Re: [neonixie-l] circuit board creation.....

2018-05-07 Thread JohnK
Consider asking on http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Oz-Wireless John K - Original Message - From: 'orange_glow_fan' via neonixie-l To: neonixie-l Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 9:57 PM Subject: [neonixie-l] circuit board creation. Hi Guys, First off let me say that I know

Re: [neonixie-l] NL-50944 Infos?

2018-05-18 Thread JohnK
Great value in that reminder Gaston; well done. Another regulator arrangement that needs great care is this. I have seen instances where the shunt regulator is designed to deal with the expected change in current in the load. For instance the load might always draw at least 70mA and never more th

RE: [neonixie-l] Re: How dangerous is 150V - 170V DC?

2019-03-09 Thread johnk
I was involved in the testing of Residual Current Detector designs in the ‘90s. I know that you are discussing the DC at present but you guys also play with AC. When it comes to a shock the path of the current is very important. Research the topic a bit. AC and DC. It is surprisingly complex.

RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Q: Active full-wave rectifiers

2019-03-25 Thread johnk
And I’d ask about mains stability. Was half-wave ruled out? John K From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com [mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of petehand Sent: Monday, 25 March 2019 18:43 To: neonixie-l Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: Q: Active full-wave rectifiers I would use four

RE: [neonixie-l] OT: audio levels

2019-03-28 Thread johnk
Hey Jens... 1). Don't call it VU unless you match the actual ballistics of the ORIGINAL VU meter 2). Europe tends to use a PPM [quasi-peak] system. Peak Program Meter. 3). Consumer and pro levels are very different. They are often misunderstood and hence mounds of garbage appear on the web.

RE: [neonixie-l] OT: audio levels

2019-03-28 Thread johnk
garithmic output that are quite handy for building a simple (not professional) VU meter. Lots of things to read for me! Best wishes Jens On 2019-03-28 8:10 a.m., johnk wrote: > Hey Jens... > > 1). Don't call it VU unless you match the actual ballistics of the > ORIGINAL VU met

RE: [neonixie-l] Another Tube Hobby Failure

2019-04-06 Thread johnk
Michael, I have to comment on the logic here. You say you have one that is quite OK and seem to use that fact to rule out the effects mentioned by Nick. Actually, I consider that the parasitic oscillations idea is reinforced by your fact, not denied by it. When a circuit is on the verge of mi

RE: [neonixie-l] OT: Duracell power bank

2019-04-07 Thread johnk
Has anyone noticed the eBay offerings of HUGE mAH banks? 50,000, 100,000, 33 etc ! One listing says the capacity is based on “theoretical maximum ” - a new theory perhaps? They are the same size and weight as the smaller ones. There are teardowns on the web and youtube showing the marki

RE: [neonixie-l] Mystery tube

2019-04-10 Thread johnk
I have come in late on this. Martin will be right. It does look similar to the Hamamatsu thingo. I was going to suggest it is a flash tube for the StroboTac or similar. [but that should glow I suppose]. I love doing "whatsits". John K -Original Message- From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.c

RE: [neonixie-l] Re: ZM1050 / Z550M

2019-04-13 Thread johnk
A bunch of my email delivery posts are out of order and missing some [for lots of groups]. I’ll comment anyway. Notice that there is no smoothing capacitor in that diagram [if we are looking at the same one]. This means that with the halfwave rectifier you are going to get pulsed DC rising t

RE: [neonixie-l] Re: ZM1050 / Z550M

2019-04-14 Thread johnk
v TTL? Richard On Sun, 14 Apr 2019, 06:22 johnk, wrote: A bunch of my email delivery posts are out of order and missing some [for lots of groups]. I’ll comment anyway. Notice that there is no smoothing capacitor in that diagram [if we are looking at the same one]. This means that wit

RE: [neonixie-l] OT: Help buying banana sockets manufactured by Abbattron / HH Smith, anyone?

