(313) Electro track id?
Anybody help me ID this Detroit-style electro track with the following voice synthesizer spoken lyrics? I don't think it's a UR track though the lyrics sure make it seem that way. In 1995 - incorporated is formed with substantial backing from -- anonymous sources In 1996 under the guidance of -- preparations for world domination begin In 1997 -- --- --- the systematic destruction of -- multinational? corporation thus begins the hostile takeover of the planet In 1998 78% of world trading? --- ??? ??? ??? By 1999 an intergalactic mafia has -- direct control of -- (economic? Electronic?) warfare? Right now - -- --- is the hostile takeover of the planet Sent from my iPhone
Re: (313) Electro track id?
Vic 20 - Hostile Takeover on Breakin' http://youtu.be/JnMwEGH6EKY http://www.discogs.com/VIC-20-Interactions-Under-Non-Local-Reality/release/25707 On 25 Feb 2013, at 16:37, Frank Glazer cpe1704...@gmail.com wrote: Anybody help me ID this Detroit-style electro track with the following voice synthesizer spoken lyrics? I don't think it's a UR track though the lyrics sure make it seem that way. In 1995 - incorporated is formed with substantial backing from -- anonymous sources In 1996 under the guidance of -- preparations for world domination begin In 1997 -- --- --- the systematic destruction of -- multinational? corporation thus begins the hostile takeover of the planet In 1998 78% of world trading? --- ??? ??? ??? By 1999 an intergalactic mafia has -- direct control of -- (economic? Electronic?) warfare? Right now - -- --- is the hostile takeover of the planet Sent from my iPhone
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excellent thanks!! On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Rob Taylor barringtonphelo...@gmail.comwrote: Vic 20 - Hostile Takeover on Breakin' http://youtu.be/JnMwEGH6EKY http://www.discogs.com/VIC-20-Interactions-Under-Non-Local-Reality/release/25707 On 25 Feb 2013, at 16:37, Frank Glazer cpe1704...@gmail.com wrote: Anybody help me ID this Detroit-style electro track with the following voice synthesizer spoken lyrics? I don't think it's a UR track though the lyrics sure make it seem that way. In 1995 - incorporated is formed with substantial backing from -- anonymous sources In 1996 under the guidance of -- preparations for world domination begin In 1997 -- --- --- the systematic destruction of -- multinational? corporation thus begins the hostile takeover of the planet In 1998 78% of world trading? --- ??? ??? ??? By 1999 an intergalactic mafia has -- direct control of -- (economic? Electronic?) warfare? Right now - -- --- is the hostile takeover of the planet Sent from my iPhone
RE: (313) Electro Recommends?
I'm having an early middle-aged electro upswing: http://www.discogs.com/release/873781 The Consumer http://www.discogs.com/release/524084 The Consumer http://www.discogs.com/release/187491 Volfram, check the label, Stilleben also http://www.discogs.com/release/907284 Data Cat, again check the label, it's owned by Legowelt Which leads me to say, you will need to seek out the proper electro which Legowelt does sooner or later if you haven't already, rather than the italo/chicago type of stuff he does which has electro trimmings. The latter are good imo, but not quite what you're after, I'm sure you know. The same goes for Viewlexx, Bunker, etc The two fairly recent silicon scally LPs got mixed reviews but I like 'em - they're quite IDMish. Perhaps a bit too digital-sounding though. This is the one I would recommend to you: http://www.discogs.com/release/892700 I hesitate to give this - but you did say vocoders are OK so long as they're not speaking English! The last two Urban Tribe vinyls are definitely what you want, I think: I would also check earlier stuff like http://www.discogs.com/release/194099 http://www.discogs.com/release/365605 Dez Williams, although prepare to be disappointed that he's not had anything new for a while. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 9:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Electro Recommends? yeah, I like parts of that, mainly these tracks: Vapour Trails Box - is alright but so similar to other high tempo electro tunes Pluck Fallblattanzeige - really dig this Remains - and this too Melting Faces - and this most things on Ai rock my world - anything else along these lines? stuff that's a little more IDM or leftfield but has Electro roots seeping through the cracks? really trying to steer clear of the electro clichés: robots, androids, Kraftwerk/Egyptian Lover rip-offs I think vocoders are still worth hearing as long as what's being said hasn't already been said half a gazillion times (or is in a non-English language) MEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 05/22/2008 02:10:54 PM: Howzabout the new Datassette LP on Ai? jeff -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Can anyone recommend some newish forward thinking Electro? Getting tired of stuff that either sounds like it's stuck back in '84, Robert Smith rocker wannabes, or is really just nu-school Big Beat breaks in disguise. MEK
RE: (313) Electro Recommends?
[repeats, adds Sonar Base at the end] I'm having an early middle-age electro upswing: http://www.discogs.com/release/873781 The Consumer http://www.discogs.com/release/524084 The Consumer http://www.discogs.com/release/187491 Volfram, check the label, Stilleben, also http://www.discogs.com/release/907284 Data Cat, again check the label, it's owned by Legowelt... Which leads me to say, you will need to seek out the proper electro which Legowelt does sooner or later if you haven't already, rather than the italo/chicago type of stuff he does which has electro trimmings. The latter are good imo, but not quite what you're after, I'm sure you know. The two fairly recent silicon scally LPs got mixed reviews but I like 'em - they're quite IDMish. Perhaps a bit too digital-sounding though. This is the one I would recommend to you: http://www.discogs.com/release/892700 I hesitate to give this - but you did say vocoders are OK so long as they're not speaking English! http://www.discogs.com/release/829718 The last two pieces of Urban Tribe vinyl are definitely what you are looking for: http://www.discogs.com/release/936461 http://www.discogs.com/release/952581 I would also check earlier stuff like http://www.discogs.com/release/194099 http://www.discogs.com/release/365605 by Dez Williams, although prepare to be disappointed that he's not had anything new for a while. Finally don't forget: http://www.discogs.com/artist/Sonar+Base He's been doing airy but thought-provoking electro for decades. Ken -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 9:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Electro Recommends? yeah, I like parts of that, mainly these tracks: Vapour Trails Box - is alright but so similar to other high tempo electro tunes Pluck Fallblattanzeige - really dig this Remains - and this too Melting Faces - and this most things on Ai rock my world - anything else along these lines? stuff that's a little more IDM or leftfield but has Electro roots seeping through the cracks? really trying to steer clear of the electro clichés: robots, androids, Kraftwerk/Egyptian Lover rip-offs I think vocoders are still worth hearing as long as what's being said hasn't already been said half a gazillion times (or is in a non-English language) MEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 05/22/2008 02:10:54 PM: Howzabout the new Datassette LP on Ai? jeff -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Can anyone recommend some newish forward thinking Electro? Getting tired of stuff that either sounds like it's stuck back in '84, Robert Smith rocker wannabes, or is really just nu-school Big Beat breaks in disguise. MEK
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http://www.discogs.com/release/377298 http://www.discogs.com/release/573486 I'll vouch for the excellentness of Volframs 'Welcome to Gothenburg' as well, very subtle, very simple and low fi. Pure modern electro. Yeah t that 'welcome to gothenburg' is amazing. There's another cool record by a french guy Automat, sounds like just an 808 and a yamaha CS15, really nice. I'm having an early middle-aged electro upswing: http://www.discogs.com/release/873781 The Consumer http://www.discogs.com/release/524084 The Consumer http://www.discogs.com/release/187491 Volfram, check the label, Stilleben also http://www.discogs.com/release/907284 Data Cat, again check the label, it's owned by Legowelt Which leads me to say, you will need to seek out the proper electro which Legowelt does sooner or later if you haven't already, rather than the italo/chicago type of stuff he does which has electro trimmings. The latter are good imo, but not quite what you're after, I'm sure you know. The same goes for Viewlexx, Bunker, etc The two fairly recent silicon scally LPs got mixed reviews but I like 'em - they're quite IDMish. Perhaps a bit too digital-sounding though. This is the one I would recommend to you: http://www.discogs.com/release/892700 I hesitate to give this - but you did say vocoders are OK so long as they're not speaking English! The last two Urban Tribe vinyls are definitely what you want, I think: I would also check earlier stuff like http://www.discogs.com/release/194099 http://www.discogs.com/release/365605 Dez Williams, although prepare to be disappointed that he's not had anything new for a while. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 9:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Electro Recommends? yeah, I like parts of that, mainly these tracks: Vapour Trails Box - is alright but so similar to other high tempo electro tunes Pluck Fallblattanzeige - really dig this Remains - and this too Melting Faces - and this most things on Ai rock my world - anything else along these lines? stuff that's a little more IDM or leftfield but has Electro roots seeping through the cracks? really trying to steer clear of the electro clichés: robots, androids, Kraftwerk/Egyptian Lover rip-offs I think vocoders are still worth hearing as long as what's being said hasn't already been said half a gazillion times (or is in a non-English language) MEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 05/22/2008 02:10:54 PM: Howzabout the new Datassette LP on Ai? jeff -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Can anyone recommend some newish forward thinking Electro? Getting tired of stuff that either sounds like it's stuck back in '84, Robert Smith rocker wannabes, or is really just nu-school Big Beat breaks in disguise. MEK
(313) Electro Recommends?
Can anyone recommend some newish forward thinking Electro? Getting tired of stuff that either sounds like it's stuck back in '84, Robert Smith rocker wannabes, or is really just nu-school Big Beat breaks in disguise. MEK
Re: (313) Electro Recommends?
Howzabout the new Datassette LP on Ai? jeff -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Can anyone recommend some newish forward thinking Electro? Getting tired of stuff that either sounds like it's stuck back in '84, Robert Smith rocker wannabes, or is really just nu-school Big Beat breaks in disguise. MEK
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Can anyone recommend some newish forward thinking Electro? Getting tired of stuff that either sounds like it's stuck back in '84, Robert Smith rocker wannabes, or is really just nu-school Big Beat breaks in disguise. MEK have a look at this therad @ littledetroit.net, that should keep you busy for a while! http://www.littledetroit.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=24178 And if you haven't done so, listen to the fantastic convextion live set posted on the list
Re: (313) Electro Recommends?
yeah, I like parts of that, mainly these tracks: Vapour Trails Box - is alright but so similar to other high tempo electro tunes Pluck Fallblattanzeige - really dig this Remains - and this too Melting Faces - and this most things on Ai rock my world - anything else along these lines? stuff that's a little more IDM or leftfield but has Electro roots seeping through the cracks? really trying to steer clear of the electro clichés: robots, androids, Kraftwerk/Egyptian Lover rip-offs I think vocoders are still worth hearing as long as what's being said hasn't already been said half a gazillion times (or is in a non-English language) MEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 05/22/2008 02:10:54 PM: Howzabout the new Datassette LP on Ai? jeff -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Can anyone recommend some newish forward thinking Electro? Getting tired of stuff that either sounds like it's stuck back in '84, Robert Smith rocker wannabes, or is really just nu-school Big Beat breaks in disguise. MEK
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since it didn't get a mention in that topic on little detroit: http://www.discogs.com/release/1138359 otherwise, e.r.p., dynarec (now on puzzlebox), gosup, plant43, arpanet/der zyklus...and that's about all i can think of that i really got into in the past year or so
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oh yeah, and point.one stuff, especially for bumper and anything by dj overdose (pauli from bumper + overdose = the novamen from viewlexx/murdercapital) On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 7:29 PM, JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: since it didn't get a mention in that topic on little detroit: http://www.discogs.com/release/1138359 otherwise, e.r.p., dynarec (now on puzzlebox), gosup, plant43, arpanet/der zyklus...and that's about all i can think of that i really got into in the past year or so
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I have to second that on the e.r.p, his stuff is amazing! Also the tracks coming out on Kust are pretty nice too... there are a few up on Clone atm. Peace, P. On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 4:32 PM, JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oh yeah, and point.one stuff, especially for bumper and anything by dj overdose (pauli from bumper + overdose = the novamen from viewlexx/murdercapital) On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 7:29 PM, JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: since it didn't get a mention in that topic on little detroit: http://www.discogs.com/release/1138359 otherwise, e.r.p., dynarec (now on puzzlebox), gosup, plant43, arpanet/der zyklus...and that's about all i can think of that i really got into in the past year or so -- -- Southern Outpost Sydney - San Francisco - Berlin http://www.southernoutpost.com --
RE: (313) Electro vs Electro
Yep, what you write ostensibly to a small audience, has legs nowadays - so be nice (and/or right! :) Ken Odeluga Copy Editor, Markets - Market Talk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 December 2007 15:38 To: Three-One-Three Subject: Re: (313) Electro vs Electro LOL! I think someone mentioned that a few years back iirc. Dear god, why would anyone quote me about Final Scratch? I've never even used it before. I must have been the argument against. :-S Why would anyone quote the 313 list for an academic paper? funny because I had someone in my industry google me (not as pleasant as that sounds) and they pulled up some 313 thread how embarrassing... I think this is about the only place I appear online MEK Luis-Manuel Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/03/2007 11:01:56 PM: Speaking of definitional debates, MEK, did you know that you appear in an academic journal article on Final Scratch? Tosh appears there too, believe it or not... lemme know if you want a .pdf of it. LMGM On Dec 3, 2007, at 4:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shxt - Snoop is so much closer to what electro is and was than Daft Punk are or ever have been like I said, electro is hip-hop - electronic hip-hop electronic funk it's the meeting place between funk, as in RB rooted funk, and hip- hop just because Daft Punk uses vocoders and have disco/robot imagery doesn't mean they are electro notice the beat in Snoops track - well electro - smack dab on the one yes, Kraftwerk had 4/4 beats - but anyone claiming that Kraftwerk were 100% Electro are mistaken they *inspired* Electro a great deal - possibly without them it would have never happened the way it did as for pop - well not all rectangles are squares now are they? While electro can be pop music not all pop music can be Electro. Dre is well rooted in Electro - World Class Wrecking Crew? Total West Coast Electro vibes there. The home of the Popping Locking - funk dancing! the only people you're going to confuse are those who don't know anyway so is Daft Punk an Electro group - only in France apparently MEK Rob G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/03/2007 03:43:52 PM: I think the best response to a typical discussion such as this is to try to confuse the arguments as much as possible. 1. Kraftwerk claimed to be pop and cited how much they were Motown influenced. 2. Kraftwerk had 4-4 beats. 3. Is Prince pop or electro? Roger Zapp? Dr. Dre sampling Roger Zapp? ... what about Snoop here? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSS_DY_z-Dc is that electro? Pop? RB? Rap? - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: KiDD*e [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Three-One-Three 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, December 3, 2007 9:25:58 AM Subject: Re: (313) Electro vs Electro LOL! Maybe I need to start carrying around a vocoder. MEK KiDD*e [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/03/2007 11:14:23 AM: I've given up to get all worked up everytime i hear this term wrongfully used. If someone says to me that its gonna be an electro party, i always ask whether it's ÉlectrO (with a flat french teen rocker accent), or EE-LeK-TrOw (with a robot distorted voice). If he doesn't get it, i say goodbye. - K* - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Mailing List 313@hyperreal.org; Benoît Pueyo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 5:57 PM Subject: RE: (313) Electro vs Electro Nail meet Hammer - bang! Exactly Ken. Imo the word and meaning of Electro has been hijacked and the plane is in danger of being blown up. Electro has been slapped on as a prefix because it became the hot word - it sold magazines like Mixmag and URB, it sold fashion accessories at Hot Topic, and it sold records at HMV/Best Buy. Why? Because few people buying it were old enough to know it the first time. They'd heard the word but didn't hear the sound. MEK __ __ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports; _ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ
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probably not but I heard that they do keep bananas preserved under their stage for an after show snack MEK kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/03/2007 07:47:14 PM: What I really wonder is if you can sharpen razor blades by aligning them to magnetic north under their pyramid.
