OT: CCIE LAB equipment for sale in Germany (EU) [7:75048]
hi all, selling my ccie lab equipment ... will accept offers from germany/europe because I'm located in germany (munich) the equipment is used only a couple of days and can be regarded as new(except of the 2503 and cat2901) pls make offers via email thanks monti R1: 2610(16/48) 1 eth , WIC-2T R2: 2620(16/64) 1 feth, WIC-1T R3: 2620(16/64) 1 feth, WIC-1T, 1 ISDN BRI R4: 2610(16/48) 1 eth , WIC-2T R5: 2611(16/64) 2 eth , 2 WIC-2T (as FR Switch) R6: 2503 (16/16) 1 eth , 2 Serial, 1 ISDN BRI R7: AS2511-RJ (16/16) CAT2901 (4/20) IOS 12.1.15T 19 Rack Cable Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=75048t=75048 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
CCIE Lab date swap in San Jose [7:74611]
I'm scheduled to take the CCIE RS lab on 9/15. I would like to exchange with any later lab date. Please contact me asap if you're interested in swapping the lab date. James Pham Network Engineer MAINTECH 714-283-7358 (Work) 714-401-1435 (Mobil) Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=74611t=74611 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
Re: CCIE Lab Setup [7:73612]
It is for RS (ccie) Thanks From: Nakul Malik Reply-To: Nakul Malik To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Setup [7:73612] Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 16:00:46 GMT Which track are you studying for? If you need a PIX and like most of us cant afford to buy everything you need for your lab, i would suggest building your own. I dont know how this stands legally, but from a technical aspect it is possible to build your own PIX clone. You can find detailed documentation on the net on how to do this. -Nakul David Power wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I have three 2500 routers (2x2503 and 1x2514) with the budget of 1000$ I am planning to buy some more routers for my CCIE home lab. Which routers or switches I must have ( with in my $ limits or couple hundred more). Every suggestion will be appreciated David _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73620t=73612 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
RE: CCNP and future CCIE lab setup [7:73696]
I think they're suggesting that you make a short cross-over male to female cable (instead of the standard male to male patch cable). The idea being that you could still use your standard patch cables and where a cross-over cable was required and simply connect the short cross-over to one end. Does this clear it up for you or are you more confused? ~~ R. Benjamin Kessler Network Engineer CCIE #8762, CISSP, CCSE Kessler Consulting Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kesslerconsulting.com Phone: 260-625-3273 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 5:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCNP and future CCIE lab setup [7:73696] I honestly do not know what you are referring to. A plug on one side and a jack on the other? I am probably missing something simple but nothing rings a bell!!! Of course, I am a girl from Thailand and maybe my slang English is not up to par. Hee hee Can you please explain what that is about? **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73762t=73696 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
RE: CCNP and future CCIE lab setup [7:73696]
May I suggest making some very short ones with a plug on one end and a jack on the other. Make it at least 1 meter if you want to be in spec... Fred Reimer - CCNA Eclipsys Corporation, 200 Ashford Center North, Atlanta, GA 30338 Phone: 404-847-5177 Cell: 770-490-3071 Pager: 888-260-2050 NOTICE; This email contains confidential or proprietary information which may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the named recipient(s). If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected the email, please notify the author by replying to this message. If you are not the named recipient, you are not authorized to use, disclose, distribute, copy, print or rely on this email, and should immediately delete it from your computer. -Original Message- From: Daniel Cotts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 11:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCNP and future CCIE lab setup [7:73696] You have a great start. Let's consider what you have. The 2500s are great. In time, you will want to load an Enterprise version of IOS. That requires 16 MB Flash and 16 MB DRAM. There are many sources of third party DRAM and Flash - check the archives. You didn't say if the 2600s had any WIC cards. Two WIC-1Ts in each would be great. I recently bought several at an average price of $50 each. Just be patient. Again, verify how much Flash and DRAM you need for all your routers to run the images you want. Back-to-back serial cables. Again several sources. I have purchased from Bob Lowery, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good prices and great service. Length depends on how you group your routers. Three foot (one meter) is handy if the routers are close together. Six foot or ten foot might also be useful. Ethernet cables. You'll want some crossover cables. May I suggest making some very short ones with a plug on one end and a jack on the other. Then add a regular patch cord of the desired length to meet your needs. Consider racking your equipment. Besides the full height racks you may have at work, there are short portable racks made for musicians. The rack is part of a shipping container. The discussions about these on groupstudy indicated they were quite reasonably priced. If you start with Routing, I would think that you have everything you need. I'll assume, without checking, that the 8 A/S module has DB-60 interfaces. Later when you do Remote Access an ISDN simulator would be a great addition. CCO has many resources. There are many great books. Consider some of those mentioned often on the list. Doyle Routing TCP/IP Vols I and II, Cisco LAN Switching by Clark and Hamilton, the Cisco Press books for the Networking Academy courses, etc. Good luck and have fun. -Original Message- From: Natchaya Radhikulkaralak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 6:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCNP and future CCIE lab setup [7:73696] Like the other person previously... I am trying to build a lab. I am personally starting my Cisco track but I have recieved some routers from my work. I personally have 2-2501, 3-2503, 1-2504, 1-as2511-rj(which I dont know how to use), 1-2611, 1-2612, 1-3640 w/ 8 a/s module: 2ME-2W module: 4-port ISDN Bri module (dont know module name), 2-2912, 1-2950. Can you also give me any suggestions? Larus has mentioned a backbone router but isnt the 3640 sufficient? Overall... is there anything else that i need to improve this other than 3550 switches which are way out of my budget!!!? **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73740t=73696 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
2x2610 vs 2600 + 3640: WAS Re: CCIE Lab Setup [7:73612]
Vijay Ramcharan wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Not exactly related to this but... Are there any drawbacks to using (2) 2610s for a lab instead of a 2600 and a 3640 router? JMHO, what you should be looking for is sufficient ports to run complex practice scenarios and routers capable of running the IOS version that is current in the Lab. \specific models may or may not be of importance. ( as an aside, I laugh my ass off every time I read a post from someone expressing worry about the announced changes in IOS and addition of a 3725 to the Lab. At least when the 3550 switch was introduced there was reason for some apprehension, ans nono of the rental racks had a 3550 in them ). after all, a router is a router, and the routing protocol commands will work exactly the same on a 25xx, 26xx, 36xx, etc. I'm currently focusing on 12.2.something.Tsomething 12.2.15(T5) maybe -everything is off at the moment. I don't know about the 2610, but the 2611 is capable of running dot1q and ISL trunks, plus if you use the enterprise basic image you can do IS-IS, BGP, and MPLS. Vijay Ramcharan -Original Message- From: Natchaya Radhikulkaralak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 7:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Setup [7:73612] Doesnt the vConsole ISDN simulator able to use SPIDs? Even though it is 525 dollars... I thought it did use spids. When you state to use a backbone router... what do you mean? Thomas Larus wrote: With $1,000 dollars, I would first buy a 4 port frame switch router, perhaps a 2520. I say 2520, not 2521 (Token ring), because the ethernet port on the 2520 allows it to serve as an additional router-- perhaps a backbone router that you would connect to using ethernet. $200-$300, if you are lucky. A 4500 with a NP-4T might be even better (but loud!!) This will take perhaps 300 dollars or so. You could add another 4 serial ints and/or a bunch of ethernet ints, and this could definitely serve as a full-fledged lab router as well as a frame switch. If you can find a cheap ISDN simulator (vConsole or Euro ISDN PBX gizmo that only does Basic-Net3 and no spids) for $400-500, you probably ought to buy it, since you already have two ISDN capable routers. Then a 1900 or 2820 switch for $100 to $200 so you have a VLAN-capable switch. If you have enough money left over, you could pick up one more 2501. (Always buy a 2503 or 2514 if you can get it for a little more than a 2501, of course.) It's not a first-rate lab, but it is enough of you to learn a lot of the most difficult lessons. You could go for more routers and no ISDN sim, but ISDN can be such a tricky technology it is worth spending a lot of time on. This is a close call, though. Tom Larus, CCIE #10,014 David Power wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I have three 2500 routers (2x2503 and 1x2514) with the budget of 1000$ I am planning to buy some more routers for my CCIE home lab. Which routers or switches I must have ( with in my $ limits or couple hundred more). Every suggestion will be appreciated David _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73855t=73612 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
RE: CCNP and future CCIE lab setup [7:73696]
You have a great start. Let's consider what you have. The 2500s are great. In time, you will want to load an Enterprise version of IOS. That requires 16 MB Flash and 16 MB DRAM. There are many sources of third party DRAM and Flash - check the archives. You didn't say if the 2600s had any WIC cards. Two WIC-1Ts in each would be great. I recently bought several at an average price of $50 each. Just be patient. Again, verify how much Flash and DRAM you need for all your routers to run the images you want. Back-to-back serial cables. Again several sources. I have purchased from Bob Lowery, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good prices and great service. Length depends on how you group your routers. Three foot (one meter) is handy if the routers are close together. Six foot or ten foot might also be useful. Ethernet cables. You'll want some crossover cables. May I suggest making some very short ones with a plug on one end and a jack on the other. Then add a regular patch cord of the desired length to meet your needs. Consider racking your equipment. Besides the full height racks you may have at work, there are short portable racks made for musicians. The rack is part of a shipping container. The discussions about these on groupstudy indicated they were quite reasonably priced. If you start with Routing, I would think that you have everything you need. I'll assume, without checking, that the 8 A/S module has DB-60 interfaces. Later when you do Remote Access an ISDN simulator would be a great addition. CCO has many resources. There are many great books. Consider some of those mentioned often on the list. Doyle Routing TCP/IP Vols I and II, Cisco LAN Switching by Clark and Hamilton, the Cisco Press books for the Networking Academy courses, etc. Good luck and have fun. -Original Message- From: Natchaya Radhikulkaralak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 6:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCNP and future CCIE lab setup [7:73696] Like the other person previously... I am trying to build a lab. I am personally starting my Cisco track but I have recieved some routers from my work. I personally have 2-2501, 3-2503, 1-2504, 1-as2511-rj(which I dont know how to use), 1-2611, 1-2612, 1-3640 w/ 8 a/s module: 2ME-2W module: 4-port ISDN Bri module (dont know module name), 2-2912, 1-2950. Can you also give me any suggestions? Larus has mentioned a backbone router but isnt the 3640 sufficient? Overall... is there anything else that i need to improve this other than 3550 switches which are way out of my budget!!!? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73734t=73696 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
RE: CCNP and future CCIE lab setup [7:73696]
I think he is referring to a RJ45 jack on one end, and a RJ45 connector on the other, so that you can turn a normal patch cable into a cross-over cable. I'd actually suggest plugging all of the router Ethernet ports into a switch so that you can create VLANs and match two routers up in an ad-hoc kind of way remotely... Fred Reimer - CCNA Eclipsys Corporation, 200 Ashford Center North, Atlanta, GA 30338 Phone: 404-847-5177 Cell: 770-490-3071 Pager: 888-260-2050 NOTICE; This email contains confidential or proprietary information which may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the named recipient(s). If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected the email, please notify the author by replying to this message. If you are not the named recipient, you are not authorized to use, disclose, distribute, copy, print or rely on this email, and should immediately delete it from your computer. -Original Message- From: Natchaya Radhikulkaralak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 6:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCNP and future CCIE lab setup [7:73696] I honestly do not know what you are referring to. A plug on one side and a jack on the other? I am probably missing something simple but nothing rings a bell!!! Of course, I am a girl from Thailand and maybe my slang English is not up to par. Hee hee Can you please explain what that is about? **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73763t=73696 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
RE: 2x2610 vs 2600 + 3640: WAS Re: CCIE Lab Setup [7:73612]
On this same thread... What are the recommendations for ATM lab hardware? Can ATM be practiced with ATM ports connected back-to-back or is it necessary to get an ATM switch also? Thanks. Vijay Ramcharan -Original Message- From: Chuck Whose Road is Ever Shorter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 11:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 2x2610 vs 2600 + 3640: WAS Re: CCIE Lab Setup [7:73612] Vijay Ramcharan wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Not exactly related to this but... Are there any drawbacks to using (2) 2610s for a lab instead of a 2600 and a 3640 router? JMHO, what you should be looking for is sufficient ports to run complex practice scenarios and routers capable of running the IOS version that is current in the Lab. \specific models may or may not be of importance. ( as an aside, I laugh my ass off every time I read a post from someone expressing worry about the announced changes in IOS and addition of a 3725 to the Lab. At least when the 3550 switch was introduced there was reason for some apprehension, ans nono of the rental racks had a 3550 in them ). after all, a router is a router, and the routing protocol commands will work exactly the same on a 25xx, 26xx, 36xx, etc. I'm currently focusing on 12.2.something.Tsomething 12.2.15(T5) maybe -everything is off at the moment. I don't know about the 2610, but the 2611 is capable of running dot1q and ISL trunks, plus if you use the enterprise basic image you can do IS-IS, BGP, and MPLS. Vijay Ramcharan -Original Message- From: Natchaya Radhikulkaralak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 7:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Setup [7:73612] Doesnt the vConsole ISDN simulator able to use SPIDs? Even though it is 525 dollars... I thought it did use spids. When you state to use a backbone router... what do you mean? Thomas Larus wrote: With $1,000 dollars, I would first buy a 4 port frame switch router, perhaps a 2520. I say 2520, not 2521 (Token ring), because the ethernet port on the 2520 allows it to serve as an additional router-- perhaps a backbone router that you would connect to using ethernet. $200-$300, if you are lucky. A 4500 with a NP-4T might be even better (but loud!!) This will take perhaps 300 dollars or so. You could add another 4 serial ints and/or a bunch of ethernet ints, and this could definitely serve as a full-fledged lab router as well as a frame switch. If you can find a cheap ISDN simulator (vConsole or Euro ISDN PBX gizmo that only does Basic-Net3 and no spids) for $400-500, you probably ought to buy it, since you already have two ISDN capable routers. Then a 1900 or 2820 switch for $100 to $200 so you have a VLAN-capable switch. If you have enough money left over, you could pick up one more 2501. (Always buy a 2503 or 2514 if you can get it for a little more than a 2501, of course.) It's not a first-rate lab, but it is enough of you to learn a lot of the most difficult lessons. You could go for more routers and no ISDN sim, but ISDN can be such a tricky technology it is worth spending a lot of time on. This is a close call, though. Tom Larus, CCIE #10,014 David Power wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I have three 2500 routers (2x2503 and 1x2514) with the budget of 1000$ I am planning to buy some more routers for my CCIE home lab. Which routers or switches I must have ( with in my $ limits or couple hundred more). Every suggestion will be appreciated David _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73918t=73612 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
