RE: (313) REMINDER: 313 list accepts only plain text messages
I don't understand what the problem is - my email is HTML by default and I can't be expected to remember to change it each time I reply to an email Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 October 2007 12:34 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) REMINDER: 313 list accepts only plain text messages who sends html email except like 12 year old girls? i get no html mail, id like to keep it that way. tom On 10/8/07, Williams, Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a bit of a broad statement, over 90% of the email I receive is html based, and it never gets garbled. G -Original Message- From: Matt Kane's Brain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 October 2007 19:00 To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) REMINDER: 313 list accepts only plain text messages On Oct 5, 2007, at 1:16 PM, The Archiver wrote: What's so bad about receiving html? The Web's been around 15 years, and people still can't agree on how to correctly interpret HTML. You can never guarantee that your message won't get garbled by the interpreter. -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
Re: (313) Re: Interesting piece on house/techno
On 10/9/07, nuf si [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even Burial, whose debut album generated an avalanche of critical approval in the US, only sold 291 albums there, according to the sales metrics aggregator Nielsen SoundScan. Wow. id guess that doesnt count people who bought it from online shops in the UK or elsewhere? otherwise i personally count for almost 1% of his total album sales here as i bought it once on CD and once on wax. soundscan is not all that accurate for something that underground i dont think. tmo
RE: (313) REMINDER: 313 list accepts only plain text messages
I'm always changing it back to plain, but when I have to send a picture, I forget to change it back and sometimes it resets itself anyway. You can't send pics in plaintext, so why the preference for plain? Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2007 07:58 To: Robert Taylor; Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) REMINDER: 313 list accepts only plain text messages Curious Rob. What did you do this time? You're e-mail obviously came through and if you didn't change your settings before you sent it, there's some inconsistency in the extent to which HTML messages will appear or not (which many of us have often suspected.) -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2007 07:53 To: Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) REMINDER: 313 list accepts only plain text messages I don't understand what the problem is - my email is HTML by default and I can't be expected to remember to change it each time I reply to an email Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 October 2007 12:34 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) REMINDER: 313 list accepts only plain text messages who sends html email except like 12 year old girls? i get no html mail, id like to keep it that way. tom On 10/8/07, Williams, Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a bit of a broad statement, over 90% of the email I receive is html based, and it never gets garbled. G -Original Message- From: Matt Kane's Brain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 October 2007 19:00 To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) REMINDER: 313 list accepts only plain text messages On Oct 5, 2007, at 1:16 PM, The Archiver wrote: What's so bad about receiving html? The Web's been around 15 years, and people still can't agree on how to correctly interpret HTML. You can never guarantee that your message won't get garbled by the interpreter. -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 # # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
RE: (313) Re: Interesting piece on house/techno
It annoys me that Burial is used as the prime representative of dubstep - it's a bit too nice and tame to be proper dubstep, it's more like chillstep! Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2007 08:08 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Re: Interesting piece on house/techno Goes without saying that that doesn't represent total US sales (just thought I'd mention it anyway for the record!) -Original Message- From: nuf si [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2007 04:54 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Re: Interesting piece on house/techno Even Burial, whose debut album generated an avalanche of critical approval in the US, only sold 291 albums there, according to the sales metrics aggregator Nielsen SoundScan. Wow. As the subject says. http://www.de-bug.de/texte/5129.html robin... Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
RE: (313) Re: Interesting piece on house/techno
Goes without saying that that doesn't represent total US sales (just thought I'd mention it anyway for the record!) -Original Message- From: nuf si [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2007 04:54 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Re: Interesting piece on house/techno Even Burial, whose debut album generated an avalanche of critical approval in the US, only sold 291 albums there, according to the sales metrics aggregator Nielsen SoundScan. Wow. As the subject says. http://www.de-bug.de/texte/5129.html robin... Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html
RE: (313) REMINDER: 313 list accepts only plain text messages
Curious Rob. What did you do this time? You're e-mail obviously came through and if you didn't change your settings before you sent it, there's some inconsistency in the extent to which HTML messages will appear or not (which many of us have often suspected.) -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2007 07:53 To: Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) REMINDER: 313 list accepts only plain text messages I don't understand what the problem is - my email is HTML by default and I can't be expected to remember to change it each time I reply to an email Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 October 2007 12:34 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) REMINDER: 313 list accepts only plain text messages who sends html email except like 12 year old girls? i get no html mail, id like to keep it that way. tom On 10/8/07, Williams, Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a bit of a broad statement, over 90% of the email I receive is html based, and it never gets garbled. G -Original Message- From: Matt Kane's Brain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 October 2007 19:00 To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) REMINDER: 313 list accepts only plain text messages On Oct 5, 2007, at 1:16 PM, The Archiver wrote: What's so bad about receiving html? The Web's been around 15 years, and people still can't agree on how to correctly interpret HTML. You can never guarantee that your message won't get garbled by the interpreter. -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
Re: (313) Re: Interesting piece on house/techno
On 10/9/07, klaus boss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're obviously everso entitled to your opinions :) But in what way other than the dubplate exclusives has Dubstep followed D'n'B? it went from a soulful sound that referenced jazz, r+b, hiphop, reggae, etc to a cold technical sound. it seriously is almost an exact parallel to jungle moving to techstep. and of course of hardcore moving to darkside. its just the path that UK dance genres seem to take. Yes, for being an innovative musical path (which D'n'B killed off for good around 96 and Detroit Techno is hardly any better there!!! although I'll love it to my deathbed for the amazing music that was created) i think detroit techno has maintained its goodness far better than DnB did. with jungle it just dropped off entirely. unless youre the most cold hearted cynic out there, if you were a fan of the original detroit techno records, you can still find records from detroit that you would like. Is it possibly due to an inborn dislike to something that actually evolves and why the hell should sampling be a problem in the process of being creative? :) i dont mind evolution. there is just a point where these UK genres quit being about creativity and things all start sounding samey and dark and boring. As a whole I'd say that DUBSTEP (stupid name, but I like it to be typed as big as possible ;) ) can be as much enjoyed at home as in a smoky, dark club. im just not too sure about that. Don't fear the future, embrace it. The Future Is Ours - Musto Bones i only fear the future if it sucks like dubstep. tom
Re: (313) Re: Interesting piece on house/techno
It directly evolved from Grime and 4 X 4 ( 4 by 4). The Planet Mu take on Dubstep has some industrial overtones yes (Vex'd, Pinch etc.), but are you familiar with DMZ, Tempa and other warmer outlets? The sound is still as broad as it comes in my opinion. Let me once again point out that I love Detroit stuff (+ tonnes of other styles of electronic/non-electronic) since the early days and still buy those releases which somewhat manages to stand out :) As for sounding samey - well, do you honestly believe that the so-called Neo-Detroit offers something new except for better production? @ nuf si - does record sales proves quality now? ;) You all have a great day/night :) K On 10/10/07, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/9/07, klaus boss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're obviously everso entitled to your opinions :) But in what way other than the dubplate exclusives has Dubstep followed D'n'B? it went from a soulful sound that referenced jazz, r+b, hiphop, reggae, etc to a cold technical sound. it seriously is almost an exact parallel to jungle moving to techstep. and of course of hardcore moving to darkside. its just the path that UK dance genres seem to take. Yes, for being an innovative musical path (which D'n'B killed off for good around 96 and Detroit Techno is hardly any better there!!! although I'll love it to my deathbed for the amazing music that was created) i think detroit techno has maintained its goodness far better than DnB did. with jungle it just dropped off entirely. unless youre the most cold hearted cynic out there, if you were a fan of the original detroit techno records, you can still find records from detroit that you would like. Is it possibly due to an inborn dislike to something that actually evolves and why the hell should sampling be a problem in the process of being creative? :) i dont mind evolution. there is just a point where these UK genres quit being about creativity and things all start sounding samey and dark and boring. As a whole I'd say that DUBSTEP (stupid name, but I like it to be typed as big as possible ;) ) can be as much enjoyed at home as in a smoky, dark club. im just not too sure about that. Don't fear the future, embrace it. The Future Is Ours - Musto Bones i only fear the future if it sucks like dubstep. tom -- Regards, Klaus Boss +4550413432 www.hifly.dk
(313) Re: Interesting piece on house/techno
http://www.de-bug.de/texte/5129.html The writer touches many points but does not go deep in any of them, so I am kind of unsure of what he was trying to say (other than that CC is the best). Yeah, it's not a great article but I figured we needed something to talk about. But, certainly there isn't much futurism in electronic music nowadays, maybe because it doesn't sell anymore. Well I guess there's only so long you can keep saying the futures coming before it's actually here. The future is never quite like society imagines it will be. Perhaps, the free exchange of music that seems (hopefully) to be the way of the future will trigger some creative fusions. I am not sure how this mechanism will work for electronic music, since the live element is not really there (not yet, so maybe this is a clue for the future). So, when an acoustic/band musician benefits from releasing free music by getting more publicity/gigs, I am wondering if this will also work for the electronic act/DJ. I guess this is a tangent to this conversation but Radiohead's recent approach (you pay what you like for ther new album from zero upwards) seems to have captured the minds of a lot of people. Granted, people who are already established. As for dubstep. Can't say its ever struck me as good or bad. I might have a dfferent opinion if I'd been to a lot of good clubs playing it but I'm from the north and we don't really do that kinda thing up here. :) As always though clubs need a mix of music from the ultra moody (most dubstep as far as i'm aware, and my awareness is admittedly limited) to the light/funky. Things go wrong (creative cul-de-sacs, dying scenes, overly blokey crowds) when that mix isn't there. This applies to all kinds of music. robin...
