Re: Which Router for BGP4 ??

2001-02-09 Thread suaveguru

Is 64mb enough?


regards,

suaveguru
--- John Neiberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 why not a 3640?  I've got BGP running on a 3640 and
 the router barely knows
 that it's turned on most of the time.  The processor
 usage is very low and
 I've had zero problems so far.  I do have 128 MB of
 DRAM, though.  That is
 necessary.
 
   From: "John Gesualdi" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Reply-To: "John Gesualdi" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Which Router for BGP4 ??
   Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:40:18 +
   
I need to run BGP4 with my ISP. Which
 router would you recommend I
   purchase? Should I go with a 3620,3640 or a
 2650,2651?  Thanks.
   
   None of the above, unless you want to filter just
 about everything that's
 
   useful.  You'll need about 128Meg for the full
 table IIRC.
   
   
   Why do you *need* to run BGP4?
   
   Rob./
   
   
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RE: various catalyst5505 syntax question..help as much as you can !

2001-02-09 Thread Richard spalding

Hi.. Daniel and Dear all,

Thanks for guiding me, but I still have a bit more question to consult you 
if you were free.

1) since the the following vlan are not in used, can I clear them?

set vlan 1002 name fddi-default type fddi mtu 1500 said 101002 state active
set vlan 1004 name fddinet-default type fddinet mtu 1500 said 101004 state 
active stp ieee

set vlan 1005 name trnet-default type trbrf mtu 1500 said 101005 state 
active stp ibm

2) If set trunk 3/5 means that a trunk can never be established on this 
link, but is it a must to specify that.  Is that the default? Can I clear 
them?

I saw the configuration of the each module like
set vlan   XXX
set port speed  XXX
set trunk  on isl 1-1005
set trunk  off negiotiate 1-1005-(1)
set spantree portfast
set spantree portcost- (2)
set spantree portvlancost xx cost  - (3)

May I know whether no 1) 2) 3) are created by default??  Can I clear them??

3)What is the different between
auto negiotiate and off negiotiate ??
off isl and on isl

Thank you very much..  sorry for disturbing you.. I am in rush to answer.. 
forgive me

From: Daniel Cotts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "'Richard spalding'" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: various catalyst5505 syntax question..help as much as you can 
!
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:59:40 -0600

Your absolute best resource is "Cisco LAN Switching" by Clark and Hamilton,
Cisco Press ISBN 1-57870-094-9 Chapter 7. Run to your local book store and
buy it.

Does your boss have pointy hair?

1) mtu is maximum transmission unit. 1500 is the default for ethernet.
SAID, Security Association Identifier. Cisco adds 100,000 to the VLAN 
number
to create the SAID value. VLAN 1 = 11
You have three active ethernet VLANs
The FDDI and Token Ring VLANs are defaults and most likely not used.

2) sc0 1 means that the "virtual PC" that holds the IP stack is in VLAN 1
(which is default).
sc0 vlan#, ip address, subnet mask, broadcast address

3) spantree priority default is 32768. 16384 may make this switch the root
switch (for the VLAN in question. If no VLAN is specified then VLAN 1.) Do 
a
"show spantree #" Where # is each VLAN. if you see "Designated Root Cost" 
at
0 then that switch is the root for that VLAN.

4  5) Don't have time to look it up. They did some tuning with the values.
You'll have to look at all the switches to figure out what was intended.
Create a drawing of the physical network. Map each VLAN individually unless
all the values on all the VLANs are the same.

6) "off negotiate" means that a trunk can never be established on this 
link.

7) MLS only works if you have a Supervisor III E-2 or above with NFFC (open
to correction on this one) and you have an internal routing function RSM
card or RSFC or have an external router with MLS configured. If you have it
working, someone went through the effort to create it. Don't change it 
until
you know what was intended and why it should be changed.

  -Original Message-
  From: Richard spalding [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 12:11 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: various catalyst5505 syntax question..help as much
  as you can!
 
 
  Hi...Dear All,
 
  Recently, we just took over the administrator of catalyst
  5505 switches, my
  boss want me give me a full report on this switches in two
  days time.  But I
  don't understand some of the syntax. Pls help as much as you
  can even you
  may only one of the question , welcome to contribute..
 
  1) What is mean by the following, how many vlan are there??
  what is mean by
  mtu 1500 said 11 ?
 
  #vtp
  set vtp domain TOTO
  set vlan 1 name default type ethernet mtu 1500 said 11
  state active
  set vlan 2 name VLAN0002 type ethernet mtu 1500 said 12set vlan 1002 
name fddi-default type fddi mtu 1500 said
  101002 state active
  set vlan 1004 name fddinet-default type fddinet mtu 1500 said
  101004 state
  activ
  e stp ieee
  set vlan 1005 name trnet-default  state active
  set vlan 3 name VLAN0003 type ethernet mtu 1500 said 13
  state active
  type trbrf mtu 1500 said
  101005 state
  active st
  p ibm
  set vlan 1003 name token-ring-default type trcrf mtu 1500
  said 101003 state
  acti
  ve mode srb aremaxhop 0 stemaxhop 0 backupcrf off
  !
 
 
  2)Which interface is sc0 refer to? I know this represent IP
  of the switches,
  but any secial meaning of sc0 1 ???
  set interface sc0 1 50.200.45.252/255.255.255.0 50.200.45.255
 
  3)why vlan1,2,3 setting is different from vlan1003,1005??
  what is mean by
  spantree priority 16384??  why vlan1002,1004 not specify
  here? not in use??
 
  #spantree
  #vlan 1
  set spantree priority 16384 1
  #vlan 2
  set spantree priority 16384 2
  #vlan 3
  set spantree priority 16384 3
  #vlan 1003
  set spantree fwddelay 151003
  set spantree maxage   201003
  #vlan 1005
  set spantree fwddelay 151005
  set spantree maxage   201005set spantree portcost1/1  3006
 
  4)What is the 

Lab Equipment BSCN- Cisco Press Book

2001-02-09 Thread Timo Graser

Could someone please mail me the Equipment-list from the Cisco Press book?
only the lab for one pod (without 3600 Routers)

thanks for your help

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RE: Which Router for BGP4 ??

2001-02-09 Thread Javier Castillo Alcibar

I think the new 265x with 128 Mbytes is a good choice.


-Mensaje original-
De: suaveguru [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Enviado el: viernes, 09 de febrero de 2001 9:05
Para: John Neiberger; Robert Nelson-Cox; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Asunto: Re: Which Router for BGP4 ??


Is 64mb enough?


regards,

suaveguru
--- John Neiberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 why not a 3640?  I've got BGP running on a 3640 and
 the router barely knows
 that it's turned on most of the time.  The processor
 usage is very low and
 I've had zero problems so far.  I do have 128 MB of
 DRAM, though.  That is
 necessary.
 
   From: "John Gesualdi" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Reply-To: "John Gesualdi" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Which Router for BGP4 ??
   Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:40:18 +
   
I need to run BGP4 with my ISP. Which
 router would you recommend I
   purchase? Should I go with a 3620,3640 or a
 2650,2651?  Thanks.
   
   None of the above, unless you want to filter just
 about everything that's
 
   useful.  You'll need about 128Meg for the full
 table IIRC.
   
   
   Why do you *need* to run BGP4?
   
   Rob./
   
   
   --
   
   
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   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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PIX Firewall, Active Directory (Windows 2000 and Exchange 2000)

2001-02-09 Thread Ricardo Ciganda

Hi all!

I would like to keep in touch with people who is experimenting with
Active Directory through PIX Firewall, new Exchange 2000, Windows 2000,
PDC's, global catalogs and so on.

I have made a lab with 10 computers (2 exchanges) and 5 dmz's. I have
achieved to make it work but it´s very challenging. The most dificult is
to change many tcp/udp ports on the windows registry. I think
Microsoft's Active Directory's implementation is very poor. Anyway, if
you are studying to upgrade to Win2000 and Exchange2000 (with PIX
firewall) think twice.

Ricardo Ciganda
CCNA, CCDA, Security
BCMSN, BCRAN
Systems Engineer and Network Consultant
BYTEMASTER, S.A.
C/ Gran Capitan 2-4 4ª Planta
Barcelona, SPAIN 08034
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Phone:  (+34) 93-2520540
Fax:(+34) 93-2520541


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why access-list match accounting doesn't match ?

2001-02-09 Thread Sim, CT (Chee Tong)

Dear all, 

I do a show access-list on my Cisco packer filter, May I know what kind of
access-list match will show in part 1 and what kind of access-list match
will show in part 2. Whether the access-list match in part 1 will be counted
or add together and show in part 2.

Pls take a look on line (A) and (B), (C) and specify by me.   
1)For A host eq 4040 talk to host eq 1117 was log in (A)-part 1 but not in
(C)-part 2

2)For B permit udp any eq 7091 any log (164 matches) but I could find any
host eq 7091 access-list match in part 1

Extended IP access list 100

Part1)
permit udp host 199.105.182.173 eq 48130 host 192.168.3.134 eq 48130 (3
matches)
permit udp host 199.105.182.86 eq 48129 host 192.168.3.135 eq 48129 (1
match)
permit tcp host 192.168.3.54 eq 3000 host 192.168.3.137 eq 1922 (141762
matches)
permit udp host 199.105.182.86 eq 48129 host 192.168.3.161 eq 48129
permit udp host 199.105.182.23 eq 48129 host 192.168.3.115 eq 48129 (2
matches)
permit udp host 199.105.182.168 eq 48130 host 192.168.3.105 eq 48130
(34353 matches)
permit tcp host 199.105.182.189 eq 8194 host 192.168.3.119 eq 8196
(10895 matches)
permit udp host 199.105.182.86 eq 48129 host 192.168.3.126 eq 48129 (1
match)
permit tcp host 199.105.182.189 eq 8194 host 192.168.3.133 eq 8200
(10891 matches)
permit udp host 199.105.182.86 eq 48129 host 192.168.3.145 eq 48129
permit tcp host 199.105.182.190 eq 8194 host 192.168.3.119 eq 8198
(11616 matches)
permit tcp host 192.168.3.54 eq 3000 host 192.168.3.117 eq 1834 (169566
matches)
permit tcp host 199.105.182.190 eq 8194 host 192.168.3.133 eq 8197
(11603 matches)
permit tcp host 199.105.182.190 eq 8194 host 192.168.3.102 eq 8201
(11610 matches)
permit udp host 199.105.182.86 eq 48129 host 192.168.3.108 eq 48129
permit udp host 199.105.182.86 eq 48129 host 192.168.3.121 eq 48129 (1
match)
permit tcp host 199.105.182.189 eq 8194 host 192.168.3.102 eq 8200
(10894 matches)
permit tcp host 199.105.182.28 eq 8292 host 192.168.3.149 eq 8277 (10672
matches)
permit udp host 199.105.182.86 eq 48129 host 192.168.3.170 eq 48129
permit udp host 199.105.182.173 eq 48130 host 192.168.3.141 eq 48130 (3
matches)
permit udp host 199.105.182.15 eq 48129 host 192.168.3.166 eq 48129 (2
matches)
permit udp host 199.105.182.173 eq 48130 host 192.168.3.164 eq 48130 (3
matches)
permit udp host 199.105.182.173 eq 48130 host 192.168.3.147 eq 48130 (3
matches)
permit udp host 199.105.182.23 eq 48129 host 192.168.3.142 eq 48129 (2
matches)
permit tcp host 199.105.182.189 eq 8194 host 192.168.3.139 eq 8198
(10890 matches)
permit udp host 199.105.182.173 eq 48130 host 192.168.3.145 eq 48130 (3
matches)
permit udp host 199.105.182.173 eq 48130 host 192.168.3.121 eq 48130 (3
matches)
permit tcp host 199.105.182.190 eq 8194 host 192.168.3.139 eq 8200
(11606 matches)
permit udp host 199.105.182.170 eq 48130 host 192.168.3.142 eq 48130 (3
matches)
permit udp host 199.105.182.173 eq 48130 host 192.168.3.153 eq 48130
(63536 matches)
permit udp host 199.105.182.173 eq 48130 host 192.168.3.123 eq 48130 (3
matches)
permit udp host 199.105.182.173 eq 48130 host 192.168.3.161 eq 48130 (3
matches)
permit udp host 199.105.182.173 eq 48130 host 192.168.3.126 eq 48130 (3
matches)
permit tcp host 192.168.3.54 eq 3000 host 192.168.3.130 eq 1849 (197151
matches)
permit udp host 199.105.182.86 eq 48129 host 192.168.3.123 eq 48129 (2
matches)
permit udp host 199.105.182.173 eq 48130 host 192.168.3.111 eq 48130 (3
matches)
permit udp host 199.105.182.173 eq 48130 host 192.168.3.135 eq 48130 (3
matches)
permit udp host 199.105.182.86 eq 48129 host 192.168.3.164 eq 48129
permit udp host 199.105.182.86 eq 48129 host 192.168.3.147 eq 48129
permit udp host 199.105.182.173 eq 48130 host 192.168.3.107 eq 48130
(128770 matches)
permit udp host 199.105.182.86 eq 48129 host 192.168.3.134 eq 48129
permit udp host 199.105.182.173 eq 48130 host 192.168.3.170 eq 48130 (3
matches)
permit tcp host 192.168.3.54 eq 3000 host 192.168.3.138 eq 4055 (204874
matches)
permit udp host 199.105.182.170 eq 48130 host 192.168.3.115 eq 48130 (3
matches)
permit tcp host 192.168.3.43 eq 4040 host 192.168.3.113 eq 1091 (527716
matches)
permit udp host 199.105.182.86 eq 48129 host 192.168.3.111 eq 48129 (1
match)
permit udp host 199.105.182.29 eq 48129 host 192.168.3.146 eq 48129 (2
matches)
permit udp host 199.105.182.86 eq 48129 host 192.168.3.141 eq 48129
permit udp host 199.105.182.171 eq 48130 host 192.168.3.151 eq 48130
permit tcp host 192.168.3.43 eq 4040 host 192.168.3.104 eq 1117 (529563
matches)--(A)

Part 2
permit tcp any any eq www log
permit tcp any eq www any log
permit tcp any any eq 5100 log
permit tcp any eq 5100 any log
permit tcp any any eq 60101 log
permit tcp any eq 60101 any log
permit tcp any any eq 7091 log
 

Re: Which Router for BGP4 ??

2001-02-09 Thread Moe Tavakoli

The memory is needed to store and be able to retrieve
from the routing table as fast as possible.  Since
with BGP you get all the routes on the net (which is
quite elarge) they recommend 128MB.  

Now if you want to use less RAM you can.  That is, if
you have the ISP limit the numner of routers they are
advertising to you.  If you limit this to just a
default route advertisment from the ISP you can run
this on a 2600 with less than 64MB (this could give
you the ISP redundancy that you may be looking for.)

However I would suggest getting a 3600 series router
(or better yet 2 of them for redundancy) and getting
full routes so you can control things you may want
with BGP.

