[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Doesn't bug me, one bit! Bet it irks the He*l outta you, though! Altruisms are false! Look it up. You'll find at least ONE individual with a differing opinion! Look up the words conservatism, then liberalism. Compare the two! I'll take Freedom, any day! Is that why Conservatives are being caught, at being hypocrites? Scandal after scandal, while fingerpointing. Take a look at the man in the mirror, first! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yea well jambands.com is not your FOX News type media. Also Fox News the biggest ratings on Cable news. That means majority share. It is really bugging Liberals that Conservatives are rising in America! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien lightgrw@ wrote: Thank God that nobody (except for a few fans of Fox News) pays attention to her or believes anything she says... On Sep 10, 2007, at 4:45 PM, Kevin Brown wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u sharon_b283@ wrote: You need help! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: http://www.jambands.com/Features/content_2006_06_23.06.phtml great Ann Coulter Interview... That's the name of her book. Actually: Godless: The church of Liberalism Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Ugly Out There
If I haven't had a chuckle all day, I can count on Jack, with his deadpan look, right out of Mad Magazine! His thought you'd never ask delivery, is a killer, as I double over laughing! Like Fresh Air for the weary of the talking heads, group! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/10/2007 8:50:54 P.M., [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Doesn't bother me at all. I don't follow the mainstream media LOL! Jack Cafferty is getting lots of play with his anti-mainstream claim and his book It's Getting Ugly Out There, published today: Anyone familiar with my daily 'Cafferty File' segments on CNN's The Situation Room knows I'm not exactly what you'd call the mainstream media's poster boy for feel-good news and commentary. In your face is more like it. It's been a target-rich seven years for someone like me who enjoys pushing people's buttons and sticking pins in things that need pricking, from rich and fatuous celebrities offering foreign policy analysis to the latest lying Beltway blowhard impaling himself on his sword of pomposity. Amazon: Jack Cafferty stands for common sense-the much-needed voice of reason who skewers right-wing nut jobs and liberal eggheads alike. (U.D.: egghead - what mrs humpty gives to mr dumpty.)Click here: Amazon.com: It's Getting Ugly Out There: The Frauds, Bunglers, Liars, and Losers Who Are Hurting America: Books: J http://www.amazon.com/Its-Getting-Ugly-Out-There/dp/0470144793/ref=pd_b\ bs_sr_1/104-8218062-7719155?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1189477397sr=8-1 Out today and already # 54 at Amazon. I think his first book. Book jacket: He's an equal-opportunity curmudgeon. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Fire Sales?
-thanks kev..good point. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Being a Conservative take more work than being a Liberal. If you're a liberal anything goes. One issue to watch in the future is National Healthcare. It is true that liberals have no god and that being said, euthanasia will become part of the National Healthcare program. I would imagine you would just check-in to a check-out center. --- justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not talking about Jersey Kevin. For you to say Conservativism is on the rise nationally - well you just aren't paying attention. The only issue out there is Iraq. All other issues that define people as conservative or liberal are barely in the political picture. If you are going to be a political advisor, you'd better be able to survey the landscape. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: It is really bugging Liberals that Conservatives are rising in America! Errr, you don't follow politics too much, do you? My political view is way beyond the local arena! New jersey is not the litmus... Watch come this Sunday - should be interesting. On the eve of The anniversary of terrorist attacks on the WTC, the Pentegon and Flight 93 - even crazed Rosie declaring we killed 655,000 Iraqi citizens. I don't know who is doing her math? Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] City, Board of Ed, the State and...
REad today's press on the school board, pre-k, board offices etc etc. Only in AP no one knows what the other wants to do. And the state paid $5.2m for the building which has sat empty. SOS. Go Frank Go. See Frank Go. Go Frank Go. Make sense out of it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Yesterday's Los Angeles Times reported the findings of researchers at NYU and UCLA: Study finds left-wing brain, right wing brain: Even in humdrum nonpolitical decisions, liberals and conservatives literally think differently, researchers show. Click here: Study finds left-wing brain, right-wing brain - Los Angeles Times http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-sci-politics10sep10,1\ ,7735909.story?coll=la-headlines-nationctrack=1cset=true Those who prefer the primary source can find it here:Neurocognitive correlates of liberalism and conservatism David M Amodio, John T Jost, Sarah L Master Cindy M Yee Published online: 09 September 2007 | doi:10.1038/nn1979 Abstract http://www.nature.com/neuro/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/nn1979.html | Full text http://www.nature.com/neuro/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nn1979.html | PDF (139K) http://www.nature.com/neuro/journal/vaop/ncurrent/pdf/nn1979.pdf | Supplementary Information http://www.nature.com/neuro/journal/vaop/ncurrent/suppinfo/nn1979_S1.ht\ ml[http://www.nature.com/images/spacer.gif] [http://www.nature.com/neuro/images/spacer_green.gif] [http://www.nature.com/images/spacer.gif] In a message dated 9/10/2007 5:34:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Man I really pity anybody that thinks she's telling the truth. She's an entertainer if that. On Sep 10, 2007, at 5:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wake up people. Ann Coulter is not stating anything that isn't true. -Original Message- From: Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 4:53 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God Thank God that nobody (except for a few fans of Fox News) pays attention to her or believes anything she says... On Sep 10, 2007, at 4:45 PM, Kevin Brown wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com , 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You need help! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com ups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: http://www.jambands http://www.jambands.com/Features/content_2006_06_23.06.phtml .com/Features/content_2006_06_23.06.phtml great Ann Coulter Interview... That's the name of her book. Actually: Godless: The church of Liberalism
[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
So here's what always bothers me a bit about the modern day conservative. As I understand it conservative philosophy at it's heart is about limited government. Limited assistance and also limited involvement in individual decisions. And while I don't always agree with individual application of that philosophy I do respect it and in many cases think there is significant merit to it. But those who consider themselves conservatives today have perverted that philosophy. It's no longer limited government. Now it's limited government involvement unless someone wants to do something we don't like - then the government needs to mandate how everyone should live. There are so many examples of this, from Terry Shiavo (I know I can't spell) to fighting gay marriage (why is it the government's business who marries who) to a women's right to choose. There are so many other examples... If conservatives are about limited government and liberals are about government involvement then I think the only real conservatives left are the Libertains. Because those who today label themselves conservative are often just religious liberal, using the government to drive their own agenda just as traditional liberals do. The only difference is that atleast traditional liberals are honest about it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hemeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Being a Conservative take more work than being a Liberal. If you're a liberal anything goes. One issue to watch in the future is National Healthcare. It is true that liberals have no god and that being said, euthanasia will become part of the National Healthcare program. I would imagine you would just check-in to a check-out center. --- justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not talking about Jersey Kevin. For you to say Conservativism is on the rise nationally - well you just aren't paying attention. The only issue out there is Iraq. All other issues that define people as conservative or liberal are barely in the political picture. If you are going to be a political advisor, you'd better be able to survey the landscape. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: It is really bugging Liberals that Conservatives are rising in America! Errr, you don't follow politics too much, do you? My political view is way beyond the local arena! New jersey is not the litmus... Watch come this Sunday - should be interesting. On the eve of The anniversary of terrorist attacks on the WTC, the Pentegon and Flight 93 - even crazed Rosie declaring we killed 655,000 Iraqi citizens. I don't know who is doing her math? __ __ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: City, Board of Ed, the State and...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: REad today's press on the school board, pre-k, board offices etc etc. Only in AP no one knows what the other wants to do. And the state paid $5.2m for the building which has sat empty. SOS. Go Frank Go. See Frank Go. Go Frank Go. Make sense out of it. I actually feel the same way about the lack of communication. How in the world would the BOE know what the council was up to especially with respect to the Braverman building when just a week previous, council members were quoted as saying that the building they were negotiating for was in the Redevelopment Zone? Mr. Bruno was quoted as saying that the developers probably would want something in return for taking that building out the zone (maybe extra floors for their luxury condos, etc.) How's this for chutzpah: years ago the council condemned the BOE administration building (public property) to hand it over to private developer and felon Kushner without so much as consulting the Board. For what it is worth, this is my recollection of last week's council meeting. (For health reasons I do not go to council meetings. The only reason I attended this one was because I had visited Werner in the county jail that afternoon and hoped to speak to people who would be at the council meeting. I also considered speaking about the treatment of Werner at the public comment portion of the meeting. That became moot when I left the meeting abruptly.) Monday, September 10, 2007 I was at the Asbury Park City Council meeting of Wednesday, September 5, 2007. I arrived shortly after 7 PM. The 6 PM Workshop meeting was still going on when I arrived. Toward the end of that Workshop meeting (about 8 PM), Councilman Loffredo announced to the people in the meeting, including many senior citizens present who were prepared to submit a petition to the council concerning the lack of progress in the 5-year search for a permanent Senior Center, that he had good news. Mr. Loffredo said that the city was acquiring the Braverman Building as the new Senior Center. Since I had been involved along with the Board of Ed President Robert DiSanto and the Superintendent of Schools at the time, Dr. Lewis, I was shocked to hear Mr. Loffredo say that since I knew that was the same building which the now-defunct SCC had bought for the Board of Ed to be torn down and replaced with a state of the art Early Childhood Learning Center. We had been working on the plans for many years, and the only thing that prevented further progress was the fact that the SCC had run out of money. When Mr. Loffredo made his announcement, there was a cheer from the senior citizens present. At that time, I went over to one of the Senior leaders, Mrs. Marianne Kisloski, and explained that this was the property that was supposed to house the ECLC. I expressed my displeasure that the Council seemed to be pitting one group against the other by making this announcement, when no more than a week previous, it had been announced that the building for which the Council was negotiating was in the Redevelopment Zone (about a half mile away from the Braverman Building), and according to the deputy Mayor, the negotiations had to be secret and the Developers would have to be in on the negotiations as well as the unnamed building's owners since they would probably want something in return for the taking a building out of that zone. Here it was a week later and the building now being acquired was nowhere near the redevelopment zone. When that Workshop meeting ended and there was a short recess, I asked the reporter for the Asbury Park Press, Ms. Nancy Shields, if she had heard what I had heard. She said she did, and at that point I approached the City Manager, Mr. Terry Reidy, for an explanation. I prefaced my remarks by saying that this was yet another instance of the Council refusing to communicate with the BOE that would cause a huge problem, like they did when they condemned the BOE's Administration building without so much as consulting with the BOE. I said they were now creating a conflict between the Seniors and the kids, and the BOE would be made to be the villains. At that point he said that he knew that the BOE had sent a letter to the State saying we were no longer interested in the Braverman Building as an ECLC! I reminded him that I was a member of the BOE, was involved in the discussions about the building including having commented on renderings of the proposed facility, in which way the new building should be oriented (the Braverman building was parallel to the railroad tracks), where the drop-off for the buses would be, etc., etc. I told him I wanted to see a copy of the letter he was talking about. At that point (about 8:15 PM), the so-called 7 PM regular meeting was gaveled to order. I was so upset
[AsburyPark] Re: City, Board of Ed, the State and...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: REad today's press on the school board, pre-k, board offices etc etc. Only in AP no one knows what the other wants to do. And the state paid $5.2m for the building which has sat empty. SOS. Go Frank Go. See Frank Go. Go Frank Go. Make sense out of it. PS I neglected to state above that I DO NOT SPEAK FOR THE ASBURY PARK BOE. I speak only as one of nine board members. I apologize for not including that disclaimer in my previous long statement. Frank Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: City, Board of Ed, the State and...
