RE: (313) Au Revoir Groovetech
Well, maybe, but once again, I might point out I bought four records this weekend. 3 of the records, I have MP3s of the albums I bought, and have been searching for the record. The fourth is an artist I discovered in part by checking out his MP3s. I also discovered The Sea Cake through mp3s this weekend, because I saw a poster for an upcoming show of theirs here in Chicago. Now, because I liked the music I heard, I intend to go see their show. I will probably buy an album of theirs on vinyl also, if I see it around. I think that many others would have the same outlook as my own. Of course, it's always scary to put ethical choices in the hands of consumers. But then, isn't that what freedom (if that word means anything at all anymore) is all about? -David PS. I never did try out Groovetech. I prefer shopping in stores but I do use planetxusa.com sometimes. -Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 1:35 PM To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) Au Revoir Groovetech Now maybe the impact of rampant file sharing and burning stuff becomes clear... Think about it... -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Au Revoir Groovetech Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:49 AM Well, it was a good run. And they will go down in history as one of the best shops to never have a shop. Hmmm, wonder what will happen to the archived music sets? MEK Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org sia.co.uk cc: Subject: (313) Au Revoir Groovetech 09/20/03 12:46 AM http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,9-2003431875,,00.html Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Au Revoir Groovetech
Well you're one of the more serious ones, and many do buy, but the majority don't. The whole culture of obtaining music has changed. Whether it's good or bad... it's the reality. I know that I often get asked to burn things for friends as they know I have bought the records, but I don't have a burner so that ends that. Some are broke and can't get the music any way, most just don't wanna pay for stuff. I'd rather buy them the record for a present. Like when you throw parties, none of your friends wanna pay for tickets right? People expect to be on the door even if they have not helped to promote it in anyway. We've got a generation of cyber scrubs. ;) So many labels are on ice right now. I know one major house label is owed a fortune - thousands of pounds - when its distributor went under. I don't know how else you can account for that. Consumer anxiety from terrorism? I don't think so. If freedom is at the cost of people's livelihood's you got a problem. People still don't see music as a product of labour. Musicians gotta eat. However, I do see that the Internet has democraticised music. How else could kids in Russia, South America, etc, pay for expensive imports? There has to be a constructive way around it. Well, maybe, but once again, I might point out I bought four records this weekend. 3 of the records, I have MP3s of the albums I bought, and have been searching for the record. The fourth is an artist I discovered in part by checking out his MP3s. I also discovered The Sea Cake through mp3s this weekend, because I saw a poster for an upcoming show of theirs here in Chicago. Now, because I liked the music I heard, I intend to go see their show. I will probably buy an album of theirs on vinyl also, if I see it around. I think that many others would have the same outlook as my own. Of course, it's always scary to put ethical choices in the hands of consumers. But then, isn't that what freedom (if that word means anything at all anymore) is all about? -David PS. I never did try out Groovetech. I prefer shopping in stores but I do use planetxusa.com sometimes. -Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 1:35 PM To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) Au Revoir Groovetech Now maybe the impact of rampant file sharing and burning stuff becomes clear... Think about it... -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Au Revoir Groovetech Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:49 AM Well, it was a good run. And they will go down in history as one of the best shops to never have a shop. Hmmm, wonder what will happen to the archived music sets? MEK Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org sia.co.uk cc: Subject: (313) Au Revoir Groovetech 09/20/03 12:46 AM http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,9-2003431875,,00.html Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Au Revoir Groovetech
hmmm..i think a hard part for me personally is knowing the mark up price. When I go to buy a CD it pains me because i know how much that cd cost to produce and then i know how it all gets divided after that. It's a big reason why I *really* try to buy music from independently owned stores. ESEPCIALLY because so often full length 17 dollar albums are just a front to sell one or two good singles of the record. vinyl. is expensive. If i could get rid of my tactile obsession for it, it would make life a tad bit easier especially with storage issues. I always had a problem with certain American producers putting their records through Europe so they could get the import markup. grrr. but that's another subject. And yes, people shouldn't have to sacrifice their income because of file sharing etc. however, perhaps it's a matter of adapting.Insert darwin in a techno geek form. What if groovetech had sold their invetory in MP3 format as well? ***However, I think groovetech went down for other reason besides vinyl sales alone. I have a friend who has completely stopped buying vinyl. all sets are done from the laptop, progams or live. He sold a collection of over 500 records. now, if his little mac goes belly up he's possibly up a sh*ts creek, but he's happy with it. so be it. I like my finger paint and he likes his paintshop. d --- Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well you're one of the more serious ones, and many do buy, but the majority don't. The whole culture of obtaining music has changed. Whether it's good or bad... it's the reality. I know that I often get asked to burn things for friends as they know I have bought the records, but I don't have a burner so that ends that. Some are broke and can't get the music any way, most just don't wanna pay for stuff. I'd rather buy them the record for a present. Like when you throw parties, none of your friends wanna pay for tickets right? People expect to be on the door even if they have not helped to promote it in anyway. We've got a generation of cyber scrubs. ;) So many labels are on ice right now. I know one major house label is owed a fortune - thousands of pounds - when its distributor went under. I don't know how else you can account for that. Consumer anxiety from terrorism? I don't think so. If freedom is at the cost of people's livelihood's you got a problem. People still don't see music as a product of labour. Musicians gotta eat. However, I do see that the Internet has democraticised music. How else could kids in Russia, South America, etc, pay for expensive imports? There has to be a constructive way around it. Well, maybe, but once again, I might point out I bought four records this weekend. 3 of the records, I have MP3s of the albums I bought, and have been searching for the record. The fourth is an artist I discovered in part by checking out his MP3s. I also discovered The Sea Cake through mp3s this weekend, because I saw a poster for an upcoming show of theirs here in Chicago. Now, because I liked the music I heard, I intend to go see their show. I will probably buy an album of theirs on vinyl also, if I see it around. I think that many others would have the same outlook as my own. Of course, it's always scary to put ethical choices in the hands of consumers. But then, isn't that what freedom (if that word means anything at all anymore) is all about? -David PS. I never did try out Groovetech. I prefer shopping in stores but I do use planetxusa.com sometimes. -Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 1:35 PM To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) Au Revoir Groovetech Now maybe the impact of rampant file sharing and burning stuff becomes clear... Think about it... -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Au Revoir Groovetech Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:49 AM Well, it was a good run. And they will go down in history as one of the best shops to never have a shop. Hmmm, wonder what will happen to the archived music sets? MEK Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org sia.co.uk cc: Subject: (313) Au Revoir Groovetech 09/20/03 12:46 AM http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,9-2003431875,,00.html Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
(313) The Aquarian - Jay Patrick Ahern
All signs are pointing toward Jay Patrick Ahern = The Aquarian He recorded under the name Aquarhythms and both Carl Craig, Morgan Geist, and Rabbit in the Moon did remixes of his tracks. Carl Rabbit in the Moon did Heart Sequences did and Morgan did Reversion (both on Astralwerks) The Aquarian appears on a compilation with Carl Craig, Rabbit in the Moon and Morgan Geist (also Deep Dish who did a remix of Ether's Whisper) - damn - this is a big pile of tangles he's used more aka's then anyone I've ever seen - he's recorded under the names: Ether, Lunasol (possibly), Nujaz, the Aquarian, Aquarhythms, Hydroelectronics, Hydro-e-lectric, Hydroelectric, Hydronaut, and maybe a few more. anyone know the whereabouts of Mr Ahern? MEK
(313) OT: CD library software
does anyone use software to keep track of their CD or record library? I've been using Spinfree's Audiofile - but they stopped selling it and the Audiofile Internet Companion (AIC) that allows you to auto search the internet for the CD info (CDDB) our AIC went a bit bad so now I have to enter everything manually I need something for Mac OS 9 help!? MEK
Re: (313) The Aquarian - Jay Patrick Ahern
dubtribe sound system also did a remix of 'deep in the feeling' that was on the A-side of that Astralwerks 12. Aquarhythms was never really the artist name. It was the label's name, however for the Astralwerks compilation, it was all condensed under the one name. Mr. Ahern is now living in Dublin and is managing director of the Irish office of a major UK distribution company. pw In a message dated 9/22/03 9:06:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All signs are pointing toward Jay Patrick Ahern = The Aquarian He recorded under the name Aquarhythms and both Carl Craig, Morgan Geist, and Rabbit in the Moon did remixes of his tracks. Carl Rabbit in the Moon did Heart Sequences did and Morgan did Reversion (both on Astralwerks) The Aquarian appears on a compilation with Carl Craig, Rabbit in the Moon and Morgan Geist (also Deep Dish who did a remix of Ether's Whisper) - damn - this is a big pile of tangles he's used more aka's then anyone I've ever seen - he's recorded under the names: Ether, Lunasol (possibly), Nujaz, the Aquarian, Aquarhythms, Hydroelectronics, Hydro-e-lectric, Hydroelectric, Hydronaut, and maybe a few more. anyone know the whereabouts of Mr Ahern? MEK
(313) records for sale
records for sale... rob hood-satellite-hardwax ($4) advent-sound sketches-tresor 106 ($6) psi performer-art is a division of pain (scorn/karl 'o connor/tony child rmxs)-k2o ($6) ian pooley-celtic cross rmxs (dan curtin, dj sneak rmxs)-force inc. ($9) spicelab (oliver lieb)-melbourne connection #1-spy vs. spice ($2) andreas kremer-a dj is not a popstar-lifeform ($6) tyree cooper-a nation of hip house-dj international ($4) [not great condition but playable] advent-annihilate ep-tortured ($6) mannequin lung-the art of travel 2x12-plug research ($10) vincent de wit + carlos rios-full charge ep-audio assault ($4) steve stoll-il mostro-proper ($4) derrick carter + chris nazuka-red nail relic ep-bombay ($4) obscurum-fierce defence-ecom ($4) dj hell-red bull ep-disko b ($9) v/a-oral-olio a history of tomorrow-ersatz audio ($4) b-sides remixes (frank de wulf)-music man ($8) dj skull-when will i be free (adam beyer rmx)-majesty ($6) glenn wilson + staffan erhlin-re-subed-submissions ($6) v/a-total 2 2x12-kompakt ($10) g-force-electronic lesson pt. 1 2x12-kk ($9) adult-new-phonies (picture disc)-clone ($9) goldwave-what the darkness proposes 2x12-kanzleramt ($8) james ruskin-sr2 ep-blueprint ($6) -zachary = zachary lubin zacharylubin.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
Re: (313) Satellite...
