RE: Cisco Instructor - CCNA Class [7:65742]
Robert The Cisco Academy program does a very good job of preparing instructors (and students) for CCNA. I had 15 years in data comm and networking before going for CCAI/CCNA, and had to study quite a bit to get the Cisco view of the world. Of course IOS commands are key (and becoming more important with sims) but many of the questions require students to compare/contrast multiple technologies or concepts. If nothing else, look for a local Cisco academy program (at a junior college probably) and sign up for a class. Once signed up, you have access to *ALL* of the material (all four semesters). The books are excellent references, but the e-sims are limited. Invest in either routers or a full RouterSim. If you plan to teach, you'll need a stack of routers anyway (bill them to your company). Build and troubleshoot the Semester 2 lab (five routers, plus hubs and switches), and you'll be ready to go. Good Luck. I took the CCNA after teaching 3 semesters (out of 4) plus studied the rest, and got 975 (out of 1000) on the CCNA exam. Good Luck, Don Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=65812t=65742 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Huawei routers - a.k.a. futurewei.com [7:49778]
I think that you should wait until it is actually illegal to purchase this equipment and then go on a diatribe. Until then the prospect of solid competition is good for all. Even if it does become illegal in this country you have got a hard row upstream in some Asian countries to get them to comply. Especially if the Chinese gov is involved in the project. This will eventually drive down prices of Cisco equipment either way. So it is a win win. - Original Message - From: Craig Columbus To: Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 11:57 AM Subject: Re: Huawei routers - a.k.a. futurewei.com [7:49778] Just thought I'd comment on this Let me issue a disclaimer first: I've never heard of these routers until this thread. I'm only responding to the information presented in these posts. I've been, so far, unable to verify the information presented for myself. If I'm mistaken, and the product isn't a Cisco ripoff, then I apologize. With that said: Am I the only one who finds it troubling that this company has, apparently, copied Cisco's proprietary designs and is selling them as their own? Sure they're cheaper. So is pirated software. Does it make it right to support an operation like this? These guys even ripped off Cisco's product line names. Surely there's some legal recourse for Cisco, at least in the USA. I guess I'm bothered because this group is so anti-NDA violation, anti-software piracy, etcand then when something like this comes out, no one bothers to speak up against it. In fact, people seem excited because they'll be able to put together a cheaper lab to practice for the CCIE lab. Personally, I don't see any difference between this and willingly buying / exchanging pirated software. If I discover that the claims are true, and that this company is only selling reverse-engineered Cisco products, I, for one, will not support them or their equipment. Just my opinion... Craig At 03:10 PM 7/26/2002 +, you wrote: Hi group, Huawei routers were introduced into the local market sometime in the past 2 months in an asian networking exhibition called Communicasia. That's where I met the Huawei distributor whom had volunteered to provide a demo set for me to play with (myself from an international mnc, has current projects to revamp our LAN/WAN structure) and guess what, my boss is requesting me to have a look at their routers ! The day the router came into the office, I noticed that there were no manuals provided. After meddling with the router, I believed that there was no need to request for one in the first place ! There will be no requirements to load the box with IOS, it is IOS (with a bit of differences). The whole thing was CLONED ! I'm not too sure about reversed-engineering but more on how Cisco is going to protect their market dominance. With boxes selling for 30-40% cheaper, I guess lots of ppl will be rushing off to buy it. Guess might as well I pack my bags for China to get a new set of certifications. Ron Tan Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=49827t=49778 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Proper network design? [7:49536]
I thought you said that this was a 2514. Don't they just have 10Mb Ethernet ports? Can you have sub-interfaces on a 10Mb port? Are you sure you are not using both ports on the 2514? - Original Message - From: Frank H To: Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 2:55 PM Subject: RE: Proper network design? [7:49536] Now I understand. I read a few articles on the Cisco site after searching for the term router on a stick and found a good explanation. Thanks for your help. Frank Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=49566t=49536 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Proper network design? [7:49536]
I am still lost how can a router with a 10Mb interface act as a Router on a stick? I may be missing something. Could you show us a diagram this is very interesting? How does the router know that there are two different subnets connected if you don't tell it? I think it has something to do with the router looking at the 192 subnets as one network. I bet that wouldn't act as a ROAS if you changed one of the networks to say a 10 subnet. Basically what you are saying in that if you want to route all you have to do is connect different networks to a hub, connect the hub to a single router port and then it will just start routing. I would love to see the output of that one. Are you sure that the router is doing the routing or is another device on the physical segment providing that service. I know that a host configured with the address of 10.10.0.1/16 will be able to ping a host configured as 10.10.0.100/24. I believe that something similar is going on here. Some debugs and configs would be great cause you learn something new everyday. - Original Message - From: Frank H To: Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 4:43 PM Subject: Re: Proper network design? [7:49536] Yes, I am using a 2514. It does have 2 10BaseT interfaces (through AUI adapters). I am not using subinterfaces. Both ports are used - one port goes to the Internet (for hosts that require Internet access) and the other connects directly to the 24 port hub which resides within the internal LAN. This internal LAN (network 192.168.0.0/24) can also communicate with network 192.168.2.0/24 (also connected on the hub) because the 2514 routes 192.168.2.0/24 traffic back to a cellular network host controller (192.168.0.100/24). The 2514 is acting as a regular router for Internet traffic and a router on a stick for 192.168.2.0/24 traffic. It was strange for me at first, but now I get the picture. Frank Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=49585t=49536 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT - Networkers, Orlando [7:47846]
Does someone from the Orlando area know a suitable restaurant? How about it Orlando folks? Even if you can't attend, please send suggestions privately to me. Include the restaurant phone number, if possible. I'll have my car, so transportation shouldn't be a problem. If LOTS of people show, we can always bribe a shuttle bus driver. ;) Or we can try one of the Gaylord's restaurants so we can get back to the Welcome Reception World of Solutions. As Ben suggested, let's meet at 5:00 p.m. on Monday outside the room for the CCIE Power Session. (Can someone going to the Power Session post the room, please?) I'll be taking a test which ends at 5:15 p.m., but I will try to start early. If you received this message in a bcc directly from me, I'm counting one seat for you. Everyone else, please drop me a private note if you think you'll be attending so I have an idea of the final count. Thanks Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=48236t=47846 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT - Networkers, Orlando [7:47846]
I'm interested in meeting. Does Monday evening work for those that are attending? On a side note: Anyone else driving down from Atlanta? Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 20:03:36 GMT From: Paul Borghese Subject: Re: OT - Networkers, Orlando [7:47846] Sure. I will be there. Two years ago we had a GroupStudy dinner in Orlando. Anyone else interested? Paul Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=48105t=47846 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question about OSI [7:9811]
Good Luck next week let us know how you did. You will be fine. I have found a few objectional questions from cert-zone, but they are quick to accept input and make corrections to their material where necessary or expand on why and what the thinking was behind the question. They are a dedicated group of people. You should post the question to the main [EMAIL PROTECTED] list, there are many contributers to cert-zone that regularly read the board. You can probably get the author or one of their technical reviewers to clarify the issue for you on that board. I am going to copy those groups in this response so that everyone can benefit, being that those are widely published questions in these parts. Don - Original Message - From: Marcial Rosales Garcia To: 'Donald B Johnson Jr' Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 4:32 AM Subject: RE: Question about OSI [1:9811] Hi Donald, I have been for a while because I had to leave my studying for 5-6 months. Because I am not looking just a degree or cert, because I already hold 5 years degree, I am not in a hurry to obtain the CCNA. I want to be very confident and skilled to be a real CCNA and then pass the exam. I am planning to take the exam next week, although I feel confident with many areas, sometimes I find answers to questions that screw me up. Sometimes they are questions from cisco sources, that are contridictory with the documentation or sometimes cannot see clearly that the answer is correct. The question I have posted comes from CertificationZone, most of the questions (free, because I don't pay money for questions) are correct and looks quite interesting, however, with this one I disagreed. What I understood about dumb is that you meant the question was silly or stupid, or so simple that there wan't any need to ask it. That's why I responsed I don't see (the question) so dumb. I think that certification is not any race, I think is a reward to your effort along your career. I studied pretty hard to get the JAva Certification (6 months + prof. experience), I got 91% (minimum is 54%); however, I know people who just studied 1 months (without experience) (they wanted to get at least a degree that says: I can program in java) and got 55%. Without studying, just making some mock exams you get that average, so how knowledge has this guy about java? Thank you for your response, Donald. I wish we talk in other moment. Best regards Marcial Rosales -Original Message- From: Donald B Johnson Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 26 June 2002 21:51 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Marcial Rosales Garcia Subject: Re: Question about OSI [1:9811] Marcial I don't understand the statement I don't see so dumb please clarify. You are correct hops are routers. What I meant was the question is dumb because it is worded very poorly and in my opinion the answer they are stating trsansport is incorrect. You made the statement I found a question, that is dubious at best. You should cite the source of the question when posting. You can run across an endless supply of hot-shots posting QA on the internet. Remember the question and information are only as good as the source. What I am saying is be careful, check sources, and cross reference information. You would have a hard time finding another resource talking about hop-by-hop communication at the transport layer. Also my substance reasoning is; Scenario: You are down to the last ? on your CCNA test. get it right and you pass, get it wrong and you fail. I would not want to hang my hat on that info, if the question was based around the concept of hops. By the way you have been on this group for awhile; Have you taken the test? When will you take the test? Are you a CCNA? Don I don't see so dumb, that's why I ask. I think that the devices which enable hop-by-hop communications are the router (network layer) and not the transport. Or maybe I am misunderstanding the question. I am serious, I am not joking. -Original Message- From: Donald B Johnson Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 26 June 2002 18:26 To: Marcial Rosales Garcia; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Question about OSI [1:9811] That is a really dumb question. Thank You, Donald B Johnson Jr Adelphia Telecommunications Corp. Engineering/Technical Operations Corporate Manager Technical Support Services CCNP CCDP MCSE + I P# 888-277-6872 support line Pg# 866-690-9276 pager P# 814-260-3259 office F# 814-260-3227 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Marcial Rosales Garcia To: Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 1:37 PM Subject: Question about OSI [1:9811] Hi all, I have found the following question which answer is not the one I had expected: Network. To enable hop-by-hop communications across an internetwork, you would need to install a device operating at which layer? a) Transport b
Re: DHCP question [7:47477]
I believe the DHCP server reads the giaddr field which contains the relay agents ip address. The server logicaly assumes that the host should be on the same subnet as this address and fulfills the request from a matching scope. Here is a link to the rfc ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc1541.txt don - Original Message - From: Kevin Banifaz To: Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 1:00 PM Subject: Re: DHCP question [7:47477] Yes it will be. Setup a super scope then the two remote site scopes. From: dj Reply-To: dj To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: DHCP question [7:47477] Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:39:31 -0400 Let's assume a Win2k DHCP server is set up correctly with different IP scopes for 2 remote sites. Let's also assume remote-site routers are set-up correctly with the correct IP helper-address. When remote DHCP clients start broadcasting for IP addresses at each remote site, and these broadcasts are then forwarded by the remote-site routers as unicast packets to the DHCP server, how does the DHCP server know from which scope of IP address to full-fill a DHCP client request for a given remote site. Is the information embbeded within the DHCP packet itself? thanks dj _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=47554t=47477 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Benchmark CCIE [7:47320]
Just sub public for customer in the link. Then you should be in. Don Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=47398t=47320 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: serial interface down/down or up/down [7:47101]
I would add a mismatch encap to that list. HDLC on one side and PPP on the other with show up/down. Don - Original Message - From: Tim Potier To: Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:15 AM Subject: Re: serial interface down/down or up/down [7:47101] I have found a good bit of conflicting information on the causes of down/down and up/down. All agree that down/down can be caused by: 1. no cable connection 2. CSU/DSU powered down Some other reasons, although not consistently referenced in the literature are: 1. Faulty cable (may also cause up/down) 2. csu/dsu failure (not specify hardware or software)(may also cause up/down) 3. router serial int hardware problem 4. a DCE router interface will be down/down if DTR is not raised by the DTE device There are a plethora of reasons for up/down Not sure this clarifies, but hope it helps some Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=47137t=47101 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco LRE ( Long Reach Ethernet ) [7:30553]
Yeah chuck: We have been looking into this for some time, Cisco has you thinking it's new but it aint. You use existing phone jacks and wiring and a little box figures it all out. One freq for data one for voice on the same wire. There is a standard called home-phone/rf (or some such thing I forget) I could get the name if you want. The driving datalink for us is DOCSIS to the MDU or Institution or even a SFD (single family dwelling w/multiple connections) but then what to do to reach the cpe, options are; Extend the HFC to the set-top (ie. cable TV). NAAA Wireless through the facility. Well maybe, we'll see I think dinosaurs have blue-teeth but c'mon 802.11 Use existing phone wiring.I like! (without affecting existing voice calls (and run data and voice simultaneous)) (LRE) To: Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 11:11 AM Subject: OT: Cisco LRE ( Long Reach Ethernet ) [7:30553] Is it slow at work today or what? I was browsing CCO and ran across something called long reach ethernet http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/ts_122701.html http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/779/servpro/solutions/long_ethernet/ lots more. Interesting product and market. Interesting, because on the surface, it doesn't seem like it would be less expensive than re-wiring, but if one looks at someplace like a hotel, where ripping walls out to string a new wiring infrastructure would be exceedingly disruptive, it makes sense. Anyone looked into this? done it? this appears to be a very new product to Cisco. the web docs are dated within the last few weeks. Chuck Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=30583t=30553 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Practical Studies by Cisco Press [7:30243]
IS-IS, BGP, IPSEC - Original Message - From: Kevin Wigle To: Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 9:54 AM Subject: Re: CCIE Practical Studies by Cisco Press [7:30243] perhaps that's why it is Volume 1 ??? anyone hear about when Volume 2 will be out ?? Kevin Wigle - Original Message - From: Steven A. Ridder To: Sent: Friday, 28 December, 2001 10:59 Subject: Re: CCIE Practical Studies by Cisco Press [7:30243] Looking at the table of contents, there's no BGP. Table of Contents I: Modeling the Internetwork 1: The key components for modeling an internetwork II: Modeling Local Area Networks, LANS 2: Identifying and configuring the key components for modeling LANs III: Connecting LANS with Wide Area Networks, WANS 3: WAN protocols and Technologies: HDLC 4: WAN protocols and Technologies: PPP 5: WAN protocols and Technologies: Frame Relay 6: WAN protocols and Technologies: Voice Over X 7: WAN protocols and Technologies: ISDN 8: WAN protocols and Technologies: ATM IV: Routing Protocols; Providing Transport for Data from One Network to the Next 9: Distance Vector Protocols: RIP and RIP II 10: Distance Vector: IGRP 11: Hybrid: EIGRP 12: Link State Protocols: OSPF V: Configuring and Transporting Other Network Protocols 13: Bridging non-routable protocols and Data Link Switching Plus VI: Controlling Networks and Network Access 14: Mastering Access Lists VII: Enhanced Network Protocols; The Quick and Dirty Feature Sets 15: Configuring NAT 16: Using HSRP 17: Configuring NTP 18: Final Practice Labs Appendix A: Route Maps Appendix B: ISDN Cause codes Appendix C: RFC List Appendix D: ISO Model Appendix E: Common Cable types and pinouts John Neiberger wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I know this just came out recently but I'm wondering if any of you have it yet? I don't know why I'm asking now since my copy will be here tomorrow. :-) I'm just curious to see if anyone else has had a chance to crack its pages yet. John Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=30370t=30243 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Practical Studies by Cisco Press [7:30243]
I just got one from walmart for 52.50$ !www.walmart.com Don - Original Message - From: juno vtv To: Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 5:36 PM Subject: RE: CCIE Practical Studies by Cisco Press [7:30243] I've looked on bookpool.com and cannot find it. Is there another place that will sell it for less than Amazon.com? -junovtv Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=30365t=30243 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Virtual Study Groups [7:30295]
Yo count me in - Original Message - From: Tel Khan To: Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 12:43 PM Subject: RE: Virtual Study Groups [7:30295] Great idea!count me in i'm also going for my routing. regards Tehlet Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=30392t=30295 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is there a time limited for taking all the CCN [7:30205]
Bummer, mine is good for three years. Don - Original Message - From: Patrick Zhou To: Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 9:02 PM Subject: RE: Is there a time limited for taking all the CCNP ex [7:29452] Hi Godswill, Thank you very much! Your answer is very clear! From your mail, I learned: 1. The CCNP's expiration is two years. 2. We can write CCNP V2 exams and CCNP v3 exams mixed, but we can only get the CCNP V2 certification. 3. After we get CCNP V2 certification, we can upgrade to V3 with an upgrade exam. Is it all I should know? Thanks again for your kindness!! Regards, Patrick -Original Message- From: Godswill HO [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 2:02 PM To: Patrick Zhou; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Is there a time limited for taking all the CCNP ex [7:29449] Hi Patrick, In respective of the date you started any of your CCNP or CCDP track, you are certified on the very date you wrote the last exam in each of the serials. eg If I write Routing 2.0 on 1/1/2001 and wrote the other two any date in between, but for one reason or the other I now write the last exam say CIT 3.0 on 1/1/2003. You will become CCNP on 1/1/2003 ie if you passed CIT 3.0 and the two years expiration of your certicate start counting from 1/1/2003 not 1/1/2001 when you first wrote the exam. However, you might be having a problem if the course you are yet to write get upgraded, it means, you probably are going to buy new books, look for new exam scenerios, would not have a familar exam format and all that. Apart from that, you will still be on course. If for example one of the exams you have written got upgraded before you complete all four, you are not required to go back and write that exam again, you have passed it already and it still count towards your credit. Another thing you also have to bear in mind is that, Cisco normally upgrade the whole certificate at interval of times, eg the current CCNA v2 was upgraded June 2000 from v1. I donot know the current version of CCNP we have now, assuming it is version 2, and you were not able to upgrade before say version 3 came up, You will still have the version 2 exams available for you to write at the end of the day, you will have CCNP v2 for you to get CCNP v3, you have to write just one upgrade exam and that is all., so your CCNP v2 by that exam would be upgraded to CCNP v3. Good luck Regards. Oletu - Original Message - From: Patrick Zhou To: Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 7:51 PM Subject: RE: Is there a time limited for taking all the CCNP ex [7:29449] Thanks for your reply! You meant, CCNA had 3 years to expire, but CCNP had only 2 years, right? Oh! I never knows that, I had thought that expiration of CCNP was also 3 years!! But how comes, if I start my ccnp exam in 2002, while the exams will be upgraded in 2003? Would I have only 1 year time to finished all my ccnp exams? Even I pass, will my certifications be retired after 2003's ccnp exam upgrade? It's quite a confused question... thanks again for your kindness reply! Regards, Patrick MCSE, MCDBA, CCNA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Nick S. Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 10:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Is there a time limited for taking all the CCNP ex [7:29375] Well, the 2 yr. limit exists because the certification itself expires in 2 yrs. So if u begin ur ccnp today by going for 1 of the tests, the new version of that test usually comes out in 2 yrs time, by which if u have or have not finished ur ccnp, ur certification has retired. Nick _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=30205t=30205 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
