Re: [MBZ] diesel injector pop testers

[Mitch Haley]

"Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote:
> 
> looks like that dude has some more of them
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4565070231

Three years ago it was Bosch for about $110 delivered. I was an
idiot not to buy one. Now it's $200 for "Similar to original Bosch"
from the same seller. (well, sort of the same seller, it was dieselmot
on the other side of the pond selling the Bosch testers originally,
this is dieselmotusa)

Re: [MBZ] Is all glass....glass?

[Mike Canfield]

May I ask WHY would you replace a windshield that is not cracked or broken? 
Mike
- Original Message - 
From: "ANGELO GIAIMO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 3:45 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Is all glassglass?



Prior to repainting my 350SDL, I was also considering replacing the
windshieldnot broken or cracked (darn).  I've got some
choices...the dealer for OEM glass or aftermarket.  Is there a big
difference?  Triumph auto glass (a national chain) quoted $250 for their
"standard" glass...US made by Pilkington (sp?).   Have not priced the
dealer yet..  Anyone have any experiences with quality with aftermarket
vrs. OEM windshields?

Angelo Giaimo/Fishkill/IBM @ IBMUS
Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(845)894-4296 (tie 533); fax: 892-6235 (tie 532);
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[MBZ] What's a Subject?... Look Left!

[Chuck Landenberger]

Ed,

Thank you for your eloquent explanation...

Take care,

Chuck
Phoenix AZ
1980 300SD
On Sep 28, 2005, at 2:39 PM, Ed Booher wrote:


On 9/28/05, Gabriel S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


whats a subject?




A subject is this magical device, that once you whisper it to the
messenger as he leaves to deliver your sealed envelope allows the
Gmail Gnome to *thread* all of the different envelopes together with
the same whispered password so that we can READ THEM ALL TOGETHER

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Re: [MBZ] Aux Fan Pooped Out

[Peter Frederick]

Check the fuse first, then relay.  Both in the fuse box on a W123, I 
think.  Also check the big rectangular ceramic resistor (up front 
somewhere, not exactly sure on that model) for corroded wiring.  This 
will allow it to run at full speed at high engine temps, but fail at AC 
speed.  Check by grounding the wire that goes to the switch on the 
thermostat housing -- must cause the fan to run at high speed.


The fan itself very rarely fails, although they can.

Peter

Re: [MBZ] 1977 450SEL

[Peter Frederick]

Should run fine on midgrade unless you tow something (ha ha).

Milage is typically 12-14.

Peter

[MBZ] diesel injector pop testers

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

looks like that dude has some more of them

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 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE,
 85 300D,  83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

The 89-91 had the updated interior, updated seats, updated 10 speaker 
sound system, 91 you could have a CD changer in the trunk.


Kevin wrote:


On Wed, Sep 28, 2005 at 09:41:36AM -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


It would be a steal if it was 89 and later.  Those were more desirable



What was more desirable about the 89-91 126 over the earlier ones?

I have been eyeballing 560 SELs for a while. Everyone needs a rocket sled
in their stable, and the retired patrol car is getting on in age. And I'm
a slacker, so the amboat isn't going to be running any time soon.

No, the retired patrol car is not for sale for $500. [EMAIL PROTECTED] bottom 
feeders.

K

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 85 300D,  83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] 116 fuel consumption

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Up to 75 wad D-jet, 76 and up was CIS.  The older ones has way more 
power and as the years went by the power just kept going down for 
emmisions.  By 1980 I think it was down to around 160hp or so.  But, the 
80's were capable or around 17mpg or so.  Todd Knutson is the expert on 
these things.


Tom Hargrave wrote:


Weren'the 73's D-jtronix? I know that the 72 280SEL 4.5 was, I owned two of
them. The 1977 should have a CIS system & mileage should be different
between the two systems.


Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [MBZ] 116 fuel consumption

<>

Don't even think about it. My 195hp '73 450SE struggled to reach 16 highway
mpg and in the winter, commuting was about 11-13 mpg.

RLE
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 85 300D,  83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] A 124's weight problem

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I think he is reading the GROSS weight on the door tag, which means 
fully loaded with cargo and people.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


<>

Holy cats, that's a half ton more than my C320. Better look under the back 
seat for lead pigs. Or if you're lucky, gold bars.


What does your owner's manual give as the weight?

RLE
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 85 300D,  83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] This is bizarre...

[Hendrik Riessen]

I'm just amazed that the wheels are still on it.

Hendrik

- Original Message - 
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 11:11 PM
Subject: [MBZ] This is bizarre...




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Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

and more money to repair and maintain.

Harry wrote:


Skip the 420 and 560, if I was going that far for my money I'd go all the way 
to a S500. Much nicer than a 560, more power and better fuel economy


"Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




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 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE,
 85 300D,  83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

[Bucks2]

Better interior, door panels etc. Better radio with amp etc. At least in the 
SEC's that is true..

Ken, 

In a message dated 9/28/2005 2:55:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
From: Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale
To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

On Wed, Sep 28, 2005 at 09:41:36AM -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> It would be a steal if it was 89 and later.  Those were more desirable

What was more desirable about the 89-91 126 over the earlier ones?

Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

[Kevin]

On Wed, Sep 28, 2005 at 05:05:51PM -0500, Ed Booher wrote:
> I take deep offense to the last line of your statement. Those of us
> offering $500 can't afford that $600,000 house you live in. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> bourgeoisie.

*I* can't afford the 600k shacks that people buy around here, which is 
why I rent.

The bottom feeders in question aren't necessarily out to get reliable
running transportation for $500 (and there's nothing wrong with that), but
offer $500 for EVERYTHING that comes up for sale on the list, perfect 
condition 240Ds and SDLs that run included.

K

Re: [MBZ] Road rules

[Bucks2]

I care about it because those jackasses keep me from getting to my job. When 
they finally figure out that I'm going to keep my siren and air horn blowing 
in back of them, then they try feebly to get out of the way by cutting in front 
of some poor person who is waiting like they should. When I was new on the 
job I had a Captain who swore that on his last day he was going to drive, and 
run over the dimwits that did that. Now that I have that position, I'm thinking 
he was absolutely right. They should get rammed by the rig and left to rot. 

If you were hanging upside down trapped in your car because some jackass 
clipped you as he cut in front of you and you're busy bleeding to death waiting 
for me to get there, I'll bet you'd think different. 

Not that I have strong opinions on this subject or anything

Ken

In a message dated 9/28/2005 2:55:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
From: "Gabriel S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T Road Rules
To: andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mercedes mailing list
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

I honestly don't see why anyone would care if people are cruising in the
shoulder...they are the ones risking the ticket...opening the shoulder in
high traffic reduces traffic by 40%i saw it in the history channel on
the show "modern marvels"the german highway patrol allows it on the
autoban.

Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

[Ed Booher]

I take deep offense to the last line of your statement. Those of us
offering $500 can't afford that $600,000 house you live in. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
bourgeoisie.

On 9/28/05, Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 28, 2005 at 09:41:36AM -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> > It would be a steal if it was 89 and later.  Those were more desirable
>
> What was more desirable about the 89-91 126 over the earlier ones?
>
> I have been eyeballing 560 SELs for a while. Everyone needs a rocket sled
> in their stable, and the retired patrol car is getting on in age. And I'm
> a slacker, so the amboat isn't going to be running any time soon.
>
> No, the retired patrol car is not for sale for $500. [EMAIL PROTECTED] bottom 
> feeders.
>
> K
>

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Re: [MBZ] stupid glow plug question, 78 300D

[Kevin]

On Mon, Sep 26, 2005 at 04:39:56PM -0500, LT Don wrote:
> I used a piece of wooden dowel to ream mine out. I've also read that you can
> get an old glow plug, deform the loop a bit, and use that too.

Well, the dowel did the trick. Car started up quite easily the last two
mornings. Thanks, everyone. That diagnostic Marshall sent out was really
quite easier than the one in the TSM.

K

Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

[Kevin]

On Wed, Sep 28, 2005 at 09:41:36AM -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> It would be a steal if it was 89 and later.  Those were more desirable

What was more desirable about the 89-91 126 over the earlier ones?

I have been eyeballing 560 SELs for a while. Everyone needs a rocket sled
in their stable, and the retired patrol car is getting on in age. And I'm
a slacker, so the amboat isn't going to be running any time soon.

No, the retired patrol car is not for sale for $500. [EMAIL PROTECTED] bottom 
feeders.

K

Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

[Ed Booher]

On 9/28/05, Gabriel S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> whats a subject?
>

A subject is this magical device, that once you whisper it to the
messenger as he leaves to deliver your sealed envelope allows the
Gmail Gnome to *thread* all of the different envelopes together with
the same whispered password so that we can READ THEM ALL TOGETHER

Other than that, have at it.

