[AsburyPark] Re: Classic Classic Classic
Huffpo as a source? Those folks are Huffing on somethihg. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joe the Plumber says Obama will mean the end of Israel. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/28/foxs-shepard-smith- forced_n_138674.html Jeremiah Wright is history to Obama...this butthead is a current darling of the crumbling GOP... and this... Top McCain Aides: 'Palin Simply Knew Nothing About National And International Issues' http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/28/top-mccain-aides-palin- si_n_138724.html and another Palin A Whack Job, Top McCain Adviser Says http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/28/palin-a-whack-job-top- mcc_n_138523.html Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Classic Classic Classic
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's classic classic classic Tommy Personalyzing. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Classic Classic Classic
It is just silly. All the issues we have before us and the story is the new house of a candidate's former preacher and that the house is large? Seriousely, what's the point? Why doesn't Fox do an expose on Sarah Palin's church? I wonder what size house that witch doctor preacher lives in :) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Classic Classic Classic
Well the rest of the media is busy reporting on Palin's clothes which she never wore. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is just silly. All the issues we have before us and the story is the new house of a candidate's former preacher and that the house is large? Seriousely, what's the point? Why doesn't Fox do an expose on Sarah Palin's church? I wonder what size house that witch doctor preacher lives in :) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Classic Classic Classic
In a message dated 10/29/2008 8:06:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is just silly. All the issues we have before us and the story is the new house of a candidate's former preacher and that the house is large? Seriousely, what's the point? == The size of our challenges [have] outgrown the smallness of our politics. October 28, Chester, PA. **Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics – check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Classic Classic Classic
In a message dated 10/29/2008 5:53:03 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's classic classic classic Tommy Personalyzing. === That's classic classic classic Tom the Political Pundit/Columnist/Poster. (Not Tommy the Person or Tom the Lawyer, whom I don't know.) That's de-personalizing. ;-) **Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics – check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Classic Classic Classic
In a message dated 10/29/2008 8:17:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well the rest of the media is busy reporting on Palin's clothes which she never wore. === Murdoch's New York Post, October 17 reported that : On October, 15,2008, Michelle Obama spent $447.39 on room service for two at the Waldorf Astoria Hotel for an afternoon snack of Lobster Hors D'Oeuvres ($50.00), Whole Steamed Lobsters (100.00), Iranian Osetra Caviar ($150.00), and Bollinger Champagne ($44.00). When they were forced to retract the story four days later, the Post said, The source who told us last week about Michelle Obama getting lobster and caviar delivered to her room at the Waldorf-Astoria must have been under the influence of a mind-altering drug. [Rush Limbaugh] She was not even staying at the Waldorf. We regret the mistake, and our former source is going to regret it, too. Bread and water would be too good for such disinformation. Despite the retraction, the story continues on the terrorist blogs. ;-( **Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics – check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Classic Classic Classic
Fail Fail Fail --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://video.aol.com/video-detail/web-exclusive/2436768689 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: True...True
There is another solution. Our country claims to have a separation of church and state yet we allow a religious institution the power of a legal institution - marriage. The issue at hand has nothing to do with religion. Marriage brings a whole host of legal protections and financial benefits such as: * Lower taxes through joint deductions (sometimes married couples pay higher taxes too, but at least this is an option). * A child born into a marriage is legally the child of both people. If one partner in a lesbian couple gives birth then her partner must adopt the baby. Extra cost, extra time for something to go horriby wrong. Sometimes a child born into a hetero marriage is not the child of the male partner right? * A single health insurance plan (gays who do receive domestic partner benefits are taxed on this perk ala John McCain's plan. It is considered extra pay by the IRS. A spouse is not taxable), * Spouses don't pay estate tax. Gays often have to set up intricate estate planningto get the same protections that straight couples just have. * I saw a post recently about an isurance agent offering life insurance to same sex partners. Good idea, but of course anyone can be named the beneficiary on someone's life insurance. Your gay partner will still have to pay taxes on the benefit. If my husband dies, I won't have to pay any taxes. * Gifts between spouses are not subject to gift tax. Any gift over $12,000 between non-spouses is taxable. * Marriage may offer financial protections in the case of divorce. * Social Security benefits go to the surviving spouse. * Property is more easily shared between married partners. Unmarried couples who jointly own a house can find themselves in a sticky situation if they split up, especially if only one person's name is on the title. The other person may have no claim to the property, even if he or she has invested significant amounts of money and labor. * Unmarried partners who share a single bank account are not protected in a breakup. All of the money could go to the person who makes the first withdrawal. Married couples - assets gained during the marriage are typically considered to be jointly owned. Those are just some of the legal protections offered through marriage. NJ Civil Unions are protected under NJ law, but may not be recognized if a couple leaves the state. There are no federal benefits from an NJ union. Americans are supposed to all have equal protection under the law. Apparently, this isn't true. If you have the time or inclination read Sandra Day O'Connor's opinion from the striking down of sodomy laws - Lawrence v. Texas. A solution - Make marriage a religious institution and civil unions a legal institution. All couples, gay or straight, who want legal status enter into a civil union. Any couple who wishes religious status can go to the faith-based institution of their choice and have a ceremony, sacrament, blessing. Church and state are separated and equal protection under the law is offered. I doubt this will play in Peoria anytime soon, but it is fair and removes the religious factor from the argument. Jennifer Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: True...True
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amazing how the thread got hijacked from what that man said in his video to an issue he did not talk about in the video (gay marriage). Why do libs change the subject when truth presents itself? There is another solution. Our country claims to have a separation of church and state yet we allow a religious institution the power of a legal institution - marriage. The issue at hand has nothing to do with religion. Marriage brings a whole host of legal protections and financial benefits such as: * Lower taxes through joint deductions (sometimes married couples pay higher taxes too, but at least this is an option). * A child born into a marriage is legally the child of both people. If one partner in a lesbian couple gives birth then her partner must adopt the baby. Extra cost, extra time for something to go horriby wrong. Sometimes a child born into a hetero marriage is not the child of the male partner right? * A single health insurance plan (gays who do receive domestic partner benefits are taxed on this perk ala John McCain's plan. It is considered extra pay by the IRS. A spouse is not taxable), * Spouses don't pay estate tax. Gays often have to set up intricate estate planningto get the same protections that straight couples just have. * I saw a post recently about an isurance agent offering life insurance to same sex partners. Good idea, but of course anyone can be named the beneficiary on someone's life insurance. Your gay partner will still have to pay taxes on the benefit. If my husband dies, I won't have to pay any taxes. * Gifts between spouses are not subject to gift tax. Any gift over $12,000 between non-spouses is taxable. * Marriage may offer financial protections in the case of divorce. * Social Security benefits go to the surviving spouse. * Property is more easily shared between married partners. Unmarried couples who jointly own a house can find themselves in a sticky situation if they split up, especially if only one person's name is on the title. The other person may have no claim to the property, even if he or she has invested significant amounts of money and labor. * Unmarried partners who share a single bank account are not protected in a breakup. All of the money could go to the person who makes the first withdrawal. Married couples - assets gained during the marriage are typically considered to be jointly owned. Those are just some of the legal protections offered through marriage. NJ Civil Unions are protected under NJ law, but may not be recognized if a couple leaves the state. There are no federal benefits from an NJ union. Americans are supposed to all have equal protection under the law. Apparently, this isn't true. If you have the time or inclination read Sandra Day O'Connor's opinion from the striking down of sodomy laws - Lawrence v. Texas. A solution - Make marriage a religious institution and civil unions a legal institution. All couples, gay or straight, who want legal status enter into a civil union. Any couple who wishes religious status can go to the faith-based institution of their choice and have a ceremony, sacrament, blessing. Church and state are separated and equal protection under the law is offered. I doubt this will play in Peoria anytime soon, but it is fair and removes the religious factor from the argument. Jennifer Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Classic Classic Classic
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/29/2008 8:17:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well the rest of the media is busy reporting on Palin's clothes which she never wore. === And why does every one STILL take the troll's bait Why can't the people who LOVE to troll go to : http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/asburypolitics Jack you started the group why not ask folks to move over there ? Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Classic Classic Classic
The message in that video isn't important to poor blacks in Asbury Park? No wonder; this is the same guy trying to convince us that Blacks supported their own segregation in AP. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: In a message dated 10/29/2008 8:17:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, justifiedright@ writes: Well the rest of the media is busy reporting on Palin's clothes which she never wore. === And why does every one STILL take the troll's bait Why can't the people who LOVE to troll go to : http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/asburypolitics Jack you started the group why not ask folks to move over there ? Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Tricks after the Treats to affect FICO Scores
Consumers Feel the Next Crisis: It’s Credit Cards, October 29, 2008 Excerpted from http://tinyurl.com/67rxxl After years of flooding Americans with credit card offers and sky-high credit lines, lenders are sharply curtailing both….The pullback is affecting even creditworthy consumers…. Lenders are shunning consumers already in debt and cutting credit limits for existing cardholders, especially those who live in areas ravaged by the housing crisis or who work in troubled industries…. The result can be a lower credit score, which forces a borrower to pay higher interest rates and makes it harder to obtain loans…. Even those with good credit ratings are not excepted. American Express, which traditionally catered to more upscale cardholders, said it would be increasing effective interest rates…. Mr. Barry said that, without any notice, American Express had reduced the credit limit on his business and personal credit card at least four times in the last year, which he said had lowered his credit score. The moves have also made it difficult for him to manage his payroll and budget, he said. == (30% of FICO = credit balances / credit limits) **Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Classic Classic Classic
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The message in that video isn't important to poor blacks in Asbury Park? No wonder; this is the same guy trying to convince us that Blacks supported their own segregation in AP. = Justifiedright LOVES to go for baiting and trolling. He has a predispositiojn to misrepresent other people's comments using 'sound bites' and twisting context. Members can review the record in the group archive. Look up bluebishop82. What 'guy' tried to convince the group of anything ?? More twisting things and BS. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Classic Classic Classic
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well the rest of the media is busy reporting on Palin's clothes which she never wore. fair point, except she DID wear the clothes. and yeah I know its not the most important thing but when someone doesn't have any substance what else can you talk about? its fun to make fun of not so smart power hungry people. whats that oscar wilde quote...It is only shallow people who do not judge by appearances. The true mystery of the world is the visible, not the invisible. one take. my favorite clothes horse pic...one of her brood carrying a louis vuitton bag. forgiven in High School girls, not grown women. is there really such a thing as hijacking a post? or is it just a matter of someone whining when it doesn't go their way? werner, we are all trolls. If HUffpo is smoking weed, FOX is snorting coke. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [AsburyPark] Voting
It is to late to register to vote in the November 4th election, and it is to late to request an absentee ballot by MAIL! You can still get an absentee ballot and vote early at the Board of Elections' office: 300 Halls Mill Road, Freehold. By law you don't need a reason, any more, to vote by absentee ballot (now called Vote By Mail). One can go to the Board's office and vote until 3:00PM of the day BEFORE (Nov. 3) the election. Michael Michael W. Brim, Municipal Chairman Asbury Park Democratic Executive Committee 321 Sunset Avenue, Unit 5F Asbury Park NJ 07712-5550 Cell: 732-996-8160 Vote from the Top of the Ticket to the Bottom or from the Bottom up! From: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gabrielle Obre Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:26 PM To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Voting Today is the last day you can request an absentee ballot. I voted yesterday because during the primary I wasn't in the book for some reason, so just to be sure I called the board of elections and they had me inactive though I have been voting (could be cuz mail was returned). I should have posted this earlier but. * For absentee ballot applications, please call 732-431-7790. * To register to vote, please call 732-431-7780. you can call just to make sure you are square in the book. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] The Vet Who Did Not Vet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03fcGelz8Hw Michael W. Brim 321 Sunset Avenue, Unit 5F Asbury Park NJ 07712-5550 Cell: 732-996-8160 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Test scores fall in Asbury
Test scores fall in Asbury BY NANCY SHIELDS COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU OCTOBER 29, 2008 ASBURY PARK Last spring's test results for city students spiraled downward in some grades and subjects, prompting new concerns and steps to help students both learn and perform well on the standardized tests. As in other school districts, the number of students deemed proficient in certain areas went down after the state Department of Education raised the achievement standards in July. On the eighth-grade math test, for example, students had to answer at least half the questions correctly to be considered proficient and the new test was more stringent than a previous test, said William Shannon, the district's director of pupil personnel services, on Tuesday. It was the report last week by Cynthia O'Connell, supervisor of guidance, that the eighth- grade math test took a hit from 22.3 percent proficient to 14.6 percent proficient, that caused some board members to express anger. This is an absolute outrage, board member Danny McKee said at the board meeting. You said numbers went down because of changed testing. . . . We're in an educational war here. The eighth-grade language arts, for example, stayed fairly much the same after jumping up two years ago. In 2006, 22.3 percent of students were proficient. In 2007, the number was 28.5, and in 2008, 29.5 percent. In the 11th-grade language arts test last spring, the percentage of students deemed proficient fell from 45.6 percent to 25.2 percent. Math proficiency dropped from 30 percent to 14 percent. Shannon said that testing in the spring of 2008 included larger numbers of students with limited English proficiency than in 2007. For example, 23 of 119 students had limited English proficiency in 2008 compared with 10 of 103 students in 2007, and that is believed to have contributed to the lower scores. District officials are working on intervention measures to improve scores. In the high school, for example, all students switched to smaller learning communities or academies this year. There's a new math curriculum and a proposal for after-school instruction. Reading specialists have been hired for all the schools, although the high school position is not yet filled, said Donna Muzzicato, the district director of curriculum, on Tuesday. Students who fall short of credits needed for graduation after four years are being encouraged to take another half-year to finish up with a degree so that they don't just disappear, Shannon said. The scores came as the school board has moved slowly to get a new permanent superintendent in place for next fall. Suspended Superintendent Antonio Lewis' contract ends in June. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: True...True
As always Jennifer, a thoughtful caring post. What if our systems provided what was needed for everyone so that marriage or civil unions provided no monetary benefit whatsoever? Lesbians could name the non biological mom at birth and it was legally accepted. What if Feminine work had fairer wages? That would help women move forward in their own autonomy. men would need to step up their emotional growth if women weren't tolerating pathological masculinity in order to maintain financial security. think of that greek play where the women refuse to sleep with their warring husbands. Then we could love our chosen partners freely without any legal monetary issues that we didn't specifically create ourselves. we would need less attorneys, maybe more of them would use their brilliance to teach our children because the pay would be higher. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is another solution. Our country claims to have a separation of church and state yet we allow a religious institution the power of a legal institution - marriage. The issue at hand has nothing to do with religion. Marriage brings a whole host of legal protections and financial benefits such as: * Lower taxes through joint deductions (sometimes married couples pay higher taxes too, but at least this is an option). * A child born into a marriage is legally the child of both people. If one partner in a lesbian couple gives birth then her partner must adopt the baby. Extra cost, extra time for something to go horriby wrong. Sometimes a child born into a hetero marriage is not the child of the male partner right? * A single health insurance plan (gays who do receive domestic partner benefits are taxed on this perk ala John McCain's plan. It is considered extra pay by the IRS. A spouse is not taxable), * Spouses don't pay estate tax. Gays often have to set up intricate estate planningto get the same protections that straight couples just have. * I saw a post recently about an isurance agent offering life insurance to same sex partners. Good idea, but of course anyone can be named the beneficiary on someone's life insurance. Your gay partner will still have to pay taxes on the benefit. If my husband dies, I won't have to pay any taxes. * Gifts between spouses are not subject to gift tax. Any gift over $12,000 between non-spouses is taxable. * Marriage may offer financial protections in the case of divorce. * Social Security benefits go to the surviving spouse. * Property is more easily shared between married partners. Unmarried couples who jointly own a house can find themselves in a sticky situation if they split up, especially if only one person's name is on the title. The other person may have no claim to the property, even if he or she has invested significant amounts of money and labor. * Unmarried partners who share a single bank account are not protected in a breakup. All of the money could go to the person who makes the first withdrawal. Married couples - assets gained during the marriage are typically considered to be jointly owned. Those are just some of the legal protections offered through marriage. NJ Civil Unions are protected under NJ law, but may not be recognized if a couple leaves the state. There are no federal benefits from an NJ union. Americans are supposed to all have equal protection under the law. Apparently, this isn't true. If you have the time or inclination read Sandra Day O'Connor's opinion from the striking down of sodomy laws - Lawrence v. Texas. A solution - Make marriage a religious institution and civil unions a legal institution. All couples, gay or straight, who want legal status enter into a civil union. Any couple who wishes religious status can go to the faith-based institution of their choice and have a ceremony, sacrament, blessing. Church and state are separated and equal protection under the law is offered. I doubt this will play in Peoria anytime soon, but it is fair and removes the religious factor from the argument. Jennifer Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Classic Classic Classic
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you don't know its rude and bad etiquette that's unfortunate. Werner etiquette shmediquette. its a yahoo list, not a débutante ball. i stab at my salad, put my elbows on the table and think farts are funny. i just think its a hoot that both you and tommy, fierce rivals, are whining about the same thing. calling people trolls is polite??? a little self reflection goes a long way towards our own happiness. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Classic Classic Classic
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: If you don't know its rude and bad etiquette that's unfortunate. Werner etiquette shmediquette. its a yahoo list, not a débutante ball. i stab at my salad, put my elbows on the table and think farts are funny. i just think its a hoot that both you and tommy, fierce rivals, are whining about the same thing. calling people trolls is polite??? a little self reflection goes a long way towards our own happiness. Do not feed the trolls and its abbreviation DNFTT redirect here. For the Wikipedia essay, see What is a troll?. For other uses see Troll (disambiguation). An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory or irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Voting
Thanks for clarifying. That's what I did. With the kooky computers I feel better having a paper ballot. I miss those levers. Be kind if you go to Freehold, those people are working HARD. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Michael W. Brim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is to late to register to vote in the November 4th election, and it is to late to request an absentee ballot by MAIL! You can still get an absentee ballot and vote early at the Board of Elections' office: 300 Halls Mill Road, Freehold. By law you don't need a reason, any more, to vote by absentee ballot (now called Vote By Mail). One can go to the Board's office and vote until 3:00PM of the day BEFORE (Nov. 3) the election. Michael Michael W. Brim, Municipal Chairman Asbury Park Democratic Executive Committee 321 Sunset Avenue, Unit 5F Asbury Park NJ 07712-5550 Cell: 732-996-8160 Vote from the Top of the Ticket to the Bottom or from the Bottom up! From: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gabrielle Obre Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:26 PM To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Voting Today is the last day you can request an absentee ballot. I voted yesterday because during the primary I wasn't in the book for some reason, so just to be sure I called the board of elections and they had me inactive though I have been voting (could be cuz mail was returned). I should have posted this earlier but. * For absentee ballot applications, please call 732-431-7790. * To register to vote, please call 732-431-7780. you can call just to make sure you are square in the book. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] I Don't Want to be in That Place!
