Re: Rescue Help in PA
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Re: Rescue help needed in PA
Rescue help needed for a 7yr. old male TDI BMD by the name of Echo. His owner goes out of town 3-4x per yr and the petsitter situation is not working out. If anyone in the Bethlehem, PA area or vicinity can take care of him while they are away, please let me know. The dog needs a fenced in area and is great with other animals and ofcourse people. The owner thinks he misses doing Therapy work and that would be a plus if he could do that as well. The owner may be willing to give him up if the right match came along. If you are interested or can help out in any way with the babysitting (they will pay) I can be e-mailed directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Marla Weinman Rescue Contact, BMDCW
Nestle and Neospora help again!
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help requested- sudden persistant conjunctivitis
Hi, I'm hoping for some help here My berner Donner is 7.5 years old and is generally very healthy. Last Tuesday night for the first time I noticed what I believe to be a conjunctivitis of his right eye. The lower lid sags down and toward the back, revealing a lot of red (swollen?) inside the lower lid. On Wednesday it seemed to look somewhat worse. I took him to the vet on Thursday and he was prescribed an ointment that we put in 4X/per day: Neo-Poly-Bac, an antibiotic with hydrocortisone. Well, now it is Saturday night and it doesn't look better, and he also has been making some strange sniffling noises (through his nose, I think) occasionally over the past few days. Also today my dog sitter, who is here when I'm at work, said she could tell his nose was bothering him. Has anyone else experienced these symptoms together? We live in California, so during this season I always consider the possibility of a foxtail playing a role here so I called the vet to ask about that possibility, but Donner is not doing any sneezingone of the classic symptoms of 'foxtail up the nose', I understand. I'd appreciate hearing from anyone who has experienced conjunctivitis in their Berner. (Fortunately, his left eye is still normal.) Thank you, Susan Wankner ( & my best friend Donner) _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
help needed
Berner L'ers..a situation has come up where a puppy is in need of being rescued quickly. BARC is involved and we are doing all we can, but we need to raise some funds, not only to get this puppy out of this place, but to take care of vet expenses and re homing cost as well. I will share specific details when I know the puppy is safe and not out of our reach, but for now, the less said the better. This is a unique situation where BARC and BARC supporters can really make a difference in the lives of the people involved and not just the puppy. If any of you are in a position to share a little support we could really use it right now! We can not accept any "loans" on this situation, we need true gifts to the cause. Thanks for all the support, now and in the past. Amy R. Kessler LionHeart Bernese BARC, Inc. 118 Lakeland Drive Mars, PA 16046 www.barcinc.com (913)837-3129
help for a non Berner Rescue Dog
Sunday I received a phone call from a shelter in the Madison, Wisconsin area about a Swiss Mountain or Berner mix they transported from southern Indiana. They either need a foster home or an experienced adoptive home. I told them the Illinois club policy was that we didn't take mixed dogs. I gave the Wisconsin rescue contact. I told them I would alert the Berner L. Alas, when the photo came through, the dog doesn't look Swiss at all. . .more Beagle. If anyone in the Madison area can be of help to these goodhearted, well-meaning people please check out the petfinder site below. Elaine Squires Secretary, BMDClub of Northeastern Illinois, Inc. Honeybear Berners. . .since 1984 Suburban Chicago ** My name is Becky Foster and I'm a volunteer with the Dearborn County Animal Shelter in southeastern Indiana. Lori Getter spoke with you on the phone today about one of our dogs - Bubba - who is part Beagle and part Swiss Mountain dog (I've attached his picture). Vicki McKune of Highway of Hope, was incredibly kind enough to rescue 8 of our shelter dogs this past week. Bubba was one of the dogs that we sent to Vicki. He's a truly beautiful dog, but he isn't working out in this current foster situation because he doesn't do very well with other male dogs. If you would be able to post some information about him on your intra-website, it would be much appreciated. We really need to get him placed very soon. His current website is http://www.petfinder.org/shelters/WI117.html";>www.petfinder.org/shelters/WI117.html Below, I will attach his temperament test review that Vicki gave him so you will get some idea what his issues are. Thank you so much, Becky Next email: BeckyI did a temperament test on Bubba today. I knew he would pass. I just wanted to see if his weak points would show. There were just small little clues that might go unnoticed. He is well mannered and very friendly, likes children, sits to be petted, lets me lift his legs, check his teeth and check out his ears. He greeted my friend with a tail wag and normal interest. He just waits for me to come out and play with him. I have a whole bag of food set out so the dogs can eat at will so he will know that he will get enough to eat. He doesn't guard his food as much now. I petted him while he was eating and he tolerated it ok but was a little watchful. He let me take his bowl and feed the other dog. Then I filled it and he went right back to it - so he is still guarding it - but this would work out in time and trust. Weak points are skin tugging lightly like another dog would do. There was another dog next to him. He had a small growl (thought the other dog was doing it) - I know he would not like it from a human either. He is aggressive with another intact male (this would not flunk him, but it would be noted on his adoption sheet here). He likes alot of attention and would be best as the only male dog and maybe one female or two. I would neuter him and then it takes 30 days for testosterone to lower (also would be noted on his sheet). And I would not let him be with a new dog owner but an experienced dog owner would be fine. This is all I can really tell you. He is a strong dog, but would do good in a home with experienced dog people that know his weak points and work with him or avoid his high stress situations. What doesn't work here is that he is an outside dog and so is Jack. With in-home care I have only one kennel. Otherwise I would consider training him, but that would limit who I could take in that doesn't have issues. I am so sorry about this situation. I am not afraid of him or anything we are just limited on space to keep dogs separate.
Help and Suggestions needed, Long
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Re: Help from Canada?
OK, so my suggestion might not be totally on the up-and-up, but what about changing her phone number to an unlisted number? Does the "owner woman" know where these people live?? Can't help you with the breeder question. Jennifer Lennon Healthy Paws Bones & Raw Food Diet Toronto, Ontario www.healthy-paws.ca 416.691.9531 - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > ... They would like to keep her, but the actual owner, the woman with > personal problems, will not relinquish ownership. ... > ... All she knows is that she was born in Jan. 1999, that the breeder lived > in Ontario, Canada, and that this was her first litter. The dog's name is > Cassidy,
Help from Canada?
I'm hoping someone in the vast Berner network might be able to help locate an unknown Canadian breeder. How's that for an opening? A family who bought a puppy from me five years ago recently moved to Hurricane, W.Va.: not a Berner "hot spot". But about three months ago their vet saw a Berner along the road and picked it up, thinking it was their Winston. They found the owner, but she had recently placed the dog with a relative as she was having personal problems and felt she was unable to care for the dog. The relative was keeping the dog chained in the yard with very little human contact or care. So Lisa, my puppy's owner, offered to take the dog in. She has had her since then, and says that after working on socializing, she is an absolutely wonderful dog, and their whole family has fallen in love with her. They would like to keep her, but the actual owner, the woman with personal problems, will not relinquish ownership. She calls periodically to say her problems are straightening out and she wants the dog back, then several weeks will go by until she contacts them again (Lisa suspects that alcoholism is part of the problem). So what we are hoping is that someone out there might know who bred this dog, and if we can find the breeder, maybe they can persuade the owner to turn her over to this loving family. All she knows is that she was born in Jan. 1999, that the breeder lived in Ontario, Canada, and that this was her first litter. The dog's name is Cassidy, and she has not been spayed. Lisa said she is a beautiful medium-sized female with a particularly smooth and lustrous coat. So if ANYONE out there has any idea who might have bred this litter, or sold a puppy to someone in West Virginia, any help would be greatly appreciated. Joanne Prellberg Polaris Bernese Mtn. Dogs Scottsdale, AZ
Re: Dog cars- need help
Hi All, Just wanted to comment on this: " However, I have decided on the new (2004) Toyota Sienna mini-van. The passenger windows do go down, the AC is in the back, AWD is available. It is wider than most vans so could fit 2 crates side by side and still have the back seat or fold down the back seat to put another crate in. It also has good ratings (as most Toyotas do)." I actually bought one of these for my three big dogs. As much as I hate mini-vans, this one works for dogs. If you want more info, let me know Liz Murray Calgary Alberta
Re: Looking for help
I just switched my adult male from Innova to Wellness when I got the puppy. So, far so good, and it's supposedly a "better" food just like Innova. His stools are better than they've ever been. With the puppy, because they don't make a large breed formula, I give her half adult and half puppy formula. You also might want to ask your vet about a dose of Albon. That can give a good jump start on getting firmer stools out of your puppy. Laura Gumble (and the Leos in PA) > feed twice a day about two cups per meal and use a Large Breed Formula with > a marginally lower percentage of fat than adult formulas. >Some people have found Innova to be too > rich so you may have to find another brand,
Re: Looking for help
Hi Sandra -- this may sound silly, but when my older son was about 9 monoths old, and we were on vacation in the country, I was supplementing him with powdered milk diluted in water. He was happy and active, but had continuous diarrhea for which we could find no cause. Turned out the well water simply disagreed with him -- not because of any sort of microbial problem, but probably due to its unfamiliar chemistry. When we stopped making his milk with local water, everything cleared up. Have you tried feeding bottled water for a few days? At least it's a non-invasive test. Susan and Djinn and Riley
RE: Looking for help
Hi Sandra, I'm inclined to think your puppy is eating too much:-) He is a little bit heavy for his age and it is important to not overdo it. It is important to keep his diet simple and not feed unhealthy treats (no rawhides, chewie hooves etc) Grapes are not good for dogs and shouldn't be fed either fresh or as raisins. Puppies can eat themselves sick and still keep eating so feed twice a day about two cups per meal and use a Large Breed Formula with a marginally lower percentage of fat than adult formulas. You can give Lactobacillus Acidophilus which you buy at the Pharmacy or Health Food store and give two capsules, one open and one closed, with each meal until his bowel movements firm up. If you are supplementing with Vitamin C you need to limit his intake to 500mgs a day and may need to find a natural source rather than artificial. Rest his stomach for 18hours and feed boiled lean hamburger (cool overnight in the fridge and discard the cap of fat on the top) mixed with equal amounts of overcooked cheap starchy rice (NOT Uncle Ben's or other converted types), small helpings four times a day and reduce the number of times while increasing the portion size. When his BMs are looking better very slowly introduce his kibble. Some people have found Innova to be too rich so you may have to find another brand, if the diarrhea is persistant I would recommend you worm him anyway. Many times fecal tests are not positive for whip worm and if he were to have roundworm they shed eggs in cycles. Puppies should be wormed regularly until six months and then checked regularly thereafter. A three day course of Panacur repeated three days later has worked well for a few of my dogs troubled with loose BMs. Even though many people think their puppy is still hungry and needs more food it should be limited otherwise rapid weight gain and accelerated growth can exacerbate joint problems and worsen pre existing conditions and in cases of obesity may cause problems. Rose T.
