Re: Cisco misrepresents test results
a measured and professional example. If there is an upside to this, maybe some of the "cisco bigots" of the world will get a glimpse of how cisco is viewed by the rest of the industry. This nonsense goes on all the time. As a cisco stockholder since summer 1995, I think it is time for them to change their style; before they lose the respect of those who don't yet have a clue how rotten their "apple" (to paraphrase Howard) is. Note that I was as gung-ho cisco as anybody else before I saw the larger picture of how much their marketing hype and fud covers up for the mediocrity of some of their gear. Obviously since I am still holding onto the stock I believe this company is so huge it will be very hard to kill and will see significant gains before I am ready to cash out. But they are losing market share on several fronts, and this (losing core to Juniper) is just one, but the one with the fattest margins. Bottom line there is plenty of room in this industry for good companies with good products.Just look at all the optical startups. Engineers should be scientists first and foremost, and scientists who expect to have their word and opinions respected don't lie. I ask you all this: If it was once true that "No one ever got fired for buying IBM" why is that no longer true ? --- Priscilla Oppenheimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's sad. As a big Cisco fan (and stockholder), I hope Cisco fires the marketing jerk that made them look so foolish. There was no need to misrepresent the results. Priscilla At 02:14 PM 3/16/01, Ian Gomeche wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/5/17635.html Cisco misrepresents test results By: John Leyden Posted: 15/03/2001 at 19:17 GMT A publishing firm has slammed Cisco for misrepresenting the results of its tests on high-end optical networking kit. Cisco claimed in a press release issued Tuesday evening that it, rather than Juniper Networks came out on top in publisher Light Reading's tests of Internet core routers. After Light Reading issued a press release complaining about what Cisco had done, the networking giant revised partially revised its statement but the affair has angered those involved in the testing, which took six months to put together. Peter Heywood, founding editor of Light Reading, told The Register: "Cisco has taken out factual inaccuracies in the original press release but we still feel what it did originally was underhand." Light Reading commissioned tests which were carried out by benchmarking design consultancy Network Test using Spirent Communications performance analysis systems. The tests looked at Cisco's flagship 12416 router, the M160 from Juniper and kit from Foundry Networks and Charlotte's Networks, and found that Cisco and Juniper were far superior to the competition. However being rated a close second wasn't good enough for Cisco, which has 60 per cent of the high-end routing market to Juniper's 30 per cent, and it decided to spin the results in its favour. "I'm very disappointed in this misrepresentation," said David Newman, president of Network Test. "Cisco's 12416 put up some very, very good numbers in this test, so the company had no need to spin it the way they did." Among the points on which Light Reading believes Cisco's spin went into overdrive are claims that it did better overall when it won four of 16 tests, compared to the 12 won by Juniper. Cisco's original release claimed it had won nine tests and also boasted that it was the only kit to demonstrate Line Rate IP and MPLS (Multi Protocol Label Switching) performance with 2.5Gbps and 10Gbps throughput. According to Light Reading throughput on one of these tests was just 52 percent. High end optical routers will sit at the core of service provider networks and present a huge marketing opportunity for vendors selling next generation networking technology to telcos. Success in selling such kit will be fundamental to the fortunes of firms like Cisco and Juniper, so it's not entirely surprising that the results of one of the first tests on suck kit has been so bitterly contested. . External links: Network Test's results Cisco's spin ...and the rebuttal Light Reading Related stories: Cisco pushes optical router Cisco ships 10Gbps router Juniper gets edgy with latest boxes _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo!
Cisco Qualified Specialist--the end for CCNP/CCDP?
It's clear you won't be able to renew your CCNP or CCDP if you already have it, but has anyone heard of a deadline for completing these if you are somewhere in the middle of the process? Or, am I misunderstanding this new certification intiative? My read is that CCNP/CCDP designations are going away. Knowledgeable comments would be appreciated. http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/pdf/CQS.pdf http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/cqs/cqs_faq.pdf Excerts from the above links: "Each Cisco Qualified Specialist designation is customized to meet current market needs. Individuals may earn designations in as many technical areas as they choose. Over time, and in response to new technology developments, Cisco will create additional designations. Note: Candidates for the Cisco Qualified Specialist designation must hold a valid associate-level certification. Current CCNP or CCDP specializations are valid until their expiration date. Individuals with expired CCNP or CCDP specializations may choose to test for a Cisco Qualified Specialist designation, if one is available, in their preferred field." "6. What happens to the Cisco CCNP or CCDP specializations I already earned? Previously earned specializations will remain active for a period of two years from the date achieved. There will be no recertification option. At that point, you may choose to test for a Cisco Qualified Specialist, if one is offered, in your preferred field." Brad ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AW: Redistribution RIP and OSPF
hi Almazi
you can generate a default route into the ospf with the command:
default-information originate in your ospf router or you can do a common
redistribution
router ospf 100
redistribute rip metric
the full command is:
redistribute protocol [process-id] {level-1 | level-1-2 | level-2} [metric
metric-value]
[metric-type type-value] [match {internal | external 1 | external 2}]
[tag tag-value] [route-map map-tag] [weight weight] [subnets]
in this way the redistribution is done classful i think, if you include the
word subnets also the subnets are redistributed. i think in your case you
don't need the subnets command, because you want to have a summarisation as
far as i understand your question.
dave
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Hi all:
I was wondering what is the criteria I can think of to Redistribute default
route from RIP to OSPF.
Any help regarding Redistribution between RIP and OSPF will be appreciated.
Regards
Almazi
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Re: Cisco Qualified Specialist--the end for CCNP/CCDP?
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Brad Perlin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is actually for the career specializations like Security, Voice, SNA, etc. It is not for the CCNP/CCDP which cover mostly Routing Switching. It's clear you won't be able to renew your CCNP or CCDP if you already have it, but has anyone heard of a deadline for completing these if you are somewhere in the middle of the process? _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Please Help me with this lab --- Im stuck
A suggestion is to a 'trace' and see the results. It would show who is dropping the packet. Could you send a 'trace' result to the list? Albert -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of MJL Sent: Saturday, 17 March 2001 9:33 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Please Help me with this lab --- Im stuck Hi gang... I have a problem that is driving me nutz. Take a look at my configs and see if you can figure it out. Diagram: |___| ethernet LAN | R1 --serial--R2 Problem: I can't ping anything on the LAN from R2 R1#sh run Building configuration... Current configuration: ! version 11.2 no service password-encryption no service udp-small-servers no service tcp-small-servers ! hostname R1 ! ! ! interface Ethernet0 ip address 10.1.5.1 255.255.0.0 ! interface Serial0 ip address 10.128.1.1 255.128.0.0 bandwidth 56 clockrate 56000 ! interface Serial1 no ip address shutdown ! router ospf 200 network 10.1.0.0 0.0.255.255 area 0 network 10.128.0.0 0.0.255.255 area 0 ! ip classless ! ! line con 0 logging synchronous line aux 0 line vty 0 4 login ! end R1 Routing Table: R1#sh ip route Codes: C - connected, S - static, I - IGRP, R - RIP, M - mobile, B - BGP D - EIGRP, EX - EIGRP external, O - OSPF, IA - OSPF inter area N1 - OSPF NSSA external type 1, N2 - OSPF NSSA external type 2 E1 - OSPF external type 1, E2 - OSPF external type 2, E - EGP i - IS-IS, L1 - IS-IS level-1, L2 - IS-IS level-2, * - candidate default U - per-user static route, o - ODR Gateway of last resort is not set 10.0.0.0/8 is variably subnetted, 2 subnets, 2 masks C 10.1.0.0/16 is directly connected, Ethernet0 C 10.128.0.0/9 is directly connected, Serial0 172.16.0.0/32 is subnetted, 1 subnets O 172.16.25.1 [110/1786] via 10.128.1.2, 00:04:20, Serial0 -- -- - Router #2 R2#sh %SYS-5-CONFIG_I: Configured from console by console run Building configuration... Current configuration: ! version 11.2 no service password-encryption no service udp-small-servers no service tcp-small-servers ! hostname R2 ! enable password ccna ! ! interface Loopback0 ip address 172.16.25.1 255.255.0.0 ! interface Ethernet0 no ip address shutdown ! interface Serial0 ip address 10.128.1.2 255.128.0.0 ! interface Serial1 no ip address shutdown ! router ospf 200 network 10.128.0.0 0.0.255.255 area 0 network 172.16.0.0 0.0.255.255 area 0 ! ip classless ! ! line con 0 line aux 0 line vty 0 4 password cisco login ! end R2 Routing Table: R2#sh ip route Codes: C - connected, S - static, I - IGRP, R - RIP, M - mobile, B - BGP D - EIGRP, EX - EIGRP external, O - OSPF, IA - OSPF inter area N1 - OSPF NSSA external type 1, N2 - OSPF NSSA external type 2 E1 - OSPF external type 1, E2 - OSPF external type 2, E - EGP i - IS-IS, L1 - IS-IS level-1, L2 - IS-IS level-2, * - candidate default U - per-user static route, o - ODR Gateway of last resort is not set 10.0.0.0/8 is variably subnetted, 2 subnets, 2 masks O 10.1.0.0/16 [110/74] via 10.128.1.1, 00:06:04, Serial0 C 10.128.0.0/9 is directly connected, Serial0 C 172.16.0.0/16 is directly connected, Loopback0 _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please Help me with this lab --- Im stuck
Also, when you send a ping, what is the response? If it's a "destination net not found," then check your routing tables along the path to the target. If it's a "destination host not found," then your target isn't alive for some reason. If it's "request timed out," then check your routing tables on the path *back* to the originator of the ping - the "real" response doesn't know how to get back to you, so all it can do is time out. BJ - Original Message - From: Albert Lu To: MJL Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 5:45 AM Subject: RE: Please Help me with this lab --- Im stuck A suggestion is to a 'trace' and see the results. It would show who is dropping the packet. Could you send a 'trace' result to the list? Albert -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of MJL Sent: Saturday, 17 March 2001 9:33 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Please Help me with this lab --- Im stuck Hi gang... I have a problem that is driving me nutz. Take a look at my configs and see if you can figure it out. Diagram: |___| ethernet LAN | R1 --serial--R2 Problem: I can't ping anything on the LAN from R2 R1#sh run Building configuration... Current configuration: ! version 11.2 no service password-encryption no service udp-small-servers no service tcp-small-servers ! hostname R1 ! ! ! interface Ethernet0 ip address 10.1.5.1 255.255.0.0 ! interface Serial0 ip address 10.128.1.1 255.128.0.0 bandwidth 56 clockrate 56000 ! interface Serial1 no ip address shutdown ! router ospf 200 network 10.1.0.0 0.0.255.255 area 0 network 10.128.0.0 0.0.255.255 area 0 ! ip classless ! ! line con 0 logging synchronous line aux 0 line vty 0 4 login ! end R1 Routing Table: R1#sh ip route Codes: C - connected, S - static, I - IGRP, R - RIP, M - mobile, B - BGP D - EIGRP, EX - EIGRP external, O - OSPF, IA - OSPF inter area N1 - OSPF NSSA external type 1, N2 - OSPF NSSA external type 2 E1 - OSPF external type 1, E2 - OSPF external type 2, E - EGP i - IS-IS, L1 - IS-IS level-1, L2 - IS-IS level-2, * - candidate default U - per-user static route, o - ODR Gateway of last resort is not set 10.0.0.0/8 is variably subnetted, 2 subnets, 2 masks C 10.1.0.0/16 is directly connected, Ethernet0 C 10.128.0.0/9 is directly connected, Serial0 172.16.0.0/32 is subnetted, 1 subnets O 172.16.25.1 [110/1786] via 10.128.1.2, 00:04:20, Serial0 -- -- - Router #2 R2#sh %SYS-5-CONFIG_I: Configured from console by console run Building configuration... Current configuration: ! version 11.2 no service password-encryption no service udp-small-servers no service tcp-small-servers ! hostname R2 ! enable password ccna ! ! interface Loopback0 ip address 172.16.25.1 255.255.0.0 ! interface Ethernet0 no ip address shutdown ! interface Serial0 ip address 10.128.1.2 255.128.0.0 ! interface Serial1 no ip address shutdown ! router ospf 200 network 10.128.0.0 0.0.255.255 area 0 network 172.16.0.0 0.0.255.255 area 0 ! ip classless ! ! line con 0 line aux 0 line vty 0 4 password cisco login ! end R2 Routing Table: R2#sh ip route Codes: C - connected, S - static, I - IGRP, R - RIP, M - mobile, B - BGP D - EIGRP, EX - EIGRP external, O - OSPF, IA - OSPF inter area N1 - OSPF NSSA external type 1, N2 - OSPF NSSA external type 2 E1 - OSPF external type 1, E2 - OSPF external type 2, E - EGP i - IS-IS, L1 - IS-IS level-1, L2 - IS-IS level-2, * - candidate default U - per-user static route, o - ODR Gateway of last resort is not set 10.0.0.0/8 is variably subnetted, 2 subnets, 2 masks O 10.1.0.0/16 [110/74] via 10.128.1.1, 00:06:04, Serial0 C 10.128.0.0/9 is directly connected, Serial0 C 172.16.0.0/16 is directly connected, Loopback0 _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cisco Qualified Specialist--the end for CCNP/CCDP?
