Re: [newbie-it] Proprietario di un file

2003-01-27 Thread Santarella Benedetto
Alle 11:12, sabato 25 gennaio 2003, Santarella Benedetto ha scritto:
Se vi interessa, il proprietario e il gruppo reale, sono gli UID e GID, di che 
si loga, mentre quelli effettivi, sono gli UID e GID del proprietario del 
file che stiamo eseguendo, in maniera privileggiata.

Es. Se mi logo come paperino, l' UID e GID reali sono paperino paperino,
ma se eseguo una mount, dovrei avere i permessi di root,che non ho, ma se 
mount ha il setuid settato, lo posso eseguire, con UID e GID effettivo pari a 
root root!

Spero che sia chiaro!!!

 Qual'e' la differenza tra un proprietario reale e quello effettivo???

 Se non erro, uno dovrebbe essere il creatore del file, e l'altro
 l'utilizzatore!!!

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[newbie-it] Ancora problemi col lettore Cd

2003-01-27 Thread Andrea Cecagallina
Salve a tutti!

Ho seguito i consigli dati nel msg Removable media, ma senza alcun successo.
Quindi sono nuovamente a seccarvi per il mio problema.

Il lettore Cd (Asus 50x) viene correttamente identificato da Mandrake 9.0 e 
montato come /mnt/cdrom.
Come /mnt/cdrom2 viene montato il masterizzatore (Traxdata 2x2x6x).

Purtroppo non riesco a far leggere a Mandrake i Cd dati inseriti nell'Asus: 
mi dice che non c'è dentro nulla.

Ho seguito, come detto, i consigli del messaggio, ma con il solo scopo di 
far sparire dal desktop l'icona del Cdrom: posso montarlo a mano, ma anche 
in questo caso non cambia il problema. Il disco non viene letto.
Ammetto di aver usato Gnome invece di Kde: che possa essere questo il 
problema? Non credo :(

Non so che fare...

Inoltre non riesco nemmeno a cambiare le fonti per gli aggiornamenti dei 
pacchetti
Ho provato a disabilitare quelle che puntavano all'Asus per impostarle sul 
masterizzatore (lì i dischi vengono letti), ma non ci sono riuscito: mi 
chiede sempre di inserire il disco nel lettore

Che fare?
Cambiare distribuzione? Me ne potete consigliare un'altra?

Grazie per la pazienza
Andrea 





[newbie-it] Dual Boot con Win2000

2003-01-27 Thread Andrea Cecagallina
Ciao!

Vorrei provare ad installare Mandrake 9.0 in dual boot sul Pc dell'ufficio.
Dato che ho paura che succedano casini (a casa mi è toccato reinstallare 
Linux perchè Lilo aveva fatto dei danni... Se volete poi vi spiego che mi 
era successo...), vorrei crearmi un disco di ripristino di 2000.

Purtroppo non so come fare: non c'è la stessa possibilità che viene 
offerta, ad esempio, su 98
Ovviamente abbiamo anche i Cd originali e tutto: per caso devo usare il Cd?

Qualcuno mi può consigliare?

Grazie mille
Andrea 





R: [newbie-it] Ancora problemi col lettore Cd

2003-01-27 Thread Enrico Piccinini

Sono appena uscito dal baratro CDRom anch'io.

Hai mai provato a scambiare master con slave? Io avevo un TraxData che
funzionava bene come master ma mi rendeva inaccessibile lo slave, scambiando
master con slave tutto è partito correttamente.
Aggiungo una cosa, che con il mio TraxData, (dalla versione Mandrake 8.1 in
poi) non sono più riuscito ad abilitare l'emulazione scsi e ad utilizzarlo
come masterizzatore. L'ho sostituito con un LG e tutto adesso funziona bene.

Un saluto
Enrico


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Inviato: lunedì 27 gennaio 2003 11.10
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Oggetto: [newbie-it] Ancora problemi col lettore Cd


Salve a tutti!

Ho seguito i consigli dati nel msg Removable media, ma senza alcun
successo.
Quindi sono nuovamente a seccarvi per il mio problema.

Il lettore Cd (Asus 50x) viene correttamente identificato da Mandrake 9.0 e
montato come /mnt/cdrom.
Come /mnt/cdrom2 viene montato il masterizzatore (Traxdata 2x2x6x).

Purtroppo non riesco a far leggere a Mandrake i Cd dati inseriti nell'Asus:
mi dice che non c'è dentro nulla.

Ho seguito, come detto, i consigli del messaggio, ma con il solo scopo di
far sparire dal desktop l'icona del Cdrom: posso montarlo a mano, ma anche
in questo caso non cambia il problema. Il disco non viene letto.
Ammetto di aver usato Gnome invece di Kde: che possa essere questo il
problema? Non credo :(

Non so che fare...

Inoltre non riesco nemmeno a cambiare le fonti per gli aggiornamenti dei
pacchetti
Ho provato a disabilitare quelle che puntavano all'Asus per impostarle sul
masterizzatore (lì i dischi vengono letti), ma non ci sono riuscito: mi
chiede sempre di inserire il disco nel lettore

Che fare?
Cambiare distribuzione? Me ne potete consigliare un'altra?

Grazie per la pazienza
Andrea







Re: [newbie-it] Dual Boot con Win2000

2003-01-27 Thread Andrea Celli
On Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:10:22 +0100
Andrea Cecagallina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ciao!
 
 Vorrei provare ad installare Mandrake 9.0 in dual boot sul Pc dell'ufficio.
 Dato che ho paura che succedano casini (a casa mi è toccato reinstallare 
 Linux perchè Lilo aveva fatto dei danni... 

In questi casi, la via più tranquilla è installare Linux senza fargli scrivere
Lilo su MBR, ma solo sul settore di boot della partizione dove c'è la directory /boot,
normalmente è /.

Poi copi questo settore su un file pippo con il comando
 dd if=/dev/hdXX of=pippo count=1 bs=512
con XX opportuni, in dipendenza di quale partizione usi.

Infine, usando un floppy, trasferisci il file pippo nella partizione win e modifichi
il file nascosto C:\boot.ini aggiungendo una riga conscritto che può avviare
Linux dal file pippo. Se ben ricordo è
C:\pippo  Linux Mandrake-9.0

A questo punto, sarai in grado di avviare linux dal loader di XP.

Maggiori dettagli li trovi nel Linux+NT-loader mini-howto.

ciao, andrea




Re: [newbie-it] Ancora problemi col lettore Cd

2003-01-27 Thread tom
Alle 10:10, lunedì 27 gennaio 2003, Andrea Cecagallina ha scritto:
 Salve a tutti!

 Ho seguito i consigli dati nel msg Removable media, ma senza alcun
 successo.

quale era il tuo obiettivo?

 Quindi sono nuovamente a seccarvi per il mio problema.

no problem :)

 Il lettore Cd (Asus 50x) viene correttamente identificato da Mandrake 9.0 e
 montato come /mnt/cdrom.
 Come /mnt/cdrom2 viene montato il masterizzatore (Traxdata 2x2x6x).

copia-incolla lilo.conf e fstab
avevi abilitato l'emulazione scsi al lettore?

 Purtroppo non riesco a far leggere a Mandrake i Cd dati inseriti nell'Asus:
 mi dice che non c'è dentro nulla.

forse è il supermount che colpisce ancora...
domanda: prima di fare tutte le operazioni descritte in removable media
il lettore funziava?...o non ha mai funzionato?
il cd da segni di vita?(si mette a frullare)

 Ho seguito, come detto, i consigli del messaggio, ma con il solo scopo di
 far sparire dal desktop l'icona del Cdrom: 

era questo lo scopo del post!

 posso montarlo a mano, ma anche
 in questo caso non cambia il problema. Il disco non viene letto.

se vai nella dir /mnt l'icona di cdron è con un luchetto??

 Ammetto di aver usato Gnome invece di Kde: che possa essere questo il
 problema? Non credo :(

assolutamente!

 Non so che fare...

 Inoltre non riesco nemmeno a cambiare le fonti per gli aggiornamenti dei
 pacchetti
 Ho provato a disabilitare quelle che puntavano all'Asus per impostarle sul
 masterizzatore (lì i dischi vengono letti), ma non ci sono riuscito: mi
 chiede sempre di inserire il disco nel lettore

 Che fare?
 Cambiare distribuzione? Me ne potete consigliare un'altra?

eheheheh :)
è la M.L. della Mandrake :-)
cmq pensi che tutti i tuoi problemi si risolveranno cambiando distro?
l'unico risultato sara che ne avrai di nuovi!

 Grazie per la pazienza
 Andrea

Ciao , Tom





Re: R: [newbie-it] Ancora problemi col lettore Cd

2003-01-27 Thread Andrea Cecagallina
At 11.24 27/01/2003 +0100, you wrote:

Hai mai provato a scambiare master con slave? Io avevo un TraxData che
funzionava bene come master ma mi rendeva inaccessibile lo slave, scambiando
master con slave tutto è partito correttamente.


Speravo di non dover aprire lo scatolotto del PC.
E' in posizione scomoda e sinceramente non ricordo chi sia master e chi sia 
slave Anche se, a rigor di logica, dovrei avere il lettore in Master 
dato che l'ho installato per primo
Cmq proverò anche questa. Spero solo di avere ancora gli schemini per 
il posizionamento dei jumper.

Aggiungo una cosa, che con il mio TraxData, (dalla versione Mandrake 8.1 in
poi) non sono più riuscito ad abilitare l'emulazione scsi e ad utilizzarlo
come masterizzatore. L'ho sostituito con un LG e tutto adesso funziona bene.


Non ho ancora provato a vedere questo: ti dico che viene visto come 
masterizzatore su /hdc (/hdb il lettore)...

Grazie
Andrea 





Re: [newbie-it] Dual Boot con Win2000

2003-01-27 Thread Andrea Cecagallina
At 11.32 27/01/2003 +0100, Andrea Celli wrote:

Maggiori dettagli li trovi nel Linux+NT-loader mini-howto.


Guarda che ho 2000
E' la stessa cosa?
Sai... non mi fido per nulla di Microsoft :)


Andrea 





Re: [newbie-it] Ancora problemi col lettore Cd

2003-01-27 Thread Fabio Manunza
Alle 10:10, lunedì 27 gennaio 2003, Andrea Cecagallina ha scritto:
 Salve a tutti!

 Ho seguito i consigli dati nel msg Removable media, ma senza alcun
 successo. Quindi sono nuovamente a seccarvi per il mio problema.

 Il lettore Cd (Asus 50x) viene correttamente identificato da Mandrake 9.0 e
 montato come /mnt/cdrom.
 Come /mnt/cdrom2 viene montato il masterizzatore (Traxdata 2x2x6x).

 Purtroppo non riesco a far leggere a Mandrake i Cd dati inseriti nell'Asus:
 mi dice che non c'è dentro nulla.