Re: Looking for help
Sandy, So sorry to read you are having such a difficult time with Keoshi, your gentle bear! What a beautiful name! I would go back to basics, you have tried most things with wee pup for the diarrhea! Scrambled eggs (on the old wive's thing that eggs are binding!) Maybe even mix in some powdered arrowroot and gradually introduce more foodstuff! Most important is relax!! Wee bear will be stressed out if you are and after your recent round of vet visits would guess you are all stressed out. If Keoshi is doing well despite the diarrhea and you say is 31/2 months old and about 45 to 50 lb, then do not fret! You have checked everything out, is thriving despite this problem! If however, Keoshi is listless and with poor appetite, then that's another concern but you do not mention these symptoms in your mail! Best of luck and try that scrambled egg! Al Love, Jean, Sunny, Sim, Barney and the Longlease Gang http://bernese.biz
Looking for help
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dog cars-need help
Andrea, >> Barkley's breeder has a GMC Safari van (same as the Astro) and just loves it. It has over 100,000 miles and has only been in the >>shop for maintenance stuff. If her Safari/Astro lasts like mine did, she isn't even halfway there yet! I just last month bought a new Astro. My husband made me get it yep, no lie he said he was tired of worrying about me driving around the US in a van that had 225,000 miles on it! Now, to my way of thinking that Astro van was working just fine and after putting 201,000 miles on it myself, it fit good too! :) At about 160,000 miles I had to have a new A/C, but that was the biggest repair cost in 8 years. It is comfy, big enough to tote 4 Berners in crates and all our "stuff," has good pick up and doesn't do bad on gas. The rear air works good. I also like the cargo doors. The bench seats pop out. And I must have shorter legs than Deb as I haven't noticed the driver (me) lacking leg room. As for the 500 crates . my Berners ride comfortably in various size crates. Once upon a time, 100 years ago I learned that it was much wiser to have them crated than loose. You come to this realization after a major accident rolled my Suburban, broke out the windows and I watched my dogs running loose up, down and across I-75 traffic! Happy-to-have-a-new-Astro tailwags, Cathy Burlile Memories BMDs Springfield, TN
help! bumps
I am seeking advice from you, dear berner lovers. Our 3 year old Berner mix, Hubert, is worrying us. It all started on Wednesday, when he started severely limping in the morning. He would not walk on his right rear leg at all. He was prostrated and would not greet us as he usually does, and stayed lying all day and evening through the next morning. We lifted him to take him outside and he refused to eat. By Thursday morning he already looked better in so much as he would now put weight on his leg and the limping was improved, but he still remained prostrated and we suspected he had temperature. This morning (Friday), Hubert showed great signs of recovery and almost did not limp at all. However, we saw that he had a bump on his nose, right above the muzzle, which was bleeding. My husband took him to the vet. The vet thought the bleeding was unrelated to the previous limping we had seen. He could not find through his examination the cause of the limping but did not do or suggest x-rays. He found Hubert had some temperature (at 39.5C the standard is 38.5 and temperature is severe at 40C). He put him on a course of antibiotics (tradename apo-amoxil) and cream ( tradename Panolog) and we are waiting for the results from the blood tests. When asked, he ruled out the possibility of a tumour (which was a tremendous relief). However he was not able to further identify what may have caused this bump. At around 6 p.m. tonight, Hubert is already much more alert and almost perfectly normal, which is great; however we have noticed 3 or 4 new bumps, smaller than the one on his nose, and which are not bleeding. My husband also thinks that the bump on his nose has gotten bigger since the morning. He (Hubert, not Hubbie) also scratches his ears a lot. Any idea what this could be? Right now the two possibilities which I am thinking about most are that he may be allergic to something, in his food or outside, or that he could have had mosquito, bee or other bites. He has always received preventive treatment (tradename Sentinel) against fleas, ticks, worms and everything else. Hubert is normally fed Eukaneuba for large breeds and occasionally some other food and has never shown any signs of allergy. I guess this is already a very long question. Please let me know if you have any idea. For the record we also have a one year old berner, Charlotte, who is in perfect shape (and not pestering Hubert, for once! I guess she feels that he his sick). Thank you very much for your help. Although you may wish to post your answers to the list, which is fine, of course, I will gladly read any email sent directly to me. Véronique Marquis in Montréal, Canada (with poor Hubert and little giant Charlotte!)
RE: Dog cars- need help
I have to say my favorite dog hauling vehicle is the Lexus RX300 (and i'm on my second one -- the first one was totalled in a massive 5-car interstate accident which I walked away from without a scratch or even a bruise). This midsize SUV gets 19+ mpg (even in the city traffic) and 22 on the highway, the back seats fold completely flat allowing tons of level room for dog crates, dogs without crates, and it's relatively low to the ground (more like a van) allowing for easier access by the dogs. I can also throw my mountain bike in the back and it fits fine -- I have hauled 8 X11 foot rugs, furniture, and more stuff than you can imagine would fit from the looks of this vehicle on the outside... The Lexus dealership always gives me a free loaner (always another RX300) and they wash & vacuum my car whenever I come in for service -- I've never had to do anything other than routine maintenance -- oil changes, services and replace tires and brake pads -- this car is totally trouble free -- and with almost 80,000 miles. Roadside assistance is free and wonderful if you ever need it (like for a flat tire) The air conditioner works great (and I'm in Memphis where it will be 110 heat index today!) -- there's a back seat A/C vent to keep the canines comfy..., the stereo system is superb and the seats are so comfortable. It's more like a nice comfy car with the advantages of an SUV. It also has a quick engine that will really accelerate when you need the power. Lexus has just changed the RX for this year -- it's a little wider w/ a little more space inside the cargo area and it looks awesome. They are very reasonably priced..compared to a lot of choices out there... especially when you consider the fact that you never have to spend anything other than on routine maintenance. (Even the tires aren't expensive) I could go on and on, but visit their site and see for yourself -- better yet, go drive one!! I will always have one of these! http://www.lexus.com/models/rx/index.html Happy motoring -- and I'm so glad you're OK after the wreck, Andrea!! Jennifer Burgess Rex (BMD) and Mabel (Lab) Memphis -Original Message- From: Nancy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 4:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List Subject: Re: Dog cars- need help Hi - I have to second the 2004 Toyota Sienna minivan. The back windows go down - one of only two on the market that do. The Honda MPV's do also, but it is a smaller minivan and doesn't come in an AWD version. The Sienna's rear seat also folds into the floor - really handy when you are on the road and either need the seats or the space, and you don't have a handy spot to store. My current dogmobile is a 96 Caravan - so I know that the folding option, as odd as it may sound at first, will come in really handy. We have a loaded one on order - leather seats (easier to clean), and AWD. For some reason, here in NH, the AWD version is harder to find. Also, it is lower to the ground than an SUV - something we wanted to consider for the dogs. At 40K, it isn't cheap, but our plan is to use it until we run it into the ground, and it will last the life of our dogs. Good luck! Nancy Deb + Tom Sharlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Andrea, Sorry to hear about your accident. Hopefully everyone is OK. I am waiting for a good excuse to get rid of my VW Passat wagon to get a bigger dog vehicle. My VW has been great but I want something a bit roomier for the dogs. I do worry about them in the car not crated. In the past I was never interested in mini-vans and one reason was because the passenger windows don't go down. However, I have decided on the new (2004) Toyota Sienna mini-van. The passenger windows do go down, the AC is in the back, AWD is available. It is wider than most vans so could fit 2 crates side by side and still have the back seat or fold down the back seat to put another crate in. It also has good ratings (as most Toyotas do). Good luck finding the right vehicle. Debbie Sharlow - Original Message - From: "Andrea Stefanac" To: "Berner-L" Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 3:42 PM Subject: Dog cars- need help > Hi all, > I'm in a bit of dilemma. I was in a car accident with > my '95 Subaru Legacy wagon last week. I had one crate > that sat sideways in the very rear of the car. If all > 3 dogs went with me, one was in the crate and 2 were > loose in the folded down back seat. With now having 3 > big dogs (and one a potential show dog) and more dog > stuff to haul around, I'm in a quandry of trying to > decide what type of vehicle to get now (my car was > totalled by the insurance company). I really want All > wheel drive (AWD) or 4 wheel drive for those nasty, > muddy show parking areas. > > I'm currently looking at a used Subaru Outback b/c I >
Re: Dog cars- need help
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Re: Dog cars- need help
Hi Andrea, Sorry to hear about your accident. Hopefully everyone is OK. I am waiting for a good excuse to get rid of my VW Passat wagon to get a bigger dog vehicle. My VW has been great but I want something a bit roomier for the dogs. I do worry about them in the car not crated. In the past I was never interested in mini-vans and one reason was because the passenger windows don't go down. However, I have decided on the new (2004) Toyota Sienna mini-van. The passenger windows do go down, the AC is in the back, AWD is available. It is wider than most vans so could fit 2 crates side by side and still have the back seat or fold down the back seat to put another crate in. It also has good ratings (as most Toyotas do). Good luck finding the right vehicle. Debbie Sharlow - Original Message - From: "Andrea Stefanac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Berner-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 3:42 PM Subject: Dog cars- need help > Hi all, > I'm in a bit of dilemma. I was in a car accident with > my '95 Subaru Legacy wagon last week. I had one crate > that sat sideways in the very rear of the car. If all > 3 dogs went with me, one was in the crate and 2 were > loose in the folded down back seat. With now having 3 > big dogs (and one a potential show dog) and more dog > stuff to haul around, I'm in a quandry of trying to > decide what type of vehicle to get now (my car was > totalled by the insurance company). I really want All > wheel drive (AWD) or 4 wheel drive for those nasty, > muddy show parking areas. > > I'm currently looking at a used Subaru Outback b/c I > really liked my car and a Chevy Astro van. Barkley's > breeder has a GMC Safari van (same as the Astro) and > just loves it. It has over 100,000 miles and has only > been in the shop for maintenance stuff. Hers has barn > doors in the back and rear air conditioning which > would be a huge bonus with the dogs in addition to > easily getting at least 3 good size crates in it. I'm > trying to look down the road a bit as far as future > use of the vehicle. The Astro vans are definitely > roomier than most other mini-vans and most others > don't have AWD as an option. However according to > Consumer Reports and the Insurance Institute for > Highway Safety, the Astro/Safari have poor reliablity > and poor safety. I'm also not sure that I want to try > a big minivan everyday (or a big SUV- which hubby has > so no point buying another, we would just trade cars). > > The Outback of course has great reliablity and great > safety scores. But it has the same interior space as > my other car, which was getting a bit and that was > without the eventual grooming table, generator, blow > dryer, etc. > > Anyone have any experience with these cars (or others > to recommend?) or comments?? > > Thanks, > Andrea Stefanac > & Chance CD NDD CGC TT > & Barkley- show hopeful > Richmond, VA > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com >
Dog cars- need help
Hi all, I'm in a bit of dilemma. I was in a car accident with my '95 Subaru Legacy wagon last week. I had one crate that sat sideways in the very rear of the car. If all 3 dogs went with me, one was in the crate and 2 were loose in the folded down back seat. With now having 3 big dogs (and one a potential show dog) and more dog stuff to haul around, I'm in a quandry of trying to decide what type of vehicle to get now (my car was totalled by the insurance company). I really want All wheel drive (AWD) or 4 wheel drive for those nasty, muddy show parking areas. I'm currently looking at a used Subaru Outback b/c I really liked my car and a Chevy Astro van. Barkley's breeder has a GMC Safari van (same as the Astro) and just loves it. It has over 100,000 miles and has only been in the shop for maintenance stuff. Hers has barn doors in the back and rear air conditioning which would be a huge bonus with the dogs in addition to easily getting at least 3 good size crates in it. I'm trying to look down the road a bit as far as future use of the vehicle. The Astro vans are definitely roomier than most other mini-vans and most others don't have AWD as an option. However according to Consumer Reports and the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, the Astro/Safari have poor reliablity and poor safety. I'm also not sure that I want to try a big minivan everyday (or a big SUV- which hubby has so no point buying another, we would just trade cars). The Outback of course has great reliablity and great safety scores. But it has the same interior space as my other car, which was getting a bit and that was without the eventual grooming table, generator, blow dryer, etc. Anyone have any experience with these cars (or others to recommend?) or comments?? Thanks, Andrea Stefanac & Chance CD NDD CGC TT & Barkley- show hopeful Richmond, VA [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com
Need help in New England!
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Help our Hip Dysplasia research!
