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its great to see a whole new generation of DJ's discovering the funky electronic sounds of Nitzer Ebb. especially the tracks Murderous and Join in the Chant :^) which Minstry was played? The Nature of Love is their most techno-y track I can think of. sean fogie deason From: Gerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:45:59 -0400 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] industrial-techno mix hear what happens when neurotek matrix take some old industrial, new industrial, and techno for a 60 min ride. it started today at 2 pm EST, and will be looped 'till thursday nite. the archive will go up in a week with full tracklisting. http://www.beats.to -the show is called Neurotek here's some of what your in for: cabaret voltaire front 242 revolting cocks depeche mode subhead art of noise talking heads ministry nitzer ebb anthony rother arpanet enjoy, G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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sean deason wrote: its great to see a whole new generation of DJ's discovering the funky electronic sounds of Nitzer Ebb. especially the tracks Murderous and Join in the Chant :^) which Minstry was played? Listen and find out! :P (sorry couldn't resist) Over The Shoulder is the answer to your query. :) Cheers! G - another old fogie The Nature of Love is their most techno-y track I can think of. sean fogie deason From: Gerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:45:59 -0400 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] industrial-techno mix hear what happens when neurotek matrix take some old industrial, new industrial, and techno for a 60 min ride. it started today at 2 pm EST, and will be looped 'till thursday nite. the archive will go up in a week with full tracklisting. http://www.beats.to -the show is called Neurotek here's some of what your in for: cabaret voltaire front 242 revolting cocks depeche mode subhead art of noise talking heads ministry nitzer ebb anthony rother arpanet enjoy, G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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for me it was techno at age 13, i was really not into music before then. what got me into music was playing around with a casio sk1 that i got for my birthday and i was sampling music from the radio when i came across an alternative-industrial show on a community radio station. the dj played 808 state cobra bora from their album 90 on ztt when it first came out followed by some chicago acid tracks like phuture. in fact my first concert was a rave, it was +8 first tour in 91 when they came to Dallas to promote their form our minds to yours comp, got to see a cybersonic throw a live performance. this was an all age event. i remmber hating industrial music back then, stuff like skinny puppy, ministry, nin, that shit was fucking lame! stephen.
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*** Ain't Psycick T.V. the act of Genesis P. Orridge, founder of Throbbing Gristle? The thing people need to remember about Genesis P.O is that he is a media personality, and not a musician. He is good for interviews about concentration camp psychology, why fluxus sucks, Crowley related ritual Magick, and William Seward Burroughs, just do not ask the guy to write a tune. He was a performance artist, not a musician. TG was Genesis applying the gallery performance art of Coum Transmissions into a rock context. Most people do not realize that the brains behind Throbbing Gristle were really Chris Carter, and to a lesser extent Sleazy P. That is why there never has really been a true GPO solo record, he isn't a musician. When you listen to newer Psychic TV you are really listening to younger Fred Gianelli. From what Fred has posted to this list, he does not feel that he was treated very well, and felt cheated by the whole process. He did not get much fame or money, as Genesis took most of both... ...I could go on longer, Craig Taborn goes on in 6 hours and 35 minutes, I better hit the hay... Take care, Mike Lay Unconditional Empowerment http://barkingcat.org/counterforce - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Michael Taylor : [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homes.arealcity.com/Intermodal/index.html http://www.mp3.com/TheMSProject Thanks for the acknowledgement and thoughtful and intelligent insights. I would like to take this opportunity to publicly refute Genesis P-Orridge's claims of inventing Acid House. Since when did a short englishman look like a black guy from Chicago? Not a very nice thing to do. Gen has made this claim so many times in interviews that he actually believes his own bullshit. He never noticed the rest of the band rolling our eyes as he was interviewed backstage by stupid gullible rock journalists all those years ago. The more press he did, the more grandiose and absurd the claims. Don't burst his bubble now. Take everything he says and what you read about him with a heavy dose of skepticism. However, Gen is really a master of self promotion and @ getting interviewed for shitty so called films like Modulations and this new one called Better Living Through Circuitry. One of my PTV tracks is even on the soundtrack distributed by Moonshine so you know it's a complete piece of shit. Incidentally Genesis P-Orridge had no substantial input on that particular track. It was recorded during the Infinite Beat sessions. The title, music, concept of using voice samples of Salvador Dali and Andy Warhol were entirely mine. Dave Ball provided some additional keyboard overdubs. Gen did suggest to use the Dali/Warhol samples on that particular track however I had planned all along to use them on one of the tracks for the CD and had them ready in my sampler. The reason he received 50% writing credit and publishing was due to a disagreement we had over the publishing of other tracks on the CD. Particularly I.C. Water which was picked as a single and Gen was greedily claiming that he was entitled to more than 50% of the publishing. I suggested that we split all the tracks 50/50 since Money for E... was the only track where I could honestly say I deserved 100% of the publishing. I was willing to make this concession on the principal that Gen didn't deserve more than 50% of any of the songs. 