Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?
hello sir, thank you for your beautiful tips with best regards m.chandru - Original Message - From: "prateek aggarwal" To: "accessindia" Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? Refraining myself from commenting on any analogy, I think that its now vital to find some feasible solutions/tips/methods to deal with this challenge. Regardless of whatever we believe on the requirement of a fix escort, it’s a matter of fact that not each one of us can avail a fix escort in many situations, due to various factors that come into play. Keeping this in consideration, it can be fruitful if we can mutually discuss the ideas of how to deal in these situations, I.E. how to effectively manage in conferences/seminars with blindness, specifically with severe vision loss. I’ve been fortunate enough that i’ve attended a good number of conferences at different places, both in India as well as other countries. There were occasions when I did not have fix escort with me, so here are some generic tips I can put forward, based on my personal experiences. 1. keep the contact numbers of organizers handy, and use them in case of any doubts/problems you find while locating the place. 2. if you are using autos, taxies etc to reach the destination, try if you can use the driver as your temporary escort for finding the registration desk or inquiry counter. While most of the drivers will voluntarily help you, you can offer him/her some extra bugs for helping you getting in if required. 3. once you get seated there, its usually a good idea to foster communication with the people sitting near to you, preferably those sitting in your row, or adjacent. Once a networking has been made they would help you by them selves, without you needing to try hard for asking for help. Though, its equally important to not get over excited/ambitious. While some will happily help you, there’s always a danger of contempt if you do not approach in right way. 4. actively participate! It may sound strange, but I’ve learned from my personal experiences that the people who participate actively get more recognized in comparison to others. So if you are actively contributing in the topics, you will more likely be known to fellow participants and faculties, and consequently engender better associations while roaming during the event, in break times, or otherwise. 5. unless its prohibited, it’s usually a good idea to carry a water bottle with you, so that you can minimize the help to ask for. 6. in a situation when you have not been able to foster significant networking with people, ask the organizers to arrange your lunch, tea, refreshments etc. usually, the organizers will arrange someone from their staff to take care of your needs. In my personal opinion, its better to approach organizers rather anyone generic for keeping dignity perspective in mind, especially if you haven’t been able to build significant networking. 7. its important to understand that you are not losing your dignity by just asking for help to someone for something. Its never an odd thing to take help, as long as you are courteous enough in your approach. 8. believe it or not, your way of interaction, sense of humer, dressing sense and the body language are some of the other factors which may determine your networking perspective, associations, connection and interaction with the conference participants. Try not to look troubled, even when you are finding it difficult to cope up In lunch or break time. A worried body language will present your inability, while a confident, energetic and smiling face will magnetize people to come and interact with you, and produce curio about how do you manage being that bubbly. Its also important to have sense of humer as well as knowledge of various topics in order to further the conversation. 9. Despite of whatever you’ve tried, its sometimes not viable to arrange a pool of people with you. In such situations, its important to love your own company when you have noone else around to converse. Carrying educational/entertaining stuff in mobile phones, ipods etc for such times can be a wise solution. 10. every moment is a learning experience. The more such events you will attend, the more comfortable you’ll get with them. What’s required is to believe in yourself, accept your limitations, and don’t get frustrated in times when you feel like helpless. The roam was not built in a day, and your skills won’t get either. Keep learning, and you’ll eventually be enjoying the conferences, seminars etc. Needless mentioning, the tips above are those which I could suggest after my personal experiences. Like I’ve been keep saying, each one of us has got a different set of challenges, and different set of skills and ideas to deal with them. What works best for you might not work for others, and vice versa. My purpose of sharing these tips is not to
Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?
Good Prateek. Of course, I have been actually following all these while doing many things in my life. And have even some more to suggest. However, Now, for a moment, let us take up the basic issue which brought this issue forth. If any event is organized for the blind, are the organizers justified in imposing the condition of mobility without escort, particularly when it is well known that volunteers are conspicuous by their absence at such events? Such imposition can be direct, or indirect by their tone and manner. For my personal work, I may take N number of risks and move out unaided when required, but why should I do so for a social event, that too under duress? In fine, I contend that an escort is a reasonable requirement for a totally blind person, and it is unjust to prohibit it, if the person requires it. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of prateek aggarwal Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 11:15 AM To: accessindia Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? Refraining myself from commenting on any analogy, I think that its now vital to find some feasible solutions/tips/methods to deal with this challenge. Regardless of whatever we believe on the requirement of a fix escort, it's a matter of fact that not each one of us can avail a fix escort in many situations, due to various factors that come into play. Keeping this in consideration, it can be fruitful if we can mutually discuss the ideas of how to deal in these situations, I.E. how to effectively manage in conferences/seminars with blindness, specifically with severe vision loss. I've been fortunate enough that i've attended a good number of conferences at different places, both in India as well as other countries. There were occasions when I did not have fix escort with me, so here are some generic tips I can put forward, based on my personal experiences. 1. keep the contact numbers of organizers handy, and use them in case of any doubts/problems you find while locating the place. 2. if you are using autos, taxies etc to reach the destination, try if you can use the driver as your temporary escort for finding the registration desk or inquiry counter. While most of the drivers will voluntarily help you, you can offer him/her some extra bugs for helping you getting in if required. 3. once you get seated there, its usually a good idea to foster communication with the people sitting near to you, preferably those sitting in your row, or adjacent. Once a networking has been made they would help you by them selves, without you needing to try hard for asking for help. Though, its equally important to not get over excited/ambitious. While some will happily help you, there's always a danger of contempt if you do not approach in right way. 4. actively participate! It may sound strange, but I've learned from my personal experiences that the people who participate actively get more recognized in comparison to others. So if you are actively contributing in the topics, you will more likely be known to fellow participants and faculties, and consequently engender better associations while roaming during the event, in break times, or otherwise. 5. unless its prohibited, it's usually a good idea to carry a water bottle with you, so that you can minimize the help to ask for. 6. in a situation when you have not been able to foster significant networking with people, ask the organizers to arrange your lunch, tea, refreshments etc. usually, the organizers will arrange someone from their staff to take care of your needs. In my personal opinion, its better to approach organizers rather anyone generic for keeping dignity perspective in mind, especially if you haven't been able to build significant networking. 7. its important to understand that you are not losing your dignity by just asking for help to someone for something. Its never an odd thing to take help, as long as you are courteous enough in your approach. 8. believe it or not, your way of interaction, sense of humer, dressing sense and the body language are some of the other factors which may determine your networking perspective, associations, connection and interaction with the conference participants. Try not to look troubled, even when you are finding it difficult to cope up In lunch or break time. A worried body language will present your inability, while a confident, energetic and smiling face will magnetize people to come and interact with you, and produce curio about how do you manage being that bubbly. Its also important to have sense of humer as well as knowledge of various topics in order to further the conversation. 9. Despite of whatever you've tried, its sometimes not viable to arrange a pool of people with you. In such situations, its important to love your own company whe
Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?
please don't expect anything from social welfare department. i know many sighted people who got degrees and diploma on braille and mobility training. but, they don't know braille and white cane. still they are serving as a blind trained teacher in blind schools. in govt. blind schools you only need a certificate of blind trained and 3 to 4 lacs rupees for appointment. here i can refer a case, where for the computer instructor, a sighted girl was qualified for the post by an interview board, because she was knowing all the keyboard commands. but, some other person has got appointment and fortunate he don't know anything on computer, just owing a diploma. - Original Message - From: "Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan" To: Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 3:14 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? So in a nut shell, occasional usage of escort is okay and to certain extent even unavoidable. But complete reliability on escorts for everything is undesirable and it can simply destroy ones ability to move around independently. One conclusion out of this discussion is very clear though. There is a lack of systematic training in India related to Cane usage and it's hi time that we demand from states and other organizations working on visually challenged population to make mobility training to be a mandatory one. Much like brail training. It's the high time that social welfare department goes beyond simple distribution of white canes and dark glasses. Vetri. On 02/10/2011, Rahul Bajaj wrote: Hi all, In my opinion, the only problem with an escort is that it's very, very difficult to find a sincere and a sensible person who is willing to do this job. Many people find this job to be extremely boring, and I don't entirely blame them for it. Apart from this, I, for one, have never faced any major problems with using an escort. Of course, on some occasions, the escort may not be available when you need him, but many sighted people also have to face many problems when their driver or assistant is not available. On 01/10/2011, Rachel Singh wrote: hi, someone has rightly said, 'life is a journey complete it' but this journey cannot be completed without any assistance at all, and Raheem long back answered in simple words 'Jahan kaam ave sui, kahan kare talwar' meaning where, there is work of a needle, there sword cannot be used. Same thing is applicable other way round. Thus mobility with or without escort depends upon; choice, resources, confidence, effort and ability. Everyone requires some assistance or help whether he be sighted or visual impaired person. anand sharma - Original Message - From: "Raghavendra .G" To: Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? Hi friends, this is raghavendra from karnataka, Some of the placess Really we need a escort for instancess While walking through mud and bad roads connected towards villages you may find Reptiles. We should careful by that time. this is my experience,. On 10/1/11, Ajay Minocha wrote: very well said Amit sir please don't mind but have you visited to cities like simla mansuri? if you were able to walk there independently then please shair some tips specially regarding mobility in those hill stations regards On 10/1/11, George Abraham wrote: That is an interesting analogy! - Original Message ----- From: "anil joshi" To: Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 4:29 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? grate sir ! I salute you. On 9/30/11, Amit Bhatt wrote: IN my final statement and opinion, The Juices and fruits are vital for human body to get nutrition's and vitamins but nothing can beet the importance of plane water. In the above example, juices and fruits are escort and water is our independent mobility. I hope the meaning of above lines should be understood by all without being baffled for that matter. The necessity of an escort is occasional and temporary but the necessity and importance of our own independent mobility is permanent. that's it. Regards, Amit Bhat - Original Message - From: "BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA" To: Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? what to do, if escort is not available? is their any solution? or one has to move alone. please come with the solution, i think that the theme has gone from its subject. ----- Original Message - From: "Ajay Minocha" To: Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? I totally agree with cheten sir in small cities it is quite difficult for visually impaired to walk independently not just because of stray animals but because of poor conditions of roads also additionally in rainy season the conditions become worse you have a large am
Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?
So in a nut shell, occasional usage of escort is okay and to certain extent even unavoidable. But complete reliability on escorts for everything is undesirable and it can simply destroy ones ability to move around independently. One conclusion out of this discussion is very clear though. There is a lack of systematic training in India related to Cane usage and it's hi time that we demand from states and other organizations working on visually challenged population to make mobility training to be a mandatory one. Much like brail training. It's the high time that social welfare department goes beyond simple distribution of white canes and dark glasses. Vetri. On 02/10/2011, Rahul Bajaj wrote: > Hi all, > > In my opinion, the only problem with an escort is that it's very, very > difficult to find a sincere and a sensible person who is willing to do > this job. > Many people find this job to be extremely boring, and I don't entirely > blame them for it. > Apart from this, I, for one, have never faced any major problems with > using an escort. > Of course, on some occasions, the escort may not be available when you > need him, but many sighted people also have to face many problems when > their driver or assistant is not available. > > On 01/10/2011, Rachel Singh wrote: >> hi, >> >> someone has rightly said, 'life is a journey complete it' but this journey >> cannot be completed without any assistance at all, and Raheem long back >> answered in simple words 'Jahan kaam ave sui, kahan kare talwar' meaning >> where, there is work of a needle, there sword cannot be used. Same thing >> is >> applicable other way round. Thus mobility with or without escort depends >> upon; choice, resources, confidence, effort and ability. Everyone requires >> some assistance or help whether he be sighted or visual impaired person. >> >> anand sharma >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Raghavendra .G" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 12:49 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >> >> >>> Hi friends, this is raghavendra from karnataka, Some of the placess >>> Really we need a escort for instancess While walking through mud and >>> bad roads connected towards villages you may find Reptiles. We should >>> careful by that time. this is my experience,. >>> >>> >>> On 10/1/11, Ajay Minocha wrote: >>>> very well said Amit sir >>>> please don't mind but have you visited to cities like simla mansuri? >>>> if you were able to walk there independently then please shair some >>>> tips specially regarding mobility in those hill stations >>>> regards >>>> >>>> On 10/1/11, George Abraham wrote: >>>>> That is an interesting analogy! >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> From: "anil joshi" >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 4:29 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> grate sir ! >>>>> I salute you. >>>>> >>>>> On 9/30/11, Amit Bhatt wrote: >>>>>> IN my final statement and opinion, The Juices and fruits are vital for >>>>>> human >>>>>> body to get nutrition's and vitamins but nothing can beet the >>>>>> importance >>>>>> of >>>>>> plane water. >>>>>> In the above example, juices and fruits are escort and water is our >>>>>> independent mobility. >>>>>> I hope the meaning of above lines should be understood by all without >>>>>> being >>>>>> baffled for that matter. >>>>>> The necessity of an escort is occasional and temporary but the >>>>>> necessity >>>>>> and >>>>>> importance of our own independent mobility is permanent. >>>>>> that's it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Amit Bhat >>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>> From: "BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA" >>>>>> To: >>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 7:06 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> what to do, if escort is not available? is their any solution? or one >>&g
Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?
Hi all, In my opinion, the only problem with an escort is that it's very, very difficult to find a sincere and a sensible person who is willing to do this job. Many people find this job to be extremely boring, and I don't entirely blame them for it. Apart from this, I, for one, have never faced any major problems with using an escort. Of course, on some occasions, the escort may not be available when you need him, but many sighted people also have to face many problems when their driver or assistant is not available. On 01/10/2011, Rachel Singh wrote: > hi, > > someone has rightly said, 'life is a journey complete it' but this journey > cannot be completed without any assistance at all, and Raheem long back > answered in simple words 'Jahan kaam ave sui, kahan kare talwar' meaning > where, there is work of a needle, there sword cannot be used. Same thing is > applicable other way round. Thus mobility with or without escort depends > upon; choice, resources, confidence, effort and ability. Everyone requires > some assistance or help whether he be sighted or visual impaired person. > > anand sharma > > > - Original Message - > From: "Raghavendra .G" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 12:49 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? > > >> Hi friends, this is raghavendra from karnataka, Some of the placess >> Really we need a escort for instancess While walking through mud and >> bad roads connected towards villages you may find Reptiles. We should >> careful by that time. this is my experience,. >> >> >> On 10/1/11, Ajay Minocha wrote: >>> very well said Amit sir >>> please don't mind but have you visited to cities like simla mansuri? >>> if you were able to walk there independently then please shair some >>> tips specially regarding mobility in those hill stations >>> regards >>> >>> On 10/1/11, George Abraham wrote: >>>> That is an interesting analogy! >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "anil joshi" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 4:29 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >>>> >>>> >>>> grate sir ! >>>> I salute you. >>>> >>>> On 9/30/11, Amit Bhatt wrote: >>>>> IN my final statement and opinion, The Juices and fruits are vital for >>>>> human >>>>> body to get nutrition's and vitamins but nothing can beet the >>>>> importance >>>>> of >>>>> plane water. >>>>> In the above example, juices and fruits are escort and water is our >>>>> independent mobility. >>>>> I hope the meaning of above lines should be understood by all without >>>>> being >>>>> baffled for that matter. >>>>> The necessity of an escort is occasional and temporary but the >>>>> necessity >>>>> and >>>>> importance of our own independent mobility is permanent. >>>>> that's it. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Amit Bhat >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> From: "BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA" >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 7:06 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> what to do, if escort is not available? is their any solution? or one >>>>>> has >>>>>> to move alone. please come with the solution, i think that the theme >>>>>> has >>>>>> gone from its subject. >>>>>> >>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>> From: "Ajay Minocha" >>>>>> To: >>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 6:24 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>I totally agree with cheten sir >>>>>>> in small cities it is quite difficult for visually impaired to walk >>>>>>> independently >>>>>>> not just because of stray animals but because of poor conditions of >>>>>>> roads >>>>>>> >>>>>>> also >>>>>>> additionally in rainy season the conditions become worse >>>>>>> you have a large amount of peopl
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n. > > 9.Despite of whatever you’ve tried, its sometimes not viable to > arrange a pool of people with you. In such situations, its important > to love your own company when you have noone else around to converse. > Carrying educational/entertaining stuff in mobile phones, ipods etc > for such times can be a wise solution. > > > 10. every moment is a learning experience. The more such events you > will attend, the more comfortable you’ll get with them. What’s > required is to believe in yourself, accept your limitations, and don’t > get frustrated in times when you feel like helpless. > The roam was not built in a day, and your skills won’t get either. > Keep learning, and you’ll eventually be enjoying the conferences, > seminars etc. > > > Needless mentioning, the tips above are those which I could suggest > after my personal experiences. Like I’ve been keep saying, each one of > us has got a different set of challenges, and different set of skills > and ideas to deal with them. What works best for you might not work > for others, and vice versa. > > My purpose of sharing these tips is not to advice, but to set a > platform where others can give their tips, solutions, and ideas for > the general problems being faced by we people of blind community. > > I’m sure that your expert suggestions/advices will come useful to > many, including me. > > Regards, > Prateek agarwal. > Director, > Daedal technovations pvt. Ltd. > www.daedaltechnovations.com > > > website: > www.prateekagarwal.webs.com > | > www.prateekagarwal.tk > > -- Original message ---------- > From: "George Abraham" > To: > Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 07:53:59 +0530 > Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? > That is an interesting analogy! > - Original Message - > From: "anil joshi" < > artprat...@gmail.com> > To: < > accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 4:29 AM > Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? > > grate sir ! > I salute you. > > On 9/30/11, Amit Bhatt < > misterbh...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> IN my final statement and opinion, The Juices and fruits are vital for >> human >> body to get nutrition's and vitamins but nothing can beet the importance >> of >> plane water. >> In the above example, juices and fruits are escort and water is our >> independent mobility. >> I hope the meaning of above lines should be understood by all without >> being >> baffled for that matter. >> The necessity of an escort is occasional and temporary but the necessity >> and >> importance of our own independent mobility is permanent. >> that's it. >> >> Regards, >> >> Amit Bhat >> - Original Message - >> From: "BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA" < > bsvermad...@gmail.com> >> To: < > accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 7:06 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >> >> >>> what to do, if escort is not available? is their any solution? or one has >>> to move alone. please come with the solution, i think that the theme has >>> gone from its subject. >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Ajay Minocha" < > ajayminoc...@gmail.com> >>> To: < > accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 6:24 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >>> >>> >>>>I totally agree with cheten sir >>>> in small cities it is quite difficult for visually impaired to walk >>>> independently >>>> not just because of stray animals but because of poor conditions of >>>> roads >>>> >>>> also >>>> additionally in rainy season the conditions become worse >>>> you have a large amount of people laughing at you or gaising you with >>>> misterious faces >>>> I know it dos'nt metter for us but they do that with every blind person >>>> even if you go to sombodies house who lives in a village or small town >>>> they will not even let you go outside the home alone >>>> despite of knowing that you have a very good mobility >>>> regards >>>> >>>> On 9/30/11, Pankaj Kwatra < > pankaj.kwa...@tecnovate.co.in> > wrote: >>>>> Hello All, >>>>> >>>>> Prefer escort or assistance for outdoor and love to be independent >>>>> while >>>>> movi
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many, including me. Regards, Prateek agarwal. Director, Daedal technovations pvt. Ltd. www.daedaltechnovations.com website: www.prateekagarwal.webs.com | www.prateekagarwal.tk -- Original message -- From: "George Abraham" To: Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 07:53:59 +0530 Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? That is an interesting analogy! - Original Message - From: "anil joshi" < artprat...@gmail.com> To: < accessindia@accessindia.org.in> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 4:29 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? grate sir ! I salute you. On 9/30/11, Amit Bhatt < misterbh...@gmail.com> wrote: > IN my final statement and opinion, The Juices and fruits are vital for > human > body to get nutrition's and vitamins but nothing can beet the importance > of > plane water. > In the above example, juices and fruits are escort and water is our > independent mobility. > I hope the meaning of above lines should be understood by all without > being > baffled for that matter. > The necessity of an escort is occasional and temporary but the necessity > and > importance of our own independent mobility is permanent. > that's it. > > Regards, > > Amit Bhat > - Original Message - > From: "BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA" < bsvermad...@gmail.com> > To: < accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 7:06 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? > > >> what to do, if escort is not available? is their any solution? or one has >> to move alone. please come with the solution, i think that the theme has >> gone from its subject. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ajay Minocha" < ajayminoc...@gmail.com> >> To: < accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 6:24 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >> >> >>>I totally agree with cheten sir >>> in small cities it is quite difficult for visually impaired to walk >>> independently >>> not just because of stray animals but because of poor conditions of >>> roads >>> >>> also >>> additionally in rainy season the conditions become worse >>> you have a large amount of people laughing at you or gaising you with >>> misterious faces >>> I know it dos'nt metter for us but they do that with every blind person >>> even if you go to sombodies house who lives in a village or small town >>> they will not even let you go outside the home alone >>> despite of knowing that you have a very good mobility >>> regards >>> >>> On 9/30/11, Pankaj Kwatra < pankaj.kwa...@tecnovate.co.in> wrote: >>>> Hello All, >>>> >>>> Prefer escort or assistance for outdoor and love to be independent >>>> while >>>> moving indoor. External environment poses risk and condition of cities >>>> is known to all and would reiterate mobility can be different for low >>>> vision as compared to a completely blind person. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Pankaj >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>>> [mailto: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, >>>> Rajesh >>>> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 11:54 AM >>>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >>>> >>>> That's it. >>>> I suspect many of those who vote against any fixed escort despite >>>> availability/affordability/no privacy concerns, are partially blind, >>>> meaning that they are able to do some vital things visually. >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>>> [mailto: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of YADAV, D. >>>> N >>>> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 11:47 AM >>>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >>>> >>>> Mobility with 'fixed escort' or without one with your cane/no cane is >>>> like moving in a familiar world of your own & another unfamiliar to >>>> you. >>>> White cane can only be a safety tool to prevent your near fall but not >>>> a >>>> guide as u have to ask directions from others despite y
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I m from darjeeling a hilly region and let me also tell u dat we r not given any mobility training nor we have any special period during school. Not only me, but all boys and girls learn using cane and start moving indipendently after a certain age. I started dat in 1990 when i was in class 5. -original message- Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? From: Ajay Minocha Date: 01/10/2011 4:29 am very well said Amit sir please don't mind but have you visited to cities like simla mansuri? if you were able to walk there independently then please shair some tips specially regarding mobility in those hill stations regards On 10/1/11, George Abraham wrote: > That is an interesting analogy! > - Original Message - > From: "anil joshi" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 4:29 AM > Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? > > > grate sir ! > I salute you. > > On 9/30/11, Amit Bhatt wrote: >> IN my final statement and opinion, The Juices and fruits are vital for >> human >> body to get nutrition's and vitamins but nothing can beet the importance >> of >> plane water. >> In the above example, juices and fruits are escort and water is our >> independent mobility. >> I hope the meaning of above lines should be understood by all without >> being >> baffled for that matter. >> The necessity of an escort is occasional and temporary but the necessity >> and >> importance of our own independent mobility is permanent. >> that's it. >> >> Regards, >> >> Amit Bhat >> - Original Message - >> From: "BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 7:06 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >> >> >>> what to do, if escort is not available? is their any solution? or one has >>> to move alone. please come with the solution, i think that the theme has >>> gone from its subject. >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Ajay Minocha" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 6:24 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >>> >>> >>>>I totally agree with cheten sir >>>> in small cities it is quite difficult for visually impaired to walk >>>> independently >>>> not just because of stray animals but because of poor conditions of >>>> roads >>>> >>>> also >>>> additionally in rainy season the conditions become worse >>>> you have a large amount of people laughing at you or gaising you with >>>> misterious faces >>>> I know it dos'nt metter for us but they do that with every blind person >>>> even if you go to sombodies house who lives in a village or small town >>>> they will not even let you go outside the home alone >>>> despite of knowing that you have a very good mobility >>>> regards >>>> >>>> On 9/30/11, Pankaj Kwatra wrote: >>>>> Hello All, >>>>> >>>>> Prefer escort or assistance for outdoor and love to be independent >>>>> while >>>>> moving indoor. External environment poses risk and condition of cities >>>>> is known to all and would reiterate mobility can be different for low >>>>> vision as compared to a completely blind person. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Pankaj >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>>>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, >>>>> Rajesh >>>>> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 11:54 AM >>>>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >>>>> >>>>> That's it. >>>>> I suspect many of those who vote against any fixed escort despite >>>>> availability/affordability/no privacy concerns, are partially blind, >>>>> meaning that they are able to do some vital things visually. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>>>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of YADAV, D. >>>>> N >>>>> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 11:47 AM >>>>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >&
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hi, someone has rightly said, 'life is a journey complete it' but this journey cannot be completed without any assistance at all, and Raheem long back answered in simple words 'Jahan kaam ave sui, kahan kare talwar' meaning where, there is work of a needle, there sword cannot be used. Same thing is applicable other way round. Thus mobility with or without escort depends upon; choice, resources, confidence, effort and ability. Everyone requires some assistance or help whether he be sighted or visual impaired person. anand sharma - Original Message - From: "Raghavendra .G" To: Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? Hi friends, this is raghavendra from karnataka, Some of the placess Really we need a escort for instancess While walking through mud and bad roads connected towards villages you may find Reptiles. We should careful by that time. this is my experience,. On 10/1/11, Ajay Minocha wrote: very well said Amit sir please don't mind but have you visited to cities like simla mansuri? if you were able to walk there independently then please shair some tips specially regarding mobility in those hill stations regards On 10/1/11, George Abraham wrote: That is an interesting analogy! - Original Message - From: "anil joshi" To: Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 4:29 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? grate sir ! I salute you. On 9/30/11, Amit Bhatt wrote: IN my final statement and opinion, The Juices and fruits are vital for human body to get nutrition's and vitamins but nothing can beet the importance of plane water. In the above example, juices and fruits are escort and water is our independent mobility. I hope the meaning of above lines should be understood by all without being baffled for that matter. The necessity of an escort is occasional and temporary but the necessity and importance of our own independent mobility is permanent. that's it. Regards, Amit Bhat - Original Message - From: "BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA" To: Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? what to do, if escort is not available? is their any solution? or one has to move alone. please come with the solution, i think that the theme has gone from its subject. - Original Message - From: "Ajay Minocha" To: Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? I totally agree with cheten sir in small cities it is quite difficult for visually impaired to walk independently not just because of stray animals but because of poor conditions of roads also additionally in rainy season the conditions become worse you have a large amount of people laughing at you or gaising you with misterious faces I know it dos'nt metter for us but they do that with every blind person even if you go to sombodies house who lives in a village or small town they will not even let you go outside the home alone despite of knowing that you have a very good mobility regards On 9/30/11, Pankaj Kwatra wrote: Hello All, Prefer escort or assistance for outdoor and love to be independent while moving indoor. External environment poses risk and condition of cities is known to all and would reiterate mobility can be different for low vision as compared to a completely blind person. Cheers, Pankaj -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 11:54 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? That's it. I suspect many of those who vote against any fixed escort despite availability/affordability/no privacy concerns, are partially blind, meaning that they are able to do some vital things visually. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of YADAV, D. N Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 11:47 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? Mobility with 'fixed escort' or without one with your cane/no cane is like moving in a familiar world of your own & another unfamiliar to you. White cane can only be a safety tool to prevent your near fall but not a guide as u have to ask directions from others despite your cane. Recently I had been to a training programme from my office in different location. There everybody (as is vogue today) held his plate in one hand, put things of 5-6 types by his other & then took to eating on standing tables during lunch. I had to fumble my way to the queue starting with the plate point, often getting somebody to fill up with edibles & helping me to the standing table. Where I could a
