[LUTE] Re: Brazilian duet a la Dowland

[wolfgang wiehe]

wowo! wow!
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> Datum: 22 Oct 2009 07:48 GMT
> Von: "Mathias Rösel" 
> An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Brazilian duet a la Dowland

> "Daniel F Heiman"  schrieb:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcsSPzr7ays
> 
> WOW!!!
> -- 
> Best,
> 
> Mathias
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles

[wolfgang wiehe]

between more lute manuscripts are online:

# munich mus. ms. 266 (with marco fascicle)
http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00031681/images/

# munich mus. ms. 267
http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00032067/images/

# munich mus. ms. 1512
http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00031633/images/

# munich mus. ms. 272
http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00031731/images/
it seems to be something wrong with this last digitalisat, go to 
"miniaturansicht" and than backwards.

greetings
wolfgang




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> Datum: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:19:49 +0900
> Von: "T.Kakinami" 
> An: "T.Kakinami" , lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Betreff: [LUTE] Facsimiles

> Facsimiles from Diditale Bibliothek, Munchener DigitalisierungsZentrum are
> introduced.
> Links for URL are attached.
> Please enjoy.
> 
> http://kakitoshilute.blogspot.com/2009/10/diditale-bibliothek-munchener.html
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles

[wolfgang wiehe]

now here is the pdf-solution:
use this links
http://mdz10.bib-bvb.de/zend-bsb/pdf_download.pl?id=00031681&nr=1
http://mdz10.bib-bvb.de/zend-bsb/pdf_download.pl?id=00032067&nr=1
http://mdz10.bib-bvb.de/zend-bsb/pdf_download.pl?id=00031731&nr=1
http://mdz10.bib-bvb.de/zend-bsb/pdf_download.pl?id=00031633&nr=1
greetings
wolfgang
p.s. I think they forgotten the pdf-button



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> Datum: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:50:01 +0100
> Von: "Spring, aus dem, Rainer" 
> An: wolfgang wiehe , "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" 
> 
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Facsimiles

> Any idea how to download as pdf?
> 
> When you right-click on a picture it says you should use the pdf download
> which I cant find...
> 
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Rainer aus dem Spring
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> Behalf Of wolfgang wiehe
> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 3:54 PM
> To: T.Kakinami; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Facsimiles
> 
> between more lute manuscripts are online:
> 
> # munich mus. ms. 266 (with marco fascicle)
> http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00031681/images/
> 
> # munich mus. ms. 267
> http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00032067/images/
> 
> # munich mus. ms. 1512
> http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00031633/images/
> 
> # munich mus. ms. 272
> http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00031731/images/
> it seems to be something wrong with this last digitalisat, go to
> "miniaturansicht" and than backwards.
> 
> greetings
> wolfgang
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  Original-Nachricht 
> > Datum: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:19:49 +0900
> > Von: "T.Kakinami" 
> > An: "T.Kakinami" , lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> > Betreff: [LUTE] Facsimiles
> 
> > Facsimiles from Diditale Bibliothek, Munchener DigitalisierungsZentrum
> > are introduced.
> > Links for URL are attached.
> > Please enjoy.
> >
> > http://kakitoshilute.blogspot.com/2009/10/diditale-bibliothek-munchene
> > r.html
> >
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[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles

[wolfgang wiehe]

yes, the munich BSB is a treasure house. but the quality of the 267 digitalisat 
is poor.
# (How did you find out how to do it?)
I tried a pdf-download with the bakfark-print, there is a pdf-button and looked 
at the url-structure for a moment... :-)
w.

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> Datum: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:38:10 +0100
> Von: "G. Crona" 
> An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Facsimiles

> Great!
> 
> Thanks a *LOT* Wolfgang! :) (How did you find out how to do it?)
> 
> The BSB is proving to be quite a treasure trove for us lute aficionados!
> 
> If only Paris and London would follow suite...
> 
> G.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "wolfgang wiehe" 
> To: "Spring, aus dem, Rainer" ; 
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 2:06 PM
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Facsimiles
> 
> 
> > now here is the pdf-solution:
> > use this links
> > http://mdz10.bib-bvb.de/zend-bsb/pdf_download.pl?id=00031681&nr=1
> > http://mdz10.bib-bvb.de/zend-bsb/pdf_download.pl?id=00032067&nr=1
> > http://mdz10.bib-bvb.de/zend-bsb/pdf_download.pl?id=00031731&nr=1
> > http://mdz10.bib-bvb.de/zend-bsb/pdf_download.pl?id=00031633&nr=1
> > greetings
> > wolfgang
> > p.s. I think they forgotten the pdf-button
> >
> >
> >
> >  Original-Nachricht 
> >> Datum: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:50:01 +0100
> >> Von: "Spring, aus dem, Rainer" 
> >> An: wolfgang wiehe , "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" 
> >> 
> >> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Facsimiles
> >
> >> Any idea how to download as pdf?
> >>
> >> When you right-click on a picture it says you should use the pdf
> download
> >> which I cant find...
> >>
> >>
> >> Best wishes,
> >>
> >> Rainer aus dem Spring 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: judenkünig facsimile online

[wolfgang wiehe]

another facsimile is now online!

http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0004/bsb00043257/images/

greetings
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[LUTE] Re: Virdung

[wolfgang wiehe]

thanks!
the digital lute collection grows!
wonderful!
w.
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> Datum: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 15:00:24 +0100
> Von: "Spring, aus dem, Rainer" 
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> Betreff: [LUTE] Virdung

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[LUTE] Le Roy: branle...moy pitie

[wolfgang wiehe]

hello,
not directly lute-related. werner sent me a copy of leroy: "branle simple. 
n´aurez vous point de moy pitie". a very, very nice branle. brown gives in his 
bibliography under 1551/3 the second part: "le branle precedent plus diminue". 
has someone a copy for me of this part?
thanks
wolfgang and his "renaissance-uke"



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[LUTE] Re: Double headed lute pic?

[wolfgang wiehe]

This lute is present in other pictures of van mieris:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/Brothel_Scene_1658_Fr
ans_van_Mieris.jpg
Or here?:
http://www.nga.gov/press/exh/228/assets/228-012-lrg.jpg
http://images.artnet.com/images_US/magazine/reviews/karlins/karlins3-16-
9.jpg
W.


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Auftrag von "Mathias Rösel"
Gesendet: Sonntag, 22. November 2009 18:00
An: Lute Net
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Double headed lute pic?


Thank you, Morgan, this is marvelous. Never mind the explanation of the
double headed lute, but I've never before heard someone explain the art
of painting in such a physical way.

Mathias

"morgan cornwall"  schrieb:
> Stuart,
> 
> this may help:
> 
> Van Mieris - Self Portrait from the Uffizi Gallery
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FdSIys2XfI
> 
> regards,
> morgan
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Stuart Walsh" 
> To: "Lute Net" 
> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 4:37 PM
> Subject: [LUTE] Double headed lute pic?
> 
> 
> >I came across this image recently - possibly a chap playing a
> > double-headed lute. So (?) Dutch or English?  Perhaps it's from a 
> > well-known painting? I only had a camera phone and it was shot at an

> > angle to avoid the flash glaring against the glass. I've cropped the

> > writing underneath- but you can't see it clearly anyway - it says 
> > something like 'micris' with some kind of diacritical twiddle over
the 
> > letter c (if it is a c).
> > 
> > http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/dhlute.jpg
> > 
> > 
> > Stuart



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[LUTE] Re: New recording by Lislevand

[wolfgang wiehe]

I agree, andreas.
For me his "vestiva i colli" version is really awfully. In contrast
arianna savall´s interpretation of "vestiva i colli" on the cd "vergine
bella" with il desidrerio is much better.
Greetings
Wolfgang


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Gesendet: Sonntag, 13. Dezember 2009 19:13
An: Edward Martin
Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: New recording by Lislevand


I must confess, three quarters of the recording are for my ears Kitsch, 
especially the Capirola & Mudarra with their whispering accompaniment. 
Naturally Lislevands playing  and tone are superb. But I dislike the 
enlargement or magnification or blow-up of our old decent lutepices.

Andreas
> There is a new CD by Rolf Lislevand&  his group:
>
> Diminuito
> ECN New Series B0013355-02
>
> There are many similarities with his Nuove Musiche recording... same 
> group, same label, but a different theme.  This theme is the Italian 
> renaissance, and it contains works of Capirola, Francesco, Dalza, 
> Terzi, Ortiz, Mudarra, among others.
>
> As expected, the performance is first rate, with fabulous musicality, 
> creativity, ingenuity and thought.  It is a great listening 
> experience, to those who admire Lislevand's work.  Count me as one of 
> them.
>
> it is available from most musical outlets, such as Amazon 
> http://www.amazon.com/Diminuito-Rolf-Lislevand/dp/B002JVHEGG/ref=sr_1_
> 1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1259692768&sr=1-1
>
> ed
>
>
>
>
>
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[LUTE] Re: Liuto forte

[wolfgang wiehe]

I heard a "liuto forte" this year at our DLG meeting on "Burg
Sternberg". Hmm, not louder than my g-lute...;-)
Greetings
W.

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An: r.turov...@verizon.net; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte


OR suitable for a guitarist who is NOT sick of the guitar repertoire!
.. and is happy with finger nails.


Roman, Did you go to the the demonstration of the liuto forte hat
occurred at the Met Museum a year or 3 ago?


I missed it.


Mark Delpriora



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From: Roman Turovsky 
To: Lutelist 
Sent: Sat, Dec 19, 2009 11:51 am
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte


It is a single-strung lute and guitar hybrid designed by Andre Burguete,
that aproximates lute sound while purporting to have the volume of the
guitar. It uses nylon overspun with fine steel wire, and has some
interesting and useful peculiarities in the bridge and soundboard
construction. 
Fixed metal frets are supposedly less dampening to the sound
(negligibly). 
This technology might yield a nice and loud theorbo in ET. 
But one really misses the overtone palette of double strings. 
It is a very suitable instrument for a guitarist who is sick of the
guitar repertoire, but is unwilling to part with his nails. 
 
http://www.liuto-forte.com/ 
There are a number of notable converts to it: Oliver Holzenburg, Luciano
Contini et al. 
RT 
 
- Original Message - From: "Daniel Winheld"
 
To:  
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 11:31 AM 
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Liuto forte 
 
> Alright,  I'll bite- What in God's name is Liuto Forte? (I must have
> been out of the office for this one) 
> thanks,  Dan 
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[LUTE] Re: [LUTE]

[wolfgang wiehe]

hi ron,
I´ll hope you share the combinied tab with us
 I found the passamezzo here:
http://www.gerbode.net/ft2/composers/LeRoy/1568_fantaisies_et_dances/pdf/03a_passemeze.pdf
and the mensural part there:
http://arenai.free.fr/Database/Facsimile/Charda1.pdf
but I am lazy!
greetings
w.

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> Datum: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:11:25 +
> Von: Ron Andrico 
> An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Betreff: [LUTE] [LUTE]

>To All:
>After spending insane hours dedicated to house-building in a mad
>attempt to beat the snow and frozen ground, and the usual spate of
>December gigs, we took the time to make a new video.
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oT4PLrF0utc
>This is a performance of Mignonne allons voir si la rose from the
>poetry of Pierre Ronsard, also recorded on our CD Divine Amarillis.
>The original is found only as a single melody line in Jehan
>Chardavoine's _Recueil de chansons en forme de voix de ville_ (1576).
>The engaging melody has often been performed with a drone, unison
>doubling or simple arpeggio accompaniment.  In searching for a more
>interesting mode of performance, we looked to contemporary settings of
>Ronsard's poetry, and in particular, settings by Adrian Le Roy.
>We discovered that the tune works with only minor adjustments to Le
>Roy's Passemeze harmonization and, since LeRoy set several other poems
>by Ronsard in a similar manner, we feel our setting is historically
>justifiable.
>Happy Christmas to all.
>Ron & Donna
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[LUTE] Re: Polish Dance.

[wolfgang wiehe]

Did you check this? 
http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00033916/images//
W.

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by Waissel on there, but i can't figure which one it is. As it is a
short piece i am keen to learn it and play it from memory.
 
Which one is it?  

A happy New Year & New Decade

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checked 
Serge's website and there are 16 Polish Dances by Waissel on
there, 
but i can't figure which one it is. As it is a short piece i
am keen 
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Which one is it? 
 
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[LUTE] Re: Looking for ...

[wolfgang wiehe]

Thanks Val for sharing the "facsimile". I found this:
http://www.earlygaelicharp.info/sources/straloch.htm
greetings
wolfgang
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> Datum: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:54:03 +0100
> Von: "Valéry Sauvage" 
> An: "\'Stephen Fryer\'" , "\'Eugene C. Braig IV\'" 
> 
> CC: "\'Lute Net\'" 
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Looking for ...

> Here is a link to a pdf of the Straloch (a copy was given to me by a
> lutenist in 1985... so as it is not published, enjoy !)
> http://www.mediafire.com/?mzjndtjq2yj
> About differences of the piece we were talking about, look for "A daunce"
> page 16, other version of the same tune.
> Valéry
> 
> -Message d'origine-
> De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la
> part
> de Stephen Fryer
> Envoyé : mardi 5 janvier 2010 01:27
> À : Eugene C. Braig IV
> Cc : 'Lute Net'
> Objet : [LUTE] Re: Looking for ...
> 
> 
> Eugene C. Braig IV wrote:
> > I'm not certain, but I believe it is contained in this publication:
> > http://openlibrary.org/b/OL11085910M/Mel_Bay_Scottish_Lute
> > 
> > I can check my own copy when home.
> 
> Thanks Eugene.  Last time I'd looked (a couple of years ago after taking 
> Ronn's class on Scottish Lute) it was out of print and I couldn't find a 
> copy.  I looks like it is available again so I'll get a copy (I already 
> have volume 2).  Not only that but you can preview it at Amazon.com.
> 
> Interestingly there seem to be some differences (besides Ronn's 
> variations) between this publication and what Valérie sent.
> 
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[LUTE] paladin facsimile online!

[wolfgang wiehe]

http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0004/bsb00045521/images/

 Paladino, Giovanni P.: TABVLATVRE DE LVTZ En diuerses Sortes. COMME Chansons. 
Pauanes. Fantaisies. Gaillardes. ET LA BATAILLE Le tout Compose Par M. Iean 
Paulo Paladin Milanoys Lyon (4 Mus.pr. 158)  

greetings
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[LUTE] Re: Switching between gut strings and synthetics?

[wolfgang wiehe]

especially for the vegetarians, vegans and those with wet finger tips.
w.

 Original-Nachricht 
> Datum: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:22:48 -0800 (PST)
> Von: chriswi...@yahoo.com
> An: David Tayler , Monica Hall 
> CC: Lutelist 
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Switching between gut strings and synthetics?

> Gut strings must have been fantastic.  Isn't it a pity none survived so
> that no one will never know how they actually sounded?  Lucky we have these
> nice synthetics...
> 
> Chris
> 
> --- On Thu, 1/28/10, Monica Hall  wrote:
> 
> > From: Monica Hall 
> > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Switching between gut strings and synthetics?
> > To: "David Tayler" 
> > Cc: "Lutelist" 
> > Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 8:13 AM
> > I wholeheartedly
> > agree.   The same is true for the baroque
> > guitar.   Away 
> > with all these synthetics.
> > 
> > Monica
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "David Tayler" 
> > To: "lute-cs.dartmouth.edu" 
> > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:00 AM
> > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Switching between gut strings and
> > synthetics?
> > 
> > 
> > > It don't mean a thing
> > > If it ain't got gut strings.
> > > dt
> > >
> > >
> > > At 12:52 PM 1/26/2010, you wrote:
> > >>Dear lutenists,
> > >>
> > >>the difference of touch between those two approachs
> > of stringing seems to
> > >>be a tricky business! I had (still have!;-)
> > problems after years of
> > >>synthetics in starting with gut strings, but after
> > getting some 
> > >>preliminary
> > >>touch to gut strings, playing the synthetics with
> > acceptable sound feels
> > >>even more difficult than the move from synthetics
> > to gut!
> > >>
> > >>Any advice? Any advice other than "stay in
> > gut/synthetics"?
> > >>
> > >>Arto
> > >>
> > >>PS A little similiar problem arises, when you
> > switch between single string
> > >>theorbo and double course lute...
> > >>
> > >>PS2 recent example tries of those two
> > >>    gut: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgPisQNbeZc
> > >>    synth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CwKBSjljnc
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>To get on or off this list see list information at
> > >>http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> > >
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
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[LUTE] frottola

[wolfgang wiehe]

what a contrast!
"Io non compro più speranza"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx5GFW5lJg0
http://video.libero.it/app/play?id=f2d31fbf4ef48f5f7a9e76cc695fd75c



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[LUTE] Re: Dalza question.

[wolfgang wiehe]

transcriptions from some early german lute mansucripts are available from
lyremusic.com
including the "blindhamer" manuscript
greetings
w.
###
The Art of the Lute in Renaissance Germany
Volume 1: Early Manuscripts
A collection of four articles on Renaissance German lute
music found in early German tablature manuscripts by
four different authors: John H. Robinson’s article examines
the music of Maximilian’s court organist, Paul Hofhaimer
found in early German lute sources; Denys Stephens reviews
music from the German tablature section of Wroclaw
352; Wolfgang Wiehe has transcribed some very interesting
music from Ms. 272 including Josquin’s Preter rerum
seriam; and Dick Hoban’s article examines the similarities
between two manuscripts from the 1520’s, the so called
“Adolf Blindhamer” manuscript and an obscure manuscript
now in Krakow Poland. All pieces are in French tablature
and have been transcribed from the original German tablature
manuscript sources for this publication. The book has
over 200 pages of text and music.
$35.00 plus $10.00 US postage or
$21.00 international postage
d.ho...@tcu.edu
#
 Original-Nachricht 
> Datum: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 10:54:02 +0100
> Von: "R. Mattes" 
> An: Peter Martin , Lute list 
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Dalza question.