They are referring to the NP/DP specializations, not the certs themselves. The NP and DP are actually becoming more important, with the restructuring of the Cisco reseller agreements somewhat de-emphasizing the role of the CCIE. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brad Perlin Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 4:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Cisco Qualified Specialist--the end for CCNP/CCDP? It's clear you won't be able to renew your CCNP or CCDP if you already have it, but has anyone heard of a deadline for completing these if you are somewhere in the middle of the process? Or, am I misunderstanding this new certification intiative? My read is that CCNP/CCDP designations are going away. Knowledgeable comments would be appreciated. http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/pdf/CQS.pdf http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/cqs/cqs_faq.pdf Excerts from the above links: "Each Cisco Qualified Specialist designation is customized to meet current market needs. Individuals may earn designations in as many technical areas as they choose. Over time, and in response to new technology developments, Cisco will create additional designations. Note: Candidates for the Cisco Qualified Specialist designation must hold a valid associate-level certification. Current CCNP or CCDP specializations are valid until their expiration date. Individuals with expired CCNP or CCDP specializations may choose to test for a Cisco Qualified Specialist designation, if one is available, in their preferred field." "6. What happens to the Cisco CCNP or CCDP specializations I already earned? Previously earned specializations will remain active for a period of two years from the date achieved. There will be no recertification option. At that point, you may choose to test for a Cisco Qualified Specialist, if one is offered, in your preferred field." Brad ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AW: Please Help me with this lab --- Im stuck
Make sure your default gateways on your ethernet hosts are pointing to your router1. dave -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Im Auftrag von Albert Lu Gesendet: Samstag, 17. März 2001 11:45 An: MJL Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: RE: Please Help me with this lab --- Im stuck A suggestion is to a 'trace' and see the results. It would show who is dropping the packet. Could you send a 'trace' result to the list? Albert -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of MJL Sent: Saturday, 17 March 2001 9:33 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Please Help me with this lab --- Im stuck Hi gang... I have a problem that is driving me nutz. Take a look at my configs and see if you can figure it out. Diagram: |___| ethernet LAN | R1 --serial--R2 Problem: I can't ping anything on the LAN from R2 R1#sh run Building configuration... Current configuration: ! version 11.2 no service password-encryption no service udp-small-servers no service tcp-small-servers ! hostname R1 ! ! ! interface Ethernet0 ip address 10.1.5.1 255.255.0.0 ! interface Serial0 ip address 10.128.1.1 255.128.0.0 bandwidth 56 clockrate 56000 ! interface Serial1 no ip address shutdown ! router ospf 200 network 10.1.0.0 0.0.255.255 area 0 network 10.128.0.0 0.0.255.255 area 0 ! ip classless ! ! line con 0 logging synchronous line aux 0 line vty 0 4 login ! end R1 Routing Table: R1#sh ip route Codes: C - connected, S - static, I - IGRP, R - RIP, M - mobile, B - BGP D - EIGRP, EX - EIGRP external, O - OSPF, IA - OSPF inter area N1 - OSPF NSSA external type 1, N2 - OSPF NSSA external type 2 E1 - OSPF external type 1, E2 - OSPF external type 2, E - EGP i - IS-IS, L1 - IS-IS level-1, L2 - IS-IS level-2, * - candidate default U - per-user static route, o - ODR Gateway of last resort is not set 10.0.0.0/8 is variably subnetted, 2 subnets, 2 masks C 10.1.0.0/16 is directly connected, Ethernet0 C 10.128.0.0/9 is directly connected, Serial0 172.16.0.0/32 is subnetted, 1 subnets O 172.16.25.1 [110/1786] via 10.128.1.2, 00:04:20, Serial0 -- -- - Router #2 R2#sh %SYS-5-CONFIG_I: Configured from console by console run Building configuration... Current configuration: ! version 11.2 no service password-encryption no service udp-small-servers no service tcp-small-servers ! hostname R2 ! enable password ccna ! ! interface Loopback0 ip address 172.16.25.1 255.255.0.0 ! interface Ethernet0 no ip address shutdown ! interface Serial0 ip address 10.128.1.2 255.128.0.0 ! interface Serial1 no ip address shutdown ! router ospf 200 network 10.128.0.0 0.0.255.255 area 0 network 172.16.0.0 0.0.255.255 area 0 ! ip classless ! ! line con 0 line aux 0 line vty 0 4 password cisco login ! end R2 Routing Table: R2#sh ip route Codes: C - connected, S - static, I - IGRP, R - RIP, M - mobile, B - BGP D - EIGRP, EX - EIGRP external, O - OSPF, IA - OSPF inter area N1 - OSPF NSSA external type 1, N2 - OSPF NSSA external type 2 E1 - OSPF external type 1, E2 - OSPF external type 2, E - EGP i - IS-IS, L1 - IS-IS level-1, L2 - IS-IS level-2, * - candidate default U - per-user static route, o - ODR Gateway of last resort is not set 10.0.0.0/8 is variably subnetted, 2 subnets, 2 masks O 10.1.0.0/16 [110/74] via 10.128.1.1, 00:06:04, Serial0 C 10.128.0.0/9 is directly connected, Serial0 C 172.16.0.0/16 is directly connected, Loopback0 _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Redistribution RIP and OSPF
Hi all: I was wondering what is the criteria I can think of to Redistribute default route from RIP to OSPF. Any help regarding Redistribution between RIP and OSPF will be appreciated. Regards Almazi Why redistribute at all, rather than just having OSPF originate default from the ASBR connecting to RIP? You must have an unusual configuration -- the usual practice is to have the more capable protocol generate default, not the less capable. Since OSPF will automatically generate default under some circumstances (e.g., at an ABR with summarization), I get nervous about having any non-OSPF-generated defaults injected. -- "What Problem are you trying to solve?" ***send Cisco questions to the list, so all can benefit -- not directly to me*** Howard C. Berkowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technical Director, CertificationZone.com Senior Mgr. IP Protocols Algorithms, Advanced Technology Investments, NortelNetworks (for ID only) "retired" Certified Cisco Systems Instructor (CID) #93005 _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Seriously defining core and edge (was Re: Cisco share in downfall
After posting I wondered how far my liberal use of the word "core" would get me :) To be honest, very few terms in any vernacular can stand up to the rigorous hair splitting that debate inspires. Lexical precision just isn't an important concept to the marketing folks in this business. Seriously, Peter, I am dealing with the edge versus core issue in quite a number of internal and external forums. We specifically have a session at the Internet Society meeting in June that will summarize some thinking in this area. My working definitions are functional, not marketing, and thus have little to do with much of the marketing FUD. I also distinguish between a set of customer definitions and a set of provider definitions. A provider access router, with respect to service providers, is at the customer premises, and may be operated either by the customer or the provider. The customer may have an internal network of substantial size. In that case, the customer access router is closest to the end hosts, customer core routers link campuses or sites, and distribution routers perform concentration and translation functions between access and core. External connectivity is generally a function of the distribution tier, although, if all otherwise unknown traffic defaults to a central external router, that router might be in the customer core. A provider edge device (more than just router, including things like load distributors) establishes the demarcation between service customer and service provider. The edge device is of substantial intelligence, and may be "fed" by collection devices such as DSLAMs, broadband service gateways, dial-in servers, etc. A provider core router speaks to the provider-side interfaces of edge devices. A border router, to use one term suggested by dre here, is at the same hierarchical level as the edge router, but its role is to connect the provider with other providers, not with direct customers. One service provider may be a customer of another, higher-tier provider. In such cases, the router at the lower-level provider is a border router with respect to its own AS, but is an provider access router with respect to the higher-level provider. Fortunately, the debate will be settled in the traditional capitalist manner where technical superiority rarely plays a dominant role. Were it not so, debates of this nature would likely stagnate the markets to such a point as to render them moot. *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 3/16/2001 at 7:05 PM Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: With all this Juniper stuff flying around, I remind you all to consider that core routing represents something like 16% of Cisco's revenue stream and Juniper only make core routers. Pete Putting on my chef's hat, I have several tools that variously remove apple cores, leaving the rest intact, or also slice the remaining part. Does this mean that Victorinox, Sabatier, etc., are significant players in the core market? Those ...routers...that also slice the fruit into segments, clearly, are distributed edge processors in the same housing as the core router. As far as the charges and countercharges about the Lightreading tests, the Master of Networks asked the Novice, "Grasshopper, what is the difference between a seller of used cars and a networking marketdroid?" "I know not, sensei. Enlighten me." "The seller of used cars knows when he is lying." Other scholars add that the seller of used cars also knows how to drive one. In a different current controversy, one wonders if new.net has any conception of the operational impact their product may have. See continuing flames on NANOG. It may be necessary to bring in a mediator to deal with the question of whether Cisco is faster than Juniper, or vice versa. Perhaps Bill Clinton can help explain the meaning of "is" in this context. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: TCPmag.com Salary Survey Reality
I know the figures seemed a little lower than I expected... but the market
had to flatten-out. When I took my ICRC classes in late 99/ early 2000,
companies were hiring people out of the class in the 50's (just like the
early MCSE guys experienced). It was crazy, but it happened none the less.
I think we're seeing effects of a larger # of paper certifications
(non-technical test takers) growing #'s of certified people. I've always
made above scale (can't always explain why :-) but I think it's more
personal now-a-days... you cannot hide behind that little Cisco card. You
gotta have the can-do, not dress like your in gym class, know your
business (no more of this learning @ the install site or taking too long to
configure something because you're not prepared... because you stayed up to
watch the hockey game last night ;-)
If your new still working on your CCNA- this is the best move you could
ever make !!! I can think of no brighter spot than in the network field.
It's just a lot of us guys who had a free ride ("me" for almost a year)
because we were first.
Enjoy the weekend everyone
I gotta go study for that last NP exam
Phil
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 1:35 PM
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The interview with the hiring manager is more enlightening. His feeling
was that the survey's salary estimate for CCNAs was high and his reason
was that too often people show up with just a CCNA and no experience.
However, he also thought that the salaries for CCNP and CCDP were a
little bit on the low side.
Hey, can someone forward this to my boss? :-) I'm too chicken to do it
myself.
John
Highly underpaid CCNP/DP
"Groupstudy" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/16/01 8:21:37 AM
What a joke. According to their chart an 18 year old kid right out of
high
school who lives in Detriot could spend 81 hours of studying and then
land
themselves a job paying $73K per year.
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Hi,
See how much CCIE, CCNP and CCNA's are paid
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looking for a job
Hi, I am a job seeker looking for an opportunity in network engineer/administration in NT, Cisco LAN/WAN. I am open to relocation. I am open to travel to any extent as required by the job. The only catch is that I am under legal obligation to continue employment through the company who holds my H-1B. But they are willing to let me join another company at a nominal finder fee. They can also let me work on a contract. If this may work ok with you, I very much look forward to hearing from you. You may please be informed that I have excellent technical skills and I am interested in making it in the US. Enclosed please find my resume. Thanks Regards. Swapnil Jain (BBA, CNE, MCSE, CCNA) _ Chat with your friends as soon as they come online. Get Rediff Bol at http://bol.rediff.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ccnp
cisco press bscn is the best... Lim Jit Cherng [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ Uni = 93326456 "Try not to become a man of success, but rather try to become a man of value." -Albert Einstein -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of seifu argaw Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 2:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ccnp what material is good for ccnp(routing)? __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ISDN Config Problems
using debug isdn q.921, debug isdn q9.31, debug ppp. ""Albert Lu"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] ¼¶¼g©ó¶l¥ó [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi Everyone, I'm currently configuring a 3600 for ISDN connectivity using a BRI w/ S/T port. It is currently connected to the NT1 and everything ready to go, except for the username and password. The situation with the username and password is that, it is currently being used on another access server to connect to the ISP. So in theory, if I were to try and connect with the 3600 the ISP would probably won't let me connect since I am already connected using the same username/password. I would like to test out my configuration, without having to disconnect the ISDN connection on the other box. Is it possible to test out that everything is working on the 3600, eventhough I cannot connect to the ISP? I'm currently using 'show isdn history' to see if any calls have been made based on various traffic I try to send out. At the moment, I don't see any attempts to connect and I'm not sure whether it's my configuration or just the ISP refusing my connection. Thanks in advance. Albert _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 1602
Check. http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/471/75.html Martijn Hi All I am wondering if you can connect 2 1602 56k dsu/csu ports together back-to-back and if you can what would be the pin-out. Thanks quackenbush _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco Qualified Specialist--the end for CCNP/CCDP?
