Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Newbie ask Room correction
Why don't you use TP? Do you have recommendation for external DAC to compete with TP -- gwnzen gwnzen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13489 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
opaqueice;233551 Wrote: The problem is that the signal is _not_ exactly the same. It's pretty easy to measure the differences between cables. What's much harder is to hear them... Then the conclusion is simple: the cables are not equal. Which one is better is a different question and IMHO very personal. And now the 1 million dollar question: does the difference have any effect and how to measure the difference after the speakers: that shouldn't be to difficult. The funny thing is that most 'audiophiles' are of an age where the hearing has already deteriorated a lot... -- servies servies's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9496 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
Pat Farrell;233614 Wrote: Robin Bowes wrote: Of course 1 + 1 = 2 - that's been mathematically proven. Actually, its usually defined as being true. One of my favorite courses (I've got a Mathematics BS) was looking at the minimal number of hypothesis that you can have, and proving arithmetic as we know it. The minimum is generally called Peano's Postulates. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peano_axioms And there we have the exact problem with 'audiophiles'. You need a minimum number of hypothesis to get going. We need 1 + 1 = 2 to be true to do our mathematics. But when the 'audiophiles' are proven incorrect they want to throw away the 1 + 1 = 2 definition... -- servies servies's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9496 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
... What has happened in the last few years is that good enough audio gear is available at reasonable prices .. Very true. I just moved to a small apartment temporarily, and no way could I take my audiophile shrine with me. Way too big, too demanding. So I bought some AudioEngine 5s based on positive opinions in this very forum, and I am blown away by how darn satisfying this $1k setup is, compared to by ~$20k home reference system'. It sounds awesome, and its simplicity is so elegant... It is a pretty awesome time to listen to music and be able to really enjoy it without spending a fortune. When I was a struggling student I would have given my left nut for a setup like this, but of course, back then PCs where $10k+... ... The mining process is actually one of the main A Audiophiles sources of delight: the result of that romantic tension towards the unrealized Audio Nirvana dream. There are very rational drivers behind that, though. There are very simple and cost effective measures that provide gains. It does not have to be the esoteric stuff. However, the pursuit of diminshing results with unrelenting passion is at the core of eveery enthusiast hobby if you think about it. Once you buy it the post-purchase guilt is likely to sneak in and spoil the fun (definitely true for expensive audio cables). I have never had that happen to me. I believe good quality cables make a difference. My cutoff for cables is at a few hundred $, though. For my main home system. I would not spend more. But even now with my budget setup, I have every cable replaced, albeit of course not with a single cable that is over $75, it would not make any sesnse... and this setup only needs a couple of cables, of course. The SB3 also has a (moderately priced) linear power supply. And I do not regret any of the moderate things I go for. Do I always hear a measurable difference? No. But I like the peace of mind of knowing the cut corner components that vendors package in as a secondary product are eliminated in my system. It looks better, and honestly it feels that little bit more musical that makes a difference. It's easy, and doesn't hurt. Most cars/hifi gear selection choices can be directly linked to those compulsions that we acquire as child and never leave us: peer pressure, seeking the alpha male status or compensating for some perceived deficiencies Aw come on. *Some* may do it. Some just have a lot of money to spend on a hobby, no questions asked, bless them. And some allocate some of their disposable income to pursue whatever results (diminshing as they get with every $ spent) they like, no harm done. And say nothing to anyone - I do not know a single audiophile that brags, by the way. The ones I have come across are quiet about it, just play the music for some social event, and you nod your head in appreciation, and most people never notice or know. I do believe in moderation and balance. But that is a very relative metric, and I don't expect everybody to live by it. I know genuine audiophiles that came to real money - one of them got the usual BW Nautilus and spent $100k around it... with questionable results, and he knows it. Another one kept the system he'd had all the time and carefully put together, and which is one of the sweetest sounding systems ever, put together for about $10k over many years. It's impossible to paint all audiophiles with generic statements. What I know is that someone that can not tell me much about music they are playing for me to supposedly appreciate their system are questionable music lovers - they are the ones you talk about with the insecurities, and I would not call them audiophiles... -- pablolie pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