We are still trying to get DNA samples in from at least a dozen families of Bernese Mountain Dogs. We are trying to develop a DNA test which will clearly indicate the genetic status of each dog regarding hips. A breeder can use this information to breed their dog to the sire or dam that will complement their dogs' ability to produce non-dysplastic offspring. Only those breeds where we obtain sufficient DNA samples will have a chance at this test. We only have 8 families and several more where people asked for swabs kits and never returned them, even in spite of my "nag" cards. We are looking for families of Berners in which there are two or more siblings (can be from a repeat breeding) who have been diagnosed with hip dysplasia and are available for DNA sample collection. We also need DNA samples from the parents (both whenever possible - but will take one) and any unaffected littermates that we can get. DNA samples are collected by small cheek brushes which are simply returned in self-addressed, stamped envelopes. Come on folks, what we're doing for von Willebrands Disease we can do for hips. Cheryl Hogue Research Coordinator VetGen 1 800 483-8436 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: www.vetgen.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Help with pack issues
Hi Deborah, Oh yes you have got a problem:-) Chessies are tough dogs and you and Henley are the visitors, this is not a long term arrangement so you must honour the house rules and fit in as best you can. I would not leave my male dog neutered or otherwise alone in the company of an established pack of three dogs. Either keep him crated or in a separate room when you and another person cannot be there to supervise them. If you leave them to work this out on their own fur will fly and injuries will happen. Just because the boys are neutered does not make them mellow pussycats. Boys raised together can tolerate and fix their pack order but a visiting adolescent male has to be "sorted" and this may not always be very nice! Don't let the dogs spoil your holiday with your sister, recognise that these two tolerate each other on a very limited basis and control the situation. If your sister is going to throw food treats on the way out of the house small wonder WW3 hasn't broken out but it's her house and her rules for her dogs. Keep Henley in your room at night or crated or make sure you're up and about when she leaves for work. On neutral ground like a park you and your sister could probably let them interact more freely but on Chessie's home turf he is to be King of the Hill. While it is essential to break up hostilities make sure you don't side with the loser as that will only make the leading dog feel he has to have this battle again. Remain calm and when trying the two dogs together leave their leashes attached to buckle collars so you and the other person can haul them apart if they get physical without risk of being bitten. Remember when dogs are angry with each other they are not remembering their human bite inhibition training and many an owner has got bitten by getting in the way. Berners are lovely dogs but very tenacious and not wilting flowers when a good punch up is happening, don't let those good looks fool you:-)) I live with twelve dogs and there are days when I'm worn out monitoring the in-pack dynamics. You should try a few Berner bitches all with PMS at the same time for some real fun!!:-)) Rose T.
help for pack issues--more
forwarded for Vilma: Cindi, I forgot the most important part, if you are going to be in this household long term, I would strongly suggest seeing a qualified animal behavorist for some consultations -- one who uses POSITVE methods to help you work thru the issues w/ the dogs. (check out www.apdt.com for references in your area or see a university vet school's behavioral science dept -- I dont remember where you live??) Vilma Briggs (Kistner) Mt. Gilead, OH U-UD Mocha Java Slurp, UDX, HIC, TT Ch. Brighteye Expresso Bean, UD, NDD, TT U-CDX Our Little Buddy, UD, NA, TT Thirdtym's A Charm, CD Hob Nob Clouds In My Coffee (puppy "Perc") and foster Bernerboy: Brew/Bruin Check any e-mail over the Web for free at MailBreeze (http://www.mailbreeze.com)
Re: Help with pack issues
1) Feed separately. NO high value food or treat items in the mixed pack. Period. 2) If it is a lot of talk and noise, I step back. If it is a true dogfight, I break it up. 3) Not every male dog can tolerate other males or new males or young males in his space--there are no male dog visitors allowed at my house, no male fosters. We can meet other males just fine off the home turf. You may just need to keep them separated for the summer. A pain, but safer for all. Eileen Morgan The Mare's Nest http://www.enter.net/~edlehman --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.488 / Virus Database: 287 - Release Date: 6/5/2003
Re: Help with pack issues
In a message dated 7/10/2003 1:04:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Are Berners not as sensitive to pack issues so Henley isn't getting the > message? Or am I just spoiling him too much by keeping my nose in > things? Is the Chessie entitled to continue drawing blood to assert his > position, or is there a point when his human should take a > stand on how > far he can go? Deborah, I dont think Berners are any more or less sensitive than other breeds to pack issues. And I think letting the dogs work things out on their own is perfectly fine IF no one is getting hurt and the conflicts are over fairly quickly (5 seconds or so.) But here you may need to manage the situation and keep them seperate anytime one has food like feed in seperate rooms and keep one crated or in a closed room when you are not home just for everyone"s piece of mind (And keeping leashes attached and dragging in the house will help you to seperate them if another fight occurs) good luck!! Vilma Briggs (Kistner) Mt. Gilead, OH U-UD Mocha Java Slurp, UDX, HIC, TT Ch. Brighteye Expresso Bean, UD, NDD, TT U-CDX Our Little Buddy, UD, NA, TT Thirdtym's A Charm, CD Hob Nob Clouds In My Coffee (puppy "Perc") and foster Bernerboy: Brew/Bruin
Re: Help with pack issues
Reposted, I don't know if it's just my server, but sometimes AOL garbles everything! - Pat First of all this has nothing to do with you and you sister. This has to do with dominance issues between the dogs. This sounds like it could be related to food and treats and could possibly be easily remedied by following some basic maintenance rules at meal time AND/OR treat times. There is no reason why the dogs need rawhide chips, except that you may enjoy giving them, but understanding that it will breed this animosity, you need to decide how important it really is, as there is really no value to it nutritionally. OK, first of all, bloodshed is NEVER a good sign and while many people ascribe to the "let them fight it out" technique , I do not. If you are not sure, ask yourself, "If my dog lost the fight and were critically injured or killed, would I still be ok with it?" Your answer would probably be a resounding, NO, so please avoid this method. I wonder what you do differently at mealtimes that makes it "better" than when your sisiter feeds. Do you feed your ! boy in another room? Personally, I would suspect that my recommendation at this pint would be that you buy a crate, put it in another room, and feed Henly in there. Keep him in there until the other dogs have calmed down and are finished eating. Follow the same procedure if and when you give treats. Your sisters dogs are the pack and it may take months before your boy could find his place, and by then you will probably be ready to leave. In case for some reason this is not entirely food related and your sister's dog decides to become "protective" over something inanimate like the remote, you may need to keep your boy separate when you are not able to supervise. Just my two cents. Briana - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rmlyc3Qgb2YgYWxsIHRoaXMgaGFzIG5vdGhpbmcgdG8 etc. Check any e-mail over the Web for free at MailBreeze (http://www.mailbreeze.com)
Re: Help with pack issues
First of all this has nothing to do with you and you sister. This has to do with dominance issues between the dogs. This sounds like it could be related to food and treats and could possibly be easily remedied by following some basic maintenance rules at meal time AND/OR treat times. There is no reason why the dogs need rawhide chips, except that you may enjoy giving them, but understanding that it will breed this animosity, you need to decide how important it really is, as there is really no value to it nutritionally. OK, first of all, bloodshed is NEVER a good sign and while many people ascribe to the "let them fight it out" technique , I do not. If you are not sure, ask yourself, "If my dog lost the fight and were critically injured or killed, would I still be ok with it?" Your answer would probably be a resounding, NO, so please avoid this method. I wonder what you do differently at mealtimes that makes it "better" than when your sisiter feeds. Do you feed your boy in another room? Personally, I would suspect that my recommendation at this pint would be that you buy a crate, put it in another room, and feed Henly in there. Keep him in there until the other dogs have calmed down and are finished eating. Follow the same procedure if and when you give treats. Your sisters dogs are the pack and it may take months before your boy could find his place, and by then you will probably be ready to leave. In case for some reason this is not entirely food related and your sister's dog decides to become "protective" over something inanimate like the remote, you may need to keep your boy separate when you are not able to supervise. Just my two cents. Briana
Help with pack issues
Hi all, I need the expertise of experienced BMD owners. Here's my situation. I am lucky to be owned by a 9 month old male BMD, Henley (neutered). Usually we live in Syracuse, where I'm at school, but I'm spending the summer in Seattle with my sister, her husband and three dogs. These dogs are: 1). 12 yr.old Chessie - an old coot, deaf, and demanding, but somewhat oblivious (neutered) , 2) 2.5 yr old chessie/lab mix (neutered and the problem) and 3) 6 month old Mexican beach dog rescue - who knows what breed, but very much a pack dog (set to be neutered this month). I guess it's not surprising that the male chessie x has exhibited some nasty behavior towards Henley. The first bad incident was after I had dropped my sister and her husband at the airport on their vacation. I don't think it was food related, but as soon as I got in the house, the chessie went after Henley, I had to pull him off, and Henley ended up with a nasty ear wound that took about 3 weeks to heal and set me back $100. Henley has bared his teeth towards this dog, and sometimes this dog seems to defer to Henley, but mostly he's trying to put Henley in his place. Things flared up again today - my sister, before leaving for work gave them flip chips, and as soon as she left, the chessie came after Henley, lunged at him very aggressive and took the flippie away (I was still in bed, where Henley came with the treat, so also go the brunt of it!). There was also another close call after their feeding tonight. My sisters' oldest dog has a tendency to pick at her food, so it's often left out, while the two males try to jocky for position. Things seem a little better if I'm the one feeding all the dogs, which sometimes happens twice a day, but more often once a day. And today, when I had Henley and the Chessie x in my car, the Chessie seemed deferential to Henley. I know there are pack issues at play, and the Chessie has a right to assert his position; and Henley's at the bottom of the pack. I expected a few tough moments, but figured things would settle down, especially after the first blood-shedding. Are Berners not as sensitive to pack issues so Henley isn't getting the message? Or am I just spoiling him too much by keeping my nose in things? Is the Chessie entitled to continue drawing blood to assert his position, or is there a point when his human should take a stand on how far he can go? It's one thing to growl and lunge, but it seems to be another when he hangs on. The first time Henley defecated, since then there have been a few incidents (like today), when he emits a strong odor. Is it time for me to keep Henley crated? Both males play with the female puppy - Henley more often, with the Chessie often keeping a close eye and getting after Henley when he thinks Henley's gone too far. How should I handle this situation? Besides the strife with the dogs, it's created quite a problem between me and my sister. HELP! Deborah Robinson and Henley.
Fw: asking for your help to save my bernese puppy
This is a heartbreaking email that I received last night, the sad reality is that this is what is happening to our breed. The number of Berner puppies in pet shops, x-bred and unregistered litters advertised in the papers is now common when only a few years ago it was unheard of, I fear what the future holds for our breed. Madeline Swisskiss Bernese Mountain Dogs 'Loyal Loving Companions' [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.swisskiss-bmd.com Don't Breed If You Don't Rescue! Subject: asking for your help to save my bernese puppy > to whom it may concern >i bought my first bmd puppy from local pet shop on 11may03, i > discovered that it is very lovely and >enjoyable . then i bought another bmd puppy which is 6 weeks old, > three weeks later 31may03 >from the same local pet shop. however, after the first free health > check up, my second puppy >was found to have a diagnosis, congenital heart disease heart murmur > graded 5/6. so i returned it >to the pet shop on 4jun03. i was told that the puppy will recover > when 6 months old of age or >later. then the puppy was stored in the pet shop these few weeks. due > to love,care and >concern,i always went to pet shop to see the puppy to see how was the > situation. i requested >to the the pet shop owner to have another check up hopefully to have > good news. >unfortunately, i was given the same answer. i dont want the puppy > stay in the pet shop crate >another few weeks waiting for disposal, i paid the pet shop handling > charge and got the puppy >back my home on 27jun03. >now, i have problems to save my sick puppy. how can i handle this > kind of disease? >my to puppies always fight for domination and i dont want the sick > puppy to have any accident >due to any fighting exercise. what can i do right now? is there any > place to save my sick puppy so >i can prolong his life? do i need to do ultrasound to search for a > detailed situation? or ask for heart > surgery? > > plz reply > > Richmond, BC. > > _ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > >
Fw: Help needed for fellow dog lover.