In a message dated 10/29/2008 9:37:46 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why can't the people...go to : http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/asburypolitics Jack you started the group why not ask folks to move over there ? A handful of us have been reserving our politics for Jack's group. I in deference to Pete's wishes, especially for the last several months; when we slip up, it's an exception, not the norm. Maybe some slack should be cut, occasionally, for those who live here and/or for those posters who are courteous enough NOT to be anonymous. Although I try not to initiate a thread not relevant to AP, I'm still chewing over Billy Joel's remarks last week when he explained why he broke his own rule against celebrity endorsements: I think it was Dante that said, 'The darkest places in hell are for those who maintain neutrality in times of crisis.' I thought, OK, I don't want to be in that place. See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/asburypolitics/message/1093 Maybe our moderator should take issue with those who continually initiate the off-topic baiting threads. Some of us can't always ignore the swiftboating. Also, Taking the bait may need to be reconsidered; it's about ready to be classified as a meme. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Test scores fall in Asbury
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Test scores fall in Asbury BY NANCY SHIELDS COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU OCTOBER 29, 2008 As in other school districts, the number of students deemed proficient in certain areas went down after the state Department of Education raised the achievement standards in July. So lower them so everyone does well and we hide the truth. On the eighth-grade math test, for example, students had to answer at least half the questions correctly to be considered proficient and the new test was more stringent than a previous test, said William Shannon, the district's director of pupil personnel services, on Tuesday. Let's blame the test. If I go to a store, I want to know that If i give someone money, I get back my change correctly 100% of the time. If I hire someone and tell them if you screw up 1/2 the time or 50% of the time, you're fired, I don't want to get sued because the person didn't understand it. They should know that 50% = 1/2 and 50% right is failure. Like I said before, I got a 98 on a tax test and the professor said there is no such thing as 98 when you are doing someone's taxes (even though we know the truth). It was the report last week by Cynthia O'Connell, supervisor of guidance, that the eighth- grade math test took a hit from 22.3 percent proficient to 14.6 percent proficient, that caused some board members to express anger. that's a 65% drop, not 8.3 right? It took me two times to get the right %. The eighth-grade language arts, for example, stayed fairly much the same after jumping up two years ago. In 2006, 22.3 percent of students were proficient. In 2007, the number was 28.5, and in 2008, 29.5 percent. Good Job. That's not the same, that's a big improvement. In the 11th-grade language arts test last spring, the percentage of students deemed proficient fell from 45.6 percent to 25.2 percent. Math proficiency dropped from 30 percent to 14 percent. That makes the stock market look good. Those numbers are ugly. Shannon said that testing in the spring of 2008 included larger numbers of students with limited English proficiency than in 2007. For example, 23 of 119 students had limited English proficiency in 2008 compared with 10 of 103 students in 2007, and that is believed to have contributed to the lower scores. Ok, so you have 1/5 of the students have limted English skills. Are they in a block education system or in general population? You identified what the problem MIGHT be. ARe those the students that did poorly? District officials are working on intervention measures to improve scores. In the high school, for example, all students switched to smaller learning communities or academies this year. There's a new math curriculum and a proposal for after-school instruction. Reading specialists have been hired for all the schools, although the high school position is not yet filled, said Donna Muzzicato, the district director of curriculum, on Tuesday. All good things and costly. Ot has many of those same issues. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Test scores fall in Asbury
It shouldn't make a difference. The school systems are going for mediocrity. We wouldn't want anyone think that they failed. In Tinton Falls the middle school won't give an F. Oh no! We wouldn't want anyone to think they failed so instead they give them an E. WTF is that about? When you have any kind of competition you can't give everyone an award! There are winners and there are losers in life and that is the way it is. That is except for Socialism and that is where we are headed so everyone will be the same. Don't bother trying because it doesn't mean anything. Who cares if countries like China and India kick our asses with technology and innovation. America is slip sliding away! --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Test scores fall in Asbury To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 10:08 AM Test scores fall in Asbury BY NANCY SHIELDS COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU OCTOBER 29, 2008 ASBURY PARK Last spring's test results for city students spiraled downward in some grades and subjects, prompting new concerns and steps to help students both learn and perform well on the standardized tests. As in other school districts, the number of students deemed proficient in certain areas went down after the state Department of Education raised the achievement standards in July. On the eighth-grade math test, for example, students had to answer at least half the questions correctly to be considered proficient and the new test was more stringent than a previous test, said William Shannon, the district's director of pupil personnel services, on Tuesday. It was the report last week by Cynthia O'Connell, supervisor of guidance, that the eighth- grade math test took a hit from 22.3 percent proficient to 14.6 percent proficient, that caused some board members to express anger. This is an absolute outrage, board member Danny McKee said at the board meeting. You said numbers went down because of changed testing. . . . We're in an educational war here. The eighth-grade language arts, for example, stayed fairly much the same after jumping up two years ago. In 2006, 22.3 percent of students were proficient. In 2007, the number was 28.5, and in 2008, 29.5 percent. In the 11th-grade language arts test last spring, the percentage of students deemed proficient fell from 45.6 percent to 25.2 percent. Math proficiency dropped from 30 percent to 14 percent. Shannon said that testing in the spring of 2008 included larger numbers of students with limited English proficiency than in 2007. For example, 23 of 119 students had limited English proficiency in 2008 compared with 10 of 103 students in 2007, and that is believed to have contributed to the lower scores. District officials are working on intervention measures to improve scores. In the high school, for example, all students switched to smaller learning communities or academies this year. There's a new math curriculum and a proposal for after-school instruction. Reading specialists have been hired for all the schools, although the high school position is not yet filled, said Donna Muzzicato, the district director of curriculum, on Tuesday. Students who fall short of credits needed for graduation after four years are being encouraged to take another half-year to finish up with a degree so that they don't just disappear, Shannon said. The scores came as the school board has moved slowly to get a new permanent superintendent in place for next fall. Suspended Superintendent Antonio Lewis' contract ends in June. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] A question about Asbury Politics for Oakdorf
When Mario and I commented that Jennifer would be a great person to run for C Council you mentioned that it would be best for her to serve outside of gov. I think I remember a similar comment a long time ago... BTW, just from reading posts, it seems like Sandpiper would fit in that category. Both give such care and are capable of seeing alternative views etc.. I think I know where you are coming from, and honestly just for their own happiness I could never really push someone into that, but then, what are we to do? Who should run if not intelligent people who care and understand policy? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Classic Classic Classic
What does Fail Fail Fail mean? I watched the video and it was about Wright so what is your problem? That was his house and he is full of crap. He says what he wants about white people and then moves in among them. Guess so he can keep an eye on them. --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Classic Classic Classic To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 9:11 AM Fail Fail Fail --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ ... wrote: http://video. aol.com/video- detail/web- exclusive/ 2436768689 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Classic Classic Classic
I think that it will be the end of Israel too. Jesse Jackson didn't pull that comment he made out of thin air. Think old Jess is getting a bit senile these days. It doesn't bother me a bit though because the liberal Jews are supporting Obama. Sometimes you get what you pay for. --- On Tue, 10/28/08, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Classic Classic Classic To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 11:09 PM Joe the Plumber says Obama will mean the end of Israel. http://www.huffingt onpost.com/ 2008/10/28/ foxs-shepard- smith-forced_ n_138674. html Jeremiah Wright is history to Obama...this butthead is a current darling of the crumbling GOP... and this... Top McCain Aides: 'Palin Simply Knew Nothing About National And International Issues' http://www.huffingt onpost.com/ 2008/10/28/ top-mccain- aides-palin- si_n_138724. html and another Palin A Whack Job, Top McCain Adviser Says http://www.huffingt onpost.com/ 2008/10/28/ palin-a-whack- job-top-mcc_ n_138523. html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Hijacked from true to equal protection
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amazing how the thread got hijacked from what that man said in his video to an issue he did not talk about in the video (gay marriage). Why do libs change the subject when truth presents itself? Tommy, I get the list in a digest form. I read posts where people were writing about gay marriage. I guess that threads do lead to other thoughts. I wrote about gay marriage because it was brought up. I will change the subject now so it won't be in the same thread. Why do Conservatives turn to hate and fear mongering whenever truth and fairness present themselves? Jennifer Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Test scores fall in Asbury
I agree with you Mike, we should receive an F if we fail. again, great article on failure http://www.odemagazine.com/doc/57/in-praise-of-failure/ But please understand, sometimes winners are winners and losers are losers due to injustice, not a level playing field. And school should not be about competition. Cooperation is far more evolved and needed in our crowding planet. America isn't slip sliding away. But a pathological incarnation of patriotic ideology that has NOTHING to do with our founding documents and vision of our founders is. and AMEN to that! And...The Financial Times would NEVER endorse a Socialist, so chill out. Waiting to see what the Economist does. I posted a film on the politics yahoo list I would love for you to see and we can continue over there. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hemeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It shouldn't make a difference. The school systems are going for mediocrity. We wouldn't want anyone think that they failed. In Tinton Falls the middle school won't give an F. Oh no! We wouldn't want anyone to think they failed so instead they give them an E. WTF is that about? When you have any kind of competition you can't give everyone an award! There are winners and there are losers in life and that is the way it is. That is except for Socialism and that is where we are headed so everyone will be the same. Don't bother trying because it doesn't mean anything. Who cares if countries like China and India kick our asses with technology and innovation. America is slip sliding away! --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Test scores fall in Asbury To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 10:08 AM Test scores fall in Asbury BY NANCY SHIELDS COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU OCTOBER 29, 2008 ASBURY PARK Last spring's test results for city students spiraled downward in some grades and subjects, prompting new concerns and steps to help students both learn and perform well on the standardized tests. As in other school districts, the number of students deemed proficient in certain areas went down after the state Department of Education raised the achievement standards in July. On the eighth-grade math test, for example, students had to answer at least half the questions correctly to be considered proficient and the new test was more stringent than a previous test, said William Shannon, the district's director of pupil personnel services, on Tuesday. It was the report last week by Cynthia O'Connell, supervisor of guidance, that the eighth- grade math test took a hit from 22.3 percent proficient to 14.6 percent proficient, that caused some board members to express anger. This is an absolute outrage, board member Danny McKee said at the board meeting. You said numbers went down because of changed testing. . . . We're in an educational war here. The eighth-grade language arts, for example, stayed fairly much the same after jumping up two years ago. In 2006, 22.3 percent of students were proficient. In 2007, the number was 28.5, and in 2008, 29.5 percent. In the 11th-grade language arts test last spring, the percentage of students deemed proficient fell from 45.6 percent to 25.2 percent. Math proficiency dropped from 30 percent to 14 percent. Shannon said that testing in the spring of 2008 included larger numbers of students with limited English proficiency than in 2007. For example, 23 of 119 students had limited English proficiency in 2008 compared with 10 of 103 students in 2007, and that is believed to have contributed to the lower scores. District officials are working on intervention measures to improve scores. In the high school, for example, all students switched to smaller learning communities or academies this year. There's a new math curriculum and a proposal for after-school instruction. Reading specialists have been hired for all the schools, although the high school position is not yet filled, said Donna Muzzicato, the district director of curriculum, on Tuesday. Students who fall short of credits needed for graduation after four years are being encouraged to take another half-year to finish up with a degree so that they don't just disappear, Shannon said. The scores came as the school board has moved slowly to get a new permanent superintendent in place for next fall. Suspended Superintendent Antonio Lewis' contract ends in June. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: True...True
Really? What are all of the equal signs in Ocean Grove? Did you attend any of the shout fests next to the Big Assed Auditorium? The gay people wanted to use that beach shack to get married. Really, why do they call it God's Square Mile and every day during the summer do you hear religious fanatics spouting off about Jesus and Satan? They used to close the beach from Sunday to Monday years ago why was that? Nope Ocean Grove is not a christian town. --- On Tue, 10/28/08, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: True...True To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 4:21 PM --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Mike Hemeon tvnetdude2000@ ... wrote: Mike you have quite a few facts wrong here. I'm not a believer either but if gay people want to get married let them do it in a civil ceremony. It should not be forced down the throats of people who find some sort of comfort in religion. Nothing is forced on a church. My wife and I could have gone to a Mayor or a Judge to get married. The law would call it marriage and we would be married. My Church wouldn't recognize it. Why can't we have the same for gays? Let them marry by Judge or Mayor in the eyes of the law. The Church doesn't have to recognize it. Everyone gets what they want - people, Church and law. Ocean Grove thing still pisses me off. The land is owned by a church No it's not. It's owned by the Ocean Grove Camp Meeting Association. It's not a church; it's a non-profit company. The head of it is Rasmussen, the guy whose polls you see on TV and in the newspapers everyday. I want to see two gay people try to get married in a muslim mosque. You would see two heads bouncing down the stairs. That's why they should be allowed to get married at the Courthouse or in Council Chambers. True conservatives - we always put people first. Equal rights for gays and the newly conceived - they are all humans just like you and me. Created equal and endowed by their creator with inalienable rights. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Test scores fall in Asbury
Wealth redistribution is Socialism. Why work when you will just have to give up any excess to those that don't work or won't work. The playing field is level and it has been for years. There are certain things that individuals should be responsible for and that is getting an education. There are many people on this list including myself that started out dirt poor and crawled their way up. When you are white and poor there is no one to blame. No one to blame for holding you down. Whether you like it or not you are responsible for your own fate. --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Test scores fall in Asbury To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 11:29 AM I agree with you Mike, we should receive an F if we fail. again, great article on failure http://www.odemagaz ine.com/doc/ 57/in-praise- of-failure/ But please understand, sometimes winners are winners and losers are losers due to injustice, not a level playing field. And school should not be about competition. Cooperation is far more evolved and needed in our crowding planet. America isn't slip sliding away. But a pathological incarnation of patriotic ideology that has NOTHING to do with our founding documents and vision of our founders is. and AMEN to that! And...The Financial Times would NEVER endorse a Socialist, so chill out. Waiting to see what the Economist does. I posted a film on the politics yahoo list I would love for you to see and we can continue over there. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Mike Hemeon tvnetdude2000@ ... wrote: It shouldn't make a difference. The school systems are going for mediocrity. We wouldn't want anyone think that they failed. In Tinton Falls the middle school won't give an F. Oh no! We wouldn't want anyone to think they failed so instead they give them an E. WTF is that about? When you have any kind of competition you can't give everyone an award! There are winners and there are losers in life and that is the way it is. That is except for Socialism and that is where we are headed so everyone will be the same. Don't bother trying because it doesn't mean anything. Who cares if countries like China and India kick our asses with technology and innovation. America is slip sliding away! --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Test scores fall in Asbury To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 10:08 AM Test scores fall in Asbury BY NANCY SHIELDS COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU OCTOBER 29, 2008 ASBURY PARK Last spring's test results for city students spiraled downward in some grades and subjects, prompting new concerns and steps to help students both learn and perform well on the standardized tests. As in other school districts, the number of students deemed proficient in certain areas went down after the state Department of Education raised the achievement standards in July. On the eighth-grade math test, for example, students had to answer at least half the questions correctly to be considered proficient and the new test was more stringent than a previous test, said William Shannon, the district's director of pupil personnel services, on Tuesday. It was the report last week by Cynthia O'Connell, supervisor of guidance, that the eighth- grade math test took a hit from 22.3 percent proficient to 14.6 percent proficient, that caused some board members to express anger. This is an absolute outrage, board member Danny McKee said at the board meeting. You said numbers went down because of changed testing. . . . We're in an educational war here. The eighth-grade language arts, for example, stayed fairly much the same after jumping up two years ago. In 2006, 22.3 percent of students were proficient. In 2007, the number was 28.5, and in 2008, 29.5 percent. In the 11th-grade language arts test last spring, the percentage of students deemed proficient fell from 45.6 percent to 25.2 percent. Math proficiency dropped from 30 percent to 14 percent. Shannon said that testing in the spring of 2008 included larger numbers of students with limited English proficiency than in 2007. For example, 23 of 119 students had limited English proficiency in 2008 compared with 10 of 103 students in 2007, and that is believed to have contributed to the lower scores. District officials are working on intervention measures to improve scores. In the high school, for example, all students switched to smaller learning communities or academies this year. There's a new math curriculum and a proposal for after-school instruction. Reading specialists have been hired for all the schools, although the high school position is not yet filled, said Donna Muzzicato, the district director of curriculum, on Tuesday. Students
[AsburyPark] Re: A question about Asbury Politics for Oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I know where you are coming from, and honestly just for their own happiness I could never really push someone into that, but then, what are we to do? Don't force anyone into it. It could ruin the good in them and tie their hands and the good they may have done outside can't be accomplished on the other side. Who should run if not intelligent people who care and understand policy? Imagine if the council were made up of Tommy, Dan S, Werner, Sharon and Jack? All good people from what I know of them.Intelligent and experienced. Sometimes people who run for office have other agendas or truly believe they can do good and can cause change. But again, the good in that person or views cannot or does not always work. They may wind up having to give the seal approval. Good article in Worth Mag about Philanthropy and old billonaires vs new and what their REAL motives are for giving are - social status, tax purposes or the belief that they MAY be able to make a difference, having been successful in the past. That and they don't want to leave a legacy of do nothing families who only have to give as a job. So take Bill and Melinda Gates. Could Gates win if he were to buy the Presidency? Maybe. Everyone knows his name and either love him or hate him and the co. BUT did he give because of the antitrust issues?? Regardless, they are giving and doing on their own, in their own way and from what we hear, doing a pretty good job of it. So I'm comparing Jennifer to Gates. she gets it and probably if she had the funding would be able to continue helping. Again, I have no clue, but she sounds like she knows what she's doing. Gates on the other hand, I bumped into, for real in NYC. So far, has done me no good. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Classic Classic Classic
ok you got me I just think its natural for a conversation to change topic sometimes. I have tried to get people over to the other list to no avail and I post non ap stuff over there. Calling Tommy on his funniness is too tempting, he doesn't anger me the way he does others. I enjoy him and batting back. also generally fascinated by republican hardballs and love to point out how most of the thinking repubs are jumping ship. maybe someday tommy will ;) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do not feed the trolls and its abbreviation DNFTT redirect here. For the Wikipedia essay, see What is a troll?. For other uses see Troll (disambiguation). An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory or irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] City Council Meetings Tonight - Agendas
