RE: (313) re: Kwame OT
So back to the thread topic, I just had lunch with one of kwame's childhood friends that lives here in the A. I wanted to hear something better about the situation from someone close to the source. turns out, it's MAD bad. Kwame, the girl he had an affair with AND her husband, were all childhood friends. So there was a bit of personal wackness going on as well. I asked my friend how he felt about the sitch and he said, basically kwame blew it. He got comfortable and let the position go to his head. Like when you feel very important and you act untouchable, then when things begin to touch you, you do things outside of your morals (usually called doing what I gotta do by those engaged) to try to maintain the illusion for fear it may crumble your image (meanwhile doing a great job of that all by yourself). And as is the norm in those situations, you're the last one to realize how bad you blew it. Usually it's too late to fix it. I could care less about the location of your dong, but fxcking your friends over (and their wives) is never forgive action where I'm from. Sucks. Kayess news network (KNN) Where you hear the real ish first! P.S. I hope this isn't inappropriate or offends anyone. If so let me know and I'll make a public 313 apology (hey, it's a sensitive subject).
RE: (313) relax re: demf
From what I know, certain people in Detroit with influence already expressed their views (ie take a break this year and plan carefully) and Paxahau chose to go on. These people are still supportive of Paxahau, which is great. Yeah, but they live there, which means they can give support by simply having the right attitude and saying a few words to other POI. Being a person of influence means they probably won't pay a dime to get in either. Support by a guy from London means plane tickets, hotels, attitude, and much more effort. Ask yourself, if these people of influence would fly across an ocean to come to this festival on their own hard earned dime after having their views disregarded. Bet not. n turn, I just feel we should now be at least be supportive of axahau, rather than write off and whinge about everything. If you eel so strongly about the steps they have taken, why not just write o them directly? Being a person of distinct non-influence in Detroit, I have a hard time seeing the logic in that given the disregard for others they've already displayed. And as Tom said, not my job. If the community on the ground in Detroit is being supportive, then at least we should be too. Never really been a bandwagon type. I got my own head. We should be writing about the things we are excited to see in Detroit, rather than the things we don't want to see. Bullshxt. We write about what we like and dislike. It just so happens that there're more things to dislike every year. That sucks and I think it needs to be said. Can you give me a few things that you like about this years festival that were not there before? Go on, think about it. Any new sick Detroit talent that never got exposed? Cool new directions? New concepts for stages? ...Thought not. Now how about new things that suck? Yep got the list rolling out like toilet paper. Kamal I can't believe I just replied to this thread again Stoddard
RE: (313) re: Kwame OT
I agree. I was in awe for a couple seconds and am still thinking about the very real possibilities that were just put forth. Thanks for that post. I didn't know that. Tight. k -Original Message- From: Thor Teague [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 12:05 PM To: list 313 Cc: kent williams; Odeluga, Ken Subject: Re: (313) re: Kwame OT Reading this I realize it's been quite a while since I've heard anyone speak hopefully about the future and simultaneously realistically about the present, which is refreshing and has significantly more to do with Detroit Techno and all motown music than any other discussion currently in progress on the 313 list. It's not the same as Clinton's impeachment because of a whole string of reasons. Starting with 2 girls are dead, policemen were fired because they were trying to investigate the deaths, and then Kwame pushed the city into a lawsuit that cost the city more than $8mil during a trial where he was lying about the facts even before it even went to trial. I mean, if he really cared about the city, then he wouldn't have forced the city to pay $8mil+ for something that he was knowingly committing perjury for. Whatever the case, NPR and a number of other media stations are utilizing this Detroit political fight as a reference to the national US political mess we are experiencing in the presidential office. If you listened to NPR the day the Detroit news was announced, they spent the morning talking about Kwame, and they spent the afternoon taking callers who wanted to remember their loved ones who died in the Iraq war. People were making comments about how after Suddham was hanged, it should have been Bush and Chaney in the electric chair for the wrongdoings they've done. This went on for a few hours, with people talking about how the President and VP need to be impeached and tried for their war crimes. Symbolic. Detroit has a powerful effect on the globe. This trial with Kwame just may lead into the trial of the nations biggest criminals, Bush and Chaney. I think the world will be watching closely on this one. I hope this Detroit mess fuels the nations ability to get a trial together against Bush and Chaney, who have cost the nation billions in a war that was started from their lies. My 2 cents...
RE: (313) Josh Wink @ Movment 08
Posh-a-house Demf 08? Fully over it. I think I'll unsub till it's over to save myself some pain. Fxcking girl talk?! ...whatevs... k -Original Message- From: diana potts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 3:21 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Josh Wink @ Movment 08 *braces self* I haven't seen Josh Wink play lately, but his music is not exactly a motivator. I completely admire what Josh built in Philly in the past with others. maybe Josh Wink battling it up live with Carl Craig. No preprogrammed weapons- just two men, turntables and some buttons. love from glasgow, d --- Michael Kuszynski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: iny dont they just call it ultra. On 3/25/08, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 12:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: saw it on another message board and checked his myspace page http://www.myspace.com/joshwink May 26 2008 8:00P WiNK @ DEMF, Detroit(To Be Confirmed) Detroit, Michigan Oh yeah, and Dubfire http://www.myspace.com/djdubfire May 26 2008 8:00P DEMF @ Hart Plaza Detroit exciting! not. tom -- --- Michael Kuszynski [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.planerecordings.com New York, NY Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
RE: (313) demf 2008
in light of the history of the event, it's terribly unlikely that the lineup will not be worth the $40 3-day cost. I disagree. The first few were free and chock full of Detroit. More D-bang for your (non)bucks. Recently we've seen a decline in Detroit representation and the price going up. Personally I have no issue with it, but it does make that statement dead wrong. besides, most people i know go regardless of who is on the lineup, True. And this is what I think most of us will do. many go simply to support detroit. that is, after all, what the event is all about, isn't it? No. the event is about showcasing/celebrating the legacy and current direction of Detroit techno and the talent and contributions that the city has/have made musically throughout the years. The financial boon comes as a result of this celebration. But no, money's not the point it's a side effect (albeit one which can't be rightfully be ignored). Bottom line is they have nothing to gain from holding out on the info. it's a dumb move promotion-wise and it doesn't really make me want to go anymore than I already do (which is the point of a promoter right?). given their history of dodgy choices, it can't help to be holding out. People begin to wonder what you're hiding and why you can't tell us until we've paid *cough*berlin-mnml-fest*cough*. See? Dumb. K mwnb
RE: (313) Jay Denham New Album
Aight. Sick. Jay. WOOT! Having full clips is the realness and in celebration of said realness and diskoB's willingness to keep it so, I give you my wholly unsolicited prelim-picks. Anyone else got any? The truth = super dope housey workout. This'd get dropped all day. Plus it gets really layered towards the end. This is the equalizer. Meaning everybody will dance to this no matter what. You have no choice. The long way = ultra groove at it's best and one of the more techno tracks on here to me. Really encompassing with a lot of space. I really love this. How the harder kick drops in with the subtlest of buildups and then that grating sound starts just as an accent. Sickkk. The face melter. Germs = boom boom! Here's that clangalang. I love to hear jay in this mode. The drums remind me of that drummy track off the in sync album on frictional only a little more restrained and without the filters. The strings are exciting without being overdone too. Likey. the world is a ghetto = dope downbeat (almost massive attacky beats with more soul). Period. In the ipod and beamed into my brain repeatedly to maintain atmosphere. Please. electro static = really obvious name, but quality joint. I like where it gets minimal and throbs on without the strings. It starts to get deep. Shxt is bumping. whispers = eeaasy now staaar. Those are my picks from first reaction. The rest don't really do much for me. I must say that I've been really NOT in the mood for many vocals (especially breathy/phone-sexy ones) lately so that may have something to do with it. I'm really excited to hear/own this on wax. If you're reading, Nice one senor Denham. Thank you sir. k -Original Message- From: jwan allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 10:01 AM To: 313 Mailinglist List Subject: Re: (313) Jay Denham New Album Nice! Looking forward to getting this on wax. Jay is highly underrated, even amongst.the heads, in my opinion. On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 7:47 AM, Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Details here: http://www.diskob.com/c/denham/thetruth/thetruth_eng_b.html m -- Technoir Audio http://www.technoiraudio.com dealing with your imperfect world
Re: (313) 313 list T Shirts for DEMF? ideas
Okay, so someone said the more the merrier, so I'll post up a less technical looking (though a bit du jour I admit) option. It's a free font, my own script and a phrase that I think captures both the attitude and OT nature of the list at once (depending on whether you read it with or without the pause). Of course that's the artsy way of saying that I was laughing at the phrase in my head as I read the threads and thought, I should put that on a shirt. So I opened illustrator and there it is. http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/8854/313shirtcp9.jpg sure wish I could get JT to do a line drawing of like Kenny or mad mike to go on it. That would be sick. Or maybe too much. Whatevs though. K mwnb
RE: (313) 313 list T Shirts for DEMF? ideas
I was placing the list addy square across the front chest, which should put the other text block under your left tit/teat/pec. I like the font, and probably won't change anything much unless something really makes stupidly obvious sense to me. The real reason I did this one, was because I saw too much thought going into the rest. So consequentially, I won't think much further than I've gone with it (plus I like it). If you have a change, feel free to hook it up though *cough*$tinki*cough*. It'd be interesting to see what comes back. I still wanna see Todd's though. He's really gd. k -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 1:03 PM To: Stoddard, Kamal Cc: Michael Kuszynski; darnistle; 313 Subject: Re: (313) 313 list T Shirts for DEMF? ideas best so far!!! except i am not fond of the 3d font and think the whole design needs to be condensed a little. and where are you placing it on the tshirt? across the front or in the upper left hand corner? nobody needs to be reading my gut. On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Stoddard, Kamal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, so someone said the more the merrier, so I'll post up a less technical looking (though a bit du jour I admit) option. It's a free font, my own script and a phrase that I think captures both the attitude and OT nature of the list at once (depending on whether you read it with or without the pause). Of course that's the artsy way of saying that I was laughing at the phrase in my head as I read the threads and thought, I should put that on a shirt. So I opened illustrator and there it is. http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/8854/313shirtcp9.jpg sure wish I could get JT to do a line drawing of like Kenny or mad mike to go on it. That would be sick. Or maybe too much. Whatevs though. K mwnb -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
RE: (313) 313 list T Shirts for DEMF? ideas
It may look a little bitted out at first (the hosting company's compression). It's a rather large jpg. It looks a lot cleaner when you view it at full size, though your browser may make you scroll. Just click the image and it should resize for ya. Lemme know if this is what it is. K mwnb -Original Message- From: ben thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 1:02 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) 313 list T Shirts for DEMF? ideas i like it!!! could do with cleaning up a bit, but its got good sentiment On 28 Feb 2008, at 17:38, Stoddard, Kamal wrote: Okay, so someone said the more the merrier, so I'll post up a less technical looking (though a bit du jour I admit) option. It's a free font, my own script and a phrase that I think captures both the attitude and OT nature of the list at once (depending on whether you read it with or without the pause). Of course that's the artsy way of saying that I was laughing at the phrase in my head as I read the threads and thought, I should put that on a shirt. So I opened illustrator and there it is. http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/8854/313shirtcp9.jpg sure wish I could get JT to do a line drawing of like Kenny or mad mike to go on it. That would be sick. Or maybe too much. Whatevs though. K mwnb
RE: (313) T Shirts: Let a hundred flowers bloom
Haha. Awesome. I'd still wait until todd chimes in. he said Friday was the day, so c'mon. have a heart. k -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 2:56 PM To: list 313 Subject: (313) T Shirts: Let a hundred flowers bloom I am going to print up Martin's design. I'll ask my printer friend about US Made/Fair Trade shirts as opposed to whatever he normally uses. My question is this: will people pay twice as much for US Made/Fair Trade? Please ask off-list -- we've been doing too much Shirt-talking and not enough techno talking. This doesn't mean this is the 'official design' -- it just means it's the design I like, and the one I'll pay to have printed. Anyone else who wants to can print whatever they want, or put the design on Cafe Press, or whatever.
