Re: [PSES] Australian Power Plugs: Require Molded Approval Number?
Hi Mike, The ‘approval number’ (e.g. V100063) is a regulatory approval number so the electrical safety regulations specify where and how that must be placed on the device not eth standard called up by the regulations. Although AS/NZS 3112 is called up by the regulations it is a voluntary standard so cannot include regulatory requirements. If the device was already approved (i.e. a “Certificate of Approval” granted and an approval number issued by any Australian or NZ Electrical Regulatory Authority or appointed certifier) prior to 01 Mar 13 then yes, that approval number must be marked on the plug. Completely new electrical safety regulations/arrangements were introduced in some Australian States (at least in some States) on 01 Mar 13. As these changes do not apply in all Australian States they are rather complicated at the moment so if you need more information please contact me directly. I was planning to provide a brief update to the EMC-PSTC shortly but do not have the time right now to elaborate in this email. Hope this helps. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@stanimore.comorkevin.richard...@ieee.org URL: www.stanimore.com Confidentiality This material (this email including all attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information intended to be read or used by the addressees only. If you are not one of the intended recipients or you have received this material in error, any copying, disclosure, distribution, use of or reliance upon this material is prohibited. Please immediately notify Stanimore Pty Limited and delete/destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this email and all attachments. While the sender tries to ensure the accuracy of the information contained in this material, Stanimore take no responsibility for any actions taken as a result of receiving this material or for any consequence of its use. From: Mike Sherman - Original Message - [mailto:msherma...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, 16 July 2013 8:06 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Australian Power Plugs: Require Molded Approval Number? Power plugs for Australian/New Zealand cord-connected equipment must comply with AS/NZS 3112. QUESTION: does the approval number (e.g., V100063) need to be molded onto or otherwise marked on the plug? This is not required by clause 2.12.1 in my old, 2000 copy of AZ/NZS 3112, but it looks like the standard has been updated since 2000. Thanks! Mike Sherman Product Safety and Compliance Engineer msher...@graco.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] AS/NZS 60950.1 - Austrlian safety requirements
Amund, Peter is essentially correct except that he meant to say AS/NS 3820 instead of AS/NZS 3280. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@stanimore.comorkevin.richard...@ieee.org URL: www.stanimore.com Confidentiality This material (this email including all attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information intended to be read or used by the addressees only. If you are not one of the intended recipients or you have received this material in error, any copying, disclosure, distribution, use of or reliance upon this material is prohibited. Please immediately notify Stanimore Pty Limited and delete/destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this email and all attachments. While the sender tries to ensure the accuracy of the information contained in this material, Stanimore take no responsibility for any actions taken as a result of receiving this material or for any consequence of its use. From: Amund Westin [mailto:am...@westin-emission.no] Sent: Friday, 8 March 2013 8:33 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] AS/NZS 60950.1 - Austrlian safety requirements Is safety testing for Australian market according to AS/NZS 60950.1 mandatory, even if the product is powered with 24VDC? I have been told so .. To be more precise: The product (EUT) gets it power 24VDC/0.1A from an AC/DC (230VAC/24VDC) power supply, which is IEC60950-1 tested and approved (CB scheme). If the EUT has to be tested according to AS/NZS 60950.1, then the Australian requirements differ a lot from the LVD in Europe. Anybody who knows the Australian safety rules? .. Cheers, Amund - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] AS/NZS 60950.1 - Austrlian safety requirements
Yes indeed Peter. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@stanimore.comorkevin.richard...@ieee.org URL: www.stanimore.com Confidentiality This material (this email including all attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information intended to be read or used by the addressees only. If you are not one of the intended recipients or you have received this material in error, any copying, disclosure, distribution, use of or reliance upon this material is prohibited. Please immediately notify Stanimore Pty Limited and delete/destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this email and all attachments. While the sender tries to ensure the accuracy of the information contained in this material, Stanimore take no responsibility for any actions taken as a result of receiving this material or for any consequence of its use. From: Peter Merguerian [mailto:pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, 12 March 2013 12:33 AM To: Kevin Richardson Cc: Amund Westin; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] AS/NZS 60950.1 - Austrlian safety requirements Kevin Thanks for the correction. Too many standards to remember and no mobile app yet to facilitate the life of a traveling regulatory compliance professional. Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On Mar 11, 2013, at 12:36 AM, Kevin Richardson kevin.richard...@ieee.org wrote: Amund, Peter is essentially correct except that he meant to say AS/NS 3820 instead of AS/NZS 3280. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@stanimore.comorkevin.richard...@ieee.org URL: www.stanimore.com Confidentiality This material (this email including all attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information intended to be read or used by the addressees only. If you are not one of the intended recipients or you have received this material in error, any copying, disclosure, distribution, use of or reliance upon this material is prohibited. Please immediately notify Stanimore Pty Limited and delete/destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this email and all attachments. While the sender tries to ensure the accuracy of the information contained in this material, Stanimore take no responsibility for any actions taken as a result of receiving this material or for any consequence of its use. From: Amund Westin [mailto:am...@westin-emission.no] Sent: Friday, 8 March 2013 8:33 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] AS/NZS 60950.1 - Austrlian safety requirements Is safety testing for Australian market according to AS/NZS 60950.1 mandatory, even if the product is powered with 24VDC? I have been told so …. To be more precise: The product (EUT) gets it power 24VDC/0.1A from an AC/DC (230VAC/24VDC) power supply, which is IEC60950-1 tested and approved (CB scheme). If the EUT has to be tested according to AS/NZS 60950.1, then the Australian requirements differ a lot from the LVD in Europe. Anybody who knows the Australian safety rules? …. Cheers, Amund - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable
Re: [PSES] EuP Questions
Scott, Australia require the energy efficiency rating (i.e. IV or V) be marked on an external power supply for a couple of years now. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email: kevin.richard...@stanimore.com or kevin.richard...@ieee.org URL: www.stanimore.com Confidentiality This material (this email including all attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information intended to be read or used by the addressees only. If you are not one of the intended recipients or you have received this material in error, any copying, disclosure, distribution, use of or reliance upon this material is prohibited. Please immediately notify Stanimore Pty Limited and delete/destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this email and all attachments. While the sender tries to ensure the accuracy of the information contained in this material, Stanimore take no responsibility for any actions taken as a result of receiving this material or for any consequence of its use. -Original Message- From: Scott Douglas [mailto:sdoug...@radiusnorth.net] Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 2:23 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] EuP Questions Fellow List Persons... I think I know the answer to these two questions, but would appreciate a confirmation from the group. 1. If a A/V or ITE product in full operation consumes less than 0.5W, and the EPS that supplies this product consumes less than 0.3 W no load with efficiency above the calculated requirement, does this product need to meet EuP for CE market? Or do you claim compliance or exemption from that requirement? 2. Is there any legal requirement anywhere in the world where the energy efficiency number (Roman numerals IV or V) shall be marked on an EPS (external power supply)? Thank you in advance for any and all comments. Best, Scott Douglas - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] ARPANSA limits
Hi John, Yes it does create a whole lot of trouble. Absolutely correct. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email: kevin.richard...@stanimore.com or kevin.richard...@ieee.org URL: www.stanimore.com Confidentiality This material (this email including all attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information intended to be read or used by the addressees only. If you are not one of the intended recipients or you have received this material in error, any copying, disclosure, distribution, use of or reliance upon this material is prohibited. Please immediately notify Stanimore Pty Limited and delete/destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this email and all attachments. While the sender tries to ensure the accuracy of the information contained in this material, Stanimore take no responsibility for any actions taken as a result of receiving this material or for any consequence of its use. -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2013 6:48 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] ARPANSA limits In message 038501cdf9be$69b00c20$3d102460$@richardson, dated Thu, 24 Jan 2013, Kevin Richardson kevin.richard...@ieee.org writes: Of course there is nothing to stop anyone including an ARPANSA compliance requirement in their purchase spec for example, rightly or wrongly applying the ARPANSA standard. But it creates a lot of trouble, as we have seen here. We overcame the 'all British Standards' issue by pointing out that there were 33000 such standards and it would cost about £1 million to show compliance. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk The longer it takes to make a point, the more obtuse it proves to be. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] ARPANSA limits
Brian, Not exactly sure I understand your question but from a regulatory compliance point of view, the ARPANSA standard is indeed used as an SAR requirements standard (i.e. requirements regarding exposure to RF) under the Australian EMR (Electromagnetic Radiation) regulations. The regulations require portable intentional emitters (e.g. mobile phones etc) comply with the ARPANSA standard. CISPR 22 is an EMC standard and not used in relation to EMR (exposure to RF) requirements in Australia. Hope this helps. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email: kevin.richard...@stanimore.com or kevin.richard...@ieee.org URL: www.stanimore.com Confidentiality This material (this email including all attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information intended to be read or used by the addressees only. If you are not one of the intended recipients or you have received this material in error, any copying, disclosure, distribution, use of or reliance upon this material is prohibited. Please immediately notify Stanimore Pty Limited and delete/destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this email and all attachments. While the sender tries to ensure the accuracy of the information contained in this material, Stanimore take no responsibility for any actions taken as a result of receiving this material or for any consequence of its use. -Original Message- From: Brian Oconnell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2013 5:53 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] ARPANSA limits Looking at spec requiring compliance with Aus/NZ standard for exposure to RF from 3k to 300GHz; which seems to be another tyep of SAR. Unit is nonintentional radiator that meets CISPR22 Class B limits (tests done to 1GHz). Reasonable to use the ITE EMC report as rationale for compliance with ARPANSA? thanks, Brian - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] ARPANSA limits
John, Essentially yes but remember, I am talking from a purely regulatory compliance perspective. Of course there is nothing to stop anyone including an ARPANSA compliance requirement in their purchase spec for example, rightly or wrongly applying the ARPANSA standard. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email: kevin.richard...@stanimore.com or kevin.richard...@ieee.org URL: www.stanimore.com Confidentiality This material (this email including all attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information intended to be read or used by the addressees only. If you are not one of the intended recipients or you have received this material in error, any copying, disclosure, distribution, use of or reliance upon this material is prohibited. Please immediately notify Stanimore Pty Limited and delete/destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this email and all attachments. While the sender tries to ensure the accuracy of the information contained in this material, Stanimore take no responsibility for any actions taken as a result of receiving this material or for any consequence of its use. -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2013 9:35 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] ARPANSA limits In message 037101cdf9b6$b1ecc260$15c64720$@richardson, dated Thu, 24 Jan 2013, Kevin Richardson kevin.richard...@ieee.org writes: The regulations require portable intentional emitters (e.g. mobile phones etc) comply with the ARPANSA standard. CISPR 22 is an EMC standard and not used in relation to EMR (exposure to RF) requirements in Australia. But the OP's product is a non-intentional emitter, so in fact the spec is wrong in requiring ARPANSA compliance. It's a very common error on the part of over-enthusiastic and poorly-trained spec writers. We used to get specs requiring products to 'comply with all British Standards' - note the totally unqualified 'all'. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk The longer it takes to make a point, the more obtuse it proves to be. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] AS/NZS
Bob, Providing you know the numbers of the EMC and Radio standards you are interested in, you can use the Advanced Search utility on the SAI Global (publishes/sells Australian Standards etc) web page (http://infostore.saiglobal.com/store/). You will find the advanced search link just to the left of the shopping cart symbol. Click on the advanced search link and then in the Refine by: field select Reference Number and type in the number of the standard. There is no need to include the AS/NZS prefix or the particular part if the standard is divided into parts as all parts will be listed if you do not include a part in the number (i.e. if you input 61000 it will provide a listing of all AS/NZS 61000 standards). Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@stanimore.comorkevin.richard...@ieee.org URL: www.stanimore.com Confidentiality This material (this email including all attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information intended to be read or used by the addressees only. If you are not one of the intended recipients or you have received this material in error, any copying, disclosure, distribution, use of or reliance upon this material is prohibited. Please immediately notify Stanimore Pty Limited and delete/destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this email and all attachments. While the sender tries to ensure the accuracy of the information contained in this material, Stanimore take no responsibility for any actions taken as a result of receiving this material or for any consequence of its use. From: Robert Heller [mailto:rehel...@mmm.com] Sent: Thursday, 3 January 2013 10:07 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] AS/NZS Can someone give me a web address where I can find the latest dates/versions for the the Australian/New Zealand EMC and Radio standards? Thanks, Bob Heller 3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651-778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] EN 60950-1 INaccessible parts
Hi Gert, Remember that clause 5.3.4 deals with 'functional insulation' only. It talks about the insulation between a SECONDARY CIRCUIT and an 'inaccessible' conductive part that is earthed for functional reasons. There needs to be some insulation where the inaccessible conductive part is earthed. If this were an earthed 'accessible' conductive part it certainly cannot be just 'functional' insulation between it and a SECONDARY CIRCUIT. In terms of 5.3.4 c), as I understand it, clause 5.3.4 gives you a choice of how to meet the functional insulation requirement, i.e. either a) or b) or c). Option c) can be chosen if it is likely that if by short-circuiting the SECONDARY CIRCUIT to an inaccessible conductive part either overheating or thermal damage may occur as per the two dot points in 5.3.4 c), then you can choose option c). If you so choose option c) then clause 5.3.9 details the criteria to determine compliance with 5.3.4 c). Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@stanimore.comorkevin.richard...@ieee.org URL: www.stanimore.com Confidentiality This material (this email including all attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information intended to be read or used by the addressees only. If you are not one of the intended recipients or you have received this material in error, any copying, disclosure, distribution, use of or reliance upon this material is prohibited. Please immediately notify Stanimore Pty Limited and delete/destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this email and all attachments. While the sender tries to ensure the accuracy of the information contained in this material, Stanimore take no responsibility for any actions taken as a result of receiving this material or for any consequence of its use. From: ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen [mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl] Sent: Thursday, 31 May 2012 5:43 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] EN 60950-1 INaccessible parts Anyone aware of what seems as a typo to me in EN 60950-1:2006 in par 5.3.4 it say that clearance and creepage distances for functional isolation must be respected for INaccessible parts . Whats the sense of guarding the isolation to not accessible parts At the same time, anyone understands what means 5.3.4c they are short-circuited when a short circuit could cause.. well, that seems evident, sounds like green grass to me: a pleonasm thus. Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen, BSc mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl g.grem...@cetest.nl www.cetest.nl - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] SAA certification required to ship Australia?
Hello Robert, 1. Yes the EESS only covers household type equipment. In-scope equipment is defined as follows. All new electrical equipment with a rated voltage of: a) greater than 50V AC RMS or 120V ripple-free DC; and b) less than 1000V AC RMS or 1500V ripple-free DC, that is designed, or marketed as suitable for household, personal or similar use. 2. It is correct suppliers currently registered on the ACMA database have 3 years from the commencement date (scheduled for 01 Jul 12) to register on the EESS database BUT they also have 3 years from the commencement date to move to the RCM on their product. Product already labelled with the A-Tick or C-Tick and sitting in stock will be allowed to be supplied but obviously the supplier will need to be able to demonstrate the equipment was indeed in stock prior to the close of (i.e. scheduled for 30 Jun 15). This means that any product that has the label applied after 30 Jun 15 cannot be supplied. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@stanimore.comorkevin.richard...@ieee.org URL: www.stanimore.com Confidentiality This material (this email including all attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information intended to be read or used by the addressees only. If you are not one of the intended recipients or you have received this material in error, any copying, disclosure, distribution, use of or reliance upon this material is prohibited. Please immediately notify Stanimore Pty Limited and delete/destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this email and all attachments. While the sender tries to ensure the accuracy of the information contained in this material, Stanimore take no responsibility for any actions taken as a result of receiving this material or for any consequence of its use. From: rehel...@mmm.com [mailto:rehel...@mmm.com] Sent: Monday, 19 March 2012 11:20 PM To: Kevin Richardson Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] SAA certification required to ship Australia? Kevin, two questions: 1. What is the scope of the EESS? Does it only cover household equipment? 2. Current Suppliers (those already on ACMA's supplier ID database) have 3 years to register on the EESS database but starting on 1 July 2012 all products entering Australia must have the single RCM mark, right? Bob Heller 3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651-778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 = From:Kevin Richardson kevin.richard...@ieee.org To:'Christopher' cksal...@yahoo.com, EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Date:03/15/2012 06:24 PM Subject:RE: [PSES] SAA certification required to ship Australia? Sent by:emc-p...@ieee.org _ Hi Christopher, As Brian O'Connell said, SAA Certification is not a regulatory requirement. The external power supply, as Ron Pickard said, would need: .An electrical safety Certificate of Approval; .To comply with EMC regulations; and .To comply Australian MEPS requirements and be registered on the MEPS database. The WiFi device would need to comply with both radiocommunications regulations applicable to any radio device supplied to the market, i.e. the Australian Radiocommunications Labelling Notice (RLN), plus radio licensing requirements. Providing this is a stand-alone WiFi device (i.e. its sole purpose in life is to transmit and receive WiFi) then EMC regulations would not apply. If it has other capability as well it would be required to comply while the transmitter is in idle mode. If this is a 'portable/mobile' device, then Australian EMR regulations would also apply. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email: mailto:kevin.richard...@stanimore.com kevin.richard...@stanimore.comor mailto:kevin.richard...@ieee.org kevin.richard...@ieee.org URL: http://www.stanimore.com/ www.stanimore.com Confidentiality This material (this email including all attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information intended to be read or used by the addressees only. If you are not one of the intended recipients or you have received this material in error, any copying, disclosure, distribution, use of or reliance upon this material is prohibited. Please immediately notify Stanimore Pty Limited and delete/destroy all
Re: [PSES] SAA certification required to ship Australia?
Hi Ron, This is where the confusion is introduced that I mentioned earlier. You must be mindful of the fact that the 2 schemes (EESS and ACMA compliance) are entirely separate. It is simply that the ACMA has negotiated using the same database for the registration of suppliers of product captured by the ACMA plus the new compliance mark to indicate compliance with ACMA regulations will now also be the RCM. The scope of equipment captured by the ACMA regulations has not changed, i.e. the ACMA EMC regulations still capture residential, commercial (non-residential) and industrial equipment as well as battery operated equipment etc. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@stanimore.comorkevin.richard...@ieee.org URL: www.stanimore.com Confidentiality This material (this email including all attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information intended to be read or used by the addressees only. If you are not one of the intended recipients or you have received this material in error, any copying, disclosure, distribution, use of or reliance upon this material is prohibited. Please immediately notify Stanimore Pty Limited and delete/destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this email and all attachments. While the sender tries to ensure the accuracy of the information contained in this material, Stanimore take no responsibility for any actions taken as a result of receiving this material or for any consequence of its use. From: Ron Pickard [mailto:rpick...@equinoxpayments.com] Sent: Tuesday, 20 March 2012 9:11 AM To: Kevin Richardson Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] SAA certification required to ship Australia? Hi Kevin, Please confirm that this new scheme applies only to household type equipment that is designed, or marketed as suitable for household, personal or similar use. If that is the case, what consideration has the ACMA given to non-household type equipment that is only marketed B2B? If so, does the new EESS requirements apply to B2B products, or not? Would then the ACMA marking requirements still only apply to non-household products without EESS concern? Please advise. I look forward to your reply. Best regards, Ron (Please note my new email address, rpick...@equinoxpayments.com) From: Kevin Richardson [mailto:kevin.richard...@ieee.org] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 2:30 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] SAA certification required to ship Australia? Hello Robert, 1. Yes the EESS only covers household type equipment. In-scope equipment is defined as follows. All new electrical equipment with a rated voltage of: a) greater than 50V AC RMS or 120V ripple-free DC; and b) less than 1000V AC RMS or 1500V ripple-free DC, that is designed, or marketed as suitable for household, personal or similar use. 2. It is correct suppliers currently registered on the ACMA database have 3 years from the commencement date (scheduled for 01 Jul 12) to register on the EESS database BUT they also have 3 years from the commencement date to move to the RCM on their product. Product already labelled with the A-Tick or C-Tick and sitting in stock will be allowed to be supplied but obviously the supplier will need to be able to demonstrate the equipment was indeed in stock prior to the close of (i.e. scheduled for 30 Jun 15). This means that any product that has the label applied after 30 Jun 15 cannot be supplied. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@stanimore.comorkevin.richard...@ieee.org URL: www.stanimore.com Confidentiality This material (this email including all attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information intended to be read or used by the addressees only. If you are not one of the intended recipients or you have received this material in error, any copying, disclosure, distribution, use of or reliance upon this material is prohibited. Please immediately notify Stanimore Pty Limited and delete/destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this email and all attachments. While the sender tries to ensure the accuracy of the information contained in this material, Stanimore take no responsibility for any actions taken as a result of receiving this material or for any consequence of its use. From
Re: [PSES] SAA certification required to ship Australia?