how to disable NAT in PIX firewall (both insid [7:29408]
David, make sure that you don't have the following line in you PIX config. I had a summary problem with a PIX 501 with 6.1 IOS, only I wanted to use NAT. I had private workstations that could not get out to the Internet unless PAT was enabled, NAT would not work. After spend 4 hours on the Phone with Cisco support, we discovered that this line shouldn't be in the configuration unless you are using PAT. It was placed on the PIX as part of the default configuration. sysopt noproxyarp outside - Original Message - From: David Tran To: Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 16:13 Subject: how to disable NAT in PIX firewall (both inside an [7:29303] Why it is not working is a mystery to me. I have a workstation on the same network as the outside interface, the workstation has an IP address of 66.61.46.150 with the default gateway points to 66.61.46.254. Guess what, the workstation can get to the Internet just fine but workstation on the inside interface can not. Strange thing is that the pix can ping the Internet (4.2.2.2) as well. Any more ideas. Thanks. Donald R. Queen CCA,CCNA,MCSE,CNE5 Baker Robbins Company Technology Consultants Knowledge, Solutions, Partnership [EMAIL PROTECTED] 713.840.0510 This transmission and all attachments are the copyrighted materials of Baker Robbins Company. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=29662t=29408 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mask in L3 Packet [7:29182]
If the sending host strips the netmask how does the gateway know which route to use. - Original Message - From: Tangled Up in Blue To: Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 5:49 AM Subject: RE: Mask in L3 Packet [7:29182] sorry for the double post, and i meant to say that If it sees by the subnet mask that this address is not local, it strips the MAC info and the netmask and forwards the packet to the default gateway. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=29253t=29182 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PayPal Scam [7:28519]
Actually I have bought and paid for everything with paypal. Oh that is my ccie lab I'm talking about, so I think it is relevant. - Original Message - From: Jonathan Hays To: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 8:59 AM Subject: Re: PayPal Scam [7:28519] Jason wrote: Found this on one of the newsgroup... Might be good to forward this to your friends. I encounter the same problem and thought I was the only one until I saw the following Do a search on Google, etc about Paypal scam and you will see a few other similar sites !! Be WARNED. -- BREAKING NEWS ABOUT PAYPAL SCAM! IF YOU HAVE AN ACCOUNT WITH PAYPAL YOU MAY WANT TO READ THIS BREAKING NEWS FROM.ZDNET, CNN AND THE NEWYORK TIMES. CLICK ON THE LINK http://www.paypalwarning.com/Default.htm I disagree with your need to post this. This is a Cisco study newsgroup and frankly I personally would prefer not to see any way off-topic messages posted. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=28758t=28519 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need BCRAN latest Dumps! [7:28236]
Actually Woman is not from the root man, it is actually a contraction of two words. A buddy and I were sitting on a rock there in the cave, and this girl came by, I was peroccupied with... like... basic cave man stuff, but alas my buddy a true buddy alerted me with a Whoa Man. That just got contracted up the next time. woman is good, that is a story for another day. Don - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 12:11 PM Subject: Re: Need BCRAN latest Dumps! [7:28236] I disagree Priscilla, a girl above 18 years should be politely addressed as a lady, the eviable title WOMAN is reserved only for the lady that is under a MAN. Do not hastely overlook the suffix ---MAN, when writing WOMAN. If they are many then they would be called WOMEN still from the root word MEN. Regards. oletu - Original Message - From: Tom Lisa To: Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 9:27 PM Subject: Re: Need BCRAN latest Dumps! [7:28236] I knew we were going to get in trouble with this thread! One of these days I going to have to learn to listen to my better judgement. Oh, what the hell, I'm too old to start using better judgement this late in life. Besides, if I had when I was young I would have missed a whole lot of fun. Prof. Tom Lisa, CCAI Community College of Southern Nevada Cisco Regional Networking Academy Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote: What would a girl be doing at a college? Must be a child genius. Asking her to do something other than go to the library or study would be illegal. ;-) The correct word for a female human above the age of 18 is WOMAN and don't forget that. Priscilla At 02:46 PM 12/7/01, Tom Lisa wrote: That's what we get for teaching Cisco. Btw, when I first saw this the punch line was Would you study? Prof. Tom Lisa, CCAI Community College of Southern Nevada Cisco Regional Networking Academy Logan, Harold wrote: For some reason that hasn't happened to me yet. I must be teaching the wrong classes ;) -Original Message- From: anil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 8:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Need BCRAN latest Dumps! [7:28236] There was a girl who walked into the professor's office 1 day before the finals. Professor, I'll do anything, just ANYthing you want if I could just pass that exam of yours tomorrow she said in her sweetest voice. Anything? asked the professor.. Sure, I'll do JUST ANY thing, she said putting his hand on her thigh. Well that's wonderful he replied... You have a lot of work to catch up on and only 24 hours left to do it, why don't you run to the library before it closes -Anil Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=28760t=28236 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Serial Line is up and line protocol is up ANSW [7:27930]
Yeah if you inverse arp and you change the ip address on one end, the circuit will stay up, lmi will function, but you will not transfer data. - Original Message - From: MADMAN To: Donald Cc: Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 2:36 PM Subject: Re: Serial Line is up and line protocol is up ANSW [7:27930] Yup, up and up, you got LMI between you and the switch not an active PVC. Dave Donald wrote: Not necessarily you can have a frame connection in an up/up state and not transfer data can't you. - Original Message - From: Gregg Malcolm To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 12:01 PM Subject: RE: Serial Line is up and line protocol is up ANSW [7:27930] Anil, I'm sorry, my explaination wasn't very good. The answer can't be B since you have no information saying data is being sent and received. The answer A does fit since a frame relay connection is active if int status is UP/UP. As far as the 2nd part, AFAIK not every encap uses keepalives. Frame Relay is somewhat special in that an UP/UP status really means that data COULD be xfer'ed. The case of the broken remote CSU/DSU does not fit this scenarios since keepalives would not be received. The question seems geared toward trying to trick the engineer into thinking that data is being xfered vs. could be. Many encap use keepalives. A few are F/R, ATM, PPP and HDLC (PPP uses an echo). Not sure if all do (probably not). Hope that helps. -- David Madland Sr. Network Engineer CCIE# 2016 Qwest Communications Int. Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 612-664-3367 Emotion should reflect reason not guide it Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=28061t=27930 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can someone tell me what this spoofing below m [7:28115]
If you use a interface as a backup doesn't it spoof. - Original Message - From: Stefan Dozier To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 11:29 AM Subject: RE: Can someone tell me what this spoofing below means? [7:28101] Think of the definition of spoof - deception, lying, hoaxing, etc...etc... Now to quote from the CiscoPress CIT book, pgs 495-496. What spooofing does is lie to Layer 3 DDR so that a routing entry will be maintained in the router. Having this routing entry enables DDR to wake and trigger a call to the ISDN network when user traffic requires the connection. Notes of interest: Line protocol is up (spoofing) is D channel information that the interface alleges to be up. Spoofing does not necessarily mean the the D channel is up. In fact, there may be no line on the interface. end quote: HTH Stefan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bob Perez Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 1:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Can someone tell me what this spoofing below means? [7:28092] PX-VER-DE-RTR#sh int bri0/0 BRI0/0 is up, line protocol is up (spoofing) Hardware is PQUICC BRI with U interface Internet address is 128.121.22.145/30 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=28115t=28115 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Serial Line is up and line protocol is up ANSW [7:27930]
Not necessarily you can have a frame connection in an up/up state and not transfer data can't you. - Original Message - From: Gregg Malcolm To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 12:01 PM Subject: RE: Serial Line is up and line protocol is up ANSW [7:27930] Anil, I'm sorry, my explaination wasn't very good. The answer can't be B since you have no information saying data is being sent and received. The answer A does fit since a frame relay connection is active if int status is UP/UP. As far as the 2nd part, AFAIK not every encap uses keepalives. Frame Relay is somewhat special in that an UP/UP status really means that data COULD be xfer'ed. The case of the broken remote CSU/DSU does not fit this scenarios since keepalives would not be received. The question seems geared toward trying to trick the engineer into thinking that data is being xfered vs. could be. Many encap use keepalives. A few are F/R, ATM, PPP and HDLC (PPP uses an echo). Not sure if all do (probably not). Hope that helps. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=28010t=27930 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Using TFTP and Notepad for CCIE Lab [7:27793]
I would dump the tftp server worries and just use a text editor you are comfortable with. Don - Original Message - From: Wilson, Christian To: Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 4:50 AM Subject: Using TFTP and Notepad for CCIE Lab [7:27793] I read about a lot of people using a text editor and tftp to create and manipulate their configurations to save time on the CCIE Lab exam. I understand the benefits of using this technique, but sometimes it seems as if it takes quite a while for me to set up the required routing to reach all of my routers via tftp. My real question concerns the use of a terminal server in this situation. I do not have a terminal server, but my understanding is that you telnet to the terminal server, which in turn has reverse telnet connections to each routers console port. If I was connected to the terminal server via a PC that had tftp server software installed, is there an easy way to use the reverse telnet connection to each router for the tftp file transfer? If not, would I have to have a tftp server connected to one router's Ethernet, and then set up routing to that ethernet's subnet on each router? I am trying to invision how this technique would save time in the lab if a tftp server is not readily available on a subnet common to all devices in the rack. I know a router can be configured as a tftp server, but I believe that it can only answer requests and can not be copied to. Any help would be greatly appreciated as I sit the lab on Feb 1 and I would like to develop some solid time-saving techniques. Thank you! Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=27805t=27793 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Little OT: Re: 2511 Async [7:27749]
Another work around for short octal cables is. Ethernet line extenders and a straight through cat5. I used to have my lab stacked on top of each other now it is spread out nice. Don - Original Message - From: Daniel Cotts To: Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 4:37 PM Subject: RE: 2511 Async [7:27749] It uses rolled cables. New ones ship with green colored flat cables. The great part is that you can easily create your own custom length cables. -Original Message- From: Dave Luancing [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 5:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 2511 Async [7:27749] I am getting a 2500 Async router with the built in Async ports (RJ45). Does anyone know, do I use a straight thru cable or cisco rolled cable to speak to other cisco routers? I have previously only worked with the Octel cables. I also will be configuring this to speak to a modem bank, has anyone had experience with this... Is there configuration that needs to be done on the modem bank side. The router will be configured to support remote nodes. - Dave __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=27797t=27749 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: /31 subnet. [7:27742]
Network and broadcast address not needed on p-to-p links. - Original Message - From: VoIP Guy To: Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 5:32 AM Subject: Re: /31 subnet. [7:27742] Maybe I'm missing something, but there are only 2 useable addresses in a /30, and only 2 interfaces participating in a point-to-point link, so how are there 50% of the addresses wasted. Steve MADMAN wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Point to point connections, with a /30 you waste 50% of the avaivalable addresses. Dave Nicolas FEVRIER wrote: Hi group, I'm puzzled by the use of /31 subnets... Anybody can explain me the benefits of such a subnet on an interface ? Thanxx. Nicolas. -- David Madland Sr. Network Engineer CCIE# 2016 Qwest Communications Int. Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 612-664-3367 Emotion should reflect reason not guide it Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=27813t=27742 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: /31 subnet. [7:27742]
You gotta have the right code. - Original Message - From: VoIP Guy To: Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 6:44 AM Subject: Re: /31 subnet. [7:27742] It doesn't work in Cisco routers. Carroll Kong wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Law of subnets is a tradeoff. Bigger subnets, have higher efficiency, at the cost of bigger broadcast domains. Smaller subnets have abysmal efficiency, at the benefit of smaller broadcast domains. /31 is a new RFC proposed rule which eliminates the loss of effiency of 50% to.. 0%. /30 has 2 usable addresses but loses 2 for broadcast and network. So, you need 4 ips to make the subnet, but you only can use 2. 50% efficiency. /31 is going to let you take 2, and use 2, and ignore the broadcast and network need. This is ideal for point to point. At 08:32 AM 11/30/01 -0500, VoIP Guy wrote: Maybe I'm missing something, but there are only 2 useable addresses in a /30, and only 2 interfaces participating in a point-to-point link, so how are there 50% of the addresses wasted. Steve MADMAN wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Point to point connections, with a /30 you waste 50% of the avaivalable addresses. Dave Nicolas FEVRIER wrote: Hi group, I'm puzzled by the use of /31 subnets... Anybody can explain me the benefits of such a subnet on an interface ? Thanxx. Nicolas. -- David Madland Sr. Network Engineer CCIE# 2016 Qwest Communications Int. Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 612-664-3367 Emotion should reflect reason not guide it -Carroll Kong Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=27831t=27742 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: /31 subnet. [7:27742]
Chuck what is the benefit of a broadcast on a p-to-p link. all stations are gonna answer anyway. i.e. the station on the other side of the p-to-p link. - Original Message - From: Mcfadden, Chuck To: Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 8:44 AM Subject: RE: /31 subnet. [7:27742] Sure, but then what are your network and broadcast addresses? ccie1ab -Original Message- From: MADMAN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 6:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: /31 subnet. [7:27742] Point to point connections, with a /30 you waste 50% of the avaivalable addresses. Dave Nicolas FEVRIER wrote: Hi group, I'm puzzled by the use of /31 subnets... Anybody can explain me the benefits of such a subnet on an interface ? Thanxx. Nicolas. -- David Madland Sr. Network Engineer CCIE# 2016 Qwest Communications Int. Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 612-664-3367 Emotion should reflect reason not guide it Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=27852t=27742 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: advice on CCNP exams [7:26850]
Yeah but guess what happens when you go to the lab for a spin. The proctor sees that you were a Landscape Engineer (mowed lawns) six months ago, and they give you the lab that makes you configure BGP in 3-D with the undocumented feature set. Imagine the fright that comes over you in the lab, and how silly you look with those glasses on. So I always answer that I invented the Internet and the only reason why I am taking the test is for a friend. Don - Original Message - From: VoIP Guy To: Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 12:19 PM Subject: Re: advice on CCNP exams [7:26850] I always say I am changing careers, never seen a router, have no certs, etc. Some people have told me they swear that if you say you are the man on that survey, they really make the test harder. I'm afraid to find out myself :) Scott Nawalaniec wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... VoIP Guy has brought up a very good question. I wouldn't think the questions in the beginning asking for background information and so forth would affect the difficulty of test. Why would they ask you this information every time? But I think it affects the difficulty of the test. Call me crazy, but I have answered the questions sometimes falsely, to see if I get easier or harder questions and I haven't come to a conclusion. I hope it doesn't affect it, but weirder things happen. I like to say that is my 0010 cents. =) Scott Scott Nawalaniec Telecomm Network Administrator CCNP, CCDP, CCNA, CCDA, CNA, MCP, Network+ -Original Message- From: VoIP Guy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 11:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: advice on CCNP exams [7:26850] Just did one to see and they are just as easy as always. Nothing changed yet. Off topic: Is it just me and my superstitions, or does any one else feel that the survey before each test on how many certs you have, experience you have, etc., changes the difficulty on the test based on how well you say you know the stuff, number of yearsd in, etc,.? Also, what would happen if you said no the the NDA before the test? Does it boot you off and send you home $125 poorer? Brian wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... For all those people who are starting CCNP, I have some advice for you. Dont be discouraged by all the people telling you they got a 990 on every exam. That was then, and this is now. I new price of 125 (Nov 11th) for test indicates that things have changed very much. I say this because Cisco states the 125 is for the cost of changing the exams. I have just heard from friends that took it and that alot of their friends are failing. I have failed CCNP Routing as well just recently. The number of CCNPs has increased this year, by 100% since the following year, I think that trend is coming to a screaching halt. How to study, it should be common sense, which i dont have much of :) Print out the study guideline from Cisco, and know everything they mention forwards and backwards. Obviously OSPF, BGP. If you have any study guides, dont really put much stock in them there not worth 2c anymore. I suggest exam cram for a basic idea of what its about, and cisco press to look up the things that are hard to understand. And maybe sybex if you want to read the entire book :) I think some of the questions on Boson go overboard, but that might be what you need. I guess it cant hurt to know too much. Boson is now only good for learning what type of questions are on the exam, not THE actual questions on the exam anymore. Brian Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=26989t=26850 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE One Day Lab FAIL [7:27079]
Actually you don't waste any time and actually in the long run you will definitely save time. You can write them once on a note pad and then paste them into each router. The one that kills me is going into router config, there is not a shortcut/tab for router so a alias config ro router ospf, copied into each box is gold. ro 5 gets you there, ospf process 5 and I think you are going to have to enter an ospf routing process numerous times rr router rip ri router igrp re router eigrp rb router bgp dpp debug ip packet dpr debug ip route dpc debug ip icmp sir sh ip route - my fav cir clear ip route * the list goes on. ok another one for us in the fat finger club, you know how many times I have typed sh fran map and got churped at by the IOS. Now one alias exec sfm sh fram m pasted into every router gets it done sfp - show fram pvc there is a comprehensive list of alias' is the archives if you are into it I would check it out for ideas. On the subject of notepad, another technique that I have found really useful for learning the IOS. By reading an objective and instead of satisfy the objective using the console and the tab and ? keys. I like to write the config in notepad and then paste it in. Give it a try, example would be bring up a atm connection between RouterA and RouterB bring up an ISDN connection between RouterB and RouterC add a loopback on each router ip all interfaces turn of cdp enable an OSPF process on each router Simple things like this take on a new meaning when it is just you and the notepad. The fun really starts when you get errors and have to think them through. Then fix them in notepad and rerun the config. When you get it done error free it is a good feeling. Don ps I would like to do the lab in notepad and three key aliases exclusivley, but I think I set my sights too high on that one. - Original Message - From: Courtney Alexander Foster To: Bryan Ginman ; Joseph Ezerski ; McCallum, Robert ; 'Ccielab' (E-mail) ; Cisco@Groupstudy. Com (E-mail) ; George ; Kev ; kevin ; sandra ; sandra1 ; Warren Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 12:54 PM Subject: RE: CCIE One Day Lab FAIL You would have to waste a lot of time setting aliases on all the routers C. A. Foster Sr. Network Engineer x5910 -Original Message- From: Bryan Ginman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 2:27 PM To: Courtney Alexander Foster; Joseph Ezerski; McCallum, Robert; 'Ccielab' (E-mail); Cisco@Groupstudy. Com (E-mail); George; Kev; kevin; sandra; sandra1; Warren Subject: RE: CCIE One Day Lab FAIL Aliases are a God send for all you slow of fingers out there. ex. alias exec g sho ip int brief typing g will now issue show ip int brief to the cli Cheers, Bryan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Courtney Alexander Foster Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 2:13 PM To: Joseph Ezerski; McCallum, Robert; 'Ccielab' (E-mail); Cisco@Groupstudy. Com (E-mail); George; Kev; kevin; sandra; sandra1; Warren Subject: RE: CCIE One Day Lab FAIL I don't type that fast...but I am trying to master the short version of the commands...but commands like sh ip int br messes me up on routers with BRI interfaces C. A. Foster Sr. Network Engineer x5910 -Original Message- From: Joseph Ezerski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 12:15 PM To: 'McCallum, Robert'; ''Ccielab' (E-mail)'; 'Cisco@Groupstudy. Com (E-mail)'; 'George'; 'Kev'; 'kevin'; 'sandra'; 'sandra1'; 'Warren' Subject: RE: CCIE One Day Lab FAIL For those that finished with an hour or so to spare, do you mind posting what your estimated typing speed is? I know it sounds funny, but I work with someone who can type 120 words a minute and it seems to make all the difference in a tight time situation like the lab. Thanks in advance, -Joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of McCallum, Robert Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 5:45 AM To: 'Ccielab' (E-mail); Cisco@Groupstudy. Com (E-mail); George; Kev; kevin; sandra; sandra1; Warren Subject: CCIE One Day Lab FAIL O.k. I sat the exam last week and failed but by not a lot. Silly mistakes killed me. For those of you who have still to experience the one day lab then please read ahead. Mostly everyone on this list stated that there was no time to do the lab or check anything. I found this to be so untrue it was unreal. Most people on the lab finished with an hour to go and I had more time than this to check and try to get the annoying things that didn't work to work (although I failed to get two things working)... So from that, my advice is if you are stuck on something, move on and work your way through the workbook. Once you get to the end you should have plenty time to fix (if you can) the problems you left. From my experience of Brussels everything was there. The proctors turned