2019-04-14 Thread johnk
Martin, let’s see what offers you get first. I inherited many cubic metres of parts and semi-dismantled equipment about six years ago. [You “knew” the guy slightly from AVO discussions iirc – from Adelaide.] I sorted a lot of it while the experience was a bit novel. I didn’t get back to it aft

RE: [neonixie-l] OT: audio levels

2019-04-16 Thread johnk
: [neonixie-l] OT: audio levels W dniu piątek, 29 marca 2019 08:46:37 UTC+1 użytkownik charles napisał: On 2019-03-28 10:09 p.m., johnk wrote: based on teh RMS output (.707 of the peak) That would be 0,707 (1/sqrt(2)) voltage output on a resistive load. RMS power of a sine wave is 0,5 times

RE: [neonixie-l] OT: audio levels

2019-04-16 Thread johnk
:30 To: neonixie-l Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] OT: audio levels W dniu piątek, 29 marca 2019 08:46:37 UTC+1 użytkownik charles napisał: On 2019-03-28 10:09 p.m., johnk wrote: the FTC in the States started cracking down and said that any power claims had to be based on teh RMS output (.707 of

RE: [neonixie-l] OT: audio levels

2019-04-17 Thread johnk
użytkownik johnk napisał: Well, how do I say this Thomas? It is NOT to be called Watts RMS ! They left the vital word out – it is Watts [RMS derived]. They left out “derived”. The RMS volts and RMS amps that you mention when multiplied together produce Watts. Just plain Watts. These Watts are

RE: [neonixie-l] OT: LED light bulb teardown

2019-05-02 Thread johnk
They interest me too. I do troubleshooting for a mate who imports LED lights. When you pull apart OR store the LEDs make sure that you do not put any real pressure on the soft rubbery potting/encapsulation of the LEDs. COB LEDs are easily damaged – the bonding wires are delicate. Some suppl

RE: [neonixie-l] Re: First nixie clock: do I need to switch anode?

2019-05-03 Thread johnk
Well, what can we say? I suspect that he knows Spinal Tap and maybe HE was the interviewer J https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xgx4k83zzc BTW, Justin, I hope you caught my recent diatribe on Watts and Watts RMS. John Kaesehagen Australia From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com [mailto:n

RE: [neonixie-l] "TEL" dekatron

2019-05-03 Thread johnk
Haven’t seen one. I wouldn’t be surprised if it is a stores item procured well after the hey-day of tubes. There are many examples of tubes/valves with CV numbers amateurishly stamped on them. The stamping rarely meets the requirements of K1001 standard. Maybe someone used his kid’s rubber prin

RE: [neonixie-l] audiophiles are crazy...

2019-05-29 Thread johnk
I think that you will find they truly believe in the Western Electric reels of vintage solder that pop up from time to time. John K -Original Message- From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com [mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lokna...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, 29 May 2019 23:5

[neonixie-l] power supplies and radio interference

2019-08-15 Thread johnk
>From time to time I come across discussions where radio restorers [domestic and mil] want a low current valve-voltage (tube-voltage) power supply. I often suggest that they look at the various Nixie supplies discussed here. The usual response is along the lines that ANY "switching" or not-lin

RE: [neonixie-l] power supplies and radio interference

2019-08-15 Thread johnk
-emission switching supply. It takes time and care and shielding. High voltage is more of a challenge. On Fri, Aug 16, 2019, 12:27 AM johnk wrote: >From time to time I come across discussions where radio restorers [domestic >and mil] want a low current valve-voltage (tube-voltage)

RE: [neonixie-l] power supplies and radio interference

2019-08-15 Thread johnk
Sigh, Tempest. "We" used to service some Tempest spec sites. Btw, you need a security clearance to be able to access/read the spec too :-)) And, some of our guys just would not keep the spares cabinet locked. I agree that shielding/filtering the supply is not impossible, but is so much harder t

RE: [neonixie-l] So do you guys think I'll be getting this watch I just bought off ebay???

2019-08-15 Thread johnk
It means that he wanted to list "quite a few" items and had to use low starting prices. I guess the one in question didn't get bidded-up. The aggregate list value meant that he chose to risk not starting high. Or am I missing a point here? John k -Original Message- From: neonixie-l@go

RE: [neonixie-l] So do you guys think I'll be getting this watch I just bought off ebay???