I am not agree with this. I believe that NP/DP become more common not important. "Chris Supino" [EMAIL PROTECTED] ¼¶¼g©ó¶l¥ó [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... They are referring to the NP/DP specializations, not the certs themselves. The NP and DP are actually becoming more important, with the restructuring of the Cisco reseller agreements somewhat de-emphasizing the role of the CCIE. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brad Perlin Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 4:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Cisco Qualified Specialist--the end for CCNP/CCDP? It's clear you won't be able to renew your CCNP or CCDP if you already have it, but has anyone heard of a deadline for completing these if you are somewhere in the middle of the process? Or, am I misunderstanding this new certification intiative? My read is that CCNP/CCDP designations are going away. Knowledgeable comments would be appreciated. http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/pdf/CQS.pdf http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/cqs/cqs_faq.pdf Excerts from the above links: "Each Cisco Qualified Specialist designation is customized to meet current market needs. Individuals may earn designations in as many technical areas as they choose. Over time, and in response to new technology developments, Cisco will create additional designations. Note: Candidates for the Cisco Qualified Specialist designation must hold a valid associate-level certification. Current CCNP?or CCDP?specializations are valid until their expiration date. Individuals with expired CCNP or CCDP specializations may choose to test for a Cisco Qualified Specialist designation, if one is available, in their preferred field." "6. What happens to the Cisco CCNP or CCDP specializations I already earned? Previously earned specializations will remain active for a period of two years from the date achieved. There will be no recertification option. At that point, you may choose to test for a Cisco Qualified Specialist, if one is offered, in your preferred field." Brad ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
using cisco cd without network , why cant i?
I know this is a silly question and im too embarrassed to ask the guys at the office... buy every time i try to user my doc cd it gives me a blank page unless im connected to a network how do i look at this if im on a plane or something. I know this is simple and pray no one from my office ever sees this! :) can anyone discreetly help? hahaha Thanks Bethy __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cisco Qualified Specialist--the end for CCNP/CCDP?
All depends on your organization and your job role. Although the CCNP and CCDP are becoming much more common, they are no where near as common (or undervalued) as an NT 4.0 MCSE. And I was referring to reseller requirements, which does not apply to everyone, because we all don't work for resellers. But thanks for you opinion. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Vincent Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 12:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cisco Qualified Specialist--the end for CCNP/CCDP? I am not agree with this. I believe that NP/DP become more common not important. "Chris Supino" [EMAIL PROTECTED] ¼¶¼g©ó¶l¥ó [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... They are referring to the NP/DP specializations, not the certs themselves. The NP and DP are actually becoming more important, with the restructuring of the Cisco reseller agreements somewhat de-emphasizing the role of the CCIE. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brad Perlin Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 4:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Cisco Qualified Specialist--the end for CCNP/CCDP? It's clear you won't be able to renew your CCNP or CCDP if you already have it, but has anyone heard of a deadline for completing these if you are somewhere in the middle of the process? Or, am I misunderstanding this new certification intiative? My read is that CCNP/CCDP designations are going away. Knowledgeable comments would be appreciated. http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/pdf/CQS.pdf http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/cqs/cqs_faq.pdf Excerts from the above links: "Each Cisco Qualified Specialist designation is customized to meet current market needs. Individuals may earn designations in as many technical areas as they choose. Over time, and in response to new technology developments, Cisco will create additional designations. Note: Candidates for the Cisco Qualified Specialist designation must hold a valid associate-level certification. Current CCNP?or CCDP?specializations are valid until their expiration date. Individuals with expired CCNP or CCDP specializations may choose to test for a Cisco Qualified Specialist designation, if one is available, in their preferred field." "6. What happens to the Cisco CCNP or CCDP specializations I already earned? Previously earned specializations will remain active for a period of two years from the date achieved. There will be no recertification option. At that point, you may choose to test for a Cisco Qualified Specialist, if one is offered, in your preferred field." Brad ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How to prepare for IE Lab?
I just passed by CCIE Written. I need to know what is the best way to prepare for the lab. Could someone please share with me the most effective way. thanks, -dave _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 1 Mbps ATM PVC running BGP
First thing I would check is traffic-shaping parameters. Ask your ISP for _exact_ shaping specs for your PVC. If there is a mismatch on either side, one of you will drop cells. Once a single cell drops, you start re-transmitting entire packets... Then you might drop a cell from the re-transmitted packet. basically all hell breaks loose. Hope this helps, Travis - Original Message - From: "Ibrahim" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 5:42 AM Subject: 1 Mbps ATM PVC running BGP Hi, I've 1 Mbps ATM PVC (VBR-nrt)to other ISP and trying to run BGP on it. But the BGP is always up and down (for 2-3 minutes). Anyone have experienced with kind this problem ? Also I always can't get success when I'm doing ping using 4000 bytes datagram through this PVC although the MTU on the ATM interface is 4470 bytes. regards Ibrahim _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: using cisco cd without network , why cant i?
Good Question !!! The documentation CD is a series of plug-ins to access links on the Cisco website. I received a CD from a friend (a year or 2 ago) it was suppose to contain a lot of info dealing with the old ABC routers (AGS, MGS, CGS), we'll it didn't work that well because the links were no longer supported. This is the extent of what I know- Phil - Original Message - From: "beth shriver" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 3:54 PM Subject: using cisco cd without network , why cant i? I know this is a silly question and im too embarrassed to ask the guys at the office... buy every time i try to user my doc cd it gives me a blank page unless im connected to a network how do i look at this if im on a plane or something. I know this is simple and pray no one from my office ever sees this! :) can anyone discreetly help? hahaha Thanks Bethy __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
IE Lab
What are the exact reference materials you are given when you take the lab? -dave _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: using cisco cd without network , why cant i?
Sounds like it was installed on a network drive. Get a hold of the first disk in the two disk documentation set and reinstall it to your local hard drive. It does not matter if you are connected to the Internet or not. There are a few links on the disk that do point to CCO though, just avoid them. 99.9% of the docs will be available directly from the CD. - Original Message - From: beth shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 9:54 AM Subject: using cisco cd without network , why cant i? I know this is a silly question and im too embarrassed to ask the guys at the office... buy every time i try to user my doc cd it gives me a blank page unless im connected to a network how do i look at this if im on a plane or something. I know this is simple and pray no one from my office ever sees this! :) can anyone discreetly help? hahaha Thanks Bethy __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IE Lab
The CD is all you need. And they give it to you. You can use all the books if you like, but I don't recommend it :) Pete *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 3/17/2001 at 1:28 PM Dave Malhotra wrote: What are the exact reference materials you are given when you take the lab? -dave _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
VLSM, OSPF, and redistribution into IGRP
I'm working through a scenario in the new Sybex CCIE study guide and I can't get it to work, even using their suggested workaround. Here's the scenario: RouterA --OSPF-- RouterB --IGRP-- RouterC RouterA has two different /27 links, one of which is connected to RouterB. The connecting link is 10.1.2.0/27 and its other link is 10.1.1.32/27. The link between RouterB and RouterC is a /24, 10.1.3.0. The purpose of the scenario is to demonstrate that the /27 networks will not be redistributed in IGRP because the masks are different on each side of RouterB. To remedy this problem, the book suggests summarizing the /27 networks as /24 which would allow them to be redistributed into a classful protocol. Following the instructions, on RouterB I added: router ospf 1 area 0 range 10.1.1.0 255.255.255.0 Supposedly, this would work but it does not. Closer to their example, I even tried "area 0 range 10.1.1.32 255.255.255.0". Am I doing it incorrectly or is their suggestion wrong? I worked around this problem by creating a summarized static route on RouterB and then redistributing static, but I wanted to make it work like in their example. So, redistribution gurus, what's the story? I quickly looked through Doyle's book and I haven't seen this specific example yet. Any ideas? Many thanks, John ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How to determine Frame-Relay BW, Utilization, congestion etc
Hi All, I was wondering if someone could tell me a good way to determine what the utilization, performance, BW, congestion etc is for a frame-relay network. I am trying to figure out the current network condition and if I need additional BW for new remotes sites that are about to be added to the network. I have a hub-spoke network with the core router PTP (sub-interfaces) with the remote sites. Also, does anyone have any experience with the best way to set the traffic up as in QOS or traffic shaping? Does this really help out in BW and performance etc? Thanks for the feedback! Max __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
I will probably get yelled at for this one but... I am a CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, and yes going after the CCIE. So up front I am not against certs. I am becoming aware of more and more people becoming Cisco certified and not know enough to go and actually do the work. Our company has and is interviewing for network folks, I have the opportunity to interview these people to verify technical experience. I have had CCNA, CCNP, and yes even CCIE written folks who could not tell me what they 'should' acutally know. This scares me because I am also working hard toward my certs and the CCIE. But it has been proven and is showing up more that these people are becoming "paper" Cisco folks, as in the paper MCSE. I know and hope the CCIE LAB and title will remain as difficult if not more so in the future. I for one do not want to spend a year of my life gaining the CCIE title to be one among thousands who also have it. That is my insite and hope Cisco will try to make it more difficult to obtain the CCNP/DP and not become another MCSE program. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ISL VLANS between routers
All, From the experience I have had in the campus networks, I have done both ISL/802.1Q over single fiber between buildings. I have always used a MLS with gigabit technology for this design. The use of vlans, from my understanding, is based on broadcast and the use of being able to centralize manage IDF wire closets without having to go to each one physically, and also not having to worry about where people are physically. By using a MLS, you can assign port users to vlans and do management by software. You dont have to worry about acct being in 3 different vlans and can control/support the areas and users better. Well, thats my spill, and I have only done this on Cisco equipment. Also, based on Cisco equipment, from what I understand you can not do this over a T1 or fram relay? Please let me know if this is wrong. Thanks! --- Peter Van Oene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Juniper supports a feature called CCC (circuit cross connect) which essentially enables layer two technologies to span across WAN backbones via MPLS. This works with many layer two encapsulations including ppp, frame, ethernet/802.1q etc. This technique can provide the type of functionality you require, however likely at a price point that won't mate with the revenue stream it would support. Pete *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 3/13/2001 at 11:29 AM Jack wrote: Anyone know of a way to route Vlans over a WAN other than using Cisco ISL? I have customer with two sites, a 7204 on each site connected with a DS3 but Cisco says that his VLAN info can only be passed over Ethernet interfaces. He has a 6509 behind each router and the VLAN's are defined in those switches. Anyone had any experience with GIGAMAN from PacBell or Yipes.com ? _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ISL VLANS between routers
Sorry, thats acct being located in 3 different buildings not vlans. My point is the ability to do configurations etc virtual and centrally versus physically and distributed. thanks --- Peter Van Oene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Juniper supports a feature called CCC (circuit cross connect) which essentially enables layer two technologies to span across WAN backbones via MPLS. This works with many layer two encapsulations including ppp, frame, ethernet/802.1q etc. This technique can provide the type of functionality you require, however likely at a price point that won't mate with the revenue stream it would support. Pete *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 3/13/2001 at 11:29 AM Jack wrote: Anyone know of a way to route Vlans over a WAN other than using Cisco ISL? I have customer with two sites, a 7204 on each site connected with a DS3 but Cisco says that his VLAN info can only be passed over Ethernet interfaces. He has a 6509 behind each router and the VLAN's are defined in those switches. Anyone had any experience with GIGAMAN from PacBell or Yipes.com ? _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