Re: Starting CCNP [7:26734]
Larry Thank you very much for saving us from ourselves. I was just getting ready to run with scissors. - Original Message - From: Puckette, Larry (TIFPC) To: Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 10:07 AM Subject: RE: Starting CCNP [7:26734] Syed, DUCK!!! NOW!!! You are most likely going to get bombarded with emails with abusive tones telling you to look at the archives before asking questions. You'll notice that none of them will tell you how to get to the archives though. Larry Puckette Network Analyst CCNA,MCP,LANCP Temple Inland [EMAIL PROTECTED] 512/434-1838 -Original Message- From: Syed Raza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 11:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Starting CCNP [7:26734] Hi Guys, I am new to this site but after taking the glance at the site. I think I have lot of smart people to help me thru this CCNP journey. Well I wanna know what are the best resourses out there that i can use for my CCNP. Plus if anyone of you have sample questions and practise tests that I could use to start my process, that would be very helpful. Looking forward to see your advise. Thanks. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=26750t=26734 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab procedures [7:26002]
James Don't take this the wrong way but if you are worried about whether the configs are on the router or not, save your money. A little advice learn every command; go to CCO and pull up the IOS command and config guides and have at it. Start with getting the data-link going then move on to network layer. An example would be RIP, there are 17 commands in the 12.0 command guide. You should learn the who, what, where, when, and how of each command to the point that you could create a solution to any sceniaro in a text pad, then just paste it into your routers. When you got this under your belt move on to IGRP, when you got IGRP under your belt move on to mixing a RIP process with an IGRP process, when you get this under your belt move on to mixing a RIP process and a IGRP process and running it on top of ISDN. when you get this under your belt move on to mixing a RIP process and a IGRP process and running it on top of ISDN and Frame Relay. Are we seeing a pattern here, now start over with OSPF. You got to own these commands, remember we are doing all this in text pad. The chance of passing goes down proportionally with the number of question marks you enter into the router. Thats JMO, I don't think they track that stuff. Don - Original Message - From: James To: Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 1:42 PM Subject: CCIE Lab procedures [7:26002] Hello, I am curious to as how the CCIE lab experience is like. I am aware as this question does not violate NDA as I am not asking specific questions on the lab. For the one day lab, what do the candidate have to do when starting ? Load config files on various routers or config from scratch or ??? I don't seem to be able to find out how it goes so anyone with experience taking the lab, any comments on your experience is greatly appreciated. Thanks James __ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=26113t=26002 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RIP default-metric question [7:25933]
I have a RIP process running on my three routers. here is the connection --r1-r3-r2- r1 and r3 are running version 2 r2 is running version 1 I have a default-metric of 5 configured under r3's RIP process. Here is the problem; Two of the networks (20.0.0.0 and 12.0.0.0) in r1's table have a metric of 5, one network (210.1.1.0) has a metric of one. I thought that you use default-metric with the redistribute command to set a metric and use an offset-list when passing routes that are part of the same domain. The question is, why does network 12.0.0.0 and 20.0.0.0 have a metric of five on r1 and why doesn't the network (210.1.1.0) also have a metric of 5 like the other two networks? Anybody know this one? Below is a config, route table and a debug of the rip process for r3 and r1. r3#s Building configuration... Current configuration: ! version 11.1 service udp-small-servers service tcp-small-servers ! hostname r3 ! enable secret 5 $1$5w1e$zSVDgD18hiUshKj.eS5jM. enable password root ! ip subnet-zero no ip domain-lookup ! key chain time key 1 key-string up ! controller T1 1/0/0 ! controller T1 1/0/1 ! interface Loopback1 ip address 20.1.1.1 255.255.255.0 ! interface FastEthernet0/0/0 ip address 100.1.1.1 255.255.255.0 no ip route-cache distributed no ip mroute-cache ! interface Serial0/1/0 ip address 33.1.1.1 255.255.255.0 ip rip authentication mode md5 ip rip authentication key-chain time no ip route-cache distributed no ip mroute-cache bandwidth 56 ! interface Serial0/1/1 ip address 133.1.1.1 255.255.255.0 no ip route-cache distributed no ip mroute-cache bandwidth 1544 ! interface Serial0/1/2 ip address 210.1.1.1 255.255.255.0 no ip route-cache distributed no ip mroute-cache bandwidth 56 clockrate 56000 ! interface Serial0/1/3 ip address 11.1.1.1 255.255.255.0 no ip route-cache distributed no ip mroute-cache bandwidth 56 clockrate 56000 ! interface TokenRing1/1/0 no ip address no ip route-cache distributed no ip mroute-cache shutdown ! interface TokenRing1/1/1 no ip address no ip route-cache distributed no ip mroute-cache shutdown ! interface TokenRing1/1/2 no ip address no ip route-cache distributed no ip mroute-cache shutdown ! interface TokenRing1/1/3 no ip address no ip route-cache distributed no ip mroute-cache shutdown ! interface ATM2/0/0 ip address 13.1.1.1 255.255.255.0 no ip route-cache distributed no ip mroute-cache map-group 2 atm pvc 1 1 32 aal5snap ! interface FastEthernet2/1/0 ip address 12.1.2.1 255.255.255.0 no ip route-cache distributed no ip mroute-cache ! interface ATM3/0/0 ip address 12.1.1.1 255.255.255.0 no ip route-cache distributed no ip mroute-cache map-group 1 atm clock INTERNAL atm pvc 1 1 33 aal5snap ! router rip version 2 timers basic 5 15 15 30 network 12.0.0.0 network 20.0.0.0 network 33.0.0.0 network 210.1.1.0 default-metric 5 ! ip classless ! ! map-list 1 ip 12.1.1.2 atm-vc 1 broadcast ! map-list 2 ip 13.1.1.2 atm-vc 1 broadcast logging buffered access-list 1 permit 210.1.1.0 0.0.0.255 ! line con 0 exec-timeout 0 0 line aux 0 line vty 0 4 password root login ! end r3#sir Codes: C - connected, S - static, I - IGRP, R - RIP, M - mobile, B - BGP D - EIGRP, EX - EIGRP external, O - OSPF, IA - OSPF inter area E1 - OSPF external type 1, E2 - OSPF external type 2, E - EGP i - IS-IS, L1 - IS-IS level-1, L2 - IS-IS level-2, * - candidate default U - per-user static route Gateway of last resort is not set 100.0.0.0/24 is subnetted, 1 subnets C 100.1.1.0 is directly connected, FastEthernet0/0/0 33.0.0.0/24 is subnetted, 1 subnets C 33.1.1.0 is directly connected, Serial0/1/0 R201.1.1.0/24 [120/1] via 33.1.1.2, 00:00:04, Serial0/1/0 20.0.0.0/24 is subnetted, 1 subnets C 20.1.1.0 is directly connected, Loopback1 11.0.0.0/24 is subnetted, 1 subnets C 11.1.1.0 is directly connected, Serial0/1/3 12.0.0.0/24 is subnetted, 1 subnets C 12.1.1.0 is directly connected, ATM3/0/0 133.1.0.0/24 is subnetted, 1 subnets C 133.1.1.0 is directly connected, Serial0/1/1 C210.1.1.0/24 is directly connected, Serial0/1/2 r3# r3#drp RIP protocol debugging is on r3# RIP: ignored v1 packet from 210.1.1.2 (illegal version) RIP: received packet with MD5 authentication RIP: received v2 update from 33.1.1.2 on Serial0/1/0 201.1.1.0/24 - 0.0.0.0 in 1 hops RIP: sending v2 update to 224.0.0.9 via Serial0/1/0 (33.1.1.1) 20.0.0.0/8 - 0.0.0.0, metric 5, tag 0 12.0.0.0/8 - 0.0.0.0, metric 5, tag 0 210.1.1.0/24 - 0.0.0.0, metric 1, tag 0 RIP: sending v2 update to 224.0.0.9 via Serial0/1/2 (210.1.1.1) 33.0.0.0/8 - 0.0.0.0, metric 5, tag 0 201.1.1.0/24 - 0.0.0.0, metric 2, tag 0 20.0.0.0/8 - 0.0.0.0, metric 5, tag 0 12.0.0.0/8 - 0.0.0.0, metric 5, tag 0 RIP: sending v2 update to 224.0.0.9 via ATM3/0/0 (12.1.1.1) 12.1.1.0/24 - 0.0.0.0, metric 1, tag 0 33.0.0.0/8 - 0.0.0.0, metric 5,
Re: Basic RIP problem - am I missing something? [7:25787]
What is the question. Looks like the only issue is different destinations on the echo reply. Could you send the configs - Original Message - From: Timothy Ouellette To: Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 9:17 PM Subject: Basic RIP problem - am I missing something? [7:25787] This should have been a simple rip setup that I was going to use to play around with offset-lists and stuff but it's not functioning the way I thought it would. Can you guys/gals have a look! ethernetA - Router A ===HDLC=== Router B - ethernetB router a is connected to router b with 2 serial int's running rip. The address of 10.1.1.1 is the ethernet of routerA and i'm consoled into router B. I have no ip route-cache on all the serial interface's in this setup. I've also done a sh ip cache just to make sure. lola#sh ip route Gateway of last resort is not set 10.0.0.0/24 is subnetted, 4 subnets C 10.1.3.0 is directly connected, Ethernet0 C 10.1.2.0 is directly connected, Serial0 R 10.1.1.0 [120/1] via 10.1.2.1, 00:00:05, Serial0 [120/1] via 10.1.4.1, 00:00:05, Serial1 C 10.1.4.0 is directly connected, Serial1 lola# lola#ping 10.1.1.1 Type escape sequence to abort. Sending 5, 100-byte ICMP Echos to 10.1.1.1, timeout is 2 seconds: ! Success rate is 100 percent (5/5), round-trip min/avg/max = 12/12/12 ms lola# 03:45:09: ICMP: echo reply rcvd, src 10.1.1.1, dst 10.1.2.2 03:45:09: ICMP: echo reply rcvd, src 10.1.1.1, dst 10.1.2.2 03:45:09: ICMP: echo reply rcvd, src 10.1.1.1, dst 10.1.2.2 03:45:09: ICMP: echo reply rcvd, src 10.1.1.1, dst 10.1.2.2 03:45:09: ICMP: echo reply rcvd, src 10.1.1.1, dst 10.1.2.2 lola#ping 10.1.1.1 Type escape sequence to abort. Sending 5, 100-byte ICMP Echos to 10.1.1.1, timeout is 2 seconds: ! Success rate is 100 percent (5/5), round-trip min/avg/max = 12/12/12 ms lola# 03:45:13: ICMP: echo reply rcvd, src 10.1.1.1, dst 10.1.4.2 03:45:13: ICMP: echo reply rcvd, src 10.1.1.1, dst 10.1.4.2 03:45:13: ICMP: echo reply rcvd, src 10.1.1.1, dst 10.1.4.2 03:45:13: ICMP: echo reply rcvd, src 10.1.1.1, dst 10.1.4.2 03:45:13: ICMP: echo reply rcvd, src 10.1.1.1, dst 10.1.4.2 lola#ping 10.1.1.1 Type escape sequence to abort. Sending 5, 100-byte ICMP Echos to 10.1.1.1, timeout is 2 seconds: ! Success rate is 100 percent (5/5), round-trip min/avg/max = 12/12/12 ms lola# 03:45:16: ICMP: echo reply rcvd, src 10.1.1.1, dst 10.1.2.2 03:45:16: ICMP: echo reply rcvd, src 10.1.1.1, dst 10.1.2.2 03:45:16: ICMP: echo reply rcvd, src 10.1.1.1, dst 10.1.2.2 03:45:16: ICMP: echo reply rcvd, src 10.1.1.1, dst 10.1.2.2 03:45:16: ICMP: echo reply rcvd, src 10.1.1.1, dst 10.1.2.2 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=25930t=25787 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Friday Follies Returns on Thursday - Access-li [7:25701]
You would need an access list blocking traffic going out too. In will allow traffic to cross the link but the router will drop it. I think one of Chuck's stipulations were Provide the access-list required on each router, so that BGP works, BGP neighbor relationships form, BGP routes are exchanged, but no other traffic occurs. I.e. no telnet, no ICMP, no EIGRP, no nothing. but no other traffic occurs interface ATM0 ... ip access-group 100 out ip access-group 101 in ! access-list 100 permit tcp host Router_1 eq bgp host Router_2 gt 1023 access-list 100 permit tcp host Router_1 gt 1023 host Router_2 eq bgp access-list 101 permit tcp host Router_1 eq bgp host Router_2 gt 1023 access-list 101 permit tcp host Router_1 gt 1023 host Router_2 eq bgp - Original Message - From: Sasa Milic To: Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 10:32 AM Subject: Re: Friday Follies Returns on Thursday - Access-list [7:25701] interface Ethernet0 ... ip access-group 100 in ! access-list 100 permit tcp host Router_1 eq bgp host Router_2 gt 1023 access-list 100 permit tcp host Router_1 gt 1023 host Router_2 eq bgp Similar on Router_1. Sasa Chuck Larrieu wrote: Hey you bad boys and girls! In preparing my pod for BGP access across the net, I have run into something I find fascinating. Rather than post the results, I shall instead pose this as Friday Follies on Thursday puzzle. The problem - to construct an access list such that the only thing that can happen is that BGP neighbor relationships form and BGP routes are exchanged. Hint - there appears to be a trick, if my observations are correct. I will read your replies and provide my own observations and answer when I return from my travels on Friday evening. the layout: ( not that it matters in particular ) Router_1 Router_2 | | -- ethernet ( but it works the same for serial ) Provide the access-list required on each router, so that BGP works, BGP neighbor relationships form, BGP routes are exchanged, but no other traffic occurs. I.e. no telnet, no ICMP, no EIGRP, no nothing. Extra credit if your access-lists permit only the two routers involved to engage. Have Fun Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=25708t=25701 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IP Routing Examples Book (For CCIE LAB) [7:22008]
Dahhh Pass the Lab - Original Message - From: EA Louie To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:19 PM Subject: Re: IP Routing Examples Book (For CCIE LAB) [7:22008] wow...no, because a book of that content would probably violate the Non-Disclosure Agreement with Cisco. However, there are some very good preparation books available - check out http://www.groupstudy.com/bookstore/index.html Actually, I take that back... there's an entire website devoted to just those configuration scenarios... it's at www.cisco.com in the IOS Documentation and TAC Technology and Sample Configuration pages. The question is, which of the configs does one remember for the Lab exam? (because there are quite a few of them) What's your objective...to learn the technology, or just pass the Lab Exam? -e- who hasn't figured out his true objective in life yet other than survival - Original Message - From: Ashraf Wagih To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 11:48 PM Subject: IP Routing Examples Book (For CCIE LAB) [7:22008] Hi Everyone, does any body know good books that gives only configuration examples on all topics that are covered in the CCIE LAB exams (configuration scenarios like the ones that found in the CCIE LAB exams, no/few theoritical view) Regards Ashraf Syatems Engineer CCNP Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=22211t=22008 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: smartforce training [7:21933]
Don't do it jenn - Original Message - From: Jennifer Cribbs To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 3:11 PM Subject: RE: smartforce training [7:21933] I received a phone call today from a woman named Sondra Smith who is one of their reps. She said I have dropped my name on their site. The website url is http://www.vip.smartcertify.com . Tfhe phone # she gave me is 1-800-653-4933 ext 1264. It is expensive but they have a plan that can be financed through SallyMae Loans which is sort of like a student college loan that can be repayable after you finish classes and after they place you in a job. They have 24hr support for their classes through the format of chat rooms' that are run by certified instructors that are certified in whatever cert you are currently pursuing, so you get instant replies to questions you might have through the course as you proceed forward. They send out cd's of the materials pertaining to the certs the person wants to achieve and they have job placement in whatever area you live in or where ever you choose to work. That is all I know at this point. I talked to this woman for about 1hr on the phone. It is a forced learning method, which I think is good. You can only advance through the course with satisfactory completion of each subject. You can't skip ahead is what I think this means. She called it force learning. There would be one price for the ccnp series of classes. You would receive the material for all four tests at one time. The same for the mcse and the ccna and the a+. She said they also have oracle and some other stuff which I wasn't really interested in. If you click on the link I gave you, it opens up a box wanting the sales rep name. Just type in sondra's name and then you can browse a little on their site. I sure there is more to this, but like I said, this is all I know at this point. It nearly sounded too good to be true and you know what they say about that. I was just hoping someone had some personal knowledge of this and could tell me something also. If I do proceed with this, I will let you know what I think after I have personal experience of it. It also is endorsed by cisco and microsoft.or at least she said so. I just finished putting my computer back together so I can browse back to the site now and read a little. It was maintenance day[preparing for a+] Jenn 10/3/2001 2:44:18 PM, Stull, Cory wrote: never heard of it, could you give me some more detail so I can check it out also? thanks Cory -Original Message- From: Jennifer Cribbs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 3:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: smartforce training [7:21933] Hello, I would like some feedback on smartforce training. Is anyone familiar with this? I am thinking about purchasing this curriculum and want to know if it is a waste of money or if it is something truely beneficial in obtaining your certification? Thanks, Jenn Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=22082t=21933 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Does CCIE written still have lots of Cisco command [7:22086]
See I knew eventually you'd all see things my way. Don :) Now Back to the free consulting. - Original Message - From: EA Louie To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 2:03 AM Subject: Re: Does CCIE written still have lots of Cisco command [7:22019] I'll break the NDA --- nah, don't bother studying the Cisco commands for the CCIE written...you won't need them.. I promise. (my middle name is Joe Isuzu) geez I'm cruel tonight, wonder if it has anything to do with me running out of gas on the freeway for the first time in 20 years? -e- who never met an IOS command he didn't like (except for debug ipx packet) - Original Message - From: Brad Ellis To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 10:58 PM Subject: Re: Does CCIE written still have lots of Cisco command [7:21999] Sean, I usually dont answer these types of questions nor post sarcasm on this newsgroup. However, I am going to make an exception for you. a) Anyone actually answering your question would be breaking the NDA b) If you're taking the CCIE RS written and you dont know Cisco commands, you're in trouble c) Go read Caslow and Halabi, that would be a really good start for you d) Visit: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/certifications/routing.html e) I heard they are removing the Cisco commands and replacing them with Lucent Definity PBX commands -Brad Sean Wu wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... just wonder, I think it might be testing more on theory instead of detailed command. Any ideas? _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=22086t=22086 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: TCP TURN? [7:22083]
Next time somebody uses that term why don't you ask them what they mean. And if they give you a everybody knows don't you answer, ask them what RFC that is. - Original Message - From: Ouellette, Tim To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 11:23 AM Subject: TCP TURN? [7:22083] Does anyone know what a TCP Turn is? I've heard this mentioned on a couple of conference calls i've been on lately and I can't seem to find out much information on it. Not sure if maybe it's a non-technical term used for a syn-ack type deal or what. Can anyone shed some light on this? Thanks a bunch! Tim Timothy Ouellette, Infrastructure Analyst MCSE, CCSE, CCNP/DP EDS - New Business Implementation 1075 W. Entrance Drive Auburn Hills, MI 48236 ( 01-248-754-7535 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pager 888-351-4584 www.eds.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=22098t=22083 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is the CCIE really worth it??? [7:3485]