RE: 2x2610 vs 2600 + 3640: WAS Re: CCIE Lab Setup [7:73612]
From what I have heard, you are not asked to configure ATM switches, so back to back connection would be ok. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73930t=73612 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
RE: CCNP and future CCIE lab setup [7:73696]
I honestly do not know what you are referring to. A plug on one side and a jack on the other? I am probably missing something simple but nothing rings a bell!!! Of course, I am a girl from Thailand and maybe my slang English is not up to par. Hee hee Can you please explain what that is about? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73760t=73696 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
RE: 2x2610 vs 2600 + 3640: WAS Re: CCIE Lab Setup [7:73953]
Since you don't have any access to the ATM switch on the exam it follows that you don't need to know how to configure it. There are things such as ILMI/QSAAL with auto pvc discovery that may not function the same on a point to point link versus having a switch in the middle. Just a thought. Ian http://www.ccie4u.com Rack Rentals and Lab Scenarios starting at $20 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 1:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: 2x2610 vs 2600 + 3640: WAS Re: CCIE Lab Setup [7:73612] From what I have heard, you are not asked to configure ATM switches, so back to back connection would be ok. **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73953t=73953 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
RE: CCIE Lab Setup [7:73612]
I know that having two 2610s... you could not train on 802.1q or ISL. Well, actually you can perform 802.1q but you must have IOS 12.2T series IOS. I know that is one drawback because I have concerns for having a couple of 2610s but I also have a 3640 too. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73761t=73612 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
Re: CCIE Lab Setup [7:73612]
I'd get an ISDN simulator, and something to use as a frame-relay switch (2520, 2521, 2522, or 2523). Those would be my recommendations for what to purchase next. After that, add a 2511 (or equiv for access-serv), and then add a 3550 on. thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 (RS / Security) Network Learning Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ccbootcamp.com (cisco training) David Power wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I have three 2500 routers (2x2503 and 1x2514) with the budget of 1000$ I am planning to buy some more routers for my CCIE home lab. Which routers or switches I must have ( with in my $ limits or couple hundred more). Every suggestion will be appreciated David _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73621t=73612 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
RE: 2x2610 vs 2600 + 3640: WAS Re: CCIE Lab Setup [7:73612]
Actually, that is not true. A 2611 can do 802.1Q inter-vlan routing but cannot do ISL trunking. Of course, I am getting this information from the Cisco website... but if you know differently... please inform me. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73857t=73612 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
Re: CCIE Lab Setup [7:73612]
Which track are you studying for? If you need a PIX and like most of us cant afford to buy everything you need for your lab, i would suggest building your own. I dont know how this stands legally, but from a technical aspect it is possible to build your own PIX clone. You can find detailed documentation on the net on how to do this. -Nakul David Power wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I have three 2500 routers (2x2503 and 1x2514) with the budget of 1000$ I am planning to buy some more routers for my CCIE home lab. Which routers or switches I must have ( with in my $ limits or couple hundred more). Every suggestion will be appreciated David _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73616t=73612 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
RE: CCIE Lab Setup [7:73612]
Not exactly related to this but... Are there any drawbacks to using (2) 2610s for a lab instead of a 2600 and a 3640 router? Vijay Ramcharan -Original Message- From: Natchaya Radhikulkaralak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 7:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Setup [7:73612] Doesnt the vConsole ISDN simulator able to use SPIDs? Even though it is 525 dollars... I thought it did use spids. When you state to use a backbone router... what do you mean? Thomas Larus wrote: With $1,000 dollars, I would first buy a 4 port frame switch router, perhaps a 2520. I say 2520, not 2521 (Token ring), because the ethernet port on the 2520 allows it to serve as an additional router-- perhaps a backbone router that you would connect to using ethernet. $200-$300, if you are lucky. A 4500 with a NP-4T might be even better (but loud!!) This will take perhaps 300 dollars or so. You could add another 4 serial ints and/or a bunch of ethernet ints, and this could definitely serve as a full-fledged lab router as well as a frame switch. If you can find a cheap ISDN simulator (vConsole or Euro ISDN PBX gizmo that only does Basic-Net3 and no spids) for $400-500, you probably ought to buy it, since you already have two ISDN capable routers. Then a 1900 or 2820 switch for $100 to $200 so you have a VLAN-capable switch. If you have enough money left over, you could pick up one more 2501. (Always buy a 2503 or 2514 if you can get it for a little more than a 2501, of course.) It's not a first-rate lab, but it is enough of you to learn a lot of the most difficult lessons. You could go for more routers and no ISDN sim, but ISDN can be such a tricky technology it is worth spending a lot of time on. This is a close call, though. Tom Larus, CCIE #10,014 David Power wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I have three 2500 routers (2x2503 and 1x2514) with the budget of 1000$ I am planning to buy some more routers for my CCIE home lab. Which routers or switches I must have ( with in my $ limits or couple hundred more). Every suggestion will be appreciated David _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73746t=73612 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
CCNP and future CCIE lab setup [7:73696]
Like the other person previously... I am trying to build a lab. I am personally starting my Cisco track but I have recieved some routers from my work. I personally have 2-2501, 3-2503, 1-2504, 1-as2511-rj(which I dont know how to use), 1-2611, 1-2612, 1-3640 w/ 8 a/s module: 2ME-2W module: 4-port ISDN Bri module (dont know module name), 2-2912, 1-2950. Can you also give me any suggestions? Larus has mentioned a backbone router but isnt the 3640 sufficient? Overall... is there anything else that i need to improve this other than 3550 switches which are way out of my budget!!!? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73696t=73696 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
Re: CCIE Lab Setup [7:73612]
With $1,000 dollars, I would first buy a 4 port frame switch router, perhaps a 2520. I say 2520, not 2521 (Token ring), because the ethernet port on the 2520 allows it to serve as an additional router-- perhaps a backbone router that you would connect to using ethernet. $200-$300, if you are lucky. A 4500 with a NP-4T might be even better (but loud!!) This will take perhaps 300 dollars or so. You could add another 4 serial ints and/or a bunch of ethernet ints, and this could definitely serve as a full-fledged lab router as well as a frame switch. If you can find a cheap ISDN simulator (vConsole or Euro ISDN PBX gizmo that only does Basic-Net3 and no spids) for $400-500, you probably ought to buy it, since you already have two ISDN capable routers. Then a 1900 or 2820 switch for $100 to $200 so you have a VLAN-capable switch. If you have enough money left over, you could pick up one more 2501. (Always buy a 2503 or 2514 if you can get it for a little more than a 2501, of course.) It's not a first-rate lab, but it is enough of you to learn a lot of the most difficult lessons. You could go for more routers and no ISDN sim, but ISDN can be such a tricky technology it is worth spending a lot of time on. This is a close call, though. Tom Larus, CCIE #10,014 David Power wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I have three 2500 routers (2x2503 and 1x2514) with the budget of 1000$ I am planning to buy some more routers for my CCIE home lab. Which routers or switches I must have ( with in my $ limits or couple hundred more). Every suggestion will be appreciated David _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73623t=73612 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