Hi Christopher, As Brian O'Connell said, SAA Certification is not a regulatory requirement. The external power supply, as Ron Pickard said, would need: .An electrical safety Certificate of Approval; .To comply with EMC regulations; and .To comply Australian MEPS requirements and be registered on the MEPS database. The WiFi device would need to comply with both radiocommunications regulations applicable to any radio device supplied to the market, i.e. the Australian Radiocommunications Labelling Notice (RLN), plus radio licensing requirements. Providing this is a stand-alone WiFi device (i.e. its sole purpose in life is to transmit and receive WiFi) then EMC regulations would not apply. If it has other capability as well it would be required to comply while the transmitter is in idle mode. If this is a 'portable/mobile' device, then Australian EMR regulations would also apply. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@stanimore.comorkevin.richard...@ieee.org URL: www.stanimore.com Confidentiality This material (this email including all attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information intended to be read or used by the addressees only. If you are not one of the intended recipients or you have received this material in error, any copying, disclosure, distribution, use of or reliance upon this material is prohibited. Please immediately notify Stanimore Pty Limited and delete/destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this email and all attachments. While the sender tries to ensure the accuracy of the information contained in this material, Stanimore take no responsibility for any actions taken as a result of receiving this material or for any consequence of its use. From: Christopher [mailto:cksal...@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, 16 March 2012 4:47 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] SAA certification required to ship Australia? Folks, Does a 802.11 wifi product require a SAA certification to ship our products to Australia or New Zealand? We do not manufacturer the 12Vdc wall mount adapter. Thanks in advance for any help. Christopher - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] ACMA labelling arrangement change announcement
Hi Ron and all that have replied regarding this subject, I received an error message saying my first email did not get through for some reason so sent again. The new arrangements are extremely complex, mainly because there are actually two sets of regulatory arrangements/frameworks that are changing. The ACMA move to a single mark will be timed to coincide with the introduction of the new Electrical Equipment Safety System (EESS) arrangements, which in itself has enormous impact on the supply of electrical product on the Australia. New Zealand will be party to the new EESS arrangements and as such, they will adopt those also but it is not know exactly when at this stage. To try to answer the questions raised in all the emails, I offer the following information, as I understand it, at this time: 1. It should be noted that the single mark will be the resent Regulatory Compliance Mark (RCM) which is at present accepted as an alternative to the C-Tick in relation to EMC, EMR and radcoms compliance; 2. It is correct that the ACMA move to a single mark will be timed to coincide with the introduction of the new Electrical Equipment Safety System (EESS) arrangements, which in itself has enormous impact; 3. The database will be established for the EESS however, will also be utilised for ACMA regulatory compliance; 4. The commencement date for the EESS and hence for the ACMA move to the single mark, is at this time set for 01 July 2012 but that may slip a bit; 5. The database should become active on 01 July 2012 but it is not understood if that may slip also if the commencement date slips; 6. Brian was correct when he said ”Have interpreted the announcement that current products that have a representative and bear the 'c-tick' mark will not have to be registered and bear RCM until June 2015”; 7. The ACMA Supplier Code Number (SCN) can only be issued to a Australia resident or an Australian registered business, however, with the introduction of the single mark, no supplier ID will be required; 8. Under the present ACMA requirements, only an Australia resident or an Australian registered business may apply for and be issued with an Australian SCN. NZ residents of a NZ registered business can apply to the NZ Ministry for Economic Development and be issued with an NZ SCN. The C-Tick compliance mark along with an Australian of NZ SCN was accepted in either country. NOTE: NZ are also going to be adopting the new EESS arrangements and also will be moving to accept the single mark in NZ also; 9. To answer Nick’s specific question, this will still not result in FULL harmonisation between Australia and NZ. There are some areas of the frequency spectrum which are still different between the two countries and as such, eh requirements for some types of radio transmitters have not yet been harmonised between the two countries and these changes will not address those differences. In addition, as Ron mentioned, NZ have a totally different approach to telecoms compliance, i.e. NZ have not regulated requirements for connection to the public networks; 10. It must be an Australian resident or an Australian registered business supplier who registers on the database. They must register as a ‘supplier’ in relation to both ACMA regulations compliance as well as EESS arrangements if applicable. They are also required to register any EESS Level 2 or Level 3 type products. These registrations must be renewed each year. There is still be no charge to register or to renew the registration as a supplier in terms of ACMA requirements; 11. Ron, sorry to have to advise that the ACMA will not transfer any existing C-Tick or A-Tick registered companies to the new database. EVERY supplier of existing product will have 3 years from the commencement date to register in terms of ACMA requirements. Any supply not currently registered to use the C-Tick or A-Tick naturally must register prior to supplying any product; 12. As the ACMA announcement says, these new arrangements do not alter in any way the present technical or administrative requirements other than changing the mark to use (i.e. the existing Labelling Notices will be unchanged except to change the labelling mark. Hope this helps. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@stanimore.comorkevin.richard...@ieee.org URL: www.stanimore.com Confidentiality This material (this email including all attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information intended to be read or used by the addressees only. If you are not one of the intended
Re: [PSES] ACMA labelling arrangement change announcement
Hi Ron, Just to clarify, as the announcement says, this is related to labelling and does not mean any changes to technical requirements. All importers of overseas product however, will now also have to “register” on a national database., even if they already have been issued with an ACMA Supplier Code Number. The timing of the commencement of these new arrangements are to coincide with the commencements of completely new electrical safety arrangements in Australia and New Zealand, the EESS arrangements. These will have very significant impact, again, not so much on the technical requirements but on the processes imposed on the suppliers of product into Australia or New Zealand. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@stanimore.comorkevin.richard...@ieee.org URL: www.stanimore.com Confidentiality This material (this email including all attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information intended to be read or used by the addressees only. If you are not one of the intended recipients or you have received this material in error, any copying, disclosure, distribution, use of or reliance upon this material is prohibited. Please immediately notify Stanimore Pty Limited and delete/destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this email and all attachments. While the sender tries to ensure the accuracy of the information contained in this material, Stanimore take no responsibility for any actions taken as a result of receiving this material or for any consequence of its use. From: Ron Pickard [mailto:rpick...@equinoxpayments.com] Sent: Wednesday, 7 March 2012 6:20 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] ACMA labelling arrangement change announcement To those that deal with Australian requirements, here’s an ACMA announcement that will be of interest. Please note that this will obviously affect all 3 labeling notices. Best regards, Ron -Original message- From: Technical Regulation Development Section single.m...@acma.gov.au Sent: Mon, Mar 5, 2012 03:16:10 GMT+00:00 Subject: Upcoming changes to the ACMA labelling arrangements _ Australian Communications and Media Authority http://www.acma.gov.au/WEBWR/staticassets/images/acma_logo.gif Compliance and Labelling Arrangements updates http://165.191.2.21/WEBWR/staticassets/images/backgrounds/mr_images/CLA_updates.gif Announcement Notice of upcoming changes to the ACMA labelling arrangements (RCM) The ACMA is consolidating the three existing compliance marks (C-Tick, A-Tick and RCM) into a single compliance mark—the RCM. This will indicate a device's compliance with all applicable ACMA regulatory arrangements—that is, for telecommunications, radiocommunications, EMC and EME—and with applicable State and Territory electrical equipment safety requirements. The C-Tick and A-Tick compliance marks are to be phased out. A new database will be established for all supplier registration and the supplier identification requirements removed from the labelling notices. The changes are currently proposed to start on 1 July 2012 to align with the proposed commencement date for the Electrical Regulatory Authorities Council (ERAC) Electrical Equipment Safety System (EESS). The commencement of the new ACMA arrangements may be postponed if there is a delay in the commencement of the EESS. The current ACMA labelling arrangements apply until the commencement date. From 1 July 2012, the new arrangements will only apply to new suppliers—those not registered on the ACMA supplier database. From 1 July 2015, the arrangements will apply to all suppliers. Further information is available on the ACMA website www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD/pc=PC_410297 https://promo-manager.server-secure.com/ch/1115/rvdjm7/482738/58e36gb0k.html . This email was sent by Technical Regulation Development Section, We welcome your comments and questions. Email us at single.m...@acma.gov.au., - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html
RE: Australia C-Tick and safety requirements
Ron, I absolutely support your recommendation to include a safety test report in an EMC Compliance Folder anyway. That is my recommendation to anyone also. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@stanimore.comorkevin.richard...@ieee.org URL: www.stanimore.com Confidentiality This material (this email including all attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information intended to be read or used by the addressees only. If you are not one of the intended recipients, any copying, disclosure, distribution, use of or reliance upon this material is prohibited. If you receive this material in error, please immediately notify Stanimore Pty Limited and delete/destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this email and all attachments. While the sender tries to ensure the accuracy of the information contained in this material, Stanimore take no responsibility for any actions taken as a result of receiving this material or for any consequence of its use. -Original Message- From: Pickard, Ron [mailto:ron.pick...@intermec.com] Sent: Tuesday, 24 February 2009 9:38 AM To: kevin.richard...@ieee.org Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: Australia C-Tick and safety requirements Hi Kevin, Thank you for your detailed and informative reply. Please note that I agree with you completely about the EMC Handbook. Although it gives some good guidance and useful information, it is still a handbook after all. And, although C-tick compliance folders are not required to contain a safety report, I believe it’s a good idea to include one anyway, but that’s a preference and not a requirement. Dan, I hope you can now answer your friend’s questions. Best regards, Ron Pickard ron.pick...@intermec.com mailto:ron.pick...@intermec.com From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Richardson Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:07 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: Australia C-Tick and safety requirements All, A couple of clarifications may be helpful. EMC Requirements Australian EMC regulations do not include any 'product safety' requirements. As such, the Compliance Folder for EMC should include: * a DoC declaring compliance with currently acceptable versions of AS/NZS CISPR 22 or CISPR 22 or EN 55022; and * a test report from a reputable test lab confirming compliance with the same standard; and * the usual product information required to uniquely identify the device This is all that is required in terms of EMC. NOTE: Just a warning that EMC Handbook as mentioned by Ron should not be used as the definitive last word on compliance. While the EMC handbook si helpful in describing the requirements in everyday language, it is not the actual instrument of regulation and as such may not necessarily accurately reflect the requirements at any given time and may well lag behind in describing changes made to the regulations. To be absolutely sure you are dealing with the current requirements you should always refer to the regulatory instrument itself, i.e. the Radiocommunications Labelling (Electromagnetic Compatibility) Notice 2008 (commonly referred to as the EMC Labelling Notice). This can be found at: http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD/pc=PC_310703 http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD/pc=PC_310703 The actual regulatory instrument is kept at a different government website however, it is easier to start from the above link on the ACMA website. Safety Requirements In terms of electrical safety, if I understand correctly this in-line filter device is a stand-alone device that includes a plug to plug into the mains and also a connector for the PC mains plug to plug into and it incorporates overvoltage and line filtering components. If this is the case, then sounds like this device, most likely, would be classified as a Control or Conditioning Device under Australian Electrical Regulations and is therefore a 'Declared/Prescribed Article' and requires formal approval by an Australian Electrical Authority. Although some of this has been mentioned before, every device that connects to the mains supply in Australia is captured by the Electrical
RE: C-Tick mark on spares?
Jim, I would agree with Peter's advice. Item 7 is the relevant exemption (under Schedule 2 of the EMC Labelling Notice) providing, as Peter say, it is only supplied as a spare part for the original equipment. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email: kevin.richard...@stanimore.com URL: www.stanimore.com This material (this message and the information contained in all attachments to this message) is confidential and/or privileged information and is intended only for the addressee/s named above. Any unauthorised dissemination, copying, use of or reliance upon this material by persons or entities other than the addressee/s named above is prohibited. If you receive this material in error, please notify Stanimore Pty Limited and destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this message and all attachments immediately. -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Knighten, Jim L Sent: Friday, 16 January 2009 11:11 AM To: pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: C-Tick mark on spares? Peter, Excellent! Thanks. Jim __ James L. Knighten, Ph.D. EMC Engineer Teradata Corporation 17095 Via Del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-2537 – phone 858-485-3788 – fax (unattended) From: peter merguerian [mailto:pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 3:53 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org; Knighten, Jim L Subject: Re: C-Tick mark on spares? Jim, Below is part of the exemptions from the new labelling notice. 7 A spare part that has: (a) identical specifications to the device it is to replace; or (b) the same radiofrequency emission characteristics as that device 8 A component, except a component that is an assembly of components that forms part of a finished device 9 A device that is for incorporation into another device and is not to be supplied to an end-user. From these exemptions I would say that the chassis that is a replacement does not need its own C-Tick as long as it not sold as a separate product. Please let me know if I can help you further with Australian and/or New Zealand or other dcountry regulations. You can e-mail me direct at my TUV Rheinland address pmerguer...@us.tuv.com or call me at (925) 249-9123 Extension 134 Thanks, Peter --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Knighten, Jim L jim.knigh...@teradata.com wrote: From: Knighten, Jim L jim.knigh...@teradata.com Subject: C-Tick mark on spares? To: emc-p...@ieee.org Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 10:09 AM I have a question about the c-tick mark for Australia and New Zealand. My company’s hardware products are typically racks of IT equipment that are largely integrations of other companies’ products, i.e., servers, switches, storage, UPS, etc. We test and apply the c-tick mark on our products on the product label on our rack. Some of our individual chassis have a c-tick mark and some do not (either the chassis manufacturer does not apply for c-tick, or it is a chassis that we make that is only sold as a component in the overall product). Regarding spares: If we ship spare chassis as a replacement into a c-tick country, does that chassis need its own c-tick mark? Or, is having a c-tick mark on the larger product that encompasses the chassis sufficient? I appreciate your collective wisdom and experience. Jim __ James L. Knighten, Ph.D. EMC Engineer Teradata Corporation 17095 Via Del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-2537 – phone 858-485-3788 – fax (unattended) - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
RE: Flicker Requirements of 61000-3-3
John, Thank you for your reply and advice. I did indeed raise the issue about potential for flicker induced health issues with the client. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@stanimore.comorkevin.richard...@ieee.org URL: www.stanimore.com Confidentiality This material (this email including all attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information intended to be read or used by the addressees only. If you are not one of the intended recipients, any copying, disclosure, distribution, use of or reliance upon this material is prohibited. If you receive this material in error, please immediately notify Stanimore Pty Limited and delete/destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this email and all attachments. While the sender tries to ensure the accuracy of the information contained in this material, Stanimore take no responsibility for any actions taken as a result of receiving this material or for any consequence of its use. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Monday, 24 November 2008 7:26 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: Flicker Requirements of 61000-3-3 In message nebbihdflagbliikmlbkmeddjhaa.kevin.richard...@ieee.org, dated Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Kevin Richardson kevin.richard...@ieee.org writes: I have a client who has a 4 channel, professional lighting dimmer device, designed to be used for small stage productions (schools etc). The device is failing 61000-3-3 flicker requirements. This device is designed to switch the lighting outputs on and off at high rates - potentially 7 times per second, and the result naturally is a poor result in the flicker tests. The user is in direct control of the switching rate and therefore the potential resulting flicker detected on the mains. I am surprised that such a facility is offered, due to the risk of inducing seizure in persons with photo-triggered epilepsy. This would be particularly unwise in a product for use in schools. For example, a student might not have previously been diagnosed with the condition. As I understand it, 61000-3-11 also includes requirements for conditional connection devices and that devices that can not comply with 61000-3-3 can be covered under 61000-3-11 as a conditional connection device. My questions: * Am I correct in assuming that this device would need to comply with the conditional connection requirements of 61000-3-11? Yes. * Can anyone give me a rough idea of the conditional connection restrictions/requirements? A rough idea, yes, but you need to read the standard. You have to specify the maximum supply impedance that allows the flicker requirements to be met. This is bound to be lower than the 'standard' impedance specified in IEC/EN 61000-3-3. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk Either we are causing global warming, in which case we may be able to stop it, or natural variation is causing it, and we probably can't stop it. You choose! John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Flicker Requirements of 61000-3-3
Calling experts on IEC or EN 61000-3-3 61000-3-11, I have a client who has a 4 channel, professional lighting dimmer device, designed to be used for small stage productions (schools etc). The device is failing 61000-3-3 flicker requirements. This device is designed to switch the lighting outputs on and off at high rates - potentially 7 times per second, and the result naturally is a poor result in the flicker tests. The user is in direct control of the switching rate and therefore the potential resulting flicker detected on the mains. As I understand it, 61000-3-11 also includes requirements for conditional connection devices and that devices that can not comply with 61000-3-3 can be covered under 61000-3-11 as a conditional connection device. My questions: * Am I correct in assuming that this device would need to comply with the conditional connection requirements of 61000-3-11? * Can anyone give me a rough idea of the conditional connection restrictions/requirements? All input gratefully received. Thank you. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@stanimore.comorkevin.richard...@ieee.org URL: www.stanimore.com Confidentiality This material (this email including all attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information intended to be read or used by the addressees only. If you are not one of the intended recipients, any copying, disclosure, distribution, use of or reliance upon this material is prohibited. If you receive this material in error, please immediately notify Stanimore Pty Limited and delete/destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this email and all attachments. While the sender tries to ensure the accuracy of the information contained in this material, Stanimore take no responsibility for any actions taken as a result of receiving this material or for any consequence of its use. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
RE: MEPS requirements for Australia/New Zealand
Others have already provided you with links to the Australian government sites providing all the information you should need so I will not add to that. I would however, just draw your attention to the statement in the 'Fact Sheet' (i.e. www.energyrating.gov.au/library/pubs/2008-factsheet-eps.pdf http://www.energyrating.gov.au/library/pubs/2008-factsheet-eps.pdf ) concerning proposed amendments to AS/NZS 4665 Parts 1 2 which the Fact Sheet states are currently in the approval process (see in particular the statement at the bottom of page 2 of the Fact Sheet). These amendments, as described on pages 3 4 of the Fact Sheet, are not actually in the 'approval process' really. They are actually still to be balloted by the relevant Australian standards committee however, the information provided concerning what these amendments are likely to ultimately contain probably will not change too much before they are accepted. The background and reason for these amendments can be found at http://www.energyrating.gov.au/pubs/2008-meps-eps-update.pdf http://www.energyrating.gov.au/pubs/2008-meps-eps-update.pdf . You may have already seen this information however, as a link to it was provided in one of the URLs already provided to you in an earlier reply (i.e. http://www.energyrating.gov.au/eps2.html http://www.energyrating.gov.au/eps2.html ). Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@stanimore.comorkevin.richard...@ieee.org URL: www.stanimore.com Confidentiality This material (this email including all attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information intended to be read or used by the addressees only. If you are not one of the intended recipients, any copying, disclosure, distribution, use of or reliance upon this material is prohibited. If you receive this material in error, please immediately notify Stanimore Pty Limited and delete/destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this email and all attachments. While the sender tries to ensure the accuracy of the information contained in this material, Stanimore take no responsibility for any actions taken as a result of receiving this material or for any consequence of its use. -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Denis Ryskamp Sent: Wednesday, 19 November 2008 12:58 AM To: Barry Esmore; Anders Svensson B; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: MEPS requirements for Australia/New Zealand Yes the MEPS information does provide a guide to what is in scope. http://www.energyrating.gov.au/eps2.html A single output external power supply which is covered by MEPS is defined as a unit which: 1. has an input from mains supply (usually 110 V, 60 Hz; 230 V, 50 Hz; 240 V, 50 Hz or a range including some or all of these input conditions); and 2. has one ELV output (either a.c. or d.c.) that is either at a fixed voltage or user selectable through a selector switch; and 3. is sold with, or intended to be used with, a separate end-use product that constitutes the primary load; and 4. is contained in a separate physical enclosure from the end-use product (i.e. the housings of the power supply and its associated product are different, not their retail packaging); and 5. is connected to the end use product via a hard-wired or removable male/female electrical connection, cable, cord or other wiring; and 6. does not have batteries or battery packs that physically attach directly to the power supply unit (including those that are removable e.g. a battery pack for a portable electric drill); and 7. does not have a battery chemistry or type selector switch and an indicator light or state of charge meter. Regards, Denis Ryskamp Environmental Compliance Manager Trimble Dayton 5475 Kellenburger Road Dayton, Ohio 45424 *: 01-937-245-5539 *: denis_rysk...@trimble.com From: Barry Esmore [mailto:bar...@melbpc.org.au] Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 5:43 PM To: Denis Ryskamp; Anders Svensson B; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: MEPS requirements for Australia/New Zealand My understanding is that some power supply battery chargers are exempt and power supplies with multiple outputs are also exempt. Regards Barry Esmore AUS-TICK 281 Lawrence Rd
RE: Compliance of 3G Equipment
