Re: [LU] Wembley a question

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 Great question Dave and I experienced the same thing. Queing up to get rid of 
some of the 8 or so pre-match pints when someone shouts "We're are the pissers 
?" - there weren't any which was v.weird 
On Thursday 30 May 2024 at 11:13:50 BST, nattan--- via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 Bit if an odd one, but when i went to the toilets at half time , i walked into 
the gents to be faced with a row of stalls with blokes waiting, i walked past 2 
more rows of stalls and suddenly was outside without seeing any urinals.I 
walked to next toilet block wondering if blokes had just gate crashed the 
womens.The next toilets were the same so i used the stalls
So the question is has Wembley for whatever reason only put stalls and no 
urinals in the mens , or did they ' convert ' the womens into gents on the day 
given the proportion of males v females at football compared to a concert etc

Just seemed odd 
Dave 
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Re: [LU] Championship

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

Sean,
That’s a great post and I read it nodding my head to a lot of what you said. 
Overall, I think Farke deserves credit because he’s taken a team in disarray to 
nearly getting promoted. If you think about the confusion around the first 6 
games and that team we took to Brum ( Shackleton and co) and got nothing, that 
cost us dear.On the flip side you have to look at the limitations of Farke. I 
don’t think he knows what his best team is ? Is Rutter a 10/9? , is Piroe a 
10/9 ? He gave us a 20 min chat as to why Piroe is 10 and not a 9 but then has 
changed his mind. A Norwich fan said to me before Farke had been in charge with 
us that for even a game that he is limited which cost him in the higher levels. 
I think you can see this week in week out. The passing around at the back is 
predictable and boring. I think he’s a Championship manager with little to 
Suggs he could really make an impact on the PL. so sack now ? I don think so 
cos I’ve enjoyed most I this season but if you look at logically there’s an 
argument to get rid but you have to have a replacement and as far as I am aware 
there isn’t !


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On Monday, May 27, 2024, 7:31 PM, Dave Tomlinson  
wrote:

The £170m owed isn't all due yet, I understand it's about £70m to pay next
few months.
The phasing of transfer fees is about cash and nothing to do with FFP,
which is around profit and loss.
The ability of 49ers to invest is constrained only by the FFP rules
(revenue, not cash)

On Mon, 27 May 2024 at 10:54, Robert Heath  wrote:

> I don't know the ins and outs of it all,but I believe it's not so simple as
> the 49ers stumping up some cash. Apparently we did not pay some transfer
> fees in full so we could massage our FFP losses...and there's supposed
> to be 170 million we have to pay now. Presumably though if we can get
> decent fees for Seville & Gnonto that might allow us some wiggle room. (Two
> players, incidentally, along with Meslier & Joseph, signed for peanuts by
> that useless know nothing Victor Orta)
>
> On Mon, 27 May 2024, 11:37 Simon McNally via Leedslist, <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>
> > What are we thinking for the team next year?
> >
> > I’m assuming Gnonto and Summerville will be off, hopefully we get some
> > fees for the loan players that jumped ship. Have heard suggestions that
> > they might try to cash in on Meslier too.
> >
> > With the parachute payments hopefully we can get a decent team together.
> > The hope that I’m clinging to is that the 49s aren’t in this to make up
> > the numbers and will invest in the squad.
> >
> > Here’s what I’m thinking :
> > New GK
> > New RB
> > CB Ampadu
> > CB Struijk
> > LB Firpo (can’t see there being any offers for him)
> > CM Gray (fingers crossed he stays)
> > CM Gruev
> > RW James
> > CAM Rutter (if he stays - could we sign a new 10 and play Rutter on the
> > wing?)
> > New LW
> > New CF (I’d like to see Joseph get a run)
> >
> > S
> >
> > Sent from Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> > 
> > From: Leedslist  on behalf of Paul
> Cundell <
> > p...@cundell.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 27, 2024 10:20:38 AM
> > To: Richard Walker 
> > Cc: leedslist 
> > Subject: Re: [LU] Championship
> >
> > "None of that team is good enough for the PL currently, not one of them."
> > I thought that after we lost to QPR tbh, if a team chasing automatic
> > promotion can get hammered by a team struggling to stay up then I'd hate
> to
> > see that team face Citeh, Arse or even Scum.
> >
> > On Mon, 27 May 2024, 09:47 Richard Walker via Leedslist, <
> > leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Team didn’t turn up unlike us lot who did at great expense. It was
> > > Doncaster revisited and I hate Wembley and hope I never return.
> > > I’ve got nothing to say about the match other than Summerville played
> in
> > > gloves, the match passed Piroe by and Rutter showed us that he hasn’t
> > been
> > > the same player since his op.
> > > None of that team is good enough for the PL currently, not one of them.
> > We
> > > got excited by the Norwich game but let’s face facts, they were
> rubbish.
> > > On the last train out of Kings X there were a lot of very fed up fans
> but
> > > all agreed that this team is a 100% championship team with a manager
> who
> > is
> > > a 100% championship manager.
> > > Be interested to see who jumps ship and actually who wants to buy them
> ?
> > >
> > >
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Re: [LU] Championship

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 It was interesting arriving at Baker Street - the Globe was packed and the 
atmosphere frantic with the expectation levels high. Couldn't get a drink so 
went over the road to the Soton pub and in there it was easy to get a drink and 
felt like it a relaced Sunday afternoon in a beer garden with the occassionally 
when the Saints go marching in. Maybe it's that level of expectancy that get's 
to the players and causes our downfall. The Saints fans seemed much more 
relaxed to me  and so did I after 6 pints 
On Monday 27 May 2024 at 11:22:44 BST, nattan--- via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 Well this was the archetypal " a great weekend spolit by 90mins football " - 
been there  , done that so many times in the past , including but not limited 
to 3 play off finals this century without a single goal to cheer
Despite misgivings over the stuff surrounding this  " final" i was fully on 
board and was massively up for it. The area around Paddington and then Covent 
Garden were turned into leeds united territory as our fans massed together and, 
much to the delight of tourists taking photos,  we sang, danced and jumped 
around going ' fuc8ing mental" 
So a great Saturday evening,  followed by a 50/50 split in afew pubs on Baker 
Street and 100% leeds united Globe ( when it emptied enough for us to get in) 
We all wanted to win, obviously , but were not so impressed with what would 
come next - an attempt to be the 4th worst team in the prem, hardly a great 
ambition , 
As for the game, as they say in boxing , styles make fights, well ours and 
Southampton styles make a bore- fest in which they always had the edge. once 
they scored it genuinely felt like game over, DJ tried his best to change that 
but we never really looked like getting the goal(s) we needed. 
So LUFC set another unwanted record ( most play offs without a victory,  so ive 
been told) and its another year ( my last on my 20yr ST) in the champo. Such is 
life.
I have got up today in absolute agony due to various health issues and did 
amuse myself by singing " for  the sake of leeds United i have broke (sic)  
myself in two" even if im not a red headed dynamo. 
Final point i hope Saints fans can learn at least one other song , the only 
time i heard them in the pub or in the ground was that dirge , oh when the 
saints, sung at half speed- tedious 
Roll on 24/25 season   it will be our year ( honest)
Dave 

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Re: [LU] Championship

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

Team didn’t turn up unlike us lot who did at great expense. It was Doncaster 
revisited and I hate Wembley and hope I never return.
I’ve got nothing to say about the match other than Summerville played in 
gloves, the match passed Piroe by and Rutter showed us that he hasn’t been the 
same player since his op. 
None of that team is good enough for the PL currently, not one of them. We got 
excited by the Norwich game but let’s face facts, they were rubbish.
On the last train out of Kings X there were a lot of very fed up fans but all 
agreed that this team is a 100% championship team with a manager who is a 100% 
championship manager. 
Be interested to see who jumps ship and actually who wants to buy them ? 




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On Monday, May 27, 2024, 8:09 AM, Damian WALSH  
wrote:

Funny enough that's sort of how the aftermath feels like too.

I'm numbly upset but no great passion - all a bit vague really, bit like
the match :)

Damian

Le dim. 26 mai 2024 à 22:25, Graham White via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> a écrit :

>  "like watching paint dry".
>
>
> Started so positive & on the front foot for most of the first 10, solid &
> determined - and then came the first defensive wobble when they broke down
> our right…
> I hoped that would act as a wake up call but didn’t… Sure enough soon they
> scored while Rodon & Amps stood pointing at each other & Archie
> unfortunately had dropped too far so played Armstrong on…
>
> From that moment on we never really looked like getting into the game
> again.
>
> Too many of our players didn’t believe in it (and that has to be laid on
> Farke) - but the one that did was the first to be replaced which summed
> quite a lot up.
>
> Rutter & Cree were well below par, and should’ve been replaced on the hour
> at least. Gruev & Kamara struggled to get anything going - and not once did
> we see the triangulation play between Kamara, Cree, Rutter & Firps which
> have become a bit of our speciality this season…
>
> And the combination Rutter/Piroe hasn’t worked well ever & won’t work in
> the future either if one of them keeps insisting on not interacting with
> the other. Another thing for DF to sort out.
> Maybe he should let one of them go. There’s no indication that Rutter will
> find his form from before the break & operation again… on his current
> showing he’s a big question mark.
>
> Anyway, thought Dan James did well when he came on, desperately unlucky
> with his effort, and at least we did try hard in the end to force a goal.
>
> Too little too late as the saying goes.
>
> Next season can’t start too soon. Not looking forward to the summer of
> silly season crap but that’s what it is.
>
> Hope and pray for a few good additions and that we don’t lose too many of
> our most influential players. Our squad was never big enough this season so
> additions are needed.
>
> Why not try and find a left back who can defend? Heard that one before?
> Wish list can become long!
>
> Realistically we won’t be able to keep Willy or Cree, but let’s hope
> Archie stays!
>
> /Raffe
>
>
> My iPhone
>
> > On 26 May 2024, at 18:22, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> >
> > There we are. Encapsulates the season. Loads of possession. Shit set
> > pieces. Pathetic shooting.
> >
> > I think the management are happier in the championship, where they can
> win
> > more than they lose, without having to take any risks.
> >
> >
> >
> > Inline images
> >
> > The Harwellian Club
> > Westfield
> > Harwell
> > Oxon
> > OX11 0LG
> > Industrial & Provident Company Number IP13363R.  VAT Number: GB200735313
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Re: [LU] Wembley Box.

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 Interesting. Me and mate having been looking at Club Wembley packages (£499) - 
similar thing but not in a box. 
It's a bit weird though cos you have to put in an Enquiry and they say they 
will contact you withing 1-2 business working days so expecting Monday. 
Anyone done Club Wembley before  ?

On Saturday 18 May 2024 at 10:51:57 BST, Richard Naef 
 wrote:  
 
 A few of us Boomers on the WhatsApp list are thinking of getting a box as 
tickets seem unlikely to be an option.  It's £599 each - anyone on here want to 
waste their kids inheritance and join us.  Free food and Drink and flunkys 
included.

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Re: [LU] Well

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

Everyone near me were commenting on the Madeley comparison- that’s some 
compliment cos Madeley was the best 


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On Friday, May 17, 2024, 7:16 AM, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:

Superb night. Ashley Barnes being the highlight for me. Not heard abuse like 
that since Stevie Archibald.
Anyone managed to book a train to Wembley this morning - no luck on Trainline 
or Seat frog so far. 


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On Friday, May 17, 2024, 12:14 AM, John Lee via Leedslist 
 wrote:

A truly magnificent stop.

Tonight we played to our strengths - attack, attack, attack! I know Rutter got 
MOTM, but Archie was mightily impressive tonight - whilst still raw, there’s a 
bit of the Paul Madeley about him!

On this form, we can dare to dream again :-) 



> On 16 May 2024, at 23:04, Nick Allen  wrote:
> 
> Let’s hear it for Meslier, one on one at  2-0.
> 
> Yours, falling apart.
> 
> Nick
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Re: [LU] Well

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

Superb night. Ashley Barnes being the highlight for me. Not heard abuse like 
that since Stevie Archibald.
Anyone managed to book a train to Wembley this morning - no luck on Trainline 
or Seat frog so far. 


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On Friday, May 17, 2024, 12:14 AM, John Lee via Leedslist 
 wrote:

A truly magnificent stop.

Tonight we played to our strengths - attack, attack, attack! I know Rutter got 
MOTM, but Archie was mightily impressive tonight - whilst still raw, there’s a 
bit of the Paul Madeley about him!

On this form, we can dare to dream again :-) 



> On 16 May 2024, at 23:04, Nick Allen  wrote:
> 
> Let’s hear it for Meslier, one on one at  2-0.
> 
> Yours, falling apart.
> 
> Nick
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Re: [LU] Someone turn the lights off on the way out

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

Firpo is a defender who can’t defend.
Rutter has been awful since the international break. The times he’s given the 
ball away is criminal.
Yes the season has, on the whole, been a success but the form in the run in as 
been shocking - a total capitulation.
We’ve done a Leeds 
Beer is the answer 


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On Saturday, May 4, 2024, 2:42 PM, John Lee via Leedslist 
 wrote:

We looked more like a team struggling to stay out of the bottom 4 than going 
for promotion. Out-footballed again and tactically out-smarted. 

I expect nothing from the play-offs - this is a team with no grit, no passion 
or heart, with more than half the team going through their worst form of the 
season. Worst of all, I don’t think Farke is sure of his best xi or tactics 
anymore. 

Credit to Ipswich and Leicester - they overcame their tricky patches, where-as 
we’ve just fallen apart! 

Pointless blaming certain individuals, but Firpo and Rutter gave me flash-backs 
to last season  
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Re: [LU] Qpr

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

Saved our worst performance for the most important game of the season.  Can’t 
get more Leeds than that. Very, very depressing.


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On Friday, April 26, 2024, 9:03 PM, John Lee via Leedslist 
 wrote:

You’re the lucky one Dave :-(



> On 26 Apr 2024, at 18:25, Andy Brown  wrote:
> 
> Can you not get some other man to do a job for you? Priorities and all that.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 26 Apr 2024, at 17:53, Peter Castlehouse  wrote:
>> 
>> There ya go, a man with real Yorkshire balls!
>> 
>> This Dave Nattan is turning into a right old Boocock type, always whinging 
>> eh?
>> 
>> OzPete
>> 
>> 2.52am here in Dubbo… 5am kick-off, what’s the problem again?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Richard Walker 
>> Sent: Saturday, 27 April 2024 2:47 AM
>> To: Peter Castlehouse ; nat...@sky.com; 'leeds list' 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Qpr
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> You need to get her better trained Dave. My missus would not even ask the 
>> question and would have got a friend lined up for the theatre as soon as the 
>> Friday fixture was announced.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sheff Utd away - it took ages to get way from the ground and the Motorway 
>> was rammed - lots of horn blowing and cross car banter. Managed to get back 
>> for end of Scum game then straight to local boozer where we danced on the 
>> tables with the bar manager who was a massive Leeds fan. Great day !
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> <https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=nativeplacement=Global_Acquisition_YMktg_315_Internal_EmailSignature⁡_sub1=Acquisition⁡_sub2=Global_YMktg⁡_sub3=⁡_sub4=10604⁡_sub5=EmailSignature__Static_>
>>  Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Friday, April 26, 2024, 5:37 PM, Peter Castlehouse > <mailto:dubca...@iinet.net.au> > wrote:
>> 
>> Oh, how I hate whingers!  
>> Take the lass out, it's not as if it's the last game of the season or 
>> anything important!
>> 
>> OzPete
>> t'original one
>> 
>> 
>> From: Leedslist > <mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> > On Behalf Of nattan--- via Leedslist
>> Sent: Saturday, 27 April 2024 12:38 AM
>> To: leeds list mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org> >
>> Subject: [LU] Qpr
>> 
>> Nerves starting to kick in. A win is essential,  i would think, and even 
>> that may not be enough - by 8pm when Hull play Ipswich their slim chance of 
>> making the play offs could be mathematically possilbe but totally 
>> unrealistic ( if wba and Norwich win in the afternoon Hull need a huge goal 
>> difference swing and for them both to lose their last game  ) - Coventry are 
>> already out of the play offs, so it is not that hard to see  Ipswich winning 
>> their last 3 , albeit they will be under huge pressure if we do win tonight 
>> Sky tv have totally f***ed me up ! I have tickets at the lowry theatre 
>> booked for  my wife and i tonight . When l booked i thought " no football on 
>> a Friday" it will be fine I am recording the game and may even be home for 
>> the last few minutes , but i doubt i will be able to watch the game " as 
>> live" and not look at the score / result,  i could possibly do that for an 
>> unimportant game but not tonight.
>> The suggestion she go on her own turned the air blue to some tune, brought 
>> up the previous 2 times i had done that to her ( around 15 and 6 years ago 
>> respectively) but" at least that was to go to the ** game and not watch 
>> the *match on * tele you " "I take it thats a no then 
>> darling "was my only reply Oh well ce la vie
>> 
>> Dave
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Re: [LU] Qpr

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You need to get her better trained Dave. My missus would not even ask the 
question and would have got a friend lined up for the theatre as soon as the 
Friday fixture was announced. 
Sheff Utd away - it took ages to get way from the ground and the Motorway was 
rammed - lots of horn blowing and cross car banter. Managed to get back for end 
of Scum game then straight to local boozer where we danced on the tables with 
the bar manager who was a massive Leeds fan. Great day ! 


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On Friday, April 26, 2024, 5:37 PM, Peter Castlehouse  
wrote:

Oh, how I hate whingers!  
Take the lass out, it's not as if it's the last game of the season or anything 
important!

OzPete
t'original one


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Subject: [LU] Qpr

Nerves starting to kick in. A win is essential,  i would think, and even that 
may not be enough - by 8pm when Hull play Ipswich their slim chance of making 
the play offs could be mathematically possilbe but totally unrealistic ( if wba 
and Norwich win in the afternoon Hull need a huge goal difference swing and for 
them both to lose their last game  ) - Coventry are already out of the play 
offs, so it is not that hard to see  Ipswich winning their last 3 , albeit they 
will be under huge pressure if we do win tonight Sky tv have totally f***ed me 
up ! I have tickets at the lowry theatre booked for  my wife and i tonight . 
When l booked i thought " no football on a Friday" it will be fine I am 
recording the game and may even be home for the last few minutes , but i doubt 
i will be able to watch the game " as live" and not look at the score / result, 
 i could possibly do that for an unimportant game but not tonight.
The suggestion she go on her own turned the air blue to some tune, brought up 
the previous 2 times i had done that to her ( around 15 and 6 years ago 
respectively) but" at least that was to go to the ** game and not watch the 
*match on * tele you " "I take it thats a no then darling "was 
my only reply Oh well ce la vie 

Dave 

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Re: [LU] Scared

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 Not sure why there's an end of season events night when when we've no idea of 
the outcome ?
and surely Archie and others should be in bed so they're fresh and ready for 
training tomorrow 
On Monday, 15 April 2024 at 11:23:56 BST, John Lee via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 Take That got to number 1 - they’re still sh*te :-)

If Rutter and Summerville can rediscover the form that got them the awards, 
then they should absolutely play, but if Saturday was their new level, they can 
admire their awards sat on the bench for me? Of course we need to move the ball 
quickly for either to be at their most effective, so the Meslier-Ampadu-Rodon 
slow-waltz needs to end!





> On 15 Apr 2024, at 08:22, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk wrote:
> 
> Anyway I see that those players who “should be dropped” all won awards last 
> night.
> 
> Including Summerville, player of the season in Champs.
> 
> Still eh. What do they know.
> 
> I’d rather they were lining up for us, than against us.
> 
> Nick
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 14 Apr 2024, at 20:47, Damian WALSH  wrote:
>> 
>> I think that Farke has been brilliant and I hope that he long continues to
>> be so for Leeds United.
>> 
>> But I'm pretty sure that the dropped points these last matches are down to
>> him and not the players. They are good enough to go (& stay) up but they
>> need to be let off the leash because they're not good enough to play with
>> the metaphorical hand tied behind their back. The team has got to move up a
>> couple of gears and the handbrake has to come off (preferably the other way
>> round or there'll be a horrible smell of burning) - that's almost certainly
>> down to the manager ...
>> 
>> BTW I don't want to lose any of the players - I've even warmed to Firpo :)
>> 
>> Damian
>> 
>> 
>> Le dim. 14 avr. 2024 à 18:50, John Lee via Leedslist 
>> a écrit :
>> 
>>> We will lose some/all those named, but of course if they’re not good
>>> enough to get us out of this league, then so be it!
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [LU] Scared?

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Harsh. Yes he had a really bad game today but over the last few weeks, when 
we’ve looked shit, he’s been the only one who looks like he can still make 
things happen. In fact, it must be difficult for him when our main tactic is to 
give the ball to him and ask him to beat 2 or 3 men consistently.I think if 
you’re looking for disappointing players you’ve got to look at Piroe, who 
offered nothing as a no 9 and I’d offload him now or Bamford (and I was a fan) 
who came on and did nothing other than look for a pen. Or Rutter, who looked 
like a world beater a month ago , but now looks like a non-league trier. I was 
actually starting to think that this guy was another Cantona but what’s 
happened? You can’t blame it on the operation because it started before then - 
he was awful against Town. Maybe it’s an injury ? Not sure but he’s not worth 
his place in the team at the moment.Very disappointing today, I couldn’t even 
stay out for drinks I was that pissed off. Farke’s substitutions were 
mystifying and totally messed with our rythmn. How can you take out 2 best 
players off - Gnonto and Gruev ? Were they both struggling? Didn’t look like it 
to me.You don’t get more Leeds than today. Can’t see us winning another game - 
I put that in to make me look like a cunt when we get promoted ! 
Chateauneuf-du-Pape tonight - got to cheer yourself somehow on days like this. 
FFS !


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On Saturday, April 13, 2024, 5:57 PM, John Lee via Leedslist 
 wrote:

Summerville has the potential to play at a higher level, and has demonstrated 
that on a few occasions this season. He also ‘appears’ to have an inflated 
opinion of his own abilities. He is no dead-ball expert, his passing is 
conditional on whether nothing is on for him, he gives the ball away 
consistently, dives ALOT, and his shooting is patchy. I find him really 
frustrating to watch and I am surprised players don’t give him a bollocking for 
not passing quicker. I hope he refinds the form of 2 months ago, because on 
todays form, he’s a waste of a shirt. 

I think he’ll leave whatever happens this season?

Other opinions are available :-)

> On 13 Apr 2024, at 15:25, Nick Allen  wrote:
> 
> Why? He’s been outstanding.
> 
> Regularly touted by non-Leeds people as the best in the league.
> 
> Nick
> 
>> On 13 Apr 2024, at 14:36, Jim Moran  wrote:
>> 
>> I think he lost himself today
>> 
 On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 at 14:32, Ed Morrish  wrote:
>>> 
>>> UPDATE:
>>> 
>>> I’m no longer worried about losing Summerville.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 13 Apr 2024, at 12:13, Ed Morrish  wrote:
 
 I was talking to an Ipswich mate, and my general assessment of them is
>>> they’ve had an amazing season, but if they go up they’ll get battered every
>>> week - they simply won’t score enough goals against PL defences. His
>>> response was that if they didn’t go up, he was scared that they’d lose
>>> McKenna (presumably to West Han or Brighton, if vacancies arrive).
 
 So what are we scared of, if we don’t go up? I think we see the breakup
>>> of this team, and that’s worries me. It’s not like Bielsa’s first season,
>>> where we kept the team we had. We WILL lose - have to lose, financially -
>>> players like Gnonto, Cree and Rutter. Maybe not Archie this year, but DF
>>> would be starting from scratch and you never really know how a player is
>>> going to bed in, and if that causes the same disruption in September that
>>> the comings and goings caused last September, we could find ourselves
>>> chasing the pack once again.
 