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Re: [MBZ] A 124's weight problem

[Mitch Haley]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Could be dyslexia as 3490 sounds a lot closer!((:>)

Could be. I was thinking GVWR when I saw over two ton for a 124.
My 116 doesn't quite weigh 4000.

Re: [MBZ] A 124's weight problem

[JFreezn]

 
In a message dated 9/28/2005 2:17:39 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<>

Holy cats, that's a half ton more than my C320. Better  look under the back 
seat for lead pigs. Or if you're lucky, gold  bars.



Could be dyslexia as 3490 sounds a lot closer!((:>)
 
 
 
Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 261 K miles 
98 ML 320, 137 K  miles

Re: [MBZ] 116 fuel consumption

[Tom Hargrave]

Weren'the 73's D-jtronix? I know that the 72 280SEL 4.5 was, I owned two of
them. The 1977 should have a CIS system & mileage should be different
between the two systems.


Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com

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Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 4:21 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [MBZ] 116 fuel consumption

<>

Don't even think about it. My 195hp '73 450SE struggled to reach 16 highway
mpg and in the winter, commuting was about 11-13 mpg.

RLE
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Re: [MBZ] Stents are for kids..............

[Rich Thomas]

Did you put them in your fuel system?  Do you use algaecide?

--R

Peter Arnold wrote:


From: Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil / additive advice
To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From what I understand, stents have defined, finite lives, and if you get
 


one in your late forties or fifties, the likelihood of needing a replacement
stent is not all that low.
   



I'm dealing with amateurs here.  I have 8 stints installed at last
count.  August of 2003 I had one installed, plugged it in TWO WEEKS!  


You don't want to get me going on my open-heart surgeryS.

M/B Content:
My Cardio Doc drives a W-126 gasser that looks identical to mine.  I
keep berating him, I think my Doctor should drive a better car than I
do.

--

Peter T. Arnold
Windsor, Connecticut
U.S.A.

1987 Mercedes 300SDL, 231 Kmi on Delvac1, changes when f-soot is 2%

1995 Ford F-250 W/PSD, 189 Kmi on Rotella @ 5 Kmi Changes

2002 PT Cruizer, 74 Kmi, Every 5 Kmi with what's on sale

1954 Metropolitan {My Hanger-Queen}

None use oil between changes, go figure ;-)

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[MBZ] 116 fuel consumption

[RELNGSON]

<>

Don't even think about it. My 195hp '73 450SE struggled to reach 16 highway 
mpg and in the winter, commuting was about 11-13 mpg.

RLE

[MBZ] A 124's weight problem

[RELNGSON]

<>

Holy cats, that's a half ton more than my C320. Better look under the back 
seat for lead pigs. Or if you're lucky, gold bars.

What does your owner's manual give as the weight?

RLE

[MBZ] (no subject)

[Gabriel S.]

whats a subject?

On 9/28/05, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Why can't you guys put a SUBJECT in .??? Might encourage folks to
> look at what you have to say!!
>
> Just a short rant/request.
>
> Take care,
>
> Chuck
> Phoenix, AZ
> On Sep 28, 2005, at 12:43 PM, Donald Snook wrote:
>
> > Harry wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > "Skip the 420 and 560, if I was going that far for my money I'd go all
> > the way to a S500. Much nicer than a 560, more power and better fuel
> > economy"
> >
> >
> >
> > The S500 is a nice car, but I like the lines of the 420 and 560 much
> > better than the new body. I think the 560 represents what a fantastic
> > Mercedes used to be.
> >
> >
> >
> > What is chassis number for the S500 (the older one 92-?)? Is it the
> > 140?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Donald H. Snook
> >
> > McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn & Herrington, P.A.
> >
> > 300 West Douglas
> >
> > P.O. Box 207
> >
> > Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207
> >
> > Tel. (316) 263-5851
> >
> > This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client
> > privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you
> > have recieved this message in error, please delete it and notify me.
> >
> >
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1987 300D 230K=-

Re: [MBZ] O/T Road Rules

[Gabriel S.]

I honestly don't see why anyone would care if people are cruising in the
shoulder...they are the ones risking the ticket...opening the shoulder in
high traffic reduces traffic by 40%i saw it in the history channel on
the show "modern marvels"the german highway patrol allows it on the
autoban.

On 9/28/05, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> HAH! There's nothing that makes me madder than idiots who cruise in the
> breakdown lane when the beltway traffic has come to a halt.
>
> On 9/28/05, Peter Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > From: "Gabriel S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Road manners (was: Auto tranny 240Ds are slow!)
> > To: "Dave M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mercedes mailing list
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > Said in part:
> >
> > 9. In instances where traffic slows to 10mph, all shoulders shall
> > become lanes.
> >
> > _snip___
> >
> > Sounds like an idea from New York/New Jersey. If a 2-lane road has
> > one lane blocked, it becomes a 1-lane road. How does feeding 3 or 4
> > lanes into it speed things up? Is there some magic here?
> >
> > THE SHOULDERS ARE THE ONLY WAY THE EMERGANCY VEHICLES HAVE TO GET TO
> > THE SCENE! Plug them up and you guarantee a bad situation will get
> > worse in a hurry.
> >
> > Hope it's not me that needs the help.
> >
> > Than there is the issue of road rage; If I'm waiting patiently in line
> > {be it grammar school lunch or a traffic jam.} What gives anyone the
> > "right" to cut-in being rude to all who are doing the right thing?
> >
> > There are several State Troopers in this state {Connecticut} that will
> > divert such cars to the side of the road, wait until the road hazard
> > is clear and than go over and explain the laws to the folks that are
> > in a bigger hurry than I am.
> > I always give them a thumbs-up sign as I go past.
> >
> > Pardon the rant here. Stupid driving bothers me. Don't get me
> > started on idiots that drive with 4-ways on in a situation they
> > believe is dangerous.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Peter T. Arnold
> > Windsor, Connecticut
> > U.S.A.
> >
> > 1987 Mercedes 300SDL, 231 Kmi on Delvac1, changes when f-soot is 2%
> >
> > 1995 Ford F-250 W/PSD, 189 Kmi on Rotella @ 5 Kmi Changes
> >
> > 2002 PT Cruizer, 74 Kmi, Every 5 Kmi with what's on sale
> >
> > 1954 Metropolitan {My Hanger-Queen}
> >
> > None use oil between changes, go figure ;-)
> >
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Re: [MBZ] (no subject) WHY???

[andrew strasfogel]

Hey I am not the only one who shouts!

On 9/28/05, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Why can't you guys put a SUBJECT in .??? Might encourage folks to
> look at what you have to say!!
>
> Just a short rant/request.
>
> Take care,
>
> Chuck
> Phoenix, AZ
> On Sep 28, 2005, at 12:43 PM, Donald Snook wrote:
>
> > Harry wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > "Skip the 420 and 560, if I was going that far for my money I'd go all
> > the way to a S500. Much nicer than a 560, more power and better fuel
> > economy"
> >
> >
> >
> > The S500 is a nice car, but I like the lines of the 420 and 560 much
> > better than the new body. I think the 560 represents what a fantastic
> > Mercedes used to be.
> >
> >
> >
> > What is chassis number for the S500 (the older one 92-?)? Is it the
> > 140?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Donald H. Snook
> >
> > McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn & Herrington, P.A.
> >
> > 300 West Douglas
> >
> > P.O. Box 207
> >
> > Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207
> >
> > Tel. (316) 263-5851
> >
> > This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client
> > privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you
> > have recieved this message in error, please delete it and notify me.
> >
> >
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[MBZ] Pedants

[RELNGSON]

<,if you want to get pedantic about it.  ;)>.

Yes, lets.

RLE

Re: [MBZ] O/T Road Rules

[andrew strasfogel]

HAH! There's nothing that makes me madder than idiots who cruise in the
breakdown lane when the beltway traffic has come to a halt.

On 9/28/05, Peter Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> From: "Gabriel S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Road manners (was: Auto tranny 240Ds are slow!)
> To: "Dave M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mercedes mailing list
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Said in part:
>
> 9. In instances where traffic slows to 10mph, all shoulders shall
> become lanes.
>
> _snip___
>
> Sounds like an idea from New York/New Jersey. If a 2-lane road has
> one lane blocked, it becomes a 1-lane road. How does feeding 3 or 4
> lanes into it speed things up? Is there some magic here?
>
> THE SHOULDERS ARE THE ONLY WAY THE EMERGANCY VEHICLES HAVE TO GET TO
> THE SCENE! Plug them up and you guarantee a bad situation will get
> worse in a hurry.
>
> Hope it's not me that needs the help.
>
> Than there is the issue of road rage; If I'm waiting patiently in line
> {be it grammar school lunch or a traffic jam.} What gives anyone the
> "right" to cut-in being rude to all who are doing the right thing?
>
> There are several State Troopers in this state {Connecticut} that will
> divert such cars to the side of the road, wait until the road hazard
> is clear and than go over and explain the laws to the folks that are
> in a bigger hurry than I am.
> I always give them a thumbs-up sign as I go past.
>
> Pardon the rant here. Stupid driving bothers me. Don't get me
> started on idiots that drive with 4-ways on in a situation they
> believe is dangerous.
>
> --
>
> Peter T. Arnold
> Windsor, Connecticut
> U.S.A.
>
> 1987 Mercedes 300SDL, 231 Kmi on Delvac1, changes when f-soot is 2%
>
> 1995 Ford F-250 W/PSD, 189 Kmi on Rotella @ 5 Kmi Changes
>
> 2002 PT Cruizer, 74 Kmi, Every 5 Kmi with what's on sale
>
> 1954 Metropolitan {My Hanger-Queen}
>
> None use oil between changes, go figure ;-)
>
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Re: [MBZ] Exhaust system company link

[andrew strasfogel]

I second Chuck re: Timevalve. They have a lifetime warranty that they really
DO honor. It's so good it's worth SHOUTING about!

