Re: ODBC Problems?
On Wednesday, Mar 5, 2003, at 09:52 US/Pacific, Bryan Stevenson wrote: Once again no answer to my question regarding the stability of CFMX in a shared hosting environment!! A lack of an answer leads me to beleive that it is in fact unstable and MM does not wish to comment on it. I can't comment on it because I have no experience with shared environments. I will forward your post to folks internally and see what I get... Sean A Corfield -- Director, Architecture Web Technology Group -- Macromedia, Inc. tel: (415) 252-2287 -- cell: (415) 717-8473 aim/iChat: seancorfield -- http://www.macromedia.com An Architect's View -- http://www.macromedia.com/go/arch_blog Announcing Macromedia DevNet Subscriptions Maximize your power with our new premium software subscription Find out more: http://www.macromedia.com/go/devnetsubs ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ODBC Problems?
On Tuesday, Mar 4, 2003, at 17:05 US/Pacific, Bryan Stevenson wrote: -if Mike or someone else from MM sees a potential bug on a list -if they can get the info you laid out Dave (and this can be easily obtained by asking the poster) Then they should be able to get that info into the system. Would anyone hear only consider something a bug if a client called you up and paid you for the honor of reporting it? I think not Well, I'm on the list because my team develop ColdFusion applications. Reading everyone's complaints and filing bugs for them is not my job, frankly. I have filed bugs in the past when I've seen an issue that I really think needs fixing (and which might affect my team). If you find a bug, report it to MM. Reporting it here is fine for a sanity check but it is no guarantee MM will see it or act on it. Sean A Corfield -- Director, Architecture Web Technology Group -- Macromedia, Inc. tel: (415) 252-2287 -- cell: (415) 717-8473 aim/iChat: seancorfield -- http://www.macromedia.com An Architect's View -- http://www.macromedia.com/go/arch_blog Announcing Macromedia DevNet Subscriptions Maximize your power with our new premium software subscription Find out more: http://www.macromedia.com/go/devnetsubs ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ODBC Problems?
On Wednesday, Mar 5, 2003, at 07:43 US/Pacific, Joe Eugene wrote: To my knowledge CFMX in production is Unstable.. Especially if you try to to use all the new features. The new macromedia.com uses CFCs heavily and supports extremely high traffic - 16,000 concurrent sessions. Sean A Corfield -- Director, Architecture Web Technology Group -- Macromedia, Inc. tel: (415) 252-2287 -- cell: (415) 717-8473 aim/iChat: seancorfield -- http://www.macromedia.com An Architect's View -- http://www.macromedia.com/go/arch_blog Announcing Macromedia DevNet Subscriptions Maximize your power with our new premium software subscription Find out more: http://www.macromedia.com/go/devnetsubs ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ODBC Problems?
On 3/5/03, Dave Lyons penned: if you have a problem with MM tell them about it, I don't understand why you feel you need to come here and do it. Do you think this group has magic powers and if you cry for them long enough, they will fix your every whim? lol Maybe not EVERY whim, but we originally got the licensing issues (extra $$$ for multi-processor, etc.) taken care of by everyone coming RIGHT HERE and griping. This venue has always been partially about that. I'd never before seen a major corporation rethink their pricing/licensing policies just from some posts on a mailing list. So to answer you question, yes, this group certainly DOES have magic powers. :-D -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ http://www.cf-ezcart.com/ 954.721.3452 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ODBC Problems?
Yes, I agree that if a decent discussion is started about it then it seems like Sean Christian jump right in a get something done. But this guy was taking it way to far! And then starts insulting members and saying that he wants to aggravate us. If the guy had a brain cell and a half he'd realize that we are the people that can help him but instead he starts spewing insults at people. a better logic suggests that if you have an issue then get the others to push the maker to fix it, simple common sense. I'd never before seen a major corporation rethink their pricing/licensing policies just from some posts on a mailing list Exactly! but as I recall when ( I believe it was brook) started that out and throughout the duration of the discussion it was handled fairly pleasantly. A complaint was made and a discussion started MM responded. If I was MM I wouldn't respond to that putz either. hey I realize its just my opinion my opinion was he took it too far. If I was MM I'd give him his money back, cancel his license and send him on his cheerful way:) Maybe Tony could share his half pipe with him and things would chill a bit and he'd get taken care of. dave - Original Message - From: Bud [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 7:37 AM Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? On 3/5/03, Dave Lyons penned: if you have a problem with MM tell them about it, I don't understand why you feel you need to come here and do it. Do you think this group has magic powers and if you cry for them long enough, they will fix your every whim? lol Maybe not EVERY whim, but we originally got the licensing issues (extra $$$ for multi-processor, etc.) taken care of by everyone coming RIGHT HERE and griping. This venue has always been partially about that. I'd never before seen a major corporation rethink their pricing/licensing policies just from some posts on a mailing list. So to answer you question, yes, this group certainly DOES have magic powers. :-D -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ http://www.cf-ezcart.com/ 954.721.3452 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ODBC Problems?
Joe Eugene wrote: If the issue is a CFMX issue, then you do not have to pay anything. What else do u think it is? The other option is a bug in the Oracle ODBC drivers. The CF MX ODBC Service is the most likely candidate for being the cause of this problem, but I don't think it is the only one. Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ODBC Problems?
Joe Eugene wrote: I got the JDBC driver working. The purpose of this whole post is to find out why the CFMX ODBC Agent/Server is not working/stable? I never saw any MM documentation saying that CFMX ODBC Connections are NOT Stable or NOT supposed to work. How much documentation do you need? I see not recommended and I interpret that as code language for has a 50% chance of failure. Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ODBC Problems?
LOL! - Original Message - From: Jochem van Dieten [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 8:15 AM Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? Joe Eugene wrote: I got the JDBC driver working. The purpose of this whole post is to find out why the CFMX ODBC Agent/Server is not working/stable? I never saw any MM documentation saying that CFMX ODBC Connections are NOT Stable or NOT supposed to work. How much documentation do you need? I see not recommended and I interpret that as code language for has a 50% chance of failure. Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ODBC Problems?
samcfug wrote: While you may post what are obvious bugs to a wish list, that is not in reality a bug tracking system. If you have a bug, call Macromedia. Yes, they ask for your creditcard number. No, they won't bill you if it is really a bug (I have *never* been billed and Macromedia support is on the speed dial). If you have a feature request, submit it to the wishform. For important bugs, you should not use any other channel as calling Macromedia. Most importantly, is that for the most part users that are trying to avail themselves of free installation support run up against a stone wall when trying to deal with a non-responsive support system. When you do get a reply from a support request, it will be 1. months late. 2. usually a canned response along the lines of read the documentation. Installation support s*cks. Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ODBC Problems?
I think that the key here is running CFMX as a named user. I couldn't get it to work when it ran as system. I suspect this is because you're using a trusted connection with your SQL Server ODBC connection. If you use a native SQL Server login, you should be able to run CFMX as whatever you want. (Not that you should run it as SYSTEM anyway, though.) Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ODBC Problems?
I am not the ONLY person that has complained about CFMX ODBX Problems, others here have reported the problem as well. Switching to a JDBC driver is not the answer to CFMX ODBC problems. It might be, actually. I would recommend that you try it out, if you have a JDBC driver available. Sure, it might be a pain, but why would you expect ODBC to necessarily work as well from Java through JDBC as it did with no extra middleware layer in CF 5? I got the JDBC driver working. The purpose of this whole post is to find out why the CFMX ODBC Agent/Server is not working/stable? I never saw any MM documentation saying that CFMX ODBC Connections are NOT Stable or NOT supposed to work. Sure, but you might want to apply a bit of common sense. Macromedia isn't going to say ODBC connections don't work, but they do say they won't work as well as pure JDBC connections. Draw your own conclusions. The SequeLink stuff (the ODBC Agent and Server) are a workaround for when you don't have JDBC drivers, aren't they? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ODBC Problems?
Sure, but you might want to apply a bit of common sense. Macromedia isn't going to say ODBC connections don't work, but they do say they won't work as well as pure JDBC connections. There is no COMMON Sense to apply here. Everything worked while we were testing CFMX. Obviously..since we didnt see any problems... took it to production.. and everything starts breaking. There is NO warning in the release notes about an UnStable CFMX ODBC Engine. Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:13 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? I am not the ONLY person that has complained about CFMX ODBX Problems, others here have reported the problem as well. Switching to a JDBC driver is not the answer to CFMX ODBC problems. It might be, actually. I would recommend that you try it out, if you have a JDBC driver available. Sure, it might be a pain, but why would you expect ODBC to necessarily work as well from Java through JDBC as it did with no extra middleware layer in CF 5? I got the JDBC driver working. The purpose of this whole post is to find out why the CFMX ODBC Agent/Server is not working/stable? I never saw any MM documentation saying that CFMX ODBC Connections are NOT Stable or NOT supposed to work. Sure, but you might want to apply a bit of common sense. Macromedia isn't going to say ODBC connections don't work, but they do say they won't work as well as pure JDBC connections. Draw your own conclusions. The SequeLink stuff (the ODBC Agent and Server) are a workaround for when you don't have JDBC drivers, aren't they? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ODBC Problems?
How much documentation do you need? I see not recommended and I interpret that as code language for has a 50% chance of failure. Can you point me to the CFMX Release Notes that says ODBC Connections are not recommended in CFMX? Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 8:16 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? Joe Eugene wrote: I got the JDBC driver working. The purpose of this whole post is to find out why the CFMX ODBC Agent/Server is not working/stable? I never saw any MM documentation saying that CFMX ODBC Connections are NOT Stable or NOT supposed to work. How much documentation do you need? I see not recommended and I interpret that as code language for has a 50% chance of failure. Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ODBC Problems?
If you have a bug, call Macromedia. Yes, they ask for your creditcard number. No, they won't bill you if it is really a bug (I have *never* been billed and Macromedia support is on the speed dial). If you have a feature request, submit it to the wishform. I hope you are not suggesting i call Macromedia Support and ask them.. IF they have CFMX ODBC working stable? My first question to list on this topic was Has anybody got CFMX ODBX working stable? The reason for this question is to find out the root cause of the ODBC Connection Failures. Its interesting to know that nobody is really curious...why certain things dont work. If i tell you CFC is not recommended and has problems... What will be your solution to that? Use Java Beans? Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 8:29 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? samcfug wrote: While you may post what are obvious bugs to a wish list, that is not in reality a bug tracking system. If you have a bug, call Macromedia. Yes, they ask for your creditcard number. No, they won't bill you if it is really a bug (I have *never* been billed and Macromedia support is on the speed dial). If you have a feature request, submit it to the wishform. For important bugs, you should not use any other channel as calling Macromedia. Most importantly, is that for the most part users that are trying to avail themselves of free installation support run up against a stone wall when trying to deal with a non-responsive support system. When you do get a reply from a support request, it will be 1. months late. 2. usually a canned response along the lines of read the documentation. Installation support s*cks. Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ODBC Problems?
Joe Eugene wrote: How much documentation do you need? I see not recommended and I interpret that as code language for has a 50% chance of failure. Can you point me to the CFMX Release Notes that says ODBC Connections are not recommended in CFMX? Not release notes, the normal manuals. quote JDBC-ODBC bridge Translates JDBC calls into ODBC calls, and sends them to the ODBC driver. Advantages Allows access to many different databases. Disadvantages The ODBC driver, and possibly the client database libraries, must reside on the ColdFusion server computer. Performance is also below par. Macromedia does not recommend this driver type unless your application requires specific features of these drivers. /quote http://livedocs.macromedia.com/cfmxdocs/Administering_ColdFusion_MX/datasources_ADV_MJS2.jsp Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ODBC Problems?
