subject:"\[AFMUG\] OT still a bit of hope and optimism"

So then once a social media platform is integrated into our society our
government should step in with heavy handed regulation and decide for the
company what is right and what is wrong?  Would that not then be
suppressing that company’s  freedom of speech too?

What if that company wasn’t an American company, what if it was a Chinese
or Russian company?  What if the company was American but the regulating
government was foreign?

I ask because we now have platforms like tiktok which is Chinese operating
here in America.  Do they have protected speech?  Do I have protected
speech on their platform?  Does someone in India get protected speech on
the platform if the viewer is in America?

Sean


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:00 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> No, that statement actually says the word without need to infer. Integrates
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 8:24 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> You stated:
>> “as long as your house doesnt integrate into multiple facets of society,
>> including government thats 100% true”
>>
>> That Statement infers a large house.
>>
>> Where’s the line in the sand?
>>
>> If my social media platform integrates into some facets of society, but
>> not all, including some government, but not all, is that ok?
>>
>> Just curious
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 7:15 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> who said anything about the size of the house
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:13 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why should the size of the house matter?  It’s my house, I built it
>>>> with my money.  You are free to build your own house or hang out at someone
>>>> else’s house.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In fact here on good ole animal farm we have lent and we can’t just say
>>>> whatever we want...this is chuck’s house and we all abide by his rules.
>>>>
>>>> Sean
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 6:40 PM Steve Jones 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> as long as your house doesnt integrate into multiple facets of
>>>>> society, including government thats 100% true
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 6:56 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You can always use gab.com the twitter alternative that champions
>>>>>> free speech on their platform.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Honestly if I build a house and invite you to come over for free to
>>>>>> hang out and you start saying things I don’t like while inside my house I
>>>>>> should be and I am entitled to kick you out of my house or make you shut 
>>>>>> up
>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> now replace house with “social media platform”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Sean
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:15 AM Steve Jones <
>>>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yep, and your message can be removed in an instant if it does not
>>>>>>> comply with the narrative
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:06 AM  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not really.  Today you can get your message out to the world with a
>>>>>>>> tweet.
>>>>>>>> How would you have been able to do that 100 years ago?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From:* Steven Kenney
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:54 AM
>>>>>>>> *To:* af
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I sense overwhelming sarcasm.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Steven Kenney
>>>>>>>> Network Operations Manager
>>>>>>>> WaveDirect Telecommunications
>>>>>>>> http://www.wavedirect.net
>>>>>>>> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> *From: *"chuck" 
>>>>>>>> *To: *"af" 
>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:14:10 AM
>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT still a b

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

No, that statement actually says the word without need to infer. Integrates

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 8:24 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> You stated:
> “as long as your house doesnt integrate into multiple facets of society,
> including government thats 100% true”
>
> That Statement infers a large house.
>
> Where’s the line in the sand?
>
> If my social media platform integrates into some facets of society, but
> not all, including some government, but not all, is that ok?
>
> Just curious
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 7:15 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> who said anything about the size of the house
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:13 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> Why should the size of the house matter?  It’s my house, I built it with
>>> my money.  You are free to build your own house or hang out at someone
>>> else’s house.
>>>
>>>
>>> In fact here on good ole animal farm we have lent and we can’t just say
>>> whatever we want...this is chuck’s house and we all abide by his rules.
>>>
>>> Sean
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 6:40 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> as long as your house doesnt integrate into multiple facets of society,
>>>> including government thats 100% true
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 6:56 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You can always use gab.com the twitter alternative that champions
>>>>> free speech on their platform.
>>>>>
>>>>> Honestly if I build a house and invite you to come over for free to
>>>>> hang out and you start saying things I don’t like while inside my house I
>>>>> should be and I am entitled to kick you out of my house or make you shut 
>>>>> up
>>>>> etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> now replace house with “social media platform”
>>>>>
>>>>> -Sean
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:15 AM Steve Jones <
>>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> yep, and your message can be removed in an instant if it does not
>>>>>> comply with the narrative
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:06 AM  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not really.  Today you can get your message out to the world with a
>>>>>>> tweet.
>>>>>>> How would you have been able to do that 100 years ago?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Steven Kenney
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:54 AM
>>>>>>> *To:* af
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I sense overwhelming sarcasm.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Steven Kenney
>>>>>>> Network Operations Manager
>>>>>>> WaveDirect Telecommunications
>>>>>>> http://www.wavedirect.net
>>>>>>> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> *From: *"chuck" 
>>>>>>> *To: *"af" 
>>>>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:14:10 AM
>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 100 years ago it was newspapers and they only printed what they
>>>>>>> wanted you to hear.  Things are much better now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Jason McKemie <
>>>>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's a problem when the main conduits for communication are all
>>>>>>> private corporations though, especially in situations like this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of
>>>>>>>> free speech protects the government from stifling speech...private 
>>>>>>>> citizens
>>>>>>>> and corporations are

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

You stated:
“as long as your house doesnt integrate into multiple facets of society,
including government thats 100% true”

That Statement infers a large house.

Where’s the line in the sand?

If my social media platform integrates into some facets of society, but not
all, including some government, but not all, is that ok?

Just curious

-Sean


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 7:15 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> who said anything about the size of the house
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:13 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Why should the size of the house matter?  It’s my house, I built it with
>> my money.  You are free to build your own house or hang out at someone
>> else’s house.
>>
>>
>> In fact here on good ole animal farm we have lent and we can’t just say
>> whatever we want...this is chuck’s house and we all abide by his rules.
>>
>> Sean
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 6:40 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> as long as your house doesnt integrate into multiple facets of society,
>>> including government thats 100% true
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 6:56 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
>>>> You can always use gab.com the twitter alternative that champions free
>>>> speech on their platform.
>>>>
>>>> Honestly if I build a house and invite you to come over for free to
>>>> hang out and you start saying things I don’t like while inside my house I
>>>> should be and I am entitled to kick you out of my house or make you shut up
>>>> etc.
>>>>
>>>> now replace house with “social media platform”
>>>>
>>>> -Sean
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:15 AM Steve Jones 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> yep, and your message can be removed in an instant if it does not
>>>>> comply with the narrative
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:06 AM  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Not really.  Today you can get your message out to the world with a
>>>>>> tweet.
>>>>>> How would you have been able to do that 100 years ago?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Steven Kenney
>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:54 AM
>>>>>> *To:* af
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I sense overwhelming sarcasm.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Steven Kenney
>>>>>> Network Operations Manager
>>>>>> WaveDirect Telecommunications
>>>>>> http://www.wavedirect.net
>>>>>> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *From: *"chuck" 
>>>>>> *To: *"af" 
>>>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:14:10 AM
>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 100 years ago it was newspapers and they only printed what they
>>>>>> wanted you to hear.  Things are much better now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Jason McKemie <
>>>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's a problem when the main conduits for communication are all
>>>>>> private corporations though, especially in situations like this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of free
>>>>>>> speech protects the government from stifling speech...private citizens 
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> corporations are not required to protect anyone’s speech.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just stating what the
>>>>>>> constitution says.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> YMMV
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Sean
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jason McKemie <
>>>>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Being

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

who said anything about the size of the house

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:13 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Why should the size of the house matter?  It’s my house, I built it with
> my money.  You are free to build your own house or hang out at someone
> else’s house.
>
>
> In fact here on good ole animal farm we have lent and we can’t just say
> whatever we want...this is chuck’s house and we all abide by his rules.
>
> Sean
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 6:40 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> as long as your house doesnt integrate into multiple facets of society,
>> including government thats 100% true
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 6:56 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> You can always use gab.com the twitter alternative that champions free
>>> speech on their platform.
>>>
>>> Honestly if I build a house and invite you to come over for free to hang
>>> out and you start saying things I don’t like while inside my house I should
>>> be and I am entitled to kick you out of my house or make you shut up etc.
>>>
>>> now replace house with “social media platform”
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:15 AM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> yep, and your message can be removed in an instant if it does not
>>>> comply with the narrative
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:06 AM  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not really.  Today you can get your message out to the world with a
>>>>> tweet.
>>>>> How would you have been able to do that 100 years ago?
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Steven Kenney
>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:54 AM
>>>>> *To:* af
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>>>>
>>>>> I sense overwhelming sarcasm.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Steven Kenney
>>>>> Network Operations Manager
>>>>> WaveDirect Telecommunications
>>>>> http://www.wavedirect.net
>>>>> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *From: *"chuck" 
>>>>> *To: *"af" 
>>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:14:10 AM
>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>>>>
>>>>> 100 years ago it was newspapers and they only printed what they wanted
>>>>> you to hear.  Things are much better now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Jason McKemie <
>>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a problem when the main conduits for communication are all
>>>>> private corporations though, especially in situations like this.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of free
>>>>>> speech protects the government from stifling speech...private citizens 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> corporations are not required to protect anyone’s speech.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just stating what the
>>>>>> constitution says.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> YMMV
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Sean
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jason McKemie <
>>>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Being "not evil" I guess. Another copy has been put up, but the
>>>>>>> stifling of free speech is a bit alarming. They do this all of the time
>>>>>>> with things the left deems inappropriate. I'm pretty much centrist, but 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> fringe at both sides is absolutely abhorrent, I'll go back to adhering 
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> lent now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Whoa, google took it down?  That's amazing.   I wonder what the
>>>>>>>> process that resulted in that was?
>>>>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Why should the size of the house matter?  It’s my house, I built it with my
money.  You are free to build your own house or hang out at someone else’s
house.


In fact here on good ole animal farm we have lent and we can’t just say
whatever we want...this is chuck’s house and we all abide by his rules.

Sean



On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 6:40 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> as long as your house doesnt integrate into multiple facets of society,
> including government thats 100% true
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 6:56 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> You can always use gab.com the twitter alternative that champions free
>> speech on their platform.
>>
>> Honestly if I build a house and invite you to come over for free to hang
>> out and you start saying things I don’t like while inside my house I should
>> be and I am entitled to kick you out of my house or make you shut up etc.
>>
>> now replace house with “social media platform”
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:15 AM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> yep, and your message can be removed in an instant if it does not comply
>>> with the narrative
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:06 AM  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not really.  Today you can get your message out to the world with a
>>>> tweet.
>>>> How would you have been able to do that 100 years ago?
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Steven Kenney
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:54 AM
>>>> *To:* af
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>>>
>>>> I sense overwhelming sarcasm.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Steven Kenney
>>>> Network Operations Manager
>>>> WaveDirect Telecommunications
>>>> http://www.wavedirect.net
>>>> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *From: *"chuck" 
>>>> *To: *"af" 
>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:14:10 AM
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>>>
>>>> 100 years ago it was newspapers and they only printed what they wanted
>>>> you to hear.  Things are much better now.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Jason McKemie <
>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It's a problem when the main conduits for communication are all private
>>>> corporations though, especially in situations like this.
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of free
>>>>> speech protects the government from stifling speech...private citizens and
>>>>> corporations are not required to protect anyone’s speech.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just stating what the
>>>>> constitution says.
>>>>>
>>>>> YMMV
>>>>>
>>>>> -Sean
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jason McKemie <
>>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Being "not evil" I guess. Another copy has been put up, but the
>>>>>> stifling of free speech is a bit alarming. They do this all of the time
>>>>>> with things the left deems inappropriate. I'm pretty much centrist, but 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> fringe at both sides is absolutely abhorrent, I'll go back to adhering to
>>>>>> lent now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Whoa, google took it down?  That's amazing.   I wonder what the
>>>>>>> process that resulted in that was?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/27/20 8:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll watch it again, but it's a bit difficult now since Google took
>>>>>>> it down. Doesn't help the case that they feel like they need to cover 
>>>>>>> it up
>>>>>>> as opposed to just tearing it apart if it is so wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

as long as your house doesnt integrate into multiple facets of society,
including government thats 100% true

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 6:56 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> You can always use gab.com the twitter alternative that champions free
> speech on their platform.
>
> Honestly if I build a house and invite you to come over for free to hang
> out and you start saying things I don’t like while inside my house I should
> be and I am entitled to kick you out of my house or make you shut up etc.
>
> now replace house with “social media platform”
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:15 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> yep, and your message can be removed in an instant if it does not comply
>> with the narrative
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:06 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> Not really.  Today you can get your message out to the world with a
>>> tweet.
>>> How would you have been able to do that 100 years ago?
>>>
>>> *From:* Steven Kenney
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:54 AM
>>> *To:* af
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>>
>>> I sense overwhelming sarcasm.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Steven Kenney
>>> Network Operations Manager
>>> WaveDirect Telecommunications
>>> http://www.wavedirect.net
>>> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"chuck" 
>>> *To: *"af" 
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:14:10 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>>
>>> 100 years ago it was newspapers and they only printed what they wanted
>>> you to hear.  Things are much better now.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> It's a problem when the main conduits for communication are all private
>>> corporations though, especially in situations like this.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of free
>>>> speech protects the government from stifling speech...private citizens and
>>>> corporations are not required to protect anyone’s speech.
>>>>
>>>> Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just stating what the
>>>> constitution says.
>>>>
>>>> YMMV
>>>>
>>>> -Sean
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jason McKemie <
>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Being "not evil" I guess. Another copy has been put up, but the
>>>>> stifling of free speech is a bit alarming. They do this all of the time
>>>>> with things the left deems inappropriate. I'm pretty much centrist, but 
>>>>> the
>>>>> fringe at both sides is absolutely abhorrent, I'll go back to adhering to
>>>>> lent now.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Whoa, google took it down?  That's amazing.   I wonder what the
>>>>>> process that resulted in that was?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/27/20 8:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll watch it again, but it's a bit difficult now since Google took
>>>>>> it down. Doesn't help the case that they feel like they need to cover it 
>>>>>> up
>>>>>> as opposed to just tearing it apart if it is so wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's was pitched that way but you look at what they are doing with
>>>>>>> the "numbers" is totally fictitious...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/27/20 7:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If we're thinking of the same video I thought it was pretty
>>>>>>> refreshing, and the overall gist of the thing seemed pretty sound to me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yep, speculation that a couple of doctors in Kern County CA treated
>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

You can always use gab.com the twitter alternative that champions free
speech on their platform.

Honestly if I build a house and invite you to come over for free to hang
out and you start saying things I don’t like while inside my house I should
be and I am entitled to kick you out of my house or make you shut up etc.

now replace house with “social media platform”

-Sean


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:15 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> yep, and your message can be removed in an instant if it does not comply
> with the narrative
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:06 AM  wrote:
>
>> Not really.  Today you can get your message out to the world with a tweet.
>> How would you have been able to do that 100 years ago?
>>
>> *From:* Steven Kenney
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:54 AM
>> *To:* af
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>
>> I sense overwhelming sarcasm.
>>
>> --
>> Steven Kenney
>> Network Operations Manager
>> WaveDirect Telecommunications
>> http://www.wavedirect.net
>> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>>
>> --------------
>> *From: *"chuck" 
>> *To: *"af" 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:14:10 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>
>> 100 years ago it was newspapers and they only printed what they wanted
>> you to hear.  Things are much better now.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>> It's a problem when the main conduits for communication are all private
>> corporations though, especially in situations like this.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of free
>>> speech protects the government from stifling speech...private citizens and
>>> corporations are not required to protect anyone’s speech.
>>>
>>> Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just stating what the
>>> constitution says.
>>>
>>> YMMV
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Being "not evil" I guess. Another copy has been put up, but the
>>>> stifling of free speech is a bit alarming. They do this all of the time
>>>> with things the left deems inappropriate. I'm pretty much centrist, but the
>>>> fringe at both sides is absolutely abhorrent, I'll go back to adhering to
>>>> lent now.
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Whoa, google took it down?  That's amazing.   I wonder what the
>>>>> process that resulted in that was?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/27/20 8:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll watch it again, but it's a bit difficult now since Google took it
>>>>> down. Doesn't help the case that they feel like they need to cover it up 
>>>>> as
>>>>> opposed to just tearing it apart if it is so wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's was pitched that way but you look at what they are doing with
>>>>>> the "numbers" is totally fictitious...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/27/20 7:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If we're thinking of the same video I thought it was pretty
>>>>>> refreshing, and the overall gist of the thing seemed pretty sound to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yep, speculation that a couple of doctors in Kern County CA treated
>>>>>>> like science fact to back up their agenda...   Ethics in Medicine is 
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> about dead, put another nail in the coffin..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/27/20 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over 1
>>>>>>> million confirmed infections in the US. Let's hope that's the tip of the
>>>>>>> iceberg, and that the actual infections is in the neighborhood of 5

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

thats fake news. the media only reports fact, they even say so, as you
know, democracy dies in darkness and they are our last hope

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 12:45 PM Steven Kenney  wrote:

> I was referring to newspapers printing what the public wants to hear.  The
> exact opposite.  They print what they want you to believe.
>
> --
> Steven Kenney
> Network Operations Manager
> WaveDirect Telecommunications
> http://www.wavedirect.net
> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>
> --
> *From: *"chuck" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:06:12 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>
> Not really.  Today you can get your message out to the world with a tweet.
> How would you have been able to do that 100 years ago?
>
> *From:* Steven Kenney
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:54 AM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>
> I sense overwhelming sarcasm.
>
> --
> Steven Kenney
> Network Operations Manager
> WaveDirect Telecommunications
> http://www.wavedirect.net
> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>
> ------------------
> *From: *"chuck" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:14:10 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>
> 100 years ago it was newspapers and they only printed what they wanted you
> to hear.  Things are much better now.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> It's a problem when the main conduits for communication are all private
> corporations though, especially in situations like this.
>
> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of free
>> speech protects the government from stifling speech...private citizens and
>> corporations are not required to protect anyone’s speech.
>>
>> Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just stating what the
>> constitution says.
>>
>> YMMV
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Being "not evil" I guess. Another copy has been put up, but the stifling
>>> of free speech is a bit alarming. They do this all of the time with things
>>> the left deems inappropriate. I'm pretty much centrist, but the fringe at
>>> both sides is absolutely abhorrent, I'll go back to adhering to lent now.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Whoa, google took it down?  That's amazing.   I wonder what the process
>>>> that resulted in that was?
>>>>
>>>> On 4/27/20 8:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'll watch it again, but it's a bit difficult now since Google took it
>>>> down. Doesn't help the case that they feel like they need to cover it up as
>>>> opposed to just tearing it apart if it is so wrong.
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's was pitched that way but you look at what they are doing with the
>>>>> "numbers" is totally fictitious...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/27/20 7:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> If we're thinking of the same video I thought it was pretty
>>>>> refreshing, and the overall gist of the thing seemed pretty sound to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep, speculation that a couple of doctors in Kern County CA treated
>>>>>> like science fact to back up their agenda...   Ethics in Medicine is just
>>>>>> about dead, put another nail in the coffin..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/27/20 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over 1 million
>>>>>> confirmed infections in the US. Let's hope that's the tip of the iceberg,
>>>>>> and that the actual infections is in the neighborhood of 50-80 million. I
>>>>>> don't believe the number is actually that high, but I would believe
>>>>>> something around 5-8 million. Either way, it is still just speculation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-28 Thread Steven Kenney

I was referring to newspapers printing what the public wants to hear. The exact 
opposite. They print what they want you to believe. 

-- 
Steven Kenney 
Network Operations Manager 
WaveDirect Telecommunications 
http://www.wavedirect.net 
(519)737-WAVE (9283) 


From: "chuck"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:06:12 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism 

Not really. Today you can get your message out to the world with a tweet. 
How would you have been able to do that 100 years ago? 
From: Steven Kenney 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:54 AM 
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism 
I sense overwhelming sarcasm. 
-- 
Steven Kenney 
Network Operations Manager 
WaveDirect Telecommunications 
http://www.wavedirect.net 
(519)737-WAVE (9283) 

From: "chuck"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:14:10 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism 
100 years ago it was newspapers and they only printed what they wanted you to 
hear. Things are much better now. 

Sent from my iPhone 



On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Jason McKemie  
wrote: 





BQ_BEGIN

It's a problem when the main conduits for communication are all private 
corporations though, especially in situations like this. 

On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of free speech 
protects the government from stifling speech...private citizens and 
corporations are not required to protect anyone’s speech. 
Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just stating what the constitution 
says. 
YMMV 
-Sean 
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jason McKemie < 
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN
Being "not evil" I guess. Another copy has been put up, but the stifling of 
free speech is a bit alarming. They do this all of the time with things the 
left deems inappropriate. I'm pretty much centrist, but the fringe at both 
sides is absolutely abhorrent, I'll go back to adhering to lent now. 

On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Robert < i...@avantwireless.com > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

Whoa, google took it down? That's amazing. I wonder what the process that 
resulted in that was? 

On 4/27/20 8:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN
I'll watch it again, but it's a bit difficult now since Google took it down. 
Doesn't help the case that they feel like they need to cover it up as opposed 
to just tearing it apart if it is so wrong. 

On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert < i...@avantwireless.com > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

It's was pitched that way but you look at what they are doing with the 
"numbers" is totally fictitious... 


On 4/27/20 7:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN
If we're thinking of the same video I thought it was pretty refreshing, and the 
overall gist of the thing seemed pretty sound to me. 

On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert < i...@avantwireless.com > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

Yep, speculation that a couple of doctors in Kern County CA treated like 
science fact to back up their agenda... Ethics in Medicine is just about dead, 
put another nail in the coffin.. 

