Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter MODS - Part II
in my experience, cables CAN make a difference - although it is not huge. other parts within the equipent (like the source or speakers) have a greater impact... just try and find out for yourself... -- truckfighters | Transporter | REDGUM RGASil OCC Silver Interconnects | REDGUM RGi120ENR AMP | REDGUM LS Cable | BW Nautilus 802 D | Live musicians at the end of my room! truckfighters's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7852 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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OK well I'll submit myself to some BS critizm in hopes to get some positive feedback. Hell, I'd love to own a pair of Wilsons. Damn fine speakers. Gentlemen who OWN the Modwright TP - quick question about power cables that some claim make no difference in sound.. Have you tried or use other power cables in your evaluation? Just curious, and delusional of course. Hell, the whole family, friends and next door neighbor too! Must be the water (or wine). I'm on the fence about ready to 'teeter' over to a Modwright TP purchase. I own a self modded SB3. I haven't an outboard DAC nor do I own a good 2 channel pre so it seems that I either spring for the ModWright on what might be an excellent marriage with my NuForces, or the outboard DAC and preamp route. Thanks in advance! -- NoFlyZone NoFlyZone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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ted_b - your TP looks so awesome and I bet it also sounds quite different than the stock one. really looking forward when you post your findings in some days... cheers truckfighters -- truckfighters | Transporter | REDGUM RGASil OCC Silver Interconnects | REDGUM RGi120ENR AMP | REDGUM LS Cable | BW Nautilus 802 D | Live musicians at the end of my room! truckfighters's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7852 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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very cool looking. Are you liking the sound? Any chance to A/B it with a stock one? -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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tomjtx;238875 Wrote: very cool looking. Are you liking the sound? Any chance to A/B it with a stock one? Thanks. I'm liking the sound so far, but part of that is buyers remorse-prime (justifying your purchase immediately with heaps of praise)...and part of it is the Transporter itself. The real eval will come when the tube analog stage settles in. I listened for an hour last night and was transfixed; I left it on all night and will listen again tonight. I don't have a stock TP to a/b it. I had one before I went with the modded Redwine SB3 and an Ack Dack, but it's too long ago. I may go through the hassle of a/b'ing against my SB3 combo, but to do it with any validity I need to swap cabling, level set within 1 db, etc. Not tonight, that's for sure. And the Sb3 doesn't do 24/96 so it's less tempting to a/b anyway. Ted -- ted_b ted_b's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3289 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Look what showed up in my music room today. !!! :) My Modwright Transporter is S/N #003. I'll post impressions later on, once it settles in, but sounds incredible already (1 hr old). +---+ |Filename: ModwrightTransporter1.jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3611| +---+ -- ted_b ted_b's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3289 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Just to give you an idea of the extensive nature of the Modwright TP before and after +---+ |Filename: modtpinside.JPG | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3615| +---+ -- ted_b ted_b's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3289 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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There is something alluring about a device with a couple of wireless-G antennae sticking up behind some warm, glowing, 1950's vacuum tubes... So how does it sound? -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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ted_b;238834 Wrote: Just to give you an idea of the extensive nature of the Modwright TP before and after It's a good thing Sean left all that extra room in the box! ;-) -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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I have little difficulty understanding Harmonics post, even though they lack proper spelling and punctuation (and I dont think it is related to his English skills his posts in Danish on Danish forums have to some degree the same faults. So either he doesnt check for spelling, he cannot spell properly, or he is possibly dyslexic does really it matter, if you can understand him?). Could you/we please concentrate on the contents? That also goes for of topic comments on Wilson speakers or comments like Danes tend to be quite well educated (Try reading Italians or Americans instead of Danes. It has a condescending ring to it to my ears, though probably unintented). Kind regards Soeren -- marlowe marlowe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12398 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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emilioforte;229953 Wrote: Just to echo Tom, and because I didn't pick up on a particular point this earlier, these posts are almost certainly a bad joke. Two close friends of ours are Danish and I've been to Copenhagen and beyond at least a dozen times. I have never heard someone, and especially a Dane, as Dane's tend to be quite well educated, speak like this or write like this. It's just not real. My mother tongue, by the way, is not English. Mr. Harmonic is just a garden-variety troll. Back to real life. Just checked into this forum with a couple of questions and now leaving for good. For the record, I wonder how long it will be before we have a dozen or more Slim-type products? It's not hard to imagine someone filling the gap between the $300 SB and the $2,000 Transporter. You can be disrespectfull all you want, my spelling has nothing to do with what the topic is about. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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emilioforte;229953 Wrote: Mr. Harmonic is just a garden-variety troll. Does that make him a gnome? -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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harmonic wrote: tomjtx;229653 Wrote: Thank you for enlightening me , harmonic. If I am understanded you inglish write. your don like me amplifire and teh spekr I litsen wit. I an tinking to zell all, baseded on top to you advize. BTW, I have many european friends who have read your posts and think your bad english is a put on. I agree, why don't you drop the act. If you cant understand my english its you who needs to get your english skills refresh. You seem to be the only person i know of that cant understand my english writing maybe you need new glasses ? or a life ? Guys (both of you), can you please give it a rest? Thanks. R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Just thinking about a cheap mod Anybody tried to replace these JRC 5534s with lets say Philips NE5534A? -- Wombat Transporter - monoblocks - self-made speakers Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Just to echo Tom, and because I didn't pick up on a particular point this earlier, these posts are almost certainly a bad joke. Two close friends of ours are Danish and I've been to Copenhagen and beyond at least a dozen times. I have never heard someone, and especially a Dane, as Dane's tend to be quite well educated, speak like this or write like this. It's just not real. My mother tongue, by the way, is not English. Mr. Harmonic is just a garden-variety troll. Back to real life. Just checked into this forum with a couple of questions and now leaving for good. For the record, I wonder how long it will be before we have a dozen or more Slim-type products? It's not hard to imagine someone filling the gap between the $300 SB and the $2,000 Transporter. harmonic;229412 Wrote: You know tom (the forums owen littel evolution and progress killer ) ice power is a danish product that have been around for many many years a and i have heard and tested just about every modul and incarnation of amplifire the make ,infact i have a amp sitting here with 1000 asp moduls and oversized powersupplyes if this is what you use as a reference sorry then you dont have a clue what hifi is . You also use Wilson speakers right ? most overpriced overrated speakers in the universe. -- emilioforte emilioforte's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13255 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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tomjtx;229278 Wrote: Well, you are right about the dead part at least :-) You know tom (the forums owen littel evolution and progress killer ) ice power is a danish product that have been around for many many years a and i have heard and tested just about every modul and incarnation of amplifire the make ,infact i have a amp sitting here with 1000 asp moduls and oversized powersupplyes if this is what you use as a reference sorry then you dont have a clue what hifi is . You also use Wilson speakers right ? most overpriced overrated speakers in the universe. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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harmonic;229412 Wrote: You know tom (the forums owen littel evolution and progress killer ) ice power is a danish product that have been around for many many years a and i have heard and tested just about every modul and incarnation of amplifire the make ,infact i have a amp sitting here with 1000 asp moduls and oversized powersupplyes if this is what you use as a reference sorry then you dont have a clue what hifi is . You also use Wilson speakers right ? most overpriced overrated speakers in the universe. Thank you for enlightening me , harmonic. If I am understanded you inglish write. your don like me amplifire and teh spekr I litsen wit. I an tinking to zell all, baseded on top to you advize. BTW, I have many european friends who have read your posts and think your bad english is a put on. I agree, why don't you drop the act. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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I get pretty great results just running my analog output through one of Musical Fidelity's tube buffer stages. (You have to use unbalanced, since the tube buffers don't have connectors for balanced. ) -- dantheman dantheman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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harmonic;224665 Wrote: The very point about moddifing audio components is that its here you can get real improvments, cables platforms and so on will only make the sound different. Those that have been exposed to mods done right will have a hard time coping with some of the skeeptics in here. Have do a company improve a component ? the moddifiy it in house. This thread has no menning because every thing will be shot down with cynical comments based apone no real or very limited knowledge on the subject. I thing im done on this forum eny thing that have just the slightes to do with improving sound seem to be like blasfami. Has it occurred to anyone that these posts could be a joke...? ; ) -- emilioforte emilioforte's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13255 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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emilioforte;228583 Wrote: Has it occurred to anyone that these posts could be a joke...? ; ) I am dead serious -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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ted_b;224931 Wrote: Let the flames continue. Interesting datapoint, I checked all the postings since Ted wrote this, and there are zero flames. Please Ted, when you get it, let us know how you like it, and the red wine versus single malt question -- pfarrell Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html pfarrell's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=200 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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I wasn't suggesting that RC removes the need for good source+amp+speakers - in fact the opposite is true IMHO. Good RC means you get closer to the actual sound of what was intended by the recording artist. You may or may not like the result - it can vary from album to album. There is NO (non-RC) speaker currently manufactured that can produce a flat freq and impulse response in every untreated room (as heard at the listening position). Some designs get closer than others in some rooms. RC allows any speaker to work to the best of its ability (good or bad) in almost any room. Sorry we seem to have gone OT - my fault. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expensive cables ;o) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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My definition of RC is well-placed bass traps, diffusors and physical room treatments, not necessarily going the electronic route. I've spent a lot of time and money getting my room out of the way so as to take advanatge of technology (speakers, amps, etc.) as it comes along. So when folks say, treat the room first, I wholeheartedly agree. That'a one more reason why I'm excited about the Modwright Transporter. I'll be able to hear the changes (notice I didn't say improvements) that it brings, which, in my room, should improve things a lot! :) Ted -- ted_b ted_b's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3289 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Phil Leigh;225225 Wrote: Agreed - bass traps etc can be worthwhile but with generally lowish WAF. However IME RC can outperform room treatments. The two can be combined (eg use RC for the low end which is usually the biggest problem area in most rooms). I have never found RC to suck the life out of the music. You do have to turn up the volume though! No WAF issues here. My music room is dedicated...my cave. It is 15.25 x 23 x 10 and like most medium-to-large rooms needs treatments. My only issue with RC (I had a DEQX) is that it tends to want to tackle lf frequency dips (nulls) by trying to fill them in. That's a no-no IMO, and usually a black hole that ends up mucking up headroom/dynamics and decay/ringing. If RC is used to fix lf peaks (and is very useful at doing that for multiple locations), then I'm onboard. -- ted_b ted_b's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3289 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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I'm very interested in the dipole (specifically the Linkwitz Labs Orions) approach to avoiding boomy bass and indeed to aiding room-friendliness in general. Anyone with any experience of these active loudspeakers? I hear only good things. Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 with Inguz - Sony DAS-703ES DAC - Krell KAV-300i - PMC AB-1 (home-made room treatments and supports) darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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darrenyeats;225241 Wrote: I'm very interested in the dipole (specifically the Linkwitz Labs Orions) approach to avoiding boomy bass and indeed to aiding room-friendliness in general. Anyone with any experience of these active loudspeakers? I hear only good things. Darren Dr Linkwitz is an opinionated, but well-thought-of, gentleman. He will answer your questions if you call him, and his site is full of very interesting info. There is a forum attached to his site as well, although quite a bit more biased than most mfg forums, IMO (and I think it's only because it's not well publicized and therefore visited by mostly Linkwitz users). If you live on the left coast, go visit him or his rental property, and listen. His website also has a list of folks throughout the country who were willing, at one time or another, to have you come hear their speakers. I like his ideas, especailly as they pertain to active crossover/amplification, and given the right room, they should marry up well with an SB3/Transporter solution IMHO. -- ted_b ted_b's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3289 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Just scanning through this thread late in the game and I'm laughing my butt off because it's a perfect example of: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38041 -- Videodrome Two-channel System: SB3 - Behringer SRC2496 - Musiland MD-10 DAC; Outlaw 970 Pre/Pro; McCormack DNA-125 amplifier; Quad 11L speakers; Sota Sapphire ttbl. w/ Grado Ref. Platinum Cartridge - Rolls Bellari VP-129 tube phono stage; Marantz 10b; Nakamichi RX505; Cables Used: DH Labs, Van den Hul, Distech, Monster, many more. Videodrome's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11727 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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ted_b;225232 Wrote: No WAF issues here. My music room is dedicated...my cave. It is 15.25 x 23 x 10 and like most medium-to-large rooms needs treatments. My only issue with RC (I had a DEQX) is that it tends to want to tackle lf frequency dips (nulls) by trying to fill them in. That's a no-no IMO, and usually a black hole that ends up mucking up headroom/dynamics and decay/ringing. If RC is used to fix lf peaks (and is very useful at doing that for multiple locations), then I'm onboard. That's why the volume needs turning up...because you need to lower the overall level thus providing adequate headroom to avoid any boosts into clipping. Usually 6dB overall cut is enough. When done in 24-bit there is no loss of resolution (this is how TACT works - not sure about other implementtions - but it looks like the Inguz plugin does something similar. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expensive cables ;o) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Many on this Slim Devices fanboy forum have said that adding tubes to the TP would simply cause more distortion and a decrease in sound quality. If that is the case why do different capacitors sound different and cause their own form of coloration. You can roll capacitors just like you roll tubes. I imagine that you could change some of the TP's caps to let's say v-caps and the sound might be significantly improved. BTW, how many of the regular fanboys are paid by Slim Devices and/or get free gear? -- rajacat rajacat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4156 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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rajacat;225280 Wrote: BTW, how many of the regular fanboys are paid by Slim Devices and/or get free gear? None. However, some of our most significant CODE contributors have gotten gear to test with or develop for. -= Jim -- JimC well, she wasn't all of that, but she sure was some of that. -- BKlaas' college buddy JimC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Phil Leigh;225289 Wrote: Not really correct. Most have said that adding tubes would change the sound - not IMPROVE it. Whether one prefers the sound is a matter of opinion. Same applies for capacitors and resistors (to a lesser extent). What's with all this fanboy nonsense. Are you a modboy ? I very occassionly check into this forum to see what's happening on the Slim Devices front. I noticed that there is a hardcore group of regular posters who really jump on anyone who criticizes a Slim Device product or has the nerve to suggest possible improvements. As a group they are an intolerant cult so the moniker fanboy is actually a fairly innocuous, albeit not entirely accurate word to describe this bunch. Why can't tubes improve the sound? When you say IMPROVE the sound, isn't this also subjective. Why do some devices that have great measurements sound sterile, mechanical and not like live performances. Not everything can be measured with present day equipment. -- rajacat rajacat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4156 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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rajacat;225301 Wrote: I very occassionly check into this forum to see what's happening on the Slim Devices front. I noticed that there is a hardcore group of regular posters who really jump on anyone who criticizes a Slim Device product or has the nerve to suggest possible improvements. As a group they are an intolerant cult so the moniker fanboy is actually a fairly innocuous, albeit not entirely accurate word to describe this bunch. Why can't tubes improve the sound? When you say IMPROVE the sound, isn't this also subjective. Why do some devices that have great measurements sound sterile, mechanical and not like live performances. Not everything can be measured with present day equipment. My point was that anyone is free to say that any mod did or didn't change the sound...and if it did change then to their ears it was or wasn't an improvement. Categoric statements that a particular mod is an improvement are treated with caution... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expensive cables ;o) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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To me this whole tube vs ss, or empirical improvement vs personal change is like saying that a pair of prescription glasses don't work for everybody...well...of course not. We're all trying to have 20/20 vision, and if we have certain things in our systems that cause our room/system/cables/source/malt scotch combo to get one way or the other (nearsighted, farsighted, astigmatic, etc.), then we tend to favor certain remedies or sounds or in this analogy, curved glass prescriptions, to fix it or make it seem more natural or neutral. If I had a very warm sounding lower powered SET amp, with farily efficient speakers, I would not likely add more tubes into the signal path, especially at the source (my tubed Transporter mod) or the noise floor, balance and overall dynaimcs of the system would likely suffer. Of ourse, if I'm living in an untreated glass walled room, maybe I need that distortion to counteract the damn windows!! One cannot sit here and proclaim something a standardized unequivocal improvement unless one compares it to others in the same system. Yes, a scrathed lp that skips is the exception, but no one would debate that. I know Dan Wright's Modwright house sound very well, and know my room and current setup very well. I will be astounded if the modded TP is not an improvement to my setupbut I will never say it is to yours, having not heard yours, and having not understood the synergies and limitations you deal with. -- ted_b ted_b's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3289 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Phil Leigh;225327 Wrote: The little red light on the TACT is rather useful..(when set correctly) I agree. When it's set to 0db, and you see it flashing, you should lower the SB's digital output. -- CPC CPC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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rajacat;225301 Wrote: I very occassionly check into this forum to see what's happening on the Slim Devices front. I noticed that there is a hardcore group of regular posters who really jump on anyone who criticizes a Slim Device product or has the nerve to suggest possible improvements. I am not one of these persons jumping on everyone making mods. Me myself often did and do mods or part changes to my gear. I know that these changes in sound often come from a type of distortion or added noise that makes the resulting sound more pleasent to me. Most of these improvements are really a matter of taste, even just switching OP-Amps is a big matter of taste. What makes me wonder is that i nearly never see any of these even serious modders offers measurements how these mods do better. -- Wombat Transporter - monoblocks - self-made speakers Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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rajacat;225301 Wrote: I very occassionly check into this forum to see what's happening on the Slim Devices front. I noticed that there is a hardcore group of regular posters who really jump on anyone who criticizes a Slim Device product or has the nerve to suggest possible improvements. As a group they are an intolerant cult so the moniker fanboy is actually a fairly innocuous, albeit not entirely accurate word to describe this bunch. Why can't tubes improve the sound? When you say IMPROVE the sound, isn't this also subjective. Why do some devices that have great measurements sound sterile, mechanical and not like live performances. Not everything can be measured with present day equipment. Your way off base here , Raj. No one says the TP can't be changed through mods. The quibble is with assuming this will be an improvement and the use of the word improvement in an absolute sense. Notice no one has criticized ted-B for ordering the modwright TP. He knows the Modwright sound and has a basis to assume he will like Dan's mods. I almost was the first to send Dan a TP to mod. The offer was 1/2 price on the mods for being the guinni pig. Not knowing Dan's product as well as Ted-B I couldn't make that leap of faith. Also , listening more to TP I just didn't think there was enough room for improvement to warrant the risk of modding. I've AB'd the TP with the Ayre universal player and I didn't like the Ayre better. So shoot me cause I'm happy with the product. And ,no , I don't get free productdarn it I do love tubes and have a tube pre amp but I would never say tubes are better, they are different and sometimes I like that difference. And yes, improvement can be subjective...that has been the point of many of the posts. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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tomjtx;224924 Wrote: Yawn...there is nothing new here. Gee, I guess if the Linn community says something it must be true. I have a full blown LP12 BTW, but I prefer the graham tone arm and armboard to the Linn arm, heresy I know, I'm almost not allowed in the Linn shop( actually just a joke , they like the Graham better as well) The source 1st argument has been around a long time and is still controversial. I've seen Ivor at several Linn demos here in the past, he is a good salesman :-) SOTA digital sources have become cheaper and more widespread as have amps. It seems to make sense to allocate more money to speakers and room treatment to wring that last bit of improvement. Which returns us to the OT: Why spend 2,000.00 on a mod when that expenditure will likely be more effective elsewhere? Hi, I have just had a demo of the Klimax DS - it was up against CD12 playing same recording via NAS. Utterly astounding. You have to hear it to beleive it. You can read Prof. Hawksfords assement in HiFi world. In my humble opinion - world beater -- KLIMAX KLIMAX's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13032 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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KLIMAX;225045 Wrote: Hi, I have just had a demo of the Klimax DS - it was up against CD12 playing same recording via NAS. Utterly astounding. You have to hear it to beleive it. You can read Prof. Hawksfords assement in HiFi world. In my humble opinion - world beater I have heard the sondek cd12 in a famila setup many times and have never heard a more truly musical source. Its like it was ingered with a hart. My comments reflects enyone that have tried, There is so much more to the equation then bitperfect. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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KLIMAX;225045 Wrote: Hi, I have just had a demo of the Klimax DS - it was up against CD12 playing same recording via NAS. Utterly astounding. You have to hear it to beleive it. You can read Prof. Hawksfords assement in HiFi world. In my humble opinion - world beater I have heard the sondek cd12 in a famila setup many times and have never heard a more truly musical source. Its like it was ingered with a hart. The klimax ds got to be one hell of a source to beat the sondek and based apone that review it beat it handely. There is so much more to the equation then bitperfect. Linn have alwasy understood that musicality starts at the source , and its also my findings. However i only need a transporter so the transporter is enourgh. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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I used to own a CD12. £12,000. I sold it. I have used a pile of Linn gear since 1982. I know what it sounds like. They came to my house and installed one of the first Aktiv systems in the world...when I blew a tweeter they came back (from Scotland) and spent most of the evening at my house listening to vinyl. It was great fun. The SB3+good DAC beats it. To MY ears - I prefer the SB3+DAC. I will listen to the Klimax DS. The Klimax amps are simply amazing - at an amazing price unfortunately. The Linn Artikulat and Akkurate speaker systems are also superb to my ears - but then I do like the Linn sound. However I would add that no mod on the planet is anything even remotely close to getting RC sorted out first. I'm amazed that Linn don't do something on that front. Once you have RC sorted then some mods make sense. That's my position and I ain't changing it. YMMV. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expensive cables ;o) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Well, I'm not a tube nay sayer either. I have a tube pre amp (sonic frontiers) and a SS pre amp (jeff rowland) I have a vintage Macintosh tube tuner and amp. I love the sound of tubes sometimes. I haven't listened to that gear for awhile but I like it when I do. When I use coloration with respect to tubes I don't mean it pejoratively. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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harmonic wrote: The very point about moddifing audio components is that its here you can get real improvments, cables platforms and so on will only make the sound different. Those that have been exposed to mods done right will have a hard time coping with some of the skeeptics in here. Have do a company improve a component ? the moddifiy it in house. This thread has no menning because every thing will be shot down with cynical comments based apone no real or very limited knowledge on the subject. I thing im done on this forum eny thing that have just the slightes to do with improving sound seem to be like blasfami. As Pat said, you seem to be confusing changing with improving. You also seem to be spitting your dummy when others don't play along and fit into your cosy view of the world. Please turn the light off on the way out. R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Robin Bowes;224748 Wrote: harmonic wrote: The very point about moddifing audio components is that its here you can get real improvments, cables platforms and so on will only make the sound different. Those that have been exposed to mods done right will have a hard time coping with some of the skeeptics in here. Have do a company improve a component ? the moddifiy it in house. This thread has no menning because every thing will be shot down with cynical comments based apone no real or very limited knowledge on the subject. I thing im done on this forum eny thing that have just the slightes to do with improving sound seem to be like blasfami. As Pat said, you seem to be confusing changing with improving. You also seem to be spitting your dummy when others don't play along and fit into your cosy view of the world. Please turn the light off on the way out. R. NO incorrect. Hearing only changes is one thing, its what beginners mistake for improvments , its somthing you hear when swapping interconnects and speaker cables. Mods dont right will remove the last traces of noise and glare making the sound more real enhancing stageing ,focus ,and dynamics it is a intirely other thing and is most surthenly an improvement. . When you are a serious audiophil and have been for many years and have owen it all and have extensivly experimented with cables power conditioners ,tweaks ,,and mods with a skeeptic aprotch, its hard not taking it personal when somone that clearly havent got enourg audio experince to conclued enything tells you that its all a ilusion in the most arrogant way possible. I sure diddent beleive in mods until i got exposed to amd 98% that have tried it loves it but there are always the X factor when a mod dossent help or the system will maskee the improvments. Alot of people drops there expensiv cables and power conditioners after the gain real experince . Pat you do have a very good point , why mod when somthing better comes along. Linn will release a 15.000 euro reference streaming devices called the Klimax DS im pretty sure it will be impossible to mod that one. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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truckfighters;224671 Wrote: I have no experience with tube sound yet. You are correct, it is really silly to send a TP to the US and have it ripped apart - no way back then. That's a key point in modding. The issue about this mod is that it is likely to have quite a dramatic change on the sound - it's a whole new output stage. Even if it is better (in however that may be defined), *you* may not like it as much. However, you could get a TP sent direct , and when it's sent to you it would be 'returned from repair' so may not be subject to VAT. Total cost $4k = £2k (2.9k?), and with the current retail price of the Transporter, I can't see that you would get less than that for a Modwright modded one. truckfighters;224671 Wrote: I have read a lot about the SB+ and other SB mods and I think there is no doubt about it, that the SB could be or was already greatly improved. So why shouldn't this be possible for the TP? It should be possible, and of course it is possible. However, much of the difference between the SB3 and the TP is in what makes the latter 'audiophile'. If you're going to take this out anyway, why not just start with the SB3, as that's a lot cheaper! £1,500 is a lot to pay for 24/96, an extra screen and a flashy knob ;) Adam -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ 'Last.fm group: people who don't listen to any of last.fm's top artists' (http://www.last.fm/group/People+who+don%27t+listen+to+any+of+last.fm%27s+top+artists) SB+, EAR 859, Living Voice Auditorium II plus some other stuff SB3, Shek d2, Ming-Da MC84-C, Harbeth HL-P3ES adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Has enyone got a oppinion on removing the wireless card in the transporter when using cable connection only ? -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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harmonic;224759 Wrote: NO incorrect. Hearing only changes is one thing, its what beginners mistake for improvments , its somthing you hear when swapping interconnects and speaker cables. Mods dont right will remove the last traces of noise and glare making the sound more real enhancing stageing ,focus ,and dynamics it is a intirely other thing and is most surthenly an improvement. . When you are a serious audiophil and have been mfor many years and have owen it all and have extensivly experimented with cables power conditioners ,tweaks ,,and mods with a skeeptic aprotch, its hard not taking it personal when somone that clearly havent got enourg audio experince to conclued enything tells you that its all a ilusion in the most arrogant way possible. I sure diddent beleive in mods until i got exposed to it and 98% that have tried it loves it but there are always the X factor when a mod dossent help or the system will maskee the improvments or simply wrong synagi. Alot of people drops there expensiv cables and power conditioners after the gain real experince . Pat you do have a very good point , why mod when somthing better comes along. Linn will release a 15.000 euro reference streaming devices called the Klimax DS im pretty sure it will be impossible to mod that one. You are assuming people on these forums who disagree with you are not experienced, serious audiophiles which would be incorrect. I would expect most people here are like me ,with 30+ years in this pursuit. Quite enough time to develop a healthy skepticism. BTW, weren't you leaving? -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Has enyone got a oppinion on removing the wireless card in the transporter when using cable connection only ? no. as far as I know the wifi-card is powered down when using ethernet cable. but yes, I sometimes (late at night) also think, that there are subtle differences in sound if the TP display is on or completely off. I happen to live in a very very quite environment so I can hear all small things coming from my very revealing speakers... -- truckfighters | Transporter | REDGUM RGASil OCC Silver Interconnects | REDGUM RGi120ENR AMP | REDGUM LS Cable | BW Nautilus 802 D | Live musicians at the end of my room! truckfighters's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7852 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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tomjtx;224822 Wrote: You are assuming people on these forums who disagree with you are not experienced, serious audiophiles which would be incorrect. I would expect most people here are like me ,with 30+ years in this pursuit. Quite enough time to develop a healthy skepticism. BTW, weren't you leaving? 30 years in this pursuit and you end up with a icepower amp. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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harmonic;224759 Wrote: Linn will release a 15.000 euro reference streaming devices called the Klimax DS im pretty sure it will be impossible to mod that one. I predict somebody will be able to improve the sound for around 15.000 euro. Why do you hold a (as yet) vapor product in such regard that it cannot be subjected to your own arguments? -- EFP EFP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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harmonic;224833 Wrote: 30 years in this pursuit and you end up with a icepower amp. Thank you for the compliment. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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opaqueice;224701 Wrote: You're right, it's not because they sound warm. It's because they're resistant to the electromagnetic pulse that results from a a nuclear attack. So if you value maximum survivability in your hifi, good argument. Although radiation sickness does tend to decrease enjoyment of good quality audio... They also don't suffer from random chip death effect that may be caused by gamma radiation, hence the space applications. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expensive cables ;o) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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tomjtx;224735 Wrote: Well, I'm not a tube nay sayer either. I have a tube pre amp (sonic frontiers) and a SS pre amp (jeff rowland) I have a vintage Macintosh tube tuner and amp. I love the sound of tubes sometimes. I haven't listened to that gear for awhile but I like it when I do. When I use coloration with respect to tubes I don't mean it pejoratively. Well said - I totally agree. I use (some) tubes because I like the sound. I don't pretend this is because they are technically better (they aren't) - merely that I like them. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expensive cables ;o) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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tomjtx;224859 Wrote: Yes, I'm thinking about putting in the tube preamp for some listening fun. I'd be interested in your experiences. I'm thinking about a tube driver for my Stax earspeakers... that old valve+electrostatic synergy thing... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expensive cables ;o) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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EFP;224836 Wrote: I predict somebody will be able to improve the sound for around 15.000 euro. Why do you hold a (as yet) vapor product in such regard that it cannot be subjected to your own arguments? edit: or did I just miss out on a bit of sarcasm..? got to love the cepro review of the klimax and how it sets a previously unattainable performance standard by retrieving more information from the network than any other Digital Music Player. must have one of those new fangled quantum retanglers. Linn is well known for there superior sources . The have always pretty much lead the way regarding sources. The where infact the first company that made a geniun hifi audio source with the sondek lp12 vinyl player back in the 60s. The invendted the Source First principle wich means the source is the most important aspect of audio chain and take it very seriously. And the always show this with customer demonstrations , there slogan is if it dossent sound better its not better plain and simple. The top of the line product range the klimax series is what the call no compromises products the have huge resurces and and 40 years off techinical backgrund in creating sources. In the linn comunity there are people that use the transporter and is considdered equal to the unidisk 2.1. As with all roles there are exceptions and the klimax ds im pretty sure is as good as it can be. But it better be at that price. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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harmonic;224911 Wrote: Linn is well known for there superior sources . The have always pretty much lead the way regarding sources. The where infact the first company that made a geniun hifi audio source with the sondek lp12 vinyl player back in the 60s. The invendted the Source First principle wich means the source is the most important aspect of audio chain and take it very seriously. And the always show this with customer demonstrations , there slogan is if it dossent sound better its not better plain and simple. The top of the line product range the klimax series is what the call no compromises products the have huge resurces and and 40 years off techinical backgrund in creating sources. In the linn comunity there are people that use the transporter and is considdered equal to the unidisk 2.1. As with all roles there are exceptions and the klimax ds im pretty sure is as good as it can be. But it better be at that price. Yawn...there is nothing new here. Gee, I guess if the Linn community says something it must be true. I have a full blown LP12 BTW, but I prefer the graham tone arm and armboard to the Linn arm, heresy I know, I'm almost not allowed in the Linn shop( actually just a joke , they like the Graham better as well) The source 1st argument has been around a long time and is still controversial. I've seen Ivor at several Linn demos here in the past, he is a good salesman :-) SOTA digital sources have become cheaper and more widespread as have amps. It seems to make sense to allocate more money to speakers and room treatment to wring that last bit of improvement. Which returns us to the OT: Why spend 2,000.00 on a mod when that expenditure will likely be more effective elsewhere? -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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tomjtx;224924 Wrote: Why spend 2,000.00 on a mod when that expenditure will likely be more effective elsewhere? I'm still not sure why you keep hammering at the more effective elsewhere argument. Clearly mods are a luxury for people looking for SOTA performance. Just accept that some people can afford mods without giving up buying CDs or room treatment or front end or speakers? This is the Audiophile Forum. Audiophiles are freaks. Many of them wealthy freaks. For fun, check out the short film about Greek Audiophiles. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs1aUws0Lrs -- barty barty's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10121 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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I am likely Dan's first or second customer for the TP mod. It arrived there last week and I have my deposit in. He'll start on it next week, so when it gets back here and breaks in I'll post my comments. Realize that I already own his Denon 3910 Platinum modded player (category killer in universals, especially with 6900's) and his brand new LS 36.5 tubed preamp. I am replacing a Bent TAP preamp (eval'd an ASL Flora, etc. during the process). You need to know that I've owned Dan's SL 9.0 SE preamp and his Sony 999ES Platinum mod player in the past. My feedback will likely be met with howls of derisive laughter as I can easily be typed a Modwright bigot, but realistically I love his stuff cuz it's incredibly good. And I'm not the only one. Read Wayne Donnelly's take on the 3910 (Superior Audio - Enjoy The Music) or Srjan's take on the LS 36.5 (6moons), etc. Lots of great Modwright reviews out there, and not because Dan spends thousands with the mags and e-zines in ads or anything...he doesn't. These reviews are based on great word of mouth that forced some mainstream (in our world) looks at this stuff. Anyway, I am committed to the Modwright house sound, especially as he voices the TP mod with the LS 36.5 tubed pre. It all flows through my McCormack DNA-500, a nice yin/yang balance. Let the flames continue. Ted -- ted_b ted_b's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3289 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Ted, you certainly won't be flamed from me :-) I know Dan has a great rep. Since you already like the Modwright house sound I bet you will be happy with the mod. I think people get into arguments when they talk about better as opposed to different. I think it was here that someone posted info on the different ways people hear which could explain why some are more drawn to some instruments rather than others. That might be a reason some prefer SS and others tubes It would be interesting if you could get a stock TP to compare to your modded one. If you do it would be interesting to see your posts on that. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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ted_b wrote: Anyway, I am committed to the Modwright house sound, especially as he voices the TP mod with the LS 36.5 tubed pre. It all flows through my McCormack DNA-500, a nice yin/yang balance. Let the flames continue. I would not expect any flames. You are saying you like it, and think its worth it. Fine by me. Audiophiles are all about personal choice and taste. The negative comments were skepticism that one could predict in general if the ModWright stuff is generally wonderful. But you're not saying that, you are saying that Dan does good work, and that you like it. I have no problem at all with that. I would like to know if it sounds better while you are drinking a single malt scotch, or a nice deep red wine. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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The Modwright mod completely rebuilds the output stage, so will certainly change the sound. I see no reason why it should not be possible to improve on the stock unit - IMO a valve output stage makes good sense. The problem with mods for me is that lack of ability to test what it does. You send your TP off, it comes back in a few weeks - can you really remember the sound? Aren't you just so glad to get it back? There are very few ways of doing good testing, and very few instances of people posting such test results for others to see. But there's no point discussing that again - the religious nature of mods is not worth going over, let's consider what the OP wants, as far as possible. So the Modwright just adds an output stage for $2k. This seems expensive to me. Their mods to CD players often include all sorts of power supplies, expensive-sounding cables and stuff, as well as this output stage and come in at the same kinda price. Compare Patrick Dixon's SB+ (which I own). This also gives you a new output stage, but also reboxes the device and gives it new PSUs in a separate box too - for the same price, which includes the 'donor' SB3. I suspect that the price is what it is because people expect to pay that sort of amount for TP mods. But I've not heard it... Adam -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ 'Last.fm group: people who don't listen to any of last.fm's top artists' (http://www.last.fm/group/People+who+don%27t+listen+to+any+of+last.fm%27s+top+artists) SB+, EAR 859, Living Voice Auditorium II plus some other stuff SB3, Shek d2, Ming-Da MC84-C, Harbeth HL-P3ES adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter MODS - Part II
Before dropping $2,000 you could try digital-domain effects with the Inguz plug-in - http://inguzaudio.com/usage/plugin/ -- amcluesent amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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aha. nobody heard his class-a tube stages for other players before? as far as I read on the web his mods are highly regarded to sound damn good. I just want a one-box solution and that is transporter. I have my denon 3910 connected via optical + my PC. I don't want any other tube preamp but you are right, I would not want to have my transporter modded before I hear some very positive feedback about the mod. the inguz room correction plugs-in will also work with the tube-stage. so I will have to wait until the first reviews will come up... thanks so far for your input -- truckfighters | Transporter | REDGUM RGASil OCC Silver Interconnects | REDGUM RGi120ENR AMP | REDGUM LS Cable | BW Nautilus 802 D | Live musicians at the end of my room! truckfighters's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7852 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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If the transporter are so good why do people what to mod it ? If slimddevices was given the task of creating a cost no objeects reference devices like that transporter, based apone the transporter but where the price diddnt matter would the end up with the stock transporter ? -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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truckfighters, I have been watching the thread over on audiocircle discussing this modificaiton with interest. I am in the wait and see camp though, I'm sure a few will go for it and post their findings. I anticipate we'll get a shootout in due time with the stock vs. mod'd transporter. Re: value of the mods, hard to argue versus his other players, which range around ~$4k complete. This modification has both his tube output stage and tube rectified PS all mounted in the transporter case. I too have a simple system (source-amp-spkrs) that I want to keep that way and adding the modwright sound (i previously owned a SWL9.0SE) is very tempting. -- 04dgmsilv 04dgmsilv's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3133 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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harmonic;224568 Wrote: If the transporter are so good why do people what to mod it ? The Spanish have an answer for that question: De ilusion tan bien se vive -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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tomjtx;224589 Wrote: harmonic;224568 Wrote: If the transporter are so good why do people what to mod it ? The Spanish have an answer for that question: De ilusion tan bien se vive Are i see bravo you have really figured the whole thing out. I have read some pretty lame and ignorant things on hifi forums but yours take the price. If you can build a moon rocket you can sure as hell also improve the performans of the transporter. Maybe the one you tested diddent sound eny better then the stock one, but moddifing audio equiptment is not a ilusion eny one that says that is a igorent fool. For some reason the human brain finds it easyer to beleive that a hamster size cable with big boxes that cost 100,000 dollars can bring massiv improvments. But ironicly dossent beleive in that changing parts with better parts within the source itsself can improve the sound. And justifys it with calling itan ilusion. Its alsmost funny. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Hey harmonic - If you don't have anything useful to add to the discussion - just hold your tongue. I for one have had both a Modwright-modded CD player as well as his SWL 9.0 preamp. Both VERY good. I have no doubt that he will make real improvements on the sound of the Transporter. For some it will be worth it. For those than immediately downplay the effect (for the good) of tubes in a system just haven't heard it implemented well. No audiophile speak here... To many, they just sound more natural or real -- barty barty's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10121 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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It is probably safe to say the modwright TP will sound different because it uses tubes. whether or not it sounds better is a matter of preference . If you prefer tubes you might think it is better , if you prefer SS you might not like the mods. As one poster pointed out, why not try a tube premp. One could also try a tube buffer like the Musical Fidelity for much less money. I am not knocking modwriht, they have an excellent rep and design their own, well regarded tube gear. Harmonic, you should learn Spanish before you go off half cocked and embarass yourself again. Ilusion means hope as well as illusion. The saying could describe the audiophile condition. As soon as we hear one improvement we want to hear another and we hope to acieve that one way or the other. The ilusion side would be our ability to fool ourselves into thinking a difference exists when ,in fact, it might not. I can overlook your mispelling because english is not your 1st language and it is easy to mispell in english even when it is your first language :-) I find it harder to overlook your inability to form a coherent thought and your subsequent lapse into name calling. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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barty;224613 Wrote: Hey harmonic - If you don't have anything useful to add to the discussion - just hold your tongue. I for one have had both a Modwright-modded CD player as well as his SWL 9.0 preamp. Both VERY good. I have no doubt that he will make real improvements on the sound of the Transporter. For some it will be worth it. For those than immediately downplay the effect (for the good) of tubes in a system just haven't heard it implemented well. No audiophile speak here... To many, they just sound more natural or real Fair enough - if you like the sound of tubes (and many do) that's great. But...not everyone does (apart from guitar players)and too many tubes can over egg the cake. Please don't refer to this as an improvement - it is an effect or treatment. There's nothing wrong with that. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expensive cables ;o) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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tomjtx;224617 Wrote: It is probably safe to say the modwright TP will sound different because it uses tubes. whether or not it sounds better is a matter of preference . If you prefer tubes you might think it is better , if you prefer SS you might not like the mods. As one poster pointed out, why not try a tube premp. One could also try a tube buffer like the Musical Fidelity for much less money. I am not knocking modwright, they have an excellent rep and design their own, well regarded tube gear. Harmonic, you should learn Spanish before you go off half cocked and embarass yourself again. Ilusion means hope as well as illusion. The saying could describe the audiophile condition. As soon as we hear one improvement we want to hear another and we hope to achieve that one way or the other. The ilusion side would be our ability to fool ourselves into thinking a difference exists when ,in fact, it might not. I can overlook your mispelling because english is not your 1st language and it is easy to mispell in english even when it is your first language :-) I find it harder to overlook your inability to form a coherent thought and your subsequent lapse into name calling. Its really very simple can or can you not improve the preformans of a hifi component ?. You seem to take great pride in ripping apart what im saying . In demark the phenomenon has a name its called Anti democrazy , i have studid democracy . Its very bad for progress you see . But the thread is about moddifing the transporter, not about how the mind can play tricks on you . Eny audiophil worth his salt knows this very well, and know have it works, why keep talking about it. Why dont you demo a reference audio mods transporter vs you stock one also ? -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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why is it always that my threads turn out into battles? guys - PLEASE - this thread is only about modding the transporter and what you people think about the sound of it after the modification. I want to hear voices of people who really for instance heard tube components of modwright before. Or can recommend any other good modded TP. I don't want any off-topic talk - please! thank you. the transporter is awesome - no doubt. but I surely believe that someone can even raise the bar. the one-box solution must be kept, at least in my case. -- truckfighters | Transporter | REDGUM RGASil OCC Silver Interconnects | REDGUM RGi120ENR AMP | REDGUM LS Cable | BW Nautilus 802 D | Live musicians at the end of my room! truckfighters's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7852 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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truckfighters;224651 Wrote: why is it always that my threads turn out into battles? guys - PLEASE - this thread is only about modding the transporter and what you people think about the sound of it after the modification. I want to hear voices of people who really for instance heard tube components of modwright before. Or can recommend any other good modded TP. I don't want any off-topic talk - please! thank you. the transporter is awesome - no doubt. but I surely believe that someone can even raise the bar. the one-box solution must be kept, at least in my case. Raise the bar in what respect? As a digital source it's already great. Strapping a couple of triodes across the output stage isn't going to transform it beyond all recognition. IF I were you I'd focus on spending some serious money on speakers and room correction - that will give you a MUCH bigger bang for your buck! -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expensive cables ;o) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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truckfighters;224651 Wrote: why is it always that my threads turn out into battles? Why did you post here, then? The mod was only announced within the last couple of days, so it's not likely that anyone has heard the results. Post to AudioCircle if you want fanboy opinions from pretend audiophiles that have no ears. All the reviews will be positive, everyone will love having spent the money, blah, blah, blah. There will be a waiting list for the mod, so reserve your spot now. In 3 months there will be a Mark II (Deluxe, Gold, Platinum, Ultimate) version of the mod that the modder (even if he says so himself) is far superior. But don't despair, you can send your recently modded unit back to him for the new mod, which will almost certainly be bettered in another three months by the Mark III mods. It's always the same. Everyone is happy happy. It's totally mind boggling. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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truckfighters wrote: why is it always that my threads turn out into battles? guys - PLEASE - this thread is only about modding the transporter and what you people think about the sound of it after the modification. I want to hear voices of people who really for instance heard tube components of modwright before. Or can recommend any other good modded TP. You can just listen for any postings if anyone springs for the mod. The comments seem to be saying that it makes little sense to other Audiophiles. Which is weird itself, since audiophiles go for some really strange things. Mega dollar cables, magic rocks to hold cables, etc. are accepted in the audiophile world, so something that makes little sense would raise flags for me. The modwright hack will clearly change the sound, whether it is good or bad is a personal question, its an effect, and no other person except you an say whether or not it is a good/pleasing effect. Even if someone had it and loved it, that would not be good enough to make me run out to get it. The advantage of a tube buffer/preamp is that it won't destroy your $2000 US Transporter, which is a £2000 item in the UK. While folks who love the new sound will not call it 'destroy', if you don't like it, you are not only out the $2000 for the mod, you are out the 2K for the original transporter. It might be a very good mod, but I'd be amazed if they sell more than five of them before the Transporter is replaced by something cooler and more powerful. I don't see any point in asking the forum for only experience with it. YMMV, etc. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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I think this will be my last post on this forum , its turned very cynical. The very point about moddifing audio components is that its here you can get real improvments, cables platforms and so on will only make the sound dufferent. Have do a company improve a component ? the moddifiy it . -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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harmonic;224660 Wrote: I think this will be my last post on this forum , its turned very cynical. The very point about moddifing audio components is that its here you can get real improvments, cables platforms and so on will only make the sound dufferent. Have do a company improve a component ? the moddifiy it . There are so many logical flaws in the above post that it is almost self refuting:-) Harmonic, I think you will enjoy AC. You should find others of your mind set who won't challenge you to think clearly. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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The very point about moddifing audio components is that its here you can get real improvments, cables platforms and so on will only make the sound different. Those that have been exposed to mods done right will have a hard time coping with some of the skeeptics in here. Have do a company improve a component ? the moddifiy it in house. This thread has no menning because every thing will be shot down with cynical comments based apone no real or very limited knowledge on the subject. I thing im done on this forum eny thing that have just the slightes to do with improving sound seem to be like blasfami. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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tomjtx;224662 Wrote: There are so many logical flaws in the above post that it is almost self refuting:-) Harmonic, I think you will enjoy AC. You should find others of your mind set who won't challenge you to think clearly. Logical flaws pleas explain ? You like to provoke i see its nice sitting safe infront of you screen pissing people of. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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harmonic wrote: Logical flaws pleas explain ? I am not tomjtx, I didn't write it, but you seem to have the concepts of 'improvement' confused with 'change'. It is trivial to change/modify a component and make the sound change. That is not at all the same as an improvement. Some improvements stand up to hard engineering, involving frequency response, phase distortion, etc. Some are more subjective, and cover qualities that engineers can't measure. If there are no measured improvements, you have to work a whole lot harder to convince people that your change is an improvement. When you can measure what you are speaking about, and express it in numbers, you know something about it; but when you cannot express it in numbers, your knowledge is of a meager and unsatisfactory kind. It may be the beginning of knowledge, but you have scarcely, in your thoughts, advanced to the stage of science. Popular Lectures and Addresses, Lord (William Thompson) Kelvin. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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I have no experience with tube sound yet. You are correct, it is really silly to send a TP to the US and have it ripped apart - no way back then. Don't get me wrong. I love the transporter for it's functionality and the sound (+ of course the looks :). I can listen for hours and days without getting tired of the sound. It is really involving but still I would like it to be a bit more on the warm side of sound. I don't understand why the tube modded TP should be cut in it's frequenzy response range. There is a modwright tube preamp with these specs: Tube Complement: (2) 5687 tubes. Gain: ~15dB. Input Impedance: 50Kohm. Output Impedance: ~600ohm. Frequency Response: 17Hz 100Khz +/-1dB Noise Level: -122dB. noise level and the response range is fairly decent I would say (although I haven't seen any curve...) why I started this thread? I thought some of you might be interested. I have read a lot about the SB+ and other SB mods and I think there is no doubt about it, that the SB could be or was already greatly improved. So why shouldn't this be possible for the TP? -- truckfighters | Transporter | REDGUM RGASil OCC Silver Interconnects | REDGUM RGi120ENR AMP | REDGUM LS Cable | BW Nautilus 802 D | Live musicians at the end of my room! truckfighters's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7852 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Pat Farrell;224669 Wrote: harmonic wrote: Logical flaws pleas explain ? I am not tomjtx, I didn't write it, but you seem to have the concepts of 'improvement' confused with 'change'. It is trivial to change/modify a component and make the sound change. That is not at all the same as an improvement. Some improvements stand up to hard engineering, involving frequency response, phase distortion, etc. Some are more subjective, and cover qualities that engineers can't measure. If there are no measured improvements, you have to work a whole lot harder to convince people that your change is an improvement. When you can measure what you are speaking about, and express it in numbers, you know something about it; but when you cannot express it in numbers, your knowledge is of a meager and unsatisfactory kind. It may be the beginning of knowledge, but you have scarcely, in your thoughts, advanced to the stage of science. Popular Lectures and Addresses, Lord (William Thompson) Kelvin. Hmmm okay Well i dont mean change the word change is when you comepare cables removing glare and glassyness resulting in more real sound is and improvment. Audio is tricky Som people dont hear improvments with enything , not even even roomcorrection . Some mods can be measrued like noise. My point is saying that you can not improve the sound of the transporter is like saying you cant improve the sound of a digital source . -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter MODS - Part II
No one has said the TP couldn't be improved. It may have been said it's unlikely. Some, me included, think that it represents current SOTA and it would take a lot of time and solid engineering to possibly improve on it. The improvment would likely be small and I would be skeptical that a modder would be able to do that. ModWright has had the TP only for a few months. He made an offer that the 1st to send him a TP would get the mods a 1/2 price. I think this was about 3 months ago. Dan of modwright will do a great job of producing the modwright tube sound in the TP and, if you like that. it will be worth the money. But this is not an improvement, It is a coloration. That is fine, but let's be clear with our language. His TP will be different and if that sonic signature appeals to you, great. But it is not an improvement, it is not better, just different. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter MODS - Part II
truckfighters;224488 Wrote: hi there, as some might remember, my first thread about good transporter MODS turned out into something nobody wanted. I'm having a bad case of deja vu here. truckfighters;224488 Wrote: the earlier mentioned tube stage mod for transporter is available now so I am pretty much wondering if anybody living in the us will be able to hear it / buy it soon and might post some findings. since I live in germany, I would be quite happy to hear some reviews before I send my transporter to the US for having it modded by modwright. I think it's great you're taking a cautious approach before sending your TP anywhere. You might find that you might get more improvement if you spent your hard-earned money in other areas. e.g. room, loudspeakers, room correction and if they are all sorted, amplification. The Audio Critic guys have made my blood boil on so many occasions. But the more I learn, the more I head *toward* their way of thinking. I can see you don't lean that way, so I'm not going to criticise. But I will share my own thoughts, and maybe it will help. :-) For example, I wondered at one time why the pro audio industry likes active loudspeakers. Was it for the convenience of amp and speaker in the same package? Wrong. Active amplification is normally bi-amped or tri-amped. That means you have line-level or digital cross-overs which work better than one amp trying to drive a complex, difficult load (classic hi-fi loudspeaker with crossovers). Why spend $100k on a system designed on flawed principles? Isn't it best to get the architecture right first? I wondered why the pro-audio wasn't afraid to use correction like room correction or equalisation (once they have optimised the listening space as much as possible). Was it because they were lazy and didn't have equipment with tonal accuracy like hi-end gear? Wrong. It's because a flat frequency response is one of the totally necessary ingredients of accurate reproduction! A lot of what we do in high-end doesn't make sense. I decided to take a step back and re-evaluate the big picture. I am still doing my research, which is why I have spent no significant money on my bad hi-fi habit lately. Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 - Sony DAS-703ES DAC - Krell KAV-300i - PMC AB-1 (home-made room treatments and supports) darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter MODS - Part II
Whoa! There for a minute I thought for sure I was reading AC... Mods are what they are... they modify the equipment, they modify the sound, they modify your wallet. In my experience, generally all for the better. Are mods cost-effective? Not often. If/when you sell, you rarely get a reasonable return on your investment. But mods can make a very positive difference and ain't that what this hobby is all about? If you're looking at Transporter mods, also consider Aberdeen. In my experience, albeit not with the Transporter itself, Anthony can work magic with his mods. -- mdconnelly Mike mdconnelly's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10312 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter MODS - Part II
One problem I see here is that too many of you who are quick to poo-poo mods are holding up the stock Transporter sound as something sacred and/or correct. All it is is the house sound. It's what Slim Devices came up with at their price/profit point. I have one. It is an excellent neutral sound. For the tube naysayers, I'm betting you've never lived with a good modern tube rig. It's many people's natural instinct to feel it is antiquated technology. But with modern capacitors and transformers, tube amps can be world-class with none of the faults associated with early designs. Remember, the tube is still one of the most linear amplification devices known and is still used in numerous military and satellite technologies. And believe me, they don't use them because they sound warm As for the measurement crowd, all I can say is if you can hear a difference and you can't measure it, then you're measuring the wrong thing. -- barty barty's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10121 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter MODS - Part II
barty wrote: For the tube naysayers, I haven't noticed any tube naysayers. Specifically, I haven't seen anyone say that tubes are good or bad, just that they are colored. But with modern capacitors and transformers, tube amps can be world-class with none of the faults associated with early designs. Remember, the tube is still one of the most linear amplification devices known and is still used in numerous military and satellite technologies. Satellite in space? Love a cite. Weight is critical in space, much more so than even size. Tubes are big, the trannies are huge and heavy. The military uses them because they don't suffer the same susceptibility to disruption in the case of a nuclear blast's EMI. Good audio transformers are really expensive, easily near $100 each cost, which turns into a grand per channel retail cost. Good tube rigs can sound wonderful, but just because it has a tube or two, does not mean that sounds good. Causality again. There is little chance that a $1000 stereo tube amp is anything close to linear over 20-20kHz. The pro audio world is flooded with low end preamps and effects that are all digital with a 12ax7 added to make it sound like ideal tubes. Doesn't happen, but does sell a lot of gear. As for the measurement crowd, all I can say is if you can hear a difference and you can't measure it, then you're measuring the wrong thing. I sort of agree with this. But the problem is that no one can show the engineers what to measure that makes the sound change. And it has to be causal to be believed, not accidental. I do agree that there can be things that impact sound that are currently not measured. In general, engineers build test tools to measure what they believe are important metrics. What is measured changes as the engineers get more knowledgeable. This is why I posted the quote from Lord Kelvin, who the scientific community named the temperature scale for. In the 70s, all receivers measured the same, and so all the magazine reviewers said they all sounded the same. It nearly killed HiFi. It is fairly clear now that intermodulation distortion at frequencies above the standard 20-20kHz can have audible impact in the audible range. It wasn't measured in the last century. Of course, there was next to no signal up there, all the mics, preamps, tape recorders, etc. were bandpass limited. And most of the equalization used in studios really trashes phase relationships. We are just now learning how to measure the impact of phase. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter MODS - Part II
barty;224693 Wrote: For the tube naysayers, I'm betting you've never lived with a good modern tube rig. It's many people's natural instinct to feel it is antiquated technology. But with modern capacitors and transformers, tube amps can be world-class with none of the faults associated with early designs. Remember, the tube is still one of the most linear amplification devices known and is still used in numerous military and satellite technologies. And believe me, they don't use them because they sound warm You're right, it's not because they sound warm. It's because they're resistant to the electromagnetic pulse that results from a a nuclear attack. So if you value maximum survivability in your hifi, good argument. Although radiation sickness does tend to decrease enjoyment of just about anything... -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter MODS - Part II
Pat, I think that saying tubes color the sound is rather pejorative in the audiophile world. Tubes sound different. I'll back down from saying better, because that is in the ear of the listener. I'll counter that transistors sound colored to me because they don't reproduce the sound of natural materials (woodwinds, guitars etc.) as well as well-designed tube amps. Also, this being an audiophile forum, the cost and weight of materials such as transformers is really secondary to achieving great sound. Read up on travelling wave tube amplifiers and their use. I am certainly no expert, but I don't believe immunity from electromagnetic pulses is the only reason why tubes have persisted in these applications. http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1985RCARv..46..484W Now right back atcha, do you have a citation for your assertion that there are no linear tube amps under $1000? As for Pro Audio, you can throw away your Sweetwater or AMS catalog. Every serious studio is using tube microphones and preamps. Not because they distort nice like a guitar amp circuit but because they sound best. Back to the Transporter mod issue, though, I won't be modding mine any time soon because I am happy with the sound. Going through my tube rig. -- barty barty's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10121 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter MODS - Part II
barty wrote: I think that saying tubes color the sound is rather pejorative in the audiophile world. Tubes sound different. I'll back down from saying better, because that is in the ear of the listener. I'll counter that transistors sound colored to me because they don't reproduce the sound of natural materials (woodwinds, guitars etc.) as well as well-designed tube amps. Also, this being an audiophile forum, the cost and weight of materials such as transformers is really secondary to achieving great sound. Agree that in the home, the weight is not important. In satellites, it sure is. The problem with cost is that you have to make trade-offs. Would you rather have 200 more CD's? or a component that costs $2000 more? Its not for me to decide for you, but its a real world constraint. Except for the folks who love the stuff reviewed in The Absolute Sound, where $50K for speakers is not high end. The recording and reproduction of acoustic guitars is a real challenge. On this, I agree with TAS' stated goal, sound of real instruments in real rooms. But most of what I listen to is jazz, bluegrass, folk, and vocals, which are really not intended to be realistic as a chamber group is. Now right back atcha, do you have a citation for your assertion that there are no linear tube amps under $1000? Not handy. But look at any Stereophile review, and you'll see lots of roll off at both ends. Folks like tube amps tend to match them with horns or other very efficient speakers. And they tend to not listen to pipe organ works. Look at the real prices for serious tube amps, Conrad Johnson, McIntosh, etc. They are way over a grand. I'm not saying folks can't like, enjoy or prefer the sound of a $1000 Chinese tube amp. They can sound very nice. But they are not linear. As for Pro Audio, you can throw away your Sweetwater or AMS catalog. Every serious studio is using tube microphones and preamps. Not because they distort nice like a guitar amp circuit but because they sound best. Sorry, don't agree. First, serious studios tend to have SSL or Neve consoles. the first two letters in SSL stands for Solid State. Neve channels are discrete transistors. Tube mics, like the Neumann M50, M49, etc. are colored. They sound best for some tracks, but they are not accurate. There is no standard studio setup, the engineer and producer decide what they want it to sound like. The most popular serious mic is probably the Neumann U87, which is not a tube mic. Actually, a lot of recording is done with dymanic and ribbon mics, in addition to all the small and large diameter condenser mics. A huge number of tracks are recorded using Shure SM57 mics, which cost $80 retail. They are not advertised and have no sex appeal for the pro audio folks, but they actually are widely used. Nearly every photo of a talk radio host shows him/her with a EV RE20 mic. Dymanic, costs about $600. You have to think that Rush and others can afford anything they want. They don't use tubed mics. It is very dangerous to make broad statements such as Every serious studio is using tube microphones and preamps. First, I know it is not true in every professional studio that I've been in, so counter examples are trivial and disprove your claim. Second, it would be impossible to prove as you state it. You'd have to visit every studio. Not going to happen. Its a logic fallacy waiting to be crushed. Back to the Transporter mod issue, though, I won't be modding mine any time soon because I am happy with the sound. Going through my tube rig. Which as I stated way up thread, makes more sense to me. You can use your tube amp/pre, and keep the Transporter intact. If you decide you don't like the Transporter, or need the Transporter 3, it will have a much higher resale value if it hasn't been modified. But its a personal decision, forum opinions can't help such a decision. I'd rather have 200 more CDs. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter MODS - Part II
hi there, as some might remember, my first thread about good transporter MODS turned out into something nobody wanted. so here - after a while - I start a new thread about that topic. the earlier mentioned tube stage mod for transporter is available now so I am pretty much wondering if anybody living in the us will be able to hear it / buy it soon and might post some findings. since I live in germany, I would be quite happy to hear some reviews before I send my transporter to the US for having it modded by modwright. so here's the info about the first TUBE STAGE mod for slim devices transporter: http://www.modwright.com/products/index.php?product_id=28 cheers truckfighters -- truckfighters | Transporter | REDGUM RGASil OCC Silver Interconnects | REDGUM RGi120ENR AMP | REDGUM LS Cable | BW Nautilus 802 D | Live musicians at the end of my room! truckfighters's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7852 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter MODS - Part II
$2000 to stick some tubes into the output stage? Man, there are suckers and then there are SUCKERS. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter MODS - Part II
truckfighters wrote: the earlier mentioned tube stage mod for transporter is available now so I am pretty much wondering if anybody living in the us will be able If you want some tube warmth why not just get a tube'd preamp or use a tubed amp? You can get them for a lot less than two grand, and if you decide you don't like the sound, just unplug it. Hacking up a Transporter to replace Sean's engineered analog unit for some other one makes no sense to me. IMHO, YMMV, etc Tube warmth is just second/fourth/sixth order harmonic distortion, and lots of roll off at the top and bottom of the audio band. With a little compression if you hit it hard. Sounds great on my Fender amp driven by my Gibson ES335. The proper word is effect Its a sound modification effect. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter MODS - Part II
Think of all the music you could buy with 2,000.00 Why do you think the TP can be significantly improved upon. Have you heard something better? If you have, why not just buy it. I heard the 6,000.00 Ayre in my system, it is fantastic, it is as good as the TP...not better -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