Joe Eugene wrote: If you have a bug, call Macromedia. Yes, they ask for your creditcard number. No, they won't bill you if it is really a bug (I have *never* been billed and Macromedia support is on the speed dial). If you have a feature request, submit it to the wishform. I hope you are not suggesting i call Macromedia Support and ask them.. IF they have CFMX ODBC working stable? Just say I can reproducably get this error if I do this and this. Worst case is they say it is filed as bug number X and we will get back to you. (If they can point you to some part of the documentation with a setting you have forgotten which fixes it but charge $$$ for that, wouldn't you be better of then you are now?) The reason for this question is to find out the root cause of the ODBC Connection Failures. Its interesting to know that nobody is really curious...why certain things dont work. I am a little bit curious. But since I have never gotten any Access ODBC driver to work reliably at 50+ queries per second*, I am very happy at the same time with the prospect of having an excuse to ditch ODBC altogether. * Yes, I host crazy people. If i tell you CFC is not recommended and has problems... What will be your solution to that? Use Java Beans? My reaction would be to bitch. My solution would be to only use CFCs after rigorous testing. Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ODBC Problems? (RESOLVED)
My reaction would be to bitch. My solution would be to only use CFCs after rigorous testing LOL.. Interesting...quite different approaches!. Anyways.. to end the topic... I already submitted the problem.. right after Sean/Mike gave me the Bug forum/Wish List site link. The only 2 confirmations i needed from this whole post was... 1. Nobody on this list has CFMX ODBC working stable. 2. This is not an already acknowledged issue by MM. Wonder how it got this far... Topic closed for me. Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:26 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? Joe Eugene wrote: If you have a bug, call Macromedia. Yes, they ask for your creditcard number. No, they won't bill you if it is really a bug (I have *never* been billed and Macromedia support is on the speed dial). If you have a feature request, submit it to the wishform. I hope you are not suggesting i call Macromedia Support and ask them.. IF they have CFMX ODBC working stable? Just say I can reproducably get this error if I do this and this. Worst case is they say it is filed as bug number X and we will get back to you. (If they can point you to some part of the documentation with a setting you have forgotten which fixes it but charge $$$ for that, wouldn't you be better of then you are now?) The reason for this question is to find out the root cause of the ODBC Connection Failures. Its interesting to know that nobody is really curious...why certain things dont work. I am a little bit curious. But since I have never gotten any Access ODBC driver to work reliably at 50+ queries per second*, I am very happy at the same time with the prospect of having an excuse to ditch ODBC altogether. * Yes, I host crazy people. If i tell you CFC is not recommended and has problems... What will be your solution to that? Use Java Beans? My reaction would be to bitch. My solution would be to only use CFCs after rigorous testing. Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ODBC Problems?
Not release notes, the normal manuals. How many of us have read the entire CFMX Manual? Should have in the Release notes in BOLD like. We do not Expect ODBC Connections to work properly in CFMX, We recommend you use JDBC drivers Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? Joe Eugene wrote: How much documentation do you need? I see not recommended and I interpret that as code language for has a 50% chance of failure. Can you point me to the CFMX Release Notes that says ODBC Connections are not recommended in CFMX? Not release notes, the normal manuals. quote JDBC-ODBC bridge Translates JDBC calls into ODBC calls, and sends them to the ODBC driver. Advantages Allows access to many different databases. Disadvantages The ODBC driver, and possibly the client database libraries, must reside on the ColdFusion server computer. Performance is also below par. Macromedia does not recommend this driver type unless your application requires specific features of these drivers. /quote http://livedocs.macromedia.com/cfmxdocs/Administering_ColdFusion_M X/datasources_ADV_MJS2.jsp Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ODBC Problems?
I'd have to second that descipription. -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 9:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? h, that's a wonder...huh. well, we use adv sql server 2000, cfmx, and iis on 1 live server and 1 dev server, both have sp 2, and both are ROCKIN one has a bunch of domains running on itthe other, just 1, and truthfully, we havent ran into any issues at all, I suppose we got that one gold wonka bar of a cfmx install that is just hummin along :) ...tony Tony Weeg Senior Web Developer UnCertified Advanced ColdFusion Developer Information System Design Navtrak, Inc. Mobile workforce monitoring, mapping reporting www.navtrak.net 410.548.2337 -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 10:35 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? Yup. Personally I haven't been able to get it to work on Win2k on two dev servers. One is running a dev edition of CFMX. The other is running a full copy of Pro. Forgot about a 3rd: My laptop also has a full copy of Pro on it and I had identical problems. Seemed like ODBC just didn't want to stay connected. The JDBC worked fine so I didn't worry too much further about it, but if I were trying to run Oracle 8i on CFMX Pro (I was) in a production environment (fortunately I was not, so I ran my tests on an MX dev edition) then I'd really have my work cut out for me trying to find another set of drivers. --- Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com --- -- Original Message -- From: Tony Weeg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 22:24:09 -0500 odbc socket, I use it on winXp, IIS, cfmx on my dev laptop, is this the config you are talking about ...tony Tony Weeg Senior Web Developer UnCertified Advanced ColdFusion Developer Information System Design Navtrak, Inc. Mobile workforce monitoring, mapping reporting www.navtrak.net 410.548.2337 -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 10:23 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? To get back onto the original topic: Has anyone found the ODBC socket connection to work? Using what db/version? We've heard from people who didn't, both in this thread and previously. Who can share with us an experience of a stable connection? Maybe if we approach this from a different end we'll hear some good news. --- Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com --- ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ODBC Problems? (RESOLVED)
The only 2 confirmations i needed from this whole post was... 1. Nobody on this list has CFMX ODBC working stable. Well, that's simply not true. I do know of one installation that's using SQL Server 2000 via ODBC with CFMX, because they require trusted connections. It's slow, but it's no less stable than it was with CF 5, from what I've been told. Now, that information is probably pretty useless to you anyway, since they may have less traffic than you, and they're using different ODBC drivers than you. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ODBC Problems?
I have Jochem leading joe 2 - nill -Original Message- From: Dave Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 7:20 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? LOL! - Original Message - From: Jochem van Dieten [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 8:15 AM Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? Joe Eugene wrote: I got the JDBC driver working. The purpose of this whole post is to find out why the CFMX ODBC Agent/Server is not working/stable? I never saw any MM documentation saying that CFMX ODBC Connections are NOT Stable or NOT supposed to work. How much documentation do you need? I see not recommended and I interpret that as code language for has a 50% chance of failure. Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ODBC Problems?
I hope you are not suggesting i call Macromedia Support and ask them.. IF they have CFMX ODBC working stable? No, I'd recommend that you be a bit more specific than that. After all, they may have it working stable with a completely different database and/or driver set, which won't help you in the least bit. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ODBC Problems?
i cant recall seeing Jochem loose or be wrong. the only wrong doing he did was not respond to my offer of hooking him up with a victoria secrets model. lol - Original Message - From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:15 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? I have Jochem leading joe 2 - nill -Original Message- From: Dave Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 7:20 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? LOL! - Original Message - From: Jochem van Dieten [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 8:15 AM Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? Joe Eugene wrote: I got the JDBC driver working. The purpose of this whole post is to find out why the CFMX ODBC Agent/Server is not working/stable? I never saw any MM documentation saying that CFMX ODBC Connections are NOT Stable or NOT supposed to work. How much documentation do you need? I see not recommended and I interpret that as code language for has a 50% chance of failure. Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ODBC Problems?
Mark A. Kruger - CFG wrote: I have Jochem leading joe 2 - nill My counter says: Joe Jochem: 0 - Joe's problem: 1 Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ODBC Problems?
Dave Lyons wrote: i cant recall seeing Jochem loose or be wrong. the only wrong doing he did was not respond to my offer of hooking him up with a victoria secrets model. lol You offered to hook me up with a Victoria Secrets model? I must have missed that. Please contact me offlist at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if that offer is still valid :-) Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ODBC Problems?
Once again no answer to my question regarding the stability of CFMX in a shared hosting environment!! A lack of an answer leads me to beleive that it is in fact unstable and MM does not wish to comment on it. Yes I now this is not a MM list and I should not expect an official answer here. If the MM folks on this list feel this is the case, at least acknowledge me and tell me who to talk to at MM for an answer. Prove me wrong please ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 4:36 PM Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? Mike, I would like to hear the official line from Macromedia regarding the stability of CFMX in production environments...especially regarding shared hosting. As I've posted before on this list (and I think you took the info from me to follow up on it and never got back to me), a local ISP that upgraded to CFMX had major issues and were eventually told by Macromedia tech support that CFMX was not stable enough for shared hosting. So is this Macromedia's position or not? I'm not looking to point fingers and start some kind of MM flame war or anything. I simply want to be able to tell my clients the truth...no matter what it is. I personally love CFMX and especially love Flash remoting. No matter what your answer is I will still use theses products (although I may not advise clients to use CFMX if there are still issues). If there are issues, I will simply wait until they are resolved before advising clients to use CFMX. Of course if I get lied to and then incorrectly advise a client to use CFMX I'll be one pissed CF developer ;-) BTW the use proper channels line is getting old. I don't think paying customers should have to pay even more just to make MM's bug tracking system work. Change the system so someone such as yourself can report a bug that you see on lists. The bottom line should be making the product the best it can be and NOT following proper channels. Thanks for reading Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Mike Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 3:49 PM Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? This is the reason we have those proper channels, such as tech support and the wish list. If you post an issue here, we may not see it, and if we do, we may not get the info needed, or have it logged correctly in the bug base. The people who monitor the wish list and tech support know what info to ask for, and can log it properly in the bug base. So, if you don't want to use those channels, that is fine. But you should not expect to get one on one support from macromedia without going through those channels. mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 6:39 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? If the issue is a CFMX issue, then you do not have to pay anything. What else do u think it is?... I am not wasting my time on this anymore.. if you want... GO FIX YOUR PRODUCT (CFMX). Its quite obvious from other posts here, CFMX is not production stable(continuous problems). When a problem gets reported, MM Folks should atleast show the courtesy to acknowledge the problem and try to fix it...NOT ask developers to go though the proper channel. I am not the ONLY person that has complained about CFMX ODBX Problems, others here have reported the problem as well. Switching to a JDBC driver is not the answer to CFMX ODBC problems. Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 5:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? If the issue is a CFMX issue, then you do not have to pay anything. mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 4:38 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems
Re: ODBC Problems?
we need to get your mind off of sql into some sm! lol is that email valid? - Original Message - From: Jochem van Dieten [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:45 PM Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? Dave Lyons wrote: i cant recall seeing Jochem loose or be wrong. the only wrong doing he did was not respond to my offer of hooking him up with a victoria secrets model. lol You offered to hook me up with a Victoria Secrets model? I must have missed that. Please contact me offlist at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if that offer is still valid :-) Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ODBC Problems?
Bryan Stevenson wrote: Once again no answer to my question regarding the stability of CFMX in a shared hosting environment!! I, and others with me, have repeatedly answered that it is stable for what we do. Yes I now this is not a MM list and I should not expect an official answer here. They why do you ask for an *official* answer? If the MM folks on this list feel this is the case, at least acknowledge me and tell me who to talk to at MM for an answer. I thought your ISP had spoken to somebody at Macronmedia about this. Can't they give you the name of that person so you can talk to that very same person? Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ODBC Problems?
