EIGRP & Distance command [7:71220]

2003-06-23 Thread Salvatore De Luca
On router A, I have two equal cost paths, via neighbor B and neighbor C, to
a particular EXternal destination.

To begin with, I see both routes in the EIGRP topology table and also in
theIP routing table. I played around with the 'delay' of the connecting
links to ensure that router A sees the routes as equally feasible i.e.
router A's feasible distance to the destination via both B and C is the same.

So far so good.

In order to prefer the path to the EXternal destination via router B, I
decided to INCREASE the admin distance of the route being advertized by
router C.  Thinking that the route advertized via B would have a lower admin
distance and would be prefered.

I added the following configuration statements on router A

Under EIGRP
distance 175 172.16.50.1 0.0.0.0  10

Globally
access-list 10 permit 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.255

The advertizing interface of router C has an IP of 172.16.50.1/30

The EXternal route I am trying to play with is 192.168.1.0/24.

Results:

No change to the admin distance of the EXternal routes :((

If the route that I am trying to modify the admin distance of is
INTERNAL,this concept works fine!

Is there something special that needs to be taken care to modify the admin
distance of EXternal EIGRP routes?


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RE: MPLS for CCIE [7:71132]

2003-06-23 Thread Peter zhang
check the blue print on CCO.


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Re: OT/Look at the requirements of this position!! [7:71173]

2003-06-23 Thread Mike Mandulak
.. and Openview and Sniffers and SNA and MVS and Unix and clusters and VAX
and Concord and etc...

Your probably right about the downsizing, if that's the case I pity the poor
soul who takes the 4 jobs. BTDT, they gave me the tee-shirt. 

- Original Message -
From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: OT/Look at the requirements of this position!! [7:71173]


> Mike Mandulak wrote:
> >
> > My read on this job post is that they do know what they need,
>
> They want someone cheap who knows NT, Windows 2000, Exchange, Citrix,
VPNs,
> WANs, and Cisco, and has at least 4 years experience running a large WAN.
>
> They down-sized and now they think they can find one person to do what was
4
> people's jobs.
>
> This person has to travel with little notice 50% of the time. In other
> words, the most obvious qualification this person has to have is desperate
> need for a job! :-)
>
> Priscilla
>
> > they're
> > looking for someone who is an expert in NT, Exchange and Citrix
> > which is
> > deployed at 30 sites in 5 countries and growing. As such they
> > need to be
> > able to add and maintain servers in a WAN environment and
> > understand the
> > implications of running these apps over those links.
> >
> > A CCIE may or may not know said applications in depth enough to
> > maintain or
> > even may not want to maintain them to the degree that is
> > needed. Now if a
> > person were to send a resume that listed MCSE and CCIE on the
> > resume then
> > the only reason that I can see for them not wanting them would
> > be the cost
> > of such a person or lack of knowledge with one of the core
> > requested
> > disiplines.
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Kevin Wigle"
> > To:
> > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 6:37 PM
> > Subject: Re: OT/Look at the requirements of this position
> > [7:71173]
> >
> >
> > > or perhaps the opposite.
> > >
> > > Maybe the HR person is fully aware of what they're asking for.
> > >
> > > Perhaps a CCIE is over qualified for the position - in their
> > opinion.
> > >
> > > Kevin Wigle
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Ware, DavidE"
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 3:38 PM
> > > Subject: RE: OT/Look at the requirements of this position
> > [7:71173]
> > >
> > >
> > > > Who ever the hiring manager is, he or she lack's an
> > understanding of the
> > > > progression on Cisco certifications. To say that a CCNP's
> > may be
> > > considered,
> > > > however CCIE's or nearly qualified CCIE's won't be shows a
> > lack of the
> > > level
> > > > of knowledge required to obtain those certifications.
> > > > Dave
> > > >
> > > > David Ware Network Design Engineer
> > > > Unisys
> > > > Eagan Service Center, Global Outsourcing
> > > > 651-687-3108 Net 545-3108
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]




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Re: Ethernet Interface Collisions Incresing rapidly [7:71176]

2003-06-23 Thread neil_k11
The cisco bridge operates in Half-duplex and that is why half-duplex. The
Router is a Cisco 1751 with WIC-1ENET, which is connected to the Wireless
Bridge.
I checked with the "output Interpreter" on CCO and it said the collisions
are more than 0.53 much higher than 0.1 normal rate.
Here's the output of sh interfaces e 0/0

Ethernet0/0 is up, line protocol is up
  Hardware is PQUICC Ethernet, address is 0004.dd0d.5502 (bia
0004.dd0d.5502)
  Internet address is 172.20.1.2/24
  MTU 1500 bytes, BW 1 Kbit, DLY 1000 usec,
 reliability 255/255, txload 1/255, rxload 1/255
  Encapsulation ARPA, loopback not set
  Keepalive set (10 sec)
  Half-duplex, 10BaseT
  ARP type: ARPA, ARP Timeout 04:00:00
  Last input 00:00:00, output 00:00:00, output hang never
  Last clearing of "show interface" counters 3d20h
  Input queue: 0/75/0/0 (size/max/drops/flushes); Total output drops: 0
  Queueing strategy: weighted fair
  Output queue: 0/1000/64/0 (size/max total/threshold/drops)
 Conversations  0/5/256 (active/max active/max total)
 Reserved Conversations 0/0 (allocated/max allocated)
 Available Bandwidth 7200 kilobits/sec
  5 minute input rate 53000 bits/sec, 13 packets/sec
  5 minute output rate 8000 bits/sec, 13 packets/sec
 4528216 packets input, 642790340 bytes, 0 no buffer
 Received 176451 broadcasts, 0 runts, 0 giants, 0 throttles
 0 input errors, 0 CRC, 0 frame, 0 overrun, 0 ignored
 0 input packets with dribble condition detected
6314935 packets output, 279254727 bytes, 0 underruns
 59281 output errors, 86548 collisions, 0 interface resets
 0 babbles, 0 late collision, 0 deferred
 0 lost carrier, 0 no carrier
 0 output buffer failures, 0 output buffers swapped out

Thanks,

neil






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> One of my Cisco router's Ethernet interface connected to a Cisco Wireless
> Bridges has the interface collisions counter increasing rapidly. Over a
> period of 48 hrs the collision counter was 60,000 and the output error
> counter was more than 4. Both the Ethernet interface on the router and
> the Cisco Wireless bridge are set to 10/Half-duplex.
> There is nothing in between the bridge and the Router Ethernet, connected
by
> a cross-over cable. What could be causing this.
>
> Any comments,
>
> neil




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RE: how about ccie salary in US? [7:71143]

2003-06-23 Thread Jack Nalbandian
That is anecdotal nonsense.  Any major corporation in need of real techs and
that has a Cisco infrastructure will certainly consider CCIEs very
seriously, yes even above so-called "CS" degree holders without much
experience, for technical lead positions.  I can bring examples that are not
merely "anecdotal."

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Based on anecdotal evidence I've seen on this list before, I can give you
an excellent ball-park figure: zero. You won't get a job if you are "just"
a CCIE. See also NRF's post below.

My hard-earned $0.02. :)

Thanks,

Zsombor

At 02:25 AM 6/24/2003 +, Mark W. Odette II wrote:
>That being said... I think the OP would just like a general answer.
>
>Ball-park figures aren't lies, as so long as they are indicated as
>ball-park figures.
>
>It's not a lie if you just simply state/indicate what the average figure
>is that you've seen in your area.
>
>So, if someone can contribute such an answer, let them do so.  I'm sure
>the OP was just trying to get a general idea- Scholar or not.
>
>Geeesh... sometimes it amazes me how simple answers are so hard to come
>by on this list.
>
>No offense intended NRF.
>
>As for myself, I don't know what the going salary/consulting rate is in
>the D/FW area of Texas for a CCIE... So I can't comment on such.
>
>-Mark
>-Original Message-
>From: n rf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 7:39 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: how about ccie salary in US? [7:71143]
>
>- jvd wrote:
> >
> > I wonder if anybody is going to have anything positive to say
> > about this post?
>
>So basically, you want us to lie, eh?  ;->.
>
>Seriously, CCIE salaries have been down for awhile and any honest
>discussion
>about salaries is going to be necessarily negative.  When something's
>black,
>it would be a lie to call it white.
>
>As far as the original question, so much depends on your experience
>level,
>the geographical location, things like holding a degree (or not).
>Strong
>candidates that have lots of experience, are well educated, and are in
>places can still pull nice salaries.  But I'm also aware of CCIE's
>applying
>for positions that pay less than 30k - and not getting them.  The point
>is
>that the CCIE by itself guarantees nothing.




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RE: how about ccie salary in US? [7:71143]

2003-06-23 Thread Zsombor Papp
Based on anecdotal evidence I've seen on this list before, I can give you 
an excellent ball-park figure: zero. You won't get a job if you are "just" 
a CCIE. See also NRF's post below.

My hard-earned $0.02. :)

Thanks,

Zsombor

At 02:25 AM 6/24/2003 +, Mark W. Odette II wrote:
>That being said... I think the OP would just like a general answer.
>
>Ball-park figures aren't lies, as so long as they are indicated as
>ball-park figures.
>
>It's not a lie if you just simply state/indicate what the average figure
>is that you've seen in your area.
>
>So, if someone can contribute such an answer, let them do so.  I'm sure
>the OP was just trying to get a general idea- Scholar or not.
>
>Geeesh... sometimes it amazes me how simple answers are so hard to come
>by on this list.
>
>No offense intended NRF.
>
>As for myself, I don't know what the going salary/consulting rate is in
>the D/FW area of Texas for a CCIE... So I can't comment on such.
>
>-Mark
>-Original Message-
>From: n rf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 7:39 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: how about ccie salary in US? [7:71143]
>
>- jvd wrote:
> >
> > I wonder if anybody is going to have anything positive to say
> > about this post?
>
>So basically, you want us to lie, eh?  ;->.
>
>Seriously, CCIE salaries have been down for awhile and any honest
>discussion
>about salaries is going to be necessarily negative.  When something's
>black,
>it would be a lie to call it white.
>
>As far as the original question, so much depends on your experience
>level,
>the geographical location, things like holding a degree (or not).
>Strong
>candidates that have lots of experience, are well educated, and are in
>places can still pull nice salaries.  But I'm also aware of CCIE's
>applying
>for positions that pay less than 30k - and not getting them.  The point
>is
>that the CCIE by itself guarantees nothing.




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Sample CCIE written exam questions [7:71217]

2003-06-23 Thread rooban Ravi
Where Can I find, free sample CCIE written exam
questions ?

=
cheers,
rooban

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Re: Thank You, guys. Passed Foundation Exam.640-84 [7:71127]

2003-06-23 Thread Mwalie W
Hi Hin,

Thanks.

You are very right: some countries just need a CCNA:-)

Where are you? Thailand?

Mwalie


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Re: how about ccie salary in US? [7:71143]

2003-06-23 Thread Brian W.
Theres a survey link on www.tcpmag.com, check it out.

Bri

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> Just the same as the subject,anyone who know it please tell!Thank u!




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RE: how about ccie salary in US? [7:71143]

2003-06-23 Thread Will Gragido
I'd say diversity is the key.  I know several CCIEs who, outside of R/S
don't have much to offer in the way of skillset and they are not commanding
as high of salaries as guys without a number but deeper and more diverse
expertise.  It totally depends on the individual, the need, the location and
the experiences (which are unique to and every one of us).

Will Gragido CISSP CCNP CIPTSS CCDA MCP
Suite 325 9450 W. Bryn Mawr Ave. 
Rosemont, Il 60018
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- jvd wrote:
> 
> I wonder if anybody is going to have anything positive to say
> about this post?

So basically, you want us to lie, eh?  ;->.  

Seriously, CCIE salaries have been down for awhile and any honest discussion
about salaries is going to be necessarily negative.  When something's black,
it would be a lie to call it white.

As far as the original question, so much depends on your experience level,
the geographical location, things like holding a degree (or not).  Strong
candidates that have lots of experience, are well educated, and are in
places can still pull nice salaries.  But I'm also aware of CCIE's applying
for positions that pay less than 30k - and not getting them.  The point is
that the CCIE by itself guarantees nothing.




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Re: OT/Look at the requirements of this position!!!! [7:71173]

2003-06-23 Thread Mike Mandulak
My read on this job post is that they do know what they need, they're
looking for someone who is an expert in NT, Exchange and Citrix which is
deployed at 30 sites in 5 countries and growing. As such they need to be
able to add and maintain servers in a WAN environment and understand the
implications of running these apps over those links.

A CCIE may or may not know said applications in depth enough to maintain or
even may not want to maintain them to the degree that is needed. Now if a
person were to send a resume that listed MCSE and CCIE on the resume then
the only reason that I can see for them not wanting them would be the cost
of such a person or lack of knowledge with one of the core requested
disiplines.


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From: "Kevin Wigle" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: OT/Look at the requirements of this position [7:71173]


> or perhaps the opposite.
>
> Maybe the HR person is fully aware of what they're asking for.
>
> Perhaps a CCIE is over qualified for the position - in their opinion.
>
> Kevin Wigle
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ware, DavidE"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 3:38 PM
> Subject: RE: OT/Look at the requirements of this position [7:71173]
>
>
> > Who ever the hiring manager is, he or she lack's an understanding of the
> > progression on Cisco certifications. To say that a CCNP's may be
> considered,
> > however CCIE's or nearly qualified CCIE's won't be shows a lack of the
> level
> > of knowledge required to obtain those certifications.
> > Dave
> >
> > David Ware Network Design Engineer
> > Unisys
> > Eagan Service Center, Global Outsourcing
> > 651-687-3108 Net 545-3108
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]




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Re: bgp network & sending subnet and more specifics [7:71073]

2003-06-23 Thread Zsombor Papp
Hi,

is this only an exercise or you really need to do this? If the latter, then 
I would be curious to know why this would be useful. I feel a slight 
contradiction in that you can't control whether a /24 or two /25 routes 
reach you yet you seem to know what is in one half versus the other half of 
the /24 network and want to make some routing decision based on this
knowledge.

Anyway, to answer your question, the obvious solution is to point the two 
/25 static routes towards where you learn the /24 route from, not to Null0. 
If you have only one IGP peer, then simply point them towards it.

If you have multiple IGP peers, then it gets a bit ugly. You could create a 
loopback address on the router where x.x.x.x/24 (or the two /25 networks) 
is directly connected, advertise the loopback(s) through the same IGP 
protocol which carries the x.x.x.x/24 route, and point the two /25 static 
routes to the loopback address(es). Or (assuming the IGP is OSPF and 
x.x.x.x/24 is in another area) you could use the loopback address of some 
backbone routers (possibly creating multiple pairs of static routes, each 
with different admin distance pointing to a different backbone router).

The main thing to note in either case is that if you ever, for any reason, 
happen to advertise back these /25 routes towards where you learn the /24 
route from, or if the router you pointed your static route to ever thinks 
that your router is the best way to get to x.x.x.x/24, then you just 
created a routing loop.

Btw, why is it that "the IGP will only send the /24 and not the two /25s"? 
Getting the two /25s instead of the one /24 might be as easy as configuring 
a secondary IP address on that interface or (selectively) disabling 
summarization. This of course depends on your situation, so just something 
to think about...

Thanks,

Zsombor

At 11:39 PM 6/21/2003 +, p b wrote:
>Suppose I have a router which has a subnet x.x.x.0/24 defined
>on some interface.   Over one iBGP session I'd like to
>advertise the x.x.x.0/24 subnet.  Over another iBGP session,
>I'd like to advertise x.x.x.0/25 and x.x.x.128/25.  When
>I config three network statements for these subnets in BGP,
>only the /24 seems to be sent to the one iBGP peer.
>
>If I define a static null route for each subnet (x.x.x.0/24,
>x.x.x.0/25, and x.x.x.128/25), all three routes are advetised.
>
>Is there a way to get the /24 and two /25s sent without
>the null route?   In actuallity, the /24 will be learned
>via some IGP, so can't use the nulls and the IGP will
>only send the /24 and not the two /25s.
>
>Thanks




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Re: Thank You, guys. Passed Foundation Exam.640-841 [7:71127]

2003-06-23 Thread Hinwoto
Thanks Mwalie,

Congratulation to you too...

CCIE in my country is also too overqualified in term of the benefit offered,
Most of them jump to other country where CCIE is more valuable and
profitable
and guess what... they live in more well-developed country...better-life I
guess

CCIE is definitely the most prestigiuos network expertise recognition at the
moment.

cheers
hin

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> Hi Hin,
>
> Congrats!!
>
> Doing the Foundation exam must be challenging; you have done it so well.
>
> Congrast!
>
> Mwalie




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Re: OT/Look at the requirements of this position!! [7:71173]

2003-06-23 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
Mike Mandulak wrote:
> 
> My read on this job post is that they do know what they need,

They want someone cheap who knows NT, Windows 2000, Exchange, Citrix, VPNs,
WANs, and Cisco, and has at least 4 years experience running a large WAN.

They down-sized and now they think they can find one person to do what was 4
people's jobs.

This person has to travel with little notice 50% of the time. In other
words, the most obvious qualification this person has to have is desperate
need for a job! :-)

Priscilla

> they're
> looking for someone who is an expert in NT, Exchange and Citrix
> which is
> deployed at 30 sites in 5 countries and growing. As such they
> need to be
> able to add and maintain servers in a WAN environment and
> understand the
> implications of running these apps over those links.
> 
> A CCIE may or may not know said applications in depth enough to
> maintain or
> even may not want to maintain them to the degree that is
> needed. Now if a
> person were to send a resume that listed MCSE and CCIE on the
> resume then
> the only reason that I can see for them not wanting them would
> be the cost
> of such a person or lack of knowledge with one of the core
> requested
> disiplines.
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kevin Wigle" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 6:37 PM
> Subject: Re: OT/Look at the requirements of this position
> [7:71173]
> 
> 
> > or perhaps the opposite.
> >
> > Maybe the HR person is fully aware of what they're asking for.
> >
> > Perhaps a CCIE is over qualified for the position - in their
> opinion.
> >
> > Kevin Wigle
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Ware, DavidE"
> > To:
> > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 3:38 PM
> > Subject: RE: OT/Look at the requirements of this position
> [7:71173]
> >
> >
> > > Who ever the hiring manager is, he or she lack's an
> understanding of the
> > > progression on Cisco certifications. To say that a CCNP's
> may be
> > considered,
> > > however CCIE's or nearly qualified CCIE's won't be shows a
> lack of the
> > level
> > > of knowledge required to obtain those certifications.
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > David Ware Network Design Engineer
> > > Unisys
> > > Eagan Service Center, Global Outsourcing
> > > 651-687-3108 Net 545-3108
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 




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Re: netbios [7:71084]

2003-06-23 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
- jvd wrote:
> 
> OT:
> hi, i just have to say that i will never try to answer anything
> on this forum again. :-)

Well, would that be Grumpy, Bashful, Sleepy, or Dopey to do that? :-)
Seriously, you should keep answering. You have sent some great answers, but
you don't want to keep insisting something when replying to my messages. It
makes me very Grumpy and I'm not Bashful when wielding a keyboard (just in
person). I know lots of books claim that NetBIOS isn't routable, but I bet
those exact same books also classify it as a session-layer protocol. And it
does make a good example of a session-layer protocol. One of the few that we
have! And if it runs at that layer, then it is routable. I think even IBM
said it was a session-layer protocol in some of their early documents, which
unfortunately, I recently tossed.