(313) Dubstep
On 10 Oct 2007, at 08:21, klaus boss wrote: It directly evolved from Grime and 4 X 4 ( 4 by 4). This is completely wrong, it came from the garage scene before the scene became more urban/commercial and probably because of it. When it first hit it was called New Step around 2000 and then started getting called 8 Bar, which was taken up by Grime later. As for sounding samey - well, do you honestly believe that the so-called Neo-Detroit offers something new except for better production? The problem in the Dubstep scene is that people are just using the same beat, dropping the bass and wub wubbing on LFO2 but Pinch/Benga/ Loefah are still pushing forward with some good stuff. m
Re: (313) Re: Interesting piece on house/techno
On 10 Oct 2007, at 08:10, Robert Taylor wrote: It annoys me that Burial is used as the prime representative of dubstep - it's a bit too nice and tame to be proper dubstep, it's more like chillstep! I'd agree with Rob here, I think it's more the fact that he's on Kode 9's label and uses Spaceape that it gets lumped in but it does help widen the scope. I prefer Scorn to Burial tho :) m
Re: (313) Re: Interesting piece on house/techno
On 10 Oct 2007, at 07:59, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: On 10/9/07, klaus boss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're obviously everso entitled to your opinions :) But in what way other than the dubplate exclusives has Dubstep followed D'n'B? it went from a soulful sound that referenced jazz, r+b, hiphop, reggae, etc to a cold technical sound. it seriously is almost an exact parallel to jungle moving to techstep. and of course of hardcore moving to darkside. its just the path that UK dance genres seem to take. They went for the Dub-plate culture because of what was happening in the garage scene at the time, everyone playing the same 12s and promo's - this is still true of the Speed Garage scene up in Sheffield - I haven't been to a night for five years now but I'd be willing to bet you that I can hum you the bassline of the track that will be playing if we went. Dubstep nights like FWD wanted something different so rather than just going for DJ's they went for DJ/Producers who would be dropping new and exclusive stuff to avoid a repeat of the above. m
RE: (313) Dubstep
Either I'm not getting messages from all the participants Martin, or you're having a conversation with yourself! ;) Still, it's interesting ... -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2007 10:37 To: 313 List Subject: Re: (313) Dubstep On 10 Oct 2007, at 10:28, klaus boss wrote: It's not wrong Martin - cause it's an offspring from what came after Grime and 4X4, but you're right saying it initially started with Garage. What I really had underlying in saying that it evolved from Grime and 4X4 :) You'll have to tell that to Benga, Skream, Loefah and Oris then - cos they will tell you very different. It's a bit of an overstatement to say that people are just using the same elements - there are a good deal of artists having their own sound - Joker from Bristol being one of the new cats on the block there Not really, I'm putting more Dubstep 12s back than I'm buying these days and I've got enough sh1t demo's to justify it. m On 10/10/07, Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10 Oct 2007, at 08:21, klaus boss wrote: It directly evolved from Grime and 4 X 4 ( 4 by 4). This is completely wrong, it came from the garage scene before the scene became more urban/commercial and probably because of it. When it first hit it was called New Step around 2000 and then started getting called 8 Bar, which was taken up by Grime later. As for sounding samey - well, do you honestly believe that the so-called Neo-Detroit offers something new except for better production? The problem in the Dubstep scene is that people are just using the same beat, dropping the bass and wub wubbing on LFO2 but Pinch/Benga/ Loefah are still pushing forward with some good stuff. m -- Regards, Klaus Boss +4550413432 www.hifly.dk
Re: (313) Dubstep
On 10 Oct 2007, at 10:28, klaus boss wrote: It's not wrong Martin - cause it's an offspring from what came after Grime and 4X4, but you're right saying it initially started with Garage. What I really had underlying in saying that it evolved from Grime and 4X4 :) You'll have to tell that to Benga, Skream, Loefah and Oris then - cos they will tell you very different. It's a bit of an overstatement to say that people are just using the same elements - there are a good deal of artists having their own sound - Joker from Bristol being one of the new cats on the block there Not really, I'm putting more Dubstep 12s back than I'm buying these days and I've got enough sh1t demo's to justify it. m On 10/10/07, Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10 Oct 2007, at 08:21, klaus boss wrote: It directly evolved from Grime and 4 X 4 ( 4 by 4). This is completely wrong, it came from the garage scene before the scene became more urban/commercial and probably because of it. When it first hit it was called New Step around 2000 and then started getting called 8 Bar, which was taken up by Grime later. As for sounding samey - well, do you honestly believe that the so-called Neo-Detroit offers something new except for better production? The problem in the Dubstep scene is that people are just using the same beat, dropping the bass and wub wubbing on LFO2 but Pinch/Benga/ Loefah are still pushing forward with some good stuff. m -- Regards, Klaus Boss +4550413432 www.hifly.dk
RE: (313) Dubstep
LOL -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2007 10:39 To: Martin Dust; 313 List Subject: RE: (313) Dubstep Either I'm not getting messages from all the participants Martin, or you're having a conversation with yourself! ;) Still, it's interesting ... -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2007 10:37 To: 313 List Subject: Re: (313) Dubstep On 10 Oct 2007, at 10:28, klaus boss wrote: It's not wrong Martin - cause it's an offspring from what came after Grime and 4X4, but you're right saying it initially started with Garage. What I really had underlying in saying that it evolved from Grime and 4X4 :) You'll have to tell that to Benga, Skream, Loefah and Oris then - cos they will tell you very different. It's a bit of an overstatement to say that people are just using the same elements - there are a good deal of artists having their own sound - Joker from Bristol being one of the new cats on the block there Not really, I'm putting more Dubstep 12s back than I'm buying these days and I've got enough sh1t demo's to justify it. m On 10/10/07, Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10 Oct 2007, at 08:21, klaus boss wrote: It directly evolved from Grime and 4 X 4 ( 4 by 4). This is completely wrong, it came from the garage scene before the scene became more urban/commercial and probably because of it. When it first hit it was called New Step around 2000 and then started getting called 8 Bar, which was taken up by Grime later. As for sounding samey - well, do you honestly believe that the so-called Neo-Detroit offers something new except for better production? The problem in the Dubstep scene is that people are just using the same beat, dropping the bass and wub wubbing on LFO2 but Pinch/Benga/ Loefah are still pushing forward with some good stuff. m -- Regards, Klaus Boss +4550413432 www.hifly.dk To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://disclaimer.leedsmet.ac.uk/email.htm
Re: (313) Re: Interesting piece on house/techno
Some of these guys must cite the german dub techno as influences. You would have thought so but you'll find it's not the case, I couldn't believe Loefah had never heard of Scorn but that's pretty much the case. You have to remember that they nearly are all under 21 apart from the odd few. m
Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology
On 10 Oct 2007, at 11:11, Mann, Ravinder wrote: Seen lots of discussions about the Dubstep to UK garage/2 step link. But I always link Dubstep with Sheffields bleep'n'bass from the late 80's and the 90's Berlin dub sound. But then again im 41 not 21 : ) True enough Rav, but you'll get the thousand yard stare if you mention it, granddad :) The biggest influence of Dubstep is EL-B, he produced some of the darkest UK garage for a long time. m
RE: (313) Re: Interesting piece on house/techno
Burial is just one end of the spectrum with Vex'd at the other. I don't know the name of the tunes but I was at Exodus/DMZ in Leeds last friday and some of the selections were pretty techno imo - lovely percussion, warm kick pitched a danceable steppers bpm and then the wupwuup coming in, its all good. Some of these guys must cite the german dub techno as influences. Rav -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2007 10:09 To: 313 List Subject: Re: (313) Re: Interesting piece on house/techno On 10 Oct 2007, at 08:10, Robert Taylor wrote: It annoys me that Burial is used as the prime representative of dubstep - it's a bit too nice and tame to be proper dubstep, it's more like chillstep! I'd agree with Rob here, I think it's more the fact that he's on Kode 9's label and uses Spaceape that it gets lumped in but it does help widen the scope. I prefer Scorn to Burial tho :) m To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://disclaimer.leedsmet.ac.uk/email.htm
RE: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology
Seen lots of discussions about the Dubstep to UK garage/2 step link. But I always link Dubstep with Sheffields bleep'n'bass from the late 80's and the 90's Berlin dub sound. But then again im 41 not 21 : ) -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2007 11:01 To: Mann, Ravinder Cc: 313 List Subject: Re: (313) Re: Interesting piece on house/techno Some of these guys must cite the german dub techno as influences. You would have thought so but you'll find it's not the case, I couldn't believe Loefah had never heard of Scorn but that's pretty much the case. You have to remember that they nearly are all under 21 apart from the odd few. m To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://disclaimer.leedsmet.ac.uk/email.htm
Re: (313) Dubstep
On 10 Oct 2007, at 10:38, Odeluga, Ken wrote: Either I'm not getting messages from all the participants Martin, or you're having a conversation with yourself! ;) Wouldn't be the first time Ken, I replied to a mail on that list that just came to me :) Still, it's interesting ... There's interesting stuff happening in the scene and the beats are getting better but like I mentioned, I am putting more back these days cos I just can't bare to hear another 12 that uses the same formula over and over again - I know it's about the drop blah blah and this stuff is much better in a big club with a load of people but it kinda reminds me of the time in techno when it went all loops... m
RE: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology
Haha big up all Granddads in the House . . Id be interested in any old timers take on Dubstep production, how far back would the influences go ? Would they include Detriot strings ? Would they include 80's northern bass ? i.e. waiting for Pauls material to drop, any clues Martin ? Rav -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2007 11:22 To: Mann, Ravinder Cc: 313 List Subject: Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology On 10 Oct 2007, at 11:11, Mann, Ravinder wrote: Seen lots of discussions about the Dubstep to UK garage/2 step link. But I always link Dubstep with Sheffields bleep'n'bass from the late 80's and the 90's Berlin dub sound. But then again im 41 not 21 : ) True enough Rav, but you'll get the thousand yard stare if you mention it, granddad :) The biggest influence of Dubstep is EL-B, he produced some of the darkest UK garage for a long time. m To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://disclaimer.leedsmet.ac.uk/email.htm
Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology
80s northern bass? LOL (sorru) - Original Message - From: Mann, Ravinder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 List 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:48 AM Subject: RE: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology Haha big up all Granddads in the House . . Id be interested in any old timers take on Dubstep production, how far back would the influences go ? Would they include Detriot strings ? Would they include 80's northern bass ? i.e. waiting for Pauls material to drop, any clues Martin ? Rav -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2007 11:22 To: Mann, Ravinder Cc: 313 List Subject: Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology On 10 Oct 2007, at 11:11, Mann, Ravinder wrote: Seen lots of discussions about the Dubstep to UK garage/2 step link. But I always link Dubstep with Sheffields bleep'n'bass from the late 80's and the 90's Berlin dub sound. But then again im 41 not 21 : ) True enough Rav, but you'll get the thousand yard stare if you mention it, granddad :) The biggest influence of Dubstep is EL-B, he produced some of the darkest UK garage for a long time. m To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://disclaimer.leedsmet.ac.uk/email.htm
RE: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology
Tony Thorpe's making dubstep now Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Mann, Ravinder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2007 11:48 To: Martin Dust Cc: 313 List Subject: RE: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology Haha big up all Granddads in the House . . Id be interested in any old timers take on Dubstep production, how far back would the influences go ? Would they include Detriot strings ? Would they include 80's northern bass ? i.e. waiting for Pauls material to drop, any clues Martin ? Rav -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2007 11:22 To: Mann, Ravinder Cc: 313 List Subject: Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology On 10 Oct 2007, at 11:11, Mann, Ravinder wrote: Seen lots of discussions about the Dubstep to UK garage/2 step link. But I always link Dubstep with Sheffields bleep'n'bass from the late 80's and the 90's Berlin dub sound. But then again im 41 not 21 : ) True enough Rav, but you'll get the thousand yard stare if you mention it, granddad :) The biggest influence of Dubstep is EL-B, he produced some of the darkest UK garage for a long time. m To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://disclaimer.leedsmet.ac.uk/email.htm # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology
On 10 Oct 2007, at 11:48, Mann, Ravinder wrote: Haha big up all Granddads in the House . . For sure :) Id be interested in any old timers take on Dubstep production, how far back would the influences go ? This would be my main point, they don't actual go back that far and far too much time has already been spent arguing the case. Would they include Detriot strings ? Would they include 80's northern bass ? There's producers looking at this stuff now, so it should get interesting. i.e. waiting for Pauls material to drop, any clues Martin ? I believe it's done except for a certain band (cough) not completing a remix...due to be mastered at the end of October. m
Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology
From a grandads (not sure if I count at only 35) point of view, the Dubstep sound kind of passed me by because I couldn't hear a massive amount of originality in there. Don't get me wrong, I like some of it a lot but it got hyped up as 'the new sound' a few years ago. Kind of reminds me of getting into drum and bass when it started and thinking it was a totally original sound, nowadays I still love the early DB but I realise how massively influenced it was by Detroit techno. Still, it's nice to know that some of the local youth (I live in Croydon) are indoors making tracks instead of out muggin' old ladies ;) E On 10 Oct 2007, at 12:01, Robert Taylor wrote: Tony Thorpe's making dubstep now Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Mann, Ravinder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2007 11:48 To: Martin Dust Cc: 313 List Subject: RE: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology Haha big up all Granddads in the House . . Id be interested in any old timers take on Dubstep production, how far back would the influences go ? Would they include Detriot strings ? Would they include 80's northern bass ? i.e. waiting for Pauls material to drop, any clues Martin ? Rav -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2007 11:22 To: Mann, Ravinder Cc: 313 List Subject: Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology On 10 Oct 2007, at 11:11, Mann, Ravinder wrote: Seen lots of discussions about the Dubstep to UK garage/2 step link. But I always link Dubstep with Sheffields bleep'n'bass from the late 80's and the 90's Berlin dub sound. But then again im 41 not 21 : ) True enough Rav, but you'll get the thousand yard stare if you mention it, granddad :) The biggest influence of Dubstep is EL-B, he produced some of the darkest UK garage for a long time. m To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://disclaimer.leedsmet.ac.uk/email.htm ## ### Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 ## ###
RE: (313) Interesting piece on house/techno
I fell asleep about a third of the way through that Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 October 2007 19:19 To: 313 Org Subject: (313) Interesting piece on house/techno As the subject says. http://www.de-bug.de/texte/5129.html robin... # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
RE: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology
Apols missed out bleep'n' from my post I don't know what else you could call it. Its techno I know. -Original Message- From: /0 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2007 12:00 To: Mann, Ravinder; Martin Dust Cc: 313 List Subject: Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology 80s northern bass? LOL (sorru) - Original Message - From: Mann, Ravinder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 List 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:48 AM Subject: RE: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology Haha big up all Granddads in the House . . Id be interested in any old timers take on Dubstep production, how far back would the influences go ? Would they include Detriot strings ? Would they include 80's northern bass ? i.e. waiting for Pauls material to drop, any clues Martin ? Rav -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2007 11:22 To: Mann, Ravinder Cc: 313 List Subject: Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology On 10 Oct 2007, at 11:11, Mann, Ravinder wrote: Seen lots of discussions about the Dubstep to UK garage/2 step link. But I always link Dubstep with Sheffields bleep'n'bass from the late 80's and the 90's Berlin dub sound. But then again im 41 not 21 : ) True enough Rav, but you'll get the thousand yard stare if you mention it, granddad :) The biggest influence of Dubstep is EL-B, he produced some of the darkest UK garage for a long time. m To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://disclaimer.leedsmet.ac.uk/email.htm To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://disclaimer.leedsmet.ac.uk/email.htm
Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology
It was a big thing back in the day, they all tried to out do each other with loads of bass, we have some old Nightmares (Boywonder) tracks that never got released from this period and try as we may to fix them for we release, we can't. The bass on them is just stupid. m On 10 Oct 2007, at 11:59, /0 wrote: 80s northern bass?
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RE: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yorkshire_Bleeps_and_Bass Written by my mate Ben Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: /0 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2007 12:00 To: Mann, Ravinder; Martin Dust Cc: 313 List Subject: Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology 80s northern bass? LOL (sorru) - Original Message - From: Mann, Ravinder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 List 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:48 AM Subject: RE: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology Haha big up all Granddads in the House . . Id be interested in any old timers take on Dubstep production, how far back would the influences go ? Would they include Detriot strings ? Would they include 80's northern bass ? i.e. waiting for Pauls material to drop, any clues Martin ? Rav -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2007 11:22 To: Mann, Ravinder Cc: 313 List Subject: Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology On 10 Oct 2007, at 11:11, Mann, Ravinder wrote: Seen lots of discussions about the Dubstep to UK garage/2 step link. But I always link Dubstep with Sheffields bleep'n'bass from the late 80's and the 90's Berlin dub sound. But then again im 41 not 21 : ) True enough Rav, but you'll get the thousand yard stare if you mention it, granddad :) The biggest influence of Dubstep is EL-B, he produced some of the darkest UK garage for a long time. m To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://disclaimer.leedsmet.ac.uk/email.htm # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology
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(313) burial (was: Interesting piece on house/techno)
Von: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] It annoys me that Burial is used as the prime representative of dubstep i agree with you. burial is just something else. btw, soundclips from the upcoming burial album untrue: http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=56128 c*
RE: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology
Emile and I used to shop at Big Apple in Croydon, and it's interesting seeing all the little whippersnappers who populated the shop in the days when you could buy a Chain Reaction record in there (the shop changed hands a few years ago) now being big names in this genre, such as Benga and Hatcha (real name Terry). Arthur Smith, who recorded as Grain, is one of the key influences in this techno element. His Red EP is still my favourite record... http://www.discogs.com/release/82528 -Original Message- From: Emile Facey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2007 12:15 To: Robert Taylor Cc: Mann, Ravinder; Martin Dust; 313 List Subject: Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology From a grandads (not sure if I count at only 35) point of view, the Dubstep sound kind of passed me by because I couldn't hear a massive amount of originality in there. Don't get me wrong, I like some of it a lot but it got hyped up as 'the new sound' a few years ago. Kind of reminds me of getting into drum and bass when it started and thinking it was a totally original sound, nowadays I still love the early DB but I realise how massively influenced it was by Detroit techno. Still, it's nice to know that some of the local youth (I live in Croydon) are indoors making tracks instead of out muggin' old ladies ;) E On 10 Oct 2007, at 12:01, Robert Taylor wrote: Tony Thorpe's making dubstep now Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Mann, Ravinder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2007 11:48 To: Martin Dust Cc: 313 List Subject: RE: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology Haha big up all Granddads in the House . . Id be interested in any old timers take on Dubstep production, how far back would the influences go ? Would they include Detriot strings ? Would they include 80's northern bass ? i.e. waiting for Pauls material to drop, any clues Martin ? Rav -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2007 11:22 To: Mann, Ravinder Cc: 313 List Subject: Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology On 10 Oct 2007, at 11:11, Mann, Ravinder wrote: Seen lots of discussions about the Dubstep to UK garage/2 step link. But I always link Dubstep with Sheffields bleep'n'bass from the late 80's and the 90's Berlin dub sound. But then again im 41 not 21 : ) True enough Rav, but you'll get the thousand yard stare if you mention it, granddad :) The biggest influence of Dubstep is EL-B, he produced some of the darkest UK garage for a long time. m To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://disclaimer.leedsmet.ac.uk/email.htm ## ### Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 ## ### For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales (company number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT.