Sure, but you might want to apply a bit of common sense. Macromedia isn't going to say ODBC connections don't work, but they do say they won't work as well as pure JDBC connections. There is no COMMON Sense to apply here. There is always a place to apply common sense. To my mind, common sense tells me that ODBC may not work as well from a Java application through another layer of middleware as from a non-Java application without another layer of middleware. Everything worked while we were testing CFMX. Obviously..since we didnt see any problems... took it to production.. and everything starts breaking. I take it that your load testing went ok? How does your current usage differ from your load test? There is NO warning in the release notes about an UnStable CFMX ODBC Engine. I guess, by your logic, if there's any problem that anyone encounters with CFMX, the release notes should say WARNING: THIS PRODUCT MAY NOT WORK IN YOUR ENVIRONMENT! Gee, I'm really surprised that the release notes don't say that. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: RE: ODBC Problems? (RESOLVED)
Well, that's simply not true In the 2 days of this Topic.. have yet to see ONE CONFIRMATION that CFMX ODBC works with ANY DB(Oracle,Sql-Server, DB2, Informix..etc) in a production environment with a good load of 50-100 consistent users. If someone has this working.. then the root cause of the problem might be something else. Joe ---Original Message--- From: Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03/05/03 12:13 PM To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? (RESOLVED) The only 2 confirmations i needed from this whole post was... 1. Nobody on this list has CFMX ODBC working stable. Well, that's simply not true. I do know of one installation that's using SQL Server 2000 via ODBC with CFMX, because they require trusted connections. It's slow, but it's no less stable than it was with CF 5, from what I've been told. Now, that information is probably pretty useless to you anyway, since they may have less traffic than you, and they're using different ODBC drivers than you. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software a target=_blank href=http://www.figleaf.com/;http://www.figleaf.com//a voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: RE: ODBC Problems?
may have it working stable with a completely different database and/or driver set, which won't help you in the least bit. No One has yet confirmed a working stable CFMX ODBC Connection... with any database. On the other hand we have had several people report problems with CFMX ODBC...here So what is the logical conclusion? Joe ---Original Message--- From: Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03/05/03 12:15 PM To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? I hope you are not suggesting i call Macromedia Support and ask them.. IF they have CFMX ODBC working stable? No, I'd recommend that you be a bit more specific than that. After all, they may have it working stable with a completely different database and/or driver set, which won't help you in the least bit. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software a target=_blank href=http://www.figleaf.com/;http://www.figleaf.com//a voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ODBC Problems?
There is NO warning in the release notes about an UnStable CFMX ODBC Engine. I guess, by your logic, if there's any problem that anyone encounters with CFMX, the release notes should say WARNING: THIS PRODUCT MAY NOT WORK IN YOUR ENVIRONMENT! Gee, I'm really surprised that the release notes don't say that. I'm imagining a Windows ME retail box with a large red sticker on it that reads: WARNING: CRAP! - Jim -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? Sure, but you might want to apply a bit of common sense. Macromedia isn't going to say ODBC connections don't work, but they do say they won't work as well as pure JDBC connections. There is no COMMON Sense to apply here. There is always a place to apply common sense. To my mind, common sense tells me that ODBC may not work as well from a Java application through another layer of middleware as from a non-Java application without another layer of middleware. Everything worked while we were testing CFMX. Obviously..since we didnt see any problems... took it to production.. and everything starts breaking. I take it that your load testing went ok? How does your current usage differ from your load test? There is NO warning in the release notes about an UnStable CFMX ODBC Engine. I guess, by your logic, if there's any problem that anyone encounters with CFMX, the release notes should say WARNING: THIS PRODUCT MAY NOT WORK IN YOUR ENVIRONMENT! Gee, I'm really surprised that the release notes don't say that. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ODBC Problems?
below - Original Message - From: Jochem van Dieten [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:10 AM Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? Bryan Stevenson wrote: Once again no answer to my question regarding the stability of CFMX in a shared hosting environment!! I, and others with me, have repeatedly answered that it is stable for what we do. What is it that you dois it in a shared environment? I'm glad it works for you...so far it works for me as wellI just want to advise clients as per MM's official line. Yes I now this is not a MM list and I should not expect an official answer here. They why do you ask for an *official* answer? Like I said...if someone can tell me who to talk to at MM I'd be more than happy to follow-up with them If the MM folks on this list feel this is the case, at least acknowledge me and tell me who to talk to at MM for an answer. I thought your ISP had spoken to somebody at Macronmedia about this. Can't they give you the name of that person so you can talk to that very same person? Not my ISP...just a local one. No they can't give me the name...they're embarrassed enough about upgrading a live server ;-) Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Re: ODBC Problems?
Once again no answer to my question regarding the stability of CFMX in a shared hosting environment!! Obviously.. No Comments... To my knowledge CFMX in production is Unstable.. Especially if you try to to use all the new features. This no surprise.. CFMX is a complete re-write in Java... MM has done a real good job.. but released too soon. I would probably run CFMX in development.. but wait atleast another 6 months to run a CFMX under full load in production. Joe ---Original Message--- From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03/05/03 12:52 PM To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? Once again no answer to my question regarding the stability of CFMX in a shared hosting environment!! A lack of an answer leads me to beleive that it is in fact unstable and MM does not wish to comment on it. Yes I now this is not a MM list and I should not expect an official answer here. If the MM folks on this list feel this is the case, at least acknowledge me and tell me who to talk to at MM for an answer. Prove me wrong please ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner a target=_blank href=http://www.macromedia.com;www.macromedia.com/a - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director a target=_blank href=http://www.cfug-vancouverisland.com;www.cfug-vancouverisland.com/a - Original Message - From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 4:36 PM Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? Mike, I would like to hear the official line from Macromedia regarding the stability of CFMX in production environments...especially regarding shared hosting. As I've posted before on this list (and I think you took the info from me to follow up on it and never got back to me), a local ISP that upgraded to CFMX had major issues and were eventually told by Macromedia tech support that CFMX was not stable enough for shared hosting. So is this Macromedia's position or not? I'm not looking to point fingers and start some kind of MM flame war or anything. I simply want to be able to tell my clients the truth...no matter what it is. I personally love CFMX and especially love Flash remoting. No matter what your answer is I will still use theses products (although I may not advise clients to use CFMX if there are still issues). If there are issues, I will simply wait until they are resolved before advising clients to use CFMX. Of course if I get lied to and then incorrectly advise a client to use CFMX I'll be one pissed CF developer ;-) BTW the use proper channels line is getting old. I don't think paying customers should have to pay even more just to make MM's bug tracking system work. Change the system so someone such as yourself can report a bug that you see on lists. The bottom line should be making the product the best it can be and NOT following proper channels. Thanks for reading Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner a target=_blank href=http://www.macromedia.com;www.macromedia.com/a - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director a target=_blank href=http://www.cfug-vancouverisland.com;www.cfug-vancouverisland.com/a - Original Message - From: Mike Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 3:49 PM Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? This is the reason we have those proper channels, such as tech support and the wish list. If you post an issue here, we may not see it, and if we do, we may not get the info needed, or have it logged correctly in the bug base. The people who monitor the wish list and tech support know what info to ask for, and can log it properly in the bug base. So, if you don't want to use those channels, that is fine. But you should not expect to get one on one support from macromedia without going through those channels. mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 6:39 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? If the issue is a CFMX issue, then you do not have to pay anything. What else do u think it is?... I am not wasting my time on this anymore.. if you want... GO FIX YOUR PRODUCT (CFMX). Its quite obvious from other posts here, CFMX is not production stable(continuous problems). When a problem gets reported, MM Folks should
Re: RE: ODBC Problems? FIN
So what is the logical conclusion? The logical conclusion is that CFMX sucks, so please stop using it. (I, meanwhile, will continue to use it because the good far outweighs the bad.) And more importantly, please kill this thread, obviously there are some issues with ODBC connections and no one here has a solution for you at this time- Tyler - Original Message - From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:21 AM Subject: Re: RE: ODBC Problems? may have it working stable with a completely different database and/or driver set, which won't help you in the least bit. No One has yet confirmed a working stable CFMX ODBC Connection... with any database. On the other hand we have had several people report problems with CFMX ODBC...here So what is the logical conclusion? Joe ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: RE: ODBC Problems? (RESOLVED)
You missed two. Go to the archives and review the thread. This is turning into a p*ssing match. Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 7:14 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: RE: ODBC Problems? (RESOLVED) Well, that's simply not true In the 2 days of this Topic.. have yet to see ONE CONFIRMATION that CFMX ODBC works with ANY DB(Oracle,Sql-Server, DB2, Informix..etc) in a production environment with a good load of 50-100 consistent users. If someone has this working.. then the root cause of the problem might be something else. Joe ---Original Message--- From: Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03/05/03 12:13 PM To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? (RESOLVED) The only 2 confirmations i needed from this whole post was... 1. Nobody on this list has CFMX ODBC working stable. Well, that's simply not true. I do know of one installation that's using SQL Server 2000 via ODBC with CFMX, because they require trusted connections. It's slow, but it's no less stable than it was with CF 5, from what I've been told. Now, that information is probably pretty useless to you anyway, since they may have less traffic than you, and they're using different ODBC drivers than you. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software a target=_blank href=http://www.figleaf.com/;http://www.figleaf.com//a voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ODBC Problems?
chuckle -Original Message- From: Jim Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:44 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? There is NO warning in the release notes about an UnStable CFMX ODBC Engine. I guess, by your logic, if there's any problem that anyone encounters with CFMX, the release notes should say WARNING: THIS PRODUCT MAY NOT WORK IN YOUR ENVIRONMENT! Gee, I'm really surprised that the release notes don't say that. I'm imagining a Windows ME retail box with a large red sticker on it that reads: WARNING: CRAP! - Jim -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? Sure, but you might want to apply a bit of common sense. Macromedia isn't going to say ODBC connections don't work, but they do say they won't work as well as pure JDBC connections. There is no COMMON Sense to apply here. There is always a place to apply common sense. To my mind, common sense tells me that ODBC may not work as well from a Java application through another layer of middleware as from a non-Java application without another layer of middleware. Everything worked while we were testing CFMX. Obviously..since we didnt see any problems... took it to production.. and everything starts breaking. I take it that your load testing went ok? How does your current usage differ from your load test? There is NO warning in the release notes about an UnStable CFMX ODBC Engine. I guess, by your logic, if there's any problem that anyone encounters with CFMX, the release notes should say WARNING: THIS PRODUCT MAY NOT WORK IN YOUR ENVIRONMENT! Gee, I'm really surprised that the release notes don't say that. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ODBC Problems?
Like I said...if someone can tell me who to talk to at MM I'd be more than happy to follow-up with them my god! how many times a day is that answer posted on this list? or how about just email christian and ask him? dave - Original Message - From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 1:54 PM Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? below - Original Message - From: Jochem van Dieten [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:10 AM Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? Bryan Stevenson wrote: Once again no answer to my question regarding the stability of CFMX in a shared hosting environment!! I, and others with me, have repeatedly answered that it is stable for what we do. What is it that you dois it in a shared environment? I'm glad it works for you...so far it works for me as wellI just want to advise clients as per MM's official line. Yes I now this is not a MM list and I should not expect an official answer here. They why do you ask for an *official* answer? Like I said...if someone can tell me who to talk to at MM I'd be more than happy to follow-up with them If the MM folks on this list feel this is the case, at least acknowledge me and tell me who to talk to at MM for an answer. I thought your ISP had spoken to somebody at Macronmedia about this. Can't they give you the name of that person so you can talk to that very same person? Not my ISP...just a local one. No they can't give me the name...they're embarrassed enough about upgrading a live server ;-) Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ODBC Problems?
- Original Message - From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Once again no answer to my question regarding the stability of CFMX in a | shared hosting environment!! | | A lack of an answer leads me to beleive that it is in fact unstable and MM | does not wish to comment on it. Yes I now this is not a MM list and I | should not expect an official answer here. If the MM folks on this list | feel this is the case, at least acknowledge me and tell me who to talk to at | MM for an answer. | | Prove me wrong please ;-) | Lets face it, they do not know how to do shared hosting environments! Plain and simple. With all the off the wall work-arounds I have seen posted by MM people proves this to be a fact. But they can dedicate dozens of engineers to develop one web site, but will not and cannot address issues as important as the ones you raise. It is a sad state of affairs, and the bean counters will eventually notice by the lack of sales, and perhaps start a movement to address them. I for one, am not going to be giving any credit card numbers to support staff for configuration issues that are omitted from the installer application and darned sure omitted from the documentation! There are just too many alternatives to get the job done with much less hassle and unproductive time expenditure.. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ODBC Problems?
