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hahaha thank you dave! andy, you can like it and i wont think less of you! :) many (deaf!! :P) really good friends on here dig amp a lot too. i'm not consciously comparing it to anything. music stands on its own and so do opinions. my ears hear what they hear. it has elements of jazz, house, soul/rb, etc etc. a great combination it would seem, which is why i am/was interested. but it comes out terribly disappointing and uninspired and overly familiar _to my ears_. your mileage may vary and all that. it IS generic sounding _to me_ -- even if the combination of genres seems to defy that, the sounds themselves dont. somehow, my brain tells my ears i have heard it before -- even if the different sounds were never together in quite the same way before, i still recognize them and dont like them, on their own, together, either way. and in any case, if it was a generic record of sounds i liked...but i just plain dont like the sounds or vocals. coming at it as a jazz record or an rb record or a house record does not change how it sounds or how i hear it. if i tried to hear it as whatever unique new hybrid genre it may be i'd still hear the same thing. it does not have that much character, to me. nothing you're saying makes it sound any better, to me. enough people have already given amp props that i dont think you need to defend your opinion...but i am a potential fan of this music for stated reasons, and i was wayyy disappointed. enough said!! jt Yeah, I agree completely with JT's comments, as a long time jazz player and fan I notice that some of the jazzier things seem more hype to others on this list than to myself, and I think maybe it's because my background and jazz makes me a little harder to impress with releases that go in that directions. It's so easy to sound like noodly lounge music in this genre!!! Haven't heard the new amp fiddler record so I can't comment on that specifically. But, well I'll just keep my opinion on his cover of Too High to myself. ;) --Dave -Original Message- From: J. T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 3:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) amp fiddler lovewar i just dont know what to say about this description of love and war. IMO nothing is generic about anything about it. perhaps the old quote he used in the lyrics is a little familiar, but i think that was the point. what lyrics?? i heard lovv and some scatting..?? quote? guess i need to listen again...? but i just dont even like his voice or his delivery..syruppy, too smooth not enough real feeling..to my ears! it's a subtle thing. i really dont see how any of this music is generic. but you know amp fiddler plays keys on at least one and probably more tracks on that album. if its fresh to you then great. not generic? well, i have heard thousands and thousands of jazz records. i sell them for a living. so maybe it's unfortunate but i dont hear anything but limp playing/ideas, heard it 1000 times before kinda stuff, as far as the jazz elements go. as far as his voice i hear a alot of rb classic vocalists distilled into something generic. its not amps fault his voice sounds the way it does but it doesnt grab me at all. i gotta say i am not very enthusiastic about the jazzy kdj stuff either, but usually it comes together better, progresses, etc etc so that it doesnt bug me and hits me better. it's a subtle thing. sometimes playing/singing this kind of cheese gets by with me, other times it makes me cringe and run to pick up the needle.. box, the amp dog knights, the detroit experiment LP with amp on a lot of the jazz on detroit experiment falls flat as well imo! sorry. i know at least a few people on here who are into jazz agree with me.. i much prefer russ gabriel's recent stuff. if he hooked up with a nice rb vocalist i think it could be in the same area as amp but blow him out of the water. if i wasnt extremely disappointed with it i wouldnt have said anything... jt _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
RE: (313) amp fiddler lovewar
I didn't mean his comments specific to the record, but he ended with some general comments on his perspective as someone really versed in jazz. Detroit Experiment I was really only feeling a couple tracks, it seemed pretty cut and dried, like stuff that has already been done better by Herbie Hancock in the 70s which is a real pinnacle of music for me. Herbie is sick! I don't mean to knock the talent of any of those musicians on the Detroit Experiment btw, it is just an opinion. A song like Too High though which Amp Fiddler remade, well I wasn't feeling his voice and you better be damn fresh if you are going to remake a Stevie song. I wish they would have had Stevie sing on a remake of his song, now THAT would have got me excited! /dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 6:01 PM To: David Powers Cc: 'J. T.'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) amp fiddler lovewar Quoting David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yeah, I agree completely with JT's comments, as a long time jazz player and fan I notice that some of the jazzier things seem more hype to others on this list than to myself, and I think maybe it's because my background and jazz makes me a little harder to impress with releases that go in that directions. It's so easy to sound like noodly lounge music in this genre!!! Haven't heard the new amp fiddler record so I can't comment on that specifically. But, well I'll just keep my opinion on his cover of Too High to myself. ;) --Dave How can you completley agree with JTs comments when he spent most of the post picking apart a record you havent listend to yet? Its easy to shrug ones shoulders and say there will always be generic music within any given genre, but to make or support a critical agrument about an album you havent heard yet is a bit presumptuous, wouldnt you say? Anyway... Is there Anyone else anxiously awaiting the new John Digweed epic trance remix of Eye to Eye? Talk about a superstar DJ with the ability to smash through genre borders with uncontested skill and dedication to the craft! -J
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-- Original Message -- From: J. T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] andy, you can like it and i wont think less of you! :) this is the second time recently that someone on this list has called me andy. whats up with that? my name is clearly tom (or thomas, depending on which parts of my email you look at). my friend is the andythepooh.com cat, i just like the free good webmail service. : P tom andythepooh.com
RE: (313) amp fiddler lovewar
-- Original Message -- From: Matthew MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED] I also know very little about jazz compared to most, so maybe I don't have the same distaste as a more typical jazz head might. i think being too involved emotionally with any given style of music creates a distaste for certain sounds. when i was really into drum and bass, the left field style drum and bass didnt really appeal to me at all. neither did the second reprazent LP. now that im emotionally detatched from that, it seems what i can tolerate within that genre is much more varied. thats why i make no pledges of allegiance to any genres now, i just like it funky : ) I like Freakin, reminds me of a cut you'd hear coming out of someone's trunk at a BBQ in the summer, recalls a Fatback or SOS Band vibe almost. yeah, i really like that track alot as well. PS - I love Detroit Experiment as one of the whole greater than the sum of the parts thing, each track is a little different and the crazy influences do come out individually AND collectively (to me). Midnight at Twenty Grand!! thats what im saying. Speaking of... Now I gotta go drive to Dusty Groove and pick up the new Dwele LP: ive been rocking that when i was working in the local hiphop record shop, its a nice album, good summertime music. tom andythepooh.com