Yeah an MCSE on every corner and 1000 Windows boxes in the building behind. I was talking to some buddies in the last big market I worked in (I live in a poh-dunk town now) and people with current Microsoft skills are very much in demand. The infrastructure guys are hurting, remember when the market went down it was the infrastructure, Internet, and Provider companies that nose-dived, the mom-an-pops with 200-500Workstations, 10 servers, a couple switches, an access router and a real non-internet related business are still going strong. They need user connectivity, (not MPLS, OC-12 or the like) they need database access, email, and system management product specialists. I think we all got caught in the Microsoft is OK but the really cool stuff is Cisco, but then we found out that buying pickles and everything else on the net wasn't flying. Yo I heard Novell is doing some really cool stuff. Reminds me of a movie where the handsome Earl Flynn was made to walk the plank by the ugly green-toothed pirates. MCSE + I - till they rip the 4.0 out of my hand. CNE 4.11 - already stripped CCN/DP - current CCIE 6/8/02 - first attempt Don - Original Message - From: ; To: ; ; Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 8:45 PM Subject: Fwd: Is the CCIE really worth it??? [7:3485] On a whim I took the CCIE written this past Saturday. Didn't pass but I do believe the exam is far to easy. YES, to easy!! I came up a couple answers short but really put no effort into preparing for the exam!! When I lost my job last year due to downsizing I weighed my options; MCSE or CCIE...finished CCNP on April 30th so I guess that tells you my choice... HOWEVER, after getting the CCNP I began doing some job hunting, EVERY potential employer wanted MCSE/MCP and didn't care one way or the other about Cisco certs. I'm 48 yrs. old and really didn't care much about the MCSE because of the perceptions you stated (an MCSE on every corner), however I read several Microsoft books this summer (NT, W2K Pro, Exchange 5.5 2000) but haven't attempted any exams. Anyway back to CCIE, aside from the CCNP studies, which I finished in the spring, I read mostly from the Cisco CD (Internetworking Technology Overview, Case Studies, Design etc) and Lou's Token Ring paper (Thank You Dennis for the TR quizzes) but DID NOT read any of the popular books i.e. Halibi, Caslow, Doyle endorsed here. I didn't read them for a reason and that was to see if I could pass WITHOUT their input and if I hadn't scr*^ewed up a couple security questions I would have passed AND THEN I would really have been PISSEDhaving a qualification to THE LAB and basically only theoretical knowledge base. I chose the CCIE route BECAUSE it was supposed to be the crown jewel of networking!!! my .02 worth Rick In a message dated 10/1/01 12:50:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agree with what you are saying, however there is a difference between having to work hard for something, and having it so that there are only 6000 of them in the world... The MCSE has lost respect within the IT industry, however if you want a serious admin job, it is the most sought after certification. The CCIE will always be a well respected certification. The fact that so few people have it is in some ways harmful because human resources departments and managers outside the tech industry haven't always heard of it. I have seen people get interviews for high level network engineering positions that were CCNAs before CCIEs got the interview. This is because HR has heard of the CCNA and doesn't know what a CCIE is... I'm not saying they should water down the test, nor do I believe they are doing so. However, I do believe that more is better to a certain degree. 6000 to 7000 CCIEs in the world is silly. There can very easily be 10 times that and the demand for certified, well trained engineers will still be there ;-) Just my opinion. Regards, -Original Message- From: Logan, Harold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 12:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Is the CCIE really worth it??? [3:3485] I disagree. I'm working towards the CCIE, and I want it to be hard. I want to have to work for it. The last CCNP exam I took was the Support/Troubleshooting exam, and I wanted my money back. The couple of hours I put into studying for it were nothing but wasted time. In any line of work, supply and demand rule the market. The more IE's there are out there, the less they'll be making. Not only that, but we lowly CCNP's and CCDP's can probably expect even less. You point out that there are way more doctors, lawyers, etc... well, there's more of a demand for doctors and lawyers. It's a simple comparison: ask yourself how many people in a given population get sick or decide to sue someone, and compare that to the number of people who need a
Re: Way OT: Interesting Date today [7:21675]
HEY jUAN I think that tin-foil is really receiving something. - Original Message - From: Juan Blanco To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 8:31 AM Subject: RE: Way OT: Interesting Date today [7:21675] John, When you said It's a palindrone! are you refering at the following: A Palindrome is a word spelled the same backwards and forwards If not please can you give more details for those who do not know what are you refering toand why it is so importantand how did you find out about those date Thanks, JB -Original Message- From: John Neiberger To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10/2/2001 10:03 AM Subject: Way OT: Interesting Date today [7:21675] 10-02-2001... It's a palindrome! When was the last date where this occurred? Here at work we think it was 08-31-1380. When will the next one be? :-) Sorry for the OT post, I just thought this was amusing. Back to the morning coffee John Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=21703t=21675 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BGP implementation project - help needed !!!!! [7:21702]
Sorry there are only Demi-Gods here. If you want links to the real gods try [EMAIL PROTECTED] My deepest heartfelt apology to the rest who suffer-through these, but this is a classic one for [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know we are all gonna learn some real world BGP multihoming here, so let's proceed. Don - Original Message - From: mailsecurite To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 10:26 AM Subject: BGP implementation project - help needed ! [7:21702] Hello, My boss ask me to conduct a BGP implementation for our site (Internet ecommerce platform with 2 ISP). I'm relatively new on that topic, so could you please help me to : 1 - construct my project plan and 2 - to made a draft of the technical implementation (I've got a lab). Experiences and god links are welcome. regards, steve. __ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=21709t=21702 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Written: autocommand [7:21721]
Yo that has been happening to me for about six years, thanks for the fix Mike. - Original Message - From: Michael Snyder To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 2:01 PM Subject: Re: CCIE Written: autocommand [7:21721] autocommand option no-hangup Will fix your problem. Not all ios's have this option. Lists Wizard wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Dear Professionals, I have tried to configure my router with autocommand as shown below. When I telnet to the router it prompt me for a password, when I enter the password the telnet connection will disconnect immediately. Have I done any mistake? What is the purpose of this command? Thanks r1-2516(config)#line vty 0 4 r1-2516(config-line)#autocommand show running-config r1-2516(config-line)# Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=21737t=21721 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Beachfront Quizzers free lab POD? [7:20353]
Yeah i e-mailed them for the IP address. They sent me a conformation letter but they forgot to send the address also. Anyone else that may be in this boat; 65.207.9.10 should get you there, can't verify this though cause my time has not yet come, but it does bring up a login prompt.. Don - Original Message - From: jap_e To: Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 8:38 PM Subject: Beachfront Quizzers free lab POD? [7:20353] I had booked a free lab POD at the www.bfq.com as suggested by somebody on this list, and when it was my time, i realised that i have no clue how to access the POD! No ip address for telnet, no information given on their site except the wiring diagram. I spend most of my first 2 hours searching for a way to telnet into their routers, and gave up in the end. Tell me, how did you (if you have tried the free lab) acccess any of the routers? Thanks for your feedback. Regards, Eve Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=20386t=20353 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 'It's not the US they want to destroy. It's our arrogance' [7:19935]
And if you say they are not gutless why don't you tell us where and when you will be, and we will see if Bush can round some dudes up and meet you there. Now that would show courage. Duck - Original Message - From: MADMAN To: Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:54 AM Subject: Re: 'It's not the US they want to destroy. It's our arrogance' [7:19820] A non-American wrote: Gutless ? What cause would you train months for with a guarantee of death or life imprisonment ? The facts as I see them are - A. the victims were blameless and deserved nothing of what they received. My heart goes out especially to the rescue crews, imagine dying trying to help! B. the organisation and commitment was amazing, in a nuclear world retaliation must be very precise and fully calculated rather than knee-jerk. Do not underestimate these people, it would be very dumb indeed to assume that they are less intelligent than yourselves. Don't think anyone rational is assuming these people are dumb. C. many reading this will not like this but the actions of the US government for decades has been in the interest of the US and much blood has been spilt by them and 3rd parties funded by them. Is the hatred you feel for your attackers of your people less valid than theirs ? What attack against these people would you find unacceptable ? The gloves are off - no ? Somebody else out there feels this against your country. The US must try and find these people to make them answer for this but must also look inwards at the same time!! priority is to stop it happening again no ? Look at the tit for tat mess Israel is in... Yes and the UK or wherever your from only has an interest in France, Germany, Ireland etc..., ya right you self rightous European can you say WWI, WWII, Crusades, etc... I'm English and for a long time American money has paid for bullets and semtex used in my country - children are dead as are many policemen not to mention the civilians popped off because they have the wrong religion. The level of ignorance in the US is truly amazing, everybody outside the US is disgusted by this act but not many are asking why, we've got a pretty good idea. Word of advice - we get CNN too and it's biased as hell, listen to the news from somewhere ANYWHERE else once in a while. I agree that CNN, Clinton News Network is biased to the liberal left and of coarse the news is aimed at Americans so I suppose it's not tailored to UK audiences, what's your point?? You can pick ANY country and find faults, we are, after all, made up of imperfect people but we are the model for freedom throughout the world and therefore a big target also. AN AMERICAN who is not AFRAID to use his name Dave A non-American -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Fenech, William J Sent: 13 September 2001 01:55 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: 'It's not the US they want to destroy. It's our arrogance' [7:19699] Don't waste your time with idiots like this (aka Reeta Sinha). The people who pulled off this gutless act, and the ones who support them should be exterminated, pure and simple. -- David Madland Sr. Network Engineer CCIE# 2016 Qwest Communications Int. Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 612-664-3367 Emotion should reflect reason not guide it Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=19935t=19935 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: TIME TO STOP RE: 'It's not the US they want to destroy. [7:19938]
I think we should take it a step further. I think we should stop giving out free consulting services we don't know who we could be aiding and abeting. Some of these names with the broken english surely show this may be the case. Someone yesterday was asking about webphones and it was from a domain with IRAN in its name. This may make sense in a few days when our boys and girls are in the field. Remember loose lips sink ships. - Original Message - From: Thad Gaston To: Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:29 PM Subject: TIME TO STOP RE: 'It's not the US they want to destroy. It's [7:19833] All and Paul As a muslim I would greatly appreciate that any further insults to the religion of Islam be refrained from this list. And as I have requested along with Priscilla, that this thread and topic discontinue as it both distracting and upsetting. Best Regards -Original Message- From: hal9001 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 2:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 'It's not the US they want to destroy. It's our arrogance' [7:19819] Don't you mean the CULT of ALLAH..any so called religion that encourages this mayhem is a one way ticket to hell. Its nothing more than an evil cult! Karl - Original Message - From: John Mairs To: Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 6:20 AM Subject: RE: 'It's not the US they want to destroy. It's our arrogance' [7:19726] aaammen! Allah be paved! --- ed smith wrote: Respectfully I would say,,, let people blow some steam off! Who the hell cares about CISCO right now? Ed From: Thad Gaston To: ed smith , Subject: RE: 'It's not the US they want to destroy. It's our arrogance' [7:19679] Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:59:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [12.109.97.147] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBD69252000344136E8170C6D619313EB0; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:56:49 -0700 From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:57:36 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4417.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: 'It's not the US they want to destroy. It's our arrogance' [7:19679] Thread-Index: AcE71YI1yqc/7joNR3ugD6ApyYlA6wAAC/Bg All, I would discourage any further post regarding this topic as it becoming more and more useless and distracting. None of our sentiments are going to bring back the lives of those that have passed on nor bring about the justice the we all would like to see. Let's keep the list on track and get back to what this list is intended for. Regards, Thad Gaston -Original Message- From: ed smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 5:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 'It's not the US they want to destroy. It's our arrogance' [7:19679] That is the biggest load of crap I've ever heard! The people we see dancing in the streets of Palestine are brainwashed! The common person in the middle east would give anything to come and live in the U.S. and get out of their hell hole they call home. Believe me, I did 2 years there, it sucks!!! Nothing worth keeping in that part of the World. I don't see all those God forsaken countries having a problem with people wanting to immigrate there! If they believe they are God's chosen people, why didn't he make them from Hawaii, or Switzerland, or some other nice part of this World? They don't have the open airways or free flow of information to make logical decisions. They only believe what their ignorant and jealous leaders tell them. They wanted a Holy War I think they have it,, Holy @!#$ Ahkmed, here comes a Tomahawk missile! Holy @!#$ Al-@!#$, here comes a flights of F-15's!!! Holy @!#$ Al-Khobar, I think I'm going to see Allah! Wait and see brings new meaning to bombs bursting in air. YOU SEEM TWISTED, according to your last email anyway. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] = John L. Mairs __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=19938t=19938 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info:
Re: Anyone feel like uploading us IOS 12.1 or 12.2 [7:19540]
Yeah I offered to help him retrieve the file from the crashed server haven't heard back. Imagine that. - Original Message - From: ; To: ; Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:31 PM Subject: Re: Anyone feel like uploading us IOS 12.1 or 12.2 [7:19540] In the middle of studying the back up and restore methods thought in the sybex CCNA book my server unfortunetly crashed taking with it my IOS for the 2501 router. I remember it having 12.1 IOS. If anyone has 12.1 or 12.2 IOS and would be kind to upload it to me I would most greatly appreciate it. thank you all. Nice Try! No freebies, fuckhead!!! Get a Smartnet contract! Rob H, NP, DP, blah,blah,blah Return-Path: Received: from rly-xc04.mx.aol.com (rly-xc04.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.137]) by air-xc02.mail.aol.com (v80.17) with ESMTP id MAILINXC24-0912004834; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 00:48:34 -0400 Received: from groupstudy.com (www.groupstudy.com [63.104.50.75]) by rly-xc04.mx.aol.com (v80.21) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXC43-0912004812; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 00:48:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (mail@localhost) by groupstudy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA27547; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 01:02:54 -0400 Received: by groupstudy.com (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 Sep 2001 00:49:00 -0400 Received: (from listserver@localhost) by groupstudy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25513 GroupStudy Mailer; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 00:48:59 -0400 Received: (from mail@localhost) by groupstudy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25506 GroupStudy Mailer; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 00:48:59 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 00:48:59 -0400 Message-Id: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-GroupStudy-Version: 3.1.1a X-GroupStudy: Network Technical To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Anyone feel like uploading us IOS 12.1 or 12.2? [7:19540] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=19939t=19540 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 'It's not the US they want to destroy. It's our arrogance' [7:19832]
Hey moron if we're so bad why don't you boycott us. That is right you can't. Oh I get it you'll use all our products and services but our guns and bullets killed your kids and cops. Na it was your enlightened citizens that did that. I think you got it backwards we listen to every piss-ant toothless nation (yours included). That is gonna change I think Bush and our congress made it clear either you are with us or against us. My advice send them out or we're coming in. Oh and I am sorry I called you a moron your English your a twit. Don - Original Message - From: A non-American To: Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:20 AM Subject: RE: 'It's not the US they want to destroy. It's our arrogance' [7:19805] Gutless ? What cause would you train months for with a guarantee of death or life imprisonment ? The facts as I see them are - A. the victims were blameless and deserved nothing of what they received. My heart goes out especially to the rescue crews, imagine dying trying to help! B. the organisation and commitment was amazing, in a nuclear world retaliation must be very precise and fully calculated rather than knee-jerk. Do not underestimate these people, it would be very dumb indeed to assume that they are less intelligent than yourselves. C. many reading this will not like this but the actions of the US government for decades has been in the interest of the US and much blood has been spilt by them and 3rd parties funded by them. Is the hatred you feel for your attackers of your people less valid than theirs ? What attack against these people would you find unacceptable ? The gloves are off - no ? Somebody else out there feels this against your country. The US must try and find these people to make them answer for this but must also look inwards at the same time!! priority is to stop it happening again no ? Look at the tit for tat mess Israel is in... I'm English and for a long time American money has paid for bullets and semtex used in my country - children are dead as are many policemen not to mention the civilians popped off because they have the wrong religion. The level of ignorance in the US is truly amazing, everybody outside the US is disgusted by this act but not many are asking why, we've got a pretty good idea. Word of advice - we get CNN too and it's biased as hell, listen to the news from somewhere ANYWHERE else once in a while. A non-American -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Fenech, William J Sent: 13 September 2001 01:55 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: 'It's not the US they want to destroy. It's our arrogance' [7:19699] Don't waste your time with idiots like this (aka Reeta Sinha). The people who pulled off this gutless act, and the ones who support them should be exterminated, pure and simple. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=19832t=19832 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anyone feel like uploading us IOS 12.1 or 12.2? [7:19540]
Guess you learned a great lesson in backup and recovery. Let me clue you in on a secret. There are countless ways of getting that data off the hard drive of your server. You should look into that. What kind of server was it. I'll help you get your data back. Don - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:48 PM Subject: Anyone feel like uploading us IOS 12.1 or 12.2? [7:19540] In the middle of studying the back up and restore methods thought in the sybex CCNA book my server unfortunetly crashed taking with it my IOS for the 2501 router. I remember it having 12.1 IOS. If anyone has 12.1 or 12.2 IOS and would be kind to upload it to me I would most greatly appreciate it. thank you all. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=19569t=19540 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: One Journalist's Opinion of CCIE [7:18843]
Yeah - Original Message - From: Leigh Anne Chisholm To: Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 9:59 PM Subject: RE: One Journalist's Opinion of CCIE [7:18843] Actually, it's likely the lawyer fresh out of lawschool will do a better job than the cratchety old lawyer that's had a few years to become jaded by the system or to get an over-inflated view of themselves. The new kid on the block has something to prove so he'll go that extra mile to do a superb job. Did I mention I used to head up an IT division at a major Canadian law firm? (-: My point is... experience doesn't always matter. Brilliance and the willingness to do a good job can compensate quite well for experience. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chuck Larrieu Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 10:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: One Journalist's Opinion of CCIE [7:18843] hey, Brad, aren't you the guy who was complaining on the other list about what the one day lab would end up doing? ;- may I point out that the CPA or the State Bar, or the real estate broker's exam, for that matter, are very difficult, and only a small percentage of takers pass first time through. So who do you want doing your taxes - the guy fresh out of accounting school, or the guy with a few years experience? How about if you find yourself in court for one reason or another? Want that lawyer fresh out of law school who happened to pass the bar first try through? Hey - he's smart enough! Isn't he? and for those wondering, I deliberately avoided using real estate broker examples because the house its up for sale, and I don't care about credentials, just as long as I get my price. Any CCIE's out there want to come live in California? Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brad Ellis Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 9:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: One Journalist's Opinion of CCIE [7:18843] Chuck, Hi! Don't get me wrong, Im not saying CCIE's sh*t don't stink!!! I know a few CCIEs that I would let touch my network. However, I consider that the EXCEPTION and not the RULE. As a general rule of thumb, I consider the CCIE level of knowledge and applicable skills to be higher than minimal competence. I suppose it really depends on your definition of minimal competence. I define minimal competence as someone who has a fundamental understanding of networking with a small amount of hands-on experience. I would generally classify a CCIE to have a more in-depth understanding of networking fundamentals and quite a bit more hands-on experience than someone with minimal competence. Mr. Seltzer's writing says that the average CCIE is minimally competent in the product (I'd guess he was referring to Cisco). I think that's like saying NBA basketball players are minimally competent basketball players. To Michael Jordan that's probably true, but Im sure the general public would disagree. I suppose it really comes down to your definition of minimal competence. I have a great deal of respect for the majority of other CCIE's who I have come in contact with and consider calling them minimally competent to be an insult. -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 Chuck Larrieu wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... like everything else in this business, the answer is it depends. sorry folks, but CCIE's are not gods who walk among us. I personally know several CCIE's who are top notch and deserving of every dollar they get and every contract they land. I also personally know a couple who couldn't tell you how a packet gets from one interface to another in a router. all the CCIE certification proves is that you have passed Cisco's lab test. It does not prove one way or another whether you know jack about networking. I suggest that there is a percentage of the 2000 or so who have attained the cert since last year who did so only because they successfully memorized enough scenario configurations that they were able to luck their way through when their lab closely resembled one of those scenarios they memorized. I personally know several folks who passed over the last 18 months whose only hands on experience was in their practice labs. Of these, all were pretty sharp dudes, by the way. From personal experience I can tell you that I saw absolutely nothing in my lab that made me wish I'd spent more time reading RFC's, or Comer, or any of the other great books of the networking world. I saw plenty that made me wish I'd spent more time on certain practice materials readily available ( I refer to the commercially available products. please do not contact me for names and sources ) whenever this topic comes up, I see