 Ho seguito, come detto, i consigli del messaggio, ma con il solo scopo di
 far sparire dal desktop l'icona del Cdrom: posso montarlo a mano, ma anche
 in questo caso non cambia il problema. Il disco non viene letto.
 Ammetto di aver usato Gnome invece di Kde: che possa essere questo il
 problema? Non credo :(

Il supermount è disabilitato? Ha creato un mucchio di problemi, ultimamente.
Ti dispiacerebbe, se non l'hai già fatto, postare le righe relative ai device 
interessati presenti in /etc/fstab?
Prova ad accedere ai cdrom con mc, da console (è solo per controllare)

 Inoltre non riesco nemmeno a cambiare le fonti per gli aggiornamenti dei
 pacchetti
 Ho provato a disabilitare quelle che puntavano all'Asus per impostarle sul
 masterizzatore (lì i dischi vengono letti), ma non ci sono riuscito: mi
 chiede sempre di inserire il disco nel lettore

 Che fare?
 Cambiare distribuzione? Me ne potete consigliare un'altra?

Nono, questo problema consegue da quell'altro; risolto il primo è risolto 
anche il secondo.
Continuo a pensare che, a parte la gestione di supermount, mdk sia la migliore 
distro in ambito desktop.
Vale.

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Re: [newbie-it] Dual Boot con Win2000

2003-01-27 Thread Sandro Porrazzini
Il lun, 2003-01-27 alle 11:10, Andrea Cecagallina ha scritto:
 Ciao!
 
 Vorrei provare ad installare Mandrake 9.0 in dual boot sul Pc dell'ufficio.
 Dato che ho paura che succedano casini (a casa mi è toccato reinstallare 
 Linux perchè Lilo aveva fatto dei danni... Se volete poi vi spiego che mi 
 era successo...), vorrei crearmi un disco di ripristino di 2000.
 
 Purtroppo non so come fare: non c'è la stessa possibilità che viene 
 offerta, ad esempio, su 98
 Ovviamente abbiamo anche i Cd originali e tutto: per caso devo usare il Cd?
 
 Qualcuno mi può consigliare?
 
 Grazie mille
 Andrea 


Per ripristinare windows 2000 (intendo il boot loader dello stesso) non
serve un floppy di ripristino, ma esiste una procedura da effettuare con
il cd di w2000 stesso.
Eccola:

RIPRISTINO DEL BOOT LOADER DI WIN2000

Se il computer supporta l'avvio da cd-rom, avviare
windows da cd-rom.
Quando si raggiunge una schermata come questa:


*

 Installazione di Windows 2000 Professional

 Installazione

 Questa fase dell'installazione del sistema operativo Microsoft (R)
 Windows 2000 prepara Windows 2000 (TM) per l'esecuzione sul computer.

 Per installare Windows 2000 premere INVIO
 Per ripristinare un'installazione di Windows 2000, premere R
 Per uscire dal programma di installazione senza installare premere
F3




Premere quindi R per ripristinare l'installazione.
La schermata sauccessiva offre la scelta tra l'uso della consolle di
ripristino (premere C) o l'uso del processo di ripristino di emergenza
(premere
 R).
Entrambi i metodi dovrebbero funzionare.

Per usare la console di ripristino (consigliata) bisogna fornire la
password di
 amministratore.
Al prompt digitare fixboot per ripristinare il settore di avvio,
quindi
 digitare
exit per riavviareil computer.

Per utilizzare, invece, il ripristino di emergenza, premere M
(ripristino
 manuale) e
deselezionare tutte le opzioni tranne la terza, riguardante il controllo
del
settore di avvio.
Seguire tutte le istruzioni mostrate sullo schermo per completare il
ripristino.

Note
Questo processo copia il settore di avvio attuale nel file Bootsect.dos,
e
lo sostituisce con il settore di avvio di Windows 2000


Ciao
Sandro

 
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Re: [newbie-it] Dual Boot con Win2000

2003-01-27 Thread Andrea Cecagallina
At 11.48 27/01/2003 +, you wrote:

Se LILO non ti ha soddisfatto, prova ad usare GRUB.
E' possibile comunque che LILO non fosse correttamente impostato, e che per
questo ti creasse problemi.


Per un paio di volte ha funzionato bene poi all'avvio è partito con L 99 99 
99 99 etc.
Dal momento che volevo verificare una cosa, ho preferito piallare LInux e 
reinstallarlo


Hai possibilità di postare il lilo.conf, così da verificare la correttezza
delle impostazioni?


Se mi si dovesse riproporre il problema lo farò di certo.
Ora avevo bisogno di info prima di fare casini sul Pc dell'ufficio, anche 
se il S.O. ed i dati principali sono sul disco C e non sul D dal quale 
ricaverei la partizione nella quale mettere Mandrake...


Distinti saluti
Andrea
Ufficio Biglietteria 





Re: [newbie-it] Dual Boot con Win2000

2003-01-27 Thread Andrea Cecagallina
At 15.09 27/01/2003 +0100, you wrote:

Per ripristinare windows 2000 (intendo il boot loader dello stesso) non
serve un floppy di ripristino, ma esiste una procedura da effettuare con
il cd di w2000 stesso.


Perfetto!

Grazie mille...

Domani, tmpo permettendo, inizierò l'installazione!

Ciao
Andrea 





Re: R: R: [newbie-it] Ancora problemi col lettore Cd

2003-01-27 Thread Andrea Cecagallina
At 15.20 27/01/2003 +0100, you wrote:

master. Ho letto in diverse recensioni che sarebbe meglio, anzitutto mettere
masterizzatore e lettore su IDE2 per non rallentare le operazioni che
conivolgono l'hard-disk.
Io partirei da lì. Sicuramente migliori la situazione. Dopodichè facci
sapere come evolve la situazione.


Proverò nahce se mi piange il cuore a dover riaprire  il Pc: mi prende 
male... :)

Comunque non mancherò di scrivere ancora, dato che installerò Mandrake 
anche sul Pc in ufficio almeno faccio pratica, visto che a casa lo riesco 
ad usare poco o nulla a causa di moglie e figlia... :)

Grazie ancora
Andrea 





Re: [newbie-it] Dual Boot con Win2000

2003-01-27 Thread Andrea Celli
On Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:34:50 +0100
Andrea Cecagallina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 At 11.32 27/01/2003 +0100, Andrea Celli wrote:
 Maggiori dettagli li trovi nel Linux+NT-loader mini-howto.
 
 Guarda che ho 2000
 E' la stessa cosa?
 Sai... non mi fido per nulla di Microsoft :)
 

NT, 2000 e XP usano lo stesso tipo di loader.


ciao, andrea




[newbie-it] Re: [newbie-it] possibile il boot da zip parallelo?

2003-01-27 Thread LukenShiro
On Sun, 26 Jan 2003, carmine de pasquale wrote:
 fanziona in emulazione scsi da porta parallela, quindi suppongo che
 debba caricare un driver prima del boot.

 Mi spiace, ma sulla base delle informazioni contenute in:
http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/ZIP-Install.htm e
http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/ZIP-Drive.html
suppongo che non sia possibile utilizzarlo come dispositivo autonomo di
avvio.

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Re: [newbie-it] Open office e Sun [OT]

2003-01-27 Thread freefred
On Monday 27 January 2003 5:59 pm, Enrico Teotti wrote about [newbie-it] Open 
office e Sun [OT]:
 Ciao,
 ho da qualche settimana installato OpenOffice sul PC dell'ufficio.
 Però il fatto che sia prodotto da Sun ha fatto insospettire alcuni miei
 colleghi, che mi hanno subito fatto notare che una azienda del suo genere
 non sposorizzerebbe come membro fondatore una organizzazione se non avesse
 interessi finanziari. 

Mh, c'e' un po' di confusione.
Alla fine quello della Sun e' StarOffice.
Trovi le differenze nei vari doc in rete.
Resta il fatto comunque che open source non significa
free, e cioe' non vuol dire che non ci si debba guadagnare.

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[newbie-it] Zope...

2003-01-27 Thread Yddu
Ciao a tutti
Ho tentato di installare zope (scaricato dal sito zope.org)sulla mia mdk9,
lancio l'installazione (dalla cartella dove l'ho scompattato), sembra andare
tutto ok, ma quando provo a lanciarlo mi da il seguente messaggio, e
logicamente non parte:

[root@yddu zope26]# ./start
--
2003-01-22T21:31:25 INFO(0) zdaemon Started subprocess: pid 2826
--
2003-01-22T21:31:27 PANIC(300) z2 Startup exception
Traceback (innermost last):
  Module __main__, line 580, in ?
  Module string, line 1, in ?
  Module Zope, line 21, in ?
ImportError: No module named ZODB

Qualcuno di voi sa darmi un aiuto!?!
Grazie
Yddu





Re: [newbie-it] Open office e Sun [OT]

2003-01-27 Thread francesco.melo
Enrico Teotti wrote:


Ciao,
ho da qualche settimana installato OpenOffice sul PC dell'ufficio.
Però il fatto che sia prodotto da Sun ha fatto insospettire alcuni miei colleghi, che mi hanno subito fatto notare che una azienda del suo genere non sposorizzerebbe come membro fondatore una organizzazione se non avesse interessi finanziari. Ora vorrei sapere se questa supposizione è errata, e quindi cosa guadagna (non che io pensi sia una necessità guadagnare per fare qualcosa di valido) Sun da finanziare Openoffice.
Ciao a tutti e grazie delle info!
Enrico


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credo si possa esprimere un parere in proposito.
Sun , grazie ad openoffice ha avuto la possibilità di realizzare
statoffice 6 un prodotto di altissimo livello
e capace di rivaleggiare con office
si è ritrovata una miriade di valenti programmatori di enti pubblici, di
aziende private interessati ad un prodotto alternativo ad office senza
doverli stipendiare direttamente.
piccolissimo esempio .
io sono una azienda ed ho 150 pc con corrisposndenti 150 licenze di
office per circa 50.000,00 € chiaramente preferisco pagare un
programmatore che mi lavori su un codice ad hoc
migliorando un prodotto piuttosto che dover usare office che solo in
licenze mi porta via un capitale.
la Sun ha interessi , nel vendere staroffice ,lo sta facendo ad intere
amministrazioni pubbliche , ed a quei livelli si lavora con assistenze,
con personalizzazioni ed è cmq un prodotto a pagamento.
sicuramente ci saranno anche altre motivazioni ...più tecniche o
economiche ...

ciao
francesco






Re: [newbie-it] Open office e Sun [OT]

2003-01-27 Thread carmine de pasquale
 io sono una azienda ed ho 150 pc con corrisposndenti 150 licenze di
 office per circa 50.000,00 € chiaramente preferisco pagare un
 programmatore che mi lavori su un codice ad hoc
 migliorando un prodotto piuttosto che dover usare office che solo in
 licenze mi porta via un capitale.

a quel prezzo assumi 2 informatici in regola o 4 in nero; MS rinnova il
prodotto buggato con relative licenze ogni max 2 anni e per le patch
devi aspettare sempre i comodi dei loro programmatori.
dall'uso di prodotti alternativi abbiamo tutti solo da guadagnarci.

la sun ne guadagna in pubblicità per sè (così la conoscono tutti),
risparmio(riuso del codice su staroffice), pubblicità dagli sponsors
(più un sito è visitato più costa mettere un banner), e soprattutto
costringe la ms ad abbassare i prezzi per i poveracci che abboccano.
inoltre quando si crea un prodotto informatico, esiste anche la
documentazione, i libri e le consulenze che rendono.