Re: CCIE Lab Setup [7:73612]
Doesnt the vConsole ISDN simulator able to use SPIDs? Even though it is 525 dollars... I thought it did use spids. When you state to use a backbone router... what do you mean? Thomas Larus wrote: With $1,000 dollars, I would first buy a 4 port frame switch router, perhaps a 2520. I say 2520, not 2521 (Token ring), because the ethernet port on the 2520 allows it to serve as an additional router-- perhaps a backbone router that you would connect to using ethernet. $200-$300, if you are lucky. A 4500 with a NP-4T might be even better (but loud!!) This will take perhaps 300 dollars or so. You could add another 4 serial ints and/or a bunch of ethernet ints, and this could definitely serve as a full-fledged lab router as well as a frame switch. If you can find a cheap ISDN simulator (vConsole or Euro ISDN PBX gizmo that only does Basic-Net3 and no spids) for $400-500, you probably ought to buy it, since you already have two ISDN capable routers. Then a 1900 or 2820 switch for $100 to $200 so you have a VLAN-capable switch. If you have enough money left over, you could pick up one more 2501. (Always buy a 2503 or 2514 if you can get it for a little more than a 2501, of course.) It's not a first-rate lab, but it is enough of you to learn a lot of the most difficult lessons. You could go for more routers and no ISDN sim, but ISDN can be such a tricky technology it is worth spending a lot of time on. This is a close call, though. Tom Larus, CCIE #10,014 David Power wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I have three 2500 routers (2x2503 and 1x2514) with the budget of 1000$ I am planning to buy some more routers for my CCIE home lab. Which routers or switches I must have ( with in my $ limits or couple hundred more). Every suggestion will be appreciated David _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73695t=73612 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
CCIE Lab Setup [7:73612]
Hello, I have three 2500 routers (2x2503 and 1x2514) with the budget of 1000$ I am planning to buy some more routers for my CCIE home lab. Which routers or switches I must have ( with in my $ limits or couple hundred more). Every suggestion will be appreciated David _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73612t=73612 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]
ALL lab books will help - I've been working in Networking for nearly ten years, with Cisco products for 6-7 years - mainly in the field. I only attempted the lab to get extra time to do it used 1 LAB Study Guide (Hutnik/Satterlee) some old sample labs. They ask you to do so much with a small lab (6 or 7 devices) it's difficult to comprehend before you see it. Just practice getting all your L2 stuff done quickly, get IP working with no fuss, your IGP's done with no reference manuals - this will leave you with enough time to ponder over which way to do all the tricky bits. There's always 3 ways to skin the Cisco cat they want you to know the reasons why you should use all of them. I will be going for it again soon - when I have time I intend to pass. -Original Message- From: alaerte Vidali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 July 2003 18:41 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] Hi Joel, After doing the lab could you tell us if there was Labs books that helped you? (and which one does not even get closed?) Thanks === This message has been checked for all known viruses by the Sirocom Virus Scanning Service === === This message has been checked for all known viruses by the Sirocom Virus Scanning Service WWW.SIROCOM.COM === Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73334t=73263 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]
Reimer, Fred wrote: As far as I understand, the lab is not 2 days anymore. It is only one day. And they don't break things and have you find and fix them. You just have to configure the network correctly and answer some questions. You could pass the lab by just reading books, but you'd have to have a pretty special ability to understand things without actually configuring them on a real router. Fred Reimer - CCNA Yes I would think you'd have to have a very special ability to be able to pass the lab by reading only books, no hands on experience!!! Dave Eclipsys Corporation, 200 Ashford Center North, Atlanta, GA 30338 Phone: 404-847-5177 Cell: 770-490-3071 Pager: 888-260-2050 NOTICE; This email contains confidential or proprietary information which may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the named recipient(s). If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected the email, please notify the author by replying to this message. If you are not the named recipient, you are not authorized to use, disclose, distribute, copy, print or rely on this email, and should immediately delete it from your computer. -Original Message- From: Alex Cosic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] Hi there, I have finished my CCNP exam. Well, I live in Sydney, Australia and I still could not find job. I wish to carry on with CCIE. I do not have problem with passing writing CCIE exam, but what about practical exam of 2 days duration. I have found some programs on the net. But is it enough to pass without practice. I have passed my CCNP by only reading books and downloading simulation programs. Can somebody give me advice whether I could carry on without real hand on experince? Is there some way to volonteer to work for free? Is there some way to get free CCIE Lab experience? Thanks in advance Alex -- David Madland CCIE# 2016 Sr. Network Engineer Qwest Communications 612-664-3367 Government can do something for the people only in proportion as it can do something to the people. -- Thomas Jefferson Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73274t=73263 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]
Alex, Congratulations on passing your NP exam(s). The lab exam is no longer the 2 day format. Details can be found at the following URL: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/learning/le3/le11/learning_ccie_lab_exam.html You must have more than just knowledge, but also speed - the ability to type very fast is even beneficial due to the length and quantity of configurations you will need to create and manipulate. There are several companies that offer lab simulations and remote access to their racks - this might be helpful since you say you've already got the understanding - just need the practical... Bill Creighton CCNP Network Design Engineer, eVPN NSPM ATT Business Service Delivery -Original Message- From: Alex Cosic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 9:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] Hi there, I have finished my CCNP exam. Well, I live in Sydney, Australia and I still could not find job. I wish to carry on with CCIE. I do not have problem with passing writing CCIE exam, but what about practical exam of 2 days duration. I have found some programs on the net. But is it enough to pass without practice. I have passed my CCNP by only reading books and downloading simulation programs. Can somebody give me advice whether I could carry on without real hand on experince? Is there some way to volonteer to work for free? Is there some way to get free CCIE Lab experience? Thanks in advance Alex Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73277t=73263 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]