 I just hope that we’ve done some work on the outcasts - what happens to
>>> Harrison, Aaronson, Rasmus et al - if we are still an EFL team next year…
 
 Ed.
 
 
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Re: [LU] Sunderland

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 I actually forgot to mention the ref. Sometimes you know after 5 mins that the 
ref just isn't up to it ! That was the case with this guy and he really 
shouldn't be reffing at this level and that's nothing to do with the penalty 
that should have been. He was awful. 
However, he wasn't the reason we hardly had a shot on goal all night ! 
   



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[LU] Sunderland

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

The highlight of the evening for me was discovering they serve Neck Oil on 
draught in the downstairs North East Bar. Now, don't get me wrong, Neck Oil is 
not my favourite beer and I wouldn't buy it in a Leeds pub but compared to the 
bath water they pass off as beer normally in the bars, it is bloody nectar ! 
As for the game, they came for a point and got one. They looked lively at times 
but rarely troubled us and as for us we just weren't able to break them down. 
The passing around the back is ok when you know there's an attack and a goal 
coming but when you see us not running and making opportunities up front you 
realise that something isn't quite happening at the moment. 
Give it to Jimmy is the only option. Go on Jimmy, beat 5 men and put it in the 
back of the net. He's capable of doing that now and again but not everytime he 
gets the ball. The options on the wing were limited. James has a nasty habit of 
finding an opposition shirt from a pass or cross. Is he related to Jack 
Harrison ? Rutter doesn't look right since his op. He looks a yard short and 
spends most of the time on his arse or desperately lunging around trying to 
retrieve the ball he's just lost. In midfield, we've got 2 players who are very 
similar in that they do the simple stuff well but when we're looking to create 
they can't. I thought Kamara actually had his best game for a while but he's 
not going to score or create a goal. 
So what's the problem ? Are we tired ? Has the bubble burst ? Are we running 
out of ideas ? Not sure, I think it's all a bit tense and I think we might see 
a few more weird results over the next 3 weeks. 
Scores:
Meslier - 6. Can't remember him having to do much other than a couple of simple 
saves from a free kick and a shot. 
Gray - 6. Did ok defensively although Clarke got free on one occassion. He also 
had a great run into the box but then fluffed it like he did in the first 
minutes against Coventry
Firpo - 7. I thought he was lively and arguably our best forward :)
Rodon - 6. Not his best game. Some of his passing was awful 
Ampadu - 7. Seems untroubled. 
Kamara - 7. Won some battles 
Gruev - 7. Tidy as always 
James - 4. Not in the game 
Summerville - 7. Our most lively player as always 
Bamford - 5. Worked hard but not effective 
Rutter - 4. Hit the South Stand roof a couple of times, lost the ball a lot of 
the time. Not even sure he's worth his place in the team at the moment.  
Subs: 
Joseph - I know he's done well recently but I was shocked to see his lack of 
movement when he came on. He really didn't have any impact on the game. 
Gnonto - lively. Needs to start now. 
Roberts - also made an impact 
Will we make it ? 
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Re: [LU] Kalvin?

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 Isn't this exactly as it was supposed to play out ? 
Before Bielsa, Phillips was hopeless. Bielsa gave him the ideal role where his 
pace wasn't exposed in a unique system. It worked the majority of the time but 
even then he had some stinkers with Bielsa subbing him early (at half time 
once) a few times. He was never going to be nearly good enough for City but one 
good England game against poor opposition at Wembley and a few average 
performances sat next Declan Rice and others in midfield seemed to have fooled 
some people. Pep obviously took one look at him in training and decided he 
wasn't good enough. A good manager ! He played a ridiculous amount of football 
for City over 2 years and the one thing we know about KP is that he was always 
slow to get back to form after absence. So now he's thrown on the frontline for 
the Hammers and he hasn't a chance. Playing as an out and out midfielder in the 
premier league he just stands out as not being good enough and he's still not 
getting the game time because he's making mistakes and showing his lack of pace 
every game. He's so slow and he's never going to be good enough. 
Would I have him back at Leeds ? No way., especially if we get promoted. 
The only way back for Philips is for him to accept what he is and drop down a 
league or 2 and try to rebuild his career. 
He's got enough brass though so we shouldn't feel sorry for him. 
The Yorkshire Piroe - not a chance. 

On Wednesday, 3 April 2024 at 15:34:21 BST, Simon McNally via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 The transfer rumours page on bbc sport reckoned citeh would want £30m for him.
Seems steep given his lack of game time for two seasons.
He’s not coped with going from Bielsa, who built the team around him, to other 
coaches who expect him to fit in their style of play.


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From: Leedslist  on behalf of Matt via Leedslist 

Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 3:12:11 PM
To: Leeds List 2010 ; Nick 
Subject: Re: [LU] Kalvin?


We'd need to get promoted first as i suspect Man City will still want
£10m+

If we are promoted i suspect midfield will need to be upgraded - though
Kamara looks more vulnerable than Gruev (who we really missed on Monday)
and that's not really Kalvin's position.

Easy to dismiss him as a Bielsa only player but he was Englands best
player at Euro 2021, his confidence is shot at the moment though.

Weird to feel sorry for him, even though he will probably earn more this
year than i will in my life.

Matt

-- Original Message --
From: "Nick" 
To: "Leeds List 2010" 
Sent: Wednesday, 3 Apr, 24 At 14:10
Subject: [LU] Kalvin?
Seeing quite a bit of “speculation” that KP might come back to Leeds in
the summer.
Loved him under Bielsa… but he was pretty average prior to those master
classes.
And, who would he replace…not Gruev, possibly Kamara, & hopefully he
wouldn’t block Archie Gray’s development.
I think that ship might have sailed.
Nick
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Re: [LU] Bristol City 1 Leicester 0

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

Yep , no more games in hand for others now. We’re top and it’s in our own 
hands. 




On Friday, March 29, 2024, 2:23 pm, John Boocock  wrote:

Bristol City 1 Leicester 0

Damage done.

Betty

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Re: [LU] Millwall

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 few things from me. 
It was warm

They had some cool Guinness serving machines in the West Stand and it was 
actually decent to drink
Millwall were awful and just came for a 0-0 and tried to kick us of the park 
It was one of the lowest crowds of the season due to the terrible away support.
We should have had a pen but I too don't care and really don't want VAR back at 
our games. 
Luke Ayling appeared in the Peacock (or the Luke Ayling pub as now known) 
SCores
Meslier - 7 - one decent save late on Gray - 8 Firpo - 7Rodon - 8Ampadu - 
8Kamara - 7Gruev - 7Rutter - 7Summerville - 8 Bamford - 7 Gnonto - 7 (great 
goal) 
Subs: James - 8 

On Monday, 18 March 2024 at 10:20:58 GMT, nattan--- via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 The " no-one likes us" derby as some repoter called jt, ended as it should 
with 3pts and us " top top top of the league"


  
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[LU] Leicester

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Very special night - right up there cos I just didn't see it coming. I thought 
we might scrape an equalised towards the end but the subs were inspired if not 
obvious. Bamford is a different level to Piroe and if there's one guy who is 
struggling in this team it's Piroe. He hasn't get the legs to harry and hassle 
and looks like someone who doesn't know how to play as a no 9 at this level. 
Shame, cos he knows where the goal is. Anyway, back to the night and I was in 
the West Stand in front of some old kid who commented that he'd never 
experienced anything quite like this in the West Stand. Everyone stood up for 
long periods dancing and singing "Let's go f;cking mental' . Archie's goal for 
me is in the top 10 goals of all time. I just love the bloke, so talented and 
for me he plays in midfield not as a right back (or left back). When that goal 
went in I hugged the bloke next to me and lifted him up, I think he was a taken 
aback but then for the 3rd he pounced on me. Fun in the stands that I haven't 
experienced for a while   and in the West Stand 
I thought Leicester were great for the first 60 mins. Stopped us playing our 
game and basically stamped all over us. Summerville hardly touched the ball in 
the first half and Rutter was losing possession and marked out of the game. 
Their defence looked top draw and in Dewsbury-Hall (weird name, has anyone been 
to Dewsbury Town Hall ?) they had the best player on the pitch and arguably the 
best I've seen this season. Great passer , mover and can go past people with 
ease. Needs to be playing in the premier league. Hang on a minute though, there 
is another player just as good at going past people with ease and that's 
Rutter. After a poor first half he came alive, winning balls, setting up 
attacks and beating people. When he danced through the middle and was taken out 
for the 3rd goal free kick, surely that was a red card. He would have scored ! 
Anyway, didn't matter. 
How Leicester didn't finish off the game was beyond belief. Firpo was taken off 
as he was a liability and kept losing the ball (I don't think we can have him 
in the team cos he can't defend) and they had chance after chance including a 
disallowed goal that wasn't. If they'd got that 2nd I think it would have been 
a different result. They didn't and the rest is history. Nights like this are 
what you live for. 
Scores:
Meslier - 8. Kept us in it with good saves in each half.
Gray - 7. Torrid time against a good Leicester winger but he stuck to his job 
and did a better job than Firpo at left back. Shame his goal is going down as 
an OG.
Firpo-5. Struggled 2nd half, looked tired and ragged. 
Ampadu - 7. Had to work hard but I loved the way he drove forward in that 2nd 
half making you realise that we do lose a bit of that without him in midfield 
however I think his contribution to the defence speaks for itself. 
Rodon - 7. Had a few moments and also was given the runaround a few times which 
we haven't really seen before but he stuck to the task. 
Gruev - 8. Worked tirelessly and drove us back in the game. What a great player 
he is. 
Kamara - 7. He was all over the place, lost some duels, won some but it was 
definitely a fully committed performance. 
Rutter - 8. Poor first half but that was mainly down to how good they were. 2nd 
half he just ran them ragged. They've never come across a beast like Rutter. 
What a player and what a sight when he's in full flow. I'm not sure I've seen a 
player like him before. Ok, we're in League 2 but he is mesmerising to watch. 
Gnonto - 5. Definitely not his night but again I just think that's down to how 
well they defended. He hardly got a kick. 
Summerville - 6. Quite night. They did a good job on him for 60 mins but he 
came into it and nearly scored. 
Piroe - 3. It's sad to see one of the players really struggling and everyone 
just wants Bamford back asap. He's going to be warming the bench for a while 
and when we get promoted I think he's one who definitely won't be able to play 
in the PL. 
Subs:
Bamford - 8. Brilliant performance. Made a massive difference and unsettled 
them from the minute he walked on the pitch. 
James - 8. Same. Really lively. He can't be left out. 
Roberts - 8. What a goal ? and what a tackle on Dewsbury-Hall (I think ?) - 
nearly decapitated him. Probably a red. 
and the Leicester fans sang "Where's your famous atmosphere?" - I know for 
sure, they've never experienced anything like that. Filbert street was a morgue 
and the new stadium is awful. 
Leicester may still win the league but they can't beat us ! 6 points, thank you 
v.much, 
Ended up in the Green Room (next to West Riding) till the early hours - just 
buzzing. Even with a hangover today I'm buzzing and just keep watching all of 
the clips on X. 
What a season ! What a manager ! What a team ! but we've still got it all to 
do. Can you see us losing a game now though ? I can't, but we are Leeds United. 

Re: [LU] Norwich

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 Agreed. Wagner's teams are always hard to play against but last night despite 
them taking total control in the 2nd half, Miesler had nothing to do. It was 
only a bit of panic late on in our defence that caused concern. 
Also, I don't think I've ever seen a keeper go up for a free kick ? and why on 
earth didn't the ref play advantage when we broke - worst decision ever as it 
was a certain 2 nil. 
Think Gruev and Kamara together are too defensive. Gruev's playing the Philips 
role in front of the back four and frequently drops into the backline and 
Kamara gets through some good work but is predominantly a DM. 
I criticised Rutter as a no 9 (he isn't) but he's certainly finding his role as 
a 10. Great to watch. Ok, most things didn't come off last night but I love to 
see a player with confidence who can step past people with ease. Love watching 
him. 
Bamford is our best no 9. Didn't have a great game but scored his goal and ran 
around a lot. He should have been in the team earlier in the season. 
Hope Archie's injury isn't serious because he's been the player of the season 
for me and whilst he's done great a right back, I can't help think that he 
needs to be in midfield ? 
Plymouth will be interesting. We've got a few knocks but we're on such a good 
run, I'd play the first XI and smash em and move on. 

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 A hard fought and forgettable match but another 3 pts - points we need to have 
any chance of automatic promotion. They were a strange team , they had huge 
periods of possession especially at the start of the second half,  but seemed 
content to just keep the ball a la Japp Stams Reading a few seasons ago,  and 
not attempt to do anything with it. In fact during their longest period of 
possession it was us who had the only shot, a tame effort by Summerville after 
we took the ball off them  and attacked on the break They had one real chance 
of note all game , right on the stroke of half time with a good cross from 
their right which led to Archie Gray marking 2 players , luckily the one it 
fell to totally fluffed his kick. That apart they offered nothing but looked 
comfortable on the ball and made it hard for us. So overall it was fairly 
boring with lots of sideways passing but glimpses of sublime skill and flicks 
by Georginio and Summerville made it watchable,  and the one nik scoreline kept 
it tense, a second at any stage would  have been game over.Our goal on 15 
minutes was a worthy match winner -Georginio ( who has great work rate to go 
with his skills) won the ball, fed James who put in a lovely floated cross to 
the back post and Bamford headed home - 4 in 5 for him now. He had another shot 
pulled wide, Georginio had a shot saved as did Firpo, Summerville had another 
that just went the wrong side of the post, Anthony had a great chance but 
dawdled and was blocked, as we created plenty of half chances but could not get 
a second to lut it to bed.Still a vital 3 points and if we can beat Bristol on 
Friday night next week we go up to second albeit the other will have games in 
hand 
Dave
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Re: [LU] Next round of FA Cup

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Get your hotels booked lads !


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On Monday, January 8, 2024, 8:03 pm, John Boocock  wrote:

Plymouth at SOTG.
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Re: [LU] Line up.

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Efficient 3rd performance for once. Let’s see who we’re playing away to in the 
4th. 
wonder goal from Bamford and hopefully might shut the fans up who wanted him 
out of the club. We look much more balanced with him as no 9. 
Archie is too good not to play in his proper position.
Firpo still hasn’t got a clue about defending and positioning.
Piroe not really working as a 10.
Gruev - not sure what he’s bringing 
All the rest did well ! 


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On Sunday, January 7, 2024, 2:25 pm, Billy-Bob Blob  
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But no Cresswell


> On 7 Jan 2024, at 10:21 pm, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Just realised Cooper is on the bench but carrying a knock,
> 
> KOT
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Re: [LU] Defender Djed Spence has returned to Tottenham from his loan spell at Leeds United.

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 Lazy twat apparently ! 
On Friday, 5 January 2024 at 07:46:15 GMT, John Boocock  
wrote:  
 
 And so it starts. 
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Re: [LU] 2nd half

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Might be a bit premature given the Ipswich result but it’s beginning to feel a 
bit like the end of Bielsa in that teams seem to know how to play against 
Farke’s slow, predictable 159 passes build up play by putting men behind the 
ball and making sure there’s no room to play and then they know they’ll get a 
chance from a set piece or counter and win the game.
Hopefully we’ll stuff Brum and Farke will somehow change his tactics for away 
games.
Darkow - 5. Strangely had nothing to do but what he did was poor.
Spence - 5. Disappointed at his best position but a lot of that might have been 
down to Gnonto who really didn’t help going forwards
Byram- 5. Did ok first half , unlucky with the goal 
Rodon- 7. Battled hard
Cooper - 6. Thought he did ok 
Gruev - 5. It was his best showing for us and he saw a lot of the ball but he 
is just a ball pusher and not a creator.
Ampadu - 6. Worked hard but doesn’t have the creativity 
Gnonto - 4. Should have had a pen but apart from that he looked rusty. Needs 
more game time but probably won’t get it after this.
Summerville- 5. Trying hard but it’s difficult to receive the ball and beat the 
5 men that are lined up in front of you.
Rutter - 6. Ditto but did have some success. Should have scored first half. Not 
a no 9
Piroe - 2. Totally ineffective as our no 10
Subs:James - 7. Made an impact
Bamford - 5 BUT for me he shows there is another option by playing over the top 
and running on to balls. It’s obvious though that Farke isn’t practicing this 
in training though cos we can’t do it at the moment but for me it’s Bamford in 
at no 9 in the New Year.



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On Friday, December 29, 2023, 10:26 pm, Simon McNally  
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Hope the radio Leeds folks ask Farke some proper questions. 
We lost all pretence of shape after all the attacking subs and to be honest I’m 
as likely to score from the sofa as Bamford was on the pitch.
With the quality of players we have at our disposal that was simply 
unacceptable, as was Preston and Sunderland.
Piroe as a 10 might work at home but in these away games we look short in 
midfield.I’d like to see a midfield trio of Ampadu, Kamara and Gray / Gruev. 
With the available players for the front three we’d still be potent but with 
more control in midfield.
I don’t think 4th is good enough for the squad we have and we need to figure 
out how to play against the low block.
What worries me is that the rest of the championship have been given a 
blueprint of how to nullify us.


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To: Simon McNally ; leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 

Subject: Re: [LU] 2nd half Absolute dogshit. Gruev’s free kick at the end 
summed the game up for me. Just not good enough against a very average West 
Brom team. 
Commentators keep reminded us how devastating we are in attack when if truth be 
known in these last few away games we’re totally toothless. 
What did Piroe offer today ? Nothing 
Very , very disappointing 


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On Friday, December 29, 2023, 9:48 pm, Simon McNally via Leedslist 
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More poor play.

Have we even had a shot?

Another game like Sunderland and PNE where I’m struggling to think of a decent 
save their keeper has had to make.

Not a fan of this plan if chucking on loads of attacking players, seems to 
affect shape / control.

Ffs.

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Re: [LU] 2nd half

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Absolute dogshit. Gruev’s free kick at the end summed the game up for me. Just 
not good enough against a very average West Brom team. 
Commentators keep reminded us how devastating we are in attack when if truth be 
known in these last few away games we’re totally toothless. 
What did Piroe offer today ? Nothing 
Very , very disappointing 


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On Friday, December 29, 2023, 9:48 pm, Simon McNally via Leedslist 
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More poor play.

Have we even had a shot?

Another game like Sunderland and PNE where I’m struggling to think of a decent 
save their keeper has had to make.

Not a fan of this plan if chucking on loads of attacking players, seems to 
affect shape / control.

Ffs.

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Re: [LU] HT thoughts

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I love Summerville but how can you get a knock on your heel and play dead for 2 
minutes as the game goes on around you. Take the fucking gloves off you cunt 
and grow a pair.
Thought we were poor but I don’t think they’re much better so all to play for. 
Gruev isn’t impressing and Gnonto looks like a player who hasn’t played for 
months which he is.
Rutter isn’t a no 9 and it’s obvious in these away games - all his good work 
comes from deep and on the wing. Yet Piroe offers nothing in midfield.
3-2 Leeds 


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Trying not to be furious again.

Should have had a pen but keep leaving their only decent player in acres of 
space.

Piroe anonymous, Gnonto poor. Time for a rethink re formation for these away 
games.

I hate football.

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Re: [LU] Preston match

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Good observations Kev, as always.
I think playing the right players in their best positions is the fundamental 
tactic of a half decent team. Yes ok, we all know players need to be able to 
adapt but when you’ve got top right backs playing left back and promising, 
young midfielders playing right back etc you know something isn’t right, and 
yes we all get used to it and at home games when you’re hammering your rivals 
you fall into it. I even suggested Archie might make the progression to 
England’s right back as Snods had before. Naive and short sighted. Today showed 
us Archie is lacking as a right back and if we want him to progress into the 
England player he might be we need to play him in his proper position.

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As I said after the cov game, my jan shopping list would be number one a left 
back and number two a goalkeeper.

His idiotic sending off cost us today but I thought we were disappointing 
throughout.
Farke has done a good job but he doesn’t seem to have an answer to teams that 
sit deep and try to counter us.

I was surprised he left Archie on against Millar who’d given him a difficult 
afternoon.

As Rich said in one of his reports, the Rutter / Piroe works best in games when 
we have space to attack in behind. I think this sort of game warrants a 
different approach.

Thought Struijk and Rodon were excellent, Ampadu and Kamara solid but the front 
four never really clicked.

Willy didn’t really do much when he came on (again) other than waste free kicks 
but I thought Gruev looked tidy.

I’m not sure about chucking Bamford on for a midfielder when we are chasing the 
game, I don’t think he even touched the ball.

Thoroughly disappointed and now we are fourth. Feels like we’ve wasted that 
excellent result from Saturday.

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Subject: [LU] Preston match

A bit disappointing as Leeds never really got going in an even first half.
Preston had set out to intimidate Leeds physically, and did it very
successfully.

Meslier’s stupid sending off and then Preston’s immediate goal made it too
hard. James’s penalty was a bit fortuitous, I’d have been livid if one like
that went against us, but it was well despatched by Pascal, who had an
excellent game.

To be fair we were right in the game at that point.  Browne who had already
been booked was lucky not to get a 2nd yellow for a foul on Rutter.  But
the set pieces, which are so important when down to 10 were all very poorly
delivered.

Their winner was brilliantly created and put away by Miller, who gave
Archie a tough time throughout.

I felt sorry for Archie, by this time operating on the right of a 3.  He
was constantly left 1 v 1 against Preston’s best player, when there are
more experienced right backs to put there.
I think I’d like to see Byram and Spence in those positions at WBA.

Rutter is beginning to impress me and I think a Salah type role on the
right would suit him more.

I’d almost be tempted to play Piroe in a Firminho type position with
Summerville and Rutter, shifting Archie into midfield with Kamara and
Ampadu.

Still plenty of games to go, but today was a setback,

KOT
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Re: [LU] Tractor boys

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Great win but not perfect as some are saying. We put ourselves under loads of 
pressure early doors with the aimless passing across the back and Meslier 
didn’t help with some really poor kicking straight into touch.But once we got 
going we were good value and the 2nd half was the best we’ve played this season 
as Ipswich never really had a kick and ended up making multiple subs not to win 
the game but to protect players for their game against Leicester on Boxing 
Day.The Piroe / Rutter 10/9 combination worked as it tends to do in home games 
where we have the momentum - it’s away games that are sometimes the problem. 
Summerville continues to look a threat every time he gets the ball and still in 
my eyes is the most exciting talent playing British football in any league. Big 
bids incoming ! Great pen as well.Piroe’s goal was top drawer even if we were a 
bit lucky in the build up. Archie Gray looked like a right back and he is 
starting to get more confident going forward. I remember Ian Snodin converting 
to right back from central midfield and ended up playing for England and would 
have had a lot more caps had he not got injured. Who knows with Archie ? 
Although I think he’s got too much to offer in midfield.Ipswich fans couldn’t 
sell their tickets and looked like they realised that it might not be a stroll 
for them this season. Leif Davis has been getting the plaudits this season as 
the best left back in the division. I think not. He’s another left back who 
can’t defend. Ok going forward but really suspect in defence. His own goal was 
a highlight.The South Stand sang ‘you’ve seen Firpo now fuck off home’ which 
made me smile.
Bring on Preston
Meslier - 6. Nothing to do, kicking rubbish.
Gray - 8. Majestic 
Spence - 8. Great attacking in first half. Unfortunately everytime he got 
himself into a great position in the box his left foot cross let him down.
Rodon - 8. Comfortable
Struijk - 8. Ditto
Ampadu - 8. Some great interceptions 
Kamara - 7. Battling performance 
Summerville- 9. Class 
Piroe - 8. Much needed performance and top class goal with his wrong foot
James - 7. Great first half an hour but his final ball remains poor.
Rutter - 9. Top performance- his vision / passing is fantastic and today he 
battled like a no 9. 
Subs - not sure Bamford touched the ball others didn’t do much

Happy Christmas !

