Re: K7, A Lenses and PTTL (was Re: What next in an SLR?)
I do at the moment, but it means I am adjusting the manual power on 2 flashes, which is annoying. I'm just trying to make my life easier. Leon On 1 May 2011 09:03, Larry Colen wrote: > > On Apr 30, 2011, at 2:41 PM, Leon Altoff wrote: > >> If I open the aperture all the way it just gets more over exposed. I >> haven't seen the reversal effect you mentioned. When I get the time >> I'll sit down with it for a day and try every combination I can think >> of and write down the results. This will hopefully give me a system I >> can use with a minimum of messing about. > > It sound as if what you need to do is simply shoot in manual. > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K7, A Lenses and PTTL (was Re: What next in an SLR?)
On Apr 30, 2011, at 2:41 PM, Leon Altoff wrote: > If I open the aperture all the way it just gets more over exposed. I > haven't seen the reversal effect you mentioned. When I get the time > I'll sit down with it for a day and try every combination I can think > of and write down the results. This will hopefully give me a system I > can use with a minimum of messing about. It sound as if what you need to do is simply shoot in manual. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K7, A Lenses and PTTL (was Re: What next in an SLR?)
If I open the aperture all the way it just gets more over exposed. I haven't seen the reversal effect you mentioned. When I get the time I'll sit down with it for a day and try every combination I can think of and write down the results. This will hopefully give me a system I can use with a minimum of messing about. Thanks for your help (and Paul's). Leon On 30 April 2011 19:48, AlunFoto wrote: > I agree the P-TTL doesn't seem to do much. But that could still mean > you're having trouble from being outside the metering range of the > preflash. What happens if you open the aperture all the way? If that > makes the preflash register with the camera, you should get > underexposure. :-) > > lørdag 30. april 2011 skrev Leon Altoff følgende: >> Close, you may have missed my message to Paul about the change in >> behavior if I actually feed in a focal length for the set up. This >> now stops it firing at full power, but does not get the exposure >> correct. >> >> I can now dial in an exposure adjustment on the camera camera and have >> it affect the output, but then opening the aperture 2 stop results in >> a 2 stop variation in exposure (brighter) rather than the P-TTL >> adjusting for it. Closing the aperture makes it dimmer. It seems >> that the P-TTL is just not doing much of anything. >> >> Using 2 differently powered flashes can only lead to trouble (unless >> you want 2 different power outputs of course). >> >> Leon >> >> On 29 April 2011 23:55, AlunFoto wrote: >>> Leon, >>> Combining the info from this thread and another, you have a setup with >>> two AF-360FGZ flashes, a 30mm (or thereabouts) lens on bellows with up >>> to 25mm extension. The lens is stopped down to f/16, and the >>> flash-to-subject distance is about 10 cm for both flashes. I assume >>> both flashes are in the same mode, "green" P-TTL. >>> >>> My guess is that the extension and stopped-down aperture combined >>> makes the preflash too weak for the camera to gauge the right >>> exposure. It then assumes that the motif is at least 70 cm away and >>> just about pitch dark, blasting it with all flash power available. If >>> this is a correct guess, I believe you will continue to see >>> overexposures as you decrease extension, until you reach a point where >>> the preflash registers with the camera's light meter. I'm curious to >>> see what happens then. Judging from my experience with the 540 earlier >>> today, you should drop very rapidly into underexposure. Assuming >>> constant flash to subject distance for all exposures. >>> >>> It might be a good idea to try one flash at a time too, just to rule >>> out that the dual flash setup mess up anything. I'm very confused by >>> my own dual flash setup, but I suspect that's down to different power >>> rating (GN 54 vs GN 16), so it might not apply to you at all. :-) >>> >>> >>> Jostein >>> >>> 2011/4/24 Leon Altoff : I need to find out more about this, because it doesn't work for me. At least, not with the lens I use. I'll admit it's not your normal A lens, but this set up worked on the MZ-S and the *istD and I'd love to have it work on the K7 (or the next camera upgrade). I have added A contacts to a set of bellows. With the camera set to fully open aperture (f2 in this case), and the lens on the bellows closed down when the prefire happens, the camera calculates the correct exposure and the flash fires correctly - using the *istD and 2 AF360 flashes. The K10D and K7 fire the flash at full output. Both the newer cameras behave as if there is an A lens connected to the camera. The camera recognises the aperture range I set the mount to and I can select the aperture accordingly. It even meters correctly for changes in the aperture set on the camera in P mode. Everything except the flash output. If someone has a simple A lens (maximum of 6 contacts on the lens), a K7 and an AF360 flash can you conduct an experiment to see if you get correct P-TTL exposure out of the setup? That will at least let me know if it's just me or a design issue. I'll have to try high speed sync mode to see if that makes a difference since it works for Paul. Leon On 18 April 2011 23:26, Paul Stenquist wrote: > > On Apr 18, 2011, at 9:12 AM, Thibouille wrote: > >> AFAIK the A lenses do PTTL with K7. > > And with the K5 as well. I frequently use it with my A400/5.6 in > high-speed synch mode. > Paul > > >> >> 2011/4/18 Leon Altoff : >>> Hi Tim, >>> >>> I've considered this same thing, though Pentax normally do manage to >>> make a nice improvement between models. Personally I've decided to >>> upgrade every second major upgrade - bought a K10D, skipped the K20D, >>> bought the K7, skipped the K5, buy the K3?. >>> >>> I'll admit I'd like the improved low light capability of the K5 over >
Re: K7, A Lenses and PTTL (was Re: What next in an SLR?)
I agree the P-TTL doesn't seem to do much. But that could still mean you're having trouble from being outside the metering range of the preflash. What happens if you open the aperture all the way? If that makes the preflash register with the camera, you should get underexposure. :-) lørdag 30. april 2011 skrev Leon Altoff følgende: > Close, you may have missed my message to Paul about the change in > behavior if I actually feed in a focal length for the set up. This > now stops it firing at full power, but does not get the exposure > correct. > > I can now dial in an exposure adjustment on the camera camera and have > it affect the output, but then opening the aperture 2 stop results in > a 2 stop variation in exposure (brighter) rather than the P-TTL > adjusting for it. Closing the aperture makes it dimmer. It seems > that the P-TTL is just not doing much of anything. > > Using 2 differently powered flashes can only lead to trouble (unless > you want 2 different power outputs of course). > > Leon > > On 29 April 2011 23:55, AlunFoto wrote: >> Leon, >> Combining the info from this thread and another, you have a setup with >> two AF-360FGZ flashes, a 30mm (or thereabouts) lens on bellows with up >> to 25mm extension. The lens is stopped down to f/16, and the >> flash-to-subject distance is about 10 cm for both flashes. I assume >> both flashes are in the same mode, "green" P-TTL. >> >> My guess is that the extension and stopped-down aperture combined >> makes the preflash too weak for the camera to gauge the right >> exposure. It then assumes that the motif is at least 70 cm away and >> just about pitch dark, blasting it with all flash power available. If >> this is a correct guess, I believe you will continue to see >> overexposures as you decrease extension, until you reach a point where >> the preflash registers with the camera's light meter. I'm curious to >> see what happens then. Judging from my experience with the 540 earlier >> today, you should drop very rapidly into underexposure. Assuming >> constant flash to subject distance for all exposures. >> >> It might be a good idea to try one flash at a time too, just to rule >> out that the dual flash setup mess up anything. I'm very confused by >> my own dual flash setup, but I suspect that's down to different power >> rating (GN 54 vs GN 16), so it might not apply to you at all. :-) >> >> >> Jostein >> >> 2011/4/24 Leon Altoff : >>> I need to find out more about this, because it doesn't work for me. >>> At least, not with the lens I use. >>> >>> I'll admit it's not your normal A lens, but this set up worked on the >>> MZ-S and the *istD and I'd love to have it work on the K7 (or the next >>> camera upgrade). I have added A contacts to a set of bellows. With >>> the camera set to fully open aperture (f2 in this case), and the lens >>> on the bellows closed down when the prefire happens, the camera >>> calculates the correct exposure and the flash fires correctly - using >>> the *istD and 2 AF360 flashes. The K10D and K7 fire the flash at full >>> output. >>> >>> Both the newer cameras behave as if there is an A lens connected to >>> the camera. The camera recognises the aperture range I set the mount >>> to and I can select the aperture accordingly. It even meters >>> correctly for changes in the aperture set on the camera in P mode. >>> Everything except the flash output. >>> >>> If someone has a simple A lens (maximum of 6 contacts on the lens), a >>> K7 and an AF360 flash can you conduct an experiment to see if you get >>> correct P-TTL exposure out of the setup? That will at least let me >>> know if it's just me or a design issue. I'll have to try high speed >>> sync mode to see if that makes a difference since it works for Paul. >>> >>> Leon >>> >>> On 18 April 2011 23:26, Paul Stenquist wrote: On Apr 18, 2011, at 9:12 AM, Thibouille wrote: > AFAIK the A lenses do PTTL with K7. And with the K5 as well. I frequently use it with my A400/5.6 in high-speed synch mode. Paul > > 2011/4/18 Leon Altoff : >> Hi Tim, >> >> I've considered this same thing, though Pentax normally do manage to >> make a nice improvement between models. Personally I've decided to >> upgrade every second major upgrade - bought a K10D, skipped the K20D, >> bought the K7, skipped the K5, buy the K3?. >> >> I'll admit I'd like the improved low light capability of the K5 over >> the K7, but as I'm expecting the K3 (for want of a better model number >> to apply) to be improved I can wait. For a while. If it's not >> improved then I will probably go out and buy a K5 simply to keep the >> control layou-- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com
Re: K7, A Lenses and PTTL (was Re: What next in an SLR?)
Close, you may have missed my message to Paul about the change in behavior if I actually feed in a focal length for the set up. This now stops it firing at full power, but does not get the exposure correct. I can now dial in an exposure adjustment on the camera camera and have it affect the output, but then opening the aperture 2 stop results in a 2 stop variation in exposure (brighter) rather than the P-TTL adjusting for it. Closing the aperture makes it dimmer. It seems that the P-TTL is just not doing much of anything. Using 2 differently powered flashes can only lead to trouble (unless you want 2 different power outputs of course). Leon On 29 April 2011 23:55, AlunFoto wrote: > Leon, > Combining the info from this thread and another, you have a setup with > two AF-360FGZ flashes, a 30mm (or thereabouts) lens on bellows with up > to 25mm extension. The lens is stopped down to f/16, and the > flash-to-subject distance is about 10 cm for both flashes. I assume > both flashes are in the same mode, "green" P-TTL. > > My guess is that the extension and stopped-down aperture combined > makes the preflash too weak for the camera to gauge the right > exposure. It then assumes that the motif is at least 70 cm away and > just about pitch dark, blasting it with all flash power available. If > this is a correct guess, I believe you will continue to see > overexposures as you decrease extension, until you reach a point where > the preflash registers with the camera's light meter. I'm curious to > see what happens then. Judging from my experience with the 540 earlier > today, you should drop very rapidly into underexposure. Assuming > constant flash to subject distance for all exposures. > > It might be a good idea to try one flash at a time too, just to rule > out that the dual flash setup mess up anything. I'm very confused by > my own dual flash setup, but I suspect that's down to different power > rating (GN 54 vs GN 16), so it might not apply to you at all. :-) > > > Jostein > > 2011/4/24 Leon Altoff : >> I need to find out more about this, because it doesn't work for me. >> At least, not with the lens I use. >> >> I'll admit it's not your normal A lens, but this set up worked on the >> MZ-S and the *istD and I'd love to have it work on the K7 (or the next >> camera upgrade). I have added A contacts to a set of bellows. With >> the camera set to fully open aperture (f2 in this case), and the lens >> on the bellows closed down when the prefire happens, the camera >> calculates the correct exposure and the flash fires correctly - using >> the *istD and 2 AF360 flashes. The K10D and K7 fire the flash at full >> output. >> >> Both the newer cameras behave as if there is an A lens connected to >> the camera. The camera recognises the aperture range I set the mount >> to and I can select the aperture accordingly. It even meters >> correctly for changes in the aperture set on the camera in P mode. >> Everything except the flash output. >> >> If someone has a simple A lens (maximum of 6 contacts on the lens), a >> K7 and an AF360 flash can you conduct an experiment to see if you get >> correct P-TTL exposure out of the setup? That will at least let me >> know if it's just me or a design issue. I'll have to try high speed >> sync mode to see if that makes a difference since it works for Paul. >> >> Leon >> >> On 18 April 2011 23:26, Paul Stenquist wrote: >>> >>> On Apr 18, 2011, at 9:12 AM, Thibouille wrote: >>> AFAIK the A lenses do PTTL with K7. >>> >>> And with the K5 as well. I frequently use it with my A400/5.6 in high-speed >>> synch mode. >>> Paul >>> >>> 2011/4/18 Leon Altoff : > Hi Tim, > > I've considered this same thing, though Pentax normally do manage to > make a nice improvement between models. Personally I've decided to > upgrade every second major upgrade - bought a K10D, skipped the K20D, > bought the K7, skipped the K5, buy the K3?. > > I'll admit I'd like the improved low light capability of the K5 over > the K7, but as I'm expecting the K3 (for want of a better model number > to apply) to be improved I can wait. For a while. If it's not > improved then I will probably go out and buy a K5 simply to keep the > control layout on the back the same between the K5 and the K7 (because > I do use 2 bodies). > > I'm hanging out for some rumors of what the next model holds, but > there is nothing. And I'm watching other's buying K5's. > > What should they be working on? I don't know. I would like to see > them bring back P-TTL flash working on A lenses like the *istD had. I > use that. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K7, A Lenses and PTTL (was Re: What next in an SLR?)