But is CRAP! a noun or a verb in this case? ;^) Jim Davis -Original Message- From: Miller, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 2:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? chuckle -Original Message- From: Jim Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:44 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? There is NO warning in the release notes about an UnStable CFMX ODBC Engine. I guess, by your logic, if there's any problem that anyone encounters with CFMX, the release notes should say WARNING: THIS PRODUCT MAY NOT WORK IN YOUR ENVIRONMENT! Gee, I'm really surprised that the release notes don't say that. I'm imagining a Windows ME retail box with a large red sticker on it that reads: WARNING: CRAP! - Jim -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? Sure, but you might want to apply a bit of common sense. Macromedia isn't going to say ODBC connections don't work, but they do say they won't work as well as pure JDBC connections. There is no COMMON Sense to apply here. There is always a place to apply common sense. To my mind, common sense tells me that ODBC may not work as well from a Java application through another layer of middleware as from a non-Java application without another layer of middleware. Everything worked while we were testing CFMX. Obviously..since we didnt see any problems... took it to production.. and everything starts breaking. I take it that your load testing went ok? How does your current usage differ from your load test? There is NO warning in the release notes about an UnStable CFMX ODBC Engine. I guess, by your logic, if there's any problem that anyone encounters with CFMX, the release notes should say WARNING: THIS PRODUCT MAY NOT WORK IN YOUR ENVIRONMENT! Gee, I'm really surprised that the release notes don't say that. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: RE: ODBC Problems?
may have it working stable with a completely different database and/or driver set, which won't help you in the least bit. No One has yet confirmed a working stable CFMX ODBC Connection... with any database. Uh, that's not true. I confirmed a working stable CFMX ODBC connection to SQL Server 2000; it's not mine, but a friend's site (U.S. gov't, internal, relatively high-load, using trusted connections because it's required by the security specification). I posted that earlier this afternoon. On the other hand we have had several people report problems with CFMX ODBC...here. So what is the logical conclusion? That it doesn't work as well as a pure JDBC connection? What a surprise. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ODBC Problems?
Bryan Stevenson wrote: From: Jochem van Dieten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bryan Stevenson wrote: Once again no answer to my question regarding the stability of CFMX in a shared hosting environment!! I, and others with me, have repeatedly answered that it is stable for what we do. What is it that you dois it in a shared environment? I run several testsites in different shared hosting configurations where I demo i18n stuff. Since they include the ability to upload files for others, I have them run in a sandbox. General load is below the noise level, but I have ran stresstests on the server for a weekend and didn't encounter any problems. I have not encountered any stability issues with Sandbox Security. I have reported my share of bugs with CF MX in general, but none that had anything to do with Sandbox Security. I only found a bug with Sandbox Security once, but that was a security issue, not a stability issue and Macromedia has released a patch [1] for that. That is not to say there are no issues: - the fact that limiting the number of connections to a datasource does not work (bug 49409) is more likely to have adverse consequences in a shared hosting scenario as on a dedicated server. - I have not yet seen a shared hosting control panel supporting CF MX. - the inability to flush compiled templates from cache is a pain (you can remove them from disk by examining them for a string containing the original file location, but not from RAM) But none of these are stability issues. If I were to configure CF MX Enterprise Edition I would not hesitate to switch on Sandbox Security even if I don't need it, just for the ability to limit file upload to directories where file execution is not enabled and more of that stuff. Jochem [1]http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/security/security_zone/mpsb03-01.html ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ODBC Problems?
neither... it's an explitive... as in oh CRAP! -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 1:37 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? But is CRAP! a noun or a verb in this case? ;^) Jim Davis -Original Message- From: Miller, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 2:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? chuckle -Original Message- From: Jim Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:44 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? There is NO warning in the release notes about an UnStable CFMX ODBC Engine. I guess, by your logic, if there's any problem that anyone encounters with CFMX, the release notes should say WARNING: THIS PRODUCT MAY NOT WORK IN YOUR ENVIRONMENT! Gee, I'm really surprised that the release notes don't say that. I'm imagining a Windows ME retail box with a large red sticker on it that reads: WARNING: CRAP! - Jim -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? Sure, but you might want to apply a bit of common sense. Macromedia isn't going to say ODBC connections don't work, but they do say they won't work as well as pure JDBC connections. There is no COMMON Sense to apply here. There is always a place to apply common sense. To my mind, common sense tells me that ODBC may not work as well from a Java application through another layer of middleware as from a non-Java application without another layer of middleware. Everything worked while we were testing CFMX. Obviously..since we didnt see any problems... took it to production.. and everything starts breaking. I take it that your load testing went ok? How does your current usage differ from your load test? There is NO warning in the release notes about an UnStable CFMX ODBC Engine. I guess, by your logic, if there's any problem that anyone encounters with CFMX, the release notes should say WARNING: THIS PRODUCT MAY NOT WORK IN YOUR ENVIRONMENT! Gee, I'm really surprised that the release notes don't say that. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ODBC Problems?
Dave - really? ...and how did that go? Let me guess - she was replaced at the last minute by a fraline named helga in a viking hat g. My comment was intended to indicate that I thought Jochem was on to something with his 50%.. comment. That's all : ) -Original Message- From: Dave Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:33 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? i cant recall seeing Jochem loose or be wrong. the only wrong doing he did was not respond to my offer of hooking him up with a victoria secrets model. lol - Original Message - From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:15 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? I have Jochem leading joe 2 - nill -Original Message- From: Dave Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 7:20 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? LOL! - Original Message - From: Jochem van Dieten [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 8:15 AM Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? Joe Eugene wrote: I got the JDBC driver working. The purpose of this whole post is to find out why the CFMX ODBC Agent/Server is not working/stable? I never saw any MM documentation saying that CFMX ODBC Connections are NOT Stable or NOT supposed to work. How much documentation do you need? I see not recommended and I interpret that as code language for has a 50% chance of failure. Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ODBC Problems?
i know:) - Original Message - From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 4:29 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? Dave - really? ...and how did that go? Let me guess - she was replaced at the last minute by a fraline named helga in a viking hat g. My comment was intended to indicate that I thought Jochem was on to something with his 50%.. comment. That's all : ) -Original Message- From: Dave Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:33 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? i cant recall seeing Jochem loose or be wrong. the only wrong doing he did was not respond to my offer of hooking him up with a victoria secrets model. lol - Original Message - From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:15 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? I have Jochem leading joe 2 - nill -Original Message- From: Dave Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 7:20 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? LOL! - Original Message - From: Jochem van Dieten [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 8:15 AM Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? Joe Eugene wrote: I got the JDBC driver working. The purpose of this whole post is to find out why the CFMX ODBC Agent/Server is not working/stable? I never saw any MM documentation saying that CFMX ODBC Connections are NOT Stable or NOT supposed to work. How much documentation do you need? I see not recommended and I interpret that as code language for has a 50% chance of failure. Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ODBC Problems?
On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 12:52 PM, Bryan Stevenson wrote: Once again no answer to my question regarding the stability of CFMX in a shared hosting environment!! A lack of an answer leads me to beleive that it is in fact unstable and MM does not wish to comment on it. Yes I now this is not a MM list and I should not expect an official answer here. If the MM folks on this list feel this is the case, at least acknowledge me and tell me who to talk to at MM for an answer. Nobody from Macromedia ever told anyone from a hosting company that CFMX was not stable enough to run in a shared hosting environment (which, if I remember correctly, was your original question). We have worked with a few hosting providers to resolve stability issues in the past, and those fixes were included in updaters one and two, and there may be additional fixes in updater three. Does that answer you question? Christian ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: RE: ODBC Problems?
Uh, that's not true. I confirmed a working stable CFMX ODBC connection to SQL Server 2000; it's not mine, but a friend's site (U.S. gov't, internal, relatively high-load, using trusted connections because it's required by the security specification). I posted that earlier this afternoon. Dave, Are you suggesting that if we move our SQL-Server ODBC Connections to trusted ODBC connections...that will resolve the problems? I hope this is true... My suspicions are the Connection Pooling and Re-Use in CFMX ODBC is not working right... reason being...we get connection drops only during peak hours of activity. Bouncing CFMX ODBC services resolves the issue temporarily. Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 3:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: RE: ODBC Problems? may have it working stable with a completely different database and/or driver set, which won't help you in the least bit. No One has yet confirmed a working stable CFMX ODBC Connection... with any database. Uh, that's not true. I confirmed a working stable CFMX ODBC connection to SQL Server 2000; it's not mine, but a friend's site (U.S. gov't, internal, relatively high-load, using trusted connections because it's required by the security specification). I posted that earlier this afternoon. On the other hand we have had several people report problems with CFMX ODBC...here. So what is the logical conclusion? That it doesn't work as well as a pure JDBC connection? What a surprise. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ODBC Problems?
Botts, Tom wrote: I'm getting errors with my MX box trying to connect to an AS/400. After about an hour the MX server hangs. Stopping and starting the ODBC services generally clears it up. Just wondering if anyone has any ideas or if anyone is experiencing similar problems ? Here is one of the error messages I am receiving. :[MERANT][SequeLink JDBC Driver][ODBC Socket][IBM][Client Access Express ODBC Driver (32-bit)][DB2/400 SQL]Communication link failure. Why are you running ODBC when IBM has JDBC drivers for DB2? You might want to read the first few lines of http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.3/docs/guide/jdbc/getstart/bridge.doc.html Now maybe CF MX comes with a different bridge implementation that may be better, but the fundamental issues (extra layer, extra chance of corruption etc.) still apply. Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ODBC Problems?
Why are you running ODBC when IBM has JDBC drivers for DB2? Jochem, We know JDBC Drivers exist and WORK, this conversation popped up a while ago. We are trying to RESOLVE ANY ISSUEs with the CFMX ODBC Server/Engine IF something like CFHttp doens't work in CFMX, the answer to that is NOT.. Hey go download CFX_HTTPVer2 (written by...).. is it? Others here have also noted the same problem, Can Anybody from Macromedia Comment on this ODBC issue? OR can Macromeida tell us... WE HAVE A BUG in ODBC Engine, Go use JDBC! Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 4:12 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? Botts, Tom wrote: I'm getting errors with my MX box trying to connect to an AS/400. After about an hour the MX server hangs. Stopping and starting the ODBC services generally clears it up. Just wondering if anyone has any ideas or if anyone is experiencing similar problems ? Here is one of the error messages I am receiving. :[MERANT][SequeLink JDBC Driver][ODBC Socket][IBM][Client Access Express ODBC Driver (32-bit)][DB2/400 SQL]Communication link failure. Why are you running ODBC when IBM has JDBC drivers for DB2? You might want to read the first few lines of http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.3/docs/guide/jdbc/getstart/bridge.doc.html Now maybe CF MX comes with a different bridge implementation that may be better, but the fundamental issues (extra layer, extra chance of corruption etc.) still apply. Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ODBC Problems?
Joe Eugene wrote: IF something like CFHttp doens't work in CFMX, the answer to that is NOT.. Hey go download CFX_HTTPVer2 (written by...).. is it? It shouldn't be, but that would depend on issues like deadlines, delayed delivery fines etc. There might be valid reasons not to use a pure Java driver, but it might also be a leftover from a previous CF. And considering that even Macromedia does not recommend using ODBC-JDBC bridges, I am just asking why ODBC is used. Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ODBC Problems?
Macromedia does not recommend using ODBC-JDBC bridges, I am just asking why ODBC is used. Well, we never upgraded Production to CF5.0, we ran CF4.5 ENT in Production with Client Access Express for 2 Years. NO Problems whatsoever. We upgraded to CFMX from CF4.5 (kept all configurations) and we started seeing Client Access ODBC Problems, for every connection drop.. our debugging mode..picks up and emails admins...So we know whats goin on. Others here have noted the same problems. If CFMX ODBC is NOT supposed to work, it shouldnt be there in the first place. but it might also be a leftover from a previous CF CFMX ODBC Agent and CFXM ODBX Server are services introduced in CFMX. These services didnt exist in CF5.0 or CF4.5 I really hope someone from Macromedia can explain 1. Why ODBC Connections are dropping in CFMX? 2. Is this a Known/acknowledged Issue? 3. Is Macromedia working on this ODBC issue in CFMX? Thanks Joe Eugene Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 10:48 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? Joe Eugene wrote: IF something like CFHttp doens't work in CFMX, the answer to that is NOT.. Hey go download CFX_HTTPVer2 (written by...).. is it? It shouldn't be, but that would depend on issues like deadlines, delayed delivery fines etc. There might be valid reasons not to use a pure Java driver, but it might also be a leftover from a previous CF. And considering that even Macromedia does not recommend using ODBC-JDBC bridges, I am just asking why ODBC is used. Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ODBC Problems?
