Re: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile)
there isn't much crossover in the birthplace of hip hop in the south bronx/upper manhattan. when i'd go to the police athletics league gym on 118st and manhattan ave. any house, electro or techno cds i put on promptly got thrown off and replaced by hot 97 (bringing you blazin hip hop). i declined to dj at our block party because it was patently obvious that nobody was interested in hearing anything but hip hop (and the electric slide, of course). but block parties are a genre of their own. james I know plenty of current hip hop fans who are also massively into techno. Its certainly not true to say that hating techno is an ingrained part of the culture, as was suggested in the original post. Also, we need to be clear here on whether were talking about B-boys or Puff Daddy fans... Sean.
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Bit late in the day to throw in my 2 cents, but the way I understand it is this: Rave is a term rarely in use these days in the UK, and then it is usually just used as a verb, ie to go raving. Its use as a noun to describe the large-scale semi-legal/illegal outdoor events that occurred in the late 80s/early 90s has largely dropped out of use in England because these events don't really happen anymore (thanks to the Criminal Justice Bill), except as large corporate sponsored events. It was also used to describe the music played at some of these events, a sound that diversified into jungle and happy hardcore. I think many people also used it to describe the more commercial music that was coming out - tunes like Smart Es' Sesam-E Street and Prodigy's Charly (incidentally Mills dropped this in his recent set at The End in London). I think rave is now seen primarily as an embarrassing word that parents and authority figures use to decribe something that the kids get up to. Now that large scale raves are happening in the US, it seems that the word has had something of a renaissance, but only in the US. -Original Message- From: glyph1001 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:45 PM Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile) I will have to agree with robin here and I'm from the US. I read this article in an old DJ Magazine that talked about The Summer of Love and there was a part where someone would say (I'm paraphrasing here) you gonna rave? or have you raved yet? which meant taking a hit of e and going to a party and rave like mad. Indeed the Acid House and Rave are one of the same. \ I suggest doing some research at the mag's website. robin pinning wrote: The rave scene started over there, as their answer to our Hip-Hop scene. don't think that is truethe rave scene developed out of the northern soul scene (from what i've read)...original rave music was acid house (the other key ingredient to raves was the rapid take up of ecstacy at the same time) I don't agree that the Acid House Scene was the Rave Scene. I think it was definetly proto-rave, but I don't feel RAVE happened until after the Acid House Raids in 1989, and 1/2 the promoters went underground into the warehouses. That is when the culture grew, and it wasn't just a random occurence of club-rebellion. hmmm we'll agree to disagree... :) rave was defo happening around 88's summer of love (see the national newspaper headlines!!), this was quite a bit before hardcore happened which was 89/90 - Hence all the dancehall and street influences in the original Rave Music: Hardcore. that came later... nah, Hardcore started in 1987, with Lennie de Ice's We Are I.E., and the early SUAD releases. SUAD started in 1989 (i have a few of their releases, froma round the time) and i'm failry sure we are ie came out in 89 too (what a tune btw) cheers robin... Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile)
On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, James Bucknell wrote: there isn't much crossover in the birthplace of hip hop in the south bronx/upper manhattan. when i'd go to the police athletics league gym on 118st and manhattan ave. any house, electro or techno cds i put on promptly got thrown off and replaced by hot 97 (bringing you blazin hip hop). i declined to dj at our block party because it was patently obvious that nobody was interested in hearing anything but hip hop (and the electric slide, of course). but block parties are a genre of their own. james I don't know if I'd expect cross over there though. The Black east coast, for reasons I don't completely understand, has always looked to hiphop as its dance music of choice. Not house (exception perhaps being the hip-house craze), not techno. Much more diversity in spots like detroit and chicago, largely because they'd created musics of their own that were played alongside of hiphop. peace lks
RE: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile)