Directed broadcasts came from out of the blue. I really don't think Windows
networking uses them, although maybe it does. Was the comment maybe in
reference to the helper address suggestion that I made? You can tell a
router to send the packets when "it helps" as a broadcast. That's not a
directed broadcast, though, and will work even if router forwarding of
directed broadcasts is disabled, which is the default these days. Instead,
it's a broadcast sent by the router (it has the router's IP address as
source, on behalf of some other station, to a local LAN, because the router
is acting as a proxy, for example, a DHCP Relay Agent.) Was that a run-on
sentence, or what? :-)

A directed broadcast is directed from afar into a subnet. The sender usually
makes classful assumptions, since it can't actually know the local
definition of a broadcast. It's used by ping scan to send a ping to
172.16.255.255, for example, in an attempt to ping everyone on network
172.16.0.0. Routers don't forward those these days because of the security
risks.

Back to NetBIOS. It does send a lot of broadcast traffic for naming
purposes. In an IP environment, however, a host can be configured to send
unicast naming queries and name registrations to a WINS server. There are
probably lots of other issues, though. It really can be quite a pain to get
it to work correctly when you migrate from a small LAN to a larger
internetwork with WANs, subnetting, VLANs, etc.


I wonder what the original poster is really trying to do and where he can
get a good Windows networking (internetworking) design guide. Cisco used to
have one, but it's probably way dated now


Well, it's late and my writing is deteriorating. Howard covers directed
broadcasts, by the way, (and a much better description of the OSI model,
without reference to the dwarves, as I recall, although possibly with
reference to the deadly sins) in his CertificationZone papers. I recommend
them.

Priscilla


> 
> once i tried to answer a question with regards to bgp and a
> 1720 router and only after howard helped us out was it clear
> that the processor does play an important role. ;-)
> 
> this time only after the input from priscilla is everybody
> happy about the netbios/netbeui issue. ;-)
> 
> but then i think what is important is that we dig a bit deeper
> into some topics!
> 
> Good work!
> 




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RE: how about ccie salary in US? [7:71143]

2003-06-23 Thread Mark W. Odette II
That being said... I think the OP would just like a general answer.

Ball-park figures aren't lies, as so long as they are indicated as
ball-park figures.

It's not a lie if you just simply state/indicate what the average figure
is that you've seen in your area.

So, if someone can contribute such an answer, let them do so.  I'm sure
the OP was just trying to get a general idea- Scholar or not.

Geeesh... sometimes it amazes me how simple answers are so hard to come
by on this list.

No offense intended NRF.

As for myself, I don't know what the going salary/consulting rate is in
the D/FW area of Texas for a CCIE... So I can't comment on such.

-Mark
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- jvd wrote:
> 
> I wonder if anybody is going to have anything positive to say
> about this post?

So basically, you want us to lie, eh?  ;->.  

Seriously, CCIE salaries have been down for awhile and any honest
discussion
about salaries is going to be necessarily negative.  When something's
black,
it would be a lie to call it white.

As far as the original question, so much depends on your experience
level,
the geographical location, things like holding a degree (or not).
Strong
candidates that have lots of experience, are well educated, and are in
places can still pull nice salaries.  But I'm also aware of CCIE's
applying
for positions that pay less than 30k - and not getting them.  The point
is
that the CCIE by itself guarantees nothing.




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Boson Test 5.03 [7:71202]

2003-06-23 Thread Monahan Derrick
Can anyone point me to the direction of downloading the Boson Cisco exam set
ver 5.03 ? A friend recommended this version in preparing for the CCDP.

Thanks



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Re: When to use BGP Was: number of CCIE [7:70151]

2003-06-23 Thread Zsombor Papp
Thanks, I appreciate your comments.

Zsombor

At 01:36 PM 6/23/2003 -0500, MADMAN wrote:
>   Were the two T1's terminating at two differant ISP's?  If so BGP
>would be appropriate.  If you have 2 T1's terminating at a single ISP in
>the same POP then no.


What would you do if they had been terminating at a single ISP in the 
same POP? Or did you mean "same router"?
>>>
>>>
>>>   Most likely simple default routes.
>>
>>You mean default static routes? From a pure theoretical point of view, 
>>that seems a bit dangerous to me (to have two default static route 
>>pointing to two different routers). If one of the ISP routers is not 
>>directly connected to the customer's router (because for example there is 
>>an Ethernet switch in the middle), then the customer's router won't 
>>notice even if the ISP router is powered down. Even if the two routers 
>>are directly connected, it is possible (even though with current IOS 
>>versions it is not very likely) that the interface stays up even though 
>>routing dies on the ISP router. In short, I think there is a chance of 
>>you blackholing half of your traffic.
>>Comments? :)
>>Thanks,
>>Zsombor
>
>   Unless your co-located with your ISP your probably not connected to an 
> ethernet switch!  Though even if serially connected, with static routes 
> you would not know if the LAN connection on the ISP router went down 
> effectively causing the same blackholing you refer to.
>
>   Like most things there is a cost/benefit analysis.  WAN links are more 
> prone to outages than the LAN, pointing your default to the ISP WAN is 
> simple and commonly used config.  For cusomters that are more sensitive 
> to outages may opt for dual homing to 2 ISP's using ful routing and have 
> their WAN connections via a SHNS or SHARP configuration.
>
>   Redundancy and simplicity are not bedfellows and the more your willing 
> to spend the more redundancy can be had.
>
>   Dave
>
>>
>>>  Though as Howard alluded to there are some exceptions where you may 
>>> use BGP but not to recieve full routing but more likely to control 
>>> network announcements.  You could exchange same router/POP as far as 
>>> routing is concerned.
>>>
>>>   Dave
>
>
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Re: OT/Look at the requirements of this position!! [7:71173]

2003-06-23 Thread Mwalie W
Hi,

That is just what I said in another column: one being overqualified.

This is very real for some companies and/or jobs. So, those guys have a
point:)

Mwalie


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IOS 12.2 Enterprise [7:71204]

2003-06-23 Thread Jamie Johnson
I no longer have a CCO login. Anyone know how I can acquire IOS 12.2
Enterprise for 2500 and 1600 routers?

Thanks,

Jamie


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Re: number of CCIE [7:70151]

2003-06-23 Thread n rf
Duy Nguyen wrote:
> 
> If it comes down to money.  Why not increase the rate?  I've
> remember when
> the price for exam was only a G.  When they decided to raise
> the price,
> peeps start to mumbleed and grumbleed how the test was getting
> so expensive,
> but that didn't stop peeps from taking the test.  Raise it
> again if they
> want to value there flagship cert.  Everyone would agree w/me
> that the value
> of the cert has a lot more value than the value put in to
> obtained the cert.

Well...

First, let me address your last sentence.  I don't think the value is
anywhere near as clearcut as you're implying.  The value proposition is only
clear if you pass in your first few attempts.  But I know guys who have
tried the test 10 times or more, all out of their own pocket.  When you
include travel costs, costs in personal time, and all the ancillary stuff,
then the value proposition becomes very dicey.  For example, I know a guy
who has sunk more than $20 grand of his own money on testing (including
travel costs, costs to get and maintain a home lab, interest, etc.), still
hasn't passed, and if and when he ever does, I don't think he'll ever come
close to ever making his money back. He's still trying because after you've
sunk all that money, you really have no choice but to keep going (it's not
like if he stops now he'll get his money back - what's spent is spent), but
he knows and has admitted that this was a financial bloodbath for him.

However, the crux of your argument is definitely true.  Cisco has ample room
to raise the costs of the test.  A lot of candidates don't pay anyway
because they're backed by their companies, so what do they care about the
price?  Cisco could tell all that found money and do all the things I and
others have been proposing for awhile now.


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RE: load [7:71198]

2003-06-23 Thread Dave Neipert
Load interval does not provide a backup of any kind, it is used to change
the interval at which the router will query the interface for load (i.e, I/O
bits/sec).  This is displayed in the "show interface" command.


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load [7:71198]

2003-06-23 Thread j k
hi,

questions: wat is the purpose of using load-interval on the interface and
wat does it do i know it provide some kind of backup but then not very
sure abt it.

thanks!


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Re: how about ccie salary in US? [7:71143]

2003-06-23 Thread n rf
- jvd wrote:
> 
> I wonder if anybody is going to have anything positive to say
> about this post?

So basically, you want us to lie, eh?  ;->.  

Seriously, CCIE salaries have been down for awhile and any honest discussion
about salaries is going to be necessarily negative.  When something's black,
it would be a lie to call it white.

As far as the original question, so much depends on your experience level,
the geographical location, things like holding a degree (or not).  Strong
candidates that have lots of experience, are well educated, and are in
places can still pull nice salaries.  But I'm also aware of CCIE's applying
for positions that pay less than 30k - and not getting them.  The point is
that the CCIE by itself guarantees nothing.


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RE: netbios [7:71084]

2003-06-23 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
At 4:47 PM -0700 6/23/03, Jamie Johnson wrote:
>What about Donner and Blitz..., oops, different story

Nahh...you need Sneezy as a multicast server.

>
>
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>
>
>At 6:15 PM + 6/23/03, Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
>>
>>
>>Two, it's important to understand that every layer makes calls to a layer
>>below and every layer offers services to a layer above. Because the service
>>interface of a layer, whether it be LLC or UDP, is well known (hopefully),
>>any upper layer can call on it. So, an implementation of a session layer
>>protocol such as NetBIOS can call on UDP, TCP, LLC, or IPX. That's the real
>>message from the infamous OSI model. It's all about service interfaces.
>
>
>OO!  The real message is there are seven layers named Happy,
>Sneezy, Grumpy, Bashful, Sleepy, Dopey and Doc!




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RE: CIT test [7:71134]

2003-06-23 Thread Dave Neipert
Relaxthe Self Test exmas are exaclty like the test.  I just took the
BCRAN exam and 4-5 questions were same.


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RE: CCDA Study material [7:71111]

2003-06-23 Thread Andy Barkl
Priscilla has hit the nail on the head as usual! 
If you don't have the experience with Cisco's AVVID, SAFE and voice
architecture design, you should wait a few months for the self-study
guides from companies such as Cisco Press and Sybex before tacking the
CCDA DESGN 640-861 exam.

I took the exam late last year when it was in beta and it's a real bear
for an "intro-level" certification.
I wrote an exam review you might want to look at for more information.
Good luck!
http://tcpmag.com/Exams/article.asp?EditorialsID=71

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CiscoNewbie wrote:
> 
> Hi all.  I am going up for my CCDA cert and would like to know
> what are the recommended books and material to study with?

Nothing is out yet for the new version of the test, as far as I know.
Your
best bet would be to take the instructor-led class, if you can afford
it.
With a good instructor, I think DESGN could be a really great class.
It's
got tons of meat now, much more than before. It has a big focus on
systems
analysis as it is taught at universities, as a real discipline, not just
a
bunch of hand-waving. The class also has a huge scope, covering almost
everything you ever wanted to know related to campus and enterprise
networks, from business (which they call social or organizational)
goals,
technical goals, topologies, architectures, modular design, addressing
(including IPv6), routing, voice, network management, and security.

One focus is on the SAFE architecture, so look that up on Cisco's site
and
learn it. There's also some AVVID stuff

Many of the course modules are partially based on my book Top-Down
Network
Design. Many of the modules say that Top-Down Network Design is
recommended
reading. Top-Down Network Design doesn't cover some newer topics,
though,
such as SAFE and AVVID, although it did cover voice in a limited
fashion,
since Cisco has been harping on that for years now. DESGN covers voice
in
gory detail, however. It seems to have all of the old CVOICE course in
it.

Each module in DESGN has many chapters, each of which is literally
hundreds
of pages long. The person turning it into a book (not me unfortunately)
is
going to have a heyday. :-)

I haven't taken the new test, but if it really tests all that's in the
course, it's going to be one of the hardest tests out there (and that's
a
good thing. It's about time design got some respect. :-)

Anyway, bottom line: if you can take the older version of the test, then
there's lots of study materials. If you have to take the newer version,
then
you should take the instructor-led DESGN class or wait a few months for
study material.

Priscilla




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RES: Transporting Multiple Vlans over point-to-point [7:71074]

2003-06-23 Thread Henrique Issamu Terada
Maybe L2TP v3 ? 

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Router question [7:71191]

2003-06-23 Thread Lee
Hello Group,

I want to beef up my 4500M+ to 16MB Flash so I can run 12.2 code on it...

Under the "show version" (as below), I see 2 different flash:

4096K bytes of processor board System flash (Read/Write)
4096K bytes of processor board Boot flash (Read/Write)

How does the 4500M+ works? Does it mean that I will need to have both the
System Flash & Boot Flash up to 16MB? If so, does anyone where I can find
some?

And if I need to find them, are they just called?

4500M System Flash

AND
4500M Boot Flash

Thanks so much for the help in advance,

Regards,

Hunt



Router#sh ver
Cisco Internetwork Operating System Software
IOS (tm) 4500 Software (C4500-I-M), Version 11.1(5), RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1)
Copyright (c) 1986-1996 by cisco Systems, Inc.
Compiled Mon 05-Aug-96 13:40 by mkamson
Image text-base: 0x600088A0, data-base: 0x6042A000

ROM: System Bootstrap, Version 5.3(16) [richardd 16], RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1)
ROM: 4500 Software (C4500-BOOT-M), Version 11.1(7), RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc2)

Router uptime is 1 minute
System restarted by reload
System image file is "flash:c4500-i-mz.111-5", booted via flash

cisco 4500 (R4K) processor (revision D) with 16384K/4096K bytes of memory.
Processor board ID 05795949
R4700 processor, Implementation 33, Revision 1.0
G.703/E1 software, Version 1.0.
Bridging software.
X.25 software, Version 2.0, NET2, BFE and GOSIP compliant.
128K bytes of non-volatile configuration memory.
4096K bytes of processor board System flash (Read/Write)
4096K bytes of processor board Boot flash (Read/Write)

Configuration register is 0x2102

Router#




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RE: netbios [7:71084]

2003-06-23 Thread Jamie Johnson
What about Donner and Blitz..., oops, different story


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At 6:15 PM + 6/23/03, Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
>
>
>Two, it's important to understand that every layer makes calls to a layer
>below and every layer offers services to a layer above. Because the service
>interface of a layer, whether it be LLC or UDP, is well known (hopefully),
>any upper layer can call on it. So, an implementation of a session layer
>protocol such as NetBIOS can call on UDP, TCP, LLC, or IPX. That's the real
>message from the infamous OSI model. It's all about service interfaces.


OO!  The real message is there are seven layers named Happy,
Sneezy, Grumpy, Bashful, Sleepy, Dopey and Doc!




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Re: Router 827 ADSL + PIX 506 configuration [7:71059]

2003-06-23 Thread Lamy Alexandre
do you have a configuration example?


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Re: OT/Look at the requirements of this position!!!! [7:71173]

2003-06-23 Thread Kevin Wigle
or perhaps the opposite.

Maybe the HR person is fully aware of what they're asking for.

Perhaps a CCIE is over qualified for the position - in their opinion.

Kevin Wigle

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Subject: RE: OT/Look at the requirements of this position [7:71173]


> Who ever the hiring manager is, he or she lack's an understanding of the
> progression on Cisco certifications. To say that a CCNP's may be
considered,
> however CCIE's or nearly qualified CCIE's won't be shows a lack of the
level
> of knowledge required to obtain those certifications.
> Dave
>
> David Ware Network Design Engineer
> Unisys
> Eagan Service Center, Global Outsourcing
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Re: netbios [7:71084]

2003-06-23 Thread Bikespace
There are too many smart arses around sometimes. The whole idea of a
discussion group isn't for everyone to "Provide the right answer or beware".
I think everyone would like to have a go sometimes, but there's that nagging
doubt that you're going to make a big slip up.
It's better I think when people have a go. It's amazing how many people
answer the easy password recovery type questions, but no one is listening
when the toughies come out, even though a lot of people could have a stab at
it (guilty myself).
Some people would end up on their arse if they replied face to face, the way
they do in some follow up posts.

Good on you - I will try to do my bit by making a fool of myself at every
opportunity. After about 6 pints this may well be the first of many.
:-)
Keep digging.

Bikespace.



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> hi, i just have to say that i will never try to answer anything on this
> forum again. :-)
>
> once i tried to answer a question with regards to bgp and a 1720 router
and
> only after howard helped us out was it clear that the processor does play
an
> important role. ;-)
>
> this time only after the input from priscilla is everybody happy about the
> netbios/netbeui issue. ;-)
>
> but then i think what is important is that we dig a bit deeper into some
> topics!
>
> Good work!




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RE: CCDA Study material [7:71111]

2003-06-23 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
CiscoNewbie wrote:
> 
> Hi all.  I am going up for my CCDA cert and would like to know
> what are the recommended books and material to study with?

Nothing is out yet for the new version of the test, as far as I know. Your
best bet would be to take the instructor-led class, if you can afford it.
With a good instructor, I think DESGN could be a really great class. It's
got tons of meat now, much more than before. It has a big focus on systems
analysis as it is taught at universities, as a real discipline, not just a
bunch of hand-waving. The class also has a huge scope, covering almost
everything you ever wanted to know related to campus and enterprise
networks, from business (which they call social or organizational) goals,
technical goals, topologies, architectures, modular design, addressing
(including IPv6), routing, voice, network management, and security.

One focus is on the SAFE architecture, so look that up on Cisco's site and
learn it. There's also some AVVID stuff

Many of the course modules are partially based on my book Top-Down Network
Design. Many of the modules say that Top-Down Network Design is recommended
reading. Top-Down Network Design doesn't cover some newer topics, though,
such as SAFE and AVVID, although it did cover voice in a limited fashion,
since Cisco has been harping on that for years now. DESGN covers voice in
gory detail, however. It seems to have all of the old CVOICE course in it.

Each module in DESGN has many chapters, each of which is literally hundreds
of pages long. The person turning it into a book (not me unfortunately) is
going to have a heyday. :-)

I haven't taken the new test, but if it really tests all that's in the
course, it's going to be one of the hardest tests out there (and that's a
good thing. It's about time design got some respect. :-)

Anyway, bottom line: if you can take the older version of the test, then
there's lots of study materials. If you have to take the newer version, then
you should take the instructor-led DESGN class or wait a few months for
study material.

Priscilla


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RE: wireless field engineer practice test? [7:71011]

2003-06-23 Thread Weaselboy
I passed both the Wireless SE and FE exams using the CWNA book and the
bosons. The two exams have about 70% overlap, I'd go ahead and take them
both to double certify.  Since the SE is easier, I'd do that one first.
Just my $.02

The WB



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> with cco in cisco website (partner learning connection) have one lab to
this
> test.
> 
> Best Regards
> 
> Joao Medeiros




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Re: netbios [7:71084]

2003-06-23 Thread John Neiberger
 - jvd 6/23/03 4:06:36 PM >>>
>hi, i just have to say that i will never try to answer anything on this
>forum again. :-)
>
>once i tried to answer a question with regards to bgp and a 1720 router
and
>only after howard helped us out was it clear that the processor does play
an
>important role. ;-)
>
>this time only after the input from priscilla is everybody happy about the
>netbios/netbeui issue. ;-)
>
>but then i think what is important is that we dig a bit deeper into some
>topics!
>
>Good work!