On 4/27/20 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN


Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over 1 million confirmed 
infections in the US. Let's hope that's the tip of the iceberg, and that the 
actual infections is in the neighborhood of 50-80 million. I don't believe the 
number is actually that high, but I would believe something around 5-8 million. 
Either way, it is still just speculation. 



bp
 
On 4/20/2020 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



What are the treatments that are now working? I try to be optimistic about 
antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right now they mainly have ventilators, 
which honestly aren’t very successful if 70-80% of the people die. They keep 
doing that because it’s the textbook therapy for respiratory distress, but it 
ain’t working. Even if it were working, ventilators are not a treatment, they 
don’t reverse the disease, they are just a measure to get you oxygen while your 
body hopefully fights the infection. And then you have the people experiencing 
kidney failure and needing dialysis, they’re not sure if the damage is 
permanent. 



I hope you’re right that the medical community has learned how to treat it, but 
I haven’t heard the evidence for that. 



Regarding a vaccine, one interesting piece of information I read was that even 
if they develop a successful and safe vaccine (many challenges including the 
sensitization problem), then they have to scale up vaccine production. Right 
now most vaccines are just for each new wave of schoolchildren, this would have 
to be for the entire population. And not in chicken eggs, it would have to be 
in big vats. And the interesting part is they could repurpose

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

lol. we have the ability to be our own starlink too. you have any spare
shekels ?


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:34 AM  wrote:

> But... you have the ability to be your own twitter, or FB or Afmug...
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:14 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>
> yep, and your message can be removed in an instant if it does not comply
> with the narrative
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:06 AM  wrote:
>
>> Not really.  Today you can get your message out to the world with a tweet.
>> How would you have been able to do that 100 years ago?
>>
>> *From:* Steven Kenney
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:54 AM
>> *To:* af
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>
>> I sense overwhelming sarcasm.
>>
>> --
>> Steven Kenney
>> Network Operations Manager
>> WaveDirect Telecommunications
>> http://www.wavedirect.net
>> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>>
>> ------------------
>> *From: *"chuck" 
>> *To: *"af" 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:14:10 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>
>> 100 years ago it was newspapers and they only printed what they wanted
>> you to hear.  Things are much better now.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>> It's a problem when the main conduits for communication are all private
>> corporations though, especially in situations like this.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of free
>>> speech protects the government from stifling speech...private citizens and
>>> corporations are not required to protect anyone’s speech.
>>>
>>> Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just stating what the
>>> constitution says.
>>>
>>> YMMV
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Being "not evil" I guess. Another copy has been put up, but the
>>>> stifling of free speech is a bit alarming. They do this all of the time
>>>> with things the left deems inappropriate. I'm pretty much centrist, but the
>>>> fringe at both sides is absolutely abhorrent, I'll go back to adhering to
>>>> lent now.
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Whoa, google took it down?  That's amazing.   I wonder what the
>>>>> process that resulted in that was?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/27/20 8:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll watch it again, but it's a bit difficult now since Google took it
>>>>> down. Doesn't help the case that they feel like they need to cover it up 
>>>>> as
>>>>> opposed to just tearing it apart if it is so wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's was pitched that way but you look at what they are doing with
>>>>>> the "numbers" is totally fictitious...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/27/20 7:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If we're thinking of the same video I thought it was pretty
>>>>>> refreshing, and the overall gist of the thing seemed pretty sound to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yep, speculation that a couple of doctors in Kern County CA treated
>>>>>>> like science fact to back up their agenda...   Ethics in Medicine is 
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> about dead, put another nail in the coffin..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/27/20 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over 1
>>>>>>> million confirmed infections in the US. Let's hope that's the tip of the
>>>>>>> iceberg, and that the actual infections is in the neighborhood of 50-80
&g

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-28 Thread Bill Prince


  
  
and we do.


bp



On 4/28/2020 9:33 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  But... you have the ability to be your own twitter, or FB
or Afmug...
  

   
  
From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:14 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope
  and optimism
  

 
  
  
yep, and your message can be removed in an
  instant if it does not comply with the narrative
 

  On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at
11:06 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com>
wrote:
  
  

  

  Not really.  Today you can get your message
out to the world with a tweet.
  How would you have been able to do that 100
years ago?
  

   
  
From: Steven Kenney

Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020
  9:54 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a
      bit of hope and optimism
  

 
  
  

  I sense overwhelming sarcasm.  
   
  -- 
Steven Kenney
Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)
   
  
  From: "chuck" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: "af" <af@af.afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020
8:14:10 AM
                Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit
    of hope and optimism
  
   
  100 years ago it was newspapers and they
only printed what they wanted you to hear. 
Things are much better now.

Sent from my iPhone

  On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:49 AM,
Jason McKemie <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
wrote:

  


  It's a problem when the
main conduits for communication are all
private corporations though, especially
in situations like this.

On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett
<af...@zirkel.us>
wrote:

  
Most people don’t realize that
  the constitutional protection of
  free speech protects the
  government from stifling
  speech...private citizens and
  corporations are not required to
  protect anyone’s speech.  
  
   
  Not saying I agree or disagree
with it, just stating what the
constitution says.
   
  YMMV
   
  -Sean
   
  
 

  On
Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM
Jason McKemie <j.mcke...@veloxinetbr

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-28 Thread chuck

But... you have the ability to be your own twitter, or FB or Afmug...

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:14 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

yep, and your message can be removed in an instant if it does not comply with 
the narrative

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:06 AM  wrote:

  Not really.  Today you can get your message out to the world with a tweet.
  How would you have been able to do that 100 years ago?

  From: Steven Kenney 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:54 AM
  To: af 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

  I sense overwhelming sarcasm.  

  -- 
  Steven Kenney
  Network Operations Manager
  WaveDirect Telecommunications
  http://www.wavedirect.net
  (519)737-WAVE (9283)

--

  From: "chuck" 
  To: "af" 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:14:10 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

  100 years ago it was newspapers and they only printed what they wanted you to 
hear.  Things are much better now.

  Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

It's a problem when the main conduits for communication are all private 
corporations though, especially in situations like this.

On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett  wrote:

  Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of free 
speech protects the government from stifling speech...private citizens and 
corporations are not required to protect anyone’s speech.  

  Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just stating what the 
constitution says.

  YMMV

  -Sean

  On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

Being "not evil" I guess. Another copy has been put up, but the 
stifling of free speech is a bit alarming. They do this all of the time with 
things the left deems inappropriate. I'm pretty much centrist, but the fringe 
at both sides is absolutely abhorrent, I'll go back to adhering to lent now.

On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Robert  wrote:

  Whoa, google took it down?  That's amazing.   I wonder what the 
process that resulted in that was?

  On 4/27/20 8:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

I'll watch it again, but it's a bit difficult now since Google took 
it down. Doesn't help the case that they feel like they need to cover it up as 
opposed to just tearing it apart if it is so wrong.

On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:

  It's was pitched that way but you look at what they are doing 
with the "numbers" is totally fictitious...

  On 4/27/20 7:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

If we're thinking of the same video I thought it was pretty 
refreshing, and the overall gist of the thing seemed pretty sound to me.

On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  
wrote:

  Yep, speculation that a couple of doctors in Kern County CA 
treated like science fact to back up their agenda...   Ethics in Medicine is 
just about dead, put another nail in the coffin..

  On 4/27/20 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over 
1 million confirmed infections in the US. Let's hope that's the tip of the 
iceberg, and that the actual infections is in the neighborhood of 50-80 
million. I don't believe the number is actually that high, but I would believe 
something around 5-8 million. Either way, it is still just speculation.

bp

On 4/20/2020 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  What are the treatments that are now working?  I try to 
be optimistic about antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right now they 
mainly have ventilators, which honestly aren’t very successful if 70-80% of the 
people die.  They keep doing that because it’s the textbook therapy for 
respiratory distress, but it ain’t working.  Even if it were working, 
ventilators are not a treatment, they don’t reverse the disease, they are just 
a measure to get you oxygen while your body hopefully fights the infection.  
And then you have the people experiencing kidney failure and needing dialysis, 
they’re not sure if the damage is permanent.

  I hope you’re right that the medical community has 
learned how to treat it, but I haven’t heard the evidence for that.

  Regarding a vaccine, one interesting piece of information 
I read was that even if they develop a successful and safe vaccine (many 
challenges including the sensitization problem), then they have to scale up 
vaccine production.  Right now most vaccines are just for each new wave of 
schoolchildren, this would have to be for the entire population.  And not in 
chicken eggs, it woul

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

yep, and your message can be removed in an instant if it does not comply
with the narrative

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:06 AM  wrote:

> Not really.  Today you can get your message out to the world with a tweet.
> How would you have been able to do that 100 years ago?
>
> *From:* Steven Kenney
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:54 AM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>
> I sense overwhelming sarcasm.
>
> --
> Steven Kenney
> Network Operations Manager
> WaveDirect Telecommunications
> http://www.wavedirect.net
> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>
> --
> *From: *"chuck" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:14:10 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>
> 100 years ago it was newspapers and they only printed what they wanted you
> to hear.  Things are much better now.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> It's a problem when the main conduits for communication are all private
> corporations though, especially in situations like this.
>
> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of free
>> speech protects the government from stifling speech...private citizens and
>> corporations are not required to protect anyone’s speech.
>>
>> Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just stating what the
>> constitution says.
>>
>> YMMV
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Being "not evil" I guess. Another copy has been put up, but the stifling
>>> of free speech is a bit alarming. They do this all of the time with things
>>> the left deems inappropriate. I'm pretty much centrist, but the fringe at
>>> both sides is absolutely abhorrent, I'll go back to adhering to lent now.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Whoa, google took it down?  That's amazing.   I wonder what the process
>>>> that resulted in that was?
>>>>
>>>> On 4/27/20 8:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'll watch it again, but it's a bit difficult now since Google took it
>>>> down. Doesn't help the case that they feel like they need to cover it up as
>>>> opposed to just tearing it apart if it is so wrong.
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's was pitched that way but you look at what they are doing with the
>>>>> "numbers" is totally fictitious...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/27/20 7:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> If we're thinking of the same video I thought it was pretty
>>>>> refreshing, and the overall gist of the thing seemed pretty sound to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep, speculation that a couple of doctors in Kern County CA treated
>>>>>> like science fact to back up their agenda...   Ethics in Medicine is just
>>>>>> about dead, put another nail in the coffin..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/27/20 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over 1 million
>>>>>> confirmed infections in the US. Let's hope that's the tip of the iceberg,
>>>>>> and that the actual infections is in the neighborhood of 50-80 million. I
>>>>>> don't believe the number is actually that high, but I would believe
>>>>>> something around 5-8 million. Either way, it is still just speculation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bp
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/20/2020 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What are the treatments that are now working?  I try to be optimistic
>>>>>> about antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right now they mainly have
>>>>>> ventilators, which honestly aren’t very successful if 70-80% of the 
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> die.  They keep doing that because it’s the textbook ther

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-28 Thread chuck

Not really.  Today you can get your message out to the world with a tweet.
How would you have been able to do that 100 years ago?

From: Steven Kenney 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:54 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

I sense overwhelming sarcasm.  

-- 
Steven Kenney
Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)

From: "chuck" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:14:10 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

100 years ago it was newspapers and they only printed what they wanted you to 
hear.  Things are much better now.

Sent from my iPhone

  On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Jason McKemie  
wrote:

  It's a problem when the main conduits for communication are all private 
corporations though, especially in situations like this.

  On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett  wrote:

Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of free speech 
protects the government from stifling speech...private citizens and 
corporations are not required to protect anyone’s speech.  

Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just stating what the constitution 
says.

YMMV

-Sean

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

  Being "not evil" I guess. Another copy has been put up, but the stifling 
of free speech is a bit alarming. They do this all of the time with things the 
left deems inappropriate. I'm pretty much centrist, but the fringe at both 
sides is absolutely abhorrent, I'll go back to adhering to lent now.

  On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Robert  wrote:

Whoa, google took it down?  That's amazing.   I wonder what the process 
that resulted in that was?

On 4/27/20 8:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

  I'll watch it again, but it's a bit difficult now since Google took 
it down. Doesn't help the case that they feel like they need to cover it up as 
opposed to just tearing it apart if it is so wrong.

  On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:

It's was pitched that way but you look at what they are doing with 
the "numbers" is totally fictitious...

On 4/27/20 7:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

  If we're thinking of the same video I thought it was pretty 
refreshing, and the overall gist of the thing seemed pretty sound to me.

  On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:

Yep, speculation that a couple of doctors in Kern County CA 
treated like science fact to back up their agenda...   Ethics in Medicine is 
just about dead, put another nail in the coffin..

On 4/27/20 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

  Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over 1 
million confirmed infections in the US. Let's hope that's the tip of the 
iceberg, and that the actual infections is in the neighborhood of 50-80 
million. I don't believe the number is actually that high, but I would believe 
something around 5-8 million. Either way, it is still just speculation.

bp

On 4/20/2020 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

What are the treatments that are now working?  I try to be 
optimistic about antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right now they mainly 
have ventilators, which honestly aren’t very successful if 70-80% of the people 
die.  They keep doing that because it’s the textbook therapy for respiratory 
distress, but it ain’t working.  Even if it were working, ventilators are not a 
treatment, they don’t reverse the disease, they are just a measure to get you 
oxygen while your body hopefully fights the infection.  And then you have the 
people experiencing kidney failure and needing dialysis, they’re not sure if 
the damage is permanent.

I hope you’re right that the medical community has learned 
how to treat it, but I haven’t heard the evidence for that.

Regarding a vaccine, one interesting piece of information I 
read was that even if they develop a successful and safe vaccine (many 
challenges including the sensitization problem), then they have to scale up 
vaccine production.  Right now most vaccines are just for each new wave of 
schoolchildren, this would have to be for the entire population.  And not in 
chicken eggs, it would have to be in big vats.  And the interesting part is 
they could repurpose fermentation tanks used for things like brewing beer.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Bill 
Prince
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:20 AM
        To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Time will tell based on wheth

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-28 Thread Steven Kenney

I sense overwhelming sarcasm. 

-- 
Steven Kenney 
Network Operations Manager 
WaveDirect Telecommunications 
http://www.wavedirect.net 
(519)737-WAVE (9283) 


From: "chuck"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:14:10 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism 

100 years ago it was newspapers and they only printed what they wanted you to 
hear. Things are much better now. 

Sent from my iPhone 



On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Jason McKemie  
wrote: 





BQ_BEGIN

It's a problem when the main conduits for communication are all private 
corporations though, especially in situations like this. 

On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett < [ mailto:af...@zirkel.us | 
af...@zirkel.us ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of free speech 
protects the government from stifling speech...private citizens and 
corporations are not required to protect anyone’s speech. 

Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just stating what the constitution 
says. 

YMMV 

-Sean 


On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jason McKemie < [ 
mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com | j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com ] > 
wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN
Being "not evil" I guess. Another copy has been put up, but the stifling of 
free speech is a bit alarming. They do this all of the time with things the 
left deems inappropriate. I'm pretty much centrist, but the fringe at both 
sides is absolutely abhorrent, I'll go back to adhering to lent now. 

On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Robert < [ mailto:i...@avantwireless.com | 
i...@avantwireless.com ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

Whoa, google took it down? That's amazing. I wonder what the process that 
resulted in that was? 

On 4/27/20 8:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN
I'll watch it again, but it's a bit difficult now since Google took it down. 
Doesn't help the case that they feel like they need to cover it up as opposed 
to just tearing it apart if it is so wrong. 

On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert < [ mailto:i...@avantwireless.com | 
i...@avantwireless.com ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

It's was pitched that way but you look at what they are doing with the 
"numbers" is totally fictitious... 


On 4/27/20 7:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN
If we're thinking of the same video I thought it was pretty refreshing, and the 
overall gist of the thing seemed pretty sound to me. 

On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert < [ mailto:i...@avantwireless.com | 
i...@avantwireless.com ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

Yep, speculation that a couple of doctors in Kern County CA treated like 
science fact to back up their agenda... Ethics in Medicine is just about dead, 
put another nail in the coffin.. 

On 4/27/20 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN


Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over 1 million confirmed 
infections in the US. Let's hope that's the tip of the iceberg, and that the 
actual infections is in the neighborhood of 50-80 million. I don't believe the 
number is actually that high, but I would believe something around 5-8 million. 
Either way, it is still just speculation. 



bp
 
On 4/20/2020 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



What are the treatments that are now working? I try to be optimistic about 
antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right now they mainly have ventilators, 
which honestly aren’t very successful if 70-80% of the people die. They keep 
doing that because it’s the textbook therapy for respiratory distress, but it 
ain’t working. Even if it were working, ventilators are not a treatment, they 
don’t reverse the disease, they are just a measure to get you oxygen while your 
body hopefully fights the infection. And then you have the people experiencing 
kidney failure and needing dialysis, they’re not sure if the damage is 
permanent. 



I hope you’re right that the medical community has learned how to treat it, but 
I haven’t heard the evidence for that. 



Regarding a vaccine, one interesting piece of information I read was that even 
if they develop a successful and safe vaccine (many challenges including the 
sensitization problem), then they have to scale up vaccine production. Right 
now most vaccines are just for each new wave of schoolchildren, this would have 
to be for the entire population. And not in chicken eggs, it would have to be 
in big vats. And the interesting part is they could repurpose fermentation 
tanks used for things like brewing beer. 






From: AF [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com |  ] On 
Behalf Of Bill Prince 
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:20 AM 
To: [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism 




Time will tell based on whether it actually starts declining in a meaningful 
way, or whether we're going to bump along for a bit. Remember, the goal was to 
flatten the curve; it wasn&#

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Two ways to fix it...change the constitution or stop using those company’s
services until they change their behavior.  I don’t know which would be
easier.

-Sean


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:49 AM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> It's a problem when the main conduits for communication are all private
> corporations though, especially in situations like this.
>
> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of free
>> speech protects the government from stifling speech...private citizens and
>> corporations are not required to protect anyone’s speech.
>>
>> Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just stating what the
>> constitution says.
>>
>> YMMV
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Being "not evil" I guess. Another copy has been put up, but the stifling
>>> of free speech is a bit alarming. They do this all of the time with things
>>> the left deems inappropriate. I'm pretty much centrist, but the fringe at
>>> both sides is absolutely abhorrent, I'll go back to adhering to lent now.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Whoa, google took it down?  That's amazing.   I wonder what the process
>>>> that resulted in that was?
>>>>
>>>> On 4/27/20 8:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'll watch it again, but it's a bit difficult now since Google took it
>>>> down. Doesn't help the case that they feel like they need to cover it up as
>>>> opposed to just tearing it apart if it is so wrong.
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's was pitched that way but you look at what they are doing with the
>>>>> "numbers" is totally fictitious...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/27/20 7:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> If we're thinking of the same video I thought it was pretty
>>>>> refreshing, and the overall gist of the thing seemed pretty sound to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep, speculation that a couple of doctors in Kern County CA treated
>>>>>> like science fact to back up their agenda...   Ethics in Medicine is just
>>>>>> about dead, put another nail in the coffin..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/27/20 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over 1 million
>>>>>> confirmed infections in the US. Let's hope that's the tip of the iceberg,
>>>>>> and that the actual infections is in the neighborhood of 50-80 million. I
>>>>>> don't believe the number is actually that high, but I would believe
>>>>>> something around 5-8 million. Either way, it is still just speculation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bp
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/20/2020 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What are the treatments that are now working?  I try to be optimistic
>>>>>> about antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right now they mainly have
>>>>>> ventilators, which honestly aren’t very successful if 70-80% of the 
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> die.  They keep doing that because it’s the textbook therapy for
>>>>>> respiratory distress, but it ain’t working.  Even if it were working,
>>>>>> ventilators are not a treatment, they don’t reverse the disease, they are
>>>>>> just a measure to get you oxygen while your body hopefully fights the
>>>>>> infection.  And then you have the people experiencing kidney failure and
>>>>>> needing dialysis, they’re not sure if the damage is permanent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope you’re right that the medical community has learned how to
>>>>>> treat it, but I haven’t heard the evidence for that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regarding a vaccine, one interest

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-28 Thread Harold Bledsoe

https://nypost.com/2020/04/27/ive-worked-the-coronavirus-front-line-and-i-say-its-time-to-start-opening-up/

I found this an interesting read (NY Post but author seems legit). He
mentions a 43% positive rate in the Bronx although I don't see a source.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 7:14 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> 100 years ago it was newspapers and they only printed what they wanted you
> to hear.  Things are much better now.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> It's a problem when the main conduits for communication are all private
> corporations though, especially in situations like this.
>
> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of free
>> speech protects the government from stifling speech...private citizens and
>> corporations are not required to protect anyone’s speech.
>>
>> Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just stating what the
>> constitution says.
>>
>> YMMV
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Being "not evil" I guess. Another copy has been put up, but the stifling
>>> of free speech is a bit alarming. They do this all of the time with things
>>> the left deems inappropriate. I'm pretty much centrist, but the fringe at
>>> both sides is absolutely abhorrent, I'll go back to adhering to lent now.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Whoa, google took it down?  That's amazing.   I wonder what the process
>>>> that resulted in that was?
>>>>
>>>> On 4/27/20 8:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'll watch it again, but it's a bit difficult now since Google took it
>>>> down. Doesn't help the case that they feel like they need to cover it up as
>>>> opposed to just tearing it apart if it is so wrong.
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's was pitched that way but you look at what they are doing with the
>>>>> "numbers" is totally fictitious...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/27/20 7:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> If we're thinking of the same video I thought it was pretty
>>>>> refreshing, and the overall gist of the thing seemed pretty sound to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep, speculation that a couple of doctors in Kern County CA treated
>>>>>> like science fact to back up their agenda...   Ethics in Medicine is just
>>>>>> about dead, put another nail in the coffin..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/27/20 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over 1 million
>>>>>> confirmed infections in the US. Let's hope that's the tip of the iceberg,
>>>>>> and that the actual infections is in the neighborhood of 50-80 million. I
>>>>>> don't believe the number is actually that high, but I would believe
>>>>>> something around 5-8 million. Either way, it is still just speculation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bp
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/20/2020 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What are the treatments that are now working?  I try to be optimistic
>>>>>> about antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right now they mainly have
>>>>>> ventilators, which honestly aren’t very successful if 70-80% of the 
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> die.  They keep doing that because it’s the textbook therapy for
>>>>>> respiratory distress, but it ain’t working.  Even if it were working,
>>>>>> ventilators are not a treatment, they don’t reverse the disease, they are
>>>>>> just a measure to get you oxygen while your body hopefully fights the
>>>>>> infection.  And then you have the people experiencing kidney failure and
>>>>>> needing dialysis, they’re not sure if the damage is permanent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-28 Thread Chuck McCown

