Higher than CCIE...

2000-08-27 Thread Generation Cisco

Hey Group,
I was pondering this thought. If the rate of CCIE's is rising at a
fast pace than I think it would be cool if Cisco created a new cert. The way
to obtain this one would be to pass all three CCIE tests. From what I know
there is only one person in the world who has all three... I think his name
is Brendan Ta or something. They could name the cert: CCID (Cisco certified
internetwork director), or something like (and this is my favorite): CCIG
(Cisco certified internetwork guru) :)  Don't think they would use that one
though, :)  This type of cert would, in my eyes, deem you as a true master
of the matrix, if you know what I mean...just a though. Maybe we can get
some good responses on this one...Have a good one group. 

P.S. I would like if Priscilla O. and Todd L. could also comment on this
topic...thanks.  :)

Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA, CCDA
E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
~Internetwork Essentials~
"Complete Solutions for Complex Networks"


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RE: Re:Re: Router for play @ home

2000-08-27 Thread Chuck Larrieu

FWIW, my old Flashcom DSL account had a single static IP. Had the same IP
for the year I was with them

Your mileage obviously varies.

Chuck

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Albert
Sent:   Saturday, August 26, 2000 10:19 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: Re:Re: Router for play @ home

Michael,

I would like to put in my 0.02.
I am currently using DSL.  I got it about 18 months ago.  I could not get a
static IP.  The DSLM I am on is not setup for it.
You should think about who can give you a static IP that will never change.
One day you will want to connect your lab with other people's.  (Chuck is
always looking for people to play with ;-) Without a static, it will be
hard.  I had trying to setup a VPN to my work lab and looks like I will have
to check the IP every 2 days (that's how long the DHCP is for).

Albert


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> thanks to all who responded...I will take all into
> consideration and do some more research before making a decision
> (especially the firewall device)
> what I had planned was to go from cable modem or dsl to
> back to back routers via T1 modules then to a hub
> for a home setup
> I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something too obvious.
>
> -michael
>
>
> > - Original Message -
> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 18:27 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Kevin Wigle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED],
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Reply-to: Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Delivered-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Router for play @ home
>
> On Sat, 26 Aug 2000, Kevin Wigle wrote:
>
> > It depends (:-))  on just what you're asking.
> >
> > If you're asking if you can use your 25xx routers and connect them to
> the
> > cable/dsl modem - if dsl is better than cable
> >
> > then, most DSL providers are DHCP, so the 25xx could not connect
directly
> to
> > the cable/dsl as the address may change.  Well you could do this but you
> > would have to find out what the address was and then change the router
> > interface.  Really a bother.
>
> newer IOS supported "ip address dhcp" parameter, which allows the router
> to get the address via dhcp.  Also, I think you have it
> backwards.most cable companies are DHCP which is a broadband type
> application..DSL on the other hand is a combination of PtP
> (routed) and broadcast (bridged) customers.
>
> >
> > In Canada, Rogers#Home Cable trys to keep you static - but with no
> > guarantees.  I've had the same address for about 18 months now.  For a
> long
> > time I had a 2509 directly connected to the cable modem.
> >
> > if you're asking if the 25xx will connect directly to the provider
replacing
> > the cable/dsl router - then no, that won't happen.
> >
> > But, if you put a Internet Appliance between them, say a Linksys
Firewall,
> > (did I say I love mine!!!) then the FW negotiates with the cable/dsl on
> the
> > WAN side and you use 192.168.x.x on the inside and then the 25xx address
> > stays the same, no muss - no fuss.
> >
> > So it depends on just where your question is going.
> >
> > Kevin Wigle
> > CCDP/CCNP..
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Saturday, 26 August, 2000 13:55
> > Subject: Re: Router for play @ home
> >
> >
> > > does cable modem have advantages over dsl on a phone line? I recently
> > obtained
> > > 2 25xx routers with T1 interfaces...I plan on getting broadband soon
> but
> > > was wondering if one would serve me better than the other...i am
strting
> > > to work on my ccna.
> > >
> > > thnx
> > > -michael
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:55 -0400 (EDT)
> > > From: Circusnuts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Reply-to: Circusnuts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Delivered-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: Router for play @ home
> > >
> > > Hey Mike- there's not a lot you can ever do with just one router.
Cable
> > >
> > > modems are great...  I get 2 Megs most of the time & discourage my
> > > neighbors from joining as often as I get a chance to :-)  Cable modem
> > > systems are a little strange.  My Comcast system is fiber (digital)
> to a
> > >
> > > sidewalk box (in my neighborhood), analog into house, then it hits the
> > > cable modem & converts back to digital.  So for me & a lot of other
> > people,
> > > a router is only something you can add after the cable modem (& not
> in
> > > place of).  The best bang for the buck, is a Cisco 3000 (3101) dual
> > > Ethernet router.  They run about $250 on Ebay & for another "approx."
> $200
> > >
> > > (is what it has cost me to upgrade my 3000's) you can add new boot
ROM's,
> > >
> > > 16 Megs of RAM, 8 Megs of FLASH, & compress (almost any IOS C

RE: dividing up the same subnet on 2 diff segments

2000-08-27 Thread Chuck Larrieu

The auto-summary and no auto-summary commands have nothing to do with the
ability of EIGRP to work with VLSM.

In EIGRP, automatic summarization takes place in the routing process when
several subnets are entered into the process, subnets which will
automatically be summarized at the higher classful boundary.

For example:

Router eigrp 100
Network 172.16.10.0
Network 172.16.25.0
Network 172.16.204.0

The default auto-summary would summarize this as 172.16.0.0

In theory you should be able to turn off auto-summarization so that you can
perform CIDR summarization on an interface by interface basis.

Interface s0
Summary-address eigrp 100 172.0.0.0 255.0.0.0

For this to work, auto-summarization must be disabled using the no
auto-summary command under the router process.

EIGRP will support the subnets below with no problem.

Chuck

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 << File: vcard.vcf >> Hi,

you need use the command of "no auto-summary", to let router support the
VLSM.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  Hi
>
>   I have a question? I have two routers okay and I have routing turned on
> both of them (EIGRP). lets say I want to use 10.1.1.0 and I want to be
able
> to to split this subnet into two networks, I know you can use IP
subnet-zero
> to do this, but I want to address the first router E0 Interface with
10.1.1.1
> to 10.1.1.126 and the second router E0 with the second half 10.1.1.127 to
> 10.1.1.254 ok. Now I want to be able to ping each others gateway.
>
> Can I or should I be able to ping each others gateway and have one flat
> segment between 2 router Ethernet segment. Do I need to bridge this? these
> two segments together.
>
> Brian
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RE: Higher than CCIE...

2000-08-27 Thread Chuck Larrieu

And exactly what problem would this solve?

-Original Message-
From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Saturday, August 26, 2000 11:56 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Higher than CCIE...

Hey Group,
I was pondering this thought. If the rate of CCIE's is rising at a fast
pace than I think it would be cool if Cisco created a new cert. The way to
obtain this one would be to pass all three CCIE tests. From what I know
there is only one person in the world who has all three... I think his name
is Brendan Ta or something. They could name the cert: CCID (Cisco certified
internetwork director), or something like (and this is my favorite): CCIG
(Cisco certified internetwork guru) :)  Don't think they would use that one
though, :)  This type of cert would, in my eyes, deem you as a true master
of the matrix, if you know what I mean...just a though. Maybe we can get
some good responses on this one...Have a good one group.

P.S. I would like if Priscilla O. and Todd L. could also comment on this
topic...thanks.  :)

Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA, CCDA
E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
~Internetwork Essentials~
"Complete Solutions for Complex Networks"


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Design CCIE-Written Test (340-014)?

2000-08-27 Thread Jim Yam

Hi,

Has anybody taken this test or know much about it?
Any kind of info is appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Jim


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NO. of CCIE

2000-08-27 Thread wind

Hi;

I checked with Cisco web site, they indicated that the no. of CCIE
is just 4996.
As of July 31, 2000.

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ccie_program/ccie_present.html

Thanks
Vincent Chong
CCxx


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help for ccnp

2000-08-27 Thread sudheer

Hi everybody,i finished CCNA exam i need to finish ccnpcould you please help
me for how to go through and what books to buy


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Polling Cat5500

2000-08-27 Thread Keith Woodworth


Want to poll a specific port on a Cat5500 via SNMP.

Port in question is Mod 10 - Port 4. Its 100Mb fast ether. This is the
ifIndex:

interfaces.ifTable.ifEntry.ifIndex.20 = 20

Since I know that how can I specify via snmpwalk to look at just this
interface?

Off to look over some other docs but anyone have any pointers?

Thanks,
Keith


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Differences between 1600 -2500

2000-08-27 Thread martijn

Dear group, thnxs for the last answer on the 3000's.

Q: are there ios differences between 1600- and 2500?

A quick look on the Cisco www told me nothing.

Why shouldn't I buy 3 1600's and WAN them together. Instead of the 2500's.

Your answer will guide my buying decision. Need them for training.

thanks again.

martijnblabla+i cc? x+  etc..

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I've got 6 in my lab- upgraded to 2500 boot ROM's, RAM, FLASH, & IOS...  So,
yes they are excellent for training.

Thanks !!!
Phil

PS- let me know if need to upgrade, I have a some parts left over...

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> Hi all.
>
> Has anybody worked with a 3000 net router, is it any good for training
> purposes?
>
> thnx Martijn
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RE: BGP Remote router ID

2000-08-27 Thread Gils

The remote router ID is 10.9.1.2, the router uses as his router ID the
lowest ip address of the loopback as his router ID if their is no loopbacks
he goes to the lowest ip address of one of the interfaces.

Gil


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Hello to all,

what is the remote router ID in the output of the command bellow.


GSR16#sh ip bgp neighbors
BGP neighbor is 192.168.6.2, remote AS 65500, external link
 Index 1, Offset 0, Mask 0x2
  BGP version 4, remote router ID 10.9.1.2


Thanks

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RE: NO. of CCIE

2000-08-27 Thread Gavin Payne

Thats the number of CCIE's with specialisations.  Apparently there are over
30,000 normal CCIEs

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> wind
> Sent: 27 August 2000 08:46
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: NO. of CCIE
>
>
> Hi;
>
> I checked with Cisco web site, they indicated that
> the no. of CCIE
> is just 4996.
> As of July 31, 2000.
>
> http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ccie_program/ccie_pr
esent.html

Thanks
Vincent Chong
CCxx


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RE: NO. of CCIE

2000-08-27 Thread Gils

>From where you bring that number ??

  Last I checked in the Cisco site there was a little over 4000.

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Thats the number of CCIE's with specialisations.  Apparently there are over
30,000 normal CCIEs

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> wind
> Sent: 27 August 2000 08:46
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> Subject: NO. of CCIE
>
>
> Hi;
>
> I checked with Cisco web site, they indicated that
> the no. of CCIE
> is just 4996.
> As of July 31, 2000.
>
> http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ccie_program/ccie_pr
esent.html

Thanks
Vincent Chong
CCxx


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Re: NO. of CCIE

2000-08-27 Thread wind

follow the link that I stated

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ¼¶¼g©ó¤å³¹ ...
>From where you bring that number ??
>
>  Last I checked in the Cisco site there was a little over 4000.
>
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>Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 10:46 AM
>To: 'wind'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
>
>Thats the number of CCIE's with specialisations.  Apparently there are over
>30,000 normal CCIEs
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
>> wind
>> Sent: 27 August 2000 08:46
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: NO. of CCIE
>>
>>
>> Hi;
>>
>> I checked with Cisco web site, they indicated that
>> the no. of CCIE
>> is just 4996.
>> As of July 31, 2000.
>>
>> http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ccie_program/ccie_pr
>esent.html
>
>Thanks
>Vincent Chong
>CCxx
>
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RE: 3000 ROUTER pitfalls

2000-08-27 Thread rtc


  NO OSPF or BGP!!on 11.2 with necessary RAM.
  be judiciou. Get 2521's!!

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Re: CCNP is easy to achieved now!

2000-08-27 Thread GNOME

Wondering if Cisco is earning big bucks since so many ppl are taking CCNA,
CCDA, CCNP & CCDP!
image how much one have to pay for 1 exam :(

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> To all CCNP;
>
> Currently, CCNP is just easy to achieved.  The passing score is
too
> low.
> I thought that the passing score should set as least 750.  Otherwise the
> exam is too easy.
> After a year or 2,  CCNP will flood the market.  May be Cisco want
> CCNP be popular.
>
> CCIE is definitely harder to achieve than ever.   I talked to my
> friend, CCIE , some CCIE
> candidate.  May be cisco want to control the no. of CCIE.
>
> Thanks
> Vincent
>
>
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multicast address

2000-08-27 Thread Subramanian Nallasivam

Hi,

   Can somebody explain me how to convert an multicast IP address
for e.g (224.0.0.6) into multicast mac address.

TIA,
-Subbi.


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Re: Help reqd !! Appearing for CCNA 2.0 exams

2000-08-27 Thread GNOME

i have taken the test but there is no ATM appear in my test

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> I am appearing for CCNA 2.0 examination on 30th August.
> I have ICND book from Cisco press but is any extra reading required or any
extra topics not covered in the ICND course book .
> Also in Exam outline and Preparation guide on the Cisco site states that
ATM is also included . Are there any questions asked on ATM if yes then
where can I find appropriate material on ATM
> Also if somebody can guide on what sort of questions are asked the most or
what topics are more critical and more tricky questions are asked
>
> Please help me out on the above mentioned issues.
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Re: ip classless ?

2000-08-27 Thread GNOME

yes

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>
> Anyone knows why when we use RIP or IGRP routing protocols and we have a
> default network command entered , we need to include ip classless?
>
> Any form of input will be greatly appreciated
>
>
> thanks
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>
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Re: CCNP is easy to achieved now!