--maybe whomever sent that letter is the same who called in Werner's body. This is classic. There's so much room to build new in AP and improve and serve, yet they spent a ton to aquire a building that has to e knocked down. Real interesting. While Long Branch and Neptune managed to empty the SCC funds of over $300 million, AP got zip. Wonder why. (note no question mark) See Frank Run. Run Frank Run. It's a one horse town. One thought process. How about the seniors take up space, that the city can pay for, in Asbury Towers? Or they can get a couple penthouses at the Seville. $2m and they get 2 units around 4,000 sq ft, ocean view etc. Be cheaper then anything the city would ever come up. Get ocean views, bathrooms, game room, gym, little tiny pool, card room Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Fire Sales?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I worry about metro Allan, I have seen this comment from you more than once. I think it is irresponsible to comment on a builder without having any fact to back up your statement. What specific information do you have that leads to be so worried about Metro? John - Original Message From: oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 11:36:29 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Fire Sales? A beachfront condo in North Wildwood, N.J., had its $500,000 price slashed by $106,000. (20%) And a $1.6 million estate in Morris County, N.J., got lowered by nearly $100,000. (less then 1%) Hov taking advantage of the free negative PR. We've been talking 20% price drops for over 6 months now. Sales call at The Esperanza today... Time to clean off the crystal ball for the next read. Country Wide is the lender on next weeks auction by Sheldon Good for the 4th Ave condo convert. _ ___ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Berkeley Carteret Hotel
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's what you get to enjoy if you spend $190 a night I guess i don't understand some posts regarding the Berkeley. So, people complain that they don't want the oceanfront to look like the mall of america and every other boring town. Then someone comes in and spends money to renovate the building. Does something different and attempts to bring a W Hotel feel or a lower manhattan eclectic funky feel to the place and that is a problem. What exactly should be done, im curious? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Special Pray
Special Pray goes out for the people that pass away on 9/11/2001 from the Veterans Alliance sometimes our Fireman are forgotten until something bad happens.They are a large part of this Foundation of this City of Asbury Park lets remember that next time we go by our waterway flag flying in the wind.They are a large part of the reason I wanted a flag flying on our waterway.A flag also hangs under a picture of George Washington in the VFW Building with all the names of the people that pass away on 9/11/2001. God Bless all there Families. James Grabe Patriot Officer Veterans Alliance Asbury Park N.J. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Berkeley Carteret Hotel
I think the problem is that the exterior of the building doesn't reflect what may be going on inside. If you were to spend $190 a night to stay there, and you pulled up in front, wouldn't you balk at the sight of broken and boarded up windows? I for one would love to see a great funky hotel in the city, but, I think it's premature to expect people to come and spend that kind of money yet. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: That's what you get to enjoy if you spend $190 a night I guess i don't understand some posts regarding the Berkeley. So, people complain that they don't want the oceanfront to look like the mall of america and every other boring town. Then someone comes in and spends money to renovate the building. Does something different and attempts to bring a W Hotel feel or a lower manhattan eclectic funky feel to the place and that is a problem. What exactly should be done, im curious? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Berkeley Carteret Hotel
During the summer a few years ago they were charging almost that much money before anything was done. We moved to Atlanta for a year and wanted to get our Asbury fix during a visit in March. Even then the rooms were about $100. We rented one of the Presidential suites for $175 a night. I'm not sure what country the president who would have stayed in that room was from, but we had many good laughs while we tried to avoid stepping on the floor with bare feet. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the problem is that the exterior of the building doesn't reflect what may be going on inside. If you were to spend $190 a night to stay there, and you pulled up in front, wouldn't you balk at the sight of broken and boarded up windows? I for one would love to see a great funky hotel in the city, but, I think it's premature to expect people to come and spend that kind of money yet. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 dsher4@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: That's what you get to enjoy if you spend $190 a night I guess i don't understand some posts regarding the Berkeley. So, people complain that they don't want the oceanfront to look like the mall of america and every other boring town. Then someone comes in and spends money to renovate the building. Does something different and attempts to bring a W Hotel feel or a lower manhattan eclectic funky feel to the place and that is a problem. What exactly should be done, im curious? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Berkeley Carteret Hotel
I disagree on all points. There are lush apartments in old buildings in the meat packing district that have been transformed into very cool apt's. There are dance clubs in old churches (see the limelight). I've been to hotels in France which are 400 years old and have a funky retro bar inside. I think when something is unique and old outside and funky inside it adds something to a place. I agree on boarded up windows but that is temporary im sure. Lastly, in any other beach town on the entire shore you pay $150-$160 per night at a minimum to stay in some shitty little motel sometimes blocks from the beach. Nobody thought you could charge $14 for a crab cake on the asbury boardwalk either and Salt Water Cafe was jammed all summer. I think the problem is that the exterior of the building doesn't reflect what may be going on inside. If you were to spend $190 a night to stay there, and you pulled up in front, wouldn't you balk at the sight of broken and boarded up windows? I for one would love to see a great funky hotel in the city, but, I think it's premature to expect people to come and spend that kind of money yet. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 dsher4@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: That's what you get to enjoy if you spend $190 a night I guess i don't understand some posts regarding the Berkeley. So, people complain that they don't want the oceanfront to look like the mall of america and every other boring town. Then someone comes in and spends money to renovate the building. Does something different and attempts to bring a W Hotel feel or a lower manhattan eclectic funky feel to the place and that is a problem. What exactly should be done, im curious? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Berkeley Carteret Hotel
I've been to cool funky hotels all over the planet. Funky and old outside is one thing, but wouldn't you be a little dismayed if you spent that kind of money and pulled up and saw broken and boarded up windows? What about windows that are open despite the fact that it's raining outside? I think that if you are gonna pay $190 a night for a hotel, no matter where it is, the company that owns that hotel should make an effort to have the exterior reflect what you are about to experience. Boarded up and broken windows, no matter how temporary, don't exactly serve a hotel trying to get it's feet off the ground well. But, maybe i'm wrong. Finally, and i'm not sure about this, but I think it's now just called The Berkley, which is a good move, because the last few years as the Berkley Carteret weren't very kind to the hotel. Go to tripadvisor.com and check out the reviews. Not a flattering picture at all. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I disagree on all points. There are lush apartments in old buildings in the meat packing district that have been transformed into very cool apt's. There are dance clubs in old churches (see the limelight). I've been to hotels in France which are 400 years old and have a funky retro bar inside. I think when something is unique and old outside and funky inside it adds something to a place. I agree on boarded up windows but that is temporary im sure. Lastly, in any other beach town on the entire shore you pay $150-$160 per night at a minimum to stay in some shitty little motel sometimes blocks from the beach. Nobody thought you could charge $14 for a crab cake on the asbury boardwalk either and Salt Water Cafe was jammed all summer. I think the problem is that the exterior of the building doesn't reflect what may be going on inside. If you were to spend $190 a night to stay there, and you pulled up in front, wouldn't you balk at the sight of broken and boarded up windows? I for one would love to see a great funky hotel in the city, but, I think it's premature to expect people to come and spend that kind of money yet. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 dsher4@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: That's what you get to enjoy if you spend $190 a night I guess i don't understand some posts regarding the Berkeley. So, people complain that they don't want the oceanfront to look like the mall of america and every other boring town. Then someone comes in and spends money to renovate the building. Does something different and attempts to bring a W Hotel feel or a lower manhattan eclectic funky feel to the place and that is a problem. What exactly should be done, im curious? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Berkeley Carteret Hotel
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess i don't understand some posts regarding the Berkeley. So, people complain that they don't want the oceanfront to look like the mall of america and every other boring town. Then someone comes in and spends money to renovate the building. Does something different and attempts to bring a W Hotel feel or a lower manhattan eclectic funky feel to the place and that is a problem. What exactly should be done, im curious? = What should be done? Build on the unique identity and character of Asbury Park. This is not NYC, Miami, Timbuktu or any other place. This is Asbury Park, NJ, USA. The Greatest damage being done to Asbury Park, both culturally and economically, is failure to take advantage of its intrinsic assets. Attemping to turn this City into someplace else is what's killing it. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
The examples you have given equal religion vs. no religion. Pick one of your examples. Let me make it perfectly clear, in my opinion, religion causes more problems than it is worth. How many of the people that were busted in NJ's political scandal a few days ago were Republican vs. Democrat? I don't know the breakdown but if I were to venture a guess I would say Democrat. asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So here's what always bothers me a bit about the modern day conservative. As I understand it conservative philosophy at it's heart is about limited government. Limited assistance and also limited involvement in individual decisions. And while I don't always agree with individual application of that philosophy I do respect it and in many cases think there is significant merit to it. But those who consider themselves conservatives today have perverted that philosophy. It's no longer limited government. Now it's limited government involvement unless someone wants to do something we don't like - then the government needs to mandate how everyone should live. There are so many examples of this, from Terry Shiavo (I know I can't spell) to fighting gay marriage (why is it the government's business who marries who) to a women's right to choose. There are so many other examples... If conservatives are about limited government and liberals are about government involvement then I think the only real conservatives left are the Libertains. Because those who today label themselves conservative are often just religious liberal, using the government to drive their own agenda just as traditional liberals do. The only difference is that atleast traditional liberals are honest about it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hemeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Being a Conservative take more work than being a Liberal. If you're a liberal anything goes. One issue to watch in the future is National Healthcare. It is true that liberals have no god and that being said, euthanasia will become part of the National Healthcare program. I would imagine you would just check-in to a check-out center. --- justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not talking about Jersey Kevin. For you to say Conservativism is on the rise nationally - well you just aren't paying attention. The only issue out there is Iraq. All other issues that define people as conservative or liberal are barely in the political picture. If you are going to be a political advisor, you'd better be able to survey the landscape. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: It is really bugging Liberals that Conservatives are rising in America! Errr, you don't follow politics too much, do you? My political view is way beyond the local arena! New jersey is not the litmus... Watch come this Sunday - should be interesting. On the eve of The anniversary of terrorist attacks on the WTC, the Pentegon and Flight 93 - even crazed Rosie declaring we killed 655,000 Iraqi citizens. I don't know who is doing her math? __ __ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 - Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links.
[AsburyPark] Re: Berkeley Carteret Hotel
FYI.hotels.com has rooms for $132.00 and the Berkeley Hotel is matching the internet rate for my stay there tomorrow as well as upgrading me to an ocean view room. Once this becomes a full service hotel I am sure they will be able to command a rate even higher than $190.00 per night I stayed at the hotel 2 weeks ago and besides some minor inconveniences it was a pleaseant stay. I became very dizzy in the room bescause there was about 20 different patterns that shot out at me as I opened the door.some how it all works though! I think it is a great addtition to town.however they need to enhance the curb appeal.such as landscaping and windows.these little things can go a long way. I understand they are spending $25,000 per room for renovationsfurniture is very high end. John --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been to cool funky hotels all over the planet. Funky and old outside is one thing, but wouldn't you be a little dismayed if you spent that kind of money and pulled up and saw broken and boarded up windows? What about windows that are open despite the fact that it's raining outside? I think that if you are gonna pay $190 a night for a hotel, no matter where it is, the company that owns that hotel should make an effort to have the exterior reflect what you are about to experience. Boarded up and broken windows, no matter how temporary, don't exactly serve a hotel trying to get it's feet off the ground well. But, maybe i'm wrong. Finally, and i'm not sure about this, but I think it's now just called The Berkley, which is a good move, because the last few years as the Berkley Carteret weren't very kind to the hotel. Go to tripadvisor.com and check out the reviews. Not a flattering picture at all. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 dsher4@ wrote: I disagree on all points. There are lush apartments in old buildings in the meat packing district that have been transformed into very cool apt's. There are dance clubs in old churches (see the limelight). I've been to hotels in France which are 400 years old and have a funky retro bar inside. I think when something is unique and old outside and funky inside it adds something to a place. I agree on boarded up windows but that is temporary im sure. Lastly, in any other beach town on the entire shore you pay $150-$160 per night at a minimum to stay in some shitty little motel sometimes blocks from the beach. Nobody thought you could charge $14 for a crab cake on the asbury boardwalk either and Salt Water Cafe was jammed all summer. I think the problem is that the exterior of the building doesn't reflect what may be going on inside. If you were to spend $190 a night to stay there, and you pulled up in front, wouldn't you balk at the sight of broken and boarded up windows? I for one would love to see a great funky hotel in the city, but, I think it's premature to expect people to come and spend that kind of money yet. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 dsher4@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: That's what you get to enjoy if you spend $190 a night I guess i don't understand some posts regarding the Berkeley. So, people complain that they don't want the oceanfront to look like the mall of america and every other boring town. Then someone comes in and spends money to renovate the building. Does something different and attempts to bring a W Hotel feel or a lower manhattan eclectic funky feel to the place and that is a problem. What exactly should be done, im curious? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Berkeley Carteret Hotel
I agree that it could be a great addition to the town, and despite what i've said about the exterior, I hope they succeed. What cracks me up is what hotels.com is listing as the area attractions; Monmouth Mall - 5.5 miles Shore Performing Arts Center - 2.5 miles Paramount Theatre Convention Center - 0.7 mile Hollywood Golf Club - 2.0 miles Monmouth Mall? that's an attraction? Once upon a time, Asbury Park was THE attraction. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, nobepeymay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI.hotels.com has rooms for $132.00 and the Berkeley Hotel is matching the internet rate for my stay there tomorrow as well as upgrading me to an ocean view room. Once this becomes a full service hotel I am sure they will be able to command a rate even higher than $190.00 per night I stayed at the hotel 2 weeks ago and besides some minor inconveniences it was a pleaseant stay. I became very dizzy in the room bescause there was about 20 different patterns that shot out at me as I opened the door.some how it all works though! I think it is a great addtition to town.however they need to enhance the curb appeal.such as landscaping and windows.these little things can go a long way. I understand they are spending $25,000 per room for renovationsfurniture is very high end. John --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: I've been to cool funky hotels all over the planet. Funky and old outside is one thing, but wouldn't you be a little dismayed if you spent that kind of money and pulled up and saw broken and boarded up windows? What about windows that are open despite the fact that it's raining outside? I think that if you are gonna pay $190 a night for a hotel, no matter where it is, the company that owns that hotel should make an effort to have the exterior reflect what you are about to experience. Boarded up and broken windows, no matter how temporary, don't exactly serve a hotel trying to get it's feet off the ground well. But, maybe i'm wrong. Finally, and i'm not sure about this, but I think it's now just called The Berkley, which is a good move, because the last few years as the Berkley Carteret weren't very kind to the hotel. Go to tripadvisor.com and check out the reviews. Not a flattering picture at all. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 dsher4@ wrote: I disagree on all points. There are lush apartments in old buildings in the meat packing district that have been transformed into very cool apt's. There are dance clubs in old churches (see the limelight). I've been to hotels in France which are 400 years old and have a funky retro bar inside. I think when something is unique and old outside and funky inside it adds something to a place. I agree on boarded up windows but that is temporary im sure. Lastly, in any other beach town on the entire shore you pay $150-$160 per night at a minimum to stay in some shitty little motel sometimes blocks from the beach. Nobody thought you could charge $14 for a crab cake on the asbury boardwalk either and Salt Water Cafe was jammed all summer. I think the problem is that the exterior of the building doesn't reflect what may be going on inside. If you were to spend $190 a night to stay there, and you pulled up in front, wouldn't you balk at the sight of broken and boarded up windows? I for one would love to see a great funky hotel in the city, but, I think it's premature to expect people to come and spend that kind of money yet. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 dsher4@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: That's what you get to enjoy if you spend $190 a night I guess i don't understand some posts regarding the Berkeley. So, people complain that they don't want the oceanfront to look like the mall of america and every other boring town. Then someone comes in and spends money to renovate the building. Does something different and attempts to bring a W Hotel feel or a lower manhattan eclectic funky feel to the place and that is a problem. What exactly should be done, im curious? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Berkeley Carteret Hotel
I hear you on keeping it unique, but those are all generalities and not solutions to what it should look like and how you should take advantage of asbury's intrinsic asssets as it relates to this structure. I'm just curious how you think that should be done at the Berkeley. Also who knows what they have planned for restaurants events etc... = What should be done? Build on the unique identity and character of Asbury Park. This is not NYC, Miami, Timbuktu or any other place. This is Asbury Park, NJ, USA. The Greatest damage being done to Asbury Park, both culturally and economically, is failure to take advantage of its intrinsic assets. Attemping to turn this City into someplace else is what's killing it. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: City, Board of Ed, the State and...