2019-08-17 Thread johnk
What did he think would happen if he didn’t use a high starting price? Can’t have his cake and eat it too! I guess he doesn’t know what an auction is either L( John K. From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com [mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Notfaded Sent: Saturday, 17 Au

RE: [neonixie-l] So do you guys think I'll be getting this watch I just bought off ebay???

2019-08-18 Thread johnk
ebay??? It was $1 Buy-it_Now. On Saturday, August 17, 2019 at 3:38:01 AM UTC-5, johnk wrote: What did he think would happen if he didn’t use a high starting price? Can’t have his cake and eat it too! I guess he doesn’t know what an auction is either L( John K. From:

RE: [neonixie-l] Q: Gold colored coating on surface mount contacts

2019-08-19 Thread johnk
When "we" were manufacturing in the '90s the safe storage time for SMD was around 3 to 6 mths. Surfaces weren't 'fresh' after that. Some was wave soldered some reflow. If that is a slow moving component then maybe they coated it with a solder-thru protective layer? Doesn't seem like they used a

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Sockets vs PCB-mounted socket pins

2015-06-27 Thread JohnK
They look beautiful - I bet you 'feel good' when treating your Trochos so well ! I usually resort to pushing "blue links" onto tube pins when experimenting. [Blue links - common name for those rolls of wire with a sleeved connector pin crimped on every few inches. I first ran across them jumpe

Re: [neonixie-l] smps protection question

2015-09-15 Thread JohnK
I have a comment that is worthy of mention but may have nothing to do with your problem. The use of RCA connectors can be tricky. The earth/ground makes after the signal connection. That means there is a possibility of very large common-mode voltages. For instance, consider the usual mains CD

Re: [neonixie-l] smps protection question

2015-09-15 Thread JohnK
I agree with Greg that loops are troublesome; I would like a bit more info from Bob actually. [Drawings, photos, (off-list if you like) ]. What power [watts] is expected of the supply? What amount of capacitive smoothing/filtering is on the high voltage? This LED - it is across the HV? Star ea

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Linear power supplies for nixies

2015-10-02 Thread JohnK
One of the 'requirements' here in Australia is/was for the primary and secondaries to be on separated parts of the bobbin. I haven't looked for the 'rule', I just remember that when it was introduced the blurb with various electronic kits [and advertisements] highlighted the fact that the mains

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Multiple HV5530 question

2015-10-18 Thread JohnK
If you are going to use FPGA, then why not let it design itself? http://www.damninteresting.com/on-the-origin-of-circuits/ John K. [there are more learned refs] - Original Message - From: gregebert To: neonixie-l Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 3:00 AM Subject: [neonixie-l] Re:

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Help with HV5622 drivers

2015-11-02 Thread JohnK
re Hi-z meters. A useful measurement technique is to provide a variable voltage approximating the voltage that you wish to measure. eg Potentiometer across a bench supply, with a common to the circuit under test.. You connect you meter between the point to be measured in the circuit under test

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: NL4998 4 digit watch

2015-11-03 Thread JohnK
1). a shear cutter should be ok and/or 2). wrap wire around the pin [and secure with silver-bearing epoxy?] John K - Original Message - From: gregebert To: neonixie-l Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 10:25 AM Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: NL4998 4 digit watch No easy soluti

Re: [neonixie-l] Nixie safe current question

2015-12-10 Thread JohnK
A starting point is to look at the Average current. Look at the On versus OFF times, duty cycle or whatever you want to call it. Average the current over the whole time period. eg if it is equal ON to OFF, the average would be 50% Try working it out that way as a starting point. eg the power

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: High current 1.5A x150V power supply design for 100 IN9s

2016-02-09 Thread JohnK
So, off-the-shelf mains inverter PLUS simple power supply circuit from the mains volts, OR add a transformer and rectifier/filter. ?? If safety is an issue, a zillion small powersupplies ? John K - Original Message - From: Phill Scan To: neonixie-l Sent: Wednesday, February 10,

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: High current 1.5A x150V power supply design for 100 IN9s

2016-02-10 Thread JohnK
I thought you said it had to be car batteries? BTW, unrelated, but something I am reading at present. A valve/tube-based analogue computer.. attached is power supply requirement. Makes my rack mount telemetry power supplies look puny. I'll keep an eye out for neon :-). jk - Original M