50/50 all the way. I don't really consider Money for E... an important track. Just a funny filler track to end an LP and make a stupid ecstasy joke which he was doing a lot of then. Amazing how some people find the money for their indulgences. To his credit he did help me get my start and put out my first records in 1985. Somehow he did attract a good crew and bandmates. Matthew Best, Dickie Dawes, Richard Schiessl, Dominic Parker , Milli Laws, his wife @ the time Paula and in small doses ; ) their 2 girls Caresse and Genesse were all great fun to be with and experience the camaraderie of being on the road. Psychic TV was his project and he can have it. Judging from his mismanagement of the PTV backcatalogue it's all worthless now. But then again he just thinks I'm just a miserable asshole. Telepathic regards, fG a/k/a The Kooky Scientist
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*** Ain't Psycick T.V. the act of Genesis P. Orridge, founder of Throbbing Gristle? The thing people need to remember about Genesis P.O is that he is a media personality, and not a musician. He is good for interviews about concentration camp psychology, why fluxus sucks, Crowley related ritual Magick, and William Seward Burroughs, just do not ask the guy to write a tune. He was a performance artist, not a musician. TG was Genesis applying the gallery performance art of Coum Transmissions into a rock context. Most people do not realize that the brains behind Throbbing Gristle were really Chris Carter, and to a lesser extent Sleazy P. That is why there never has really been a true GPO solo record, he isn't a musician. When you listen to newer Psychic TV you are really listening to younger Fred Gianelli. From what Fred has posted to this list, he does not feel that he was treated very well, and felt cheated by the whole process. He did not get much fame or money, as Genesis took most of both... ...I could go on longer, Craig Taborn goes on in 6 hours and 35 minutes, I better hit the hay... Take care, Mike Lay Unconditional Empowerment http://barkingcat.org/counterforce - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Michael Taylor : [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homes.arealcity.com/Intermodal/index.html http://www.mp3.com/TheMSProject Thanks for the acknowledgement and thoughtful and intelligent insights. I would like to take this opportunity to publicly refute Genesis P-Orridge's claims of inventing Acid House. Since when did a short englishman look like a black guy from Chicago? Not a very nice thing to do. Gen has made this claim so many times in interviews that he actually believes his own bullshit. He never noticed the rest of the band rolling our eyes as he was interviewed backstage by stupid gullible rock journalists all those years ago. The more press he did, the more grandiose and absurd the claims. Don't burst his bubble now. Take everything he says and what you read about him with a heavy dose of skepticism. However, Gen is really a master of self promotion and @ getting interviewed for shitty so called films like Modulations and this new one called Better Living Through Circuitry. One of my PTV tracks is even on the soundtrack distributed by Moonshine - so you know it's a complete piece of shit. Incidentally Genesis P-Orridge had no substantial input on that particular track. It was recorded during the Infinite Beat sessions. The title, music, concept of using voice samples of Salvador Dali and Andy Warhol were entirely mine. Dave Ball provided some additional keyboard overdubs. Gen did suggest to use the Dali/Warhol samples on that particular track however I had planned all along to use them on one of the tracks for the CD and had them ready in my sampler. The reason he received 50% writing credit and publishing was due to a disagreement we had over the publishing of other tracks on the CD. Particularly I.C. Water which was picked as a single and Gen was greedily claiming that he was entitled to more than 50% of the publishing. I suggested that we split all the tracks 50/50 since Money for E... was the only track where I could honestly say I deserved 100% of the publishing. I was willing to make this concession on the principal that Gen didn't deserve more than 50% of any of the songs. 50/50 all the way. I don't really consider Money for E... an important track. Just a funny filler track to end an LP and make a stupid ecstasy joke, which he was doing a lot of then. Amazing how some people find the money for their indulgences. To his credit he did help me get my start and put out my first records in 1985. Somehow he did attract a good crew and bandmates. Matthew Best, Dickie Dawes, Richard Schiessl, Dominic Parker , Milli Laws, his wife @ the time Paula and in small doses ; ) their 2 girls Caresse and Genesse were all great fun to be with and experience the camaraderie of being on the road. Psychic TV was his project and he can have it. Judging from his mismanagement of the PTV backcatalogue it's all worthless now. But then again he just thinks I'm just a miserable asshole. Telepathic regards, fG a/k/a The Kooky Scientist
RE: [313] industrial vs. hip hop