Problem is there's f*ck all in itthat place is like a ghost town. - Original Message - From: mkb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 11:39 PM Subject: (313) Re: 313 Digest 22 Sep 2003 02:43:02 - Issue 1787 Satellite does in fact have brick-and-mortar store at 259 Bowery in Manhattan.
Re: (313) records....
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] So folks, what's hot? I quite like that new Kevin Saunderson record on Ante Zenit...classic KMS, and a great party record it's $16 though. KEVIN SAUNDERSON - Ante 17 [ZENIT, ANTEZENIT17, GERM \ Format: 12]
Re: (313) records....
Other than the new Submerge releases, the following are doing it for me: K-Led Tomorrow In The Morning 2x12 (Force Inc. Germany) -- pure sweet Detroit techno! Arne Weinberg Cupola EP (Keynote/ Groundzero Netherlands) -- pumpin' melodic Detroit techno! Scape One The Future ... It Will Never Be The Same (Kone Switzerland) -- dark moody electro. Jacek Sienkiewicz The Evidence (Recognition Poland) -- pumpin' minimal techno house. Bangkok Impact Featuring Kassen Colour Over Taste (Vynalogica Netherlands) -- italo disco with a twist. Decal Brightest Star 2x12 (Rotters Golf Club UK) -- pumpin' dark to melodic electro. Orrin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 6:42 AM Subject: (313) records Hello. So folks, what's hot? Not bought many new records lately - have I missed much? Picked up Vainqueur/Tikiman's 12 on a new? label called 'Stay Tuned'. Not a particuarly new sound or anything, just some very nice deep business.. anymore releases on this label I may have missed? or is this the first? oh, and I just caught up with my mail, the q from Charles? regarding US radio... Surely there's only one man to recommend - Mr Macqueen out of Chicago! But you sussed that already right?! _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
(313) World Wide Techno Update
Morning all 3 and 1/3rds, First of all many thanks to all those that are supporting: http://www.littledetroit.net/forums/ There's plenty of action going on on the boards and it really does have an international feel. Please continue to post up gig/happenings and news so the world can get a witness that we haven't disappeared. We've also just put live: http://www.littledetroit.net/Articles/index.html Anyone who fancies writing an article or who feels they got something to say, get in touch! Coming next week will be a news and the radio sections, where we'll be dishing up the latest news and best mixes 24/7. Also looking for people to do record reviews, again if your interested please get in touch. Word Martin Dust
(313) re.records....
thanks very much to everyone who recommended records to check out, much appreciated. I like the sound of the clips on the delsin website of the 'starfighterz' release, that sounds like something I'll like. says it's out soon too. did anyone check out the omoa party in detroit last night? seemed good, free cd's and all! _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
(313) Streetsounds
Yhhh... Just picked up 6 of the streetsound electro comps on vinyl for £3 a pop from classifieds at work. Im so happy... Rav.
(313) peacefrog
so, this has possibly been done to death but I'm quite interested to know what people think of these limited releases. I mean, both of 'em so far have been very very nice. I don't have the rob hood one yet, but I had a listen to a friends. so is it a rip-off? I guess I feel a little aggreived at paying so much, but I would reguarly pay that much for a second hand record I guess. and, I guess they have to pay the artist a considerable amount, and there's only 400 of them - so £16, I doubt they're even making much on them? whaddya think? _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
Re: (313) peacefrog
i was actually going to start a post regarding the rising prices of new records... i bought them because a, they are actually quite good, b, i know i can always sell them on ebay , c i am a vinyl junkie and i learned a lesson along time ago to buy things when they come out or you will end up paying twice as much. i think ebay is the main culprit of rising prices of records to be honest... whenever i see someone selling records not on ebayanything rare nearly always has a 'bid' next to it and on further inquiries always get a reply along the lines of 'this goes for £x on ebay so i cant let it go cheaper than that) i guess record labels want abit of the money that people will inevitably get from buying them and then selling them immediately on ebay. having said that..i sell alot of stuff on ebay and buy alot of stuff on ebay and without it i wouldn't have a quarter of the records i thought i'd never be able to get hold of. i dontmind spending 15 20 £ on a record. i can do that in a pub in an hour and i get alot more satisfaction from listening to music... placid www.acid-house.net - Everything you wanted to know about acid house
RE: (313) peacefrog
they make the same amount on selling 400 directly at this silly price as they do selling 3000 12 through the distributors and shops . why cant they sell LTD 12'sat decent price? because they wouldnt make any MONEY money money money Vinyl Underground c/o Watts 80 Abington Street Northampton , UK NN1 2BB Tel: 44(0)1604 634433 Fax: 44(0)1604 626828 http://www.vinylunderground.co.uk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 September 2003 11:04 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) peacefrog so, this has possibly been done to death but I'm quite interested to know what people think of these limited releases. I mean, both of 'em so far have been very very nice. I don't have the rob hood one yet, but I had a listen to a friends. so is it a rip-off? I guess I feel a little aggreived at paying so much, but I would reguarly pay that much for a second hand record I guess. and, I guess they have to pay the artist a considerable amount, and there's only 400 of them - so £16, I doubt they're even making much on them? whaddya think? _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
Re: (313) peacefrog
i was actually going to start a post regarding the rising prices of new records... Hmm, yes good point. I reckon we're all going to have to dig a little deeper in our pockets if we want the small independants to survive. I was costing up getting some records pressed the other week (only 500), and I was just thinking. s**t, how are we going to do this? I know what the distributor will pay, and the sums don't add up! so I guess we're due soon for a price hike? cos other people must be having the same problem? are people happy with that I wonder? and i learned a lesson along time ago to buy things when they come out or you will end up paying twice as much. yeah, thats always on the back of my mind too. do you think people play on that though (i.e pay the £16 now, or its only going to cost you double in the future), do they get away with it? the peacefrog releases are good though... i dontmind spending 15 20 £ on a record. i can do that in a pub in an hour and i get alot more satisfaction from listening to music... agreed. for sure. although spending £20 in a pub in an hour is very fun too.. : ) _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
RE: (313) peacefrog
well, f**k me, is that you adrian? this is BAZ!! you fancy that Carl Craig/Amp Fiddler Electric Chair do up this end or what?? they make the same amount on selling 400 directly at this silly price as they do selling 3000 12 through the distributors and shops . why cant they sell LTD 12'sat decent price? because they wouldnt make any MONEY money money money. Yeah, but think about it, Kenny Dixon ain't even getting out of bed for less than 'x' amount is he? + manufacturing and all that, I just can't figure how they're making? mind you.. 400 x £16? = £6400. d'oh, the thieving gits. whats their phone number??!! (I guess I didn't think about doing the maths before shooting me gob off) but do they sell alll of them direct, or do they have distributors, retailers to go through or what? _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
Re: (313) peacefrog
That's true - the mark-up on 400 records at that price would be about £14 - take away £1 for postage and admin etc, they'd still make about £5000 for selling through all copies, which they will undoubtedly do. Split between the label and the artist, it's still a pretty hefty cut, much more than they'd ever get on a standard 12 release... Matt Chester 11th Hour Technology www.11-hour.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Vinyl Underground To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 11:26 AM Subject: RE: (313) peacefrog they make the same amount on selling 400 directly at this silly price as they do selling 3000 12 through the distributors and shops . why cant they sell LTD 12'sat decent price? because they wouldnt make any MONEY money money money Vinyl Underground c/o Watts 80 Abington Street Northampton , UK NN1 2BB Tel: 44(0)1604 634433 Fax: 44(0)1604 626828 http://www.vinylunderground.co.uk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 September 2003 11:04 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) peacefrog so, this has possibly been done to death but I'm quite interested to know what people think of these limited releases. I mean, both of 'em so far have been very very nice. I don't have the rob hood one yet, but I had a listen to a friends. so is it a rip-off? I guess I feel a little aggreived at paying so much, but I would reguarly pay that much for a second hand record I guess. and, I guess they have to pay the artist a considerable amount, and there's only 400 of them - so £16, I doubt they're even making much on them? whaddya think? _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
Re: (313) peacefrog