> On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 09:49:37 +0100, Peter Martin wrote
> > A handsome facsimile of the Pesaro manuscript can be yours for a mere
> >180 euros, plus postage and packing of course.
> 
> Don't be so sarcastic. This is a high-quality full color facsimile and
> also contains (bw) facsimiles of the Kassel Fragment, the "rediscovered"
> Blindhammer Manuscript (Wertheim) and the Freiburg i.Ue. Fascicle as well
> as
> some minor sources. 
> For Pesaro there's also Vladimir Ivanoff ('Das Pesaro-Manuskript
> ein Beitrag zur Frühgeschichte der Lautentabulatur').
> 
>  HTH Ralf Mattes
> 
> >[1]http://www.amadeusmusic.ch/index.php
> > 
> >(search for Pesaro)
> > 
> >P
> >On 4 March 2010 04:47, Daniel F Heiman <[2]heiman.dan...@juno.com>
> >wrote:
> > 
> >  The two most important manuscript sources known to survive from 
> > the pre-print era are known as Pesaro and Thibault. May I 
> > suggest that you purchase "A History of the Lute" from the LSA?
> >  (See the website for details.) Spring is also good, but he 
> > focuses pretty closely on the British Isles. Daniel Heiman
> > 
> >On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 17:24:25 -0500 "Christopher Stetson"
> ><[3]cstet...@smith.edu> writes:
> >>Hi,
> >>
> >>Thanks to all for great answers to my calata question and a good
> >>ensuing discussion.  It leads me to another question, that came
> >> up as I
> >>was lying in bed thinking about my upcoming program, to whit:
> >> are
> >>there any significant manuscript sources of lute tablature that
> >> predate
> >>the first printed books?
> >>
> >>Thanks again,
> >>
> >>Chris.
> >>
> >>--
> >>
> > 
> >--
> > 
> > References
> > 
> >Visible links
> >1. http://www.amadeusmusic.ch/index.php
> >2. mailto:heiman.dan...@juno.com
> >3. mailto:cstet...@smith.edu
> > 
> >Hidden links:
> >4. http://www.amadeusmusic.ch/index.php
> > 
> > To get on or off this list see list information at
> > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> 
> 
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> Hochschule fuer Musik Freiburg
> r...@inm.mh-freiburg.de
> 

[LUTE] Re: tempos in Francesco Fantasias

[wolfgang wiehe]

Try to sing the lines! Than perhaps you feel the right tempo!
W.

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im
Auftrag von Sauvage Valéry
Gesendet: Freitag, 12. März 2010 19:00
An: Lute List; Suzanne Angevine
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: tempos in Francesco Fantasias


The only thing I have in mind when I play a fantasia is my own
fantasy... No 
rules for tempo for such pieces (apart a few based on vocal models,
where 
you can follow the original song tempo)
My 2 cts...
Val

- Original Message - 
From: "Suzanne Angevine" 
To: "Lute List" 
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 6:26 PM
Subject: [LUTE] tempos in Francesco Fantasias


>
> Yesterday I got out a Francesco Fantasia I hadn't played in awhile.  
> Its
> one of the easier ones, since  I'm not that advanced a player.  But I 
> thoroughly enjoyed playing it - the counterpoint, the expressiveness
of 
> it.  Later in the day I listened to a CD of a big name player doing 
> Francesco pieces.  What struck me most was the utter contrast between
what 
> I had enjoyed about playing the music, and what I heard.  Not just on
the 
> same Fantasia, but almost the entire CD was BRIGHT, and very PERKY 
> sounding.  In thinking about it, I felt that this effect was due
almost 
> entirely to the fast tempos chosen.  Now this player has exceptional 
> technique, and can play fast and cleanly.  And it is to be admitted
that 
> the CD is rather old, and may no longer represent the player's point
of 
> view on Francesco exactly.  But it got me thinking about tempos.
Someone 
> on this list recently commented that folks generally try to play too
fast. 
> Is there some actual musicological evidence somewhere that says what 
> tempos should be used?  Or do moderns just play fast because we live
in a 
> fast paced world, and playing well fast shows off our skill?  A
moderate 
> tempo on the Fantasia in question allows some time and space for 
> expression of the music to bloom, but a fast, perky tempo just makes
it 
> sound like pyrotechnic display, not what would earn a player the name
of 
> "il divino".  So, any musicological evidence for proper tempos in 
> Francesco's music?
>
> Suzanne
>
>
>
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[LUTE] melchior newsidler facsimile

[wolfgang wiehe]

is online:
http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0004/bsb00047078/images/
greetings
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[LUTE] judenkunig 1523 facsimile

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and here a next digitalisat:
http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0004/bsb00043293/images/
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[LUTE] Re: judenkunig 1523 facsimile

[wolfgang wiehe]

the other, latin judenkunig is online, too (if i remember right I posted this 
some month ago):
http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0004/bsb00043257/images/
 Original-Nachricht 
> Datum: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:50:03 +
> Von: Andrew Gibbs 
> An: Lutelist list 
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: judenkunig 1523 facsimile

> Thanks Wolfgang - this is beautiful. I've always liked the  
> illustration on page 3 - does anyone know if the lute player is a  
> portrait of Hans Judenkünig? Really like the hand diagrams as well.
> 
> Andrew
> 
> On 22 Mar 2010, at 13:20, wolfgang wiehe wrote:
> 
> > and here a next digitalisat:
> > http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0004/bsb00043293/images/
> > w.
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Binchois - Jamais tant

[wolfgang wiehe]

there is a facsimie of this codex 
see 
http://www.amazon.ca/Oxford-Bodleian-Library-Canon-Misc/dp/0226237060
perhaps you can get it via library exchange.
greetings

 Original-Nachricht 
> Datum: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:47:23 +0200
> Von: Giuliano Lucini 
> An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Betreff: [LUTE] Binchois - Jamais tant

> Dear list,
> does anybody knows where I can find the score of the Binchois "Jamais 
> tant que je vous revoye"?
> I found an arranged version for lute by Trystero Montevideo 
> (http://medievallute.info/pdf/jamais_tant.pdf) but I'm interested in the 
> separate parts. I see it comes from the Oxford Bodleian Library, Can. 
> Misc. 213.
> Thanks in advance.
> Regards,
> Giuliano Lucini
> 
> 
> 
> wolfgang wiehe ha scritto:
> > hello,
> > i just noticed, that the famous wolfenbuettel chansonnier is online as a
> digital facsimile:
> > http://diglib.hab.de/mss/287-extrav/start.htm
> > perhaps some of us like and play robert mortons "le souvenir" in the
> intabulation of trystero montevideo.
> > http://medievallute.info/pdf/
> > you can find the original on page 00110 and 00111, and perhaps you are
> able to read it :-)
> > greetings from germany
> > wolfgang
> >
> >
> >
> > To get on or off this list see list information at
> > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> >
> >
> >   
> 
> 

[LUTE] marco dall´aquila

[wolfgang wiehe]

hello,
someone knows this edition? is it really printed? and available?

Marco dall'Aquila: Lute Works, edited by Paul O' Dette and Maurizio Pratola, 
LIM - Libreria Musicale Italiana, Lucca 2008. 
2009?

greetings
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[LUTE] Re: [LUTE] marco dall´aquila

[wolfgang wiehe]

sorry,
i just found this:
http://www.lim.it/Catalogo_2010.pdf
page 9
##
DALL’AQUILA, MARCO. L’opera per liuto. Edizione critica. (Fonti di
Storia Musicale Abruzzese, 1). Disponibile anche in tiratura a fascicoli
separati (intavolatura e notazione moderna) per interpreti.
IN PREPARAZIONE
##



 Original-Nachricht 
> Datum: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:27:28 +0200
> Von: "wolfgang wiehe" 
> An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Betreff: [LUTE] marco dall´aquila

> hello,
> someone knows this edition? is it really printed? and available?
> 
> Marco dall'Aquila: Lute Works, edited by Paul O' Dette and Maurizio
> Pratola, LIM - Libreria Musicale Italiana, Lucca 2008. 
> 2009?
> 
> greetings
> w.
> 
> 
> 
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[LUTE] AW: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] marco dall´aquila

[wolfgang wiehe]

   yes I know, dear ron,

   and I know about the sources in print and the munich ms 266 and denys
   work. I am interested in the annonced edition of marco's works.

   ;-)



   wolfgang

   -Urspruengliche Nachricht-
   Von: Ron Andrico [mailto:praelu...@hotmail.com]
   Gesendet: Dienstag, 30. Maerz 2010 16:51
   An: wie-w...@gmx.de; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Betreff: RE: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] marco dall'aquila

 Wolfgang and All:
 I'm sure you know about the scores of Marco's music that Arthur Ness
 has kindly posted.
 http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/arthurjnesslutescores/id16.html
 Ron Andrico
 www.mignarda.com
 > Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:10:48 +0200
 > To: wie-w...@gmx.de; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 > From: wie-w...@gmx.de
 > Subject: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] marco dall'aquila
 >
 > sorry,
 > i just found this:
 > http://www.lim.it/Catalogo_2010.pdf
 > page 9
 > ##
 > DALL'AQUILA, MARCO. L'opera per liuto. Edizione critica. (Fonti di
 > Storia Musicale Abruzzese, 1). Disponibile anche in tiratura a
 fascicoli
 > separati (intavolatura e notazione moderna) per interpreti.
 > IN PREPARAZIONE
 > ##
 >
 >
 >
 >  Original-Nachricht 
 > > Datum: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:27:28 +0200
 > > Von: "wolfgang wiehe" 
 > > An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 > > Betreff: [LUTE] marco dall'aquila
 >
 > > hello,
 > > someone knows this edition? is it really printed? and available?
 > >
 > > Marco dall'Aquila: Lute Works, edited by Paul O' Dette and
 Maurizio
 > > Pratola, LIM - Libreria Musicale Italiana, Lucca 2008.
 > > 2009?
 > >
 > > greetings
 > > w.
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > > To get on or off this list see list information at
 > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 >
 >
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[LUTE] Castelfranco Ms.

[wolfgang wiehe]

hello,
what does the collective wisdom knows about this manuscript? Is there an 
inventory etc.? some tabulatures on the net?
greetings
w.



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> Datum: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 20:49:47 +0100
> Von: "Denys Stephens" 
> An: "\'David Tayler\'" , "\'lute-cs.dartmouth.edu\'" 
> 
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: CD Dall\'Aquila

> Dear David,
> There is no currently available complete edition. All of the known
> pieces attributed to Marco in manuscript and printed sources are included 
> in the Lute Society 'Lute News' series edited by myself and John H 
> Robinson which are available from the Lute Society. The series
> also includes many of the pieces from Munich Ms. 266 which can
> reasonably be deduced to be by Dall'Aquila on stylistic grounds.
> This series is tablature only (no score transcription). The
> Lute Society has avoided producing a complete edition in the hope that
> the Arthur Ness edition will appear in print, which would
> surely be regarded as the definitive volume that we would all like to
> see.
> 
> Interestingly, the O'Dette CD includes a number of pieces which have
> not to my knowledge been previously attributed to Marco, some being
> minor pieces from Munich Ms. 266 and others from seemingly unknown
> sources. It's possible that these might be from the Castelfranco Ms.
> which is said to include work by Marco, although there is no inventory
> of its contents generally available. I look forward to hearing more
> about those pieces myself.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Denys
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On
> Behalf
> Of David Tayler
> Sent: 30 March 2010 19:25
> To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: CD Dall'Aquila
> 
> Is there a "one stop shopping for" for Aquila's music scores?
> I'm in a buying mood.
> Sorry about the CD sound, I guess there are no refunds.
> I suppose we could send a group letter, making it 
> very clear of course that the engineering is the 
> issue, and that Paul deserves the best.
> dt
> 
> At 07:05 AM 3/29/2010, you wrote:
> >Here the recording is in a castle, not in a church, near the city of
> Aquila,
> >Italy. But there was perhaps more suitable rooms in the castle ?
> >It's a pity because Dall'Aquila's music is beautiful(and Paul's playing
> too)
> >V.
> >
> >-Message d'origine-
> >De : Monica Hall [mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk]
> >Envoyé : lundi 29 mars 2010 15:56
> >À : Valéry Sauvage
> >Cc : Lutelist
> >Objet : Re: [LUTE] Re: CD Dall'Aquila
> >
> >
> >I agree with you.   I listened to a few tracks and was appalled.   It's
> as
> >if they had recorded it in the local swimming baths.
> >
> >There is this tendency to use churches for recording this repertoire -
> >possibly because churches (in England at least) charge less than other
> >venues.  Most of them are completely inappropriate and unsuitable.
> >
> >What a shame for Paul.
> >
> >Monica
> >
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Valéry Sauvage" 
> >To: 
> >Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 1:42 PM
> >Subject: [LUTE] Re: CD Dall'Aquila
> >
> >
> >It seems to me the CD is worst (but I'm listenint to the web page on a
> >computer with poor speakers cutting high frequencies) CD, on a good hifi
> >player, treble are really agressive. Like if it was played on a metal
> strung
> >instrument (but not a soft orpharion, Alas...) and also a cathedral
> effect,
> >like a bad computer reverb effect.
> >But I would like others opinion if some had the CD (On the French list
> there
> >is another bad opinion)
> >V.
> >
> >-Message d'origine-
> >De : Andrew White
> >Envoyé : lundi 29 mars 2010 13:57
> >À : Valery Sauvage
> >Objet : Re: [LUTE] CD Dall'Aquila
> >
> >
> >Val,
> >
> >Does the CD sound better, worse of the same as the tracks on the webpage?
> >
> >http://www.harmoniamundi.com/#/albums?view=playlists&id=1456
> >
> >It sounds to me like the microphone is at the back of a hall
> >
> >Andrew
> >
> >On 29/03/2010, at 9:03 PM, Valery Sauvage wrote:
> >
> > >   I just receive the last CD by Paul O'Dette, of Dall'Aquila's music
> at
> > >   Harmonia Mundi.
> > >
> > >   I'm afraid it is really bad. Not Paul's playing (excellent as usual)
> > >   but sound recording is really not "audible" (is it the right word ?)
> > >   Trebles are aggressive, bass mixed in a soap sound... The booklet
> says
> > >   it is the "historical" place where it was recorded that is very much
> > >   reverberant... Why did they choose this place ? even if it was not
> > >   possible to record in the church in Aquila where the plan to do
> first,
> > >   but can't because of the earthquake.
> > >
> > >   I send a mail to Harmonia Munid, to ask them to take this out of
> sell
> > >   and make a new one on the usual standard... (and to ask my money
> back
> > >   !)
> > >
> > >   Other opinions ?
> > >
> > >   Val L
> > >
> > >   --
> > >
> > >
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[LUTE] frottole libro terzo 1504 online!

[wolfgang wiehe]

   [1]http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0004/bsb00047546/images/

   it seems, that they started the digitalization of petrucci's frotttole
   books in munich! hurra!

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[LUTE] Re: Marco dall'Aquila / O'Dette

[wolfgang wiehe]

My marco-cd arrived yesterday. Ok, too much reverb. But perfect and very
soulfull (!) playing of this wonderful music. You must hear it often,
than the reverb is forgotten and the music speaks to you.
Denys: POD played ms. 266 no. 33 just bevor "in te domine speravi"! ;-)
but not mentioned in the booklet exactly the sources..
Greetings
W.

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im
Auftrag von Denys Stephens
Gesendet: Samstag, 3. April 2010 15:08
An: 'lute-cs.dartmouth.edu'
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Marco dall'Aquila / O'Dette


Dear All,
My apologies for digressing from the interesting discussion on the use
of microphones.

My copy of the Marco CD arrived this morning, and having listened to it
intently, I agree with many of the sentiments expressed here about the
sound, particularly when played through a speaker system, where the
effect is rather analogous to trying to view a great painting through
someone else's glasses. However, I have found 
it works much better on my MP3 player. Despite all of that, this is the
first album by a great player entirely devoted to Marco Dall'Aquila
(with no disrespect to Chris Wilson, whose Naxos recording of some years
ago is only two thirds Marco). In that respect, in my view this is the
most significant recording of early lute music of recent years. There
are many wonderful pieces recorded here for the first time (some of
which are extremely challenging to play well) and they are performed
beautifully. I get the sense that this is music that Paul O'Dette has a
great feeling for. And again despite the misgivings about the recording,
the album reveals the genius of Marco Dall'Aquila's writing for the lute
which has been under appreciated for far too long. 

Best wishes,

Denys






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[LUTE] attaignant facsimile

[wolfgang wiehe]

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trescorrectement imprimees

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[LUTE] stringing of a "wandervogellaute"

[wolfgang wiehe]

hello all,
I get a present from member of our church choir: a 6-string 
"wandervogelgitarre" 63cm mensur. It is the instrument of her father (born in 
1904). so its about 90 years old. not very pretty but corpus and soundboard 
without cracks and with intact mechanics. the instrument is stringed with nylon 
and cu-wounded guitar strings (more than 30 years old and made in GDR!), make a 
deep bass sound (I tuned it in D)
Someone has experiences with stringing this furniture? mathias rösel told me to 
string it with nylgut (4 kg tension)
greetings
w.



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[LUTE] tromboncino "vergine bella"

[wolfgang wiehe]

thanks to Timo Peedu (lutegroup.ning) for his wonderful intabulation of 
Tromboncino´s "vergine bella". Now I am searching for the vocal score of this 
frottola. I didn´t found it on the web yet. Can someone help me?
greetings
from coldcoldcold germany
w.



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[LUTE] Re: tromboncino "vergine bella"

[wolfgang wiehe]

puh!
Thank you arto! I didn´t found it.
it si such a wonderful piece, a gem!
greetings
w.
 Original-Nachricht 
> Datum: Wed, 19 May 2010 10:28:10 +0300
> Von: Arto Wikla 
> An: wolfgang wiehe 
> CC: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Betreff: Re: [LUTE] tromboncino "vergine bella"

> Dear Wolfgang,
> 
> just a quick googling:
>http://www.scaramella.se/1500_tal_italienskt/Tromb_Vergine_2_2004.pdf
> 
> There it is! :-)
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Arto
> 
> wolfgang wiehe wrote:
> > thanks to Timo Peedu (lutegroup.ning) for his wonderful intabulation of
> Tromboncino´s "vergine bella". Now I am searching for the vocal score of
> this frottola. I didn´t found it on the web yet. Can someone help me?
> > greetings
> > from coldcoldcold germany
> > w.
> > 
> > 
> > 
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[LUTE] haveva ´na gallina

[wolfgang wiehe]

   hi all,

   I am looking for the score of this villanella from "canzone alla
   napolitana" 1557.

   thanks

   wolfgang

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[LUTE] Re: geared pegs and Dan Larson's lute

[wolfgang wiehe]

I like my simple lute pegs, I like the simple non-mechanized "1 to 1 
tuning-design" of old instruments. perhaps modern guitar-tuning-mechanics are a 
result of 19th century perfection...
w.




