[AsburyPark] Bikes on the Boardwalk
Any truth that bicycles are being banned on the boardwalk? I just heard this yesterday and am really amazed if this is true. For starters this has been a really great thing that makes the AP boardwalk special and I believe is one of the reasons cited as to why the boardwalk is so wide. Second, it will put Asbury Pedlars out of business, which sucks given their willingness to take a chance and make the investment to open on the boardwalk based on the ability to ride on it. Anybody know anything about this? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
Asburycouple, You are misinformed regarding this topic and making some incorrect assumptions. Bike riding has ALWAY been banned on the boardwalk except between the hours of 6am to 9am The width of the boardwalk has nothing to do with bikes or any other vehicles. The width is an aougrowth of the evolution of Asbuey Park and the influence of the City Beautiful movement promoting large public spaces. logically, the 'Bike Shop' should never have been given permission to operate on the boardwalk since it is a conflict of use with pedestrian and beachfront activities. And biking is prohibited (except 6 to 9). The Councl has moved to increase the biking hours. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any truth that bicycles are being banned on the boardwalk? I just heard this yesterday and am really amazed if this is true. For starters this has been a really great thing that makes the AP boardwalk special and I believe is one of the reasons cited as to why the boardwalk is so wide. Second, it will put Asbury Pedlars out of business, which sucks given their willingness to take a chance and make the investment to open on the boardwalk based on the ability to ride on it. Anybody know anything about this? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
It appears that between your reply and the one prior to it there are different points of view on just what was allowed and what has changed... So apparently others here are both misinformed and making incorrect assumptions, too. Bottom line is that I really think this is too bad. Unfortunate for the town. This move eliminates something that was both highly desireable and differentiating for AP and just simply a lot of fun. As a marketing professional I am truly amazed. We want people to come back and check out AP then take away something that was getting them here. What a pity. I am also kind of amazed that, with all of the things both important and sometimes silly that are debated on this board, nothing was ever mentioned about this (forgive me if I missed something). I for one will be complaining to Terry Reidy and our Council. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Asburycouple, You are misinformed regarding this topic and making some incorrect assumptions. Bike riding has ALWAY been banned on the boardwalk except between the hours of 6am to 9am The width of the boardwalk has nothing to do with bikes or any other vehicles. The width is an aougrowth of the evolution of Asbuey Park and the influence of the City Beautiful movement promoting large public spaces. logically, the 'Bike Shop' should never have been given permission to operate on the boardwalk since it is a conflict of use with pedestrian and beachfront activities. And biking is prohibited (except 6 to 9). The Councl has moved to increase the biking hours. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: Any truth that bicycles are being banned on the boardwalk? I just heard this yesterday and am really amazed if this is true. For starters this has been a really great thing that makes the AP boardwalk special and I believe is one of the reasons cited as to why the boardwalk is so wide. Second, it will put Asbury Pedlars out of business, which sucks given their willingness to take a chance and make the investment to open on the boardwalk based on the ability to ride on it. Anybody know anything about this? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears that between your reply and the one prior to it there are different points of view on just what was allowed and what has changed... So apparently others here are both misinformed and making incorrect assumptions, too. Points of view, Assumptions, etc, lead to bad conclusions. The facts are what they are - Biking is prohibited except from 6am to 9am. Biking and pedestrian activities are incompatible, which is the reason for limiting bikes to certain hours. The Council is moving to extend those hours, not reduce them, as a compromise. Bottom line is that I really think this is too bad. Unfortunate for the town. This move eliminates something that was both highly desireable and differentiating for AP and just simply a lot of fun. As a marketing professional I am truly amazed. We want people to come back and check out AP then take away something that was getting them here. As a marketing professional you really beleive that the economic gains (if any) realized due to a handfull of bikers is more significant than the safety of hundreds of pedestrians who are visiting and spending money ? What a pity. I am also kind of amazed that, with all of the things both important and sometimes silly that are debated on this board, nothing was ever mentioned about this (forgive me if I missed something). I for one will be complaining to Terry Reidy and our Council. Complaining about what? They ae increasing the allowed hours. Werner As a side note - several tens of thousand dollars were recently spent to create bike lanes around town. They are not used except for the occational hard-core/spandexed/helmeted biker. I've seen about 6 in the past six months. More wasted public funds and visual clutter from strips and signs. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Stand Up For Asbury!