i was actually going to start a post regarding the rising prices of new records... Hmm, yes good point. I reckon we're all going to have to dig a little deeper in our pockets if we want the small independants to survive. i don't believe now is the time for labels to start increasing the cost of vinylthere are too many other things for people to spend their money on and competition from things like FS, ableton live, CD players etc this is a worrying trend from a vinyl lovers perspective. talking about the PF LTD stuff, i think 16 quid is too much for a one-sided piece of vinyl (even if they put it in an extra plastic sleeve!), the rob hood thing (omega) is nice but not worth that. i still bought it tho for the same reasons placid lists about regretting not-buying stuff later on. robin...
RE: (313) Au Revoir Groovetech/downloading
live. He sold a collection of over 500 records. now, if his little mac goes belly up he's possibly up a sh*ts creek, but he's happy with it. so be it. Not taking any particular side on this (too complex) but that is *not* a great deal of vinyl when compared to collections of many more who are serious abt playing out. k
Re: (313) peacefrog
i don't believe now is the time for labels to start increasing the cost of vinyl you're right. thing is, how are they/we going to survive otherwise? e.g. if you press 500, you got to sell them all to break even. and that ain't going to happen because you need to send some out etc... hmm. bad situation really... (for small labels wanting to do this sort of thing) _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
[Fwd: RE: (313) peacefrog]
Original Message Subject: RE: (313) peacefrog Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:01:05 - From: BakerBA [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'robin' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thee max I will pay for vinyl is around $10 US. With production costs and manufacturing I do feel that leaves the artist to make enough money continue to make music. If they have to work a job to do this then so be it. If the music is that important to them for them to struggle then the music might just be worth listening to. I am so glad for the downfall of the superstar DJ. -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 3:48 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) peacefrog i was actually going to start a post regarding the rising prices of new records... Hmm, yes good point. I reckon we're all going to have to dig a little deeper in our pockets if we want the small independants to survive. i don't believe now is the time for labels to start increasing the cost of vinylthere are too many other things for people to spend their money on and competition from things like FS, ableton live, CD players etc this is a worrying trend from a vinyl lovers perspective. talking about the PF LTD stuff, i think 16 quid is too much for a one-sided piece of vinyl (even if they put it in an extra plastic sleeve!), the rob hood thing (omega) is nice but not worth that. i still bought it tho for the same reasons placid lists about regretting not-buying stuff later on. robin...
Re: (313) peacefrog
i don't believe now is the time for labels to start increasing the cost of vinyl you're right. thing is, how are they/we going to survive otherwise? e.g. if you press 500, you got to sell them all to break even. and that ain't going to happen because you need to send some out etc... oh yeah i totally see it from that point of view too, so a price rise is inevitable. the other option is to run the label and sell direct from a website (cutting out any middle men)... maybe this will be the way forward. bad situation really... (for small labels wanting to do this sort of thing) so more and more of these labels are gonna have to be run as a labour of love, which not all can afford to do. BakerBA wrote: Thee max I will pay for vinyl is around $10 US. With production costs and manufacturing I do feel that leaves the artist to make enough money continue to make music. If they have to work a job to do this then so be it. If the music is that important to them for them to struggle then the music might just be worth listening to. I am so glad for the downfall of the superstar DJ. the expectation for an artist to _have_ to get a job is unrealistic IMO (many do i know but that is not the point) the logical thing then is to make your name known as a dj and earn that way..the exact opposite of the above surely. anyway, i don't really have an answer...only observations robin...
RE: (313) peacefrog
the expectation for an artist to _have_ to get a job is unrealistic IMO (many do i know but that is not the point) .the logical thing then is to make your name known as a dj and earn that way..the exact opposite of the above surely. Not really Robin - nowadays and for (I would contend) many decades, most recording artists have made more money out of performances than record sales. The example I always like to give is The Grateful Dead. You could also say the same abt people like Bowie, who's records have not made any money for about 15 years - yet he still has a massive deal - why? Partly royalties (plus it helps to keep the artist on board if you want to still benefit from their back catalogue) but also toaring, plus everything that goes with it. It's big business. So is Derrick May et al. Ken
Re: (313) peacefrog
anyway, i don't really have an answer... well me either, but here's a good 'un... 12's sales decline rapidly (for about 20 different reasons), your record label has relied in the past on them to make a few quid to keep going. so, a record that used to sell, say, 3000, now does 1000. bit of a problem no? so, you see that ltd things go for cash money on ebay, and also that an increasing number of records are bought by people when they're released, just for the I don't want to pay double for it in the future factor. right? probably stemming from all that skam madness, amongst other things. so, you do a super ltd series with artists who people clamour after releases from, you charge £16 a record, give up a grand for manufacturing, say two grand to the artist (who's thinking f**k me, this is easy money), and the three grand goes in your a*se pocket to help keep your label going, and everyones a winner right? you got to hand it to 'em, it's a bit of a masterstroke. and a good way of getting round current problems. certainly more than my pea sized brain could concoct that's for sure. am I right in thinking that's it now for the standard 12 release from peacefrog? There was the moodyman, but that was an album promo thing right? it was moodymann, and he could sell sand to the arabs...? thing is, I don't even begrudge peacefrog a right to make money, they got staff to employ, artists to pay,and lets face it, we've all had plenty of enjoyment from peacefrog through the years (far more than £16 worth). so, f**k it, I'll buy 'em. Maybe I'm a mug though, but I'm not arsed. thats it, I'll shut up for the day.. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
Re: (313) peacefrog
Odeluga, Ken wrote: the expectation for an artist to _have_ to get a job is unrealistic IMO (many do i know but that is not the point) .the logical thing then is to make your name known as a dj and earn that way..the exact opposite of the above surely. Not really Robin - nowadays and for (I would contend) many decades, most recording artists have made more money out of performances than record sales. The example I always like to give is The Grateful Dead. wires crossed a little i think. i meant exact opposite to the death of the superstar dj i agree with your point tho, so will electronic music have to move in a direction where performance is a lot more important (other than djing)? You could also say the same abt people like Bowie, who's records have not made any money for about 15 years - yet he still has a massive deal - why? Partly royalties (plus it helps to keep the artist on board if you want to still benefit from their back catalogue) but also toaring, plus everything that goes with it. It's big business. So is Derrick May et al. you're right. robin... Ken
(313) Au Revoir Groovetech/i've gotta a big collection
Not taking any particular side on this (too complex) but that is *not* a great deal of vinyl when compared to collections of many more who are serious abt playing out. k just out of curiousity, what does the size of a collection have to do with how serious someone is about playing out? or perhaps i'm missing the jist of your post? maybe it's not a big collection in *your* eyes, but it is a large number to flush out in one fold.that was my point when i mentioned the number. if i had said 20 instead of 500- eh, ok not that big of a deal. someone could own 50 records and bang out a great set with incredible integrity as compared to 200 crap records with no skill and momentum. no? :) d --- Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: live. He sold a collection of over 500 records. now, if his little mac goes belly up he's possibly up a sh*ts creek, but he's happy with it. so be it. Not taking any particular side on this (too complex) but that is *not* a great deal of vinyl when compared to collections of many more who are serious abt playing out. k __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
Re: (313) Au Revoir Groovetech