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Merry Christmas everyone.  What a start to the festive season. A must win game 
was won ( in the end at a canter) They had one snap shot that hit the post at 
2-0 and created no other, even half chances throughout the game.3 0 flattered 
us a bit at half time as we got the luck and the rub of the green a few times 
but by the end there was a real gulf in class as we destroyed them.
A corner in the first 10 mins ( " lets score a scruffy goal from a corner 
Dave 
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[LU] Coventry

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I'd forgotten that God awful song that they sing  'We all sing together 
 la la la' - took me right back to the Hillsborough semi-final. Rubbish 
song, rubbish city, rubbish fans and they had the cheek to sing "Leeds is a 
shithole I want to go home". Made me laugh and think of Ghost Town.
To be fair to their team I thought they were ok. A bit like Sunderland, they 
came with damage limitation in mind and to kick everything that moved which 
they got away with due to a really, really poor ref. He didn't look in shape 
and his brain was obviously running slow because time and time again they 
hacked at our players and he didn't take any action. I think this is the way to 
play us, be solid, get everyone behind the ball and then get us on the counter, 
which is what happened. 
First half I thought we huffed and puffed and got into some good positions but 
poor finishing cost us. Rutter spent most of the half on his arse as usual and 
when he did get a chance he fluffed it. My mate said he's either world class or 
a spastic. He was a spastic in that first half. Very frustrating. Most of our 
best work was down the left with Spence and Summerville but  when we did manage 
to work our way  into the box the last pass or cross was lacking. At the other 
end Coventry did have numerous counters and their tricky right winger skinned 
Spence to create a good chance. Meslier also made a decent save from a shot 
outside the box. They were dangerous on the counter and I think as a team it's 
far too to pass and progress through our midfield. This is obviously the 
downside to playing 4 attackers with one of them (Piroe) in midfield. Piroe is 
never a midfielder, not even close. Yes he's tidy on the ball at times but most 
of the time without the ball he's a passenger.
I think we need to look at playing with 3 midfielder (proper midfielders) in 
some games especially away from home. New left back in Jan, spence to right 
back , Archie into midfield. Bidwell for them must be 30+ but he's solid , can 
defend and get forward. That's all we need from a left back in this league.
Then there's the argument about who to play up front ? For me, Rutter is great 
to watch (the world class version not the spastic) but there's no way he's a 
number 9. He misses chance after chance after brilliantly setting them up. He's 
a great passer of the ball and for someone who at times looks like he's on 
cloud 9 (he doesn't watch the offside line for instance) he does have great 
awareness. If he's gonna play I think he is the one to play as a 10 or a winger 
but NOT as a no 9. Rutter's assist for Summerville's 2nd half goal was 
fantastic.Maybe an unopular view, but I would play Bamford at no 9. Ok, he's 
coming on and looking like he's never played as he loses possession and the 
ball bobbles of his shin. He's trying too hard but watch the runs he makes. 
He's totally not tuned into his team mates though so he looks a bit stupid but 
given a run I have no doubt he will score in most matches. He might not get the 
chance to prove me right though.
Second half, I thought we played well and on another day maybe this is a 3-1 , 
4-1 result but our finishing was poor and because of that we only got the 
point. Their goal was awful. Their centre half decided to go for a wander into 
the box. Their tricky  right winger floated over a decent cross and we just 
couldn't deal with it. Was it Archie of Rodon ? Whoever it was should have done 
better. Poor defending. If it was Rodon, it was probably his only mistake 
because he did really well against a really tricky, pacey and strong forward 
(Simms).
The game started to get tetchy and ref started booking everyone which was 
totally at odds to his first half approach. It threatened to boil over and 
Summervile looked like he lost his head at the final whistle. He was on a 
yellow so very stupid. Luckily he didn't get a red.
Scores:
Meslier - 7. I need to see the goal again but if he wasn't at fault then he 
really didn't have much to do. 
Spence - 7. I like the look of Spence. He's tall, pacey, skillfull and strong. 
Yes he got skinned by the tricky winger but I think that lad could do that to 
anyone. He needs to play in his proper position though. I think if he can keep 
injury free he will be a great right back.
Gray - 7. I love Archie Gray, such a majestic footballer but unfortunately 
another player playing out of position. Get him in midfield.
Rodon - 7. Solid, strong defending throughout. If it was him who went up for 
the header for the goal then I'll give him a 6 cos that was a big moment. 
Struijk - 7. I thought he did well and pushed forward when he can. He's 
impressed me this season. I was never a fan and he was obviously not good 
enough in the PL but he's found is level and is operating well. 
Kamara - 7. Worked hard and kept us ticking along. I think he struggles when 
he's on the back foot and him and Ampadu really struggle at times when teams 
counter us. 
Ampedu - 7. Some 

Re: [LU] Swansea

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 Agree with all that especially Piroe who definitely had his bestgame.Very 
commanding in an advanced midfield role and he got his goal which backs up 
Farke's theory. 
I think Sumerville is excellent and I agree that he could go right to the top. 
I think he's got more 'in his locker' than Sterling ever had. He's one of those 
rare players that you know something is going to happen when it gets the ball. 
Eddie Gray had that ability but none many do. I can't currently same the same 
about Rutter, but he does do things that you don't often see on a football 
pitch especially at this level, I think he just needs some consistency. He was 
awful at Rotherham. 
I also think Swansea caused us a lot of problems in the first half without 
testing the keeper much but they were lively and overall it was a good win.
Bamford is trying way to hard but he looks fit and you just know he will score 
goals if given the chance but at the moment you just can't drop Piroe or 
Rutter. 
I see Farke was talking about Ayling and his decision to exclude him from the 
squad because of Gray and Spence's inclusion. Said it was one of the hardest 
decisions he's had to make. Unfortunately, Ayling has declined rapidly and 
everytime he plays now you can see his legs have gone. I think Liam C is on the 
way as well. 
  
On Thursday, 30 November 2023 at 16:44:14 GMT, Robert Heath 
 wrote:  
 
 That was my first time seeing Farke's Farkers in the flesh. The atmosphere
was indeed weirdly flat. Credit to the Welsh who managed to enliven things
for the last 20 mins with a nonstop rendition of an (obviously new) chant
about Yanick Bolasie.


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Re: [LU] Kamara

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

Agree. Reminds of Dacourt



On Friday, November 3, 2023, 10:13 pm, John Boocock  wrote:

How good was that tonight? There is certainly some belief there. Kamara deffo 
my MOTM but in a very, very good field. 

To see a team actually wanting to win and being able to win is a refreshing 
change. Poor old Meslier,only had to make one save but what a heartstopper. 
Felt sorry for the Leicester lad who hit the post. Bet he really wanted that 
motor boat.

Right, back to my Medieval Scottish History dissertation. Death of James I 
anyone?

Betty
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Re: [LU] Engerland

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

He is a lovely lad and he’s taken the platform that Bielsa gave him and made 
the most of it. It’s no surprise at all that he’s hardly played for City in 2 
years because he’s simply not at their standard but hopefully the experience 
he’s had will land him a shot at another PL club. Ultimately though I think he 
is a championship midfielder and I think that’s where he will end up or warming 
the bench at West Ham/ Bournemouth / Palace.




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On Wednesday, October 18, 2023, 1:07 pm, John Boocock  wrote:

The actual interview I saw was of a lad saying something with a broad 
grin. What he said made me smile too. He is a good lad and his career is 
his business. Does anyone really think he would have stayed at SOTG had 
he been facing a life in division 2?

I hope he does well (at West Ham if my spies are correct)

Betty

On 18/10/2023 09:51, Richard & Alex wrote:
> Can't see where he's crying?  He stayed at least twice when he could have 
> gone and got richer and helped us get to the Premier and still stayed.  I 
> think most top athletes would try and make it at the very top of their sport, 
> if he's failed, then at least he tried.  Was a fantastic servant to the Club.
>
>
> If he wanted to play football, he should never have joined Man City. He went 
> there to get rich, and he now is. Good luck to him. But he can’t cry about 
> not getting game time… that was absolutely inevitable.
>
> On 18 Oct 2023, at 08:14, John Boocock  wrote:
>
> 'I was happy to put on a white shirt again' Philips K. Leeds and England.
>
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Re: [LU] Quiet after the weekend

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 Agree about Rutter. Not even close to being a no 9 and yes it's ok turning on 
the style when you're 2 up against a shite Watford team but it's different 
story when you're struggling away at Soton. His best work was on the wing last 
weekend but I'm not sure he's a winger. 
We've bought a 20+ goal striker and then we play him in midfield. 
I wouldn't play Cooper and Struijk in the conference.
A few things not right but it's early days for us and Farke.


On Tuesday, 3 October 2023 at 14:29:38 BST, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 All very quiet after the weekend performance.  I guess the team are allowed
a game where the never really get going. Conversely Soton took every
opportunity they got and Leeds could not really come to terms with Alcaraz?
Playing the false 9.  Cooper in particular was dragged into all sorts of
strange areas.
I don't think him and Struijk work too well together and think I would
prefer to see Rodon with one or other.

Whilst Farke has done well to get anything like a decent squad/team
together I dothink there are areas where the balance is all wrong.

Having right footers at left-back and left wing seems to really limit the
success down that side. Summerville and James when on that side only come
back inside, as do Shackleton or Byram at Left back.  Anthony looks the
best bet for the moment as although right footed, he is preepared to go
both ways.  I'd pick Summerville on the right ahead of James as he has more
Variety.

It is not getting the best out of Piroe at No 10.  Him playing 2nd striker,
means that the midfield is often outnumbered. I'd like to see him up front,
but confess I don't know who would go in the 10 role.  Perhaps a 3 man
midfield of Ampaudu, Kamara and Gray.

Lastly I'm not sure about Rutter. He did have a blinder v Watford, but he
looks to me like one of those players who frustrates 90% of the time, then
does something brilliant. As when he raced round the Soton defence and then
made a poor choice.

Perhaps he would be best cutting in from the right to join the attack from
there.

Anyway, if we win the next 2 home games we will be back on track, so it
might be better than I fear.

KOT.
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Re: [LU] Return to Yesteryear

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Happy Birthday year John.
I bet you didn’t enjoy that too much though ? I spent the best part of 3 hours 
driving due to train strikes to watch this shambles then sat in the East Stand 
facing the sun and sweating like a pig.Yes it’s early days and you have to say 
that despite all the upheaval we’ve been the best team in every game even 
against Brum where we had a severely weakened team. However, today was severely 
shite and we just failed to break down a team full of big lumps despite having 
a lot of good chances.The tactics were dodgy. We needed a striker so we bought 
a proven 20+ goals a season striker,, who scored on his debut and then we 
played him today in midfield behind Rutter? Ok, it didn’t work but why not 
change it during the game ? Poor management from Farke. Players playing out of 
position again. Shack did everything you could have expected of him as a left 
back but he isn’t ! Why did we not sign a left back ?I watched Ruttter closely 
today and he fluffed our two best chances but apart from that he likes to lack 
any positional sense and us balance when he runs is all over the place. He’s a 
real concern for me cos he’s a player with ability but one you know will never 
make the grade because he hasn’t got a footballing brain.
The defence worries me as well. Struijk struggled in the PL but I think he’s 
also struggling now and Im yet to be convinced by Robon.
The play from the back is laborious and reminds me of past times. Quite simply 
we’re not good enough to play theatre game yet.
Scores 
Meslier- 9 kept us in it  - they had a couple of really good chances
Ayling - 6. Missed a sited from 5 yards with his head but battled hard and 
tried to make things happen second half.
Shackleton- 8. Worked tirelessly with Willy all match. Just laughed at that 
sentence. I’m on on the Northern Monk !
Struijk - 6. Generally ok but lost out a few times.
Rodon - 6. Not sure , he’s certainly no Ben White
Gray - 5. I don’t think he does enough. I feel he could more and has the 
ability to do more. Lost possession in the middle of the park for one of their 
best chances. 
Ampadu - 6. I thought he did ok
Piroe - 4. Totally lost in midfield 
Summerville- 5. I’m his no 1 fan but he was all over the place today and aim 
not sure he knew what to do 
Gnonto - 8. Worked his socks off, always trying to get things going but he was 
a bit of a 1 man attack today .
Rutter - 4. Concerning performance- not a no 9, but what is he ?
Subs:
Price - 6. great last ditch tackle for his first touch. Didn’t look fit to me 
but he looks like he’s got potential 
Camara - looks like Dacourt. Hopefully as good. I think he touched the ball 
once.

Got to do bette than this and I think we will.







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On Saturday, September 2, 2023, 7:01 pm, N H  wrote:


A fine innings so far, Sir. Keep it up. Cheers!    On Saturday, September 2, 
2023 at 07:52:56 AM EDT, Brendan McWilliams  
wrote:  
 
 Happy Birthday John Boocock!

Have a(nother) great party!

All the best,

BMW


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Subject: Re: [LU] Return to Yesteryear

John,
I thought you were 80 ;-).

James.
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As part of my 70th Birthday year celebrations (my family have insisted

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Re: [LU] Incoming Number Latest - Gruev

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

962 assists though !


On Friday, September 1, 2023, 5:58 am, Damian WALSH 
 wrote:

He must be crap because he didn't score

Damian

Le jeu. 31 août 2023 à 22:45, Robert Heath  a
écrit :

> Werder Bremen beat Hanover 963-0 on his debut ?! Wow!
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2023 at 7:35 PM John Boocock  wrote:
>
> > Leeds United are delighted to announce the signing of Ilia Gruev from
> > Bundesliga side SV Werder Bremen, subject to international clearance and
> > a work permit.
> >
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Re: [LU] Bye bye jack

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 Agree with all that. Harrison, only 1 cross out of 13 was decent and his 
passing at times was terrible. He had a knack of finding an opposition shirt 
with ease. 
The team we put out against Brum was a Div 3 team, absolutely no quality 
whatsoever and we could have played all week and not scored. Thing is, unless 
Farke's taking off his leather jacket and playing up front I'm not sure he can 
change it much if Sini, Willy and Summerville won't play / are injured. Did you 
see Farke in his leather jacket ? It was boiling and he was pacing up and down 
in his leather jacket , pissing sweat like a pig. Very strange. 
This is an unbelievable position we find ourselves in and yes it is comparable 
to some of the shambles in the past. I've never been that criticial of Raz, 
Orta and Kinnear because of Bielsa but this has just ruined everything and they 
will be remembered for it. 
Total shambles. 
I missed the first 2 games because of a holiday but am back for Friday but it 
certainly won't be anything like the 4-0 Pablo game and I'm expecting the 
worse. 
On Monday, 14 August 2023 at 11:12:15 BST, John Lee via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 Of all the players who’ve gone, Rodrigo aside, none of them were good enough 
for the Premier League. Obviously I’m hoping some serious recruitment plans are 
in place for the next 2/3 weeks, but the players who have gone pretty much got 
us relegated/almost relegated twice in 2 seasons - they simply are not good 
enough. Harrison scored some great goals, but his crossing was often woeful, 
and whilst he always tried, is that enough? And when we needed him now, he’s 
buggered off! OK, it’s a short career etc, but for me he’s on the 
quitters/mutineers list. 

If I had a season ticket I might be questioning exactly what I have paid to 
watch, but this clear-out is long overdue - hopefully this is the start of the 
club being run professionally (famous last words). On the still not yet gone 
list, I hope Adams, Summerville and Sinisterra can be co-erced into staying, 
but it seems like the entire first team will be gone soon!

It almost makes the Cellino era look settled - almost ;-) 


  
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Re: [LU] Gnonto

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

Indeed.
What a bellend :)


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On Saturday, August 12, 2023, 11:17 am, Jim Moran  wrote:

Seems the famous chant we had for him had the last few words in the wrong
order.

On Sat, 12 Aug 2023 at 10:05, nattan--- via Leedslist 
wrote:

> it is going to be interesting to see if our new owners will stick to their
> guns or are all mouth and no action. The statement could not be any clearer
> or more emphatic but all the usual media are ignoring that and still say he
> is off to  Everton , a couple of click bait ones even report that " leeds
> have named their price"
> I hope they refuse to pay his wages if he is in breach of contract and
> stand firm , players have too much power. Not sure where it all leaves
> gnonto , fans will find it hard to accept him back at ER , and if i were
> relegation-fighting Everton i would worry that he could ' spit his dummy
> out' if tnings go poorly so a big gamble
> Here is the " he is going nowhere " club official statement
>
> "Earlier this week, Willy Gnonto and his representatives were informed by
> the club that he would not be sold this summer.
>
> Following those conversations, Willy felt he was unable to play in
> Wednesday night’s Carabao Cup tie with Shrewsbury Town.
>
> Despite training for the last two days, Willy has informed Daniel Farke
> that he still does not feel able to play this weekend and has not travelled
> to Birmingham for the game tomorrow.
>
> This is now an internal disciplinary matter and the club will make no
> further comment, other than to reiterate that Willy Gnonto is not for sale."
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dave
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Re: [LU] Gnonto

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

What a cunt ! 


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On Saturday, August 12, 2023, 10:05 am, nattan--- via Leedslist 
 wrote:

it is going to be interesting to see if our new owners will stick to their guns 
or are all mouth and no action. The statement could not be any clearer or more 
emphatic but all the usual media are ignoring that and still say he is off to  
Everton , a couple of click bait ones even report that " leeds have named their 
price"
I hope they refuse to pay his wages if he is in breach of contract and stand 
firm , players have too much power. Not sure where it all leaves gnonto , fans 
will find it hard to accept him back at ER , and if i were relegation-fighting 
Everton i would worry that he could ' spit his dummy out' if tnings go poorly 
so a big gamble 
Here is the " he is going nowhere " club official statement 

"Earlier this week, Willy Gnonto and his representatives were informed by the 
club that he would not be sold this summer.

Following those conversations, Willy felt he was unable to play in Wednesday 
night’s Carabao Cup tie with Shrewsbury Town.

Despite training for the last two days, Willy has informed Daniel Farke that he 
still does not feel able to play this weekend and has not travelled to 
Birmingham for the game tomorrow.

This is now an internal disciplinary matter and the club will make no further 
comment, other than to reiterate that Willy Gnonto is not for sale."







Dave 
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Re: [LU] Scum

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 Loads of free links all over the place Dave.
Anyway, stronger side this half. I think we will win this. 
Hope so, then we can sing about it for the next 20 years. 

On Wednesday, 12 July 2023 at 17:05:06 BST, nattan--- via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 Against my better judgement i paid LUTV to watch this nonsense A team with 
Poveda and Shackleton making comebacks 
Obviously cant read anything much into it but it is clear Shack and Greenwood 
are not good enough
We have been very lax at the back giving them lots of chances after just giving 
them the ball,  thankfully they keep missing 
Weve looked decent on the break - Sinisterra and Rutter should rip championship 
apart if they stay 
Still 0 0 at half time 
Expect lots of changes 
Ground 3/4 full of scum if not more 

Dave 
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Re: [LU] New Manager

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 60 million apparently


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On Tuesday, July 4, 2023, 9:36 pm, Nicholas Armit  wrote:

Norwich spent barely anything I understood.


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On Tuesday, July 4, 2023, 1:42 PM, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:

Well , feck me we've got a manager ! 
14th in his first season with the Canaries so hopefully he can keep us up. 
Norwich fan at work says he was great in the championship after that first 
season but then ultimately failed at the top level despite spending a decent 
amount of brass. Maybe Daniel should consider renting in Beeston for a year, 
max 2 ? 
Been watching all the Twitter stuff from the club about players returning to 
training but it looks like a lot didn't bother which is really hard to 
understand given they are still under contract and we're still paying their 
wages although I'm hoping they were docked. I don't think there's many players 
in that team that came down that can do a good job at premier league level so I 
suspect most who leave will go abroad. I mean who is going to offer Roca a job 
? You'd have to be mad. 
Let's see what the next week brings.   
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[LU] New Manager

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

Well , feck me we've got a manager ! 
14th in his first season with the Canaries so hopefully he can keep us up. 
Norwich fan at work says he was great in the championship after that first 
season but then ultimately failed at the top level despite spending a decent 
amount of brass. Maybe Daniel should consider renting in Beeston for a year, 
max 2 ? 
Been watching all the Twitter stuff from the club about players returning to 
training but it looks like a lot didn't bother which is really hard to 
understand given they are still under contract and we're still paying their 
wages although I'm hoping they were docked. I don't think there's many players 
in that team that came down that can do a good job at premier league level so I 
suspect most who leave will go abroad. I mean who is going to offer Roca a job 
? You'd have to be mad. 
Let's see what the next week brings.   
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Re: [LU] All quiet on the manager front

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Could be a team of Cellinos and Batesys !


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On Friday, June 30, 2023, 1:46 pm, John Lee via Leedslist 
 wrote:

I think the Leeds ‘issue’ is the number of individual investors, like the golf 
guys, who all expressed an interest in having a finger in the pie, meaning due 
diligence being done on god alone knows how many people? On the face of it it’s 
slightly frustrating, but at least we haven’t got Cellino or Bates in the 
picture, so it could be worse.

I saw Sky Sports in Germany had briefly gone public with Farke being our new 
manager - who knows - could be much worse?

Until the club say something officially I believe nowt!



> On 30 Jun 2023, at 12:36, Wiggy  wrote:
> 
> Betty wrote:
> 
>> I have heard that, until the 49ers are signed off as
>> being 'fit and proper' by the EFL, everything is in
>> limbo. Given that ates was seen as squeaky clean
>> by those duffers it should be a breeze. Should it
>> not?
> 
> Chatting with a Reading ST holding mate yesterday, he’s fuming that their 
> current owner has dropped them in the financial shite (3rd lot of points 
> deductions, not paying wages nor tax, HMRC winding up order etc), having 
> previously completely killed off two clubs abroad . The F test isn’t worth 
> the paper it’s scrawled on.
> 
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Re: [LU] All quiet on the manager front

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 the rumour is there is lots going on behind the scene but until all the owners 
have passed the fit and proper owners test no comms are being issued. Should be 
soon though. 
this of course could be bullshit. 
On Wednesday, 28 June 2023 at 14:11:28 BST, Michael Benjamin 
 wrote:  
 
 
I stopped caring.
If the alternative is being owned by some degenerate or psychopath that thinks 
the Black Prince is something woke. 
This is not football anymore, we had a gift called Bielsa and we pissed it down 
the toilet. 

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-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Kevin Lewis via 
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Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2023 3:59 PM
To: Leeds List 2010 
Subject: [LU] All quiet on the manager front

I’m beginning to worry about the lack of a manager. When (some of) the players 
come back next week, who is going to take charge of training for a start?

I’m expecting around 12 of last years squeal to move on, and won’t be too sorry 
to lose half of them.

If that does happen, a combination of last years youngsters and returning 
loanees will be decent replacements for half a dozen at this level but someone 
is going to have to scout and sign around 6 first team players from somewhere.  
It would be nice if we are not scrambling round for key players as the season 
gets going.
With it being a short close season, it will affect our rivals too, but some of 
them have had a month’s start in building their squads.
KOT
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Re: [LU] 49ers now in charge

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 and I agree with your assessment also ! 
On Saturday, 10 June 2023 at 09:24:45 BST, Robert Heath 
 wrote:  
 
 !00% in agreement with that assessment Richard.except I fear that 
"what Adams wants" is a move to Liverpool or Newcastle.
On Sat, Jun 10, 2023 at 6:55 AM Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:

I remember last time we had a takeover by a group who really didn’t have the 
club at heart, the Elland Road crowd clapped them as they walked around the 
pitch on a warm Summer’s day and Wales up to the East Stand boxes. I didn’t - 
they looked like chancers and they were. Yes, they took over from Ken Bates but 
were actually worse owners.49ers at least know sport and at least know success 
BUT do they really care about English ‘soccer’ ? Let’s hope so! First thing 
they could do is make Tyler Adams captain and give him what he wants.