Thank you, from the bottom of my heart to all the many, many people that have offered to help this lady in San Diego. I am sorry I cannot reply to you all personally, I am totally overwhelmed by the response to this, you guys have certainly restored a lot of faith in humanity. Amazing! Her mother here, was in tears at the offers of support for her daughter. She was extremely distraught to hear yesterday that her daughter has decided to stay with her "boyfriend". I cannot begin to understand what this poor girl has just been through and definitely would not want to judge her decision. It must be so overwhelming and frightening, for her to be in this situation so far from home. However, we are making her up a support package with all of the information that everybody has so kindly sent me, in the hope that this will give her strength and the knowledge that so many beautiful people are there to help her. Please, with your blessings I would like to ask if you could hold your offers of support and allow me to include them in this package. For those that enquired the dog is a male, desexed Bearded Collie X, he is beautifully mannered, has always lived in the house and gets on well with other dogs. He is her heart and she definitely wants to keep him, not rehome. She has been advised that he has to remain in the States for 6mths before he can return to Australian quarantine. We are guessing that this is due to rabies, he would never have had a vaccination for this before? We are checking this out further using the contacts we have been sent from this email, thankyou. Again, thankyou for allowing me to post off topic and for your unbelievable support. I knew that there would be a person that could offer some information but never dreamed that the support would be so far and wide. Warm regards, Fiona Gordon Gladsheim BMD's Western Australia
help for thunderstorm fear
Well, it works for Indie... Once upon a time, until Indie was 5.5yrs, Indie had no fear of thunderstorms. That changed the day he was entered in a herding test and a storm approached. We found out on our drive home that a tornado had struck only a mile from the site, so he had plenty of weather to cause some anxiety. Ever since he has been somewhat anxious during storms, though he has improved with some "jolly routine" training when it storms. But the help I am writing about comes from his experience in the summer Paws to Read reading program at our library where Indie listens to children who read to him. The very 1st day of the program it was storming and he had been slightly anxious. Once the kids started reading to him, on his blanket, he promptly fell asleep! The room where the kids read to dogs is now his cue to relax. Today after about 10 minutes, he flopped on his side, head on his child's lap and she giggled as she tried to get her book out from under his head. He didn't budge because he was so relaxed. This from the dog who has been nicknamed "Ever Ready" because he is always ready to go/train/etc... Of course I am writing not only about what has helped resolve some anxiety on Indie's part, but about how the Paws to Read program benefits the kids. It has been discussed on the list before. It is a wonderful program for the kids and the side effects for Indie have been a pleasant surprise! If you have a chance to get involved in a program like Paws to Read - I highly recommend you do. (and I am not seriously suggesting that anyone use it to treat fear of thunderstorms - but it is working for Indie) Jill with Indie and Gabby
Help needed for fellow dog lover.
Sorry, this is way off topic but I am writing in the hope that somebody can help with an emergency situation that has arisin in San Diego. I work at a vet practice in Western Australia, one of our wonderful clients recently travelled to San Diego, after selling up her home and packing all her belongings, including her beloved dog. She was moving permanently and was to be married within the next few weeks. Unfortunately, things did not turn out well and she was a victim of domestic violence, suffering terrible wounds and being admitted to hospital. She has organised to return to Australia as soon as she is able, however is very concerned about her dog. She is alone and scared and has no friends or family to turn to. She is desparate to find a boarding kennel or suitable accomodation for her dog, pending finding out if he needs to spend a quarantine period in the States before she can fly him home, or if he can fly home and spend quarantine here. She is more than happy to meet all costs just really needs a kind, helping hand with sorting out her arrangements, as she does not know the local area. If you know of anybody at all in the San Diego area that could help her could you please email me and I can supply them with her contact information. Thank you Fiona Gordon Gladsheim BMD's Western Australia
Re: Need help with ideas
Hi Karen and fellow listers, I recently saw a get together where one of the more disciplined events was "fetch a hotdog and bring it back to Mom/Dad without eating it up on the way back". The hotdogs were measured after each retrieval and the dog bringing back the longest hotdog was declared the winner! It was hilarious! Hugs to all, Cecilia Ståhl & Griffin Stockholm Sweden - Original Message - From: "K.Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Berner-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 3:30 AM Subject: Need help with ideas > Hi All, > I am working the committee for our area Fun Match. We are planning to > have some fun classes such as a biscuit catch and musical hoops(where you > have your dog sit in a hoop when the music stops). Does anyone have some > ideas on other fun Berner Games that we could use for fun class > competitions. We are planning to offer placements such as 1st, 2nd, ect. > Thanks!! > Karen Jacobs >
HELP-Blood test results
I just had a blood panel run on my nine year old girl, and the protein and albumin are very low. Tulie is currently being treated for hemangiosarcoma, but the Vet does not feel that the blood results are caused from the cancer. My Vet is kinda stumped, because Tulie is not showing any signs of what these levels would represent. I had a blood panel and urinalysis run in Feb. These were the results then and now. Feb. Now Albumin 2.2 1.5 Total protein4.9 3.3 Globulin 2.7 1.8 There was no protein in the urine, so it is not being lost there. At this time, we do not know where the protein is being lost. Can anyone give me any info on what I can do? Everything I have looked up so far points to renal/liver failure. I have taken Tulie off all supplements, and was just starting to switch her food. What type of food should I look at now? Thanks, Tami Winner Merced, CA _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Need help with ideas
Hi All, I am working the committee for our area Fun Match. We are planning to have some fun classes such as a biscuit catch and musical hoops(where you have your dog sit in a hoop when the music stops). Does anyone have some ideas on other fun Berner Games that we could use for fun class competitions. We are planning to offer placements such as 1st, 2nd, ect. Thanks!! Karen Jacobs
re: need help on a question
if anyone is interested, i got 17 answers to my little survey. thanks to all who responded. people came from all over the united states, plus one in england & a few in canada. just over half had owned a purebred dog of another breed before. the time it took to get a puppy ranged from 1 day to 2 years. the average was just over 6 months. thanks again to everyone who helped to make my information for people looking for berners more accurate. lisa baldwin (dickens, bark & zel) seattle, wa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: need help with research
Hi Beverly There are a couple of sites where you can research pedigrees. Try these 2 for starters http://www.breedbrowsers.com/Berners/index.html or http://www.bernerped.com/ Cheers Craig Phillips
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need help with research
If anyone can help me with the following please email me privately. 1. Is there anyway to research pedigrees on line? 2. Nesselacker is a very familiar name in a lot of lines. I assume V Nessalacker or von Nessalacker refers to a kennel in Switzerland. Is there anyway of finding out more about this line (kennel)? 3. I have heard there is a show berner list but have not been able to find it, could someone clue me in. Thanks guys, I really need to find a job, I am making up my own research now. But I figured that I could make better use of this down time to find out more about the breed and try to understand the genetics better. I have some really good books but they just make me want to know more. Beverly Arnold, Han and Liesl Gainesville, Fl
Need Help Finding Home - Montana
I have been in contact with Chris regarding Dickens and our regional club (Inland Northwest BMDC) will assist both of them. Thanks for everyone's help and concern regarding this, especially Vicky Whitney. We will attempt to get transportation for Dickens from the Billings area to Missoula. He will then be transported to a foster home where he will be neutered and evaluated before being placed. I certainly appreciate Chris wanting to find him a good home. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me. Kathy M. Deyo, Rescue Co-Chair, Inland Northwest BMDC (ID, MT, OR, WA) BMDCA National Rescue & Rehome Coordinator
help with pooing in the house!
Hi everyone, Hoping you all can give me some advice here. We just moved in to a new house May 1st, and I know our move was pretty stressful on our 3yr old Bernerboy Edgar. We have an unfinished basement and set up part of it as the pets area while we are gone at work during the day and also at night. In our house Edgar was gated off at night and during the day in our lower level (of a split entry) as well. The first several weeks he had a few poo poo accidents down in the basement, I sort of chalked it up to stress from the move. But now he has done it twice already this week! One evening he did it while we were home. . . he knows he's not supposed to do that because he feels terrible when we come home and find it. He is not left alone any longer than he used to be, so wondering how we can cure this problem. Should I start crating him again? I hate to do that, but if it will get him to stop pooping I will. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated We're thinking about a 2nd dog, maybe later than sooner now with this new pooping thing, and we don't want him to teach a new pup/dog that it's ok to do that in the house. . . help! Thanks. Nikki
Re: Need Help Finding Home
I write this to the berner-l group with a heavy heart. I need to find a very special home for my boy Dickens, a 4-year-old Berner, who is the light of my life. Unfortunately, my work is requiring that I begin traveling extensively and for long periods of time away from home. Dickens is a very healthy dog with sound hips and elbows -- no health problems that I am aware of. His temperament is not that of a normal Berner, however, as he growls and barks at strangers, and has attempted to nip strangers on occasion. He is very aggressive to strangers walking by my yard and is very protective of his territory...whether it be his yard, his house, or even when he's being boarded. Once he has decided a stranger is okay, he never forgets them and welcomes them openly, rolling over for belly rubs and climbing into their laps. I would not recommend placement in a home with children; however, I think he would be okay in a home with other dogs, if he was introduced slowly. As I said, if it weren't for the demands of my job, I would never give him up. He is a dear and cherished part of my life. I live in Montana and am not aware of any Berner groups nearby, so I would appreciate any help the group could offer, either thru response to the berner-l or to my e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Chris & Dickens
Re: need help on a question
> this is a little questionnaire for anyone who bought their first bernese > puppy in the last 3 years. i'm just trying to get a better answer for folks > i talk to on the phone about wait time. Hi Lisa, Well, my latest Monster Pup, Sim, was three and a half years ago and took a week! But by then I was well established with Berner Folk and people knew who I was! And knew Sunny was pining when Sam died, and went flat out to find me a pup! That was a miracle! My first puppy, Samson, took nine months. Didn't know anyone! Then, I got phone number for one of the top people here UK and had long talk. (Thanks again, Jude, now my friend!) She gave me a few numbers, and I got swung on top of a Breeder's List here because I was able to go down with my first adoptee Berner, Tinks, who I had mainly cared for over a long time and actual owner took us down and extolled my virtues and my Tinka was thirteen and looking good. Very shortly after, I brought Sam home! I get an enormous amount of mail in from potential Puppy Owners who find my Longlease Site. I always advise them to go to shows, join the groups and lists and get to know other Berner owners. Thankfully, most of the time, Berner Breeders are very discriminating! The waiting list for PPO's, hopefully, will stay long! Perhaps some people may say this is nepotism, but I feel that anyone who truly wants a Berner, not just as "I must have one of those dogs", but really in love with the breed and understanding the commitment needed will take the time to get to know people in the Berner World. Hope this helps, All Love, Jean, Sunny, Sim, Barney and the Gang XXX http://bernese.biz
need help on a question
this is a little questionnaire for anyone who bought their first bernese puppy in the last 3 years. i'm just trying to get a better answer for folks i talk to on the phone about wait time. 1) what region of the country are you from? 2) have you ever purchased a purebred dog of another breed from a breeder before the berner? 3) approximately how long did you wait between getting on a breeder's waiting list & getting a puppy? thanks in advance for all of your help. lisa baldwin (dickens, bark & zel) seattle, wa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help with agression
Thanks Rose, Thanks Eileen Last night, one more nice long walk, came home with everyone happy and relaxed and then, all of a sudden he was at her again. (I was getting dishes into the dishwasher and noticed I had one to my right and one to my left, and was thinking how peaceful they looked. : ( She just gets into a corner , cowers but bares her teeth. He actually goes at her but does not draw any blood, but it looks dangerous enough for my intervention since she cries. Eileen, I´ve handled no intervention in skirmishes where the fight looks even, but how do I deal with one much larger dog cornering a smaller, more fragile dog in a corner and her crying? I´m afraid I won´t see the blood until it´s too late! But this morning they met and were fine. Just hung out together, looking somewhat tense but no growling or squirmishes or anyhting. And they chose to be together in a large yard. I´m still confused. Rose wrote: > It does sound rather like he doesn't like her, is there any chance that you > can find her a quiet home where she would be the only dog. The other option right now is a home with many more dogs! And she has become very attached to me... She sounds like > she has no real dog social skills and your boy is not getting a good feed > back from her. She ignores/ is ignored by my other dogs.Would that mean no dog skills? If finding her another home is not an option then keep her > separate from him for a while, once he is neutered it will take three to > six months for his testosterone levels to fully subside and at his current > age they would be very high. They are when they are nagers:-(( OK, I´ll see how long I can keep them separate. I would > be inclined to leave her intact for a while and let her relax That makes sense. I´ve spoken to her vet and cancelled the appointment for now. . You must do more obedience work with your boy, he is sounding > wilful and not listening. You must be the leading bitch in your household > of dogs, it's imp erative:-) Ok, Thanks for pulling my ear! I´ll get into that obedience mode. > Good luck Thank you so much and I´ll let you know how it goes Simone
RE: Help with agression
Hi, When Doppo chased after the setter was he being aggressive or sexual? Was there any vocalisation on his part? Studly behaviour on the part of young males is usually a rush in and a jamming of his nose under her flanks or crotch to which a female will object in a few differing ways. A mature experienced male will posture and strut and plant his ears on the back of his head, chatter his teeth and then try his luck, Doppo is being a teenager with no class! Is there a possibility that she might be coming in heat or recently had a heat? If she is a young bitch with no prior experience of sexual overtures she might well present the cringeing cur image but if she is showing teeth and making noise her next step will be to snap at him and "get in his face". If she is spayed then he is being dominant for the pack and might well bully her as she has no rank but normally intact bitches do have status and it is a maladjusted intact male that attacks them. I would suggest you and another person walk these two dogs on leash and without making a big issue just insist he remember when on leash he belongs to you, the bitch needs elevation in status so she should be encouraged to relax and enjoy time with you one on one. When introducing them off leash again actually leave a long leash attached to both in the event there is a serious fight, which I doubt, he sounds like he is just being obnoxious and if you can let her settle into the household and the new humans in her life she will soon have the confidence to sort him out:-) Love quarrels between dogs sound nasty and the bitch can fly into the dog but keep your distance, he'll get the message but you do need to let her settle down and recognise her new home as her own. Rose T.