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Detroit Experiment I was really only feeling a couple tracks, it seemed pretty cut and dried, like stuff that has already been done better by Herbie Hancock in the 70s which is a real pinnacle of music for me. Herbie is sick! I am telling you Midnight at Twenty Grand is the cut!! Such a moody detroity soundtrack, I can imagine driving into the city to that one, or looking out a rooftop across the city on a warm night outside. BTW - Totally agree about Herbie... not trying to take anything away from him. But as a proponent of future music (esp. of the detroit flavor) I can't just sit back and say well that sound has been done better 30 years ago by someone else so why bother. I want people to keep pushing, I want to hear someone who'll in 30 more years have blown Herbie away... hey I know it's far fetched but you know what I mean. Once you have the Herbie moments on vinyl you need, there's plenty of places and trajectories he's launched forward... I want to seek out where those seeds landed and who is taking it forward... on the electronic tip especially. Ayro seems promising... So you jazz fans, how about the top 3-5 must have Herbie Hancock LPs or moments ? Commentary encouraged. Peace, Matt MacQueen
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hahaha ok matt one last reply then.. to. It's funny you use jazz as a reference cause that's the last thing I would have likened it too. I like the songwriting. I would classify it as 'rb' or 'soul' before I would think of it as jazz, but wherever me too!! its just the jazz elements that irritate me the most, followed closely by the too-smooth rb elements...my comments on the jazziness were really msiunderstood i think...talk good me not do I also think when you take a mouthful of something and spit it out immediately (judging from your reaction that seemed to be the case?) You nahh i've had a lot of other amp stuff in digital for awhile, but just title tracks, thought i'd give a whole record a try... might have written it off wholesale without looking a little further. I like Freakin, reminds me of a cut you'd hear coming out of someone's trunk at a BBQ in the summer, recalls a Fatback or SOS Band vibe almost. haha yeah freakin would definitely be my favorite one...not saying much tho..its not that i think any of its so terrible, just does nada for me...and i guess i was just very disappointed after all my friends have been sayin such good stuff and seem to dig it so much.. I like the lyrics to love and war... didn't hear any scat myself. haha did i just have the volume too low?? was i trippin?? i'll definitely have to listen again aghh The keys playing I find interesting, moreso than the rhythms... the piano keys in 'love and war' I think are great and moody. Did you yuck! too nice, but this is a very subtle thing to me...he could make another song with similar keys and i'd like them. i still wouldnt think it was much special tho... listen to the electronic synth parts in freakin' ? Crazy analogue sounds and squiggles and synth farts, etc. It's just a fresh little summer jammy jam, I don't see anything generic in it.. the solo is nuts! nahhh...generic is being harsh i guess, but it all does really remind me of other things, and in any case, not doing it for me...i do like this kinda stuff, but not THIS stuff...i'm really not looking for an entirely different approach or anything at allit's just..so close, but so far..to me...y'know? has a lot of talent on the keys and I like the sound of his voice myself definitely very talented, and great voice -- just not for me, and awfully familiar on both counts there, to my ears...seriously, blame it on all the cheesey rb i listen to. it dominates the radio down here y'know -- if its not country, it's slowjams and rb. couple that with the fact i sell lame jazz records by the crate...my ears have been tainted :P i like crazier sh*t..more unique if i gotta put it that way but maybe that isnt fair The beats I think could be better compared to other elements of his productions, but we'll see what happens in the future... Maybe Amp just needs some $tinkworx beats to liven it up!! hahaha n dont say that!! i was disappointed by the beats because i like them when they start but then...they go nowhere...drop those sticks out for awhile in lovewar or something! or drop out everything but the sticks..i love em but damn..i got annoyed after a few measures... i really did want to like this stuff y'know..i dunno maybe it was all just too built up before i heard it...cant see ever loving it but maybe i should relax my expectations some... hope i wasnt too hard on ya either andy, probably, sorry man! thanks for trying to open my ears some.. PS - I love Detroit Experiment as one of the whole greater than the sum of the parts thing, each track is a little different and the crazy influences do come out individually AND collectively (to me). Midnight at Twenty Grand!! yeah, again dont get me wrong -- i actually like this album too, tho at the same time i end up a little disappointed with most songs individually, they bug me at some point...but i really enjoy listening to it and yeah it works really well as a whole..i bought it for both my parents even (they hip y'know :P) It seems to be the trendy thing now with a lot of techno heads to dislike where Carl is going on the jazz collective tip and I'm not havin it... music needs to expand, the detroit sound is way to wide to stay pegged in a single genre. I'm glad people are going for it. i dont mind the direction a bit! i think it'll get better and better... PS - Speaking of... Now I gotta go drive to Dusty Groove and pick up the new Dwele LP: yeah i saw rolling stone kinda slammed it, 1 or 2 stars or something, but i love their stuff. se? its not that amp isnt my kinda thing, its just something subtle about it that makes..not doing it for me...i might really be digging some future stuff tho... i mean i call it generic, but so much music is these days, including a lot of music i love...new gangstarr is basically generic primo hiphop, but i dig it...i dont mean to be insulting when i say crap like that... jt
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I really love Amp Fiddler because of the RB feel, I'm surprised you don't like it, but hey! ;) He's really won over the DJs here. I love his song with Only Child, U Got Vibes. Is Amp's album as Mr Fiddler, With Respect, on Elektra circa 1990 still available in the US? Isn't JT Justin Timberlake's 'hip-hop' nickname? Just playin'! ;) -- From: J. T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) amp fiddler lovewar Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 9:34 AM hahaha ok matt one last reply then.. to. It's funny you use jazz as a reference cause that's the last thing I would have likened it too. I like the songwriting. I would classify it as 'rb' or 'soul' before I would think of it as jazz, but wherever me too!! its just the jazz elements that irritate me the most, followed closely by the too-smooth rb elements...my comments on the jazziness were really msiunderstood i think...talk good me not do I also think when you take a mouthful of something and spit it out immediately (judging from your reaction that seemed to be the case?) You nahh i've had a lot of other amp stuff in digital for awhile, but just title tracks, thought i'd give a whole record a try... might