Moe Tavakoli

--- suaveguru [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Is 64mb enough?
 
 
 regards,
 
 suaveguru
 --- John Neiberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  why not a 3640?  I've got BGP running on a 3640
 and
  the router barely knows
  that it's turned on most of the time.  The
 processor
  usage is very low and
  I've had zero problems so far.  I do have 128 MB
 of
  DRAM, though.  That is
  necessary.
  
From: "John Gesualdi" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: "John Gesualdi" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Which Router for BGP4 ??
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:40:18 +

 I need to run BGP4 with my ISP. Which
  router would you recommend I
purchase? Should I go with a 3620,3640 or a
  2650,2651?  Thanks.

None of the above, unless you want to filter
 just
  about everything that's
  
useful.  You'll need about 128Meg for the full
  table IIRC.


Why do you *need* to run BGP4?

Rob./


--


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Cisco 2513

2001-02-09 Thread Vincent

Hi;
Anyone sell cheap 2513 ?  For I can not afforad the expensive 2612,
I am looking for the cheap 2513.
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ITU-T G.707

2001-02-09 Thread Brandon Peyton

Hi,

Can someone tell me what exactly ITU-T G.707 is and how it plays a role
in stacked DS3/E3 cards?

and which cards in cisco/juniper would support ITU-T G.707

Thanks in advance,

Brandon

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Hacking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2001-02-09 Thread imran obaidullah

htmlDIVHi Friends,/DIV
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my corporate n/w. My office has Cisco 3600 Router for internet connaction. /DIV
DIVnbsp;/DIV
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DIV2. If internet uses is trying to hack webserver using a hacking tool which is 
usingnbsp;port 80, how the administrator can block this action still allowing the 
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RE: not quite sure...

2001-02-09 Thread Christopher Larson

This is the second time I have seen a post about HDLC enabling the router to
retransmit, and some other people who I have brought the topic up to seem to
think so to, so I dug up what Cisco says about HDLC encapsulation.   


"HDLC Serial Encapsulation Method
Cisco provides HDLC serial encapsulation for serial lines. This
encapsulation method provides the synchronous framing and error detection
functions of HDLC without windowing or retransmission."


Note: without retransmission

http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ssr83/rpc_r/61110.h
tm














-Original Message-
From: Jeremy Dumoit [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 5:10 PM
To: Leigh Anne Chisholm; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: not quite sure...



Frame relay has no means for packet loss
detection, so a higher layer protocol (probably TCP)
would have to request retransmission of the data. 
This would occur between hosts rather than the router.
 X.25 and HDLC on the other hand are both reliable
protocols... they would recognize a packet loss and
retransmit from the routers.  However, PPP, like
frame, is just a datagram service... the hosts would
have to work it out at higher layers again.  


--- Leigh Anne Chisholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Would Router B retransmit if Frame Relay was used as
 the encapsulation
 protocol?  If so, how would Frame Relay detect the
 loss of the "packet"?
 What about X.25--would Router B retransmit?  How
 would X.25 detect the loss?
 What about HDLC?  PPP?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
 Brant Stevens
 Sent: February 8, 2001 9:10 AM
 To: Dennis Laganiere; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: not quite sure...
 
 
 The question is if Router B and Router C are
 routing, or if they are
 bridging...  If they are routing, then Router B
 would re-transmit a packet.
 If bridging is happening, then Host A would
 retransmit...
 
 Hope this helps...
 
 Brant I. Stevens
 Internetwork Solutions Engineer
 Thrupoint, Inc.
 545 Fifth Avenue, 14th Floor
 New York, NY. 10017
 646-562-6540
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
 Dennis Laganiere
 Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 11:32 PM
 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
 Subject: not quite sure...
 
 
 I've tried to diagram this question to make it
 clear...
 
 Host A is sending to Host D...
 
 A line error occurs on the serial link between
 Router-B and Router-C while
 passing a packet from Host-A to Host-B
 
 Devices -   Host A-ROUTER B-ROUTER
 CHOST D
 Interfaces -  (A1)(B1)  (B2)(C1)
 (C2) (D1)
 
 What device would rebroadcast?
 
 I think that router-B (port B2) would realize an
 error had occured, and
 would resend, so the answer should be port B2, but
 I've been through all my
 books and can't find anything to confirm or deny my
 conclusion...
 
 Any thoughts?
 
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RE: not quite sure...

2001-02-09 Thread Christopher Larson

Sweet!!Nice Post. Learn something new everyday!!! 


For clarity though, native PPP will not retransmit.  (Lest someone studying
for a particular high level test get's a question about it)  ;)





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Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 8:45 PM
To: Priscilla Oppenheimer; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: not quite sure...


PPP can be reliable.

http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios112/112cg_cr/4rb
ook/4rppp.htm#xtocid2891421
http://www.landfield.com/rfcs/rfc1663.html

Brian Dennis
CCIE #2210 (RS)(ISP/Dial)
CCSI #98640


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Priscilla Oppenheimer
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 4:04 PM
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Subject: RE: not quite sure...


At 11:19 AM 2/8/01, Jeremy Dumoit wrote:


I actually think it depends on what encapsulation
is running accross the serial link.  If you're using
HDLC then it's a connection oriented, reliable

Cisco's HDLC is non-standard and is not connection-oriented. The router
would not retransmit. The router also won't retransmit if it's PPP, Frame
Relay, Ethernet, etc. etc etc. etc.

protocol... meaning if a packet is lost in transit
accross the serial link, the router will knw it when
it receives a response from the destination router.
It'll then resend the frame.  If you're using a
datagram protocol, like ppp, however, it will rely on
the upper layer protocols to detect missing data..


--- Brant Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The question is if Router B and Router C are
  routing, or if they are
  bridging...  If they are routing, then Router B
  would re-transmit a packet.
  If bridging is happening, then Host A would
  retransmit...
 
  Hope this helps...
 
  Brant I. Stevens
  Internetwork Solutions Engineer
  Thrupoint, Inc.
  545 Fifth Avenue, 14th Floor
  New York, NY. 10017
  646-562-6540
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
  Dennis Laganiere
  Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 11:32 PM
  To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
  Subject: not quite sure...
 
 
  I've tried to diagram this question to make it
  clear...
 
  Host A is sending to Host D...
 
  A line error occurs on the serial link between
  Router-B and Router-C while
  passing a packet from Host-A to Host-B
 
  Devices -   Host A-ROUTER B-ROUTER
  CHOST D
  Interfaces -  (A1)(B1)  (B2)(C1)
  (C2) (D1)
 
  What device would rebroadcast?
 
  I think that router-B (port B2) would realize an
  error had occured, and
  would resend, so the answer should be port B2, but
  I've been through all my
  books and can't find anything to confirm or deny my
  conclusion...
 
  Any thoughts?
 
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Re: Subject: Sniffer Program

2001-02-09 Thread JCoyne

Observer Suite

It cost $3,000.00 but it can also be free if you seach around ;)


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 It's free and decent for LAN/Ethernet stuff. If you're
 looking for WAN, ATM, etc then you'll need to look at
 commericial products such as Sniffer Pro.

 --- Paul Werner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Can someone recommend  a good WindowsME
  sniffer?
 
  Well, I am not sure if it works on Windows ME
  boxes, but there is a protocol analyzer that will
  work on most other Winthings (95,98, NT4, etc.)
  It is fairly decent given the cost(free).  My
  understanding is that it comes from a Win32
  ported version of TCPdump.  There is only one
  downside that I am aware of.  All of the help
  files are in Italian.  If you can figure out how
  to get it all loaded, its fairly decent.
 
  I am trying to work on the documentation side of
  things by trying to get a deal struck between my
  wife and the guy that wrote the code for the
  program as part of his doctoral thesis.  He is in
  no hurry to get everything translated into
  English.  OTOH, if I give the right type of
  gratuity to my wife :-), she might be willing to
  do it herself (I hope).  We'll see how (and if)
  it works out.
 
  Here it is:
 
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  http://netgroup-serv.polito.it/analyzer/
 
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Re: need lab stuff

2001-02-09 Thread JCoyne

I have a ws-x5010 (telco connector) Etherner module for sale.

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Re: Hacking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2001-02-09 Thread JCoyne

Read the book Hacking Exposed 2nd edition.


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RE: not quite sure...

2001-02-09 Thread Christopher Larson

In the discussion of error correction, I think an error on my part has been
missed. I was thinking about it and I wonder if this is entirely accurate:

(concerning what happens after a frame is discarded on WAN link)

"The end station will respond by acking the next packet it recieves with the
appriopriate (lower numbered) sequence number (of the missed packet). The
originating station will
get this ack (with the lower sequence number) see that the end station is
requesting a packet out of sequence and the originating station will begin
it's next transmission with the data from that particular sequence number."

Is this correct?








-Original Message-
From: Christopher Larson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 3:22 PM
To: 'Jeremy Dumoit'; Brant Stevens; Dennis Laganiere;
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: not quite sure...


HDLC will not retransmit as there is only error detection in HDLC, but no
error correction. This is the same with Frame-relay. Frame-relay, and HDLC
will detect and discard errored frames but will not retransmit those frames.
They depend on upper layers (like TCP for TCP/IP) to recognize there is a
missing packet and correct that error.  








-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 2:19 PM
To: Brant Stevens; Dennis Laganiere; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: not quite sure...




   I actually think it depends on what encapsulation
is running accross the serial link.  If you're using
HDLC then it's a connection oriented, reliable
protocol... meaning if a packet is lost in transit
accross the serial link, the router will knw it when
it receives a response from the destination router. 
It'll then resend the frame.  If you're using a
datagram protocol, like ppp, however, it will rely on
the upper layer protocols to detect missing data..  


--- Brant Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The question is if Router B and Router C are
 routing, or if they are
 bridging...  If they are routing, then Router B
 would re-transmit a packet.
 If bridging is happening, then Host A would
 retransmit...
 
 Hope this helps...
 
 Brant I. Stevens
 Internetwork Solutions Engineer
 Thrupoint, Inc.
 545 Fifth Avenue, 14th Floor
 New York, NY. 10017
 646-562-6540
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
 Dennis Laganiere
 Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 11:32 PM
 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
 Subject: not quite sure...
 
 
 I've tried to diagram this question to make it
 clear...
 
 Host A is sending to Host D...
 
 A line error occurs on the serial link between
 Router-B and Router-C while
 passing a packet from Host-A to Host-B
 
 Devices -   Host A-ROUTER B-ROUTER
 CHOST D
 Interfaces -  (A1)(B1)  (B2)(C1)
 (C2) (D1)
 
 What device would rebroadcast?
 
 I think that router-B (port B2) would realize an
 error had occured, and
 would resend, so the answer should be port B2, but
 I've been through all my
 books and can't find anything to confirm or deny my
 conclusion...
 
 Any thoughts?
 
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RE: Dumb question

2001-02-09 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

Jeremy - even better, what protocl is self correcting ?  I need that
protocol running on my network ASAP !

Nick Payton


Forward error correcting protocols accept addional overhead to 
provide enough redundancy to give the receiver a fighting chance to 
correct the frame without retransmission.  They tend to be used in 
radio applications, the extreme case being deep space missions where 
the probe doesn't have the power or antenna to do routine 
retransmission, and where the speed of light delay is in minutes or 
longer.

Another approach to self correction can be seen in such protocols as 
SSCOP, which have options for sending the same message over parallel 
physical links, and retransmitting only if a frame with a correct 
checksum is not received on any link.

While not strictly error correcting, TCP is highly self correcting 
with respect to congestion, although there is a continuing evolution 
of corrective mechanisms.



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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Dumb question
  I think I'm unclear on some of the protocols here... for what purpose
would a protocol detect errors, but not correct them?  Maybe QoS?

Several reasons.

One, the nature of the application is such that some errors are 
tolerable, and it is worse to delay the packet than drop it.  Think 
packetized voice.

Second, you need to look at the overall protocol stack.  If you know 
a higher- or lower-layer protocol will retransmit, why bother 
duplicating error correction?  Think of NFS over RPC over UDP, where 
RPC does the retransmission at the record level.  Alternatively, 
think of UDP over X.25.

Third, the topology is such that it's impractical to retransmit. 
Think one-to-many multicasting such as sending weather maps to 
thousands of airports.  Individual errors are tolerable here, because 
weather only changes significantly at 5 or 10 minute intervals (or 
longer), and a new copy of the weather map is sent every 30-60 
seconds.  Statistically, you just need to wait and you will get a 
clean copy.
-- 
"What Problem are you trying to solve?"
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RE: Hacking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2001-02-09 Thread Watson, Rick, CTR, OUSDC

Can you say NIDS? A must have for a multilayer security posture.
Security does not start, or end for that matter with just a firewall..!!

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Read the book Hacking Exposed 2nd edition.


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 DIV2. If internet uses is trying to hack webserver using a hacking tool
which is usingnbsp;port 80, how the administrator can block this action
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some questions about cisco switchers

2001-02-09 Thread cslx

1.what's the mean of the suffix of cisco switchers? such as 2948G-L3(L3 may
means layer-3,but how about G?),2900XL(what about the XL),could anyone tell
me more details? and what do OC12,OC48,OC3 mean?
2.in my CISCO 1924,I set the port have TRUCK function,then the port only can
forword the VLAN packet(can't forword any common packets),why?Is it same as
the high-end switchers(such as 5500,6000..)?Can I forword common packets
after I set the port TRUNCK?
3.what is GRE?what is TRUNCK?what is the difference about ISL and 802.1Q?
thanx!


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distribute list in EIGRP

2001-02-09 Thread Adam Wang

Hi Group,

A quick question.  If a distribute list has be
established in EIGRP for a while, and you remove the
list.  How long will it take for the new route to be
discovered?  And how EIGRP is acting in this case.

Thanks in advance.

Adam

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HDLC

2001-02-09 Thread Jeremy Dumoit


Getting some good info here..  So cisco has their own implementation of
HDLC..  is it compatible with other non-cisco devices (nothing particular in
mind here)?  What does the control field of a cisco HDLC frame look like?
Thanks!!!

Jeremy

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ATM BOOK

2001-02-09 Thread Boomie Okeowo

Can anyone recommend a very good ATM book, please.



-B


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Re: IOS Upload

2001-02-09 Thread Warrick FitzGerald

Hi John,

Thanks for the help,

The router that is giving me this problem is a 2621, I also have a 2611 is
it possible for me to tftp the flash from the 2611 onto my tftp server and
then try and load that onto the 2621 or is that simply not possible. Sorry,
probably a very novice question, but if I cant do that, what is the quickest
and easiest way for me to get a different flash that I could try loading
onto the router ?

One more question :) ... Is it possible to sent a binary image to the router
via the console cable ? If so does it need to be in another format or can
you simple use something like xmodem to send the same binary image to the
device ?

Thanks
Warrick FitzGerald
LiveTechnology International Inc.