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> Datum: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 09:17:23 -0400
> Von: Edward Mast 
> An: Edward Martin 
> CC: howard posner , "lute-cs.dartmouth.edu" 
> 
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: geared pegs and Dan Larson\'s lute

> It seems to me that another reason - beyond the weight of guitar-type
> machine tuners - for not using them on lutes would be the space they require. 
> I think they would require that the tuners  be more widely spaced and the
> peg box consequently much longer.  Though more expensive, the geared pegs
> are far more practical, I think.
> 
> Ned
> On Jun 22, 2010, at 5:00 AM, Edward Martin wrote:
> 
> > I do not know the exact weight, but the 8-course lute has 15 pegs, or 
> > should I say, gears.  The lute's neck felt as though it was light, 
> > with absolutely no noticeable added weight.
> > 
> > 
> > At 12:33 AM 6/22/2010, howard posner wrote:
> >> Weight is a major issue, especially when you're putting 24 of 
> >> something on one end of your instrument.  So the increased weight of 
> >> a standard machine tuning head is usually cited as the reason for 
> >> not using them on lutes, which are much lighter than 19th-century 
> >> guitars.  I have never personally weighed machine heads and pegs, so 
> >> I can't say how significant the added weight would actually be.
> >> 
> >> On Jun 21, 2010, at 2:28 PM, Eugene C. Braig IV wrote:
> >> 
> >>> The almost universal application of pegs to lutes seems to have come
> about
> >>> because 1) historic lutes were no longer in widespread use as geared
> tuners
> >>> proliferated and 2) when the early music movement resurrected lutes,
> geared
> >>> tuners were deliberately excluded to make deference to historic
> practices.
> >>> 
> >>> So, other than replacing pegs without the necessity to substantially
> modify
> >>> existing instruments, how are such tuners as applied to new
> instruments any
> >>> more useful than those already widely used and cheaply available?  Is
> the
> >>> appeal strictly in the rather superficial appearance of not being
> geared?
> >>> 
> >>> I am not at all opposed to geared tuners--using them on guitars from
> >>> original 19th-c. pieces to quite modern--but I don't understand the
> appeal
> >>> of so much expense on tuners simply for something that doesn't "look"
> >>> geared.  I'd just as soon deal with temperamental friction 
> >> pegs.  After all,
> >>> many of us are willing to deal with the temperamental issues of at
> least
> >>> partial stringing in gut when more stable materials are more cheaply
> >>> available.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> To get on or off this list see list information at
> >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Edward Martin
> > 2817 East 2nd Street
> > Duluth, Minnesota  55812
> > e-mail:  e...@gamutstrings.com
> > voice:  (218) 728-1202
> > http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1660298871&ref=name
> > http://www.myspace.com/edslute
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 

[LUTE] praelude romanesque...

[wolfgang wiehe]

..from the uppsala manuscript 412, f.28 by Morlaye (?). Has someone  a copy for 
me? It is such a nice piece.
thanks
wolfgang



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[LUTE] Re: praelude romanesque...

[wolfgang wiehe]

thank you G. for the tabulature,
this "1-line" piece is a wonderful exercise for both hands and - by the way - 
it sounds really good! the romanesca is well hidden in the line ;-)
cordial greetings
wolfgang

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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 10:22 AM
Subject: [LUTE] praelude romanesque...


> ..from the uppsala manuscript 412, f.28 by Morlaye (?). Has someone  a
> copy for me? It is such a nice piece.
> thanks
> wolfgang
>
>
>
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[LUTE] Re: antiqua (guatemala) vihuela manuscript

[wolfgang wiehe]

perhaps you mean this:
http://www.tesis.ufm.edu.gt/pdf/848.pdf
can´t read spanish
greetings
wolfgang

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> Datum: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 11:32:57 +0200
> Von: Taco Walstra 
> An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Betreff: [LUTE] antiqua (guatemala) vihuela manuscript

> Dear all,
> A few weeks ago I happened to be in Antiqua in Quatemala. They have a 
> tiny museum containing old manuscrips and books which were printed in 
> 16th and 17th century in quatemala. Among the books shown there were 4 
> books containing music and one manuscript where the description 
> mentioned that it was about vihuela tuning. 23 pages following were to 
> contain religious music. Of course it would have been nice if this 
> manuscript contains vihuela tablature, but the museum description didn't 
> mention this, although it looks like that the music was intended to be 
> played on vihuela. Unfortunately there was nobody available to provide 
> more information. I made 2 pictures of the pages and will put them on a 
> website this week. Anybody more info about this book?
> Taco
> 
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Lauthenkonzert, hinterleuthner 1699

[wolfgang wiehe]

http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0005/bsb00052434/images/

Pdf-facsimile



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[LUTE] duo de josquin - fuenllana

[wolfgang wiehe]

hello,
I´m searching for the vocal source of "duo de josquin fecit potentia" by 
fuenllana. I know it´s the 6th vers of the magnificat. I would like to perform 
the duo in contrast to a performance by voices or recorders at our playersday 
in cottbus in 2 weeks.
thanks
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[LUTE] Re: Lute volume

[wolfgang wiehe]

Here another example from cottbus to judge. 
Well balanced - i think - between singer and lute. The mic "zoom h2" was
about 5 meters away, this was the first row of our auditorium:
http://www.esnips.com/doc/3c871420-c2d5-4c38-a416-00784a90ba5d/Frottola-
-su-su-leva

And here the same frottola with another "zoom h2" about 15 meters behind
the last row of the auditorium with much more natural reverb:
http://www.esnips.com/doc/ddbd60e1-bfab-48cb-a83e-d2bcc3f51017/16-Titel-
16

The church is from the 15th century and - if i remember right - 70 m
long and 22 m high and wide. See the ground plot:
http://www.st-nikolai-cottbus.de/oberkirche/bilder/denkmal/folie10.html

Greetings
W.



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Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im
Auftrag von "Mathias Rösel"
Gesendet: Sonntag, 17. Oktober 2010 13:51
An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Lute volume


Judge for yourself:
http://service.gmx.net/de/cgi/derefer?TYPE=2&DEST=http%3A%2F%2Fservice%2
Egmx%2Enet%2Fde%2Fcgi%2Fdfstools%3Fopenid%3D30949%2E1287316081%26o%3D959
384029%2E1287316082%26cmd%3Dopen%26file%3D04%2BGigue%2BWach%2Bauf%2BMs16
45%255FMatthias%2BRebecca%2B%2B%252Emp3%26folder%3D%252F
(last Sunday, Cottbus). In the beginning, or so I was later told, a
woman said, now a mike is needed, but after a short while she could dela
with it. As a matter of fact, there was a lot of echo in the huge
cathedral. But focussing does the trick. Or so I was told >8)

Mathias

"Gary Digman"  schrieb:
> As a jazz musician, I play a lot of corporate events and parties. For 
> years
> I thought the crowd would get louder every time we began to play, but
now I 
> think the perception that the crowd is getting louder is a result of
focus, 
> i.e. when we begin to play we focus on sound, giving the impression
that all 
> sounds get louder including the crowd noise.
> 
> That being said, I have to admit that I have attended lute concerts 
> given by
> some of the leading lights of the lute world for audiences numbering
in the 
> hundreds where the lute literally could not be heard at all past the
seventh 
> or eighth row. Very frustating to pay $35-$80 for a ticket only to
find out 
> you will not be able to hear the lute no matter how focused you are. I
think 
> if we're going to play for audiences this large, some sound
reinforcement 
> may become necessary even though it is a compromise. Other instruments
have 
> had to deal with this problem. Jazz bassists amplify the double bass,
even 
> though the best and purest sound of the double bass is thereby
compromised, 
> in order to be heard.
> 
> Gary
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ron Andrico" 
> To: ; 
> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 11:29 AM
> Subject: [LUTE] Lute volume
> 
> 
> >   To All:
> >   We have a new post on our blog that may be of general lute
interest,
> >   concerning volume in performance.
> >
http://mignarda.wordpress.com/2010/10/16/sound-check-is-it-loud-enough/
> >   Best wishes,
> >   Ron & Donna
> >   www.mignarda.com
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> >
> >
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[LUTE] Re: Lute volume

[wolfgang wiehe]

some years ago we had a playersday in hamburg in a church. one performed piece 
was a duo between renaissance lute and soprano recorder. near the performers, i 
was able to hear more or less the recorder only. while walking away to the 
entrance of the church the lute sound comes more and more out of the shade of 
the recorder sound and was very present.
greetings
w.
p.s. I think, there is no linear relationship between different instruments



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> Datum: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 05:52:37 -0700 (PDT)
> Von: Christopher Wilke 
> An: wi...@cs.helsinki.fi, Anthony Hind 
> CC: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Lute volume

> Anthony,
> 
> --- On Mon, 10/18/10, Anthony Hind  wrote:
> >   I was told
> >    by a lutenist and theorbist that in a
> > recent rehearsal with a rather
> >    large Baroque group accompanied by a
> > relatively large number of
> >    singers, the director told my friend to
> > hold back a little as he was
> >    projecting too well. The theorbo was gut
> > strung.
> 
> I've been told this by several different directors, too.  (Theorbo: toy
> class.  Stringing: synthetic and gut).  Never believe them!  After every
> concert where I've been asked to hold back, I've asked people from the 
> audience
> whether they could hear me.  Comments ranged from "in a few spots" to "not
> at all."  Really, have you ever been to an ensemble concert where you've
> thought "that lute is too loud"?
> 
> The problem rises from the fact that, despite my early comment about the
> lute's sound traveling better than the classical guitar's, it still doesn't
> compare with strings, voices or even harpsichord.  While the ensemble may
> have a dynamic range from 1-10, a plucker is going to have maybe 1-4 - with
> "4" being your most aggressive, string-ripping .  In reality, it means
> that you've got to play fff (3.5 or so) in normal passages, and ff in
> pianos.  To the director and fellow musicians it can sound like you're 
> massively
> overplaying.  For the person in row two or 32, it will sound just right.
> 
> I've never wanted to argue with a director.  I've also been tempted to lay
> back in rehearsals, then simply disregard orders and amp it up in
> performance, but I've never had the guts to do it.  Unprofessional behavior 
> and all
> that jazz.  
> 
> Chris
> 
> Christopher Wilke
> Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer
> www.christopherwilke.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >    Anthony
> > 
> >     Message d'origine 
> >    >De : wi...@cs.helsinki.fi
> >    >A : "Thomas Schall" 
> >    >Objet : [LUTE] Re: Lute volume
> >    >Date : 18/10/2010 11:29:38 CEST
> >    >Copie `a : "Gary Digman" ;
> >    > lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> >    >
> >    >I second Thomas' comment: I've seen
> > and heard Bream play lute, I've
> >    seen
> >    > and with some trouble heard
> > something of Hoppy's playing, and I have
> >    > only _seen_ Rooley accompanying his
> > song ensemble, not heard the lute
> >    > (it was in 70's...)
> >    >
> >    > Arto
> >    >
> >    >
> >    > On 18/10/10 11:26, Thomas Schall
> > wrote:
> >    > > I can follow your comment about
> > Hoppy because he is playing at a
> >    > > *very* low volume. I have heard
> > him both in a large church playing
> >    as
> >    > > well as in a small salon. The
> > first has been disappointing - the
> >    > > second has been a nice
> > experience.
> >    > > I've heard Julian Bream in a
> > larger room - volume has not been a
> >    > > problem at all .
> >    > >
> >    > > Thomas
> >    > >
> >    > > Am 18.10.2010 10:06, schrieb
> > Gary Digman:
> >    > >> Two of the lute players I
> > was referring to were Julian Bream and
> >    > >> Hopkinson Smith. Both
> > playing to audiences of over 250 people and
> >    > >> neither could be heard past
> > the seventh row no matter how much
> >    focus
> >    > >> one brought to the event.
> > Fortunately in the Julian Bream concert
> >    I
> >    > >> was able to sneak down to
> > an empty seat in the first row. Not so
> >    in
> >    > >> the Hoppy concert, the
> > first eight rows were reserved for season
> >    > >> ticket holders. However, I
> > was able to hear Hoppy play in a
> >    library
> >    > >> concert later where the
> > conditions were ideal for the lute. The
> >    > >> audience was limited to
> > eighty people and the stage was an
> >    elevated
> >    > >> platform affording everyone
> > in the room the opportunity to both
> >    hear
> >    > >> and see Hoppy play.
> >    > >>
> >    > >> Gary
> >    > >>
> >    > >> - Original Message
> > - From: "Christopher Wilke"
> >    > >> 
> >    > >> To: ;
> > "Gary Digman" 
> >    > >> Sent: Sunday, October 17,
> > 2010 7:51 AM
> >    > >> Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re:
> > Lute volume
> >    > >>
> >    > >>
> >    > >>> Gary,
> >    > >>>
> >    > >>> --- On Sun, 10/17/10,
> > Gary Digman 
> > wrote:
> >    > 
> >    >  That being said, I
> > have to admit that I have attended lute
> >    >  conc

[LUTE] Re: In My Life Copyright Issue What is Copyright Infringement?

[wolfgang wiehe]

what´s about singing this song on a public place (toilette)?
is this copyright infringement?
;-)
w

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> Datum: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 13:36:46 +0200
> Von: "anthony.chalkley" 
> An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: In My Life Copyright Issue What is Copyright Infringement?

> Shouldn't worry too much Tom. Yoko didn't even know Lennon would have been
> 70 this year - can't imagine she knows any of the songs she didn't howl 
> on
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Guitar & Lute" 
> To: 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 1:27 PM
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: In My Life Copyright Issue What is Copyright 
> Infringement?
> 
> 
> >
> > Hi Tom,
> >
> > Just to help you out here since apparantly you have your idea of what
> > copyright law is, here is a link and a quote from the US copyright
> > office.
> >
> > "What is copyright infringement?
> >
> > As a general matter, copyright infringement occurs when a copyrighted
> > work is reproduced, distributed, performed, publicly displayed, or
> > made into a derivative work without the permission of the copyright
> > owner."
> >
> > See it yourself,
> >
> > http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-definitions.html
> >
> > Allan
> >
> >
> >
> > To get on or off this list see list information at
> > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 

[LUTE] Re: More digital facsimiles from the (public) libraries?

[wolfgang wiehe]

hi david,
digitalizing costs a lot - for equipment and personal. the munich BSB is doing 
a great job in preparing such a lot of digitals for us, but first for 
preserving their treasures, too. if we are looking to cologne, we know, what it 
means, if such a large archive is destroyed. 

http://www.digitale-sammlungen.de/index.html?c=digitalisierung-scanner&l=de
on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y16rNqnxj0U

greetings
w.






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> Datum: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:45:25 -0800
> Von: David Tayler 
> An: "lute-cs.dartmouth.edu" 
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: More digital facsimiles from the (public)  libraries?

> For everyone who buys one, there are a hundred who will not. It will 
> all be online eventually, so why not do it now? So everyone can be 
> wiser and more musical.
> I think if someone is faced with a decision, hey, I can charge for 
> this, or give it freely to the world, well, there is a choice that is 
> more than a personal decision, because it is a question of whether it 
> is part of our greater musical society. And I don't want my 
> facsimiles cleaned up. Just put it all online please, before I croak. 
> And thanks to those who do.
> 
> dt
> 
> At 03:24 PM 11/10/2010, you wrote:
> >Hello David & All:
> >
> >While I agree in concept that the facsimiles should be available, 
> >and that providing access to the source material is a good thing, I 
> >don't necessarily believe charging for facsimiles is evil.  Perhaps 
> >you meant 'a necessary evil'?  The work that goes into preparing a 
> >facsimile; photographing, maximizing its legibility, concordances if 
> >they are part of the package, reproducing, binding and conveying to 
> >players, certainly is not carried out by nefarious, money-grubbing 
> >Dick Cheney types (as a reference for evil personified).  Well 
> >probably not anyway.  I appreciate all of my Boethius and Minkoff 
> >facsimiles and, even if they cost as much as a small house, they 
> >don't smell of sulfur when I crack the covers.
> >
> >Ron Andrico
> >
> > > Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:33:08 -0800
> > > To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> > > From: vidan...@sbcglobal.net
> > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: More digital facsimiles from the (public)
> libraries?
> > >
> > > Although I understand all of the issues, including compensating ppl
> > > for their time, charging money for facsimiles is basically evil, and
> > > in the long run everyone will be better served by having more music
> > > available--more concerts, more audience, more work.
> > > What all libraries should do is just put it all online, and then if
> > > someone wants to make an edition and sell it, fine. Just make a PDF,
> > > and upload it, and I guarantee that everyone will benefit.
> > > This also prevents players from owning a repertory by limiting access.
> > >
> > > If scholars want to sell the commentary as a separate book, that is
> > > also fine, and continues an established tradition.
> > > dt
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > At 12:32 PM 11/10/2010, you wrote:
> > > > Still something that I don't get:
> > > >
> > > > why are some public (public) libraries slowly making all their MS
> > > > available as a digital download - and I'm thinking about the the
> > > > Bayerisch Staatsbibliothek here in Munich, between others -, while
> > > > there are other PUBLIC libraries (hello, British Library ...) - that
> > > > still do not even seem to envisage that ...
> > > >
> > > > Shall we (as single members of the list) put some pressure on our
> local
> > > > libraries? Send an email to the curators of their music departments
> -
> > > > maybe as rightful, registered members of the library, as I guess
> some
> > > > of us are - and ask about it?
> > > > (Of course, this doesn't want to diminuish at all the value of such
> > > > pubblication as the Dd.2.11 by the Lute Society. The scholarship
> part
> > > > is something you dont get in a digital facsimile ...)
> > > > Your opinion, listers?
> > > > Matteo
> > > > On 10 November 2010 20:19, Denys Stephens
> > > > <[1]denyssteph...@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > [...]
> > > >
> > > > It's also worth noting that whilst some
> > > > of
> > > > the world's libraries are making digital copies of their musical
> > > > sources
> > > > available, there is currently no expectation that this, or indeed
> > > > any of the
> > > > Cambridge University Library manuscripts will become available as
> > > > free
> > > > electronic downloads.
> > > > Denys
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > >References
> > > >
> > > > 1. mailto:denyssteph...@ukonline.co.uk
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >To get on or off this list see list information at
> > > >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> > >
> > >
> 
> 

[LUTE] Re: More digital facsimiles from the (public) libraries?