JUst because u think they dont know nothing, they really dont know nothing . Can u post your grades here so that well see how smart u are? If u think that you know more than people who are getting CCXX certified then why dont u hurry up and take the lab. Dont u think that these people should be credited for what they have achieved. Cisco is not mystery anymore. More and more people will try to learn it. More and more people will produce learning aides, materials that will enables guys to learn as easily as possible. These guys dont have to worry about your opinions after they passed these exams. These guys may even passed the lab before you do. And maybe you will come here complaining that Cisco made the lab so easy. -Original Message- From: Mike Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, March 18, 2001 2:54 AM Subject: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX I will probably get yelled at for this one but... I am a CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, and yes going after the CCIE. So up front I am not against certs. I am becoming aware of more and more people becoming Cisco certified and not know enough to go and actually do the work. Our company has and is interviewing for network folks, I have the opportunity to interview these people to verify technical experience. I have had CCNA, CCNP, and yes even CCIE written folks who could not tell me what they 'should' acutally know. This scares me because I am also working hard toward my certs and the CCIE. But it has been proven and is showing up more that these people are becoming "paper" Cisco folks, as in the paper MCSE. I know and hope the CCIE LAB and title will remain as difficult if not more so in the future. I for one do not want to spend a year of my life gaining the CCIE title to be one among thousands who also have it. That is my insite and hope Cisco will try to make it more difficult to obtain the CCNP/DP and not become another MCSE program. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
Hi Mike; I find your comment very interesting, most positions state how many years of experience before applying. The only exceptions that I have seen with certification positions, is in the programing field. It's not the certification being a problem - it's the resources for people to obtain experience. My thoughts are that there needs to be more labs for people to work in when studying for their certification that are affordable or that it can be obtain. People need to be involved with study groups and they should do volunteer work or try working as a contractor. This problem became obvious when Cisco Microsoft started programs in San Jose for the welfare people to start becoming certified. Why did they do that What amazes me is how these people, that you are seeing, have passed the test my 03 cents worth. respectfully, adele Mike Davis wrote: I will probably get yelled at for this one but... I am a CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, and yes going after the CCIE. So up front I am not against certs. I am becoming aware of more and more people becoming Cisco certified and not know enough to go and actually do the work. Our company has and is interviewing for network folks, I have the opportunity to interview these people to verify technical experience. I have had CCNA, CCNP, and yes even CCIE written folks who could not tell me what they 'should' acutally know. This scares me because I am also working hard toward my certs and the CCIE. But it has been proven and is showing up more that these people are becoming "paper" Cisco folks, as in the paper MCSE. I know and hope the CCIE LAB and title will remain as difficult if not more so in the future. I for one do not want to spend a year of my life gaining the CCIE title to be one among thousands who also have it. That is my insite and hope Cisco will try to make it more difficult to obtain the CCNP/DP and not become another MCSE program. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
I have had CCNA, CCNP, and yes even CCIE written folks who could not tell me what they 'should' acutally know. Maybe it's just me, but comments like this have always bothered me, regardless of whatever cert program we're talking about. This might come off as a little stronger than I intend it to, but: who are you to say what a CCxx should or should not know? Some people seem to think that because one has a cert, that they should have *the exact answer* to *any* question you throw at them at the tips of their fingers. Well, unfortunately, this just isn't the case. I wrote a post a while ago asking what a patch panel was. I was a CCNA at the time (I'm now a CCNP DP), but at that time I didn't know what a patch panel was. Some people might have said "Well, a *true* CCNA would have *known* what a patch panel was," but hey, guess what, the CCNA doesn't test on patch panels. Maybe you asked this CCxx something that was fair game on the certification test, but they didn't get that question, or maybe they got it and got it wrong, but got enough right to pass the test. In other words, it sounds like you're saying that only people who get 100% on the tests should be granted the certification. And maybe you're right. But Cisco makes the rules, and we play by them - if someone earns the cert, then guess what, they've earned it. Know what they call the doctor who graduates at the bottom of his class? "Doctor." Deal with it. If they're just lucky or good test-takers and don't really know what they're doing, it'll all come out in the end. Who says what a CCxx should or should not know? Cisco says. They say you need a certain percentage of a certain list of topics. If you want to hold a different standard, go right ahead. BJ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VLSM, OSPF, and redistribution into IGRP
The "area range" command only works when you're redistributing between OSPF areas - from area 1 into area 0, for example. In your scenario, you're redistributing from OSPF into a completely different protocol that doesn't know what the heck an "area" is. In order to do this redistribution, try using the "summary address" command on Router B instead of the "area range" command. BJ - Original Message - From: John Neiberger To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 5:59 PM Subject: VLSM, OSPF, and redistribution into IGRP I'm working through a scenario in the new Sybex CCIE study guide and I can't get it to work, even using their suggested workaround. Here's the scenario: RouterA --OSPF-- RouterB --IGRP-- RouterC RouterA has two different /27 links, one of which is connected to RouterB. The connecting link is 10.1.2.0/27 and its other link is 10.1.1.32/27. The link between RouterB and RouterC is a /24, 10.1.3.0. The purpose of the scenario is to demonstrate that the /27 networks will not be redistributed in IGRP because the masks are different on each side of RouterB. To remedy this problem, the book suggests summarizing the /27 networks as /24 which would allow them to be redistributed into a classful protocol. Following the instructions, on RouterB I added: router ospf 1 area 0 range 10.1.1.0 255.255.255.0 Supposedly, this would work but it does not. Closer to their example, I even tried "area 0 range 10.1.1.32 255.255.255.0". Am I doing it incorrectly or is their suggestion wrong? I worked around this problem by creating a summarized static route on RouterB and then redistributing static, but I wanted to make it work like in their example. So, redistribution gurus, what's the story? I quickly looked through Doyle's book and I haven't seen this specific example yet. Any ideas? Many thanks, John ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VLSM, OSPF, and redistribution into IGRP
Need to see the remainder of your configs. I don't think you are using the correct area range summary but without knowing your addressing scheme, I cannot say for sure. - Original Message - From: John Neiberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 2:59 PM Subject: VLSM, OSPF, and redistribution into IGRP I'm working through a scenario in the new Sybex CCIE study guide and I can't get it to work, even using their suggested workaround. Here's the scenario: RouterA --OSPF-- RouterB --IGRP-- RouterC RouterA has two different /27 links, one of which is connected to RouterB. The connecting link is 10.1.2.0/27 and its other link is 10.1.1.32/27. The link between RouterB and RouterC is a /24, 10.1.3.0. The purpose of the scenario is to demonstrate that the /27 networks will not be redistributed in IGRP because the masks are different on each side of RouterB. To remedy this problem, the book suggests summarizing the /27 networks as /24 which would allow them to be redistributed into a classful protocol. Following the instructions, on RouterB I added: router ospf 1 area 0 range 10.1.1.0 255.255.255.0 Supposedly, this would work but it does not. Closer to their example, I even tried "area 0 range 10.1.1.32 255.255.255.0". Am I doing it incorrectly or is their suggestion wrong? I worked around this problem by creating a summarized static route on RouterB and then redistributing static, but I wanted to make it work like in their example. So, redistribution gurus, what's the story? I quickly looked through Doyle's book and I haven't seen this specific example yet. Any ideas? Many thanks, John ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ISL VLANS between routers
Trunking requires at least 100mb speed. - Original Message - From: Mike Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 4:07 PM Subject: Re: ISL VLANS between routers All, From the experience I have had in the campus networks, I have done both ISL/802.1Q over single fiber between buildings. I have always used a MLS with gigabit technology for this design. The use of vlans, from my understanding, is based on broadcast and the use of being able to centralize manage IDF wire closets without having to go to each one physically, and also not having to worry about where people are physically. By using a MLS, you can assign port users to vlans and do management by software. You dont have to worry about acct being in 3 different vlans and can control/support the areas and users better. Well, thats my spill, and I have only done this on Cisco equipment. Also, based on Cisco equipment, from what I understand you can not do this over a T1 or fram relay? Please let me know if this is wrong. Thanks! --- Peter Van Oene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Juniper supports a feature called CCC (circuit cross connect) which essentially enables layer two technologies to span across WAN backbones via MPLS. This works with many layer two encapsulations including ppp, frame, ethernet/802.1q etc. This technique can provide the type of functionality you require, however likely at a price point that won't mate with the revenue stream it would support. Pete *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 3/13/2001 at 11:29 AM Jack wrote: Anyone know of a way to route Vlans over a WAN other than using Cisco ISL? I have customer with two sites, a 7204 on each site connected with a DS3 but Cisco says that his VLAN info can only be passed over Ethernet interfaces. He has a 6509 behind each router and the VLAN's are defined in those switches. Anyone had any experience with GIGAMAN from PacBell or Yipes.com ? _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
some of the certs are like getting a "paper diploma" (which is what I got... heheheh) So, if they are going to take the risk and study for the cert on the hopes that they can get a job using the cert as leverage, more power to them! By virtue of the testing mechanism, the CCNA/CCNP/CCDA/CCDP will be attainable by studying. I work with one now, who has both a CCNP and CCDP, but couldn't reload an erased flash on a 2600 series router... go figure. I was very tempted to ask, "What are those certs really for?", but I just smiled and helped him reload the flash from a tftp server using rommon. (By the way, the variables in rommon on a 2600 are case sensitive :-) When I first started working in industry after earning my degree, my boss put me together with a technician who had no degree, but tons of experience. The tech rolled his eyes when he met me and said, "Great...I gotta train ANOTHER engineer". What he didn't count on was that I'd learn how to do his job, not to his skill level (he had 10+ years in the industry), but good enough so that he'd trust me to do the work if he wasn't around. I kind of feel like him, now... a non-certified "packet jockey" that has to train these certified, "paper trained", network "engineers". I interviewed a guy the other day and asked him, "Why do you want to get Cisco certified?". He said, because he wanted to be a network engineer and learn how to read/interpret Cisco configurations. When I asked him "Why do you want to be a network engineer?", his reason was pretty weak (but I'd guess he'd have said "the money" if I pressed him). The havoc I could wreak on these guys with policy routing, access-groups, NAT, and route maps... heheheheh...evil grin - Original Message - From: Mike Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 3:51 PM Subject: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX I will probably get yelled at for this one but... I am a CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, and yes going after the CCIE. So up front I am not against certs. I am becoming aware of more and more people becoming Cisco certified and not know enough to go and actually do the work. Our company has and is interviewing for network folks, I have the opportunity to interview these people to verify technical experience. I have had CCNA, CCNP, and yes even CCIE written folks who could not tell me what they 'should' acutally know. This scares me because I am also working hard toward my certs and the CCIE. But it has been proven and is showing up more that these people are becoming "paper" Cisco folks, as in the paper MCSE. I know and hope the CCIE LAB and title will remain as difficult if not more so in the future. I for one do not want to spend a year of my life gaining the CCIE title to be one among thousands who also have it. That is my insite and hope Cisco will try to make it more difficult to obtain the CCNP/DP and not become another MCSE program. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
show process results.