On 9/28/05, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Someone had posted about a company that had some good exhaust systems
> available. They had stainless systems, with a lifetime guarantee. My system
> crashed, and I lost the link. Could someone post that again please?
>
> Bosal markets an exhaust system that's warranted for as long as you own
> your car - not stainless, but excellent quality - and they WILL replaced
> parts that fail (or at least have for me). They cost considerably less
> than Timevalve.
>
> On a diesel the average exhaust life (excluding collision damage) is
> going to be may 10+ years even in Pittsburgh (where cars often rust away
> in 5-8 years).
>
> Marshall
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>
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Re: [MBZ] 1977 450SEL

[andrew strasfogel]

I wish you well, but...

Beware the oogy cracked dash. :(( I never saw a 116 450SE/L that still had
an intact dash, especially if it was blue. Also, inasmuch as most of them
seem to have been owned by chain smokers, the interiors usually smell of
stale tobacco fumes. Yecchhh.

 On 9/28/05, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'll tell you after I trade for it, on Saturday.
>
> The car has 155,000 miles on it and the seats are in excellent condition.
> The body's straight and I can't find a sign of rust anywhere. The paint's
> faded enough that I believe it to be original.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> 256-656-1924
> www.kegkits.com 
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Ed Booher
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 10:33 AM
> To: Mercedes mailing list
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1977 450SEL
>
> I kill you now and steal rust free 450! Muhahahahaahaaha
>
> Err... uhh  I mean 
>
> So ... where's it located?
>
> On 9/28/05, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I've found a rust free 450SEL and I'm curious if the car will run on
> > mid-grade gas.
> >
> > Also, what mileage can I expect on the road?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Tom Hargrave
> > 256-656-1924
> > www.kegkits.com 
> >
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Re: [MBZ] (no subject) WHY???

[Chuck Landenberger]

Why can't you guys put a SUBJECT in .??? Might encourage folks to  
look at what you have to say!!


Just a short rant/request.

Take care,

Chuck
Phoenix, AZ
On Sep 28, 2005, at 12:43 PM, Donald Snook wrote:


Harry wrote:



"Skip the 420 and 560, if I was going that far for my money I'd go all
the way to a S500. Much nicer than a 560, more power and better fuel
economy"



The S500 is a nice car, but I like the lines of the 420 and 560 much
better than the new body. I think the 560 represents what a fantastic
Mercedes used to be.



What is chassis number for the S500 (the older one 92-?)? Is it the  
140?







Donald H. Snook

McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn & Herrington, P.A.

300 West Douglas

P.O. Box 207

Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207

Tel. (316) 263-5851

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Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

[John M McIntosh]

Yes w140

On 28-Sep-05, at 12:43 PM, Donald Snook wrote:



What is chassis number for the S500 (the older one 92-?)? Is it the  
140?

Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

[John M McIntosh]

Let's see on ebay there is an s500 for sale for 20K, but no history  
info, one at 12k, some at 24k.
one for 5K with a salvage history, flooded, but claim it's run the  
last 12 years.


There is one at 3.5k, but the word abused does come to mind. I wonder  
if the missing steering wheel airbag is a indication of some

other incident... Let alone the horrors of the seats...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1994-MERCEDES- 
BENZ_W0QQitemZ4578311290QQcategoryZ6336QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


For diesels 2 of them in the 15k range, none claim a rebuilt engine.

On 28-Sep-05, at 12:40 PM, John M McIntosh wrote:


Well that assumes that you can find an owner idiot that will sell you
a fixed perfect w140 for the same price as a broken w140.


John
1983 300TDt  358k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1992 300TDt  148k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1993 500SEL 168k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)

[MBZ] Rust in the midwest?

[Donald Snook]

David Brodbeck wrote:

 

"In the Midwest, rust isn't a sign of neglect, it's an inevitability of 

life.  Unless you take extreme measures to immediately grind out rust 

and and repaint as soon as bubbles start to appear, any car with a steel


body will eventually rust out due to the road salt used in the winter."

 

David, I am assuming you are talking about the upper Midwest.  I live in
Wichita, Kansas and lived most of the rest of my life in Springfield,
Missouri. I have never had any rust problems on any car I have owned.  I
agree in Chicago, you cannot keep most cars from rusting. I had an uncle
who had a little car dealership. He used to buy 5-6 cars at the auction
in Springfield and drive them to Chicago where he could sell them for
three times what he paid for them.  Dealers in Chicago were always
amazed to see a 10 year old Chevy Caprice with no rust on it. (My Uncle
liked the Caprice and bought all of them that he could find in the
80's).  

 

 

Donald H. Snook

McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn & Herrington, P.A. 

300 West Douglas

P.O. Box 207

Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207

Tel. (316) 263-5851

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privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you
have recieved this message in error, please delete it and notify me.  

 

[MBZ] (no subject)

[Donald Snook]

Harry wrote:

 

"Skip the 420 and 560, if I was going that far for my money I'd go all
the way to a S500. Much nicer than a 560, more power and better fuel
economy"

 

The S500 is a nice car, but I like the lines of the 420 and 560 much
better than the new body. I think the 560 represents what a fantastic
Mercedes used to be. 

 

What is chassis number for the S500 (the older one 92-?)? Is it the 140?


 

 

Donald H. Snook

McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn & Herrington, P.A. 

300 West Douglas

P.O. Box 207

Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207

Tel. (316) 263-5851

This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client
privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you
have recieved this message in error, please delete it and notify me.  

 

[MBZ] Is all glass....glass?

[ANGELO GIAIMO]

Prior to repainting my 350SDL, I was also considering replacing the
windshieldnot broken or cracked (darn).  I've got some
choices...the dealer for OEM glass or aftermarket.  Is there a big
difference?  Triumph auto glass (a national chain) quoted $250 for their
"standard" glass...US made by Pilkington (sp?).   Have not priced the
dealer yet..  Anyone have any experiences with quality with aftermarket
vrs. OEM windshields?

Angelo Giaimo/Fishkill/IBM @ IBMUS
Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(845)894-4296 (tie 533); fax: 892-6235 (tie 532);
2070 Rt. 52; Hopewell Junction, N.Y. 12533

Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

[John M McIntosh]

Well that assumes that you can find an owner idiot that will sell you  
a fixed perfect w140 for the same price as a broken w140. Since most  
of that money is going to fix faulty engineering it's hard for a  
smart owner to prevent it from becoming toast even if you do all the  
preventative maintenance. Blower regulators that melt, vacuum/ 
pressure pumps (two) which kick the bucket, an A/C system which  
requires you to replace the evaporator, and window regulators that  
break because the windows are heavy, let alone engine wiring  
harnesses that decompose because of the heat and the desire for easy  
recycling, helpfully frying your MAF.




On 28-Sep-05, at 11:47 AM, Harry wrote:

Assuming you had to spend that much to fix everything that is  
broken would be a good bet you didn't buy it in the first place. If  
there is a lot that needs fixing its pretty much a sign that the  
previous owner was a idiot and didn't take care of it.




John
1983 300TDt  358k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1992 300TDt  248k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1993 500SEL 168k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)

Re: [MBZ] W201 engine swapping

[Marshall Booth]

Mitch Haley wrote:

Marshall Booth wrote:


You probably won't be able to fit a 602 engine into the 201.034 chassis
(it MIGHT fit into a 190E 2.6 - MAYBE) without MAJOR alterations to the
chassis. The 190D 2.5 chassis were stretched up front - different
radiators and so forth - 



Are the hoods, grills, fenders, etc the same? You've got a four banger
and a turbo to look at side by side, right? My problem is neither of
the proposed project cars are available to me for comparison.


The fenders, hood, grill are all the same, but the rear of the radiator
in the 2.5 diesels are maybe 2" closer to the front of the car (allowing
 a longer engine to be inserted) and that changes the body work that
connects the left and the right fenders and supports the radiator. Not
something that can easily be changed!