i'm not sure if freedom should allow for the unregulated trade in the intellectual property of others without their permission. This influences the incentive and the ability to create. i think that at this time, if composers and labels wanted you to have their music for free, they would offer it and many do from their websites. the web is the most efficient music distribution model ever, and the vast majority of music consumers are prepared to have their entire collections in a digital format. i think we're kinda living in a golden age of free music, but things will slowly change and hopefully there will be shift in power away from the major labels that dictate how music is to be consumed. on 23/9/03 9:34 AM, David Powers at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, maybe, but once again, I might point out I bought four records this weekend. 3 of the records, I have MP3s of the albums I bought, and have been searching for the record. The fourth is an artist I discovered in part by checking out his MP3s. I also discovered The Sea Cake through mp3s this weekend, because I saw a poster for an upcoming show of theirs here in Chicago. Now, because I liked the music I heard, I intend to go see their show. I will probably buy an album of theirs on vinyl also, if I see it around. I think that many others would have the same outlook as my own. Of course, it's always scary to put ethical choices in the hands of consumers. But then, isn't that what freedom (if that word means anything at all anymore) is all about? -David PS. I never did try out Groovetech. I prefer shopping in stores but I do use planetxusa.com sometimes. -Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 1:35 PM To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) Au Revoir Groovetech Now maybe the impact of rampant file sharing and burning stuff becomes clear... Think about it... -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Au Revoir Groovetech Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:49 AM Well, it was a good run. And they will go down in history as one of the best shops to never have a shop. Hmmm, wonder what will happen to the archived music sets? MEK Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org sia.co.uk cc: Subject: (313) Au Revoir Groovetech 09/20/03 12:46 AM http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,9-2003431875,,00.html Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) fantastic vinyl in NYC?
sonic groove on carmine (not far form nyu) vinly mania on carmine dancetracks on 1st and 3rd(?) rock n soul near macys, 462 7th ave james From: Thomas I Ainslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 13:22:48 -0500 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) fantastic vinyl in NYC? hello all, i've just recently moved from the detroit burbs to the heart of Manhattan for grad school. i'm missing Record Time and Encore somethin' awful. would anyone be able to recommend some good places to find records in New York? i'm interested in good electronic music and good used records. and cheap would be even better. thanks in advance tom
(313) RE: Au Revoir Groovetech/i've gotta a big collection
Nice subject line Diana - although personally, I don't like to boast! ;-) Actually, pls note I did say: ...when compared to many. It's just a statement of fact, no aspersion on anyone's ability as a dj intended. Peace, k -Original Message- From: diana potts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 12:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Au Revoir Groovetech/i've gotta a big collection Not taking any particular side on this (too complex) but that is *not* a great deal of vinyl when compared to collections of many more who are serious abt playing out. k just out of curiousity, what does the size of a collection have to do with how serious someone is about playing out? or perhaps i'm missing the jist of your post? maybe it's not a big collection in *your* eyes, but it is a large number to flush out in one fold.that was my point when i mentioned the number. if i had said 20 instead of 500- eh, ok not that big of a deal. someone could own 50 records and bang out a great set with incredible integrity as compared to 200 crap records with no skill and momentum. no? :) d --- Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: live. He sold a collection of over 500 records. now, if his little mac goes belly up he's possibly up a sh*ts creek, but he's happy with it. so be it. Not taking any particular side on this (too complex) but that is *not* a great deal of vinyl when compared to collections of many more who are serious abt playing out. k __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
(313)Strings of Life, Danny Krivit edit
Strings Of LifeRythym Is Rythymbootleg Danny Krivit editIbadan? noticed this in a francois k setlist for deepspace. is this released? james
Re: (313)Strings of Life, Danny Krivit edit
Strings Of LifeRythym Is Rythymbootleg Danny Krivit editIbadan? noticed this in a francois k setlist for deepspace. is this released? It's coming out on London's new WhistleBump label very soon... http://www.whistlebump.co.uk/ Cheers, Tom
Re: (313) peacefrog
Matt Chester wrote: That's true - the mark-up on 400 records at that price would be about £14 - take away £1 for postage and admin etc, they'd still make about £5000 for selling through all copies, which they will undoubtedly do. Split between the label and the artist, it's still a pretty hefty cut, much more than they'd ever get on a standard 12 release... I don't know what the split is (I assume it's not 50-50, but for the sake of argument ... ), but if what you're saying is true, I'd have to put out a record (in this way) every two weeks to match a decent (read: long-term, many years of experience) Engineer's salary. What a conundrum. We (rightfully) piss and moan about 16-quid record prices, but even in the best of circumstances (the aforementioned scenario), it doesn't even provide a (slightly) comfortable living. And I don't see any solution to this situation, either. No wonder KDJ doesn't get out of bed for less. Sure glad I'm not trying to live as a musician ... *phew* - Greg
Re: (313) records....
- Original Message - From: O.L. From The Basement [EMAIL PROTECTED] K-Led Tomorrow In The Morning 2x12 (Force Inc. Germany) -- pure sweet Detroit techno! I'll second that!! Excellent LP Btw...thanks for pointing out the new Jacek, hadn't seen that as yet:) Lates, m*
Re: (313) peacefrog
Of course that's true - the amount of money we are talking about is pitiful if you view it as an income - but if it's money that drives you, then Detroit Techno and the like is not, and never will be, the place to find it. If you want to make money from music, then you have to have a product that more people can latch onto, ie something more mainstream. Or, as previously mentioned, you can try to make money as a performer - for example, even if Jeff Mills were to sell 10,000 copies of each Axis release, it would still leave him with less money than a single big gig. The point is, in my opinion, that we produce, sell and buy this music because we love it - music, like all art, is something to spend our money on, not a way of making it. To be an independant label manager, you basically have to accept that you will never see any more money from a release than you would get from a nights work in a bar, at best. You do it because you want to, not because you can make a living from it. And most people lose badly - in another example, word has it that Andy Weatherall lost over £60,000 over the lifetime of his excellent Emissions label... Not wishing to be overly idealistic about it, but the fact is, there is no money in our scene - so it's a waste of time and energy trying to find it (IMO!) - Original Message - From: Greg Earle To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 1:34 PM Subject: Re: (313) peacefrog Matt Chester wrote: That's true - the mark-up on 400 records at that price would be about £14 - take away £1 for postage and admin etc, they'd still make about £5000 for selling through all copies, which they will undoubtedly do. Split between the label and the artist, it's still a pretty hefty cut, much more than they'd ever get on a standard 12 release... I don't know what the split is (I assume it's not 50-50, but for the sake of argument ... ), but if what you're saying is true, I'd have to put out a record (in this way) every two weeks to match a decent (read: long-term, many years of experience) Engineer's salary. What a conundrum. We (rightfully) piss and moan about 16-quid record prices, but even in the best of circumstances (the aforementioned scenario), it doesn't even provide a (slightly) comfortable living. And I don't see any solution to this situation, either. No wonder KDJ doesn't get out of bed for less. Sure glad I'm not trying to live as a musician ... *phew* - Greg
RE: (313) peacefrog
Perfect Point! If you are making records to save for your kids college fund in the future. Its not going to happen. This business has to be from the heart. tb Tim Baker c/o *** Real Estate - Elephanthaus Records 2544 W. North Ave. Suite 2B Chicago, IL 60647 USA 773-862-9652 fax 773-862-9662 www.elephanthaus.com www.realestaterecords.com *** -Original Message- From: Matt Chester [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 6:58 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) peacefrog Of course that's true - the amount of money we are talking about is pitiful if you view it as an income - but if it's money that drives you, then Detroit Techno and the like is not, and never will be, the place to find it. If you want to make money from music, then you have to have a product that more people can latch onto, ie something more mainstream. Or, as previously mentioned, you can try to make money as a performer - for example, even if Jeff Mills were to sell 10,000 copies of each Axis release, it would still leave him with less money than a single big gig. The point is, in my opinion, that we produce, sell and buy this music because we love it - music, like all art, is something to spend our money on, not a way of making it. To be an independant label manager, you basically have to accept that you will never see any more money from a release than you would get from a nights work in a bar, at best. You do it because you want to, not because you can make a living from it. And most people lose badly - in another example, word has it that Andy Weatherall lost over £60,000 over the lifetime of his excellent Emissions label... Not wishing to be overly idealistic about it, but the fact is, there is no money in our scene - so it's a waste of time and energy trying to find it (IMO!) - Original Message - From: Greg Earle To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 1:34 PM Subject: Re: (313) peacefrog Matt Chester wrote: That's true - the mark-up on 400 records at that price would be about £14 - take away £1 for postage and admin etc, they'd still make about £5000 for selling through all copies, which they will undoubtedly do. Split between the label and the artist, it's still a pretty hefty cut, much more than they'd ever get on a standard 12 release... I don't know what the split is (I assume it's not 50-50, but for the sake of argument ... ), but if what you're saying is true, I'd have to put out a record (in this way) every two weeks to match a decent (read: long-term, many years of experience) Engineer's salary. What a conundrum. We (rightfully) piss and moan about 16-quid record prices, but even in the best of circumstances (the aforementioned scenario), it doesn't even provide a (slightly) comfortable living. And I don't see any solution to this situation, either. No wonder KDJ doesn't get out of bed for less. Sure glad I'm not trying to live as a musician ... *phew* - Greg