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Hi friends, this is raghavendra from karnataka, Some of the placess Really we need a escort for instancess While walking through mud and bad roads connected towards villages you may find Reptiles. We should careful by that time. this is my experience,. On 10/1/11, Ajay Minocha wrote: > very well said Amit sir > please don't mind but have you visited to cities like simla mansuri? > if you were able to walk there independently then please shair some > tips specially regarding mobility in those hill stations > regards > > On 10/1/11, George Abraham wrote: >> That is an interesting analogy! >> - Original Message - >> From: "anil joshi" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 4:29 AM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >> >> >> grate sir ! >> I salute you. >> >> On 9/30/11, Amit Bhatt wrote: >>> IN my final statement and opinion, The Juices and fruits are vital for >>> human >>> body to get nutrition's and vitamins but nothing can beet the importance >>> of >>> plane water. >>> In the above example, juices and fruits are escort and water is our >>> independent mobility. >>> I hope the meaning of above lines should be understood by all without >>> being >>> baffled for that matter. >>> The necessity of an escort is occasional and temporary but the necessity >>> and >>> importance of our own independent mobility is permanent. >>> that's it. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Amit Bhat >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 7:06 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >>> >>> >>>> what to do, if escort is not available? is their any solution? or one >>>> has >>>> to move alone. please come with the solution, i think that the theme has >>>> gone from its subject. >>>> >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "Ajay Minocha" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 6:24 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >>>> >>>> >>>>>I totally agree with cheten sir >>>>> in small cities it is quite difficult for visually impaired to walk >>>>> independently >>>>> not just because of stray animals but because of poor conditions of >>>>> roads >>>>> >>>>> also >>>>> additionally in rainy season the conditions become worse >>>>> you have a large amount of people laughing at you or gaising you with >>>>> misterious faces >>>>> I know it dos'nt metter for us but they do that with every blind person >>>>> even if you go to sombodies house who lives in a village or small town >>>>> they will not even let you go outside the home alone >>>>> despite of knowing that you have a very good mobility >>>>> regards >>>>> >>>>> On 9/30/11, Pankaj Kwatra wrote: >>>>>> Hello All, >>>>>> >>>>>> Prefer escort or assistance for outdoor and love to be independent >>>>>> while >>>>>> moving indoor. External environment poses risk and condition of cities >>>>>> is known to all and would reiterate mobility can be different for low >>>>>> vision as compared to a completely blind person. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> Pankaj >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>>>>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, >>>>>> Rajesh >>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 11:54 AM >>>>>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >>>>>> >>>>>> That's it. >>>>>> I suspect many of those who vote against any fixed escort despite >>>>>> availability/affordability/no privacy concerns, are partially blind, >>>>>> meaning that they are able to do some vital things visually. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -Original Message- >>
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very well said Amit sir please don't mind but have you visited to cities like simla mansuri? if you were able to walk there independently then please shair some tips specially regarding mobility in those hill stations regards On 10/1/11, George Abraham wrote: > That is an interesting analogy! > - Original Message - > From: "anil joshi" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 4:29 AM > Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? > > > grate sir ! > I salute you. > > On 9/30/11, Amit Bhatt wrote: >> IN my final statement and opinion, The Juices and fruits are vital for >> human >> body to get nutrition's and vitamins but nothing can beet the importance >> of >> plane water. >> In the above example, juices and fruits are escort and water is our >> independent mobility. >> I hope the meaning of above lines should be understood by all without >> being >> baffled for that matter. >> The necessity of an escort is occasional and temporary but the necessity >> and >> importance of our own independent mobility is permanent. >> that's it. >> >> Regards, >> >> Amit Bhat >> - Original Message - >> From: "BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 7:06 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >> >> >>> what to do, if escort is not available? is their any solution? or one has >>> to move alone. please come with the solution, i think that the theme has >>> gone from its subject. >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Ajay Minocha" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 6:24 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >>> >>> >>>>I totally agree with cheten sir >>>> in small cities it is quite difficult for visually impaired to walk >>>> independently >>>> not just because of stray animals but because of poor conditions of >>>> roads >>>> >>>> also >>>> additionally in rainy season the conditions become worse >>>> you have a large amount of people laughing at you or gaising you with >>>> misterious faces >>>> I know it dos'nt metter for us but they do that with every blind person >>>> even if you go to sombodies house who lives in a village or small town >>>> they will not even let you go outside the home alone >>>> despite of knowing that you have a very good mobility >>>> regards >>>> >>>> On 9/30/11, Pankaj Kwatra wrote: >>>>> Hello All, >>>>> >>>>> Prefer escort or assistance for outdoor and love to be independent >>>>> while >>>>> moving indoor. External environment poses risk and condition of cities >>>>> is known to all and would reiterate mobility can be different for low >>>>> vision as compared to a completely blind person. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Pankaj >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>>>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, >>>>> Rajesh >>>>> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 11:54 AM >>>>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >>>>> >>>>> That's it. >>>>> I suspect many of those who vote against any fixed escort despite >>>>> availability/affordability/no privacy concerns, are partially blind, >>>>> meaning that they are able to do some vital things visually. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>>>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of YADAV, D. >>>>> N >>>>> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 11:47 AM >>>>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >>>>> >>>>> Mobility with 'fixed escort' or without one with your cane/no cane is >>>>> like moving in a familiar world of your own & another unfamiliar to >>>>> you. >>>>> White cane can only be a safety tool to prevent your near fall but not &g
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That is an interesting analogy! - Original Message - From: "anil joshi" To: Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 4:29 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? grate sir ! I salute you. On 9/30/11, Amit Bhatt wrote: > IN my final statement and opinion, The Juices and fruits are vital for > human > body to get nutrition's and vitamins but nothing can beet the importance > of > plane water. > In the above example, juices and fruits are escort and water is our > independent mobility. > I hope the meaning of above lines should be understood by all without > being > baffled for that matter. > The necessity of an escort is occasional and temporary but the necessity > and > importance of our own independent mobility is permanent. > that's it. > > Regards, > > Amit Bhat > - Original Message - > From: "BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 7:06 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? > > >> what to do, if escort is not available? is their any solution? or one has >> to move alone. please come with the solution, i think that the theme has >> gone from its subject. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Ajay Minocha" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 6:24 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >> >> >>>I totally agree with cheten sir >>> in small cities it is quite difficult for visually impaired to walk >>> independently >>> not just because of stray animals but because of poor conditions of >>> roads >>> >>> also >>> additionally in rainy season the conditions become worse >>> you have a large amount of people laughing at you or gaising you with >>> misterious faces >>> I know it dos'nt metter for us but they do that with every blind person >>> even if you go to sombodies house who lives in a village or small town >>> they will not even let you go outside the home alone >>> despite of knowing that you have a very good mobility >>> regards >>> >>> On 9/30/11, Pankaj Kwatra wrote: >>>> Hello All, >>>> >>>> Prefer escort or assistance for outdoor and love to be independent >>>> while >>>> moving indoor. External environment poses risk and condition of cities >>>> is known to all and would reiterate mobility can be different for low >>>> vision as compared to a completely blind person. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Pankaj >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, >>>> Rajesh >>>> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 11:54 AM >>>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >>>> >>>> That's it. >>>> I suspect many of those who vote against any fixed escort despite >>>> availability/affordability/no privacy concerns, are partially blind, >>>> meaning that they are able to do some vital things visually. >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of YADAV, D. >>>> N >>>> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 11:47 AM >>>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >>>> >>>> Mobility with 'fixed escort' or without one with your cane/no cane is >>>> like moving in a familiar world of your own & another unfamiliar to >>>> you. >>>> White cane can only be a safety tool to prevent your near fall but not >>>> a >>>> guide as u have to ask directions from others despite your cane. >>>> >>>> Recently I had been to a training programme from my office in different >>>> location. There everybody (as is vogue today) held his plate in one >>>> hand, put things of 5-6 types by his other & then took to eating on >>>> standing tables during lunch. I had to fumble my way to the queue >>>> starting with the plate point, often getting somebody to fill up with >>>> edibles & helping me to the standing table. Where I could answer & >>>> raise questions with confidence
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grate sir ! I salute you. On 9/30/11, Amit Bhatt wrote: > IN my final statement and opinion, The Juices and fruits are vital for human > body to get nutrition's and vitamins but nothing can beet the importance of > plane water. > In the above example, juices and fruits are escort and water is our > independent mobility. > I hope the meaning of above lines should be understood by all without being > baffled for that matter. > The necessity of an escort is occasional and temporary but the necessity and > importance of our own independent mobility is permanent. > that's it. > > Regards, > > Amit Bhat > - Original Message - > From: "BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 7:06 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? > > >> what to do, if escort is not available? is their any solution? or one has >> to move alone. please come with the solution, i think that the theme has >> gone from its subject. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Ajay Minocha" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 6:24 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >> >> >>>I totally agree with cheten sir >>> in small cities it is quite difficult for visually impaired to walk >>> independently >>> not just because of stray animals but because of poor conditions of roads >>> >>> also >>> additionally in rainy season the conditions become worse >>> you have a large amount of people laughing at you or gaising you with >>> misterious faces >>> I know it dos'nt metter for us but they do that with every blind person >>> even if you go to sombodies house who lives in a village or small town >>> they will not even let you go outside the home alone >>> despite of knowing that you have a very good mobility >>> regards >>> >>> On 9/30/11, Pankaj Kwatra wrote: >>>> Hello All, >>>> >>>> Prefer escort or assistance for outdoor and love to be independent while >>>> moving indoor. External environment poses risk and condition of cities >>>> is known to all and would reiterate mobility can be different for low >>>> vision as compared to a completely blind person. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Pankaj >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, >>>> Rajesh >>>> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 11:54 AM >>>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >>>> >>>> That's it. >>>> I suspect many of those who vote against any fixed escort despite >>>> availability/affordability/no privacy concerns, are partially blind, >>>> meaning that they are able to do some vital things visually. >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of YADAV, D. N >>>> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 11:47 AM >>>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >>>> >>>> Mobility with 'fixed escort' or without one with your cane/no cane is >>>> like moving in a familiar world of your own & another unfamiliar to you. >>>> White cane can only be a safety tool to prevent your near fall but not a >>>> guide as u have to ask directions from others despite your cane. >>>> >>>> Recently I had been to a training programme from my office in different >>>> location. There everybody (as is vogue today) held his plate in one >>>> hand, put things of 5-6 types by his other & then took to eating on >>>> standing tables during lunch. I had to fumble my way to the queue >>>> starting with the plate point, often getting somebody to fill up with >>>> edibles & helping me to the standing table. Where I could answer & >>>> raise questions with confidence during our faculty lectures, I felt my >>>> confidence was badly shaken in lunch place only depending on others to >>>> feed me with their help. Even the lunch place was hundreds of metres >>>> away from training ground where reaching could be more than mere >
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Vauv! very nice. What to say further now, finish. On 9/30/11, Amit Bhatt wrote: > IN my final statement and opinion, The Juices and fruits are vital for human > body to get nutrition's and vitamins but nothing can beet the importance of > plane water. > In the above example, juices and fruits are escort and water is our > independent mobility. > I hope the meaning of above lines should be understood by all without being > baffled for that matter. > The necessity of an escort is occasional and temporary but the necessity and > importance of our own independent mobility is permanent. > that's it. > > Regards, > > Amit Bhat > - Original Message - > From: "BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 7:06 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? > > >> what to do, if escort is not available? is their any solution? or one has >> to move alone. please come with the solution, i think that the theme has >> gone from its subject. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Ajay Minocha" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 6:24 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >> >> >>>I totally agree with cheten sir >>> in small cities it is quite difficult for visually impaired to walk >>> independently >>> not just because of stray animals but because of poor conditions of roads >>> >>> also >>> additionally in rainy season the conditions become worse >>> you have a large amount of people laughing at you or gaising you with >>> misterious faces >>> I know it dos'nt metter for us but they do that with every blind person >>> even if you go to sombodies house who lives in a village or small town >>> they will not even let you go outside the home alone >>> despite of knowing that you have a very good mobility >>> regards >>> >>> On 9/30/11, Pankaj Kwatra wrote: >>>> Hello All, >>>> >>>> Prefer escort or assistance for outdoor and love to be independent while >>>> moving indoor. External environment poses risk and condition of cities >>>> is known to all and would reiterate mobility can be different for low >>>> vision as compared to a completely blind person. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Pankaj >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, >>>> Rajesh >>>> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 11:54 AM >>>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >>>> >>>> That's it. >>>> I suspect many of those who vote against any fixed escort despite >>>> availability/affordability/no privacy concerns, are partially blind, >>>> meaning that they are able to do some vital things visually. >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of YADAV, D. N >>>> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 11:47 AM >>>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >>>> >>>> Mobility with 'fixed escort' or without one with your cane/no cane is >>>> like moving in a familiar world of your own & another unfamiliar to you. >>>> White cane can only be a safety tool to prevent your near fall but not a >>>> guide as u have to ask directions from others despite your cane. >>>> >>>> Recently I had been to a training programme from my office in different >>>> location. There everybody (as is vogue today) held his plate in one >>>> hand, put things of 5-6 types by his other & then took to eating on >>>> standing tables during lunch. I had to fumble my way to the queue >>>> starting with the plate point, often getting somebody to fill up with >>>> edibles & helping me to the standing table. Where I could answer & >>>> raise questions with confidence during our faculty lectures, I felt my >>>> confidence was badly shaken in lunch place only depending on others to >>>> feed me with their help. Even the lunch place was hundreds of metres >>>> away from training ground where reaching c
Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?
IN my final statement and opinion, The Juices and fruits are vital for human body to get nutrition's and vitamins but nothing can beet the importance of plane water. In the above example, juices and fruits are escort and water is our independent mobility. I hope the meaning of above lines should be understood by all without being baffled for that matter. The necessity of an escort is occasional and temporary but the necessity and importance of our own independent mobility is permanent. that's it. Regards, Amit Bhat - Original Message - From: "BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA" To: Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? what to do, if escort is not available? is their any solution? or one has to move alone. please come with the solution, i think that the theme has gone from its subject. - Original Message - From: "Ajay Minocha" To: Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? I totally agree with cheten sir in small cities it is quite difficult for visually impaired to walk independently not just because of stray animals but because of poor conditions of roads also additionally in rainy season the conditions become worse you have a large amount of people laughing at you or gaising you with misterious faces I know it dos'nt metter for us but they do that with every blind person even if you go to sombodies house who lives in a village or small town they will not even let you go outside the home alone despite of knowing that you have a very good mobility regards On 9/30/11, Pankaj Kwatra wrote: Hello All, Prefer escort or assistance for outdoor and love to be independent while moving indoor. External environment poses risk and condition of cities is known to all and would reiterate mobility can be different for low vision as compared to a completely blind person. Cheers, Pankaj -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 11:54 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? That's it. I suspect many of those who vote against any fixed escort despite availability/affordability/no privacy concerns, are partially blind, meaning that they are able to do some vital things visually. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of YADAV, D. N Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 11:47 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? Mobility with 'fixed escort' or without one with your cane/no cane is like moving in a familiar world of your own & another unfamiliar to you. White cane can only be a safety tool to prevent your near fall but not a guide as u have to ask directions from others despite your cane. Recently I had been to a training programme from my office in different location. There everybody (as is vogue today) held his plate in one hand, put things of 5-6 types by his other & then took to eating on standing tables during lunch. I had to fumble my way to the queue starting with the plate point, often getting somebody to fill up with edibles & helping me to the standing table. Where I could answer & raise questions with confidence during our faculty lectures, I felt my confidence was badly shaken in lunch place only depending on others to feed me with their help. Even the lunch place was hundreds of metres away from training ground where reaching could be more than mere fumbling for the place. In such scenario, as often it is with a blind person alone, I always think a fixed escort if you could have it, would be the best option. Your confidence level is very high, you feel at par with your colleagues & have your own world to enjoy without any dependence on new persons for your pleasure of choice. It could be really very harassing asking for help everyone for your needs & feeling bad when society fails to help you in time. This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, Refineries HQ, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with th
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hi friends, here i must mention one thing. as we say about hilly states like himachal, here also cane is not safe everywhere. in most areas we have no footpaths or shower lines where we can use cane safely. if someone visited to Simla ever, u can observe it. here in my town, the situation is same. if we r walking in any market place, on both sides we have shops and in between we have a thin lane. road sides have not much space for walking. thanks. sohan. in short, i want to say that, escort is sometime very necessary in these areas. - Original Message - From: "Chetan Soni" To: Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? Hi, besides the places you mentioned, it is difficult to move without escort in small towns and some villages where stray animals like cows and bulls, stray dogs etc. challenge the ability of a totally sightless to move with just a white cane and no escort. It's a reality and i have experienced it. - Original Message - From: "YADAV, D. N" To: Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? Mobility with 'fixed escort' or without one with your cane/no cane is like moving in a familiar world of your own & another unfamiliar to you. White cane can only be a safety tool to prevent your near fall but not a guide as u have to ask directions from others despite your cane. Recently I had been to a training programme from my office in different location. There everybody (as is vogue today) held his plate in one hand, put things of 5-6 types by his other & then took to eating on standing tables during lunch. I had to fumble my way to the queue starting with the plate point, often getting somebody to fill up with edibles & helping me to the standing table. Where I could answer & raise questions with confidence during our faculty lectures, I felt my confidence was badly shaken in lunch place only depending on others to feed me with their help. Even the lunch place was hundreds of metres away from training ground where reaching could be more than mere fumbling for the place. In such scenario, as often it is with a blind person alone, I always think a fixed escort if you could have it, would be the best option. Your confidence level is very high, you feel at par with your colleagues & have your own world to enjoy without any dependence on new persons for your pleasure of choice. It could be really very harassing asking for help everyone for your needs & feeling bad when society fails to help you in time. This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, Refineries HQ, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?
what to do, if escort is not available? is their any solution? or one has to move alone. please come with the solution, i think that the theme has gone from its subject. - Original Message - From: "Ajay Minocha" To: Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? I totally agree with cheten sir in small cities it is quite difficult for visually impaired to walk independently not just because of stray animals but because of poor conditions of roads also additionally in rainy season the conditions become worse you have a large amount of people laughing at you or gaising you with misterious faces I know it dos'nt metter for us but they do that with every blind person even if you go to sombodies house who lives in a village or small town they will not even let you go outside the home alone despite of knowing that you have a very good mobility regards On 9/30/11, Pankaj Kwatra wrote: Hello All, Prefer escort or assistance for outdoor and love to be independent while moving indoor. External environment poses risk and condition of cities is known to all and would reiterate mobility can be different for low vision as compared to a completely blind person. Cheers, Pankaj -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 11:54 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? That's it. I suspect many of those who vote against any fixed escort despite availability/affordability/no privacy concerns, are partially blind, meaning that they are able to do some vital things visually. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of YADAV, D. N Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 11:47 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? Mobility with 'fixed escort' or without one with your cane/no cane is like moving in a familiar world of your own & another unfamiliar to you. White cane can only be a safety tool to prevent your near fall but not a guide as u have to ask directions from others despite your cane. Recently I had been to a training programme from my office in different location. There everybody (as is vogue today) held his plate in one hand, put things of 5-6 types by his other & then took to eating on standing tables during lunch. I had to fumble my way to the queue starting with the plate point, often getting somebody to fill up with edibles & helping me to the standing table. Where I could answer & raise questions with confidence during our faculty lectures, I felt my confidence was badly shaken in lunch place only depending on others to feed me with their help. Even the lunch place was hundreds of metres away from training ground where reaching could be more than mere fumbling for the place. In such scenario, as often it is with a blind person alone, I always think a fixed escort if you could have it, would be the best option. Your confidence level is very high, you feel at par with your colleagues & have your own world to enjoy without any dependence on new persons for your pleasure of choice. It could be really very harassing asking for help everyone for your needs & feeling bad when society fails to help you in time. This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, Refineries HQ, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the m
Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?
I totally agree with cheten sir in small cities it is quite difficult for visually impaired to walk independently not just because of stray animals but because of poor conditions of roads also additionally in rainy season the conditions become worse you have a large amount of people laughing at you or gaising you with misterious faces I know it dos'nt metter for us but they do that with every blind person even if you go to sombodies house who lives in a village or small town they will not even let you go outside the home alone despite of knowing that you have a very good mobility regards On 9/30/11, Pankaj Kwatra wrote: > Hello All, > > Prefer escort or assistance for outdoor and love to be independent while > moving indoor. External environment poses risk and condition of cities > is known to all and would reiterate mobility can be different for low > vision as compared to a completely blind person. > > Cheers, > > Pankaj > > > -Original Message- > From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in > [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, > Rajesh > Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 11:54 AM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? > > That's it. > I suspect many of those who vote against any fixed escort despite > availability/affordability/no privacy concerns, are partially blind, > meaning that they are able to do some vital things visually. > > > -Original Message- > From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in > [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of YADAV, D. N > Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 11:47 AM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? > > Mobility with 'fixed escort' or without one with your cane/no cane is > like moving in a familiar world of your own & another unfamiliar to you. > White cane can only be a safety tool to prevent your near fall but not a > guide as u have to ask directions from others despite your cane. > > Recently I had been to a training programme from my office in different > location. There everybody (as is vogue today) held his plate in one > hand, put things of 5-6 types by his other & then took to eating on > standing tables during lunch. I had to fumble my way to the queue > starting with the plate point, often getting somebody to fill up with > edibles & helping me to the standing table. Where I could answer & > raise questions with confidence during our faculty lectures, I felt my > confidence was badly shaken in lunch place only depending on others to > feed me with their help. Even the lunch place was hundreds of metres > away from training ground where reaching could be more than mere > fumbling for the place. In such scenario, as often it is with a blind > person alone, I always think a fixed escort if you could have it, would > be the best option. Your confidence level is very high, you feel at par > with your colleagues & have your own world to enjoy without any > dependence on new persons for your pleasure of choice. It could be > really very harassing asking for help everyone for your needs & feeling > bad when society fails to help you in time. > > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, Refineries > HQ, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic > message and any attachments to this message are intended for the > exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, > confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended > recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. > Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this > message and any attachments. > Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: > http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i > n > > > Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential > and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they > are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, > use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information > contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly > prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify u
Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?
Hello All, Prefer escort or assistance for outdoor and love to be independent while moving indoor. External environment poses risk and condition of cities is known to all and would reiterate mobility can be different for low vision as compared to a completely blind person. Cheers, Pankaj -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 11:54 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? That's it. I suspect many of those who vote against any fixed escort despite availability/affordability/no privacy concerns, are partially blind, meaning that they are able to do some vital things visually. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of YADAV, D. N Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 11:47 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? Mobility with 'fixed escort' or without one with your cane/no cane is like moving in a familiar world of your own & another unfamiliar to you. White cane can only be a safety tool to prevent your near fall but not a guide as u have to ask directions from others despite your cane. Recently I had been to a training programme from my office in different location. There everybody (as is vogue today) held his plate in one hand, put things of 5-6 types by his other & then took to eating on standing tables during lunch. I had to fumble my way to the queue starting with the plate point, often getting somebody to fill up with edibles & helping me to the standing table. Where I could answer & raise questions with confidence during our faculty lectures, I felt my confidence was badly shaken in lunch place only depending on others to feed me with their help. Even the lunch place was hundreds of metres away from training ground where reaching could be more than mere fumbling for the place. In such scenario, as often it is with a blind person alone, I always think a fixed escort if you could have it, would be the best option. Your confidence level is very high, you feel at par with your colleagues & have your own world to enjoy without any dependence on new persons for your pleasure of choice. It could be really very harassing asking for help everyone for your needs & feeling bad when society fails to help you in time. This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, Refineries HQ, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Reserve Bank of India accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n .. This e-mail message may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. It
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Hi, besides the places you mentioned, it is difficult to move without escort in small towns and some villages where stray animals like cows and bulls, stray dogs etc. challenge the ability of a totally sightless to move with just a white cane and no escort. It's a reality and i have experienced it. - Original Message - From: "YADAV, D. N" To: Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? Mobility with 'fixed escort' or without one with your cane/no cane is like moving in a familiar world of your own & another unfamiliar to you. White cane can only be a safety tool to prevent your near fall but not a guide as u have to ask directions from others despite your cane. Recently I had been to a training programme from my office in different location. There everybody (as is vogue today) held his plate in one hand, put things of 5-6 types by his other & then took to eating on standing tables during lunch. I had to fumble my way to the queue starting with the plate point, often getting somebody to fill up with edibles & helping me to the standing table. Where I could answer & raise questions with confidence during our faculty lectures, I felt my confidence was badly shaken in lunch place only depending on others to feed me with their help. Even the lunch place was hundreds of metres away from training ground where reaching could be more than mere fumbling for the place. In such scenario, as often it is with a blind person alone, I always think a fixed escort if you could have it, would be the best option. Your confidence level is very high, you feel at par with your colleagues & have your own world to enjoy without any dependence on new persons for your pleasure of choice. It could be really very harassing asking for help everyone for your needs & feeling bad when society fails to help you in time. This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, Refineries HQ, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?