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 My first concern is that I have no idea what that image is.  I searched
CCO for that image name and couldn't find it, not in the IOS upgrade planner
or the Feature Navigator.  The only close one I could find was 12.1(2), not
2.5, and it was about 200k bigger than the file you mention.

 Do you have that image running on another router?  If not, try loading a
different image.  That one spooks me.  g

 Perhaps something is wrong with flash, so another option is to replace the
flash and see if that helps.

 Another option is to use the -r option for tftpdnld which will load the
image directly to DRAM instead of to flash.  If that works, then you know
your flash is hosed.

 I hate to even mention it, but make sure your basic networking setup is
correct (addresses, masks, cables, etc.)  That goes without saying, but I'll
say it anyway.  :-)

 Good luck!

 John

 
  Hi,
 
  When I tried to upload my IOS image to the my 2600 router it failed.
When
  the router rebooted it kicked into Rommon mode with an error message
that
  reads "boot: cannot determine first file name on device "flash:"". There
is
  a command in rommon  mode called "tftpdnld" which I run once I have set
all
  my parameters, this is surposed to fetch the image of my tftp server. I
see
  it connect to my TFTP server but after a second or two it times out and
I
  dont get the image.
 
  If anyone knows why the image does not download, pls help.
 
  Filename = c2600-io3s56i-mz.121-2.5
  File Size = 8,071 KB
 
  Thanks
  Warrick FitzGerald
  LiveTechnology International Inc.
 
 
 
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RE: ATM BOOK

2001-02-09 Thread Stuart Potts

Cisco ATM Solutions. by cisco press


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Can anyone recommend a very good ATM book, please.



-B


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Re: Local Director Config

2001-02-09 Thread Kevin Wigle

great post!


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Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 You have the basic idea.  the Local Director
 load-balances per packet.  Now you are talking about 2
 servers behind the LD and you want the same user
 (session) to continue to go to the same server till
 the  transaction is complete (usually do to the fact
 that the server keeps the session ID and tracks it,
 very common.)  What you will need to use is the STICKY
 command.  This command will allow you to send a
 certain client session to the same "real" server.  
 So once you create your 1 virtual server and 2 real
 servers type in the sticky command and apply it to the
 Virtual address.  There are foure ways that the box
 will do the sticky:
 
 IP:  Based on source and destination of the request. 
 The problem here would be in the case your users are
 coming from a PAT.  Lets say you have one large user
 base coming in with the same source.  The LD would
 send these requests from that IP to one real (thinking
 it's the same session.) This could get in the way of
 actual load balancing.  But th egood thing is that it
 works and is very easy to configure and make sure it
 works.
 
 SSL:  This is the other sticky type which has been
 supported since aleast ver. 4.4.  This tracks the SSL
 session ID and makes sure the client with the same SSL
 Session ID keeps going back to the same server.  This
 had some problems with a couple of IE4.? vers, where
 the browser would request a new SSL ID too soon (the
 SSL TTL on the browser was set to small.)
 
 App Cookie:  This was introduced in the 5.? releases. 
 This allows you to define a session based on the
 cookie yor app gives to the session.  This is assuming
 that you use Cookies.  If your using cookies this is a
 pretty solid solution, though it is a bit slower than
 the previous two.
 
 LD Cookie:  Released along witht the previous.  You
 also have the option of having the LD assign cookies
 to the traffic (a great option when your app doesn't)
 Again this is a bit slower than the first two.
 
 
 On the cluster issue, remember that the cluster has a
 single VIP and this is the way it should be accessed. 
 It will do it's own load-balancing (hopefully.) So the
 LD would be useless in this case, unless you have two
 sets of clusters that you'd like to load-balance.
 
 When installing also look at the way the LD is doing
 it's load-balancing.  By default it is set to
 least-conn.  That means the unit with the least amount
 of open connections gets the request.  This may or may
 not be the right one for you, so read into them and
 apply it to your scenerio.
 
 Remember that your install is a very basic one:
 You need to set the management IP
 Set the Virt
 Set the Real
 Bind them
 Set your sticky
 The Default Gateway
 and plug two interfaces to separate VLANS.
 (I think thats it!)
 
 Also remember that the LD is a bridge (and never
 bridge it) the servers behind it use the same address
 space as the network in-front of it and use the
 default gateway of the network in-front of the LD.
 
 I hope that helps, I'm sure I would spew out some more
 if my fingers weren't tired!
 
 Moe Tavakoli
 
 --- Keith Whitfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Thanks for the response. So, In what kind of server
  setup does
  LD work? Is there a way to disable load-balancing on
  the LD and
  configure it to work as a Redirector?
  
  I don't know if I am asking for something that LD
  doesn't do.
  But, I am confused at the scenario when LD is
  implemented and
  what are the things I need to keep in mind at the
  server sides
  when I go ahead with LD solution.
  
  Thanks
  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote...
  
  I'm not even sure it is possible to load balance
  between two
  servers in a cluster.  Since clusters are generally
  presented as
  one server.
  
  Clayton
  "Keith Whitfield" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
  in message
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
  Hi...
  
  I am in the process of implementing a Local Director
  for the
  servers in our company. Right now in the process of
  documenting
  the requirements and design of it. I have some
  questions for
  which the cisco site don't have information in the
  LD
  documentation. I have 2 servers on which I need to
  do load
  balancing as well as have a fail over redundancy in
  case one of
  them goes down. I can achieve this by the LD. But
  the traffic
  that goes via the LD are real time transactions and
  I don't know
  how the application(our) will respond to these
  requests, since
  LD laod balances on a packet-packet basis. Basically
  we will be
  having 2 instances of the application running.So, my
  questions
  are
  
  1.To achieve synchronization between the servers for
  every
  transaction that occur Do I need to have a
  clustering software
  for these servers?
 

RE: HDLC

2001-02-09 Thread Stuart Potts

Thats right,

cisco hdlc is not compatible with other vendors implemenation of hdlc.

An HDLC frame format is shown below:

111  2 variable
2   1

+++++---++--
--+
  |flag|addr|ctrl|protocol|data   |
FCS  |flag|
  |0x7E||0x00||   |
|0x7E|

+++++---++--
--+

  flag = start/end of frame = 0x7E
 (Other special characters: Idle = 0xFF, Abort = 0x7F)
  address = this is really a frame type field
0x0F = Unicast Frame
0x80 = Broadcast Frame
0x40 = Padded Frame
0x20 = Compressed Frame
  Protocol = the Ethernet type of the encapsulated data:
  0x0800 = IP 0x6003 = DECnet ...
  0x6558 = Bridged Frame
  0x8035 = Keepalive Frame
  0x80C4 = CDP

  The bits in the frame (not counting the flag bytes) are 0 bit
stuffed to insure
  that there is never more then 5 1 bits in a row on the wire.
Therefore 0xFF,
  0xFE, 0xFC, 0x7E, 0x7F, 0x3F bytes could never be in the data
portion of the
  frame - so they are free to be used for start/end framing and
other special
  functions on the wire.




/Stuart.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Jeremy Dumoit
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 1:45 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: HDLC



Getting some good info here..  So cisco has their own implementation of
HDLC..  is it compatible with other non-cisco devices (nothing particular in
mind here)?  What does the control field of a cisco HDLC frame look like?
Thanks!!!

Jeremy

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RE: Need Help ( DNS Server)

2001-02-09 Thread mjans001

Hi,
Check client hostname and domain name in local IP-stack.

PER interface DNS resolution can done in NT, but normally PER DOMAIN/PER
MACHINE. So check local IP settings.

Browse trough hostname AND domain name of the DNS server locally (ipstack)
also.

Cheers, Martijn

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Namens Shahid
Muhammad Shafi
Verzonden: maandag 5 februari 2001 4:10
Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Onderwerp: Need Help ( DNS Server)


I m just running a DNS server with Microsoft DNS
manager and I got 8 clients on the subnet. The problem
i  having here is that I can ping all the clients from
DNS Server using their FQDN but when I try to ping the
DNS server from the clients they ping it only when I
give the Hostname i.e Labserver but they dont ping it
whaen i try using Labserver.itplab.com

Any suggestions???

Thanks in advance
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RE: Which Router for BGP4 ??

2001-02-09 Thread Kane, Christopher A.

The WAN connection is often the deciding factor for model type. We typically
use 2600's for 1 to 2 T1's, 3600's for more than 2 T1's and 7200's for DS3
and above. I know each platform has more options but that's the general
baseline we run.

As far as running BGP with your ISP, you'll need to consider how many routes
you want from the ISP. You can use BGP to advertise your networks to the ISP
but that doesn't mean that you have to get your ISP's full BGP route table
advertised to you. You can simply use a default route out. If you do want
the ISP's full routing table (possibly 96,000+ routes according to Tony's
CIDR report), then you'll want atleast 64MB of RAM. You need to take into
account the BGP process, the BGP routing table (remember, it has it's own
table) and the total IP route table. If you are running something internally
(i.e. OSPF) then take that into consideration also when determining how much
RAM you'll need.

HTH,
Chris

-Original Message-
From: Javier Castillo Alcibar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 3:53 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Which Router for BGP4 ??


I think the new 265x with 128 Mbytes is a good choice.


-Mensaje original-
De: suaveguru [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Enviado el: viernes, 09 de febrero de 2001 9:05
Para: John Neiberger; Robert Nelson-Cox; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Asunto: Re: Which Router for BGP4 ??


Is 64mb enough?


regards,

suaveguru
--- John Neiberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 why not a 3640?  I've got BGP running on a 3640 and
 the router barely knows
 that it's turned on most of the time.  The processor
 usage is very low and
 I've had zero problems so far.  I do have 128 MB of
 DRAM, though.  That is
 necessary.
 
   From: "John Gesualdi" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Reply-To: "John Gesualdi" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Which Router for BGP4 ??
   Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:40:18 +
   
I need to run BGP4 with my ISP. Which
 router would you recommend I
   purchase? Should I go with a 3620,3640 or a
 2650,2651?  Thanks.
   
   None of the above, unless you want to filter just
 about everything that's
 
   useful.  You'll need about 128Meg for the full
 table IIRC.
   
   
   Why do you *need* to run BGP4?
   
   Rob./
   
   
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Re: IOS Upload

2001-02-09 Thread John Neiberger

I believe that you can configure the 2611 to be a tftp server (using the global config 
mode 'tftp-server' command) but I've never tried it.  If you can get that to work, 
connect the two routers directly together with a crossover cable or connect them both 
to a switch or hub.  This will help eliminate any other potential difficulties.

By far, the fastest method is tftp.  From ROM Monitor mode, you can do a transfer over 
the console port using xmodem.  If you're going to go this route, use the confreg 
command to raise the speed of the console port, and then use Xmodem-1K, not regular 
Xmodem, which is way too slow.  Using this method, it's still going to take an hour or 
two, IIRC.  It's not a speedy method, but it works.

I should warn you that there are some 2610 and 2611 images out there that will NOT 
work on a 2620.  Make sure you have an image that will actually run on this model.  
The one running on that 2611 may not even work.  I've done this before, and it took me 
a while to figure out why none of my interfaces were showing up.  :-)

Speaking of images, where did you get that one?  I couldn't find it on CCO, and that 
worries me.

Regards,
John


 
 Hi John,
 
 Thanks for the help,
 
 The router that is giving me this problem is a 2621, I also have a 2611 is
 it possible for me to tftp the flash from the 2611 onto my tftp server and
 then try and load that onto the 2621 or is that simply not possible. Sorry,
 probably a very novice question, but if I cant do that, what is the quickest
 and easiest way for me to get a different flash that I could try loading
 onto the router ?
 
 One more question :) ... Is it possible to sent a binary image to the router
 via the console cable ? If so does it need to be in another format or can
 you simple use something like xmodem to send the same binary image to the
 device ?
 
 Thanks
 Warrick FitzGerald
 LiveTechnology International Inc.
 
 
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  My first concern is that I have no idea what that image is.  I searched
 CCO for that image name and couldn't find it, not in the IOS upgrade planner
 or the Feature Navigator.  The only close one I could find was 12.1(2), not
 2.5, and it was about 200k bigger than the file you mention.
 
  Do you have that image running on another router?  If not, try loading a
 different image.  That one spooks me.  g
 
  Perhaps something is wrong with flash, so another option is to replace the
 flash and see if that helps.
 
  Another option is to use the -r option for tftpdnld which will load the
 image directly to DRAM instead of to flash.  If that works, then you know
 your flash is hosed.
 
  I hate to even mention it, but make sure your basic networking setup is
 correct (addresses, masks, cables, etc.)  That goes without saying, but I'll
 say it anyway.  :-)
 
  Good luck!
 
  John
 
  
   Hi,
  
   When I tried to upload my IOS image to the my 2600 router it failed.
 When
   the router rebooted it kicked into Rommon mode with an error message
 that
   reads "boot: cannot determine first file name on device "flash:"". There
 is
   a command in rommon  mode called "tftpdnld" which I run once I have set
 all
   my parameters, this is surposed to fetch the image of my tftp server. I
 see
   it connect to my TFTP server but after a second or two it times out and
 I
   dont get the image.
  
   If anyone knows why the image does not download, pls help.
  
   Filename = c2600-io3s56i-mz.121-2.5
   File Size = 8,071 KB
  
   Thanks
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   LiveTechnology International Inc.
  
  
  
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RE: not quite sure...

2001-02-09 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

In the discussion of error correction, I think an error on my part has been
missed. I was thinking about it and I wonder if this is entirely accurate:

(concerning what happens after a frame is discarded on WAN link)

"The end station will respond by acking the next packet it recieves with the
appriopriate (lower numbered) sequence number (of the missed packet). The
originating station will
get this ack (with the lower sequence number) see that the end station is
requesting a packet out of sequence and the originating station will begin
it's next transmission with the data from that particular sequence number."

Is this correct?


Emphasis:  end station.  You are describing what TCP does.  Routers 
typically are unconcerned with TCP.

And again, not all applications need reliable links, so not all 
applications will have retransmission ANYWHERE in the path.

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Re: HDLC

2001-02-09 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

 Getting some good info here..  So cisco has their own implementation of
HDLC..  is it compatible with other non-cisco devices (nothing particular in
mind here)?  What does the control field of a cisco HDLC frame look like?
Thanks!!!

Jeremy

It's a little unfair to deprecate an "implementation" of HDLC.  HDLC, 
as the standard is written, is much more an architecture for data 
link protocols than a protocol to be implemented and have multivendor 
compatibility.  LAP, LAP-B, LAP-D, and LAP-F are all HDLC subsets 
that I would expect to be interoperable.

Cisco, Codex/Motorola, Ascom/Timeplex, etc., would have made me much 
happier if they simply had said they had proprietary link protocols 
with HDLC-style framing.  Remember that PPP wasn't around at the time 
these protocols were deployed.  X.25 LAP (perhaps not LAP-B) was, 
but, again, link-level retransmission is not necessarily desirable.