(313) was groovetech now itunes
i think that dance music would be the perfect money maker for itunes. as dj'ing moves away from vinyl, even those who are ideologically predisposed to pay loot for tracks will find it a time-suck to continually buy tracks then transform them to mp3. at a buck a pop, who'd fight it? lks
RE: (313) peacefrog
This business has to be from the heart yes, agreed. also agreed is Greg's point re making a living. but what worries me is that the average pikey off the street can't release his experimental music via vinyl very easily any more. I mean, finding £800/£900 ain't easy when you earn barely enough to live on. I know enough hardcore/rave kids who wouldn't mind getting 1000 e's and selling them to put money into studio gear or whatever, but not everyone is up for a stretch if caught and for me, that means the music is going to suffer big time. as you're always going to be at the mercy of what someone else wants. do you see what I mean?? or am I talking s**t? _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
Re: (313) peacefrog
a little more then 1000 euro should be enough to put out 500 records incl. promotion, promo postage etc and when you sell everything there's 400 euro profit that's life! :-) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 3:32 PM Subject: RE: (313) peacefrog This business has to be from the heart yes, agreed. also agreed is Greg's point re making a living. but what worries me is that the average pikey off the street can't release his experimental music via vinyl very easily any more. I mean, finding £800/£900 ain't easy when you earn barely enough to live on. I know enough hardcore/rave kids who wouldn't mind getting 1000 e's and selling them to put money into studio gear or whatever, but not everyone is up for a stretch if caught and for me, that means the music is going to suffer big time. as you're always going to be at the mercy of what someone else wants. do you see what I mean?? or am I talking s**t? _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
Re: (313) peacefrog
Im surprised that noone has mentioned the price for Ugly Edit 5 and signed Mahogani 2 @ Submerge - $50 and $75 respectively. I could understand a serious collector paying the extra for a signed KDJ but the Theo one doesnt look any different to the ones that Rushhour are selling as far as I can see. Cheers BT i bought the moodymann private pressing, because i loved that track on theo's 'eclectic asthetic' mix-cd. haven't bought the robert hood [yet], partially because i hardly ever buy something i haven't heard yet, and partially because i'm broke, and rather spend 20 euro's on records i know i'll love, instead of taking a gamble, just because it's limited. it's funny how on one digest i read heartbraking stories about recordstores and labels suffering from mp3's, and on the very same digest, the story of a label that has come up with a way to ensure itself from at least a couple of sold out records every year, to make sure the label can carry on doing what it's been doing for the past 10 years. the limited nature of these records will create a need amongst the public for the actual item, people won't settle for just the mp3. UR is [imho] doing the same with those 7s: giving it's 'customers' an added reason to buy their product, and not settle for a digital copy. as for limited releases; i've been thinking about this over the weekend, and listening to a couple of sets on the deephousepage has strengthened this feeling, i came to the conclusion that we need more limited releases, unreleased tracks, and different versions of 'well-known' tracks. nowadays everyone can find just about every worthwhile release through mailinglists like this, messageboards and online stores and ebay. hearing something 'new' is therefore quite rare. in my opinion it would be great to hear your favorite dj play, and all of a sudden hear him or her play an unreleased version of a song, along with a couple of songs he/she always plays, but are impossible to find. it all adds to the excitement of hearing a certain dj play. UR dj's have their z-tracks, lil louis tried out his new tracks for months before releasing a definitive version, the whole west-london crew at co-op, all those unreleased versions of classics ron hardy would play. people are still talking about the original 'acid trax', the real 'blackout' and so on. i say: press more limited releases! [or should that be 'press less limited releases'?] jurren _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: (313) peacefrog
I definitely see your point Alex, it would be very cool if releasing could at the very least be self sufficient! However, I can't really see the scene suffering because of it, simply because this is the way it's always been - if fact in the past it took a hell of a lot more capital input to release a record, particularly before the advent of cheap CD burning and email etc (for promotion that is). I think the main reason for a small slump in sales is pretty much due to the huge increase in artists clamouring for attention, and most of them only exist now because of the relative ease of them setting up their own labels and putting out their own records. However, I agree that things like these Peacefrog releases can be pretty damaging, as any accepted increase in price is going to have the effect of increasing costs to distributors, stores, artists etc, making releasing cuts less and less affordable to the labels (any benefit from increasing the sales price of an EP is going to be lost in these costs almost immediately - just look at the outrageous price CDs go for - none of that hike has been passed on the artists, even at the most commercial end of the spectrum). - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 2:32 PM Subject: RE: (313) peacefrog This business has to be from the heart yes, agreed. also agreed is Greg's point re making a living. but what worries me is that the average pikey off the street can't release his experimental music via vinyl very easily any more. I mean, finding £800/£900 ain't easy when you earn barely enough to live on. I know enough hardcore/rave kids who wouldn't mind getting 1000 e's and selling them to put money into studio gear or whatever, but not everyone is up for a stretch if caught and for me, that means the music is going to suffer big time. as you're always going to be at the mercy of what someone else wants. do you see what I mean?? or am I talking s**t? _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
Re: (313) peacefrog
I definitely see your point Alex, it would be very cool if releasing could at the very least be self sufficient! However, I can't really see the scene suffering because of it, simply because this is the way it's always been OK, agreed! I'm just moaning because I'm feeling sorry for myself today as me and my mate are struggling to find some cash. I should shut-up really, I'm sure there's many many people far worse off than me. so, I apologise, it helps to rant though. alex (who probably needs some sort of mental help for talking to his computer all day) _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
Re: (313) was groovetech now itunes
I was thinking along that lines too, but in this case apple and their itunes music store are still a middle man in as much as a record label or distributor is a middle man. the artist who sells their wares through iTMS still only recieves a cut of the .99 cents per track just as they only receive a cut of the selling price regradless if its wholesale or retail from a 'hard copy' release. I would guess that the day isnt too far off when you see artists/labels selling their output direct to consumers online using a similar business plan, especially given the advent of technologies like final scratch. yes, there is somethng to be said for a slab of vinyl but the overheads and prfofit margins for establishing and operating a direct-dowload label would have to be better than for a traditional label I would think, even if only slightly, which still puts more money in the pocket of the artist/label owner. personally, I know I much prefer being able to listen to the tracks on line from a 12 or LP and purchase only the ones I want at a buck a pop (see the poker flat web site) vice dropping $10 - $20 bucks for the actual release in a retail outlet for the other tracks I didn¹t want From: Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:32:15 -0400 (EDT) To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) was groovetech now itunes i think that dance music would be the perfect money maker for itunes. as dj'ing moves away from vinyl, even those who are ideologically predisposed to pay loot for tracks will find it a time-suck to continually buy tracks then transform them to mp3. at a buck a pop, who'd fight it? lks