100 years ago it was newspapers and they only printed what they wanted you to 
hear.  Things are much better now.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Jason McKemie  
> wrote:
> 
> It's a problem when the main conduits for communication are all private 
> corporations though, especially in situations like this.
> 
>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>> Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of free speech 
>> protects the government from stifling speech...private citizens and 
>> corporations are not required to protect anyone’s speech.  
>> 
>> Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just stating what the constitution 
>> says.
>> 
>> YMMV
>> 
>> -Sean
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jason McKemie 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Being "not evil" I guess. Another copy has been put up, but the stifling of 
>>> free speech is a bit alarming. They do this all of the time with things the 
>>> left deems inappropriate. I'm pretty much centrist, but the fringe at both 
>>> sides is absolutely abhorrent, I'll go back to adhering to lent now.
>>> 
>>>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>> Whoa, google took it down?  That's amazing.   I wonder what the process 
>>>> that resulted in that was?
>>>> 
>>>> On 4/27/20 8:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>>> I'll watch it again, but it's a bit difficult now since Google took it 
>>>>> down. Doesn't help the case that they feel like they need to cover it up 
>>>>> as opposed to just tearing it apart if it is so wrong.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>>>> It's was pitched that way but you look at what they are doing with the 
>>>>>> "numbers" is totally fictitious...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 4/27/20 7:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>>>>> If we're thinking of the same video I thought it was pretty refreshing, 
>>>>>>> and the overall gist of the thing seemed pretty sound to me.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>>>>>> Yep, speculation that a couple of doctors in Kern County CA treated 
>>>>>>>> like science fact to back up their agenda...   Ethics in Medicine is 
>>>>>>>> just about dead, put another nail in the coffin..
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 4/27/20 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over 1 million 
>>>>>>>>> confirmed infections in the US. Let's hope that's the tip of the 
>>>>>>>>> iceberg, and that the actual infections is in the neighborhood of 
>>>>>>>>> 50-80 million. I don't believe the number is actually that high, but 
>>>>>>>>> I would believe something around 5-8 million. Either way, it is still 
>>>>>>>>> just speculation.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/20/2020 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> What are the treatments that are now working?  I try to be 
>>>>>>>>>> optimistic about antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right now 
>>>>>>>>>> they mainly have ventilators, which honestly aren’t very successful 
>>>>>>>>>> if 70-80% of the people die.  They keep doing that because it’s the 
>>>>>>>>>> textbook therapy for respiratory distress, but it ain’t working.  
>>>>>>>>>> Even if it were working, ventilators are not a treatment, they don’t 
>>>>>>>>>> reverse the disease, they are just a measure to get you oxygen while 
>>>>>>>>>> your body hopefully fights the infection.  And then you have the 
>>>>>>>>>> people experiencing kidney failure and needing dialysis, they’re not 
>>>>>>>>>> sure if the damage is permanent.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-28 Thread Jason McKemie

It's a problem when the main conduits for communication are all private
corporations though, especially in situations like this.

On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of free
> speech protects the government from stifling speech...private citizens and
> corporations are not required to protect anyone’s speech.
>
> Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just stating what the constitution
> says.
>
> YMMV
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Being "not evil" I guess. Another copy has been put up, but the stifling
>> of free speech is a bit alarming. They do this all of the time with things
>> the left deems inappropriate. I'm pretty much centrist, but the fringe at
>> both sides is absolutely abhorrent, I'll go back to adhering to lent now.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>
>>> Whoa, google took it down?  That's amazing.   I wonder what the process
>>> that resulted in that was?
>>>
>>> On 4/27/20 8:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>
>>> I'll watch it again, but it's a bit difficult now since Google took it
>>> down. Doesn't help the case that they feel like they need to cover it up as
>>> opposed to just tearing it apart if it is so wrong.
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's was pitched that way but you look at what they are doing with the
>>>> "numbers" is totally fictitious...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/27/20 7:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If we're thinking of the same video I thought it was pretty refreshing,
>>>> and the overall gist of the thing seemed pretty sound to me.
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yep, speculation that a couple of doctors in Kern County CA treated
>>>>> like science fact to back up their agenda...   Ethics in Medicine is just
>>>>> about dead, put another nail in the coffin..
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/27/20 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over 1 million
>>>>> confirmed infections in the US. Let's hope that's the tip of the iceberg,
>>>>> and that the actual infections is in the neighborhood of 50-80 million. I
>>>>> don't believe the number is actually that high, but I would believe
>>>>> something around 5-8 million. Either way, it is still just speculation.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> bp
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/20/2020 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> What are the treatments that are now working?  I try to be optimistic
>>>>> about antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right now they mainly have
>>>>> ventilators, which honestly aren’t very successful if 70-80% of the people
>>>>> die.  They keep doing that because it’s the textbook therapy for
>>>>> respiratory distress, but it ain’t working.  Even if it were working,
>>>>> ventilators are not a treatment, they don’t reverse the disease, they are
>>>>> just a measure to get you oxygen while your body hopefully fights the
>>>>> infection.  And then you have the people experiencing kidney failure and
>>>>> needing dialysis, they’re not sure if the damage is permanent.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope you’re right that the medical community has learned how to
>>>>> treat it, but I haven’t heard the evidence for that.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regarding a vaccine, one interesting piece of information I read was
>>>>> that even if they develop a successful and safe vaccine (many challenges
>>>>> including the sensitization problem), then they have to scale up vaccine
>>>>> production.  Right now most vaccines are just for each new wave of
>>>>> schoolchildren, this would have to be for the entire population.  And not
>>>>> in chicken eggs, it would have to be in big vats.  And the interesting 
>>>>> part
>>>>> is they could repurpose fermentation tanks used for things like brewing
>>>>> beer.

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-27 Thread Sean Heskett

Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of free speech
protects the government from stifling speech...private citizens and
corporations are not required to protect anyone’s speech.

Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just stating what the constitution
says.

YMMV

-Sean


On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Being "not evil" I guess. Another copy has been put up, but the stifling
> of free speech is a bit alarming. They do this all of the time with things
> the left deems inappropriate. I'm pretty much centrist, but the fringe at
> both sides is absolutely abhorrent, I'll go back to adhering to lent now.
>
> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>
>> Whoa, google took it down?  That's amazing.   I wonder what the process
>> that resulted in that was?
>>
>> On 4/27/20 8:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>> I'll watch it again, but it's a bit difficult now since Google took it
>> down. Doesn't help the case that they feel like they need to cover it up as
>> opposed to just tearing it apart if it is so wrong.
>>
>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>
>>> It's was pitched that way but you look at what they are doing with the
>>> "numbers" is totally fictitious...
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/27/20 7:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>
>>> If we're thinking of the same video I thought it was pretty refreshing,
>>> and the overall gist of the thing seemed pretty sound to me.
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yep, speculation that a couple of doctors in Kern County CA treated
>>>> like science fact to back up their agenda...   Ethics in Medicine is just
>>>> about dead, put another nail in the coffin..
>>>>
>>>> On 4/27/20 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over 1 million
>>>> confirmed infections in the US. Let's hope that's the tip of the iceberg,
>>>> and that the actual infections is in the neighborhood of 50-80 million. I
>>>> don't believe the number is actually that high, but I would believe
>>>> something around 5-8 million. Either way, it is still just speculation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> bp
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/20/2020 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What are the treatments that are now working?  I try to be optimistic
>>>> about antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right now they mainly have
>>>> ventilators, which honestly aren’t very successful if 70-80% of the people
>>>> die.  They keep doing that because it’s the textbook therapy for
>>>> respiratory distress, but it ain’t working.  Even if it were working,
>>>> ventilators are not a treatment, they don’t reverse the disease, they are
>>>> just a measure to get you oxygen while your body hopefully fights the
>>>> infection.  And then you have the people experiencing kidney failure and
>>>> needing dialysis, they’re not sure if the damage is permanent.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I hope you’re right that the medical community has learned how to treat
>>>> it, but I haven’t heard the evidence for that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regarding a vaccine, one interesting piece of information I read was
>>>> that even if they develop a successful and safe vaccine (many challenges
>>>> including the sensitization problem), then they have to scale up vaccine
>>>> production.  Right now most vaccines are just for each new wave of
>>>> schoolchildren, this would have to be for the entire population.  And not
>>>> in chicken eggs, it would have to be in big vats.  And the interesting part
>>>> is they could repurpose fermentation tanks used for things like brewing
>>>> beer.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* AF   *On
>>>> Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 11:20 AM
>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Time will tell based on whether it actually starts declining in a
>>>> meaningful way, or whether we're going to bump along for a bit. Remember,
>>>> the goal was to flatten the curve; it wasn't necessarily going to reduce
>>>> the number of infections. I get the impression that the medical community
>>>> has learned a lot about how to actually treat it.
>>>>
>>>> Let's see where we are a week from today (April 27). If we are over 1
>>>> million infections, this may be going a while yet. If it is under 1
>>>> million, I would be more encouraged.
>>>>
>>>> bp
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/20/2020 8:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [image: image]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-27 Thread Steve Jones

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ndL0uSmKTQU

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 12:19 AM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Being "not evil" I guess. Another copy has been put up, but the stifling
> of free speech is a bit alarming. They do this all of the time with things
> the left deems inappropriate. I'm pretty much centrist, but the fringe at
> both sides is absolutely abhorrent, I'll go back to adhering to lent now.
>
> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>
>> Whoa, google took it down?  That's amazing.   I wonder what the process
>> that resulted in that was?
>>
>> On 4/27/20 8:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>> I'll watch it again, but it's a bit difficult now since Google took it
>> down. Doesn't help the case that they feel like they need to cover it up as
>> opposed to just tearing it apart if it is so wrong.
>>
>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>
>>> It's was pitched that way but you look at what they are doing with the
>>> "numbers" is totally fictitious...
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/27/20 7:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>
>>> If we're thinking of the same video I thought it was pretty refreshing,
>>> and the overall gist of the thing seemed pretty sound to me.
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yep, speculation that a couple of doctors in Kern County CA treated
>>>> like science fact to back up their agenda...   Ethics in Medicine is just
>>>> about dead, put another nail in the coffin..
>>>>
>>>> On 4/27/20 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over 1 million
>>>> confirmed infections in the US. Let's hope that's the tip of the iceberg,
>>>> and that the actual infections is in the neighborhood of 50-80 million. I
>>>> don't believe the number is actually that high, but I would believe
>>>> something around 5-8 million. Either way, it is still just speculation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> bp
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/20/2020 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What are the treatments that are now working?  I try to be optimistic
>>>> about antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right now they mainly have
>>>> ventilators, which honestly aren’t very successful if 70-80% of the people
>>>> die.  They keep doing that because it’s the textbook therapy for
>>>> respiratory distress, but it ain’t working.  Even if it were working,
>>>> ventilators are not a treatment, they don’t reverse the disease, they are
>>>> just a measure to get you oxygen while your body hopefully fights the
>>>> infection.  And then you have the people experiencing kidney failure and
>>>> needing dialysis, they’re not sure if the damage is permanent.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I hope you’re right that the medical community has learned how to treat
>>>> it, but I haven’t heard the evidence for that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regarding a vaccine, one interesting piece of information I read was
>>>> that even if they develop a successful and safe vaccine (many challenges
>>>> including the sensitization problem), then they have to scale up vaccine
>>>> production.  Right now most vaccines are just for each new wave of
>>>> schoolchildren, this would have to be for the entire population.  And not
>>>> in chicken eggs, it would have to be in big vats.  And the interesting part
>>>> is they could repurpose fermentation tanks used for things like brewing
>>>> beer.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* AF   *On
>>>> Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 11:20 AM
>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Time will tell based on whether it actually starts declining in a
>>>> meaningful way, or whether we're going to bump along for a bit. Remember,
>>>> the goal was to flatten the curve; it wasn't necessarily going to reduce
>>>> the number of infections. I get the impression that the medical community
>>>> has learned a lot about how to actually treat it.
>>>>
>>>> Let's see where we are a week from today (April 27). If we are over 1
>>>> million infections, this may be going a while yet. If it is under 1
>>>> million, I would be more encouraged.
>>>>
>>>> bp
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/20/2020 8:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [image: image]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-27 Thread Jason McKemie

Being "not evil" I guess. Another copy has been put up, but the stifling of
free speech is a bit alarming. They do this all of the time with things the
left deems inappropriate. I'm pretty much centrist, but the fringe at both
sides is absolutely abhorrent, I'll go back to adhering to lent now.

On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Robert  wrote:

> Whoa, google took it down?  That's amazing.   I wonder what the process
> that resulted in that was?
>
> On 4/27/20 8:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> I'll watch it again, but it's a bit difficult now since Google took it
> down. Doesn't help the case that they feel like they need to cover it up as
> opposed to just tearing it apart if it is so wrong.
>
> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>
>> It's was pitched that way but you look at what they are doing with the
>> "numbers" is totally fictitious...
>>
>>
>> On 4/27/20 7:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>> If we're thinking of the same video I thought it was pretty refreshing,
>> and the overall gist of the thing seemed pretty sound to me.
>>
>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>
>>> Yep, speculation that a couple of doctors in Kern County CA treated like
>>> science fact to back up their agenda...   Ethics in Medicine is just about
>>> dead, put another nail in the coffin..
>>>
>>> On 4/27/20 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>
>>> Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over 1 million
>>> confirmed infections in the US. Let's hope that's the tip of the iceberg,
>>> and that the actual infections is in the neighborhood of 50-80 million. I
>>> don't believe the number is actually that high, but I would believe
>>> something around 5-8 million. Either way, it is still just speculation.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/20/2020 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>
>>> What are the treatments that are now working?  I try to be optimistic
>>> about antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right now they mainly have
>>> ventilators, which honestly aren’t very successful if 70-80% of the people
>>> die.  They keep doing that because it’s the textbook therapy for
>>> respiratory distress, but it ain’t working.  Even if it were working,
>>> ventilators are not a treatment, they don’t reverse the disease, they are
>>> just a measure to get you oxygen while your body hopefully fights the
>>> infection.  And then you have the people experiencing kidney failure and
>>> needing dialysis, they’re not sure if the damage is permanent.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I hope you’re right that the medical community has learned how to treat
>>> it, but I haven’t heard the evidence for that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regarding a vaccine, one interesting piece of information I read was
>>> that even if they develop a successful and safe vaccine (many challenges
>>> including the sensitization problem), then they have to scale up vaccine
>>> production.  Right now most vaccines are just for each new wave of
>>> schoolchildren, this would have to be for the entire population.  And not
>>> in chicken eggs, it would have to be in big vats.  And the interesting part
>>> is they could repurpose fermentation tanks used for things like brewing
>>> beer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF   *On
>>> Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 11:20 AM
>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Time will tell based on whether it actually starts declining in a
>>> meaningful way, or whether we're going to bump along for a bit. Remember,
>>> the goal was to flatten the curve; it wasn't necessarily going to reduce
>>> the number of infections. I get the impression that the medical community
>>> has learned a lot about how to actually treat it.
>>>
>>> Let's see where we are a week from today (April 27). If we are over 1
>>> million infections, this may be going a while yet. If it is under 1
>>> million, I would be more encouraged.
>>>
>>> bp
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/20/2020 8:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: image]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Whoa, google took it down?  That's amazing.   I wonder what the process 
that resulted in that was?


On 4/27/20 8:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
I'll watch it again, but it's a bit difficult now since Google took it 
down. Doesn't help the case that they feel like they need to cover it 
up as opposed to just tearing it apart if it is so wrong.


On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:


It's was pitched that way but you look at what they are doing with
the "numbers" is totally fictitious...


On 4/27/20 7:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

If we're thinking of the same video I thought it was pretty
refreshing, and the overall gist of the thing seemed pretty sound
to me.

On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

Yep, speculation that a couple of doctors in Kern County CA
treated like science fact to back up their agenda...   Ethics
in Medicine is just about dead, put another nail in the coffin..

On 4/27/20 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over
1 million confirmed infections in the US. Let's hope that's
the tip of the iceberg, and that the actual infections is in
the neighborhood of 50-80 million. I don't believe the
number is actually that high, but I would believe something
around 5-8 million. Either way, it is still just speculation.


bp


On 4/20/2020 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


What are the treatments that are now working?  I try to be
optimistic about antivirals and convalescent plasma, but
right now they mainly have ventilators, which honestly
aren’t very successful if 70-80% of the people die.  They
keep doing that because it’s the textbook therapy for
respiratory distress, but it ain’t working.  Even if it
were working, ventilators are not a treatment, they don’t
reverse the disease, they are just a measure to get you
oxygen while your body hopefully fights the infection.  And
then you have the people experiencing kidney failure and
needing dialysis, they’re not sure if the damage is permanent.

I hope you’re right that the medical community has learned
how to treat it, but I haven’t heard the evidence for that.

Regarding a vaccine, one interesting piece of information I
read was that even if they develop a successful and safe
vaccine (many challenges including the sensitization
problem), then they have to scale up vaccine production. 
Right now most vaccines are just for each new wave of
schoolchildren, this would have to be for the entire
population.  And not in chicken eggs, it would have to be
in big vats.  And the interesting part is they could
repurpose fermentation tanks used for things like brewing beer.

*From:* AF 
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 11:20 AM
    *To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Time will tell based on whether it actually starts
declining in a meaningful way, or whether we're going to
bump along for a bit. Remember, the goal was to flatten the
curve; it wasn't necessarily going to reduce the number of
infections. I get the impression that the medical community
has learned a lot about how to actually treat it.

Let's see where we are a week from today (April 27). If we
are over 1 million infections, this may be going a while
yet. If it is under 1 million, I would be more encouraged.

bp

  


On 4/20/2020 8:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-27 Thread Jason McKemie

I'll watch it again, but it's a bit difficult now since Google took it
down. Doesn't help the case that they feel like they need to cover it up as
opposed to just tearing it apart if it is so wrong.

On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:

> It's was pitched that way but you look at what they are doing with the
> "numbers" is totally fictitious...
>
>
> On 4/27/20 7:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> If we're thinking of the same video I thought it was pretty refreshing,
> and the overall gist of the thing seemed pretty sound to me.
>
> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>
>> Yep, speculation that a couple of doctors in Kern County CA treated like
>> science fact to back up their agenda...   Ethics in Medicine is just about
>> dead, put another nail in the coffin..
>>
>> On 4/27/20 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>> Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over 1 million
>> confirmed infections in the US. Let's hope that's the tip of the iceberg,
>> and that the actual infections is in the neighborhood of 50-80 million. I
>> don't believe the number is actually that high, but I would believe
>> something around 5-8 million. Either way, it is still just speculation.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 4/20/2020 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> What are the treatments that are now working?  I try to be optimistic
>> about antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right now they mainly have
>> ventilators, which honestly aren’t very successful if 70-80% of the people
>> die.  They keep doing that because it’s the textbook therapy for
>> respiratory distress, but it ain’t working.  Even if it were working,
>> ventilators are not a treatment, they don’t reverse the disease, they are
>> just a measure to get you oxygen while your body hopefully fights the
>> infection.  And then you have the people experiencing kidney failure and
>> needing dialysis, they’re not sure if the damage is permanent.
>>
>>
>>
>> I hope you’re right that the medical community has learned how to treat
>> it, but I haven’t heard the evidence for that.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regarding a vaccine, one interesting piece of information I read was that
>> even if they develop a successful and safe vaccine (many challenges
>> including the sensitization problem), then they have to scale up vaccine
>> production.  Right now most vaccines are just for each new wave of
>> schoolchildren, this would have to be for the entire population.  And not
>> in chicken eggs, it would have to be in big vats.  And the interesting part
>> is they could repurpose fermentation tanks used for things like brewing
>> beer.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF   *On
>> Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 11:20 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>
>>
>>
>> Time will tell based on whether it actually starts declining in a
>> meaningful way, or whether we're going to bump along for a bit. Remember,
>> the goal was to flatten the curve; it wasn't necessarily going to reduce
>> the number of infections. I get the impression that the medical community
>> has learned a lot about how to actually treat it.
>>
>> Let's see where we are a week from today (April 27). If we are over 1
>> million infections, this may be going a while yet. If it is under 1
>> million, I would be more encouraged.
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/20/2020 8:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: image]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

It's was pitched that way but you look at what they are doing with the 
"numbers" is totally fictitious...



On 4/27/20 7:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
If we're thinking of the same video I thought it was pretty 
refreshing, and the overall gist of the thing seemed pretty sound to me.


On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:


Yep, speculation that a couple of doctors in Kern County CA
treated like science fact to back up their agenda...   Ethics in
Medicine is just about dead, put another nail in the coffin..