Leon, Combining the info from this thread and another, you have a setup with two AF-360FGZ flashes, a 30mm (or thereabouts) lens on bellows with up to 25mm extension. The lens is stopped down to f/16, and the flash-to-subject distance is about 10 cm for both flashes. I assume both flashes are in the same mode, "green" P-TTL. My guess is that the extension and stopped-down aperture combined makes the preflash too weak for the camera to gauge the right exposure. It then assumes that the motif is at least 70 cm away and just about pitch dark, blasting it with all flash power available. If this is a correct guess, I believe you will continue to see overexposures as you decrease extension, until you reach a point where the preflash registers with the camera's light meter. I'm curious to see what happens then. Judging from my experience with the 540 earlier today, you should drop very rapidly into underexposure. Assuming constant flash to subject distance for all exposures. It might be a good idea to try one flash at a time too, just to rule out that the dual flash setup mess up anything. I'm very confused by my own dual flash setup, but I suspect that's down to different power rating (GN 54 vs GN 16), so it might not apply to you at all. :-) Jostein 2011/4/24 Leon Altoff : > I need to find out more about this, because it doesn't work for me. > At least, not with the lens I use. > > I'll admit it's not your normal A lens, but this set up worked on the > MZ-S and the *istD and I'd love to have it work on the K7 (or the next > camera upgrade). I have added A contacts to a set of bellows. With > the camera set to fully open aperture (f2 in this case), and the lens > on the bellows closed down when the prefire happens, the camera > calculates the correct exposure and the flash fires correctly - using > the *istD and 2 AF360 flashes. The K10D and K7 fire the flash at full > output. > > Both the newer cameras behave as if there is an A lens connected to > the camera. The camera recognises the aperture range I set the mount > to and I can select the aperture accordingly. It even meters > correctly for changes in the aperture set on the camera in P mode. > Everything except the flash output. > > If someone has a simple A lens (maximum of 6 contacts on the lens), a > K7 and an AF360 flash can you conduct an experiment to see if you get > correct P-TTL exposure out of the setup? That will at least let me > know if it's just me or a design issue. I'll have to try high speed > sync mode to see if that makes a difference since it works for Paul. > > Leon > > On 18 April 2011 23:26, Paul Stenquist wrote: >> >> On Apr 18, 2011, at 9:12 AM, Thibouille wrote: >> >>> AFAIK the A lenses do PTTL with K7. >> >> And with the K5 as well. I frequently use it with my A400/5.6 in high-speed >> synch mode. >> Paul >> >> >>> >>> 2011/4/18 Leon Altoff : Hi Tim, I've considered this same thing, though Pentax normally do manage to make a nice improvement between models. Personally I've decided to upgrade every second major upgrade - bought a K10D, skipped the K20D, bought the K7, skipped the K5, buy the K3?. I'll admit I'd like the improved low light capability of the K5 over the K7, but as I'm expecting the K3 (for want of a better model number to apply) to be improved I can wait. For a while. If it's not improved then I will probably go out and buy a K5 simply to keep the control layout on the back the same between the K5 and the K7 (because I do use 2 bodies). I'm hanging out for some rumors of what the next model holds, but there is nothing. And I'm watching other's buying K5's. What should they be working on? I don't know. I would like to see them bring back P-TTL flash working on A lenses like the *istD had. I use that. Leon > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K7, A Lenses and PTTL (was Re: What next in an SLR?)
Hi Paul, The A 400 seems to be behaving the same as my setup when recording the information. I have discovered that if I set the shake reduction the flash behaves differently and doesn't fire at full power all the time. I normally don't bother to set it as it seems unnecessary given I'm shooting with flash and the camera is mounted to a stand. It still doesn't get the exposure correct and is variable depending on how I set things, but it is at least controllable (and more conveniently than running two flashes on manual). When you left the shake reduction on 85 did you notice any difference in exposure? Do you need to set any exposure adjustment when using the 400? I'll come to an understanding on it all eventually (then I'll buy a new camera and the rules will change!). Thanks for your help. Leon On 29 April 2011 22:15, Paul Stenquist wrote: > I hadn't looked at the metadata from my A400 in detail until you asked. From > a recent shoot with the K-5, it's described as an "A series lens," and the > focal length is noted as 400mm. The focal length was apparently derived from > the shake reduction setting, because with a couple of shots where I had > neglected to change it from an earlier setting of 85mm, the metadata still > reads 85mm, rather than 400mm. On both, the data noted when the AF540 flash > fired and recorded f stop and shutter speed. As I recall the K-7 performed in > the same manner. > > Paul > On Apr 29, 2011, at 8:05 AM, AlunFoto wrote: > >> Leon, >> I don't have any A lens suitable for testing right now, but I'm a bit >> curious. How is the "lens" described in the file metadata? Is there >> any difference between K-7 and the older cameras there? >> >> Jostein >> >> 2011/4/24 Leon Altoff : >>> I need to find out more about this, because it doesn't work for me. >>> At least, not with the lens I use. >>> >>> I'll admit it's not your normal A lens, but this set up worked on the >>> MZ-S and the *istD and I'd love to have it work on the K7 (or the next >>> camera upgrade). I have added A contacts to a set of bellows. With >>> the camera set to fully open aperture (f2 in this case), and the lens >>> on the bellows closed down when the prefire happens, the camera >>> calculates the correct exposure and the flash fires correctly - using >>> the *istD and 2 AF360 flashes. The K10D and K7 fire the flash at full >>> output. >>> >>> Both the newer cameras behave as if there is an A lens connected to >>> the camera. The camera recognises the aperture range I set the mount >>> to and I can select the aperture accordingly. It even meters >>> correctly for changes in the aperture set on the camera in P mode. >>> Everything except the flash output. >>> >>> If someone has a simple A lens (maximum of 6 contacts on the lens), a >>> K7 and an AF360 flash can you conduct an experiment to see if you get >>> correct P-TTL exposure out of the setup? That will at least let me >>> know if it's just me or a design issue. I'll have to try high speed >>> sync mode to see if that makes a difference since it works for Paul. >>> >>> Leon >>> >>> On 18 April 2011 23:26, Paul Stenquist wrote: On Apr 18, 2011, at 9:12 AM, Thibouille wrote: > AFAIK the A lenses do PTTL with K7. And with the K5 as well. I frequently use it with my A400/5.6 in high-speed synch mode. Paul > > 2011/4/18 Leon Altoff : >> Hi Tim, >> >> I've considered this same thing, though Pentax normally do manage to >> make a nice improvement between models. Personally I've decided to >> upgrade every second major upgrade - bought a K10D, skipped the K20D, >> bought the K7, skipped the K5, buy the K3?. >> >> I'll admit I'd like the improved low light capability of the K5 over >> the K7, but as I'm expecting the K3 (for want of a better model number >> to apply) to be improved I can wait. For a while. If it's not >> improved then I will probably go out and buy a K5 simply to keep the >> control layout on the back the same between the K5 and the K7 (because >> I do use 2 bodies). >> >> I'm hanging out for some rumors of what the next model holds, but >> there is nothing. And I'm watching other's buying K5's. >> >> What should they be working on? I don't know. I would like to see >> them bring back P-TTL flash working on A lenses like the *istD had. I >> use that. >> >> Leon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K7, A Lenses and PTTL (was Re: What next in an SLR?)
Hi Jostein, The metadata shows the lens as "A series lens" in Adobe Bridge or "A lens" in Pentax Digital Camera Utility. It's the same for if the lens is on the K7 or the K10D. Leon On 29 April 2011 22:05, AlunFoto wrote: > Leon, > I don't have any A lens suitable for testing right now, but I'm a bit > curious. How is the "lens" described in the file metadata? Is there > any difference between K-7 and the older cameras there? > > Jostein > > 2011/4/24 Leon Altoff : >> I need to find out more about this, because it doesn't work for me. >> At least, not with the lens I use. >> >> I'll admit it's not your normal A lens, but this set up worked on the >> MZ-S and the *istD and I'd love to have it work on the K7 (or the next >> camera upgrade). I have added A contacts to a set of bellows. With >> the camera set to fully open aperture (f2 in this case), and the lens >> on the bellows closed down when the prefire happens, the camera >> calculates the correct exposure and the flash fires correctly - using >> the *istD and 2 AF360 flashes. The K10D and K7 fire the flash at full >> output. >> >> Both the newer cameras behave as if there is an A lens connected to >> the camera. The camera recognises the aperture range I set the mount >> to and I can select the aperture accordingly. It even meters >> correctly for changes in the aperture set on the camera in P mode. >> Everything except the flash output. >> >> If someone has a simple A lens (maximum of 6 contacts on the lens), a >> K7 and an AF360 flash can you conduct an experiment to see if you get >> correct P-TTL exposure out of the setup? That will at least let me >> know if it's just me or a design issue. I'll have to try high speed >> sync mode to see if that makes a difference since it works for Paul. >> >> Leon >> >> On 18 April 2011 23:26, Paul Stenquist wrote: >>> >>> On Apr 18, 2011, at 9:12 AM, Thibouille wrote: >>> AFAIK the A lenses do PTTL with K7. >>> >>> And with the K5 as well. I frequently use it with my A400/5.6 in high-speed >>> synch mode. >>> Paul >>> >>> 2011/4/18 Leon Altoff : > Hi Tim, > > I've considered this same thing, though Pentax normally do manage to > make a nice improvement between models. Personally I've decided to > upgrade every second major upgrade - bought a K10D, skipped the K20D, > bought the K7, skipped the K5, buy the K3?. > > I'll admit I'd like the improved low light capability of the K5 over > the K7, but as I'm expecting the K3 (for want of a better model number > to apply) to be improved I can wait. For a while. If it's not > improved then I will probably go out and buy a K5 simply to keep the > control layout on the back the same between the K5 and the K7 (because > I do use 2 bodies). > > I'm hanging out for some rumors of what the next model holds, but > there is nothing. And I'm watching other's buying K5's. > > What should they be working on? I don't know. I would like to see > them bring back P-TTL flash working on A lenses like the *istD had. I > use that. > > Leon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K7, A Lenses and PTTL (was Re: What next in an SLR?)
I hadn't looked at the metadata from my A400 in detail until you asked. From a recent shoot with the K-5, it's described as an "A series lens," and the focal length is noted as 400mm. The focal length was apparently derived from the shake reduction setting, because with a couple of shots where I had neglected to change it from an earlier setting of 85mm, the metadata still reads 85mm, rather than 400mm. On both, the data noted when the AF540 flash fired and recorded f stop and shutter speed. As I recall the K-7 performed in the same manner. Paul On Apr 29, 2011, at 8:05 AM, AlunFoto wrote: > Leon, > I don't have any A lens suitable for testing right now, but I'm a bit > curious. How is the "lens" described in the file metadata? Is there > any difference between K-7 and the older cameras there? > > Jostein > > 2011/4/24 Leon Altoff : >> I need to find out more about this, because it doesn't work for me. >> At least, not with the lens I use. >> >> I'll admit it's not your normal A lens, but this set up worked on the >> MZ-S and the *istD and I'd love to have it work on the K7 (or the next >> camera upgrade). I have added A contacts to a set of bellows. With >> the camera set to fully open aperture (f2 in this case), and the lens >> on the bellows closed down when the prefire happens, the camera >> calculates the correct exposure and the flash fires correctly - using >> the *istD and 2 AF360 flashes. The K10D and K7 fire the flash at full >> output. >> >> Both the newer cameras behave as if there is an A lens connected to >> the camera. The camera recognises the aperture range I set the mount >> to and I can select the aperture accordingly. It even meters >> correctly for changes in the aperture set on the camera in P mode. >> Everything except the flash output. >> >> If someone has a simple A lens (maximum of 6 contacts on the lens), a >> K7 and an AF360 flash can you conduct an experiment to see if you get >> correct P-TTL exposure out of the setup? That will at least let me >> know if it's just me or a design issue. I'll have to try high speed >> sync mode to see if that makes a difference since it works for Paul. >> >> Leon >> >> On 18 April 2011 23:26, Paul Stenquist wrote: >>> >>> On Apr 18, 2011, at 9:12 AM, Thibouille wrote: >>> AFAIK the A lenses do PTTL with K7. >>> >>> And with the K5 as well. I frequently use it with my A400/5.6 in high-speed >>> synch mode. >>> Paul >>> >>> 2011/4/18 Leon Altoff : > Hi Tim, > > I've considered this same thing, though Pentax normally do manage to > make a nice improvement between models. Personally I've decided to > upgrade every second major upgrade - bought a K10D, skipped the K20D, > bought the K7, skipped the K5, buy the K3?. > > I'll admit I'd like the improved low light capability of the K5 over > the K7, but as I'm expecting the K3 (for want of a better model number > to apply) to be improved I can wait. For a while. If it's not > improved then I will probably go out and buy a K5 simply to keep the > control layout on the back the same between the K5 and the K7 (because > I do use 2 bodies). > > I'm hanging out for some rumors of what the next model holds, but > there is nothing. And I'm watching other's buying K5's. > > What should they be working on? I don't know. I would like to see > them bring back P-TTL flash working on A lenses like the *istD had. I > use that. > > Leon >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > > > > -- > http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ > http://alunfoto.blogspot.com > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K7, A Lenses and PTTL (was Re: What next in an SLR?)
Leon, I don't have any A lens suitable for testing right now, but I'm a bit curious. How is the "lens" described in the file metadata? Is there any difference between K-7 and the older cameras there? Jostein 2011/4/24 Leon Altoff : > I need to find out more about this, because it doesn't work for me. > At least, not with the lens I use. > > I'll admit it's not your normal A lens, but this set up worked on the > MZ-S and the *istD and I'd love to have it work on the K7 (or the next > camera upgrade). I have added A contacts to a set of bellows. With > the camera set to fully open aperture (f2 in this case), and the lens > on the bellows closed down when the prefire happens, the camera > calculates the correct exposure and the flash fires correctly - using > the *istD and 2 AF360 flashes. The K10D and K7 fire the flash at full > output. > > Both the newer cameras behave as if there is an A lens connected to > the camera. The camera recognises the aperture range I set the mount > to and I can select the aperture accordingly. It even meters > correctly for changes in the aperture set on the camera in P mode. > Everything except the flash output. > > If someone has a simple A lens (maximum of 6 contacts on the lens), a > K7 and an AF360 flash can you conduct an experiment to see if you get > correct P-TTL exposure out of the setup? That will at least let me > know if it's just me or a design issue. I'll have to try high speed > sync mode to see if that makes a difference since it works for Paul. > > Leon > > On 18 April 2011 23:26, Paul Stenquist wrote: >> >> On Apr 18, 2011, at 9:12 AM, Thibouille wrote: >> >>> AFAIK the A lenses do PTTL with K7. >> >> And with the K5 as well. I frequently use it with my A400/5.6 in high-speed >> synch mode. >> Paul >> >> >>> >>> 2011/4/18 Leon Altoff : Hi Tim, I've considered this same thing, though Pentax normally do manage to make a nice improvement between models. Personally I've decided to upgrade every second major upgrade - bought a K10D, skipped the K20D, bought the K7, skipped the K5, buy the K3?. I'll admit I'd like the improved low light capability of the K5 over the K7, but as I'm expecting the K3 (for want of a better model number to apply) to be improved I can wait. For a while. If it's not improved then I will probably go out and buy a K5 simply to keep the control layout on the back the same between the K5 and the K7 (because I do use 2 bodies). I'm hanging out for some rumors of what the next model holds, but there is nothing. And I'm watching other's buying K5's. What should they be working on? I don't know. I would like to see them bring back P-TTL flash working on A lenses like the *istD had. I use that. Leon > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
K7, A Lenses and PTTL (was Re: What next in an SLR?)