Re: (313) was groovetech now itunes
There are a couple of stores tooling up to sell MP3s through their on-line shops More info when I'm 'allowed' to share it. Lates, m* - Original Message - From: jonathan morse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 9:57 AM Subject: Re: (313) was groovetech now itunes I was thinking along that lines too, but in this case apple and their itunes music store are still a middle man in as much as a record label or distributor is a middle man. the artist who sells their wares through iTMS still only recieves a cut of the .99 cents per track just as they only receive a cut of the selling price regradless if its wholesale or retail from a 'hard copy' release. I would guess that the day isnt too far off when you see artists/labels selling their output direct to consumers online using a similar business plan, especially given the advent of technologies like final scratch. yes, there is somethng to be said for a slab of vinyl but the overheads and prfofit margins for establishing and operating a direct-dowload label would have to be better than for a traditional label I would think, even if only slightly, which still puts more money in the pocket of the artist/label owner. personally, I know I much prefer being able to listen to the tracks on line from a 12 or LP and purchase only the ones I want at a buck a pop (see the poker flat web site) vice dropping $10 - $20 bucks for the actual release in a retail outlet for the other tracks I didn¹t want From: Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:32:15 -0400 (EDT) To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) was groovetech now itunes i think that dance music would be the perfect money maker for itunes. as dj'ing moves away from vinyl, even those who are ideologically predisposed to pay loot for tracks will find it a time-suck to continually buy tracks then transform them to mp3. at a buck a pop, who'd fight it? lks
(313) new down low mix available for downloAD
new mix from phrenic recorded on 2 busted a** turntables: http://downlowmusic.org/Mp3s/Phrenic%20-%20deep%20n%20raw%20jerkin%20mix.mp3 phrenic deep n raw jerkin' mix tracklisting 1. andres - salvador de bahia - mahogani 2. dan bell - the wild life - elevate special projects 3. 3 chairs - all over - 3 chairs 4. new world aquarium - the magnificent - peacefrog 5. theo parrish - friendly children - sound signature 6. black joy - untitled - project 7. luke sardello - subtle measures - soundproof 8. luke sardello - somebody said - soundproof 9. jp soul - waiting (joshua iz remix) - roam 10.chateau flight - pergola - neroli 11.j.tejada a.leviste - inside the atom - playhouse 12.rima - let it go (titonton tejada remix) 13.krikor - peeping tom - karat 14.smith n hack - ultra-range (interlude) - bohannon tribute 15.smith n hack - to our disco friends - bohannon tribute total time 58:56 __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
Re: (313) was groovetech now itunes
see, what will happen if we go down that route is that these MP3s will just go straight onto p2p and the label/shop/outlet will make no money. so the logical next step is what M$ are doing with digital rights management which is a way of stopping you using a computer for what you want to do with it(whose rights are being 'managed') but does provide a way to stop these things going further than your machine. aaargh at least with vinyl you don't get this, one reason why i suspect it won't go away in a hurry. robin... Mark S. Krüx wrote: There are a couple of stores tooling up to sell MP3s through their on-line shops More info when I'm 'allowed' to share it. Lates, m* - Original Message - From: jonathan morse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 9:57 AM Subject: Re: (313) was groovetech now itunes I was thinking along that lines too, but in this case apple and their itunes music store are still a middle man in as much as a record label or distributor is a middle man. the artist who sells their wares through iTMS still only recieves a cut of the .99 cents per track just as they only receive a cut of the selling price regradless if its wholesale or retail from a 'hard copy' release. I would guess that the day isnt too far off when you see artists/labels selling their output direct to consumers online using a similar business plan, especially given the advent of technologies like final scratch. yes, there is somethng to be said for a slab of vinyl but the overheads and prfofit margins for establishing and operating a direct-dowload label would have to be better than for a traditional label I would think, even if only slightly, which still puts more money in the pocket of the artist/label owner. personally, I know I much prefer being able to listen to the tracks on line from a 12 or LP and purchase only the ones I want at a buck a pop (see the poker flat web site) vice dropping $10 - $20 bucks for the actual release in a retail outlet for the other tracks I didn¹t want From: Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:32:15 -0400 (EDT) To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) was groovetech now itunes i think that dance music would be the perfect money maker for itunes. as dj'ing moves away from vinyl, even those who are ideologically predisposed to pay loot for tracks will find it a time-suck to continually buy tracks then transform them to mp3. at a buck a pop, who'd fight it? lks
RE: (313) Streetsounds
you lucky b*gger! I only have 3, 5 and the UK one they did :( -Original Message- From: Mann, Ravinder [CCS] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 September 2003 10:31 To: '313' Subject: (313) Streetsounds Yhhh... Just picked up 6 of the streetsound electro comps on vinyl for £3 a pop from classifieds at work. Im so happy... Rav. --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/03
RE: (313) new down low mix available for downloAD
Hey MG Where's the Gil Scott Heron sample from 29 mins_ish (track 8 perhaps). Some accapella poem ?? Very appropiate at this time Many Thanks Rav -Original Message- From: Minto George [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 September 2003 15:16 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) new down low mix available for downloAD new mix from phrenic recorded on 2 busted a** turntables: http://downlowmusic.org/Mp3s/Phrenic%20-%20deep%20n%20raw%20jerkin%20mix.mp3 phrenic deep n raw jerkin' mix tracklisting 1. andres - salvador de bahia - mahogani 2. dan bell - the wild life - elevate special projects 3. 3 chairs - all over - 3 chairs 4. new world aquarium - the magnificent - peacefrog 5. theo parrish - friendly children - sound signature 6. black joy - untitled - project 7. luke sardello - subtle measures - soundproof 8. luke sardello - somebody said - soundproof 9. jp soul - waiting (joshua iz remix) - roam 10.chateau flight - pergola - neroli 11.j.tejada a.leviste - inside the atom - playhouse 12.rima - let it go (titonton tejada remix) 13.krikor - peeping tom - karat 14.smith n hack - ultra-range (interlude) - bohannon tribute 15.smith n hack - to our disco friends - bohannon tribute total time 58:56 __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
RE: (313) was groovetech now itunes
see, what will happen if we go down that route is that these MP3s will just go straight onto p2p and the label/shop/outlet will make no money. so the logical next step is what M$ are doing with digital rights management which is a way of stopping you using a computer for what you want to do with it(whose rights are being 'managed') but does provide a way to stop these things going further than your machine. aaargh at least with vinyl you don't get this, one reason why i suspect it won't go away in a hurry. robin... I suppose in that sense the 'obscurist'* ethos (?) of this music has it's advantages. In that way, p2p 'piracy' will be limited, as the music won't be attractive to people who think that p2p is a legitimate means of acquisition, whilst at the same time, people like us, if we like the music, will be prepared to pay for vinyl versions because that's basically a part of our culture - it's not something which we do with a heavy heart and try to avoid at the first technological opportunity, rather we do it because we enjoy it. (Limited amount of genuine interest is a double-edged sword of course.) k _ *An example of this might be the names and titles used by artists, labels etc. An ostensibly offensive name or title, immediately puts off the average dilatente, but it won't dissuade people like ourselves: examples: the Shitkatapult label. Also I've seen recently a label selling some remastered and re-edited underground '70s disco - called c***t records! I swear that's true! That's an extreme example though, but a good one! :-) k
(313) 313 London party - the lineup for October 11th
We've pretty much finalised the lineup for the October 11th 313 party at Public Life in London. Remember, everyone on 313 gets in free; the party runs from 8pm to 2am (or possibly later!); the cover charge for outsiders is £2; and Public Life is at 82a Commercial Street in London, near Liverpool Street and Aldgate tube stations. If you need any more information on the party, just send me a private mail! Anyway, the lineup (in no particular order) is: Brendan Nelson (Lunar Selector, WIDE) Guy Thackeray (WIDE) Rohan Thurairatnam (Audiolove, Overload) Tristan Watkins (Phonopsia) Placid (acid-house.net) Toby Young (Bleep43) Matt Chester (11th Hour) Maxim Sullivan (Amp-Art) Dan Butler (313 lurker!) Hopefully we'll see a lot of 313ers turning out to make a night of it, so be sure to come down if you can! :) Cheers, Brendan