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: High current 1.5A x150V power supply design for 100 IN9s

2016-02-10 Thread JohnK
power supply design for 100 IN9s Humm... I am going to have to think about this ... I am not sure I will have the room for lots of little supplies. On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 10:51:05 AM UTC+8, Zedsquared wrote: On 10/02/2016 05:24, JohnK wrote: > So, off-the-shelf mains

Re: [neonixie-l] My CRT Clock

2016-02-27 Thread JohnK
Just take with the chance of implosion - the glass really can fly about. Watch out for diamond rings... John K. - Original Message - From: Bill Barnes To: neonixie-l Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 4:42 AM Subject: [neonixie-l] My CRT Clock Hello My name is Bill Barnes. I

Re: [neonixie-l] Have few questions about the NIXIE watch...

2016-03-11 Thread JohnK
I think he described/discussed the waterproofing a while back - search the posts for it. John k - Original Message - From: vfdclock To: neonixie-l Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 6:09 PM Subject: [neonixie-l] Have few questions about the NIXIE watch... I am trying to design

Re: [neonixie-l] Used or NOS?

2016-03-15 Thread JohnK
OK... so why a getter in this one? All the little NEON tubes are each already sealed. http://www.tubecollector.org/zz1030.htm John K - Original Message - From: Instrument Resources of America To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 8:18 AM Subject: Re

Re: [neonixie-l] Used or NOS?

2016-03-15 Thread JohnK
o have a good vacuum why not to use getter. But why do they needed the vacuum envelope at all? There is a version of this stabilizer without the envelope. Just four tubes packed into a single base: http://www.radiomuseum.org/tubes/tube_zz1031.html Marcin On 16-Mar-16 14:47, JohnK wrote: OK..

Re: [neonixie-l] Used or NOS?

2016-03-18 Thread JohnK
Well, when I first got that valve I thought as you do. But have a look at that second photo. And, because of a previous discussion after I sent the valve to Jeremy, we have had him look at it closely - he agrees; definitely solid glass at those cut off tips. I have a second one somewhere but it

Re: [neonixie-l] Used or NOS?

2016-03-19 Thread JohnK
Ah, but four sets of closely-spaced elements in one envelope? Would it work? That is why my first reaction was that they had locally walled off the individual pairs but had left them all in one main gas container. I WANTED it to be novel like that. However, the tops are closed - note:- you can

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Off topic, but it has an orange display.. Heathkit ID-1590 anemometer

2016-03-24 Thread JohnK
Early LEDs had even lower ratings iirc. I can remember flicking a design back where two LEDs were in parallel but opposite ways around for ac operation. The fwd volts of the illuminated one exceeded the specs for expecting long life of the other one. John K - Original Message - From

Re: [neonixie-l] Noble gas 'Neon' Chemical Sympols

2016-03-27 Thread JohnK
Build a Tesla Coil in the basement? John K - Original Message - From: Jeff Walton To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Noble gas 'Neon' Chemical Sympols Lots of basements with radon to spare... Too bad you can't co

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Nl-8091 tubes wanted

2016-06-13 Thread JohnK
I am wondering if they are in the Systron Donner(?) clock displays? Must dig mine out and check - suspect they are a little smaller. Got mine from a mil base closure in the 90s. John K - Original Message - From: A.J. Franzman To: neonixie-l Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 12:58 PM

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Burroughs Panaplex II clock display...

2016-08-05 Thread JohnK
Try this... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krypton-85 You might be surprised at the number of tubes that over the years have had 'radioactive' contents. Many gas discharge devices had it added to regularise the characteristics for light/dark operation (trigger tubes and regulators) or their trig

Re: [neonixie-l] Very useful Burroughs application note/brochure #616

2016-08-06 Thread JohnK
Thanks for that Nick; I mentioned your post on the TCA Group and got this from Eric Barbour... "Um, you do know about this website, right? http://ferretronix.com/tech/nixie/pdf/ " John K - Original Message - From: Nick To: neonixie-l Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 10:21 PM

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: b7971 segment current

2016-08-27 Thread JohnK
I haven't looked at electro specs closely since the mid '90s. I was involved with a product that used a conventional aluminium electro in an apparently undemanding application. The value was 10uF and variously two types were used- a 10VDC and a 25VDC [ or a bit higher - I forget]. The DC voltage