That's it. I suspect many of those who vote against any fixed escort despite availability/affordability/no privacy concerns, are partially blind, meaning that they are able to do some vital things visually. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of YADAV, D. N Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 11:47 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? Mobility with 'fixed escort' or without one with your cane/no cane is like moving in a familiar world of your own & another unfamiliar to you. White cane can only be a safety tool to prevent your near fall but not a guide as u have to ask directions from others despite your cane. Recently I had been to a training programme from my office in different location. There everybody (as is vogue today) held his plate in one hand, put things of 5-6 types by his other & then took to eating on standing tables during lunch. I had to fumble my way to the queue starting with the plate point, often getting somebody to fill up with edibles & helping me to the standing table. Where I could answer & raise questions with confidence during our faculty lectures, I felt my confidence was badly shaken in lunch place only depending on others to feed me with their help. Even the lunch place was hundreds of metres away from training ground where reaching could be more than mere fumbling for the place. In such scenario, as often it is with a blind person alone, I always think a fixed escort if you could have it, would be the best option. Your confidence level is very high, you feel at par with your colleagues & have your own world to enjoy without any dependence on new persons for your pleasure of choice. It could be really very harassing asking for help everyone for your needs & feeling bad when society fails to help you in time. This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, Refineries HQ, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Reserve Bank of India accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?
Mobility with 'fixed escort' or without one with your cane/no cane is like moving in a familiar world of your own & another unfamiliar to you. White cane can only be a safety tool to prevent your near fall but not a guide as u have to ask directions from others despite your cane. Recently I had been to a training programme from my office in different location. There everybody (as is vogue today) held his plate in one hand, put things of 5-6 types by his other & then took to eating on standing tables during lunch. I had to fumble my way to the queue starting with the plate point, often getting somebody to fill up with edibles & helping me to the standing table. Where I could answer & raise questions with confidence during our faculty lectures, I felt my confidence was badly shaken in lunch place only depending on others to feed me with their help. Even the lunch place was hundreds of metres away from training ground where reaching could be more than mere fumbling for the place. In such scenario, as often it is with a blind person alone, I always think a fixed escort if you could have it, would be the best option. Your confidence level is very high, you feel at par with your colleagues & have your own world to enjoy without any dependence on new persons for your pleasure of choice. It could be really very harassing asking for help everyone for your needs & feeling bad when society fails to help you in time. This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, Refineries HQ, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?
On 9/28/11, Kotian, H P wrote: > Hello > > It is also quite possible on the other hand you are ready to go and you keep > waiting for the escort and get beyond your schedule. > > You can estimate how long it would take to reach without escort but you > can't reliably estimate when your escort gets there. Besides, it is not easy > matching your schedule with that of the escort. > > This is just a point to consider. Not suggesting either ways. > > Harish Kotian. > > From: Himanshu Sahu > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? > > Another aspect of this whole discussion regarding independent mobility > or of taking help of escort lead us to the question of time > management. > I come to my ofice on bike with my brother wihch takes around fourty > minutes. > sometimes I have also come fully independently by bus and walking to > the office from the bus stand. the whole exercise consumes around 90 > minutes out of which 60-70 minutes in bus and rest for heading to > office managing full packed crowd on pavements. > One suggestion may be forwarded to come earlier but what to do if we > have scarcity of time? > > Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are > addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, > review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in > this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you > have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or > telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any > attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for > the presence of viruses. The Reserve Bank of India accepts no liability for > any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. > > Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: > http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > Hai friends, some days before in this group there was more discussion about dog using as escorts but now many are discussing about person escorting VH. In my openion white cane is the only escort of very low vision and totally vision less persons because in present world we cannot expect all time there will be escort with us everybody is busy in their own work, it is very good to carry White Cane with you while going outdoor by seeing Cane in your hand anybody on the road will surely escort you atleast for few steps or few meters with you, and will also help you in crossing roads and getting busses. Many of us have lost vision in between and most of our eyes are just like normal eyes, by seeing our eyes people around us cannot recognise as VH but by seeing cane in our hand they will come forward and help us on the road. So I think White Cane is the most reliable escort for VH persons. Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?
Hello It is also quite possible on the other hand you are ready to go and you keep waiting for the escort and get beyond your schedule. You can estimate how long it would take to reach without escort but you can't reliably estimate when your escort gets there. Besides, it is not easy matching your schedule with that of the escort. This is just a point to consider. Not suggesting either ways. Harish Kotian. From: Himanshu Sahu To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? Another aspect of this whole discussion regarding independent mobility or of taking help of escort lead us to the question of time management. I come to my ofice on bike with my brother wihch takes around fourty minutes. sometimes I have also come fully independently by bus and walking to the office from the bus stand. the whole exercise consumes around 90 minutes out of which 60-70 minutes in bus and rest for heading to office managing full packed crowd on pavements. One suggestion may be forwarded to come earlier but what to do if we have scarcity of time? Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Reserve Bank of India accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?
I am not against of keeping escort. But to depend on him or her is not advisable. I have seen a totally blind person who always keeps sighted escort with him. But when ever his escort is not available, I always found him in pathetic situation. Earlier he was able to walk alone with white cane, but now he can afford escort so he hasn’t enough confident to go alone anyware. Even he can’t go to rickshaw stand from his home, which is hardly 50 staps away. So one must learn and practice independent mobility tricks, and use white cane, so he or she can manage when ever he/she has no escort. Thanks. On 9/28/11, Himanshu Sahu wrote: > Another aspect of this whole discussion regarding independent mobility > or of taking help of escort lead us to the question of time > management. > I come to my ofice on bike with my brother wihch takes around fourty > minutes. > sometimes I have also come fully independently by bus and walking to > the office from the bus stand. the whole exercise consumes around 90 > minutes out of which 60-70 minutes in bus and rest for heading to > office managing full packed crowd on pavements. > One suggestion may be forwarded to come earlier but what to do if we > have scarcity of time? > > On 9/28/11, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >> Dear Vamshi >> Would you please elaborate on your statement written in the context of >> escort: >> >> "But the important thing is to ask for a taller ladder to paint the >> remaining wall, and not to ask someone to paint the wall because of the >> limitation. That's the spirit" >> >> Do you intend to communicate that a blind person should go out >> independently >> taking sighted assistance here and there, but not insist on a fixed >> escort? >> I know it can be done and I have done it, but, my point is it is a highly >> personal choice whether one wants a fixed escort or occasional help. >> Same person may go for both the options at different times, depending on a >> host of factors like situation, place, and one's own disposition at the >> time >> and so on. >> Nobody has a right to look down upon a totally blind person opting for a >> fixed escort. >> By totally blind, I mean a person who is not able to do a thing visually. >> In your Pune trip, as far as I know, you had some persons who could see >> quite well, and as you yourself said, you are also able to see a bit. >> Still, you people had to take sighted assistance quite a number of times. >> Can you be always sure you will get it whenever you require? >> So, escort for mobility is surely a reasonable choice, provided it >> satisfies >> my triple test of availability/affordability/privacy propounded earlier. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message- >> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Vamshi. G >> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:05 PM >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >> >> But the important thing is to ask for a taller ladder to paint the >> remaining wall, and not to ask someone to paint the wall because of >> the limitation. That's the spirit required. Society doesn't help us >> because we are visually impaired. It helps us because we are trying >> hard to succeed despite the visual impairment. >> >> >> On 9/27/11, Shadab Husain wrote: >>> Well, whether depending on a permanent sighted guide or using cane is >>> a matter of personal choice. I can sponsor for the preferred object >>> but I am afraid - roughly calling the other one a sign of cowardice or >>> foolishness might be improper. >>> >>> For taking help, I would like to mention an idea which was used in a >>> book for a totally different context. I am unable to furnish the >>> verbatim, so some tiny details or sentiments can be different. >>> >>> A painter was painstakingly employed to paint a wall. As he was short, >>> in spite of his great efforts he was unable to reach his hand at the >>> top. He earnestly requested the employer to provide him a ladder with >>> two more steps. The employer, looking at the gleaming wall and the >>> labour's earnestness, arranged a ladder for him so that he can apply >>> his measured brushes on the remaining wall. >>> >>> I feel that this is the kind of help we must aspire for. For some >>> people two more steps in a ladder could be taking a permanent guide >>> while for some it is going alone with cane occasionally taking >>> assistance fr
Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?
Another aspect of this whole discussion regarding independent mobility or of taking help of escort lead us to the question of time management. I come to my ofice on bike with my brother wihch takes around fourty minutes. sometimes I have also come fully independently by bus and walking to the office from the bus stand. the whole exercise consumes around 90 minutes out of which 60-70 minutes in bus and rest for heading to office managing full packed crowd on pavements. One suggestion may be forwarded to come earlier but what to do if we have scarcity of time? On 9/28/11, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: > Dear Vamshi > Would you please elaborate on your statement written in the context of > escort: > > "But the important thing is to ask for a taller ladder to paint the > remaining wall, and not to ask someone to paint the wall because of the > limitation. That's the spirit" > > Do you intend to communicate that a blind person should go out independently > taking sighted assistance here and there, but not insist on a fixed escort? > I know it can be done and I have done it, but, my point is it is a highly > personal choice whether one wants a fixed escort or occasional help. > Same person may go for both the options at different times, depending on a > host of factors like situation, place, and one's own disposition at the time > and so on. > Nobody has a right to look down upon a totally blind person opting for a > fixed escort. > By totally blind, I mean a person who is not able to do a thing visually. > In your Pune trip, as far as I know, you had some persons who could see > quite well, and as you yourself said, you are also able to see a bit. > Still, you people had to take sighted assistance quite a number of times. > Can you be always sure you will get it whenever you require? > So, escort for mobility is surely a reasonable choice, provided it satisfies > my triple test of availability/affordability/privacy propounded earlier. > > > > -Original Message- > From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in > [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Vamshi. G > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:05 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? > > But the important thing is to ask for a taller ladder to paint the > remaining wall, and not to ask someone to paint the wall because of > the limitation. That's the spirit required. Society doesn't help us > because we are visually impaired. It helps us because we are trying > hard to succeed despite the visual impairment. > > > On 9/27/11, Shadab Husain wrote: >> Well, whether depending on a permanent sighted guide or using cane is >> a matter of personal choice. I can sponsor for the preferred object >> but I am afraid - roughly calling the other one a sign of cowardice or >> foolishness might be improper. >> >> For taking help, I would like to mention an idea which was used in a >> book for a totally different context. I am unable to furnish the >> verbatim, so some tiny details or sentiments can be different. >> >> A painter was painstakingly employed to paint a wall. As he was short, >> in spite of his great efforts he was unable to reach his hand at the >> top. He earnestly requested the employer to provide him a ladder with >> two more steps. The employer, looking at the gleaming wall and the >> labour's earnestness, arranged a ladder for him so that he can apply >> his measured brushes on the remaining wall. >> >> I feel that this is the kind of help we must aspire for. For some >> people two more steps in a ladder could be taking a permanent guide >> while for some it is going alone with cane occasionally taking >> assistance from the by passers. >> >> Regards >> >> Shadab >> >> >> >> >> On 9/26/11, George Abraham wrote: >>> Once I was returning from Shillong to Delhi and had just disembarked from >>> the coach at Guvahati airport. When a lady who was a co-passenger in the >>> coach asked me as to how I managed alone while travelling. I told her >>> that >>> I >>> plan my trips in advance and take care of every small detail plus there >>> are >>> still nice people like her in the World . When you need them, they turn >>> up. >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Vamshi. G" >>> To: >>> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:28 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >>> >>> >>> Back on the subject. No further comments on English language please. >>> >>&
Re: [AI] tips to manage without escort?
Generally, I always keep folding cane with me. I use the service of escort for boarding me into bus and manage on my own inside and the time of getting down. Generally, someone would be standing from my family on prior information which I give them by cellphone and if not, do not face much difficulty to locate Rickshaw from stand. But it entirely depends on the distance of Rickshaw stand from bus stand since big busses do not stop at the nearest stand of my house. In a nutshell, on daily basis, I use escort, both permanent and temporary, and folding cane also as per my convenient. Keeping cane with us becomes essential when go out. On 9/27/11, Jean Parker wrote: > vamshi: > > This is a great story and is exactly what is meant by independent mobility. > It does not mean going everywhere by yourself. > > Jean > Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: > http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > -- Thanks and regards Himanshu Sahu Reach: 09051055000 Skype: himanshu.cute4u Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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Dear Vamshi Would you please elaborate on your statement written in the context of escort: "But the important thing is to ask for a taller ladder to paint the remaining wall, and not to ask someone to paint the wall because of the limitation. That's the spirit" Do you intend to communicate that a blind person should go out independently taking sighted assistance here and there, but not insist on a fixed escort? I know it can be done and I have done it, but, my point is it is a highly personal choice whether one wants a fixed escort or occasional help. Same person may go for both the options at different times, depending on a host of factors like situation, place, and one's own disposition at the time and so on. Nobody has a right to look down upon a totally blind person opting for a fixed escort. By totally blind, I mean a person who is not able to do a thing visually. In your Pune trip, as far as I know, you had some persons who could see quite well, and as you yourself said, you are also able to see a bit. Still, you people had to take sighted assistance quite a number of times. Can you be always sure you will get it whenever you require? So, escort for mobility is surely a reasonable choice, provided it satisfies my triple test of availability/affordability/privacy propounded earlier. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Vamshi. G Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:05 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? But the important thing is to ask for a taller ladder to paint the remaining wall, and not to ask someone to paint the wall because of the limitation. That's the spirit required. Society doesn't help us because we are visually impaired. It helps us because we are trying hard to succeed despite the visual impairment. On 9/27/11, Shadab Husain wrote: > Well, whether depending on a permanent sighted guide or using cane is > a matter of personal choice. I can sponsor for the preferred object > but I am afraid - roughly calling the other one a sign of cowardice or > foolishness might be improper. > > For taking help, I would like to mention an idea which was used in a > book for a totally different context. I am unable to furnish the > verbatim, so some tiny details or sentiments can be different. > > A painter was painstakingly employed to paint a wall. As he was short, > in spite of his great efforts he was unable to reach his hand at the > top. He earnestly requested the employer to provide him a ladder with > two more steps. The employer, looking at the gleaming wall and the > labour's earnestness, arranged a ladder for him so that he can apply > his measured brushes on the remaining wall. > > I feel that this is the kind of help we must aspire for. For some > people two more steps in a ladder could be taking a permanent guide > while for some it is going alone with cane occasionally taking > assistance from the by passers. > > Regards > > Shadab > > > > > On 9/26/11, George Abraham wrote: >> Once I was returning from Shillong to Delhi and had just disembarked from >> the coach at Guvahati airport. When a lady who was a co-passenger in the >> coach asked me as to how I managed alone while travelling. I told her that >> I >> plan my trips in advance and take care of every small detail plus there >> are >> still nice people like her in the World . When you need them, they turn >> up. >> - Original Message - >> From: "Vamshi. G" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:28 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >> >> >> Back on the subject. No further comments on English language please. >> >> I have some vision but very poor mobility, especially in new places. >> I always wondered how visually challenged people walk alone with the >> help of a white cane. But most of my doubts have been wiped off >> during my recent trip to Pune. >> >> I had been to Pune to meet my friends. We were 5 of us with >> different vision conditions. We didn't have a permanent sighted guide >> but asked for the same as and when required in different places like >> hotels, resorts, pubs, shopping centers, etc. We even played in a >> water resort without asking for anyone's help. There were some >> moments with slight risk, but no real dangers. >> >> >> And then came the final situation. I had my train back at 12 in the >> night. Raj, my friend at Pune, who himself is visually challenged, >> had to take me to the railway station from his home. We went to a >> hotel, had the dinner,
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Absolutely well said, Shadab. We cannot insist with or without escort. I am still of the opinion that if escort is available, affordable without any privacy concerns, one who is totally blind must opt for her or him. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shadab Husain Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:47 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? Well, whether depending on a permanent sighted guide or using cane is a matter of personal choice. I can sponsor for the preferred object but I am afraid - roughly calling the other one a sign of cowardice or foolishness might be improper. For taking help, I would like to mention an idea which was used in a book for a totally different context. I am unable to furnish the verbatim, so some tiny details or sentiments can be different. A painter was painstakingly employed to paint a wall. As he was short, in spite of his great efforts he was unable to reach his hand at the top. He earnestly requested the employer to provide him a ladder with two more steps. The employer, looking at the gleaming wall and the labour's earnestness, arranged a ladder for him so that he can apply his measured brushes on the remaining wall. I feel that this is the kind of help we must aspire for. For some people two more steps in a ladder could be taking a permanent guide while for some it is going alone with cane occasionally taking assistance from the by passers. Regards Shadab On 9/26/11, George Abraham wrote: > Once I was returning from Shillong to Delhi and had just disembarked from > the coach at Guvahati airport. When a lady who was a co-passenger in the > coach asked me as to how I managed alone while travelling. I told her that I > plan my trips in advance and take care of every small detail plus there are > still nice people like her in the World . When you need them, they turn up. > - Original Message - > From: "Vamshi. G" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:28 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? > > > Back on the subject. No further comments on English language please. > > I have some vision but very poor mobility, especially in new places. > I always wondered how visually challenged people walk alone with the > help of a white cane. But most of my doubts have been wiped off > during my recent trip to Pune. > > I had been to Pune to meet my friends. We were 5 of us with > different vision conditions. We didn't have a permanent sighted guide > but asked for the same as and when required in different places like > hotels, resorts, pubs, shopping centers, etc. We even played in a > water resort without asking for anyone's help. There were some > moments with slight risk, but no real dangers. > > > And then came the final situation. I had my train back at 12 in the > night. Raj, my friend at Pune, who himself is visually challenged, > had to take me to the railway station from his home. We went to a > hotel, had the dinner, then to the railway station, and finally to the > right platform, all on our own, but not alone. Then I met a stranger > with whom my ticket was booked by the agent, explained my problem to > him and boarded the train with his help. > > I was surprised to see the help we were getting once we got out with > this wonderful tool in our hand. We asked a person to help us cross > the road to reach the station, he accompanied us all the way to the > station. We asked the way to the desired platform, again we had > someone taking us right to the over bridge. And as I said earlier, a > total stranger helped me board the train and even gave his lower berth > in exchange of my upper one. > > It was a real confidence booster for me. And it was only after this > trip that I understood independent mobility doesn't mean moving alone, > it means moving without a fixed sighted guide from beginning to the > end. Now I am really motivated to use the white cane. But I believe > in professional training. So, once I undergo some training in > mobility, I will move on my own. > > > > On 9/26/11, jignesh thakur wrote: >> sir, >> I hope your understanding might good as your English. >> Expressions are more important then any language. >> He properly conveyed what he wanted. Now you should tell us whats your >> problem? >> Are you writing for only sake of insulting other? >> >> >> >> On 9/26/11, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >>> Exactly. >>> English is nothing more than a medium of communication. >>> >>> On 26/09/2011, Mahesh Panicker wrote: >>>> Away from the subject, but we've discussed
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oh sure sir you are the only visually impaired person that I know in faridabad of course I will come to your place regards On 9/27/11, yusuf wrote: > Hi Ajay > You can learn in one day > how to move cane > if you interested then you can come to me on Sunday. > - Original Message - > From: "Ajay Minocha" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 5:48 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] tips to manage without escort? > > >> Hi members >> I am 75% visually chalanged >> I have not used cane yet >> but now thinking to use it because of the motivation that I get from >> people like you >> and it's benifits >> when I walk on road if I ask somebody to help me in crossing the road >> they think that I am trying to pretend that's why I have decided to >> have cane with me >> because I wear my spectacles instead of gogles >> so what tips do you like to shair with me regarding the first use of cane? >> regards >> >> On 9/27/11, jayant garg wrote: >>> Hello friends >>> I like to raise one more thing to this topic which I think is missing so >>> far >>> from our discussion that mobility is greatly dependent on the conditions >>> where we live in . I am 100% visually challenged and I have to travel >>> around >>> 40 km daily from barnala where I live to sangrur where I work and from >>> bus >>> stand I have to walk aroung 1km to reach my office . I have no formal >>> training in mobility and to great extent I don't know how to use cane but >>> the point I trying to make is delhi or Mumbai are 100 times more bigger >>> cities than barnala or sangrur and in small cities the condition of roads >>> >>> is >>> very ugly thereare many pits in the road and other than this the roads >>> are >>> not smooth and the cane stucks sometimes and if u r going in a motion >>> than u >>> most probably in front of cane and it is not a desirable situation when I >>> was in Chandigarh which is a bigger city than barnala or sangrur where >>> the >>> traffic is more compared to barnala or sangrur I won't face such kind of >>> problems as the roads are more smoother and one more thing that I walk >>> through the main bazazar and the main road even in these places the >>> situation is not good when I started to go in the office for the first >>> month >>> or so I was not able to locate the location of the pits or holes but now >>> I >>> am able to find those by my cane as I have come to know about location of >>> these holes and pits the cane is very useful even if u don't know how to >>> use >>> this as it lets the other people know that u have some kind of problem >>> aand >>> they start to travel more carefully when they are near u regarding taking >>> help from people I never shy away from this when ever I think it >>> necessary >>> there are all kind of people in this world some of them are ready to help >>> >>> us >>> and they r enough for me to walk around where ever I want to go . Having >>> confidence in your's ability is must and never take risk and never shy >>> away >>> from taking help of others when ever u r in need if one does not offer u >>> help and don't hesitate asking other . to have a sighted escort is a >>> desirable situation but some of us are not able to afford it and self >>> independence is also desirable regarding struggling in some places it >>> happens and you have to accept it and you have to live with it it does >>> not >>> matter what any one else is thinking what matters is that I am able to >>> feed >>> my family on my own . >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Jean Parker >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:11 AM >>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>> Subject: [AI] tips to manage without escort? >>> >>> vamshi: >>> >>> This is a great story and is exactly what is meant by independent >>> mobility. >>> It does not mean going everywhere by yourself. >>> >>> Jean >>> Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: >>> http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm >>> >>> Search for old postings at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >>> >>&
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I totally agree. In fact expressions like "personal choice" in such an important issue clearly show that how far we have to go in terms of our understanding of certain basic requirements of the visually challenged in this country related to mobility. If such tendencies prevail among us, then one doesn't have to wonder about the ignorence of the general population. Vetri. On 27/09/2011, mahendra wrote: > Vamshi, you expressed my opinion in best possible way. thanks. > > At 05:34 PM 9/27/2011, you wrote: >>But the important thing is to ask for a taller ladder to paint the >>remaining wall, and not to ask someone to paint the wall because of >>the limitation. That's the spirit required. Society doesn't help us >>because we are visually impaired. It helps us because we are trying >>hard to succeed despite the visual impairment. >> >> >>On 9/27/11, Shadab Husain wrote: >> > Well, whether depending on a permanent sighted guide or using cane is >> > a matter of personal choice. I can sponsor for the preferred object >> > but I am afraid - roughly calling the other one a sign of cowardice or >> > foolishness might be improper. >> > >> > For taking help, I would like to mention an idea which was used in a >> > book for a totally different context. I am unable to furnish the >> > verbatim, so some tiny details or sentiments can be different. >> > >> > A painter was painstakingly employed to paint a wall. As he was short, >> > in spite of his great efforts he was unable to reach his hand at the >> > top. He earnestly requested the employer to provide him a ladder with >> > two more steps. The employer, looking at the gleaming wall and the >> > labour's earnestness, arranged a ladder for him so that he can apply >> > his measured brushes on the remaining wall. >> > >> > I feel that this is the kind of help we must aspire for. For some >> > people two more steps in a ladder could be taking a permanent guide >> > while for some it is going alone with cane occasionally taking >> > assistance from the by passers. >> > >> > Regards >> > >> > Shadab >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On 9/26/11, George Abraham wrote: >> >> Once I was returning from Shillong to Delhi and had just disembarked >> >> from >> >> the coach at Guvahati airport. When a lady who was a co-passenger in >> >> the >> >> coach asked me as to how I managed alone while travelling. I told her >> >> that >> >> I >> >> plan my trips in advance and take care of every small detail plus >> >> there >> >> are >> >> still nice people like her in the World . When you need them, they turn >> >> up. >> >> - Original Message - >> >> From: "Vamshi. G" >> >> To: >> >> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:28 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >> >> >> >> >> >> Back on the subject. No further comments on English language please. >> >> >> >> I have some vision but very poor mobility, especially in new places. >> >> I always wondered how visually challenged people walk alone with the >> >> help of a white cane. But most of my doubts have been wiped off >> >> during my recent trip to Pune. >> >> >> >> I had been to Pune to meet my friends. We were 5 of us with >> >> different vision conditions. We didn't have a permanent sighted guide >> >> but asked for the same as and when required in different places like >> >> hotels, resorts, pubs, shopping centers, etc. We even played in a >> >> water resort without asking for anyone's help. There were some >> >> moments with slight risk, but no real dangers. >> >> >> >> >> >> And then came the final situation. I had my train back at 12 in the >> >> night. Raj, my friend at Pune, who himself is visually challenged, >> >> had to take me to the railway station from his home. We went to a >> >> hotel, had the dinner, then to the railway station, and finally to the >> >> right platform, all on our own, but not alone. Then I met a stranger >> >> with whom my ticket was booked by the agent, explained my problem to >> >> him and boarded the train with his help. >> >> >> >> I was surprised to see the help we were getting once we got