RE: (313) 313 list T Shirts for DEMF? ideas
Yup. You're right. It looks a lot better without the x's. a lot better. Thanks. I like the fact that a lot of cool designs have surfaced and I'd like to say before this thread gets officially deaded, that I think this type of thing is great and should be continued (no matter the medium). Gives me a broader view of the listmembers and what else they're about. Thanks for playing. K mwnb -Original Message- From: Michael Kuszynski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 2:30 PM To: pauley; Stoddard, Kamal; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) 313 list T Shirts for DEMF? ideas i could live without the x though around the address. i know its a common notation but its confusing as a public vision. On 2/29/08, pauley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a great shirt. I'll have one of these please. -Original Message- From: Stoddard, Kamal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:38 AM To: Michael Kuszynski; Frank Glazer Cc: darnistle; 313 Subject: Re: (313) 313 list T Shirts for DEMF? ideas Okay, so someone said the more the merrier, so I'll post up a less technical looking (though a bit du jour I admit) option. It's a free font, my own script and a phrase that I think captures both the attitude and OT nature of the list at once (depending on whether you read it with or without the pause). Of course that's the artsy way of saying that I was laughing at the phrase in my head as I read the threads and thought, I should put that on a shirt. So I opened illustrator and there it is. http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/8854/313shirtcp9.jpg sure wish I could get JT to do a line drawing of like Kenny or mad mike to go on it. That would be sick. Or maybe too much. Whatevs though. K mwnb -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1302 - Release Date: 2/27/2008 4:34 PM -- --- Michael Kuszynski [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.planerecordings.com New York, NY
RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
Not even. The campus was waaay better cause they didn't pinch my toes when flipping. But I'm with martin on the shoes I go vans classics/slip-ons/sk8-hi's cause I have flat feet and I skate fast. k -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 7:38 AM To: Mann, Ravinder; Martin Dust; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 313 Subject: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT incidentally, adidas shelltoes (officially called Superstar) were the best shoe to skate in period. - Original Message - Da : Mann, Ravinder [EMAIL PROTECTED] A : Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 313 313@hyperreal.org Oggetto : RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT Data : Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:03:51 - Yes Martin, DMs are still going strong, ive been rocking a pair of the Jake 3 Tie Chukka along with some adidas shelltoe for the last couple of years and they're still going strong. -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 February 2008 09:56 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 313 Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT On 15 Feb 2008, at 09:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wow, i thought it was doc. martin's (no pun intended btw ;) Do they still make them? Ken's a big fan of DM's but I've got fat ankles and don't really need the support. m To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://disclaimer.leedsmet.ac.uk/email.htm
RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
I'd like to say simply that I actually agree with what martin says about the company itself. My point was that I'm more in favour of the viral stuff because instead of being an endeavor that only employs internal corpo's that get it really wrong in the end (that old guard), this new model has to, at some point, drop cash to those a bit closer to home (because they're too far removed to do it themselves and they've finally realized that). Plus it's not as insulting. It's like if I was a girl, and a dude gave me a box of funky licorice from the dollar store and said, lets fxck later. He'd go flat. But if you come with my favorite choc's and said I'd love to make you breakfast it'd go over a bit better. Even though every chick knows you're really saying the same thing, class and attention to your interests are appreciated. I'd argue moreso when they don't align with your own interests at all (it FEELS more selfless). I guess what I'm saying is, it's nice to see the corpos executing things with a bit more class, even if they're the same inside. And even if they don't care about theo, I do, and that's got to count for something (I know, that's exactly why they did it). But I do agree wholeheartedly about the non-entity and their ultimate aim. k -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 1:04 PM To: 313 313 Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT On 14 Feb 2008, at 17:43, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that's total B.S. Martin they aren't robots - I'm sure there are people working at Adidas and other companies they could very well be into Theo Parrish Why is it BS? Have I shattered the illusion? It's true, get use't it - its how the machine works - it's got no love, it just consumes. Just because they work at a corporation doesn't mean they live in a bubble - cut off from the world you live in. I wasn't suggesting anyone lives in a bubble but if you believe that some director at any PLC knows what's happening at street level you're deluded - as I said, they pay people for that. someone at some level along the production of this project has tons of love for Theo - that's how he got there boardrooms aren't usually where these decisions get made anyway Yeah of course, keep telling yourself that. m
RE: (313) Los Hermanos
Thanks for the link! The first 4 I'm feeling pretty deep. Nothing else until the 8th clip, which is pretty tough, nice. The 9th one is pretty wonky so you know I'm in on that. The only other ones I like are the Jazz above Saturn one and the awakening one, but they're not in the same vein as the rest so I almost consider them separately from the dancier biz. From the clips, I'd say I like more things than I did on the last one, but the few I did like on the last one...I liked a LOT more. Does that make sense? Still need to hear full versions mind you, so all views subject to change I guess. I'm really excited to hear the new Rolando thing. I hope it's good. k -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 11:56 AM To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) Los Hermanos sound clips here http://www.submergerecordings.com/main/content/view/54/43/ http://www.interstellarsounds.com/product.php?productid=2334cat=0page= (also japan import for sale) and since we're talking confirmed since yesterday friday april 4 - Planet Delsin @ 11 - Amsterdam with Los Hermanos (Live), ao also thu feb 28th Planet Delsin @ 11 Laurent Garnier Nuno Dos Santos fri feb 29th RushHour @ Paradiso Theo Parrish - 5h set fri mar 7th Planet Delsin @ 11 Prosumer Tepeli feat Elif (Live) Zender VT Newworldaquarium Peel Seamus and.. fri 6 sat 7 june Rush Hour vs Planet Delsin @ 11, Rolando, Redshape (Live), and (much) more t.b.a (ps last chances to visit this club, as 11 closes July 1st!) Martin Dust schreef: Anyone heard the new album yet? Really looking forward to it. m
RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
I wouldn't say I love Adidas, but I do find this sort of advertising more acceptable for some hypocritical reason. I don't think it's hypocritical at all. I've seen the spread of viral+branded content online as advertising and I like it or a few reasons. For a start, to do it correctly (as I feel adidas has), the advertisers have to be rather involved/knowledgeable Re: the lifestyle and content that they want to co-op. this was previously not true in the industry as the demographics and categories that were accepted as gospel were previously determined by a rather academic process of long range observation. This is why they so frequently went for the lowest common denominator adverts and you feel stupid watching them. I should say, I don't have an intrinsic issue with someone trying to get me to like what they make (unless they insult my intelligence by lying or being pushy with the buy it right now stuff). This kind of marketing angle is not meant to sell you things by telling you just how awesome it is and it generally skirts the whole issue of competition (none of the adidas is better than 70% of blah, blah) it's meant to make you feel closer to the company by them taking the first step and supporting some of the things that you care about. This has two benefits. Besides the obvious benefit of artists getting money and not having to sacrifice their integrity (for that kind of pressure would be counterproductive), you also end up getting money flowing out to the smaller guys that specialize in the kind of media creation they need. To put it simply, the money flow: old guard = company- internal marketing dept- research firm - wack commercial actors new guard = company- guerrilla/viral marketing consultants - independent media creation professionals- people you actually know and care about. In my opinion, this is a good thing and I'd much rather have a company try to convince me that they're my friend and send some money to prove it, than just a bunch of low, low prices! crap that's just insulting. I mean, everyone knew it was an advert before they clicked. Did anyone get annoyed and kill the video because you felt you were being sold something? That's what's important to me. K mwnb
RE: (313) Swim Quick...
Holy crap! Thanks ken. A Dream come true for me really. People better jump on these for real. They won't make it to the surface before they're snapped up like plankton. Guarantee. K mwnb -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:38 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Swim Quick... if you're in the market for these: http://www.discogs.com/groups/topic/156323 Mr Thomas doesn't tell fibs. Ken (Sorry for misfiring this message just now without the URL)
RE: (313) Tom Cox on CBS
You know what's funny? I've been meaning to pick this one up and after going to the site to get it this morning, I saw tom wearing the same shirt as I am this A.M. I got it from old navy last year. Weird. But cool(I guess I'm in the right mood to hear it if clothing is any indicator). Mix is hot. A hotmix if you will. (getting my coat). Whatevs, Tom you doing yo thaing maing. :) k -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 9:17 AM To: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Tom Cox on CBS http://allsexistape.blogspot.com/2008/01/guest-mixtape-tom-cox-aka-pipec ock.html A really good mix that Tom. Pushing all the right buttons for me at the moment this kind of stuff. If anyone hasn't checked this yet they should. robin...
RE: (313) detroit party flyers
True. I'm pretty sure we're on the same page. k -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:07 PM To: Stoddard, Kamal Subject: RE: (313) detroit party flyers yeah, I agree with that I included the bosses as part of the audience - they're the first audience as the art represents them they are generally the most conservative (and scared) MEK Stoddard, Kamal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 01/11/2008 11:00:37 AM: Anyone across the pond wouldn't see an iota of the real talent in the us design community. The reason for that is exceedingly simple. The best don't get paid by companies/media that get shxt over there. The best of American design has been thriving in small magazines and art scenes all over the country. And some who have dope skills, from flyer design to total corporate rebranding, never get the jobs to flex it (my boy Zheno can't be touched (zheno.com) even though he probably hates everything on his site by now). This is not due to the average audience, but rather the average creative director being afraid to upset the conservative bosses. I know it may not seem this way given the wide angle view from there, but the status quo in America is pretty down for whatever when they're comfy. It's a few cats who keep them scared to minimize resistance to their conservative bs that set the tone. If the general pop was as conservative as many make out, there'd be no need for the fear show, we'd just agree. Americans aren't generally conservative, they're generally scared. And that fear is carefully managed and disseminated (by the same media we turn to to judge the state American design?) so, in my opinion not entirely their fault. (Sorry huge tangent) k -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:37 AM To: Robert Taylor Cc: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; /0 Subject: RE: (313) detroit party flyers I agree. My guess is because of the general audience in the US tends to be more conservative in so many different ways. MEK
RE: (313) detroit party flyers
Anyone across the pond wouldn't see an iota of the real talent in the us design community. The reason for that is exceedingly simple. The best don't get paid by companies/media that get shxt over there. The best of American design has been thriving in small magazines and art scenes all over the country. And some who have dope skills, from flyer design to total corporate rebranding, never get the jobs to flex it (my boy Zheno can't be touched (zheno.com) even though he probably hates everything on his site by now). This is not due to the average audience, but rather the average creative director being afraid to upset the conservative bosses. I know it may not seem this way given the wide angle view from there, but the status quo in America is pretty down for whatever when they're comfy. It's a few cats who keep them scared to minimize resistance to their conservative bs that set the tone. If the general pop was as conservative as many make out, there'd be no need for the fear show, we'd just agree. Americans aren't generally conservative, they're generally scared. And that fear is carefully managed and disseminated (by the same media we turn to to judge the state American design?) so, in my opinion not entirely their fault. (Sorry huge tangent) k -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:37 AM To: Robert Taylor Cc: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; /0 Subject: RE: (313) detroit party flyers I agree. My guess is because of the general audience in the US tends to be more conservative in so many different ways. MEK
RE: (313) detroit party flyers
wow, totally had a flashback. I didn't realize I used to know all the names in the rollcall section of A.J. Mcgee's bxtch why you lookin at me until I started saying them. that song still makes me laugh because girls used to use that phrase to start shxt on the bus sooo much. chris...eric...lil mike...big mike...toya...takis...keenta...jackie...lawann...nee nee...summer...michelle heell aaa! The girls used to sing it (dudes rocked the beat on the windows with fists) and anyone with the same name would jump up and do a dance (I totally knew a big/lil mike, a toya, a keenta, and a nee nee) and the bus driver would be yelling and threatening to kick us off and shxt. Full on flashback. Nice one. Haven't heard that song since forever. Ghetto classic. k mwnb -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:29 AM To: Robert Taylor Cc: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; /0 Subject: RE: (313) detroit party flyers Really? I think US flyers are still somewhat stuck in this era while UK flyer design is much better now. Freak Mode party looks like it would have been great: Russ Gabriel, DBX, Ectomorph (live), Rotator, Will Webb, Taj Bell another good looking line-up is Gear: Spacetime Continuum, Autechre, Mark Broom, Stacey Pullen, Eric Haupt... 1996 - good vintage MEK Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 01/11/2008 07:32:18 AM: Yeah, there's not much difference between the UK and the US in flyer design - strange, cos in other graphic design areas they are are poles apart Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 January 2008 13:22 To: Robert Taylor; /0; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) detroit party flyers it's funny how some of them look like flyers from big uk raves like Fantazia. this collection almost looks like a timeline of graphic design though, wich is pretty cool - Original Message - Da : Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] A : /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Oggetto : RE: (313) detroit party flyers Data : Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:57:05 - Why is techno design often so lame? It's all Chesley Bonestall rip-offs and dreadful typefaces Still, it's nice looking at the old line-ups Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: /0 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 January 2008 11:34 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) detroit party flyers http://onlyndetroit.com/html/rave/raveyears/1995.htm some memories here. also, did anyone on the list mention the new metro area? I think its terrible, but Im sure most of you love it. i'm curious ## ### Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 ## ### # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
RE: (313) detroit party flyers
Yeah, but see? I'd never go to this party unless I knew someone involved and trusted their taste (in which case I'd probably never see the flyer. 1] I don't know whos playing. In the age of everyone can do it, I don't trust the designers use of the word proper. 2]basement soul is such an overused term in the American house community that it's kind of a turnoff without additional qualifiers. I think of guys with headwraps dancing in a circle that's waaay too big to something that would be better described as bad uptempo rb mixed with too much antibalas. 3]it's yellow. Just kidding. I kinda felt like I needed a number three and had nothing soha! k -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:01 PM To: Robert Taylor Cc: 313@hyperreal.org; Thomas D. Cox, Jr. Subject: RE: (313) detroit party flyers I think part of the problem with flyer design, at least in the US, results from promoters trying to cram in ten different DJs/artists in one night (which results in a whole set of other problems). They feel compelled to list every name on the bill along with a page long bio (full of the most ridiculous hyperbole) of each person. Then the crazy techno graphic get added and top it all off with the other fine print: drink specials, time, date, directions, maps, cover charge (including split costs for ladies or time you enter), sponsors, and so much other miscellaneous b.s. you could never leave it as simple as this http://www.uniqueuncut.co.uk/Images/flyer_30_11_07.jpg bang- got the info I need I've always loved CO-OPs flyers (at least the ones I've seen) great design and usually very organic looking MEK Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 01/11/2008 10:44:14 AM: XLR8R isn't European is it? I'm not talking about the fashion magazines with the unreadable type - just the standards Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 January 2008 16:39 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) detroit party flyers On Jan 11, 2008 11:36 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree. My guess is because of the general audience in the US tends to be more conservative in so many different ways. or maybe they like to be able to read what is written. magazines that use crazy graphic design on every page make me feel ill, its one of the reasons i let my subscription to XLR8R run out. i just want to read the words, i dont need it to look pretty. tom # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
(313) ignore
Testes, testes, one, two, ...three? k
RE: (313) Oh my...
Holy moley that mathematics thing sounds good!! I have to have that. k -Original Message- From: Jeffrey Richards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 8:30 AM To: 313 Subject: (313) Oh my... These samples are rediculously good, and I can't wait for them to show up in the mail. http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=34430 http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=45739 Really good Acid if you ask me... Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html
RE: (313) Detroit Techno Quiz
7/10. and I had mad guesses. Good stuff though. k
RE: (313) New Label From Us
A2 and B1 on that mark archer are both ridiculous from the clips. The others are pretty sick too. Even though some of the rhythms remind me of the derrick carter beat factory, it's boompty in a good way. and those pads, whoo. Right up my alley! Feel good party music for feel good weirdo's and the people who get high with them. Or at least that's what it sounds like to me. Fxck martin, coming in hot for the winter eh? let's skip the bullshxt...can I pre-order yet? :) K mwnb -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 6:59 AM To: 313 List Subject: (313) New Label From Us Wotcha 313, Just launched a new label, have a peak here http://www.ds93.com m
RE: (313) New Label From Us
Pre-order's done. Bit steep from here for a single slab(30 bucks usd), but that's more on our president than pricing from that end. Well worth it from the sounds of it though. Thanks again martin. Shxts hot. k -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 10:08 AM To: Stoddard, Kamal Cc: Martin Dust; 313 List Subject: Re: (313) New Label From Us You've said all the right things Kamal, I'm sure Martin'll sort it from this point on in :) btw. nice to see there's life after Altern8. robin... On 19 Sep 2007, at 15:04, Stoddard, Kamal wrote: A2 and B1 on that mark archer are both ridiculous from the clips. The others are pretty sick too. Even though some of the rhythms remind me of the derrick carter beat factory, it's boompty in a good way. and those pads, whoo. Right up my alley! Feel good party music for feel good weirdo's and the people who get high with them. Or at least that's what it sounds like to me. Fxck martin, coming in hot for the winter eh? let's skip the bullshxt...can I pre-order yet?