servies wrote: Pat Farrell;233614 Wrote: Robin Bowes wrote: Of course 1 + 1 = 2 - that's been mathematically proven. Actually, its usually defined as being true. One of my favorite courses (I've got a Mathematics BS) was looking at the minimal number of hypothesis that you can have, and proving arithmetic as we know it. The minimum is generally called Peano's Postulates. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peano_axioms And there we have the exact problem with 'audiophiles'. You need a minimum number of hypothesis to get going. We need 1 + 1 = 2 to be true to do our mathematics. But when the 'audiophiles' are proven incorrect they want to throw away the 1 + 1 = 2 definition... Pat is not an audiophile. I am not an audiophile. I can't speak for Pat, but I'm a music enthusiast with a background in audio engineering (I have a degree in Electracoustics, worked in recording studios, worked on live sound, etc). I believe Pat has a similar background in audio. The two polar extremes in this field are: 1. Engineer - I don't care what my ears tell me - if you can't measure it, it's not real. We know what we're doing. 2. Audiophile - I swear it sounds better if I write my name on page 42 of a book and put it in the freezer. Really, it does. As always, the reality lies somewhere between the two extremes. Now, I'm not sure what your agenda is, but you appear to be a certified, card-carrying Engineer - and a particularly vociferous example at that. The DBT chestnut is often rolled out on these forums because it is proven that sighted testing is flawed because of the powerful suggestive effect of external influences. This is all very well, but it struck me today that this can work both ways. The whole listening experience is a psychological thing - without your brain processing the information received by your ears you wouldn't hear anything. So, it seems eminently reasonable to me that one way to improve your listening experience is to influence your brain. The ultimate goal here is to enjoy the music; and if performing bizarre rituals enhances your listening experience then so what? Food for thought. R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Newbie ask Room correction
gwnzen;233753 Wrote: Why don't you use TP? Do you have recommendation for external DAC to compete with TP If by TP you mean a transporter, I did try one. The digital output sounded exactly the same as running the SB3 through the Apogee Big Ben, which I already owned. I had no use for the Transporter analog section since my DACs are also my power amps (TacT S2150 digital amps). The Transporter is excellent - both the digital and analog outputs. It just wasn't more excellent than what I already had. Regards, Kim -- krochat -- SB3 (+linear) - Big Ben - TacT RCS 2.2X - 2xS2150 - Vandersteen 3a Signature + TacT W210 krochat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6579 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
Yes, any thing or any ritual might make you happier about the sound. IME a blind test can make you happier about the sound too (when you discover something you thought you liked makes no difference or makes it worse). Whatever floats your boat mentally. The crucial difference is that blind tests are free. Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz - Sony DAS-703ES DAC - Krell KAV-300i - PMC AB-1 Dell laptop - JVC UX-C30 mini system darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
Robin Bowes;233781 Wrote: servies wrote:[color=blue] Pat is not an audiophile. I am not an audiophile. I can't speak for Pat, but I'm a music enthusiast with a background in audio engineering (I have a degree in Electracoustics, worked in recording studios, worked on live sound, etc). I believe Pat has a similar background in audio. The two polar extremes in this field are: 1. Engineer - I don't care what my ears tell me - if you can't measure it, it's not real. We know what we're doing. 2. Audiophile - I swear it sounds better if I write my name on page 42 of a book and put it in the freezer. Really, it does. As always, the reality lies somewhere between the two extremes. Now, I'm not sure what your agenda is, but you appear to be a certified, card-carrying Engineer - and a particularly vociferous example at that. The DBT chestnut is often rolled out on these forums because it is proven that sighted testing is flawed because of the powerful suggestive effect of external influences. This is all very well, but it struck me today that this can work both ways. The whole listening experience is a psychological thing - without your brain processing the information received by your ears you wouldn't hear anything. So, it seems eminently reasonable to me that one way to improve your listening experience is to influence your brain. The ultimate goal here is to enjoy the music; and if performing bizarre rituals enhances your listening experience then so what? R. In that case: why does it seem like you have a problem with debunking a possible fraud? If they claim that their cable is superb compared to others, why can't I ask them to proof it with a valid test. I'm a software engineer that's why I want proof and don't believe in things people hear but can't measure... especially knowing that human ears are extremely limited... -- servies servies's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9496 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
servies wrote: In that case: why does it seem like you have a problem with debunking a possible fraud? I don't. That's not what this is about. If they claim that their cable is superb compared to others, why can't I ask them to proof it with a valid test. The key word here is valid. What exactly is a valid test? I'm a software engineer that's why I want proof and don't believe in things people hear but can't measure... especially knowing that human ears are extremely limited... The real world is not quite so nice and ordered as software tends to be and therefore is not only harder to measure and quantify, but it is also not easy to know what to measure. Human ears, or more accurately, the human hearing system is an amazing piece of kit and is capable of doing things computers can only dream of. That is why I am sceptical about the we can measure more than we can hear approach. Don't get me wrong - I'm not a card-carrying audiophile nut who believes in snake-oil, but I don't think the reality of the matter is as clear-cut as engineers like yourself seem to think. R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
Robin, That was a very balanced and well reasoned post. I suspect many people agree with that middle of the road opinion. I certainly do. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] From I-Tunes (or any other store) to Music Collection... Best Practises?