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Hi Ajay You can learn in one day how to move cane if you interested then you can come to me on Sunday. - Original Message - From: "Ajay Minocha" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [AI] tips to manage without escort? Hi members I am 75% visually chalanged I have not used cane yet but now thinking to use it because of the motivation that I get from people like you and it's benifits when I walk on road if I ask somebody to help me in crossing the road they think that I am trying to pretend that's why I have decided to have cane with me because I wear my spectacles instead of gogles so what tips do you like to shair with me regarding the first use of cane? regards On 9/27/11, jayant garg wrote: Hello friends I like to raise one more thing to this topic which I think is missing so far from our discussion that mobility is greatly dependent on the conditions where we live in . I am 100% visually challenged and I have to travel around 40 km daily from barnala where I live to sangrur where I work and from bus stand I have to walk aroung 1km to reach my office . I have no formal training in mobility and to great extent I don't know how to use cane but the point I trying to make is delhi or Mumbai are 100 times more bigger cities than barnala or sangrur and in small cities the condition of roads is very ugly thereare many pits in the road and other than this the roads are not smooth and the cane stucks sometimes and if u r going in a motion than u most probably in front of cane and it is not a desirable situation when I was in Chandigarh which is a bigger city than barnala or sangrur where the traffic is more compared to barnala or sangrur I won't face such kind of problems as the roads are more smoother and one more thing that I walk through the main bazazar and the main road even in these places the situation is not good when I started to go in the office for the first month or so I was not able to locate the location of the pits or holes but now I am able to find those by my cane as I have come to know about location of these holes and pits the cane is very useful even if u don't know how to use this as it lets the other people know that u have some kind of problem aand they start to travel more carefully when they are near u regarding taking help from people I never shy away from this when ever I think it necessary there are all kind of people in this world some of them are ready to help us and they r enough for me to walk around where ever I want to go . Having confidence in your's ability is must and never take risk and never shy away from taking help of others when ever u r in need if one does not offer u help and don't hesitate asking other . to have a sighted escort is a desirable situation but some of us are not able to afford it and self independence is also desirable regarding struggling in some places it happens and you have to accept it and you have to live with it it does not matter what any one else is thinking what matters is that I am able to feed my family on my own . -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Jean Parker Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:11 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: [AI] tips to manage without escort? vamshi: This is a great story and is exactly what is meant by independent mobility. It does not mean going everywhere by yourself. Jean Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in -- Ajay Minocha Mob : +91 - 7 8 2 7 1 8 8 4 5 5 E mail : ajayminocha2...@rediffmail.com ajaymanu...@gmail.com Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest
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Vamshi, you expressed my opinion in best possible way. thanks. At 05:34 PM 9/27/2011, you wrote: But the important thing is to ask for a taller ladder to paint the remaining wall, and not to ask someone to paint the wall because of the limitation. That's the spirit required. Society doesn't help us because we are visually impaired. It helps us because we are trying hard to succeed despite the visual impairment. On 9/27/11, Shadab Husain wrote: > Well, whether depending on a permanent sighted guide or using cane is > a matter of personal choice. I can sponsor for the preferred object > but I am afraid - roughly calling the other one a sign of cowardice or > foolishness might be improper. > > For taking help, I would like to mention an idea which was used in a > book for a totally different context. I am unable to furnish the > verbatim, so some tiny details or sentiments can be different. > > A painter was painstakingly employed to paint a wall. As he was short, > in spite of his great efforts he was unable to reach his hand at the > top. He earnestly requested the employer to provide him a ladder with > two more steps. The employer, looking at the gleaming wall and the > labour's earnestness, arranged a ladder for him so that he can apply > his measured brushes on the remaining wall. > > I feel that this is the kind of help we must aspire for. For some > people two more steps in a ladder could be taking a permanent guide > while for some it is going alone with cane occasionally taking > assistance from the by passers. > > Regards > > Shadab > > > > > On 9/26/11, George Abraham wrote: >> Once I was returning from Shillong to Delhi and had just disembarked from >> the coach at Guvahati airport. When a lady who was a co-passenger in the >> coach asked me as to how I managed alone while travelling. I told her that >> I >> plan my trips in advance and take care of every small detail plus there >> are >> still nice people like her in the World . When you need them, they turn >> up. >> - Original Message - >> From: "Vamshi. G" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:28 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >> >> >> Back on the subject. No further comments on English language please. >> >> I have some vision but very poor mobility, especially in new places. >> I always wondered how visually challenged people walk alone with the >> help of a white cane. But most of my doubts have been wiped off >> during my recent trip to Pune. >> >> I had been to Pune to meet my friends. We were 5 of us with >> different vision conditions. We didn't have a permanent sighted guide >> but asked for the same as and when required in different places like >> hotels, resorts, pubs, shopping centers, etc. We even played in a >> water resort without asking for anyone's help. There were some >> moments with slight risk, but no real dangers. >> >> >> And then came the final situation. I had my train back at 12 in the >> night. Raj, my friend at Pune, who himself is visually challenged, >> had to take me to the railway station from his home. We went to a >> hotel, had the dinner, then to the railway station, and finally to the >> right platform, all on our own, but not alone. Then I met a stranger >> with whom my ticket was booked by the agent, explained my problem to >> him and boarded the train with his help. >> >> I was surprised to see the help we were getting once we got out with >> this wonderful tool in our hand. We asked a person to help us cross >> the road to reach the station, he accompanied us all the way to the >> station. We asked the way to the desired platform, again we had >> someone taking us right to the over bridge. And as I said earlier, a >> total stranger helped me board the train and even gave his lower berth >> in exchange of my upper one. >> >> It was a real confidence booster for me. And it was only after this >> trip that I understood independent mobility doesn't mean moving alone, >> it means moving without a fixed sighted guide from beginning to the >> end. Now I am really motivated to use the white cane. But I believe >> in professional training. So, once I undergo some training in >> mobility, I will move on my own. >> >> >> >> On 9/26/11, jignesh thakur wrote: >>> sir, >>> I hope your understanding might good as your English. >>> Expressions are more important then any language. >>> He properly conveyed what he wanted. Now you should tell us whats your &g
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But the important thing is to ask for a taller ladder to paint the remaining wall, and not to ask someone to paint the wall because of the limitation. That's the spirit required. Society doesn't help us because we are visually impaired. It helps us because we are trying hard to succeed despite the visual impairment. On 9/27/11, Shadab Husain wrote: > Well, whether depending on a permanent sighted guide or using cane is > a matter of personal choice. I can sponsor for the preferred object > but I am afraid - roughly calling the other one a sign of cowardice or > foolishness might be improper. > > For taking help, I would like to mention an idea which was used in a > book for a totally different context. I am unable to furnish the > verbatim, so some tiny details or sentiments can be different. > > A painter was painstakingly employed to paint a wall. As he was short, > in spite of his great efforts he was unable to reach his hand at the > top. He earnestly requested the employer to provide him a ladder with > two more steps. The employer, looking at the gleaming wall and the > labour’s earnestness, arranged a ladder for him so that he can apply > his measured brushes on the remaining wall. > > I feel that this is the kind of help we must aspire for. For some > people two more steps in a ladder could be taking a permanent guide > while for some it is going alone with cane occasionally taking > assistance from the by passers. > > Regards > > Shadab > > > > > On 9/26/11, George Abraham wrote: >> Once I was returning from Shillong to Delhi and had just disembarked from >> the coach at Guvahati airport. When a lady who was a co-passenger in the >> coach asked me as to how I managed alone while travelling. I told her that >> I >> plan my trips in advance and take care of every small detail plus there >> are >> still nice people like her in the World . When you need them, they turn >> up. >> ----- Original Message - >> From: "Vamshi. G" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:28 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >> >> >> Back on the subject. No further comments on English language please. >> >> I have some vision but very poor mobility, especially in new places. >> I always wondered how visually challenged people walk alone with the >> help of a white cane. But most of my doubts have been wiped off >> during my recent trip to Pune. >> >> I had been to Pune to meet my friends. We were 5 of us with >> different vision conditions. We didn't have a permanent sighted guide >> but asked for the same as and when required in different places like >> hotels, resorts, pubs, shopping centers, etc. We even played in a >> water resort without asking for anyone’s help. There were some >> moments with slight risk, but no real dangers. >> >> >> And then came the final situation. I had my train back at 12 in the >> night. Raj, my friend at Pune, who himself is visually challenged, >> had to take me to the railway station from his home. We went to a >> hotel, had the dinner, then to the railway station, and finally to the >> right platform, all on our own, but not alone. Then I met a stranger >> with whom my ticket was booked by the agent, explained my problem to >> him and boarded the train with his help. >> >> I was surprised to see the help we were getting once we got out with >> this wonderful tool in our hand. We asked a person to help us cross >> the road to reach the station, he accompanied us all the way to the >> station. We asked the way to the desired platform, again we had >> someone taking us right to the over bridge. And as I said earlier, a >> total stranger helped me board the train and even gave his lower berth >> in exchange of my upper one. >> >> It was a real confidence booster for me. And it was only after this >> trip that I understood independent mobility doesn’t mean moving alone, >> it means moving without a fixed sighted guide from beginning to the >> end. Now I am really motivated to use the white cane. But I believe >> in professional training. So, once I undergo some training in >> mobility, I will move on my own. >> >> >> >> On 9/26/11, jignesh thakur wrote: >>> sir, >>> I hope your understanding might good as your English. >>> Expressions are more important then any language. >>> He properly conveyed what he wanted. Now you should tell us whats your >>> problem? >>> Are you writing for only sake of insulting other? >>> >>> >&g
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Well, whether depending on a permanent sighted guide or using cane is a matter of personal choice. I can sponsor for the preferred object but I am afraid - roughly calling the other one a sign of cowardice or foolishness might be improper. For taking help, I would like to mention an idea which was used in a book for a totally different context. I am unable to furnish the verbatim, so some tiny details or sentiments can be different. A painter was painstakingly employed to paint a wall. As he was short, in spite of his great efforts he was unable to reach his hand at the top. He earnestly requested the employer to provide him a ladder with two more steps. The employer, looking at the gleaming wall and the labour’s earnestness, arranged a ladder for him so that he can apply his measured brushes on the remaining wall. I feel that this is the kind of help we must aspire for. For some people two more steps in a ladder could be taking a permanent guide while for some it is going alone with cane occasionally taking assistance from the by passers. Regards Shadab On 9/26/11, George Abraham wrote: > Once I was returning from Shillong to Delhi and had just disembarked from > the coach at Guvahati airport. When a lady who was a co-passenger in the > coach asked me as to how I managed alone while travelling. I told her that I > plan my trips in advance and take care of every small detail plus there are > still nice people like her in the World . When you need them, they turn up. > - Original Message - > From: "Vamshi. G" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:28 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? > > > Back on the subject. No further comments on English language please. > > I have some vision but very poor mobility, especially in new places. > I always wondered how visually challenged people walk alone with the > help of a white cane. But most of my doubts have been wiped off > during my recent trip to Pune. > > I had been to Pune to meet my friends. We were 5 of us with > different vision conditions. We didn't have a permanent sighted guide > but asked for the same as and when required in different places like > hotels, resorts, pubs, shopping centers, etc. We even played in a > water resort without asking for anyone’s help. There were some > moments with slight risk, but no real dangers. > > > And then came the final situation. I had my train back at 12 in the > night. Raj, my friend at Pune, who himself is visually challenged, > had to take me to the railway station from his home. We went to a > hotel, had the dinner, then to the railway station, and finally to the > right platform, all on our own, but not alone. Then I met a stranger > with whom my ticket was booked by the agent, explained my problem to > him and boarded the train with his help. > > I was surprised to see the help we were getting once we got out with > this wonderful tool in our hand. We asked a person to help us cross > the road to reach the station, he accompanied us all the way to the > station. We asked the way to the desired platform, again we had > someone taking us right to the over bridge. And as I said earlier, a > total stranger helped me board the train and even gave his lower berth > in exchange of my upper one. > > It was a real confidence booster for me. And it was only after this > trip that I understood independent mobility doesn’t mean moving alone, > it means moving without a fixed sighted guide from beginning to the > end. Now I am really motivated to use the white cane. But I believe > in professional training. So, once I undergo some training in > mobility, I will move on my own. > > > > On 9/26/11, jignesh thakur wrote: >> sir, >> I hope your understanding might good as your English. >> Expressions are more important then any language. >> He properly conveyed what he wanted. Now you should tell us whats your >> problem? >> Are you writing for only sake of insulting other? >> >> >> >> On 9/26/11, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >>> Exactly. >>> English is nothing more than a medium of communication. >>> >>> On 26/09/2011, Mahesh Panicker wrote: >>>> Away from the subject, but we've discussed this before, AI is not a >>>> platform for teaching and learning english. The important thing is to >>>> be able to convey the things, not so much about grammar and spelling. >>>> Not all on this list can be so proficient in the english language. >>>> Not intented to be rude or insulting, but thought someone has to state >>>> it. >>>> best, >>>> >>>> On 9/26/11, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >>>>> Forgive m
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Hello You can consider using the folding cane. It may help get over the initial inhibition using a cane. Harish - Original Message - From: "Vamshi. G" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [AI] tips to manage without escort? Hi Ajay, I am in the same situation as you are in. Some vision and wearing glasses. One of my friends told me to start using a white cane when we have some vision as it becomes that easy to get used to it. The biggest challenge is to get rid of the initial inhibitions. Once you can do it, it will be good. On 9/27/11, Ajay Minocha wrote: Hi members I am 75% visually chalanged I have not used cane yet but now thinking to use it because of the motivation that I get from people like you and it's benifits when I walk on road if I ask somebody to help me in crossing the road they think that I am trying to pretend that's why I have decided to have cane with me because I wear my spectacles instead of gogles so what tips do you like to shair with me regarding the first use of cane? regards On 9/27/11, jayant garg wrote: Hello friends I like to raise one more thing to this topic which I think is missing so far from our discussion that mobility is greatly dependent on the conditions where we live in . I am 100% visually challenged and I have to travel around 40 km daily from barnala where I live to sangrur where I work and from bus stand I have to walk aroung 1km to reach my office . I have no formal training in mobility and to great extent I don't know how to use cane but the point I trying to make is delhi or Mumbai are 100 times more bigger cities than barnala or sangrur and in small cities the condition of roads is very ugly thereare many pits in the road and other than this the roads are not smooth and the cane stucks sometimes and if u r going in a motion than u most probably in front of cane and it is not a desirable situation when I was in Chandigarh which is a bigger city than barnala or sangrur where the traffic is more compared to barnala or sangrur I won't face such kind of problems as the roads are more smoother and one more thing that I walk through the main bazazar and the main road even in these places the situation is not good when I started to go in the office for the first month or so I was not able to locate the location of the pits or holes but now I am able to find those by my cane as I have come to know about location of these holes and pits the cane is very useful even if u don't know how to use this as it lets the other people know that u have some kind of problem aand they start to travel more carefully when they are near u regarding taking help from people I never shy away from this when ever I think it necessary there are all kind of people in this world some of them are ready to help us and they r enough for me to walk around where ever I want to go . Having confidence in your's ability is must and never take risk and never shy away from taking help of others when ever u r in need if one does not offer u help and don't hesitate asking other . to have a sighted escort is a desirable situation but some of us are not able to afford it and self independence is also desirable regarding struggling in some places it happens and you have to accept it and you have to live with it it does not matter what any one else is thinking what matters is that I am able to feed my family on my own . -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Jean Parker Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:11 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: [AI] tips to manage without escort? vamshi: This is a great story and is exactly what is meant by independent mobility. It does not mean going everywhere by yourself. Jean Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in -- Ajay Minocha Mob : +91 - 7 8 2 7 1 8 8 4 5 5 E mail : ajayminocha2...@rediffmail.com ajaymanu...@g
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Hi Ajay, I am in the same situation as you are in. Some vision and wearing glasses. One of my friends told me to start using a white cane when we have some vision as it becomes that easy to get used to it. The biggest challenge is to get rid of the initial inhibitions. Once you can do it, it will be good. On 9/27/11, Ajay Minocha wrote: > Hi members > I am 75% visually chalanged > I have not used cane yet > but now thinking to use it because of the motivation that I get from > people like you > and it's benifits > when I walk on road if I ask somebody to help me in crossing the road > they think that I am trying to pretend that's why I have decided to > have cane with me > because I wear my spectacles instead of gogles > so what tips do you like to shair with me regarding the first use of cane? > regards > > On 9/27/11, jayant garg wrote: >> Hello friends >> I like to raise one more thing to this topic which I think is missing so >> far >> from our discussion that mobility is greatly dependent on the conditions >> where we live in . I am 100% visually challenged and I have to travel >> around >> 40 km daily from barnala where I live to sangrur where I work and from bus >> stand I have to walk aroung 1km to reach my office . I have no formal >> training in mobility and to great extent I don't know how to use cane but >> the point I trying to make is delhi or Mumbai are 100 times more bigger >> cities than barnala or sangrur and in small cities the condition of roads >> is >> very ugly thereare many pits in the road and other than this the roads are >> not smooth and the cane stucks sometimes and if u r going in a motion than >> u >> most probably in front of cane and it is not a desirable situation when I >> was in Chandigarh which is a bigger city than barnala or sangrur where the >> traffic is more compared to barnala or sangrur I won't face such kind of >> problems as the roads are more smoother and one more thing that I walk >> through the main bazazar and the main road even in these places the >> situation is not good when I started to go in the office for the first >> month >> or so I was not able to locate the location of the pits or holes but now I >> am able to find those by my cane as I have come to know about location of >> these holes and pits the cane is very useful even if u don't know how to >> use >> this as it lets the other people know that u have some kind of problem >> aand >> they start to travel more carefully when they are near u regarding taking >> help from people I never shy away from this when ever I think it necessary >> there are all kind of people in this world some of them are ready to help >> us >> and they r enough for me to walk around where ever I want to go . Having >> confidence in your's ability is must and never take risk and never shy >> away >> from taking help of others when ever u r in need if one does not offer u >> help and don't hesitate asking other . to have a sighted escort is a >> desirable situation but some of us are not able to afford it and self >> independence is also desirable regarding struggling in some places it >> happens and you have to accept it and you have to live with it it does not >> matter what any one else is thinking what matters is that I am able to >> feed >> my family on my own . >> >> -Original Message- >> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Jean Parker >> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:11 AM >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: [AI] tips to manage without escort? >> >> vamshi: >> >> This is a great story and is exactly what is meant by independent >> mobility. >> It does not mean going everywhere by yourself. >> >> Jean >> Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: >> http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm >> >> Search for old postings at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please >> visit the list home page at >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: >> http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm >> >> Search for old postings at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please >> visit the list home page at >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> > > > -- > Ajay Minocha > Mob : +91 - 7 8 2 7 1 8 8 4 5 5 > E mail : ajayminocha2...@rediffmail.com > ajaymanu...@gmail.com > > Register for AccessIndia convention
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Hi members I am 75% visually chalanged I have not used cane yet but now thinking to use it because of the motivation that I get from people like you and it's benifits when I walk on road if I ask somebody to help me in crossing the road they think that I am trying to pretend that's why I have decided to have cane with me because I wear my spectacles instead of gogles so what tips do you like to shair with me regarding the first use of cane? regards On 9/27/11, jayant garg wrote: > Hello friends > I like to raise one more thing to this topic which I think is missing so far > from our discussion that mobility is greatly dependent on the conditions > where we live in . I am 100% visually challenged and I have to travel around > 40 km daily from barnala where I live to sangrur where I work and from bus > stand I have to walk aroung 1km to reach my office . I have no formal > training in mobility and to great extent I don't know how to use cane but > the point I trying to make is delhi or Mumbai are 100 times more bigger > cities than barnala or sangrur and in small cities the condition of roads is > very ugly thereare many pits in the road and other than this the roads are > not smooth and the cane stucks sometimes and if u r going in a motion than u > most probably in front of cane and it is not a desirable situation when I > was in Chandigarh which is a bigger city than barnala or sangrur where the > traffic is more compared to barnala or sangrur I won't face such kind of > problems as the roads are more smoother and one more thing that I walk > through the main bazazar and the main road even in these places the > situation is not good when I started to go in the office for the first month > or so I was not able to locate the location of the pits or holes but now I > am able to find those by my cane as I have come to know about location of > these holes and pits the cane is very useful even if u don't know how to use > this as it lets the other people know that u have some kind of problem aand > they start to travel more carefully when they are near u regarding taking > help from people I never shy away from this when ever I think it necessary > there are all kind of people in this world some of them are ready to help us > and they r enough for me to walk around where ever I want to go . Having > confidence in your's ability is must and never take risk and never shy away > from taking help of others when ever u r in need if one does not offer u > help and don't hesitate asking other . to have a sighted escort is a > desirable situation but some of us are not able to afford it and self > independence is also desirable regarding struggling in some places it > happens and you have to accept it and you have to live with it it does not > matter what any one else is thinking what matters is that I am able to feed > my family on my own . > > -Original Message- > From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in > [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Jean Parker > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:11 AM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: [AI] tips to manage without escort? > > vamshi: > > This is a great story and is exactly what is meant by independent mobility. > It does not mean going everywhere by yourself. > > Jean > Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: > http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: > http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > -- Ajay Minocha Mob : +91 - 7 8 2 7 1 8 8 4 5 5 E mail : ajayminocha2...@rediffmail.com ajaymanu...@gmail.com Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] tips to manage without escort?
Hello friends I like to raise one more thing to this topic which I think is missing so far from our discussion that mobility is greatly dependent on the conditions where we live in . I am 100% visually challenged and I have to travel around 40 km daily from barnala where I live to sangrur where I work and from bus stand I have to walk aroung 1km to reach my office . I have no formal training in mobility and to great extent I don't know how to use cane but the point I trying to make is delhi or Mumbai are 100 times more bigger cities than barnala or sangrur and in small cities the condition of roads is very ugly thereare many pits in the road and other than this the roads are not smooth and the cane stucks sometimes and if u r going in a motion than u most probably in front of cane and it is not a desirable situation when I was in Chandigarh which is a bigger city than barnala or sangrur where the traffic is more compared to barnala or sangrur I won't face such kind of problems as the roads are more smoother and one more thing that I walk through the main bazazar and the main road even in these places the situation is not good when I started to go in the office for the first month or so I was not able to locate the location of the pits or holes but now I am able to find those by my cane as I have come to know about location of these holes and pits the cane is very useful even if u don't know how to use this as it lets the other people know that u have some kind of problem aand they start to travel more carefully when they are near u regarding taking help from people I never shy away from this when ever I think it necessary there are all kind of people in this world some of them are ready to help us and they r enough for me to walk around where ever I want to go . Having confidence in your's ability is must and never take risk and never shy away from taking help of others when ever u r in need if one does not offer u help and don't hesitate asking other . to have a sighted escort is a desirable situation but some of us are not able to afford it and self independence is also desirable regarding struggling in some places it happens and you have to accept it and you have to live with it it does not matter what any one else is thinking what matters is that I am able to feed my family on my own . -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Jean Parker Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:11 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: [AI] tips to manage without escort? vamshi: This is a great story and is exactly what is meant by independent mobility. It does not mean going everywhere by yourself. Jean Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?