I am noticing that our connection to the internet is really slow. However when I do tracroutes and extended pings I dont see unusuall results. Doing a sh process I see High CPU utiliztion.Shouldnt be as Its Sat and hardly any one is at work. I checked my fire wall and did not see any unusaul stuff, just http traffic . I was wondering if any would could suggest what I S should be loking at in my result below. I am trying to also get in touch with our ISP to see if they are having some probs, . # sh process CPU utilization for five seconds: 5%/4%; one minute: 6%; five minutes: 6% PID QTy PC Runtime (ms)Invoked uSecsStacks TTY Process 1 Csp 802CC11C 2681123059 0 2640/3000 0 Load Meter 2 Mwe 80446AC40 2 023572/24000 0 PPP auth 3 Lst 802B5B00 2342020 5710464101 5740/6000 0 Check heaps 4 Cwe 802ACF040 1 0 5604/6000 0 Chunk Manager 5 Cwe 802BB450 132 961375 5636/6000 0 Pool Manager 6 Mst 802389D00 2 0 5596/6000 0 Timers 7 Mwe 8001B8FC0 2 0 5612/6000 0 Serial Backgroun 8 Msi 80301938 5920 187128 31 5600/6000 0 Environmental mo 9 Lwe 80316478 6488 102440 63 5304/6000 0 ARP Input 10 Mwe 8048B2680 3 0 5596/6000 0 DDR Timers 11 Mwe 804A36500 2 011608/12000 0 Dialer event 12 Lwe 806194CC8 24000 5644/6000 0 Entity MIB API 13 Mwe 8001FCE40 1 0 5640/6000 0 SERIAL A'detect 14 Cwe 802C0BF00 1 0 5632/6000 0 Critical Bkgnd 15 Mwe 8028AFC0 183116 786435 23210604/12000 0 Net Background 16 Lwe 8022DC200 35 011248/12000 0 Logger 17 Msp 8024C238 83445613789 1 5540/6000 0 TTY Background 18 Msp 8028A600 26285613795 0 5828/6000 0 Per-Second Jobs 19 Mwe 800A78600 2 0 5552/6000 0 Hawkeye Backgrou 20 Hwe 8028A838 1916161611492 118 5628/6000 0 Net Input 21 Csp 80291CC4 3361123060 0 5624/6000 0 Compute load avg PID QTy PC Runtime (ms)Invoked uSecsStacks TTY Process 22 Msp 8028A650 1503576 93564 16070 5736/6000 0 Per-minute Jobs 23 Msp 80159144 3844 22282300 0 4632/6000 0 Framer backgroun 24 Mwe 8033EA18 26083883461262 75311024/12000 0 IP Input 25 Mwe 803E105C 210948 658709 320 5452/6000 0 CDP Protocol 26 Lwe 806D02B00 1 0 5324/6000 0 X.25 Encaps Mana 27 Mwe 8012F2340 2 0 5600/6000 0 Emulator 28 Hwe 804541EC0 1 0 5736/6000 0 Asy FS Helper 29 Mwe 8042F8B04 31333 4940/6000 0 PPP IP Add Route 30 Mwe 8039F5D4 360416 936213849 8368/9000 0 IP Background 31 Mwe 801E6B0444960 93586 480 5604/6000 0 Adj Manager 32 Mst 80327A444 2198 111392/12000 0 TCP Timer 33 Lwe 8032C82C 252175144011268/12000 0 TCP Protocols 34 Lwe 80377ACC0 1 0 5644/6000 0 Probe Input 35 Mwe 80378D280 1 0 5644/6000 0 RARP Input 36 Mwe 80387D7C0 1 0 5792/6000 0 HTTP Timer 37 Hwe 803939680 1 0 5780/6000 0 Socket Timers 38 Mwe 8031CB5C4 22000 5472/6000 0 DHCPD Receive 39 Lsi 803D94D4 991332 93564 10595 5356/6000 0 IP Cache Ager 40 Hwe 806DCF8C4 14000 5620/6000 0 PAD InCall 41 Mwe 806A3E680 2 011604/12000 0 X.25 Background 42 Mwe 8012726C0 1 023788/24000 0 ISDN Timer 43 Mwe 802E44D40 1 0 5768/6000 0 Time Range Proce PID QTy PC Runtime (ms)Invoked uSecsStacks TTY Process 44 M* 0 344139247410068/12000 66 Virtual Exec 45 Mwe 803EB3800 1 0 5768/6000 0 ISDNMIB Backgrou 46 Mwe 803F5CAC0 1 0 5772/6000 0 CallMIB Backgrou 47 Lwe 804210AC0 1 011652/12000 0 SNMP ConfCopyPro 48 Mwe 807922B44 14000 5656/6000 0 Syslog Traps 49 Hwe 8047DC900 2 0 5600/6000 0 CCP manager 50 Mwe 8042FA08 3400081122079 3036/12000 0 PPP manager 51 Hwe 8045FB14 6925615273 0 5616/6000 0 Multilink PPP 52 Hwe 8045737C0 2 0 5620/6000 0 Multilink PPP ou 53 Mwe 8045FC744 22000 5608/6000 0 Multilink event 54 Mwe 80737A000 2 0 5628/6000 0 IP
Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX ( very long)
I think a person's attitude regarding this situation depends entirely on their experience. For me, I began in this field a little over two years ago. Starting from scratch, not even knowing what a router was, I looked up to the CCNA certification as something fairly lofty. All I did for months was study until my head hurt, and then I'd study some more. I also was getting daily hands-on experience at work doing very basic stuff and my employer sent me to a few classes that helped out greatly. One of the biggest helps was discovering this list! g By the time I got around to taking the test, it was far easier than I expected. This was my first Cisco test and I discovered that for a great number of questions, one did not need to know the answer, but you simply had to have decent reasoning skills. For me, I had reached a new plateau and I was totally psyched about it. At this point I thought I might never be able to grasp even CCNP-level concepts, as I was just really getting a hold on material at my current level. I wasn't content, yet I was glad that I had reached one of my first major goals. It was later, while still a CCNA, that I would interact from time to time with other CCNA-level people who had not had the benefit of employer-paid classes and hands-on experience. Because I tend to be egocentric and expect everyone to be like me g I would sometimes be surprised that they could not answer what I thought was a simple question. I began to be concerned that the CCNA was really too easy, not remembering how hard I had studied for months. That was easy?? It was pretty dang hard at the time! My concerns grew when I would interact with CCNP-level people who also could not answer questions that I thought they should have known the answers to. Now I was worried that CCNP was too easy and I hadn't even gotten there yet! It seemed pretty hard to me at the time and it took me longer to get it than I originally expected. After finally reaching CCNP and then CCDP, I wasn't as excited as I was about getting CCNA. I think at this point, the further we progress the more we realize how much we don't know, especially when faced with the daunting CCIE written and lab. In hindsight, it should be noted that the certification does not make the person. There are CCNA-level people out there who are far more advanced than I, and there are CCNPs out there who can't troubleshoot their way out of a paper sack. I find that this is largely dependent on personal work experience. A CCNA with four years experience in a production environment is probably going to be more advanced than a CCNP with two years under his belt. When expecting a certain level of knowledge, we should look at both certifications as well as the actual experience of the person in question. Okay, with all of that said, I must agree in part with the original poster. It does concern me sometimes when a CCNP-level person doesn't seem to understand a basic CCNA-level concept. I think this is because I'm worried that since I'm also a CCNP, someone might encounter this person and assume that the CCNP certification must not mean very much if they don't understand even basic concepts. In the end, though, I don't know if really matters that much. Certifications should never be the final arbiter of a persons abilities. If that were the case, our resumes would be a lot shorter and interviews would be unnecessary. All I can do is strive to make myself a better example of a CCNP (or whatever) and not worry as much about others. When studying martial arts I learned to stop comparing my progress with the progress of others. Their progress was irrelevant to mine. As long as I kept studying and could say that today I am better than I was yesterday, all would be well. I think that applies here, too. Thanks for reading my rambling John the Wordy JUst because u think they dont know nothing, they really dont know nothing . Can u post your grades here so that well see how smart u are? If u think that you know more than people who are getting CCXX certified then why dont u hurry up and take the lab. Dont u think that these people should be credited for what they have achieved. Cisco is not mystery anymore. More and more people will try to learn it. More and more people will produce learning aides, materials that will enables guys to learn as easily as possible. These guys dont have to worry about your opinions after they passed these exams. These guys may even passed the lab before you do. And maybe you will come here complaining that Cisco made the lab so easy. -Original Message- From: Mike Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, March 18, 2001 2:54 AM Subject: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX I will probably get yelled at for this one but... I am a CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, and yes going after the CCIE. So up front I am not against certs. I am
Re: ISL VLANS between routers
Your point is valid, however the original posted indicated that they needed to extend the broadcast domain over a wide area network and hoped to do it using 802.1q. Point to Point fiber, even though it may be long in some cases, doesn't infer the same characteristics as an IP WAN. Pete *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 3/17/2001 at 4:07 PM Mike Davis wrote: All, From the experience I have had in the campus networks, I have done both ISL/802.1Q over single fiber between buildings. I have always used a MLS with gigabit technology for this design. The use of vlans, from my understanding, is based on broadcast and the use of being able to centralize manage IDF wire closets without having to go to each one physically, and also not having to worry about where people are physically. By using a MLS, you can assign port users to vlans and do management by software. You dont have to worry about acct being in 3 different vlans and can control/support the areas and users better. Well, thats my spill, and I have only done this on Cisco equipment. Also, based on Cisco equipment, from what I understand you can not do this over a T1 or fram relay? Please let me know if this is wrong. Thanks! --- Peter Van Oene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Juniper supports a feature called CCC (circuit cross connect) which essentially enables layer two technologies to span across WAN backbones via MPLS. This works with many layer two encapsulations including ppp, frame, ethernet/802.1q etc. This technique can provide the type of functionality you require, however likely at a price point that won't mate with the revenue stream it would support. Pete *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 3/13/2001 at 11:29 AM Jack wrote: Anyone know of a way to route Vlans over a WAN other than using Cisco ISL? I have customer with two sites, a 7204 on each site connected with a DS3 but Cisco says that his VLAN info can only be passed over Ethernet interfaces. He has a 6509 behind each router and the VLAN's are defined in those switches. Anyone had any experience with GIGAMAN from PacBell or Yipes.com ? _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IE Lab
A set of 11.2 IOS books the a 12.1 document CD. The current scuttle is that when the books finally expire (they pull 11.2 off the lab), the books will disappear altogether. So says one of our Cisco engineers our latest CCIE's :-) All the best !!! Phil - Original Message - From: "Peter Van Oene" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Dave Malhotra" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 8:03 PM Subject: Re: IE Lab The CD is all you need. And they give it to you. You can use all the books if you like, but I don't recommend it :) Pete *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 3/17/2001 at 1:28 PM Dave Malhotra wrote: What are the exact reference materials you are given when you take the lab? -dave _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to determine Frame-Relay BW, Utilization, congestion etc
Try MRTG (www.mrtg.org) it's REALLY easy on Win32. max hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi All, I was wondering if someone could tell me a good way to determine what the utilization, performance, BW, congestion etc is for a frame-relay network. I am trying to figure out the current network condition and if I need additional BW for new remotes sites that are about to be added to the network. I have a hub-spoke network with the core router PTP (sub-interfaces) with the remote sites. Also, does anyone have any experience with the best way to set the traffic up as in QOS or traffic shaping? Does this really help out in BW and performance etc? Thanks for the feedback! Max __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fw: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
This archaic line of thought has been around for ages...in every conceivable organization, since Ally Oop was a fetus...for example, "I had to walk five miles to school every day when I was a kid", or "The old corps was better". Some people are lucky enough to find an employer who will hire a no-nothing and train them into a qualified network administrator. Others aren't...they have to work for certifications and then get employed in the networking field. For most, having a certification just means they are trying to be better (better job, advancement, change careers, etc)what can be wrong with that? In the long run it is always your skill, dedication, perseverance, knowledge, attitude, etc., etc. that get you ahead, not the perceived value of your certification. - Original Message - From: "Mike Davis" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 3:51 PM Subject: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX I will probably get yelled at for this one but... I am a CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, and yes going after the CCIE. So up front I am not against certs. I am becoming aware of more and more people becoming Cisco certified and not know enough to go and actually do the work. Our company has and is interviewing for network folks, I have the opportunity to interview these people to verify technical experience. I have had CCNA, CCNP, and yes even CCIE written folks who could not tell me what they 'should' acutally know. This scares me because I am also working hard toward my certs and the CCIE. But it has been proven and is showing up more that these people are becoming "paper" Cisco folks, as in the paper MCSE. I know and hope the CCIE LAB and title will remain as difficult if not more so in the future. I for one do not want to spend a year of my life gaining the CCIE title to be one among thousands who also have it. That is my insite and hope Cisco will try to make it more difficult to obtain the CCNP/DP and not become another MCSE program. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CA Server
Does anyone know where I can download a certificate server that will work with Cisco routers, PIX and Check Point firewall. I am only looking for a shareware or freeware version. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