Joe, Have you contacted tech support? That is really the best channel to deal with these types of issues. mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 2:35 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? Macromedia does not recommend using ODBC-JDBC bridges, I am just asking why ODBC is used. Well, we never upgraded Production to CF5.0, we ran CF4.5 ENT in Production with Client Access Express for 2 Years. NO Problems whatsoever. We upgraded to CFMX from CF4.5 (kept all configurations) and we started seeing Client Access ODBC Problems, for every connection drop.. our debugging mode..picks up and emails admins...So we know whats goin on. Others here have noted the same problems. If CFMX ODBC is NOT supposed to work, it shouldnt be there in the first place. but it might also be a leftover from a previous CF CFMX ODBC Agent and CFXM ODBX Server are services introduced in CFMX. These services didnt exist in CF5.0 or CF4.5 I really hope someone from Macromedia can explain 1. Why ODBC Connections are dropping in CFMX? 2. Is this a Known/acknowledged Issue? 3. Is Macromedia working on this ODBC issue in CFMX? Thanks Joe Eugene Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 10:48 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? Joe Eugene wrote: IF something like CFHttp doens't work in CFMX, the answer to that is NOT.. Hey go download CFX_HTTPVer2 (written by...).. is it? It shouldn't be, but that would depend on issues like deadlines, delayed delivery fines etc. There might be valid reasons not to use a pure Java driver, but it might also be a leftover from a previous CF. And considering that even Macromedia does not recommend using ODBC-JDBC bridges, I am just asking why ODBC is used. Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ODBC Problems?
Mike, We dont have any support licences and as far as i know to contact Tech Support we have to pay for the support. This is really a Macromedia Product (CFMX) Problem and we are not willing to pay to resolve MM Product Problems. Please let me know, if you can help. Thanks Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 4:11 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? Joe, Have you contacted tech support? That is really the best channel to deal with these types of issues. mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 2:35 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? Macromedia does not recommend using ODBC-JDBC bridges, I am just asking why ODBC is used. Well, we never upgraded Production to CF5.0, we ran CF4.5 ENT in Production with Client Access Express for 2 Years. NO Problems whatsoever. We upgraded to CFMX from CF4.5 (kept all configurations) and we started seeing Client Access ODBC Problems, for every connection drop.. our debugging mode..picks up and emails admins...So we know whats goin on. Others here have noted the same problems. If CFMX ODBC is NOT supposed to work, it shouldnt be there in the first place. but it might also be a leftover from a previous CF CFMX ODBC Agent and CFXM ODBX Server are services introduced in CFMX. These services didnt exist in CF5.0 or CF4.5 I really hope someone from Macromedia can explain 1. Why ODBC Connections are dropping in CFMX? 2. Is this a Known/acknowledged Issue? 3. Is Macromedia working on this ODBC issue in CFMX? Thanks Joe Eugene Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 10:48 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? Joe Eugene wrote: IF something like CFHttp doens't work in CFMX, the answer to that is NOT.. Hey go download CFX_HTTPVer2 (written by...).. is it? It shouldn't be, but that would depend on issues like deadlines, delayed delivery fines etc. There might be valid reasons not to use a pure Java driver, but it might also be a leftover from a previous CF. And considering that even Macromedia does not recommend using ODBC-JDBC bridges, I am just asking why ODBC is used. Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ODBC Problems?
If the issue is a CFMX issue, then you do not have to pay anything. mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 4:38 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? Mike, We dont have any support licences and as far as i know to contact Tech Support we have to pay for the support. This is really a Macromedia Product (CFMX) Problem and we are not willing to pay to resolve MM Product Problems. Please let me know, if you can help. Thanks Joe Eugene ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ODBC Problems?
If the issue is a CFMX issue, then you do not have to pay anything. What else do u think it is?... I am not wasting my time on this anymore.. if you want... GO FIX YOUR PRODUCT (CFMX). Its quite obvious from other posts here, CFMX is not production stable(continuous problems). When a problem gets reported, MM Folks should atleast show the courtesy to acknowledge the problem and try to fix it...NOT ask developers to go though the proper channel. I am not the ONLY person that has complained about CFMX ODBX Problems, others here have reported the problem as well. Switching to a JDBC driver is not the answer to CFMX ODBC problems. Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 5:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? If the issue is a CFMX issue, then you do not have to pay anything. mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 4:38 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? Mike, We dont have any support licences and as far as i know to contact Tech Support we have to pay for the support. This is really a Macromedia Product (CFMX) Problem and we are not willing to pay to resolve MM Product Problems. Please let me know, if you can help. Thanks Joe Eugene ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ODBC Problems?
This is the reason we have those proper channels, such as tech support and the wish list. If you post an issue here, we may not see it, and if we do, we may not get the info needed, or have it logged correctly in the bug base. The people who monitor the wish list and tech support know what info to ask for, and can log it properly in the bug base. So, if you don't want to use those channels, that is fine. But you should not expect to get one on one support from macromedia without going through those channels. mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 6:39 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? If the issue is a CFMX issue, then you do not have to pay anything. What else do u think it is?... I am not wasting my time on this anymore.. if you want... GO FIX YOUR PRODUCT (CFMX). Its quite obvious from other posts here, CFMX is not production stable(continuous problems). When a problem gets reported, MM Folks should atleast show the courtesy to acknowledge the problem and try to fix it...NOT ask developers to go though the proper channel. I am not the ONLY person that has complained about CFMX ODBX Problems, others here have reported the problem as well. Switching to a JDBC driver is not the answer to CFMX ODBC problems. Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 5:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? If the issue is a CFMX issue, then you do not have to pay anything. mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 4:38 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? Mike, We dont have any support licences and as far as i know to contact Tech Support we have to pay for the support. This is really a Macromedia Product (CFMX) Problem and we are not willing to pay to resolve MM Product Problems. Please let me know, if you can help. Thanks Joe Eugene ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ODBC Problems?
I find your post rather brash, and not necessary for this venue. No one is forcing you to use MX. - Original Message - From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 6:39 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? If the issue is a CFMX issue, then you do not have to pay anything. What else do u think it is?... I am not wasting my time on this anymore.. if you want... GO FIX YOUR PRODUCT (CFMX). Its quite obvious from other posts here, CFMX is not production stable(continuous problems). When a problem gets reported, MM Folks should atleast show the courtesy to acknowledge the problem and try to fix it...NOT ask developers to go though the proper channel. I am not the ONLY person that has complained about CFMX ODBX Problems, others here have reported the problem as well. Switching to a JDBC driver is not the answer to CFMX ODBC problems. Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 5:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? If the issue is a CFMX issue, then you do not have to pay anything. mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 4:38 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? Mike, We dont have any support licences and as far as i know to contact Tech Support we have to pay for the support. This is really a Macromedia Product (CFMX) Problem and we are not willing to pay to resolve MM Product Problems. Please let me know, if you can help. Thanks Joe Eugene ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ODBC Problems?
I am not the ONLY person that has complained about CFMX ODBX Problems, others here have reported the problem as well. Switching to a JDBC driver is not the answer to CFMX ODBC problems. It might be, actually. I would recommend that you try it out, if you have a JDBC driver available. Sure, it might be a pain, but why would you expect ODBC to necessarily work as well from Java through JDBC as it did with no extra middleware layer in CF 5? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ODBC Problems?
Mike, I would like to hear the official line from Macromedia regarding the stability of CFMX in production environments...especially regarding shared hosting. As I've posted before on this list (and I think you took the info from me to follow up on it and never got back to me), a local ISP that upgraded to CFMX had major issues and were eventually told by Macromedia tech support that CFMX was not stable enough for shared hosting. So is this Macromedia's position or not? I'm not looking to point fingers and start some kind of MM flame war or anything. I simply want to be able to tell my clients the truth...no matter what it is. I personally love CFMX and especially love Flash remoting. No matter what your answer is I will still use theses products (although I may not advise clients to use CFMX if there are still issues). If there are issues, I will simply wait until they are resolved before advising clients to use CFMX. Of course if I get lied to and then incorrectly advise a client to use CFMX I'll be one pissed CF developer ;-) BTW the use proper channels line is getting old. I don't think paying customers should have to pay even more just to make MM's bug tracking system work. Change the system so someone such as yourself can report a bug that you see on lists. The bottom line should be making the product the best it can be and NOT following proper channels. Thanks for reading Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Mike Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 3:49 PM Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? This is the reason we have those proper channels, such as tech support and the wish list. If you post an issue here, we may not see it, and if we do, we may not get the info needed, or have it logged correctly in the bug base. The people who monitor the wish list and tech support know what info to ask for, and can log it properly in the bug base. So, if you don't want to use those channels, that is fine. But you should not expect to get one on one support from macromedia without going through those channels. mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 6:39 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? If the issue is a CFMX issue, then you do not have to pay anything. What else do u think it is?... I am not wasting my time on this anymore.. if you want... GO FIX YOUR PRODUCT (CFMX). Its quite obvious from other posts here, CFMX is not production stable(continuous problems). When a problem gets reported, MM Folks should atleast show the courtesy to acknowledge the problem and try to fix it...NOT ask developers to go though the proper channel. I am not the ONLY person that has complained about CFMX ODBX Problems, others here have reported the problem as well. Switching to a JDBC driver is not the answer to CFMX ODBC problems. Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 5:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? If the issue is a CFMX issue, then you do not have to pay anything. mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 4:38 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? Mike, We dont have any support licences and as far as i know to contact Tech Support we have to pay for the support. This is really a Macromedia Product (CFMX) Problem and we are not willing to pay to resolve MM Product Problems. Please let me know, if you can help. Thanks Joe Eugene ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ODBC Problems?
Our company came across an issue regarding Oracle stored procedures when we tested an MX upgrade. After some back-and-forth with the SP's themselves - triple-checking parameters and making sure they actually *did* work in the first place, some questions with other CF developers, and some JDBC and JDK upgrades, we registered a ticket with MM tech support, and lo and behold, it's an inherent problem with CFMX's Oracle connectivity. This was a setback for us, as we were hoping to migrate to MX and utilize its features to re-architect our major applications. While we'll have to hold off (and use MX as an ancillary server for now), we did take the initiative to go through the proper channels with MM and get a team assigned to what turned out to be an issue that _will_ be addressed in a future upgrade. This will guarantee this problem won't show up in later releases, and we'll have a guaranteed fix as opposed to a workaround. I could put it this way - would you rather users of your applications complain about program bugs and other problems on a mailing list that you check on occasion, or register the problem with you directly, so you could assess the severity immediately? - Jim -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 5:40 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? If the issue is a CFMX issue, then you do not have to pay anything. What else do u think it is?... I am not wasting my time on this anymore.. if you want... GO FIX YOUR PRODUCT (CFMX). Its quite obvious from other posts here, CFMX is not production stable(continuous problems). When a problem gets reported, MM Folks should atleast show the courtesy to acknowledge the problem and try to fix it...NOT ask developers to go though the proper channel. I am not the ONLY person that has complained about CFMX ODBX Problems, others here have reported the problem as well. Switching to a JDBC driver is not the answer to CFMX ODBC problems. Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 5:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? If the issue is a CFMX issue, then you do not have to pay anything. mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 4:38 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? Mike, We dont have any support licences and as far as i know to contact Tech Support we have to pay for the support. This is really a Macromedia Product (CFMX) Problem and we are not willing to pay to resolve MM Product Problems. Please let me know, if you can help. Thanks Joe Eugene ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ODBC Problems?