Sounds like the borad of ed does not need this building and a senior facility is needed. Board of Ed is currently running without 1 school. So use that. Sell the Braverman building to the city. Next take that money to renovate and clean the Bang school building. You can use that for the preschool and the borad of ed offices. This not only fixes the problems but would also reduce costs becuase you would not need to lease office space. Could it be this simple? - Original Message From: asburycheech [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 7:57:18 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: City, Board of Ed, the State and... --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: REad today's press on the school board, pre-k, board offices etc etc. Only in AP no one knows what the other wants to do. And the state paid $5.2m for the building which has sat empty. SOS. Go Frank Go. See Frank Go. Go Frank Go. Make sense out of it. I actually feel the same way about the lack of communication. How in the world would the BOE know what the council was up to especially with respect to the Braverman building when just a week previous, council members were quoted as saying that the building they were negotiating for was in the Redevelopment Zone? Mr. Bruno was quoted as saying that the developers probably would want something in return for taking that building out the zone (maybe extra floors for their luxury condos, etc.) How's this for chutzpah: years ago the council condemned the BOE administration building (public property) to hand it over to private developer and felon Kushner without so much as consulting the Board. For what it is worth, this is my recollection of last week's council meeting. (For health reasons I do not go to council meetings. The only reason I attended this one was because I had visited Werner in the county jail that afternoon and hoped to speak to people who would be at the council meeting. I also considered speaking about the treatment of Werner at the public comment portion of the meeting. That became moot when I left the meeting abruptly.) Monday, September 10, 2007 I was at the Asbury Park City Council meeting of Wednesday, September 5, 2007. I arrived shortly after 7 PM. The 6 PM Workshop meeting was still going on when I arrived. Toward the end of that Workshop meeting (about 8 PM), Councilman Loffredo announced to the people in the meeting, including many senior citizens present who were prepared to submit a petition to the council concerning the lack of progress in the 5-year search for a permanent Senior Center, that he had good news. Mr. Loffredo said that the city was acquiring the Braverman Building as the new Senior Center. Since I had been involved along with the Board of Ed President Robert DiSanto and the Superintendent of Schools at the time, Dr. Lewis, I was shocked to hear Mr. Loffredo say that since I knew that was the same building which the now-defunct SCC had bought for the Board of Ed to be torn down and replaced with a state of the art Early Childhood Learning Center. We had been working on the plans for many years, and the only thing that prevented further progress was the fact that the SCC had run out of money. When Mr. Loffredo made his announcement, there was a cheer from the senior citizens present. At that time, I went over to one of the Senior leaders, Mrs. Marianne Kisloski, and explained that this was the property that was supposed to house the ECLC. I expressed my displeasure that the Council seemed to be pitting one group against the other by making this announcement, when no more than a week previous, it had been announced that the building for which the Council was negotiating was in the Redevelopment Zone (about a half mile away from the Braverman Building), and according to the deputy Mayor, the negotiations had to be secret and the Developers would have to be in on the negotiations as well as the unnamed building's owners since they would probably want something in return for the taking a building out of that zone. Here it was a week later and the building now being acquired was nowhere near the redevelopment zone. When that Workshop meeting ended and there was a short recess, I asked the reporter for the Asbury Park Press, Ms. Nancy Shields, if she had heard what I had heard. She said she did, and at that point I approached the City Manager, Mr. Terry Reidy, for an explanation. I prefaced my remarks by saying that this was yet another instance of the Council refusing to communicate with the BOE that would cause a huge problem, like they did when they condemned the BOE's Administration building without so much as consulting with the BOE. I said they were now creating a conflict between the Seniors and the kids, and the BOE would be made to be the villains. At that point he said that he knew that the BOE had sent a letter to the State saying we were no longer
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Fire Sales?
I do not claim to have specific information. I have said in previous post that I don't believe one could advertise out of this slump. While it is good for the town, and the other developers who currently have product to sell, it make me worried. I did not slander the company, state they were going bankrupt or were looking to get out of Asbury. Simply said thier actions make me nervous which is an opinion. Isn't this board for opinions? I do not pretend to be a news reporter so I am hard pressed to see how this is irresponsible. I wish them the best of luck and I love the design and marketing of the project. Just some of the business decisions make me wonder and the 2 projects they company is involved in right now, are really big. - Original Message From: nobepeymay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 8:57:44 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Fire Sales? --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ ... wrote: I worry about metro Allan, I have seen this comment from you more than once. I think it is irresponsible to comment on a builder without having any fact to back up your statement. What specific information do you have that leads to be so worried about Metro? John - Original Message From: oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 11:36:29 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Fire Sales? A beachfront condo in North Wildwood, N.J., had its $500,000 price slashed by $106,000. (20%) And a $1.6 million estate in Morris County, N.J., got lowered by nearly $100,000. (less then 1%) Hov taking advantage of the free negative PR. We've been talking 20% price drops for over 6 months now. Sales call at The Esperanza today... Time to clean off the crystal ball for the next read. Country Wide is the lender on next weeks auction by Sheldon Good for the 4th Ave condo convert. _ _ _ _ _ _ ___ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers. yahoo.com/ dir/?link= listsid= 396545433 Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC
[AsburyPark] Re: Berkeley Carteret Hotel
The berkley will be filled all summer long. Look north to deal. All the clients they need to fill it in the summer, the coming holidays and more. As far as funky and what works. Walk through South Beach, move away the curtains and lights. You can also walk into someplace like Mattison Park or the Brick Sure the exterior could be cleaned up faster. Pretty cool when you can operate with NO name on the building as you drive up. MAkes a statement. So would spraying the building white, real cool color lighting, the bentleys and the rest of carsthe great looking people... $190 night will be a dream rate. THE BERKLEY will be real cool, in its own way. It was falling apart and if partners had gotten their hands on it, who knows what would of happened. Probably would of hung some big $2.00 coors light banners around the place. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Berkeley Carteret Hotel
Asbury has always evolved. 30's were different from the 50's which was differnet from the 70's which was MUCH different from the 90's. The owners are taking this hotel and bringing it back to life. Time will tell if they are correct in their choices. They own it and are funding it so people should not be so hard on them. Atleast wait for the finished product before you judge. - Original Message From: wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 9:58:33 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Berkeley Carteret Hotel --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, dsher4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess i don't understand some posts regarding the Berkeley. So, people complain that they don't want the oceanfront to look like the mall of america and every other boring town. Then someone comes in and spends money to renovate the building. Does something different and attempts to bring a W Hotel feel or a lower manhattan eclectic funky feel to the place and that is a problem. What exactly should be done, im curious? = = = = = = === What should be done? Build on the unique identity and character of Asbury Park. This is not NYC, Miami, Timbuktu or any other place. This is Asbury Park, NJ, USA. The Greatest damage being done to Asbury Park, both culturally and economically, is failure to take advantage of its intrinsic assets. Attemping to turn this City into someplace else is what's killing it. Werner Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=summer+activities+for+kidscs=bz
[AsburyPark] Photo Caption on a group photo
Ass Burzachelli on Nevin's radio show Can somebody explain this to me? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Photo Caption on a group photo
Um...that has nothing at all to do with the question I asked. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The radio show must be referring to Asbury Radio which has been off the air for several months and I am unsure if there is even a date to bring it back. From the report I read, it sounds like the program is ready to resume, but the station would prefer to hold off at the moment. - Original Message From: Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 11:46:26 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Photo Caption on a group photo Ass Burzachelli on Nevin's radio show Can somebody explain this to me? Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Photo Caption on a group photo
The radio show must be referring to Asbury Radio which has been off the air for several months and I am unsure if there is even a date to bring it back. From the report I read, it sounds like the program is ready to resume, but the station would prefer to hold off at the moment. - Original Message From: Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 11:46:26 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Photo Caption on a group photo Ass Burzachelli on Nevin's radio show Can somebody explain this to me? Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Gary, Most people on this thread are entertainers...and bad ones at that! -Original Message- From: Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 5:28 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God Man I really pity anybody that thinks she's telling the truth.? She's an entertainer? if that. On Sep 10, 2007, at 5:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wake up people.? Ann Coulter is not stating anything that isn't true. -Original Message- From: Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 4:53 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God Thank God that nobody (except for a few fans of Fox News) pays attention to her or believes anything she says... On Sep 10, 2007, at 4:45 PM, Kevin Brown wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You need help! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: http://www.jambands.com/Features/content_2006_06_23.06.phtml great Ann Coulter Interview... That's the name of her book. Actually: Godless: The church of Liberalism Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: City, Board of Ed, the State and...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like the borad of ed does not need this building and a senior facility is needed. Board of Ed is currently running without 1 school. So use that. Sell the Braverman building to the city. Perhaps you missed the detail of the State having purchased the Baverman site. It is not owned my the Board of ED. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Berkeley Carteret Hotel
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hear you on keeping it unique, but those are all generalities and not solutions to what it should look like and how you should take advantage of asbury's intrinsic asssets as it relates to this structure. I'm just curious how you think that should be done at the Berkeley. Also who knows what they have planned for restaurants events etc... === Generalities and guidelines form the basic path to end product, so yes the do matter. As to the BCH - It's one of very few rmaining pre-depession era structures in the country, most of which have been razed in the name of progress. It is characterized by intricate brickwork, cast stone, plasterwork, tarrazzo, etc. All indicative of the quality construction and architechture practices of the 1920s. The roaring 20's, a time of prosperity and leasure who's evidence is disappearing around the country at an alarming rate. A major high point in Asbury Park is the 1920-1940 timeframe. That should be used as the basis for building upon since many of the structures from that era still exist. I think most people do not understand preservation economics and have a 'knee-jerk reaction to the topic, assuming that it is advocating keeping things old. That is certainly not the case. The new should co-exist with history, not destroy it. Funky, new spaces in classic buildings are fine until one realizes that it just becomes cookie-cutter, and the funkyness becomes like the generic shopping mall. The BCH (and Asbury Park in general) is best treated in a way that builds upon its unique design and architecture. Werner Porch (my jail mane) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: City, Board of Ed, the State and...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is the Braverman building 601 Grand Ave., the now vacant building where the Brookdale Annex was until a few weeks ago? == No, Its the grey cube on Memorial Drive. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: City, Board of Ed, the State and...
so the city buys the building from the state, the state funds the board of ed, so maybe the state loans the board the money to renovate and the movey saved from the lease, go to repay the loan. - Original Message From: wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 12:29:10 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: City, Board of Ed, the State and... --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ ... wrote: Sounds like the borad of ed does not need this building and a senior facility is needed. Board of Ed is currently running without 1 school. So use that. Sell the Braverman building to the city. = = = = = = == Perhaps you missed the detail of the State having purchased the Baverman site. It is not owned my the Board of ED. Werner Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Photo Caption on a group photo
thought you were asking about the radio program - Original Message From: Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 12:14:26 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Photo Caption on a group photo Um...that has nothing at all to do with the question I asked. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ ... wrote: The radio show must be referring to Asbury Radio which has been off the air for several months and I am unsure if there is even a date to bring it back. From the report I read, it sounds like the program is ready to resume, but the station would prefer to hold off at the moment. - Original Message From: Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 11:46:26 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Photo Caption on a group photo Ass Burzachelli on Nevin's radio show Can somebody explain this to me? _ _ _ _ _ _ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile. yahoo.com/ go?refer= 1GNXIC Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469
[AsburyPark] Re: Berkeley Carteret Hotel
Re: Berkeley Carteret Hotel --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hear you on keeping it unique, but those are all generalities and not solutions to what it should look like and how you should take advantage of asbury's intrinsic asssets as it relates to this structure. I'm just curious how you think that should be done at the Berkeley. Also who knows what they have planned for restaurants events etc... === Generalities and guidelines form the basic path to end product, so yes they do matter. As to the BCH - It's one of very few rmaining pre-depession era structures in the country, most of which have been razed in the name of progress. It is characterized by intricate brickwork, cast stone, plasterwork, tarrazzo, etc. All indicative of the quality construction and architechture practices of the 1920s. The roaring 20's, a time of prosperity and leasure who's evidence is disappearing around the country at an alarming rate. A major high point in Asbury Park is the 1920-1940 timeframe. That should be used as the basis for building upon since many of the structures from that era still exist. I think most people do not understand preservation economics and have a 'knee-jerk reaction to the topic, assuming that it is advocating keeping things old. That is certainly not the case. The new should co-exist with history, not destroy it. Funky, new spaces in classic buildings are fine until one realizes that it just becomes cookie-cutter, and the funkyness becomes like the generic shopping mall. The BCH (and Asbury Park in general) is best treated in a way that builds upon its unique design and architecture. Werner Porch (my jail name) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Berkeley Carteret Hotel
Glad you're back - 'porch' The post's were getting boring here. Bill ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Why is it true that liberals have no God? Did the Republican Party monopolize religion? On Sep 11, 2007, at 6:47 AM, Mike Hemeon wrote: Being a Conservative take more work than being a Liberal. If you're a liberal anything goes. One issue to watch in the future is National Healthcare. It is true that liberals have no god and that being said, euthanasia will become part of the National Healthcare program. I would imagine you would just check-in to a check-out center. --- justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not talking about Jersey Kevin. For you to say Conservativism is on the rise nationally - well you just aren't paying attention. The only issue out there is Iraq. All other issues that define people as conservative or liberal are barely in the political picture. If you are going to be a political advisor, you'd better be able to survey the landscape. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: It is really bugging Liberals that Conservatives are rising in America! Errr, you don't follow politics too much, do you? My political view is way beyond the local arena! New jersey is not the litmus... Watch come this Sunday - should be interesting. On the eve of The anniversary of terrorist attacks on the WTC, the Pentegon and Flight 93 - even crazed Rosie declaring we killed 655,000 Iraqi citizens. I don't know who is doing her math? __ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Berkeley Carteret Hotel
I don't want to post my thoughts on this yet, but is the hotel even open yet?? I suspect it is, but it's probably no where near being done. How can anyone judge it??? Anyone who stays there would clearly see they are one of the first to arrive, and that it's a work in progress. Bad example, but the Salterwater Cafe was open, open when it wasn't fully done. People kneow that and enterted with an open mind. It gets better with each visit. - Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Although one could also say practice what you preach. There's little doubt to most of the country that Republicans have been far more hypocritical in the way they live their lives. Every time a Republican gets caught doing something like adultry or prostitution it looks far worse than when a Democrat gets caught because it just reaffirms the way some of us feel - that Republicans USE RELIGION rather than our truly religious. On Sep 11, 2007, at 2:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greg, While I would agree that liberals have no god is a blanket statement and is probably not 100% accurate. However, one has to agree that on the whole liberals have been far more anti-god than conservatives -Original Message- From: Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 1:55 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God Why is it true that liberals have no God? Did the Republican Party monopolize religion? On Sep 11, 2007, at 6:47 AM, Mike Hemeon wrote: Being a Conservative take more work than being a Liberal. If you're a liberal anything goes. One issue to watch in the future is National Healthcare. It is true that liberals have no god and that being said, euthanasia will become part of the National Healthcare program. I would imagine you would just check-in to a check-out center. --- justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not talking about Jersey Kevin. For you to say Conservativism is on the rise nationally - well you just aren't paying attention. The only issue out there is Iraq. All other issues that define people as conservative or liberal are barely in the political picture. If you are going to be a political advisor, you'd better be able to survey the landscape. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: It is really bugging Liberals that Conservatives are rising in America! Errr, you don't follow politics too much, do you? My political view is way beyond the local arena! New jersey is not the litmus... Watch come this Sunday - should be interesting. On the eve of The anniversary of terrorist attacks on the WTC, the Pentegon and Flight 93 - even crazed Rosie declaring we killed 655,000 Iraqi citizens. I don't know who is doing her math? __ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail!