Pablolie, I tunes+ has no DRM so you don't need to do anything with those files. My understandong of lossy files is that when you reimport them with another lossy format it will reduce even further the original file even if you reimport at a higher lossy bit rate because you are lossing data. The only way to not further degrade a lossy file is to do lossless or wav. At least this is what some people far more knowledgeable than I explained to me on this forum. Couldn't you create a playlist of all your reconverted files and keep track of them this way? -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39123 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
Seconded. I am willing to accept there are things out there we can't measure but we can nonetheless perceive. Cables don't appear to be one of them, they are very well understood...if there were any small-scale variations that had large-scale effects electrical delivery systems would be impossible. Speakers on the other hand, are much more mystical/magical IMHO. They are mechanically and electrically very simple but you can't just bash one together and expect good sound. There is really an art to speakers, even though we've been building them for about 100 years now. Volumes and volumes have been written about them and basic designs really haven't changed but that still doesn't mean a company can manufacture a speaker that people universally like. There are things going on we just can't measure yet, and our brains and how they interpret sound are the limiting factor. -- Mark Lanctot 'Sean Adams' Response-O-Matic checklist, patent pending!' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=200910postcount=2) Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
I like apples better than pears (excuse the pun) but that doesn't make one BETTER than the other, just DIFFERENT. As a fan of Randi, I find it impossible to validate a claim that one thing is better than another. It's all subjective, like most things in life. So not only is this a stupid proposition, but it will never be proven. Maybe for a test, one could go rockclimbing using the cables as ropes. Whichever doesn't send you plunging to your death can be considered the BETTER cable. -- drewe181 http://www.last.fm/user/drewe181/ drewe181's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8129 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
Just found this pic of the Linn klimax DS , looks xtremly well build. http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20071005/ina1_04.jpg -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm way out to lunch here. Look, we're talking about interconnects here, right? So wouldn't the 'benchmark' be no interconnect at all? - that is, the signal at the output of the amp is the signal at the speaker post - no interconnect. Hmmm... so how do we put this into a test rig? Why not start with an active system where the amp is in the speaker, and then tear it apart and stick 'interconnects' between the amp section and the speaker? One should then be able to argue that if there is any perceivable difference at all, it _must_ be a degradation (I defy anybody to try to tell me that a difference in sound _due_ to an interconnect is an improvement!) Say, can I get a million bucks for proving the cables are a waste of money? -- nicketynick Wireless SB3, Denon DRA-F101, Mission M31 loudspeakers WinXP SP2 Slimserver, SMC WBR14g router http://www.last.fm/user/nicketynick/ nicketynick's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1511 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
Yes, absolutely, the best a cable can do is nothing whatsoever. The perfect cable is not danceable, does not have a cavernous soundstage or possess bottomless bass. It just passes the signal through, whatever it may contain - and that might be rubbish - unchanged. We all know the truth about what is important, even if only subconsciously. I am sure we've all walked into a room at hi-fi show and been impressed with a new system we've never heard before. I bet none of us, on such an occasion, thought first this must be incredible speaker cable! Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz - Sony DAS-703ES DAC - Krell KAV-300i - PMC AB-1 Dell laptop - JVC UX-C30 mini system darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] From I-Tunes (or any other store) to Music Collection... Best Practises?
tomjtx;233830 Wrote: Pablolie, I tunes+ has no DRM so you don't need to do anything with those files. But doesn't Slimserver transcode on the fly there, since I don't think it supports I-Tunes AAC as a native format? I only see the option to stream AAC as MP3, FLAC or one of the other built-in formats. I guess FLAC it is. I'll test it against a 256k MP3 I would regularly produce from I-Tunes-CD-MP3. -- pablolie pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39123 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] From I-Tunes (or any other store) to Music Collection... Best Practises?
Streaming as flac shoud be fine. My ALAC files stream as wav or flac and they sound great. I might , as much as I hate lossy files, buy 1 Itunes + file to test it. I wish Itunes supported flac and sold flac or alac files: that would be my couch potato dream :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39123 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
Let's get back to reality for a second. Wes Phillips in Stereophile said the TP rivaled the Ayre universal player which is considered one of the best digital playbacks around. He then put a cheap Oppo universal feeding TP and he said that combo rivaled the Ayre with DVD A and other high res formats. This assumption that a modded TP is better ,or that the Linn is better is just that: an assumption. But if you really want to spend money for the sake of spending money I will be happy to sell you a great mod. for 1,000.00 paypal to me I will PM you a proprietary code I alone have developed. All you need to do is say this code out loud to your system and you will perceive an ENORMOUS difference. Sorry, no refunds available on this special offer. :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] From I-Tunes (or any other store) to Music Collection... Best Practises?
tomjtx;233847 Wrote: ... I wish Itunes supported flac and sold flac or alac files: that would be my couch potato dream :-) Among other dreams (a disturbing number of them involving Swedish flight attendant twins :-)) , this definitely is a re-ocurring one! I-Tunes selling FLACs... that would be beautiful. Aso, a collaborative environment where people can publish high quality rips that record companies are too lazy to re-issue. Of course in a format that benefits the artists and composers. -- pablolie pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39123 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
Well besides the stereophil review , it seem that the trasnporter gets beaten by even a modest cd player, just look at the norweogen review , the Rega player beat it in there system. And there are usaly very entuiastic about the gear the review. And what about the latest review at TNT-Audio the transporter gets beaten by the sb3+ (Modded sb3) oh well iges the most be deaf. I have not read one review of the transporter where the reviewer preferes it to his player, not even in the steroephil review , if you read between the lines its very clear that he would chose the ayre enyday. Now i honestly dont rely on reviews that much since i dont have the reviewers ears, However the klimax DS was reviewed I cant remember where but the said it was the best digital source the had yet heard. Somone needs to borrow this thing home and compare it to the transporter , but i wouldent be suprised if the transporter sounds broken in comparison. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
Robin Bowes;233798 Wrote: Human ears, or more accurately, the human hearing system is an amazing piece of kit and is capable of doing things computers can only dream of. That is why I am sceptical about the we can measure more than we can hear approach. R. I think you're giving the human hearing system to much credit. It's extremely limited and it's very limited in it's capabilities of accurately processing sound. The dynamic range is pretty small as is its frequencyrange or directional capabilities. Compared to the system of a lot of other creatures this planet inhabits, it's a piece of crap... Thankfully we learned to circumvent it's limitations otherwise we probably would have been extinct... -- servies servies's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9496 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
If you read between the lines of the Stereophile review it is clear that he thinks the TP is as good but has to give a nod to the Ayre. WP kept the TP in his system and keeps refering to it in later reviews, eg. the oppoTP combo. The fact it is the main digital source in his system speaks for itself. WP is an established reviewer writing in an established mag, unlike the amateurish and sophmoric TNT mag and reviewer. You might try getting a sense of humor. Not a fundamentalist, I am an agnostic in all things :-) The only narrow mindedness here is yours, that is patently obvious. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] From I-Tunes (or any other store) to Music Collection... Best Practises?