Re: [neonixie-l] NE-2 bulbs dont last forever

2017-01-14 Thread JohnK
I saw a situation with a local power outlet manufacturer back in the 1990s. The Neons in the outlet normally lasted for years.. then a batch lasted for a few weeks before they went black. The same value resistor was used [and anyway, some of the 'new' bulbs were fitted to old flushplates to als

Re: [neonixie-l] IN-13 Lifespan

2017-01-23 Thread JohnK
But, if you get the maths right you can actually mimic the response. [I have audio and broadcast radio station background btw] Been here before with this argument of course. So, it is possible to get the same indication but that leaves the semantics to deal with. And there are subtle aspects of th

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: IN-13 Lifespan

2017-01-23 Thread JohnK
I too want to see the results of the post mortem. What IS the mechanical reason for the spacer being free? Please tell. John K - Original Message - From: Jon To: neonixie-l Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 8:27 AM Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: IN-13 Lifespan Sounds like a go

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: How ICs are made - the inside track...

2017-01-26 Thread JohnK
Many years ago [50] in school physics we were told 27 feet per second for 'electrons' in wire and to treat "data/information" transfer like a long tube full of ping-pong balls where you push one in at this end and one falls out at the other. John K - Original Message - From: "jb-elec

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: How ICs are made - the inside track...

2017-01-26 Thread JohnK
de track... 27ft/s seems high, see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drift_velocity#Numerical_example Jens On 1/26/2017 9:28 PM, JohnK wrote: Many years ago [50] in school physics we were told 27 feet per second for 'electrons' in wire and to treat "data/information" tran

[neonixie-l] Wanted: best few photos of Nixies in military equipment

2017-02-20 Thread JohnK
I would like to get a few good pictures of Nixies in military equipment [not expecting it to be mobile stuff].Preferably not generally available test equipment but could be support equipment in the Defence industry. Can anyone point to their favourites please? John Kaesehagen Australia -- You

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Wanted: best few photos of Nixies in military equipment

2017-02-23 Thread JohnK
what you are after but a poke round this site and associated links might be worthwhile. http://watkins-johnson.terryo.org/surveillance-systems/RS-160/RS-160.htm DaveB, NZ From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com [mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of JohnK Sent: Thursday

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Taylor Edge Nixie Clock Kit

2017-03-09 Thread JohnK
Very very good advice from Nick in these two posts. Changing like-for-like or interchanging if easy is valid - modifications aren't. [Unless you deduce something from a *temporary* mod to allow you to fix the original problem.] I have had to deal with the fallout from bad approaches: "We" disco

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Taylor Edge Nixie Clock Kit

2017-03-10 Thread JohnK
OK, so now I looked at the schematic you posted [it is a slightly changed TI ap it seems]. I took it at face value that the BOM was correct, but I don't see one in that pdf you attached. The schematic uses 7400 series. There are "Changes to original..." at top left of sheet 4. In those changes

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Taylor Edge Nixie Clock Kit

2017-03-12 Thread JohnK
Well, I was waiting off for other comments to surface or for the kit supplier to pipe up. I see a few choices:- - contact the supplier for comment - measure waveforms/ logic levels and act accordingly - try specially selecting 74LSxx that work in the location [might be temperamental with age, t

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: IN-14 and Mystery Tube?

2017-03-13 Thread JohnK
You run another risk.. the thing that smoked might have changed its characteristics compared to a 'new' one. Can make a mess of cut-and-try design. John K - Original Message - From: judge2...@gmail.com To: 'Terry S' via neonixie-l Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 12:10 AM Subjec

Re: [neonixie-l] Radioactive Nixies - Study

2017-03-14 Thread JohnK
There are persistant reports here that some equipment buried at Maralinga [British A-bomb tests] found its way to the surplus market [ie Waltham Trading in Rundle Street, for those who are local. When I was at school I used to have a part time job there in the mid '60s.]. John K Australia -

Re: [neonixie-l] checking for radiation Radioactive Nixies - Study

2017-03-15 Thread JohnK
The phosphors wear out. The guys working on old green radios get caught by scraping the labels/switch engraving that have stopped glowing [or the meter dials]. The powder they produce isn't "safe". John K - Original Message - From: andybiker To: neonixie-l Sent: Thursday, Ma

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Radioactive Nixies - Study

2017-03-16 Thread JohnK
"We" used a couple of tiny very sensitive [and fast apparently] scr and triac devices in an IR movement detector light for home use. Around the time models were made for the UK market a fax was received from some US agency via channels. It was a list of countries that it mustn't be exported to.