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Networking White Papers (NAP and BGP)

2001-02-09 Thread Hinton Bandele-NBH281

I am setting up a NAP using 3600's and need a site or location for obtaining 
whitepapers on both NAP's and BGP.  I am going to use BGP for router redundancy across 
multiple ISPs.  Where can I find these whitepapers on these two subjects?

Thanks!

Bandele Hinton
Motorola Corporation
630-353-8286 (office)
877-992-7925 (pager)
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Re: General Networking Question

2001-02-09 Thread Jim Barksdale

I'm sure there are several people on this board willing to do contract work for you.

However, most cable modem providers require you (as a non commercial customer) to sign 
a
contract stating you will not use the machine connected to their network as a server
across their network.

If you really want to be able to do this you need to contact your cable provider and 
get
a commercial contract.

You would be using more bandwidth than the normal customer and the cable company wants
to be compensated.



Stan Bowman wrote:

 Hi there to everyone.  I have a computer question I need help with.  I am
 not super-technical with computers so forgive any of my ignorance.  My
 question relates to networking and cable modems.  I am running an
 application for my business from my computer.  My business partner lives in
 another town and she would like to be able to access the software from her
 location.  I checked with the software manufacturer and they said that the
 software supports this.  They said that we can install the application on
 both machines and that the database will reside only on my machine (the
 host).  Then, they said we need to establish a "network" between the two
 machines so that the remote machine can map a drive to my machine.

 My partner needs to map a drive to my computer so that when she logs in, she
 can point to the database located on my machine and us it for the
 application.  She is actually running the application on her machine, but
 through a mapped drive she is pointing to a database on my computer.

 Obviuosly, I could use dial-up networking and have her dial up my machine
 and map a drive that way.  This is not the desired option for a couple
 reasons.  First, my computer is NOT running NT server right now.  As I
 understand it, I would need to upgrade my machine to Windows NT Server
 before she could dial into mine.  Second, the performance over the phone
 line would most likely be too slow and negate the benefit of networking the
 application.

 My question is how can we network our to machines together using our cable
 modems.  We both access the internet via cable modems.  Both our machines
 are running win2000 (millenium).  Both of us have static ip addresses so I
 was hoping we could somehow use this to network them together.  We can ping
 each others machine through DOS without any problem, so I know that the
 communication works.

 I would welcome any suggestions on how we can solve this problem.  Once
 again, the goal is to be able to map a drive from my partner’s computer to
 mine so when she logs into the application on her machine, she can browse to
 my computer and select the database.

 Thanks in advance for your help.  Please email me if you have any questions
 or solutions.  Thanks!!

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Re: Sniffer Program

2001-02-09 Thread Peter Van Oene

Ethereal, www.ethereal.com, works for me and is free.  

It actually also has some of the freshest decodes I've seen (ie RSVP-TE/OSPF-TE etc)


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No Subject

2001-02-09 Thread Chris Sweeting

  Question I  am trying to find an updated listing of all udp and tcp
ports  so I can
 write an access list to block Real Audio, or is Real audio using port 80.
 Or is there a better way ?  Write me back at this address thanks



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Re: Pix Firewall Issue

2001-02-09 Thread Kevin O'Gilvie

Does anyone know of a vpn client for Windows 2000, I have Cisco Secure but 
it doesnt run on 2000, I need to implement a vpn solution for my company 
that will integrate with the PIX 515 that I just purchased..

Regards,

Kevin


From: "Kenny Sallee" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: "Kenny Sallee" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Pix Firewall Issue
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 15:55:14 -0800

Actually it's not a good idea to do a 'conduit permit icmp any any'.  If 
you
want ping traffic to originate inside then do this:

conduit permit icmp 208.184.23.0 255.255.255.0 any echoreply

Think about the way ping works - your workstation sends an icmp echo - the
end station sends an icmp echo-reply - which from the PIX standpoint is a
new inbound packet ( cuz it's stateless ).  Therefore - let the echo-reply
in only.  Not all ICMP messages.

Kenny

"Daniel Cotts" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
303479FA060CD211B893F805A88AA10F4C@EXCHANGE1">news:303479FA060CD211B893F805A88AA10F4C@EXCHANGE1...
  You're not telling us from where you are pinging. From the PIX? From a
host
  behind the Firewall? From a host outside the Firewall?
  Anyway this command is good to have in later versions if you want pings 
to
  traverse the PIX.
  conduit permit icmp any any
  You may also want to modify that command or eliminate it, if you want to
  enforce a stronger policy.
 
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/iaabu/pix/pix_v50/config/con
  fig.htm#xtocid1091627
 
   -Original Message-
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   Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 1:09 PM
   To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
   Subject: Pix Firewall Issue
  
  
   Hi Gang,
  
   I have a Pix Firewall 520 and wondered if this was a feature or a
   configuration issue on my firwall.  We have an entire class C
   address say
   208.184.23.x to use for our network. We use the 192.168.1.x
   network for our
   internal network.  I am having problems pinging a machine's
   Internet ip
   address say 208.184.23.11 which I noticed is statically mapped to it's
   internal address say 192.168.1.10 on the pix.
  
   For example, If I ping another box 208.184.23.12 and not
   statically mapped
   to a internal ip address on the pix, I get a response.
  
   Any help or hints would be greatly appreciated.
  
   Thanks!
  
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OSPF: ASBR/ABR

2001-02-09 Thread West, Karl


Need suggestion:

Has anyone ever implemented OSPF where they had their router been an ASBR
and a ABR at the same time and if so was there any problems? I have to
connect a non OSPF router to my AGG router (ABR). I really don't want to do
any redistribution on the ABR routers but the powers that be are cheap :-)
Before I even go into the lab I just want to get some feed back from anyone.

Thanks
Karl

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Re: Has anyone seen a 2901 that has the same i.o.s as 5000 switch

2001-02-09 Thread Victor Oisaghie

Jeff,

Technically, the 2901 is part of the C5000 Family of
products (Its replacement was the C5002) and runs the
same CATOS as the 5000. I don't remember the version
in which support for the 2901 stops, but you could
have a 2901 and a 5002 running CATOS 2.3. So the
answer to your question is yes.

Please remember that these products run CATOS and not
IOS as your note suggests. IOS is however supported as
a direct download to RSM / RSFC and ATM blades in a
C5XXX chasis.

Hope this helps

Victor
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Re:

2001-02-09 Thread Lowell Sharrah

this is where I look:

http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/iana/assignments/port-numbers

 Chris Sweeting [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/09/01 10:23AM 
  Question I  am trying to find an updated listing of all udp and tcp
ports  so I can
 write an access list to block Real Audio, or is Real audio using port 80.
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Re: Hacking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2001-02-09 Thread Luke

Rick,

PMI (pardon my ignorance), I can say it as well as spell it but what the
hell is it and where can I get some.  TIA.

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 Can you say NIDS? A must have for a multilayer security posture.
 Security does not start, or end for that matter with just a firewall..!!

 -Original Message-
 From: JCoyne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 7:55 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Hacking!


 Read the book Hacking Exposed 2nd edition.


 "imran obaidullah" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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  htmlDIVHi Friends,/DIV
  DIVnbsp;/DIV
  DIVI need some information on hacking which is surely to gain
knowledge
 and secure my corporate n/w. My office has Cisco 3600 Router for internet
 connaction. /DIV
  DIVnbsp;/DIV
  DIV1. How can someone hack the Router./DIV
  DIV2. If internet uses is trying to hack webserver using a hacking
tool
 which is usingnbsp;port 80, how the administrator can block this action
 still allowing the trusted users to access the webserver./DIV
  DIVnbsp;/DIV
  DIVThanks and Regards/DIV
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RE: Hacking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2001-02-09 Thread Stanfield Hilman B (Brad) CONT NSSG

Network Intrusion Detection Systems
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-Original Message-
From: Luke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 10:43 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Hacking!


Rick,

PMI (pardon my ignorance), I can say it as well as spell it but what the
hell is it and where can I get some.  TIA.

""Watson, Rick, CTR, OUSDC"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
 Can you say NIDS? A must have for a multilayer security posture.
 Security does not start, or end for that matter with just a firewall..!!

 -Original Message-
 From: JCoyne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 7:55 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Hacking!


 Read the book Hacking Exposed 2nd edition.


 "imran obaidullah" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
  htmlDIVHi Friends,/DIV
  DIVnbsp;/DIV
  DIVI need some information on hacking which is surely to gain
knowledge
 and secure my corporate n/w. My office has Cisco 3600 Router for internet
 connaction. /DIV
  DIVnbsp;/DIV
  DIV1. How can someone hack the Router./DIV
  DIV2. If internet uses is trying to hack webserver using a hacking
tool
 which is usingnbsp;port 80, how the administrator can block this action
 still allowing the trusted users to access the webserver./DIV
  DIVnbsp;/DIV
  DIVThanks and Regards/DIV
  DIVnbsp;/DIV
  DIVimran/DIV
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RE: not quite sure...

2001-02-09 Thread Christopher Larson

Right, I am speaking of the process between end stations here.  My thinking
is, if the router discarded the frame, then the originating station would
not get an ack out of sequence from the remote end station because the
packet was dropped (therefore the remote never got something to ack). 

The originating station would actually retransmit because it did not get an
ack from the remote.

Right?

 Unless TCP has negotiated that x number of packets can be transmitted w/o
an ack. Which I know can be done, but don't know how common it is.



-Original Message-
From: Howard C. Berkowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 10:06 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: not quite sure...


In the discussion of error correction, I think an error on my part has been
missed. I was thinking about it and I wonder if this is entirely accurate:

(concerning what happens after a frame is discarded on WAN link)

"The end station will respond by acking the next packet it recieves with
the
appriopriate (lower numbered) sequence number (of the missed packet). The
originating station will
get this ack (with the lower sequence number) see that the end station is
requesting a packet out of sequence and the originating station will begin
it's next transmission with the data from that particular sequence number."

Is this correct?


Emphasis:  end station.  You are describing what TCP does.  Routers 
typically are unconcerned with TCP.

And again, not all applications need reliable links, so not all 
applications will have retransmission ANYWHERE in the path.

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RE:

2001-02-09 Thread Evan Francen

Check this link for the IANA assigned numbers, and other non-IANA registered
numbers:

http://www.sockets.com/services.htm

RealPlayer/RealAudio is very hard to filter because it can be configured to
run over TCP port 80 (HTTP).

So there ya go,
Evan

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Subject: 


  Question I  am trying to find an updated listing of all udp and tcp
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 write an access list to block Real Audio, or is Real audio using port 80.
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RE: not quite sure...

2001-02-09 Thread Leigh Anne Chisholm

Howard's correct.  Think about voice - do you really want voice packets
retransmitted?  Due to delay and sequencing issues, likely not...

Understanding each protocol and its capabilities is the best way to
understand where retransmission occurs.  Some protocols have both error
detection and error correction mechanisms as part of its design.  Some
protocols have simply error detection mechanisms but lack the capability to
have the missing information resent--in such a case, protocols at higher
layers are responsible for seeing data be retransmitted.  And finally, some
protocols have no error detection or correction capabilities.  In my
original "not quite sure" post, I purposely asked how certain data link
layer protocols detect the loss of a "packet" because of the four listed,
each fits into one of the three above categories.

Error detection and correction begins at the lowest layers of the OSI model
and works its way upwards through the protocol stack.  As Howard pointed
out, not all applications find retransmission desirable so you might not
find retransmission capabilities anywhere within the protocol set used for
transmission.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Howard C. Berkowitz
Sent: February 9, 2001 8:06 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: not quite sure...


In the discussion of error correction, I think an error on my part has been
missed. I was thinking about it and I wonder if this is entirely accurate:

(concerning what happens after a frame is discarded on WAN link)

"The end station will respond by acking the next packet it recieves with
the
appriopriate (lower numbered) sequence number (of the missed packet). The
originating station will
get this ack (with the lower sequence number) see that the end station is
requesting a packet out of sequence and the originating station will begin
it's next transmission with the data from that particular sequence number."

Is this correct?


Emphasis:  end station.  You are describing what TCP does.  Routers
typically are unconcerned with TCP.

And again, not all applications need reliable links, so not all
applications will have retransmission ANYWHERE in the path.

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Win2k and PIX IPSec?

2001-02-09 Thread Ben Hockenhull

Has anyone sucessfully set up an IPSec tunnel between a Windows 2000
client running the native Win2k IPSec stack and a PIX?  If so, do you
have a sample config?

I'm able to establish an SA between the PIX and the Win2k box, but I'm
unable to pass traffic.  For instance, a ping from inside the PIX to the
Win2k box outside the PIX results in an SA being established, but the
packets are not passed, and a debug shows a "check crypto map deny".

The access lists for nat 0 and for the encrypted traffic are identical and
applied.

Pix code 5.2.x.

Thanks

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RE: Hacking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2001-02-09 Thread Watson, Rick, CTR, OUSDC

Network Intrusion Detection System - when looking to evaluate a product look
at both host-based and network-based solutions. Each type compliments one
another. I can remember only one product that is a "quasi-hybrid" mix of
both host and network-based. I think it is from ISS (Internet Security
Systems).

-Original Message-
From: Luke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 10:43 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Hacking!


Rick,

PMI (pardon my ignorance), I can say it as well as spell it but what the
hell is it and where can I get some.  TIA.

""Watson, Rick, CTR, OUSDC"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
 Can you say NIDS? A must have for a multilayer security posture.
 Security does not start, or end for that matter with just a firewall..!!

 -Original Message-
 From: JCoyne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 7:55 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Hacking!


 Read the book Hacking Exposed 2nd edition.


 "imran obaidullah" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
  htmlDIVHi Friends,/DIV
  DIVnbsp;/DIV
  DIVI need some information on hacking which is surely to gain
knowledge
 and secure my corporate n/w. My office has Cisco 3600 Router for internet
 connaction. /DIV
  DIVnbsp;/DIV
  DIV1. How can someone hack the Router./DIV
  DIV2. If internet uses is trying to hack webserver using a hacking
tool
 which is usingnbsp;port 80, how the administrator can block this action
 still allowing the trusted users to access the webserver./DIV
  DIVnbsp;/DIV
  DIVThanks and Regards/DIV
  DIVnbsp;/DIV
  DIVimran/DIV
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RE: distribute list in EIGRP

2001-02-09 Thread West, Karl

If you do a Clear ip route *   that will get the routes in faster! EIGRP
just relearn it's neighbors/routes with out the effects of the distribute
list.

Karl

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Hi Group,

A quick question.  If a distribute list has be
established in EIGRP for a while, and you remove the
list.  How long will it take for the new route to be
discovered?  And how EIGRP is acting in this case.

Thanks in advance.

Adam

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Re: Win2k and PIX IPSec?

2001-02-09 Thread Kenny Sallee

I've had that error before.  It was between 2 PIX's though.  The fix ( on
both sides ) was to do a "clear crypto ipsec sa" and "clear crypto isakmp
sa".  And then it worked.  It was like the SA's got outa sync or something.
Or one side had a valid SA and the other didn't.  On a side note - have you
tried to use 'pl-compatable' instead of NAT 0?  Pl-compat bypasses all
translation and conduit requirements, effectivly terminating the tunnel on
the inside interface or whichever interface the traffic is destined for.