I need to find out more about this, because it doesn't work for me. At least, not with the lens I use. I'll admit it's not your normal A lens, but this set up worked on the MZ-S and the *istD and I'd love to have it work on the K7 (or the next camera upgrade). I have added A contacts to a set of bellows. With the camera set to fully open aperture (f2 in this case), and the lens on the bellows closed down when the prefire happens, the camera calculates the correct exposure and the flash fires correctly - using the *istD and 2 AF360 flashes. The K10D and K7 fire the flash at full output. Both the newer cameras behave as if there is an A lens connected to the camera. The camera recognises the aperture range I set the mount to and I can select the aperture accordingly. It even meters correctly for changes in the aperture set on the camera in P mode. Everything except the flash output. If someone has a simple A lens (maximum of 6 contacts on the lens), a K7 and an AF360 flash can you conduct an experiment to see if you get correct P-TTL exposure out of the setup? That will at least let me know if it's just me or a design issue. I'll have to try high speed sync mode to see if that makes a difference since it works for Paul. Leon On 18 April 2011 23:26, Paul Stenquist wrote: > > On Apr 18, 2011, at 9:12 AM, Thibouille wrote: > >> AFAIK the A lenses do PTTL with K7. > > And with the K5 as well. I frequently use it with my A400/5.6 in high-speed > synch mode. > Paul > > >> >> 2011/4/18 Leon Altoff : >>> Hi Tim, >>> >>> I've considered this same thing, though Pentax normally do manage to >>> make a nice improvement between models. Personally I've decided to >>> upgrade every second major upgrade - bought a K10D, skipped the K20D, >>> bought the K7, skipped the K5, buy the K3?. >>> >>> I'll admit I'd like the improved low light capability of the K5 over >>> the K7, but as I'm expecting the K3 (for want of a better model number >>> to apply) to be improved I can wait. For a while. If it's not >>> improved then I will probably go out and buy a K5 simply to keep the >>> control layout on the back the same between the K5 and the K7 (because >>> I do use 2 bodies). >>> >>> I'm hanging out for some rumors of what the next model holds, but >>> there is nothing. And I'm watching other's buying K5's. >>> >>> What should they be working on? I don't know. I would like to see >>> them bring back P-TTL flash working on A lenses like the *istD had. I >>> use that. >>> >>> Leon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
On 19/04/2011 2:59 PM, John Francis wrote: A 1.0x tele-extender would have to leave the angle of view the same. That doesn't leave any room to insert a simple design between the lens and the camera. IIRC, Canon tried something like this to appease it's FD users when they abandoned the user base. Unfortunately, the quality was atrocious, so Canon more or less told all their FD lens users that they had been duped, and to just shut up and buy an EOS, and forget about their lens investment. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
The F 1.7x is what you'll get. It was current in Japan a few years ago. Sold for a premium on e-bay, but I lucked out and got mine for a reasonable price. A 1.0x converter would probably have resolution destroying optics. On 4/19/2011 4:35 PM, Sam L wrote: On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 11:34 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: And where are the DA 1.4 and DA 2.0 tele-extenders?!? Would it be crazy to ask for a DA 1.0 tele-extender? That would allow me to use my old lenses at their nominal focal length and give me a bit of auto-focus, right? --- Sam -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 04:35:24PM -0400, Sam L wrote: > On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 11:34 PM, Stan Halpin > wrote: > > > > And where are the DA 1.4 and DA 2.0 tele-extenders?!? > > Would it be crazy to ask for a DA 1.0 tele-extender? > > That would allow me to use my old lenses at their nominal focal length > and give me a bit of auto-focus, right? Not without a whole lot of other compromises, no. Teleconverters work, in essence, by attaching behind the lens and shifting the image plane of the lens backwards. The amount of shift is directly related to the "magnification" (or, alternatively, narrowing of the angle of view). You can do this by, effectively, sticking a concave lens behind the lens. And that's what a teleconverter is, really. A 1.0x tele-extender would have to leave the angle of view the same. That doesn't leave any room to insert a simple design between the lens and the camera. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 11:34 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: > > And where are the DA 1.4 and DA 2.0 tele-extenders?!? Would it be crazy to ask for a DA 1.0 tele-extender? That would allow me to use my old lenses at their nominal focal length and give me a bit of auto-focus, right? --- Sam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
On 2011-04-18 19:48 , William Robb wrote: Is there such thing as a really good EVF? i think there is a clear market opportunity for a really good EVF, so it seems likely we'll see one soon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
More time to write. Seriously, technology improves with time. If I had to place money on it, I would bet that the DSLRs will slowly fade to a more minor position and, eventually, mirrorless cameras will become the dominant type for enthusiasts and even many pros. I note that this does not mean the eye-level VF will go away. I think Godfry made the best point here: mirror technology can't go anywhere and will always be bulkier, whereas the EVF tech will keep getting better. If that optical bulk can be replaced with more electronics then that could even hasten the switch. I can appreciate the light camera on a heavy lens problem, but that can be dealt with if the lens becomes the primary bulk of the setup, the way current cameras deal with really big lenses. No great emotional investment here; this is just how I read the tea leaves. Of course, this means I think Hoya/Pentax would be well advised to get involved. On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 9:48 PM, William Robb wrote: > On 18/04/2011 12:12 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: >> >> The only way they would do that would be if they used a EVF and you >> could look that way. No digital camera is going to sell without a way >> to chimp. I have wondered why they don't leave it off an EVIL, >> however, and just have a really good evf. > > Is there such thing as a really good EVF? > > -- > > William Robb > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
- Original Message - From: "William Robb" To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 11:13 PM Subject: Re: What next in an SLR? On 18/04/2011 9:37 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: Have you tried this, Bill? Cheers, Christine www.pktether.com/ Yes, and it does work. I would prefer a made by Pentax program, or at least one authorized by Pentax for CYA reasons. I do find it interesting that tucked away in the firmware of both the K5 and K7 is the ability to tether, and Pentax just plain refusing to support it with software of their own. It makes me wonder if there isn't perhaps some sort of licensing issue with the firmware preventing them from utilizing some of the built in capabilities. Indeed. That is curious. Thanks for the head up! Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
On 18/04/2011 9:37 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: Have you tried this, Bill? Cheers, Christine www.pktether.com/ Yes, and it does work. I would prefer a made by Pentax program, or at least one authorized by Pentax for CYA reasons. I do find it interesting that tucked away in the firmware of both the K5 and K7 is the ability to tether, and Pentax just plain refusing to support it with software of their own. It makes me wonder if there isn't perhaps some sort of licensing issue with the firmware preventing them from utilizing some of the built in capabilities. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
Have you tried this, Bill? Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: "William Robb" To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 8:51 PM Subject: Re: What next in an SLR? On 18/04/2011 3:56 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote: What you can't do at this point is control the camera from a PC or save the image directly to the PC's hard drive. www.pktether.com/ -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
The vf2 for the E-P's is pretty good and they will get better. -Original Message- From: William Robb Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:48:56 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: What next in an SLR? On 18/04/2011 12:12 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: > The only way they would do that would be if they used a EVF and you > could look that way. No digital camera is going to sell without a way > to chimp. I have wondered why they don't leave it off an EVIL, > however, and just have a really good evf. Is there such thing as a really good EVF? -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
On 18/04/2011 3:56 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote: What you can't do at this point is control the camera from a PC or save the image directly to the PC's hard drive. www.pktether.com/ -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
On 18/04/2011 12:12 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: The only way they would do that would be if they used a EVF and you could look that way. No digital camera is going to sell without a way to chimp. I have wondered why they don't leave it off an EVIL, however, and just have a really good evf. Is there such thing as a really good EVF? -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
On Apr 18, 2011, at 9:14 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Paul Stenquist > wrote: >> >> On Apr 18, 2011, at 2:30 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Paul Stenquist >>> wrote: Leicas are great for a certain type of use, but they lack the flexibility of a DSLR, in that they can't be used effectively with lenses longer than 135mm. While I enjoy my Barnack Leica, the lack of long lens support makes any Leica a non-starter for me and many other photographers. In regard to optional features on cameras, it doesn't bother me that they exist as long as they don't get in the way. And on the K-5, they don't. I use it the same way I would use a digital Leica. >>> >>> I wasn't arguing that a RF can replace an SLR. I don't know how that >>> becomes a topic to debate. >> >> It's not a debate. But since you had digressed from the topic to make some >> interesting points, among them that a Leica is an "excellent tool, " I >> merely wanted to point out that a Leica is also a limited tool. Just a >> point of discussion. ... > > Sorry Paul, but your comment seemed totally irrelevant to the idea I > was discussing. I said nothing even remotely related to "perhaps > Pentax should make a Leica RF". I'm sorry that you missed my point. > > -- > Godfrey > godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > > On Apr 18, 2011, at 2:30 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > >> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Paul Stenquist >> wrote: >>> Leicas are great for a certain type of use, but they lack the flexibility >>> of a DSLR, in that they can't be used effectively with lenses longer than >>> 135mm. While I enjoy my Barnack Leica, the lack of long lens support makes >>> any Leica a non-starter for me and many other photographers. In regard to >>> optional features on cameras, it doesn't bother me that they exist as long >>> as they don't get in the way. And on the K-5, they don't. I use it the same >>> way I would use a digital Leica. >> >> I wasn't arguing that a RF can replace an SLR. I don't know how that >> becomes a topic to debate. > > It's not a debate. But since you had digressed from the topic to make some > interesting points, among them that a Leica is an "excellent tool, " I merely > wanted to point out that a Leica is also a limited tool. Just a point of > discussion. ... Sorry Paul, but your comment seemed totally irrelevant to the idea I was discussing. I said nothing even remotely related to "perhaps Pentax should make a Leica RF". -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
On Apr 18, 2011, at 6:55 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote: > Also, playback while recording only works with the HDMI output, not the AV > composite. And that HDMI playback is all you need for serious video shooting. > > -p > > On 4/18/2011 5:48 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote: >> On 4/18/2011 5:05 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: >>> On Apr 18, 2011, at 5:56 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote: >>> The HDMI port on both the K-7 and K-5, fed to the HDMI port on a TV or PC will give you live view. In fact, it's kind of nice to see the live view on a 40" screen. What you can't do at this point is control the camera from a PC or save the image directly to the PC's hard drive. >>> Good to know. The DSLR video shooter I worked with last month had a 7-inch >>> HD monitor hooked up to his Canon Rebel T2i, which made focusing fairly >>> easy. I imagine the same can be done with the K5. Paul >> >> Yes, but you have to use MF since AF doesn't work once you start recording >> in video mode. >> >> -p >> >> -p 4/18/2011 1:00 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > A real tether solution, not just an afterthought, should be able to feet > the live view to the PC. I don't think we'll see that from Pentax in the > near future. > > On 4/17/2011 4:32 PM, AlunFoto wrote: >> 2011/4/17 David Parsons: >>> I'd be happy with a fully realized tethering solution. >> It may be coming in a firmware upgrade for K-5 and 645D. >> >> You didn't hear that from me, because I never spread unsubstantiated >> rumors. :-) >> >> Jostein >> >> > -- Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. >>> >> >> > > > -- > Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