Re: (313) Interesting piece on house/techno
On 10 Oct 2007, at 12:15, Robert Taylor wrote: I fell asleep about a third of the way through that You should read his stuff on mnml Rob, gushing boy most extreme :) m
(313) RE: [Possible Spam] Re: (313) REMINDER: 313 list accepts only plain text messages
Why is that a bad thing? Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Matt Kane's Brain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2007 12:28 To: Robert Taylor Cc: Odeluga, Ken; Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [Possible Spam] Re: (313) REMINDER: 313 list accepts only plain text messages On Oct 10, 2007, at 3:01 AM, Robert Taylor wrote: You can't send pics in plaintext, so why the preference for plain? So you can't send pics. :) (except as an attachment) -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
Re: (313) Interesting piece on house/techno
I fell asleep about a third of the way through that OK, not deparately interesting but it generated some discussion on an otherwise semi-dormant list. Where's your topic for discussion Rob? If you're not careful I'll star another vinyl vs. digital discussion. :) robin...
Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology
Well Martin - I hate to say it but we agree completely :) EL-B is spot on as being a godfather of the Dubstep sound. Ravinder mentioning Berlin and Basic Channel as an obvious influence but actually not being it, leads me to the story about Burial being asked if he knew BC. When his mate played him the stuff from Mark Moritz, Burial was like: Awww! cause he like many others in Dubstep just where doing his thing without having that musical past that seemed so obviously present. I'm glad that the Dubstep topic created a healthy discussion here :) tin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was a big thing back in the day, they all tried to out do each other with loads of bass, we have some old Nightmares (Boywonder) tracks that never got released from this period and try as we may to fix them for we release, we can't. The bass on them is just stupid. m On 10 Oct 2007, at 11:59, /0 wrote: 80s northern bass? -- Regards, Klaus Boss +4550413432 www.hifly.dk
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On Oct 5, 2007, at 8:58 AM, kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 313 list doesn't accept multipart-mime messages. That means you need to select 'plain text' as the message type in your mail client. Not only that, but you have to actually check the message format before you hit send, because many clients seem to choose HTML or Rich Text formats on their own, even if you've told them to use plain text. What's the rationale? 1. MIME-encoding makes the archives and digests unreadable and difficult to search. 2. Some people still use text-based e-mail programs. 3. We old school. If we was truly old school, I wouldn't see this in the Digests: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (just look at all those =20 quoted-printable spaces.) While I'm not sure this is necessarily the exact/only cause, quite a few Digests still continue to cause Apple's Mail.app heartburn. There were 13 of them in the latest Digest that I just got earlier this morning (and a few 8bit as well). If we really want Plain Text, it's all about Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit baby! - Greg
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This is A Techno list, let's not embrace the new technology! In response to Kent's reasons 1. MIME-encoding makes the archives and digests unreadable and difficult to search. Really? How? Is this a bit of a broad statement? 2. Some peple still use text-based e-mail programs. I would assume there are very few? There aren’t many email programs out there that only use Plain Text, 3. We old school. Kent you may be OLD school, but that's hardly a reason to keep everyone in the category. Kent you may be the moderator, but is the decision yours to decide what the list should do? I mean no disrespect here G -Original Message- From: Greg Earle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2007 13:32 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) REMINDER: 313 list accepts only plain text messages On Oct 5, 2007, at 8:58 AM, kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 313 list doesn't accept multipart-mime messages. That means you need to select 'plain text' as the message type in your mail client. Not only that, but you have to actually check the message format before you hit send, because many clients seem to choose HTML or Rich Text formats on their own, even if you've told them to use plain text. What's the rationale? 1. MIME-encoding makes the archives and digests unreadable and difficult to search. 2. Some people still use text-based e-mail programs. 3. We old school. If we was truly old school, I wouldn't see this in the Digests: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (just look at all those =20 quoted-printable spaces.) While I'm not sure this is necessarily the exact/only cause, quite a few Digests still continue to cause Apple's Mail.app heartburn. There were 13 of them in the latest Digest that I just got earlier this morning (and a few 8bit as well). If we really want Plain Text, it's all about Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit baby! - Greg No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.6/1061 - Release Date: 10/10/2007 08:43 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.6/1061 - Release Date: 10/10/2007 08:43
RE: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology
In my minds ear I'm imagining Were Are Back or Im Am for Real on the Iration rig. 'ave a word Martin : ) -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2007 12:27 To: 313 List Subject: Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology It was a big thing back in the day, they all tried to out do each other with loads of bass, we have some old Nightmares (Boywonder) tracks that never got released from this period and try as we may to fix them for we release, we can't. The bass on them is just stupid. m To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://disclaimer.leedsmet.ac.uk/email.htm
Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology
hahaha m On 10 Oct 2007, at 14:34, Mann, Ravinder wrote: In my minds ear I'm imagining Were Are Back or Im Am for Real on the Iration rig. 'ave a word Martin : ) -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2007 12:27 To: 313 List Subject: Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology It was a big thing back in the day, they all tried to out do each other with loads of bass, we have some old Nightmares (Boywonder) tracks that never got released from this period and try as we may to fix them for we release, we can't. The bass on them is just stupid. m To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://disclaimer.leedsmet.ac.uk/email.htm
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On 10/10/07, The Archiver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is A Techno list, let's not embrace the new technology! In response to Kent's reasons 1. MIME-encoding makes the archives and digests unreadable and difficult to search. Really? How? Is this a bit of a broad statement? Call me old school, but sometimes I open the archive files in a text editor. 2. Some peple still use text-based e-mail programs. I would assume there are very few? There aren't many email programs out there that only use Plain Text, Maybe. 3. We old school. Kent you may be OLD school, but that's hardly a reason to keep everyone in the category. I am the oldest of old school, the internet equivalent of Methuselah. My first e-mail address had bangs (the ! character) in it. But plain text is 100% forward compatible. HTML isn't backwards compatible. Kent you may be the moderator, but is the decision yours to decide what the list should do? I mean no disrespect here I prefer the term 'administrator' but ... I don't even know how well EZMLM would deal with multi-part mime. Rejecting MIME E-mail keeps people from sending pictures and sounds and virii. It also forces people to WRITE what they mean. I hear from a few squeaky wheels who want HTML e-mail on 313, but the vast majority of list members either like it plain text, or don't care one way or another. I don't see a reason to change. I know it means that certain mail clients will switch to HTML for no reason and get messages bounced but as far as I'm concerned that just means they suck. If you don't like it, start your own list, or go to the many web forums that also talk about techno. It may be an anachronistic quirk of this list, but it does in some small way maintain its unique character.
Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology
I love all that old bleep and bass stuff yet I don't seem to have grokked what dubstep is all about. I must be getting old. I guess I should listen to some dubstep. To make this discussion useful (for me at least :) ) can someone point me to 5 or 10 essential releases I should check out? thanks robin... In my minds ear I'm imagining Were Are Back or Im Am for Real on the Iration rig. 'ave a word Martin : )
Re: (313) Re: Interesting piece on house/techno
No it's not, Shoomping House is. I'm stealing that name from the article and making it mine. You'll all be dancing to Shoomping House in '08! ;-) MEK /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 10/09/2007 07:25:43 PM: dubstep is the stupidest genre name yet. and thats saying a lot, when speaking within the context of electronic music. - Original Message - From: klaus boss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Guilherme Menegon Arantes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 Org 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 8:06 PM Subject: Re: (313) Re: Interesting piece on house/techno He's mentioning dubstep but his reference to sinister, late 90's D'n'B is way, way off!. That genre has as the only really new style succeded in blending all kinds of genres to devastating effect. Thanks to dubstep for sparkling new life into electronic music...:) On 10/10/07, Guilherme Menegon Arantes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 07:19:17PM +0100, robin wrote: As the subject says. http://www.de-bug.de/texte/5129.html Thanks for the tip Robin. The writer touches many points but does not go deep in any of them, so I am kind of unsure of what he was trying to say (other than that CC is the best). But, certainly there isn't much futurism in electronic music nowadays, maybe because it doesn't sell anymore. Ppl look a bit sick and tired of this technological rush, IMHO. My impression from the local gang of DJs/clubbers is that ppl is not really interested to know details about music as they used to be 10 years ago. They just want to have fun. (And I believe this has changed somewhat because music is so easy to get/ID/download nowadays). Perhaps, the free exchange of music that seems (hopefully) to be the way of the future will trigger some creative fusions. I am not sure how this mechanism will work for electronic music, since the live element is not really there (not yet, so maybe this is a clue for the future). So, when an acoustic/band musician benefits from releasing free music by getting more publicity/gigs, I am wondering if this will also work for the electronic act/DJ. The writer talks about South America a few times. I mostly agree with him, besides saying that Funk carioca is global. It is not a phenomenon here anymore (and was never in Sao Paulo, as the writer says), so faded away (thankfully) rather fast (as most over-hyped crap music does). He is also right when saying that getting vinyl is very hard/expensive here. It certainly has stopped local DJs of getting more recognition, but even nowadays with easily accessible downloads, there aren't many big players from SA (most of the guys who get well-know globally have left their home countries long before, e.g. Villalobos). So, I am inclined to say there is something extra (more cultural/social than technical) to this. Ok. Just my R$0,02. It was a nice reading, anyway. Greetings, G -- Guilherme Menegon Arantes, PhD São Paulo, Brasil __ -- Regards, Klaus Boss +4550413432 www.hifly.dk
Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology
Martin - what makes you certain of that (no pun intended)? On 10/10/07, robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love all that old bleep and bass stuff yet I don't seem to have grokked what dubstep is all about. I must be getting old. I guess I should listen to some dubstep. To make this discussion useful (for me at least :) ) can someone point me to 5 or 10 essential releases I should check out? thanks robin... In my minds ear I'm imagining Were Are Back or Im Am for Real on the Iration rig. 'ave a word Martin : ) -- Regards, Klaus Boss +4550413432 www.hifly.dk
RE: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology
Im not too hot on individual releases but check Placids mixes. Grievious Angels DubstepSufferah series, #3 was something else imo see here blog.grievousangel.net/ Oh the BenUFO mix one mentioned in Pauls blog is hot with its dubstep and UK garage towards the end. Rav -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2007 15:08 To: 313 List Subject: Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology I love all that old bleep and bass stuff yet I don't seem to have grokked what dubstep is all about. I must be getting old. I guess I should listen to some dubstep. To make this discussion useful (for me at least :) ) can someone point me to 5 or 10 essential releases I should check out? thanks robin... In my minds ear I'm imagining Were Are Back or Im Am for Real on the Iration rig. 'ave a word Martin : ) To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://disclaimer.leedsmet.ac.uk/email.htm
(313) 4x4? was (sort of an Interesting piece on house/techno)
Just a curious side note (question) - why did the name 4x4 come into being? It sounds like House music to me. I don't see enough difference between them to warrant yet another name for it. Is it just one generation not being around for it the first time and thinking they're onto something new? If so, someone should tell them MEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 10/10/2007 02:21:47 AM: It directly evolved from Grime and 4 X 4 ( 4 by 4). The Planet Mu take on Dubstep has some industrial overtones yes (Vex'd, Pinch etc.), but are you familiar with DMZ, Tempa and other warmer outlets? The sound is still as broad as it comes in my opinion. Let me once again point out that I love Detroit stuff (+ tonnes of other styles of electronic/non-electronic) since the early days and still buy those releases which somewhat manages to stand out :) As for sounding samey - well, do you honestly believe that the so-called Neo-Detroit offers something new except for better production? @ nuf si - does record sales proves quality now? ;) You all have a great day/night :) K On 10/10/07, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/9/07, klaus boss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're obviously everso entitled to your opinions :) But in what way other than the dubplate exclusives has Dubstep followed D'n'B? it went from a soulful sound that referenced jazz, r+b, hiphop, reggae, etc to a cold technical sound. it seriously is almost an exact parallel to jungle moving to techstep. and of course of hardcore moving to darkside. its just the path that UK dance genres seem to take. Yes, for being an innovative musical path (which D'n'B killed off for good around 96 and Detroit Techno is hardly any better there!!! although I'll love it to my deathbed for the amazing music that was created) i think detroit techno has maintained its goodness far better than DnB did. with jungle it just dropped off entirely. unless youre the most cold hearted cynic out there, if you were a fan of the original detroit techno records, you can still find records from detroit that you would like. Is it possibly due to an inborn dislike to something that actually evolves and why the hell should sampling be a problem in the process of being creative? :) i dont mind evolution. there is just a point where these UK genres quit being about creativity and things all start sounding samey and dark and boring. As a whole I'd say that DUBSTEP (stupid name, but I like it to be typed as big as possible ;) ) can be as much enjoyed at home as in a smoky, dark club. im just not too sure about that. Don't fear the future, embrace it. The Future Is Ours - Musto Bones i only fear the future if it sucks like dubstep. tom -- Regards, Klaus Boss +4550413432 www.hifly.dk
(313) garage... ? Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology
Although I've always been just fine with all the microgenres of house, techno, and IDM, this seems like a great opportunity to ask my remaining genre question: What the heck is garage in a non-American context? It seems that it refers to half a dozen pretty different styles. And again as an American, I feel that all your UK cultural context is lost on me. So what is it, in musical terms? -Gil Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC
RE: (313) garage... ? Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology
It's where you park your car when it's raining Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Gil Yaker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2007 16:07 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) garage... ? Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology Although I've always been just fine with all the microgenres of house, techno, and IDM, this seems like a great opportunity to ask my remaining genre question: What the heck is garage in a non-American context? It seems that it refers to half a dozen pretty different styles. And again as an American, I feel that all your UK cultural context is lost on me. So what is it, in musical terms? -Gil Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
Re: (313) RE: [Possible Spam] Re: (313) REMINDER: 313 list accepts only plain text messages
Again let me reiterate. 313 is a list where people write stuff to express themselves. A quick visit to any web forum where everyone's signature is a giant stupid JPG of Christopher Walken labeled MORE COWBELL should cure one of any desire to see media attachments on 313. And virtually every attachment type -- pictures, audio, etc -- has been a virus vector at some point in the past few years. Like I said, if you feel that 313 isn't an effective place for you to talk about 313 techno, get on Detroit Luv or some other forum. The fact that after a long period where artists shunned 313, some prominent people are creeping back in and contributing suggests to me that we're doing something right. On 10/10/07, Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is that a bad thing? From: Matt Kane's Brain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Oct 10, 2007, at 3:01 AM, Robert Taylor wrote: You can't send pics in plaintext, so why the preference for plain? So you can't send pics. :)
RE: (313) RE: [Possible Spam] Re: (313) REMINDER: 313 list accepts only plain text messages
So it's an anti-spam thing? Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2007 16:23 To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) RE: [Possible Spam] Re: (313) REMINDER: 313 list accepts only plain text messages Again let me reiterate. 313 is a list where people write stuff to express themselves. A quick visit to any web forum where everyone's signature is a giant stupid JPG of Christopher Walken labeled MORE COWBELL should cure one of any desire to see media attachments on 313. And virtually every attachment type -- pictures, audio, etc -- has been a virus vector at some point in the past few years. Like I said, if you feel that 313 isn't an effective place for you to talk about 313 techno, get on Detroit Luv or some other forum. The fact that after a long period where artists shunned 313, some prominent people are creeping back in and contributing suggests to me that we're doing something right. On 10/10/07, Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is that a bad thing? From: Matt Kane's Brain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Oct 10, 2007, at 3:01 AM, Robert Taylor wrote: You can't send pics in plaintext, so why the preference for plain? So you can't send pics. :) # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
Re: (313) RE: [Possible Spam] Re: (313) REMINDER: 313 list accepts only plain text messages
i think it's more of a simplicity thing and a 'keeping out the unncessary junk/cute graphics' thing. html emails can render pretty poorly in non-html clients unless the message is sent both ways by the email client and the receivers client or mail server can parse this down to the right type. any way around, i don't think it's going to change from plain text here anytime soon. -nick On 10/10/07, Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So it's an anti-spam thing? Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2007 16:23 To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) RE: [Possible Spam] Re: (313) REMINDER: 313 list accepts only plain text messages Again let me reiterate. 313 is a list where people write stuff to express themselves. A quick visit to any web forum where everyone's signature is a giant stupid JPG of Christopher Walken labeled MORE COWBELL should cure one of any desire to see media attachments on 313. And virtually every attachment type -- pictures, audio, etc -- has been a virus vector at some point in the past few years. Like I said, if you feel that 313 isn't an effective place for you to talk about 313 techno, get on Detroit Luv or some other forum. The fact that after a long period where artists shunned 313, some prominent people are creeping back in and contributing suggests to me that we're doing something right. On 10/10/07, Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is that a bad thing? From: Matt Kane's Brain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Oct 10, 2007, at 3:01 AM, Robert Taylor wrote: You can't send pics in plaintext, so why the preference for plain? So you can't send pics. :) # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
Re: (313) RE: [Possible Spam] Re: (313) REMINDER: 313 list accepts only plain text messages
Not really; it's an anti-idiot thing. On 10/10/07, Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So it's an anti-spam thing?
Re: (313) 4x4? was (sort of an Interesting piece on house/techno)
Kids, you can't tell them anything. ;-) Though I must say that I've made mixes for my son that have made the rounds amongst his peer group... One of the strangest sensations of the past few years was seeing my son's band covering Pixies and Sonic Youth tracks he first heard as a toddler, riding around with me in his carseat... On 10/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a curious side note (question) - why did the name 4x4 come into being? It sounds like House music to me. I don't see enough difference between them to warrant yet another name for it. Is it just one generation not being around for it the first time and thinking they're onto something new? If so, someone should tell them
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(313) fat cat
just came across an old plastic fat cat shop bag you think i should put it on ebay?
Re: (313) garage... ? Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_garage On 10 Oct 2007, at 16:06, Gil Yaker wrote: Although I've always been just fine with all the microgenres of house, techno, and IDM, this seems like a great opportunity to ask my remaining genre question: What the heck is garage in a non-American context? It seems that it refers to half a dozen pretty different styles. And again as an American, I feel that all your UK cultural context is lost on me. So what is it, in musical terms? -Gil __ __ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC
Re: (313) Re: Interesting piece on house/techno
Back in the early 90s when Chris Farley was alive and doing hilarious work on Saturday Night Live, some of my Seattle friends were making what they claimed was Farley House. Not, in their minds, anything to do with the other Farley from Chicago. Farley house involved fat analog bass, huge hard kicks, and scratchy distorted percussion, usually 808 through an Electroharmonix Microsynth, jammed out live with mixer mutes and the Roland beatboxes in write mode. I need to dig some of it out, it was pretty nice. On 10/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No it's not, Shoomping House is. I'm stealing that name from the article and making it mine. You'll all be dancing to Shoomping House in '08! ;-)
RE: (313) UK garage... ?