pablolie;233613 Wrote: The reason I do not want to do the latter [convert to FLAC instead of MP3] is because, sometime down the line, I want to remember the quality of the source. The 192k MP3 to me is a constant reminder that, perhaps, sometimes, I should upgrade the file. If I store it as a FLAC I'll just forget... I know there are also many other ways of dealing with that consideration... I can see that argument, but what works better for me is to use the FLAC Comment tag to remind me that it comes from a lossy source. Another reason I prefer converting my few dozen iTunes lossy tracks to FLAC is that I find the FLAC/Ogg tagging much more straightforward than ID3 tags. It seems that whenever I have a tagging/slimserver problem it's with the 3% of my tracks that are MP3. YMMV -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39123 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
harmonic;233852 Wrote: i never said enything about if it sounded better then the TP I wouldn't be surprised if the transporter sounds broken in comparison, you said. That is saying something about it. It's ok to agree to disagree, but you can't have it both ways. Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz - Sony DAS-703ES DAC - Krell KAV-300i - PMC AB-1 Dell laptop - JVC UX-C30 mini system darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
servies;233853 Wrote: I think you're giving the human hearing system to much credit. It's extremely limited and it's very limited in it's capabilities of accurately processing sound. The dynamic range is pretty small as is its frequencyrange or directional capabilities. Compared to the system of a lot of other creatures this planet inhabits, it's a piece of crap... Thankfully we learned to circumvent it's limitations otherwise we probably would have been extinct... Sorry but IMHO this is nonsense. I suppose you'd apply this same philosophy to all of our senses?. And why stop there? After all, the secret of our success as a species is our brain, which is the key to making sense of our senses. You're a software engineer right? - Do you know how the brain works or how to make a computer even approximate the sophistication of the human brain? - no, thought not. Neither does anyone else at this time. You just need to face the fact that there are still more things in heaven and earth than we have dreamed about...and each day we uncover a few more. I fail to understand why you would even bother to listen to music, realising as you do that what you are hearing is so far removed from what it would sound like if only we had decent auditory systemssheesh, that must be frustrating. D'ya think those musicians thought oh well, it's the best we could do with our limited ability to hear the true majesty of what we are trying to create. Makes Beethoven look like a real loser... I am not an audiophile - My background is similar to Pat's and Robin's. I know what I like and I know what I think is better or worse. I don't expect anyone to agree with me. I don't believe that $7k cables make any sense at all - as Nick said, the best cable is NO cable!. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expensive cables ;o) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
tomjtx;233859 Wrote: If you read between the lines of the Stereophile review it is clear that he thinks the TP is as good but has to give a nod to the Ayre. WP kept the TP in his system and keeps refering to it in later reviews, eg. the oppoTP combo. The fact it is the main digital source in his system speaks for itself. WP is an established reviewer writing in an established mag, unlike the amateurish and sophmoric TNT mag and reviewer. You might try getting a sense of humor. Not a fundamentalist, I am an agnostic in all things :-) The only narrow mindedness here is yours, that is patently obvious. The norwegin reviewer is just as professional about it as WP. The last thing i am is narrow minded , if you knew the true meanning of the word you would know. I dont care who or have the created it i only care about have it sounds. Thats OPEN minded, you cant improve apone the ttasnporter thats narrow minded ; ) Well your jokes really issent that funny , the are more like lame sad and ignorent. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
darrenyeats;233872 Wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if the transporter sounds broken in comparison, you said. That is saying something about it. It's ok to agree to disagree, but you can't have it both ways. Darren Assuming somthing is not the same as concluding somthing. I really hope its not that much better then my transporter , but based apone what people outside this forum say about the transporter i wouldent be suprised if it sounds ALOT better. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
harmonic;233877 Wrote: The norwegin reviewer is just as professional about it as WP. The last thing i am is narrow minded , if you knew the true meanning of the word you would know. I dont care who or have the created it i only care about have it sounds. Thats OPEN minded, you cant improve apone the transporter thats narrow minded ; ) Well your jokes really issent that funny , the are more like lame sad and ignorent. I never said the TP couldn't be improved upon. I have questioned modders simply throwing parts at it and assuming that will make it better. Careful RD will no doubt usher in the TP2 someday. You are either unable to understand my previous posts or you are purposely obfuscating. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
harmonic;233882 Wrote: but based apone what people outside this forum say about the transporter i wouldent be suprised if it sounds ALOT better. You've done it again, you used the phrase I wouldn't be surprised... to say something provocative and yet without really saying it. It doesn't help me understand anything. Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz - Sony DAS-703ES DAC - Krell KAV-300i - PMC AB-1 Dell laptop - JVC UX-C30 mini system darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
tomjtx;233885 Wrote: I never said the TP couldn't be improved upon. I have questioned modders simply throwing parts at it and assuming that will make it better. Careful RD will no doubt usher in the TP2 someday. You are either unable to understand my previous posts or you are purposely obfuscating. I was not refering to eny modders or have to improve the transporter, that is a intirely different thread. I dont see what relevance this have with the klimax DS vs the transporter . I pointed out that the Klimax DS are build to a xtremly high kvality and this justifies its price more , and that based apone have good the rest of the klimax series sounds, it would be very odd if the klimax DS dossent sound better then the transporter. Then what you did was saying this But if you really want to spend money for the sake of spending money I will be happy to sell you a great mod. for 1,000.00 paypal to me I will PM you a proprietary code I alone have developed. All you need to do is say this code out loud to your system and you will perceive an ENORMOUS difference. Thats just being a idiot -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