If you send me emails in support of your point of view, I may as well tell you I dont necessarily think the shelter is a bad idea, but I would support a measure giving it a 'wait-and-see' approach or a temporary OK, say, for 6 mos. or so, in order to determine if they will be a good neighbor or if they will be 'good' or 'bad' for Asbury in general, and a way in which their lease or whatever can be reviewed after a certain length of time, and rescinded if the PEOPLE of Asbury (and not JUST storeowners) think their presence is doing the town that great a disservice. That way they will have at least a chance to prove their worth if they can do so. I think a legal battle BEFORE THE FACT is not the right way to go, so I would naturally not support one, and would voice my opinion to others against such action. Everything is LITIGATE in this country, how about TALKING FIRST?? -A. Mc Daniel --- paulvail1964 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last night Councilman Ed Johnson announced that the council will instruct the city attorneys to draw up an amicus brief in support of our appeal against the Market Street Mission. I also want to point out that councilman John Loffredo has supported our efforts from the beginning and was instrumental in getting a council majority. These two men clearly stand up for Asbury. The consensus of the council was not unanimous. Councilman Keady made it clear last night that he supports the Market Street Mission's homeless shelter and soup kitchen on Asbury Avenue. We continue raising funds for our appeal. Please contact us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you would like to contribute. Paul Vail 511 Second __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
First off, it's not a handful of cyclists. There are quite a few of us who enjoy riding on the boardwalk. I've never seen a single incident involving a pedestrian and bicyclist. I have however, seen bicyclist's have troubles with cars, particularly at night. It is absolutely absurd to think that I can't ride my bike on the boardwalk at 11 pm, when there is hardly anybody to contend with, and even if there were, in my experience the vast majority of cyclists are both responsible and courteous. Even worse, I can't imagine how AP would be willing to dedicate police resources to enforce this while at the same time my neighborhood is overrun with prostitutes, drunks and drug dealers. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Fighting Prostitution in my neighborhood
I recently moved to AP to a beautiful home 1 block away from Kingsley on 1st Ave. I truely love my new home, but there are several things that take place in my neighborhood that are a bit disturbing. Before I discuss this, i'm not attempting to start a fight, rather i'm trying to help solve a problem. It seems that my neighborhood is an active market for the prostitutes that live in AP. On a daily basis, I see the same handful of women soliciting on my street and quite often directly in front of my home at all hours of the day. Last Thursday, upon coming home from work, I pulled up in front of my home to find one of them leaning in front of a tree, and she assumed I was pulling over for her, so she approaced me and asked What's Up I've encountered this person before, and she's even take a liking to my dog, but the fact is she appears to be doing her biz in order to get money to fund her drug habit. At the end of my street is a group of mostly abandoned bungaloos that was recently boarded up because they were being used for this activity, but despite the lack of access, this weekend I still saw people sneaking in and out of one of the porches to do their business. I truely feel for these people...and I just can't understand how this long term problem continues to thrive in my neighborhood. Every morning, my front yard is littered with discarded liquor bottles, empty drug bags, occasional puke and the other day a discarded womens sanitary pad covered in blood. Now, here's the point of this topic. AP is doing great in building new condos in my neighborhood, and I truely applaud all of the efforts to bring back our town to it's former glory. I fear that a clash of culture is on the horizon, where new residents are dismayed, like myself, by these activities. If I were a prospective home buyer in AP, and I drove in thru this corridor, i'd be somewhat worried if I saw this, and I must say it's quite obvious. I wonder if AP has a plan to deal with this. Please understand, I just moved here, and i'm not completely informed on what's going on in our town, and these are merely my observations. Finally, I want to mention the effect all this has on the lovely park up the street. I believe it's called Library...or Liberty Park. I often walk my dog there, and the central area of the park is frequented by these same people, and it's not uncommon to see people sitting on the benches in the middle doing something questionable, and they leave an incredible mess behind, ranging from discared drug paraphenalia, to bloody band-aids and tons of litter. Even worse, the other day while walking past a beautiful old tree, I was disgusted to see a huge pile of human shit at the base of the tree. I know that this is all part of the long term fabric of AP, and I'm wondering what all of us AP loving citizens can do about this in a safe manner, and as I mentioned above, does AP have a plan to combat these problems? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park: Haves and Have-Nots by the Sea
HERE HERE!! -a --- oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can things be equalized ? Begin some more serius attempts to rebuild the West side and incorporate equal housing on the east side Article last week about how long branchtook $2m in COAH credits from Colts Neck (this is where rich towns can give away the low income housing obligations to other towns to build the low income housing. Nice loophole for towns to avoid their local obilgations. Imagine a development on the West Side that catered to ALL people that was affordable and SAFE. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] ARM wrestling
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
Bikes and pedestrians on the boardwalk do not mix. It is a miracle that no one has been injured. It is a disgrace that the people in charge of Asbury's boardwalk and pavilions have done so little to enhance the boardwalk and it's pavilions to make Asbury even more attractive for tourists and everyday beach goers than it already is. Instead, we have bikes on the boardwalk at all hours and count them, 3 bars in full operation on the boardwalk. I believe, and Werner can confirm or deny, that when James Bradley handed the city his boardwalk he provided for zero alcohol on it, and the avenues remaining open space. The idea of Asbury being a place to come for peace and quiet, health and meditation has kind of been usurped wernerapnj wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears that between your reply and the one prior to it there are different points of view on just what was allowed and what has changed... So apparently others here are both misinformed and making incorrect assumptions, too. Points of view, Assumptions, etc, lead to bad conclusions. The facts are what they are - Biking is prohibited except from 6am to 9am. Biking and pedestrian activities are incompatible, which is the reason for limiting bikes to certain hours. The Council is moving to extend those hours, not reduce them, as a compromise. Bottom line is that I really think this is too bad. Unfortunate for the town. This move eliminates something that was both highly desireable and differentiating for AP and just simply a lot of fun. As a marketing professional I am truly amazed. We want people to come back and check out AP then take away something that was getting them here. As a marketing professional you really beleive that the economic gains (if any) realized due to a handfull of bikers is more significant than the safety of hundreds of pedestrians who are visiting and spending money ? What a pity. I am also kind of amazed that, with all of the things both important and sometimes silly that are debated on this board, nothing was ever mentioned about this (forgive me if I missed something). I for one will be complaining to Terry Reidy and our Council. Complaining about what? They ae increasing the allowed hours. Werner As a side note - several tens of thousand dollars were recently spent to create bike lanes around town. They are not used except for the occational hard-core/spandexed/helmeted biker. I've seen about 6 in the past six months. More wasted public funds and visual clutter from strips and signs. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [AsburyPark] Stand Up For Asbury!