have written it off wholesale without looking a little further. I like Freakin, reminds me of a cut you'd hear coming out of someone's trunk at a BBQ in the summer, recalls a Fatback or SOS Band vibe almost. haha yeah freakin would definitely be my favorite one...not saying much tho..its not that i think any of its so terrible, just does nada for me...and i guess i was just very disappointed after all my friends have been sayin such good stuff and seem to dig it so much.. I like the lyrics to love and war... didn't hear any scat myself. haha did i just have the volume too low?? was i trippin?? i'll definitely have to listen again aghh The keys playing I find interesting, moreso than the rhythms... the piano keys in 'love and war' I think are great and moody. Did you yuck! too nice, but this is a very subtle thing to me...he could make another song with similar keys and i'd like them. i still wouldnt think it was much special tho... listen to the electronic synth parts in freakin' ? Crazy analogue sounds and squiggles and synth farts, etc. It's just a fresh little summer jammy jam, I don't see anything generic in it.. the solo is nuts! nahhh...generic is being harsh i guess, but it all does really remind me of other things, and in any case, not doing it for me...i do like this kinda stuff, but not THIS stuff...i'm really not looking for an entirely different approach or anything at allit's just..so close, but so far..to me...y'know? has a lot of talent on the keys and I like the sound of his voice myself definitely very talented, and great voice -- just not for me, and awfully familiar on both counts there, to my ears...seriously, blame it on all the cheesey rb i listen to. it dominates the radio down here y'know -- if its not country, it's slowjams and rb. couple that with the fact i sell lame jazz records by the crate...my ears have been tainted :P i like crazier sh*t..more unique if i gotta put it that way but maybe that isnt fair The beats I think could be better compared to other elements of his productions, but we'll see what happens in the future... Maybe Amp just needs some $tinkworx beats to liven it up!! hahaha n dont say that!! i was disappointed by the beats because i like them when they start but then...they go nowhere...drop those sticks out for awhile in lovewar or something! or drop out everything but the sticks..i love em but damn..i got annoyed after a few measures... i really did want to like this stuff y'know..i dunno maybe it was all just too built up before i heard it...cant see ever loving it but maybe i should relax my expectations some... hope i wasnt too hard on ya either andy, probably, sorry man! thanks for trying to open my ears some.. PS - I love Detroit Experiment as one of the whole greater than the sum of the parts thing, each track is a little different and the crazy influences do come out individually AND collectively (to me). Midnight at Twenty Grand!! yeah, again dont get me wrong -- i actually like this album too, tho at the same time i end up a little disappointed with most songs individually, they bug me at some point...but i really enjoy listening to it and yeah it works really well as a whole..i bought it for both my parents even (they hip y'know :P) It seems to be the trendy thing now with a lot of techno heads to dislike where Carl is going on the jazz collective tip and I'm not havin it... music needs to expand, the detroit sound is way to wide to stay pegged in a single genre. I'm glad people are going for it. i dont mind the direction a bit! i think it'll get better and better... PS - Speaking of... Now I gotta go drive to Dusty Groove and pick up the new Dwele LP: yeah i saw rolling stone
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I love his song with Only Child, U Got Vibes. i actually got this in mp3 and dig it too, couldnt figure out when it was from? i think i have some from that album too, but i didnt like most of em much...i dunno, maybe its just amp's voice that turns me off the most...either ya like it or ya dont, nothing to do with being good or not...y'know? and i like similar sounding vocalists, go figure... but minto knows my taste pretty damn good and says i'd dig the first amp a lot more, oh well... Isn't JT Justin Timberlake's 'hip-hop' nickname? Just playin'! ;) yeah thats me! i just got off my ab-roller, techno ladies hit me up with some emails ;) jt _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
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I love his song with Only Child, U Got Vibes. i actually got this in mp3 and dig it too, couldnt figure out when it was from? i think i have some from that album too, but i didnt like most of em much...i dunno, maybe its just amp's voice that turns me off the most...either ya like it or ya dont, nothing to do with being good or not...y'know? and i like similar sounding vocalists, go figure... It's from Only Child's new album Solitaire on Grand Central. Isn't JT Justin Timberlake's 'hip-hop' nickname? Just playin'! ;) yeah thats me! i just got off my ab-roller, techno ladies hit me up with some emails ;) Ha, ha, sprung bad... I don't think he's sexy at all. The others can have him. This is one cat fight I'm staying out of. ;)
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I'm stunned. I really can't believe anyone doesn't love this record. When I played it for my friend Ben, who doesn't really pay attention to anything electronic and is generally uninterested in it, I had to rip the headphones off his head. When I played it out a couple of weeks ago, one of my friends who fiercely hates vocals in house was cheering me on. It's useless for me to reiterate Tom (Andy ;)'s points, b/c I think he's said it all perfectly, but Dave, please give this a listen, b/c I wouldn't characterize anything about it as jazzy in anything more than the vaguest sense. It is pure funk. The keys that come in 1/2-way through are gorgeous. Perhaps they're simple, but they are as effective as anything Moodymann has ever done on his own and then some. The precise moment that they enter confirms the perfect arrangement of this record. I have heard it at least 50 times now, and every time that his keys come in I get a tingle in my spine. It does it for me in every way. J.T., we're really butting heads recently, aren't we. ;) Oh, and his live set was bar-none the best moment of the festival for me. Nothing else was even close - other than maybe Traxx @ Cannonball. Tristan === Text/Mixes: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(313) The message in Herbie's LPs (was Re: (313) amp fiddler lovewar)
On 7/6/03 7:28 PM, Matthew MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you jazz fans, how about the top 3-5 must have Herbie Hancock LPs or moments ? Commentary encouraged. Maiden Voyage is a standout LP and track. Sublime mid 60s jazz exploration. The classic Dolphin Dance bookends the album. Head Hunters is the next must have. So completely influenced by 60s soul, and so influential on 70s funk and jazz. You know the bassline for Chameleon by heart even if you don't recognize the title. Trippy synth solos abound. I heard Sunlight on a Shake or CC mix and had to track down the 1977 release. Commercial, mildly funky, and so loaded with antique gear it'll make your head spin. Warning: vocoder in FULL effect. Most people point to Rockit from Future Shock next. An electro classic that's flat-out over-exposed right now. I haven't really listened to his last two releases enough to find favorite moments. That doesn't mean they aren't lurking in there. -- im P.S. Get a hold of Sound-System just to hear People are Changing. It's a cover of a brilliantly funky Timmy Thomas song.