I sent this on Monday but I do not think it got through to the group. To Grace, and others who have replied, Thank you. Your input is very much appreciated. I did want a sanity check on my understanding of the regulatory requirements and from the replies it seems I got those pretty much right. I also wanted to understand how the network operator requirements fitted into the equation and to what extent and when they were required. If I now understand the situation network operator requirements correctly, for the USA/Canada at least, as with other types of devices, network operators heavily subsidise 3G devices they are supplying. Before supplying any devices, the network operator requires those device be PTCRB certified and the network operator may possibly also apply additional requirements of their own. Where a device is purchased independently (i.e. the device is not supplied by a network operator), all that is required before purchasing a SIM and connecting to an operator's network is to comply with the regulatory requirements (i.e. FCC certification in the USA or IC certification in Canada). As such, while it makes commercial sense for any vendor to 'partner' with a network operator to supply their 3G device there is nothing stopping you connecting a device that is not PTCRB certified. I believe the situation in Europe to be similar. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@stanimore.comorkevin.richard...@ieee.org URL: www.stanimore.com Confidentiality This material (this email including all attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information intended to be read or used by the addressees only. If you are not one of the intended recipients, any copying, disclosure, distribution, use of or reliance upon this material is prohibited. If you receive this material in error, please immediately notify Stanimore Pty Limited and delete/destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this email and all attachments. While the sender tries to ensure the accuracy of the information contained in this material, Stanimore take no responsibility for any actions taken as a result of receiving this material or for any consequence of its use. -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Grace Lin Sent: Friday, 17 October 2008 10:09 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: Compliance of 3G Equipment Kevin, If you need answers from the authorities, for FCC, you can submit an inquiry through the FCC OET web site at https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/kdb/index.cfm. Click the Submit an Inquiry under the Site Options on the left. I submitted one inquiry last Monday around noon and received a response early Tuesday morning. For Industry Canada, the email address for an inquiry is certification.bur...@ic.gc.ca. You may receive a response within two days. For EU, I depend on the experts from this group. Regards, Grace On 10/16/08, Kevin Richardson kevin.richard...@ieee.org wrote: To all the very knowledgeable people who are members of this newsgroup, I would greatly appreciate it if anyone could please confirm for me if I have correctly identified below the requirements for 3G devices in Europe and the USA/Canada, in terms of telecommunications compliance (i.e. not worrying about EMC, safety etc for the moment)? As I understand it, from a telecommunications point of view, if I am a 3G device vendor and wish to market/sell my products in Europe and the USA/Canada, I need to comply with the legal/regulatory requirements such as RTTE in Europe (as well as the LVD, EMC and other Directives of course) and in the USA Canada gain certifications from the FCC and Industry Canada respectfully. That is it. In addition to meeting the regulations however, although not a regulatory requirement, I understand I also need to get GCF certification in Europe or PTCRB certification for USA and Canada before any 3G network operator would authorize my 3G device to be connected to their network. Is this correct? The reason I ask is that in Australia, our present telecommunications regulations require a written 'permission to connect
Compliance of 3G Equipment
To all the very knowledgeable people who are members of this newsgroup, I would greatly appreciate it if anyone could please confirm for me if I have correctly identified below the requirements for 3G devices in Europe and the USA/Canada, in terms of telecommunications compliance (i.e. not worrying about EMC, safety etc for the moment)? As I understand it, from a telecommunications point of view, if I am a 3G device vendor and wish to market/sell my products in Europe and the USA/Canada, I need to comply with the legal/regulatory requirements such as RTTE in Europe (as well as the LVD, EMC and other Directives of course) and in the USA Canada gain certifications from the FCC and Industry Canada respectfully. That is it. In addition to meeting the regulations however, although not a regulatory requirement, I understand I also need to get GCF certification in Europe or PTCRB certification for USA and Canada before any 3G network operator would authorize my 3G device to be connected to their network. Is this correct? The reason I ask is that in Australia, our present telecommunications regulations require a written 'permission to connect' be issued by every 3G network operator (operating a 3G network of device compatible frequencies) before a Declaration of Conformity (DoC) can be signed and the device labelled with the A-Tick. The approach is now becoming unworkable, for fairly obvious reasons. There is no incentive for network operators to expend the time and resource to evaluate a device they may have no interest in commercially. I would like Australia to align with international best practice and would like a detailed understanding of 3G requirements, both regulatory and other, worldwide so would greatly appreciate any input. Thank you in advance. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@stanimore.comorkevin.richard...@ieee.org URL: www.stanimore.com Confidentiality This material (this email including all attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information intended to be read or used by the addressees only. If you are not one of the intended recipients, any copying, disclosure, distribution, use of or reliance upon this material is prohibited. If you receive this material in error, please immediately notify Stanimore Pty Limited and delete/destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this email and all attachments. While the sender tries to ensure the accuracy of the information contained in this material, Stanimore take no responsibility for any actions taken as a result of receiving this material or for any consequence of its use. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: C-tick approvals
Michael, Under Australian product compliance legislation/regulations anyone importing a product into Australia is responsible for the compliance of that device with all applicable compliance regulations. As such, if you do not have a local office then each and every importer of your product is responsible for the compliance of the product they import and supply into the Australian market. Australian product compliance regulations allow an importer to appoint an Agent, by way of written agreement, to assume responsibility for compliance. this is the only alternative. There is no recognition under the Australian regulations of any relationship/agreement of any one in Australia with the overseas supplier. For more information on arrangements concerning Agents you may wish to review the information at www.stanimore.com/agent.htm Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@stanimore.comorkevin.richard...@ieee.org URL: www.stanimore.com This material (this message and the information contained in all attachments to this message) is confidential and/or privileged information and is intended only for the addressee/s named above. Any unauthorised dissemination, copying, use of or reliance upon this material by persons or entities other than the addressee/s named above is prohibited. If you receive this material in error, please notify Stanimore Pty Limited and destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this message and all attachments immediately. -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Michael Garretson Sent: Tuesday, 8 July 2008 8:18 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: C-tick approvals Greetings listmembers, I have a request to obtain C-Tick approvals for a computer platform we manufacture. I have been told that we need to have in-country representation in order to secure and maintain this approval. We don’t currently have offices there and don’t intend to work with a distributor. Our sales will be directly to a multinational company who will deploy and support it. If my customer isn’t keen on owning the cert, what are my options? Michael Garretson Compliance Engineer Work: +1 503 615-1515 Fax: +1 503 615-1285 Email: michael.garret...@radisys.com mailto:michael.garret...@radisys.com RadiSys Corporation 5445 NW Dawson Creek Dr http://maps.google.com/maps?q=5445+NW+ awson+Creek+Dr%2CHillsboro%2COR+97124%2CUSAhl=en Hillsboro, OR 97124 USA See who we know in common http://www.linkedin.com/e/wwk/10327925/ Want a signature like this? http://www.linkedin.com/e/sig/10327925/ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Australian/NZ Mains Plug with Insulated Pins Mandatory from 3 Apr 05
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Hi Scott, I believe most of the large cordset suppliers can supply. See attached for USA suppliers. Also see attached for details about how pins are insulated and still conduct etc. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email: kevin.richard...@stanimore.com URL: www.stanimore.com This material (this message and the information contained in all attachments to this message) is confidential and/or privileged information and is intended only for the addressee/s named above. Any unauthorised dissemination, copying, use of or reliance upon this material by persons or entities other than the addressee/s named above is prohibited. If you receive this material in error, please notify Stanimore Pty Limited and destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this message and all attachments immediately. From: Scott Douglas [mailto:sdoug...@ptcnh.net] Sent: Friday, 21 January 2005 11:31 AM To: kevin.richard...@ieee.org Cc: EMC-PSTC Subject: Re: Australian/NZ Mains Plug with Insulated Pins Mandatory from 3 Apr 05 Kevin, Can you tell us more? Are there any vendors that make such plugs (example?). Can you describe how to insulate the live pins and still have them conduct electricity? Got me curious. Best Regards, Scott Douglas sdoug...@ptcnh.net Kevin Richardson wrote: I thought this information may be of interest to the group. As of 3 April 2005 all mains powered (230/240V) equipment (both existing and newly introduced equipment), sold in Australia and New Zealand must have insulated live pins on the mains plug and comply with the requirements of AS/NZS 3112:2000/Amdt 2 Appendix J. snip snip This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Mcantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc ---BeginMessage--- Thanks for the heads-up, gentlemen. You sure made my morning ... interesting. For what it's worth, the major US line cord suppliers (Interpower and International Configurations) have already changed over to the insulated cordsets, as a phase-in. When we order the old number, we get the new style. See ya. Mike Mertinooke From: Kevin Richardson [mailto:kevin.richard...@ieee.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 4:39 AM To: Barry Esmore; EMC-PSTC Subject: RE: Australian/NZ Mains Plug with Insulated Pins Mandatory from 3 Apr 05 Barry, My understanding is similar to yours however I believe Tasmania will eventually give in to pressure. In addition, for NSW, they are proposing to allow the relaxation also and the issue is presently with the legislative drafting people. I am unsure about South Australia and the Northern Territory. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email: kevin.richard...@stanimore.com URL: www.stanimore.com This material (this message and the information contained in all attachments to this message) is confidential and/or privileged information and is intended only for the addressee/s named above. Any unauthorised dissemination, copying, use of or reliance upon this material by persons or entities other than the addressee/s named above is prohibited. If you receive this material in error, please notify Stanimore Pty Limited and destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this message and all attachments immediately. From: owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Barry Esmore Sent: Wednesday, 19 January 2005 7:36 PM To: EMC-PSTC Subject: Re: Australian/NZ Mains Plug with Insulated Pins Mandatory from 3 Apr 05 The information I have is: Western Australia is allowing a 12 month extension. Queensland is allowing a conditional 12 month extension. Victoria is attempting to get this legislation through
RE: Power adaptor to Australia
Gary, The regulations in Australia concerning EMC are indeed different to Europe in that the Australian EMC regulatory framework hinges around supply rather than importation. Yes it is he local manufacturer or importer who must ensure the device complies but simply because they are considered to be the first supplier of the device in Australia. On the point about the power adapter not needing the C-tick mark if the power adapter has been tested with the parent unit. This is actually the case according to the fine point of the regulations PROVIDING the power adapter is not independently listed in your price list or sales material (i.e. independently available for purchase). Therefore, if the supplier wish to be able to make the power adapter freely available to their customers to replace failed power adapters after any warranty expires (i.e. the customer has to buy the power adapter) how does the supplier ensure the customer is buying the device to be used with the original parent device. It all gets rather messy. In addition, the ACA are fairly uncomfortable about a device, such as a power adapter, not being compliant in its own right (marked with the C-Tick and ACA Supplier Code etc) if the device has a COMMONLY USED SECONDARY CONNECTOR allowing it to easily be transferred by the user and used with another device. My advice to my clients therefore, from a practical point of view and to avoid any potential problems, is that they should either source already compliant power adapters or have the power adapter independently tested to avoid any hassles at time of ACA audit. This then allows the device to be independently listed for sale also. One final point. The ACA are presently in the throws of ramping up their after market surveillance (compliance auditing) where they will be conducting more and more full technical audits rather than simply reviewing a Compliance Folder on the spot to ensure the necessary compliance material is included and the test reports are to the right standard and state the device complies etc. This means they will be taking all compliance documentation (Compliance Folder etc) plus 3 samples of the device away to perform a thorough evaluation of the compliance material and the device including: a) going through each and every test report, clause by clause, to ensure the reports cover all the applicable clauses (i.e. the right clauses have been tested) and that the test data results do in fact confirm compliance; b) examining the samples to ensure they do indeed match the compliance material (i.e. samples offered for supply are exactly the same type and hardware/firmware/software version of that stated in the Compliance Folder). Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Solutions for Technology Products (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@ieee.org This material (this message and the information contained in all attachments to this message) is confidential and/or privileged information and is intended only for the addressee/s named above. Any unauthorised dissemination, copying, use of or reliance upon this material by persons or entities other than the addressee/s named above is prohibited. If you receive this material in error, please notify Stanimore Pty Limited and destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this message and all attachments immediately. From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Gary McInturff Sent: Wednesday, 19 November 2003 2:16 AM To: 'Barry Esmore'; EMC-PSTC Forum Subject: RE: Power adaptor to Australia Barry, Quick question. If the supply doesn't have the C-tick mark but is used in a product that does how does one get then get a replacement or spare power supply into the country? Gary From: Barry Esmore [mailto:bar...@melbpc.org.au] Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 4:33 AM To: EMC-PSTC Forum Subject: Re: Power adaptor to Australia It will require Australian safety approval from a state approvals authority and will need to display an allocated approval number. Also, a power supply sold on its own will need to be C-Ticked. However, if it's supplied with a product the product will require the C-Tick and it should not be necessary to also C-Tick the power supply. Regards Barry Esmore AUS-TICK Electrical Appliance Approval Consultants 281 Lawrence Rd Mount Waverley Vic 3149 Australia Ph: 613 9886 1345 Fax: 613 9884 7272 - Original Message - From: Peck Hoon CHON (HPI-MY) mailto:peckhoon.c...@my.hpi-group.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 7:58 PM Subject: Power adaptor to Australia Hi all, Could anyone please advice for product that market to Australia
RE: AS/NZS 3548 = AS/NZS CISPR 22:2002
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Kristiaan, The EMC regulations in Australia allow compliance with any of the following for IT type equipment: a) AS/NZS 3548:1995 or AS/NZS CISPR 22:2002; or b) CISPR 22:1997 + Amdt 1:2000 or CISPR 22:1997 + Amdt 1:2000 + Amdt 2:2002; or c) EN 55022:1994 + Amdt 1:1995 + Amdt 2:1997 (until Aug 05) or EN 55022:1998 or EN 55022:1998 + Amdt 1:2000 For European standards the Australian EMC regulations specifically states the following:- Transitional arrangements for amendments to the standards are: - Two (2) years for IEC, CISPR, AS/NZS standards at the time of publication - transitional period as published in the Official Journal of the European Communities for EN standards This means that if you choose to declare compliance to European standards now that Europe has officially revised the cessation date for EN 55022:1994 to Aug 05 then compliance with EN 55022:1994 is acceptable in Australia until Aug 05. In July I prepared a table identifying what standards were acceptable in Australia and until what dates they were acceptable. I have attached this information in a PDF file. Please note it reflects the then official OJ listed cessation date for EN 55022:1994 (i.e. Aug 03). Now the OJ has officially revised this date to Aug 05 this standard would be acceptable until then. I hope you and others in the group find the table informative and useful. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Solutions for Technology Products (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@ieee.org This material (this message and the information contained in all attachments to this message) is confidential and/or privileged information and is intended only for the addressee/s named above. Any unauthorised dissemination, copying, use of or reliance upon this material by persons or entities other than the addressee/s named above is prohibited. If you receive this material in error, please notify Stanimore Pty Limited and destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this message and all attachments immediately. From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Carpentier Kristiaan Sent: Friday, 5 September 2003 11:04 PM To: 'EMC-PSTC (E-mail)' Subject: AS/NZS 3548 = AS/NZS CISPR 22:2002 Hello Group, From Jan 2004, the ACA in Australia will require compliance with the standard AS/NZS CISPR 2002 for telecom products i.s.o. AS/NZS 3548. I understand this new standard is a copy of CISPR22:1998 incl. A1. Compliance with EN55022:1998 incl. A1 will also be acceptable. Taken into account the shift of the DOW of EN55022:1994 to Aug. 2005 because of the technical issues in the 1998 +A1 version, is anyone aware of the actual position taken by Australia ? Shall a mftr have to test its product twice, to the 1994 and 1998+A1 version? Vriendelijke Groeten, Best regards, Meilleures salutations, Kristiaan Carpentier Regulatory and Approval Engineer Thomson multimedia Broadband Belgium N.V., S.A. Prins Boudewijnlaan 47, B-2650 Edegem, Belgium Tel: +32 3 443 6407 - Fax: +32 3 443 6632 e-mail: kristiaan.carpent...@thomson.net www.speedtouch.com This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Title: RE: AS/NZS 3548 = AS/NZS CISPR 22:2002 Kristiaan, The EMC regulations in Australia allow compliance with any of the following for IT type equipment: a) AS/NZS 3548:1995 or AS/NZS CISPR 22:2002; or b) CISPR 22:1997 + Amdt 1:2000 or CISPR 22:1997 + Amdt 1:2000 + Amdt 2:2002; or c) EN 55022:1994 + Amdt 1:1995 + Amdt 2:1997 (until Aug 05) or EN 55022:1998 or EN 55022:1998 + Amdt 1:2000 For European standards the Australian EMC regulations specifically states the following:- Transitional arrangements for amendments to the standards are: - Two (2) years for IEC, CISPR, AS/NZS standards at the time of publication - transitional period as published in the Official Journal of the European Communities for EN standards This means that if you choose to declare compliance to European standards now that Europe has officially
RE: Approvals Matrix
Alex, I think your matrix is a great idea but for Australia and NZ (Australia in particular) it is not that simple to cover all the compliance issues for your product categories in a matrix this simple. Joe Randolph was correct about PSTN standards for Australia and NZ (AS/ACIF S002 and PTC 200). Concerning safety, ACA TS001:1997 is the present requirement. This should change very soon however to allow compliance with either AS/NZS 60950:2000 or TS001. AS/NZS 60950:2000 = IEC 60950 + Australian national deviations. There is likely to be a brief transitional period where compliance with either standard is acceptable then TS001 will be withdrawn and compliance with AS/NZS 60950:2000 will be required. For Australia and NZ there is a large amount of information required to be added concerning your major categories: - If Modem - ISDN - If Wireless - Short Range - Bluetooth - If Wireless - Short Range - 433 MHz - If Wireless - Long Range - GSM - If Wireless - Long Range - CDMA Unfortunately I can not spare the time here to populate your matrix for you for Australia and NZ. Sorry. If you really want to work on adding more information for Australia and NZ please contact me direct. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Solutions for Technology Products (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@ieee.org This material (this message and the information contained in all attachments to this message) is confidential and/or privileged information and is intended only for the addressee/s named above. Any unauthorised dissemination, copying, use of or reliance upon this material by persons or entities other than the addressee/s named above is prohibited. If you receive this material in error, please notify Stanimore Pty Limited and destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this message and all attachments immediately. From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Alex McNeil Sent: Friday, 5 September 2003 5:23 PM To: Emc-Pstc (E-mail) Subject: Approvals Matrix Hi Group, I have started an Approvals matrix for Europe, North America and Australasia for typical low power ITE office products. I would be extremely grateful if those experts amongst you could comment on the validity and indeed add to it. Thanks in anticipation of your usual response. Kind Regards Alex McNeil Principal Engineer This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Will European ISDN devices work in Australia or New Zealand
Rick, ISDN equipment complying CTR3/TBR3 or CTR4/TBR4 should have no problem operating in Australia. Addition testing however would be required for Australia. Probable standards would be: - ACA TS001:1997 (requires compliance with AS/NZS 3260:1993 plus A1, A2, A3 A4) - AS/ACIF S004:2001 (if device is ISDN incorporates voice) - AS/ACIF S031:2001 for BRI - AS/ACIF S038:2001 for PRI Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Solutions for Technology Products (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@ieee.org This material (this message and the information contained in all attachments to this message) is confidential and/or privileged information and is intended only for the addressee/s named above. Any unauthorised dissemination, copying, use of or reliance upon this material by persons or entities other than the addressee/s named above is prohibited. If you receive this material in error, please notify Stanimore Pty Limited and destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this message and all attachments immediately. From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of rlinf...@sonicwall.com Sent: Thursday, 21 August 2003 2:44 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Will European ISDN devices work in Australia or New Zealand Hello EMC-PSTC GROUP, Will ISDN products that comply to the European standards and work in Europe, meet the Australian standards and work in Australia? (Telecom and Safety) What about New Zealand? Thanks in advance. Rick Linford This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Professional Lighting Control Console - the Americas
Again Peter, thank you for your advice. I agree that it would appear it is now appropriate to go straight to UL and CSA. Thank you. Thank you to all who have replied concerning this issue. As always I am very appreciative of the consider wisdom of the many participants of this group. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Solutions for Technology Products (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@ieee.org This material (this message and the information contained in all attachments to this message) is confidential and/or privileged information and is intended only for the addressee/s named above. Any unauthorised dissemination, copying, use of or reliance upon this material by persons or entities other than the addressee/s named above is prohibited. If you receive this material in error, please notify Stanimore Pty Limited and destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this message and all attachments immediately. From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Peter L. Tarver Sent: Tuesday, 15 July 2003 7:40 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: Professional Lighting Control Console - the Americas At the risk of offending, this is discussion is mostly academic (for the US). By this I mean, I looked up the applicable standards on UL's web site and though there was one surprising answer (surprising to me), they were the correct answers for the US, unless some additional product information is forthcoming that might change the landscape. While at UL, I evaluated theater and architectural dimmers. UL 508 was the applicable standard. Since this is a controller, without dimming, I suspect UL508 is still the applicable standard, unless a case can be made for the product category where UL60950 was specified (the implication is that the device is a computerized switch controller). Perhaps one piece that's missing from this discussion is that UL certifies products to product categories, not standards; within each product category for Listing, the appropriate standard(s) is (are) identified in the UL Guide Card. It is not particularly relevant to debate applicability of one standard over another, without consulting the Guide Cards for the product categories of interest. If the above information is considered incorrect, speculation will not derive the correct answer. In order for Kevin to discover the correct standard(s), assuming they are different from those previously mentioned, he should send a request with product description to UL's customer Service Dept. and to CSA through their web site or a direct engineering contacts that can lead to the correct answers. I'm certain they'll give you the most correct information. I do not think that UL60065 applies, but UL may have a different story. Regards, Peter L. Tarver, PE Product Safety Manager Sanmina-SCI Homologation Services San Jose, CA peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
EMC Requirements for Argentina
I am having trouble confirming the present EMC requirements in Argentina for electrical/electronic equipment. I understand there are none. Can anyone please confirm that please? Does anyone know if they plan to introduce requirements and if so when? As always, any help greatly appreciated. Thank you. I would like to thank again those who shared some of their valuable time and knowledge in providing input concerning safety requirements. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Solutions for Technology Products (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@ieee.org This material (this message and the information contained in all attachments to this message) is confidential and/or privileged information and is intended only for the addressee/s named above. Any unauthorised dissemination, copying, use of or reliance upon this material by persons or entities other than the addressee/s named above is prohibited. If you receive this material in error, please notify Stanimore Pty Limited and destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this message and all attachments immediately. This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Professional Lighting Control Console - the Americas