I have two requests:

First, don't go into hiding.  Please continue to participate.  We welcome
all participants!

And second, please quote the post you're referring to when you reply.  When
you don't include a quote it is very difficult to follow what you're talking
about.

Regards,
John




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Re: 3745 stumper [7:71136]

2003-06-23 Thread Brad Dodds
The crashinfo file should still be available.
Cisco routers operate on a Unix based file system, so navigation through the
router's filesystem is similar.
Cisco IOS creates a "crashinfo" file in the bootflash directory when a
router crashes (mid to higher end platforms).
To access this file, you would;
log into device in privliged mode
issue "cd bootflash:" command (don't forget the colon)
issue "dir" command to see if crashinfo file exists, if it does then you can
view it by issuing "more bootflash:crashinfo_-xx (where
x=numbers in your device's filename)
or you could send it to vendors for inspection as the following example:
UMC#copy bootflash:crashinfo_20020908-131806 tftp
UMC#cd system:
UMC#dir
Directory of system:/

2  dr-x   0memory
1  -rw-8624running-config
   16  dr-x   0ucode
   27  dr-x   0vfiles

No space information available
UMC#cd bootflash:
UMC#dir
Directory of bootflash:/

1  -rw- 3857148   Aug 19 1999 07:18:41  rsp-boot-mz.111-28.CC.bin
2  -rw-  163474   Mar 15 2002 08:14:51  crashinfo_20020315-141451
3  -rw-  195202   Sep 08 2002 08:18:06  crashinfo_20020908-131806

7602176 bytes total (3385964 bytes free)
UMC#pwd
bootflash:/

I am suprised by the findings of your testing though, as I myself ran
extensive testing on a demo 3745 (NetIQ Chariot-70 + tests with various
scripts including HTTP and HTTPS, & IPERF for load testing) with the DS-3
and ATM IMA cards and did not run into the problem you described.  I did
discover the chassis had a bad slot.

""Puckette, Larry (TIFPC)""  wrote in message
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> Thanx all for the interest. We have vendor management support on this
> equipment and I haven't been able to into it due to changes over the
> weekend. So, I regrettably can't answer the question about 'crashinfo'.
But
> it sounds like a very interesting command that I was unaware of and will
> continue trying to get into the router to see.
>
> Larry Puckette
> Senior Network Analyst
> Temple Inland/Austin Data Center
> 512/434-1838
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Where the only idol is money and power, there is no hope for integrity.
>
>  -Original Message-
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> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 11:44 AM
> To: Puckette, Larry (TIFPC)
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: 3745 stumper [7:71136]
>
>
>When it crashes are you generating a crashinfo file?  do you see any
> error messages, tracebacks, etc...
>
>Dave
>
> Puckette, Larry (TIFPC) wrote:
> > Hi all, I don't normally have anything to actively contribute, so I just
> > lurk and learn. But, we have one now that may generate interesting
> > conversation. We are installing a new Internet access and have Cisco
3725
> > routers. The internal DSU has BNC connections to the DS3. We are using
PPP
> > protocol. While testing everything seems fine until approaching
> 200-300kbps.
> > The traffic is HTTP and HTTPS. The routers crash when the slightest
stress
> > of traffic. The symptoms are constant for both the primary and the
> secondary
> > routers. TFTP traffic through internal interfaces cause no problems,
only
> > traffic that is outbound through the DSUs towards the DS3. The IOS
> versions
> > have been upgraded to current and then downgraded to less current while
> > troubleshooting. Cisco is now looking into IOS problems, but I thought
I'd
> > throw this out there for all you GURUs and give you a chance at it too.
> >
> > Have a GREAT day and thanx tons for the forum.
> >
> > Larry Puckette
> > Senior Network Analyst
> > Temple Inland/Austin Data Center
> > 512/434-1838
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Ethernet Interface Collisions Incresing rapidly [7:71176]

2003-06-23 Thread Brad Dodds
reboot the bridge
try a different crossover cable.
can you set them both to full-duplex? (probably not on the bridge)
can you recreate the problem by connecting the bridge to another router to
test it?
is this problem new?
is any of the equipment new?


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> One of my Cisco router's Ethernet interface connected to a Cisco Wireless
> Bridges has the interface collisions counter increasing rapidly. Over a
> period of 48 hrs the collision counter was 60,000 and the output error
> counter was more than 4. Both the Ethernet interface on the router and
> the Cisco Wireless bridge are set to 10/Half-duplex.
> There is nothing in between the bridge and the Router Ethernet, connected
by
> a cross-over cable. What could be causing this.
>
> Any comments,
>
> neil




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RE: Ethernet Interface Collisions Incresing rapidly [7:71176]

2003-06-23 Thread Lupi, Guy
Collisions would be normal on a 10 half link, but the output errors are a
little odd.  Are the interfaces reporting late collisions and interface
resets also?  If so, I would try changing out the cable, late
collisions/repeated interface resets usually indicate a bad cable or bad
hardware.
Of course, you could just be trying to stuff too much data down the link,
what is the average bandwidth utilization?

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Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 4:13 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Ethernet Interface Collisions Incresing rapidly [7:71176]

One of my Cisco router's Ethernet interface connected to a Cisco Wireless
Bridges has the interface collisions counter increasing rapidly. Over a
period of 48 hrs the collision counter was 60,000 and the output error
counter was more than 4. Both the Ethernet interface on the router and
the Cisco Wireless bridge are set to 10/Half-duplex.
There is nothing in between the bridge and the Router Ethernet, connected by
a cross-over cable. What could be causing this.

Any comments,

neil




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RE: Wic2T not working [7:71053]

2003-06-23 Thread - jvd
no this does not apply to the 1720 or 1721.


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Re: netbios [7:71084]

2003-06-23 Thread - jvd
hi, i just have to say that i will never try to answer anything on this
forum again. :-)

once i tried to answer a question with regards to bgp and a 1720 router and
only after howard helped us out was it clear that the processor does play an
important role. ;-)

this time only after the input from priscilla is everybody happy about the
netbios/netbeui issue. ;-)

but then i think what is important is that we dig a bit deeper into some
topics!

Good work!



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Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]

2003-06-23 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
MADMAN wrote:
> 
> Yes they do have routing to the WAN, they are CONNECTED to it! 
> It's
> most likely the hosts that don't have a route as I and others
> have
> mentioned from the get go and you have now apparently confirmed
> or an I
> loosing it!?!?!

You aren't losing it. :-)

We haven't said our usual answer yet. Send us the configs. Also he never
told us anything about subnet masks. Maybe he's doing something weird with
them, but probably not.

Maybe on the Frame Relay interfaces, he's just mapping to the Ethernet sides
and the serial interfaces don't know how to send to each other?? Can he ping
or trace route just between the serial interfaces on the routers? I don't
think he's told us that. Can the routers ping their own serial interfaces?
Probably not.

If the routers can't reach (from a L3 point of view) each other's serial
interfaces, then Router B can't forward the ICMP TTL from Host B to Router
A's serial interface, which is what he said was the problem at one point...

I was suspicious of Host B, but we do need to see the router configs too.
Does my explanation make sense!? I'm losing it now. :-)

Priscilla


> 
>Dave
> 
> Frederico Madeira wrote:
> > Dave,
> > 
> > In my network, neither router have routing to wan interface.
> If i ping from
> > any host on lan to any interface WAN of my network, **the
> hosts don4t have
> > route to interfaces**. But if i ping on ethernet of all
> routers it works.
> > 
> > Frederico Madeira
> > Coordenador de Suporte
> > N. Landim Comircio Ltda
> > PABX: 81. 3497.3029
> > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "MADMAN" 
> > To: "Frederico Madeira" 
> > Cc: 
> > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 1:49 PM
> > Subject: Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >>
> >>   Really, interesting as more info is getting out!!
> >>
> >>   What happens if you trace from a host on the B LAN to the
> serial
> >>interface of the huawei router?
> >>
> >>   Dave
> >>
> >>Frederico Madeira wrote:
> >>
> >>>Pricilla,
> >>>
> >>>That is my problem. In A side i have a huawei 1602 router
> and in B side
> >>>cisco 2600.
> >>>Huawei don4t have extended ping (i4ve search in pdf and web
> and don4t
> >>>found).
> >>>Hava any other hint elsewhere extended ping ?
> >>>
> >>>Tanks.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Frederico Madeira
> >>>Coordenador de Suporte
> >>>N. Landim Comircio Ltda
> >>>PABX: 81. 3497.3029
> >>>e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>
> >>>- Original Message - 
> >>>From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer"
> >>>To:
> >>>Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 9:57 PM
> >>>Subject: Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> Frederico Madeira wrote:
> 
> 
> >Dave
> >
> >A: GW= 10.61.2.1 / HOST: 10.61.2.2
> >B: GW= 10.60.60.9 / HOST: 10.60.60.8
> >A --> B
> >
> >Traceroute from host in A to host B:
> >
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] tef]$ traceroute 10.60.60.8
> >traceroute to 10.60.60.8 (10.60.60.8), 30 hops max, 40 byte
> >packets
> >1  10.61.2.1 (10.61.2.1)  1.773 ms  1.642 ms  1.823 ms
> >2  172.1.0.1 (172.1.0.1)  29.812 ms  48.233 ms  37.402 ms
> >3  10.60.60.8 (10.60.60.8)  36.571 ms  47.847 ms  38.178 ms
> >
> >Traceroute from router on A to host B
> 
> The source address on this packet from Router A was
> 172.1.2.1, guessing
> >>>
> >>>from
> >>>
> >>>
> what else you have told us.
> 
> 
> 
> >L002>trace 10.60.60.8
> > traceroute to 10.60.60.8(10.60.60.8) 30 hops max,40 bytes
> >packet
> >1 172.1.0.1 60 ms  49 ms  38 ms
> >2  *  *
> 
> Host B doesn't know how to send the necessary packet back
> to 172.1.2.1.
> Check Host B's routing table and configuration.
> 
> That's what MADMAN was getting at. Also, he suggested you
> try a ping or
> traceroute from Router A using Router A's IP address on its
> Ethernet
> >>>
> > side.
> > 
> It will probably work then.
> 
> By default the router uses the IP address for the closest
> exit
> >>>
> > interface.
> > 
> You can change the source address that the router uses by
> using extended
> ping or extended traceroute. Type ping or trace and enter.
> That will
> >>>
> > take
> > 
> you into the extended mode where you can set the source
> address.
> 
> Keep us posted. I'm curious to know what you find. Thanks,
> 
> Priscilla
> 
> 
> 
> >B --> A
> >
> >Traceroute from host in B to host A:
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] /]# traceroute 10.61.2.2
> >traceroute to 10.61.2.2 (10.61.2.2), 30 hops max, 38 byte
> >packets
> >1  10.60.60.9 (10.60.60.9)  1.322 ms  0.945 ms  0.952 ms
> >2  172.1.2.1 (172.1.2.1)  34.040 ms  30.605 ms  30.743 ms
> >3  10.61.2.2 (10.61.2.2)  34.314 ms  32.899 ms  33.078 ms
> >
> >Traceroute from router on B to host A
> >FarmPobres>trace 10.61.2.2
> >
> >Type escape sequence to abort.
> >Tracing the route to 10.61.2.2
> >
> > 1 172.1.2.1 28 msec 

RE: Ethernet Interface Collisions Incresing rapidly [7:71176]

2003-06-23 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
Collisions go up normally with load. What is the load? Could something else
(an attack or trojan horse or just excitement about your terrific content)
have caused the load to go way up?

Cisco says that no more than 0.1 percent of frames should experience
collisions. How many frames have there been in the time that the collisions
went up? How does that compare to your baseline?

By the way, why do you have the interfaces set to half duplex? Why don't you
set them them to full since it's a point-to-point link?

Priscilla

neil K wrote:
> 
> One of my Cisco router's Ethernet interface connected to a
> Cisco Wireless
> Bridges has the interface collisions counter increasing
> rapidly. Over a
> period of 48 hrs the collision counter was 60,000 and the
> output error
> counter was more than 4. Both the Ethernet interface on the
> router and
> the Cisco Wireless bridge are set to 10/Half-duplex.
> There is nothing in between the bridge and the Router Ethernet,
> connected by
> a cross-over cable. What could be causing this.
> 
> Any comments,
> 
> neil
> 
> 




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Re: Question about remote telnet and NAT [7:71054]

2003-06-23 Thread Iwan Hoogendoorn
thank you very much

it worked 




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Re: how about ccie salary in US? [7:71143]

2003-06-23 Thread - jvd
I wonder if anybody is going to have anything positive to say about this post?


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Ethernet Interface Collisions Incresing rapidly [7:71176]

2003-06-23 Thread neil K
One of my Cisco router's Ethernet interface connected to a Cisco Wireless
Bridges has the interface collisions counter increasing rapidly. Over a
period of 48 hrs the collision counter was 60,000 and the output error
counter was more than 4. Both the Ethernet interface on the router and
the Cisco Wireless bridge are set to 10/Half-duplex.
There is nothing in between the bridge and the Router Ethernet, connected by
a cross-over cable. What could be causing this.

Any comments,

neil




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Re: netbios [7:71084]

2003-06-23 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
At 6:15 PM + 6/23/03, Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
>
>
>Two, it's important to understand that every layer makes calls to a layer
>below and every layer offers services to a layer above. Because the service
>interface of a layer, whether it be LLC or UDP, is well known (hopefully),
>any upper layer can call on it. So, an implementation of a session layer
>protocol such as NetBIOS can call on UDP, TCP, LLC, or IPX. That's the real
>message from the infamous OSI model. It's all about service interfaces.


OO!  The real message is there are seven layers named Happy, 
Sneezy, Grumpy, Bashful, Sleepy, Dopey and Doc!




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RES: Ping Problems [7:70980]

2003-06-23 Thread Henrique Issamu Terada
Really interesting  . . .

Frederico, 
What is the subnet mask in the hosts mentioned ? 
Also, do a route print in your host B and post it , please . 
Can you try to ping from same troubled router, to another host in network B
, and also to the address 10.60.60.9 ? 

A10.61.2.X 
serial 172.1.0.0
B10.60.60.X



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> 
> Really, interesting as more info is getting out!!
> 
>What happens if you trace from a host on the B LAN to the serial 
> interface of the huawei router?
> 
>Dave
> 
> Frederico Madeira wrote:
> > Pricilla,
> > 
> > That is my problem. In A side i have a huawei 1602 router and in B side
> > cisco 2600.
> > Huawei don4t have extended ping (i4ve search in pdf and web and don4t
> > found).
> > Hava any other hint elsewhere extended ping ?
> > 
> > Tanks.
> > 
> > 
> > Frederico Madeira
> > Coordenador de Suporte
> > N. Landim Comircio Ltda
> > PABX: 81. 3497.3029
> > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 9:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >>Frederico Madeira wrote:
> >>
> >>>Dave
> >>>
> >>>A: GW= 10.61.2.1 / HOST: 10.61.2.2
> >>>B: GW= 10.60.60.9 / HOST: 10.60.60.8
> >>>A --> B
> >>>
> >>>Traceroute from host in A to host B:
> >>>
> >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] tef]$ traceroute 10.60.60.8
> >>>traceroute to 10.60.60.8 (10.60.60.8), 30 hops max, 40 byte
> >>>packets
> >>> 1  10.61.2.1 (10.61.2.1)  1.773 ms  1.642 ms  1.823 ms
> >>> 2  172.1.0.1 (172.1.0.1)  29.812 ms  48.233 ms  37.402 ms
> >>> 3  10.60.60.8 (10.60.60.8)  36.571 ms  47.847 ms  38.178 ms
> >>>
> >>>Traceroute from router on A to host B
> >>
> >>The source address on this packet from Router A was 172.1.2.1, guessing
> > 
> > from
> > 
> >>what else you have told us.
> >>
> >>
> >>>L002>trace 10.60.60.8
> >>>  traceroute to 10.60.60.8(10.60.60.8) 30 hops max,40 bytes
> >>>packet
> >>> 1 172.1.0.1 60 ms  49 ms  38 ms
> >>> 2  *  *
> >>
> >>Host B doesn't know how to send the necessary packet back to 172.1.2.1.
> >>Check Host B's routing table and configuration.
> >>
> >>That's what MADMAN was getting at. Also, he suggested you try a ping or
> >>traceroute from Router A using Router A's IP address on its Ethernet
> side.
> >>It will probably work then.
> >>
> >>By default the router uses the IP address for the closest exit
> interface.
> >>You can change the source address that the router uses by using extended
> >>ping or extended traceroute. Type ping or trace and enter. That will
> take
> >>you into the extended mode where you can set the source address.
> >>
> >>Keep us posted. I'm curious to know what you find. Thanks,
> >>
> >>Priscilla
> >>
> >>
> >>>B --> A
> >>>
> >>>Traceroute from host in B to host A:
> >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] /]# traceroute 10.61.2.2
> >>>traceroute to 10.61.2.2 (10.61.2.2), 30 hops max, 38 byte
> >>>packets
> >>> 1  10.60.60.9 (10.60.60.9)  1.322 ms  0.945 ms  0.952 ms
> >>> 2  172.1.2.1 (172.1.2.1)  34.040 ms  30.605 ms  30.743 ms
> >>> 3  10.61.2.2 (10.61.2.2)  34.314 ms  32.899 ms  33.078 ms
> >>>
> >>>Traceroute from router on B to host A
> >>>FarmPobres>trace 10.61.2.2
> >>>
> >>>Type escape sequence to abort.
> >>>Tracing the route to 10.61.2.2
> >>>
> >>>  1 172.1.2.1 28 msec 24 msec 28 msec
> >>>  2 10.61.2.2 28 msec 24 msec 24 msec
> >>>
> >>>Frederico Madeira
> >>>Coordenador de Suporte
> >>>N. Landim Comircio Ltda
> >>>PABX: 81. 3497.3029
> >>>e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>- Original Message - 
> >>>From: "MADMAN"
> >>>To: "Frederico Madeira"
> >>>Cc: ;

Re: Router 827 ADSL + PIX 506 configuration [7:71059]

2003-06-23 Thread Bikespace
Okey Dokey - understood. If you're just playing around that's fine.

You may have a few options. You could use your /29 for the subnet between
router and Pix, but then you lose two of your 6 available addresses for the
router and the Pix. Although you can grab some of these back, for instance
by using port redirection on the outside interface of the Pix, so that port
80 goes to one of your web servers and 53 to one of your DNS servers etc.
The other 4 addresses can be set up as static NAT through the Pix.
Use Global (outside) 1 interface for outgoing connections to save using one
of your addresses for general PAT.

You could use a private address between the router and the Pix and just
route your /29 at the Pix, then do NAT from there. You don't lose any of the
8 addresses then. You could still do port redirection, so one IP address
doesn't have to be one server. Do as before and chip off port 80 for your
web, and 53 for DNS etc.

Good Luck

Bikespace



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> Because I would like pratice. I would like simulate an enterprise.
>
> Just for understand how is make in enterprise. I don't have 100 static IP,
> but, anyway, I don't have 100 server.
>
> Example, Internet-->Enterprise infrastructure
>
> or
>
> Multi-site Enterprise-->Multi-site Enterprise...
>
>
> Anyway, if have 2 DNS server, and 2 Web server, and 2 authentication
server,
> how make NAT/PAT?