RE: (313) was groovetech now itunes
If artists/labels start selling music online by themselves, on their one web page, how are you going to find it? It would work for establish artists/labels, because people would be searching for their music, but lets say someone totally new appears. He set's up a web page, puts his music online, and nothing happens. It's the same as if he would record CDRs, go in front of his house and sell them there (ok, a bit easier to get to him over internet :), but you get the picture. Like it or not, there will always be some middle man. Jernej www.soundoflj.com/octex -Original Message- From: jonathan morse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21. oktober 2003 15:57 To: Lester Kenyatta Spence; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) was groovetech now itunes I was thinking along that lines too, but in this case apple and their itunes music store are still a middle man in as much as a record label or distributor is a middle man. the artist who sells their wares through iTMS still only recieves a cut of the .99 cents per track just as they only receive a cut of the selling price regradless if its wholesale or retail from a 'hard copy' release. I would guess that the day isnt too far off when you see artists/labels selling their output direct to consumers online using a similar business plan, especially given the advent of technologies like final scratch. yes, there is somethng to be said for a slab of vinyl but the overheads and prfofit margins for establishing and operating a direct-dowload label would have to be better than for a traditional label I would think, even if only slightly, which still puts more money in the pocket of the artist/label owner. personally, I know I much prefer being able to listen to the tracks on line from a 12 or LP and purchase only the ones I want at a buck a pop (see the poker flat web site) vice dropping $10 - $20 bucks for the actual release in a retail outlet for the other tracks I didn¹t want
RE: (313) was groovetech now itunes
Shitkatapult label I absolutely love that name - and the logo is just as funny
Re: (313) peacefrog
Matt Chester wrote: I think the main reason for a small slump in sales is pretty much due to the huge increase in artists clamouring for attention, and most of them only exist now because of the relative ease of them setting up their own labels and putting out their own records. A major reason for the sale slump is people being out of work , or working for less then they did a few years ago. The record industry likes to put a lot of blame on downloading for their record sales slumping, and don't even mention the economy. United Airlines and all of the other Airlines are having troubles, not because people downloaded their tickets from a p2p network, but because people don't have as much discrectionary spending as they once did. Dave
(313) 313 London party - updated lineup
OK, my brain isn't exactly firing on all cylinders today and so my list didn't include a particular 313er who *should* have been included... a Mr Ken Odeluga! So here's the updated lineup: Ken Odeluga (Bleep43) Brendan Nelson (Lunar Selector, WIDE) Guy Thackeray (WIDE) Rohan Thurairatnam (Audiolove, Overload) Tristan Watkins (Phonopsia) Placid (acid-house.net) Toby Frith (Bleep43) Matt Chester (11th Hour) Maxim Sullivan (Amp-Art) Dan Butler (313 lurker!) Once again, sorry about that... Brendan
Re: (313) Au Revoir Groovetech
diana potts wrote: I always had a problem with certain American producers putting their records through Europe so they could get the import markup. grrr. but that's another subject. You have to remember, that they may be putting it out through Europe, as they may have a mfg distribution deal. I'm somebody, who for the last 10 years has primarily concentrated on purchasing mainly domestic vinyl, ask anyone who knows me. I've been a primary advocate of saving domest techno/house/electro , by purchasing domestic techno/house/electro. But some of these records would not even be put out , if it wasn't for the European distribution deal that was made. Dave
Re: (313) was groovetech now itunes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only way artists can get around that is to form collectives which gives them more people power and certain rolls can be divided up. What has been working within the indie rock world is smaller labels joining forces and creating their own distribution network. It also provides some protection from having to sell to a larger company. i.e; Underground Resistance Dave
RE: (313) was groovetech now itunes
Ditto. Though I'll admit that Violent Turd is still my fav. fecal based label. Logo: http://img.discogs.com/L/6449-001.jpg Discography: http://www.discogs.com/label/Violent_Turd Shitkatapult label I absolutely love that name - and the logo is just as funny -- Allen Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.fksche.com
Re: (313) was groovetech now itunes
Exactly, and does anyone know financially how they are doing? seems like they keep going from strength to strength there needs to be more like them - I'm sure there are - any other examples? MEK D B [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org thms.comcc: Subject: Re: (313) was groovetech now itunes 09/23/03 10:39 AM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only way artists can get around that is to form collectives which gives them more people power and certain rolls can be divided up. What has been working within the indie rock world is smaller labels joining forces and creating their own distribution network. It also provides some protection from having to sell to a larger company. i.e; Underground Resistance Dave
Re: (313) 313 London party - updated lineup
Mhmm, narce - I'll delurk for that one. ; ) Cheers, Anya Message date : Sep 23 2003, 04:32 PM From : Brendan Nelson To : 313@hyperreal.org Copy to : Subject : (313) 313 London party - updated lineup OK, my brain isn't exactly firing on all cylinders today and so my list didn't include a particular 313er who *should* have been included... a Mr Ken Odeluga! So here's the updated lineup: Ken Odeluga (Bleep43) Brendan Nelson (Lunar Selector, WIDE) Guy Thackeray (WIDE) Rohan Thurairatnam (Audiolove, Overload) Tristan Watkins (Phonopsia) Placid (acid-house.net) Toby Frith (Bleep43) Matt Chester (11th Hour) Maxim Sullivan (Amp-Art) Dan Butler (313 lurker!) Once again, sorry about that... Brendan
(313) ANYTHING TO DO THURSDAY/FRIDAY IN THA D?
HELP! I have a friend from Brasil who is leaving within a week that wants to go and hear some good house or techno. I haven't had time to go out for months because of school (and the fact that I live in East Lansing because MSU just HAS to be in the middle of the state) and work, so if anyone could please let me know of any good events going on this week, I would greatly appreciate it. Stephen Dallas Hart _ Instant message in style with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com
Re: (313) ANYTHING TO DO THURSDAY/FRIDAY IN THA D?
motor reunion on friday. paxahau 5 anv. party on saturday but you may not have to goto the D if you like dj micro he will be at the temple in lansing on saturday dj ruckus will be there and imo why more interesting then micro, and steve is a way cool guy. plays some great hip-hop. goto the paxahau event. i will be there. also if your out of the lansing loop there is $hit happening here. tues. @temple club- broke. this is there break beat night, they have open tables and good electro, hip hop, jungle/dnb, techno. wed. @excell- tranxit. this is not genre defined but has live pa's, jungle, electro, techno, heavy metal you name it thurs. temple has college night. dj ruckus is a regular in the red room. fri. excell has there goth night. have never been there on this night but i have been told that it draw a lot of people. sat. temple has there mass - check there website to see who is playing. www.templeclub.com. but once a month karma kitty does an even. this past weekend was frankie bones so they still bring in the big names. imo tuesdays are the coolest, its nice to see break-dancers. scotto lansing, mi. plaztikjezuz.com HELP! I have a friend from Brasil who is leaving within a week that wants to go and hear some good house or techno. I haven't had time to go out for months because of school (and the fact that I live in East Lansing because MSU just HAS to be in the middle of the state) and work, so if anyone could please let me know of any good events going on this week, I would greatly appreciate it. Stephen Dallas Hart _ Instant message in style with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com
RE: (313) 313 London party - updated lineup
This will be sweet -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 4:33 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) 313 London party - updated lineup Mhmm, narce - I'll delurk for that one. ; ) Cheers, Anya Message date : Sep 23 2003, 04:32 PM From : Brendan Nelson To : 313@hyperreal.org Copy to : Subject : (313) 313 London party - updated lineup OK, my brain isn't exactly firing on all cylinders today and so my list didn't include a particular 313er who *should* have been included... a Mr Ken Odeluga! So here's the updated lineup: Ken Odeluga (Bleep43) Brendan Nelson (Lunar Selector, WIDE) Guy Thackeray (WIDE) Rohan Thurairatnam (Audiolove, Overload) Tristan Watkins (Phonopsia) Placid (acid-house.net) Toby Frith (Bleep43) Matt Chester (11th Hour) Maxim Sullivan (Amp-Art) Dan Butler (313 lurker!) Once again, sorry about that... Brendan # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
Re: (313) ANYTHING TO DO THURSDAY/FRIDAY IN THA D?