John, thank you for the confirmation for Europe. Have you had any experience with certification requirements for equipment of this type in the USA or Canada? Would you agree UL1950 or UL60950 for the USA and C22.2 No 14-M91 for Canada appropriate as Peter Tarver suggests? It would appear from the titles of UL 508 provided by Peter that it is probably less appropriate. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Solutions for Technology Products (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@ieee.org This material (this message and the information contained in all attachments to this message) is confidential and/or privileged information and is intended only for the addressee/s named above. Any unauthorised dissemination, copying, use of or reliance upon this material by persons or entities other than the addressee/s named above is prohibited. If you receive this material in error, please notify Stanimore Pty Limited and destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this message and all attachments immediately. From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Saturday, 12 July 2003 6:11 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: Professional Lighting Control Console - the Americas I read in !emc-pstc that Kevin Richardson kevin.richard...@ieee.org wrote (in nebbihdflagbliikmlbkoeoiebaa.kevin.richard...@ieee.org) about 'Professional Lighting Control Console - the Americas' on Thu, 10 Jul 2003: From a standard applicability point of view therefore, for Australia and Europe at least, it is felt the appropriate standards are as follows: - Safety - AS/NZS 60065 and EN 60065 (both including vibration test of IEC/EN 60068-2-6) - EMC emissions - EN 55103-1 - EMC immunity - EN 55103-2 - Harmonics - EN 61000-3-2 (harmonic current emissions for equip with rated current = to or less than 16A) - Voltage Fluctuation/Flicker - EN 61000-3-3 (voltage fluctuation and flicker for equip with rated current = to or less than 16A) Those are the correct standards for Europe. There are no US or Canadian equivalents or parallels to any of those, except to IEC/EN 60065. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Interested in professional sound reinforcement and distribution? Then go to http://www.isce.org.uk PLEASE do NOT copy news posts to me by E-MAIL! This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Professional Lighting Control Console - the Americas
Hi Peter, Really appreciate your reply. Thank you for the advice re the UL web site however I am not sure that would be the appropriate product category. When determining compliance requirements for Australia and Europe it was felt the Australian and European versions of IEC 60065 were more appropriate (IEC 60065 applies to low voltage devices and includes under its scope Light effect apparatus). IEC 60065 was felt appropriate essentially because the device only provides 8 low voltage (5 V), opto-isolated, controllable outputs from a single DMX-512 (lighting signal standard) input. As such, there are no dimmer (voltage controlled) outputs incorporated into the device. From a standard applicability point of view therefore, for Australia and Europe at least, it is felt the appropriate standards are as follows: - Safety - AS/NZS 60065 and EN 60065 (both including vibration test of IEC/EN 60068-2-6) - EMC emissions - EN 55103-1 - EMC immunity - EN 55103-2 - Harmonics - EN 61000-3-2 (harmonic current emissions for equip with rated current = to or less than 16A) - Voltage Fluctuation/Flicker - EN 61000-3-3 (voltage fluctuation and flicker for equip with rated current = to or less than 16A) To go back to basics, I suppose in terms of product compliance, what I am really trying to achieve for the countries listed in my original email is: - identify if the introduction of this type of equipment is regulated; - if it is regulated, identify what is required to comply with those regulations (i.e. approvals/certifications, technical requirements, actions required by manufacturer/supply and markings/labels required etc); - if approval/certification does apply, understand approval/certification options (i.e. is certification by other than UL acceptable, are CB reports acceptable to gain certification etc); - if it is not regulated, clarify/confirm perceived appropriate good citizen actions that should be taken concerning the introduction of such a device to the market. On a more general note, I would also like to clarify that if this type of equipment is regulated and approval/certification does apply, is compliance with Canadian requirements and marking with CSA label sufficient for the USA and other countries on my original list? Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Solutions for Technology Products (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@ieee.org This material (this message and the information contained in all attachments to this message) is confidential and/or privileged information and is intended only for the addressee/s named above. Any unauthorised dissemination, copying, use of or reliance upon this material by persons or entities other than the addressee/s named above is prohibited. If you receive this material in error, please notify Stanimore Pty Limited and destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this message and all attachments immediately. From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Peter L. Tarver Sent: Thursday, 10 July 2003 1:18 AM To: EMC-PSTC Cc: Kevin Richardson Subject: RE: Professional Lighting Control Console - the Americas Sensitivity: Confidential Kevin - For the US (and possibly Canada) --- A quick search on lighting controls on UL's web site revealed the following for the US (I know you said not dimmers and the below does not appear to be direct dimmers, but dimmers may be controlled by the equipment): EPCT, Dimmers, Theater, Controls This category covers lighting control units intended to interface with stage, studio, and theater lighting dimming equipment. These units may be provided with various controls that operate remote dimming equipment. The units are provided with a number of outputs to operate different types of dimming equipment and associated equipment. They may be provided with integral computer systems. Low voltage control circuit inputs and outputs comply with requirements for Class 2 circuits in accordance with Article 725 of the National Electrical Code. The basic standard used to investigate products in this category is UL 1950, Safety of Information Technology Equipment, Including Electrical Business Equipment. The standard used is a surprise and probably needs updating to UL60950-1. I had expected something similar to the below, which includes dimmers and may yet be the appropriate product categories, even though dimming is not involved: NMTR, Miscellaneous Apparatus covers both architectural and theater dimmers (this is an older, perhaps lesser used product category) UL 508, Industrial Control Equipment. EPAR, Dimmers, Theater UL 508, Industrial Control Equipment. EPAR7, Dimmers, Theater Certified For Canada C22.2 No. 14-M91, Industrial
Professional Lighting Control Console - the Americas
I am trying to determine what approvals/certifications would be required for this type of equipment in the following countries: - USA - Canada - Mexico - Brazil - Argentina - Chile The device complies with Australian and European requirements for safety and EMC (i.e. CE mark and Australian C-Tick). Equipment Description A professional lighting control console (i.e. multiple channels for independent control of multiple theatre/stage lighting etc - not dimmers) The device can be roughly technically described as: - a Professional lighting control console - operating from mains power (90 - 265 including mains supply tolerances) - switch-mode power supply feeding 8 low voltage DC PSU circuits (8 controlled output channels) - rated at 10VA max and 25 W - incorporates 8 opto-isolated control output circuits and 1 pass-through (passive) DMX circuit Any information gratefully received. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Solutions for Technology Products (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@ieee.org This material (this message and the information contained in all attachments to this message) is confidential and/or privileged information and is intended only for the addressee/s named above. Any unauthorised dissemination, copying, use of or reliance upon this material by persons or entities other than the addressee/s named above is prohibited. If you receive this material in error, please notify Stanimore Pty Limited and destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this message and all attachments immediately. This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Argentina's Electrical Safety ('S' mark)
Can anyone advise where I can find: - good information on Argentina's regulatory requirements concerning electrical safety and what you need to do etc - where I can find a listing of non-Argentine labs whose reports are acceptable - information relating to differences, if any, from USA and IEC standards etc Any help greatly appreciated. Thank you. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Solutions for Technology Products (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@ieee.org This material (this message and the information contained in all attachments to this message) is confidential and/or privileged information and is intended only for the addressee/s named above. Any unauthorised dissemination, copying, use of or reliance upon this material by persons or entities other than the addressee/s named above is prohibited. If you receive this material in error, please notify Stanimore Pty Limited and destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this message and all attachments immediately. This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Australian Automotive Product
Hi Bob, Emissions for the complete vehicle as sold new are covered by an Code of Practice endorsed by the Australia Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries (FCAI). They can be contacted via their web site www.autoindustries.com.au/contact.php. Component manufacturers and suppliers of aftermarket products for vehicles must comply with the ACA EMC regulatory (C-Tick) requirements and label product accordingly etc. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Solutions for Technology Products (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@ieee.org This material (this message and the information contained in all attachments to this message) is confidential and/or privileged information and is intended only for the addressee/s named above. Any unauthorised dissemination, copying, use of or reliance upon this material by persons or entities other than the addressee/s named above is prohibited. If you receive this material in error, please notify Stanimore Pty Limited and destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this message and all attachments immediately. From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of rehel...@mmm.com Sent: Friday, 16 May 2003 8:04 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Australian Automotive Product I cannot find any special requirements for products going into automobiles for Australia (I looked at the ACA website). Does anyone know of any other than the C-Tick requirements (product is not telecommunications). Thanks, Bob Heller 3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 === This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Use of the # button on telephone dial
RE: EN60950-1 - Time Scale??
Peter, For Australia New Zealand AS/NZS 60950-1 has completed the public comment period. There a couple of comments which need to be resolved but hopefully these will not hold it up too much. As such, with any luck it should be published within a few months. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@ieee.org This material (this message and the information contained in all attachments to this message) is confidential and/or privileged information and is intended only for the addressee/s named above. Any unauthorised dissemination, copying, use of or reliance upon this material by persons or entities other than the addressee/s named above is prohibited. If you receive this material in error, please notify Stanimore Pty Limited and destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this message and all attachments immediately. From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of peter merguerian Sent: Friday, 7 February 2003 5:09 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: EN60950-1 - Time Scale?? Group, EN60950-1 appears in the OJ and there is a CB TRF issued by Fimko to this standard. Is it wise to obtain a CB Test Report and Certificate to this standard when most countries, including the US and Canada, have not adopted their versions of the standard? What is going on around the world to adopt the IEC 60950-1 standard? Peter _ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail http://rd.yahoo.com/mail/mailsig/*http://mailplus.yahoo.com Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up ttp://rd.yahoo.com/mail/mailsig/*http://mailplus.yahoo.com now
IEC 60950:1999 - Australian Deviations
All, Thought I should let the group know that IECEE CB Scheme accredited test labs can now officially issue CB Certificates and test reports to IEC 60950:1999 (3rd Edition) including Australian deviations. Previously, CB Certificates and reports could only officially include Australian deviations to the 2nd Edition (IEC 950:1991). Australian deviations to the 3rd Edition were never included in the CB Bulletin due to and oversight (too complicated to explain). This was recently corrected (some time shortly after 20 Dec 02). The Australian deviations to the 3rd Edition are now listed in the CB Bulletin area of the IECEE web site in the TEMPORARY file and I understand will be included in the next published CB Bulletin. The same is true for Australian deviations to IEC 60065:1998 (6th Edition). Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@ieee.org This material (this message and the information contained in all attachments to this message) is confidential and/or privileged information and is intended only for the addressee/s named above. Any unauthorised dissemination, copying, use of or reliance upon this material by persons or entities other than the addressee/s named above is prohibited. If you receive this material in error, please notify Stanimore Pty Limited and destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this message and all attachments immediately. This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Surge Protection EN 60439-1
Thank you to all those who replied re this question. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@ieee.org This material (this message and the information contained in all attachments to this message) is confidential and/or privileged information and is intended only for the addressee/s named above. Any unauthorised dissemination, copying, use of or reliance upon this material by persons or entities other than the addressee/s named above is prohibited. If you receive this material in error, please notify Stanimore Pty Limited and destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this message and all attachments immediately. -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Tuesday, 3 December 2002 10:11 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: Surge Protection EN 60439-1 I read in !emc-pstc that Kevin Richardson kevin.richard...@ieee.org wrote (in nebbihdflagbliikmlbkgeabdnaa.kevin.richard...@ieee.org) about 'Surge Protection EN 60439-1' on Tue, 3 Dec 2002: Can anyone please advise if EN 60439-1 allows the practice of placing a surge protection device (eg an MOV) across the mains input (active to earth) is accepted. The MOV would probably be set at something like 420 vAC or RMS so probably about 600 peak. Whether it does or not, DON'T DO IT! It's now considered dangerous. There is alleged to be an exemption for hard-wired equipment (not plug- in) with tow separate earth paths back to the fusebox (which a British ring-main does automatically, but not a spur), but I've not seen any official text yet. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Interested in professional sound reinforcement and distribution? Then go to http://www.isce.org.uk PLEASE do NOT copy news posts to me by E-MAIL! --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Surge Protection EN 60439-1
Can anyone please advise if EN 60439-1 allows the practice of placing a surge protection device (eg an MOV) across the mains input (active to earth) is accepted. The MOV would probably be set at something like 420 vAC or RMS so probably about 600 peak. The equipment is a professional lighting dimmer/distribution type stand-alone box (trans-portable) which incorporates: - a 3 phase star (neutral required) with earth type power supply. The box provides the following outputs: - multiple (10A) dimmer output circuits (std mains type outlets) - multiple non-dimmed output circuits (3 outlets per circuit) power distribution type arrangement (std mains type outlets) based on power switchboard type technology Any input gratefully received. Thanks. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@ieee.org This material (this message and the information contained in all attachments to this message) is confidential and/or privileged information and is intended only for the addressee/s named above. Any unauthorised dissemination, copying, use of or reliance upon this material by persons or entities other than the addressee/s named above is prohibited. If you receive this material in error, please notify Stanimore Pty Limited and destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this message and all attachments immediately. attachment: winmail.dat
RE: Record Retention
Randall, As Fred Borda pointed out, for Australia (both C-Tick and A-Tick) is 5 years for all documentation held in the product Compliance Folder starting from the time the device is no longer supplied in Australia. NOTE This may be different to being considered obsolete. In addition, if there is any modification introduced, even after the device is no longer available for purchase such as a repair involving an ECO (Engineering Change Order) which may impact compliance, the 5 years would commence from the time of the repair which introduced the ECO'd modification. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (including Australian Agent Services) (Legislation/Regulations/Standards) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@ieee.org This material (this message and the information contained in all attachments to this message) is confidential and/or privileged information and is intended only for the addressee/s named above. Any unauthorised dissemination, copying, use of or reliance upon this material by persons or entities other than the addressee/s named above is prohibited. If you receive this material in error, please notify Stanimore Pty Limited and destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this message and all attachments immediately. -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Flinders, Randall Sent: Friday, 11 October 2002 2:04 AM To: Emc-Pstc (E-mail) Subject: Record Retention Can anyone give me the record retention requirements for FCC Part 15, CE-Mark, and C-Tick certifications? How long must we keep the test reports once the product has gone obsolete? I believe this to be 2 years from the last date of manufacture for FCC but can't seem to find the section in the regs. Not sure where to even look for this information within the EMC directive or C-Tick framework. Any suggestions on where this information is located would be helpful. Thanks! Randy Flinders Electromagnetic Compatibility Engineer Emulex Corporation - We Network Storage 3535 Harbor Blvd. Costa Mesa, Ca. 92626 Direct: (714) 513-8012 Fax: (714) 513-5408 Email: randall.flind...@emulex.com mailto:randall.flind...@emulex.com Web: http://www.emulex.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: AS/NZS 60950:2000
Kaz, AS/NZS 3260 is due to be withdrawn on 5 Jun 2003. Not sure I understand your question concerning implementation of AS/NZS 60950:2000. It was published on 5 Jun 2000 and can be used from that time. If you are referring to when AS/NZS 60950:2000 can be used in relation to telecommunications compliance, then as you are probably aware the ACA (Australian Communications Authority) presently requires compliance with ACA TS001:1997, which in turn requires compliance with AS/NZS 3260 at this time. The ACA recently assessed whether to revise TS001 to require compliance with AS/NZS 60950:2000. The result of that assessment was that it may be more appropriate to withdraw TS001 altogether and simply require compliance with AS/NZS 60950:2000. If this eventuates, TS001 will more than likely be withdrawn early 2003. AS/NZS 60950:2000 has some Australian deviations from IEC 60950:1999 (there are no New Zealand deviations). All Australian deviations are contained in Annex ZZ of AS/NZS 60950:2000. NOTE: The joint Australian/New Zealand version of IEC 60950-1 should be published around Mar/Apr 2003. The Australian deviations will be reduced a little in this version. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (including Australian Agent Services) (Legislation/Regulations/Standards) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@ieee.org This material (this message and the information contained in all attachments to this message) is confidential and/or privileged information and is intended only for the addressee/s named above. Any unauthorised dissemination, copying, use of or reliance upon this material by persons or entities other than the addressee/s named above is prohibited. If you receive this material in error, please notify Stanimore Pty Limited and destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this message and all attachments immediately. -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of kazimier_gawrzy...@dell.com Sent: Tuesday, 1 October 2002 12:09 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: AS/NZS 60950:2000 Greetings folks, Can anyone advise on what the date of withdrawal for AS/NZS 3260 is and what the effective implementation dates for AS/NZS60950:2000 are? Wondering if it's harmonized with EN60950:2000 or if the dates and conditions contain any written differences as would be the case of UL/CSA 60950, third edition? Thanks In Advance, Regards, Kaz Gawrzyjal Dell Computer Corp. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: EN or IEC 61000-3-12
John, As I thought. Thank you John. Sorry have not had the chance to come back earlier. I have been out of office all week and difficult to get time to read postings etc. Any idea when -12 is likely to be published? Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (including Australian Agent Services) (Legislation/Regulations/Standards) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@ieee.org This material (this message and the information contained in all attachments to this message) is confidential and/or privileged information and is intended only for the addressee/s named above. Any unauthorised dissemination, copying, use of or reliance upon this material by persons or entities other than the addressee/s named above is prohibited. If you receive this material in error, please notify Stanimore Pty Limited and destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this message and all attachments immediately. -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Friday, 20 September 2002 6:20 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: EN or IEC 61000-3-12 I read in !emc-pstc that Kevin Richardson kevin.richard...@ieee.org wrote (in nebbihdflagbliikmlbkeejadlaa.kevin.richard...@ieee.org) about 'EN or IEC 61000-3-12' on Fri, 20 Sep 2002: Can anyone shed any light on if this standard is usually used in association with EN 61000-3-11 and indeed if the -12 is even published. The IEC have it listed as CDV. Thank you. IEC 61000-3-12 is not yet published. But it is about a subject (harmonic current emissions) entirely separate from that of -11 (voltage changes). -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Interested in professional sound reinforcement and distribution? Then go to http://www.isce.org.uk PLEASE do NOT copy news posts to me by E-MAIL! --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
EN or IEC 61000-3-12
Can anyone shed any light on if this standard is usually used in association with EN 61000-3-11 and indeed if the -12 is even published. The IEC have it listed as CDV. Thank you. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (including Australian Agent Services) (Legislation/Regulations/Standards) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@ieee.org This material (this message and the information contained in all attachments to this message) is confidential and/or privileged information and is intended only for the addressee/s named above. Any unauthorised dissemination, copying, use of or reliance upon this material by persons or entities other than the addressee/s named above is prohibited. If you receive this material in error, please notify Stanimore Pty Limited and destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this message and all attachments immediately. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
CE Compliance of Professional Lighting Dimmer Box
I am trying to identify the requirements for a professional lighting dimmer/distribution type stand-alone box which incorporates a 3 phase star (neutral required) with earth type power supply. The box provides the following outputs: - multiple (10A) dimmer circuits (std mains type outlets) - multiple non-dimmed circuits (3 outlets per circuit) power distribution type arrangement (std mains type outlets) based on power switchboard type technology - DMX (lighting mixing signalling standard) type input with controlled and non-controlled opto-isolated controlled outputs (DIN type outlet) The equipment utilises RCDs and circuit breakers to protect circuits etc. Can anyone provide some help in identifying the requirements for CE compliance? Under the EMC and LVD Directives it is difficult to accurately identify exactly which standards apply to this type of product but I am presuming at least the switchgear and controlgear type standards apply (of course I may be wrong but that seems logical). For safety, someone has suggested the following may apply but I am a bit dubious about some of them: - EN 60065 (I do not believe applicable) - EN 60439-1 -3 (are these correct or are there more appropriate stds) - EN 60950 (I do not believe applicable) For EMC, can anyone please confirm if the following do not apply or if any others apply? - EN 55015 (emissions etc) - EN 61000-3-2 (harmonics - I understand no conducted harmonic current emission limits apply to professional dimmers) - EN 61000-3-3 (voltage fluctuations and flicker) - EN 61000-3-11 (voltage fluctuations and flicker) - EN 61000-6-1 (immunity - supersedes EN 50082-1) I do not believe any other EU Directive applies. Any help at all greatly appreciated. Thank you. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (including Australian Agent Services) (Legislation/Regulations/Standards) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@ieee.org This material (this message and the information contained in all attachments to this message) is confidential and/or privileged information and is intended only for the addressee/s named above. Any unauthorised dissemination, copying, use of or reliance upon this material by persons or entities other than the addressee/s named above is prohibited. If you receive this material in error, please notify Stanimore Pty Limited and destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this message and all attachments immediately. attachment: winmail.dat
RE: Online Standards EN61010-1
Doug, If you have trouble getting a PDF copy from the IEC you can get a PDF copy of IEC 61010 from Standards Australia on-line (credit card payment) at www.standards.com.au At the home page, just input 61010 in the search field and be sure to check the IEC box. You should then be presented with a listing of all IEC 61010 parts etc to choose from. When the listing comes up, you can choose to order a hardcopy of PDF copy etc. for which ever part you are interested in. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (including Australian Agent Services) (Legislation/Regulations/Standards) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@ieee.org This material (this message and the information contained in all attachments to this message) is confidential and/or privileged information and is intended only for the addressee/s named above. Any unauthorised dissemination, copying, use of or reliance upon this material by persons or entities other than the addressee/s named above is prohibited. If you receive this material in error, please notify Stanimore Pty Limited and destroy all copies (electronic and hardcopy) of this message and all attachments immediately. -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of POWELL, DOUG Sent: Thursday, 8 August 2002 3:15 AM To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) Subject: Online Standards EN61010-1 Hello all, I have been searching for a document service that has electronic format standards (PDF) for EN61010-1:2001 with fully functional text search. IHS Global and TechStreet have hardcopy only. BSI offers electronic but it's only a converted TIFF format. I thought about using the IEC but I am not sure if there are any national deviations in the European Norm. Any help you can provide is appreciated. -doug --- Douglas E. Powell, Compliance Engineer Advanced Energy Industries, Inc. Ft. Collins, CO 80525 mailto:doug.pow...@aei.com --- ___ This message, including any attachments, may contain information that is confidential and proprietary information of Advanced Energy Industries, Inc. The dissemination, distribution, use or copying of this message or any of its attachments is strictly prohibited without the express written consent of Advanced Energy Industries, Inc. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: EN60950 3rd vs EN60950-1