Once I was returning from Shillong to Delhi and had just disembarked from the coach at Guvahati airport. When a lady who was a co-passenger in the coach asked me as to how I managed alone while travelling. I told her that I plan my trips in advance and take care of every small detail plus there are still nice people like her in the World . When you need them, they turn up. - Original Message - From: "Vamshi. G" To: Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? Back on the subject. No further comments on English language please. I have some vision but very poor mobility, especially in new places. I always wondered how visually challenged people walk alone with the help of a white cane. But most of my doubts have been wiped off during my recent trip to Pune. I had been to Pune to meet my friends. We were 5 of us with different vision conditions. We didn't have a permanent sighted guide but asked for the same as and when required in different places like hotels, resorts, pubs, shopping centers, etc. We even played in a water resort without asking for anyone’s help. There were some moments with slight risk, but no real dangers. And then came the final situation. I had my train back at 12 in the night. Raj, my friend at Pune, who himself is visually challenged, had to take me to the railway station from his home. We went to a hotel, had the dinner, then to the railway station, and finally to the right platform, all on our own, but not alone. Then I met a stranger with whom my ticket was booked by the agent, explained my problem to him and boarded the train with his help. I was surprised to see the help we were getting once we got out with this wonderful tool in our hand. We asked a person to help us cross the road to reach the station, he accompanied us all the way to the station. We asked the way to the desired platform, again we had someone taking us right to the over bridge. And as I said earlier, a total stranger helped me board the train and even gave his lower berth in exchange of my upper one. It was a real confidence booster for me. And it was only after this trip that I understood independent mobility doesn’t mean moving alone, it means moving without a fixed sighted guide from beginning to the end. Now I am really motivated to use the white cane. But I believe in professional training. So, once I undergo some training in mobility, I will move on my own. On 9/26/11, jignesh thakur wrote: > sir, > I hope your understanding might good as your English. > Expressions are more important then any language. > He properly conveyed what he wanted. Now you should tell us whats your > problem? > Are you writing for only sake of insulting other? > > > > On 9/26/11, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >> Exactly. >> English is nothing more than a medium of communication. >> >> On 26/09/2011, Mahesh Panicker wrote: >>> Away from the subject, but we've discussed this before, AI is not a >>> platform for teaching and learning english. The important thing is to >>> be able to convey the things, not so much about grammar and spelling. >>> Not all on this list can be so proficient in the english language. >>> Not intented to be rude or insulting, but thought someone has to state >>> it. >>> best, >>> >>> On 9/26/11, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >>>> Forgive me if I'm being rude, but are you an English teacher? >>>> >>>> On 26/09/2011, Phen Varghese wrote: >>>>> Dear, raj debbarman. >>>>> >>>>> When you type please check what you are typing. >>>>> There are a lot of mistakes. >>>>> Try to use MS word and spell check and copy it to your compose mail. >>>>> >>>>> With regards, >>>>> >>>>> Phen Varghese >>>>> >>>>> On 9/26/11, Raj Debbarma wrote: >>>>>> i strongly belief that white cane should use by everyone of us. >>>>>> every time its not possible to walk with your companion. yes it is >>>>>> importent to take help of sighted esistence but it is more asential >>>>>> to cary white cane along. >>>>>> if i tell you about me; i prefer to use white cane when i walk alone >>>>>> specially in public places like railwaystation, road, govt offices >>>>>> and >>>>>> hospitals etc. >>>>>> ya, when i go for hang out and colledge i'm always with my friends. >>>>>> i never be alone in such places like shopping maul, movie hall, >>>>>> discos, night clubs and restaurants etc. >>>>>> it doe
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or hang out and colledge i'm always with my friends. >>>>>>> i never be alone in such places like shopping maul, movie hall, >>>>>>> discos, night clubs and restaurants etc. >>>>>>> it doesn't mean that they are not ready to come apart from these >>>>>>> places. but in my personal work i prefer to do alone for my own >>>>>>> setisfection. >>>>>>> my family and my friends are so caring , they never want to live me >>>>>>> alone at any point of time. sometimes i find so much difficultys to >>>>>>> convince them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> thank you.. >>>>>>> regards >>>>>>> raj debbarman. >>>>>>> no: >>>>>>> +919545810447 >>>>>>> email: >>>>>>> rdbbarma...@gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 9/26/11, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >>>>>>>> Well said Vetri. >>>>>>>> Walking without cane, unescorted, is surely folly. >>>>>>>> However, using one's residual sight for mobility purposes instead of >>>>>>>> wasting >>>>>>>> it on reading and writing print as some folks do, is also a sound >>>>>>>> idea >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> have given to a few who have made a good use of it. >>>>>>>> But, for totally blind, apart from white cane, can echolocation be >>>>>>>> taught >>>>>>>> and practiced as a supplemental mobility aid, as some folks in US >>>>>>>> claim >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> do? >>>>>>>> Are they exceptions, or it can be cultivated as a technique? >>>>>>>> Would have been interesting to grapple with all these issues >>>>>>>> practically >>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>> AI convention, which I would regretfully miss. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anyway, I don't push away sometimes even unrequired mobility >>>>>>>> assistance >>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>> sighted, for who knows, lest they be repelled from assisting >>>>>>>> anybody. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>>>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>>>>>>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of >>>>>>>> Adhimoolam >>>>>>>> Vetrivel Murugan >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:56 AM >>>>>>>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But if you are looking for tips without white cane, then I am afraid >>>>>>>> that you are out of luck. Especially for someone with little or no >>>>>>>> vision, nothing can supstitute mobility aids like cane. If you are >>>>>>>> looking for tips with white cane, then that's a reasonable >>>>>>>> expectation >>>>>>>> and fokes here can provide tips to minimise the reliability on >>>>>>>> escorts. I would also like to bring another misconception to the >>>>>>>> forefront. Some fokes even among visually challenged consider >>>>>>>> someone >>>>>>>> walking around without cane being smart. I can say that there's >>>>>>>> nothing smart about it and it's actually stupid and such attitudes >>>>>>>> put >>>>>>>> himself or herself in danger. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Vetri. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 24/09/2011, Renuka Warriar wrote: >>>>>>>>> Sorry, in spite of all the views expressed in this thread, I could >>>>>>>>> not find any tips to manage without escort, except using the white >>>>>>>>> cane, and that too is not well explained. >>>>>>>>> Renuka. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>
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t;>>>> no: >>>>>> +919545810447 >>>>>> email: >>>>>> rdbbarma...@gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9/26/11, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >>>>>>> Well said Vetri. >>>>>>> Walking without cane, unescorted, is surely folly. >>>>>>> However, using one's residual sight for mobility purposes instead of >>>>>>> wasting >>>>>>> it on reading and writing print as some folks do, is also a sound >>>>>>> idea >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> have given to a few who have made a good use of it. >>>>>>> But, for totally blind, apart from white cane, can echolocation be >>>>>>> taught >>>>>>> and practiced as a supplemental mobility aid, as some folks in US >>>>>>> claim >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> do? >>>>>>> Are they exceptions, or it can be cultivated as a technique? >>>>>>> Would have been interesting to grapple with all these issues >>>>>>> practically >>>>>>> at >>>>>>> AI convention, which I would regretfully miss. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyway, I don't push away sometimes even unrequired mobility >>>>>>> assistance >>>>>>> by >>>>>>> sighted, for who knows, lest they be repelled from assisting anybody. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>>>>>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of >>>>>>> Adhimoolam >>>>>>> Vetrivel Murugan >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:56 AM >>>>>>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But if you are looking for tips without white cane, then I am afraid >>>>>>> that you are out of luck. Especially for someone with little or no >>>>>>> vision, nothing can supstitute mobility aids like cane. If you are >>>>>>> looking for tips with white cane, then that's a reasonable >>>>>>> expectation >>>>>>> and fokes here can provide tips to minimise the reliability on >>>>>>> escorts. I would also like to bring another misconception to the >>>>>>> forefront. Some fokes even among visually challenged consider someone >>>>>>> walking around without cane being smart. I can say that there's >>>>>>> nothing smart about it and it's actually stupid and such attitudes >>>>>>> put >>>>>>> himself or herself in danger. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Vetri. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 24/09/2011, Renuka Warriar wrote: >>>>>>>> Sorry, in spite of all the views expressed in this thread, I could >>>>>>>> not find any tips to manage without escort, except using the white >>>>>>>> cane, and that too is not well explained. >>>>>>>> Renuka. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 9/24/11, jignesh thakur wrote: >>>>>>>>> Friends, >>>>>>>>> First of all, I respect each views, and expect the same from all. >>>>>>>>> Somebody rightly said that this topic is more important then >>>>>>>>> screen >>>>>>>>> readers. >>>>>>>>> What is social dignity? If I am given 2 choices of so called social >>>>>>>>> dignity, and my independence, I would like to choose the second >>>>>>>>> one. >>>>>>>>> Though I am not good enough as far as mobility is concern yet for >>>>>>>>> me >>>>>>>>> personal satisfaction matters most. >>>>>>>>> Of course while you go with white can people will ask ridicules >>>>>>>>> questions, but I think it would happened more or less if you would >>>>>>>>> go >>>>>>>>> with sighte
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sir, I hope your understanding might good as your English. Expressions are more important then any language. He properly conveyed what he wanted. Now you should tell us whats your problem? Are you writing for only sake of insulting other? On 9/26/11, Rahul Bajaj wrote: > Exactly. > English is nothing more than a medium of communication. > > On 26/09/2011, Mahesh Panicker wrote: >> Away from the subject, but we've discussed this before, AI is not a >> platform for teaching and learning english. The important thing is to >> be able to convey the things, not so much about grammar and spelling. >> Not all on this list can be so proficient in the english language. >> Not intented to be rude or insulting, but thought someone has to state it. >> best, >> >> On 9/26/11, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >>> Forgive me if I'm being rude, but are you an English teacher? >>> >>> On 26/09/2011, Phen Varghese wrote: >>>> Dear, raj debbarman. >>>> >>>> When you type please check what you are typing. >>>> There are a lot of mistakes. >>>> Try to use MS word and spell check and copy it to your compose mail. >>>> >>>> With regards, >>>> >>>> Phen Varghese >>>> >>>> On 9/26/11, Raj Debbarma wrote: >>>>> i strongly belief that white cane should use by everyone of us. >>>>> every time its not possible to walk with your companion. yes it is >>>>> importent to take help of sighted esistence but it is more asential >>>>> to cary white cane along. >>>>> if i tell you about me; i prefer to use white cane when i walk alone >>>>> specially in public places like railwaystation, road, govt offices and >>>>> hospitals etc. >>>>> ya, when i go for hang out and colledge i'm always with my friends. >>>>> i never be alone in such places like shopping maul, movie hall, >>>>> discos, night clubs and restaurants etc. >>>>> it doesn't mean that they are not ready to come apart from these >>>>> places. but in my personal work i prefer to do alone for my own >>>>> setisfection. >>>>> my family and my friends are so caring , they never want to live me >>>>> alone at any point of time. sometimes i find so much difficultys to >>>>> convince them. >>>>> >>>>> thank you.. >>>>> regards >>>>> raj debbarman. >>>>> no: >>>>> +919545810447 >>>>> email: >>>>> rdbbarma...@gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> On 9/26/11, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >>>>>> Well said Vetri. >>>>>> Walking without cane, unescorted, is surely folly. >>>>>> However, using one's residual sight for mobility purposes instead of >>>>>> wasting >>>>>> it on reading and writing print as some folks do, is also a sound idea >>>>>> I >>>>>> have given to a few who have made a good use of it. >>>>>> But, for totally blind, apart from white cane, can echolocation be >>>>>> taught >>>>>> and practiced as a supplemental mobility aid, as some folks in US >>>>>> claim >>>>>> to >>>>>> do? >>>>>> Are they exceptions, or it can be cultivated as a technique? >>>>>> Would have been interesting to grapple with all these issues >>>>>> practically >>>>>> at >>>>>> AI convention, which I would regretfully miss. >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyway, I don't push away sometimes even unrequired mobility >>>>>> assistance >>>>>> by >>>>>> sighted, for who knows, lest they be repelled from assisting anybody. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>>>>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of >>>>>> Adhimoolam >>>>>> Vetrivel Murugan >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:56 AM >>>>>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >>>>>> >>>>>> But if you are looking for tips without white cane, then I am afraid >>>>>> that you are out of luck
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Exactly. English is nothing more than a medium of communication. On 26/09/2011, Mahesh Panicker wrote: > Away from the subject, but we've discussed this before, AI is not a > platform for teaching and learning english. The important thing is to > be able to convey the things, not so much about grammar and spelling. > Not all on this list can be so proficient in the english language. > Not intented to be rude or insulting, but thought someone has to state it. > best, > > On 9/26/11, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >> Forgive me if I'm being rude, but are you an English teacher? >> >> On 26/09/2011, Phen Varghese wrote: >>> Dear, raj debbarman. >>> >>> When you type please check what you are typing. >>> There are a lot of mistakes. >>> Try to use MS word and spell check and copy it to your compose mail. >>> >>> With regards, >>> >>> Phen Varghese >>> >>> On 9/26/11, Raj Debbarma wrote: >>>> i strongly belief that white cane should use by everyone of us. >>>> every time its not possible to walk with your companion. yes it is >>>> importent to take help of sighted esistence but it is more asential >>>> to cary white cane along. >>>> if i tell you about me; i prefer to use white cane when i walk alone >>>> specially in public places like railwaystation, road, govt offices and >>>> hospitals etc. >>>> ya, when i go for hang out and colledge i'm always with my friends. >>>> i never be alone in such places like shopping maul, movie hall, >>>> discos, night clubs and restaurants etc. >>>> it doesn't mean that they are not ready to come apart from these >>>> places. but in my personal work i prefer to do alone for my own >>>> setisfection. >>>> my family and my friends are so caring , they never want to live me >>>> alone at any point of time. sometimes i find so much difficultys to >>>> convince them. >>>> >>>> thank you.. >>>> regards >>>> raj debbarman. >>>> no: >>>> +919545810447 >>>> email: >>>> rdbbarma...@gmail.com >>>> >>>> On 9/26/11, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >>>>> Well said Vetri. >>>>> Walking without cane, unescorted, is surely folly. >>>>> However, using one's residual sight for mobility purposes instead of >>>>> wasting >>>>> it on reading and writing print as some folks do, is also a sound idea >>>>> I >>>>> have given to a few who have made a good use of it. >>>>> But, for totally blind, apart from white cane, can echolocation be >>>>> taught >>>>> and practiced as a supplemental mobility aid, as some folks in US claim >>>>> to >>>>> do? >>>>> Are they exceptions, or it can be cultivated as a technique? >>>>> Would have been interesting to grapple with all these issues >>>>> practically >>>>> at >>>>> AI convention, which I would regretfully miss. >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, I don't push away sometimes even unrequired mobility assistance >>>>> by >>>>> sighted, for who knows, lest they be repelled from assisting anybody. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>>>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Adhimoolam >>>>> Vetrivel Murugan >>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:56 AM >>>>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >>>>> >>>>> But if you are looking for tips without white cane, then I am afraid >>>>> that you are out of luck. Especially for someone with little or no >>>>> vision, nothing can supstitute mobility aids like cane. If you are >>>>> looking for tips with white cane, then that's a reasonable expectation >>>>> and fokes here can provide tips to minimise the reliability on >>>>> escorts. I would also like to bring another misconception to the >>>>> forefront. Some fokes even among visually challenged consider someone >>>>> walking around without cane being smart. I can say that there's >>>>> nothing smart about it and it's actually stupid and such attitudes put >>>>
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Away from the subject, but we've discussed this before, AI is not a platform for teaching and learning english. The important thing is to be able to convey the things, not so much about grammar and spelling. Not all on this list can be so proficient in the english language. Not intented to be rude or insulting, but thought someone has to state it. best, On 9/26/11, Rahul Bajaj wrote: > Forgive me if I'm being rude, but are you an English teacher? > > On 26/09/2011, Phen Varghese wrote: >> Dear, raj debbarman. >> >> When you type please check what you are typing. >> There are a lot of mistakes. >> Try to use MS word and spell check and copy it to your compose mail. >> >> With regards, >> >> Phen Varghese >> >> On 9/26/11, Raj Debbarma wrote: >>> i strongly belief that white cane should use by everyone of us. >>> every time its not possible to walk with your companion. yes it is >>> importent to take help of sighted esistence but it is more asential >>> to cary white cane along. >>> if i tell you about me; i prefer to use white cane when i walk alone >>> specially in public places like railwaystation, road, govt offices and >>> hospitals etc. >>> ya, when i go for hang out and colledge i'm always with my friends. >>> i never be alone in such places like shopping maul, movie hall, >>> discos, night clubs and restaurants etc. >>> it doesn't mean that they are not ready to come apart from these >>> places. but in my personal work i prefer to do alone for my own >>> setisfection. >>> my family and my friends are so caring , they never want to live me >>> alone at any point of time. sometimes i find so much difficultys to >>> convince them. >>> >>> thank you.. >>> regards >>> raj debbarman. >>> no: >>> +919545810447 >>> email: >>> rdbbarma...@gmail.com >>> >>> On 9/26/11, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >>>> Well said Vetri. >>>> Walking without cane, unescorted, is surely folly. >>>> However, using one's residual sight for mobility purposes instead of >>>> wasting >>>> it on reading and writing print as some folks do, is also a sound idea I >>>> have given to a few who have made a good use of it. >>>> But, for totally blind, apart from white cane, can echolocation be >>>> taught >>>> and practiced as a supplemental mobility aid, as some folks in US claim >>>> to >>>> do? >>>> Are they exceptions, or it can be cultivated as a technique? >>>> Would have been interesting to grapple with all these issues practically >>>> at >>>> AI convention, which I would regretfully miss. >>>> >>>> Anyway, I don't push away sometimes even unrequired mobility assistance >>>> by >>>> sighted, for who knows, lest they be repelled from assisting anybody. >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Adhimoolam >>>> Vetrivel Murugan >>>> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:56 AM >>>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >>>> >>>> But if you are looking for tips without white cane, then I am afraid >>>> that you are out of luck. Especially for someone with little or no >>>> vision, nothing can supstitute mobility aids like cane. If you are >>>> looking for tips with white cane, then that's a reasonable expectation >>>> and fokes here can provide tips to minimise the reliability on >>>> escorts. I would also like to bring another misconception to the >>>> forefront. Some fokes even among visually challenged consider someone >>>> walking around without cane being smart. I can say that there's >>>> nothing smart about it and it's actually stupid and such attitudes put >>>> himself or herself in danger. >>>> >>>> Vetri. >>>> >>>> On 24/09/2011, Renuka Warriar wrote: >>>>> Sorry, in spite of all the views expressed in this thread, I could >>>>> not find any tips to manage without escort, except using the white >>>>> cane, and that too is not well explained. >>>>> Renuka. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 9/24/11, jignesh
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Forgive me if I'm being rude, but are you an English teacher? On 26/09/2011, Phen Varghese wrote: > Dear, raj debbarman. > > When you type please check what you are typing. > There are a lot of mistakes. > Try to use MS word and spell check and copy it to your compose mail. > > With regards, > > Phen Varghese > > On 9/26/11, Raj Debbarma wrote: >> i strongly belief that white cane should use by everyone of us. >> every time its not possible to walk with your companion. yes it is >> importent to take help of sighted esistence but it is more asential >> to cary white cane along. >> if i tell you about me; i prefer to use white cane when i walk alone >> specially in public places like railwaystation, road, govt offices and >> hospitals etc. >> ya, when i go for hang out and colledge i'm always with my friends. >> i never be alone in such places like shopping maul, movie hall, >> discos, night clubs and restaurants etc. >> it doesn't mean that they are not ready to come apart from these >> places. but in my personal work i prefer to do alone for my own >> setisfection. >> my family and my friends are so caring , they never want to live me >> alone at any point of time. sometimes i find so much difficultys to >> convince them. >> >> thank you.. >> regards >> raj debbarman. >> no: >> +919545810447 >> email: >> rdbbarma...@gmail.com >> >> On 9/26/11, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >>> Well said Vetri. >>> Walking without cane, unescorted, is surely folly. >>> However, using one's residual sight for mobility purposes instead of >>> wasting >>> it on reading and writing print as some folks do, is also a sound idea I >>> have given to a few who have made a good use of it. >>> But, for totally blind, apart from white cane, can echolocation be taught >>> and practiced as a supplemental mobility aid, as some folks in US claim >>> to >>> do? >>> Are they exceptions, or it can be cultivated as a technique? >>> Would have been interesting to grapple with all these issues practically >>> at >>> AI convention, which I would regretfully miss. >>> >>> Anyway, I don't push away sometimes even unrequired mobility assistance >>> by >>> sighted, for who knows, lest they be repelled from assisting anybody. >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Adhimoolam >>> Vetrivel Murugan >>> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:56 AM >>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >>> >>> But if you are looking for tips without white cane, then I am afraid >>> that you are out of luck. Especially for someone with little or no >>> vision, nothing can supstitute mobility aids like cane. If you are >>> looking for tips with white cane, then that's a reasonable expectation >>> and fokes here can provide tips to minimise the reliability on >>> escorts. I would also like to bring another misconception to the >>> forefront. Some fokes even among visually challenged consider someone >>> walking around without cane being smart. I can say that there's >>> nothing smart about it and it's actually stupid and such attitudes put >>> himself or herself in danger. >>> >>> Vetri. >>> >>> On 24/09/2011, Renuka Warriar wrote: >>>> Sorry, in spite of all the views expressed in this thread, I could >>>> not find any tips to manage without escort, except using the white >>>> cane, and that too is not well explained. >>>> Renuka. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 9/24/11, jignesh thakur wrote: >>>>> Friends, >>>>> First of all, I respect each views, and expect the same from all. >>>>> Somebody rightly said that this topic is more important then screen >>>>> readers. >>>>> What is social dignity? If I am given 2 choices of so called social >>>>> dignity, and my independence, I would like to choose the second one. >>>>> Though I am not good enough as far as mobility is concern yet for me >>>>> personal satisfaction matters most. >>>>> Of course while you go with white can people will ask ridicules >>>>> questions, but I think it would happened more or less if you would go >>>>
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thank you so much sir. i didn't check before sand this mail. Randomly I’ve sanded the mail. I extremely apologize for this. Definitely, I’ll take care of it. regards raj debbarman On 9/26/11, Phen Varghese wrote: > Dear, raj debbarman. > > When you type please check what you are typing. > There are a lot of mistakes. > Try to use MS word and spell check and copy it to your compose mail. > > With regards, > > Phen Varghese > > On 9/26/11, Raj Debbarma wrote: >> i strongly belief that white cane should use by everyone of us. >> every time its not possible to walk with your companion. yes it is >> importent to take help of sighted esistence but it is more asential >> to cary white cane along. >> if i tell you about me; i prefer to use white cane when i walk alone >> specially in public places like railwaystation, road, govt offices and >> hospitals etc. >> ya, when i go for hang out and colledge i'm always with my friends. >> i never be alone in such places like shopping maul, movie hall, >> discos, night clubs and restaurants etc. >> it doesn't mean that they are not ready to come apart from these >> places. but in my personal work i prefer to do alone for my own >> setisfection. >> my family and my friends are so caring , they never want to live me >> alone at any point of time. sometimes i find so much difficultys to >> convince them. >> >> thank you.. >> regards >> raj debbarman. >> no: >> +919545810447 >> email: >> rdbbarma...@gmail.com >> >> On 9/26/11, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >>> Well said Vetri. >>> Walking without cane, unescorted, is surely folly. >>> However, using one's residual sight for mobility purposes instead of >>> wasting >>> it on reading and writing print as some folks do, is also a sound idea I >>> have given to a few who have made a good use of it. >>> But, for totally blind, apart from white cane, can echolocation be taught >>> and practiced as a supplemental mobility aid, as some folks in US claim >>> to >>> do? >>> Are they exceptions, or it can be cultivated as a technique? >>> Would have been interesting to grapple with all these issues practically >>> at >>> AI convention, which I would regretfully miss. >>> >>> Anyway, I don't push away sometimes even unrequired mobility assistance >>> by >>> sighted, for who knows, lest they be repelled from assisting anybody. >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Adhimoolam >>> Vetrivel Murugan >>> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:56 AM >>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >>> >>> But if you are looking for tips without white cane, then I am afraid >>> that you are out of luck. Especially for someone with little or no >>> vision, nothing can supstitute mobility aids like cane. If you are >>> looking for tips with white cane, then that's a reasonable expectation >>> and fokes here can provide tips to minimise the reliability on >>> escorts. I would also like to bring another misconception to the >>> forefront. Some fokes even among visually challenged consider someone >>> walking around without cane being smart. I can say that there's >>> nothing smart about it and it's actually stupid and such attitudes put >>> himself or herself in danger. >>> >>> Vetri. >>> >>> On 24/09/2011, Renuka Warriar wrote: >>>> Sorry, in spite of all the views expressed in this thread, I could >>>> not find any tips to manage without escort, except using the white >>>> cane, and that too is not well explained. >>>> Renuka. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 9/24/11, jignesh thakur wrote: >>>>> Friends, >>>>> First of all, I respect each views, and expect the same from all. >>>>> Somebody rightly said that this topic is more important then screen >>>>> readers. >>>>> What is social dignity? If I am given 2 choices of so called social >>>>> dignity, and my independence, I would like to choose the second one. >>>>> Though I am not good enough as far as mobility is concern yet for me >>>>> personal satisfaction matters most. >>>>> Of course while you go with white can people will
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Dear, raj debbarman. When you type please check what you are typing. There are a lot of mistakes. Try to use MS word and spell check and copy it to your compose mail. With regards, Phen Varghese On 9/26/11, Raj Debbarma wrote: > i strongly belief that white cane should use by everyone of us. > every time its not possible to walk with your companion. yes it is > importent to take help of sighted esistence but it is more asential > to cary white cane along. > if i tell you about me; i prefer to use white cane when i walk alone > specially in public places like railwaystation, road, govt offices and > hospitals etc. > ya, when i go for hang out and colledge i'm always with my friends. > i never be alone in such places like shopping maul, movie hall, > discos, night clubs and restaurants etc. > it doesn't mean that they are not ready to come apart from these > places. but in my personal work i prefer to do alone for my own > setisfection. > my family and my friends are so caring , they never want to live me > alone at any point of time. sometimes i find so much difficultys to > convince them. > > thank you.. > regards > raj debbarman. > no: > +919545810447 > email: > rdbbarma...@gmail.com > > On 9/26/11, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >> Well said Vetri. >> Walking without cane, unescorted, is surely folly. >> However, using one's residual sight for mobility purposes instead of >> wasting >> it on reading and writing print as some folks do, is also a sound idea I >> have given to a few who have made a good use of it. >> But, for totally blind, apart from white cane, can echolocation be taught >> and practiced as a supplemental mobility aid, as some folks in US claim to >> do? >> Are they exceptions, or it can be cultivated as a technique? >> Would have been interesting to grapple with all these issues practically >> at >> AI convention, which I would regretfully miss. >> >> Anyway, I don't push away sometimes even unrequired mobility assistance by >> sighted, for who knows, lest they be repelled from assisting anybody. >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Adhimoolam >> Vetrivel Murugan >> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:56 AM >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >> >> But if you are looking for tips without white cane, then I am afraid >> that you are out of luck. Especially for someone with little or no >> vision, nothing can supstitute mobility aids like cane. If you are >> looking for tips with white cane, then that's a reasonable expectation >> and fokes here can provide tips to minimise the reliability on >> escorts. I would also like to bring another misconception to the >> forefront. Some fokes even among visually challenged consider someone >> walking around without cane being smart. I can say that there's >> nothing smart about it and it's actually stupid and such attitudes put >> himself or herself in danger. >> >> Vetri. >> >> On 24/09/2011, Renuka Warriar wrote: >>> Sorry, in spite of all the views expressed in this thread, I could >>> not find any tips to manage without escort, except using the white >>> cane, and that too is not well explained. >>> Renuka. >>> >>> >>> On 9/24/11, jignesh thakur wrote: >>>> Friends, >>>> First of all, I respect each views, and expect the same from all. >>>> Somebody rightly said that this topic is more important then screen >>>> readers. >>>> What is social dignity? If I am given 2 choices of so called social >>>> dignity, and my independence, I would like to choose the second one. >>>> Though I am not good enough as far as mobility is concern yet for me >>>> personal satisfaction matters most. >>>> Of course while you go with white can people will ask ridicules >>>> questions, but I think it would happened more or less if you would go >>>> with sighted escort. And one can reduce risk factor by developing good >>>> mobility. >>>> I have seen many visually impaired people who manage very well without >>>> sighted escort. >>>> Above all, self satisfaction is really important. >>>> Though it's tough to manage without escort but with confidence it is >>>> possible. >>>> I don't want to say that we should not use escort, its necessary >>>> s