Re: Boson test sofware [7:18765]
Call and ask for Chad Altman he will hook you up. - Original Message - From: Hoa Ngo To: Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 11:06 AM Subject: Re: Boson test sofware [7:18765] I bought 2 CCIE written tests 1 and 2. After upgrading, they are gone. I email them, but no response. Howard From: Jason Reply-To: Jason To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Boson test sofware [7:18765] Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 02:59:41 -0400 Get it from www.boson.com . The registration would work for the new versions as well unless you .. In which case, you probably should be not be asking here.. Omer Ehsan Dar wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... hi all can anybody send me boson test version 3.5 or 3.6 plz I lost mine and I have to install the old tests again. Thanks Omer _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=19271t=18765 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Time factor taking the CCIE Written [7:19180]
I did that for all my RIF questions where you had to do the canonical-noncanonical thing. This saved a lot of time cause they needed some figuring. When I went through the whole test I felt very confident that I had passed even without answering those questions. So instead of hurting my brain doing the binary and applying the rules to the situation I guessed the answers. Real nice feature Huh! 84 for the win. I guess the world will never know if I can do a conversion, but I don't think the world will ever ask. Don - Original Message - From: Tom Keough To: Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 5:17 PM Subject: Re: Time factor taking the CCIE Written [7:19180] Thanks for all your comments and email!! I'll let you know tomorrow about marking and returning to the answers... This will be my 14th certification exam and I have not had one yet that I could go back and change my answers. It will be great if I can on the written. Tomorrow, Tom Tom Keough, CCNP MCSE Tom Keough wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Please, anyone who has taken the written. I am scheduled to take it tomorrow and I feel pretty well prepared. My question is about the time factor. Did you feel a time crunch during the exam or is time not a factor? For me time was not a factor on the CCNP exams. TIA, Tom Tom Keough, CCNP MCSE Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=19278t=19180 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Passed the CCIE Written! 850 [7:19304]
It took six business and eight regular days for mine to show up. Took mine on Wed showed up the next Thurs. You can call prometric/vue on Wed and see if they have your score in their database, then it is off to cisco. Still scheduling two-dayers. - Original Message - From: Tom Keough To: Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 12:59 PM Subject: Passed the CCIE Written! 850 [7:19304] Thanks to all who responded to my question regarding time pressure and the written... I passed with a score of 85%!!! What a relief. When I got home with my registration number in hand I went to the Cisco web site and tried to register for the lab. Too soon, the error message says it will take 3 to 5 days for my results to make it to the registration database...;-( I want to see if I have a choice of a one day or two day lab date, anyone know? BTW I could go back to review my answers! I marked six that I guessed at and at the end of the exam I still didn't know them, not much help for me. Thanks again, Tom Tom Keough, CCNP, MCSE [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=19320t=19304 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is this going to be a trend for the CCIE cert??? [7:19296]
If that were true someone would go on a shooting rampage. I'll bet that if you let your cert lapse and then recert at a later time you probably get your old number back. Just a hunch, someone know better. Don - Original Message - From: Wright, Jeremy To: Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 1:20 PM Subject: RE: Is this going to be a trend for the CCIE cert??? [7:19296] My question is, what happens if a CCIE loses his number do to not recertifying? For example, if CCIE# 4000 doesn't recertify, is that number eligible for new CCIE's since it is now open. So if I get my CCIE tomorrow and 4000 didn't recert, is his number available to me? -Original Message- From: Glenn Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 2:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Is this going to be a trend for the CCIE cert??? [7:19296] While I agree that such an arbitrary distinction has the potential to be abused, this person is likely looking (hoping) for some heightened level of assurance that candidates will have many, many years of experience. I don't know enough CCIEs to comment on the validity of such an assumption regarding the correlation/magnitude of relevant experience with a given CCIE number. However, my guess is that simply by virtue of having such a low number that quite a few of the early CCIEs are now firmly entrenched in the upper ranks of management (and thus possibly, but not necessarily, out of touch with current technology in the field) -- but that assumption could be quite flawed. Worst case scenario -- give the recruiter your number in HEX, maybe they will be unable to convert it properly :-) (just kidding of course) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 3:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: Is this going to be a trend for the CCIE cert??? [7:19296] I was just cruising on the dice jobs board when something caught my attention. dice.com/DandL/k/ktii.213.html (paste into your browser) This is the first time that I've personally seen a recruiter target a number range for a CCIE job!!! My question aloud is this - With the impending CCIE #10,XXX coming by next year are we going to find that there is going to be the perception that the higher your number the less value to the customer/employer/client. Of course, the headhunter/manager will never even comprehend that the CCIE made today has a much broader range to cover as say the CCIE of 3 to 5 years ago. NO, I NOT BASHING ANYONE JUST STATING A FACT.. :-) DAMN! I knew I should not have procrastinated for the past year before stepping up to the lab. I can just hear it now. Me: Yes, I'm CCIE #xyz Headhunter: Thank you, but we're looking for a CCIE from block #abc I hope this does not become the quid pro quo among managers/headhuters/recruiter or this could be a bad sign for the CCIE in the long run. Just MY percecption I guess! [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=19322t=19296 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ccie lab question? [7:18403]
It is going to be very hard to get a date before the switch, you will have to probably go to another country. My thinking is wait for the one-day that way if you go down you will at least know the layout and format. If you take the two-day and go down the next time you go back you will see a new format because it will be the one-day format. Don - Original Message - From: george gittins To: Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 6:05 AM Subject: ccie lab question? [7:18403] question for all folks. i want to take the ccie lab test before the implement the one day lab. however what would be my deadline. this is of course take it either at california or the other site, just take it before the one day lab kicks in. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=18409t=18403 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Password recovery when console it hosed [7:17743]
People are going to tell you that you have a bad terminal package but I don't think thats it. Can you get into rommon, if you can run the router with 0x2141. If you still get garbled console you may want to try and load a small image. I once loaded a very large image on a 1600 and starting recieveing garbled messages. I had to send it back to cisco the TAC guy on the phone said that this can happen sometimes when there is not enough memory for the expanding image. It will even negate displaying the rommon functionality, which really surprised me. - Original Message - From: Adam Luy To: Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 1:37 PM Subject: Password recovery when console it hosed [7:17743] Hey everybody, I have a couple of 3102 routers at home that I can not get into. The console ports have been set to some strange setting I can not seem to figure out. I've tried what seems to be an endless combination of speeds, parity, stop bits, data bits, etc..., but still get garbled data out the console. I have other 3102s in my lab, so I know I've got good cables and all that. Plus, if I have a TFTP server going when I power them up they will download IOS from it, so I know they are working, just can't get into the damn console! Is there anyway to manually/physically clear NVRAM so the console is set back to 9600,n,8,1? Help! -Adam Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=17866t=17743 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BMC Patrol [7:17794]
Well hello there CIO lackey geek. How do you know it is a good deal. I try a guess, the geek salesman told you that it retails for 59.95 but he will sell it to you for 39.95. You have been evaluating it why don't you share your findings. Sorry I'm a little edgy Brad just hinted at the possibility of a PIX on the Lab so that throw my ASP and ERP into a full blown tizzy cause all the DBA's are sucking snow cones for an extended holiday weekend. You know I only have 4 Megs of RAM and D-Day late May. hey good luck with that usless app. Don - Original Message - From: 350mhz To: Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 8:08 PM Subject: BMC Patrol [7:17794] Hi Cisco Geeks, We are evaluating a new product from BMC called Patrol DashBoard and Patrol Visualis. I am told by the Sales Geeks that this product is fairly new; therefore it's been rough getting feed back. So I turn to you. What is the word? Who has used it, what are the Pro and Cons? Is this company worth dealing with? They are cutting us a good deal and the CIO is about to go for it unless I can dig up some dirt. Thank Rob Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=17958t=17794 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Offtopic: Sun Solaris Admin [7:17684]
yo bri you better watch you mucho faqage.
Don't say you aint been warned.
- Original Message -
From: Brian Whalen
To:
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: Offtopic: Sun Solaris Admin [7:17684]
There are lots of mailing lists and newsgroups. For newsgroups, there are
a few comp.sys.sun groups, and some yahoo clubs; I'm sure others can be
found with some searching. www.sunhelp.org is useful, as is the sun
managers list. A site for that is www.sunmanagers.org. Both of these
last 2 sites have mucho faqage..
Brian Sonic Whalen
Success = Preparation + Opportunity
On Wed, 29 Aug 2001, Rob Bains wrote:
Try solcert on yahoo. There are a couple of sun related lists on Yahoo,
but
solcert is
a good starting point.
Rob
Admin wrote:
hi all,
do you know of a similar discussion group dedicated to Unix/Sun
Solaris
Admin
certification ?
have to get solaris admin cert to retain my job.
thanks
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Re: BMC Patrol [7:17794]
The use of geek twice in an e-mail will always set me off. I'm an Engineer. P.S. Oh and since I'm a geek I thought a few buzz-word acronyms would be nice. No? P.S.S. I don't have any DBA's I made that part up. P.S.S.S. I thought in all that non-sense there were two good questions, namely; How do you know it is a good deal? It aint worth five bucks if its broke. Since you have been evaluating it why don't you share your findings? Me thinks the evaluation period was a power point sales presentation and maybe a demo copy for the laptop. Yeah lets launch. - Original Message - From: John Neiberger To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 3:05 PM Subject: Re: BMC Patrol [7:17794] No offense, Don, but did you smoke something illegal before writing that email?? ;-) I'm having trouble figuring out why you even bothered to reply considering your post was only ranting about PIXes and DBAs on vacation! Do you know something about that app or not? If not, why bother replying just to rip into the guy? Heck, I don't even know why I'm responding to you, either. It's not my place to be the content cop, but good grief if you honestly have nothing whatsoever to contribute to a thread, why waste the bandwidth? Okay, I admit, I'm a little grumpy today but I won't blame you for that. :-) I'll go crawl back into my hole for the rest of the afternoon. John p.s. What does PIXes in the lab have to do with your ASP and ERP going into a tizzy because DBAs are on vacation? Does that make sense to anyone?? I must have missed something somewhere along the line. Donald B Johnson jr 8/30/01 3:59:49 PM Well hello there CIO lackey geek. How do you know it is a good deal. I try a guess, the geek salesman told you that it retails for 59.95 but he will sell it to you for 39.95. You have been evaluating it why don't you share your findings. Sorry I'm a little edgy Brad just hinted at the possibility of a PIX on the Lab so that throw my ASP and ERP into a full blown tizzy cause all the DBA's are sucking snow cones for an extended holiday weekend. You know I only have 4 Megs of RAM and D-Day late May. hey good luck with that usless app. Don - Original Message - From: 350mhz To: Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 8:08 PM Subject: BMC Patrol [7:17794] Hi Cisco Geeks, We are evaluating a new product from BMC called Patrol DashBoard and Patrol Visualis. I am told by the Sales Geeks that this product is fairly new; therefore it's been rough getting feed back. So I turn to you. What is the word? Who has used it, what are the Pro and Cons? Is this company worth dealing with? They are cutting us a good deal and the CIO is about to go for it unless I can dig up some dirt. Thank Rob Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=17969t=17794 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Prologue: Anything wrong with this switch? [7:17045]
Actually EA he did have a chance to defend himself. Let's say he sold a dead 2501 for 500 dollars, the only way he could defend himself would be to give the money back. Coming on here or any forum and doing a he-said/she-said would not be defending himself it would be embarrassing himself. - Original Message - From: EA Louie To: Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 9:32 AM Subject: Re: Prologue: Anything wrong with this switch? [7:17045] Well gee, Sanjay, that would be a bummer for me. I don't have a rating of 100 on eBay, yet I've sold kits to people in the $2000 range without a problem. Regarding Evgeny at IQSale/ojick/lanbuilder2000, I'm sure with the volume of business that he does, there are bound to be some disgruntled customers - no one is perfect. (Well, I take that back, because [EMAIL PROTECTED] is really good for the volume that he does.) If he doesn't make it right, however, he doesn't deserve the victim's repeat business. But there is no reason to drag his name/business through the mud as a result without giving him an opportunity to defend himself. That would be the honorable thing to do. Let he without sin cast the first stone - Original Message - From: Sanjay Chaudhry To: Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 10:00 PM Subject: Prologue: Anything wrong with this switch? [7:17045] Thanks Brian, Daniel, Priscilla and Eric for all your input. It helped me tremendously. As advised by many posters I asked the seller to send me the output of 'show ver' for this switch. The otherwise prompt-replier seller maintained a loud silence. Shortly after that there was a discussion thread on group study about people being cheated by IQSale posing under different name on EBay. This was the same guy selling this switch, under yet another name of lanbuilder2000!!! Obviously, I did not go ahead with the deal. After this close-shave I will not advise anybody to buy anything expensive on Ebay from a seller with a rating of -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Sanjay Chaudhry Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 4:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Urgent: Anything wrong with this switch? [7:17045] Hi Everyone, I'm trying to buy a refurbished switch with the following specifications: = Cisco Catalyst 5505 w/ Supervisor Engine II WS-X5506 Included in the Chassis: One WS-C5505 Chassis 5 slot Chassis 1 Supervisor Engine II (WS-X5506) 1 AC Power Supply 1 12 PORT 100BaseTX Ethernet (WS-X5113) 1 AC Cord 1 Console Kit = There is no guarantee against DOA from seller. I'll be responsible for everything after the sale!! I'm a recent CCNA. This is intended for my CCNP/CCIE lab. I'll need your advice here... I don't even know if Flash/RAM should have been mentioned in the switch specs and are missing... Your input is highly valued. Thanks, Sanjay _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=17966t=17045 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 3 envelopes [7:17666]
marilyn's husband - Original Message - From: EA Louie To: Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 12:29 PM Subject: Re: 3 envelopes [7:17666] who is Tom Chambers? - Original Message - From: netm thru To: Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 6:25 AM Subject: 3 envelopes [7:17666] A CEO resigned from a company and left the new CEO 3 envelopes. The new one asked the old one what they were for. He replied open them one at a time when times get tough. A few months later when times were tough the new CEO opened an envelope and it said Blame the economy so he did. A quarter later when things were still bad he opened the second envelope. It said Restructure. A couple of quarters later he opened the third envelope. It said Leave 3 envelopes. How long before Tom Chambers leaves his 3 envelopes? __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=17734t=17666 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ambiguous command [7:17568]
I agree TOTALLY with Leigh Anne, but I would also like to add that I was very disappointed at how many questions on the CCIE written were word for word on testing software. One is a coincidence about forty exact word for word questions is criminal. So even if someone posts a question with QID and vendor info you could still be treading thin ice. I think the software copied the Test questions, cisco didn't look at the software and say we gotta have that one. Don - Original Message - From: Leigh Anne Chisholm To: Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 11:20 PM Subject: RE: ambiguous command [7:17568] If someone replies to a question indicating they can't respond due to NDA, it's more than likely that that person has it on good authority that the question comes from an official Cisco exam. It's best if people didn't jump to responding to such questions until the poster identifies the source of the question. In this particular example, two people posted messages indicating answering would contravene NDA. Groupstudy has never been about providing a home for braindumps - it's been about enhansing knowledge. Jo Carol needs to keep questions OFF the list unless the source has been specified--and the rest of us need to take the time to make sure we're not contributing to devaluing the worth of our Certifications. -- Leigh Anne -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of James Willard Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 2:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ambiguous command [7:17568] That isn't a NDA issue. That's something you can easily test on any router that runs IOS. A quick test of telneting to a router and typing show i results in the ambiguous command message followed by the Router# prompt. There's your answer. James Willard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wright, Jeremy wrote: Can't answer- must respect NDA -Original Message- From: jo carol [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 3:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:ambiguous command [7:17568] Hi I had a question on a test that said if after a command you get %ambiguous command will the router return to the original command or just router# Thanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -James Donavon Willard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=17675t=17568 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: $10 Vitual CCIE/CCNP LAB NOW AVAILABLE [7:17490]
They also say that they have CCIE's on staff to deploy for all your networking needs. If CCIE's were behind those Labs they should be ashamed of themselves. Why don't John Doe send us their names and IE numbers and Chuck and I could check them out on our favorite tool, the CCIE verification tool on CCO. Little advice to the dude that wants to sell rack time, focus on CCNA's first, you do have equipment to satisfy their needs but you don't even come close to NP or IE level with what you are showing. Don't say I didn't try to help. - Original Message - From: Chuck Larrieu To: Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 10:29 PM Subject: RE: $10 Vitual CCIE/CCNP LAB NOW AVAILABLE [7:17490] I was a bit more interested in fritz on training, rather than hans on, but... with regards to Lab 1, you may want to add some commentary regarding the issue around the links between R2-R4 and R3-R4. it is an important issue, and the earlier one learns it, the better. with regards to Lab 2, I believe you meant to say issue a shut command, rather than a no shut a good hard working pre-CCNA level should be able to do the RIP lab in an hour, with plenty of time for troubleshooting. the IGRP lab appears to be a BCRAN level lab, and maybe 90 minutes or so. hiding behind the John Doe moniker leaves me wondering. got a real name and real e-mail? Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 9:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: $10 Vitual CCIE/CCNP LAB NOW AVAILABLE [7:17490] www.it3networksonline.com is an up an coming web site that hosts virtual labs to help individuals gain hans on training for CCIE/CCNP/CCNA status. We also provide free over the phone support to help you get started and to answer network related questions at 917-880-6532. The first lab will be FREE! Please visit www.it3networksonline.com. Thank you. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=17520t=17490 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How do I get into the COLT? [7:17531]