Yes. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (including Australian Agent Services) (Legislation/Regulations/Standards) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@ieee.org The material transmitted in this message and contained in any attachments to this message is confidential and/or privileged information and is intended only for the addressee/s. Any unauthorised use of or reliance upon this material by persons or entities other than the addressee/s is prohibited. If you receive this information in error, please notify the sender and destroy any copies of the material immediately. -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of richwo...@tycoint.com Sent: Tuesday, 16 July 2002 9:43 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: EN60950 3rd vs EN60950-1 OK, let me ask the question again. Is EN60950-1 complete enought to evaluate most ITE without the need of the subparts? Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International -Original Message- From: Brian McAuliffe [mailto:i...@mcac.ie] Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 2:35 AM To: Ron Pickard; richwo...@tycoint.com Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: EN60950 3rd vs EN60950-1 I would agree, kind of like IEC/EN 60335 for domestic electrical and similar equipment. Brian McAuliffe MCA Compliance Solutions www.mcac.ie -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Ron Pickard Sent: 15 July 2002 21:28 To: richwo...@tycoint.com Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: EN60950 3rd vs EN60950-1 Richard et al, It is my understanding that IEC/EN/?? 60950-1 is intended to supercede IEC/EN/?? 60950 3rd Edition. This is evidenced by the statement from CENELEC's web site relating to EN60950-1, which is Supersedes EN 60950:2000. The IEC's website provides this statement This first edition of IEC 60950-1 cancels and replaces the third edition of IEC 60950, issued in 1999, and constitutes a technical revision. For specific requirements for particular product variants, other sub-parts (EN60950-xx) would be necessary. BTW, EN60950-21 (remote power feeding) is the only sub-part on record with CENELEC according to their website. In addition to Part 21, the IEC's website also describes Part 22: Equipment installed outdoors and Part 23: Large IT equipment with integral robotics. So, I believe that if products do not apply to any sub-part, then I would presume that sub-part 1 would be the only sub-part that would apply. Comments? Best regards, Ron Pickard rpick...@hypercom.com richwo...@tycoint.com Sent by: To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org owner-emc-pstc@majordocc: mo.ieee.org Subject: RE: EN60950 3rd vs EN60950-1 07/15/02 11:45 AM Please respond to richwoods A couple of months ago, I asked the group if I should be using EN60650-1. The answer was no, until and unless the particular part was published that covered my product. In other words, the new edition is incomplete and subsequent parts will need to be published before it can be used instead of the current edition. Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International -Original Message- From: Brian O'Connell [mailto:boconn...@t-yuden.com] Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 9:25 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: EN60950 3rd vs EN60950-1 In my copy of EN 60950-1:2002, purchased from BSI, the DoP is listed as December 01, 2002. R/S, Brian O'Connell Taiyo Yuden (USA), Inc. -Original Message- From: Ron Pickard [mailto:rpick...@hypercom.com] Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 3:10 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: EN60950 3rd vs EN60950-1 Hi Allen, Thanks for your reply, however, I highly doubt that these products will be obsoleted by then, which is the source of my concern and my query. Also, at some standards purchasing houses, I've noticed that EN60950 3rd Edition has been, or is being, superceded by EN60950-1. This has caused me to ask the question of OJ publication. Best regards, Ron Pickard rpick...@hypercom.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe
RE: EN60950 3rd vs EN60950-1
Ron, As I understand it, Part 1 (IEC 60950-1) is indeed a complete and stand-alone replacement for IEC 60950 3rd Edition. Future parts such as 60950-21, -22 -23 will be addressing specific product types or product environments etc. IEC 60950-1 is however generic and as such a product falling within the scope of any future parts will still be expected to meet the requirements of 60950-1 where applicable (i.e. any parts other than Part 1 will be complimentary and in addition to the requirements of Part 1 for that type of equipment). Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (including Australian Agent Services) (Legislation/Regulations/Standards) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@ieee.org The material transmitted in this message and contained in any attachments to this message is confidential and/or privileged information and is intended only for the addressee/s. Any unauthorised use of or reliance upon this material by persons or entities other than the addressee/s is prohibited. If you receive this information in error, please notify the sender and destroy any copies of the material immediately. -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Ron Pickard Sent: Tuesday, 16 July 2002 6:28 AM To: richwo...@tycoint.com Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: EN60950 3rd vs EN60950-1 Richard et al, It is my understanding that IEC/EN/?? 60950-1 is intended to supercede IEC/EN/?? 60950 3rd Edition. This is evidenced by the statement from CENELEC's web site relating to EN60950-1, which is Supersedes EN 60950:2000. The IEC's website provides this statement This first edition of IEC 60950-1 cancels and replaces the third edition of IEC 60950, issued in 1999, and constitutes a technical revision. For specific requirements for particular product variants, other sub-parts (EN60950-xx) would be necessary. BTW, EN60950-21 (remote power feeding) is the only sub-part on record with CENELEC according to their website. In addition to Part 21, the IEC's website also describes Part 22: Equipment installed outdoors and Part 23: Large IT equipment with integral robotics. So, I believe that if products do not apply to any sub-part, then I would presume that sub-part 1 would be the only sub-part that would apply. Comments? Best regards, Ron Pickard rpick...@hypercom.com richwo...@tycoint.com Sent by: To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org owner-emc-pstc@majordocc: mo.ieee.org Subject: RE: EN60950 3rd vs EN60950-1 07/15/02 11:45 AM Please respond to richwoods A couple of months ago, I asked the group if I should be using EN60650-1. The answer was no, until and unless the particular part was published that covered my product. In other words, the new edition is incomplete and subsequent parts will need to be published before it can be used instead of the current edition. Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International -Original Message- From: Brian O'Connell [mailto:boconn...@t-yuden.com] Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 9:25 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: EN60950 3rd vs EN60950-1 In my copy of EN 60950-1:2002, purchased from BSI, the DoP is listed as December 01, 2002. R/S, Brian O'Connell Taiyo Yuden (USA), Inc. -Original Message- From: Ron Pickard [mailto:rpick...@hypercom.com] Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 3:10 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: EN60950 3rd vs EN60950-1 Hi Allen, Thanks for your reply, however, I highly doubt that these products will be obsoleted by then, which is the source of my concern and my query. Also, at some standards purchasing houses, I've noticed that EN60950 3rd Edition has been, or is being, superceded by EN60950-1. This has caused me to ask the question of OJ publication. Best regards, Ron Pickard rpick...@hypercom.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click
RE: Home Network
Richard, If you are interested in restricting the speed of your Ethernet link you should be able to do it from your Network Settings: - from Control Panel; - choose Network; - choose the adapter card' then - Properties; - choose the Advanced tab; then - you should find one of the options listed in the box on the left something to do with Link Speed, highlight it; - then you should be able to select in the right-hand drop-down box 10Mb/duplex Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (including Australian Agent Services) (Legislation/Regulations/Standards) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@ieee.org The material transmitted in this message and contained in any attachments to this message is confidential and/or privileged information and is intended only for the addressee/s. Any unauthorised use of or reliance upon this material by persons or entities other than the addressee/s is prohibited. If you receive this information in error, please notify the sender and destroy any copies of the material immediately. -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of richwo...@tycoint.com Sent: Saturday, 22 June 2002 3:31 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Home Network I want to upgrade my 1MB/sec home network that uses my phone line. I have several choices, but would like to hear from others before I make the leap. 1) I understand that 10MB/sec Ethernet will operate on Cat 3 twisted pair and that normal phone wiring is Cat 3. If use my existing phone wiring (multiple pairs running all over the house) what are the chances that I will have interference coupled to my telephone or vice versa? 2) If I use a 10/100 MB network interface card, are there options to force the network to operate at 10MB? 3) My other option is go wireless, but there are two competing standards RF and 801.11b. Some reviews indicate that the latter may soon be replaced by another 801 standard. Also, some reviews indicate that 801 is not as good a product as one would be lead to believe.Is wireless networking in the home effective and if so, which standard should I use. Thanks, Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: Australian TS001 now part of AUS/NZ60950?
Peter, Alex Group, ACA TS001:1997 is still current and required by Australian telecommunications regulations as Peter and others have mentioned. Therefore to comply, you must have a report to TS001 and a report to AS/NZS 3260 (both from an ACA Recognised Testing Authority [RTA]). As Peter advised, TS001 still requires compliance with AS/NZS 3260 even though AS/NZS 60950 has been published for some time. ACA TS001:1997 is presently under review however by ACIF (Australian Communications Industry Forum). The ACA no longer develop their own standards. They mandate in regulation, standards developed by ACIF. I am on the review team. The objective of the review is to either get rid of TS001 altogether or update it. If it is decided removing the standard is not appropriate then the update will require compliance with the latest Australia/NZ version of IEC 60950 (i.e. AS/NZS 60950:2000 or AS/NZS 60950-1:2002 if that is published by the time the review is completed). Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (including Australian Agent Services) (Legislation/Regulations/Standards) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@ieee.org The material transmitted in this message and contained in any attachments to this message is confidential and/or privileged information and is intended only for the addressee/s. Any unauthorised use of or reliance upon this material by persons or entities other than the addressee/s is prohibited. If you receive this information in error, please notify the sender and destroy any copies of the material immediately. -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Peter Tarver Sent: Saturday, 18 May 2002 3:34 AM To: Alex McNeil; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: Australian TS001 now part of AUS/NZ60950? Alex - No, TS001-1997 is called up by the Telecommunications Labeling Notice 2001, and so is still required. TS001-1997, in turn, calls up AS3260 (TS001 has still not been updated from the 1997 edition, even though AS/NZS 90950 has been in publication for almost two years). I note that neither did the three amendments in 2001, not the single amendment in 2002 make any changes to the TLN with regard to TS001. We've all been in the wings waiting for both TS001 and the TLN to be updated. Perhaps Kevin Richardson will be kind enough to shed some light on any scheduling of these activities. Regards, Peter L. Tarver, PE Product Safety Manager Sanmina-SCI Homologation Services San Jose, CA peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com -Original Message- From: Alex McNeil Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 12:54 AM Hi Group, If I get the product, with an internal analogue modem or ISDN, approved to AUS/NZ60950 does this mean I no longer need to get Safety Approved to TS001? Kind Regards Alex McNeil Principal Engineer Tel: +44 (0)131 479 8375 Fax: +44 (0)131 479 8321 email: alex.mcn...@ingenicofortronic.com -Original Message- From: Kevin Richardson Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 12:02 PM Oscar, AS/NZS 60950:2000 (IEC 60950 3rd Edition) was published as the joint Australian / New Zealand standard. As you can see, it was published in 2000. Australian and New Zealand are in the balloting process for the adoption of IEC 60950-1 and it should be published around mid year (Jun/Jul 2002). It will be published as AS/NZS 60950-1:2002. Best regards, Kevin Richardson --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri
RE: DSSS WLAN for Australia
Desmond, Not as simple as your questions to explain I am afraid. Below is a very brief outline and by no means should be looked upon as detailing all the issues. Hope it helps. A 2.4GHz spread spectrum device must comply with: a) ACA Radiocommunications Class Licence (Spread Spectrum Devices) requirements with respect to transmitter operation/use. The Class Licence specifies transmitter characteristics (freq of operation and eirp limits etc); and b) ACA Radiocommunications (Electromagnetic Radiation - Human Exposure) Standard 2001 (otherwise known s the HES or Human Exposure Standard) requirements with respect to radiation characteristics (SAR etc). No DoC is required regarding the Class Licence however a DoC and associated Compliance Folder etc is required with respect to the EMR regulations. NOTE: The host equipment would naturally need to comply with Australian safety, EMC and telecommunications regulations if applicable. So, very brief answers to your questions concerning EMR requirements for the spread spectrum device: 1. Australian importer or their Agent need to establish a product Compliance Folder and sign a DoC; 2. C-tick mark required in terms of EMR; 3. If overseas manufacturer/supplier of product does not have a local office in Australia or where that local office is not the direct importer of their product then the easiest solution is for:- a) overseas manufacturer/supplier (company A) to enter into agreement with Australian organisation (company B) offering Agent services to Australian importers (companies C); and b) for any Australian importer of overseas manufacturer's/supplier's product to sign an Agent agreement with company B. 4. The advantage of the arrangement outlined in 3 above is that company B (offering Agent services) already has applied to use the C-Tick mark and has been issued with a unique ACA Supplier Code to be used in association with the C-Tick mark so the product need only one compliance label for all Australian importers (otherwise, if each Australian importer assumes compliance responsibility for the product they import the overseas supplier is faced with having to label product for each importer separately - i.e. different ACA Supplier Code for each importer); 5. No fees in terms of approval submission fees if that is what you mean; 6. No approval submittals required so no lead times there. Under the approach outlined in 3 above, the lead times are dependent upon how quickly:- a) the overseas manufacturer can provide company B with the necessary product information required for the Compliance Folder and satisfy them that their product complies with all requirements; and b) Agent agreements are signed between at least one Australian importer of the product (a company C described in point 3 above) and the Agent (company B). IMPORTANT NOTE: Please do not use my CompuServe email address after 19 Apr 2002. Effective immediately, my new email address is: kevin.richard...@ieee.org Sorry for any inconvenience and Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (including Australian Agent Services) (Legislation/Regulations/Standards) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@ieee.org The material transmitted in this message and contained in any attachments to this message is confidential and/or privileged information and is intended only for the addressee/s. Any unauthorised use of or reliance upon this material by persons or entities other than the addressee/s is prohibited. If you receive this information in error, please notify the sender and destroy any copies of the material immediately. -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Desmond Fraser Sent: Thursday, 25 April 2002 10:27 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: DSSS WLAN for Australia Hello Group: We recently received a certification granted for a 2.4 GHZ portable wireless LAN card. The device transmits between 2.4GHz and 2.472 GHz with maximum EIRP levels of less than 15mW. This device was FCC approved under 15.247, Specific absorption rate measurements were also performed. Does anyone know the following below for Australia. 1. Can the manufacturer use a DOC with an Australian agent? 2. Is the ctick-mark mandatory for the referenced devices? 3. Should an agency agreement exist between agent and the manufacturer? 4. Who applies for the Ctick mark? The agent or the manufacturer. 5. Are there any fees involved? 6. What is the typical time frames from submitting to actual approval. Thanks in advance Desmond A. Fraser Rhein Tech Labs, Inc. 360 Herndon PKWY, Suite 1400 Herndon, VA
RE: Medical Devices in Japan and Australia
Mike, For Australia, some of the standards you may wish to check include: Safety - AS/NZS 3200.X.X suite of standards (Approval and Test Specifications - Medical electrical equipment). These are based on the IEC 601-X-X suite of standards. EMC - AS/NZS 2064 (equivalent to CISPR 11 and EN55011) Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (including Australian Agent Services) (Legislation/Regulations/Standards) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:k...@compuserve.com (kevin.richard...@ieee.org - alternate email) The material transmitted in this message or contained in attachments to this message may contain confidential and/or privileged material and is intended only for the addressee. Any use of or reliance upon this material by persons or entities other than the addressee is prohibited. If you receive this in error, please notify the sender and destroy any copies of the material immediately. -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Mike Cantwell Sent: Friday, 25 January 2002 6:24 AM To: emc-pstc (E-mail) Subject: Medical Devices in Japan and Australia Does anyone know: 1) Standards for medical devices in Japan and Australia? 2) Approval procedure for medical devices in Japan and Australia? Any help/direction would be appreciated. Thanks, Mike Cantwell --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
RE: Australian Regulations Revision
To clarify John's comment, this is only in relation to EMC regulation. Many changes have been implemented - in NZ on 12 Oct 2001 and in Australia on 7 Dec 2001. Some of these changes include: - a fundamental change to close a loop-hole which excluded any equipment being hired/leased; - the inclusion of some battery devices which were previously excluded; - the explicit recognition of many CISPR, IEC, EN EMC standards and the ability to now sign a Declaration of Conformity (DoC) stating compliance with those standards whereas before compliance was required to the Australia/NZ equivalents and the DoC had to be signed to the Australian/NZ equivalents; and - probably most significantly, the signing of an MRA between Australia and NZ in late Nov 2001 which allows for compliance action taken in either Australia or NZ in relation to EMC being accepted as acceptable for both countries so that a single product Compliance Folder and DoC can be kept in either country and recognised in both. Obviously, as we are all compliance people, we all know that it is not quite as simple as it sounds from these few words but you get the gist. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:k...@compuserve.com (kevin.richard...@ieee.org - alternate email) The material transmitted in this message or contained in attachments to this message may contain confidential and/or privileged material and is intended only for the addressee. Any use of or reliance upon this material by persons or entities other than the addressee is prohibited. If you receive this in error, please notify the sender and destroy any copies of the material immediately. -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Mowbray, John H Sent: Sunday, 2 December 2001 6:18 AM To: 'EMC-PSTC' Subject: Australian Regulations Revision Although the comment period closed in October, you should be aware that Australian (and New Zealand) are in the process of adopting IEC, CISPR, and EN Standards, in general with a 2 year transition from the date of publication of the latest revision. For more information you should visit the Australian Communications Authority, or New Zealand Radio Frequency Agency web-site. John Mowbray NCR Canada --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
RE: Old Australian Safety Standard
Tony, Sorry not to have replied before now. Have been engrossed in other things and not able to respond to newsgroup mail for about 2 weeks. Not sure of the actual number of the Australian standard at the time however it was based on IEC 435 for data processing equipment and IEC 380 for office type equipment (typewriters etc). Will try to dig up the numbers for you. do you have a particular reason for this interest? Telecommunications equipment (at that time only modems and LIUs - Line Isolation Units) were required to comply with the then Telecom Australia Specification 1302. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:k...@compuserve.com (kevin.richard...@ieee.org - alternate email) The material transmitted in this message or contained in attachments to this message may contain confidential and/or privileged material and is intended only for the addressee. Any use of or reliance upon this material by persons or entities other than the addressee is prohibited. If you receive this in error, please notify the sender and destroy any copies of the material immediately. -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of tony.reyno...@pb.com Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2001 2:56 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Old Australian Safety Standard Hi, When testing in the UK was being done to BS5850:1981 (amended 1985) what was the standard being used in Australia for IT safety. I hope someone can remember. Thanks Tony Reynolds Principal Compliance Engineer Pitney Bowes Ltd --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
RE: Importing to Australia with a twist
Dave, Although there have been several answers to your questions I will send to you directly something I put together recently (one of my InfoSheets) to describe to situation and the issues for consideration plus an older InfoSheet re Australian legislation wording concerning the use of Agents. These should provide considerable detail and allow a clearer understanding. The first attachment is oriented towards my business of course but it will provide an insight into the issues in any event. ** If anyone else on the EMC-PSTC would like a copy let me know. If you do not have a local office in Australia and there will be only one importer of your product into Australia then the decisions are fairly simple (except for labelling as mentioned in one of the other replies - essentially, according to the legislation you may only label product after being authorised to do so therefore you can not ship labelled product to everyone). The more significant complications arise when there may be more than one importer of your product. In addition, a new issue to bear in mind is that from 12 Oct 2001 EMC compliance in Australia means that product can also be sold in NZ with no other actions required providing the product is labelled with the C-Tick (or A-Tick where the product is a telecoms product). If you let the importer take full responsibility however they will need to agree to assume full responsibility for any product labelled with their (the importer's) identification code (ACA Supplier's Code) used with the C-Tick. If you go the Agent route then the Agent can assume responsibility for all product sold in NZ as well as Australia. Hope the attachments in the separate email helps. Best regards, Kevin Richardson From myself and my company, to all Americans and the friends and families, both in America and all around the world, of those involved or lost in the horrific and unbelievable tragedy of 11 Sep 01 go our deepest, deepest heart felt sympathy. Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:k...@compuserve.com (kevin.richard...@ieee.org - alternate email) -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Dave Heald Sent: Thursday, 20 September 2001 2:19 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Importing to Australia with a twist Greetings all, I have an unusual question. Say my company was to sell an IT product to a North American or European client who then would place the product in Australia. We meet all of the EMC Safety requirements for Australia and have documentation, but here is the difficulty: Does my company need an agent/representative in Australia, or would our client suffice for these purposes? Also, do I need to register or otherwise apply with Australia before applying the C-Tick mark? (I assume yes but have been unable to find contact information) Best Regards, Dave Heald --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
RE: Australia Safety Agency Contact
Hi George, Sorry I could not get to EMC-PSTC issues earlier. Standards Australia are not the right people. they are only a standards development and publishing organisation (the National Standards body facilitating development of national standards where required and Australian participation in international standards activities etc). If I understand your need correctly, you want to bring into Australia a prototype AC/DC adapter (stand-alone Brick type power pack) for evaluation purposes prior to applying for the required certification/approvals etc. I am wondering what sort of evaluation are you considering and why do you need to do it? Unless it is reliability etc generally, you meet the requirements, the device is fine. The device you describe is categorised as a Declared Article and as such is required to be approved by an Electrical Authority in one of the Australian States or Territories prior to being placed on the market. The legislation/regulations etc actually do not prohibit you connecting such as device to the mains for evaluation purposes. The legislation/regulations control the sale of such devices. I can assist with or arrange testing and approval for you if required. Let me know if you need further help and we can possibly discuss it off-line. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:k...@compuserve.com (kevin.richard...@ieee.org - alternate email) -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of geor...@lexmark.com Sent: Wednesday, 25 July 2001 11:29 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Australia Safety Agency Contact Fellow PSEs, I need to ask a question about exporting a prototype AC/DC Adapter to Australia for evaluation prior to official certification of the equipment. It is my understanding that I need to contact the Standards Association of Australia (SAA), but cannot find a website or other contact info via the internet. Does anyone have such information at hand? Regards, George Alspaugh Lexmark International Inc. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: Australian power cable requirements.