Friends of Asbury Park: I am writing to let you know that I have posted tonight's City Council meeting agendas on my blog at www.keadyreport.blogspot.com http://www.keadyreport.blogspot.com/ . I hope many of you will attend tonight's meetings. Have a great day! Peace, JWK Councilman James W. Keady 1 Municipal Plaza Asbury Park, NJ 07712 TEL: 732.502.5196 EM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.cityofasburypark.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Test scores fall in Asbury
responding on the other side mike... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hemeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wealth redistribution is Socialism. Why work when you will just have to give up any excess to those that don't work or won't work. The playing field is level and it has been for years. There are certain things that individuals should be responsible for and that is getting an education. There are many people on this list including myself that started out dirt poor and crawled their way up. When you are white and poor there is no one to blame. No one to blame for holding you down. Whether you like it or not you are responsible for your own fate. --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Test scores fall in Asbury To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 11:29 AM I agree with you Mike, we should receive an F if we fail. again, great article on failure http://www.odemagaz ine.com/doc/ 57/in-praise- of-failure/ But please understand, sometimes winners are winners and losers are losers due to injustice, not a level playing field. And school should not be about competition. Cooperation is far more evolved and needed in our crowding planet. America isn't slip sliding away. But a pathological incarnation of patriotic ideology that has NOTHING to do with our founding documents and vision of our founders is. and AMEN to that! And...The Financial Times would NEVER endorse a Socialist, so chill out. Waiting to see what the Economist does. I posted a film on the politics yahoo list I would love for you to see and we can continue over there. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Mike Hemeon tvnetdude2000@ ... wrote: It shouldn't make a difference. The school systems are going for mediocrity. We wouldn't want anyone think that they failed. In Tinton Falls the middle school won't give an F. Oh no! We wouldn't want anyone to think they failed so instead they give them an E. WTF is that about? When you have any kind of competition you can't give everyone an award! There are winners and there are losers in life and that is the way it is. That is except for Socialism and that is where we are headed so everyone will be the same. Don't bother trying because it doesn't mean anything. Who cares if countries like China and India kick our asses with technology and innovation. America is slip sliding away! --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: From: Jack Pitzer hinge98@ Subject: [AsburyPark] Test scores fall in Asbury To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 10:08 AM Test scores fall in Asbury BY NANCY SHIELDS COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU OCTOBER 29, 2008 ASBURY PARK Last spring's test results for city students spiraled downward in some grades and subjects, prompting new concerns and steps to help students both learn and perform well on the standardized tests. As in other school districts, the number of students deemed proficient in certain areas went down after the state Department of Education raised the achievement standards in July. On the eighth-grade math test, for example, students had to answer at least half the questions correctly to be considered proficient and the new test was more stringent than a previous test, said William Shannon, the district's director of pupil personnel services, on Tuesday. It was the report last week by Cynthia O'Connell, supervisor of guidance, that the eighth- grade math test took a hit from 22.3 percent proficient to 14.6 percent proficient, that caused some board members to express anger. This is an absolute outrage, board member Danny McKee said at the board meeting. You said numbers went down because of changed testing. . . . We're in an educational war here. The eighth-grade language arts, for example, stayed fairly much the same after jumping up two years ago. In 2006, 22.3 percent of students were proficient. In 2007, the number was 28.5, and in 2008, 29.5 percent. In the 11th-grade language arts test last spring, the percentage of students deemed proficient fell from 45.6 percent to 25.2 percent. Math proficiency dropped from 30 percent to 14 percent. Shannon said that testing in the spring of 2008 included larger numbers of students with limited English proficiency than in 2007. For example, 23 of 119 students had limited English proficiency in 2008 compared with 10 of 103 students in 2007, and that is believed to have contributed to the lower scores. District officials are working on intervention measures to improve scores. In the high school, for example, all students switched to smaller learning communities or academies this year. There's a new math curriculum and a proposal for after-school
[AsburyPark] Re: Test scores fall in Asbury
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You almost HAVE to tell you're kid to CHEAT if they have to. That way, they get to learn business. Backstab anyone you can to get ahead, cause it will be done to you wow...this is a little scary. i think our country is in a huge mess because of behavior you tout. I was wrong, I didn't know where you were coming from. Now I do. I am grateful I live outside this perception. My mom managed to be a single mother, run a successful small biz and put me through college without this attitude. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Test scores fall in Asbury
In general, our schools spend too much time on sports and not enough time on education. Kids in sports get rewarded for athletic ability. They get into newspapers for it. They get scholarships for it. Why not start rewarding being smart and innovative in the same way? I think kids of today have the perception that they are so ready for the world because they are good at computers via Facebook and MySpace, but to me, that means nothing. It just means hoards of kids at home, staring at a box. I --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - School is ALL about competition - among students, teachers, parents admins and lawyers. You almost HAVE to tell you're kid to CHEAT if they have to. That way, they get to learn business. Backstab anyone you can to get ahead, cause it will be done to you Competiton to get into the right school, to hang with the right people to get the right teacher, to get your kid seen as a good kid. You know why teachers do projects in school? To make sure the KID is doing their own work and not the parent or friend. My kid was in average classes in OT the past few years but a whiz in math and science and he wants to be doctor... I finalyl got hom moved from the block he was in to advanced classes. He's doing fine. Better kids and teachers have the opportunity to teach. We were in the bookstore last night, I grabbed an MCAT book and showed it to him and told him to read it. I'm only in 10th grade. So what. Later, he told me he knoew a few of the answers (I didn't) from what he looked at and realized his new science teacher taught him that so far this year. The same guy who said by May or MArch they kids in his class will actaully know what's on the 10th grade Science Apt test. (whatever its called) vs other kids who get pretty grades and candy for sitting there and will have no clue what's on the test when it comes. So far, so good. I believe him. And it makes my kid feel good. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Test scores fall in Asbury
- School is ALL about competition - among students, teachers, parents admins and lawyers. You almost HAVE to tell you're kid to CHEAT if they have to. That way, they get to learn business. Backstab anyone you can to get ahead, cause it will be done to you Competiton to get into the right school, to hang with the right people to get the right teacher, to get your kid seen as a good kid. You know why teachers do projects in school? To make sure the KID is doing their own work and not the parent or friend. My kid was in average classes in OT the past few years but a whiz in math and science and he wants to be doctor... I finalyl got hom moved from the block he was in to advanced classes. He's doing fine. Better kids and teachers have the opportunity to teach. We were in the bookstore last night, I grabbed an MCAT book and showed it to him and told him to read it. I'm only in 10th grade. So what. Later, he told me he knoew a few of the answers (I didn't) from what he looked at and realized his new science teacher taught him that so far this year. The same guy who said by May or MArch they kids in his class will actaully know what's on the 10th grade Science Apt test. (whatever its called) vs other kids who get pretty grades and candy for sitting there and will have no clue what's on the test when it comes. So far, so good. I believe him. And it makes my kid feel good. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
BTW I just realized this writer is the gay human/animal rights activist. Cool guy Read an article of his in a cool NJ Gay mag that I can't recall the name of. Go to freehold and vote on paper. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Test scores fall in Asbury
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: wow...this is a little scary. i think our country is in a huge mess because of behavior you tout. I was wrong, I didn't know where you were coming from. Now I do. No,you were right the first time. There's plenty of people who wil do anything they can do get ahead, regardless. The point being, competition is everywhere you go. Somehow, you have to stand out or go with the flow. Kids compete in school. Some parents hire trainers to train their athletes or future doctors, move to the right districts or either education or sports and market their kids like a piece of meat. Others, like me, keep my fingers crossed and tell them it not the teachers fault. Just read, read read and don't be an asshole /respect the teachers like them or not. PROVE YOU are good. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe our moderator should take issue with those who continually initiate the off-topic baiting threads. Some of us can't always ignore the swiftboating. Maybe I need a primary on relatedness...what qualifies as being about or helpful to AP or not. I also need some guidence on selective enforcement v broad enforcement. Oak and Dan S can initiate and post endlessly on national finance and/or housing with no direct link to AP. It can go on for months with no one calling them troll or objecting because the topic has no dicrect AP relecvance. Perhaps the rule of relevancy is so broad that because AP'ers have to have money, any topic about money is OK? AP'er have to live in a house, so any topic about housing is OK? That's pretty broad. Well, AP is a town that is primalry Black, primarily poor and votes 4 to 1 Democrat. So I post a video about why Black and poor folks need to switch parties, and that is in no way AP related, while any post about national finance is? I think the problem here is teams. Most people see ideological teammates here. One of your teammates can ramble off Asbury Topic forever. Let a non- teammate go even tangentially topical and right away there is an uprising. It's always been a postion of mine that one of Asbury Park's most serious shortcomings is its complete refusal to track how decisions made at the county state and national leves affect them. Far more important than whether someone thinks a street light is too bright. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Hijacked from true to equal protection
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do Conservatives turn to hate and fear mongering whenever truth and fairness present themselves? Jennifer Sure... http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,444712,00.html Try this reading this... http://tinyurl.com/5hdp4t And let's not forget who it is that tries to convince us human existance could end because the earth warmed less than 1 degree last centruy. Fear mongering anyone? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Hijacked from true to equal protection
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sorry, but Elisabeth Hasselback getting death threats has what do with the original question? A book about Howard Dean and angry pundits has what to do with the question? Your quote accused conservative of hate and fear mongering. The posts were disprove your point - it's the libs that are unhinged. Changing the subject back, let me use a clear example Our policies should aim to strengthen families, not undermine them. And changing the definition of marriage would undermine the family structure, George W. Bush How? Are my lesbian friends and their sons less a family than my straight friends are? How does their marriage weaken mine? Why would anyone even think that their marriage would be undermined by another family? A liberals quote from on the same topic - The Defense of Marriage Act A vote for this amendment is a vote for bigotry pure and simple, Senator Edward M. Kennedy. The Defense of Marriage Act was signed by President Clinton, not President Bush. If you are for equalizing gay rights, you have no dog in this Presidential hunt. Both candidates said at debate they agree with one another - neither will equalize the marriage rights (rather lack thereof) for gays. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oak and Dan S can initiate and post endlessly on national finance and/or housing with no direct link to AP. It all impacts AP IF you look at the big picture. If I told you two to three years ago there is not enough demand for what's being built, it might have an impact. I do go off, I agree. So back to hiding and you can go to my websites for stuff about the boardwalk and surrounding community or for things that attract a national audience, go to my National Landlord Tenant Guide @ http://www.rentlaw.com . There's work to do. Join for free and you might get a newsletter every month. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [AsburyPark] The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
If you feel your vote will not be counted, as outlined below. You can make sure it is counted the way it should be! Take the 20 minute drive (+/-) and head over to the Monmouth County Board of Elections, 300 Halls Mill Road, Freehold. You may have to stand in lines to vote by absentee ballot, but it will be a paper vote vs. the bad machine! Michael Michael W. Brim, Municipal Chairman Asbury Park Democratic Executive Committee 321 Sunset Avenue, Unit 5F Asbury Park NJ 07712-5550 Cell: 732-996-8160 From: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gabrielle Obre Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:32 PM To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate This is FREAKING me out. No intention to troll, just reach more people. This is ONE of MANY articles. Call in the international election monitors! http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2008/10/29-0 Published on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 by The Independent/UK The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate by Peter Tatchell As early voting in the US presidential elections gets underway, ESS iVotronics touch-screen electronic voting machines have been observed in four separate states [1] flipping the votes - mostly from Barack Obama to John McCain but sometimes to third party candidates too. This has already occurred during early voting in the states of West Virginia, Tennessee, Missouri and Texas. A county clerk in West Virginia invited a video crew to watch his demonstration of the reliability of the disputed voting machines but instead he saw the machine flipping the votes, as critics claimed. He put this down to the faulty calibration of the voting machine. However, even after he recalibrated the machine it continued to flip votes. Watch the video here: This is further evidence that the electronic voting machines that will be used in the 4 November election are not reliable and accurate - that they are prone to malfunction and may not record the actual vote winner. Democrats are not the only people who are worried. Stephen Spoonamore, a Republican security expert, explains why electronic voting is inherently unsafe in an eight part series of interviews. You can watch Part 1, and access Parts 2 to 7, here [2]. Writing in the New Statesman way back in 2004, reflecting on criticisms of the electronic voting systems used in the presidential election that year, Michael Meacher MP pointed out that statisticians, academics and political analysts had highlighted significant voting differences [3] between electoral districts that used paper ballots and those that used electronic systems. These cannot be explained by random variation. The investigators found a much larger variance than expected and in every case it favoured George W Bush over John Kerry. In Wisconsin and Ohio, the discrepancy favoured Bush by 4 per cent, in Pennsylvania by 5 per cent, in Florida and Minnesota by 7 per cent, in North Carolina by 9 per cent and in New Hampshire by a whopping 15 per cent. Research by the University of Berkeley, California, revealed election irregularities in 2004 in Florida. These irregularities, all of which were associated with electronic voting machines, appear to have awarded between 130,000 to 260,000 additional votes to Bush. The discrepancies between paper and electronic voting could be the result of simple technological glitches. But some experts detect something more sinister: outright vote fixing by interference with voting machine and tabulation software. Meacher [3] reported that Diebold company voting machines and optical scanners may not be tamper-proof from hacking, particularly via remote modems. Diebold machines were used in counting a substantial proportion of the 2004 votes and will be used again in next week's presidential poll. Two US computer security experts, in their book Black Box Voting [4], state that by entering a two-digit code in a hidden location, a second set of votes is created; and this set of votes can be changed in a matter of seconds, so that it no longer matches the correct votes. This is entirely possible, according to Clinton Curtis, a Florida computer programmer. He has confirmed that in 2000 he designed an undetectable programme for Republican congressman Tom Feeney. It was created to rig elections by covertly switching votes from one candidate to another to ensure a predetermined ballot outcome. See a video of his sworn testimony here [5]. As Robert F Kennedy Jr, nephew of JFK, has exposed [6], the US is one of the few democracies that allow private, partisan companies to secretly count votes using their own proprietary software. Moreover, the vast majority of western democracies have independent Election Commissions to oversee voting methods and corroborate the results. The US does not. Most election ballots next week will be tallied or scanned by four private companies -
[AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
Michael- Are you aware of whether there will be local attorneys or others around to assist voters in AP if there is a voting machine or other issue? I am aware that there will be a number of attorneys available generally, I was just wondering whether there would be any here (as we are not a battle ground state). --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Michael W. Brim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you feel your vote will not be counted, as outlined below. You can make sure it is counted the way it should be! Take the 20 minute drive (+/-) and head over to the Monmouth County Board of Elections, 300 Halls Mill Road, Freehold. You may have to stand in lines to vote by absentee ballot, but it will be a paper vote vs. the bad machine! Michael Michael W. Brim, Municipal Chairman Asbury Park Democratic Executive Committee 321 Sunset Avenue, Unit 5F Asbury Park NJ 07712-5550 Cell: 732-996-8160 From: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gabrielle Obre Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:32 PM To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate This is FREAKING me out. No intention to troll, just reach more people. This is ONE of MANY articles. Call in the international election monitors! http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2008/10/29-0 Published on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 by The Independent/UK The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate by Peter Tatchell As early voting in the US presidential elections gets underway, ESS iVotronics touch-screen electronic voting machines have been observed in four separate states [1] flipping the votes - mostly from Barack Obama to John McCain but sometimes to third party candidates too. This has already occurred during early voting in the states of West Virginia, Tennessee, Missouri and Texas. A county clerk in West Virginia invited a video crew to watch his demonstration of the reliability of the disputed voting machines but instead he saw the machine flipping the votes, as critics claimed. He put this down to the faulty calibration of the voting machine. However, even after he recalibrated the machine it continued to flip votes. Watch the video here: This is further evidence that the electronic voting machines that will be used in the 4 November election are not reliable and accurate - that they are prone to malfunction and may not record the actual vote winner. Democrats are not the only people who are worried. Stephen Spoonamore, a Republican security expert, explains why electronic voting is inherently unsafe in an eight part series of interviews. You can watch Part 1, and access Parts 2 to 7, here [2]. Writing in the New Statesman way back in 2004, reflecting on criticisms of the electronic voting systems used in the presidential election that year, Michael Meacher MP pointed out that statisticians, academics and political analysts had highlighted significant voting differences [3] between electoral districts that used paper ballots and those that used electronic systems. These cannot be explained by random variation. The investigators found a much larger variance than expected and in every case it favoured George W Bush over John Kerry. In Wisconsin and Ohio, the discrepancy favoured Bush by 4 per cent, in Pennsylvania by 5 per cent, in Florida and Minnesota by 7 per cent, in North Carolina by 9 per cent and in New Hampshire by a whopping 15 per cent. Research by the University of Berkeley, California, revealed election irregularities in 2004 in Florida. These irregularities, all of which were associated with electronic voting machines, appear to have awarded between 130,000 to 260,000 additional votes to Bush. The discrepancies between paper and electronic voting could be the result of simple technological glitches. But some experts detect something more sinister: outright vote fixing by interference with voting machine and tabulation software. Meacher [3] reported that Diebold company voting machines and optical scanners may not be tamper-proof from hacking, particularly via remote modems. Diebold machines were used in counting a substantial proportion of the 2004 votes and will be used again in next week's presidential poll. Two US computer security experts, in their book Black Box Voting [4], state that by entering a two-digit code in a hidden location, a second set of votes is created; and this set of votes can be changed in a matter of seconds, so that it no longer matches the correct votes. This is entirely possible, according to Clinton Curtis, a Florida computer programmer. He has confirmed that in 2000 he designed an undetectable programme for Republican congressman Tom Feeney. It was created to rig elections by covertly switching votes from one
[AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Oak and Dan S can initiate and post endlessly on national finance and/or housing with no direct link to AP. It all impacts AP IF you look at the big picture. If I told you two to three years ago there is not enough demand for what's being built, it might have an impact. I do go off, I agree. But never, ever taken to task for it or called a troll. Double standards say more about the people who have them than their targets. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