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IMHO Sextant is Herbie Hancock's best work although the LPs you mention are all excellent. On Sunday, Jul 6, 2003, at 21:57 America/Detroit, Ian wrote: On 7/6/03 7:28 PM, Matthew MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you jazz fans, how about the top 3-5 must have Herbie Hancock LPs or moments ? Commentary encouraged. Maiden Voyage is a standout LP and track. Sublime mid 60s jazz exploration. The classic Dolphin Dance bookends the album. Head Hunters is the next must have. So completely influenced by 60s soul, and so influential on 70s funk and jazz. You know the bassline for Chameleon by heart even if you don't recognize the title. Trippy synth solos abound. I heard Sunlight on a Shake or CC mix and had to track down the 1977 release. Commercial, mildly funky, and so loaded with antique gear it'll make your head spin. Warning: vocoder in FULL effect. Most people point to Rockit from Future Shock next. An electro classic that's flat-out over-exposed right now. I haven't really listened to his last two releases enough to find favorite moments. That doesn't mean they aren't lurking in there. -- im P.S. Get a hold of Sound-System just to hear People are Changing. It's a cover of a brilliantly funky Timmy Thomas song.
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I'm stunned. I really can't believe anyone doesn't love this record. When I alright, ok, i'm an idiot then! :P i listened to it again and gave it more of a chance...i must admit the lyrics are decent, dunno why i didnt notice them the first time, nice message yeah. i guess i only heard the things i didnt like -- the smoky horns, the very nice/typical keys (sorry, its just a scale! nicely played but too nice! loungey..spine tingling?? ookkk :P), and the vocal delivery in general (btw there are bits of scatting in there matt, not much but a little) to say its not jazzy is to ignore the smoky horns and loungey keys and scatty bits, but i agree lovewar isnt really very jazzy overall, or housey, or even that rb tho, its more like old soul because of the vocals...i really wanna like it, and now after being treated like a moron for not liking it, i almost cant help it :P it's very good but it just dont do much for me, even now that i feel stupid about it. the parts i dont like go a long ways towards turning me off to the whole thing. i dont like that loungey leaning sound (like dave mentioned..) and it's very _nice_ stuff -- there's no twist...too damn nice! i do like the dub better, didnt even listen to it the first time i played the record. the beat does drop to just sticks and has a lot more happening, nice snares etc etc. alright. i'll hold onto it a little while maybe it'll grow on me. i still just aint feeling amp's vocals either tho. very much like old soul but without any rough edges and sounding a bit overcooked...imo! t smooth and smoky. i bet he was great live without the studio smoothness. the record is all close but no cigar to me...i do like it more now that i hear what the lyrics are saying tho. i'll review some other stuff i really do like soon. so far out of an order of 30 records this is the only thing i'm not very happy with. jt _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
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My favourites: Empyrean Isles is far better than Maiden Voyage. The Prisoner Speak Like A Child are gorgeous, layered post bop lps. The Japanese only Dedication for the fantastic solo Nobu - and of the later electronic ones, my pick would be Sextant. Though all of Sextant, Mwandishi and Crossings are essential. I prefer this stuff to Headhunters and later. Saying that, most later albums have some track that makes it all worthwhile. If you can track them down, pick up the 12s of Stars In Your Eyes (promo for the extended mix) and Magic Number. There was a really tedious South Bank show (UK ITV) on Herbie Hancock last week. It didn't encourage me to run and grab his recent stuff. Jonny - Original Message - From: Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Matthew MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Music Institute 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 2:57 AM Subject: (313) The message in Herbie's LPs (was Re: (313) amp fiddler lovewar) On 7/6/03 7:28 PM, Matthew MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you jazz fans, how about the top 3-5 must have Herbie Hancock LPs or moments ? Commentary encouraged. Maiden Voyage is a standout LP and track. Sublime mid 60s jazz exploration. The classic Dolphin Dance bookends the album. Head Hunters is the next must have. So completely influenced by 60s soul, and so influential on 70s funk and jazz. You know the bassline for Chameleon by heart even if you don't recognize the title. Trippy synth solos abound. I heard Sunlight on a Shake or CC mix and had to track down the 1977 release. Commercial, mildly funky, and so loaded with antique gear it'll make your head spin. Warning: vocoder in FULL effect. Most people point to Rockit from Future Shock next. An electro classic that's flat-out over-exposed right now. I haven't really listened to his last two releases enough to find favorite moments. That doesn't mean they aren't lurking in there. -- im P.S. Get a hold of Sound-System just to hear People are Changing. It's a cover of a brilliantly funky Timmy Thomas song.