Hi Allen, Thanks for your input. Firstly, I would like to point out that we are not suing the Market Street Mission. We are appealing the variances that the zoning board issued to the Mission. The zoning board initially denied the variances that the shelter sought from the city. The Mission then appealed this at the Monmouth County Court. The Judge ruled that the zoning board had not considered the inherently beneficial use test in denying the variances to the Mission. The ruling was sent back to the zoning board. At this point the zoning board felt out-gunned and approved the variances without applying the inherently beneficial use test. Stand Up For Asbury is not against homeless shelters or soup kitchens per se. Our contention is that the city already has more than its share. The shelter will bring in homeless men from around the State, not just men from Asbury. The homeless at the shelter will have had no criminal background checks and will include released convicts, pedophiles, drug and alcohol abusers and the mentally ill. These men will be on the Streets of Asbury Park starting at 7 a.m. every morning until the shelter lets them back in at night. I have never heard of a city issuing temporary variances in this type of situation. The shelter has already purchased the property for an enormous sum of money. Once it is allowed to operate, it will be there indefinitely for better or for worse. The Market Street Mission has operated in Morristown for over 90 years. Again, Stand Up For Asbury! respects opposing points of view and I appreciate that you have heard us out. Best personal regards, Paul Vail 511 Second Ave From: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allen McDaniel Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 2:01 PM To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Stand Up For Asbury! If you send me emails in support of your point of view, I may as well tell you I dont necessarily think the shelter is a bad idea, but I would support a measure giving it a 'wait-and-see' approach or a temporary OK, say, for 6 mos. or so, in order to determine if they will be a good neighbor or if they will be 'good' or 'bad' for Asbury in general, and a way in which their lease or whatever can be reviewed after a certain length of time, and rescinded if the PEOPLE of Asbury (and not JUST storeowners) think their presence is doing the town that great a disservice. That way they will have at least a chance to prove their worth if they can do so. I think a legal battle BEFORE THE FACT is not the right way to go, so I would naturally not support one, and would voice my opinion to others against such action. Everything is LITIGATE in this country, how about TALKING FIRST?? -A. Mc Daniel --- paulvail1964 [EMAIL PROTECTED]com wrote: Last night Councilman Ed Johnson announced that the council will instruct the city attorneys to draw up an amicus brief in support of our appeal against the Market Street Mission. I also want to point out that councilman John Loffredo has supported our efforts from the beginning and was instrumental in getting a council majority. These two men clearly stand up for Asbury. The consensus of the council was not unanimous. Councilman Keady made it clear last night that he supports the Market Street Mission's homeless shelter and soup kitchen on Asbury Avenue. We continue raising funds for our appeal. Please contact us at [EMAIL PROTECTED]ry.org if you would like to contribute. Paul Vail 511 Second __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] trying to get rid of the casino...?
ASBURY PARK -- Traffic was closed down for an hour Monday morning after a backhoe being used to dig up the street in the area of Asbury and Ocean avenues struck a four-inch gas main, city Fire Inspector Garrett Giberson said. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Fighting Prostitution in my neighborhood
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recently moved to AP to a beautiful home 1 block away from Kingsley on 1st Ave. I truely love my new home, but there are several things that take place in my neighborhood that are a bit disturbing. Before I discuss this, i'm not attempting to start a fight, rather i'm trying to help solve a problem. Many, if not most of us in AP, have experienced the same thing. There is only 1 solution - call the police repeatedly. They do come. Don't stop calling, no matter how many times you have to call. I have done the same for the past 2 years and the difference is remarkable. But you have to call. I would suggest calling when you are not even there (the prostitutes will be even while you're working). The police, especially the deputy chief and inspector, care. The police are stretched thin but they will respond. They are doing a great job with the limited resources they have. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. You have to take part helping the police do their job. Call and don't stop calling. Call the Deputy Chief. Come to a council meeting and speak at the mike about your problem. There is a solution. It will work. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
I'm sorry, but I disagree about the bicycles. Have you ever been to Wildwood? They have a similar boardwalk to our own, which has a dedicated bike lane. Same goes for the area in Los Angeles known as The Strand. You can't tell me that cycling and pedestrians don't mix in those places, because they have for decades. You're also making an assumption about the responsibility of the cyclists by branding all of us as a potential risk. I guess the problem here is if you're a non-cyclist, you don't know the joy you are missing. As an avid cyclist having worked a good 10 years of my life at The Peddler in Long Branch, I know all about the up's and downs of cycling, and what you may fail to realize is by creating such a huge cycling ban in AP, which includes the entire night, you are forcing us cyclists to contend with the potholes and drivers...and even worse there are quite a few drunken drivers at night in AP. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Fighting Prostitution in my neighborhood
Hinge, For some reason, the prositute have always worked that area, and I am going back 25 years. For some reason, they are like the great gazoo and only a select few of normal people could see 'em and they can't be arrested - or if they are , they are right back out. Maybe they are all undercover cops, looking for the Johns, but I doubt it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The facts are what they are - Biking is prohibited except from 6am to 9am. Biking and pedestrian activities are incompatible, which is the reason for limiting bikes to certain hours. The Council is moving to extend those hours, not reduce them, as a compromise. To 12 pm. I like riding my bike on the BW as much as the next person, and I agree that the recent non-enforcement of the EXISTING law drew more people to the BW, whch is good. However, I also realize that 1) a dedicated bike lane on the BW is likely unfeasible, and 2) that when the BW is crowded with pedestrians, the mixture of bikes and people is an accident (and liability) waiting to happen. Some might argue that the council should not have extended the period to 12 pm. I personally think that to 11 AM would be a good compromise and that it should be allowed afterwards as well, say from 6-10pm. In any event, I think the council recognized the added allure of bike riding on the BW and tried to accommodate it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Fighting Prostitution in my neighborhood