[wolfgang wiehe]

by the way: today the munich BSB has 
397.736 Titels online ;-)
[11.11.2010] 

 Original-Nachricht 
> Datum: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 08:55:13 +0100
> Von: "wolfgang wiehe" 
> An: David Tayler , lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: More digital facsimiles from the (public)  libraries?

> hi david,
> digitalizing costs a lot - for equipment and personal. the munich BSB is
> doing a great job in preparing such a lot of digitals for us, but first for
> preserving their treasures, too. if we are looking to cologne, we know,
> what it means, if such a large archive is destroyed. 
> 
> http://www.digitale-sammlungen.de/index.html?c=digitalisierung-scanner&l=de
> on youtube:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y16rNqnxj0U
> 
> greetings
> w.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  Original-Nachricht 
> > Datum: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:45:25 -0800
> > Von: David Tayler 
> > An: "lute-cs.dartmouth.edu" 
> > Betreff: [LUTE] Re: More digital facsimiles from the (public) 
> libraries?
> 
> > For everyone who buys one, there are a hundred who will not. It will 
> > all be online eventually, so why not do it now? So everyone can be 
> > wiser and more musical.
> > I think if someone is faced with a decision, hey, I can charge for 
> > this, or give it freely to the world, well, there is a choice that is 
> > more than a personal decision, because it is a question of whether it 
> > is part of our greater musical society. And I don't want my 
> > facsimiles cleaned up. Just put it all online please, before I croak. 
> > And thanks to those who do.
> > 
> > dt
> > 
> > At 03:24 PM 11/10/2010, you wrote:
> > >Hello David & All:
> > >
> > >While I agree in concept that the facsimiles should be available, 
> > >and that providing access to the source material is a good thing, I 
> > >don't necessarily believe charging for facsimiles is evil.  Perhaps 
> > >you meant 'a necessary evil'?  The work that goes into preparing a 
> > >facsimile; photographing, maximizing its legibility, concordances if 
> > >they are part of the package, reproducing, binding and conveying to 
> > >players, certainly is not carried out by nefarious, money-grubbing 
> > >Dick Cheney types (as a reference for evil personified).  Well 
> > >probably not anyway.  I appreciate all of my Boethius and Minkoff 
> > >facsimiles and, even if they cost as much as a small house, they 
> > >don't smell of sulfur when I crack the covers.
> > >
> > >Ron Andrico
> > >
> > > > Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:33:08 -0800
> > > > To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> > > > From: vidan...@sbcglobal.net
> > > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: More digital facsimiles from the (public)
> > libraries?
> > > >
> > > > Although I understand all of the issues, including compensating ppl
> > > > for their time, charging money for facsimiles is basically evil, and
> > > > in the long run everyone will be better served by having more music
> > > > available--more concerts, more audience, more work.
> > > > What all libraries should do is just put it all online, and then if
> > > > someone wants to make an edition and sell it, fine. Just make a PDF,
> > > > and upload it, and I guarantee that everyone will benefit.
> > > > This also prevents players from owning a repertory by limiting
> access.
> > > >
> > > > If scholars want to sell the commentary as a separate book, that is
> > > > also fine, and continues an established tradition.
> > > > dt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 12:32 PM 11/10/2010, you wrote:
> > > > > Still something that I don't get:
> > > > >
> > > > > why are some public (public) libraries slowly making all their MS
> > > > > available as a digital download - and I'm thinking about the the
> > > > > Bayerisch Staatsbibliothek here in Munich, between others -, while
> > > > > there are other PUBLIC libraries (hello, British Library ...) -
> that
> > > > > still do not even seem to envisage that ...
> > > > >
> > > > > Shall we (as single members of the list) put some pressure on our
> > local
> > > > > libraries? Send an email to the curators of their music
> departments
> > -
> > > > > maybe as rightful, registered members of the library, as I guess
&g

[LUTE] frottole 1520

[wolfgang wiehe]

hi,
where can I find/who has a copy/facsimile of "Frottole de misser Bartolomio 
Tromboncino et de misser Marchetto Carra con tenori et bassi tabultai et con 
soprani in canto figurato per cantar et sonar col lauto. 1520"? If I´m right it 
is preserved in Biblioteca del Conservatorio statale di musica Luigi Cherubini 
- Firenze.
greetings
wolfgang



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[LUTE] Re: How to make a lute in five minutes

[wolfgang wiehe]

so easy! I am in a cold sweat every time...

 Original-Nachricht 
> Datum: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 10:32:12 +
> Von: Martin Shepherd 
> An: Lute List 
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: How to make a lute in five minutes

> Thanks, Paolo, that's lovely.  But I do wonder if it's a competition - 
> what next?  A 35-rib theorbo in the time it takes to play Mrs Winter's 
> Jump?  I'm working on it
> 
> Martin
> 
> On 05/12/2010 21:32, Paolo Busato wrote:
> > Dear all,
> >
> > This is my contribution to the topic. Two lute bowls in one minute 
> > (background music played by Jacopo Gianninoto):
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exfQ10SUIrk
> >
> > Enjoy!
> >
> > Paolo Busato lute-maker
> > www.busatolutes.com
> >
> _
> > Il contenuto di questa e-mail e dei file allegati è RISERVATO e da
> > considerarsi utilizzabile solamente dalla persona o dall'ente cui è
> > indirizzato. Se avete ricevuto questa e-mail per errore, siete pregati
> di
> > eliminarla e di contattare il mittente (Legge italiana 196/2003).  The
> > content of this e-mail and any files is CONFIDENTIAL and intended
> > solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed.
> > If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this email
> > and any attachments and contact the sender. (Italian Law 196/2003)
> >
> _
> >
> >
> > - Original Message - From: "Martin Shepherd" 
> > 
> > To: "Lute List" 
> > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 11:03 AM
> > Subject: [LUTE] How to make a lute in five minutes
> >
> >
> >>  (with a little help from Francis Cutting):
> >>
> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMBMGRcRbG0
> >>
> >> and considerable hindrance from Windows Movie Maker.
> >>
> >> Lots of questions about how to do "proper video" coming up
> >>
> >>
> >> Best wishes,
> >>
> >> Martin
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> To get on or off this list see list information at
> >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 
> >
> >
> 
> 

[LUTE] Re: How to make a lute in five minutes

[wolfgang wiehe]

upps, I mean this video! sorry
w.
 Original-Nachricht 
> Datum: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 11:57:40 +0100
> Von: "wolfgang wiehe" 
> An: Martin Shepherd , lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: How to make a lute in five minutes

> so easy! I am in a cold sweat every time...
> 
>  Original-Nachricht 
> > Datum: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 10:32:12 +
> > Von: Martin Shepherd 
> > An: Lute List 
> > Betreff: [LUTE] Re: How to make a lute in five minutes
> 
> > Thanks, Paolo, that's lovely.  But I do wonder if it's a competition - 
> > what next?  A 35-rib theorbo in the time it takes to play Mrs Winter's 
> > Jump?  I'm working on it
> > 
> > Martin
> > 
> > On 05/12/2010 21:32, Paolo Busato wrote:
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > This is my contribution to the topic. Two lute bowls in one minute 
> > > (background music played by Jacopo Gianninoto):
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exfQ10SUIrk
> > >
> > > Enjoy!
> > >
> > > Paolo Busato lute-maker
> > > www.busatolutes.com
> > >
> >
> _
> > > Il contenuto di questa e-mail e dei file allegati è RISERVATO e da
> > > considerarsi utilizzabile solamente dalla persona o dall'ente cui è
> > > indirizzato. Se avete ricevuto questa e-mail per errore, siete pregati
> > di
> > > eliminarla e di contattare il mittente (Legge italiana 196/2003).  The
> > > content of this e-mail and any files is CONFIDENTIAL and intended
> > > solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is
> addressed.
> > > If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this email
> > > and any attachments and contact the sender. (Italian Law 196/2003)
> > >
> >
> _
> > >
> > >
> > > - Original Message - From: "Martin Shepherd" 
> > > 
> > > To: "Lute List" 
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 11:03 AM
> > > Subject: [LUTE] How to make a lute in five minutes
> > >
> > >
> > >>  (with a little help from Francis Cutting):
> > >>
> > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMBMGRcRbG0
> > >>
> > >> and considerable hindrance from Windows Movie Maker.
> > >>
> > >> Lots of questions about how to do "proper video" coming up
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Best wishes,
> > >>
> > >> Martin
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> To get on or off this list see list information at
> > >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > 
> 
> 

[LUTE] Re: How to make a lute in five minutes

[wolfgang wiehe]

I mean thisFastening gut frets 
http://www.youtube.com/user/PaololiutaioPD#p/a/u/0/6aItqGZ0zJs
sorry

 Original-Nachricht 
> Datum: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 13:15:13 +0200
> Von: wikla 
> An: Paolo Busato 
> CC: Lute List 
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: How to make a lute in five minutes

> You mean this
> 
>   http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/Mdieffo1608/jan03_3.html
> 
> That's my Tieffenbrucker under construction in 2003.
> 
> Arto
> 
> 
> On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 12:05:39 +0100, "Paolo Busato" 
> wrote:
> > Thank you Martin! Instead I'm thinking of the 51 ribbed Tieffenbrucker 
> > theorbo in the time of the 4th piece for little orchestra by A. Webern
> > (less 
> > than 30"!) :^
> > 
> > Paolo Busato lute-maker
> > www.busatolutes.com
> >
> _
> > Il contenuto di questa e-mail e dei file allegati è RISERVATO e da
> > considerarsi utilizzabile solamente dalla persona o dall'ente cui è
> > indirizzato. Se avete ricevuto questa e-mail per errore, siete pregati
> di
> > eliminarla e di contattare il mittente (Legge italiana 196/2003).  The
> > content of this e-mail and any files is CONFIDENTIAL and intended
> > solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed.
> >  If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this email
> > and any attachments and contact the sender. (Italian Law 196/2003)
> >
> _
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Martin Shepherd" 
> > To: "Lute List" 
> > Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 11:32 AM
> > Subject: [LUTE] Re: How to make a lute in five minutes
> > 
> > 
> >> Thanks, Paolo, that's lovely.  But I do wonder if it's a competition - 
> >> what next?  A 35-rib theorbo in the time it takes to play Mrs Winter's 
> >> Jump?  I'm working on it
> >>
> >> Martin
> >>
> >> On 05/12/2010 21:32, Paolo Busato wrote:
> >>> Dear all,
> >>>
> >>> This is my contribution to the topic. Two lute bowls in one minute 
> >>> (background music played by Jacopo Gianninoto):
> >>>
> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exfQ10SUIrk
> >>>
> >>> Enjoy!
> >>>
> >>> Paolo Busato lute-maker
> >>> www.busatolutes.com
> >>>
> _
> >>> Il contenuto di questa e-mail e dei file allegati è RISERVATO e da
> >>> considerarsi utilizzabile solamente dalla persona o dall'ente cui è
> >>> indirizzato. Se avete ricevuto questa e-mail per errore, siete pregati
> >>> di
> >>> eliminarla e di contattare il mittente (Legge italiana 196/2003).  The
> >>> content of this e-mail and any files is CONFIDENTIAL and intended
> >>> solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is
> addressed.
> >>> If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this email
> >>> and any attachments and contact the sender. (Italian Law 196/2003)
> >>>
> _
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> - Original Message - From: "Martin Shepherd" 
> >>> 
> >>> To: "Lute List" 
> >>> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 11:03 AM
> >>> Subject: [LUTE] How to make a lute in five minutes
> >>>
> >>>
>   (with a little help from Francis Cutting):
> 
>  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMBMGRcRbG0
> 
>  and considerable hindrance from Windows Movie Maker.
> 
>  Lots of questions about how to do "proper video" coming up
> 
> 
>  Best wishes,
> 
>  Martin
> 
> 
> 
>  To get on or off this list see list information at
>  http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> 
> 

[LUTE] Re: Re New Savarez harp strings?

[wolfgang wiehe]

I like them, too. In unisono on the 4th and 5th course on my renaissance
lute. 
W.
P.s. and if I remembered right in chemical analysis I found
fluoro-carbon

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im
Auftrag von wikla
Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Dezember 2010 22:06
An: Edward Martin
Cc: Martyn Hodgson; Lute List; Martin Shepherd
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Re New Savarez harp strings?



Used those for years - they last forever... Never noticed any
inconsistencies in diameters, neither any falsinesses in tuning. The
very thick ones doesn't sound good, though, in the for lute acceptable
tensions... No sharp starting tone like gut, lazyness in gaining the
volume, no "click" there in the touch - nice sound after that anyhow.
Under 130 or perhaps under 120 very ok. I also am very interested, if
this technology is nowadays offered also to thinner than 90 or so
diameters!

Best,

Arto

On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 14:15:19 -0600, Edward Martin 
wrote:
> I tried them years ago, but did not like them.  Tey are clear, and
> have some sort of a clear wrap over a carbon core.
> 
> I found them false, and in measuring diameters, they were
> inconsistent in their size, on the same string.
> 
> ed
> 
> At 07:45 AM 12/10/2010, Martyn Hodgson wrote:
> 
>>Thank you for this Martin and Anthony. These strings are
interesting
>>as
>>a further alternative to loaded, wire wound and the 'spring'
string;
>>especially for those with a large number of instruments to string.
>>
>> I looked into these Saverez KF strings some time ago (are you
sure
>>they're 'new' out?) and had reports at the time that they were
simply
>>PVF(carbon) strings like any other of the same ilk. I'd be
grateful
>>for
>>any clarification you can offer.
>>
>>Martin, you say they only become multi strand above 0.95mm dia but
in
>>Anthony's message he gives someone using thinner KF strings with
the
>>implication that they are these new multi-strand type.   'an
example
>>of
>>the stringing he uses on a lute or 7c Vihuela :   g' KFN33 - d'
KFN43
>>-
>>a KFN52 - f KFN66-33 - c KFN84 - 43,5 - G KFN 112  - 57 - F KFN126
-
>>62.'  Is it possible that the 'new' aspect of these KF strings are
>>that
>>Saverez now makes these multistrand strings at smaller diameters?
>>
>>What's the signoficance of the N in KFN? Does it mean new/nouveau
type
>>of KF strings?
>>
>>The Saverez website is next to useless only giving marketing blurb
and
>>lists of available sizes but says the strings are made from
'composite
>>fibres' which again implies that all sizes are multi strand. They
also
>>make the claim that they are new but perhaps they simply haven't
>>updated an old website?
>>
>>ALLIANCE KF COMPOSITE, Strings for harp
>>
>>A real innovation! This strings are manufactured from composites 
>>fibres
>>
>>A production which requires fine and sophisticated technologies
that
>>only Savarez could implement until now.
>>Thanks to the technologies, Savarez can produce strings which
>>geometrical qualities are perfect and which resist to the tensions
>>required by the harp. Many years of work and a focusing of
complicated
>>technologies were necessary to obtain such a result.
>>A long work on the molecules, some molecular relationships and the
>>rate
>>of "cristalinity" allow Savarez to obtain an elongation and an
>>elasticity identical to the ones of the gut.
>>The density of these strings is extremely close to the one of the
gut,
>>so the comparison takes more value. So though gut strings still
are
>>very popular, Alliance KF strings have a perfect alternative sound
for
>>those who wish to take profit of gut sound and synthetic strings
>>advantages.
>>
>>
>>--- On Fri, 10/12/10, Martin Shepherd  
>> wrote:
>>
>>  From: Martin Shepherd 
>>  Subject: [LUTE] Re: Re New Savarez harp strings?
>>  To: "Lute List" 
>>  Date: Friday, 10 December, 2010, 12:19
>>
>>Dear All,
>>I have been using these KF strings for some years.  The smallest
>>diameter is .95mm, but this is the equivalent of a gut string of
about
>>1.07mm.  The one I use is "KF95A", but I think the "A" just refers
to
>>the fact that it is a 2m length.  It works well as a 5th course on
a
>>renaissance lute (with an octave - I have not tried unison).  It
looks
>>more like a gut string, opaque rather than clear.  I have not
tried
>>the
>>thicker strings, but it seems that it might be worth a try - I
think
>>Jacob Heringman may have done so.
>>I think the next size down is .91mm, but it is a plain
monofilament
>>PVF
>>string.  I think some people are using them for a unison 5th
course.
>>Best wishes,
>>Martin
>>On 10/12/2010 10:05, Anthony Hind wrote:
>>> Dear Theo
>>>
>>>   Just recently on the French Lute list, Carlos Gonzales,
>>

[LUTE] Re: New Nylgut test as Chanterelle

[wolfgang wiehe]

my "new" nylgut arrived today. I ordered it last week from Mathias Wagner. It 
really looks like gut-strings.
greetings
w.
 Original-Nachricht 
> Datum: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 14:05:43 -0600
> Von: Edward Martin 
> An: Daniel Winheld , lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: New Nylgut test as Chanterelle

> Curtis, at Aquila USA.  I do not know if he has them in stock 
> yet.  Last time I heard from Curtis, he was still awaiting delivery 
> from Italy.  Remember, it often takes more than a month for mailing 
> something from Italy.  At least, that is my experience (when Mimmo 
> mails something from Italy, it takes it a long time for the package 
> to get out of Italy - sometimes a month - when it gets out of Italy, 
> it arrives soon).
> 
> ed
> 
> At 11:10 AM 12/19/2010, Daniel Winheld wrote:
> >Anyone know who is dealing the new Nylguts in North America?
> 
> 
> 
> Edward Martin
> 2817 East 2nd Street
> Duluth, Minnesota  55812
> e-mail:  e...@gamutstrings.com
> voice:  (218) 728-1202
> http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1660298871&ref=name
> http://www.myspace.com/edslute
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: The New NNG stock

[wolfgang wiehe]

Hi all,
Here my "new" lute-stringing-picture. NNG on 1th, 2th, 3th and on 6th
and 7th course. I am very pleased with the sound (and color, they are
not "text marker yellow").
Greetings
W.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/14868...@n04/5302436039/

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Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im
Auftrag von Ed Durbrow
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Dezember 2010 04:11
An: Anthony Hind; LuteNet list
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: The New NNG stock


De : Martin Shepherd <[1]mar...@luteshop.co.uk>
 It looks bright yellow!  The samples I have are more gut-coloured
 (though still a bit on the yellow side).