Re: [newbie-it] scheda video ATI Rage 128 Pro

2003-01-27 Thread Giorgio Griffon

 questo sembra un problema della scrittura del r128_drv
 chiama qualcosa che non c'è...
 boh
Ehm, adesso ho visto che dà sempre l'errore, ma non ci sono più i messaggi... 
forse lo fa solo nelle giornate di pioggia.

  - da mandrake control center porto la profondità di colore a
  24 bit, do OK, riavvio KDE, e quella torna da sola a 16 bit.

 hai provato a modificare a mano XF86Config-4?
 metti 24 come dafault in 'Depth'
 (commenta anche le altre che non usi, io le rimuovo)

Altroché, ho provato anche a togliere le subsection inutilizzate; ma lui 
ha sempre disponibile l'opzione 16 bit, e la sceglie senza esitazioni!
Grazie comunque.
   Giorgio
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Re: [newbie-it] Dual Boot con Win2000

2003-01-27 Thread Fabio Manunza
Alle 14:16, lunedì 27 gennaio 2003, Andrea Cecagallina ha scritto:
 At 11.48 27/01/2003 +, you wrote:
 Se LILO non ti ha soddisfatto, prova ad usare GRUB.
 E' possibile comunque che LILO non fosse correttamente impostato, e che
  per questo ti creasse problemi.

 Per un paio di volte ha funzionato bene poi all'avvio è partito con L 99 99
 99 99 etc.
 Dal momento che volevo verificare una cosa, ho preferito piallare LInux e
 reinstallarlo

Quando appare solo L, il problema sta proprio nella costruzione di lilo.conf; 
è quindi possibile che il tutto potesse risolversi semplicemente correggendo 
il file.
La prossima volta creati un floppy di avvio, così da bypassare eventuali 
problemi al momento del bootstrap.
Vale.

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Re: [newbie-it] problema driver scanner HP2200c

2003-01-27 Thread paolo brusasco
ho lo scanner in oggetto funzionante sotto mand 9.0:

1) cambiando premessi di /dev/scanner in rw-rw-rw-
2) mettendo in /etc/sane.d/dll.conf solo la riga
plustek
3) in /etc/sane.d/plustek.conf:
remmando tutto quello che c'e'prima di [usb]
mettendo
[usb] 0x03f0 0x0605
sopratutto dopo essere impazzito non mi sono fidato di dove dice
'autodetection is safe', remmando quindi
device/usbscanner
e mettendoalla fine
device /dev/usb/scanner0
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[newbie-it] Sylpheed

2003-01-27 Thread stormy
Ciao a tutti
Ho un problema con sylpheed e cioè succede che mi è sparita la barra
degli strumenti con le relative icone e se tento di metterla attraverso
il menu configurazione mi si pianta inesorabilmente 
Se invece metto l'opzione visualizza come testo
mi appare un tastino null
Mi pare di aver capito che si tratta di andare ad editare un file 
si ma quale? e sopratutto come??
Da console mi scrive quanto segue:

Sylpheed-CRITICAL **: file stock_pixmap.c: line 194
(stock_pixmap_widget): assertion `icon = 0  icon  N_STOCK_PIXMAPS'
failed.

Qualcuno saprebbe aiutarmi?
Grazie




[newbie-it] shorewall?

2003-01-27 Thread Fabio Manunza
Sfrugugliando con shorewall  mi ritrovo con queste regole di INPUT:
Chain INPUT (policy DROP)
target prot opt source   destination
ACCEPT all  --  anywhere anywhere
ppp0_inall  --  anywhere anywhere
common all  --  anywhere anywhere
LOGall  --  anywhere anywhere   LOG level info 
prefix `Shorewall:INPUT:REJECT:'
reject all  --  anywhere anywhere 

Ora, tenuto conto che la prima regola ad essere letta, se confermata, 
neutralizza le successive, mi pare che shorewall permetta qualunque cosa in 
entrata; la vedete anche voi così??
Se quello che penso è vero, dispiacerebbe a chi utilizza il suddetto, 
controllare se anche il suo #iptables -L corrisponde al mio?
Vale.

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Re: [newbie-it] Sylpheed

2003-01-27 Thread syd
* stormy wrote:

 Sylpheed-CRITICAL **: file stock_pixmap.c: line 194
 (stock_pixmap_widget): assertion `icon = 0  icon  N_STOCK_PIXMAPS'
 failed.

Premetto che non uso sylpheed; cerca il file stock_pixmap.c
all'interno della dir di configurazione di sylpheed (immagino si
trovi dentro la tua home) e vai alla riga 194. Se riesci a capire
cosa non va modifica la riga (fatti una copia del file prima di
editare).
Piu' semplicemente, fatti postare da qualcuno che usa sylpheed quel
file e confrontalo col tuo.
Si' lo so, non e' una soluzione ma credo che il percorso sia
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Re: R: R: [newbie-it] Ancora problemi col lettore Cd

2003-01-27 Thread Fabio
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Alle 15:44, lunedì 27 gennaio 2003, Andrea Cecagallina ha scritto:
 At 15.20 27/01/2003 +0100, you wrote:
 master. Ho letto in diverse recensioni che sarebbe meglio, anzitutto
  mettere masterizzatore e lettore su IDE2 per non rallentare le operazioni
Sperando che i collegamenti hardware siano corretti (ti si accendono almeno le 
lucine quando inserisci CDROM), prova a mandarci copia di lilo.conf e fstab, 
da lì possiamo verificare se c'è qualcosa di strano nella configurazione.
Cambiare distro non serve, ti hanno già risposto: nuova distro nuovi problemi 
;-)
a tua disposizione.. (almeno fin dove posso)
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Re: [newbie-it] shorewall?

2003-01-27 Thread Fabio
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Alle 00:14, martedì 28 gennaio 2003, Fabio Manunza ha scritto:
 Sfrugugliando con shorewall  mi ritrovo con queste regole di INPUT:
 Chain INPUT (policy DROP)
 target prot opt source   destination
 ACCEPT all  --  anywhere anywhere
 ppp0_inall  --  anywhere anywhere
 common all  --  anywhere anywhere
 LOGall  --  anywhere anywhere   LOG level info
 prefix `Shorewall:INPUT:REJECT:'
 reject all  --  anywhere anywhere

 Ora, tenuto conto che la prima regola ad essere letta, se confermata,
 neutralizza le successive, mi pare che shorewall permetta qualunque cosa in
 entrata; la vedete anche voi così??
 Se quello che penso è vero, dispiacerebbe a chi utilizza il suddetto,
 controllare se anche il suo #iptables -L corrisponde al mio?
 Vale.
Ma usi ancora shorewall? ;-)
Per chi è alle prime armi (come me) non è forse meglio Guardog ?
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[newbie-it] Dual Boot con Win2000

2003-01-27 Thread Andrea Cecagallina
Ciao!

Vorrei provare ad installare Mandrake 9.0 in dual boot sul Pc dell'ufficio.
Dato che ho paura che succedano casini (a casa mi è toccato reinstallare 
Linux perchè Lilo aveva fatto dei danni... Se volete poi vi spiego che mi 
era successo...), vorrei crearmi un disco di ripristino di 2000.

Purtroppo non so come fare: non c'è la stessa possibilità che viene 
offerta, ad esempio, su 98
Ovviamente abbiamo anche i Cd originali e tutto: per caso devo usare il Cd?

Qualcuno mi può consigliare?

Grazie mille
Andrea





[newbie-it] Ancora problemi col lettore Cd

2003-01-27 Thread Andrea Cecagallina
Salve a tutti!

Ho seguito i consigli dati nel msg Removable media, ma senza alcun successo.
Quindi sono nuovamente a seccarvi per il mio problema.

Il lettore Cd (Asus 50x) viene correttamente identificato da Mandrake 9.0 e 
montato come /mnt/cdrom.
Come /mnt/cdrom2 viene montato il masterizzatore (Traxdata 2x2x6x).

Purtroppo non riesco a far leggere a Mandrake i Cd dati inseriti nell'Asus: 
mi dice che non c'è dentro nulla.

Ho seguito, come detto, i consigli del messaggio, ma con il solo scopo di 
far sparire dal desktop l'icona del Cdrom: posso montarlo a mano, ma anche 
in questo caso non cambia il problema. Il disco non viene letto.
Ammetto di aver usato Gnome invece di Kde: che possa essere questo il 
problema? Non credo :(

Non so che fare...

Inoltre non riesco nemmeno a cambiare le fonti per gli aggiornamenti dei 
pacchetti
Ho provato a disabilitare quelle che puntavano all'Asus per impostarle sul 
masterizzatore (lì i dischi vengono letti), ma non ci sono riuscito: mi 
chiede sempre di inserire il disco nel lettore

Che fare?
Cambiare distribuzione? Me ne potete consigliare un'altra?

Grazie per la pazienza
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Re: [newbie-it] Open office e Sun [OT]

2003-01-27 Thread Enrico Teotti
Ciao,
sono d'accordo che sia free software che open source non significhi gratis. 
Il concetto alla base -sempre se non ho capito male, dato che mi sono appena affaciato 
a questo mondo- è che in entrambe le filosofie vengano forniti i codici sorgenti, 
e che questi contengano solo riferimenti a software libero.   Open Office credo lo 
faccia, e Star Office invece?
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[newbie] Mandrake Powerpack

2003-01-27 Thread Vaessen, E.M.J. (Ed)
Does anyone know if the Mandrake Powerpack comes with one or with two
manuals?
I ask this question because in some parts of the user manual things are
mentioned that you can find in the so-called reference manual.

Ed

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[newbie] Star Office Patch

2003-01-27 Thread Anne Wilson
Following the problems I've had recently, I found that there is a patch 
available, so I downloaded it.  On installation I got error messages like

An error occurred while unpacking the file basicsrvweb.zip.
There is probably not enough disk space.

This is unlikely.

Has anyone else installed this patch?  Does anyone know what may have caused 
the problem.  I have probably messed up the original one now, so I'll have to 
uninstall and start again, but I would like to know whether it is worth 
trying the patch again.