Kenny

"Ben Hockenhull" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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 Has anyone sucessfully set up an IPSec tunnel between a Windows 2000
 client running the native Win2k IPSec stack and a PIX?  If so, do you
 have a sample config?

 I'm able to establish an SA between the PIX and the Win2k box, but I'm
 unable to pass traffic.  For instance, a ping from inside the PIX to the
 Win2k box outside the PIX results in an SA being established, but the
 packets are not passed, and a debug shows a "check crypto map deny".

 The access lists for nat 0 and for the encrypted traffic are identical and
 applied.

 Pix code 5.2.x.

 Thanks

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RE: Win2k and PIX IPSec?

2001-02-09 Thread Christopher Larson

I have not done it in awhile, and I don't have a config. However, when I did
do it you had to setup an l2tp tunnel first between win2k and the router and
then run ipsec through the l2tp tunnel.

-Original Message-
From: Ben Hockenhull [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 10:57 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Win2k and PIX IPSec?


Has anyone sucessfully set up an IPSec tunnel between a Windows 2000
client running the native Win2k IPSec stack and a PIX?  If so, do you
have a sample config?

I'm able to establish an SA between the PIX and the Win2k box, but I'm
unable to pass traffic.  For instance, a ping from inside the PIX to the
Win2k box outside the PIX results in an SA being established, but the
packets are not passed, and a debug shows a "check crypto map deny".

The access lists for nat 0 and for the encrypted traffic are identical and
applied.

Pix code 5.2.x.

Thanks

Ben


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Re: Pix Firewall Issue

2001-02-09 Thread Kenny Sallee

Right now there is no Win2k client available from Cisco.  There is a beta
out of the Altiga 3000 client - which can work with the PIX as well.  You
may be able to call TAC and request a copy.  Though if you are hiding behind
PAT and terminating on a PIX you are still SOL.  The alternative for win2k
clients is PPTP with MPPE.  Very simple to implement and is a hold over
until the 2k client is available.  You can either terminate on the PIX and
use Funk software radius server ( cisco secure ACS doesn't support MPPE ), a
local database created on the PIX, or put a beefy win2k server in a DMZ and
pass the PPTP traffic to that server.  It'll need to be dual homed and
secure as much as possible.  Good luck

Kenny

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: Pix Firewall Issue


 Does anyone know of a vpn client for Windows 2000, I have Cisco Secure but
 it doesnt run on 2000, I need to implement a vpn solution for my company
 that will integrate with the PIX 515 that I just purchased..

 Regards,

 Kevin


 From: "Kenny Sallee" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: "Kenny Sallee" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Pix Firewall Issue
 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 15:55:14 -0800
 
 Actually it's not a good idea to do a 'conduit permit icmp any any'.  If
 you
 want ping traffic to originate inside then do this:
 
 conduit permit icmp 208.184.23.0 255.255.255.0 any echoreply
 
 Think about the way ping works - your workstation sends an icmp echo -
the
 end station sends an icmp echo-reply - which from the PIX standpoint is a
 new inbound packet ( cuz it's stateless ).  Therefore - let the
echo-reply
 in only.  Not all ICMP messages.
 
 Kenny
 
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 303479FA060CD211B893F805A88AA10F4C@EXCHANGE1">news:303479FA060CD211B893F805A88AA10F4C@EXCHANGE1...
   You're not telling us from where you are pinging. From the PIX? From a
 host
   behind the Firewall? From a host outside the Firewall?
   Anyway this command is good to have in later versions if you want
pings
 to
   traverse the PIX.
   conduit permit icmp any any
   You may also want to modify that command or eliminate it, if you want
to
   enforce a stronger policy.
  

http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/iaabu/pix/pix_v50/config/co
n
   fig.htm#xtocid1091627
  
-Original Message-
From: exchange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 1:09 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: Pix Firewall Issue
   
   
Hi Gang,
   
I have a Pix Firewall 520 and wondered if this was a feature or a
configuration issue on my firwall.  We have an entire class C
address say
208.184.23.x to use for our network. We use the 192.168.1.x
network for our
internal network.  I am having problems pinging a machine's
Internet ip
address say 208.184.23.11 which I noticed is statically mapped to
it's
internal address say 192.168.1.10 on the pix.
   
For example, If I ping another box 208.184.23.12 and not
statically mapped
to a internal ip address on the pix, I get a response.
   
Any help or hints would be greatly appreciated.
   
Thanks!
   
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remote access?

2001-02-09 Thread Paver, Charles

Hi.  I have a 1602 router, as well as a 2514 router at home.  And an
external modem.  I was wondering, is there any way to connect from say,
work, to home, via pcanywhere, or dial in to the router to control it?

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simple BW question

2001-02-09 Thread pat

Everryone:

   If I have a 56K modem does that mean I have 56k
upstrem BW  56 K down stream BW or I have total of 5k
BW.

The reason I am asking is I have 1MB BW from ISP.
The ISP feed comes into Firewall. most of traffic is
downstream that is traffic is going inside the
company, as everybody uses internet  download mails.
Now if I have remote VPN users who connect to
their ISP  then establish VPN seession with the VPN
server sitting behind firewall.  They access internal
windows network mostly to download files from shared
folder. This traffic is mostly outbound.
 Does the VPN users get full 1MB BW for outgoing
traffic OR is 1MB is shared by both internal 
external users.

Can somebody give some clarifications?

thanks in advance.


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RE: not quite sure...

2001-02-09 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

Right, I am speaking of the process between end stations here.  My thinking
is, if the router discarded the frame, then the originating station would
not get an ack out of sequence from the remote end station because the
packet was dropped (therefore the remote never got something to ack).

The originating station would actually retransmit because it did not get an
ack from the remote.

Right?

  Unless TCP has negotiated that x number of packets can be transmitted w/o
an ack. Which I know can be done, but don't know how common it is.


Not the number of packets, but the number of bytes.  The usual 
practice is to use a slow start mechanism, where TCP starts with one 
byte per ACK, then keeps increasing the window until delay or 
congestion limits performance (vast simplification).




-Original Message-
From: Howard C. Berkowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 10:06 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: not quite sure...


In the discussion of error correction, I think an error on my part has been
missed. I was thinking about it and I wonder if this is entirely accurate:

(concerning what happens after a frame is discarded on WAN link)

"The end station will respond by acking the next packet it recieves with
the
appriopriate (lower numbered) sequence number (of the missed packet). The
originating station will
get this ack (with the lower sequence number) see that the end station is
requesting a packet out of sequence and the originating station will begin
it's next transmission with the data from that particular sequence number."

Is this correct?


Emphasis:  end station.  You are describing what TCP does.  Routers
typically are unconcerned with TCP.

And again, not all applications need reliable links, so not all
applications will have retransmission ANYWHERE in the path.

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Re: Pix Firewall Issue

2001-02-09 Thread Kevin O'Gilvie

Can you point me in the right direction of where I can research the 
alternatives..

Regards,

Kevin


From: "Kenny Sallee" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Kevin O'Gilvie" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Pix Firewall Issue
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 08:23:24 -0800

Right now there is no Win2k client available from Cisco.  There is a beta
out of the Altiga 3000 client - which can work with the PIX as well.  You
may be able to call TAC and request a copy.  Though if you are hiding 
behind
PAT and terminating on a PIX you are still SOL.  The alternative for win2k
clients is PPTP with MPPE.  Very simple to implement and is a hold over
until the 2k client is available.  You can either terminate on the PIX and
use Funk software radius server ( cisco secure ACS doesn't support MPPE ), 
a
local database created on the PIX, or put a beefy win2k server in a DMZ and
pass the PPTP traffic to that server.  It'll need to be dual homed and
secure as much as possible.  Good luck

Kenny

- Original Message -
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: Pix Firewall Issue


  Does anyone know of a vpn client for Windows 2000, I have Cisco Secure 
but
  it doesnt run on 2000, I need to implement a vpn solution for my company
  that will integrate with the PIX 515 that I just purchased..
 
  Regards,
 
  Kevin
 
 
  From: "Kenny Sallee" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Reply-To: "Kenny Sallee" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: Pix Firewall Issue
  Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 15:55:14 -0800
  
  Actually it's not a good idea to do a 'conduit permit icmp any any'.  
If
  you
  want ping traffic to originate inside then do this:
  
  conduit permit icmp 208.184.23.0 255.255.255.0 any echoreply
  
  Think about the way ping works - your workstation sends an icmp echo -
the
  end station sends an icmp echo-reply - which from the PIX standpoint is 
a
  new inbound packet ( cuz it's stateless ).  Therefore - let the
echo-reply
  in only.  Not all ICMP messages.
  
  Kenny
  
  "Daniel Cotts" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
  303479FA060CD211B893F805A88AA10F4C@EXCHANGE1">news:303479FA060CD211B893F805A88AA10F4C@EXCHANGE1...
You're not telling us from where you are pinging. From the PIX? From 
a
  host
behind the Firewall? From a host outside the Firewall?
Anyway this command is good to have in later versions if you want
pings
  to
traverse the PIX.
conduit permit icmp any any
You may also want to modify that command or eliminate it, if you 
want
to
enforce a stronger policy.
   
 
 http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/iaabu/pix/pix_v50/config/co
n
fig.htm#xtocid1091627
   
 -Original Message-
 From: exchange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 1:09 PM
 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
 Subject: Pix Firewall Issue


 Hi Gang,

 I have a Pix Firewall 520 and wondered if this was a feature or a
 configuration issue on my firwall.  We have an entire class C
 address say
 208.184.23.x to use for our network. We use the 192.168.1.x
 network for our
 internal network.  I am having problems pinging a machine's
 Internet ip
 address say 208.184.23.11 which I noticed is statically mapped to
it's
 internal address say 192.168.1.10 on the pix.

 For example, If I ping another box 208.184.23.12 and not
 statically mapped
 to a internal ip address on the pix, I get a response.

 Any help or hints would be greatly appreciated.

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RE: distribute list in EIGRP

2001-02-09 Thread John Neiberger

But what about this situation?  

Assume two routers, A and B.  Router A has an outgoing distribute list set to filter 
the routes seen by router B.  Doing nothing else, if you remove the distribute list 
from A, how long will it be until Router B sees the previously filtered routes?  Does 
it learn them at all?  If not, why not?  If yes, is there a way to speed up the 
process?

 
 If you do a Clear ip route *   that will get the routes in faster! EIGRP
 just relearn it's neighbors/routes with out the effects of the distribute
 list.
 
 Karl
 
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 Subject: distribute list in EIGRP
 
 
 Hi Group,
 
 A quick question.  If a distribute list has be
 established in EIGRP for a while, and you remove the
 list.  How long will it take for the new route to be
 discovered?  And how EIGRP is acting in this case.
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
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No Subject

2001-02-09 Thread Walid Al-Sadeq

Dear fellows,

Currently I am getting started to prepare for ccnp and I bought prep library
from Cisco Press for this purpose. As a matter of fact my real and deep
concern right now is "practice" the various commands throughout this track.
When i got my ccna, i attended ICND class, hands-on was very successful and
i am very aware of dealing with switches and routers. Of course, now i am
not attending any class but the hands-on still needed. 

At work, i am not authorized to work with those products since i was not the
guy in-charge from beginning. Thought about buying router simulator software
that fulfils the needful, BUT there aren't any dedicated for such thing as
have been informed by specialized firms on Internet. I know that buying
those stuff will solve the issue in the first place . but the truth that
they are costly enough for me not being able to afford  

Please recommend me some solution  deeply appreciate in advance your
positive assistance

Willie



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ATM PVC statistics via SNMP

2001-02-09 Thread Vladimir Litovka

Hello,

I'm using PA-A3-OC3 card in 7200 w/ NSE-1 card and IOS 12.1(5)T1 and
trying to get information about traffic amount
through ATM VCs (from interface, named as "ATM0/0.xxx-aal5 layer").
There are two places in SNMP tree, where is this
information is available - standart interfaces.* section and
cAal5VccTable (from CISCO-AAL5-MIB). Values from both
are same and quite incorrect - calculated traffic on FastEthernet0/0 is
about 7Mbps, while this one, calculated on
ATM subif, is about 300-500Kbps! In this test configuration all traffic,
which came on ATM interface, goes out to
FastEthernet, so I expect same values on both interfaces.

Is it possible to get true values about traffic on ATM interface?

Thank you.

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Broadcast LMI Keepalives?

2001-02-09 Thread John Neiberger

We have a circuit that is having pretty severe problems.  No errors are being seen at 
the router serial interface, but we are experiencing about 50% packet loss (500 byte 
packets) incoming.  I've just noticed something else that is odd.  For each incoming 
LMI response, the number of received broadcasts increments.  

Serial0 is up, line protocol is up
  Hardware is HD64570
  Description: 24.YBGA.xx
  MTU 1500 bytes, BW 1544 Kbit, DLY 2 usec, rely 255/255, load 2/255
  Encapsulation FRAME-RELAY, loopback not set, keepalive set (10 sec)
  LMI enq sent  235, LMI stat recvd 218, LMI upd recvd 0, DTE LMI up
  LMI enq recvd 0, LMI stat sent  0, LMI upd sent  0
  LMI DLCI 1023  LMI type is CISCO  frame relay DTE
  Broadcast queue 0/64, broadcasts sent/dropped 1135/0, interface broadcasts 1018
  Last input 00:00:00, output 00:00:00, output hang never
  Last clearing of "show interface" counters 00:39:18
  Input queue: 1/75/0 (size/max/drops); Total output drops: 0
  Queueing strategy: weighted fair  
  Output queue: 0/1000/64/0 (size/max total/threshold/drops)
 Conversations  0/23/256 (active/max active/max total)
 Reserved Conversations 0/0 (allocated/max allocated)
  5 minute input rate 17000 bits/sec, 7 packets/sec
  5 minute output rate 14000 bits/sec, 9 packets/sec
 20505 packets input, 5242248 bytes, 0 no buffer
 Received 218 broadcasts, 0 runts, 0 giants, 0 throttles
 0 input errors, 0 CRC, 0 frame, 0 overrun, 0 ignored, 0 abort
 26000 packets output, 5145390 bytes, 0 underruns
 0 output errors, 0 collisions, 0 interface resets
   0 output buffer failures, 0 output buffers swapped out
0 carrier transitions
 DCD=up  DSR=up  DTR=up  RTS=up  CTS=up

Because some keepalives are being missed, does that cause the frame switch to change 
the way it sends them?  I couldn't find any other example of LMI keepalives causing 
the broadcast counters to increase, and I checked this on interfaces using both Cisco 
and ANSI LMI.

any ideas?

thanks,
John


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BGP Tutorial--anyone know a good one?

2001-02-09 Thread Leonardo Silva - Tecnologia

Hello!

I'm looking for a BGP tutorial.