Well, i'm a bit afraid to mention this...but one thing that I observed recently was a guy who appeared to be a fireman, with fire dept. license plates and a pile of fireman equipment in his backseat pick-up one of these prostitutes right up the block from me. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
Personally, I'd just like to be able to ride my bike after dark on the boardwalk, when there's hardly anybody there to contend with. I read on here somewhere that the ban is due to some kind of gang activity, and if that's the fact then it's sad that the good guys/girls have to suffer because of a handful of gang members. Honestly, I just want what's best for everybody. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
First hand experience yesterday... I get the wife to go for a bike ride for breakfast - North to an overpriced bfast at Turining Point or to our new place, the Tidesto the Tides we go. Since we had nothing really better to do...we manged to spend $17.00 (plus tip) at the tides - and that's not easy. 1 coffee, fruit salad, mixed crepe, rasberry crepe, potatoes.not bad since we normal just split something (like their blueberry pancakes). Back to the bikes, as we leave, I stop at A.Peddler, borrow an allen wrench and take off. Only to get stopped by a very polite Special officer advising me and the other couple he stopped of the rule. He explained that kids were zipping around the BW, popping wheelies etc and making it unsafe. According to the special officer, in the past they were able to use their discretion in enforcing the law (which is obvious to us old..bikes were never allowed, and for years, unless you had tires of steel, you never would ride the bw) And to give the special officer more credit, when the other couple said there was no sign from Ocean Grove of the time limits (OG you can ride til 10am I think), he said he will bring this up and see that a sign is posted. As for my wife who continued on riding, her comment was if they fixed Ocean Ave,w e woudln't ride the BW. And as for AP Peddler, his biz is a great one, if the towns would have a nice bike path along the entire oceanfront from AP South or north. Deal has a nice bike lane and either side of the road. I did see a sign that it was for sale for $200k. He is also selling his bikes for $200 a piece. To make a real go, YOU NEED PEOPLE. The more people, the more bikes to rent. You still couldn't run anyone over yesterday @ 10am unless you really had it in you. Nothing beats riding a bike along the ocean. Did it today from my house to the end of the LB BW and back. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
--- I've tried posting this a couple times, so here's a breif version... I got stopped yesterday on the BW with the bike around 10:15 after eating at the tides. The special officer was nice and said that it was at their discretion, as kids were causing problems popping wheelies and running into people and there were some injuries. The other couple said there were no signs coming in from OG, and he said he bring this up and see signs are posted at the OG side. The AP Peddlar did have s for sale sign in the store for $200k. A great concept, we need a bike lane that extends all the wa to Manasquan that runs along Ocean Ave. Nothing beat a ride along the Ocean. To the Peddler we ride down the LB oceanfront. I guess the fear of riding the BW at night is gone. Always thought you'd get jumped. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
I must agree that for the most part, the AP police are nice, kind and courteous. I commend them big time for that. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- I've tried posting this a couple times, so here's a breif version... I got stopped yesterday on the BW with the bike around 10:15 after eating at the tides. The special officer was nice and said that it was at their discretion, as kids were causing problems popping wheelies and running into people and there were some injuries. The other couple said there were no signs coming in from OG, and he said he bring this up and see signs are posted at the OG side. The AP Peddlar did have s for sale sign in the store for $200k. A great concept, we need a bike lane that extends all the wa to Manasquan that runs along Ocean Ave. Nothing beat a ride along the Ocean. To the Peddler we ride down the LB oceanfront. I guess the fear of riding the BW at night is gone. Always thought you'd get jumped. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
I'm looking at all this from afar, and I can understand how sometimes rules have to be made in order to prevent the potentialabuse of a situation by even one person. Life is full of rules like that, and it harkens back to what is so often said by teachers in school--"It's a shame that one ofyou has to spoil it for all the rest." If Asbury really does become a busy place, I can see where at one point people (both tourists and residents of all of the proposed condos) fighting for right of way on the boardwalk, and enforcing things now seems to me to be a wise decision.Why can't they make some kind of bicycle lane, similar to the Pinellas trail in Florida, or the bicycle lanes in Germany? I have lived in all three places, andthis seems to me like a reasonablealternative to a total ban. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Fighting Prostitution in my neighborhood
Thank you, and I really appreciate your suggestion. Last night I got the number for the AP tipline from and AP cop, and I do intend to do what I can, but hopefully this won't dominate my AP experience. I just have a hard time looking the other way. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Fighting Prostitution in my neighborhood