2000-08-27 Thread wind

I have my ccnp already,  finished every exam in 45 minus.
What do you think?


"GNOME" ¼¶¼g©ó¤å³¹ <8oaqso$vfa$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Wondering if Cisco is earning big bucks since so many ppl are taking CCNA,
>CCDA, CCNP & CCDP!
>image how much one have to pay for 1 exam :(
>
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>> To all CCNP;
>>
>> Currently, CCNP is just easy to achieved.  The passing score is
>too
>> low.
>> I thought that the passing score should set as least 750.  Otherwise the
>> exam is too easy.
>> After a year or 2,  CCNP will flood the market.  May be Cisco
want
>> CCNP be popular.
>>
>> CCIE is definitely harder to achieve than ever.   I talked to my
>> friend, CCIE , some CCIE
>> candidate.  May be cisco want to control the no. of CCIE.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Vincent
>>
>>
>>
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MRTG for RedHat Server??

2000-08-27 Thread GNOME

Hi
i am wondering if MRTG can be set up to monitor redhat server's CPU, memory,
I/O and disk sapce?
any advice or help is appreciated.

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Re: multicast address

2000-08-27 Thread wind

Please BCMSN from cisco press, it explain how to convert the address...

Subramanian Nallasivam ¼¶¼g©ó¤å³¹ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Hi,
>
>   Can somebody explain me how to convert an multicast IP address
>for e.g (224.0.0.6) into multicast mac address.
>
>TIA,
>-Subbi.
>
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9E1-570 Cisco Secure VPN - beta

2000-08-27 Thread Adam Obszynski


Is sombody know what will be covered in this exam ?

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Thanks for the memory

2000-08-27 Thread alex campbell

hello ppl,

I have just purchased a nice cheap cisco 2501 (woo-hoo), thing is, its only 
running ios 10.3 or something (doh).
if i want to expand the memory, it has about 2 meg or something feeble, what 
type do i need, dimms ? simms ?

any help much appreciated
alex


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Re: Two 3640

2000-08-27 Thread Kenneth

not a null cable. You need the 60-pin male DTE-DCE cable. Search for it at
Ebay and you'll find it.

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Hi,

Is anyone know how to connect two 3640. both routers is having 8 port
syn/asyn prots. and i want to do some lab testing but i dont know which
cable should i use. I know null modem will do the job but if someone send me
exact cable specification then i would be great.


AA



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Re: Net Gun Rant

2000-08-27 Thread Kenneth

For $35,000 you should have enough money to buy the routers. Plus, you'll
have it as long as you want instead of only having it for 10 weeks.

Also, in the US, it's US$35000 since I inquired about it 6 months ago.

""Albert"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
8oa66j$kms$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8oa66j$kms$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Dale,
>
> 35,000 in CAD $ means  about 22,500 US$.
> That is to take you from CCNA to CCIE.  with little experiences  That's 10
> courses plus 2 day Mock Lab.
>
> I had never taken their courses but I was seriously thinking about.  They
> are the only training school in my area (Vancouver) that seems to know
what
> they are doing.  Most only teach CCNA.
>
> I am also a self study advocate but you hit a point where it is best to go
> and take a class.  You sometime just cannot buy enough routers.
> I am planning to take their BGP class in November.
> Tony, is that class any good?
>
>
> Thanks
> Albert
>
>
> ""Dale Cantrell"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Excuse me...35 thousand dollars?
> > I'm biting my lip so hard, there are TWO vampires trying to get in my
> > window!
> >
> > One self study advocate.
> >
> > Original Message Follows
> > From: "Tony Medeiros" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Reply-To: "Tony Medeiros" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Marshal Schoener" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"'J K'"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: global knowledge NET GUN program
> > Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:37:17 -0700
> >
> > If you pay the full 35K for the netgun program,  Do it in Toronto
only!!!
> I
> > went though the program and was not that impressed till I went to
Toronto
> > for a couple of extra classes.  The instructors at
globalknowlege/geotrain
> > in Toronto are the BEST
> > Tony Medeiros
> > (2 days till crash and burn in San Jose)
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Marshal Schoener" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "'J K'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 6:54 AM
> > Subject: RE: global knowledge NET GUN program
> >
> >
> >  > I'm taking the Global Knowledge BSCN 5 day training in a few weeks!
> >  > I hope it's good!!!  It sounds like it goes into great detail :-)
> >  >
> >  > -Original Message-
> >  > From: J K [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >  > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 6:34 AM
> >  > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >  > Subject: global knowledge NET GUN program
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > Does anyone have any comments about these programs before i put money
> > into
> >  > them . I want to take their Net GUN program and anew1 , anew2 and
abgp
> >  > classes . I appreciate any comments
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > JK
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Re: dividing up the same subnet on 2 diff segments

2000-08-27 Thread Brian

On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, cisco_ccna wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> you need use the command of "no auto-summary", to let router support the
> VLSM.

i really don't think thats going to matter in this particular case.  The
routers both are using a /25 mask and will apply that to routes
learned.  If the route gets summarized, its still not a problem, since the
network is flat... 

> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> >  Hi
> > 
> >   I have a question? I have two routers okay and I have routing turned on
> > both of them (EIGRP). lets say I want to use 10.1.1.0 and I want to be able
> > to to split this subnet into two networks, I know you can use IP subnet-zero
> > to do this, but I want to address the first router E0 Interface with 10.1.1.1
> > to 10.1.1.126 and the second router E0 with the second half 10.1.1.127 to
> > 10.1.1.254 ok. Now I want to be able to ping each others gateway.
> > 
> > Can I or should I be able to ping each others gateway and have one flat
> > segment between 2 router Ethernet segment. Do I need to bridge this? these
> > two segments together.
> > 
> > Brian
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Urgent advice needed on best ISDN Solution -help needed

2000-08-27 Thread Shane Stockman

I want to connect users from a small business to the internet via a proxy 
server and cisco 1601 with IP Plus IOS . There will also be a remote user 
with an ISDN line and a Cisco 801 will be dialing into the company and 
another user that will be coming in via a modem.
Both remote users will be needing access to a server.

I will be using access-lists on the 1601 and NAT ( for the users in the 
company getting out to the internet ).The ISP will issue addresses for the 
routers.

I need suggestions and other ideas on how to make this work.I f there is any 
other routers that will do the job let me know.

There will be appoximately 10-15 people that is in the company that will be 
using 2xISDN links for Internet access.

I could use a 1700 router for the company.

Could someone please advise on the best method and most cost effective way 
for doing this.Any input is appreciated as this is the first time I am doing 
this.


Thanks in advance

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Re: Have 4 IP's, two feeds, one hub, what next?

2000-08-27 Thread Brian


You are going to be very limited in what you can do with this
scenerio.  You aren't going to be running any IGP/EGP's with the
providers.  You can't route between the providers since they won't allow
addresses from one network to transit the other.  You can't do any kind of
load balancing since your source ip will be different for each
packet/session.  You could maybe setup nat, and work some failover
scenerios with static routes and the like though.

On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, Sammi wrote:

> Ok, I was drawn out in another thread so I'll pop a question while I'm
> delurked.
> I currently have cable internet access, scheduled to have DSL added in
> a couple weeks. So I will have two feeds and 4 IP's.
> I have 5 PCs and one NT server currently up and running.
> One Bay Networks Baystack 101 12 port 10BaseT hub. I believe it will
> support segmenting.
> My question; what sort of design should I attempt here for learning
> purposes? I'd like to pick up some routers, perhaps one every two
> months on my budget, figuring probably three will be needed? 25xx
> series?
> I'm really just thrashing, trying to figure out what it is I should
> build. Perhaps I should begin studies for CCDA and in the course of my
> studies the solution will come?
> Any comments, suggestions, etc. always appreciated.
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RE: NO. of CCIE

2000-08-27 Thread Brian

On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, Gavin Payne wrote:

> Thats the number of CCIE's with specialisations.  Apparently there are over
> 30,000 normal CCIEs

umm, no.  When have you ever seen a CCIE with a number like "CCIE #28382"

> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > wind
> > Sent: 27 August 2000 08:46
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: NO. of CCIE
> >
> >
> > Hi;
> >
> > I checked with Cisco web site, they indicated that
> > the no. of CCIE
> > is just 4996.
> > As of July 31, 2000.
> >
> > http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ccie_program/ccie_pr
> esent.html
> 
> Thanks
> Vincent Chong
> CCxx
> 
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Re: MRTG for RedHat Server??

2000-08-27 Thread Brian


it can do all of that.  look in the contrib directory that comes with
mrtg.


On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, GNOME wrote:

> Hi
> i am wondering if MRTG can be set up to monitor redhat server's CPU, memory,
> I/O and disk sapce?
> any advice or help is appreciated.
> 
> Email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> Regards
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Re: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed!

2000-08-27 Thread Nigel Taylor

Hey,
I don't suppose anyone is planning on going to take the
lab anticipating that they
become a *CCIE* by merely how well they complete the survey...

OOPS..!!   No, survey..  When taking the lab..  Does any of our
resident(studygroup) CCIE's
care to comment.

Enough already..
Nigel


- Original Message -
From: Chuck Larrieu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; shanseverijn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 6:40 AM
Subject: RE: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed!


> Let's see I answered the quiz at the beginning of the CID exam, and
> failed. I went home, studied those parts where my scores were very low,
came
> back a week later, answered the survey the same way, and passed with miles
> to spare. Yeah, I guess Cisco was gunning for me the first time, and
somehow
> they failed to notice second time.
>
> Hey gang, it ain't the survey.
>
> Chuck
> Snapping my fingers to keep the elephants away. It must work because there
> aren't any elephant around these parts.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> Brian
> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 8:43 PM
> To: shanseverijn
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Exam 350-001,  I'm so pissed!
>
>
> shannon,
>
> you bring up a good point.  All the cisco tests make you take the
> questionairre in the beginning (as you of course know), and a disclaimer
> says that your final score will depend on how you answer that
> questionaire.  I am curious to as to what effect the questionaire has on
> the actual score and how it is calculated.
>
> On Sat, 26 Aug 2000, shanseverijn wrote:
>
> > I just want to say for the record that this exam is a bunch of   B.S.
All
> > you tell you why.  I took this test like a cuople weeks after I finished
> my
> > CCNP/CCDP just to see where I stand and what I need to hit for this
thing.
> > Let me say that the CCIE exam 350-001 is highly overraded.  So I scored
a
> > modest 60% the first time.  Not bad for not really studying and just
going
> > off of experience and Theory.  The problem I have is after studying for
> what
> > I needed and knowing that I was going to tear this test a new A-hole I
> went
> > in took  the test and did everything the same except in the questionaire
> > that I filled out I marked that I was proficient in alot more areas than
I
> > did the first time.  The result well after blazing through the test in
an
> > hour and feeling DAMN confident that I got at least a 90% on the sucker
I
> > ended up getting a 58%.  I WAS LIVID  I was like what the hell???  I
> got
> > ROBBED!!!  I only missed honestly like 5 questions.  I can recite the
> whole
> > damn test in my sleep!  I don't understand!  I am so dman fustrated I
> can't
> > even see straight.  Why am I writing this?  Well I want to know do they
> > gauge or do anything weird with what you mark for what are you are
> > proficient in, in the questionnaire in the beginning of the test
Like
> > weighingthe questions differently the second time around or something
> weird
> > like that...
> >
> > Somebody tell me
> > PS.  The Exam Cram for the exam is excellent as usual.
> >
> > --
> > Shannon Severijn
> > CCNP, CCDP, MCSE
> > Snot-Nosed Gen. X Punk Kid... (Cisco Mercenary)
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Thanks for the memory

2000-08-27 Thread Brian

On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, alex campbell wrote:

> hello ppl,
> 
> I have just purchased a nice cheap cisco 2501 (woo-hoo), thing is, its only 
> running ios 10.3 or something (doh).
> if i want to expand the memory, it has about 2 meg or something feeble, what 
> type do i need, dimms ? simms ?

simms, with parity

> 
> any help much appreciated
> alex
> 
> 
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Re: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed!

2000-08-27 Thread Brian


I agree that hard work and studying is the only way to truley accomplish
certification and be worth your weight.  I do want to re-iterate though
that the questionairre does in fact play a part in scoring your test, and
if nothing else, you should answer it honestly (in other words, don't get
saying you have advanced experience in every single subject, and are a
jedi knight of the internet then expect an easy scoring).

some people may not pay attention to the questionairre and pencil wip it,
which may prove to be a bad idea.

I feel "exam crams" should only be used for those who already have a solid
foundation of the subject at hand, and just need to be refreshed as to
what topics and key items may be on the test.  

Personally i think ciscopress books are among the best for any of these
tests, but they are avoided often because they go very much in depth and
can be quite long (usually 600-800 pages).  People get turned off, and
they go an easier route.  Don't get me wrong, alot of other companies make
great booksall I am saying is reading a "routing exam
cram" that is 150-200 pages, vs. Routing TCP/IP which is 800
pages..something gets lost there, and it may prove to be
essential information down the road.