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
No one monopolizes either. Liberals, or Progressives, signify a free for all lifestyle to me based on my many years of life experience and Republicans are more conservative. Religion and Conservative just seem to go together. Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Why is it true that liberals have no God? Did the Republican Party monopolize religion? On Sep 11, 2007, at 6:47 AM, Mike Hemeon wrote: Being a Conservative take more work than being a Liberal. If you're a liberal anything goes. One issue to watch in the future is National Healthcare. It is true that liberals have no god and that being said, euthanasia will become part of the National Healthcare program. I would imagine you would just check-in to a check-out center. --- justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not talking about Jersey Kevin. For you to say Conservativism is on the rise nationally - well you just aren't paying attention. The only issue out there is Iraq. All other issues that define people as conservative or liberal are barely in the political picture. If you are going to be a political advisor, you'd better be able to survey the landscape. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: It is really bugging Liberals that Conservatives are rising in America! Errr, you don't follow politics too much, do you? My political view is way beyond the local arena! New jersey is not the litmus... Watch come this Sunday - should be interesting. On the eve of The anniversary of terrorist attacks on the WTC, the Pentegon and Flight 93 - even crazed Rosie declaring we killed 655,000 Iraqi citizens. I don't know who is doing her math? __ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 - Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
I think it comes from the time when this country was first founded. Bible toting people formed the Nation Under God. So if you take the purest form of the attributes of an American conservative, as being one who stays the course and does not move quickly to change, than it makes perfect sense to me that those that have held on to the founding father's faith declaration of this new country would predominantly be conservatives. But I find it rather odd that people equate God and religion. I for one never thought it was God who wanted a religious form of fellowship, but rather a fellowship in personal relationship between God and believer. I as a minister, do not foster religiosity. I promote individual relationship. I find the symbols and high church attributes culturally beneficial, but does little to cause a soul to desire the relationship. Also religious organization does more to hinder unity among those that believe, by creating differing tribes. Unity is really what accomplishes goals. Mankind has sold itself short over the entire history of it's existence solely because we have splintered into different races, nations, cultures and so forth. Diversity does not have to divisive. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is it true that liberals have no God? Did the Republican Party monopolize religion? On Sep 11, 2007, at 6:47 AM, Mike Hemeon wrote: Being a Conservative take more work than being a Liberal. If you're a liberal anything goes. One issue to watch in the future is National Healthcare. It is true that liberals have no god and that being said, euthanasia will become part of the National Healthcare program. I would imagine you would just check-in to a check-out center. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: City, Board of Ed, the State and...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like the borad of ed does not need this building. Baloney. Frank Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: City, Board of Ed, the State and...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so the city buys the building from the state, the state funds the board of ed, so maybe the state loans the board the money to renovate and the movey (sic) saved from the lease, go to repay the loan. More baloney. Maybe you should tell that to the folks who have been working on this for years while the council tries to pull the rug from under them in one week. Maybe you should pay these folks yourself for the plans you want to scuttle. Frank D'A. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Conservatives only pretend to be religious but actually worship money. On Sep 11, 2007, at 2:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greg, While I would agree that liberals have no god is a blanket statement and is probably not 100% accurate. However, one has to agree that on the whole liberals have been far more anti-god than conservatives -Original Message- From: Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 1:55 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God Why is it true that liberals have no God? Did the Republican Party monopolize religion? On Sep 11, 2007, at 6:47 AM, Mike Hemeon wrote: Being a Conservative take more work than being a Liberal. If you're a liberal anything goes. One issue to watch in the future is National Healthcare. It is true that liberals have no god and that being said, euthanasia will become part of the National Healthcare program. I would imagine you would just check-in to a check-out center. --- justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not talking about Jersey Kevin. For you to say Conservativism is on the rise nationally - well you just aren't paying attention. The only issue out there is Iraq. All other issues that define people as conservative or liberal are barely in the political picture. If you are going to be a political advisor, you'd better be able to survey the landscape. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: It is really bugging Liberals that Conservatives are rising in America! Errr, you don't follow politics too much, do you? My political view is way beyond the local arena! New jersey is not the litmus... Watch come this Sunday - should be interesting. On the eve of The anniversary of terrorist attacks on the WTC, the Pentegon and Flight 93 - even crazed Rosie declaring we killed 655,000 Iraqi citizens. I don't know who is doing her math? __ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail!
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
On Sep 11, 2007, at 2:32 PM, Kevin Brown wrote: But I find it rather odd that people equate God and religion. I for one never thought it was God who wanted a religious form of fellowship, but rather a fellowship in personal relationship between God and believer. I as a minister, do not foster religiosity. I promote individual relationship. I find the symbols and high church attributes culturally beneficial, but does little to cause a soul to desire the relationship. I agree with you. I think people can be very religious or spiritual and not belong to an organized religion. Personally, I think organized religions are behind much of the problems in the world because they do pit people against people. Much of the world's intolerance comes from against the religion of others. Many of the wars fought were fought in the name of religion. And many of the greatest criminal swindlers made their money from pretending to be a spiritual leader. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: City, Board of Ed, the State and...
Maybe I don't see the entire picture here. What I do see is one entire school pulled out of the system this year however life goes on. Are the classrooms overcrowed? Or has enrollement droped so far that one school is not needed. If that is the case, the board of Ed could move there and have pre school classes. - Original Message From: asburycheech [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 2:35:38 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: City, Board of Ed, the State and... --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ ... wrote: Sounds like the borad of ed does not need this building. Baloney. Frank Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Religion and Conservative just seem to go together. Huh? Does this sound like a Republican?: 21 Jesus said to him, If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me. Does this sound like a Republican?: 25 For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. Does this sound like a Republican?: 18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim release to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed Does this sound like a Republican?: 12 He said also to the man who had invited him, When you give a dinner or a banquet, do not invite your friends or your brothers or your kinsmen or rich neighbors, lest they also invite you in return, and you be repaid. 13 But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind, 14 and you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you. You will be repaid at the resurrection of the just. Does this sound like a Republican?: [13] No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon. On Sep 11, 2007, at 2:14 PM, Mike Hemeon wrote: No one monopolizes either. Liberals, or Progressives, signify a free for all lifestyle to me based on my many years of life experience and Republicans are more conservative. Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is it true that liberals have no God? Did the Republican Party monopolize religion? On Sep 11, 2007, at 6:47 AM, Mike Hemeon wrote: Being a Conservative take more work than being a Liberal. If you're a liberal anything goes. One issue to watch in the future is National Healthcare. It is true that liberals have no god and that being said, euthanasia will become part of the National Healthcare program. I would imagine you would just check-in to a check-out center. --- justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not talking about Jersey Kevin. For you to say Conservativism is on the rise nationally - well you just aren't paying attention. The only issue out there is Iraq. All other issues that define people as conservative or liberal are barely in the political picture. If you are going to be a political advisor, you'd better be able to survey the landscape. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: It is really bugging Liberals that Conservatives are rising in America! Errr, you don't follow politics too much, do you? My political view is way beyond the local arena! New jersey is not the litmus... Watch come this Sunday - should be interesting. On the eve of The anniversary of terrorist attacks on the WTC, the Pentegon and Flight 93 - even crazed Rosie declaring we killed 655,000 Iraqi citizens. I don't know who is doing her math? __ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it comes from the time when this country was first founded. Bible toting people formed the Nation Under God. Under a Creator. The founding fathers were deists and not church-going men as a whole. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I have nothing to say. I just wanted to make a post about Asbury Park. It's been awhile. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Isn't this a wee bit of monkee cage action? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: I think it comes from the time when this country was first founded. Bible toting people formed the Nation Under God. Under a Creator. The founding fathers were deists and not church-going men as a whole. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] FYI
The Storm Before the Storm Insurers are declaring Brooklyn a high-risk hurricane zoneand canceling policies. * By S.Jhoanna Robledo Damian Young got the news last fall by mail: Allstate was dropping him, and he'd have to find another insurance company to get coverage for his brownstone. [The letter] alluded to Hurricane Katrina and said they're unable to carry the risk of living in coastal areas, says the actor. I live in Park Slope. I was like, What? This doesn't make sense! Nearly a year later, his neighbors are getting Dear John letters, too, from Allstate and other firms, some pointing to the chances of similarly destructive storms in the area. In fact, it's happening all over Brooklyn, and I see two or three nonrenewals each week, from Bayside to the Hamptons, says Ruchman and Associates insurance broker Jonathan Banach. In some cases, homeowners are being re-upped, but at triple the fees. New York is certainly not immune to hurricanes. Ours is a coastal island city, and even if you're a half-mile inland and can't see the water, that's a small distinction to a swirling storm a thousand miles wide. (The house pictured, in Ditmas Park, is about three miles from the bay, and its owners were just cut loose by Allstate.) According to the Climate Institute, a nonprofit environmental group, the city is quite vulnerable to hurricanes and nor'easters, thanks in part to the area's nearly 1,500 miles of coastline, and that four out of five boroughs are islands. But some owners contend that rejections aren't based on real risk. (One Gowanus Lounge blogger writes, I live on Metropolitan and Manhattan in Williamsburg at the top of the hill and we were canceled too. We're not even in the flood zone!) There's no differentiation [in terms of] distance to water, Banach says of the cases he's seeing. In brief, the law allows insurers to drop 4 percent of their policyholders when they see elevated risk, and they're doing just that. Allstate, for its part, issued a statement about what it calls our catastrophe-prone area, saying it is forced to explore options to manage our exposure in order to better protect our customers. For now, some other firms are taking on rejectsYoung found an underwriter through his insurance broker, and the state also offers some coveragebut usually at higher rates. There's no question, though, that the recent spate of cancellations is causing agita. Used to be if you've had no losses, you got renewed, says Banach. They don't care now. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't this a wee bit of monkee cage action? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: I think it comes from the time when this country was first founded. Bible toting people formed the Nation Under God. Under a Creator. The founding fathers were deists and not church-going men as a whole. Kevin Brown is no monkey. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: City, Board of Ed, the State and...
Maybe I don't see the entire picture here. Sorry Frank, but Alan must be reading my mind. I just read in the coaster that the BOE is paying $16,OOO PER MONTH for rent. Was that a TYP? How much space is there? How is all that to be used? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Asbury Park
On Sep 11, 2007, at 3:29 PM, Hinge wrote: I have nothing to say. I just wanted to make a post about Asbury Park. It's been awhile. With that in mind... I'll throw out a little ad for a show we're putting on this Sunday in Asbury Park. It's called Twisted Covers and it features local artists covering a pair of tunes by a particular artist and throwing in one of their originals as well. This Sunday we are spotlighting the career of Bruce Springsteen. We have a tremendous lineup that will run through songs from Bruce to help celebrate his birthday a week early. The show is free and runs from 6pm to 9pm at the Twisted Tree Cafe on Cookman Avenue. If you ever wanted to see some of the best performers in the local area, this is a great place to start. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
I'm sure he's not, but...whenever somebody posts something that addresses how the homeless population effects AP and it's residents, he never answers the question, he just skirts the issue. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Isn't this a wee bit of monkee cage action? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: I think it comes from the time when this country was first founded. Bible toting people formed the Nation Under God. Under a Creator. The founding fathers were deists and not church-going men as a whole. Kevin Brown is no monkey. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park
Speaking of Bruce, isn't he slated to be rehearsing at Convention Hall this evening? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 11, 2007, at 3:29 PM, Hinge wrote: I have nothing to say. I just wanted to make a post about Asbury Park. It's been awhile. With that in mind... I'll throw out a little ad for a show we're putting on this Sunday in Asbury Park. It's called Twisted Covers and it features local artists covering a pair of tunes by a particular artist and throwing in one of their originals as well. This Sunday we are spotlighting the career of Bruce Springsteen. We have a tremendous lineup that will run through songs from Bruce to help celebrate his birthday a week early. The show is free and runs from 6pm to 9pm at the Twisted Tree Cafe on Cookman Avenue. If you ever wanted to see some of the best performers in the local area, this is a great place to start. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park