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RE: OT/Look at the requirements of this position!!!! [7:71173]

2003-06-23 Thread Ware, DavidE
Who ever the hiring manager is, he or she lack's an understanding of the
progression on Cisco certifications. To say that a CCNP's may be considered,
however CCIE's or nearly qualified CCIE's won't be shows a lack of the level
of knowledge required to obtain those certifications.
Dave

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Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]

2003-06-23 Thread MADMAN
Yes they do have routing to the WAN, they are CONNECTED to it!  It's 
most likely the hosts that don't have a route as I and others have 
mentioned from the get go and you have now apparently confirmed or an I 
loosing it!?!?!

   Dave

Frederico Madeira wrote:
> Dave,
> 
> In my network, neither router have routing to wan interface. If i ping from
> any host on lan to any interface WAN of my network, **the hosts don4t
have
> route to interfaces**. But if i ping on ethernet of all routers it
works.
> 
> Frederico Madeira
> Coordenador de Suporte
> N. Landim Comircio Ltda
> PABX: 81. 3497.3029
> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "MADMAN" 
> To: "Frederico Madeira" 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 1:49 PM
> Subject: Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]
> 
> 
> 
>>
>>   Really, interesting as more info is getting out!!
>>
>>   What happens if you trace from a host on the B LAN to the serial
>>interface of the huawei router?
>>
>>   Dave
>>
>>Frederico Madeira wrote:
>>
>>>Pricilla,
>>>
>>>That is my problem. In A side i have a huawei 1602 router and in B side
>>>cisco 2600.
>>>Huawei don4t have extended ping (i4ve search in pdf and web and don4t
>>>found).
>>>Hava any other hint elsewhere extended ping ?
>>>
>>>Tanks.
>>>
>>>
>>>Frederico Madeira
>>>Coordenador de Suporte
>>>N. Landim Comircio Ltda
>>>PABX: 81. 3497.3029
>>>e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>>- Original Message - 
>>>From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer"
>>>To:
>>>Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 9:57 PM
>>>Subject: Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
Frederico Madeira wrote:


>Dave
>
>A: GW= 10.61.2.1 / HOST: 10.61.2.2
>B: GW= 10.60.60.9 / HOST: 10.60.60.8
>A --> B
>
>Traceroute from host in A to host B:
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] tef]$ traceroute 10.60.60.8
>traceroute to 10.60.60.8 (10.60.60.8), 30 hops max, 40 byte
>packets
>1  10.61.2.1 (10.61.2.1)  1.773 ms  1.642 ms  1.823 ms
>2  172.1.0.1 (172.1.0.1)  29.812 ms  48.233 ms  37.402 ms
>3  10.60.60.8 (10.60.60.8)  36.571 ms  47.847 ms  38.178 ms
>
>Traceroute from router on A to host B

The source address on this packet from Router A was 172.1.2.1, guessing
>>>
>>>from
>>>
>>>
what else you have told us.



>L002>trace 10.60.60.8
> traceroute to 10.60.60.8(10.60.60.8) 30 hops max,40 bytes
>packet
>1 172.1.0.1 60 ms  49 ms  38 ms
>2  *  *

Host B doesn't know how to send the necessary packet back to 172.1.2.1.
Check Host B's routing table and configuration.

That's what MADMAN was getting at. Also, he suggested you try a ping or
traceroute from Router A using Router A's IP address on its Ethernet
>>>
> side.
> 
It will probably work then.

By default the router uses the IP address for the closest exit
>>>
> interface.
> 
You can change the source address that the router uses by using extended
ping or extended traceroute. Type ping or trace and enter. That will
>>>
> take
> 
you into the extended mode where you can set the source address.

Keep us posted. I'm curious to know what you find. Thanks,

Priscilla



>B --> A
>
>Traceroute from host in B to host A:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] /]# traceroute 10.61.2.2
>traceroute to 10.61.2.2 (10.61.2.2), 30 hops max, 38 byte
>packets
>1  10.60.60.9 (10.60.60.9)  1.322 ms  0.945 ms  0.952 ms
>2  172.1.2.1 (172.1.2.1)  34.040 ms  30.605 ms  30.743 ms
>3  10.61.2.2 (10.61.2.2)  34.314 ms  32.899 ms  33.078 ms
>
>Traceroute from router on B to host A
>FarmPobres>trace 10.61.2.2
>
>Type escape sequence to abort.
>Tracing the route to 10.61.2.2
>
> 1 172.1.2.1 28 msec 24 msec 28 msec
> 2 10.61.2.2 28 msec 24 msec 24 msec
>
>Frederico Madeira
>Coordenador de Suporte
>N. Landim Comircio Ltda
>PABX: 81. 3497.3029
>e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "MADMAN"
>To: "Frederico Madeira"
>Cc: ;
>Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 3:11 PM
>Subject: Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]
>
>
>
>  If you can ping host to host from router A's LAN to router
>B's LAN
>the routers are working.
>
>  Humor me, can you ping the remote LAN on router B from
>router A
>sourcing A's LAN??  If so I stand by my earlier post...
>
>  Dave
>
>Frederico Madeira wrote:
>
>
>>Dave,
>>
>>My problem isn4t in host. The problem occour in router. When
>
>i try to ping
>
>
>>in any host to another lan.
>>
>>Frederico Madeira
>>Coordenador de Suporte
>>N. Landim Comircio Ltda
>>PABX: 81. 3497.3029
>>e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>- Original Message - 
>>From: "MADMAN"
>>To: "Frederico Madeira"
>>Cc:
>>Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 2:31 PM
>>Subject: Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]

Re: how about ccie salary in US? [7:71143]

2003-06-23 Thread MADMAN
Never enough ;)

   Dave

james kong wrote:
> Just the same as the subject,anyone who know it please tell!Thank u!
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RE: Unable to copy from Sup-Slot0 [7:71038]

2003-06-23 Thread Kaminski, Shawn G
Yes, the main problem is that I'm booting into boot mode, which is why I
want to copy an image into bootflash. As you probably know, the boot image
is required in bootflash in order to boot to the main image. Just so you can
see the whole process, I deleted the boot image from bootflash and started
from scratch. As you can see, the boot image copies with no problem from
sup-slot0 into bootflash. However, as soon as I try to copy the main image,
it times out. I think I'll try formatting the flash card next and copy the
images back onto it. Still no word from my TAC engineer.

Shawn K. 


SMC6500#2MSFC(boot)#copy sup-slot0:c6msfc2-boot-mz.121-8a.EX bootflash:
Destination filename [c6msfc2-boot-mz.121-8a.EX]?
Accessing sup-slot0:c6msfc2-boot-mz.121-8a.EX...
Loading slot0:c6msfc2-boot-mz.121-8a.EX from 127.0.0.11 (via EOBC0/0): !
Loading slot0:c6msfc2-boot-mz.121-8a.EX
Loading slot0:c6msfc2-boot-mz.121-8a.EX
Loading slot0:c6msfc2-boot-mz.121-8a.EX
Loading slot0:c6msfc2-boot-mz.121-8a.EX
Loading slot0:c6msfc2-boot-mz.121-8a.EX from 127.0.0.11 (via EOBC0/0): 
!!!
!!!
!!!
!!
[OK - 1693168/3385344 bytes]
1693168 bytes copied in 96.552 secs (17637 bytes/sec)

SMC6500#2MSFC(boot)#copy sup-slot0:c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5 bootflash:
Destination filename [c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5]?
Accessing sup-slot0:c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5...
Loading slot0:c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5 ...from 127.0.0.11 (via EOBC0/0): !
Loading slot0:c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5
Loading slot0:c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5
Loading slot0:c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5
Loading slot0:c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5
%Error opening sup-slot0:c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5 (Timed out)


-Original Message-
From: MADMAN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 11:15 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Unable to copy from Sup-Slot0 [7:71038]

Kaminski, Shawn G wrote:
> OK, this is probably something simple, but my brain is done thinking
> tonight. I'm getting a timeout when trying to copy a 6509 IOS image
> (c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5) from the 6509 Supervisor Slot0: flash card to
the
> MSFC2 bootflash: . I just copied the boot image
(c6msfc2-boot-mz.121-8a.EX)
> with no problems from the Supervisor Slot0: flash card to the MSFC2
> bootflash:, but get a timeout when I try to do the image . There's plenty
of
> bootflash and the flash card is 24 MB, so it's not a matter of space. The
> image is not corrupt. Any advice is appreciated.

   I don't feel like putting my MSFC into boot mode but I suspect that 
is  you issue!!

MSFC_15#copy sup-slot0:c6msfc2-jk2o3sv-mz.121-13.E3.bin bootflash:
Destination filename [c6msfc2-jk2o3sv-mz.121-13.E3.bin]?
Accessing sup-slot0:c6msfc2-jk2o3sv-mz.121-13.E3.bin...
Loading slot0:c6msfc2-jk2o3sv-mz.121-13.E3.bin .from 127.0.0.11 (via 
EOBC0/0): !
Loading slot0:c6msfc2-jk2o3sv-mz.121-13.E3.bin .from 127.0.0.11 (via 
EOBC0/0): !


!!!
snip

   Dave

>  
> SMC6500#2MSFC(boot)#copy sup-slot0: bootflash:
> Source filename []? c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5
> Destination filename [c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5]?
> Accessing sup-slot0:c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5...
> Loading slot0:c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5 ...from 127.0.0.11 (via EOBC0/0): !
> Loading slot0:c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5
> Loading slot0:c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5
> Loading slot0:c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5
> Loading slot0:c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5
> %Error opening sup-slot0:c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5 (Timed out)
>  
>  
>  
> Shawn G. Kaminski
> EDS - GTO Capability Center
> Dow Chemical Test Facilities - Network Support
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Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]

2003-06-23 Thread Frederico Madeira
Dave,

In my network, neither router have routing to wan interface. If i ping from
any host on lan to any interface WAN of my network, the hosts don4t have
route to interfaces. But if i ping on ethernet of all routers it works.

Frederico Madeira
Coordenador de Suporte
N. Landim Comircio Ltda
PABX: 81. 3497.3029
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

- Original Message - 
From: "MADMAN" 
To: "Frederico Madeira" 
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]


>
>
>Really, interesting as more info is getting out!!
>
>What happens if you trace from a host on the B LAN to the serial
> interface of the huawei router?
>
>Dave
>
> Frederico Madeira wrote:
> > Pricilla,
> >
> > That is my problem. In A side i have a huawei 1602 router and in B side
> > cisco 2600.
> > Huawei don4t have extended ping (i4ve search in pdf and web and don4t
> > found).
> > Hava any other hint elsewhere extended ping ?
> >
> > Tanks.
> >
> >
> > Frederico Madeira
> > Coordenador de Suporte
> > N. Landim Comircio Ltda
> > PABX: 81. 3497.3029
> > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer"
> > To:
> > Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 9:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]
> >
> >
> >
> >>Frederico Madeira wrote:
> >>
> >>>Dave
> >>>
> >>>A: GW= 10.61.2.1 / HOST: 10.61.2.2
> >>>B: GW= 10.60.60.9 / HOST: 10.60.60.8
> >>>A --> B
> >>>
> >>>Traceroute from host in A to host B:
> >>>
> >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] tef]$ traceroute 10.60.60.8
> >>>traceroute to 10.60.60.8 (10.60.60.8), 30 hops max, 40 byte
> >>>packets
> >>> 1  10.61.2.1 (10.61.2.1)  1.773 ms  1.642 ms  1.823 ms
> >>> 2  172.1.0.1 (172.1.0.1)  29.812 ms  48.233 ms  37.402 ms
> >>> 3  10.60.60.8 (10.60.60.8)  36.571 ms  47.847 ms  38.178 ms
> >>>
> >>>Traceroute from router on A to host B
> >>
> >>The source address on this packet from Router A was 172.1.2.1, guessing
> >
> > from
> >
> >>what else you have told us.
> >>
> >>
> >>>L002>trace 10.60.60.8
> >>>  traceroute to 10.60.60.8(10.60.60.8) 30 hops max,40 bytes
> >>>packet
> >>> 1 172.1.0.1 60 ms  49 ms  38 ms
> >>> 2  *  *
> >>
> >>Host B doesn't know how to send the necessary packet back to 172.1.2.1.
> >>Check Host B's routing table and configuration.
> >>
> >>That's what MADMAN was getting at. Also, he suggested you try a ping or
> >>traceroute from Router A using Router A's IP address on its Ethernet
side.
> >>It will probably work then.
> >>
> >>By default the router uses the IP address for the closest exit
interface.
> >>You can change the source address that the router uses by using extended
> >>ping or extended traceroute. Type ping or trace and enter. That will
take
> >>you into the extended mode where you can set the source address.
> >>
> >>Keep us posted. I'm curious to know what you find. Thanks,
> >>
> >>Priscilla
> >>
> >>
> >>>B --> A
> >>>
> >>>Traceroute from host in B to host A:
> >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] /]# traceroute 10.61.2.2
> >>>traceroute to 10.61.2.2 (10.61.2.2), 30 hops max, 38 byte
> >>>packets
> >>> 1  10.60.60.9 (10.60.60.9)  1.322 ms  0.945 ms  0.952 ms
> >>> 2  172.1.2.1 (172.1.2.1)  34.040 ms  30.605 ms  30.743 ms
> >>> 3  10.61.2.2 (10.61.2.2)  34.314 ms  32.899 ms  33.078 ms
> >>>
> >>>Traceroute from router on B to host A
> >>>FarmPobres>trace 10.61.2.2
> >>>
> >>>Type escape sequence to abort.
> >>>Tracing the route to 10.61.2.2
> >>>
> >>>  1 172.1.2.1 28 msec 24 msec 28 msec
> >>>  2 10.61.2.2 28 msec 24 msec 24 msec
> >>>
> >>>Frederico Madeira
> >>>Coordenador de Suporte
> >>>N. Landim Comircio Ltda
> >>>PABX: 81. 3497.3029
> >>>e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>- Original Message - 
> >>>From: "MADMAN"
> >>>To: "Frederico Madeira"
> >>>Cc: ;
> >>>Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 3:11 PM
> >>>Subject: Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>   If you can ping host to host from router A's LAN to router
> >>>B's LAN
> >>>the routers are working.
> >>>
> >>>   Humor me, can you ping the remote LAN on router B from
> >>>router A
> >>>sourcing A's LAN??  If so I stand by my earlier post...
> >>>
> >>>   Dave
> >>>
> >>>Frederico Madeira wrote:
> >>>
> Dave,
> 
> My problem isn4t in host. The problem occour in router. When
> >>>
> >>>i try to ping
> >>>
> in any host to another lan.
> 
> Frederico Madeira
> Coordenador de Suporte
> N. Landim Comircio Ltda
> PABX: 81. 3497.3029
> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> - Original Message - 
> From: "MADMAN"
> To: "Frederico Madeira"
> Cc:
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 2:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >Frederico Madeira wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Hellow,
> >>
> >>i have a problem in conectivity of my two fr networks.
> >>
> >>If i ping from any host on LAN1 to any host on LAN2 he works
> >
> >>>fine, but
> >>>
> if i
> 
> 
> >>ping from router1 to any host on LAN2, dont4t work.

Re: Transporting Multiple Vlans over point-to-point [7:71074]

2003-06-23 Thread MADMAN
Or we sell an LSS, LAN Switching Service, service in which you can 
build a trunk across the bridged ATM network.

   Dave

Tom Martin wrote:
> Alaerte,
> 
> I can think of a couple ways to doing this. Be forewarned. Both are ugly.
> 
> Method #1: Relocate the servers /30 subnet
> --
> 
> We'll say the server's IP address is 192.3.3.254/24. Create a secondary 
> IP address on R2 for 192.3.3.252/30. R2's secondary address becomes 
> 192.3.3.253/30, the server can stay 192.3.3.254/24. Make sure that R3 
> knows how to reach the 192.3.3.252/30 subnet (either static route or a 
> classless routing protocol).
> 
> How it works:
> 
> Proxy ARP. Stations on VLAN 300 attempting to connect to the server will 
> ARP for 192.3.3.254, for which R3 has a "better route", and will respond 
> to the ARP with its own MAC. Traffic to 192.3.3.254 will be routed to 
> R2. The reverse will happen when 192.3.3.254 attempts to respond to the 
> client, it ARPs, R2 knows of a route and responds with its MAC, the 
> packet is routed back.
> 
> Other info:
> 
> - I've assumed that the server address was 192.3.3.254, it could have 
> been anything. The /30 subnet would change accordingly.
> - I've assumed that .252 and .253 were not already in use. If they were, 
> connectivity to these stations would be broken. You can get around this 
> problem by configuring (and redistributing) static routes for 
> 192.3.3.252/32 and 192.3.3.253/32 pointed back towards Vlan 300 on R3.
> - L2 Broadcasts will not be available to/from the new server
> 
> 
> Method #2: Virtual router
> -
> 
> This method has the unique property of being both cleaner (from a caveat 
> perspective) and uglier at the same time. Imagine walking into this at a 
> customer site -- how long would it take you to figure out what was going 
> on? :)
> 
> Once again we'll say the server's IP address is 192.3.3.254/24. 
> Configure a static route on R3 as follows:
> 
>  ip route 192.168.3.254 255.255.255.255 (ip_of_R2)
> 
> On R2, determine an IP address that isn't used for use as a virtual 
> router. We'll say 192.168.2.254/24 isn't used. Create a static route on 
> R2 to the server through the virtual router:
> 
>  ip route 192.168.3.254 255.255.255.255 192.168.2.254
> 
> The virtual gateway doesn't exist so pings to it will fail. Don't worry 
> about that yet. Move the server to VLAN 200 without changing its IP 
> address or mask. Determine the MAC address of the server. We'll say 
> 0001.0002.0003. On R2, configure the MAC for the virtual router to be 
> the server's IP:
> 
>  arp 192.168.2.254 0001.0002.0003 arpa
> 
> You must perform similar steps on the server. We'll assume that its 
> default gateway has not changed. We'll also assume that its default 
> gateway was 192.3.3.1. Configure a static ARP entry for the default 
> gateway that reflects R2's Ethernet MAC (0102.0304.0506):
> 
>  arp -s 172.30.16.254 01:02:03:04:05:06
> 
> Make sure that R3 knows how to reach the 192.3.3.254/32 subnet (either 
> add a static route or redistribute on R2).
> 
> How it works:
> 
> Vlan 300 stations broadcast ARP, and R3 responds with its MAC (Proxy 
> ARP). R3 forwards the packets to R2. R2 forwards the packets directly to 
> the server (although it believes it is forwarding to another gateway). 
> The server receives the packet because the MAC was correct, notices that 
> it is the end station, and processes the packet. Traffic from the server 
> to VLAN 300 is possible using Proxy ARP as describe in Method 1. Traffic 
> to/from other VLANs (VLAN 100) will also work fine since the server 
> forwards all of its "default gateway" traffic to the correct default 
> gateway, R2.
> 
> Other info:
> 
> - I've assumed that the server address was 192.3.3.254, it could have 
> been anything.
> - The only 192.3.3.0/24 address used on VLAN 200 (other than the servers 
> IP) is the Ethernet IP address of R3.
> - L2 Broadcasts will not be available to/from the new server
> - Pings to the virtual router will fail (it /is/ virtual after all), 
> even though the server will have full network connectivity.
> 
> 
> If you get around to actually doing either of these in the lab and run 
> into trouble, let me know (the above was written from memory, and I may 
> have missed a step or two). I originally came across these ideas after 
> reading Doyle and configured them in the lab just to see if I could pull 
> it off. Yep. :)
> 
> You would be surprised with some of the crazy labs you can make for 
> yourself when IP addresses don't need to be contiguous or need to match 
> the local router!
> 
> - Tom
> 
> 
> alaerte Vidali wrote:
> 
>>Need to transport multiple Vlans over PoS.
>>
>>Any Thoughts?
>>
>>It is a short term need.  It is necessary to move a server without changing
>>its IP address from Vlan 300 to Vlan 200 and a server from Vlan 100 to Vlan
>>200.
>>
>>
>>Vlan 100 (192.1.1.0)  R1 --- R2 (192.2.2.0) Vlan

Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]

2003-06-23 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
Frederico Madeira wrote:
> 
> Pricilla,
> 
> That is my problem. In A side i have a huawei 1602 router and
> in B side
> cisco 2600.
> Huawei don4t have extended ping (i4ve search in pdf and web and
> don4t
> found).
> Hava any other hint elsewhere extended ping ?