Re: (313) Electro vs Electro
LOL! I think someone mentioned that a few years back iirc. Dear god, why would anyone quote me about Final Scratch? I've never even used it before. I must have been the argument against. :-S Why would anyone quote the 313 list for an academic paper? funny because I had someone in my industry google me (not as pleasant as that sounds) and they pulled up some 313 thread how embarrassing... I think this is about the only place I appear online MEK Luis-Manuel Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/03/2007 11:01:56 PM: Speaking of definitional debates, MEK, did you know that you appear in an academic journal article on Final Scratch? Tosh appears there too, believe it or not... lemme know if you want a .pdf of it. LMGM On Dec 3, 2007, at 4:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shxt - Snoop is so much closer to what electro is and was than Daft Punk are or ever have been like I said, electro is hip-hop - electronic hip-hop electronic funk it's the meeting place between funk, as in RB rooted funk, and hip- hop just because Daft Punk uses vocoders and have disco/robot imagery doesn't mean they are electro notice the beat in Snoops track - well electro - smack dab on the one yes, Kraftwerk had 4/4 beats - but anyone claiming that Kraftwerk were 100% Electro are mistaken they *inspired* Electro a great deal - possibly without them it would have never happened the way it did as for pop - well not all rectangles are squares now are they? While electro can be pop music not all pop music can be Electro. Dre is well rooted in Electro - World Class Wrecking Crew? Total West Coast Electro vibes there. The home of the Popping Locking - funk dancing! the only people you're going to confuse are those who don't know anyway so is Daft Punk an Electro group - only in France apparently MEK Rob G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/03/2007 03:43:52 PM: I think the best response to a typical discussion such as this is to try to confuse the arguments as much as possible. 1. Kraftwerk claimed to be pop and cited how much they were Motown influenced. 2. Kraftwerk had 4-4 beats. 3. Is Prince pop or electro? Roger Zapp? Dr. Dre sampling Roger Zapp? ... what about Snoop here? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSS_DY_z-Dc is that electro? Pop? RB? Rap? - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: KiDD*e [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Three-One-Three 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, December 3, 2007 9:25:58 AM Subject: Re: (313) Electro vs Electro LOL! Maybe I need to start carrying around a vocoder. MEK KiDD*e [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/03/2007 11:14:23 AM: I've given up to get all worked up everytime i hear this term wrongfully used. If someone says to me that its gonna be an electro party, i always ask whether it's ÉlectrO (with a flat french teen rocker accent), or EE-LeK-TrOw (with a robot distorted voice). If he doesn't get it, i say goodbye. - K* - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Mailing List 313@hyperreal.org; Benoît Pueyo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 5:57 PM Subject: RE: (313) Electro vs Electro Nail meet Hammer - bang! Exactly Ken. Imo the word and meaning of Electro has been hijacked and the plane is in danger of being blown up. Electro has been slapped on as a prefix because it became the hot word - it sold magazines like Mixmag and URB, it sold fashion accessories at Hot Topic, and it sold records at HMV/Best Buy. Why? Because few people buying it were old enough to know it the first time. They'd heard the word but didn't hear the sound. MEK __ __ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports; _ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ
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Hey, two songs off of Homework were nominated for grammys, how much more pop can you get? I kid... :) - Original Message From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, December 3, 2007 10:59:16 AM Subject: Re: (313) Electro vs Electro homework is an excellent house and techno album. im not sure i would ever call them a pop group, but their songs do sometimes end up being pop songs. tom Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
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Fck that - just because a huge majority of people call anything with a dance beat and synths techno doesn't mean that we should start calling Paul Oakenfold sound techno music. Electro = Electronic Funk as in Egyptian Lover, Aux 88, Whodini, UTFO - it's the in early roots of hip-hop, it's Funkadelic, it's Miami Bass, it's the 808, it's electrified funk/RB/soul to the bone Daft Punk make pop music Electroclash did a great deal of harm in confusing the matter imo. MEK Benoît Pueyo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/02/2007 06:51:00 AM: I think Daft Punk cannot be qualified as Electro, simply house or dance music to me. But I see what u wanted to mean : most people call that new kindof dance music filled with medium distorted synths 'Electro'. A good example : John Dahlback 'Blink'. To me, we have to accept to call that music 'Electro' simply becasue a huge majority of people do that, and even if thus we qualify Aux88 music with the same word. Words' meaning evolve, thats just about that. Before that 'Electro' phenomenon came, Ive alreay thought that all this commercial wave of 'house' music had probably left some bitter taste in Chicago house godfatehrs' mouth... And that didnt change anything. Actually we should feel lucky that Fedde Le Grand track did not make people start calling this kindof music 'Detroit Techno' ;o) Benoît. Frank Glazer a écrit : daft punk has never been electro. the aux 88 i've heard is definitely electro. On Dec 1, 2007 8:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are Daft Punk and Aux 88 both Electro? Either? Neither? m50
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Daft Punk make pop music Would you classify 'Homework' as pop music ?? How about 'Rock n Roll' off that album ? Doesn't sound very 'pop' to me. Maybe their subsequent albums, but Homework is an all time classic in my opinion. Kind regards, Gary Entertainment UK Ltd Auriol Drive | Greenford Park | Greenford | UB6 0DS x: 2946 | t: +44 (0)20 8833 2946 Michael.Elliot-Knight @fallon.com To: Benoît Pueyo [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: 313 Mailing List 313@hyperreal.org 03/12/07 15:40 Subject: Re: (313) Electro vs Electro Fck that - just because a huge majority of people call anything with a dance beat and synths techno doesn't mean that we should start calling Paul Oakenfold sound techno music. Electro = Electronic Funk as in Egyptian Lover, Aux 88, Whodini, UTFO - it's the in early roots of hip-hop, it's Funkadelic, it's Miami Bass, it's the 808, it's electrified funk/RB/soul to the bone Daft Punk make pop music Electroclash did a great deal of harm in confusing the matter imo. MEK Benoît Pueyo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/02/2007 06:51:00 AM: I think Daft Punk cannot be qualified as Electro, simply house or dance music to me. But I see what u wanted to mean : most people call that new kindof dance music filled with medium distorted synths 'Electro'. A good example : John Dahlback 'Blink'. To me, we have to accept to call that music 'Electro' simply becasue a huge majority of people do that, and even if thus we qualify Aux88 music with the same word. Words' meaning evolve, thats just about that. Before that 'Electro' phenomenon came, Ive alreay thought that all this commercial wave of 'house' music had probably left some bitter taste in Chicago house godfatehrs' mouth... And that didnt change anything. Actually we should feel lucky that Fedde Le Grand track did not make people start calling this kindof music 'Detroit Techno' ;o) Benoît. Frank Glazer a écrit : daft punk has never been electro. the aux 88 i've heard is definitely electro. On Dec 1, 2007 8:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are Daft Punk and Aux 88 both Electro? Either? Neither? m50
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True say. On the one hand we could take the chance to decry the futility and at times laughable nature of genres and their names (usually a good thing to do). We could also be magnanimous and reiterate how 'scene's change,' 'everything evolves', etc. But on the other hand there is a worthwhile point to be made about the way widely accepted meanings can evolve (and more sinisterly, be hi-jacked so that they're *made* to evolve!) in such a way that important social underpinnings of a genre at its outset could be potentially downplayed and perhaps in future, start to be forgotten. What do we want electro to mean? Kraftwerk+Parliament? Or Fischerspooner+Tiga? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 December 2007 15:40 To: Benoît Pueyo Cc: 313 Mailing List Subject: Re: (313) Electro vs Electro Fck that - just because a huge majority of people call anything with a dance beat and synths techno doesn't mean that we should start calling Paul Oakenfold sound techno music. Electro = Electronic Funk as in Egyptian Lover, Aux 88, Whodini, UTFO - it's the in early roots of hip-hop, it's Funkadelic, it's Miami Bass, it's the 808, it's electrified funk/RB/soul to the bone Daft Punk make pop music Electroclash did a great deal of harm in confusing the matter imo. MEK Benoît Pueyo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/02/2007 06:51:00 AM: I think Daft Punk cannot be qualified as Electro, simply house or dance music to me. But I see what u wanted to mean : most people call that new kindof dance music filled with medium distorted synths 'Electro'. A good example : John Dahlback 'Blink'. To me, we have to accept to call that music 'Electro' simply becasue a huge majority of people do that, and even if thus we qualify Aux88 music with the same word. Words' meaning evolve, thats just about that. Before that 'Electro' phenomenon came, Ive alreay thought that all this commercial wave of 'house' music had probably left some bitter taste in Chicago house godfatehrs' mouth... And that didnt change anything. Actually we should feel lucky that Fedde Le Grand track did not make people start calling this kindof music 'Detroit Techno' ;o) Benoît. Frank Glazer a écrit : daft punk has never been electro. the aux 88 i've heard is definitely electro. On Dec 1, 2007 8:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are Daft Punk and Aux 88 both Electro? Either? Neither? m50
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Homework is less pop than their subsequent albums. Imo Daft Punk as pop as Chemical Brothers, Moby, Prodigy, etc. are pop MEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/03/2007 09:51:53 AM: Daft Punk make pop music Would you classify 'Homework' as pop music ?? How about 'Rock n Roll' off that album ? Doesn't sound very 'pop' to me. Maybe their subsequent albums, but Homework is an all time classic in my opinion. Kind regards, Gary Entertainment UK Ltd Auriol Drive | Greenford Park | Greenford | UB6 0DS x: 2946 | t: +44 (0)20 8833 2946 Michael.Elliot-Knight @fallon.com To: Benoît Pueyo [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: 313 Mailing List 313@hyperreal.org 03/12/07 15:40 Subject: Re: (313) Electro vs Electro Fck that - just because a huge majority of people call anything with a dance beat and synths techno doesn't mean that we should start calling Paul Oakenfold sound techno music. Electro = Electronic Funk as in Egyptian Lover, Aux 88, Whodini, UTFO - it's the in early roots of hip-hop, it's Funkadelic, it's Miami Bass, it's the 808, it's electrified funk/RB/soul to the bone Daft Punk make pop music Electroclash did a great deal of harm in confusing the matter imo. MEK Benoît Pueyo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/02/2007 06:51:00 AM: I think Daft Punk cannot be qualified as Electro, simply house or dance music to me. But I see what u wanted to mean : most people call that new kindof dance music filled with medium distorted synths 'Electro'. A good example : John Dahlback 'Blink'. To me, we have to accept to call that music 'Electro' simply becasue a huge majority of people do that, and even if thus we qualify Aux88 music with the same word. Words' meaning evolve, thats just about that. Before that 'Electro' phenomenon came, Ive alreay thought that all this commercial wave of 'house' music had probably left some bitter taste in Chicago house godfatehrs' mouth... And that didnt change anything. Actually we should feel lucky that Fedde Le Grand track did not make people start calling this kindof music 'Detroit Techno' ;o) Benoît. Frank Glazer a écrit : daft punk has never been electro. the aux 88 i've heard is definitely electro. On Dec 1, 2007 8:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are Daft Punk and Aux 88 both Electro? Either? Neither? m50
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On Dec 3, 2007 10:51 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you classify 'Homework' as pop music ?? How about 'Rock n Roll' off that album ? Doesn't sound very 'pop' to me. Maybe their subsequent albums, but Homework is an all time classic in my opinion. homework is an excellent house and techno album. im not sure i would ever call them a pop group, but their songs do sometimes end up being pop songs. tom
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On Dec 3, 2007 11:11 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Homework is less pop than their subsequent albums. Imo Daft Punk as pop as Chemical Brothers, Moby, Prodigy, etc. are pop their last album was very techno, it sucked, but it wasnt really pop at all. its funny that one more time is a pop song, yet romanthony has so many other tracks that arent. that album also had Todd Edwards and DJ Sneak on it! so one album out of 3 had overt pop tendencies, and even those were well within the realm of house and techno music. i may not like their albums aside from homework, but i still dont think they are a pop group. tom
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How do you define Pop? I would say that Daft Punk's overt manipulation of image and how they present both their music and themselves is up in the higher echelons of pop music alongside Kraftwerk, Sparks et al. In fact it's rumoured that they have taken the latter's robot persona to another level - in that they don't actually play at their own gigs. -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 December 2007 16:17 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Electro vs Electro On Dec 3, 2007 11:11 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Homework is less pop than their subsequent albums. Imo Daft Punk as pop as Chemical Brothers, Moby, Prodigy, etc. are pop their last album was very techno, it sucked, but it wasnt really pop at all. its funny that one more time is a pop song, yet romanthony has so many other tracks that arent. that album also had Todd Edwards and DJ Sneak on it! so one album out of 3 had overt pop tendencies, and even those were well within the realm of house and techno music. i may not like their albums aside from homework, but i still dont think they are a pop group. tom For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales (company number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT.