Dar - I understand your reasoning, and it IS true - USUALLY, the certified guys have a better knowledge base and therefore catch on quicker. The real issue that is being addressed here is the true value of the certification...those experienced network engineers who are in the job already and getting certified feel threatened by the folks who are studying and achieving the certs with no experience or minimal experience, and marketing themselves as CCNP or CCDP. Its the same problem as the initial CNE's and MCSE's faced - but the value of the certification goes up for the CCXX's because *MOST* employers are asking for "CCNP and 4 years of experience", so they're qualifying their need for the certification. Either that, or I've seen ads that say "5 years of networking experience with cisco, bay, foundry, 3Com, CCNP preferable but not required" And of course, the one cert that separates most everyone is the CCIE - it's VERY difficult (some say impossible, but I wouldn't go that far) to obtain a CCIE with no working experience. -e- - Original Message - From: Dar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: EA Louie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 6:52 PM Subject: RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX wot i would like to say for certs that they give you a strong base. If you are a CCNP and CCDP you know a lot more then some guy working, but if you havnt worked you are not comfortable with the equipment. So its just that its easier to train a guy whos certified compared to someone who isnt. And its not wise to expect that a CCNP/CCDP should be knowing everything, and i think if they are given a chance they might do better then others. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of EA Louie Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 6:41 AM To: Mike Davis; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX some of the certs are like getting a "paper diploma" (which is what I got... heheheh) So, if they are going to take the risk and study for the cert on the hopes that they can get a job using the cert as leverage, more power to them! By virtue of the testing mechanism, the CCNA/CCNP/CCDA/CCDP will be attainable by studying. I work with one now, who has both a CCNP and CCDP, but couldn't reload an erased flash on a 2600 series router... go figure. I was very tempted to ask, "What are those certs really for?", but I just smiled and helped him reload the flash from a tftp server using rommon. (By the way, the variables in rommon on a 2600 are case sensitive :-) When I first started working in industry after earning my degree, my boss put me together with a technician who had no degree, but tons of experience. The tech rolled his eyes when he met me and said, "Great...I gotta train ANOTHER engineer". What he didn't count on was that I'd learn how to do his job, not to his skill level (he had 10+ years in the industry), but good enough so that he'd trust me to do the work if he wasn't around. I kind of feel like him, now... a non-certified "packet jockey" that has to train these certified, "paper trained", network "engineers". I interviewed a guy the other day and asked him, "Why do you want to get Cisco certified?". He said, because he wanted to be a network engineer and learn how to read/interpret Cisco configurations. When I asked him "Why do you want to be a network engineer?", his reason was pretty weak (but I'd guess he'd have said "the money" if I pressed him). The havoc I could wreak on these guys with policy routing, access-groups, NAT, and route maps... heheheheh...evil grin - Original Message - From: Mike Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 3:51 PM Subject: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX I will probably get yelled at for this one but... I am a CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, and yes going after the CCIE. So up front I am not against certs. I am becoming aware of more and more people becoming Cisco certified and not know enough to go and actually do the work. Our company has and is interviewing for network folks, I have the opportunity to interview these people to verify technical experience. I have had CCNA, CCNP, and yes even CCIE written folks who could not tell me what they 'should' acutally know. This scares me because I am also working hard toward my certs and the CCIE. But it has been proven and is showing up more that these people are becoming "paper" Cisco folks, as in the paper MCSE. I know and hope the CCIE LAB and title will remain as difficult if not more so in the future. I for one do not want to spend a year of my life gaining the CCIE title to be one among thousands who also have it. That is my insite and hope Cisco will try to make it more difficult to obtain the CCNP/DP and not become another MCSE program. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email
Re: VLSM, OSPF, and redistribution into IGRP
Ok, here are the relevant portions of the configs. Router A: ip subnet-zero ! interface Ethernet0 ip address 10.1.1.33 255.255.255.224 no keepalive ! interface Serial0 ip address 10.1.2.2 255.255.255.224 no fair-queue ! router ospf 1 network 10.1.2.0 0.0.0.31 area 0 network 10.1.1.32 0.0.0.31 area 0 ! ip classless Router B: ip subnet-zero ! interface Serial0 ip address 10.1.2.1 255.255.255.224 clockrate 50 ! interface Serial1 ip address 10.1.3.1 255.255.255.0 ! router ospf 1 network 10.1.2.0 0.0.0.31 area 0 area 0 range 10.1.1.0 255.255.255.0 area 0 range 10.1.2.0 255.255.255.0 ! router igrp 1 redistribute ospf 1 metric 1 1000 255 1 1500 passive-interface Serial0 network 10.0.0.0 default-metric 1 1000 255 1 1500 ! ip classless Here is the routing table for Router B: RouterB#sho ip route Codes: C - connected, S - static, I - IGRP, R - RIP, M - mobile, B - BGP D - EIGRP, EX - EIGRP external, O - OSPF, IA - OSPF inter area E1 - OSPF external type 1, E2 - OSPF external type 2, E - EGP i - IS-IS, L1 - IS-IS level-1, L2 - IS-IS level-2, * - candidate default Gateway of last resort is not set 10.0.0.0 is variably subnetted, 3 subnets, 2 masks C 10.1.3.0 255.255.255.0 is directly connected, Serial1 C 10.1.2.0 255.255.255.224 is directly connected, Serial0 O 10.1.1.32 255.255.255.224 [110/74] via 10.1.2.2, 00:09:01, Serial0 And finally, Router C: ip subnet-zero ! interface Serial1 ip address 10.1.3.2 255.255.255.0 clockrate 50 ! router igrp 1 network 10.0.0.0 ! ip classless As I understand it, Router B would summarize 10.1.1.32/27 as 10.1.1.0/24 so that it can be redistributed into IGRP. As you can see, 10.1.1.32/27 is in the routing table, yet from debugging I can see that the summarized route is not being added to the IGRP update, and therefore RouterC is never seeing the route. I found a different way to make this work, but I wanted to figure it out using the method in the book. So far, no luck. Another oddity that I noticed that I need to check into: on RouterA, I had to add a network statement for the 10.1.1.32/27 network or it wouldn't be advertised. Why is this? I thought that the OSPF network statement specified which interfaces were to participate in the OSPF process, not the actual networks to be advertised (like in BGP.) It seems to me that the 10.1.1.32/27 network would be part of the Router LSA, with or without a specific network statement. Thanks, John Need to see the remainder of your configs. I don't think you are using the correct area range summary but without knowing your addressing scheme, I cannot say for sure. - Original Message - From: John Neiberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 2:59 PM Subject: VLSM, OSPF, and redistribution into IGRP I'm working through a scenario in the new Sybex CCIE study guide and I can't get it to work, even using their suggested workaround. Here's the scenario: RouterA --OSPF-- RouterB --IGRP-- RouterC RouterA has two different /27 links, one of which is connected to RouterB. The connecting link is 10.1.2.0/27 and its other link is 10.1.1.32/27. The link between RouterB and RouterC is a /24, 10.1.3.0. The purpose of the scenario is to demonstrate that the /27 networks will not be redistributed in IGRP because the masks are different on each side of RouterB. To remedy this problem, the book suggests summarizing the /27 networks as /24 which would allow them to be redistributed into a classful protocol. Following the instructions, on RouterB I added: router ospf 1 area 0 range 10.1.1.0 255.255.255.0 Supposedly, this would work but it does not. Closer to their example, I even tried "area 0 range 10.1.1.32 255.255.255.0". Am I doing it incorrectly or is their suggestion wrong? I worked around this problem by creating a summarized static route on RouterB and then redistributing static, but I wanted to make it work like in their example. So, redistribution gurus, what's the story? I quickly looked through Doyle's book and I haven't seen this specific example yet. Any ideas? Many thanks, John ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/
Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
My take on this is the following. A company will typically make a decision based on what you know. If as a result of your studying, you have learned enough to make it through whatever technical grilling is applied at the interview, you probably will get the job. Most times, experience will be preferred, certification is just a measuring stick. Someone could say,"I have 5 years experience with networking", but until you as a potential employer find out more, you do not know if that 5 years was spent supporting control panel challenged users or routers. Someone with a cert and no experience will have a hard time getting more than an entry level gig. Brian Whalen On Sat, 17 Mar 2001, EA Louie wrote: Dar - I understand your reasoning, and it IS true - USUALLY, the certified guys have a better knowledge base and therefore catch on quicker. The real issue that is being addressed here is the true value of the certification...those experienced network engineers who are in the job already and getting certified feel threatened by the folks who are studying and achieving the certs with no experience or minimal experience, and marketing themselves as CCNP or CCDP. Its the same problem as the initial CNE's and MCSE's faced - but the value of the certification goes up for the CCXX's because *MOST* employers are asking for "CCNP and 4 years of experience", so they're qualifying their need for the certification. Either that, or I've seen ads that say "5 years of networking experience with cisco, bay, foundry, 3Com, CCNP preferable but not required" And of course, the one cert that separates most everyone is the CCIE - it's VERY difficult (some say impossible, but I wouldn't go that far) to obtain a CCIE with no working experience. -e- - Original Message - From: Dar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: EA Louie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 6:52 PM Subject: RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX wot i would like to say for certs that they give you a strong base. If you are a CCNP and CCDP you know a lot more then some guy working, but if you havnt worked you are not comfortable with the equipment. So its just that its easier to train a guy whos certified compared to someone who isnt. And its not wise to expect that a CCNP/CCDP should be knowing everything, and i think if they are given a chance they might do better then others. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of EA Louie Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 6:41 AM To: Mike Davis; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX some of the certs are like getting a "paper diploma" (which is what I got... heheheh) So, if they are going to take the risk and study for the cert on the hopes that they can get a job using the cert as leverage, more power to them! By virtue of the testing mechanism, the CCNA/CCNP/CCDA/CCDP will be attainable by studying. I work with one now, who has both a CCNP and CCDP, but couldn't reload an erased flash on a 2600 series router... go figure. I was very tempted to ask, "What are those certs really for?", but I just smiled and helped him reload the flash from a tftp server using rommon. (By the way, the variables in rommon on a 2600 are case sensitive :-) When I first started working in industry after earning my degree, my boss put me together with a technician who had no degree, but tons of experience. The tech rolled his eyes when he met me and said, "Great...I gotta train ANOTHER engineer". What he didn't count on was that I'd learn how to do his job, not to his skill level (he had 10+ years in the industry), but good enough so that he'd trust me to do the work if he wasn't around. I kind of feel like him, now... a non-certified "packet jockey" that has to train these certified, "paper trained", network "engineers". I interviewed a guy the other day and asked him, "Why do you want to get Cisco certified?". He said, because he wanted to be a network engineer and learn how to read/interpret Cisco configurations. When I asked him "Why do you want to be a network engineer?", his reason was pretty weak (but I'd guess he'd have said "the money" if I pressed him). The havoc I could wreak on these guys with policy routing, access-groups, NAT, and route maps... heheheheh...evil grin - Original Message - From: Mike Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 3:51 PM Subject: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX I will probably get yelled at for this one but... I am a CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, and yes going after the CCIE. So up front I am not against certs. I am becoming aware of more and more people becoming Cisco certified and not know enough to go and actually do the work. Our company has and is interviewing for network folks, I have the opportunity to
Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX ( very long)
1)CCNP and CCDP is a staring point, from the name of the exam, you will see. Foundation routing and switching. CCNP/DP just a stepstone to CCIE 2)CCIE can demonstrate the lab and means they can do something. CCIE is a stepstone to real networking world. "John Neiberger" [EMAIL PROTECTED] ¼¶¼g©ó¶l¥ó [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I think a person's attitude regarding this situation depends entirely on their experience. For me, I began in this field a little over two years ago. Starting from scratch, not even knowing what a router was, I looked up to the CCNA certification as something fairly lofty. All I did for months was study until my head hurt, and then I'd study some more. I also was getting daily hands-on experience at work doing very basic stuff and my employer sent me to a few classes that helped out greatly. One of the biggest helps was discovering this list! g By the time I got around to taking the test, it was far easier than I expected. This was my first Cisco test and I discovered that for a great number of questions, one did not need to know the answer, but you simply had to have decent reasoning skills. For me, I had reached a new plateau and I was totally psyched about it. At this point I thought I might never be able to grasp even CCNP-level concepts, as I was just really getting a hold on material at my current level. I wasn't content, yet I was glad that I had reached one of my first major goals. It was later, while still a CCNA, that I would interact from time to time with other CCNA-level people who had not had the benefit of employer-paid classes and hands-on experience. Because I tend to be egocentric and expect everyone to be like me g I would sometimes be surprised that they could not answer what I thought was a simple question. I began to be concerned that the CCNA was really too easy, not remembering how hard I had studied for months. That was easy?? It was pretty dang hard at the time! My concerns grew when I would interact with CCNP-level people who also could not answer questions that I thought they should have known the answers to. Now I was worried that CCNP was too easy and I hadn't even gotten there yet! It seemed pretty hard to me at the time and it took me longer to get it than I originally expected. After finally reaching CCNP and then CCDP, I wasn't as excited as I was about getting CCNA. I think at this point, the further we progress the more we realize how much we don't know, especially when faced with the daunting CCIE written and lab. In hindsight, it should be noted that the certification does not make the person. There are CCNA-level people out there who are far more advanced than I, and there are CCNPs out there who can't troubleshoot their way out of a paper sack. I find that this is largely dependent on personal work experience. A CCNA with four years experience in a production environment is probably going to be more advanced than a CCNP with two years under his belt. When expecting a certain level of knowledge, we should look at both certifications as well as the actual experience of the person in question. Okay, with all of that said, I must agree in part with the original poster. It does concern me sometimes when a CCNP-level person doesn't seem to understand a basic CCNA-level concept. I think this is because I'm worried that since I'm also a CCNP, someone might encounter this person and assume that the CCNP certification must not mean very much if they don't understand even basic concepts. In the end, though, I don't know if really matters that much. Certifications should never be the final arbiter of a persons abilities. If that were the case, our resumes would be a lot shorter and interviews would be unnecessary. All I can do is strive to make myself a better example of a CCNP (or whatever) and not worry as much about others. When studying martial arts I learned to stop comparing my progress with the progress of others. Their progress was irrelevant to mine. As long as I kept studying and could say that today I am better than I was yesterday, all would be well. I think that applies here, too. Thanks for reading my rambling John the Wordy JUst because u think they dont know nothing, they really dont know nothing . Can u post your grades here so that well see how smart u are? If u think that you know more than people who are getting CCXX certified then why dont u hurry up and take the lab. Dont u think that these people should be credited for what they have achieved. Cisco is not mystery anymore. More and more people will try to learn it. More and more people will produce learning aides, materials that will enables guys to learn as easily as possible. These guys dont have to worry about your opinions after they passed these exams. These guys may even passed the lab before you do.
why NAT breaks VPN?