Martin

   Yes, I thought they were supposed to look like gut! On all three of
my
   screens those strings are so yellow they look like the proverbial
golf
   ball you cannot lose. :-) I guess that is a good thing for us old
   fogies. I don't want to lose a lute, and if I can't lose the
   strings
   On Dec 20, 2010, at 11:19 PM, Anthony Hind wrote:

 Mimmo sent me this photo of the first 10kg of his new NNG stock.
 [1][2]http://tinyurl.com/2fbro7h
 He hopes to do 100Kg today!
 Regards
 Anthony
 --
   References
 1. [3]http://tinyurl.com/2fbro7h
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   Saitama, Japan
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   [6]http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/

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References

   1. mailto:mar...@luteshop.co.uk
   2. http://tinyurl.com/2fbro7h
   3. http://tinyurl.com/2fbro7h
   4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
   5. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/
   6. http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/

[LUTE] Re: Josquin music for lute

[wolfgang wiehe]

Here is the list posted on our lute newsgroup:
http://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg28867.html
##
Dear David [and the lutenet]

I made a list of Josquin settings for lute some time ago and Arthur 
Ness suggested I shared it with you. It includes manuscript and 
printed sources. I have attached it as a Word document which I hope 
you can all open.

best wishes - John H Robinson


Lute intabulations of music by Josquin in prints and manuscripts
[John H Robinson, January 1997]
Manuscript sources:

Adieu mes amours
Adieu mes amours Munich 272 ff.52v-53
Adieu mes amours Wertheim Nr.6 pp.9-10
Benedicta
Benedicta es regina. VI vocum Josquin Berlin 40632 ff.8v-11
/ Per illiud ave II ditto
/ [Nunc mater exora natum: tertia pars] ditto
Benedicta es caelorum. 6 uocum Josquin Munich 267 ff.6v-8
/ Secunda pars Per illiud ave Duum ditto
/ Tertia Pars Nunc mater ditto
Benedicta Es Celorum prima pars Paris 429  ff.38v-43v
/ Per illu dave Secunta pars Paris 429  ff.44-45v
/ Nunc mater Tertia pars Paris 429  ff.46-47
Benedicta [Ness App.30] [Edin. Dc.5.125] Thistlethwaite  ff.47v-50
Benedicta es coelorum regina [Ness App.30] 
Thistlethwaite ff.81v-84
Chuor languor
Chuor languor Munich 266 ff.43v-44v
Circumdederunt
Circumd dederunt me 6 vocum Munich 266 ff.137v-138
Coment peult avoir Coment peult avoir
Coment peult avoir [Spinacino] Dallis pp.168-9
Cum sancto spiritu
Cum sancto spiritu [Missa de beata Virgine] Munich 272 ff.73v-74
Et in terra pax [Missa pange linqua]
Et in terra pax. Parte duna mesa. bela. Capirola (c.1517) p.129
Et resurrexit de lomo arme [Missa l'homme arme]
Et resurrexit de lomo arme. Parte duna mesa, bela, et bella 
*Capirola (c.1517) p.106
=46ors seulement [not in printed sources]
Forschalamendt Berlin 40632 ff.17v-18
For seulament [Gerle 1533<1>/41] Munich 272 ff.57v-58
Hec dicit dominus [not in printed sources]
Hec dicit do[min]us 6. Vocum Josquin Munich 267 ff.26v-27
In exitu Israell / Deus autem / Dominus memor
In exitu Israell der erst taill Munich 272 ff.82v-85
/ In exitu Israell der ander taill [2: Deus autem] ditto
/ In exitu Israell der drit taill [3: Dominus memor] ditto
Inviolata /  Nosta vt pura / O Beningna
Inviolata. Josquin quinque vocum Munich 267 ff.2v-4
/ Secunda Pars  Nosta vt pura ditto
/ Tertia Pars O Beningna ditto
Mille Regres
Mille Regres Munich 266 f.41
Mille Regres / mit 4 stimmen Sequitur Munich 272 f.47v
Mille regres Wroclaw 352 ff.54v-55v
cf. VIII Galliarda V[alentin?] B[akfark?] [parody - Peter 
Kir=E1ly] Basel F.IX.70 p.299
Plus mil Regres
Plus mil Regres Munich 266 ff.55-55v
Plus mil Regres / Ist zimlich gueth Munich 1511d ff.11v-12v
Preter Rerum
Preter Rerum mit 6 stimmen der erst taill Munich 272 ff.80v-82
Preter Rerum der ander taill mit 6 stimmen [2: Virtus 
sancti spiritus] ditto
Preter rerum seriem. 6 vocum Wroclaw 352 ff.3-5v
Qui habitat
Qui habitat 4or vocum Josquin Munich 267 ff.14v-17
/ Secunda Pars Non accedat ditto
Qui habitat der erst taill Munich 272 ff.77v-80
/ Qui habitat der ander tail [2: Non accedat] ditto
Qui habitat in adiutorio altissimi Iosquini Luneberg 1196 p.4
Qui tollis pechata mundi [Missa pange linqua]
Qui tollis pechata mundi. Parte duna mesa. e piu bela. 
Capirola (c.1517) p.132
Stabat Mater Dolorosa
V[alentin].B[akfark].Stabat Mater Dolorosa 5 Vocu: 
Berlin 40598 ff.150v-151
[Homolya&Benko 37]

Combined prints and manuscripts:

MASSES [more or less complete settings]:
Missa Ave Maris Stella [Benedictus]
Otra missa de Jusquin de ave maristella Pisador (1552)
cf. Fantasia acomposturada de cierta parte
de la missa de Ave maristella de Josquin 
Valderrabano (1547)
Missa Beata Virgine [Cum sancto spiritu]
  Otra missa de Jusquin de beata virgen Pisador (1552)
Missa Dicha [Credo]
Missa Fa Re Mi Re?
Otra missa de Jusquin que va sobre fa re mi re Pisador (1552)
Missa de Faysan Regres [Et in terra pax, Et incarnatus est]
Missa de Fortuna Desesperata [Benedictus, Pleni]
Missa de la Fuga [Cum sancto spiritu]
Otra missa de Jusquin de la fuga Pisador (1552)
Missa de Gaudeamus
Otra missa de Jusquin de gaudeamus Pisador (1552)
Missa de Hercules [Pleni sunt celi]
Missa de Jusquin, de Ercules dux ferrarie Pisador (1552)
Missa L'homme arme [Agnus dei, Et resurrexit?]
Otra missa  de super bozes musicales Jusquin,
  missa L'homme arme super voces musicales 
Pisador (1552)
Missa Misma
Missa Pange Lingua [Benedictus, Et in terra pax?]
Missa Sine Nomine [Cum sancto spiritu]
Missa de la Sol Fa Re Mi [Christe]
Missa sobre la sol fa re mi Pisador (1552)

INDIVIDUAL PARTS:
1. Absolon fili mi
Absolon fili mi Ochsenkun (1558)
2. Adieu mes amours
Adieu mes amours Spinacino (1507)
Adieu mes amours Gerle (1533)
Adiu mes amours Newsidler (1536)
   Adiu mes amours [again] Newsidler (1536)
Adiu mes amours Drusina (1556)
Adieu mes amours Munich 272 ff.52v-53
Adieu mes amours Wertheim Nr.6 pp.9-10
3. Agnus dei
Agnus dei (Missa L'homme arme) Valderrabano (1547)
Agnus dei de la mi

[LUTE] Re: Italian songs

[Wolfgang Wiehe]

Hello Helen,
Timo Peedu edited some frottole. You can find this at lute.ning:
http://lutegroup.ning.com/profile/TimoPeedu?xg_source=profiles_memberList
another source is Verdelot 1536 for voice and lute
and 
Verovio: Lodi della Musica (Roma, 1595) Madrigals for 3 voices and Lute
an edition is available from http://www.seicentomusic.de/

greetings
wolfgang


 Original-Nachricht 
> Datum: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:05:26 +
> Von: Martin Shepherd 
> An: Lute List 
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Italian songs

> Dear Helen,
> 
> I haven't heard the CD of which you speak, so I don't know which songs 
> they do.  Shirley Rumsey did a nice CD on Naxos many years ago which 
> might also be an inspiration (and her Spanish CD is very good too).
> 
> The two books of frottole published by Bossinensis in 1509 and 1511 are 
> not such a bad place to start.  Poems by Petrarch, music by Tromboncino 
> and Cara, nice stuff.  The only downside is I'm not sure any modern 
> editions have been done, though as far as I know the facsimiles are 
> still available.  I can send you copies of a few songs in my own 
> handwritten edition if you like.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Martin
> 
> On 20/01/2011 06:36, helen.atkin...@wordstone.co.uk wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > I'm wondering if there is much Italian Renaissance song repertoire
> available with written out tablature accompaniment. I'm particularly inspired 
> by
> the material on Julianne Baird and Ronn McFarlane's CD (The Italian Lute
> Song).
> >
> > Any advice on this would be gratefully received.
> >
> > Helen
> >
> >
> >
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[LUTE] Re: Holbein painting - precision and accuracy

[wolfgang wiehe]

There is a very instructive study about this picture:
Susan foister et al.: making & meaning / holbein´s ambassadors. National 
gallary company, london & yale university press. 2001.


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von Jaroslaw Lipski
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. Februar 2011 23:02
An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Holbein painting - precision and accuracy


Anthony,

I agree, it is possible that Holbein painted the ambassador's lute. 
However, there is some inconsistency in the way he treated details. Some 
of them are very accurate (like the music), some are not (the globe). On 
the other hand we don't know who was wrong Holbein or the drawing on the 
globe (they didn't have computers then and we don't know who was a 
cartographer). If he was able to depict proportions of string gauges, 
then why suddenly he lost all his patience while painting the bridge 
holes ? One can see that he used very small diameter brushes, so there 
wouldn't have been any problem, had he seen proper size holes on the 
lute. Maybe he was not a lute expert, but I think he just saw big holes 
on the instrument. What was the history of that instrument?. Maybe the 
owner changed stringing for lighter one, but it's difficult to imagine 
such a thick gut to fit the hole on 6c and to sound reasonably well. 
Hmmreally makes me wonder. All best

Jaroslaw


W dniu 2011-02-09 16:02, Anthony Hind pisze:
> Yes of course you are right about the painting not necessarily being 
> accurate. Although Val's arguments seem rather good to make us think 
> it was the ambassador's lute.
>
> Generally, I think lute makers use as small a hole as they can get 
> away with (at least they seem to do so now). Whenever I have changed 
> to a thicker string types (change of pitch diapason, for example) I 
> have had to have the hole widened. Lute makers don't seem to allow for 
> this. I suppose the smaller the hole, the stronger the bridge? 
> Although, the larger the number of courses and the bigger the basses, 
> the more important that would become, perhaps?
>
> So I suppose the thinness of the strings in relation to the holes 
> doesn't make much sense. You are right that at least on later Baroque 
> lutes th small size of the holes has been used to argue for loaded 
> strings, but possibly not on a lute like this. I wonder?
> Anthony
>
>
>
>
>
>
> - Message d'origine 
> De : Jarosław Lipski
> À : "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu"
> Envoyé le : Mer 9 février 2011, 12h 18min 24s
> Objet : [LUTE] Re: Holbein painting - precision and accuracy
>
> I wonder to what extent we can rely on painter's accuracy...e.g.. big 
> bridge holes. As far as I can remember it was said that the evidence 
> suggests narrow BH which was to support the loaded strings theory. On 
> Holbein's painting we have enormous holes in comparison to the string 
> gauges on the lute. Would a painter bother about realistic hole 
> diameter ? The same with high action. No one could examine that lute 
> if it was playable, or was a professional instrument.or maybe it 
> was just a prop. On the other hand one of my lutes have an equal 
> fretting and is very easy to play.
>
> JL
>
>
> W dniu 2011-02-09 09:49, Martyn Hodgson pisze:
>>  Dear Anthony,
>>
>>  Thanks for this. On further reflection some other aspects come 
>> to mind:
>>
>>  1. Most particularly, the difference between precision (the number of
>>  significant figures to which something is measured) and accuracy (how
>>  near the measurement is to the object being measured). For example a
>>  lute treble (of notional diameter, say, 0.49mm) may be given with a
>>  measurement of 4.8743215689mm, which is certainly very precise (to 1 in
>>  10,000millionth) but very inaccurate, or with a diameter of 0.5mm,
>>  which is much more accurate but not very precise.
>>  In the context of Holbein's wonderful painting, this may be translated
>>  as saying that he represented items with great precision but, perhaps,
>>  not always quite accurately. Thus, for example, the frets seem very
>>  finely executed but perhaps the graduation was not anything that
>>  bothered him (or his assistant). Other features which we find
>>  troubling/interesting (eg strings coming off the top of the bridge, nut
>>  rebate) may also be painted with great precision but maybe not with
>>  total accuracy
>>
>>  2. Leaving this idea aside and my earlier speculation that equal frets
>>  might be an attempt to counter a lifting neck or to make a Bray
>>  harp-like sound (Capirola), we should not overlook the possibility that
>>  fretting in the England in the early 16th century WAS of equal size:
>>  the likely repertoire might not be so virtuosic as to demand the finest
>>  set (lowest 'action') to the lute (as Dowland and later 
>> required).
>>
>>  Martyn
>>
>>
>>  --- O

[LUTE] AW: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Re: Wandervögel Songs

[wolfgang wiehe]

Hello,
I just scanned a wonderful small "Wandervogel Lautenbuch" from 1913. It
is by Alfred Kurella (see: wikipedia), who was later a functionary in
the GDR. You can download the pdf-file (22 mb)here:
http://www.mediafire.com/?dxceoidm4p4xfmi 
Greetings
wolfgang



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Auftrag von mathias.roe...@t-online.de
Gesendet: Sonntag, 20. März 2011 11:27
An: A. J. Ness; Lute List
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Re: Wandervögel Songs


You'll have all the tunes and lyrics from this edition, at least. But
these are adaptations for the keyboard, definitely no more feasible on
the lute.

Quite a few copies of Der Zupfgeigenhandel are still floating around (
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_Zupfgeigenhansl ), why not take one of
those.

Mathias



 > Some of you may be interested in this collection in several volumes
> with hundreds of songs (alas arranged for piano, but originally for  >
lute-guitar):  > 
 > [1]http://hdl.handle.net/1802/14257
 > 
 > Publication Name: Was die Wandervögel singen ... für  >
Klavier bearbeitet und herausgegeben von Hermann Krome. Illustriert  >
von Paul Telemann. Band I-IV.  > Arranger:Krome, Hermann (1888 - 1955)
> 
 > Is anyone out there interested in  this repertory?  Roman?

 > References
 > 
 > 1. http://hdl.handle.net/1802/14257




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[LUTE] re-intabulations

[wolfgang wiehe]

   hello collective wisdom,

   some of you know, that I'm mad for old books. some years ago, I bought
   "Denkmaeler der Tonkunst in Oesterreich - Band 37: Oesterreichische
   Lautenmusik im XVI. Jahrhundert" from the year 1959. I think the
   book is from an estate of a lute player. inside are english annotaions
   and a handful of re-intabulations from the staff notations of lute
   music: some dances by judenkunig, newsidler (f.e. wascha mesa), bakfark
   and some fragments. I think, he or she was a skilled player. someone
   knows the hand?  I scanned the re-intabulations:

   [1]http://www.mediafire.com/?p63td7e7nu07ja3



   greetings

   w.





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References

   1. http://www.mediafire.com/?p63td7e7nu07ja3


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[LUTE] Re: Foscarini Experience

[Wolfgang Wiehe]

http://www.myspace.com/thefoscariniexperience/music
music, pictures

 Original-Nachricht 
> Datum: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 22:08:46 +0100
> Von: Stuart Walsh 
> An: Monica Hall 
> CC: Lutelist 
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Foscarini Experience

> On 31/03/2011 19:53, Monica Hall wrote:
> > I came across this CD  by the group Foscarini Experience with the
> title
> > "Bon voyage" some time ago.
> 
> 
> I looked around to see if I could hear some of the tracks as samples. 
> Couldn't find anything but I did find an album by 'Private Musicke' (who 
> played at Edinburgh last year with an opera singer) and there are some 
> samples from this album, Echo de Paris:
> 
> http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Accent/ACC24173#listen
> 
> It's interesting that the one solo of Corbetta's and the several of 
> Bartolotti are played actually as solos - very fluently (but perhaps, at 
> the gushing rather than the pinched, end of the spectrum) whereas 
> Foscarini (and Briceno) get a complete makeover. Actually playing 
> through Foscarini you struggle to find anything musically coherent at 
> all - but on this album, his (ahem) music  bursts forth as colourful, 
> radiant and beguilingly tuneful.
> 
> 
> Stuart
> 
> 
> 
> >  In the liner notes it mentions an
> > illustration which features Foscarini on a wagon playing the lute
> > together with a girl with a triangle and a violone player which
> > apparently dates from 1615 and is part of an illustration of a 
> feast
> > held for the Archduchess Isabella Clara Eugenia, the wife of the
> > Archduke Albert.
> >
> >
> >
> > Does anyone know anything about this illustration and whether the
> > lutenist is clearly identified as Foscarini.  I have done a bit of
> > surfing the net but haven't found any trace of it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Monica
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
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> 

[LUTE] Re: [LUTE]

[Wolfgang Wiehe]

http://www.shipbrook.com/jeff/bookshelf/index.html?sort=bysubject
see und music 
greetings
w.
 Original-Nachricht 
> Datum: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 15:25:55 +0400
> Von: "Константин Щеников" 
> An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Betreff: [LUTE]

> Dear friends lutenists!
> Anyone can share Thomas Robinson "The Schoole of Musicke"? Or give please
> the link where i can download it.
> Thanks a lot in advance!
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Leonhard Lechner 1577

[Wolfgang Wiehe]

hi friends, I´m searching for "so wuensch ich ihr ein gute nacht", Leonhard 
Lechner: neue teutsche lieder. 1577. this is the vocal source for mertel´s 
wonderful variations of this song. Can someone help me out with a copy? 
greetings from springtime
wolfgang



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[LUTE] Re: Pictorially very off topic

[wolfgang wiehe]

I am mad for photos, too. Here some of mine (>6000) ;-)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/14868225@N04/
And in combination with my lute
http://www.youtube.com/user/wiwocb#p/a/u/2/JxZifU8l35o
Greetings
W.