Just measured my '85 190D and the '87 2.5t and the engine compartment of
the  2.5t is 2" longer. This was done by moving the radiator forward
(it's thinner too) and redesigning all the metal work between the
fenders so the engine compartment extends 2" further forward. This would
NOT be easy to replicate.

I have NOT examined the 201.034 to see if a diesel could fit.

You could try calling Rick Ellinger at http://rc-imports.com/

He knows the 201.034 chassis VERY intimately!!

Marshall
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'87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0
159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi

Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

[Harry]

and proof that some have more money than brains 


"Bob Rentfro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Harry observed:
>
>"the previous owner was a idiot"
>
>I think we all would agree that is all too often the case.
>
>Bob Rentfro
>'77 300D 140K
>Litchfield Park, AZ
>
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[MBZ] Stents are for kids..............

[Peter Arnold]

From: Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil / additive advice
To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

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>From what I understand, stents have defined, finite lives, and if you get
>one in your late forties or fifties, the likelihood of needing a replacement
>stent is not all that low.

I'm dealing with amateurs here.  I have 8 stints installed at last
count.  August of 2003 I had one installed, plugged it in TWO WEEKS!  

You don't want to get me going on my open-heart surgeryS.

M/B Content:
My Cardio Doc drives a W-126 gasser that looks identical to mine.  I
keep berating him, I think my Doctor should drive a better car than I
do.

--

Peter T. Arnold
Windsor, Connecticut
U.S.A.

1987 Mercedes 300SDL, 231 Kmi on Delvac1, changes when f-soot is 2%

1995 Ford F-250 W/PSD, 189 Kmi on Rotella @ 5 Kmi Changes

2002 PT Cruizer, 74 Kmi, Every 5 Kmi with what's on sale

1954 Metropolitan {My Hanger-Queen}

None use oil between changes, go figure ;-)

Re: [MBZ] clones?

[Harry]

yep, good ol John Z had a vision with that idea and proof the French can't 
build engines


Ed Booher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Ahhh The De Lorean.
>
>On 9/28/05, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Harry wrote:
>>
>> >I always saw rusted out cars as a sign of neglect, but considering rust 
>> >proofing has come along way one would expect these Japanese cars to fair 
>> >better than 30 year old Benz's. The Japanese have taken lessons from us 
>> >about rust proofing.
>> >
>> In the Midwest, rust isn't a sign of neglect, it's an inevitability of
>> life.  Unless you take extreme measures to immediately grind out rust
>> and and repaint as soon as bubbles start to appear, any car with a steel
>> body will eventually rust out due to the road salt used in the winter.
>>
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[MBZ] O/T Road Rules

[Peter Arnold]

From: "Gabriel S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Road manners (was: Auto tranny 240Ds are slow!)
To: "Dave M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,  Mercedes mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Said in part:

 9. In instances where traffic slows to 10mph, all shoulders shall
become lanes.

_snip___

Sounds like an idea from New York/New Jersey.  If a 2-lane road has
one lane blocked, it becomes a 1-lane road.  How does feeding 3 or 4
lanes into it speed things up?  Is there some magic here?

THE SHOULDERS ARE THE ONLY WAY THE EMERGANCY VEHICLES HAVE TO GET TO
THE SCENE!  Plug them up and you guarantee a bad situation will get
worse in a hurry.

Hope it's not me that needs the help.

Than there is the issue of road rage; If I'm waiting patiently in line
{be it grammar school lunch or a traffic jam.}  What gives anyone the
"right" to cut-in being rude to all who are doing the right thing?

There are several State Troopers in this state {Connecticut} that will
divert such cars to the side of the road, wait until the road hazard
is clear and than go over and explain the laws to the folks that are
in a bigger hurry than I am. 
I always give them a thumbs-up sign as I go past.

Pardon the rant here.  Stupid driving bothers me.  Don't get me
started on idiots that drive with 4-ways on in a situation they
believe is dangerous.

--

Peter T. Arnold
Windsor, Connecticut
U.S.A.

1987 Mercedes 300SDL, 231 Kmi on Delvac1, changes when f-soot is 2%

1995 Ford F-250 W/PSD, 189 Kmi on Rotella @ 5 Kmi Changes

2002 PT Cruizer, 74 Kmi, Every 5 Kmi with what's on sale

1954 Metropolitan {My Hanger-Queen}

None use oil between changes, go figure ;-)

Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

[Bob Rentfro]

Harry observed:

"the previous owner was a idiot"

I think we all would agree that is all too often the case.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 140K
Litchfield Park, AZ

Re: [MBZ] Exhaust system company link

[Marshall Booth]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Someone had posted about a company that had some good exhaust systems 
available.  They had stainless systems, with a lifetime guarantee.  My system 
crashed, and I lost the link.  Could someone post that again please?


Bosal markets an exhaust system that's warranted for as long as you own 
your car - not stainless, but excellent quality - and they WILL replaced 
parts that fail (or at least have for me). They cost considerably less 
than Timevalve.


On a diesel the average exhaust life (excluding collision damage) is 
going to be may 10+ years even in Pittsburgh (where cars often rust away 
in 5-8 years).


Marshall
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  "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
'87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 
159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi

Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

[Harry]

Assuming you had to spend that much to fix everything that is broken would be a 
good bet you didn't buy it in the first place. If there is a lot that needs 
fixing its pretty much a sign that the previous owner was a idiot and didn't 
take care of it.



John M McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Well if you can get an S500 or 500SEL for 5K, then accept the fact  
>*you could* spend $10K to $15K to fix everything that is broken, then  
>I assure you
>it's a very nice ride. A S600 will add another 10K (easy) to that  
>price. This assumes you hand it to your dealer and not want it back  
>for about 4 weeks.
>
>Of course there is always a lurking W140 diesel (maybe if very lucky  
>with a rebuilt engine).
>
>MPG on mine 500SEL range from 16-18 (usa gallon), 21 was highest with  
>an extended run at 90-100mph north of LA.
>
>On 28-Sep-05, at 10:57 AM, Harry wrote:
>
>> Skip the 420 and 560, if I was going that far for my money I'd go  
>> all the way to a S500. Much nicer than a 560, more power and better  
>> fuel economy
>>
>>
>> "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> If you ever drove a 560, you would see what the difference is.  You
>>> would then want one to play with on the weekends.  Speaking of  
>>> which, I
>>> really need to get out and un-mothball mine.
>>>
>>> OK Don wrote:
>>>
>>
>
>John
>1983 300TDt  352k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
>1992 300TDt  144k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
>1993 500SEL 165k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)
>
>
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[MBZ] Aux Fan Pooped Out

[Bob Rentfro]

It appears my aux fan has pooped out. The manual says, "check the supplementary 
fan for function, for this purpose pull the two flat plugs from the temperature 
switches ( 14 or 15) and connect to each other (connecting short)".

I reckon I should see if it will spin at all by doing this but I have no idea 
what switch they are speaking of. What historically fails on these? This is the 
first time ever I have had one fail.

Is there a relay for this and, if there is, where is it?

Donkey Shirts

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 140K 
Litchfield Park, AZ

Re: [MBZ] clones?

[Ed Booher]

Ahhh The De Lorean.

On 9/28/05, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Harry wrote:
>
> >I always saw rusted out cars as a sign of neglect, but considering rust 
> >proofing has come along way one would expect these Japanese cars to fair 
> >better than 30 year old Benz's. The Japanese have taken lessons from us 
> >about rust proofing.
> >
> In the Midwest, rust isn't a sign of neglect, it's an inevitability of
> life.  Unless you take extreme measures to immediately grind out rust
> and and repaint as soon as bubbles start to appear, any car with a steel
> body will eventually rust out due to the road salt used in the winter.
>
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Re: [MBZ] clones?

[David Brodbeck]

Harry wrote:


I always saw rusted out cars as a sign of neglect, but considering rust 
proofing has come along way one would expect these Japanese cars to fair better 
than 30 year old Benz's. The Japanese have taken lessons from us about rust 
proofing.

In the Midwest, rust isn't a sign of neglect, it's an inevitability of 
life.  Unless you take extreme measures to immediately grind out rust 
and and repaint as soon as bubbles start to appear, any car with a steel 
body will eventually rust out due to the road salt used in the winter.

Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

[John M McIntosh]

Well if you can get an S500 or 500SEL for 5K, then accept the fact  
*you could* spend $10K to $15K to fix everything that is broken, then  
I assure you
it's a very nice ride. A S600 will add another 10K (easy) to that  
price. This assumes you hand it to your dealer and not want it back  
for about 4 weeks.


Of course there is always a lurking W140 diesel (maybe if very lucky  
with a rebuilt engine).


MPG on mine 500SEL range from 16-18 (usa gallon), 21 was highest with  
an extended run at 90-100mph north of LA.