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Re: [newbie] Star Office Patch

2003-01-27 Thread Anne Wilson
On Monday 27 Jan 2003 9:51 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
 On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 19:33, Anne Wilson wrote:
  Following the problems I've had recently, I found that there is a patch
  available, so I downloaded it.  On installation I got error messages like
 
  An error occurred while unpacking the file basicsrvweb.zip.
  There is probably not enough disk space.
 
  This is unlikely.
 
  Has anyone else installed this patch?  Does anyone know what may have
  caused the problem.  I have probably messed up the original one now, so
  I'll have to uninstall and start again, but I would like to know whether
  it is worth trying the patch again.
 
  Anne

 If it's in a ZIP file, I'd be suss about it being for maybe Windows
 instead of for linux...

That's a point.  There was one for Windows, but I definitely selected the 
Linux one.  I think I'll just check out whether the win offered file is the 
same filename.  Surely not ??? Sun are only human, but I think this has been 
out for a good while, so I wouldn't have thought so.  Anyway, I'll check 
again, and maybe download again, just to be sure.

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Re: [newbie] newbie qustion on ISO images

2003-01-27 Thread Anne Wilson
On Monday 27 Jan 2003 9:01 pm, AndrewD wrote:
 OK I have burnt the CD placed it in the CD Rom of the other computer,
 but it is still loading Linux (the PC currently has mandrake 9) and not
 the CD (and yes the PC does boot the cd first) so my next question is
 how do I now use the CD with the new ISO do I need to make it 'bootable'
 somehow.

The problem comes if you don't have the right setting on your burning program, 
so that the iso file is simply copied to disk.  I find k3b to be good in this 
situation, as the setting to use is obvious.  Burning the iso properly 
entails unpacking and burning the result, as I understand it.  Anyway, the 
results are very different from a copied file, and it will be bootable.

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Re: [newbie] cups problems

2003-01-27 Thread Anne Wilson
On Monday 27 Jan 2003 9:44 am, Colin Jenkins wrote:
 On Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:02:49 +

 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I know the feeling :)  Have you tried deleting the unwanted printers in
  MCC?

 Tried deleting from cups, webmin and KDE printing manager, same result.
 I guess it's the mandrake version of microsofts way of doing thing it's
 determined that at some time in the future, I WILL need these extra
 printers g

It's still worth deleting them in Mandrake Control Centre.  I think it will 
work - it did for me.

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Re: [newbie] VMWare

2003-01-27 Thread Charlie
On Monday 27 January 2003 03:07 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
 On Tue, 2003-01-07 at 13:29, Chris Edwards wrote:
  More info follows:
 
  Trying to install VMware-workstation-3.2.0-2230-i386.rpm on a Mandrake
  9.0 system.
  I am newbie enough not to understand how to load kernel sources/headers.
  I do know enough to get around on the command line and even attempt the
  make, install, config routine.
  I also know about texstar and rpmfind as usefull resources.
 
  What would be my first steps at installing VMware?

 You should be able to get the kernel sources installed via the Software
 Manager - and you may as well also install some of the developer stuff
 too - because you're going to end up needing some of the other gcc
 headers and source - believe me. Anyways, if you can't find the kernel
 stuff in the Software Manager, it's mostly on CD3 - and it's labled as
 kernel sources...

 I think that someone mentioned a nice way of installing the rpm's so
 that they automagically install the dependencies as well - any help
 y'all?

(leave out the quotes)

urpmi filename.rpm in terminal super user mode in the directory that 
contains the actual RPM; or from a source that the software manager 
recognizes as a source. eg.: any of the ftp mirrors for Mandrake, texstar, 
cooker (don't do it!), kde, or almost any site that you can point urpmi to 
for an hdlist.cz. OK? The easiest is just change directories to the one 
holding the rpm and go. I just add a /downloads directory in /home and 
install from there. At least I usually do when I'm playing with something 
other than cooker or a beta. :-) 

 Meanwhile, once you get that bit out of the way, the installation of
 VMware is rather easy. You run vmware-config.pl and follow the
 instructions (do this in a terminal window). Once that's done and it's
 installed properly, break out with a Win98 bootable installation CD and
 start VMWare (however you want to start it - just typing vmware in a
 term gets it going) - follow the wizard through how to create a virtual
 IDE drive and all that cool jazz, then once you've setup the virtual
 environment, click the power on button, make whatever changes are
 necessary to the virtual bios, and begin the installation of your
 Win98 - this is a good starting point because after you mess with it
 enough you'll be confident in installing other biggies like WinXP and
 Win2k, or even like I do with loading other linuxes in VM's - even OS/2!
 (Never really got my BeOS going - but it's not like I'll cry over that
 one)

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[newbie] 'nother OT

2003-01-27 Thread Lee
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/134614233_paul13.html

I liked the riot better, though.
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Re: [newbie] M9.1beta2 CD1andCD2

2003-01-27 Thread Robert Golovniov
Hello John,

Thursday, January 23, 2003, 2:00:47 AM, you wrote:

JRS I am willing to send free of charge to anyone easy postal distance
JRS to me in uk up to 5 persons.

Can uk mean Ukraine also? :-)

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Re: [newbie] 'nother OT

2003-01-27 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 22:07, Lee wrote:
 http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/134614233_paul13.html
 
 I liked the riot better, though.

Oooohe mentioned RedHathehehehehe
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[newbie] TV-card

2003-01-27 Thread Robert Golovniov
Hello Mandrake,

  Can anybody on the list help me to choose between these cards:

  Kwordl TV-tuner / FM-tuner+Remote Control
  Kwordl TV-tuner MPEG / FM-tuner+RC
  Media Forte TV-tuner / FM-tuner+RC

  ÒV-tuner AVerMedia (model 203) (TV+RC+MPEG2)
  ÒV-tuner AVerMedia GoFM (TV+FM+RC)
  ÒV-tuner K-World BG/DK+RC (878-BK)
  ÒÂ-tuner +FM+MPEG12  K-World +RC (878-FBKM)
  ÒV-tuner +FM Animation +RC Fly video2000
  ÒV-tuner +FM Animation +RC Fly video3000 (stereo)
  ÒV-tuner Acorp 9Y878F( TV-tuner + FM-radio + RC )

  Unfortunately, for the first three cards I do not have any
  additional information yet. But perhaps the brand might help you to
  recommend me something.

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Re: [newbie] M9.1beta2 CD1andCD2

2003-01-27 Thread John Richard Smith
Robert Golovniov wrote:

Hello John,

Thursday, January 23, 2003, 2:00:47 AM, you wrote:

JRS I am willing to send free of charge to anyone easy postal distance
JRS to me in uk up to 5 persons.

Can uk mean Ukraine also? :-)



U krane if you like .

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Re: [newbie] OT Hardware weirdness 2

2003-01-27 Thread et
On Sunday 26 January 2003 06:12 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
 On Sunday 26 January 2003 06:06 pm, Chuck Burns wrote:
  Well.. for starters, P4's have MUCH better thermal resistance, not to
  mention a thermal diode that can regulate the core CPU temperature if the
  fan happens to fail, or if the heatsink happens to fall off.. Many 3rd
  party tests have shown that a P4 cpu can run even without a heatsink,
  with no damage to the CPU at all.  It slows down if it detects
  temperature overload, and prevents the core temp. from reaching critical
  levels.. (Not to mention the 400-533mhz cache speeds, compared to
  athlon's measly 200mhz.. :p)

 Thats interesting. I always thought that AMDs' chips were better performers
 at the same speed rangefrom what I've read. (but I'm no expert).
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Re: [newbie] Computer freezes

2003-01-27 Thread Charles A Edwards
On 27 Jan 2003 18:21:50 +1100
Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 7.) Move the 700 lb. cermaic magnet away from the computer casing.

If this is not the problem, then I am betting that you have an AMD
system.
What you are experiencing is a X lock-up.
Add mem=nopentium to your lilo append, run lilo and then reboot your
system.
This address a 'non-bug' on AMD system and AGP related to 4MB memory
paging.


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[newbie] Re:Back to Basics

2003-01-27 Thread Graham Pohle
I will persist in acquiring the knowledge needed to operate this OS, but
because there is a massive amount of reading to do before I can even
begin to think I can operate this OS, let alone understand it, I'll be
only dropping in like this from time to time to let you know that I'm
still persisting with the learning curve. The workings of a computer are
not as complex as I thought they were, it's just when you start adding
software and various programs that it becomes complicated. So like I
said, I'll be keeping in touch and if I do strike a problem that I
cannot work out, I'll definitely come to this message board to ask the
HOW TO on the What to do.
I'm into virtual memory at the moment and it's impact on the various PC
systems, ie; 386,486,and even the old 286. I even did a study peice on
the old mainframe PCs where 36bits were in style.
Anyway, I'm going to be a hell of programer when I finally get to know
what I'm doing.
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RE: [newbie] Installing InoculateIT

2003-01-27 Thread Jody Cleveland
Hello Stephen,

 Besides, you can use RAV if you're running an email server, and f-prot
 if you're running a Samba server - all to catch M$/Mac aimed 
 bugs...but definately a good thing!

Actually, here's my setup. Right now we've got an exchange server for mail.
I've gotten Squirrelmail running on a linux server pointing to that exchange
server. What we'd like to do now is to setup the linux box as a frontend to
the exchange server. Use linux to fight spam and antivirus. Is RAV good for
that?

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Re: [newbie] Re:Back to Basics

2003-01-27 Thread et
just so you know, virtual memory means different things to differnet people 
and different OSs, so if you are reading about cpu registers and mem pages, 
that is one thing, but the way M$ products handle memory is so different from 
other OSs and in some books the wording looks as if the M$ way of looking at 
memory is _the_ way.

On Monday 27 January 2003 07:30 pm, Graham Pohle wrote:
 I will persist in acquiring the knowledge needed to operate this OS, but
 because there is a massive amount of reading to do before I can even
 begin to think I can operate this OS, let alone understand it, I'll be
 only dropping in like this from time to time to let you know that I'm
 still persisting with the learning curve. The workings of a computer are
 not as complex as I thought they were, it's just when you start adding
 software and various programs that it becomes complicated. So like I
 said, I'll be keeping in touch and if I do strike a problem that I
 cannot work out, I'll definitely come to this message board to ask the
 HOW TO on the What to do.
 I'm into virtual memory at the moment and it's impact on the various PC
 systems, ie; 386,486,and even the old 286. I even did a study peice on
 the old mainframe PCs where 36bits were in style.
 Anyway, I'm going to be a hell of programer when I finally get to know
 what I'm doing.
 See you soon.
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Re: [newbie] Re:Back to Basics

2003-01-27 Thread robin
et wrote:


just so you know, virtual memory means different things to differnet people 
and different OSs, so if you are reading about cpu registers and mem pages, 
that is one thing, but the way M$ products handle memory is so different from 
other OSs and in some books the wording looks as if the M$ way of looking at 
memory is _the_ way.
 