On 3/4/03, Michael T. Tangorre penned: I find your post rather brash, and not necessary for this venue. No one is forcing you to use MX. To be fair, CFMX is a VERY frustrating product. I don't even own a copy. I opened an account with Crystal Tech so I could test some applications. I'm sure Crystal Tech, from everything I've heard about them, is very knowledgeable and likely has CFMX optimized as well as possible. But just from testing one application, I've been pulling my hair out, on silly errors that show up on perfectly good code and should not be there. No one forces anyone to upgrade (well, except maybe you know who), but when you purchase a product that is advertised as being a release version and not beta, you have some right to expect a working, somewhat stable product. From the little experience I've had with CFMX, A WORKING, STABLE PRODUCT IT IS NOT! It is FULL of bugs. Some which are just ridiculous and make no sense, like the Insert query problem I posted about earlier. This product should still be deeply in Beta. But it isn't. So if MM is going to take our hard earned money to be their Beta testers, then the least they could do is cheerfully give free support (without asking for a credit card) until the product is ready. heck, I'm still on 4.51 because they never finished getting the bugs out of CF5, like the headers showing up after a cflocation. The whole thing stinks of M$. Sorry for the rant. -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ http://www.cf-ezcart.com/ 954.721.3452 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ODBC Problems?
Jim, Did you have to pay for the support once it was discovered to be a true bug? Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Jim Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 4:35 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? Our company came across an issue regarding Oracle stored procedures when we tested an MX upgrade. After some back-and-forth with the SP's themselves - triple-checking parameters and making sure they actually *did* work in the first place, some questions with other CF developers, and some JDBC and JDK upgrades, we registered a ticket with MM tech support, and lo and behold, it's an inherent problem with CFMX's Oracle connectivity. This was a setback for us, as we were hoping to migrate to MX and utilize its features to re-architect our major applications. While we'll have to hold off (and use MX as an ancillary server for now), we did take the initiative to go through the proper channels with MM and get a team assigned to what turned out to be an issue that _will_ be addressed in a future upgrade. This will guarantee this problem won't show up in later releases, and we'll have a guaranteed fix as opposed to a workaround. I could put it this way - would you rather users of your applications complain about program bugs and other problems on a mailing list that you check on occasion, or register the problem with you directly, so you could assess the severity immediately? - Jim -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 5:40 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? If the issue is a CFMX issue, then you do not have to pay anything. What else do u think it is?... I am not wasting my time on this anymore.. if you want... GO FIX YOUR PRODUCT (CFMX). Its quite obvious from other posts here, CFMX is not production stable(continuous problems). When a problem gets reported, MM Folks should atleast show the courtesy to acknowledge the problem and try to fix it...NOT ask developers to go though the proper channel. I am not the ONLY person that has complained about CFMX ODBX Problems, others here have reported the problem as well. Switching to a JDBC driver is not the answer to CFMX ODBC problems. Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 5:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? If the issue is a CFMX issue, then you do not have to pay anything. mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 4:38 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? Mike, We dont have any support licences and as far as i know to contact Tech Support we have to pay for the support. This is really a Macromedia Product (CFMX) Problem and we are not willing to pay to resolve MM Product Problems. Please let me know, if you can help. Thanks Joe Eugene ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ODBC Problems?
BTW the use proper channels line is getting old. I don't think paying customers should have to pay even more just to make MM's bug tracking system work. Change the system so someone such as yourself can report a bug that you see on lists. The bottom line should be making the product the best it can be and NOT following proper channels. As someone who's been on both sides of the tech support fence, I don't think Macromedia has any choice but to use proper channels. It's not as simple as reporting a bug based on second-hand information. What OS are they running? What database are they running? What database driver? What patch level? For anything beyond the most trivial problem, you need a back-and-forth communication between the person having the problem, and the tech support person. It's as simple as that. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ODBC Problems?
Nope. -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 6:48 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? Jim, Did you have to pay for the support once it was discovered to be a true bug? Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Jim Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 4:35 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? Our company came across an issue regarding Oracle stored procedures when we tested an MX upgrade. After some back-and-forth with the SP's themselves - triple-checking parameters and making sure they actually *did* work in the first place, some questions with other CF developers, and some JDBC and JDK upgrades, we registered a ticket with MM tech support, and lo and behold, it's an inherent problem with CFMX's Oracle connectivity. This was a setback for us, as we were hoping to migrate to MX and utilize its features to re-architect our major applications. While we'll have to hold off (and use MX as an ancillary server for now), we did take the initiative to go through the proper channels with MM and get a team assigned to what turned out to be an issue that _will_ be addressed in a future upgrade. This will guarantee this problem won't show up in later releases, and we'll have a guaranteed fix as opposed to a workaround. I could put it this way - would you rather users of your applications complain about program bugs and other problems on a mailing list that you check on occasion, or register the problem with you directly, so you could assess the severity immediately? - Jim -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 5:40 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? If the issue is a CFMX issue, then you do not have to pay anything. What else do u think it is?... I am not wasting my time on this anymore.. if you want... GO FIX YOUR PRODUCT (CFMX). Its quite obvious from other posts here, CFMX is not production stable(continuous problems). When a problem gets reported, MM Folks should atleast show the courtesy to acknowledge the problem and try to fix it...NOT ask developers to go though the proper channel. I am not the ONLY person that has complained about CFMX ODBX Problems, others here have reported the problem as well. Switching to a JDBC driver is not the answer to CFMX ODBC problems. Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 5:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? If the issue is a CFMX issue, then you do not have to pay anything. mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 4:38 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? Mike, We dont have any support licences and as far as i know to contact Tech Support we have to pay for the support. This is really a Macromedia Product (CFMX) Problem and we are not willing to pay to resolve MM Product Problems. Please let me know, if you can help. Thanks Joe Eugene ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ODBC Problems?
BTW the use proper channels line is getting old. I don't think paying customers should have to pay even more just to make MM's bug tracking system work. Change the system so someone such as yourself can report a bug that you see on lists. The bottom line should be making the product the best it can be and NOT following proper channels. As someone who's been on both sides of the tech support fence, I don't think Macromedia has any choice but to use proper channels. It's not as simple as reporting a bug based on second-hand information. What OS are they running? What database are they running? What database driver? What patch level? For anything beyond the most trivial problem, you need a back-and-forth communication between the person having the problem, and the tech support person. It's as simple as that. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software I hear you, however I'm referring to situations such as this list (and granted there are some ifs involved). -if Mike or someone else from MM sees a potential bug on a list -if they can get the info you laid out Dave (and this can be easily obtained by asking the poster) Then they should be able to get that info into the system. Would anyone hear only consider something a bug if a client called you up and paid you for the honor of reporting it? I think not The bottom line should be using all resources possible to make the product work and work properly and not limiting MM employees to the tech support process for finding and fixing things. Lists like this should be considered a gold mine of information (granted it needs some filtering) and not ignored. my 2 cents...but I hear ya Dave Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ODBC Problems?
I find your post rather brash, and not necessary for this venue. No one is forcing you to use MX. I dont think i asked for your consent. If you dont like the post, JUST DELETE IT. Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 7:08 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? I find your post rather brash, and not necessary for this venue. No one is forcing you to use MX. - Original Message - From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 6:39 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? If the issue is a CFMX issue, then you do not have to pay anything. What else do u think it is?... I am not wasting my time on this anymore.. if you want... GO FIX YOUR PRODUCT (CFMX). Its quite obvious from other posts here, CFMX is not production stable(continuous problems). When a problem gets reported, MM Folks should atleast show the courtesy to acknowledge the problem and try to fix it...NOT ask developers to go though the proper channel. I am not the ONLY person that has complained about CFMX ODBX Problems, others here have reported the problem as well. Switching to a JDBC driver is not the answer to CFMX ODBC problems. Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 5:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? If the issue is a CFMX issue, then you do not have to pay anything. mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 4:38 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? Mike, We dont have any support licences and as far as i know to contact Tech Support we have to pay for the support. This is really a Macromedia Product (CFMX) Problem and we are not willing to pay to resolve MM Product Problems. Please let me know, if you can help. Thanks Joe Eugene ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ODBC Problems?
It might be, actually. I would recommend that you try it out, if you have a JDBC driver available Dave, I got the JDBC driver working. The purpose of this whole post is to find out why the CFMX ODBC Agent/Server is not working/stable? I never saw any MM documentation saying that CFMX ODBC Connections are NOT Stable or NOT supposed to work. Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 7:29 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? I am not the ONLY person that has complained about CFMX ODBX Problems, others here have reported the problem as well. Switching to a JDBC driver is not the answer to CFMX ODBC problems. It might be, actually. I would recommend that you try it out, if you have a JDBC driver available. Sure, it might be a pain, but why would you expect ODBC to necessarily work as well from Java through JDBC as it did with no extra middleware layer in CF 5? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ODBC Problems?
As someone who's been on both sides of the tech support fence, I don't think Macromedia has any choice but to use proper channels. It's not as simple as reporting a bug based on second-hand information. Does Macromedia have a CFMX Bug submission site? I would happy to submit any bugs in such a manner. Am not willing to give my credit card for Problems related to Macromedia Products. Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 7:51 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? BTW the use proper channels line is getting old. I don't think paying customers should have to pay even more just to make MM's bug tracking system work. Change the system so someone such as yourself can report a bug that you see on lists. The bottom line should be making the product the best it can be and NOT following proper channels. As someone who's been on both sides of the tech support fence, I don't think Macromedia has any choice but to use proper channels. It's not as simple as reporting a bug based on second-hand information. What OS are they running? What database are they running? What database driver? What patch level? For anything beyond the most trivial problem, you need a back-and-forth communication between the person having the problem, and the tech support person. It's as simple as that. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ODBC Problems?
This product should still be deeply in Beta. But it isn't. So if MM is going to take our hard earned money to be their Beta testers, then the least they could do is cheerfully give free support (without asking for a credit card) until the product is ready I second this as well...i have personally spend hours testing CFMX... Alot of unproductive hours.. and Macromedia wants us to pay to REPORT bugs in CFMX. This is riduculous. Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Bud [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 7:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? On 3/4/03, Michael T. Tangorre penned: I find your post rather brash, and not necessary for this venue. No one is forcing you to use MX. To be fair, CFMX is a VERY frustrating product. I don't even own a copy. I opened an account with Crystal Tech so I could test some applications. I'm sure Crystal Tech, from everything I've heard about them, is very knowledgeable and likely has CFMX optimized as well as possible. But just from testing one application, I've been pulling my hair out, on silly errors that show up on perfectly good code and should not be there. No one forces anyone to upgrade (well, except maybe you know who), but when you purchase a product that is advertised as being a release version and not beta, you have some right to expect a working, somewhat stable product. From the little experience I've had with CFMX, A WORKING, STABLE PRODUCT IT IS NOT! It is FULL of bugs. Some which are just ridiculous and make no sense, like the Insert query problem I posted about earlier. This product should still be deeply in Beta. But it isn't. So if MM is going to take our hard earned money to be their Beta testers, then the least they could do is cheerfully give free support (without asking for a credit card) until the product is ready. heck, I'm still on 4.51 because they never finished getting the bugs out of CF5, like the headers showing up after a cflocation. The whole thing stinks of M$. Sorry for the rant. -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ http://www.cf-ezcart.com/ 954.721.3452 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ODBC Problems?
On Tuesday, Mar 4, 2003, at 18:29 US/Pacific, Joe Eugene wrote: Does Macromedia have a CFMX Bug submission site? http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform/ Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ODBC Problems?
Here you go. Sorry i didn't post it earlier: http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform/ mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 9:29 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? As someone who's been on both sides of the tech support fence, I don't think Macromedia has any choice but to use proper channels. It's not as simple as reporting a bug based on second-hand information. Does Macromedia have a CFMX Bug submission site? I would happy to submit any bugs in such a manner. Am not willing to give my credit card for Problems related to Macromedia Products. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ODBC Problems?
Here you go. Sorry i didn't post it earlier: http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform/ I have already submitted the problem, from Sean's earlier post. My email confirmation didnt even give me tracking no or anything else...Who knows where this goes! Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 9:38 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? Here you go. Sorry i didn't post it earlier: http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform/ mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 9:29 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? As someone who's been on both sides of the tech support fence, I don't think Macromedia has any choice but to use proper channels. It's not as simple as reporting a bug based on second-hand information. Does Macromedia have a CFMX Bug submission site? I would happy to submit any bugs in such a manner. Am not willing to give my credit card for Problems related to Macromedia Products. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ODBC Problems?