On 28-Sep-05, at 10:57 AM, Harry wrote:

Skip the 420 and 560, if I was going that far for my money I'd go  
all the way to a S500. Much nicer than a 560, more power and better  
fuel economy



"Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



If you ever drove a 560, you would see what the difference is.  You
would then want one to play with on the weekends.  Speaking of  
which, I

really need to get out and un-mothball mine.

OK Don wrote:





John
1983 300TDt  352k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1992 300TDt  144k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1993 500SEL 165k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)

Re: [MBZ] clones?

[Harry]

ah yep it was a joke and here's the part where I say my VW has a bumper sticker 
that says "my other car is a Mercedes but its in the shop"


"Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, Im assuming that was a joke.
>
>Harry wrote:
>
>> I see alot of older Honda's around here and its the same thing, rusty but 
>> still running. Thats not reliability in my opinion, thats cheap workmanship. 
>> A truly dependable car should not only stand the test of time but look good 
>> too. Guess thats why we all like our Benz's
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>Same story from those I've talked to as well. The drive train keeps
>>>going, but the body/chassis is falling apart around it.
>>>
>>>On 9/27/05, Harry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
Considering a couple of people I know who are long term owners of Honda and 
Toyotas even admitted that they weren't as good as they use to be. They 
still have decent engines and tranny's but the rest of the car is nothing 
more than crappy recycled plastic and metal. Buttons and knobs that fall 
off and even plastic trim that doesn't look like its suppose to be there. 
Their quality seems to be focused on their upscale Lexus's and Acuras cause 
both Honda's and Toyotas are going down the crapper


David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>--
>>>OK Don, KD5NRO
>>>Norman, OK
>>>'87 300SDL,  '81 240D,  '78 450SLC
>>>The FSM created the Diesel Benz
>>>http://www.venganza.org/
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>> 
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>  89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE,
>  85 300D,  83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
>  76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] 1977 450SEL

[Tom Hargrave]

I'll tell you after I trade for it, on Saturday.

The car has 155,000 miles on it and the seats are in excellent condition.
The body's straight and I can't find a sign of rust anywhere. The paint's
faded enough that I believe it to be original. 


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1977 450SEL

I kill you now and steal rust free 450!  Muhahahahaahaaha

Err... uhh  I mean 

So ... where's it located?

On 9/28/05, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've found a rust free 450SEL and I'm curious if the car will run on 
> mid-grade gas.
>
> Also, what mileage can I expect on the road?
>
> Thanks,
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Re: [MBZ] 1977 450SEL

[Tom Hargrave]

This one's out of North Mississippi. 


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1977 450SEL

Must ... resist ... urge ... to Drive all over AL looking for rust free W116

On 9/28/05, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've found a rust free 450SEL and I'm curious if the car will run on 
> mid-grade gas.

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

[Harry]

Skip the 420 and 560, if I was going that far for my money I'd go all the way 
to a S500. Much nicer than a 560, more power and better fuel economy


"Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>If you ever drove a 560, you would see what the difference is.  You 
>would then want one to play with on the weekends.  Speaking of which, I 
>really need to get out and un-mothball mine.
>
>OK Don wrote:
>
>> OK then, the long 126 chassis is great. The 560 has even more power,
>> but I would look at condition before quibbling over engine size. I
>> really like the 300SDL. Same chassis, wonderful Diesel engine.
>> 
>> On 9/27/05, Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>>Oh Don, I don't care about gas costs. I've driven fuel-sippers long enough
>>>that it's time to balance the scales.
>>>
>>>On 9/27/05, Harry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
Nice long wheel base Benz, low mileage for its age. Only a test drive will
tell


"Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


>you dont have to burn premium on those things.
>
>OK Don wrote:
>
>
>>The fuel mileage??? Premium gasoline???
>>
>>
>>
>>>What are the issues on these particular cars? I've only owned diesel

MBs.

>>
>>--
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>>Norman, OK
>>'87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC
>>The FSM created the Diesel Benz
>>http://www.venganza.org/
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>89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE,
>85 300D, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
>76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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>>>
>>>
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>> 
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>> --
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>> Norman, OK
>> '87 300SDL,  '81 240D,  '78 450SLC
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>  89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE,
>  85 300D,  83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
>  76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

[Harry]

Injection Pump

"Gabriel S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>what is an ip?
>
>On 9/28/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> I thought as they worn they started running lean which is why the ALDA
>> needs to be adjusted?
>>
>> Mathieu J. Cama wrote:
>>
>> > Andrew,
>> >
>> > Have your injectors tested. If they check out OK, then check IP
>> > timing/chain stretch. Should this check out, it sounds like your IP is
>> > running rich. With your mileage, the IP is about due for a rebuilding.
>> > As they wear, it is not uncommon for the IP to run rich. If your
>> > compression is low, you will also use more fuel. You may want to also
>> > make sure you don't have a wheel with a brake dragging.
>> >
>> > Mathieu
>> >
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
>> 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE,
>> 85 300D, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
>> 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] 1977 450SEL

[Harry]

Most of those older Benz's do not require any type of high octane fuel. Higher 
octane gas which is mostly required in LEV's or Low Emission Vehicles. Higher 
octane say 91 or higher does not burn faster than say 87 or 89 it burns slower 
which results in a cleaner burn. Almost all of the pre 90's Benz's run fine on 
low octane and don't require anything more than 89 or less



"Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I will run on regular 87 or whatever just fine.
>
>Tom Hargrave wrote:
>
>> I've found a rust free 450SEL and I'm curious if the car will run on
>> mid-grade gas.
>> 
>> Also, what mileage can I expect on the road?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Tom Hargrave
>> 256-656-1924
>> www.kegkits.com
>> 
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>  89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE,
>  85 300D,  83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
>  76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] Exhaust system company link

[Chuck Landenberger]

I've had a Timevalve Stainless system on my 116/300SD for over 15  
years and they paid for a coupla' minor fixes..


Here's the website:   http://www.timevalve.com/

Take care,

Chuck
Phoenix, AZ

PS ..  Would appreciate a signature/name on posted emails..  
That way I "know" who I'm "talking to"... Thx.


On Sep 28, 2005, at 10:12 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Someone had posted about a company that had some good exhaust  
systems available.  They had stainless systems, with a lifetime  
guarantee.  My system crashed, and I lost the link.  Could someone  
post that again please?



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[MBZ] Exhaust system company link

[beswisck]

Someone had posted about a company that had some good exhaust systems 
available.  They had stainless systems, with a lifetime guarantee.  My system 
crashed, and I lost the link.  Could someone post that again please?

Re: [MBZ] 1977 450SEL

[Kevin]

On Wed, Sep 28, 2005 at 10:20:34AM -0500, Tom Hargrave wrote:
> I've found a rust free 450SEL and I'm curious if the car will run on
> mid-grade gas.

Rust free 116? Those had rust problems in California...

K

Re: [MBZ] 1977 450SEL

[Kevin]

On Wed, Sep 28, 2005 at 12:26:34PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Some other specs:  0-60 in 10.8 seconds with a top speed of 127  MPH.

Sounds like Casey's 87 300TD :)

K

Re: [MBZ] IP rebuilding (was: no subject)

[Dave M.]

Say what? I'm with Kleb, as they age, the IP's are almost always low
on fuel delivery, especially off idle - necessitating the ALDA
adjustment (richer). Almost all older, unmolested MB turbo diesels are
dogs (low fuel delivery) that wake up dramatically with a little
tweaking. I never hear of old diesels being too darn fast and blowing
black smoke while frying the tyres, Finnish-style...

;-)

-dm

> --
> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 11:13:06 -0400
> From: "Mathieu J. Cama" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] (no subject)
>
> That is the exact opposite of my experiences and those of my IP rebuilder.
>
> Mathieu
>
> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>
> >I thought as they worn they started running lean which is why the ALDA
> >needs to be adjusted?

Re: [MBZ] 1977 450SEL

[George Gregory]

In a message dated 9/28/2005 8:21:58 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I've  found a rust free 450SEL and I'm curious if the car will run on
mid-grade  gas.

Also, what mileage can I expect on the  road?


I had a 1979 450SEL from 1991 through 1998.

It was a great car and used regular unleaded fuel.  Fuel mileage was the
main reason I sold the car.  My mpg were usually south of 16mpg.  The best
I'd ever seen was on the highway driving was 17 or 18 mpg.

A huge car and very stout of performance.  My 116 was my first Mercedes, and
I've owned nothing but Mercedes since then.

GG

Re: [MBZ] 1977 450SEL

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I will run on regular 87 or whatever just fine.

Tom Hargrave wrote:


I've found a rust free 450SEL and I'm curious if the car will run on
mid-grade gas.

Also, what mileage can I expect on the road?

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
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Re: [MBZ] 35 mpg in some 124's!

[George Gregory]

On 9/28/05 11:33 AM, "Marshall Booth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Then your 124 weights about 1000 lbs more than the 124 diesels that
> Mercedes manufactured.