On Apr 18, 2011, at 6:48 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote: > On 4/18/2011 5:05 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: >> On Apr 18, 2011, at 5:56 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote: >> >>> The HDMI port on both the K-7 and K-5, fed to the HDMI port on a TV or PC >>> will give you live view. In fact, it's kind of nice to see the live view >>> on a 40" screen. What you can't do at this point is control the camera >>> from a PC or save the image directly to the PC's hard drive. >>> >> Good to know. The DSLR video shooter I worked with last month had a 7-inch >> HD monitor hooked up to his Canon Rebel T2i, which made focusing fairly >> easy. I imagine the same can be done with the K5. Paul > > Yes, but you have to use MF since AF doesn't work once you start recording in > video mode. That/s the whole point of using the HD monitor. It enables manual focusing. I don't know if the T2i is capable of autofocus in video mode, but my shooter focused everything manually. And he pretty much nailed it. Paul > > -p > > >>> -p >>> >>> 4/18/2011 1:00 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: A real tether solution, not just an afterthought, should be able to feet the live view to the PC. I don't think we'll see that from Pentax in the near future. On 4/17/2011 4:32 PM, AlunFoto wrote: > 2011/4/17 David Parsons: >> I'd be happy with a fully realized tethering solution. > It may be coming in a firmware upgrade for K-5 and 645D. > > You didn't hear that from me, because I never spread unsubstantiated > rumors. :-) > > Jostein > > >>> >>> -- >>> Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> > > > -- > Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
Don't think so...haven't tried it. -p On 4/18/2011 5:38 PM, steve harley wrote: On 2011-04-18 15:56 , Paul Sorenson wrote: The HDMI port on both the K-7 and K-5, fed to the HDMI port on a TV or PC will give you live view. In fact, it's kind of nice to see the live view on a 40" screen. What you can't do at this point is control the camera from a PC or save the image directly to the PC's hard drive. will it zoom the display for focusing purposes? -- Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
Also, playback while recording only works with the HDMI output, not the AV composite. -p On 4/18/2011 5:48 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote: On 4/18/2011 5:05 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: On Apr 18, 2011, at 5:56 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote: The HDMI port on both the K-7 and K-5, fed to the HDMI port on a TV or PC will give you live view. In fact, it's kind of nice to see the live view on a 40" screen. What you can't do at this point is control the camera from a PC or save the image directly to the PC's hard drive. Good to know. The DSLR video shooter I worked with last month had a 7-inch HD monitor hooked up to his Canon Rebel T2i, which made focusing fairly easy. I imagine the same can be done with the K5. Paul Yes, but you have to use MF since AF doesn't work once you start recording in video mode. -p -p 4/18/2011 1:00 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: A real tether solution, not just an afterthought, should be able to feet the live view to the PC. I don't think we'll see that from Pentax in the near future. On 4/17/2011 4:32 PM, AlunFoto wrote: 2011/4/17 David Parsons: I'd be happy with a fully realized tethering solution. It may be coming in a firmware upgrade for K-5 and 645D. You didn't hear that from me, because I never spread unsubstantiated rumors. :-) Jostein -- Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
On 4/18/2011 5:05 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: On Apr 18, 2011, at 5:56 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote: The HDMI port on both the K-7 and K-5, fed to the HDMI port on a TV or PC will give you live view. In fact, it's kind of nice to see the live view on a 40" screen. What you can't do at this point is control the camera from a PC or save the image directly to the PC's hard drive. Good to know. The DSLR video shooter I worked with last month had a 7-inch HD monitor hooked up to his Canon Rebel T2i, which made focusing fairly easy. I imagine the same can be done with the K5. Paul Yes, but you have to use MF since AF doesn't work once you start recording in video mode. -p -p 4/18/2011 1:00 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: A real tether solution, not just an afterthought, should be able to feet the live view to the PC. I don't think we'll see that from Pentax in the near future. On 4/17/2011 4:32 PM, AlunFoto wrote: 2011/4/17 David Parsons: I'd be happy with a fully realized tethering solution. It may be coming in a firmware upgrade for K-5 and 645D. You didn't hear that from me, because I never spread unsubstantiated rumors. :-) Jostein -- Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
On 2011-04-18 15:56 , Paul Sorenson wrote: The HDMI port on both the K-7 and K-5, fed to the HDMI port on a TV or PC will give you live view. In fact, it's kind of nice to see the live view on a 40" screen. What you can't do at this point is control the camera from a PC or save the image directly to the PC's hard drive. will it zoom the display for focusing purposes? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
On Apr 18, 2011, at 5:56 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote: > The HDMI port on both the K-7 and K-5, fed to the HDMI port on a TV or PC > will give you live view. In fact, it's kind of nice to see the live view on > a 40" screen. What you can't do at this point is control the camera from a > PC or save the image directly to the PC's hard drive. > Good to know. The DSLR video shooter I worked with last month had a 7-inch HD monitor hooked up to his Canon Rebel T2i, which made focusing fairly easy. I imagine the same can be done with the K5. Paul > -p > > 4/18/2011 1:00 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: >> A real tether solution, not just an afterthought, should be able to feet the >> live view to the PC. I don't think we'll see that from Pentax in the near >> future. >> >> On 4/17/2011 4:32 PM, AlunFoto wrote: >>> 2011/4/17 David Parsons: I'd be happy with a fully realized tethering solution. >>> It may be coming in a firmware upgrade for K-5 and 645D. >>> >>> You didn't hear that from me, because I never spread unsubstantiated >>> rumors. :-) >>> >>> Jostein >>> >>> >> >> > > > -- > Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
The HDMI port on both the K-7 and K-5, fed to the HDMI port on a TV or PC will give you live view. In fact, it's kind of nice to see the live view on a 40" screen. What you can't do at this point is control the camera from a PC or save the image directly to the PC's hard drive. -p 4/18/2011 1:00 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: A real tether solution, not just an afterthought, should be able to feet the live view to the PC. I don't think we'll see that from Pentax in the near future. On 4/17/2011 4:32 PM, AlunFoto wrote: 2011/4/17 David Parsons: I'd be happy with a fully realized tethering solution. It may be coming in a firmware upgrade for K-5 and 645D. You didn't hear that from me, because I never spread unsubstantiated rumors. :-) Jostein -- Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
On Apr 18, 2011, at 2:30 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Paul Stenquist > wrote: >> Leicas are great for a certain type of use, but they lack the flexibility of >> a DSLR, in that they can't be used effectively with lenses longer than >> 135mm. While I enjoy my Barnack Leica, the lack of long lens support makes >> any Leica a non-starter for me and many other photographers. In regard to >> optional features on cameras, it doesn't bother me that they exist as long >> as they don't get in the way. And on the K-5, they don't. I use it the same >> way I would use a digital Leica. > > I wasn't arguing that a RF can replace an SLR. I don't know how that > becomes a topic to debate. It's not a debate. But since you had digressed from the topic to make some interesting points, among them that a Leica is an "excellent tool, " I merely wanted to point out that a Leica is also a limited tool. Just a point of discussion. > I used RF cameras alongside SLRs for many > many years ... I'm very aware of how much more versatile an SLR is and > didn't promote that Pentax should make a rangefinder camera. > > What I liked about the Leica is that it is a well-made, excellent tool > with no chaff in the way of its intended purpose. It is a deliberative > camera with little on it that isn't directly and understandably > useful. My experience from teaching workshops and doing 1:1 training > with clients is that most of the so-called "convenience" features > cause a great deal of consternation and many errors. Cameras which > have a simpler design ethos minimize this sort of confusion and reduce > the decision making process. > > And I'm not against complexity when it is useful and properly > designed. My E-5 is a professional grade camera with a great deal of > features and sophistication, and it is extremely customizable for many > different kinds of use. I don't use all the features, they're not all > needed for my photography, but I appreciate their being there for when > they might be very useful. And I apply customizations when they make > sense for the work I'm doing. > > The question was 'Where should Pentax go with its SLR development?' My > response is that I don't know, the current crop of cameras is very > sophisticated and capable. How much more capable is needed or even > desirable on the basls of the "more more more" philosophy of current > marketing spin is a question mark to me, although more build quality, > more durability, more reliability would always be a big plus. > > What I really debate is whether the SLR camera has much more real > development life left in it ... The old flipping mirror business gets > in the way of so many other things (lens design, mechanical issues, > auto-focusing issues, video capture, etc) that I think its days are > limited. > -- > Godfrey > godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > Leicas are great for a certain type of use, but they lack the flexibility of > a DSLR, in that they can't be used effectively with lenses longer than 135mm. > While I enjoy my Barnack Leica, the lack of long lens support makes any Leica > a non-starter for me and many other photographers. In regard to optional > features on cameras, it doesn't bother me that they exist as long as they > don't get in the way. And on the K-5, they don't. I use it the same way I > would use a digital Leica. I wasn't arguing that a RF can replace an SLR. I don't know how that becomes a topic to debate. I used RF cameras alongside SLRs for many many years ... I'm very aware of how much more versatile an SLR is and didn't promote that Pentax should make a rangefinder camera. What I liked about the Leica is that it is a well-made, excellent tool with no chaff in the way of its intended purpose. It is a deliberative camera with little on it that isn't directly and understandably useful. My experience from teaching workshops and doing 1:1 training with clients is that most of the so-called "convenience" features cause a great deal of consternation and many errors. Cameras which have a simpler design ethos minimize this sort of confusion and reduce the decision making process. And I'm not against complexity when it is useful and properly designed. My E-5 is a professional grade camera with a great deal of features and sophistication, and it is extremely customizable for many different kinds of use. I don't use all the features, they're not all needed for my photography, but I appreciate their being there for when they might be very useful. And I apply customizations when they make sense for the work I'm doing. The question was 'Where should Pentax go with its SLR development?' My response is that I don't know, the current crop of cameras is very sophisticated and capable. How much more capable is needed or even desirable on the basls of the "more more more" philosophy of current marketing spin is a question mark to me, although more build quality, more durability, more reliability would always be a big plus. What I really debate is whether the SLR camera has much more real development life left in it ... The old flipping mirror business gets in the way of so many other things (lens design, mechanical issues, auto-focusing issues, video capture, etc) that I think its days are limited. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
On 2011-04-18 12:14 , Larry Colen wrote: On Apr 18, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: The only way they would do that would be if they used a EVF and you could look that way. No digital camera is going to sell without a way to chimp. I have wondered why they don't leave it off an EVIL, however, and just have a really good evf. Because using menus to reconfigure the camera would be a real PiTA through an EVF. if i had to choose between a very good EVF/hybrid viewfinder and a mediocre EVF plus a display on the back, i'd choose the former; i don't spend all that much time in the menus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
It would work better than a DSLR with no LCD. ;-) On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > On Apr 18, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: > >> The only way they would do that would be if they used a EVF and you >> could look that way. No digital camera is going to sell without a way >> to chimp. I have wondered why they don't leave it off an EVIL, >> however, and just have a really good evf. > > Because using menus to reconfigure the camera would be a real PiTA through an > EVF. > > >> >> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 2:09 PM, steve harley wrote: >>> On 2011-04-18 11:33 , P. J. Alling wrote: Maybe if they just got the thickness of the camera body down to being only slightly greater than the LX >>> >>> one way to do that would be to remove the display >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Steve Desjardins >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > -- > Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
On Apr 18, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: > The only way they would do that would be if they used a EVF and you > could look that way. No digital camera is going to sell without a way > to chimp. I have wondered why they don't leave it off an EVIL, > however, and just have a really good evf. Because using menus to reconfigure the camera would be a real PiTA through an EVF. > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 2:09 PM, steve harley wrote: >> On 2011-04-18 11:33 , P. J. Alling wrote: >>> >>> Maybe if they just got the thickness of the camera body >>> down to being only slightly greater than the LX >> >> one way to do that would be to remove the display >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > > > > -- > Steve Desjardins > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
The only way they would do that would be if they used a EVF and you could look that way. No digital camera is going to sell without a way to chimp. I have wondered why they don't leave it off an EVIL, however, and just have a really good evf. On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 2:09 PM, steve harley wrote: > On 2011-04-18 11:33 , P. J. Alling wrote: >> >> Maybe if they just got the thickness of the camera body >> down to being only slightly greater than the LX > > one way to do that would be to remove the display > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Re: What next in an SLR?