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On Friday, June 9, 2023, 11:09 pm, John Boocock  wrote:

Nuff said
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Re: [LU] 49ers now in charge

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

I remember last time we had a takeover by a group who really didn’t have the 
club at heart, the Elland Road crowd clapped them as they walked around the 
pitch on a warm Summer’s day and Wales up to the East Stand boxes. I didn’t - 
they looked like chancers and they were. Yes, they took over from Ken Bates but 
were actually worse owners.49ers at least know sport and at least know success 
BUT do they really care about English ‘soccer’ ? Let’s hope so! First thing 
they could do is make Tyler Adams captain and give him what he wants.


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On Friday, June 9, 2023, 11:09 pm, John Boocock  wrote:

Nuff said
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Re: [LU] Popecast

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

Have listened to them all season. Pretty good 





On Friday, June 2, 2023, 7:24 pm, John Boocock  wrote:

Spend half an hour listening to this then tell me what you think (you will 
won't you )

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0frnmms

Bertram
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Re: [LU] Finally all over.

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Can anyone explain that team Big Sam picked yesterday? 6 defenders ? And then 
he came out with the same team for the 2nd half. I’m not blaming BS for this 
mess but how on earth you can go into a game like this defensively minded is 
beyond me.6 defenders and we’re 1 down within seconds. Desperate day.


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On Sunday, May 28, 2023, 11:55 pm, Alec McQueen  wrote:

Time to try to clear the decks, but all depends on who they can persuade to 
manage us in the Championship. It won’t be easy, and I foresee around 6th or so 
next season. Leicester will come straight back up as Champions. 

The Rutter signing now looks utterly ridiculous from the perspective of the 
Championship. What a waste. 

The main bright point: I think we signed quite a few good young players who 
have been playing well in the U23s… if we can get them to stay, get them into 
the first team asap, and sell/terminate the old guard. 

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> On 29 May 2023, at 08:15, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Meant to say we are ‘not quite’ in the same financial shit as with previous
> relegations, so at least we’ll get good money for some of those who will
> want to leave. The worry is that some of the rubbish won’t.
> 
>> On Sun, 28 May 2023 at 22:59,  wrote:
>> 
>> At least we are not in a Ridsdale scenario? Undoubtedly some
>> average>hapless players bought, but we were gambling, and eventually our
>> luck ran out. We deserve to go down, we have not been competitive enough
>> consistently, and the club needs rodding through to clear the sh*te!
>> 
>> What comes next will be interesting to see - I’m really hoping some of the
>> recently acquired ‘stars’ leave asap - I don’t see them even being
>> Championship quality!
>> 
>> They think it’s all over - it is now! And thank god for that!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 28 May 2023, at 23:06, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist <
>> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well that was underwhelming.
>>> The same individual defensive errors that have been prevalent for the
>> last
>>> 4 years have finally taken their toll.
>>> Coupled with the ability to give away possession softly when committing
>>> people forward which no manager pr team selection has been able to stop.
>>> 
>>> Is anything remaining of the rise under Bielsa, or are we back to the 8
>>> years of dross that preceded him?
>>> 
>>> Radrizani has sorted out a lot of stuff off pitch to be fair, and we are
>> in
>>> the same financial shit as with previous relegations,  but his (and
>> Orta’s
>>> before he left) decisions and actions around players and managers over
>> the
>>> past few years have been abysmal. Somehow he now has to appoint the right
>>> people and sign the right players to reverse it.
>>> 
>>> KOT
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Re: [LU] Twitter & Bamford

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Disgraceful. Aside from the pen miss I thought he did ok. Looking a bit sharper.


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On Sunday, May 14, 2023, 1:04 pm, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk 
 wrote:


Can’t get my head round the “Leeds fans” on Twitter telling Bamford to top 
himself and wishing bad stuff on his family.

These daft bastards were also singing for Gary Speed during the match.

It is a game of football.

Nick

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Re: [LU] Big Sam.

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 he's coming in at centre back not manager. Think he'll do a better job,. 
On Tuesday, 2 May 2023 at 13:19:01 BST, John Lee via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 The final humiliation indeed! If they wanted a fat old bloke who hasn’t worked 
for 10 years I’d have been a better option ;-) 

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> On 2 May 2023, at 11:54, Alec McQueen  wrote:
> 
> He stands an infinitely higher chance of getting some kind of result over the 
> next 4 games than the current clown in charge. We needed to throw the dice, 
> and Sam is a big gamble, but he’s a good gamble. He moves pit chance of 
> survival from zero to 10%. 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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>> On 2 May 2023, at 20:48, Scott1cairns1  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh dear oh dear. 
>> The final humiliation 
>> 
>> Best regards,Scott. 
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Re: [LU] Fwd: Prolonging the agony

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 I'd actually forgotten about that. It really was the most comical 20 seconds 
of 'football' I've seen at a PL game. We just seemed incapable of kicking the 
ball in a straight line and Roca's attempt was laughable. 
On Wednesday, 26 April 2023 at 13:59:29 BST, Nicholas Armit 
 wrote:  
 
  That 20 seconds in the second half was Keystone Cops stuff!
On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 05:28:53 AM EDT, John Lee via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 Javi Gracia - it’s hard to believe his talks can be in any way inspirational - 
his press conferences are insipid, pointless exercises which give no confidence 
that he knows how to deal with this. I suspect the differing qualities of our 
players did come as a shock to him though. All that said, he has managed 3 wins 
and 2 draws from his 10 games ‘in charge’, so he’s here until the season end. 
There’s zero chance of him being kept on imho, regardless of staying up or 
going down. We made that mistake with Marsch!

I still can’t get over Roca’s passing last night - even in a team known for 
its’ inability to pass to a white shirt, he was spectacularly awful!

> On 26 Apr 2023, at 10:07, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Ha ha. I can't even listen to him. He is lacking in any energy and ideas. 
>    On Wednesday, 26 April 2023 at 09:55:47 BST, John Boocock 
> wrote:  
> 
> Rich,
> 
> He is out, what we see on the bench is CGI
> 
>> On 26/04/2023 09:52, Richard Walker via Leedslist wrote:
>> I missed my last line ...
>> Gracia OUT. I really believe we'd be better off without him than with, as 
>> strange as that may sound.
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Re: [LU] Fwd: Prolonging the agony

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 Ha ha. I can't even listen to him. He is lacking in any energy and ideas. 
On Wednesday, 26 April 2023 at 09:55:47 BST, John Boocock 
 wrote:  
 
 Rich,

He is out, what we see on the bench is CGI

On 26/04/2023 09:52, Richard Walker via Leedslist wrote:
> I missed my last line ...
> Gracia OUT. I really believe we'd be better off without him than with, as 
> strange as that may sound.
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Re: [LU] Fwd: Prolonging the agony

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 I missed my last line ...
Gracia OUT. I really believe we'd be better off without him than with, as 
strange as that may sound. 
On Wednesday, 26 April 2023 at 09:32:06 BST, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 Grim is definitely a good description of the situation. We are now relying on 
3 teams being worse than us but I honestly don’t there are.Leicester showed 
they can play a bit and were  far too good to us. Maddison is an annoying twat 
but he’s streets ahead of Roca and Vardy at 52 years old is simply a better 
striker than Bamford will ever be.Yes, first half we gave them a game, mainly 
through effort rather than intelligent play. McKennie and Rodrigo in particular 
upped their effort and really made a difference and we harried Leicester into 
making mistakes and scored a good goal.So going in ahead at half-time , the 
mood in the stands was fairly positive but that soon changed when you realised 
that we couldn’t keep that up and Leicester realised that with their midfield 
they could take us apart at will, and they did. It was wave after wave of blue 
shirts moving forward into our box and we couldn’t stop it. Gracia dithered 
with his subs - he was having a conference with his staff for 10 mins before he 
finally made a decision and that was eventually forced as Rodrigo was out on 
his feet and running the risk of getting sent off. Gracie’s answer wasn’t Willy 
or 35 million pound Rutter but Aaronson. I thought the bloke near me was going 
to have a fit - he was livid and so we’re a lot of fans. I was hoping Aaronson 
could have more of an impact as a sub against tired legs but like his whole 
season, he was unable to make an impact.Roca, who had been poor throughout, was 
out on his feet from 60 mins but Gracia kept him on as Maddison and co danced 
around him. At least Marsch used to replace Roca regularly in the 2nd half, I 
actually think Gracia doesn’t know his players (that’s not altogether 
surprising) but he also doesn’t look like he knows a system that will suit 
them. We go from pushing on to being ultra defensive and sitting back. It’s 
awful to watch. To be fair, the crowd stayed with the team and I only heard a 
few Orta out chants from the Kop after the final whistle but if truth be told 
Leicester should have walked this and it could have been another Palace if 
Meslier hadn’t made a couple of top class saves and Leicester hadn’t been 
unlucky with 2 off side goals.I think the writing is on the wall.
Meslier - 8 Kept is in the game
Ayling - 6. Barnes was subbed and scored so you could argue he did his job, but 
like all the defence he really struggled 2nd half
Firpo - 3 Offered nothing going forward and struggled in defence. Summerville 
did a better job at left back
Cooper - 6. Battled hard but couldn’t cope with the blue wave once out midfield 
had collapsed
Koch - 5. Ditto
Roca - 3. I’ve said all there is to say, he’s not good enough. He gave the ball 
away repeatedly and even his half decent looking passes rarely reach their 
intended target. Has to be dropped. I’d play Forshaw and any of the U-21s in 
his place. Total liability. 
McKennie- 6. Great first half, stepped it up but ran out of steam 2nd half.
Harrison- 7. Probably our best player on the night. Tried constantly to make 
things happen but his final ball at times is lacking.
Rodrigo- 8. All for effort. He was like a raging bull and the crowd appreciated 
that. Ran out of steam 2nd half but he’d fine his bit. 
Bamford -3. Poor. Missed the sitter at the end and nobody was surprised. He’s a 
confidence player and he’s got none. Compare to Vardy - he was always going to 
score, his body language is positive- Bamford is the total opposite.
Sinistera- 6. Great goal but then got injured which seems to be the story of 
his Leeds career.
Subs 
Summerville- 5. Played as an extra left back. Never seen him make so many 
tackles. Criminal.
Gnonto - just sat on the bench stroking his massive cock 


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On Tuesday, April 25, 2023, 11:39 pm, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk 
 wrote:


Hard to know what to say.

Our goal was pure class.

We almost scored at the end, but their keeper made a hell of a save.

Bamford’s miss.

But we needed to win that.

So we bring Aaronson on.

And leave Gnonto & Rutter on the bench.

It’s going to be a case of who is shitter, isn’t it?

Fucking grim

Nick


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Begin forwarded message:

> From: John Lee via Leedslist 
> Date: 25 April 2023 at 22:44:15 BST
> To: Leeds List 2010 
> Subject: [LU] Prolonging the agony
> Reply-To: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk
> 
> Not quite bad enough to lose, definitely not good enough to win, and so the 
> game of will we/won’t we goes on. A fair result in many ways, although how 
> Bamford didn’t score near the end I don’t know - he looked embarrassed 
> himself. That said, I also think he might have been offside?
> 
> Our passing was woeful at times. Roca was woeful much of the time

Re: [LU] Fwd: Prolonging the agony

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

Grim is definitely a good description of the situation. We are now relying on 3 
teams being worse than us but I honestly don’t there are.Leicester showed they 
can play a bit and were  far too good to us. Maddison is an annoying twat but 
he’s streets ahead of Roca and Vardy at 52 years old is simply a better striker 
than Bamford will ever be.Yes, first half we gave them a game, mainly through 
effort rather than intelligent play. McKennie and Rodrigo in particular upped 
their effort and really made a difference and we harried Leicester into making 
mistakes and scored a good goal.So going in ahead at half-time , the mood in 
the stands was fairly positive but that soon changed when you realised that we 
couldn’t keep that up and Leicester realised that with their midfield they 
could take us apart at will, and they did. It was wave after wave of blue 
shirts moving forward into our box and we couldn’t stop it. Gracia dithered 
with his subs - he was having a conference with his staff for 10 mins before he 
finally made a decision and that was eventually forced as Rodrigo was out on 
his feet and running the risk of getting sent off. Gracie’s answer wasn’t Willy 
or 35 million pound Rutter but Aaronson. I thought the bloke near me was going 
to have a fit - he was livid and so we’re a lot of fans. I was hoping Aaronson 
could have more of an impact as a sub against tired legs but like his whole 
season, he was unable to make an impact.Roca, who had been poor throughout, was 
out on his feet from 60 mins but Gracia kept him on as Maddison and co danced 
around him. At least Marsch used to replace Roca regularly in the 2nd half, I 
actually think Gracia doesn’t know his players (that’s not altogether 
surprising) but he also doesn’t look like he knows a system that will suit 
them. We go from pushing on to being ultra defensive and sitting back. It’s 
awful to watch. To be fair, the crowd stayed with the team and I only heard a 
few Orta out chants from the Kop after the final whistle but if truth be told 
Leicester should have walked this and it could have been another Palace if 
Meslier hadn’t made a couple of top class saves and Leicester hadn’t been 
unlucky with 2 off side goals.I think the writing is on the wall.
Meslier - 8 Kept is in the game
Ayling - 6. Barnes was subbed and scored so you could argue he did his job, but 
like all the defence he really struggled 2nd half
Firpo - 3 Offered nothing going forward and struggled in defence. Summerville 
did a better job at left back
Cooper - 6. Battled hard but couldn’t cope with the blue wave once out midfield 
had collapsed
Koch - 5. Ditto
Roca - 3. I’ve said all there is to say, he’s not good enough. He gave the ball 
away repeatedly and even his half decent looking passes rarely reach their 
intended target. Has to be dropped. I’d play Forshaw and any of the U-21s in 
his place. Total liability. 
McKennie- 6. Great first half, stepped it up but ran out of steam 2nd half.
Harrison- 7. Probably our best player on the night. Tried constantly to make 
things happen but his final ball at times is lacking.
Rodrigo- 8. All for effort. He was like a raging bull and the crowd appreciated 
that. Ran out of steam 2nd half but he’d fine his bit. 
Bamford -3. Poor. Missed the sitter at the end and nobody was surprised. He’s a 
confidence player and he’s got none. Compare to Vardy - he was always going to 
score, his body language is positive- Bamford is the total opposite.
Sinistera- 6. Great goal but then got injured which seems to be the story of 
his Leeds career.
Subs 
Summerville- 5. Played as an extra left back. Never seen him make so many 
tackles. Criminal.
Gnonto - just sat on the bench stroking his massive cock 


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 wrote:


Hard to know what to say.

Our goal was pure class.

We almost scored at the end, but their keeper made a hell of a save.

Bamford’s miss.

But we needed to win that.

So we bring Aaronson on.

And leave Gnonto & Rutter on the bench.

It’s going to be a case of who is shitter, isn’t it?

Fucking grim

Nick


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> From: John Lee via Leedslist 
> Date: 25 April 2023 at 22:44:15 BST
> To: Leeds List 2010 
> Subject: [LU] Prolonging the agony
> Reply-To: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk
> 
> Not quite bad enough to lose, definitely not good enough to win, and so the 
> game of will we/won’t we goes on. A fair result in many ways, although how 
> Bamford didn’t score near the end I don’t know - he looked embarrassed 
> himself. That said, I also think he might have been offside?
> 
> Our passing was woeful at times. Roca was woeful much of the time! The 
> performance overall seemed more committed, albeit with little end product.
> 
> Giving Madison MOTM, with his diving, simulation and constantly whining to 
> the ref is everything that’s wrong with football.
> 
> I don’t understand Sinisterra’s 

Re: [LU] Well

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 Yes, the cutting out mid-week drinking plan for me went astray last night. I 
just feel totally empty after that performance which was one of the worst. I 
think we've 2 maion problems:
1) The manager 2) The players 
First of all, have you ever seen a Leeds team set up so negatively at home for 
a match. I can't rememeber. We just let Liverpool have the run of the park and 
then tried to feed on scraps when their attacks broke down. It was quite 
effective for a while but it was only ever going to end one way. After half 
time, Gracia tried to get his players to step up the pitch and we looked better 
for 10 mins but then they just took control. Liverpool's away record is poor. 
Why did we show them so much respect ? Surely we should have gone after them 
from the start with Summerville, Gnonto and Sinisterra leading the line. 
Rodrigo isn't fit.I think he has to go today and yes that's seems impossible 
but how can we stay up with such a negative manager ? 
As for the players, it's desperate. Mckennie and Roca is like watching Okon and 
Aizlewood. Neither can run, neither have got the fight or the ability to get us 
out of this mess and control the midfield. Roca can pass a ball when he's got 
oceans of space and isn't under pressure (Forest) but put him under a bit of 
pressure and he crumbles. Mckennie is a fat lad who without his lacky Adams 
looks lost. 
Meslier looks like a keeper who has given up - I would be tempted to put the 
reserve keeper in. 
I've never been convinced about Struijk and I think we all know now he's not a 
PL centre back. His best performance have come at left back but even there he 
looks uncomfortable. 
It's come to the point when actually I think Cooper and Ayling have to play. At 
very least, you know they are going to die for the cause. Last night, we saw 
Rutter come on and tippy toe around the park to the final whistel where he 
rushed to Firmino to get his shirt and congratulate him. £35 million ! Beggars 
belief 
Aaronson is a trier but the fact is he isn't good enough. Far too lightweight. 
I could go on, but I think we're doomed. Not sure where we go from here. 
12:30 Saturday I suppose. 

    
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 wrote:  
 
  Utter shambles.
    On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 07:03:21 PM EDT, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk 
 wrote:  
 
 I’m just sitting here drinking, because that was as fucking woeful and 
clueless as anything I have ever seen in a Leeds shirt.

Dreadful. 

Only possibly Koch, Firpo and Harrison deserve to even be considered for the 
next game.

Nick



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[LU] Palace

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

Lots of rumours this morning of a half-time bust up between Ayling and Roca and 
the fact that it could have contributed to the shocking 2nd half performance. 
I'd be more tempted to blame it on the fact that there's a lot of players out 
there that aren't quite up to the levels required. Forget Forest, as an away 
team they are championship at best, but Palace are different. They have pace in 
midfield and a bit of know how when it comes to pass and move football. You 
can't line up against them with Roca and Mckennie and expect to get away with 
it. Unfortunately that's where we are now with Adams out for the season and all 
we have is unproven U-23 players and Forshaw who actually made it onto the 
bench. It's depressing.We started lively and moved the ball around Bielsa style 
at times and we had a few chances. The warning signs were there though as 
Palace could have easily had 3 themselves as they hit the post and missed two 
unmarked sitters - all from set pieces. Bamford's goal was a great header and 
everyone was talking about going 5 points clear of the relegation zone after 
back to back home wins. A tad premature that was. Palace scraped an equaliser 
in the last 10 seconds of the half , from a set piece (common theme) and that 
was that. 
Second half , we just didn't compete and it's probably the worst half of 
football at ER for many a year. We ran out of steam and ideas and they went up 
a level and we just couldn't live with them. The ground emptied long before the 
end as I think many realised that this set of players cannot keep us up. Bank 
holiday totally ruined.
Scores:
Meslier - 4. Is it me, or does he not look that arsed.
Ayling - 4. Started lively and got forward well but like a lot of others he ran 
out of steam fast
Firpo - 5. Got his customary booking through brainless, clueless defending. 
Koch - 4. Lost his man in the first half a few times and doesn't look great 
next to Struijk 
Struijk - 3. Not good enough IMO 
Mckennie - 3. Disappointing 
Roca - 4. Started well but ultimately showed what we know in that he's never 
going to make it at this level. 
Harrison - 3. 
Bamford - 5. 
Sinisterra - 4 
Aaronson - 4 

Ran out of steam on this report , just like the team ... fuck it 
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Re: [LU] Fwd: Forest

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

Agree Nick, it is strange. He was inspirational against Scum and there was 
general agreement that he was back and deserved the captain’s armband but in 
recent weeks it’s all gone wrong. He looks slow and looks like he’s really 
struggling to get a grip on games. Having said that he put some real desperate 
challenges in last night which did win us the ball back. Maybe he’s got a knock 
? 


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On Wednesday, April 5, 2023, 5:34 pm, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist 
 wrote:

He was excellent against Scum in both games though. Strange.
Nick


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On Wednesday, April 5, 2023, 12:05 PM, Neil Hackett  
wrote:

Agree that Ayling is a big worry. I love him but he is being targeted.

For about a month teams have been sending a diagonal ball over him knowing the 
winger will beat him to it.

It also appeared on TV that Forest were happy for him to receive the ball as we 
passed out from the back; once he received a pass they closed quickly and he 
was turning it over a lot.

Both wingers were very good, not sure Gnonto has a way back into the starting 
line up yet.



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Sent: April 5, 2023 5:28 AM
To: Leeds List 2010 
Subject: [LU] Fwd: Forest

Agree with both of these…

I think we’ve seen 2 of the 3 that will go down at ER recently - Southampton 
and Forest - hard to pick who was worse.

Most impressed yesterday with McKennie - he was throwing those challenges in 
and using the ball well. Harrison and Sinisterra (and Gnonto, and Sommerville) 
using the width of the park, just demonstrate what a nonsense Marsch’s narrow 
formation was.

Ayling had a shocking first half against a poor strike force - its a worry.

Bamford is doing that infuriating thing he - fluffs chances, both for himself 
and also when he has the ball and teammates in good positions - but, the way he 
works the central defenders and pulls them all over the shop is second to none. 
I did think that Rodrigo should have come on for him after 65 or so, to rest up 
Bamford and let our leading scorer have a go at such a weak defence.

Looking forward to seeing Wober back soon, too.

3 points at the w/e and the world looks very different.