Brian


On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, Nigel Taylor wrote:

> Hey,
> I don't suppose anyone is planning on going to take the
> lab anticipating that they
> become a *CCIE* by merely how well they complete the survey...
> 
> OOPS..!!   No, survey..  When taking the lab..  Does any of our
> resident(studygroup) CCIE's
> care to comment.
> 
> Enough already..
> Nigel
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Chuck Larrieu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; shanseverijn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 6:40 AM
> Subject: RE: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed!
> 
> 
> > Let's see I answered the quiz at the beginning of the CID exam, and
> > failed. I went home, studied those parts where my scores were very low,
> came
> > back a week later, answered the survey the same way, and passed with miles
> > to spare. Yeah, I guess Cisco was gunning for me the first time, and
> somehow
> > they failed to notice second time.
> >
> > Hey gang, it ain't the survey.
> >
> > Chuck
> > Snapping my fingers to keep the elephants away. It must work because there
> > aren't any elephant around these parts.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> > Brian
> > Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 8:43 PM
> > To: shanseverijn
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Exam 350-001,  I'm so pissed!
> >
> >
> > shannon,
> >
> > you bring up a good point.  All the cisco tests make you take the
> > questionairre in the beginning (as you of course know), and a disclaimer
> > says that your final score will depend on how you answer that
> > questionaire.  I am curious to as to what effect the questionaire has on
> > the actual score and how it is calculated.
> >
> > On Sat, 26 Aug 2000, shanseverijn wrote:
> >
> > > I just want to say for the record that this exam is a bunch of   B.S.
> All
> > > you tell you why.  I took this test like a cuople weeks after I finished
> > my
> > > CCNP/CCDP just to see where I stand and what I need to hit for this
> thing.
> > > Let me say that the CCIE exam 350-001 is highly overraded.  So I scored
> a
> > > modest 60% the first time.  Not bad for not really studying and just
> going
> > > off of experience and Theory.  The problem I have is after studying for
> > what
> > > I needed and knowing that I was going to tear this test a new A-hole I
> > went
> > > in took  the test and did everything the same except in the questionaire
> > > that I filled out I marked that I was proficient in alot more areas than
> I
> > > did the first time.  The result well after blazing through the test in
> an
> > > hour and feeling DAMN confident that I got at least a 90% on the sucker
> I
> > > ended up getting a 58%.  I WAS LIVID  I was like what the hell???  I
> > got
> > > ROBBED!!!  I only missed honestly like 5 questions.  I can recite the
> > whole
> > > damn test in my sleep!  I don't understand!  I am so dman fustrated I
> > can't
> > > even see straight.  Why am I writing this?  Well I want to know do they
> > > gauge or do anything weird with what you mark for what are you are
> > > proficient in, in the questionnaire in the beginning of the test
> Like
> > > weighingthe questions differently the second time around or something
> > weird
> > > like that...
> > >
> > > Somebody tell me
> > > PS.  The Exam Cram for the exam is excellent as usual.
> > >
> > > --
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> > > CCNP, CCDP, MCSE
> > > Snot-Nosed Gen. X Punk Kid... (Cisco Mercenary)
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Router Hookup

2000-08-27 Thread daeola

Hello Everyone,

1.)   Could someone please advise me on the sort of routers suitable
for a home lab on a student budget.  Basically, the routers that
would give me enough confidence and experience to tackle most networking
jobs and pass all certifications up to ccnp and ccdp.
  After looking through cisco's sites, It's amazing how many
different routers are available.

and last but not least:

2.) Our home network is sited behind a firewall, would this be a
hindrance for the router or can I still perform all routing as usual.
Or Would a better option be getting a second IP number and putting my
network on a different subnet than my roommates?
Plus we are on a cable modem connection with dynamic IP, although it
doesn't change frequently..


Thanks Adedapo

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OT how to contact me oz

2000-08-27 Thread Oz

I just got nastygram kinda from someone who was annoyed that I had not
responded to their email
Well my inbox  gets around  250 email a day  and unless you put oz
somewhere in the subject my filter will miss it..
 As i am on vacation at the moment  I only  read from the filter folders  .
off to the beach now
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About ip helper-address

2000-08-27 Thread Sean Wu

I know this is for udp broadcast forward, but is there anyway to forward tcp
broadcast? If there is, what scenarios should we use tcp/udp broadcast
forward?
Thanks


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Re: NO. of CCIE

2000-08-27 Thread David Williams

The latest CCIE number was in the 6000s (I happen to know the guy); they
started with 1000-something or other. That puts the number of CCIEs at just
over 5000.

""wind"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> Hi;
>
> I checked with Cisco web site, they indicated that the no. of CCIE
> is just 4996.
> As of July 31, 2000.
>
> http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ccie_program/ccie_present.html
>
> Thanks
> Vincent Chong
> CCxx
>
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AGS or MGS flash

2000-08-27 Thread Scott Nelson

Can I run IOS from flash in AGS or MGS?

My AGS+ has 4Mb flash on the ENV card, can I use this for IOS images?

What IOS images will run on it if above is true?

Is it already being used for IOS and I just don't know it? 

Anyone running a version higher that what I have here for my AGS+?

Below is my AGS+ "show version" screen with my MGS sh ver after that:


AGS+#sh ver
Cisco Internetwork Operating System Software
IOS (tm) GS Software (GS3-K-M), Version 11.0(9.3), MAINTENANCE INTERIM
SOFTWARE
Copyright (c) 1986-1996 by cisco Systems, Inc.
Compiled Mon 01-Jul-96 20:30 by loreilly
Image text-base: 0x1000, data-base: 0x00579314

ROM: System Bootstrap, Version 11.0(9), SOFTWARE

Router uptime is 3 minutes
System restarted by power-on
Running default software

cisco CSC4 (68040) processor with 16384K bytes of memory.
Bridging software.
X.25 software, Version 2.0, NET2, BFE and GOSIP compliant.
1 MCI controller (2 Ethernet, 2 Serial).
1 cBus controller.
2 MEC controllers (12 Ethernet).
Environmental Controller.
14 Ethernet/IEEE 802.3 interfaces.
1 Token Ring/IEEE 802.5 interface.
1 FDDI network interface.
64K bytes of non-volatile configuration memory.
64K bytes of multibus memory.
4096K bytes of flash memory on MC+ card (via ENVM).

Configuration register is 0x101

AGS+#
AGS+#
AGS+#sh fl
4096K bytes of flash memory on MC+ card (via ENVM).
  Contains:
GK091120Z (1465364)
GS3BT919Z (450882)
 [2277866/4194304 bytes free/total]

AGS+#


MGS#sh ver
GS Software (GS3-BFX), Version 9.0(1), SOFTWARE fc4
Copyright (c) 1986-1992 by cisco Systems, Inc.
Compiled Mon 11-May-92 12:13 by block

System Bootstrap, Version 4.5(1), SOFTWARE

Router uptime is 0 minutes
System restarted by power-on
Running default software

CSC4 (68040) processor with 16384K bytes of memory.
X.25 software.
Bridging software.
1 MCI controller (2 Ethernet, 2 Serial).
2 Ethernet/IEEE 802.3 interface.
2 Token Ring/IEEE 802.5 interface.
2 Serial network interface.
32K bytes of non-volatile configuration memory.
Configuration register is 0x101

MGS#sh fl

flash memory not found
MGS#



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Re: Router Hookup

2000-08-27 Thread Brian

On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, daeola wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
> 
> 1.)   Could someone please advise me on the sort of routers suitable
> for a home lab on a student budget.  Basically, the routers that
> would give me enough confidence and experience to tackle most networking
> jobs and pass all certifications up to ccnp and ccdp.
>   After looking through cisco's sites, It's amazing how many
> different routers are available.


don't think in terms of "routers"..instead think in terms of
"interfaces".  A cisco 4000 with 1e 2s, vs. a cisco 2501 with 1e
2sis really going to do the same for you.  So think about
interfaces/applications...some things you will want:

ethernet
token ring
fast ethernet (for ISL/dot1q vlans)
async (DDR/etc)
isdn (DDR/isdn)
sync (t1/Frame relay)

that should be fine.  ATM etc is not really needed and probably not within
your budget.  Good routers to look for:

Cisco 1000's (good for ethernet/isdn/serial/async)
Cisco 2500's (good for isdn/ethernet/serial/token ring)
Cisco 800's (good for isdn)

1600's seem to hold too much value, but don't rule them out.

4000's I feel are one of the best deals out there.  You can buy a chassis
for like $400 or so, and then a 2 port serial card is about $110, you can
buy what you need when you need it. 

FastEthernet can be "expensive" to get.  The 4000 has a FastEthernet
interface, as does the 3620.

A 3620 can make an interesting router.  You can put a 1fe2w giving you
fast ethernet and 2 WAN slots (isdn/serial), and you can put a 1e1tr2w in
another slot giving you ethernet/token ring/and 2 more wan slots.

just work it all behind your budget.

> 
> and last but not least:
> 
> 2.) Our home network is sited behind a firewall, would this be a
> hindrance for the router or can I still perform all routing as usual.
> Or Would a better option be getting a second IP number and putting my
> network on a different subnet than my roommates?
> Plus we are on a cable modem connection with dynamic IP, although it
> doesn't change frequently..

your lab doesn't need to be connected to a WAN at all...you can
build your own private network, which is probably best anyways.


> 
> 
> Thanks Adedapo
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Re: NO. of CCIE

2000-08-27 Thread Brian

On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, David Williams wrote:

> The latest CCIE number was in the 6000s (I happen to know the guy); they
> started with 1000-something or other. That puts the number of CCIEs at just
> over 5000.

depends if your talking number of CCIE's issued or number active.  Not all
CCIE's have kept up there recertification, and so the number may be
slightly lower (of active).  I think what cisco's site tracks is number of
active ccie's

> 
> ""wind"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> 8oah4f$f6v$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8oah4f$f6v$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Hi;
> >
> > I checked with Cisco web site, they indicated that the no. of CCIE
> > is just 4996.
> > As of July 31, 2000.
> >
> > http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ccie_program/ccie_present.html
> >
> > Thanks
> > Vincent Chong
> > CCxx
> >
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Re: OT how to contact me oz

2000-08-27 Thread Dale Cantrell

Oz, remember to move every now and then to keep those crustaceons from 
checking you outOuch! :>) Enjoy, we think you deserve it. When you get 
back, let us know how your CCDA lab is doing.
Dale

Original Message Follows
From: "Oz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Oz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: OT  how to contact me oz
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 09:22:24 -0400

I just got nastygram kinda from someone who was annoyed that I had not
responded to their email
Well my inbox  gets around  250 email a day  and unless you put oz
somewhere in the subject my filter will miss it..
  As i am on vacation at the moment  I only  read from the filter folders  .
off to the beach now
Oz
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Re: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed!

2000-08-27 Thread niallr

I have to agree with Chuck on this matter. The survey IS NOT / CAN'T BE an
influence on your score. The cisco exams are not even "adaptive" like the Novell
exams. The questions are pulled from a pool established by evaluating the beta
exam results and a certain number of questions are pulled for each subsection of
the exam. There really would be no point to making the exam difficulty relative to
survey responses. If Cisco did that, the exams would be WORTHLESS, allowing you to
sandbag them by answering that you are a complete novice. What is the CCIE written
supposed to do ? Fill out the survey that you have 2 weeks experience and it'll
give you CCNA-level questions instead of asking about obscure details of token
ring? The difficulty level of the exam is a constant, not a variable.

Niall

Brian wrote:

> I agree that hard work and studying is the only way to truley accomplish
> certification and be worth your weight.  I do want to re-iterate though
> that the questionairre does in fact play a part in scoring your test, and
> if nothing else, you should answer it honestly (in other words, don't get
> saying you have advanced experience in every single subject, and are a
> jedi knight of the internet then expect an easy scoring).
>
> some people may not pay attention to the questionairre and pencil wip it,
> which may prove to be a bad idea.
>
> I feel "exam crams" should only be used for those who already have a solid
> foundation of the subject at hand, and just need to be refreshed as to
> what topics and key items may be on the test.
>
> Personally i think ciscopress books are among the best for any of these
> tests, but they are avoided often because they go very much in depth and
> can be quite long (usually 600-800 pages).  People get turned off, and
> they go an easier route.  Don't get me wrong, alot of other companies make
> great booksall I am saying is reading a "routing exam
> cram" that is 150-200 pages, vs. Routing TCP/IP which is 800
> pages..something gets lost there, and it may prove to be
> essential information down the road.
>
> Brian
>
> On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, Nigel Taylor wrote:
>
> > Hey,
> > I don't suppose anyone is planning on going to take the
> > lab anticipating that they
> > become a *CCIE* by merely how well they complete the survey...
> >
> > OOPS..!!   No, survey..  When taking the lab..  Does any of our
> > resident(studygroup) CCIE's
> > care to comment.
> >
> > Enough already..
> > Nigel
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Chuck Larrieu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; shanseverijn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 6:40 AM
> > Subject: RE: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed!
> >
> >
> > > Let's see I answered the quiz at the beginning of the CID exam, and
> > > failed. I went home, studied those parts where my scores were very low,
> > came
> > > back a week later, answered the survey the same way, and passed with miles
> > > to spare. Yeah, I guess Cisco was gunning for me the first time, and
> > somehow
> > > they failed to notice second time.
> > >
> > > Hey gang, it ain't the survey.
> > >
> > > Chuck
> > > Snapping my fingers to keep the elephants away. It must work because there
> > > aren't any elephant around these parts.
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> > > Brian
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 8:43 PM
> > > To: shanseverijn
> > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: Exam 350-001,  I'm so pissed!
> > >
> > >
> > > shannon,
> > >
> > > you bring up a good point.  All the cisco tests make you take the
> > > questionairre in the beginning (as you of course know), and a disclaimer
> > > says that your final score will depend on how you answer that
> > > questionaire.  I am curious to as to what effect the questionaire has on
> > > the actual score and how it is calculated.
> > >
> > > On Sat, 26 Aug 2000, shanseverijn wrote:
> > >
> > > > I just want to say for the record that this exam is a bunch of   B.S.
> > All
> > > > you tell you why.  I took this test like a cuople weeks after I finished
> > > my
> > > > CCNP/CCDP just to see where I stand and what I need to hit for this
> > thing.
> > > > Let me say that the CCIE exam 350-001 is highly overraded.  So I scored
> > a
> > > > modest 60% the first time.  Not bad for not really studying and just
> > going
> > > > off of experience and Theory.  The problem I have is after studying for
> > > what
> > > > I needed and knowing that I was going to tear this test a new A-hole I
> > > went
> > > > in took  the test and did everything the same except in the questionaire
> > > > that I filled out I marked that I was proficient in alot more areas than
> > I
> > > > did the first time.  The result well after blazing through the test in
> > an
> > > > hour and feeling DAMN confident that I got at least a 90% on

Re: Router Hookup

2000-08-27 Thread Scott Nelson



> 4000's I feel are one of the best deals out there.  You can buy a chassis
> for like $400 or so, and then a 2 port serial card is about $110, you can
> buy what you need when you need it.
>
> FastEthernet can be "expensive" to get.  The 4000 has a FastEthernet
> interface, as does the 3620.