The day I meet ANYONE who can pass the CCIE lab by reading alone and no practical experience on a router or switch is the day I stop pursuing my Cisco certs. Bill Creighton CCNP Network Design Engineer, eVPN NSPM ATT Business Service Delivery -Original Message- From: Reimer, Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 8:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] As far as I understand, the lab is not 2 days anymore. It is only one day. And they don't break things and have you find and fix them. You just have to configure the network correctly and answer some questions. You could pass the lab by just reading books, but you'd have to have a pretty special ability to understand things without actually configuring them on a real router. Fred Reimer - CCNA Eclipsys Corporation, 200 Ashford Center North, Atlanta, GA 30338 Phone: 404-847-5177 Cell: 770-490-3071 Pager: 888-260-2050 NOTICE; This email contains confidential or proprietary information which may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the named recipient(s). If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected the email, please notify the author by replying to this message. If you are not the named recipient, you are not authorized to use, disclose, distribute, copy, print or rely on this email, and should immediately delete it from your computer. -Original Message- From: Alex Cosic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] Hi there, I have finished my CCNP exam. Well, I live in Sydney, Australia and I still could not find job. I wish to carry on with CCIE. I do not have problem with passing writing CCIE exam, but what about practical exam of 2 days duration. I have found some programs on the net. But is it enough to pass without practice. I have passed my CCNP by only reading books and downloading simulation programs. Can somebody give me advice whether I could carry on without real hand on experince? Is there some way to volonteer to work for free? Is there some way to get free CCIE Lab experience? Thanks in advance Alex Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73278t=73263 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]
I took the lab recently (before my time ran out) there is a full day of config to do. Lots of everything some nice little surprises. A couple of the guys on the same day were caught out by the wording the way the questions were structured. You have to be able to understand it fully before you start working. Otherwise, it's back to the start you've wasted an hour. -Original Message- From: Reimer, Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 July 2003 14:04 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] As far as I understand, the lab is not 2 days anymore. It is only one day. And they don't break things and have you find and fix them. You just have to configure the network correctly and answer some questions. You could pass the lab by just reading books, but you'd have to have a pretty special ability to understand things without actually configuring them on a real router. Fred Reimer - CCNA Eclipsys Corporation, 200 Ashford Center North, Atlanta, GA 30338 Phone: 404-847-5177 Cell: 770-490-3071 Pager: 888-260-2050 NOTICE; This email contains confidential or proprietary information which may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the named recipient(s). If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected the email, please notify the author by replying to this message. If you are not the named recipient, you are not authorized to use, disclose, distribute, copy, print or rely on this email, and should immediately delete it from your computer. -Original Message- From: Alex Cosic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] Hi there, I have finished my CCNP exam. Well, I live in Sydney, Australia and I still could not find job. I wish to carry on with CCIE. I do not have problem with passing writing CCIE exam, but what about practical exam of 2 days duration. I have found some programs on the net. But is it enough to pass without practice. I have passed my CCNP by only reading books and downloading simulation programs. Can somebody give me advice whether I could carry on without real hand on experince? Is there some way to volonteer to work for free? Is there some way to get free CCIE Lab experience? Thanks in advance Alex === This message has been checked for all known viruses by the Sirocom Virus Scanning Service === === This message has been checked for all known viruses by the Sirocom Virus Scanning Service WWW.SIROCOM.COM === Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73286t=73263 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]
hehehe ye. I'll do the same Creighton, Bill, NSPM wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The day I meet ANYONE who can pass the CCIE lab by reading alone and no practical experience on a router or switch is the day I stop pursuing my Cisco certs. Bill Creighton CCNP Network Design Engineer, eVPN NSPM ATT Business Service Delivery -Original Message- From: Reimer, Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 8:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] As far as I understand, the lab is not 2 days anymore. It is only one day. And they don't break things and have you find and fix them. You just have to configure the network correctly and answer some questions. You could pass the lab by just reading books, but you'd have to have a pretty special ability to understand things without actually configuring them on a real router. Fred Reimer - CCNA Eclipsys Corporation, 200 Ashford Center North, Atlanta, GA 30338 Phone: 404-847-5177 Cell: 770-490-3071 Pager: 888-260-2050 NOTICE; This email contains confidential or proprietary information which may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the named recipient(s). If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected the email, please notify the author by replying to this message. If you are not the named recipient, you are not authorized to use, disclose, distribute, copy, print or rely on this email, and should immediately delete it from your computer. -Original Message- From: Alex Cosic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] Hi there, I have finished my CCNP exam. Well, I live in Sydney, Australia and I still could not find job. I wish to carry on with CCIE. I do not have problem with passing writing CCIE exam, but what about practical exam of 2 days duration. I have found some programs on the net. But is it enough to pass without practice. I have passed my CCNP by only reading books and downloading simulation programs. Can somebody give me advice whether I could carry on without real hand on experince? Is there some way to volonteer to work for free? Is there some way to get free CCIE Lab experience? Thanks in advance Alex Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73283t=73263 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]
Creighton, Bill, NSPM wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The day I meet ANYONE who can pass the CCIE lab by reading alone and no practical experience on a router or switch is the day I stop pursuing my Cisco certs. I don't know. Superman became a skilled surgeon just by readng the medical library at a major university. ( I guess I'm dating myself here. That particular comic book episode has to have happened several decades ago ;- ) Bill Creighton CCNP Network Design Engineer, eVPN NSPM ATT Business Service Delivery -Original Message- From: Reimer, Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 8:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] As far as I understand, the lab is not 2 days anymore. It is only one day. And they don't break things and have you find and fix them. You just have to configure the network correctly and answer some questions. You could pass the lab by just reading books, but you'd have to have a pretty special ability to understand things without actually configuring them on a real router. Fred Reimer - CCNA Eclipsys Corporation, 200 Ashford Center North, Atlanta, GA 30338 Phone: 404-847-5177 Cell: 770-490-3071 Pager: 888-260-2050 NOTICE; This email contains confidential or proprietary information which may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the named recipient(s). If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected the email, please notify the author by replying to this message. If you are not the named recipient, you are not authorized to use, disclose, distribute, copy, print or rely on this email, and should immediately delete it from your computer. -Original Message- From: Alex Cosic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] Hi there, I have finished my CCNP exam. Well, I live in Sydney, Australia and I still could not find job. I wish to carry on with CCIE. I do not have problem with passing writing CCIE exam, but what about practical exam of 2 days duration. I have found some programs on the net. But is it enough to pass without practice. I have passed my CCNP by only reading books and downloading simulation programs. Can somebody give me advice whether I could carry on without real hand on experince? Is there some way to volonteer to work for free? Is there some way to get free CCIE Lab experience? Thanks in advance Alex Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73282t=73263 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]
Hi Joel, After doing the lab could you tell us if there was Labs books that helped you? (and which one does not even get closed?) Thanks Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73296t=73263 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]