On 4/27/20 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over 1
million confirmed infections in the US. Let's hope that's the tip
of the iceberg, and that the actual infections is in the
neighborhood of 50-80 million. I don't believe the number is
actually that high, but I would believe something around 5-8
million. Either way, it is still just speculation.


bp


On 4/20/2020 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


What are the treatments that are now working?  I try to be
optimistic about antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right
now they mainly have ventilators, which honestly aren’t very
successful if 70-80% of the people die.  They keep doing that
because it’s the textbook therapy for respiratory distress, but
it ain’t working.  Even if it were working, ventilators are not
a treatment, they don’t reverse the disease, they are just a
measure to get you oxygen while your body hopefully fights the
infection.  And then you have the people experiencing kidney
failure and needing dialysis, they’re not sure if the damage is
permanent.

I hope you’re right that the medical community has learned how
to treat it, but I haven’t heard the evidence for that.

Regarding a vaccine, one interesting piece of information I read
was that even if they develop a successful and safe vaccine
(many challenges including the sensitization problem), then they
have to scale up vaccine production.  Right now most vaccines
are just for each new wave of schoolchildren, this would have to
be for the entire population.  And not in chicken eggs, it would
have to be in big vats.  And the interesting part is they could
repurpose fermentation tanks used for things like brewing beer.

*From:* AF 
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 11:20 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Time will tell based on whether it actually starts declining in
a meaningful way, or whether we're going to bump along for a
bit. Remember, the goal was to flatten the curve; it wasn't
necessarily going to reduce the number of infections. I get the
impression that the medical community has learned a lot about
how to actually treat it.

Let's see where we are a week from today (April 27). If we are
over 1 million infections, this may be going a while yet. If it
is under 1 million, I would be more encouraged.

bp

  


On 4/20/2020 8:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
wrote:

Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...

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2020-04-27 Thread Jason McKemie

If we're thinking of the same video I thought it was pretty refreshing, and
the overall gist of the thing seemed pretty sound to me.

On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:

> Yep, speculation that a couple of doctors in Kern County CA treated like
> science fact to back up their agenda...   Ethics in Medicine is just about
> dead, put another nail in the coffin..
>
> On 4/27/20 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over 1 million
> confirmed infections in the US. Let's hope that's the tip of the iceberg,
> and that the actual infections is in the neighborhood of 50-80 million. I
> don't believe the number is actually that high, but I would believe
> something around 5-8 million. Either way, it is still just speculation.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/20/2020 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> What are the treatments that are now working?  I try to be optimistic
> about antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right now they mainly have
> ventilators, which honestly aren’t very successful if 70-80% of the people
> die.  They keep doing that because it’s the textbook therapy for
> respiratory distress, but it ain’t working.  Even if it were working,
> ventilators are not a treatment, they don’t reverse the disease, they are
> just a measure to get you oxygen while your body hopefully fights the
> infection.  And then you have the people experiencing kidney failure and
> needing dialysis, they’re not sure if the damage is permanent.
>
>
>
> I hope you’re right that the medical community has learned how to treat
> it, but I haven’t heard the evidence for that.
>
>
>
> Regarding a vaccine, one interesting piece of information I read was that
> even if they develop a successful and safe vaccine (many challenges
> including the sensitization problem), then they have to scale up vaccine
> production.  Right now most vaccines are just for each new wave of
> schoolchildren, this would have to be for the entire population.  And not
> in chicken eggs, it would have to be in big vats.  And the interesting part
> is they could repurpose fermentation tanks used for things like brewing
> beer.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 11:20 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>
>
>
> Time will tell based on whether it actually starts declining in a
> meaningful way, or whether we're going to bump along for a bit. Remember,
> the goal was to flatten the curve; it wasn't necessarily going to reduce
> the number of infections. I get the impression that the medical community
> has learned a lot about how to actually treat it.
>
> Let's see where we are a week from today (April 27). If we are over 1
> million infections, this may be going a while yet. If it is under 1
> million, I would be more encouraged.
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 4/20/2020 8:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...
>
>
>
> [image: image]
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Did you watch the analysis on youtube by the peak prosperity guy?  He 
tore that study an new assh...le...


On 4/27/20 12:59 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


Yah. The one in Santa Clara was 3000 or so self-selected participants 
from some sort of promotion through Facebook. The test itself had a 
small statistical false positive ratio, but enough to really distort 
the conclusions on such a small sample (that wasn't random at all). It 
was initiated through the Stanford Hoover Institute. There was another 
one in the LA area, but I don't know as much about it.



bp


On 4/27/2020 12:54 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Some decent antibody test data has just started coming out of New 
York.  One key of course is you have to randomly select the 
participants.  I have been working rather than watching the news 
today, but I think I saw something about the percent of the 
population who seem to have been infected at some point is around 20% 
in NYC but an order of magnitude lower in upstate NY.  Which makes 
sense, and also tends to make me believe the tests are somewhat accurate.


There were a couple studies in California but the size and design of 
those studies have been questioned.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, April 27, 2020 2:25 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over 1 million 
confirmed infections in the US. Let's hope that's the tip of the 
iceberg, and that the actual infections is in the neighborhood of 
50-80 million. I don't believe the number is actually that high, but 
I would believe something around 5-8 million. Either way, it is still 
just speculation.


bp


On 4/20/2020 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

What are the treatments that are now working?  I try to be
optimistic about antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right
now they mainly have ventilators, which honestly aren’t very
successful if 70-80% of the people die.  They keep doing that
because it’s the textbook therapy for respiratory distress, but
it ain’t working.  Even if it were working, ventilators are not a
treatment, they don’t reverse the disease, they are just a
measure to get you oxygen while your body hopefully fights the
infection.  And then you have the people experiencing kidney
failure and needing dialysis, they’re not sure if the damage is
permanent.

I hope you’re right that the medical community has learned how to
treat it, but I haven’t heard the evidence for that.

Regarding a vaccine, one interesting piece of information I read
was that even if they develop a successful and safe vaccine (many
challenges including the sensitization problem), then they have
to scale up vaccine production.  Right now most vaccines are just
for each new wave of schoolchildren, this would have to be for
the entire population.  And not in chicken eggs, it would have to
be in big vats.  And the interesting part is they could repurpose
fermentation tanks used for things like brewing beer.

*From:* AF 
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 11:20 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Time will tell based on whether it actually starts declining in a
meaningful way, or whether we're going to bump along for a bit.
Remember, the goal was to flatten the curve; it wasn't
necessarily going to reduce the number of infections. I get the
impression that the medical community has learned a lot about how
to actually treat it.

Let's see where we are a week from today (April 27). If we are
over 1 million infections, this may be going a while yet. If it
is under 1 million, I would be more encouraged.

bp



  


On 4/20/2020 8:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...

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I think an actual good case study would be the crew of the TR, which was 
100% tested multiple times.   ( single time for positives )..   Not 
necessarily a good cross section of normal society but a good test of 
the virulence of this virus and the morbidity in healthy? individuals...


On 4/27/20 12:54 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Some decent antibody test data has just started coming out of New 
York.  One key of course is you have to randomly select the 
participants.  I have been working rather than watching the news 
today, but I think I saw something about the percent of the population 
who seem to have been infected at some point is around 20% in NYC but 
an order of magnitude lower in upstate NY.  Which makes sense, and 
also tends to make me believe the tests are somewhat accurate.


There were a couple studies in California but the size and design of 
those studies have been questioned.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, April 27, 2020 2:25 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over 1 million 
confirmed infections in the US. Let's hope that's the tip of the 
iceberg, and that the actual infections is in the neighborhood of 
50-80 million. I don't believe the number is actually that high, but I 
would believe something around 5-8 million. Either way, it is still 
just speculation.


bp


On 4/20/2020 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

What are the treatments that are now working?  I try to be
optimistic about antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right now
they mainly have ventilators, which honestly aren’t very
successful if 70-80% of the people die.  They keep doing that
because it’s the textbook therapy for respiratory distress, but it
ain’t working.  Even if it were working, ventilators are not a
treatment, they don’t reverse the disease, they are just a measure
to get you oxygen while your body hopefully fights the infection. 
And then you have the people experiencing kidney failure and
needing dialysis, they’re not sure if the damage is permanent.

I hope you’re right that the medical community has learned how to
treat it, but I haven’t heard the evidence for that.

Regarding a vaccine, one interesting piece of information I read
was that even if they develop a successful and safe vaccine (many
challenges including the sensitization problem), then they have to
scale up vaccine production.  Right now most vaccines are just for
each new wave of schoolchildren, this would have to be for the
entire population.  And not in chicken eggs, it would have to be
in big vats.  And the interesting part is they could repurpose
fermentation tanks used for things like brewing beer.

*From:* AF 
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 11:20 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Time will tell based on whether it actually starts declining in a
meaningful way, or whether we're going to bump along for a bit.
Remember, the goal was to flatten the curve; it wasn't necessarily
going to reduce the number of infections. I get the impression
that the medical community has learned a lot about how to actually
treat it.

Let's see where we are a week from today (April 27). If we are
over 1 million infections, this may be going a while yet. If it is
under 1 million, I would be more encouraged.

bp



  


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Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...

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Yep, speculation that a couple of doctors in Kern County CA treated like 
science fact to back up their agenda...   Ethics in Medicine is just 
about dead, put another nail in the coffin..


On 4/27/20 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over 1 million 
confirmed infections in the US. Let's hope that's the tip of the 
iceberg, and that the actual infections is in the neighborhood of 
50-80 million. I don't believe the number is actually that high, but I 
would believe something around 5-8 million. Either way, it is still 
just speculation.



bp


On 4/20/2020 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


What are the treatments that are now working?  I try to be optimistic 
about antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right now they mainly 
have ventilators, which honestly aren’t very successful if 70-80% of 
the people die.  They keep doing that because it’s the textbook 
therapy for respiratory distress, but it ain’t working.  Even if it 
were working, ventilators are not a treatment, they don’t reverse the 
disease, they are just a measure to get you oxygen while your body 
hopefully fights the infection.  And then you have the people 
experiencing kidney failure and needing dialysis, they’re not sure if 
the damage is permanent.


I hope you’re right that the medical community has learned how to 
treat it, but I haven’t heard the evidence for that.


Regarding a vaccine, one interesting piece of information I read was 
that even if they develop a successful and safe vaccine (many 
challenges including the sensitization problem), then they have to 
scale up vaccine production.  Right now most vaccines are just for 
each new wave of schoolchildren, this would have to be for the entire 
population.  And not in chicken eggs, it would have to be in big 
vats.  And the interesting part is they could repurpose fermentation 
tanks used for things like brewing beer.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 11:20 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Time will tell based on whether it actually starts declining in a 
meaningful way, or whether we're going to bump along for a bit. 
Remember, the goal was to flatten the curve; it wasn't necessarily 
going to reduce the number of infections. I get the impression that 
the medical community has learned a lot about how to actually treat it.


Let's see where we are a week from today (April 27). If we are over 1 
million infections, this may be going a while yet. If it is under 1 
million, I would be more encouraged.


bp


On 4/20/2020 8:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...

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2020-04-27 Thread Bill Prince


  
  
Yah. The one in Santa Clara was 3000 or so self-selected
  participants from some sort of promotion through Facebook. The
  test itself had a small statistical false positive ratio, but
  enough to really distort the conclusions on such a small sample
  (that wasn't random at all). It was initiated through the Stanford
  Hoover Institute. There was another one in the LA area, but I
  don't know as much about it.


bp



On 4/27/2020 12:54 PM, Ken Hohhof
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
Some decent antibody test data has just
  started coming out of New York.  One key of course is you have
  to randomly select the participants.  I have been working
  rather than watching the news today, but I think I saw
  something about the percent of the population who seem to have
  been infected at some point is around 20% in NYC but an order
  of magnitude lower in upstate NY.  Which makes sense, and also
  tends to make me believe the tests are somewhat accurate.
 
There were a couple studies in California
  but the size and design of those studies have been questioned.
 
 

  
From: AF
   On Behalf Of Bill
  Prince
  Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 2:25 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and
  optimism
  

 
Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over 1
  million confirmed infections in the US. Let's hope that's the
  tip of the iceberg, and that the actual infections is in the
  neighborhood of 50-80 million. I don't believe the number is
  actually that high, but I would believe something around 5-8
  million. Either way, it is still just speculation.
 
bp

 

  On 4/20/2020 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  What are the treatments that are now
working?  I try to be optimistic about antivirals and
convalescent plasma, but right now they mainly have
ventilators, which honestly aren’t very successful if 70-80%
of the people die.  They keep doing that because it’s the
textbook therapy for respiratory distress, but it ain’t
working.  Even if it were working, ventilators are not a
treatment, they don’t reverse the disease, they are just a
measure to get you oxygen while your body hopefully fights
the infection.  And then you have the people experiencing
kidney failure and needing dialysis, they’re not sure if the
damage is permanent.
   
  I hope you’re right that the medical
community has learned how to treat it, but I haven’t heard
the evidence for that.
   
  Regarding a vaccine, one interesting
piece of information I read was that even if they develop a
successful and safe vaccine (many challenges including the
sensitization problem), then they have to scale up vaccine
production.  Right now most vaccines are just for each new
wave of schoolchildren, this would have to be for the entire
population.  And not in chicken eggs, it would have to be in
big vats.  And the interesting part is they could repurpose
fermentation tanks used for things like brewing beer.
   
   
  

  From: AF 
On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:20 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and
optimism

  
   
  Time will tell based on whether it actually starts
declining in a meaningful way, or whether we're going to
bump along for a bit. Remember, the goal was to flatten the
curve; it wasn't necessarily going to reduce the number of
infections. I get the impression that the medical community
has learned a lot about how to actually treat it. 
  Let's see where we are a week from today (April 27). If we
are over 1 million infections, this may be going a while
yet. If it is under 1 million, I would be more encouraged.
  bp
  
   
  
On 4/20/2020 8:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:
  
  

  

  Looks a bit

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-27 Thread Ken Hohhof

Some decent antibody test data has just started coming out of New York.  One
key of course is you have to randomly select the participants.  I have been
working rather than watching the news today, but I think I saw something
about the percent of the population who seem to have been infected at some
point is around 20% in NYC but an order of magnitude lower in upstate NY.
Which makes sense, and also tends to make me believe the tests are somewhat
accurate.

 

There were a couple studies in California but the size and design of those
studies have been questioned.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 2:25 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

 

Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over 1 million
confirmed infections in the US. Let's hope that's the tip of the iceberg,
and that the actual infections is in the neighborhood of 50-80 million. I
don't believe the number is actually that high, but I would believe
something around 5-8 million. Either way, it is still just speculation.

 

bp

 

On 4/20/2020 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

What are the treatments that are now working?  I try to be optimistic about
antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right now they mainly have
ventilators, which honestly aren't very successful if 70-80% of the people
die.  They keep doing that because it's the textbook therapy for respiratory
distress, but it ain't working.  Even if it were working, ventilators are
not a treatment, they don't reverse the disease, they are just a measure to
get you oxygen while your body hopefully fights the infection.  And then you
have the people experiencing kidney failure and needing dialysis, they're
not sure if the damage is permanent.

 

I hope you're right that the medical community has learned how to treat it,
but I haven't heard the evidence for that.

 

Regarding a vaccine, one interesting piece of information I read was that
even if they develop a successful and safe vaccine (many challenges
including the sensitization problem), then they have to scale up vaccine
production.  Right now most vaccines are just for each new wave of
schoolchildren, this would have to be for the entire population.  And not in
chicken eggs, it would have to be in big vats.  And the interesting part is
they could repurpose fermentation tanks used for things like brewing beer.

 

 

From: AF  <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>  On
Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:20 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

 

Time will tell based on whether it actually starts declining in a meaningful
way, or whether we're going to bump along for a bit. Remember, the goal was
to flatten the curve; it wasn't necessarily going to reduce the number of
infections. I get the impression that the medical community has learned a
lot about how to actually treat it. 

Let's see where we are a week from today (April 27). If we are over 1
million infections, this may be going a while yet. If it is under 1 million,
I would be more encouraged.

bp

 

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Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...

 












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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-27 Thread Bill Prince


  
  
Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over 1
  million confirmed infections in the US. Let's hope that's the tip
  of the iceberg, and that the actual infections is in the
  neighborhood of 50-80 million. I don't believe the number is
  actually that high, but I would believe something around 5-8
  million. Either way, it is still just speculation.



bp



On 4/20/2020 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
What are the treatments that are now
  working?  I try to be optimistic about antivirals and
  convalescent plasma, but right now they mainly have
  ventilators, which honestly aren’t very successful if 70-80%
  of the people die.  They keep doing that because it’s the
  textbook therapy for respiratory distress, but it ain’t
  working.  Even if it were working, ventilators are not a
  treatment, they don’t reverse the disease, they are just a
  measure to get you oxygen while your body hopefully fights the
  infection.  And then you have the people experiencing kidney
  failure and needing dialysis, they’re not sure if the damage
  is permanent.
 
I hope you’re right that the medical
  community has learned how to treat it, but I haven’t heard the
  evidence for that.
 
Regarding a vaccine, one interesting piece
  of information I read was that even if they develop a
  successful and safe vaccine (many challenges including the
  sensitization problem), then they have to scale up vaccine
  production.  Right now most vaccines are just for each new
  wave of schoolchildren, this would have to be for the entire
  population.  And not in chicken eggs, it would have to be in
  big vats.  And the interesting part is they could repurpose
  fermentation tanks used for things like brewing beer.
 
 

  
From: AF
   On Behalf Of Bill
  Prince
  Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:20 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and
      optimism
  

 
Time will tell based on whether it actually starts declining
  in a meaningful way, or whether we're going to bump along for
  a bit. Remember, the goal was to flatten the curve; it wasn't
  necessarily going to reduce the number of infections. I get
  the impression that the medical community has learned a lot
  about how to actually treat it. 
Let's see where we are a week from today (April 27). If we
  are over 1 million infections, this may be going a while yet.
  If it is under 1 million, I would be more encouraged.
bp

 

  On 4/20/2020 8:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
wrote:


  

  
Looks a bit
Gaussian to me.  I hope...
  
  
 
  
  

  

  
  



  
  
  

  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-21 Thread James Howard

In that case, they actually live pretty much in the middle of that city.  The 
city hall/PD is just down the block.  My in-laws didn’t complain (they didn’t 
have any pets so didn’t have any issues).  I do agree about people moving out 
into “nature” and then complaining about it.  Just like the people who move out 
to small lot next to a pig farm and then start raising a stink (pun intended) 
about the smells.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

i was referring to james post. raining a stink and making it the city and other 
taxpayers problem for their choices

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 9:26 PM Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I don't know they were mad so much as feeling how stupid they were to have left 
the door open.

bp

On 4/20/2020 6:09 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
I never understood people that want to live near nature, but then get mad 
because nature does nature stuff

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 2:34 PM Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

One of our neighbors had a coyote waltz into their house (door was open) and 
snatch their dachshund. They were sitting at the kitchen table and were 
dumbfounded while they watched their little wiener dog disappear forever.

bp

On 4/20/2020 11:35 AM, James Howard wrote:
My in-laws’ lot backs up to a “nature preserve” in a city nearby us.  They used 
to have coyotes in the back yard all the time.  The neighbors started 
complaining to the city because all their cats were disappearing.  One neighbor 
had their black lab mauled by the coyotes and the next house down had their 
little puff-ball dog eaten by them.  They made enough stink after that to get 
the city to hire someone to come in and shoot them with tranquilizers and take 
them away (the coyotes, not the neighbors).  I don’t think they’ve seen any 
behind their house since then.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 1:22 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Coyotes around here come close to the houses and try to lure the domestic dogs 
to join their pack. I'm sure that would go well.

bp

On 4/20/2020 11:17 AM, James Howard wrote:
You could record that from my back deck most nights of the week.  Thankfully 
they don’t seem to come close to our buildings for some reason.  My neighbor 
said he got a pic of 12 of them eating an adult deer about half way down his 
driveway a couple of years ago.  We never knew if the deer was hit by a car (it 
was about 1/8 mile from the road) or if the coyotes actually killed it. Didn’t 
seem to worry  them at all that his dobermans were standing by the edge of 
their fence (buried wire) barking at them about 50’ away.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:13 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

We got this at 20:00 last night.

bp

On 4/20/2020 9:07 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Why are we mooing?

Can I cluck like a chicken instead?

On 4/20/2020 12:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Moo

From: castarritt .
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:04 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

It's looking like the doctors have come up with reasonably effective treatment 
methods, so I bet we will slowly relax social distancing in an attempt to cause 
a controlled spread that won't overwhelm the healthcare industry too much, but 
eventually cause enough people to catch the virus that we develop herd immunity.