The best way to get a handle on the prostitution in your neighborhood is to call the police. Don't call the 911 number as it takes to long. Use the direct dial number for the Asbury Park Police Department: 732-774-1033. They will respond! From: Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon Jul 10 13:08:46 CDT 2006 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Fighting Prostitution in my neighborhood I recently moved to AP to a beautiful home 1 block away from Kingsley on 1st Ave. I truely love my new home, but there are several things that take place in my neighborhood that are a bit disturbing. Before I discuss this, i'm not attempting to start a fight, rather i'm trying to help solve a problem. It seems that my neighborhood is an active market for the prostitutes that live in AP. On a daily basis, I see the same handful of women soliciting on my street and quite often directly in front of my home at all hours of the day. Last Thursday, upon coming home from work, I pulled up in front of my home to find one of them leaning in front of a tree, and she assumed I was pulling over for her, so she approaced me and asked What's Up I've encountered this person before, and she's even take a liking to my dog, but the fact is she appears to be doing her biz in order to get money to fund her drug habit. At the end of my street is a group of mostly abandoned bungaloos that was recently boarded up because they were being used for this activity, but despite the lack of access, this weekend I still saw people sneaking in and out of one of the porches to do their business. I truely feel for these people...and I just can't understand how this long term problem continues to thrive in my neighborhood. Every morning, my front yard is littered with discarded liquor bottles, empty drug bags, occasional puke and the other day a discarded womens sanitary pad covered in blood. Now, here's the point of this topic. AP is doing great in building new condos in my neighborhood, and I truely applaud all of the efforts to bring back our town to it's former glory. I fear that a clash of culture is on the horizon, where new residents are dismayed, like myself, by these activities. If I were a prospective home buyer in AP, and I drove in thru this corridor, i'd be somewhat worried if I saw this, and I must say it's quite obvious. I wonder if AP has a plan to deal with this. Please understand, I just moved here, and i'm not completely informed on what's going on in our town, and these are merely my observations. Finally, I want to mention the effect all this has on the lovely park up the street. I believe it's called Library...or Liberty Park. I often walk my dog there, and the central area of the park is frequented by these same people, and it's not uncommon to see people sitting on the benches in the middle doing something questionable, and they leave an incredible mess behind, ranging from discared drug paraphenalia, to bloody band-aids and tons of litter. Even worse, the other day while walking past a beautiful old tree, I was disgusted to see a huge pile of human shit at the base of the tree. I know that this is all part of the long term fabric of AP, and I'm wondering what all of us AP loving citizens can do about this in a safe manner, and as I mentioned above, does AP have a plan to combat these problems? Michael W. Brim 321 Sunset Ave. 5F Asbury Park NJ 07712 Cell: 732-996-8160 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
You make some good points. I too spent quite a bit of time in Europe, mostly in Germany and Holland, and it always blew me away to see dedicated bike roads and the diversity of people using their bikes for more then recreation. I have an enduring image of a women of at least 70 returning home from grocery shopping on her bike. I used to work in the music biz in Europe, and I always marveled at the swarm of bikes parked outside the venues I worked in. I truely believe America would greatly benefit from embracing bicycles more the way Europe does. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking at all this from afar, and I can understand how sometimes rules have to be made in order to prevent the potential abuse of a situation by even one person. Life is full of rules like that, and it harkens back to what is so often said by teachers in school--It's a shame that one of you has to spoil it for all the rest. If Asbury really does become a busy place, I can see where at one point people (both tourists and residents of all of the proposed condos) fighting for right of way on the boardwalk, and enforcing things now seems to me to be a wise decision. Why can't they make some kind of bicycle lane, similar to the Pinellas trail in Florida, or the bicycle lanes in Germany? I have lived in all three places, and this seems to me like a reasonable alternative to a total ban. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Fighting Prostitution in my neighborhood
---if there ever was a need for eminent domain to remove a public nuisance and blight, those bungalows at 2nd and Kingsley are it. Let's not get into a history discussion here on them. Plow 'em down. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Fighting Prostitution in my neighborhood
I agree. They are also quite an eyesore. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---if there ever was a need for eminent domain to remove a public nuisance and blight, those bungalows at 2nd and Kingsley are it. Let's not get into a history discussion here on them. Plow 'em down. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
How about a separate trail altogether? __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
Had a wacky computer moment...how about a trail that runs from town to town along the ocean. I used to walk from Asbury to Belmar. A bicycle trail would be great, where you could actually go places. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Had a wacky computer moment...how about a trail that runs from town to town along the ocean. I used to walk from Asbury to Belmar. A bicycle trail would be great, where you could actually go places. If I recall correctly, the PLAN is supposed to promote AP as a bike/walk friendly city discouraging the use of cars (Duany's rationale for minimizing parking spaces). I forget if there are provisions for bike lanes. That of course assumes we even get streets considering the snail's pace of the infrastructure build out. Today they hit a gas main. Well at least it wasn't in the senior citizen's center again. There's a bike lane on Grand. Should be on every north/south avenue with traffic calming measures incorporated and enforced. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Fighting Prostitution in my neighborhood
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, i'm a bit afraid to mention this...but one thing that I observed recently was a guy who appeared to be a fireman, with fire dept. license plates and a pile of fireman equipment in his backseat pick-up one of these prostitutes right up the block from me. Take a picture and get his license plate. You know how you stop, or more likely curtail it? Arrest and process the johns. Once it becomes know it will be halted. Buth then again, they will set up in another area. Arrest the johns. BTW, I bet that fireman was just doing a rescue. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Fighting Prostitution in my neighborhood