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Auftrag von Rob MacKillop
Gesendet: Sonntag, 6. November 2011 22:08
An: Edward Mast
Cc: Lute
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Pictorially very off topic


   I like your photos, Arto. And while we are at it, here are some of
   mine:

[1]https://picasaweb.google.com/117536826456517121171/Landscapes1
   Made the mistake of looking in a photography shop yesterday. One
could
   easily spend the price of a theorbo on a camera. And the lenses are
   extra!

   Rob

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References

   1. https://picasaweb.google.com/117536826456517121171/Landscapes1


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[LUTE] Re: Pictorially very off topic

[wolfgang wiehe]

thanks dan & edward!
this piece of music comes directly from my heart. I found it some years
ago in the wroclav ms 352. isn´t it nice? It took my attention by its
"broken style" structure and I think it´s from marco dall aquila or
directly influenced by him.I wrote a little paper of all "in te domine"
intabulations for the LSA quaterly some years ago.
recently paul o´dette did a recording of marco dall aquila with this
piece at the of his cd (did he read my paper???).
greetings
Wolfgang

p.s. you can download my paper at:
http://www.esnips.com/displayimage.php?album=710702&pid=5879774#top_disp
lay_media
 
I use nylgut on my 7-c-lute. my lute was built by renatus lechner in
2003, a wonderful instrument (after gerle)
the woodcuts are from a decamerone-print of 1542 by giolito/venezia,
which I owned.





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[LUTE] Re: TRe: Montserrat Figueras

[wolfgang wiehe]

Sad, very sad. With 69 years.
I didn´t know how often I heard her "canti della sibilla"
W.

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Auftrag von Sauvage Valéry
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An: 'Lute List'
Betreff: [LUTE] TRe: Montserrat Figueras



This is a very sad day...
A most beautiful woman, voice and soul.
 

-Message d'origine-
De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la
part de Edward Mast Envoyé : mercredi 23 novembre 2011 20:46 À : Bruno
Fournier Cc : Garry Warber; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Objet : [LUTE] Re:
Montserrat Figueras

Sad indeed - an exciting performer.
On Nov 23, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Bruno Fournier wrote:

> Atlthough off topic, sad day for early music today, Monserat Figueras
passed away.
>  
> Bruno Cognyl-Fournier
> Montreal
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 


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[LUTE] Re: TRe: Montserrat Figueras

[wolfgang wiehe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COiHGmTaUT8

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An: 'Sauvage Valéry'; 'Lute List'
Betreff: AW: [LUTE] TRe: Montserrat Figueras


Sad, very sad. With 69 years.
I didn´t know how often I heard her "canti della sibilla"
W.

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An: 'Lute List'
Betreff: [LUTE] TRe: Montserrat Figueras



This is a very sad day...
A most beautiful woman, voice and soul.
 

-Message d'origine-
De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la
part de Edward Mast Envoyé : mercredi 23 novembre 2011 20:46 À : Bruno
Fournier Cc : Garry Warber; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Objet : [LUTE] Re:
Montserrat Figueras

Sad indeed - an exciting performer.
On Nov 23, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Bruno Fournier wrote:

> Atlthough off topic, sad day for early music today, Monserat Figueras
passed away.
>  
> Bruno Cognyl-Fournier
> Montreal
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 


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[LUTE] Re: anyone who can re-fret a lute: North London/South Midlands?

[Wolfgang Wiehe]

This knot works very fine, and it´s easy, really easy to realize!
try it!
w.
 Original-Nachricht 
> Datum: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:08:23 +
> Von: Peter Martin 
> An: WALSH STUART 
> CC: lutelist Net 
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: anyone who can re-fret a lute: North London/South 
> Midlands?

>These are the instructions that I use - clear, and with pictures!
> 
>[1]http://www.wadsworth-lutes.co.uk/frets.htm
> 
>Peter
>On 11 March 2013 21:18, WALSH STUART <[2]s.wa...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> 
>  I've looked at David Van Edwards' diagram a million times. There's a
>  youtube video of someone putting frets on lute: I've watched it many
>  times.
>  I just cannot do it... and never have been able to. I don't
>  understand the knot and I don't understand the method. I've got
>  masking tape plastered all over the place and the frets are still
>  loose and buzzing.
>  Oddly I can do double frets with nylon but I don't want them on a
>  decent lute. A famed maker in North London quickly re-fretted my
>  lute in about 10 minutes a couple of years ago but he doesn't reply
>  to emails and obviously can't be bothered with such menial work. My
>  lute is currently unplayable.
>  Anyone know anyone who would do it?
>  Stuart
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> References
> 
>1. http://www.wadsworth-lutes.co.uk/frets.htm
>2. mailto:s.wa...@ntlworld.com
>3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>4. mailto:peter.l...@gmail.com
> 

[LUTE] Re: Tempo, magnitude and precision.

[Wolfgang Wiehe]

   Hi,
   my opinion: dance music is the only genre in renaissance music with a
   strict pulse (that makes it so difficult for me to play it  :-) )
   w.
   Gesendet: Dienstag, 09. April 2013 um 04:37 Uhr
   Von: "Miles Dempster" 
   An: "lutelist Net" 
   Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Tempo, magnitude and precision.
   Hello Tobiah,
   Einstein established that time (and space) is affected by gravity.
   Just think of travelling through a musical piece where its emotional
   gravity constantly changes. It will speed up and down accordingly, but
   the metre will remain the same.
   Just a thought.
   Miles
   On 2013-04-08, at 10:26 PM, Bruno Correia wrote:
   > Hello Tobiah,
   >
   > How absolute metric time could have been acheived in the Renaissance?
   > The tactus was a constant pulse behind the rhythm, but it was an
   > organic motion not a strict measured time like a metronome.
   > Actually, the only genre of music (which comes to my mind) that
   really
   > plays in time is pop music... How do we know they valued absolute
   > strict time in the Renaissance?
   >
   > I've heard it expressed by one professor, that
   > absolute metric time was desired during the Renaissance.
   >
   > 2013/4/8 Tobiah <[1]t...@tobiah.org>
   >
   > I sometimes struggle with the desire to warp the
   > tempo of a lute piece, to accentuate a beautiful
   > or pivotal phrase, or to keep myself interested
   > during a more mundane passage.
   > I've heard it expressed by one professor, that
   > absolute metric time was desired during the Renaissance.
   > I also remember the notion that rubato, in the romantic
   > period, was just a way of lending or borrowing time
   > in such a way that the same piece played straight through
   > at a constant tempo would end at the same time as the
   > performance where rubato was performed.
   > All of this is bait for discussion, but also a precursor
   > to a main query. I attempted to play along with a youtube
   > video of a fellow playing Francesco, and found that it
   > was impossible to do; he took wild liberties with the
   > tempo at every whim (either that or I can't play in time!).
   > I wanted to hear some comment on that aspect of the performance,
   > as well as on any other point I have raised.
   > Thanks!
   > Tobiah
   > [2][1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y837TG7FgFM
   > To get on or off this list see list information at
   > [3][2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
   >
   > --
   > Bruno Correia
   >
   > Pesquisador autonomo da pratica e interpretac,ao
   > historicamente informada no alaude e teorba.
   > Doutor em Praticas Interpretativas pela
   > Universidade Federal do Estado do Rio de Janeiro.
   >
   > --
   >
   > References
   >
   > 1. mailto:t...@tobiah.org
   > 2. [3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y837TG7FgFM
   > 3. [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
   >

References

   1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y837TG7FgFM
   2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
   3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y837TG7FgFM
   4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Bare spot on soundboard.

[Wolfgang Wiehe]

   not dirt! it's patina!

   Gesendet: Montag, 28. Juli 2014 um 15:21 Uhr
   Von: "Matthew Daillie" 
   An: "Herbert Ward" 
   Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Bare spot on soundboard.
   This is inevitable and is part of the life of the lute. The more worn
   it is, the more it shows you've been practicing! After a few years, the
   soundboards of the instruments of some professional players can look as
   though they are going to develop a hole where the little finger rests,
   but I've never seen that actually happen.
   If you wash your hands before you play and keep the fingernail of your
   little finger short, then you have absolutely nothing to worry about. I
   wouldn't attempt to try any sort of patching of the finish, it will
   probably just make things worse. If the soundboard is dirty you can try
   using a plastic (not rubber) eraser but you have to be very careful not
   to apply any pressure and to go along the grain of the wood.
   In time you probably won't even notice that there is a mark where your
   little finger rests and if you do, you might actually grow to like it!.
   Best,
   Matthew
   On 27 juil. 2014, at 22:51, Herbert Ward 
   wrote:
   > I've worn a spot on the soundboard with my RH pinkie.
   > The bare wood is starting to show through the finish.
   > Should I do anything?
   >
   >
   >
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References

   1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Neusidler

[Wolfgang Wiehe]

   Carsten Timpe edited 12 german dances in french tab. you can get them
   from tree-edition.
   http://www.tree-edition.com
   Neusidler, Melchior 12 German dances (with their Hupffauff) Timpe,
   Carsten Ren. Lute French 25,00 EUR

   Gesendet: Donnerstag, 19. Februar 2015 um 05:15 Uhr
   Von: "Daniel F. Heiman" 
   An: "'Dan Winheld'" , "'sterling price'"
   , "'Lutelist Net'" 
   Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Neusidler
   I should correct this to say that there are several links there to his
   1574
   publication in German tablature and to both the Primo libro and secondo
   libro from 1566 in Italian tablature.
   Jason Kortis has been kind enough to transcribe the whole Primo libro
   into
   Fronimo format so you can print it out in whichever format you wish.
   That
   is here:
   [1]https://xa.yimg.com/df/Fronimo_editor/M.+Newsidler+Libro+Primo+1566.
   zip
   Regards,
   Daniel Heiman
   -Original Message-
   From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On
   Behalf
   Of Daniel F. Heiman
   Sent: 18 February, 2015 21:48
   To: 'Dan Winheld'; 'sterling price'; 'Lutelist Net'
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Neusidler
   Dan:
   There are several places you can download digital facsimiles of
   Melchior
   Neusidler's publications in German tablature. There are links on the
   "Digital Facsimiles" page of the LSA site:
   [2]http://bit.ly/KWa5XB
   Regards.
   Daniel
   -Original Message-
   From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On
   Behalf
   Of Dan Winheld
   Sent: 18 February, 2015 19:20
   To: sterling price; Lutelist Net
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Neusidler
   Me too- but I would take German tab. rather than nothing at all.
   More thanks-
   Dan
   On 2/18/2015 4:34 PM, sterling price wrote:
   > Hi--I am looking for a version of the Teutch Lautenbuch of Melchior
   > Neusidler that is in something other than German Tab. Or do I need to
   > go ahead and try to learn to read German Tab?
   > Thanks all,
   > Sterling
   >
   > --
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   >
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References

   1. https://xa.yimg.com/df/Fronimo_editor/M.+Newsidler+Libro+Primo+1566.zip
   2. http://bit.ly/KWa5XB
   3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Carbon strings

[wolfgang wiehe]

I used them on the 4th and since some time on the 5th course in unisono
(wounded copper before, terrible!), on the 6th and 7th as octaves and i
am very pleased.
W.

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Von: Bruno Correia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Gesendet: Samstag, 9. Juni 2007 03:48
An: LuteNet list
Betreff: [LUTE] Carbon strings


Does anybody in the list use carbon strings? I changed my nylgut set for
carbon but I'm experiencing some troubles with the second course.
Sometimes when I play, both strings get too  close on the fingerboard,
resulting in a bad tone. The first and second courses are very thin,
0.37 and 0.41respectively, my lute has 59 cm of string lenght. Is it OK
for the first course to be a little over 4 kg? Is there anything to help
to get a better grip on the string since carbon has a very smooth
surface?

Regards.

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[LUTE] Re: Carbon strings

[wolfgang wiehe]

Maybe that gut is the best choice, but i tend to wet fingertips so gut
is terrible. I tried nylgut, it has a good sound, but with wet
fingertips nylgut on the 1th and 2th  tends to squeak, when i play it.
So my combination is nylon on 1th to 3th, carbon on 4th and 5th and a
combination of copperwounded nylgut and carbon on 6th and 7th.
W.
P.s. and i heard wet fingertips are not my problem alone



-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: ariel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Gesendet: Samstag, 9. Juni 2007 11:29
An: LuteNet list; Bruno Correia
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Carbon strings




>
> Better: change to gut and start playing lute.
>
> David
>
>

I'll email Paul O'Dette and Hoppy Smith right away and tell them that,
so 
they can finally start playing the lute and not the funny toy they've
been 
using for ages. I'll forward the info to Eugène Ferré, who's also quite 
naive and seem to be very bad informed.


Bruno,

We've been here before.

Nylgut are more flexible in terms of what you can do with them. They're 
reasonable stable, and last quite a lot. For my taste, the best
synthetic 
option.
Carbon are difficult to deal with for people with oversensitive skin,
but 
their sound can be very interesting.
It is always difficult to be conclusive, as some people make an
excellent 
sound with every type of string, and some other would blame the string
and 
wouldn't question themselves.
There're cases of people satisfied with a mediocre and poor sound
claming 
how good they and their strings are, but I wouldn't worry about them. As
carbon and nylgut are affordable, try both, play them for a while, and 
you will make your choice.
While it is true that different strings feel different and of course
sound 
different, it is mostly the plucking technique what defines your sound 
quality.
Working on tone production is the answer. Then you can make your choice.
I 
guess you know all this.
Some player will say that there's a difference in developing a sound for
gut 
or for synthetic, but this is not fully correct.
I've used both, and they both require serious and constant training. 
There're no different techniques for one and the other. Hear someone
like 
O'Dette playing a gut strung instrument and then a synthetic one.
Leaving 
apart the taste, there will be no difference in the technique used.

For a 6 course (or even a 8 course) lute or vihuela  I'd choose gut
basses, 
or at least try to avoid overspun strings, but again I wouldn't claim
that's 
the only option to make things work properly.
You can always train your fingers so they do exactly what you want to
hear.

Ariel.





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[LUTE] WG: vestiva i colli

[wolfgang wiehe]

thank you very much hera.
a wonderful page and here is the link for the facsimile collection:
http://www.diegocantalupi.it/
-> intvolatura
cordial greetings!
w.
 
 
-Ursprungliche Nachricht-
Von: hera caius [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Gesendet: Montag, 11. Juni 2007 19:22
An: wolfgang wiehe
Betreff: Re: [LUTE] vestiva i colli



I remember that on Diego Cantalupi's site is a pdf of the entire
Caravaggio programm, a few of the pieces are facsimiles. I think I've
seen there a version of Vestiva...Palestrina intabulated for lute. Good
luck!
I dont have the adress but I think is easy to find on Yahoo or Google
search.
wolfgang wiehe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

hi, i just got marco pesci's "lorencino del liuto" cd and was very
pleased to hear the "vestiva i colli" intabulation, cause some days ago
i started to play the version found in the raimondo ms and i like it
very much. unfortunately i have no copy of the lorenzino version from
the besard print. has someone a fronimo or pdf file of it and share it
with me? 
thanks
wolfgang



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[LUTE] Re: BBC Early Music Show this week

[wolfgang wiehe]

Hi,
If someone is interested in this, i recorded it and the Saturday early
music show with music of the court of henry VII as mp3 files in my
gmx-media center.
Greetings
Wolfgang


-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Chris Bolton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Gesendet: Sonntag, 1. Juli 2007 22:32
An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Betreff: [LUTE] BBC Early Music Show this week


*Sunday 01 July 2007
13:00
*

A Musical Banquet: Catherine Bott introduces a selection of music by
John Dowland and his contemporaries, performed by tenor Mark Padmore
with lutenist Elizabeth Kenny.

It is only online for a week so enjoy it while you can.