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Problem is - Electro has always gotten the short end of the stick. It's the forgotten brother/sister of hip-hop. Scratch that - Electro is Hip-Hop! After the 80s barely anyone paid any attention to it - from techno to house to mainstream music. Hell, it barely got any recognition within hip-hop. It's been small groups of people keeping the real deal alive - not Electroclash and all the other new wave revivalists. Now everyone wants to latch on to Electro but seems that they don't want to know the history of it. How it evolved with all the other elements of hip-hop - dance styles emerged with it (the Campbell lock anyone?), it influenced graffiti, and in the end it was the electric shock that started the techno heart beating! Now you get people thinking Daft Junk is electro? Gimme a break - and make it a breakbeat than you very much. all puns well intended MEK kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/02/2007 03:23:48 PM: I don't think anything is gained by being purist about a term like 'Electro.' Though if you're talking to a Detroit Techno fan it does have a very specific meaning. Daft Punk aint it. Though Electro is by no means an exclusively Detroit phenomenon. It describes a particular beat pattern and emphasis on bass, which goes back through early hip hop and Miami Bass. I wish my girl Miche' was on the list because she started DJing in New Orleans in the mid 80s and has hundreds of records covering non-Detroit Electro Style.
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That's all well part of it. MEK Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/03/2007 10:19:58 AM: How do you define Pop? I would say that Daft Punk's overt manipulation of image and how they present both their music and themselves is up in the higher echelons of pop music alongside Kraftwerk, Sparks et al. In fact it's rumoured that they have taken the latter's robot persona to another level - in that they don't actually play at their own gigs. -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 December 2007 16:17 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Electro vs Electro On Dec 3, 2007 11:11 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Homework is less pop than their subsequent albums. Imo Daft Punk as pop as Chemical Brothers, Moby, Prodigy, etc. are pop their last album was very techno, it sucked, but it wasnt really pop at all. its funny that one more time is a pop song, yet romanthony has so many other tracks that arent. that album also had Todd Edwards and DJ Sneak on it! so one album out of 3 had overt pop tendencies, and even those were well within the realm of house and techno music. i may not like their albums aside from homework, but i still dont think they are a pop group. tom For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales (company number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT.
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On Dec 3, 2007 11:19 AM, Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you define Pop? I would say that Daft Punk's overt manipulation of image and how they present both their music and themselves is up in the higher echelons of pop music alongside Kraftwerk, Sparks et al. In fact it's rumoured that they have taken the latter's robot persona to another level - in that they don't actually play at their own gigs. is their image really all that different to UR, basic channel, KDJ, etc? are they pop simply because more people listen to their music? i mean, da funk is nothing substantially different from many other house tunes, yet people who dont know anything about dance music still like it. i dont see how any element of that song makes it pop aside from the fact that large numbers of people like it. and if that is the only definition, then who cares? kraftwerk were pop music by that definition. tom
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Nail meet Hammer - bang! Exactly Ken. Imo the word and meaning of Electro has been hijacked and the plane is in danger of being blown up. Electro has been slapped on as a prefix because it became the hot word - it sold magazines like Mixmag and URB, it sold fashion accessories at Hot Topic, and it sold records at HMV/Best Buy. Why? Because few people buying it were old enough to know it the first time. They'd heard the word but didn't hear the sound. MEK Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/03/2007 09:53:26 AM: True say. On the one hand we could take the chance to decry the futility and at times laughable nature of genres and their names (usually a good thing to do). We could also be magnanimous and reiterate how 'scene's change,' 'everything evolves', etc. But on the other hand there is a worthwhile point to be made about the way widely accepted meanings can evolve (and more sinisterly, be hi-jacked so that they're *made* to evolve!) in such a way that important social underpinnings of a genre at its outset could be potentially downplayed and perhaps in future, start to be forgotten. What do we want electro to mean? Kraftwerk+Parliament? Or Fischerspooner+Tiga? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Michael.Elliot- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 December 2007 15:40 To: Benoît Pueyo Cc: 313 Mailing List Subject: Re: (313) Electro vs Electro Fck that - just because a huge majority of people call anything with a dance beat and synths techno doesn't mean that we should start calling Paul Oakenfold sound techno music. Electro = Electronic Funk as in Egyptian Lover, Aux 88, Whodini, UTFO - it's the in early roots of hip-hop, it's Funkadelic, it's Miami Bass, it's the 808, it's electrified funk/RB/soul to the bone Daft Punk make pop music Electroclash did a great deal of harm in confusing the matter imo. MEK Benoît Pueyo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/02/2007 06:51:00 AM: I think Daft Punk cannot be qualified as Electro, simply house or dance music to me. But I see what u wanted to mean : most people call that new kindof dance music filled with medium distorted synths 'Electro'. A good example : John Dahlback 'Blink'. To me, we have to accept to call that music 'Electro' simply becasue a huge majority of people do that, and even if thus we qualify Aux88 music with the same word. Words' meaning evolve, thats just about that. Before that 'Electro' phenomenon came, Ive alreay thought that all this commercial wave of 'house' music had probably left some bitter taste in Chicago house godfatehrs' mouth... And that didnt change anything. Actually we should feel lucky that Fedde Le Grand track did not make people start calling this kindof music 'Detroit Techno' ;o) Benoît. Frank Glazer a écrit : daft punk has never been electro. the aux 88 i've heard is definitely electro. On Dec 1, 2007 8:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are Daft Punk and Aux 88 both Electro? Either? Neither? m50
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George Clinton said it best Everything is on the 1 MEK Michael Pujos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/02/2007 03:40:31 PM: kent williams a écrit : I don't think anything is gained by being purist about a term like 'Electro.' Though if you're talking to a Detroit Techno fan it does have a very specific meaning. Daft Punk aint it. Though Electro is by no means an exclusively Detroit phenomenon. It describes a particular beat pattern and emphasis on bass, which goes back through early hip hop and Miami Bass. I wish my girl Miche' was on the list because she started DJing in New Orleans in the mid 80s and has hundreds of records covering non-Detroit Electro Style. As you said it's characterized by specific drum machines and synth sounds and when you know what to look for it's one of the easiest genre to recognize. Funny thing is that the other day a guy in my family that's not into electronic music was asking me if Daft Punk was electro. I had a hard time explaining it was not, but go explain to joe random the subtelties of specific drum machines etc :)
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I've given up to get all worked up everytime i hear this term wrongfully used. If someone says to me that its gonna be an electro party, i always ask whether it's ÉlectrO (with a flat french teen rocker accent), or EE-LeK-TrOw (with a robot distorted voice). If he doesn't get it, i say goodbye. - K* - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Mailing List 313@hyperreal.org; Benoît Pueyo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 5:57 PM Subject: RE: (313) Electro vs Electro Nail meet Hammer - bang! Exactly Ken. Imo the word and meaning of Electro has been hijacked and the plane is in danger of being blown up. Electro has been slapped on as a prefix because it became the hot word - it sold magazines like Mixmag and URB, it sold fashion accessories at Hot Topic, and it sold records at HMV/Best Buy. Why? Because few people buying it were old enough to know it the first time. They'd heard the word but didn't hear the sound. MEK
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LOL! Maybe I need to start carrying around a vocoder. MEK KiDD*e [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/03/2007 11:14:23 AM: I've given up to get all worked up everytime i hear this term wrongfully used. If someone says to me that its gonna be an electro party, i always ask whether it's ÉlectrO (with a flat french teen rocker accent), or EE-LeK-TrOw (with a robot distorted voice). If he doesn't get it, i say goodbye. - K* - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Mailing List 313@hyperreal.org; Benoît Pueyo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 5:57 PM Subject: RE: (313) Electro vs Electro Nail meet Hammer - bang! Exactly Ken. Imo the word and meaning of Electro has been hijacked and the plane is in danger of being blown up. Electro has been slapped on as a prefix because it became the hot word - it sold magazines like Mixmag and URB, it sold fashion accessories at Hot Topic, and it sold records at HMV/Best Buy. Why? Because few people buying it were old enough to know it the first time. They'd heard the word but didn't hear the sound. MEK
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I think the best response to a typical discussion such as this is to try to confuse the arguments as much as possible. 1. Kraftwerk claimed to be pop and cited how much they were Motown influenced. 2. Kraftwerk had 4-4 beats. 3. Is Prince pop or electro? Roger Zapp? Dr. Dre sampling Roger Zapp? ... what about Snoop here? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSS_DY_z-Dc is that electro? Pop? RB? Rap? - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: KiDD*e [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Three-One-Three 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, December 3, 2007 9:25:58 AM Subject: Re: (313) Electro vs Electro LOL! Maybe I need to start carrying around a vocoder. MEK KiDD*e [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/03/2007 11:14:23 AM: I've given up to get all worked up everytime i hear this term wrongfully used. If someone says to me that its gonna be an electro party, i always ask whether it's ÉlectrO (with a flat french teen rocker accent), or EE-LeK-TrOw (with a robot distorted voice). If he doesn't get it, i say goodbye. - K* - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Mailing List 313@hyperreal.org; Benoît Pueyo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 5:57 PM Subject: RE: (313) Electro vs Electro Nail meet Hammer - bang! Exactly Ken. Imo the word and meaning of Electro has been hijacked and the plane is in danger of being blown up. Electro has been slapped on as a prefix because it became the hot word - it sold magazines like Mixmag and URB, it sold fashion accessories at Hot Topic, and it sold records at HMV/Best Buy. Why? Because few people buying it were old enough to know it the first time. They'd heard the word but didn't hear the sound. MEK Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ
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On Dec 3, 2007 4:43 PM, Rob G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the best response to a typical discussion such as this is to try to confuse the arguments as much as possible. 1. Kraftwerk claimed to be pop and cited how much they were Motown influenced. 2. Kraftwerk had 4-4 beats. 3. Is Prince pop or electro? Roger Zapp? Dr. Dre sampling Roger Zapp? ... what about Snoop here? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSS_DY_z-Dc is that electro? Pop? RB? Rap? what i find interesting is that people look down on certain pop music just for being pop but not on others. i have nothing against pop music, i wish more people listened to this music that we love! being popular is not bad, but most times what is popular IS bad. people confuse that. i play pop records, i dont even care: if its a good song, its a good song. but i just dont view daft punk as pop music. also, defining yourself as pop doesnt not necessarily mean you are, plenty of crappy indie rock bands tried that power pop or other derivitive names, and they were not popular, nor pop. tom
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Shxt - Snoop is so much closer to what electro is and was than Daft Punk are or ever have been like I said, electro is hip-hop - electronic hip-hop electronic funk it's the meeting place between funk, as in RB rooted funk, and hip-hop just because Daft Punk uses vocoders and have disco/robot imagery doesn't mean they are electro notice the beat in Snoops track - well electro - smack dab on the one yes, Kraftwerk had 4/4 beats - but anyone claiming that Kraftwerk were 100% Electro are mistaken they *inspired* Electro a great deal - possibly without them it would have never happened the way it did as for pop - well not all rectangles are squares now are they? While electro can be pop music not all pop music can be Electro. Dre is well rooted in Electro - World Class Wrecking Crew? Total West Coast Electro vibes there. The home of the Popping Locking - funk dancing! the only people you're going to confuse are those who don't know anyway so is Daft Punk an Electro group - only in France apparently MEK Rob G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/03/2007 03:43:52 PM: I think the best response to a typical discussion such as this is to try to confuse the arguments as much as possible. 1. Kraftwerk claimed to be pop and cited how much they were Motown influenced. 2. Kraftwerk had 4-4 beats. 3. Is Prince pop or electro? Roger Zapp? Dr. Dre sampling Roger Zapp? ... what about Snoop here? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSS_DY_z-Dc is that electro? Pop? RB? Rap? - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: KiDD*e [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Three-One-Three 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, December 3, 2007 9:25:58 AM Subject: Re: (313) Electro vs Electro LOL! Maybe I need to start carrying around a vocoder. MEK KiDD*e [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/03/2007 11:14:23 AM: I've given up to get all worked up everytime i hear this term wrongfully used. If someone says to me that its gonna be an electro party, i always ask whether it's ÉlectrO (with a flat french teen rocker accent), or EE-LeK-TrOw (with a robot distorted voice). If he doesn't get it, i say goodbye. - K* - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Mailing List 313@hyperreal.org; Benoît Pueyo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 5:57 PM Subject: RE: (313) Electro vs Electro Nail meet Hammer - bang! Exactly Ken. Imo the word and meaning of Electro has been hijacked and the plane is in danger of being blown up. Electro has been slapped on as a prefix because it became the hot word - it sold magazines like Mixmag and URB, it sold fashion accessories at Hot Topic, and it sold records at HMV/Best Buy. Why? Because few people buying it were old enough to know it the first time. They'd heard the word but didn't hear the sound. MEK Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports; _ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ
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I think its reasonable to say that Daft Punk went in an electro direction after their first album. if ONLY because they then had some vocoders, arpeggiators and a few non 4/4 rhythms. does that make it 'electro'? or maybe they just invented electro-house? - Original Message From: Rob G [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Three-One-Three 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, December 3, 2007 1:43:52 PM Subject: Re: (313) Electro vs Electro I think the best response to a typical discussion such as this is to try to confuse the arguments as much as possible. 1. Kraftwerk claimed to be pop and cited how much they were Motown influenced. 2. Kraftwerk had 4-4 beats. 3. Is Prince pop or electro? Roger Zapp? Dr. Dre sampling Roger Zapp? ... what about Snoop here? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSS_DY_z-Dc is that electro? Pop? RB? Rap? - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: KiDD*e [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Three-One-Three 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, December 3, 2007 9:25:58 AM Subject: Re: (313) Electro vs Electro LOL! Maybe I need to start carrying around a vocoder. MEK KiDD*e [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/03/2007 11:14:23 AM: I've given up to get all worked up everytime i hear this term wrongfully used. If someone says to me that its gonna be an electro party, i always ask whether it's ÉlectrO (with a flat french teen rocker accent), or EE-LeK-TrOw (with a robot distorted voice). If he doesn't get it, i say goodbye. - K* - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Mailing List 313@hyperreal.org; Benoît Pueyo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 5:57 PM Subject: RE: (313) Electro vs Electro Nail meet Hammer - bang! Exactly Ken. Imo the word and meaning of Electro has been hijacked and the plane is in danger of being blown up. Electro has been slapped on as a prefix because it became the hot word - it sold magazines like Mixmag and URB, it sold fashion accessories at Hot Topic, and it sold records at HMV/Best Buy. Why? Because few people buying it were old enough to know it the first time. They'd heard the word but didn't hear the sound. MEK Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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I think they invented 'French Filter House With Enough Pop Catchiness Added So As To Actually Sell Beyond The Dance Music Ghetto Without Entirely Sucking.' But it's still not Electro. What I really wonder is if you can sharpen razor blades by aligning them to magnetic north under their pyramid. On Dec 3, 2007 6:00 PM, Rob G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think its reasonable to say that Daft Punk went in an electro direction after their first album. if ONLY because they then had some vocoders, arpeggiators and a few non 4/4 rhythms. does that make it 'electro'? or maybe they just invented electro-house? - Original Message From: Rob G [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Three-One-Three 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, December 3, 2007 1:43:52 PM Subject: Re: (313) Electro vs Electro I think the best response to a typical discussion such as this is to try to confuse the arguments as much as possible. 1. Kraftwerk claimed to be pop and cited how much they were Motown influenced. 2. Kraftwerk had 4-4 beats. 3. Is Prince pop or electro? Roger Zapp? Dr. Dre sampling Roger Zapp? ... what about Snoop here? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSS_DY_z-Dc is that electro? Pop? RB? Rap? - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: KiDD*e [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Three-One-Three 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, December 3, 2007 9:25:58 AM Subject: Re: (313) Electro vs Electro LOL! Maybe I need to start carrying around a vocoder. MEK KiDD*e [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/03/2007 11:14:23 AM: I've given up to get all worked up everytime i hear this term wrongfully used. If someone says to me that its gonna be an electro party, i always ask whether it's ÉlectrO (with a flat french teen rocker accent), or EE-LeK-TrOw (with a robot distorted voice). If he doesn't get it, i say goodbye. - K* - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Mailing List 313@hyperreal.org; Benoît Pueyo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 5:57 PM Subject: RE: (313) Electro vs Electro Nail meet Hammer - bang! Exactly Ken. Imo the word and meaning of Electro has been hijacked and the plane is in danger of being blown up. Electro has been slapped on as a prefix because it became the hot word - it sold magazines like Mixmag and URB, it sold fashion accessories at Hot Topic, and it sold records at HMV/Best Buy. Why? Because few people buying it were old enough to know it the first time. They'd heard the word but didn't hear the sound. MEK Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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Speaking of definitional debates, MEK, did you know that you appear in an academic journal article on Final Scratch? Tosh appears there too, believe it or not... lemme know if you want a .pdf of it. LMGM On Dec 3, 2007, at 4:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shxt - Snoop is so much closer to what electro is and was than Daft Punk are or ever have been like I said, electro is hip-hop - electronic hip-hop electronic funk it's the meeting place between funk, as in RB rooted funk, and hip- hop just because Daft Punk uses vocoders and have disco/robot imagery doesn't mean they are electro notice the beat in Snoops track - well electro - smack dab on the one yes, Kraftwerk had 4/4 beats - but anyone claiming that Kraftwerk were 100% Electro are mistaken they *inspired* Electro a great deal - possibly without them it would have never happened the way it did as for pop - well not all rectangles are squares now are they? While electro can be pop music not all pop music can be Electro. Dre is well rooted in Electro - World Class Wrecking Crew? Total West Coast Electro vibes there. The home of the Popping Locking - funk dancing! the only people you're going to confuse are those who don't know anyway so is Daft Punk an Electro group - only in France apparently MEK Rob G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/03/2007 03:43:52 PM: I think the best response to a typical discussion such as this is to try to confuse the arguments as much as possible. 1. Kraftwerk claimed to be pop and cited how much they were Motown influenced. 2. Kraftwerk had 4-4 beats. 3. Is Prince pop or electro? Roger Zapp? Dr. Dre sampling Roger Zapp? ... what about Snoop here? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSS_DY_z-Dc is that electro? Pop? RB? Rap? - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: KiDD*e [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Three-One-Three 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, December 3, 2007 9:25:58 AM Subject: Re: (313) Electro vs Electro LOL! Maybe I need to start carrying around a vocoder. MEK KiDD*e [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/03/2007 11:14:23 AM: I've given up to get all worked up everytime i hear this term wrongfully used. If someone says to me that its gonna be an electro party, i always ask whether it's ÉlectrO (with a flat french teen rocker accent), or EE-LeK-TrOw (with a robot distorted voice). If he doesn't get it, i say goodbye. - K* - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Mailing List 313@hyperreal.org; Benoît Pueyo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 5:57 PM Subject: RE: (313) Electro vs Electro Nail meet Hammer - bang! Exactly Ken. Imo the word and meaning of Electro has been hijacked and the plane is in danger of being blown up. Electro has been slapped on as a prefix because it became the hot word - it sold magazines like Mixmag and URB, it sold fashion accessories at Hot Topic, and it sold records at HMV/Best Buy. Why? Because few people buying it were old enough to know it the first time. They'd heard the word but didn't hear the sound. MEK __ __ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports; _ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ
Re: (313) Electro vs Electro
I think Daft Punk cannot be qualified as Electro, simply house or dance music to me. But I see what u wanted to mean : most people call that new kindof dance music filled with medium distorted synths 'Electro'. A good example : John Dahlback 'Blink'. To me, we have to accept to call that music 'Electro' simply becasue a huge majority of people do that, and even if thus we qualify Aux88 music with the same word. Words' meaning evolve, thats just about that. Before that 'Electro' phenomenon came, Ive alreay thought that all this commercial wave of 'house' music had probably left some bitter taste in Chicago house godfatehrs' mouth... And that didnt change anything. Actually we should feel lucky that Fedde Le Grand track did not make people start calling this kindof music 'Detroit Techno' ;o) Benoît. Frank Glazer a écrit : daft punk has never been electro. the aux 88 i've heard is definitely electro. On Dec 1, 2007 8:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are Daft Punk and Aux 88 both Electro? Either? Neither? m50
Re: (313) Electro vs Electro
Electro has different meanings from place to place, as well. When I was living in Paris, electro was used as a rather broad genre label that usually contrasted with minimal(e). Electro included tracks that filled the mid-frequency range with distortion and/or synths, vocals, and a thick dirty sound. Minimal was a similarly broad genre label that included pretty much anything coming out of the Berlin Cologne/Köln scenes (Kompakt, Perlon, you get the idea). The sound of minimal seemed to centre on tracks that had sparse textures, punchy bass and detailed, crystalline patterns in the high-freq's--but also extended out to tracks that I think would get labelled progressive, classic techno, or even trance elsewhere. I think in N. America (or at least the Toronto - Windsor / Detroit - Chicago corridor, which I know well) we have much narrower definitions of both of these labels. When I went out clubbing in France, I found I was constantly being surprised by what was being called minimal and electro. I think Daft Punk can fall into electro in France and, ironically, I think you would surprise and disappoint a lot of people if you played Aux88 at an electro night in Le Rex Club or La Scène Bastille or Batofar (presuming they're still open). On the other hand, electro seems like a genre that is still alive in France, in a way that is less so here in N. America. I get the impression that electro on this continent is a thing that has already happened, that we remember and feel nostalgic for... cheers, LMGM On Dec 2, 2007, at 6:51 AM, Benoît Pueyo wrote: I think Daft Punk cannot be qualified as Electro, simply house or dance music to me. But I see what u wanted to mean : most people call that new kindof dance music filled with medium distorted synths 'Electro'. A good example : John Dahlback 'Blink'. To me, we have to accept to call that music 'Electro' simply becasue a huge majority of people do that, and even if thus we qualify Aux88 music with the same word. Words' meaning evolve, thats just about that. Before that 'Electro' phenomenon came, Ive alreay thought that all this commercial wave of 'house' music had probably left some bitter taste in Chicago house godfatehrs' mouth... And that didnt change anything. Actually we should feel lucky that Fedde Le Grand track did not make people start calling this kindof music 'Detroit Techno' ;o) Benoît. Frank Glazer a écrit : daft punk has never been electro. the aux 88 i've heard is definitely electro. On Dec 1, 2007 8:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are Daft Punk and Aux 88 both Electro? Either? Neither? m50
Re: (313) Electro vs Electro
Pretty good description of what's happening here in France. Did you know I was French, eh ? To reply to Tom, you have to know that here all major medias going from mass audience TV to promoters (even in the finest clubs such as Rex) use 'Electro' for a very wide spectrum of electronic music. So sadly the Me.De and Aux88 fans have to bare that 'Electro' has to coexist with two different meanings. Does it sound to be such a big problem ?? When you listen to or play msuic, I think the most important is not how you call things, its the music itself. Speaking of that these Aux88 remixes are nuts. The Advent's one kicks ass ! Benoît. Luis-Manuel Garcia a écrit : Electro has different meanings from place to place, as well. When I was living in Paris, electro was used as a rather broad genre label that usually contrasted with minimal(e). Electro included tracks that filled the mid-frequency range with distortion and/or synths, vocals, and a thick dirty sound. Minimal was a similarly broad genre label that included pretty much anything coming out of the Berlin Cologne/Köln scenes (Kompakt, Perlon, you get the idea). The sound of minimal seemed to centre on tracks that had sparse textures, punchy bass and detailed, crystalline patterns in the high-freq's--but also extended out to tracks that I think would get labelled progressive, classic techno, or even trance elsewhere. I think in N. America (or at least the Toronto - Windsor / Detroit - Chicago corridor, which I know well) we have much narrower definitions of both of these labels. When I went out clubbing in France, I found I was constantly being surprised by what was being called minimal and electro. I think Daft Punk can fall into electro in France and, ironically, I think you would surprise and disappoint a lot of people if you played Aux88 at an electro night in Le Rex Club or La Scène Bastille or Batofar (presuming they're still open). On the other hand, electro seems like a genre that is still alive in France, in a way that is less so here in N. America. I get the impression that electro on this continent is a thing that has already happened, that we remember and feel nostalgic for... cheers, LMGM On Dec 2, 2007, at 6:51 AM, Benoît Pueyo wrote: I think Daft Punk cannot be qualified as Electro, simply house or dance music to me. But I see what u wanted to mean : most people call that new kindof dance music filled with medium distorted synths 'Electro'. A good example : John Dahlback 'Blink'. To me, we have to accept to call that music 'Electro' simply becasue a huge majority of people do that, and even if thus we qualify Aux88 music with the same word. Words' meaning evolve, thats just about that. Before that 'Electro' phenomenon came, Ive alreay thought that all this commercial wave of 'house' music had probably left some bitter taste in Chicago house godfatehrs' mouth... And that didnt change anything. Actually we should feel lucky that Fedde Le Grand track did not make people start calling this kindof music 'Detroit Techno' ;o) Benoît. Frank Glazer a écrit : daft punk has never been electro. the aux 88 i've heard is definitely electro. On Dec 1, 2007 8:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are Daft Punk and Aux 88 both Electro? Either? Neither? m50
Re: (313) Electro vs Electro
i've always thought of electro as an extremely limiting (in a good way) genre term including only music with heavy 808 style drum patterns. electro is all about the rhythm, in my opinion. if it has a 4-on-the-floor rhythm, i don't call it electro. ten classic examples of electro: ice-t and chris the glove taylor - reckless newcleus - jam on it aux 88 - phantom power paul hardcastle - 19 Twilight 22 - Electric Kingdom strafe - set it off Hashim - Al-Naafiysh cybotron - r-9 anthony rother - destroy him my robots soul oddity - welcome back to earth and, of course, everything by kraftwerk peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
Re: (313) Electro vs Electro
On Dec 2, 2007 1:50 PM, Benoît Pueyo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To reply to Tom, you have to know that here all major medias going from mass audience TV to promoters (even in the finest clubs such as Rex) use 'Electro' for a very wide spectrum of electronic music. So sadly the Me.De and Aux88 fans have to bare that 'Electro' has to coexist with two different meanings. Does it sound to be such a big problem ?? When you listen to or play msuic, I think the most important is not how you call things, its the music itself. i mean, this was a problem in the mid 90's when big beat, trance, and all sorts of other crap was getting popular in the US under the blanket term techno. people finally came up with electronica which is stupid, but is far better than stealing the name of a specific kind of music that has been established for a long time and applying it to other music that has nothing to do with it. just because people are using the term widely doesnt make it any less incorrect! and i just dont see why it should be accepted. tom
Re: (313) Electro vs Electro
I don't think anything is gained by being purist about a term like 'Electro.' Though if you're talking to a Detroit Techno fan it does have a very specific meaning. Daft Punk aint it. Though Electro is by no means an exclusively Detroit phenomenon. It describes a particular beat pattern and emphasis on bass, which goes back through early hip hop and Miami Bass. I wish my girl Miche' was on the list because she started DJing in New Orleans in the mid 80s and has hundreds of records covering non-Detroit Electro Style.