Really? I stand corrected. Clearly, I'm not as down with the kids as I thought I was! -Original Message- From: Nicole Slavin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 6:05 PM To: Robert Taylor; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile) I think rave is now seen primarily as an embarrassing word that parents and authority figures use to decribe something that the kids get up to. Nope, the kids i teach use it all the time to describe the parties they go to, which play music along the lines of pop/garage/rnb. Now that large scale raves are happening in the US, it seems that the word has had something of a renaissance, but only in the US. when i was in the US seemed to be pretty much used to describe anything with two or more people with a glowstick in tow. But then again, some US 313ers called me a raver for wearing coloured hairclips and bracelets! :) -Original Message- From: glyph1001 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:45 PM Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile) I will have to agree with robin here and I'm from the US. I read this article in an old DJ Magazine that talked about The Summer of Love and there was a part where someone would say (I'm paraphrasing here) you gonna rave? or have you raved yet? which meant taking a hit of e and going to a party and rave like mad. Indeed the Acid House and Rave are one of the same. \ I suggest doing some research at the mag's website. robin pinning wrote: The rave scene started over there, as their answer to our Hip-Hop scene. don't think that is truethe rave scene developed out of the northern soul scene (from what i've read)...original rave music was acid house (the other key ingredient to raves was the rapid take up of ecstacy at the same time) I don't agree that the Acid House Scene was the Rave Scene. I think it was definetly proto-rave, but I don't feel RAVE happened until after the Acid House Raids in 1989, and 1/2 the promoters went underground into the warehouses. That is when the culture grew, and it wasn't just a random occurence of club-rebellion. hmmm we'll agree to disagree... :) rave was defo happening around 88's summer of love (see the national newspaper headlines!!), this was quite a bit before hardcore happened which was 89/90 - Hence all the dancehall and street influences in the original Rave Music: Hardcore. that came later... nah, Hardcore started in 1987, with Lennie de Ice's We Are I.E., and the early SUAD releases. SUAD started in 1989 (i have a few of their releases, froma round the time) and i'm failry sure we are ie came out in 89 too (what a tune btw) cheers robin... Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile)
-Original Message- From: Nicole Slavin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org Date: 13 November 2002 18:04 Subject: Re: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile) I think rave is now seen primarily as an embarrassing word that parents and authority figures use to decribe something that the kids get up to. Nope, the kids i teach use it all the time to describe the parties they go to, which play music along the lines of pop/garage/rnb. Now that large scale raves are happening in the US, it seems that the word has had something of a renaissance, but only in the US. when i was in the US seemed to be pretty much used to describe anything with two or more people with a glowstick in tow. But then again, some US 313ers called me a raver for wearing coloured hairclips and bracelets! :) -Original Message- From: glyph1001 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:45 PM Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile) I will have to agree with robin here and I'm from the US. I read this article in an old DJ Magazine that talked about The Summer of Love and there was a part where someone would say (I'm paraphrasing here) you gonna rave? or have you raved yet? which meant taking a hit of e and going to a party and rave like mad. Indeed the Acid House and Rave are one of the same. \ I suggest doing some research at the mag's website. robin pinning wrote: The rave scene started over there, as their answer to our Hip-Hop scene. don't think that is truethe rave scene developed out of the northern soul scene (from what i've read)...original rave music was acid house (the other key ingredient to raves was the rapid take up of ecstacy at the same time) I don't agree that the Acid House Scene was the Rave Scene. I think it was definetly proto-rave, but I don't feel RAVE happened until after the Acid House Raids in 1989, and 1/2 the promoters went underground into the warehouses. That is when the culture grew, and it wasn't just a random occurence of club-rebellion. hmmm we'll agree to disagree... :) rave was defo happening around 88's summer of love (see the national newspaper headlines!!), this was quite a bit before hardcore happened which was 89/90 - Hence all the dancehall and street influences in the original Rave Music: Hardcore. that came later... nah, Hardcore started in 1987, with Lennie de Ice's We Are I.E., and the early SUAD releases. SUAD started in 1989 (i have a few of their releases, froma round the time) and i'm failry sure we are ie came out in 89 too (what a tune btw) cheers robin... Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile)