Gil, re : UK Garage See Logan Soma's post about half way down the page . . http://www.dissensus.com/showthread.php?t=13page=4 Rav. -Original Message- From: Emile Facey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2007 16:43 To: Gil Yaker Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) garage... ? Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_garage On 10 Oct 2007, at 16:06, Gil Yaker wrote: Although I've always been just fine with all the microgenres of house, techno, and IDM, this seems like a great opportunity to ask my remaining genre question: What the heck is garage in a non-American context? It seems that it refers to half a dozen pretty different styles. And again as an American, I feel that all your UK cultural context is lost on me. So what is it, in musical terms? -Gil __ __ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://disclaimer.leedsmet.ac.uk/email.htm
(313) Ultramarine/Carl Craig 'Hooter' video
Hi, In case anyone here is interested, the promo video from 1994 for the Carl Craig remix of 'Hooter' has been reclaimed from VHS and is now on the Ultramarine MySpace site: http://www.myspace.com/ulmarine Cheers, Paul
Re: (313) REMINDER: 313 list accepts only plain text messages
So whose watch will it be... -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2007 16:43 To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) RE: [Possible Spam] Re: (313) REMINDER: 313 list accepts only plain text messages NOT ON MY WATCH *pounds aluminum walker on floor for emphasis* On 10/10/07, Nick Breinich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: any way around, i don't think it's going to change from plain text here anytime soon. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.6/1061 - Release Date: 10/10/2007 08:43 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.6/1061 - Release Date: 10/10/2007 08:43
Re: (313) Re: Interesting piece on house/techno
But in what way other than the dubplate exclusives has Dubstep followed D'n'B? rhythm/mood...they're in the same boat Yes, for being an innovative musical path (which D'n'B killed off for good around 96 and Detroit Techno is hardly any better there!!! although I'll love it to my deathbed for the amazing music that was created) i totally disagree. this is just semantics about genre names here, but dubstep is a very stylized genre ie very specific style of beat, bassline, mood, bpm etc. detroit techno is much broader category that has more to do with soul/character than any specific sound -- it takes in a very broad spectrum of styles, it is only the soul/character and subtle styles of melody/rhythm that define the genre. and innovation is mostly a concept for naive music fans and annoying techno nerds. innovation is in the same boat as originality, ie it doesn't really exist objectively, it's totally subjective. Is it possibly due to an inborn dislike to something that actually evolves and why the hell should sampling be a problem in the process of being creative? :) As a whole I'd say that DUBSTEP (stupid name, but I like it to be typed as big as possible ;) ) can be as much enjoyed at home as in a smoky, dark club. Don't fear the future, embrace it. The Future Is Ours - Musto Bones On 10/10/07, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dubstep is the stupidest genre name yet. and thats saying a lot, when speaking within the context of electronic music. - Original Message - From: klaus boss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Guilherme Menegon Arantes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 Org 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 8:06 PM Subject: Re: (313) Re: Interesting piece on house/techno He's mentioning dubstep but his reference to sinister, late 90's D'n'B is way, way off!. That genre has as the only really new style succeded in blending all kinds of genres to devastating effect. Thanks to dubstep for sparkling new life into electronic music...:) On 10/10/07, Guilherme Menegon Arantes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 07:19:17PM +0100, robin wrote: As the subject says. http://www.de-bug.de/texte/5129.html Thanks for the tip Robin. The writer touches many points but does not go deep in any of them, so I am kind of unsure of what he was trying to say (other than that CC is the best). But, certainly there isn't much futurism in electronic music nowadays, maybe because it doesn't sell anymore. Ppl look a bit sick and tired of this technological rush, IMHO. My impression from the local gang of DJs/clubbers is that ppl is not really interested to know details about music as they used to be 10 years ago. They just want to have fun. (And I believe this has changed somewhat because music is so easy to get/ID/download nowadays). Perhaps, the free exchange of music that seems (hopefully) to be the way of the future will trigger some creative fusions. I am not sure how this mechanism will work for electronic music, since the live element is not really there (not yet, so maybe this is a clue for the future). So, when an acoustic/band musician benefits from releasing free music by getting more publicity/gigs, I am wondering if this will also work for the electronic act/DJ. The writer talks about South America a few times. I mostly agree with him, besides saying that Funk carioca is global. It is not a phenomenon here anymore (and was never in Sao Paulo, as the writer says), so faded away (thankfully) rather fast (as most over-hyped crap music does). He is also right when saying that getting vinyl is very hard/expensive here. It certainly has stopped local DJs of getting more recognition, but even nowadays with easily accessible downloads, there aren't many big players from SA (most of the guys who get well-know globally have left their home countries long before, e.g. Villalobos). So, I am inclined to say there is something extra (more cultural/social than technical) to this. Ok. Just my R$0,02. It was a nice reading, anyway. Greetings, G -- Guilherme Menegon Arantes, PhD São Paulo, Brasil __ -- Regards, Klaus Boss +4550413432 www.hifly.dk -- Regards, Klaus Boss +4550413432 www.hifly.dk
Re: (313) REMINDER: 313 list accepts only plain text messages
Every time the 313 admin changes, they can decide how things go. I have no plans to resign any time soon? Can we stop talking about this now? On 10/10/07, The Archiver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So whose watch will it be... -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2007 16:43 To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) RE: [Possible Spam] Re: (313) REMINDER: 313 list accepts only plain text messages NOT ON MY WATCH *pounds aluminum walker on floor for emphasis* On 10/10/07, Nick Breinich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: any way around, i don't think it's going to change from plain text here anytime soon. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.6/1061 - Release Date: 10/10/2007 08:43 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.6/1061 - Release Date: 10/10/2007 08:43
Re: (313) moebius documentary
hey anya and jeff and toby and paul, thanks for the tip! i'm a huge moebius fan and am eager to see this...cool that bartos did the music too! i don't know if heavy metal stuff is exactly sexist, but some of it might be construed as demeaning. i'm not arguing. my family is friends with r crumb and my sister works in the comic art business, and sometimes i go to comic conventions etc -- it's a different world, and the attitude is not sexist even tho it may appear so to outsiders. as far as moebius goes, he is certainly not sexist. he frequently plays with gender and androgynous themes in the stuff he writes...very open-minded. jt On 10/2/07, Anya K Stang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The documentary's called Moebius Redux - A Life in Pictures. Aired on BBC 4 last week. Great stuff, reminded me of all the Heavy Metal issues I devoured back then. Bit of a guilty pleasure because as a feminist I thought (and still think) that they're pretty sexist. Oi, no argument on this please! ; ) Great art though, admittedly. Music by Karl Bartos, as Toby said. Anya On 29 Sep 2007, at 15:23, theREALmxyzptlk wrote: Could you be a bit more specific concerning the title, please? Thanks. jeff pauley wrote: Howdy. I saw a Moebius doco (2006) a few days ago, soundtrack by Ralf Hutter. Pretty amazing stuff. Does anyone know if it: s released, can be bouvght etc?
Re: (313) Re: Interesting piece on house/techno
Disagree completely - but that would be a surprise if I didn't. I also see a rhythm pattern not to far away from Electro and Hip-Hop and that's not due to the major usage of 808 drums. Every genre style has certain characterics and IMO Dubstep has variations just as Detroit Techno does. I'm talking about that Detroit Techno hardly has developed (nothing about pigeonholing it as a narrow, specific genre) but that's my subjective opinion. Wasn't stuff like Mantronix - Bassline innovative in it's context of how the 303 was used with familiar elements from Kurtis Mantronix? I think it's quite misplaced to use the nerd/techno purist tag here, but well we just look at things differently. On 10/10/07, JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But in what way other than the dubplate exclusives has Dubstep followed D'n'B? rhythm/mood...they're in the same boat Yes, for being an innovative musical path (which D'n'B killed off for good around 96 and Detroit Techno is hardly any better there!!! although I'll love it to my deathbed for the amazing music that was created) i totally disagree. this is just semantics about genre names here, but dubstep is a very stylized genre ie very specific style of beat, bassline, mood, bpm etc. detroit techno is much broader category that has more to do with soul/character than any specific sound -- it takes in a very broad spectrum of styles, it is only the soul/character and subtle styles of melody/rhythm that define the genre. and innovation is mostly a concept for naive music fans and annoying techno nerds. innovation is in the same boat as originality, ie it doesn't really exist objectively, it's totally subjective. Is it possibly due to an inborn dislike to something that actually evolves and why the hell should sampling be a problem in the process of being creative? :) As a whole I'd say that DUBSTEP (stupid name, but I like it to be typed as big as possible ;) ) can be as much enjoyed at home as in a smoky, dark club. Don't fear the future, embrace it. The Future Is Ours - Musto Bones On 10/10/07, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dubstep is the stupidest genre name yet. and thats saying a lot, when speaking within the context of electronic music. - Original Message - From: klaus boss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Guilherme Menegon Arantes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 Org 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 8:06 PM Subject: Re: (313) Re: Interesting piece on house/techno He's mentioning dubstep but his reference to sinister, late 90's D'n'B is way, way off!. That genre has as the only really new style succeded in blending all kinds of genres to devastating effect. Thanks to dubstep for sparkling new life into electronic music...:) On 10/10/07, Guilherme Menegon Arantes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 07:19:17PM +0100, robin wrote: As the subject says. http://www.de-bug.de/texte/5129.html Thanks for the tip Robin. The writer touches many points but does not go deep in any of them, so I am kind of unsure of what he was trying to say (other than that CC is the best). But, certainly there isn't much futurism in electronic music nowadays, maybe because it doesn't sell anymore. Ppl look a bit sick and tired of this technological rush, IMHO. My impression from the local gang of DJs/clubbers is that ppl is not really interested to know details about music as they used to be 10 years ago. They just want to have fun. (And I believe this has changed somewhat because music is so easy to get/ID/download nowadays). Perhaps, the free exchange of music that seems (hopefully) to be the way of the future will trigger some creative fusions. I am not sure how this mechanism will work for electronic music, since the live element is not really there (not yet, so maybe this is a clue for the future). So, when an acoustic/band musician benefits from releasing free music by getting more publicity/gigs, I am wondering if this will also work for the electronic act/DJ. The writer talks about South America a few times. I mostly agree with him, besides saying that Funk carioca is global. It is not a phenomenon here anymore (and was never in Sao Paulo, as the writer says), so faded away (thankfully) rather fast (as most over-hyped crap music does). He is also right when saying that getting vinyl is very hard/expensive here. It certainly has stopped local DJs of getting more recognition, but even nowadays with easily accessible downloads, there aren't many big players from SA (most of the guys who get well-know globally have left their home countries long before, e.g. Villalobos). So, I am inclined to say there is something extra (more cultural/social than technical) to this. Ok.