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herbie hancock 'dedication' [sony japan] features the track 'nobu', LIVE techno recorded in 1974 or something. i've read loads of possitive things about another japan only live release, think it's called 'flood', there's some nice things on there. 'sextant' is great, you can play games with it too; 'spot the sample'. 'thrust' is in the same veign as 'sextant', and so is 'mwandisi'. carl craig lifted a sample off 'sunlight' for one of his 69 releases. oh, and anyone know if 'the prisoner' [blue note] is a must have? saw a top 5 list of madlib's favorite blue note records, and it's placed second. i allready picked up his number one 'blacks and blues' by bobbi humphrey, and i love it! oh, and i was playing 'fat albert rotunda' last night, another 'spot the sample'-record; 'tell me a bedtime story' off that album is a favorite of mine. jurren _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
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I read an interview with HH sometime ago and he said(in so many words) that most people werent into Sextant, it was too heady for them and so he made Headhunters to please the crowd. It amazes me though that Hancock is so brilliant at both heady and crowd pleasing music. I imagine if he went out to make crap he would do a bloody good job of it :P On Monday, Jul 7, 2003, at 05:39 America/Detroit, jurren baars wrote: herbie hancock 'dedication' [sony japan] features the track 'nobu', LIVE techno recorded in 1974 or something. i've read loads of possitive things about another japan only live release, think it's called 'flood', there's some nice things on there. 'sextant' is great, you can play games with it too; 'spot the sample'. 'thrust' is in the same veign as 'sextant', and so is 'mwandisi'. carl craig lifted a sample off 'sunlight' for one of his 69 releases. oh, and anyone know if 'the prisoner' [blue note] is a must have? saw a top 5 list of madlib's favorite blue note records, and it's placed second. i allready picked up his number one 'blacks and blues' by bobbi humphrey, and i love it! oh, and i was playing 'fat albert rotunda' last night, another 'spot the sample'-record; 'tell me a bedtime story' off that album is a favorite of mine. jurren _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
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YUCK! i checked it in realaudio before ordering and assumed it went somewhere that the clip wasnt long enough to tell me but no...beautiful cover artwork, lame lame music. sappy, bland jazz touches that make marian It's news to me if it was meant to be any more jazzy than your average Detroit mid-tempo house fayre. Trust me, 'Freaky' on a comparitive basis is flippin' wicked as RnB! (But it does remind me of D'Angelo though!) Really though what strikes me most about some of the criticisms of this record is that they appear to be out of proportion relative to both its strengths *and* its weaknesses! Is something else going on here!?! k
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Really though what strikes me most about some of the criticisms of this record is that they appear to be out of proportion relative to both its strengths *and* its weaknesses! Is something else going on here!?! true! well said..nothing going on tho, and i'm lightening up and enjoying it more for what it is now (thanks tom matt)...my criticisms probably usually come off as out of proportion and agro but its just me being a picky opinionated mofo, please dont take me too seriously i say all this crap with a big smirk...dont mean anything by it..just way opinionated about some things...the only thing i got against amp is that it comes so close to the sort of music i wanna hear but lets me down with the longey elements and the vocals etc etc..it's still great stuff just wasnt quite what i was hoping for and made me frustrated with my friends for propping it so much :P..i thought it was worth discussing, but everyone but me seems to love it very much... btw nice reviews on the new bleep43 ken :) but i am gonna be PISSED if i pick that stuff up and it lets me down!!! haha jk!! jt _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
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OK, well after all this talk, I'm gonna have to d/l this and see what I think. Of course if I like it, I will buy it. Money's just too dear to purchase things unheard these days. /Dave -Original Message- From: Phonopsia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 7:20 PM To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) amp fiddler lovewar I'm stunned. I really can't believe anyone doesn't love this record. When I played it for my friend Ben, who doesn't really pay attention to anything electronic and is generally uninterested in it, I had to rip the headphones off his head. When I played it out a couple of weeks ago, one of my friends who fiercely hates vocals in house was cheering me on. It's useless for me to reiterate Tom (Andy ;)'s points, b/c I think he's said it all perfectly, but Dave, please give this a listen, b/c I wouldn't characterize anything about it as jazzy in anything more than the vaguest sense. It is pure funk. The keys that come in 1/2-way through are gorgeous. Perhaps they're simple, but they are as effective as anything Moodymann has ever done on his own and then some. The precise moment that they enter confirms the perfect arrangement of this record. I have heard it at least 50 times now, and every time that his keys come in I get a tingle in my spine. It does it for me in every way. J.T., we're really butting heads recently, aren't we. ;) Oh, and his live set was bar-none the best moment of the festival for me. Nothing else was even close - other than maybe Traxx @ Cannonball. Tristan === Text/Mixes: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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what strikes me most about some of the criticisms of this record is that they appear to be out of proportion relative to both its strengths *and* its weaknesses! Is something else going on here!?! Oh god Ken, why does there always have to be a conspiracy behind everything ? That last line is out of order. I like the record but if someone (else whose opinion on music I respect A LOT, by the way) DOESN'T like it, I'm not going to think it's for some dark and mysterious ulterior motive... some records just hit different people differently! SHeesh folks... --this horse is officially nearing it's beaten-to-death phase-- Peace, Matt MacQueen
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my criticisms probably usually come off as out of proportion and agro actually I felt the tone was more like a couple of headz sitting around a record store dropping needles on stuff and just BS'ing about the releases and relative hype or substance of various stuff, I thought it was funny :) just me being a picky opinionated mofo, please dont take me too seriously i say all this crap with a big smirk...dont mean anything by it..just way opinionated about some things... and we wouldn't have it any other way! Stop apologizing for it JT.. opinions challenge assumptions and this has been a good thread! It's drawn out a lot of good discussions about the merits and shortcomings of said record! nice reviews on the new bleep43 ken :) but i am gonna be PISSED if i pick that stuff up and it lets me down!!! haha jk!! LOL! Yeah are reviewers now have to offer you'll like this or your money back guarnteed!? And if you like that, get the extra Ginsu Steak Knife set for only 3 easy payments of $9.99... Peace, Matt MacQueen