If anyone sees him please tell him he's always welcome to stop by the Twisted Tree on Sunday. (who knows, he did show up at a tribute to him in NYC) On Sep 11, 2007, at 3:39 PM, Hinge wrote: Speaking of Bruce, isn't he slated to be rehearsing at Convention Hall this evening? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 11, 2007, at 3:29 PM, Hinge wrote: I have nothing to say. I just wanted to make a post about Asbury Park. It's been awhile. With that in mind... I'll throw out a little ad for a show we're putting on this Sunday in Asbury Park. It's called Twisted Covers and it features local artists covering a pair of tunes by a particular artist and throwing in one of their originals as well. This Sunday we are spotlighting the career of Bruce Springsteen. We have a tremendous lineup that will run through songs from Bruce to help celebrate his birthday a week early. The show is free and runs from 6pm to 9pm at the Twisted Tree Cafe on Cookman Avenue. If you ever wanted to see some of the best performers in the local area, this is a great place to start.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Gary, Kind of like that Representative Jefferson from New Orleans.? He is a Reverend of some sort.? He got caught with 30,000 wrapped in plastic bags...in his refrigerator!? Oh but wait he was a democrat! Kind of like Bob Packwood, he put his hand on a womans leg and had to resign, versus Bill Clinton who allegedly raped a chick (Juanota Broderick) and is given an atta boy by the press. Where are all the bleeding heart homosexual lovers when it comes to supporting Senator Craig.? Now who is the hypocrite? -Original Message- From: Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 2:22 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God Although one could also say practice what you preach.? There's little doubt to most of the country that Republicans have been far more hypocritical in the way they live their lives.? Every time a Republican gets caught doing something like adultry or prostitution it looks far worse than when a Democrat gets caught because it just reaffirms the way some of us feel - that Republicans USE RELIGION rather than our truly religious. On Sep 11, 2007, at 2:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greg, ? While I would agree that liberals have no god is a blanket statement and is probably not 100% accurate.? However, one has to agree that on the whole liberals have been far more anti-god than conservatives -Original Message- From: Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 1:55 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God Why is it true that liberals have no God? Did the Republican Party monopolize religion? On Sep 11, 2007, at 6:47 AM, Mike Hemeon wrote: Being a Conservative take more work than being a Liberal. If you're a liberal anything goes. One issue to watch in the future is National Healthcare. It is true that liberals have no god and that being said, euthanasia will become part of the National Healthcare program. I would imagine you would just check-in to a check-out center. --- justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not talking about Jersey Kevin. For you to say Conservativism is on the rise nationally - well you just aren't paying attention. The only issue out there is Iraq. All other issues that define people as conservative or liberal are barely in the political picture. If you are going to be a political advisor, you'd better be able to survey the landscape. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: It is really bugging Liberals that Conservatives are rising in America! Errr, you don't follow politics too much, do you? My political view is way beyond the local arena! New jersey is not the litmus... Watch come this Sunday - should be interesting. On the eve of The anniversary of terrorist attacks on the WTC, the Pentegon and Flight 93 - even crazed Rosie declaring we killed 655,000 Iraqi citizens. I don't know who is doing her math? __ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
I've tried to stay out of this conversation; will you permit me to end it? Also Mario, please forgive me for violating my own rule and using something anecdotal: Growing up in my house, my mother had pictures of only 3 men on the walls - Elvis, Jesus and Jack Kennedy (and I think she had them in that order of importance;-)) Of course liberals believe in God. Can that please be the end of this silly thread? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Gary, I finally agree with you.? Muslims do seem to be the cause of most of the worlds problems since the vietnam war! -Original Message- From: Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 2:50 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God On Sep 11, 2007, at 2:32 PM, Kevin Brown wrote: But I find it rather odd that people equate God and religion. I for one never thought it was God who wanted a religious form of fellowship, but rather a fellowship in personal relationship between God and believer. I as a minister, do not foster religiosity. I promote individual relationship. I find the symbols and high church attributes culturally beneficial, but does little to cause a soul to desire the relationship. I agree with you. I think people can be very religious or spiritual and not belong to an organized religion. Personally, I think organized religions are behind much of the problems in the world because they do pit people against people. Much of the world's intolerance comes from against the religion of others. Many of the wars fought were fought in the name of religion. And many of the greatest criminal swindlers made their money from pretending to be a spiritual leader. Yahoo! Groups Links Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park
Hey Gary that sounds like a blast! My daughter and I are going to start working on some Bruce songs tonight (by coincidence). If I can talk my wife into letting her stay out until 9:00 on a school night I'll bring her along. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 11, 2007, at 3:29 PM, Hinge wrote: I have nothing to say. I just wanted to make a post about Asbury Park. It's been awhile. With that in mind... I'll throw out a little ad for a show we're putting on this Sunday in Asbury Park. It's called Twisted Covers and it features local artists covering a pair of tunes by a particular artist and throwing in one of their originals as well. This Sunday we are spotlighting the career of Bruce Springsteen. We have a tremendous lineup that will run through songs from Bruce to help celebrate his birthday a week early. The show is free and runs from 6pm to 9pm at the Twisted Tree Cafe on Cookman Avenue. If you ever wanted to see some of the best performers in the local area, this is a great place to start. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Jersey John, I guess Representative Jefferson was really a conservative but was just pretending to be liberal.? And all those corrupts liberals in the NJ legislature...are just pretending to be liberal but are really conservative Learn something new everyday! -Original Message- From: Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 2:52 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God Conservatives only pretend to be religious but actually worship money. On Sep 11, 2007, at 2:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greg, ? While I would agree that liberals have no god is a blanket statement and is probably not 100% accurate.? However, one has to agree that on the whole liberals have been far more anti-god than conservatives -Original Message- From: Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 1:55 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God Why is it true that liberals have no God? Did the Republican Party monopolize religion? On Sep 11, 2007, at 6:47 AM, Mike Hemeon wrote: Being a Conservative take more work than being a Liberal. If you're a liberal anything goes. One issue to watch in the future is National Healthcare. It is true that liberals have no god and that being said, euthanasia will become part of the National Healthcare program.? I would imagine you would just check-in to a check-out center.? --- justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not talking about Jersey Kevin. For you to say Conservativism? is on the rise nationally - well you just aren't paying attention. ? The only issue out there is Iraq. All other issues that define? people as conservative or liberal are barely in the political? picture. ? If you are going to be a political advisor, you'd better be able to? survey the landscape.? ? --- [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]? wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED], justifiedright? justifiedright@ wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kevin Brown jerseykev@? wrote: ? It is? really bugging Liberals that Conservatives are rising in? America! ? Errr, you don't follow politics too much, do you? ? My political view is way beyond the local arena! ? New jersey is not the litmus... ? Watch come this Sunday - should be interesting. ? On the eve of The anniversary of terrorist attacks on the WTC, the? Pentegon and Flight 93 - even crazed Rosie declaring we killed? 655,000? Iraqi citizens. I don't know who is doing her math? ? ? ? __ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658? Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free?AOL Mail! Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Jersey John, Not sure what your rambling post was about but this sure sounds Republican... GOD BLESS AMERICA! -Original Message- From: Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 3:02 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God Religion and Conservative just seem to go together. Huh? Does this sound like a Republican?: 21 Jesus said to him, If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me. Does this sound like a Republican?: 25 For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. Does this sound like a Republican?: 18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim release to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed Does this sound like a Republican?: 12 He said also to the man who had invited him, When you give a dinner or a banquet, do not invite your friends or your brothers or your kinsmen or rich neighbors, lest they also invite you in return, and you be repaid. 13 But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind, 14 and you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you. You will be repaid at the resurrection of the just. Does this sound like a Republican?: [13] No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon. On Sep 11, 2007, at 2:14 PM, Mike Hemeon wrote: No one monopolizes either. Liberals, or Progressives, signify a free for all lifestyle to me based on my many years of life experience and Republicans are more conservative. Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is it true that liberals have no God? Did the Republican Party monopolize religion? On Sep 11, 2007, at 6:47 AM, Mike Hemeon wrote: Being a Conservative take more work than being a Liberal. If you're a liberal anything goes. One issue to watch in the future is National Healthcare. It is true that liberals have no god and that being said, euthanasia will become part of the National Healthcare program. I would imagine you would just check-in to a check-out center. --- justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not talking about Jersey Kevin. For you to say Conservativism is on the rise nationally - well you just aren't paying attention. The only issue out there is Iraq. All other issues that define people as conservative or liberal are barely in the political picture. If you are going to be a political advisor, you'd better be able to survey the landscape. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: It is really bugging Liberals that Conservatives are rising in America! Errr, you don't follow politics too much, do you? My political view is way beyond the local arena! New jersey is not the litmus... Watch come this Sunday - should be interesting. On the eve of The anniversary of terrorist attacks on the WTC, the Pentegon and Flight 93 - even crazed Rosie declaring we killed 655,000 Iraqi citizens. I don't know who is doing her math? __ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. Yahoo! Groups Links Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: City, Board of Ed, the State and...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ wrote: Sounds like the borad of ed does not need this building and a senior facility is needed. Board of Ed is currently running without 1 school. So use that. Sell the Braverman building to the city. Perhaps you missed the detail of the State having purchased the Baverman site. It is not owned my the Board of ED. Werner when did the state buy it? was it removed from the citys tax rolls? whos colleecting the rent for the methadone and other clinics? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My daughter and I are going to start working on some Bruce songs tonight (by coincidence). A singing lawyer? A signing daughter. She plays piano too. I try to keep up on guitar, usually can't. TD: How come when you win in court, you still have to pay court costs. Are court costs mandatory in NJ muni court? My daughter got a parking tik, but swore they put the signs up after she parked (fair). She won as in having it dismissed, but the court fees remain. Like the prosecutor told her if she goes to law school, this is your first case, consider it you won... then told her you win some, you'll lose some. Actually, she's 2-0. I'm 4-0. The lady in the clerks office WHAT, you're pleading not guilty to parking ticket...it's only $37...you lose you have to court costs as well! Told her we'll roll'em and that she's innocent. Well win is a relative term here. If you really had to label what you did there with academic accuracy, it was more like a plea bargain. The Court dismissed the ticket in exchange for her paying Court costs. If you flat out win a case after a trial, you don't pay Court costs. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
On Sep 11, 2007, at 4:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't matter that Clinton did not preach right or wrong...I did not have sex with that woman...oh wait there is no governing authority that describes a bj as sex... (Al Gore, 2000)...And the media did not jump on the Clinton rape allegation becasue they did not want to believe it And Gary, I know independents, several are friends of mine... and ary...YOU'RE NO INDEPENDENT! That's funny. I guess you've never seen my voting record. I was raised in a strict Republican household. Problem is I can recognize that Republicans are liars and Democrats are liars. There are very few party related people who ever seem to admit that their side is wrong. That's why I'd never join either party. It's really funny the way Republicans treat independents. They act as if there's no such thing. Truth is that I think more people are independent than they'd realize. How can anyone believe everything one party has for its platform? If they have a brain they should pick and choose from both sides. I'm guessing that you'd have a hard time calling me a Democrat if I told you that I am a firm supporter in a flat tax, that I think illegal immigration has ruined the country, etc. There's more to life than talk radio and being told what to think... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Gary, Speaking of Talk Radio...You're sounding eerily similar to Al Franken! In your world belonging to a party makes it one sided, I guess you did not realize that each party has their own factions and all members of a party do not subscribe to one ideal face it, you are a liberal who has a few righteous beliefs (flat tax, anti ilegal immigration),,,that does not necessarily make you an independent...it makes you a liberal with a few righteous beliefs! and you have to admit that you've been bashing everything from the right...so now, I don't belive you to be independent! -Original Message- From: Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 4:28 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God On Sep 11, 2007, at 4:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't matter that Clinton did not preach right or wrong...I did not have sex with that woman...oh wait there is no governing authority that describes a bj as sex... (Al Gore, 2000)...And the media did not jump on the Clinton rape allegation becasue they did not want to believe it And Gary, I know independents, several are friends of mine... and ary...YOU'RE NO INDEPENDENT! That's funny. I guess you've never seen my voting record. I was raised in a strict Republican household. Problem is I can recognize that Republicans are liars and Democrats are liars. There are very few party related people who ever seem to admit that their side is wrong. That's why I'd never join either party. It's really funny the way Republicans treat independents. They act as if there's no such thing. Truth is that I think more people are independent than they'd realize. How can anyone believe everything one party has for its platform? If they have a brain they should pick and choose from both sides. I'm guessing that you'd have a hard time calling me a Democrat if I told you that I am a firm supporter in a flat tax, that I think illegal immigration has ruined the country, etc. There's more to life than talk radio and being told what to think... Yahoo! Groups Links Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
But Toe-Tappin' Larry isn't gay, remember? On Sep 11, 2007, at 4:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary, Kind of like that Representative Jefferson from New Orleans. He is a Reverend of some sort. He got caught with 30,000 wrapped in plastic bags...in his refrigerator! Oh but wait he was a democrat! Kind of like Bob Packwood, he put his hand on a womans leg and had to resign, versus Bill Clinton who allegedly raped a chick (Juanota Broderick) and is given an atta boy by the press. Where are all the bleeding heart homosexual lovers when it comes to supporting Senator Craig. Now who is the hypocrite? -Original Message- From: Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 2:22 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God Although one could also say practice what you preach. There's little doubt to most of the country that Republicans have been far more hypocritical in the way they live their lives. Every time a Republican gets caught doing something like adultry or prostitution it looks far worse than when a Democrat gets caught because it just reaffirms the way some of us feel - that Republicans USE RELIGION rather than our truly religious. On Sep 11, 2007, at 2:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greg, While I would agree that liberals have no god is a blanket statement and is probably not 100% accurate. However, one has to agree that on the whole liberals have been far more anti-god than conservatives -Original Message- From: Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 1:55 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God Why is it true that liberals have no God? Did the Republican Party monopolize religion? On Sep 11, 2007, at 6:47 AM, Mike Hemeon wrote: Being a Conservative take more work than being a Liberal. If you're a liberal anything goes. One issue to watch in the future is National Healthcare. It is true that liberals have no god and that being said, euthanasia will become part of the National Healthcare program. I would imagine you would just check-in to a check-out center. --- justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not talking about Jersey Kevin. For you to say Conservativism is on the rise nationally - well you just aren't paying attention. The only issue out there is Iraq. All other issues that define people as conservative or liberal are barely in the political picture. If you are going to be a political advisor, you'd better be able to survey the landscape. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: It is really bugging Liberals that Conservatives are rising in America! Errr, you don't follow politics too much, do you? My political view is way beyond the local arena! New jersey is not the litmus... Watch come this Sunday - should be interesting. On the eve of The anniversary of terrorist attacks on the WTC, the Pentegon and Flight 93 - even crazed Rosie declaring we killed 655,000 Iraqi citizens. I don't know who is doing her math? __ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail!