Or call Obama's Acorn, and they'll help you vote dozens and dozens of times! Remember the good old days when the left just yelled voter fraud even when there was none (that's right out of the DNC hand book - I can link it if you wish). Now they've graduated to performing illegal acts of voter fraud, and the issue seems to be no big deal anymore. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Michael W. Brim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you feel your vote will not be counted, as outlined below. You can make sure it is counted the way it should be! Take the 20 minute drive (+/-) and head over to the Monmouth County Board of Elections, 300 Halls Mill Road, Freehold. You may have to stand in lines to vote by absentee ballot, but it will be a paper vote vs. the bad machine! Michael Michael W. Brim, Municipal Chairman Asbury Park Democratic Executive Committee 321 Sunset Avenue, Unit 5F Asbury Park NJ 07712-5550 Cell: 732-996-8160 From: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gabrielle Obre Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:32 PM To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate This is FREAKING me out. No intention to troll, just reach more people. This is ONE of MANY articles. Call in the international election monitors! http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2008/10/29-0 Published on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 by The Independent/UK The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate by Peter Tatchell As early voting in the US presidential elections gets underway, ESS iVotronics touch-screen electronic voting machines have been observed in four separate states [1] flipping the votes - mostly from Barack Obama to John McCain but sometimes to third party candidates too. This has already occurred during early voting in the states of West Virginia, Tennessee, Missouri and Texas. A county clerk in West Virginia invited a video crew to watch his demonstration of the reliability of the disputed voting machines but instead he saw the machine flipping the votes, as critics claimed. He put this down to the faulty calibration of the voting machine. However, even after he recalibrated the machine it continued to flip votes. Watch the video here: This is further evidence that the electronic voting machines that will be used in the 4 November election are not reliable and accurate - that they are prone to malfunction and may not record the actual vote winner. Democrats are not the only people who are worried. Stephen Spoonamore, a Republican security expert, explains why electronic voting is inherently unsafe in an eight part series of interviews. You can watch Part 1, and access Parts 2 to 7, here [2]. Writing in the New Statesman way back in 2004, reflecting on criticisms of the electronic voting systems used in the presidential election that year, Michael Meacher MP pointed out that statisticians, academics and political analysts had highlighted significant voting differences [3] between electoral districts that used paper ballots and those that used electronic systems. These cannot be explained by random variation. The investigators found a much larger variance than expected and in every case it favoured George W Bush over John Kerry. In Wisconsin and Ohio, the discrepancy favoured Bush by 4 per cent, in Pennsylvania by 5 per cent, in Florida and Minnesota by 7 per cent, in North Carolina by 9 per cent and in New Hampshire by a whopping 15 per cent. Research by the University of Berkeley, California, revealed election irregularities in 2004 in Florida. These irregularities, all of which were associated with electronic voting machines, appear to have awarded between 130,000 to 260,000 additional votes to Bush. The discrepancies between paper and electronic voting could be the result of simple technological glitches. But some experts detect something more sinister: outright vote fixing by interference with voting machine and tabulation software. Meacher [3] reported that Diebold company voting machines and optical scanners may not be tamper-proof from hacking, particularly via remote modems. Diebold machines were used in counting a substantial proportion of the 2004 votes and will be used again in next week's presidential poll. Two US computer security experts, in their book Black Box Voting [4], state that by entering a two-digit code in a hidden location, a second set of votes is created; and this set of votes can be changed in a matter of seconds, so that it no longer matches the correct votes. This is entirely possible, according to Clinton Curtis, a Florida computer programmer. He has confirmed that in 2000 he designed an undetectable programme for Republican congressman Tom Feeney. It was created to rig elections by covertly switching votes from one
[AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
What makes you a troll, unlike Oak, is that you say thinks like the below that are just downright inflamatory. I know I should not even engage, but go to factcheck.org and read about Acorn if you would like to educate yourself. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or call Obama's Acorn, and they'll help you vote dozens and dozens of times! Remember the good old days when the left just yelled voter fraud even when there was none (that's right out of the DNC hand book - I can link it if you wish). Now they've graduated to performing illegal acts of voter fraud, and the issue seems to be no big deal anymore. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Michael W. Brim mwbnj@ wrote: If you feel your vote will not be counted, as outlined below. You can make sure it is counted the way it should be! Take the 20 minute drive (+/-) and head over to the Monmouth County Board of Elections, 300 Halls Mill Road, Freehold. You may have to stand in lines to vote by absentee ballot, but it will be a paper vote vs. the bad machine! Michael Michael W. Brim, Municipal Chairman Asbury Park Democratic Executive Committee 321 Sunset Avenue, Unit 5F Asbury Park NJ 07712-5550 Cell: 732-996-8160 From: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gabrielle Obre Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:32 PM To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate This is FREAKING me out. No intention to troll, just reach more people. This is ONE of MANY articles. Call in the international election monitors! http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2008/10/29-0 Published on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 by The Independent/UK The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate by Peter Tatchell As early voting in the US presidential elections gets underway, ESS iVotronics touch-screen electronic voting machines have been observed in four separate states [1] flipping the votes - mostly from Barack Obama to John McCain but sometimes to third party candidates too. This has already occurred during early voting in the states of West Virginia, Tennessee, Missouri and Texas. A county clerk in West Virginia invited a video crew to watch his demonstration of the reliability of the disputed voting machines but instead he saw the machine flipping the votes, as critics claimed. He put this down to the faulty calibration of the voting machine. However, even after he recalibrated the machine it continued to flip votes. Watch the video here: This is further evidence that the electronic voting machines that will be used in the 4 November election are not reliable and accurate - that they are prone to malfunction and may not record the actual vote winner. Democrats are not the only people who are worried. Stephen Spoonamore, a Republican security expert, explains why electronic voting is inherently unsafe in an eight part series of interviews. You can watch Part 1, and access Parts 2 to 7, here [2]. Writing in the New Statesman way back in 2004, reflecting on criticisms of the electronic voting systems used in the presidential election that year, Michael Meacher MP pointed out that statisticians, academics and political analysts had highlighted significant voting differences [3] between electoral districts that used paper ballots and those that used electronic systems. These cannot be explained by random variation. The investigators found a much larger variance than expected and in every case it favoured George W Bush over John Kerry. In Wisconsin and Ohio, the discrepancy favoured Bush by 4 per cent, in Pennsylvania by 5 per cent, in Florida and Minnesota by 7 per cent, in North Carolina by 9 per cent and in New Hampshire by a whopping 15 per cent. Research by the University of Berkeley, California, revealed election irregularities in 2004 in Florida. These irregularities, all of which were associated with electronic voting machines, appear to have awarded between 130,000 to 260,000 additional votes to Bush. The discrepancies between paper and electronic voting could be the result of simple technological glitches. But some experts detect something more sinister: outright vote fixing by interference with voting machine and tabulation software. Meacher [3] reported that Diebold company voting machines and optical scanners may not be tamper-proof from hacking, particularly via remote modems. Diebold machines were used in counting a substantial proportion of the 2004 votes and will be used again in next week's presidential poll. Two US computer security experts, in their book Black Box Voting [4], state that by
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!
VICTIM! On Oct 29, 2008, at 12:47 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe our moderator should take issue with those who continually initiate the off-topic baiting threads. Some of us can't always ignore the swiftboating. Maybe I need a primary on relatedness...what qualifies as being about or helpful to AP or not. I also need some guidence on selective enforcement v broad enforcement. Oak and Dan S can initiate and post endlessly on national finance and/or housing with no direct link to AP. It can go on for months with no one calling them troll or objecting because the topic has no dicrect AP relecvance. Perhaps the rule of relevancy is so broad that because AP'ers have to have money, any topic about money is OK? AP'er have to live in a house, so any topic about housing is OK? That's pretty broad. Well, AP is a town that is primalry Black, primarily poor and votes 4 to 1 Democrat. So I post a video about why Black and poor folks need to switch parties, and that is in no way AP related, while any post about national finance is? I think the problem here is teams. Most people see ideological teammates here. One of your teammates can ramble off Asbury Topic forever. Let a non- teammate go even tangentially topical and right away there is an uprising. It's always been a postion of mine that one of Asbury Park's most serious shortcomings is its complete refusal to track how decisions made at the county state and national leves affect them. Far more important than whether someone thinks a street light is too bright. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
http://www.bradblog.com/?page_id=6500 On Oct 29, 2008, at 2:16 PM, justifiedright wrote: Or call Obama's Acorn, and they'll help you vote dozens and dozens of times! Remember the good old days when the left just yelled voter fraud even when there was none (that's right out of the DNC hand book - I can link it if you wish). Now they've graduated to performing illegal acts of voter fraud, and the issue seems to be no big deal anymore. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Michael W. Brim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you feel your vote will not be counted, as outlined below. You can make sure it is counted the way it should be! Take the 20 minute drive (+/-) and head over to the Monmouth County Board of Elections, 300 Halls Mill Road, Freehold. You may have to stand in lines to vote by absentee ballot, but it will be a paper vote vs. the bad machine! Michael Michael W. Brim, Municipal Chairman Asbury Park Democratic Executive Committee 321 Sunset Avenue, Unit 5F Asbury Park NJ 07712-5550 Cell: 732-996-8160 From: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gabrielle Obre Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:32 PM To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate This is FREAKING me out. No intention to troll, just reach more people. This is ONE of MANY articles. Call in the international election monitors! http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2008/10/29-0 Published on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 by The Independent/UK The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate by Peter Tatchell As early voting in the US presidential elections gets underway, ESS iVotronics touch-screen electronic voting machines have been observed in four separate states [1] flipping the votes - mostly from Barack Obama to John McCain but sometimes to third party candidates too. This has already occurred during early voting in the states of West Virginia, Tennessee, Missouri and Texas. A county clerk in West Virginia invited a video crew to watch his demonstration of the reliability of the disputed voting machines but instead he saw the machine flipping the votes, as critics claimed. He put this down to the faulty calibration of the voting machine. However, even after he recalibrated the machine it continued to flip votes. Watch the video here: This is further evidence that the electronic voting machines that will be used in the 4 November election are not reliable and accurate - that they are prone to malfunction and may not record the actual vote winner. Democrats are not the only people who are worried. Stephen Spoonamore, a Republican security expert, explains why electronic voting is inherently unsafe in an eight part series of interviews. You can watch Part 1, and access Parts 2 to 7, here [2]. Writing in the New Statesman way back in 2004, reflecting on criticisms of the electronic voting systems used in the presidential election that year, Michael Meacher MP pointed out that statisticians, academics and political analysts had highlighted significant voting differences [3] between electoral districts that used paper ballots and those that used electronic systems. These cannot be explained by random variation. The investigators found a much larger variance than expected and in every case it favoured George W Bush over John Kerry. In Wisconsin and Ohio, the discrepancy favoured Bush by 4 per cent, in Pennsylvania by 5 per cent, in Florida and Minnesota by 7 per cent, in North Carolina by 9 per cent and in New Hampshire by a whopping 15 per cent. Research by the University of Berkeley, California, revealed election irregularities in 2004 in Florida. These irregularities, all of which were associated with electronic voting machines, appear to have awarded between 130,000 to 260,000 additional votes to Bush. The discrepancies between paper and electronic voting could be the result of simple technological glitches. But some experts detect something more sinister: outright vote fixing by interference with voting machine and tabulation software. Meacher [3] reported that Diebold company voting machines and optical scanners may not be tamper-proof from hacking, particularly via remote modems. Diebold machines were used in counting a substantial proportion of the 2004 votes and will be used again in next week's presidential poll. Two US computer security experts, in their book Black Box Voting [4], state that by entering a two-digit code in a hidden location, a second set of votes is created; and this set of votes can be changed in a matter of seconds, so that it no longer matches the correct votes. This is entirely possible, according to
[AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
It's not Obama's Acorn. It's simply Acorn, and the facts being put out by Fox news are just plain BS. The era of 24/7 news outlets is doing more to hurt this country, if not world, then help it. Also, let's also mention that certain rouge factions of the Republican party have gone into certain communities and put out fliers telling them if they go to vote, and they have outstanding warrants, they'll be arrested. In other places, similar fliers are telling people that the election date has been changed from the 4th to the 5th. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or call Obama's Acorn, and they'll help you vote dozens and dozens of times! Remember the good old days when the left just yelled voter fraud even when there was none (that's right out of the DNC hand book - I can link it if you wish). Now they've graduated to performing illegal acts of voter fraud, and the issue seems to be no big deal anymore. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Michael W. Brim mwbnj@ wrote: If you feel your vote will not be counted, as outlined below. You can make sure it is counted the way it should be! Take the 20 minute drive (+/-) and head over to the Monmouth County Board of Elections, 300 Halls Mill Road, Freehold. You may have to stand in lines to vote by absentee ballot, but it will be a paper vote vs. the bad machine! Michael Michael W. Brim, Municipal Chairman Asbury Park Democratic Executive Committee 321 Sunset Avenue, Unit 5F Asbury Park NJ 07712-5550 Cell: 732-996-8160 From: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gabrielle Obre Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:32 PM To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate This is FREAKING me out. No intention to troll, just reach more people. This is ONE of MANY articles. Call in the international election monitors! http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2008/10/29-0 Published on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 by The Independent/UK The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate by Peter Tatchell As early voting in the US presidential elections gets underway, ESS iVotronics touch-screen electronic voting machines have been observed in four separate states [1] flipping the votes - mostly from Barack Obama to John McCain but sometimes to third party candidates too. This has already occurred during early voting in the states of West Virginia, Tennessee, Missouri and Texas. A county clerk in West Virginia invited a video crew to watch his demonstration of the reliability of the disputed voting machines but instead he saw the machine flipping the votes, as critics claimed. He put this down to the faulty calibration of the voting machine. However, even after he recalibrated the machine it continued to flip votes. Watch the video here: This is further evidence that the electronic voting machines that will be used in the 4 November election are not reliable and accurate - that they are prone to malfunction and may not record the actual vote winner. Democrats are not the only people who are worried. Stephen Spoonamore, a Republican security expert, explains why electronic voting is inherently unsafe in an eight part series of interviews. You can watch Part 1, and access Parts 2 to 7, here [2]. Writing in the New Statesman way back in 2004, reflecting on criticisms of the electronic voting systems used in the presidential election that year, Michael Meacher MP pointed out that statisticians, academics and political analysts had highlighted significant voting differences [3] between electoral districts that used paper ballots and those that used electronic systems. These cannot be explained by random variation. The investigators found a much larger variance than expected and in every case it favoured George W Bush over John Kerry. In Wisconsin and Ohio, the discrepancy favoured Bush by 4 per cent, in Pennsylvania by 5 per cent, in Florida and Minnesota by 7 per cent, in North Carolina by 9 per cent and in New Hampshire by a whopping 15 per cent. Research by the University of Berkeley, California, revealed election irregularities in 2004 in Florida. These irregularities, all of which were associated with electronic voting machines, appear to have awarded between 130,000 to 260,000 additional votes to Bush. The discrepancies between paper and electronic voting could be the result of simple technological glitches. But some experts detect something more sinister: outright vote fixing by interference with voting machine and tabulation software. Meacher [3] reported that Diebold company voting machines and optical scanners may not be tamper-proof from hacking,
[AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
If you would like to try to understand why Tommy and other desperate republicans keep repeating things that are simply inaccurate have a read on worldview and consciousness here http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1572245336/ref=sib_dp_pt#reader-link go to page 18 and read the paragraph headed with Consciousness and Worldview heres one line We can get pretty attached to what we think is true, important and real -- even when presented with evidence to the contrary. To a great extent, our worldview determines what we are capable of seeing, and therefore determines our perceptions of reality. Of course this refers to everyone, not just blinded repubs...and has something to do with our failure to come up with solutions to problems. We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. Einstein (an elitist) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.bradblog.com/?page_id=6500 On Oct 29, 2008, at 2:16 PM, justifiedright wrote: Or call Obama's Acorn, and they'll help you vote dozens and dozens of times! Remember the good old days when the left just yelled voter fraud even when there was none (that's right out of the DNC hand book - I can link it if you wish). Now they've graduated to performing illegal acts of voter fraud, and the issue seems to be no big deal anymore. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Michael W. Brim mwbnj@ wrote: If you feel your vote will not be counted, as outlined below. You can make sure it is counted the way it should be! Take the 20 minute drive (+/-) and head over to the Monmouth County Board of Elections, 300 Halls Mill Road, Freehold. You may have to stand in lines to vote by absentee ballot, but it will be a paper vote vs. the bad machine! Michael Michael W. Brim, Municipal Chairman Asbury Park Democratic Executive Committee 321 Sunset Avenue, Unit 5F Asbury Park NJ 07712-5550 Cell: 732-996-8160 From: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gabrielle Obre Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:32 PM To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate This is FREAKING me out. No intention to troll, just reach more people. This is ONE of MANY articles. Call in the international election monitors! http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2008/10/29-0 Published on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 by The Independent/UK The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate by Peter Tatchell As early voting in the US presidential elections gets underway, ESS iVotronics touch-screen electronic voting machines have been observed in four separate states [1] flipping the votes - mostly from Barack Obama to John McCain but sometimes to third party candidates too. This has already occurred during early voting in the states of West Virginia, Tennessee, Missouri and Texas. A county clerk in West Virginia invited a video crew to watch his demonstration of the reliability of the disputed voting machines but instead he saw the machine flipping the votes, as critics claimed. He put this down to the faulty calibration of the voting machine. However, even after he recalibrated the machine it continued to flip votes. Watch the video here: This is further evidence that the electronic voting machines that will be used in the 4 November election are not reliable and accurate - that they are prone to malfunction and may not record the actual vote winner. Democrats are not the only people who are worried. Stephen Spoonamore, a Republican security expert, explains why electronic voting is inherently unsafe in an eight part series of interviews. You can watch Part 1, and access Parts 2 to 7, here [2]. Writing in the New Statesman way back in 2004, reflecting on criticisms of the electronic voting systems used in the presidential election that year, Michael Meacher MP pointed out that statisticians, academics and political analysts had highlighted significant voting differences [3] between electoral districts that used paper ballots and those that used electronic systems. These cannot be explained by random variation. The investigators found a much larger variance than expected and in every case it favoured George W Bush over John Kerry. In Wisconsin and Ohio, the discrepancy favoured Bush by 4 per cent, in Pennsylvania by 5 per cent, in Florida and Minnesota by 7 per cent, in North Carolina by 9 per cent and in New Hampshire by a whopping 15 per cent. Research by the University of Berkeley, California, revealed election irregularities in 2004 in Florida.
[AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know I should not even engage, but go to factcheck.org and read about Acorn if you would like to educate yourself. I did and thank you. It confirmed what I knew. The only area they disagree with McCain about is that Acorn folks have only committed Voter Registration Fraud not Voter Fraud because election day is not here yet. So voter registration fraud is OK then? It's the preparation one must do to commit voter fraud. Factcheck.org gets one thing wrong themselves, in saying the Obama camp in the general election have not worked with Acorn. Michelle Malkin has an invitation on her site to a joint campaign event by Obama and Acorn. Factcheck.org then goes on to confirm not only Obama's connection to Acorn, but also takes him to task for denying it. Thanks again. Confirmed it all for me. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your quote accused conservative of hate and fear mongering. The posts were disprove your point - it's the libs that are unhinged. No Sir, you said Liberals alway change the subject in a response to a post I wrote about separating marriage from the state. I replied that I wasn't changing a subject, but contributing my own thought on the topic which had already begun. I simply replied to you with a question about Conservatives trying to scare people and stir up anger and hatred by fear mongering. No one is shouting to kill McCain or Palin at Obama rallies. You came back with some angry people threatening a woman who exists to be the voice of soccer moms everyhwere. I gave you some very clear examples and quotes from Republicans on the original topic - civil rights for gay couples. I did name the wrong law as the source of the debate DOMA. These debates were over the the 2006 Federal Marriage Amendment not the Defense of Marriage Act. It is the words stated that are scary. The amendment didn't pass. Other quotes on the same topic: Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said he will vote against the measure on the floor but allowed it to get there in part to give the GOP the debate party leaders believe will pay off on Election Day. Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid of Nevada The reason for this debate is to divide our society, to pit one against another. This is another one of the presidents efforts to frighten, to distort, to distract and to confuse America. It is this administration's way of avoiding the tough, real problems that American citizens are confronted with each and every day. It's politics. It's pandering and it's placating a core constituency, the evangelicals San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom You wrote If you are for equalizing gay rights, you have no dog in this Presidential hunt. Both candidates said at debate they agree with one another - neither will equalize the marriage rights (rather lack thereof) for gays. The current presidential election? I didn't bring that up at all. Still, I knew some have spoken up so here's their own words on the topic. From the VP Debate Q: Would you support expanding that beyond Alaska to the rest of the nation? PALIN: Well, not if it goes closer and closer towards redefining the traditional definition of marriage between one man and one woman. And unfortunately that's sometimes where those steps lead. I don't support defining marriage as anything but between one man and one woman, and I think through nuances we can go round and round about what that actually means. I'm being as straight up with Americans as I can in my non- support for anything but a traditional definition of marriage. Q: Let's try to avoid nuance. Do you support gay marriage? BIDEN: No. We do not support that. That is a decision to be able to be left to faiths. PALIN: My answer is the same as his and it is that I do not. Marriages are an institution of faith and civil unions are an institution of state. Sounds like Joe agrees. That famous executive experience of Palin's was often used to fight gay civil unions. Sarah Palin fought Alaska's civil union laws. Palin said she supported Alaska's decision to amend its Constitution to ban same-sex marriage. But she used her first veto as governor to block a bill that would have prohibited the state from granting health benefits to same-sex partners of public employees. Ms. Palin said she vetoed the bill because it was unconstitutional, but raised the possibility of amending the state Constitution so the ban could pass muster. Governor Sarah Palin today announced that, per the recent ruling of the Supreme Court of Alaska, the State of Alaska's regulations are in effect to begin providing state benefits to same sex partners beginning January 1, 2007. The Supreme Court has ordered adoption of the regulations by the State of Alaska to begin providing benefits January 1, said Governor Palin. We have no more judicial options. We may disagree with the rationale behind the ruling, but our responsibility is to proceed forward with the law and follow the Constitution. In addition to adoption of the regulations, Governor Palin signed HB4002 today, which calls for a statewide advisory vote, proposed by the Legislature during its November special session. I disagree with the recent court decision because I feel as though Alaskans spoke on this issue with its overwhelming support for a Constitutional Amendment in 1998 which defined marriage as between a man and woman. But the Supreme Court has spoken and the state will abide. Source: Alaska Governor's Office: Press release 06-012, Same Sex Dec 20, 2006 Palin said she's not out to judge anyone and has good friends who are gay, but that she supported the 1998 constitutional amendment. Elected officials can't
[AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, let's also mention that certain rouge factions of the Republican party have gone into certain communities and put out fliers telling them if they go to vote, and they have outstanding warrants, they'll be arrested. In other places, similar fliers are telling people that the election date has been changed from the 4th to the 5th. The same is claimed every year, and no proof of it is offered. Remember the DNC put out a handbook asking people Democrats to claim voter suppression even if there is none. You must have read the handbook. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not Obama's Acorn. It's simply Acorn, and the facts being put out by Fox news are just plain BS. The era of 24/7 news outlets is doing more to hurt this country, if not world, then help it. Internet sites are no help either. My daughter has a media class in college. She has to do a research report on a successful website (other then the typical amazon, yahoo etc She picked RentLaw.com. Asked me if she could and I asked her how the teacher defined successful? So I kicked off her research on google - but the teacher wanted to know who was actaully writing about RentLaw.com (or whatever site). Then I explained to her about trusted sites. What is a trusted site or media outlet? In the old days, we would reply the New York Times, Newsweek, WSJ etc. CSB, NBC and ABC take your pick. TODAY the trusted media is completely different. TV: (TVGUY could add here) - ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, CNBC, BBC and Comedy Central (some people like their news the best...) PRINT: Endless publications that come and go based on how it's funded. Newsweek, businessweek, Bloomberg, Forbes etc. Are some publications whims of the wealthy publishers to preach their views of the world? Internet: A dream come true for everyone with a view and access to a computer and basically zero writing skills or real knowledge of the facts. Websites, blogs and Internet groups like this one. We are FREE to express are sometimes insane views as fact and others actaully respond, fueling the fire. And the net enables everyone with a view, a hobby, a camera, a song or sextape to stick it online (publish) for nothing. Technology means we need to be better educated to sort through it all and make decisions based on tons more information - good and bad. SO back to a trusted site(s). In doing a search for RentLaw.com on Google's Book search, there are now a number of publications and writers who wrote a BOOK and referenced RentLaw.com without probably doing much research on the credibility of the site. Is the information correct? Who writes it and edits it? Where is this info coming from? Same for the syndicated news articles that mention it. Same for a couple radio shows. Today, ANYONE can get a press release published on the Internet for pennies, target thousands of people in minutes and direct people to an Internet site that a majority of people will take for FACT. Take a look at GOOGLE AD running for theasburyparkboardwalk.com with the tag The Official site of the vs the unofficial site asburyboardwalk.com Should I be crying? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
So where do you get the ammo to write no proof of it is offered? There's plenty of proof. Here's a link to a story about it on NPR: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95509946 Here's a link from Philadelphia, that has a photo of an actual flyer; http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20081002_Vote- scam_fliers_target_black_neighborhoods.html Finally, ever heard of google? http://tinyurl.com/65ml34 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Also, let's also mention that certain rouge factions of the Republican party have gone into certain communities and put out fliers telling them if they go to vote, and they have outstanding warrants, they'll be arrested. In other places, similar fliers are telling people that the election date has been changed from the 4th to the 5th. The same is claimed every year, and no proof of it is offered. Remember the DNC put out a handbook asking people Democrats to claim voter suppression even if there is none. You must have read the handbook. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
heres one from VA Published on HamptonRoads.com | PilotOnline.com (http://hamptonroads.com) Phony flier says Virginians vote on different days RICHMOND A phony State Board of Elections flier advising Republicans to vote on Nov. 4 and Democrats on Nov. 5 is being circulated in several Hampton Roads localities, according to state elections officials. In fact, Election Day, for voters of all political stripes, remains Nov. 4. The somewhat official-looking flier - it features the state board logo and the state seal - is dated Oct. 24 and indicates that an emergency session of the General Assembly has adopted the follwing (sic) emergency regulations to ease the load on local electorial (sic) precincts and ensure a fair electorial process. The four-paragraph flier concludes with: We are sorry for any inconvenience this may cause but felt this was the only way to ensure fairness to the complete electorial process. No emergency action has been taken by the General Assembly. It is not in session and lacks the authority to change the date of a federal election. State Board of Election officials today said they are aware of the flier but disavowed any connection to it. It's not even on our letterhead; they just copied the logo from our Web site, said agency staffer Ryan Enright, noting the flier has been forwarded to State Police for investigation as a possible incident of voter intimidation. Election officials did not specify in which Hampton Roads localities the flier had been spotted. State Police are aware of the complaint and are looking into it, said spokeswoman Corinne Geller. In 2007, the General Assembly passed a law making it a Class 1 misdemeanor to knowingly communicate false information to registered voters about the date, time and place of the election or voters' precincts, polling places or voter registration statuses in order to impede their voting. The measure is one of the few such deceptive voting practice laws in the country, according to the watchdog group Common Cause. Julian Walker, (804) 697-1564, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Source URL (retrieved on 10/29/2008 - 15:31): http://hamptonroads.com/2008/10/phony-flier-says-virginians-vote-different-days --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So where do you get the ammo to write no proof of it is offered? There's plenty of proof. Here's a link to a story about it on NPR: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95509946 Here's a link from Philadelphia, that has a photo of an actual flyer; http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20081002_Vote- scam_fliers_target_black_neighborhoods.html Finally, ever heard of google? http://tinyurl.com/65ml34 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Also, let's also mention that certain rouge factions of the Republican party have gone into certain communities and put out fliers telling them if they go to vote, and they have outstanding warrants, they'll be arrested. In other places, similar fliers are telling people that the election date has been changed from the 4th to the 5th. The same is claimed every year, and no proof of it is offered. Remember the DNC put out a handbook asking people Democrats to claim voter suppression even if there is none. You must have read the handbook. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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You say below that Biden wants to preserve the definition of marriage in the constitution. Is that another Biden gaffe? Where does the constitution have a definition of marriage? Either he didn't say it and your source is wrong, or he's made yet another of many silly gaffes. Sorry to burst your bubble Jennifer but there have only been 1 executive order and 1 law signed by an American President. Both were against gays. Both were signed by Democrat Bill Clinton. No Republican President has signed a law or order against gays. George Bush had a Republican House and Senate for 6 years and didn't do it. Democrat Bill Clinton did. Open your eyes - Democrats hurt gays. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Your quote accused conservative of hate and fear mongering. The posts were disprove your point - it's the libs that are unhinged. No Sir, you said Liberals alway change the subject in a response to a post I wrote about separating marriage from the state. I replied that I wasn't changing a subject, but contributing my own thought on the topic which had already begun. I simply replied to you with a question about Conservatives trying to scare people and stir up anger and hatred by fear mongering. No one is shouting to kill McCain or Palin at Obama rallies. You came back with some angry people threatening a woman who exists to be the voice of soccer moms everyhwere. I gave you some very clear examples and quotes from Republicans on the original topic - civil rights for gay couples. I did name the wrong law as the source of the debate DOMA. These debates were over the the 2006 Federal Marriage Amendment not the Defense of Marriage Act. It is the words stated that are scary. The amendment didn't pass. Other quotes on the same topic: Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said he will vote against the measure on the floor but allowed it to get there in part to give the GOP the debate party leaders believe will pay off on Election Day. Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid of Nevada The reason for this debate is to divide our society, to pit one against another. This is another one of the presidents efforts to frighten, to distort, to distract and to confuse America. It is this administration's way of avoiding the tough, real problems that American citizens are confronted with each and every day. It's politics. It's pandering and it's placating a core constituency, the evangelicals San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom You wrote If you are for equalizing gay rights, you have no dog in this Presidential hunt. Both candidates said at debate they agree with one another - neither will equalize the marriage rights (rather lack thereof) for gays. The current presidential election? I didn't bring that up at all. Still, I knew some have spoken up so here's their own words on the topic. From the VP Debate Q: Would you support expanding that beyond Alaska to the rest of the nation? PALIN: Well, not if it goes closer and closer towards redefining the traditional definition of marriage between one man and one woman. And unfortunately that's sometimes where those steps lead. I don't support defining marriage as anything but between one man and one woman, and I think through nuances we can go round and round about what that actually means. I'm being as straight up with Americans as I can in my non- support for anything but a traditional definition of marriage. Q: Let's try to avoid nuance. Do you support gay marriage? BIDEN: No. We do not support that. That is a decision to be able to be left to faiths. PALIN: My answer is the same as his and it is that I do not. Marriages are an institution of faith and civil unions are an institution of state. Sounds like Joe agrees. That famous executive experience of Palin's was often used to fight gay civil unions. Sarah Palin fought Alaska's civil union laws. Palin said she supported Alaska's decision to amend its Constitution to ban same-sex marriage. But she used her first veto as governor to block a bill that would have prohibited the state from granting health benefits to same-sex partners of public employees. Ms. Palin said she vetoed the bill because it was unconstitutional, but raised the possibility of amending the state Constitution so the ban could pass muster. Governor Sarah Palin today announced that, per the recent ruling of the Supreme Court of Alaska, the State of Alaska's regulations are in effect to begin providing state benefits to same sex partners beginning January 1, 2007. The Supreme Court has ordered adoption of the regulations by the State of Alaska to begin providing benefits January 1, said Governor Palin. We have no more judicial options. We may
[AsburyPark] Re: Hijacked from true to equal protection
Democrats hurt gays. Probably the most ignorant comment I've ever read here. I can't wait for this election to be over, because the hardcore republicans appear to be freaking out in desperation. Fox news was falling all over itself this morning to find new ways to put Obama down while grasping at straws. What's going to happen to all of the over-zealous republicans next week when Obama wins? Are you all going to go hide under your beds in fear? And what happens when Obama actually does good for our country? Are you going to find a way to trash him then? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You say below that Biden wants to preserve the definition of marriage in the constitution. Is that another Biden gaffe? Where does the constitution have a definition of marriage? Either he didn't say it and your source is wrong, or he's made yet another of many silly gaffes. Sorry to burst your bubble Jennifer but there have only been 1 executive order and 1 law signed by an American President. Both were against gays. Both were signed by Democrat Bill Clinton. No Republican President has signed a law or order against gays. George Bush had a Republican House and Senate for 6 years and didn't do it. Democrat Bill Clinton did. Open your eyes - Democrats hurt gays. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer jennifernjca@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Your quote accused conservative of hate and fear mongering. The posts were disprove your point - it's the libs that are unhinged. No Sir, you said Liberals alway change the subject in a response to a post I wrote about separating marriage from the state. I replied that I wasn't changing a subject, but contributing my own thought on the topic which had already begun. I simply replied to you with a question about Conservatives trying to scare people and stir up anger and hatred by fear mongering. No one is shouting to kill McCain or Palin at Obama rallies. You came back with some angry people threatening a woman who exists to be the voice of soccer moms everyhwere. I gave you some very clear examples and quotes from Republicans on the original topic - civil rights for gay couples. I did name the wrong law as the source of the debate DOMA. These debates were over the the 2006 Federal Marriage Amendment not the Defense of Marriage Act. It is the words stated that are scary. The amendment didn't pass. Other quotes on the same topic: Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said he will vote against the measure on the floor but allowed it to get there in part to give the GOP the debate party leaders believe will pay off on Election Day. Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid of Nevada The reason for this debate is to divide our society, to pit one against another. This is another one of the presidents efforts to frighten, to distort, to distract and to confuse America. It is this administration's way of avoiding the tough, real problems that American citizens are confronted with each and every day. It's politics. It's pandering and it's placating a core constituency, the evangelicals San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom You wrote If you are for equalizing gay rights, you have no dog in this Presidential hunt. Both candidates said at debate they agree with one another - neither will equalize the marriage rights (rather lack thereof) for gays. The current presidential election? I didn't bring that up at all. Still, I knew some have spoken up so here's their own words on the topic. From the VP Debate Q: Would you support expanding that beyond Alaska to the rest of the nation? PALIN: Well, not if it goes closer and closer towards redefining the traditional definition of marriage between one man and one woman. And unfortunately that's sometimes where those steps lead. I don't support defining marriage as anything but between one man and one woman, and I think through nuances we can go round and round about what that actually means. I'm being as straight up with Americans as I can in my non- support for anything but a traditional definition of marriage. Q: Let's try to avoid nuance. Do you support gay marriage? BIDEN: No. We do not support that. That is a decision to be able to be left to faiths. PALIN: My answer is the same as his and it is that I do not. Marriages are an institution of faith and civil unions are an institution of state. Sounds like Joe agrees. That famous executive experience of Palin's was often used to fight gay civil unions. Sarah Palin fought Alaska's civil union laws. Palin said she supported Alaska's decision to amend its Constitution to ban same-sex marriage. But she used her
[AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
As I said, once the DNC put out the order to claim voter suppression even when there is none means you have to take these claims with a grain of salt. But let's see if you can play fair: Are you going to claim as the same size problem a flier found on a road in Virginia, with... Massive registration fraud being investigated in 14 states for tens of thousands of illegal registrations, by Acorn which has received millions of dollars in tax money and has endorsed and is working with a candidate for president? The two are equal? Really? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: heres one from VA Published on HamptonRoads.com | PilotOnline.com (http://hamptonroads.com) Phony flier says Virginians vote on different days RICHMOND A phony State Board of Elections flier advising Republicans to vote on Nov. 4 and Democrats on Nov. 5 is being circulated in several Hampton Roads localities, according to state elections officials. In fact, Election Day, for voters of all political stripes, remains Nov. 4. The somewhat official-looking flier - it features the state board logo and the state seal - is dated Oct. 24 and indicates that an emergency session of the General Assembly has adopted the follwing (sic) emergency regulations to ease the load on local electorial (sic) precincts and ensure a fair electorial process. The four-paragraph flier concludes with: We are sorry for any inconvenience this may cause but felt this was the only way to ensure fairness to the complete electorial process. No emergency action has been taken by the General Assembly. It is not in session and lacks the authority to change the date of a federal election. State Board of Election officials today said they are aware of the flier but disavowed any connection to it. It's not even on our letterhead; they just copied the logo from our Web site, said agency staffer Ryan Enright, noting the flier has been forwarded to State Police for investigation as a possible incident of voter intimidation. Election officials did not specify in which Hampton Roads localities the flier had been spotted. State Police are aware of the complaint and are looking into it, said spokeswoman Corinne Geller. In 2007, the General Assembly passed a law making it a Class 1 misdemeanor to knowingly communicate false information to registered voters about the date, time and place of the election or voters' precincts, polling places or voter registration statuses in order to impede their voting. The measure is one of the few such deceptive voting practice laws in the country, according to the watchdog group Common Cause. Julian Walker, (804) 697-1564, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Source URL (retrieved on 10/29/2008 - 15:31): http://hamptonroads.com/2008/10/phony-flier-says-virginians-vote-different-days --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: So where do you get the ammo to write no proof of it is offered? There's plenty of proof. Here's a link to a story about it on NPR: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95509946 Here's a link from Philadelphia, that has a photo of an actual flyer; http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20081002_Vote- scam_fliers_target_black_neighborhoods.html Finally, ever heard of google? http://tinyurl.com/65ml34 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Also, let's also mention that certain rouge factions of the Republican party have gone into certain communities and put out fliers telling them if they go to vote, and they have outstanding warrants, they'll be arrested. In other places, similar fliers are telling people that the election date has been changed from the 4th to the 5th. The same is claimed every year, and no proof of it is offered. Remember the DNC put out a handbook asking people Democrats to claim voter suppression even if there is none. You must have read the handbook. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re:The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