Maybe he has the updated Auric Goldfinger model!

GG

Re: [MBZ] 35 mpg in some 124's!

[Marshall Booth]

Gabriel S. wrote:

as far as the weight, you are correct, my 124 weights 4390lbs. As far as gas
mileage, I don't think i've gotten 35mpg.


Then your 124 weights about 1000 lbs more than the 124 diesels that 
Mercedes manufactured.


Marshall
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159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi

Re: [MBZ] W201 engine swapping

[Marshall Booth]

Mitch Haley wrote:

Let's say I have a 190D 2.5/auto and a 190E2.3-16, and I want to put
the 5 cylinder diesel in the 190E body with the 190E 5 sp tranny.
Does anything have to be fabricated or purchased, or is the
operation going to be a matter of swapping existing parts from donor
to recipient? Will the tranny be in the same place when bolted to
the 2.5 using 2.5 motor mounts as it was with the 2.3 gasser, or
am I going to have shift linkage/driveshaft issues?


You probably won't be able to fit a 602 engine into the 201.034 chassis 
(it MIGHT fit into a 190E 2.6 - MAYBE) without MAJOR alterations to the 
chassis. The 190D 2.5 chassis were stretched up front - different 
radiators and so forth - from the earlier cars to fit in the longer 
engine. I'm NOT saying it can't be done, but look VERY carefully and see 
how things fit into one versus the other. Pay particular attention to 
the radiator, AC condenser, fans, fan shroud and AC stuff.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] 1977 450SEL

[JFreezn]

 
In a message dated 9/28/2005 8:21:58 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I've  found a rust free 450SEL and I'm curious if the car will run on
mid-grade  gas.

Also, what mileage can I expect on the  road?



Tom,
 
Nitske's page on the 450SEL cover 72-80 model years so his fuel consumption  
figure of 16 MPG is pretty general.  Given that the 72-78 had a 3.07 rear  
gear, the 79 had 3.06(?), and the 80 had 2.65:1.  Your 77 would have a  
performance gear and I would suspect 16 would be hard to average pulling around 
 4100 
pounds.  
 
The fuel is specified as US: no lead fuel with no mention of octane, which  
implies low octane is OK.  The 6.9 page, for example, calls for "super" in  the 
fuel category.  US horsepower for the 77 is quoted at an anemic 180  (@4750 
rpm) with a compression ration of 8.0:1, which should be very happy on  the 
cheapest blends.  Fuel tank capacity was 25.4 gallons.
 
Some other specs:  0-60 in 10.8 seconds with a top speed of 127  MPH.  the 77 
sold new for $24,506 (east cost POE).  Of the  59,575 sold in the USA, 10,042 
were labeled 77s.
 
If you buy the car, I would be glad to scan the two pages for your  files.
 
Regards,  

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 261 K miles 
98 ML 320, 137 K  miles

Re: [MBZ] 1977 450SEL

[Ed Booher]

Must ... resist ... urge ... to Drive all over AL looking for rust free W116

On 9/28/05, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've found a rust free 450SEL and I'm curious if the car will run on
> mid-grade gas.

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Re: [MBZ] '87 300D opinion

[Marshall Booth]

OK Don wrote:

I'm looking at an eBay '87 300D that the owner says the following
about when questioned about the condition of the car:

"The injection pump may be an issue in the future, it is adjusted
correctly so the engine idles smooth and has all the correct power,
but the setting is out of spec to get a correctly running engine."

Does that sounds scary, or not an issue for a 603.960 engine?


I would NOT suggest buying a car that has had the injection pump 
"adjusted." Maybe the ALDA tweaked, but NOTHING else. The pumps should 
last about as long as the engine, should NOT need "adjustment" and there 
are VERY few shops capable of adjusting the pump properly (when properly 
adjusted it runs fine at idle AND on the highway ;-)!


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Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting Help Needed - Solved?

[B Dike]

Yes, the brushes looked fine, just like those in the
picture Marshall posted.

B.

--- "G.E." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> did you pull the VR and make sure it's not just worn
> out brushes? 
> 
> isildur
> 
> On Tue, 27 Sep 2005, B Dike wrote:
> 
> > I think I found the problem.  The alternator isn't
> > generating any current.  The barcode label on it
> says
> > "World Class Remanufacturing".  Thanks all for the
> > help.
> > 
> > Bruce
> > 
> > --- Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > B Dike wrote:
> > > > All,
> > > > 
> > > > My 77 240D battery is draining every couple
> days. 
> > > It
> > > > occurs with a couple different good batteries,
> so
> > > it's
> > > > either the charging system or a current drain.
>  Is
> > > > there a simple way to check the alternater and
> > > voltage
> > > > regulator?  I only have a small multimeter.
> > > 
> > > If a replacement alternator is required, the
> most
> > > reliable option is a 
> > > GENUINE Bosch rebuild (that's not just a rebuilt
> > > Bosch alternator, but 
> > > one that BOSCH rebuilds) that will come with a 2
> > > year warranty including 
> > > road service.
> > > 
> > > Marshall
> > > -- 
> > > Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to
> unsigned
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> > >"der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D
> 2.2
> > > 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 
> > > 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi
> > >Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member
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> > > 
> http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm
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Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

[Marshall Booth]

andrew strasfogel wrote:

My 1983 300TD with 276 K miles has suffered diminishing fuel economy over
time (more accurately, I have been doing the suffering). Now, I get about 20
mpg in typical stop and go city driving, with the occasional 10 mile
interstate cruise thrown in for good measure. 10 years ago it was more like
24 mpg although this probably involved somewhat more highway driving.
 The car operates flawlessly otherwise. Is there anything I can do to get
back to 24 mpg?


If ALL of the routine maintenance such as valve adjustment, timing 
change stretch check, thermostat (suboptimal operating temps from a 
partially stuck open thermostat will seriously reduce fuel economy - 
especially in stop and go or city driving), etc. has been performed, 
then check the injection pump timing and finally test the injectors. 
Their spray pattern and injection pressures must be within tolerance and 
they must not dribble. If everything seems perfect, then maybe changing 
the delivery valve seals will help.


20 mpg in city driving with an OM617.95 is not out of line - perhaps 
even QUITE usual - especially if you are buying average #2 diesel fuel 
that most dealers sell (the very best fuel that's available will usually 
raise economy by 10% or a bit more - but will have little effect if the 
engine is not fully warming up).


Marshall
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159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi

Re: [MBZ] This is bizarre...

[Sunil Hari]

why would i pay anything for it when i can just go and steal parts from it
at night?

On 9/28/05, Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The link got corrupted.
>
> Enter item # 8003586735
>
> Mac
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> > Mac,
> > It's goneWhat was bizarre? Mike
> > - Original Message -
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> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 9:41 AM
> > Subject: [MBZ] This is bizarre...
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-380SL-1982-xclnt-peice-of-junk_W0QQi
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> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting Help Needed - Solved?

[G.E.]

did you pull the VR and make sure it's not just worn out brushes? 

isildur

On Tue, 27 Sep 2005, B Dike wrote:

> I think I found the problem.  The alternator isn't
> generating any current.  The barcode label on it says
> "World Class Remanufacturing".  Thanks all for the
> help.
> 
> Bruce
> 
> --- Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > B Dike wrote:
> > > All,
> > > 
> > > My 77 240D battery is draining every couple days. 
> > It
> > > occurs with a couple different good batteries, so
> > it's
> > > either the charging system or a current drain.  Is
> > > there a simple way to check the alternater and
> > voltage
> > > regulator?  I only have a small multimeter.
> > 
> > If a replacement alternator is required, the most
> > reliable option is a 
> > GENUINE Bosch rebuild (that's not just a rebuilt
> > Bosch alternator, but 
> > one that BOSCH rebuilds) that will come with a 2
> > year warranty including 
> > road service.
> > 
> > Marshall
> > -- 
> >   Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned
> > questions)
> >"der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2
> > 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 
> > 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi
> >Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member
> > GWSection
> >  http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] 1977 450SEL

[Ed Booher]

I kill you now and steal rust free 450!  Muhahahahaahaaha

Err... uhh  I mean 

So ... where's it located?

On 9/28/05, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've found a rust free 450SEL and I'm curious if the car will run on
> mid-grade gas.
>
> Also, what mileage can I expect on the road?
>
> Thanks,
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Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

[Mathieu J. Cama]

Injection pump.

Gabriel S. wrote:


what is an ip?
 

[MBZ] 1977 450SEL

[Tom Hargrave]

I've found a rust free 450SEL and I'm curious if the car will run on
mid-grade gas.

Also, what mileage can I expect on the road?

Thanks,
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Re: [MBZ] OH BOY

[Ed Booher]

What?!  What?!  What's wrong? I can't eBay from Work!!  Gahhh!!!