Re: (313) Electro vs Electro
if it has a 4-on-the-floor rhythm, i don't call it electro. It might be electro-techno though :)
Re: (313) Electro vs Electro
kent williams a écrit : I don't think anything is gained by being purist about a term like 'Electro.' Though if you're talking to a Detroit Techno fan it does have a very specific meaning. Daft Punk aint it. Though Electro is by no means an exclusively Detroit phenomenon. It describes a particular beat pattern and emphasis on bass, which goes back through early hip hop and Miami Bass. I wish my girl Miche' was on the list because she started DJing in New Orleans in the mid 80s and has hundreds of records covering non-Detroit Electro Style. As you said it's characterized by specific drum machines and synth sounds and when you know what to look for it's one of the easiest genre to recognize. Funny thing is that the other day a guy in my family that's not into electronic music was asking me if Daft Punk was electro. I had a hard time explaining it was not, but go explain to joe random the subtelties of specific drum machines etc :)
Re: (313) Electro vs Electro
nonsense. On Dec 2, 2007 4:44 PM, Michael Pujos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if it has a 4-on-the-floor rhythm, i don't call it electro. It might be electro-techno though :) -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
(313) Electro vs Electro
Are Daft Punk and Aux 88 both Electro? Either? Neither? m50
Re: (313) Electro vs Electro
daft punk has never been electro. the aux 88 i've heard is definitely electro. On Dec 1, 2007 8:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are Daft Punk and Aux 88 both Electro? Either? Neither? m50 -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
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Daft Punk is succeeding in the post 2001-death-of-massive-raves merger of indie, acoustic hipster, genre bender, post idm, rock friendly, disco cum techno / house universe we live in, after having made some pretty forward thinking, synth heavy, greatly engineered and arranged fat disco house 10 years ago. On Dec 1, 2007 9:18 PM, Frank Glazer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: daft punk has never been electro. the aux 88 i've heard is definitely electro. On Dec 1, 2007 8:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are Daft Punk and Aux 88 both Electro? Either? Neither? m50 -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com -- --- Michael Kuszynski [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.planerecordings.com New York, NY
(313) electro mixes
Some good stuff to be had here: http://www.vocode.com/electro_showcase.shtml m
(313) Electro in the SF Bay Area?
Hi all, One for the SF headz... Are there any regular electro nights, or 313 style nights happening in SF at the moment? Will be over there soon and would like to catch up with some 313 peeps to see whats going on. Peace, Patrick. -- Southern Outpost - Sydney. Distribution: Clone, NL. http://www.southernoutpost.com Infiltrating your sound systems. --
(313) Electro Dark Mix
New dj-set: Electro Dark Mix, by DJLS, available to listen or download at www.djls.com.ar Miguel.
RE: (313) Electro Dark Mix
Nice Mix. -Original Message- From: The Ionicboy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 9:28 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Electro Dark Mix New dj-set: Electro Dark Mix, by DJLS, available to listen or download at www.djls.com.ar Miguel.
Re: (313) Electro Dark Mix
Thanks Jason :) - Original Message - From: Jason Trolian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:20 AM Subject: RE: (313) Electro Dark Mix Nice Mix. -Original Message- From: The Ionicboy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 9:28 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Electro Dark Mix New dj-set: Electro Dark Mix, by DJLS, available to listen or download at www.djls.com.ar Miguel. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/312 - Release Date: 14/04/2006
(313) Electro/techno clubs in NYC
Heya 313, Back on the list after a long time away. Hope the signal to noise has changed for the better. This message is for the NYC peeps... are there any decent regular electro/techno clubs happening in NYC on Friday or Saturday nights? Peace, Patrick. Southern Outpost http://www.so612.com Dist: Submerge, Detroit.
Re: (313) Electro/techno clubs in NYC
When are you coming in? Monolake is playing this weekend. derek. On Tue, 23 Aug 2005, Southern Outpost wrote: Heya 313, Back on the list after a long time away. Hope the signal to noise has changed for the better. This message is for the NYC peeps... are there any decent regular electro/techno clubs happening in NYC on Friday or Saturday nights? Peace, Patrick. Southern Outpost http://www.so612.com Dist: Submerge, Detroit.
Re: (313) Electro/techno clubs in NYC
At 09:18 AM 8/23/2005, Southern Outpost wrote: This message is for the NYC peeps... are there any decent regular electro/techno clubs happening in NYC on Friday or Saturday nights? The Bunker has always been very decent (and only $5! and reasonably priced drinks!) when I've been there. This friday is big! http://www.klever.org/thebunkernyc Robots is pretty good too: http://www.wearerobots.net/ They had a Friday night which is supposed to come back or something. Enabler does Friday and Saturday nights too: http://www.enablernetwork.org/ I recommend checking out the NYC flavorpill, even though they don't list everything: http://nyc.flavorpill.net/index.jsp -- /* Halley */ (Halley's comment.) matt kane's brain podcast | http://www.hydrogenproject.com | netradio | on-the-air [EMAIL PROTECTED] || AIM: mkbatwerk
Re: (313) Electro/Industrial MIx
This is a great electro mix, anyone who hasn't checked it out yet should do so. Ace. robin... On 23 Aug 2004, at 20:44, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scotto Proto Live DJ -set 081404 Track list Novamen - Lekkage (bunker) Stinkworks - mnml 808 (bunker) UR - Infiltrator (ur) Nitzer Ebb - Warsaw Ghetto (geffen) Front 242 - Work (wax trax) Robotiko Rejekto - Rejekto (Perfekto mix) (xyz music) Aubrey Houermann - AH003 A2 white label (odic force) Sendex - Bass Explosion (bunker) Dexter - No More (klakson) Adult - Hand in Phone (clone) Keith Tucker - Face your Fate (puzzlebox) UR - Electronic Warfare (Aux 88 remix) (ur) Aux 88 - Direct Drive (direct beat) Ectomorph - Cease to Exist (interdimensional transmission) Luke Eargoggle - Swedish Code (bunker) Erik van den Broek - Subsonic Soundscape (shiver) Zeta Reticula - Ep 1(electrix) Dave Clarke - Before I was so Rudely Interrupted (icrunch) Antony Rother - Describe Reality (klanzeramp) M500 - Future (metroplex) Cybotron - Cosmic Cars (fantasy) Chaos - Techno Driver (metroplex) UR - Vintage Future (ur) Dynamix II - Techno Bass (dynamix ii) Chaos - Afrogermanic (ur) Kraftwerk - Numbers (ballroom) Anthony Rother - die Mackt (psi49net) The Punisher - The Punisher (ur) E8 - Synopsis (marguerita) Tecroc (kommando 6) i-f - Secret Desire (interdimensional transmission) Vanity 6 - Make-up (secret mix/fix) Phoenecia - Odd Job (Soul Oddity remix) (schematic) Clarence G - Clarence's Club (? - I wish i had this)* Tracks and sound bites mixed using Ableton Live software. All Tracks taken from my vinyl, except *, support independent record labels http://www.plaztikjezuz.com/scotto.mp3
Re: (313) Electro Wax
manasyt - microwave mind (roulette rekords) more industrial influenced, than jaun influenced; very solid. manasyt also has a release on touchin bass (tb009) its very hot. maybe hard to find in the states, both of these maybe hard to find in the states. the microwave mind release is going to have limited u.s. domestic distro (under 100 copies), there are a few up at thread in hamtramck as of last saturday. i heard that ectomorph, is working on a new one. scotto - Original Message - From: Emile Facey (Plant43) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jason kenjar [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 8:44 AM Subject: Re: (313) Electro Wax Scape One - Future Sound of Bognor (IWARI) on 22/8/04 3:27 am, jason kenjar at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, whats up people? This list gets quiet on the weekend, good time to start a new discussion. Any newer 313 style electro going around that I should listen to? Let me know if there are links where I can listen to samples. peace
Re: (313) Electro Wax
Just a bit of self promotion, we (Southern Outpost) have got two new ep's just about to drop... SO-009 Electric Shock ep and SO-010 V.I.M ep. You'll be able to gets these thru Submerge very shortly. Peace, Patrick. At 9:27 PM -0500 21/8/04, jason kenjar wrote: Hey, whats up people? This list gets quiet on the weekend, good time to start a new discussion. Any newer 313 style electro going around that I should listen to? Let me know if there are links where I can listen to samples. peace -- -- Southern Outpost - Sydney. Distribution: Submerge, Detroit http://www.southernoutpost.com Infiltrating your sound systems. --
RE: (313) Electro Wax
Pixelated Vision - 'Star Gazing' on SCSI-AV. Distributed by Baked Goods Distribution, UK, I think worldwide. A fair hunt should find it in the States. k
Re: (313) Electro Wax
A lot of the stuff coming through Clone.nl is lighting my candle at the moment. Have a look at their site, it has clips and descriptions. robin... On 22 Aug 2004, at 03:27, jason kenjar wrote: Hey, whats up people? This list gets quiet on the weekend, good time to start a new discussion. Any newer 313 style electro going around that I should listen to? Let me know if there are links where I can listen to samples. peace
(313) Electro/Industrial MIx
Scotto Proto Live DJ -set 081404 Track list Novamen - Lekkage (bunker) Stinkworks - mnml 808 (bunker) UR - Infiltrator (ur) Nitzer Ebb - Warsaw Ghetto (geffen) Front 242 - Work (wax trax) Robotiko Rejekto - Rejekto (Perfekto mix) (xyz music) Aubrey Houermann - AH003 A2 white label (odic force) Sendex - Bass Explosion (bunker) Dexter - No More (klakson) Adult - Hand in Phone (clone) Keith Tucker - Face your Fate (puzzlebox) UR - Electronic Warfare (Aux 88 remix) (ur) Aux 88 - Direct Drive (direct beat) Ectomorph - Cease to Exist (interdimensional transmission) Luke Eargoggle - Swedish Code (bunker) Erik van den Broek - Subsonic Soundscape (shiver) Zeta Reticula - Ep 1(electrix) Dave Clarke - Before I was so Rudely Interrupted (icrunch) Antony Rother - Describe Reality (klanzeramp) M500 - Future (metroplex) Cybotron - Cosmic Cars (fantasy) Chaos - Techno Driver (metroplex) UR - Vintage Future (ur) Dynamix II - Techno Bass (dynamix ii) Chaos - Afrogermanic (ur) Kraftwerk - Numbers (ballroom) Anthony Rother - die Mackt (psi49net) The Punisher - The Punisher (ur) E8 - Synopsis (marguerita) Tecroc (kommando 6) i-f - Secret Desire (interdimensional transmission) Vanity 6 - Make-up (secret mix/fix) Phoenecia - Odd Job (Soul Oddity remix) (schematic) Clarence G - Clarence's Club (? - I wish i had this)* Tracks and sound bites mixed using Ableton Live software. All Tracks taken from my vinyl, except *, support independent record labels http://www.plaztikjezuz.com/scotto.mp3
(313) Electro Wax
Hey, whats up people? This list gets quiet on the weekend, good time to start a new discussion. Any newer 313 style electro going around that I should listen to? Let me know if there are links where I can listen to samples. peace
Re: (313) Electro Wax
Scape One - Future Sound of Bognor (IWARI) on 22/8/04 3:27 am, jason kenjar at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, whats up people? This list gets quiet on the weekend, good time to start a new discussion. Any newer 313 style electro going around that I should listen to? Let me know if there are links where I can listen to samples. peace
Re: (313) Electro Wax
Not sure how 313 style it is but it's well worth checking out... on 22/8/04 1:44 pm, Emile Facey (Plant43) at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scape One - Future Sound of Bognor (IWARI) on 22/8/04 3:27 am, jason kenjar at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, whats up people? This list gets quiet on the weekend, good time to start a new discussion. Any newer 313 style electro going around that I should listen to? Let me know if there are links where I can listen to samples. peace
(313) electro/acid set online
dearly beloved some of you might like it. here's a live recording of my dj-set at extrema outdoor festival two weeks ago. scroll down for the audio icon. peace Lady aida Rebelbass http://www.vpro.nl/weblog/news.jsp?news=18619531
(313) Electro Mixes 81-84 part 1