That's strange, but it doesn't matter. You can still do some
troubleshooting. Here are some questions to investigate.

Why in your testing could Host B send a packet to Host A, but Host B
couldn't send a packet to the serial interface on Router A?

When Host B sends the traceroute to Host A, it's either sending a UDP or
ICMP packet, depending on its operating system. That seems to work. All
layers are working. It can send the upper-layer packet and it has a route to
Host A.

It appears that Host B can't send an ICMP TTL Exceeded message to the serial
interface on Router A, however. That's the crux of the problem. (Traceroute
depends on the routers and target host sending an ICMP TTL Exceeded message).

What other testing have you done with Host B trying to reach the serial
interface on Router A? Can Host B ping or traceroute to that address?

At what layer does this problem reside? Does Host B really try to send the
message? (Use Ethereal to see if it does.) If not, does it have a firewall
that's blocking it? Probably not, since it can send a TTL Exceeded to Host
A. So it's probably a network-layer problem. Does it have a route to the
destiantation IP address (router A's serial interface?)

What does "route print" tell you? What does "ipconfig/all" tell you?
(assuming Windows)

If UNIX, try route -n, netstat -rn, ifconfig.

Of is the router somehow blocking the TTL Exceeded? That doesn't seem likely
since it works in the other cases. I would focus on Host B. I think he's
confused It could be a bug in the router, but something seems odd at
Host B, as a first guess.

Priscilla

> 
> Tanks.
> 
> 
> Frederico Madeira
> Coordenador de Suporte
> N. Landim Comircio Ltda
> PABX: 81. 3497.3029
> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 9:57 PM
> Subject: Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]
> 
> 
> > Frederico Madeira wrote:
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > A: GW= 10.61.2.1 / HOST: 10.61.2.2
> > > B: GW= 10.60.60.9 / HOST: 10.60.60.8
> > > A --> B
> > >
> > > Traceroute from host in A to host B:
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] tef]$ traceroute 10.60.60.8
> > > traceroute to 10.60.60.8 (10.60.60.8), 30 hops max, 40 byte
> > > packets
> > >  1  10.61.2.1 (10.61.2.1)  1.773 ms  1.642 ms  1.823 ms
> > >  2  172.1.0.1 (172.1.0.1)  29.812 ms  48.233 ms  37.402 ms
> > >  3  10.60.60.8 (10.60.60.8)  36.571 ms  47.847 ms  38.178 ms
> > >
> > > Traceroute from router on A to host B
> >
> > The source address on this packet from Router A was
> 172.1.2.1, guessing
> from
> > what else you have told us.
> >
> > > L002>trace 10.60.60.8
> > >   traceroute to 10.60.60.8(10.60.60.8) 30 hops max,40 bytes
> > > packet
> > >  1 172.1.0.1 60 ms  49 ms  38 ms
> > >  2  *  *
> >
> > Host B doesn't know how to send the necessary packet back to
> 172.1.2.1.
> > Check Host B's routing table and configuration.
> >
> > That's what MADMAN was getting at. Also, he suggested you try
> a ping or
> > traceroute from Router A using Router A's IP address on its
> Ethernet side.
> > It will probably work then.
> >
> > By default the router uses the IP address for the closest
> exit interface.
> > You can change the source address that the router uses by
> using extended
> > ping or extended traceroute. Type ping or trace and enter.
> That will take
> > you into the extended mode where you can set the source
> address.
> >
> > Keep us posted. I'm curious to know what you find. Thanks,
> >
> > Priscilla
> >
> > >
> > > B --> A
> > >
> > > Traceroute from host in B to host A:
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] /]# traceroute 10.61.2.2
> > > traceroute to 10.61.2.2 (10.61.2.2), 30 hops max, 38 byte
> > > packets
> > >  1  10.60.60.9 (10.60.60.9)  1.322 ms  0.945 ms  0.952 ms
> > >  2  172.1.2.1 (172.1.2.1)  34.040 ms  30.605 ms  30.743 ms
> > >  3  10.61.2.2 (10.61.2.2)  34.314 ms  32.899 ms  33.078 ms
> > >
> > > Traceroute from router on B to host A
> > > FarmPobres>trace 10.61.2.2
> > >
> > > Type escape sequence to abort.
> > > Tracing the route to 10.61.2.2
> > >
> > >   1 172.1.2.1 28 msec 24 msec 28 msec
> > >   2 10.61.2.2 28 msec 24 msec 24 msec
> > >
> > > Frederico Madeira
> > > Coordenador de Suporte
> > > N. Landim Comircio Ltda
> > > PABX: 81. 3497.3029
> > > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > - Original Message - 
> > > From: "MADMAN"
> > > To: "Frederico Madeira"
> > > Cc: ;
> > > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 3:11 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >If you can ping host to host from router A's LAN to
> router
> > > B's LAN
> > > the routers are working.
> > >
> > >Humor me, can you ping the remote LAN on router B from
> > > router A
> > > sourcing A

Re: Unable to copy from Sup-Slot0 [7:71038]

2003-06-23 Thread MADMAN
If you need to get it working copy the image off the slot0: onto a PC 
and then copy the image off the PC into the MSFC bootflash:, that will work.

   Dave

Kaminski, Shawn G wrote:
> Yes, the main problem is that I'm booting into boot mode, which is why I
> want to copy an image into bootflash. As you probably know, the boot image
> is required in bootflash in order to boot to the main image. Just so you
can
> see the whole process, I deleted the boot image from bootflash and started
> from scratch. As you can see, the boot image copies with no problem from
> sup-slot0 into bootflash. However, as soon as I try to copy the main image,
> it times out. I think I'll try formatting the flash card next and copy the
> images back onto it. Still no word from my TAC engineer.
> 
> Shawn K. 
> 
> 
> SMC6500#2MSFC(boot)#copy sup-slot0:c6msfc2-boot-mz.121-8a.EX bootflash:
> Destination filename [c6msfc2-boot-mz.121-8a.EX]?
> Accessing sup-slot0:c6msfc2-boot-mz.121-8a.EX...
> Loading slot0:c6msfc2-boot-mz.121-8a.EX from 127.0.0.11 (via EOBC0/0): !
> Loading slot0:c6msfc2-boot-mz.121-8a.EX
> Loading slot0:c6msfc2-boot-mz.121-8a.EX
> Loading slot0:c6msfc2-boot-mz.121-8a.EX
> Loading slot0:c6msfc2-boot-mz.121-8a.EX
> Loading slot0:c6msfc2-boot-mz.121-8a.EX from 127.0.0.11 (via EOBC0/0): 
> !!!
> !!!
> !!!
> !!
> [OK - 1693168/3385344 bytes]
> 1693168 bytes copied in 96.552 secs (17637 bytes/sec)
> 
> SMC6500#2MSFC(boot)#copy sup-slot0:c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5 bootflash:
> Destination filename [c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5]?
> Accessing sup-slot0:c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5...
> Loading slot0:c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5 ...from 127.0.0.11 (via EOBC0/0): !
> Loading slot0:c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5
> Loading slot0:c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5
> Loading slot0:c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5
> Loading slot0:c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5
> %Error opening sup-slot0:c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5 (Timed out)
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: MADMAN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 11:15 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Unable to copy from Sup-Slot0 [7:71038]
> 
> Kaminski, Shawn G wrote:
> 
>>OK, this is probably something simple, but my brain is done thinking
>>tonight. I'm getting a timeout when trying to copy a 6509 IOS image
>>(c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5) from the 6509 Supervisor Slot0: flash card to
> 
> the
> 
>>MSFC2 bootflash: . I just copied the boot image
> 
> (c6msfc2-boot-mz.121-8a.EX)
> 
>>with no problems from the Supervisor Slot0: flash card to the MSFC2
>>bootflash:, but get a timeout when I try to do the image . There's plenty
> 
> of
> 
>>bootflash and the flash card is 24 MB, so it's not a matter of space. The
>>image is not corrupt. Any advice is appreciated.
> 
> 
>I don't feel like putting my MSFC into boot mode but I suspect that 
> is  you issue!!
> 
> MSFC_15#copy sup-slot0:c6msfc2-jk2o3sv-mz.121-13.E3.bin bootflash:
> Destination filename [c6msfc2-jk2o3sv-mz.121-13.E3.bin]?
> Accessing sup-slot0:c6msfc2-jk2o3sv-mz.121-13.E3.bin...
> Loading slot0:c6msfc2-jk2o3sv-mz.121-13.E3.bin .from 127.0.0.11 (via 
> EOBC0/0): !
> Loading slot0:c6msfc2-jk2o3sv-mz.121-13.E3.bin .from 127.0.0.11 (via 
> EOBC0/0): !
>

> 
> !!!
> snip
> 
>Dave
> 
> 
>> 
>>SMC6500#2MSFC(boot)#copy sup-slot0: bootflash:
>>Source filename []? c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5
>>Destination filename [c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5]?
>>Accessing sup-slot0:c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5...
>>Loading slot0:c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5 ...from 127.0.0.11 (via EOBC0/0): !
>>Loading slot0:c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5
>>Loading slot0:c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5
>>Loading slot0:c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5
>>Loading slot0:c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5
>>%Error opening sup-slot0:c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5 (Timed out)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>Shawn G. Kaminski
>>EDS - GTO Capability Center
>>Dow Chemical Test Facilities - Network Support
> 


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Re: When to use BGP Was: number of CCIE [7:70151]

2003-06-23 Thread MADMAN
Were the two T1's terminating at two differant ISP's?  If so BGP
 would be appropriate.  If you have 2 T1's terminating at a single 
 ISP in
 the same POP then no.
>>>
>>>
>>> What would you do if they had been terminating at a single ISP in the 
>>> same POP? Or did you mean "same router"?
>>
>>
>>   Most likely simple default routes.
> 
> 
> You mean default static routes? From a pure theoretical point of view, 
> that seems a bit dangerous to me (to have two default static route 
> pointing to two different routers). If one of the ISP routers is not 
> directly connected to the customer's router (because for example there 
> is an Ethernet switch in the middle), then the customer's router won't 
> notice even if the ISP router is powered down. Even if the two routers 
> are directly connected, it is possible (even though with current IOS 
> versions it is not very likely) that the interface stays up even though 
> routing dies on the ISP router. In short, I think there is a chance of 
> you blackholing half of your traffic.
> 
> Comments? :)
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Zsombor

   Unless your co-located with your ISP your probably not connected to 
an ethernet switch!  Though even if serially connected, with static 
routes you would not know if the LAN connection on the ISP router went 
down effectively causing the same blackholing you refer to.

   Like most things there is a cost/benefit analysis.  WAN links are 
more prone to outages than the LAN, pointing your default to the ISP WAN 
is simple and commonly used config.  For cusomters that are more 
sensitive to outages may opt for dual homing to 2 ISP's using ful 
routing and have their WAN connections via a SHNS or SHARP configuration.

   Redundancy and simplicity are not bedfellows and the more your 
willing to spend the more redundancy can be had.

   Dave

> 
>>  Though as Howard alluded to there are some exceptions where you may 
>> use BGP but not to recieve full routing but more likely to control 
>> network announcements.  You could exchange same router/POP as far as 
>> routing is concerned.
>>
>>   Dave
>>


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RES: RES: Loopback subnet mask [7:71121]

2003-06-23 Thread Henrique Issamu Terada
Remember it is just a lab . 
You may be asked to do things you wouldn't in the field . 
It is the same case as : do something , but don't use command XX  . . .


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> Enviada em:   segunda-feira, 23 de junho de 2003 15:14
> Para: Henrique Issamu Terada
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> Assunto:  Re: RES: Loopback subnet mask [7:71121]
> 
> You mean the point of the exercise is whether you know how to force OSPF
> to 
> advertise the configured /24 mask?
> 
> But why would you want to have a /24 mask to start with?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Zsombor
> 
> At 02:53 PM 6/23/2003 -0300, Henrique Issamu Terada wrote:
> >The key point in this case is to have OSPF advertising the real subnet,
> >instead  of /32 address.
> >In order to achieve it , add ip ospf network ponit-to-pont under
> interface
> >config.
> >
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> > > Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Assunto:  Re: Loopback subnet mask [7:71121]
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > IMHO it is technically incorrect to configure anything but /32 on a
> > > loopback. Last time I checked, OSPF in IOS advertised the loopback
> address
> > >
> > > as /32 regardless of the configured mask, but other protocols did not
> (ie.
> > >
> > > they advertised the mask as you configured it). So if you ever
> configure
> > > two or more loopbacks with /24 and they happen to be in the same
> subnet,
> > > and the routing protocol happens to advertise this information as you
> > > configured it, then you will have an unreachable loopback.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Zsombor
> > >
> > > At 08:25 AM 6/23/2003 +, Lesly Verdier wrote:
> > > >Hi Group,
> > > >
> > > >I'm practicing the Satterlee and Hutnik labs. Sometimes they
> > > >ask to configure the loopback interfaces differently.
> > > >
> > > >interface Loopback 0
> > > >  ip address 26.26.26.26 255.255.255.0
> > > >
> > > >or
> > > >
> > > >interface Loopback 0
> > > >  ip address 29.29.29.29 255.255.255.255
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Is there a subtle but important difference between a /24 subnet
> > > >mask and a /32 subnet mask? When and why do you prefer one over
> > > >the other?
> > > >
> > > >Thanks,
> > > >
> > > >Lesly Verdier
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RE: question about proxy-arp [7:71113]

2003-06-23 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
henry bb wrote:
> 
> today I already know why 2500 can ping 88.1.77.1 because

It doesn't make sense that the 2500 can ping all the way to the 3550
Ethernet interface based on the minimal information that you told us before.
You must be doing routing. It has nothing to do with Proxy ARP, though.
Maybe you have on-demand routing or something.

> proxy-arp doesn't function on serial interface.
> so what's the real function of proxy-arp on serial interface ? 

Proxy ARP has no meaning on a serial interface. ARP has no meaning on a
serial interface, (unless you're referring to Frame Relay's Inverse ARP,
which is a different story. It finds the IP address when the DLCI is known.)

Serial interfaces don't have MAC addresses. They don't connect devices that
have MAC addresses. ARP finds the MAC address when the IP address is known.
It's meaningless on a serial interface.

If you configure Proxy ARP on an Ethernet interface, the router could
respond to ARP requests on its Ethernet side on behalf of devices on its
other side, (across the serial link in this case), assuming the router knows
that it can get to those devices. That's the definition of Proxy ARP.

> Does it work when bridge on the serial interface ? 
> If bridge on serial interface,how ios transfer arp ? I think
> there isn't mac address on serial interface . Is there some
> encapusation to packet the mac and transfer the lan frame
> through serial interface ?

If you were doing bridging, then the router interfaces would be passing all
broadcasts, without any knowledge of what they were passing. So Ethernet
devices could theoretically ARP through a bridged network that included WAN
links. The encapsulation would be whatever was configured for the WAN links.
It wouldn't matter. Bridging is transparent.

I've never heard of anyone doing that and there might be some gotchas, but I
think it would work. The ARP data has enough info in it for it to work. It
doesn't care about the data-link-layer header that is used to transfer the
request or reply.

Priscilla

> 
> regards 
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Re: netbios [7:71084]

2003-06-23 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
NetBIOS is a session layer protocol. Of course it's routable.

Yes, it's true that IBM invented NetBIOS.

NetBEUI was the name of IBM's software module that implemented NetBIOS. It
usually ran in conjunction with TOKREUI, by the way, which was driver
software for Token Ring.

NetBEUI didn't make any calls to a network layer. It assumed it was running
directly above LLC and made calls to LLC's interface. It also make
source-route bridging calls, by the way.

It's just semantics at this point but does point out a couple higher-level
concepts.

One, networking is more complicated than the simple statements like "NetBIOS
is not routable" that you will find in Networking 101 papers.

Two, it's important to understand that every layer makes calls to a layer
below and every layer offers services to a layer above. Because the service
interface of a layer, whether it be LLC or UDP, is well known (hopefully),
any upper layer can call on it. So, an implementation of a session layer
protocol such as NetBIOS can call on UDP, TCP, LLC, or IPX. That's the real
message from the infamous OSI model. It's all about service interfaces.


Priscilla


- jvd wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I just want to make something clear. NetBIOS and NetBEUI were
> created by IBM and later found its way to Microsoft networks
> who changed it.
> 
> - These protocols are non-routable in an IBM environment.
> - NetBEUI is non-routable in TCP/IP networks.
> - NetBIOS is non-routable without the help of NetBT.
> 
> NetBT is NetBIOS over TCP/IP and was conceived in RFCs 1001 and
> 1002 to enable NetBIOS to be routed. Short overview here:
>
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/reskit/en-us/default.asp?url=/windows2000/techinfo/reskit/en-us/cnet/cnad_arc_khqp.asp
> 
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Re: RES: Loopback subnet mask [7:71121]

2003-06-23 Thread Zsombor Papp
You mean the point of the exercise is whether you know how to force OSPF to 
advertise the configured /24 mask?

But why would you want to have a /24 mask to start with?

Thanks,

Zsombor

At 02:53 PM 6/23/2003 -0300, Henrique Issamu Terada wrote:
>The key point in this case is to have OSPF advertising the real subnet,
>instead  of /32 address.
>In order to achieve it , add ip ospf network ponit-to-pont under interface
>config.
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> > Assunto:  Re: Loopback subnet mask [7:71121]
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > IMHO it is technically incorrect to configure anything but /32 on a
> > loopback. Last time I checked, OSPF in IOS advertised the loopback
address
> >
> > as /32 regardless of the configured mask, but other protocols did not
(ie.
> >
> > they advertised the mask as you configured it). So if you ever configure
> > two or more loopbacks with /24 and they happen to be in the same subnet,
> > and the routing protocol happens to advertise this information as you
> > configured it, then you will have an unreachable loopback.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Zsombor
> >
> > At 08:25 AM 6/23/2003 +, Lesly Verdier wrote:
> > >Hi Group,
> > >
> > >I'm practicing the Satterlee and Hutnik labs. Sometimes they
> > >ask to configure the loopback interfaces differently.
> > >
> > >interface Loopback 0
> > >  ip address 26.26.26.26 255.255.255.0
> > >
> > >or
> > >
> > >interface Loopback 0
> > >  ip address 29.29.29.29 255.255.255.255
> > >
> > >
> > >Is there a subtle but important difference between a /24 subnet
> > >mask and a /32 subnet mask? When and why do you prefer one over
> > >the other?
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >
> > >Lesly Verdier
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RE: 3745 stumper [7:71146]

2003-06-23 Thread Mark W. Odette II
Could it be the CSU/DSU?!?!