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Will you step into the boat or will you be thrown in, Mr. Bligh? ;-) kidding Kent - you're doing a fine job - sail on! MEK kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 10/10/2007 11:49:11 AM: Every time the 313 admin changes, they can decide how things go. I have no plans to resign any time soon? Can we stop talking about this now? On 10/10/07, The Archiver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So whose watch will it be... -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2007 16:43 To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) RE: [Possible Spam] Re: (313) REMINDER: 313 list accepts only plain text messages NOT ON MY WATCH *pounds aluminum walker on floor for emphasis* On 10/10/07, Nick Breinich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: any way around, i don't think it's going to change from plain text here anytime soon. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.6/1061 - Release Date: 10/10/2007 08:43 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.6/1061 - Release Date: 10/10/2007 08:43
Re: (313) Re: Interesting piece on house/techno
On 10/10/07, klaus boss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It directly evolved from Grime and 4 X 4 ( 4 by 4). The Planet Mu take on Dubstep has some industrial overtones yes (Vex'd, Pinch etc.), but are you familiar with DMZ, Tempa and other warmer outlets? i was buying tempa records in '00. i have all the early horsepower records, many old el-b and groove chronicles cuts, etc etc. when the music was good, i bought it and i was a huge fan. As for sounding samey - well, do you honestly believe that the so-called Neo-Detroit offers something new except for better production? what is neo-detroit? kevin reynolds is awesome detroit techno from right now. so is mr. de. if you think they have nothing to offer aside from better production, i dont know what to tell you. tom
Re: (313) Re: Interesting piece on house/techno
I also see a rhythm pattern not to far away from Electro and Hip-Hop and that's not due to the major usage of 808 drums. that's easy to see, yes. Every genre style has certain characterics and IMO Dubstep has variations just as Detroit Techno does. I'm talking about that Detroit the variations are of a different scale. there are way more specific stylistic conventions involved in what makes dubstep dubstep than in what makes detroit techno detroit techno. i don't think this is subjective. dubstep is a much more narrowly defined genre, which is what i mean by stylized. the beat has to be a certain way, the basslines are all very similar, the bpm's..it's all very specific. detroit techno is not. Techno hardly has developed (nothing about pigeonholing it as a narrow, specific genre) but that's my subjective opinion. sorry, that's ridiculous tunnel-vision and an over-emphasis on genre names without looking deeper. of course techno has evolved. it evolved into jungle, it evolved into dubstep, it evolved into loads of things. anytime anything evolves it's given a new genre name. it is a total contradiction to expect detroit techno to become something radically different and still be called detroit techno. if this was the case, we wouldn't even call it detroit techno in the first place, we'd call it chicago house, except maybe we wouldn't call it chicago house, we'd call it disco, etc etc. Wasn't stuff like Mantronix - Bassline innovative in it's context of how the 303 was used with familiar elements from Kurtis Mantronix? subjectively, sure. i wouldn't argue with that. it was a subtle thing though, and only recognizable in retrospect. you really can't even argue something was innovative until it has some time to gestate. I think it's quite misplaced to use the nerd/techno purist tag here, but well we just look at things differently. check out discogs, read the comments by pretentious techno nerds who are critical of anything they don't see as innovative, these people are morons if you ask me. fad chasers.
Re: (313) Re: Interesting piece on house/techno
sorry, that's ridiculous tunnel-vision and an over-emphasis on genre names without looking deeper. of course techno has evolved. it evolved into jungle, it evolved into dubstep, it evolved into loads of things. anytime anything evolves it's given a new genre name. it is a total contradiction to expect detroit techno to become something radically different and still be called detroit techno. if this was the case, we wouldn't even call it detroit techno in the first place, we'd call it chicago house, except maybe we wouldn't call it chicago house, we'd call it disco, etc etc. Really, you talk to someone old enough and they do call it all disco. Genres serve to break down and isolate - what can be played with what, what can't be played with what. It's a marketing tool. funny that at one time a style of dance music derived its name from the style of dance you did to it is it not about the dancer anymore? first time I heard the word 2-step I immediately thought it referred to a way that someone was moving on the floor turns out they still danced the same to 2-step as they did to house (as they did to disco) oh well... MEK
Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology
On Wed, Oct 10, 2007 at 12:21:57PM +0100, Toby Frith wrote: Emile and I used to shop at Big Apple in Croydon, and it's interesting seeing all the little whippersnappers who populated the shop in the days when you could buy a Chain Reaction record in there (the shop changed hands a few years ago) now being big names in this genre, such as Benga and Hatcha (real name Terry). Arthur Smith, who recorded as Grain, is one of the key influences in this techno element. His Red EP is still my favourite record... John Kennedy might have made so much money from selling the shop (and the Big Apple label stock) that he has been travelling the world (mostly South America) for a couple of years. The two last carnivals he stayed with me in SP before going to Rio (and he promissed to do it again next year). Nice bloke and one of my best friends from the UK. BTW, has anyone tried a dubstep + samba fusion??? :-) http://www.discogs.com/release/82528 I have that one for sale if anyone is interested. It is big, IMHO. As was the followin Benga on Big Apple. G -- Guilherme Menegon Arantes, PhD São Paulo, Brasil __
Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology
On 10/10/07, Guilherme Menegon Arantes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Kennedy might have made so much money from selling the shop (and the Big Apple label stock) that he has been travelling the world (mostly South America) for a couple of years. The two last carnivals he stayed with me in SP before going to Rio (and he promissed to do it again next year). Nice bloke and one of my best friends from the UK. didnt he also own the rights to daniel bedingfield's gotta get thru this when it was a white label coming out of big apple, long before it was a pop hit? tom
Re: (313) fat cat
i have an old silverfish plastic bag. should i do the same? it has a length of my hair in it, from 93 On 10 Oct 2007, at 16:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just came across an old plastic fat cat shop bag you think i should put it on ebay?
RE: (313) Detroit Techno Quiz
I only got 16/20 on that one (I mean the Manchester one, I didn't even try the Detroit one, it looked well 'ard). Mind that's better than you as it looks from the link like you got 0 (just a joke to point out the link pointed at answers not question - I didn't peek, honest). There wasn't one for Appleby or Cumbria surprisingly. -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 October 2007 09:54 try this one... http://www.funtrivia.com/playquiz/quiz45276531c28.html 6/15. I'm amazed I got that many. Detroiter's that scoff can try this abot where I'm sat: http://www.funtrivia.com/submitquiz.cfm?quiz=222859
(313) R.I.P. Rob Deacon (Abstract/Sweatbox/Volume/Trance Europe Express)
Rob Deacon has died aged 42 in a canoeing accident. The Guardian has Rob's obituary today: http://www.guardian.co.uk/obituaries/story/0,,2187245,00.html Who's he then? you might ask. Abstract Magazine? Sweatbox Records? Volume? Trance Europe Express? Trance Atlantic Express? (You know - the one with all that Detroit Techno on it) I owned something from nearly every incarnation Rob had a hand in. While I never knew who he was, he had a huge influence on my musical taste for a good 10 years or more, without me even knowing it. His own musical taste evolution clearly followed my own - brothers in timeline, as it were. R.I.P. Rob. Thanks for all the music.. - Greg
Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology
Yep, gotta get thru this was a big apple production I think. How many weeks was that at number 1? On 10 Oct 2007, at 19:39, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: On 10/10/07, Guilherme Menegon Arantes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Kennedy might have made so much money from selling the shop (and the Big Apple label stock) that he has been travelling the world (mostly South America) for a couple of years. The two last carnivals he stayed with me in SP before going to Rio (and he promissed to do it again next year). Nice bloke and one of my best friends from the UK. didnt he also own the rights to daniel bedingfield's gotta get thru this when it was a white label coming out of big apple, long before it was a pop hit? tom
Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology
Do you remember the crummy made in his bedroom back-story they invented for it's release - jesh Emile Facey wrote: Yep, gotta get thru this was a big apple production I think. How many weeks was that at number 1?
Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology
On 10/10/07, Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you remember the crummy made in his bedroom back-story they invented for it's release - jesh wasnt it done in the big apple studios? the version on their white label 12 is definitely different from the one that came out on Reckless, which i believe is the same as the one that got put out on his major label album. tom
Re: (313) Re: Dubstep Geneology
Yeah, no idea which one of them wrote it tho :) I remember seeing him talking about how he'd written and recorded it in his bedroom on some tv program Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: On 10/10/07, Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you remember the crummy made in his bedroom back-story they invented for it's release - jesh wasnt it done in the big apple studios? the version on their white label 12 is definitely different from the one that came out on Reckless, which i believe is the same as the one that got put out on his major label album. tom
Re: (313) Ultramarine/Carl Craig 'Hooter' video
loving this. I got the mtv detroit special on vhs which I intend to digitize some day ... which features this ,, any many more yummy jams. I just need to pull my thumb out .. . *** email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] aim: [EMAIL PROTECTED] yahoo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] googletalk: erasemusic icq: 344917989 cell: +46(0)709-707781 www.myspace.com/djerase *** On 10 okt 2007, at 18.31, Paul Hammond wrote: Hi, In case anyone here is interested, the promo video from 1994 for the Carl Craig remix of 'Hooter' has been reclaimed from VHS and is now on the Ultramarine MySpace site: http://www.myspace.com/ulmarine Cheers, Paul
Re: (313) Ultramarine/Carl Craig 'Hooter' video
i love it too, thanks paul (+ yo) -- the classic style animation is super, and all the filmed stuff. pretty classy. would love to see the mtv detroit special.. On 10/10/07, Daniel Troberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: loving this. I got the mtv detroit special on vhs which I intend to digitize some day ... which features this ,, any many more yummy jams. I just need to pull my thumb out .. . *** email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] aim: [EMAIL PROTECTED] yahoo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] googletalk: erasemusic icq: 344917989 cell: +46(0)709-707781 www.myspace.com/djerase *** On 10 okt 2007, at 18.31, Paul Hammond wrote: Hi, In case anyone here is interested, the promo video from 1994 for the Carl Craig remix of 'Hooter' has been reclaimed from VHS and is now on the Ultramarine MySpace site: http://www.myspace.com/ulmarine Cheers, Paul
Re: (313) fat cat
Worth a go I reckon - see what happens. On 10 Oct 2007, at 16:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just came across an old plastic fat cat shop bag you think i should put it on ebay?