I'd like to thank everybody for participating in this topic. It's nice to see that other people care as much as I do! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Thank you, and I really appreciate your suggestion. Last night I got the number for the AP tipline from and AP cop, and I do intend to do what I can, but hopefully this won't dominate my AP experience. I just have a hard time looking the other way. Don;t ever look the other way. This is your home. You pay taxes. People have looked the other way and have kept quiet in the inner cities for too long. Call the police desk directly 24/7 (732) 774-1300. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... You're also making an assumption about the responsibility of the cyclists by branding all of us as a potential risk. Bad assumption on your part - The risk is from the clash of pedestrians and cyclists. The elderly, hearing/vision impaired, young children, the able bodied and alert adults all co-mingle on the boardwalk. A cyclist can be the most alert professional possible and still have someone step/run into his path and be injured. The same reasoning is behind the rules prohibiting cyclists from public sidewalks. I guess the problem here is if you're a non-cyclist, you don't know the joy you are missing. As an avid cyclist having worked a good 10 years of my life at The Peddler in Long Branch, I know all about the up's and downs of cycling, and what you may fail to realize is by creating such a huge cycling ban in AP, No one is creating a ban, the hours for biking are being expanded. which includes the entire night, you are forcing us cyclists to contend with the potholes and drivers...and even worse there are quite a few drunken drivers at night in AP. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
YES WILDWOOD HAS A DEDICATED BIKE LANE ON THE BOARDWALK. YOU MAY RIDE UNTIL 11AM WEEKDAYS AND 1030AM ON WEEKENDS AND HOLIDAYS. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
First off, they hours which were first retracted, and now being expanded only benefit the people who don't work for a living. I work from 9am until at least 5pm M-F. So do quite a few of us. The expansion does us no good at all. I was just at the boardwalk. There's hardly anybody there. I'm not talking about riding during beach hours, i'm talking about when things have quieted down, like now. I agree that bicycling should be restricted between 9am and 6pm. Do you live close to the boardwalk? If so, go take a walk there now. I see lot's of wide open boardwalk, with plenty of room for both the bicycles and pedestrians to happily co-exist. I've been riding my bike for over 40 years all over the world and I have yet to have someone walk in front of me causing a collision. I've ridden thru the streets of NYC, London, Berlin and many other places and things work just fine. Are you a cyclist? If so, how often do you ride? If not, when was the last time you rode you bike? Furthermore, I never ride my bike on the sidewalk, and I always ride with traffic, not against. I even taught bike safety classes about 10 years ago, and i'm vigilant about letting younger cyclists know what's right and wrong. You know, since our country became so damn lawsuit hungry, much of the activity known as fun has been dwindling away, because we're taking the responsibility away from people who want to have this fun because of the fear of getting sued. You and I should go bike riding sometime. You'd have fun, see new things, smell new things and get some fresh air. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: ... You're also making an assumption about the responsibility of the cyclists by branding all of us as a potential risk. Bad assumption on your part - The risk is from the clash of pedestrians and cyclists. The elderly, hearing/vision impaired, young children, the able bodied and alert adults all co-mingle on the boardwalk. A cyclist can be the most alert professional possible and still have someone step/run into his path and be injured. The same reasoning is behind the rules prohibiting cyclists from public sidewalks. I guess the problem here is if you're a non-cyclist, you don't know the joy you are missing. As an avid cyclist having worked a good 10 years of my life at The Peddler in Long Branch, I know all about the up's and downs of cycling, and what you may fail to realize is by creating such a huge cycling ban in AP, No one is creating a ban, the hours for biking are being expanded. which includes the entire night, you are forcing us cyclists to contend with the potholes and drivers...and even worse there are quite a few drunken drivers at night in AP. Werner Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Join Asbury Radio Live from the Baronet Theater - July 13th
July 13th Join Asbury Radio Live from the Baronet Theater - Meet the Movie Man Nelson Page, of Galaxy Theaters, who'll keep the movies coming for us this summer. AP Council will vote on whether the 1920s Baronet stays or goes next Wed. 7/19. We'll interview audience members, so please everyone come out to the second block from the ocean on 4th Avenue, Thursday night at 7:30 PM. Meet you at the Movies!! Next week ArtsCAP and the AP Civic Media Arts prog. For more info, visit us at http://www.asburyradio.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
IV'E HAD A LITTLE GIRL RUN DOWN BUT FORTUNATLY NOT INJURED. DAY OF THE ASBURY 5K 2004. __._,_.___ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
I would never use a bike lane that shares the street with cars in this country. Drivers are just not aware of bikes the way that they are in Europe. In Italy, everyone shares the street, but of course, there are mostly scooters there, and few bikes. Drivers are accustomed too being aware of everything while they drive. In Germany, there is a specially colored part of the sidewalkfor bikes, so they do not mingle with cars for the most part.And cyclists have to obey all of the traffic signals, and keep their bikes up to code with headlights and reflectors. In Pinellas County, FL, there is a trail that spans several towns, and you can actually travel to places without a car. It is open to both pedestrians and bikes. It even goes through woods and over highways! I just think that a trail along the shore would be really cool. Much the same it would allow people to go from town to town without mingling with cars which isdeadly and who needs the carbon monoxide? __._,_.___ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about a separate trail altogether? Another failure in Asbury Park's redevelopment planning. There was ample opportunity in the design phase to create a seperate dedicated bike lane between the sidewalk and and traffic/parking lanes of Ocean Avenue. One would think that it's an obvious task considering that the redevelopment plan praises itself as bicycle friendly As with most things in this redevelopment another mistake and misrepresentation. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