darrenyeats;233893 Wrote: You've done it again, you used the phrase I wouldn't be surprised... to say something provocative and yet without really saying it. It doesn't help me understand anything. Darren If you hear that ferrari is coming out with a new top model car , issent it alright to say that you wouldent be suprised if it drives xtremly good ? -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
just look at the picture and see what my pint is. http://www.flatearth.jp/mgf/archives/2007/10/linn_klimax_ds.shtml -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
Harmonic, Is it your assertion that more aluminum makes it sound better? Or is it the color of the solder mask? Or the size of the connectors? I think there are far more important factors than those, and by merely comparing pictures of circuit boards I can not make a meaningful assessment of how something will sound. Please explain how you are able to do so. Sean -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
I was refering to tom and others that said that the klimax ds price compared to what you get. Solid Alu casing of this caliber is very expensiv to make and will have a positiv influence on the sound. (Interresting thourgt a Transporter reference version where it was build into a similar caseing.) I dont know have it sounds compared to the transporter wich is the hundred dollar questian , however based apone linns history in makeing transending sources and the first reviews and comments on its sound i know where i would put my bet in a direct comparison to the transporter. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
harmonic;233911 Wrote: Solid Alu casing of this caliber is very expensiv and will have a positiv influence on the sound. How so? And don't quote that vibration reduction malarkey. -- Mark Lanctot 'Sean Adams' Response-O-Matic checklist, patent pending!' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=200910postcount=2) Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
I realize this is a slimdevices forum , not a none biased audio forum what did i expect ? , all the bad comments about the Klimas DS are given. Transporter has one obvious big advantage and its the preamp function. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
harmonic;233911 Wrote: I dont know have it sounds compared to the transporter wich is the hundred dollar questian , however based apone linns history in makeing transending sources and the first reviews and comments on its sound i know where i would put my bet in a direct comparison a/b with the transporter . Hmmm, Speculation. What is it they say about investments? Past Performance is No Guarantee of Future Results. Assuming that audio equipment is deterministic, then what ever design and engineering approaches were taken, to yield specific performance, could be applied elsewhere. Unless you believe in magic? That said, given the price delta and ratio between the equipment under discussion, which do you think is better value? why? All, IMHO, YMMV etc etc. -- Grahame Grahame's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1200 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
harmonic;233919 Wrote: I realize this is a slimdevices forum , not a none biased audio forum what did i expect ? , all the bad comments about the Klimas DS are given. Transporter has one obvious big advantage and its the preamp function. YOU are the one who is prejudiced. You haven't even heard the thing but you're making all kinds of predictions about how it'll sound and even suggesting some pretty ridiculous reasons as to why. I think what you're hearing from the rest of us is not fanboyism, but simple skepticism. We're saying I'll believe it when I hear it. You are the one saying I already know. The problem is it's probably not worth $20K to most of us just to find out. It's certainly not worth it to me. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
harmonic;233900 Wrote: I was not refering to eny modders or have to improve the transporter, that is a intirely different thread. I dont see what relevance this have with the klimax DS vs the transporter . Thats just being a idiot No, harmonic, that is being sarcastic. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
harmonic;233919 Wrote: all the bad comments about the Klimas DS are given. I didn't have a bad comment. Machined aluminum castings look really cool. Not $20K cool, but cool. My only comment was how will they improve the sound? You appear to know before you hear it. -- Mark Lanctot 'Sean Adams' Response-O-Matic checklist, patent pending!' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=200910postcount=2) Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
dcote;231480 Wrote: ... at the end of day, unfortunately, not the quality of the box counts, it is how good the marketing works which decides who wins a market or not. :-( Mind you, the product still has to get the job done. Marketing relies on some substance for long lasting success. I don't think the battle is over. Audiophiles love to cross shop. Announcements like Linn's will indirectly benefit Logitech-SlimDevices, irrespective of the reviewer's bias or ignorance. People lookig at Linn's product in all likelihood *will* find the Transporter and compare. Does the Logitech-Slimdevices brand name hold enough cred for the more snobbish audiophiles? We shall see - *that* is what the marketing should be about, about uttterly disruptive price-performace-usability aspects. This might be a phase where the old brands fade and new contenders emerge, we shall see. HiFi publications are notorious for this type of crap, making it look like some product is groundbreaking in every other review... -- pablolie pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
servies wrote: Robin Bowes;233798 Wrote: Human ears, or more accurately, the human hearing system is an amazing piece of kit and is capable of doing things computers can only dream of. That is why I am sceptical about the we can measure more than we can hear approach. R. I think you're giving the human hearing system to much credit. It's extremely limited and it's very limited in it's capabilities of accurately processing sound. The dynamic range is pretty small as is its frequencyrange or directional capabilities. Compared to the system of a lot of other creatures this planet inhabits, it's a piece of crap... Thankfully we learned to circumvent it's limitations otherwise we probably would have been extinct... I think this illustrates perfectly the concept of measuring the right thing. The power of the human auditory system is not defined by its frequency response, dynamic range, or directional capabilities. The brain overcomes all these supposed flaws to produce a marvellous piece of equipment. R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