already mentioned, but: - friday night 9/26, at the old motor space: www.motorreunion.com/mr.aspx green velvet, terrance parker, aphrodite, and stacey pullen. - -Joe motor reunion on friday. paxahau 5 anv. party on saturday but you may not have to goto the D if you like dj micro he will be at the temple in lansing on saturday dj ruckus will be there and imo why more interesting then micro, and steve is a way cool guy. plays some great hip-hop. goto the paxahau event. i will be there. also if your out of the lansing loop there is $hit happening here. tues. @temple club- broke. this is there break beat night, they have open tables and good electro, hip hop, jungle/dnb, techno. wed. @excell- tranxit. this is not genre defined but has live pa's, jungle, electro, techno, heavy metal you name it thurs. temple has college night. dj ruckus is a regular in the red room. fri. excell has there goth night. have never been there on this night but i have been told that it draw a lot of people. sat. temple has there mass - check there website to see who is playing. www.templeclub.com. but once a month karma kitty does an even. this past weekend was frankie bones so they still bring in the big names. imo tuesdays are the coolest, its nice to see break-dancers. scotto lansing, mi. plaztikjezuz.com HELP! I have a friend from Brasil who is leaving within a week that wants to go and hear some good house or techno. I haven't had time to go out for months because of school (and the fact that I live in East Lansing because MSU just HAS to be in the middle of the state) and work, so if anyone could please let me know of any good events going on this week, I would greatly appreciate it. Stephen Dallas Hart _ Instant message in style with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com
(313) motor reunion
on the info page, www.motorreunion.com/mr.aspx there is talk of renovations and whatnot... whats this all about? last I heard, the building was going to be sold and poof, no more motor or events at that space. now they are renovating it, which could be just general structural renovation, but maybe they are gonna start using the space more for events of (gasp) another shot at a techno club there? anyways, hit me up off list if this is too far from topic -=j
RE: (313) ANYTHING TO DO THURSDAY/FRIDAY IN THA D?
Besides the $25 Motor reunion on Friday night, there is also a Detroitluv.com bandwidth party: http://www.detroitluv.com/index.php?board=4;action=display;threadid=10130 There is also a going away party for Christian Bloch, Mike Perry, and their respective women ;) http://www.detroitluv.com/index.php?board=4;action=display;threadid=10090 Cheers, Dennis -Original Message- From: Stephen Hart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 12:34 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) ANYTHING TO DO THURSDAY/FRIDAY IN THA D? HELP! I have a friend from Brasil who is leaving within a week that wants to go and hear some good house or techno. I haven't had time to go out for months because of school (and the fact that I live in East Lansing because MSU just HAS to be in the middle of the state) and work, so if anyone could please let me know of any good events going on this week, I would greatly appreciate it. Stephen Dallas Hart _ Instant message in style with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com
(313) New Erykah Badu LP
Has anyone heard this yet? World Wide Underground is the closest thing to a Moodymann album on a major, all jazzy grooves, quite avant garde. The single Danger is not at all representative (I actually thought it was very Neptunes like, a bit derivative for Ms Badu). It's really brave putting this out. The sleeve notes suggest it's a reaction to the monotony of urban radio. Badu modelled it on a mixtape. I always loved the songs on Baduizm - there ain't nothing wrong with great songs - and some of the neo-soul albums I've bought have relied on the groove more than songs and they've not been especially memorable but like D'Angelo's layered Voodoo this really works. This takes Mama's Gun a step further. I think a lot of 313 heads would really dig this!
Re: (313) Au Revoir Groovetech
I think that's a compelling point. But the mark up price comes from all the middle people involved in getting that CD, the distributors, the stores. I guess they want their income too, rightly or wrongly. Often the indie stores are more expensive though as they're not buying things in bulk, but I guess at least you know that the money is going to an independent store. I actually think there's a need for a real overhaul in thinking, but I do feel for the people *affected* by file-sharing. I reckon close to a 1/3 of the Australian record co industry has disappeared, and promo and publicists go first. Now there's talk of mergers between majors here which creates even larger monopolies. There's one key distributor now here without any publicist working their stuff and so no one knows something is out. You ask for an interview and no one cares enough even to give you the os contact so you can organise it yourself. The drop in vinyl is interesting too. I think Diana makes a valid point here. But I am personally sick of labels feeling that if they release CD compilations, they *have* to be mixed. I like the full tracks. I liked GrooveTech but they compelled you to use Fed Express and for international orders that makes it sooo expensive. Also I could never find much by way of Detroit stuff there. I really recommend Record Time mail order, they're super quick and have a site that works. I can't order from Juno as there software is incompatible with my system. -- From: diana potts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Au Revoir Groovetech Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:46 AM hmmm..i think a hard part for me personally is knowing the mark up price. When I go to buy a CD it pains me because i know how much that cd cost to produce and then i know how it all gets divided after that. It's a big reason why I *really* try to buy music from independently owned stores. ESEPCIALLY because so often full length 17 dollar albums are just a front to sell one or two good singles of the record. vinyl. is expensive. If i could get rid of my tactile obsession for it, it would make life a tad bit easier especially with storage issues. I always had a problem with certain American producers putting their records through Europe so they could get the import markup. grrr. but that's another subject. And yes, people shouldn't have to sacrifice their income because of file sharing etc. however, perhaps it's a matter of adapting.Insert darwin in a techno geek form. What if groovetech had sold their invetory in MP3 format as well? ***However, I think groovetech went down for other reason besides vinyl sales alone. I have a friend who has completely stopped buying vinyl. all sets are done from the laptop, progams or live. He sold a collection of over 500 records. now, if his little mac goes belly up he's possibly up a sh*ts creek, but he's happy with it. so be it. I like my finger paint and he likes his paintshop. d --- Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well you're one of the more serious ones, and many do buy, but the majority don't. The whole culture of obtaining music has changed. Whether it's good or bad... it's the reality. I know that I often get asked to burn things for friends as they know I have bought the records, but I don't have a burner so that ends that. Some are broke and can't get the music any way, most just don't wanna pay for stuff. I'd rather buy them the record for a present. Like when you throw parties, none of your friends wanna pay for tickets right? People expect to be on the door even if they have not helped to promote it in anyway. We've got a generation of cyber scrubs. ;) So many labels are on ice right now. I know one major house label is owed a fortune - thousands of pounds - when its distributor went under. I don't know how else you can account for that. Consumer anxiety from terrorism? I don't think so. If freedom is at the cost of people's livelihood's you got a problem. People still don't see music as a product of labour. Musicians gotta eat. However, I do see that the Internet has democraticised music. How else could kids in Russia, South America, etc, pay for expensive imports? There has to be a constructive way around it. Well, maybe, but once again, I might point out I bought four records this weekend. 3 of the records, I have MP3s of the albums I bought, and have been searching for the record. The fourth is an artist I discovered in part by checking out his MP3s. I also discovered The Sea Cake through mp3s this weekend, because I saw a poster for an upcoming show of theirs here in Chicago. Now, because I liked the music I heard, I intend to go see their show. I will probably buy an album of theirs on vinyl also, if I see it around. I think that many others would have the same outlook as my own. Of course, it's always scary to put ethical choices in the
Re: (313) Au Revoir Groovetech
I think there's a sense that DJs who have good records and labels to their name have one up on DJs who don't as they have more of a 'name' and are considered more viable than promoters. In turn DJing promotes the labels/records. I think you'd win that bet, Lester. -- From: Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Au Revoir Groovetech Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:06 PM On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Cyclone Wehner wrote: GT is the store never had anything in stock (what i was looking for at least). the dj culture in the US is dropping off. people are spending money else where. I had that too. The high cost of Fed Express delivery put me off. The cost would exceed the record. I don't blame mp3s - quite the contrary. If you can find *one* established producer or indie label owner or store owner who believes in that, I would love to talk to them. I'm not being facetious at all, but I don't think it's viable to deny the impact. There are other factors of course but that is a large part of the industry decline. The Internet has opened up music, allowing more people to access music for free, but the majority of people who download do not go on to buy the music. What percentage of dance music producers are themselves DJs? How much money do dance music producers make off of their music? I'm willing to bet that Derrick May made more money off of his Playstation royalties for MIDNIGHT RUN than he ever did making music. And that he makes more money DJ'ing than he does music making. I could be wrong, given that he doesn't work off of the same oppressive dynamics as the rest of the industry (transmat is HIM after all). But I think the economics of dance music production are different aren't they? lks