RE: (313) New Label From Us
Ideas? What's those? I don't get diseases like that! Ha! (I can't wait to see the rubber stamps!) k -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 10:22 AM To: Stoddard, Kamal Subject: Re: (313) New Label From Us It's a nice release though, in premium packaging but boy that's not cheap. btw. Kamal I was just joking around - just in case you got the wrong dea. robn... On 19 Sep 2007, at 15:17, Stoddard, Kamal wrote: Pre-order's done. Bit steep from here for a single slab(30 bucks usd), but that's more on our president than pricing from that end. Well worth it from the sounds of it though. Thanks again martin. Shxts hot. k -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 10:08 AM To: Stoddard, Kamal Cc: Martin Dust; 313 List Subject: Re: (313) New Label From Us You've said all the right things Kamal, I'm sure Martin'll sort it from this point on in :) btw. nice to see there's life after Altern8. robin... On 19 Sep 2007, at 15:04, Stoddard, Kamal wrote: A2 and B1 on that mark archer are both ridiculous from the clips. The others are pretty sick too. Even though some of the rhythms remind me of the derrick carter beat factory, it's boompty in a good way. and those pads, whoo. Right up my alley! Feel good party music for feel good weirdo's and the people who get high with them. Or at least that's what it sounds like to me. Fxck martin, coming in hot for the winter eh? let's skip the bullshxt...can I pre-order yet?
RE: (313) watch out Qbert, DJ Shadow, Craze...
Holee crud those kids are killing it! And I don't care what anyone says, they got the groove...a little. I caught 'em both getting their unconscious bounce to the beat on. That's tight. The funny thing is, they got better cuts than most grown tablists and they still look nervous as death. And when it comes to turntablism (not necessarily music) it IS about technical proficiency. You gotta have better cuts and a dope style, period. k -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 3:04 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) watch out Qbert, DJ Shadow, Craze... too late http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2josUqMTUmE I love DJ Ryusei's complete lack of get into it apparently DJ Sara is nine years old yeah 9 :-O MEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/14/2007 01:54:57 PM: they are here to fck your sh!t up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1eZ8e3K9ao MEK
RE: (313) Detroit 2007
I bet if someone bought that D video in the end it just looks really sad how a the people of a city ended up like that. I don't know about the city, but the country is what I see ending up like that. No matter where you go here, there are those that, though they may not publicly glorify violence, they do think of it as a first or second option to solve disputes on any scale. I mean, I've seen a cheerleading coach get at it with a mom over some real simple ish and they were both intelligent, seemingly peaceful people before the altercation. That was just this week. In America this has been the way from the start though (ask the natives, wholesale slaughter gets it done). The issue I think is not the general acceptance of violence (heck, all of nature accepts it as a balancing force). I think it's as martin pointed out, the packaging and commoditization of violence as something to be sought after (if you want to be cool/hard/real/etc). War Stories are to todays pop culture what knowledge of self was to the golden era of hip-hop. A mistake? Probably not. Is there any way to reverse this from where we are now? I'm not really sure, but I'd love to hear some ideas. k
RE: (313) Happy Birthday Minto!
WOOT! WOOT! Minto is the r0xx0r5!!11 k -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:50 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Happy Birthday Minto! happy birthday dood! tom On 9/13/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :-D MEK
RE: (313) Detroit 2007
Yeh my man from yard (Jamaica) says it's even more ridiculous down there now too. Kids with no fear of gun court just bustin to be raw. Shanking girls for their cellphones and the whole nine. I agree with martin though. When I think about it, I can't really see a way out aside from letting it run it's course. Like a virus. I still have faith in the youth though. There's still a good contingent out there that realize the danger and needlessness of that lifestyle and can clearly see that they're being led by the nose. The cool thing is, most kids have a problem with authority and the bigger and more predatory this industry becomes, the quicker you'll see that same teenaged angst turned against them... I hope. Gotta go listen to that microworld thing so I'll have something actually on topic to say. :) k -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 12:57 PM To: 313@Hyperreal.Org Subject: Re: (313) Detroit 2007 Sadly it's true. It seems to be younger and younger kids too. All the gang kids are 14/15 these days. Insanity. robin... On 13 Sep 2007, at 17:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not just your country either - as usual we're rushing to do all that you do over there be it good or bad. -Original Message- From: Stoddard, Kamal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 September 2007 15:22 I don't know about the city, but the country is what I see ending up like that
RE: (313) Global Wierding
I can think of about a million other ways that he can set a better example for their usual audience by easing up on a few behavioral eccentricities (or at least not putting said behaviors on such a public pedestal) as opposed to championing a new cause with a new (quite possibly guilt induced) set of eccentricities. That said I still find it hard to chide someone that's spreading a good message. That said, if you haven't gotten THAT message in 2007, you prolly won't. k -Original Message- From: Simon Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 5:32 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Global Wierding So they're doing 3 things I think It goes beyond that -- they have a lot of reach and hopefully by setting a good example they can hopefully encourage others to follow suit, which is way more effective than any measures they could take alone, and imho great use of that reach and deserves some respect. S -- Simon Swain Obscure www.obscure.co.nz m +61 418 30 20 20
RE: (313) Global Wierding
Oh, hey don't get me wrong, I couldn't be arsed to argue what he does or believes in as long as he's not killing people *cough*bush*cough* but if you're gonna take a stand with the express purpose to set an example... ...I'm just saying. To be honest, I'm still glad someone's saying it to the masses cause at the end of the day no matter if he's the most insincere cat alive, someones bound to take him seriously (in his case legions probably) and that can't hurt with a good message. What I was saying though, is that if it WAS about setting an example, he'd probably have been doing that in other ways a long time ago. It's more likely due to some recent epiphany/guilt complex. But who knows really though eh? Could be that he really still feels that his mailing list is family and therefore feels free to be open with these things as he wouldn't with another audience (and that's just dandy). Just a couple cents. And the view? Absolute crap man, you wouldn't believe the clouds blowing around up here. :) K -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 6:04 PM To: Stoddard, Kamal Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Global Wierding He's a DJ not the Pope, what's the view like from up there fella? ;) m Stoddard, Kamal wrote: I can think of about a million other ways that he can set a better example for their usual audience by easing up on a few behavioral eccentricities (or at least not putting said behaviors on such a public pedestal) as opposed to championing a new cause with a new (quite possibly guilt induced) set of eccentricities. That said I still find it hard to chide someone that's spreading a good message. That said, if you haven't gotten THAT message in 2007, you prolly won't. k -Original Message- From: Simon Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 5:32 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Global Wierding So they're doing 3 things I think It goes beyond that -- they have a lot of reach and hopefully by setting a good example they can hopefully encourage others to follow suit, which is way more effective than any measures they could take alone, and imho great use of that reach and deserves some respect. S
RE: (313) help with track IDs? Theo Parrish at Cielo New York 8-13-2007 - top tracks and photos - request for help with track IDs
help ID this unknown track with the lyrics gimme some of that good ol love lovin you just blows my mind let me make you feel fine this love I feel for you is true I think this one is probably the old willie hutch (?) remix done by jay somebody-or-other. I have it at home. Will check after work and post again. I started an old mixtape off with this one. There's a straighter mix but the one everybody played back in the day was the really spaced out techy dubby one. It makes him kinda sound like marvin gaye the way they layed it down. Does that sound like the one? Lemme know. If so, that's interesting. Didn't think theo would have that one. That's old chi. Hmpf. k -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 1:51 PM To: list 313 Subject: (313) help with track IDs? Theo Parrish at Cielo New York 8-13-2007 - top tracks and photos - request for help with track IDs I have been trying to post this for almost a week, but apparently I am retahded and don't know how to use Gmail. Ergh. Ha. Anyway, Theo killed it last Monday at Cielo in New York. Among the tunes he played that I loved were: help ID this unknown track with the lyrics gimme some of that good ol love lovin you just blows my mind let me make you feel fine this love I feel for you is true Quick, The - One Light In The Blackout http://www.discogs.com/release/712023 Stephanie Mills - The Medicine Song http://www.discogs.com/release/131763 help ID this unknown disco/house track with lyrics some people think it's in the skies some people think it's in the ground we can try now that time has come - some people think it's in the skies has definitely been sampled into a track i've heard, perhaps a jungle track help ID this unknown track with a breakbeat and the lyrics throw away the rules of the night do it in style as long as it feels right i've been to cairo i've been to tokyo sounded like it was from the 90s Jones Girls, The - You Gonna Make Me Love Somebody Else http://www.discogs.com/release/131803 Fred Wesley The JB's - Doing It To Death (Theo Parrish Edit - unreleased CD-R) http://www.discogs.com/release/333511 sade - nothing can come between us http://www.discogs.com/release/202451 Theo Parrish - Solitary Flight http://www.discogs.com/release/68201 (hearing this on cielo's sound system was like a dream come true. i screamed and jumped up and down when i heard the track come in) help ID this unknown track with vocal i'm usually downstairs repeated ad infinitum help ID this unknown track with vocal stomp your feet repeated ad infinitum and also a bunch of unidentifiable jackin tracky chicago style poop (censored for 313 flitter) with no words. oh emm gee. here are the photos i took: http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/sets/72157601444604121/ now some people have talked trash on the crowd at cielo. granted, there were a lot of fashion victim asswipes, but i just closed my eyes and enjoyed the music, clapping and cheering. which there was a lot of. it's new york, take the excellent (theo) with the mildly annoying. and i'll admit, theo's eq tricks can get a little oppressive, but his track selection and the way he works the crowd is phenomenal. go watch the red bull music academy interviews with theo and you'll understand why he does the eq tricks, he's trying to recreate the moments he loved as a teen in chicago. all in all, i agree with monica more than jt in their reviews last week, one of the best nights out for me in a long, long time.
RE: (313) help with track IDs? Theo Parrish at Cielo New York 8-13-2007 - top tracks and photos - request for help with track IDs
Nice one! The original. Hot. Yeah I didn't think theo had that remix thing. Did he edit the one he played? Cause I could see that being the biznass. k -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 3:38 PM To: Stoddard, Kamal Subject: Re: (313) help with track IDs? Theo Parrish at Cielo New York 8-13-2007 - top tracks and photos - request for help with track IDs btw, thanks for the help. good lookin out! On 8/20/07, Stoddard, Kamal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: help ID this unknown track with the lyrics gimme some of that good ol love lovin you just blows my mind let me make you feel fine this love I feel for you is true I think this one is probably the old willie hutch (?) remix done by jay somebody-or-other. I have it at home. Will check after work and post again. I started an old mixtape off with this one. There's a straighter mix but the one everybody played back in the day was the really spaced out techy dubby one. It makes him kinda sound like marvin gaye the way they layed it down. Does that sound like the one? Lemme know. If so, that's interesting. Didn't think theo would have that one. That's old chi. Hmpf. k -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 1:51 PM To: list 313 Subject: (313) help with track IDs? Theo Parrish at Cielo New York 8-13-2007 - top tracks and photos - request for help with track IDs I have been trying to post this for almost a week, but apparently I am retahded and don't know how to use Gmail. Ergh. Ha. Anyway, Theo killed it last Monday at Cielo in New York. Among the tunes he played that I loved were: help ID this unknown track with the lyrics gimme some of that good ol love lovin you just blows my mind let me make you feel fine this love I feel for you is true Quick, The - One Light In The Blackout http://www.discogs.com/release/712023 Stephanie Mills - The Medicine Song http://www.discogs.com/release/131763 help ID this unknown disco/house track with lyrics some people think it's in the skies some people think it's in the ground we can try now that time has come - some people think it's in the skies has definitely been sampled into a track i've heard, perhaps a jungle track help ID this unknown track with a breakbeat and the lyrics throw away the rules of the night do it in style as long as it feels right i've been to cairo i've been to tokyo sounded like it was from the 90s Jones Girls, The - You Gonna Make Me Love Somebody Else http://www.discogs.com/release/131803 Fred Wesley The JB's - Doing It To Death (Theo Parrish Edit - unreleased CD-R) http://www.discogs.com/release/333511 sade - nothing can come between us http://www.discogs.com/release/202451 Theo Parrish - Solitary Flight http://www.discogs.com/release/68201 (hearing this on cielo's sound system was like a dream come true. i screamed and jumped up and down when i heard the track come in) help ID this unknown track with vocal i'm usually downstairs repeated ad infinitum help ID this unknown track with vocal stomp your feet repeated ad infinitum and also a bunch of unidentifiable jackin tracky chicago style poop (censored for 313 flitter) with no words. oh emm gee. here are the photos i took: http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/sets/72157601444604121/ now some people have talked trash on the crowd at cielo. granted, there were a lot of fashion victim asswipes, but i just closed my eyes and enjoyed the music, clapping and cheering. which there was a lot of. it's new york, take the excellent (theo) with the mildly annoying. and i'll admit, theo's eq tricks can get a little oppressive, but his track selection and the way he works the crowd is phenomenal. go watch the red bull music academy interviews with theo and you'll understand why he does the eq tricks, he's trying to recreate the moments he loved as a teen in chicago. all in all, i agree with monica more than jt in their reviews last week, one of the best nights out for me in a long, long time.