Morning 313, In the DUST's Some History, please find enclosed... http://dustscience.heypod.co.uk/gregwilson/greg1.zip http://dustscience.heypod.co.uk/gregwilson/greg2.zip http://dustscience.heypod.co.uk/gregwilson/gregwilson-ukelectro.zip Part 1 of 3 GREG WILSON VARIOUS MIXES PLUS INTERVIEWS 1983-2002 1. BUFFALO GALS¹ MALCOLM McLAREN THE WORLD¹S FAMOUS SUPREME TEAM LIVE MIX 1983 Live mix from Legend¹ in Manchester using 3 turntables. Recorded onto cassette, so apologies for the poor sound quality. The track at the beginning is Klien MBO¹s Dirty Talk¹. 2. D¹YA LIKE SCRATCHIN¹¹ - PICCADILLY RADIO B-BOY MIX 1983 In the summer of 83, when breakdancing began to hit the streets of Manchester in a big way, I put this together with the breakers and poppers in mind. As with all my Radio mixes, the equipment I used were two Technics SL1200¹s and a Revox B77 reel-to-reel. Tracks are D¹Ya Like Scratchin¹¹ by Malcolm McLaren The World¹s Famous Supreme Team, The Adventures of Grandmaster Flash On The Wheels Of Steel¹ by Grandmaster Flash The Furious Five, Break Dancin¹ Electric Boogie¹ by the West Street Mob, The Wildstyle¹ by Time Zone, Rockit¹ by Herbie Hancock, I¹m The Pacman¹ by The Pacman, and Hobo Scratch¹ by Malcolm McLaren The World¹s Famous Supreme Team. 3. FREAK-A-ZOIDS¹ PICCADILLY RADIO DANCE MIX 1983 One of a number of mixes I did for Piccadilly between 82-84 (beginning in May 82). The mixes were the first of their type in the country, and were aired on Mike Shaft¹s specialist black music show, T.C.O.B¹ (Taking Care Of Business). This mix features many Legend¹ and Wigan Pier¹ classics from 82/83, including Freak-A-Zoid¹ by Midnight Star, Beat The Street¹ by Sharon Redd, Confused Beats¹ by New Order. Walking On Sunshine¹ by Rockers Revenge, Body Work¹ by Hot Streak¹, The Return Of Captain Rock¹ by Captain Rock, Heat You Up¹ by Shirley Lites, Makin¹ Music¹ by Gary¹s Gang, Jingo Breakdown¹ by Candido, It¹s Passion¹ by The System, Weekend¹ by Class Action, Chocolate Milk Who¹s Getting¹ It Now¹, Toney Lee Reach Up¹ and others, plus snippets of some of the more innovative pop 12² mixes of the period, Don¹t You Want Me¹ by the Human League, The Look Of Love¹ by ABC, Chant No 1¹ by Spandau Ballet and Situation¹ by Yazoo. 4. I FEEL FOR YOU¹ CHAKA KHAN PICCADILLY RADIO TURNTABLE EDIT 1984 One of a series of mixes I did for Piccadilly in 84 where I took a well-known track and put together my own version. I called them Turntable Edits¹ because I¹d use 2 copies of the same record for repeat and phase effects, and the Revox for cutting it up. Others included New Order, Frankie Goes To Hollywood, and Scritti Politti. 5. THE WORD¹ KISS 100 ELECTRO INTERVIEW 1994 6. THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO CLUBLAND¹ RADIO 1 ELECTRO INTERVIEW 1994 In 1994 I compiled Classic Electro Mastercuts¹, which prompted much media interest in the Electro period. I¹ve included two of the radio interviews I did that year, one for Kiss 100¹s Electro special, the other for Radio 1¹s club history, The Gospel According To Clubland¹. It¹s interesting to note that while Radio 1 cite their own presenter, Tim Westwood, as the pioneer of the London Electro scene, Kiss¹s Gordon Mac places its origins with George Power and Paul Anderson. Whatever the disagreements about the roots and development of the Electro movement in the capital, there¹s no such argument regarding the North. Much of the confusion surrounding the London scene is because it was fragmented and without a focal point (until Mike Allen¹s Capital radio show finally filled the void towards the end of 1984), whereas Legend and Wigan Pier were central to the club scene up-North, and known to pretty much every DJ in the region, if not the country. On top of this, the Piccadilly radio mixes allowed me to take Electro-Funk to a wider audience at a time when Mike Shaft¹s Soul show contemporaries in London, Greg Edwards and Robbie Vincent, would never have entertained such an idea. 7. MONASTIC MIX¹ 1996 Although my DJ appearances since 1984 have been few and far-between, from late 96 through 97 I was involved in an experimental monthly club night on Merseyside (plus specials at London¹s Mars Bar¹) called The Monastery¹. The basic premise was that we didn¹t play any four-on-the-floor (as this was being played pretty much everywhere else at the time), concentrating instead on groove-based music from the 60¹s to the 90¹s. A free cassette was given away to everyone who attended the first night, with the Monastic Mix¹ filling one of the sides. It was the final mix I put together using my Revox, and is just about as eclectic as it gets (although more recently Soulwax¹s brilliant 2 Many DJ¹s¹ mix had a similar anything goes flavour), featuring 60¹s Soul, 70¹s Funk, Electro-Funk, Hip-Hop, Indie-Dance, Trip-Hop, Drum Bass and more. I put it together with a Liverpool DJ called Matt Shannon, and it became cult listening for the people who got hold
(313) Electro Mixes 81-84 part 2
Part two 1. UK ELECTRO ICA SUMMER 84 2. EQUIP XXXO¹ (UNRELEASED DEMO DEC 83) 3. BROKEN GLASS STYLE OF THE STREET¹ (ORIGINAL DEMO JAN 84) Thanks for your interest in UK Electro¹, its over 18 years ago now since it was first released and the enclosed CD provides an alternative to the Mastermind-mixed album. For our only live appearance in the summer of 84 I put together a 34-minute tape, over which live keyboards and bass were added for the performance. Broken Glass, then the best-known British break crew also appeared, dancing throughout the UK Electro set. The tape, like the album, was continuous, but much more in context with the experimental nature of the project. Excuse the long sections of just beats; certain parts were kept sparse on purpose for the musicians to fill on the night. Almost two decades on and UK Electro¹ is regarded as a cult-classic by the thriving British Retro-Electro community, many of whom were barely in their teens when the album was released (Street Sounds being the label that introduced so many young people to dance culture in this country). UK Electro¹ was the first record I worked on (as co-writer, co-producer and remixer), and was released in June 84, 6 months after I retired¹ as a club DJ at the end of 1983. Throughout 82 and 83 I was known for the New York Electro I played at my main clubs, Legend in Manchester, Wigan Pier, and later, The Hacienda. This was where the British Electro-Funk scene first flourished. Ten years on from UK Electro¹ I compiled and wrote the sleevenotes for Classic Electro¹ in conjunction with Ian Dewhirst (who devised the outstanding Mastercuts series of high quality club retrospectives). Also on the enclosed CD is the first demo I recorded with my UK Electro collaborators, Martin Jackson and Andy Connell, which we called XXXO¹ by Equip. A further 8-track demo was the original version of Style Of The Street¹, the first ever track to feature rapper Kermit (later of the Ruthless Rap Assassins and Black Grape). I always preferred the demo of Style Of The Street¹ to the final version, which appeared on the album and then on 12². Before the track starts there¹s a snippet of conversation between Mike Shaft and myself (from Piccadilly Radio, who broadcast my mixes in the early 80¹s) referring to the beginnings of Broken Glass in the summer of 83. If you need any further information, e-mail me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greg Wilson Sept 2002 UK ELECTRO In January 1984, I sat down with Kermit and Fiddz, two of the dancers from Broken Glass, and we wrote the lyrics of a track called Style Of The Street¹. Following the Rock Steady Crew¹s chart success we figured that we might be able to get a deal for a record of our own. Along with Martin Jackson (ex-Magazine drummer) and Andy Connell (the keyboard player from Factory band, A Certain Ratio), we went into a small studio and made a demo of Style Of The Street¹, so I could approach record companies with the idea. One of the people we went to see was Morgan Khan, who I¹d already built up a relationship with during my time as a DJ. In October 83 Morgan had launched his hugely successful Street Sounds Electro¹ series, bringing the music to a mass UK audience for the first time. On hearing Style Of The Street¹ and a couple of other ideas Martin, Andy and I had been working on, he offered us a deal and sent us back into the studio to master the Broken Glass track and record some new ones. Once he¹d heard what we¹d come up with, Morgan told us he wanted to release an album called UK Electro¹, using 6 of our tracks, plus a further track that Mastermind recorded under the name of The Rapologists. To give the illusion of a thriving Electro scene developing in Britain, he asked us think up different artist names (besides Broken Glass, these would be Zer-o, Forevereaction, and Syncbeat). Morgan came up with all the colourful aliases¹ that appeared as the various production and songwriting credits, and the album was rush released in June 84, reaching a highly creditable number 60 on the UK chart. The tracks themselves were diverse and experimental; we¹d pretty much made them up in the studio as we went along. None of the keyboards were sequenced, with Andy, an excellent pianist, playing them all in, incredibly, by hand. My own experience of recording studios was minimal, and now here we were making an Electro album! My naivety no doubt annoyed the hell out of Martin and Andy, and the session became quite stressful as we tried to make sense of each other, but we somehow got through it all. The results, I feel, were interesting but patchy, but the album has its moments and, given the circumstances, I think we did quite well. Style Of The Street¹ sounded like exactly what it was; a first, and not very successful attempt at writing a Pop/Dance song (it sounded much better as a demo, before we¹d over-electrofied it). The Forevereaction tracks were dark and brooding with strange sounding samples,
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Thanks to Martin for putting this info out. So many memories. For me it’s a fantatic reminder of good times. Esp the referances to Legends as we used it bus it across from Leeds. And that dodgy place in Hulme near the roundabout). Soon these sounds started emanating from the Warehouse in Leeds too. The 81-83 mega mix is a condensed version how I remember a typical night outits missing out the 'erection section' at the end of the night : ) Thanks Again. -Original Message- From: Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 August 2003 10:33 To: 313 Subject: (313) Electro Mixes 81-84 part 1 Morning 313, In the DUST's Some History, please find enclosed... http://dustscience.heypod.co.uk/gregwilson/greg1.zip http://dustscience.heypod.co.uk/gregwilson/greg2.zip http://dustscience.heypod.co.uk/gregwilson/gregwilson-ukelectro.zip Part 1 of 3 GREG WILSON VARIOUS MIXES PLUS INTERVIEWS 1983-2002 1. ŒBUFFALO GALS¹ MALCOLM McLAREN THE WORLD¹S FAMOUS SUPREME TEAM LIVE MIX 1983 Live mix from ŒLegend¹ in Manchester using 3 turntables. Recorded onto cassette, so apologies for the poor sound quality. The track at the beginning is Klien MBO¹s ŒDirty Talk¹. 2. ŒD¹YA LIKE SCRATCHIN¹¹ - PICCADILLY RADIO B-BOY MIX 1983 In the summer of 83, when breakdancing began to hit the streets of Manchester in a big way, I put this together with the breakers and poppers in mind. As with all my Radio mixes, the equipment I used were two Technics SL1200¹s and a Revox B77 reel-to-reel. Tracks are ŒD¹Ya Like Scratchin¹¹ by Malcolm McLaren The World¹s Famous Supreme Team, ŒThe Adventures of Grandmaster Flash On The Wheels Of Steel¹ by Grandmaster Flash The Furious Five, ŒBreak Dancin¹ Electric Boogie¹ by the West Street Mob, ŒThe Wildstyle¹ by Time Zone, ŒRockit¹ by Herbie Hancock, ŒI¹m The Pacman¹ by The Pacman, and ŒHobo Scratch¹ by Malcolm McLaren The World¹s Famous Supreme Team. 3. ŒFREAK-A-ZOIDS¹ PICCADILLY RADIO DANCE MIX 1983 One of a number of mixes I did for Piccadilly between 82-84 (beginning in May 82). The mixes were the first of their type in the country, and were aired on Mike Shaft¹s specialist black music show, ŒT.C.O.B¹ (Taking Care Of Business). This mix features many ŒLegend¹ and ŒWigan Pier¹ classics from 82/83, including ŒFreak-A-Zoid¹ by Midnight Star, ŒBeat The Street¹ by Sharon Redd, ŒConfused Beats¹ by New Order. ŒWalking On Sunshine¹ by Rockers Revenge, ŒBody Work¹ by Hot Streak¹, ŒThe Return Of Captain Rock¹ by Captain Rock, ŒHeat You Up¹ by Shirley Lites, ŒMakin¹ Music¹ by Gary¹s Gang, ŒJingo Breakdown¹ by Candido, ŒIt¹s Passion¹ by The System, ŒWeekend¹ by Class Action, Chocolate Milk ŒWho¹s Getting¹ It Now¹, ŒToney Lee ŒReach Up¹ and others, plus snippets of some of the more innovative pop 12² mixes of the period, ŒDon¹t You Want Me¹ by the Human League, ŒThe Look Of Love¹ by ABC, ŒChant No 1¹ by Spandau Ballet and ŒSituation¹ by Yazoo. 4. ŒI FEEL FOR YOU¹ CHAKA KHAN PICCADILLY RADIO TURNTABLE EDIT 1984 One of a series of mixes I did for Piccadilly in 84 where I took a well-known track and put together my own version. I called them ŒTurntable Edits¹ because I¹d use 2 copies of the same record for repeat and phase effects, and the Revox for cutting it up. Others included New Order, Frankie Goes To Hollywood, and Scritti Politti. 5. ŒTHE WORD¹ KISS 100 ELECTRO INTERVIEW 1994 6. ŒTHE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO CLUBLAND¹ RADIO 1 ELECTRO INTERVIEW 1994 In 1994 I compiled ŒClassic Electro Mastercuts¹, which prompted much media interest in the Electro period. I¹ve included two of the radio interviews I did that year, one for Kiss 100¹s Electro special, the other for Radio 1¹s club history, ŒThe Gospel According To Clubland¹. It¹s interesting to note that while Radio 1 cite their own presenter, Tim Westwood, as the pioneer of the London Electro scene, Kiss¹s Gordon Mac places its origins with George Power and Paul Anderson. Whatever the disagreements about the roots and development of the Electro movement in the capital, there¹s no such argument regarding the North. Much of the confusion surrounding the London scene is because it was fragmented and without a focal point (until Mike Allen¹s Capital radio show finally filled the void towards the end of 1984), whereas Legend and Wigan Pier were central to the club scene up-North, and known to pretty much every DJ in the region, if not the country. On top of this, the Piccadilly radio mixes allowed me to take Electro-Funk to a wider audience at a time when Mike Shaft¹s Soul show contemporaries in London, Greg Edwards and Robbie Vincent, would never have entertained such an idea. 7. ŒMONASTIC MIX¹ 1996 Although my DJ appearances since 1984 have been few and far-between, from late 96 through 97 I was involved in an experimental monthly club night on Merseyside (plus specials at London¹s ŒMars Bar¹) called ŒThe Monastery¹. The basic premise was that we didn¹t play any four-on-the-floor
(313) Electro Funk - Greg Wilson
Morning 313ers, Just got 3 cds and a load of articles from Greg this morning, some absolutely top stuff including interviews from back in the day (82-84). It sounds like a couple of the mixes come from tapes so I'll spend a little time fixing the sound before I make them available but we've been bouncing around the studio to them all morning. I've just got some stuff to check with Greg first but they should be available next week... Md
(313) electro house pop
listening to the new snoop dogg album, track 10 ('wasnt your fault') sounds
very very very metro area indeed!
its good stuff!