Hi all could anyone explain to me why NAT breaks VPN? Then what could be the solution for that? I heard that policy routing could be one solution. I just want to verify that with you guys. Thanks in advance -- jeongwoo _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
Did he know how to collect information from cisco website? If he did not know how to did it, I just wonder. ""EA Louie"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] ¼¶¼g©ó¶l¥ó 007f01c0af4c$7ee0a240$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:007f01c0af4c$7ee0a240$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... some of the certs are like getting a "paper diploma" (which is what I got... heheheh) So, if they are going to take the risk and study for the cert on the hopes that they can get a job using the cert as leverage, more power to them! By virtue of the testing mechanism, the CCNA/CCNP/CCDA/CCDP will be attainable by studying. I work with one now, who has both a CCNP and CCDP, but couldn't reload an erased flash on a 2600 series router... go figure. I was very tempted to ask, "What are those certs really for?", but I just smiled and helped him reload the flash from a tftp server using rommon. (By the way, the variables in rommon on a 2600 are case sensitive :-) When I first started working in industry after earning my degree, my boss put me together with a technician who had no degree, but tons of experience. The tech rolled his eyes when he met me and said, "Great...I gotta train ANOTHER engineer". What he didn't count on was that I'd learn how to do his job, not to his skill level (he had 10+ years in the industry), but good enough so that he'd trust me to do the work if he wasn't around. I kind of feel like him, now... a non-certified "packet jockey" that has to train these certified, "paper trained", network "engineers". I interviewed a guy the other day and asked him, "Why do you want to get Cisco certified?". He said, because he wanted to be a network engineer and learn how to read/interpret Cisco configurations. When I asked him "Why do you want to be a network engineer?", his reason was pretty weak (but I'd guess he'd have said "the money" if I pressed him). The havoc I could wreak on these guys with policy routing, access-groups, NAT, and route maps... heheheheh...evil grin - Original Message - From: Mike Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 3:51 PM Subject: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX I will probably get yelled at for this one but... I am a CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, and yes going after the CCIE. So up front I am not against certs. I am becoming aware of more and more people becoming Cisco certified and not know enough to go and actually do the work. Our company has and is interviewing for network folks, I have the opportunity to interview these people to verify technical experience. I have had CCNA, CCNP, and yes even CCIE written folks who could not tell me what they 'should' acutally know. This scares me because I am also working hard toward my certs and the CCIE. But it has been proven and is showing up more that these people are becoming "paper" Cisco folks, as in the paper MCSE. I know and hope the CCIE LAB and title will remain as difficult if not more so in the future. I for one do not want to spend a year of my life gaining the CCIE title to be one among thousands who also have it. That is my insite and hope Cisco will try to make it more difficult to obtain the CCNP/DP and not become another MCSE program. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
Hi all, I am really getting fed up with this discussion of paper certification. I read one mail saying that while interviewing some one, the candidate said that he wanted to become a network engineer for better pay. Is the this guy became a network engineer for serving the company and people? Everybody here is trying to make more money for them self and their family to have a better life by getting better qualified and knowledgeable. The certification and study groups and all are only the means for that. First accept this truth. About being paper certified, I am an engineer with more than 8 years experience in networking field, but unfortunately I am working with a company who is not dealing with routers or cisco equipment's. I have experience in modems, muxes, ISDN equipment's, and supports wide area networks. Now are anyone of you, who is talking about paper certification ready to give me a job even at the entry level to work on cisco routers if I present myself as of now without certifications? I did tried and I didn't even got an interview call. Now I have some certification and some experience, at least I am getting some interviews. What I feel is that the certifications shows that the guy knows how this stuff works and some idea of how to make it work. It doesn't mean that he knows in and out of anything. Then it also shows that he is willing to learn and he can pick up things fast. Don't think that since you have 10 years experience and the other guy doesn't means the other guy doesn't worth anything. He may be able to do things which you can't and he may know things that you don't know. Try to share the knowledge and help him. Without giving a chance, how anyone going to learn? Sorry if I hurt anybody's feelings but it doesn't feel write to blame guy's like me for not having experience. We are trying to get experience and we selected the path to get there through certification. Since we got certification we don't claim that we are better than a guy with experience. We just want to show that we can learn if you give us a chance. regards, Manoj. EA Louie wrote: some of the certs are like getting a "paper diploma" (which is what I got... heheheh) So, if they are going to take the risk and study for the cert on the hopes that they can get a job using the cert as leverage, more power to them! By virtue of the testing mechanism, the CCNA/CCNP/CCDA/CCDP will be attainable by studying. I work with one now, who has both a CCNP and CCDP, but couldn't reload an erased flash on a 2600 series router... go figure. I was very tempted to ask, "What are those certs really for?", but I just smiled and helped him reload the flash from a tftp server using rommon. (By the way, the variables in rommon on a 2600 are case sensitive :-) When I first started working in industry after earning my degree, my boss put me together with a technician who had no degree, but tons of experience. The tech rolled his eyes when he met me and said, "Great...I gotta train ANOTHER engineer". What he didn't count on was that I'd learn how to do his job, not to his skill level (he had 10+ years in the industry), but good enough so that he'd trust me to do the work if he wasn't around. I kind of feel like him, now... a non-certified "packet jockey" that has to train these certified, "paper trained", network "engineers". I interviewed a guy the other day and asked him, "Why do you want to get Cisco certified?". He said, because he wanted to be a network engineer and learn how to read/interpret Cisco configurations. When I asked him "Why do you want to be a network engineer?", his reason was pretty weak (but I'd guess he'd have said "the money" if I pressed him). The havoc I could wreak on these guys with policy routing, access-groups, NAT, and route maps... heheheheh...evil grin - Original Message - From: Mike Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 3:51 PM Subject: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX I will probably get yelled at for this one but... I am a CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, and yes going after the CCIE. So up front I am not against certs. I am becoming aware of more and more people becoming Cisco certified and not know enough to go and actually do the work. Our company has and is interviewing for network folks, I have the opportunity to interview these people to verify technical experience. I have had CCNA, CCNP, and yes even CCIE written folks who could not tell me what they 'should' acutally know. This scares me because I am also working hard toward my certs and the CCIE. But it has been proven and is showing up more that these people are becoming "paper" Cisco folks, as in the paper MCSE. I know and hope the CCIE LAB and title will remain as difficult if not more so in the future. I for one do not want to spend a year of my life gaining the CCIE title to be one among thousands who also have
classless behaviour
Hi, To configure classless behaviour, we use "ip subnet-zero" and "ip classless". I never understand them, even after reading Doyle's bible. * When do we need them ? * If we don't use them, what will happen ? * Is there good example to show their effect ? Thank you in advance. Bill _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VLSM, OSPF, and redistribution into IGRP
OK, your only using one area for the whole OSPF network. This means that both routerA and routerC are not ABR (border different areas). The area range command only works on ABR's. This now leaves you with a couple of choices. RouterB is the ASBR (redistributes from OSPF into a different protocol on the same router) and can use the 'summary address' command under the OSPF process to summarize the area into a /24.Rather than trying to get your OSPF routes into IGRP, use the default-netowork command on the IGRP router to give it a default route out of the IGRP domain without knowing where it is sending routes. You will need to enable 'IP classless' on the IGRP router and you will need a network injected into IGRP that is not one of the networks it has routes for. You could do this by adding a static route to null0 which you probably won't want to do, or you could add a network to routerB (try a loopback with a /24 so it gets redistributed) and once it can be seen in the IGRP router route-table, the default-network command will add a candidate default route to your route-table. When using the IGRP default-network command, only use a classfull address. If you use a subnetted address a static route will be injected into your config that only a reboot will remove!! HTH - Original Message - From: John Neiberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Groupstudy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 8:38 PM Subject: Re: VLSM, OSPF, and redistribution into IGRP Ok, here are the relevant portions of the configs. Router A: ip subnet-zero ! interface Ethernet0 ip address 10.1.1.33 255.255.255.224 no keepalive ! interface Serial0 ip address 10.1.2.2 255.255.255.224 no fair-queue ! router ospf 1 network 10.1.2.0 0.0.0.31 area 0 network 10.1.1.32 0.0.0.31 area 0 ! ip classless Router B: ip subnet-zero ! interface Serial0 ip address 10.1.2.1 255.255.255.224 clockrate 50 ! interface Serial1 ip address 10.1.3.1 255.255.255.0 ! router ospf 1 network 10.1.2.0 0.0.0.31 area 0 area 0 range 10.1.1.0 255.255.255.0 area 0 range 10.1.2.0 255.255.255.0 ! router igrp 1 redistribute ospf 1 metric 1 1000 255 1 1500 passive-interface Serial0 network 10.0.0.0 default-metric 1 1000 255 1 1500 ! ip classless Here is the routing table for Router B: RouterB#sho ip route Codes: C - connected, S - static, I - IGRP, R - RIP, M - mobile, B - BGP D - EIGRP, EX - EIGRP external, O - OSPF, IA - OSPF inter area E1 - OSPF external type 1, E2 - OSPF external type 2, E - EGP i - IS-IS, L1 - IS-IS level-1, L2 - IS-IS level-2, * - candidate default Gateway of last resort is not set 10.0.0.0 is variably subnetted, 3 subnets, 2 masks C 10.1.3.0 255.255.255.0 is directly connected, Serial1 C 10.1.2.0 255.255.255.224 is directly connected, Serial0 O 10.1.1.32 255.255.255.224 [110/74] via 10.1.2.2, 00:09:01, Serial0 And finally, Router C: ip subnet-zero ! interface Serial1 ip address 10.1.3.2 255.255.255.0 clockrate 50 ! router igrp 1 network 10.0.0.0 ! ip classless As I understand it, Router B would summarize 10.1.1.32/27 as 10.1.1.0/24 so that it can be redistributed into IGRP. As you can see, 10.1.1.32/27 is in the routing table, yet from debugging I can see that the summarized route is not being added to the IGRP update, and therefore RouterC is never seeing the route. I found a different way to make this work, but I wanted to figure it out using the method in the book. So far, no luck. Another oddity that I noticed that I need to check into: on RouterA, I had to add a network statement for the 10.1.1.32/27 network or it wouldn't be advertised. Why is this? I thought that the OSPF network statement specified which interfaces were to participate in the OSPF process, not the actual networks to be advertised (like in BGP.) It seems to me that the 10.1.1.32/27 network would be part of the Router LSA, with or without a specific network statement. Thanks, John Need to see the remainder of your configs. I don't think you are using the correct area range summary but without knowing your addressing scheme, I cannot say for sure. - Original Message - From: John Neiberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 2:59 PM Subject: VLSM, OSPF, and redistribution into IGRP I'm working through a scenario in the new Sybex CCIE study guide and I can't get it to work, even using their suggested workaround. Here's the scenario: RouterA --OSPF-- RouterB --IGRP-- RouterC RouterA has two different /27 links, one of which is connected to RouterB. The connecting link is 10.1.2.0/27 and its other link is 10.1.1.32/27. The link between RouterB and RouterC is a /24, 10.1.3.0. The purpose of the scenario is to demonstrate that the /27 networks
Re: classless behaviour
Unfortunately, Doyle gives about the best description I have thus read. If I recall, Bruce Caslow hits this a little in his book too. I have just posted an answer to a thread that gives one use of IP classless. Once you begin your quest of CCIE, you will encounter this in such a way it is unavoidable. Until then, forget about it unless you are running an old DV routing protocol at work. - Original Message - From: Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cisco Group Study [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 9:22 PM Subject: classless behaviour Hi, To configure classless behaviour, we use "ip subnet-zero" and "ip classless". I never understand them, even after reading Doyle's bible. * When do we need them ? * If we don't use them, what will happen ? * Is there good example to show their effect ? Thank you in advance. Bill _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: email service set up
Hello, Sorry for this OT question. I'm setting up a network for a small company, they've got a DSL Internet connection. What's the best way to handel email service? If I set up an exchange server locally, what happens if there is something wrong with DSL connection? Thanks in advance. Jim __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VLSM, OSPF, and redistribution into IGRP