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Oh god Ken, why does there always have to be a conspiracy behind everything ? That last line is out of order. Isn't there?!? ;-) Sorry, I didn't express myself as flippantly as I was feeling abt it evidently. k
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i dont really like much of future shock, though i have a couple different 12 versions of rockit and the whole LP on vinyl, i wouldnt call it a standout. his stuff with miles was much better. and for a solo LP, i always play the lead track off of thrust when i deejay funky sh*t, it always goes over well. that whole album is like a spacier version of headhunters. tom -- Original Message -- From: Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 21:57:00 -0400 On 7/6/03 7:28 PM, Matthew MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you jazz fans, how about the top 3-5 must have Herbie Hancock LPs or moments ? Commentary encouraged. Maiden Voyage is a standout LP and track. Sublime mid 60s jazz exploration. The classic Dolphin Dance bookends the album. Head Hunters is the next must have. So completely influenced by 60s soul, and so influential on 70s funk and jazz. You know the bassline for Chameleon by heart even if you don't recognize the title. Trippy synth solos abound. I heard Sunlight on a Shake or CC mix and had to track down the 1977 release. Commercial, mildly funky, and so loaded with antique gear it'll make your head spin. Warning: vocoder in FULL effect. Most people point to Rockit from Future Shock next. An electro classic that's flat-out over-exposed right now. I haven't really listened to his last two releases enough to find favorite moments. That doesn't mean they aren't lurking in there. -- im P.S. Get a hold of Sound-System just to hear People are Changing. It's a cover of a brilliantly funky Timmy Thomas song. andythepooh.com
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ha !! that was me raving about that record!!! I guess I owe you a $$ or two haha! no it was a lot more people than just you... I like it!! I think it's better that alot of house stuff I hear - dunno, can't explain, I just like it. yuck. it's limp stuff. of course there's loads of bad house but...damn. i like the stick-y beat in lovewar at first, but it doesnt go anywhere! except to add this weak nowhere elevator jazz stuff...and amp's voice is generic as hell which turns me off even more..maybe if the lyrics/voice was something special it would make up for the music going nowhere..i'll listen to it again, but geez i almost dont want to I wouldn't buy anything else of his - this is one of the strongest. Did you get the ampdog knight thing? no...i dont think i ever heard that one in mp3/digital either..more direct/less easy-listening jazz? you sure you want that Moodymann LP?? yea! :) you know i got it on cd already right? but my roommate has it on vinyl and i like it a lot better that way...without the hazy blending together of the tracks. even then tho i dont see that it's much comparable to the ampit actually goes somewhere. i'm not totally into the jazzy kdj stuff either but its got a lot more soul and energy in it and is not nearly so wishy-washy and generic. a little bit, but there's something subtly different... oh well taster's choice and all that :) jt _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
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-- Original Message -- From: J. T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] yuck. it's limp stuff. of course there's loads of bad house but...damn. i like the stick-y beat in lovewar at first, but it doesnt go anywhere! except to add this weak nowhere elevator jazz stuff...and amp's voice is generic as hell which turns me off even more..maybe if the lyrics/voice was something special it would make up for the music going nowhere..i'll listen to it again, but geez i almost dont want to i just dont know what to say about this description of love and war. IMO nothing is generic about anything about it. perhaps the old quote he used in the lyrics is a little familiar, but i think that was the point. no...i dont think i ever heard that one in mp3/digital either..more direct/less easy-listening jazz? you sound like this one friend of mine who doesnt like anything that doesnt have a very straightforward beat to it. personally i like more variety in my beats. yea! :) you know i got it on cd already right? but my roommate has it on vinyl and i like it a lot better that way...without the hazy blending together of the tracks. even then tho i dont see that it's much comparable to the ampit actually goes somewhere. i'm not totally into the jazzy kdj stuff either but its got a lot more soul and energy in it and is not nearly so wishy-washy and generic. a little bit, but there's something subtly different... i really dont see how any of this music is generic. but you know amp fiddler plays keys on at least one and probably more tracks on that album. really i dont know what to say. i have both amp fiddler 12s in my box, the amp dog knights, the detroit experiment LP with amp on it, and the moodymann tracks with amp on them, and theyre probably most of the best new tracks i have. tom andythepooh.com
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i just dont know what to say about this description of love and war. IMO nothing is generic about anything about it. perhaps the old quote he used in the lyrics is a little familiar, but i think that was the point. what lyrics?? i heard lovv and some scatting..?? quote? guess i need to listen again...? but i just dont even like his voice or his delivery..syruppy, too smooth not enough real feeling..to my ears! it's a subtle thing. i really dont see how any of this music is generic. but you know amp fiddler plays keys on at least one and probably more tracks on that album. if its fresh to you then great. not generic? well, i have heard thousands and thousands of jazz records. i sell them for a living. so maybe it's unfortunate but i dont hear anything but limp playing/ideas, heard it 1000 times before kinda stuff, as far as the jazz elements go. as far as his voice i hear a alot of rb classic vocalists distilled into something generic. its not amps fault his voice sounds the way it does but it doesnt grab me at all. i gotta say i am not very enthusiastic about the jazzy kdj stuff either, but usually it comes together better, progresses, etc etc so that it doesnt bug me and hits me better. it's a subtle thing. sometimes playing/singing this kind of cheese gets by with me, other times it makes me cringe and run to pick up the needle.. box, the amp dog knights, the detroit experiment LP with amp on a lot of the jazz on detroit experiment falls flat as well imo! sorry. i know at least a few people on here who are into jazz agree with me.. i much prefer russ gabriel's recent stuff. if he hooked up with a nice rb vocalist i think it could be in the same area as amp but blow him out of the water. if i wasnt extremely disappointed with it i wouldnt have said anything... jt _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