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(313) Electro Funk
313ers... I've been in touch with Greg Wilson and you be pleased to know he's going to send me some mixes so I can make them available from the Dust site... For those of you who like your spin large, check this link... http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/ViewArticle.aspx?SectionID=58ArticleID=561972 Md
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'clubbing brand', what a horrible phrase. I can imagine people saying 'I love Gatecrasher, its just such a great brand'. The music might be crap, but you gotta respect that branding! jeez. - Original Message - From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 4:14 PM Subject: (313) Electro Funk 313ers... I've been in touch with Greg Wilson and you be pleased to know he's going to send me some mixes so I can make them available from the Dust site... For those of you who like your spin large, check this link... http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/ViewArticle.aspx?SectionID=58ArticleID=561972 Md __ Join Freeserve http://www.freeserve.com/time/ Winner of the 2003 Internet Service Providers' Association awards for Best Unmetered ISP and Best Consumer Application.
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great stuff Martin - thanks for all the links info - many, many fond memories :) lisa Martin wrote: Morning 313ers, Thanks for all the contacts yesterday, I thought I'd share some of the info with you, also check out the link, that will take a few of you back you back [snip]
(313) ELECTRO-FUN
Morning 313ers, Thanks for all the contacts yesterday, I thought I'd share some of the info with you, also check out the link, that will take a few of you back you back :) I also hope that it starts some good discussions... It's interesting that this DJ never gets mentioned, If you live in the UK and have been watching Trevor Nelson's Soul Nation a similar thing happened to the guys to ran The Twisted Wheel in Manchester, which was the home of Northern Soul - guess what! It didn't even get mention... http://jukar.biostat.wisc.edu/gregwilson1983.rm md ELECTRO-FUNK - WHAT DID IT ALL MEAN? Greg Wilson November 2002 Electro-Funk is undoubtedly the most misunderstood of all UK Dance genres, yet probably the most vital with regards to its overall influence. Central to the confusion is the term itself, which during 82/83 (before it was shortened to Electro) was specific to the UK. From a US perspective this music would come under a variety of headings (including Hip-Hop, Dance, Disco, Electric Boogie and Freestyle), arriving on import here in the UK, mainly on New York labels like West End, Prelude, Sugarhill, Emergency, Profile, Tommy Boy, Streetwise, plus numerous others. Just as Northern Soul was a British term for a style (or group of styles) of American black music, so was Electro-Funk, and, like Northern, the roots of the scene are planted firmly in the North-West of England. Although this has been documented in a number of books and publications down the years, often with a fair degree of insight, the subject is rarely approached with any true depth and attention to detail, the information all in fragments. Perhaps the main reason that Electro-Funk remains a mystery to so many people is because its audience was predominantly black at a time when cutting-edge black music (and black culture in general) was very much marginalized in the UK, and as a result essentially underground. To keep up to date with what was happening on the British black music scene in 82/83 youd have had to have been a reader of a specialist publication like Blues Soul or Black Echoes. In the UK scheme of things Electro-Funk eventually took over from Jazz-Funk as the dominant force on the club scene, but not without major controversy and upheaval. The purists regarded electronic or electric (as they called it) with total contempt, rejecting its validity on the grounds that it was, in their opinion, not real music due to its technological nature (although Marvin Gayes Sexual Healing would put paid to that theory). However, as time went on and audience tastes began to change, even the most hostile DJs were forced to play at least some Electro-Funk. Despite all the resistance, the movement slowly but surely began to gain momentum, sweeping down from the North, through the Midlands and eventually into London and the South. The reason the Electro scene took so long to fully establish itself in the capital was down to the stranglehold the all-powerful Soul Mafia DJs held on the Southern scene. The Soul Mafia, with big names like Chris Hill, Robbie Vincent, Froggy, Jeff Young and Pete Tong, continued to play Jazz-Funk and Soul grooves (later referred to as 80s Groove). It wouldnt be until 84 that their virtual monopoly of the clubs, radio, and the black music press began to erode as a new order of music replaced the old, laying the foundations not only for Hip-Hop, but also the subsequent UK Techno and House scenes. As has often been said, Electro is the missing link of Dance music. All roads lead back to New York where the level of musical innovation and experimentation throughout the early 80s period was quite staggering. It wasnt one narrow style that never strayed from within the confides of an even narrower BPM range, Electro-Funk was anything goes! The diversity of records released during this period was what made it so magical, you never knew what was coming next. The tempo of these tracks ranged from under 100 beats-per-minute to over 130, covering an entire rhythmic spectrum along the way. There was no set template for this new Dance direction, it just went wherever it went and took you grooving along with it. It was all about stretching the boundaries that had begun to stifle black music, and its influences lay not only with German Technopop wizards Kraftwerk, the acknowledged forefathers of pure Electro, plus British Futurist acts like the Human League and Gary Numan, but also with a number of pioneering black musicians. Major artists like Miles Davis, Sly Stone, Herbie Hancock, Stevie Wonder, legendary producer Norman Whitfield and, of course, George Clinton and his P Funk brigade, would all play their part in shaping this new sound via their innovative use of electronic instruments during the 70s (and as early as the late 60s in Miles Daviss case). Once the next generation of black musicians finally got their hands on the available technology it was bound to lead to a musical revolution as they
(313) Electro-Jazz
Is there such a thing? Just wondering - there's an upcoming Jazz fest in Toronto, and they're featuring an Electro-Jazz series. They haven't announced the lineup yet - I wonder what kind of artists would fit into that category? Cheers! G
Re: (313) Electro-Jazz
there is jazz -everything everyone and their brother has taken jazz and mashed it into every other form of music in existance. of course, said people have worked out the concept with varying degrees of success - Original Message - From: Gerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 9:15 PM Subject: (313) Electro-Jazz Is there such a thing? Just wondering - there's an upcoming Jazz fest in Toronto, and they're featuring an Electro-Jazz series. They haven't announced the lineup yet - I wonder what kind of artists would fit into that category? Cheers! G
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I went to the Montreal Jazz Festival a few years back and they had NNERZONE ORCHESTRA headline the event. Before him were sets by A-TRAK and KID KOALA. FREDERIC GALLIANO does a really cool live jazz-afro-electronic thing. KOOP takes more traditional torch song jazz and updates it. Jeez... there's so many more, and I drawing a blank. But beware, there's also loads of 'jazz' inspired electronci music out there that IMO has nothing to do with jazz. Its just a real convenient influence to drop when you want to be taken seriously. On Sun, 11 May 2003, Gerald wrote: Is there such a thing? Just wondering - there's an upcoming Jazz fest in Toronto, and they're featuring an Electro-Jazz series. They haven't announced the lineup yet - I wonder what kind of artists would fit into that category? Cheers! G
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herbie hancock, bill lazwell. was just given this paul hardcastle 45 rain forest/sound chaser, the rain forest track is very jazzy. i played it for a friend who is more into jazz then techno, and he really enjoyed it. -scotto lansing, mi. plaztikjezuz.com - Original Message - From: Gerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 9:15 PM Subject: (313) Electro-Jazz Is there such a thing? Just wondering - there's an upcoming Jazz fest in Toronto, and they're featuring an Electro-Jazz series. They haven't announced the lineup yet - I wonder what kind of artists would fit into that category? Cheers! G
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Gerald said: Is there such a thing? It might not be the case here, but in the past I've heard people use the word electro as a shortened version of electronic to sound cool with out realising that they had two seperate meanings. They could just be meaning electronic jazz... Or maybe not... -- dave.
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Just wondering - there's an upcoming Jazz fest in Toronto, and they're featuring an Electro-Jazz series. They haven't announced the lineup yet - I wonder what kind of artists would fit into that category? Static fits that description IMHO... you can hear some of the tracks at TigerSushi http://www.tigersushi.com/site/frameset.jsp?page=Art.jspArtId=748 peace, Matt MacQueen
Re: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ)
I couldn't help overreading this thread. :) I'm a music producer and my project, which is called Two divided by zero, is somewhat about this electro-house thread. It mixes up electro, techno and a lot of 80's electronic pop stuff. I sincerely would like to know what you guys would think about it. If you care to listen and comment here is the url: http://www.twodividedbyzero.com/background/background.htm thanks in advance e sorry for the inconvenience, 2/0 T W O D I V I D E D B Y Z E R O Nothing is wasted, only reproduced http://www.twodividedbyzero.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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That's a different issue again. I admit I have this problem too. And some stores here have no order at all. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 1:57 AM Realistically, practically, if you look at the way music is organized in record stores - do you really want to sort through all the country releases to get to that Suburban Knight 12 inch? No, I don't but on the other hand I don't want to look through micro categories for different types of records and I'm sure record store clerks don't want to have to start figuring out if something is Death Disco Electro-House Micro-House or House-music-influenced-by-three-or-four-songs-that-might-have-been-played-a t-Zanziba r-on-the-28th-of-October. MEK
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i can get a copy to you if you are keen, it is a very good cd indeed. and it wouldnt be pirating because it is for 'promotional use only'!! im always up for cd swapping ab -Original Message- From: Rob Theakston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 8:14 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) ELECTRO HOUSE mix questions. i haven't been following this thread, so i do apologize if this is treaded ground already 24k -Morgan Geist Epoch -Morgan Geist Jersey Chica - Morgan Geist Just cant get enough - Morgan Geist (just kidding. it's Depeche Mode) Ride on the Rhythm - Mahogany (unless it's that MAW redux?) Cafe De Flore - Herbert Without hearing it, Get on Up and Dance might be Eddie Harris (mizell production?? macqueen? kellman? bueller?)...though the tempo would be a bit off? Acid Soul- Tiefschwarz Night Birds- Shakatak (unless it's a cover) sounds like a good mix. i'd be curious to hear it. ESPECIALLY the Shakatak into The Rapture. that's genius. rob ps. hi joe. -Original Message- From: Joseph Ross Lynn IV [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 6:17 PM To: gretchen anderson Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) ELECTRO HOUSE mix questions. House Of Jealous Lovers - The Rapture he not in - chicken lips From: Alex Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 18:04:07 +0930 To: 313@Hyperreal.Org 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) ELECTRO HOUSE mix questions. just thought i would use that term to piss the nerds off a bit :) anyhow i got a cd of nice bleepy house stuff (im too scared to use any phrase which could be considered a 'genre') from a guy here in adelaide, its all quite slow, i think a lot of it is played at minus pitch which sounds great. it has a tracklist but only the song names not the artists, so if anyone can fill in the gaps i would be quite happy! 1 - sex with strangers - 2 - jersey chica - 3 - dont you wanna? - (dj rasoul i think? i won this record but dont have a record player at the moment) 4 - cafe de flore - 5 - juno - 6 - ma foom bey - 7 - caught up - metro area 8 - epoch - 9 - get on up and dance - 10 - at night - shakedown ( i love this tune even though its cheesy) 11 - 24k - 12 - number one - 13 - acid soul - 14 - he not in - 15 - just cant get enough - (the old song from the 80s) 16 - night birds - 17 - house of jealous lovers - 18 - ride on the rhythm - ab --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/28/2003 -- Knecht --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/28/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/28/2003
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Cafe De Flore is one of my fav mathew herbert tracks ;)!! I think it was just re-pressed on his soundslike label, pick it up if you can. -Pete -Original Message- From: Rob Theakston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 6:44 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) ELECTRO HOUSE mix questions. i haven't been following this thread, so i do apologize if this is treaded ground already 24k -Morgan Geist Epoch -Morgan Geist Jersey Chica - Morgan Geist Just cant get enough - Morgan Geist (just kidding. it's Depeche Mode) Ride on the Rhythm - Mahogany (unless it's that MAW redux?) Cafe De Flore - Herbert Without hearing it, Get on Up and Dance might be Eddie Harris (mizell production?? macqueen? kellman? bueller?)...though the tempo would be a bit off? Acid Soul- Tiefschwarz Night Birds- Shakatak (unless it's a cover) sounds like a good mix. i'd be curious to hear it. ESPECIALLY the Shakatak into The Rapture. that's genius. rob ps. hi joe. -Original Message- From: Joseph Ross Lynn IV [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 6:17 PM To: gretchen anderson Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) ELECTRO HOUSE mix questions. House Of Jealous Lovers - The Rapture he not in - chicken lips From: Alex Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 18:04:07 +0930 To: 313@Hyperreal.Org 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) ELECTRO HOUSE mix questions. just thought i would use that term to piss the nerds off a bit :) anyhow i got a cd of nice bleepy house stuff (im too scared to use any phrase which could be considered a 'genre') from a guy here in adelaide, its all quite slow, i think a lot of it is played at minus pitch which sounds great. it has a tracklist but only the song names not the artists, so if anyone can fill in the gaps i would be quite happy! 1 - sex with strangers - 2 - jersey chica - 3 - dont you wanna? - (dj rasoul i think? i won this record but dont have a record player at the moment) 4 - cafe de flore - 5 - juno - 6 - ma foom bey - 7 - caught up - metro area 8 - epoch - 9 - get on up and dance - 10 - at night - shakedown ( i love this tune even though its cheesy) 11 - 24k - 12 - number one - 13 - acid soul - 14 - he not in - 15 - just cant get enough - (the old song from the 80s) 16 - night birds - 17 - house of jealous lovers - 18 - ride on the rhythm - ab --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/28/2003 -- Knecht
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You can't just blame music writers, it's an industry thing. Realistically, practically, if you look at the way music is organised in record stores - do you really want to sort through all the country releases to get to that Suburban Knight 12 inch? I can tell you also that the vast majority of labels come from artists themselves. Never underestimate artists' attempts to market themselves - and that's understandable. Eg. DJ Hell has claimed to coining 'electroclash'. I'm sure he didn't envisage what happened with that. Big beat came from Fatboy Slim! 'House' came from punters at the Warehouse. You could say media types often take things out of context, or that magazines exploit it, sure. Some of our most loved music was a 'trend' at one stage. Techno, New Romantic, whatever. I really think we have to start to rethink whether 'fashion' is a bad thing. Fashion = change = flux. It's not something the modern media created. It can be good and bad. What makes techno special is it ultimately transcended fashion to be tied to a certain era and beyond. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Gillies [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 5:12 AM I wonder what's worse? A music journalist who spent 2 seconds trying to describe how a certain type of music sounds ...or a list full of people spending days trying to examine the meaning of said offensive categorization? On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, David Gillies wrote: I've heard that term to describe stuff on Paper Recordings as well Sean Creen wrote: As far as I remember, that term was first used by Simon Reynolds to describe the Berlin sound, but then everything seems to revolve around drugs as far as that excuse for a journalist is concerned... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 April 2003 15:56 To: Tom Robbins/Magic Feet Cc: 313 mailing list Subject: Re: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) I heard someone call Theo Parrish's stuff 'heroin house'
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don't know where you guys have been but we've known this genre as elicso for the last 6 minutes... -Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 1 May 2003 1:59 p.m. To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) You can't just blame music writers, it's an industry thing. Realistically, practically, if you look at the way music is organised in record stores - do you really want to sort through all the country releases to get to that Suburban Knight 12 inch? I can tell you also that the vast majority of labels come from artists themselves. Never underestimate artists' attempts to market themselves - and that's understandable. Eg. DJ Hell has claimed to coining 'electroclash'. I'm sure he didn't envisage what happened with that. Big beat came from Fatboy Slim! 'House' came from punters at the Warehouse. You could say media types often take things out of context, or that magazines exploit it, sure. Some of our most loved music was a 'trend' at one stage. Techno, New Romantic, whatever. I really think we have to start to rethink whether 'fashion' is a bad thing. Fashion = change = flux. It's not something the modern media created. It can be good and bad. What makes techno special is it ultimately transcended fashion to be tied to a certain era and beyond.