Not like that hasn't happened before.

Just an Idea...

-Original Message-
From: Puckette, Larry (TIFPC) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 11:24 AM
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Subject: 3745 stumper [7:71146]

I'm resending to correct myself. - The routers crash with either inbound
or
outbound, 200-300kbps traffic through the DSU and Internet access. ---
should have proofread before sending and gotten this correct on the
first
send. !!!
__-
Hi all, I don't normally have anything to actively contribute, so I just
lurk and learn. But, we have one now that may generate interesting
conversation. We are installing a new Internet access and have Cisco
3725
routers. The internal DSU has BNC connections to the DS3. We are using
PPP
protocol. While testing everything seems fine until approaching
200-300kbps.
The traffic is HTTP and HTTPS. The routers crash when the slightest
stress
of traffic. The symptoms are constant for both the primary and the
secondary
routers. TFTP traffic through internal interfaces cause no problems,
only
traffic that is outbound through the DSUs towards the DS3. The IOS
versions
have been upgraded to current and then downgraded to less current while
troubleshooting. Cisco is now looking into IOS problems, but I thought
I'd
throw this out there for all you GURUs and give you a chance at it too.

Have a GREAT day and thanx tons for the forum. 

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RES: Loopback subnet mask [7:71121]

2003-06-23 Thread Henrique Issamu Terada
The key point in this case is to have OSPF advertising the real subnet,
instead  of /32 address.
In order to achieve it , add ip ospf network ponit-to-pont under interface
config. 

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> Enviada em:   segunda-feira, 23 de junho de 2003 11:21
> Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Assunto:  Re: Loopback subnet mask [7:71121]
> 
> Hi,
> 
> IMHO it is technically incorrect to configure anything but /32 on a 
> loopback. Last time I checked, OSPF in IOS advertised the loopback address
> 
> as /32 regardless of the configured mask, but other protocols did not (ie.
> 
> they advertised the mask as you configured it). So if you ever configure 
> two or more loopbacks with /24 and they happen to be in the same subnet, 
> and the routing protocol happens to advertise this information as you 
> configured it, then you will have an unreachable loopback.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Zsombor
> 
> At 08:25 AM 6/23/2003 +, Lesly Verdier wrote:
> >Hi Group,
> >
> >I'm practicing the Satterlee and Hutnik labs. Sometimes they
> >ask to configure the loopback interfaces differently.
> >
> >interface Loopback 0
> >  ip address 26.26.26.26 255.255.255.0
> >
> >or
> >
> >interface Loopback 0
> >  ip address 29.29.29.29 255.255.255.255
> >
> >
> >Is there a subtle but important difference between a /24 subnet
> >mask and a /32 subnet mask? When and why do you prefer one over
> >the other?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Lesly Verdier
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RE: question about proxy-arp [7:71113]

2003-06-23 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
> 
> henry bb wrote:
> > 
> > today I already know why 2500 can ping 88.1.77.1 because
> 
> It doesn't make sense that the 2500 can ping all the way to the
> 3550 Ethernet interface based on the minimal information that
> you told us before. You must be doing routing. It has nothing
> to do with Proxy ARP, though. Maybe you have on-demand routing
> or something.

Ignore that part of the message. I just noticed the inconsistent subnet
masks. Of course, it works. The router in the middle knows how to get to
each subnet using the /24 mask. The router on the left knows that all of the
larger subnet is out its serial interface.

It's a bug to have the two routers on the left using a different subnet mask
to refer to the WAN subnet, by the way. Why worry about whether it works and
how it works at all if you're using a buggy configuraton? :-)

Priscilla


> 
> > proxy-arp doesn't function on serial interface.
> > so what's the real function of proxy-arp on serial interface
> ?
> 
> Proxy ARP has no meaning on a serial interface. ARP has no
> meaning on a serial interface, (unless you're referring to
> Frame Relay's Inverse ARP, which is a different story. It finds
> the IP address when the DLCI is known.)
> 
> Serial interfaces don't have MAC addresses. They don't connect
> devices that have MAC addresses. ARP finds the MAC address when
> the IP address is known. It's meaningless on a serial interface.
> 
> If you configure Proxy ARP on an Ethernet interface, the router
> could respond to ARP requests on its Ethernet side on behalf of
> devices on its other side, (across the serial link in this
> case), assuming the router knows that it can get to those
> devices. That's the definition of Proxy ARP.
> 
> > Does it work when bridge on the serial interface ? 
> > If bridge on serial interface,how ios transfer arp ? I think
> > there isn't mac address on serial interface . Is there some
> > encapusation to packet the mac and transfer the lan frame
> > through serial interface ?
> 
> If you were doing bridging, then the router interfaces would be
> passing all broadcasts, without any knowledge of what they were
> passing. So Ethernet devices could theoretically ARP through a
> bridged network that included WAN links. The encapsulation
> would be whatever was configured for the WAN links. It wouldn't
> matter. Bridging is transparent.
> 
> I've never heard of anyone doing that and there might be some
> gotchas, but I think it would work. The ARP data has enough
> info in it for it to work. It doesn't care about the
> data-link-layer header that is used to transfer the request or
> reply.
> 
> Priscilla
> 
> > 
> > regards 
> > Henry 
> 
> 




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Re: netbios [7:71084]

2003-06-23 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
jountao wrote:
> 
> Directed broadcastes are less of a burden as far as passing
> brodcasts for
> specific apps.

Directed broadcasts are not allowed on modern networks and are totally
irrelevant to Windows networking anyway, which doesn't use them.

> indeed netbios is not routeble, to route it u use NBT or NBIPX

He's using NBT obviously or he wouldn't be talking about UDP and TCP port
numbers.

Priscilla


> 
> ""Priscilla Oppenheimer""  a icrit dans
> le message de
> news: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > koh jef wrote:
> > >
> > > hi guys,
> > >
> > > can netbios,using port 137, 138 and 139 be routed thru WAN
> ???
> >
> > NetBIOS uses UDP and TCP which run on top of IP, which is
> routable over an
> > IP internetwork, including WAN links.
> >
> > Routers don't forward broadcasts though, by default. When
> NetBIOS runs
> over
> > UDP ports 137 and 138, a lot of it is broadcasts. You can use
> an IP helper
> > address and udp forwarding on a router to get the router to
> forward those.
> > That might not be such a good idea, though. It could make
> resources
> > available across the WAN that you don't want to make
> available. It could
> > require you to open ports on firewalls, resulting in security
> risks.
> >
> > You need take a higher-level view of what you're trying to
> do... Windows
> > networking across an internetwork can be challenging...
> >
> > Priscilla
> 
> 




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RE: wireless field engineer practice test? [7:71011]

2003-06-23 Thread Joao Medeiros
with cco in cisco website (partner learning connection) have one lab to this
test.

Best Regards

Joao Medeiros


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RE: 3745 stumper [7:71136]

2003-06-23 Thread Puckette, Larry (TIFPC)
Thanx all for the interest. We have vendor management support on this
equipment and I haven't been able to into it due to changes over the
weekend. So, I regrettably can't answer the question about 'crashinfo'. But
it sounds like a very interesting command that I was unaware of and will
continue trying to get into the router to see. 

Larry Puckette
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 -Original Message-
From:   MADMAN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent:   Monday, June 23, 2003 11:44 AM
To: Puckette, Larry (TIFPC)
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: 3745 stumper [7:71136]


   When it crashes are you generating a crashinfo file?  do you see any 
error messages, tracebacks, etc...

   Dave

Puckette, Larry (TIFPC) wrote:
> Hi all, I don't normally have anything to actively contribute, so I just
> lurk and learn. But, we have one now that may generate interesting
> conversation. We are installing a new Internet access and have Cisco 3725
> routers. The internal DSU has BNC connections to the DS3. We are using PPP
> protocol. While testing everything seems fine until approaching
200-300kbps.
> The traffic is HTTP and HTTPS. The routers crash when the slightest stress
> of traffic. The symptoms are constant for both the primary and the
secondary
> routers. TFTP traffic through internal interfaces cause no problems, only
> traffic that is outbound through the DSUs towards the DS3. The IOS
versions
> have been upgraded to current and then downgraded to less current while
> troubleshooting. Cisco is now looking into IOS problems, but I thought I'd
> throw this out there for all you GURUs and give you a chance at it too.
> 
> Have a GREAT day and thanx tons for the forum. 
> 
> Larry Puckette
> Senior Network Analyst
> Temple Inland/Austin Data Center
> 512/434-1838
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Where the only idol is money and power, there is no hope for integrity.
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Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]

2003-06-23 Thread MADMAN
Really, interesting as more info is getting out!!

   What happens if you trace from a host on the B LAN to the serial 
interface of the huawei router?

   Dave

Frederico Madeira wrote:
> Pricilla,
> 
> That is my problem. In A side i have a huawei 1602 router and in B side
> cisco 2600.
> Huawei don4t have extended ping (i4ve search in pdf and web and don4t
> found).
> Hava any other hint elsewhere extended ping ?
> 
> Tanks.
> 
> 
> Frederico Madeira
> Coordenador de Suporte
> N. Landim Comircio Ltda
> PABX: 81. 3497.3029
> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 9:57 PM
> Subject: Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]
> 
> 
> 
>>Frederico Madeira wrote:
>>
>>>Dave
>>>
>>>A: GW= 10.61.2.1 / HOST: 10.61.2.2
>>>B: GW= 10.60.60.9 / HOST: 10.60.60.8
>>>A --> B
>>>
>>>Traceroute from host in A to host B:
>>>
>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] tef]$ traceroute 10.60.60.8
>>>traceroute to 10.60.60.8 (10.60.60.8), 30 hops max, 40 byte
>>>packets
>>> 1  10.61.2.1 (10.61.2.1)  1.773 ms  1.642 ms  1.823 ms
>>> 2  172.1.0.1 (172.1.0.1)  29.812 ms  48.233 ms  37.402 ms
>>> 3  10.60.60.8 (10.60.60.8)  36.571 ms  47.847 ms  38.178 ms
>>>
>>>Traceroute from router on A to host B
>>
>>The source address on this packet from Router A was 172.1.2.1, guessing
> 
> from
> 
>>what else you have told us.
>>
>>
>>>L002>trace 10.60.60.8
>>>  traceroute to 10.60.60.8(10.60.60.8) 30 hops max,40 bytes
>>>packet
>>> 1 172.1.0.1 60 ms  49 ms  38 ms
>>> 2  *  *
>>
>>Host B doesn't know how to send the necessary packet back to 172.1.2.1.
>>Check Host B's routing table and configuration.
>>
>>That's what MADMAN was getting at. Also, he suggested you try a ping or
>>traceroute from Router A using Router A's IP address on its Ethernet side.
>>It will probably work then.
>>
>>By default the router uses the IP address for the closest exit interface.
>>You can change the source address that the router uses by using extended
>>ping or extended traceroute. Type ping or trace and enter. That will take
>>you into the extended mode where you can set the source address.
>>
>>Keep us posted. I'm curious to know what you find. Thanks,
>>
>>Priscilla
>>
>>
>>>B --> A
>>>
>>>Traceroute from host in B to host A:
>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] /]# traceroute 10.61.2.2
>>>traceroute to 10.61.2.2 (10.61.2.2), 30 hops max, 38 byte
>>>packets
>>> 1  10.60.60.9 (10.60.60.9)  1.322 ms  0.945 ms  0.952 ms
>>> 2  172.1.2.1 (172.1.2.1)  34.040 ms  30.605 ms  30.743 ms
>>> 3  10.61.2.2 (10.61.2.2)  34.314 ms  32.899 ms  33.078 ms
>>>
>>>Traceroute from router on B to host A
>>>FarmPobres>trace 10.61.2.2
>>>
>>>Type escape sequence to abort.
>>>Tracing the route to 10.61.2.2
>>>
>>>  1 172.1.2.1 28 msec 24 msec 28 msec
>>>  2 10.61.2.2 28 msec 24 msec 24 msec
>>>
>>>Frederico Madeira
>>>Coordenador de Suporte
>>>N. Landim Comircio Ltda
>>>PABX: 81. 3497.3029
>>>e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>- Original Message - 
>>>From: "MADMAN"
>>>To: "Frederico Madeira"
>>>Cc: ;
>>>Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 3:11 PM
>>>Subject: Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   If you can ping host to host from router A's LAN to router
>>>B's LAN
>>>the routers are working.
>>>
>>>   Humor me, can you ping the remote LAN on router B from
>>>router A
>>>sourcing A's LAN??  If so I stand by my earlier post...
>>>
>>>   Dave
>>>
>>>Frederico Madeira wrote:
>>>
Dave,

My problem isn4t in host. The problem occour in router. When
>>>
>>>i try to ping
>>>
in any host to another lan.

Frederico Madeira
Coordenador de Suporte
N. Landim Comircio Ltda
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From: "MADMAN"
To: "Frederico Madeira"
Cc:
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]




>Frederico Madeira wrote:
>
>
>>Hellow,
>>
>>i have a problem in conectivity of my two fr networks.
>>
>>If i ping from any host on LAN1 to any host on LAN2 he works
>
>>>fine, but
>>>
if i


>>ping from router1 to any host on LAN2, dont4t work.
>>I understand becouse in two cases the packet trought for
>
>>>same router in
>>>
>>NETWORK1. But via LAN he works, via console not.
>>
>>any advice ???
>>
>>Frederico Madeira
>>Coordenador de Suporte
>>N. Landim Comircio Ltda
>>PABX: 81. 3497.3029
>>e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>  And if you ping from the router sourcing the LAN it

>>>probably works
>>>
>also.  If so the hosts on the LAN don't have a route to your

>>>WAN.  Make
>>>
>the default gateway on your hosts the repective router

>>>ethernet
>>>
>interface and you should be set.
>
>  Dave
>
>
>
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Re: netbios [7:71084]

2003-06-23 Thread - jvd
Hi,

I just want to make something clear. NetBIOS and NetBEUI were created by IBM
and later found its way to Microsoft networks who changed it.

- These protocols are non-routable in an IBM environment.
- NetBEUI is non-routable in TCP/IP networks.
- NetBIOS is non-routable without the help of NetBT.

NetBT is NetBIOS over TCP/IP and was conceived in RFCs 1001 and 1002 to
enable NetBIOS to be routed. Short overview here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/reskit/en-us/default.asp?url=/windows2000/techinfo/reskit/en-us/cnet/cnad_arc_khqp.asp




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Re: 3745 stumper [7:71136]

2003-06-23 Thread MADMAN
When it crashes are you generating a crashinfo file?  do you see any 
error messages, tracebacks, etc...

   Dave

Puckette, Larry (TIFPC) wrote:
> Hi all, I don't normally have anything to actively contribute, so I just
> lurk and learn. But, we have one now that may generate interesting
> conversation. We are installing a new Internet access and have Cisco 3725
> routers. The internal DSU has BNC connections to the DS3. We are using PPP
> protocol. While testing everything seems fine until approaching
200-300kbps.
> The traffic is HTTP and HTTPS. The routers crash when the slightest stress
> of traffic. The symptoms are constant for both the primary and the
secondary
> routers. TFTP traffic through internal interfaces cause no problems, only
> traffic that is outbound through the DSUs towards the DS3. The IOS versions
> have been upgraded to current and then downgraded to less current while
> troubleshooting. Cisco is now looking into IOS problems, but I thought I'd
> throw this out there for all you GURUs and give you a chance at it too.
> 
> Have a GREAT day and thanx tons for the forum. 
> 
> Larry Puckette
> Senior Network Analyst
> Temple Inland/Austin Data Center
> 512/434-1838
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Where the only idol is money and power, there is no hope for integrity.
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Re: number of CCIE [7:70151]

2003-06-23 Thread Duy Nguyen
If it comes down to money.  Why not increase the rate?  I've remember when
the price for exam was only a G.  When they decided to raise the price,
peeps start to mumbleed and grumbleed how the test was getting so expensive,
but that didn't stop peeps from taking the test.  Raise it again if they
want to value there flagship cert.  Everyone would agree w/me that the value
of the cert has a lot more value than the value put in to obtained the cert.
- Original Message -
From: "Carroll Kong" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: number of CCIE [7:70151]


> Hmmm that might work.  However, while you say someone good with
> concepts will do well, that is what I always thought earlier, until a
> good amount of members on this list and "in the real world" insisted
> that good knowledge of theory won't get you anywhere on the CCIE
> exam, only "hardened practice".
>
> Granted, you probably need a good mixture of both, and I feel strong
> theory is worth a heck of a lot more than just mindless practice.
> (and I mean really understanding it, not just saying "oh yeah it..
> um.. makes packets move).
>
> I guess we have to wonder what Cisco's ultimate goals are.  If they
> decreased the lab time and altered the exam to be more 'streamlined'
> and 'easier', why would they immediately step backwards?
>
> I think your ideas are very good in increasing the difficulty of the
> exam, but this is just going to be a big expensive variation war,
> somewhat like hackers vs developers and hackers vs virus scanner
> software companies.
>
> If Cisco wanted more CCIEs out in the field, why would they want to
> engage in this expensive battle anyway?  If they truly wanted to
> increase the value, why take the steps they have taken now such as
> decreasing the lab time and making it more streamlined?
>
> > That's a decent first step.
> >
> > But I would go further.  I would actually mix up the equipment.  Let me
> > explain.
> >
> > The final objection I have heard is that it will make test grading
harder.
> > For example, one person might get the "ISDN rack" and fail whereas he
might
> > have passed if he had gotten  the "switching rack", or something like
that,
> > and therefore a certain element of dumb luck enters into the fray. First
of
> > all, that already happens now - if you happen to get test questions on
> > subjects that you know very well, you are far more likely to pass than
if
> > you get test questions on subjects that you know poorly.  Second of all,
> > hey, welcome to the real world, where no 2 networks are alike.  Again,
if
> > your grounding in concepts is good, you should be able to handle the
> > variety.  Third, need I say it, such objections could be properly
addressed
> > through my old idea of relative scoring (but I digress)
> >
> > Anyway, the point is, now I think it is time for Cisco to seriously
> consider
> > using different racks.  I see little reason besides inertia and
nostalgia
> > for all test racks to always be exactly the same.
> >
>
>
> -Carroll Kong




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When to use BGP Was: number of CCIE [7:70151]

2003-06-23 Thread Zsombor Papp
At 09:34 AM 6/23/2003 -0500, MADMAN wrote:


>Zsombor Papp wrote:
>>At 08:26 PM 6/20/2003 +, MADMAN wrote:
>>
>>>Mark E. Hayes wrote:
>>> > NOT being a wise-a$$ here... When is it appropriate to run BGP? I set
it
>>> > up at the last job I had because I felt it was the best way to get
>>> > redundancy for web services. I had two T-1's, ASN, and had to guarantee
>>> > 100% uptime for one of our clients. Plus the enterprise was becoming
>>> > more web dependent with services we were offering.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> >
>>> > Mark
>>>
>>>Were the two T1's terminating at two differant ISP's?  If so BGP
>>>would be appropriate.  If you have 2 T1's terminating at a single ISP in
>>>the same POP then no.
>>
>>What would you do if they had been terminating at a single ISP in the 
>>same POP? Or did you mean "same router"?
>
>   Most likely simple default routes.