On the subject of memory, would converting a Celeron box to Linux bypass 
the problem that Celeron chips in Windows canonly utilise a certain 
amount of memory?  We have a Celeron with 32MB of RAM, and have been 
told there is no point in adding RAM because the chip wouldn't be able 
to access it.

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Re: [newbie] OT Hardware weirdness 2

2003-01-27 Thread et
On Monday 27 January 2003 04:04 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
 On Sunday 26 Jan 2003 11:12 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
  On Sunday 26 January 2003 06:06 pm, Chuck Burns wrote:
   Well.. for starters, P4's have MUCH better thermal resistance, not to
   mention a thermal diode that can regulate the core CPU temperature if
   the fan happens to fail, or if the heatsink happens to fall off.. Many
   3rd party tests have shown that a P4 cpu can run even without a
   heatsink, with no damage to the CPU at all.  It slows down if it
   detects temperature overload, and prevents the core temp. from reaching
   critical levels.. (Not to mention the 400-533mhz cache speeds, compared
   to athlon's measly 200mhz.. :p)
 
  Thats interesting. I always thought that AMDs' chips were better
  performers at the same speed rangefrom what I've read. (but I'm no
  expert).

 Dertainly that's implied in most of the reviews I've read, which is why
 they started the comparative numbering system.

 Anne
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Re: [newbie] Re:Back to Basics

2003-01-27 Thread et
I sure never heard of such a problem with celerys... my understanding was the 
MoBo chipset and bios was where the max mem was reached... what kinda box is 
that? tell me more.. I don't buy such small mem with a celery
the only thing like that I know about is that celerys can't be smp, but I 
never had a problem.. I have a few celerys (a 366, a 500, and a 1200Mhz, none 
overclocked, all have some form of linux (2 mdk9.0, 1 rh 8.0, all just to 
play around) as well as dual booting into M$ as required/requested (1 ME, 2 
win2k) all with 512 meg mem. Winme and 9x won't boot with more than 512 megs 
mem. 

On Monday 27 January 2003 10:27 am, robin wrote:
 et wrote:
 just so you know, virtual memory means different things to differnet
  people and different OSs, so if you are reading about cpu registers and
  mem pages, that is one thing, but the way M$ products handle memory is so
  different from other OSs and in some books the wording looks as if the M$
  way of looking at memory is _the_ way.

 On the subject of memory, would converting a Celeron box to Linux bypass
 the problem that Celeron chips in Windows canonly utilise a certain
 amount of memory?  We have a Celeron with 32MB of RAM, and have been
 told there is no point in adding RAM because the chip wouldn't be able
 to access it.

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Re: [newbie] OT Hardware weirdness 2

2003-01-27 Thread Anne Wilson
On Monday 27 Jan 2003 3:31 pm, et wrote:
 On Monday 27 January 2003 04:04 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
  On Sunday 26 Jan 2003 11:12 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
   On Sunday 26 January 2003 06:06 pm, Chuck Burns wrote:
Well.. for starters, P4's have MUCH better thermal resistance, not to
mention a thermal diode that can regulate the core CPU temperature if
the fan happens to fail, or if the heatsink happens to fall off..
Many 3rd party tests have shown that a P4 cpu can run even without a
heatsink, with no damage to the CPU at all.  It slows down if it
detects temperature overload, and prevents the core temp. from
reaching critical levels.. (Not to mention the 400-533mhz cache
speeds, compared to athlon's measly 200mhz.. :p)
  
   Thats interesting. I always thought that AMDs' chips were better
   performers at the same speed rangefrom what I've read. (but I'm no
   expert).
 
  Dertainly that's implied in most of the reviews I've read, which is why
  they started the comparative numbering system.
 
  Anne

 the comparative numbering system is something they have been doing for
 years, and it seems to me to be a comparative pricing system more than
 speed.

Wasn't it Cyrix/IBM that used to do it?

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Re: [newbie] Star Office Patch - Incredible

2003-01-27 Thread Anne Wilson
On Monday 27 Jan 2003 8:33 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
 Following the problems I've had recently, I found that there is a patch
 available, so I downloaded it.  On installation I got error messages like

 An error occurred while unpacking the file basicsrvweb.zip.
 There is probably not enough disk space.

 This is unlikely.

 Has anyone else installed this patch?  Does anyone know what may have
 caused the problem.  I have probably messed up the original one now, so
 I'll have to uninstall and start again, but I would like to know whether it
 is worth trying the patch again.

 Anne

My attempt at installing the patch were late last night,  so I packed it in 
for the night, expecting to have to uninstall the whole shebang and start 
afresh.  This afternoon, however, out of curiosity I fired up StarWriter, 
expecting it to crash, but it didn't.  What's more, the files that had been 
showing up the problem would load correctly, I could copy and paste all I 
liked, and the whole thing looks stable!  I haven't tried the other 
components yet, as I don't use them as much.  

I'm going to go back to the website and see if another download will give me a 
cleaner install, but this result is amazing.  I can only suppose that the 
relevant bug fix was among the bits in managed to install.

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Re: [newbie] Re:Back to Basics

2003-01-27 Thread civileme
On Monday 27 January 2003 06:27 am, robin wrote:
 et wrote:
 just so you know, virtual memory means different things to differnet
  people and different OSs, so if you are reading about cpu registers and
  mem pages, that is one thing, but the way M$ products handle memory is so
  different from other OSs and in some books the wording looks as if the M$
  way of looking at memory is _the_ way.

 On the subject of memory, would converting a Celeron box to Linux bypass
 the problem that Celeron chips in Windows canonly utilise a certain
 amount of memory?  We have a Celeron with 32MB of RAM, and have been
 told there is no point in adding RAM because the chip wouldn't be able
 to access it.

 Sir Robin

ROFLMAO

Ummm, as far as I know, some MOTHERBOARDS have limits on memory, but it is not 
bound to the processor used.  The Motherboards that support Celeron all 
support at least 128M, unless you are using a celeron-driven control device 
(why would that not surprise me?) like unto the SIMM and DIMM devices of 
Arcturus.

Anyway, linux handles memory so differently from Windows that indeed the 512Mb 
limit of 95 and 98 is easily breached, and linux tends to run faster the more 
memory you add up to 1 Gb, at least.  After that, the memory model supported 
gets a little more taxing in overhead, but once past that, the speed again 
tends to increase with additional memory.

But I would like to meet the person who told you it was pointless to go beyond 
32Mb with a Celeron.  I know someone who has this bridge for sale, you see, 
and he could make a BUNDLE with toll booths on it

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[newbie] Canon printer not printing from win2k

2003-01-27 Thread et
I don't doubt that this is a win2k problem, and not a MDK problem, but heck 
this is still the best place I know and for this problem STFW-google just has 
so much info to sift through maybe someone has seen something about this 
and can shove me in the right direction

I just was attempting to set up a canon BJC240 (connected to lpt1 via cups on 
MDK 9.0) to print from either a winME or win2k box. it prints (but not 
correctly of course) using a different printer driver, so I am pretty damn 
sure the networkk works, and the printer is seen... etc..  
any ideas?


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[newbie] mandrake administration

2003-01-27 Thread Search Info
Hello,

I want to get familiar with mandrake administration tasks such as of a DNS, firewall, 
mailing system, etc.
Can i simulate this on my single machine wich is in a lan, and without direct 
connection to the internet?

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Re: [newbie] cups problems

2003-01-27 Thread Damian Gatabria
On Sunday 26 January 2003 08:36, Colin Jenkins wrote:
 I have 2 linux boxes (mdk9) both using 2 printers on an NT box.
 on one box, trying to delete a print job with cups, no problems, on the
 other box, I get 'client-error-forbidden'. (even when logged on as root) I
 am also unable to delete some non-existant printers from both machines,
 they appear to delete, but when I reload, they are back again. anyone got
 any ideas (relevant of course) :)

try copying the file /etc/cups/cupsd.conf from the machine that behaves
correctly to the other one. might help.


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[newbie] Linking partitions

2003-01-27 Thread Anne Wilson
Partly because I have win4lin, which puts windows in my home directory, and 
partly because I am encouraging the grandchildren to backup to my machine, 
including Drive Images, the home partition is filling up faster than I 
anticipated.  It's not drastic yet, still about 1Gb free, but alarm bells are 
ringing.  

I have an unused ext3 partition.  I am sure that I once read that it is 
possible to link two partitions so that they are treated as one.  Can someone 
tell me how to go about it?  Thanks

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Re: [newbie] Canon printer not printing from win2k

2003-01-27 Thread Anne Wilson
On Monday 27 Jan 2003 5:01 pm, et wrote:
 I don't doubt that this is a win2k problem, and not a MDK problem, but heck
 this is still the best place I know and for this problem STFW-google just
 has so much info to sift through maybe someone has seen something about
 this and can shove me in the right direction

 I just was attempting to set up a canon BJC240 (connected to lpt1 via cups
 on MDK 9.0) to print from either a winME or win2k box. it prints (but not
 correctly of course) using a different printer driver, so I am pretty damn
 sure the networkk works, and the printer is seen... etc..
 any ideas?

Have you tried it with Windows drivers on the ME or W2K box?  I tried the 
samba way and couldn't get things working, but Stephen advised me to do it 
this way and it works.

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Re: [newbie] cups problems

2003-01-27 Thread et
On Monday 27 January 2003 09:04 am, Damian Gatabria wrote:
 On Sunday 26 January 2003 08:36, Colin Jenkins wrote:
  I have 2 linux boxes (mdk9) both using 2 printers on an NT box.
  on one box, trying to delete a print job with cups, no problems, on the
  other box, I get 'client-error-forbidden'. (even when logged on as root)
  I am also unable to delete some non-existant printers from both machines,
  they appear to delete, but when I reload, they are back again. anyone got
  any ideas (relevant of course) :)

 try copying the file /etc/cups/cupsd.conf from the machine that behaves
 correctly to the other one. might help.


 Damian
only the printer server, where the printer is connected to the lpt, is running 
linux when I have the problem, and it prints fine linux to linux, only 
problem is win2k or winme to linux


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Re: [newbie] mandrake administration

2003-01-27 Thread Paul
In reply to Search's mail, d.d. Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:02:22 -0500:

I want to get familiar with mandrake administration tasks such as of a DNS,
firewall, mailing system, etc. Can i simulate this on my single machine
wich is in a lan, and without direct connection to the internet?