I do. It goes directly to the CF team. mike chambers mesh - Original Message - From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 9:54 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? Here you go. Sorry i didn't post it earlier: http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform/ I have already submitted the problem, from Sean's earlier post. My email confirmation didnt even give me tracking no or anything else...Who knows where this goes! Joe Eugene ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ODBC Problems?
MM marketing employees frequently post to the effect that support along the line of installation is free, however will not acknowledge that the channels that when followed remain an exercise in frustration. While you may post what are obvious bugs to a wish list, that is not in reality a bug tracking system. Most importantly, is that for the most part users that are trying to avail themselves of free installation support run up against a stone wall when trying to deal with a non-responsive support system. When you do get a reply from a support request, it will be 1. months late. 2. usually a canned response along the lines of read the documentation. I know I am not alone when I express my own desire to spend no more unproductive time with broken software from MM, along with broken updates when there are tools that are available that are less expensive, more stable, with prompt, attentive support systems. = Douglas White group Manager mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.samcfug.org = - Original Message - From: Mike Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 8:38 PM Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? | Here you go. Sorry i didn't post it earlier: | | http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform/ | | mike chambers | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | - Original Message - | From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] | To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 9:29 PM | Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? | | | As someone who's been on both sides of the tech support fence, I | don't think | Macromedia has any choice but to use proper channels. It's not as | simple | as reporting a bug based on second-hand information. | | Does Macromedia have a CFMX Bug submission site? I would happy to | submit any bugs in such a manner. Am not willing to give my credit | card for Problems related to Macromedia Products. | | ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ODBC Problems?
To get back onto the original topic: Has anyone found the ODBC socket connection to work? Using what db/version? We've heard from people who didn't, both in this thread and previously. Who can share with us an experience of a stable connection? Maybe if we approach this from a different end we'll hear some good news. --- Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com --- ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ODBC Problems?
odbc socket, I use it on winXp, IIS, cfmx on my dev laptop, is this the config you are talking about ...tony Tony Weeg Senior Web Developer UnCertified Advanced ColdFusion Developer Information System Design Navtrak, Inc. Mobile workforce monitoring, mapping reporting www.navtrak.net 410.548.2337 -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 10:23 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? To get back onto the original topic: Has anyone found the ODBC socket connection to work? Using what db/version? We've heard from people who didn't, both in this thread and previously. Who can share with us an experience of a stable connection? Maybe if we approach this from a different end we'll hear some good news. --- Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com --- ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ODBC Problems?
Yup. Personally I haven't been able to get it to work on Win2k on two dev servers. One is running a dev edition of CFMX. The other is running a full copy of Pro. Forgot about a 3rd: My laptop also has a full copy of Pro on it and I had identical problems. Seemed like ODBC just didn't want to stay connected. The JDBC worked fine so I didn't worry too much further about it, but if I were trying to run Oracle 8i on CFMX Pro (I was) in a production environment (fortunately I was not, so I ran my tests on an MX dev edition) then I'd really have my work cut out for me trying to find another set of drivers. --- Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com --- -- Original Message -- From: Tony Weeg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 22:24:09 -0500 odbc socket, I use it on winXp, IIS, cfmx on my dev laptop, is this the config you are talking about ...tony Tony Weeg Senior Web Developer UnCertified Advanced ColdFusion Developer Information System Design Navtrak, Inc. Mobile workforce monitoring, mapping reporting www.navtrak.net 410.548.2337 -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 10:23 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? To get back onto the original topic: Has anyone found the ODBC socket connection to work? Using what db/version? We've heard from people who didn't, both in this thread and previously. Who can share with us an experience of a stable connection? Maybe if we approach this from a different end we'll hear some good news. --- Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com --- ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ODBC Problems?
h, that's a wonder...huh. well, we use adv sql server 2000, cfmx, and iis on 1 live server and 1 dev server, both have sp 2, and both are ROCKIN one has a bunch of domains running on itthe other, just 1, and truthfully, we havent ran into any issues at all, I suppose we got that one gold wonka bar of a cfmx install that is just hummin along :) ...tony Tony Weeg Senior Web Developer UnCertified Advanced ColdFusion Developer Information System Design Navtrak, Inc. Mobile workforce monitoring, mapping reporting www.navtrak.net 410.548.2337 -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 10:35 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? Yup. Personally I haven't been able to get it to work on Win2k on two dev servers. One is running a dev edition of CFMX. The other is running a full copy of Pro. Forgot about a 3rd: My laptop also has a full copy of Pro on it and I had identical problems. Seemed like ODBC just didn't want to stay connected. The JDBC worked fine so I didn't worry too much further about it, but if I were trying to run Oracle 8i on CFMX Pro (I was) in a production environment (fortunately I was not, so I ran my tests on an MX dev edition) then I'd really have my work cut out for me trying to find another set of drivers. --- Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com --- -- Original Message -- From: Tony Weeg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 22:24:09 -0500 odbc socket, I use it on winXp, IIS, cfmx on my dev laptop, is this the config you are talking about ...tony Tony Weeg Senior Web Developer UnCertified Advanced ColdFusion Developer Information System Design Navtrak, Inc. Mobile workforce monitoring, mapping reporting www.navtrak.net 410.548.2337 -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 10:23 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? To get back onto the original topic: Has anyone found the ODBC socket connection to work? Using what db/version? We've heard from people who didn't, both in this thread and previously. Who can share with us an experience of a stable connection? Maybe if we approach this from a different end we'll hear some good news. --- Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com --- ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ODBC Problems?
I have the ODBC connector working with a SQL Server database in my development environment. It's the only way we have right now to connect to our SQL Servers as our DBA is loath to enable SQL Server Authentication. We run our CFMX service as a named domain account that has rights to the database. It works fine, albeit, there is very little load on this server and due to the config of the server, we do not load test on it. Specs are CFMX Updater 2, IIS 5.0, Win2k Server (Standard), SQL Server 2000 with SP 2 applied. I think that the key here is running CFMX as a named user. I couldn't get it to work when it ran as system. HTH, Jeff Garza -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 8:23 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? To get back onto the original topic: Has anyone found the ODBC socket connection to work? Using what db/version? We've heard from people who didn't, both in this thread and previously. Who can share with us an experience of a stable connection? Maybe if we approach this from a different end we'll hear some good news. --- Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com --- ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ODBC Problems?
h, that's a wonder...huh. well, we use adv sql server 2000, cfmx, and iis on 1 live server and 1 dev server, both have sp 2, and both are ROCKIN How are your Database Connections Configured? ODBC? Or SQL-Server JDBC Drivers? Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 10:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? h, that's a wonder...huh. well, we use adv sql server 2000, cfmx, and iis on 1 live server and 1 dev server, both have sp 2, and both are ROCKIN one has a bunch of domains running on itthe other, just 1, and truthfully, we havent ran into any issues at all, I suppose we got that one gold wonka bar of a cfmx install that is just hummin along :) ...tony Tony Weeg Senior Web Developer UnCertified Advanced ColdFusion Developer Information System Design Navtrak, Inc. Mobile workforce monitoring, mapping reporting www.navtrak.net 410.548.2337 -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 10:35 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? Yup. Personally I haven't been able to get it to work on Win2k on two dev servers. One is running a dev edition of CFMX. The other is running a full copy of Pro. Forgot about a 3rd: My laptop also has a full copy of Pro on it and I had identical problems. Seemed like ODBC just didn't want to stay connected. The JDBC worked fine so I didn't worry too much further about it, but if I were trying to run Oracle 8i on CFMX Pro (I was) in a production environment (fortunately I was not, so I ran my tests on an MX dev edition) then I'd really have my work cut out for me trying to find another set of drivers. --- Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com --- -- Original Message -- From: Tony Weeg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 22:24:09 -0500 odbc socket, I use it on winXp, IIS, cfmx on my dev laptop, is this the config you are talking about ...tony Tony Weeg Senior Web Developer UnCertified Advanced ColdFusion Developer Information System Design Navtrak, Inc. Mobile workforce monitoring, mapping reporting www.navtrak.net 410.548.2337 -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 10:23 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? To get back onto the original topic: Has anyone found the ODBC socket connection to work? Using what db/version? We've heard from people who didn't, both in this thread and previously. Who can share with us an experience of a stable connection? Maybe if we approach this from a different end we'll hear some good news. --- Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com --- ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ODBC Problems?
you mean installed and ran under a user other than Administrator? tony -Original Message- From: Jeff Garza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 10:47 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? I have the ODBC connector working with a SQL Server database in my development environment. It's the only way we have right now to connect to our SQL Servers as our DBA is loath to enable SQL Server Authentication. We run our CFMX service as a named domain account that has rights to the database. It works fine, albeit, there is very little load on this server and due to the config of the server, we do not load test on it. Specs are CFMX Updater 2, IIS 5.0, Win2k Server (Standard), SQL Server 2000 with SP 2 applied. I think that the key here is running CFMX as a named user. I couldn't get it to work when it ran as system. HTH, Jeff Garza -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 8:23 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? To get back onto the original topic: Has anyone found the ODBC socket connection to work? Using what db/version? We've heard from people who didn't, both in this thread and previously. Who can share with us an experience of a stable connection? Maybe if we approach this from a different end we'll hear some good news. --- Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com --- ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ODBC Problems?
The account that it's running as does have admin rights on the dev machine (it's a member of the local administrators group) but it's a domain account. I haven't had the time to work up the proper security configuration for it to work as a less priveledged user. Although, I would imagine that it can be done. Jeff -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 8:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? you mean installed and ran under a user other than Administrator? tony -Original Message- From: Jeff Garza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 10:47 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? I have the ODBC connector working with a SQL Server database in my development environment. It's the only way we have right now to connect to our SQL Servers as our DBA is loath to enable SQL Server Authentication. We run our CFMX service as a named domain account that has rights to the database. It works fine, albeit, there is very little load on this server and due to the config of the server, we do not load test on it. Specs are CFMX Updater 2, IIS 5.0, Win2k Server (Standard), SQL Server 2000 with SP 2 applied. I think that the key here is running CFMX as a named user. I couldn't get it to work when it ran as system. HTH, Jeff Garza -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 8:23 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? To get back onto the original topic: Has anyone found the ODBC socket connection to work? Using what db/version? We've heard from people who didn't, both in this thread and previously. Who can share with us an experience of a stable connection? Maybe if we approach this from a different end we'll hear some good news. --- Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com --- ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ODBC Problems?