Help with agression
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Re: OT-Computer help needed
For Pam, If you can post emails to anyone else,(which it seems evident thatyou can do) your system is probably ok. The problem may lie on whatever processing the list server does to determine whether you're a member of the list or not. I would try opening a yahoo email account, try to subscribe to the Berner-l from that address then try to post something. If the system accepts you from that address then you know that it is something on prairie-net's side of the fence that's messing up the hand off. Jim LaFrom San Jose, Ca now get out there and work dem workn'dogs
OT: Computer help needed
This has been bugging me since she first mentioned the problem, I would love to find out the answer!! - Pat --- I need help posting... ever since I got my new computer for Christmas I have been unable to post to the list. Pat Long has verified that I'm still subscribed. I knew that already, since I get the digests daily without fail. I verified with my server that everything is OK from their end. Another computer teckie examined my headings, through several test posts. All seems to be fine there too. The only conclusion is that I may have some settings in a way that prevents me from posting, therefore, I am requesting a response from someone who has the same programs and IS able to post, as desired. When I try to post, I get NO return, no error message. It simply goes off into cyberspace somewhere. The particulars (as I understand them... I'm not particularly computer literate): Windows XP/Microsoft Office 2002 XP; Outlook Express 6. My programs were installed by the folks that sold Dick the computer for me, and I'm thinking that the default or chosen settings at the time of installation are what is preventing me from posting. Anyone out there have the same programs? Can you post to the list? If so, can you correspond with me OFF the list, so I can learn what settings you have, so that I can reset mine? Pamela ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) with Dick at a card game, and the fur kids under the deck keeping cool "Hey, lemmee tell about the mousie" "Quiet, Monty, it wasn't so great. You probably got fleas from it"
Re: Parvo in pup from petstore help
In a message dated 6/1/2003 2:47:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Anything she can do, so the Petstore has to disclose about the Parvo? > The vet thinks she got it from the Petstore, because incubationtime is 7 > days. > Can she require her money back for the pup? Check the laws in your state...many have "Puppy Lemon Laws". some are under the agriculture dept, some under the auspices of consumer protection. -Sherri V.
Parvo in pup from petstore help
A friend bought a puppy last Sunday at 6 weeks of age from a Petstore. I know, I know. We can go into why she bought it there later. The pup is in the hospital on IV. Not sure how they check for Parvo. She mentioned something of 6 is normal, but the pup has a 3. Condition is fair to guarded. If she makes it through the night, she should be ok (hopefully) How are the changes of a full recovery? What about long term effects? Any diet help? Anything she can do, so the Petstore has to disclose about the Parvo? The vet thinks she got it from the Petstore, because incubationtime is 7 days. Can she require her money back for the pup? They gave her some $300 medical something. Need to see if I can get a hold of the paperwork. Anyone dealt with this? Thanks, Sylvia Katvala Tucson, AZ (Don't like petstores and wish they were closed)
Re: Do Berners ever die of old age? and, Help
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Thanks for the help
I appreciate all the input you all gave me on drooling and insecurities and behavior of both the BMD and the GP yesterday. I am unsubscribing to the list as the *&@%! breeder decided to sell the pup she was holding for me last night. (I was supposed to go pick him up today.) I frankly can't afford a purebred and was excited about finding the mix. So, I guess I'll go back to my beloved Golden Retrievers and hope that in the future I'll afford a BMD or maybe I'll come across another mix someday. Thank you all again. You're a great group, but my inbox can't handle the e-mail and the saddened heart of the breed I won't be buying right now. I'll look you all up in the future if I ever run across one again and become a BMD mommy. ~Julie Conifer, CO
Re: Help me remember -- a Berner w/o Black is called???
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Help me remember -- a Berner w/o Black is called???
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thanks for the help
Hi Everyone: Thanks to so many of you who responded to my plea for suggestions re. Bogey's diarrhea, seagull, skate, constipation episode. I learned a lot from your responses and really appreciate it. Martha and Bogey
RE: Help us educate
Crossposted by author's request: (And if any of the posts here on the Berner-L have been especially helpful in managing through those difficult early training times, do let her know about those too! If you can't find the specific posts, I may be able to help you find them.) Pat --- Many of our club's well established breeders have developed info packets to send out with their pups. Now that we aren't the only ones selling Berners I thought maybe some of us might like to help out those people who got their Pup from a breeder who doesn't offer support. I would really like to see more organized and helpful information on raising pups on BMDCA's website where it will be available for anyone with a Berner. In the interest of compiling our member's collected knowledge I'd like to ask that anyone who would care to share their puppy packet with me please do so. This also includes you out there that aren't breeders and got a packet of information from your breeder that you found especially helpful. If we get a good many people that are willing to share information then I'll try to compile it into a more cohesive block of material to help PPOs. Maybe our BMDCA website committee can get this collected information onto our club website for use by anyone with a Berner. Elizabeth Pearson has put our Alpenhorn together forever, and what a wonderful job too Elizabeth! Anyone read an article in our newsletter that helped them with puppy issues? New owner issues? I know there have been many helpful Alpenhorn articles by members and those articles that Elizabeth ferreted out and got permission to reprint have had some great information. Or as Robin Hamme has suggested (good one too), has anyone got a favorite professionally produced article from a journal or other magazine that has helped you to handle any kind of issue concerning raising your puppy? How about it! Please share your ideas because your help is needed to educate new owners so Berners don't fall through the cracks. Please let me know what has worked well for you so together we can get helpful info out there for everyone to use. Thanks for your help in advance. Please cross post to other Berner lists. Ann Milligan BonMead Bernese Mountain Dogs [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.angelfire.com/alt/milligan_bmds/
Fw: Please Help! Another Basset of mine has Histiocytosis
Forwarded from Rita who found the Histio Roll Call Site > I live in Lancaster, > California and I don't think the vet has had many cases like this. If you can help, are in the area! Message below! I have replied privately! All love, Jean, Sunny, Simmy, Barney and the Gang X http://www.angelfire.com/anime3/longlease/index.htm - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 05 April 2003 19:22 Subject: Please Help! Another Basset of mine has Histiocytosis > Dear Jean: > > I am so lost and don't know where to go with this. Last year I lost my first > basset hound, Festus, to canine histiocytosis. He died 2 weeks before > turning 10 yrs. old. He had 1 litter of puppies and I kept one. Her name is > Snoozy. She just turned 6 yrs. old. 2 years ago she contracted Valley > Fever, was put on medication and sailed thru that with no return of the > disease. She recently started to have the nodules appear over her back and > one on her muzzle which the vet removed and sent to pathology. Last night > the vet called to say that it looks like histiocytosis. I live in Lancaster, > California and I don't think the vet has had many cases like this. Festus > was put on prednisone as the vet stated it was subcutaneous histiocytosis. > She stated that if it became systemic, then it would be terminal. I was left > with the idea we had it under control, but 3 months later he woke up with > labored breathing and x rays shoed 2 large growths in his abdominal cavity > and 1 large mass in his lungs that left only one quater of one lung left to > breath with. I took him home for one last night with me and then helped him > cross over to the bridge the next day. That was in October of 2002 and I am > still grieving over his loss. Now Snoozy! How can I know if this is > subcutaneous and has not gone to become systemic for her? Is it only a > matter of time before it does become systemic? The vet said when I bring her > in next week for her stitches to be removed, that we would try a more > aggressive form of medication but nothing that would take away quality of > life. I take that statement as her telling me that Snoozy does not have very > long to live. I will talk to her more Tuesday on this. How long might I > have with Snoozy? Can she live for very long if on medication? I am so > confused with this disease. My bassets are my only children and I love them > so much. If you can help in any way, I would be most Thankful. > > Sincerely, > Rita Dluzak >
Help! Berner lost in N. Illinois
Lynn Griffin just phoned me crying. Her Sydney, a medium-sized, in tact, out-of-coat Berner female bolted through the front door of a lady's home at 7:15 this morning. Sydney was staying there while Lynn and John were going away for a short vacation. It is currently raining in our area and the dog is in completely unfamiliar territory. The house is in Country Walk subdivision in Round Lake, Illinois. The roads are Montville, Rollins, and Rt. 83. If you can help please call Lynn on her cellphone 847 217 6847 After Saturday, please call Sherry Otto 847 494 4101 Posters are being put up, the police are on the lookout, a club member's tracking dog is out, friends are out looking, and if you can help, we would appreciate it. Elaine Squires 815 941 2492 Honeybear Berners(TM) since 1984 Suburban Chicago
RE: Housebreaking Help
Hi Brigitte, When a puppy urinates within ten minutes of returning back into the house I would assume a urinary tract infection. These infections are very very common in puppies and are usually quickly cleared up with a course of amoxicillin or clavamox. You will have to try and collect a sample for the vet to analyse or being a male it is easy for the technician to catheritise them and empty the bladder. Try to keep him from lying for too long on cold damp surfaces. Inside the house he'll be fine on the vinyl or tile flooring but don't use that chill bed just yet:-) Rose T. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 30, 2003 8:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Housebreaking Help We've had Eli for nearly 2 weeks and are still having trouble with housebreaking. He has good days and bad days. On a bad day (like today), he'll go outside, doo his business, come in (on his own) and go to the bathroom in the house only minutes later... help! We haven't had him long enough to fill out a Berner survey yet, but he's racked up a "naughtiest" already -- he seems to think that the door molding on our bathroom is one giant chew toy - a large chunk has been chomped off! Luckily we love him... :+) Thanks to the poster who mentioned canine cooler mats - never heard of them, found on Petsmart.com and ordered. Eli thinks it's hot now (only mid 50's) -- wait till our Jersey summers -- thought this might help him. Thanks again! Brigitte Berner Mom in NJ
Re: Housebreaking Help
> > > We've had Eli for nearly 2 weeks and are still having trouble with housebreaking. He has good days and bad days. On a bad day (like today), he' ll go outside, doo his business, come in (on his own) and go to the bathroom in the house only minutes later... help! What? No one's told you about the "Two Tee tee rule?" :-) From Pioneer's puppy packet: "Initially after any period of sleep, your pup will probably urinate twice with a short interval inbetween squats. Confine your pup or stay outside observing until you've seen him go the second time. It might take 5-10 minutes in-between squats." Ruth Reynolds Pioneer Bernese www.jersey.net/~mountaindog/rar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Re Refractory Idiopathic genetic epilepsy--Any HELP??? Please