harmonic;233911 Wrote: I was refering to what tom and others said about the klimax ds price compared to what you get. You are misunderstanding my point , my point was that it is expensiv to make. Solid Alu casing of this caliber is very expensiv and will have a positiv influence on the sound. (Interresting thourgt a Transporter reference version where it was build into a similar caseing.) I dont know have it sounds compared to the transporter wich is the hundred dollar questian , however based apone linns history in makeing transending sources and the first reviews and comments on its sound i know where i would put my bet in a direct comparison a/b with the transporter . Harmonic, please d/l firefox and turn on its spell checking. It's hard enough to follow your diatribe without first having to decode it. -- egd Thecus N5200PRO Transporter ATC SCA2 ATC SCM100SLAT egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
I think servies has a point, actually. What's really amazing about human hearing is our ability to process the data and extract useful information from it, not the ears themselves. One interesting thing is to estimate (using Shannon) the maximum information capacity of a human ear/brain conduit. You just need to know the bandwidth of nerve impulses and the number of nerves. I'm willing to bet the answer is far below redbook - anyone know? -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
opaqueice wrote: I think servies has a point, actually. What's really amazing about human hearing is our ability to process the data and extract useful information from it, not the ears themselves. One interesting thing is to estimate (using Shannon) the maximum information capacity of a human ear/brain conduit. You just need to know the bandwidth of nerve impulses and the number of nerves. I'm willing to bet the answer is far below redbook - anyone know? I don't know the answer, but I'll take that bet. Beer? R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
Such a fascinating debate. Engineers that need a visual representation, a test, to determine a difference, and audiophiles who supposedly can hear things that can't be tested by manufactured equipment. I guess that last sentence sounds a bit tilted and maybe that gives away my perspective. To stick my neck out, I'll share my story. I purchased a pair of ATC SCM 100 ASLT speakers and took the recommendation of a recording engineer friend that basic balanced interconnect cables were all that I needed given that the speakers are active. I purchased some Whirlwind and Monster xlr cable because they were readily available at a local store. After complaining to other recording engineer friends, it was suggested that I try Belden 1800f cable. I thought balanced interconnects are just balanced interconnects, but sure, I'll try it. To my ear it was a huge improvement. Perhaps this was moving up from inferior cable to acceptable cable or good to great. It probably depends on who you ask. Eventually I purchased an Ayre C5xe cd player and had an audio engineer friend accept receipt of it for me as he and the seller were in the same state on the East Coast. The seller mentioned a high priced pair of interconnects that he was willing to sell me for half price. I had my friend, who after thirty years in the audio engineering business, did not believe in expensive cables and felt they were snake oil compare them to his standard Belden 1800f. To my surprise and his, he preferred the expensive cable. What is even more surprising is that while I like the expensive cable between the cd player and the preamp, I prefer the Belden cable between the preamp and the speakers. So did my friend. Both cable runs are interconnects and the length to the speakers is twenty-five feet compared to three. If anything, I would think that the expensive cable should make a difference in the longer run. In addition, I eventually received a different type of Belden interconnect directly from ATC. It may be solid core as it is so stiff, or it may just be a plenum style of shielding. I can't tell and can't find it on Belden's website. To my ear it sounds different than the 1800f cable. The soundstage is slightly wider but not as tall. There is less high frequency emphasis which I believe is why it sounds shorter for lack of a better term. However, it has a weightier mid-bass that sometimes I prefer to the 1800f. On other tracks, the 1800f seems more natural. I have tried to use piano recordings as a comparison as I grew up playing on a Steinway and have some idea of what I think a piano should sound like. Then again, with all of the different microphone techniques and microphones, not to mention piano timbres and room interactions, I don't know how I could ever tell how perfect a piano reproduction is unless I had access to the recorded piano. Regardless, it is different. I spent quite a bit of time researching cable before I purchased the speakers and came to the conclusion that with so many intelligent, sophisticated, engineering types dismissing the effect of expensive cable, that it must not make any difference. I came up with my own term for snake oil, describing it to friends as audiophile pixie dust and imagined a salesperson sprinkling something over speakers and proclaiming it to make the sound better, while an unsuspecting, gullible, rich enough to not care buyer would struggle to hear a difference and in the end fall victim to the scam for whatever psychological reason. I now fall into a new category. The I have to hear it myself category. This is frustrating because it means that I can't rely on the experience of others in the way that I would like. If someone else can't tell the difference between cables, is it because there is no difference or because the resolution of their system, ears, or ability to critically listen does not allow them to hear the difference. There's no way to know. I do not mean this as an insult to anyone who has auditioned two cables and reports that they are the same. And I certainly do not mean to imply that my capability to critically listen is better than that of anyone else. Furthermore, I have never heard a $7k speaker cable. It better be amazing at that price-point. I really don't see how it is possible. But then again, with an extremely precise system and room, I can't rule out the possibility that it might make a difference. I'd have to hear it myself to make that determination. The reason I have shared my story is to help anyone out there who is struggling to determine whether there is a difference between cables. I hope that you will at least try a comparison yourself, on an accurate system, in a somewhat acoustically sound room. Listen to how many instruments you can hear on a track, how lifelike they each are, what happens to the soundstage, if anything. And I think you have to listen at louder levels, at least 85db so that you can hear the detail