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 10:49 AM Mike Hammett 
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
I think double or even triple bumps are inevitable  without China-level 
lock-downs or vaccines.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Chuck McCown

I love it when he eats the spider.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 20, 2020, at 8:27 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> 
> yes, her. I love that lady. I think she has a collection of solutions in 
> vials just in case. like in 12 monkeys
> 
>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 9:24 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>> Deborah Birx.
>> 
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/20/2020 6:07 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> > lady with fauci 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

i was referring to james post. raining a stink and making it the city and
other taxpayers problem for their choices

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 9:26 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> I don't know they were mad so much as feeling how stupid they were to have
> left the door open.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/20/2020 6:09 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> I never understood people that want to live near nature, but then get mad
> because nature does nature stuff
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 2:34 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> One of our neighbors had a coyote waltz into their house (door was open)
>> and snatch their dachshund. They were sitting at the kitchen table and were
>> dumbfounded while they watched their little wiener dog disappear forever.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 4/20/2020 11:35 AM, James Howard wrote:
>>
>> My in-laws’ lot backs up to a “nature preserve” in a city nearby us.
>> They used to have coyotes in the back yard all the time.  The neighbors
>> started complaining to the city because all their cats were disappearing.
>> One neighbor had their black lab mauled by the coyotes and the next house
>> down had their little puff-ball dog eaten by them.  They made enough stink
>> after that to get the city to hire someone to come in and shoot them with
>> tranquilizers and take them away (the coyotes, not the neighbors).  I don’t
>> think they’ve seen any behind their house since then.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 1:22 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>
>>
>>
>> Coyotes around here come close to the houses and try to lure the domestic
>> dogs to join their pack. I'm sure that would go well.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/20/2020 11:17 AM, James Howard wrote:
>>
>> You could record that from my back deck most nights of the week.
>> Thankfully they don’t seem to come close to our buildings for some reason.
>> My neighbor said he got a pic of 12 of them eating an adult deer about half
>> way down his driveway a couple of years ago.  We never knew if the deer was
>> hit by a car (it was about 1/8 mile from the road) or if the coyotes
>> actually killed it. Didn’t seem to worry  them at all that his dobermans
>> were standing by the edge of their fence (buried wire) barking at them
>> about 50’ away.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 11:13 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>
>>
>>
>> We got this at 20:00 last night.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/20/2020 9:07 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>
>> Why are we mooing?
>>
>> Can I cluck like a chicken instead?
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/20/2020 12:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> Moo
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* castarritt .
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 10:04 AM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>
>>
>>
>> It's looking like the doctors have come up with reasonably effective
>> treatment methods, so I bet we will slowly relax social distancing in an
>> attempt to cause a controlled spread that won't overwhelm the healthcare
>> industry too much, but eventually cause enough people to catch the virus
>> that we develop herd immunity.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 10:49 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>> I think double or even triple bumps are inevitable  without
>> China-level lock-downs or vaccines.
>>
>>
>>
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In their defense, it seems they are testing the entire prison population, 
whereas other states are only testing those who show symptoms.  So the case 
rate at prisons in other states may be understated.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 9:22 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

the problem is prison guards get around, they spend their free time drinking in 
groups, seeking cocaine and sexing up other peoples wives, theyre one of the 
worst populations to have an infectious disease

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 8:44 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

1900 inmates and 150 staff at the prison in Marion, Ohio have tested positive.  
That’s 3/4 of the inmates.  That herd is gonna have immunity, but it may be a 
smaller herd.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/20/838943211/73-of-inmates-at-an-ohio-prison-test-positive-for-coronavirus

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 8:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
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they went through three seasons of it, the lady with fauci even talked about it 
a couple weeks ago. takes three seasons for the herd to have sufficient natural 
immunity. 

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 7:21 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

The main curves were similar to what we are seeing.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 20, 2020, at 6:02 PM, Robert mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> > wrote:

 And it went from winter of 1917 through summer in 1918 with summer 1917 
almost dying away due to better results in warm weather than Covid-19.  The 
burst back in 1918 was apparently pretty nasty..

On 4/20/20 4:51 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>  wrote:

Just look at the Spanish flu curves.  They had no vaccine.  They conquered it 
by quarantine and social distancing.  

From: Robert 

Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 5:37 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Then you don't understand social distancing and herd immunity.   This is just 
moving the infection rate out into the future spread over a much longer range.  
 We still get infected to 70-80% before herd immunity kicks in about 2-3 months 
_before_ the current schedule of vaccine availability.   1/2 over will be 3-4 
months from now.  Now if someone comes out with a vaccine, different ball game. 
  Oh and the ebola anti-viral...  Gilead is testing with the best case possible 
patients.   And results so far don't show anything better with those cases than 
leaving the patients alone.   Sounds like Gilead is doing everything they can 
to make it sound like their stuff is a winner without actually proving it...

On 4/20/20 8:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>  wrote:

I look at the curve and say we are half over.  

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 9:33 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

That probably is (modestly) good news.  But how anyone can look at that curve 
and say it’s over, I don’t know.  That curve is probably dominated by the early 
hit densely populated areas like New York, where they are still only slightly 
off the peak death rate and are still piling bodies in refrigerated trucks at 
hospitals.  And the nursing homes and prisons.  It hasn’t even begun to sweep 
over the less dense areas with no hospitals, that will be the long tail of the 
curve.  Then we find out if we screwed up and brought a big second wave.

Very worrisome is the healthcare workers getting infected and dying, dealing 
with patients dying on every shift, worrying about infecting their families.  
If this is still coming in waves 1-2 years from now, we aren’t going to have 
any doctors and nurses.  Who would do that job long term, even if they don’t 
get sick and die?  As various people have pointed out, this may be a war, but 
even soldiers aren’t asked to put their family’s lives at risk.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> 
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:21 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism


  
  
When the orange bluffmeister is talking I watch as her eyelids
  flutter. Interesting to watch...

bp



On 4/20/2020 7:26 PM, Steve Jones
  wrote:


  
  yes, her. I love that lady. I think she has a
collection of solutions in vials just in case. like in 12
monkeys
  
  
On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 9:24
  PM Bill Prince  wrote:

Deborah
  Birx.
  
  
  bp
  
  
  On 4/20/2020 6:07 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
  > lady with fauci 
  
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On 60 Minutes last night they were talking about the infection
  rate inside a NY prison (they had been talking about Rikers, but
  I'm not certain in retrospect that it was specifically Rikers).
  They said the infection rate among guards was 2:1 versus
  prisoners. They also mentioned that Rikers was not technically a
  "prison", but a jail. That doesn't really affect the statistic
  though.


bp



On 4/20/2020 7:21 PM, Steve Jones
  wrote:


  
  the problem is prison guards get around, they spend
their free time drinking in groups, seeking cocaine and sexing
up other peoples wives, theyre one of the worst populations to
have an infectious disease
  
  
On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 8:44
  PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:


  

  1900 inmates and 150 staff at the
prison in Marion, Ohio have tested positive.  That’s 3/4
of the inmates.  That herd is gonna have immunity, but
it may be a smaller herd.
   
  https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/20/838943211/73-of-inmates-at-an-ohio-prison-test-positive-for-coronavirus
   
   
  
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 8:07 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
              Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and
  optimism
  
   
  
they went through three seasons of
  it, the lady with fauci even talked about it a couple
  weeks ago. takes three seasons for the herd to have
  sufficient natural immunity. 
  
   
  

  On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 7:21 PM
Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
wrote:


  
The
  main curves were similar to what we are seeing.

  Sent from my iPhone


  

  
  
On
  Apr 20, 2020, at 6:02 PM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com>
  wrote:
  


  

  And it went
  from winter of 1917 through summer in 1918
  with summer 1917 almost dying away due to
  better results in warm weather than
  Covid-19.  The burst back in 1918 was
  apparently pretty nasty..

  On 4/20/20 4:51 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
wrote:


  

  
Just
look at the Spanish flu curves. 
They had no vaccine.  They conquered
it by quarantine and social
distancing.  
  
  

  
 
  
  

  From: Robert



  Sent:
  Monday, April 20, 2020 5:37 PM


  To: af@af.afmug.com



  Subject: Re:
              [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope
  and optimism

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism


  
  
I don't know they were mad so much as feeling how stupid they
  were to have left the door open.

bp



On 4/20/2020 6:09 PM, Steve Jones
  wrote:


  
  I never understood people that want to live near
nature, but then get mad because nature does nature stuff
  
  
On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 2:34
  PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:


  
One of our neighbors had a coyote waltz into their house
  (door was open) and snatch their dachshund. They were
  sitting at the kitchen table and were dumbfounded while
  they watched their little wiener dog disappear forever.

bp



On 4/20/2020 11:35 AM, James Howard wrote:


  
My
in-laws’ lot backs up to a “nature preserve” in a
city nearby us.  They used to have coyotes in the
back yard all the time.  The neighbors started
complaining to the city because all their cats were
disappearing.  One neighbor had their black lab
mauled by the coyotes and the next house down had
their little puff-ball dog eaten by them.  They made
enough stink after that to get the city to hire
someone to come in and shoot them with tranquilizers
and take them away (the coyotes, not the
neighbors).  I don’t think they’ve seen any behind
their house since then.
 

  
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com]
On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 1:22 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of
        hope and optimism
  

 
Coyotes around here come close to the houses and try
  to lure the domestic dogs to join their pack. I'm sure
  that would go well.
 
bp

 

  On 4/20/2020 11:17 AM, James
Howard wrote:


  You
  could record that from my back deck most nights of
  the week.  Thankfully they don’t seem to come
  close to our buildings for some reason.  My
  neighbor said he got a pic of 12 of them eating an
  adult deer about half way down his driveway a
  couple of years ago.  We never knew if the deer
  was hit by a car (it was about 1/8 mile from the
  road) or if the coyotes actually killed it. Didn’t
  seem to worry  them at all that his dobermans were
  standing by the edge of their fence (buried wire)
  barking at them about 50’ away.
   
  

  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com]
  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:13 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of
          hope and optimism

  
   
  We got this at 20:00 last night.
   
  bp
  
   
  
On 4/20/2020 9:07 AM, Adam
  Moffett wrote:
  
  
Why are we mooing?
Can I cluck like a chicken instead?
 

  On 4/20/2020 12:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
wrote:


  

  
Moo
  
  

  
 
  
  

  From:
  castarritt . 


  Sent:
  Monday, April 20, 2020 10:04 AM

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

yes, her. I love that lady. I think she has a collection of solutions in
vials just in case. like in 12 monkeys

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 9:24 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Deborah Birx.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 4/20/2020 6:07 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
> > lady with fauci
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Deborah Birx.


bp


On 4/20/2020 6:07 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
lady with fauci 


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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

the problem is prison guards get around, they spend their free time
drinking in groups, seeking cocaine and sexing up other peoples wives,
theyre one of the worst populations to have an infectious disease

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 8:44 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> 1900 inmates and 150 staff at the prison in Marion, Ohio have tested
> positive.  That’s 3/4 of the inmates.  That herd is gonna have immunity,
> but it may be a smaller herd.
>
>
>
>
> https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/20/838943211/73-of-inmates-at-an-ohio-prison-test-positive-for-coronavirus
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 8:07 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>
>
>
> they went through three seasons of it, the lady with fauci even talked
> about it a couple weeks ago. takes three seasons for the herd to have
> sufficient natural immunity.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 7:21 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> The main curves were similar to what we are seeing.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Apr 20, 2020, at 6:02 PM, Robert  wrote:
>
>  And it went from winter of 1917 through summer in 1918 with summer 1917
> almost dying away due to better results in warm weather than Covid-19.  The
> burst back in 1918 was apparently pretty nasty..
>
> On 4/20/20 4:51 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Just look at the Spanish flu curves.  They had no vaccine.  They conquered
> it by quarantine and social distancing.
>
>
>
> *From:* Robert
>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 5:37 PM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>
>
>
> Then you don't understand social distancing and herd immunity.   This is
> just moving the infection rate out into the future spread over a much
> longer range.   We still get infected to 70-80% before herd immunity kicks
> in about 2-3 months _before_ the current schedule of vaccine
> availability.   1/2 over will be 3-4 months from now.  Now if someone comes
> out with a vaccine, different ball game.   Oh and the ebola anti-viral...
> Gilead is testing with the best case possible patients.   And results so
> far don't show anything better with those cases than leaving the patients
> alone.   Sounds like Gilead is doing everything they can to make it sound
> like their stuff is a winner without actually proving it...
>
> On 4/20/20 8:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I look at the curve and say we are half over.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 9:33 AM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>
>
>
> That probably is (modestly) good news.  But how anyone can look at that
> curve and say it’s over, I don’t know.  That curve is probably dominated by
> the early hit densely populated areas like New York, where they are still
> only slightly off the peak death rate and are still piling bodies in
> refrigerated trucks at hospitals.  And the nursing homes and prisons.  It
> hasn’t even begun to sweep over the less dense areas with no hospitals,
> that will be the long tail of the curve.  Then we find out if we screwed up
> and brought a big second wave.
>
>
>
> Very worrisome is the healthcare workers getting infected and dying,
> dealing with patients dying on every shift, worrying about infecting their
> families.  If this is still coming in waves 1-2 years from now, we aren’t
> going to have any doctors and nurses.  Who would do that job long term,
> even if they don’t get sick and die?  As various people have pointed out,
> this may be a war, but even soldiers aren’t asked to put their family’s
> lives at risk.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  *On
> Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 10:21 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>
>
>
> Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...
>
>
>
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1900 inmates and 150 staff at the prison in Marion, Ohio have tested positive.  
That’s 3/4 of the inmates.  That herd is gonna have immunity, but it may be a 
smaller herd.

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/20/838943211/73-of-inmates-at-an-ohio-prison-test-positive-for-coronavirus

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 8:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

 

they went through three seasons of it, the lady with fauci even talked about it 
a couple weeks ago. takes three seasons for the herd to have sufficient natural 
immunity. 

 

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 7:21 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

The main curves were similar to what we are seeing.

Sent from my iPhone





On Apr 20, 2020, at 6:02 PM, Robert mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> > wrote:

 And it went from winter of 1917 through summer in 1918 with summer 1917 
almost dying away due to better results in warm weather than Covid-19.  The 
burst back in 1918 was apparently pretty nasty..

On 4/20/20 4:51 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>  wrote:

Just look at the Spanish flu curves.  They had no vaccine.  They conquered it 
by quarantine and social distancing.  

 

From: Robert 

Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 5:37 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

 

Then you don't understand social distancing and herd immunity.   This is just 
moving the infection rate out into the future spread over a much longer range.  
 We still get infected to 70-80% before herd immunity kicks in about 2-3 months 
_before_ the current schedule of vaccine availability.   1/2 over will be 3-4 
months from now.  Now if someone comes out with a vaccine, different ball game. 
  Oh and the ebola anti-viral...  Gilead is testing with the best case possible 
patients.   And results so far don't show anything better with those cases than 
leaving the patients alone.   Sounds like Gilead is doing everything they can 
to make it sound like their stuff is a winner without actually proving it...

On 4/20/20 8:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>  wrote:

I look at the curve and say we are half over.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 9:33 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

 

That probably is (modestly) good news.  But how anyone can look at that curve 
and say it’s over, I don’t know.  That curve is probably dominated by the early 
hit densely populated areas like New York, where they are still only slightly 
off the peak death rate and are still piling bodies in refrigerated trucks at 
hospitals.  And the nursing homes and prisons.  It hasn’t even begun to sweep 
over the less dense areas with no hospitals, that will be the long tail of the 
curve.  Then we find out if we screwed up and brought a big second wave.

 

Very worrisome is the healthcare workers getting infected and dying, dealing 
with patients dying on every shift, worrying about infecting their families.  
If this is still coming in waves 1-2 years from now, we aren’t going to have 
any doctors and nurses.  Who would do that job long term, even if they don’t 
get sick and die?  As various people have pointed out, this may be a war, but 
even soldiers aren’t asked to put their family’s lives at risk.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> 
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:21 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

 

Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...

 




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I never understood people that want to live near nature, but then get mad
because nature does nature stuff

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 2:34 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> One of our neighbors had a coyote waltz into their house (door was open)
> and snatch their dachshund. They were sitting at the kitchen table and were
> dumbfounded while they watched their little wiener dog disappear forever.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/20/2020 11:35 AM, James Howard wrote:
>
> My in-laws’ lot backs up to a “nature preserve” in a city nearby us.  They
> used to have coyotes in the back yard all the time.  The neighbors started
> complaining to the city because all their cats were disappearing.  One
> neighbor had their black lab mauled by the coyotes and the next house down
> had their little puff-ball dog eaten by them.  They made enough stink after
> that to get the city to hire someone to come in and shoot them with
> tranquilizers and take them away (the coyotes, not the neighbors).  I don’t
> think they’ve seen any behind their house since then.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 1:22 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>
>
>
> Coyotes around here come close to the houses and try to lure the domestic
> dogs to join their pack. I'm sure that would go well.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 4/20/2020 11:17 AM, James Howard wrote:
>
> You could record that from my back deck most nights of the week.
> Thankfully they don’t seem to come close to our buildings for some reason.
> My neighbor said he got a pic of 12 of them eating an adult deer about half
> way down his driveway a couple of years ago.  We never knew if the deer was
> hit by a car (it was about 1/8 mile from the road) or if the coyotes
> actually killed it. Didn’t seem to worry  them at all that his dobermans
> were standing by the edge of their fence (buried wire) barking at them
> about 50’ away.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 11:13 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>
>
>
> We got this at 20:00 last night.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 4/20/2020 9:07 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> Why are we mooing?
>
> Can I cluck like a chicken instead?
>
>
>
> On 4/20/2020 12:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Moo
>
>
>
> *From:* castarritt .
>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 10:04 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>
>
>
> It's looking like the doctors have come up with reasonably effective
> treatment methods, so I bet we will slowly relax social distancing in an
> attempt to cause a controlled spread that won't overwhelm the healthcare
> industry too much, but eventually cause enough people to catch the virus
> that we develop herd immunity.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 10:49 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> I think double or even triple bumps are inevitable  without
> China-level lock-downs or vaccines.
>
>
>
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> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Monday, April 20, 2020 10:44:50 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>
> Unless we relax and get a double bump.
>
>
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 9:44 AM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>
>
>
> I look at the curve and say we are half over.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 9:33 AM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
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> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

they went through three seasons of it, the lady with fauci even talked
about it a couple weeks ago. takes three seasons for the herd to have
sufficient natural immunity.

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 7:21 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> The main curves were similar to what we are seeing.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 20, 2020, at 6:02 PM, Robert  wrote:
>
>  And it went from winter of 1917 through summer in 1918 with summer 1917
> almost dying away due to better results in warm weather than Covid-19.  The
> burst back in 1918 was apparently pretty nasty..
>
> On 4/20/20 4:51 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Just look at the Spanish flu curves.  They had no vaccine.  They conquered
> it by quarantine and social distancing.
>
> *From:* Robert
> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 5:37 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>
> Then you don't understand social distancing and herd immunity.   This is
> just moving the infection rate out into the future spread over a much
> longer range.   We still get infected to 70-80% before herd immunity kicks
> in about 2-3 months _before_ the current schedule of vaccine
> availability.   1/2 over will be 3-4 months from now.  Now if someone comes
> out with a vaccine, different ball game.   Oh and the ebola anti-viral...
> Gilead is testing with the best case possible patients.   And results so
> far don't show anything better with those cases than leaving the patients
> alone.   Sounds like Gilead is doing everything they can to make it sound
> like their stuff is a winner without actually proving it...
>
> On 4/20/20 8:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I look at the curve and say we are half over.
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 9:33 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>
>
> That probably is (modestly) good news.  But how anyone can look at that
> curve and say it’s over, I don’t know.  That curve is probably dominated by
> the early hit densely populated areas like New York, where they are still
> only slightly off the peak death rate and are still piling bodies in
> refrigerated trucks at hospitals.  And the nursing homes and prisons.  It
> hasn’t even begun to sweep over the less dense areas with no hospitals,
> that will be the long tail of the curve.  Then we find out if we screwed up
> and brought a big second wave.
>
>
>
> Very worrisome is the healthcare workers getting infected and dying,
> dealing with patients dying on every shift, worrying about infecting their
> families.  If this is still coming in waves 1-2 years from now, we aren’t
> going to have any doctors and nurses.  Who would do that job long term,
> even if they don’t get sick and die?  As various people have pointed out,
> this may be a war, but even soldiers aren’t asked to put their family’s
> lives at risk.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 10:21 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>
>
>
> Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...
>
>
>
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2020-04-20 Thread Robert Andrews

President of J&J on today show I think a week ago ( time is getting very
weird these days )

On 04/20/2020 05:03 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Not that it matters, but where does 2 months come from?

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/1-billion-bet-pharma-giant-and-us-government-team-all-out-coronavirus-vaccine-push

(And I hope someone is setting up to manufacture 1 billion syringes.)

*From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Robert
*Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 6:44 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

J&J is proclaiming LOUDLY that they will have 1 Billion doses of vaccine
in 2 months. But it won't be available to administer until testing
completes in January. So IF that vaccine completes testing
_successfully_ ( big IF ). They will be ready for world innoculation (
and they say at no profit ) in January.

On 4/20/20 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

What are the treatments that are now working? I try to be
optimistic about antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right now
they mainly have ventilators, which honestly aren’t very successful
if 70-80% of the people die. They keep doing that because it’s the
textbook therapy for respiratory distress, but it ain’t working.
Even if it were working, ventilators are not a treatment, they don’t

reverse the disease, they are just a measure to get you oxygen while
your body hopefully fights the infection. And then you have the
people experiencing kidney failure and needing dialysis, they’re not
sure if the damage is permanent.

I hope you’re right that the medical community has learned how to
treat it, but I haven’t heard the evidence for that.

Regarding a vaccine, one interesting piece of information I read was
that even if they develop a successful and safe vaccine (many
challenges including the sensitization problem), then they have to
scale up vaccine production. Right now most vaccines are just for
each new wave of schoolchildren, this would have to be for the
entire population. And not in chicken eggs, it would have to be in
big vats. And the interesting part is they could repurpose
fermentation tanks used for things like brewing beer.

*From:* AF
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 11:20 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Time will tell based on whether it actually starts declining in a
meaningful way, or whether we're going to bump along for a bit.
Remember, the goal was to flatten the curve; it wasn't necessarily
going to reduce the number of infections. I get the impression that
the medical community has learned a lot about how to actually treat it.

Let's see where we are a week from today (April 27). If we are over
1 million infections, this may be going a while yet. If it is under
1 million, I would be more encouraged.