RE: (313) Shake interview up
Hot interview. It's cool to hear him speak about the last few years as a simple learning curve. And to hear the way things were with the jit/prep situation. Can't wait for the album. His-tory. K Mwnb Atl -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 2:19 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Shake interview up http://infinitestatemachine.com/ includes an mp3 clip from the forthcoming album! tom
RE: (313) nyc 8-10 Micheal Fakesch, Dietrich Schoenemann, Mark Verbos, Wamdue Kids
Verbos has been blowing away crowds for the past year (at least) with his traveling 303 show. There were some sets online from last year iirc from some of those shows. Awesome was the word I used to describe it. Proper bouncy, chi-troit-ey, shuffley, jackey acid loving. I'd go. Imma see if I can find one a dem sets still knocking round. K Mwnb Ps. Anybody got that fake millshood set, I'd like to hear it. Impersonating two old masters in one set? Chek! -Original Message- From: Matt Kane's Brain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 3:35 PM To: kent williams Cc: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) nyc 8-10 Micheal Fakesch, Dietrich Schoenemann, Mark Verbos, Wamdue Kids On Aug 10, 2007, at 10:07 AM, kent williams wrote: Mark Verbos is oldschool Midwest Raves guy -- wrote for Massive magazine back in the day... Mark Verbos did a DJ set a while back that people mistook for an old Mills Hood set from Limelight. Not sure if that was hype he created himself or what but I heard him do a pretty decent retro acid set last March. -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: (313) nyc 8-10 Micheal Fakesch, Dietrich Schoenemann, Mark Verbos, Wamdue Kids
http://simple-answer.com/ too slow sucks! All sets can be found with direct links on marks site. The latest one (2006) is the one I had before. The fakester is there too. And anybody know the current incarnation of wamdue? Just wondering. k -Original Message- From: Stoddard, Kamal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 5:27 PM To: Matt Kane's Brain; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) nyc 8-10 Micheal Fakesch, Dietrich Schoenemann, Mark Verbos, Wamdue Kids Verbos has been blowing away crowds for the past year (at least) with his traveling 303 show. There were some sets online from last year iirc from some of those shows. Awesome was the word I used to describe it. Proper bouncy, chi-troit-ey, shuffley, jackey acid loving. I'd go. Imma see if I can find one a dem sets still knocking round. K Mwnb Ps. Anybody got that fake millshood set, I'd like to hear it. Impersonating two old masters in one set? Chek! -Original Message- From: Matt Kane's Brain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 3:35 PM To: kent williams Cc: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) nyc 8-10 Micheal Fakesch, Dietrich Schoenemann, Mark Verbos, Wamdue Kids On Aug 10, 2007, at 10:07 AM, kent williams wrote: Mark Verbos is oldschool Midwest Raves guy -- wrote for Massive magazine back in the day... Mark Verbos did a DJ set a while back that people mistook for an old Mills Hood set from Limelight. Not sure if that was hype he created himself or what but I heard him do a pretty decent retro acid set last March. -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: (313) Drone Mix
Anything opening with siouxie is up my fxcking street! Heat! That slit track is hot too. I can't say that name without giggling though. Nice one missah maaatin! k -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 4:08 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Drone Mix Wotcha List, Another little mix from tBd - it's a bit off topic but hey: The Black Dog - You Are Strange Mix Tracklisting 01. Pure - Siouxsie And The Banshees - Polydor 02. 4 3s 555 [Part 2] The Black Dog - Dust Science 03. Minour - The Black Dog - W*rp 04. Alone And Cutting - Slit - Dust Science 05. Gosudaryunia - Marc Almond - Elegy 06. Firspk - D - Rough Trade 07. YouKnowILoveYou - Anthony Child - Dust Science 08. Mutations - Jean-Claude Risset - OHM 09. Dungtitled (In A Major) - Stars Of The Lid - Kranky 10. This Degenerate Little Town (tbd Sheffield Edit) - Current 93 Thomas Ligotti - Durtro 11. In Reach - Paula Temple - Materials 12. Firspk - D - Rough Trade 13. Seti - The Black Dog - W*rp 14. Do A Little Math - Blank Grid http://www.dogsquad.co.uk/tbd/?p=198
RE: (313) fabrizio @ citymorg
That's mean. Don't say that about his mother. k -Original Message- From: /0 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 4:13 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) fabrizio @ citymorg fabby, Li cerco in linea per chiacchierare, ma non siete trovati. Offro alle vostre madri il kitty, il mio pugno grasso. se devo trasmettervi un pc, lascilo sanno. potete dovermi un certo favore. holla. -Joe
RE: (313) Airto Live June 29 Iowa City
Oh shxt! As I was reading this I felt myself morphing into an iowa hater. Airto is the MAN! I was writing my you're so lucky and I hate all that will be there email when I noticed the link. It all melted away in a wash of I love iowa ths much. Thanks kent. Judaman too. :) K mwnb -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 12:28 PM To: list 313; do id; iacitybeats Subject: (313) Airto Live June 29 Iowa City Airto playing the Iowa City Jazz Festival saturday night. If you're not familiar, Airto Moreira is a Brazilian drummer and percussionist who came to the US in the 60s and played with Miles Davis, Weather Report, Chick Corea (before he began sucking hard), and led his own band on many albums, including the incomparable 'Fingers,' which has been sampled frequently for House tracks... Unfortunately my batteries crapped out before his last 2 numbers -- he ended with 'Tomba in 7/4' which is among his most exciting and durable compositions. http://www.cornwarning.com/xfer/Airto-6-29-2007.mp3
RE: (313) Track Moodymann dropped... what is it? a quick nyc update
Sorry it took me so long to get back with this. I actually have been away from my 'puter and completely forgot. Upon playing it to myself (again) I remembered that it meant something to someone else. My bad. Doobies for breakfast while fresh off holiday seems to do that. So without further ado, it's this tune: http://www.discogs.com/release/297886 except it's not the matty mixes and wasn't released on peppermint jam. It's the original and the sting international mix. The a side is the sting intl mix with a version. The b side is the original and a song called beneath. the original is a much spacier mix with the same vocal and heavier kick and all kinds of changing pads floating eerily around. The mix you liked was the sting international mix where evidently they did all kinds of live instrumentation as there are drum prog, piano, trumpet, sax, bass and keys credits on the label. It doesn't really say what the label is that's releasing it. The runout etching says DTX006 (dance trax maybe?). anybody good with catnumbers? Oh and the label doesn't say featuring soy sos on mine either (or any of the other stuff I've got by them come to think of it) it says MKL vs. SOY SOS ...way harder. Plus, I wonder how this SOY SOS character feels about being all of a sudden relegated to featuring. Versus sounds so much more like you're a peer. Featuring sounds like someone's putting you on. Just thinking and drinking... whatevs... k mwnb a crap! Right after I finished writing all of that, I got the bright idea to search for the full mkl vs. soy sos (searching for mkl alone yielded the above result) and found the dang record on discogs. After all that describing and ish, here it is. And it WAS dance trax! Boo yah! http://www.discogs.com/release/20164
RE: (313) Track Moodymann dropped... what is it? a quick nyc update
I'll look when I get home tonite after work. But I was playing it the other day so it shouldn't be hard to find. Bought it in like 99-2000 maybe? It's a reggae kinda joint, but not all druggy and delayed out. Just wobbly bass and some bouncy stabs and that guy going on. Fxcking great tune too. I'll post the name tonite for sure. K mwnb -Original Message- From: M Ng [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 2:24 PM To: Stoddard, Kamal Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Track Moodymann dropped... what is it? a quick nyc update I think so! it was fresh in my mind 2 weeks ago but now i cna't remember.. the bass so deep that i can't even hear it very much on the video! So what is it? ;) On 6/26/07, Stoddard, Kamal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you ever get an answer for this? Just catching up and I think I might have this track. Does the guy go on about my woman, my woman... and all that? Lemme know. K mwnb -Original Message- From: M Ng [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 11:24 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Track Moodymann dropped... what is it? a quick nyc update Hey guys Just a quick update NYC Moodymann played at Shelter on the 17th, nice little party with him playing behind a screen (no facing the front!). He'd dropped some really great deep tracks, speak on the microphone and everyone had a great time. This one track, he played i have no idea what it is but it was so very deep ... i captured it on video on my camera: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8EzVsdaJBg [this will also give you an idea of how everyone was also dancing around] Carl played at Demon nights last night. Unfort he was BAD in that it was more of a uplifting NY sound with no SOUL.. i think Dang spent the nite getting him to play this one track. Ok it was fun but I've seen him funk it up big time and tonight unfort was not it. It ws probably the crowd of 18 year olds or whatever. :( I have come to the realisation that I prefer the relatively empty venue and a DJ that is uncompromising (eg Jeff, Juan, Moodymann) rather than a full venue and bad music. cheers m
RE: (313) Justice
Nah, 'sall in the way you choose to see it. By your logic dance music would be in dire need of a regeneration too cause we'd be lumping tiesto in with moodyman (they both play dance music). But I personally feel it's doing alright(steady stream of sick releases for the last few years almost...and getting better). And the fact that a guy/group doesn't show up for shows doesn't make them less dope. If that was the case mike banks would suck (and we all know how that's going, right?). I think if you see that mainstream pop-oriented stuff then yeah, the hip-hop you see probably does need a revitalization, but that ish doesn't even hit my radar, so it's looking pretty fine from here. And I understand you've been following this scene for a long time, but I've been living it even longer and the real excitement has always been in the less promoted areas of the genre, even back then. When GMF dropped the message, it wasn't a hit because of how dope the music was in itself, it was dope because of all the underground stuff preceding it (block parties, warehouse/empty apt jams with OG b-boys bustin) that it represented. It made a piece of that available and people bought into it becausae they were already excited by the less publicized more rumored about aspects of the genre. That's why here most cats see a real clear difference between hip-hop and rap. Most of what you mentioned would be called rap here and some folks even get hot if you get that wrong. But whatever, you probably know this as well huh? K Mwnb -Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 5:43 PM To: J.T. Cc: Tristan Watkins; Thomas D. Cox,Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Justice I listen to hip-hop all day at work, I hear a lot, underground, commercial, the whole 9. I am not some newbie. I have followed this scene since Grandmaster Flash came out. I am not the only one saying that. Stuff like Brother Ali isn't pushing things ahead either, he's a good lyricist, but the beats? The Spank Rock LP was cool but they can't even bother showing up for Big Day Out and sent their boys for what was the worst show we've seen all year - check Australian web forums. Have you heard Alex DJ lately? That Fabric CD was generic. The RZA album is very good, but not exactly new. There is good stuff but overall the culture - and the commercial side is part of that culture - is in need of regeneration. Nas got that bit right. On 27/06/2007, at 4:37 AM, J.T. wrote: oh c'mon, you are scraping the dregs out there, this is all tired nyc stuff. lloyd banks? well duh, g-unit sucks harrrd, they always did. mims? fabolous? this is as mainstream as it gets, mims was #1 in the charts! hiphop fans don't listen to that stuff, pop music/ mtv people do. down south is where the hot stuff is. and bay area ok ok. and bmore and detroit. oh yeah. and i don't mean for undergound hiphop fans, which usually means college hiphop. the southern hiphop sound seems to have been dominating for a few years now, but maybe that's just my perspective living in the south. i certainly wouldnt call spank rock boring, and i think you're realy really hating if you do. black milk is carrying the torch for dilla, and he produced nametag's album, and nametag is suuper. lil uno and boo ski and the pack are doing that totally mental almost beatless stuff..crazy minimal 808 tracks, so so dope. and jjak hogan are my friends and unknown as yet, but are opening for beastie boys next tour and have an album coming on radioslave's rekids, of all places. and some other records in fine places too ;) they are a bit like spank rock mixed with outkast and other southern flavors. some of their stuff is really really techno. i like the new rza track on the radio too, classic wu style... -Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jun 26, 2007 1:39 PM To: Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Justice The US side isn't that inspiring at the moment, frankly - I mean MIMS, Lloyd Banks, Fabolous - and the underground is about as boring! The general view in the hip hop industry is that Americans would never accept a non-American MC. Don't the Brits hate all their MCs? The UK guys always complain about that when coming here! ;) On 26/06/2007, at 6:58 PM, Tristan Watkins wrote: - Original Message - From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 3:57 AM Subject: [SPAM-LOW] Re: (313) Justice On 6/25/07, Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mehdi is more like Timbaland but open about his influences. He used to produce MC Solaar. i never really liked solaar either. to be honest, aside from a couple of UK emcees, i find most non-american hiphop to just be missing
RE: (313) Track Moodymann dropped... what is it? a quick nyc update
Did you ever get an answer for this? Just catching up and I think I might have this track. Does the guy go on about my woman, my woman... and all that? Lemme know. K mwnb -Original Message- From: M Ng [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 11:24 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Track Moodymann dropped... what is it? a quick nyc update Hey guys Just a quick update NYC Moodymann played at Shelter on the 17th, nice little party with him playing behind a screen (no facing the front!). He'd dropped some really great deep tracks, speak on the microphone and everyone had a great time. This one track, he played i have no idea what it is but it was so very deep ... i captured it on video on my camera: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8EzVsdaJBg [this will also give you an idea of how everyone was also dancing around] Carl played at Demon nights last night. Unfort he was BAD in that it was more of a uplifting NY sound with no SOUL.. i think Dang spent the nite getting him to play this one track. Ok it was fun but I've seen him funk it up big time and tonight unfort was not it. It ws probably the crowd of 18 year olds or whatever. :( I have come to the realisation that I prefer the relatively empty venue and a DJ that is uncompromising (eg Jeff, Juan, Moodymann) rather than a full venue and bad music. cheers m
