RE: Able Commerce
Unfortunately we are stuck with what we have *grrr* tone type=sarcasmI am having so much fun customizing this/tone*grr* Eric -Original Message- From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 24 July 2006 12:30 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Able Commerce I'll back this up again. You could got with CFWebstore right now and save money, EVEN INCLUDING what you've already wasted on AC, after accounting for man-hours and what not. Make your argument to the powers that be. * Ken Ferguson 214.636.6126 * Josh Nathanson wrote: Able Commerce CFMX version is basically a java app with some cfscript tags wrapped around it. I think that was probably the easiest way for them to push out a CF version of their product. I took a look at it (luckily they had a trial version) and dumped it immediately. It sounds like you may be stuck with it, but let the powers that be know you could probably have CFWebstore up and customized (it's $300) in less time that you will be able to untangle the mess you're in with Able Commerce. -- Josh - Original Message - From: Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 7:15 AM Subject: RE: Able Commerce I tend to agree. My brief look at it didn't give me a very good opinion either. I decided to steer well clear. -Original Message- From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 July 2006 15:02 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Able Commerce My only advice for working with AC is to run away, terribly fast. It is a total piece. I know you're looking for advice, so I will give you some. Chalk up what you've spent on it as a loss and ditch it immediately. If you really want a CF-based off-the-shelf packaged cart application, look into Cartweaver or CFWebstore... Getting out of bed with AC now is going to save you more money and frustration in the long run than it's going to cost you to write it off and go with something worth using. This is that one product that was SO BAD that I promised not only never to work with it again, but to make sure that every time I heard someone talk about it I would make absolutely sure that they knew how low my opinions of the software and the company actually are. The single year-long project I was on working with AC was a complete nightmare filled with hours of talking to the least helpful and least professional support personnel with whom I've ever had the bad fortune to speak. Of course, that's just my opinion... * Ken Ferguson 214.636.6126 * Eric Roberts wrote: Anyone here ever customize an Able Commerce shopping cart? I am installing this so that it can be inserted within the context of the existing site (using the headers and left side navigation features already present on the site, with that cart being the body of the store section of the site) This site uses another package as a content manager(not a very good one at that), but, unfortunately, we need to work with what we have as they are not allowing us to do a complete redo on the site. Any help on this would be appreciated...or at least if someone could point me to a good resource. Able Commerce's tech support system sucks. Once you have it installed (regardless if you have installed in the context of you site or not), you are on your own, unless you want to pay 150/hr for customization support. Needless to say, we won't be purchasing this ever again. When I complained about this to their customer service, all I got was attitude and how that is how their model is and that they are not changing it. I have also had this same question on their forums for the past 2-3 days and have not received a response from anyone. Thanks in advance! Eric ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:247720 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Able Commerce
The reason was that AC treats the two as distinct domains, instead of 2 subdomains from the same domain. The store key only works for one unless you have one specially made that works with both. Eric -Original Message- From: Mary Jo Sminkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 24 July 2006 12:35 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Able Commerce They both point to the same directory. I didn't st it up, but I have to work with it. The previous cart worked just fine with this. Ah, then you're right, there's no reason why that should not work. --- Mary Jo ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:247721 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Able Commerce
My only advice for working with AC is to run away, terribly fast. It is a total piece. I know you're looking for advice, so I will give you some. Chalk up what you've spent on it as a loss and ditch it immediately. If you really want a CF-based off-the-shelf packaged cart application, look into Cartweaver or CFWebstore... Getting out of bed with AC now is going to save you more money and frustration in the long run than it's going to cost you to write it off and go with something worth using. This is that one product that was SO BAD that I promised not only never to work with it again, but to make sure that every time I heard someone talk about it I would make absolutely sure that they knew how low my opinions of the software and the company actually are. The single year-long project I was on working with AC was a complete nightmare filled with hours of talking to the least helpful and least professional support personnel with whom I've ever had the bad fortune to speak. Of course, that's just my opinion... * Ken Ferguson 214.636.6126 * Eric Roberts wrote: Anyone here ever customize an Able Commerce shopping cart? I am installing this so that it can be inserted within the context of the existing site (using the headers and left side navigation features already present on the site, with that cart being the body of the store section of the site) This site uses another package as a content manager(not a very good one at that), but, unfortunately, we need to work with what we have as they are not allowing us to do a complete redo on the site. Any help on this would be appreciated...or at least if someone could point me to a good resource. Able Commerce's tech support system sucks. Once you have it installed (regardless if you have installed in the context of you site or not), you are on your own, unless you want to pay 150/hr for customization support. Needless to say, we won't be purchasing this ever again. When I complained about this to their customer service, all I got was attitude and how that is how their model is and that they are not changing it. I have also had this same question on their forums for the past 2-3 days and have not received a response from anyone. Thanks in advance! Eric ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:247486 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Able Commerce
I tend to agree. My brief look at it didn't give me a very good opinion either. I decided to steer well clear. -Original Message- From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 July 2006 15:02 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Able Commerce My only advice for working with AC is to run away, terribly fast. It is a total piece. I know you're looking for advice, so I will give you some. Chalk up what you've spent on it as a loss and ditch it immediately. If you really want a CF-based off-the-shelf packaged cart application, look into Cartweaver or CFWebstore... Getting out of bed with AC now is going to save you more money and frustration in the long run than it's going to cost you to write it off and go with something worth using. This is that one product that was SO BAD that I promised not only never to work with it again, but to make sure that every time I heard someone talk about it I would make absolutely sure that they knew how low my opinions of the software and the company actually are. The single year-long project I was on working with AC was a complete nightmare filled with hours of talking to the least helpful and least professional support personnel with whom I've ever had the bad fortune to speak. Of course, that's just my opinion... * Ken Ferguson 214.636.6126 * Eric Roberts wrote: Anyone here ever customize an Able Commerce shopping cart? I am installing this so that it can be inserted within the context of the existing site (using the headers and left side navigation features already present on the site, with that cart being the body of the store section of the site) This site uses another package as a content manager(not a very good one at that), but, unfortunately, we need to work with what we have as they are not allowing us to do a complete redo on the site. Any help on this would be appreciated...or at least if someone could point me to a good resource. Able Commerce's tech support system sucks. Once you have it installed (regardless if you have installed in the context of you site or not), you are on your own, unless you want to pay 150/hr for customization support. Needless to say, we won't be purchasing this ever again. When I complained about this to their customer service, all I got was attitude and how that is how their model is and that they are not changing it. I have also had this same question on their forums for the past 2-3 days and have not received a response from anyone. Thanks in advance! Eric ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:247491 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Able Commerce
Ken...I am beginning to agree that this is a real POS. I only hope we can use something esle, or this is going to be a real headache. The way our server is set up is we have the site and a secure site (one is www.name.net the other is secure.name.net) The store keys apparently only work for one domain and will not work with this configuation. The real stupid thing is that int he admin page for the store, you can change the url for the secure site for your store. If you can specify a different url for the secure site, why would this only work with one domain? What a way to start a monday morning, huh? GRR I think I will join you on your crusade to let people know how much of a POS this package is. When i talked to thier customer support on Friday about my dissatisfaction with thier tech support policies, all I got was attitude and I think the quote was something like this is the model we use...we have been doing this for years and we are not going to change. Great way to keep customers, huh? Eric ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:247512 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Able Commerce
Ken...I am beginning to agree that this is a real POS. I only hope we can use something esle, or this is going to be a real headache. The way our server is set up is we have the site and a secure site (one is www.name.net the other is secure.name.net) The store keys apparently only work for one domain and will not work with this configuation. Hhmby this do you mean that the two are on different servers? It's hard to tell for sure from what you write here, but if that's the case, it certainly would be a problem for most shopping carts, since you can't generally share session information between two servers. Otherwise, I'm surprised this would be a problem...it's pretty typical particularly in a shared environment for the SSL to use a different domain. But of course, I can't really speak for another product. ;-) ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:247517 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Able Commerce
Able Commerce CFMX version is basically a java app with some cfscript tags wrapped around it. I think that was probably the easiest way for them to push out a CF version of their product. I took a look at it (luckily they had a trial version) and dumped it immediately. It sounds like you may be stuck with it, but let the powers that be know you could probably have CFWebstore up and customized (it's $300) in less time that you will be able to untangle the mess you're in with Able Commerce. -- Josh - Original Message - From: Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 7:15 AM Subject: RE: Able Commerce I tend to agree. My brief look at it didn't give me a very good opinion either. I decided to steer well clear. -Original Message- From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 July 2006 15:02 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Able Commerce My only advice for working with AC is to run away, terribly fast. It is a total piece. I know you're looking for advice, so I will give you some. Chalk up what you've spent on it as a loss and ditch it immediately. If you really want a CF-based off-the-shelf packaged cart application, look into Cartweaver or CFWebstore... Getting out of bed with AC now is going to save you more money and frustration in the long run than it's going to cost you to write it off and go with something worth using. This is that one product that was SO BAD that I promised not only never to work with it again, but to make sure that every time I heard someone talk about it I would make absolutely sure that they knew how low my opinions of the software and the company actually are. The single year-long project I was on working with AC was a complete nightmare filled with hours of talking to the least helpful and least professional support personnel with whom I've ever had the bad fortune to speak. Of course, that's just my opinion... * Ken Ferguson 214.636.6126 * Eric Roberts wrote: Anyone here ever customize an Able Commerce shopping cart? I am installing this so that it can be inserted within the context of the existing site (using the headers and left side navigation features already present on the site, with that cart being the body of the store section of the site) This site uses another package as a content manager(not a very good one at that), but, unfortunately, we need to work with what we have as they are not allowing us to do a complete redo on the site. Any help on this would be appreciated...or at least if someone could point me to a good resource. Able Commerce's tech support system sucks. Once you have it installed (regardless if you have installed in the context of you site or not), you are on your own, unless you want to pay 150/hr for customization support. Needless to say, we won't be purchasing this ever again. When I complained about this to their customer service, all I got was attitude and how that is how their model is and that they are not changing it. I have also had this same question on their forums for the past 2-3 days and have not received a response from anyone. Thanks in advance! Eric ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:247520 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Able Commerce
No...same server, just a different header.(note name replaces the actual name for non-disclosure reasons) The main site is http://www.name.org and the secure address is https://secure.name.org They both point to the same directory. I didn't st it up, but I have to work with it. The previous cart worked just fine with this. Eric From: Mary Jo Sminkey Hhmby this do you mean that the two are on different servers? It's hard to tell for sure from what you write here, but if that's the case, it certainly would be a problem for most shopping carts, since you can't generally share session information between two servers. Otherwise, I'm surprised this would be a problem...it's pretty typical particularly in a shared environment for the SSL to use a different domain. But of course, I can't really speak for another product. ;-) ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:247524 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Able Commerce
Ken, We have a lot of experience with ACB - and I wholeheatedly agree with your assesment :) -mark -Original Message- From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 9:02 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Able Commerce My only advice for working with AC is to run away, terribly fast. It is a total piece. I know you're looking for advice, so I will give you some. Chalk up what you've spent on it as a loss and ditch it immediately. If you really want a CF-based off-the-shelf packaged cart application, look into Cartweaver or CFWebstore... Getting out of bed with AC now is going to save you more money and frustration in the long run than it's going to cost you to write it off and go with something worth using. This is that one product that was SO BAD that I promised not only never to work with it again, but to make sure that every time I heard someone talk about it I would make absolutely sure that they knew how low my opinions of the software and the company actually are. The single year-long project I was on working with AC was a complete nightmare filled with hours of talking to the least helpful and least professional support personnel with whom I've ever had the bad fortune to speak. Of course, that's just my opinion... * Ken Ferguson 214.636.6126 * Eric Roberts wrote: Anyone here ever customize an Able Commerce shopping cart? I am installing this so that it can be inserted within the context of the existing site (using the headers and left side navigation features already present on the site, with that cart being the body of the store section of the site) This site uses another package as a content manager(not a very good one at that), but, unfortunately, we need to work with what we have as they are not allowing us to do a complete redo on the site. Any help on this would be appreciated...or at least if someone could point me to a good resource. Able Commerce's tech support system sucks. Once you have it installed (regardless if you have installed in the context of you site or not), you are on your own, unless you want to pay 150/hr for customization support. Needless to say, we won't be purchasing this ever again. When I complained about this to their customer service, all I got was attitude and how that is how their model is and that they are not changing it. I have also had this same question on their forums for the past 2-3 days and have not received a response from anyone. Thanks in advance! Eric ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:247526 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Able Commerce
My only concern with CFWebstore is that since it is done in fusebox, how well would that work when the rest of the site is not fusebox? I personally love fusebox...but unfortuantely do not have the aility to redo the entire site with the methodology (I wish i could though...it owuld make life a lot easier hehehe). I was looking at Cartweaver and I will be recommending that we go with that and dump Able Commerce. AC is good if you want just what they have out of the box...which is a pretty good cart, but if you want to integrate it into your site...outside of getting raped on the tech support costs...good luck. I was able to do some customization, but they were pretty painful changes that took a long time to develop. We also found out htat we can buy a development license for our dev server *laugh* What kind of crap is that? I have never heard of having to buy a lcense ($195 at that...)to run a product on a development server. I think these guys need to pass on whatever they are smoking...must be some good stuff. *aggrivated* Eric Able Commerce CFMX version is basically a java app with some cfscript tags wrapped around it. I think that was probably the easiest way for them to push out a CF version of their product. I took a look at it (luckily they had a trial version) and dumped it immediately. It sounds like you may be stuck with it, but let the powers that be know you could probably have CFWebstore up and customized (it's $300) in less time that you will be able to untangle the mess you're in with Able Commerce. -- Josh ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:247527 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Able Commerce
I'll back this up again. You could got with CFWebstore right now and save money, EVEN INCLUDING what you've already wasted on AC, after accounting for man-hours and what not. Make your argument to the powers that be. * Ken Ferguson 214.636.6126 * Josh Nathanson wrote: Able Commerce CFMX version is basically a java app with some cfscript tags wrapped around it. I think that was probably the easiest way for them to push out a CF version of their product. I took a look at it (luckily they had a trial version) and dumped it immediately. It sounds like you may be stuck with it, but let the powers that be know you could probably have CFWebstore up and customized (it's $300) in less time that you will be able to untangle the mess you're in with Able Commerce. -- Josh - Original Message - From: Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 7:15 AM Subject: RE: Able Commerce I tend to agree. My brief look at it didn't give me a very good opinion either. I decided to steer well clear. -Original Message- From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 July 2006 15:02 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Able Commerce My only advice for working with AC is to run away, terribly fast. It is a total piece. I know you're looking for advice, so I will give you some. Chalk up what you've spent on it as a loss and ditch it immediately. If you really want a CF-based off-the-shelf packaged cart application, look into Cartweaver or CFWebstore... Getting out of bed with AC now is going to save you more money and frustration in the long run than it's going to cost you to write it off and go with something worth using. This is that one product that was SO BAD that I promised not only never to work with it again, but to make sure that every time I heard someone talk about it I would make absolutely sure that they knew how low my opinions of the software and the company actually are. The single year-long project I was on working with AC was a complete nightmare filled with hours of talking to the least helpful and least professional support personnel with whom I've ever had the bad fortune to speak. Of course, that's just my opinion... * Ken Ferguson 214.636.6126 * Eric Roberts wrote: Anyone here ever customize an Able Commerce shopping cart? I am installing this so that it can be inserted within the context of the existing site (using the headers and left side navigation features already present on the site, with that cart being the body of the store section of the site) This site uses another package as a content manager(not a very good one at that), but, unfortunately, we need to work with what we have as they are not allowing us to do a complete redo on the site. Any help on this would be appreciated...or at least if someone could point me to a good resource. Able Commerce's tech support system sucks. Once you have it installed (regardless if you have installed in the context of you site or not), you are on your own, unless you want to pay 150/hr for customization support. Needless to say, we won't be purchasing this ever again. When I complained about this to their customer service, all I got was attitude and how that is how their model is and that they are not changing it. I have also had this same question on their forums for the past 2-3 days and have not received a response from anyone. Thanks in advance! Eric ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:247532 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Able Commerce
My only concern with CFWebstore is that since it is done in fusebox, how well would that work when the rest of the site is not fusebox? As long as you drop it into its own directory, it's not a problem. I have lots of clients that run it this way. I certainly don't expect everyone to run out and recode their sites into Fusebox! For an example, see www.usdaa.com. Everything on this site was done prior to adding CFWebstore to handle the store. It runs from its own directory, and is completely separate from the rest of the code. Mary Jo Sminkey http://www.cfwebstore.com CFWebstore, ColdFusion E-commerce ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:247533 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Able Commerce
They both point to the same directory. I didn't st it up, but I have to work with it. The previous cart worked just fine with this. Ah, then you're right, there's no reason why that should not work. --- Mary Jo ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:247534 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Anything better than Quilldesign's Site Director or Able Commerce???