On 4/20/2020 8:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Looks a bit Gaussian to me. I hope...

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2020-04-20 Thread Chuck McCown

The main curves were similar to what we are seeing.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 20, 2020, at 6:02 PM, Robert  wrote:
> 
>  And it went from winter of 1917 through summer in 1918 with summer 1917 
> almost dying away due to better results in warm weather than Covid-19.  The 
> burst back in 1918 was apparently pretty nasty..
> 
> On 4/20/20 4:51 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> Just look at the Spanish flu curves.  They had no vaccine.  They conquered 
>> it by quarantine and social distancing. 
>>  
>> From: Robert
>> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 5:37 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>  
>> Then you don't understand social distancing and herd immunity.   This is 
>> just moving the infection rate out into the future spread over a much longer 
>> range.   We still get infected to 70-80% before herd immunity kicks in about 
>> 2-3 months _before_ the current schedule of vaccine availability.   1/2 over 
>> will be 3-4 months from now.  Now if someone comes out with a vaccine, 
>> different ball game.   Oh and the ebola anti-viral...  Gilead is testing 
>> with the best case possible patients.   And results so far don't show 
>> anything better with those cases than leaving the patients alone.   Sounds 
>> like Gilead is doing everything they can to make it sound like their stuff 
>> is a winner without actually proving it...
>> 
>> On 4/20/20 8:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>> I look at the curve and say we are half over. 
>>>  
>>> From: Ken Hohhof
>>> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 9:33 AM
>>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>>  
>>> That probably is (modestly) good news.  But how anyone can look at that 
>>> curve and say it’s over, I don’t know.  That curve is probably dominated by 
>>> the early hit densely populated areas like New York, where they are still 
>>> only slightly off the peak death rate and are still piling bodies in 
>>> refrigerated trucks at hospitals.  And the nursing homes and prisons.  It 
>>> hasn’t even begun to sweep over the less dense areas with no hospitals, 
>>> that will be the long tail of the curve.  Then we find out if we screwed up 
>>> and brought a big second wave.
>>>  
>>> Very worrisome is the healthcare workers getting infected and dying, 
>>> dealing with patients dying on every shift, worrying about infecting their 
>>> families.  If this is still coming in waves 1-2 years from now, we aren’t 
>>> going to have any doctors and nurses.  Who would do that job long term, 
>>> even if they don’t get sick and die?  As various people have pointed out, 
>>> this may be a war, but even soldiers aren’t asked to put their family’s 
>>> lives at risk.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:21 AM
>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>>  
>>> Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...
>>>  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Not that it matters, but where does 2 months come from?

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/1-billion-bet-pharma-giant-and-us-go
vernment-team-all-out-coronavirus-vaccine-push

 

(And I hope someone is setting up to manufacture 1 billion syringes.)

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 6:44 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

 

J&J is proclaiming LOUDLY that they will have 1 Billion doses of vaccine in
2 months.  But it won't be available to administer until testing completes
in January.  So IF that vaccine completes testing _successfully_ ( big IF ).
They will be ready for world innoculation ( and they say at no profit ) in
January.

On 4/20/20 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

What are the treatments that are now working?  I try to be optimistic about
antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right now they mainly have
ventilators, which honestly aren't very successful if 70-80% of the people
die.  They keep doing that because it's the textbook therapy for respiratory
distress, but it ain't working.  Even if it were working, ventilators are
not a treatment, they don't reverse the disease, they are just a measure to
get you oxygen while your body hopefully fights the infection.  And then you
have the people experiencing kidney failure and needing dialysis, they're
not sure if the damage is permanent.

 

I hope you're right that the medical community has learned how to treat it,
but I haven't heard the evidence for that.

 

Regarding a vaccine, one interesting piece of information I read was that
even if they develop a successful and safe vaccine (many challenges
including the sensitization problem), then they have to scale up vaccine
production.  Right now most vaccines are just for each new wave of
schoolchildren, this would have to be for the entire population.  And not in
chicken eggs, it would have to be in big vats.  And the interesting part is
they could repurpose fermentation tanks used for things like brewing beer.

 

 

From: AF  <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>  On
Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:20 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

 

Time will tell based on whether it actually starts declining in a meaningful
way, or whether we're going to bump along for a bit. Remember, the goal was
to flatten the curve; it wasn't necessarily going to reduce the number of
infections. I get the impression that the medical community has learned a
lot about how to actually treat it. 

Let's see where we are a week from today (April 27). If we are over 1
million infections, this may be going a while yet. If it is under 1 million,
I would be more encouraged.

bp

 

On 4/20/2020 8:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>  wrote:

Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...

 












 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

And it went from winter of 1917 through summer in 1918 with summer 1917 
almost dying away due to better results in warm weather than Covid-19.  
The burst back in 1918 was apparently pretty nasty..


On 4/20/20 4:51 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Just look at the Spanish flu curves.  They had no vaccine.  They 
conquered it by quarantine and social distancing.

*From:* Robert
*Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 5:37 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
Then you don't understand social distancing and herd immunity.   This 
is just moving the infection rate out into the future spread over a 
much longer range.   We still get infected to 70-80% before herd 
immunity kicks in about 2-3 months _before_ the current schedule of 
vaccine availability.   1/2 over will be 3-4 months from now.  Now if 
someone comes out with a vaccine, different ball game.   Oh and the 
ebola anti-viral...  Gilead is testing with the best case possible 
patients.   And results so far don't show anything better with those 
cases than leaving the patients alone.   Sounds like Gilead is doing 
everything they can to make it sound like their stuff is a winner 
without actually proving it...


On 4/20/20 8:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I look at the curve and say we are half over.
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 9:33 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

That probably is (modestly) good news.  But how anyone can look at 
that curve and say it’s over, I don’t know.  That curve is probably 
dominated by the early hit densely populated areas like New York, 
where they are still only slightly off the peak death rate and are 
still piling bodies in refrigerated trucks at hospitals.  And the 
nursing homes and prisons.  It hasn’t even begun to sweep over the 
less dense areas with no hospitals, that will be the long tail of the 
curve.  Then we find out if we screwed up and brought a big second wave.


Very worrisome is the healthcare workers getting infected and dying, 
dealing with patients dying on every shift, worrying about infecting 
their families.  If this is still coming in waves 1-2 years from now, 
we aren’t going to have any doctors and nurses.  Who would do that 
job long term, even if they don’t get sick and die?  As various 
people have pointed out, this may be a war, but even soldiers aren’t 
asked to put their family’s lives at risk.


*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 10:21 AM
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*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

We've had a couple of recent cases of them jumping 6 foot fences and 
making off with small dogs.  People are putting up the rollers on the 
edges of the fences to prevent that.


On 4/20/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


One of our neighbors had a coyote waltz into their house (door was 
open) and snatch their dachshund. They were sitting at the kitchen 
table and were dumbfounded while they watched their little wiener dog 
disappear forever.


bp


On 4/20/2020 11:35 AM, James Howard wrote:


My in-laws’ lot backs up to a “nature preserve” in a city nearby us.  
They used to have coyotes in the back yard all the time.  The 
neighbors started complaining to the city because all their cats were 
disappearing.  One neighbor had their black lab mauled by the coyotes 
and the next house down had their little puff-ball dog eaten by them. 
They made enough stink after that to get the city to hire someone to 
come in and shoot them with tranquilizers and take them away (the 
coyotes, not the neighbors).  I don’t think they’ve seen any behind 
their house since then.


*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 1:22 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Coyotes around here come close to the houses and try to lure the 
domestic dogs to join their pack. I'm sure that would go well.


bp


On 4/20/2020 11:17 AM, James Howard wrote:

You could record that from my back deck most nights of the week.
 Thankfully they don’t seem to come close to our buildings for
some reason.  My neighbor said he got a pic of 12 of them eating
an adult deer about half way down his driveway a couple of years
ago.  We never knew if the deer was hit by a car (it was about
1/8 mile from the road) or if the coyotes actually killed it.
Didn’t seem to worry  them at all that his dobermans were
standing by the edge of their fence (buried wire) barking at them
about 50’ away.

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 11:13 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

We got this at 20:00 last night.

bp



  


On 4/20/2020 9:07 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Why are we mooing?

Can I cluck like a chicken instead?

On 4/20/2020 12:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Moo

*From:*castarritt .

*Sent:*Monday, April 20, 2020 10:04 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

It's looking like the doctors have come up with
reasonably effective treatment methods, so I bet we will
slowly relax social distancing in an attempt to cause a
controlled spread that won't overwhelm the healthcare
industry too much, but eventually cause enough people to
catch the virus that we develop herd immunity.

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 10:49 AM Mike Hammett
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

I think double or even triple bumps are
inevitable  without China-level lock-downs or
vaccines.



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*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
        mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
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*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and
optimism

Unless we relax and get a double bump.

*From:*ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>

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*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

They will send a female in heat around the male dogs to get them to go 
out after the female and then kill the dog.   More than a couple around 
here.


On 4/20/20 11:22 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


Coyotes around here come close to the houses and try to lure the 
domestic dogs to join their pack. I'm sure that would go well.



bp


On 4/20/2020 11:17 AM, James Howard wrote:


You could record that from my back deck most nights of the week. 
 Thankfully they don’t seem to come close to our buildings for some 
reason.  My neighbor said he got a pic of 12 of them eating an adult 
deer about half way down his driveway a couple of years ago.  We 
never knew if the deer was hit by a car (it was about 1/8 mile from 
the road) or if the coyotes actually killed it. Didn’t seem to worry 
 them at all that his dobermans were standing by the edge of their 
fence (buried wire) barking at them about 50’ away.


*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 11:13 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

We got this at 20:00 last night.

bp


On 4/20/2020 9:07 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Why are we mooing?

Can I cluck like a chicken instead?

On 4/20/2020 12:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
wrote:

Moo

*From:*castarritt .

*Sent:*Monday, April 20, 2020 10:04 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

It's looking like the doctors have come up with reasonably
effective treatment methods, so I bet we will slowly relax
social distancing in an attempt to cause a controlled spread
that won't overwhelm the healthcare industry too much, but
eventually cause enough people to catch the virus that we
develop herd immunity.

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 10:49 AM Mike Hammett
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

I think double or even triple bumps are inevitable 
without China-level lock-downs or vaccines.



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*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
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*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Unless we relax and get a double bump.

*From:*ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>

    *Sent:*Monday, April 20, 2020 9:44 AM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

I look at the curve and say we are half over.

*From:*Ken Hohhof

        *Sent:*Monday, April 20, 2020 9:33 AM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

That probably is (modestly) good news.  But how anyone
can look at that curve and say it’s over, I don’t know. 
That curve is probably dominated by the early hit densely
populated areas like New York, where they are still only
slightly off the peak death rate and are still piling
bodies in refrigerated trucks at hospitals.  And the
nursing homes and prisons.  It hasn’t even begun to sweep
over the less dense areas with no hospitals, that will be
the long tail of the curve.  Then we find out if we
screwed up and brought a big second wave.

Very worrisome is the healthcare workers getting infected
and dying, dealing with patients dying on every shift,
worrying about infecting their families.  If this is
still coming in waves 1-2 years from now, we aren’t going
to have any doctors and nurses.  Who would do that job
long term, even if they don’t get sick and die?  As
various people have pointed o

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

The Indians ( big continent ones ) have already said they have a 
mutation recorded that is less lethal..  But it hasn't been peer 
reviewed.  So it's yet another twitter rumor level without that..


On 4/20/20 11:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Maybe each mutation will make the virus less deadly.  Ever see the 
movie Multiplicity?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplicity_(film)

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It mutating and soon im sure the mutation could have the same affect 
as the walking dead.



On 4/20/20 11:08 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

I think fall is overly optimistic. That would barely be enough to
get through early testing. Early 2021 is my bet for the earliest
availability of an actual vaccine.

bp



On 4/20/2020 9:05 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Hopefully we will have a vaccine by fall.  Hopefully they will
have sorted out what treatments work by July. Hopefully lotsa
good testing by June.

But baseball seems to be totally f*cked.  Hopefully not
college football too...

*From:*Mike Hammett

*Sent:*Monday, April 20, 2020 9:49 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

I think double or even triple bumps are inevitable 
without China-level lock-downs or vaccines.



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Unless we relax and get a double bump.

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I look at the curve and say we are half over.

*From:*Ken Hohhof

    *Sent:*Monday, April 20, 2020 9:33 AM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

That probably is (modestly) good news.  But how anyone can
look at that curve and say it’s over, I don’t know.  That
curve is probably dominated by the early hit densely populated
areas like New York, where they are still only slightly off
the peak death rate and are still piling bodies in
refrigerated trucks at hospitals.  And the nursing homes and
prisons.  It hasn’t even begun to sweep over the less dense
areas with no hospitals, that will be the long tail of the
curve.  Then we find out if we screwed up and brought a big
second wave.

Very worrisome is the healthcare workers getting infected and
dying, dealing with patients dying on every shift, worrying
about infecting their families.  If this is still coming in
waves 1-2 years from now, we aren’t going to have any doctors
and nurses.  Who would do that job long term, even if they
don’t get sick and die?  As various people have pointed out,
this may be a war, but even soldiers aren’t asked to put their
family’s lives at risk.

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<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
    *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 10:21 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Just look at the Spanish flu curves.  They had no vaccine.  They conquered it 
by quarantine and social distancing.  

From: Robert 
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 5:37 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Then you don't understand social distancing and herd immunity.   This is just 
moving the infection rate out into the future spread over a much longer range.  
 We still get infected to 70-80% before herd immunity kicks in about 2-3 months 
_before_ the current schedule of vaccine availability.   1/2 over will be 3-4 
months from now.  Now if someone comes out with a vaccine, different ball game. 
  Oh and the ebola anti-viral...  Gilead is testing with the best case possible 
patients.   And results so far don't show anything better with those cases than 
leaving the patients alone.   Sounds like Gilead is doing everything they can 
to make it sound like their stuff is a winner without actually proving it...

On 4/20/20 8:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I look at the curve and say we are half over.  

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 9:33 AM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

  That probably is (modestly) good news.  But how anyone can look at that curve 
and say it’s over, I don’t know.  That curve is probably dominated by the early 
hit densely populated areas like New York, where they are still only slightly 
off the peak death rate and are still piling bodies in refrigerated trucks at 
hospitals.  And the nursing homes and prisons.  It hasn’t even begun to sweep 
over the less dense areas with no hospitals, that will be the long tail of the 
curve.  Then we find out if we screwed up and brought a big second wave.

  Very worrisome is the healthcare workers getting infected and dying, dealing 
with patients dying on every shift, worrying about infecting their families.  
If this is still coming in waves 1-2 years from now, we aren’t going to have 
any doctors and nurses.  Who would do that job long term, even if they don’t 
get sick and die?  As various people have pointed out, this may be a war, but 
even soldiers aren’t asked to put their family’s lives at risk.

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:21 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

  Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

J&J is proclaiming LOUDLY that they will have 1 Billion doses of vaccine 
in 2 months.  But it won't be available to administer until testing 
completes in January.  So IF that vaccine completes testing 
_successfully_ ( big IF ).  They will be ready for world innoculation ( 
and they say at no profit ) in January.


On 4/20/20 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


What are the treatments that are now working?  I try to be optimistic 
about antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right now they mainly 
have ventilators, which honestly aren’t very successful if 70-80% of 
the people die.  They keep doing that because it’s the textbook 
therapy for respiratory distress, but it ain’t working.  Even if it 
were working, ventilators are not a treatment, they don’t reverse the 
disease, they are just a measure to get you oxygen while your body 
hopefully fights the infection.  And then you have the people 
experiencing kidney failure and needing dialysis, they’re not sure if 
the damage is permanent.


I hope you’re right that the medical community has learned how to 
treat it, but I haven’t heard the evidence for that.


Regarding a vaccine, one interesting piece of information I read was 
that even if they develop a successful and safe vaccine (many 
challenges including the sensitization problem), then they have to 
scale up vaccine production.  Right now most vaccines are just for 
each new wave of schoolchildren, this would have to be for the entire 
population.  And not in chicken eggs, it would have to be in big 
vats.  And the interesting part is they could repurpose fermentation 
tanks used for things like brewing beer.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 11:20 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Time will tell based on whether it actually starts declining in a 
meaningful way, or whether we're going to bump along for a bit. 
Remember, the goal was to flatten the curve; it wasn't necessarily 
going to reduce the number of infections. I get the impression that 
the medical community has learned a lot about how to actually treat it.


Let's see where we are a week from today (April 27). If we are over 1 
million infections, this may be going a while yet. If it is under 1 
million, I would be more encouraged.


bp


On 4/20/2020 8:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Then you don't understand social distancing and herd immunity. This is 
just moving the infection rate out into the future spread over a much 
longer range.   We still get infected to 70-80% before herd immunity 
kicks in about 2-3 months _before_ the current schedule of vaccine 
availability.   1/2 over will be 3-4 months from now.  Now if someone 
comes out with a vaccine, different ball game.   Oh and the ebola 
anti-viral...  Gilead is testing with the best case possible patients.   
And results so far don't show anything better with those cases than 
leaving the patients alone.   Sounds like Gilead is doing everything 
they can to make it sound like their stuff is a winner without actually 
proving it...


On 4/20/20 8:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I look at the curve and say we are half over.
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 9:33 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

That probably is (modestly) good news.  But how anyone can look at 
that curve and say it’s over, I don’t know.  That curve is probably 
dominated by the early hit densely populated areas like New York, 
where they are still only slightly off the peak death rate and are 
still piling bodies in refrigerated trucks at hospitals.  And the 
nursing homes and prisons.  It hasn’t even begun to sweep over the 
less dense areas with no hospitals, that will be the long tail of the 
curve.  Then we find out if we screwed up and brought a big second wave.


Very worrisome is the healthcare workers getting infected and dying, 
dealing with patients dying on every shift, worrying about infecting 
their families.  If this is still coming in waves 1-2 years from now, 
we aren’t going to have any doctors and nurses.  Who would do that job 
long term, even if they don’t get sick and die?  As various people 
have pointed out, this may be a war, but even soldiers aren’t asked to 
put their family’s lives at risk.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 10:21 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism


  
  
One of our neighbors had a coyote waltz into their house (door
  was open) and snatch their dachshund. They were sitting at the
  kitchen table and were dumbfounded while they watched their little
  wiener dog disappear forever.

bp



On 4/20/2020 11:35 AM, James Howard
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
My
in-laws’ lot backs up to a “nature preserve” in a city
nearby us.  They used to have coyotes in the back yard all
the time.  The neighbors started complaining to the city
because all their cats were disappearing.  One neighbor had
their black lab mauled by the coyotes and the next house
down had their little puff-ball dog eaten by them.  They
made enough stink after that to get the city to hire someone
to come in and shoot them with tranquilizers and take them
away (the coyotes, not the neighbors).  I don’t think
they’ve seen any behind their house since then.
 

  
From: AF
[mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com]
On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 1:22 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and
optimism
  

 
Coyotes around here come close to the houses and try to lure
  the domestic dogs to join their pack. I'm sure that would go
  well.
 
bp

 

  On 4/20/2020 11:17 AM, James Howard
wrote:


  You
  could record that from my back deck most nights of the
  week.  Thankfully they don’t seem to come close to our
  buildings for some reason.  My neighbor said he got a pic
  of 12 of them eating an adult deer about half way down his
  driveway a couple of years ago.  We never knew if the deer
  was hit by a car (it was about 1/8 mile from the road) or
  if the coyotes actually killed it. Didn’t seem to worry
   them at all that his dobermans were standing by the edge
  of their fence (buried wire) barking at them about 50’
  away.
   
  

  From: AF
  [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com]
  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:13 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and
  optimism

  
   
  We got this at 20:00 last night.
   
  bp
  
   
  
On 4/20/2020 9:07 AM, Adam Moffett
  wrote:
  
  
Why are we mooing?
Can I cluck like a chicken instead?
 

  On 4/20/2020 12:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
wrote:


  

  
Moo
  
  

  
 
  
  

  From:
  castarritt .



  Sent:
  Monday, April 20, 2020 10:04 AM


  To:
  AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group



  Subject:
  Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and
  optimism

  


   

  
  

  It's
  looking like the doctors have come up with
  reasonably effective treatment methods, so I
  bet we will slowly relax social distancing in
  an attempt to cause a controlled spread that
  won't overwhelm the healthcare industry too
  much, but eventually cause enough people to
  catch the virus that we develop herd immunity.


   


  
On
Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 10:49 AM Mike Hammett

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Around here they are looking for a cat snack.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 12:22 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Coyotes around here come close to the houses and try to lure the domestic dogs 
to join their pack. I'm sure that would go well.

bp

On 4/20/2020 11:17 AM, James Howard wrote:

  You could record that from my back deck most nights of the week.  Thankfully 
they don’t seem to come close to our buildings for some reason.  My neighbor 
said he got a pic of 12 of them eating an adult deer about half way down his 
driveway a couple of years ago.  We never knew if the deer was hit by a car (it 
was about 1/8 mile from the road) or if the coyotes actually killed it. Didn’t 
seem to worry  them at all that his dobermans were standing by the edge of 
their fence (buried wire) barking at them about 50’ away.

  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:13 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

  We got this at 20:00 last night.

bp On 4/20/2020 9:07 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Why are we mooing?

Can I cluck like a chicken instead?

On 4/20/2020 12:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Moo

  From: castarritt . 

  Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:04 AM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

  It's looking like the doctors have come up with reasonably effective 
treatment methods, so I bet we will slowly relax social distancing in an 
attempt to cause a controlled spread that won't overwhelm the healthcare 
industry too much, but eventually cause enough people to catch the virus that 
we develop herd immunity.