A real tether solution, not just an afterthought, should be able to feet the live view to the PC. I don't think we'll see that from Pentax in the near future. On 4/17/2011 4:32 PM, AlunFoto wrote: 2011/4/17 David Parsons: I'd be happy with a fully realized tethering solution. It may be coming in a firmware upgrade for K-5 and 645D. You didn't hear that from me, because I never spread unsubstantiated rumors. :-) Jostein -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
On 11-04-18 10:26 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Not thinking about Pentax in specific, but I think DSLRs are an endangered species from a development perspective. But not from a sales & popularity perspective apparently. Check out the charts in this article: http://goo.gl/5e3Xw The story is that according to Flickr's statistics (based on reading EXIF info in uploads), the Apple iPhone 4 is about to overtake the Nikon D90 as the most popular camera on that site. But if you look at the downward trend in the Canon P&S chart (bottom of page) it's pretty clear that cameraphones are eating up the market for small P&S cameras. The Nikon D90's trend on Flickr is upward and still climbing. So cameraphones and mid-range DSLRs are happily co-existing. No immanent death or decline prediction for DSLRs there. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
While I'd like to see the return of the aperture simulator, what I's really like is a larger sensor, maybe not full frame, maybe a 1.3 or 1.2 crop. with a 14-16mp sensor. With the current noise handling all other things being equal picture quality will be improved at higher isos. But most likely we'll get more digital fripperies more pixels, on an approximately APS-C sized sensor. Then there's always miniaturization, compare a DSLR, pretty much any DSLR to an LX. Maybe if they just got the thickness of the camera body down to being only slightly greater than the LX On 4/17/2011 12:50 PM, Tim Bray wrote: I'm awfully happy with the K-5. (I was out last night trying to take flash-free pictures in the light of the full moon using my old Sigma 30mm f1.4; it didn't come off for one reason or another, but I haven't given up). Anyhow, it can shoot in as little light as I'll ever need, and as many frames-per-second as I'll ever need, with as many pixels as I'll ever need, and has a battery as big as I'll ever need, and so on and so on. I'm thinking if I were a Pentax product manager trying to figure out what to put in the K-3 or K-1... I just wouldn't know where to start. Smaller would be nice but you can only take that so far before the K-glass gets way out of balance with the body; the K-5 looks deliciously butch with the short extra-fat Sigma on. Once again, what should Pentax be working on? -T -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 11:22:00AM -0600, steve harley wrote: > On 2011-04-18 08:26 , Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > >I was at the camera shop on Saturday and spent some time evaluating a > >Leica M8. Yeah, yeah, the red dot costs a fortune. What appealed to me > >was its stark simplicity: everythiing on the camera enables, motivates > >you to concentrate on the subject and the task at hand, not fuss with > >camera settings or optional feature configurations. Why is such a tool > >for the photographer exclusive to those whose pay grade is several > >stratospheric levels higher than mine? Can it really be that expensive > >to build a simpler camera without all the fluffy stuff? > > i don't really follow Leica, but i expect all of the below has been > said before: > > under current market conditions, one appeal? to a much wider > audience by including the fluffy stuff; some of the fluffy stuff > actually addresses niche needs, and a lot of the fluffy stuff is > cheap to include (so one challenge is to include fluff without > alienating refined users) > > so fluff ==> economies of scale > > Leica probably also avoids competing on price to keep profit margins high There's also a fairly limited market for cameras priced at $5000 and above. About the only people Leica would compete with if they introduced a cheaper model would be themselves, so they have no incentive to do so. Anyone other than Leica trying to sell into that marketplace would have a hard time selling enough cameras for it to be a worthwhile business, even if they could manufacture and sell the a system at a significantly lower price. They still wouldn't be able to sell to the non-trivial chunk of the market place who wouldn't buy a better camera at half the price if it didn't have the cachet of that little red dot. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
Leicas are great for a certain type of use, but they lack the flexibility of a DSLR, in that they can't be used effectively with lenses longer than 135mm. While I enjoy my Barnack Leica, the lack of long lens support makes any Leica a non-starter for me and many other photographers. In regard to optional features on cameras, it doesn't bother me that they exist as long as they don't get in the way. And on the K-5, they don't. I use it the same way I would use a digital Leica. Paul On Apr 18, 2011, at 1:22 PM, steve harley wrote: > On 2011-04-18 08:26 , Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >> I was at the camera shop on Saturday and spent some time evaluating a >> Leica M8. Yeah, yeah, the red dot costs a fortune. What appealed to me >> was its stark simplicity: everythiing on the camera enables, motivates >> you to concentrate on the subject and the task at hand, not fuss with >> camera settings or optional feature configurations. Why is such a tool >> for the photographer exclusive to those whose pay grade is several >> stratospheric levels higher than mine? Can it really be that expensive >> to build a simpler camera without all the fluffy stuff? > > i don't really follow Leica, but i expect all of the below has been said > before: > > under current market conditions, one appealß to a much wider audience by > including the fluffy stuff; some of the fluffy stuff actually addresses niche > needs, and a lot of the fluffy stuff is cheap to include (so one challenge is > to include fluff without alienating refined users) > > so fluff ==> economies of scale > > Leica probably also avoids competing on price to keep profit margins high > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2011-04-18 08:26 , Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I was at the camera shop on Saturday and spent some time evaluating a Leica M8. Yeah, yeah, the red dot costs a fortune. What appealed to me was its stark simplicity: everythiing on the camera enables, motivates you to concentrate on the subject and the task at hand, not fuss with camera settings or optional feature configurations. Why is such a tool for the photographer exclusive to those whose pay grade is several stratospheric levels higher than mine? Can it really be that expensive to build a simpler camera without all the fluffy stuff? i don't really follow Leica, but i expect all of the below has been said before: under current market conditions, one appealß to a much wider audience by including the fluffy stuff; some of the fluffy stuff actually addresses niche needs, and a lot of the fluffy stuff is cheap to include (so one challenge is to include fluff without alienating refined users) so fluff ==> economies of scale Leica probably also avoids competing on price to keep profit margins high -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4/17/2011 1:19 PM, William Robb wrote: On 17/04/2011 10:50 AM, Tim Bray wrote: Once again, what should Pentax be working on? -T Quality control and making all this cool technology work properly. I guess we all have dreams. -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Apr 18, 2011, at 11:50 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: > Pentax has a real problem here. Part of their image is small DSLR > bodies. Maybe they should just make two sizes. They do: with and without the grip. However, I certainly wouldn't want them to go any smaller than the K-5, and I doubt that they would. It would make for an unmanageable camera with anything longer than a short telephoto lens. Paul > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 9:51 AM, David J Brooks wrote: >> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Tim Bray wrote: >> >>> >>> Once again, what should Pentax be working on? -T >> >> >> Not owning a K-5, yet, i would say keep working on the AF. They may >> want to go to best Buy and pick up a Nikon and take it apart. >> I felt my istD was to small, i like the bigger bodies like my D1's and >> D200. A small camera does not feel balanced in my hands.,so i would >> caution them about going to small. >> >> Dave >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. >> www.caughtinmotion.com >> http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ >> York Region, Ontario, Canada >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > > > > -- > Steve Desjardins > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Pentax has a real problem here. Part of their image is small DSLR bodies. Maybe they should just make two sizes. On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 9:51 AM, David J Brooks wrote: > On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Tim Bray wrote: > >> >> Once again, what should Pentax be working on? -T > > > Not owning a K-5, yet, i would say keep working on the AF. They may > want to go to best Buy and pick up a Nikon and take it apart. > I felt my istD was to small, i like the bigger bodies like my D1's and > D200. A small camera does not feel balanced in my hands.,so i would > caution them about going to small. > > Dave >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > > > > -- > Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. > www.caughtinmotion.com > http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ > York Region, Ontario, Canada > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Not thinking about Pentax in specific, but I think DSLRs are an endangered species from a development perspective. The sophistication of today's DSLRs makes it more and more difficult to figure out what can improve them as picture making machines. More pixels, more sensitivity, faster this or that ... when is enough enough? What we have today is superb, how much better can it get in a way that actually improves the process of capturing photographs? A bazilion convenience features do not make a better camera. I was at the camera shop on Saturday and spent some time evaluating a Leica M8. Yeah, yeah, the red dot costs a fortune. What appealed to me was its stark simplicity: everythiing on the camera enables, motivates you to concentrate on the subject and the task at hand, not fuss with camera settings or optional feature configurations. Why is such a tool for the photographer exclusive to those whose pay grade is several stratospheric levels higher than mine? Can it really be that expensive to build a simpler camera without all the fluffy stuff? But I digress. I have no idea how Pentax can make a substantively better SLR. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Tim Bray wrote: > > Once again, what should Pentax be working on? -T Not owning a K-5, yet, i would say keep working on the AF. They may want to go to best Buy and pick up a Nikon and take it apart. I felt my istD was to small, i like the bigger bodies like my D1's and D200. A small camera does not feel balanced in my hands.,so i would caution them about going to small. Dave > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Apr 18, 2011, at 9:12 AM, Thibouille wrote: > AFAIK the A lenses do PTTL with K7. And with the K5 as well. I frequently use it with my A400/5.6 in high-speed synch mode. Paul > > 2011/4/18 Leon Altoff : >> Hi Tim, >> >> I've considered this same thing, though Pentax normally do manage to >> make a nice improvement between models. Personally I've decided to >> upgrade every second major upgrade - bought a K10D, skipped the K20D, >> bought the K7, skipped the K5, buy the K3?. >> >> I'll admit I'd like the improved low light capability of the K5 over >> the K7, but as I'm expecting the K3 (for want of a better model number >> to apply) to be improved I can wait. For a while. If it's not >> improved then I will probably go out and buy a K5 simply to keep the >> control layout on the back the same between the K5 and the K7 (because >> I do use 2 bodies). >> >> I'm hanging out for some rumors of what the next model holds, but >> there is nothing. And I'm watching other's buying K5's. >> >> What should they be working on? I don't know. I would like to see >> them bring back P-TTL flash working on A lenses like the *istD had. I >> use that. >> >> Leon >> >> On 18 April 2011 02:50, Tim Bray wrote: >>> I'm awfully happy with the K-5. (I was out last night trying to take >>> flash-free pictures in the light of the full moon using my old Sigma >>> 30mm f1.4; it didn't come off for one reason or another, but I haven't >>> given up). Anyhow, it can shoot in as little light as I'll ever need, >>> and as many frames-per-second as I'll ever need, with as many pixels >>> as I'll ever need, and has a battery as big as I'll ever need, and so >>> on and so on. >>> >>> I'm thinking if I were a Pentax product manager trying to figure out >>> what to put in the K-3 or K-1... I just wouldn't know where to start. >>> >>> Smaller would be nice but you can only take that so far before the >>> K-glass gets way out of balance with the body; the K-5 looks >>> deliciously butch with the short extra-fat Sigma on. >>> >>> Once again, what should Pentax be working on? -T >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > > > > -- > Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs > -- > Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, > DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ > KX, MX, SuperA+Motor, Z1, P30 > Mamiya C330+80/2.8 > Sekonic L-208 > FalconEyes TE300D x2 Studio flashes > > Laptop: Macbook 13" Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 > > Programing: Delphi 2009 > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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AFAIK the A lenses do PTTL with K7. 2011/4/18 Leon Altoff : > Hi Tim, > > I've considered this same thing, though Pentax normally do manage to > make a nice improvement between models. Personally I've decided to > upgrade every second major upgrade - bought a K10D, skipped the K20D, > bought the K7, skipped the K5, buy the K3?. > > I'll admit I'd like the improved low light capability of the K5 over > the K7, but as I'm expecting the K3 (for want of a better model number > to apply) to be improved I can wait. For a while. If it's not > improved then I will probably go out and buy a K5 simply to keep the > control layout on the back the same between the K5 and the K7 (because > I do use 2 bodies). > > I'm hanging out for some rumors of what the next model holds, but > there is nothing. And I'm watching other's buying K5's. > > What should they be working on? I don't know. I would like to see > them bring back P-TTL flash working on A lenses like the *istD had. I > use that. > > Leon > > On 18 April 2011 02:50, Tim Bray wrote: >> I'm awfully happy with the K-5. (I was out last night trying to take >> flash-free pictures in the light of the full moon using my old Sigma >> 30mm f1.4; it didn't come off for one reason or another, but I haven't >> given up). Anyhow, it can shoot in as little light as I'll ever need, >> and as many frames-per-second as I'll ever need, with as many pixels >> as I'll ever need, and has a battery as big as I'll ever need, and so >> on and so on. >> >> I'm thinking if I were a Pentax product manager trying to figure out >> what to put in the K-3 or K-1... I just wouldn't know where to start. >> >> Smaller would be nice but you can only take that so far before the >> K-glass gets way out of balance with the body; the K-5 looks >> deliciously butch with the short extra-fat Sigma on. >> >> Once again, what should Pentax be working on? -T > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ KX, MX, SuperA+Motor, Z1, P30 Mamiya C330+80/2.8 Sekonic L-208 FalconEyes TE300D x2 Studio flashes Laptop: Macbook 13" Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Apr 18, 2011, at 7:23 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote: > On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 11:34 PM, Stan Halpin > wrote: > >> 5. Quality GPS encoding into EXIF. Software options for setting defaults to >> be used when satellite reception is insufficient for a good fix. > > If the cost of in-body GPS is close to zero, I'd like to have it built > in. But if not, I'd like commo Or smart-phone GPS. Many of us already have it in our pocket. However, I don't really need GPS for my photos. Hell, I know where I am when I take them. Paul > dity external GPS receivers to be > integrated over Bluetooth. They're cheap (<$50), standardized, and > can be used for other purposes. I hate that Nikon charges $200 for an > external GPS receiver that you can only use on a Nikon camera. > >> And where are the DA 1.4 and DA 2.0 tele-extenders?!? > > Yes. Please. > > I have the Tamron 1.4x TC with contacts that pass the SDM signal. The > DA* 300/4 is optically excellent on this teleconverter. Technically, > it autofocuses. But it oscillates around the correct focus, because I > think the camera is overestimating the required focus movement by > 1.4x. It hunts back and forth a couple of times, then I often need to > make it AF a second time to really lock it in. All I want is the same > thing, with the ability to tell the body that it's there. That should > fix the AF and also improve shake reduction. (And a note in the EXIF > would be nice.) > > (Note: Firefox's spell checker recommends "Tampon 1.4x TC." Bloody shame.) > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 11:34 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: > 5. Quality GPS encoding into EXIF. Software options for setting defaults to > be used when satellite reception is insufficient for a good fix. If the cost of in-body GPS is close to zero, I'd like to have it built in. But if not, I'd like commodity external GPS receivers to be integrated over Bluetooth. They're cheap (<$50), standardized, and can be used for other purposes. I hate that Nikon charges $200 for an external GPS receiver that you can only use on a Nikon camera. > And where are the DA 1.4 and DA 2.0 tele-extenders?!? Yes. Please. I have the Tamron 1.4x TC with contacts that pass the SDM signal. The DA* 300/4 is optically excellent on this teleconverter. Technically, it autofocuses. But it oscillates around the correct focus, because I think the camera is overestimating the required focus movement by 1.4x. It hunts back and forth a couple of times, then I often need to make it AF a second time to really lock it in. All I want is the same thing, with the ability to tell the body that it's there. That should fix the AF and also improve shake reduction. (And a note in the EXIF would be nice.) (Note: Firefox's spell checker recommends "Tampon 1.4x TC." Bloody shame.) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hi Tim, I've considered this same thing, though Pentax normally do manage to make a nice improvement between models. Personally I've decided to upgrade every second major upgrade - bought a K10D, skipped the K20D, bought the K7, skipped the K5, buy the K3?. I'll admit I'd like the improved low light capability of the K5 over the K7, but as I'm expecting the K3 (for want of a better model number to apply) to be improved I can wait. For a while. If it's not improved then I will probably go out and buy a K5 simply to keep the control layout on the back the same between the K5 and the K7 (because I do use 2 bodies). I'm hanging out for some rumors of what the next model holds, but there is nothing. And I'm watching other's buying K5's. What should they be working on? I don't know. I would like to see them bring back P-TTL flash working on A lenses like the *istD had. I use that. Leon On 18 April 2011 02:50, Tim Bray wrote: > I'm awfully happy with the K-5. (I was out last night trying to take > flash-free pictures in the light of the full moon using my old Sigma > 30mm f1.4; it didn't come off for one reason or another, but I haven't > given up). Anyhow, it can shoot in as little light as I'll ever need, > and as many frames-per-second as I'll ever need, with as many pixels > as I'll ever need, and has a battery as big as I'll ever need, and so > on and so on. > > I'm thinking if I were a Pentax product manager trying to figure out > what to put in the K-3 or K-1... I just wouldn't know where to start. > > Smaller would be nice but you can only take that so far before the > K-glass gets way out of balance with the body; the K-5 looks > deliciously butch with the short extra-fat Sigma on. > > Once again, what should Pentax be working on? -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Apr 17, 2011, at 9:39 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: > > - Original Message - From: "John Francis" >> >> Furthermore, such a camera would only cannibalise K-5 sales. There's >> not really any incentive for Pentax to destroy their own market, > > > That's true, but I really wasn't thinking about Pentax profit--just imagining > a slimmed down camera that I'd be interested in. Cheers, Christine If you want near K-5 performance for a fraction of the price, get a K-r. > -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Apr 17, 2011, at 8:34 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: > > 5. Quality GPS encoding into EXIF. Software options for setting defaults to > be used when satellite reception is insufficient for a good fix. Wifi would give you your remote ability, plus the ability to get GPS from a GPS enabled smartphone. > 6. More control over bracketing. When doing macro, for example, why can't I > bracket on depth of field (i.e., variations in f-stop) and let the camera > adjust shutter and/or ISO to maintain proper EV? (This idea stolen from my > brother. If there is already a way to do this, he and I would both love to > hear about it!) I was just bemoaning the lack of this myself and was told just to use the extended bracketing in JPEG only mode. > Another thing the camera needs is lenses to put on the camera. The Pentax > vaunted backward compatibility has allowed them to get away with ignoring > their lens development in many areas, but they need to produce some modern > lenses already! > - DA* 250-600/5.6? > - DA* 600/4.0? > - DA 800/5.6? > Yes, I know that these would be big and heavy and expensive, but the option > for a special order, at least, should be there. I'd like a DA* 30/1.4 DA* 85/1.4 DA* 100/2.0 but if they came out with those, then I'd really need to find a job. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 03:41:38PM +1000, Brian Walters wrote: > On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 23:38 -0500, "Christine Aguila" > wrote: > > No, not really interested in that. Cheers, Christine > > > > > Well, I would be. Or, at least I think I would be. > > I've only briefly played with the original EP-1 and I liked it a lot. I > might have a totally different opinion once I've looked at a mirrorless > camera seriously, though I must admit that I definitely like the convenience and portability of the E-PL1 (nominally my wife's camera ...) http://www.jfwaf.com/PAW/PAW.php?name=PAW1031 Something about that size that would take my Pentax glass (without losing any functionality) would certainly make me take a look at it. It might not make a lot of sense on the back of telephoto lenses; as another poster has mentioned, the balance of a DSLR on long glass is much improved by the addition of a battery grip. But I don't use long glass all the time, and a smaller, lighter body would be handy. I'm not too bothered about the format - either APS-C or 4/3. > > > From: "Steven Desjardins" > > > > Mirrorless with K-5 sensor? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 23:38 -0500, "Christine Aguila" wrote: > No, not really interested in that. Cheers, Christine > Well, I would be. Or, at least I think I would be. I've only briefly played with the original EP-1 and I liked it a lot. I might have a totally different opinion once I've looked at a mirrorless camera seriously, though Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ > > - Original Message - > From: "Steven Desjardins" > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 6:56 PM > Subject: Re: What next in an SLR? > > > Mirrorless with K-5 sensor? > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Christine Aguila > wrote: > > Not really sure if it would save money, but maybe it would--or not :-). > > I'd > > want the weather sealing, Steve! Cheers, Christine > > > > > > - Original Message - From: "Steven Desjardins" > > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > > Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 6:48 PM > > Subject: Re: What next in an SLR? > > > > > > Would leaving any of that out really save any money? Isn't most of > > that already on the chip or mostly firmware? Maybe a KX style plastic > > body with no weather sealing. > > > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Christine Aguila > > wrote: > >> > >> 1) Pentax still needs to improve on low-light autofocus--that's a must. > >> > >> 2) But, here's what I'd like to see: a stripped down camera. > >> K-5 high ISO quality , frames per second, bracketing feature, natural > >> shooting mode only, & AV, TV et al. modes, white balance features--then > >> add > >> improved lowlight autofocus. > >> > >> Get rid of everything else--video, creative filters, multiple exposure > >> shooting, etc. I think a stripped down camera would make a nice back-up > >> camera or primary camera for that matter. It would have the quality of > >> the > >> K5 but hopefully at a lower cost. One could use the fancy features on the > >> K5 if needed. > >> > >> Probably sounds crazy, but I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in. :-) Cheers, > >> Christine > >> > >> > >> > >> - Original Message - From: "Tim Bray" > >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > >> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 11:50 AM > >> Subject: What next in an SLR? > >> > >> > >>> I'm awfully happy with the K-5. (I was out last night trying to take > >>> flash-free pictures in the light of the full moon using my old Sigma > >>> 30mm f1.4; it didn't come off for one reason or another, but I haven't > >>> given up). Anyhow, it can shoot in as little light as I'll ever need, > >>> and as many frames-per-second as I'll ever need, with as many pixels > >>> as I'll ever need, and has a battery as big as I'll ever need, and so > >>> on and so on. > >>> > >>> I'm thinking if I were a Pentax product manager trying to figure out > >>> what to put in the K-3 or K-1... I just wouldn't know where to start. > >>> > >>> Smaller would be nice but you can only take that so far before the > >>> K-glass gets way out of balance with the body; the K-5 looks > >>> deliciously butch with the short extra-fat Sigma on. > >>> > >>> Once again, what should Pentax be working on? -T > >>> > >>> -- > >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >>> PDML@pdml.net > >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > >>> follow the directions. > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >> PDML@pdml.net > >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > >> follow the directions. > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Steve Desjardins > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > > follow the directions. > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > > follow the directions. > > > > > > -- > Steve Desjardins > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access your email from home and the web -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
- Original Message - From: "John Francis" Furthermore, such a camera would only cannibalise K-5 sales. There's not really any incentive for Pentax to destroy their own market, That's true, but I really wasn't thinking about Pentax profit--just imagining a slimmed down camera that I'd be interested in. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
No, not really interested in that. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: "Steven Desjardins" To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 6:56 PM Subject: Re: What next in an SLR? Mirrorless with K-5 sensor? On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: Not really sure if it would save money, but maybe it would--or not :-). I'd want the weather sealing, Steve! Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: "Steven Desjardins" To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 6:48 PM Subject: Re: What next in an SLR? Would leaving any of that out really save any money? Isn't most of that already on the chip or mostly firmware? Maybe a KX style plastic body with no weather sealing. On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: 1) Pentax still needs to improve on low-light autofocus--that's a must. 2) But, here's what I'd like to see: a stripped down camera. K-5 high ISO quality , frames per second, bracketing feature, natural shooting mode only, & AV, TV et al. modes, white balance features--then add improved lowlight autofocus. Get rid of everything else--video, creative filters, multiple exposure shooting, etc. I think a stripped down camera would make a nice back-up camera or primary camera for that matter. It would have the quality of the K5 but hopefully at a lower cost. One could use the fancy features on the K5 if needed. Probably sounds crazy, but I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in. :-) Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: "Tim Bray" To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 11:50 AM Subject: What next in an SLR? I'm awfully happy with the K-5. (I was out last night trying to take flash-free pictures in the light of the full moon using my old Sigma 30mm f1.4; it didn't come off for one reason or another, but I haven't given up). Anyhow, it can shoot in as little light as I'll ever need, and as many frames-per-second as I'll ever need, with as many pixels as I'll ever need, and has a battery as big as I'll ever need, and so on and so on. I'm thinking if I were a Pentax product manager trying to figure out what to put in the K-3 or K-1... I just wouldn't know where to start. Smaller would be nice but you can only take that so far before the K-glass gets way out of balance with the body; the K-5 looks deliciously butch with the short extra-fat Sigma on. Once again, what should Pentax be working on? -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
Stan, Amen to the longer lenses and the tele converters. We need more of these. Regards, Bob S. On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 10:34 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: > > On Apr 17, 2011, at 12:50 PM, Tim Bray wrote: >> >> Smaller would be nice but you can only take that so far before the >> K-glass gets way out of balance with the body; the K-5 looks >> deliciously butch with the short extra-fat Sigma on. >> >> Once again, what should Pentax be working on? -T > > 1. I don't want smaller. It is hard to manage a large heavy lens on a tiny > camera body. I've tried it with my EP-L2. I don't have the K-5 yet but have > played with one a bit, and quickly realized that I would not be able to use > it comfortably, even with something like the 21mm, without adding the battery > grip. With my K-20 I can go either way, and tend to use the grip mostly with > larger lenses. > 2. Auto-focus will never be fast enough or precise enough, but that doesn't > mean that continued work should not go into that aspect of the system. > 3. Why should I have to manually adjust each lens to the camera to achieve > proper focus? Give me a firmware fix that evaluates the lens and develops a > unique solution for that lens. Allow me to edit it, just in case. > 4. I don't want a tethered camera. I want a camera with a high speed > Bluetooth type of transmitter/receiver that allows me to remotely control the > camera, and do on-the-fly auto downloads of images, without plugging in a > tether. Give me a transponder in a separate box to boost speed and distance > if need be, but no tethers! > 5. Quality GPS encoding into EXIF. Software options for setting defaults to > be used when satellite reception is insufficient for a good fix. > 6. More control over bracketing. When doing macro, for example, why can't I > bracket on depth of field (i.e., variations in f-stop) and let the camera > adjust shutter and/or ISO to maintain proper EV? (This idea stolen from my > brother. If there is already a way to do this, he and I would both love to > hear about it!) > 7. I would like to be able to chose whether the camera defaults to HSM vs. > screw-drive AF for any given lens. And to change that on the fly. (So that I > could use an HSM lens on an auto-focus-capable tele-extender.) > > Another thing the camera needs is lenses to put on the camera. The Pentax > vaunted backward compatibility has allowed them to get away with ignoring > their lens development in many areas, but they need to produce some modern > lenses already! > - DA* 250-600/5.6? > - DA* 600/4.0? > - DA 800/5.6? > Yes, I know that these would be big and heavy and expensive, but the option > for a special order, at least, should be there. > > And where are the DA 1.4 and DA 2.0 tele-extenders?!? > > stan > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
On Apr 17, 2011, at 12:50 PM, Tim Bray wrote: > > Smaller would be nice but you can only take that so far before the > K-glass gets way out of balance with the body; the K-5 looks > deliciously butch with the short extra-fat Sigma on. > > Once again, what should Pentax be working on? -T 1. I don't want smaller. It is hard to manage a large heavy lens on a tiny camera body. I've tried it with my EP-L2. I don't have the K-5 yet but have played with one a bit, and quickly realized that I would not be able to use it comfortably, even with something like the 21mm, without adding the battery grip. With my K-20 I can go either way, and tend to use the grip mostly with larger lenses. 2. Auto-focus will never be fast enough or precise enough, but that doesn't mean that continued work should not go into that aspect of the system. 3. Why should I have to manually adjust each lens to the camera to achieve proper focus? Give me a firmware fix that evaluates the lens and develops a unique solution for that lens. Allow me to edit it, just in case. 4. I don't want a tethered camera. I want a camera with a high speed Bluetooth type of transmitter/receiver that allows me to remotely control the camera, and do on-the-fly auto downloads of images, without plugging in a tether. Give me a transponder in a separate box to boost speed and distance if need be, but no tethers! 5. Quality GPS encoding into EXIF. Software options for setting defaults to be used when satellite reception is insufficient for a good fix. 6. More control over bracketing. When doing macro, for example, why can't I bracket on depth of field (i.e., variations in f-stop) and let the camera adjust shutter and/or ISO to maintain proper EV? (This idea stolen from my brother. If there is already a way to do this, he and I would both love to hear about it!) 7. I would like to be able to chose whether the camera defaults to HSM vs. screw-drive AF for any given lens. And to change that on the fly. (So that I could use an HSM lens on an auto-focus-capable tele-extender.) Another thing the camera needs is lenses to put on the camera. The Pentax vaunted backward compatibility has allowed them to get away with ignoring their lens development in many areas, but they need to produce some modern lenses already! - DA* 250-600/5.6? - DA* 600/4.0? - DA 800/5.6? Yes, I know that these would be big and heavy and expensive, but the option for a special order, at least, should be there. And where are the DA 1.4 and DA 2.0 tele-extenders?!? stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
On 17/04/2011 2:59 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: I'd like the tethering solution as well. It's been proven that the hardware is already capable. PK Tether does work. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