Team, Your opinion is always accepted as a good advice...Question if you are at a point where you are running out of time for the lab, what will be more efficient, take the lab (spend $2000[traveling and the lab fees]) or let your written qualifications expired and take it again[spend $300]... Thanks, Juan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joel Satterley Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] I took the lab recently (before my time ran out) there is a full day of config to do. Lots of everything some nice little surprises. A couple of the guys on the same day were caught out by the wording the way the questions were structured. You have to be able to understand it fully before you start working. Otherwise, it's back to the start you've wasted an hour. -Original Message- From: Reimer, Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 July 2003 14:04 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] As far as I understand, the lab is not 2 days anymore. It is only one day. And they don't break things and have you find and fix them. You just have to configure the network correctly and answer some questions. You could pass the lab by just reading books, but you'd have to have a pretty special ability to understand things without actually configuring them on a real router. Fred Reimer - CCNA Eclipsys Corporation, 200 Ashford Center North, Atlanta, GA 30338 Phone: 404-847-5177 Cell: 770-490-3071 Pager: 888-260-2050 NOTICE; This email contains confidential or proprietary information which may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the named recipient(s). If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected the email, please notify the author by replying to this message. If you are not the named recipient, you are not authorized to use, disclose, distribute, copy, print or rely on this email, and should immediately delete it from your computer. -Original Message- From: Alex Cosic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] Hi there, I have finished my CCNP exam. Well, I live in Sydney, Australia and I still could not find job. I wish to carry on with CCIE. I do not have problem with passing writing CCIE exam, but what about practical exam of 2 days duration. I have found some programs on the net. But is it enough to pass without practice. I have passed my CCNP by only reading books and downloading simulation programs. Can somebody give me advice whether I could carry on without real hand on experince? Is there some way to volonteer to work for free? Is there some way to get free CCIE Lab experience? Thanks in advance Alex === This message has been checked for all known viruses by the Sirocom Virus Scanning Service === === This message has been checked for all known viruses by the Sirocom Virus Scanning Service WWW.SIROCOM.COM === Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73294t=73263 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]
I just can't see it happening (pass the CCIE lab with only reading books). I'm a CCNP/CCDP with a good, solid three years of hands-on Cisco experience under my belt and can't believe what I've learned by being able to actually configure and troubleshoot the equipment. There's no way that I could get that from just reading books. And I still don't feel prepared to tackle the CCIE lab yet! If you can't afford your own equipment, see if you can find a study group in your area. Most times, many members of the group already have all the equipment and you can work on scenarios together. Or, you can actually rent rack time very cheaply now if you want some hands-on practice. HTH, Shawn K. -Original Message- From: Alex Cosic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] Hi there, I have finished my CCNP exam. Well, I live in Sydney, Australia and I still could not find job. I wish to carry on with CCIE. I do not have problem with passing writing CCIE exam, but what about practical exam of 2 days duration. I have found some programs on the net. But is it enough to pass without practice. I have passed my CCNP by only reading books and downloading simulation programs. Can somebody give me advice whether I could carry on without real hand on experince? Is there some way to volonteer to work for free? Is there some way to get free CCIE Lab experience? Thanks in advance Alex Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73295t=73263 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]
Depends on confidence, preparation, and budget - if I were not confident in my ability to pass, and I couldn't afford to blow $2K, I'd likely get a fresh 18 months and re-do the written. If, on the other hand, I could afford it, I'd get that initial attempt out of the way, since first-time passers are so rare, and then concentrate on the weak points. Bill Creighton CCNP Network Design Engineer, eVPN NSPM ATT Business Service Delivery 231 Martingale Rd. Suite 800 Schaumburg, IL 60173-2008 Office: 847-407-4108 Fax: 847-598-6400 Mobile: 630-290-7000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Juan Blanco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] Team, Your opinion is always accepted as a good advice...Question if you are at a point where you are running out of time for the lab, what will be more efficient, take the lab (spend $2000[traveling and the lab fees]) or let your written qualifications expired and take it again[spend $300]... Thanks, Juan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joel Satterley Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] I took the lab recently (before my time ran out) there is a full day of config to do. Lots of everything some nice little surprises. A couple of the guys on the same day were caught out by the wording the way the questions were structured. You have to be able to understand it fully before you start working. Otherwise, it's back to the start you've wasted an hour. -Original Message- From: Reimer, Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 July 2003 14:04 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] As far as I understand, the lab is not 2 days anymore. It is only one day. And they don't break things and have you find and fix them. You just have to configure the network correctly and answer some questions. You could pass the lab by just reading books, but you'd have to have a pretty special ability to understand things without actually configuring them on a real router. Fred Reimer - CCNA Eclipsys Corporation, 200 Ashford Center North, Atlanta, GA 30338 Phone: 404-847-5177 Cell: 770-490-3071 Pager: 888-260-2050 NOTICE; This email contains confidential or proprietary information which may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the named recipient(s). If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected the email, please notify the author by replying to this message. If you are not the named recipient, you are not authorized to use, disclose, distribute, copy, print or rely on this email, and should immediately delete it from your computer. -Original Message- From: Alex Cosic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] Hi there, I have finished my CCNP exam. Well, I live in Sydney, Australia and I still could not find job. I wish to carry on with CCIE. I do not have problem with passing writing CCIE exam, but what about practical exam of 2 days duration. I have found some programs on the net. But is it enough to pass without practice. I have passed my CCNP by only reading books and downloading simulation programs. Can somebody give me advice whether I could carry on without real hand on experince? Is there some way to volonteer to work for free? Is there some way to get free CCIE Lab experience? Thanks in advance Alex === This message has been checked for all known viruses by the Sirocom Virus Scanning Service === === This message has been checked for all known viruses by the Sirocom Virus Scanning Service WWW.SIROCOM.COM === Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73307t=73263 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]