If anyone know one it will help a lot.

Tks.

Leonardo Silva

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RE: deleting of my loopback interface

2001-02-09 Thread West, Karl

no int loopback #

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Sorry anyone knows how to delete a loopback interface
if it is incorrectly created?


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Re: BGP Tutorial--anyone know a good one?

2001-02-09 Thread Vladimir Litovka

Leonardo Silva - Tecnologia wrote:
 
 I'm looking for a BGP tutorial.
 
 If anyone know one it will help a lot.

http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/cisintwk/ics/icsbgp4.htm

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RE: Broadcast LMI Keepalives?

2001-02-09 Thread Matt Street

As for your CKT issues the router is dropping LMI packets.  From just the
output given below it looks like the local bell probably has a transmit
issue from your site to the end carrier (ie WCOM).  I suggest opening a tkt
with your frame-relay provider to resolve the issue.  As for your broadcast
question I do not know the answer of the top of my head.  Could luck with
your Frame-Relay provider.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
John Neiberger
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 11:57 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Broadcast LMI Keepalives?


We have a circuit that is having pretty severe problems.  No errors are
being seen at the router serial interface, but we are experiencing about 50%
packet loss (500 byte packets) incoming.  I've just noticed something else
that is odd.  For each incoming LMI response, the number of received
broadcasts increments.

Serial0 is up, line protocol is up
  Hardware is HD64570
  Description: 24.YBGA.xx
  MTU 1500 bytes, BW 1544 Kbit, DLY 2 usec, rely 255/255, load 2/255
  Encapsulation FRAME-RELAY, loopback not set, keepalive set (10 sec)
  LMI enq sent  235, LMI stat recvd 218, LMI upd recvd 0, DTE LMI up
  LMI enq recvd 0, LMI stat sent  0, LMI upd sent  0
  LMI DLCI 1023  LMI type is CISCO  frame relay DTE
  Broadcast queue 0/64, broadcasts sent/dropped 1135/0, interface broadcasts
1018
  Last input 00:00:00, output 00:00:00, output hang never
  Last clearing of "show interface" counters 00:39:18
  Input queue: 1/75/0 (size/max/drops); Total output drops: 0
  Queueing strategy: weighted fair
  Output queue: 0/1000/64/0 (size/max total/threshold/drops)
 Conversations  0/23/256 (active/max active/max total)
 Reserved Conversations 0/0 (allocated/max allocated)
  5 minute input rate 17000 bits/sec, 7 packets/sec
  5 minute output rate 14000 bits/sec, 9 packets/sec
 20505 packets input, 5242248 bytes, 0 no buffer
 Received 218 broadcasts, 0 runts, 0 giants, 0 throttles
 0 input errors, 0 CRC, 0 frame, 0 overrun, 0 ignored, 0 abort
 26000 packets output, 5145390 bytes, 0 underruns
 0 output errors, 0 collisions, 0 interface resets
   0 output buffer failures, 0 output buffers swapped out
0 carrier transitions
 DCD=up  DSR=up  DTR=up  RTS=up  CTS=up

Because some keepalives are being missed, does that cause the frame switch
to change the way it sends them?  I couldn't find any other example of LMI
keepalives causing the broadcast counters to increase, and I checked this on
interfaces using both Cisco and ANSI LMI.

any ideas?

thanks,
John


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Re: BGP Tutorial--anyone know a good one?

2001-02-09 Thread Casey Fahey

There is a good Power Point presentation in two parts in the Presentations 
section on the DFW Cisco Users Group web site :

http://www.cisco-users.org/previous_meetings.htm

HTH,

Casey Fahey, CCNP, MCSE


Hello!

I'm looking for a BGP tutorial.

If anyone know one it will help a lot.

Tks.

Leonardo Silva

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RE: BGP Tutorial--anyone know a good one?

2001-02-09 Thread Coker, Michael

http://joe.lindsay.net/bgp.html
There is a Tutorial link half way down the page that presents a slide show
tutorial.

I've also found this link to be good.
http://www.netaxs.com/~freedman/bgp/bgp.html

In addition, Cisco's site has a ton of info.  Here's a few links.
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/459/14.html
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios121/121cgcr/ip_c
/ipcprt2/1cdbgp.htm
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/cisintwk/ics/icsbgp4.htm

Best Regards,

--Mike

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 Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 9:03 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Hello!
 
 I'm looking for a BGP tutorial.
 
 If anyone know one it will help a lot.
 
 Tks.
 
 Leonardo Silva
 
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Re:

2001-02-09 Thread John Neiberger

Try this link, it might be one option:

http://www.routersim.com/commerce/Pricing_SwitchSim.htm

It doesn't appear that they have router modules for CCNP yet.

Regards,
John

 
 Dear fellows,
 
 Currently I am getting started to prepare for ccnp and I bought prep library
 from Cisco Press for this purpose. As a matter of fact my real and deep
 concern right now is "practice" the various commands throughout this track.
 When i got my ccna, i attended ICND class, hands-on was very successful and
 i am very aware of dealing with switches and routers. Of course, now i am
 not attending any class but the hands-on still needed. 
 
 At work, i am not authorized to work with those products since i was not the
 guy in-charge from beginning. Thought about buying router simulator software
 that fulfils the needful, BUT there aren't any dedicated for such thing as
 have been informed by specialized firms on Internet. I know that buying
 those stuff will solve the issue in the first place . but the truth that
 they are costly enough for me not being able to afford  
 
 Please recommend me some solution  deeply appreciate in advance your
 positive assistance
 
 Willie
 
 
 
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Silly Question!

2001-02-09 Thread Pierre-Alex

Do you know that the letters in "IOS" stand for? (Like in Cisco IOS 12.0)

Pierre-Alex

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Pierre

This came back into my mailbox this morning.

Dale

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Pierre

I think what they are trying to say is that by using vlsms you are getting
as much efficiency as possible out of the addressing scheme (using a .252
for instance) so that using multipoint does not gain you anything.  After
all, you still have to have a seperate address within the subnet for each
circuit.  A .248 has six useable hosts, using multipoint with it would not
gain you much.  I would prefer to use point-to-point and use a /30 mask.

Dale
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 Pierre-Alex wrote:
On page 14-28 (ICND) It says:

"Multipoint may not save you addresses if you are using VLSMs"

What is the rational behind this statement. I would think that using a long
subnet mask (i.e. 255.255.255.248 ) would not waste any ip address!




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Hi

2001-02-09 Thread Our Mail

Hi Group,

Please provide me with CCNP study links.=20

Thanks in advance.

Naveen

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Re:

2001-02-09 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

Dear fellows,

Currently I am getting started to prepare for ccnp and I bought prep library
from Cisco Press for this purpose. As a matter of fact my real and deep
concern right now is "practice" the various commands throughout this track.
When i got my ccna, i attended ICND class, hands-on was very successful and
i am very aware of dealing with switches and routers. Of course, now i am
not attending any class but the hands-on still needed.

At work, i am not authorized to work with those products since i was not the
guy in-charge from beginning. Thought about buying router simulator software
that fulfils the needful, BUT there aren't any dedicated for such thing as
have been informed by specialized firms on Internet. I know that buying
those stuff will solve the issue in the first place . but the truth that
they are costly enough for me not being able to afford 


Is there any chance your management might permit you to have 
user-level access to the equipment at work?  While most people think 
in terms of configuring scenarios, there's still a lot of information 
you can get simply from displays -- and you will also get hands-on 
experience in using the CLI.

Router simulators, in my opinion, are either impractical or are no 
more than pre-scripted computer assisted instruction.

Remotely accessed labs are an option.

I know I could look up the TLD, but are you in Qatar?
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Re: Silly Question!

2001-02-09 Thread Raj Singh

It stands for "Internetwork Operating System"

A little blurb from Cisco's web site:
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/732/ciscoios.html

- raj

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 Do you know that the letters in "IOS" stand for? (Like in Cisco IOS 12.0)

 Pierre-Alex

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 Pierre

 This came back into my mailbox this morning.

 Dale

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 Pierre

 I think what they are trying to say is that by using vlsms you are getting
 as much efficiency as possible out of the addressing scheme (using a .252
 for instance) so that using multipoint does not gain you anything.  After
 all, you still have to have a seperate address within the subnet for each
 circuit.  A .248 has six useable hosts, using multipoint with it would not
 gain you much.  I would prefer to use point-to-point and use a /30 mask.

 Dale
 --

 On Fri, 2 Feb 2001 09:27:47
  Pierre-Alex wrote:
 On page 14-28 (ICND) It says:
 
 "Multipoint may not save you addresses if you are using VLSMs"
 
 What is the rational behind this statement. I would think that using a
long
 subnet mask (i.e. 255.255.255.248 ) would not waste any ip address!
 
 


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Re: BGP Tutorial--anyone know a good one?

2001-02-09 Thread Raj Singh

Try Avi Freedman's:

BGP 101
http://www.freedman.net/bigbgp.ppt

and BGP 102
http://www.freedman.net/bgp102.ppt

tutorials.

Also you should look into the Internet Routing Architectures 2nd edition, by
Sam Halabi.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/157870233X/qid=981739964/sr=1-1/ref=s
c_b_1/107-3760323-1100541

- raj

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Campus Networks

2001-02-09 Thread anthony kim

Can anyone recommend a substitute for

Designing Campus Networks
by Terri Quinn-Andry

Not for CCDA/CCDP, but if those are suitable/comparable references
I'm willing to check them out. Something I can send to a "sales" type
of person would be great.

TIA,
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RE: Silly Question!

2001-02-09 Thread Buri, Heather H

IOS = Internetwork Operating System


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Do you know that the letters in "IOS" stand for? (Like in Cisco IOS 12.0)

Pierre-Alex

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Pierre

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Pierre

I think what they are trying to say is that by using vlsms you are getting
as much efficiency as possible out of the addressing scheme (using a .252
for instance) so that using multipoint does not gain you anything.  After
all, you still have to have a seperate address within the subnet for each
circuit.  A .248 has six useable hosts, using multipoint with it would not
gain you much.  I would prefer to use point-to-point and use a /30 mask.

Dale
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On Fri, 2 Feb 2001 09:27:47
 Pierre-Alex wrote:
On page 14-28 (ICND) It says:

"Multipoint may not save you addresses if you are using VLSMs"

What is the rational behind this statement. I would think that using a long
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question re: selling a 2524

2001-02-09 Thread fbusta1

Hi,

I am looking to sell a Cisco 2524 router with a FT1/T1 csu/dsu
(can include an extra FT1/T1 if needed).  I got this box as part
of a package deal and do not need it.  What price should I expect
to get out of it?

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Prioirty Queuing Numbers

2001-02-09 Thread Tim Lovelace

I have been playing with priority queuing today and noticed something that I
thought was odd. I setup a very basic queue with the following commands.

access-list 150 permit tcp any any eq lpd
priority-list 1 protocol ip low list 150

then on the serial interface

interface Serial0/0
 priority-group 1

All seems well. I sent a printout to a print using lpd/lpr and all seemed
well. I executed the command below to check my queue numbers:

ROUTER#sh queueing interface s0/0
Interface Serial0/0 queueing strategy: priority

Output queue utilization (queue/count)
high/3564 medium/0 normal/1684 low/6


Considering I only defined a queue for low, why would the high count be so
large? It could be normal as I am just playing with it for the first time
but these seems out of place to me.

Thanks

Tim


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CSU/DSU question

2001-02-09 Thread Moahzam Durrani

I have an old csu/dsu (rad  fcd 1 ) conected to a 7500 router. we use this
T1  to enable two of our sites to communicate point to point (all is working
at the moment). However I am trying to implement that same connection with a
2610 with a built in csu/dsu. Originally I configure the Controller on the
2610 to use ESF framing , B8ZS and PPP encapsulation.  This router was in
operation before , being used as an Internet router 
so I know the HW is good. Hower when i connected the 2610 with the new
config (wiped out old onfig when used for internet) to the TI (provided by
PAC BELL) being use on the 7500 I got some weird results. 
serial x (reset) , line prot down

Then I changed the encapsultion to HDLC ,that got rid of the reset , and
changed the framing to SF . When I changed to framing ,  i got se up, line
prot  up , then few seconds later  i did a sh int  and saw the  up , down.
I tested my controller to make sure HW is ok by connecting it to one of the
T1'S providing internet access. It worked fine , off course I had to change
to esf, b8zs and ppp.

Is it the telco who prvides us what we should use as framing, linecode and
encapsulation?  or does it depend on the csu/dsu being used.  ??? 

 

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IOS firewall feature set

2001-02-09 Thread Kazemian, Moe

Hi to all
I would like to know how to activate a IOS firewall on 2600.
The router is running IOS 12.0 T3 (c2600-i-mz.120-3.T3) with 8 meg flash and
24576K/8192K bytes of memory.
Do I need to buy a separate software or there is an activation key.
Thanks in advance for your help.

---
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RE: simple BW question

2001-02-09 Thread Merrill, Keith

Pat-

 In the US, you have upto 53300 upsteam, and 38400 downstream, due to
FCC/Telco mandated signal interference limitations. This refers to the v.90
standard implementation only, with an analog local loop and a digital PRI at
the remote. ( As most ISP's are configured. )



Keith Merrill
Nasdaq
Network Engineering 
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 Reply To: pat
 Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 11:32 AM
 To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject:  simple BW question
 
 Everryone:
 
If I have a 56K modem does that mean I have 56k
 upstrem BW  56 K down stream BW or I have total of 5k
 BW.
 
 The reason I am asking is I have 1MB BW from ISP.
 The ISP feed comes into Firewall. most of traffic is
 downstream that is traffic is going inside the
 company, as everybody uses internet  download mails.
 Now if I have remote VPN users who connect to
 their ISP  then establish VPN seession with the VPN
 server sitting behind firewall.  They access internal
 windows network mostly to download files from shared
 folder. This traffic is mostly outbound.
  Does the VPN users get full 1MB BW for outgoing
 traffic OR is 1MB is shared by both internal 
 external users.
 
 Can somebody give some clarifications?
 
 thanks in advance.
 
 
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Re: CCNP books

2001-02-09 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer

At 05:09 AM 2/9/01, Hunt Lee wrote:
Hi Priscilla,

I passed my CCDA yesterday.  I got 854 out of 1000.  Thanks so much for 
all your help and support.

You're welcome.

Do you know what is the difference between the CCNP Certification Library 
and CCNP Preparation Library?  Which is better to use for
studying the CCNP exams?

CCNP Certification Library:

CCNP Routing Exam Certification Guide
CCNP Switching Exam Certification Guide
CCNP Remote Access Exam Certification Guide
CCNP Support Exam Certification Guide

The certification guides are intended for somebody who already knows the 
material somewhat. They are especially helpful for review purposes as you 
get close to taking the exam. I used the older ACRC Exam Certification 
Guide by Clare Gough and it was very good (though it had some OSPF mistakes.)