I'm not surprised that's it's not popular on the PDML. But they do sell and Pentax could find that market profitable. On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 8:14 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > > On Apr 17, 2011, at 7:56 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: > >> Mirrorless with K-5 sensor? > > I'll pass on that. > >> >> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Christine Aguila >> wrote: >>> Not really sure if it would save money, but maybe it would--or not :-). I'd >>> want the weather sealing, Steve! Cheers, Christine >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - From: "Steven Desjardins" >>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" >>> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 6:48 PM >>> Subject: Re: What next in an SLR? >>> >>> >>> Would leaving any of that out really save any money? Isn't most of >>> that already on the chip or mostly firmware? Maybe a KX style plastic >>> body with no weather sealing. >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Christine Aguila >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> 1) Pentax still needs to improve on low-light autofocus--that's a must. >>>> >>>> 2) But, here's what I'd like to see: a stripped down camera. >>>> K-5 high ISO quality , frames per second, bracketing feature, natural >>>> shooting mode only, & AV, TV et al. modes, white balance features--then >>>> add >>>> improved lowlight autofocus. >>>> >>>> Get rid of everything else--video, creative filters, multiple exposure >>>> shooting, etc. I think a stripped down camera would make a nice back-up >>>> camera or primary camera for that matter. It would have the quality of the >>>> K5 but hopefully at a lower cost. One could use the fancy features on the >>>> K5 if needed. >>>> >>>> Probably sounds crazy, but I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in. :-) Cheers, >>>> Christine >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - Original Message - From: "Tim Bray" >>>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" >>>> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 11:50 AM >>>> Subject: What next in an SLR? >>>> >>>> >>>>> I'm awfully happy with the K-5. (I was out last night trying to take >>>>> flash-free pictures in the light of the full moon using my old Sigma >>>>> 30mm f1.4; it didn't come off for one reason or another, but I haven't >>>>> given up). Anyhow, it can shoot in as little light as I'll ever need, >>>>> and as many frames-per-second as I'll ever need, with as many pixels >>>>> as I'll ever need, and has a battery as big as I'll ever need, and so >>>>> on and so on. >>>>> >>>>> I'm thinking if I were a Pentax product manager trying to figure out >>>>> what to put in the K-3 or K-1... I just wouldn't know where to start. >>>>> >>>>> Smaller would be nice but you can only take that so far before the >>>>> K-glass gets way out of balance with the body; the K-5 looks >>>>> deliciously butch with the short extra-fat Sigma on. >>>>> >>>>> Once again, what should Pentax be working on? -T >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>>>> follow the directions. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>>> follow the directions. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Steve Desjardins >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Steve Desjardins >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
On Apr 17, 2011, at 7:56 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: > Mirrorless with K-5 sensor? I'll pass on that. > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Christine Aguila > wrote: >> Not really sure if it would save money, but maybe it would--or not :-). I'd >> want the weather sealing, Steve! Cheers, Christine >> >> >> - Original Message - From: "Steven Desjardins" >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" >> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 6:48 PM >> Subject: Re: What next in an SLR? >> >> >> Would leaving any of that out really save any money? Isn't most of >> that already on the chip or mostly firmware? Maybe a KX style plastic >> body with no weather sealing. >> >> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Christine Aguila >> wrote: >>> >>> 1) Pentax still needs to improve on low-light autofocus--that's a must. >>> >>> 2) But, here's what I'd like to see: a stripped down camera. >>> K-5 high ISO quality , frames per second, bracketing feature, natural >>> shooting mode only, & AV, TV et al. modes, white balance features--then >>> add >>> improved lowlight autofocus. >>> >>> Get rid of everything else--video, creative filters, multiple exposure >>> shooting, etc. I think a stripped down camera would make a nice back-up >>> camera or primary camera for that matter. It would have the quality of the >>> K5 but hopefully at a lower cost. One could use the fancy features on the >>> K5 if needed. >>> >>> Probably sounds crazy, but I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in. :-) Cheers, >>> Christine >>> >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - From: "Tim Bray" >>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" >>> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 11:50 AM >>> Subject: What next in an SLR? >>> >>> >>>> I'm awfully happy with the K-5. (I was out last night trying to take >>>> flash-free pictures in the light of the full moon using my old Sigma >>>> 30mm f1.4; it didn't come off for one reason or another, but I haven't >>>> given up). Anyhow, it can shoot in as little light as I'll ever need, >>>> and as many frames-per-second as I'll ever need, with as many pixels >>>> as I'll ever need, and has a battery as big as I'll ever need, and so >>>> on and so on. >>>> >>>> I'm thinking if I were a Pentax product manager trying to figure out >>>> what to put in the K-3 or K-1... I just wouldn't know where to start. >>>> >>>> Smaller would be nice but you can only take that so far before the >>>> K-glass gets way out of balance with the body; the K-5 looks >>>> deliciously butch with the short extra-fat Sigma on. >>>> >>>> Once again, what should Pentax be working on? -T >>>> >>>> -- >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>>> follow the directions. >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Steve Desjardins >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > > > > -- > Steve Desjardins > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 06:20:05PM -0500, Christine Aguila wrote: > 1) Pentax still needs to improve on low-light autofocus--that's a must. > > 2) But, here's what I'd like to see: a stripped down camera. > K-5 high ISO quality , frames per second, bracketing feature, > natural shooting mode only, & AV, TV et al. modes, white balance > features--then add improved lowlight autofocus. > > Get rid of everything else--video, creative filters, multiple > exposure shooting, etc. I think a stripped down camera would make > a nice back-up camera or primary camera for that matter. It would > have the quality of the K5 but hopefully at a lower cost. Not an economically feasible solution. You wouldn't be able to sell enough of them to make the cost appreciably lower than the cost of the same camera with those features enabled - just about everything you mention is a "software only" feature, and doesn't affect the unit cost of manufacturing. About the only hardware difference would be if there were variations in the FPS rate, and my guess is that the cost of providing two complete sets of electronics (with different bus & CPU speeds) would far outweigh any potential savings. Furthermore, such a camera would only cannibalise K-5 sales. There's not really any incentive for Pentax to destroy their own market, -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
Mirrorless with K-5 sensor? On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: > Not really sure if it would save money, but maybe it would--or not :-). I'd > want the weather sealing, Steve! Cheers, Christine > > > - Original Message - From: "Steven Desjardins" > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 6:48 PM > Subject: Re: What next in an SLR? > > > Would leaving any of that out really save any money? Isn't most of > that already on the chip or mostly firmware? Maybe a KX style plastic > body with no weather sealing. > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Christine Aguila > wrote: >> >> 1) Pentax still needs to improve on low-light autofocus--that's a must. >> >> 2) But, here's what I'd like to see: a stripped down camera. >> K-5 high ISO quality , frames per second, bracketing feature, natural >> shooting mode only, & AV, TV et al. modes, white balance features--then >> add >> improved lowlight autofocus. >> >> Get rid of everything else--video, creative filters, multiple exposure >> shooting, etc. I think a stripped down camera would make a nice back-up >> camera or primary camera for that matter. It would have the quality of the >> K5 but hopefully at a lower cost. One could use the fancy features on the >> K5 if needed. >> >> Probably sounds crazy, but I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in. :-) Cheers, >> Christine >> >> >> >> - Original Message - From: "Tim Bray" >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" >> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 11:50 AM >> Subject: What next in an SLR? >> >> >>> I'm awfully happy with the K-5. (I was out last night trying to take >>> flash-free pictures in the light of the full moon using my old Sigma >>> 30mm f1.4; it didn't come off for one reason or another, but I haven't >>> given up). Anyhow, it can shoot in as little light as I'll ever need, >>> and as many frames-per-second as I'll ever need, with as many pixels >>> as I'll ever need, and has a battery as big as I'll ever need, and so >>> on and so on. >>> >>> I'm thinking if I were a Pentax product manager trying to figure out >>> what to put in the K-3 or K-1... I just wouldn't know where to start. >>> >>> Smaller would be nice but you can only take that so far before the >>> K-glass gets way out of balance with the body; the K-5 looks >>> deliciously butch with the short extra-fat Sigma on. >>> >>> Once again, what should Pentax be working on? -T >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >>> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > > > > -- > Steve Desjardins > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
Not really sure if it would save money, but maybe it would--or not :-). I'd want the weather sealing, Steve! Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: "Steven Desjardins" To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 6:48 PM Subject: Re: What next in an SLR? Would leaving any of that out really save any money? Isn't most of that already on the chip or mostly firmware? Maybe a KX style plastic body with no weather sealing. On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: 1) Pentax still needs to improve on low-light autofocus--that's a must. 2) But, here's what I'd like to see: a stripped down camera. K-5 high ISO quality , frames per second, bracketing feature, natural shooting mode only, & AV, TV et al. modes, white balance features--then add improved lowlight autofocus. Get rid of everything else--video, creative filters, multiple exposure shooting, etc. I think a stripped down camera would make a nice back-up camera or primary camera for that matter. It would have the quality of the K5 but hopefully at a lower cost. One could use the fancy features on the K5 if needed. Probably sounds crazy, but I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in. :-) Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: "Tim Bray" To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 11:50 AM Subject: What next in an SLR? I'm awfully happy with the K-5. (I was out last night trying to take flash-free pictures in the light of the full moon using my old Sigma 30mm f1.4; it didn't come off for one reason or another, but I haven't given up). Anyhow, it can shoot in as little light as I'll ever need, and as many frames-per-second as I'll ever need, with as many pixels as I'll ever need, and has a battery as big as I'll ever need, and so on and so on. I'm thinking if I were a Pentax product manager trying to figure out what to put in the K-3 or K-1... I just wouldn't know where to start. Smaller would be nice but you can only take that so far before the K-glass gets way out of balance with the body; the K-5 looks deliciously butch with the short extra-fat Sigma on. Once again, what should Pentax be working on? -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Would leaving any of that out really save any money? Isn't most of that already on the chip or mostly firmware? Maybe a KX style plastic body with no weather sealing. On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: > 1) Pentax still needs to improve on low-light autofocus--that's a must. > > 2) But, here's what I'd like to see: a stripped down camera. > K-5 high ISO quality , frames per second, bracketing feature, natural > shooting mode only, & AV, TV et al. modes, white balance features--then add > improved lowlight autofocus. > > Get rid of everything else--video, creative filters, multiple exposure > shooting, etc. I think a stripped down camera would make a nice back-up > camera or primary camera for that matter. It would have the quality of the > K5 but hopefully at a lower cost. One could use the fancy features on the > K5 if needed. > > Probably sounds crazy, but I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in. :-) Cheers, > Christine > > > > - Original Message - From: "Tim Bray" > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 11:50 AM > Subject: What next in an SLR? > > >> I'm awfully happy with the K-5. (I was out last night trying to take >> flash-free pictures in the light of the full moon using my old Sigma >> 30mm f1.4; it didn't come off for one reason or another, but I haven't >> given up). Anyhow, it can shoot in as little light as I'll ever need, >> and as many frames-per-second as I'll ever need, with as many pixels >> as I'll ever need, and has a battery as big as I'll ever need, and so >> on and so on. >> >> I'm thinking if I were a Pentax product manager trying to figure out >> what to put in the K-3 or K-1... I just wouldn't know where to start. >> >> Smaller would be nice but you can only take that so far before the >> K-glass gets way out of balance with the body; the K-5 looks >> deliciously butch with the short extra-fat Sigma on. >> >> Once again, what should Pentax be working on? -T >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
1) Pentax still needs to improve on low-light autofocus--that's a must. 2) But, here's what I'd like to see: a stripped down camera. K-5 high ISO quality , frames per second, bracketing feature, natural shooting mode only, & AV, TV et al. modes, white balance features--then add improved lowlight autofocus. Get rid of everything else--video, creative filters, multiple exposure shooting, etc. I think a stripped down camera would make a nice back-up camera or primary camera for that matter. It would have the quality of the K5 but hopefully at a lower cost. One could use the fancy features on the K5 if needed. Probably sounds crazy, but I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in. :-) Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: "Tim Bray" To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 11:50 AM Subject: What next in an SLR? I'm awfully happy with the K-5. (I was out last night trying to take flash-free pictures in the light of the full moon using my old Sigma 30mm f1.4; it didn't come off for one reason or another, but I haven't given up). Anyhow, it can shoot in as little light as I'll ever need, and as many frames-per-second as I'll ever need, with as many pixels as I'll ever need, and has a battery as big as I'll ever need, and so on and so on. I'm thinking if I were a Pentax product manager trying to figure out what to put in the K-3 or K-1... I just wouldn't know where to start. Smaller would be nice but you can only take that so far before the K-glass gets way out of balance with the body; the K-5 looks deliciously butch with the short extra-fat Sigma on. Once again, what should Pentax be working on? -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "mike wilson" Subject: Re: What next in an SLR? On 17/04/2011 19:19, William Robb wrote: On 17/04/2011 10:50 AM, Tim Bray wrote: Once again, what should Pentax be working on? -T Quality control and making all this cool technology work properly. Especially when coupled to older technology. Can I say aperture simulator on a Sunday evening? Absolutely not! We all know that's a Monday morning topic. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Tim Bray" Subject: What next in an SLR? I'm awfully happy with the K-5. (I was out last night trying to take flash-free pictures in the light of the full moon using my old Sigma 30mm f1.4; it didn't come off for one reason or another, but I haven't given up). Anyhow, it can shoot in as little light as I'll ever need, and as many frames-per-second as I'll ever need, with as many pixels as I'll ever need, and has a battery as big as I'll ever need, and so on and so on. I'm thinking if I were a Pentax product manager trying to figure out what to put in the K-3 or K-1... I just wouldn't know where to start. Smaller would be nice but you can only take that so far before the K-glass gets way out of balance with the body; the K-5 looks deliciously butch with the short extra-fat Sigma on. Once again, what should Pentax be working on? -T Apparently better quality. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
I'd like the tethering solution as well. I'm sure it's on the way. Pentax autofocus could still be improved, although the k-5 autofocus is much better than that of previous models. I don't care about extraneous crap like GPS or even video. Although if we are going to have video, I'd like it to include an autofocus function. Don't want a live view camera. After more than 40 years of SLRs, a new way of shooting isn't something I'd ever consider. Plus, I prefer having a diopter adjustment to having to wear glasses when shooting. Paul On Apr 17, 2011, at 4:25 PM, David Parsons wrote: > I'd be happy with a fully realized tethering solution. > > I'd still want the eyepiece viewfinder, but have an option to have a > fully remote control device/app that I could control all aspects of > the camera from and trigger from. > > Also, open up the firmware and release it into the wild. Let your > users hack the firmware and extend it with the remote control/app. > It'd bring a certain demographic to the brand that would buy it if for > no other reason than to tinker with it. > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 2:35 PM, steve harley wrote: >> On 2011-04-17 10:50 , Tim Bray wrote: >>> >>> Once again, what should Pentax be working on? -T >> >> there are certain integrations that are klunky for me ... >> >> built-in GPS would solve one: this is existing technology; for me it would >> obviate some of my tagging issues >> >> a truly next generation EVF would be another -- perhaps a hybrid like the >> Fuji X-100, but the expectation is that one would get a bright, big, 100% >> view of the scene, augmented in various ways, including amplification in dim >> light, pre-visualization of focus bracketing ... >> >> another possibility for EVF is physically separating the viewfinder from the >> camera; ctein on TOP has talked about a digital view camera with something >> like an iPad replacing the ground glass; i also think a Borg-like >> eye-mounted viewfinder wirelessly coupled to a the sensor/lens/processor >> unit would be really handy for some types of work >> >> i'd also like a faster storage medium; i guess that's being worked on, and >> is mainly a matter of momentum in the industry >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > > > > -- > David Parsons Photography > http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com > > Aloha Photographer Photoblog > http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