The 4000 chassis doesn't support the FE interface, only the 4500 or 4700
processor can't handle it from what my take on it is anyway.
Never tried plugging one in just to see though. Only reason I can think of
you would need an FE for a lab, would be to do ISL or 802.1q trunking to a
switch though.


> A 3620 can make an interesting router.  You can put a 1fe2w giving you
> fast ethernet and 2 WAN slots (isdn/serial), and you can put a 1e1tr2w in
> another slot giving you ethernet/token ring/and 2 more wan slots.
>
> just work it all behind your budget.
>
>>
>> and last but not least:
>>
>> 2.) Our home network is sited behind a firewall, would this be a
>> hindrance for the router or can I still perform all routing as usual.
>> Or Would a better option be getting a second IP number and putting my
>> network on a different subnet than my roommates?
>> Plus we are on a cable modem connection with dynamic IP, although it
>> doesn't change frequently..
>
> your lab doesn't need to be connected to a WAN at all...you can
> build your own private network, which is probably best anyways.

-->I agree with this statement. Use RFC 1918 addresses also. I had someone
that had a lab at home and they had a cable"modem", which is actually a
bridge, that raised havoc with the cable head-end routers when they started
messing around with OSPF and BGP route redist and using their own IP address
at the house.
Only time I hooked my lab up to my leased line was to mess with NAT/PAT
stuff, then it came right back off. If I crash my test network, it's not as
big of a deal then if the production network gets hosed.

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Re: Have 4 IP's, two feeds, one hub, what next?

2000-08-27 Thread Adrian Chew

Try this scenario...

Use each feed to simulate a small business site - with NAT for multiple IP
hosts behind the feed.  Get another NT server up...  put one per site.  Get
the two sites connected via IPSEC/VPN.  Do this for practice:-

1) IPSEC/VPN without tunnel interfaces
2) IPSEC/VPN with tunnel interfaces (route IP, IPX, bridge NetBEUI)
3) Assume one of the sites has used REAL IP address space that they don't
own, thus you have a more complicated NAT scenario
4) Run some services like a Web server on each NT server, that should be
accessible for the Internet
5) Configure IOS Firewall feature set to protect each site

With this sort of scenario, you'll need routers with a minimum of 2 LAN
interfaces (1 to connect to the DSL/cable modem and the other to connect to
each site's LAN).  Segment your hub into 2 segments.  The 1605R, 2514, 2611
are among the choices you could look out for (there might be a 3000 series
older router that could work too - but I'm not sure of specifics and how
much of the newer features work on those).  Note, make sure you get static
IPs with both your lines - DHCP will make the IPSEC/VPNs tough to do, and
client-side PPPoE just simply isn't supported yet.

Regards,
Adrian

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> Ok, I was drawn out in another thread so I'll pop a question while I'm
> delurked.
> I currently have cable internet access, scheduled to have DSL added in
> a couple weeks. So I will have two feeds and 4 IP's.
> I have 5 PCs and one NT server currently up and running.
> One Bay Networks Baystack 101 12 port 10BaseT hub. I believe it will
> support segmenting.
> My question; what sort of design should I attempt here for learning
> purposes? I'd like to pick up some routers, perhaps one every two
> months on my budget, figuring probably three will be needed? 25xx
> series?
> I'm really just thrashing, trying to figure out what it is I should
> build. Perhaps I should begin studies for CCDA and in the course of my
> studies the solution will come?
> Any comments, suggestions, etc. always appreciated.
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Excessive Collisions

2000-08-27 Thread IST . EPNL-CT-PPC-DAT

Hi Group,

A client's LAN was implemented with a stack of three Cabletron hubs and
the Ethernet interface of a Cisco 2522 router has three secondary 
addresses in addition to the primary. There are two Windows NT servers
and about thirty workstations.

The problem is that we've been having a lot of excessive collisions on
the Ethernet interface and therefore have decided to introduce CAT 5002
switch in to the LAN. 

How best can we modify the LAN with the hubs and the switch to reduce
the collisions? Any opinion is welcome. 

Regards,

Stanny.

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RE: Higher than CCIE...

2000-08-27 Thread Mark Zabludovsky

I didn't say that it would necessarily solve any problems. I was just saying
that it could give somebody who thinks that they have reached the top
another goal to try to excel to. Plus, who wouldn't want a cert recognising
the fact that they have mastered all of the cisco certs...big and small. I'm
just trying to get others ideas on this. I'm not trying to solve a problem
because I don't see any. Thanks,

--Original Message--
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Generation Cisco
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: August 27, 2000 7:05:39 AM GMT
Subject: RE: Higher than CCIE...


And exactly what problem would this solve?

-Original Message-
From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Saturday, August 26, 2000 11:56 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Higher than CCIE...

Hey Group,
I was pondering this thought. If the rate of CCIE's is rising at a fast
pace than I think it would be cool if Cisco created a new cert. The way to
obtain this one would be to pass all three CCIE tests. From what I know
there is only one person in the world who has all three... I think his name
is Brendan Ta or something. They could name the cert: CCID (Cisco certified
internetwork director), or something like (and this is my favorite): CCIG
(Cisco certified internetwork guru) :)  Don't think they would use that one
though, :)  This type of cert would, in my eyes, deem you as a true master
of the matrix, if you know what I mean...just a though. Maybe we can get
some good responses on this one...Have a good one group.

P.S. I would like if Priscilla O. and Todd L. could also comment on this
topic...thanks.  :)

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TCL and Expect scripts to send configuration commands.

2000-08-27 Thread Santha Rami Reddy Y

Hi all,
   I would like to configure the router commands from my P.C; using TCL and 
Expect scripts. Is there any place(web sight) where I can get these 
scripts.

Thanks for any kind of information.
Santha Ram.
Lead Engineer(Technical)
Future Software Technologies,
Chennai, India.

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Re: About ip helper-address

2000-08-27 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

>I know this is for udp broadcast forward, but is there anyway to forward tcp
>broadcast? If there is, what scenarios should we use tcp/udp broadcast
>forward?
>Thanks
>
>
What have you seen that produces TCP broadcasts?

As a study question, why would it be unlikely to have a broadcast 
mechanism based on TCP?

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Re: Router Hookup

2000-08-27 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

>On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, daeola wrote:
>
>  > Hello Everyone,
>  >
>  > 1.)   Could someone please advise me on the sort of routers suitable
>  > for a home lab on a student budget.  Basically, the routers that
>  > would give me enough confidence and experience to tackle most networking
>  > jobs and pass all certifications up to ccnp and ccdp.
>  >   After looking through cisco's sites, It's amazing how many
>  > different routers are available.
>
>
>don't think in terms of "routers"..instead think in terms of
>"interfaces".  A cisco 4000 with 1e 2s, vs. a cisco 2501 with 1e
>2sis really going to do the same for you.  So think about
>interfaces/applications...some things you will want:
>
>ethernet
>token ring
>fast ethernet (for ISL/dot1q vlans)
>async (DDR/etc)
>isdn (DDR/isdn)
>sync (t1/Frame relay)
>
>that should be fine.  ATM etc is not really needed and probably not within
>your budget.  Good routers to look for:


Good advice.  Still, also be aware of software restrictions, such as 
the ability to have only one BGP process per BGP router.  It's 
extremely difficult to see some of the more complex BGP operations, 
such as AS path filtering or confederations, without 4-5 routers as a 
minimum.  In fact, the number of routers in the CCIE lab limits the 
sort of BGP configurations you can have.

>
>1600's seem to hold too much value, but don't rule them out.
>
>4000's I feel are one of the best deals out there.  You can buy a chassis
>for like $400 or so, and then a 2 port serial card is about $110, you can
>buy what you need when you need it.

Having worked with traveling training labs, 4000's also are very 
rugged.  The only real disadvantage of the 4000 proper, as opposed to 
the 4500/4700, is the lack of FastEthernet.

>
>FastEthernet can be "expensive" to get.  The 4000 has a FastEthernet
>interface, as does the 3620.
>
>A 3620 can make an interesting router.  You can put a 1fe2w giving you
>fast ethernet and 2 WAN slots (isdn/serial), and you can put a 1e1tr2w in
>another slot giving you ethernet/token ring/and 2 more wan slots.
>
>just work it all behind your budget.

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RE: Higher than CCIE...

2000-08-27 Thread Chuck Larrieu


The title should be more like Elevated Cisco Internetworking Deity,  ( El
CID )


One Certification to rule them all
One Certification to find them
One Certification to bring them all
And in the Networks bind them
In the Land Of Cisco, where the Routers lie



-Original Message-
From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Saturday, August 26, 2000 11:56 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Higher than CCIE...

Hey Group,
I was pondering this thought. If the rate of CCIE's is rising at a fast
pace than I think it would be cool if Cisco created a new cert. The way to
obtain this one would be to pass all three CCIE tests. From what I know
there is only one person in the world who has all three... I think his name
is Brendan Ta or something. They could name the cert: CCID (Cisco certified
internetwork director), or something like (and this is my favorite): CCIG
(Cisco certified internetwork guru) :)  Don't think they would use that one
though, :)  This type of cert would, in my eyes, deem you as a true master
of the matrix, if you know what I mean...just a though. Maybe we can get
some good responses on this one...Have a good one group.

P.S. I would like if Priscilla O. and Todd L. could also comment on this
topic...thanks.  :)

Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA, CCDA
E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
~Internetwork Essentials~
"Complete Solutions for Complex Networks"


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(BCRAN) Last minute Suggestions

2000-08-27 Thread NRS Hariharan

Hi all,
   Iam taking my BCRAN next week and if anyone is willing to give some
last minute advice...it would be helpful for me.

Thanks in advance

hari


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RE: Excessive Collisions

2000-08-27 Thread IST . EPNL-CT-PPC-DAT

Three secondarys because we use VLSM in an OSPF environment of small
subnets. 

The router has only a link with the internal WAN. It is the only
interface between the LAN and the rest of the corporate network.

Thanks for your suggestion.

Stanny.  

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No Subject

2000-08-27 Thread king Net

Any group outside the list who want to study together in the Tristate area 
let me know.

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RE: Higher than CCIE...

2000-08-27 Thread Check your mail!

Do you think Cisco is the only certification out their? Come on all, look at
the big picture and stop worshiping these CCIE types.

Rob

>  -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 10:56 AM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  RE: Higher than CCIE...
> 
> 
> The title should be more like Elevated Cisco Internetworking Deity,  ( El
> CID )
> 
> 
> One Certification to rule them all
> One Certification to find them
> One Certification to bring them all
> And in the Networks bind them
> In the Land Of Cisco, where the Routers lie
> 
> 
> 
>   -Original Message-
>   From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>   Sent:   Saturday, August 26, 2000 11:56 PM
>   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   Subject:Higher than CCIE...
> 
>   Hey Group,
>   I was pondering this thought. If the rate of CCIE's
> is rising at a fast pace than I think it would be cool if Cisco created a
> new cert. The way to obtain this one would be to pass all three CCIE
> tests. From what I know there is only one person in the world who has all
> three... I think his name is Brendan Ta or something. They could name the
> cert: CCID (Cisco certified internetwork director), or something like (and
> this is my favorite): CCIG (Cisco certified internetwork guru) :)  Don't
> think they would use that one though, :)  This type of cert would, in my
> eyes, deem you as a true master of the matrix, if you know what I
> mean...just a though. Maybe we can get some good responses on this
> one...Have a good one group. 
> 
>   P.S. I would like if Priscilla O. and Todd L. could also
> comment on this topic...thanks.  :)
> 
>   Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA, CCDA
>   E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   ~Internetwork Essentials~
>   "Complete Solutions for Complex Networks"
> 

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Re: About ip helper-address

2000-08-27 Thread Sean Wu

Actually, that was my questions too. I am not sure if all broadcast are
based on udp instead of TCP, like all multicast are based on udp to avoice
unnecessary retransmission. Maybe broadcast is the same case. Is my
understanding correct?

Cisco has a "ip forward-protocol dns", is it true that it is designed for
diskless workstation, say the DNS server ip add is not configured and need
broadcast dns query request? I think normally DNS ip address is already
pre-configured, so the DNS query should be a unicast instead of broadcast.



""Howard C. Berkowitz"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:v04220870b5ceea79b3db@[63.216.127.98]...
> >I know this is for udp broadcast forward, but is there anyway to forward
tcp
> >broadcast? If there is, what scenarios should we use tcp/udp broadcast
> >forward?
> >Thanks
> >
> >
> What have you seen that produces TCP broadcasts?
>
> As a study question, why would it be unlikely to have a broadcast
> mechanism based on TCP?
>
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RE: CCNP is easy to achieved now!