Re: [neonixie-l] Lixies/Tixie Clock

2017-03-22 Thread JohnK
I am really surprised that no-one has mentioned the you-know-who saga. John K. - Original Message - From: Nick To: neonixie-l Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Lixies/Tixie Clock On Wednesday, 22 March 2017 09:13:31 UTC+4, gregebert wrote:

Re: [neonixie-l] Lixies/Tixie Clock

2017-03-24 Thread JohnK
Some of you might like what you see in the files/photos section of this Google Group or the old Yahoo Group - pics of non-nixie displays and lots of interesting stuff. John K - Original Message - From: Manuel Azevedo To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017

Re: [neonixie-l] Lixies/Tixie Clock

2017-03-25 Thread JohnK
oup guys. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/NEONIXIE-L/info John K. - Original Message - From: Paul Andrews To: neonixie-l Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Lixies/Tixie Clock What files/photos section? i.e. How do we access that? On Fr

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Taylor Edge Nixie Clock Kit

2017-03-30 Thread JohnK
Good outcome. I wondered what had happened. Saw what you meant as soon as I looked at the docs. At least you know what tweaks to do if anymore funnies turn up [ageing, temperature etc]. You can often scavenge the old parts from recycling centres if they haven't actually chewed up the boards for

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Taylor Edge Nixie Clock Kit

2017-03-31 Thread JohnK
Yeah Chuck.. but the interesting thing is that it is supposedly very closely based on a TI ap note or some such. I was looking forward to some input from the seller. But maybe this is public and wasn't "addressed" to him. Still think it is/was in his interest to comment though. John K - O

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Constant current source design

2017-04-01 Thread JohnK
I suspect that he meant if you wanted the 1ve supply, then the devices he mentioned give it easily directly from your low voltage supply - I don't think he meant you to use up your precious High Voltage. Presumably you are running the high voltage generator DCDC conv off a low voltage? You aren

[neonixie-l] loose-pin sockets

2017-04-01 Thread JohnK
What is the latest on low stress sockets? 3D printer ones coming along? I am keen to hear from you all about the latest successes. Anyone contemplating a ZIF style - either rotate or slide locking etc? John K -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neoni

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Constant current source design

2017-04-01 Thread JohnK
To: Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 12:36 AM Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Constant current source design As I see it, the base voltage needs to be -5V wrt to the emitter, so if the emitter voltage is 200, then the base voltage needs to be 195. Am I missing something? On Apr 1, 2017, at

Re: [neonixie-l] Video Tipps for Nixie Clocks...

2017-04-12 Thread JohnK
Well, the programs just make dodging, burning, fading, silver mask jobs etc easier. Nothing wrong with using all the tools - there are some subjects that can't be photographed well enough no matter what the photographer's skills. Just because air-brushing was overused doesn't outlaw it. Face it

Re: [neonixie-l] Manufacturing affordable large, new nixie tubes

2017-04-19 Thread JohnK
Hmm, are you talking QA or QC? By 'product engineer' you make it sound as if you think you can treat the process like a 'recipe'. You are relying on experts in the various fields required rather than having any direct knowledge yourself? High quality components can make a high quality dud too by

Re: [neonixie-l] Constant current source design

2017-04-19 Thread JohnK
I told this story here to the previous generation of readers... In a facility where I worked for a few years back in the mid-1970s there was also a two-rack-cabinet trigger tube monster. Its task was to check the teletype data that was arriving over an HF radio network. When [parity] errors were

Re: [neonixie-l] Manufacturing affordable large, new nixie tubes

2017-04-20 Thread JohnK
Hah! It isn't really about the QM, it is about the technology and the engineering knowledge. Your "we" had better have some real engineers in it! You are sounding more and more like a "Product Manager" as we call them out here. Once all the technologically-required steps are known, we get the I