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i strongly belief that white cane should use by everyone of us. every time its not possible to walk with your companion. yes it is importent to take help of sighted esistence but it is more asential to cary white cane along. if i tell you about me; i prefer to use white cane when i walk alone specially in public places like railwaystation, road, govt offices and hospitals etc. ya, when i go for hang out and colledge i'm always with my friends. i never be alone in such places like shopping maul, movie hall, discos, night clubs and restaurants etc. it doesn't mean that they are not ready to come apart from these places. but in my personal work i prefer to do alone for my own setisfection. my family and my friends are so caring , they never want to live me alone at any point of time. sometimes i find so much difficultys to convince them. thank you.. regards raj debbarman. no: +919545810447 email: rdbbarma...@gmail.com On 9/26/11, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: > Well said Vetri. > Walking without cane, unescorted, is surely folly. > However, using one's residual sight for mobility purposes instead of wasting > it on reading and writing print as some folks do, is also a sound idea I > have given to a few who have made a good use of it. > But, for totally blind, apart from white cane, can echolocation be taught > and practiced as a supplemental mobility aid, as some folks in US claim to > do? > Are they exceptions, or it can be cultivated as a technique? > Would have been interesting to grapple with all these issues practically at > AI convention, which I would regretfully miss. > > Anyway, I don't push away sometimes even unrequired mobility assistance by > sighted, for who knows, lest they be repelled from assisting anybody. > > > -Original Message- > From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in > [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Adhimoolam > Vetrivel Murugan > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:56 AM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? > > But if you are looking for tips without white cane, then I am afraid > that you are out of luck. Especially for someone with little or no > vision, nothing can supstitute mobility aids like cane. If you are > looking for tips with white cane, then that's a reasonable expectation > and fokes here can provide tips to minimise the reliability on > escorts. I would also like to bring another misconception to the > forefront. Some fokes even among visually challenged consider someone > walking around without cane being smart. I can say that there's > nothing smart about it and it's actually stupid and such attitudes put > himself or herself in danger. > > Vetri. > > On 24/09/2011, Renuka Warriar wrote: >> Sorry, in spite of all the views expressed in this thread, I could >> not find any tips to manage without escort, except using the white >> cane, and that too is not well explained. >> Renuka. >> >> >> On 9/24/11, jignesh thakur wrote: >>> Friends, >>> First of all, I respect each views, and expect the same from all. >>> Somebody rightly said that this topic is more important then screen >>> readers. >>> What is social dignity? If I am given 2 choices of so called social >>> dignity, and my independence, I would like to choose the second one. >>> Though I am not good enough as far as mobility is concern yet for me >>> personal satisfaction matters most. >>> Of course while you go with white can people will ask ridicules >>> questions, but I think it would happened more or less if you would go >>> with sighted escort. And one can reduce risk factor by developing good >>> mobility. >>> I have seen many visually impaired people who manage very well without >>> sighted escort. >>> Above all, self satisfaction is really important. >>> Though it's tough to manage without escort but with confidence it is >>> possible. >>> I don't want to say that we should not use escort, its necessary >>> sometime to have sighted person with you. But we should honestly try >>> to reduce sighted assistance as much as possible. >>> let me thanks rajesh sir for this topic on the list. >>> Thanks... >>> >>> >>> On 9/23/11, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> First of all, I'm glad to see this thread. >>>> I think that this matters more than all other screen readers, >>>> assistive devices and all such other things. >>>> >>>> Even I fail to comprehend how totally blind people are able to mo
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Well said Vetri. Walking without cane, unescorted, is surely folly. However, using one's residual sight for mobility purposes instead of wasting it on reading and writing print as some folks do, is also a sound idea I have given to a few who have made a good use of it. But, for totally blind, apart from white cane, can echolocation be taught and practiced as a supplemental mobility aid, as some folks in US claim to do? Are they exceptions, or it can be cultivated as a technique? Would have been interesting to grapple with all these issues practically at AI convention, which I would regretfully miss. Anyway, I don't push away sometimes even unrequired mobility assistance by sighted, for who knows, lest they be repelled from assisting anybody. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:56 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? But if you are looking for tips without white cane, then I am afraid that you are out of luck. Especially for someone with little or no vision, nothing can supstitute mobility aids like cane. If you are looking for tips with white cane, then that's a reasonable expectation and fokes here can provide tips to minimise the reliability on escorts. I would also like to bring another misconception to the forefront. Some fokes even among visually challenged consider someone walking around without cane being smart. I can say that there's nothing smart about it and it's actually stupid and such attitudes put himself or herself in danger. Vetri. On 24/09/2011, Renuka Warriar wrote: > Sorry, in spite of all the views expressed in this thread, I could > not find any tips to manage without escort, except using the white > cane, and that too is not well explained. > Renuka. > > > On 9/24/11, jignesh thakur wrote: >> Friends, >> First of all, I respect each views, and expect the same from all. >> Somebody rightly said that this topic is more important then screen >> readers. >> What is social dignity? If I am given 2 choices of so called social >> dignity, and my independence, I would like to choose the second one. >> Though I am not good enough as far as mobility is concern yet for me >> personal satisfaction matters most. >> Of course while you go with white can people will ask ridicules >> questions, but I think it would happened more or less if you would go >> with sighted escort. And one can reduce risk factor by developing good >> mobility. >> I have seen many visually impaired people who manage very well without >> sighted escort. >> Above all, self satisfaction is really important. >> Though it's tough to manage without escort but with confidence it is >> possible. >> I don't want to say that we should not use escort, its necessary >> sometime to have sighted person with you. But we should honestly try >> to reduce sighted assistance as much as possible. >> let me thanks rajesh sir for this topic on the list. >> Thanks... >> >> >> On 9/23/11, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> First of all, I'm glad to see this thread. >>> I think that this matters more than all other screen readers, >>> assistive devices and all such other things. >>> >>> Even I fail to comprehend how totally blind people are able to move >>> on their own. >>> I have always taken the help of sighted guides for moving around. >>> Many people also feel that those who require sighted assistance are >>> more dependent on others than those who use white canes are. >>> >>> I personally feel that it's better to take the help of a sighted guide >>> instead of fumbling around just to prove that you are not dependent on >>> others. >>> Of course, there are people who are truly independent and do not >>> require much sighted assistance, but, like I said earlier, I really >>> don't know how they actually manage it. >>> >>> I feel that people, in general, have a very negative attitude towards >>> those who use white canes. >>> I'm not saying that they hate blind people, but there is a drastic >>> change in their behavior. >>> They start interfering unnecessarily in order to assist you, or they >>> start asking ridiculous questions. >>> All this also happens if you move around with a sighted guide, but I >>> believe that it happens more if you use a white cane. >>> Of course, this method also has its flaws, but what other option do we >>
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BTW, what is echolocation? How does it work? On 24/09/2011, Madhu Singhal wrote: > Dear Members, > I will say two things require. 1 White cane.2 Confidence. > We should know the right tacnic to use the cane. It will make you walk > comfortably. > But new surroundings surely you should have confidence and you should not > feel shy to ask public help. It needs lot of patience.- Original > Message - > From: "Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:55 AM > Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? > > > But if you are looking for tips without white cane, then I am afraid > that you are out of luck. Especially for someone with little or no > vision, nothing can supstitute mobility aids like cane. If you are > looking for tips with white cane, then that's a reasonable expectation > and fokes here can provide tips to minimise the reliability on > escorts. I would also like to bring another misconception to the > forefront. Some fokes even among visually challenged consider someone > walking around without cane being smart. I can say that there's > nothing smart about it and it's actually stupid and such attitudes put > himself or herself in danger. > > Vetri. > > On 24/09/2011, Renuka Warriar wrote: >> Sorry, in spite of all the views expressed in this thread, I could >> not find any tips to manage without escort, except using the white >> cane, and that too is not well explained. >> Renuka. >> >> >> On 9/24/11, jignesh thakur wrote: >>> Friends, >>> First of all, I respect each views, and expect the same from all. >>> Somebody rightly said that this topic is more important then screen >>> readers. >>> What is social dignity? If I am given 2 choices of so called social >>> dignity, and my independence, I would like to choose the second one. >>> Though I am not good enough as far as mobility is concern yet for me >>> personal satisfaction matters most. >>> Of course while you go with white can people will ask ridicules >>> questions, but I think it would happened more or less if you would go >>> with sighted escort. And one can reduce risk factor by developing good >>> mobility. >>> I have seen many visually impaired people who manage very well without >>> sighted escort. >>> Above all, self satisfaction is really important. >>> Though it’s tough to manage without escort but with confidence it is >>> possible. >>> I don’t want to say that we should not use escort, its necessary >>> sometime to have sighted person with you. But we should honestly try >>> to reduce sighted assistance as much as possible. >>> let me thanks rajesh sir for this topic on the list. >>> Thanks… >>> >>> >>> On 9/23/11, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> First of all, I'm glad to see this thread. >>>> I think that this matters more than all other screen readers, >>>> assistive devices and all such other things. >>>> >>>> Even I fail to comprehend how totally blind people are able to move >>>> on their own. >>>> I have always taken the help of sighted guides for moving around. >>>> Many people also feel that those who require sighted assistance are >>>> more dependent on others than those who use white canes are. >>>> >>>> I personally feel that it's better to take the help of a sighted guide >>>> instead of fumbling around just to prove that you are not dependent on >>>> others. >>>> Of course, there are people who are truly independent and do not >>>> require much sighted assistance, but, like I said earlier, I really >>>> don't know how they actually manage it. >>>> >>>> I feel that people, in general, have a very negative attitude towards >>>> those who use white canes. >>>> I'm not saying that they hate blind people, but there is a drastic >>>> change in their behavior. >>>> They start interfering unnecessarily in order to assist you, or they >>>> start asking ridiculous questions. >>>> All this also happens if you move around with a sighted guide, but I >>>> believe that it happens more if you use a white cane. >>>> Of course, this method also has its flaws, but what other option do we >>>> have? >>>> >>>> On 23/09/2011, Mahesh Panicker wrote: >>>>> The over emphasis placed on independent living is
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Dear Members, I will say two things require. 1 White cane.2 Confidence. We should know the right tacnic to use the cane. It will make you walk comfortably. But new surroundings surely you should have confidence and you should not feel shy to ask public help. It needs lot of patience.- Original Message - From: "Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan" To: Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? But if you are looking for tips without white cane, then I am afraid that you are out of luck. Especially for someone with little or no vision, nothing can supstitute mobility aids like cane. If you are looking for tips with white cane, then that's a reasonable expectation and fokes here can provide tips to minimise the reliability on escorts. I would also like to bring another misconception to the forefront. Some fokes even among visually challenged consider someone walking around without cane being smart. I can say that there's nothing smart about it and it's actually stupid and such attitudes put himself or herself in danger. Vetri. On 24/09/2011, Renuka Warriar wrote: Sorry, in spite of all the views expressed in this thread, I could not find any tips to manage without escort, except using the white cane, and that too is not well explained. Renuka. On 9/24/11, jignesh thakur wrote: Friends, First of all, I respect each views, and expect the same from all. Somebody rightly said that this topic is more important then screen readers. What is social dignity? If I am given 2 choices of so called social dignity, and my independence, I would like to choose the second one. Though I am not good enough as far as mobility is concern yet for me personal satisfaction matters most. Of course while you go with white can people will ask ridicules questions, but I think it would happened more or less if you would go with sighted escort. And one can reduce risk factor by developing good mobility. I have seen many visually impaired people who manage very well without sighted escort. Above all, self satisfaction is really important. Though it’s tough to manage without escort but with confidence it is possible. I don’t want to say that we should not use escort, its necessary sometime to have sighted person with you. But we should honestly try to reduce sighted assistance as much as possible. let me thanks rajesh sir for this topic on the list. Thanks… On 9/23/11, Rahul Bajaj wrote: Hi all, First of all, I'm glad to see this thread. I think that this matters more than all other screen readers, assistive devices and all such other things. Even I fail to comprehend how totally blind people are able to move on their own. I have always taken the help of sighted guides for moving around. Many people also feel that those who require sighted assistance are more dependent on others than those who use white canes are. I personally feel that it's better to take the help of a sighted guide instead of fumbling around just to prove that you are not dependent on others. Of course, there are people who are truly independent and do not require much sighted assistance, but, like I said earlier, I really don't know how they actually manage it. I feel that people, in general, have a very negative attitude towards those who use white canes. I'm not saying that they hate blind people, but there is a drastic change in their behavior. They start interfering unnecessarily in order to assist you, or they start asking ridiculous questions. All this also happens if you move around with a sighted guide, but I believe that it happens more if you use a white cane. Of course, this method also has its flaws, but what other option do we have? On 23/09/2011, Mahesh Panicker wrote: The over emphasis placed on independent living is the result of the disability rights movement, in its social model version, simply accepting the liberal-modern notion of the individual as rational, free and independent. We need to may be think further in lines of human interdependence rather than any utopian notion of independent living, its a myth, not only for the disabled, but also for the non-disabled. When faced with a disadvantageous and dangerous environment, I would rather prefer an escort, than getting injured. Best, On 9/23/11, Anirban Mukherjee wrote: i entirely agree with what Himanshu sir has said. i work in a rural area in pashchimbanga and day in and day out have to encounter difficulties like coliding with someone or with some object which really hurt due particularly to the irresponsibility of some persons without visual impairment. the rail station where i usually board my train from becomes almost inaccessible in the evenings because of the abundance of small shops where things of use are sold. there were times when i nearly fell to the railway tracks. moreover many people don't know how to use a pavement. pavements in larger cit
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well you can not go on, what people may say or ask questions, one should ignore them. if you go alone with your cane they may say, why dont you get some one to go with you, and if you go with escort, that we are so poor, that we can't go alone, let alone do anything els in life. At 07:04 AM 9/24/2011, you wrote: Friends, First of all, I respect each views, and expect the same from all. Somebody rightly said that this topic is more important then screen readers. What is social dignity? If I am given 2 choices of so called social dignity, and my independence, I would like to choose the second one. Though I am not good enough as far as mobility is concern yet for me personal satisfaction matters most. Of course while you go with white can people will ask ridicules questions, but I think it would happened more or less if you would go with sighted escort. And one can reduce risk factor by developing good mobility. I have seen many visually impaired people who manage very well without sighted escort. Above all, self satisfaction is really important. Though its tough to manage without escort but with confidence it is possible. I dont want to say that we should not use escort, its necessary sometime to have sighted person with you. But we should honestly try to reduce sighted assistance as much as possible. let me thanks rajesh sir for this topic on the list. Thanks On 9/23/11, Rahul Bajaj wrote: > Hi all, > > First of all, I'm glad to see this thread. > I think that this matters more than all other screen readers, > assistive devices and all such other things. > > Even I fail to comprehend how totally blind people are able to move > on their own. > I have always taken the help of sighted guides for moving around. > Many people also feel that those who require sighted assistance are > more dependent on others than those who use white canes are. > > I personally feel that it's better to take the help of a sighted guide > instead of fumbling around just to prove that you are not dependent on > others. > Of course, there are people who are truly independent and do not > require much sighted assistance, but, like I said earlier, I really > don't know how they actually manage it. > > I feel that people, in general, have a very negative attitude towards > those who use white canes. > I'm not saying that they hate blind people, but there is a drastic > change in their behavior. > They start interfering unnecessarily in order to assist you, or they > start asking ridiculous questions. > All this also happens if you move around with a sighted guide, but I > believe that it happens more if you use a white cane. > Of course, this method also has its flaws, but what other option do we have? > > On 23/09/2011, Mahesh Panicker wrote: >> The over emphasis placed on independent living is the result of the >> disability rights movement, in its social model version, simply >> accepting the liberal-modern notion of the individual as rational, >> free and independent. >> We need to may be think further in lines of human interdependence >> rather than any utopian notion of independent living, its a myth, not >> only for the disabled, but also for the non-disabled. >> When faced with a disadvantageous and dangerous environment, I would >> rather prefer an escort, than getting injured. >> Best, >> >> On 9/23/11, Anirban Mukherjee wrote: >>> i entirely agree with what Himanshu sir has said. i work in a rural >>> area in pashchimbanga and day in and day out have to encounter >>> difficulties like coliding with someone or with some object which >>> really hurt due particularly to the irresponsibility of some persons >>> without visual impairment. the rail station where i usually board my >>> train from becomes almost inaccessible in the evenings because of the >>> abundance of small shops where things of use are sold. there were >>> times when i nearly fell to the railway tracks. >>> >>> moreover many people don't know how to use a pavement. pavements in >>> larger cities here are dangerous to say the least for even a sighted >>> person; for a visually challanged person it is almost a nightmare. in >>> rural roads, there are no pavement or anything. so escort becomes a >>> necessity. but undoubtedly, moving alone is the most satisfying thing >>> irrespective of fumbling or no fumbling. but there is no heroism in >>> falling down and injuring oneself. >>> >>> we can enough philosophise regarding independence. but under the >>> present circumstance it is an illusive thing for us. hope one day will >>> come when this topic itself will become redun
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ironment, I would >>>>> rather prefer an escort, than getting injured. >>>>> Best, >>>>> >>>>> On 9/23/11, Anirban Mukherjee wrote: >>>>>> i entirely agree with what Himanshu sir has said. i work in a rural >>>>>> area in pashchimbanga and day in and day out have to encounter >>>>>> difficulties like coliding with someone or with some object which >>>>>> really hurt due particularly to the irresponsibility of some persons >>>>>> without visual impairment. the rail station where i usually board my >>>>>> train from becomes almost inaccessible in the evenings because of the >>>>>> abundance of small shops where things of use are sold. there were >>>>>> times when i nearly fell to the railway tracks. >>>>>> >>>>>> moreover many people don't know how to use a pavement. pavements in >>>>>> larger cities here are dangerous to say the least for even a sighted >>>>>> person; for a visually challanged person it is almost a nightmare. in >>>>>> rural roads, there are no pavement or anything. so escort becomes a >>>>>> necessity. but undoubtedly, moving alone is the most satisfying thing >>>>>> irrespective of fumbling or no fumbling. but there is no heroism in >>>>>> falling down and injuring oneself. >>>>>> >>>>>> we can enough philosophise regarding independence. but under the >>>>>> present circumstance it is an illusive thing for us. hope one day will >>>>>> come when this topic itself will become redundant. >>>>>> >>>>>> with thanks and regards, Anirban Mukherjee. >>>>>> cell: 09433305139 >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9/23/11, BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA wrote: >>>>>>> if a word hold is objectionable, the word grip can be replace withit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>>> From: "Raj Debbarma" >>>>>>> To: >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 8:58 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> hi sir, >>>>>>>> i agree with all your point. >>>>>>>> i don't find anything wrong to use cane specially in new surrounding >>>>>>>> and also belief nothing wrong to ask direction to find our way. >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> terms of holding hand, what i think there might be cultural >>>>>>>> differences reguarding this. but if you are caring cane its >>>>>>>> automatically represent your blindness twards the society that >>>>>>>> point >>>>>>>> of time if anyone hold your hand, i don't think anybody should >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> any sort of problem. >>>>>>>> its raj, have a nice day ahead to all of you. cheers >>>>>>>> thank you.. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 9/22/11, Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is an interesting subject and here are my views: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> First, It does not matter whether we fumble around to find our ways >>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>> not. What matters is our ability to reach our destination on time >>>>>>>>> without hurting our-self. In relation to that, who cares about >>>>>>>>> others >>>>>>>>> thinking when we fumble around to find our ways? Ones we adopt that >>>>>>>>> mentality, then words like social dignity will make very little >>>>>>>>> sense. >>>>>>>>> Second, I would like to draw the attention to the point that Jean >>>>>>>>> made. There is a significant cultural difference in terms of >>>>>>>>> holding >>>>>>>>> someone else's hand. I am sure that visually challenged people in >>>>>>>>> India will agree with the fact that we don
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Hi to all, I am looking for tips with the cane, what I want to know that, inspire of our normal cane, do we have any other type? like something with vibration or sound or something like that? I had herd that there were some development of that btw am not sure about where is the availability of it. and what is K sonar? Please can you give information as to: 1. how to use it? 2. is suitable for our roads in India? 3. where is it available? 4. their cost and contact details, e mail id is preferred. Hope to get some information from some one soon. Thanks a lot. "Disability Creates Barrier But Determination Breaks Them!" SBI ANDHERI WEST Mumbai. Regards. Mamta. --- Disclaimer --- The information in this mail is confidential and is intended solely for addressee. Access to this mail by anyone else is unauthorised. Copying or further distribution beyond the original recipient may be unlawful. Any opinion expressed in this mail is that of sender and does not necessarily reflect that of State Bank group. --- Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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ous and dangerous environment, I would >>>>> rather prefer an escort, than getting injured. >>>>> Best, >>>>> >>>>> On 9/23/11, Anirban Mukherjee wrote: >>>>>> i entirely agree with what Himanshu sir has said. i work in a rural >>>>>> area in pashchimbanga and day in and day out have to encounter >>>>>> difficulties like coliding with someone or with some object which >>>>>> really hurt due particularly to the irresponsibility of some persons >>>>>> without visual impairment. the rail station where i usually board my >>>>>> train from becomes almost inaccessible in the evenings because of the >>>>>> abundance of small shops where things of use are sold. there were >>>>>> times when i nearly fell to the railway tracks. >>>>>> >>>>>> moreover many people don't know how to use a pavement. pavements in >>>>>> larger cities here are dangerous to say the least for even a sighted >>>>>> person; for a visually challanged person it is almost a nightmare. in >>>>>> rural roads, there are no pavement or anything. so escort becomes a >>>>>> necessity. but undoubtedly, moving alone is the most satisfying thing >>>>>> irrespective of fumbling or no fumbling. but there is no heroism in >>>>>> falling down and injuring oneself. >>>>>> >>>>>> we can enough philosophise regarding independence. but under the >>>>>> present circumstance it is an illusive thing for us. hope one day will >>>>>> come when this topic itself will become redundant. >>>>>> >>>>>> with thanks and regards, Anirban Mukherjee. >>>>>> cell: 09433305139 >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9/23/11, BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA wrote: >>>>>>> if a word hold is objectionable, the word grip can be replace withit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>>> From: "Raj Debbarma" >>>>>>> To: >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 8:58 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> hi sir, >>>>>>>> i agree with all your point. >>>>>>>> i don't find anything wrong to use cane specially in new surrounding >>>>>>>> and also belief nothing wrong to ask direction to find our way. >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> terms of holding hand, what i think there might be cultural >>>>>>>> differences reguarding this. but if you are caring cane its >>>>>>>> automatically represent your blindness twards the society that >>>>>>>> point >>>>>>>> of time if anyone hold your hand, i don't think anybody should >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> any sort of problem. >>>>>>>> its raj, have a nice day ahead to all of you. cheers >>>>>>>> thank you.. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 9/22/11, Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is an interesting subject and here are my views: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> First, It does not matter whether we fumble around to find our ways >>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>> not. What matters is our ability to reach our destination on time >>>>>>>>> without hurting our-self. In relation to that, who cares about >>>>>>>>> others >>>>>>>>> thinking when we fumble around to find our ways? Ones we adopt that >>>>>>>>> mentality, then words like social dignity will make very little >>>>>>>>> sense. >>>>>>>>> Second, I would like to draw the attention to the point that Jean >>>>>>>>> made. There is a significant cultural difference in terms of >>>>>>>>> holding >>>>>>>>> someone else's hand. I am sure that visually challenged people in >>>>>>>>> India will a
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with someone or with some object which >>>>> really hurt due particularly to the irresponsibility of some persons >>>>> without visual impairment. the rail station where i usually board my >>>>> train from becomes almost inaccessible in the evenings because of the >>>>> abundance of small shops where things of use are sold. there were >>>>> times when i nearly fell to the railway tracks. >>>>> >>>>> moreover many people don't know how to use a pavement. pavements in >>>>> larger cities here are dangerous to say the least for even a sighted >>>>> person; for a visually challanged person it is almost a nightmare. in >>>>> rural roads, there are no pavement or anything. so escort becomes a >>>>> necessity. but undoubtedly, moving alone is the most satisfying thing >>>>> irrespective of fumbling or no fumbling. but there is no heroism in >>>>> falling down and injuring oneself. >>>>> >>>>> we can enough philosophise regarding independence. but under the >>>>> present circumstance it is an illusive thing for us. hope one day will >>>>> come when this topic itself will become redundant. >>>>> >>>>> with thanks and regards, Anirban Mukherjee. >>>>> cell: 09433305139 >>>>> >>>>> On 9/23/11, BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA wrote: >>>>>> if a word hold is objectionable, the word grip can be replace withit. >>>>>> >>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>> From: "Raj Debbarma" >>>>>> To: >>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 8:58 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> hi sir, >>>>>>> i agree with all your point. >>>>>>> i don't find anything wrong to use cane specially in new surrounding >>>>>>> and also belief nothing wrong to ask direction to find our way. >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> terms of holding hand, what i think there might be cultural >>>>>>> differences reguarding this. but if you are caring cane its >>>>>>> automatically represent your blindness twards the society that point >>>>>>> of time if anyone hold your hand, i don't think anybody should have >>>>>>> any sort of problem. >>>>>>> its raj, have a nice day ahead to all of you. cheers >>>>>>> thank you.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 9/22/11, Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is an interesting subject and here are my views: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> First, It does not matter whether we fumble around to find our ways >>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>> not. What matters is our ability to reach our destination on time >>>>>>>> without hurting our-self. In relation to that, who cares about >>>>>>>> others >>>>>>>> thinking when we fumble around to find our ways? Ones we adopt that >>>>>>>> mentality, then words like social dignity will make very little >>>>>>>> sense. >>>>>>>> Second, I would like to draw the attention to the point that Jean >>>>>>>> made. There is a significant cultural difference in terms of holding >>>>>>>> someone else's hand. I am sure that visually challenged people in >>>>>>>> India will agree with the fact that we don't mind holding hands not >>>>>>>> only in terms of sighted assistance, but also among friends who may >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>> visually challenged. but among the blind people here in the US there >>>>>>>> is a slight difference in terms of holding hands as if holding >>>>>>>> others >>>>>>>> hands is undesirable or something like that. So one has to be aware >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> such cultural differences in this regard. My final point is to do >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> mobility during conference. As Jean pointed out, we should certai