I'd take the lab the experience will help you a lot - less pressure for the next 'real' attempt. But then, I wasn't paying. -Original Message- From: Juan Blanco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 July 2003 18:35 To: 'Joel Satterley'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] Team, Your opinion is always accepted as a good advice...Question if you are at a point where you are running out of time for the lab, what will be more efficient, take the lab (spend $2000[traveling and the lab fees]) or let your written qualifications expired and take it again[spend $300]... Thanks, Juan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joel Satterley Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] I took the lab recently (before my time ran out) there is a full day of config to do. Lots of everything some nice little surprises. A couple of the guys on the same day were caught out by the wording the way the questions were structured. You have to be able to understand it fully before you start working. Otherwise, it's back to the start you've wasted an hour. -Original Message- From: Reimer, Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 July 2003 14:04 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] As far as I understand, the lab is not 2 days anymore. It is only one day. And they don't break things and have you find and fix them. You just have to configure the network correctly and answer some questions. You could pass the lab by just reading books, but you'd have to have a pretty special ability to understand things without actually configuring them on a real router. Fred Reimer - CCNA Eclipsys Corporation, 200 Ashford Center North, Atlanta, GA 30338 Phone: 404-847-5177 Cell: 770-490-3071 Pager: 888-260-2050 NOTICE; This email contains confidential or proprietary information which may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the named recipient(s). If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected the email, please notify the author by replying to this message. If you are not the named recipient, you are not authorized to use, disclose, distribute, copy, print or rely on this email, and should immediately delete it from your computer. -Original Message- From: Alex Cosic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] Hi there, I have finished my CCNP exam. Well, I live in Sydney, Australia and I still could not find job. I wish to carry on with CCIE. I do not have problem with passing writing CCIE exam, but what about practical exam of 2 days duration. I have found some programs on the net. But is it enough to pass without practice. I have passed my CCNP by only reading books and downloading simulation programs. Can somebody give me advice whether I could carry on without real hand on experince? Is there some way to volonteer to work for free? Is there some way to get free CCIE Lab experience? Thanks in advance Alex === This message has been checked for all known viruses by the Sirocom Virus Scanning Service === === This message has been checked for all known viruses by the Sirocom Virus Scanning Service WWW.SIROCOM.COM === === This message has been checked for all known viruses by the Sirocom Virus Scanning Service === === This message has been checked for all known viruses by the Sirocom Virus Scanning Service WWW.SIROCOM.COM === Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73301t=73263 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Running out of Time - WAS - RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]
With the assumption this will be your first attempt, let me counter with another question. How much is the experience worth to you of sitting a lab to experience the situation and see the difficulty of the questions? It will demonstrate the topics that need improvement. Would the same money be better spent attending some training or purchasing some equipment? Further assumption is that you can afford either. Good luck in whatever you decide. -Original Message- From: Juan Blanco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] Team, Your opinion is always accepted as a good advice...Question if you are at a point where you are running out of time for the lab, what will be more efficient, take the lab (spend $2000[traveling and the lab fees]) or let your written qualifications expired and take it again[spend $300]... Thanks, Juan Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73312t=73263 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]
Juan Blanco wrote: Team, Your opinion is always accepted as a good advice...Question if you are at a point where you are running out of time for the lab, what will be more efficient, take the lab (spend $2000[traveling and the lab fees]) or let your written qualifications expired and take it again[spend $300]... Well.. I dont know about the rest of you, but when I look at resumes, and I see someone has actually put CCIE written on it. I cant help but chukkle.. If you start something.. might as well finish what you started I say. I dont see the value in someone who is satisfied in achieving something half-assed.. Thanks, Juan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joel Satterley Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] I took the lab recently (before my time ran out) there is a full day of config to do. Lots of everything some nice little surprises. A couple of the guys on the same day were caught out by the wording the way the questions were structured. You have to be able to understand it fully before you start working. Otherwise, it's back to the start you've wasted an hour. -Original Message- From: Reimer, Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 July 2003 14:04 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] As far as I understand, the lab is not 2 days anymore. It is only one day. And they don't break things and have you find and fix them. You just have to configure the network correctly and answer some questions. You could pass the lab by just reading books, but you'd have to have a pretty special ability to understand things without actually configuring them on a real router. Fred Reimer - CCNA Eclipsys Corporation, 200 Ashford Center North, Atlanta, GA 30338 Phone: 404-847-5177 Cell: 770-490-3071 Pager: 888-260-2050 NOTICE; This email contains confidential or proprietary information which may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the named recipient(s). If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected the email, please notify the author by replying to this message. If you are not the named recipient, you are not authorized to use, disclose, distribute, copy, print or rely on this email, and should immediately delete it from your computer. -Original Message- From: Alex Cosic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263] Hi there, I have finished my CCNP exam. Well, I live in Sydney, Australia and I still could not find job. I wish to carry on with CCIE. I do not have problem with passing writing CCIE exam, but what about practical exam of 2 days duration. I have found some programs on the net. But is it enough to pass without practice. I have passed my CCNP by only reading books and downloading simulation programs. Can somebody give me advice whether I could carry on without real hand on experince? Is there some way to volonteer to work for free? Is there some way to get free CCIE Lab experience? Thanks in advance Alex === This message has been checked for all known viruses by the Sirocom Virus Scanning Service === === This message has been checked for all known viruses by the Sirocom Virus Scanning Service WWW.SIROCOM.COM === Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73325t=73263 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]
Salvatore De Luca wrote: Well.. I dont know about the rest of you, but when I look at resumes, and I see someone has actually put CCIE written on it. I cant help but chukkle.. If you start something.. might as well finish what you started I say. I dont see the value in someone who is satisfied in achieving something half-assed.. Well, I guess it's not like they also add and I don't even want to try the lab, is it? Once I saw a resume though that said something like Passed CCIE written test, which is half way of achieving CCIE certification. The passage half way made me chuckle, too. Thanks, Zsombor Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73329t=73263 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CCIE lab ... Fast track [7:73235]
Hello, I am working on chapter 18 CCIE Practical Studies volume 1 Is there any one like to work it out with me??? Cheers, HT Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73235t=73235 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]
Hi there, I have finished my CCNP exam. Well, I live in Sydney, Australia and I still could not find job. I wish to carry on with CCIE. I do not have problem with passing writing CCIE exam, but what about practical exam of 2 days duration. I have found some programs on the net. But is it enough to pass without practice. I have passed my CCNP by only reading books and downloading simulation programs. Can somebody give me advice whether I could carry on without real hand on experince? Is there some way to volonteer to work for free? Is there some way to get free CCIE Lab experience? Thanks in advance Alex Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73263t=73263 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CCIE Lab Kit [7:72241]