Myself and the large majority of my close friends that are into techno were originally goose jacket, Public Enemy patch, Levi 501, kangol and fat laced addidas wearing hip hop heads in our early teens, though I dont listen to that much these days I still dust off the old BDP, PE, Stetsasonic albums from time to time. I think a lot of Hip Hop heads in the UK got into the whole rave scene over here in the late eighties/early nineties as being into hip hop got socially quite boring. Apart from the odd concert, unless you lived in London there wasn't much to do other than hang around amusement arcades and get into trouble. The whole rave/house scene was a lot more inviting and a lot of people discovered techno through that. Dont know about the young hip hop heads these days, but I mean we were listening to Cybertron before we had even heard of Chuck D, so it wasn't really that much of a leap. Though I do remember seeing Public Enemy live around the time of Nation of Millions and hearing Chuck D pan acid house as total crap. Stewart - Original Message - From: Sean Creen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 1:48 PM Subject: RE: (313) 8-Mile You forget that most hip-hop headz hate techno, What are you basing that comment on? I'm not having a pop at you, its just that I've never found that to be the case at all! Sean. ___ Freeserve AnyTime, only £13.99 per month with one month's FREE trial! For more information visit http://www.freeserve.com/time/ or call free on 0800 970 8890
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11/12/2002 9:01:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think a lot of Hip Hop heads in the UK got into the whole rave scene over here in the late eighties/early nineties as being into hip hop got socially quite boring. Over here? The rave scene started over there, as their answer to our Hip-Hop scene. Hence all the dancehall and street influences in the original Rave Music: Hardcore. --- -Ian Entropy (bhpc, happy vibe rec, new sample revolution, n.e. hardcore, boston) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.djentropy.com Soulseek: djentropy AIM: DJEntropy WinMX: djentropy422
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hi entropy, 11/12/2002 9:01:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think a lot of Hip Hop heads in the UK got into the whole rave scene over here in the late eighties/early nineties as being into hip hop got socially quite boring. Over here? stewart's from here (UK)... The rave scene started over there, as their answer to our Hip-Hop scene. don't think that is truethe rave scene developed out of the northern soul scene (from what i've read)...original rave music was acid house (the other key ingredient to raves was the rapid take up of ecstacy at the same time) Hence all the dancehall and street influences in the original Rave Music: Hardcore. that came later... and yeah i was into hip-hop before properly getting into techno/house in a big way robin...
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11/12/2002 9:12:49 AM, robin pinning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi entropy, ello. :) The rave scene started over there, as their answer to our Hip-Hop scene. don't think that is truethe rave scene developed out of the northern soul scene (from what i've read)...original rave music was acid house (the other key ingredient to raves was the rapid take up of ecstacy at the same time) I don't agree that the Acid House Scene was the Rave Scene. I think it was definetly proto-rave, but I don't feel RAVE happened until after the Acid House Raids in 1989, and 1/2 the promoters went underground into the warehouses. That is when the culture grew, and it wasn't just a random occurence of club-rebellion. Hence all the dancehall and street influences in the original Rave Music: Hardcore. that came later... nah, Hardcore started in 1987, with Lennie de Ice's We Are I.E., and the early SUAD releases. --- -Ian Entropy (bhpc, happy vibe rec, new sample revolution, n.e. hardcore, boston) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.djentropy.com Soulseek: djentropy AIM: DJEntropy WinMX: djentropy422
Re: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile)
The rave scene started over there, as their answer to our Hip-Hop scene. don't think that is truethe rave scene developed out of the northern soul scene (from what i've read)...original rave music was acid house (the other key ingredient to raves was the rapid take up of ecstacy at the same time) I don't agree that the Acid House Scene was the Rave Scene. I think it was definetly proto-rave, but I don't feel RAVE happened until after the Acid House Raids in 1989, and 1/2 the promoters went underground into the warehouses. That is when the culture grew, and it wasn't just a random occurence of club-rebellion. hmmm we'll agree to disagree... :) rave was defo happening around 88's summer of love (see the national newspaper headlines!!), this was quite a bit before hardcore happened which was 89/90 - Hence all the dancehall and street influences in the original Rave Music: Hardcore. that came later... nah, Hardcore started in 1987, with Lennie de Ice's We Are I.E., and the early SUAD releases. SUAD started in 1989 (i have a few of their releases, froma round the time) and i'm failry sure we are ie came out in 89 too (what a tune btw) cheers robin...