Cameron, The issue may be associated with wire gauge as suggested by Bill Fleury. If the cordage is a 3 core flexible supply cord and the conductors have a cross sectional area of 0.5mm2 (0.5 square mm). This is not allowed under AS/NZS 3191 (see Note 2 to Table 2.17 of AS/NZS 3191). It could also be associated with insulation as suggested by Ray Russell. AS/NZS 3191 is Approval and test specification - Electric flexible cords. You can purchase with credit card and immediately download an electronic copy from Standards Australia (www.stadnards.com.au). No. I am not getting royalties from Standards Australia! Only wish I were. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:k...@compuserve.com (kevin.richard...@ieee.org - alternate email) -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Cameron O'phee Sent: Wednesday, 2 May 2001 10:23 AM To: 'EMC - PSTC Forum' Subject: Australian power cable requirements. Hi All, I have a situation where the test house I normally use for safety will accept SJT cordage for an internal power cable but a different test house will not. The power cable conducts 240v from one power supply to another, with both supplies internal to the machine. The second test house insists that the cordage must be H05VVF. Consequentely, I would like to know the difference in requirements between the US SJT cordage and European H05VVF. Regards, Cameron O'Phee. EMC Safety Precompliance. Aristocrat Technologies Australia. Telephone : +61 2 9697 4420 Facsimile : +61 2 9663 1412 Mobile : 0418 464 016 -- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE -- This email is intended only to be read or used by the addressee. The information contained in this e-mail message may be confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, interference with, distribution, disclosure or copying of this material is unauthorised and prohibited. Confidentiality attached to this communication is not waived or lost by reason of the mistaken delivery to you. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and notify us by return e-mail or telephone Aristocrat Technologies Australia Pty Limited on +61 2 9413 6300. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: Regulatory Information
Claudio, Concerning Australia The Australian standard AS3300 is the Australian equivalent standard to IEC 60335-1. The New Zealand standard NZS6300 is identical to AS3300. They are based on but not identical to IEC60335-1. An electronic copy of AS3300 can be purchased from Standards Australia at www.standards.com.au (use the search facility at top left corner of homepage and just insert the number 3300). Electrical safety approval may be required from one the Australian State/Territory Electrical Authorities depending upon the type and nature of the device. The mains power plug and cordage will probably require approval at least. For EMC requirements, see the ACA (Australian Communications Authority) web site at www.aca.gov.au/standards/index.htm. Look under Electromagnetic Compatibility Arrangements (EMC) heading. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:k...@compuserve.com (kevin.richard...@ieee.org - alternate email) -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Luiz Claudio Sent: Tuesday, 1 May 2001 9:04 AM To: 'emc-pstc' Subject: Regulatory Information Dear colleagues, My company's products are under the EN60335-1 (household appliance safety requirements). Since some countries have particular deviations from this standard, I am trying to gather information about these deviations in a single file. I would be very grateful if someone could send me any information concerning this subject particularly in the following countries: Australia Hong Kong Korea Philippines Saudi Arabia Singapore Taiwan Thailand I would also appreciate receiving information about: Voltage max/min limits Frequency Product Safety Certification Schemes Energy Efficiency Requirements (labeling / targets) EMC Requirements Environmental Requirements Any single note will be highly appreciated. Regards, Luiz --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: info on AS4295
Susan, AS 4295 can only be obtained (purchased) from Standards Australia (www.stadnards.com.au). You can purchase a PDF copy for immediate download (credit card purchase) by using the search section in the top left hand corner of the homepage. Not sure of price. Brief description: AS 4295-1995 Analogue speech (angle modulated) equipment operating in land mobile and fixed services bands in the frequency range 29.7 MHz to 1 GHz NOTE: There is also an Amendment to this standard (Amdt1:1995) Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology (Legislation/Regulations/Standards) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:k...@compuserve.com (kevin.richard...@ieee.org - alternate email) -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Beard, Susan (TRANS, GEHH) Sent: Wednesday, 2 May 2001 3:55 AM To: 'emc-p...@ieee.org' Subject: info on AS4295 Is the only way to obtain a copy of the Australian standard AS4295 to buy it from the ACA? Could anyone provide me with a synopsis of the requirement for radio receiver sensitivity of -113dBm for a SINAD of 12dB? Susan H. Beard 321-435-7762 Fax 321-435-7957 susan.be...@gehh.ge.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: AC Adapters in Australia
Richard, If by AC Adapter you mean a plug-pack stand-alone SELV type power supply (i.e. an Extra-Low Voltage Power Supply Unit) then it is a Declared Article and requires electrical approval (by one of the Australian State Electricity Authorities etc). I notice you picked up on for business use only. Although the Declared Articles listing does say that such devices only fall under the Declared Articles listing if they are of a household type, the Electricity Authorities consider all such devices can be of a household type unless they have a very unique means of connection between the AC Adapter and the equipment it supplies (i.e. most have relatively common means of connection enabling them to be used to power many other types of equipment, including household type equipment. My advice is - approval required Richard. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology Products and Services (Legislation/Regulations/Standards) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:k...@compuserve.com kevin.richard...@ieee.org k...@technologist.com (alternate internet) -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of wo...@sensormatic.com Sent: Tuesday, 16 January 2001 8:42 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: AC Adapters in Australia The subject is an AC adapter imported into Australia as part of non-telecom ITE for business use only. Is the AC Adapter for this particular application considered to be declared and thus subject to safety approval? Richard Woods --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: Australia Safety
Hi Richard, I am afraid I led you astray a little for NZ. This type of power supply does NOT require any form of approval presently in NZ. A little history These types of devices have not been required to be approved in NZ in the past. NZ is presently completely revamping their electrical regulations etc and were supposed to have a completely new list by now of those products which are required to gain approval etc. As part of this revamp, NZ was supposed to have modified the legislation and regulations to facilitate them being able to change which products were Declared Articles very quickly instead of the more cumbersome and lengthy process required now. The new regulations etc were also supposed to introduce a category of approval which required only that the manufacturer/supplier sign and hold a Declaration of Conformity. The new regulations/list of Declared Articles is not yet published (first cut is due around Dec 00). I understood that stand-alone power supplies were to be included on the new list of product requiring approval. First of all the new list is not yet produced and secondly I have now confirmed these type of devices will not be included, even in the second more thorough list scheduled for Feb 2001. It is possible these devices MAY be included in the product type listing which requires a DoC to be held on file etc but can not positively confirm this at this time. My apology for misleading you. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology Products and Services (Legislation/Regulations/Standards) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:k...@compuserve.com kevin.richard...@ieee.org k...@technologist.com (alternate internet) -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of wo...@sensormatic.com Sent: Tuesday, 10 October 2000 11:02 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Australia Safety Is safety certification mandatory in Australia or New Zealand for external power supply adapters such as the types used with laptop computers? If so, what is the mandatory safety standard and which agency certifications are accepted? Richard Woods --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: AS/NZS 3548 - conducted emissions on telecom ports?
David, I do not believe you have had anyone answer your question to the group. Sorry I have been away from the office a lot lately. Australia has not yet adopted the 1998 version of CISPR 22 or EN 55022. As you are probably aware, the latest version of AS/NZS 3548 is 1995. We will be commencing work shortly on updating AS/NZS 3548 to align with the latest version etc of CISPR etc. It is therefore not likely this will be completed year. At this time it is not clear if the conducted emissions requirements on telecom ports will be included in the new version or not. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology Products and Services (Legislation/Regulations/Standards) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:k...@compuserve.com kevin.richard...@ieee.org k...@technologist.com (alternate internet) -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of David Gelfand Sent: Tuesday, 19 September 2000 5:40 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: AS/NZS 3548 - conducted emissions on telecom ports? Hello group, Does Australia implement (or plan to implement) limits for conducted emissions on telecom ports as in EN 55022:1998? Also, who makes T-LISNs for these tests? Thanks, David. David Gelfand Regulatory Approvals Memotec Communications Inc. Montreal Canada --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
FYI - AS/NZS 60950 (new AS/NZS 3260) Just Published
Thought the group would be interested to know that the Australian equivalent of IEC 60950 3rd Edition has just been published (5 Jun 2000). The Australian equivalent to IEC 60950 has in the past been designated AS/NZS 3260 however, with Australia adopting the 3rd Edition of IEC 60950 we have redesignated its number to be in line with that of the IEC numbering, hence AS/NZS 60950. AS/NZS 60950 still has national deviations to that of IEC 60950 and as before (with AS/NZS 3260) these are identified throughout the standard by marginal bars plus as in past versions of AS/NZS 3260, these national deviations are detailed in Annex ZZ of the new AS/NZS 60950. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology Products and Services (Legislation/Regulations/Standards) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:kevin.richard...@ieee.org k...@technologist.com (alternate internet) --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: EMC and product safety split?
I also do not agree splitting this group into EMC and Safety is a good thing. I agree with comments from Chris Dupres and others that topical discussion in this group is wider than just EMC and Safety. I would hope that it remains so. Between this group and the TREG group as far as I am concerned all compliance type issues are covered and it would be a real shame to: a) fragment the group; and b) then have 2 groups instead of one to deal with; plus c) consequently have the topical areas for discussion reduced to that of just EMC and Safety. As others have mentioned, there are many issues which bridge both subject areas and in addition, there are other issues raised in this group which really do not fit in either the EMC or Safety subject areas. I would be really concerned as to where those issues would be addressed if this group was split and therefore restricted to just EMC and Safety. In fact, I believe the very reason this group is viewed to be the pre-eminent newsgroup for all issues compliance, especially EMC and Safety, (other than TREG) is because of the ability to put a question to such a wonderfully broad group of very experienced professionals (design engineers, testing engineers, standards experts, compliance experts and regulatory experts - have I left anybody out?) who are so willing to share their experience, opinions and TIME. One very recognized and very respected group of people to go to for help and you are almost positive of receiving very expert and qualified views concerning your question. The other important issue here is that the people in the group feed on one another (remind others of another point etc they may not have mentioned initially) in terms of a response to a question. This helps to draw out all the little pieces or information relating to a particular question and when all views/responses are compiled together the result is a very comprehensive response. I believe this feeding would be considerably reduced if this group were fragmented. Yes. It may be a little demanding to sift those email from the group which are of interest, particularly for those of us who on average receive anywhere from 30 to 100 emails a day. In my view however, dealing with subject matter that may not fall within your area of interest is a small price to pay for ensuring you do not miss priceless gems of information which do interest you and you may have missed under a more restricted subject scope. My thoughts, for what they are worth within such a multi-talented and helpful group of people. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited (Technology Standards, Regulations and Compliance) Ph: 02-4329-4070Fax:02-4328-5639 Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070 +61-2-4328-5639 Email: kevin.richard...@ieee.org k...@technologist.com (Alternate Internet) k...@compuserve.com (Compuserve) --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Pretty Park VIRUS ALERT
All, Be aware that an Australia test house has been infected with the PRETTY PARK.EXE virus and it appears emial is being sent to their email address listings with the Prett Park.exe virus attached. The email details are: FromGunther Theisz Subject of C:\CoolProgs\PrettyPark.exe. Text of email is: Test: Pretty Park.exe :) Gunther Theisz Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited (Technology Products Standards, Regulations and Compliance Specialists) Ph: 02-4329-4070Fax:02-4328-5639 Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070 +61-2-4328-5639 Email: k...@compuserve.com (Internet) kevin.richard...@ieee.org (Alternate Internet #1) k...@technologist.com (Alternate Internet #2) 100356,374 (Compuserve) - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
EN60950 3rd Edition?
Hi Ron, For Australia and New Zealand, AS/NZS 3260 closed it's public comment period on 7 Nov 99. Probably to be published early 2000. Also it will probably be numbered AS/NZS 60950 rather than than 3260. Best regards, Kevin Hello out there, I have some questions regarding the adoption if IEC60950 3rd Edition. 1) Now that IEC60950 3rd Ed. is now out and UL60950 3rd Ed. is out for review, when will EN60950 catch up and follow IEC60950 3rd Ed.? 2) And for that matter, how about AS/NZ 3260 and other 950 derivatives? 3) When will the CB Scheme adopt IEC60950 3rd Ed.? I'm trying to get a time frame when (if ever) the respective standards will be upgraded. And, I'm sure the group would be interested to know more. Anyone out there who has their ear into what's happening on these questions? Best regards, Ron Pickard rpick...@hypercom.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). --- Internet Header Sender: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org Received: from ruebert.ieee.org (ruebert.ieee.org [199.172.136.3]) by spdmgaac.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.7) with ESMTP id NAA03479; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 13:56:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by ruebert.ieee.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08716; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 13:52:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: EN60950 3rd Edition? To: emc-p...@ieee.org Cc: X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.1a August 17, 1999 Message-ID: ofc52cf83c.bf2f542d-on07256832.00665...@hypercom.com From: Ron Pickard/Hypercom/US rpick...@hypercom.com Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 11:48:45 -0700 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on AZPHXN01/Hypercom/US(Release 5.0.1a|August 17, 1999) at 11/23/99 11:48:46 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Ron Pickard/Hypercom/US rpick...@hypercom.com X-Resent-To: Multiple Recipients emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Listname: emc-pstc X-Info: Help requests to emc-pstc-requ...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Info: [Un]Subscribe requests to majord...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Moderator-Address: emc-pstc-appro...@majordomo.ieee.org Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited (Technology Products Standards, Regulations and Compliance Specialists) Ph: 02-4329-4070Fax:02-4328-5639 Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070 +61-2-4328-5639 Email: k...@compuserve.com (Internet) kevin.richard...@ieee.org (Alternate Internet #1) k...@technologist.com (Alternate Internet #2) 100356,374 (Compuserve) - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: IEC 364 - Definition of SELV
Hi Rich, Thank you for devoting so much time to reply. This is just what I needed. I am familiar with IEC 60950 and I wanted to be able to compare the definitions. Thank you. One other question to Rich or anyone else that can help. Is IEC 536 the base document for the definition of SELV? In addition to how SELV is expressed in IEC 364 I am also trying to confirm the base standard in the IEC responsible for the SELV definition. Is it IEC 536 or some other document? In which standard or guide is the term SELV spelt out (where it says that SELV means Safety Extra-Low Voltage)? There must be a base IEC document somewhere that defines the term. Best regards, Kevin Hi Kevin: Can anyone please provide the SELV definition from IEC 364? I'm working from some old documents, but... SELV is not expressly defined in IEC 364-4-41. Instead, it specifies Protection by safety extra-low voltage. It says: Protection against electric shock in normal service and in case of a fault is deemed to be ensured when: - the nominal voltage cannot exceed the upper limit of Voltage Band I*, - the supply is from one of the safety sources listed in Sub-clause 411.1.2, and - the conditions of Sub-clause 411.1.3 are fulfilled. *See IEC Publication 449: Voltage Bands for Electrical Installations of Buildings. The safety sources are: - a safety isolating transformer, - a source of current providing a degree of safety equivalent to that of the safety isolating transformer (e.g., motor generators with windings providing equivalent isolation), - an electrochemical source (e.g., a battery) or another source independent of a higher-voltage circuit (e.g., a diesel-driven generator, - certain electronic devices complying with appropriate standards where measure have been taken to ensure that, even in the case of aninternal fault, the voltage at the outgoing termainals cannot exceed the values specified in Sub-clause 411.1.1. The definition of SELV appears in IEC 536: A voltage which does not exceed 50 V ac rms between conductors, or between any conductor and earth, in a circuit which is isolated from the supply mains by means such as a safety isolating transformer or converter with separate windings. IEC 950 defines SELV CIRCUIT: A secondary circuit which is so designed and protected that under normal and single fault conditions, its voltages do not exceed a safe value. SELV is a special case of ELV, Extra Low Voltage. ELV is defined (or implied) as a maximum voltage value deemed not to cause an electric shock. SELV applies to an ELV where, in the absence of specific protective mechanisms, the ELV would exceed ELV under fault conditions. So, SELV implies ELV with some means to prevent the voltage from exceeding ELV limits in the event of a fault. A single-insulated transformer ELV secondary is ELV. A double-insulated transformer ELV secondary is SELV. An ELV battery is ELV. It may or may not be SELV, depending on your point of view. 1: Since the battery itself cannot exceed ELV under single- fault conditions, then it cannot be SELV. Or, 2: Since the battery itself cannot exceed ELV cannot exceed ELV under single-fault conditions, then it must be SELV. However, as defined, SELV implies an included protective mechanism to limit the voltage in the event of a fault. SELV also implies that the ELV is derived from a higher, non-ELV source. If you accept that a battery is ELV, then the safety standards require that the battery voltages cannot be touched! Best regards, Rich - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). --- Internet Header Sender: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Received: from ruebert.ieee.org (ruebert.ieee.org [199.172.136.3]) by spdmgaaf.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.7) with ESMTP id UAA01279; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 20:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ruebert.ieee.org (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id UAA19661; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 20:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 17:06:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Nute ri...@sdd.hp.com Message-Id: 199910270006.raa26...@epgc478.sdd.hp.com To: k...@compuserve.com Subject: Re: IEC 364 - Definition of SELV Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org In-Reply-To: 199910252120_mc2-8a6c-2...@compuserve.com from Kevin Richardson at Oct 25, 99 09:20:44 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer
TS 001 reports for power supplies
John, The PSU would not require independent TS001 testing. You are correct in that if equipment has a capability to connect to a public telecommunications network in Australia that equipment generally requires TS001 compliance and testing. An Example A server or router which has the capability to house several cards (some may be LAN cards etc and some may be cards which provide connection to a public network). The requirements would be: a) for the server/router host box - Compliance with EMC and EMR requirements (see www.aca.gov.au) - Must be safe as described in Australian Trade Practice laws and Electrical Regulations of Australia States (provinces) etc NOTE: For ITE equipment being safe generally equates to compliance with AS/NZS 3260 (or IEC60950 + Australian deviations); b) for cards providing connection to a public network - Comply with EMC and EMR requirements (see www.aca.gov.au) - Comply with Telecommunications requirements - this would include TS001 in most cases + various other ACA interworking standards (see www.aca.gov.au - Telecommunications Labelling Notice, Schedule #1) NOTE: TS001 testing would normally be carried out with card in situ in the server/router box Hope this helps. Best regards, Kevin All: In pursuing Australian approvals for ITE, I am getting requests for TS 001 reports for the system power supplies. These PSUs are embedded in the host ITE system (i.e., they are a component of that system), and the PSUs have CB Scheme reports that include the Australian variations. The systems have CB Scheme reports that include the PSU reports. I agree that the end system should have a TS 001 report, and if circuit packs are approved individually, those that connect to a telecom network should have TS 001 reports...but a power supply doesn't seem to fit the scope of TS 001. I have in the past supplied TS 001 reports for PSUs, but it seems silly, and I'd rather not do it unless it really is a requirement. John Boucher Lucent Technologies - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). --- Internet Header Sender: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Received: from ruebert.ieee.org (ruebert.ieee.org [199.172.136.3]) by spamgaaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.7) with ESMTP id SAA28440; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ruebert.ieee.org (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id RAA20695; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:54:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: 8ca3bc4def5ad2118b2600a0c959b33801f91...@drexch1.dr.lucent.com From: Boucher, John j...@bighorn.dr.lucent.com To: 'emc-p...@ieee.org' emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: TS 001 reports for power supplies Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 15:54:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Boucher, John j...@bighorn.dr.lucent.com X-Resent-To: Multiple Recipients emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Listname: emc-pstc X-Info: Help requests to emc-pstc-requ...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Info: [Un]Subscribe requests to majord...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Moderator-Address: emc-pstc-appro...@majordomo.ieee.org Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited (Technology Products Standards, Regulations and Compliance Specialists) Ph: 02-4329-4070Fax:02-4328-5639 Int'l: +61-2-44329-4070+61-2-4328-5639 Email: k...@compuserve.com (Internet) kevin.richard...@ieee.org (Alternate Internet #1) k...@technologist.com (Alternate Internet #2) 100356,374 (Compuserve) - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: IEC 60990 Vs IEC 60950
on this topic - especially anyone on the list who is closely involved in standards writing. Maybe if enough people agree with me I could turn this into a comment to be sent to someone who ought to listen. Regards Nick. At 12:17 -0400 24/9/99, Peter E. Perkins wrote: PSNet The announcement of the availability of the update to IEC 60990, shown below, has been circulating for a short time now. As Convenor (Chairman) of this committee I had not generally circulated it to the PSNet since it is not a product standard but a basic standard to be used by product standards writing committees. As is usually the case, the information in basic standards is excerpted or summarized in product standards. Two IEC committees have been integrating this information into their product standards for some time; IEC TC66/IEC 61010 (and the 1010 derivitive EN, CSA and UL standards) and IEC TC74/IEC 60950 (and the 950 derivitive EN, CSA and UL standards). The implementation of these requirements into these two standards families is done in a slightly different way and neither is a full copy of the IEC 60990 set of recommended requirements. The certification requirements for the products are contained in the end product standard. We expect to see ongoing changes to the measurement of touch current at the product level to accommodate the introduction of new technology which changes touch current and exposes the user to this aspect of electric shock in some new way. If you are a designer of test equipment making this measurement or want to see the latest information regarding the measurement of touch current you should buy a copy of this standard. - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). --- Internet Header Sender: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Received: from ruebert.ieee.org (ruebert.ieee.org [199.172.136.3]) by spamgaac.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.7) with ESMTP id GAA25588; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 06:03:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ruebert.ieee.org (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id GAA08119; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 06:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Sender: nick@192.168.1.2 Message-Id: v04020a02b4161c4d6bc7@[192.168.1.12] In-Reply-To: 199909241217_mc2-8625-6...@compuserve.com Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 08:49:47 +0100 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org From: Nick Williams n...@conformance.co.uk Subject: Re: IEC 60990 Vs IEC 60950 Sender: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Nick Williams n...@conformance.co.uk X-Resent-To: Multiple Recipients emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Listname: emc-pstc X-Info: Help requests to emc-pstc-requ...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Info: [Un]Subscribe requests to majord...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Moderator-Address: emc-pstc-appro...@majordomo.ieee.org Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited (Technology Products Standards, Regulations and Compliance Specialists) Ph: 02-4329-4070Fax:02-4328-5639 Int'l: +61-2-44329-4070+61-2-4328-5639 Email: k...@compuserve.com (Internet) kevin.richard...@ieee.org (Alternate Internet #1) k...@technologist.com (Alternate Internet #2) 100356,374 (Compuserve) - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