if i remember right Ministry's land of rape and honey album had a industrial/hip-hop song on it...it wasn't bad either. -Original Message- From: Sanderson Dear [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 11:14 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] industrial vs. hip hop best mutation of hip-hop IMO is dig it by skinny puppy. i confess i've been a fan since the remission ep... if i'm asked i'll totally disavow any knowledge of this admission. ;) sanderson Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Haye! forgive my bubbliness this morning, but the discussion of techno industrial really get me going! Let us knot forget thee influence ov Psycick T.V. and Fred Gianelli, they really had the techno/house/industrial crossover thing going on for a long time. I've been listening to a loth of the PTV acid house material lately, quite tasty! *** Ain't Psycick T.V. the act of Genesis P. Orridge, founder of Throbbing Gristle? Lay Unconditional Empowerment http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
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Haye! a conversation that started between dave the wave dresden and i @ wmc this year centered around how people got into the scene, and i started an informal poll while i was down there. ratio? about 60% industrial, 40% hip hop. and one - neither. neither? his answer - heavy metal. hmmm but those 2 avenues do seem to be the way that just about everyone got into the scene. any other neithers? me? hey, i can goth dance with the best of 'em... the screwing in the light bulb... the killing the cockroach... and of course the oh no the sun. *** Well, I used to listen to some heavy metal and rock'n'roll, Iron Maiden, Helloween, Gun's 'n' Roses, Carcass, Napalm Death, but I was young and naive. Then I jumped directly to Acid House from one day to another, I used to listen to a tape that was called Super Acid Mix - yeah, I know, but it was nice back then :-) And it eventualy took me to Detroit stuff. Lay Unconditional Empowerment http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
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-Original Message- From: FC3 Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Sanderson Dear' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; '313@hyperreal.org' 313@hyperreal.org Date: Saturday, 27 May 2000 11:48 Subject: RE: [313] industrial vs. hip hop if i remember right Ministry's land of rape and honey album had a industrial/hip-hop song on it...it wasn't bad either. sounds like the one Adrian Sherwood did for them! the intresting thing about them was that the album The Mind is A Terrible Thing To Taste was recorded in Chicago Trax Studio - were it's not just a studio ,it's a way of life - A J Another industrial - house conection in Chicago was that one of the bands on Wax Trax (Die Warzau ?) had a few records on chicago trax(Samurai Sam,Xipotec etc) e,r
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*** Ain't Psycick T.V. the act of Genesis P. Orridge, founder of Throbbing Gristle? The thing people need to remember about Genesis P.O is that he is a media personality, and not a musician. He is good for interviews about concentration camp psychology, why fluxus sucks, Crowley related ritual Magick, and William Seward Burroughs, just do not ask the guy to write a tune. He was a performance artist, not a musician. TG was Genesis applying the gallery performance art of Coum Transmissions into a rock context. Most people do not realize that the brains behind Throbbing Gristle were really Chris Carter, and to a lesser extent Sleazy P. That is why there never has really been a true GPO solo record, he isn't a musician. When you listen to newer Psychic TV you are really listening to younger Fred Gianelli. From what Fred has posted to this list, he does not feel that he was treated very well, and felt cheated by the whole process. He did not get much fame or money, as Genesis took most of both... ...I could go on longer, Craig Taborn goes on in 6 hours and 35 minutes, I better hit the hay... Take care, Mike Lay Unconditional Empowerment http://barkingcat.org/counterforce - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Michael Taylor : [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homes.arealcity.com/Intermodal/index.html http://www.mp3.com/TheMSProject
Re: [313] industrial vs. hip hop and Astrelwerks
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jorge Velez [EMAIL PROTECTED] messed around with filters and compression to make the sounds now known as: I don't see how anybody, fan or producer, can come into techno via hip-hop. Speedy J? Ben Sims? (not sure about Ben...) Dave Clarke Autechre Granted, and i think Black Dog (At least Ed Handley) were influenced Also Jay Denham was a Hip-Hop DJ (Or so that rough guide says). TTFN, -- Tom Lawton ICQ:21604785 A penny saved is ridiculous
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In a message dated 27/05/00 3:20:50 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: n message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] messed around with filters and compression to make the sounds now known as: I don't see how anybody, fan or producer, can come into techno via hip-hop. Speedy J? Ben Sims? (not sure about Ben...) Dave Clarke was a hip-hop DJ before he turned to all things techno, and that'd definately explain his wikkid turntablesque skills of late. TTFN, -- Tom Lawton Whoa here, Wasn't it also Jeff Mills and Claude Young hip-hop DJs too before the techno onslaught? Also don't forget the association between electro of early Cybotron/ Model 500 with Afrika Bambatta. Its all intertwined. I remember the remote days of having fun with an old Japanese DJ friend who was really into hip hop and he showed me some of his ropes with the turntables. We ended up having nights where I'd spar with him, me playing Rob Hood and Ron Trent whilst he slapped on A Tribe Called Quest and La Funk Mob. What a blast! A_Zed _ Program Co-ordinator, Ambient Zone RTRFM 92.1 Sunday Electronic Listening [http://rtrfm.ii.net] Perth, W.Aust (WST) 23.00-01.00 Detroit (EST) 10.00-12.00 Frankfurt (CET)/ London(GMT)16.00-18.00