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injuring oneself. >>>> >>>> we can enough philosophise regarding independence. but under the >>>> present circumstance it is an illusive thing for us. hope one day will >>>> come when this topic itself will become redundant. >>>> >>>> with thanks and regards, Anirban Mukherjee. >>>> cell: 09433305139 >>>> >>>> On 9/23/11, BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA wrote: >>>>> if a word hold is objectionable, the word grip can be replace withit. >>>>> >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> From: "Raj Debbarma" >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 8:58 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> hi sir, >>>>>> i agree with all your point. >>>>>> i don't find anything wrong to use cane specially in new surrounding >>>>>> and also belief nothing wrong to ask direction to find our way. in >>>>>> terms of holding hand, what i think there might be cultural >>>>>> differences reguarding this. but if you are caring cane its >>>>>> automatically represent your blindness twards the society that point >>>>>> of time if anyone hold your hand, i don't think anybody should have >>>>>> any sort of problem. >>>>>> its raj, have a nice day ahead to all of you. cheers >>>>>> thank you.. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9/22/11, Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan wrote: >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is an interesting subject and here are my views: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> First, It does not matter whether we fumble around to find our ways >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> not. What matters is our ability to reach our destination on time >>>>>>> without hurting our-self. In relation to that, who cares about others >>>>>>> thinking when we fumble around to find our ways? Ones we adopt that >>>>>>> mentality, then words like social dignity will make very little >>>>>>> sense. >>>>>>> Second, I would like to draw the attention to the point that Jean >>>>>>> made. There is a significant cultural difference in terms of holding >>>>>>> someone else's hand. I am sure that visually challenged people in >>>>>>> India will agree with the fact that we don't mind holding hands not >>>>>>> only in terms of sighted assistance, but also among friends who may >>>>>>> be >>>>>>> visually challenged. but among the blind people here in the US there >>>>>>> is a slight difference in terms of holding hands as if holding others >>>>>>> hands is undesirable or something like that. So one has to be aware >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> such cultural differences in this regard. My final point is to do >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> mobility during conference. As Jean pointed out, we should certainly >>>>>>> make use of the cane since it will be a new surrounding, but at the >>>>>>> same time there is nothing wrong in asking for directions. Just a >>>>>>> passing comment about my attitude towards others assistance: Either >>>>>>> guide me by holding my hands or leave me alone. I am intelegent >>>>>>> enough >>>>>>> to find my ways around. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Vetri. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 22/09/2011, Anirban Mukherjee wrote: >>>>>>>> actually, escort becomes necessity at some times as far as i'm >>>>>>>> concerned. but, i agree, that we must look for self-reliance. but >>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>> i would like to draw every body's attention is that the point that >>>>>>>> Mr >>>>>>>> Rajesh sir made regarding escort in the other thread is absolutely >>>>>>>> valid. it is insulting to say the least. there should be discretion >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> making my own choices for me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 9/22/11, mahendra wrote:
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Friends, First of all, I respect each views, and expect the same from all. Somebody rightly said that this topic is more important then screen readers. What is social dignity? If I am given 2 choices of so called social dignity, and my independence, I would like to choose the second one. Though I am not good enough as far as mobility is concern yet for me personal satisfaction matters most. Of course while you go with white can people will ask ridicules questions, but I think it would happened more or less if you would go with sighted escort. And one can reduce risk factor by developing good mobility. I have seen many visually impaired people who manage very well without sighted escort. Above all, self satisfaction is really important. Though it’s tough to manage without escort but with confidence it is possible. I don’t want to say that we should not use escort, its necessary sometime to have sighted person with you. But we should honestly try to reduce sighted assistance as much as possible. let me thanks rajesh sir for this topic on the list. Thanks… On 9/23/11, Rahul Bajaj wrote: > Hi all, > > First of all, I'm glad to see this thread. > I think that this matters more than all other screen readers, > assistive devices and all such other things. > > Even I fail to comprehend how totally blind people are able to move > on their own. > I have always taken the help of sighted guides for moving around. > Many people also feel that those who require sighted assistance are > more dependent on others than those who use white canes are. > > I personally feel that it's better to take the help of a sighted guide > instead of fumbling around just to prove that you are not dependent on > others. > Of course, there are people who are truly independent and do not > require much sighted assistance, but, like I said earlier, I really > don't know how they actually manage it. > > I feel that people, in general, have a very negative attitude towards > those who use white canes. > I'm not saying that they hate blind people, but there is a drastic > change in their behavior. > They start interfering unnecessarily in order to assist you, or they > start asking ridiculous questions. > All this also happens if you move around with a sighted guide, but I > believe that it happens more if you use a white cane. > Of course, this method also has its flaws, but what other option do we have? > > On 23/09/2011, Mahesh Panicker wrote: >> The over emphasis placed on independent living is the result of the >> disability rights movement, in its social model version, simply >> accepting the liberal-modern notion of the individual as rational, >> free and independent. >> We need to may be think further in lines of human interdependence >> rather than any utopian notion of independent living, its a myth, not >> only for the disabled, but also for the non-disabled. >> When faced with a disadvantageous and dangerous environment, I would >> rather prefer an escort, than getting injured. >> Best, >> >> On 9/23/11, Anirban Mukherjee wrote: >>> i entirely agree with what Himanshu sir has said. i work in a rural >>> area in pashchimbanga and day in and day out have to encounter >>> difficulties like coliding with someone or with some object which >>> really hurt due particularly to the irresponsibility of some persons >>> without visual impairment. the rail station where i usually board my >>> train from becomes almost inaccessible in the evenings because of the >>> abundance of small shops where things of use are sold. there were >>> times when i nearly fell to the railway tracks. >>> >>> moreover many people don't know how to use a pavement. pavements in >>> larger cities here are dangerous to say the least for even a sighted >>> person; for a visually challanged person it is almost a nightmare. in >>> rural roads, there are no pavement or anything. so escort becomes a >>> necessity. but undoubtedly, moving alone is the most satisfying thing >>> irrespective of fumbling or no fumbling. but there is no heroism in >>> falling down and injuring oneself. >>> >>> we can enough philosophise regarding independence. but under the >>> present circumstance it is an illusive thing for us. hope one day will >>> come when this topic itself will become redundant. >>> >>> with thanks and regards, Anirban Mukherjee. >>> cell: 09433305139 >>> >>> On 9/23/11, BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA wrote: >>>> if a word hold is objectionable, the word grip can be replace withit. >>>> >>>> - Original Message - >>&
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Hi all, First of all, I'm glad to see this thread. I think that this matters more than all other screen readers, assistive devices and all such other things. Even I fail to comprehend how totally blind people are able to move on their own. I have always taken the help of sighted guides for moving around. Many people also feel that those who require sighted assistance are more dependent on others than those who use white canes are. I personally feel that it's better to take the help of a sighted guide instead of fumbling around just to prove that you are not dependent on others. Of course, there are people who are truly independent and do not require much sighted assistance, but, like I said earlier, I really don't know how they actually manage it. I feel that people, in general, have a very negative attitude towards those who use white canes. I'm not saying that they hate blind people, but there is a drastic change in their behavior. They start interfering unnecessarily in order to assist you, or they start asking ridiculous questions. All this also happens if you move around with a sighted guide, but I believe that it happens more if you use a white cane. Of course, this method also has its flaws, but what other option do we have? On 23/09/2011, Mahesh Panicker wrote: > The over emphasis placed on independent living is the result of the > disability rights movement, in its social model version, simply > accepting the liberal-modern notion of the individual as rational, > free and independent. > We need to may be think further in lines of human interdependence > rather than any utopian notion of independent living, its a myth, not > only for the disabled, but also for the non-disabled. > When faced with a disadvantageous and dangerous environment, I would > rather prefer an escort, than getting injured. > Best, > > On 9/23/11, Anirban Mukherjee wrote: >> i entirely agree with what Himanshu sir has said. i work in a rural >> area in pashchimbanga and day in and day out have to encounter >> difficulties like coliding with someone or with some object which >> really hurt due particularly to the irresponsibility of some persons >> without visual impairment. the rail station where i usually board my >> train from becomes almost inaccessible in the evenings because of the >> abundance of small shops where things of use are sold. there were >> times when i nearly fell to the railway tracks. >> >> moreover many people don't know how to use a pavement. pavements in >> larger cities here are dangerous to say the least for even a sighted >> person; for a visually challanged person it is almost a nightmare. in >> rural roads, there are no pavement or anything. so escort becomes a >> necessity. but undoubtedly, moving alone is the most satisfying thing >> irrespective of fumbling or no fumbling. but there is no heroism in >> falling down and injuring oneself. >> >> we can enough philosophise regarding independence. but under the >> present circumstance it is an illusive thing for us. hope one day will >> come when this topic itself will become redundant. >> >> with thanks and regards, Anirban Mukherjee. >> cell: 09433305139 >> >> On 9/23/11, BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA wrote: >>> if a word hold is objectionable, the word grip can be replace withit. >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Raj Debbarma" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 8:58 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >>> >>> >>>> hi sir, >>>> i agree with all your point. >>>> i don't find anything wrong to use cane specially in new surrounding >>>> and also belief nothing wrong to ask direction to find our way. in >>>> terms of holding hand, what i think there might be cultural >>>> differences reguarding this. but if you are caring cane its >>>> automatically represent your blindness twards the society that point >>>> of time if anyone hold your hand, i don't think anybody should have >>>> any sort of problem. >>>> its raj, have a nice day ahead to all of you. cheers >>>> thank you.. >>>> >>>> On 9/22/11, Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan wrote: >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> This is an interesting subject and here are my views: >>>>> >>>>> First, It does not matter whether we fumble around to find our ways or >>>>> not. What matters is our ability to reach our destination on time >>>>> without hurting our-self. In relation to that, who cares about o
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The over emphasis placed on independent living is the result of the disability rights movement, in its social model version, simply accepting the liberal-modern notion of the individual as rational, free and independent. We need to may be think further in lines of human interdependence rather than any utopian notion of independent living, its a myth, not only for the disabled, but also for the non-disabled. When faced with a disadvantageous and dangerous environment, I would rather prefer an escort, than getting injured. Best, On 9/23/11, Anirban Mukherjee wrote: > i entirely agree with what Himanshu sir has said. i work in a rural > area in pashchimbanga and day in and day out have to encounter > difficulties like coliding with someone or with some object which > really hurt due particularly to the irresponsibility of some persons > without visual impairment. the rail station where i usually board my > train from becomes almost inaccessible in the evenings because of the > abundance of small shops where things of use are sold. there were > times when i nearly fell to the railway tracks. > > moreover many people don't know how to use a pavement. pavements in > larger cities here are dangerous to say the least for even a sighted > person; for a visually challanged person it is almost a nightmare. in > rural roads, there are no pavement or anything. so escort becomes a > necessity. but undoubtedly, moving alone is the most satisfying thing > irrespective of fumbling or no fumbling. but there is no heroism in > falling down and injuring oneself. > > we can enough philosophise regarding independence. but under the > present circumstance it is an illusive thing for us. hope one day will > come when this topic itself will become redundant. > > with thanks and regards, Anirban Mukherjee. > cell: 09433305139 > > On 9/23/11, BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA wrote: >> if a word hold is objectionable, the word grip can be replace withit. >> >> - Original Message ----- >> From: "Raj Debbarma" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 8:58 AM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >> >> >>> hi sir, >>> i agree with all your point. >>> i don't find anything wrong to use cane specially in new surrounding >>> and also belief nothing wrong to ask direction to find our way. in >>> terms of holding hand, what i think there might be cultural >>> differences reguarding this. but if you are caring cane its >>> automatically represent your blindness twards the society that point >>> of time if anyone hold your hand, i don't think anybody should have >>> any sort of problem. >>> its raj, have a nice day ahead to all of you. cheers >>> thank you.. >>> >>> On 9/22/11, Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> This is an interesting subject and here are my views: >>>> >>>> First, It does not matter whether we fumble around to find our ways or >>>> not. What matters is our ability to reach our destination on time >>>> without hurting our-self. In relation to that, who cares about others >>>> thinking when we fumble around to find our ways? Ones we adopt that >>>> mentality, then words like social dignity will make very little sense. >>>> Second, I would like to draw the attention to the point that Jean >>>> made. There is a significant cultural difference in terms of holding >>>> someone else's hand. I am sure that visually challenged people in >>>> India will agree with the fact that we don't mind holding hands not >>>> only in terms of sighted assistance, but also among friends who may be >>>> visually challenged. but among the blind people here in the US there >>>> is a slight difference in terms of holding hands as if holding others >>>> hands is undesirable or something like that. So one has to be aware of >>>> such cultural differences in this regard. My final point is to do with >>>> mobility during conference. As Jean pointed out, we should certainly >>>> make use of the cane since it will be a new surrounding, but at the >>>> same time there is nothing wrong in asking for directions. Just a >>>> passing comment about my attitude towards others assistance: Either >>>> guide me by holding my hands or leave me alone. I am intelegent enough >>>> to find my ways around. >>>> >>>> Vetri. >>>> >>>> On 22/09/2011, Anirban Mukherjee wrote: >>>>> actually, escort becomes n
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i entirely agree with what Himanshu sir has said. i work in a rural area in pashchimbanga and day in and day out have to encounter difficulties like coliding with someone or with some object which really hurt due particularly to the irresponsibility of some persons without visual impairment. the rail station where i usually board my train from becomes almost inaccessible in the evenings because of the abundance of small shops where things of use are sold. there were times when i nearly fell to the railway tracks. moreover many people don't know how to use a pavement. pavements in larger cities here are dangerous to say the least for even a sighted person; for a visually challanged person it is almost a nightmare. in rural roads, there are no pavement or anything. so escort becomes a necessity. but undoubtedly, moving alone is the most satisfying thing irrespective of fumbling or no fumbling. but there is no heroism in falling down and injuring oneself. we can enough philosophise regarding independence. but under the present circumstance it is an illusive thing for us. hope one day will come when this topic itself will become redundant. with thanks and regards, Anirban Mukherjee. cell: 09433305139 On 9/23/11, BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA wrote: > if a word hold is objectionable, the word grip can be replace withit. > > - Original Message - > From: "Raj Debbarma" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 8:58 AM > Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? > > >> hi sir, >> i agree with all your point. >> i don't find anything wrong to use cane specially in new surrounding >> and also belief nothing wrong to ask direction to find our way. in >> terms of holding hand, what i think there might be cultural >> differences reguarding this. but if you are caring cane its >> automatically represent your blindness twards the society that point >> of time if anyone hold your hand, i don't think anybody should have >> any sort of problem. >> its raj, have a nice day ahead to all of you. cheers >> thank you.. >> >> On 9/22/11, Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> This is an interesting subject and here are my views: >>> >>> First, It does not matter whether we fumble around to find our ways or >>> not. What matters is our ability to reach our destination on time >>> without hurting our-self. In relation to that, who cares about others >>> thinking when we fumble around to find our ways? Ones we adopt that >>> mentality, then words like social dignity will make very little sense. >>> Second, I would like to draw the attention to the point that Jean >>> made. There is a significant cultural difference in terms of holding >>> someone else's hand. I am sure that visually challenged people in >>> India will agree with the fact that we don't mind holding hands not >>> only in terms of sighted assistance, but also among friends who may be >>> visually challenged. but among the blind people here in the US there >>> is a slight difference in terms of holding hands as if holding others >>> hands is undesirable or something like that. So one has to be aware of >>> such cultural differences in this regard. My final point is to do with >>> mobility during conference. As Jean pointed out, we should certainly >>> make use of the cane since it will be a new surrounding, but at the >>> same time there is nothing wrong in asking for directions. Just a >>> passing comment about my attitude towards others assistance: Either >>> guide me by holding my hands or leave me alone. I am intelegent enough >>> to find my ways around. >>> >>> Vetri. >>> >>> On 22/09/2011, Anirban Mukherjee wrote: >>>> actually, escort becomes necessity at some times as far as i'm >>>> concerned. but, i agree, that we must look for self-reliance. but what >>>> i would like to draw every body's attention is that the point that Mr >>>> Rajesh sir made regarding escort in the other thread is absolutely >>>> valid. it is insulting to say the least. there should be discretion of >>>> making my own choices for me. >>>> >>>> On 9/22/11, mahendra wrote: >>>>> Dear Rajesh >>>>> >>>>> i only agree with your thurd point, >>>>> >>>>> to think that escort is there, and we don't need mobility is very much >>>>> wrong. >>>>> sighted people can also put your life in to denjare, we must take >>>>> responsibility >>>&
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if a word hold is objectionable, the word grip can be replace withit. - Original Message - From: "Raj Debbarma" To: Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? hi sir, i agree with all your point. i don't find anything wrong to use cane specially in new surrounding and also belief nothing wrong to ask direction to find our way. in terms of holding hand, what i think there might be cultural differences reguarding this. but if you are caring cane its automatically represent your blindness twards the society that point of time if anyone hold your hand, i don't think anybody should have any sort of problem. its raj, have a nice day ahead to all of you. cheers thank you.. On 9/22/11, Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan wrote: Hi all, This is an interesting subject and here are my views: First, It does not matter whether we fumble around to find our ways or not. What matters is our ability to reach our destination on time without hurting our-self. In relation to that, who cares about others thinking when we fumble around to find our ways? Ones we adopt that mentality, then words like social dignity will make very little sense. Second, I would like to draw the attention to the point that Jean made. There is a significant cultural difference in terms of holding someone else's hand. I am sure that visually challenged people in India will agree with the fact that we don't mind holding hands not only in terms of sighted assistance, but also among friends who may be visually challenged. but among the blind people here in the US there is a slight difference in terms of holding hands as if holding others hands is undesirable or something like that. So one has to be aware of such cultural differences in this regard. My final point is to do with mobility during conference. As Jean pointed out, we should certainly make use of the cane since it will be a new surrounding, but at the same time there is nothing wrong in asking for directions. Just a passing comment about my attitude towards others assistance: Either guide me by holding my hands or leave me alone. I am intelegent enough to find my ways around. Vetri. On 22/09/2011, Anirban Mukherjee wrote: actually, escort becomes necessity at some times as far as i'm concerned. but, i agree, that we must look for self-reliance. but what i would like to draw every body's attention is that the point that Mr Rajesh sir made regarding escort in the other thread is absolutely valid. it is insulting to say the least. there should be discretion of making my own choices for me. On 9/22/11, mahendra wrote: Dear Rajesh i only agree with your thurd point, to think that escort is there, and we don't need mobility is very much wrong. sighted people can also put your life in to denjare, we must take responsibility for our life, and not totaly put responsibility on the shoulders of others. secondly because of dependence on sighted, social dignity is compromised, and not because you have to fumble around, it shows you are trying your best. At 09:21 AM 9/22/2011, you wrote: Dear Srinivasu Rightly said that low vision people don't face as much problems in mobility as totally blind do. It is not impossible to manage without escort, I have done it myself, travelling on Nagpur Roads in student days, and even travelling all alone in trains in UP, bringing my elder sister who is herself blind with her kids from Lucknow to Nagpur, all by myself. My point is, without escort, 1. The mobility is fraught with inherent risks, sometimes of life. 2. More often than not, social dignity is compromised, as you have to fumble around. 3. Your freedom, particularly in new surroundings, is greatly curtailed. As a result, one should opt for an escort, if one is able to afford, and escort is available, except in situations where privacy is of utmost importance. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Srinivasu Chakravarthula Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 1:25 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? Hi All, Honestly, I got this curiosity with recent thread raised by Rajesh. I know, there area lot of members in the group, who widely travel and I see them traveling all alone. I even see people like Jean, who never ask for help at the venues. I am curious how would people with total blindness can manage to be alone at conferences etc.Also, any of you come across tips to network with the people in the events.I don't consider myself to answer any of the above, although I travel a lot, but I could fairly see. So I don't think, this would be of any problem to people with low vision. Any tips would also help me to share with our students at NAB. Thanks a lot, -Srinivasu -- Best regards, Srinivasu Chakravarthula Mobil
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Dear Mr. Rajesh, I agree with you completely that fumbling around will not be taken as trying at one's best. I have seen many people laughing at a fumbling blind person. Many people here asked me that why don't you people get some sighted people with you. Moreover, when you are ready to ask some unknown person's help in between, why do you think having escort is not preferable? There is a limit to everything, so as your independence. Your independence should not put an end to your life no? Therefore as Mr. Rajesh said, it is better to have an escort at least in a new surroundings when you can afford one; Untill you have a good device which caters the need of sight to a large extent. I don't think that any senses are now able to substitute the sight unless you try something different like echolocation. I don't know the efficiency of echolocation in extremely noisy places. If any one is expert in echolocation, please do contact me off the list. Thanks in advance. On 9/23/11, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: > Yes, Mahendra, sighted person may also err and may imperil life. > However, there is no gainsaying the fact that data obtained from sight is > dynamic and much more abundant than by other senses, and while moving, it > matters a lot. > Of course, mobility skills must be developed, I never denied it, but there > are certain limits to the independent mobility of totally, and I say, > totally blind. > Besides, if the escort is available, and affordable, there being no privacy > concerns, who would unnecessarily like to venture unescorted and hazard > one's life limb safety, given the fact one has filial responsibilities to > tackle. > > As per social dignity, it is a matter of interpretation, and this world > which operates at the most surfacical level, it is vain to expect that > fumbling around will be taken as trying at one's best. > > > > -Original Message- > From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in > [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Anirban > Mukherjee > Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 7:09 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? > > actually, escort becomes necessity at some times as far as i'm > concerned. but, i agree, that we must look for self-reliance. but what > i would like to draw every body's attention is that the point that Mr > Rajesh sir made regarding escort in the other thread is absolutely > valid. it is insulting to say the least. there should be discretion of > making my own choices for me. > > On 9/22/11, mahendra wrote: >> Dear Rajesh >> >> i only agree with your thurd point, >> >> to think that escort is there, and we don't need mobility is very much >> wrong. >> sighted people can also put your life in to denjare, we must take >> responsibility >> for our life, and not totaly put responsibility on the shoulders of >> others. >> >> secondly because of dependence on sighted, social dignity is compromised, >> and not because you have to fumble around, it shows you are trying your >> best. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> At 09:21 AM 9/22/2011, you wrote: >>>Dear Srinivasu >>>Rightly said that low vision people don't face as much problems in >>>mobility as totally blind do. >>>It is not impossible to manage without escort, I have done it >>>myself, travelling on Nagpur Roads in student days, and even >>>travelling all alone in trains in UP, bringing my elder sister who >>>is herself blind with her kids from Lucknow to Nagpur, all by myself. >>>My point is, without escort, >>>1. The mobility is fraught with inherent risks, sometimes of life. >>>2. More often than not, social dignity is compromised, as you have >>>to fumble around. >>>3. Your freedom, particularly in new surroundings, is greatly curtailed. >>> >>>As a result, one should opt for an escort, if one is able to afford, >>>and escort is available, except in situations where privacy is of >>>utmost importance. >>> >>> >>>-Original Message- >>>From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>>[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of >>>Srinivasu Chakravarthula >>>Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 1:25 PM >>>To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>>Subject: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >>> >>>Hi All, >>>Honestly, I got this curiosity with recent thread raised by Rajesh. >>> >>>I know, there area lot of members in the group, wh