Mail services should not be a problem, I think. I am not sure if DNS would
be appreciated by your lan admin. Firewall should not be a problem either.
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Re: [newbie] Canon printer not printing from win2k

2003-01-27 Thread et
On Monday 27 January 2003 12:06 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
 On Monday 27 Jan 2003 5:01 pm, et wrote:
  I don't doubt that this is a win2k problem, and not a MDK problem, but
  heck this is still the best place I know and for this problem STFW-google
  just has so much info to sift through maybe someone has seen
  something about this and can shove me in the right direction
 
  I just was attempting to set up a canon BJC240 (connected to lpt1 via
  cups on MDK 9.0) to print from either a winME or win2k box. it prints
  (but not correctly of course) using a different printer driver, so I am
  pretty damn sure the networkk works, and the printer is seen... etc..
  any ideas?

 Have you tried it with Windows drivers on the ME or W2K box?  I tried the
 samba way and couldn't get things working, but Stephen advised me to do it
 this way and it works.

 Anne
hmmm,,, not sure,, I am setting it up in win2k, and it finds a printer on the 
samba server, and wants to add printer drivers, adn does, and I am pretty 
sure it is finding and using the same printer drivers that work when the 
print connected box is booted to win ME. 



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Re: [newbie] xawtv config and recording

2003-01-27 Thread Jerry Barton
I posted on this not too long ago... it's in the archives in December 

basically what you need to do is:  use xawtv to tune to the channel you want to 
record, close xawtv, then use the streamer command (see man streamer) to record.  (I 
have my tv cable hooked to my computer and a television sitting next to the desk so i 
can monitor recording there.)


I'll see if i can dig up the command I used and post it for you.

I could not find a way to use the xawtv gui to record with.




SNIP

 When I open the recording window and try to click record I get
 
   grabbing: not supported
 
 Any pointers on what I should look at next getting the v4l part to compile 
 without error?
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Re: [newbie] cups problems

2003-01-27 Thread et
damn that was stupid of me I hijacked someone elses thread... so sorry please 
disreguard my reply

On Monday 27 January 2003 12:10 pm, et wrote:
 On Monday 27 January 2003 09:04 am, Damian Gatabria wrote:
  On Sunday 26 January 2003 08:36, Colin Jenkins wrote:
   I have 2 linux boxes (mdk9) both using 2 printers on an NT box.
   on one box, trying to delete a print job with cups, no problems, on the
   other box, I get 'client-error-forbidden'. (even when logged on as
   root) I am also unable to delete some non-existant printers from both
   machines, they appear to delete, but when I reload, they are back
   again. anyone got any ideas (relevant of course) :)
 
  try copying the file /etc/cups/cupsd.conf from the machine that behaves
  correctly to the other one. might help.
 
 
  Damian

 only the printer server, where the printer is connected to the lpt, is
 running linux when I have the problem, and it prints fine linux to linux,
 only problem is win2k or winme to linux



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Re: [newbie] xawtv config and recording

2003-01-27 Thread et
on xawtv, right click for the menu, at the bottom there is a setting for 
capture, the choices on mine are overlay grabdisplay or off. and I am 
pretty sure it has to do with your video cards capabilities as well as the 
software installed.



On Sunday 26 January 2003 12:15 pm, Jerry Barton wrote:
 I posted on this not too long ago... it's in the archives in December

 basically what you need to do is:  use xawtv to tune to the channel you
 want to record, close xawtv, then use the streamer command (see man
 streamer) to record.  (I have my tv cable hooked to my computer and a
 television sitting next to the desk so i can monitor recording there.)


 I'll see if i can dig up the command I used and post it for you.

 I could not find a way to use the xawtv gui to record with.




 SNIP

  When I open the recording window and try to click record I get
 
grabbing: not supported
 
  Any pointers on what I should look at next getting the v4l part to
  compile without error?
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 SNIP

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[newbie] MandrakeOnline?

2003-01-27 Thread Terry Sheltra
Pardon the newbieness g,

Is there a way to schedule a computer that's registered with 
MandrakeOnline to do updates earlier in the day than around midnight? 
Still a newbie when it comes to this command line stuff .. lol :-)

Thanks!

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Re: [newbie] xawtv config and recording

2003-01-27 Thread Jerry Barton
OK here's the sample command i use for my system  (your dev entry may be different, 
video/audio formats can be changed, etc)


 streamer -o capture.avi -f mjpeg -O capture.wav -F mono8 -C /dev/sound/dsp -t 5:00 -c 
/dev/v4l/video0 -r 29.97

this will capture 5 minutes from the last channel xawtv was tuned to

HTH
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Re: [newbie] Re:Back to Basics

2003-01-27 Thread Under Alanis Swept

- Original Message -
From: et [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Re:Back to Basics


I sure never heard of such a problem with celerys... my understanding was
the
MoBo chipset and bios was where the max mem was reached... what kinda box is
that? tell me more..

yup, it depends on mobo chipset and its bios, please verify at the mobo's
manual book about max amount of memory it can hold



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Re: [newbie] mandrake administration

2003-01-27 Thread civileme
On Monday 27 January 2003 08:02 am, Search Info wrote:
 Hello,

 I want to get familiar with mandrake administration tasks such as of a DNS,
 firewall, mailing system, etc. Can i simulate this on my single machine
 wich is in a lan, and without direct connection to the internet?

 Thanks


If the LAN is using TCP/IP you certainly can do so.

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[newbie] ? Mandrake 9 and faces-1.61-16mdk.i586 Error

2003-01-27 Thread Abid Latif Sheikh
Hi:

I am unable to surpass the error of not having the subject package being
installed successfully and so does my Mandrake installation fails as well. I
tried different options but of no use. Any help, how can I skip its
installation ?

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Re: [newbie] xawtv config and recording

2003-01-27 Thread Jerry Barton
On Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:19:42 -0500
et [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on xawtv, right click for the menu, at the bottom there is a setting for 
 capture, the choices on mine are overlay grabdisplay or off. and I am 
 pretty sure it has to do with your video cards capabilities as well as the 
 software installed.
 
 
 
SNIP

et, you know, i hadn't tried changing that before.  H let's go see :)  (the only 
one that will display is overlay) I tried changing to grabdisplay and off both 
on mine but still got grabbing: not supported  Even when using the streamer command 
i put in previously in the thread, if xawtv (or zapping, or motv, etc...) was running 
it would give me a device busy error.  I'm sure it has to do with the hardware 
capabilities / compatibility.  Thought it odd though that back when i still had 
windows on here i could watch and record at the same time but under linux i have to 
stop watching to record.  v4l seems to be a tricky thing LOL.  (I can't even get 
kwinTV to see my card, for example) So I'll offer up what worked for me.

thanks for the suggestion!

;-)

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Re: [newbie] ? Mandrake 9 and faces-1.61-16mdk.i586 Error

2003-01-27 Thread Derek Jennings
On Monday 27 Jan 2003 5:48 pm, Abid Latif Sheikh wrote:
 Hi:

 I am unable to surpass the error of not having the subject package being
 installed successfully and so does my Mandrake installation fails as well.
 I tried different options but of no use. Any help, how can I skip its
 installation ?

 Abid

Abid. Do you mean that you are trying to install Mandrake 9.0 on your computer 
and it is failing when installing the faces package?


If so, it is likely that you either have a bad CD, or else your CD-ROM is 
unable to read 700 MB CDs.

Mandrake 9.0 requires 700MB CDs, but some older CD-ROMS can only read 650MB.

If I have misunderstood your question please explain again.

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Re: [newbie] xawtv config and recording

2003-01-27 Thread et
On Sunday 26 January 2003 12:55 pm, Jerry Barton wrote:
 On Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:19:42 -0500

 et [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  on xawtv, right click for the menu, at the bottom there is a setting for
  capture, the choices on mine are overlay grabdisplay or off. and I
  am pretty sure it has to do with your video cards capabilities as well as
  the software installed.

 SNIP

 et, you know, i hadn't tried changing that before.  H let's go see :) 
 (the only one that will display is overlay) I tried changing to
 grabdisplay and off both on mine but still got grabbing: not
 supported  Even when using the streamer command i put in previously in the
 thread, if xawtv (or zapping, or motv, etc...) was running it would give me
 a device busy error.  I'm sure it has to do with the hardware
 capabilities / compatibility.  Thought it odd though that back when i still
 had windows on here i could watch and record at the same time but under
 linux i have to stop watching to record.  v4l seems to be a tricky thing
 LOL.  (I can't even get kwinTV to see my card, for example) So I'll offer
 up what worked for me.

 thanks for the suggestion!

 ;-)

 Jerry.
what video card are you useing? and if NVidia, are you useing the nv 
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Re: [newbie] xawtv config and recording

2003-01-27 Thread Jerry Barton
SNIP
 what video card are you useing? and if NVidia, are you useing the nv 
 (opensource) or the NVidiadrivers,and which ones?
 
 
it's an ATI TV Wonder VE

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[newbie] Lost screensavers (3D-accel.)

2003-01-27 Thread Ronald J. Hall
Okay, I was getting some problems with games segfaulting on me, so I decided 
to use the latest Nvidia drivers instead of the default ones installed with 
v9.0. 

I did the usual tarball route, then make, then looking at XF86Config-4, which 
looked like was already set from the stock install.

So...I get the splash screen, the games work (but I've not played them long 
enough to see if they segfault yet), but nowall of my screensavers that 
use 3D acceleration don't work. I can go into the Control Center, then Look 
'n Feel, then screensaversand the hard drive thrashes furiously, mouse 
goes jerky, and the screensaver never shows up in the preview box. Also, if I 
let one of the screensavers set until it kicks in on my desktop, X crashes 
back out the console.

I'm sure some link/connection got destroyed when I upgraded the drivers 
(although I've never had this happen before), so has anyone had this happen 
and know how to fix it?

PS I did remove the kdeartwork package for the screensavers and reinstall it. 
It made no difference.

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Re: [newbie] ? Mandrake 9 and faces-1.61-16mdk.i586 Error

2003-01-27 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Monday 27 January 2003 12:48 pm, Abid Latif Sheikh wrote:
 Hi:

 I am unable to surpass the error of not having the subject package being
 installed successfully and so does my Mandrake installation fails as well.
 I tried different options but of no use. Any help, how can I skip its
 installation ?

 Abid

You can pick individual package selection and deselect the checkmark next to 
that package. That should do it.

I'd be worried that more than 1 package is bad, and questioning the validity 
of the CD-ROM you are using. Got a backup?

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Re: [newbie] xawtv config and recording

2003-01-27 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Sunday 26 January 2003 12:24 pm, Jerry Barton wrote:
 OK here's the sample command i use for my system  (your dev entry may be
 different, video/audio formats can be changed, etc)


  streamer -o capture.avi -f mjpeg -O capture.wav -F mono8 -C /dev/sound/dsp
 -t 5:00 -c /dev/v4l/video0 -r 29.97

 this will capture 5 minutes from the last channel xawtv was tuned to

 HTH
 Jerry.

Hmm, just out of total (admittedly ignorant) curiosity - where does streamer 
come from? (package?)