Nick

> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: nattan--- via Leedslist 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Forest
> Date: 5 April 2023 at 10:13:34 BST
> To: leeds list 
> Reply-To: "nat...@sky.com" 
>
> When the first message on my WhatsApp this morning is from my son saying " 
> spring in my step and a song in my heart" you know all is right with the 
> world for a bit because Leeds have won
> It was a comfortable  victory really against a team who offered very little.  
> If we are looking for 3 teams worse than us, forest have to be one.
> Pre match stats had us worried- they had only scored 4 all season  we had won 
> every game when we started in the bottom 3 - cue them winning and scoring 5 
> goals inc a worldie from someone who has not scored for 3 years
> Thankfully that did not happen ( although their goal was his first in the 
> Prem)
> I agree with what Rich has written below.
> We struggled a bit to start with - they hit the post from a corner then 
> carved us open,  what was Ayling and then Sinisterra doing? However we dug in 
> , the crowd stayed behind the team ( as Rich says it included a good tribute 
> ) and there was an air of confidence around ER .
> Our goals were good,  lovely move ended with Mckennie shovelling a pass to 
> Roca, his shot was parried to the lively Harrison who lashed home.  Then just 
> before half time Sinisterra danced his way through tying a defender in knots 
> before curling in a beauty.
> Second half we continued to dominate and were first to everything.  Roca 
> having a stormer,  like many I have wondered about him  but last night he was 
> excellent , as was the much maligned Firpo who linked up well with Sinisterra 
> but also made one brilliant goal saving tackle. Sinisterra showed what we 
> have been missing, coming very close with another curling effort,  and 
> everyone else played their part. Struik looked commanding at the back, 
> Harrison was  at his best and Bamford worked his socks off.
> A great victory and with  Bournemouth and Leicester losing a quick glance at 
> the table puts a smile on  your face - 13th. A closer look is not so great,  
> just 2 points above the relegation line, but last night was job done for the 
> first bit , now we need to build on it by beating Palace on Sunday.
> Under Marsch we looked like a team going down, under Javi we look like a team 
> with a fighting chance of staying up. It is our hands .
> Dave
>    On Wednesday, 5 April 2023 at 09:41:41 BST, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
> wrote:
>
> "The scabs are going down" sang the South Stand and yes they mo

[LU] Forest

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

"The scabs are going down" sang the South Stand and yes they most definitely 
are. This game reminded me of playing against a lower championship league team, 
in that we had so much space all over the park and created chance after chance 
after chance. Sini and Jack looked resembled Messi as they danced their way 
past the Forest players and in midfield, Roca and Mckennie had the freedom of 
the park. It still didn't stop us going behind and then nearly conceding a 2nd 
in the opening 15 minutes. "How shit must you be, we're winning away" sang the 
scabs. Ayling looks vulnerable against a pacey Forest winger and ti was no 
surprise that from one of their breaks down the left the ball was passed to an 
unmarked player who slotted home with ease. Stunned silence and I thought it 
could be a long night. 
But to our credit, and Forest's inpetness we came back strong and started to 
build attack after attack wtih Sini and Jack at the heart of everything. There 
were too many chances to describe but it seemed like a constant wave of attacks 
on the Forest goal without anyone having the ability to stick it in the net. 
The goal eventually came from Roca's unmarked shot on the edge of the box being 
parried into the path of Jack who hammered it into the net. Then, towards the 
end of the half, Sini danced around a couple of Forest defenders and side 
footed it into the far corner. Typical goal from him. From then on, we really 
should have buried them be we fluffed chance after chance with the final ball 
lacking at times. Inevitably this led to us hanging on injury time but to be 
honest Forest looked toothless by then despite some good searching long balls 
from Shelvey. Jimmy came on as sub and had a great one on one chance to finish 
it but he put it wide. That summed up most of the match for me. 
A good win, against poor opposition and a follow upagainst Palace at the 
weekend will put us in a strong position. 
Scores: 
I think most of these scores should have the statement - against shit 
opposition added on to them. 
Meslier - 6. Not sure he had much to do other than pick the ball out of the 
net. 
Ayling - 6. Struggled initially but he worked very hard and put some great 
challenges in. 
Firpo - 8. Much improved and actually did some useful defending but as with all 
the performances last night I think you have to bear in mind the weak 
opposition. He got forward well in the first half. 
Struijk - 8. Very solid against  
Koch - 8.  Very solid against  
Mckennie - 7. Still a bit subdued and I worry about his mobility but he did 
what was needed. 
Roca - 9. Man of the match for me and the first time I've seen him actually 
show that he can influence a game. He worked tirelessly and put some great 
tackles in combined with some fantastic long range passes. I've never doubted 
that he has a nice left foot but he's lacked presence mainly due to lack of 
pace/ acceleration. Last night, he had the freedom of the park and was actually 
able to show us what he can do given space. My big question is can he do it 
against better opposition ? I hope so. Mcphail would have had a ball out there 
last night as well ! 
Harrison - 8. Lively throughout. Still manages to pick out the opposition with 
last ball passes with ease. 
Sinisterra - 8. Fantastic first half against   Great goal. 
Aaronson - 6. Worked hard but still looked very lightweight. 
Bamford - 5. Looked exactly what he is - a player who hasn't played much 
football for 2 years. Worked tirelessly but his timing was off and he never 
looked like scoring despite having a number of chances
Subs:
Rodrigo - 5. Looked very slow 
Jimmy - 6. got booked and should have scored but he put himself about 

Great rememberance from the fans last night crowd by turning our backs for a 
minute. RIP Chris and Kev. I didn't travel to Istanbul but I was sat with 
people last night who were there in the square and they are still equally mad 
and sad about the events that night. There was no damaging of Turkish flags, no 
abusing locals, just a large mob of murdering Turks that attacked the Leeds 
fans with knives.  We will never forget. 















I thought we played well against a very poor Forest team. I’ve never seen us 
have so much space in midfield and God knows how many chances we fluffed. 
Should have had them buried long before the 5 minutes of ET where. Inevitably 
we were holding on. Sinistera and Harrison both looked like Messi as they were 
able to dance around Forest players and even Aizlewood had a good game. Lots of 
people saying ‘I told you Roca was great’ Well I never doubted he had a ‘nice 
left foot’ but my issue is does he have te pace and the presence to really 
dominate in midfield and play those killer passes when under pressure. Last 
night he had the freedom of the park. Mchpail would have loved it too. 
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Re: [LU] Rocky!

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

Definitely his best performance but even I would have looked good out there 
tonight. Forest were poor and I’ve never seen so much space in midfield. They 
are going down.
Full report if I get time today.
RIP Chris and Kev - great tribute last night at the game 


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What a performance by Rocky Roca last night!!
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Re: [LU] Arse tomorrow...

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 Not a prayer !  Arguable our best 3 players out. Wober, Adams and Gnonto 
but I hope I'm wrong
On Friday, 31 March 2023 at 12:08:35 BST, James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! via 
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 Listers,
We have gone there before with no hope and done magical things.
Is it any different this time around?
James.
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Re: [LU] Brighton or an interesting day at the office for Jack Harrison

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

Do you think ? I thought in that first half we looked like a really poor team 
who looked doomed. We had no idea and it took a fortunate deflection from a 
speculative shot to get us going. I’d put that first half down as the as poor 
as we’ve seen for a few seasons.Credit to us 2nd half for coming back into it 
but I don’t think some of our players are good enough. The worst of the bad 
bunch are Firpo and Roca, who are both woefully short. I also am concerned 
about Rutter. He’s just not at the races.


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On Sunday, March 12, 2023, 5:15 pm, Nicholas Armit  wrote:

 I might be talking myself into this but I think there is enough in these 
players that can just get us out of trouble. They are good players we just need 
a spark from somewhere and it could all click.
Yes I know.
Nick
On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 11:09:00 AM EDT, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
  Ayling's worst game for Leeds. He didn't look right to me. 
    On Sunday, 12 March 2023 at 12:09:16 GMT, Nick  
wrote:  
 
 Brighton are a decent well-organised side. They’re not pushing for a European 
place just through luck…

What was obvious was that Garcia set us up as 4-4-2 and has told them to stay 
in position - no wild chasing down, no pressing. This works for solidity but 
removes that 100mph rollercoaster effect - it also allows their defenders to 
stand over the ball time after time, happy that they are not going to get 
challenged. This is something that many in the crowd seemed to be made restless 
by.

Big problem yesterday - apart from Roca & Aaronson’s almost non-existence in 
the middle - was Ayling. It wasn’t that the guy on him was fast and tricky - he 
was - but that he got done 6 times in then first half alone just by a lofted 
ball over the top. He was nowhere near the winger. If you get caught once or 
twice early like that, you drop 5 yards, you move closer to the guy. But it 
kept happening. Then he got out-jumped by the winger at the back post, for the 
first goal. V poor game.

However, Harrison decided he was going to chase and harry, and in doing so, 
closed the defender down, got a bit of luck with the bounce, which just rolled 
along the touchline without going out, fed Bamford, who took a touch and 
smacked in off the crossbar - albeit with a slight deflection. Out of nowhere 
we were level.

Then Jack gets unlucky in the second half with a ball ricocheting around the 
penalty area, eventually bouncing off him and in - he looked like he was 
shaping to clear it, but the winger pressing him, was close enough that 
Harrison could not draw his foot back…and there you go. 1-2.

The second equaliser - coming after Gnonto, Rodrigo and McKennie were 
introduced - came after a reasonable spell of pressure from us, all these three 
pushed us forwards. Short corner from Willie 2-balls, Harrison steps inside the 
defender and lashes it into the far top corner with his right foot. Lovely goal.

Couple more half chances each - best fell to Wellbeck who cut in again from our 
right, beat about 3 defenders before hitting the south stand.

I do not buy the doom and gloom - there are 12 games to go, 4 points cover 
about 8 teams (not counting Soton, but that may change after today) - plenty of 
time to get things right. The same people who say “we’re down” are the ones who 
would db going “C’mon Leeds we can do this” if there were a 4 point gap with 2 
games to go.

Oh yeah, and Rodrigo was fouled in the box as he went through.

Nick




> On 12 Mar 2023, at 11:14, Steve Gillen  wrote:
> 
> I pretty much agree with all this except to add that yesterday's performance 
> was about as poor as I've ever seen of Leeds. I mean insofar as we have 
> players of talent who are excellent and may be enough to save us but those 
> players are just that. They are not playing much as a team, I'm pointing to 
> Utter and to some degree Harrison, they try to do it alone it felt. The 
> exception being Gnonto, he did play for others and was the spark we were 
> looking for often. I very much got the feeling that our coach has laid the 
> law down that we don't all fly forward and leave ourselves open at the back 
> (Ayling take note) which meant that we were not as exciting to watch as we 
> have been, but not the walkover we used to be - well not as much as we used 
> to be, we still had our moments of squeaky bum - sadly though that meant that 
> we struggled to force ourselves upon Brighton. I honestly could see no way we 
> might score until up popped Bamford, but even then he didn't receive service 
> so much as he had to make it himself.
> 
> I struggle to see how we can make it this year as everyone around us is doing 
> something and we aren' - sigh. I am so disappointed.
> 
> Steve G
> 
>> On 12 Mar 2023, at 10:09, nattan--- via Leedslist  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Well,  similar to last season we salvage

Re: [LU] Brighton or an interesting day at the office for Jack Harrison

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 Ayling's worst game for Leeds. He didn't look right to me. 
On Sunday, 12 March 2023 at 12:09:16 GMT, Nick  
wrote:  
 
 Brighton are a decent well-organised side. They’re not pushing for a European 
place just through luck…

What was obvious was that Garcia set us up as 4-4-2 and has told them to stay 
in position - no wild chasing down, no pressing. This works for solidity but 
removes that 100mph rollercoaster effect - it also allows their defenders to 
stand over the ball time after time, happy that they are not going to get 
challenged. This is something that many in the crowd seemed to be made restless 
by.

Big problem yesterday - apart from Roca & Aaronson’s almost non-existence in 
the middle - was Ayling. It wasn’t that the guy on him was fast and tricky - he 
was - but that he got done 6 times in then first half alone just by a lofted 
ball over the top. He was nowhere near the winger. If you get caught once or 
twice early like that, you drop 5 yards, you move closer to the guy. But it 
kept happening. Then he got out-jumped by the winger at the back post, for the 
first goal. V poor game.

However, Harrison decided he was going to chase and harry, and in doing so, 
closed the defender down, got a bit of luck with the bounce, which just rolled 
along the touchline without going out, fed Bamford, who took a touch and 
smacked in off the crossbar - albeit with a slight deflection. Out of nowhere 
we were level.

Then Jack gets unlucky in the second half with a ball ricocheting around the 
penalty area, eventually bouncing off him and in - he looked like he was 
shaping to clear it, but the winger pressing him, was close enough that 
Harrison could not draw his foot back…and there you go. 1-2.

The second equaliser - coming after Gnonto, Rodrigo and McKennie were 
introduced - came after a reasonable spell of pressure from us, all these three 
pushed us forwards. Short corner from Willie 2-balls, Harrison steps inside the 
defender and lashes it into the far top corner with his right foot. Lovely goal.

Couple more half chances each - best fell to Wellbeck who cut in again from our 
right, beat about 3 defenders before hitting the south stand.

I do not buy the doom and gloom - there are 12 games to go, 4 points cover 
about 8 teams (not counting Soton, but that may change after today) - plenty of 
time to get things right. The same people who say “we’re down” are the ones who 
would db going “C’mon Leeds we can do this” if there were a 4 point gap with 2 
games to go.

Oh yeah, and Rodrigo was fouled in the box as he went through.

Nick




> On 12 Mar 2023, at 11:14, Steve Gillen  wrote:
> 
> I pretty much agree with all this except to add that yesterday's performance 
> was about as poor as I've ever seen of Leeds. I mean insofar as we have 
> players of talent who are excellent and may be enough to save us but those 
> players are just that. They are not playing much as a team, I'm pointing to 
> Utter and to some degree Harrison, they try to do it alone it felt. The 
> exception being Gnonto, he did play for others and was the spark we were 
> looking for often. I very much got the feeling that our coach has laid the 
> law down that we don't all fly forward and leave ourselves open at the back 
> (Ayling take note) which meant that we were not as exciting to watch as we 
> have been, but not the walkover we used to be - well not as much as we used 
> to be, we still had our moments of squeaky bum - sadly though that meant that 
> we struggled to force ourselves upon Brighton. I honestly could see no way we 
> might score until up popped Bamford, but even then he didn't receive service 
> so much as he had to make it himself.
> 
> I struggle to see how we can make it this year as everyone around us is doing 
> something and we aren' - sigh. I am so disappointed.
> 
> Steve G
> 
>> On 12 Mar 2023, at 10:09, nattan--- via Leedslist  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Well,  similar to last season we salvaged a point at home v Brighton, and 
>> similar to last season we left wondering if it is enough. Wins for 
>> Bournemouth and Everton suggest not,  but to be honest Brighton are a much 
>> better team this season, as shown both by their league position and the fact 
>> that their fans were going " ole" after 15mins of dominance even though it 
>> was still 0 0 
>> Pre game the mood in the pub was down beat, no one could see where our goals 
>> were going to come from and you can't win if you can't score.
>> It was good therefore to see Bamford  back up top and Rodrigo on the bench , 
>> getting back to full fitness
>> Despite that we were very much second best for long periods of this game as 
>> a super confident Brighton side all knowing their roles gave us a chasing.  
>> It was no surprise when they took the lead , the winger tied Roca in knots 
>> then crossed over Luke aylings head to the other wide player who nodded it 
>> back to the striker, unmarked, to head home. 
>> We feared the worse,  but 

Re: [LU] Concentrate on the league now!

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 Mckennie had a great first half and I thought this is our new no 10. Then he 
came out 2nd half and gave just about every ball he played away. It was a 
shocking 45 mins. Needs to do much better. 
He wasn't the only one though, it does appear we have a problem doing the 
basics right through the team. Adams, Roca, Summerville ... the list goes on. 
Basic passes going astray so it's no wonder that our play breaks down so easily 
in the final third. It's so frustrating to watch. 
On Wednesday, 1 March 2023 at 08:00:26 GMT, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk 
 wrote:  
 
 Yes, am puzzled by McKennie too… does lots of good stuff, well, right up until 
the last ball in an attacking position when it inevitably all goes to shit.

Also, Rasmussen last night proved that Ayling should be the right back for the 
rest of the season.

Rutter was unlucky - 1 soft disallowal, and 1 off the post.

Other than a much more on it midfield, there wasn’t much that could be done 
about either goal.

Ah, well. All will be forgotten when we do the double over Chelsea.

Nick

Sent from my iPad

> On 28 Feb 2023, at 22:05, Simon McNally via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes, some positive signs but some of the same old issues.
> Adams, for all the good work he does, is very limited when passing the ball 
> and that mistake that led to their first was dreadful.
> Same with McKennie. Good energy, got into decent areas but gives the ball 
> away too much it makes the wrong decision.
> I honestly forgot that Roca was playing until he gave the ball away. I don’t 
> care what the hipsters on social media say about “progressive passing” , he’s 
> shite.
> Not convinced by Jimmy for their second, or Kristienson or Meslier for that 
> matter.
> I thought Koch played well, Rutter looks like he’s getting sharper and 
> overall out shape looks better.
> If we could finish our chances we’d have been bang in that game though!
> 
> Sent from Outlook for iOS
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Lee via 
> Leedslist 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 9:57:17 PM
> To: Leeds List 2010 
> Subject: [LU] Concentrate on the league now!
> 
> For 65 minutes some promising signs, albeit the same old problems/bad luck as 
> far as sticking it in the net! Fulham changed tactics, played a high press, 
> and we fizzled out.
> 
> For all the moaning about Bamford, Summerville is becoming my scapegoat at 
> times - he gets into good positions, but he misses loads. His feeble attempt 
> to block the shot for their 2nd was poor too.
> 
> Hey ho
> 
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[LU] Soton

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

Hungover musings .
Great result and v.important win but my overall impression wasn't great. Yes we 
were the better of two poor teams but I thought a lot of our play was 
pedestrian and predictable and for me the 4-4-2 was the reason. We hardly 
created a chance in the first half and when we did get into good positions we 
fluffed it. Also, we just kept giving the ball away cheaply. 
Second half I thought Summerville changed things with his pace and energy. Yes 
his final ball isn't quite there and he missed a sitter or should have passed 
to Harrison but he makes things happen. Only have to look at his contribution 
on the goal. I also thought Rutter did well. 
I am concerned about our dynamic duo in midfield. Mckennie needs to be fitter. 
He's got good touch on the ball but he's carrying a bit of weight around the 
pitch. Roca most definitely isn't the answer and you only have to look at his 
contribution when he came on. Whilst the other 2 subs made an impact, Roca 
fluffed a shot and then looked painfully off the pace. I don't even think the 
lad is a premier league player. 
After a few great games, Ayling was awful and I;m sure he must have been on the 
piss Friday night cos he was giving the ball away for fun and he doesn't do 
that very often. 
Firpo is showing us that he does have a role but I still worry when he has to 
defend. 
The new manager seems like a nice bloke but nice blokes don't usually win much. 
Need to see a performance against Chelsea. 
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Re: [LU] If i were t'gaffer

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 I don't think we can accomodate a left back that can't defend. He will cause 
us problems. Firpo nearly always get booked in games as he hasn't the pace or 
know how to defend on his back foot. 
On Thursday, 16 February 2023 at 10:49:56 GMT, nattan--- via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
  My mates and I were discussing whether 3 at the back with 2 wing backs would 
be our best option  - wober , koch and cooper or Struijk.  Firpo has looked 
decent going forward but suspect defensively,  so wing back should suit him. 
The new US  pairing in centre mid looks dynamic and destructive  , albeit 
lacking in guile/ killer passes so should be solid and win plenty of ball . Add 
any 2 from 4 wingers - Gnonto,  Harrison,  Summerville and Sinisterra to run at 
defenders and create havoc and then Bamford at 9 with Rutter as back up.Would 
make us more solid at the back and 3 CHs would help at set pieces,  and we have 
enough power to win midfield battles  and lots of exciting options in the final 
third. 
Roca and Greenwood can be added to midfield as required 
Big 2 games coming up and we need to get it right 
Dave 
    On Wednesday, 15 February 2023 at 16:50:17 GMT, Robert Heath 
 wrote:  
 
 If I were in charge at Leeds (which, let's face it, is not as outlandish a
prospect as it was 10 days ago, given how far down his list Victor Orta is
going), I would play a flexible 5-2-3:

Ayling & Firpo as wingbacks; Kock, Cooper & Wober CBs; Adams & McK in
midfield; and a front 3 of Wilf, Bamford and somebody with a long name
beginning with S (either one will do.)
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Re: [LU] Scum

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

Ciaran, you are spot on and I think in my defence the euphoria of the point and 
2 goals got the better of me. I do remember one occasion when Wober tried to 
dribble out of defence and I think that led to one of their best chances. 
Despite that, I do think his introduction to the back four is a step change … a 
bit like when Pontus came along and I don’t mind all the fist waving and chest 
pumping- long may it continue.
I’m still giving him a 9 though !




On Friday, February 10, 2023, 12:27 pm, Ciaran Diver  
wrote:

Rich, normally I agree with your reports and who you identify as playing
well or poorly but just on Wober, you gave him 10 for Wednesday and say it
was possibly the best defensive display since Radebe et al? He certainly
put his body on the line and got some great blocks in but what about the
number of times he gave the ball away putting us under pressure? I thought
his distribution was very poor at times and whilst they didn't lead to a
goal, there were a number of times where his poor pass could have resulted
in a goal. He looked good with his fist pumping but I'm not convinced when
he is on the ball personally. Hopefully he will settle down with more game
time.

Ciaran

Message: 1
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2023 14:57:47 + (UTC)
From: Richard Walker 
To: Leeds List 
Subject: [LU] Scum
Message-ID: <1318186895.3957134.1675954667...@mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

 I think I aged a few (more) years after watching the game last night. When
we went 2 up I was counting down the seconds til the end. My Apple watch
heart monitor was interesting.
I thought it was a great, battling display and our midfield and defence for
most of the game stood up to continuos pressure. Wober was superb, possibly
the best defensive display I've seen in a white shirt since the days of
Radebe, Woodgate and co. Koch was equally impressive at times but just
didn't do enough to put Rashford off for the goal, he needed to do that.
Luke Ayling was immense. He's my captain for the rest of the season, no
argument. People saying he's finished and not premier league, well last
night he had a very, youthful and skillful prospect in Garnacho in his
pocket. Ayling was almost out on his feet at the end but I don't blame him
given the effort he put in. Only thing that was missing was the 30 yarder
in the top corner which he did try and repeat.
The midfield was also a massive improvement. Adams and Mckennie weren't
pretty but both did a job and you didn't see Scum easily progressing
through our midfield as they and other teams have done in the past. People
saying Mckennie looked off the pace, but I didn't see that. Ok, not
everything came off but he was effective and contributed more in 94 mins
than Roca has all season. For a fat lad, he covered a lot of ground. Just
wait until we get him onteh Slimfast. No way back for the lacklustre Roca
IMO now.
Up front, what a brilliant start from Gnonto, I was up out of my chair
dancing around the room. I wasn't upset to see Sinistera go off and be
replaced by Jimmy. He was lively and as runnign everywhere. I don't think
he's back to full fitness but he isn't fazed by anything. One of the first
names on the team sheet for me in the run in.
Bamford was off the pace again and I think he's struggling and he can't
blame the system this time.
Harrison had a real lively first half, he was everywhere. I just wish he'd
stop giving the ball away cheaply which he has a tendancy to do. It's s
frustrating because he will play a great pass 10 mins later.
Overall, my scores would be:
Meslier - 7. Unlucky with the 2nd goal as he was partially unsighted.
Ayling - 9. Captain's performance
Strujk - went off injured early
Wober - 10 Unbelievable performance
Koch - 8 Solid apart from 2nd goal
Mckennie - 7 Battler
Adams - 8 Everywhere
Harrison - 7. Livewire first half
Sinsiterra - off injured early
Bamford - 5. Not really at the races, although good link up for Gnonto's
goal.
Gnonto - 9. Brilliant first half , faded a bit 2nd but still giving it
100%. What a player.
Subs:
Jimmy - 7. Good running especially for our 2nd
Firpo - 5. He can't defend and that left us exposed all the way through the
2nd half. For a big lad with long legs he's also pedestrian. Embarrassing
but funny rugby tackle to save his skin.
Rutter - 5. Came on at a difficult time but didn't look the part if I'm
honest. Early days.
Greenwood / Perkins - not sure why they came on ?

Two goals at Old Trafford ??? Have we done that before (after 70's) ??
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Re: [LU] Marsch

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

Maybe they all thought he was a cunt ?


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Thursday, February 9, 2023, 3:11 pm, Greg Adams  wrote:

I just heard a someone on the Guardian podcast (Lucy Ward?) say that 
none of the players have sent Marsch any farewell messages. I'm not on 
twitter or the other messaging apps, so I can't verify this.  Has anyone 
seen or heard of anything?

If it is true, it would be very strange, as most players say thanks or 
something similarly anodyne.  Not sure what to make of it.