On 9/28/05, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I could just barf.
>
> On 9/27/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300SD-1979-300SD-Mercedes-Benz-chevy-350-conversion_W0QQitemZ4578643782QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

[Mathieu J. Cama]

That is the exact opposite of my experiences and those of my IP rebuilder.

Mathieu

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

I thought as they worn they started running lean which is why the ALDA 
needs to be adjusted?


 

Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

[Gabriel S.]

what is an ip?

On 9/28/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I thought as they worn they started running lean which is why the ALDA
> needs to be adjusted?
>
> Mathieu J. Cama wrote:
>
> > Andrew,
> >
> > Have your injectors tested. If they check out OK, then check IP
> > timing/chain stretch. Should this check out, it sounds like your IP is
> > running rich. With your mileage, the IP is about due for a rebuilding.
> > As they wear, it is not uncommon for the IP to run rich. If your
> > compression is low, you will also use more fuel. You may want to also
> > make sure you don't have a wheel with a brake dragging.
> >
> > Mathieu
> >
> >
>
> --
> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
> 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE,
> 85 300D, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
> 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I thought as they worn they started running lean which is why the ALDA 
needs to be adjusted?


Mathieu J. Cama wrote:


Andrew,

Have your injectors tested. If they check out OK, then check IP 
timing/chain stretch. Should this check out, it sounds like your IP is 
running rich. With your mileage, the IP is about due for a rebuilding. 
As they wear, it is not uncommon for the IP to run rich. If your 
compression is low, you will also use more fuel. You may want to also 
make sure you don't have a wheel with a brake dragging.


Mathieu




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Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

[Mathieu J. Cama]

Andrew,

Have your injectors tested. If they check out OK, then check IP 
timing/chain stretch. Should this check out, it sounds like your IP is 
running rich. With your mileage, the IP is about due for a rebuilding. 
As they wear, it is not uncommon for the IP to run rich. If your 
compression is low, you will also use more fuel. You may want to also 
make sure you don't have a wheel with a brake dragging.


Mathieu

andrew strasfogel wrote:


My 1983 300TD with 276 K miles has suffered diminishing fuel economy over
time (more accurately, I have been doing the suffering). Now, I get about 20
mpg in typical stop and go city driving, with the occasional 10 mile
interstate cruise thrown in for good measure. 10 years ago it was more like
24 mpg although this probably involved somewhat more highway driving.
The car operates flawlessly otherwise. Is there anything I can do to get
back to 24 mpg?
 

Re: [MBZ] '82 240D engine in a '79 300TD wagon?

[Van Cleve]

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Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 07:09:26 -0400

I have a Euro "82" 300TD that I am putting a 616 engine and manual tranny 
into, since I have the 240TD badge installed guess I'll have to carry on 
:-).   the leveling system uses a generic convertible (top) hydraulic 
pump.  The engine & tranny should drip right in. The pedal assembly is all 
set up.  The total weight of the wagon should be slightly over 100 lbs MORE 
than the sedan so she wont be too bad with a manny tranny but might  be 
kind of a dog with an automatic. :'(



Regards   Steve Van Cleve
Marrowstone Isl Wa

"85" Euro 240D 5 spd 110K
"79" 240D 5spd  fresh tranny transplan
"82" Euro 300 TD non turbo, project wagon
"94" Dodge, 2500, 5 spd, 5.9 Cummins, 95K


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A 240TD was available in Europe. You would need a head with a pump for the 
auto leveling system, a driveshaft and speedo. I believe the differential 
ratio is also different.


Dan Steadman
1980 300D
1980 300TD Euro

- Original Message - From: "David Goldsmith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 7:23 PM
Subject: [MBZ] '82 240D engine in a '79 300TD wagon?



Hi!  What body type and transmission would a '79 300TD
wagon have and would either of these require
substantial modification to use an '82 240D engine?
Thanks!

DG

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Re: [MBZ] 35 mpg in some 124's!

[Gabriel S.]

as far as the weight, you are correct, my 124 weights 4390lbs. As far as gas
mileage, I don't think i've gotten 35mpg.

On 9/28/05, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Gabriel S wrote:
>
>
>
> "the 124 gets good fuel economy for weighing close to 5,000lbs, but
> 35mpg is insane...i never get that much, and if im pushing it, forget
> it!"
>
>
>
> The real truth -
>
>
>
> Not only is it not insane to get this kind of mileage, but the 124 does
> not weigh anything close to 5,000 lbs. My 124, a 1990 300D 2.5 247K,
> will get 35 mpg. It just did on a long trip that I took. On a trip
> where I was really pushing it lost of turnpike time at 80-85. I averaged
> over 1000 miles 33mpg. The 1990's 124 with the 2.5 get significantly
> better mileage then the other 124's. In fact, the best performing
> Mercedes Diesels (in terms of mileage) have the 2.5. I am talking about
> the 190D 2.5. Those cars are widely reported to get 40-45 with a manual.
>
>
>
>
> Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

If you ever drove a 560, you would see what the difference is.  You 
would then want one to play with on the weekends.  Speaking of which, I 
really need to get out and un-mothball mine.


OK Don wrote:


OK then, the long 126 chassis is great. The 560 has even more power,
but I would look at condition before quibbling over engine size. I
really like the 300SDL. Same chassis, wonderful Diesel engine.

On 9/27/05, Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Oh Don, I don't care about gas costs. I've driven fuel-sippers long enough
that it's time to balance the scales.

On 9/27/05, Harry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Nice long wheel base Benz, low mileage for its age. Only a test drive will
tell


"Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



you dont have to burn premium on those things.

OK Don wrote:



The fuel mileage??? Premium gasoline???




What are the issues on these particular cars? I've only owned diesel


MBs.



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Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

It would be a steal if it was 89 and later.  Those were more desirable

Harry wrote:
If everything works and there is no major rust or dents then its a steal if you really like it. 




"Donald Snook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




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 85 300D,  83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] '82 240D engine in a '79 300TD wagon?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

the 123lwb was also available with with the 240D engine, and it would 
have self leveling suspension as well.


Dan & Sandy Steadman wrote:

A 240TD was available in Europe. You would need a head with a pump for the 
auto leveling system, a driveshaft and speedo. I believe the differential 
ratio is also different.


Dan Steadman
1980 300D
1980 300TD Euro

- Original Message - 
From: "David Goldsmith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 7:23 PM
Subject: [MBZ] '82 240D engine in a '79 300TD wagon?




Hi!  What body type and transmission would a '79 300TD
wagon have and would either of these require
substantial modification to use an '82 240D engine?
Thanks!

DG

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Re: [MBZ] runaway 300SDL, diesels CAN smoke the tires

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

didnt think of that, will see if I can find one of the appropriate length.

Alex Chamberlain wrote:


Better yet, replace them with metal parts from an older car.  Epoxying
the plastic balljoints only postpones the inevitable.

I hate all that plastic crap in the throttle/IP/cruise/etc linkages on
the 603.  It's an accident waiting to happen---when something breaks
in there, either you get full throttle or none at all.  It's happened
to me once now on each of the 124s I've owned.

Next time I have my intake off I'm going on a search-and-destroy
mission for plastic.  Everything will be replaced with metal. 
Hopefully I can do it with parts from other cars, or cobble things

together with hardware-store bits, but I'm willing to shell out for
custom replacements to be machined.

On 9/27/05, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hmmm - sounds like another possible pre-emptive parts replacement
order from Rusty --

On 9/27/05, Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I used epoxy to fix the plastic ball joints on
the sliding linkage between the IP and CC servo bracket.

On 9/27/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Apparantly the linkage to the IP broke(looks like plastic) and stuck
the IP to full open throttle.Next I will try
some JB weld or something to fix that linkage.  Hope I dont have to pull
the manifold.




Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo

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Re: [MBZ] clones?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, Im assuming that was a joke.

Harry wrote:


I see alot of older Honda's around here and its the same thing, rusty but still 
running. Thats not reliability in my opinion, thats cheap workmanship. A truly 
dependable car should not only stand the test of time but look good too. Guess 
thats why we all like our Benz's



OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Same story from those I've talked to as well. The drive train keeps
going, but the body/chassis is falling apart around it.

On 9/27/05, Harry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Considering a couple of people I know who are long term owners of Honda and 
Toyotas even admitted that they weren't as good as they use to be. They still 
have decent engines and tranny's but the rest of the car is nothing more than 
crappy recycled plastic and metal. Buttons and knobs that fall off and even 
plastic trim that doesn't look like its suppose to be there. Their quality 
seems to be focused on their upscale Lexus's and Acuras cause both Honda's and 
Toyotas are going down the crapper


David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


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Re: [MBZ] St Louis fest? Preliminary thoughts and ramblings

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Yea thats probably doable for me.

tom savage wrote:


Hi everyone,
I've been thinking a bit more about the idea of a St Louis get together, 
and I've come up with the following ideas:


Date:  I am thinking that perhaps October 22 might be good.  It is still 
far enough in advance to make arrangements (hopefully), but the weather 
should still be decent, with fall colors still in bloom.  Our 
illustrious leader can likely make the trip all the way from Oklahoma 
this weekend, as well.  Would this date cause any problems for any 
interested parties?