  On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 10:49 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

I think double or even triple bumps are inevitable  without 
China-level lock-downs or vaccines.

-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

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From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:44:50 AM
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Unless we relax and get a double bump.  

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 

Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 9:44 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

I look at the curve and say we are half over.  

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 9:33 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

That probably is (modestly) good news.  But how anyone can look at that 
curve and say it’s over, I don’t know.  That curve is probably dominated by the 
early hit densely populated areas like New York, where they are still only 
slightly off the peak death rate and are still piling bodies in refrigerated 
trucks at hospitals.  And the nursing homes and prisons.  It hasn’t even begun 
to sweep over the less dense areas with no hospitals, that will be the long 
tail of the curve.  Then we find out if we screwed up and brought a big second 
wave.

Very worrisome is the healthcare workers getting infected and dying, 
dealing with patients dying on every shift, worrying about infecting their 
families.  If this is still coming in waves 1-2 years from now, we aren’t going 
to have any doctors and nurses.  Who would do that job long term, even if they 
don’t get sick and die?  As various people have pointed out, this may be a war, 
but even soldiers aren’t asked to put their family’s lives at risk.

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
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    To: af@af.afmug.com
        Subject: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread James Howard

My in-laws’ lot backs up to a “nature preserve” in a city nearby us.  They used 
to have coyotes in the back yard all the time.  The neighbors started 
complaining to the city because all their cats were disappearing.  One neighbor 
had their black lab mauled by the coyotes and the next house down had their 
little puff-ball dog eaten by them.  They made enough stink after that to get 
the city to hire someone to come in and shoot them with tranquilizers and take 
them away (the coyotes, not the neighbors).  I don’t think they’ve seen any 
behind their house since then.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 1:22 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism


Coyotes around here come close to the houses and try to lure the domestic dogs 
to join their pack. I'm sure that would go well.



bp




On 4/20/2020 11:17 AM, James Howard wrote:
You could record that from my back deck most nights of the week.  Thankfully 
they don’t seem to come close to our buildings for some reason.  My neighbor 
said he got a pic of 12 of them eating an adult deer about half way down his 
driveway a couple of years ago.  We never knew if the deer was hit by a car (it 
was about 1/8 mile from the road) or if the coyotes actually killed it. Didn’t 
seem to worry  them at all that his dobermans were standing by the edge of 
their fence (buried wire) barking at them about 50’ away.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:13 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism


We got this at 20:00 last night.



bp




On 4/20/2020 9:07 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Why are we mooing?

Can I cluck like a chicken instead?


On 4/20/2020 12:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Moo

From: castarritt .
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:04 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

It's looking like the doctors have come up with reasonably effective treatment 
methods, so I bet we will slowly relax social distancing in an attempt to cause 
a controlled spread that won't overwhelm the healthcare industry too much, but 
eventually cause enough people to catch the virus that we develop herd immunity.

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 10:49 AM Mike Hammett 
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
I think double or even triple bumps are inevitable  without China-level 
lock-downs or vaccines.


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To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
Unless we relax and get a double bump.

From: ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 9:44 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

I look at the curve and say we are half over.

From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 9:33 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

That probably is (modestly) good news.  But how anyone can look at that curve 
and say it’s over, I don’t know.  That curve is probably dominated by the early 
hit densely populated areas like New York, where they are still only slightly 
off the peak death rate and are still piling bodies in refrigerated trucks at 
hospitals.  And the nursing homes and prisons.  It hasn’t even begun to sweep 
over the less dense areas with no hospitals, that will be the long tail of the 
curve.  Then we find out if we screwed up and brought a big second wave.

Very worrisome is the healthcare workers getting infected and dying, dealin

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism


  
  
Coyotes around here come close to the houses and try to lure the
  domestic dogs to join their pack. I'm sure that would go well.


bp



On 4/20/2020 11:17 AM, James Howard
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
You
could record that from my back deck most nights of the week.
 Thankfully they don’t seem to come close to our buildings
for some reason.  My neighbor said he got a pic of 12 of
them eating an adult deer about half way down his driveway a
couple of years ago.  We never knew if the deer was hit by a
car (it was about 1/8 mile from the road) or if the coyotes
actually killed it. Didn’t seem to worry  them at all that
his dobermans were standing by the edge of their fence
(buried wire) barking at them about 50’ away.
 

  
From: AF
[mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com]
On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:13 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and
    optimism
  

 
We got this at 20:00 last night.
 
bp

 

  On 4/20/2020 9:07 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:


  Why are we mooing?
  Can I cluck like a chicken instead?
   
  
On 4/20/2020 12:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:
  
  

  

  Moo


  

   


  
From:
castarritt .

  
  
Sent:
Monday, April 20, 2020 10:04 AM
  
  
To:
AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

  
  
Subject:
Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and
    optimism
  

  
  
 
  


  
It's
looking like the doctors have come up with
reasonably effective treatment methods, so I bet
we will slowly relax social distancing in an
attempt to cause a controlled spread that won't
overwhelm the healthcare industry too much, but
eventually cause enough people to catch the
virus that we develop herd immunity.
  
  
 
  
  

  On
  Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 10:49 AM Mike Hammett
  <af...@ics-il.net>
  wrote:


  

  I
  think double or even triple bumps are
  inevitable  without China-level
  lock-downs or vaccines.
  


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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread James Howard

You could record that from my back deck most nights of the week.  Thankfully 
they don’t seem to come close to our buildings for some reason.  My neighbor 
said he got a pic of 12 of them eating an adult deer about half way down his 
driveway a couple of years ago.  We never knew if the deer was hit by a car (it 
was about 1/8 mile from the road) or if the coyotes actually killed it. Didn’t 
seem to worry  them at all that his dobermans were standing by the edge of 
their fence (buried wire) barking at them about 50’ away.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:13 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
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We got this at 20:00 last night.



bp




On 4/20/2020 9:07 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Why are we mooing?

Can I cluck like a chicken instead?


On 4/20/2020 12:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Moo

From: castarritt .
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

It's looking like the doctors have come up with reasonably effective treatment 
methods, so I bet we will slowly relax social distancing in an attempt to cause 
a controlled spread that won't overwhelm the healthcare industry too much, but 
eventually cause enough people to catch the virus that we develop herd immunity.

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 10:49 AM Mike Hammett 
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
I think double or even triple bumps are inevitable  without China-level 
lock-downs or vaccines.


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Unless we relax and get a double bump.

From: ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 9:44 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

I look at the curve and say we are half over.

From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 9:33 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

That probably is (modestly) good news.  But how anyone can look at that curve 
and say it’s over, I don’t know.  That curve is probably dominated by the early 
hit densely populated areas like New York, where they are still only slightly 
off the peak death rate and are still piling bodies in refrigerated trucks at 
hospitals.  And the nursing homes and prisons.  It hasn’t even begun to sweep 
over the less dense areas with no hospitals, that will be the long tail of the 
curve.  Then we find out if we screwed up and brought a big second wave.

Very worrisome is the healthcare workers getting infected and dying, dealing 
with patients dying on every shift, worrying about infecting their families.  
If this is still coming in waves 1-2 years from now, we aren’t going to have 
any doctors and nurses.  Who would do that job long term, even if they don’t 
get sick and die?  As various people have pointed out, this may be a war, but 
even soldiers aren’t asked to put their family’s lives at risk.


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Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:21 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
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Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Maybe each mutation will make the virus less deadly.  Ever see the movie 
Multiplicity?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplicity_(film)

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 12:50 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

 

It mutating and soon im sure the mutation could have the same affect as the 
walking dead. 




On 4/20/20 11:08 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

I think fall is overly optimistic. That would barely be enough to get through 
early testing. Early 2021 is my bet for the earliest availability of an actual 
vaccine.

 

bp

 

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Hopefully we will have a vaccine by fall.  Hopefully they will have sorted out 
what treatments work by July.  Hopefully lotsa good testing by June.

But baseball seems to be totally f*cked.  Hopefully not college football too...

 

From: Mike Hammett 

Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 9:49 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

 

I think double or even triple bumps are inevitable  without China-level 
lock-downs or vaccines.



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Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:44:50 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Unless we relax and get a double bump.  

 

From: ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>  

Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 9:44 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

 

I look at the curve and say we are half over.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 9:33 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

 

That probably is (modestly) good news.  But how anyone can look at that curve 
and say it’s over, I don’t know.  That curve is probably dominated by the early 
hit densely populated areas like New York, where they are still only slightly 
off the peak death rate and are still piling bodies in refrigerated trucks at 
hospitals.  And the nursing homes and prisons.  It hasn’t even begun to sweep 
over the less dense areas with no hospitals, that will be the long tail of the 
curve.  Then we find out if we screwed up and brought a big second wave.

 

Very worrisome is the healthcare workers getting infected and dying, dealing 
with patients dying on every shift, worrying about infecting their families.  
If this is still coming in waves 1-2 years from now, we aren’t going to have 
any doctors and nurses.  Who would do that job long term, even if they don’t 
get sick and die?  As various people have pointed out, this may be a war, but 
even soldiers aren’t asked to put their family’s lives at risk.

 

 

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Of ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> 
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Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...

 




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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread dave

It mutating and soon im sure the mutation could have the same affect as 
the walking dead.



On 4/20/20 11:08 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


I think fall is overly optimistic. That would barely be enough to get 
through early testing. Early 2021 is my bet for the earliest 
availability of an actual vaccine.



bp


On 4/20/2020 9:05 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Hopefully we will have a vaccine by fall.  Hopefully they will have 
sorted out what treatments work by July. Hopefully lotsa good testing 
by June.
But baseball seems to be totally f*cked.  Hopefully not college 
football too...

*From:* Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 9:49 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
I think double or even triple bumps are inevitable  without 
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*Sent: *Monday, April 20, 2020 10:44:50 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Unless we relax and get a double bump.
*From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 9:44 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
I look at the curve and say we are half over.
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 9:33 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

That probably is (modestly) good news.  But how anyone can look at 
that curve and say it’s over, I don’t know.  That curve is probably 
dominated by the early hit densely populated areas like New York, 
where they are still only slightly off the peak death rate and are 
still piling bodies in refrigerated trucks at hospitals.  And the 
nursing homes and prisons.  It hasn’t even begun to sweep over the 
less dense areas with no hospitals, that will be the long tail of the 
curve.  Then we find out if we screwed up and brought a big second wave.


Very worrisome is the healthcare workers getting infected and dying, 
dealing with patients dying on every shift, worrying about infecting 
their families.  If this is still coming in waves 1-2 years from now, 
we aren’t going to have any doctors and nurses. Who would do that job 
long term, even if they don’t get sick and die?  As various people 
have pointed out, this may be a war, but even soldiers aren’t asked 
to put their family’s lives at risk.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
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Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Do you remember the Beverly hillbillies episode where the greedy banker was
working to get grannies cure for the common cold? I'm pretty sure at the
end of the day, it will be grannies cure

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 11:34 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> What are the treatments that are now working?  I try to be optimistic
> about antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right now they mainly have
> ventilators, which honestly aren’t very successful if 70-80% of the people
> die.  They keep doing that because it’s the textbook therapy for
> respiratory distress, but it ain’t working.  Even if it were working,
> ventilators are not a treatment, they don’t reverse the disease, they are
> just a measure to get you oxygen while your body hopefully fights the
> infection.  And then you have the people experiencing kidney failure and
> needing dialysis, they’re not sure if the damage is permanent.
>
>
>
> I hope you’re right that the medical community has learned how to treat
> it, but I haven’t heard the evidence for that.
>
>
>
> Regarding a vaccine, one interesting piece of information I read was that
> even if they develop a successful and safe vaccine (many challenges
> including the sensitization problem), then they have to scale up vaccine
> production.  Right now most vaccines are just for each new wave of
> schoolchildren, this would have to be for the entire population.  And not
> in chicken eggs, it would have to be in big vats.  And the interesting part
> is they could repurpose fermentation tanks used for things like brewing
> beer.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 11:20 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>
>
>
> Time will tell based on whether it actually starts declining in a
> meaningful way, or whether we're going to bump along for a bit. Remember,
> the goal was to flatten the curve; it wasn't necessarily going to reduce
> the number of infections. I get the impression that the medical community
> has learned a lot about how to actually treat it.
>
> Let's see where we are a week from today (April 27). If we are over 1
> million infections, this may be going a while yet. If it is under 1
> million, I would be more encouraged.
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 4/20/2020 8:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...
>
>
>
> [image: image]
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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism


  
  
That was it.

bp



On 4/20/2020 9:46 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
ECMO?
 
 

  
From: AF
   On Behalf Of Bill
  Prince
  Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:41 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and
  optimism
  

 
Instead of ventilators, they are just giving oxygen in a
  couple of different ways. There was an acronym that was
  mentioned in one of the articles I read, but I can't recall
  what it was except it had an "O" in it (for oxygen). The big
  issue with dialysis is that the victims are experiencing
  above-normal levels of blood clotting. This is messing with
  their kidneys and also clogging the filters on the dialysis
  machines.
I'm OK with re-purposing vaccine vats to produce beer.
 
bp

 

  On 4/20/2020 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  What are the treatments that are now
working?  I try to be optimistic about antivirals and
convalescent plasma, but right now they mainly have
ventilators, which honestly aren’t very successful if 70-80%
of the people die.  They keep doing that because it’s the
textbook therapy for respiratory distress, but it ain’t
working.  Even if it were working, ventilators are not a
treatment, they don’t reverse the disease, they are just a
measure to get you oxygen while your body hopefully fights
the infection.  And then you have the people experiencing
kidney failure and needing dialysis, they’re not sure if the
damage is permanent.
   
  I hope you’re right that the medical
community has learned how to treat it, but I haven’t heard
the evidence for that.
   
  Regarding a vaccine, one interesting
piece of information I read was that even if they develop a
successful and safe vaccine (many challenges including the
sensitization problem), then they have to scale up vaccine
production.  Right now most vaccines are just for each new
wave of schoolchildren, this would have to be for the entire
population.  And not in chicken eggs, it would have to be in
big vats.  And the interesting part is they could repurpose
fermentation tanks used for things like brewing beer.
   
   
  

  From: AF 
On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:20 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and
optimism

  
   
  Time will tell based on whether it actually starts
declining in a meaningful way, or whether we're going to
bump along for a bit. Remember, the goal was to flatten the
curve; it wasn't necessarily going to reduce the number of
infections. I get the impression that the medical community
has learned a lot about how to actually treat it. 
  Let's see where we are a week from today (April 27). If we
are over 1 million infections, this may be going a while
yet. If it is under 1 million, I would be more encouraged.
  bp
  
   
  
On 4/20/2020 8:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:
  
  

  

  Looks a bit
  Gaussian to me.  I hope...


   


  

  


  
  
  
  
  



  
  
  

  

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ECMO?

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:41 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Instead of ventilators, they are just giving oxygen in a couple of different
ways. There was an acronym that was mentioned in one of the articles I read,
but I can't recall what it was except it had an "O" in it (for oxygen). The
big issue with dialysis is that the victims are experiencing above-normal
levels of blood clotting. This is messing with their kidneys and also
clogging the filters on the dialysis machines.

I'm OK with re-purposing vaccine vats to produce beer.

bp

On 4/20/2020 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

What are the treatments that are now working?  I try to be optimistic about
antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right now they mainly have
ventilators, which honestly aren't very successful if 70-80% of the people
die.  They keep doing that because it's the textbook therapy for respiratory
distress, but it ain't working.  Even if it were working, ventilators are
not a treatment, they don't reverse the disease, they are just a measure to
get you oxygen while your body hopefully fights the infection.  And then you
have the people experiencing kidney failure and needing dialysis, they're
not sure if the damage is permanent.

I hope you're right that the medical community has learned how to treat it,
but I haven't heard the evidence for that.

Regarding a vaccine, one interesting piece of information I read was that
even if they develop a successful and safe vaccine (many challenges
including the sensitization problem), then they have to scale up vaccine
production.  Right now most vaccines are just for each new wave of
schoolchildren, this would have to be for the entire population.  And not in
chicken eggs, it would have to be in big vats.  And the interesting part is
they could repurpose fermentation tanks used for things like brewing beer.

From: AF  <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>  On
Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:20 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Time will tell based on whether it actually starts declining in a meaningful
way, or whether we're going to bump along for a bit. Remember, the goal was
to flatten the curve; it wasn't necessarily going to reduce the number of
infections. I get the impression that the medical community has learned a
lot about how to actually treat it. 

Let's see where we are a week from today (April 27). If we are over 1
million infections, this may be going a while yet. If it is under 1 million,
I would be more encouraged.

bp

On 4/20/2020 8:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>  wrote:

Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism


  
  
Instead of ventilators, they are just giving oxygen in a couple
  of different ways. There was an acronym that was mentioned in one
  of the articles I read, but I can't recall what it was except it
  had an "O" in it (for oxygen). The big issue with dialysis is that
  the victims are experiencing above-normal levels of blood
  clotting. This is messing with their kidneys and also clogging the
  filters on the dialysis machines.
I'm OK with re-purposing vaccine vats to produce beer.


bp



On 4/20/2020 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
What are the treatments that are now
  working?  I try to be optimistic about antivirals and
  convalescent plasma, but right now they mainly have
  ventilators, which honestly aren’t very successful if 70-80%
  of the people die.  They keep doing that because it’s the
  textbook therapy for respiratory distress, but it ain’t
  working.  Even if it were working, ventilators are not a
  treatment, they don’t reverse the disease, they are just a
  measure to get you oxygen while your body hopefully fights the
  infection.  And then you have the people experiencing kidney
  failure and needing dialysis, they’re not sure if the damage
  is permanent.
 
I hope you’re right that the medical
  community has learned how to treat it, but I haven’t heard the
  evidence for that.
 
Regarding a vaccine, one interesting piece
  of information I read was that even if they develop a
  successful and safe vaccine (many challenges including the
  sensitization problem), then they have to scale up vaccine
  production.  Right now most vaccines are just for each new
  wave of schoolchildren, this would have to be for the entire
  population.  And not in chicken eggs, it would have to be in
  big vats.  And the interesting part is they could repurpose
  fermentation tanks used for things like brewing beer.
 
 

  
From: AF
   On Behalf Of Bill
  Prince
  Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:20 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and
  optimism
  

 
Time will tell based on whether it actually starts declining
  in a meaningful way, or whether we're going to bump along for
  a bit. Remember, the goal was to flatten the curve; it wasn't
  necessarily going to reduce the number of infections. I get
  the impression that the medical community has learned a lot
  about how to actually treat it. 
Let's see where we are a week from today (April 27). If we
  are over 1 million infections, this may be going a while yet.
  If it is under 1 million, I would be more encouraged.
bp

 

  On 4/20/2020 8:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
wrote:


  

  
Looks a bit
Gaussian to me.  I hope...
  
  
 
  
  

  

  
  



  
  
  

  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

I think Rita Wilson and Tom Hanks got the malaria drug.  They don’t know if it 
worked but they felt better after getting it.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:33 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

What are the treatments that are now working?  I try to be optimistic about 
antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right now they mainly have ventilators, 
which honestly aren’t very successful if 70-80% of the people die.  They keep 
doing that because it’s the textbook therapy for respiratory distress, but it 
ain’t working.  Even if it were working, ventilators are not a treatment, they 
don’t reverse the disease, they are just a measure to get you oxygen while your 
body hopefully fights the infection.  And then you have the people experiencing 
kidney failure and needing dialysis, they’re not sure if the damage is 
permanent.

I hope you’re right that the medical community has learned how to treat it, but 
I haven’t heard the evidence for that.

Regarding a vaccine, one interesting piece of information I read was that even 
if they develop a successful and safe vaccine (many challenges including the 
sensitization problem), then they have to scale up vaccine production.  Right 
now most vaccines are just for each new wave of schoolchildren, this would have 
to be for the entire population.  And not in chicken eggs, it would have to be 
in big vats.  And the interesting part is they could repurpose fermentation 
tanks used for things like brewing beer.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:20 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Time will tell based on whether it actually starts declining in a meaningful 
way, or whether we're going to bump along for a bit. Remember, the goal was to 
flatten the curve; it wasn't necessarily going to reduce the number of 
infections. I get the impression that the medical community has learned a lot 
about how to actually treat it. 

Let's see where we are a week from today (April 27). If we are over 1 million 
infections, this may be going a while yet. If it is under 1 million, I would be 
more encouraged.

bp On 4/20/2020 8:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread castarritt .

That sounds like a recipe for community spread of the
Ragingthunderflu-April-2020, May-2020, June-2020...