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Re: [LU] Scum

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 Forgot Aaronson - 7 I thought that was his best 20 minutes for a long time. 
Also, we did get beat 3-2 at OT November 1998 , when Jimmy FH scored early on. 
I remember that. 
On Thursday, 9 February 2023 at 14:58:09 GMT, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
  I think I aged a few (more) years after watching the game last night. When we 
went 2 up I was counting down the seconds til the end. My Apple watch heart 
monitor was interesting. 
I thought it was a great, battling display and our midfield and defence for 
most of the game stood up to continuos pressure. Wober was superb, possibly the 
best defensive display I've seen in a white shirt since the days of Radebe, 
Woodgate and co. Koch was equally impressive at times but just didn't do enough 
to put Rashford off for the goal, he needed to do that. 
Luke Ayling was immense. He's my captain for the rest of the season, no 
argument. People saying he's finished and not premier league, well last night 
he had a very, youthful and skillful prospect in Garnacho in his pocket. Ayling 
was almost out on his feet at the end but I don't blame him given the effort he 
put in. Only thing that was missing was the 30 yarder in the top corner which 
he did try and repeat. 







  
  
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[LU] Scum

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 I think I aged a few (more) years after watching the game last night. When we 
went 2 up I was counting down the seconds til the end. My Apple watch heart 
monitor was interesting. 
I thought it was a great, battling display and our midfield and defence for 
most of the game stood up to continuos pressure. Wober was superb, possibly the 
best defensive display I've seen in a white shirt since the days of Radebe, 
Woodgate and co. Koch was equally impressive at times but just didn't do enough 
to put Rashford off for the goal, he needed to do that. 
Luke Ayling was immense. He's my captain for the rest of the season, no 
argument. People saying he's finished and not premier league, well last night 
he had a very, youthful and skillful prospect in Garnacho in his pocket. Ayling 
was almost out on his feet at the end but I don't blame him given the effort he 
put in. Only thing that was missing was the 30 yarder in the top corner which 
he did try and repeat. 
The midfield was also a massive improvement. Adams and Mckennie weren't pretty 
but both did a job and you didn't see Scum easily progressing through our 
midfield as they and other teams have done in the past. People saying Mckennie 
looked off the pace, but I didn't see that. Ok, not everything came off but he 
was effective and contributed more in 94 mins than Roca has all season. For a 
fat lad, he covered a lot of ground. Just wait until we get him onteh Slimfast. 
No way back for the lacklustre Roca IMO now. 
Up front, what a brilliant start from Gnonto, I was up out of my chair dancing 
around the room. I wasn't upset to see Sinistera go off and be replaced by 
Jimmy. He was lively and as runnign everywhere. I don't think he's back to full 
fitness but he isn't fazed by anything. One of the first names on the team 
sheet for me in the run in. 
Bamford was off the pace again and I think he's struggling and he can't blame 
the system this time. 
Harrison had a real lively first half, he was everywhere. I just wish he'd stop 
giving the ball away cheaply which he has a tendancy to do. It's s 
frustrating because he will play a great pass 10 mins later. 
Overall, my scores would be:
Meslier - 7. Unlucky with the 2nd goal as he was partially unsighted. 
Ayling - 9. Captain's performance 
Strujk - went off injured early 
Wober - 10 Unbelievable performance 
Koch - 8 Solid apart from 2nd goal 
Mckennie - 7 Battler 
Adams - 8 Everywhere
Harrison - 7. Livewire first half 
Sinsiterra - off injured early
Bamford - 5. Not really at the races, although good link up for Gnonto's goal. 
Gnonto - 9. Brilliant first half , faded a bit 2nd but still giving it 100%. 
What a player. 
Subs: 
Jimmy - 7. Good running especially for our 2nd 
Firpo - 5. He can't defend and that left us exposed all the way through the 2nd 
half. For a big lad with long legs he's also pedestrian. Embarrassing but funny 
rugby tackle to save his skin. 
Rutter - 5. Came on at a difficult time but didn't look the part if I'm honest. 
Early days. 
Greenwood / Perkins - not sure why they came on ? 

Two goals at Old Trafford ??? Have we done that before (after 70's) ??





   
  
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Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very true

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 Bamford's comments did make sense but it didn't help that everytime the ball 
came near him he miscontrolled. Needs to be a lot better / sharper. 
On Tuesday, 7 February 2023 at 22:09:08 GMT, Simon McNally via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 He’s a smart bloke and knew exactly what he was doing.
Plus he was right!
It made me think that maybe they were going to sack Marsch - once you’ve lost 
the senior players there’s no way back.

Sent from Outlook for iOS

From: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 10:06:36 PM
To: Simon McNally 
Cc: Nicholas Armit ; leeds list 
Subject: Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very 
true

It was in Bamford’s post match interview - it wasn’t particularly 
controversial, but is being hyped up by various ‘commentators’ - it was only a 
couple of lines, although the implication was clear!

Sent from my iPad

On 7 Feb 2023, at 21:25, Simon McNally 
mailto:simon_mcna...@sky.com>> wrote:

On the bbc sport website I think. I saw it on Twitter.

Sent from Outlook for iOS

From: Nicholas Armit mailto:arm...@yahoo.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 9:22:53 PM
To: Simon McNally mailto:simon_mcna...@sky.com>>; 
bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
mailto:bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk>>
Cc: leeds list mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
Subject: Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very 
true

Any links to these Bamford comments? I can't find them.

Nick

On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 08:51:21 AM EST, John Lee via Leedslist 
mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> wrote:


I simply don’t understand why Marsch couldn’t see the all-too-obvious failings 
in his tactical approach - he’s either incredibly arrogant, and couldn’t 
possibly be wrong, or just plain dumb? The failings were there for all to see 
at the end of last season, so it’s not a new thing. I have to concede I feel 
very happy he’s gone.

One reporter at the press conference asked about Bamfords comment (isolated, no 
runs from midfield, 2 defenders on him), he was just being honest and open. It 
would be interesting to know what player pressure fed into the board decision?

Just seen report on BBC Look North that while the club would like to have 
someone in place by Sunday, contractual discussions may mean that isn’t 
possible.



> On 7 Feb 2023, at 12:13, Simon McNally via Leedslist 
> mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> wrote:
>
> As you say, shocking that he ever got near the job at Leeds given this record.
> It’s everything we’ve seen at Leeds. Not able to break teams down, everything 
> rushed and narrow.
> They need to get it right this time.
>
> Sent from Outlook for iOS
> 
> From: Leedslist 
> mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> on behalf 
> of nattan--- via Leedslist mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 12:08:56 PM
> To: leeds list mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
> Subject: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very true
>
> Remember that Boro piece on Orta? Well, someone's just shared a piece on 
> Marsch from a USA forum entitled "Jesse Marsch might not be very good." It's 
> from a year ago, and it's terrifying. Won't share the whole thing because 
> it's badly written and rambling. But some bits are jaw-dropping when you 
> consider we'd tracked him for years and knew him better than he knew himself.
> "At New York teams worked out that you set a low block and play over him. The 
> book on how to stop them was written, and things didn't go well. They did 
> inexplicably beat Toronto - the best MLS team of all time. More on that 
> later."
> "In his biggest game, NY go a goal down and the opposition set a low block. 
> Marsch can't adjust tactics. They do have 20 shots chasing the game, all of 
> them fail on some sort of mishit pass/shot because there's no time. They 
> press harder than they've ever pressed . They create chance after chance 
> after chance. Then in the second half after a slight change from the 
> opposition they create nothing."
> "In Salzburg, he took Haaland and an exciting team to an expected league 
> title (a very fortunate points deduction to their rivals helped). In the CL 
> they look good against Liverpool and not good against worse teams. Fans 
> complain that he's a mediocre coach who can't make adjustments."
> "Leipzig are unanimously expected to qualify for the champions league. After 
> 14 games they're 8th and have lost three in a row. Leipzig are unable to deal 
> with low blocks. They have a knack of looking good against good sides, and 
> not so good against less good sides."
> "Marsch tactics work very well when you have an opponent who like time on the 
> ball. You can press and disrupt. Bit if teams play on the counter or hit long 
> balls over the top, Marsch's teams all come up short. "
> 

Re: [LU] Gone

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 the kinnear thing is only twitter rumours at the mo 
On Monday, 6 February 2023 at 15:32:50 GMT, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
  Angus Kinnear gone too (apparently) 
It's all happening today 



    On Monday, 6 February 2023 at 15:15:26 GMT, Simon McNally 
 wrote:  
 
 Yes!Now at least we’ve got a chance.
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behalf of Verner Hanna (Jnr) via Leedslist 
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Cc: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Subject: Re: [LU] Gone    Thank the Lord!!

   On 6 Feb 2023 14:37, Richard Walker via Leedslist
    wrote:

 Jessie gone !
 According to some Twitter reports but I remember them reporting
 Peter Lorimer was dead when he wasn't.
 Waiting for official confirmation from Popey and Hay
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Re: [LU] Gone

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 Angus Kinnear gone too (apparently) 
It's all happening today 



On Monday, 6 February 2023 at 15:15:26 GMT, Simon McNally 
 wrote:  
 
 Yes!Now at least we’ve got a chance.
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Subject: Re: [LU] Gone    Thank the Lord!!

   On 6 Feb 2023 14:37, Richard Walker via Leedslist
    wrote:

 Jessie gone !
 According to some Twitter reports but I remember them reporting
 Peter Lorimer was dead when he wasn't.
 Waiting for official confirmation from Popey and Hay
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Re: [LU] Gone- confirmed by pope

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 Yep , it's over and whilst I actually like Jesse, he shown nothing at all in 
terms of getting the team playing in any consistent manner. 
Be interesting what the new coach makes of some of the signings. 
On Monday, 6 February 2023 at 14:47:07 GMT, nat...@sky.com  
wrote:  
 
  Seen Adam pope confirm on twitter 
On Monday, 6 February 2023 at 14:37:37 GMT, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 Jessie gone ! 
According to some Twitter reports but I remember them reporting Peter Lorimer 
was dead when he wasn't.
Waiting for official confirmation from Popey and Hay 
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[LU] Gone

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

Jessie gone ! 
According to some Twitter reports but I remember them reporting Peter Lorimer 
was dead when he wasn't.
Waiting for official confirmation from Popey and Hay 
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Re: [LU] Forest

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

Has he still got that perm ?


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On Sunday, February 5, 2023, 8:05 pm, John Boocock  wrote:

Ronnie is my mate. I will spare him your abuse you set of bastards. (But yes 
you are right!)

On 5 February 2023 19:26:25 GMT, John Lee via Leedslist  
wrote:
>First laugh since the end of the game - thank you Richard Walker 
>
>Ronnie ‘f***ing’ Robinson ;-)
>
>My God, he gave us some laughs amongst the utter sh*te he was ;-)
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 5 Feb 2023, at 17:12, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
>> 
>> Pascal is being ruined - a decent centre back being played out of position 
>> long after it stopped working - his confidence is totally shot . We have got 
>> a good player in wober but he is not a left back so we only have Firpo
>> Looking at social media tonight Jesse is done
>> 
>> On Sunday, 5 February 2023 at 17:06:50 GMT, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> That was the worst left back performance since Ronnie Robinson. Absolutely 
>> rubbish. 
>> 
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On Sunday, February 5, 2023, 3:01 pm, Simon McNally via Leedslist 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes.
>> Really poor from Pascal to give the free kick away and then a poor header. 
>> Not sure why Ayling wasn’t tight to Johnson.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>> 
>> From: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
>> Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2023 2:56:10 PM
>> To: Simon McNally 
>> Cc: Michael Benjamin ; leeds list 
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Forest
>> 
>> What is hard to take is how hard we work to close down all over the pitch, 
>> but they get the ball on the edge of our box and there is no-one within 5 
>> yards of their player!
>> 
>> Plus the guy who was ‘fouled’ for the free-kick was offside - this combo of 
>> desperate luck and sh*te defending on the right has to change, otherwise 
>> we’ve had it!
>> 
>> Very impressed by Wober though - some great tackles/interceptions, and a 
>> couple of excellent forward passes.
>> 
>> It’s going to be a long second half! We can still do this, but another ‘here 
>> we go again’ feeling!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 5 Feb 2023, at 13:52, Simon McNally 
>> mailto:simon_mcna...@sky.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Me too.
>> I was a bit surprised by the selection. I’d have expected McKennie to start 
>> but at least he’s dropped Aaronson.
>> As ever, worried when I see Cooper starting.
>> Feels massive today.
>> 
>> Sent from Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>> 
>> From: Leedslist 
>> mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> on 
>> behalf of John Lee via Leedslist 
>> mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2023 1:47:52 PM
>> To: Michael Benjamin mailto:m...@myray.com>>
>> Cc: leeds list mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Forest
>> 
>> Yep, today isn’t a ‘must’ win, but if we don’t the mood music will be very 
>> grim indeed.  Marsch’s tactical nous, or lack of, have left me unimpressed 
>> from day 1, but we have some really good players and I’m just hoping a 
>> cohesive unit will develop, pretty damn quickly! We have a really strong 
>> bench, but as ever how the defence performs will be critical! I’m unsure why 
>> Weston isn’t on at the start, but let’s see?
>> 
>> I reckon Marsch has 5 league games to determine his future at Leeds - whilst 
>> getting rid in mid-February wouldn’t be ideal, by then we’ll know whether a 
>> turn of fortunes has happened?
>> 
>> Pretty nervous here though :-(
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> > On 5 Feb 2023, at 12:23, Michael Benjamin 
>> > mailto:m...@myray.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > With you here
>> > --Michael
>> >
>> >
>> > Dr  Michael Benjamin,
>> > Community Psychiatrist.
>> > Oranit,
>> > ISRAEL
>> >
>> > SKYPE: BEDENOGA
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>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Leedslist 
>> > mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> On 
>> > Behalf Of nattan--- via Leedslist
>> > Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2023 2:07 PM
>> > To

Re: [LU] Forest

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

Hope so. We have one tactic and that’s give the ball to Gnonto. Forest 
nullified that in the 2nd half and we were toothless 2nd half. We totally ran 
out of ideas. I think there’s enough talent in the team to stay up but I can’t 
see it with Marsch in charge.


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On Sunday, February 5, 2023, 5:12 pm, nat...@sky.com  wrote:

 Pascal is being ruined - a decent centre back being played out of position 
long after it stopped working - his confidence is totally shot . We have got a 
good player in wober but he is not a left back so we only have FirpoLooking at 
social media tonight Jesse is done
On Sunday, 5 February 2023 at 17:06:50 GMT, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 That was the worst left back performance since Ronnie Robinson. Absolutely 
rubbish. 

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Sunday, February 5, 2023, 3:01 pm, Simon McNally via Leedslist 
 wrote:

Yes.
Really poor from Pascal to give the free kick away and then a poor header. Not 
sure why Ayling wasn’t tight to Johnson.


Sent from Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

From: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2023 2:56:10 PM
To: Simon McNally 
Cc: Michael Benjamin ; leeds list 
Subject: Re: [LU] Forest

What is hard to take is how hard we work to close down all over the pitch, but 
they get the ball on the edge of our box and there is no-one within 5 yards of 
their player!

Plus the guy who was ‘fouled’ for the free-kick was offside - this combo of 
desperate luck and sh*te defending on the right has to change, otherwise we’ve 
had it!

Very impressed by Wober though - some great tackles/interceptions, and a couple 
of excellent forward passes.

It’s going to be a long second half! We can still do this, but another ‘here we 
go again’ feeling!




On 5 Feb 2023, at 13:52, Simon McNally 
mailto:simon_mcna...@sky.com>> wrote:

Me too.
I was a bit surprised by the selection. I’d have expected McKennie to start but 
at least he’s dropped Aaronson.
As ever, worried when I see Cooper starting.
Feels massive today.

Sent from Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

From: Leedslist 
mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> on behalf 
of John Lee via Leedslist mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2023 1:47:52 PM
To: Michael Benjamin mailto:m...@myray.com>>
Cc: leeds list mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
Subject: Re: [LU] Forest

Yep, today isn’t a ‘must’ win, but if we don’t the mood music will be very grim 
indeed.  Marsch’s tactical nous, or lack of, have left me unimpressed from day 
1, but we have some really good players and I’m just hoping a cohesive unit 
will develop, pretty damn quickly! We have a really strong bench, but as ever 
how the defence performs will be critical! I’m unsure why Weston isn’t on at 
the start, but let’s see?

I reckon Marsch has 5 league games to determine his future at Leeds - whilst 
getting rid in mid-February wouldn’t be ideal, by then we’ll know whether a 
turn of fortunes has happened?

Pretty nervous here though :-(

Sent from my iPad

> On 5 Feb 2023, at 12:23, Michael Benjamin 
> mailto:m...@myray.com>> wrote:
>
> With you here
> --Michael
>
>
> Dr  Michael Benjamin,
> Community Psychiatrist.
> Oranit,
> ISRAEL
>
> SKYPE: BEDENOGA
> PHONE: +972-505-317772
> Online CBT ||  Online Consultations
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>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist 
> mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> On Behalf 
> Of nattan--- via Leedslist
> Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2023 2:07 PM
> To: leeds list mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
> Subject: [LU] Forest
>
>  Today's game is massive for Jesse marsch, he needs to get it right Looking 
>at yesterday's fixtures pre kickoff I thought all 6  of our relegation rivals 
>could well lose, instead Everton , Leicester and Wolves picked up unlikely 
>wins, and west ham an unlikely draw, so only Southampton and Bournemouth got 
>nothing.We do have two games in hand on all bar Forest ( one game) but after 
>scum away on Wednesday we will have played the same number.
> It is hard to see us get much in the back to back scum games and so we must 
> get points today.The board have backed Marsch massively in the transfer 
> window bringing in 3 players, but the fans are yet to be convinced and a 
> defeat today and Wednesday could see a real backlash if we then go behind on 
> Sunday. A win today eases that pressure a bit and fans can then largely 
> ignore the next 2 results and concentrate on getting wins v Southampton and 
> Everton He needs to pick the right team ( whatever that is, I'm sure we all 
> have our own ideas) and get the tactics rightRegards tactics there

Re: [LU] Forest

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

That was the worst left back performance since Ronnie Robinson. Absolutely 
rubbish. 

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Sunday, February 5, 2023, 3:01 pm, Simon McNally via Leedslist 
 wrote:

Yes.
Really poor from Pascal to give the free kick away and then a poor header. Not 
sure why Ayling wasn’t tight to Johnson.


Sent from Outlook for iOS

From: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2023 2:56:10 PM
To: Simon McNally 
Cc: Michael Benjamin ; leeds list 
Subject: Re: [LU] Forest

What is hard to take is how hard we work to close down all over the pitch, but 
they get the ball on the edge of our box and there is no-one within 5 yards of 
their player!

Plus the guy who was ‘fouled’ for the free-kick was offside - this combo of 
desperate luck and sh*te defending on the right has to change, otherwise we’ve 
had it!

Very impressed by Wober though - some great tackles/interceptions, and a couple 
of excellent forward passes.

It’s going to be a long second half! We can still do this, but another ‘here we 
go again’ feeling!




On 5 Feb 2023, at 13:52, Simon McNally 
mailto:simon_mcna...@sky.com>> wrote:

Me too.
I was a bit surprised by the selection. I’d have expected McKennie to start but 
at least he’s dropped Aaronson.
As ever, worried when I see Cooper starting.
Feels massive today.

Sent from Outlook for iOS

From: Leedslist 
mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> on behalf 
of John Lee via Leedslist mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2023 1:47:52 PM
To: Michael Benjamin mailto:m...@myray.com>>
Cc: leeds list mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
Subject: Re: [LU] Forest

Yep, today isn’t a ‘must’ win, but if we don’t the mood music will be very grim 
indeed.  Marsch’s tactical nous, or lack of, have left me unimpressed from day 
1, but we have some really good players and I’m just hoping a cohesive unit 
will develop, pretty damn quickly! We have a really strong bench, but as ever 
how the defence performs will be critical! I’m unsure why Weston isn’t on at 
the start, but let’s see?

I reckon Marsch has 5 league games to determine his future at Leeds - whilst 
getting rid in mid-February wouldn’t be ideal, by then we’ll know whether a 
turn of fortunes has happened?

Pretty nervous here though :-(

Sent from my iPad

> On 5 Feb 2023, at 12:23, Michael Benjamin 
> mailto:m...@myray.com>> wrote:
>
> With you here
> --Michael
>
>
> Dr  Michael Benjamin,
> Community Psychiatrist.
> Oranit,
> ISRAEL
>
> SKYPE: BEDENOGA
> PHONE: +972-505-317772
> Online CBT ||  Online Consultations
> BLOG: Times Of Israel || Quora || Jerusalem Post || MYCYBERTHERAPY BLOG
> AMAZON AUTHORS PAGE.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist 
> mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> On Behalf 
> Of nattan--- via Leedslist
> Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2023 2:07 PM
> To: leeds list mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
> Subject: [LU] Forest
>
>  Today's game is massive for Jesse marsch, he needs to get it right Looking 
>at yesterday's fixtures pre kickoff I thought all 6  of our relegation rivals 
>could well lose, instead Everton , Leicester and Wolves picked up unlikely 
>wins, and west ham an unlikely draw, so only Southampton and Bournemouth got 
>nothing.We do have two games in hand on all bar Forest ( one game) but after 
>scum away on Wednesday we will have played the same number.
> It is hard to see us get much in the back to back scum games and so we must 
> get points today.The board have backed Marsch massively in the transfer 
> window bringing in 3 players, but the fans are yet to be convinced and a 
> defeat today and Wednesday could see a real backlash if we then go behind on 
> Sunday. A win today eases that pressure a bit and fans can then largely 
> ignore the next 2 results and concentrate on getting wins v Southampton and 
> Everton He needs to pick the right team ( whatever that is, I'm sure we all 
> have our own ideas) and get the tactics rightRegards tactics there is a video 
> on YouTube well worth watching by Leeds  Lately  entitled " Leeds need to fix 
> this problem,  the complete guide to Jesse Marcsh tactics"Lots of talk about 
> half lanes and stinger crosses etc,  very clear and informative For what its 
> worth,  and I have no idea re fitness/ sharpness in training etc I would go  
> 4 3 3 Meslier Ayling, Cooper,  Wober, Struijk Roca Adams McKinney Gnonto  
> Bamford Harrison That means can bring on Rutter, Summerville,  Sinisterra 
> from the bench as any of the front 3 tire As I say this is without seeing how 
> match ready McKinney etc  are Dave 
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Re: [LU] Someone agrees with Rich Walker

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 Do you agree Tim ? 
To be fair to Roca, I think he's probably had his two best games against 
Accrington and Brentford but you could hardly sit back and think that he really 
influenced the game. I think he's got a nice but limited left foot. He's quick 
to get rid when he gets the ball and usually that's either backwards or poked 
on to the wing which probably adds to his forward passes %ge which people on 
Twitter like to quote. 
His problem is fitness and pace. He rarely completes a game and when we're 
looking to deliver good balls into the area Marsch seems to favour young 
Greenwood. So we have to ask what is Roca's role in the team. He was touted as 
the creative midfielder who will unlock defences with his great passing 
ability. I don't think we've seen that and against Brentford he tried two long 
passes and both went to the opposition. 
Watch him getting back when the opposition is breaking, he's usually the last 
one. 

I think he's a major weakness in our team and I'm hoping the arrival of the 
other yank will dislodge him from the team. 
On Wednesday, 1 February 2023 at 14:19:01 GMT, Tim Whelan via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 

https://tbrfootball.com/danny-murphy-suggests-leeds-midfielder-marc-roca-isnt-good-enough-for-the-premier-league/
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Re: [LU] Accrington it is then

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 Rutter hat-trick  if he's fit enough to play 
On Tuesday, 24 January 2023 at 22:18:56 GMT, Tim Whelan via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 
They have just scraped through against the mighty Boreham Wood for the 
right to play little old us. Needing a penalty in extra time to secure 
their 1-0 win.
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Re: [LU] Brentford

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

Ok that probably explains why he didn’t start but surely he could have managed 
10 mins? If not, why even on the bench ?