This is FREAKING me out. No intention to troll, just reach more people. This is ONE of MANY articles. Call in the international election monitors! That is freaking you out? What about the fact that ACORN is signing up 1,000s of people who are going to vote multiple times for cigarettes? Anyone claiming to live on a park bench can vote? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
Selective reading... ACORN workers.. But the evidence that has surfaced so far shows they faked forms to get paid for work they didn't do, not to stuff ballot boxes But so far ACORN itself has not been officially charged with any fraud. Aside from the heated charges and counter-charges, no evidence has yet surfaced to show that the ACORN employees who submitted fraudulent registration forms intended to pave the way for illegal voting. Rather, they were trying to get paid by ACORN for doing no work. ACORN also says it cannot simply discard suspicious forms on its own, but is required by law in most states to submit to local election officials all the forms its canvassers bring in. ACORN's Whelan told us that its own legal counsel strongly advises that the group do the same in states that don't explicitly require it, because only election officials are legally able to determine the validity of a voter registration application. Oh and Neither ACORN's Chicago office nor CSI has been accused of voter registration irregularities. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Hijacked from true to equal protection
Jack how do you post this without responding at all to the fact that only a Democrat President has passed laws hurting gays? You go straight to name calling. Nothing to say about the fact that only a Democrat President had hurt gays and Republicans haven't? It's not a fair statement to say 'Democrats hurt gays when only a Democrat President as hurt them not once but twice? Address the issue. I dare you. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Democrats hurt gays. Probably the most ignorant comment I've ever read here. I can't wait for this election to be over, because the hardcore republicans appear to be freaking out in desperation. Fox news was falling all over itself this morning to find new ways to put Obama down while grasping at straws. What's going to happen to all of the over-zealous republicans next week when Obama wins? Are you all going to go hide under your beds in fear? And what happens when Obama actually does good for our country? Are you going to find a way to trash him then? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: You say below that Biden wants to preserve the definition of marriage in the constitution. Is that another Biden gaffe? Where does the constitution have a definition of marriage? Either he didn't say it and your source is wrong, or he's made yet another of many silly gaffes. Sorry to burst your bubble Jennifer but there have only been 1 executive order and 1 law signed by an American President. Both were against gays. Both were signed by Democrat Bill Clinton. No Republican President has signed a law or order against gays. George Bush had a Republican House and Senate for 6 years and didn't do it. Democrat Bill Clinton did. Open your eyes - Democrats hurt gays. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer jennifernjca@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Your quote accused conservative of hate and fear mongering. The posts were disprove your point - it's the libs that are unhinged. No Sir, you said Liberals alway change the subject in a response to a post I wrote about separating marriage from the state. I replied that I wasn't changing a subject, but contributing my own thought on the topic which had already begun. I simply replied to you with a question about Conservatives trying to scare people and stir up anger and hatred by fear mongering. No one is shouting to kill McCain or Palin at Obama rallies. You came back with some angry people threatening a woman who exists to be the voice of soccer moms everyhwere. I gave you some very clear examples and quotes from Republicans on the original topic - civil rights for gay couples. I did name the wrong law as the source of the debate DOMA. These debates were over the the 2006 Federal Marriage Amendment not the Defense of Marriage Act. It is the words stated that are scary. The amendment didn't pass. Other quotes on the same topic: Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said he will vote against the measure on the floor but allowed it to get there in part to give the GOP the debate party leaders believe will pay off on Election Day. Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid of Nevada The reason for this debate is to divide our society, to pit one against another. This is another one of the presidents efforts to frighten, to distort, to distract and to confuse America. It is this administration's way of avoiding the tough, real problems that American citizens are confronted with each and every day. It's politics. It's pandering and it's placating a core constituency, the evangelicals San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom You wrote If you are for equalizing gay rights, you have no dog in this Presidential hunt. Both candidates said at debate they agree with one another - neither will equalize the marriage rights (rather lack thereof) for gays. The current presidential election? I didn't bring that up at all. Still, I knew some have spoken up so here's their own words on the topic. From the VP Debate Q: Would you support expanding that beyond Alaska to the rest of the nation? PALIN: Well, not if it goes closer and closer towards redefining the traditional definition of marriage between one man and one woman. And unfortunately that's sometimes where those steps lead. I don't support defining marriage as anything but between one man and one woman, and I think through nuances we can go round and round about what that actually means. I'm being as straight up with Americans as I can in my non- support for anything but a traditional definition of marriage. Q: Let's try to
[AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
Thank you for admitting to selective reading. Wish you would read the whole article. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Selective reading... ACORN workers.. But the evidence that has surfaced so far shows they faked forms to get paid for work they didn't do, not to stuff ballot boxes But so far ACORN itself has not been officially charged with any fraud. Aside from the heated charges and counter-charges, no evidence has yet surfaced to show that the ACORN employees who submitted fraudulent registration forms intended to pave the way for illegal voting. Rather, they were trying to get paid by ACORN for doing no work. ACORN also says it cannot simply discard suspicious forms on its own, but is required by law in most states to submit to local election officials all the forms its canvassers bring in. ACORN's Whelan told us that its own legal counsel strongly advises that the group do the same in states that don't explicitly require it, because only election officials are legally able to determine the validity of a voter registration application. Oh and Neither ACORN's Chicago office nor CSI has been accused of voter registration irregularities. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
Now you are going to twist my words around? I did read the whole article- I was referring to your selective reading. Honestly Tommy, this is where you always make yourself look bad and why the rest of us should never even respond to you. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for admitting to selective reading. Wish you would read the whole article. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: Selective reading... ACORN workers.. But the evidence that has surfaced so far shows they faked forms to get paid for work they didn't do, not to stuff ballot boxes But so far ACORN itself has not been officially charged with any fraud. Aside from the heated charges and counter-charges, no evidence has yet surfaced to show that the ACORN employees who submitted fraudulent registration forms intended to pave the way for illegal voting. Rather, they were trying to get paid by ACORN for doing no work. ACORN also says it cannot simply discard suspicious forms on its own, but is required by law in most states to submit to local election officials all the forms its canvassers bring in. ACORN's Whelan told us that its own legal counsel strongly advises that the group do the same in states that don't explicitly require it, because only election officials are legally able to determine the validity of a voter registration application. Oh and Neither ACORN's Chicago office nor CSI has been accused of voter registration irregularities. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
You know that there are multiple paragraphs in there about Obama's connection to Acorn and even disagreeing with his denials. You didn't post one. You posted others under Selective Reading. I thought you were talking about you for leaving out all the bad stuff the site you referred me to about Obama. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now you are going to twist my words around? I did read the whole article- I was referring to your selective reading. Honestly Tommy, this is where you always make yourself look bad and why the rest of us should never even respond to you. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Thank you for admitting to selective reading. Wish you would read the whole article. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: Selective reading... ACORN workers.. But the evidence that has surfaced so far shows they faked forms to get paid for work they didn't do, not to stuff ballot boxes But so far ACORN itself has not been officially charged with any fraud. Aside from the heated charges and counter-charges, no evidence has yet surfaced to show that the ACORN employees who submitted fraudulent registration forms intended to pave the way for illegal voting. Rather, they were trying to get paid by ACORN for doing no work. ACORN also says it cannot simply discard suspicious forms on its own, but is required by law in most states to submit to local election officials all the forms its canvassers bring in. ACORN's Whelan told us that its own legal counsel strongly advises that the group do the same in states that don't explicitly require it, because only election officials are legally able to determine the validity of a voter registration application. Oh and Neither ACORN's Chicago office nor CSI has been accused of voter registration irregularities. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Hijacked from true to equal protection
Actually, no, I'm not going to do that. I can't google quick enough, and honestly, I don't really care. If I wanted to, I could easily make the leap that one of the biggest support groups for Republicans are evangelical christians, who basically scare the crap out of me. They are patently anti-gay. So, while it might be true that a republican figurehead such as a president may not have done anything to hurt the gay population, behind the scenes there is plenty of hurt going on by republican supporters. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack how do you post this without responding at all to the fact that only a Democrat President has passed laws hurting gays? You go straight to name calling. Nothing to say about the fact that only a Democrat President had hurt gays and Republicans haven't? It's not a fair statement to say 'Democrats hurt gays when only a Democrat President as hurt them not once but twice? Address the issue. I dare you. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Democrats hurt gays. Probably the most ignorant comment I've ever read here. I can't wait for this election to be over, because the hardcore republicans appear to be freaking out in desperation. Fox news was falling all over itself this morning to find new ways to put Obama down while grasping at straws. What's going to happen to all of the over-zealous republicans next week when Obama wins? Are you all going to go hide under your beds in fear? And what happens when Obama actually does good for our country? Are you going to find a way to trash him then? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: You say below that Biden wants to preserve the definition of marriage in the constitution. Is that another Biden gaffe? Where does the constitution have a definition of marriage? Either he didn't say it and your source is wrong, or he's made yet another of many silly gaffes. Sorry to burst your bubble Jennifer but there have only been 1 executive order and 1 law signed by an American President. Both were against gays. Both were signed by Democrat Bill Clinton. No Republican President has signed a law or order against gays. George Bush had a Republican House and Senate for 6 years and didn't do it. Democrat Bill Clinton did. Open your eyes - Democrats hurt gays. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer jennifernjca@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Your quote accused conservative of hate and fear mongering. The posts were disprove your point - it's the libs that are unhinged. No Sir, you said Liberals alway change the subject in a response to a post I wrote about separating marriage from the state. I replied that I wasn't changing a subject, but contributing my own thought on the topic which had already begun. I simply replied to you with a question about Conservatives trying to scare people and stir up anger and hatred by fear mongering. No one is shouting to kill McCain or Palin at Obama rallies. You came back with some angry people threatening a woman who exists to be the voice of soccer moms everyhwere. I gave you some very clear examples and quotes from Republicans on the original topic - civil rights for gay couples. I did name the wrong law as the source of the debate DOMA. These debates were over the the 2006 Federal Marriage Amendment not the Defense of Marriage Act. It is the words stated that are scary. The amendment didn't pass. Other quotes on the same topic: Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said he will vote against the measure on the floor but allowed it to get there in part to give the GOP the debate party leaders believe will pay off on Election Day. Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid of Nevada The reason for this debate is to divide our society, to pit one against another. This is another one of the presidents efforts to frighten, to distort, to distract and to confuse America. It is this administration's way of avoiding the tough, real problems that American citizens are confronted with each and every day. It's politics. It's pandering and it's placating a core constituency, the evangelicals San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom You wrote If you are for equalizing gay rights, you have no dog in this Presidential hunt. Both candidates said at debate they agree with one another - neither will equalize the marriage rights (rather lack thereof) for gays. The current presidential election? I didn't bring that up at all. Still, I knew some have spoken up
[AsburyPark] Re: Hijacked from true to equal protection
Tommy - Your agenda reminds me of this video on YouTube; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SFu7NUekwM --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, no, I'm not going to do that. I can't google quick enough, and honestly, I don't really care. If I wanted to, I could easily make the leap that one of the biggest support groups for Republicans are evangelical christians, who basically scare the crap out of me. They are patently anti-gay. So, while it might be true that a republican figurehead such as a president may not have done anything to hurt the gay population, behind the scenes there is plenty of hurt going on by republican supporters. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Jack how do you post this without responding at all to the fact that only a Democrat President has passed laws hurting gays? You go straight to name calling. Nothing to say about the fact that only a Democrat President had hurt gays and Republicans haven't? It's not a fair statement to say 'Democrats hurt gays when only a Democrat President as hurt them not once but twice? Address the issue. I dare you. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Democrats hurt gays. Probably the most ignorant comment I've ever read here. I can't wait for this election to be over, because the hardcore republicans appear to be freaking out in desperation. Fox news was falling all over itself this morning to find new ways to put Obama down while grasping at straws. What's going to happen to all of the over-zealous republicans next week when Obama wins? Are you all going to go hide under your beds in fear? And what happens when Obama actually does good for our country? Are you going to find a way to trash him then? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: You say below that Biden wants to preserve the definition of marriage in the constitution. Is that another Biden gaffe? Where does the constitution have a definition of marriage? Either he didn't say it and your source is wrong, or he's made yet another of many silly gaffes. Sorry to burst your bubble Jennifer but there have only been 1 executive order and 1 law signed by an American President. Both were against gays. Both were signed by Democrat Bill Clinton. No Republican President has signed a law or order against gays. George Bush had a Republican House and Senate for 6 years and didn't do it. Democrat Bill Clinton did. Open your eyes - Democrats hurt gays. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer jennifernjca@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Your quote accused conservative of hate and fear mongering. The posts were disprove your point - it's the libs that are unhinged. No Sir, you said Liberals alway change the subject in a response to a post I wrote about separating marriage from the state. I replied that I wasn't changing a subject, but contributing my own thought on the topic which had already begun. I simply replied to you with a question about Conservatives trying to scare people and stir up anger and hatred by fear mongering. No one is shouting to kill McCain or Palin at Obama rallies. You came back with some angry people threatening a woman who exists to be the voice of soccer moms everyhwere. I gave you some very clear examples and quotes from Republicans on the original topic - civil rights for gay couples. I did name the wrong law as the source of the debate DOMA. These debates were over the the 2006 Federal Marriage Amendment not the Defense of Marriage Act. It is the words stated that are scary. The amendment didn't pass. Other quotes on the same topic: Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said he will vote against the measure on the floor but allowed it to get there in part to give the GOP the debate party leaders believe will pay off on Election Day. Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid of Nevada The reason for this debate is to divide our society, to pit one against another. This is another one of the presidents efforts to frighten, to distort, to distract and to confuse America. It is this administration's way of avoiding the tough, real problems that American citizens are confronted with each and every day. It's politics. It's pandering and it's placating a core constituency, the evangelicals San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom You wrote If you are for equalizing gay rights, you
[AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now you are going to twist my words around? I did read the whole article- I was referring to your selective reading. Honestly Tommy, this is where you always make yourself look bad and why the rest of us should never even respond to you. = I warned the group. The newer members should review the archives for the postings of bluebishop82 and justifiedright. Twisting words and ignoring context are the pattern. Hard to resist the bait - that's the problem. Also - WHY is it so difficult to have political discussion in the group specifically created for that purpose ? I keep asking this without an answer being put forth. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Hijacked from true to equal protection
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, no, I'm not going to do that. Yet you'll still deny that Democrats hurt gays. Interesting. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re:The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
I believe the issue of Acorn has been addressed http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/acorn_accusations.html vote flipping is happening NOW. Did you even read the article? I know from having my address checked and being considered inactive due to mail return and having to have my ID checked again to prove I was who I was when I voted monday that not anyone park bench can vote. here is a vid of a republican computer programer (who has since switched parties) discussing being hired to create a vote flipping program by republicans http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7tjnuG-l6g --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mark Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is FREAKING me out. No intention to troll, just reach more people. This is ONE of MANY articles. Call in the international election monitors! That is freaking you out? What about the fact that ACORN is signing up 1,000s of people who are going to vote multiple times for cigarettes? Anyone claiming to live on a park bench can vote? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccu...
In a message dated 10/29/2008 3:52:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Honestly Tommy, this is where you always make yourself look bad and why the rest of us should never even respond to you. How about starting at sundown today! **Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Hijacked from true to equal protection
No, don't put words into my online mouth. I'm not going to pretend to have an answer about something that I haven't really studied by just googling it and pretending I know what I'm talking about. I only comment on topics that I've actually taken the time to study, in depth, and I encourage others to do the same. Part of the downfall of living in a 24/7 news world is our population is now inundated with masses of wannabe experts on everything, because it's the right (and wrong) of every American to think that everything they see on TV has to be true and agenda free. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Actually, no, I'm not going to do that. Yet you'll still deny that Democrats hurt gays. Interesting. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Hijacked from true to equal protection
AIDS broke in 1980-81. Reagan would even say the words HIV or Aids In a message dated 10/29/2008 3:48:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nothing to say about the fact that only a Democrat President had hurt gays and Republicans haven't? == Reagan and Aids By Larry Kramer In response to Reconstructing Ronald Reagan (March 1, 2007) REAGAN AIDS To the Editors: It is always distressing to read upgradings by academics and journalists more determined to recreate history in their own imaginings than in the facts that are available for honest consideration [Russell Baker, Reconstructing Ronald Reagan, NYR, March 1]. Ronald Reagan may have done laudable things but he was also a monster and, in my estimation, responsible for more deaths than Adolf Hitler. He is one of the persons most responsible for allowing the plague of AIDS to grow from 41 cases in 1981 to over 70 million today. He refused to even say the word out loud for the first seven years of his presidency and when he did speak about it it was with disdain. He was, in the words of his domestic policy adviser, Gary Bauer, irrevocably opposed to anything having to do with homosexuality (personal communication with me in his White House office in April of 1983). As I write in my book The Tragedy of Today's Gays (Penguin, 2005), I can locate no work of any urgency, or indeed, much work at all, on AIDS during his entire presidency, thus allowing many millions of gay men all over the world to be exposed to the virus without so much as a warning from anyone in his government. Those of us on the front lines can attest to this stone wall that was unbreachable. It is laughable that Emerson, a possibly gay man himself, should be dragged in here. Great flexibility of mind! Ability to adapt and embrace change! Diggins and Arquilla have got to be joking. Larry Kramer New York City I'll concede that Kramer was overstating with the mention of Hitler. Clinton was hemmed in by Newt Gringrich's congress with the Defense of Marriage Act which was authored by Bob Barr. And Clinton was thwarted by Dick Armey on the Gays in the Military issue. Armey threatened to pass legislation to counter any executive order by Clinton about gays in the military. Thus the compromise, Don't Ask, Don't Tell. From day one, Clinton was besieged by the right wing starting with the $400 haircut et al. No comparison between the number who died because of Reagan's denial and the number who couldn't marry because of Clinton's signature. Clinton wasn't afraid to say the word AIDS nor to invite gay representatives to the White House early in his administration. **Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccu...