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
Ok so I have some mixed feelings on this whole cable thing, I have decent cables under $100 per cable/pair or half that price. I have a lot of heartburn with all this smoke and mirrors routine for ultra expensive audio cables and now power cables are the flavor of the day. I have been to CES the last four years and have seen and listened to some amazing gear, and talked to the designers and owners of the companies. I get the The Absolute Sound, Stereo review and read like a fiend about audio on the internet. I have a decent audio system. I truly love high end audio. I write this to let everyone know I have some idea of the industry as a whole. Ok so when cables or equipment are reviewed, there are some prerequisites like you will advertise with the publication, as is seen with that companies who's equipment was just reviewed ad on the next page probably half the time. Coincedence? Things that make you go H?! Also the reviewer should have to state a few facts besides what is his test gear that he is employing this test component or cable into, like does he live in an apartment(almost always yes!).Which leads me to the next disclosure, size of room that gear is in. The enviroment of the review has a high possibility of being terrible. But I guess as long as he has a $1700 Shunyata power chord it will magically overcome all this. And finally one of the biggest disclosures these audio reviewers should have to disclose is a recent hearing test to show where their hearing is lacking, if it is. I mean Kal Ruben is how old? In your fifty's your upper frequency hearing loss can drop down to somewhere below 10,000 hz. If we knew the reviewer lived in a little crappy apartment with a tiny listening room with a flawed apartment wiring in San Francisco or L.A., and has flawed hearing(ie hearing test). How much weight would that review hold for the majority. No reviewer wants a blind a/b comparison there is nothing monitarily to gain for anyone except the buyer. I am saying maybe we should think for ourselves, and not be told what we should like from someone who might not have the creditionals -- AngorWatts AngorWatts's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can't hear the difference between lossy and lossless!
I did an accidental blind test when I first got my SB3. I was ripping my 1500+ CD collection in batches and I would listen to the CD's after they were loaded assesing the SB3's sound. Everything sounded great to me but then one batch sounded like something was 'wrong'. I looked into it and I had somehow ripped that batch to MP3 instead of FLAC by mistake. I noticed right away but I had ripped to 192kbs so at that bitrate it was probably easy to tell the difference. -- fred7 fred7's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6523 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39112 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
Will your local dealers let you take home the power cables and test them yourself? If a dealer will let you take home a power conditioner and all the cables you need to power your system with a no questions asked return policy, why not take them home and try them. Personally, I'm very surprised at what a difference power conditioning and good power cables make. But I'm not sure how good my power is to begin with (if that makes a difference), and I couldn't begin to explain why a power cable would make a difference. Nor could I tell you what brand is the best. But it makes a difference in my system that I can hear and I really appreciate. I would never go back to regular power or cables. I wholeheartedly agree with your skepticism and belief that everyone should think for oneself, and again I would add to listen as well. My neck is starting to quiver. Will _ Transporter - ATC SCA2 - ATC SCM 100 ASLT Ayre C5xe - ATC SCA2 - ATC SCM 100 ASLT AngorWatts;233968 Wrote: Ok so I have some mixed feelings on this whole cable thing, I have decent cables under $100 per cable/pair or half that price. I have a lot of heartburn with all this smoke and mirrors routine for ultra expensive audio cables and now power cables are the flavor of the day. I have been to CES the last four years and have seen and listened to some amazing gear, and talked to the designers and owners of the companies. I get the The Absolute Sound, Stereo review and read like a fiend about audio on the internet. I have a decent audio system. I truly love high end audio. I write this to let everyone know I have some idea of the industry as a whole. Ok so when cables or equipment are reviewed, there are some prerequisites like you will advertise with the publication, as is seen with that companies who's equipment was just reviewed ad on the next page probably half the time. Coincedence? Things that make you go H?! Also the reviewer should have to state a few facts besides what is his test gear that he is employing this test component or cable into, like does he live in an apartment(almost always yes!).Which leads me to the next disclosure, size of room that gear is in. The enviroment of the review has a high possibility of being terrible. But I guess as long as he has a $1700 Shunyata power chord it will magically overcome all this. And finally one of the biggest disclosures these audio reviewers should have to disclose is a recent hearing test to show where their hearing is lacking, if it is. I mean Kal Ruben is how old? In your fifty's your upper frequency hearing loss can drop down to somewhere below 10,000 hz. If we knew the reviewer lived in a little crappy apartment with a tiny listening room with a flawed apartment wiring in San Francisco or L.A., and has flawed hearing(ie hearing test). How much weight would that review hold for the majority. No reviewer wants a blind a/b comparison there is nothing monitarily to gain for anyone except the buyer. I am saying maybe we should think for ourselves, and not be told what we should like from someone who might not have the creditionals. -- musiklov3r musiklov3r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13166 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can't hear the difference between lossy and lossless!