Gone! Check the archives a detailed discussion there. - Original Message - From: Ariel To: Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 7:56 AM Subject: How do I get into the COLT? [7:17531] I am studying for my third Cisco exam. I've heard about taking the Colt testing for a practice dry run. How do I get into the COLT? I have a CCO account, but I can't seem to find the COLT within the CISCO website. Thanks in advance... Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=17534t=17531 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Info on CCIE lab Paul what say yee [7:17548]
I just got off the phone with Robin from Cisco's CCIE team. Here is a synopsis of that conversation. 1. Halifax, San Jose, RTP are all running neck-and-neck for dates. Sometime in May 2002 is first available. 2. Anyone scheduled for a date after Oct 1 will automatically receive a One-Day Lab, even if you scheduled a Two-day Lab. In fact they are still scheduling Two-Day'ers. 3. Sometime in mid-to-end Oct they will release the freed up dates, resulting from Labs scheduled for two days that are now only one day. I guess you pick which day you want, I didn't ask that, just thought of it. This means that there will be a lot of open spots. 4. You cannot request a date for a one-day lab until all the dates are freed up. So start your engines, put that number in speed dial, and bookmark that page, the race is ON. In October some lucky fool could potentially, call on a Tuesday and stand on a Saturday for the CCIE lab. Unbelievable. Rashid are you listening you could call right after the proctor is done chatting with you, almost like a double booking. 5. It takes at least 5-to-7 business days for the information to make it from Prometric/Vue into the CCIE database. (Despite what the WEB page says) Been itching to schedule for a long time (39 yrs pre written, 6 days post written). Little personal issue there. 6. You may be able to move up once the one-day schedule is released, Robin was unclear on this point, she stated they were going to see how the program phases in. The operative word here is may. 7. Paul B. may want to relax his restrictions on gaining access to the CCIE list in light of the ambiguity surrounding scheduling issues. If I schedule now, I have to wait till May 2002, someone can wait and call after Oct 2001 and stand the lab in a short amount of time. This person that waits technically won't be able to access the list but he would go to the lab within the three month time frame. That is just one scenario. Paul what say yee about those of us that have passed the written but are in this Lab scheduling quandry. Don Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=17548t=17548 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab Setup [7:17285]
The list is on the cisco site. Part of becoming a CCIE is being familar with different routers/switches and ports (interfaces). You may want to get a lab guide and see what they are using and how, this should be a good start. I would say at a minimum 36 serial interfaces. 20 sync 16 async - Original Message - From: XYZ To: Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 9:24 PM Subject: CCIE Lab Setup [7:17285] I would like to setup a CCIE R/S Lab, what routers and switches should I have in the Lab? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=17436t=17285 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab exam - booked twice [7:17310]
Oh I see maybe they could roll out a red carpet as you stroll up. No better yet I could throw rose petal since I aint busy anymore cause you double booked and I gotta wait for the really good guys to keep going through until they pass. Then you say you would cancel the second one if you failed, I think you meant pass. If this is your thought process you may want to add a third date. You may try pirating that Transcender test for a test brain too. - Original Message - From: Rashid Lohiya To: Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 2:49 AM Subject: CCIE Lab exam - booked twice [7:17310] Guys, Does anyone know whether one person can book the lab twice? ie. 1 for April, 1 for June, thus allowing him to cancel and get a refund on the second one if the first is failed. In this way, the year long wait would not need to be endured if I was to fail the first time around. -- Rashid Lohiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] 020 8509 2990 07785 362626 www.pioneer-computers.com London UK www.rashidl.co.uk Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=17439t=17310 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Exam Cram [7:17334]
no they didn't did they Thank You, Donald B Johnson Jr Engineering/Technical Operations Corporate Manager Technical Support Services Adelphia Communications Corp. P# 888-277-6872 support line Pg# 866-690-9276 pager P# 814-260-3259 office F# 814-260-3227 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Rayappa Mayakunthala To: Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 11:14 AM Subject: CCIE Exam Cram [7:17334] Cisco added CCIE Exam Cram to the recommended reading list! http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/certifications/routing.html Rayappa. This message is confidential and may also be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose, nor disclose it's contents to any other person. The views and opinions expressed in this e-mail message are the author's own and may not reflect the views and opinions of Wilco International. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=17440t=17334 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Tacacs [7:17110]
See this is what I am talking about here is a snipit from that page. __ Download xtacacsd v4.1 for Cisco terminal servers. Does Skey, PH databases, accounting and more _ Note: this software is not being developed any more because of the advent of better protocols such as radius and tac_plus. _ So why don't you just roll that one out since you're busy, then when a bug locks everybody out don't call them for support. You'll be researching how to do a lot of good old fashion console work without the boss finding out. - Original Message - From: Ramesh K To: Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 2:14 AM Subject: Re: Re: Tacacs [7:17110] Hi stephen, You can use tacacs if you want to authenticate the users accessing your routers .You can get the log also.You can download the same from www.navya.com I don't have idea about kerboros ... In my setup tacacs is working fine thanks ramesh On Fri, 24 Aug 2001 Stephen Skinner wrote : Hello, i don`t mean to be rude but i think the reason the gentleman replyed the way he did was because way you posed your question was to say i`m to busy ...you lot do it for me now i personal believe that that is not the case and you were simply asking (as i do all the time) for some assistance in this subject matter. unfortunatly i don`t have an answer to your question but also require info on tacacs+so please don`t be afraid to pass on what you may learn Kindest Regards steve From: khramov Reply-To: khramov To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Tacacs [7:17110] Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:58:12 -0400 As far as I know this is Cisco newsgroup and it should be used for technical discussions not for personal insults. If you think that you are smarter than me or have better work habits that is fine, I am not going to argue with that. Otherwise I would be asking questions. Donald B Johnson jr wrote: After someone gives you an answer, are you going to have time to research if it is a good solution for you or are you going to just implement it. It sure must warm the cockles of your supervisors heart if he could see you now. actually the only two things that would make me to busy that I couldn't research an access solution would be; A raging blaze A Seinfeld rerun don - Original Message - From: khramov To: Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 6:17 AM Subject: Tacacs [7:17110] Hi, Just like everyone else sometimes I do not have enough time to do the research myself and I post questions here. Here is what I am trying to do: I am trying to set up some sort of security server on my network to authorize user access on routers and switches. First of all what should I use Tacacs (extended or +), Radius, Kerberos, which one seem to work better. Second where can I buy/download the software or can I just configure a router as a Tacacs server. Just give me some ideas on this. Thanks a lot, alex - _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp 110 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=17454t=17110 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Don't buy from OneSource Was Don't buy from IQ [7:17225]
thanks Phil I bought a MM adapter from them, luckily it worked. I would not buy from them again because of this info. Not because of bad equipment but because of the way they handled it. Did you file a greivience with E-Bay. How about the insurance how does that work shouldn't the money come to you since you filed the claim. I think if someone builds a list please let me know, I am always stocking my lab on E-Bay. Don - Original Message - From: Circusnuts To: Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 9:19 AM Subject: Re: Don't buy from OneSource Was Don't buy from IQ [7:17225] Add one more- Ebay's BabyJake. He sent me a DOA router them asked me to fill out insurance paperwork for possible UPS damages. I did sent the router back. This was more than 6 months 10 E-mails ago. I suspect BabyJake was paid both UPS's insurance me. Very Unscrupulous Phil - Original Message - From: Jason To: Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 1:47 AM Subject: Re: Don't buy from OneSource Was Don't buy from IQ [7:17225] Well, my advise to all is still the same, don't buy from 1. OneSource 2. IQSale 3. GrandStore 4. Hitek They are the same companies and they seems to believe that changing their names help to avoid their responsibilities to their customers. They are FRAUD and CHEATER . I will also put up the names of the people that I was in contact with in a web page shortly... If you know of anybody that has been cheat or default by these companies above, please forward details to me and I will put it together in a web page as a warning to others. If anybody knows any other name that the companies go by , let me know... I will be putting up a web page pertaining to this company and I strongly suggest that anybody thinking of buying anything from them either directly or through eBay, seriously reconsider it. Brad Ellis wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... IQSale is now known as Onesource. FYI It seems like there are quite a few unhappy customers out there. We were (stopped using them about 6 mos ago) using them as one of our sources on occasion and I can't say we ever had any problems with them. -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 [EMAIL PROTECTED] used Cisco: www.optsys.net Fanglo MA wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Agree! I also had such experience with IQSale. Fanglo Jason wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... And they probably thought that you didn't know what you are asking for and that they are doing you a favour by giving you a switch :-P What I would really tell everybody is not to buy from IQSale and Grandstore, these guys are FRAUD !!! CHEATERS. So guys, remember, don't buy from IQSale aka Grandstore aka HiTEK they also use different seller names in eBay FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=17430t=17225 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Don't buy from OneSource Was Don't buy from IQ [7:17225]
Thank You, Donald B Johnson Jr Engineering/Technical Operations Corporate Manager Technical Support Services Adelphia Communications Corp. P# 888-277-6872 support line Pg# 866-690-9276 pager P# 814-260-3259 office F# 814-260-3227 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Brian To: Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 10:20 AM Subject: Re: Don't buy from OneSource Was Don't buy from IQ [7:17225] Phil, Just curious, because I am a reseller, and I sell/buy equipment from alot of people already mentioned on this list, including babyjake (World Wide Technology Exchange). When you call him, and he, or sheila answers the phone, and you put this in there face point blank.what do they say? i mean how do they respond? I would not use email. I would call them every day. Brian On Sat, 25 Aug 2001, Circusnuts wrote: Add one more- Ebay's BabyJake. He sent me a DOA router them asked me to fill out insurance paperwork for possible UPS damages. I did sent the router back. This was more than 6 months 10 E-mails ago. I suspect BabyJake was paid both UPS's insurance me. Very Unscrupulous Phil - Original Message - From: Jason To: Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 1:47 AM Subject: Re: Don't buy from OneSource Was Don't buy from IQ [7:17225] Well, my advise to all is still the same, don't buy from 1. OneSource 2. IQSale 3. GrandStore 4. Hitek They are the same companies and they seems to believe that changing their names help to avoid their responsibilities to their customers. They are FRAUD and CHEATER . I will also put up the names of the people that I was in contact with in a web page shortly... If you know of anybody that has been cheat or default by these companies above, please forward details to me and I will put it together in a web page as a warning to others. If anybody knows any other name that the companies go by , let me know... I will be putting up a web page pertaining to this company and I strongly suggest that anybody thinking of buying anything from them either directly or through eBay, seriously reconsider it. Brad Ellis wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... IQSale is now known as Onesource. FYI It seems like there are quite a few unhappy customers out there. We were (stopped using them about 6 mos ago) using them as one of our sources on occasion and I can't say we ever had any problems with them. -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 [EMAIL PROTECTED] used Cisco: www.optsys.net Fanglo MA wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Agree! I also had such experience with IQSale. Fanglo Jason wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... And they probably thought that you didn't know what you are asking for and that they are doing you a favour by giving you a switch :-P What I would really tell everybody is not to buy from IQSale and Grandstore, these guys are FRAUD !!! CHEATERS. So guys, remember, don't buy from IQSale aka Grandstore aka HiTEK they also use different seller names in eBay FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm buying / selling used CISCO gear!! email me for a quote Brian Feeny, CCIE #8036 Netjam, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.netjam.net VISA/MC/AMEX/COD phone: 318-212-0245 30 day warranty fax: 318-212-0246 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=17432t=17225 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Don't buy from OneSource Was Don't buy from IQ [7:17225]
I'd give them a call. Here is the contact info: Rachel Reed Customer Service Worldwide Technology Exchange, Inc. 1929 Main Street, Suite 106 Irvine, CA 92614 Phone: (949) 428-3347 Fax: (949) 428-3396 - Original Message - From: Brian To: Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 10:20 AM Subject: Re: Don't buy from OneSource Was Don't buy from IQ [7:17225] Phil, Just curious, because I am a reseller, and I sell/buy equipment from alot of people already mentioned on this list, including babyjake (World Wide Technology Exchange). When you call him, and he, or sheila answers the phone, and you put this in there face point blank.what do they say? i mean how do they respond? I would not use email. I would call them every day. Brian On Sat, 25 Aug 2001, Circusnuts wrote: Add one more- Ebay's BabyJake. He sent me a DOA router them asked me to fill out insurance paperwork for possible UPS damages. I did sent the router back. This was more than 6 months 10 E-mails ago. I suspect BabyJake was paid both UPS's insurance me. Very Unscrupulous Phil - Original Message - From: Jason To: Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 1:47 AM Subject: Re: Don't buy from OneSource Was Don't buy from IQ [7:17225] Well, my advise to all is still the same, don't buy from 1. OneSource 2. IQSale 3. GrandStore 4. Hitek They are the same companies and they seems to believe that changing their names help to avoid their responsibilities to their customers. They are FRAUD and CHEATER . I will also put up the names of the people that I was in contact with in a web page shortly... If you know of anybody that has been cheat or default by these companies above, please forward details to me and I will put it together in a web page as a warning to others. If anybody knows any other name that the companies go by , let me know... I will be putting up a web page pertaining to this company and I strongly suggest that anybody thinking of buying anything from them either directly or through eBay, seriously reconsider it. Brad Ellis wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... IQSale is now known as Onesource. FYI It seems like there are quite a few unhappy customers out there. We were (stopped using them about 6 mos ago) using them as one of our sources on occasion and I can't say we ever had any problems with them. -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 [EMAIL PROTECTED] used Cisco: www.optsys.net Fanglo MA wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Agree! I also had such experience with IQSale. Fanglo Jason wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... And they probably thought that you didn't know what you are asking for and that they are doing you a favour by giving you a switch :-P What I would really tell everybody is not to buy from IQSale and Grandstore, these guys are FRAUD !!! CHEATERS. So guys, remember, don't buy from IQSale aka Grandstore aka HiTEK they also use different seller names in eBay FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm buying / selling used CISCO gear!! email me for a quote Brian Feeny, CCIE #8036 Netjam, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.netjam.net VISA/MC/AMEX/COD phone: 318-212-0245 30 day warranty fax: 318-212-0246 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=17433t=17225 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tacacs [7:17110]
After someone gives you an answer, are you going to have time to research if it is a good solution for you or are you going to just implement it. It sure must warm the cockles of your supervisors heart if he could see you now. actually the only two things that would make me to busy that I couldn't research an access solution would be; A raging blaze A Seinfeld rerun don - Original Message - From: khramov To: Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 6:17 AM Subject: Tacacs [7:17110] Hi, Just like everyone else sometimes I do not have enough time to do the research myself and I post questions here. Here is what I am trying to do: I am trying to set up some sort of security server on my network to authorize user access on routers and switches. First of all what should I use Tacacs (extended or +), Radius, Kerberos, which one seem to work better. Second where can I buy/download the software or can I just configure a router as a Tacacs server. Just give me some ideas on this. Thanks a lot, alex Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=17119t=17110 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fridays funnies [7:17141]
Natasha that was a seminal moment in my life. I was planning on wasting 8-12 months studying for the lab. Maybe I need to join the jobs group if the humor is that rich. Probably a better fit for me. Thank You, Donald B Johnson Jr - Original Message - From: Natasha To: Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 9:01 AM Subject: OT: Fridays funnies [7:17141] Ok 2 jokes and then something that was posted on the groupstudy jobs list that you may get a kick out of. Name withheld of course. - Three men are traveling in the Amazon, a German, an American, and a Mexican, and they get captured by some Amazons. The head of the tribe says to the German, What do you want on your back for your whipping? The German responds, I will take oil! So they put oil on his back, and a large Amazon whips him 10 times. When he is finished the German has huge welts on his back, and he can hardly move. The Amazons haul the German away, and say to the Mexican, What do you want on your back? I will take sand! says the Mexican, and he stands there straight and takes his 10 lashings without a single flinch. What will you take on your back? the Amazons ask the American. I'll take the Mexican. -- A married couple is awakened by the sound of someone knocking on their door. The husband gets up, opens the window, and shouts, Who's there? A voice from below calls out, Please help. I need a push. It's three in the morning, the man hollers. Get lost before I call the cops! His wife rolls over and says, Honey, you should help that person. Remember when our children got stuck on the highway late that night and that trucker helped? The guy sighs, goes downstairs, and calls out, Hey, do you still need a push? Yes, a voice replies. Where are you? Over here, on the swings! Now the jobs list posting... good morning to you. I am looking out for a job real quick. I have been lazing around too much after I quit my job of 3 months and have finally decided to work and and shoot up my career. Presently MCSE. My friend has CCIE books and we two have decided to study hard for about 10 days and finish off the CCIE written and 10 days later the lab. You can interview me now and I would be able to join you only 20 days later, by Sept.15 definitely. I would send my resume to anybody interested. Specifications: Can relocate anywhere in USA. Salary Expected: $85,000. We can give you a better offer if you agree to employ me and my friend both. Will need 20 days leave in Jan 2002 to do CCEE. -- Natasha Flazynski CCNA, MCSE http://www.ciscobot.com My Cisco information site. http://www.botbuilders.com Artificial Intelligence and Linux development Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=17160t=17141 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tacacs [7:17110]
No that is not it Steve, my therapist says if I'm good all week I can have a relapse or two on friday. P) - Original Message - From: Stephen Skinner To: Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 9:00 AM Subject: Re: Tacacs [7:17110] Hello, i don`t mean to be rude but i think the reason the gentleman replyed the way he did was because way you posed your question was to say i`m to busy ...you lot do it for me now i personal believe that that is not the case and you were simply asking (as i do all the time) for some assistance in this subject matter. unfortunatly i don`t have an answer to your question but also require info on tacacs+so please don`t be afraid to pass on what you may learn Kindest Regards steve From: khramov Reply-To: khramov To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Tacacs [7:17110] Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:58:12 -0400 As far as I know this is Cisco newsgroup and it should be used for technical discussions not for personal insults. If you think that you are smarter than me or have better work habits that is fine, I am not going to argue with that. Otherwise I would be asking questions. Donald B Johnson jr wrote: After someone gives you an answer, are you going to have time to research if it is a good solution for you or are you going to just implement it. It sure must warm the cockles of your supervisors heart if he could see you now. actually the only two things that would make me to busy that I couldn't research an access solution would be; A raging blaze A Seinfeld rerun don - Original Message - From: khramov To: Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 6:17 AM Subject: Tacacs [7:17110] Hi, Just like everyone else sometimes I do not have enough time to do the research myself and I post questions here. Here is what I am trying to do: I am trying to set up some sort of security server on my network to authorize user access on routers and switches. First of all what should I use Tacacs (extended or +), Radius, Kerberos, which one seem to work better. Second where can I buy/download the software or can I just configure a router as a Tacacs server. Just give me some ideas on this. Thanks a lot, alex _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=17161t=17110 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