Same thing happened when Dan S started the AllThingsAsbury group. In a message dated 10/29/2008 4:02:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also - WHY is it so difficult to have political discussion in the group specifically created for that purpose ? I keep asking this without an answer being put forth. **Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
You are right, and you can also see from my previous posts that I agree with you. He posts these things and you can almost see a smug little smile on his face when he types, then he wants to twist everything around to try and prove some point that 95% of us would not agree with. In a way its like a lawyering trait gone horribly wrong. Lawyers do like to argue, but Tommy argues with twisted facts and strange conclusions. And if the argument may end, he'll just twist it some more to keep it going, arguing for arguments sake. It is annoying. DO you remember that more recent thread about the mission? He was saying something about how he thought Stand Up was anti-Christian or something, and everyone's posts got all twisted around and the argument went on forever! We really should just ignore the bait! Although I know it is hard! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: Now you are going to twist my words around? I did read the whole article- I was referring to your selective reading. Honestly Tommy, this is where you always make yourself look bad and why the rest of us should never even respond to you. = I warned the group. The newer members should review the archives for the postings of bluebishop82 and justifiedright. Twisting words and ignoring context are the pattern. Hard to resist the bait - that's the problem. Also - WHY is it so difficult to have political discussion in the group specifically created for that purpose ? I keep asking this without an answer being put forth. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Hijacked from true to equal protection
Correction. Would NOT say the words In a message dated 10/29/2008 4:11:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: AIDS broke in 1980-81. Reagan would even say the words HIV or Aids **Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re:The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
Anyone on a park bench should be able to vote. Just because you are homeless, doesn't mean you do not get to vote, does it? That's the problem with ID requirements or driver's license requirements. Just bc you can't drive doesn't mean you can't vote. What if I was a 35 yr old who didn't drive and lived a quiet existance in my mom's house? (Oh the horror:) But anyway, does that mean I don't get to vote bc maybe I don't have a driver's license or ultility bills in my name? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Hijacked from true to equal protection
Evangelical Republicans scare the crap out of you yet a homicide bomber screaming Allah before he kills innocent people is okay? YOu are a piece of work. --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Hijacked from true to equal protection To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 3:55 PM Actually, no, I'm not going to do that. I can't google quick enough, and honestly, I don't really care. If I wanted to, I could easily make the leap that one of the biggest support groups for Republicans are evangelical christians, who basically scare the crap out of me. They are patently anti-gay. So, while it might be true that a republican figurehead such as a president may not have done anything to hurt the gay population, behind the scenes there is plenty of hurt going on by republican supporters. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ ... wrote: Jack how do you post this without responding at all to the fact that only a Democrat President has passed laws hurting gays? You go straight to name calling. Nothing to say about the fact that only a Democrat President had hurt gays and Republicans haven't? It's not a fair statement to say 'Democrats hurt gays when only a Democrat President as hurt them not once but twice? Address the issue. I dare you. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Democrats hurt gays. Probably the most ignorant comment I've ever read here. I can't wait for this election to be over, because the hardcore republicans appear to be freaking out in desperation. Fox news was falling all over itself this morning to find new ways to put Obama down while grasping at straws. What's going to happen to all of the over-zealous republicans next week when Obama wins? Are you all going to go hide under your beds in fear? And what happens when Obama actually does good for our country? Are you going to find a way to trash him then? --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: You say below that Biden wants to preserve the definition of marriage in the constitution. Is that another Biden gaffe? Where does the constitution have a definition of marriage? Either he didn't say it and your source is wrong, or he's made yet another of many silly gaffes. Sorry to burst your bubble Jennifer but there have only been 1 executive order and 1 law signed by an American President. Both were against gays. Both were signed by Democrat Bill Clinton. No Republican President has signed a law or order against gays. George Bush had a Republican House and Senate for 6 years and didn't do it. Democrat Bill Clinton did. Open your eyes - Democrats hurt gays. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jennifer jennifernjca@ wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Your quote accused conservative of hate and fear mongering. The posts were disprove your point - it's the libs that are unhinged. No Sir, you said Liberals alway change the subject in a response to a post I wrote about separating marriage from the state. I replied that I wasn't changing a subject, but contributing my own thought on the topic which had already begun. I simply replied to you with a question about Conservatives trying to scare people and stir up anger and hatred by fear mongering. No one is shouting to kill McCain or Palin at Obama rallies. You came back with some angry people threatening a woman who exists to be the voice of soccer moms everyhwere. I gave you some very clear examples and quotes from Republicans on the original topic - civil rights for gay couples. I did name the wrong law as the source of the debate DOMA. These debates were over the the 2006 Federal Marriage Amendment not the Defense of Marriage Act. It is the words stated that are scary. The amendment didn't pass. Other quotes on the same topic: Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said he will vote against the measure on the floor but allowed it to get there in part to give the GOP the debate party leaders believe will pay off on Election Day. Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid of Nevada The reason for this debate is to divide our society, to pit one against another. This is another one of the presidents efforts to frighten, to distort, to distract and to confuse America. It is this administration' s way of avoiding the tough, real problems that American citizens are confronted with each and every day. It's politics. It's pandering and it's placating a core constituency, the evangelicals San Francisco
[AsburyPark] Re:The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was when I voted monday that not anyone park bench can vote. Then I guess you missed the Ohio ruling today. here is a vid of a republican computer programer (who has since switched parties) discussing being hired to create a vote flipping program by republicans http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7tjnuG-l6g That video was hysterical! Comedy gold! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Hijacked from true to equal protection
We are going to have a few laughs and non-stop we told you so. What do you mean no tax cuts? But you said you were going to cut taxes! Hey you have been in office two years and we are still in Iraq how come? --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Hijacked from true to equal protection To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 3:42 PM Democrats hurt gays. Probably the most ignorant comment I've ever read here. I can't wait for this election to be over, because the hardcore republicans appear to be freaking out in desperation. Fox news was falling all over itself this morning to find new ways to put Obama down while grasping at straws. What's going to happen to all of the over-zealous republicans next week when Obama wins? Are you all going to go hide under your beds in fear? And what happens when Obama actually does good for our country? Are you going to find a way to trash him then? --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ ... wrote: You say below that Biden wants to preserve the definition of marriage in the constitution. Is that another Biden gaffe? Where does the constitution have a definition of marriage? Either he didn't say it and your source is wrong, or he's made yet another of many silly gaffes. Sorry to burst your bubble Jennifer but there have only been 1 executive order and 1 law signed by an American President. Both were against gays. Both were signed by Democrat Bill Clinton. No Republican President has signed a law or order against gays. George Bush had a Republican House and Senate for 6 years and didn't do it. Democrat Bill Clinton did. Open your eyes - Democrats hurt gays. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jennifer jennifernjca@ wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Your quote accused conservative of hate and fear mongering. The posts were disprove your point - it's the libs that are unhinged. No Sir, you said Liberals alway change the subject in a response to a post I wrote about separating marriage from the state. I replied that I wasn't changing a subject, but contributing my own thought on the topic which had already begun. I simply replied to you with a question about Conservatives trying to scare people and stir up anger and hatred by fear mongering. No one is shouting to kill McCain or Palin at Obama rallies. You came back with some angry people threatening a woman who exists to be the voice of soccer moms everyhwere. I gave you some very clear examples and quotes from Republicans on the original topic - civil rights for gay couples. I did name the wrong law as the source of the debate DOMA. These debates were over the the 2006 Federal Marriage Amendment not the Defense of Marriage Act. It is the words stated that are scary. The amendment didn't pass. Other quotes on the same topic: Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said he will vote against the measure on the floor but allowed it to get there in part to give the GOP the debate party leaders believe will pay off on Election Day. Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid of Nevada The reason for this debate is to divide our society, to pit one against another. This is another one of the presidents efforts to frighten, to distort, to distract and to confuse America. It is this administration' s way of avoiding the tough, real problems that American citizens are confronted with each and every day. It's politics. It's pandering and it's placating a core constituency, the evangelicals San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom You wrote If you are for equalizing gay rights, you have no dog in this Presidential hunt. Both candidates said at debate they agree with one another - neither will equalize the marriage rights (rather lack thereof) for gays. The current presidential election? I didn't bring that up at all. Still, I knew some have spoken up so here's their own words on the topic. From the VP Debate Q: Would you support expanding that beyond Alaska to the rest of the nation? PALIN: Well, not if it goes closer and closer towards redefining the traditional definition of marriage between one man and one woman. And unfortunately that's sometimes where those steps lead. I don't support defining marriage as anything but between one man and one woman, and I think through nuances we can go round and round about what that actually means. I'm being as straight up with Americans as I can in my non- support for anything but a traditional definition of marriage. Q: Let's try to avoid nuance. Do you support gay marriage? BIDEN: No. We do not support that. That is a decision to be able to be left to faiths. PALIN:
[AsburyPark] Re:The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
It's called a government issued ID Card. You can get them at the DMV. I can hear it now... but if they don't have a ride and cannot afford the bus fare to get to the DMV shouldn't they still be allowed to vote? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone on a park bench should be able to vote. Just because you are homeless, doesn't mean you do not get to vote, does it? That's the problem with ID requirements or driver's license requirements. Just bc you can't drive doesn't mean you can't vote. What if I was a 35 yr old who didn't drive and lived a quiet existance in my mom's house? (Oh the horror:) But anyway, does that mean I don't get to vote bc maybe I don't have a driver's license or ultility bills in my name? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re:The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
It's called a government issued ID Card. You can get them at the DMV. I can hear it now... but if they don't have a ride and cannot afford the bus fare to get to the DMV shouldn't they still be allowed to vote? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone on a park bench should be able to vote. Just because you are homeless, doesn't mean you do not get to vote, does it? That's the problem with ID requirements or driver's license requirements. Just bc you can't drive doesn't mean you can't vote. What if I was a 35 yr old who didn't drive and lived a quiet existance in my mom's house? (Oh the horror:) But anyway, does that mean I don't get to vote bc maybe I don't have a driver's license or ultility bills in my name? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place!
Of course you are John. If you are a liberal Dem everyone is a victim. --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I Don't Want to be in That Place! To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 2:28 PM VICTIM! On Oct 29, 2008, at 12:47 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] . wrote: Maybe our moderator should take issue with those who continually initiate the off-topic baiting threads. Some of us can't always ignore the swiftboating. Maybe I need a primary on relatedness. ..what qualifies as being about or helpful to AP or not. I also need some guidence on selective enforcement v broad enforcement. Oak and Dan S can initiate and post endlessly on national finance and/or housing with no direct link to AP. It can go on for months with no one calling them troll or objecting because the topic has no dicrect AP relecvance. Perhaps the rule of relevancy is so broad that because AP'ers have to have money, any topic about money is OK? AP'er have to live in a house, so any topic about housing is OK? That's pretty broad. Well, AP is a town that is primalry Black, primarily poor and votes 4 to 1 Democrat. So I post a video about why Black and poor folks need to switch parties, and that is in no way AP related, while any post about national finance is? I think the problem here is teams. Most people see ideological teammates here. One of your teammates can ramble off Asbury Topic forever. Let a non- teammate go even tangentially topical and right away there is an uprising. It's always been a postion of mine that one of Asbury Park's most serious shortcomings is its complete refusal to track how decisions made at the county state and national leves affect them. Far more important than whether someone thinks a street light is too bright. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Hijacked from true to equal protection
I thought you were too smart for the Reagan caused people to die from AIDS old line. What would have happened if he said something? All the gay bath houses would have emptied out because they all believed so strongly in the word of Ronald Reagan? Once he did say something did anyone change their behavior because he said so? Don't think so. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AIDS broke in 1980-81. Reagan would even say the words HIV or Aids In a message dated 10/29/2008 3:48:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nothing to say about the fact that only a Democrat President had hurt gays and Republicans haven't? == Reagan and Aids By Larry Kramer In response to Reconstructing Ronald Reagan (March 1, 2007) REAGAN AIDS To the Editors: It is always distressing to read upgradings by academics and journalists more determined to recreate history in their own imaginings than in the facts that are available for honest consideration [Russell Baker, Reconstructing Ronald Reagan, NYR, March 1]. Ronald Reagan may have done laudable things but he was also a monster and, in my estimation, responsible for more deaths than Adolf Hitler. He is one of the persons most responsible for allowing the plague of AIDS to grow from 41 cases in 1981 to over 70 million today. He refused to even say the word out loud for the first seven years of his presidency and when he did speak about it it was with disdain. He was, in the words of his domestic policy adviser, Gary Bauer, irrevocably opposed to anything having to do with homosexuality (personal communication with me in his White House office in April of 1983). As I write in my book The Tragedy of Today's Gays (Penguin, 2005), I can locate no work of any urgency, or indeed, much work at all, on AIDS during his entire presidency, thus allowing many millions of gay men all over the world to be exposed to the virus without so much as a warning from anyone in his government. Those of us on the front lines can attest to this stone wall that was unbreachable. It is laughable that Emerson, a possibly gay man himself, should be dragged in here. Great flexibility of mind! Ability to adapt and embrace change! Diggins and Arquilla have got to be joking. Larry Kramer New York City I'll concede that Kramer was overstating with the mention of Hitler. Clinton was hemmed in by Newt Gringrich's congress with the Defense of Marriage Act which was authored by Bob Barr. And Clinton was thwarted by Dick Armey on the Gays in the Military issue. Armey threatened to pass legislation to counter any executive order by Clinton about gays in the military. Thus the compromise, Don't Ask, Don't Tell. From day one, Clinton was besieged by the right wing starting with the $400 haircut et al. No comparison between the number who died because of Reagan's denial and the number who couldn't marry because of Clinton's signature. Clinton wasn't afraid to say the word AIDS nor to invite gay representatives to the White House early in his administration. **Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re:The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
I like it when the ID thing is done equally. For example where I vote they don't ask me for an ID but they ask my foreign wife for an ID. I have a few laughs with it and of course make a few remarks about it. --- On Wed, 10/29/08, mark07712 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: mark07712 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re:The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 4:24 PM It's called a government issued ID Card. You can get them at the DMV. I can hear it now... but if they don't have a ride and cannot afford the bus fare to get to the DMV shouldn't they still be allowed to vote? --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ ... wrote: Anyone on a park bench should be able to vote. Just because you are homeless, doesn't mean you do not get to vote, does it? That's the problem with ID requirements or driver's license requirements. Just bc you can't drive doesn't mean you can't vote. What if I was a 35 yr old who didn't drive and lived a quiet existance in my mom's house? (Oh the horror:) But anyway, does that mean I don't get to vote bc maybe I don't have a driver's license or ultility bills in my name? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Hijacked from true to equal protection
Um, hears another guy putting words in my mouth. Show me where I said anything about a homicide bomber screaming Allah Oh wait, you must think that because you know I'm an Obama supporter and that I actually believe that Obama is somehow a terrorist in hiding. Your right, I am a piece of work and proud of it, and I'm greatly looking forward to the day when Obama takes office and actually turns this country in a positive direction for a change. I'd also like to add that the 8 years of damage that GW did to this county and world are a million times worse then anything Obama has ever been accused of. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hemeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Evangelical Republicans scare the crap out of you yet a homicide bomber screaming Allah before he kills innocent people is okay? YOu are a piece of work. --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Hijacked from true to equal protection To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 3:55 PM Actually, no, I'm not going to do that. I can't google quick enough, and honestly, I don't really care. If I wanted to, I could easily make the leap that one of the biggest support groups for Republicans are evangelical christians, who basically scare the crap out of me. They are patently anti-gay. So, while it might be true that a republican figurehead such as a president may not have done anything to hurt the gay population, behind the scenes there is plenty of hurt going on by republican supporters. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ ... wrote: Jack how do you post this without responding at all to the fact that only a Democrat President has passed laws hurting gays? You go straight to name calling. Nothing to say about the fact that only a Democrat President had hurt gays and Republicans haven't? It's not a fair statement to say 'Democrats hurt gays when only a Democrat President as hurt them not once but twice? Address the issue. I dare you. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Democrats hurt gays. Probably the most ignorant comment I've ever read here. I can't wait for this election to be over, because the hardcore republicans appear to be freaking out in desperation. Fox news was falling all over itself this morning to find new ways to put Obama down while grasping at straws. What's going to happen to all of the over-zealous republicans next week when Obama wins? Are you all going to go hide under your beds in fear? And what happens when Obama actually does good for our country? Are you going to find a way to trash him then? --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: You say below that Biden wants to preserve the definition of marriage in the constitution. Is that another Biden gaffe? Where does the constitution have a definition of marriage? Either he didn't say it and your source is wrong, or he's made yet another of many silly gaffes. Sorry to burst your bubble Jennifer but there have only been 1 executive order and 1 law signed by an American President. Both were against gays. Both were signed by Democrat Bill Clinton. No Republican President has signed a law or order against gays. George Bush had a Republican House and Senate for 6 years and didn't do it. Democrat Bill Clinton did. Open your eyes - Democrats hurt gays. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jennifer jennifernjca@ wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Your quote accused conservative of hate and fear mongering. The posts were disprove your point - it's the libs that are unhinged. No Sir, you said Liberals alway change the subject in a response to a post I wrote about separating marriage from the state. I replied that I wasn't changing a subject, but contributing my own thought on the topic which had already begun. I simply replied to you with a question about Conservatives trying to scare people and stir up anger and hatred by fear mongering. No one is shouting to kill McCain or Palin at Obama rallies. You came back with some angry people threatening a woman who exists to be the voice of soccer moms everyhwere. I gave you some very clear examples and quotes from Republicans on the original topic - civil rights for gay couples. I did name the wrong law as the source of the debate DOMA. These debates were over the the 2006 Federal Marriage Amendment not the Defense of Marriage Act. It is the words stated that are scary. The
[AsburyPark] Re: Hijacked from true to equal protection