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Hence all the dancehall and street influences in the original Rave Music: Hardcore. that came later... nah, Hardcore started in 1987, with Lennie de Ice's We Are I.E., and the early SUAD releases. Erm i am not interested in hardcore but Shut up and dance releasing records in 1987? kj -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. --
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11/12/2002 9:32:49 AM, Jongsma, K.J. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hence all the dancehall and street influences in the original Rave Music: Hardcore. that came later... nah, Hardcore started in 1987, with Lennie de Ice's We Are I.E., and the early SUAD releases. Erm i am not interested in hardcore but Shut up and dance releasing records in 1987? Yeah, I have SUAD1 and its from 87 or 88. --- -Ian Entropy (bhpc, happy vibe rec, new sample revolution, n.e. hardcore, boston) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.djentropy.com Soulseek: djentropy AIM: DJEntropy WinMX: djentropy422
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11/12/2002 9:31:55 AM, robin pinning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The rave scene started over there, as their answer to our Hip-Hop scene. don't think that is truethe rave scene developed out of the northern soul scene (from what i've read)...original rave music was acid house (the other key ingredient to raves was the rapid take up of ecstacy at the same time) I don't agree that the Acid House Scene was the Rave Scene. I think it was definetly proto-rave, but I don't feel RAVE happened until after the Acid House Raids in 1989, and 1/2 the promoters went underground into the warehouses. That is when the culture grew, and it wasn't just a random occurence of club-rebellion. hmmm we'll agree to disagree... :) rave was defo happening around 88's summer of love (see the national newspaper headlines!!), I don't disagree that it may have been a form of proto-rave, but I don't feel it is anywhere at all in the same boat as what we call Rave nowadays, especially in this country. The Acid House Scene to me is more of a neo-hippie, political stance against club culture, that was for anyone; Rave is more of an underground, elitist, apathetic-about-politics (until recently anyway), scene that is very cultural and tight, as oppossed to a free love kinda hippie-ish thing in the Acid House Scene. this was quite a bit before hardcore happened which was 89/90 - 1987 was We Are IE, which is generally considered to be the first Hardcore tune. Hence all the dancehall and street influences in the original Rave Music: Hardcore. that came later... nah, Hardcore started in 1987, with Lennie de Ice's We Are I.E., and the early SUAD releases. SUAD started in 1989 (i have a few of their releases, froma round the time) and i'm failry sure we are ie came out in 89 too (what a tune btw) I have SUAD1 and its 87 or 88. And We Are IE was on plate in 87, it didnt get pressed until 89, but was being played before that. --- -Ian Entropy (bhpc, happy vibe rec, new sample revolution, n.e. hardcore, boston) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.djentropy.com Soulseek: djentropy AIM: DJEntropy WinMX: djentropy422
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hmmm we'll agree to disagree... :) rave was defo happening around 88's summer of love (see the national newspaper headlines!!), I don't disagree that it may have been a form of proto-rave, but I don't feel it is anywhere at all in the same boat as what we call Rave nowadays, especially in this country. The Acid House Scene to me is more of a neo-hippie, political stance against club culture, that was for anyone; Rave is more of an underground, elitist, apathetic-about-politics (until recently anyway), scene that is very cultural and tight, as oppossed to a free love kinda hippie-ish thing in the Acid House Scene. aha, we differ in what we call Raveuk vs. us culture. fair enough... 1987 was We Are IE, which is generally considered to be the first Hardcore tune. i find that date hard to believei remember the tune coming out and being hammered on the sheffield (uk) pirate stations at the timei was in sheff from 89- you could be right tho SUAD started in 1989 (i have a few of their releases, froma round the time) and i'm failry sure we are ie came out in 89 too (what a tune btw) I have SUAD1 and its 87 or 88. And We Are IE was on plate in 87, it didnt get pressed until 89, but was being played before that. http://www.shutupanddance.co.uk cheers robin...
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I will have to agree with robin here and I'm from the US. I read this article in an old DJ Magazine that talked about The Summer of Love and there was a part where someone would say (I'm paraphrasing here) you gonna rave? or have you raved yet? which meant taking a hit of e and going to a party and rave like mad. Indeed the Acid House and Rave are one of the same. \ I suggest doing some research at the mag's website. robin pinning wrote: The rave scene started over there, as their answer to our Hip-Hop scene. don't think that is truethe rave scene developed out of the northern soul scene (from what i've read)...original rave music was acid house (the other key ingredient to raves was the rapid take up of ecstacy at the same time) I don't agree that the Acid House Scene was the Rave Scene. I think it was definetly proto-rave, but I don't feel RAVE happened until after the Acid House Raids in 1989, and 1/2 the promoters went underground into the warehouses. That is when the culture grew, and it wasn't just a random occurence of club-rebellion. hmmm we'll agree to disagree... :) rave was defo happening around 88's summer of love (see the national newspaper headlines!!), this was quite a bit before hardcore happened which was 89/90 - Hence all the dancehall and street influences in the original Rave Music: Hardcore. that came later... nah, Hardcore started in 1987, with Lennie de Ice's We Are I.E., and the early SUAD releases. SUAD started in 1989 (i have a few of their releases, froma round the time) and i'm failry sure we are ie came out in 89 too (what a tune btw) cheers robin...