2000-08-27 Thread McCallum, Robert

Its not very often that I get annoyed at anyone or indeed bite so easily
BUT.  There are plenty people on this list who are striving at their limits
to get to CCNA /CCNP level.  I am pretty sure that they do not need someone
like yourself come here to brag how good you are and how easy you find
things.  I will look for your name in future to see how many questions you
answer.  Since you find everything so easy then I am sure that you will
answer loads of peoples questions.

Are you full of wind wind.

Robert McCallum.  

I apologise in advance for this flame to every person on this list but I
feel that this has to be said.

-Original Message-
From: wind [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 27 August 2000 11:46
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: CCNP is easy to achieved now!


I have my ccnp already,  finished every exam in 45 minus.
What do you think?


"GNOME" ¼¶¼g©ó¤å³¹ <8oaqso$vfa$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Wondering if Cisco is earning big bucks since so many ppl are taking CCNA,
>CCDA, CCNP & CCDP!
>image how much one have to pay for 1 exam :(
>
>"wind" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>8oa77l$nfe$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8oa77l$nfe$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> To all CCNP;
>>
>> Currently, CCNP is just easy to achieved.  The passing score is
>too
>> low.
>> I thought that the passing score should set as least 750.  Otherwise the
>> exam is too easy.
>> After a year or 2,  CCNP will flood the market.  May be Cisco
want
>> CCNP be popular.
>>
>> CCIE is definitely harder to achieve than ever.   I talked to my
>> friend, CCIE , some CCIE
>> candidate.  May be cisco want to control the no. of CCIE.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Vincent
>>
>>
>>
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Re: TCL and Expect scripts to send configuration commands.

2000-08-27 Thread Sean Wu

Expect script is pretty straighforward and easy to use
if you install expect package yourself, it comes with many good examples,
and they should be enough for you to start using expect/send sequences,

"Santha Rami Reddy Y" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi all,
>I would like to configure the router commands from my P.C; using TCL
and
> Expect scripts. Is there any place(web sight) where I can get these
> scripts.
>
> Thanks for any kind of information.
> Santha Ram.
> Lead Engineer(Technical)
> Future Software Technologies,
> Chennai, India.
>
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Re: Higher than CCIE...

2000-08-27 Thread Bradley J. Wilson

The Cisco CCIE is arguably the most difficult certification to attain in the
Data/Telecom industry.  No, it is not the only certification out there, and
I don't plan on stopping my pursuit of further certifications once I attain
the CCIE, but those who have attained CCIE status deserve recognition.

Sincerely,

Bradley J. Wilson
CCNA, CCDA, CCSE, MCT, CTT


- Original Message -
From: Check your mail!
To: Chuck Larrieu ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 12:45 PM
Subject: RE: Higher than CCIE...


Do you think Cisco is the only certification out their? Come on all, look at
the big picture and stop worshiping these CCIE types.

Rob

>  -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 10:56 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Higher than CCIE...
>
>
> The title should be more like Elevated Cisco Internetworking Deity,  ( El
> CID )
>
>
> One Certification to rule them all
> One Certification to find them
> One Certification to bring them all
> And in the Networks bind them
> In the Land Of Cisco, where the Routers lie
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 11:56 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Higher than CCIE...
>
> Hey Group,
> I was pondering this thought. If the rate of CCIE's
> is rising at a fast pace than I think it would be cool if Cisco created a
> new cert. The way to obtain this one would be to pass all three CCIE
> tests. From what I know there is only one person in the world who has all
> three... I think his name is Brendan Ta or something. They could name the
> cert: CCID (Cisco certified internetwork director), or something like (and
> this is my favorite): CCIG (Cisco certified internetwork guru) :)  Don't
> think they would use that one though, :)  This type of cert would, in my
> eyes, deem you as a true master of the matrix, if you know what I
> mean...just a though. Maybe we can get some good responses on this
> one...Have a good one group.
>
> P.S. I would like if Priscilla O. and Todd L. could also
> comment on this topic...thanks.  :)
>
> Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA, CCDA
> E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ~Internetwork Essentials~
> "Complete Solutions for Complex Networks"
>

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CCIE WRITTEN

2000-08-27 Thread McCallum, Robert

Hi,

I got this email through the other day.  Any one else received it or indeed
tried it out?

Cheers

begin

http://www.cciewritten.bigstep.com/

The collection of material is only $49.95 and is delivered to your e-mail
account 
within 24 hrs of your payment! Wow! Order now and don't delay! If you are
not 
100% satisfied (and do not pass the CCIE written exam), we will return your
entire 
payment!

Also, after your initial purchase, you will receive FREE updates for the 
lifetime of this product when available!!! 



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Re: Router will not save config

2000-08-27 Thread Atif Awan

change the config register calue back to 0x2102 in the global configuration
mode using the command :

Router(config)# config-register 0x2102

Regards
Atif

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Subject: Router will not save config


>Ok, I have ran the Cisco password recovery procedures and now the router
>keeps coming up in the initial configuration dialog.  The routers will not
>save the config.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  They are IGS
>Systems with  Bootstrap, Version 4.6(6), SOFTWARE Copyright (c) 1986-1993
by
>Cisco Systems
>IGS processor with 4096 Kbytes of memory.  Yes they are old but it is all I
>have right now.  Thanks in advance.
>
>Ken http://www.geocities.com/trexken_2000">Ken's Page
>
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Re: About ip helper-address

2000-08-27 Thread Atif Awan


I dont see any point in using broadcasts with TCP cuz u have a TCP
connection between two devices only ..

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Date: Sunday, August 27, 2000 10:10 PM
Subject: Re: About ip helper-address


>Actually, that was my questions too. I am not sure if all broadcast are
>based on udp instead of TCP, like all multicast are based on udp to avoice
>unnecessary retransmission. Maybe broadcast is the same case. Is my
>understanding correct?
>
>Cisco has a "ip forward-protocol dns", is it true that it is designed for
>diskless workstation, say the DNS server ip add is not configured and need
>broadcast dns query request? I think normally DNS ip address is already
>pre-configured, so the DNS query should be a unicast instead of broadcast.
>
>
>
>""Howard C. Berkowitz"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:v04220870b5ceea79b3db@[63.216.127.98]...
>> >I know this is for udp broadcast forward, but is there anyway to forward
>tcp
>> >broadcast? If there is, what scenarios should we use tcp/udp broadcast
>> >forward?
>> >Thanks
>> >
>> >
>> What have you seen that produces TCP broadcasts?
>>
>> As a study question, why would it be unlikely to have a broadcast
>> mechanism based on TCP?
>>
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Re: Higher than CCIE...

2000-08-27 Thread Atif Awan

they sure do deserve recognition . if we do not commend them now who will
commend us when e get our CCIE certification :-)



-Original Message-
From: Bradley J. Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sunday, August 27, 2000 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: Higher than CCIE...


>The Cisco CCIE is arguably the most difficult certification to attain in
the
>Data/Telecom industry.  No, it is not the only certification out there, and
>I don't plan on stopping my pursuit of further certifications once I attain
>the CCIE, but those who have attained CCIE status deserve recognition.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Bradley J. Wilson
>CCNA, CCDA, CCSE, MCT, CTT
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: Check your mail!
>To: Chuck Larrieu ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 12:45 PM
>Subject: RE: Higher than CCIE...
>
>
>Do you think Cisco is the only certification out their? Come on all, look
at
>the big picture and stop worshiping these CCIE types.
>
>Rob
>
>>  -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 10:56 AM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: RE: Higher than CCIE...
>>
>>
>> The title should be more like Elevated Cisco Internetworking Deity,  ( El
>> CID )
>>
>>
>> One Certification to rule them all
>> One Certification to find them
>> One Certification to bring them all
>> And in the Networks bind them
>> In the Land Of Cisco, where the Routers lie
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 11:56 PM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: Higher than CCIE...
>>
>> Hey Group,
>> I was pondering this thought. If the rate of CCIE's
>> is rising at a fast pace than I think it would be cool if Cisco created a
>> new cert. The way to obtain this one would be to pass all three CCIE
>> tests. From what I know there is only one person in the world who has all
>> three... I think his name is Brendan Ta or something. They could name the
>> cert: CCID (Cisco certified internetwork director), or something like
(and
>> this is my favorite): CCIG (Cisco certified internetwork guru) :)  Don't
>> think they would use that one though, :)  This type of cert would, in my
>> eyes, deem you as a true master of the matrix, if you know what I
>> mean...just a though. Maybe we can get some good responses on this
>> one...Have a good one group.
>>
>> P.S. I would like if Priscilla O. and Todd L. could also
>> comment on this topic...thanks.  :)
>>
>> Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA, CCDA
>> E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> ~Internetwork Essentials~
>> "Complete Solutions for Complex Networks"
>>
>
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Support 2.0

2000-08-27 Thread Brian

I am preparing for my final exam in the CCNP track Support 2.0. I am
wondering people who have done this exam which books do they recommend? I
have searched on Amazon and not too many books out yet. I also hear that the
1.0 exam is very close to 2.0




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RE: Router will not save config

2000-08-27 Thread Russ Kreigh

Ken,

It sounds like you changed the config-register to 0x2142 to change the
password, and now to allow the router to save a configuration you need to
change the config-register back to 0x2102.

Hope this helps

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RE: Higher than CCIE...

2000-08-27 Thread Markzab2000

Tell me a test in Networking that is harder and more respected than the CCIE and I 
will agree with you... Until then I think I'll stay away from Bay ;)

Mark Z.

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RE: About ip helper-address

2000-08-27 Thread Kane, Christopher A.

i'll take a stab at howard's question:

because of the reliability requirements placed by tcp ?

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Subject: Re: About ip helper-address


>I know this is for udp broadcast forward, but is there anyway to forward
tcp
>broadcast? If there is, what scenarios should we use tcp/udp broadcast
>forward?
>Thanks
>
>
What have you seen that produces TCP broadcasts?

As a study question, why would it be unlikely to have a broadcast 
mechanism based on TCP?

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RE: About ip helper-address

2000-08-27 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

>i'll take a stab at howard's question:
>
>because of the reliability requirements placed by tcp ?


You're on the right track.  What relationships and topologies do 
these requirements suggest between sender and receiver?

>
>-Original Message-
>From: Howard C. Berkowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 11:56 AM
>
>
>  >I know this is for udp broadcast forward, but is there anyway to forward
>tcp
>  >broadcast? If there is, what scenarios should we use tcp/udp broadcast
>  >forward?
>  >Thanks
>  >
>  >
>What have you seen that produces TCP broadcasts?
>
>As a study question, why would it be unlikely to have a broadcast
>mechanism based on TCP?

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RE: CCNP is easy to achieved now!

2000-08-27 Thread alex campbell

Vincent.

I think you have little, if any team player skills and you spend far too 
much time in front of books rather than talking to people and understanding 
the concept of teamwork. You could be a CCIZ for all I care, I would never 
employ you.


your arrogance is also fairly breathtaking in its idiocy.
you should also learn to speak english. Its 'easy to achieve'
Alex


>-Original Message-
>From: wind [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: 27 August 2000 11:46
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: CCNP is easy to achieved now!
>
>
>I have my ccnp already,  finished every exam in 45 minus.
>What do you think?
>
>
>"GNOME" ¼¶¼g©ó¤å³¹ <8oaqso$vfa$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >Wondering if Cisco is earning big bucks since so many ppl are taking 
>CCNA,
> >CCDA, CCNP & CCDP!
> >image how much one have to pay for 1 exam :(
> >
> >"wind" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> >> To all CCNP;
> >>
> >> Currently, CCNP is just easy to achieved.  The passing score is
> >too
> >> low.
> >> I thought that the passing score should set as least 750.  Otherwise 
>the
> >> exam is too easy.
> >> After a year or 2,  CCNP will flood the market.  May be Cisco
>want
> >> CCNP be popular.
> >>
> >> CCIE is definitely harder to achieve than ever.   I talked to 
>my
> >> friend, CCIE , some CCIE
> >> candidate.  May be cisco want to control the no. of CCIE.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Vincent
> >>
> >>
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Re: About ip helper-address

2000-08-27 Thread Erica L Johansson

On Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 01:04:52PM -0400 or thereabouts, Sean Wu wrote:
> Actually, that was my questions too. I am not sure if all broadcast are
> based on udp instead of TCP, like all multicast are based on udp to avoice
> unnecessary retransmission. Maybe broadcast is the same case. Is my
> understanding correct?
 
Broadcasts are connectionless, which classifies them as UDP.

> Cisco has a "ip forward-protocol dns", is it true that it is designed for
> diskless workstation, say the DNS server ip add is not configured and need
> broadcast dns query request? I think normally DNS ip address is already
> pre-configured, so the DNS query should be a unicast instead of broadcast.
 
If you have an ip helper-address defined, then essentially, the forward-protocol
is defined by default, as all broadcasts that come in that interface will be
sent to that address.  This means any dhcp, tftp, dns, netbios, etc broadcasts 
will be sent to the helper-address defined. 

That can end up being quite an amount of traffic depending upon the size of
your network.  The forward-protocol will also allow you to specify which 
protocols you do not want forwarded:

no ip forward-protocol udp netbios-ns  (port 137, netbios name service)

This will cut down on any unnecessary/unwanted traffic going out to the
specified helper-address.

Also, keep in mind when configuring what will be forwarded and what will
not be, that the ip helper-address is assigned to the interface, but the 
forward-protocol is a global configuration command.

Hope this helps,
Erica

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Network Engineer
Cablevision Systems Corporation
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Re: Router Hookup

2000-08-27 Thread John Hardman

See inline...

--
John Hardman, CCNP MCSE+I

"daeola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> Hello Everyone,
>
> 1.)   Could someone please advise me on the sort of routers suitable
> for a home lab on a student budget.  Basically, the routers that
> would give me enough confidence and experience to tackle most networking
> jobs and pass all certifications up to ccnp and ccdp.
>   After looking through cisco's sites, It's amazing how many
> different routers are available.