(313) 'The Vault' - Sep. 26, 2007 feat. Trevor Wilkes
News and other info can be found at the bottom of this message. The last four programs are always archived online. Visit www.antonbanks.com to hear them. Many thanks to Trevor Wilkes for contributing this set. For information about him, please visit www.fun-in-the-murky.com. Planned guests for the next few weeks: October 10, 2007 - Dirtybird (www.volatl.com, www.italobusiness.com) TBD - Mark-Henning Sargent (www.traumschallplatten.de, www.foundsoundrecords.com) TBD - Neil Landstrumm (www.scandinavianyc.com) TBD - Adam Jay (www.internal-error.com, www.myspace.com/azurerecords) CLICK THE LINK TO HEAR THE SHOW http://www.antonbanks.com/audio/the_vault_09-26-07.mp3 Tracklist: The Black Dog, Cost I, Temple of Transparent Balls, Soma Leo Rosa, Cracked Ready, Design EP, Yore Vector Lovers, Piano Du(b)st, Piano Dust, Soma Minimal Cadets, Ghost Transmission, Solar Wind, Multicolor Rick Wade, World Voice, Night Tactics, Yore Slam, Azure (SLS Remix), Soma Set by Trevor Wilkes - www.fun-in-the-murky.com The Vault Mix Recorded at Fun in the Murky Headquarters on Monday September 3rd, 2007 for Anton Banks' Radio Show Web-Site. Tracklist: 01 - Unknown The Touch Step 02 - Tomas Nordstrom Take My Leave Don't Recordings 07 [Rumpus Room Vol. ] 03 - Unknown Untitled Klangnet B 04 - Quick'n'Smart Firewater Don't Recordings 06 [Phlokkerbrained] 05 - Youngman Landstrumm Rasta Snail Scandinvia 20 [Shot At Dawn EP] 06 - TSR Chikidichikacke Kitty Corner Records 04 [Smockan Flyger Pa Stnky EP] 07 - Paul Birken Tube Crop Tonewrecker 01 [Wire Stutters EP] 08 - Mark Hawkins Frequency Response Input-Output 15 [13 years Of Raving Ep] 09 - Tomas Nordstrom Unknown Membrane Recordings 02 [We Were Acid EP] 10 - Neil Landstrumm Blam The Target Peacefrog 44 [Inhabit The Machines EP] 11 - Millsart Step To Enchantment Axis 04 [Mecca EP] 12 - Unknown Feelin' Acid K.B. Records 203 [Feelin' Acid EP] 13 - Dibu-Z Stomb Raider Mutter Tontrager 17 14 - Neil Landstrumm Vs. Dj Slip Rebaked Cake 1 Missile LP02 [Launches 2 LP] 15 - Jerome Hill Shticklebrix Kugelbox 05 [Crash Course Pt 4 EP] 16 - Quick'n'Smart Heinzyphos (ShthauzRmx) Coin Operated 02 [The Knights Of The Wrong Table EP] 17 - Michael Forshaw Klamz Of Westworld SMB Records 17 [Blackpool Rock EP] 18 - Quick'n'Smart Boister Miditonal 09 [Amplify The Force Vol. 5 EP] 19 - NDK Any Questions? Kugelbox 04 [Crash Course Pt 3 EP] 20 - aL.X.e Kidding Bernard's Haircut Recordings 03 [Mullet 03 EP] Recloose, Four Ways of Saying Goodbye, Spelunking, Planet-E --- About the show: The Vault airs every other Wednesday night from 9:30 pm until 11:00 am (21:30 to 23:00 US Eastern Time = GMT -5:00) on 88.1 FM WESU. The station's 1500 watt signal can be heard from as far north as Springfield, MA to as far south as Long Island, NY. WESU also broadcasts via the internet. Visit the station's website www.wesufm.org for the details. In addition to hosting this radio program, I am a freelance DJ and occasionally write record reviews. I welcome any questions, suggestions, or comments. Please feel free to respond to this message (www.antonbanks.com/email.html) or visit my website for more information. *** I appreciate all promotional music sent to me and will never sell any of it online or anywhere else. All promotional material sent to me is aired on my show as well as used in my DJ sets when I play out.
(313) Marc Houle: Techno Vocals
http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF284632-01-01-01.mp3 Is Houle being serious here? It's like being meta-jaded, I can't possibly wrap my head around this kind of thing. It's like making fun of yourself for making fun of yourself, and then laughing at everyone else for listening to you do it. Or making a trite techno song about how trite people think techno is? My brain hurts. From the Minus website: On Techno Vocals (as with all Houle productions) each sound is perfectly realised, commanding its own space with metronomic discipline. The rigid drum patterns, analogue explosions, regimented snare rolls, laser guided effects and delayed bleeps interact with supreme efficiency, while the arrangement is mapped out with cool, calculated intent. The result is a totally robust example of A-grade techno that's really brought to life by the self-referential, pitched down vocal hook! Not trying to be entirely negative, it just seems like a case of being too cool for school and then taking it to some strange other level. The result is a totally robust example of A-grade techno that's really brought to life by the self-referential, pitched down vocal hook! They can't really be serious about that, can they? Just curious if anyone has an opinion about this kind of thing. -Art
Re: (313) Marc Houle: Techno Vocals
It's on M_nus, don't think too hard or long about it. MEK Arturo Lopez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 10/10/2007 07:42:38 PM: http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF284632-01-01-01.mp3 Is Houle being serious here? It's like being meta-jaded, I can't possibly wrap my head around this kind of thing. It's like making fun of yourself for making fun of yourself, and then laughing at everyone else for listening to you do it. Or making a trite techno song about how trite people think techno is? My brain hurts. From the Minus website: On Techno Vocals (as with all Houle productions) each sound is perfectly realised, commanding its own space with metronomic discipline. The rigid drum patterns, analogue explosions, regimented snare rolls, laser guided effects and delayed bleeps interact with supreme efficiency, while the arrangement is mapped out with cool, calculated intent. The result is a totally robust example of A-grade techno that's really brought to life by the self-referential, pitched down vocal hook! Not trying to be entirely negative, it just seems like a case of being too cool for school and then taking it to some strange other level. The result is a totally robust example of A-grade techno that's really brought to life by the self-referential, pitched down vocal hook! They can't really be serious about that, can they? Just curious if anyone has an opinion about this kind of thing. -Art
Re: (313) Marc Houle: Techno Vocals
whats wrong with minus? they've had a couple good years here, in 2006-07 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Arturo Lopez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:45 PM Subject: Re: (313) Marc Houle: Techno Vocals It's on M_nus, don't think too hard or long about it. MEK Arturo Lopez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 10/10/2007 07:42:38 PM: http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF284632-01-01-01.mp3 Is Houle being serious here? It's like being meta-jaded, I can't possibly wrap my head around this kind of thing. It's like making fun of yourself for making fun of yourself, and then laughing at everyone else for listening to you do it. Or making a trite techno song about how trite people think techno is? My brain hurts. From the Minus website: On Techno Vocals (as with all Houle productions) each sound is perfectly realised, commanding its own space with metronomic discipline. The rigid drum patterns, analogue explosions, regimented snare rolls, laser guided effects and delayed bleeps interact with supreme efficiency, while the arrangement is mapped out with cool, calculated intent. The result is a totally robust example of A-grade techno that's really brought to life by the self-referential, pitched down vocal hook! Not trying to be entirely negative, it just seems like a case of being too cool for school and then taking it to some strange other level. The result is a totally robust example of A-grade techno that's really brought to life by the self-referential, pitched down vocal hook! They can't really be serious about that, can they? Just curious if anyone has an opinion about this kind of thing. -Art
Re: (313) fat cat
If you put it, I will also auction my Fat Cat sticker that they sent me back in '93... It is the cat logo, in black. Oh, and if you have got one of theirs first t-shirt (the one with the telephone in front and fat cat records in the back, blue dotted ink in blue cotton), I can pay top-dollar for that! (which I can easily gain back by auctioning my Axis chocolate coin)... ;-) G On Thu, Oct 11, 2007 at 12:13:33AM +0100, Dan Bean wrote: Worth a go I reckon - see what happens. On 10 Oct 2007, at 16:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just came across an old plastic fat cat shop bag you think i should put it on ebay? -- Guilherme Menegon Arantes, PhD São Paulo, Brasil __
(313) Moodymann on Gilles Peterson Worldwide
Funny lil chat. Yours online for a whole 7 days: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/gillespeterson/index.shtml
Re: RE: (313) Detroit Techno Quiz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I only got 16/20 on that one (I mean the Manchester one, I didn't even try the Detroit one, it looked well 'ard). Mind that's better than you as it looks from the link like you got 0 (just a joke to point out the link pointed at answers not question - I didn't peek, honest). There wasn't one for Appleby or Cumbria surprisingly. -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 October 2007 09:54 try this one... http://www.funtrivia.com/playquiz/quiz45276531c28.html 6/15. I'm amazed I got that many. Detroiter's that scoff can try this abot where I'm sat: http://www.funtrivia.com/submitquiz.cfm?quiz=222859 I got 7 out of 20 on the Manc quiz ... without even cheating with Google ;) (Should've remembered the Strangeways riots date and the IRA bombing. Damned Alzheimer's! No honorary Mancunian status for me.) I only got 10 out of 15 on the Detroit test, however. Am I allowed to come back to the Festival next year? :-( - Greg