Re: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile)
- Original Message - From: robin pinning [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: DJ Entropy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:01 PM Subject: Re: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile) aha, we differ in what we call Raveuk vs. us culture. fair enough... Yeah. Pump Up the Volume 3 covers this all pretty well I think. Time to fire it back up? :) Re: Cyclone and Stewart's comments about hip hop as an entry point, I think it's safe to say that techno has a number of different 'gateway' styles, from hip hop to industrial to trance or whatever you may be exposed to that gets you into the beat, since most people don't hear techno right outta pop music. While I can see that many techno converts have come from a hip hop background, I'd be inclined to side with Cyclone that especially today, it's not terribly in-favor in the hip hop world. Even in the past this is true. The hip hop scene is just so much bigger than the electronic music scene (at least in the states, which is kind of what this discussion was about) that if a few people 'convert' to techno it doesn't mean much about the mass attitude towards techno in the hip hop scene. Also, I think you'll find more people who are into techno that like hip hop than vice versa. You could probably even say that more white hip hop fans come to techno than other ethnicities. Whatever, my point was that hip hop culture *can* be pretty exclusive, and it's just as inane there as here... Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Mix in mp3, 'Live in Iowa City' available for a short time from http://phonopsia.isoprax.com
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While I can see that many techno converts have come from a hip hop background, I'd be inclined to side with Cyclone that especially today, it's not terribly in-favor in the hip hop world. Even in the past this is true. I know plenty of current hip hop fans who are also massively into techno. Its certainly not true to say that hating techno is an ingrained part of the culture, as was suggested in the original post. Also, we need to be clear here on whether were talking about B-boys or Puff Daddy fans... Sean.
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i like hiphop :) check the last jazzy jeff album personally prefered above the last slum village album i know several hiphop heads, and many of them are pretty into the breaky side of techno - shake, carl craig, etc. At 12-11-2002 + 16:22, you wrote: While I can see that many techno converts have come from a hip hop background, I'd be inclined to side with Cyclone that especially today, it's not terribly in-favor in the hip hop world. Even in the past this is true. I know plenty of current hip hop fans who are also massively into techno. Its certainly not true to say that hating techno is an ingrained part of the culture, as was suggested in the original post. Also, we need to be clear here on whether were talking about B-boys or Puff Daddy fans... Sean.
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Count me in on that category. I can't really stand puffy and his camp (G-Dep and Craig Mack being the lone exceptions... sometimes). I'd rather listen to 7L and Esoteric, Cannibal Ox, Souls of Mischief, or Rasco than Nore, Cam'ron, Eve, etc... But I still love techno. -Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:05 PM To: 313 Detroit Subject: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile) Well I have been covering hip-hop in the media for most of the 90s 'til now and I would disagree! I know what hip-hop headz (I mean headz) can be like! Your purist underground hip-hop head usually does have an adversion to techno. As far as 'electronica' they may - may- accept drum 'n' bass. Of course hip-hop pioneers were originally very open to all styles, but, as with any style, over time it produces 'purists'. The same purists probably decry RB samples and think P Diddy/Puff Daddy is the enemy. They have a musical 'ideal' and anything that veers away from that is somehow invalid. I know plenty of current hip hop fans who are also massively into techno. Its certainly not true to say that hating techno is an ingrained part of the culture, as was suggested in the original post. Also, we need to be clear here on whether were talking about B-boys or Puff Daddy fans... Sean.