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since nitzer ebb got play on hawtin's mix cd, they've getting more attention and Mute is going to be doing some reissues soon. not sure what just yet but i bet they're be some new remixes popping up. kuri On last week's show (Equinox), I mixed in 12 remix of 242's Tyranny For You, on top of Mills Circus, and it actually sounded pretty good. This week I dug out the instrumental version of Murderous by Nitzer Ebb (check it out @ 42mins in) http://www.theiceberg.com/cgi-bin/1groove/playshow.cgi?equinox First 242 concert: In support of Official Version late 80's at small basement club called Nut's Bolt's. They had their industrial wasteland set up - all their electronic gear + various metallic objects; including a 6'x6' sheet of metal hanging from the low ceiling which Richard 23 would turn around and start wailing on with whatever he could get his hands on. They also had an oil drum flipped upside down, which was used for additional percussion + the grand finale - the old grinder into the side shooting sparks everywhere. Cheers, Gerald. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Kuri Kondrak Resonance Magazine
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i am somewhere in between industrial and finding a suprise in the record store. i was at a Harmony House in Flint (the one on miller road if anyone cares) looking through thier industrial and electronic music CD's. that is where i stumbled up a cd called Detroit: Beyond the Third Wave...it kinda captured my attention with the artwork and the subject matter. and besides that it was out on Asterlwerks, fatboy Slims label. so i figured it had to be good since Fatboy Slim is s damn popular (this was when going out of my mind was getting steady play on 120minutes and Amp) i read the back were it proceded to talk about detroit techno. i was like i wonder what this is like and i bought it. one of the best CD's i have ever bought. i learned alot from that CD. I still have a copy. and i am looking for a copy on vinyl. The Claude Young, K-Hand, Stacy Pullen, and Shake tracks are pure genius. it is one of the few CD's that i have that can manage to capture my attention and imagination still after all the times i have listened to it. i wish i had brought a copy with me...this boat ride is boring. oh, and there are a couple members from this list on it: T-1000 (AO, who also did the art work) and Sean Deason. great stuff guys... -Original Message- From: detroit science [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 2:13 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] industrial vs. hip hop a conversation that started between dave the wave dresden and i @ wmc this year centered around how people got into the scene, and i started an informal poll while i was down there. ratio? about 60% industrial, 40% hip hop. and one - neither. neither? his answer - heavy metal. hmmm but those 2 avenues do seem to be the way that just about everyone got into the scene. any other neithers? me? hey, i can goth dance with the best of 'em... the screwing in the light bulb... the killing the cockroach... and of course the oh no the sun. g mailing list http://www.onelist.com/community/detroitscience science office 313-534-7420 science fax 313-534-5155 mobile 313-790-7300 pager 800-200-5176 www.detroitscience.com Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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twas written: learned alot from that CD. I still have a copy. and i am looking for a copy on vinyl. The Claude Young, K-Hand, Stacy Pullen, and Shake tracks are pure genius. I have tried and tried to get it on vinyl and have been told that it isn't available on vinyl and that it wasn't even pressed. I want that damned excellent K.Hand track on vinyl. I still can't figure out the end of the sample. 'come on now baby ...?can't u see that i..? Shouldn't matter what it's saying but for years i've been curious. :) Emma mee-thod
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a conversation that started between dave the wave dresden and i @ wmc this year centered around how people got into the scene, and i started an informal poll while i was down there. ratio? about 60% industrial, 40% hip hop. and one - neither. neither? his answer - heavy metal. hmmm Ha! I was going to write a facetious post referencing the Krokus and Dokken diss (I admit I was down with these guys as well as Saxon and Manowar) a few days back as far as industrial and influence. I have been surprised by the extent of love for industrial 313 has. Industrial was what made me take so long to come around to loving this musicTo me, it's everything detroit isn't; angsty, soulless, and whiny, plus the sounds stink. the funk just ain't there. It seems some of the biggest detroit names love(d) it so I'm obviously not correct on this, but industrial and trance are the only genres in any type of music I've never found a redeeming quality inI came around to techno thru ambient groups and crossover bands like My Bloody Valentine. my boring 2 cents -jason GMOrecords http://www.genmod.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I believe you's lookin' for the CD reissues..? are you purposely trying to give me a heartattack?!! what label??? sean gotta stop living in the 80's deason ... they would be put out by LTM ... under their Black Box Series... The one _I_ really need is the Section 25-Live In America Europe 1982 which was originally intended as an official Factory release but now sees the light of day as a limited edition of 500 copies... n.p.: The Final Concert- Marvin Gaye, J. E. v. F-B. B.