You mean default static routes? From a pure theoretical point of view, that 
seems a bit dangerous to me (to have two default static route pointing to 
two different routers). If one of the ISP routers is not directly connected 
to the customer's router (because for example there is an Ethernet switch 
in the middle), then the customer's router won't notice even if the ISP 
router is powered down. Even if the two routers are directly connected, it 
is possible (even though with current IOS versions it is not very likely) 
that the interface stays up even though routing dies on the ISP router. In 
short, I think there is a chance of you blackholing half of your traffic.

Comments? :)

Thanks,

Zsombor

>  Though as Howard alluded to there are some exceptions where you may use 
> BGP but not to recieve full routing but more likely to control network 
> announcements.  You could exchange same router/POP as far as routing is 
> concerned.
>
>   Dave
>
>>Thanks,
>>Zsombor
>>
>>>   Dave
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -Original Message-
>>> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
>>> > MADMAN
>>> > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 11:59 AM
>>> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> > Subject: Re: number of CCIE [7:70151]
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > n  The same was true of my 2-day
>>> >
>>> >>test, again, I had done everything on both days by mid-afternoon and I
>>> >
>>> > just
>>> >
>>> >>sat around with nothing to do but check my work over and over again.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Hmm, when I took the lab you were done configuring at noon on the
>>> > second day at which time the liberty was taken to destroy what you had
>>> > built and you then had a couple of hours to put it back together.
>>> >
>>> >Dave
>>> >
>>> >Nor is
>>> >
>>> >>my experience unique - I think that most CCIE's would agree that if
>>> >
>>> > you're
>>> >
>>> >>not done with several hours to spare, you're probably not going to
>>> >
>>> > pass.  I
>>> >
>>> >>would venture that very few people that have  passed the test have
>>> >
>>> > actually
>>> >
>>> >>required all the of the testtime that was allotted to them.
>>> >>
>>> >>What seems to kill people is that they don't read the questions
>>> >
>>> > carefully
>>> > or
>>> >
>>> >>they simply don't know the material and then they consequently make
>>> >>mistakes, and then in their haste, they start working too fast thereby
>>> >>making more mistakes, etc.  But again, if you know the material and
>>> >
>>> > you're
>>> >
>>> >>careful about reading the questions, the test is really quite
>>> >
>>> > straightforward.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >>>This is also probably why I got some seriously mixed reviews
>>> >>>from
>>> >>>different CCIEs in terms of the difficulty of the exams (be it
>>> >>>one
>>> >>>day or two day).
>>> >>>
>>> >>>For the record, the one day exam was more suited to my style
>>> >>>than the
>>> >>>two day sounded like.  Oh well, I will never have a direct
>>> >>>comparison
>>> >>>now.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>The same was said about the two day as well in terms of speed
>>> >>>but
>>> >>>with some ancillary tricks such as the physical element, etc.
>>> >>>I
>>> >>>suppose that is good to know, but hey, nothing 5 minutes
>>> >>>couldn't
>>> >>>figure out on a web page.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>I agree that the physical element was dumb.  But the troubleshooting
>>> >
>>> > section
>>> >
>>> >>was absolutely critical, see below.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>>The troubleshooting element was definitely a sorely missed
>>> >>>element
>>> >>
>>> >>>from the two day lab, but trust me, with the one day it is a
>>> >>
>>> >>>dynamic
>>> >>>truobleshooting element built in.  It is VERY easy to break
>>> >>>your
>>> >>>working network while you perform the exam.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>But not realistic.  Let's face it - as a network engineer, how many
>>> >
>>> > times
>>> >
>>> >>are you really building networks from scratch vs. how many times are
>>> >
>>> > you
>>> >
>>> >>troubleshooting already-built networks?  The fact is, building
>>> >
>>> > networks
>>> > from
>>> >
>>> >>scratch is really only a minor part of the overall job, most o

Re: Transporting Multiple Vlans over point-to-point [7:71074]

2003-06-23 Thread Tom Martin
Alaerte,

I can think of a couple ways to doing this. Be forewarned. Both are ugly.

Method #1: Relocate the servers /30 subnet
--

We'll say the server's IP address is 192.3.3.254/24. Create a secondary 
IP address on R2 for 192.3.3.252/30. R2's secondary address becomes 
192.3.3.253/30, the server can stay 192.3.3.254/24. Make sure that R3 
knows how to reach the 192.3.3.252/30 subnet (either static route or a 
classless routing protocol).

How it works:

Proxy ARP. Stations on VLAN 300 attempting to connect to the server will 
ARP for 192.3.3.254, for which R3 has a "better route", and will respond 
to the ARP with its own MAC. Traffic to 192.3.3.254 will be routed to 
R2. The reverse will happen when 192.3.3.254 attempts to respond to the 
client, it ARPs, R2 knows of a route and responds with its MAC, the 
packet is routed back.

Other info:

- I've assumed that the server address was 192.3.3.254, it could have 
been anything. The /30 subnet would change accordingly.
- I've assumed that .252 and .253 were not already in use. If they were, 
connectivity to these stations would be broken. You can get around this 
problem by configuring (and redistributing) static routes for 
192.3.3.252/32 and 192.3.3.253/32 pointed back towards Vlan 300 on R3.
- L2 Broadcasts will not be available to/from the new server


Method #2: Virtual router
-

This method has the unique property of being both cleaner (from a caveat 
perspective) and uglier at the same time. Imagine walking into this at a 
customer site -- how long would it take you to figure out what was going 
on? :)

Once again we'll say the server's IP address is 192.3.3.254/24. 
Configure a static route on R3 as follows:

 ip route 192.168.3.254 255.255.255.255 (ip_of_R2)

On R2, determine an IP address that isn't used for use as a virtual 
router. We'll say 192.168.2.254/24 isn't used. Create a static route on 
R2 to the server through the virtual router:

 ip route 192.168.3.254 255.255.255.255 192.168.2.254

The virtual gateway doesn't exist so pings to it will fail. Don't worry 
about that yet. Move the server to VLAN 200 without changing its IP 
address or mask. Determine the MAC address of the server. We'll say 
0001.0002.0003. On R2, configure the MAC for the virtual router to be 
the server's IP:

 arp 192.168.2.254 0001.0002.0003 arpa

You must perform similar steps on the server. We'll assume that its 
default gateway has not changed. We'll also assume that its default 
gateway was 192.3.3.1. Configure a static ARP entry for the default 
gateway that reflects R2's Ethernet MAC (0102.0304.0506):

 arp -s 172.30.16.254 01:02:03:04:05:06

Make sure that R3 knows how to reach the 192.3.3.254/32 subnet (either 
add a static route or redistribute on R2).

How it works:

Vlan 300 stations broadcast ARP, and R3 responds with its MAC (Proxy 
ARP). R3 forwards the packets to R2. R2 forwards the packets directly to 
the server (although it believes it is forwarding to another gateway). 
The server receives the packet because the MAC was correct, notices that 
it is the end station, and processes the packet. Traffic from the server 
to VLAN 300 is possible using Proxy ARP as describe in Method 1. Traffic 
to/from other VLANs (VLAN 100) will also work fine since the server 
forwards all of its "default gateway" traffic to the correct default 
gateway, R2.

Other info:

- I've assumed that the server address was 192.3.3.254, it could have 
been anything.
- The only 192.3.3.0/24 address used on VLAN 200 (other than the servers 
IP) is the Ethernet IP address of R3.
- L2 Broadcasts will not be available to/from the new server
- Pings to the virtual router will fail (it /is/ virtual after all), 
even though the server will have full network connectivity.


If you get around to actually doing either of these in the lab and run 
into trouble, let me know (the above was written from memory, and I may 
have missed a step or two). I originally came across these ideas after 
reading Doyle and configured them in the lab just to see if I could pull 
it off. Yep. :)

You would be surprised with some of the crazy labs you can make for 
yourself when IP addresses don't need to be contiguous or need to match 
the local router!

- Tom


alaerte Vidali wrote:
> Need to transport multiple Vlans over PoS.
> 
> Any Thoughts?
> 
> It is a short term need.  It is necessary to move a server without changing
> its IP address from Vlan 300 to Vlan 200 and a server from Vlan 100 to Vlan
> 200.
> 
> 
> Vlan 100 (192.1.1.0)  R1 --- R2 (192.2.2.0) Vlan 200
>|  |
>|  |
> Vlan 300 (192.3.3.0) R3---




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how about ccie salary in US? [7:71143]

2003-06-23 Thread james kong
Just the same as the subject,anyone who know it please tell!Thank u!


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RE: 3745 stumper [7:71136]

2003-06-23 Thread - jvd
My guess is that maybe there is a problem with the buffer assignment, i.e. a
memory problem, when you have a traffic rate approaching 200-300kbps. Cisco
will probably fix this in the software.

Regards,



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3745 stumper [7:71146]

2003-06-23 Thread Puckette, Larry (TIFPC)
I'm resending to correct myself. - The routers crash with either inbound or
outbound, 200-300kbps traffic through the DSU and Internet access. ---
should have proofread before sending and gotten this correct on the first
send. !!!
__-
Hi all, I don't normally have anything to actively contribute, so I just
lurk and learn. But, we have one now that may generate interesting
conversation. We are installing a new Internet access and have Cisco 3725
routers. The internal DSU has BNC connections to the DS3. We are using PPP
protocol. While testing everything seems fine until approaching 200-300kbps.
The traffic is HTTP and HTTPS. The routers crash when the slightest stress
of traffic. The symptoms are constant for both the primary and the secondary
routers. TFTP traffic through internal interfaces cause no problems, only
traffic that is outbound through the DSUs towards the DS3. The IOS versions
have been upgraded to current and then downgraded to less current while
troubleshooting. Cisco is now looking into IOS problems, but I thought I'd
throw this out there for all you GURUs and give you a chance at it too.

Have a GREAT day and thanx tons for the forum. 

Larry Puckette
Senior Network Analyst
Temple Inland/Austin Data Center
512/434-1838
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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RE: Transporting Multiple Vlans over point-to-point [7:71074]

2003-06-23 Thread alaerte Vidali
Any experience with EoMPLS?


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RE: Technology, Certification, Skill Sets, and Loo [7:70953]

2003-06-23 Thread Mark E. Hayes
Ok Sen. McCarthy,

Your response is Bolshevik, get it? ;) All I'm talking about is taking
care of people who took care of you. As an employee I have an obligation
to do x amount of work. I always do more than that, it's a pride thing.
I want the business I work for to prosper. What is wrong with showing an
employee like that some loyalty. I love the over analysis though. 



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Mark E. Hayes wrote:
> 
> The way I see it, which judging by the responses is wrong, you
> start a
> business by doing what you know how to do. I can't start a
> business
> making paper because I have no clue how to do that.  A big
> corporation
> can do that by simply buying another company out. But that big
> corp
> started somewhere, probably by a person or group of persons
> doing what
> they know how to do, and doing it well. Since they did it well,
> they
> made a profit and the business prospered. Now we have an entity
> (the
> corp)that was assembled by the sweat of it's workers. That core
> group
> that gave the corp it's legs to stand on. 

I see that you are familiar with the works of Marx.  Yet we are all
familiar
with how successful Marxism has been as an economic system.

Allow me to inject some counterplay into your argument.  First, it's not
like those initial workers got nothing.  At the very least, they got
paid a
salary.  Secondly, when we're talking about the first few workers at a
startup, more often than not those workers are handed pieces of equity
in
the form of stock options.  Secretaries who worked at Microsoft from the
very early days have gotten filthy rich precisely because of that
equity. 
Third, and most importantly, it's not like those workers are forced to
work
there.  They are free to quit whenever they want.  If some other company
offers them a better deal, they are free to take it at any time.

So the analysis breaks down as follows.  Let's say I create my startup
company and I decide want to hire you as my secretary.  So I make you
some
sort of compensation offer which you are free to accept or refuse. 
Obviously I have to give you some sort of offer that is comparable to
all
the other secretarial offers you may be getting from other companies,
otherwise you're not going to work for me, you're going to work for
those
other companies.

So let's say my company does does become big.  Why exactly are you, as
my
secretary, entitled to rewards beyond what may be stipulated in any
equity
that I had agreed to give you?  If I agreed to give you equity, then you
deserve the appreciation of that equity, but nothing more.  Did you
really
'build' that company?  Not really, most likely you just did secretarial
work
just like all the other thousands of other secretaries around the
country do
every day (for which you got paid just like every other secretary).

So why do you have any unusual claim to the success of the company
beyond
what was agreed upon in an equity package?  Just because you happened to
be
there, you deserve more benefits than the average secretary?  I simply
don't
see it as "giving the core group its legs to stand on" - you did the
same
secretarial work as you would have done anywhere else and you were paid
an
accompanying secretarial salary just like anywhere else.  Just because
you
happened to do that secretarial work at my startup company does not by
itself give you claim to the success of my company.  If you negotiated
some
equity in your employment contract, that's one thing, but you don't
deserve
anything more than what you negotiated.   That's like saying that if my
brother wins the lottery, I am somehow automatically entitled to part of
it.  If my brother wants to give me some of the winnings, that's one
thing,
but I have no right to demand it of him.

If you think that you as a startup worker should enjoy the benefits from
the
success of the company, then by all means negotiate yourself an equity
stake. Generally, startup negotiations tilt on how much salary you get
vs.
how much equity you want.  The more equity you want, the less salary you
are
offered.  Nowadays, I see that most people are leaning towards more
salary
and less equity because of the dotcom bust.  But the point is, if you
choose
to trade salary for equity, you can't return later and say "do-over" if
the
company becomes big.  If you agreed to trade equity for salary, then
that
was your choice.  After all, what happens if the company doesn't do well
- I
can't say "do-over" either, I can't just give you equity in lieu of
salary,
I have to pay you what I said I was going to pay you.


>Along comes Joe or
> Josephine
> CEO, president, or whatever. They have a bug up their butt to
> make even
> more profit. After all their business worth (and salary) is
> dictated by
> the revenues they generate. They did not 

Re: Unable to copy from Sup-Slot0 [7:71038]

2003-06-23 Thread MADMAN
Kaminski, Shawn G wrote:
> OK, this is probably something simple, but my brain is done thinking
> tonight. I'm getting a timeout when trying to copy a 6509 IOS image
> (c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5) from the 6509 Supervisor Slot0: flash card to
the
> MSFC2 bootflash: . I just copied the boot image (c6msfc2-boot-mz.121-8a.EX)
> with no problems from the Supervisor Slot0: flash card to the MSFC2
> bootflash:, but get a timeout when I try to do the image . There's plenty
of
> bootflash and the flash card is 24 MB, so it's not a matter of space. The
> image is not corrupt. Any advice is appreciated.

   I don't feel like putting my MSFC into boot mode but I suspect that 
is  you issue!!

MSFC_15#copy sup-slot0:c6msfc2-jk2o3sv-mz.121-13.E3.bin bootflash:
Destination filename [c6msfc2-jk2o3sv-mz.121-13.E3.bin]?
Accessing sup-slot0:c6msfc2-jk2o3sv-mz.121-13.E3.bin...
Loading slot0:c6msfc2-jk2o3sv-mz.121-13.E3.bin .from 127.0.0.11 (via 
EOBC0/0): !
Loading slot0:c6msfc2-jk2o3sv-mz.121-13.E3.bin .from 127.0.0.11 (via 
EOBC0/0): !

!!!
snip

   Dave

>  
> SMC6500#2MSFC(boot)#copy sup-slot0: bootflash:
> Source filename []? c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5
> Destination filename [c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5]?
> Accessing sup-slot0:c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5...
> Loading slot0:c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5 ...from 127.0.0.11 (via EOBC0/0): !
> Loading slot0:c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5
> Loading slot0:c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5
> Loading slot0:c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5
> Loading slot0:c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5
> %Error opening sup-slot0:c6msfc2-jsv-mz.121-8a.E5 (Timed out)
>  
>  
>  
> Shawn G. Kaminski
> EDS - GTO Capability Center
> Dow Chemical Test Facilities - Network Support
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RE: question about proxy-arp [7:71113]

2003-06-23 Thread Nikolay Abromov
arp cannot pass through serial links and when u want to ask for arp  router
behind that serial link then u set proxy-arp on ethernet and that router
reply instead router behind serial,as far as i know




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MPLS for CCIE [7:71132]

2003-06-23 Thread Swapnil Shah
Hi

Can you suggest me some URL / Books on MPLS  for Preparing for CCIE Written
Exam.

Do you need to know MPLS as a technology or required to configure MPLS based
Network / VPN... as I dont have access to equipments supporting MPLSso no
hand-on would be possible for me at this moment..

Thanks
Swapnil Shah




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RE: number of CCIE [7:70151]

2003-06-23 Thread Carroll Kong
> But that's really neither here nor there.  At the end of the day, more
> bootcamps = easier test.  Why there are more bootcamps around today is
> unimportant for purposes of this discussion.  It doesn't matter why - so
why
> ask why.  All that matters is are there more bootcamps.
> 
> Now again, I would reiterate that I don't have a problem with bootcamps per
> se. I see them as basically inevitable.  But on the other hand, it does
mean
> that Cisco must make the exam even more difficult to compensate for the
> effects of the bootcamps.

Right, I think I mentioned that in my earlier post (that ultimately 
it doesn't matter what caused the cycle, just that the net result is 
an easier exam).

Of course how to make it difficult, in a fair fashion is yet another 
animal.

> Personally I think the best way to solve this problem is to force people to
> recertify by taking the current lab exam again.  No more of this BS where
> guys can just take a written exam to recertify.  You want to continue
> calling yourself a CCIE?  Then you should have no problem in passing the
lab
> again.  Otherwise, we'll convert your status to 'retired CCIE' or CCIE
> emeritus or something like.

Yeah but that would clearly decrease the number of CCIEs, which can 
be viewed as a good or bad thing.  Cisco does want more CCIEs to some 
degree, yet it can hurt them if there is no longer a true "upper 
echelon" of certification anymore.

Ironically if they make a new tree, such as the "REAL CCIE", it only 
turns the current CCIES into a pile of ugly ducklings and validates 
all the nay-sayers of the CCIEs.  :)

> Hey, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it is a total negative.  But I
> dispute the fervent contention of some that it's a total positive.

 I think it is very difficult to adjust any complex system to 
get a total 'positive' when they are "upgraded".