On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:18 AM  wrote:

> Harem immunity.
>
> *From:* castarritt .
> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 10:09 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>
> I said herd immunity, but brood immunity does sound cooler.
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:07 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Why are we mooing?
>>
>> Can I cluck like a chicken instead?
>>
>>
>> On 4/20/2020 12:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> Moo
>>
>> *From:* castarritt .
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 10:04 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>
>> It's looking like the doctors have come up with reasonably effective
>> treatment methods, so I bet we will slowly relax social distancing in an
>> attempt to cause a controlled spread that won't overwhelm the healthcare
>> industry too much, but eventually cause enough people to catch the virus
>> that we develop herd immunity.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 10:49 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> I think double or even triple bumps are inevitable  without
>>> China-level lock-downs or vaccines.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
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>>>
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>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>> *Sent: *Monday, April 20, 2020 10:44:50 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>>
>>> Unless we relax and get a double bump.
>>>
>>> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 9:44 AM
>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>>
>>> I look at the curve and say we are half over.
>>>
>>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 9:33 AM
>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>>
>>>
>>> That probably is (modestly) good news.  But how anyone can look at that
>>> curve and say it’s over, I don’t know.  That curve is probably dominated by
>>> the early hit densely populated areas like New York, where they are still
>>> only slightly off the peak death rate and are still piling bodies in
>>> refrigerated trucks at hospitals.  And the nursing homes and prisons.  It
>>> hasn’t even begun to sweep over the less dense areas with no hospitals,
>>> that will be the long tail of the curve.  Then we find out if we screwed up
>>> and brought a big second wave.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Very worrisome is the healthcare workers getting infected and dying,
>>> dealing with patients dying on every shift, worrying about infecting their
>>> families.  If this is still coming in waves 1-2 years from now, we aren’t
>>> going to have any doctors and nurses.  Who would do that job long term,
>>> even if they don’t get sick and die?  As various people have pointed out,
>>> this may be a war, but even soldiers aren’t asked to put their family’s
>>> lives at risk.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 10:21 AM
>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Mike Hammett

I think Bill Gates said his foundation was going to fund full production lines 
of the top 7 or so vaccines ASAP, scrapping all but the one or two eventually 
chosen to actually treat the world with. 




- 
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Midwest Internet Exchange 

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- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:33:55 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism 



What are the treatments that are now working? I try to be optimistic about 
antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right now they mainly have ventilators, 
which honestly aren’t very successful if 70-80% of the people die. They keep 
doing that because it’s the textbook therapy for respiratory distress, but it 
ain’t working. Even if it were working, ventilators are not a treatment, they 
don’t reverse the disease, they are just a measure to get you oxygen while your 
body hopefully fights the infection. And then you have the people experiencing 
kidney failure and needing dialysis, they’re not sure if the damage is 
permanent. 

I hope you’re right that the medical community has learned how to treat it, but 
I haven’t heard the evidence for that. 

Regarding a vaccine, one interesting piece of information I read was that even 
if they develop a successful and safe vaccine (many challenges including the 
sensitization problem), then they have to scale up vaccine production. Right 
now most vaccines are just for each new wave of schoolchildren, this would have 
to be for the entire population. And not in chicken eggs, it would have to be 
in big vats. And the interesting part is they could repurpose fermentation 
tanks used for things like brewing beer. 




From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince 
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:20 AM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism 

Time will tell based on whether it actually starts declining in a meaningful 
way, or whether we're going to bump along for a bit. Remember, the goal was to 
flatten the curve; it wasn't necessarily going to reduce the number of 
infections. I get the impression that the medical community has learned a lot 
about how to actually treat it. 
Let's see where we are a week from today (April 27). If we are over 1 million 
infections, this may be going a while yet. If it is under 1 million, I would be 
more encouraged. bp  

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Looks a bit Gaussian to me. I hope... 



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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

What are the treatments that are now working?  I try to be optimistic about
antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right now they mainly have
ventilators, which honestly aren't very successful if 70-80% of the people
die.  They keep doing that because it's the textbook therapy for respiratory
distress, but it ain't working.  Even if it were working, ventilators are
not a treatment, they don't reverse the disease, they are just a measure to
get you oxygen while your body hopefully fights the infection.  And then you
have the people experiencing kidney failure and needing dialysis, they're
not sure if the damage is permanent.

 

I hope you're right that the medical community has learned how to treat it,
but I haven't heard the evidence for that.

 

Regarding a vaccine, one interesting piece of information I read was that
even if they develop a successful and safe vaccine (many challenges
including the sensitization problem), then they have to scale up vaccine
production.  Right now most vaccines are just for each new wave of
schoolchildren, this would have to be for the entire population.  And not in
chicken eggs, it would have to be in big vats.  And the interesting part is
they could repurpose fermentation tanks used for things like brewing beer.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:20 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

 

Time will tell based on whether it actually starts declining in a meaningful
way, or whether we're going to bump along for a bit. Remember, the goal was
to flatten the curve; it wasn't necessarily going to reduce the number of
infections. I get the impression that the medical community has learned a
lot about how to actually treat it. 

Let's see where we are a week from today (April 27). If we are over 1
million infections, this may be going a while yet. If it is under 1 million,
I would be more encouraged.

bp

 

On 4/20/2020 8:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>  wrote:

Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...

 







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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism


  
  
Time will tell based on whether it actually starts declining in a
  meaningful way, or whether we're going to bump along for a bit.
  Remember, the goal was to flatten the curve; it wasn't necessarily
  going to reduce the number of infections. I get the impression
  that the medical community has learned a lot about how to actually
  treat it. 

Let's see where we are a week from today (April 27). If we are
  over 1 million infections, this may be going a while yet. If it is
  under 1 million, I would be more encouraged.

bp



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  wrote:


  
  

  Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...
   
  

  
  
  

  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Harem immunity.

From: castarritt . 
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:09 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

I said herd immunity, but brood immunity does sound cooler.

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:07 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

  Why are we mooing?

  Can I cluck like a chicken instead?

  On 4/20/2020 12:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Moo

From: castarritt . 
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:04 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

It's looking like the doctors have come up with reasonably effective 
treatment methods, so I bet we will slowly relax social distancing in an 
attempt to cause a controlled spread that won't overwhelm the healthcare 
industry too much, but eventually cause enough people to catch the virus that 
we develop herd immunity.

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 10:49 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

  I think double or even triple bumps are inevitable  without 
China-level lock-downs or vaccines.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

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  To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
  Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:44:50 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

  Unless we relax and get a double bump.  

  From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
  Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 9:44 AM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

  I look at the curve and say we are half over.  

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 9:33 AM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

  That probably is (modestly) good news.  But how anyone can look at that 
curve and say it’s over, I don’t know.  That curve is probably dominated by the 
early hit densely populated areas like New York, where they are still only 
slightly off the peak death rate and are still piling bodies in refrigerated 
trucks at hospitals.  And the nursing homes and prisons.  It hasn’t even begun 
to sweep over the less dense areas with no hospitals, that will be the long 
tail of the curve.  Then we find out if we screwed up and brought a big second 
wave.

  Very worrisome is the healthcare workers getting infected and dying, 
dealing with patients dying on every shift, worrying about infecting their 
families.  If this is still coming in waves 1-2 years from now, we aren’t going 
to have any doctors and nurses.  Who would do that job long term, even if they 
don’t get sick and die?  As various people have pointed out, this may be a war, 
but even soldiers aren’t asked to put their family’s lives at risk.

  From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:21 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

  Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism


  
  
We got this at 20:00 last night.


bp



On 4/20/2020 9:07 AM, Adam Moffett
  wrote:


  
  Why are we mooing?
  Can I cluck like a chicken instead?
  
  
  On 4/20/2020 12:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
  
  


  
Moo

  
 

  From: castarritt . 
  Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:04 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
  Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of
hope and optimism

  
   


  It's looking like the doctors have come up
with reasonably effective treatment methods, so I bet we
will slowly relax social distancing in an attempt to
cause a controlled spread that won't overwhelm the
healthcare industry too much, but eventually cause
enough people to catch the virus that we develop herd
immunity.
   
  
On Mon, Apr 20, 2020
  at 10:49 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net>
  wrote:


  
I
  think double or even triple bumps are
  inevitable  without China-level lock-downs or
  vaccines.
  
  

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing
  Solutions

Midwest
  Internet Exchange

The
  Brothers WISP

  
  

  
  
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
<af@af.afmug.com>
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:44:50 AM
            Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of
    hope and optimism


  
Unless we relax and get a double bump. 


  
 

  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  
  Sent: Monday, April 20,
2020 9:44 AM
  To: 'AnimalFarm
  Microwave Users Group' 
          Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT
                still a bit of hope and optimism

  
   


  

  I look at the curve and say we
are half over.  
  

   
  
From: Ken
Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, April
  20, 2020 9:33 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm
Microwave Users Group' 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG]
              OT still a bit of hope and
  optimism
  

 
  
  

  That probably
is (modestly) good news.  But
how anyone can look at that
curve and say it’s over, I don’t
know.  That curve is probably
dominated by the early hit
densely populated areas like New

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread castarritt .

I said herd immunity, but brood immunity does sound cooler.

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:07 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Why are we mooing?
>
> Can I cluck like a chicken instead?
>
>
> On 4/20/2020 12:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Moo
>
> *From:* castarritt .
> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 10:04 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>
> It's looking like the doctors have come up with reasonably effective
> treatment methods, so I bet we will slowly relax social distancing in an
> attempt to cause a controlled spread that won't overwhelm the healthcare
> industry too much, but eventually cause enough people to catch the virus
> that we develop herd immunity.
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 10:49 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> I think double or even triple bumps are inevitable  without
>> China-level lock-downs or vaccines.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
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>>
>>
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>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> *Sent: *Monday, April 20, 2020 10:44:50 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>
>> Unless we relax and get a double bump.
>>
>> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 9:44 AM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>
>> I look at the curve and say we are half over.
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 9:33 AM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>
>>
>> That probably is (modestly) good news.  But how anyone can look at that
>> curve and say it’s over, I don’t know.  That curve is probably dominated by
>> the early hit densely populated areas like New York, where they are still
>> only slightly off the peak death rate and are still piling bodies in
>> refrigerated trucks at hospitals.  And the nursing homes and prisons.  It
>> hasn’t even begun to sweep over the less dense areas with no hospitals,
>> that will be the long tail of the curve.  Then we find out if we screwed up
>> and brought a big second wave.
>>
>>
>>
>> Very worrisome is the healthcare workers getting infected and dying,
>> dealing with patients dying on every shift, worrying about infecting their
>> families.  If this is still coming in waves 1-2 years from now, we aren’t
>> going to have any doctors and nurses.  Who would do that job long term,
>> even if they don’t get sick and die?  As various people have pointed out,
>> this may be a war, but even soldiers aren’t asked to put their family’s
>> lives at risk.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 10:21 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>
>>
>>
>> Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: image]
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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism


  
  
I think fall is overly optimistic. That would barely be enough to
  get through early testing. Early 2021 is my bet for the earliest
  availability of an actual vaccine.


bp



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  wrote:


  
  
  

  Hopefully we will have a vaccine by fall.  Hopefully they
will have sorted out what treatments work by July. 
Hopefully lotsa good testing by June.
  But baseball seems to be totally f*cked.  Hopefully not
college football too...
  

   
  
From: Mike
Hammett 
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 9:49 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope
  and optimism
  

 
  
  
I think double
  or even triple bumps are inevitable  without
  China-level lock-downs or vaccines.
  
  

-
Mike
  Hammett
Intelligent
  Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

  
  

  
  
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"

Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:44:50 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and
    optimism




  
Unless we relax and get a double bump.  

  
 

  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  
  Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 9:44
AM
  To: 'AnimalFarm
  Microwave Users Group' 
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            bit of hope and optimism

  
   


  

  I look at the curve and say we are half
over.  
  

   
  
From:
  Ken Hohhof

Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020
  9:33 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm
Microwave Users Group' 
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT
                  still a bit of hope and optimism
  

 
  
  

  That probably is
(modestly) good news.  But how anyone
can look at that curve and say it’s
over, I don’t know.  That curve is
probably dominated by the early hit
densely populated areas like New York,
where they are still only slightly off
the peak death rate and are still piling
bodies in refrigerated trucks at
hospitals.  And the nursing homes and
prisons.  It hasn’t even begun to sweep
over the less dense areas with no
hospitals, that will be the long tail of
the curve.  Then we find out if we
screwed up and brought a big second
wave.
   
  Very worrisome is the
healthcare workers getting infected and
dying, dealing with patients dying on
every shift, worrying about infecting
their families.  If this is still coming
in waves 1-2 years from now, we aren’t
going to have any doctors and nurses.

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Adam Moffett


Why are we mooing?

Can I cluck like a chicken instead?


On 4/20/2020 12:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Moo
*From:* castarritt .
*Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 10:04 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
It's looking like the doctors have come up with reasonably effective 
treatment methods, so I bet we will slowly relax social distancing in 
an attempt to cause a controlled spread that won't overwhelm the 
healthcare industry too much, but eventually cause enough people to 
catch the virus that we develop herd immunity.

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 10:49 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

I think double or even triple bumps are inevitable  without
China-level lock-downs or vaccines.



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*From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
*Sent: *Monday, April 20, 2020 10:44:50 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Unless we relax and get a double bump.
*From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 9:44 AM
    *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
I look at the curve and say we are half over.
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 9:33 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

That probably is (modestly) good news.  But how anyone can look at
that curve and say it’s over, I don’t know.  That curve is
probably dominated by the early hit densely populated areas like
New York, where they are still only slightly off the peak death
rate and are still piling bodies in refrigerated trucks at
hospitals.  And the nursing homes and prisons.  It hasn’t even
begun to sweep over the less dense areas with no hospitals, that
will be the long tail of the curve.  Then we find out if we
screwed up and brought a big second wave.

Very worrisome is the healthcare workers getting infected and
dying, dealing with patients dying on every shift, worrying about
infecting their families.  If this is still coming in waves 1-2
years from now, we aren’t going to have any doctors and nurses. 
Who would do that job long term, even if they don’t get sick and
die?  As various people have pointed out, this may be a war, but
even soldiers aren’t asked to put their family’s lives at risk.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
    *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 10:21 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Hopefully we will have a vaccine by fall.  Hopefully they will have sorted out 
what treatments work by July.  Hopefully lotsa good testing by June.
But baseball seems to be totally f*cked.  Hopefully not college football too...

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 9:49 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

I think double or even triple bumps are inevitable  without China-level 
lock-downs or vaccines.

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Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:44:50 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Unless we relax and get a double bump.  

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 9:44 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

I look at the curve and say we are half over.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 9:33 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

That probably is (modestly) good news.  But how anyone can look at that curve 
and say it’s over, I don’t know.  That curve is probably dominated by the early 
hit densely populated areas like New York, where they are still only slightly 
off the peak death rate and are still piling bodies in refrigerated trucks at 
hospitals.  And the nursing homes and prisons.  It hasn’t even begun to sweep 
over the less dense areas with no hospitals, that will be the long tail of the 
curve.  Then we find out if we screwed up and brought a big second wave.

Very worrisome is the healthcare workers getting infected and dying, dealing 
with patients dying on every shift, worrying about infecting their families.  
If this is still coming in waves 1-2 years from now, we aren’t going to have 
any doctors and nurses.  Who would do that job long term, even if they don’t 
get sick and die?  As various people have pointed out, this may be a war, but 
even soldiers aren’t asked to put their family’s lives at risk.

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:21 AM
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Subject: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Moo

From: castarritt . 
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:04 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

It's looking like the doctors have come up with reasonably effective treatment 
methods, so I bet we will slowly relax social distancing in an attempt to cause 
a controlled spread that won't overwhelm the healthcare industry too much, but 
eventually cause enough people to catch the virus that we develop herd immunity.

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 10:49 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

  I think double or even triple bumps are inevitable  without China-level 
lock-downs or vaccines.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

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  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
  Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:44:50 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

  Unless we relax and get a double bump.  

  From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
  Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 9:44 AM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

  I look at the curve and say we are half over.  

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 9:33 AM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

  That probably is (modestly) good news.  But how anyone can look at that curve 
and say it’s over, I don’t know.  That curve is probably dominated by the early 
hit densely populated areas like New York, where they are still only slightly 
off the peak death rate and are still piling bodies in refrigerated trucks at 
hospitals.  And the nursing homes and prisons.  It hasn’t even begun to sweep 
over the less dense areas with no hospitals, that will be the long tail of the 
curve.  Then we find out if we screwed up and brought a big second wave.

  Very worrisome is the healthcare workers getting infected and dying, dealing 
with patients dying on every shift, worrying about infecting their families.  
If this is still coming in waves 1-2 years from now, we aren’t going to have 
any doctors and nurses.  Who would do that job long term, even if they don’t 
get sick and die?  As various people have pointed out, this may be a war, but 
even soldiers aren’t asked to put their family’s lives at risk.

  From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:21 AM
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  Subject: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

  Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread castarritt .

It's looking like the doctors have come up with reasonably effective
treatment methods, so I bet we will slowly relax social distancing in an
attempt to cause a controlled spread that won't overwhelm the
healthcare industry too much, but eventually cause enough people to catch
the virus that we develop herd immunity.

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 10:49 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> I think double or even triple bumps are inevitable  without
> China-level lock-downs or vaccines.
>
>
>
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> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Monday, April 20, 2020 10:44:50 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>
> Unless we relax and get a double bump.
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 9:44 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>
> I look at the curve and say we are half over.
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 9:33 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>
>
> That probably is (modestly) good news.  But how anyone can look at that
> curve and say it’s over, I don’t know.  That curve is probably dominated by
> the early hit densely populated areas like New York, where they are still
> only slightly off the peak death rate and are still piling bodies in
> refrigerated trucks at hospitals.  And the nursing homes and prisons.  It
> hasn’t even begun to sweep over the less dense areas with no hospitals,
> that will be the long tail of the curve.  Then we find out if we screwed up
> and brought a big second wave.
>
>
>
> Very worrisome is the healthcare workers getting infected and dying,
> dealing with patients dying on every shift, worrying about infecting their
> families.  If this is still coming in waves 1-2 years from now, we aren’t
> going to have any doctors and nurses.  Who would do that job long term,
> even if they don’t get sick and die?  As various people have pointed out,
> this may be a war, but even soldiers aren’t asked to put their family’s
> lives at risk.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 10:21 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>
>
>
> Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...
>
>
>
> [image: image]
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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Mike Hammett

I think double or even triple bumps are inevitable without China-level 
lock-downs or vaccines. 




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From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:44:50 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism 




Unless we relax and get a double bump. 




From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 9:44 AM 
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism 




I look at the curve and say we are half over. 




From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 9:33 AM 
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism 



That probably is (modestly) good news. But how anyone can look at that curve 
and say it’s over, I don’t know. That curve is probably dominated by the early 
hit densely populated areas like New York, where they are still only slightly 
off the peak death rate and are still piling bodies in refrigerated trucks at 
hospitals. And the nursing homes and prisons. It hasn’t even begun to sweep 
over the less dense areas with no hospitals, that will be the long tail of the 
curve. Then we find out if we screwed up and brought a big second wave. 

Very worrisome is the healthcare workers getting infected and dying, dealing 
with patients dying on every shift, worrying about infecting their families. If 
this is still coming in waves 1-2 years from now, we aren’t going to have any 
doctors and nurses. Who would do that job long term, even if they don’t get 
sick and die? As various people have pointed out, this may be a war, but even 
soldiers aren’t asked to put their family’s lives at risk. 




From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:21 AM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism 




Looks a bit Gaussian to me. I hope... 



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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Unless we relax and get a double bump.  

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 9:44 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

I look at the curve and say we are half over.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 9:33 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

That probably is (modestly) good news.  But how anyone can look at that curve 
and say it’s over, I don’t know.  That curve is probably dominated by the early 
hit densely populated areas like New York, where they are still only slightly 
off the peak death rate and are still piling bodies in refrigerated trucks at 
hospitals.  And the nursing homes and prisons.  It hasn’t even begun to sweep 
over the less dense areas with no hospitals, that will be the long tail of the 
curve.  Then we find out if we screwed up and brought a big second wave.

Very worrisome is the healthcare workers getting infected and dying, dealing 
with patients dying on every shift, worrying about infecting their families.  
If this is still coming in waves 1-2 years from now, we aren’t going to have 
any doctors and nurses.  Who would do that job long term, even if they don’t 
get sick and die?  As various people have pointed out, this may be a war, but 
even soldiers aren’t asked to put their family’s lives at risk.

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:21 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

I am guessing we don’t want to degauss this curve.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 9:23 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRkXF3TKy54




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Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...



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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

I look at the curve and say we are half over.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 9:33 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

That probably is (modestly) good news.  But how anyone can look at that curve 
and say it’s over, I don’t know.  That curve is probably dominated by the early 
hit densely populated areas like New York, where they are still only slightly 
off the peak death rate and are still piling bodies in refrigerated trucks at 
hospitals.  And the nursing homes and prisons.  It hasn’t even begun to sweep 
over the less dense areas with no hospitals, that will be the long tail of the 
curve.  Then we find out if we screwed up and brought a big second wave.

Very worrisome is the healthcare workers getting infected and dying, dealing 
with patients dying on every shift, worrying about infecting their families.  
If this is still coming in waves 1-2 years from now, we aren’t going to have 
any doctors and nurses.  Who would do that job long term, even if they don’t 
get sick and die?  As various people have pointed out, this may be a war, but 
even soldiers aren’t asked to put their family’s lives at risk.

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:21 AM
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Subject: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

That probably is (modestly) good news.  But how anyone can look at that
curve and say it's over, I don't know.  That curve is probably dominated by
the early hit densely populated areas like New York, where they are still
only slightly off the peak death rate and are still piling bodies in
refrigerated trucks at hospitals.  And the nursing homes and prisons.  It
hasn't even begun to sweep over the less dense areas with no hospitals, that
will be the long tail of the curve.  Then we find out if we screwed up and
brought a big second wave.

 

Very worrisome is the healthcare workers getting infected and dying, dealing
with patients dying on every shift, worrying about infecting their families.
If this is still coming in waves 1-2 years from now, we aren't going to have
any doctors and nurses.  Who would do that job long term, even if they don't
get sick and die?  As various people have pointed out, this may be a war,
but even soldiers aren't asked to put their family's lives at risk.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:21 AM
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Subject: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

 

Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...

 



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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Mike Hammett

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRkXF3TKy54 




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Looks a bit Gaussian to me. I hope... 

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