[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't this a wee bit of monkee cage action? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: I think it comes from the time when this country was first founded. Bible toting people formed the Nation Under God. Under a Creator. The founding fathers were deists and not church- going men as a whole. The founding Fathers were sneaking around avoiding King George's warrants for their deaths. They were forced to stop being in public places with scheduled events, including church services. KB Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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[AsburyPark] Wall twp captain sues...
no comment. WAL Bernard Sullivan, the township police captain who was arrested in January for driving while intoxicated and later found not guilty, filed a notice of claim for $5 million in damages Monday, according to public records. The claim was filed against the township, the township Police Department, the Township Committee and arresting officers Patrolman J. Todd Verrecchia and Sgt. Frank Lancellotti. Sullivan's claims include false arrest, false imprisonment, rescission of appointment to chief of police and defamation of character, according to the notice. Township Attorney Roger McLaughlin said that under state law Sullivan now must wait a minimum of six months before filing suit and has a maximum of two years to file. The claim will go to the township's insurance company, the Monmouth- Ocean Joint Insurance Fund, which is represented by Somers Point- based Scibal Associates, McLaughlin said. However Sullivan's attorney, Bruce McMoran with the Manasquan-based law firm McMoran, O'Connor and Bramley, said they do not have to wait the six months before filing suit. They have a chance to settle and if it doesn't settle we'll file suit,'' McMoran said. McMoran said Sullivan has one year from the time of defamation to file the defamation of character suit and two years from the time of the event to file the other claims. The notice lists the defamation of character as beginning January 27, 2007 and continuing to date.'' On January 24, Sullivan has been named by the Township Committee to replace retiring police chief Roy Hall. In the early morning hours of Jan. 27, he was arrested for driving while intoxicated after being pulled over by Verrecchia on Belmar Boulevard. The Township Committee rescinded the resolution naming Sullivan the next chief on Jan. 30, and Captain David Morris was chosen to fill the position in early February. Red Bank Municipal Court Judge William Himelman found Sullivan not guilty May 14. Himelman said Sullivan's attorney for the trial, James Fagen of Freehold, had created sufficient reasonable doubt as to whether or not Sullivan was drunk at the time of the arrest. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Jefferson? Is that all you got? Let's try this: January 23, 2007: Republican radio personality Scott Eller Cortelyou of Denver arrested on suspicion of using the Internet to lure a child into a sexual relationship January 29, 2007: Republican former Jefferson County, Colorado, Treasurer Mark Paschall indicted on two felony charges in connection with an allegation that Paschall solicited a kickback from a bonus he awarded one of his employees January 31, 2007: Republican Congressman Gary Miller is named by Republicans as ranking member of oversight subcommittee of House Financial Services Committee despite the FBI's investigation into his land deals February 14, 2007: Major Republican fundraiser Brent Wilkes and former CIA executive director Kyle Dusty Foggo are indicted by a grandy jury for corrupting CIA contracts February 16, 2007: Major Republican donor Abdul Tawala Ibn Ali Alishtari, aka Michael Mixon, is indicted in federal court on charges of providing material support to terrorists March 5, 2007: Ethics complaint filed against Republican Senator Pete Domenici for his role in the Attorney Purge scandal March 6, 2007: I. Lewis Scooter Libby, former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney found guilty of obstruction of justice and perjury March 8, 2007: Republican former U.S. Congressman and Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich admits to extramarital affair March 23, 2007: Former Deputy Interior Secretary J. Steven Griles, an oil and gas lobbyist who became an architect of George W. Bush's energy policies, pleads guilty to obstructing justice by lying to a Senate committee March 27, 2007: Criminal charges filed against Republican Pennsylvania State Senator Robert Regola in connection with the death of a teenage neighbor who was shot with the senator's gun; he is accused of three counts of perjury, allowing possession of a firearm by a minor, recklessly endangering another person and false swearing March 27, 2007: Ronald Reagan's budget director, David Stockman, indicted on charges of defrauding investors and banks of $1.6 billion while chairman of Collins Aikman Corp., an auto parts maker that collapsed days after he quit March 28, 2007: Robert Vellanoweth, a Republican activist and appointee of Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, is arrested on suspicion of gross vehicular manslaughter and felony driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol, after a crash that killed three adults and one child April 18, 2007: The FBI raids the home of Republican Congressman John Doolittle, investigating his ties to Jack Abramoff April 19, 2007: The FBI raids a business tied to the family of Republican Congressman Rick Renzi, as part of an investigation into his business dealings April 23, 2007: The FBI questions Republican Congressman Tom Feeney about his dealings with Jack Abramoff April 23, 2007: Federal auditors find repeat violations of federal election law from the 2004 Senate campaign of Republican Senator Mel Martinez April 26, 2007: David Huckabee, son of Republican Presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, is arrested at an Arkansas airport after a federal X-ray technician detected a loaded gun in his carry-on luggage May 4, 2007: Bruce Weyhrauch and Pete Kott, former Alaska state Republican legislators, were arrested and accused of soliciting and accepting bribes from the corrupt VECO Corporation May 4, 2007: Republican state Assemblyman Michael Cole is censured and stripped of his leadership position after the married father of two spent the night at a 21-year-old intern's apartment May 11, 2007: A field coordinator for Republican Congressman Patrick McHenry is indicted for voter fraud in North Carolina May 12, 2007: NBC News breaks the story that the FBI is investigating Republican Nevada Governor Jim Gibbons for suspicion of accepting bribes in exchange for securing government contracts May 15, 2007: Connecticut Republican Party Chairman Chris Healy is arrested for drunk driving (he pled no contest on June 1, but didn't publicly disclose the event until June 11) May 18, 2007: Republican former South Dakota State Representative Ted Klaudt is charged with eight counts of second-degree rape, two counts of sexual exploitation of a minor, one count of sexual contact with a child younger than 16, two counts of witness tampering and one count of stalking against two foster children in his care May 21, 2007: Republican state Senate candidate Mark Tate is indicted on nine counts of perjury and two counts of election fraud by a grand jury June 11, 2007: Republican Senator Larry Craig is arrested for lewd conduct in the men's bathroom of an airport June 19, 2007: South Carolina Republican state Treasurer and South Carolina Chairman of Giuliani for President Thomas Ravenel is indicted by a grand jury on cocaine distribution charges July 2, 2007: President George W. Bush commutes the
[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Just so the group knows, I do not skirt issues. I answer questions relevent to the issue. I never respond to personal questions that have nothing to do with the issue. I also do not respond to people who do not have a profile identifying who they really are. ON the rare occasion, I make adjustments to my basic online guidelines. PS: I ignor people like HINGE, after they hang themselves and reveal their bitter attitudes. KB --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure he's not, but...whenever somebody posts something that addresses how the homeless population effects AP and it's residents, he never answers the question, he just skirts the issue. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Isn't this a wee bit of monkee cage action? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: I think it comes from the time when this country was first founded. Bible toting people formed the Nation Under God. Under a Creator. The founding fathers were deists and not church-going men as a whole. Kevin Brown is no monkey. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Jersey John, Is that all you've got? Democrat corruption over the last three months Democrats are harping on the corruption of the Republican Party. Please note that Democrat corruption in government is widespread and far reaching. I could have listed many examples of Democrat corruption such as Sandy Berger stealing documents from the National Archives- however- I decided to look at headlines over the last three months. The below are headline from September - just over 3 months of Democrat corruption. - An independent counsel who investigated possible tax violations by former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Henry Cisneros charged that the Clinton administration thwarted his efforts to get to the truth. - U.S. Rep. William Jefferson (D-La.) is under criminal investigation by the U.S. Justice Department for possible bribery in exchange for promoting business deals in Africa - Federal prosecutors alleged in court documents that Ernest Newton, a former state Democrat Connecticut senator worked with a reputed mobster and his associate to try to stop police raids on businesses and advance their business interests - Clarence Norman Jr., the longtime powerbroker of Brooklyn NY Democrats was found guilty of intentionally soliciting illegal campaign contributions. - A top aide to Jim Black, the Democratic speaker of the state Legislature of North Carolina, resigned amid reports he had received payments from a company hoping for the lottery contract. The .State Board of Elections is investigating Black's campaign finances. The investigation comes after the group Democracy North Carolina said it found evidence that video-poker operators were funneling money through unsuspecting donors to Black's campaign. - West Virginia.Logan County Clerk Glen Dale Hound Dog Adkins admitted to selling his vote for $500 in the 1996 Democratic Party primary, while Perry French Harvey Jr. pleaded guilty to conspiring to bribe voters in last year's Democratic contest - Former Democat Gov. Donald Siegelman of Alabama was charged in a widespread racketeering conspiracy that includes accusations he took a bribe from former hospital executive Richard Scrushy for a key state appointment. - Frank Ballance - a former Democrat Rep. from North Carolina was sentenced to four years in federal prison for conspiring to divert taxpayer money to his law firm and family through a charitable organization he helped start. Ballance, was a state senator before being elected to Congress in 2002, also agreed to repay $61,917 and to forfeit $203,000 in a bank escrow account in the name of the John A. Hyman Memorial Foundation. - Five Democratic activists in Wisconsin accused of slashing the tires of vans rented by Republicans on Election Day 2004 are currently on trial - Chuck Chvala, a Former Democrat Wisconsin Senate Majority Leader was sentenced to nine months in jail for felony misconduct in office and illegally funneling campaign contributions. Chvala had reached a plea deal with prosecutors earlier this year, admitting to charges that he directed a state employee to run a political campaign and used an independent expenditure group to funnel campaign contributions to a fellow Democrat. - Brett Pfeffer, a former legislative director to Rep. William Jefferson, D-La., pleaded guilty to aiding and abetting bribery of a public official and conspiracy. - Raymond Reggie, a New Orleans political Democratic consultant and fund-raiser who is Senator Kennedy's brother-in-law was sentenced to a year in prison yesterday after pleading guilty to bank fraud charge Get a clue hypocrite! -Original Message- From: Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 4:55 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God Jefferson? Is that all you got? Let's try this: January 23, 2007: Republican radio personality Scott Eller Cortelyou of Denver arrested on suspicion of using the Internet to lure a child into a sexual relationship January 29, 2007: Republican former Jefferson County, Colorado, Treasurer Mark Paschall indicted on two felony charges in connection with an allegation that Paschall solicited a kickback from a bonus he awarded one of his employees January 31, 2007: Republican Congressman Gary Miller is named by Republicans as ranking member of oversight subcommittee of House Financial Services Committee despite the FBI's investigation into his land deals February 14, 2007: Major Republican fundraiser Brent Wilkes and former CIA executive director Kyle Dusty Foggo are indicted by a grandy jury for corrupting CIA contracts February 16, 2007: Major Republican donor Abdul Tawala Ibn Ali Alishtari, aka Michael Mixon, is indicted in federal court on charges of providing material support to terrorists March 5, 2007: Ethics complaint filed against Republican Senator Pete Domenici for his role in the
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
I believe one of the worst things to happen in my lifetime was NAFTA which I blame Clinton for. Does that make you happy? I admit I lean liberal on a lot of issues and conservative on others. Kinda sounds independent to me. But I guess because I don't worship at the altar of guys like Rush Limbaugh I would be considered a liberal. I love those guys. Dittoheads -- they proudly say they're a ditto head and then say the other side doesn't have a brain. Amazing! On Sep 11, 2007, at 4:41 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and you have to admit that you've been bashing everything from the right...so now, I don't belive you to be independent! -Original Message- From: Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 4:28 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God On Sep 11, 2007, at 4:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't matter that Clinton did not preach right or wrong...I didnot have sex with that woman...oh wait there is no governing authority that describes a bj as sex... (Al Gore, 2000)...And the media did not jump on the Clinton rape allegation becasue they didnot want to believe it And Gary, I know independents, several are friends of mine... andary...YOU'RE NO INDEPENDENT! That's funny. I guess you've never seen my voting record. I was raised in a strict Republican household. Problem is I can recognize that Republicans are liars and Democrats are liars. There are very few party related people who ever seem to admit that their side is wrong. That's why I'd never join either party. It's really funny the way Republicans treat independents. They act as if there's no such thing. Truth is that I think more people are independent than they'd realize. How can anyone believe everything one party has for its platform? If they have a brain they should pick and choose from both sides. I'm guessing that you'd have a hard time calling me a Democrat if I told you that I am a firm supporter in a flat tax, that I think illegal immigration has ruined the country, etc. There's more to life than talk radio and being told what to think... Yahoo! Groups Links to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join(Yahoo! ID Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail!