Are there any packages out there that are better than Quilldesign's Site Director or Able Commerce? I'm just gathering opinions. Ché Vilnonis Application Developer Advertising Systems Incorporated 8470C Remington Avenue Pennsauken, NJ 08110 p: 856.488.2211 f: 856.488.1990 www.asitv.com __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Anything better than Quilldesign's Site Director or Able Commerce???
We love SiteDirector. I hear rumors the third version is even better than the wow version 2. Regards, Eric J Hoffman Head Tech Geek DataStream Connexion www.datastreamconnexion.com Delivering Creative Data Solutions -Original Message- From: Che Vilnonis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 1:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Anything better than Quilldesign's Site Director or Able Commerce??? Are there any packages out there that are better than Quilldesign's Site Director or Able Commerce? I'm just gathering opinions. Ché Vilnonis Application Developer Advertising Systems Incorporated 8470C Remington Avenue Pennsauken, NJ 08110 p: 856.488.2211 f: 856.488.1990 www.asitv.com __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Anything better than Quilldesign's Site Director or Able Commerce???
Are there any packages out there that are better than Quilldesign's Site Director or Able Commerce? I'm just gathering opinions. I'm assuming you mean for a shopping cart? I believe both of them have a certain amount of content management functionality, although I don't really see either of them as full-fledged cms. I've recently been thinking about a joint venture with Able Commerce, although I haven't presented them with the proposal yet. It's probably not quite what you have in mind, but if you're not looking specifically for a shopping cart ( or you're willing to do some customization to get there ), you can take a look at Tapestry on my site. It's liable to give you more robust control over the site layout and formatting ( and it separates content from format, including elements such as html tables, etc. which can not be adequately substituted with css in most cases ), although there isn't a shopping cart add-on component yet. The current version priced somewhere between SiteDirector and ABC. I plan to develop a shopping cart for Tapestry (or have one developed), although I don't have any time frames yet. At the moment I'm working on a new release of the core application to better support CF MX, make some minor improvements to the existing features ( easier installation, more gracefull error messages, cleaning up a couple bottlenecks ), and hopefully support Linux, Solaris and Oracle -- this last likely being the largest hurdle. Again, no timeframe yet, I'm still too early in the development cycle to provide a realistic projection. Isaac Dealey Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer www.turnkey.to 954-776-0046 __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: E-Commerce...? NEGATIVE EXPERIENCE WITH ABLE COMMERCE
I have had a similar negative dealing with AbleCommerece. When they were in Florida or something and afterwards when they moved to Washington. We did not engage in either instance but their client list spoke volumes. Our issue was trying to speak to a technical rep and make the sales guy be quite. All we wanted was to see the backend diagram. But never got it. We ended up hiring expensive contractors and broke it up into pieces. I appreciate you Mike stepping in speaking here, if we cross paths and should come across another need, you would be contacted. my 2 cents... Brian Thornton Trader Publishing Company www.forRent.com www.CareerWeb.com www.TraderOnline.com www.autotrader.com www.ecrix.com www.ebaymotors.com 757.321.8317 -Original Message- From: Mike Randolph [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 5:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: E-Commerce...? Duane Boudreau FIRED by client Hello Everyone, I'm done listening to Duane Boudreau chiming in... About AbleCommerce. When Duane dropped the ball on an AbleCommerce project and was FIRED by the client he was obviously left with some hard feelings ...The project was quickly done by a real CF Programmer. (being as PC as I can be) Out techical support is second to NONE, we answer our phone we quickly resolve issues. You don't get a real company to stand behind a product for free. We were recently reviewed against IBM and Microsoft's commerce products and did very well. Thanks, Mike Randolph CEO of AbleCommerce Duane Boudreau wrote: Ian, If you plan to do any customization of the product yourself, I would strongly advise against ablecommerce. Unfortunately, I've had the displeasure of working with and customizing ACB 2.6-2.9 for the past 9 months and here are just some of the things I've found. Its expensive (as compared to apps like CFWebStore). The code is some places is very poorly written and very poorly thought out (being PC as possible here). Maintainability, and ease of customization clearly wasn't a consideration during development. There is little to no documentation and good luck trying to secure a database diagram from the folks at ACB. I tried for almost a month and all they would give me is some marketing documents. I would never recommend ACB to anyone! JMHO, Duane -Original Message- From: Mark Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: E-Commerce...? Ian ,I would look at this company's offering. http://ablecommerce.com/ Mark Campbell Ian Lurie wrote: I know this has been asked before, but here goes: Anyone out there know a good e-commerce product, preferably easily customized, that can handle a fairly large store (500-1000 products)? Thanks, Ian Portent Interactive http://www.portentinteractive.com Combining process, design, content to create great web sites since 1995 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: E-Commerce...? NEGATIVE EXPERIENCE WITH ABLE COMMERCE
I have to chime in here. *ding* okies... When a company I worked for was trying to find Ecommerce software for the Miss Universe 99 website which I worked on, we shortlisted a few and Ablecommerce won out. There was an extremely helpful Ablecommerce represetnative called Mark, who was very helpful and patient as we struggled through to our deadline. We never fully implemented the E-Commerce stuff for Miss Universe 99, but I did work with the program and had several communications with Ablecommerce staff and tech support, and I have to say that my interactions with them were always friendly, patient, and very helpful. The program itself with full source code was documented, and again the Tech Support staff was always available. Even now this guy Mark is, ironically, in communication with the company I presently work for about delivering an E-Commerce solution, and because of my previous experience with the company I am going to recommend AbleCommerce for the next major E-Commerce client we do work for. *pauses* *small grin* Visual Trend's Online Store Builder sure does give Ablecommerce a run for its money in looks though.. ;-) -Gel ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Able Commerce Electronic Software Delivery
Anyone out there go through the process of implementing ESD from Able 2.9 or 3.0? Any sites that can be recommended would be appreciated TIA! Pat -Original Message- From: Eric Dawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 12:33 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: (WFOT) Curling, Cold Fusion and Online Tools Yeah I am closer to creating that open source "sports Centre". But these damn day jobs, night jobs, and full-time play kind of cut into the recreational work. Does anyone have any CF applications specifically for curling? Not important. What I want to do, with sadness, is diagram our last shot in last nights curling action in Winnipeg. And to my suprise, there doesn't seem to be much out there. Maybe some Visio templates? with the sheet of ice, a skip, some rocks? :) nuthin. :( Does anyone have anything? I'll post whatever I do somewhere. (We are playing home up by two without the hammer. They have first shot with about a foot of separation from our second shot. Their rock is biting the back of four foot on one side of the house. Our rock just behind nibbling the 8ft directly behind. They have a guard about 4 ft from the house on the other side of the rings. Our skip decides to freeze or tap their stone. to force a tricky shot for tie. (I would have played the takeout myself, but the ice was tricky). Weight was good, Line was good. As we cross the hogline the rock catches a hair, the other turn, and curls an amazing 6 ft to raise their guard from the middle of nowhere to the 8 ft (second shot), and they are left with a draw for the win. :( which they confidently made. Unbelievable. I need to record this baby. Eric ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Able Commerce Guru's?
Hai! Any one out there know how to add text boxes to a product; for example shoe size that would populate the custom fields? Thanks, Will Will Ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.zerotoeighty.com w: 410-327-9152 f: 410-327-4086 -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Able Commerce Guru's?
Will, Hai! Any one out there know how to add text boxes to a product; for example shoe size that would populate the custom fields? "Yeah, you have to add 'options' (which has to be enabled first in Administrator), then you can assign prices to those options. So one set of options would be Shoe-Size or Colour - and they can be given different prices if needs be. Its in the online manual." The above is a quote from an ICQ from a friend who knows AbleCommerce pretty well Hope that helps. Regards Stephen -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Able Commerce Guru's?
Go into the ProdWiz? file that you are using for that store. If you are using custom wizards, this file will be located under your store install in the wizards directory. Look in your admin portion of the site and see which prodwiz you are using for this store, make a copy of it and add the copy as a new wizard and then change the code as needed. The customfield are already defined, you just have to edit how they are viewed. Larry Juncker Senior Cold Fusion Programmer Heartland Communications Group, Inc. -Original Message- From: Will Ryan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 7:47 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Able Commerce Guru's? Hai! Any one out there know how to add text boxes to a product; for example shoe size that would populate the custom fields? Thanks, Will Will Ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.zerotoeighty.com w: 410-327-9152 f: 410-327-4086 -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Able Commerce Help
I need to have an email option (trying to talk them out of this) along with a fax option for submitting orders. The email will be wrapped in a PGP tag. I'm too new at Able commerce to know if a wizard will do the trick. So I'm assuming I need to modify the app. Bonnie -Original Message- From: Emmet McGovern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 6:07 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Able Commerce Help Well, what kind of modifications do you need. Is it something you could just generate custom wizards with and import them directly into the page. Or are you changing the actual structure of the app. Emmet McGovern developer/ Byte Size Inc -Original Message- From: Russell, Bonnie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 6:07 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Able Commerce Help yes, I've followed their directions in the system administrators documentation, and that's how my troubles began. I need to have a complete copy of the program files since we'll be modifying them slightly for one customer. When we bought this package, that was one of the requirements and we have the developers edition. I've been all through their site and read most of their documentation. I have to admit, I'm the first at our company to actually use the able commerce, but as long as I don't change any mappings, there hasen't been any problems. This was supposed to be a 3 day project which is now going on 3 weeks and the customer is not happy and I'm getting to the point where ulcers look like welcome relief compared to the stress they're putting us under. Is there a particular FAQ that you're referring to? Thanks for the info Bonnie -Original Message- From: Emmet McGovern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 5:16 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Able Commerce Help You just need to have unique wizards or are you trying to dulicate the whole package? Have you checked out the extensive faq's on customization at the able website? Emmet McGovern developer/ Byte Size Inc -Original Message- From: Russell, Bonnie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 2:58 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Able Commerce Help Has anyone had experience using able commerce and customizing for a particular customer. What I need is to have a separate directory for program files for one customer while using the original able commerce program files for everyone else. Everytime I follow the directions to copy the files and change the mapping for my one store, all the stores stop working. I've been on the phone with able commerce, and so far they've given me nothing but the brush off. So how do you set up a store with it's own program files? Bonnie Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Able Commerce Help
I will be out of the office from Wednesday, 5/17 - Friday 5/19. If a page or part of the website is not functioning correctly, please call 303.770.8506 and provide your name, phone number and what is not functioning in as much detail as possible. Thank you. Dave Clay Web Facilitator -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebarRstsbodyRsts/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Able Commerce Help
I will be out of the office from Wednesday, 5/17 - Friday 5/19. If a page or part of the website is not functioning correctly, please call 303.770.8506 and provide your name, phone number and what is not functioning in as much detail as possible. Thank you. Dave Clay Web Facilitator -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebarRstsbodyRsts/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Able Commerce
This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --_=_NextPart_001_01BFBF37.565519EC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" May we have the URLs? Pretty Please! -Original Message- From: Paul's Mail [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 10:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Able Commerce Yep, I have 5 sites up with Able. Now installing their auction software. Paul Burgess -Original Message- From: Jake Hileman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 12:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Able Commerce Anyone use Able Commerce? if you do, tell me :-) Jake -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf _talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. --_=_NextPart_001_01BFBF37.565519EC Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN" HTML HEAD META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1" META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version = 5.5.2650.12" TITLERE: Able Commerce/TITLE /HEAD BODY PFONT SIZE=3D2May we have the URLs?nbsp; Pretty Please!/FONT /P PFONT SIZE=3D2-Original Message-/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2From: Paul's Mail [A = HREF=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A]/FONT= BRFONT SIZE=3D2Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 10:09 PM/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2Subject: RE: Able Commerce/FONT /P BR PFONT SIZE=3D2Yep,/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; I have 5 sites up with Able. Now = installing their auction software./FONT /P PFONT SIZE=3D2Paul Burgess/FONT /P PFONT SIZE=3D2gt; -Original Message-/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2gt; From: Jake Hileman [A = HREF=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A]/FON= T BRFONT SIZE=3D2gt; Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 12:21 AM/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2gt; To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2gt; Subject: Able Commerce/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2gt;/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2gt;/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2gt; Anyone use Able Commerce?/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2gt;/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2gt; if you do, tell me :-)/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2gt;/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2gt; Jake/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2gt;/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2gt; = --/FONT= BRFONT SIZE=3D2gt; /FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2gt; Archives: A = HREF=3D"http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk" = TARGET=3D"_blank"http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk/A/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2gt; To Unsubscribe visit/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2gt; A = HREF=3D"http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=3Dlistsbody=3Dli= sts/cf" = TARGET=3D"_blank"http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=3Dlists= body=3Dlists/cf/A/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2_talk or send a message to = [EMAIL PROTECTED] with/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2'unsubscribe' in the body./FONT /P PFONT = SIZE=3D2---= ---/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2Archives: A = HREF=3D"http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk" = TARGET=3D"_blank"http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk/A/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2To Unsubscribe visit A = HREF=3D"http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=3Dlistsbody=3Dli= sts/cf_talk" = TARGET=3D"_blank"http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=3Dlists= body=3Dlists/cf_talk/A or send a message to = [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the = body./FONT/P /BODY /HTML --_=_NextPart_001_01BFBF37.565519EC-- -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Able Commerce
Yes I do Jake; Below are URLS to some of my ACB Sites. www.artdealmall.com www.trophiesplus.com www.agdealmall.com www.shoppersfarmstore.com www.musichotbidmall.com H Larry Juncker L Senior Cold Fusion Programmer I Heartland Communications Group Internet Division -Original Message- From: Jake Hileman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 6:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Able Commerce Anyone use Able Commerce? if you do, tell me :-) Jake -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Able Commerce
here are some:- http://www.fishtec.co.uk The above one incorporates a lot of Flash eg rods - delta counter. http://www.timesreaderoffers.co.uk Paul Burgess -Original Message- From: Padraig I.J. Burns [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 2:05 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Able Commerce This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --_=_NextPart_001_01BFBF37.565519EC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" May we have the URLs? Pretty Please! -Original Message- From: Paul's Mail [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 10:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Able Commerce Yep, I have 5 sites up with Able. Now installing their auction software. Paul Burgess -Original Message- From: Jake Hileman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 12:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Able Commerce Anyone use Able Commerce? if you do, tell me :-) Jake -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf _talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- -- -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. --_=_NextPart_001_01BFBF37.565519EC Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN" HTML HEAD META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1" META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version = 5.5.2650.12" TITLERE: Able Commerce/TITLE /HEAD BODY PFONT SIZE=3D2May we have the URLs?nbsp; Pretty Please!/FONT /P PFONT SIZE=3D2-Original Message-/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2From: Paul's Mail [A = HREF=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A]/FONT= BRFONT SIZE=3D2Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 10:09 PM/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2Subject: RE: Able Commerce/FONT /P BR PFONT SIZE=3D2Yep,/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; I have 5 sites up with Able. Now = installing their auction software./FONT /P PFONT SIZE=3D2Paul Burgess/FONT /P PFONT SIZE=3D2gt; -Original Message-/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2gt; From: Jake Hileman [A = HREF=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A]/FON= T BRFONT SIZE=3D2gt; Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 12:21 AM/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2gt; To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2gt; Subject: Able Commerce/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2gt;/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2gt;/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2gt; Anyone use Able Commerce?/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2gt;/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2gt; if you do, tell me :-)/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2gt;/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2gt; Jake/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2gt;/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2gt; = --/FONT= BRFONT SIZE=3D2gt; /FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2gt; Archives: A = HREF=3D"http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk" = TARGET=3D"_blank"http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk/A/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2gt; To Unsubscribe visit/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2gt; A = HREF=3D"http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=3Dlistsbody=3Dli= sts/cf" = TARGET=3D"_blank"http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=3Dlists= body=3Dlists/cf/A/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2_talk or send a message to = [EMAIL PROTECTED] with/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2'unsubscribe' in the body./FONT /P PFONT = SIZE=3D2---= ---/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2Archives: A = HREF=3D"http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk" = TARGET=3D"_blank"http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk/A/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2To Unsubscribe visit A = HREF=3D"http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=3Dlistsbody=3Dli= sts/cf_talk" = TARGET=3D"_blank"http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=3Dlists= body=3Dlists/cf_talk/A or send a message to = [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the = body./FONT/P /BODY /HTML --_=_NextPart_001_01BFBF37.565519EC-- -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf _talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. ---
RE: Able Commerce - more URLs
As you work from the top to the bottom of this list you go from a store (Buddy Davis) where we as the web developer we maintain total control and maintenance to a store (Skim City) where the client did 90% of the set up and 100% of the maintenance with in house personnel. www.buddydavis.com - Ship's Store www.exotic-cargo.com - Exotic Shopping www.oar-nc.com - Rental Catalogue www.flagfinder.com - Flag Store www.nextdayseafood.com - Order Quality Seafood www.meob.com - Store www.birthday-suits.com - Product Line www.jeaninescathouse.com - Cat Store www.worldwideshells.com - Shell Store www.skimcity.com - Online Store -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Able Commerce Help
Well, what kind of modifications do you need. Is it something you could just generate custom wizards with and import them directly into the page. Or are you changing the actual structure of the app. Emmet McGovern developer/ Byte Size Inc -Original Message- From: Russell, Bonnie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 6:07 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Able Commerce Help yes, I've followed their directions in the system administrators documentation, and that's how my troubles began. I need to have a complete copy of the program files since we'll be modifying them slightly for one customer. When we bought this package, that was one of the requirements and we have the developers edition. I've been all through their site and read most of their documentation. I have to admit, I'm the first at our company to actually use the able commerce, but as long as I don't change any mappings, there hasen't been any problems. This was supposed to be a 3 day project which is now going on 3 weeks and the customer is not happy and I'm getting to the point where ulcers look like welcome relief compared to the stress they're putting us under. Is there a particular FAQ that you're referring to? Thanks for the info Bonnie -Original Message- From: Emmet McGovern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 5:16 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Able Commerce Help You just need to have unique wizards or are you trying to dulicate the whole package? Have you checked out the extensive faq's on customization at the able website? Emmet McGovern developer/ Byte Size Inc -Original Message- From: Russell, Bonnie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 2:58 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Able Commerce Help Has anyone had experience using able commerce and customizing for a particular customer. What I need is to have a separate directory for program files for one customer while using the original able commerce program files for everyone else. Everytime I follow the directions to copy the files and change the mapping for my one store, all the stores stop working. I've been on the phone with able commerce, and so far they've given me nothing but the brush off. So how do you set up a store with it's own program files? Bonnie Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Able Commerce Help
Has anyone had experience using able commerce and customizing for a particular customer. What I need is to have a separate directory for program files for one customer while using the original able commerce program files for everyone else. Everytime I follow the directions to copy the files and change the mapping for my one store, all the stores stop working. I've been on the phone with able commerce, and so far they've given me nothing but the brush off. So how do you set up a store with it's own program files? Bonnie Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Able Commerce Help
You just need to have unique wizards or are you trying to dulicate the whole package? Have you checked out the extensive faq's on customization at the able website? Emmet McGovern developer/ Byte Size Inc -Original Message- From: Russell, Bonnie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 2:58 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Able Commerce Help Has anyone had experience using able commerce and customizing for a particular customer. What I need is to have a separate directory for program files for one customer while using the original able commerce program files for everyone else. Everytime I follow the directions to copy the files and change the mapping for my one store, all the stores stop working. I've been on the phone with able commerce, and so far they've given me nothing but the brush off. So how do you set up a store with it's own program files? Bonnie Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Able Commerce Help
yes, I've followed their directions in the system administrators documentation, and that's how my troubles began. I need to have a complete copy of the program files since we'll be modifying them slightly for one customer. When we bought this package, that was one of the requirements and we have the developers edition. I've been all through their site and read most of their documentation. I have to admit, I'm the first at our company to actually use the able commerce, but as long as I don't change any mappings, there hasen't been any problems. This was supposed to be a 3 day project which is now going on 3 weeks and the customer is not happy and I'm getting to the point where ulcers look like welcome relief compared to the stress they're putting us under. Is there a particular FAQ that you're referring to? Thanks for the info Bonnie -Original Message- From: Emmet McGovern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 5:16 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Able Commerce Help You just need to have unique wizards or are you trying to dulicate the whole package? Have you checked out the extensive faq's on customization at the able website? Emmet McGovern developer/ Byte Size Inc -Original Message- From: Russell, Bonnie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 2:58 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Able Commerce Help Has anyone had experience using able commerce and customizing for a particular customer. What I need is to have a separate directory for program files for one customer while using the original able commerce program files for everyone else. Everytime I follow the directions to copy the files and change the mapping for my one store, all the stores stop working. I've been on the phone with able commerce, and so far they've given me nothing but the brush off. So how do you set up a store with it's own program files? Bonnie Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Able Commerce
Anyone use Able Commerce? if you do, tell me :-) Jake -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Able Commerce
Yep, I have 5 sites up with Able. Now installing their auction software. Paul Burgess -Original Message- From: Jake Hileman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 12:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Able Commerce Anyone use Able Commerce? if you do, tell me :-) Jake -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf _talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Able Commerce
At 07:20 PM 5/15/2000 -0400, you wrote: Anyone use Able Commerce? if you do, tell me :-) We have used it at http://www.rivermyst.com -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Able Commerce
Love it, love it, love it, and it's reasonably priced with good support. 'Nuff said. Check out: www.tooters.net Katie -Original Message- From: Les Mizzell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 10:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Able Commerce Wejust purchased cfwebstore - at $150 for full source it's a pretty good deal (www.cfwebstore.com) Howie Hamlin I'm currently evaluating a number of options. I'd love further comments on the above product. Do you have anything live running at the moment that uses it? Any problems with configuration/customization or anything? Inquiring minds and all. Thanks Les Mizzell *** Who needs Intel? Athlon Inside!!! -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Able Commerce
Did you go to the site and look? cfwebstore was developed by Mary Jo Sminkey. There's a link at the website to email her. -Original Message- From: Gollamudi, Jay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 8:41 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Able Commerce Just curious who is www.cfwebstore.com? What is the contact numbers for cfwebstore.com ? Able commerce E-Commerce solution is AbleCommerce2.9 -Original Message- From: Howell, Katie [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 7:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Able Commerce Love it, love it, love it, and it's reasonably priced with good support. 'Nuff said. Check out: www.tooters.net Katie -Original Message- From: Les Mizzell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 10:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Able Commerce Wejust purchased cfwebstore - at $150 for full source it's a pretty good deal (www.cfwebstore.com) Howie Hamlin I'm currently evaluating a number of options. I'd love further comments on the above product. Do you have anything live running at the moment that uses it? Any problems with configuration/customization or anything? Inquiring minds and all. Thanks Les Mizzell *** Who needs Intel? Athlon Inside!!! -- -- -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Able Commerce
Just curious did you go to www.cfwebstore.com and look for them first? - Original Message - From: "Gollamudi, Jay" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 7:41 AM Subject: RE: Able Commerce Just curious who is www.cfwebstore.com? What is the contact numbers for cfwebstore.com ? Able commerce E-Commerce solution is AbleCommerce2.9 -Original Message- From: Howell, Katie [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 7:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Able Commerce Love it, love it, love it, and it's reasonably priced with good support. 'Nuff said. Check out: www.tooters.net Katie -Original Message- From: Les Mizzell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 10:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Able Commerce Wejust purchased cfwebstore - at $150 for full source it's a pretty good deal (www.cfwebstore.com) Howie Hamlin I'm currently evaluating a number of options. I'd love further comments on the above product. Do you have anything live running at the moment that uses it? Any problems with configuration/customization or anything? Inquiring minds and all. Thanks Les Mizzell *** Who needs Intel? Athlon Inside!!! -- -- -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Able Commerce
Just amazying man.. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Able Commerce
Does anyone out there have tips on how to use Able Commerce to lay out your e-commerce site? It seems to function fine, but the interface is so cumbersome I am having a bear of a time setting up a site that looks the way I want it to look. We are in the process of buying the source code, so if you have suggestions on how to use it effectively I would appreciate it. For that matter, if anyone has used a different third-party e-commerce solution, I'd love to hear if something worked well. Thanks! -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Able Commerce
Wejust purchased cfwebstore - at $150 for full source it's a pretty good deal (www.cfwebstore.com) Howie Hamlin -- inFusion Project Manager; On-Line Data Solutions, Inc. (631)737-4668 === Please vote for iMS in the Most Innovative category here: *** http://www.sys-con.com/ColdFusion/readerschoice2000/ *** === Check out inFusion Mail Server - the world's most configurable email server *** inFusion Authenticator for IIS is now released! (download from CoolFusion.com) *** http://www.teletrends.com and http://www.coolfusion.com Software and utilities for ColdFusion, iHTML, Website, NTMail Latest versions available from our web site (inFusion Authenticator version 2.0 for WebSite and NTMail is now released) - Original Message - From: Mark Yim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 8:03 PM Subject: Able Commerce Does anyone out there have tips on how to use Able Commerce to lay out your e-commerce site? It seems to function fine, but the interface is so cumbersome I am having a bear of a time setting up a site that looks the way I want it to look. We are in the process of buying the source code, so if you have suggestions on how to use it effectively I would appreciate it. For that matter, if anyone has used a different third-party e-commerce solution, I'd love to hear if something worked well. Thanks! -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Able Commerce
Wejust purchased cfwebstore - at $150 for full source it's a pretty good deal (www.cfwebstore.com) Howie Hamlin I'm currently evaluating a number of options. I'd love further comments on the above product. Do you have anything live running at the moment that uses it? Any problems with configuration/customization or anything? Inquiring minds and all. Thanks Les Mizzell *** Who needs Intel? Athlon Inside!!! -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Able Commerce
We have one site that will be rolling out soon. I'm not doing the coding so I can't comment on the specifics except that this is what the other coders here have decided to use and you can't beat the price... Regards, Howie - Original Message - From: Les Mizzell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 10:12 PM Subject: RE: Able Commerce Wejust purchased cfwebstore - at $150 for full source it's a pretty good deal (www.cfwebstore.com) Howie Hamlin I'm currently evaluating a number of options. I'd love further comments on the above product. Do you have anything live running at the moment that uses it? Any problems with configuration/customization or anything? Inquiring minds and all. Thanks Les Mizzell *** Who needs Intel? Athlon Inside!!! -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Able Commerce knock-off
snip The guy has already apologized for it. Drop it please. Consider it dropped. I hadn't received that message at that point; when combined with 48 straight hours of being force-fed PL/SQL for a project far better served by CF, I guess it just brought out the smartass in me. We now return you to your regularly-scheduled Mozilla-thrashing. :) Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in black wearing berets." - Dave Watts, on Mozilla "The net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it." - John Gilmore -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Able Commerce knock-off
Do you really want to purchase from a product that is so obviously built while looking at the AbleCommerce Builder product? What does this say about the company? (AbleCommerce Marketing Guide, Step 1: Question competitor's ethics for DARING to model their offering on your own flagship product.) The fusebox "like" AuctionBuilder product is ONE example of the future of our products, which we are releasing many this year. (AbleCommerce Marketing Guide, Step 2: Hype your product by comparing it to the well-known and widely-used standard you modeled it on.) Am I reading your intent incorrectly, or did you just attain Zen-like balance by perfecting a 1-to-1 foot/mouth ratio? Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in black wearing berets." - Dave Watts, on Mozilla "The net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it." - John Gilmore -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Able Commerce knock-off
Its common and even expected of people who work for companies to back their own products as the best, and one and only true product. The guy has already apologized for it. Drop it please. We/I have better things to do than read people griping on this list and its gone on long and far enough. We are here to help each other out during those all too rare occasions that our minds go blank and our coffee and chocolate buzz has worn off. My grand-daddy used to say that opinions are like (censored expletive)s everybody's got one and they're all full of (another censored expletive). Can we all get back to being nice friendly, unstressed little developers who just want to be better at what they love to do Thank-you for attention in this matter, Fred T. Sanders Galveston Island, TX -- Having a bad day? Imagine this... You are in total seclusion from that hectic place called "The World". The soothing sound of a gentle waterfall fills the air with a cascading serenity. The water is clear. You can easily make out the face of the person you are holding underwater. Feeling better? - Original Message - From: "Brandon Whitaker" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 6:43 AM Subject: Re: "Able Commerce knock-off" Do you really want to purchase from a product that is so obviously built while looking at the AbleCommerce Builder product? What does this say about the company? (AbleCommerce Marketing Guide, Step 1: Question competitor's ethics for DARING to model their offering on your own flagship product.) The fusebox "like" AuctionBuilder product is ONE example of the future of our products, which we are releasing many this year. (AbleCommerce Marketing Guide, Step 2: Hype your product by comparing it to the well-known and widely-used standard you modeled it on.) Am I reading your intent incorrectly, or did you just attain Zen-like balance by perfecting a 1-to-1 foot/mouth ratio? Brandon Whitaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "It'll get used by the same people using Opera. People dressed in black wearing berets." - Dave Watts, on Mozilla "The net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it." - John Gilmore -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Able Commerce knock-off
Hello CF-Talk, As everyone like's to read more into my statements than is needed, and given the fact that except on this list we very very VERY rarely run into any of the competitors at this level and our honest competitors (the ones we're normally compaired to, Adrian) are IBM, Microsoft, OpenMarket and IntershopI'm doneSorry...Thanks...WhateverHave a nice dayI have to go beat up on Bill Gates now ;)~ Best Regards, Mike Randolph P.S. I guess marketing is right, I should never never never post to these lists...bad mike, no cookie. - From: Mike Randolph [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 April 2000 19:12 The fusebox "like" AuctionBuilder product is ONE example of the future of our products, which we are releasing many this year. What does "fusebox like" mean - does it mean it conforms totally to fusebox, or it conforms to your interpretation of fusebox, or to your intepretation of what fusebox should be? I'm sure on the flexibility point we are the winner, as far as price goes we have set it FAR below all of our "honest competitors" and yet still have enough Define "honest". margin in it to allow for support, Research Development and exspansion of the company. IBM, Microsoft, OpenMarket, and Intershop hate running into us, our product is much easer to get started with than any of those products that offer "similar" levels of features and COMPANY SUPPORT. I think that applies to most CF based products of this type - that is the strength of CF. As for support - you are making the somewhat biased assumption that only you provide it. The ONLY reason I originally posted was because the copyright and patent laws of our country suck, but our country's ethics don't?Go try to "knock off" a song, book or corporate logo...etc. It is obvious to me that the reason you have gone to such extremes to defend your product is because you are seriously concerned about the competition. If you were not concerned about the competition, and your product stood on its own as unsurpassable, you wouldn't have to. You keep mentioning AuctionBuilder - this discussion is not about AuctionBuilder it is about Able Commerce - how about addressing the concerns of your potential customers? Adrian Cooper. --- --- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless?
We are an Able Commerce customer and paid the "big bucks" for the source code version. The product is very powerful but not user friendly and more than a little obfuscated. If you're having trouble with one store you can imagine our fun developing and hosting multiple sites at once. I recently discovered an Able Commerce knock-off called CFWebstore which might be a much better solution for smaller stores. CFWebstore costs $150, less in quantities. http://www.cfwebstore.com I don't know anything about the product but the price is definitely right. $150 for full source code. At that price you can afford to do some bug fixing. We're thinking about giving our customers the choice of which software they want us to use for their site. --Bill At 02:44 PM 4/16/00 , you wrote: I am only about 4 months into Cold Fusion. Able is the first CF store package for me to use. I have been very frustrated with it's "Wizards" mostly due to a lack or non-integration of help files. Figuring out how to customize something is mostly a 'try and see what happens' process. Their documentation is not easily accessible as far as trying to find specifically what you want to do. I started with the standard version and was too limited, so I had to upgrade to the open source. I'm not saying they do this, but it almost seems that they limit what you can do just so you'll have to pay another $1500 for open source. I'm just starting to get comfortable with it and would probably use it again since I would be much more familiar with it the next time around. The backend is very solid and with my limited experience with CF I wouldn't even want to try to build everything the program does. If I were able to give Able some advice, it would be to add a help button to every page of the admin section. Hitting the button would load a pop up window with help that is specific to where you are in the program. This would have saved me hours in learning it... and having to call support to figure it out. Chris Giminez Owner - Cyber Scriber Web Site Design 831-728-4469 ICQ# 2628000 I have tried to get Able Commerce which is built on Cold Fusion templates up and running as an e-commerce solution. Problem is the program seems so utterly rigid in deployment that there's no way to get into the pages to customize the look. The basic look made by Able Commerce is so ugly that the resulting pages make one desire to throw up. Hence changing the look is critical, yet apparently impossible when you go to the editing web pages section. Is Able Commerce truly an impossible program to work with and could anyone for the love of God please recommend something more user friendly and actually usable. We've lost a good two weeks messing around with Able Commerce, it has all in all been a highly frustrating experience. Would appreciate a reference to any other shopping cart e-commerce solution. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. - Bill Poff - ICN.NET INTERNET HOSTING - DEVELOPMENT - CONSULTING SERVICES PO Box 2570, Roanoke, VA 24010 - 540-343-8322 - Fax: 540-343-0691 - -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless?
I was extremely impressed with cfwebstore. Very customizable, and the developer (Mary Jo Sminky) has a support forum and mail list if you run into problems. Anytime I posted to the forum or list I had a response within 24 hours. A great deal for $150. -Original Message- From: Bill Poff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 11:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless? We are an Able Commerce customer and paid the "big bucks" for the source code version. The product is very powerful but not user friendly and more than a little obfuscated. If you're having trouble with one store you can imagine our fun developing and hosting multiple sites at once. I recently discovered an Able Commerce knock-off called CFWebstore which might be a much better solution for smaller stores. CFWebstore costs $150, less in quantities. http://www.cfwebstore.com I don't know anything about the product but the price is definitely right. $150 for full source code. At that price you can afford to do some bug fixing. We're thinking about giving our customers the choice of which software they want us to use for their site. --Bill At 02:44 PM 4/16/00 , you wrote: I am only about 4 months into Cold Fusion. Able is the first CF store package for me to use. I have been very frustrated with it's "Wizards" mostly due to a lack or non-integration of help files. Figuring out how to customize something is mostly a 'try and see what happens' process. Their documentation is not easily accessible as far as trying to find specifically what you want to do. I started with the standard version and was too limited, so I had to upgrade to the open source. I'm not saying they do this, but it almost seems that they limit what you can do just so you'll have to pay another $1500 for open source. I'm just starting to get comfortable with it and would probably use it again since I would be much more familiar with it the next time around. The backend is very solid and with my limited experience with CF I wouldn't even want to try to build everything the program does. If I were able to give Able some advice, it would be to add a help button to every page of the admin section. Hitting the button would load a pop up window with help that is specific to where you are in the program. This would have saved me hours in learning it... and having to call support to figure it out. Chris Giminez Owner - Cyber Scriber Web Site Design 831-728-4469 ICQ# 2628000 I have tried to get Able Commerce which is built on Cold Fusion templates up and running as an e-commerce solution. Problem is the program seems so utterly rigid in deployment that there's no way to get into the pages to customize the look. The basic look made by Able Commerce is so ugly that the resulting pages make one desire to throw up. Hence changing the look is critical, yet apparently impossible when you go to the editing web pages section. Is Able Commerce truly an impossible program to work with and could anyone for the love of God please recommend something more user friendly and actually usable. We've lost a good two weeks messing around with Able Commerce, it has all in all been a highly frustrating experience. Would appreciate a reference to any other shopping cart e-commerce solution. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. --- --- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. - Bill Poff - ICN.NET INTERNET HOSTING - DEVELOPMENT - CONSULTING SERVICES PO Box 2570, Roanoke, VA 24010 - 540-343-8322 - Fax: 540-343-0691 - -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Able Commerce knock-off
Hello CF-Talk, "Able Commerce knock-off called " Do you really want to purchase from a product that is so obviously built while looking at the AbleCommerce Builder product? What does this say about the company? We pride ourselves at AbleCommerce in providing original solutions to tough e-business issues. Look at our new AuctionBuilder product to see where our new products are headed, BEFORE you drop your money on the table. AbleCommerce Builder is a proven product, with proven support and a proven company behind it. Cheers, Mike Randolph -Original Message- From: Bill Poff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, April 20, 2000 7:59 AM Subject: Re: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless? We are an Able Commerce customer and paid the "big bucks" for the source code version. The product is very powerful but not user friendly and more than a little obfuscated. If you're having trouble with one store you can imagine our fun developing and hosting multiple sites at once. I recently discovered an Able Commerce knock-off called CFWebstore which might be a much better solution for smaller stores. CFWebstore costs $150, less in quantities. http://www.cfwebstore.com I don't know anything about the product but the price is definitely right. $150 for full source code. At that price you can afford to do some bug fixing. We're thinking about giving our customers the choice of which software they want us to use for their site. --Bill At 02:44 PM 4/16/00 , you wrote: I am only about 4 months into Cold Fusion. Able is the first CF store package for me to use. I have been very frustrated with it's "Wizards" mostly due to a lack or non-integration of help files. Figuring out how to customize something is mostly a 'try and see what happens' process. Their documentation is not easily accessible as far as trying to find specifically what you want to do. I started with the standard version and was too limited, so I had to upgrade to the open source. I'm not saying they do this, but it almost seems that they limit what you can do just so you'll have to pay another $1500 for open source. I'm just starting to get comfortable with it and would probably use it again since I would be much more familiar with it the next time around. The backend is very solid and with my limited experience with CF I wouldn't even want to try to build everything the program does. If I were able to give Able some advice, it would be to add a help button to every page of the admin section. Hitting the button would load a pop up window with help that is specific to where you are in the program. This would have saved me hours in learning it... and having to call support to figure it out. Chris Giminez Owner - Cyber Scriber Web Site Design 831-728-4469 ICQ# 2628000 I have tried to get Able Commerce which is built on Cold Fusion templates up and running as an e-commerce solution. Problem is the program seems so utterly rigid in deployment that there's no way to get into the pages to customize the look. The basic look made by Able Commerce is so ugly that the resulting pages make one desire to throw up. Hence changing the look is critical, yet apparently impossible when you go to the editing web pages section. Is Able Commerce truly an impossible program to work with and could anyone for the love of God please recommend something more user friendly and actually usable. We've lost a good two weeks messing around with Able Commerce, it has all in all been a highly frustrating experience. Would appreciate a reference to any other shopping cart e-commerce solution. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. - Bill Poff - ICN.NET INTERNET HOSTING - DEVELOPMENT - CONSULTING SERVICES PO Box 2570, Roanoke, VA 24010 - 540-343-8322 - Fax: 540-343-0691 - --- --- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http:
RE: CFWebStore - Was Is Able Commerce etc..
Does CF WebStore: a) Support CyberCash Yes b) Customer online order tracking No c) ESD - Electronic Softgood Distribution Don't know. see http://www.cfwebstore.com for more info HTH Katie -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Able Commerce knock-off
- Original Message - From: Mike Randolph [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 April 2000 17:20 Do you really want to purchase from a product that is so obviously built while looking at the AbleCommerce Builder product? What does this say about the company? It says to me that they recognise the good qualities of your product, whilst also recognising the defficiencies as they perceive them to be - and apparently others perceive them to be as well. If they can address those issues at 1/10 of the price - then good luck to them I say. If CF WebShop does everything AbleCommerce does, is more flexible, and 1/10 of the price for open source - where would_you_put your eCommerce platform dollars? We pride ourselves at AbleCommerce in providing original solutions to tough e-business issues. Look at our new AuctionBuilder product to see where our new products are headed, The disucssion is not about Auction products, it is about eStore products. BEFORE you drop your money on the table. AbleCommerce Builder is a proven product, with proven support and a proven company behind it. That as may be - but it doesn't mean that you can be arrogant or complacent about it. Being first to market, or market leader isn't always good enough unless you are M$ or Inte$. Over here at least we have a saying - "the customer is always right" - which means that you should listen to your customers and act acordingly. If your customers say that your product is difficult to customise, too expensive for open source etc., - then you should listen to them. I for one don't have a problem with AbleCommerce, and I certainly do recognise its significance and standing, but that does not mean you are unique in that. Instead of telling us how great your product is, how about addressing the issues of flexibility and price? Adrian Cooper. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Able Commerce knock-off
Hello CF-Talk, When you are purchasing any product, the future MUST be considered if growth is planned? The fusebox "like" AuctionBuilder product is ONE example of the future of our products, which we are releasing many this year. I'm sure on the flexibility point we are the winner, as far as price goes we have set it FAR below all of our "honest competitors" and yet still have enough margin in it to allow for support, Research Development and exspansion of the company. IBM, Microsoft, OpenMarket, and Intershop hate running into us, our product is much easer to get started with than any of those products that offer "similar" levels of features and COMPANY SUPPORT. One of our new customers spent 3 months trying to get IBM's solution to work, angry with the problems one of the developers went home early on Friday and downloaded our software. Returning to work on Monday with an almost fully completed site they dropped the IBM solution in favor of ours. The ONLY reason I originally posted was because the copyright and patent laws of our country suck, but our country's ethics don't?Go try to "knock off" a song, book or corporate logo...etc. VERY Respectfully yours, Mike Randolph Do you really want to purchase from a product that is so obviously built while looking at the AbleCommerce Builder product? What does this say about the company? It says to me that they recognise the good qualities of your product, whilst also recognising the defficiencies as they perceive them to be - and apparently others perceive them to be as well. If they can address those issues at 1/10 of the price - then good luck to them I say. If CF WebShop does everything AbleCommerce does, is more flexible, and 1/10 of the price for open source - where would_you_put your eCommerce platform dollars? We pride ourselves at AbleCommerce in providing original solutions to tough e-business issues. Look at our new AuctionBuilder product to see where our new products are headed, The disucssion is not about Auction products, it is about eStore products. BEFORE you drop your money on the table. AbleCommerce Builder is a proven product, with proven support and a proven company behind it. That as may be - but it doesn't mean that you can be arrogant or complacent about it. Being first to market, or market leader isn't always good enough unless you are M$ or Inte$. Over here at least we have a saying - "the customer is always right" - which means that you should listen to your customers and act acordingly. If your customers say that your product is difficult to customise, too expensive for open source etc., - then you should listen to them. I for one don't have a problem with AbleCommerce, and I certainly do recognise its significance and standing, but that does not mean you are unique in that. Instead of telling us how great your product is, how about addressing the issues of flexibility and price? Adrian Cooper. --- --- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Able Commerce knock-off
The ONLY reason I originally posted was because the copyright and patent laws of our country suck, but our country's ethics don't?Go try to "knock off" a song, book or corporate logo...etc. Are you implying that CFWebstore lifted code directly from your product or are you simply upset that they offer a viable product that offers "similar" features, though perhaps not as extensive, at a significantly lower price? I'm really just curious having never used either apart from checking out eval versions. I will tell you, though, that the implications behind your comments leave me with a negative impression of AbleCommerce unless you have some specific claim to make regarding the other product...it just sounds like sour grapes directed at a smaller competitor. Ken Wilson -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Able Commerce knock-off
At 11:12 AM 4/20/00 -0700, you wrote: The ONLY reason I originally posted was because the copyright and patent laws of our country suck, but our country's ethics don't?Go try to "knock off" a song, book or corporate logo...etc. I take it you've never heard the phrase "inspired by." Songs, books, and logos are all derivative. Whether you incorporate an idea from a work or deliberately avoid it, all songs, books, and logos have pieces taken from multiple sources, even if unintentionally. There is very little new ground to cover in any of these fields EXCEPT which sources new work draws from. Of course, in those fields it's a sign of a good work to have someone draw from your ideas. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, remember? As a writer, I can tell you that when you write there are certain things that you do. You present work in a format appropriate to the subject matter, in language appropriate to the subject matter, in a way that you think appeals to the intended reader. Applying the same theory to this discussion, this other company has drawn from your company's ideas and made what they think are improvements. They make these improvements by drawing from other sources. They have used a format that suits the intention of the product and fits the intended user. If your product does the same thing and has the same intended user, they are likely to be similar. That isn't theft of ideas, that's completely natural. People can call it a knock-off, but knock-offs don't include improvements. They probably call it a knock-off because it seems similar. If you have a problem with this, I have to wonder why. It's not like they went in and stole your source code or it would be against the contracts they were under when they got the source, and therefore illegal. Open source doesn't mean you can take code out of it and incorporate it into a product. They built upon a good idea that already existed, but they added to the idea. And you sound very threatened by that. While your AuctionBuilder product may be very valuable, if you are threatened by AbleCommerce competition, that is the sign of a problem with the product. While focusing your company's efforts on this auction product and '*away* from AbleCommerce, which is what you are implying, AbleCommerce will lose technological ground. Instead of resting on your laurels, you could innovate with AbleCommerce-- add new features, make it more flexible, incorporate better techniques to get the same job done. It might delay the release of AuctionBuilder, but in the meantime, you wouldn't be losing ground. Allaire certainly didn't stop at ColdFusion version 1 or even version 2. Everyday people decide on new things to do on their websites; if your product can't keep up you will lose ground in the market and have only yourself to blame. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Able Commerce knock-off
- Original Message - From: Mike Randolph [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 April 2000 19:12 The fusebox "like" AuctionBuilder product is ONE example of the future of our products, which we are releasing many this year. What does "fusebox like" mean - does it mean it conforms totally to fusebox, or it conforms to your interpretation of fusebox, or to your intepretation of what fusebox should be? I'm sure on the flexibility point we are the winner, as far as price goes we have set it FAR below all of our "honest competitors" and yet still have enough Define "honest". margin in it to allow for support, Research Development and exspansion of the company. IBM, Microsoft, OpenMarket, and Intershop hate running into us, our product is much easer to get started with than any of those products that offer "similar" levels of features and COMPANY SUPPORT. I think that applies to most CF based products of this type - that is the strength of CF. As for support - you are making the somewhat biased assumption that only you provide it. The ONLY reason I originally posted was because the copyright and patent laws of our country suck, but our country's ethics don't?Go try to "knock off" a song, book or corporate logo...etc. It is obvious to me that the reason you have gone to such extremes to defend your product is because you are seriously concerned about the competition. If you were not concerned about the competition, and your product stood on its own as unsurpassable, you wouldn't have to. You keep mentioning AuctionBuilder - this discussion is not about AuctionBuilder it is about Able Commerce - how about addressing the concerns of your potential customers? Adrian Cooper. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Able Commerce knock-off
Now that was probably the first post in this thread that was really worth reading.. Thanks SHane -Original Message- From: Jennifer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 1:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: "Able Commerce knock-off" At 11:12 AM 4/20/00 -0700, you wrote: The ONLY reason I originally posted was because the copyright and patent laws of our country suck, but our country's ethics don't?Go try to "knock off" a song, book or corporate logo...etc. I take it you've never heard the phrase "inspired by." Songs, books, and logos are all derivative. Whether you incorporate an idea from a work or deliberately avoid it, all songs, books, and logos have pieces taken from multiple sources, even if unintentionally. There is very little new ground to cover in any of these fields EXCEPT which sources new work draws from. Of course, in those fields it's a sign of a good work to have someone draw from your ideas. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, remember? As a writer, I can tell you that when you write there are certain things that you do. You present work in a format appropriate to the subject matter, in language appropriate to the subject matter, in a way that you think appeals to the intended reader. Applying the same theory to this discussion, this other company has drawn from your company's ideas and made what they think are improvements. They make these improvements by drawing from other sources. They have used a format that suits the intention of the product and fits the intended user. If your product does the same thing and has the same intended user, they are likely to be similar. That isn't theft of ideas, that's completely natural. People can call it a knock-off, but knock-offs don't include improvements. They probably call it a knock-off because it seems similar. If you have a problem with this, I have to wonder why. It's not like they went in and stole your source code or it would be against the contracts they were under when they got the source, and therefore illegal. Open source doesn't mean you can take code out of it and incorporate it into a product. They built upon a good idea that already existed, but they added to the idea. And you sound very threatened by that. While your AuctionBuilder product may be very valuable, if you are threatened by AbleCommerce competition, that is the sign of a problem with the product. While focusing your company's efforts on this auction product and '*away* from AbleCommerce, which is what you are implying, AbleCommerce will lose technological ground. Instead of resting on your laurels, you could innovate with AbleCommerce-- add new features, make it more flexible, incorporate better techniques to get the same job done. It might delay the release of AuctionBuilder, but in the meantime, you wouldn't be losing ground. Allaire certainly didn't stop at ColdFusion version 1 or even version 2. Everyday people decide on new things to do on their websites; if your product can't keep up you will lose ground in the market and have only yourself to blame. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Anyone know good Able Commerce hosting company?
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Anyone know good Able Commerce hosting company?
Does anyone know of a good Able Commerce hosting vendor? I am running into too many problems with the current vendor, mapping incorrect, e-mail not POP acct not working, etc. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless?
I have a site with 3 categories: 1. VANS 2. TRUCKS 3. SUVS So what I need to do is have three tabs on the home page, each tab going to a page that has the group listings of each category on the next page. So if a visitor clicks on VANS, they go to a page with a nice picture of a van and a listing of all VAN products. When they click on a product, they see a display, etc. This I have not been able to accomplish with Able Commerce's so called wizards. Next, I need to change the icons, that I agree is not such a big deal but I was amazed that they would have enough courage to ship their product with such an ugly set. A real montrosity, I share this to vent my frustration with the user-unfriendliness of the product. I couldn't even get one page to list all 3 categories in a table with 3 rows. And finally to add insult to injury, when someone clicks on SEATS as a group listing, on the next page, instead of seeing a listing of all seats one after another vertically in a column, the visitor is expected to click on an ugly NEXT button to see the next one. No thumbnails, highly arcane looking navigation system created by their templates/wizards with graphics hit hard by an ugly stick. Not only is the program not easy to use, the resulting PREVIEWS look so bad due to the layout/ugly icons, I dare not show them to my client. At 01:19 PM 4/16/2000 +0100, you wrote: I do not understand - you can change all the icons in any version of Able Commerce. I agree they do not supply an icon library but there are so many of those anway. Can you be more specific about what you cannot easily customise. I have no commercial interest in Able just want to see a fair representation of the product. Paul Burgess -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 12:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless? Dear Adrian, Try to customize the look and feel of your pages and then let me know if I am being unfair. The basic look created by Able Commerce is so ugly there should be a law against it. In fact I'm writing my Senator about it right now - i.e. abolish any net tax incentives but do enact a web site ugliness law to incentivise the folks at Able Commerce to come up with some at least half way decent looking icons instead of those hit hard with an ugly stick. We want visitors to stay on a site, not run away from it due to torture to the eyeballs. I would write to Clinton but hes no doubt sidetracked with some intern:) Bottom line is this is a totally frustrating piece of software, there has to be something out there thats more user friendly. I've tackled more complex jobs than a mere shopping cart deal in the past, but this Able Commerce is unfortunately despite a GUI admin very user unfriendly. Again, appreciate any help as far as a ref to a workable program. Regards, Pardee. At 12:54 PM 4/16/2000 +0100, you wrote: The basic look made by Able Commerce is so ugly that the resulting pages make one desire to throw up. I think you are being somewhat unfair to Able Commerce from my experimentation with it :-) But as I don't use the program yet in production, perhaps others who do could address your concerns. While I am here - I need recommendations for CF based eCommerce system, which will enable full online order tracking by shoppers - Amazon style etc.. Any recommendations? I also have a client who wants an auction system (the customer is always right) - what is the best CF based auction system out there? Emaze looks good - anyone used it? Thanks. Adrian Cooper. - - Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/c f_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless?
1. You can achieve exactly that in Able Commmerce. Choose a large store option and you have three levels. Top level - create categories vans, trucks and suvs. Now create groups within each of those ie ford trucks, nissan trucks etc. Now create products within the groups. For each group, go to the style for that group and simply enter up your photo etc to show just what you are asking for. You must have set it up wrong if you are not achieving this - what demo store did you copy? You need at least a medium size store for what you wish to achieve. Paul Burgess -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 1:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless? I have a site with 3 categories: 1. VANS 2. TRUCKS 3. SUVS So what I need to do is have three tabs on the home page, each tab going to a page that has the group listings of each category on the next page. So if a visitor clicks on VANS, they go to a page with a nice picture of a van and a listing of all VAN products. When they click on a product, they see a display, etc. This I have not been able to accomplish with Able Commerce's so called wizards. Next, I need to change the icons, that I agree is not such a big deal but I was amazed that they would have enough courage to ship their product with such an ugly set. A real montrosity, I share this to vent my frustration with the user-unfriendliness of the product. I couldn't even get one page to list all 3 categories in a table with 3 rows. And finally to add insult to injury, when someone clicks on SEATS as a group listing, on the next page, instead of seeing a listing of all seats one after another vertically in a column, the visitor is expected to click on an ugly NEXT button to see the next one. No thumbnails, highly arcane looking navigation system created by their templates/wizards with graphics hit hard by an ugly stick. Not only is the program not easy to use, the resulting PREVIEWS look so bad due to the layout/ugly icons, I dare not show them to my client. At 01:19 PM 4/16/2000 +0100, you wrote: I do not understand - you can change all the icons in any version of Able Commerce. I agree they do not supply an icon library but there are so many of those anway. Can you be more specific about what you cannot easily customise. I have no commercial interest in Able just want to see a fair representation of the product. Paul Burgess -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 12:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless? Dear Adrian, Try to customize the look and feel of your pages and then let me know if I am being unfair. The basic look created by Able Commerce is so ugly there should be a law against it. In fact I'm writing my Senator about it right now - i.e. abolish any net tax incentives but do enact a web site ugliness law to incentivise the folks at Able Commerce to come up with some at least half way decent looking icons instead of those hit hard with an ugly stick. We want visitors to stay on a site, not run away from it due to torture to the eyeballs. I would write to Clinton but hes no doubt sidetracked with some intern:) Bottom line is this is a totally frustrating piece of software, there has to be something out there thats more user friendly. I've tackled more complex jobs than a mere shopping cart deal in the past, but this Able Commerce is unfortunately despite a GUI admin very user unfriendly. Again, appreciate any help as far as a ref to a workable program. Regards, Pardee. At 12:54 PM 4/16/2000 +0100, you wrote: The basic look made by Able Commerce is so ugly that the resulting pages make one desire to throw up. I think you are being somewhat unfair to Able Commerce from my experimentation with it :-) But as I don't use the program yet in production, perhaps others who do could address your concerns. While I am here - I need recommendations for CF based eCommerce system, which will enable full online order tracking by shoppers - Amazon style etc.. Any recommendations? I also have a client who wants an auction system (the customer is always right) - what is the best CF based auction system out there? Emaze looks good - anyone used it? Thanks. Adrian Cooper. - - Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/c f_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body
Re: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless?
The basic look created by Able Commerce is so ugly there should be a law against it. Agreed. Programmers who design web pages should be beat with ugly stick. The default web look is so bad it is an obstacle to appreciating the technical aspects. ie, you like ACB "in spite of" the ugliness. Len -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless?
Pardee, I can't think of anything with the look and feel of an Ablecommerce that you couldn't modify. Finding where to modify them could be frustrating. Ask how to do what you want on their forums, it will save frustration. http://www.ablecommerce.com/forums/index.cfm?cfapp=1; -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless?
I've had good results with CFwebstore (http://www.cfwebstore.com ). I know it's not as robust on the back end as AbleCommerce but it let's you customize the hell out of it on the GUI side. The scenario you describe below is definitely possible. You still need to know CF and HTML though. I did a site for my uncle recently with it - http://www.workmens.com . -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 8:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless? I have a site with 3 categories: 1. VANS 2. TRUCKS 3. SUVS So what I need to do is have three tabs on the home page, each tab going to a page that has the group listings of each category on the next page. So if a visitor clicks on VANS, they go to a page with a nice picture of a van and a listing of all VAN products. When they click on a product, they see a display, etc. This I have not been able to accomplish with Able Commerce's so called wizards. Next, I need to change the icons, that I agree is not such a big deal but I was amazed that they would have enough courage to ship their product with such an ugly set. A real montrosity, I share this to vent my frustration with the user-unfriendliness of the product. I couldn't even get one page to list all 3 categories in a table with 3 rows. And finally to add insult to injury, when someone clicks on SEATS as a group listing, on the next page, instead of seeing a listing of all seats one after another vertically in a column, the visitor is expected to click on an ugly NEXT button to see the next one. No thumbnails, highly arcane looking navigation system created by their templates/wizards with graphics hit hard by an ugly stick. Not only is the program not easy to use, the resulting PREVIEWS look so bad due to the layout/ugly icons, I dare not show them to my client. At 01:19 PM 4/16/2000 +0100, you wrote: I do not understand - you can change all the icons in any version of Able Commerce. I agree they do not supply an icon library but there are so many of those anway. Can you be more specific about what you cannot easily customise. I have no commercial interest in Able just want to see a fair representation of the product. Paul Burgess -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 12:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless? Dear Adrian, Try to customize the look and feel of your pages and then let me know if I am being unfair. The basic look created by Able Commerce is so ugly there should be a law against it. In fact I'm writing my Senator about it right now - i.e. abolish any net tax incentives but do enact a web site ugliness law to incentivise the folks at Able Commerce to come up with some at least half way decent looking icons instead of those hit hard with an ugly stick. We want visitors to stay on a site, not run away from it due to torture to the eyeballs. I would write to Clinton but hes no doubt sidetracked with some intern:) Bottom line is this is a totally frustrating piece of software, there has to be something out there thats more user friendly. I've tackled more complex jobs than a mere shopping cart deal in the past, but this Able Commerce is unfortunately despite a GUI admin very user unfriendly. Again, appreciate any help as far as a ref to a workable program. Regards, Pardee. At 12:54 PM 4/16/2000 +0100, you wrote: The basic look made by Able Commerce is so ugly that the resulting pages make one desire to throw up. I think you are being somewhat unfair to Able Commerce from my experimentation with it :-) But as I don't use the program yet in production, perhaps others who do could address your concerns. While I am here - I need recommendations for CF based eCommerce system, which will enable full online order tracking by shoppers - Amazon style etc.. Any recommendations? I also have a client who wants an auction system (the customer is always right) - what is the best CF based auction system out there? Emaze looks good - anyone used it? Thanks. Adrian Cooper. - - Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/c f_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. --- - -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body
RE: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless?
I agree with you on your comments about help etc. Their documentation is weak. The product however, is very robust and flexible. Paul Burgess -Original Message- From: Chris Giminez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 7:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless? I am only about 4 months into Cold Fusion. Able is the first CF store package for me to use. I have been very frustrated with it's "Wizards" mostly due to a lack or non-integration of help files. Figuring out how to customize something is mostly a 'try and see what happens' process. Their documentation is not easily accessible as far as trying to find specifically what you want to do. I started with the standard version and was too limited, so I had to upgrade to the open source. I'm not saying they do this, but it almost seems that they limit what you can do just so you'll have to pay another $1500 for open source. I'm just starting to get comfortable with it and would probably use it again since I would be much more familiar with it the next time around. The backend is very solid and with my limited experience with CF I wouldn't even want to try to build everything the program does. If I were able to give Able some advice, it would be to add a help button to every page of the admin section. Hitting the button would load a pop up window with help that is specific to where you are in the program. This would have saved me hours in learning it... and having to call support to figure it out. Chris Giminez Owner - Cyber Scriber Web Site Design 831-728-4469 ICQ# 2628000 I have tried to get Able Commerce which is built on Cold Fusion templates up and running as an e-commerce solution. Problem is the program seems so utterly rigid in deployment that there's no way to get into the pages to customize the look. The basic look made by Able Commerce is so ugly that the resulting pages make one desire to throw up. Hence changing the look is critical, yet apparently impossible when you go to the editing web pages section. Is Able Commerce truly an impossible program to work with and could anyone for the love of God please recommend something more user friendly and actually usable. We've lost a good two weeks messing around with Able Commerce, it has all in all been a highly frustrating experience. Would appreciate a reference to any other shopping cart e-commerce solution. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm? sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf _talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless?
Dear Paul, I tried this with medium and large sized store. Unfortunately the templates don't allow you to go in and customize them to look exactly as you want. The output is nowhere near what the client is looking for. Normally in other programs you can go into the code and do this, but in Able Commerce, when you're using a wizard you're apparently not able to get into the source code. Try to get into the underlying CFM file and you find that its encrypted. Any ideas? Thanks for the feedback. At 01:38 PM 4/16/2000 +0100, you wrote: 1. You can achieve exactly that in Able Commmerce. Choose a large store option and you have three levels. Top level - create categories vans, trucks and suvs. Now create groups within each of those ie ford trucks, nissan trucks etc. Now create products within the groups. For each group, go to the style for that group and simply enter up your photo etc to show just what you are asking for. You must have set it up wrong if you are not achieving this - what demo store did you copy? You need at least a medium size store for what you wish to achieve. Paul Burgess -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 1:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless? I have a site with 3 categories: 1. VANS 2. TRUCKS 3. SUVS So what I need to do is have three tabs on the home page, each tab going to a page that has the group listings of each category on the next page. So if a visitor clicks on VANS, they go to a page with a nice picture of a van and a listing of all VAN products. When they click on a product, they see a display, etc. This I have not been able to accomplish with Able Commerce's so called wizards. Next, I need to change the icons, that I agree is not such a big deal but I was amazed that they would have enough courage to ship their product with such an ugly set. A real montrosity, I share this to vent my frustration with the user-unfriendliness of the product. I couldn't even get one page to list all 3 categories in a table with 3 rows. And finally to add insult to injury, when someone clicks on SEATS as a group listing, on the next page, instead of seeing a listing of all seats one after another vertically in a column, the visitor is expected to click on an ugly NEXT button to see the next one. No thumbnails, highly arcane looking navigation system created by their templates/wizards with graphics hit hard by an ugly stick. Not only is the program not easy to use, the resulting PREVIEWS look so bad due to the layout/ugly icons, I dare not show them to my client. At 01:19 PM 4/16/2000 +0100, you wrote: I do not understand - you can change all the icons in any version of Able Commerce. I agree they do not supply an icon library but there are so many of those anway. Can you be more specific about what you cannot easily customise. I have no commercial interest in Able just want to see a fair representation of the product. Paul Burgess -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 12:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless? Dear Adrian, Try to customize the look and feel of your pages and then let me know if I am being unfair. The basic look created by Able Commerce is so ugly there should be a law against it. In fact I'm writing my Senator about it right now - i.e. abolish any net tax incentives but do enact a web site ugliness law to incentivise the folks at Able Commerce to come up with some at least half way decent looking icons instead of those hit hard with an ugly stick. We want visitors to stay on a site, not run away from it due to torture to the eyeballs. I would write to Clinton but hes no doubt sidetracked with some intern:) Bottom line is this is a totally frustrating piece of software, there has to be something out there thats more user friendly. I've tackled more complex jobs than a mere shopping cart deal in the past, but this Able Commerce is unfortunately despite a GUI admin very user unfriendly. Again, appreciate any help as far as a ref to a workable program. Regards, Pardee. At 12:54 PM 4/16/2000 +0100, you wrote: The basic look made by Able Commerce is so ugly that the resulting pages make one desire to throw up. I think you are being somewhat unfair to Able Commerce from my experimentation with it :-) But as I don't use the program yet in production, perhaps others who do could address your concerns. While I am here - I need recommendations for CF based eCommerce system, which will enable full online
Re: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless?
Dear Jeff, That's exactly the problem, find where to modify this stuff. They make it so darn difficult that you get totally fed up with this program. Thanks for the tip, will try right now. At 08:13 AM 4/16/2000 -0500, you wrote: Pardee, I can't think of anything with the look and feel of an Ablecommerce that you couldn't modify. Finding where to modify them could be frustrating. Ask how to do what you want on their forums, it will save frustration. http://www.ablecommerce.com/forums/index.cfm?cfapp=1; -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless?
but extremely user unfriendly. I give it my vote of the most user unfriendly program I've ever used in the last 10 years. Considering they designed it to make the developers life easier, I would have to say it is a failure on that front. Hopefully someone at Able Commerce will see some of these comments and be embarrassed enough to do something constructive such as making the program actually easier to use so we can get back to our lives instead of getting frustrated by a rigid and ugly looking interface. At 08:22 PM 4/16/2000 +0100, you wrote: I agree with you on your comments about help etc. Their documentation is weak. The product however, is very robust and flexible. Paul Burgess -Original Message- From: Chris Giminez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 7:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless? I am only about 4 months into Cold Fusion. Able is the first CF store package for me to use. I have been very frustrated with it's "Wizards" mostly due to a lack or non-integration of help files. Figuring out how to customize something is mostly a 'try and see what happens' process. Their documentation is not easily accessible as far as trying to find specifically what you want to do. I started with the standard version and was too limited, so I had to upgrade to the open source. I'm not saying they do this, but it almost seems that they limit what you can do just so you'll have to pay another $1500 for open source. I'm just starting to get comfortable with it and would probably use it again since I would be much more familiar with it the next time around. The backend is very solid and with my limited experience with CF I wouldn't even want to try to build everything the program does. If I were able to give Able some advice, it would be to add a help button to every page of the admin section. Hitting the button would load a pop up window with help that is specific to where you are in the program. This would have saved me hours in learning it... and having to call support to figure it out. Chris Giminez Owner - Cyber Scriber Web Site Design 831-728-4469 ICQ# 2628000 I have tried to get Able Commerce which is built on Cold Fusion templates up and running as an e-commerce solution. Problem is the program seems so utterly rigid in deployment that there's no way to get into the pages to customize the look. The basic look made by Able Commerce is so ugly that the resulting pages make one desire to throw up. Hence changing the look is critical, yet apparently impossible when you go to the editing web pages section. Is Able Commerce truly an impossible program to work with and could anyone for the love of God please recommend something more user friendly and actually usable. We've lost a good two weeks messing around with Able Commerce, it has all in all been a highly frustrating experience. Would appreciate a reference to any other shopping cart e-commerce solution. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm? sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf _talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
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At 09:19 PM 4/16/2000 +0100, you wrote: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 April 2000 20:58 but extremely user unfriendly. I give it my vote of the most user unfriendly program I've ever used in the last 10 years. Considering they designed it to make the developers life easier, I would have to say it is a failure on that front. Hopefully someone at Able Commerce will see some of these comments and be embarrassed enough to do something constructive such as making the program actually easier to use so we can get back to our lives instead of getting frustrated by a rigid and ugly looking interface. But Able Commerce has been around for years and years - I remember when they started out marketing the original version of the program when their company was called " Little Red Caboose" or some such thing. I am not necessarily disagreeing or agreeing with you, but it is an extremely well established and respected award winning product. Adrian Cooper. But extremely user unfriendly, so what difference does it make how long they have been around. If you can't get it to provide the solution you paid for, it is useless. And how come it is still so ugly after all these years? Surely someone must have at least some level of taste back there. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
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- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 April 2000 21:16 And how come it is still so ugly after all these years? Surely someone must have at least some level of taste back there. That is the point I was making - it is a matter of opinion. Obviously ymmv. Adrian Cooper. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
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I had the same dilemma a few months ago. AbleCommerce looked good, but a bit intimidating on the back end, as far as customizing it. Plus we could not afford to pay for the open source version. I bitched to the list about the current crop of apps - I looked at CartEase, CFWebStore, and AbleCommerce - was not satisfied with either as far as out of the box functionality, but was pretty much told - "fuck off, if you don't like it, write your own...". I ended up getting CFWebstore, and customized it to our needs. Took longer than I wanted, but it works and is cheap. I think there is a great market opportunity for a CF shopping app solution that is more object-oriented than the ones are available. What I would like to see is a well documented application that doesn't concern itself with presentation, but just business logic. -Original Message- But extremely user unfriendly, so what difference does it make how long they have been around. If you can't get it to provide the solution you paid for, it is useless. And how come it is still so ugly after all these years? Surely someone must have at least some level of taste back there. -- -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
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- Original Message - From: stas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 April 2000 21:39 I think there is a great market opportunity for a CF shopping app solution that is more object-oriented than the ones are available. What I would like to see is a well documented application that doesn't concern itself with presentation, but just business logic. I agree with you absolutely on that one! Considering the power, flexibility and database connectivity of CF, there are really no, what I would call, "industrial strength" shopping/eCommerce systems available for CF which I find rather curious considering how fundamental such a system is these days, and considering how many other brilliant CF applications there are out there - and coders. Adrian Cooper. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless?
Please do Also, with the consideration of "other than tangible" hard-goods to be sold. IE - insurance, technical documents, subscriptions..??? Thx, Stephen M. Aylor Aylor Insurance Agency, Inc. "Specialized Insurance for IT - We Cover IT" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 949.581.2333 (v) 949.581.2814 (f) That's an interesting point. Fuseware looked at developing an e-commerce solution. We decided the market wouldn't support another CF-based shopping cart system, with a heavy hitter like Able Commerce in the market, as well as several lower price competitors and freely available code to write your own. Maybe its time to rethink that position. Chris Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.fuseware.com -Original Message- From: Adrian Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 4:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless? - Original Message - From: stas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 April 2000 21:39 I think there is a great market opportunity for a CF shopping app solution that is more object-oriented than the ones are available. What I would like to see is a well documented application that doesn't concern itself with presentation, but just business logic. I agree with you absolutely on that one! Considering the power, flexibility and database connectivity of CF, there are really no, what I would call, "industrial strength" shopping/eCommerce systems available for CF which I find rather curious considering how fundamental such a system is these days, and considering how many other brilliant CF applications there are out there - and coders. Adrian Cooper. -- -- -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless?
Dear Chris, Try using the progam and then I think u will see that there is a huge opportunity for someone willing to create a user friendly program. Take a look at coolcart.com and there are some interesting ideas there. i.e. u should be able to take code and past it into HTML for any kind of desired look. Or at the least be able to customize templates with great ease. Able Commerce has been such a time waster for me, I can't show the end result to the client because its unacceptable and unfortunately I can't get into the templates since they are encrypted. In this situation the client will not pay another $1500 for open source. If u look at Able Commerces icons, considering that the product has been out for years, I think u will see a major opportunity for anyone willing to do something more elegant and simpler to use. Cold Fusion is well respected now, u could do well just hosting e-commerce sites administered via a browser like Miva at miva.com At 04:58 PM 4/16/2000 -0400, you wrote: That's an interesting point. Fuseware looked at developing an e-commerce solution. We decided the market wouldn't support another CF-based shopping cart system, with a heavy hitter like Able Commerce in the market, as well as several lower price competitors and freely available code to write your own. Maybe its time to rethink that position. Chris Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.fuseware.com -Original Message- From: Adrian Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 4:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless? - Original Message - From: stas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 April 2000 21:39 I think there is a great market opportunity for a CF shopping app solution that is more object-oriented than the ones are available. What I would like to see is a well documented application that doesn't concern itself with presentation, but just business logic. I agree with you absolutely on that one! Considering the power, flexibility and database connectivity of CF, there are really no, what I would call, "industrial strength" shopping/eCommerce systems available for CF which I find rather curious considering how fundamental such a system is these days, and considering how many other brilliant CF applications there are out there - and coders. Adrian Cooper. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless?
You use the 'Styles' to set, say a group. So the first step would be to design a style for your group. In the style you may insert any HTML code at various points. So, for example design your trucks header with photo etc and insert it into a style as header one - in the wizard for the group select the style you have just designed and turn of all navigation options etc. In the style also decide on colours etc for the background. here is a site with thousands of able commerce pages - I have used a Java navigation applet in the right hand frame to be able to navigate to any counter - I call their 3 levels, Department, counter and product - rather than use their terminology. The counters on this site only take minutes to design in able commerce. http://www.fishtec.co.uk Kind regards Paul Burgess -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 8:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless? Dear Paul, I tried this with medium and large sized store. Unfortunately the templates don't allow you to go in and customize them to look exactly as you want. The output is nowhere near what the client is looking for. Normally in other programs you can go into the code and do this, but in Able Commerce, when you're using a wizard you're apparently not able to get into the source code. Try to get into the underlying CFM file and you find that its encrypted. Any ideas? Thanks for the feedback. At 01:38 PM 4/16/2000 +0100, you wrote: 1. You can achieve exactly that in Able Commmerce. Choose a large store option and you have three levels. Top level - create categories vans, trucks and suvs. Now create groups within each of those ie ford trucks, nissan trucks etc. Now create products within the groups. For each group, go to the style for that group and simply enter up your photo etc to show just what you are asking for. You must have set it up wrong if you are not achieving this - what demo store did you copy? You need at least a medium size store for what you wish to achieve. Paul Burgess -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 1:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless? I have a site with 3 categories: 1. VANS 2. TRUCKS 3. SUVS So what I need to do is have three tabs on the home page, each tab going to a page that has the group listings of each category on the next page. So if a visitor clicks on VANS, they go to a page with a nice picture of a van and a listing of all VAN products. When they click on a product, they see a display, etc. This I have not been able to accomplish with Able Commerce's so called wizards. Next, I need to change the icons, that I agree is not such a big deal but I was amazed that they would have enough courage to ship their product with such an ugly set. A real montrosity, I share this to vent my frustration with the user-unfriendliness of the product. I couldn't even get one page to list all 3 categories in a table with 3 rows. And finally to add insult to injury, when someone clicks on SEATS as a group listing, on the next page, instead of seeing a listing of all seats one after another vertically in a column, the visitor is expected to click on an ugly NEXT button to see the next one. No thumbnails, highly arcane looking navigation system created by their templates/wizards with graphics hit hard by an ugly stick. Not only is the program not easy to use, the resulting PREVIEWS look so bad due to the layout/ugly icons, I dare not show them to my client. At 01:19 PM 4/16/2000 +0100, you wrote: I do not understand - you can change all the icons in any version of Able Commerce. I agree they do not supply an icon library but there are so many of those anway. Can you be more specific about what you cannot easily customise. I have no commercial interest in Able just want to see a fair representation of the product. Paul Burgess -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 12:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless? Dear Adrian, Try to customize the look and feel of your pages and then let me know if I am being unfair. The basic look created by Able Commerce is so ugly there should be a law against it. In fact I'm writing my Senator about it right now - i.e. abolish any net tax incentives but do enact a web site ugliness law to incentivise the folks at Able Commerce to come up with some at least half way decent looking icons instead of those hit
RE: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless?
Dear Paul, I have no problems with inserting Header and Footer styles with HTML. The problem is getting the CF output of products to display the way the client desires. i.e. There should be an output of only VANS items on one page. When you click on VAN SEATS then for example, there should be a list of all Van seat products in a column with either with or without a thumb nail. When you click on the product, you get to a detail page with the shopping cart function displayed. On all pages the header and footer should be consistent, but I am having a hell of a hard time getting Able Commerce to allow me to customize the CF output of the products. For example, I can't get one group displayed on a page by itself. I can get all 3 groups - VANS, TRUCKS and SUVS But then when you click on Van Seats for example, you see 2 products and for the result you have to click a next button. that's ridiculous and when you try to change the format, lo and behold, theres no way to get into the templates. As you can see, after two weeks I am totally fed up with this so called solution, but if you have any workable ideas I'm still willing to give it a shot. Thanks Pardee. At 09:52 PM 4/16/2000 +0100, you wrote: You use the 'Styles' to set, say a group. So the first step would be to design a style for your group. In the style you may insert any HTML code at various points. So, for example design your trucks header with photo etc and insert it into a style as header one - in the wizard for the group select the style you have just designed and turn of all navigation options etc. In the style also decide on colours etc for the background. here is a site with thousands of able commerce pages - I have used a Java navigation applet in the right hand frame to be able to navigate to any counter - I call their 3 levels, Department, counter and product - rather than use their terminology. The counters on this site only take minutes to design in able commerce. http://www.fishtec.co.uk Kind regards Paul Burgess -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 8:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless? Dear Paul, I tried this with medium and large sized store. Unfortunately the templates don't allow you to go in and customize them to look exactly as you want. The output is nowhere near what the client is looking for. Normally in other programs you can go into the code and do this, but in Able Commerce, when you're using a wizard you're apparently not able to get into the source code. Try to get into the underlying CFM file and you find that its encrypted. Any ideas? Thanks for the feedback. At 01:38 PM 4/16/2000 +0100, you wrote: 1. You can achieve exactly that in Able Commmerce. Choose a large store option and you have three levels. Top level - create categories vans, trucks and suvs. Now create groups within each of those ie ford trucks, nissan trucks etc. Now create products within the groups. For each group, go to the style for that group and simply enter up your photo etc to show just what you are asking for. You must have set it up wrong if you are not achieving this - what demo store did you copy? You need at least a medium size store for what you wish to achieve. Paul Burgess -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 1:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless? I have a site with 3 categories: 1. VANS 2. TRUCKS 3. SUVS So what I need to do is have three tabs on the home page, each tab going to a page that has the group listings of each category on the next page. So if a visitor clicks on VANS, they go to a page with a nice picture of a van and a listing of all VAN products. When they click on a product, they see a display, etc. This I have not been able to accomplish with Able Commerce's so called wizards. Next, I need to change the icons, that I agree is not such a big deal but I was amazed that they would have enough courage to ship their product with such an ugly set. A real montrosity, I share this to vent my frustration with the user-unfriendliness of the product. I couldn't even get one page to list all 3 categories in a table with 3 rows. And finally to add insult to injury, when someone clicks on SEATS as a group listing, on the next page, instead of seeing a listing of all seats one after another vertically in a column, the visitor is expected to click on an ugly NEXT button to see the next one. No thumbnails, highly arcane looking navigation system created by their templates/wizards with graphics hit hard by an ugly
Re: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless?
Try asking Able for the wizards source code. They gave them to me after I complained and I was able to customize some things as needed. It turned out it wasn't enough so I had to pay the $1500 for source of everything, but they may give you the wizards at least without charging. Chris Giminez Owner - Cyber Scriber Web Site Design 831-728-4469 ICQ# 2628000 What I meant is when you click on Van Seats for example, you see only 2 products out of maybe 30. Then to see the other 28 (since they're no displayed in one column), you have to click a next button over and over again to see them in groups of 2. And when you try to change the format so they display in one column in total or in groups of say 10 in a column, lo and behold, theres no way to get into the templates. The wizards in Able Commerce are quite cryptic and help section is not very helpful. If anyone found a way to get around these obstacles without buying the open source version (another $1500), please let me know. Thanks. At 09:52 PM 4/16/2000 +0100, you wrote: You use the 'Styles' to set, say a group. So the first step would be to design a style for your group. In the style you may insert any HTML code at various points. So, for example design your trucks header with photo etc and insert it into a style as header one - in the wizard for the group select the style you have just designed and turn of all navigation options etc. In the style also decide on colours etc for the background. here is a site with thousands of able commerce pages - I have used a Java navigation applet in the right hand frame to be able to navigate to any counter - I call their 3 levels, Department, counter and product - rather than use their terminology. The counters on this site only take minutes to design in able commerce. http://www.fishtec.co.uk Kind regards Paul Burgess -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 8:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless? Dear Paul, I tried this with medium and large sized store. Unfortunately the templates don't allow you to go in and customize them to look exactly as you want. The output is nowhere near what the client is looking for. Normally in other programs you can go into the code and do this, but in Able Commerce, when you're using a wizard you're apparently not able to get into the source code. Try to get into the underlying CFM file and you find that its encrypted. Any ideas? Thanks for the feedback. At 01:38 PM 4/16/2000 +0100, you wrote: 1. You can achieve exactly that in Able Commmerce. Choose a large store option and you have three levels. Top level - create categories vans, trucks and suvs. Now create groups within each of those ie ford trucks, nissan trucks etc. Now create products within the groups. For each group, go to the style for that group and simply enter up your photo etc to show just what you are asking for. You must have set it up wrong if you are not achieving this - what demo store did you copy? You need at least a medium size store for what you wish to achieve. Paul Burgess -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 1:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless? I have a site with 3 categories: 1. VANS 2. TRUCKS 3. SUVS So what I need to do is have three tabs on the home page, each tab going to a page that has the group listings of each category on the next page. So if a visitor clicks on VANS, they go to a page with a nice picture of a van and a listing of all VAN products. When they click on a product, they see a display, etc. This I have not been able to accomplish with Able Commerce's so called wizards. Next, I need to change the icons, that I agree is not such a big deal but I was amazed that they would have enough courage to ship their product with such an ugly set. A real montrosity, I share this to vent my frustration with the user-unfriendliness of the product. I couldn't even get one page to list all 3 categories in a table with 3 rows. And finally to add insult to injury, when someone clicks on SEATS as a group listing, on the next page, instead of seeing a listing of all seats one after another vertically in a column, the visitor is expected to click on an ugly NEXT button to see the next one. No thumbnails, highly arcane looking navigation system created by their templates/wizards
RE: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless?
I am a little baffled by your problem. You seem to be confusing Catgeory, Group, Product. Think of them as Department, Counter, Product. Your Department page would show all the department (ie categories) ie vans, tricks etc. Click on the one of interest eg Vans - you then see all the counters (groups) relating to vans, including as one of them Van seats. Click on Van seats you see a list of van seats - click on any of those and you get the detail of that van seat - click on More Detail and you get even more details of that van seat. I had a problem grasping how they did this at first, probably my own stupidity, but it is easy. In the example store I gave you the Java navigator enables you to go to any counter instantly. The fly rods Department lists different makes - in the Airflo Classic rods for example you will see a Flash animation presenting the rods - it was all quick to implement. Here is another store http://www.timesreadersoffers.co.uk Create a category Vans - then inside that category create a few (counters)groups including van seats - then inside each create the products. At the highest level you see a page showing all departments (categories), when you click on vans you just see van counters. I am puzzled - I hope you cam make sense of the above. Paul Burgess -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 10:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless? Dear Paul, I have no problems with inserting Header and Footer styles with HTML. The problem is getting the CF output of products to display the way the client desires. i.e. There should be an output of only VANS items on one page. When you click on VAN SEATS then for example, there should be a list of all Van seat products in a column with either with or without a thumb nail. When you click on the product, you get to a detail page with the shopping cart function displayed. On all pages the header and footer should be consistent, but I am having a hell of a hard time getting Able Commerce to allow me to customize the CF output of the products. For example, I can't get one group displayed on a page by itself. I can get all 3 groups - VANS, TRUCKS and SUVS But then when you click on Van Seats for example, you see 2 products and for the result you have to click a next button. that's ridiculous and when you try to change the format, lo and behold, theres no way to get into the templates. As you can see, after two weeks I am totally fed up with this so called solution, but if you have any workable ideas I'm still willing to give it a shot. Thanks Pardee. At 09:52 PM 4/16/2000 +0100, you wrote: You use the 'Styles' to set, say a group. So the first step would be to design a style for your group. In the style you may insert any HTML code at various points. So, for example design your trucks header with photo etc and insert it into a style as header one - in the wizard for the group select the style you have just designed and turn of all navigation options etc. In the style also decide on colours etc for the background. here is a site with thousands of able commerce pages - I have used a Java navigation applet in the right hand frame to be able to navigate to any counter - I call their 3 levels, Department, counter and product - rather than use their terminology. The counters on this site only take minutes to design in able commerce. http://www.fishtec.co.uk Kind regards Paul Burgess -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 8:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless? Dear Paul, I tried this with medium and large sized store. Unfortunately the templates don't allow you to go in and customize them to look exactly as you want. The output is nowhere near what the client is looking for. Normally in other programs you can go into the code and do this, but in Able Commerce, when you're using a wizard you're apparently not able to get into the source code. Try to get into the underlying CFM file and you find that its encrypted. Any ideas? Thanks for the feedback. At 01:38 PM 4/16/2000 +0100, you wrote: 1. You can achieve exactly that in Able Commmerce. Choose a large store option and you have three levels. Top level - create categories vans, trucks and suvs. Now create groups within each of those ie ford trucks, nissan trucks etc. Now create products within the groups. For each group, go to the style for that group and simply enter up your photo etc to show just what you are asking for. You must have set it up wrong if you are not achieving this - what demo store did you copy? You need at least a medium size store for what you wish to achieve
RE: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless?
When you click on van seats you can see as many products as you like - look at the top of the group wizard - you simply set the maximum number that can be displayed - you really can see as many van seats in the van seats counter as you wish. It seems you are setting the maximum number of displayed items in a counter to 2, not the 20 or 30 you may need. You may also choose to display in 1, 2 or 3 columns. Paul Burgess -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 10:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless? What I meant is when you click on Van Seats for example, you see only 2 products out of maybe 30. Then to see the other 28 (since they're no displayed in one column), you have to click a next button over and over again to see them in groups of 2. And when you try to change the format so they display in one column in total or in groups of say 10 in a column, lo and behold, theres no way to get into the templates. The wizards in Able Commerce are quite cryptic and help section is not very helpful. If anyone found a way to get around these obstacles without buying the open source version (another $1500), please let me know. Thanks. At 09:52 PM 4/16/2000 +0100, you wrote: You use the 'Styles' to set, say a group. So the first step would be to design a style for your group. In the style you may insert any HTML code at various points. So, for example design your trucks header with photo etc and insert it into a style as header one - in the wizard for the group select the style you have just designed and turn of all navigation options etc. In the style also decide on colours etc for the background. here is a site with thousands of able commerce pages - I have used a Java navigation applet in the right hand frame to be able to navigate to any counter - I call their 3 levels, Department, counter and product - rather than use their terminology. The counters on this site only take minutes to design in able commerce. http://www.fishtec.co.uk Kind regards Paul Burgess -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 8:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless? Dear Paul, I tried this with medium and large sized store. Unfortunately the templates don't allow you to go in and customize them to look exactly as you want. The output is nowhere near what the client is looking for. Normally in other programs you can go into the code and do this, but in Able Commerce, when you're using a wizard you're apparently not able to get into the source code. Try to get into the underlying CFM file and you find that its encrypted. Any ideas? Thanks for the feedback. At 01:38 PM 4/16/2000 +0100, you wrote: 1. You can achieve exactly that in Able Commmerce. Choose a large store option and you have three levels. Top level - create categories vans, trucks and suvs. Now create groups within each of those ie ford trucks, nissan trucks etc. Now create products within the groups. For each group, go to the style for that group and simply enter up your photo etc to show just what you are asking for. You must have set it up wrong if you are not achieving this - what demo store did you copy? You need at least a medium size store for what you wish to achieve. Paul Burgess -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 1:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless? I have a site with 3 categories: 1. VANS 2. TRUCKS 3. SUVS So what I need to do is have three tabs on the home page, each tab going to a page that has the group listings of each category on the next page. So if a visitor clicks on VANS, they go to a page with a nice picture of a van and a listing of all VAN products. When they click on a product, they see a display, etc. This I have not been able to accomplish with Able Commerce's so called wizards. Next, I need to change the icons, that I agree is not such a big deal but I was amazed that they would have enough courage to ship their product with such an ugly set. A real montrosity, I share this to vent my frustration with the user-unfriendliness of the product. I couldn't even get one page to list all 3 categories in a table with 3 rows. And finally to add insult to injury, when someone clicks on SEATS as a group listing, on the next page, instead