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- Original Message - From: Sean Creen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; DJ Entropy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:22 PM Subject: RE: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile) While I can see that many techno converts have come from a hip hop background, I'd be inclined to side with Cyclone that especially today, it's not terribly in-favor in the hip hop world. Even in the past this is true. I know plenty of current hip hop fans who are also massively into techno. Its certainly not true to say that hating techno is an ingrained part of the culture, as was suggested in the original post. Also, we need to be clear here on whether were talking about B-boys or Puff Daddy fans... I don't know. I've always seen the world of underground hip hop as being pretty receptive to incorporating or listening to other styles, but what percentage of the hip hop world is listenening to or participating in underground hip hop? I don't mean De La Soul, but the band that presses 1000 copies of their own record. If this was the culture Eminem came from, it's not the culture he helps define today. So yeah, I'm seeing mainstrem hip hop (which doesn't need to be defined by Puff Daddy) this way, but it's just a generalization. I know many exceptions, but I think the rule holds true. Hip hop is a big world. Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Mix in mp3, 'Live in Iowa City' available for a short time from http://phonopsia.isoprax.com
Re: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile)
two words: ninja tunes On 11/12/02 12:33 PM, Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Sean Creen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; DJ Entropy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:22 PM Subject: RE: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile) While I can see that many techno converts have come from a hip hop background, I'd be inclined to side with Cyclone that especially today, it's not terribly in-favor in the hip hop world. Even in the past this is true. I know plenty of current hip hop fans who are also massively into techno. Its certainly not true to say that hating techno is an ingrained part of the culture, as was suggested in the original post. Also, we need to be clear here on whether were talking about B-boys or Puff Daddy fans... I don't know. I've always seen the world of underground hip hop as being pretty receptive to incorporating or listening to other styles, but what percentage of the hip hop world is listenening to or participating in underground hip hop? I don't mean De La Soul, but the band that presses 1000 copies of their own record. If this was the culture Eminem came from, it's not the culture he helps define today. So yeah, I'm seeing mainstrem hip hop (which doesn't need to be defined by Puff Daddy) this way, but it's just a generalization. I know many exceptions, but I think the rule holds true. Hip hop is a big world. Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Mix in mp3, 'Live in Iowa City' available for a short time from http://phonopsia.isoprax.com
Re: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile)
also finkstroung r somewhere between hip hop and techno - Original Message - From: jonathan morse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sean Creen [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; DJ Entropy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:35 PM Subject: Re: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile) two words: ninja tunes On 11/12/02 12:33 PM, Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Sean Creen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; DJ Entropy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:22 PM Subject: RE: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile) While I can see that many techno converts have come from a hip hop background, I'd be inclined to side with Cyclone that especially today, it's not terribly in-favor in the hip hop world. Even in the past this is true. I know plenty of current hip hop fans who are also massively into techno. Its certainly not true to say that hating techno is an ingrained part of the culture, as was suggested in the original post. Also, we need to be clear here on whether were talking about B-boys or Puff Daddy fans... I don't know. I've always seen the world of underground hip hop as being pretty receptive to incorporating or listening to other styles, but what percentage of the hip hop world is listenening to or participating in underground hip hop? I don't mean De La Soul, but the band that presses 1000 copies of their own record. If this was the culture Eminem came from, it's not the culture he helps define today. So yeah, I'm seeing mainstrem hip hop (which doesn't need to be defined by Puff Daddy) this way, but it's just a generalization. I know many exceptions, but I think the rule holds true. Hip hop is a big world. Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Mix in mp3, 'Live in Iowa City' available for a short time from http://phonopsia.isoprax.com
Re: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile)
prefuse 73 is - Original Message - From: jonathan morse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sean Creen [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; DJ Entropy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 1:35 PM Subject: Re: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile) two words: ninja tunes On 11/12/02 12:33 PM, Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Sean Creen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; DJ Entropy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:22 PM Subject: RE: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile) While I can see that many techno converts have come from a hip hop background, I'd be inclined to side with Cyclone that especially today, it's not terribly in-favor in the hip hop world. Even in the past this is true. I know plenty of current hip hop fans who are also massively into techno. Its certainly not true to say that hating techno is an ingrained part of the culture, as was suggested in the original post. Also, we need to be clear here on whether were talking about B-boys or Puff Daddy fans... I don't know. I've always seen the world of underground hip hop as being pretty receptive to incorporating or listening to other styles, but what percentage of the hip hop world is listenening to or participating in underground hip hop? I don't mean De La Soul, but the band that presses 1000 copies of their own record. If this was the culture Eminem came from, it's not the culture he helps define today. So yeah, I'm seeing mainstrem hip hop (which doesn't need to be defined by Puff Daddy) this way, but it's just a generalization. I know many exceptions, but I think the rule holds true. Hip hop is a big world. Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Mix in mp3, 'Live in Iowa City' available for a short time from http://phonopsia.isoprax.com