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Jersey John, At a minimum, Senator Craig is accused of being gay!? So why aren't all the bleeding hearts now rushing to his defense...because of hypocrisy...the only group who has rushed to his defense are the log cabin republicans It's the same hypocrisy that was evidents when feminist groups did not renounce clinton -Original Message- From: Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 4:46 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God But Toe-Tappin' Larry isn't gay, remember? On Sep 11, 2007, at 4:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary, Kind of like that Representative Jefferson from New Orleans.? He is a Reverend of some sort.? He got caught with 30,000 wrapped in plastic bags...in his refrigerator!? Oh but wait he was a democrat! ? Kind of like Bob Packwood, he put his hand on a womans leg and had to resign, versus Bill Clinton who allegedly raped a chick (Juanota Broderick) and is given an atta boy by the press. ? Where are all the bleeding heart homosexual lovers when it comes to supporting Senator Craig.? Now who is the hypocrite? -Original Message- From: Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 2:22 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God Although one could also say practice what you preach.? There's little doubt to most of the country that Republicans have been far more hypocritical in the way they live their lives.? Every time a Republican gets caught doing something like adultry or prostitution it looks far worse than when a Democrat gets caught because it just reaffirms the way some of us feel - that Republicans USE RELIGION rather than our truly religious. On Sep 11, 2007, at 2:12 PM,[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Greg, ? While I would agree that liberals have no god is a blanket statement and is probably not 100% accurate.? However, one has to agree that on the whole liberals have been far more anti-god than conservatives -Original Message- From: Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 1:55 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God Why is it true that liberals have no God? Did the Republican Party monopolize religion? On Sep 11, 2007, at 6:47 AM, Mike Hemeon wrote: Being a Conservative take more work than being a Liberal. If you're a liberal anything goes. One issue to watch in the future is National Healthcare. It is true that liberals have no god and that being said, euthanasia will become part of the National Healthcare program.? I would imagine you would just check-in to a check-out center.? --- justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not talking about Jersey Kevin. For you to say Conservativism? is on the rise nationally - well you just aren't paying attention. ? The only issue out there is Iraq. All other issues that define? people as conservative or liberal are barely in the political? picture. ? If you are going to be a political advisor, you'd better be able to? survey the landscape.? ? --- [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]? wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED], justifiedright? justifiedright@ wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kevin Brown jerseykev@? wrote: ? It is? really bugging Liberals that Conservatives are rising in? America! ? Errr, you don't follow politics too much, do you? ? My political view is way beyond the local arena! ? New jersey is not the litmus... ? Watch come this Sunday - should be interesting. ? On the eve of The anniversary of terrorist attacks on the WTC, the? Pentegon and Flight 93 - even crazed Rosie declaring we killed? 655,000? Iraqi citizens. I don't know who is doing her math? ? ? ? __ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658? Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free?AOL Mail! Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
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Gary, My point is being a follower a particular party does not meam he/she follows 100% of their ideals An independent is different than a conservatove democrat or a moderate republican The NJ 11 were? probably independent as well in that they didn't care who they got money from! -Original Message- From: Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 5:03 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God I believe one of the worst things to happen in my lifetime was NAFTA which I blame Clinton for. Does that make you happy? I admit I lean liberal on a lot of issues and conservative on others.? Kinda sounds independent to me.? But I guess because I don't worship at the altar of guys like Rush Limbaugh I would be considered a liberal.? ?I love those guys.? Dittoheads -- they proudly say they're a ditto head and then say the other side doesn't have a brain.? Amazing! On Sep 11, 2007, at 4:41 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ? and you have to admit that you've been bashing everything from the right...so now, I don't belive you to be independent! -Original Message- From: Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 4:28 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Kevin Cosgrove
How about everyone step back from the arguments today, and take some time to remember Kevin Cosgrove: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE9TLgCVLBM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park
My daughter and I are going to start working on some Bruce songs tonight (by coincidence). A singing lawyer? TD: How come when you win in court, you still have to pay court costs. Are court costs mandatory in NJ muni court? My daughter got a parking tik, but swore they put the signs up after she parked (fair). She won as in having it dismissed, but the court fees remain. Like the prosecutor told her if she goes to law school, this is your first case, consider it you won... then told her you win some, you'll lose some. Actually, she's 2-0. I'm 4-0. The lady in the clerks office WHAT, you're pleading not guilty to parking ticket...it's only $37...you lose you have to court costs as well! Told her we'll roll'em and that she's innocent. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Just to be sure people,? my point is not to say (as is insinuated by Jersey John) that Republicans do not have corruption within their ranks or only dems have corruption...my point is that there is corruption on both sides I am trying to be a counterbalance to the all republicans are evil argument; And yes I am a republican and yes I am proud of it!? That being said, there are dems that I repsect, Joe Lieberman and Zell Miller come immediately to mind! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 5:03 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God Jersey John, Is that all you've got? Democrat corruption over the last three months Democrats are harping on the corruption of the Republican Party. Please note that Democrat corruption in government is widespread and far reaching. I could have listed many examples of Democrat corruption such as Sandy Berger stealing documents from the National Archives- however- I decided to look at headlines over the last three months. The below are headline from September - just over 3 months of Democrat corruption. - An independent counsel who investigated possible tax violations by former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Henry Cisneros charged that the Clinton administration thwarted his efforts to get to the truth. - U.S. Rep. William Jefferson (D-La.) is under criminal investigation by the U.S. Justice Department for possible bribery in exchange for promoting business deals in Africa - Federal prosecutors alleged in court documents that Ernest Newton, a former state Democrat Connecticut senator worked with a reputed mobster and his associate to try to stop police raids on businesses and advance their business interests - Clarence Norman Jr., the longtime powerbroker of Brooklyn NY Democrats was found guilty of intentionally soliciting illegal campaign contributions. - A top aide to Jim Black, the Democratic speaker of the state Legislature of North Carolina, resigned amid reports he had received payments from a company hoping for the lottery contract. The .State Board of Elections is investigating Black's campaign finances. The investigation comes after the group Democracy North Carolina said it found evidence that video-poker operators were funneling money through unsuspecting donors to Black's campaign. - West Virginia.Logan County Clerk Glen Dale Hound Dog Adkins admitted to selling his vote for $500 in the 1996 Democratic Party primary, while Perry French Harvey Jr. pleaded guilty to conspiring to bribe voters in last year's Democratic contest - Former Democat Gov. Donald Siegelman of Alabama was charged in a widespread racketeering conspiracy that includes accusations he took a bribe from former hospital executive Richard Scrushy for a key state appointment. - Frank Ballance - a former Democrat Rep. from North Carolina was sentenced to four years in federal prison for conspiring to divert taxpayer money to his law firm and family through a charitable organization he helped start. Ballance, was a state senator before being elected to Congress in 2002, also agreed to repay $61,917 and to forfeit $203,000 in a bank escrow account in the name of the John A. Hyman Memorial Foundation. - Five Democratic activists in Wisconsin accused of slashing the tires of vans rented by Republicans on Election Day 2004 are currently on trial - Chuck Chvala, a Former Democrat Wisconsin Senate Majority Leader was sentenced to nine months in jail for felony misconduct in office and illegally funneling campaign contributions. Chvala had reached a plea deal with prosecutors earlier this year, admitting to charges that he directed a state employee to run a political campaign and used an independent expenditure group to funnel campaign contributions to a fellow Democrat. - Brett Pfeffer, a former legislative director to Rep. William Jefferson, D-La., pleaded guilty to aiding and abetting bribery of a public official and conspiracy. - Raymond Reggie, a New Orleans political Democratic consultant and fund-raiser who is Senator Kennedy's brother-in-law was sentenced to a year in prison yesterday after pleading guilty to bank fraud charge Get a clue hypocrite! -Original Message- From: Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 4:55 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God Jefferson? Is that all you got? Let's try this: January 23, 2007: Republican radio personality Scott Eller Cortelyou of Denver arrested on suspicion of using the Internet to lure a child into a sexual relationship January 29, 2007: Republican former Jefferson County, Colorado, Treasurer Mark Paschall indicted on two felony charges in connection with an allegation that Paschall solicited a kickback from a bonus he awarded one of his employees January 31, 2007: Republican Congressman Gary
[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
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[AsburyPark] Dems Marching Orders-- Down with MoveOn.Org
Successful politicians rarely put themselves in a position where events almost completely beyond their control can make or break them, but that’s exactly what both President Bush and congressional Democratic leaders have done. Democrats seemed on the verge of winning that bet until the troop “surge” and strategy implemented this year by Gen. David Petraeus began to look like it might be possible to “turn things around on the ground” in Iraq. The president is far from being able to say we’ve “won” the war in Iraq, and hasn’t even been able to convincingly articulate what “winning” might be in the context of that troubled nation, but virtually everyone finally acknowledges that things there are improving. Everyone, that is, except those relatively few but influential Democrats who hope yet to profit politically from a U.S. defeat there. In fact, they and their non-elected allies on the outside aren’t even able to acknowledge any progress at all in Iraq because they have so much riding on a disaster there. What’s more, the president seems finally to have been able to get Americans fearful of a defeat in Iraq to give some credence to his argument that Iraq isn’t really about Iraq, but about our own national security. One suspects that most Democrats are a little nervous about the ground their leaders have staked out both because they know how dangerous the bet they are making can be and because the vast majority of them are as patriotic as their constituents and would like us to win rather than lose in Iraq. With only a few exceptions, however, they’ve been pretty quiet, but that may be changing. Banking on a U.S. defeat in Iraq was always a dangerous strategy because even those Americans who question the wisdom of making our stand there or don’t much like the way the Bush administration has managed the war don’t relish the specter of fleeing from our enemies with our tail between our legs. To avoid looking like they were longing for just this to happen simply because they want to pin an unpopular war on their political opponents, Democratic leaders have tried to stress that while they’d love to see a U.S. victory in Iraq, the war there is simply “unwinnable” and that we must therefore cut our losses. Indeed, if one traces the debate back a few months, congressional Democrats were stressing their belief in and support of our troops on the ground in Iraq, but arguing that valiant though they may be, they are being sacrificed in an unnecessary conflict by President Bush and his incompetent, blood-thirsty cronies. The refrain then was that “we support the troops, but not the war.” That gave them some cover then, but now they’re turning on those very troops and the generals who lead them and the cover is falling away. The generals who are reporting progress are not just wrong, but are being dismissed by supposedly responsible elected officials as liars or worse. Thus, Illinois Sen. Dick Durbin, the Democratic Party’s senatorial attack dog, began last week suggesting that Petraeus is “manipulating the statistics” from Iraq to give the illusion of progress where there is none. Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) followed up by charging that Petraeus has a history of making “statements … that have not proved to be factual.” I have never met Gen. Petraeus, but find it difficult to believe that a military leader of his experience and reputation for integrity would risk his career by fabricating numbers, write a false report about what’s happening in Iraq and then fly home to lie to Congress and the American people. Sounds hard to believe, I know, but that is exactly what Reid and Durbin are alleging he’s doing. And their outside allies are going even further by essentially calling the general a “traitor.” MoveOn.org is today running ads headlined “General Petraeus or General Betray Us?” It’s no wonder that Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) and others who claim their leaders are coordinating the attacks on Petraeus with the folks at MoveOn want them to denounce all of this. They won’t, though, because for many the defeat of the U.S. in Iraq looms as a political necessity. It’s really up to responsible members of both parties to denounce leaders who are in bed with the MoveOn crowd and look to the fever swamps they inhabit for their marching orders. Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
As usual, you're just making things up: He was accused of solicitation in a public restroom, not of being gay. Try to stop getting ALL your info from Thrush King Vicodin Limpballs. It's the repukelicans who are, shall we say, uncomfortable with the gay aspect of the story. Also, where were the stone hearted repubs? Why weren't they rallying around their own? A Republican senator who has represented his state in the U.S. Congress for 27 years is finding himself increasingly isolated from his political allies as more members of his party call for him to resign over his arrest in an airport men's room on a disorderly conduct charge. http://tinyurl.com/yw7697 And why, exactly, do you think feminist groups should have renounce clinton? (Of course, without Clenis™, you're nothing) On Sep 11, 2007, at 4:56 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jersey John, At a minimum, Senator Craig is accused of being gay! So why aren't all the bleeding hearts now rushing to his defense...because of hypocrisy...the only group who has rushed to his defense are the log cabin republicans It's the same hypocrisy that was evidents when feminist groups did not renounce clinton -Original Message- From: Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 4:46 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God But Toe-Tappin' Larry isn't gay, remember? On Sep 11, 2007, at 4:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary, Kind of like that Representative Jefferson from New Orleans. He is a Reverend of some sort. He got caught with 30,000 wrapped in plastic bags...in his refrigerator! Oh but wait he was a democrat! Kind of like Bob Packwood, he put his hand on a womans leg and had to resign, versus Bill Clinton who allegedly raped a chick (Juanota Broderick) and is given an atta boy by the press. Where are all the bleeding heart homosexual lovers when it comes to supporting Senator Craig. Now who is the hypocrite? -Original Message- From: Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 2:22 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God Although one could also say practice what you preach. There's little doubt to most of the country that Republicans have been far more hypocritical in the way they live their lives. Every time a Republican gets caught doing something like adultry or prostitution it looks far worse than when a Democrat gets caught because it just reaffirms the way some of us feel - that Republicans USE RELIGION rather than our truly religious. On Sep 11, 2007, at 2:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greg, While I would agree that liberals have no god is a blanket statement and is probably not 100% accurate. However, one has to agree that on the whole liberals have been far more anti-god than conservatives -Original Message- From: Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 1:55 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God Why is it true that liberals have no God? Did the Republican Party monopolize religion? On Sep 11, 2007, at 6:47 AM, Mike Hemeon wrote: Being a Conservative take more work than being a Liberal. If you're a liberal anything goes. One issue to watch in the future is National Healthcare. It is true that liberals have no god and that being said, euthanasia will become part of the National Healthcare program. I would imagine you would just check-in to a check-out center. --- justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not talking about Jersey Kevin. For you to say Conservativism is on the rise nationally - well you just aren't paying attention. The only issue out there is Iraq. All other issues that define people as conservative or liberal are barely in the political picture. If you are going to be a political advisor, you'd better be able to survey the landscape. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: It is really bugging Liberals that Conservatives are rising in America! Errr, you don't follow politics too much, do you? My political view is way beyond the local arena! New jersey is not the litmus... Watch come this Sunday - should be interesting. On the eve of The anniversary of terrorist attacks on the WTC, the Pentegon and Flight 93 - even crazed Rosie declaring we killed 655,000 Iraqi citizens. I don't know who is doing her math? __ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Thanks for the heads up about wrap text?DF.? Webmail formatting is a pain in the ass. I will take better caution in future posts! -Original Message- From: dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 5:29 pm Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please select wrap text. Yahoo! Groups Links Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Jersey John, There you go with the name calling. I admit I am uncomfortable with Craig since he has always run on family values and I am uncomfortable with someone using that platform having an alternative lifestyle...that being said it is also not surprising that all those bleeding heart supporters of alternative lifestyles have not come to his defense. Are you for real into why feminist groups shoudl not have denounced Clinton? You are kidding right? -Original Message- From: Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 5:32 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God As usual, you're just making things up: He was accused of olicitation in a public restroom, not of being gay. Try to stop etting ALL your info from Thrush King Vicodin Limpballs. It's the epukelicans who are, shall we say, uncomfortable with the gay aspect f the story. Also, where were the stone hearted repubs? Why weren't hey rallying around their own? A Republican senator who has represented his state in the U.S. ongress for 27 years is finding himself increasingly isolated from is political allies as more members of his party call for him to esign over his arrest in an airport men's room on a disorderly onduct charge. http://tinyurl.com/yw7697 And why, exactly, do you think feminist groups should have renounce linton? (Of course, without Clenis™, you're nothing) n Sep 11, 2007, at 4:56 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jersey John, At a minimum, Senator Craig is accused of being gay! So why aren't all the bleeding hearts now rushing to his defense...because of hypocrisy...the only group who has rushed to his defense are the log cabin republicans It's the same hypocrisy that was evidents when feminist groups did not renounce clinton -Original Message- From: Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 4:46 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God But Toe-Tappin' Larry isn't gay, remember? On Sep 11, 2007, at 4:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary, Kind of like that Representative Jefferson from New Orleans. He is a Reverend of some sort. He got caught with 30,000 wrapped in plastic bags...in his refrigerator! Oh but wait he was a democrat! Kind of like Bob Packwood, he put his hand on a womans leg and had to resign, versus Bill Clinton who allegedly raped a chick (Juanota Broderick) and is given an atta boy by the press. Where are all the bleeding heart homosexual lovers when it comes to supporting Senator Craig. Now who is the hypocrite? -Original Message- From: Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 2:22 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God Although one could also say practice what you preach. There's little doubt to most of the country that Republicans have been far more hypocritical in the way they live their lives. Every time a Republican gets caught doing something like adultry or prostitution it looks far worse than when a Democrat gets caught because it just reaffirms the way some of us feel - that Republicans USE RELIGION rather than our truly religious. On Sep 11, 2007, at 2:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greg, While I would agree that liberals have no god is a blanket statement and is probably not 100% accurate. However, one has to agree that on the whole liberals have been far more anti-god than conservatives -Original Message- From: Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 1:55 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God Why is it true that liberals have no God? Did the Republican Party monopolize religion? On Sep 11, 2007, at 6:47 AM, Mike Hemeon wrote: Being a Conservative take more work than being a Liberal. If you're a liberal anything goes. One issue to watch in the future is National Healthcare. It is true that liberals have no god and that being said, euthanasia will become part of the National Healthcare program. I would imagine you would just check-in to a check-out center. --- justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not talking about Jersey Kevin. For you to say Conservativism is on the rise nationally - well you just aren't paying attention. The only issue out there is Iraq. All other issues that define people as conservative or liberal are barely in the political picture. If you are going to be a political advisor, you'd better be able to survey the landscape. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: It is really bugging Liberals that Conservatives are rising
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park
Hope to see ya there Tommy! Some of the artists that will be covering Bruce Springsteen include: Janey Todd, Jon Caspi, Keith Monacchio, James Dalton, Hesh, DC Fisher, George Wirth, Pat Roddy, Michael Brett, Mike June, Maybe Pete, Cook and Danny White. I think you'll be very impressed with the talent in the area. On Sep 11, 2007, at 4:13 PM, justifiedright wrote: Hey Gary that sounds like a blast! My daughter and I are going to start working on some Bruce songs tonight (by coincidence). If I can talk my wife into letting her stay out until 9:00 on a school night I'll bring her along. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 11, 2007, at 3:29 PM, Hinge wrote: I have nothing to say. I just wanted to make a post about Asbury Park. It's been awhile. With that in mind... I'll throw out a little ad for a show we're putting on this Sunday in Asbury Park. It's called Twisted Covers and it features local artists covering a pair of tunes by a particular artist and throwing in one of their originals as well. This Sunday we are spotlighting the career of Bruce Springsteen. We have a tremendous lineup that will run through songs from Bruce to help celebrate his birthday a week early. The show is free and runs from 6pm to 9pm at the Twisted Tree Cafe on Cookman Avenue. If you ever wanted to see some of the best performers in the local area, this is a great place to start.