On Apr 17, 2011, at 12:43 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > > On Apr 17, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > >> >> On Apr 17, 2011, at 9:50 AM, Tim Bray wrote: >> >>> I'm awfully happy with the K-5. (I was out last night trying to take >>> flash-free pictures in the light of the full moon using my old Sigma >>> 30mm f1.4; it didn't come off for one reason or another, but I haven't >>> given up). Anyhow, it can shoot in as little light as I'll ever need, >>> and as many frames-per-second as I'll ever need, with as many pixels >>> as I'll ever need, and has a battery as big as I'll ever need, and so >>> on and so on. >> >> I can nearly shoot in as little light as I'll need, but it would be nice to >> do so at higher shutter speed, with slower glass and less light. >> When you can shoot without a tripod by moonlight, with a kit lens, and the >> noise looks like base ISO, then we can discuss not needing more sensitivity. >> There is also always dynamic range. I was pushing the K-5s dynamic range >> last night, metering for stage lights, letting the exposure on the musician >> fall where it will, and was able to bring things back in post processing. It >> is, however, a bit noisier than I'd like. > > Generally, you're better off metering for the shadows with digital. And > exposure push in conversion is going to add noise. You are correct. If you don't mind blowing out the highlights, you are generally best off metering for the shadows. This was a particular case of wanting to get a photograph of a musician, with the colored lights in the background showing as colors, not a spot of white possibly surrounded by some seriously posterized color. The fact that I was able to pull it off at all was a testament to the profound abilities of the K-5, and I pretty much just tried it to see if I could do it, in case I ever need to. In not too many years, I expect that even point and shoots will have something like 16 stops of dynamic range in their sensors, and HDR like conversion software to adjust everything so that the final picture looks like what we see with the human eye. If I had been willing to grab my flash and snoots from the car, and deal with shooting flash, I could have filled from the front with flash. For that matter, I probably should have just tried exposing for the stage lights and using the pop-up flash. The band is one that I've seen many times, they play at dance events several times a year. They had a percussionist playing with them, who I had never seen with them before, and at the band break he was hanging out in the courtyard of Moe's, so I went over to ask if he was new with the band, or just sitting in for the night. When he saw me he commented that he also shoots Pentax, and uses a lot of manual focus lenses. Like me, he has also had a K100, K20 and has a K-5, though he never had a K-x, didn't like the lack of focus points. Like me, he was very fond of his K100Ds. I don't know whether it's a "first camera" thing, or that the K100 was just a really nice design. I like the feel of it a lot better than the K-x, and even the K-r doesn't have the wired shutter input, which is necessary for using it with things like a bushhawk or radio triggers. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 17/04/2011 20:46, AlunFoto wrote: 2011/4/17 mike wilson: Especially when coupled to older technology. Can I say aperture simulator on a Sunday evening? On this Sunday evening, I would say that to get that working you have to invent an aperture copulator. Or something. I think the aperture simulator idea is already copulated. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2011/4/17 David Parsons : > I'd be happy with a fully realized tethering solution. It may be coming in a firmware upgrade for K-5 and 645D. You didn't hear that from me, because I never spread unsubstantiated rumors. :-) Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'd be happy with a fully realized tethering solution. I'd still want the eyepiece viewfinder, but have an option to have a fully remote control device/app that I could control all aspects of the camera from and trigger from. Also, open up the firmware and release it into the wild. Let your users hack the firmware and extend it with the remote control/app. It'd bring a certain demographic to the brand that would buy it if for no other reason than to tinker with it. On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 2:35 PM, steve harley wrote: > On 2011-04-17 10:50 , Tim Bray wrote: >> >> Once again, what should Pentax be working on? -T > > there are certain integrations that are klunky for me ... > > built-in GPS would solve one: this is existing technology; for me it would > obviate some of my tagging issues > > a truly next generation EVF would be another -- perhaps a hybrid like the > Fuji X-100, but the expectation is that one would get a bright, big, 100% > view of the scene, augmented in various ways, including amplification in dim > light, pre-visualization of focus bracketing ... > > another possibility for EVF is physically separating the viewfinder from the > camera; ctein on TOP has talked about a digital view camera with something > like an iPad replacing the ground glass; i also think a Borg-like > eye-mounted viewfinder wirelessly coupled to a the sensor/lens/processor > unit would be really handy for some types of work > > i'd also like a faster storage medium; i guess that's being worked on, and > is mainly a matter of momentum in the industry > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
On Apr 17, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > On Apr 17, 2011, at 9:50 AM, Tim Bray wrote: > >> I'm awfully happy with the K-5. (I was out last night trying to take >> flash-free pictures in the light of the full moon using my old Sigma >> 30mm f1.4; it didn't come off for one reason or another, but I haven't >> given up). Anyhow, it can shoot in as little light as I'll ever need, >> and as many frames-per-second as I'll ever need, with as many pixels >> as I'll ever need, and has a battery as big as I'll ever need, and so >> on and so on. > > I can nearly shoot in as little light as I'll need, but it would be nice to > do so at higher shutter speed, with slower glass and less light. > When you can shoot without a tripod by moonlight, with a kit lens, and the > noise looks like base ISO, then we can discuss not needing more sensitivity. > There is also always dynamic range. I was pushing the K-5s dynamic range > last night, metering for stage lights, letting the exposure on the musician > fall where it will, and was able to bring things back in post processing. It > is, however, a bit noisier than I'd like. Generally, you're better off metering for the shadows with digital. And exposure push in conversion is going to add noise. > > >> >> I'm thinking if I were a Pentax product manager trying to figure out >> what to put in the K-3 or K-1... I just wouldn't know where to start. > > They're going to go to an APS mirrorless. Most of the people on this list > don't care about live view, but it's what the majority of the population > want, and are used to. In the mean time they can put a swing out display on > the entry level bodies. > > Going mirrorless, with the ability to use legacy glass with an adapter means > that they'll be able to get around the registration distance issues. That > means that you can get fast glass that is shorter than 30mm. >> >> Smaller would be nice but you can only take that so far before the >> K-glass gets way out of balance with the body; the K-5 looks >> deliciously butch with the short extra-fat Sigma on. > > Look at the NEX. Or for that matter the X100. You can get a lot smaller, and > people will love it. > >> >> Once again, what should Pentax be working on? -T > > External flashes that don't suck. It's possible that not all AF540s suck as > badly as mine. The last time I was flailing with using it wireless mode, John > handed me his, and I didn't get any misfires. > > First of all, cost. How about a ruggedized camera with DSLR performance. One > that'll not only handle an occasional splash, but maybe a full on dunking to > at least a few feet. How about one that'll survive a drop of four feet onto > pavement? One problem with DSLRs rather than film, is that you can't easily > use those nice protective cases that all of the cameras used to have. > > Speaking of live view, the entry level cameras could easily get swivelable > displays. > > Live view on my K-5 is nearly useable in many conditions, but shutter lag is > terrible. I actually find that in low light liveview can be tremendously > helpful for manually focusing. Autofocus in liveview is a bit painful > though.I'm not sure I want the zoom to be the whole screen, if they > zoomed for focus, but left the outside quarter of the screen unzoomed, then > I'd be able to focus and compose in live view all of the time. > > How about a touch screen on the display for working with menus, or editing > for those that do so in body? > > A chimp button that I can reach with my right hand. > > The raw button being able to not only go into bracket mode, but bring the > camera out of bracket mode. > > Why not a choice of colors in the high level bodies? > > Wifi in the body would open up a world of possibilities. Not only would it > be very handy for studio shooting, but you'd be able to access GPS data from > your smart phone when out in the field. You'd also be able to use your > smartphone, or notepad as an external monitor. That would solve the rotating > display problem when you need to shoot with your camera at the top of a > monopod held over your head. For that matter wifi would enable external > wireless control that would be amazingly handy, especially if they had wifi > communication with external strobes. > > There are features I want that'll never see the light of day: > > A histogram on the raw values rather than JPEGs. > > An open API so that anyone can add features and functionality, like you can > with an iPhone, iPad or Android. > > Design an open standard for data cards that are the size of SD cards and a > much higher data rate. > > Full manual control of the pop-up flash. No preflash, able to set the power > in 1/3 ev increments. > > A DSLR body that is targeted on eradicating Cotty's hat. > > > > -- > Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net >
Re: What next in an SLR?
2011/4/17 mike wilson : > Especially when coupled to older technology. Can I say aperture simulator > on a Sunday evening? On this Sunday evening, I would say that to get that working you have to invent an aperture copulator. Or something. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
On 2011-04-17 10:50 , Tim Bray wrote: Once again, what should Pentax be working on? -T there are certain integrations that are klunky for me ... built-in GPS would solve one: this is existing technology; for me it would obviate some of my tagging issues a truly next generation EVF would be another -- perhaps a hybrid like the Fuji X-100, but the expectation is that one would get a bright, big, 100% view of the scene, augmented in various ways, including amplification in dim light, pre-visualization of focus bracketing ... another possibility for EVF is physically separating the viewfinder from the camera; ctein on TOP has talked about a digital view camera with something like an iPad replacing the ground glass; i also think a Borg-like eye-mounted viewfinder wirelessly coupled to a the sensor/lens/processor unit would be really handy for some types of work i'd also like a faster storage medium; i guess that's being worked on, and is mainly a matter of momentum in the industry -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
On Apr 17, 2011, at 9:50 AM, Tim Bray wrote: > I'm awfully happy with the K-5. (I was out last night trying to take > flash-free pictures in the light of the full moon using my old Sigma > 30mm f1.4; it didn't come off for one reason or another, but I haven't > given up). Anyhow, it can shoot in as little light as I'll ever need, > and as many frames-per-second as I'll ever need, with as many pixels > as I'll ever need, and has a battery as big as I'll ever need, and so > on and so on. I can nearly shoot in as little light as I'll need, but it would be nice to do so at higher shutter speed, with slower glass and less light. When you can shoot without a tripod by moonlight, with a kit lens, and the noise looks like base ISO, then we can discuss not needing more sensitivity. There is also always dynamic range. I was pushing the K-5s dynamic range last night, metering for stage lights, letting the exposure on the musician fall where it will, and was able to bring things back in post processing. It is, however, a bit noisier than I'd like. > > I'm thinking if I were a Pentax product manager trying to figure out > what to put in the K-3 or K-1... I just wouldn't know where to start. They're going to go to an APS mirrorless. Most of the people on this list don't care about live view, but it's what the majority of the population want, and are used to. In the mean time they can put a swing out display on the entry level bodies. Going mirrorless, with the ability to use legacy glass with an adapter means that they'll be able to get around the registration distance issues. That means that you can get fast glass that is shorter than 30mm. > > Smaller would be nice but you can only take that so far before the > K-glass gets way out of balance with the body; the K-5 looks > deliciously butch with the short extra-fat Sigma on. Look at the NEX. Or for that matter the X100. You can get a lot smaller, and people will love it. > > Once again, what should Pentax be working on? -T External flashes that don't suck. It's possible that not all AF540s suck as badly as mine. The last time I was flailing with using it wireless mode, John handed me his, and I didn't get any misfires. First of all, cost. How about a ruggedized camera with DSLR performance. One that'll not only handle an occasional splash, but maybe a full on dunking to at least a few feet. How about one that'll survive a drop of four feet onto pavement? One problem with DSLRs rather than film, is that you can't easily use those nice protective cases that all of the cameras used to have. Speaking of live view, the entry level cameras could easily get swivelable displays. Live view on my K-5 is nearly useable in many conditions, but shutter lag is terrible. I actually find that in low light liveview can be tremendously helpful for manually focusing. Autofocus in liveview is a bit painful though. I'm not sure I want the zoom to be the whole screen, if they zoomed for focus, but left the outside quarter of the screen unzoomed, then I'd be able to focus and compose in live view all of the time. How about a touch screen on the display for working with menus, or editing for those that do so in body? A chimp button that I can reach with my right hand. The raw button being able to not only go into bracket mode, but bring the camera out of bracket mode. Why not a choice of colors in the high level bodies? Wifi in the body would open up a world of possibilities. Not only would it be very handy for studio shooting, but you'd be able to access GPS data from your smart phone when out in the field. You'd also be able to use your smartphone, or notepad as an external monitor. That would solve the rotating display problem when you need to shoot with your camera at the top of a monopod held over your head. For that matter wifi would enable external wireless control that would be amazingly handy, especially if they had wifi communication with external strobes. There are features I want that'll never see the light of day: A histogram on the raw values rather than JPEGs. An open API so that anyone can add features and functionality, like you can with an iPhone, iPad or Android. Design an open standard for data cards that are the size of SD cards and a much higher data rate. Full manual control of the pop-up flash. No preflash, able to set the power in 1/3 ev increments. A DSLR body that is targeted on eradicating Cotty's hat. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
On 17/04/2011 19:19, William Robb wrote: On 17/04/2011 10:50 AM, Tim Bray wrote: Once again, what should Pentax be working on? -T Quality control and making all this cool technology work properly. Especially when coupled to older technology. Can I say aperture simulator on a Sunday evening? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
On 17/04/2011 10:50 AM, Tim Bray wrote: Once again, what should Pentax be working on? -T Quality control and making all this cool technology work properly. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
A less fiddly memry card slot? Jack --- On Sun, 4/17/11, Tim Bray wrote: > From: Tim Bray > Subject: What next in an SLR? > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Date: Sunday, April 17, 2011, 9:50 AM > I'm awfully happy with the K-5. > (I was out last night trying to take > flash-free pictures in the light of the full moon using my > old Sigma > 30mm f1.4; it didn't come off for one reason or another, > but I haven't > given up). Anyhow, it can shoot in as little light as > I'll ever need, > and as many frames-per-second as I'll ever need, with as > many pixels > as I'll ever need, and has a battery as big as I'll ever > need, and so > on and so on. > > I'm thinking if I were a Pentax product manager trying to > figure out > what to put in the K-3 or K-1... I just wouldn't know where > to start. > > Smaller would be nice but you can only take that so far > before the > K-glass gets way out of balance with the body; the K-5 > looks > deliciously butch with the short extra-fat Sigma on. > > Once again, what should Pentax be working on? -T > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What next in an SLR?
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Tim Bray wrote: > Once again, what should Pentax be working on? -T Without benefit of having one (yet), I suspect there's still room for improvement in AF tracking of moving subjects. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
What next in an SLR?
I'm awfully happy with the K-5. (I was out last night trying to take flash-free pictures in the light of the full moon using my old Sigma 30mm f1.4; it didn't come off for one reason or another, but I haven't given up). Anyhow, it can shoot in as little light as I'll ever need, and as many frames-per-second as I'll ever need, with as many pixels as I'll ever need, and has a battery as big as I'll ever need, and so on and so on. I'm thinking if I were a Pentax product manager trying to figure out what to put in the K-3 or K-1... I just wouldn't know where to start. Smaller would be nice but you can only take that so far before the K-glass gets way out of balance with the body; the K-5 looks deliciously butch with the short extra-fat Sigma on. Once again, what should Pentax be working on? -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