Hi Angela, I certainly think that diet can trigger off a whole host of problems but the word is trigger, the weakness is pre-existing. Definately in porto-systemic shunt puppies and dogs the seizure is caused by unprocessed proteins being carried to the brain hence diet results in a seizure but is not the root cause . I would definately be looking at some form of liver dysfunction if dietary aspects were triggering seizures. Some antibiotics can make humans feel very strange, I know that I can't tolerate some because of dizziness and loss of vision so it makes sense to me that perhaps some forms of preservative or meat meal made from chicken and beef containing antibiotics fed to the slaughtered animal might have an effect. Years ago I went to a seminar about natural feeding and was told the best meat to feed a dog was New Zealand lamb because the sheep are not overdosed on drugs and growth stimulants. I think too many drugs and inappropriate fodder are fed into the meat animals and no matter whether you feed BARF or kibble there has to be some residual effect over time. Then there is the runoff in our water supplies and pesticide and herbicide in our veggies. I'm sure I would feed organic to any dog of mine that was at risk for seizures but bottom line is if an animal cannot tolerate the world we find ourselves in then they are not breeding animals. Rose
Re: Housebreaking Help
In a message dated 3/30/2003 8:51:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > We've had Eli for nearly 2 weeks and are still having trouble with > housebreaking. He has good days and bad days. On a bad day (like today), he' > ll go outside, doo his business, come in (on his own) and go to the bathroom > in the house only minutes later... help! This is pretty much what I'd expect after 2 weeks...especially if your puppy has had the opportunity to relieve himself in the house at all. Housetraining is really a pretty complicated process for puppies. It takes time, repitition, and consistency for them to learn the various parts of the lesson. The following is part of a post I sent to the list previously so I apologize for the incorrect gender. Housetraining is a matter of helping your puppy to understand: 1) That outside is the place to relieve herself. 2) How to use her muscles to "hold it" until she gets outside. 3) How to let you know that she has to go outside. No simple matter for a 3 month old brain and body...so patience is an important part of the process. The other important part of the process is repetition. Every time a puppy relieves themself in the house, they're not learning to go outside. Regardless of your reaction, they pretty much learn that it's OK to go when ever and where ever the need arises. So, a core element of housetraining is to do everything you can to prevent 'accidents' from happening. Anticipate when your puppy will have to relieve herself and take her outside BEFORE she does it. When she does go outside, praise and perhaps give her a tidbit as a reward...both will help her to undersstand that going outside is a 'good thing'. Another part of the whole is watching her very closely for the subtle signals she sends to let you know she has to go outsiderespond to them immediately and when she relieves herself outside, reward the good behavior. I use a crate as a tool for helping the puppy and I communicate with each other about how the process goes. Most pups will instinctively not relieve themselves in the small area they sleep in. Consequently, when a pup wakes up in a crate and has to urinate, they'll typically get restless, bark, or yelp to let you know they want *out*. I immediately let the pup out, scooping her into my arms, and carry her outside to the potty area. When I put her down, she pees, I praise and reward...give her a minute or two, and then put her back into the crate. You can see that this is teaching all the key elements of housetraining by using the dog's own instincts to keep her area clean. She learns that if she barks, I'll respond and let her out. She learns to hold herself...even if only in my arms at first...until she gets outside. And, she learns that outside is THE place to relieve herself as she hasn't had the opportunity to do otherwise. The caveat to crate training is that you MUST be there (within earshot) to let her out when she has to go. You can't tell her to wait a few minutes because you're not ready to get up yet, you can't leave her home alone in a crate for long periods of time and expect her to keep her legs crossed. Putting a puppy in that position turns the crate into an instrument of cruelty rather than of learning. > -- he seems to think that the door molding > on our bathroom is one giant chew toy - a large chunk has been chomped off! There are two facets to this... The first is that puppies need to chew and must be provided with safe items to chew on. For babies that still have their their puppy teeth, I use Gumabones (the softer version of the Nylabone), the Booda Bone knotted rope, natural rubber toys, a Chewman fleece, and raw beef knuckle bones with the fat removed. NOTE: the Gumabones, rope toys, and for some dogs...the fleece toys, can ALL be hazardous once your Berner started to get his adult teeth in. Watch closely how these items are being impacted by the chewing and discard as soon as chuncks are being knawed off the Gumabone or the rope toy is looking a bit tattered or loose threads are starting to appear or the fleece toy is being gutted. This can happen in a few minutes so as your puppy gets a bit older I wouldn't leave him alone with them. Also remember to 'upsize' toys to prevent swallowing/choking as puppy gets bigger. The second component environmental. Destructive chewing can result from either stress or boredom. Keep in mind that dogs are inherently social animals and a young puppy would never be totally alone in the normal structure of a canine pack. When you leave a puppy alone (no people, no other dogs about) you can expect the pup to stress (unless he's tired and just wants to sleep). I handle this by slowly building their ability to be alone by starting small
Re: digging to china--HELP!
I think some dogs simply enjoy the activity of digging whilst others don't. It has nothing to do with being bored or wanting to be naughty. Of my four dogs, past and present, only my current youngster is an enthusiastic digger. He'll dig anywhere, to bury his "treasures", to dig himself a hole, or sometimes just for the heck of it. I am very bad when it comes to correcting it, primarily because I really don't care about my garden, it's my dogs play area and they can do what they like. However, other peoples garden is another matter. The only thing I can advise you to do is to "bribe" Hudson with a "macho" stick" or something she enjoys chewing and which she'll find completely absorbing. Then she MIGHT abstain. OR the other thing you can do is to watch her like a hawk whilst she is visiting somebody and warn the hosts that she is very partial to digging. Good luck! Michaela, Harvey & Rups ( fellow digger) Devon/UK
digging to china--HELP!
hi everyone, i have a bad problem with digging with my 11 month-old girl. now she has a GREAT, fun-filled life, she is out all the time with me and her "family" of dogs--hiking, playing, etc, so it's not from boredom. i don't have a yard, but sometimes we leaves her with her 3 sisters at my girlfriend's house with their front & back yard when we go out. well, the front yard was just dirt and she dug major holes throughout the past few months--we'd catch her at the last second or not at all, but know it was her. once even to a pipe. now, her backyard, that the dogs had never been in until today, has grass, and some dirt but not like the front yard so we thought we wouldn't have to worry about digging. we were gone for 3 hours and called her mom and come to find out, her mom looked out the back window and there is hudson digging down to the sprinkler. she gets yelled at and hides all the time AFTERWARDS because she's NOT stupid, she knows it's bad, and we think she's cured, but no, she'll do it again when we don't expect it, like today. and it was HOT out today and usually she'll sleep on the concrete. nope, out in the hot sun digging as fast and hard as she can to a pipe. now i'm so embarrassed to leave her there and it's sad because she loves it but i have NO idea how to stop her from doing it without remodeling their backyard or having them dread her visits. what can i do? no one wants to put poop in the holes back there, and she's the only one who digs, i feel so bad. please help! danielle & hudson
Non-berner- help with basset hound and
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Housebreaking Help
We've had Eli for nearly 2 weeks and are still having trouble with housebreaking. He has good days and bad days. On a bad day (like today), he'll go outside, doo his business, come in (on his own) and go to the bathroom in the house only minutes later... help! We haven't had him long enough to fill out a Berner survey yet, but he's racked up a "naughtiest" already -- he seems to think that the door molding on our bathroom is one giant chew toy - a large chunk has been chomped off! Luckily we love him... :+) Thanks to the poster who mentioned canine cooler mats - never heard of them, found on Petsmart.com and ordered. Eli thinks it's hot now (only mid 50's) -- wait till our Jersey summers -- thought this might help him. Thanks again! Brigitte Berner Mom in NJ
Re Refractory Idiopathic genetic epilepsy--Any HELP??? Please
Hello there, I have heard that diet can play a huge part in epilepsy in dogs. There does seem to be some correlation between allergies and seizures in almost any dog (regardless of breed) that I know of that seizures. My vets whom I work for have a Border Collie that has cluster seizures who went about 8 months seizure free after feeding him a different diet due to chronic loose stools - this was a dog who would seizure a couple times a month and has been on various meds. I believe there is a vet in the US (Dr. J.) that claims he has cured ALL his seizuring patients using diet alone. I find this quite interesting but I am certainly not ruling out a genetic component to this problem. (for those of you on this list who were going to remind me. :-) ) Out of curiosity has your dog had any skin problems (unexplained itching), loose stools on a regular basis, or other allergy symptoms? Might be something to consider. Bernerly, Angela Wagenblast Wagenblast Kennels Caledonia, Ont.
Re Refractory Idiopathic genetic epilepsy--Any HELP??? Please
Hi and again thanks to all who offered suggestions and supoort for us neophyte Berner owners when our large 20 month old boy had his first seizure 17 mos. ago. at the age of 20 months--- he's three weeks shy of 3 years and has a very difficult(and us with him) 16 or so months with continued grand mal seizures every 4 or five weeks--- he's been on bromides and phenobarbital--still seizing regularly and since we live in the bay area it feels like an earthquake not too mention how fearful we are that the seizures will continue to cluster(more than one- up to???) in a 24 hr period...Yesterday we took him up to UC Davis Veterinary School whenre he was examined poked and prodded by more students residents and attendings than he ever saw-- he loved the attention until it hurt some and they took blood etc etc.. and pronounced him with Refractory(not responsive to the current and continued varied meds added subtracted and changed over the year by his regular vet and (nearer by) neurologist ---both thought we all needed some help so off to University of California at Davis we went--- they offered us some new possible treatment options-- Felbamate? Neurontin--either to be added to regular doses of Phenobarbital and Bromide..Desperately, can anybody help us with any anecdotal or personal experience with either of these medications??? Much thanks and to Pat Long and Ruth Reynolds in the past... you can e-mail us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks--we love him so much--he's been a canine good citizen and animal assisted therapy dog before the seizures were a problem
Help (ASAP)
Smokey at a lightbulb. It was on the counter and he just ate it when I went downstairs to do laundry. I called the vet's office but they are gone for the night. He seems fine right now but should I take him to the emergency room? Should I give him something to eat? Should I make him throw up--I worry about the glass. Please help. Radha __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com
Just two more weeks and we need YOUR help!!
I have just finished entering the checks I received yesterday for the AKC CHF Fundraiser into my Excel spreadsheet and so far we have raised $1,683.68 for Grant #2214. There are ONLY 13 MORE DAYS left for this special fundraiser to help fight malignant histiocytosis and we need to raise at least $4,000 more to beat our last fundraiser for this cause. We really do need your help!!! So far we have had 41 people make donations to our fundraiser. There are 2,021 members of the Berner-l, so I would think that we should be able to get a LOT more donations from people in the USA and other countries. We are trying to see how many different countries can be represented in our donor list. Just yesterday I received a donation from Switzerland! We have also received cheques from Japan, the United Kingdom and Canada. I've included the ticket amounts you receive for many countries on the website. Is your country represented in our fundraiser?If your country isn't listed, just send me a message and I'll give you the information you need to make a donation. Here is the website: http://www.overthefence.com/raffle/histio/ Please "check out" the website, then send a check or cheque to me to help raise money to fight histio. THANK YOU!!! Joye Neff and Nick (Ben) Mt. Lebanon, Pittsburgh, PA
Scared while on walks, help!