CCNP Preparation Library:

Building Scalable Cisco Networks
Building Cisco Multilayer Switched Networks
Building Cisco Remote Access Networks
Cisco Internetwork Troubleshooting

These books are the actual course materials ported to book format. Since 
the tests are based on the courses, you can't go wrong with these books (in 
most cases). I used the Remote Access book, edited by Catherine Pacquet, 
and thought it was excellent. The CIT book, edited by Dan Farkas and Laura 
Chappell, is also very good.

Good luck! I'm going to send this to the whole group in case others are 
wondering too.

I hope you figured out that weird supernetting question from a few days 
ago. ;-)

Priscilla





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Wants to buy !

2001-02-09 Thread Pierre-Alex

Hi All,

I thought I would make an offer to the group before I went search on E-bay.

I need a Catalyst 1912-EN or Catalyst 1924-EN switch.  Do you have one to
sell?

I would like the item shipped overnight this afternoon. So please make a
quick bid..


Pierre-Alex

I think there is something like an upgrade for the Catalyst 1900 Standard .
If you know that it can
Upgrade the switch to full Enterprise functionality and  you have an upgrade
pack I can also buy this from you.

Thanks.


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Re: CSU/DSU question

2001-02-09 Thread John Neiberger

For data over T-1, you should use ESF/B8ZS, not SF/AMI.  Assuming this is a clear 
channel T-1, the datalink protocol is up to you.  If you have Cisco routers on each 
side, either HDLC or PPP would be good choices.  If any of the routers are not Cisco, 
use PPP.

Have you configured your serial controller correctly, making sure it is using the 
correct timeslots?

Perhaps you should post the relevant portions of your config so we can troubleshoot 
further.

Regards,
John

 
 I have an old csu/dsu (rad  fcd 1 ) conected to a 7500 router. we use this
 T1  to enable two of our sites to communicate point to point (all is working
 at the moment). However I am trying to implement that same connection with a
 2610 with a built in csu/dsu. Originally I configure the Controller on the
 2610 to use ESF framing , B8ZS and PPP encapsulation.  This router was in
 operation before , being used as an Internet router 
 so I know the HW is good. Hower when i connected the 2610 with the new
 config (wiped out old onfig when used for internet) to the TI (provided by
 PAC BELL) being use on the 7500 I got some weird results. 
 serial x (reset) , line prot down
 
 Then I changed the encapsultion to HDLC ,that got rid of the reset , and
 changed the framing to SF . When I changed to framing ,  i got se up, line
 prot  up , then few seconds later  i did a sh int  and saw the  up , down.
 I tested my controller to make sure HW is ok by connecting it to one of the
 T1'S providing internet access. It worked fine , off course I had to change
 to esf, b8zs and ppp.
 
 Is it the telco who prvides us what we should use as framing, linecode and
 encapsulation?  or does it depend on the csu/dsu being used.  ??? 
 
  
 
 Mo Durrani
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 WYSE\EDS
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 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
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Re: passed CCIE written with a little extra stress

2001-02-09 Thread Francisco Muniz

It happened to me as well, back at Networkers. However they just
ALT-CTRL-DEL'ed the machine and it came back with my half test to
complete. I'd already passed away on the of the keyboard, and so
couldn't finish it :-) just kidding, I did pass, and boy I'm happy!

Frank.

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RE: CSU/DSU question

2001-02-09 Thread Stull, Cory

Telco dictates the circuits parameters.. The encapsulation however for a T1
can be decided by you... unless it is frame-relay or X.25 or some type of
data link layer communications needs to happen to telco's switches.   The
normal settings these days is ESF / B8ZS for a T1.  When you changed the
framing to SF the line and protocol would go to up until the router realized
it wasn't seeing the "keepalives" from the switch then it would switch it to
down.  

If this is a new installation of the T1 you might want to make sure the T1
is turned up...  I'm not positive what turned up means but I think its just
telco's way of not activating the circuit until you call them and tell them
your ready to be billed for it.

Cory

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From: Moahzam Durrani [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 1:10 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CSU/DSU question


I have an old csu/dsu (rad  fcd 1 ) conected to a 7500 router. we use this
T1  to enable two of our sites to communicate point to point (all is working
at the moment). However I am trying to implement that same connection with a
2610 with a built in csu/dsu. Originally I configure the Controller on the
2610 to use ESF framing , B8ZS and PPP encapsulation.  This router was in
operation before , being used as an Internet router 
so I know the HW is good. Hower when i connected the 2610 with the new
config (wiped out old onfig when used for internet) to the TI (provided by
PAC BELL) being use on the 7500 I got some weird results. 
serial x (reset) , line prot down

Then I changed the encapsultion to HDLC ,that got rid of the reset , and
changed the framing to SF . When I changed to framing ,  i got se up, line
prot  up , then few seconds later  i did a sh int  and saw the  up , down.
I tested my controller to make sure HW is ok by connecting it to one of the
T1'S providing internet access. It worked fine , off course I had to change
to esf, b8zs and ppp.

Is it the telco who prvides us what we should use as framing, linecode and
encapsulation?  or does it depend on the csu/dsu being used.  ??? 

 

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RE: Silly Question!

2001-02-09 Thread Pierre-Alex

This is a great URL. Thanks!

Pierre-Alex

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It stands for "Internetwork Operating System"

A little blurb from Cisco's web site:
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/732/ciscoios.html

- raj

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 I think what they are trying to say is that by using vlsms you are getting
 as much efficiency as possible out of the addressing scheme (using a .252
 for instance) so that using multipoint does not gain you anything.  After
 all, you still have to have a seperate address within the subnet for each
 circuit.  A .248 has six useable hosts, using multipoint with it would not
 gain you much.  I would prefer to use point-to-point and use a /30 mask.

 Dale
 --

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  Pierre-Alex wrote:
 On page 14-28 (ICND) It says:
 
 "Multipoint may not save you addresses if you are using VLSMs"
 
 What is the rational behind this statement. I would think that using a
long
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loadbalancing with NIC's

2001-02-09 Thread Moahzam Durrani


We are planning to connect a server with a single   NIC that supports
faultolerance , redudndancy and load balancing.  How does a C6509 treat a
Nic that is connected to two of its ports (same vlans)
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Re: IOS Upload 12.1(2.5)

2001-02-09 Thread John Neiberger

Regarding that particular image, I just ran across this blurb on CCO:

snip
Be extremely cautious with any release that has a number following the maintenance 
release number inside the parentheses (y)---for example, the .5 in parentheses in the 
version number 10.2(3.5). These numbers indicate that this version of software is an 
interim build. Interim builds are unit tested, but have not been fully regression 
tested and should be used only for short-term, urgent point-fix situations until the 
next maintenance release is available.
snip

So, as I thought, that may not be the best image to put on that router. :-)

  
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  Sent: February 09, 2001 9:55 AM
  Subject: Re: IOS Upload
  
  
   I believe that you can configure the 2611 to be a tftp server (using the
  global config mode 'tftp-server' command) but I've never tried it.  If you
  can get that to work, connect the two routers directly together with a
  crossover cable or connect them both to a switch or hub.  This will help
  eliminate any other potential difficulties.
  
   By far, the fastest method is tftp.  From ROM Monitor mode, you can do a
  transfer over the console port using xmodem.  If you're going to go this
  route, use the confreg command to raise the speed of the console port, and
  then use Xmodem-1K, not regular Xmodem, which is way too slow.  Using this
  method, it's still going to take an hour or two, IIRC.  It's not a speedy
  method, but it works.
  
   I should warn you that there are some 2610 and 2611 images out there that
  will NOT work on a 2620.  Make sure you have an image that will actually run
  on this model.  The one running on that 2611 may not even work.  I've done
  this before, and it took me a while to figure out why none of my interfaces
  were showing up.  :-)
  
   Speaking of images, where did you get that one?  I couldn't find it on
  CCO, and that worries me.
  
   Regards,
   John
  
  
   
Hi John,
   
Thanks for the help,
   
The router that is giving me this problem is a 2621, I also have a 2611
  is
it possible for me to tftp the flash from the 2611 onto my tftp server
  and
then try and load that onto the 2621 or is that simply not possible.
  Sorry,
probably a very novice question, but if I cant do that, what is the
  quickest
and easiest way for me to get a different flash that I could try loading
onto the router ?
   
One more question :) ... Is it possible to sent a binary image to the
  router
via the console cable ? If so does it need to be in another format or
  can
you simple use something like xmodem to send the same binary image to
  the
device ?
   
Thanks
Warrick FitzGerald
LiveTechnology International Inc.
   
   
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 My first concern is that I have no idea what that image is.  I
  searched
CCO for that image name and couldn't find it, not in the IOS upgrade
  planner
or the Feature Navigator.  The only close one I could find was 12.1(2),
  not
2.5, and it was about 200k bigger than the file you mention.

 Do you have that image running on another router?  If not, try loading
  a
different image.  That one spooks me.  g

 Perhaps something is wrong with flash, so another option is to replace
  the
flash and see if that helps.

 Another option is to use the -r option for tftpdnld which will load
  the
image directly to DRAM instead of to flash.  If that works, then you
  know
your flash is hosed.

 I hate to even mention it, but make sure your basic networking setup
  is
correct (addresses, masks, cables, etc.)  That goes without saying, but
  I'll
say it anyway.  :-)

 Good luck!

 John

 
  Hi,
 
  When I tried to upload my IOS image to the my 2600 router it failed.
When
  the router rebooted it kicked into Rommon mode with an error message
that
  reads "boot: cannot determine first file name on device "flash:"".
  There
is
  a command in rommon  mode called "tftpdnld" which I run once I have
  set
all
  my parameters, this is surposed to fetch the image of my tftp
  server. I
see
  it connect to my TFTP server but after a second or two it times out
  and
I
  dont get the image.
 
  If anyone knows why the image does not download, pls help.
 
  Filename = c2600-io3s56i-mz.121-2.5
  File Size = 8,071 KB
 
  Thanks
  Warrick FitzGerald
  LiveTechnology International Inc.
 
 
 
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Re: CSU/DSU question

2001-02-09 Thread Ed Moss

 Is it the telco who prvides us what we should use as framing, linecode and
 encapsulation?  or does it depend on the csu/dsu being used.  ???

Telco configures the line for the proper coding.   ESF/B8ZS is the most
common, however SF/AMI is still around.  A local carrier here normally
provisions their lines (across town for example) for SF/AMI unless the
customer requests otherwise.

PPP vs. HDLC  refers to the line encapsulation, or what the routers use to
communicate.  This is independent of  the line coding (ESF/B8ZS).   If you
are talking Cisco to Cisco equipment use HDLC.If you are talking Cisco
to something else,  PPP is the way to go since Cisco's HDLC is a proprietary
implementation. (PPP is common when talking to ISP's.  Even if they have
Cisco gear because it makes PPP their standard).

Ed



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Re: T1 Link

2001-02-09 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer

Yup, SLARP is pretty cool. It's one good reason to use HDLC. It makes 
configuration so easy. Also, the students will love saying SLARP. I'm 
helping out with the academy at our local high school, as I've mentioned 
before. Those students will love saying SLARP, over and over and over again.

Lately, they have taken to giving me a hard time about "Sniffer." They 
snicker every time I say it. It's kind of embarrassing, to be honest. I 
want them to take it seriously. It's all boys, so I'm worried that Sniffer 
means something dirty. Sigh.

I'm having a hard time, in general, teaching networking to kids who don't 
really love it and don't have to know it for their jobs. I got spoiled, 
teaching classes to people who had paid money to be there and needed the 
info to survive on the job. I'm sure it's quite different at a community 
college, but you probably get some young people too. Any advice?? Thanks!

Talk to you later!

Priscilla

At 06:38 PM 2/8/01, Tom Lisa wrote:
WOW!!  Great stuff, especially the SLARP info!  I think I'll save this for 
when we
start teaching CCNP level courses.  It would frighten my CCNA students.

BTW, for all Las Vegas area members, the Community College will be 
offering the
BSCN course in the Fall Semester.  It will be offered at both the Cheyenne and
Henderson campuses.  Email me directly if you would like more info.

Tom Lisa, Instructor, CCNA, CCAI
Community College of Southern Nevada
Cisco Regional Networking Academy

Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:

  At 03:09 PM 2/8/01, Tom Lisa wrote:
  Priscilla,
  
  In the Cisco Networking Academy (Sem4) curriculum, significantly more time
  is spent on
  PPP operation  configuration than Cisco's HDLC.
 
  That's just because you can say something useful about PPP. It's great for
  instructors. They can show off how much they have learned about PAP and
  CHAP. ;-)
 
  What can you say about Cisco HDLC? Not much, though here are some comments
  on Cisco HDLC, since it is being talked about so much today:
 
  cisco's default encapsulation on synchronous serial lines uses HDLC 
 framing,
  with packet contents defined as follows:
 
  The first ("address") octet is set to 0x0F for unicast packets and 0x8F
  for broadcast packets. Broadcast just means that the higher-level protocol
  thought this was a broadcast packet; cisco doesn't support multidrop
  HDLC at this time.
 
  The second ("control") octet is always 0.
 
  The next two octets are a 16-bit protocol code, sent 
 most-significant-first.
  These codes are usually Ethernet type codes. cisco has added some codes to
  support packet types that don't appear on Ethernets. The current list 
 of codes
  is as follows:
 
   TYPE_PUP0x0200  PUP
   TYPE_XNS0x0600  XNS
   TYPE_IP10MB 0x0800  IP
   TYPE_CHAOS  0x0804  Chaos
   TYPE_IEEE_SPANNING  0x4242  DSAP/SSAP for IEEE bridge spanning
  prot.
   TYPE_DECNET 0x6003  DECnet phase IV
   TYPE_BRIDGE 0x6558  Bridged Ethernet/802.3 packet
   TYPE_APOLLO 0x8019  Apollo domain
   TYPE_REVERSE_ARP0x8035  cisco SLARP (not real reverse 
 ARP!)
   TYPE_DEC_SPANNING   0x8038  DEC bridge spanning tree protocol
   TYPE_ETHERTALK  0x809b  Apple EtherTalk
   TYPE_AARP   0x80f3  Appletalk ARP
   TYPE_NOVELL10x8137  Novell IPX
   TYPE_CLNS   0xFEFE  ISO CLNP/ISO ES-IS DSAP/SSAP
 
  This list is shared between serial and Ethernet encapsulations. Not all
  these codes will necessarily appear on serial lines. This list will 
 probably
  be extended as cisco adds support for more protocols.
 
  Bytes after this are higher-level protocol data. These normally look the
  same as they'd look on Ethernet. Bridging packets include Ethernet/802.3
  MAC headers; no other packets do.
 
  Packets with type 8035 (reverse ARP) don't contain reverse ARP data as
  they would on an Ethernet. Instead, they carry a protocol cisco refers to
  as SLARP. SLARP has two functions: dynamic IP address determination and
  serial line keepalive.
 