RE: (313) Eevolute presents Grandcru
True true. But standard night is my spot. Its got that uplifting turbochug and is busy enough for the Latinas. Caliente. K mwnb -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 12:17 PM To: Klaas-Jan Jongsma Cc: 313 Mailinglist List Subject: Re: (313) Eevolute presents Grandcru Good work KJ. Loving the first track in particular. Kinda a tiny bit like Rick Wade in the strings and melancholic vibe (that might get Tom having a listen at least :) ). Can't wait for the release. robin... For the few Eevolute heads on here, East Island is back, this time under the name of Grandcru, release will be out in a couple of weeks: http://www.eevolute.com/t.php?pageid=12atid=1id=126 Grandcru presents: Friday night, standard night http://www.eevolute.com/uploads/NLQ190700171_Friday_Night.mp3 http://www.eevolute.com/uploads/NLQ190700172_Out_of_Isolation.mp3 http://www.eevolute.com/uploads/NLQ190700173_Standard_night.mp3 http://www.eevolute.com/uploads/NLQ190700174_Unlike_you.mp3
RE: (313) convextion album now on beatport.com
Don't cheat yourself kid. Get 'em all. I feel you on the basic channel impressions, but I swear if you listen to the full trax loud and clear, there's so much more movement and playfulness in ways you wouldn't imagine (reverb dueling with the pans in a battle for your brains anyone?). Trust. You'll hate yourself if you don't cop it and you hear the one you didn't get out and loud (or in and loud for that matter). My 8 cents. K mwnb -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:00 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) convextion album now on beatport.com subject line says it all. If you didn't get the vinyl -- or if you did and want to doubly compensate the fine folks at down low -- whoomp, there it is! Thanks for posting this, Kent - I hadn't had a chance to listen to it yet at all, so having the samples via beatport/juno is great! On a quick listen to the samples, equanimity sounds just gorgeous, solum ferrum sounds like classic Maurizio (M6, anybody?), Astrum sound like classic Detroit stuff (DX bass, pitchbent synth leads, etc), Premiata wouldn't sound out of place next to anything on Carl Craig's Landcruising, and Frozen Surface has me wondering how this would have sounded on any of the DEMF sound systems this year (I have a feeling it would have blown any of them up - fantastic!). Great production for sure - I'll have to figure out if I'm going to pick my faves based on the samples or try to get the whole thing. Great work, DL! bvl
RE: (313) convextion album now on beatport.com
Oh yeah, I never did say out loud how much I liked those tracks you put up awhile back (or maybe kent did? Can't remember). Well..ahem..they're hot. Thanks. Getting my coat. k -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:00 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) convextion album now on beatport.com subject line says it all. If you didn't get the vinyl -- or if you did and want to doubly compensate the fine folks at down low -- whoomp, there it is! Thanks for posting this, Kent - I hadn't had a chance to listen to it yet at all, so having the samples via beatport/juno is great! On a quick listen to the samples, equanimity sounds just gorgeous, solum ferrum sounds like classic Maurizio (M6, anybody?), Astrum sound like classic Detroit stuff (DX bass, pitchbent synth leads, etc), Premiata wouldn't sound out of place next to anything on Carl Craig's Landcruising, and Frozen Surface has me wondering how this would have sounded on any of the DEMF sound systems this year (I have a feeling it would have blown any of them up - fantastic!). Great production for sure - I'll have to figure out if I'm going to pick my faves based on the samples or try to get the whole thing. Great work, DL! bvl
RE: (313) I got played on the CBS! :)
Sweet. cheers. Where are you listening from? k -Original Message- From: Andrew Duke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 11:25 AM To: list 313 Subject: (313) I got played on the CBS! :) Holy sh*t! I'm like a kid in a candy store right now. Was listening to the CBS, as per usual, and heard something familiar. Turned out it was a remix I did a couple years back. And it was played right after a Dopplereffect remix and right before The Martian, Alexander Robotnick, Arpanet, and Florence. I'm a happy camper now! Andrew -- sound design/music production course: http://andrew-duke.com/course.html Chain Reaction downloadable samplepack: http://www.audiobase.com/product/SACR Andrew Duke--Consumer vs. User album: http://www.phthalo.com/cat.php?cat=phth40 artist features column: http://cognitionaudioworks.com/read.html http://myspace.com/andrewduke http://myspace.com/cognitionaudioworks
(313) I changed my mind
Solvent is fxcking RAD! I was in the car listening to a chink of mp3's my friend gave me and it was all sunny and I was going to the spot drinking a brew (fxck open container laws). I was hella feeling myself. Chicks all naked cause it's hot out. Damn. Then solvent's joint wish comes on. WHAT? It's my daytime soundtrack. I figured I'd be feeling something a bit more organic this summer, but naaah. This is it. Really sophisticated and personal. Dark in a feely way not an evil way. And just done up really good. Maaad attention to synthesis and proper flow. I'm writing all this cause I have made some statements to the contrary previously and I now need to clarify (read as, rekunize). So there. Solvent rules. Nuff said. K Mwnb JT hit me up on the underz...
(313) daaaam son!
I know I'm hecka late, but that quince tune clear (delsiiin!) is a motherfxcking stomper. Raved out too. The flip sucked iirc. But clear is a monster!!! Oooeee! K mwnb
RE: (313) me playing records on teh web at 9am est this morning
Do I really have to log in to listen? I'm trying... k -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 8:28 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) me playing records on teh web at 9am est this morning a mix i did for my man lee bolton's webradio show on protonradio.com is being broadcast at 9am EST today: http://www.protonradio.com/show.php?showid=22 i drop all kinds of craziness from some funk 45s and weirdo instrumental hiphop to jazz detroit techno and even a collaboration between holger czukay, the edge, françois kevorkian, jah wobble, and arthur russel. so yeah check it out! tom
RE: (313) Fw: Fwd: Detroit's best kept secret
Aw shxt! I didn't know when you got back. I gotta get some stuff cleaned up but imma shoot you a pack in a few days. k -Original Message- From: J.T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 1:17 PM To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) Fw: Fwd: Detroit's best kept secret yeah i gotta agree..very promising stuff but a little noodley and too much standard funk in the basslines if you know what i mean...but i like the more out there stuff for sure! and there is definitely something unique and special about the feeling of the music, personal...that scores big with me.. whatsup with atlanta's best kept secret, men with no bones?!?! -Original Message- From: David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Apr 10, 2007 11:08 AM To: Jeffrey Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Fw: Fwd: Detroit's best kept secret Hi, I had never heard of them before this mention either ... If you go to their web page the music link goes to their juno mp3 page. I went and listened to all the cuts. Most of it was too much on the noodley/downtempo-house side for my taste, but I can definitely say that I was feeling Moonhacker and Solitaire, I'll probably pick those two up. ~David On 4/9/07, Jeffrey Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ummm...what did i miss? I have never heard of them, and with the reviews heard here today I am curious about them. --- Mike Melody [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Lou Sifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: Fwd: Detroit's best kept secret Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 07:10:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fwd: Detroit's best kept secret is coming out strong... www.oliverwhofactory.com Peace! Sounds like a good record from what I heard. whadda think Tim? We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. ___ _ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 _ Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon. http://games.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmemailtaglin eapril07 TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
RE: (313) Fw: Fwd: Detroit's best kept secret
Secret my a$$ they're so dope it hurts. That joint solitaire still keeps me up at night if I listen to it too late/loud. So dope. They deserve so much more attention right now. thanks for posting the link as I've never been to their site. k -Original Message- From: Mike Melody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 12:25 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Fw: Fwd: Detroit's best kept secret From: Lou Sifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: Fwd: Detroit's best kept secret Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 07:10:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fwd: Detroit's best kept secret is coming out strong... www.oliverwhofactory.com Peace! Sounds like a good record from what I heard. whadda think Tim? We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. ___ _ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 _ Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon. http://games.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmemailtaglin eapril07
RE: (313) Fw: Fwd: Detroit's best kept secret
AND mastered by ron the DON Murphy!!! Anyone heard any of this at all? Any opinions? I can't wait for this. OWF has been on my radar for at least the last couple of years and I've always managed to find all that I love about techno, in even their housiest moments and everything I love about house in even their techier sounds. Not too many I can say that about. k -Original Message- From: Mike Melody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 12:25 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Fw: Fwd: Detroit's best kept secret From: Lou Sifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: Fwd: Detroit's best kept secret Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 07:10:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fwd: Detroit's best kept secret is coming out strong... www.oliverwhofactory.com Peace! Sounds like a good record from what I heard. whadda think Tim? We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. ___ _ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 _ Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon. http://games.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmemailtaglin eapril07
RE: (313) Fw: Fwd: Detroit's best kept secret
I may have missed something on the site (not much there as far as I could see), but is this album (is it an album or just a new 12?) definitely going to be a comp of older stuff or is it a whole new deal? I'm hoping for all new stuff. I've still gotta pick up a couple of things I want by them, but I really want to hear a cohesive concept from start to finish by them. I just have this feeling that they can blow me away if they had the time and space. I guess it always comes back to the future, huh? Time and spce. Ps. I'm prolly just way off base as usual. k
RE: (313) Weatherall - Reggae/Dub/Hip Hop
Not quite. It was actually brought to the lisland by the original east Indians that were brought there before the Africans. As was the ganjah and most of the rasta beliefs about word sound and power (which is the cornerstone of the nyhabingi order as well as their creed). The Indians that were brought over were all of the ancient Kashmir shaivite sect of Hinduism. A large part of their ritual is centered around the smoking of the ganjah and achieving a state of openness and power through the recitation of certain words/sounds of power while beating a very specific three part drum tune (father drum, kete drum, funde drum). The rasta's adopted this more mystical approach and blended it with the more progressive political views of the time (enter garvey)and a few kinda skewed ideas about emmanuel and emperor selassie and voila! Ratsa as a religion and political movement. I was raised rasta and spent a lot of time in the Binghi camps up in st anns. And even down there, few rastas willingly accept their east Indian roots. But check out the old school shaivites. You'll see what I mean. And I can't believe no ones mentioned Dread at the Controls mikey dread was one of the dub producers that stayed around, stayed progressive and didn't shy away from the digital. Imo, he was the only one besides tubby to achieve a proper balance of the really crazy digital sounds and effects and the original heaviness and sloppy thudding energy of the old ghetto sound. Check wall street dub, proper education, and jumping master for a good sample. I'm pretty sure he's got a website and when I went to ask about vinyl awhile ago, his wife answered the email address (only cause he was on tour!) and I ended up getting almost everything he's done on wax! Nice peeps. Others that haven't been mentioned are prince fari (in the dub poets section), nyhabinghi elders, and if you can find any of the maytals stuff in dub (think Trojan did a thing awhile ago) it's golden. Sorry for the long post. Back to the darks. K mwnb -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 5:33 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Weatherall - Reggae/Dub/Hip Hop if you REALLY want to get to the heart of reggae then definitely check out Ras Michael and the whole Nyahbinghi movement it's totally stripped down the core of the music - the rhythm - very spiritual music and apparently started with the free and escaped slaves in Jamaica sorry, scratch that - it originated in the 40s but it took it's influences directly from the music of Africans enslaved in the islands MEK
RE: (313) the scene
I beat the internet in 92. K mwnb -Original Message- From: chad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 3:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: (313) the scene at some point in your respective quests to beat the internet, i'm sure you came across this. maybe some of you long before that.. for those that haven't: http://tinyurl.com/3a4msl .
RE: (313) Mark de Clive-Lowe WOOPS!
Julie Dexter is teh bom. k -Original Message- From: john arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 5:06 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Mark de Clive-Lowe WOOPS! sorry guysits saturday, march 10th! Mark de Clive-lowe will be performing live with Julie Dexter at: Prive 155 w. Congress Detroit tickets available at recordtime Myself and Jeremy Ellis will also be in the house... plus Edwin Fabre.