-Carroll Kong




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Re: MPLS for CCIE [7:71132]

2003-06-23 Thread Devrim Yener KUCUK
For the Communication Services Written Exam , general knowledge for MPLS,
MPLS/VPN should be oki I think.
Cisco's MPLS and MPLS/VPN Tech Support page should be enough for the written
part for the MPLS and MPLS VPN questions.

http://www.cisco.com/pcgi-bin/Support/browse/psp_view.pl?p=Internetworking:M
PLS&s=Implementation_and_Configuration

My regards

De






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To: 
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 1:20 PM
Subject: MPLS for CCIE [7:71132]


> Hi
>
> Can you suggest me some URL / Books on MPLS  for Preparing for CCIE
Written
> Exam.
>
> Do you need to know MPLS as a technology or required to configure MPLS
based
> Network / VPN... as I dont have access to equipments supporting MPLSso
no
> hand-on would be possible for me at this moment..
>
> Thanks
> Swapnil Shah




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3745 stumper [7:71136]

2003-06-23 Thread Puckette, Larry (TIFPC)
Hi all, I don't normally have anything to actively contribute, so I just
lurk and learn. But, we have one now that may generate interesting
conversation. We are installing a new Internet access and have Cisco 3725
routers. The internal DSU has BNC connections to the DS3. We are using PPP
protocol. While testing everything seems fine until approaching 200-300kbps.
The traffic is HTTP and HTTPS. The routers crash when the slightest stress
of traffic. The symptoms are constant for both the primary and the secondary
routers. TFTP traffic through internal interfaces cause no problems, only
traffic that is outbound through the DSUs towards the DS3. The IOS versions
have been upgraded to current and then downgraded to less current while
troubleshooting. Cisco is now looking into IOS problems, but I thought I'd
throw this out there for all you GURUs and give you a chance at it too.

Have a GREAT day and thanx tons for the forum. 

Larry Puckette
Senior Network Analyst
Temple Inland/Austin Data Center
512/434-1838
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Where the only idol is money and power, there is no hope for integrity.




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Re: Proxy [7:70959]

2003-06-23 Thread Tom Martin
Gbenga,

Proxy Server 2.0 was the last version released before ISA server, and it 
did not support transparent proxy. Supporting transparent proxy is 
important here, since the HTTP header for a proxy request will always 
contain certain lines (such as "Host:"), whereas direct HTTP 1.0 
requests may eliminate these lines.

For a proxy server to work correctly, it is important that it know both 
the destination IP/host and the URL. If the proxy does not receive all 
of the required information, it can't service the proxy client. I am 
more familiar with Squid (I don't know whether Squid is supported on 
Windows) which can be configured to fix-up HTTP requests on the fly 
(recreating the Host line from the URI for example), allowing it to be 
used as a transparent proxy...

IP helper addresses don't apply to the problem you are trying to solve. 
Policy-based routing and WCCP won't do anything for you either, since 
you are limited by the Proxy server. You either have to use the bundled 
Proxy client software to force users to use the proxy or use a different 
proxy server.

- Tom

OLUGBENGA BANKOLE wrote:
> Tom,
> I refer to Microsoft Proxy server. i.e can I direct traffic to a microsoft
> proxy just like I would a DHCP server by using the ip helper address
command.
>  
>  
> Regards,
> Gbenga
> 
> 
> To God be the Glory.Gbenga.
> 
> -
> Do you Yahoo!?
> SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!




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Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]

2003-06-23 Thread Frederico Madeira
Pricilla,

That is my problem. In A side i have a huawei 1602 router and in B side
cisco 2600.
Huawei don4t have extended ping (i4ve search in pdf and web and don4t
found).
Hava any other hint elsewhere extended ping ?

Tanks.


Frederico Madeira
Coordenador de Suporte
N. Landim Comircio Ltda
PABX: 81. 3497.3029
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

- Original Message - 
From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]


> Frederico Madeira wrote:
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > A: GW= 10.61.2.1 / HOST: 10.61.2.2
> > B: GW= 10.60.60.9 / HOST: 10.60.60.8
> > A --> B
> >
> > Traceroute from host in A to host B:
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] tef]$ traceroute 10.60.60.8
> > traceroute to 10.60.60.8 (10.60.60.8), 30 hops max, 40 byte
> > packets
> >  1  10.61.2.1 (10.61.2.1)  1.773 ms  1.642 ms  1.823 ms
> >  2  172.1.0.1 (172.1.0.1)  29.812 ms  48.233 ms  37.402 ms
> >  3  10.60.60.8 (10.60.60.8)  36.571 ms  47.847 ms  38.178 ms
> >
> > Traceroute from router on A to host B
>
> The source address on this packet from Router A was 172.1.2.1, guessing
from
> what else you have told us.
>
> > L002>trace 10.60.60.8
> >   traceroute to 10.60.60.8(10.60.60.8) 30 hops max,40 bytes
> > packet
> >  1 172.1.0.1 60 ms  49 ms  38 ms
> >  2  *  *
>
> Host B doesn't know how to send the necessary packet back to 172.1.2.1.
> Check Host B's routing table and configuration.
>
> That's what MADMAN was getting at. Also, he suggested you try a ping or
> traceroute from Router A using Router A's IP address on its Ethernet side.
> It will probably work then.
>
> By default the router uses the IP address for the closest exit interface.
> You can change the source address that the router uses by using extended
> ping or extended traceroute. Type ping or trace and enter. That will take
> you into the extended mode where you can set the source address.
>
> Keep us posted. I'm curious to know what you find. Thanks,
>
> Priscilla
>
> >
> > B --> A
> >
> > Traceroute from host in B to host A:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] /]# traceroute 10.61.2.2
> > traceroute to 10.61.2.2 (10.61.2.2), 30 hops max, 38 byte
> > packets
> >  1  10.60.60.9 (10.60.60.9)  1.322 ms  0.945 ms  0.952 ms
> >  2  172.1.2.1 (172.1.2.1)  34.040 ms  30.605 ms  30.743 ms
> >  3  10.61.2.2 (10.61.2.2)  34.314 ms  32.899 ms  33.078 ms
> >
> > Traceroute from router on B to host A
> > FarmPobres>trace 10.61.2.2
> >
> > Type escape sequence to abort.
> > Tracing the route to 10.61.2.2
> >
> >   1 172.1.2.1 28 msec 24 msec 28 msec
> >   2 10.61.2.2 28 msec 24 msec 24 msec
> >
> > Frederico Madeira
> > Coordenador de Suporte
> > N. Landim Comircio Ltda
> > PABX: 81. 3497.3029
> > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "MADMAN"
> > To: "Frederico Madeira"
> > Cc: ;
> > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 3:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]
> >
> >
> >
> >If you can ping host to host from router A's LAN to router
> > B's LAN
> > the routers are working.
> >
> >Humor me, can you ping the remote LAN on router B from
> > router A
> > sourcing A's LAN??  If so I stand by my earlier post...
> >
> >Dave
> >
> > Frederico Madeira wrote:
> > > Dave,
> > >
> > > My problem isn4t in host. The problem occour in router. When
> > i try to ping
> > > in any host to another lan.
> > >
> > > Frederico Madeira
> > > Coordenador de Suporte
> > > N. Landim Comircio Ltda
> > > PABX: 81. 3497.3029
> > > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > - Original Message - 
> > > From: "MADMAN"
> > > To: "Frederico Madeira"
> > > Cc:
> > > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 2:31 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Ping Problems [7:70980]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >>Frederico Madeira wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>Hellow,
> > >>>
> > >>>i have a problem in conectivity of my two fr networks.
> > >>>
> > >>>If i ping from any host on LAN1 to any host on LAN2 he works
> > fine, but
> > >>
> > > if i
> > >
> > >>>ping from router1 to any host on LAN2, dont4t work.
> > >>>I understand becouse in two cases the packet trought for
> > same router in
> > >>>NETWORK1. But via LAN he works, via console not.
> > >>>
> > >>>any advice ???
> > >>>
> > >>>Frederico Madeira
> > >>>Coordenador de Suporte
> > >>>N. Landim Comircio Ltda
> > >>>PABX: 81. 3497.3029
> > >>>e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >>
> > >>   And if you ping from the router sourcing the LAN it
> > probably works
> > >>also.  If so the hosts on the LAN don't have a route to your
> > WAN.  Make
> > >>the default gateway on your hosts the repective router
> > ethernet
> > >>interface and you should be set.
> > >>
> > >>   Dave
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>-- 
> > >>David Madland
> > >>CCIE# 2016
> > >>Sr. Network Engineer
> > >>Qwest Communications
> > >>612-664-3367
> > >>
> > >>"Government can do something for the people only in
> > proportion as it
> > >>can do something to the people." -- Thomas Jefferson
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > -- 
> > David Madland
> > C

Re: Loopback subnet mask [7:71121]

2003-06-23 Thread Zsombor Papp
Hi,

IMHO it is technically incorrect to configure anything but /32 on a 
loopback. Last time I checked, OSPF in IOS advertised the loopback address 
as /32 regardless of the configured mask, but other protocols did not (ie. 
they advertised the mask as you configured it). So if you ever configure 
two or more loopbacks with /24 and they happen to be in the same subnet, 
and the routing protocol happens to advertise this information as you 
configured it, then you will have an unreachable loopback.

Thanks,

Zsombor

At 08:25 AM 6/23/2003 +, Lesly Verdier wrote:
>Hi Group,
>
>I'm practicing the Satterlee and Hutnik labs. Sometimes they
>ask to configure the loopback interfaces differently.
>
>interface Loopback 0
>  ip address 26.26.26.26 255.255.255.0
>
>or
>
>interface Loopback 0
>  ip address 29.29.29.29 255.255.255.255
>
>
>Is there a subtle but important difference between a /24 subnet
>mask and a /32 subnet mask? When and why do you prefer one over
>the other?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Lesly Verdier




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CIT test [7:71134]

2003-06-23 Thread Mike Momb
To all,

I have a friend who is going to take his CIT test on Friday.  He has studied
the Cisco press CIT book and read it cover to cover.  He purchased the self
test software that is on Cisco's page and is averaging 80-90 on most tests. 
He would like to know how close the self tests software that Cisco
recommends is to the real thing.  Has anyone had any experience with the
Cisco self tests.  Is there any areas that he really needs to concentrate
on.  Any input would be appreciated.  This is his last test toward his
CCNP.   He is starting to stress out.

thanks
Mike




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Re: Router 827 ADSL + PIX 506 configuration [7:71059]

2003-06-23 Thread Lamy Alexandre
Because I would like pratice. I would like simulate an enterprise. 

Just for understand how is make in enterprise. I don't have 100 static IP,
but, anyway, I don't have 100 server.

Example, Internet-->Enterprise infrastructure

or

Multi-site Enterprise-->Multi-site Enterprise...


Anyway, if have 2 DNS server, and 2 Web server, and 2 authentication server,
how make NAT/PAT?




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RE: question about proxy-arp [7:71113]

2003-06-23 Thread Nikolay Abromov
arp cannot pass through serial links and when u want to ask for arp  router
behind that serial link then u set proxy-arp on ethernet and that router
reply instead router behind serial,as far as i know


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MPLS for CCIE [7:71132]

2003-06-23 Thread Swapnil Shah
Hi

Can you suggest me some URL / Books on MPLS  for Preparing for CCIE Written
Exam.

Do you need to know MPLS as a technology or required to configure MPLS based
Network / VPN... as I dont have access to equipments supporting MPLSso no
hand-on would be possible for me at this moment..

Thanks
Swapnil Shah




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Re: Question about remote telnet and NAT [7:71054]

2003-06-23 Thread Bikespace
Hi Iwan,

IP ROUTE 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 10.0.0.X

where 10.0.0.X is the inside address of your ADSL router (your gateway for
the 10.0.0.0 subnet).

Bikespace



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> Hi Bikespace,
>
> I guess i did not put a default route into the 2511...
>
> Can you give me an example ...because i think that is know that you are
> saying but i am not sure...
>
> Pls give he an example according to my provided IP address and mappings...
>
> My 2511 has the ip address of 10.0.0.99
>
> Thank you




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RE: Thank You, guys. Passed Foundation Exam.640-841 [7:71127]

2003-06-23 Thread Mwalie W
Hi Hin,

Congrats!!

Doing the Foundation exam must be challenging; you have done it so well.

Congrast!

Mwalie


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Re: netbios [7:71084]

2003-06-23 Thread jountao
Directed broadcastes are less of a burden as far as passing brodcasts for
specific apps.
indeed netbios is not routeble, to route it u use NBT or NBIPX

""Priscilla Oppenheimer""  a icrit dans le message de
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> koh jef wrote:
> >
> > hi guys,
> >
> > can netbios,using port 137, 138 and 139 be routed thru WAN ???
>
> NetBIOS uses UDP and TCP which run on top of IP, which is routable over an
> IP internetwork, including WAN links.
>
> Routers don't forward broadcasts though, by default. When NetBIOS runs
over
> UDP ports 137 and 138, a lot of it is broadcasts. You can use an IP helper
> address and udp forwarding on a router to get the router to forward those.
> That might not be such a good idea, though. It could make resources
> available across the WAN that you don't want to make available. It could
> require you to open ports on firewalls, resulting in security risks.
>
> You need take a higher-level view of what you're trying to do... Windows
> networking across an internetwork can be challenging...
>
> Priscilla




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RE: Passed BGP Beta and Switching 640-604 [7:71115]

2003-06-23 Thread Mwalie W
Grant,

Thanks for your suggestion, though I am not sure what the 350-001 exam is
all about - CCIE written?

Honestly, I doubt whether that is my goal.I will not be able to get the
necessary equipment to play with.

Also, in my country, I will be overqualified :)

That is correct: in some countries, being a CCIE means being overqualified.

In any case, I am actually already overqualified when it comes to the
company employment situation in my country; I can only work as a consultant
and/or Instructor :).

Thanks.

Mwalie




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RE: Traffic share count [7:71116]

2003-06-23 Thread Srivathsan Ananthachari
OSPF doesn't allow you to do a unequal cost load balancing .

With EIGRP , this can be achieved by using the "variance" command (
under "router eigrp" ).

The " traffic share count " value is an indicaion of how many packets
would be transmitted over the various paths ( equal cost ( in which case
it is 1:1 ) / unequal cost ).

With the use of the " variance " command in EIGRP , the router can be
made to transmit traffic in ratio proportion to the metric of the
unequal cost routes.

Please find below the copy-paste from the Cisco Site which gives more
clarity .


--

EIGRP puts up to four routes of equal cost in the routing table, which
the router then load-balances. The type of load balancing (per packet or
per destination) depends on the type of switching being done in the
router. EIGRP, however, can also load-balance over unequal cost links. 

Note: Using max-paths, you can configure EIGRP to use up to six routes
of equal cost. 

Let's say there are four paths to a given destination, and the metrics
for these paths are:

path 1: 1100 

path 2: 1100 

path 3: 2000

path 4: 4000 

The router, by default, places traffic on both path 1 and 2. Using
EIGRP, you can use the variance command to instruct the router to also
place traffic on paths 3 and 4. The variance is a multiplier: traffic
will be placed on any link that has a metric less than the best path
multiplied by the variance. To load balance over paths 1, 2, and 3, use
variance 2, because 1100 x 2 = 2200, which is greater than the metric
through path 3. Similarly, to also add path 4, issue variance 4 under
the router eigrp command. 

How does the router divide the traffic between these paths? It divides
the metric through each path into the largest metric, rounds down to the
nearest integer, and uses this number as the traffic share count. 

For this example, the traffic share counts are: 

for paths 1 and 2: 4000/1100 = 3 

for path 3: 4000/2000 = 2 

for path 4: 4000/4000 = 1 

The router sends the first three packets over path 1, the next three
packets over path 2, the next two packets over path 3, and the next
packet over path 4. The router then restarts by sending the next three
packets over path 1, and so on. 

Note: Even with variance configured, EIGRP will not send traffic over an
unequal cost path if the reported distance is greater than the feasible
distance for that particular route. 


--

Hope this clarifies .

Regards,
Srivathsan A


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Subject: Traffic share count [7:71116]


Hello friends,
  I suppose that this is an easy question, but I want to make clear it.
It is about the meaning of "traffic share count" that I can see when I
execute an "show ip route" command:

Router#sh ip route x.x.x.x
Routing entry for x.x.x.x/28
Known via "static", distance 1, metric 0 (connected)
Routing Descriptor Blocks:
* directly connected, via Serial5/0/0/1
Route metric is 0, traffic share count is 1

I guess It has something to do with load balancing, but I would
appreciate any comments about it because even when there are several
routes to the same destination I can see that the share count is 1:

Routing entry for X.X.X.X/29
  Known via "ospf 1000", distance 110, metric 20, type extern 2, forward
metric 5
  Last update from X.X.X.X on ATM0/0/0.10061, 03:52:56 ago
  Routing Descriptor Blocks:
  * Y.Y.Y.Y, from W.W.W.W, 03:52:56 ago, via ATM0/0/0.10060
  Route metric is 20, traffic share count is 1
Z.Z.Z.Z, from V.V.V.V, 03:52:56 ago, via ATM0/0/0.10059
  Route metric is 20, traffic share count is 1

How can this value be changed? It is always 1 and I would like why

Thanks all friends




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Thank You, guys. Passed Foundation Exam.640-841 [7:71127]

2003-06-23 Thread Hinwoto
hi guys,

I'd like to thank for this groups, I've been followed your discussion
And it's really useful and delightful being part of it.
I just passed foundation exam 640-841, routing - 880, switching 960, remote
940
question 110 , 40% routing, 30% switching , 30% remote

got simulation question on routing ( multi area of ospf basic
configuration )
and remote ( frame-relay traffic shapping )
Must be familiar with show of routing protocol ( ospf, eigrp, is-is , bgp )
kind of routing protocol timer..hello, dead,
knowing detail of mls, multicasting protocol, vtp mode, hsrp mac address,
stp root bridge selection
when to use cisco remote access product , isdn configuration - PRI,
triple aaa usage, x25 map, click and drag question of queueing technology..

scrutinize the detail of foundation blue print...
hands-on as much as possible.

and now I am focusing on CIT..
anyone who takes recently can share his/her experience...
any simulation question ?

cheers
hin 3/4...  :)




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Re: virtual-links over tunnel [7:71119]

2003-06-23 Thread jountao
i actually have not tried this, but, if u configure a tunnel, u don't need a
virtual link, since ur tunnel will up to the backbone, in which case direct
adjencency of the areas, but since i have not tried this, i don't know if it
works.

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> i've very simple quastion, it's there any advantages to useing tunnel than
> virtual-links in ospf network expect that tunnel can use trought stub
areas?
>
> thanks in advance.




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RE: Passed BGP Beta and Switching 640-604 [7:71115]

2003-06-23 Thread grant franklin
Hi,Mwalie

Congratulations! 

I suggest you to take 350-001 exam, I'm sure you can pass it.


Mwalie W wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Today, I have double joy :)
> 
> I today did Switching (640-604) well, getting 987/1000 to
> complete my quest for CCDP.
> 
> Then when I reached my apartment, there was a letter from Cisco
> (well, from Prometric) that I had passed BGP Beta with
> 827/1000, passing score 755. BGP was such a challenging exam
> (to me).
> 
> Now, I will begin studying MPLS and QoS to become a CCIP.
> 
> I am indebted to a few members here, especially Priscilla
> Oppenehimer, Howard Berkowitz, Cisco Nuts, Grant and many many
> others.
> 
> Later, I will ask for advice regarding what to do to become a
> network consultant :)
> 
> Mwalie
> CCDP/CCDA/CCNA/i-Net+/e-Biz+
> 
> 




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