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In a message dated 5/25/00 8:40:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: a conversation that started between dave the wave dresden and i @ wmc this year centered around how people got into the scene, and i started an informal poll while i was down there. ratio? about 60% industrial, 40% hip hop. I don't see how anybody, fan or producer, can come into techno via hip-hop. Except for Shake. Techno, at least Detroit Techno, is the antithesis of hip-hop to me, Ghettotech notwithstanding =\ The Depeche Mode/Kraftwerk-into-Industrial-into-Techno progression I can see though. == Play Loud. Spin Hard. Log On. www.puresonikrecords.net
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I don't see how anybody, fan or producer, can come into techno via hip-hop. Speedy J? Ben Sims? (not sure about Ben...)
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I don't see how anybody, fan or producer, can come into techno via hip-hop. ummm, actually it was a little bit more of a general scene question than specifically techno - more dance music in general. and, i realize that breaking it down to industrial or hip hop oversimplified the issue, but i wasn't interested in 25-point essay answers while screaming into someone's ear at level. unless of course, i was trying to scope out some cleavage, in which case she could has yelled in my ear all night long. :^) woof woof. g Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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best mutation of hip-hop IMO is dig it by skinny puppy. i confess i've been a fan since the remission ep... if i'm asked i'll totally disavow any knowledge of this admission. ;) sanderson Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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Indie music; New Order, Primal scream, Andy Weatherall, and (you're all gonna hate me for this one) Oakenfold's remixes of the Happy Mondays. That and seeing Orbital live for the first time. Oh and I'm from liverpool, so I shouldn't miss out Groovy Train by The Farm, ...ha ha ha Not as unusual as your route, James. Just one question; Which habit is more expensive? Seth Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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So far no one has mentioned what to me is one of the most overlooked bands ever: Propaganda! A German outfit that put out two albums on Trevor Horn's ZTT (including a remix album, Wishful Thinking) in the mid-80s and did the song Dr Mabuse. This record still sounds ace. And they had industrial/techno overtones! The sleeve notes, concepts, artwork, everything are amazing. I just found their remix album (the remixes are called 'disturbdances') by chance a few weeks ago in a second-hand record store and could hardly contain myself. I play their stuff all the time!!
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i picked up a vinyl copy last month at sonic groove in new york. i was quite surprised. i too had been told there was no vinyl release. but now i know better. just love that kosmic messenger track. i also like it that the claude young track was recorded in australia. james Emma Groube [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 05/25/2000 10:37:02 PM To: FC3 Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: 'detroit science' [EMAIL PROTECTED], '313@hyperreal.org' 313@hyperreal.org (bcc: James Bucknell/Magazines/Hearst) Subject: RE: [313] industrial vs. hip hop and Astrelwerks twas written: learned alot from that CD. I still have a copy. and i am looking for a copy on vinyl. The Claude Young, K-Hand, Stacy Pullen, and Shake tracks are pure genius. I have tried and tried to get it on vinyl and have been told that it isn't available on vinyl and that it wasn't even pressed. I want that damned excellent K.Hand track on vinyl. I still can't figure out the end of the sample. 'come on now baby ...?can't u see that i..? Shouldn't matter what it's saying but for years i've been curious. :) Emma mee-thod - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I really like this, can we have a seven degreees of Techno game? I choose Punk Hardcore. I was in Germany at a giant open air fest called Strange Noise in the Black Forest in Germany to see a couple Hardcore bands (Snapcase and Rikers I believe) The first night was a big silly rave party. I know quite a few kids in Detroit who were into punk throughout their teens and suddenly got into techno. None of us liked ravers though. I think it had something to do with the beats. Don't forget that Motor used to be the Falcon Club, one of my favorite places to be during high school. And theres a semi-fabled history at St. Andrews for both music forms. The more I think about it the more similarities pop up. ___ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp
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From: Tom Lawton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 Detroit Techno Mailing List 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] industrial vs. hip hop and Astrelwerks Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 20:18:35 +0100 In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] messed around with filters and compression to make the sounds now known as: I don't see how anybody, fan or producer, can come into techno via hip-hop. Speedy J? Ben Sims? (not sure about Ben...) Dave Clarke was a hip-hop DJ before he turned to all things techno, and that'd definately explain his wikkid turntablesque skills of late. TTFN, -- Tom Lawton ICQ:21604785 A penny saved is ridiculous - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Autechre have also cited hip hop as their earliest influence, esp. Mantronix and the Mantronik produced Just Ice album. Title of this one escapes me. Was it Back To the Old School? One of my adolescence hallmarks (among others ;) ), listening to that stuff... Jorge www.mp3.com/milkish Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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are you purposely trying to give me a heartattack?!! what label??? sean gotta stop living in the 80's deason John Bush wrote: Section 25's Looking From The Hilltops still a fav of mine. I don't think they're out on LP, but all the Section 25 albums have been reissued on CD with bonus tracks. The reissue of From The Hip has two remixes of Looking from a Hilltop plus six mixes of other songs. .John. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- sean deason matrix records p.o. box 343 dearborn, mi 48121-0343 ph/fax: 313.582.3410 cell: 313.522.3505 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] profile: seandeason.metrotimes.com
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Anybody remember Code Industry, the Black industrialists from Detroit who were on Antler-Subway back in '90 ? I do! :) --Eric (too industrial for the techno crowd) (too techno for the industrial crowd) http://objektsynth.com
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In a message dated 5/24/00 8:33:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: are you purposely trying to give me a heartattack?!! what label??? sean gotta stop living in the 80's deason Section 25 Looking From The Hilltops- Factory The same label New Order recorded for. Steve
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For me the 'front by front' concert was a change of life...till now it is one of the best things i have ever seen in my whole short life (and autechre live...). this whole ceremoney when they came on stage, who...it is a strange comparison but it felt like..eh war. flaslights going over your head, loud sounds, smoke everywhere. i wasn't used to this. i only saw the videoclip 'quite unusual' only once and then this...my friends didn't got it. they where stil listening to madonna and other top 40 stuff. i really had this idea that living in a 'bladerunner setting' would be like this. and the best thing is, when i was in detroit and stoped by at submerge and met mad mike, he was like...'back in the days, i was listening to front 242' and i was like 'me to, me to!!!' best day of my life... we will never stop! B - Out (who saw Einsturtzende Neubauten last night...:-) ) Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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I went to see front 242 on their 'Front by Front' tour as well and got completley blown anway by them. The sounds and lights...boom, in your face! i thought this couldn't be better but then two years later i went to see them on the 'tyranny for you' tour and this was even better. They got rid of their 'combat-style' and changed their stage-show and clothing into some cyber-welcome to the future-looking style, wich looked really, really cool, way ahead of their time...we are talking about 1991 here! Headhunter still rocks..so does Masterhit.. Martijn (who's going to play a lot of Front 242 when he get's home)
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Haye! Headhunter still rocks..so does Masterhit.. Martijn (who's going to play a lot of Front 242 when he get's home) *** I used to hear to some industrial myself, and some pop stuff that had some of the same edge, like Nitzer-Ebb and similar, but the one that realy does it for me is Front 242's Headhunter. I didn't knew Front 242 at the time, but for you guys to get an idea I used to like Nitzer-Ebbs That Total Age by the time everybody listened to Snap's Don't believe the hype (yep, that's just the the song you're thinking about) *** It allways felt to me that it had a sense of constant pursual of power and manifestation of strength. Which seems to have had a direct influence in the Techno that came after UR's appearance. *** One: you lock the target... Lay Um Império Tecnológico consolidado pela Necessidade http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org Date: Thursday, 25 May 2000 17:00 Subject: Re: [313] industrial In a message dated 5/24/00 8:33:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: are you purposely trying to give me a heartattack?!! what label??? sean gotta stop living in the 80's deason Section 25 Looking From The Hilltops- Factory The same label New Order recorded for. yeah there were 2 diffrent versions of it one on fac 90 and fac 108 the megamix)(which is the one to go for imo) e,r
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Alright, I've gotta get in on this. On last week's show (Equinox), I mixed in 12 remix of 242's Tyranny For You, on top of Mills Circus, and it actually sounded pretty good. This week I dug out the instrumental version of Murderous by Nitzer Ebb (check it out @ 42mins in) http://www.theiceberg.com/cgi-bin/1groove/playshow.cgi?equinox First 242 concert: In support of Official Version late 80's at small basement club called Nut's Bolt's. They had their industrial wasteland set up - all their electronic gear + various metallic objects; including a 6'x6' sheet of metal hanging from the low ceiling which Richard 23 would turn around and start wailing on with whatever he could get his hands on. They also had an oil drum flipped upside down, which was used for additional percussion + the grand finale - the old grinder into the side shooting sparks everywhere. Cheers, Gerald.