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Re: [newbie] Re:Back to Basics

2003-01-27 Thread Charlie
On Monday 27 January 2003 08:27 am, robin wrote:
 et wrote:
 just so you know, virtual memory means different things to differnet
  people and different OSs, so if you are reading about cpu registers and
  mem pages, that is one thing, but the way M$ products handle memory is so
  different from other OSs and in some books the wording looks as if the M$
  way of looking at memory is _the_ way.

 On the subject of memory, would converting a Celeron box to Linux bypass
 the problem that Celeron chips in Windows canonly utilise a certain
 amount of memory?  We have a Celeron with 32MB of RAM, and have been
 told there is no point in adding RAM because the chip wouldn't be able
 to access it.

 Sir Robin

Say WHAT? 

My neighbor's old Celeron 366 MHZ box that his son uses had 64 MB of RAM when 
he bought it back in '98. It now runs 192 MB since I had a spare 128 MB stick 
of PC 100 lying around here. I plugged it in when I was there to set up their 
internet connection sharing. 

BTW 192 MB seems to be the sweet spot for Windows 98 SE. If there is such a 
thing. 

Both boxes dual boot Mandrake with Windows. The aforementioned 98 SE on one, 
XP Pro on the other. The question isn't how much memory will the processor 
utilize, it's how much have you got, and how much will the motherboard's 
chipset address. My old reliable BX6 Rev2 (ABit) was once able to use all 4 
memory slots (256 MB each max) but seems not to like using more than two now. 
It's old. Other things lead me to believe that a re-flash of the BIOS may 
correct this problem but I won't until I can gather the components to build a 
new box to my liking.

As long as the board manufacturer has certified that the board will use xxx 
amount of RAM the processor will use whatever that maximum is usually. The OS 
on the other hand

I'd check the MB's manufacturer for information before I believe that kind of 
statement Robin.

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Re: [newbie] Canon printer not printing from win2k

2003-01-27 Thread Anne Wilson
On Monday 27 Jan 2003 5:13 pm, et wrote:
 On Monday 27 January 2003 12:06 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
  On Monday 27 Jan 2003 5:01 pm, et wrote:
   I don't doubt that this is a win2k problem, and not a MDK problem, but
   heck this is still the best place I know and for this problem
   STFW-google just has so much info to sift through maybe someone has
   seen something about this and can shove me in the right direction
  
   I just was attempting to set up a canon BJC240 (connected to lpt1 via
   cups on MDK 9.0) to print from either a winME or win2k box. it prints
   (but not correctly of course) using a different printer driver, so I am
   pretty damn sure the networkk works, and the printer is seen... etc..
   any ideas?
 
  Have you tried it with Windows drivers on the ME or W2K box?  I tried the
  samba way and couldn't get things working, but Stephen advised me to do
  it this way and it works.
 
  Anne

 hmmm,,, not sure,, I am setting it up in win2k, and it finds a printer on
 the samba server, and wants to add printer drivers, adn does, and I am
 pretty sure it is finding and using the same printer drivers that work when
 the print connected box is booted to win ME.

Fair enough, but in my experience the windows supplied drivers are very much 
cut down compared to the manufacturer's ones.  I don't know if it would make 
any difference, but it might be worth trying.  Stephen may have more to add 
when he comes on line later.

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Re: [newbie] Linking partitions

2003-01-27 Thread civileme
On Monday 27 January 2003 08:03 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
 Partly because I have win4lin, which puts windows in my home directory, and
 partly because I am encouraging the grandchildren to backup to my machine,
 including Drive Images, the home partition is filling up faster than I
 anticipated.  It's not drastic yet, still about 1Gb free, but alarm bells
 are ringing.

 I have an unused ext3 partition.  I am sure that I once read that it is
 possible to link two partitions so that they are treated as one.  Can
 someone tell me how to go about it?  Thanks

 Anne


Make a backup of all data and the partition table first  (after backing up the 
data, go to Mandrake Control-Mountpoints-Hard disk and toggle to expert 
mode to make the backup floppy.)

Now you take the /home partition and the spare partition and change their 
types to Linux LVM

Then you add each one of them to LVM
then you name the LVM mount point /home

now you mount /home and copy back your backup data (as made with backuponCD or 
scdbackup)

And the two partitions are linked and treated logically as one partition.

If instead you want to make the spare purely for backup and you have a 
separate /home/backup/ type directory, you can set up the spare partition, 
copy the /home/backup data to it after mounting it temporarily under some 
name, then unmount it and remount it as /home/backup/  This does not provide 
the flexibility of LVM but it is a whole lot simpler.

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Re: [newbie] Re:Back to Basics

2003-01-27 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 02:27, robin wrote:
 On the subject of memory, would converting a Celeron box to Linux bypass 
 the problem that Celeron chips in Windows canonly utilise a certain 
 amount of memory?  We have a Celeron with 32MB of RAM, and have been 
 told there is no point in adding RAM because the chip wouldn't be able 
 to access it.
 
 Sir Robin

That's complete rubbish.
This production box here is a Celery 1200mhz w/ 512mb of RAM running
linux. I've installed Slackware, RedHat, Mandrake, Gentoo, Knoppix -
aside from BeOS, OS/2, Win95/98/ME/2k/XP, and SCO x86. I'm more than
certainly seeing more than 32mb of RAM...

Under Windows, it WORKED  quite well - that is, under a normal
installation of Windows - which is all gone now - but even virtually
using VMWare...nary a prob...

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Re: [newbie] Logitech MX700 Cordless Optical Mouse on Mandrake 9.0+?

2003-01-27 Thread et
On Monday 27 January 2003 04:17 pm, Charles A Edwards wrote:
 On Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:20:50 -0800 (PST)

 T E [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I am considering a new mouse.  It is the Logitech
  MX700 Cordless Optical Mouse.  I would like to know if
  it is compatible with Mandrake 9.0 or higher.  And in
  the event that I have to downgrade, how about 8.2?

 I've got 1 that I plan to install tomorrow.
 I do not anticipate any problem but I'll let you know.


 Charles

 
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Re: [newbie] Merging 2 files

2003-01-27 Thread Kaj Haulrich
On Monday 27 January 2003 09:42 pm, Joan Tur wrote:

 Hallo!

 I'd like to merge file A with file B creating file C...
 how could I do that?

 I've had a look at cp's man with no luck  O8-)

cat file2  file1

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Re: [newbie] Dell Optiplex

2003-01-27 Thread Kaj Haulrich
On Monday 27 January 2003 09:49 pm, Sabin, Matthew wrote:
 I'm running 9.0 on an Optiplex GX110 PIII 500MHz box. 
 I'm a bit light on RAM, so I'm running BlackBox -- it's
 faster than when I had NT4.0 on the box, and no reboots
 yet (4 months)

 --Matthew

Thanks, Matthew. That encourages me bigtime. The one I have 
in mind has a P4 2GHz with 512 MB RAM, so I guess that's 
all right.

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Re: [newbie] Partition hell - longish

2003-01-27 Thread Anne Wilson
On Monday 27 Jan 2003 9:39 pm, you wrote:


 Well, then there's all the more reason to either git'em all working
 under MDK or through Win4lin or some other means (VMWare?) - gotta make
 it easier on ya kiddo...

The odd items of software I need are no problem - win4lin does fine for me.  
It's just these odd items of hardware, camera, cf/sm reader and a scsi film 
scanner (though I haven't spent much time on that one yet).  I understand 
there is an alpha driver that might work for the scanner, so I might try that 
later.

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Re: [newbie] Merging 2 files

2003-01-27 Thread Miark
If you want to preserve the original files: 

  cat fileA fileB  fileC

Miark


On Mon, 27 Jan 2003 22:42:38 +0100
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 Hallo!
 
 I'd like to merge file A with file B creating file C... how could I do that?
 
 I've had a look at cp's man with no luck  O8-)
 
 Thanks!!
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Re: [newbie] Partition hell - longish

2003-01-27 Thread FemmeFatale
At 10:20 PM 1/27/2003 +, you wrote:

On Monday 27 Jan 2003 9:39 pm, you wrote:


 Well, then there's all the more reason to either git'em all working
 under MDK or through Win4lin or some other means (VMWare?) - gotta make
 it easier on ya kiddo...

The odd items of software I need are no problem - win4lin does fine for me.
It's just these odd items of hardware, camera, cf/sm reader and a scsi film
scanner (though I haven't spent much time on that one yet).  I understand
there is an alpha driver that might work for the scanner, so I might try that
later.

Anne
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Heh I'll forward this to the list for you Anne.  Seems you sent it my way 
accidentally :)

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Fwd: Re: [newbie] Partition hell - longish

2003-01-27 Thread FemmeFatale



On Monday 27 Jan 2003 9:39 pm, you wrote:


 Well, then there's all the more reason to either git'em all working
 under MDK or through Win4lin or some other means (VMWare?) - gotta make
 it easier on ya kiddo...

The odd items of software I need are no problem - win4lin does fine for me.
It's just these odd items of hardware, camera, cf/sm reader and a scsi film
scanner (though I haven't spent much time on that one yet).  I understand
there is an alpha driver that might work for the scanner, so I might try that
later.

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Re: [newbie] OT Hardware weirdness 2

2003-01-27 Thread g

Paul wrote:

 Yup, no problem. I am of course NOT going to twiddle the running drives
 around, but they function wonderfully either on the side or straight up.


changing hd position was meant to be after power off and spin down. i have seen
drives develop problems and only run at new angle. i know of one drive that is
running for 8 years now, raised 1.5 on left side.

 So
 it is the mobo, as Marc and et also already suspected.

 Too bad. This ASUS board was pricey. But then, even good things can die an
 early death.

do not give up on board. i had a problem with one box where cpu was over heating.
adding a fan and clearing drive cables from around cpu allowed air to flow and
cpu cooled down.

adding silicon heat sink compound will help make cpu run cooler, if you have not
already applied.

 Re temperature/sensors: I did indeed have Gkrellm set up wrong. The high
 value as reported by sensors is +40C (I found a multiplier x2 in Gkrellm)
 and the limit is reportedly +60C, so that should be all fine.

if you improve air flow and now that you have sensors straight, test again.

all is not lost yet.

 Thanks for all the help, once more.

most welcome.

 You are a wonderful bunch people!!

my last wife does not think i am. but that is why she is my ex. :)


peace out.

tc,hago.

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Re: [newbie] problem - file/directory permissions using samba AND nfs

2003-01-27 Thread Steve Jeppesen
On 27 Jan 2003 16:25:43 +1100
Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If you want a truly open/public share, you can do like this:
 
 [ddrive]
   comment = D Drive
   path = /mnt/d-drive
   read only = No
   public = Yes

I changed that share to this;
[shared]
writable = Yes
path = /mnt/shared/shared
read only = No
public = Yes
 
 ...that's it...but you do have to set the security level to SHARE
 instead of USER.