Regards,

Chris Bolton

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[LUTE] from the "wartburg"

[wolfgang wiehe]

today  music for the 800th anniversary of the holy elisabeth von thueringen 
with IOCUALTORES and others.
greetings from cottbus
wolfgang 


http://www.dradio.de/dkultur/sendungen/konzert/639476/
-> livestream
 



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[LUTE] Re: Hexachords

[wolfgang wiehe]

if i remember right,the german lute-pedagogues judenkunig, newsidler and gerle 
wrote about the hexacord system in context to the lute.
wolfgang
 Original-Nachricht 
Datum: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:10:28 +0100
Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
An: Caroline Usher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Hexachords

> Dear Caroline,
> If you mean historical sources, you need
> Morley's 'Plaine and Easie Introduction to
> Practical Music,' or John Dowland's English
> translation of the 'Micrologous' of Andreas
> Ornithoparchus. The latter is (or was) available
> in facsimile, I think from Dover editions, and the
> former is available in a modern edition. Sorry I
> don't have more details to hand at the moment.
> Both are essential reading for Renaissance music
> theory.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Denys
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Quoting Caroline Usher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > Supposing one wanted to learn the fundamentals of music as it was taught
> > in the 16th century, starting with the gamut and hexachords.  Are there 
> > any sources which approach this pedagogically?  There is an admirably 
> > thorough explanation of the theory at 
> > http://www.medieval.org/emfaq/harmony/hex.html, but how would one put it
> > into practice?
> > 
> > Much thanks for any suggestions,
> > Caroline
> > 
> > P.S.  Who's going to Vancouver next week?  I'm arriving at 10:58pm on 
> > Saturday evening--anyone want to share a cab to Green College?
> > 
> > -- 
> > Caroline Usher, Dept. of Biology
> > Box 90338
> > Durham NC 27708
> > 613-8155, fax 660-7293
> > "So that its subjects will view it with admiration, as a chicken which
> has
> > the daring and courage to boldly cross the road, but also with fear, for
> who
> > among them has the strength to contend with such a paragon of avian
> virtue?
> > In such a manner is the princely chicken's dominion maintained." -
> > Machiavelli
> > 
> > 
> > 
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[LUTE] Re: Wascha mesa, olim Amps or no Amps

[wolfgang wiehe]

By the way: You´ll find the wascha mesa in a more elaborated version in
the lutebook of stefan craus under the name "paduana" "(saltarello)" and
"piva", this clearly shows the italian origin.
Greetings 
wolfgang


-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: "Mathias Rösel" [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Gesendet: Montag, 8. Oktober 2007 20:28
An: Lutelist
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Wascha mesa, olim Amps or no Amps


"Anthony Hind" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> Did the Germanic people call all speakers of other languages *walah 
> =20 or  "foreigner" , or did a word referring to Gallic speaking =20 
> neighbours become genaralised to refer to all foreigners. There is 
> absolutely no way of finding this out. Anthony

There is, if you don't mind. Wikipedia sometimess is a reliable start.
There are textbooks. And dictionaries like Bros. Grimm for which there
certainly is an equivalent in English. In 1536 Nuremberg, the word
Welsch meant first and foremost Italian, but also French. Wascha mesa
certainly is a passemezzo (antico?). In his 1540 editon, Hans Newsidler
offered welsche tentz die seer gut seind (welsche dances that are very
good), actually being intabulations of French motets. The word welsch
was ringing with a bad enough twang during the 16th and 17th centuries
in German speaking countries, there was a strong tendency to be
suspicious against Italy on political grounds. According to the general
conspiracy theory, Welsche (ancient Romans, Italians etc) had always
wanted to put their yoke on Germanic shoulders. You might want to
compare Melchior Newsidler's preface to his 1574 edition, where he seeks
to avert suspicion he took sides with Italians because he published his
music in Italian tablature first.
-- 
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[LUTE] Re: Looking for new tuner + computers

[wolfgang wiehe]

right arto! no modern mechanics on our lutes. only wood, glue and nylgut 
strings :-)
w.

 Original-Nachricht 
> Datum: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:17:12 +0100
> Von: "Narada" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> An: [EMAIL PROTECTED], lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Looking for new tuner + computers

> I think I'll stick a couple of Gibson Humbuckers on mine - chrome of
> course
> - and then replace those silly nylon frets with metal ones, at least metal
> frets don't move ;-)
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 16 October 2007 11:26
> To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Looking for new tuner + computers
> 
> 
>  > As peg technology improves and geared lute pegs make their appearance 
> perhaps we
>  > will have auto-tuning pegs containing nano-motors and wireless
> receivers
>  > that respond to reference signals sent out with the time signals.!
> 
> Oh, no! Save our lutes from modern technology   ;-)
> 
> Arto
> 
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Denss facsimile

[wolfgang wiehe]

Hello,
you can order it via seicento
http://www.seicentomusic.de/
3623  Denss, AdrianFlorilegium omnis...(1594)   48,00 €
Greetings
wolfgang






-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Richard Corran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Gesendet: Sonntag, 28. Oktober 2007 09:17
An: Andrea Damiani; Lute Net
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Denss facsimile


I have a facsimile published by Dr. Bernd Chr. Becker, Koln, 1994.   
It wasn't expensive - in fact really very cheap, but is clear and  
based on the copy in the Stadt- und Universitatsbibliothek Koln, 1an  
WC II 3.What I can't find, quickly, is his address.   Can anyone  
else help?

Richard Corran

On 27 Oct 2007, at 16:14, Andrea Damiani wrote:

> Hello,
> I am trying to find a complete facsimile of Adrian Denss
> Florilegium (I have the selection from TREE ed). Anybody can help me?
> Thanks, Andrea
>
>
>
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[LUTE] Re: How Common

[wolfgang wiehe]

hey,
some times ago i found a lute playing donkey in an antiquarian book: Rabener: 
Satiren, 1754.
IAIAIAIAI
see it on my flickr-page:
http://flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
wolfgang
 Original-Nachricht 
> Datum: 29 Oct 2007 12:43 GMT
> Von: "Mathias Rösel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> An: "Lutelist" 
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: How Common

> "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> > That was not the only lute-donkey relationship on record. Let's not
> forget 
> > this:
> > http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/grimm144.html
> 
> Beautiful, didn't know it. Any idea how come this steady connection
> between donkeys and lutes?
> -- 
> Best,
> 
> Mathias
> 
> 
> > > the memory of what a lute might be, is especially vivid in the town
> > > where I live because of a famous tale bearing the town's name in it,
> > > that you will possibly know. The town is Bremen, and I'm speaking of
> the
> > > Bremen Town Musicians (Bremer Stadtmusikanten), i. e. a donkey, a dog,
> a
> > > cat and a cock. Remember the instrument that the donkey plays? Yepp,
> > > correct, that's it. >B)
> > >
> > > In its established form, the tale was collected by Bros. Grimm, at a
> > > time when what are now considered HIP lutes were no more played.
> > > Instead, those ineffable, *coughs*, wandervogels were what people had
> in
> > > minds when they said "lute", because those were widely played.
> > > -- 
> > > Best wishes,
> > >
> > > Mathias
> > >
> > > "Luca Manassero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> > >> Hi Mathias,
> > >>
> > >> I love this anwer...
> > >>
> > >> Last year I went to the Fondazione Querini Stampalia in Venice with
> my
> > >> lute and  group of boys asked me what I had in my case with that
> strange
> > >> shape. I said: "A renaissance lute". After a second I heard one of
> that
> > >> group whispering to somebody else "must be a wind instrument..."
> > >> I often experience that in Italy, especially in the so-called "art
> > >> cities" (Città d'arte) you lute pictures in every church, LOTS of
> them.
> > >> But nobody knwos what a lute is, anymore. In Germany, maybe thanks to
> > >> your Wandervoegel, if somedody asks you what you carry in your case
> and
> > >> you happen to answer "a lute", well, most of the time people knows.
> > >>
> > >> So sometimes it's better to let a "not so precise" simulation of an
> > >> instrument to survive, instead of being correctly purist, but have
> 100
> > >> people in the whole country informed the lute...
> > >>
> > >> Ciao,
> > >>
> > >> Luca
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Mathias Rösel on 28-10-2007 14:21 wrote:
> > >> > "Joshua E. Horn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> > >> >
> > >> >> How common are six string lutes like this one?:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/Kay/lute12.jpg
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> > Most members of the HIP community do not consider that instrument a
> > >> > lute. I'm notorious enough to dissent, so may I put it short.
> > >> > Yes, that kind of lute is widespread outside the HIP comm, e. g.
> where 
> > >> > I
> > >> > live (Germany), and it is often heard in public at reenactment 
> > >> > occasions
> > >> > and revival-medieval market places. There are even theorboed types 
> > >> > (four
> > >> > or six extra bass strings), but not as widespread as the 6str type.
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: How Common

[wolfgang wiehe]

hey,
some times ago i found a lute playing donkey in an antiquarian book: Rabener: 
Satiren, 1754.
IAIAIAIAI
see it on my flickr-page:
http://flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
wolfgang
 Original-Nachricht 
> Datum: 29 Oct 2007 12:43 GMT
> Von: "Mathias Rösel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> An: "Lutelist" 
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: How Common

> "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> > That was not the only lute-donkey relationship on record. Let's not
> forget 
> > this:
> > http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/grimm144.html
> 
> Beautiful, didn't know it. Any idea how come this steady connection
> between donkeys and lutes?
> -- 
> Best,
> 
> Mathias
> 
> 
> > > the memory of what a lute might be, is especially vivid in the town
> > > where I live because of a famous tale bearing the town's name in it,
> > > that you will possibly know. The town is Bremen, and I'm speaking of
> the
> > > Bremen Town Musicians (Bremer Stadtmusikanten), i. e. a donkey, a dog,
> a
> > > cat and a cock. Remember the instrument that the donkey plays? Yepp,
> > > correct, that's it. >B)
> > >
> > > In its established form, the tale was collected by Bros. Grimm, at a
> > > time when what are now considered HIP lutes were no more played.
> > > Instead, those ineffable, *coughs*, wandervogels were what people had
> in
> > > minds when they said "lute", because those were widely played.
> > > -- 
> > > Best wishes,
> > >
> > > Mathias
> > >
> > > "Luca Manassero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> > >> Hi Mathias,
> > >>
> > >> I love this anwer...
> > >>
> > >> Last year I went to the Fondazione Querini Stampalia in Venice with
> my
> > >> lute and  group of boys asked me what I had in my case with that
> strange
> > >> shape. I said: "A renaissance lute". After a second I heard one of
> that
> > >> group whispering to somebody else "must be a wind instrument..."
> > >> I often experience that in Italy, especially in the so-called "art
> > >> cities" (Città d'arte) you lute pictures in every church, LOTS of
> them.
> > >> But nobody knwos what a lute is, anymore. In Germany, maybe thanks to
> > >> your Wandervoegel, if somedody asks you what you carry in your case
> and
> > >> you happen to answer "a lute", well, most of the time people knows.
> > >>
> > >> So sometimes it's better to let a "not so precise" simulation of an
> > >> instrument to survive, instead of being correctly purist, but have
> 100
> > >> people in the whole country informed the lute...
> > >>
> > >> Ciao,
> > >>
> > >> Luca
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Mathias Rösel on 28-10-2007 14:21 wrote:
> > >> > "Joshua E. Horn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> > >> >
> > >> >> How common are six string lutes like this one?:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/Kay/lute12.jpg
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> > Most members of the HIP community do not consider that instrument a
> > >> > lute. I'm notorious enough to dissent, so may I put it short.
> > >> > Yes, that kind of lute is widespread outside the HIP comm, e. g.
> where 
> > >> > I
> > >> > live (Germany), and it is often heard in public at reenactment 
> > >> > occasions
> > >> > and revival-medieval market places. There are even theorboed types 
> > >> > (four
> > >> > or six extra bass strings), but not as widespread as the 6str type.
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: dedillo

[wolfgang wiehe]

ha,
did you noticed: PoD has a marker on the 7th bar!
i need one too!
:-)
w.



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> Datum: Fri,  2 Nov 2007 08:22:46 +0100
> Von: Gernot Hilger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> An: Ed Durbrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> CC: LuteNet list 
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: dedillo

> Zitat von Ed Durbrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > Could someone please post the URL so I could watch this? Thank you.
> 
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=G23_pcCZkZg
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Marker at the 7th fret

[wolfgang wiehe]

hi daniel,
i just added a little starfish - from my daughters sticker albu - to the 7th 
:-)hope it works. 
w.



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> Datum: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 05:04:31 -0700
> Von: daniel shoskes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> An: Robert Clair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> CC: Lute List 
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Marker at the 7th fret

> Not long ago I came to the realization that every teacher I have ever
> worked with has markers on "f" and "h". My daughter has given me penguin
> stickers which now proudly adorn the back of every fingerboard I own.  
> 
> DS
> 
> On Friday, November 02, 2007, at 07:05AM, "Robert Clair"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> ha,
> >> did you noticed: PoD has a marker on the 7th bar!
> >> i need one too!
> >
> >The "no marker on the 7th fret" is a self-flagellating lunatic  
> >classical guitar thing. Someone once asked Paul about this at a  
> >summer workshop. He explained that he played lots of different  
> >instruments with widely varying string lengths and finished up by  
> >saying "I'd rather look stupid than sound stupid".
> >
> >Bob
> >
> >---
> >
> >"My lute is strung entirely in gut.", said Tom sheepishly.
> >--
> >
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> >
> >
> 

[LUTE] Re: Ok guys...need your help (again...)

[wolfgang wiehe]

http://www.lute.ru/library_eng/lutetab.htm
This is an older link to a lot of gerbodes tabs in russia.
Try it. 

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Orphenica [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. November 2007 21:34
An: Tony Chalkley
Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Ok guys...need your help (again...)



As you mention Gerbodes Site,

does anybody know, why it is not accessible any more?

Greetz
 we

Tony Chalkley schrieb:
> There were a few or rather a lot on Sarge Gerbode's site which seems
> to have mislaid itself.  They are also available in the public part of

> Alain Veylit's site, which will be a relief to many.
>
> Go into
>
> http://josquin.musickshandmade.com
>
> Then filter "Author is"  Campion to get eleven pages of songs full or
> part by part, in various formats.
>
> Tony
> - Original Message - From: "Omer katzir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 6:59 PM
> Subject: [LUTE] Ok guys...need your help (again...)
>
>
>> I cant find any of campions song's with tabs, i can buy them, but
>> it's  a problem for me to read facsimile (i cant see that good... 
>> unless  it's really good quality)
>> so what i need is a good website with the songs+tabs, or good source

>> for ordering them, if it facsimile, so it must be high quality.
>>
>> I need to four books, with tabs for lute (really...), website will be
>> much better becuase i have no money in my lute case :-(
>>
>> after that, I'll go on to dowland...
>>
>> Thank you all
>> good night
>> and may the great cat bless your lute
>>
>>
>>
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[LUTE] bakfark "ultimi mei sospiri"

[wolfgang wiehe]

hi all,
i am looking for a facsimile of bakfarks "ultimi mei sospiri".
thanks for help
wolfgang w.



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[LUTE] Re: Spinacino

[wolfgang wiehe]

what a wonderful video and what a wonderful CD-label.
w.

http://www.elucevanlestelle.com/musicstore/website/it/index.php?section_name=music_store_item_list&article_category=CD



> 
>  Original-Nachricht 
> Datum: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:40:06 +0100
> Von: "G. Crona" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Spinacino
> 
> Tasty, timely & tactful
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXIEE0_L9Pk
> 
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Spinacino online

[wolfgang wiehe]

Dear denys,
Do you noticed differences to the minkoff facsimile?
By the way:
E lucevan le stelle just published their spinacino cd.
Greetings
Wolfgang w. ,  member of the 7-c renaissance lute group! My one and
only...

http://www.elucevanlestelle.com/musicstore/website/it/index.php?section_
name=music_store_item_show&article_obj_id=416&article_category=CD

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Denys Stephens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Gesendet: Samstag, 1. Dezember 2007 00:26
An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Betreff: [LUTE] Spinacino online


Dear All,
The digital facsimile of the two Spinacino books has gone online today
as John Griffiths said it would in a mailing to the list a while ago:
 
 

http://www.cesr.univ-tours.fr/ricercar/luth/corpus/corpus_luthistes.php
 
The online view seems to be not functioning correctly but the option to
download the complete volume in PDF format works perfectly. The PDF
contains both books, so you only need to download it once.
 
It's a great gift to the lute world, and a fine way to honour the 500th
anniversary of the first printed lute books. Great thanks are due to all
who made this possible.
 
Best wishes,
 
Denys


 
 

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[LUTE] Re: Finery & Filth...

[wolfgang wiehe]

Is this thread really lute related?
If not: stop it
W

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Von: Christopher Stetson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Gesendet: Freitag, 4. Januar 2008 23:23
An: Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Finery & Filth...


And a fine tradition it is!

Great emoticon, BTW.

C.

>>> "Ray Brohinsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 1/4/2008 3:08 pm >>>
Actually, more than a few latter-day Puritan descendents still keep up
the tradition. 8^)

On Jan 4, 2008 3:01 PM, Christopher Stetson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Yes, and Puritan ministers apparently often married couples, my 
> ancestors likely among them, who were already pregnant (please forgive

> my logically indefensible, but modernly popular and grammatically 
> expedient shortcut!) or even with children.  However, it must be noted

> that the theory was, to the best of my knowledge, that in the eyes of 
> God the connubial act was what created ("consummated") the marriage, 
> and the church ceremony simply recognized it and made it public.  If 
> the ceremony could take place before the consummation, great.  But if 
> not...
>
>
> >>> "Guy Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 1/4/2008 2:11 pm >>>
> The Puritans approved, after all, of the practice of "bundling" (at 
> least, they did in colonial Massachusetts, I'm not sure about 
> elsewhere).
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Stetson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 10:26 AM
> To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Finery & Filth...
>
> Hi, all,
> Hey, let's not perpetuate the Victorian myth that the Puritans didn't 
> like sex, and even probably laugh at the occasional bawdy joke.  There

> wouldn't be nearly so many of us Puritan descendants if that were the 
> case! Blasphemy, (which is now, of course, ok!) no, but bawdiness (now

> not ok), yes.  As my Renaissance dance teacher told us way back when, 
> if the ministers and priests were preaching against something, you can

> be pretty sure a lot of people were doing it. Best to all,
> C.
>
>
> >>> Andrew Gibbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 1/4/2008 8:52 am >>>
> He's going to perform his one man show _Finery and Filth_ at the next 
> Lute Society (UK) meeting on the 19th. Apparently it _contains lyrics 
> not suitable for those of a Puritan disposition_. Sounds like my kind 
> of thing.
>
> Andrew
>
> On 4 Jan 2008, at 13:37, Ron Fletcher wrote:
>
> > I was watching local TV-news last night when there was a feature on 
> > an Elizabethan period performer from Lincolnshire.
> >
> > He has recently discovered a book of 'bawdy drinking-songs' written 
> > by Henry Purcell, a composer we would not readily associate with 
> > this type of music.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dante Ferrara is an early-music performer on cittern and hurdy- 
> > gurdy, which should be of interest to several readers here.  He has 
> > just released a CD
> > Bazimakoo.
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.danteferrara.co.uk/
> >
> >
> >
> > One page has several video-clips of his performances, which will 
> > delight I'm sure.
> >
> > There's even one using an open-strung chitaronne.
> >
> >
> >
> > BTW I had not heard of this guy before.  Has he been on this list?
> >
> >
> >
> > Best Wishes
> >
> >
> >
>
> > Ron (UK)
> >
> >
> > --
> >
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>

[LUTE] recording with ZOOM H2

[wolfgang wiehe]

hi all,
if someone is interested. i got the ZOOM 2H today and did my first
recording (work in progress :-). it is easy to handle. look at:
http://www.esnips.com/web/lautenklang/
greetings
w.