China Standard for ITE product
Jess, I believe it is GB 4943 but it is only based on IEC 60950 and compliance with IEC 60950 does not equate to compliance with GB4943. You may wish to know also that GB 1002 is a Chinese standard for mains power plugs. Best regards, Kevin Hi, Could someone please advise as what is the China standard(GB ???) that is equivalent to IEC950 (for I.T.E. product)? Thanks in advance ! Jess - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). --- Internet Header Sender: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Received: from ruebert.ieee.org (ruebert.ieee.org [199.172.136.3]) by hpamgaad.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-1.8) with ESMTP id WAA10932; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ruebert.ieee.org (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id WAA15761; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:41:06 -0400 (EDT) From: sb...@ctlsg.creaf.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: CREATIVE@CREAF To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) emc-p...@ieee.org Message-ID: 482567ca.000f006b...@ctlsgg01.ctlsg.creaf.com Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:43:36 +0800 Subject: China Standard for ITE product Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sb...@ctlsg.creaf.com X-Resent-To: Multiple Recipients emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Listname: emc-pstc X-Info: Help requests to emc-pstc-requ...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Info: [Un]Subscribe requests to majord...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Moderator-Address: emc-pstc-appro...@majordomo.ieee.org Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited (Technology Requirements Specialists) Ph: 02-4329-4070 Fax: 02-4328-5639 Int'l +61-2-432x- Email: k...@compuserve.com (Internet) kevin.richard...@ieee.org (Alternate Internet #1) k...@technologist.com (Alternate Internet #2) 100356,374 (Compuserve) - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Australia vs. New Zealand
Dan, Very briefly, in terms of technical requirements - NONE. Australia and New Zealand both require most ITT products comply with AS/NZS 3548 (joint Aust/NZ standard) or CISPR 22 or EN 55022. In terms of compliance actions and records required there is some difference. Australia requires similar actions and records as that of Europe ie establish product Compliance Folder [CF] and include: a) signed Australian Declaration of Conformity (DoC) [must be signed by person in Australia and kept in CF at all times]; and b) product description plus photos etc (or pointers to them - ie may be held overseas); c) EMC test report to one of the 3 standards mentioned above (or pointers to it - ie may be held overseas). Once the above has been completed, label the product with the C-Tick mark and supplier ID.Before placing mark on any product the organisation must be registered with the ACA in Australia to use mark. ACA is Australian regulator - http://www.aca.gov.au NZ, requires you to submit a signed EMC DoC to the NZ Ministry of Commerce (MoC) . The major differences to the Australian process is: a) the DoC can be signed by an overseas person; b) there is a submission fee associated with every DoC submitted. (approx NZ$170 is typical for non NZ based organizations); c) no product Compliance Folder is required to be established and no test report is required to be held; Labelling product for compliance is not mandatory in NZ but enthusiastically encouraged by the NZ MoC (C-Tick is accepted - must be registered with MoC in NZ to use before placing mark on any product). NZ MoC is NZ regulator - http://www.moc.govt.nz NOTE: An MRA (Mutual Recognition Agreement) between Australia and NZ on 1 Jun 2000 and from that time there will be common process and records requirements as well as common technical requirements. In addition, once all the necessary actions are performed in either country to comply no further actions will be required for compliance in the other country. If you need more detail please contact me directly. Please see my contact details at the very bottom of the email. Best regards, Kevin Greetings, Does anyone know what the differences there are between the New Zealand and Australian EMC regulations? I know they are trying to harmonize but if someone could either tell me or point me to a web page it would certainly be appreciated. Thanks, Dan ___ Daniel W. Biggs Test Engineer HW Development Process Engineering Services daniel.bi...@cho.ge.com GE Fanuc Automation PO Box 8106 Charlottesville, VA 22906 PH: (804) 978-6946 Fax: (804) 978-5588 - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). --- Internet Header Sender: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Received: from ruebert.ieee.org (ruebert.ieee.org [199.172.136.3]) by hpamgaab.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-1.8) with ESMTP id OAA20420; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ruebert.ieee.org (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id OAA03485; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: 6cde92ac7a77d211b86c00805fea2ac25b2...@vacho2misge.cho.ge.com From: Biggs, Daniel (IndSys, GEFanuc, NA) bigg...@gemischova.ge.com To: 'EMC forum' emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Australia vs. New Zealand Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:37:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Biggs, Daniel (IndSys, GEFanuc, NA) bigg...@gemischova.ge.com X-Resent-To: Multiple Recipients emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Listname: emc-pstc X-Info: Help requests to emc-pstc-requ...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Info: [Un]Subscribe requests to majord...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Moderator-Address: emc-pstc-appro...@majordomo.ieee.org Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited (Technology Requirements Specialists) Ph: 02-4329-4070 Fax: 02-4328-5639 Int'l +61-2-432x- Email: k...@compuserve.com (Internet) kevin.richard...@ieee.org (Alternate Internet #1) k...@technologist.com (Alternate Internet #2) 100356,374 (Compuserve) - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Just safety - nnot telecomunications
or find a link that doesn't tie into the telecommunications. Rat Farts! Thanks Gary - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). --- Internet Header Sender: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Received: from ruebert.ieee.org (ruebert.ieee.org [199.172.136.3]) by hpamgaab.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-1.5) with ESMTP id UAA07972; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 20:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ruebert.ieee.org (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id UAA25356; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 20:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: a821af2b0a8cd211b34900e0b104148cad7...@steam.corp.packetengines.com From: Gary McInturff gmcintu...@packetengines.com To: 'emc-pstc list server' emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Just safety - nnot telecomunications Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 17:29:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Gary McInturff gmcintu...@packetengines.com X-Resent-To: Multiple Recipients emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Listname: emc-pstc X-Info: Help requests to emc-pstc-requ...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Info: [Un]Subscribe requests to majord...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Moderator-Address: emc-pstc-appro...@majordomo.ieee.org Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited (Technology Requirements Specialists) Ph: 02-4329-4070 Fax: 02-4328-5639 Int'l +61-2-432x- Email: k...@compuserve.com (Internet) kevin.richard...@ieee.org (Alternate Internet #1) k...@technologist.com (Alternate Internet #2) 100356,374 (Compuserve) - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). --- Internet Header Sender: bar...@melbpc.org.au Received: from emu.melbpc.org.au (emu.melbpc.org.au [203.12.152.14]) by hpamgaad.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-1.5) with ESMTP id JAA10487 for k...@compuserve.com; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from primary (b3-52.melbpc.org.au [203.12.155.52]) by emu.melbpc.org.au (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA18866; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 23:09:45 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: 001f01becdf9$d0315f80$349b0ccb@primary Reply-To: Barry Esmore bar...@melbpc.org.au From: Barry Esmore bar...@melbpc.org.au To: Kevin Richardson k...@compuserve.com, Gary McInturff gmcintu...@packetengines.com Cc: 'emc-pstc list server' emc-p...@ieee.org References: 199907140409_mc2-7cec-8...@compuserve.com Subject: Re: Just safety - nnot telecomunications Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 23:07:10 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited (Technology Requirements Specialists) Ph: 02-4329-4070 Fax: 02-4328-5639 Int'l +61-2-432x- Email: k...@compuserve.com (Internet) kevin.richard...@ieee.org (Alternate Internet #1) k...@technologist.com (Alternate Internet #2) 100356,374 (Compuserve) - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Just safety - nnot telecomunications
Gary, The ACA (Australian Communications Authority) is only responsible for EMC, Radcoms and Telecommunications. It is not responsible for any other type of product. The safety of any product placed on the Australian market is controlled by trade practices type legislation and essentially requires that any product meets the appropriate and relevant standards for such products. In the case of IT equipment the relevant standard is AS/NZS 3260 (Australia's version of IEC 950). NOTE: AS/NZS 3260 is essentially the same as IEC 950 however compliance with IEC 950 by itself is not considered sufficient in many cases. If you have your product tested for IEC 950 PLUS Australian deviations in a CB accredited lab you will have no problems. In terms of electrical safety the Australian State regulatory authorities have listings of Declared Articles (used to be known as Prescribed Articles) and if the device/item is included in the Declared Articles listing, formal approval is required with an electrical authority (utility provider) in one of the Australian States (approval in one State is accepted in all other States). In essence, the only thing at the moment impacting IT equipment on the Declared Articles listing is a detachable power cord. There is not much available on the internet regarding these requirements. You could check the following URL for a very basic few paragraphs on what the State of New South Wales (Sydney is in the State of New South Wales) has available on the internet. there is no documentation however: http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/Products.nsf/All+Products+Docs/37A6ECBE54 30E7384A25677C002C04B0?OpenDocument Summary For IT equipment, no approval is required, except for the possibility of a detachable power cord. An electrical authority in any Australian State has the power however to request evidence of compliance with the appropriate electrical safety standard for any product offered for sale in that State. Usually this only occurs when a complaint is made about some equipment or an incident occurs. It is my recommendation any supplier ensure they are able to provide at short notice (10 days) a test report, by a reputable laboratory, demonstrating compliance with AS/NZS 3260 or IEC 950 plus Australian deviations. Hope this helps. For more detailed information contact me directly (see bottom of email for contact info). Best regards, Kevin I'm pretty frustrated trying to officially determine the safety requirements for Australia. I can't seem to get a handle on the ITE - but not telecommunications - stuff. The EMC I have handled but want to confirm what safety standards I need to meet. Again, I've tried the ACA URL http://www.aca.gov.au/_vti_bin/shtml.exe/search.htm http://www.aca.gov.au/_vti_bin/shtml.exe/search.htm without success. They have not responded, but there site seems to address only the EMC and safety requirements of telecommunications equipment. What is the status on just good ol' safety for ITE. Anybody have a different URL than the above. I apologize for asking this question when we just went through it not too long ago, but I took the URL and thought I was home free but I'm unable to get ACA to respond to the e-mail or find a link that doesn't tie into the telecommunications. Rat Farts! Thanks Gary - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). --- Internet Header Sender: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Received: from ruebert.ieee.org (ruebert.ieee.org [199.172.136.3]) by hpamgaab.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-1.5) with ESMTP id UAA07972; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 20:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ruebert.ieee.org (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id UAA25356; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 20:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: a821af2b0a8cd211b34900e0b104148cad7...@steam.corp.packetengines.com From: Gary McInturff gmcintu...@packetengines.com To: 'emc-pstc list server' emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Just safety - nnot telecomunications Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 17:29:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Gary McInturff gmcintu...@packetengines.com X-Resent-To: Multiple Recipients emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Listname: emc-pstc X-Info: Help requests to emc-pstc-requ...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Info: [Un]Subscribe requests to majord...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Moderator-Address: emc-pstc-appro...@majordomo.ieee.org Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited (Technology Requirements Specialists) Ph: 02-4329-4070 Fax
RE: CISPR 22 equal to EN55022?
Richard, Doesn't the answer really depend on what the context of the real question is? For example if you are asking from a purely technical point of view I believe the answer is ... it depends on which versions of each standard you are comparing. In my understanding there have been times when the EN55022 was identical to CISPR22 but not always. If however, you are asking the question from a regulatory compliance point of view then the answer is ... for some regulators (particularly outside Europe), whether the two standards are technically identical or not is irrelevant as they accept compliance with either standard as compliance with their regulatory requirements. Best regards, Kevin Stanimore Pty Limited IMHO, As I understand it the latest Amendments of CISPR22 are not necessarily in EN55022. Indeed they may be modified or rejected by the EU and so they may NOT be the same. Thank you Charles Grasso StorageTek 2270 Sth 88th Street Louisville CO 80027 Tel: (303)673-2908 Fax(303)661-7115 -- From: Richard Cass[SMTP:richard_c...@irisinc.scitex.com] Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 1:59 PM To: 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org' Subject:RE: CISPR 22 equal to EN55022? Surprisingly, I never got an answer on this. Perhaps many of thought that it was so simple that someone was bound to answer. For the exorbitant cost of this service you would think that I would get better service than this. ;-) Rich C. -Original Message- From: Richard Cass [mailto:richard_c...@irisinc.scitex.com] Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 3:55 PM To: 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org' Subject: CISPR 22 equal to EN55022? Neophyte question of the week. If a supplier of a product claims compliance to CISPR 22, is this exactly equivalent to EN55022 (assuming you have met all the latest amendments) for the purposes of CE marking? - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). --- Internet Header Sender: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Received: from ruebert.ieee.org (ruebert.ieee.org [199.172.136.3]) by hpamgaad.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-1.5) with ESMTP id UAA19913; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 20:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ruebert.ieee.org (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id UAA06448; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 20:43:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: 800462a7bbc3d011b7f300805fe2c57f0406f...@lsv-msg01.stortek.com From: Grasso, Charles (Chaz) gra...@louisville.stortek.com To: 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org' emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org, 'Richard Cass' richard_c...@irisinc.scitex.com Subject: RE: CISPR 22 equal to EN55022? Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 18:40:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Grasso, Charles (Chaz) gra...@louisville.stortek.com X-Resent-To: Multiple Recipients emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Listname: emc-pstc X-Info: Help requests to emc-pstc-requ...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Info: [Un]Subscribe requests to majord...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Moderator-Address: emc-pstc-appro...@majordomo.ieee.org Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited (Technology Requirements Specialists) Ph: 02-4329-4070 Fax: 02-4328-5639 Int'l +61-2-432x- Email: k...@compuserve.com (Internet) kevin.richard...@ieee.org (Alternate Internet #1) k...@technologist.com (Alternate Internet #2) 100356,374 (Compuserve) - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Cost associated with Australian C-tick
an Australian company to sign the DOC and hold the compliance folder. Hope this helps. Regards Barry Esmore AUS-TICK (Australian Approval Consultants) Phone:+ 61 3 9886 1345 Fax: + 61 3 9884 7272 Email:bar...@melbpc.org.au -- From: Richard Cass richard_c...@irisinc.scitex.com To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Cost associated with Australian C-tick Date: Thursday, 8 April 1999 6:48 Can anyone tell me the APPROXIMATE cost (just need the right number of zeros) if any, in US Dollars, for obtaining the C-Tick mark under the auspices of their EMC Framework? This would include one time or recurring costs. This would be for ITE equipment. The relevant Australian emissions standard is apparently AS/NZS 3548. At the present time all of our products are verified for European Union conformity to the fully equivalent EN55022:1994+A1:1995+A2:1997. So, in theory, it should just be a paper work exercise. I am just trying to find out what the costs are associated with that exercise. Also, can we as a US based manufacturer submit our application directly to SMA or do we need an intermediary or an in country representative? If anyone in the Australian SMA is on this distribution, I'd be ecstatic to hear from you TIA. Regards, Richard Cass Iris Graphics, Inc. Bedford MA 01730 USA 781 2760-5424 - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). --- Internet Header Sender: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Received: from ruebert.ieee.org (ruebert.ieee.org [199.172.136.3]) by hpamgaab.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-1.1) with ESMTP id TAA05877; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 19:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ruebert.ieee.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA29448; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 19:33:45 -0400 (EDT) From: eric.lif...@natinst.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: NIC To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org cc: richard_c...@irisinc.scitex.com Message-ID: 8625674d.006fcfdc...@notesmta.natinst.com Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 16:36:04 -0500 Subject: Re: Cost associated with Australian C-tick Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eric.lif...@natinst.com X-Resent-To: Multiple Recipients emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Listname: emc-pstc X-Info: Help requests to emc-pstc-requ...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Info: [Un]Subscribe requests to majord...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Moderator-Address: emc-pstc-appro...@majordomo.ieee.org Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited (Technology Requirements Specialists) Ph: 02-4329-4070Email: k...@compuserve.com (Internet) Fax: 02-4328-5639 k...@technologist.com (Alternate Internet) Int'l +61-2-432x- 100356,374 (Compuserve) - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Cost associated with Australian C-tick
Richard, I am not with the SMA (actually, it is now the ACA - Australian Communications Authority - responsible for telecoms, EMC radcom licensing etc) but I may be able to help a little. I own and run a consulting business specializing in regulatory requirements in Australia and NZ. I have been involved with the ACA and their predecessors for the last 18 years so I am reasonably familiar with the requirements and as well, I know most of the senior people within the ACA fairly well. I am not sure what costs you are referring to but in terms of actual fees, there are none in relation to registering to use the C-tick mark. Only an AUSTRALIAN organisation can submit the application to be registered to use the mark and this is acknowledged by the ACA and the orgainsation is issued with a unique ACA Suppliers Code (supplier/manufacturer identifier) and that is it. As such only an Australian organisation may be issued with an ACA Suppliers Code. All product must be labelled with the C-tick mark plus a supplier/manufacturer identifier such as a Trade Mark, full company name of Supplier Code etc. The choice must be indicated on the application to be registered to use the C-tick mark. The point being however, any overseas manufacturer must have a local representative, registered to use the mark (local office or OEM etc). Costs in terms of work/resource required initially and in respect of each product introduced is a different matter of course. As you are probably aware, a product Compliance folder must be established for each product, Australian Declarations of Conformity prepared and signed etc. You test reports to EN 55022 would be acceptable in lieu of AS/NZS 3548. Hope this helps. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited (Technology Requirements Specialists) Ph: 02-4329-4070Email: k...@compuserve.com (Internet) Fax: 02-4328-5639 k...@technologist.com (Alternate Internet) Int'l +61-2-432x- 100356,374 (Compuserve) Can anyone tell me the APPROXIMATE cost (just need the right number of zeros) if any, in US Dollars, for obtaining the C-Tick mark under the auspices of their EMC Framework? This would include one time or recurring costs. This would be for ITE equipment. The relevant Australian emissions standard is apparently AS/NZS 3548. At the present time all of our products are verified for European Union conformity to the fully equivalent EN55022:1994+A1:1995+A2:1997. So, in theory, it should just be a paper work exercise. I am just trying to find out what the costs are associated with that exercise. Also, can we as a US based manufacturer submit our application directly to SMA or do we need an intermediary or an in country representative? If anyone in the Australian SMA is on this distribution, I'd be ecstatic to hear from you TIA. Regards, Richard Cass Iris Graphics, Inc. Bedford MA 01730 USA 781 2760-5424 - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). --- Internet Header Sender: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Received: from ruebert.ieee.org (ruebert.ieee.org [199.172.136.3]) by hpamgaaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA17861; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:06:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ruebert.ieee.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA03863; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 16:45:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: 307b0b9acbe7d2119c8400104b9a7cd603c...@irisex01.iris.scitex.com From: Richard Cass richard_c...@irisinc.scitex.com To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Cost associated with Australian C-tick Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 16:48:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Richard Cass richard_c...@irisinc.scitex.com X-Resent-To: Multiple Recipients emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Listname: emc-pstc X-Info: Help requests to emc-pstc-requ...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Info: [Un]Subscribe requests to majord...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Moderator-Address: emc-pstc-appro...@majordomo.ieee.org Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited (Technology Requirements Specialists) Ph: 02-4329-4070Email: k...@compuserve.com (Internet) Fax: 02-4328-5639 k...@technologist.com (Alternate Internet) Int'l +61-2-432x- 100356,374 (Compuserve) - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send
RE: Flight restrictions
In Australia, domestically and on most international routes, mobile phones are not to be turned on or used while in flight at all. Other electronic devices such as laptops, electronic games, video cameras etc are permitted to be used but only after reaching cruise altitude (ie not to be used during take-off or landing). I am not aware of any plans to change this at present. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Specialists in Technology Requirements and Compliance Ph: 02-43-29-4070 Fax: 02-43-28-5639 Int'l: +61-2-43-2x- Email: k...@compuserve.com (Internet) or k...@technologist.com (Internet) or 100356,374 (Compuserve) - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: C-Tick importer variation
...@cyberway.com.sg] Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 12:08 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: C-Tick importer variation Hi, I have a doubts here regarding the Australia EMC framework. Electronic products importing into AS/NZ requires to comply to EMI (emission) requirement and the respsonble party need to declare the DoC. He would need to hold the DoC with supporting documents. Test reports from recognise test house would be preferred. Let narrow down to the following assumption. The electronic product does not have connection to telephone network and no AC power input. The responsible party be an importer. And all products from my company is imported thru them. The test house is either NATA accredited or having MRA with NATA accreditation. The C-Tick mark is having supplier code used on the label. Now the situation is that our importer has registered with ACA(say having N123). We are purchasing/OEM products from supplier A. The supplier A is having their Australian importer (say N555) on the product label. What are my options for importing the product into AS/NZ in respect to which supplier code to use. Questions: 1) Are we allow to use N555? If yes, what documents, proof or/and letters do we need from the supplier? 2) Do our importer needs to declare the DoC? 3) If we are requesting the supplier to change the brandname on the product label, is N555 still applicable? How about change of model # too? 4) If we are to remove N555 on the product and use N123, is re-testing required? 5) If there's product non-conformance found in the market, who will be the responsible one? Who would be audited, and for worst case, who would be fine? Your feedback/advice is much appreciated. Regards Koh - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Specialists in Technology Requirements and Compliance Ph: 02-43-29-4070 Fax: 02-43-28-5639 Int'l: +61-2-43-2x- Email: k...@compuserve.com (Internet) or k...@technologist.com (Internet) or 100356,374 (Compuserve) - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