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2023 at 20:31:00 GMT, nattan--- via Leedslist  wrote:  
 
 A mainly good performance got us a deserved point, whether it is 2 dropped or 
1 gained I suppose time will tell, but this was a game we could and should have 
won.
The team was as expected other than the fact that our new left back, Wober came 
in at centre half in place of the injured Cooper rather than instead of Struik 
who kept his place.  It did work though as he looked assured 
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Re: [LU] Brentford

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 and Fat Frank has gone. 

Shame cos I would have loved to see him taking them down. 
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 15:38:35 GMT, Richard Walker 
 wrote:  
 
  Not sure whether this was a good point or two points lost. It looked to me 
that Brentford came with a not to lose attitude especially in the 2nd half so 
maybe we should have put our subs on earlier and really gone for it. 


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Re: [LU] Brentford

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 Not sure whether this was a good point or two points lost. It looked to me 
that Brentford came with a not to lose attitude especially in the 2nd half so 
maybe we should have put our subs on earlier and really gone for it. 
The discussion pre-match was whether Rutter would go straight in. A record £36 
million pound signing surely had to figure at some point but instead he sat 
rooted to the bench for most of the afternoon. I find it hard to comprehend why 
he wasn't at very least given 15 minutes. It would have sparked the crowd and 
you just never know ? 
Overall though, I thought this was a better performance particularly at the 
back where Wober looks very solid. I hope Marsch doesn't move him to left back 
because it's about time we had a central defender who doesn't fuck up every 
other match. 
The tactics continue to mystify though. We are so narrow that you need someone 
to take the ball and weave their way through 3 or 4 defenders to create a 
chance. It's not going to happen so we were restricted to long range efforts 
and one great chance for Willy. 
Marsch thought Aaronson and his best match ? Really ? Yes the lad is trying and 
you can really see that but the more he tries the more desperate he looks and 
more and more things just don't come off for him. Everyone seems to be getting 
on his back whereas Roca's non-performances seem to be largely going 
unecrognised although I've noticed more and more people commenting about his 
role in the team. He was brough to be the creative one in midfield but he tried 
2 long passes yesterday and both were straight to an opposition player. To be 
fair, he did lots of work and some nice bits and pieces but he normally just 
passes the ball bak or prods it forward 5 years to Gnonto or Harrison. I think 
we need better than Roca in this position. With 10 mins to go, Marsh takes Roca 
off and puts on Greenwood because he is better at delivering the ball from set 
pieces ? But Roca takes corners and has a nice left foot ? 
The big question now is how does Marsch accomodate Rodrigo / Bamford / Rutter / 
Summerville / Sinistera / Harrison / Gnonto / Geldhardt (going apparently) ? 
Nice problem to have but someone is not going to be happy. For me, as good as 
Rodrigo has been playing, he's not a number 9 and doesn't hold the line well. 
Bamford does that so much better. Also Rutter says he wants to play down the 
middle. Hopefully we'll get a look at him against Accrington Stanley on 
Saturday. Welcome to England Georginio !
Going to be a fascinating Feb. 
Scores:
Meslier - 6. A few punches and one dodgy moment but generally had nothing to do 
Ayling - 7. I thought he had a good game. Feel much better with Ayling at RB 
than Rasmus 
Struijk - 6. Did ok, not really troubled. Tried to get forward 2nd half in his 
own limited way. 
Wober - 9. Confident at the back with some great challenges 
Koch - 8. Possibly his best game this season. 
Adams - 8. All round, good performance    
Roca - 6. Worked hard with some decent bits of link up play 
Harrison - 7. Did ok but certainly doesn't have the same understanding with 
Willy as Summerville does 
Rodrigo - 7. Worked hard and carved out a couple of half chances 
Gnonto - 6. Struggled as Brentford always had 2 or 3 men on him 
Aaronson - 5. Struggled to make an impact
Subs:
Bamford - 7. Looked lively Greenwood - not on long enough 

Marsch - needed subs on earlier and give Rutter 10-15 mins 
 

On Sunday, 22 January 2023 at 20:31:00 GMT, nattan--- via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 A mainly good performance got us a deserved point, whether it is 2 dropped or 
1 gained I suppose time will tell, but this was a game we could and should have 
won.
The team was as expected other than the fact that our new left back, Wober came 
in at centre half in place of the injured Cooper rather than instead of Struik 
who kept his place.  It did work though as he looked assured 
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Re: [LU] Cardiff

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 Some stats don't tell you owt, we know that, you just have to watch the games 
to see that he doesn't influence them and they seem to pass him by. I think the 
stat was progressive passes, and for him that could be getting the ball and 
playing it out to Harrison or Gnonto on the left. 
Cardiff was actually one of his better games as he did see a lot of the ball 
early on and did try to move things forward and even had a couple of shots that 
were blocked but given who we were playing he didn't impress like others did. 
On Thursday, 19 January 2023 at 14:59:23 GMT, Simon McNally via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 Yes, at times we looked to be 433 with Harrison on the left of the midfield 3. 
As Rich says though, I’m not convinced by either Greenwood or Roca in central 
midfield and certainly not Aaronson.
Roca is a mystery though. I keep seeing people posting metrics on Twitter that 
show him in a very positive light, but when I actually watch him at the games I 
just don’t see it. The games seem to pass him by most of the time.
Really pleased to see Bamford back and scoring but still massive concerns about 
the defence when we play a prem team.

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Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2023 2:52:28 PM
To: Nick 
Cc: Leeds List 2010 
Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff

I thought Harrison seemed to be playing more centrally last night - not out on 
the touchline. I wonder if that’s part of a longer-term plan; wouldn’t hate the 
idea of him in the middle of the pitch…

Sent from my iPhone

> On 19 Jan 2023, at 14:46, Nick  wrote:
>
> As we were leaving last night we said what we needed was a McAllister-type 
> in there to be the brains and knit it all together…
>
> Nick
>
>> On 19 Jan 2023, at 13:57, Richard Walker  wrote:
>>
>> I agree it's a problem position but it's a nice problem to have.
>>
>> I think a bigger problem is who plays alongside Adams. I think we need Adams 
>> to protect the back 4 which means we need a player who can go box to box 
>> alongside him. That's not Roca or Greenwood. I think we look vulnerable i 
>> midfield when teams come at us. Roca is slow and Greenwood defensively is 
>> poor.
>>
>> On Thursday, 19 January 2023 at 12:31:59 GMT, MATTHEW GAYNOR via Leedslist 
>>  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> No 10 would appear to be the 'problem' position
>>
>> At No.9 we have Rodrigo, Bamford, Rutter, Gelhardt - cant drop Rodrigo
>> at the moment
>> For wingers we have Gnonto, Harrison, Sinisterra, Summerville and i
>> think Rutter can play there as well
>>
>> For No.10 an out of form Aaronson - who i think Jesse prefers outwide
>> anyway.
>>
>> I thought Greenwood was going to play there yesterday, as thats where he
>> played for the U23s - but he seemed to be largely out wide.
>> I think its worth a go - as i agree his dead ball delivery is valuable.
>>
>> Clever of us to get our new left back injured, before he has even played
>> left-back.
>> Starting at centre-back between Firpo and Llorente must be fun
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Nick" mailto:n...@6haroldplace.co.uk>>
>> To: "Leeds List 2010" mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
>> Sent: Thursday, 19 Jan, 23 At 12:23
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff
>> I think he has to drop Aaronson. He is behind Gnonto, Rodrigo and
>> Bamford on impact alone; he is also behind Harrison who had a quietly
>> effective game yesterday - I noticed he was doing a lot of shouting and
>> organising of Gnonto and Firpo up and down the left, he also set up the
>> 2nd and 3rd goals. He is also, presumably behind our record signing.
>> A word for Rodrigo - who is so full of confidence at the moment, it is a
>> real pleasure to see him playing so well and thriving.
>> And then Sinisterra. And what of Gelhardt? Perkins?
>> No idea what Ayling was trying to do with that cross…
>> We desperately need to learn how to defend… and, yeah Roca was mainly
>> pants yesterday.
>> Nick
>> On 19 Jan 2023, at 12:02, nattan--- via Leedslist > <mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
>> wrote:
>> Rich said "Interesting team selection dilemma for Sunday. Nice to have
>> but you surely can't ignore Bamford"
>> I am pretty sure Rodrigo will start and his recent performances and goal
>> scoring means he deserves it, but Paddy is certainly looking good.Jesse
>> also needs to work out if Sinisterra should start,  is he fit and sharp
>> enough? Also Rutter , what does he do with him ? Assume bring him off
>> the bench but at €40m he should

Re: [LU] Cardiff

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 I agree it's a problem position but it's a nice problem to have. 
I think a bigger problem is who plays alongside Adams. I think we need Adams to 
protect the back 4 which means we need a player who can go box to box alongside 
him. That's not Roca or Greenwood. I think we look vulnerable i midfield when 
teams come at us. Roca is slow and Greenwood defensively is poor. 
On Thursday, 19 January 2023 at 12:31:59 GMT, MATTHEW GAYNOR via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 
No 10 would appear to be the 'problem' position

At No.9 we have Rodrigo, Bamford, Rutter, Gelhardt - cant drop Rodrigo 
at the moment
For wingers we have Gnonto, Harrison, Sinisterra, Summerville and i 
think Rutter can play there as well

For No.10 an out of form Aaronson - who i think Jesse prefers outwide 
anyway.

I thought Greenwood was going to play there yesterday, as thats where he 
played for the U23s - but he seemed to be largely out wide.
I think its worth a go - as i agree his dead ball delivery is valuable.

Clever of us to get our new left back injured, before he has even played 
left-back.
Starting at centre-back between Firpo and Llorente must be fun

Matt

-- Original Message --
From: "Nick" 
To: "Leeds List 2010" 
Sent: Thursday, 19 Jan, 23 At 12:23
Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff
I think he has to drop Aaronson. He is behind Gnonto, Rodrigo and 
Bamford on impact alone; he is also behind Harrison who had a quietly 
effective game yesterday - I noticed he was doing a lot of shouting and 
organising of Gnonto and Firpo up and down the left, he also set up the 
2nd and 3rd goals. He is also, presumably behind our record signing.
A word for Rodrigo - who is so full of confidence at the moment, it is a 
real pleasure to see him playing so well and thriving.
And then Sinisterra. And what of Gelhardt? Perkins?
No idea what Ayling was trying to do with that cross…
We desperately need to learn how to defend… and, yeah Roca was mainly 
pants yesterday.
Nick
On 19 Jan 2023, at 12:02, nattan--- via Leedslist  
wrote:
Rich said "Interesting team selection dilemma for Sunday. Nice to have 
but you surely can't ignore Bamford"
I am pretty sure Rodrigo will start and his recent performances and goal 
scoring means he deserves it, but Paddy is certainly looking good.Jesse 
also needs to work out if Sinisterra should start,  is he fit and sharp 
enough? Also Rutter , what does he do with him ? Assume bring him off 
the bench but at €40m he should be first name on the team sheet once he 
gets up to speed. The one whose place should be up for discussion is 
Aaronson , his recent displays have not been good but he is a Jesse 
favourite  and looked very good in his first few matches
Most of all he needs to work out the best back four, Wober played CH 
last night rather than as the left back we bought him to be, can we rely 
on Firpo as left back? Ayling was massively at fault for their goal , so 
does Rasmus get the nod ahead of him. Then with cooper struggling who 
plays alongside Koch
It may be overdoing it to say this game will determine Jesse's future , 
but if he wants to keep the job he needs to get it right. A defeat will 
make his position very shaky indeed and the crowd will turn, of the 4 of 
us there last night, 2 want him gone, me and another are hoping it will 
come right but are worried and not far off joining the  'out camp'. A 
win at least gives him breathing space and may provide a platform for 
the upcoming games
Looking at highlights from last night all 5 of our goals were excellent 
Paddy just look so comfortable and composed for his two
Dave

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Re: [LU] Cardiff

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 you say Cardiff offered nothing but that actually scored 3 goals and had 
another couple of good chances which shows how fragile our defence is at the 
moment. 
Credit to Marsch though for actually picking a strong side and going after them 
which has worked well because everyone goes into the Brentford game with our 
tails up. That's how you should treat these cup games, not putting U-23s in , 
losing, then suffering for weeks because of it which is what we have done for 
the last 10+ years. 
Having said that I think Marsch was forced to pick a strong team as his job is 
on the line. 
Interesting team selection dilemma for Sunday. Nice to have but you surely 
can't ignore Bamford who looks sharp after his recent op. 

On Thursday, 19 January 2023 at 07:43:33 GMT, nattan--- via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 Well that was something I have not experienced for many years - a fun FA cup 
game. A full house ( apart from Cardiff bit - they only had the top tier and 
only half filled it) for a cup game was also something not seen for a while 
This was a game we were always in control of, from Willie's stormer in the 
first minute ( I was still outside due to crowds of fans not sure how to work 
the turnstiles) but saw it on the screen outside.)
They were dreadful and offered almost nothing but you can only beat what is in 
front of you, and we did that in some style.  Every goal was a good one, and we 
created other chances as well. Gnonto is looking amazing, Rodrigo scored one 
and had a hand in 2 others,  as he continued (?starts) to look a good player.  
It was great to see paddy  back, taking his 2 goals with style. Sinisterra also 
made a short appearance 

So overall an excellent performance,  which keeps Jesse in a job till Sunday at 
least 
Shame we could not keep a clean sheet,  we got lucky with the offside call at 
3-0 but then Ayling let the ball through him for thier first , and then they 
got a penalty ( var wrong for the second time in the game - offside player not 
interfering so that should have stood and ball hit Roca rather than the other 
way round.
So a fun night, but Sunday is when Jesse's future will be decided.  Play like 
we did last night and we will create and score chances but how many do we need 
to score to win ? We keep conceding 2 per game including against a Cardiff side 
who cant even score in the championship 
Dave 
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Re: [LU] Rutter

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

Yeah even Roca looked half decent on YouTube


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On Sunday, January 15, 2023, 12:45 pm, Steve Gillen  wrote:

Have you ever tried searching for a player on YouTube and NOT seen them looking 
amazing? They always do. 

> On 15 Jan 2023, at 12:12, nattan--- via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> I see Rutter has signed As usual he looks amazing on YouTube clips etc a 
> really exciting player who loves tricks, turns and running at people ( he 
> also likes falling over)
> His addition means we should be brilliant going forward- Sinisterra,  Gnonto 
> , Summerville and now Rutter are all the types to get fans on their feet ( if 
> you sit down that is ) add Harrison and Aaronson ( if he gets back to form) 
> and we should be creating lots for Rodrigo and Bamford etc.
> If only we could sort out our defensive frailties we would be good.  Whether 
> Jesse is the man to sort it out is certainly open to debate ( he needs 2 wins 
> this week for starters) but hopefully Max can help in  that regard 
> On another note my wife started laughing during villa match because we had 
> brought on " Max and Paddy" ( wober and Bamford)
> 
> Dave 
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Re: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

Despite the comeback, that was simply not good enough. Kristenson and Firpo 
cannot defend and the central pair were like watching the Chuckle brothers. 
Never rated Struijk as a central defender and I think today really showed why.
Our midfield was non-existent. 

They were proper shite and we really struggled. Not many positives for me 
however pleased for the fans that we actually clawed it back. Imagine the 6 
hour coach journey back home if we’d lost.
Boreham Wood and Accrington away if we win. Winnable ! Maybe this is our year ? 
:)



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On Sunday, January 8, 2023, 4:16 pm, Simon McNally via Leedslist 
 wrote:

Thought Firpo did ok today.

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Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 4:03:53 PM
To: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org ; Kevin Lewis 

Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago

And up he pops with a back-heel for Perkins’ leveller :-)

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> On 8 Jan 2023, at 15:32, "bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk" 
>  wrote:
>
> Oh, he’s back ;-)
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 8 Jan 2023, at 15:22, John Lee via Leedslist  wrote:
>>
>> Completely amazed they subbed Firpo - I thought he’d got a lift home after 
>> about 10 minutes!
>>
>> At least the substitutions indicate we want to try and win this though.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On 8 Jan 2023, at 15:17, Kevin Lewis  wrote:
>>>
>>> Agree with what you say about Greenwood, but  I have to say that seemingly 
>>> playing 4-4-2 has left Gyabi and Greenwood a bit outnumbered.
>>>
 On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 at 14:56,  wrote:
 When I said we’ll need to score 3 to win it, can I increase that to 4!

 Llorente/Struijk - Cooper must be pissing himself! There is zero 
 organisation in that defence! It’s way past embarrassing!

 Having Greenwood & Gelhardt on is like playing with 2 men down. Greenwood 
 is probably only one lazy late challenge from a red card too. Hoping 
 Gnonto doesn’t pick another booking up too - unlucky re his first booking, 
 as there was slight contact, but why he went down who knows?

 Ah well, we can concentrate on the league, unless...



 We’re just lightweight all over the pitch.

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Re: [LU] Hammers / farewell to Klich

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 I thought we rallied well late 2nd half but overall it was a very average 
performance against one of the poorer teams in the league. 
I agree with your Aaronson comments who looks likes he's struggling big time 
but surprised you haven't picked up on Roca, who really adds nothing to the 
team other than a nice back pass and the occassional corner. He was in the side 
to be the creative midfielder but he doesn't create anything. He was dragged 
off last night, as he is most games, as we chased the game. Obviously, Marsch 
doesn't think he's capable of producing the creativity for goals either. He 
even started with a half fit Forshaw over him against the Geordies ? 10 million 
pounds of pure averageness. 
The playing around the back is back to the bad old days. Koch is terrible at 
placing a pass and was under pressure all night. It usually ends up with 
Meslier punting up front for 5ft 4 Willy to win. 
Gnonto was the highlight for me, almost a one man team at times when he gets 
the ball and runs but is this our tactic, to rely on individuals to beat 3 men 
and put it in the net ? I also thought Adams battled well in the midfield with 
nobody really helping him. 
Tactics are baffling. I think we're going down. 
Missed the Klich send off. Why didn't the club didn't announce this pre-match ?


On Thursday, 5 January 2023 at 10:08:35 GMT, nattan--- via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 An odd game in many ways , for 63 minutes this was two very mediocre teams 
playing poorly in awful conditions with a bad ref (" who's the  cockney in the 
black?" Sang the crowd )It would have been totally non descript apart from the 
goals, but after the introduction of Harrison things changed and for the last 
25 mins it was fun and exciting. Overall,  probably 2pts dropped rather than 
one gained , and supposedly we have dropped 14 pts when we have gone ahead ( to 
be fair last night we did get a point after being behind  as well, so not sure 
how stats are calculated)

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Re: [LU] Tonight etc

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 I think Marsch has aged in the short time he has been at the club. He looks 
really stressed. 
On Wednesday, 4 January 2023 at 15:55:09 GMT, John Lee via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 Lots of debate re whether tonight is a must win? For Marsch it certainly is - 
in his last press conference he looked twitchy, nervous and stressed to the max 
- his beliefs in his tactics must be hanging on a thread - without a win 
tonight, he might just crack. Much as I despair of his tactics and verbal 
diarrhoea, I did feel for him - not nice seeing him like that tbh. For the 
club, obviously there still are plenty of games left should we lose, but the 
mood in the ground would be toxic so again, it is a must win, even though it 
may be yet another false-dawn!

A line from It’s a mad, mad, mad world pretty much covers it “No matter how we 
figure it, we still can’t figure it!”

Praying for 3 points!


> On 4 Jan 2023, at 15:40, MATTHEW GAYNOR via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> On the plus side since the point Marsch looked certain to be sacked we've 
> taken 7 points from 5 games which was a brutal run of Liverpool / Bournemouth 
> / Spurs / City / Newcastle and now it gets easier
> 
> 
> On the flipside i have no idea how we did that and havent seen any real 
> change in the tactics in the friendlies or the 2 games back - so dont feel 
> over confident going forward.  It still feels like we are relying on 3 teams 
> being worse than us, more than us playing our way out of trouble.
> 
> Ironically for a team that Marsch wants to play narrow - with the emergence 
> of Gnonto and Summerville we now have more wingers than ever.
> 
> Matt
> 
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "nattan--- via Leedslist" 
> To: "leeds list" 
> Sent: Wednesday, 4 Jan, 23 At 12:18
> Subject: [LU] Tonight etc
> 
> The results all went our way last night with Everton, Bournemouth and 
> Leicester all losing.The table is looking like 2 halves with villa in 13th on 
> 21 looking safe as are all those above them Then Leicester on 17 and us on 16 
> pts.
> Makes tonight massive - a win puts us to the top of the bottom half ( if that 
> makes sense) and puts a lot of teams plus a few points between us and the 
> drop.
> A defeat and we stay firmly in the relegation fight and it makes our hard won 
> / lucky point at Newcastle almost worthless,  we need to build on decent 
> results.
> We also need to start beating the bad teams beginning tonight,  and then 
> getting points in the next half dozen games which are mainly winnable.
> A win also means we can try for a cup run starting on Sunday but a defeat may 
> mean treating the cup as an  unwelcome sideshow and mean putting out a 
> reserve side
> Dave
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Re: [LU] Newcastle thoughts

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For once I agree with Heath on the time wasting. Don’t like to see it from us 
and as much as I liked the way it riled the Geordies I just wish we hadn’t 
needed to resort to these tactics. Unfortunately, we’re just not good enough 
under Marsch to play the game out. 


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 Unfortunately On Sunday, January 1, 2023, 3:44 pm, Robert Heath 
 wrote:

I was very conflicted about that behaviour. Having widely lambasted the likes 
of Pickford and Martinez (and indeed the entire Villa team) (and their subs, 
ballboys, kit men, tea ladies and mascot) in the past I would be very 
hypocritical to relish that shit when we do it. It would never have happened 
under Bielsa. I'm sorry, but if you want to "manage" the game over the last few 
minutes, just keep passing the ball to your own players and don't let the other 
bastards have it! That may be an outdated Corinthian attitude, but that's what 
I believe.
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 oh I forgot to mention our time wasting and play acting in the 2nd Half. Loved 
it ! Totally riled the Geordies. We've had so much of that shit against us in 
the last few years it was good to give some back. 
    On Sunday, 1 January 2023 at 14:38:47 GMT, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:  

 Considering where they are in their journey and where we are this was a great 
point for us in very difficult conditions. Every player gave 100% and we 
battled hard to get the point. 


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Re: [LU] Newcastle thoughts

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That’s an awful piece of journalism. Roca was bloody awful 2nd half but as I 
said he wasn’t the only reason why we were so 2nd best in the second half. 
However, it was one of the main reasons.