Re: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile)
also finkstroung r somewhere between hip hop and techno ooh, while were talking of fusions of hip hop and electronic music, may I recommend the new machine drum album urban biology and the new morris nightingale vs. kristuit salu album my mines i. Both on the miami label merck ( http://www.m3rck.net/ ). Machine drum is playing live at the warp x-mas pool party at aquarium on 20/12 in london too. Smallfish have stocks of the new album I think. IMHO much more soulful than prefuse and funkstorung. also the new prefuse 73 / mos def 12 is rather good. . [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile)
Also Techno Animal, and I also found stuff lik Dynamo, Arovane... to be hip-hopish. Jerne www.soundoflj.com/octex -Original Message- From: moog [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 7:40 PM To: jonathan morse; Tristan Watkins; Sean Creen; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; DJ Entropy Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile) also finkstroung r somewhere between hip hop and techno - Original Message - From: jonathan morse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sean Creen [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; DJ Entropy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:35 PM Subject: Re: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile) two words: ninja tunes On 11/12/02 12:33 PM, Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Sean Creen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; DJ Entropy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:22 PM Subject: RE: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile) While I can see that many techno converts have come from a hip hop background, I'd be inclined to side with Cyclone that especially today, it's not terribly in-favor in the hip hop world. Even in the past this is true. I know plenty of current hip hop fans who are also massively into techno. Its certainly not true to say that hating techno is an ingrained part of the culture, as was suggested in the original post. Also, we need to be clear here on whether were talking about B-boys or Puff Daddy fans... I don't know. I've always seen the world of underground hip hop as being pretty receptive to incorporating or listening to other styles, but what percentage of the hip hop world is listenening to or participating in underground hip hop? I don't mean De La Soul, but the band that presses 1000 copies of their own record. If this was the culture Eminem came from, it's not the culture he helps define today. So yeah, I'm seeing mainstrem hip hop (which doesn't need to be defined by Puff Daddy) this way, but it's just a generalization. I know many exceptions, but I think the rule holds true. Hip hop is a big world. Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Mix in mp3, 'Live in Iowa City' available for a short time from http://phonopsia.isoprax.com
Re: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile)
11/12/2002 10:01:17 AM, robin pinning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't disagree that it may have been a form of proto-rave, but I don't feel it is anywhere at all in the same boat as what we call Rave nowadays, especially in this country. The Acid House Scene to me is more of a neo-hippie, political stance against club culture, that was for anyone; Rave is more of an underground, elitist, apathetic-about-politics (until recently anyway), scene that is very cultural and tight, as oppossed to a free love kinda hippie-ish thing in the Acid House Scene. aha, we differ in what we call Raveuk vs. us culture. fair enough... To me, I just feel that Rave was formed after the raids when promoters went underground, regardless of whether people were saying let's rave before that, simply because I don't feel that Rave had a distinct CULTURAL until that point. It's just the overall feeling I get from reading about/learning about the 88 acid house scene, and how concert-y it was, as oppossed to warehouse raves which had this mystical culture around them. 1987 was We Are IE, which is generally considered to be the first Hardcore tune. i find that date hard to believei remember the tune coming out and being hammered on the sheffield (uk) pirate stations at the timei was in sheff from 89- you could be right tho I could be wrong, but I am an old skool hardcore DJ, and that is what I've been told by a number of people in the old skool uk scene. SUAD started in 1989 (i have a few of their releases, froma round the time) and i'm failry sure we are ie came out in 89 too (what a tune btw) I have SUAD1 and its 87 or 88. And We Are IE was on plate in 87, it didnt get pressed until 89, but was being played before that. http://www.shutupanddance.co.uk Ahhh, well, I stand corrected here. Thansk for the info, I didnt even think to check their site. :) --- -Ian Entropy (bhpc, happy vibe rec, new sample revolution, n.e. hardcore, boston) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.djentropy.com Soulseek: djentropy AIM: DJEntropy WinMX: djentropy422
Re: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile)
slow chopped up beats pitched down phuture like vocals is popular in the hood where I live. it's like the opposite of Detroit booty bass. http://www.slumpsouth.com
Re: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile)
I like the sound of that pitched down TR-808 http://www.slumpsouth.com/emcees/md.htm