RE: (313) New Demf line up
SO. FACKING. THERE. K-MONEY -Original Message- From: Nick Breinich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 1:13 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) New Demf line up agreed. they do need to put some good hiphop on. i'm biased but my #1 would be madlib though he doesn't really like to play live much. i guess i'm still sore i missed jaylib. madvillain live would be stellar. -nick On 2/27/07, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oh yeah, if you look at the overview section it says the festival headliner is moodymann live. that is just incredible. im flabbergasted. tom On 2/27/07, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/27/07, Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well. That's pretty darn good. im kind of scared now. i mean, why this lineup after last year's? its so different in nearly every possible way. it seems like they might actually know what theyre doing. ill only pass final judgement once i see the final lineup, but this is really good so far. my only qualms at this point: they need more house, some soul, some hiphop, some ghetto tech and some other weirdo stuff. the good thing is that almost all of that is available in world class talent from the detroit area, so it shouldnt be hard for them to get those guys locked up. i agree with kent on the robert rich selection, very well thought out choice. im loving the live elements being a big part of it as well. jeff mills again is an excellent choice as well. im getting too excited already! tom
RE: (313) DEMF Partial Lineup
Well, I missed last year, so I kinda have to go this year. To be honest, I'll go just to see shake outdoors. That ish's gonna be magic...again. I hope to link up with some of you there as well. k -Original Message- From: Minto George [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 11:50 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) DEMF Partial Lineup I said last year would be my last DEMF for a few years but seeing the initial lineup looks so tempting. I'll never forget the 1st one. Flew into Detroit on a rainy Saturday morning with a lot of excitement and anticipation of what my weekend would be like. It was the first time JT and I had met in person as he was there to pick me up from the airport where we shared a great smoke on the drive into Hart Plaza to the festival hearing 3 hours of Basic Channel. The sound of BC on the mainstage that day was my very first DEMF moment. It was otherworldly and the 3 days in Detroit that year left me with the hair on the back of my neck standing up for 72 hours and forever inspired. I encourage any of you who have never been to go and experience Detroit and its music, be it at the festival or the amazing afterparties, and see what I and many others on this list have felt and heard at least once. minto down low music http://downlowmusic.org UPCOMING '07 Convextion dLVEXTCD Nebraska dLNEBLP NEW dL sister label VEXT
RE: (313) DEMF Partial Lineup
So I'm feeling 'bout 10 outta the 23 mentioned. Better stats than last year. Too much unassociated minimal. And mike mayer better bring it and leave that trance ish at the crib. Where dem after phties at? Anybody hear anything? k -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 9:54 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) DEMF Partial Lineup On 2/23/07, John Sokolowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anthony Shake Shakir Detroit Baby Ford Zip I-Fach/London Perlon/Berlin Kenny Dixon Jr + Band Losoul Monolake Rhythm Sound 6 hour live with vocals Vladislav Delay this is a good start.. tom
RE: (313) mad mike interview link
I agree on the whole with your views on this one tom. I'd like to point out, that even though America pushes individualism in every way, it has contrived some ingenious ways of sneaking conformity into the mix. It's almost like subgenres to me. You can think you're being individual by buying the most extreme clothing in dark tones and wearing shocking makeup and even bones around your neck, but in the end...you're just being goth. Or nerdy, or preppy, or gangsta, or any of the other prefabbed individual identities already marketed and concepted out for you by the corresponding media. Art zines, hip-hop zines, geek zines. They all come with their own sense of fashion and identity. Some kind of collective individuality. That's an oxymoron to most thinking people, but it's what most Americans engage in when they believe they're expressing their individuality. So that issue is a much more complex one in America due to the spread and almost ravenous feeding upon/profiting from of trends and fads. One kid may have been being an individual, but as soon as he gets a shot in someones blog, there's the rest coming to sign up. I'd even say, that save for the few visionaries, individualism is almost non-existent in America. I mean people still vote based on who they think will get the most votes (as opposed to who they believe in)and will openly say so in front of cameras. As someone said recently :)The situation is grey. k -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 5:24 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) mad mike interview link On 2/13/07, diana potts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: re: techno- couldn't you really credit the roots (the start of the chain reaction) to germany and well we won't point any fingers for Giorgio Moroder and what his productions lead to (viva Italia). both giorgio and kraftwerk took much influence from american music: see the quote about kraftwerk studying james brown's rhythm and just about any good moroder interview where he talks about motown and how he copied many of his ideas from american r+b. but that isnt the point, of course, and its not the argument i was trying to make. i was simply pointing out how many innovations have come from american (not even just in music, in general!) minds and that the focus on individuality has something to do with that. tom
(313) some On Topic for all tastes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b54rB64fXY4 gil scott - we almost lost Detroit this was 1990, I swear the man hasn't lost a touch if his charm and voice. Detroit roots for real this song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE21mRGXpdY awesome views of the city. The perspectives make it look spooky. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3B8JLBM02s devo's great. I want a dj desk like that big computer console. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lytgjRgRrXo amp's chest hair is mad nappy. Almost Bobby Mcferrin, but not quite as peasy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OBhasMraMY the guys that originally made me want to go to Detroit. This is the original video for this hard to find (not now I guess eh?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD-Ve_j4H2o unofficial video for deetron. I like the track and the video is fitting, even if it isn't official. K **Tug Your God Out**
RE: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout
Basically sez the euro contingent have institutionalized bad records. Just kidding. Eq curve = Basically the mastering lab cuts a certain amount which is automatically boosted again by the phono input (hence the separate inputs for record players. With the smaller groove width, they had to adjust the standards for the eq curve so that they could cut louder highs into the groove with less space for the needle to dance. In doing this they also jacked up the 0 setting as well. All this adds up to a different type of amplification when the record gets played back. So it sounds louder. Basically. k-money -Original Message- From: Jamil Ali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:55 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: kent williams; Thomas D. Cox, Jr. Subject: Re: (313) Carl Craig :: The Workout From the prairie cat FAQ: http://www.prairiecatmastering.com/qna.html Q: Why do my import records sound louder? A: The standard for mastering vinyl in certain European countries is different than what we have in America. One big difference is that these import records have a zero level setting which is four decibels higher in level (volume) than we have with the N.A.B./RIAA standard. Another difference has to do with encoding and decoding. All records have an encoding and decoding process which contains an equalization curve. The RIAA standard is a flat line starting at 0 db at 1K and reaching +19.8 db at 20K and going down to -19.8 db at 20 hz. These curves are reproduced in their opposite when a turntable is plugged into a phono pre-amp or the phono inputs of a receiver. That's why if you plug a turntable into an auxiliary or CD input it doesn't sound right. The European standard is different. This standard suppresses more high frequencies during the cutting. This allows them to cut more high-end (treble) in the grooves at a louder level (volume) while avoiding distortion than is possible with the RIAA specifications. The N.A.B./RIAA spec calls for a nominal groove width of 2 millimeters while the European standard uses a nominal groove width of 1.6 millimeters. This allows more total time to be cut on a given side at 0 db. Sounds relevant, though I don't really get it.. J kent williams wrote: Ron Murphy does a pretty good job of doing just enough when he cuts that there is still some dynamics left. The Prairie Cat guy (who did a lot of 430 West records) is the same way. They both cut really well-balanced records. There's plenty of limiting and compression involved, they just don't overdo it. But there is no shortage of people who just want their stuff to be louder. Vote with your feet on this one -- if it doesn't sound good don't play it. On 1/30/07, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no way. listen to NCS mastering jobs on many records out of detroit, its not the case on those. UR, planet e, sound signature, none of these labels are super compressing their stuff. and im sure there's more. its definitely more of a problem with euro/UK records. tom -- Jamil Ali (416) 364-9227 ext. 31 www.orcsoftware.com
RE: (313) New Acid
Tin man's drifters acid is a little lighthearted romp through acid wonderland as well. Not much lighthearted acid these days. Good sunrise set in the mountains track. That love sex acid is md emotional and deep. Nice call. k -Original Message- From: Jacob Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 10:27 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) New Acid I've been really digging these two from last year: Tin Man: Love Sex Acid (Keys of Life) Tyrone Latrelle: Remote Drone EP (RZ)
RE: (313) New Acid
AND actually didn't latrelle release a thing called bus to Detroit or something last year? I remember loving it too. Bouncy little number. Hot. Not sure if I nailed the title though. k -Original Message- From: Jacob Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 10:27 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) New Acid I've been really digging these two from last year: Tin Man: Love Sex Acid (Keys of Life) Tyrone Latrelle: Remote Drone EP (RZ)
RE: (313) New Acid
Boom boom! I knew it was something to do with a freaking bus. Haha! It's a really nice bubbly tune with these little droplet sounds and that shuffle rhythm I love so much. Niceness. k -Original Message- From: Jacob Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 11:34 AM To: Stoddard, Kamal Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) New Acid Yeah, they both released two records last year. The other Latrelle one is My Feeling EP with the track Greyhound To Detroit. I think they're all on Beatport too. J Stoddard, Kamal wrote: AND actually didn't latrelle release a thing called bus to Detroit or something last year? I remember loving it too. Bouncy little number. Hot. Not sure if I nailed the title though. k -Original Message- From: Jacob Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 10:27 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) New Acid I've been really digging these two from last year: Tin Man: Love Sex Acid (Keys of Life) Tyrone Latrelle: Remote Drone EP (RZ)
RE: (313) New Acid
Pretty sure they call that feeling soul in some parts of the world Tom. You're right...hard to put into words. I don't even try. Even with guys like derrick carter, who I haven't really felt a release from in yars, the older exploratory acid stuff he did (like acid blue and the one he did with tortoise) is still some of the deepest, slowest, illest acid stuff I've got. I know what you mean. :) k -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 1:33 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) New Acid On 1/25/07, Ronny Pries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the pressings were too clean and the tracks not recorded to almost dead tapes :) haha, well maybe thats part of it, but not all of it. i really cant describe it. there are a couple exceptions of UK acid records that i like, like guy called gerald and 808 state style stuff. i also like DHS house of god, but even that starts to take on that weird edge that the chicago stuff doesnt really mesh with. the sounds are so alike but the feeling couldnt be more different. tom
RE: (313) 3 years weblog: MP3RebelbassCD
U, when I click the audio icons, it takes me to another page in dutch. Does anyone have direct links to the files? Am I bugging out? I'm buggin huh? k -Original Message- From: Tristan Watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 7:43 AM To: 'Rebelbass/bookings'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) 3 years weblog: MP3RebelbassCD -Original Message- From: Rebelbass/bookings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 December 2006 09:46 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) 3 years weblog: MP3RebelbassCD Hi Celebrating the 3 years anniversary of my weblog with a 16 track dnwld mp3 cd compilation of dutch artists who donated (exclusive and live) tracks. Amongst them are: duplex, alden tyrell, like a tim , peel seamus, funckarma, and more. We designed also 2 sleeves for dnwld. So ripp it, cut it, burn it, and enjoy! http://3voor12.vpro.nl/weblogs/rebelbass/bericht/32002557 Nice! Really like the Peel Seamus and Unyx tracks in particular. The latter is insane... Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/580 - Release Date: 08/12/2006 12:53
RE: (313) 3 years weblog: MP3RebelbassCD
Awesome! Thanks. And there's nothing to be sorry for. These are free! K mwnb -Original Message- From: Rebelbass/bookings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 1:09 PM To: Stoddard, Kamal; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) 3 years weblog: MP3RebelbassCD Hi kamal There is a problem with the files because there was a major 3voor12website upgrade. They will fix the problem that appeared after the upgrade (dwnld mp3 changes in real/media audio stream) Tomorrow hopefully fixed. Sorry. It is out of my reach. Please try again later or tomorrow :( Thanks aida U, when I click the audio icons, it takes me to another page in dutch. Does anyone have direct links to the files? Am I bugging out? I'm buggin huh? k -Original Message- From: Tristan Watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 7:43 AM To: 'Rebelbass/bookings'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) 3 years weblog: MP3RebelbassCD -Original Message- From: Rebelbass/bookings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 December 2006 09:46 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) 3 years weblog: MP3RebelbassCD Hi Celebrating the 3 years anniversary of my weblog with a 16 track dnwld mp3 cd compilation of dutch artists who donated (exclusive and live) tracks. Amongst them are: duplex, alden tyrell, like a tim , peel seamus, funckarma, and more. We designed also 2 sleeves for dnwld. So ripp it, cut it, burn it, and enjoy! http://3voor12.vpro.nl/weblogs/rebelbass/bericht/32002557 Nice! Really like the Peel Seamus and Unyx tracks in particular. The latter is insane... Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: (313) Re: [ok] Re: (313) Mills' Last Weekend Tracklist Update
DM PHRED! That's the knowledge of old right there. I love getting good info like that. And you even shot the photo! Class dismissed. Hahahaha. That was great. k -Original Message- From: Fred Heutte [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 4:10 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Re: [ok] Re: (313) Mills' Last Weekend Tracklist Update Be careful when extrapolating from limited experience. Clipping is one source of distortion, but not the only possibility. The definition of clipping is simple: it occurs when an amplifier output voltage would be higher than the input voltage. The signal waveform is clipped so that the output voltage is no greater than the input. Most audio amps are Class A or AB and won't clip except under extreme conditions. But radio frequency (RF) amps have many different designs. Class A (linear amplifiers) have relatively low efficiency but as with audio amps generally don't clip unless excessively overdriven. Not so with Class B and C. By definition these amps have clipping all the time, but they are used for modes (CW or Morse Code, frequency-shift keying, etc.) where it is not critical to have a pure waveform. The gains in throughput power are considered worth the tradeoff. Class B designs are basically lab-only curiosities, but Class C used to be fairly widespread in ham radio before the advent of the linear amplifier boom in the 1960s. (Actually most ham amps are Class AB2 cathode-driven a/k/a grounded grid where clipping can occur if the amp is improperly tuned). The whole trick with Class C operation was to maximize output while keeping the clipping from causing undue distortion and interference. In my CW op days I used a couple Class C amps (known fondly as boat anchors because of the size of the old gear). Here's one I used a few times, the Viking Courier, which could operate in Class A for voice or Class C for CW: http://www.qsl.net/la5ki/org/vi/cou.htm The advent of a new generation of tubes like the 3-500Z in the 1960s and the decline in CW-only stations led to the practical demise of Class C, although it is now undergoing a boom in a completely different context for digital transmission modes. fh - On 12/5/06, Stoddard, Kamal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The difference is with the waveform. Compression/distortion is not (...really) the same as clipping. And generally speaking, they're recognized as being the result of a lack of analogue or digital overhead respectively. You can call it what you want, and in extreme cases of compression, you can get that square wave form (clips), but it'll never sound the same and that's the real reason for the distinction. exactly, ive never heard any analogue signal clip in anything like the way of just overdriving the signal into your computer will. by the time your analogue signal got that high, it would probably just sound like white noise anyway. tmo
RE: (313) Re: [ok] Re: (313) Mills' Last Weekend Tracklist Update
Seriously, I need this: Be careful when extrapolating from limited experience. On a t-shirt with techno lives on the back. I know I'm a geek because that post got me really excited and I'm not trying to find out more about ham radio even though I have absolutely no intention of getting/using one. I'm rambling. Sorry. Hahahahahahaha! K mwnb -Original Message- From: Fred Heutte [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 4:10 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Re: [ok] Re: (313) Mills' Last Weekend Tracklist Update Be careful when extrapolating from limited experience. Clipping is one source of distortion, but not the only possibility. The definition of clipping is simple: it occurs when an amplifier output voltage would be higher than the input voltage. The signal waveform is clipped so that the output voltage is no greater than the input. Most audio amps are Class A or AB and won't clip except under extreme conditions. But radio frequency (RF) amps have many different designs. Class A (linear amplifiers) have relatively low efficiency but as with audio amps generally don't clip unless excessively overdriven. Not so with Class B and C. By definition these amps have clipping all the time, but they are used for modes (CW or Morse Code, frequency-shift keying, etc.) where it is not critical to have a pure waveform. The gains in throughput power are considered worth the tradeoff. Class B designs are basically lab-only curiosities, but Class C used to be fairly widespread in ham radio before the advent of the linear amplifier boom in the 1960s. (Actually most ham amps are Class AB2 cathode-driven a/k/a grounded grid where clipping can occur if the amp is improperly tuned). The whole trick with Class C operation was to maximize output while keeping the clipping from causing undue distortion and interference. In my CW op days I used a couple Class C amps (known fondly as boat anchors because of the size of the old gear). Here's one I used a few times, the Viking Courier, which could operate in Class A for voice or Class C for CW: http://www.qsl.net/la5ki/org/vi/cou.htm The advent of a new generation of tubes like the 3-500Z in the 1960s and the decline in CW-only stations led to the practical demise of Class C, although it is now undergoing a boom in a completely different context for digital transmission modes. fh - On 12/5/06, Stoddard, Kamal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The difference is with the waveform. Compression/distortion is not (...really) the same as clipping. And generally speaking, they're recognized as being the result of a lack of analogue or digital overhead respectively. You can call it what you want, and in extreme cases of compression, you can get that square wave form (clips), but it'll never sound the same and that's the real reason for the distinction. exactly, ive never heard any analogue signal clip in anything like the way of just overdriving the signal into your computer will. by the time your analogue signal got that high, it would probably just sound like white noise anyway. tmo
RE: (313) Mills' Last Weekend Tracklist Update
The difference is with the waveform. Compression/distortion is not (...really) the same as clipping. And generally speaking, they're recognized as being the result of a lack of analogue or digital overhead respectively. You can call it what you want, and in extreme cases of compression, you can get that square wave form (clips), but it'll never sound the same and that's the real reason for the distinction. K mwnb -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 11:12 AM To: 313@Hyperreal.Org Subject: FW: (313) Mills' Last Weekend Tracklist Update No analogue signals do too. They tend to do it in a more progressive way where digital signals clip very abruptly but any system is going to have a maximum level which you can't exceed (otherwise we could just use tiny analogue amps and turn them up to 11 or 111 and get huge outputs!). -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 December 2006 15:56 On 12/4/06, Garrett McGrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: whatever was going on with jeff clipping the sound system how does one clip a sound system with analogue records? only digital signals clip.