Oh look, here's another guy putting words in my mouth. Show me where I said anything about a homicide bomber screaming Allah Oh wait, you must think that because you know I'm an Obama supporter and that I actually believe that Obama is somehow a terrorist in hiding. Your right, I am a piece of work and proud of it, and I'm greatly looking forward to the day when Obama takes office and actually turns this country in a positive direction for a change. I'd also like to add that the 8 years of damage that GW did to this county and world are a million times worse then anything Obama has ever been accused of. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hemeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Evangelical Republicans scare the crap out of you yet a homicide bomber screaming Allah before he kills innocent people is okay? YOu are a piece of work. --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Hijacked from true to equal protection To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 3:55 PM Actually, no, I'm not going to do that. I can't google quick enough, and honestly, I don't really care. If I wanted to, I could easily make the leap that one of the biggest support groups for Republicans are evangelical christians, who basically scare the crap out of me. They are patently anti-gay. So, while it might be true that a republican figurehead such as a president may not have done anything to hurt the gay population, behind the scenes there is plenty of hurt going on by republican supporters. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ ... wrote: Jack how do you post this without responding at all to the fact that only a Democrat President has passed laws hurting gays? You go straight to name calling. Nothing to say about the fact that only a Democrat President had hurt gays and Republicans haven't? It's not a fair statement to say 'Democrats hurt gays when only a Democrat President as hurt them not once but twice? Address the issue. I dare you. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Democrats hurt gays. Probably the most ignorant comment I've ever read here. I can't wait for this election to be over, because the hardcore republicans appear to be freaking out in desperation. Fox news was falling all over itself this morning to find new ways to put Obama down while grasping at straws. What's going to happen to all of the over-zealous republicans next week when Obama wins? Are you all going to go hide under your beds in fear? And what happens when Obama actually does good for our country? Are you going to find a way to trash him then? --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: You say below that Biden wants to preserve the definition of marriage in the constitution. Is that another Biden gaffe? Where does the constitution have a definition of marriage? Either he didn't say it and your source is wrong, or he's made yet another of many silly gaffes. Sorry to burst your bubble Jennifer but there have only been 1 executive order and 1 law signed by an American President. Both were against gays. Both were signed by Democrat Bill Clinton. No Republican President has signed a law or order against gays. George Bush had a Republican House and Senate for 6 years and didn't do it. Democrat Bill Clinton did. Open your eyes - Democrats hurt gays. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jennifer jennifernjca@ wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Your quote accused conservative of hate and fear mongering. The posts were disprove your point - it's the libs that are unhinged. No Sir, you said Liberals alway change the subject in a response to a post I wrote about separating marriage from the state. I replied that I wasn't changing a subject, but contributing my own thought on the topic which had already begun. I simply replied to you with a question about Conservatives trying to scare people and stir up anger and hatred by fear mongering. No one is shouting to kill McCain or Palin at Obama rallies. You came back with some angry people threatening a woman who exists to be the voice of soccer moms everyhwere. I gave you some very clear examples and quotes from Republicans on the original topic - civil rights for gay couples. I did name the wrong law as the source of the debate DOMA. These debates were over the the 2006 Federal Marriage Amendment not the Defense of Marriage Act. It is the words stated that are scary. The amendment
[AsburyPark] Re:The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hemeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why couldn't flipping be done by Dems? It could be and I wouldn't put it past sleazy dems. They were slimy enough to spend millions to try to keep Nader off the ballot. It simply isn't what is reflected in the facts of the article or in the evidence presented in the film Uncounted. There are Republicans deeply disturbed by this stuff. You can see lots of film clips from the film on youtube. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
If you don't agree with the bleeding heart liberals you are a troll. I'll wear that badge proudly. I think it is time for a ride on the trolley to the neighborhood of make believe. --- On Wed, 10/29/08, fancypaaantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: fancypaaantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 2:26 PM What makes you a troll, unlike Oak, is that you say thinks like the below that are just downright inflamatory. I know I should not even engage, but go to factcheck.org and read about Acorn if you would like to educate yourself. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ ... wrote: Or call Obama's Acorn, and they'll help you vote dozens and dozens of times! Remember the good old days when the left just yelled voter fraud even when there was none (that's right out of the DNC hand book - I can link it if you wish). Now they've graduated to performing illegal acts of voter fraud, and the issue seems to be no big deal anymore. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Michael W. Brim mwbnj@ wrote: If you feel your vote will not be counted, as outlined below. You can make sure it is counted the way it should be! Take the 20 minute drive (+/-) and head over to the Monmouth County Board of Elections, 300 Halls Mill Road, Freehold. You may have to stand in lines to vote by absentee ballot, but it will be a paper vote vs. the bad machine! Michael Michael W. Brim, Municipal Chairman Asbury Park Democratic Executive Committee 321 Sunset Avenue, Unit 5F Asbury Park NJ 07712-5550 Cell: 732-996-8160 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com] On Behalf Of Gabrielle Obre Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate This is FREAKING me out. No intention to troll, just reach more people. This is ONE of MANY articles. Call in the international election monitors! http://www.commondr eams.org/ headline/ 2008/10/29- 0 Published on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 by The Independent/ UK The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate by Peter Tatchell As early voting in the US presidential elections gets underway, ESS iVotronics touch-screen electronic voting machines have been observed in four separate states [1] flipping the votes - mostly from Barack Obama to John McCain but sometimes to third party candidates too. This has already occurred during early voting in the states of West Virginia, Tennessee, Missouri and Texas. A county clerk in West Virginia invited a video crew to watch his demonstration of the reliability of the disputed voting machines but instead he saw the machine flipping the votes, as critics claimed. He put this down to the faulty calibration of the voting machine. However, even after he recalibrated the machine it continued to flip votes. Watch the video here: This is further evidence that the electronic voting machines that will be used in the 4 November election are not reliable and accurate - that they are prone to malfunction and may not record the actual vote winner. Democrats are not the only people who are worried. Stephen Spoonamore, a Republican security expert, explains why electronic voting is inherently unsafe in an eight part series of interviews. You can watch Part 1, and access Parts 2 to 7, here [2]. Writing in the New Statesman way back in 2004, reflecting on criticisms of the electronic voting systems used in the presidential election that year, Michael Meacher MP pointed out that statisticians, academics and political analysts had highlighted significant voting differences [3] between electoral districts that used paper ballots and those that used electronic systems. These cannot be explained by random variation. The investigators found a much larger variance than expected and in every case it favoured George W Bush over John Kerry. In Wisconsin and Ohio, the discrepancy favoured Bush by 4 per cent, in Pennsylvania by 5 per cent, in Florida and Minnesota by 7 per cent, in North Carolina by 9 per cent and in New Hampshire by a whopping 15 per cent. Research by the University of Berkeley, California, revealed election irregularities in 2004 in Florida. These irregularities, all of which were associated with electronic voting machines, appear to have awarded between 130,000 to 260,000 additional votes to Bush. The discrepancies between paper and electronic voting could be the result of simple technological glitches. But some experts detect something more sinister: outright vote fixing by
[AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are right, and you can also see from my previous posts that I agree with you. He posts these things and you can almost see a smug little smile on his face when he types, then he wants to twist everything around to try and prove some point that 95% of us would not agree with. In a way its like a lawyering trait gone horribly wrong. Lawyers do like to argue, but Tommy argues with twisted facts and strange conclusions. And if the argument may end, he'll just twist it some more to keep it going, arguing for arguments sake. It is annoying. Hey Fancy - A dollar to the Charity of your choice for every wrong fact I posted since you've been here. Go ahead and list them. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
No, it is when you say things just to get a rise out of people for argument's sake that you are a troll. bleeding heart liberal nice one! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hemeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you don't agree with the bleeding heart liberals you are a troll. I'll wear that badge proudly. I think it is time for a ride on the trolley to the neighborhood of make believe. --- On Wed, 10/29/08, fancypaaantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: fancypaaantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 2:26 PM What makes you a troll, unlike Oak, is that you say thinks like the below that are just downright inflamatory. I know I should not even engage, but go to factcheck.org and read about Acorn if you would like to educate yourself. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ ... wrote: Or call Obama's Acorn, and they'll help you vote dozens and dozens of times! Remember the good old days when the left just yelled voter fraud even when there was none (that's right out of the DNC hand book - I can link it if you wish). Now they've graduated to performing illegal acts of voter fraud, and the issue seems to be no big deal anymore. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Michael W. Brim mwbnj@ wrote: If you feel your vote will not be counted, as outlined below. You can make sure it is counted the way it should be! Take the 20 minute drive (+/-) and head over to the Monmouth County Board of Elections, 300 Halls Mill Road, Freehold. You may have to stand in lines to vote by absentee ballot, but it will be a paper vote vs. the bad machine! Michael Michael W. Brim, Municipal Chairman Asbury Park Democratic Executive Committee 321 Sunset Avenue, Unit 5F Asbury Park NJ 07712-5550 Cell: 732-996-8160 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com] On Behalf Of Gabrielle Obre Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate This is FREAKING me out. No intention to troll, just reach more people. This is ONE of MANY articles. Call in the international election monitors! http://www.commondr eams.org/ headline/ 2008/10/29- 0 Published on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 by The Independent/ UK The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate by Peter Tatchell As early voting in the US presidential elections gets underway, ESS iVotronics touch-screen electronic voting machines have been observed in four separate states [1] flipping the votes - mostly from Barack Obama to John McCain but sometimes to third party candidates too. This has already occurred during early voting in the states of West Virginia, Tennessee, Missouri and Texas. A county clerk in West Virginia invited a video crew to watch his demonstration of the reliability of the disputed voting machines but instead he saw the machine flipping the votes, as critics claimed. He put this down to the faulty calibration of the voting machine. However, even after he recalibrated the machine it continued to flip votes. Watch the video here: This is further evidence that the electronic voting machines that will be used in the 4 November election are not reliable and accurate - that they are prone to malfunction and may not record the actual vote winner. Democrats are not the only people who are worried. Stephen Spoonamore, a Republican security expert, explains why electronic voting is inherently unsafe in an eight part series of interviews. You can watch Part 1, and access Parts 2 to 7, here [2]. Writing in the New Statesman way back in 2004, reflecting on criticisms of the electronic voting systems used in the presidential election that year, Michael Meacher MP pointed out that statisticians, academics and political analysts had highlighted significant voting differences [3] between electoral districts that used paper ballots and those that used electronic systems. These cannot be explained by random variation. The investigators found a much larger variance than expected and in every case it favoured George W Bush over John Kerry. In Wisconsin and Ohio, the discrepancy favoured Bush by 4 per cent, in Pennsylvania by 5 per cent, in Florida and Minnesota by 7 per cent, in North Carolina by 9 per cent and in New Hampshire by a whopping 15 per cent. Research by the University of Berkeley, California, revealed election
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Hijacked from true to equal protection
I would never want to put words in your mouth Jack. You don't have to say it liberals always go after reliogions that won't fight back yet don't have a set of nuts to go against people that kill innocent people. You are putting words in my mouth I don't give crap who you vote for. Why is the LA Times hiding a video tape of your messiah with Khaladi? You are so naive it is scary. If it were of McCain it would be plastered all over the news. Fair and Balanced my ass! --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Hijacked from true to equal protection To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 4:31 PM Oh look, here's another guy putting words in my mouth. Show me where I said anything about a homicide bomber screaming Allah Oh wait, you must think that because you know I'm an Obama supporter and that I actually believe that Obama is somehow a terrorist in hiding. Your right, I am a piece of work and proud of it, and I'm greatly looking forward to the day when Obama takes office and actually turns this country in a positive direction for a change. I'd also like to add that the 8 years of damage that GW did to this county and world are a million times worse then anything Obama has ever been accused of. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Mike Hemeon tvnetdude2000@ ... wrote: Evangelical Republicans scare the crap out of you yet a homicide bomber screaming Allah before he kills innocent people is okay? YOu are a piece of work. --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Hijacked from true to equal protection To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 3:55 PM Actually, no, I'm not going to do that. I can't google quick enough, and honestly, I don't really care. If I wanted to, I could easily make the leap that one of the biggest support groups for Republicans are evangelical christians, who basically scare the crap out of me. They are patently anti-gay. So, while it might be true that a republican figurehead such as a president may not have done anything to hurt the gay population, behind the scenes there is plenty of hurt going on by republican supporters. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ ... wrote: Jack how do you post this without responding at all to the fact that only a Democrat President has passed laws hurting gays? You go straight to name calling. Nothing to say about the fact that only a Democrat President had hurt gays and Republicans haven't? It's not a fair statement to say 'Democrats hurt gays when only a Democrat President as hurt them not once but twice? Address the issue. I dare you. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Democrats hurt gays. Probably the most ignorant comment I've ever read here. I can't wait for this election to be over, because the hardcore republicans appear to be freaking out in desperation. Fox news was falling all over itself this morning to find new ways to put Obama down while grasping at straws. What's going to happen to all of the over-zealous republicans next week when Obama wins? Are you all going to go hide under your beds in fear? And what happens when Obama actually does good for our country? Are you going to find a way to trash him then? --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: You say below that Biden wants to preserve the definition of marriage in the constitution. Is that another Biden gaffe? Where does the constitution have a definition of marriage? Either he didn't say it and your source is wrong, or he's made yet another of many silly gaffes. Sorry to burst your bubble Jennifer but there have only been 1 executive order and 1 law signed by an American President. Both were against gays. Both were signed by Democrat Bill Clinton. No Republican President has signed a law or order against gays. George Bush had a Republican House and Senate for 6 years and didn't do it. Democrat Bill Clinton did. Open your eyes - Democrats hurt gays. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jennifer jennifernjca@ wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Your quote accused conservative of hate and fear mongering. The posts were disprove your point - it's the libs that are unhinged. No Sir, you said Liberals alway change the subject in a response to a post I wrote about separating marriage from the state. I replied that I wasn't changing a subject, but contributing my own thought on the topic which had already begun.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Hijacked from true to equal protection
I'm smart enough to know that a president's bully pulpit and his government's financial resources can effect change in people's behaviors: smoking or drinking during pregnancy, STD programs, drug programs, fast-track approval programs for new drugs, educating that AIDS is not limited to gays, prevent HIV children from being stigmatized, et al. In a message dated 10/29/2008 4:27:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I thought you were too smart for the Reagan caused people to die from AIDS old line. What would have happened if he said something? **Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
If you have a postion wear it don't hide from it. --- On Wed, 10/29/08, fancypaaantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: fancypaaantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 4:36 PM No, it is when you say things just to get a rise out of people for argument's sake that you are a troll. bleeding heart liberal nice one! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Mike Hemeon tvnetdude2000@ ... wrote: If you don't agree with the bleeding heart liberals you are a troll. I'll wear that badge proudly. I think it is time for a ride on the trolley to the neighborhood of make believe. --- On Wed, 10/29/08, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ ... wrote: From: fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ ... Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 2:26 PM What makes you a troll, unlike Oak, is that you say thinks like the below that are just downright inflamatory. I know I should not even engage, but go to factcheck.org and read about Acorn if you would like to educate yourself. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ ... wrote: Or call Obama's Acorn, and they'll help you vote dozens and dozens of times! Remember the good old days when the left just yelled voter fraud even when there was none (that's right out of the DNC hand book - I can link it if you wish). Now they've graduated to performing illegal acts of voter fraud, and the issue seems to be no big deal anymore. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Michael W. Brim mwbnj@ wrote: If you feel your vote will not be counted, as outlined below. You can make sure it is counted the way it should be! Take the 20 minute drive (+/-) and head over to the Monmouth County Board of Elections, 300 Halls Mill Road, Freehold. You may have to stand in lines to vote by absentee ballot, but it will be a paper vote vs. the bad machine! Michael Michael W. Brim, Municipal Chairman Asbury Park Democratic Executive Committee 321 Sunset Avenue, Unit 5F Asbury Park NJ 07712-5550 Cell: 732-996-8160 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com [mailto:AsburyPark@ yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Gabrielle Obre Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate This is FREAKING me out. No intention to troll, just reach more people. This is ONE of MANY articles. Call in the international election monitors! http://www.commondr eams.org/ headline/ 2008/10/29- 0 Published on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 by The Independent/ UK The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate by Peter Tatchell As early voting in the US presidential elections gets underway, ESS iVotronics touch-screen electronic voting machines have been observed in four separate states [1] flipping the votes - mostly from Barack Obama to John McCain but sometimes to third party candidates too. This has already occurred during early voting in the states of West Virginia, Tennessee, Missouri and Texas. A county clerk in West Virginia invited a video crew to watch his demonstration of the reliability of the disputed voting machines but instead he saw the machine flipping the votes, as critics claimed. He put this down to the faulty calibration of the voting machine. However, even after he recalibrated the machine it continued to flip votes. Watch the video here: This is further evidence that the electronic voting machines that will be used in the 4 November election are not reliable and accurate - that they are prone to malfunction and may not record the actual vote winner. Democrats are not the only people who are worried. Stephen Spoonamore, a Republican security expert, explains why electronic voting is inherently unsafe in an eight part series of interviews. You can watch Part 1, and access Parts 2 to 7, here [2]. Writing in the New Statesman way back in 2004, reflecting on criticisms of the electronic voting systems used in the presidential election that year, Michael Meacher MP pointed out that statisticians, academics and political analysts had highlighted significant voting differences [3] between electoral districts that used paper ballots and those that used electronic systems. These cannot be explained by random variation. The investigators found a much larger variance than expected and in every case it favoured George W Bush over John Kerry. In
Re: [AsburyPark] Re:The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
To be honest if both parties could keep third parties off they would. This is going to be a tight race. --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re:The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 4:31 PM --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Mike Hemeon tvnetdude2000@ ... wrote: Why couldn't flipping be done by Dems? It could be and I wouldn't put it past sleazy dems. They were slimy enough to spend millions to try to keep Nader off the ballot. It simply isn't what is reflected in the facts of the article or in the evidence presented in the film Uncounted. There are Republicans deeply disturbed by this stuff. You can see lots of film clips from the film on youtube. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Hijacked from true to equal protection
It didn't work. I don't know how many of you remember when the govt sprayed marijuana with paraquat. It didn't put a dent in usage but I did notice a funny taste. Ah those were the days! --- On Wed, 10/29/08, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Hijacked from true to equal protection To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 4:27 PM I thought you were too smart for the Reagan caused people to die from AIDS old line. What would have happened if he said something? All the gay bath houses would have emptied out because they all believed so strongly in the word of Ronald Reagan? Once he did say something did anyone change their behavior because he said so? Don't think so. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] . wrote: AIDS broke in 1980-81. Reagan would even say the words HIV or Aids In a message dated 10/29/2008 3:48:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, justifiedright@ ... writes: Nothing to say about the fact that only a Democrat President had hurt gays and Republicans haven't? = = Reagan and Aids By Larry Kramer In response to Reconstructing Ronald Reagan (March 1, 2007) REAGAN AIDS To the Editors: It is always distressing to read upgradings by academics and journalists more determined to recreate history in their own imaginings than in the facts that are available for honest consideration [Russell Baker, Reconstructing Ronald Reagan, NYR, March 1]. Ronald Reagan may have done laudable things but he was also a monster and, in my estimation, responsible for more deaths than Adolf Hitler. He is one of the persons most responsible for allowing the plague of AIDS to grow from 41 cases in 1981 to over 70 million today. He refused to even say the word out loud for the first seven years of his presidency and when he did speak about it it was with disdain. He was, in the words of his domestic policy adviser, Gary Bauer, irrevocably opposed to anything having to do with homosexuality (personal communication with me in his White House office in April of 1983). As I write in my book The Tragedy of Today's Gays (Penguin, 2005), I can locate no work of any urgency, or indeed, much work at all, on AIDS during his entire presidency, thus allowing many millions of gay men all over the world to be exposed to the virus without so much as a warning from anyone in his government. Those of us on the front lines can attest to this stone wall that was unbreachable. It is laughable that Emerson, a possibly gay man himself, should be dragged in here. Great flexibility of mind! Ability to adapt and embrace change! Diggins and Arquilla have got to be joking. Larry Kramer New York City I'll concede that Kramer was overstating with the mention of Hitler. Clinton was hemmed in by Newt Gringrich's congress with the Defense of Marriage Act which was authored by Bob Barr. And Clinton was thwarted by Dick Armey on the Gays in the Military issue. Armey threatened to pass legislation to counter any executive order by Clinton about gays in the military. Thus the compromise, Don't Ask, Don't Tell. From day one, Clinton was besieged by the right wing starting with the $400 haircut et al. No comparison between the number who died because of Reagan's denial and the number who couldn't marry because of Clinton's signature. Clinton wasn't afraid to say the word AIDS nor to invite gay representatives to the White House early in his administration. **Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://travel. aol.com/discount -travel?ncid= emlcntustrav 0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