  The serial line model supported by SLARP assumes that each serial line is
  a separate IP subnet, and that one end of the line is host number 1, while
  the other end is host number 2. The SLARP address resolution protocol 
 allows
  system A to request that system B tell system A system B's IP address,
  along with the IP netmask to be used on the network. It does this by 
 sending
  a SLARP address resolution request packet, to which system B responds 
 with a
  SLARP address resolution reply packet. System A then attempts to 
 determine its
  own IP address based on the address of system B. If the host portion of 
 system
  B's address is 1, system A will use 2 for the host portion of its own IP
  address. Conversely, if system B's IP host number is 2, system A will 
 use IP
  

Re: T1 Link

2001-02-09 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer

Sorry, I should have given credit for the info about HDLC. I got it from 
somewhere on Cisco's site, but I can't find it again. I've had it for a 
while. It's been posted to this list a few times before by Howard and 
others. Maybe I got it from Howard.

You'll note that is uses "cisco" instead of "Cisco." That shows how old it 
is. Cisco used to go by "cisco."

Too bad, I can't claim to have written it all myself! ;-)

Priscilla

At 11:18 PM 2/8/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Pricilla, please tell me that you pasted that from a file you had. I'd hate
to think you spent 3 hours typing that out. Wow, that's actually the longest
post I've seen in the year I've been on.   =o)

Mark Z.

In a message dated 2/8/01 8:46:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


That's just because you can say something useful about PPP. It's great for
instructors. They can show off how much they have learned about PAP and
CHAP. ;-)

What can you say about Cisco HDLC? Not much, though here are some comments
on Cisco HDLC, since it is being talked about so much today:
:::SNIP::




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No Subject

2001-02-09 Thread Mark Kinley

I have just come across.
NT Server 2000, NT Server 4.0, 2 Catalyst 2900xl switches, A cisco 2610
router with BRI interface,T1 interface, A 1610 router w/ 56k interface, an
old HUGHES Lansystem Hub with 24 ports available, 1 Remote Bridge Module and
a Fiber Module
I have Fluke Lanmeter and Associated software.. to begin protocol
sniffing.
What i need.. is for someone to refer a / various lab setup diagrams
that i can use to really gain experience in the setup and troubleshooting.
various labs diagrams will be greatly appreciated..


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protocol detects errors

2001-02-09 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer

At 11:31 PM 2/8/01, Jeremy Dumoit wrote:

  I think I'm unclear on some of the protocols here... for what purpose
would a protocol detect errors, but not correct them?

A protocol detects errors so it can throw a bad frame out rather than pass 
it to the next layer up. Most data-link-layer protocols have a CRC that 
does error detection. The sender adds up all the bits and does some bizarre 
calculation on them. The sender places the result in the CRC field of the 
frame. The receiver does the exact same algorithm. If the result is 
different than the CRC in the frame, the recipient throws out the frame.

IP also has a checksum. If the frame arrives OK but gets damaged before IP 
gets it, then IP throws it out. How could that happen, you may wonder? 
Software bugs, memory overflows, other bad things like that. TCP also has a 
similar checksum for the same sorts of reasons.

Hope that helps. There's no such thing as a dumb question. Seriously. No 
matter what you ask to this group, there will be lots of useful answers 
(and some not so useful answers. ;-)

Priscilla


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telnet access to pix

2001-02-09 Thread Frank Kim

Hey guys,
I got eth0= security0 and eth1=security100.  I'm able to telnet from the
inside network.  Is there any way for me to telnet from the outside?  Pix
has disabled this by default.

-Frank


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RE: not quite sure...

2001-02-09 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer



 In the discussion of error correction, I think an error on my part has been
 missed. I was thinking about it and I wonder if this is entirely accurate:
 
 (concerning what happens after a frame is discarded on WAN link)
 
 "The end station will respond by acking the next packet it recieves with
 the
 appriopriate (lower numbered) sequence number (of the missed packet). The
 originating station will
 get this ack (with the lower sequence number) see that the end station is
 requesting a packet out of sequence and the originating station will begin
 it's next transmission with the data from that particular sequence number."
 
 Is this correct?

That sounds right, except keep in mind that TCP sequences and acknowledges 
bytes, not packets.

 From watching TCP sessions with a Sniffer, I have noticed that when bytes 
arrive out of order and there's a hole, the recipient's ACK number is the 
number of the first byte of the hole.

The sender uses a Positive Acknowledgement with Retransmission (PAR) 
mechanism. The sender also uses a sliding window. How much the window can 
slide forward depends on which bytes have been acknowledged and the size of 
the recipient's receive window. If bytes gets lost (due to a dropped packet 
at a router, for example), the sender resends everything from the start of 
the loss.

I'm not saying this very well, but there are many good books on TCP. Be 
sure to read Comer, for one thing. It sounds like you have it down quite 
well already, actually. Also, check out the real-world behavior with a 
Sniffer. Implementations are sometimes different than what the spec says.

Priscilla

 
 
 Emphasis:  end station.  You are describing what TCP does.  Routers
 typically are unconcerned with TCP.
 
 And again, not all applications need reliable links, so not all
 applications will have retransmission ANYWHERE in the path.
 




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Re: Silly Question!

2001-02-09 Thread Raj Singh

Pierre,

If you want to pick up more details on IOS, you might want to check out the
Inside Cisco IOS Software Architecture book by Cisco Press.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1578701813/o/qid=981751557/sr=8-1/ref
=aps_sr_b_1_1/107-3760323-1100541

- raj

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 Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 11:33 AM
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 Subject: Re: Silly Question!

 It stands for "Internetwork Operating System"

 A little blurb from Cisco's web site:
 http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/732/ciscoios.html

 - raj

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  Pierre-Alex
 
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  Pierre
 
  This came back into my mailbox this morning.
 
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  Pierre
 
  I think what they are trying to say is that by using vlsms you are
getting
  as much efficiency as possible out of the addressing scheme (using a
.252
  for instance) so that using multipoint does not gain you anything.
After
  all, you still have to have a seperate address within the subnet for
each
  circuit.  A .248 has six useable hosts, using multipoint with it would
not
  gain you much.  I would prefer to use point-to-point and use a /30 mask.
 
  Dale
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   Pierre-Alex wrote:
  On page 14-28 (ICND) It says:
  
  "Multipoint may not save you addresses if you are using VLSMs"
  
  What is the rational behind this statement. I would think that using a
 long
  subnet mask (i.e. 255.255.255.248 ) would not waste any ip address!
  
  
 
 
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cisco ios

2001-02-09 Thread Lopez, Robert

Hello,

I'm in the process of building a lab.  I have 2 2501's and 2 2503's and a
3600.  The 3600 has the 12.0 ios.  The 2500's have a mixture of 11.0, 11.2
and 11.3.  I'd like to have them all the same. (Should I have them the
same?).  My problem is that I do not have sufficient memory to load the 12.0
ios (enterprise plus) on the 2500's.  What other 12.0 version of ios would
give me the needed functionality for a lab environment.  This is the link I
was choosing from
http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Software/Iosplanner/Planner-tool/iosplanner.cgi
?get_crypto=data_from=hardware_name=2501-2525software_name=release_name=
majorRel=12.0state=:HW  TIA

Robert M. Lopez   
Network Planning
Ann Arbor Data Center
Pfizer Global Research  Development
Phone 734-622-3948  Fax 734-622-1690

"Imagination is more important than knowledge"...Albert Einstein

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RE: Local Director Config

2001-02-09 Thread MattM

See below

-Original Message-
From: Keith Whitfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 5:33 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Local Director Config

Hi...

I am in the process of implementing a Local Director for the
servers in our company. Right now in the process of documenting
the requirements and design of it. I have some questions for
which the cisco site don't have information in the LD
documentation. I have 2 servers on which I need to do load
balancing as well as have a fail over redundancy in case one of
them goes down. I can achieve this by the LD. But the traffic
that goes via the LD are real time transactions and I don't know
how the application(our) will respond to these requests, since
LD laod balances on a packet-packet basis. Basically we will be
having 2 instances of the application running.So, my questions
are

1.To achieve synchronization between the servers for every
transaction that occur Do I need to have a clustering software
for these servers?
You'll need to be running co-standby or another clustering software to
replicate the data. Local director won't do this for you.  A common
architecture is to avoid having that data saved directly to a web box,
rather to separated and secure data stores which centralizes backup,
administration ... yadda yaddda


2.Can I configure the LD to forward all requests to only one
server (even though it is connected to another server) and make
the second available when the first goes down?
The short answer to this question is no.  The way local director determines
that a server is down is by using ping probe. If you're running www services
or smtp services and those services fail yet the machine remains working, no
fail over will occur.  My belief, although it may be contrary to other's
beliefs, is that local director is good only for load distribution and not
fail over, though it makes the process of recovery easier if you're using
the LD LUD.  


3. Does the The sample configs in the LD documentation assume
that the servers are already clustered or have only static data
for the outside users?
I may not have a clear idea of what you mean by this.  Clustering in the
logical sense or the physical sense?  I have always configured local
director only after physically connecting and configuring those load
balanced servers.


Any comments on this or if someone has a similar setup what I am
trying to acheive , please reply back.

Thanks in advance.

Regards
Keith.

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Re: loadbalancing with NIC's

2001-02-09 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

We are planning to connect a server with a single   NIC that supports
faultolerance , redudndancy and load balancing.  How does a C6509 treat a
Nic that is connected to two of its ports (same vlans)
Mo Durrani


Multiple Fast EtherChannel aware NICs can load-share on the same 
VLAN.  Otherwise, the 802.1D spanning tree algorithm will block more 
than one card; you will get failover but no load distribution.

By putting them into different VLANs, you can get load-sharing, 
assuming, of course, that the higher layers know how to distribute 
the load.   The ideal situation is that your clients could be 
configured with primary and secondary server addresses.

At some point, you need to consider, in your fault tolerance model, 
what to do if either the server or the 6509 itself fails.  Frankly, 
I'd consider isolated NIC failures less likely than either of these 
cases. Other people may have different experience.

If you are going to have different NICs, do consider running them to 
different wire closets, or otherwise maximizing cable plant 
diversity. Never underestimate the power of a less than clueful 
wiring technician.

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Motivations and Age (was Re: T1 Link)

2001-02-09 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

Yup, SLARP is pretty cool. It's one good reason to use HDLC. It makes
configuration so easy. Also, the students will love saying SLARP. I'm
helping out with the academy at our local high school, as I've mentioned
before. Those students will love saying SLARP, over and over and over again.

Lately, they have taken to giving me a hard time about "Sniffer." They
snicker every time I say it. It's kind of embarrassing, to be honest. I
want them to take it seriously. It's all boys, so I'm worried that Sniffer
means something dirty. Sigh.

that context is rather clean, compared to my metaphor for doing a 
wireless transfer between two Palm Pilots:  the yuppie version of 
dogs sniffing one another.


I'm having a hard time, in general, teaching networking to kids who don't
really love it and don't have to know it for their jobs. I got spoiled,
teaching classes to people who had paid money to be there and needed the
info to survive on the job. I'm sure it's quite different at a community
college, but you probably get some young people too. Any advice?? Thanks!

Talk to you later!

Priscilla



Priscilla,

I think you raise some very good points, and this list may actually 
be a very good place to get insights into it.   My teenage 
motivations were a long time ago in memory.  At the time, routers 
were steam powered...actually, they hadn't been invented yet.  My 
weird nerd interests were much more in microbiology.

I'm afraid that I often go into hysterical giggling when people start 
saying their  generation is so cool because they grew up with the 
technology...well, I can sort of say that too. Sure, I know people 
that have been doing networking longer than I have...Scott Bradner 
and Vint Cerf come to mind.

So my perspective is going to be different from someone of the same 
age who is just transitioning into the field.  But it's also going to 
be different from someone in high school or early college.  I'd 
encourage people here that have peers in the situation Priscilla 
describes -- in networking classes, without much life experience -- 
help us understand how best to motivate them, how to communicate with 
them.

You've also made the point with respect to the acceptance of software 
piracy, that perhaps there is a sense of entitlement by people that 
don't have a personal sense of earning one's living through product 
development.  I'd pose the question to the younger people on the list 
-- does this fit your experience, or are we completely in left field?


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Re: T1 Link

2001-02-09 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

Sorry, I should have given credit for the info about HDLC. I got it from
somewhere on Cisco's site, but I can't find it again. I've had it for a
while. It's been posted to this list a

  few times before by Howard and
others. Maybe I got it from Howard.


I've posted it, but I think it's originally written by Chops 
Westerfield, who I think was something like Cisco employee #4 and was 
top-level support for many years.


You'll note that is uses "cisco" instead of "Cisco." That shows how old it
is. Cisco used to go by "cisco."

Too bad, I can't claim to have written it all myself! ;-)

Priscilla


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RE: telnet access to pix

2001-02-09 Thread Tommy Mitchell


Watch the line wrap:
From
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/iaabu/pix/pix_v52/config/com
mands.htm#xtocid1604970

"If IPSec is operating, PIX Firewall lets you specify an unsecure interface
name, typically, the outside interface. At a minimum, the crypto map command
must be configured to specify an interface name with the telnet command."

So the answer is yes, but with caveats.

Tommy


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 Hey guys,
 I got eth0= security0 and eth1=security100.  I'm able to 
 telnet from the
 inside network.  Is there any way for me to telnet from the 
 outside?  Pix
 has disabled this by default.
 
 -Frank
 
 
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Re: protocol detects errors

2001-02-09 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

At 11:31 PM 2/8/01, Jeremy Dumoit wrote:

   I think I'm unclear on some of the protocols here... for what purpose
would a protocol detect errors, but not correct them?

A protocol detects errors so it can throw a bad frame out rather than pass
it to the next layer up. Most data-link-layer protocols have a CRC that
does error detection. The sender adds up all the bits and does some bizarre
calculation on them. The sender places the result in the CRC field of the
frame. The receiver does the exact same algorithm. If the result is
different than the CRC in the frame, the recipient throws out the frame.

In modern implementations, the data link protocols have a frame 
checking sequence (a somewhat broader term than CRC), which is 
implemented in hardware and generates a 32-bit checksum.  In 
contrast, IP and TCP use the simple Fletcher algorithm, and a much 
smaller field, so they don't have the same error detection (or even 
correction) power.

Flashing back to the late seventies, I was in a US government 
standards meeting that was working on ADDCP, the ANSI predecessor of 
HDLC. One of the decisions was how long to make the checksum -- 16, 
32, or 64 bits. There was a lot of interest in 16 bits rather than 
32, but 32 was the consensus.  It was agreed that 64 bits would 
improve things a bit.

At one point in the discussion, after one of the military people had 
said 32 bits was enough for Emergency Action Messages -- better known 
as nuclear launch orders -- I observed that the incremental 
error-detection difference betweeen 32 and 64 bits appeared to be the 
acceptable risk of accidental nuclear war.  People babbled a bit and 
said...well...that's not EXACTLY what we meant.

As I believe Disraeli said, there are lies, damned lies, and statistics.

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