RE: (313) Music Recommenders
Looks like they're trying to say that redshape is commercial? Did I read that wrong? And who's marcel dettman? A pop alias for the man called peel? More questions than answers... :) K
RE: (313) Music Recommenders
Oh! I just didn't know is all. Things can be very different across the pond. More than once I've found artists I thought to be underground in the US were pretty all over the charts out there. I was about to start hating on yall if redshape was pop. Cause that would be fresh. I guess it's that sarcasm thing I sometimes get slagged off for NOT getting. I'm a dolt though. It's funny now that I know though. K P.S. @MEK! Is that fallon.com as in jimmy fallon? K K K K K K K K K K mwnb -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 2:49 PM To: Stoddard, Kamal Cc: 313@hyperreal.org; Martin Dust Subject: RE: (313) Music Recommenders It's a joke - don't take it so seriously. Dettman works at Hard Wax and is releasing records now. http://clone.nl/shop.html?find=marcel+dettmanreset=1 :-) MEK Stoddard, Kamal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/04/2006 12:46:27 PM: Looks like they're trying to say that redshape is commercial? Did I read that wrong? And who's marcel dettman? A pop alias for the man called peel? More questions than answers... :) K
RE: (313) RE: Neotrance (Was (313) EevoNext presents: Terrace Unchained EP)
Checked 'em. They just sound like regular trance to me, with a little (like nano little) more creativity. Kompakt. Ha! Trance by any other name is still for suckers. K mwnb -Original Message- From: Blaauw, Martijn de [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 5:45 AM To: kent williams; list 313 Subject: (313) RE: Neotrance (Was (313) EevoNext presents: Terrace Unchained EP) '18 years' by Crowdpleaser St. Plombs (Kompakt) is also described as neotrance. Also 'Boogy Bytes Vol 1.' by DJ Kiki has some neotrance on it. I have to say that this mix by Kiki is quite nice to listen to..and i guess James Holden is sometimes described as neotrance as well. Also recommended 'Immer 2' (Kompakt) mixalbum by Michael Mayer. My 2 eurocents this rainy election morning.. Martijn (who hopes he will not get kicked of the list for writing about the word trance on a technolist:-) -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: dinsdag 21 november 2006 16:53 Aan: list 313 Onderwerp: Re: (313) EevoNext presents: Terrace Unchained EP So I went to the EevoNext site and bought the catalog -- which isn't bad, 14Eu -- and I'm really liking the whole lot. The new Terrace material is elegantly constructed. I don't know what 'Neotrance' means, but what I'm hearing is a really lush fusion of techno, italo, electro, and ... whatever's in the water in Nederlands. On 11/20/06, Klaas-Jan Jongsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Artist: Terrace Title: Unchained EP Label: EevoNext Cat no: NEXT01 Format: Digital UPC code: 859700091715 Release date: 20-11-2006 Style: Techno/Neotrance Description
RE: (313) RE: Neotrance (Was (313) EevoNext presents: Terrace Unchained EP)
and then flounder in how they progress. And that's where they lost me right thurr. At that exact moment. I'm not going to bash kompakt or anything, No worries, I got that covered. :) but much of their music has that trance for techno people sound. Hy! Techno people aren't suckers (most of 'em at least). And I told you before, trance by any other name... Hahahahaha! k
RE: (313) RE: Neotrance (Was (313) EevoNext presents: Terrace Unchained EP)
i think it's a little bit of the same. I mean, my perceived idea of quality is entirely dependent on my personal taste. Unless you're one of those folks who feel that there is an objective technical definition of Quality (but we've been through this though, yes?). but then that's why lists like this exist. So we can examine these points through a shared (and sometimes not-so-shared) lens made up of few key agreeances (quality, placement, arrangement, etc). either these things are not as important, or they have a different emphasis to other heads (trance-boys) and hence the great divide. I mean, I just heard a MURS track (hip-hop) where he states, I'm tired of the same old verse-chorus-verse-chorus-verse now that may not be important to other hip-hop heads, but it's spawned a whole subculture of rap based on non-standard stuff. And in that culture, the more experimental bizniss is held high even though half of it couldn't move anything below the neck. Meaning at some point a group decided that it's more important to push boudaries than to merely move booties. I guess it's just what's important to people at any given time. Make any sense? k -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 12:10 PM To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) RE: Neotrance (Was (313) EevoNext presents: Terrace Unchained EP) Of course Twatkins should pop up and remind us that there was a time when Trance wasn't a dirty word ... back when Tom Cox was rocking Vanilla Ice tapes in 6th Grade ;-) There are a lot of artists who seem to really jump the shark, apparently to get the big gigs in the big rooms in Europe. The Circulation series had some gems that really work on the dance floor, and then they got all 'Progressive' or whatever you call it, and they seemed to be bathing in a giant vat of Suck. Sander Kleinenberg has made some truly beautiful tracks that are in that indefinable sweet spot between techno, deep house and trance, stuff you could mix with e.g. Terrace and John Beltran. And then he's got the stuff he does in order to be a big room DJ in Europe for the E'd up teens... *shudder* Which brings up a more relevant-to-313 point: Sure we all think 'our' guys -- i.e. real techno, Detroit House/Deep House/Whatever DJs -- rule, and Trance DJs are a bunch of narcissistic pederasts. But -- isn't _every_ really well-made DJ set on some level emotionally manipulative? So you don't have a long build up with simplistic A Minor, C Major, G Major, D Major synth twittering, but aren't you trying to do the same thing, only with Tracks That Do Not Suck? Is there something inherently more authentic and deep about the manipulations of 'our' DJs vs the TranceWankers? I'm not trying to stir the pot, I'm actually curious what people think. How much of the judgement is based on any perceived idea of quality, and how much is just a matter of taste?
RE: (313) Convextion
(hint to those with the vinyl -- the beatless d2 track is actually excerpted from a 30 minute epic) HAHA! I fxcking knew it! Dude, that one's been one of the most played around my house at the moment. I listened to it on Saturday morning with my daughter (who loves ambient because it's pretty music) for like an hour straight (not easy to do with vinyl). We were both saying that it keeps sounding like it should keep going. She's 12 and pretty sharp. She was saying how all the other songs on the album change and it seems like this one wanted to change, but it just ends. I thought it was an awesome observation, but then I kept listening and it does. Man! Now I goa hear this. And the Tristan technical study was dope! Nice to hear what we all understand articulated so academically. K mwnb
RE: (313) Convextion
What blew me away was the phrase wanted to change. Kinda freaks me out. She like's crunk more than anything, but sometimes, she says stuff like that and reminds me that even though our tastes may differ, she's really paying attention. And that wants thing makes me think she's actually feeling it more than listening. Oh, well. I guess she's already aced techno 101 (aka emotional connection to frequency modulations). Sucks cause I wanted to be able to take credit for that one in like 4 years. I'd be all like, what! Mn, before me you were just hearing the tones mn. I taught you how to FL the beat. Without me you'd be nothing! There goes that. k -Original Message- From: J.T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 11:57 AM To: Stoddard, Kamal; Odeluga,Ken; list 313 Subject: RE: (313) Convextion should keep going. She's 12 and pretty sharp. She was saying how all the other songs on the album change and it seems like this one wanted to change, but it just ends. I thought it was an awesome observation, but then I kept listening and it does. Man! Now I goa hear this. hehe dang that is some keen observationing! yeah it gets beats! and a really jacky bassline/sound mutates out of the depths, more little dubby touches...turns into a pretty dancefloor track somehow.. i'm pretty certain we'll be putting an edit of the track, with the beats, on vinyl too... sometime around the time of the album...
(313) happy friday!!!!
If you a freaky dancing ho keep shaking that shxt http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpQSvlPDZw8mode=relatedsearch= soap and water, soap and water..hahahahahaha! ghetto indulgence in the morning. AND NOW! **in honour of alex bond** question of the day: what does hircismus have to do with techno? :D K mwnb
(313) all atlanta based AI humanoid lifeforms
http://munistudios.com/no_humans_allowed landstrumm live. No grime. No dubstep. Straight techno. Drumbox freakout. Fxck the rest of the lineup. Mostly Mediocre (with the exception of the Arizona fella, never heard him so can't say). Baltz might do something, and maybe ian if he don't go proggy. But go for neil and wear shades in the dark. See you robots there. Should be serious. K mwnb
RE: (313) all atlanta based AI humanoid lifeforms
Oh yeah, free mix at the link. Hit it. K mwnb -Original Message- From: Stoddard, Kamal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 12:47 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) all atlanta based AI humanoid lifeforms http://munistudios.com/no_humans_allowed landstrumm live. No grime. No dubstep. Straight techno. Drumbox freakout. Fxck the rest of the lineup. Mostly Mediocre (with the exception of the Arizona fella, never heard him so can't say). Baltz might do something, and maybe ian if he don't go proggy. But go for neil and wear shades in the dark. See you robots there. Should be serious. K mwnb
RE: (313) Spreading my disappointment to the rest of the world
I dunno man, they always came off like some knockoff sax jazz something-tronic that just always left a bad taste in my mouth. And it didn't age well IMO either. I still have some tunes I dig, but on the whole, I've always been disappointed my them musically. Maybe I expected more from germans back then. k -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 5:09 PM To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Spreading my disappointment to the rest of the world Tangerine Dream made some really great records back in the day -- Atem, Phaedra, and Rubicon, and the Sorcerer soundtrack are all great examples of German Electronica from the 70s. They kind of starting to suck really bad once all the original members except Edgar Froese left. And once Froese had his son play guitar it got truly embarrassing... More to the point, Tristan's disappointment stems from finding out that a favorite track from Global Communications isn't 100% original. He's not disappointed in Tangerine Dream, he's disappointed with GC. If you get the Harmonic 33 CD, you will stop being disappointed. IMHO. On 11/10/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey dude, i never liked tangerine dream, and still don't. I don't kniow what this run about disappointment is about, I am trying to figure it out.