I have the ODBC connector working with a SQL Server database in my development environment. We havent noticed any CFMX ODBC Connection problems in our development box either.. this box has no Load.. just 3 developers on this box. Our tests on development box..didnt have any problems.. thats why we took CFMX to Production with this configuration. However.. as soon as we got some load on CFMX in production... CFMX ODBC Connections started dropping... Stop and Re-start CFMX ODBC Services and everything starts working for an hour under load and then starts dropping connections again. I think that the key here is running CFMX as a named user. I couldn't get it to work when it ran as system. I am not sure, if this had any relevance. Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Jeff Garza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 10:47 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? I have the ODBC connector working with a SQL Server database in my development environment. It's the only way we have right now to connect to our SQL Servers as our DBA is loath to enable SQL Server Authentication. We run our CFMX service as a named domain account that has rights to the database. It works fine, albeit, there is very little load on this server and due to the config of the server, we do not load test on it. Specs are CFMX Updater 2, IIS 5.0, Win2k Server (Standard), SQL Server 2000 with SP 2 applied. I think that the key here is running CFMX as a named user. I couldn't get it to work when it ran as system. HTH, Jeff Garza -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 8:23 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? To get back onto the original topic: Has anyone found the ODBC socket connection to work? Using what db/version? We've heard from people who didn't, both in this thread and previously. Who can share with us an experience of a stable connection? Maybe if we approach this from a different end we'll hear some good news. --- Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com --- ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ODBC Problems?
i second that! I find your post rather brash, and not necessary for this venue. No one is forcing you to use MX. your boo hoo parade is nothing short of lame annoying - Original Message - From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 9:22 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? I find your post rather brash, and not necessary for this venue. No one is forcing you to use MX. I dont think i asked for your consent. If you dont like the post, JUST DELETE IT. Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 7:08 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? I find your post rather brash, and not necessary for this venue. No one is forcing you to use MX. - Original Message - From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 6:39 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? If the issue is a CFMX issue, then you do not have to pay anything. What else do u think it is?... I am not wasting my time on this anymore.. if you want... GO FIX YOUR PRODUCT (CFMX). Its quite obvious from other posts here, CFMX is not production stable(continuous problems). When a problem gets reported, MM Folks should atleast show the courtesy to acknowledge the problem and try to fix it...NOT ask developers to go though the proper channel. I am not the ONLY person that has complained about CFMX ODBX Problems, others here have reported the problem as well. Switching to a JDBC driver is not the answer to CFMX ODBC problems. Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 5:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? If the issue is a CFMX issue, then you do not have to pay anything. mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 4:38 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? Mike, We dont have any support licences and as far as i know to contact Tech Support we have to pay for the support. This is really a Macromedia Product (CFMX) Problem and we are not willing to pay to resolve MM Product Problems. Please let me know, if you can help. Thanks Joe Eugene ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ODBC Problems?
I find your post rather brash, and not necessary for this venue. No one is forcing you to use MX. What do you think this Venue is for? your boo hoo parade is nothing short of lame annoying I am glad you find it annoying... that was intentional!. Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Dave Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 11:40 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? i second that! I find your post rather brash, and not necessary for this venue. No one is forcing you to use MX. your boo hoo parade is nothing short of lame annoying - Original Message - From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 9:22 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? I find your post rather brash, and not necessary for this venue. No one is forcing you to use MX. I dont think i asked for your consent. If you dont like the post, JUST DELETE IT. Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 7:08 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? I find your post rather brash, and not necessary for this venue. No one is forcing you to use MX. - Original Message - From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 6:39 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? If the issue is a CFMX issue, then you do not have to pay anything. What else do u think it is?... I am not wasting my time on this anymore.. if you want... GO FIX YOUR PRODUCT (CFMX). Its quite obvious from other posts here, CFMX is not production stable(continuous problems). When a problem gets reported, MM Folks should atleast show the courtesy to acknowledge the problem and try to fix it...NOT ask developers to go though the proper channel. I am not the ONLY person that has complained about CFMX ODBX Problems, others here have reported the problem as well. Switching to a JDBC driver is not the answer to CFMX ODBC problems. Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 5:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? If the issue is a CFMX issue, then you do not have to pay anything. mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 4:38 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? Mike, We dont have any support licences and as far as i know to contact Tech Support we have to pay for the support. This is really a Macromedia Product (CFMX) Problem and we are not willing to pay to resolve MM Product Problems. Please let me know, if you can help. Thanks Joe Eugene ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ODBC Problems?
What do you think this Venue is for? I am glad you find it annoying... that was intentional!. you aren't to bright are you? guess we all have our opinions if you have a problem with MM tell them about it, I don't understand why you feel you need to come here and do it. Do you think this group has magic powers and if you cry for them long enough, they will fix your every whim? lol Every program has its problems and it seems to me that MM does a fairly good job of getting them fixed. Hell, I have issues with M$ but I don't go to the adobe group and cry about it. One of my business partners has a saying ~Being an ass only gets you a firm 1 finger salute~ - Original Message - From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 11:50 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? I find your post rather brash, and not necessary for this venue. No one is forcing you to use MX. What do you think this Venue is for? your boo hoo parade is nothing short of lame annoying I am glad you find it annoying... that was intentional!. Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Dave Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 11:40 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? i second that! I find your post rather brash, and not necessary for this venue. No one is forcing you to use MX. your boo hoo parade is nothing short of lame annoying - Original Message - From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 9:22 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? I find your post rather brash, and not necessary for this venue. No one is forcing you to use MX. I dont think i asked for your consent. If you dont like the post, JUST DELETE IT. Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 7:08 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? I find your post rather brash, and not necessary for this venue. No one is forcing you to use MX. - Original Message - From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 6:39 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? If the issue is a CFMX issue, then you do not have to pay anything. What else do u think it is?... I am not wasting my time on this anymore.. if you want... GO FIX YOUR PRODUCT (CFMX). Its quite obvious from other posts here, CFMX is not production stable(continuous problems). When a problem gets reported, MM Folks should atleast show the courtesy to acknowledge the problem and try to fix it...NOT ask developers to go though the proper channel. I am not the ONLY person that has complained about CFMX ODBX Problems, others here have reported the problem as well. Switching to a JDBC driver is not the answer to CFMX ODBC problems. Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 5:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? If the issue is a CFMX issue, then you do not have to pay anything. mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 4:38 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? Mike, We dont have any support licences and as far as i know to contact Tech Support we have to pay for the support. This is really a Macromedia Product (CFMX) Problem and we are not willing to pay to resolve MM Product Problems. Please let me know, if you can help. Thanks Joe Eugene ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ODBC Problems?
Yet another Ignorant CFer..! what else can i say. Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Dave Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:18 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? What do you think this Venue is for? I am glad you find it annoying... that was intentional!. you aren't to bright are you? guess we all have our opinions if you have a problem with MM tell them about it, I don't understand why you feel you need to come here and do it. Do you think this group has magic powers and if you cry for them long enough, they will fix your every whim? lol Every program has its problems and it seems to me that MM does a fairly good job of getting them fixed. Hell, I have issues with M$ but I don't go to the adobe group and cry about it. One of my business partners has a saying ~Being an ass only gets you a firm 1 finger salute~ - Original Message - From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 11:50 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? I find your post rather brash, and not necessary for this venue. No one is forcing you to use MX. What do you think this Venue is for? your boo hoo parade is nothing short of lame annoying I am glad you find it annoying... that was intentional!. Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Dave Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 11:40 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? i second that! I find your post rather brash, and not necessary for this venue. No one is forcing you to use MX. your boo hoo parade is nothing short of lame annoying - Original Message - From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 9:22 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? I find your post rather brash, and not necessary for this venue. No one is forcing you to use MX. I dont think i asked for your consent. If you dont like the post, JUST DELETE IT. Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 7:08 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? I find your post rather brash, and not necessary for this venue. No one is forcing you to use MX. - Original Message - From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 6:39 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? If the issue is a CFMX issue, then you do not have to pay anything. What else do u think it is?... I am not wasting my time on this anymore.. if you want... GO FIX YOUR PRODUCT (CFMX). Its quite obvious from other posts here, CFMX is not production stable(continuous problems). When a problem gets reported, MM Folks should atleast show the courtesy to acknowledge the problem and try to fix it...NOT ask developers to go though the proper channel. I am not the ONLY person that has complained about CFMX ODBX Problems, others here have reported the problem as well. Switching to a JDBC driver is not the answer to CFMX ODBC problems. Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 5:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? If the issue is a CFMX issue, then you do not have to pay anything. mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 4:38 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? Mike, We dont have any support licences and as far as i know to contact Tech Support we have to pay for the support. This is really a Macromedia Product (CFMX) Problem and we are not willing to pay to resolve MM Product Problems. Please let me know, if you can help. Thanks Joe Eugene ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ODBC Problems?
lol you really are lacking a bit upstairs arent you? - Original Message - From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:53 AM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? Yet another Ignorant CFer..! what else can i say. Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Dave Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:18 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? What do you think this Venue is for? I am glad you find it annoying... that was intentional!. you aren't to bright are you? guess we all have our opinions if you have a problem with MM tell them about it, I don't understand why you feel you need to come here and do it. Do you think this group has magic powers and if you cry for them long enough, they will fix your every whim? lol Every program has its problems and it seems to me that MM does a fairly good job of getting them fixed. Hell, I have issues with M$ but I don't go to the adobe group and cry about it. One of my business partners has a saying ~Being an ass only gets you a firm 1 finger salute~ - Original Message - From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 11:50 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? I find your post rather brash, and not necessary for this venue. No one is forcing you to use MX. What do you think this Venue is for? your boo hoo parade is nothing short of lame annoying I am glad you find it annoying... that was intentional!. Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Dave Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 11:40 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? i second that! I find your post rather brash, and not necessary for this venue. No one is forcing you to use MX. your boo hoo parade is nothing short of lame annoying - Original Message - From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 9:22 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? I find your post rather brash, and not necessary for this venue. No one is forcing you to use MX. I dont think i asked for your consent. If you dont like the post, JUST DELETE IT. Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 7:08 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? I find your post rather brash, and not necessary for this venue. No one is forcing you to use MX. - Original Message - From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 6:39 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? If the issue is a CFMX issue, then you do not have to pay anything. What else do u think it is?... I am not wasting my time on this anymore.. if you want... GO FIX YOUR PRODUCT (CFMX). Its quite obvious from other posts here, CFMX is not production stable(continuous problems). When a problem gets reported, MM Folks should atleast show the courtesy to acknowledge the problem and try to fix it...NOT ask developers to go though the proper channel. I am not the ONLY person that has complained about CFMX ODBX Problems, others here have reported the problem as well. Switching to a JDBC driver is not the answer to CFMX ODBC problems. Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 5:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ODBC Problems? If the issue is a CFMX issue, then you do not have to pay anything. mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 4:38 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? Mike, We dont have any support licences and as far as i know to contact Tech Support we have to pay for the support. This is really a Macromedia Product (CFMX) Problem and we are not willing to pay to resolve MM Product Problems. Please let me know, if you can help. Thanks Joe Eugene ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists
RE: ODBC Problems?
Sounds like the CFMX ODBC Connection Polling Framework, whatever it uses might be acting up. Question is...Has anybody seen problems with CFMX ODBC connections being dropped? Either SQL-Server ODBC or any other ODBC configured with CFMX. Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Botts, Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 5:35 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: ODBC Problems? I'm getting errors with my MX box trying to connect to an AS/400. After about an hour the MX server hangs. Stopping and starting the ODBC services generally clears it up. Just wondering if anyone has any ideas or if anyone is experiencing similar problems ? Here is one of the error messages I am receiving. :[MERANT][SequeLink JDBC Driver][ODBC Socket][IBM][Client Access Express ODBC Driver (32-bit)][DB2/400 SQL]Communication link failure. Thanks. ~~~ Tom Botts Gilbarco Inc. 336-547-5911 phone 336-547-5163 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gilbarco.com ~~~ ...OLE_Obj... ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ODBC Problems?
Joe wrote: Question is...Has anybody seen problems with CFMX ODBC connections being dropped? In MX, I sure have. I couldn't get reliable performance on dev or live boxes, using both Pro and Developer (running as Enterprise before its 30 days were up), unless I used the native drivers. Got the error you described exactly, if I recall correctly. Was trying to use SQL Server (latest MSDE), Oracle (9i, I think), mySQL and Access via odbc and couldn't get it to work. In fairness this was in a pre-update initial release of cfmx. --- Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com --- ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ODBC Problems?
if I recall correctly. Was trying to use SQL Server (latest MSDE), Oracle (9i, I think), mySQL and Access via odbc and couldn't get it to work. Interesting, Thanks Matt. Ok, looks like we have a problem with the CFMX ODBC Sever Engine. Can someone from MM Product Team clarify whats happening? Is this an MM aware issue, any patches available? Thanks Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 7:04 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ODBC Problems? Joe wrote: Question is...Has anybody seen problems with CFMX ODBC connections being dropped? In MX, I sure have. I couldn't get reliable performance on dev or live boxes, using both Pro and Developer (running as Enterprise before its 30 days were up), unless I used the native drivers. Got the error you described exactly, if I recall correctly. Was trying to use SQL Server (latest MSDE), Oracle (9i, I think), mySQL and Access via odbc and couldn't get it to work. In fairness this was in a pre-update initial release of cfmx. --- Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com --- ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