Okay, I can see why it was not working now. I wasn't able to get "summary address" to work. It still would not redistribute those routes into IGRP, which was the purpose of the lab scenario. The example in the book just does not work, which worries me. I've found a lot of other minor problems with it (the Sybex CCIE study guide) and I've heard the same comments from a few others. Thanks for the help! John OK, your only using one area for the whole OSPF network. This means that both routerA and routerC are not ABR (border different areas). The area range command only works on ABR's. This now leaves you with a couple of choices. RouterB is the ASBR (redistributes from OSPF into a different protocol on the same router) and can use the 'summary address' command under the OSPF process to summarize the area into a /24.Rather than trying to get your OSPF routes into IGRP, use the default-netowork command on the IGRP router to give it a default route out of the IGRP domain without knowing where it is sending routes. You will need to enable 'IP classless' on the IGRP router and you will need a network injected into IGRP that is not one of the networks it has routes for. You could do this by adding a static route to null0 which you probably won't want to do, or you could add a network to routerB (try a loopback with a /24 so it gets redistributed) and once it can be seen in the IGRP router route-table, the default-network command will add a candidate default route to your route-table. When using the IGRP default-network command, only use a classfull address. If you use a subnetted address a static route will be injected into your config that only a reboot will remove!! HTH - Original Message - From: John Neiberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Groupstudy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 8:38 PM Subject: Re: VLSM, OSPF, and redistribution into IGRP Ok, here are the relevant portions of the configs. Router A: ip subnet-zero ! interface Ethernet0 ip address 10.1.1.33 255.255.255.224 no keepalive ! interface Serial0 ip address 10.1.2.2 255.255.255.224 no fair-queue ! router ospf 1 network 10.1.2.0 0.0.0.31 area 0 network 10.1.1.32 0.0.0.31 area 0 ! ip classless Router B: ip subnet-zero ! interface Serial0 ip address 10.1.2.1 255.255.255.224 clockrate 50 ! interface Serial1 ip address 10.1.3.1 255.255.255.0 ! router ospf 1 network 10.1.2.0 0.0.0.31 area 0 area 0 range 10.1.1.0 255.255.255.0 area 0 range 10.1.2.0 255.255.255.0 ! router igrp 1 redistribute ospf 1 metric 1 1000 255 1 1500 passive-interface Serial0 network 10.0.0.0 default-metric 1 1000 255 1 1500 ! ip classless Here is the routing table for Router B: RouterB#sho ip route Codes: C - connected, S - static, I - IGRP, R - RIP, M - mobile, B - BGP D - EIGRP, EX - EIGRP external, O - OSPF, IA - OSPF inter area E1 - OSPF external type 1, E2 - OSPF external type 2, E - EGP i - IS-IS, L1 - IS-IS level-1, L2 - IS-IS level-2, * - candidate default Gateway of last resort is not set 10.0.0.0 is variably subnetted, 3 subnets, 2 masks C 10.1.3.0 255.255.255.0 is directly connected, Serial1 C 10.1.2.0 255.255.255.224 is directly connected, Serial0 O 10.1.1.32 255.255.255.224 [110/74] via 10.1.2.2, 00:09:01, Serial0 And finally, Router C: ip subnet-zero ! interface Serial1 ip address 10.1.3.2 255.255.255.0 clockrate 50 ! router igrp 1 network 10.0.0.0 ! ip classless As I understand it, Router B would summarize 10.1.1.32/27 as 10.1.1.0/24 so that it can be redistributed into IGRP. As you can see, 10.1.1.32/27 is in the routing table, yet from debugging I can see that the summarized route is not being added to the IGRP update, and therefore RouterC is never seeing the route. I found a different way to make this work, but I wanted to figure it out using the method in the book. So far, no luck. Another oddity that I noticed that I need to check into: on RouterA, I had to add a network statement for the 10.1.1.32/27 network or it wouldn't be advertised. Why is this? I thought that the OSPF network statement specified which interfaces were to participate in the OSPF process, not the actual networks to be advertised (like in BGP.) It seems to me that the 10.1.1.32/27 network would be part of the Router LSA, with or without a specific network statement. Thanks, John Need to see the remainder of your configs. I don't think you are using the correct area range summary but without knowing your addressing scheme, I cannot say for sure. - Original Message -
Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX ( very long)
I think the old saying from college was: When you get your B.S you think you know everything. When you get your M.S. you know you know everything. When you get your Ph.D you realize you know nothing. Jim "John Neiberger" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I think a person's attitude regarding this situation depends entirely on their experience. For me, I began in this field a little over two years ago. Starting from scratch, not even knowing what a router was, I looked up to the CCNA certification as something fairly lofty. All I did for months was study until my head hurt, and then I'd study some more. I also was getting daily hands-on experience at work doing very basic stuff and my employer sent me to a few classes that helped out greatly. One of the biggest helps was discovering this list! g By the time I got around to taking the test, it was far easier than I expected. This was my first Cisco test and I discovered that for a great number of questions, one did not need to know the answer, but you simply had to have decent reasoning skills. For me, I had reached a new plateau and I was totally psyched about it. At this point I thought I might never be able to grasp even CCNP-level concepts, as I was just really getting a hold on material at my current level. I wasn't content, yet I was glad that I had reached one of my first major goals. It was later, while still a CCNA, that I would interact from time to time with other CCNA-level people who had not had the benefit of employer-paid classes and hands-on experience. Because I tend to be egocentric and expect everyone to be like me g I would sometimes be surprised that they could not answer what I thought was a simple question. I began to be concerned that the CCNA was really too easy, not remembering how hard I had studied for months. That was easy?? It was pretty dang hard at the time! My concerns grew when I would interact with CCNP-level people who also could not answer questions that I thought they should have known the answers to. Now I was worried that CCNP was too easy and I hadn't even gotten there yet! It seemed pretty hard to me at the time and it took me longer to get it than I originally expected. After finally reaching CCNP and then CCDP, I wasn't as excited as I was about getting CCNA. I think at this point, the further we progress the more we realize how much we don't know, especially when faced with the daunting CCIE written and lab. In hindsight, it should be noted that the certification does not make the person. There are CCNA-level people out there who are far more advanced than I, and there are CCNPs out there who can't troubleshoot their way out of a paper sack. I find that this is largely dependent on personal work experience. A CCNA with four years experience in a production environment is probably going to be more advanced than a CCNP with two years under his belt. When expecting a certain level of knowledge, we should look at both certifications as well as the actual experience of the person in question. Okay, with all of that said, I must agree in part with the original poster. It does concern me sometimes when a CCNP-level person doesn't seem to understand a basic CCNA-level concept. I think this is because I'm worried that since I'm also a CCNP, someone might encounter this person and assume that the CCNP certification must not mean very much if they don't understand even basic concepts. In the end, though, I don't know if really matters that much. Certifications should never be the final arbiter of a persons abilities. If that were the case, our resumes would be a lot shorter and interviews would be unnecessary. All I can do is strive to make myself a better example of a CCNP (or whatever) and not worry as much about others. When studying martial arts I learned to stop comparing my progress with the progress of others. Their progress was irrelevant to mine. As long as I kept studying and could say that today I am better than I was yesterday, all would be well. I think that applies here, too. Thanks for reading my rambling John the Wordy JUst because u think they dont know nothing, they really dont know nothing . Can u post your grades here so that well see how smart u are? If u think that you know more than people who are getting CCXX certified then why dont u hurry up and take the lab. Dont u think that these people should be credited for what they have achieved. Cisco is not mystery anymore. More and more people will try to learn it. More and more people will produce learning aides, materials that will enables guys to learn as easily as possible. These guys dont have to worry about your opinions after they passed these exams. These guys may even passed the lab before you do. And maybe you will come here complaining that Cisco made the lab
Copy an image from TFTP (Windows 2000)
Hi there, I have recently installed Windows 2000 Pro. on my PC and I am having problems coping an image from the TFTP to Cisco 2509 Router. I can write the image to a TFTP but cannot read from it. Initially I had Windows NT 4 and Windows 95 and never had any problems. I can ping the tftp server OK: Router#ping 172.16.10.2 Type escape sequence to abort. Sending 5, 100-byte ICMP Echos to 172.16.10.2, timeout is 2 seconds: ! Success rate is 100 percent (5/5), round-trip min/avg/max = 1/2/4 ms Here is what I keep getting: System flash directory: File Length Name/status 1 9045624 /c2500-js-l.113-11a.bin [9045688 bytes used, 7731528 available, 16777216 total] Address or name of remote host [172.16.10.2]? Source file name? c2500-jos56i-l.121-5 Destination file name [c2500-jos56i-l.121-5]? Accessing file 'c2500-jos56i-l.121-5' on 172.16.10.2... Loading c2500-jos56i-l.121-5 [File not found] [failed] Router# --- If I copy the image from RouterA (TFTP) - RouterB it copies the image code OK. Has anyone had similar problems copying the images from TFTP under Windows 2000 to a Cisco Router? Any feedback on how to resolve this issue are welcomed. Thanks Regards, Ash _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: classless behaviour
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Bill" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ip subnet-zero allows you to use the .0 subnetwork so if you break 192.168.0.0 into /27s, your first network would typically start at 192.168.32.0 while with subnet-zero enabled you can use 192.168.0.0. As I understand it, this is basically because of older IP stacks that didn't understand the all 0's and all 1's subnetworks thus you had 2^n -2. ipclassless is used in classful networks when you have networks that have been subnetted and are discontiguous. If you have Router A and C with both conneted to router B. Most classful routing protocols break networks at their major boundry so if you had 10.0.1.0/24 advertised off A and 10.0.2.0/24 off B, you would end up with 2 routes to 10.0.0.0 on B. When traffic arrives for 10.0.2.1 which link do you send it out? ip classless overcomes some of these issues. Hi, To configure classless behaviour, we use "ip subnet-zero" and "ip classless". I never understand them, even after reading Doyle's bible. * When do we need them ? * If we don't use them, what will happen ? * Is there good example to show their effect ? Thank you in advance. Bill _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
Right on Jim ""Jim McDowell"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 000701c0af62$7288d600$376b84d1@dude">news:000701c0af62$7288d600$376b84d1@dude... This archaic line of thought has been around for ages...in every conceivable organization, since Ally Oop was a fetus...for example, "I had to walk five miles to school every day when I was a kid", or "The old corps was better". Some people are lucky enough to find an employer who will hire a no-nothing and train them into a qualified network administrator. Others aren't...they have to work for certifications and then get employed in the networking field. For most, having a certification just means they are trying to be better (better job, advancement, change careers, etc)what can be wrong with that? In the long run it is always your skill, dedication, perseverance, knowledge, attitude, etc., etc. that get you ahead, not the perceived value of your certification. - Original Message - From: "Mike Davis" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 3:51 PM Subject: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX I will probably get yelled at for this one but... I am a CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, and yes going after the CCIE. So up front I am not against certs. I am becoming aware of more and more people becoming Cisco certified and not know enough to go and actually do the work. Our company has and is interviewing for network folks, I have the opportunity to interview these people to verify technical experience. I have had CCNA, CCNP, and yes even CCIE written folks who could not tell me what they 'should' acutally know. This scares me because I am also working hard toward my certs and the CCIE. But it has been proven and is showing up more that these people are becoming "paper" Cisco folks, as in the paper MCSE. I know and hope the CCIE LAB and title will remain as difficult if not more so in the future. I for one do not want to spend a year of my life gaining the CCIE title to be one among thousands who also have it. That is my insite and hope Cisco will try to make it more difficult to obtain the CCNP/DP and not become another MCSE program. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CID Beta???
F. And since this beta cost $25.00 US I'm more than disappointed. Of course, this wasn't helped by the fact that the test was poorly written... ;) --- Michael Snyder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK. how many years has it been since I've taken the CID Beta, with no results. A.) .0314 B.) .014 C.) 27/87th D.) All the Above E.) None of the Above F.) Too Freaking Long. Of course the answers are ___ -- Michael Snyder NOC Engineer CCNP-Security, MCSE, CCIE-Written [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ#17424414 WAMS 273 E. Hacienda Ave Campbell, CA 95008 (408) 341-3041 _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Robert Padjen __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