that funnie job posting [7:17164]
Natasha that was a seminal moment in my life. I was planning on wasting 8-12 months studying for the lab. Maybe I need to join the jobs group if the humor is that rich. Probably a better fit for me. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=17164t=17164 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BOSON FOR CIT and Cisco Training Manuals [7:17149]
Answer 1 download the demos and see which ones you like best. I always checked which works they referenced for their explanations. if I had that volume in my libabry it was probably a shoe-in. Answer 2 good question my first thinking would be no but since I also donate stuff and work with my local libabry every year I know they work under some special rules. That solely for your own personal use. thing is the hook. You should call Cisco and see. - Original Message - From: J. Li To: Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 9:19 AM Subject: 2Q: BOSON FOR CIT and Cisco Training Manuals [7:17149] Two quick questions. Q1. BOSON CIT Are BOSON tests good for CIT exam? I plan to buy 2 BOSON tests. Which ones do you recommend? Should I buy test #1 and #2 or test #2 and #3? Q2. Cisco Training Manuals -- Copyright I attended all Cisco training classes and have the official training manuals. Cisco says Cisco and its suppliers grant to you a nonexclusive and nontransferable license to use the Cisco Materials solely for your own personal use... After I finish my CCNP, I don't plan to keep these manuals. If I donate (transfer?) them to our local library, does it violate the license/copyright rule? Regards, J. Li __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=17163t=17149 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Syslog Server [7:17171]
NT or UNIX - Original Message - From: Wright, Jeremy To: Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 11:10 AM Subject: Syslog Server [7:17171] Does anyone have suggestions/preferences on what syslog server to get? Thanks. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=17178t=17171 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Best study materials to use [7:16946]
Actually CCDP is not an addition to the CCNP it is a stand alone cert. - Original Message - From: Munzir Khan To: Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 3:10 AM Subject: RE: Best study materials to use [7:16946] Cisco Press is always the best bacause it is more specific what you see in the real exams although some people read other books along with cisco press which are more users friendly and easy to pickup like sybex, examcram etc. CCDP is just an addition to CCNP where you see more about desgining networks and you have to give two additional exams CCDA CID to obtain CCDP cert. Cheers. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=16968t=16946 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Command to route directly to host [7:16820]
or an interface on a switch a hole in a ship :) - Original Message - From: Peter Slow To: Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 8:57 AM Subject: RE: Command to route directly to host [7:16820] you meant a router INTERFACE. a port is a tcp or udp port. -Original Message- From: Leonardo Toco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 11:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Command to route directly to host [7:16820] Hi, I need your help !!! I need to set a router to route all the incoming in a determined serial to a specific host and not to a router port, this host is a proxy and all the packets should go there. Maybe there is a simple command but I really dont know. Can you guys helpme ? Thanks a lot. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=16864t=16820 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: THEY ARE NOT PORTS THEY ARE INTERFACES! [7:16843]
Then why are they called port adapters you know slot/adapter/port serial 0/1/2 would be in the first slot second adapter third port that is where i would interface my cable coming from the dsu 30 minutes to the big seat - the written 8 months to the big stand - the lab and there i go goofing around on this list - Original Message - From: Peter Slow To: Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 10:08 AM Subject: THEY ARE NOT PORTS THEY ARE INTERFACES! [7:16843] an INTERFACE a thing, such as an ethernet or loopback interface. a port is a logical device, and NO a loopback does not count. i meant like tcp ports, usp ports, and the like. Stop being d0rks and copying everyone else who does it wrong, and dont be afraid to tell people to speak correctly! c3660#conf t Enter configuration commands, one per line. End with CNTL/Z. c3660(config)#port fastethernet 0/0 ^ % Invalid input detected at '^' marker. c3660(config)#interface fastethernet 0/0 c3660(config-if)#^Z c3660#SEE!? % Unrecognized command c3660#SEE! -humboldt Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=16867t=16843 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A new networking term - thoughts? [7:16668]
Since we are talking about new networking terms you coined one the other day Priscilla. It was in the splitting the group string. You described people coming on this list, asking horribly worded questions, that were probably quickly brain-dumped to a palm pilot then regurgitated here. This is after a booming failure. So that is a new networking/list term. Palm-Pilot English. And the coin is yours. Don P.S. That busted me up!! - Original Message - From: Priscilla Oppenheimer To: Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 10:29 AM Subject: Re: A new networking term - thoughts? [7:16668] At 11:59 PM 8/21/01, Tony Medeiros wrote: I always thought split horizon was a non intuitive term anyway. iBGP or whatever. Some engineers come up with the strangest names for things. Split horizon implys there is a big tree that is obstructing my view of the sunset. :0 Is it a spanning tree? ;-) I like the term split horizon and agree with the idea of using it generically. I encourage the generic use of most terms so that people think about what they really mean. See a discussion we had earlier about distance vector, for example. For spanning tree, I like the way Radia Perlman puts it: The purpose of the spanning tree algorithm is to have bridges dynamically discover a subset of the topology that is loop-free (a tree) and yet has enough connectivity so that where physically possible, there is a path between every pair of LANs (the tree is spanning). I'm not sure I had ever thought about why the word spanning is in the phrase. And I would add to her description: A tree is a mathematical concept. A tree is a diagram or graph that branches from a single stem without forming loops or polygons. A lot of people learn these terms without understanding them. And, back to the subject, I think split horizon can be used in this situation, even though it's a bit different and the horizons aren't quite the same. Priscilla (wishing she was looking over the Hawaiian horizon about now. ;-) Tony M. (Split personnality) - Original Message - From: Chuck Larrieu To: Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 8:13 PM Subject: RE: A new networking term - thoughts? [7:16668] I thought I was fairly careful in stating that with iBGP split-horizon, an iBGP router will not advertise a route to the same AS from which it receives the route. This covers the interface issue. Chuck whose mama didn't raise no fool, and whose lawyer wife has taught him the hard way about wording things ;- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ole Drews Jensen Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 8:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: A new networking term - thoughts? [7:16668] Chuck, I think there's a difference here. Split Horizon as you say, does not advertise a route back out the interface that it received it on, but the iBGP does not only not propagate a route learned from other iBGP out the receiving interface, but it does not propagate it out any interfaces unless it has been setup as a cluster server. If you would name this, it would probably be something like iBGP horizon :-) Just my 0010 cents. Ole ~~~ Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ http://www.RouterChief.com ~~~ NEED A JOB ??? http://www.oledrews.com/job ~~~ -Original Message- From: Chuck Larrieu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 10:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: A new networking term - thoughts? [7:16668] As a result of an off-list conversation, I came across the following networking term: iBGP split horizon my first reaction was a sarcastic remark about never having come across the term in the RFC's. but then I got to thinking about it, and I now see this as a descriptive and quite useful term. recall that distance vector protocols are subject to the rule of split horizon. they do not advertise a route back out the interface that they received that particular route. one of the gotchas of iBGP is the fact that iBGP routers do not propagate routes learned from one iBGP neighbor to other iBGP neighbors. hence the requirement for iBGP full mesh. so why not call this iBGP split horizon? and define it as follows: an iBGP router will not advertise a route back out the same AS from which it learned the route? does this make sense? worth letting this one join the lexicon of networking terminology? Chuck Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at:
Re: What Router for Routing Between VLANS [7:16609]
I believe any router will route between VLANS, if you want to use the same interface I believe it has to be FE. - Original Message - From: Circusnuts To: Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 7:23 PM Subject: What Router for Routing Between VLANS [7:16609] I have lent out my CCNP books do not remember all the router models that can route between VLAN's. I currently have a 4700M doing the job, but wanted to know if a 2600 would route them. Thanks Phil Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=16648t=16609 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Associate and Professional Email Lists [7:16217]
Tony I sit my written tomorrow at 3pm and if I pass I can't wait to get on that boring list - Original Message - From: Tony Medeiros To: Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 9:09 PM Subject: Re: Associate and Professional Email Lists [7:16217] Let's keep the list the same, I my opinion, The mix of cert. posts along with the real world stuff make's it interesting. Plus, it give the higher level people a chance to help out their fellow man/women. The CCIE list has gotten so test centric it's got boring. I like to take as well as to learn Sure your going to get low level questions. Just ignore them and let the junior guys get a trill out of helping another person Tony ME. #6172. - Original Message - From: Chuck Larrieu To: Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 11:31 AM Subject: RE: Associate and Professional Email Lists [7:16217] Not that I disagree, Don, but this has been a source of annoyance for many folks for as long as I've been on the list ( around 2 years. ) two points: 1) sometimes some of these work related scenarios provide good learning points 2) people ask these kinds of questions on all the lists, no matter what. The CCIE list would get it's fair share of this kind of question as well. without having the list 100% moderated, with all messages being reviewed, there is no practical way to stop this. and sometimes there is something to be learned that is applicable to one's studies. Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Donald B Johnson jr Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 9:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Associate and Professional Email Lists [7:16217] I think that if there is a split, all these questions concerning work should be split out. It is supposed to be about group study not group consulting. Over the time that I have been here there seems to be a growing number of narrowly worded questions to bail someone out at work, and this individual doesn't even seem to consult CCO most of the time, even though they are supporting a Cisco platform. The culture here seems to support and highly respect the intellectual property of others, which I whole-heartedly agree, but it shows a lack of respect for those who consult for a living. I personally like giving so called flames to people who are looking for free consulting work to hide there apparent laziness. Just like everyone chimes in when someone comes here and tries to sell certzone labs gets blasted. I wish that blatant my boss wants me to set up a central frame hub and six spoke network what should I do should get blasted or pointed to place where people can consult for food. Paul any e-mail that has boss in it should get an automated stock reply, check CCO, call cisco, buy gear, have cisco SE set it up, have a nice day. Now I know people are going to say that this is how they learn by posting real world questions and this is true but it is the blatant ones that I am talking about. Oh and keep this in mind that the people answering the these so called learning experiences didn't just know the answer, at some point they had to check CCO, contact Cisco, buy gear, work with Cisco SE, have a nice day. - Original Message - From: Priscilla Oppenheimer To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 7:40 PM Subject: Re: Associate and Professional Email Lists [7:16217] When I go on vaction I unsubscribe and then subscribe again. Would all my messages go in the moderator's queue when I subscribed again? That would be annoying for the moderator (and for me. ;-) Other than that, I think it's a good idea to have messages from a new subscriber go through the moderator for a while. As I'm sure you have considered, it's not a very scalable idea, though. I hope you don't divide the group again. The general networking questions are helpful to those studying for CCNP and CCDP. The diversity of messages (except for the flames, of course) are good for learning and represent the real world better than if we just got questions about passing scores, etc. Thanks again for all you do for us! Priscilla At 12:02 PM 8/17/01, Paul Borghese wrote: With an open group, you are going to have your share of noise. Everyone's ides of noise is different. For example, to many this very e-mail is noise because it is not directly on subject. But there are some things we can do to help lessen the noise. They are on my to-do list, just have been too busy.: 1. Comprehensive FAQ - we need a new faq that can answer the questions that are asked over and over again. 2. Split out the professional group from the general networking group. 3. Setup a system where new users can not post directly to the group - This is the most difficult of the three ideas
Re: For FR Grus.... [7:16635]
How do you set up a sw as a full mesh and a network as a HUB and Spoke. I dont understand. - Original Message - From: Cisco Lover To: Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:08 AM Subject: Fwd: For FR Grus [7:16635] Oopss Sorry guys...I donto know where it lost in b/w..Any way..I have write it here again. Thanks for the kind replies.. For eg, our FR switch is setup for Full mesh,But out network is setup as Hub Spoke environment.In that case there must be some unused DLCI's on spoke routers which we would still be seeing as active on these routers although they would be of no use offcourse for this envioronmetnt. Is there any way If we can get rid of these DLCIS on the spokes.i.e to disable them or USE any method which block them to be appearing on spoek routers.(without touching FR switch) I know Must be confusing for majority here ..But .. I AM SURE I WILL GET THE SOLUTION HERE AS WELL. Thanks. From: Cisco Lover Reply-To: Cisco Lover To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: For FR Grus [7:16635] Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 07:06:08 -0400 Hi Guys.. Come with some New Queston.. For eg, our FR switch is setup for Full mesh,But out network is setup as Hub Spoke FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=1t=16635 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus.... [7:16635]) [7:16681]
I don't think bridge will work on this network because of split horizon. - Original Message - From: Brian To: Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:51 AM Subject: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus [7:16635]) [7:16659] On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Cisco Lover wrote: Hi Guys.. Come with some New Queston.. hmm, ok, so your looking for some challenging questions? Ok, I will post one, its got FR in it. First I'll post the problem, followed by the config: THE PROBLEM === Users on DLCI's 200, 224, 201, 225 cannot communicate to eachother. They can talk just fine to the rest of the network, but no packets can pass between them. Later discovery reveals that so long as they are on different layer 3 network addressing, communcation can occur, but if they are on the same network, such as 192.168.3.0, then they cannot communicate What is the problem? I will reply to let everyone know who got the correct answer. Below is the configuration: ! version 11.3 ! interface Ethernet2/0 ip address 192.168.1.242 255.255.255.0 ! interface Serial4/0 no ip address encapsulation frame-relay IETF keepalive 15 frame-relay map bridge 200 broadcast IETF frame-relay map bridge 224 broadcast IETF frame-relay map bridge 201 broadcast IETF frame-relay map bridge 225 broadcast IETF frame-relay lmi-type ansi bridge-group 1 ! interface BVI1 ip address 192.168.3.242 255.255.255.0 secondary ip address 192.168.2.242 255.255.255.0 ! router igrp 1 network 192.1.0.0 network 192.2.0.0 network 193.3.0.0 ! ip classless ! bridge irb bridge 1 protocol ieee bridge 1 route ip ! For eg, our FR switch is setup for Full mesh,But out network is setup as Hub Spoke FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- I'm buying / selling used CISCO gear!! email me for a quote Brian Feeny, CCIE #8036 Scarlett Parria [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 318-213-4709 318-213-4701 Netjam, LLC http://www.netjam.net 333 Texas St.VISA/MC/AMEX/COD Suite 1401 30 day warranty Shreveport, LA 71101 Cisco Channel Partner toll free: 866-2NETJAM phone:318-212-0245 fax:318-212-0246 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=16681t=16681 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus.... [7:16635]) [7:16695]
yeah but he is using irb with a bvi and igrp it is probably a split h issue it creating a loopa - Original Message - From: McCallum, Robert To: 'Donald B Johnson jr' ; Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 9:26 AM Subject: RE: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus [7:16635]) [7:16681] you can correct me here if I am wrong but split horizon is only used in distance vector protocols NO??? The problem here without giving the answer is that a router is expected to pass a packet out of an interface which is on its own subnet !! Doesn't compute! What is the routing protocol being used to route ip?? This is where the answer will lye -Original Message- From: Donald B Johnson jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 21 August 2001 17:06 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus [7:16635]) [7:16681] I don't think bridge will work on this network because of split horizon. - Original Message - From: Brian To: Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:51 AM Subject: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus [7:16635]) [7:16659] On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Cisco Lover wrote: Hi Guys.. Come with some New Queston.. hmm, ok, so your looking for some challenging questions? Ok, I will post one, its got FR in it. First I'll post the problem, followed by the config: THE PROBLEM === Users on DLCI's 200, 224, 201, 225 cannot communicate to eachother. They can talk just fine to the rest of the network, but no packets can pass between them. Later discovery reveals that so long as they are on different layer 3 network addressing, communcation can occur, but if they are on the same network, such as 192.168.3.0, then they cannot communicate What is the problem? I will reply to let everyone know who got the correct answer. Below is the configuration: ! version 11.3 ! interface Ethernet2/0 ip address 192.168.1.242 255.255.255.0 ! interface Serial4/0 no ip address encapsulation frame-relay IETF keepalive 15 frame-relay map bridge 200 broadcast IETF frame-relay map bridge 224 broadcast IETF frame-relay map bridge 201 broadcast IETF frame-relay map bridge 225 broadcast IETF frame-relay lmi-type ansi bridge-group 1 ! interface BVI1 ip address 192.168.3.242 255.255.255.0 secondary ip address 192.168.2.242 255.255.255.0 ! router igrp 1 network 192.1.0.0 network 192.2.0.0 network 193.3.0.0 ! ip classless ! bridge irb bridge 1 protocol ieee bridge 1 route ip ! For eg, our FR switch is setup for Full mesh,But out network is setup as Hub Spoke FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- I'm buying / selling used CISCO gear!! email me for a quote Brian Feeny, CCIE #8036 Scarlett Parria [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 318-213-4709 318-213-4701 Netjam, LLC http://www.netjam.net 333 Texas St.VISA/MC/AMEX/COD Suite 1401 30 day warranty Shreveport, LA 71101 Cisco Channel Partner toll free: 866-2NETJAM phone:318-212-0245 fax:318-212-0246 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=16695t=16695 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Training [7:16684]
I have a five year old that could probably teach that ultimate hacking. Cause he is my number one flea. - Original Message - From: John Chang To: Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 9:17 AM Subject: Training [7:16684] Ultimate Hacking New York, NY 08/28/01 08/31/01 $3995 San Jose, CA 09/11/01 09/14/01 $3995 Boston, MA 09/18/01 09/21/01 $3995 Irvine, CA 10/08/01 10/11/01 $3995 NT/2000 Security New York, NY 09/25/01 09/27/01 $2500 Irvine, CA 12/11/01 12/13/01 $2500 Managing Cisco Network Security (MCNS) 9/17/2001 Irvine, CA Managing Cisco Network Security (MCNS) 9/24/2001 San Jose, CA Managing Cisco Network Security (MCNS) 10/1/2001 Denver, CO Managing Cisco Network Security (MCNS) 10/8/2001 Phoenix, AZ Managing Cisco Network Security (MCNS) 10/15/2001 Seattle-Bellevue, WA Managing Cisco Network Security (MCNS) 10/22/2001 Salt Lake City, UT Managing Cisco Network Security (MCNS) 10/29/2001 Irvine, CA Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=16699t=16684 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus.... [7:16635]) [7:16701]