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-- Original Message -- From: J. T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] what lyrics?? i heard lovv and some scatting..?? quote? guess i need to listen again...? the if you stand for nothing, youll fall for anything bit. its certainly not a straight up vocal track. but i just dont even like his voice or his delivery..syruppy, too smooth not enough real feeling..to my ears! it's a subtle thing. perhaps im biased after seeing him live, but trust me, he's got much real feeling when he performs, and i think also on his records. if its fresh to you then great. im not calling it fresh, but its definitely distinctive. i could pick an amp track out of a lineup easily. its definitely not generic. not generic? well, i have heard thousands and thousands of jazz records. i sell them for a living. so maybe it's unfortunate but i dont hear anything but limp playing/ideas, heard it 1000 times before kinda stuff, as far as the jazz elements go. im also pretty unsure why this has to do with jazz. amp played with george clinton for like a decade. he makes funky music. there might be some jazziness to it, but he wasnt trying to make a jazz record. a lot of the jazz on detroit experiment falls flat as well imo! sorry. i know at least a few people on here who are into jazz agree with me.. the detroit experiment certainly wasnt meant to be a jazz record either though! obviously the inclusion of jazz players gives it a good dose of jazzy flavor, but theres also a good dose of hiphop, techno, and funk in there, which is why its the detroit experiment and not the detroit jazz record. i love me some jazz, im certainly not a purist of any genre, but i think the DE lp is really quality, and their performance at movement was absolutely fantastic. i much prefer russ gabriel's recent stuff. if he hooked up with a nice rb vocalist i think it could be in the same area as amp but blow him out of the water. i think theyre definitely 2 different fish: russ's stuff is definitely leaning more towards jazz than amp's stuff is. tom andythepooh.com
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J.T's so superficial J.T's so superficial J.T's so superficial YEAH ryan From: J. T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] YUCK! i checked it in realaudio before ordering and assumed it went somewhere that the clip wasnt long enough to tell me but no...beautiful cover artwork, lame lame music. sappy, bland jazz touches that make marian mcpartland seem wild. and production in general just goes nowhere. amp's voice is generic. someone said the vocals to lovewar were really intelligent and cool, uhhh what vocals? the word love ? or the scatty stuff??..freakin is so syruppy and generic it makes me cringe...i am really bewildered what you guys are hearing in this stuff that you think is so great...the jan mix is just 2 minutes of filler...i am a fan of kdj and i do like rb and jazz, but this stuff is WEAK. i'd heard the other amp's in mp3 and didnt like much either but thought maybe this one got it together...nope! shoulda known better, but had to buy one to be sure i guess. gr!! haha. with all the hype i thought maybe there should be one disagreeing viewpoint, i wish it had come before i put down my $ on it... anybody wanna trade something for it? pref in usaplease take this junk off my hands! i'm sure i'm really selling it well hahah jt _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
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the if you stand for nothing, youll fall for anything bit. its certainly not a straight up vocal track. ahh yeah i didnt hear that...i wasnt payign that much attention i guess im not calling it fresh, but its definitely distinctive. i could pick an amp track out of a lineup easily. its definitely not generic. no - you like it. i wouldnt say its definitely not generic! because it is to me...call me picky, whatever... im also pretty unsure why this has to do with jazz. amp played because it's jazzy. i dont think its that hard to figure out. i'm not saying it has to be in 5/8 time or anything. with george clinton for like a decade. he makes funky music. there might be some jazziness to it, but he wasnt trying to make a jazz record. i do like the basslines..but i wouldnt call this stuff funky exactly..obviously this stuff is not straight up jazz...like...duh :P the detroit experiment certainly wasnt meant to be a jazz record either though! obviously the inclusion of jazz players gives it a good dose of jazzy flavor, but theres also a good dose of hiphop, techno, and funk in there, which is why its the detroit experiment and not the detroit jazz record. i love me some man you deserved to be slapped with a fish for that...come on!! gimme a freakin break. jazz stopped having to be all trumpets and odd time signatures 40 years ago. does nitpicking over genre name really have any point? lp is really quality, and their performance at movement was absolutely fantastic. i didnt make it to movement...i would've dug it live i'm sure, but live music is easier to like. i dig some music i'd otherwise be way more critical of when i see it live. i think theyre definitely 2 different fish: russ's stuff is definitely leaning more towards jazz than amp's stuff is. true, but...its just taste i guess, the elements i pick up on in amp seem wishywashy and artificial like msg to me. whatever. im not trying to get personal, it justa int my thing..at allis that OK?? thank you!! jt _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
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-- Original Message -- From: J. T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] no - you like it. i wouldnt say its definitely not generic! because it is to me...call me picky, whatever... generic to me implies that the music has no character, that it could be being played by anybody. check any boyband knockoffs of nsync and backstreet boys or any of the pearl jam knockoffs for what id classify as generic. because it's jazzy. i dont think its that hard to figure out. i'm not saying it has to be in 5/8 time or anything. jazzy /= jazz. even still, i dont see it as jazzy at all really. i do like the basslines..but i wouldnt call this stuff funky exactly..obviously this stuff is not straight up jazz...like...duh :P im just saying, holding it up to jazz records to compare it just doesnt make sense. obviously its not going to hold up. but thats because it wasnt the intention for the record to be a jazz record. man you deserved to be slapped with a fish for that...come on!! gimme a freakin break. jazz stopped having to be all trumpets and odd time signatures 40 years ago. does nitpicking over genre name really have any point? youre comparing apples and oranges. im not going to compare pharoah sanders to kenny g because thyere not even the same thing, though they might both be called jazz by different people. im not arguing genre names, im arguing the essence of the performance. i didnt make it to movement...i would've dug it live i'm sure, but live music is easier to like. i dig some music i'd otherwise be way more critical of when i see it live. im usually similarly critical, whether its live or recorded. true, but...its just taste i guess, the elements i pick up on in amp seem wishywashy and artificial like msg to me. whatever. im not trying to get personal, it justa int my thing..at allis that OK?? thank you!! thats fine, but calling something thats distinctive generic and comparing a non-jazz record to jazz records just dont make proper musical criticism to me. i hate autechre, but im not going to call them generic or compare them to jazz even though im sure they were influenced by it tom andythepooh.com