[AsburyPark] Re: Kevin Cosgrove
Oh God, Oh! Their last words. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about everyone step back from the arguments today, and take some time to remember Kevin Cosgrove: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE9TLgCVLBM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park
I've seen Pat Roddy play. Definately plan on seeing you there. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hope to see ya there Tommy! Some of the artists that will be covering Bruce Springsteen include: Janey Todd, Jon Caspi, Keith Monacchio, James Dalton, Hesh, DC Fisher, George Wirth, Pat Roddy, Michael Brett, Mike June, Maybe Pete, Cook and Danny White. I think you'll be very impressed with the talent in the area. On Sep 11, 2007, at 4:13 PM, justifiedright wrote: Hey Gary that sounds like a blast! My daughter and I are going to start working on some Bruce songs tonight (by coincidence). If I can talk my wife into letting her stay out until 9:00 on a school night I'll bring her along. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien lightgrw@ wrote: On Sep 11, 2007, at 3:29 PM, Hinge wrote: I have nothing to say. I just wanted to make a post about Asbury Park. It's been awhile. With that in mind... I'll throw out a little ad for a show we're putting on this Sunday in Asbury Park. It's called Twisted Covers and it features local artists covering a pair of tunes by a particular artist and throwing in one of their originals as well. This Sunday we are spotlighting the career of Bruce Springsteen. We have a tremendous lineup that will run through songs from Bruce to help celebrate his birthday a week early. The show is free and runs from 6pm to 9pm at the Twisted Tree Cafe on Cookman Avenue. If you ever wanted to see some of the best performers in the local area, this is a great place to start. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Fire Sales?
Understood..thanks for the clarification. I do not agree on all points. In my opinion now that the market is difficult, they need to spend more than ever to market the property. They are also contracting units.so the money they are spending on marketing is paying off. As far as the point of having nothing to sellonce there is a contract, buyers are contractually obligated to buy once their unit is completed or they will lose their deposits. With the percentage and profile of the buyers that are buying in the building I would guess this is not going to be a problem. John --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not claim to have specific information. I have said in previous post that I don't believe one could advertise out of this slump. While it is good for the town, and the other developers who currently have product to sell, it make me worried. I did not slander the company, state they were going bankrupt or were looking to get out of Asbury. Simply said thier actions make me nervous which is an opinion. Isn't this board for opinions? I do not pretend to be a news reporter so I am hard pressed to see how this is irresponsible. I wish them the best of luck and I love the design and marketing of the project. Just some of the business decisions make me wonder and the 2 projects they company is involved in right now, are really big. - Original Message From: nobepeymay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 8:57:44 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Fire Sales? --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ ... wrote: I worry about metro Allan, I have seen this comment from you more than once. I think it is irresponsible to comment on a builder without having any fact to back up your statement. What specific information do you have that leads to be so worried about Metro? John - Original Message From: oakdorf oakdorf@ To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 11:36:29 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Fire Sales? A beachfront condo in North Wildwood, N.J., had its $500,000 price slashed by $106,000. (20%) And a $1.6 million estate in Morris County, N.J., got lowered by nearly $100,000. (less then 1%) Hov taking advantage of the free negative PR. We've been talking 20% price drops for over 6 months now. Sales call at The Esperanza today... Time to clean off the crystal ball for the next read. Country Wide is the lender on next weeks auction by Sheldon Good for the 4th Ave condo convert. _ _ _ _ _ _ ___ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers. yahoo.com/ dir/?link= listsid= 396545433 _ ___ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: City, Board of Ed, the State and...
Amazing isn't it. I believe the problem come from the lack of accountability. Most the the funding for Asbury education come from the state. If the reddents were flipping the bill, they would be all over this. What is sad it is the students who suffer as well as the town. - Original Message From: oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 3:34:13 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: City, Board of Ed, the State and... Maybe I don't see the entire picture here. Sorry Frank, but Alan must be reading my mind. I just read in the coaster that the BOE is paying $16,OOO PER MONTH for rent. Was that a TYP? How much space is there? How is all that to be used? Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Fire Sales?
John I hope you are correct. There are so many ways things could play out and if anyone of us knew we would make a ton of $$$. As I said before I love the building plans and believe the marketing of a lifestyle canpaign is great. However people sign contracts and people drop out. The unit is not sold untill there is a closing. Money they are taking in now should not be used for marketing or construction. Funds should be in escrow or could be used if a bond is posted. There are ways out of a contract. This is why North Beach has a discount (I believe 10%) for completed invertory. I do not know if this market slump has hit bottom. While we have seen some positive signs this past two months we still are in a buyers market and we don't know if things have leveled off yet. - Original Message From: nobepeymay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 7:29:45 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Fire Sales? Understood.. thanks for the clarification. I do not agree on all points. In my opinion now that the market is difficult, they need to spend more than ever to market the property. They are also contracting units.so the money they are spending on marketing is paying off. As far as the point of having nothing to sellonce there is a contract, buyers are contractually obligated to buy once their unit is completed or they will lose their deposits. With the percentage and profile of the buyers that are buying in the building I would guess this is not going to be a problem. John --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ ... wrote: I do not claim to have specific information. I have said in previous post that I don't believe one could advertise out of this slump. While it is good for the town, and the other developers who currently have product to sell, it make me worried. I did not slander the company, state they were going bankrupt or were looking to get out of Asbury. Simply said thier actions make me nervous which is an opinion. Isn't this board for opinions? I do not pretend to be a news reporter so I am hard pressed to see how this is irresponsible. I wish them the best of luck and I love the design and marketing of the project. Just some of the business decisions make me wonder and the 2 projects they company is involved in right now, are really big. - Original Message From: nobepeymay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 8:57:44 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Fire Sales? --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ ... wrote: I worry about metro Allan, I have seen this comment from you more than once. I think it is irresponsible to comment on a builder without having any fact to back up your statement. What specific information do you have that leads to be so worried about Metro? John - Original Message From: oakdorf oakdorf@ To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 11:36:29 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Fire Sales? A beachfront condo in North Wildwood, N.J., had its $500,000 price slashed by $106,000. (20%) And a $1.6 million estate in Morris County, N.J., got lowered by nearly $100,000. (less then 1%) Hov taking advantage of the free negative PR. We've been talking 20% price drops for over 6 months now. Sales call at The Esperanza today... Time to clean off the crystal ball for the next read. Country Wide is the lender on next weeks auction by Sheldon Good for the 4th Ave condo convert. _ _ _ _ _ _ ___ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers. yahoo.com/ dir/?link= listsid= 396545433 _ _ _ _ _ _ ___ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile. yahoo.com/ go?refer= 1GNXIC Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
[AsburyPark] Re: Fire Sales?
I hope I am correct also.only time will tell!! Since I decided to buy in AP I have tried to remain as optimistic as possible.but understand there are challenges ahead and am trying to also be realistic. I am a newcomer and have not suffered through all of the false promises and delays that many of you have been subjected to. I remain hopeful because I see how engaged and passionate the people on this board and the people I have met in AP are about the AP community. We also have some serious people involved in the water front development now and what has already happened on Cookman is so cool and amazing to me. John --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John I hope you are correct. There are so many ways things could play out and if anyone of us knew we would make a ton of $$$. As I said before I love the building plans and believe the marketing of a lifestyle canpaign is great. However people sign contracts and people drop out. The unit is not sold untill there is a closing. Money they are taking in now should not be used for marketing or construction. Funds should be in escrow or could be used if a bond is posted. There are ways out of a contract. This is why North Beach has a discount (I believe 10%) for completed invertory. I do not know if this market slump has hit bottom. While we have seen some positive signs this past two months we still are in a buyers market and we don't know if things have leveled off yet. - Original Message From: nobepeymay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 7:29:45 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Fire Sales? Understood.. thanks for the clarification. I do not agree on all points. In my opinion now that the market is difficult, they need to spend more than ever to market the property. They are also contracting units.so the money they are spending on marketing is paying off. As far as the point of having nothing to sellonce there is a contract, buyers are contractually obligated to buy once their unit is completed or they will lose their deposits. With the percentage and profile of the buyers that are buying in the building I would guess this is not going to be a problem. John --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ ... wrote: I do not claim to have specific information. I have said in previous post that I don't believe one could advertise out of this slump. While it is good for the town, and the other developers who currently have product to sell, it make me worried. I did not slander the company, state they were going bankrupt or were looking to get out of Asbury. Simply said thier actions make me nervous which is an opinion. Isn't this board for opinions? I do not pretend to be a news reporter so I am hard pressed to see how this is irresponsible. I wish them the best of luck and I love the design and marketing of the project. Just some of the business decisions make me wonder and the 2 projects they company is involved in right now, are really big. - Original Message From: nobepeymay john@ To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 8:57:44 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Fire Sales? --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ ... wrote: I worry about metro Allan, I have seen this comment from you more than once. I think it is irresponsible to comment on a builder without having any fact to back up your statement. What specific information do you have that leads to be so worried about Metro? John - Original Message From: oakdorf oakdorf@ To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 11:36:29 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Fire Sales? A beachfront condo in North Wildwood, N.J., had its $500,000 price slashed by $106,000. (20%) And a $1.6 million estate in Morris County, N.J., got lowered by nearly $100,000. (less then 1%) Hov taking advantage of the free negative PR. We've been talking 20% price drops for over 6 months now. Sales call at The Esperanza today... Time to clean off the crystal ball for the next read. Country Wide is the lender on next weeks auction by Sheldon Good for the 4th Ave condo convert. _ _ _ _ _ _ ___ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers. yahoo.com/ dir/?link= listsid= 396545433 _ _ _ _ _ _ ___ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more.
[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Yea, just like the Liberal Progressive Democrat Assemblyman Preacher who just got caught taking bribes. That sure prooves your point. Not! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Conservatives only pretend to be religious but actually worship money. On Sep 11, 2007, at 2:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greg, While I would agree that liberals have no god is a blanket statement and is probably not 100% accurate. However, one has to agree that on the whole liberals have been far more anti-god than conservatives -Original Message- From: Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 1:55 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God Why is it true that liberals have no God? Did the Republican Party monopolize religion? On Sep 11, 2007, at 6:47 AM, Mike Hemeon wrote: Being a Conservative take more work than being a Liberal. If you're a liberal anything goes. One issue to watch in the future is National Healthcare. It is true that liberals have no god and that being said, euthanasia will become part of the National Healthcare program. I would imagine you would just check-in to a check-out center. --- justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not talking about Jersey Kevin. For you to say Conservativism is on the rise nationally - well you just aren't paying attention. The only issue out there is Iraq. All other issues that define people as conservative or liberal are barely in the political picture. If you are going to be a political advisor, you'd better be able to survey the landscape. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: It is really bugging Liberals that Conservatives are rising in America! Errr, you don't follow politics too much, do you? My political view is way beyond the local arena! New jersey is not the litmus... Watch come this Sunday - should be interesting. On the eve of The anniversary of terrorist attacks on the WTC, the Pentegon and Flight 93 - even crazed Rosie declaring we killed 655,000 Iraqi citizens. I don't know who is doing her math? __ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: City, Board of Ed, the State and...
If the reddents were flipping the bill, they would be all over this. What is sad it is the students who suffer as well as the town. I've been preaching this for years... on this board. The town picks up less then 15% or less of the total cost to run the schools. Other towns it's 85% or more. Even Long Branch is getting uppped to over 20%at least I think these numbers are close. Long Branch has built themselves some educational palaces. I;m sure Frank could be more accurate on these numbers because I haven't looked in awhile. That's why the state funding mechanisms for school repaurs and building went bankrupt, to use a real world word. Mismanagement, spending like they won the lottery, designs like they build corporate Headquarters (another who cares approach, because it's fake money..) When you go home and walk in your kitchen or bathroom, most of us might say I'd love to redo it but just don't have the money. Yet, you buy a lottery ticket and think IF I win, then I will remodel. The school spending is or has been like winning he lottery. Granted, some ways of the past had to be corrected, but the spending was like pouring a tanker truck of fuel on a pile of money and tossing a match. Now you have: 1. Empty scholol building. And, as allen pointed out, life will go on with the relocation of students. 2. YOu have another building (Braverman) that state overpaid for that might not be used for anything - or might be knocked down or rehabbed at probably 3 times the cost of the purchase price and cost to build new. 3. A board of ed that has to lease, in my opinion, costly space. But that;s ok, because the state rubber stamped it. Meanwhile, you have a stretch of springwood that sits empty and would actually make a nice spot for a school, park and playground. A strip fo stores and apartments isn';t really needed there. You;d ahve to find tenants for the stores. YOu have a whole strip across the street looking for tenants. There was.is an existing school building in eatontown, 7 acres, 26 classrooms, offices, main gym, smaller gym, lockers, 8,000 q ft of storage. It could be purchased for $5,3million and you can walk in and teach. THIS is what the real world is. The braverman building offers no land unless oyou knock it down. Jsut BURN the money. Maybe you should put out to vote to let MM just takeover the enitre city, let them do what they want. Let them control the budgets and all. Main Street, Asbury Ave, Springwood, Sunset, Deal Lake, Wesley Lake... Hey, it worked in Florida for Disney World. Aobut time the council and BOE AND the state work together, not trying to outdo each other. A real joke at the expense of the STATE tax payer. End the Abbott failure today. Not that folks aren't trying, but it ain't working. To those BOE members that are piuching their way through best of luck. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Fire Sales?
-you;re in for the long haul. To live in and enjoy. It will work for you. There is at least one out, that being it not being delivered on time (think 6 months). All money comes back. For now, AP has only 2 waterfront options - ESP and NB, Out of those, you have only so many with ACTUAL waterfront views. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