My husband and I are having trouble walking our 8 month old male Berner. When we walk him he is s scared of people, cars, other dogs, etc.! We got him when he was 7 weeks old and right off the bat he was a little "skittish". Even when we walked him as a small puppy he was always scared of cars. We were hoping he would grow out of this but he still hasn't. My husband just got back from walking him and there were a lot of people out and when he saw another dog he started bucking on his hind legs like he was trying to get away because he was so scared. When he sees other cars his tail goes in between his legs and then he sits down and doesn't want to leave our drive away. We feel so bad for him that he is this scared. I was just wondering if anyone can give us any tips on what to do?? Our last Berner (who died of cancer) was never like this. We want to be able to walk him and him not be scared...any tips??? __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com
Re: Blastomycosis - HELP
http://www.berner.org/temp_pages/blast.htm - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 5:44 PM Subject: Blastomycosis - HELP > My five year old Berner Baran was just diagnosed with Blastomycosis. It has > manifested itself in his mouth. He has had 6 upper teeth pulled including > one of his big canines. The bone was compromised around those teeth. Has > anyone had experience with this disease and were you able to get it under > control? My vet only sees one or two cases a year. He is being put on > Itraconazole (also used in humans for nail fungus) and costs a fortune. That > isn't a complaint as much as an extra bonus with this disease. And they > don't make a low cost animal version - I have to pick it up at the drug > store. The vet originally was afraid it might be some type of cancer. He > says even though it isn't cancer, he's still not out of the woods yet because > this can be hard to cure. Any advice is welcomed. Thanks. > Mike Dimitroff > Wayne, IL >
Blastomycosis - HELP
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Mini-Pink's Gift to me - a Lesson to help others
On March 5, my girl Pal delivered naturally 12 puppies. One male was stillborn and another female who later sported a "pink" ribbon was a tiny little thing weighing no more than 210 g at birth (7 oz). As tiny as she was, she had spunk. We called her "Mini-Pink" due to her pink ribbon and the fact that she was so tiny. I found that she was not gaining weight, after 4 days she had only gained 80 g and was up to 280 g and holding. I decided that I would supplement her with goat's milk via bottle feeding. On March 10th around 5 pm, I found Mini-pink limp and turning blue - her breathing very laboured. My husband, Peter, rushed her to the vet (after hours, our clinic was closed and we had to go another clinic). The vet there took xrays and found fluid in the left lung, but the right lung was clear - so she had a bit over 50 percent lung capacity. She perscribed antibiotic in case of infection (pnuemonia) and we were told to keep her warm and give fluid (milk) via syringe every 2 hours. The next 24 to 36 hours were critical for her survival. LESSON NO. 1 the vet SHOULD have shown Peter how to tube feed. There is no way that we could get enough fluids into this wee girl via syringe to the mouth. Additionally, she should have been receiving sub-q fluids. The following morning, Mini-Pink, was showing some improvement - her sucking reflex was back and she was no longer limp. However, later that day her strength waned once again and she became like a dishrag. I rushed into the vet again (this time my clinic). My vet showed me how to tube feed - he said she is dehydrated and needs lots of fluids - at least 5 cc every 2 hours. So, I had a crash course in tube feeding and off home again. Spent the night feeding Mini-Pink every 2 hours. Again, she appeared much stronger in the morning and I was filled with hope that this brave wee girl would survive. Around 11 am, she started to moan and cry - every movement sent pain through her body. Once again - I rush her to the vet. We figure she has collic and is still very dehydrated. I am dispatched to the local drug store for gripe water. We administer gripe water in hopes this will help relieve the poor thing of the gas. Additionally, she appears bloated and we figure she is having a difficult time pooping due to not enough fluids in her intestines to ease the feces along - so, the vet gives her a tiny enema. Also, she is give 10 cc sub-q injections of saline. Around 3 pm I return home - she is still moaning and crying. The injection area for sub-q's is very painful to her. LESSON 2 - tube feeding requires burping too...I did not know that. I was not told. I continued to tube feed her every 2 hours and also administer sub-q injections of 5 ccs 8 hours apart. By 3 am her breathing was laboured and she was gasping - she was extremely limp and froth/liquid was coming out of her tiny mouth. Around 10:45 am - my sweet little puppy lost her brave fight. I write story about Mini-Pink in hopes that other breeders will learn from my experience and know what to do and not to do if one of their puppies aspirates on milk. This is Mini-Pink's gift to me - to show me how to save the next puppy should this happen, and to pass on this information to help others. What I learned I should have tube fed Mini-Pink from the beginning and not used a bottle. Previous to this, I was very afraid of tube feeding because I had heard that one can put the tube into the lungs instead of the stomach - but, that is really difficult to do - as you measure the length of tube and if it doesn't go all the way, then you remove the tube and try again - that way you are assured of being in the stomach. You can get more fluids into the stomach with a tube than you can with a bottle. Learn how to tube feed - don't be afraid. I have also sent Mini-Pink and her stillborn brother's bodies to the university for necropsy. Perhaps there was more wrong with Mini-Pink than just aspiration. It is important that breeders find out why puppies die and not just pass it off as fading puppy syndrome. Very hard lessons learned over these past few days. Thank you Mini-Pink. Your short life was not without purpose (Mar 5 - 13, 2003). Humbly, Debbie -- Hunka Hunka Berner Love - Kimberlite Reg'd. Debbie Tripp - Saskatchewan Canada - Berners since 1986 http://www.kimberlitebernese.com
RE: Help Needed ASAP of how to send tumors
Renee, I'm so sorry to hear about Bear, and I'll be waiting on pins and needles with everyone else to hear what the Oncologist says. There is an article about histio on my website, you can read it here: http://www.jersey.net/~mountaindog/berner1/ There is not currently any tumor submission process for UC Davis. There had been one subsidized by Berner-Garde, but due to circumstances beyond anyone's control, the arrangement was canceled. There is a tumor registry with GDC, and that and an eye registry are the only registries they are currently maintaining. To submit the information about an existing pathology report, you can find the form at: http://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/gdc/Tumorfm.htm Do not attempt to submit any actually tumors, only the tumor registry is being utilized currently. (option 3, to submit an existing histopath report) There is a study that is currently underway at Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle, Washington. They are working to find the genes responsible for malignant histiocytosis and cancer susceptibility. Here is the information for participating in that study: -- Genetic Research for Genes related to Cancer Susceptibility. Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center is trying to find the gene for cancer susceptibility, and is using blood drawn from Bernese Mountain Dogs that have been positively diagnosed with histio - either systemic or malignant. They still need more samples for their work. They need samples from dogs that have had or (will have post-mortem) a positive diagnosis made. They are also very much in need of "control" samples from Berners over the age of 10 that have not been diagnosed with histio. (But. We have found that this does not mean that the dog will never get histio, so necropsy for these dogs is also important. They realize this may not be for some years after the sample donation!) I'm sorry, I know I sound very cold hearted here, but in order to look for genes, they need to know these diagnoses positively! The "control" samples are very important to the success of the study, and will be greatly appreciated! Information on this study and other studies will be posted at www.bmdca.org in the health section. Instructions for submission of blood samples for this study are: 1. request a free blood collection kit from Kenine Comstock or Heidi Parker in Elaine Ostrander's lab Please email both Kenine and Heidi ([EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED]) or call (206) 667-6980 to insure that a kit is sent to you as soon as possible. 2. Follow the enclosed instructions: a. Have your vet fill the tubes with blood b. label the tubes with dog's name, breed, sex, age, owner's name and phone number, and include a pedigree and relative health information. c. use the enclosed mailing label d. mail it priority mail to FHCRC e. call or email them to let them know it's on its way -- I'll try to help in any way that I can, which never feels like enough. I also have the blood collection kits for the FHCRC here, so if anyone does need one, I can mail them out priority mail as well. Please hug that Bear for me, and I'm sorry I didn't see your post sooner! Pat Long, with loving memories of Hannibal Berwyn PA
Help Needed ASAP of how to send tumors
Hi all, My 5 year old male Berner, Bear starting feeling ill last Sunday. Uncomfortable, couldn't settle down, loss of appetite, and yelping in pain. No obvious outward signs except something just wasn't right. Saw my Vet on Monday - thought maybe had a acidy type stomach(had one scare of possible bloat a few years ago)- gave him a tagament and ascripton. Went back to the Vet yesterday and did an x-ray. Found a growth around his heart. Then had an Ultrasound done and a needle biopsy done. Was given bad news and good news. My boy was diagnosed with Histiocytosis but the good news was that it was contained in one lung and had not spread. The way the Vet explained it to me was that on each side of the chest are three lungs (front, middle and back). Bear's tumor is in the middle lung on his right side. It is quite Large (ultrasound pictures make it look huge). Needle biopsy confirmed histio. I am going to Gulf Coast Vet Clinic this morning at 11. Have great Oncologist's there. The Vet says I will get much more info from them about Bear's condition. She said that it is possible to remove that lung and maybe he will have a chance since it hasn't spread. We'll see what the specialist's say. My question to anyone who can help is the following: I've seen the forms and directions for sending off tumors to UC Davis. But with the limited time that I have been home since his diagnosis I can't locate them. Can anyone please HELP me find the info so I can have them send this tumor off??? Appreciate any help you can give me. I am going to the vet with a lot of hope this morning but also have never felt so scared. Bear is my first Berner. I was living overseas and got him in Scotland. He is such a sweetheart. Just the joy he has given me (even if I have to possibly lose him at 5 years old)is overwhelming. My 3 year old female Berner, Meisje is aware something is not quite right. She gets so scared when he lets out a yelp of pain. Thanks for any help you can give about how to send this tumor off. I want to bring the paperwork with me to the vet this morning just in case. Renee Jacquier Katy, TX
Re: Dunbar needs your help
Dunbar made a valiant effort. Thank you everyone who tried to help me save him. Tonight I made that decision we, who are involved with lives destined to be much shorter than our own, must inevitably make. Goodnight my sweet baby boy, my Dunbar, my D Dog, my friend. Swiss Stars Dances with Wolves, UD, OA, OAJ, TD, (VCD2), DD, JHD Dec 1, 1994 - Mar 10, 2003 Marjie
Re: Need Help; Terribly Itchy eyes
Forwarded in plain text for Willem, please respond to him directly!! Pat -- I need some help for Dingo, she has already for a couple of weeks terrible itching eyes. She rub her eyes along everything on the carpet on stone walls in the garden along trees, and she rub so strong that her fur around her eyes are going away, its only her eyes no other places of her body are itching her. I have been with her already several times by the vet hy have give her an injection against the itching and I must give her 4 times a day eye drops, then it become less but in about 14 days it begins again. The vet does not know what it is, he told my that it is no allergy because then she must have also other places on her body who itching her. The white in her eyes are bloody red that's the only thing what you can she on her eyes. She is on a raw diet from cow meat and sheep and lamb meat, blanch veggies and futher all the other things. Please will you by so kind for my to put an announce on Berner L list about the problem Dingo have, maybe one of the members know something what I can do. Thanking you in advance from Dingo and Willem [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: help with digest
Kim, Thanks for making the effort, most people just email me to ask for help! I think the problem with your commands is that you are sending them in HTML. Are you sending emails from www.aol.com or from version AOL 7.0 or later? Try sending the list command from www.aol.com, and if that doesn't work - let me know and I'll be happy to do it for you! Pat Long (& Luther) Berwyn PA
Re: help with digest
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Dunbar needs your help
Dunbar needs your thoughts, prayers and any other hopes you can spare for getting hom well. He has been in kidney failure and has been in the hospital for 5 days. Until today he has been getting better on fluids and antibiotics. He is very much sicker today, his attitude is much worse. Please send him all the healing thoughts you can muster. I just can't lose him yet, I need your help. Keep those thoughts coming, please don't stop sending them. He's my beautiful 8 year old baby boy. Thank you, Marjie
Return for help
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RE: Help!
Hi Melissa, I hope you had Loki's urine checked again and possibly a culture done. UTI's can be particularly stubborn and sometimes a longer course of medication with a specific antibiotic is required. Rather than crate her in the event she still has some infection continuing I would restrict her to a room with a washable floor and set down some papers. You can talk to your vet about giving her cranberry extract capsules for a while to acidify her urine if that is needed but don't use methiodine as it can cause other problems in the young dog. Do not restrict her water intake either. Rose T. -Original Message- From: Melissa Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 1, 2003 7:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Help! Loki is a 7 month spayed female. We also have a 2 1/2 yo neutered male,Griffin. Here's our situation. Loki was seemingly potty trained as of about a month ago. We had stopped crating her altogether and she and Griffin seemed to be doing well together during the day. All of a sudden she started peeing everywhere. Naturally, we took her immediately to the vets and she had a urinary tract infection. The constant peeing cleared up within a day of being on antibiotics. She just finished her antibiotics yesturday. Since being on the medication, she has consistently had 1 accident everyday in the afternoon. She doesn't do it in the same spot either. It is important to note that we come home everyday during the week for lunch and let the dogs do their business and play a bit. My husband and I were wondering if we should start to crate her again to curb this peeing in the afternoon thing. She is almost 70 lbs and a little urine for is looks a lot like a lake. I'm getting really concerned that she is regressing in potty training since her infection. What do you all think would be the best course of action? Do you think there is some other medical problem? If so, what might that be? My husband thinks that I tend to over-react about our dogs' health(he's right), so I like to have input before I worry my self into a frenzy. Thanks in advance! Bernerly yours, Melissa, Loki, and Griffin (Portland, OR)
Help!
Loki is a 7 month spayed female. We also have a 2 1/2 yo neutered male,Griffin. Here's our situation. Loki was seemingly potty trained as of about a month ago. We had stopped crating her altogether and she and Griffin seemed to be doing well together during the day. All of a sudden she started peeing everywhere. Naturally, we took her immediately to the vets and she had a urinary tract infection. The constant peeing cleared up within a day of being on antibiotics. She just finished her antibiotics yesturday. Since being on the medication, she has consistently had 1 accident everyday in the afternoon. She doesn't do it in the same spot either. It is important to note that we come home everyday during the week for lunch and let the dogs do their business and play a bit. My husband and I were wondering if we should start to crate her again to curb this peeing in the afternoon thing. She is almost 70 lbs and a little urine for is looks a lot like a lake. I'm getting really concerned that she is regressing in potty training since her infection. What do you all think would be the best course of action? Do you think there is some other medical problem? If so, what might that be? My husband thinks that I tend to over-react about our dogs' health(he's right), so I like to have input before I worry my self into a frenzy. Thanks in advance! Bernerly yours, Melissa, Loki, and Griffin (Portland, OR)
Help Wanted~ Berner Art
Do you enjoy creating Berner artwork? Do you have high quality (suitable for reproduction) photographs of beautiful berners in beautiful (or 'unique') settings? I'm looking for people who work in any style (from cartoon to fine art and everything in between) and media who would like to provide artwork for BMDCA projects. I'm hoping to build both a library of work and a network of artists to work on projects as they come along. The applications range from coffee mugs to bait bags and who knows what we might *cook up* for fundraisers and educational materials. This is definitely a case of *the more, the merrier*... The more people we have contributing their artwork, the more we can perfect the match between artist and project...and, we'll be able to do it without overburdening anyone! If you have a piece sitting in your file folder that you'd like to see made up... or if you're someone I can contact when a project calls for your type of work, I'd love to hear from you! (If you know someone who's not on the list, please pass this on!) -Sherri Venditti
Non-Berner issue -- Breast Cancer Site Needs Your Help
>From Nancy Melone, Mars, PA The Breast Cancer site is having trouble getting enough people to click on it daily to meet their quota of donating at least one free mammogram a day to an underprivileged woman. It takes less than a minute to go to their site and click on "donating a mammogram" for free (pink window in the middle). This doesn't cost you a thing. Their corporate sponsors/advertisers use the number of daily visits to donate mammogram in exchange for advertising. Here's the web site! Pass it along to people you know. http://www.thebreastcancersite.com Thanks!
Fw: Bernese who needs help
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Kelly and Hope need help Update
Found out more information. Hope should have the operation within 2 weeks and the prognosis is good. If she cannot get the operation, than she could collapse one time too much and this would be the end(: She is only 3 years old. Please if you can help, contact BEHAF. BEHAF 25421 Wagner Rd Caldewell ID 83607 and mark it for hope's surgery. I would just hate for her to loose another young dog within such a short time. Especially if it's something that can be fixed. Thanks, Sylvia Katvala and Neala Tucson, AZ
Rescue Help! Now this is the kind I like to see!
Crossposted with permission. I can't decide whether it's funny that someone used satire and turned the tables or it's sad that the situation occurs frequently enough to elicit the satire. John Engstrom Plano, TX --- RESCUE HELP NEEDED ASAP !!!! Please help! After two long years of being on a waiting list for an exotic rare breed dog, we were finally notified by the breeder that at long last, our number has come up, and... WE'RE HAVING A PUPPY! We must IMMEDIATELY get rid of our children now, because we just KNOW how time consuming our new little puppy is going to be! Since our puppy will be arriving on Monday, we MUST place the children in new homes this weekend!!! They are described as: One male, white, blonde hair, blue eyes. Four years old. Excellent disposition. He doesn't bite. Name is Tommy. Temperament tested. Current on all shots. Tonsils removed already and very healthy condition! Tommy eats everything, is very clean, house trained and gets along well with others. Does not run with scissors and with a little time and training, he will do well in a new home One female, strawberry blonde hair, green eyes. Three years old. Can be surly at times. Non-biter, thumb sucker. Her name is Mary. Temperament tested, but needs a little attitude adjusting occasionally. She is current on all shots, tonsils out, and is very healthy and happy (mostly.) Gets along well with little boys, but does not like to share toys. She is house trained, and would do best in a one child household. We really LOVE our children, and want to do what is best for them. I hope you understand, that ours is a UNIQUE situation, and we have a real emergency here! They MUST be placed by Sunday night at the latest! _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Kelly and Hope need help
Not sure how many of you remember Kelly, Hope and Dillon. If memory serves right, Hope was one of the first ones that came to the auctions. BARC was able to get her out, and Kelly opened her heart to her. Later on she also adopted Dillon, who unfortunately had so many health problems and even with all the money and time Kelly spent, she had to put him down. Now, Hope has a collapsed Trachea and needs surgery. Unfortunately with Dillon being sick for so long, plus now helping her grandma. Her grandpa who was like a father to her died(: I know we have already two special friends right now, but was hoping that BEHAF is able to set up a Special Friends account for her also. Remember the old saying "Everything bad comes in three's" or something similar like this. Trying to translate from German. Just think if Hope would of been allowed to reproduce. We would of had a mess on our hands. I'm very grateful for Kelly to give Hope the love she needs. What a bad timing for Kelly(: If folks want to help I am sure BEHAF will be willing to collect the funds for her and maybe make Hope a special friend. Hope "Hope" can get her operation very soon. She is only 3 years old. To think of loosing 2 dogs in a short time, would be just devastating. Especially after all she did for them. Sylvia Katvala and Neala Tucson, AZ
Stolen Bernese bitches!!!! Please help!!!
Hello, it seems like that I can only bring bad news nowdays. After telling you about the loss of my beloved berner boy, Max, now I have to ask you for your attention. In the last few weeks 3 bernese mountain dog bitches had been stolen. The thiefs simply cut off the wire fence and took the dogs. One of these bitches is the litter sister of my younger boy. The police told the owners, that they think the dogs will be taken abroad. So please, if you now anything about them let me know. I have the details, the registration numbers, etc. I'm afraid these dogs were stolen by the same person, and it must be someone, who knows them. One of the bitches was in heat and two of them had already their HD-ED certifications... I hope they will not show up at an auction or in a puppy mill. Thank you in advance, Tímea Román http://www.bshclub.com
BMD w/"issues" needs help
I just had to write, as many of you know my now 7 month old girl came from a volume breeder (not huge, 10-24 litters a year). We did not know this when we bought her. Her french pedigree and registration papers came last week (the day after she was spayed). We have had behaviour problems with her from day one. We chose this breed for their temperament.. we did not expect to have a hyperactive bite-monster. We love her to bits, we work hard with her everyday to improve her behaviour, we try to avoid trigger things, however we are not experts, if we had known in advance we would never had wanted a dog like this. We bought a dog for life, and we will continue to work with her (many many thanks to all the advice we have been given, she is so much better, but still difficult). I suspect that there will be a time when many more BMD's needing rehoming have behaviour problems, and it will be because owners can't cope, not always because they won't. Luckily I was a special school teacher before so have patience, but many people do not have the type or amount of patience needed to deal with behavioural issues. However, we have to live with the knowledge that as she grows up she has to improve or it we be all of us having to pay the price, Emma and Tatty (how long before spaying changes my character) in France
RE: Rescue BMD w/"issues" needs help
Vilma wrote: << The issue of "aggression" (an often overused and misused term which actually covers a very wide range of behaviors) seems to be getting more and more common in our breed. I would love to get together a group of Berner lovers, ideally w/ an interest in training/behavior, who are willing to help these dogs on a one on one basis, supporting each other in these endeavors, etc.>> Vilma, I completely agree with your statement above. Further, as more and more Berners are commercially and BYB produced, I feel we will see a steady population increase of BMDs with poor temperaments and health issues flooded into a market not prepared and/or unwilling to deal with their problems. A great many people seem to complain about this situation but, so far as I can see, the only major projects acting as real, viable deterrents are BARC, breeders who protect the BMD gene pool and the BMD clubs/people who pro-actively educate about BMD health and temperament issues. (This is one reason I feel its important to be supportive of my local and parent BMD Clubs). Adult BMD Rescue is just one more step in protecting the BMD breed, and I feel its a job which is only going to get bigger with time. As a breeder, I feel offering Rescue is an inherent part of my personal responsibility to participate in where possible. While the Berner you mentioned is too far away for my help (and sounds like you have him covered anyway), I am ready and willing to support whatever BMD Rescue and Rehabilitation efforts I can in my area (Montana/Wyoming/Dakotas). I have many years' experience rehabilitating large homeless and abandoned dogs and successfully re-homing them.This is a personal passion of mine. This means I'm happy to participate in any BMD Rescue/Rehabilitation effort you create so long as I can cover BMDs found/released in my area. And I already spend a LOT of effort online educating PPOs and others who contact me for more info about this wonderful breed. Please mark me down as a BMD Rescue contact in Montana, Wyoming and Dakotas. I'm willing to drive anywhere in these states if necessary to help a Berner in need.And I know a few other BMD people in Montana who feel the same commitment as me. Kind Regards, Esther Wilson WilPower Kennels Lavina Montana http://www.wilpowerkennels.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: Rescue BMD w/ "issues" needs help
I think in all breeds, unneutered > males 1-3 yrs old is the highest demographic of owner surrenders. Eileen; I have a rehomed neutered male berner that was 16 months old when he adopted me. He is the sweetest, most wonderful dog, most of the time, but he did have issues. We won't talk about the week that I had to wear long sleeves because I bruises from my wrists to past my elbows on both arms following a "discussion" in my backyard about it being time to go inside. I won and have just tried really hard to be consistent with him. He is a good dog and I am thrilled to have him, even though he stills exhibits a fair amount of shyness around other adults, especially men. However, he's better now than he was 6 months ago when I got him. It's a patience and time commitment thing. I am happy to have him and wouldn't think about ever giving him back to the breeder, even after that "discussion" in October. I want to thank all of you for the ideas and information that I get from the list every day. It has helped me greatly, being a new Berner mom. I used to be a Rottweiler mom and boy, are they different!!! Wendy Keene, Lilah (the right-colored Sheltie) and Klarsson (I'm s spoiled, now) Hampton, VA >
Re: Rescue BMD w/ "issues" needs help
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > But this particular dog has not even been evaluated yet. I just want to give > him a chance! Oh, I certainly didn't mean that no one should give these guys a chance. Many perfectly nice dogs get thrown away every day! (hence my "some dogs are turned in for a good reason"). The Newf I fostered who was put down for attacking his second foster parent (we were going to be traveling) came into rescue as aggressive and we none of us took the family very seriously because we thought it was a case of a boisterous, ill trained young man. Alas, we maligned the family because there *was* something really wrong with that dog! But plenty of dogs called aggressive are merely poorly trained and high energy, not aggressive at all. I was really just using your post to piggy back in something I've been thinking about in terms of Berner rescue, because is seems like quite a few of these guys come in with real issues. I think in all breeds, unneutered males 1-3 yrs old is the highest demographic of owner surrenders. Just trying to dish out some food for thought. Eileen Morgan The Mare's Nest http://www.enter.net/~edlehman --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003
Re: Rescue BMD w/ "issues" needs help
Eileen, Your post makes some very good points. Yes, we do need to watch very very carefully the breeding and training choices we make. Yes, most dogs are in rescue and in shelters b/c of behavioral problems of one sort or another, they are supposedly "there for a good reason." And no, not all dogs w/ problems can indeed be rehabilitated. But this particular dog has not even been evaluated yet. I just want to give him a chance! Vilma Briggs (Kistner) Mt. Gilead, OH U-UD Mocha Java Slurp, UDX, HIC, TT Ch. Brighteye Expresso Bean, UD, NDD, TT U-CDX Our Little Buddy, UD, NA, TT Thirdtym's A Charm, CGC and Ted