And the security level has always been set to SHARE.

I think the problem is since I am not using samba for my linux p.c. to
connect to the linux server, NFS is keeping my permissions on anything I
create into the shared directory - thus no one using samba can add
anything or change what I create within the same shared folder.

Is there any way to make NFS change anything I create on the linux
server to a public share so to speak?  Other than the fact that after
I create a file or folder in the shared folder - I can go back into and
chmod 0777 file/folder...but that would be a hassle to do everytime.

Thanks for the help Stephen, I should have seen that one myself but ya
know sometimes ppl need to just take a break from something that is not
going right and come back to it later with a fresh mind set.

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Re: [newbie] Re:Back to Basics

2003-01-27 Thread robin
civileme wrote:

On Monday 27 January 2003 06:27 am, robin wrote:


On the subject of memory, would converting a Celeron box to Linux bypass
the problem that Celeron chips in Windows canonly utilise a certain
amount of memory?  We have a Celeron with 32MB of RAM, and have been
told there is no point in adding RAM because the chip wouldn't be able
to access it.



ROFLMAO

Ummm, as far as I know, some MOTHERBOARDS have limits on memory, but it is not 
bound to the processor used.  The Motherboards that support Celeron all 
support at least 128M, unless you are using a celeron-driven control device 
(why would that not surprise me?) like unto the SIMM and DIMM devices of 
Arcturus.

Anyway, linux handles memory so differently from Windows that indeed the 512Mb 
limit of 95 and 98 is easily breached, and linux tends to run faster the more 
memory you add up to 1 Gb, at least.  After that, the memory model supported 
gets a little more taxing in overhead, but once past that, the speed again 
tends to increase with additional memory.

But I would like to meet the person who told you it was pointless to go beyond 
32Mb with a Celeron.  I know someone who has this bridge for sale, you see, 
and he could make a BUNDLE with toll booths on it

Thanks, Civileme - that was the answer I was hoping for and more-or-less 
expected.  I have included it in a post to our 
person-with-the-purse-strings.  Depending on whether we can get any new 
computers in our office, this will either be one for teachers to use, or 
(best-case scenario) will stay in our tutorial area for students to use, 
in which case I have permission to install Linux on it for security 
reasons.  I've learnt from Microsoft that FUD is a good tactic, and I 
told our new head of department in no uncertain terms that having 
students putting their floppy disks into one of our LAN-connected boxes 
is asking for trouble.  The difference, of course, is that my fear, 
uncertainty and doubt is backed up by solid facts - allow Joe Student to 
put an  infected disk into your Windows machine and Network Neighborhood 
will do the rest.

Sir Robin

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Re: [newbie] Dell Optiplex

2003-01-27 Thread Jose
On Monday 27 January 2003 05:38 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote:
 Anyone here managed to install Mandrake 9.0 upon a Dell
 Optiplex ? - If yes, what's your mileage / experience ?

 My reason for asking : I just contacted Dell Denmark and
 asked for an *empty* Optiplex. They were quite negative,
 asking why I don't want Windows preinstalled. I told them
 that I wanted to install Mandrake. Long pause. Then they
 cheered up quite a bit : Actually, they could deliver an
 Optiplex with Linux ( RedHat, I suppose) preinstalled !

 Now, I intend to purchase the thingy and install Mandrake,
 figuring I can put the golden star upon the red hat.


I have run Mandrake on GX1's to the newer GX260. Mandrake loaded and ran 
just fine. Even got to watch DVD's on the GX260.

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Re: [newbie] Merging 2 files

2003-01-27 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 08:42, Joan Tur wrote:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1
 
 Hallo!
 
 I'd like to merge file A with file B creating file C... how could I do that?
 
 I've had a look at cp's man with no luck  O8-)
 
 Thanks!!
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You can use either cp or sed to do that - sed might be a better bet,
though...but I'm sure there's more than 1000 ways of doing it - and
everyone else will pipe in with their version! (g)

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Re: [newbie] xawtv config and recording

2003-01-27 Thread Jerry Barton
SNIP
 Hmm, just out of total (admittedly ignorant) curiosity - where does streamer 
 come from? (package?)
 
 Thanks! :-)
 
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Re: [newbie] V4Linux Grabber

2003-01-27 Thread Jerry Barton
On 28 Jan 2003 06:09:34 +1100
Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

CHOP!
 
 Did you also install the compatibility libs?
 
 On a side note, sometimes the compiles act a bit more nicely with:
 
 ./configure --prefix=/usr
 
 (I'll assume that's where your KDEDIR base is set?)
 
CHOP

compat libs... for KDE?  I know it needs nasm and there's nasm-compat libs and no i 
don't think i installed those..   I'll try --prefix=/usr let's see..

hmmm... same problem.  I'll try installing nasm-compat libs.


installing /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/nasm-compat-0.98-9mdk.i586.rpm

Preparing...##
Installation failed:
file /usr/bin/nasm from install of nasm-compat-0.98-9mdk conflicts with file 
from package nasm-0.98.34-1mdk
file /usr/bin/ndisasm from install of nasm-compat-0.98-9mdk conflicts with 
file from package nasm-0.98.34-1mdk
file /usr/share/info/nasm.info-1.bz2 from install of nasm-compat-0.98-9mdk 
conflicts with file from package nasm-0.98.34-1mdk
file /usr/share/info/nasm.info-10.bz2 from install of nasm-compat-0.98-9mdk 
conflicts with file from package nasm-0.98.34-1mdk
file /usr/share/info/nasm.info-2.bz2 from install of nasm-compat-0.98-9mdk 
conflicts with file from package nasm-0.98.34-1mdk
file /usr/share/info/nasm.info-3.bz2 from install of nasm-compat-0.98-9mdk 
conflicts with file from package nasm-0.98.34-1mdk
file /usr/share/info/nasm.info-4.bz2 from install of nasm-compat-0.98-9mdk 
conflicts with file from package nasm-0.98.34-1mdk
file /usr/share/info/nasm.info-5.bz2 from install of nasm-compat-0.98-9mdk 
conflicts with file from package nasm-0.98.34-1mdk
file /usr/share/info/nasm.info-6.bz2 from install of nasm-compat-0.98-9mdk 
conflicts with file from package nasm-0.98.34-1mdk
file /usr/share/info/nasm.info-7.bz2 from install of nasm-compat-0.98-9mdk 
conflicts with file from package nasm-0.98.34-1mdk
file /usr/share/info/nasm.info-8.bz2 from install of nasm-compat-0.98-9mdk 
conflicts with file from package nasm-0.98.34-1mdk
file /usr/share/info/nasm.info-9.bz2 from install of nasm-compat-0.98-9mdk 
conflicts with file from package nasm-0.98.34-1mdk
file /usr/share/info/nasm.info.bz2 from install of nasm-compat-0.98-9mdk 
conflicts with file from package nasm-0.98.34-1mdk
file /usr/share/man/man1/nasm.1.bz2 from install of nasm-compat-0.98-9mdk 
conflicts with file from package nasm-0.98.34-1mdk
file /usr/share/man/man1/ndisasm.1.bz2 from install of nasm-compat-0.98-9mdk 
conflicts with file from package nasm-0.98.34-1mdk

eek!

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Re[2]: [newbie] Dell Optiplex

2003-01-27 Thread hihorsenews
I have MDK 9.0 installed on Dell Optiplex GX1, with 350MHz PII, 352meg
of ram helps.  It runs fine, although, for some reason, i have had
some problem, with losing it on network after a few hours of
inactivity.  I dont know why. That has been only problem with it.

 I got so tired of that problem, however, i reinstalled Xandros on
another partition, and am using that currently on that machine.
Xandros doenst recognize the onboard sound card, but otherwise works
well.
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Monday, January 27, 2003, 7:11:44 PM, you wrote:

J On Monday 27 January 2003 05:38 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote:
 Anyone here managed to install Mandrake 9.0 upon a Dell
 Optiplex ? - If yes, what's your mileage / experience ?

 My reason for asking : I just contacted Dell Denmark and
 asked for an *empty* Optiplex. They were quite negative,
 asking why I don't want Windows preinstalled. I told them
 that I wanted to install Mandrake. Long pause. Then they
 cheered up quite a bit : Actually, they could deliver an
 Optiplex with Linux ( RedHat, I suppose) preinstalled !

 Now, I intend to purchase the thingy and install Mandrake,
 figuring I can put the golden star upon the red hat.


J I have run Mandrake on GX1's to the newer GX260. Mandrake loaded and ran 
J just fine. Even got to watch DVD's on the GX260.




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Re: [newbie] Merging 2 files

2003-01-27 Thread yankl
On Monday 27 January 2003 04:42 pm, Joan Tur wrote:
 Hallo!

 I'd like to merge file A with file B creating file C... how could I do
 that?

 I've had a look at cp's man with no luck  O8-)

 Thanks!!
One of the way is to use cat.

#cat A B  C

Actuly it work with any number of elements

#cat in_file1, in_file2, ... , in_fileN  out_file

or even

#cat *  out_file

Yankl




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Re: [newbie] xawtv config and recording

2003-01-27 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Sunday 26 January 2003 08:13 pm, Jerry Barton wrote:

 It's part of the xawtv package. :D

 Jerry

Odd, I've got the stock XawTV here, with v9.0 and if I type in that command 
you posted I get an error telling me that streamer can't be found. Is it 
something separate from XawTV that has to be installed? Thanks.

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[newbie] IGNORE!!!

2003-01-27 Thread Damian Gatabria


testing funny sig :o)


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[newbie] ANNOUCEMENT: KDE 3.1 IS OUT

2003-01-27 Thread Stephen Kuhn
Just though y'all would like to know that.

Now we can sit back and watch the complete and utter chaos.

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Re: [newbie] Dell Optiplex

2003-01-27 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 10:01, Kaj Haulrich wrote:
 On Monday 27 January 2003 09:49 pm, Sabin, Matthew wrote:
  I'm running 9.0 on an Optiplex GX110 PIII 500MHz box. 
  I'm a bit light on RAM, so I'm running BlackBox -- it's
  faster than when I had NT4.0 on the box, and no reboots
  yet (4 months)
 
  --Matthew
 
 Thanks, Matthew. That encourages me bigtime. The one I have 
 in mind has a P4 2GHz with 512 MB RAM, so I guess that's 
 all right.
 

What kinda video card does it have - and how much RAM on it?
What size the disks? What kinda CDROM unit it got? C'mon - details!
Details!

I reckon that if it's that fast, it might just run Mandrake...

(Let the flames begin)

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Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Partition hell - longish

2003-01-27 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 10:16, FemmeFatale wrote:

 poor anne meant this for the list.
 -
 FemmeFatale
 

Shit...she's back. Gotta straighten up again.

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