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Hello, In view of the points raised by Mr. Rajesh, I believe that denial of point 1, “1. The mobility is fraught with inherent risks, sometimes of life.” is almost like denying the existence of blindness and the inherent problems related with it. Confidence and efforts for independent mobility are always appreciable but overconfidence and pomp of efforts are dangerous and undoubtedly in the case of Indian environment i.e., roads, unaware people and pathetic traffic control system. I can give a demonstration to the best mobile person of blind community here in the Kolkata’s one of the best places “Dalhousie”. Where sighted people collide with each other while walking on roadside or on pavements. One can imagine the condition of blind person roaming here with cane… "2. More often than not, social dignity is compromised, as you have to fumble around." In regard to this second point, I am of the opinion that while it is necessary to maintain self-dignity in the cases of fumbling, the million Rupees question is that why should I put myself in the vulnerability zone if I have availability of sighted assistance? And, according to me, there is no harm to my dignity holding the hand of escort. In the eight years of my blindness, several times I am scarcely saved on roads due to the sighted assistance from rash driving of bikers, buses, rickshaws, cyclors and load carriers’ indifferent movement. And this can be termed as another viewpoint that already I am having one physical disability and don’t have any wish to acquire another one… On 9/22/11, Srinivasu Chakravarthula wrote: > Hi All, > Honestly, I got this curiosity with recent thread raised by Rajesh. > > I know, there area lot of members in the group, who widely travel and I see > them traveling all alone. I even see people like Jean, who never ask for > help at the venues. I am curious how would people with total blindness can > manage to be alone at conferences etc.Also, any of you come across tips to > network with the people in the events.I don't consider myself to answer any > of the above, although I travel a lot, but I could fairly see. So I don't > think, this would be of any problem to people with low vision. > > Any tips would also help me to share with our students at NAB. > > Thanks a lot, > -Srinivasu > > -- > Best regards, > > Srinivasu Chakravarthula > Mobile: +91 990 081 0881 > Website: http://www.srinivasu.org | http://www.learnaccessibility.org > Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/VasuTweets > Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: > http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > -- Thanks and regards Himanshu Sahu Reach: 09051055000 Skype: himanshu.cute4u Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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Yes, Mahendra, sighted person may also err and may imperil life. However, there is no gainsaying the fact that data obtained from sight is dynamic and much more abundant than by other senses, and while moving, it matters a lot. Of course, mobility skills must be developed, I never denied it, but there are certain limits to the independent mobility of totally, and I say, totally blind. Besides, if the escort is available, and affordable, there being no privacy concerns, who would unnecessarily like to venture unescorted and hazard one's life limb safety, given the fact one has filial responsibilities to tackle. As per social dignity, it is a matter of interpretation, and this world which operates at the most surfacical level, it is vain to expect that fumbling around will be taken as trying at one's best. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Anirban Mukherjee Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 7:09 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? actually, escort becomes necessity at some times as far as i'm concerned. but, i agree, that we must look for self-reliance. but what i would like to draw every body's attention is that the point that Mr Rajesh sir made regarding escort in the other thread is absolutely valid. it is insulting to say the least. there should be discretion of making my own choices for me. On 9/22/11, mahendra wrote: > Dear Rajesh > > i only agree with your thurd point, > > to think that escort is there, and we don't need mobility is very much > wrong. > sighted people can also put your life in to denjare, we must take > responsibility > for our life, and not totaly put responsibility on the shoulders of others. > > secondly because of dependence on sighted, social dignity is compromised, > and not because you have to fumble around, it shows you are trying your > best. > > > > > > > > > > > At 09:21 AM 9/22/2011, you wrote: >>Dear Srinivasu >>Rightly said that low vision people don't face as much problems in >>mobility as totally blind do. >>It is not impossible to manage without escort, I have done it >>myself, travelling on Nagpur Roads in student days, and even >>travelling all alone in trains in UP, bringing my elder sister who >>is herself blind with her kids from Lucknow to Nagpur, all by myself. >>My point is, without escort, >>1. The mobility is fraught with inherent risks, sometimes of life. >>2. More often than not, social dignity is compromised, as you have >>to fumble around. >>3. Your freedom, particularly in new surroundings, is greatly curtailed. >> >>As a result, one should opt for an escort, if one is able to afford, >>and escort is available, except in situations where privacy is of >>utmost importance. >> >> >>-Original Message- >>From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of >>Srinivasu Chakravarthula >>Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 1:25 PM >>To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>Subject: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >> >>Hi All, >>Honestly, I got this curiosity with recent thread raised by Rajesh. >> >>I know, there area lot of members in the group, who widely travel and I see >>them traveling all alone. I even see people like Jean, who never ask for >>help at the venues. I am curious how would people with total blindness can >>manage to be alone at conferences etc.Also, any of you come across tips to >>network with the people in the events.I don't consider myself to answer any >>of the above, although I travel a lot, but I could fairly see. So I don't >>think, this would be of any problem to people with low vision. >> >>Any tips would also help me to share with our students at NAB. >> >>Thanks a lot, >>-Srinivasu >> >>-- >>Best regards, >> >>Srinivasu Chakravarthula >>Mobile: +91 990 081 0881 >>Website: http://www.srinivasu.org | http://www.learnaccessibility.org >>Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/VasuTweets >>Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: >>http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm >> >>Search for old postings at: >>http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> >>To unsubscribe send a message to >>accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>with the subject unsubscribe. >> >>To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other >>changes, please visit the list home page at >>http://ac
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hi sir, i agree with all your point. i don't find anything wrong to use cane specially in new surrounding and also belief nothing wrong to ask direction to find our way. in terms of holding hand, what i think there might be cultural differences reguarding this. but if you are caring cane its automatically represent your blindness twards the society that point of time if anyone hold your hand, i don't think anybody should have any sort of problem. its raj, have a nice day ahead to all of you. cheers thank you.. On 9/22/11, Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan wrote: > Hi all, > > This is an interesting subject and here are my views: > > First, It does not matter whether we fumble around to find our ways or > not. What matters is our ability to reach our destination on time > without hurting our-self. In relation to that, who cares about others > thinking when we fumble around to find our ways? Ones we adopt that > mentality, then words like social dignity will make very little sense. > Second, I would like to draw the attention to the point that Jean > made. There is a significant cultural difference in terms of holding > someone else's hand. I am sure that visually challenged people in > India will agree with the fact that we don't mind holding hands not > only in terms of sighted assistance, but also among friends who may be > visually challenged. but among the blind people here in the US there > is a slight difference in terms of holding hands as if holding others > hands is undesirable or something like that. So one has to be aware of > such cultural differences in this regard. My final point is to do with > mobility during conference. As Jean pointed out, we should certainly > make use of the cane since it will be a new surrounding, but at the > same time there is nothing wrong in asking for directions. Just a > passing comment about my attitude towards others assistance: Either > guide me by holding my hands or leave me alone. I am intelegent enough > to find my ways around. > > Vetri. > > On 22/09/2011, Anirban Mukherjee wrote: >> actually, escort becomes necessity at some times as far as i'm >> concerned. but, i agree, that we must look for self-reliance. but what >> i would like to draw every body's attention is that the point that Mr >> Rajesh sir made regarding escort in the other thread is absolutely >> valid. it is insulting to say the least. there should be discretion of >> making my own choices for me. >> >> On 9/22/11, mahendra wrote: >>> Dear Rajesh >>> >>> i only agree with your thurd point, >>> >>> to think that escort is there, and we don't need mobility is very much >>> wrong. >>> sighted people can also put your life in to denjare, we must take >>> responsibility >>> for our life, and not totaly put responsibility on the shoulders of >>> others. >>> >>> secondly because of dependence on sighted, social dignity is >>> compromised, >>> and not because you have to fumble around, it shows you are trying your >>> best. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> At 09:21 AM 9/22/2011, you wrote: Dear Srinivasu Rightly said that low vision people don't face as much problems in mobility as totally blind do. It is not impossible to manage without escort, I have done it myself, travelling on Nagpur Roads in student days, and even travelling all alone in trains in UP, bringing my elder sister who is herself blind with her kids from Lucknow to Nagpur, all by myself. My point is, without escort, 1. The mobility is fraught with inherent risks, sometimes of life. 2. More often than not, social dignity is compromised, as you have to fumble around. 3. Your freedom, particularly in new surroundings, is greatly curtailed. As a result, one should opt for an escort, if one is able to afford, and escort is available, except in situations where privacy is of utmost importance. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Srinivasu Chakravarthula Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 1:25 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? Hi All, Honestly, I got this curiosity with recent thread raised by Rajesh. I know, there area lot of members in the group, who widely travel and I see them traveling all alone. I even see people like Jean, who never ask for help at the venues. I am curious how would people with total blindness can manage to be alone at conferences etc.Also, any of you come across tips to network with the people in the events.I don't consider myself to answer any of the above, although I travel a lot, but I could fairly see. So I don't think, this would be of any problem to people with low vision. Any tips would also help me to share with our students at NAB. Thanks a lot, -Srini
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Hi all, This is an interesting subject and here are my views: First, It does not matter whether we fumble around to find our ways or not. What matters is our ability to reach our destination on time without hurting our-self. In relation to that, who cares about others thinking when we fumble around to find our ways? Ones we adopt that mentality, then words like social dignity will make very little sense. Second, I would like to draw the attention to the point that Jean made. There is a significant cultural difference in terms of holding someone else's hand. I am sure that visually challenged people in India will agree with the fact that we don't mind holding hands not only in terms of sighted assistance, but also among friends who may be visually challenged. but among the blind people here in the US there is a slight difference in terms of holding hands as if holding others hands is undesirable or something like that. So one has to be aware of such cultural differences in this regard. My final point is to do with mobility during conference. As Jean pointed out, we should certainly make use of the cane since it will be a new surrounding, but at the same time there is nothing wrong in asking for directions. Just a passing comment about my attitude towards others assistance: Either guide me by holding my hands or leave me alone. I am intelegent enough to find my ways around. Vetri. On 22/09/2011, Anirban Mukherjee wrote: > actually, escort becomes necessity at some times as far as i'm > concerned. but, i agree, that we must look for self-reliance. but what > i would like to draw every body's attention is that the point that Mr > Rajesh sir made regarding escort in the other thread is absolutely > valid. it is insulting to say the least. there should be discretion of > making my own choices for me. > > On 9/22/11, mahendra wrote: >> Dear Rajesh >> >> i only agree with your thurd point, >> >> to think that escort is there, and we don't need mobility is very much >> wrong. >> sighted people can also put your life in to denjare, we must take >> responsibility >> for our life, and not totaly put responsibility on the shoulders of >> others. >> >> secondly because of dependence on sighted, social dignity is compromised, >> and not because you have to fumble around, it shows you are trying your >> best. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> At 09:21 AM 9/22/2011, you wrote: >>>Dear Srinivasu >>>Rightly said that low vision people don't face as much problems in >>>mobility as totally blind do. >>>It is not impossible to manage without escort, I have done it >>>myself, travelling on Nagpur Roads in student days, and even >>>travelling all alone in trains in UP, bringing my elder sister who >>>is herself blind with her kids from Lucknow to Nagpur, all by myself. >>>My point is, without escort, >>>1. The mobility is fraught with inherent risks, sometimes of life. >>>2. More often than not, social dignity is compromised, as you have >>>to fumble around. >>>3. Your freedom, particularly in new surroundings, is greatly curtailed. >>> >>>As a result, one should opt for an escort, if one is able to afford, >>>and escort is available, except in situations where privacy is of >>>utmost importance. >>> >>> >>>-Original Message- >>>From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>>[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of >>>Srinivasu Chakravarthula >>>Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 1:25 PM >>>To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>>Subject: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >>> >>>Hi All, >>>Honestly, I got this curiosity with recent thread raised by Rajesh. >>> >>>I know, there area lot of members in the group, who widely travel and I >>> see >>>them traveling all alone. I even see people like Jean, who never ask for >>>help at the venues. I am curious how would people with total blindness can >>>manage to be alone at conferences etc.Also, any of you come across tips to >>>network with the people in the events.I don't consider myself to answer >>> any >>>of the above, although I travel a lot, but I could fairly see. So I don't >>>think, this would be of any problem to people with low vision. >>> >>>Any tips would also help me to share with our students at NAB. >>> >>>Thanks a lot, >>>-Srinivasu >>> >>>-- >>>Best regards, >>> >>>Srinivasu Chakravarthula >>>Mobile: +91 990 081 0881 >>>Website: http://www.srinivasu.org | http://www.learnaccessibility.org >>>Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/VasuTweets >>>Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: >>>http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm >>> >>>Search for old postings at: >>>http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >>> >>>To unsubscribe send a message to >>>accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>>with the subject unsubscribe. >>> >>>To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other >>>changes, please visit the list home page at >>>http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/acces
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actually, escort becomes necessity at some times as far as i'm concerned. but, i agree, that we must look for self-reliance. but what i would like to draw every body's attention is that the point that Mr Rajesh sir made regarding escort in the other thread is absolutely valid. it is insulting to say the least. there should be discretion of making my own choices for me. On 9/22/11, mahendra wrote: > Dear Rajesh > > i only agree with your thurd point, > > to think that escort is there, and we don't need mobility is very much > wrong. > sighted people can also put your life in to denjare, we must take > responsibility > for our life, and not totaly put responsibility on the shoulders of others. > > secondly because of dependence on sighted, social dignity is compromised, > and not because you have to fumble around, it shows you are trying your > best. > > > > > > > > > > > At 09:21 AM 9/22/2011, you wrote: >>Dear Srinivasu >>Rightly said that low vision people don't face as much problems in >>mobility as totally blind do. >>It is not impossible to manage without escort, I have done it >>myself, travelling on Nagpur Roads in student days, and even >>travelling all alone in trains in UP, bringing my elder sister who >>is herself blind with her kids from Lucknow to Nagpur, all by myself. >>My point is, without escort, >>1. The mobility is fraught with inherent risks, sometimes of life. >>2. More often than not, social dignity is compromised, as you have >>to fumble around. >>3. Your freedom, particularly in new surroundings, is greatly curtailed. >> >>As a result, one should opt for an escort, if one is able to afford, >>and escort is available, except in situations where privacy is of >>utmost importance. >> >> >>-Original Message- >>From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of >>Srinivasu Chakravarthula >>Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 1:25 PM >>To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>Subject: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >> >>Hi All, >>Honestly, I got this curiosity with recent thread raised by Rajesh. >> >>I know, there area lot of members in the group, who widely travel and I see >>them traveling all alone. I even see people like Jean, who never ask for >>help at the venues. I am curious how would people with total blindness can >>manage to be alone at conferences etc.Also, any of you come across tips to >>network with the people in the events.I don't consider myself to answer any >>of the above, although I travel a lot, but I could fairly see. So I don't >>think, this would be of any problem to people with low vision. >> >>Any tips would also help me to share with our students at NAB. >> >>Thanks a lot, >>-Srinivasu >> >>-- >>Best regards, >> >>Srinivasu Chakravarthula >>Mobile: +91 990 081 0881 >>Website: http://www.srinivasu.org | http://www.learnaccessibility.org >>Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/VasuTweets >>Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: >>http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm >> >>Search for old postings at: >>http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> >>To unsubscribe send a message to >>accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>with the subject unsubscribe. >> >>To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other >>changes, please visit the list home page at >>http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >>Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are >>confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or >>entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended >>recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or >>copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or >>attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this >>email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and >>immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. >>The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the >>presence of viruses. The Reserve Bank of India accepts no liability >>for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. >> >>Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: >>http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm >> >>Search for old postings at: >>http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> >>To unsubscribe send a message to >>accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>with the subject unsubscribe. >> >>To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other >>changes, please visit the list home page at >>http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > with warm regards > Mahendra Galani > window's live ID mahendragal...@hotmail.com skype ID chintu3886 > phone +4314943149 mobile +4369910366055, > address Herbst strasse 101.16.1 Vienna Austria Europe > > ---
Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?
Dear Rajesh i only agree with your thurd point, to think that escort is there, and we don't need mobility is very much wrong. sighted people can also put your life in to denjare, we must take responsibility for our life, and not totaly put responsibility on the shoulders of others. secondly because of dependence on sighted, social dignity is compromised, and not because you have to fumble around, it shows you are trying your best. At 09:21 AM 9/22/2011, you wrote: Dear Srinivasu Rightly said that low vision people don't face as much problems in mobility as totally blind do. It is not impossible to manage without escort, I have done it myself, travelling on Nagpur Roads in student days, and even travelling all alone in trains in UP, bringing my elder sister who is herself blind with her kids from Lucknow to Nagpur, all by myself. My point is, without escort, 1. The mobility is fraught with inherent risks, sometimes of life. 2. More often than not, social dignity is compromised, as you have to fumble around. 3. Your freedom, particularly in new surroundings, is greatly curtailed. As a result, one should opt for an escort, if one is able to afford, and escort is available, except in situations where privacy is of utmost importance. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Srinivasu Chakravarthula Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 1:25 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? Hi All, Honestly, I got this curiosity with recent thread raised by Rajesh. I know, there area lot of members in the group, who widely travel and I see them traveling all alone. I even see people like Jean, who never ask for help at the venues. I am curious how would people with total blindness can manage to be alone at conferences etc.Also, any of you come across tips to network with the people in the events.I don't consider myself to answer any of the above, although I travel a lot, but I could fairly see. So I don't think, this would be of any problem to people with low vision. Any tips would also help me to share with our students at NAB. Thanks a lot, -Srinivasu -- Best regards, Srinivasu Chakravarthula Mobile: +91 990 081 0881 Website: http://www.srinivasu.org | http://www.learnaccessibility.org Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/VasuTweets Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Reserve Bank of India accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in with warm regards Mahendra Galani window's live ID mahendragal...@hotmail.com skype ID chintu3886 phone +4314943149 mobile +4369910366055, address Herbst strasse 101.16.1 Vienna Austria Europe - Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?
Hi Amar: In your case, how about using GPS systems with accessable software as probable solution? however, I have not been able to lay my hand on any of those devises so far, hence, don't know, as to how practicle that will be. I think, mobility options, without to much of dependence on others are available these days. Thanks to the technology. I agree, they are expensive, but we shall have to pay that in order that we buy our independence. As far as your question on people giving wrong information on station, I think, over the period of time, you would know, how much time does the train take to reach your destination normally. Please take out your white cane before getting down the train, especially when you are not sure whether the station has arived or not and that of the side of the platform. Let's get some more opinions from others as well. Thanks and warm regards, Rahul. On 9/22/11, Amar Jain wrote: > Well, to tell about my own story, as most of you know that I don't know > mobility, but as days are passing, I have been advocating at home for my own > independence. > Because even I want to move without anyone wherever I want, and now since I > am grown up, even I want to do all things for my parents like getting > something from shops etc. like all other kids do, etc. After lengthy hot > discussions, I was allowed to travel in local train twice. But one of the > major problem which I faced, that sometimes if you ask someone, then they > misguide you. Now suppose according to me, the next station is Andheri. But > what if train stops in the middle, most of the times you can make out from > noise, but it becomes difficult on small stations. Or else, what if you are > sleeping? then people tell you sometimes wrong stations if you ask them. I > don't know the solution of this problem. > -Original Message- > From: Asudani, Rajesh > Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 1:51 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? > > Dear Srinivasu > Rightly said that low vision people don't face as much problems in mobility > as totally blind do. > It is not impossible to manage without escort, I have done it myself, > travelling on Nagpur Roads in student days, and even travelling all alone in > trains in UP, bringing my elder sister who is herself blind with her kids > from Lucknow to Nagpur, all by myself. > My point is, without escort, > 1. The mobility is fraught with inherent risks, sometimes of life. > 2. More often than not, social dignity is compromised, as you have to fumble > around. > 3. Your freedom, particularly in new surroundings, is greatly curtailed. > > As a result, one should opt for an escort, if one is able to afford, and > escort is available, except in situations where privacy is of utmost > importance. > > > -Original Message- > From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in > [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Srinivasu > Chakravarthula > Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 1:25 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? > > Hi All, > Honestly, I got this curiosity with recent thread raised by Rajesh. > > I know, there area lot of members in the group, who widely travel and I see > them traveling all alone. I even see people like Jean, who never ask for > help at the venues. I am curious how would people with total blindness can > manage to be alone at conferences etc.Also, any of you come across tips to > network with the people in the events.I don't consider myself to answer any > of the above, although I travel a lot, but I could fairly see. So I don't > think, this would be of any problem to people with low vision. > > Any tips would also help me to share with our students at NAB. > > Thanks a lot, > -Srinivasu > > -- > Best regards, > > Srinivasu Chakravarthula > Mobile: +91 990 081 0881 > Website: http://www.srinivasu.org | http://www.learnaccessibility.org > Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/VasuTweets > Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: > http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they ar
Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?
Well, to tell about my own story, as most of you know that I don't know mobility, but as days are passing, I have been advocating at home for my own independence. Because even I want to move without anyone wherever I want, and now since I am grown up, even I want to do all things for my parents like getting something from shops etc. like all other kids do, etc. After lengthy hot discussions, I was allowed to travel in local train twice. But one of the major problem which I faced, that sometimes if you ask someone, then they misguide you. Now suppose according to me, the next station is Andheri. But what if train stops in the middle, most of the times you can make out from noise, but it becomes difficult on small stations. Or else, what if you are sleeping? then people tell you sometimes wrong stations if you ask them. I don't know the solution of this problem. -Original Message- From: Asudani, Rajesh Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 1:51 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? Dear Srinivasu Rightly said that low vision people don't face as much problems in mobility as totally blind do. It is not impossible to manage without escort, I have done it myself, travelling on Nagpur Roads in student days, and even travelling all alone in trains in UP, bringing my elder sister who is herself blind with her kids from Lucknow to Nagpur, all by myself. My point is, without escort, 1. The mobility is fraught with inherent risks, sometimes of life. 2. More often than not, social dignity is compromised, as you have to fumble around. 3. Your freedom, particularly in new surroundings, is greatly curtailed. As a result, one should opt for an escort, if one is able to afford, and escort is available, except in situations where privacy is of utmost importance. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Srinivasu Chakravarthula Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 1:25 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? Hi All, Honestly, I got this curiosity with recent thread raised by Rajesh. I know, there area lot of members in the group, who widely travel and I see them traveling all alone. I even see people like Jean, who never ask for help at the venues. I am curious how would people with total blindness can manage to be alone at conferences etc.Also, any of you come across tips to network with the people in the events.I don't consider myself to answer any of the above, although I travel a lot, but I could fairly see. So I don't think, this would be of any problem to people with low vision. Any tips would also help me to share with our students at NAB. Thanks a lot, -Srinivasu -- Best regards, Srinivasu Chakravarthula Mobile: +91 990 081 0881 Website: http://www.srinivasu.org | http://www.learnaccessibility.org Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/VasuTweets Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Reserve Bank of India accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a me
Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?
Hi Rajesh, I do understand your concern and have no disagreement. But my objective of this thread is to collect tips and tricks about how visually impaired can travel alone. I have started a blog post on my site at http://srinivasu.org/blog/2011/09/travel-tips-for-people-with-vision-impairment/ Feel free to comment. Thanks, -Srinivasu On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: > Dear Srinivasu > Rightly said that low vision people don't face as much problems in mobility > as totally blind do. > It is not impossible to manage without escort, I have done it myself, > travelling on Nagpur Roads in student days, and even travelling all alone in > trains in UP, bringing my elder sister who is herself blind with her kids > from Lucknow to Nagpur, all by myself. > My point is, without escort, > 1. The mobility is fraught with inherent risks, sometimes of life. > 2. More often than not, social dignity is compromised, as you have to > fumble around. > 3. Your freedom, particularly in new surroundings, is greatly curtailed. > > As a result, one should opt for an escort, if one is able to afford, and > escort is available, except in situations where privacy is of utmost > importance. > > > -Original Message- > From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto: > accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Srinivasu > Chakravarthula > Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 1:25 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? > > Hi All, > Honestly, I got this curiosity with recent thread raised by Rajesh. > > I know, there area lot of members in the group, who widely travel and I see > them traveling all alone. I even see people like Jean, who never ask for > help at the venues. I am curious how would people with total blindness can > manage to be alone at conferences etc.Also, any of you come across tips to > network with the people in the events.I don't consider myself to answer any > of the above, although I travel a lot, but I could fairly see. So I don't > think, this would be of any problem to people with low vision. > > Any tips would also help me to share with our students at NAB. > > Thanks a lot, > -Srinivasu > > -- > Best regards, > > Srinivasu Chakravarthula > Mobile: +91 990 081 0881 > Website: http://www.srinivasu.org | http://www.learnaccessibility.org > Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/VasuTweets > Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: > http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are > addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, > review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in > this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you > have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or > telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any > attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for > the presence of viruses. The Reserve Bank of India accepts no liability for > any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. > > Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: > http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > -- Best regards, Srinivasu Chakravarthula Mobile: +91 990 081 0881 Website: http://www.srinivasu.org | http://www.learnaccessibility.org Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/VasuTweets Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?
Dear Srinivasu Rightly said that low vision people don't face as much problems in mobility as totally blind do. It is not impossible to manage without escort, I have done it myself, travelling on Nagpur Roads in student days, and even travelling all alone in trains in UP, bringing my elder sister who is herself blind with her kids from Lucknow to Nagpur, all by myself. My point is, without escort, 1. The mobility is fraught with inherent risks, sometimes of life. 2. More often than not, social dignity is compromised, as you have to fumble around. 3. Your freedom, particularly in new surroundings, is greatly curtailed. As a result, one should opt for an escort, if one is able to afford, and escort is available, except in situations where privacy is of utmost importance. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Srinivasu Chakravarthula Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 1:25 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? Hi All, Honestly, I got this curiosity with recent thread raised by Rajesh. I know, there area lot of members in the group, who widely travel and I see them traveling all alone. I even see people like Jean, who never ask for help at the venues. I am curious how would people with total blindness can manage to be alone at conferences etc.Also, any of you come across tips to network with the people in the events.I don't consider myself to answer any of the above, although I travel a lot, but I could fairly see. So I don't think, this would be of any problem to people with low vision. Any tips would also help me to share with our students at NAB. Thanks a lot, -Srinivasu -- Best regards, Srinivasu Chakravarthula Mobile: +91 990 081 0881 Website: http://www.srinivasu.org | http://www.learnaccessibility.org Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/VasuTweets Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Reserve Bank of India accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November 12-13) at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