Brian is correct think in terms of interfaces and functionality. Get to know
the hardware, inside and out. A good example is there are a lot of people
that will recommend routers less than the 1600 series (i.e. 1000, 800, 700),
keep in mind that some of these routers do not even run IOS, most will not
run advanced routing (OSPF, BGP, EIGRP). Even the 1600 needs an advanced IOS
version to run OSPF. Personaly I have stayed away from anything less than a
2500. The SOHO ISDN routers are OK for doing DDR and other ISDN type labs,
but that is about all they are really useful for.

Keep in mind that if you were to setup a lab with everything that one could
expect to cover CCNP/CCIE level work, you would be spending 10's of
thousands of dollars for used equipment. So unless you have the money, and
can justify the expense, stay pretty basic.

Here is what I have and why...

1 - 2621: This is used (will be) for ISL/1.Q, NAT/PAT to the Internet,
ACL/IDS, ATM, and Voice.
1 - 2611: This is used for serial, ISDN and voice.
1 - 3102: Upgraded to act as 2500, serial/FR
2 - 2502: This is used for serial/FR, DSLw+, bridging
1 - 2504: This is used for ISDN, serial/FR, DSLw+, bridging
1 - 4500: This is used for FR switch, serial
1 - CS516: This is used for terminal access to everything else
1 - 1924-EN: Used for ISL/1.Q

With this set up there is quite a bit I can do, but there is still quite a
bit I would like to add, like a Cat 5000 with ISL and LANE, a ATM switch,
and get my VICs for 2600's. But I have been able to afford this, and have a
agreement with my employer that doubles my salary when I reach CCIE R/S, so
for me it is a very good investment.

> and last but not least:
>
> 2.) Our home network is sited behind a firewall, would this be a
> hindrance for the router or can I still perform all routing as usual.
> Or Would a better option be getting a second IP number and putting my
> network on a different subnet than my roommates?
> Plus we are on a cable modem connection with dynamic IP, although it
> doesn't change frequently..

Yes definately seperate yourself from them and the Internet. I have my lab
connected to the Internet via a cable modem, but I am VERY careful to keep
ACLs in place and never allow routing protocols to the Internet interface.
Thereby keeping everthing seperate.

HTH

>
>
> Thanks Adedapo
>
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Re: Thanks for the memory

2000-08-27 Thread John Hardman

Hi

There are two types of memory in a 2500 that you need to worry about.

1) Flash. 2500's have 2 slots for flash. Your best bet is to find 2 8MB
flash SIMMs. As if you are going to run more than IP, then most of the
images exceed 8MB. If you are going to only run IP and less than 12.1 images
then 2 4MB SIMMs (or 1 8MB) will do you.

Keep im mind if you have up to date boot PROMs in it, you can use just about
any flash from other cisco routers.

2) DRAM. These are just parity 72pin SIMMs, which you can get from the
Internet for about $50. 8MB is good for most things.

HTH
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> hello ppl,
>
> I have just purchased a nice cheap cisco 2501 (woo-hoo), thing is, its
only
> running ios 10.3 or something (doh).
> if i want to expand the memory, it has about 2 meg or something feeble,
what
> type do i need, dimms ? simms ?
>
> any help much appreciated
> alex
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RE: About ip helper-address

2000-08-27 Thread Kane, Christopher A.

syn, syn-ack and ack

anytime i see tcp i think of a one-to-one communication that must adhere to
the 3-way handshake. 

-Original Message-
From: Howard C. Berkowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 1:49 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: About ip helper-address


>i'll take a stab at howard's question:
>
>because of the reliability requirements placed by tcp ?


You're on the right track.  What relationships and topologies do 
these requirements suggest between sender and receiver?

>
>-Original Message-
>From: Howard C. Berkowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 11:56 AM
>
>
>  >I know this is for udp broadcast forward, but is there anyway to forward
>tcp
>  >broadcast? If there is, what scenarios should we use tcp/udp broadcast
>  >forward?
>  >Thanks
>  >
>  >
>What have you seen that produces TCP broadcasts?
>
>As a study question, why would it be unlikely to have a broadcast
>mechanism based on TCP?

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Re: NO. of CCIE

2000-08-27 Thread John Hardman

The first number was 1024 becasue the lab mega bytes! It's nice to see that
Cisco has a idea about a good joke!

--
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""David Williams"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> The latest CCIE number was in the 6000s (I happen to know the guy); they
> started with 1000-something or other. That puts the number of CCIEs at
just
> over 5000.
>
> ""wind"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > Hi;
> >
> > I checked with Cisco web site, they indicated that the no. of
CCIE
> > is just 4996.
> > As of July 31, 2000.
> >
> > http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ccie_program/ccie_present.html
> >
> > Thanks
> > Vincent Chong
> > CCxx
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Re: NO. of CCIE

2000-08-27 Thread Kevin Wigle

Apparently, 30,000 CCIEs don't exist (Except perhaps in the Matrix or maybe
the Nexus).

And just what specializations do CCIEs carry??

CCIE is CCIE.  No specialization in the CCIE track.  Only more CCIE titles
such as R&S, Design, ISP Dial, WAN Switching and SNA-IP.  Is title is a CCIE
not a CCIE plus another spec.

It never ceases to amaze how information is passed off without being
checked.  They might be 30,000 Cisco Professionals out there -
CCNA+CCNP+CCDA+CCDP+CCIE (all stripes) but I haven't found a breakdown of
CCNx and CCDx yet.  I thought someone posted that once though.

>From the font of all CCIE knowledge - CCO:
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ccie_program/ccie_present.html

The same link that Vincent quoted previously.  I just pasted it here for you
since you didn't want to check it out.

Cisco CCIE - Worldwide CCIE Presence
As of July 31, 2000

Total of Worldwide CCIEs: 4996

Americas 2557
North America 2488
Canada 145
Mexico 44
USA 2299
Caribbean 2
Bermuda 1
Puerto Rico 1

South America 67
Argentina 19
Brazil 35
Chile 5
Colombia 1
Venezuela 7

Central America 0

EMEA 1674
Europe 1571
Austria 35
Belgium 154
Bulgaria 3
Czech Republic 21
Denmark 39
Finland 23
France 126
Germany 282
Greece 5
Hungary 18
Iceland 4
Ireland 16
Italy 38
Luxembourg 4
Netherlands 76
Norway 22
Poland 30
Portugal 11
Romania 1
Russia 48
Slovakia 4
Slovenia 9
Spain 44
Sweden 65
Switzerland 101
Ukraine 3
United Kingdom 389

Africa 83
Nigeria 1
South Africa 82

Middle East 20
Israel 9
Saudi Arabia 5
United Arab Emirates 6

Pacific Rim765
Australia 184
Fiji 1
New Zealand 37

Asia 543
P.R.China 108
Hong Kong 44
India 4
Indonesia 11
Japan 224
Korea 28
Malaysia 14
Pakistan 1
Philippines 2
Singapore 55
Taiwan 44
Thailand 8


Sorry, no 30,000 CCIEs - So don't worry none of those Paper CCIEs around
here yet!

Kevin Wigle
CCDP/CCNP.

- Original Message -
From: "Gavin Payne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'wind'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, 27 August, 2000 04:46
Subject: RE: NO. of CCIE


> Thats the number of CCIE's with specialisations.  Apparently there are
over
> 30,000 normal CCIEs
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Re: CCIE WRITTEN

2000-08-27 Thread luobin Yang

I also received it, but I have no intention to try it out at the moment.

Luobin

"McCallum, Robert" wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I got this email through the other day.  Any one else received it or indeed
> tried it out?
>
> Cheers
>
> begin
>
> http://www.cciewritten.bigstep.com/
>
> The collection of material is only $49.95 and is delivered to your e-mail
> account
> within 24 hrs of your payment! Wow! Order now and don't delay! If you are
> not
> 100% satisfied (and do not pass the CCIE written exam), we will return your
> entire
> payment!
>
> Also, after your initial purchase, you will receive FREE updates for the
> lifetime of this product when available!!!
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RE: CCNP is easy to achieved now!

2000-08-27 Thread Gavin Payne

I agree,

My maths teacher once told me this..

"Maths has always been difficult and complex, its not getting easier its
just that your ability to understand it is improving".



> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> alex campbell
> Sent: 27 August 2000 18:54
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: CCNP is easy to achieved now!
>
>
> Vincent.
>
> I think you have little, if any team player skills and you
> spend far too
> much time in front of books rather than talking to people and
> understanding
> the concept of teamwork. You could be a CCIZ for all I care,
> I would never
> employ you.
>
>
> your arrogance is also fairly breathtaking in its idiocy.
> you should also learn to speak english. Its 'easy to achieve'
> Alex
>
>
> >-Original Message-
> >From: wind [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: 27 August 2000 11:46
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: CCNP is easy to achieved now!
> >
> >
> >I have my ccnp already,  finished every exam in 45 minus.
> >What do you think?
> >
> >
> >"GNOME" ¼¶¼g©ó¤å³¹ <8oaqso$vfa$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> > >Wondering if Cisco is earning big bucks since so many ppl
> are taking
> >CCNA,
> > >CCDA, CCNP & CCDP!
> > >image how much one have to pay for 1 exam :(
> > >
> > >"wind" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >8oa77l$nfe$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8oa77l$nfe$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> To all CCNP;
> > >>
> > >> Currently, CCNP is just easy to achieved.  The
> passing score is
> > >too
> > >> low.
> > >> I thought that the passing score should set as least
> 750.  Otherwise
> >the
> > >> exam is too easy.
> > >> After a year or 2,  CCNP will flood the market.
> May be Cisco
> >want
> > >> CCNP be popular.
> > >>
> > >> CCIE is definitely harder to achieve than ever.
>  I talked to
> >my
> > >> friend, CCIE , some CCIE
> > >> candidate.  May be cisco want to control the no. of CCIE.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks
> > >> Vincent
> > >>
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RE: About ip helper-address

2000-08-27 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

>syn, syn-ack and ack
>
>anytime i see tcp i think of a one-to-one communication that must adhere to
>the 3-way handshake.

Right.  There are several good reasons to use broadcast/multicast (as 
distinct from simply being connectionless):

1.  You don't know the address of the destination (e.g., DHCP request)
2.  The nature of the application is one-to-many and doesn't need
 reliable transmission (e.g., television broadcasting)
3.  The transmitter can resend information "in the blind" a sufficient
 number of times that there is an acceptable statistical likelihood
 that the receiver will receive a copy (e.g., weather map broadcasts)

There certainly are applications where reliable multicast services 
would be very useful, but general purpose reliable multicast remains 
a research problem.  Reliable multicast protocols do exist for 
certain applications, and it's not surprising that the details of its 
reliable multicast are the "family jewels" of EIGRP and have not been 
made public.

>
>-Original Message-
>From: Howard C. Berkowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 1:49 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: About ip helper-address
>
>
>  >i'll take a stab at howard's question:
>  >
>  >because of the reliability requirements placed by tcp ?
>
>
>You're on the right track.  What relationships and topologies do
>these requirements suggest between sender and receiver?
>
>  >
>  >-Original Message-
>  >From: Howard C. Berkowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>  >Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 11:56 AM
>  >
>  >
>  >  >I know this is for udp broadcast forward, but is there anyway to forward
>  >tcp
>  >  >broadcast? If there is, what scenarios should we use tcp/udp broadcast
>  >  >forward?
>  >  >Thanks
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >What have you seen that produces TCP broadcasts?
>  >
>  >As a study question, why would it be unlikely to have a broadcast
>  >mechanism based on TCP?

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PIX configuration

2000-08-27 Thread SH Wesson

My network is as follows:



Ethernet Segment ---|PIX||RTR|--OUT TO INTERNET
INTERNAL   DMZ  EXTERNAL

I have a few servers out in the DMZ zone.  How and what is the standard for 
security configuration for the PIX and the RTR (router).  Is the RTR suppose 
to shield only the servers in the DMZ and allow all other access inside?  Is 
the PIX suppose to be configured such that any traffic from the Ethernet 
Segment on the INTERNAL network  going through the INTERNET is filtered and 
allowed via the OUTBOUND list on the PIX.  How about the conduit?  How is 
that suppose to be used.

I have the network pretty much setup, but wanted some suggestions as to if 
I'm doing it right.  I'm currently using the RTR to protect the servers in 
the DMZ as well as placing some security for inbound connections while using 
the PIX to establish/filter what traffic can go outbound and what can't.  
How about traffic coming inbound from the INTERNET, should that type of 
traffic be filtered on the RTR or by using the conduit on the PIX.  Any help 
with how to setup security at what section of the network (where) would be 
greatly appreciated.  Thanks.



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RE: Higher than CCIE...

2000-08-27 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

Let's look at an area where certification is well established:  medicine.

New medical school graduates have to pass the test of the National 
Board of Medical Examiners.  Call that the doctor's CCNA. It's entry 
level to internship.

Most physicians who do not further subspecialize will do 3-4 years of 
combined internship/residency in an approved program. Depending on 
the field, they complete an approved residency program and may take 
tests to become "Board eligible".  Board certification usually 
requires some time in practice, and possibly case presentations as 
well as tests.  For internal medicine, the specialty board is the 
American College of Physicians. "diplomates" are board-eligible, 
while a board certified internest is a Fellow of the ACP (FACP).

Let's say you complete an internal medicine residency and want to 
specialize further.  You go on to a fellowship of several years, in 
cardiology, infectious disease, gastroenterology, etc.  Each of these 
subspecialty boards has its own approved program of training and 
certification.  So, Dr. X goes through another several years and 
meets the requirements of the American College of Cardiology.  Dr. X 
is now FACP, FACC, although most cardiologists would just write FACC.