yeah you got irb and bvi and igrp on same interface you are creating loops because SH is disabled - Original Message - From: Brian To: Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 9:35 AM Subject: Re: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus [7:16635]) [7:16687] On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Donald B Johnson jr wrote: I don't think bridge will work on this network because of split horizon. Can you be more clear about your answer? Brian - Original Message - From: Brian To: Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:51 AM Subject: CHALLENGE PROBLEM (was Re: For FR Grus [7:16635]) [7:16659] On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Cisco Lover wrote: Hi Guys.. Come with some New Queston.. hmm, ok, so your looking for some challenging questions? Ok, I will post one, its got FR in it. First I'll post the problem, followed by the config: THE PROBLEM === Users on DLCI's 200, 224, 201, 225 cannot communicate to eachother. They can talk just fine to the rest of the network, but no packets can pass between them. Later discovery reveals that so long as they are on different layer 3 network addressing, communcation can occur, but if they are on the same network, such as 192.168.3.0, then they cannot communicate What is the problem? I will reply to let everyone know who got the correct answer. Below is the configuration: ! version 11.3 ! interface Ethernet2/0 ip address 192.168.1.242 255.255.255.0 ! interface Serial4/0 no ip address encapsulation frame-relay IETF keepalive 15 frame-relay map bridge 200 broadcast IETF frame-relay map bridge 224 broadcast IETF frame-relay map bridge 201 broadcast IETF frame-relay map bridge 225 broadcast IETF frame-relay lmi-type ansi bridge-group 1 ! interface BVI1 ip address 192.168.3.242 255.255.255.0 secondary ip address 192.168.2.242 255.255.255.0 ! router igrp 1 network 192.1.0.0 network 192.2.0.0 network 193.3.0.0 ! ip classless ! bridge irb bridge 1 protocol ieee bridge 1 route ip ! For eg, our FR switch is setup for Full mesh,But out network is setup as Hub Spoke FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- I'm buying / selling used CISCO gear!! email me for a quote Brian Feeny, CCIE #8036 Scarlett Parria [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 318-213-4709 318-213-4701 Netjam, LLC http://www.netjam.net 333 Texas St.VISA/MC/AMEX/COD Suite 1401 30 day warranty Shreveport, LA 71101 Cisco Channel Partner toll free: 866-2NETJAM phone:318-212-0245 fax:318-212-0246 I'm buying / selling used CISCO gear!! email me for a quote Brian Feeny, CCIE #8036 Scarlett Parria [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 318-213-4709 318-213-4701 Netjam, LLC http://www.netjam.net 333 Texas St.VISA/MC/AMEX/COD Suite 1401 30 day warranty Shreveport, LA 71101 Cisco Channel Partner toll free: 866-2NETJAM phone:318-212-0245 fax:318-212-0246 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=16701t=16701 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Associate and Professional Email Lists [7:16217]
I think that if there is a split, all these questions concerning work should be split out. It is supposed to be about group study not group consulting. Over the time that I have been here there seems to be a growing number of narrowly worded questions to bail someone out at work, and this individual doesn't even seem to consult CCO most of the time, even though they are supporting a Cisco platform. The culture here seems to support and highly respect the intellectual property of others, which I whole-heartedly agree, but it shows a lack of respect for those who consult for a living. I personally like giving so called flames to people who are looking for free consulting work to hide there apparent laziness. Just like everyone chimes in when someone comes here and tries to sell certzone labs gets blasted. I wish that blatant my boss wants me to set up a central frame hub and six spoke network what should I do should get blasted or pointed to place where people can consult for food. Paul any e-mail that has boss in it should get an automated stock reply, check CCO, call cisco, buy gear, have cisco SE set it up, have a nice day. Now I know people are going to say that this is how they learn by posting real world questions and this is true but it is the blatant ones that I am talking about. Oh and keep this in mind that the people answering the these so called learning experiences didn't just know the answer, at some point they had to check CCO, contact Cisco, buy gear, work with Cisco SE, have a nice day. - Original Message - From: Priscilla Oppenheimer To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 7:40 PM Subject: Re: Associate and Professional Email Lists [7:16217] When I go on vaction I unsubscribe and then subscribe again. Would all my messages go in the moderator's queue when I subscribed again? That would be annoying for the moderator (and for me. ;-) Other than that, I think it's a good idea to have messages from a new subscriber go through the moderator for a while. As I'm sure you have considered, it's not a very scalable idea, though. I hope you don't divide the group again. The general networking questions are helpful to those studying for CCNP and CCDP. The diversity of messages (except for the flames, of course) are good for learning and represent the real world better than if we just got questions about passing scores, etc. Thanks again for all you do for us! Priscilla At 12:02 PM 8/17/01, Paul Borghese wrote: With an open group, you are going to have your share of noise. Everyone's ides of noise is different. For example, to many this very e-mail is noise because it is not directly on subject. But there are some things we can do to help lessen the noise. They are on my to-do list, just have been too busy.: 1. Comprehensive FAQ - we need a new faq that can answer the questions that are asked over and over again. 2. Split out the professional group from the general networking group. 3. Setup a system where new users can not post directly to the group - This is the most difficult of the three ideas and will require substantial coding. What I want is to have a system where when an e-mail arrives (or from the newsfeed or website), if the poster has not been approved, it gets bounced into the moderators queue. If the moderator (actually we will have many) agrees that the message is appropriate, the moderator will allow the message to pass. Plus if the moderator feels that the poster will continue to send interesting and valuable e-mails, the moderator can place the user in the automatic approval category so future e-mails will not need to be approved. The goal is to bounce new messages from first time posters, but allow the old-timers to post without moderation. Thus filtering the new user asking inappropriate questions and the occasional spam. Take care, Paul - Original Message - From: John Neiberger To: Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 6:05 PM Subject: Re: Associate and Professional Email Lists [7:16217] Yes, Paul did do a good job cutting down that traffic. I just noticed that in the last month or so there has been a slew of *really* basic questions that can be answered in the first two or three chapters of any decent CCNA study guide or by a 30 second search on CCO. I certainly don't mind answering these types of questions, I was just concerned that the purpose of the two separate lists was being undermined, causing a lot of unnecessary traffic. To me it's no different than posting jobs on the Associate or Professional lists. It may reach some of the right people, but it's not the appropriate place to post that type of information. Tom Lisa 8/15/01 3:19:55 PM Yes, John, there is an Associate list. We have a similar problem there as well. People keep insisting on asking CCNP/CCIE level questions on that list. However, people being the way they are, I
Network Address [7:16573]
Which Protocols suites don't bind a network address to a datalink address. NetBEUI, SNA? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=16573t=16573 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Based Network enquiry [7:16572]
A lot of that has to do with return plant design, we used to look at it as a number but now we consider nodes that feed an RPR, type of traffic, it really becomes a noise issue, you know the old funneling effect. Miles (of cable, not the guy by the water cooler) and condition of plant should also be in the mix. We also early on only looked at it as a number of HPs but now we factor in different varibles. This is also amplified by the fact that we are running other services in the return, and will continue to add services. This is relevant if you were talking about cable plant, if you were talking about how many pps the memory and processor can dump out the NSI, Nevermind.God I love DOCSIS. - Original Message - From: NKP To: Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 10:53 AM Subject: Cable Based Network enquiry [7:16572] Hi everyone , I would like to know if anyone has implemented a cable network on Cisco 7200 series . The main detail I am looking out for is information about the cable modem cards that Cisco provides , how many subscribers can we provide through each port on cable modem card . What are the hardware requirements for the cable solution . thanks in advance -- Navin Parwal Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=16591t=16572 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Associate and Professional Email Lists [7:16217]
And I agree that this will go on. My message sprang out of what Paul said, that he might split the general networking from the Professional group, and I agree with Priscilla that all are better served if they stay together. I think if anything should get split out it should be work related stuff. Then at least we would have an appropriate place to point them. - Original Message - From: Chuck Larrieu To: Donald B Johnson jr ; Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 10:41 AM Subject: RE: Associate and Professional Email Lists [7:16217] Not that I disagree, Don, but this has been a source of annoyance for many folks for as long as I've been on the list ( around 2 years. ) two points: 1) sometimes some of these work related scenarios provide good learning points 2) people ask these kinds of questions on all the lists, no matter what. The CCIE list would get it's fair share of this kind of question as well. without having the list 100% moderated, with all messages being reviewed, there is no practical way to stop this. and sometimes there is something to be learned that is applicable to one's studies. Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Donald B Johnson jr Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 9:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Associate and Professional Email Lists [7:16217] I think that if there is a split, all these questions concerning work should be split out. It is supposed to be about group study not group consulting. Over the time that I have been here there seems to be a growing number of narrowly worded questions to bail someone out at work, and this individual doesn't even seem to consult CCO most of the time, even though they are supporting a Cisco platform. The culture here seems to support and highly respect the intellectual property of others, which I whole-heartedly agree, but it shows a lack of respect for those who consult for a living. I personally like giving so called flames to people who are looking for free consulting work to hide there apparent laziness. Just like everyone chimes in when someone comes here and tries to sell certzone labs gets blasted. I wish that blatant my boss wants me to set up a central frame hub and six spoke network what should I do should get blasted or pointed to place where people can consult for food. Paul any e-mail that has boss in it should get an automated stock reply, check CCO, call cisco, buy gear, have cisco SE set it up, have a nice day. Now I know people are going to say that this is how they learn by posting real world questions and this is true but it is the blatant ones that I am talking about. Oh and keep this in mind that the people answering the these so called learning experiences didn't just know the answer, at some point they had to check CCO, contact Cisco, buy gear, work with Cisco SE, have a nice day. - Original Message - From: Priscilla Oppenheimer To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 7:40 PM Subject: Re: Associate and Professional Email Lists [7:16217] When I go on vaction I unsubscribe and then subscribe again. Would all my messages go in the moderator's queue when I subscribed again? That would be annoying for the moderator (and for me. ;-) Other than that, I think it's a good idea to have messages from a new subscriber go through the moderator for a while. As I'm sure you have considered, it's not a very scalable idea, though. I hope you don't divide the group again. The general networking questions are helpful to those studying for CCNP and CCDP. The diversity of messages (except for the flames, of course) are good for learning and represent the real world better than if we just got questions about passing scores, etc. Thanks again for all you do for us! Priscilla At 12:02 PM 8/17/01, Paul Borghese wrote: With an open group, you are going to have your share of noise. Everyone's ides of noise is different. For example, to many this very e-mail is noise because it is not directly on subject. But there are some things we can do to help lessen the noise. They are on my to-do list, just have been too busy.: 1. Comprehensive FAQ - we need a new faq that can answer the questions that are asked over and over again. 2. Split out the professional group from the general networking group. 3. Setup a system where new users can not post directly to the group - This is the most difficult of the three ideas and will require substantial coding. What I want is to have a system where when an e-mail arrives (or from the newsfeed or website), if the poster has not been approved, it gets bounced into the moderators queue. If the moderator (actually we will have many) agrees that the message is appropriate, the moderator will allow the message to pass. Plus if the moderator feels that the poster will continue to send interesting
Re: DB60-DB25 Cable Configuration - Urgent [7:16347]
cisco.com - Original Message - From: mishaal To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 1:02 AM Subject: DB60-DB25 Cable Configuration - Urgent [7:16347] hi all, Does anyone have any info/links on the cable configuration for the DB60-D25 male female, pls don't suggest purchasing one, it's costly enough... tks. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=16363t=16347 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CISCO Recommended Guidelines [7:16397]
right before I am going to leave on a friday too. I think the only true cisco guideline is to buy their gear exclusively. :) At least that is what our SE keeps telling us. - Original Message - From: Fanglo To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 9:35 AM Subject: CISCO Recommended Guidelines [7:16397] Dear Group, I'm studying CCDA and come across many cisco recommended guideline when test with Boson test. However, I cannot find out the so called guidelines from CISCO's site. Would anyone point out some source in web? TIA, Fanglo Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=16416t=16397 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Associate and Professional Email Lists [7:16217]
Answers inline - Original Message - From: Ole Drews Jensen To: Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 2:56 PM Subject: RE: Associate and Professional Email Lists [7:16217] A solution to this could be an application dialog with one or more questions like: How do you connect two 2501's back to back? A) With a big screw B) With a DB60-to-DB60 cable C) With super glue D) Connect pin 18 from serial 0 to the power outlet My answer is A B C What do you also need to do after you have connected them? A) Unmount the LED's B) Shorten all pins in the console interface C) Set clock rate on the router configured as DCE D) Execute the command deltree /y c:\windows My answer is D. That is one of those situationalchoose the tricky answer questions Should the applicant get any of these wrong, he/she would be automatically signed up on the Associate list. I'm just kidding of course, but that would probably take care of at least one side of the problem. P.S. Don't try the last solution in question 2 unless you're sick and tired of Windows. Ole ~~~ Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ http://www.RouterChief.com ~~~ NEED A JOB ??? http://www.oledrews.com/job ~~~ -Original Message- From: Tom Lisa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 4:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Associate and Professional Email Lists [7:16217] Yes, John, there is an Associate list. We have a similar problem there as well. People keep insisting on asking CCNP/CCIE level questions on that list. However, people being the way they are, I doubt we will ever solve the problem completely. But, you got to admit that Paul at least cut down on the volume of CCNA level traffic on this list. Prof. Tom Lisa, CCAI Community College of Southern Nevada Cisco Regional Networking Academy John Neiberger wrote: Excuse me for this rant. I'm not trying to be the content cop, I just wanted to make an observation. Do we no longer have an Associate list as well as the Professional list? We've been getting horrendous numbers of emails lately that simply do not belong on this list. If you don't know how to connect a PC to a router using the console cable or how to connect two routers back-to-back, it seems to me that you should ask those types of questions on the CCNA-level list, not the CCNP-level list. I'm not intending to come down too hard on people asking these questions, I'm just asking that you post to the appropriate list. The Associate mailing list is intended for the simpler questions, while the Professional list is intended for those with slighly more advanced questions. I understand that we tend to grant a *lot* of leeway when it comes to subject matter, but the level of the question should still be appropriate to the list it's posted to. Okay, enough ranting. :-) Back to our regular programming Regards, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=16276t=16217 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Switching question [7:16284]
What kind of connection to the internet do you have. Dial-up DSL CM ISDN - Original Message - From: newbie newbie To: Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 7:58 AM Subject: Switching question [7:16284] Hello all. I have a quick question. I am trying to connect to the internet using a switch. I have plug the ethernet cable into port 5 and my lab tops are connected to ports 1 and 3. How do i share the connection using the switch? I know this sounds trivial but I am a newbie at this whole routing stuff. Please let me know Thanks James Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=16297t=16284 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cisco [7:16263]
if you got access to CCO you can access the sim for free Thank You, Donald B Johnson Jr Engineering/Technical Operations Corporate Manager Technical Support Services Adelphia Communications Corp. P# 888-277-6872 support line Pg# 866-690-9276 pager P# 814-260-3259 office F# 814-260-3227 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Dave Nachman To: Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 8:54 AM Subject: Re: cisco [7:16263] SIMS are good, but nothing compares to actual equipment. Try these sites... For purchace, you can get good prices on WWW.ebay.com, or buy direct from a reseller at www.iqsale.com. If you dont' have the cash for real equipment use the Mentor Labs - V-labs @ www.mentorlabs.com Their prices are high, but the service is execlent. You get real equipment to use and specific tasks to complete. Hope this helps. Dave Nachman www.davenetworks.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=16306t=16263 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apology for: MCSE in 2 Weeks or CCNA/CCDA in 6 days [7:16169]
Hey I just talked to a buddy that just got back from their last class. He said that the camp was awesome and that it ran for over 16 hours everyday for 16 days. He also said that the instructor was a double CCIE that was knowledgeable, patient, and easy to work with. My buddy described it as more of a CCIE lab type training than a CCNP class, echoing your thought about not just covering the esoteric test facts but providing excellent hands-on labs, covering all the phy stuff including modem to modem connections with a tone generator, ISDN, all flavors of serial, and ATM. Of course all the major protocol stuff (RIP, the GRP's, OSPF, IS-IS, AND OF COURSE BGP) including multiple area and AS labs, mutual redistribution, policy based, extended lists both IP and IPX, traffic shaping, DDR, Dial-Backup and the list went on. Another issue; I'm am under the impression that this list is moderated so if it got through anybody can comment on it. So why don't y'all grow some hair and give the moderators an ear full not Jeremy. Yah That'll happen. - Original Message - From: Wright, Jeremy To: Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 12:58 PM Subject: RE: Apology for: MCSE in 2 Weeks or CCNA/CCDA in 6 days [7:16080] I apologize to everyone on the list for the message about the camp. MY MISTAKE. Please note that Bellanca has never made a mistake. Thank you. -Original Message- From: Bellanca Smythe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 2:32 PM To: Wright, Jeremy; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Apology for: MCSE in 2 Weeks or CCNA/CCDA in 6 days [7:16076] You receive a message that looks like this: -Original Message- From: Ron Rubens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 10:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: MCSE in 2 Weeks or CCNA/CCDA in 6 days ** Get your MCSE in 2 Weeks or CCNA / CCDA in 6 days for the lowest price ever. We are blowing out the last seats in our August and September classes. CALL NOW! (800) 330-1446 www.intenseschool.com ** And you think it's from groupstudy? You must really think people on this list are stupid. I think you owe the entire group an apology for your latest directions for those that commented about you spamming the list. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Wright, Jeremy Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 1:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE:Apology for: MCSE in 2 Weeks or CCNA/CCDA in 6 days [7:16076] I received this message about the bootcamp in my personal email and thought it was from the cisco groupstudy list. So I responded with my comments about the camp to the list, my mistake. Everyone who responded is so uptight. Maybe try having a drink or an enema or somethingit's just a message..I'm sorry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=16169t=16169 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
lab fee [7:16214]
Why is the lab fee different for each site. Any thoughts Don Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=16214t=16214 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: lab fee [7:16214]
Just thought that was odd, usually it would be a set fee. But then again would a Brussels national have to pay the tax. I don't know it hurts my brain. I guess some of these countries have Office Consultive of Lab Fee Taxation they probably wear uniforms and have clipboards. - Original Message - From: John Neiberger To: Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 12:24 PM Subject: Re: lab fee [7:16214] From CCO: How much does the CCIE Lab Exam cost? The CCIE Lab Exam costs $1250.00 (U.S. Dollars) per candidate, per attempt. Please note that rates may vary due to currency exchange and local taxes. Is that what you're referring to? Or are you getting this information from somewhere else? John Donald B Johnson jr 8/15/01 12:58:16 PM Why is the lab fee different for each site. Any thoughts Don Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=16225t=16214 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