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'That Total Age' by Nitzer Ebb is also a killer-album, i really like the energy of it. This band, together with 242, Skinny Puppy, Revolting Cocks and Frontline Assembly (Code Industry as well;) opend a whole new world for me, it was the music that i had been looking for, something to replace the daily terror of hearing stuff like Snap ;). Techno came along but i never turned my back on industrial (although i prefer to call it electronic music nowadays) and i sometimes listen to some of the recent stuff by Frontline Assembly (who i think absolutely rock!) or VNV Nation, make's a change in hearing non-vocal techno all the time ;) *Let your Body Learn!!! Martijn
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FLA, along with Skinny Puppy and Front 242 started my interest in fully electronic music. I preferred FLA and Front 242 for their purer electronic sound, while I just loved SP's rabid harshness. But FLA now? Taken several rather severe steps back if you ask me. Can't listen to their last, I dunno, 5 albums! (Rhys Fulber left a while back didn't he?) And I mean, how bad are Delerium now?? Their first album (though not Industrial, mind you it did have a few clangs here and there!) was amazing. Especially Hidden Mask, a real tear jerker. Industrial's bright days are long long gone! Cheers, Dan http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1267/index.html http://www.mp3.com/DanButler -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 2:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] industrial 'That Total Age' by Nitzer Ebb is also a killer-album, i really like the energy of it. This band, together with 242, Skinny Puppy, Revolting Cocks and Frontline Assembly (Code Industry as well;) opend a whole new world for me, it was the music that i had been looking for, something to replace the daily terror of hearing stuff like Snap ;). Techno came along but i never turned my back on industrial (although i prefer to call it electronic music nowadays) and i sometimes listen to some of the recent stuff by Frontline Assembly (who i think absolutely rock!) or VNV Nation, make's a change in hearing non-vocal techno all the time ;) *Let your Body Learn!!! Martijn - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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And again some old stories... when the first backcatalogue came out (1988?) there was this live version of 'take one' on it. recorded, i believe, in detroit (or chocago?) and i wondered why in gods name the would play in detroit...well we all know the answer, don't we?! Oh and that live version really, and i say really (g'damm), rocks!!! my 242 cents B - Out Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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Tyranny For You @ the Riviera was my first concert ever! That was quite an experience. To be in the place where in case you didn't feel like showing up was shot, and to be overwhelmed with all of the goth/industrial freaks in Chicago at the time was pretty mind-blowing when I was 16. Of course, had to have my first clubbing experience (not including teen-night @ the Nectarine Ballroom in Junior high) at Medusa's the night before that. I remember recogninzing nothing they played except for 808 State, Black Box and Nitzer Ebb, but loved the rest of the house music. At that point my exposure to house was limited to the Pet Shop Boys Introspective and Black Box. Never turned back after that trip. Tristan --- bart wolff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For me the 'front by front' concert was a change of life...till now it is one of the best things i have ever seen in my whole short life (and autechre live...). this whole ceremoney when they came on stage, who...it is a strange comparison but it felt like..eh war. flaslights going over your head, loud sounds, smoke everywhere. i wasn't used to this. i only saw the videoclip 'quite unusual' only once and then this...my friends didn't got it. they where stil listening to madonna and other top 40 stuff. i really had this idea that living in a 'bladerunner setting' would be like this. and the best thing is, when i was in detroit and stoped by at submerge and met mad mike, he was like...'back in the days, i was listening to front 242' and i was like 'me to, me to!!!' best day of my life... we will never stop! B - Out (who saw Einsturtzende Neubauten last night...:-) ) Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/
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Hey all you technosnobs, Now that I think about it Front 242 was my introduction to techno as well...although it was Tyranny for You, that and Lords of Acid Lust which sent me on the path of Rave...it was a fun little journey that ultimately led to my personal discovery of Detroit a few years back... At any rate, I've got a friend that's curious If any of you ever heard of The Elephant Table album (Pre 85 Industrial compilation apparently) and if so thoughts, opinions, memories? cheers matt
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Hey all you technosnobs, Now that I think about it Front 242 was my introduction to techno as well...although it was Tyranny for You, that and Lords of Acid Lust which sent me on the path of Rave...it was a fun little journey that ultimately led to my personal discovery of Detroit a few years back... same herebut i was all about that waxtrax black box set, then haujobbbut by then i was already raving MUSCLEMUSCLE AND HATE v Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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I think you'd have to include what I affectionately call the beepy euro-fag genre. A lot of the gay club scene moved towards house, trance and techno in the 90s (before I get flamed I know there were many gay clubs representing deeper sounds), and there seems to be some crossover in attendance between straight and gay dance clubs, but it would seem to me that many people, straight or gay, started out listening to the New Order, DM, Erasure, Anything Box, etc sound on the radio or 120 minutes, then moved into trance, or house from there via remixes and clubbing (francois K and Marc Kinchen anyone???), sometimes leading to a discovery of techno. Tristan --- detroit science [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a conversation that started between dave the wave dresden and i @ wmc this year centered around how people got into the scene, and i started an informal poll while i was down there. ratio? about 60% industrial, 40% hip hop. and one - neither. neither? his answer - heavy metal. hmmm but those 2 avenues do seem to be the way that just about everyone got into the scene. any other neithers? me? hey, i can goth dance with the best of 'em... the screwing in the light bulb... the killing the cockroach... and of course the oh no the sun. g mailing list http://www.onelist.com/community/detroitscience science office 313-534-7420 science fax 313-534-5155 mobile 313-790-7300 pager 800-200-5176 www.detroitscience.com Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/