Now, the good cardiologist wants to subspecialize even more.  There 
are higher-level fellowship programs, such as angioplasty, 
electrophysiology, etc.  While these "tertiary" specialties have 
professional organizations, they don't typically have exams as such. 
Instead, the control on practitioners is that you must have 
demonstrate advanced training and a certain number of supervised 
cases before a hospital will give you credentials to do the 
procedures.

There are various interdisciplinary specialties, such as pediatric 
general cardiology, where you might have a pediatrics and cardiology 
certification.

My point here is that the more specialized physicians, such as 
invasive cardiologists that limit their practice to angiography and 
angioplasty remain busy full-time doing just that.  The question 
really comes up with respect to networking certification:  who would 
want someone who is a specialist in everything? At some point, you 
need real experience, and typically in a specialty.

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How to configure hold time in BGP?

2000-08-27 Thread luobin Yang

Does anybody know how to configure the hold time in BGP?


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RE: Higher than CCIE...

2000-08-27 Thread Coker, Michael

Interesting idea.  However, there are more than "3" CCIE certifications.

CCIE R&S
CCIE WAN Switching
CCIE ISP Dial
CCIE SNA-IP
CCIE Design (as of 7/10/00)
CCIE Security (in development)
CCIE Multiservices (made this one up, but I'm sure it's soon to come) 

Therefore, there are currently 5 CCIE certs available with one more coming
soon and a possible 7th available in the near future.
So anyone that could pass all of these labs, ...well, has WAY too much time
on their hands.  ; )  ...and probably could rewrite the Cisco IOS to work
better.
By the time someone passes all of these CCIE certs there will be even more
new certs (ie CCIE Management, CCIE havenolife, CCIE brainfried, etc)

--Mike
-Original Message-
From: Generation Cisco
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 8/26/00 11:56 PM
Subject: Higher than CCIE...

Hey Group,
I was pondering this thought. If the rate of CCIE's is rising at
a fast pace than I think it would be cool if Cisco created a new cert.
The way to obtain this one would be to pass all three CCIE tests. From
what I know there is only one person in the world who has all three... I
think his name is Brendan Ta or something. They could name the cert:
CCID (Cisco certified internetwork director), or something like (and
this is my favorite): CCIG (Cisco certified internetwork guru) :)  Don't
think they would use that one though, :)  This type of cert would, in my
eyes, deem you as a true master of the matrix, if you know what I
mean...just a though. Maybe we can get some good responses on this
one...Have a good one group. 

P.S. I would like if Priscilla O. and Todd L. could also comment on this
topic...thanks.  :)

Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA, CCDA
E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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hold time and keepalive interval in BGP?

2000-08-27 Thread luobin Yang

Does anybody know the default value of hold time and keepalive interval
in BGP4?


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RE: Higher than CCIE...

2000-08-27 Thread Generation Cisco

I wasn't exactly sure how many there were but I knew there were more than 3. Just 
couldn't remember them all ;)   At least with all these CCIE tests nobody can stop 
workin at it. Thank god, at the rate I'm going I will probably have my CCIE at 24 (3 
years) and after that I would just feel old because I had reached my goal. With all 
these CCIE tests at least I'll have something to work harder on. ;)

--Original Message--
From: "Coker, Michael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 'Generation Cisco ' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'[EMAIL PROTECTED] '" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'[EMAIL PROTECTED] '" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: August 27, 2000 8:01:59 PM GMT
Subject: RE: Higher than CCIE...


Interesting idea.  However, there are more than "3" CCIE certifications.

CCIE R&S
CCIE WAN Switching
CCIE ISP Dial
CCIE SNA-IP
CCIE Design (as of 7/10/00)
CCIE Security (in development)
CCIE Multiservices (made this one up, but I'm sure it's soon to come) 

Therefore, there are currently 5 CCIE certs available with one more coming
soon and a possible 7th available in the near future.
So anyone that could pass all of these labs, ...well, has WAY too much time
on their hands.  ; )  ...and probably could rewrite the Cisco IOS to work
better.
By the time someone passes all of these CCIE certs there will be even more
new certs (ie CCIE Management, CCIE havenolife, CCIE brainfried, etc)

--Mike
-Original Message-
From: Generation Cisco
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 8/26/00 11:56 PM
Subject: Higher than CCIE...

Hey Group,
I was pondering this thought. If the rate of CCIE's is rising at
a fast pace than I think it would be cool if Cisco created a new cert.
The way to obtain this one would be to pass all three CCIE tests. From
what I know there is only one person in the world who has all three... I
think his name is Brendan Ta or something. They could name the cert:
CCID (Cisco certified internetwork director), or something like (and
this is my favorite): CCIG (Cisco certified internetwork guru) :)  Don't
think they would use that one though, :)  This type of cert would, in my
eyes, deem you as a true master of the matrix, if you know what I
mean...just a though. Maybe we can get some good responses on this
one...Have a good one group. 

P.S. I would like if Priscilla O. and Todd L. could also comment on this
topic...thanks.  :)

Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA, CCDA
E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
~Internetwork Essentials~
"Complete Solutions for Complex Networks"
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: CCIE WRITTEN

2000-08-27 Thread Kevin Welch

I think this guy abused the mailing list and spammed us.

-- Kevin

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> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: CCIE WRITTEN
>
>
> I also received it, but I have no intention to try it out at the moment.
>
> Luobin
>
> "McCallum, Robert" wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I got this email through the other day.  Any one else received
> it or indeed
> > tried it out?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > begin
> >
> > http://www.cciewritten.bigstep.com/
> >
> > The collection of material is only $49.95 and is delivered to
> your e-mail
> > account
> > within 24 hrs of your payment! Wow! Order now and don't delay!
> If you are
> > not
> > 100% satisfied (and do not pass the CCIE written exam), we will
> return your
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RE: Higher than CCIE...

2000-08-27 Thread Erick B.


Then you're limiting your network device knowledge to
just the world of Cisco. What do you do when you have
to go configure/fix a Bay/Nortel/3Com/whatever box?
Tell them to buy Cisco? When in reality, the other box
works just as well or better. 

I hold multiple Cisco and Bay/Nortel certifications,
and some others but I do certs for fun and one can
tell if someone knows their stuff or not by talking
w/them for a few minutes. Plus theirs the attitude/ego
factor... some people think they are "god" after they
achieve x cert and don't care about others anymore and
change completely for some reason. I distance myself
from these types. 

.E

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> respected than the CCIE and I will agree with you...
> Until then I think I'll stay away from Bay ;)
> 
> Mark Z.


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CCNP Prep Tests

2000-08-27 Thread Rod Christie

I'm having trouble finding good prep tests for the CCNP exams; both
Trancender and CICprep won't be ready until December. I've been to the
Boston site, but still undecided.

I'm looking for questions with good explanations as to Why. Has anyone
purchased something like this recently?

Thanks in advance

Rod




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Re: CCIE WRITTEN

2000-08-27 Thread Jason A. Diegmueller

> I think this guy abused the mailing list and spammed us.

Actually, I believe they harvested all of Usenet.  I post
under a mailalias, and I got 23 emails to that mailalias
from those guys.

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Re: hold time and keepalive interval in BGP?

2000-08-27 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

>Does anybody know the default value of hold time and keepalive interval
>in BGP4?
>

Have you looked at the RFC?

What problem are you trying to solve by changing these timers? 
There's quite a bit of thought that goes into the default values, and 
it may be more appropriate to use other protocol mechanisms rather 
than changing timers. Route flap dampening, for example, interacts 
heavily with the keepalive and hold timers.

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RE: Higher than CCIE...

2000-08-27 Thread Generation Cisco

But what if you started at a young age and had time to get all of these things banged 
out by the time you were 35 and then tried to find a company that specializes in them 
all. I would want to get these certs, if not for the money, just simply for the hunt. 
I just love the rush of seeing "congradulations" at the end of a cisco test. I do 
agree with you on your point of why a company would hire someone who knew it all when 
they just wanted a piece of their brain. I also think, on the other hand, that the sky 
is not the limit and the only way to get higher in life...is to get better at what you 
do. By the way, I did a double-take when I saw that you replied to one of my posts. I 
know that you are a very respected man in this field and wanted you to know that I 
appreciate your time in writing on this topic. Thank you from a young hopeful,

Mark Z. ~ CCNA, CCDA

--Original Message--
From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: August 27, 2000 7:53:48 PM GMT
Subject: RE: Higher than CCIE...


Let's look at an area where certification is well established:  medicine.

New medical school graduates have to pass the test of the National 
Board of Medical Examiners.  Call that the doctor's CCNA. It's entry 
level to internship.

Most physicians who do not further subspecialize will do 3-4 years of 
combined internship/residency in an approved program. Depending on 
the field, they complete an approved residency program and may take 
tests to become "Board eligible".  Board certification usually 
requires some time in practice, and possibly case presentations as 
well as tests.  For internal medicine, the specialty board is the 
American College of Physicians. "diplomates" are board-eligible, 
while a board certified internest is a Fellow of the ACP (FACP).

Let's say you complete an internal medicine residency and want to 
specialize further.  You go on to a fellowship of several years, in 
cardiology, infectious disease, gastroenterology, etc.  Each of these 
subspecialty boards has its own approved program of training and 
certification.  So, Dr. X goes through another several years and 
meets the requirements of the American College of Cardiology.  Dr. X 
is now FACP, FACC, although most cardiologists would just write FACC.

Now, the good cardiologist wants to subspecialize even more.  There 
are higher-level fellowship programs, such as angioplasty, 
electrophysiology, etc.  While these "tertiary" specialties have 
professional organizations, they don't typically have exams as such. 
Instead, the control on practitioners is that you must have 
demonstrate advanced training and a certain number of supervised 
cases before a hospital will give you credentials to do the 
procedures.

There are various interdisciplinary specialties, such as pediatric 
general cardiology, where you might have a pediatrics and cardiology 
certification.

My point here is that the more specialized physicians, such as 
invasive cardiologists that limit their practice to angiography and 
angioplasty remain busy full-time doing just that.  The question 
really comes up with respect to networking certification:  who would 
want someone who is a specialist in everything? At some point, you 
need real experience, and typically in a specialty.

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Re: Excessive Collisions

2000-08-27 Thread Brian

On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi Group,
> 
> A client's LAN was implemented with a stack of three Cabletron hubs and
> the Ethernet interface of a Cisco 2522 router has three secondary 
> addresses in addition to the primary. There are two Windows NT servers
> and about thirty workstations.

by having three subnets, you are causing traffic between subnets to be
twice as much as if they were a single subnet.  This is because each
packet must goto the router, and then back out the interface to the
destination, which is all on the same collision domainso that can
be bad for collisions for one.  One way to solve this is to run an IGP so
that workstations can realize that the addreses are actually reachable
directly.

> 
> The problem is that we've been having a lot of excessive collisions on
> the Ethernet interface and therefore have decided to introduce CAT 5002
> switch in to the LAN. 
> 
> How best can we modify the LAN with the hubs and the switch to reduce
> the collisions? Any opinion is welcome. 
> 

switch as much as possible, hub as less as possible :)  Seriously, you
will have to first start by examining your traffic flows.

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> 
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Re: CCNP Prep Tests

2000-08-27 Thread Neil Schneider

have you tried www.measureup.com  ?

Neil


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> I'm having trouble finding good prep tests for the CCNP exams; both
> Trancender and CICprep won't be ready until December. I've been to the
> Boston site, but still undecided.
>
> I'm looking for questions with good explanations as to Why. Has anyone
> purchased something like this recently?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Rod
>
>
>
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Re: CCIE WRITTEN

2000-08-27 Thread Brian



i got it.

On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, McCallum, Robert wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I got this email through the other day.  Any one else received it or indeed
> tried it out?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> begin
> 
> http://www.cciewritten.bigstep.com/
> 
> The collection of material is only $49.95 and is delivered to your e-mail
> account 
> within 24 hrs of your payment! Wow! Order now and don't delay! If you are
> not 
> 100% satisfied (and do not pass the CCIE written exam), we will return your
> entire 
> payment!
> 
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> 
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Re: Router will not save config

2000-08-27 Thread Trexken

Yeap that worked thanks.  

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RE: Higher than CCIE...

2000-08-27 Thread Chuck Larrieu

At which point one might consider other pursuits - skydiving, scuba diving,
coaching Little League, climbing Anapurna, reading Toynbee's The Study of
History, volunteering at an old folks home, cultivating real friendships and
loving relationships. There is plenty in life to master, and not all things
must be determined by Cisco or other technology vendors. :->


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Generation Cisco
Sent:   Sunday, August 27, 2000 1:09 PM
To: Coker, Michael
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:RE: Higher than CCIE...

I wasn't exactly sure how many there were but I knew there were more than 3.
Just couldn't remember them all ;)   At least with all these CCIE tests
nobody can stop workin at it. Thank god, at the rate I'm going I will
probably have my CCIE at 24 (3 years) and after that I would just feel old
because I had reached my goal. With all these CCIE tests at least I'll have
something to work harder on. ;)

--Original Message--
From: "Coker, Michael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 'Generation Cisco ' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'[EMAIL PROTECTED] '"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'[EMAIL PROTECTED] '" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: August 27, 2000 8:01:59 PM GMT
Subject: RE: Higher than CCIE...


Interesting idea.  However, there are more than "3" CCIE certifications.