LOOK WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT, DIG UP SOME OLD PHOTOS, TALK TO OLDTIMERS, USE SOME COMMON SENSE. IT'S A BOARDWALK! - BOARDWALK! - BOARDWALK! - BOARDWALK! __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
ALL WELL AND GOOD FOR GERMANY AND EUROPE AS A WHOLE, BUT ASK YOURSELF WHAT IS THE REAL PROBLEM HERE, AND COULD THEIR RULES OF LAW ON JUVINILE PROSECUTION BE THE REASON YOU ARE ABLE TO PERCIEVE THEIR CIVILIZED APPROACH TO BIKING. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
BIKES GOT TO GO WERNER! __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
Well, that's a good point, and I in return ask you this. Why can't we begin to apply the same sensiblities here? They do it in Seattle and Portland Oregon. Personally, I think that we have a prime opportunity here in AP for some progressive thinking in this area. I'm saddened that bicycles are though of more like toys then viable transportation, and I think it's been a few decades since bicycling has been widely promoted and taught responsibily in New Jersey's school systems. My biggest evidence of this is how many kids I see riding toward traffic, not with. That in itself is a very dangerous thing, because as a driver, we are taught to look to the left when entering the road, and if a cyclist is coming at you on the right it's a dangerous situation. That being said, do you think the right thing to do is just leave things as they are, or try something new? One poster keeps coming at me about how even the most resposible cyclist may still be at risk for a collision with a pedestrian, and sure, accidents do happen. But they are accidents and it doesn't mean that because of a few isolated incidents, and they are isolated...that we should penalize everybody. Why don't we try something new, like a little education and awareness? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ALL WELL AND GOOD FOR GERMANY AND EUROPE AS A WHOLE, BUT ASK YOURSELF WHAT IS THE REAL PROBLEM HERE, AND COULD THEIR RULES OF LAW ON JUVINILE PROSECUTION BE THE REASON YOU ARE ABLE TO PERCIEVE THEIR CIVILIZED APPROACH TO BIKING. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Fighting Prostitution in my neighborhood
PLEASE RESPOND TO THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS. 1. DID THIS GUY (FIREMAN) HAVE A UNIFORM ON? 2. WAS THIS GUY DRIVING AN OFFICIAL VEHICLE? 3. DO YOU WEAR CORRECTIVE EYEGLASSES? __._,_.___ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: Fighting Prostitution in my neighborhood
1- No, but there was a uniform in his back seat 2- No, but he had FD license plates 3 - Why would it matter if I wore glasses. And please note, I was 10 feet away when I saw this. What is your point? I observed something that bothered me. And i'm trying to make a difference in my town. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PLEASE RESPOND TO THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS. 1. DID THIS GUY (FIREMAN) HAVE A UNIFORM ON? 2. WAS THIS GUY DRIVING AN OFFICIAL VEHICLE? 3. DO YOU WEAR CORRECTIVE EYEGLASSES? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
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[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
Well, I can see you are very skilled in the use of capital letters. But, what I don't get is this. You are right...it's a board WALK. And it's a great one. I love it. But go down there right now7:31 pm and you'll notice that there's very very few people walking there. It's a wide open landscape, with plenty of room for both bikes and walkers. What i'm not hearing here is any form of cooperation...you just want to relegate all of us cyclists to the dirty streets, filled with potholes, and broken glass, and rude drivers that don't respect us. If the boardwalk was filled with people, I'd agree with you, but it's not. Furthermore, I don't understand at all why I can't ride my bike there later in the evening, say after 9 pm when the boardwalk is deserted. Why can't they just change the hours to say bike riding is allowed from 9 pm to 9 am. Do you see a problem in that? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOOK WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT, DIG UP SOME OLD PHOTOS, TALK TO OLDTIMERS, USE SOME COMMON SENSE. IT'S A BOARDWALK! - BOARDWALK! - BOARDWALK! - BOARDWALK! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
Exactly. Your's is the kind of thinking we need. I'm fully prepared to continue to be attacked about this. Bring it on. But, I just want to say one thing. I agree that bicycles aren't respected like they are in Europe. Is it impossible to change that here in the USA? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Fighting Prostitution in my neighborhood
And just for the record, I made no mention of what town this person was a fireman in. He could've been from anytown I just know I saw what I saw in broad daylight. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1- No, but there was a uniform in his back seat 2- No, but he had FD license plates 3 - Why would it matter if I wore glasses. And please note, I was 10 feet away when I saw this. What is your point? I observed something that bothered me. And i'm trying to make a difference in my town. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rabbott128@ wrote: PLEASE RESPOND TO THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS. 1. DID THIS GUY (FIREMAN) HAVE A UNIFORM ON? 2. WAS THIS GUY DRIVING AN OFFICIAL VEHICLE? 3. DO YOU WEAR CORRECTIVE EYEGLASSES? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But go down there right now7:31 pm and you'll notice that there's very very few people walking there. It's a wide open landscape, with plenty of room for both bikes and walkers. What i'm not hearing here is any form of cooperation...you just want to relegate all of us cyclists to the dirty streets, filled with potholes, and broken glass, and rude drivers that don't respect us. Taking this a bit personally eh. If you were at the Council Meetings you would know that the topic came up as a request to create a bike lane. The issue was raised that the current ordinance is not enforced so how can the City's resources be expected to enforce a bike lane. The compromise was to extend the hours by ordinance and enforce it to see how it goes. The bike lane concept will be reexamined in the future. Although this was discussed in front of the public it was at the Work Session and public comment was not permitted. Unfortunately many issues are handled this way. Yes, there are times when biking would probably not be a problem. Times of day, season of the year, beachfront events, etc, would all play a role in an appropriate schedule. Unfortunately the City's resources are limited and the simple compromise of extending the hours was agreed to. I hope that clarifies things for you and any other interested folks. No one is being Anti-Biker its just that the City has more at stake such as enforcement, liability, available resources, etc. Of course, cycleing needs could all have been addressed in a comprehensive manner off the boardwalk, within the redevelopment plan. It was not. Werner If the boardwalk was filled with people, I'd agree with you, but it's not. Furthermore, I don't understand at all why I can't ride my bike there later in the evening, say after 9 pm when the boardwalk is deserted. Why can't they just change the hours to say bike riding is allowed from 9 pm to 9 am. Do you see a problem in that? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rabbott128@ wrote: LOOK WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT, DIG UP SOME OLD PHOTOS, TALK TO OLDTIMERS, USE SOME COMMON SENSE. IT'S A BOARDWALK! - BOARDWALK! - BOARDWALK! - BOARDWALK! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
Werner, I both respect and appreciate your comments. I only recently moved to Asbury, and I honestly never thought of myself as being an activist of any sort. Since moving here and getting a taste of the way things happen, I found myself more and more compelled to speak my voice, and get involved anyway I can. I've never been to a council meeting and I definitely want to attend one. I love Asbury. I grew up in the Shore area, living in Eatontown, Long Branch and Allenhurst, and during my life Asbury has always been a place i've loved. I truely miss the Asbury of old. When I was a baby, I was in the baby parade at least once that I can remember. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: But go down there right now7:31 pm and you'll notice that there's very very few people walking there. It's a wide open landscape, with plenty of room for both bikes and walkers. What i'm not hearing here is any form of cooperation...you just want to relegate all of us cyclists to the dirty streets, filled with potholes, and broken glass, and rude drivers that don't respect us. Taking this a bit personally eh. If you were at the Council Meetings you would know that the topic came up as a request to create a bike lane. The issue was raised that the current ordinance is not enforced so how can the City's resources be expected to enforce a bike lane. The compromise was to extend the hours by ordinance and enforce it to see how it goes. The bike lane concept will be reexamined in the future. Although this was discussed in front of the public it was at the Work Session and public comment was not permitted. Unfortunately many issues are handled this way. Yes, there are times when biking would probably not be a problem. Times of day, season of the year, beachfront events, etc, would all play a role in an appropriate schedule. Unfortunately the City's resources are limited and the simple compromise of extending the hours was agreed to. I hope that clarifies things for you and any other interested folks. No one is being Anti-Biker its just that the City has more at stake such as enforcement, liability, available resources, etc. Of course, cycleing needs could all have been addressed in a comprehensive manner off the boardwalk, within the redevelopment plan. It was not. Werner If the boardwalk was filled with people, I'd agree with you, but it's not. Furthermore, I don't understand at all why I can't ride my bike there later in the evening, say after 9 pm when the boardwalk is deserted. Why can't they just change the hours to say bike riding is allowed from 9 pm to 9 am. Do you see a problem in that? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rabbott128@ wrote: LOOK WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT, DIG UP SOME OLD PHOTOS, TALK TO OLDTIMERS, USE SOME COMMON SENSE. IT'S A BOARDWALK! - BOARDWALK! - BOARDWALK! - BOARDWALK! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Werner, I both respect and appreciate your comments. I only recently moved to Asbury, and I honestly never thought of myself as being an activist of any sort. This town will make you an activist or stark raving mad. BTW, I forgot if you said earlier tha you were stopped by a special officer after beach hours. Ordinarily I think you would be safe (from ticketing) riding your bike after hours on the bw. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: ARM wrestling
LOL...thanks for the humor in the middle of some serious discussion. $3 TRILLION in ARMS are due to be reset in the next 18 months, and suddenly people are conveniently forgetting the original terms of their loans are now demanding that the mortgage companies make their investments affordable? Don't worry: Those houses WILL be affordable...the people bright enough not to overleverage themselves in variable rate debt will be getting some nice deals in the sheriff sales. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, theshortsalepro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you had a problem with an upward adjusting ARM reset? I'd like to hear from you. Please email me in confidence ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). I'm preparing a formal complaint/report for those who siged up for low teaser rates...and now are sweating it out. I'm working to petition major lenders to help ease sticker shock and help keep homeownership affordable. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Werner, I both respect and appreciate your comments. Thank You. I only recently moved to Asbury, and I honestly never thought of myself as being an activist of any sort. Since moving here and getting a taste of the way things happen, I found myself more and more compelled to speak my voice, and get involved anyway I can. Asbury Park has a way of grabbing you if you let it. By all means, we need more people to get directly involved. Be careful though it has driven more that one person mad :-) I've never been to a council meeting and I definitely want to attend one. I love Asbury. Come to every meeting you can. Council, Planning Board, Zoning Board in particular. Only then will you begin to see what really goes on. I grew up in the Shore area, living in Eatontown, Long Branch and Allenhurst, and during my life Asbury has always been a place i've loved. I truely miss the Asbury of old. When I was a baby, I was in the baby parade at least once that I can remember. By way of introduction, I have been here since 1978, became involved in City affairs, redevelopment meetings, founded the Historical Society, was appointed City Historian and most recently was excommunicated for all my efforts. Ive probably attended more meetings than anyone alive at this time. Would love to hear your recollections and perspective some time. Werner Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