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Yeah, I agree completely with JT's comments, as a long time jazz player and fan I notice that some of the jazzier things seem more hype to others on this list than to myself, and I think maybe it's because my background and jazz makes me a little harder to impress with releases that go in that directions. It's so easy to sound like noodly lounge music in this genre!!! Haven't heard the new amp fiddler record so I can't comment on that specifically. But, well I'll just keep my opinion on his cover of Too High to myself. ;) --Dave -Original Message- From: J. T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 3:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) amp fiddler lovewar i just dont know what to say about this description of love and war. IMO nothing is generic about anything about it. perhaps the old quote he used in the lyrics is a little familiar, but i think that was the point. what lyrics?? i heard lovv and some scatting..?? quote? guess i need to listen again...? but i just dont even like his voice or his delivery..syruppy, too smooth not enough real feeling..to my ears! it's a subtle thing. i really dont see how any of this music is generic. but you know amp fiddler plays keys on at least one and probably more tracks on that album. if its fresh to you then great. not generic? well, i have heard thousands and thousands of jazz records. i sell them for a living. so maybe it's unfortunate but i dont hear anything but limp playing/ideas, heard it 1000 times before kinda stuff, as far as the jazz elements go. as far as his voice i hear a alot of rb classic vocalists distilled into something generic. its not amps fault his voice sounds the way it does but it doesnt grab me at all. i gotta say i am not very enthusiastic about the jazzy kdj stuff either, but usually it comes together better, progresses, etc etc so that it doesnt bug me and hits me better. it's a subtle thing. sometimes playing/singing this kind of cheese gets by with me, other times it makes me cringe and run to pick up the needle.. box, the amp dog knights, the detroit experiment LP with amp on a lot of the jazz on detroit experiment falls flat as well imo! sorry. i know at least a few people on here who are into jazz agree with me.. i much prefer russ gabriel's recent stuff. if he hooked up with a nice rb vocalist i think it could be in the same area as amp but blow him out of the water. if i wasnt extremely disappointed with it i wouldnt have said anything... jt _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
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JT, it's so simple... You're wrong. JUST KIDDING!! If everyone liked the same stuff the world would be as boring as a 7 hour John Aquaviva DJ set... ok whatever but you know what I mean. ;) Disclaimer: this is not an attempt to get you to like it (a pointless exercise to anyone for any reason) but more of the reasons why I see merit in this .. and others of his records. I like Amp Fiddler because it's not techno or house but it has the elements of detroit sound that I like to hear in other music I listen to. It's funny you use jazz as a reference cause that's the last thing I would have likened it too. I like the songwriting. I would classify it as 'rb' or 'soul' before I would think of it as jazz, but wherever you come from is how you relate and describe things so whatever, that's pretty moot point anyway. I also know very little about jazz compared to most, so maybe I don't have the same distaste as a more typical jazz head might. I also think when you take a mouthful of something and spit it out immediately (judging from your reaction that seemed to be the case?) You might have written it off wholesale without looking a little further. I like Freakin, reminds me of a cut you'd hear coming out of someone's trunk at a BBQ in the summer, recalls a Fatback or SOS Band vibe almost. I like the lyrics to love and war... didn't hear any scat myself. The keys playing I find interesting, moreso than the rhythms... the piano keys in 'love and war' I think are great and moody. Did you listen to the electronic synth parts in freakin' ? Crazy analogue sounds and squiggles and synth farts, etc. It's just a fresh little summer jammy jam, I don't see anything generic in it.. the solo is nuts! Or if nothing else, fun and groovin.. not a whole lot else to think for me. I agree the KDJ version was a bit of a let-down.. if you want better examples of that check the Mahogani or KDJ collaborations (DOH - too late you bought this one!) ;) Maybe the expectations where too weird but I also don't think that much about it, I liked the grooves, a summertime kind of sound and the man has a lot of talent on the keys and I like the sound of his voice myself too. The beats I think could be better compared to other elements of his productions, but we'll see what happens in the future... Maybe Amp just needs some $tinkworx beats to liven it up!! PS - I love Detroit Experiment as one of the whole greater than the sum of the parts thing, each track is a little different and the crazy influences do come out individually AND collectively (to me). Midnight at Twenty Grand!! It seems to be the trendy thing now with a lot of techno heads to dislike where Carl is going on the jazz collective tip and I'm not havin it... music needs to expand, the detroit sound is way to wide to stay pegged in a single genre. I'm glad people are going for it. Peace, Matt MacQueen PS - Speaking of... Now I gotta go drive to Dusty Groove and pick up the new Dwele LP: From DustyGroove.com - sparkling debut from Detroit's Dwele -- a sweet vocalist in the Donny Hathaway tradition, but with a tight, beat heavy soul sound that glides between 70s soul jazz, mellowed-out Jay Dee synth hop groove, and the natural soul vibe ?uestlove brings to his productions! We first caught wind of Dwele on Slum Village's Tainted single, and that's a good indication of the sound you'll find on the debut. Mellow, trippy keys and sound washes drench the album from beginning-to-end, with Dwele's often deeply layered vocals weighing the bright, modern groove aspects of the sound with a rich sense of soul history. There's a slight 70s soul jazz vibe, too, in spots -- a sophisticated studio groove with bright bass and some sunny, soulfully strummed electric guitar. Dwele finds some truly nice middle ground between the natural soul scene, modern groove, and the mellower beats and grooves of the best Detroit hip hop of recent years -- a scene that Dwele indeed was a player in before finding his soul muse. Great stuff -- similar enough to some of his contemporaries -- but still wholly unique in Dwele's embrace of a bright, sunny, polished sound that still manages to maintain naturally soulful grit and grease! The title track is a classic -- crackly, thumping beats, sweetly chiming keys, and capital M Moody vocals -- and many others are nearly as strong! Includes Hold On, Find A Way, Day At A Time, Kick Out Of You, Sho Ya Right, Lady Mahogany, Money Don't Mean A Thing, and more. 10 tracks on the LP. -Original Message- From: J. T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 4:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) amp fiddler lovewar the if you stand for nothing, youll fall for anything bit. its certainly not a straight up vocal track. ahh yeah i didnt hear that...i wasnt payign that much attention i guess im not calling it fresh, but its definitely distinctive. i could pick an amp track out of a lineup