Re: [neonixie-l] Manufacturing affordable large, new nixie tubes

2017-04-20 Thread JohnK
rs carry the parts needed, and they're more reputable too. High-quality parts would equate to less of a headache. On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 10:37 PM, JohnK wrote: Hmm, are you talking QA or QC? By 'product engineer' you make it sound as if you think you can treat the

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Manufacturing affordable large, new nixie tubes

2017-04-20 Thread JohnK
I do not know how to properly applaud Dalibor. It seems such an empty thing coming from myself. I am just an observer. However, I am so absolutely impressed with what he has done. It quite goes beyond the obsessive amateur radio guys filling a room with gear, the amateur scale-railroad enthusias

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Manufacturing affordable large, new nixie tubes

2017-04-21 Thread JohnK
Yep, wonderful stuff and I was aware of it. By Dalibor's work I meant more than the production -sorry, me being language-lazy. The tantalizing stills at the start and of the move to the castle are more the thing I meant. A complete "life of..." I guess :-)) The everyday things that don't

Re: [neonixie-l] Video with nixies display in old secret place

2017-04-23 Thread JohnK
Seem to remember an effort to put clips and pics into one folder though - but whether that was before or after AJ (?) revamped the albums. John K - Original Message - From: "Nick" To: "neonixie-l" Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Video with nixies disp

Re: [neonixie-l] eBay GSP disposes of CRT for no reason

2017-05-15 Thread JohnK
Wonder if any of their lighting is fluorescent tubes :-) John K - Original Message - From: Instrument Resources of America To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] eBay GSP disposes of CRT for no reason From the way th

Re: [neonixie-l] B5750 Nixie tubes for sale in a week or two...

2017-05-19 Thread JohnK
PayPal oftens pays for returns. But it might give a black mark. John K - Original Message - From: Craig Smith To: neonixie-l Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2017 3:04 AM Subject: [neonixie-l] B5750 Nixie tubes for sale in a week or two... OK, I saw an auction on eBay for B5870 Ni

Re: [neonixie-l] Pulsed DC vs direct DC in cathode poisioned

2017-05-30 Thread JohnK
err, watch the potential there. Scope earthed/grounded? Scope floating? HV supply earth/gnd referenced? Maybe a different technique for a non-EE? John K - Original Message - From: "Instrument Resources of America" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Pu

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Well I tried, big tubes on ebay this am

2017-06-08 Thread JohnK
Glass cracks tend to travel. I wonder if the ' glue ' they use for car windscreen cracks might help? John K Australia - Original Message - From: Robert L To: neonixie-l Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 4:18 AM Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: Well I tried, big tubes on ebay this am

Re: [neonixie-l] Four NL-8091 on ebay

2017-06-08 Thread JohnK
I have a clock using NL 8091. It is a Systron Donner master display that could also drive a slave [or more?]. I posted details in th eold Yahoo group. Googling this " not-small nixies in Systron Donner model 8181 clock display " will get some of it. I looked at the old group photos and can't

Re: [neonixie-l] Four NL-8091 on ebay

2017-06-08 Thread JohnK
Well you said/he said "My old man had a saying: 'Cheap at half the price!'. " BUT I suspect that you mean he might have said Cheap at Twice the Price when he meant a bargain. Dear at Half the Price is said too for when it ISN'T a bargain.. I can remember when I was doing tech work at a radio st

Re: [neonixie-l] Four NL-8091 on ebay

2017-06-08 Thread JohnK
ur NL-8091 on ebay Cracked a fruity? I had to google that. A friends little kids used to say that when they passed gas! On Thursday, June 8, 2017 at 9:50:12 AM UTC-5, johnk wrote: Well you said/he said "My old man had a saying: 'Cheap at half the price!'.