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neither--heroin got me into the scene. in 1987 i overcame a four year heroin adiction. but even after the withdrawls were over i couldn't sleep at night. so to keep myself entertained and my mind off other matters i went out to dance clubs. they were playing house music and i pretty much swapped one addiction for another. james detroit science [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 05/25/2000 05:12:43 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org cc:(bcc: James Bucknell/Magazines/Hearst) Subject: [313] industrial vs. hip hop a conversation that started between dave the wave dresden and i @ wmc this year centered around how people got into the scene, and i started an informal poll while i was down there. ratio? about 60% industrial, 40% hip hop. and one - neither. neither? his answer - heavy metal. hmmm but those 2 avenues do seem to be the way that just about everyone got into the scene. any other neithers? me? hey, i can goth dance with the best of 'em... the screwing in the light bulb... the killing the cockroach... and of course the oh no the sun. g
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-Original Message- From: Matt Holland [EMAIL PROTECTED] At any rate, I've got a friend that's curious If any of you ever heard of The Elephant Table album (Pre 85 Industrial compilation apparently) and if so thoughts, opinions, memories? yes it's a compilation done by Dave Henderson(who used to write about electronic music for uk weekly Sound,he also had his own label calleddead mans curve,(which started the GTO guys,but thats another story) anyway it came out on XTRACT records in 83,and had all the who's who of electronick scene(what was industrial music,b4 ppl in the us started to call Wax Trax-EBM stuff - industrial) from memory the lp had (coil,ChrisCosey,Lustmord,Muslimgauze,Portion Control, 400 Blows,Legendary pink Dots,Nurse With Wound etc etc etc) it was called that cause they had a table with elephent legs on the cover(which was done by Nurse with wound guys) hope this helps e,r
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In a message dated 5/24/00 1:24:03 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: AO, what have you got to say about old industrial stuff from way back when? I used to love industrial. Every summer in the mid-80's during the big Chicago Comicon (this was when I was a comic artist), we'd drive out to the old Wax Trax record shop in Chicago to get the new industrial wax. I was into Ministry, Front 242, Revolting Cocks, all of the Jourgensen/Barker side projects (Lead Into Gold, 1000 Homo DJs, etc.) My radio station got sent all the Wax Trax stuff too, so I kept up with all of it. Nettwerk was big with me too, with Skinny Puppy, Severed Heads and Moev (their first album). I interviewed Severed Heads. Nerds ! I used to play Single Gun Theory every week on my show, that was a fave. Those Stephen R. Gilmore album covers ! Every so often, I'd find the original European/Australian label copies of most of this stuff in different record shops. It was exciting because the track listings and art differed from territory to territory. For instance, the Red Rhino version of Front 242's Official Version was different from the Wax Trax pressing, which was different from the final Sony repress. Now with the EU and FedEx/DHL/UPS, and the advent of CDs all records are the same, everywhere. And with the Net, you can find anything. Aside: Does anyone have a copy of Baby Ford Ford Trax 2x12 on Rhythm King they wanna sell me ? I was a big fan of Factory, too, they were known for that. There are like a zillion different versions of Unknown Pleasures by Joy Division. I still have Section 25 Looking From a Hilltop (UK pressing), woefully out-of-print. A Certain Ratio's back catalogue was repressed a few years back by the late Creation label though. Front 242 was the direct influence for Underground Resistance. I was the opening DJ when they came to St. Andrews on their Front by Front tour, and Mills was there. They were straight-up terroriSoon after, Riot EP. Anybody remember Code Industry, the Black industrialists from Detroit who were on Antler-Subway back in '90 ? Well, before that, they were Code Assault, and they were on my label, Technika. That's how they got that deal. It was the first time I got fucked over in the music business, but not the last. Jeff did a b-side industrial remix on them for me that was the shit in its day. I haven't listened to it in ages. Blah Blah Blah. Alan
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Hey Alan, You just unlocked a canister of memories. I still have most of those records you mentioned in my collection. I remember Code Industries. Section 25's Looking From The Hilltops still a fav of mine. Damn! Steve
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Section 25's Looking From The Hilltops still a fav of mine. I don't think they're out on LP, but all the Section 25 albums have been reissued on CD with bonus tracks. The reissue of From The Hip has two remixes of Looking from a Hilltop plus six mixes of other songs. .John.
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I do... you may want to check out Autechre's first EP Cavity job for a fine example of excellent samples + fine line between techno and industrial BTW... Gwendal -Original Message- From: FC3 Richards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 5:50 PM To: '313@hyperreal.org' Subject: [313] industrial i was wondering if anyone else out there listens to industrial. stuff like ministry, NIN (there is the 2 biggies), front line assembly, skinny puppy, etc. i realize it isn't much for dance music, but some of the samples that they used back in the day are dope...just curious jeff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