Actvities:  The Kemp Auto Museum (http://kempautomuseum.com/) will of 
course be the centerpiece of the event.  It isn't huge, but we could 
easily spend hours there.  Afterwards we could stage an impromtu 
concours d'oilleak on the museum forecourt.  What else we do depends on 
the desires of attendees, ie carcentric, familycentric, raucous 
hellraisingcentric, etc.


There are many great winding country roads through the wine country of 
nearby St Charles county that would make for a nice senic 
tour/rallye/inaugural run of the Chesterfield Valley Grand Prix (to be 
contested under Formula Diesel rules; SL owners must first sign release 
form).


There's also the St Louis Science Center (http://www.slsc.org/) and City 
Museum (http://citymuseum.org/) if you're looking for something more 
family-oriented (and fun for kids of all ages).  And of course there's 
this big arch-shaped thing downtown.


St Louis also is home to a great Italian district with many excellent 
restaurants (http://www.diningstl.com/TheHill.htm).


The "what do we do" is pretty malleable, depending on how many people 
come from out of town, how long you wish to stay, and so on.  The date 
is fairly flexible, too, if a lot of people have conflicts that weekend.


So please let me know if you're interested, or if you have any thoughts 
about what to do, or when to do it.  This sounds like fun.


Tom

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Re: [MBZ] OH BOY

[andrew strasfogel]

I could just barf.

On 9/27/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300SD-1979-300SD-Mercedes-Benz-chevy-350-conversion_W0QQitemZ4578643782QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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> 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] Auto tranny 240Ds are slow!

[andrew strasfogel]

I have no idea what a Parker Wagon is. Please elaborate or explain to us
city folk.

On 9/27/05, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> LT Don wrote:
> > I need one of those ... what is the HP on a W123 240D? I might
> custom-order
> > one.
>
> In 1977 it is 62 hp and 67 hp in 1980!!
>
> Marshall
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> 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi
>
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Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

[andrew strasfogel]

My 1983 300TD with 276 K miles has suffered diminishing fuel economy over
time (more accurately, I have been doing the suffering). Now, I get about 20
mpg in typical stop and go city driving, with the occasional 10 mile
interstate cruise thrown in for good measure. 10 years ago it was more like
24 mpg although this probably involved somewhat more highway driving.
 The car operates flawlessly otherwise. Is there anything I can do to get
back to 24 mpg?

 On 9/27/05, John M McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Well I can say that my S500 got 21 mpg (the highest ever) at 90 - 100
> mph.
> epa rating is 13, 17, 15
> That car *like* higher speeds
>
> On 27-Sep-05, at 12:23 PM, Donald Snook wrote:
>
> > So I think this car really likes to run at
> > higher speeds.
> >
>
> John
> 1983 300TDt 358k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
> 1992 300TDt 148k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
> 1993 500SEL 168k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] This is bizarre...

[Steve MacSween]

The link got corrupted.

Enter item # 8003586735

Mac

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Mac,
> It's goneWhat was bizarre?  Mike
> - Original Message -
> From: "Steve MacSween" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 9:41 AM
> Subject: [MBZ] This is bizarre...
> 
> 
>> 
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-380SL-1982-xclnt-peice-of-junk_W0QQi
>> temZ8003586735QQcategoryZ6783QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>> 
>> 

Re: [MBZ] tool, left side, right side.

[andrew strasfogel]

L vs. R has NOTHING to do with where the driver sits!!
 To avoid confusion, I always think of L and R as being derived from the
vantage point of ANYONE sitting in the car facing forward, since half the
world drives on the wrong, er right, side of the car... So even a PASSENGER
can determine which is L or R.


 On 9/27/05, Don & Teresa Merriman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Always from the drivers position, LH side.
>
> On 9/27/05, John M McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I've tool to adjust an issue with door latch on the w124, but I note
> > it's marked L for left side. There is a tool marked R for right
> > side, btw and they are not interchangeable.
> > Question is from a mechanics viewpoint, is L (left) for driver side?
> >
> >
> > John
> > 1983 300TDt 358k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
> > 1992 300TDt 148k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
> > 1993 500SEL 168k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 190D hit on front right.

[Mike Canfield]

Sorry to hear about your lossDealing with insurance companies always 
stinks.
On the other noteSounds like a good engine donor for a genset 
project I would like to build.  What would you like to get for it?


Mike
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Subject: [MBZ] 1987 190D hit on front right.



On the plus side, I don't need that heater blower any more. On the
minus side, it was my daughter's fault, so we are going to be out a
doo-doo load of money.

Anyone need a parts car around Columbus, OH?

Any suggestions? I've never had to do this before.

The hit started at the FR tire and slid back through the front door. I
suspect the cabin is deformed. Actually, it must be, because the
front glass is broken due to the deformation. The car was not in
cosmetically good enough shape to even think about fixing it, but it
ran solid.

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Re: [MBZ] This is bizarre...

[Mike Canfield]

Mac,
 It's goneWhat was bizarre?  Mike
- Original Message - 
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Subject: [MBZ] This is bizarre...




http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-380SL-1982-xclnt-peice-of-junk_W0QQi
temZ8003586735QQcategoryZ6783QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem



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Re: [MBZ] This is bizarre...

[Harry]

very odd, they removed it from listing. smells like a scam


Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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Re: [MBZ] clones?

[Harry]

I have to admit I would certainly love to get my hands on a Honda S2000 as a 
replacemnt for my Mustang Cobra that I sadly had to sell. The sound of a 
screaming engine at 8,000 rpms just boils my blood. Its too bad that a lot of 
the Honda, Toyotas and even the others like Kia are starting to look a lot like 
each other. Yep, I would say bland is the word here except for Nissan who has 
taken a real sporting image over the last few years. I still like the 280Z's of 
the 70's and the last few that were made in the 90's. 


Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> I see alot of older Honda's around here and its the same thing, rusty but
>> still running. Thats not reliability in my opinion, thats cheap workmanship. 
>> A
>> truly dependable car should not only stand the test of time but look good 
>> too.
>
>To be fair, I think that needs to be seen through the lens of the original
>pricing on Hondas. 
>
>I am lukewarm on most Toyotas, but I have a great amount of respect for
>Honda products. They don't match my criteria for a complete quality
>automobile, but IMHO they deliver a great amount of bang for the buck and
>their styling manages to be contemporary without being stupid or overdone.
>Nissan has really turned itself around over the last five years or so as
>well.
>
>Mac
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!

[Kevin J. Slater]

I had almost the same symtoms. I have records from the previous owner but
it doesn't show when the trap was replaced. I had a bad temp sensor in car
(plus other issues) and managed to overheat the engine on the way home one
time. That was enough to start the process of coolant loss. I was only
using the 300TD to go back and forth to the bus stop so I lived with it
for a while, but the clouds of white smoke in the cool mornings were
really getting outrageous and so I went out and found a #17 head. I think
I paid $850 + shipping from TN to PA. And that was my cheapest find and it
took a while to locate. I'd pay attention to what Dave's saying. He may be
overly cautious on this one, but you don't want to have to find a head,
take it from me.

...Kevin
87 300TD 277k miles

Dave M. said:
> My 617 also likes to keep some pressure in the system when cold, but
> it's not the 15-20psi that I observed with the 603 cracked heads. I
> wouldn't worry about it on a 61x engine, or even 601/602, unless there
> are other symptoms. On a 603 however I'd be monitoring the situation
> very closely.
>
> Some of you may remember Justin Dobbs from a previous MB email list,
> who had the perssure syndrome and ignored it, as most people do. About
> a year later it started using coolant and then hydrolocked. I think he
> ended up getting a used engine to swap in, something about damage to
> the block surface (I forget though.) I think I heard of nearly a dozen
> failed heads in the past 18 months or so, from the email list and
> various MB web forums.
>
> FWIW, a brand new head is about $1600 (wholesale) from Rusty... less
> than half that for a good used #17 head.
>
> =)
>
> -dm
>
>> --
>> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:01:21 -0700
>> From: Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] got my 87 300TD!
>>
>> My '84 OM617 also maintains pressure in the cooling system for long
>> periods, and it hasn't shown any signs of overheating or coolant loss
>> to date.  Until I observe some other signs of cooling system
>> anomalies, I'll continue to happily drive both engine types like I
>> "stole em".
>>
>> MMMV unter Druck
>>
>> Casey
>> Olympia, WA
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[MBZ] This is bizarre...

[Steve MacSween]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-380SL-1982-xclnt-peice-of-junk_W0QQi
temZ8003586735QQcategoryZ6783QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem