Re: Free BlueDragon?
@ Andrew, Have you got a blog to your xampp integration? http://www.myinternetisbroken.com/search.cfm Search for XAMPP It is a bit dated. I need to revise my blarg as it is not completely accurate. A couple of notes: Unzip the Tomcat plugin on top of XAMPP and then click on setup_xampp.bat if it doesn't give you an option to configure with mod_JDK run the bat file again and select option 5. This will allow you to hit both Tomcat And Apache on port 80 (If you so wish). You should see two bat files called tomcat_start.bat and tomcat_stop.bat. Run the tomcat_start.bat and click on the xampp-control.exe to set up Apache etc.. Go to http://localhost and you will see a link to Java in the XAMPP Admin area. It will point you to all the Tomcat examples/directories. ~G~ On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 12:10 AM, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Which is good if you don't have most of them installed to begin with.. I a Have you got a blog to your xampp integration? -- Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 9015 8628 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 15 August 2008 2:08 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Free BlueDragon? You really don't even have to do that. True. The reason I mentioned XAMPP (Other than I love it) is that it comes with Mysql built in. As well as all the batch scripts you need to start up Tomcat, Mysql, Apache, FTP etc. and install them as services. It is pretty much a complete App stack that can be up and running with a few mouse clicks. The only draw back I see is that the Tomcat plugin is Windows only. As Chris pointed out, one thing you may want to look into, if you haven't already, is how the various CF run times are licensed. HTH ~G~ On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Larry Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: f8 comes with its own web server albeit it is for development only, and it can be installed siliently (without user interaction would probably be more accurate) If that is the case you could roll it up with something like XAMPP with the Tomcat Plugin. With a bit of work and a bat file you can deploy a working CF/JSP/LAMP app on a Windows Box in about five minutes. If you are interested I have some tutes on my blog on setting up XAMPP with Adobe CF, Railo and BD. You really don't even have to do that. Both Tomcat and JBoss come with an internal web server that's robust enough to be used in production. just grab the Open BlueDragon war file, add your htm and cfm files to it and drop it into the appropriate java application server deploy directory. In the next deploy life cycle, the jas will pick up the change and start serving the files. regards, larry ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311152 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Free BlueDragon?
Thanks -- Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 9015 8628 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 18 August 2008 2:23 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Free BlueDragon? @ Andrew, Have you got a blog to your xampp integration? http://www.myinternetisbroken.com/search.cfm Search for XAMPP It is a bit dated. I need to revise my blarg as it is not completely accurate. A couple of notes: Unzip the Tomcat plugin on top of XAMPP and then click on setup_xampp.bat if it doesn't give you an option to configure with mod_JDK run the bat file again and select option 5. This will allow you to hit both Tomcat And Apache on port 80 (If you so wish). You should see two bat files called tomcat_start.bat and tomcat_stop.bat. Run the tomcat_start.bat and click on the xampp-control.exe to set up Apache etc.. Go to http://localhost and you will see a link to Java in the XAMPP Admin area. It will point you to all the Tomcat examples/directories. ~G~ On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 12:10 AM, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Which is good if you don't have most of them installed to begin with.. I a Have you got a blog to your xampp integration? -- Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 9015 8628 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 15 August 2008 2:08 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Free BlueDragon? You really don't even have to do that. True. The reason I mentioned XAMPP (Other than I love it) is that it comes with Mysql built in. As well as all the batch scripts you need to start up Tomcat, Mysql, Apache, FTP etc. and install them as services. It is pretty much a complete App stack that can be up and running with a few mouse clicks. The only draw back I see is that the Tomcat plugin is Windows only. As Chris pointed out, one thing you may want to look into, if you haven't already, is how the various CF run times are licensed. HTH ~G~ On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Larry Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: f8 comes with its own web server albeit it is for development only, and it can be installed siliently (without user interaction would probably be more accurate) If that is the case you could roll it up with something like XAMPP with the Tomcat Plugin. With a bit of work and a bat file you can deploy a working CF/JSP/LAMP app on a Windows Box in about five minutes. If you are interested I have some tutes on my blog on setting up XAMPP with Adobe CF, Railo and BD. You really don't even have to do that. Both Tomcat and JBoss come with an internal web server that's robust enough to be used in production. just grab the Open BlueDragon war file, add your htm and cfm files to it and drop it into the appropriate java application server deploy directory. In the next deploy life cycle, the jas will pick up the change and start serving the files. regards, larry ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311153 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Free BlueDragon?
Your points are well taken. My goal for this cf project is to implement an idea with current technology but not necessarily up to last minute one, major constraint is a very limited time/effort availability. Hence, I tried to nudge Adobe and via this powerful cf group to make cf8 app server more flexible and performance-concious... Customertization is not exactly something that I'll pursue ableit all the merits you presented. Coldfusion 8 utilises extJS1.1 and since then extJS has now gone to version 2.2 My suggestion would be to look at your requirements first, if you need to extJS and it fits within your constraints on license then I would use extJS2.2 over extJS1.1 ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311158 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Free BlueDragon?
JRun Webserver is a webserver. You are talking about the JRun application server. The first is part of the second; JWS is only good for serving web pages and has none of the functionality a production webserver needs (like security, URL rewriting etc). On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you mean by Jrun has no functionality but serving pages? It is an Application server that takes a request and runs that request if it can, it can run struts/sitemesh/hibernate/spring and many other frameworks and these have nothing to do with serving pages. So what is it exactly that you mean by it can only serve pages? -- mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles: http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311086 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Free BlueDragon?
There is no such thing as Jrun webserver, where did you get that information? Jrun was and has always been released in one version, JRun Application Server. I would love to know where you get your information, after 13 years developing Coldfusion I have never in my life been introduced to Jrun webserver... I think what you are getting confused with is the Jrun Web connectors that Coldfusion Standard uses to interface into Jrun on a standard install. But it is still Jrun Application Server, dude. -- Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 9015 8628 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -Original Message- From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 16 August 2008 4:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Free BlueDragon? JRun Webserver is a webserver. You are talking about the JRun application server. The first is part of the second; JWS is only good for serving web pages and has none of the functionality a production webserver needs (like security, URL rewriting etc). On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you mean by Jrun has no functionality but serving pages? It is an Application server that takes a request and runs that request if it can, it can run struts/sitemesh/hibernate/spring and many other frameworks and these have nothing to do with serving pages. So what is it exactly that you mean by it can only serve pages? -- mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles: http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311089 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Free BlueDragon?
Oh dear. The JRun webserver is the inbuilt webserver that, if enabled, allows JRun to serve web requests instead of using Apache or another server. It's the same webserver that runs on port 8500 in standalone mode. It the JWS mentioned in articles like: http://www.bpurcell.org/blog/index.cfm?mode=entryentry=1064 http://livedocs.adobe.com/jrun/4/JRun_Administrators_Guide/connectors7.htm On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no such thing as Jrun webserver, where did you get that information? Jrun was and has always been released in one version, JRun Application Server. I would love to know where you get your information, after 13 years developing Coldfusion I have never in my life been introduced to Jrun webserver... I think what you are getting confused with is the Jrun Web connectors that Coldfusion Standard uses to interface into Jrun on a standard install. But it is still Jrun Application Server, dude. -- Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 9015 8628 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -Original Message- From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 16 August 2008 4:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Free BlueDragon? JRun Webserver is a webserver. You are talking about the JRun application server. The first is part of the second; JWS is only good for serving web pages and has none of the functionality a production webserver needs (like security, URL rewriting etc). On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you mean by Jrun has no functionality but serving pages? It is an Application server that takes a request and runs that request if it can, it can run struts/sitemesh/hibernate/spring and many other frameworks and these have nothing to do with serving pages. So what is it exactly that you mean by it can only serve pages? -- mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles: http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311093 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Free BlueDragon?
On Thursday 14 Aug 2008, Dave Watts wrote: Adobe/Macromedia gave this impression by stating this in several places. Really ? I know they don't sell JRun anymore, but when they did they said it was ace. Also, the JRun web server has practically no functionality beyond serving pages. Other than that, though, I agree with you. Oh, yes, for sure, Apache has a ton more features, particularly in securing pages (which is why our CF is attached to Apache :-) ). -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311033 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Free BlueDragon?
http://www.adobe.com/support/coldfusion/adv_development/config_builtin_webserver/index.html Although you can use the ColdFusion MX built-in web server for developing, testing, and debugging ColdFusion applications, Macromedia does not recommend that you use it for deployment. That's from 2002. On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Tom Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 14 Aug 2008, Dave Watts wrote: Adobe/Macromedia gave this impression by stating this in several places. Really ? I know they don't sell JRun anymore, but when they did they said it was ace. -- mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles: http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311036 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Free BlueDragon?
On Friday 15 Aug 2008, James Holmes wrote: That's from 2002. Yeah, I think 5 years of further development could, maybe, have improved things I tad. -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311037 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Free BlueDragon?
They do still sell JRun ... they just aren't doing any more work to it other than security fixes, platform support, etc. £759+VAT :) Andy 2008/8/15 Tom Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thursday 14 Aug 2008, Dave Watts wrote: Adobe/Macromedia gave this impression by stating this in several places. Really ? I know they don't sell JRun anymore, but when they did they said it was ace. Also, the JRun web server has practically no functionality beyond serving pages. Other than that, though, I agree with you. Oh, yes, for sure, Apache has a ton more features, particularly in securing pages (which is why our CF is attached to Apache :-) ). -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311038 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Free BlueDragon?
Coldfusion 8 utilises extJS1.1 and since then extJS has now gone to version 2.2 My suggestion would be to look at your requirements first, if you need to extJS and it fits within your constraints on license then I would use extJS2.2 over extJS1.1 The major advantages are more widgets/gadgets better support and easier integration than you could ever want to with Coldfusion 8. I have been using extJS since V1.1 well before Coldfusion released their version 8, and I can tell you that the limitations to the UI functions in COldfusion has seen me never use these new features. And it is not hard to use either. For example Var test - Ext.PanelGrid(); Will create a panel grid. Anyway, have a look over at coldext.riaforge.org And you will see what I mean, as this is extremely simple to use and implement you can use coldext on any flavour of the cfml engine you choose. However if you had browsed extJS.org you would have come across this information for yourself. Point being is that extJS will always be around 2 ahead of what Coldfusion has to implement, I actually started a project that would see extJS and compatible tags with Coldfusion 8 for openBD but ue to time constrainst I only have the basics of a cfwindow, cfdiv and a few other things. But the point is that Coldfusion 8 has old technology embeded in it, it is fine for simple stuff but for complex stuff you will fidn that it is limiting in what you can do with it. I blogged Coldfusion8 and a problem with using the cfgrid, it has since been fixed in Coldfusion 8.01 but it took 19 months for Adobe to release this fix. With coldext, you have the latest extJS or at least what license suits you. Some food for thought. -- Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 9015 8628 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -Original Message- From: Don L [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 14 August 2008 12:35 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Free BlueDragon? Gerald Guido I have a fair amount of experience with Open BD and Railo 3 beta using Apache and Tomcat on Windows/Fedora/Centos. I would gladly answer any questions. I would recommend posing your questions to the Open BD Google Group @ http://groups.google.com/group/openbd?hl=en ~G~ Gerald Guido Thank you, Gerald, allow me to be lazy for a minute, cf8 comes with its own web server albeit it is for development only, and it can be installed siliently (without user interaction would probably be more accurate), and this capability (of silent installation + a default web server) is important to me. Secondly, the neat new features on presentation and UI enhancement/cfajax-driven ones like cfwindow, auto-suggest, cfajaxproxy etc. etc. are all critical to this little babe; Thirdly, performance-wise, code itself needs to be sold, sure, while open source libraries tend to be bloated (no disrespect to the talented developers), the cf server memory hog... worrys me... porting current app to BD? a sensible option or a road to nightmare? Don ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311073 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Free BlueDragon?
openBD does support extJS, however I have not released the code I have written for release as yet. Natively no it doesn't, but that's the beauty about creating plugins for openBD. I have already got 2 extra functions that has been added to openBD, as you submit and they will realease it as a plugin for openBD. -- Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 9015 8628 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 14 August 2008 12:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Free BlueDragon? OBD doesn't have any of the CF8 candy that you mention. It is significantly lighter weight than CF though. From what you describe, I think CF is your only option, as neither OBD or Railo (my open source CFML engine of choice) is going to fit the bill. cheers, barneyb Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.barneyb.com On Aug 13, 2008, at 7:35 PM, Don L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gerald Guido I have a fair amount of experience with Open BD and Railo 3 beta using Apache and Tomcat on Windows/Fedora/Centos. I would gladly answer any questions. I would recommend posing your questions to the Open BD Google Group @ http://groups.google.com/group/openbd?hl=en ~G~ Gerald Guido Thank you, Gerald, allow me to be lazy for a minute, cf8 comes with its own web server albeit it is for development only, and it can be installed siliently (without user interaction would probably be more accurate), and this capability (of silent installation + a default web server) is important to me. Secondly, the neat new features on presentation and UI enhancement/cfajax-driven ones like cfwindow, auto-suggest, cfajaxproxy etc. etc. are all critical to this little babe; Thirdly, performance-wise, code itself needs to be sold, sure, while open source libraries tend to be bloated (no disrespect to the talented developers), the cf server memory hog... worrys me... porting current app to BD? a sensible option or a road to nightmare? Don ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311074 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Free BlueDragon?
So does extJS, I started using dojo 2+ years ago. And when I was introduced to extJS, I was amazed at how much easier it actually is, my money is on extJS all the way. And coldext has tag based coldfusion tags, to do the same thing you described. Truthfully, you don't need it. But it helps to move code around visually a lot easier. extJS + coldext for the win -- Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 9015 8628 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -Original Message- From: denstar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 14 August 2008 3:41 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Free BlueDragon? On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 8:49 PM, Barney Boisvert wrote: OBD doesn't have any of the CF8 candy that you mention. It is significantly lighter weight than CF though. From what you describe, I think CF is your only option, as neither OBD or Railo (my open source CFML engine of choice) is going to fit the bill. If I was writing any type of kick-ass dhtml application I was thinking about distributing I'd use a third party javascript library. I love the easy ajax aspect of the built-in GUI tags like cfwindow, which is swell, but if you're serious about dhtml, go whole-hog. It'll be worth it in the end. IMHO. And that third-party library is dojo, for my money. *Especially* if you're a cf tag-based developer, you'd love it, as it's got a tag-based way of doing things (as well as pure JS, which I sorta like better, but anyways). Accessible, internationalible, and just plain fun to work with. But, I just like this stuff, so, you know, take it for what it's worth. -- The way to gain a good reputation is to endeavor to be what you desire to appear. Socrates ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311075 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Free BlueDragon?
Which is good if you don't have most of them installed to begin with. Have you got a blog to your xampp integration? -- Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 9015 8628 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 15 August 2008 2:08 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Free BlueDragon? You really don't even have to do that. True. The reason I mentioned XAMPP (Other than I love it) is that it comes with Mysql built in. As well as all the batch scripts you need to start up Tomcat, Mysql, Apache, FTP etc. and install them as services. It is pretty much a complete App stack that can be up and running with a few mouse clicks. The only draw back I see is that the Tomcat plugin is Windows only. As Chris pointed out, one thing you may want to look into, if you haven't already, is how the various CF run times are licensed. HTH ~G~ On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Larry Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: f8 comes with its own web server albeit it is for development only, and it can be installed siliently (without user interaction would probably be more accurate) If that is the case you could roll it up with something like XAMPP with the Tomcat Plugin. With a bit of work and a bat file you can deploy a working CF/JSP/LAMP app on a Windows Box in about five minutes. If you are interested I have some tutes on my blog on setting up XAMPP with Adobe CF, Railo and BD. You really don't even have to do that. Both Tomcat and JBoss come with an internal web server that's robust enough to be used in production. just grab the Open BlueDragon war file, add your htm and cfm files to it and drop it into the appropriate java application server deploy directory. In the next deploy life cycle, the jas will pick up the change and start serving the files. regards, larry ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311079 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Free BlueDragon?
What do you mean by Jrun has no functionality but serving pages? It is an Application server that takes a request and runs that request if it can, it can run struts/sitemesh/hibernate/spring and many other frameworks and these have nothing to do with serving pages. So what is it exactly that you mean by it can only serve pages? Now there is one thing that people don't seem to have made mention on. JRun is good for Coldfusion as that is what Coldfusion runs ontop of in both standard/Enterprise/mutliserver but it has issues when trying to deploy certain wars on it. The reason behind that is the core of JRun has not been updated in years, and they are no longer going to sell that application. JRun will maybe remain around for awhile due to Coldfusion, but I will suspect that there will come a time when that will not longer happen. For example, JRun will run our new flagship application. But it will not run Roller (java blog software). -- Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 9015 8628 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 15 August 2008 2:20 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Free BlueDragon? I don't know why people have this impression but JRun is quite able to run in production as the primary web server (as opposed to using Apache as a front end). Adobe/Macromedia gave this impression by stating this in several places. Also, the JRun web server has practically no functionality beyond serving pages. Other than that, though, I agree with you. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311080 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Free BlueDragon?
Adobe stopped selling JRun months maybe a year ago. If you like I can dig the email that came from Adobe that announced that it will no longer be supported or updated. If they are selling it on their website then that is an oversight on their part. Why release a public statement stating that we are no longer going to be selling or updating JRun and while Coldfusion still uses it. It will be patched if required. But to sell it as a separate product has ceased from the moment that email announcement went out. -- Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 9015 8628 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -Original Message- From: Andy Allan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 15 August 2008 11:08 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Free BlueDragon? They do still sell JRun ... they just aren't doing any more work to it other than security fixes, platform support, etc. £759+VAT :) Andy 2008/8/15 Tom Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thursday 14 Aug 2008, Dave Watts wrote: Adobe/Macromedia gave this impression by stating this in several places. Really ? I know they don't sell JRun anymore, but when they did they said it was ace. Also, the JRun web server has practically no functionality beyond serving pages. Other than that, though, I agree with you. Oh, yes, for sure, Apache has a ton more features, particularly in securing pages (which is why our CF is attached to Apache :-) ). -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311081 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Free BlueDragon?
On Thursday 14 Aug 2008, Don L wrote: Thank you, Gerald, allow me to be lazy for a minute, cf8 comes with its own web server albeit it is for development only, I don't know why people have this impression but JRun is quite able to run in production as the primary web server (as opposed to using Apache as a front end). bloated (no disrespect to the talented developers), the cf server memory hog... worrys me... I asked this on the Railo group a few months back, and at the end of the day, another stick of RAM was only (some small amount of money) and that solved the 'problem' nicely. -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:310947 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Free BlueDragon?
f8 comes with its own web server albeit it is for development only, and it can be installed siliently (without user interaction would probably be more accurate) If that is the case you could roll it up with something like XAMPP with the Tomcat Plugin. With a bit of work and a bat file you can deploy a working CF/JSP/LAMP app on a Windows Box in about five minutes. If you are interested I have some tutes on my blog on setting up XAMPP with Adobe CF, Railo and BD. On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Don L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gerald Guido I have a fair amount of experience with Open BD and Railo 3 beta using Apache and Tomcat on Windows/Fedora/Centos. I would gladly answer any questions. I would recommend posing your questions to the Open BD Google Group @ http://groups.google.com/group/openbd?hl=en ~G~ Gerald Guido Thank you, Gerald, allow me to be lazy for a minute, cf8 comes with its own web server albeit it is for development only, and it can be installed siliently (without user interaction would probably be more accurate), and this capability (of silent installation + a default web server) is important to me. Secondly, the neat new features on presentation and UI enhancement/cfajax-driven ones like cfwindow, auto-suggest, cfajaxproxy etc. etc. are all critical to this little babe; Thirdly, performance-wise, code itself needs to be sold, sure, while open source libraries tend to be bloated (no disrespect to the talented developers), the cf server memory hog... worrys me... porting current app to BD? a sensible option or a road to nightmare? Don ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:310953 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Free BlueDragon?
f8 comes with its own web server albeit it is for development only, and it can be installed siliently (without user interaction would probably be more accurate) If that is the case you could roll it up with something like XAMPP with the Tomcat Plugin. With a bit of work and a bat file you can deploy a working CF/JSP/LAMP app on a Windows Box in about five minutes. If you are interested I have some tutes on my blog on setting up XAMPP with Adobe CF, Railo and BD. You really don't even have to do that. Both Tomcat and JBoss come with an internal web server that's robust enough to be used in production. just grab the Open BlueDragon war file, add your htm and cfm files to it and drop it into the appropriate java application server deploy directory. In the next deploy life cycle, the jas will pick up the change and start serving the files. regards, larry ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:310975 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Free BlueDragon?
Thank you, Gerald, allow me to be lazy for a minute, cf8 comes with its own web server albeit it is for development only, and it can be installed siliently (without user interaction would probably be more accurate), and this capability (of silent installation + a default web server) is important to me. This could be done fairly easy with almost any J2EE app server, and a bit of shell scripting. fwiw, i just wanted to point out that unless the software hes writing is distributed under a license that is compatible with the GPL then he can't bundle OpenBD with his software. He would have to distribute the software seperately and then install it on OpenBD. The same is not true of Railo 3.1 which is LGPL and can be bundled with a commercial app as long as you don't modify the railo source code. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:310982 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Free BlueDragon?
I don't know why people have this impression but JRun is quite able to run in production as the primary web server (as opposed to using Apache as a front end). Adobe/Macromedia gave this impression by stating this in several places. Also, the JRun web server has practically no functionality beyond serving pages. Other than that, though, I agree with you. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:310991 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Free BlueDragon?
You really don't even have to do that. True. The reason I mentioned XAMPP (Other than I love it) is that it comes with Mysql built in. As well as all the batch scripts you need to start up Tomcat, Mysql, Apache, FTP etc. and install them as services. It is pretty much a complete App stack that can be up and running with a few mouse clicks. The only draw back I see is that the Tomcat plugin is Windows only. As Chris pointed out, one thing you may want to look into, if you haven't already, is how the various CF run times are licensed. HTH ~G~ On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Larry Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: f8 comes with its own web server albeit it is for development only, and it can be installed siliently (without user interaction would probably be more accurate) If that is the case you could roll it up with something like XAMPP with the Tomcat Plugin. With a bit of work and a bat file you can deploy a working CF/JSP/LAMP app on a Windows Box in about five minutes. If you are interested I have some tutes on my blog on setting up XAMPP with Adobe CF, Railo and BD. You really don't even have to do that. Both Tomcat and JBoss come with an internal web server that's robust enough to be used in production. just grab the Open BlueDragon war file, add your htm and cfm files to it and drop it into the appropriate java application server deploy directory. In the next deploy life cycle, the jas will pick up the change and start serving the files. regards, larry ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:310988 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Free BlueDragon?
A quick thank-you note, you guys are awesome! Thank you. I've read a bit on this guy but still does not know anything substantial about it, installing it and playing it out is an option but if I could get some thoughts from someone has done that it would be very desirable for my decision on a small cf8-based app which uses a lot of new and sexy tags/features like auto-suggest, cfwindow etc (I understand a lot of the new UI features uses open source js libraries, making BD to use them manually would be LOTS of work which I don't want to get into...). Many thanks. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311005 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Free BlueDragon?
I have a fair amount of experience with Open BD and Railo 3 beta using Apache and Tomcat on Windows/Fedora/Centos. I would gladly answer any questions. I would recommend posing your questions to the Open BD Google Group @ http://groups.google.com/group/openbd?hl=en ~G~ On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Don L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've read a bit on this guy but still does not know anything substantial about it, installing it and playing it out is an option but if I could get some thoughts from someone has done that it would be very desirable for my decision on a small cf8-based app which uses a lot of new and sexy tags/features like auto-suggest, cfwindow etc (I understand a lot of the new UI features uses open source js libraries, making BD to use them manually would be LOTS of work which I don't want to get into...). Many thanks. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:310938 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Free BlueDragon?
Nitai @ SixSigns posted a video tute on setting up Open BD with apache here: http://www.vimeo.com/1362803 On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Don L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've read a bit on this guy but still does not know anything substantial about it, installing it and playing it out is an option but if I could get some thoughts from someone has done that it would be very desirable for my decision on a small cf8-based app which uses a lot of new and sexy tags/features like auto-suggest, cfwindow etc (I understand a lot of the new UI features uses open source js libraries, making BD to use them manually would be LOTS of work which I don't want to get into...). Many thanks. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:310939 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Free BlueDragon?
Gerald Guido I have a fair amount of experience with Open BD and Railo 3 beta using Apache and Tomcat on Windows/Fedora/Centos. I would gladly answer any questions. I would recommend posing your questions to the Open BD Google Group @ http://groups.google.com/group/openbd?hl=en ~G~ Gerald Guido Thank you, Gerald, allow me to be lazy for a minute, cf8 comes with its own web server albeit it is for development only, and it can be installed siliently (without user interaction would probably be more accurate), and this capability (of silent installation + a default web server) is important to me. Secondly, the neat new features on presentation and UI enhancement/cfajax-driven ones like cfwindow, auto-suggest, cfajaxproxy etc. etc. are all critical to this little babe; Thirdly, performance-wise, code itself needs to be sold, sure, while open source libraries tend to be bloated (no disrespect to the talented developers), the cf server memory hog... worrys me... porting current app to BD? a sensible option or a road to nightmare? Don ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:310940 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Free BlueDragon?
OBD doesn't have any of the CF8 candy that you mention. It is significantly lighter weight than CF though. From what you describe, I think CF is your only option, as neither OBD or Railo (my open source CFML engine of choice) is going to fit the bill. cheers, barneyb Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.barneyb.com On Aug 13, 2008, at 7:35 PM, Don L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gerald Guido I have a fair amount of experience with Open BD and Railo 3 beta using Apache and Tomcat on Windows/Fedora/Centos. I would gladly answer any questions. I would recommend posing your questions to the Open BD Google Group @ http://groups.google.com/group/openbd?hl=en ~G~ Gerald Guido Thank you, Gerald, allow me to be lazy for a minute, cf8 comes with its own web server albeit it is for development only, and it can be installed siliently (without user interaction would probably be more accurate), and this capability (of silent installation + a default web server) is important to me. Secondly, the neat new features on presentation and UI enhancement/cfajax-driven ones like cfwindow, auto-suggest, cfajaxproxy etc. etc. are all critical to this little babe; Thirdly, performance-wise, code itself needs to be sold, sure, while open source libraries tend to be bloated (no disrespect to the talented developers), the cf server memory hog... worrys me... porting current app to BD? a sensible option or a road to nightmare? Don ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:310941 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Free BlueDragon?
Thank you, Gerald, allow me to be lazy for a minute, cf8 comes with its own web server albeit it is for development only, and it can be installed siliently (without user interaction would probably be more accurate), and this capability (of silent installation + a default web server) is important to me. This could be done fairly easy with almost any J2EE app server, and a bit of shell scripting. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:310942 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Free BlueDragon?
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 8:49 PM, Barney Boisvert wrote: OBD doesn't have any of the CF8 candy that you mention. It is significantly lighter weight than CF though. From what you describe, I think CF is your only option, as neither OBD or Railo (my open source CFML engine of choice) is going to fit the bill. If I was writing any type of kick-ass dhtml application I was thinking about distributing I'd use a third party javascript library. I love the easy ajax aspect of the built-in GUI tags like cfwindow, which is swell, but if you're serious about dhtml, go whole-hog. It'll be worth it in the end. IMHO. And that third-party library is dojo, for my money. *Especially* if you're a cf tag-based developer, you'd love it, as it's got a tag-based way of doing things (as well as pure JS, which I sorta like better, but anyways). Accessible, internationalible, and just plain fun to work with. But, I just like this stuff, so, you know, take it for what it's worth. -- The way to gain a good reputation is to endeavor to be what you desire to appear. Socrates ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:310943 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
On Saturday 22 Feb 2003 17:10 pm, Vince Bonfanti wrote: The only conflict to watch out for is when you go to install a web server adapter to IIS or Apache--in that case you can only have one of BlueDragon/CFMX/CF5 attached to the web server. But you can just use ProxyPass or mod_rewrite to map the server on port 8500 into the URI space of your port 80 Apache server, so it's not much of an issue. -- Tom C Unanswered Questions #6: Who created the Universe ? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
The only conflict to watch out for is when you go to install a web server adapter to IIS or Apache--in that case you can only have one of BlueDragon/CFMX/CF5 attached to the web server. But you can just use ProxyPass or mod_rewrite to map the server on port 8500 into the URI space of your port 80 Apache server, so it's not much of an issue. You don't even have to do that. You can just enable BlueDragon or CFMX or CF5 within specific virtual servers or directories, on Apache or IIS. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
| | You don't even have to do that. You can just enable BlueDragon or CFMX or | CF5 within specific virtual servers or directories, on Apache or IIS. | | Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software | http://www.figleaf.com/ | voice: (202) 797-5496 | fax: (202) 797-5444 | I would be interested in seeing more details on this feature ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
You don't even have to do that. You can just enable BlueDragon or CFMX or CF5 within specific virtual servers or directories, on Apache or IIS. I would be interested in seeing more details on this feature I've described this more than once on this list, I'm sure, so it's probably in the archives. Nevertheless, it's not too difficult to do. With IIS, you can use wsconfig to configure CFMX to work with an individual virtual server; what this does is configure either an ISAPI filter or extension to work with that virtual server, and create a virtual directory called JrunScripts, which maps to the same folder that contains the ISAPI DLL. You can set up CF 5 manually, for a specific virtual server or application, by mapping the .cfm extension to \CFusion\BIN\ISCF.DLL. With Apache, you simply put the appropriate directives within a VirtualHost directive. Here's an example, from my laptop: VirtualHost mycf5.figleaf.com ServerAdmin [EMAIL PROTECTED] DocumentRoot C:/htdocs/mycf5/ LoadModule coldfusion_module modules/mod_coldfusion.so AddHandler type-coldfusion cfm dbm /VirtualHost VirtualHost mycfmx.figleaf.com ServerAdmin [EMAIL PROTECTED] DocumentRoot C:/htdocs/mycfmx/ # JRun Settings LoadModule jrun_module C:/CFusionMX/runtime/lib/wsconfig/2/mod_jrun20.so IfModule mod_jrun20.c JRunConfig Verbose false JRunConfig Apialloc false JRunConfig Ssl false JRunConfig Ignoresuffixmap false JRunConfig Serverstore C:/CFusionMX/runtime/lib/wsconfig/2/jrunserver.store JRunConfig Bootstrap 127.0.0.1:51010 #JRunConfig Errorurl optionally redirect to this URL on errors AddHandler jrun-handler .jsp .jws /IfModule /VirtualHost To make this work on my laptop, with both hosts using the same IP socket, I added the appropriate entries to my hosts file. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
On Saturday, February 22, 2003, at 10:24 AM, Vince Bonfanti wrote: Note that the BlueDragon implementation is via the new PAGE attribute of the CFINCLUDE tag (and not via the GetPageContext function), which allows you to include the output of JSP pages or servlets in a CFML page: BlueDragon also implement a new CFFORWARD tag to do a server-side redirect equivalent to CFMX's GetPageContext().forward(): BTW, we plan to add support for GetPageContext() in BlueDragon 3.1 in order to provide compatibility with CFMX, but we still like our implementation better. :-) ColdFusion now has all three: -- start includeanything.cfm -- !--- The includeanything tag will include any type of page, not just a CFM template. @attribute page (required) Relative path to the template you want to include. --- cfif #thisTag.executionMode# is start cfparam name=attributes.page / cfscript getPageContext().include(attributes.page); /cfscript /cfif -- end includeanything.cfm -- -- start forward.cfm -- !--- The forward tag will perform a server-side redirect. @attribute page (required) Relative path to the template you want to forward to. --- cfif #thisTag.executionMode# is start cfparam name=attributes.page / cfscript getPageContext().forward(attributes.page); /cfscript /cfif -- end forward.cfm -- Christian ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
On Saturday, Feb 22, 2003, at 07:24 US/Pacific, Vince Bonfanti wrote: My apologies--CFMX does indeed offer similar capabilities as BlueDragon in this regard. It was an oversight on my part, and not a deliberate attempt to mislead. No problem. I expected it was just an oversight. I've been reading through the compatibility guide (thank you) to see what other enhancements New Atlanta has added. Note that the BlueDragon implementation is via the new PAGE attribute of the CFINCLUDE tag (and not via the GetPageContext function), which allows you to include the output of JSP pages or servlets in a CFML page: cfinclude page=header.jsp cfinclude page=/servlet/myServlet BlueDragon also implement a new CFFORWARD tag to do a server-side redirect equivalent to CFMX's GetPageContext().forward(): Can you obtain the page context object in any way in BlueDragon? I was just wondering if there was a way that people could write their JSP include/forward so that it was compatible between both products. Details of CFINCLUDE, CFFORWARD, and other CFML enhancements introduced by BlueDragon (such as the CFIMAP tag) are in the BlueDragon CFML Compatibility Guide: This is a good piece of documentation - I learned some interesting things about CF5 from it! It's also good that you point out these enhancements and incompatibilities so that developers who are keen to write portable code can continue to do so. Anyone's who's interested in learning more about the CFML/Java/JSP integration features offered by BlueDragon will be interested in attending my talk at the upcoming MXNorth conference: I assume this will cover more ground than your (enjoyable and informative) BACFUG talk from a few months back? BTW, we plan to add support for GetPageContext() in BlueDragon 3.1 in order to provide compatibility with CFMX, but we still like our implementation better. :-) Ah, that answers my question above then. Roll on version 3.1 then! Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
I'm giving two talks at MXNorth. The first, Intro to JSP for CFML Developers is a slightly updated version of the presentation I gave at BACFUG in December (I also gave this presentation to the Atlanta CFUG, and somewhere else I don't remember offhand). This one is on Friday at 2:15 pm. The second talk is Integrating CFML and J2EE Web Applications on Sunday at 1:00 pm. I think I gave a presentation with the same title at CFNorth last year, but this one is completely different. Last year was all slides and theory, this one will be mostly practical code examples. Finally, for anyone who's interested, we'll be demonstrating BlueDragon for .NET in our booth at MXNorth (the first ever public demonstration). Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 11:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: FREE BlueDragon Server Released! ... Anyone's who's interested in learning more about the CFML/Java/JSP integration features offered by BlueDragon will be interested in attending my talk at the upcoming MXNorth conference: I assume this will cover more ground than your (enjoyable and informative) BACFUG talk from a few months back? ... ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
When I install on a machine without IIS v5, it asks me if I want to install the web adapter for IIS. On another box I have uninstalled ColdFusion and started to install Blue Dragon. The installation program does not offer me an option to install the web adapter for IIS, and the administrator crashes when I go there later. Does this make sense? Eric From: Vince Bonfanti [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released! Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 12:10:31 -0500 Yes CFMX and BlueDragon (and CF5) can all peacefully co-exist on the same machine. CFMX has a built-in web server that runs on port 8500 by default. BlueDragon Server has a built-in web server that runs on port 8080 by default--as long as you don't have anything already installed using port 8080 (such as Tomcat) you'll be OK. You can also specify a port other than 8080 when installing BlueDragon. The only conflict to watch out for is when you go to install a web server adapter to IIS or Apache--in that case you can only have one of BlueDragon/CFMX/CF5 attached to the web server. Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Frank Mamone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 11:44 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: FREE BlueDragon Server Released! Vince, I apologize if I missed your response on this, but my question was if CFMX and BlueDragon can co-exist on a development server for testing and maybe access blue dragon on a port other that 80? Thanks, Frank Mamone ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
Hi Eric, See responses inserted below. Vince -Original Message- From: Eric Dawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 9:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released! When I install on a machine without IIS v5, it asks me if I want to install the web adapter for IIS. The BlueDragon installer prompts for a web adapter based on registry entries. My only guess would be that IIS was installed previously and then removed, but the registry wasn't cleaned up properly. On another box I have uninstalled ColdFusion and started to install Blue Dragon. The installation program does not offer me an option to install the web adapter for IIS, and the administrator crashes when I go there later. Again, BlueDragon detects the presence of IIS based on registry entries--if the registry entries aren't there, then BlueDragon thinks IIS isn't there. We've seen this in one or two other cases and are putting together a set of instructions for manually installing the IIS adapter in this case. What do you mean by the administrator crashes? Does the BlueDragon administration console display at all or do you get an error message in the browser? Can you serve the home page of the built-in web server: http://localhost:8080/index.cfm For completeness, which operating system are you running? Do you have the disk formatted as NTFS or FAT32? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
Thanks for the help, and quick response. My current guess is... I previously had TomCat installed, and I was experimenting with using IIS as the thingy for the jangy. There might be some residual stuff hanging around. This was essentially a dev box I grabbed from a pile, and powered on to test a couple of things. So I don't quite remember its history. I may install from scratch. I am running w2k, ntfs. cleaning registry now... Eric From: Vince Bonfanti [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released! Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:26:49 -0500 Hi Eric, See responses inserted below. Vince -Original Message- From: Eric Dawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 9:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released! When I install on a machine without IIS v5, it asks me if I want to install the web adapter for IIS. The BlueDragon installer prompts for a web adapter based on registry entries. My only guess would be that IIS was installed previously and then removed, but the registry wasn't cleaned up properly. On another box I have uninstalled ColdFusion and started to install Blue Dragon. The installation program does not offer me an option to install the web adapter for IIS, and the administrator crashes when I go there later. Again, BlueDragon detects the presence of IIS based on registry entries--if the registry entries aren't there, then BlueDragon thinks IIS isn't there. We've seen this in one or two other cases and are putting together a set of instructions for manually installing the IIS adapter in this case. What do you mean by the administrator crashes? Does the BlueDragon administration console display at all or do you get an error message in the browser? Can you serve the home page of the built-in web server: http://localhost:8080/index.cfm For completeness, which operating system are you running? Do you have the disk formatted as NTFS or FAT32? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
Yes, we've made significant strides based on feedback from customers like you. If you continue to have problems with the 3.0.1 service pack please contact me directly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and I'll make they get addressed. Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: AJ W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 6:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: FREE BlueDragon Server Released! I hope that New Atlanta has worked on the compatibility problems I was seeing last year. I was quick to try out Blue Dragon as an alternate to CFMX Linux, primarily because CFMX at that time did not run very well w/ Linux. After a month or so with BD I hung up that hat and went back to CF5. There was WAY too many tags that either weren't supported or were supported partially. Probably the largest frustration was the problem with how BD would interpret variables sent with or w/o quotes. It would choke on them in a bad way and also it didn't have the forgiveness of CF to interpret character types. But, as I told them, I hope that they do eventually present a compatible product so that we can send Macromedia a message or two. :-} ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
My apologies--CFMX does indeed offer similar capabilities as BlueDragon in
this regard. It was an oversight on my part, and not a deliberate attempt to
mislead.
Note that the BlueDragon implementation is via the new PAGE attribute of the
CFINCLUDE tag (and not via the GetPageContext function), which allows you to
include the output of JSP pages or servlets in a CFML page:
cfinclude page=header.jsp
cfinclude page=/servlet/myServlet
BlueDragon also implement a new CFFORWARD tag to do a server-side redirect
equivalent to CFMX's GetPageContext().forward():
cfforward page=nextpage.cfm
cfforward page=nextpage.jsp
Details of CFINCLUDE, CFFORWARD, and other CFML enhancements introduced by
BlueDragon (such as the CFIMAP tag) are in the BlueDragon CFML Compatibility
Guide:
http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/self_help/docs/index.cfm
Anyone's who's interested in learning more about the CFML/Java/JSP
integration features offered by BlueDragon will be interested in attending
my talk at the upcoming MXNorth conference:
http://www.mxnorth.com/speakers.cfm?ID=16
BTW, we plan to add support for GetPageContext() in BlueDragon 3.1 in order
to provide compatibility with CFMX, but we still like our implementation
better. :-)
Vince Bonfanti
New Atlanta Communications, LLC
http://www.newatlanta.com
-Original Message-
From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 10:22 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
On Friday, Feb 21, 2003, at 13:49 US/Pacific, Vince Bonfanti wrote:
In this case we're using the BlueDragon/J2EE edition
running within a
standard J2EE WAR file side-by-side with the JSP pages. In
fact, some
of the common page elements (headers, footers, menu bars) are
implemented via CFINCLUDE of JSP pages, demonstrating a unique
CFML/JSP integration feature offered only by BlueDragon.
That's not unique - CFMX allows you to include JSP pages:
cfm.cfm:
cfoutput
We're in CFML.br /
cfset getPageContext().include('jsp.jsp')
We're back in CFML.br /
/cfoutput
jsp.jsp:
% String s = new String(JSP); %
This is a %= s % page.br /
This produces:
We're in CFML.
This is a JSP page.
We're back in CFML.
Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/
If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive.
-- Margaret Atwood
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Re: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
Vince, I apologize if I missed your response on this, but my question was if CFMX and BlueDragon can co-exist on a development server for testing and maybe access blue dragon on a port other that 80? Thanks, Frank Mamone - Original Message - From: Vince Bonfanti [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 10:11 AM Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released! Yes, we've made significant strides based on feedback from customers like you. If you continue to have problems with the 3.0.1 service pack please contact me directly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and I'll make they get addressed. Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: AJ W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 6:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: FREE BlueDragon Server Released! I hope that New Atlanta has worked on the compatibility problems I was seeing last year. I was quick to try out Blue Dragon as an alternate to CFMX Linux, primarily because CFMX at that time did not run very well w/ Linux. After a month or so with BD I hung up that hat and went back to CF5. There was WAY too many tags that either weren't supported or were supported partially. Probably the largest frustration was the problem with how BD would interpret variables sent with or w/o quotes. It would choke on them in a bad way and also it didn't have the forgiveness of CF to interpret character types. But, as I told them, I hope that they do eventually present a compatible product so that we can send Macromedia a message or two. :-} ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
Yes CFMX and BlueDragon (and CF5) can all peacefully co-exist on the same machine. CFMX has a built-in web server that runs on port 8500 by default. BlueDragon Server has a built-in web server that runs on port 8080 by default--as long as you don't have anything already installed using port 8080 (such as Tomcat) you'll be OK. You can also specify a port other than 8080 when installing BlueDragon. The only conflict to watch out for is when you go to install a web server adapter to IIS or Apache--in that case you can only have one of BlueDragon/CFMX/CF5 attached to the web server. Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Frank Mamone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 11:44 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: FREE BlueDragon Server Released! Vince, I apologize if I missed your response on this, but my question was if CFMX and BlueDragon can co-exist on a development server for testing and maybe access blue dragon on a port other that 80? Thanks, Frank Mamone ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
-Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 2:27 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released! Wow. The 'free' part doesn't extend to a production box, right? Not sure about the definition of 'deployment'. Hi Matt, Indeed it does extend to production! The only restriction is on redistribution. From: http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/product_info/pricing.cfm Deployment Licensing: The base version of BlueDragon Server is FREE for deployment, with restrictions only on redistribution*. Prior license purchases of BlueDragon Server will be upgraded for free to BlueDragon Server JX. Please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] to receive your free upgrade. *Redistribution of BlueDragon as part of a packaged application requires a VAR/OEM Licensing Agreement with New Atlanta. For more details on New Atlanta's VAR/OEM licensing program, please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please be sure to read the pages on CFML Tag Support, http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/product_info/cfml_tag_support. cfm Feature Comparisons http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/product_info/features.cfm BlueDragon CFML Compatibility Guide http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/self_help/docs/index.cfm section for additional details. Regards, Dan Ganter New Atlanta Communications, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
Yes, absolutely it extends to a production box. You may use the BlueDragon Server free edition however you want, for no charge. The only thing you can't do is redistribute it--for that you'll need an OEM/VAR agreement (pricing will be very reasonable, or even free depending on what you want to do). Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 2:27 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released! Wow. The 'free' part doesn't extend to a production box, right? Not sure about the definition of 'deployment'. Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
This finally kills dead all of that php/asp 'but its free' garbage, which never had any validity in the first place. All sorts of implications here. Sure would like to see a lot of new cfml developers enter the world as we know it. Interesting times :) Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 6:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released! Yes, absolutely it extends to a production box. You may use the BlueDragon Server free edition however you want, for no charge. The only thing you can't do is redistribute it--for that you'll need an OEM/VAR agreement (pricing will be very reasonable, or even free depending on what you want to do). Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 2:27 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released! Wow. The 'free' part doesn't extend to a production box, right? Not sure about the definition of 'deployment'. Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
Unfortunately, as long as the extensibility of the free version is pretty much non-existent, it's only place will be small limited scope projects. -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Friday, February 21, 2003, 1:53:55 PM, you wrote: MR This finally kills dead all of that php/asp 'but its free' garbage, MR which never had any validity in the first place. All sorts of MR implications here. Sure would like to see a lot of new cfml developers MR enter the world as we know it. MR Interesting times :) MR MR Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] MR MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com MR MR -Original Message- MR From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] MR Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 6:59 AM MR To: CF-Talk MR Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released! MR Yes, absolutely it extends to a production box. You may use the MR BlueDragon MR Server free edition however you want, for no charge. The only thing you MR can't do is redistribute it--for that you'll need an OEM/VAR agreement MR (pricing will be very reasonable, or even free depending on what you MR want to MR do). MR Vince Bonfanti MR New Atlanta Communications, LLC MR http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 2:27 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released! Wow. The 'free' part doesn't extend to a production box, right? Not sure about the definition of 'deployment'. Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com MR ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
I don't think you will ever kill that argument. There are some people who - for whatever reason - think ALL commercial software is the tool of the devil, and if you try to sell code you are commiting a mortal sin. They will NEVER be convinced otherwise. (Or so it seems.) === Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc Member of Team Macromedia Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog : www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus/blog Yahoo IM : morpheus My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. - Yoda -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 12:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released! This finally kills dead all of that php/asp 'but its free' garbage, which never had any validity in the first place. All sorts of implications here. Sure would like to see a lot of new cfml developers enter the world as we know it. Interesting times :) ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
Will be interesting to see what kind of traction BlueDragon gets in the marketplace. And if it suceeds, what kind of pricing pressure this puts on MM. And one could argue that if it causes sufficient pricing pressure, MM might have to respond in a way that reduces their revenue and therefore cash available for future enhancements to CF. Ken -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 1:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released! This finally kills dead all of that php/asp 'but its free' garbage, which never had any validity in the first place. All sorts of implications here. Sure would like to see a lot of new cfml developers enter the world as we know it. Interesting times :) Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 6:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released! Yes, absolutely it extends to a production box. You may use the BlueDragon Server free edition however you want, for no charge. The only thing you can't do is redistribute it--for that you'll need an OEM/VAR agreement (pricing will be very reasonable, or even free depending on what you want to do). Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 2:27 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released! Wow. The 'free' part doesn't extend to a production box, right? Not sure about the definition of 'deployment'. Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released! (It is all about competition)
Will be interesting to see what kind of traction BlueDragon gets in the marketplace. And if it suceeds(sic), what kind of pricing pressure this puts on MM. And one could argue that if it causes sufficient pricing pressure, MM might have to respond in a way that reduces their revenue and therefore cash available for future enhancements to CF. That sentiment is a double-edged sword. No one owns the syntax of the CFML markup language, anyone can implement ColdFusion in their products (as long as it properly done). True competition is the breeding ground for innovation IMO. If Macromedia is forced to earn its market leading position in the CF market, then it will have to put out a better product. It is ok to charge for the product: it just has to be better. I will keep on using the official MM version as long as they stay innovative and allow for true competition. Choice is a boon in the software world. With choice you can pick one vendor or another, whichever suits your needs best. If one company owns the CF world you get to lap up whatever they send your way. Sure, MM responds to community feedback, and it is in their best interests to do what benefits their developers. That still doesn't change the fact that a single entity is responsible for providing CF to the CF development world in a uni-vendor scenario. Granted that is how it has been for a long time with CF, it doesn't have to be and the entrance of other players is fine with me. You end up with a Microsoft when you encourage behaviors like snubbing competitors by intentionally breaking compatibility with competition. Saying that, because MM must compete it might provide them with less revenue for enhancements, leads down a slippery slope in my opinion. In a market leading position it is *easy* to snub the competition and break their products and create a sufficient rift in the vendor compatibility. When people want the a version of CF compatible with the official (undocumented/authentic) version of CF you have one choice for a vendor again. By keeping CF innovate, fresh, and better MM will stay competitive, in the lead, and keep CF developers happy by providing more and more features to keep the product relevant. If they make a lot less money because some competitor is getting some of their revenue that says to me they are losing their competitive edge. In that situation others are choosing to use a different platform for some reason. The very existence of other platforms people are buying into is better in my opinion than blindly filling the MM coffers for future enhancements. It is an enhancement to the CF marketplace for consumers to have a choice with what vendor provides them their CF platform. Jeremy ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
This finally kills dead all of that php/asp 'but its free' garbage, which never had any validity in the first place. I don't know if I'd go as far as that. First of all, BlueDragon != CFMX. Second, there's validity to the argument that free software is better than non-free software, all other things being equal. Of course, in the real world, all other things usually aren't equal. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
At 01:01 PM 2/21/03 -0600, Raymond Camden wrote: I don't think you will ever kill that argument. There are some people who - for whatever reason - think ALL commercial software is the tool of the devil, and if you try to sell code you are commiting a mortal sin. They will NEVER be convinced otherwise. (Or so it seems.) That's true. How do people like that make money? T ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
Part of me is elated and part of me has the shivers. We'll just have to sit and watch. With multiple *viable* platforms any manner of outcomes are possible. Viable doesn't just mean technically sound, or even superior. Have seen some great products flushed to neverland via poor marketing or ill-conceived pricing strategies. I was pretty ticked to see CF go back up in price late last yr. Seemed like a mystifying move in the wrong direction at the time, and now... Like I said, interesting times. --- Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com --- -- Original Message -- From: Ken Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:16:52 -0500 Will be interesting to see what kind of traction BlueDragon gets in the marketplace. And if it suceeds, what kind of pricing pressure this puts on MM. And one could argue that if it causes sufficient pricing pressure, MM might have to respond in a way that reduces their revenue and therefore cash available for future enhancements to CF. Ken -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 1:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released! This finally kills dead all of that php/asp 'but its free' garbage, which never had any validity in the first place. All sorts of implications here. Sure would like to see a lot of new cfml developers enter the world as we know it. Interesting times :) Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 6:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released! Yes, absolutely it extends to a production box. You may use the BlueDragon Server free edition however you want, for no charge. The only thing you can't do is redistribute it--for that you'll need an OEM/VAR agreement (pricing will be very reasonable, or even free depending on what you want to do). Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 2:27 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released! Wow. The 'free' part doesn't extend to a production box, right? Not sure about the definition of 'deployment'. Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
At 01:01 PM 2/21/03 -0600, Raymond Camden wrote: I don't think you will ever kill that argument. There are some people who - for whatever reason - think ALL commercial software is the tool of the devil, and if you try to sell code you are commiting a mortal sin. They will NEVER be convinced otherwise. (Or so it seems.) That's true. How do people like that make money? They make their money in some other way and programming to them is a hobby. Or they give away free software in the hopes of creating a reputation for themselves which will help them sell the service of software development / integration for in-house projects for large corporations, small contracts, or just plain landing a good job. I do that myself ( http://www.turnkey.to/tapi ) although I also sell software licenses. I suspect the thinking is that because software can be distributed for free (if you really wanted to you could distribute software via a Geocities, Angelfire or Tripod website) that all software licensing should also be free, leaving any and all competition between consultants over money spent on services rendered. In other words, if it doesn't cost you anything, don't charge anything. Even free software costs something to the person developing it (time) but I think they rationalize that expense as the cost of doing business -- marketing dollars essentially. Though with it now being horribly easy to hire programmers from India or the Phillipines I wonder that the consultant cowboy is apt to be hardest hit by future shifts in power when the software they've spent so many hours developing as a marketing effort is being implemented more often by people who will do their job for 1/3rd of their wage. s. isaac dealey954-776-0046 new epoch http://www.turnkey.to lead architect, tapestry cms http://products.turnkey.to tapestry api is opensource http://www.turnkey.to/tapi certified advanced coldfusion 5 developer http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=21816 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
I guess once I've finished implementing multiple languages for Tapestry (soon I hope) I need to investigate a VAR agreement with New Atlanta so I can start distributing self-installing CD's. Part of me is elated and part of me has the shivers. We'll just have to sit and watch. With multiple *viable* platforms any manner of outcomes are possible. Viable doesn't just mean technically sound, or even superior. Have seen some great products flushed to neverland via poor marketing or ill-conceived pricing strategies. I was pretty ticked to see CF go back up in price late last yr. Seemed like a mystifying move in the wrong direction at the time, and now... Like I said, interesting times. --- Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com --- -- Original Message -- From: Ken Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:16:52 -0500 Will be interesting to see what kind of traction BlueDragon gets in the marketplace. And if it suceeds, what kind of pricing pressure this puts on MM. And one could argue that if it causes sufficient pricing pressure, MM might have to respond in a way that reduces their revenue and therefore cash available for future enhancements to CF. Ken -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 1:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released! This finally kills dead all of that php/asp 'but its free' garbage, which never had any validity in the first place. All sorts of implications here. Sure would like to see a lot of new cfml developers enter the world as we know it. Interesting times :) Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 6:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released! Yes, absolutely it extends to a production box. You may use the BlueDragon Server free edition however you want, for no charge. The only thing you can't do is redistribute it--for that you'll need an OEM/VAR agreement (pricing will be very reasonable, or even free depending on what you want to do). Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 2:27 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released! Wow. The 'free' part doesn't extend to a production box, right? Not sure about the definition of 'deployment'. Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com ~~ ~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index. cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/uns ubscribe.cfm?user=633.558.4 s. isaac dealey954-776-0046 new epoch http://www.turnkey.to lead architect, tapestry cms http://products.turnkey.to tapestry api is opensource http://www.turnkey.to/tapi certified advanced coldfusion 5 developer http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=21816 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
maybe its just me but I find it interesting when companies offer a product but then they use a different product to deliver it to you. What I mean is that take bluedragon for example, obviously its a cfm app but they are using jsp. While I realize that cfmx can use jsp, I wasn't aware that blue dragon could. maybe im just crazy but I notice things like that. kinda like if you are buying a honda but you see the sales manager driving a toyota, if its so great, then why aren't they using it? I'm not knocking bluedragon just something that I notice but it would also probably keep me from even trying it out. Dave - Original Message - From: Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 3:10 PM Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released! This finally kills dead all of that php/asp 'but its free' garbage, which never had any validity in the first place. I don't know if I'd go as far as that. First of all, BlueDragon != CFMX. Second, there's validity to the argument that free software is better than non-free software, all other things being equal. Of course, in the real world, all other things usually aren't equal. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
I totally hear you with that one. Although it could well be that their needs are such that JSP/Servlets is a better choice, and so they are marketing a product to an audience that they themselves are not a member of. Still, since they're obviously running a J2EE server (which BD will run on) it seems like they'd at least do the product site in cfm via BD for this exact reason. barneyb -Original Message- From: Dave Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 1:10 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: FREE BlueDragon Server Released! maybe its just me but I find it interesting when companies offer a product but then they use a different product to deliver it to you. What I mean is that take bluedragon for example, obviously its a cfm app but they are using jsp. While I realize that cfmx can use jsp, I wasn't aware that blue dragon could. maybe im just crazy but I notice things like that. kinda like if you are buying a honda but you see the sales manager driving a toyota, if its so great, then why aren't they using it? I'm not knocking bluedragon just something that I notice but it would also probably keep me from even trying it out. Dave - Original Message - From: Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 3:10 PM Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released! This finally kills dead all of that php/asp 'but its free' garbage, which never had any validity in the first place. I don't know if I'd go as far as that. First of all, BlueDragon != CFMX. Second, there's validity to the argument that free software is better than non-free software, all other things being equal. Of course, in the real world, all other things usually aren't equal. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
If I understand correctly, and there's a very good chance that I don't, BD allows you to use the CFML language while using a Java App server instead of the CF App server. It basically allows you to embed CFML into JSP pages (or something like that). So, just because the file ends in JSP, it could still be written in CFML. -- Mosh Teitelbaum evoch, LLC Tel: (301) 942-5378 Fax: (301) 933-3651 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.evoch.com/ -Original Message- From: Dave Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 4:10 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: FREE BlueDragon Server Released! maybe its just me but I find it interesting when companies offer a product but then they use a different product to deliver it to you. What I mean is that take bluedragon for example, obviously its a cfm app but they are using jsp. While I realize that cfmx can use jsp, I wasn't aware that blue dragon could. maybe im just crazy but I notice things like that. kinda like if you are buying a honda but you see the sales manager driving a toyota, if its so great, then why aren't they using it? I'm not knocking bluedragon just something that I notice but it would also probably keep me from even trying it out. Dave - Original Message - From: Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 3:10 PM Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released! This finally kills dead all of that php/asp 'but its free' garbage, which never had any validity in the first place. I don't know if I'd go as far as that. First of all, BlueDragon != CFMX. Second, there's validity to the argument that free software is better than non-free software, all other things being equal. Of course, in the real world, all other things usually aren't equal. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
i dont know enough about it to really know. It was just my immediate thought Dave - Original Message - From: Mosh Teitelbaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 4:19 PM Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released! If I understand correctly, and there's a very good chance that I don't, BD allows you to use the CFML language while using a Java App server instead of the CF App server. It basically allows you to embed CFML into JSP pages (or something like that). So, just because the file ends in JSP, it could still be written in CFML. -- Mosh Teitelbaum evoch, LLC Tel: (301) 942-5378 Fax: (301) 933-3651 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.evoch.com/ -Original Message- From: Dave Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 4:10 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: FREE BlueDragon Server Released! maybe its just me but I find it interesting when companies offer a product but then they use a different product to deliver it to you. What I mean is that take bluedragon for example, obviously its a cfm app but they are using jsp. While I realize that cfmx can use jsp, I wasn't aware that blue dragon could. maybe im just crazy but I notice things like that. kinda like if you are buying a honda but you see the sales manager driving a toyota, if its so great, then why aren't they using it? I'm not knocking bluedragon just something that I notice but it would also probably keep me from even trying it out. Dave - Original Message - From: Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 3:10 PM Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released! This finally kills dead all of that php/asp 'but its free' garbage, which never had any validity in the first place. I don't know if I'd go as far as that. First of all, BlueDragon != CFMX. Second, there's validity to the argument that free software is better than non-free software, all other things being equal. Of course, in the real world, all other things usually aren't equal. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
Hi Dave, I think your delivery inference means that our download page is a JSP, which is correct: http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/download.jsp However, that's merely due to legacy JSP code leveraged across all product downloads, including ServletExec and JTurbo. New Atlanta's website runs BlueDragon/J2EE on top of ServletExec, with the entire site deployed within a J2EE archive (WAR file). Our hybrid JSP/CFML website runs JSPs for most sections (again, legacy..), but the BlueDragon section is CFML. And if we had to re-write it all from scratch, I'm sure the entire site would be CFML. Most pages beneath the BlueDragon main products page: http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/index.cfm on down are CFML pages rendered by BlueDragon. I think showing both technologies side-by-side is very effective, and in our case reflects a real world situation when maintaining a site over a long period of time We crave our own dogfood here ;-) Regards, Dan Dan Ganter New Atlanta Communications [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Dave Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 4:10 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: FREE BlueDragon Server Released! maybe its just me but I find it interesting when companies offer a product but then they use a different product to deliver it to you. What I mean is that take bluedragon for example, obviously its a cfm app but they are using jsp. While I realize that cfmx can use jsp, I wasn't aware that blue dragon could. maybe im just crazy but I notice things like that. kinda like if you are buying a honda but you see the sales manager driving a toyota, if its so great, then why aren't they using it? I'm not knocking bluedragon just something that I notice but it would also probably keep me from even trying it out. Dave - Original Message - From: Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 3:10 PM Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released! This finally kills dead all of that php/asp 'but its free' garbage, which never had any validity in the first place. I don't know if I'd go as far as that. First of all, BlueDragon != CFMX. Second, there's validity to the argument that free software is better than non-free software, all other things being equal. Of course, in the real world, all other things usually aren't equal. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
its like i said, i wasnt trying to knock it. It was just my first reaction. But i knew if i posted it here it would get clarified. I'm more of a business man than a developer so i tend to look at things like that. :) Dave - Original Message - From: Daniel Ganter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 4:29 PM Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released! Hi Dave, I think your delivery inference means that our download page is a JSP, which is correct: http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/download.jsp However, that's merely due to legacy JSP code leveraged across all product downloads, including ServletExec and JTurbo. New Atlanta's website runs BlueDragon/J2EE on top of ServletExec, with the entire site deployed within a J2EE archive (WAR file). Our hybrid JSP/CFML website runs JSPs for most sections (again, legacy..), but the BlueDragon section is CFML. And if we had to re-write it all from scratch, I'm sure the entire site would be CFML. Most pages beneath the BlueDragon main products page: http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/index.cfm on down are CFML pages rendered by BlueDragon. I think showing both technologies side-by-side is very effective, and in our case reflects a real world situation when maintaining a site over a long period of time We crave our own dogfood here ;-) Regards, Dan Dan Ganter New Atlanta Communications [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Dave Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 4:10 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: FREE BlueDragon Server Released! maybe its just me but I find it interesting when companies offer a product but then they use a different product to deliver it to you. What I mean is that take bluedragon for example, obviously its a cfm app but they are using jsp. While I realize that cfmx can use jsp, I wasn't aware that blue dragon could. maybe im just crazy but I notice things like that. kinda like if you are buying a honda but you see the sales manager driving a toyota, if its so great, then why aren't they using it? I'm not knocking bluedragon just something that I notice but it would also probably keep me from even trying it out. Dave - Original Message - From: Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 3:10 PM Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released! This finally kills dead all of that php/asp 'but its free' garbage, which never had any validity in the first place. I don't know if I'd go as far as that. First of all, BlueDragon != CFMX. Second, there's validity to the argument that free software is better than non-free software, all other things being equal. Of course, in the real world, all other things usually aren't equal. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
New Atlanta's web site is built entirely using New Atlanta technology. The J2EE Server is our ServletExec JSP/Servlet product, so it's entirely appropriate that portions of our web site are implemented using JSP (just as portions of Macromedia's web site are implemented in JSP on top of JRun). All database access is to Microsoft SQL Server via our JTurbo JDBC driver (which is bundled with BlueDragon). And, yes, most of the BlueDragon portion of our web site is running on BlueDragon: http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/index.cfm In this case we're using the BlueDragon/J2EE edition running within a standard J2EE WAR file side-by-side with the JSP pages. In fact, some of the common page elements (headers, footers, menu bars) are implemented via CFINCLUDE of JSP pages, demonstrating a unique CFML/JSP integration feature offered only by BlueDragon. Session variables are also shared across CFML and JSP pages. Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 4:16 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released! I totally hear you with that one. Although it could well be that their needs are such that JSP/Servlets is a better choice, and so they are marketing a product to an audience that they themselves are not a member of. Still, since they're obviously running a J2EE server (which BD will run on) it seems like they'd at least do the product site in cfm via BD for this exact reason. barneyb ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
I hope that New Atlanta has worked on the compatibility problems I was seeing last year. I was quick to try out Blue Dragon as an alternate to CFMX Linux, primarily because CFMX at that time did not run very well w/ Linux. After a month or so with BD I hung up that hat and went back to CF5. Has MM weeded out most of those problems with MX in the 2 updaters? There was WAY too many tags that either weren't supported or were supported partially. Probably the largest frustration was the problem with how BD would interpret variables sent with or w/o quotes. It would choke on them in a bad way Imho any good tag-based language engine _will_ choke to death (or better gracefully :) on unquoted variables. So for my part I see this as a failing on the part of Allaire / MM. Flash I think does a good job by refusing to acknowledge unquoted attributes in it's imported html. Now if we could just convince M$ and the other big players in the wysiwyg editor department that attributes should be quoted, we'd be good. :) and also it didn't have the forgiveness of CF to interpret character types. But, as I told them, I hope that they do eventually present a compatible product so that we can send Macromedia a message or two. :-} I don't know about sending MM a message. But for my part it'd be nice to be able to distribute self-installing CD's with my CMS and I'm hoping I can get it to work on BD (preferably with a single codebase) since I'm more inclined to think that New Atlanta will be more appreciative of having me as a VAR than MM will. s. isaac dealey954-776-0046 new epoch http://www.turnkey.to lead architect, tapestry cms http://products.turnkey.to tapestry api is opensource http://www.turnkey.to/tapi certified advanced coldfusion 5 developer http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=21816 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
On Friday, Feb 21, 2003, at 13:49 US/Pacific, Vince Bonfanti wrote:
In this case we're using the BlueDragon/J2EE edition running within a
standard J2EE WAR file side-by-side with the JSP pages. In fact, some
of the
common page elements (headers, footers, menu bars) are implemented via
CFINCLUDE of JSP pages, demonstrating a unique CFML/JSP integration
feature
offered only by BlueDragon.
That's not unique - CFMX allows you to include JSP pages:
cfm.cfm:
cfoutput
We're in CFML.br /
cfset getPageContext().include('jsp.jsp')
We're back in CFML.br /
/cfoutput
jsp.jsp:
% String s = new String(JSP); %
This is a %= s % page.br /
This produces:
We're in CFML.
This is a JSP page.
We're back in CFML.
Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/
If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive.
-- Margaret Atwood
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RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
Wow. The 'free' part doesn't extend to a production box, right? Not sure about the definition of 'deployment'. Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