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This is the only decent use of labels IMHO ... On Wednesday, April 30, 2003, at 09:59 PM, Cyclone Wehner wrote: Realistically, practically, if you look at the way music is organised in record stores
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I don't think I can pronounce that. ;) -- From: Ralf Gill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 (E-mail) 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 12:24 PM don't know where you guys have been but we've known this genre as elicso for the last 6 minutes... -Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 1 May 2003 1:59 p.m. To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) You can't just blame music writers, it's an industry thing. Realistically, practically, if you look at the way music is organised in record stores - do you really want to sort through all the country releases to get to that Suburban Knight 12 inch? I can tell you also that the vast majority of labels come from artists themselves. Never underestimate artists' attempts to market themselves - and that's understandable. Eg. DJ Hell has claimed to coining 'electroclash'. I'm sure he didn't envisage what happened with that. Big beat came from Fatboy Slim! 'House' came from punters at the Warehouse. You could say media types often take things out of context, or that magazines exploit it, sure. Some of our most loved music was a 'trend' at one stage. Techno, New Romantic, whatever. I really think we have to start to rethink whether 'fashion' is a bad thing. Fashion = change = flux. It's not something the modern media created. It can be good and bad. What makes techno special is it ultimately transcended fashion to be tied to a certain era and beyond.
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Yeah! He looks like that actor Ioan Gruffudd in Hornblower. -- From: Alex Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) electro house is taking over in OZ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 6:00 PM is that the old dj nigel from adelaide? if so he is the DON dj. ab -Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 10:58 AM To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) electro house is taking over in OZ I think it's still very, very underground, though Metro Area are popular and commercial DJs have discovered them. The DJs who are playing that sound are still fairly underground. A few people are inventing new nights around it. That's the thing in Melbourne - boutique nights with really eccentric music policies. There is an amazing DJ here called Agent 86 who mixes up electro with everything rom HMC to Amerie to The Seed by The Roots and his own electro productions and he scratches and everything. That hybrid style is the new 'sound' in the underground. He plays RB clubs as DJ Dumb, and electro as Agent 86. I think ever since the hard minimal sound of techno fell out of favour people have embraced electro-house. In Melbourne this is partly because Gasp Entertainment left and stopped doing innovative parties and the other techno promoters tended to push the hard big room Euro tech which people got tired of. Ministry Of Sound Aust are too busy pimping that revolting Euro-trance, so we're safe. -- From: Alex Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@Hyperreal.Org 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) electro house is taking over in OZ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:52 PM every time i go out to little bars and things all i hear is metro area sounding stuff, that wicked electro/synthy house. is it just here that this is happening? (australia) or is electro house taking over the world? i love the stuff but i fear that it will become over played and get into the top 40 with really cheesy stuff that tries to emulate the proper atrists in this genre... ab --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003
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I think it's just a more succinct way of saying 'house music with electro' influence'. Labels are useful as tools - eg in rec stores - but I think the underground takes them more seriously. It doesn't change the way they sound. Metro Area rock. -- From: Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 list 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 1:41 AM I don't read those magazines, but sometimes i write for them. The idea of 'electro house' does seem a bit of an oxymoron to me, since my concept of different genres is rooted in the characteristic beat patterns they use. House music almost invariably employs a kick on the beat (i.e. 1 2 3 4) and a 'backbeat' sound, usually but not always a clap (i.e. 2 4) Around this armiture all sorts of syncopation is possible, but that boom chick boom chick between 115 and 130 BPM is what makes it instantly recognizable. Electro, by contrast has the backbeat on 2 and 4, but generally has a syncopated, prominent kick. House will drop the backbeat on occasion, but Electro generally maintains the backbeat from beginning to end. So Electro house would be ... what? Maybe this seems flippant, but discriminating between genres is a continuing vexation for me. I'm still trying to figure out what hard house is, but I have a hard time dissecting it taxonomically because any time I hear a mix represented to me as hard house I rarely last more than 5 minutes before I run screaming. On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Alex Bates wrote: mate i dont read those magazines, in fact i dont read any music mags/websites. i never heard the label 'electro house' until i made it up 30 mins ago. damn people like you for getting upset that people use terms to describe a certain style of music! :)
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On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 13:34:55 -0500, Matthew MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: . The 2 coming together is bliss, especially for people who like both techno AND disco, but you rarely get to hear that sound together on more than a handful of good records. Interestingly enough, there's been no mention of Daniel Wang. Of course there's his releases on Environ which undoubtedly gave a little influence to Morgan and Darshan, but his releases on Balihu.. .whoa! -- Benn Glazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.royaltech.net http://dj.royaltech.net
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also hes the only person ive ever seen playing (and juggling) the dj premier remix of janet jackson's 'together again' (one of my fave remixes in that genre) ab -Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 1:36 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) electro house is taking over in OZ Yeah! He looks like that actor Ioan Gruffudd in Hornblower. -- From: Alex Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) electro house is taking over in OZ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 6:00 PM is that the old dj nigel from adelaide? if so he is the DON dj. ab -Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 10:58 AM To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) electro house is taking over in OZ I think it's still very, very underground, though Metro Area are popular and commercial DJs have discovered them. The DJs who are playing that sound are still fairly underground. A few people are inventing new nights around it. That's the thing in Melbourne - boutique nights with really eccentric music policies. There is an amazing DJ here called Agent 86 who mixes up electro with everything rom HMC to Amerie to The Seed by The Roots and his own electro productions and he scratches and everything. That hybrid style is the new 'sound' in the underground. He plays RB clubs as DJ Dumb, and electro as Agent 86. I think ever since the hard minimal sound of techno fell out of favour people have embraced electro-house. In Melbourne this is partly because Gasp Entertainment left and stopped doing innovative parties and the other techno promoters tended to push the hard big room Euro tech which people got tired of. Ministry Of Sound Aust are too busy pimping that revolting Euro-trance, so we're safe. -- From: Alex Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@Hyperreal.Org 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) electro house is taking over in OZ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:52 PM every time i go out to little bars and things all i hear is metro area sounding stuff, that wicked electro/synthy house. is it just here that this is happening? (australia) or is electro house taking over the world? i love the stuff but i fear that it will become over played and get into the top 40 with really cheesy stuff that tries to emulate the proper atrists in this genre... ab --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/28/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/28/2003
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well said!! its not strictly electro or house. it is kind of housey stuff that sounds electro influenced. i dont understand why people are getting so upset over this! ab -Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 3:16 PM To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) I think it's just a more succinct way of saying 'house music with electro' influence'. Labels are useful as tools - eg in rec stores - but I think the underground takes them more seriously. It doesn't change the way they sound. Metro Area rock. -- From: Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 list 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) electro house is taking over (maybe not just in OZ) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 1:41 AM I don't read those magazines, but sometimes i write for them. The idea of 'electro house' does seem a bit of an oxymoron to me, since my concept of different genres is rooted in the characteristic beat patterns they use. House music almost invariably employs a kick on the beat (i.e. 1 2 3 4) and a 'backbeat' sound, usually but not always a clap (i.e. 2 4) Around this armiture all sorts of syncopation is possible, but that boom chick boom chick between 115 and 130 BPM is what makes it instantly recognizable. Electro, by contrast has the backbeat on 2 and 4, but generally has a syncopated, prominent kick. House will drop the backbeat on occasion, but Electro generally maintains the backbeat from beginning to end. So Electro house would be ... what? Maybe this seems flippant, but discriminating between genres is a continuing vexation for me. I'm still trying to figure out what hard house is, but I have a hard time dissecting it taxonomically because any time I hear a mix represented to me as hard house I rarely last more than 5 minutes before I run screaming. On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Alex Bates wrote: mate i dont read those magazines, in fact i dont read any music mags/websites. i never heard the label 'electro house' until i made it up 30 mins ago. damn people like you for getting upset that people use terms to describe a certain style of music! :) --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/28/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/28/2003
(313) ELECTRO HOUSE mix questions.
just thought i would use that term to piss the nerds off a bit :) anyhow i got a cd of nice bleepy house stuff (im too scared to use any phrase which could be considered a 'genre') from a guy here in adelaide, its all quite slow, i think a lot of it is played at minus pitch which sounds great. it has a tracklist but only the song names not the artists, so if anyone can fill in the gaps i would be quite happy! 1 - sex with strangers - 2 - jersey chica - 3 - dont you wanna? - (dj rasoul i think? i won this record but dont have a record player at the moment) 4 - cafe de flore - 5 - juno - 6 - ma foom bey - 7 - caught up - metro area 8 - epoch - 9 - get on up and dance - 10 - at night - shakedown ( i love this tune even though its cheesy) 11 - 24k - 12 - number one - 13 - acid soul - 14 - he not in - 15 - just cant get enough - (the old song from the 80s) 16 - night birds - 17 - house of jealous lovers - 18 - ride on the rhythm - ab --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/28/2003
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anyone can fill in the gaps i would be quite happy! 2 - jersey chica - - Morgan Geist - Moves (Environ 15) 6 - ma foom bey - Cultural Vibe (Easy Street, 1988 vars. mxs) 8 - epoch - - Morgan Geist - Moves (Environ 15) 15 - just cant get enough - Poss. Depeche Mode? 16 - night birds - Shakatakk (AGH!) 1982 17 - house of jealous lovers - DAF/Morgan Geist Remix 18 - ride on the rhythm - Sharron Redd (Beat Sreet, 86) k
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OK, I Only know a couple - but you know, every little bit and all that... 1 - sex with strangers - 2 - jersey chica - wasn't this MORGAN GEIST?? Not sure though... 3 - dont you wanna? - (dj rasoul i think? i won this record but dont have a record player at the moment) 4 - cafe de flore - HERBERT 5 - juno - 6 - ma foom bey - 7 - caught up - metro area 8 - epoch - 9 - get on up and dance - 10 - at night - shakedown ( i love this tune even though its cheesy) 11 - 24k - 12 - number one - PROBABLY PLAYGROUP? 13 - acid soul - 14 - he not in - 15 - just cant get enough - (the old song from the 80s)DEPECHE MODE 16 - night birds - 17 - house of jealous lovers - THE RAPTURE / MORGAN GEIST 18 - ride on the rhythm - MAHOGANY?? _ - End of message text This e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, print or rely on this e-mail. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England with registered number OC303525. The registered office of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP is 1 Embankment Place, London WC2N 6RH. All partners in PricewaterhouseCoopers UK Associates A are authorised to conduct business as agents of, and all contracts for services to clients are with, PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. Visit our website http://www.pwcglobal.com
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Between the twom of us Alex, we gettin there! I have one correction (my mistake): House of Jealous Lovers was by DFA/RAPTURE (not DAF as I said). Remixer is right though. The DJ really rinsed-out that Environ 15 though! k -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 10:00 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) ELECTRO HOUSE mix questions. OK, I Only know a couple - but you know, every little bit and all that... 1 - sex with strangers - 2 - jersey chica - wasn't this MORGAN GEIST?? Not sure though... 3 - dont you wanna? - (dj rasoul i think? i won this record but dont have a record player at the moment) 4 - cafe de flore - HERBERT 5 - juno - 6 - ma foom bey - 7 - caught up - metro area 8 - epoch - 9 - get on up and dance - 10 - at night - shakedown ( i love this tune even though its cheesy) 11 - 24k - 12 - number one - PROBABLY PLAYGROUP? 13 - acid soul - 14 - he not in - 15 - just cant get enough - (the old song from the 80s)DEPECHE MODE 16 - night birds - 17 - house of jealous lovers - THE RAPTURE / MORGAN GEIST 18 - ride on the rhythm - MAHOGANY?? _ - End of message text This e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, print or rely on this e-mail. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England with registered number OC303525. The registered office of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP is 1 Embankment Place, London WC2N 6RH. All partners in PricewaterhouseCoopers UK Associates A are authorised to conduct business as agents of, and all contracts for services to clients are with, PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. Visit our website http://www.pwcglobal.com