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: A Couple of Oddities

2017-06-21 Thread JohnK
Have a look at Jeremy's beaut pages http://www.tubecollector.org/exhibits.php?cat=33 John K Australia. - Original Message - From: Roddy Scott To: neonixie-l Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 1:55 AM Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: A Couple of Oddities The VS10Gs are Ericsson an

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: LIXIE DISPLAYS

2017-06-21 Thread JohnK
There are "tricks" to cleaning ordinary relay contacts, but I am assuming that you mean the stepper relays here? Stepper relays are usually exceedingly reliable right to the point where the contacting metal is worn away. There is a caveat though - the voltage needs to be high (eg 48V) and the

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: LIXIE DISPLAYS

2017-06-21 Thread JohnK
"In case you're wondering, I have thought of 3D printing a mechanical gear-clock but I have not yet figured out how I want to put nixies in it" Well, how about using up a bunch of dud Nixies? Use ones with faulty digits and just rotate [carousel arrangement] a working one into position

[neonixie-l] tubes/valves and Global Shipping

2017-06-22 Thread JohnK
There have been a few stories told on a few Groups about ebay Global Shipping. Saw this just now at TCA First Post. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mullard-ECC33-NOS-Valvo-Amperex-1958-D-Getter-6SN7-GT-Vacuum-Tube-Valve-MDGGZ-/332275838610?hash=item4d5d2eee92:g:lmMAAOSw3v5YpJGn Am I missing som

[neonixie-l] radiation and neon bulbs

2017-06-22 Thread JohnK
I saw this post by Joe Sousa over at TCA Group. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, s

[neonixie-l] radiation and neon bulbs [ #2]

2017-06-22 Thread JohnK
Sorry, that earlier post just posted itself before I finished :-) So:- I saw this post by Joe Sousa over at TCA Group. Mailed him about posting here but no reply (yet). Joe was a member of the Yahoo Group, no idea if he still follows now. John K Australia. Joe's post "I have surveyed m

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: tubes/valves and Global Shipping

2017-06-22 Thread JohnK
err, I think the point is NOT TO use the Global Shipping by selecting another category, because they DO open [some/all] packages. See various stories circulating. They obviously find it easier when the description tips them off - like the guy who lost his amplifier, NOT just the valves in it. I

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: tubes/valves and Global Shipping

2017-06-28 Thread JohnK
When I mentioned "rules" I meant it as distinct from the laws and regulations. I was meaning the writing of job procedure rules that allow them to work within the laws. For example - how to tell the difference between a getter flash and mercury. Impossible though; too many reasons why it wouldn'

Re: [neonixie-l] Something a little different

2017-06-29 Thread JohnK
And what mains voltage was it originally intended for? John K - Original Message - From: Paul Andrews To: neonixie-l Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 7:23 AM Subject: [neonixie-l] Something a little different While wandering flea markets looking for nixies, or things I can put

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: tubes/valves and Global Shipping

2017-09-17 Thread JohnK
[I am a bit behind in my reading :-) ] Didn't someone [here or TCA Group] say that those twits are judging mercury content by the 'mirroring' seen on a tube? [and/or just its era.] Any getter flash etc will be mistaken. John K. - Original Message - From: Manuel Azevedo To: neon

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: PV Electronics R568 Clock Project With Black R|Z568M Nixie Tubes

2017-09-21 Thread JohnK
Bit of a note re static. There is more to behaving properly than you might think. -The IC tubes known as 'antistatic' were just coated so that the triboelectric effect was less. Those tubes were not protection against local static discharges. - read up on Faraday shielding. And the conductiv

Re: [neonixie-l] Weird display (possibly OT)

2017-09-21 Thread JohnK
Reminds me of the stacked number [globe lit, prob not neon lit] display in the frequency counter by [probably] Advance. I have one but it is buried right now. There used to be a photo in the 'old' photos section. Couldn't spot one quickly with a web search. John K - Original Message -

Re: [neonixie-l] How many push-buttons for settings?

2017-10-12 Thread JohnK
An aside: If that board gets buried in a hard to open box, consider "gluing" the clear plastic sides on those 3mm sockets. It sometimes doesn't take very much angled force on the plug [like a cable pull] to pop the side off. John K - Original Message - From: newxito To: neonixie

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Half-digit neon bulb 25/15 mm long

2017-11-04 Thread JohnK
The web is full of fact and OPINION so be careful which content you choose to believe [we all know this]. AFAIK the usual electros that we encounter are not a PCB problem, but ARE various other problems. If standard electros have PCB content I definitely want to know - but I really avoid contact

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