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On Sunday, January 1, 2023, 6:05 pm, Michael Benjamin  wrote:

Completely agree
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Subject: [LU] Newcastle thoughts Considering where they are in their journey 
and where we are this was a great point for us in very difficult conditions. 
Every player gave 100% and we battled hard to get the point. 
However, for me this is a game that 9 times out of 10 we lose 3/4/5 nil. Yes at 
times we defended heroically, we had to do, but how many unmarked black and 
white shirts were there in the box from corners, set pieces and open play. They 
had chance after chance which they either blazed over or were saved by Man of 
the Match Meslier ? 
I thought we were excellent in the first half with a new look centre midfield 
of Forshaw and Adams. A lot of people have written Forshaw off but considering 
how much time he has had out and how little football he plays , he was fit 
enough to compete and really make a difference in that first half. A much 
better option defensively than Roca. Yes he gave the ball away cheaply at times 
but then I think you can level that at all our players yesterday. We just seem 
incapable of playing a simple ball at times. It is very frustrating to watch. 
Then a half time , Forshaw went off to protect him (apparently) and on came my 
favourite Roca. Immediately, we lost control of the midfield and the game. I'm 
obviously not blaming it all on Roca but it was a significant difference. Roca 
flatters to deceive but I think there's a lot of fans who can now see past a 
decent left foot and are asking what is this guy bringing to the party ? He's 
simply not good enough to compete and play at this level and the Twitter army 
who sent me all sort of messages yesterday when I said I'd much rather go with 
Forshaw and Adams than Adams/Roca are just simply wrong. Also Forshaw will get 
fitter and better. Is he the long term answer ? No. BUT neither is Roca and we 
need another central midfield this month. 
My main complaint about the performance is our complete lack of tactics. To 
create a chance we are reliant on someone to get the ball and run and beat 2 or 
3 men and score. Gnonto gave it a go, so did Aarnson and Harrison but both 
fluffed their final shot. Rodrigo managed to get round his man and make the 
keeper save but where's the interplay, where are the attacking tactics ? We 
don't have any and we look like a team of battlers who really haven't got a 
clue. Summervilla and Gnonto might keep us up with some goals on the break but 
I really fear for us. 
Marsch looks fucked - he looks out of his depth to me. 
Wednesday is looking big and I hope we can take some positives from yesterday 
and really have a go at West Ham. 
Happy New Year 
Scores: 
Meslier - 10. Perfect performance Ayling - 6. I thought he battled well but 
looked ring rusty at times Struijk - 7. Some good tackles but then some slack 
play Cooper - 8. 100%Koch - 8 100% Forshaw - 7. Fought hard first half Adams - 
8. FOught hard for 94 minutes Harrison - 6. Out of sorts but did ok in hte 
first half Aaronson - 6. People beginning to question his end product but he's 
doing ok for me. Maybe if we had some better tactics he would look more 
effective Gnonto - 8. Got the ball and ran with it. Like the look of this lad 
Rodrigo - 7. Did ok 2nd half but ineffective first half. 
Subs:Klich - 4. Totally ineffective uRoca - 2. Totally ineffective - yellow 
card and misplaced passes is what he brought. Joffy - can't remember him doing 
owtRasmus - awful. St Maximus or wahtever he's called murdered him 












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Re: [LU] Newcastle thoughts

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 oh I forgot to mention our time wasting and play acting in the 2nd Half. Loved 
it ! Totally riled the Geordies. We've had so much of that shit against us in 
the last few years it was good to give some back. 
On Sunday, 1 January 2023 at 14:38:47 GMT, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
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 Considering where they are in their journey and where we are this was a great 
point for us in very difficult conditions. Every player gave 100% and we 
battled hard to get the point. 

  
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[LU] Newcastle thoughts

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Considering where they are in their journey and where we are this was a great 
point for us in very difficult conditions. Every player gave 100% and we 
battled hard to get the point. 
However, for me this is a game that 9 times out of 10 we lose 3/4/5 nil. Yes at 
times we defended heroically, we had to do, but how many unmarked black and 
white shirts were there in the box from corners, set pieces and open play. They 
had chance after chance which they either blazed over or were saved by Man of 
the Match Meslier ? 
I thought we were excellent in the first half with a new look centre midfield 
of Forshaw and Adams. A lot of people have written Forshaw off but considering 
how much time he has had out and how little football he plays , he was fit 
enough to compete and really make a difference in that first half. A much 
better option defensively than Roca. Yes he gave the ball away cheaply at times 
but then I think you can level that at all our players yesterday. We just seem 
incapable of playing a simple ball at times. It is very frustrating to watch. 
Then a half time , Forshaw went off to protect him (apparently) and on came my 
favourite Roca. Immediately, we lost control of the midfield and the game. I'm 
obviously not blaming it all on Roca but it was a significant difference. Roca 
flatters to deceive but I think there's a lot of fans who can now see past a 
decent left foot and are asking what is this guy bringing to the party ? He's 
simply not good enough to compete and play at this level and the Twitter army 
who sent me all sort of messages yesterday when I said I'd much rather go with 
Forshaw and Adams than Adams/Roca are just simply wrong. Also Forshaw will get 
fitter and better. Is he the long term answer ? No. BUT neither is Roca and we 
need another central midfield this month. 
My main complaint about the performance is our complete lack of tactics. To 
create a chance we are reliant on someone to get the ball and run and beat 2 or 
3 men and score. Gnonto gave it a go, so did Aarnson and Harrison but both 
fluffed their final shot. Rodrigo managed to get round his man and make the 
keeper save but where's the interplay, where are the attacking tactics ? We 
don't have any and we look like a team of battlers who really haven't got a 
clue. Summervilla and Gnonto might keep us up with some goals on the break but 
I really fear for us. 
Marsch looks fucked - he looks out of his depth to me. 
Wednesday is looking big and I hope we can take some positives from yesterday 
and really have a go at West Ham. 
Happy New Year 
Scores: 
Meslier - 10. Perfect performance Ayling - 6. I thought he battled well but 
looked ring rusty at times Struijk - 7. Some good tackles but then some slack 
play Cooper - 8. 100%Koch - 8 100% Forshaw - 7. Fought hard first half Adams - 
8. FOught hard for 94 minutes Harrison - 6. Out of sorts but did ok in hte 
first half Aaronson - 6. People beginning to question his end product but he's 
doing ok for me. Maybe if we had some better tactics he would look more 
effective Gnonto - 8. Got the ball and ran with it. Like the look of this lad 
Rodrigo - 7. Did ok 2nd half but ineffective first half. 
Subs:Klich - 4. Totally ineffective uRoca - 2. Totally ineffective - yellow 
card and misplaced passes is what he brought. Joffy - can't remember him doing 
owtRasmus - awful. St Maximus or wahtever he's called murdered him 












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Re: [LU] stream

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Thought all the young lads did ok however Harrison and Firpo had stinkers. 
Apart from first 15 mins we rarely threatened and looked pretty toothless. 
Another lacklustre departure from a cup competition although you could argue it 
has served a purpose.


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Hi
Any good ones anyone can share?
Thanks,
Jonathan
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Re: [LU] Bournemouth

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 fantastic result and you certainly can't deny the team spirit and yes I am 
still buzzing after yesterday and the Liverpool game. 
However, taking a step back I think there's some massive problems with Jessie's 
team and tactics. The amount of times in that first half where we tried to play 
through a crowded centre and as a result the move repeatedly broke down. To 
play that way you have to have magicians who can operate in very tight spaces. 
We have no width and you've got Harrison playing as a No 10 through the centre. 
It's madness and surely Jessie will have to learn from this. I'm expecting a 
different team to start against Spurs but will he adapt these very narrow 
tactics which don't work? 
So no surprise we were 3-1 down just after half time. Let's be honest, it 
should have been 5 or 6. Gnonto came on for Harrison (not Roca) and Bournemouth 
started to look slightly tired which opened up the game and gave us a bit of 
room to work in. Greenwood came on for the hapless Roca and almost immediately 
stuck the ball in the net with a great left foot shot. People talk about Roca's 
left foot but he's certainly not done anything like that. Greenwood for me any 
day of the week. 
The boo boys suddenly turned into cheerleaders and we were on the march. They 
crumbled under the pressure and looked out on their feet. Cooper scored from a 
corner then the goal of the season as Willy ran the length of the pitch and 
played in Jimmy for his 3rd in 3. Absolutely unbelievable. 
Scores:
Meisler - 6. One good save but looked all at sea for their first. 
Rasmus - 5. All over the place in the first half. Ayling is a better option any 
day of the week 
Struijk - 7. For me he's our best defender at the moment. 
Koch -5. His worst game this season. Really unsure in the first half although 
the system makes it difficult for the centre backs when they have the ball. 
Bielsa provided options on the wing and Philips just ahead. There's nothing for 
them in this system. 
Cooper - 6. Good goal but contributed to defensive lapses. 
Adams - 7. Great battling performance. Wasn't strong enough for their 3rd. 
Roca - 1. This guy is the modern day Mark Aizlewood. Strolls around looking the 
part but never actually does anything. The game totally passed him by again 
yesterday and the onky surprise was that Marsh left it to 50 mins before 
subbing him and not dragging him off at half time like he has done before. 
There's one thing for certain, we look a better side without him. He offers 
nothing. We've bought a dud I'm afraid. 
Harrison - 4. Out of position. 
Jimmy - 8. Scored one , made one. Looks comfortable on the ball. Will only get 
better. He's a real star. City will buy him in Jan for £60 million. 
Rodrigo - 5. One of two moments and converted the pen with ease but he isn't 
offering enough as a centre forward. 
Aaronson - 7. Worked hard as usual. 
Subs: 
Gnonto - 8 What a run, what a player Greenwood - 8. Pleased that he scored, 
Hopefully can push on but please don't ever play him in midfield with Roca like 
against Fulham. Poor lad. Joffy - not on long. 

Jessie keeps his job but he needs to have a long look at this game. 





On Sunday, 6 November 2022 at 09:44:58 GMT, Ted  
wrote:  
 
 Nice one Dave. Spot on as per.

After 50 mins I was miserable and thinking "what the hell am I doing here
(again!)

I've watched MoD twice, the full match and this morning I'm still beaming.

I'll enjoy the moment and leave questioning Marsch's tactics for another
day.

Ted H.



On Sun, 6 Nov 2022, 09:30 nattan--- via Leedslist, 
wrote:

> My wife often asks me " why do you keep going when it makes you so
> unhappy? Its daft to have a hobby that makes you miserable "Well at times
> yesterday I was agreeing with her but when  I got home I said " that's
> why,  because on days like today it is the best feeling in the world "
> Fans were certainly put through the ringer with every emotion yesterday
> but after the awful non event watching the u21s at crewe this is a game to
> savour and remember for ever.
> I had barely got in the ground when Summerville strode into the box and
> was upended- a penalty,  and though I feared the worst after Tuesdays
> penalty debacle and Bamfords miss last time  Rod did the business- 3 in 3
> for him ( still dont rate him mind you The best possible start and the one
> we had all asked for pre  match "we need to score first so they can't sit
> back" wa the general opinion.  Be careful what you wish for. After the goal
> all the failings of our personnel and worse,  the system,  became evident.
> A ball over the top and down the flank got us time after time and what
> seemed like the blink of an eye , they were 2 1 up with 2 totally unmarked
> players belting it past Meslier.  It could have been worse as a corner to
> us finished with 2 of them ahead of the chasing defenders but Meslier timed
> it brilliantly coming out of his area.  They missed another guilt edged
> chance when another forward was 

Re: [LU] Crewe

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Overall disappointing. Yes we were the better team throughout but the final 
ball on too many occasions was shocking. We ended up losing the penalty shoot 
out so came 3rd in group and do not qualify.There’s not many out there I’d be 
too excited to see in the squad on Saturday. I thought Klich was the liveliest 
whereas Firpo and Geldhardt both disappointed. 


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On Tuesday, November 1, 2022, 8:07 pm, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
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Cagey first half. Crewe have offered nothing, absolutely nothing. 
We've got a strong team out - Firpo, Gnonto, Klich, Perkins, Geldhardt, Hjelde 
Started slowly but have warmed to the task and Klich has been our best player. 
Gyabi had a great shot tipped on to the bar and Gnonto has shown bits and 
pieces. 
We look good at times but feel we can do better. 
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[LU] Crewe

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Cagey first half. Crewe have offered nothing, absolutely nothing. 
We've got a strong team out - Firpo, Gnonto, Klich, Perkins, Geldhardt, Hjelde 
Started slowly but have warmed to the task and Klich has been our best player. 
Gyabi had a great shot tipped on to the bar and Gnonto has shown bits and 
pieces. 
We look good at times but feel we can do better. 
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 Is it on LUTV Dave ? 
On Tuesday, 1 November 2022 at 10:43:58 GMT, nattan--- via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 Looking forward to trip to crewe tonight.
Hope to see Josep , Perkins, Gyabi , plus hopefully Joffy and Greenwood ( if 
not banned  ) also Drammah
A win gets us through, a draw and it goes to pens,  with winner getting another 
point ( which would put us on same points as Tranmere- so other rules ie GD, 
goals scored,  head to head come into effect) I think if read it correctly that 
any score draw plus penalty shoot out win gets us through 2-2 or higher via 
goals scored,  1-1 via head to head,  0-0 though  and Tranmere go through on 
goals scored 
Lets hope for a win or lots of goals and a winning penalty shoot out for most 
fun

Dave 
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Re: [LU] Fulham

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I missed Roca’s score 
3 - fucking shit 


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On Sunday, October 23, 2022, 7:50 pm, Michael Benjamin  wrote:

The tactics are appalling; he is playing to weaknesses and not strengths. The 
very idea is bloody stupid -- you do not lower your chances by funnelling your 
attack through the middle. You funnel the opponents' defence, too-- making 
their life easier. 
Bielsa had swarming tactics based on mobility -- this twerp does the opposite. 
I never saw players run out of puff; they always do it with an 'undertraining' 
wannabe. 
Bielsa knew who his best men were and 'allowed' bad games. With Wild Bill 
Hicock, they get binned in a flash of an eye. 
With Bielsa, the defence was muddled because of his one-on-one marking. It was 
easily outthought, and we needed an answer. Sacking him and changing the system 
was not the answer. JM was supposed to add to Bielsa by solving the defence. 
He has not solved the defence, wholly fucked up Bielsa's basic attacking 
methods with an idiot version of oversimplification ad absurdum. 
No one has a clue who is doing what, where and when. And if anyone does, then 
it immediately changes. In short, chaos with a load of buys that we will have 
to sell at a loss.
Not only will we go down with this charlatan, but we will not come up again-- 
there is no way his lunacy will do better in any league.  
Get rid ASAP



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Really poor today. Tactics again failing us. Everything is played though the 
middle and has to be 100% accurate or the move breaks down. Harrison is playing 
centrally and we know if anything his best work is down the wings. We started 
positively and came out of the blocks fast but that was just initial energy and 
as soon as that ran out Fulham took control. Fulham are no world beaters but 
they gave some really decent players and look like a team. We don’t. In 
Mitrovic they have a big cheating lump up front but he knows where the net is 
and he isn’t going to refuse the gift we gave him at the near post.Jessie 
decided to go with Greenwood and Roca in central midfield. I’m assuming Adams 
was injured. That midfield wouldn’t stand up against Harrogate Town never mind 
premier league opposition. We were totally overrun by Fulham in midfield. Our 
goal was a bit of a fluke as a deflected shot ended up on Rodrigo’s head 3 
yards out.They scored from a corner and then could have got more as Fulham gad 
a breakaway one on one chance to take the lead. Good safe from Meslier.
Second half we came out strong and were the better team for 29 mins without 
really threatening. Bamford and Jimmy came in and Bamford missed his chance 
again. I think Really poor today. Tactics again failing us. Everything is 
played though the middle and has to be 100% accurate or the move breaks down. 
Harrison is playing centrally and we know if anything his best work is down the 
wings. We started positively and came out of the blocks fast but that was just 
energy and as soon as that ran out Fulham took control. Fulham are no world 
beaters but they gave some really decent players and look like a team. We 
don’t. In Mitrovic they have a big cheating lump up front but he knows where 
the net is and he isn’t going to refuse the gift we gave him at the near 
post.Jessie decided to go with Greenwood and Roca in central midfield. I’m 
assuming Adams was injured. That midfield wouldn’t stand up against Harrogate 
Town never mind premier league opposition. We were totally overrun by Fulham in 
midfield. Our goal was a bit of a fluke as a deflected shot ended up on 
Rodrigo’s head 3 yards out.They scored from a corner and then could have got 
more as Fulham gad a breakaway one on one chance to take the lead. Good safe 
from Meslier.
Second half we came out strong and were the better team for 20 mins without 
really threatening. Bamford and Jimmy came on and Bamford missed his chance 
again. I think he will be on 99 goals for the rest of his life. Fulham then 
dominated and got their two goals  to seal the win. Jimmy got a consolation 
late on and I’m glad he did cos he looked sharp and there’s no doubt this lad 
has got something, I’m just not sure Jessie is the manager to get it out of him.
Overall, very disappointing.
Scores:
Meslier - 6 decent 1on 1 saveAyling - 6 I thought he looked good but Ivyhink he 
was marking Mitrovic.Struijk - 6 Coooer - 6Koch - 6Greenwood -3. Severely out 
of his depthRoca - 5. What is this guy offering ? Yes he’s got a  nice left 
foot but he has no presence and just doesn’t offer enough. Makes Philips look

Re: [LU] Fulham

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Bit of a pissed effort that report - I. Blame the Jaipur in the Bankers cat


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Really poor today. Tactics again failing us. Everything is played though the 
middle and has to be 100% accurate or the move breaks down. Harrison is playing 
centrally and we know if anything his best work is down the wings. We started 
positively and came out of the blocks fast but that was just initial energy and 
as soon as that ran out Fulham took control. Fulham are no world beaters but 
they gave some really decent players and look like a team. We don’t. In 
Mitrovic they have a big cheating lump up front but he knows where the net is 
and he isn’t going to refuse the gift we gave him at the near post.Jessie 
decided to go with Greenwood and Roca in central midfield. I’m assuming Adams 
was injured. That midfield wouldn’t stand up against Harrogate Town never mind 
premier league opposition. We were totally overrun by Fulham in midfield. Our 
goal was a bit of a fluke as a deflected shot ended up on Rodrigo’s head 3 
yards out.They scored from a corner and then could have got more as Fulham gad 
a breakaway one on one chance to take the lead. Good safe from Meslier.
Second half we came out strong and were the better team for 29 mins without 
really threatening. Bamford and Jimmy came in and Bamford missed his chance 
again. I think Really poor today. Tactics again failing us. Everything is 
played though the middle and has to be 100% accurate or the move breaks down. 
Harrison is playing centrally and we know if anything his best work is down the 
wings. We started positively and came out of the blocks fast but that was just 
energy and as soon as that ran out Fulham took control. Fulham are no world 
beaters but they gave some really decent players and look like a team. We 
don’t. In Mitrovic they have a big cheating lump up front but he knows where 
the net is and he isn’t going to refuse the gift we gave him at the near 
post.Jessie decided to go with Greenwood and Roca in central midfield. I’m 
assuming Adams was injured. That midfield wouldn’t stand up against Harrogate 
Town never mind premier league opposition. We were totally overrun by Fulham in 
midfield. Our goal was a bit of a fluke as a deflected shot ended up on 
Rodrigo’s head 3 yards out.They scored from a corner and then could have got 
more as Fulham gad a breakaway one on one chance to take the lead. Good safe 
from Meslier.
Second half we came out strong and were the better team for 20 mins without 
really threatening. Bamford and Jimmy came on and Bamford missed his chance 
again. I think he will be on 99 goals for the rest of his life. Fulham then 
dominated and got their two goals  to seal the win. Jimmy got a consolation 
late on and I’m glad he did cos he looked sharp and there’s no doubt this lad 
has got something, I’m just not sure Jessie is the manager to get it out of him.
Overall, very disappointing.
Scores: 
Meslier - 6 decent 1on 1 saveAyling - 6 I thought he looked good but Ivyhink he 
was marking Mitrovic.Struijk - 6 Coooer - 6Koch - 6Greenwood -3. Severely out 
of his depthRoca - 5. What is this guy offering ? Yes he’s got a  nice left 
foot but he has no presence and just doesn’t offer enough. Makes Philips look 
dynamic.Harrison - 5. Struggling in this formation.Rodrigo - 5 frustrating as 
ever Sinistera-6. Lively first half without threatening.
Subs Bamford - missed chanceKlich - bitsJoffy - no opportunity 
What happened in the  cheese wedge ? Looked like a medical emergency but why 
does the game have to stop ? Every medical incident these days seems to result 
in the game being stopped ? The fans were going mad.
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[LU] Fulham

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Really poor today. Tactics again failing us. Everything is played though the 
middle and has to be 100% accurate or the move breaks down. Harrison is playing 
centrally and we know if anything his best work is down the wings. We started 
positively and came out of the blocks fast but that was just initial energy and 
as soon as that ran out Fulham took control. Fulham are no world beaters but 
they gave some really decent players and look like a team. We don’t. In 
Mitrovic they have a big cheating lump up front but he knows where the net is 
and he isn’t going to refuse the gift we gave him at the near post.Jessie 
decided to go with Greenwood and Roca in central midfield. I’m assuming Adams 
was injured. That midfield wouldn’t stand up against Harrogate Town never mind 
premier league opposition. We were totally overrun by Fulham in midfield. Our 
goal was a bit of a fluke as a deflected shot ended up on Rodrigo’s head 3 
yards out.They scored from a corner and then could have got more as Fulham gad 
a breakaway one on one chance to take the lead. Good safe from Meslier.
Second half we came out strong and were the better team for 29 mins without 
really threatening. Bamford and Jimmy came in and Bamford missed his chance 
again. I think Really poor today. Tactics again failing us. Everything is 
played though the middle and has to be 100% accurate or the move breaks down. 
Harrison is playing centrally and we know if anything his best work is down the 
wings. We started positively and came out of the blocks fast but that was just 
energy and as soon as that ran out Fulham took control. Fulham are no world 
beaters but they gave some really decent players and look like a team. We 
don’t. In Mitrovic they have a big cheating lump up front but he knows where 
the net is and he isn’t going to refuse the gift we gave him at the near 
post.Jessie decided to go with Greenwood and Roca in central midfield. I’m 
assuming Adams was injured. That midfield wouldn’t stand up against Harrogate 
Town never mind premier league opposition. We were totally overrun by Fulham in 
midfield. Our goal was a bit of a fluke as a deflected shot ended up on 
Rodrigo’s head 3 yards out.They scored from a corner and then could have got 
more as Fulham gad a breakaway one on one chance to take the lead. Good safe 
from Meslier.
Second half we came out strong and were the better team for 20 mins without 
really threatening. Bamford and Jimmy came on and Bamford missed his chance 
again. I think he will be on 99 goals for the rest of his life. Fulham then 
dominated and got their two goals  to seal the win. Jimmy got a consolation 
late on and I’m glad he did cos he looked sharp and there’s no doubt this lad 
has got something, I’m just not sure Jessie is the manager to get it out of him.
Overall, very disappointing.
Scores: 
Meslier - 6 decent 1on 1 saveAyling - 6 I thought he looked good but Ivyhink he 
was marking Mitrovic.Struijk - 6 Coooer - 6Koch - 6Greenwood -3. Severely out 
of his depthRoca - 5. What is this guy offering ? Yes he’s got a  nice left 
foot but he has no presence and just doesn’t offer enough. Makes Philips look 
dynamic.Harrison - 5. Struggling in this formation.Rodrigo - 5 frustrating as 
ever Sinistera-6. Lively first half without threatening.
Subs Bamford - missed chanceKlich - bitsJoffy - no opportunity 
What happened in the  cheese wedge ? Looked like a medical emergency but why 
does the game have to stop ? Every medical incident these days seems to result 
in the game being stopped ? The fans were going mad.
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Re: [LU] Last 7 games

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 I think you've hit the nail on the head there Simon. Even losing with Bielsa 
was at times decent to watch. We have no plan with Marsh. 
On Friday, 21 October 2022 at 10:54:40 BST, Simon McNally via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 I think the other issue facing Marsch is that the quality of football has been 
so poor. At least under Bielsa the matches were exciting even if we didn’t win 
but the majority of games this season have been dire.
It’s hard to see a massive improvement though until Radz and co stick their 
hands in their pockets a bit more.
Not signing a left back or a striker with experience is looking a worse 
decision by the week and we look short in midfield too if we get any injuries.
I’m also not sure how you’d look at a defence that conceded so many goals last 
year and think you could get away without signing a new centre back either.

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Bielsa’s last 7 games in charge = WLD (4 points)

Marsch’s last 7 games in charge = LDLDLLL (2 points)

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