CCIE R&S
CCIE WAN Switching
CCIE ISP Dial
CCIE SNA-IP
CCIE Design (as of 7/10/00)
CCIE Security (in development)
CCIE Multiservices (made this one up, but I'm sure it's soon to come)

Therefore, there are currently 5 CCIE certs available with one more coming
soon and a possible 7th available in the near future.
So anyone that could pass all of these labs, ...well, has WAY too much time
on their hands.  ; )  ...and probably could rewrite the Cisco IOS to work
better.
By the time someone passes all of these CCIE certs there will be even more
new certs (ie CCIE Management, CCIE havenolife, CCIE brainfried, etc)

--Mike
-Original Message-
From: Generation Cisco
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 8/26/00 11:56 PM
Subject: Higher than CCIE...

Hey Group,
I was pondering this thought. If the rate of CCIE's is rising at
a fast pace than I think it would be cool if Cisco created a new cert.
The way to obtain this one would be to pass all three CCIE tests. From
what I know there is only one person in the world who has all three... I
think his name is Brendan Ta or something. They could name the cert:
CCID (Cisco certified internetwork director), or something like (and
this is my favorite): CCIG (Cisco certified internetwork guru) :)  Don't
think they would use that one though, :)  This type of cert would, in my
eyes, deem you as a true master of the matrix, if you know what I
mean...just a though. Maybe we can get some good responses on this
one...Have a good one group.

P.S. I would like if Priscilla O. and Todd L. could also comment on this
topic...thanks.  :)

Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA, CCDA
E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
~Internetwork Essentials~
"Complete Solutions for Complex Networks"
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It depends...


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RE: Higher than CCIE...

2000-08-27 Thread Chuck Larrieu

I suppose if I have to explain the kennings, then the joke isn't really that
good….

No, dammit, the joke actually is pretty good. This time. For a change.  :->

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Sent:   Saturday, August 26, 2000 9:46 AM
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Subject:RE: Higher than CCIE...

Do you think Cisco is the only certification out their? Come on all, look at
the big picture and stop worshiping these CCIE types.

Rob

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Subject:RE: Higher than CCIE...


The title should be more like Elevated Cisco Internetworking Deity,  ( El
CID )


One Certification to rule them all
One Certification to find them
One Certification to bring them all
And in the Networks bind them
In the Land Of Cisco, where the Routers lie



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Sent:   Saturday, August 26, 2000 11:56 PM
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Subject:Higher than CCIE...

Hey Group,
I was pondering this thought. If the rate of CCIE's is rising at a fast
pace than I think it would be cool if Cisco created a new cert. The way to
obtain this one would be to pass all three CCIE tests. From what I know
there is only one person in the world who has all three... I think his name
is Brendan Ta or something. They could name the cert: CCID (Cisco certified
internetwork director), or something like (and this is my favorite): CCIG
(Cisco certified internetwork guru) :)  Don't think they would use that one
though, :)  This type of cert would, in my eyes, deem you as a true master
of the matrix, if you know what I mean...just a though. Maybe we can get
some good responses on this one...Have a good one group.

P.S. I would like if Priscilla O. and Todd L. could also comment on this
topic...thanks.  :)

Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA, CCDA
E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
~Internetwork Essentials~
"Complete Solutions for Complex Networks"


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Re: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed!

2000-08-27 Thread Leonard Ong

Hello Groups,

Actually, from what I know, there are only two possibilities on how CCIE 
test are
distinguish on scoring. A cisco employee category which needs you 5% higher 
passing
score and the non-employee.

I am unaware, if any, such weighting methods other than above.


Regards,
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Re: Higher than CCIE...

2000-08-27 Thread Bradley J. Wilson


...volunteering at an old folks home...

Why am I thinking of Trey Parker and Matt Stone right now? ;-)



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Generation Cisco
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 1:09 PM
To: Coker, Michael
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Subject: RE: Higher than CCIE...

I wasn't exactly sure how many there were but I knew there were more than 3.
Just couldn't remember them all ;)   At least with all these CCIE tests
nobody can stop workin at it. Thank god, at the rate I'm going I will
probably have my CCIE at 24 (3 years) and after that I would just feel old
because I had reached my goal. With all these CCIE tests at least I'll have
something to work harder on. ;)

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Subject: RE: Higher than CCIE...


Interesting idea.  However, there are more than "3" CCIE certifications.

CCIE R&S
CCIE WAN Switching
CCIE ISP Dial
CCIE SNA-IP
CCIE Design (as of 7/10/00)
CCIE Security (in development)
CCIE Multiservices (made this one up, but I'm sure it's soon to come)

Therefore, there are currently 5 CCIE certs available with one more coming
soon and a possible 7th available in the near future.
So anyone that could pass all of these labs, ...well, has WAY too much time
on their hands.  ; )  ...and probably could rewrite the Cisco IOS to work
better.
By the time someone passes all of these CCIE certs there will be even more
new certs (ie CCIE Management, CCIE havenolife, CCIE brainfried, etc)

--Mike
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From: Generation Cisco
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 8/26/00 11:56 PM
Subject: Higher than CCIE...

Hey Group,
I was pondering this thought. If the rate of CCIE's is rising at
a fast pace than I think it would be cool if Cisco created a new cert.
The way to obtain this one would be to pass all three CCIE tests. From
what I know there is only one person in the world who has all three... I
think his name is Brendan Ta or something. They could name the cert:
CCID (Cisco certified internetwork director), or something like (and
this is my favorite): CCIG (Cisco certified internetwork guru) :)  Don't
think they would use that one though, :)  This type of cert would, in my
eyes, deem you as a true master of the matrix, if you know what I
mean...just a though. Maybe we can get some good responses on this
one...Have a good one group.

P.S. I would like if Priscilla O. and Todd L. could also comment on this
topic...thanks.  :)

Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA, CCDA
E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
~Internetwork Essentials~
"Complete Solutions for Complex Networks"
Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA, CCDA
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Internetwork Essentials

The most classic answer to many of the questions that deals with networks:
It depends...


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Re: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed!

2000-08-27 Thread Brian

On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, Kevin Wigle wrote:

> Although the idea that the survey affects the score is interesting, I too
> cannot fathom how the survey matters.
> 
> You can answer the survey different for every exam.  Where is the continuity
> there?  And explain to me the difference between a "beginning" CCIE
> Candidate and a "seasoned" CCIE Candidate.
> 
> Changing your answers to the survey seems like an easy way to improve your
> odds.  How would Cisco know that your survey answers are correct?

well, the survey if I understand correctly doesn't necessarily make the
test easier or harder, you would get the same questions regardless.  It
just shifts the weighting, so that some questions are weighed more than
others..I don't claim to know how they accomplish any of this,
I can only speculate.

> 
> In truth, I don't think I have answered all the surveys the same as I have
> grown from the first Cisco exam over 2 years ago to completing CCDP/CCDP
> just last month.
> 
> Nah, I don't think the survey means anything to us.  I do think that Cisco
> wants to know the demographics of who is taking what exams.  Unfortunately
> this would mean that Cisco is adding a little scare tactic to get you to
> answer their survey but perhaps adding a little more anxiety when you need
> it least.

The survey is not optional.  You *have* to take it.  So its not like they
are trying to influence you to take it or not, you don't have a choice.  I
don't believe that Cisco would lie about the way you answer the survey
effecting the way it is scored.  If they say it effects the score, then
you should assume it does..granted we don't know in what way.

People have said in the past that answering it various ways has effected
the results, I don't think anyone has pinpointed in what way.  The only
way I could fathom is in weighting...and make no mistake about it, the
questions on Cisco tests *are* weighted.

Brian



> my .02 cents
> 
> Kevin Wigle
> CCDP/CCNP...
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Brian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Nigel Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> "Chuck Larrieu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, 27 August, 2000 17:24
> Subject: Re: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed!
> 
> 
> > On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > > I have to agree with Chuck on this matter. The survey IS NOT / CAN'T BE
> an
> > > influence on your score. The cisco exams are not even "adaptive" like
> the Novell
> > > exams. The questions are pulled from a pool established by evaluating
> the beta
> > > exam results and a certain number of questions are pulled for each
> subsection of
> > > the exam. There really would be no point to making the exam difficulty
> relative to
> > > survey responses. If Cisco did that, the exams would be WORTHLESS,
> allowing you to
> > > sandbag them by answering that you are a complete novice. What is the
> CCIE written
> > > supposed to do ? Fill out the survey that you have 2 weeks experience
> and it'll
> > > give you CCNA-level questions instead of asking about obscure details of
> token
> > > ring? The difficulty level of the exam is a constant, not a variable.
> >
> > Read the disclaimer next time you test.  It clearly states that how you
> > answer the questionairre will influence your score.  Cisco tests are not
> > adaptive, but they are weighted.  If you are a beginner, you would be
> > expected not to miss questions on fundementals..perhaps those are
> > weighted more, vs. questions that are more advanced which it may weigh
> > less for a beginner.  If you claim you are the God of networking, you
> > would probably get more weight to more advanced questions, and penalized
> > less for missing beginner questions that might be say something someone
> > more advanced may have forgotten.
> >
> > I do not know "how" they do itI am just going by what they tell
> > you when you test, and this is for the professional tests not just the
> > CCIE teststhey clearly state that "how you answer this
> > questionairre will influence how your test is scored"doesn't
> > seem to vaugue to me...
> >
> > Brian
> >
> 
> 

---
Brian Feeny, CCNA, CCDA   [EMAIL PROTECTED]   
Network Administrator 
ShreveNet Inc. (ASN 11881)

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Re: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed!

2000-08-27 Thread Kevin Wigle

Although the idea that the survey affects the score is interesting, I too
cannot fathom how the survey matters.

You can answer the survey different for every exam.  Where is the continuity
there?  And explain to me the difference between a "beginning" CCIE
Candidate and a "seasoned" CCIE Candidate.

Changing your answers to the survey seems like an easy way to improve your
odds.  How would Cisco know that your survey answers are correct?

In truth, I don't think I have answered all the surveys the same as I have
grown from the first Cisco exam over 2 years ago to completing CCDP/CCDP
just last month.

Nah, I don't think the survey means anything to us.  I do think that Cisco
wants to know the demographics of who is taking what exams.  Unfortunately
this would mean that Cisco is adding a little scare tactic to get you to
answer their survey but perhaps adding a little more anxiety when you need
it least.

my .02 cents

Kevin Wigle
CCDP/CCNP...

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From: "Brian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Nigel Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
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Sent: Sunday, 27 August, 2000 17:24
Subject: Re: Exam 350-001, I'm so pissed!


> On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > I have to agree with Chuck on this matter. The survey IS NOT / CAN'T BE
an
> > influence on your score. The cisco exams are not even "adaptive" like
the Novell
> > exams. The questions are pulled from a pool established by evaluating
the beta
> > exam results and a certain number of questions are pulled for each
subsection of
> > the exam. There really would be no point to making the exam difficulty
relative to
> > survey responses. If Cisco did that, the exams would be WORTHLESS,
allowing you to
> > sandbag them by answering that you are a complete novice. What is the
CCIE written
> > supposed to do ? Fill out the survey that you have 2 weeks experience
and it'll
> > give you CCNA-level questions instead of asking about obscure details of
token
> > ring? The difficulty level of the exam is a constant, not a variable.
>
> Read the disclaimer next time you test.  It clearly states that how you
> answer the questionairre will influence your score.  Cisco tests are not
> adaptive, but they are weighted.  If you are a beginner, you would be
> expected not to miss questions on fundementals..perhaps those are
> weighted more, vs. questions that are more advanced which it may weigh
> less for a beginner.  If you claim you are the God of networking, you
> would probably get more weight to more advanced questions, and penalized
> less for missing beginner questions that might be say something someone
> more advanced may have forgotten.
>
> I do not know "how" they do itI am just going by what they tell
> you when you test, and this is for the professional tests not just the
> CCIE teststhey clearly state that "how you answer this
> questionairre will influence how your test is scored"doesn't
> seem to vaugue to me...
>
> Brian
>


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RE: ip classless ?

2000-08-27 Thread Chuck Larrieu


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Gravlin
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Subject:Re: ip classless ?

The ip classless command is used when setting up default routes. Cisco
routers (classful by default) expect a subnet mask when entering your static
ip route commands, so when you are setting up a default route, you must
specify ip classless, since no remote subnets will be in its routing table
for default routes.
--
CL: this is not exactly correct. I took the following from the documentation
home page, configuration guides. In this case 12.1, but it applied to
earlier IOS versions as well.

Classfull versus classless behavior of Cisco routers remains a bit
confusing, and therefore highly misunderstood topic. The IP Classless
command ( or classless behavior ) is on by default in the newer IOS, anyway,
as noted below. It operates in case default routes do not exist. If there
are default routes, then the behavior may or may not be necessary, depending
upon other factors.

http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios121/121cgcr/ip_c
/ipcprt1/1cdipadr.htm#1001090
watch this nasty word wrap

By default, classless routing behavior is enabled on the router. When
classless routing is in effect, if a router receives packets destined for a
subnet of a network that has no network default route, the router forwards
the packet to the best supernet route.
In Figure 1, classless routing is enabled in the router. Therefore, when the
host sends a packet to 128.20.4.1, instead of discarding the packet, the
router forwards the packet to the best supernet route.

If you disable classless routing, and a router receives packets destined for
a subnet of a network that has no network default route, the router discards
the packet. Figure 2 shows a router in network 128.20.0.0 connected to
subnets 128.20.1.0, 128.20.2.0, and 128.20.3.0. Suppose the host sends a
packet to 128.20.4.1. Because there is no network default route, the router
discards the packet.

To prevent the Cisco IOS software from forwarding packets destined for
unrecognized subnets to the best supernet route possible, use the following
command in global configuration mode:

no ip classless Disable classless routing behavior.

===


Matt

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> hi ,
>
> Anyone knows why when we use RIP or IGRP routing protocols and we have a
> default network command entered , we need to include ip classless?
>
> Any form of input will be greatly appreciated
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>
> thanks
>
>
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