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[LUTE] Re: recording with ZOOM H2

[wolfgang wiehe]

Thanks anthony for your kind words,
It is very exciting to have such a new and easy tool and to hear my own
lute-playing from distance with all such terrible noices, non-fluency,
rhythmical errors, lost middle voices and so on...but it is a chance...
I tried to record by mic directly on the laptop but that works not well,
to much handling, bad results...
greetings
W.


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Von: Anthony Hind [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Gesendet: Sonntag, 13. Januar 2008 23:10
An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Net
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: recording with ZOOM H2


Yes, finally worked once on Safari, and the lute did seem very clear  
for Mp3, on the Lochamer Liederbuch piece, which comes over very well.
  Thanks for the tip Eric, and to Wolfgang for allowing us to hear  
it. However, I was not able to repeat theoperation a second time, so  
there is still an incompatibility with esnips and MAC.
Anthony

Le 13 janv. 08 à 22:43, Eric Crouch a écrit :

> In Safari, click on the link above the files that says 'Listen'. It
> plays the three tracks in order. The sound is very impressive!
>
> Eric Crouch


>
> On 13 Jan 2008, at 21:33, Gernot Hilger wrote:
>
>> Ed,
>>
>> this is a non-Mac site. I tried all my browsers to no avail. Sorry!
>>
>> g
>>
>> On 13.01.2008, at 16:52, Ed Durbrow wrote:
>>
>>> When I click on a piece it takes me to another window. Do you
>>> have to
>>> join just to listen?
>>>
>>> On Jan 13, 2008, at 7:31 AM, Daniel F Heiman wrote:
>>>
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> hi all,
> if someone is interested. i got the ZOOM 2H today and did my first

> recording (work in progress :-). it is easy to handle. look at: 
> http://www.esnips.com/web/lautenklang/
>>>
>>> Ed Durbrow
>>> Saitama, Japan
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[LUTE] Re: Amateur Recording

[wolfgang wiehe]

I use a freeware program which is called "switch", coverts a lot of
audio-formats
Wolfgang

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Anthony Hind [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Gesendet: Montag, 21. Januar 2008 23:08
An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Net
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Amateur Recording


Amadeus for MAC, a very superior audio tool. The pro model allows you  
to record almost directly to CD.
Anthony

Le 21 janv. 08 à 23:01, Roman Turovsky a écrit :

>>>
>>> I wonder if there is a freeware program that converts WAV files
>>> to mp3?
>>>
>>> Stuart
>> AUDACITY.
>> RT
> Passed it through SoundForge for volume and reverb, and Audacity
> for compression.
> http://turovsky.org/music/arndt.mp3
> RT
>
>
>
> __
> D O T E A S Y - "Join the web hosting revolution!"
> http://www.doteasy.com
>
>
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[LUTE] Re: Playing in time (olim Polish, anyone?)

[wolfgang wiehe]

" In fact, there are markings in  
the tablature that we take as standard indications that call for  
separation of vertically-arranged notes."

Are these markings in historical tabulatures too? I do not remember i
saw one.
wolfgang

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: David Rastall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 31. Januar 2008 16:09
An: Andrew Gibbs
Cc: Stewart McCoy; Lute Net
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Playing in time (olim Polish, anyone?)


On Jan 31, 2008, at 4:39 AM, Andrew Gibbs wrote:

> ..but do you think the occasional (and tasteful) spreading of chords 
> is a bad or non-HIP thing?

No, not really.  As long as it's not done to excess.  Rolling too  
many chords in a piece tends to muddy up the counterpoint and blur  
the rhythm.  But there are times when a chord has to be spread:  a  
chord consisting of five or six notes obviously has to be rolled, and  
it's perfectly legitimate to play a chord with the right-hand thumb  
moving down over the bass note(s) and the index finger moving up  
"backwards" over the higher strings.  In fact, there are markings in  
the tablature that we take as standard indications that call for  
separation of vertically-arranged notes.

David R
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[LUTE] Re: video ratings

[wolfgang wiehe]

and
www.esnips.com
w.
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> Datum: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:42:00 +0100
> Von: "Lute" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> An: "\'David Tayler\'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "\'lute-cs.dartmouth.edu\'" 
> 
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: video ratings

> Dear David,
> 
> You seemed to have missed MySpace.
> 
> All the best
> Mark
> 
> www.myspace.com/pantagruelian
> 
> 
> 
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: David Tayler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Gesendet: Freitag, 15. Februar 2008 00:22
> An: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu
> Betreff: [LUTE] video ratings
> 
> Time for the six month review and ratings for sites that host video,
> specially
> geared to the lute and its unique sound.
> Ratings involve sound, video quality, ease of use, statistics 
> counters, and the abilty to "embed" the code in a web page, so you 
> can make your own video pages, or use the video easily on blogs.
> In addition, especially important for longer lutes, widescreen 
> options are considered.
> 
> The winners:
> 
> **
> youtube:
> The 800 kilo gorilla. Attracts the most audience.
> Pros: none, except name recognition.
> 
> Cons: this is older tech that was poor for music to begin with. The 
> audio codecs have even gotten worse, and they were not great to start
> with.
> Buggy window aperture resizing--makes things look squished for no reason.
> Grainy video. The tech will probably be updated, but for now it is 
> pretty soggy. The code can be embedded, but there are better options.
> 
> **
> google:
> same as above: easy to find; hard on the ears
> 
> 
> vimeo:
> This is the place to start. In addition to video and audio that is 
> superior to youtube, vimeo offers 720p
> higher def (not true high def) which is a vast improvement.
> The integration into the flash streaming model is very good, giving 
> to end user lots of viewing options.
> In addition, true widescreen with freely resizeable windows is 
> available. This is a huge plus in designing websites.
> H264 codecs are supported, along with the usual ones. User interface 
> is good on both ends.
> Finally, vimeo makes the entire file available for high definition 
> viewing from your hard drive for the best possible viewing experience.
> (Use the VLC player intstead of quicktime)
> 
> Here are some medium definition videos on Vimeo, you can compare it to
> youtube
> http://www.vimeo.com/690338
> http://www.vimeo.com/691700
> 
> Cons: Although the embedding features are superb, you only get High 
> definition from the website.
> Embedded video is standard definition.
> Nonetheless, the SD is very good, and you can link through to the 
> site. HD embedded will arrive as an upgrade at some point.
> 
> 
> Stage6
> Stage6 has the best quality, period. The downside is that if you 
> upload a big file, playback can be slow. Embedding options do not work
> well.
> Nonetheless, if you record your audio separately, you can post it in 
> CD quality, or very high bitrate MP3--either way, it will sound much 
> better, and it will be in rock solid stereo instead of mono.
> Stage6 also allows you to download the file for home playback :).
> Lastly, Stage6 accepts "true" high def, but the viewer would have to 
> download it, since streaming is not that reliable.
> Cons: High bandwidth, buggy uploads.
> 
> Ifilm
> Ifilm has both good video and sound, but it does not embed widescreen
> properly.
> This was one of the best choices till vimeo upgraded their flash engines.
> 
> Best of luck and happy video.
> dt
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Video: Banchieri: Barca di Venetia per Padova

[wolfgang wiehe]

Hey,
The banchieri video is a great fun! Applause!!! 5 stars: *
W.

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Gesendet: Samstag, 16. Februar 2008 00:34
An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Betreff: [LUTE] Video: Banchieri: Barca di Venetia per Padova



Dear gang,

in the Google Video address
   http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7054543506483973843
you'll find a real drama, actually a madrigal comedy  (and especially
without too many pixels ;-)

My explanation there says:

This staged version of Adriano Banchieri's Barca di Venetia per Padova
was performed by ensemble Köyhät Ritarit (Poor Knights) in the 
Ritarihuone (old House of Finnish Nobility) in spring 2000. Nearly all
of the pieces are included - the length of the video is little less than
30 minutes. The short speeches between the pieces are in Finnish, but
songs are of course in Italian. The archlute Arto Wikla is playing is
made by Stephen Barber 1987.

All the best,

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[LUTE] Re: a la guerra

[wolfgang wiehe]

perhaps it is better to use this link:
http://www.esnips.com/doc/259c8ba2-158e-4959-9093-6e6511e26f86/a-la-guer
ra
thanks to mathias roesel, the proud father of rebekka. she is a
wonderful little girl!
by the way the recording in hamburg was made with my zoom h2, about 5
meters away
w.
  -Ursprungliche Nachricht-
Von: wolfgang wiehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. Februar 2008 21:55
An: 'lute@cs.dartmouth.edu'
Betreff: a la guerra



dear friends,
i just added a tabulatur to my esnips-folder with "a la guerra" from the
bossinensis 1509. we added for our players weekend in cottbus october
2007 the missed altus from a manuscript. so the original imitatory
textur is now clearly visible. we performed it with a singer, a tenor
recorder and a lute. a great fun!
http://www.esnips.com/SharedFolderAction.ns
greetings
wolfgang w.


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[LUTE] Re: true amateurs

[wolfgang wiehe]

same here,
i am a member at esnips, but i can not open a file in the moment. seems an 
esnips-internal problem.
greetings
wolfgang
http://www.esnips.com/web/lautenklang
http://flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
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> Datum: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:17:54 -0600
> Von: Edward Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> An: Daniel Shoskes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jelma van Amersfoort <[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]>
> CC: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: true amateurs

> I was unable to open it, just as the others are reporting.
> 
> ed
> 
> At 08:04 AM 2/28/2008 -0500, Daniel Shoskes wrote:
> >Same for me. A Mac hostile site!
> >
> >Mathias and Thomas, if you want to email me the files using something
> >like sendit, I could host them for a time on my ftp site to allow the
> >lute Mac world to download them.
> >
> >Danny
> >
> >>>
> >>>
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[LUTE] Re: Amateur recordings

[wolfgang wiehe]

moin valery,
very good playing and recording!
it seems to me, that we have now a little "zoom H2" group here. 
the quality of the recorded lute sound is amazingly.
greetings
wolfgang
p.s. i used the zoom h2 for our players meeting in hamburg last weekend.
in 120° option i recorded voices, lutes, recorders and a krummhorn, very 
authentic sound!




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> Datum: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:26:33 +0100
> Von: "Valéry Sauvage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Betreff: [LUTE] Amateur recordings

> Hello,
> 
> Back on this list...
> I'd like to present some recordings I made with my brand new zoom h2...
> (nice machine !)
> http://pagesperso-orange.fr/luthval/musiques/packington.mp3
> http://pagesperso-orange.fr/luthval/musiques/what-if-a-day.mp3
> 
> For those watching my videos on Youtube, now I'll record again with this
> sound quality (as the existing ones are very poor sound recorded I'm
> afraid... So I'll delete the old ones soon...
> 
> Valéry ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Amateur recordings

[wolfgang wiehe]

I bought mine in a german online store for 199€ all inclusive.
www.musik-produktiv.com 
Greetings
wolfgang

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: dc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Gesendet: Freitag, 29. Februar 2008 12:43
An: Lute Net
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Amateur recordings


Martin Shepherd écrit:
>  there are now so many of us with the Zoom H2 we should share our
> experiences with this machine.

I'm thinking of getting one also. Where are the best buys in Europe?

Thanks,

Dennis




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[LUTE] Re: Amateur recordings and esnips

[wolfgang wiehe]

hello,
seems to me, that esnips solved the problem. my folder "lautenklang" works 
again in firefox.
http://www.esnips.com/web/lautenklang
greetings
wolfgang



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[LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness

[wolfgang wiehe]

I bought a copy some years ago and i paid less than 100€ for it in a
antiquarian book seller in berlin. There was a surprize in the book (i
didn´t know it before):
Look at
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2345788335/
Greetings
Wolfgang, a proud owner!



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[LUTE] WG: Charles Mouton lute music EL 082326

[wolfgang wiehe]

 
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Von: E lucevan le stelle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. Marz 2008 13:34
An: E lucevan le stelle
Betreff: Charles Mouton lute music EL 082326


Charles Mouton lute music by Franco Pavan EL 082326

Dear friends of Music, 
we are very proud to present you a wonderful recording:
http://www.elucevanlestelle.com/le-mouton-fabuleux/
Best regards from 
E lucevan le stelle Records


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[LUTE] Re: Lute Festival Regensburg 2008

[wolfgang wiehe]

if someone likes to see some fotos from regenburg and the festival, please 
visit:
http://flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/sets/72157604427604380/
greetings
wolfgang

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> Datum: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:09:30 +0200
> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Betreff: [LUTE] Lute Festival Regensburg 2008

> On Friday my day started with picking up the rest of the swiss lute
> players to j
> oin this year's trip to the lute festival of the german lute society which
> took
> place in Regensburg.
> We missed the first events due to a traffic jam which we regreted because
> Pietro
>  Prosser played on a original Galichon. Knowing his playing from previous
> lute f
> estivals I was very keen on listening to his playing - and the Galichon!
> We also missed the lecture about the restauration of the instrument which
> follow
> ed the concert.
> So instead we made our first experiences with franconian foot (and beer).
> Afterw
> ards we were in best mood for the concerts of the evening.
> So we first heart a recital by Bart Roose (from Bruegge)
> who played music by Hans Newsidler on his entirely gut strung lute by
> Peter Van
> Wonterghem after Hans Frei. I tend to tell H. Newsidler's music "german"
> (with t
> ongue in cheek). Bart's playing was fine, smooth and calm although he has
> choose
> n some of the demanding pieces from H.Newsidler's print from 1536. This
> recital
> offered a new look at Hans Newsidler's music. The reaction of several
> concert li
> steners prooved that Bart raised interest into this repertoire.
> The final recital was by Lee Santana who played a mix of his own music,
> Dowland,
>  Holborne and Francesco da Milano on Tenor-Lute, Cittern and Alto Lute. I
> liked
> the sound of his Alto lute by Ivo Magherini (although it was completly out
> of tu
> ne which made it hard to bear listening to Francesco's fine
> music).
> We ended the evening at a very nice restaurant in Regensburg which was
> built in
> a gothic room.
> The next day we started visiting the exhibition of instruments and music.
> I was
> so surprised and happy to meet Frak-Peter Dietrich and his wife who
> spontanous d
> ecided to show some of their instruments on the exhibition. Frank-Peter
> has buil
> t my very first lute and I have several of his instruments. Soon after the
> chat
> I detected Philippe Mottet-Rio who has built my new love: my new swan neck
> baroq
> ue lute.
> I just said "Hello" to Beppo Kreisel as I saw an instrument on his table
> which r
> aised my interest: A double-headed baroque lute he has copied from the
> instrumen
> t in Fuessen. It was not just me who enjoyed this instrument because Beppo
> recei
> ved a lot of
> orders. Mine won't be ready until end of 2009 (after the usual day to
> sleep on i
> t I decided that one cannot have enough baroque lutes)!
> The first lecture of the day was introduced by Albert Reyermann fromm TREE
> editi
> ons who will publish the manuscript AN62 from the episcopal library in
> Regensbur
> g. The manuscript was then verbally introduced by Francois-Pierre Goy and
> musica
> lly by Anthony Bailes.
> Francois-Pierre's talk was well-informed and peppered with detailed
> knowledge of
>  the sources. Anthony Bailes playing made this manuscripts even more
> attractive
> (although I think he could play a scale and it would be a fascinating
> sound expe
> rience). Albert Reyermann said the manuscript (which will be published in
> modern
>  transcription) would be on the easier side of the baroque
> repertoire. I just took a look and could not verify this information with
> own ex
> pirience (i.e. playing the music - tablature *always* looks easy).
> This lecture was followed by a lecture of Bart Roose and Peter Van
> Wonterghem ab
> out Hans Newsidler and the lute Bart is playing. This lecture was very
> interesti
> ng and improved the raising interest in Hans Newsidler's music and in both
> lectu
> reres. I just got this information by a friend who enthusiastically
> reported abo
> ut this lecture - as I missed it I cannot tell more details.
> I also missed the following lecture by Werner on Strauch about "tunings
> and temp
> eraments" which I already heard a while ago. Werner has profund knowledge
> about
> the tunings and how to apply them on a lute.
> The highlight of the events of
> this afternoon was the "entertainment" by Dr. Frank Legl and Anthony
> Bailes who
> presented a musical travel with Johann Friedrich Armand von Uffenbach.
> Pictures were thrown on the wall, texts by Uffenbach presented (and
> petulantly c
> ommented) by Frank. Anthony played music from Vieux gaultier to S.L. Weiss
> which
>  alone would make the afternoon a success - but the combination of word,
> humour,
>  pictures and music made the fun complete.
> The concerts of this evening were by Lynda Sayce and Claire Antonini.
> I was eagerly looking forward to Lynda's performance of english music of
> the 17t
> h century. And ... she topped all my hig

[LUTE] Re: Much Ado About Nothing - Music

[wolfgang wiehe]

i sent "fiamenga" from the original (!) chilesotti book yesterday.
w.

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> Datum: Tue, 06 May 2008 22:55:49 +0200
> Von: adS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> An: 
> CC: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Much Ado About Nothing - Music

> Peter Jones-RR wrote:
> > Dear List,
> > 
> > Following your assistance in tracking down music for the production of
> > Much Ado in which I star as Background Lute Player No 1, I turn to the
> > collected wisdom again in an attempt to find some more music that I have
> > been asked to play for the production.
> > 
> > Does anyone have a copy of either:
> > 
> > 'Fiamengo' - anon. Italian c.1590 - Chilesotti Lutebook
> 
> Has anybody sent the piece?
> 
> I have a XEROX copy of Chilesotti's book.
> 
> 
> > 
> > 'Green Garters' - anon.
> 
> Hm,
> there is a duet treble
> 
>   Greene Garters [index:] Green Garters.
> 
> in Dd.3.18.
> 
> No idea if this is what you are looking for...
> 
> 
> Rainer
> 
> 
> 
> 
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