fred7;233970 Wrote: I did an accidental blind test when I first got my SB3. I was ripping my 1500+ CD collection in batches and I would listen to the CD's after they were loaded assesing the SB3's sound. Everything sounded great to me but then one batch sounded like something was 'wrong'. I looked into it and I had somehow ripped that batch to MP3 instead of FLAC by mistake. I noticed right away but I had ripped to 192kbs so at that bitrate it was probably easy to tell the difference. 192Kb/s is obvious on a decent system. It's fine for portable and even most car systems...that was my first rip level several years ago. I moved to the highest MP3 VBR I could next (ave 250Kb/s - one notch below 320Kb/s CBR) and it sounded great, but if you listened very carefully you could pick out rough areas sometimes...only on a very good system, though. It actually bothers you much more knowing it's MP3 than actually hearing problems, though. Now I'm all FLAC. -- thomsens thomsens's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1352 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39112 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Windows media player or Itunes?
Not sure if this is the right place to ask this but, I want to rip everything to an external hard drive and if needed copy and past those music files to another. I know with Itunes, if used to rip, once you move the file either one or the complete collection, tags are gone. It seems that with WMP it will recognize the folder with music, list title and artist appropriately without having to re rip the collection again. Also seems like WMP rips quicker than Itunes. Ripping WAV in either programs. This will be my 3rd and hopefully last time ripping my collection. He yeah right:) I have a massive collection and really don't want to do it again. Thanks for any input. -- james vaughan james vaughan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13504 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39158 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Windows media player or Itunes?
I use dBpoweramp. I prefert the control, as well as the fact it performs binary checks and presents them. WMP and ITunes supposedly do those too, but keep them as hidden background tasks. With ITunes I greatly dislike the amount of contro, it tries to exercise. Hands off my media. With WMp I dislike its lack of scalability and clunky interfaces. I prefer specialized programms for the different tasks, and I am still looking for a truly great program to burn CDs from my media collection. -- pablolie pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39158 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
Robin Bowes;233963 Wrote: I don't know the answer, but I'll take that bet. Beer? You're on. Being an ocean apart we're probably both pretty safe on this one :-). Actually I'm cheating a little because I once attended a seminar on human vision, and (while I don't recall the details) I do remember that even the optic nerve bundle didn't have that much capacity. The really fascinating thing was that while they hadn't managed to crack the compression scheme (which is crucial if you want to make artificial eyes and help the blind), they did find that whatever it is, it comes very close to saturating Shannon - i.e., it's the most efficient possible compression scheme. Evolution is amazing... -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
musiklov3r;233966 Wrote: And I think you have to listen at louder levels, at least 85db so that you can hear the detail of the recording and experience any distortion or coloration that might mask detail. Sometimes just hitting a higher volume level will reveal a cable's harshness on transients. Do that for a couple of hours a day and you won't have to worry about detail any more. -- Mark Lanctot 'Sean Adams' Response-O-Matic checklist, patent pending!' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=200910postcount=2) Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
Mark Lanctot;233987 Wrote: Do that for a couple of hours a day and you won't have to worry about detail any more. Unless of course one is already at that level, then I vote for 90db. Makes for a more revealing system and bankbook. . -- haunyack Transporter - BK R200.2 - Vandersteen 3A Signature. (Listening room) SB3 (RWA analog) - Rotel RB1070 - BW Matrix 805. (Bedroom) Fridgidare - Mirror Pond pale ale - easy chair w/remote - irritated neighbors. haunyack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9721 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which integrated Amp should I get?
I am a recent discoverer of Bel Canto digital amps. I recently bought some second hand EVo6 Gen2s. My next target is the the perfect small amp for my worlds largest distributed alarm clock. I am betting on the 'Bel Canto e.One S300i' (http://www.belcantodesign.com/prod_eOneS300i.html). Digital amp, 150wpc, integrated preamp, and an amazingly compact 8.5 W x 12.5 D x 3 H. If they are as good as my EVo6s this will be my perfect SB3 amp... -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel RB890-BW Matrix 805 SB3-Pioneer VSX-49TXi-Mirage OM7+C2+R2 ReadyNAS NV+ Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39126 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