CE marking - self-certification
In reply to Pete Perkins, The issue Pete raises regarding the legal liability for any individual signing a Declaration of Conformity for Europe is often not considered with the respect it sometimes deserves. A similar situation applies in Australia relating to the use of the C-tick and A-tick marks. There is a legal liability and penalty for both the organisation responsible and the individual who signs a Declaration of Conformity falsely etc. Best regards, Kevin Sender: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Received: from ruebert.ieee.org (ruebert.ieee.org [199.172.136.3]) by dub-img-11.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.18) with ESMTP id PAA17841; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:25:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by ruebert.ieee.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA21646; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:25:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:20:55 -0500 From: Peter E. Perkins peperk...@compuserve.com Subject: CE marking - self-certification To: PSNetwork emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Message-ID: 199903021521_mc2-6c74-a...@compuserve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ruebert.ieee.org id PAA21632 Sender: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Peter E. Perkins peperk...@compuserve.com X-Resent-To: Multiple Recipients emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Listname: emc-pstc X-Info: Help requests to emc-pstc-requ...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Info: [Un]Subscribe requests to majord...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Moderator-Address: emc-pstc-appro...@majordomo.ieee.org PSNet This ongoing discussion of self certification brings to the surface several issues... In applying the CE marking to equipment, the manufacturer must sign the Manufacturer's Declaration of Conformity. In doing so, it must include a list of the Directives and Standards that the manufacturer claims to meet. The manufacturer is allowed to do all the work to ascertain compliance without the use of any outside help. In fact, that is commonly encouraged by the EU. In looking at the practicallity of this, hardly any small companies have the resources of an in-house, full EMC lab to determine the acceptability of their product to meet these requirements. So, this is often hired out. On the mechanical and electrical safety side, most engineering departments feel that they can properly assess their equipement against the requirements. This is usually the point of discussion of self-certification. Just one reminder, however, that the person who signs the MDoC for the company bears personal criminal liability in EU law if they sign falsely. So, the signer should ask carefully if the evaluators of the equipment not only understood the technical requirements, but do they understand the usual European interpretation of these requirements. If there is any doubt in having this Euro understanding, the use of a Notified Body on the first few projects will go a long way in assuring that the Euro interpretation is understood and used in the product evaluation. So it costs a lot of money, you say... What's it worth to insure that you don't get harassed about your meeting the requiements by some NCB who is following up on a complaint... or worse, find yourself not being able to defend compliance to the requirments because you didn't understand the usual Euro interpretation of the requirements... This little homily can, again, be classified as a word to the wise or deficient... pick your poison... - - - - - Peter E Perkins Principal Product Safety Consultant Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 +1/503/452-1201 phone/fax p.perk...@ieee.org email visit our website: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/peperkins - - - - - - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Specialists in Technology Requirements and Compliance Ph: 02-43-29-4070 Fax: 02-43-28-5639 Int'l: +61-2-43-2x- Email: k...@compuserve.com (Internet) or k...@technologist.com (Internet) or 100356,374 (Compuserve) - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com
RE: Radio Frequency - Definition
Mike, et al, I had a reasonable idea what the IEEE dictionary said although I do not have a copy myself. the problem being I find it a little contradictory and tend to agree with the comments from Douglas McLean in that although the IEEE say RF is between the audio and infrared spectrum it suggests that practicable limits are down to . This is well within the audio band. You see my problem. As Douglas suggests I believe it can be much lower than that even. I was really wondering if there was any official cut off point for an RF frequency (ie when the frequency is something other than an RF frequency). My interest is in terms of EMC as suggested in my original message with the reference to CISPR 14. I should have explained then that I had an idea of the definitions from the IEC and IEEE but they both seem to be a little contradictive as mentioned earlier. The term Radio Frequency Energy is also used in CISPR 14. -- Forwarded Message -- From: Mike Hopkins, INTERNET:mhopk...@keytek.com TO: EMC-PSTC - IEEE, INTERNET:emc-p...@ieee.org 'Kevin Richardson', kr_1 DATE: 6/01/99 1:40 AM RE: RE: Radio Frequency - Definition Sender: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Received: from ruebert.ieee.org (ruebert.ieee.org [199.172.136.3]) by hil-img-7.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.17) with ESMTP id JAA00398; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 09:40:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by ruebert.ieee.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA16789; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 09:34:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: 2f2e6bcc10d3d11180f30060081c6b8f1ad...@comserver.keytek.com From: Mike Hopkins mhopk...@keytek.com To: 'Kevin Richardson' k...@compuserve.com, EMC-PSTC - IEEE emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Radio Frequency - Definition List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 09:34:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Mike Hopkins mhopk...@keytek.com X-Resent-To: Multiple Recipients emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Listname: emc-pstc X-Info: Help requests to emc-pstc-requ...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Info: [Un]Subscribe requests to majord...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Moderator-Address: emc-pstc-appro...@majordomo.ieee.org Per IEEE 100-1988 Standard Dictionary of Electrical and Electronics Terms (A) (Loosly). The frequency in the portion of the electromagnetic spectrum that is between the audio-frequency portion and the infrared portion. (B) The frequency useful for radio transimision. Note: The present practicable limits of radio frequency are roughly 10kHz (kilohertz) to 100 000 MHz (megahertz). Within this frequency range electromagnetic radiation may be detected and amplified as an electric current at the wave frequency. Mike Hopkins mhopk...@keytek.com -Original Message- From: Kevin Richardson [SMTP:k...@compuserve.com] Sent: Monday, January 04, 1999 9:30 PM To: EMC-PSTC - IEEE Subject: Radio Frequency - Definition I am trying to find definitions for two terms: a) Radio Frequency ie what is radio frequency, and what frequencies are recognized as being RF rather than what may be practical for transmission purposes ?; and b) radio frequency energy (used in the first paragraph of the scope of CISPR 14 and on a few other occasions throughout the standard) Can anyone provide a pointer to what could be recognized as an official definitions for these terms? Any input would be most appreciated. Thank you. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Specialists in Technology Requirements and Compliance Ph: 02-43-29-4070 Fax: 02-43-28-5639 Int'l: +61-2-43-2x- Email: k...@compuserve.com (Internet) or k...@technologist.com (Internet) or 100356,374 (Compuserve) - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
EMC Requirements for Microphones
Hello, Does anyone have any information regarding how microphones are covered by European EMC requirements and regulations. I understand 89/392/EEC does not mention microphones but as most regulations/standards do not provide a definitive listing of all products types covered I am wondering if this really means microphones are not covered by the EMC regulations/Directives etc. I am interested in finding out if there are any EMC requirements for any types of microphones (ie dynamic, condenser and radio). Regarding radio microphones and their receiver units: I do not believe there would be any requirements for the radio microphone itself as it is an international transmitter and therefore not intended to be covered but what about the receiver unit? Are the receiver units and the radio microphone treated as a system and because the system involves an intentional transmitter EMC is not required or is the receiver unit treated separately as a sound/audio receiver ie CISPR13/EN55013 ? Any help/information would be appreciated. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Ph: 02-43-29-4070 Fax: 02-43-28-5639 Int'l: +61-2-43-2x- Email: k...@compuserve.com (Internet) k...@technologist.com (alternate Internet) 100356,374 (Compuserve) - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Interpretation of Australian Standard TS001
John, This clause means that IF a detachable plug is used it should not be of a type which is normally used to connect to the network. In other words, if you disconnect the cable from the CE to the LIU, at the LIU, you should not be able to then plug that cable (coming directly from the CE) into a standard network line connection socket. Hope this clears it up a little. Best regards, Kevin Sender: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Received: from ruebert.ieee.org (ruebert.ieee.org [199.172.136.3]) by arl-img-9.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.12) with ESMTP id LAA07709; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:35:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ruebert.ieee.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA21826 for emc-pstc-resent; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:07:29 -0400 (EDT) From: f...@netc.ie Date: Wed, 26 Aug 98 14:56:55 Message-Id: 9807269041.aa904168...@netc.netc.ie To: emc-p...@ieee.org, emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Interpretation of Australian Standard TS001 Sender: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: f...@netc.ie X-Resent-To: Multiple Recipients emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Listname: emc-pstc X-Info: Help requests to emc-pstc-requ...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Info: [Un]Subscribe requests to majord...@majordomo.ieee.org X-Moderator-Address: emc-pstc-appro...@majordomo.ieee.org Hi all, I have a question regarding TS001 - 1997 which is an Australian Standard for safety of telecoms equipment for customer use. Clause 5.3 permits the use of a separate Line Isolation Unit which is connected between the telecoms device, typically a modem, and the network. The purpose of this LIU is to provide electrical separation from the network to SELV, in the case where the device itself does not provide that separation. Clause 5.3.2 allows three methods to prevent the possibility of the LIU being bypassed, resulting in the device being directly connected to the network. The first method is the Use of detachable cabling that will not allow direct connection of CE to a telecommunications network My question is should the above sentence read non-detachable istead of detachable? Otherwise can anybody shed some light on the intent? All comments appreciated. John Fee f...@netc.ie - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discu Best regards, Kevin RichardsonPh: 02-43-29-4070 Stanimore Pty Limited Fax: 02-43-28-5639 The Technology Requirements Specialists Int'l: +61-2-43-2x- Email: Internet: k...@compuserve.com Compuserve: 100356,374 - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.com with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.co (the list administrators).
RE: Singapore, Poland and Australia
Kamran, I can advise in terms of Australian requirements. It is important to define what is meant by commercial. For example the Australian legislation for EMC considers commercial equipment as that which would only be used in a computer room type environment, ie rack mounted equipment etc. For what the Australian legislation considers commercial equipment, the EMC requirements would be compliance with either AS/NZS 3548 CLASS A, EN55022 CLASS A or CISPR-22 CLASS A. Approval is a Supplier Declaration scheme very similar to that of Europe whereby the Supplier or importer (therefore local organisation) is responsible for establishing a Compliance Folder (like a Euro TCF) comprising test reports and product information etc. plus a signed Declaration of Conformity (DoC). The DoC must be signed by someone from a local organisation. Safety is AS/NZS 3260. This standard is the Australian national standard version of IEC 950 with Australian deviations. No approval required unless the product is a telecomms product. Best regards, Kevin RichardsonPh: 02-43-29-4070 Stanimore Pty Limited Fax: 02-43-28-5639 The Technology Requirements Specialists Int'l: +61-2-43-2x- Email: Internet: k...@compuserve.com Compuserve: 100356,374
Re: FW- Australia EMC test
Hello all, Tony Fredriksson wrote on 31 Jan 97: OK, here's another interesting tidbit. I have been informed directly by an SMA representative of the following concerning ITE equipment that does not need telecom approvals: 1. If you do not have a distributor, importer, or office in Australia, you can not register with SMA to use the C-Tick. 2. If you are not an Australian company or do not have a distributor, importer or office in Australia, you are allowed to legally import and sell directly to the end user WITHOUT compliance with the EMC Framework for ITE. The end user can legally operate the equipment without comliance with the EMC framework. So assuming that an ITE mail-order business can transact directly to the end user from outside the US, they can use this loophole. I didn't believe it the first time I got the e-mail from SMA so I rephrased the question and asked again. I got the same answer. Both observations are absolutely correct in my understanding the way the present EMC Framework and legislation is drafted. This is because the present EMC Framework is built around a product being marketed/sold, or imported for sale, in Australia. If a product is bought buy someone in Australia, from an off-shore organisation, for their own use the EMC Framework requirements are not applicable. This posses an interesting problem however, for that initial end-user, who effectively imported the product not for sale but for their own use, in the event they may wish to sell that device at some time in the future on the second-hand market once they have no further use for the device. The regulations/legislation says that in order to do so they would need to follow all the requirements of the EMC Framework at that time before they could seel the device. Best regards, Kevin Kevin RichardsonPh:043-29-4070 Stanimore Pty Limited Fax: 043-28-5639 The Technology Requirements Specialists Int'l: +61-43-xx- Email: Internet: 100356@compuserve.comCompuserve: 100356,374
Re: Siganl transformer requirements for Australia
Jim Wiesse wrote: Does anyone know the requirements for signal transformers for ISDN S/T interfaces in Australia. I do not have a copy of AS/NZS 3260 at this time. Specifically, I need to know the creepage, clearance, and insulation category requirements for the S/T interface and S/T interface circuits in general. Make the asumption that the power supply of the terminal adapter, meets all the applicable spacing and insulation requirements. Also the teminal adapter is a separate device from the NT1 which is exposed to the outside plant. I've been told the S/T interface could be SELV and only require operational insulation. I believe it should have at least basic insulation. But I've also been told it requires supplementary insulation or reinforced insualation. Any information would be very much appreciated and helpful. Thanks, Jim Wiese AUSTEL require supplementary insulation to 240V between ISDN line and SELV or earth. AUSTEL Advice To Industry (ATI) 1996/01 details their reasoning and the requirements etc and why they believe they need to deviate from the AS/NZS3260 (IEC950) requirements of clause 6.3.3. AUSTEL require that ISDN devices be installed and maintained by service personnel on the basis that ISDN lines are TNV and unless these devices are installed by service personnel there is no guaranty there is a reliable earth connection made by the device. Best regards, Kevin Kevin RichardsonPh:043-29-4070 Stanimore Pty Limited Fax: 043-28-5639 The Technology Requirements Specialists Int'l: +61-43-xx- Email: Internet: 100356@compuserve.comCompuserve: 100356,374
RE: Australian Requirements
Tom Smith wrote: Other AUSTEL approved labs who are not members of the CB scheme may also = accept the CB reports, and review and endorse them for use by AUSTEL. This is of course true however they have no obligation to accept CB reports whereas CB accredited labs do have an obligation. Best regards, Kevin Kevin RichardsonPh:043-29-4070 Stanimore Pty Limited Fax: 043-28-5639 The Technology Requirements Specialists Int'l: +61-43-xx- Email: Internet: 100356@compuserve.comCompuserve: 100356,374
Re: Australian Requirements
AUSTEL does not accept CB reports as such however they will accept reports from NAMAS approved labs in the UK and any other lab which has been accredited by an organization with a MOU (Memorandum of Understanding) with NATA (Australian NAMAS equivalent). As I mentioned in a previous message, there are presently 2 CB accredited labs in Australia. They can produce their own report from a report from another CB lab. Regards, Kevin Kevin RichardsonPh:043-29-4070 Stanimore Pty Limited Fax: 043-28-5639 The Technology Requirements Specialists Int'l: +61-43-xx- Email: Internet: 100356@compuserve.comCompuserve: 100356,374 -- Forwarded Message -- From: Joe Dwyer/Inter-Tel, INTERNET:joe_dwyer%inter-tel.inter-...@ns.inter-tel.com TO: Kevin Richardson, 100356,374 CC: EMC-PSTC - IEEE, INTERNET:emc-p...@ieee.org DATE: 21/06/96 4:01 PM RE: Re: Australian Requirements Sender: joe_dwyer%inter-tel.inter-...@ns.inter-tel.com Received: from uucp.primenet.com (uucp.primenet.com [204.245.3.11]) by arl-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id PAA20077; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 15:32:47 -0400 Received: from inter-tel.com (uucp@localhost) by uucp.primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.1) with UUCP id MAA05929 for 100356@compuserve.com; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 12:29:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from ns.inter-tel.com by inter-tel.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11568; Fri, 21 Jun 96 12:16:53 MST Received: by ns.inter-tel.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA0202; Fri, 21 Jun 96 12:03:47 -0700 Message-Id: 9606211903.aa0...@ns.inter-tel.com Received: from Inter-Tel with Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP id F6681981E1A1D45C0725635000651268; Fri, 21 Jun 96 12:03:47 To: Kevin Richardson 100356@compuserve.com Cc: EMC-PSTC - IEEE emc-p...@ieee.org From: Joe Dwyer/Inter-Tel joe_dwyer%inter-tel.inter-...@ns.inter-tel.com List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: 21 Jun 96 11:56:05 MS Subject: Re: Australian Requirements Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain I would like to add/ask for some clarification to the CB scheme. I have seen this work very well for Information Technology Equipment (ITE). I have had some bad experience with the Telephone Terminal Equipment (TTE). The bad experience was 2 - 3 years ago when we tried to use it with TTE in Australia, at that time Austel did not recognize the CB Scheme. The Standards Australia did accept the CB Scheme for ITE. I know there have been several changes in Australia and I have not been getting approvals in Australia for the last 2 years. Has there been a change? Does Austel accept the CB Scheme? The UK was the same way. BABT did not accept the CB Scheme but British Electrotechnical Approval Board does, I presume for ITE. Now it has moved to a self declare in the EU so the CB Scheme would work for ITE and TTE. As long as the report is done the EN60950. TIPS Whoever does the CB Scheme for you, UL, CSA, DEMKO, etc can provide a list of the countries AND the regulatory bodies in the country that accept the CB Scheme. Make sure the CB Scheme is done to the standards of ALL the countries you intend to go, for ITE this is easier then TTE. Make sure ALL the national deviations are included in the test report. Anybody else want to add to this list? Joe Dwyer Sr. Engineer International Approvals Inter-Tel. Tel:+1 602 961 9000 x1235 7300 West Boston Street Fax:+1 602 961 1370 Chandler, AZ 85226 U.S.A. Internet: dw...@inter-tel.com www.inter-tel.com Inter-Tel designs and sells PBX and Hybrid Telephone equipment worldwide. To: emc-pstc @ ieee.org (EMC-PSTC - IEEE) @ SMTP cc: From: 100356.374 @ compuserve.com (Kevin Richardson) @ SMTP List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: 06/21/96 02:16:41 AM Subject: Re: Australian Requirements Some time ago Brian Kunde wrote about Australia accepting IEC CB reports. I must apologize firstly that I have taken this long to respond. I have been overseas for a week. Brian is correct. It is possible to use an IEC CB report, gained from an IEC CB accredited test house. Such reports can only be accepted however by the IEC CB recognised labs in Australia. They can not be authorized/accepted by all labs in Australia. There are presently two labs in Australia and one in New Zealand. such labs, when presented with a report from another (overseas) CB accredited lab would examine the report to ensure all Australian requirements (deviations or variations to the relevant internationl standard) were in fact tested and then produce a report under their letterhead stating compliance. Regards, Kevin Kevin Richardson Ph:043-29-4070 Stanimore Pty Limited Fax: 043-28-5639
RE: Agency Approval for RF Device
Bharat Shah of Logitech asked about requirements for an RF wireless mouse in
many countries.
I thought the following concerning Australia may be of interest to the group.
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In Australia there are radiocommunications regulations and EMC regulations which
would need to be complied with.
I believe the device would probably need to granted a Class Licence by the
Spectrum Management Authority (SMA) in Australia. To operate low power
transmitteres in Australia within the 27MHz band it would need to be between
26.957 and 27.283MHz with a maximum of 1W (EIRP). The operating frequency must
have an offset of 5KHz from any CB radio allocated band. It would also need to
maintain an emission bandwidth of no more than 10KHz.
As the device probably requires a Class Licence it would need to incorporate
the C tick mark (label) on the product indicating it complied with the
radiocommunications regulations.
The applicable radiocommunications standard would be AS 4268.2 (essentially
equivalent to ETSI 300220 {I think that is the right number}). This standard
addresses low power transmitting devices and includes some EMC requirements.
This standard is not presently mandatory however, it will be mandatory within
two to three months.
Best regards,
Kevin
Kevin RichardsonPh:043-29-4070
Stanimore Pty Limited Fax: 043-28-5639
The Technology Requirements Specialists Int'l: +61-43-xx-
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Australian Compliance
Just a few comments on some of the comments already posted in this forum. David from HP in Australia was correct in all he related (with the slight exception of saying the CE mark will be required from 1 Jan 97. He meant of course the 'C' tick mark). The EMC Framework will be applicable to all product in the long term but will concentrate on IT equipment to begin with. EMC people have always had this fascination it seems with the IT industry! Telecommunications approvals however are the main issue for ITE in Australia and the EMC Framework requirements are nothing new for any product requiring AUSTEL approval/permits. AUSTEL have required products comply with AS 3548 for EMC for nearly two years now. An additional sippet of information you may like to store in some dark recess is that AUSTEL and the Spectrum Management Authority (SMA - the regulator responsible for EMC and the body responsible for introducing the new EMC Framework that David mentioned) will be merging into one single regulating body in Jul 97. AUSTEL will be introducing the 'C' tick mark as a requirement for telecommunications product before this. This will also apply to virtually all ITE as the telecommunications regulations in Australia are such that any device connected to a DTE (Data terminal equipment - connected directly to a telecommunications network) is required to be also approved. The 'C' tick mark to be introduced in Australia will have significantly different implications to the EC mark. The SMA and AUSTEL want the 'C' tick mark to be a regulatory mark. This of course is different to the CE mark which was really introduced as a customs mark and is not considered a regulatory mark nor could it be in reality. I am sure there are many people out there who will challenge that statement, both from within Europe and from outside Europe. The discussions on this subject could go on for hours so I do not wish to entre into that now as I am a bit pressed for time. Best regards, Kevin Kevin RichardsonPh:043-29-4070 Stanimore Pty Limited Fax: 043-28-5639 The Technology Requirements Specialists Int'l: +61-43-xx- Email: Internet: 100356@compuserve.comCompuserve: 100356,374
RE: Australian Requirements
I own and operate a consultancy business in Sydney, Australia specializing in product regulatory and standards requirements in the South Pacific. I personally also represent Australia to the IEC TC74 committee and 2 or it's Working Groups, WG7 WG8. This committee and Working Groups you are most likely aware are responsible for IEC 950. I also am a member of the local joint Australian/New Zealand standards committee responsible for the work of IEC TC74. This local committee is responsible for the joint Australian/New Zealand local equivalent of IEC 950, AS/NZS 3260. My company presently offers project management services in the area of obtaining Australian approvals for ITE and other products. Does any one have any suggestion on the best methods for getting compliance for ITE equipment in Australia?, specifically product safety!! AUSTEL (Australian Telecommunications regulator) requires test reports to AUSTEL TS001 + AS/NZS 3260 for safety. Many labs outside Australia are accredited to test to these standards. I can provide a list if required. Alternatively, testing can be done in Australia at one of the many local labs (whom I know very well and can assist if required). An application to AUSTEL for an AUSTEL permit also must contain associated, detailed documentation regarding the product plus engineering drawings etc. Various other requirements must also be met such as EMC requirements and if a device connecting directly to a telecommunications network, various interworking standards. Will they recognize the CE mark, even though they are not part of the European Union? The CE mark is not accepted in Australia as satisfying compliance. The most important issue regarding product requirements in Australia is that AUSTEL recently changed the regulations concerning AUSTEL permits being held by companies outside Australia. As of January, 1996 AUSTEL permits are only issued to companies with local offices or an 'AGENT'. Any Australian company can make application for a permit and the permit is issued in their name. This carriers considerable legal ramifications etc but some companies are willing to provide this service. Hope this helps. Best regards, Kevin Kevin RichardsonPh:043-29-4070 Stanimore Pty Limited Fax: 043-28-5639 The Technology Requirements Specialists Int'l: +61-43-xx- Email: Internet: 100356@compuserve.comCompuserve: 100356,374