RE: (313) not receiving first posts only replies
Naahhh. It happened to me as well with this post in particular and I get the option to scan and unjunk any messages my spam filters weed out. I do this twice a day. I never got it. k -Original Message- From: Matt Kane's Brain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@Hyperreal.Org Subject: Re: (313) not receiving first posts only replies Any idea what your server-side spam filtering situation is? That's my first inkling. On Nov 8, 2006, at 11:43, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So it's obviously happened again (as I never got Marc's post). This is turning into a @%* nuisance. Come on you technical lurkers - what gives with this and the list? -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 November 2006 15:19 To: Marc Kremers / Tex-server Cc: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) New Music Hi all, first post! Welcome to 313 Marc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 November 2006 18:14 To: 313@Hyperreal.Org Subject: FW: (313) Strand on MySpace - Hear complete Intact sample This happens to me too. -Original Message- From: henrique casanova [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 November 2006 18:04 for some reason I never ever receive the original emails sent to 313, only the replys of the topics. -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: (313) a litle story (was Strand on MySpace - Hear complete Intact sample)
Nice one. k -Original Message- From: henrique casanova [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 1:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) a litle story (was Strand on MySpace - Hear complete Intact sample) here in Porto Alegre a groups of friends make the party Fusion, that have 16 years old now. the party is one of the very few projects that work with detroit techno and deep house in Brasil. no need to say its completly underground. I can recall a party we made in 2002 (almost shure) in a classic club of the city. a few hours before the party a popular artist came from Sao Paulo and the club ower decided to put him in owr line up. he played hard eletronic music (I wont call that techno)with distorted eletric guitarrs. something similar with hard psy trance I would say. after his set (that got some people exited but most of the people confused), I left the dance floor with no music for about 10 seconds and puted the song STRAND - GEORGES to play, from the begining to the end, with no mixes, in pitch 0. it was sort of a purification of the dance floor. after that I begun a minimal techno sets as I was doing that time (M Plant and Search records mainly). it was a very weird party. hehe. georges is my favorite Strand track. From: Brian Boyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Re: Strand on MySpace - Hear complete Intact sample Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 11:49:17 -0500 Fair enough. Well, there's always next time to blow your wig back. I'm just happy you had the moxy to be honest. It's all subjective and we may totally disagree with an opinion, but it's interesting to see how differently people will respond to the same stimulus. At least, I find it interesting. Maybe I shouldn't speak for Brian and Kech. Boyer On Nov 7, 2006, at 10:01 AM, Tristan Watkins wrote: - Original Message - From: Brian Boyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 1:55 PM Subject: (313) Re: Strand on MySpace - Hear complete Intact sample Now that's what I'm talking about. Thanks for the comments. I, for one, have been pretty lazy when it comes to beats in the past, which I thought was odd because I'm a pretty good drummer. The drums don't change in Intact and I can see how that might be a sticking point for some people. It is for me in a lot of instances, especially in the music we're working on now. However, it doesn't bother me in this case because the rest of the song changes so much melodically. Intact, in general, is supposed to be reminiscent of an older style and feel. Kind of a minimal track with a classic Detroit stringiness to it. Well I think it definitely works in that regard, and is reminiscent of the older style, when techno was so similar to house, and both had similar arrangements. A great example of this is TP's 'Your Love', which has the same beat unchanging throughout, and he even pushes out the repitition to 16 bar loops for most of the track, but it's such a hook that it carries you with it anyway. With that track I always wished there had been another version, because I've always thought it worked despite the arrangement, not because of it. That's pretty much how I feel about Intact too. Tristan === [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phonopsia.co.uk _ Seja um dos primeiros a testar o novo Windows Live Mail Beta- grátis. Acesse http://www.ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d
RE: (313) convextion album
Alright. I guess this is as good a time as any to say this. THE NEW CONVEXTION JOINT IS FACKING AMAZING! Okay, aside from the fact that it sounds like the basic channel template has been stuck in a hyper-evolutionary time folding chamber for like eons just becoming sentient and this popped out... ...yeah, aside from that, this is some of the most detailed, fluctuating, pulse-waving, freaky ish out there. I kept laughing as I put on track after track and thought to myself, guess dude doesn't like hi hats and snares? then only to realize a couple bowls later they were perfectly there, just phased to Pluto and buried dp in the mix. Which brings me to the keyword here. Dep. Not deep like, wow...man...that's deep... or the afro-house people deep. I mean deep as in literally. There are sounds buried so deep in the sonic layering that (for the first time in a long time)I feel like a real aquanaut again going exploring for sounds and watching them shift all together at times like a school of fish (alien pretty fish). There were a couple songs I didn't really stick with to the end...but I was still feeling them joints. I haven't even looked at the track titles so I can't give specifics on names yet. Just remember, it doesn't take much to get lost in there. Really lost. Not the show. Your mind... I also got the ERP joint I missed awhile back. OMFG! I really still can't describe this one. It's beautiful and growls at your face. The one thing I found disconcerting about both of these though was they were FAST. Like some of sheds's older stuff. Like at -8 it's just grooving. It doesn't detract from the songs at all just the mixability with some of my other stuff. Truth be told, I hope Mr. Vext never reads this as I'd hate to taint the process with thoughts of mixability. Oh yeah! and I got the custom hood-art on both sleeve pieces by senor sharkface JTizzletron which takes it from like collectible to heirloom status. One of the best vinyl purchases I've ever made. And as a nod to the kids reaction thread: My boys were all over the electro Saturday morning. They were into the hard fast stuff. Thrashing, throwing the couch pillows, and not even caring if I was looking. Just ballsout. Full on dancing with their mean faces(awesome). Then I went into some of the more straightup 4x4 dubby deep stuff and they started doing some weird ground dancing that almost went breakdancy but then they petered out and went for cinnamon toast. Next time I'm gonna get flix. Yall gone bug. K mwnb
RE: (313) Black Replica
Ooh. Creepy, and yes...fresh indeed. k -Original Message- From: J.T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 7:27 PM To: 313 Subject: (313) Black Replica waaah http://www.myspace.com/blackreplica gerald i mean heinrich dropping some insanely fresh sicknesss!! most striking refreshing thing he's done since dopplereffekt in my opinion, with the concept and the mood, the just plain freakiness of it... watch the video's on youtube too ahhh just in time for halloween ;)
RE: (313) radio interview about the early toronto rave scene
I'm more blown away by the things I discover existing in the now... ... and the possibilities of what might be out there in the present, lurking behind something familiar, is more exciting than looking toward things that might be...one day. I believe we live in the future, we've just been fooled into thinking it's still groundhogs day. Most people, while dreaming of a fond past or a more pleasant future are actually living the same day over and over and over and over and over again. And that's why they dream doctor. k -Original Message- From: Fred Heutte [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 5:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) radio interview about the early toronto rave scene It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra - People focus on the past because the future hasn't happened yet, and the present is so hard to pin down. On 10/25/06, Neil Wiernik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why do people focus so much on the past?
RE: (313) Convextion - Miranda
Yo DAN! Long time no hear. Don't worry dawg, If you don't get a copy, we'll go to NC on my tricycle of death and make a ransom call from JT's house (or just ask). Hey! That reminds me...if anyone's in Atlanta and wants to see neil landstrumm do a special git down warehousey ding-dong to your brain, it's happening soon. Checka k -Original Message- From: Webmaster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 12:12 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Convextion - Miranda Hey JT, I vote 2x12 since I'd never be able to track down a copy if it went limited 300 copies. The joys of living in the dirty south :) dK -Original Message- From: J.T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:56 AM To: fab.; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Convextion - Miranda yes..would you rather see it re-released as part of a 2x12 with those remixes (and a 1000+ pressing), or re-released with a bonus unreleased track, with extra special mastering packaging (and very ltd)? what do you mean JT? you mean with remixes, edits stuff like that? i'm starting to dig the idea of remixes of tracks i like.. f.
RE: (313) Convextion - Miranda
Officially, I'd say both, unless the matrix deal is/was shady. But if I had to pick one. The ltd downlow release would be the one. Unreleased track as opposed to remixes? HELLO? But I must admit my mouth watered when I heard the remix names. And as for the tricycle, I can send you a photo, but you gotta stand at least ten feet back before you look if you wanna survive the session. Word. k ps. it's not the dirt that makes it dirty...it's the girl. -Original Message- From: HB [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 3:02 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Convextion - Miranda I say 2x12 as well Now the South is not all that dirty. My self being here in NC now, find it cleaner then the Detroit Metro Area. I would also like to see photos of this tricycle of death ;) Peace, HB www.vmax.net On Oct 18, 2006, at 2:34 PM, Stoddard, Kamal wrote: Yo DAN! Long time no hear. Don't worry dawg, If you don't get a copy, we'll go to NC on my tricycle of death and make a ransom call from JT's house (or just ask). Hey! That reminds me...if anyone's in Atlanta and wants to see neil landstrumm do a special git down warehousey ding-dong to your brain, it's happening soon. Checka k -Original Message- From: Webmaster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 12:12 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Convextion - Miranda Hey JT, I vote 2x12 since I'd never be able to track down a copy if it went limited 300 copies. The joys of living in the dirty south :) dK -Original Message- From: J.T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:56 AM To: fab.; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Convextion - Miranda yes..would you rather see it re-released as part of a 2x12 with those remixes (and a 1000+ pressing), or re-released with a bonus unreleased track, with extra special mastering packaging (and very ltd)? what do you mean JT? you mean with remixes, edits stuff like that? i'm starting to dig the idea of remixes of tracks i like.. f.
RE: (313) new Stasis record!
That rekid is teh bombs. k mwnb -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 10:55 AM To: Minto George Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) new Stasis record! listening to some samples now - hotness! :-D MEK Minto George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 10/13/2006 01:36:34 AM: Not much gets me excited these days but when I heard Steve Pickton had a new release out, I headed straight over to the smallfish website to support (since it is doubtful to hit this side of the pond). fans of theo and kdj will dig this new one by him...definitely not like his classic Otherworld/B12/Peacefrog releases but still very nice. It's on Soul Jazz under the name 'Soul 223' http://www.smallfish.co.uk/shop/release/?cat=SJR145-12 down low music http://downlowmusic.org UPCOMING '06 Convextion dLVEXTLP OUT NOV 2nd!!! The Connection Machine PIJN dL013 TBA dL SHOP LOWER LEVELS http://lowrlvlz.gemm.com
RE: (313) new Stasis record!
Juno got em. Shorties though. k -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 11:08 AM To: Stoddard, Kamal Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Minto George; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) new Stasis record! can anyone point me to samples please? ta robin... Stoddard, Kamal wrote: That rekid is teh bombs. It's on Soul Jazz under the name 'Soul 223'
RE: (313) new Stasis record!
Oops! http://www.juno.co.uk/search.php?q=soul+223x=0y=0precision=allcolumn =all k mwnb -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 11:08 AM To: Stoddard, Kamal Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Minto George; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) new Stasis record! can anyone point me to samples please? ta robin... Stoddard, Kamal wrote: That rekid is teh bombs. It's on Soul Jazz under the name 'Soul 223'
RE: (313) new Omar-S
Sounds like a tools album to me. And not a very interesting one. There's even a couple that sound like less interesting versions of some old jack trax. I like a lot of omars stuff and own even more, but I don't play it out often because his levels are crap and sometimes I don't even have the headroom on the mixer to tweak it so it doesn't sound like a huge sonic chunk drops out when you cut to his joint. Albeit when I do, (and I can get the highs and mids sounding clear with the bass NOT sounding like it's pressed against a brick wall)...it goes the fxck off. He'll get it right soon. Once he learns to a-b monitors for consistency and care about final mixdowns. This one was mostly a letdown though. His sound doesn't seem to be evolving and there's not enough to it to stay interesting. I almost feel like two of these are beats tracks for previous omar joints. Maybe I just expected more...dunno. that Marcellus though...tom's on the money with the a mix wh! Okay actually I think there's a much shorter way to say all that. The Marcellus track can create a mood from anywhere. I can hear it and it activates a full mood. I think omars latest is a mood extender, meaning if you're not in that space already, it might sound dead flat, but if the mood is on hot already, it'll bump it into the next terrain. But it doesn't initiate. Zat make any sense to anyone? k -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 11:27 AM To: Mark Cullen Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) new Omar-S And, as im on the digest someone may already have posted this, but just in case... new Omar-S http://omarsdetroit.us/lps.html Thanks for the headsup Mark. Didn't I read on his myspace page that he was doing hiphop from now on (probs meaning the 110 ep)? This (111) sounds like house to me :) An observation not a complaint, mind :) Funnily enough I was going to post this morning how I'd got bored of the whole Omar S sound and his over use of loops (I've got pretty much everything he's done though so I do like something about it). I guess I need to hear this stuff on a PA though. No-one I know of plays it though robin...
RE: (313) new Omar-S
Oh yeah1 don't get me wrong, I'm all down for the tools. Especially interesting ones. And I could see the no1 track going off in my head for days when jacked right. That said, both of the plates you mentioned were by FAR more interesting tools even on first listen...outta the mix. I think one of the things I like most about techno records is that, for artists that get their stuff out there when they first start (with all the passion and direction of novelty) you often get to hear them progress and grow over the course of their releases. Of course the worst is when they don't and they begin to stagnate and recycle and ride some imaginary wave of entitlement (being from Detroit) that makes even their ass smell like roses. Dude runs with a crew that is serious and I'd expect his music to be...well, you know...representative (in quality at least)? I might say something different tomorrow. :/ k -Original Message- From: Tristan Watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 5:48 PM To: Stoddard, Kamal; 'robin'; 'Mark Cullen' Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Omar-S -Original Message- From: Stoddard, Kamal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 October 2006 21:36 To: robin; Mark Cullen Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new Omar-S Okay actually I think there's a much shorter way to say all that. The Marcellus track can create a mood from anywhere. I can hear it and it activates a full mood. I think omars latest is a mood extender, meaning if you're not in that space already, it might sound dead flat, but if the mood is on hot already, it'll bump it into the next terrain. But it doesn't initiate. Zat make any sense to anyone? It does, and I often don't mind that, although you're right it can be a let down when you know he can do more. Then again, there are some tracks that fit this bill which I totally love, like the Kai Alce on Mahogani and I Can't Take It by Rick Wade. They do very little, and a lot of people seem to avoid them (or playing them) for that reason, but they can be just the answer if you're trying to extend a good groove (as you say). I know both those tracks aren't totally like the new Omar-S stuff, but they're the type of track that some people will pass on because they don't sound nearly as good in isolation. Gotta be in the mix. 'Flat' can be one of the key dynamics in a good house mix - as setup, relief or whatever. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.12/462 - Release Date: 03/10/2006
RE: (313) dL music www updated + the convextion live mp3
Finally Whooo h! I lub thee macheenz!!! Theee machnz! k -Original Message- From: J.T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 12:35 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) dL music www updated + the convextion live mp3 we updated http://downlowmusic.org a direct link to an mp3 of the convextion liveset in london is included
RE: (313) Freaky Motherfcker
Nah, no clearance. Heck, for that matter neither does madlib. Labels have to deal with it if they want his beats. I know a bunch of artists who just don't bother. k -Original Message- From: J.T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 1:55 PM To: Carlos de Brito; António Alves Felizardo; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Freaky Motherfcker samples...clear...whuh...:P do you think any of this stuff actually gets sample clearance? (honest question) i was just talking about this exact question, moodymann and theo and sampling etc, last night with my gf.. i really doubt even their higher profile stuff on planet e or peacefrog has sample clearance, but i'm purely speculating.. -Original Message- From: Carlos de Brito [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sep 19, 2006 12:53 PM To: Ant�nio Alves Felizardo [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Freaky Motherfcker btw: is there a reason why it's still unreleased? any uncleared/unclearable (prince?) samples? this tune is the sh!t! c* Original-Nachricht Datum: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:27:33 +0100 Von: Ant�nio Alves Felizardo [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: 313@hyperreal.org Betreff: (313) Freaky Motherfcker Time to bug you guys again about this one :) Anyone have any news about it? Is Kenny going press it any time soon? I heard it recently at a club, and went totally bonkers... Antonio -- NEU: GMX DSL Sofort-Start-Set - blitzschnell ins Internet! Echte DSL-Flatrate ab 0,- Euro* http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl
RE: (313) Convextion:yes Samurai FM: NO
At least my cash is guaranteed. Wattup sean? You still around maing? k -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 5:31 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Convextion:yes Samurai FM: NO On 9/13/06, kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep in mind that Matrix is just Sean Deason, and like most of us who try and do independent labels on our own, he's probably not come out ahead financially on the deal. If you want to front him a grand, I'm sure he'd run over to Archer and have them run another batch ;-) what makes no sense is that he would obviously be able to make way more than what it takes to press them of those 2 convextions. probably ridiculously more. he should just do it. its pretty much guaranteed cash in pocket. tom