I'm shopping around for a CCIE lab kit. I've put down 3 sites as likely candidates where I'll be buying from; www.chipsettech.com www.optsys.com www.layer7labs.com Any advice on which one I should choose to get the best bang for the buck? Any sort of feedback would be welcome. Thanks. Vijay Ramcharan Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=72241t=72241 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab Kit [7:72241]
Buy from ebay (thos sites you mentioned charge too much!) -Original Message- From: Vijay Ramcharan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 12:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE Lab Kit [7:72241] I'm shopping around for a CCIE lab kit. I've put down 3 sites as likely candidates where I'll be buying from; www.chipsettech.com www.optsys.com www.layer7labs.com Any advice on which one I should choose to get the best bang for the buck? Any sort of feedback would be welcome. Thanks. Vijay Ramcharan For more information about Barclays Capital, please visit our web site at http://www.barcap.com. Internet communications are not secure and therefore the Barclays Group does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. Although the Barclays Group operates anti-virus programmes, it does not accept responsibility for any damage whatsoever that is caused by viruses being passed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Barclays Group. Replies to this email may be monitored by the Barclays Group for operational or business reasons. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=72252t=72241 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab Kit [7:72241]
I recommend ebay as well. I created a a lab for well under their cost (that included VOIP). Vijay Ramcharan wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm shopping around for a CCIE lab kit. I've put down 3 sites as likely candidates where I'll be buying from; www.chipsettech.com www.optsys.com www.layer7labs.com Any advice on which one I should choose to get the best bang for the buck? Any sort of feedback would be welcome. Thanks. Vijay Ramcharan Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=72267t=72241 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab Kit [7:72241]
I couldn't agree more, buy from Ebay! Also if you already have purchased a lab book, buy equipment that fits its topology or look at the available lab books on the market that you may purchase and construct a lab that would accommodate any of their topologies. Like IPExpert, CCBootCamp, or NetmasterClass's new lab book. Jason wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Buy from ebay (thos sites you mentioned charge too much!) -Original Message- From: Vijay Ramcharan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 12:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE Lab Kit [7:72241] I'm shopping around for a CCIE lab kit. I've put down 3 sites as likely candidates where I'll be buying from; www.chipsettech.com www.optsys.com www.layer7labs.com Any advice on which one I should choose to get the best bang for the buck? Any sort of feedback would be welcome. Thanks. Vijay Ramcharan For more information about Barclays Capital, please visit our web site at http://www.barcap.com. Internet communications are not secure and therefore the Barclays Group does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. Although the Barclays Group operates anti-virus programmes, it does not accept responsibility for any damage whatsoever that is caused by viruses being passed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Barclays Group. Replies to this email may be monitored by the Barclays Group for operational or business reasons. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=72268t=72241 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab !!! [7:71919]
You need to know EVERYTHING. I took failed last week. RIPv2, OSPF, EIGRP, IS-IS, BGP - all redistributing into each other.. -Original Message- From: alaerte Vidali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 July 2003 22:38 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE Lab !!! [7:71919] For sure you should know a lot about redistribution. A statement I heard from a Cisco guy responsable for the test in my country: -Certainly it will be asked one topic that you never have heard about; this is to test your capacity to look the CD documentation and find an answer. Certainly you should know all you can, because there is no time to search on the CD. The IOS on the lab is about to change. 12.2. === This message has been checked for all known viruses by the Sirocom Virus Scanning Service === === This message has been checked for all known viruses by the Sirocom Virus Scanning Service WWW.SIROCOM.COM === Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=71961t=71919 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab !!! [7:71919]
you are responsible for anything that can be done with the particular IOS on the particular equipment. with the exception of those things which specifically are not covered. you really need to dig deeper on the CCIE site. it's all there. http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/exam_preparation/preparation.html practice labs abound. a simple google search for CCIE practice lab will result in quite a few hits. best wishes. H T wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, Actually Cisco just says the following topics are removed, but there is not details http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/certifications/routing.html ISO CLNS... does it include ISIS ??? Token Ring and Token Ring Switching... does it includes all IBM networking??? 1. SRB 2. SR/TLB 3. RSRB 4. DLSw and DLSw+ 5. Encapsulation bridging 6. CRB 7. IRB How about ATM, what will be included? Can any one fine out Cheers, Heiman. Hemingway wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] anyone who is serious about CCIE lab prep should become familiar with this site: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ start your reading here. everything yoiu need to know can be found somewhere within the links provided. H T wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, Can any one help us about the lab topics? Cheers, Heiman. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=71935t=71919 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab !!! [7:71919]
Hi, Actually Cisco just says the following topics are removed, but there is not details http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/certifications/routing.html ISO CLNS... does it include ISIS ??? Token Ring and Token Ring Switching... does it includes all IBM networking??? 1. SRB 2. SR/TLB 3. RSRB 4. DLSw and DLSw+ 5. Encapsulation bridging 6. CRB 7. IRB How about ATM, what will be included? Can any one fine out Cheers, Heiman. Hemingway wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] anyone who is serious about CCIE lab prep should become familiar with this site: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ start your reading here. everything yoiu need to know can be found somewhere within the links provided. H T wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, Can any one help us about the lab topics? Cheers, Heiman. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=71934t=71919 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab !!! [7:71919]
At 08:51 AM 7/5/2003 +, H T wrote: Hi, Actually Cisco just says the following topics are removed, but there is not details http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/certifications/routing.html ISO CLNS... does it include ISIS ??? ISIS routing IP is still a valid topic. Token Ring and Token Ring Switching... does it includes all IBM networking??? no clue here and haven't looked into this in years. much like yourself it seems :) 1. SRB 2. SR/TLB 3. RSRB 4. DLSw and DLSw+ 5. Encapsulation bridging 6. CRB 7. IRB How about ATM, what will be included? Can any one fine out Cheers, Heiman. Hemingway wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] anyone who is serious about CCIE lab prep should become familiar with this site: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ start your reading here. everything yoiu need to know can be found somewhere within the links provided. H T wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, Can any one help us about the lab topics? Cheers, Heiman. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=71941t=71919 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CCIE Lab !!! [7:71919]
Hi all, Can any one help us about the lab topics? Cheers, Heiman. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=71919t=71919 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab !!! [7:71919]
For sure you should know a lot about redistribution. A statement I heard from a Cisco guy responsable for the test in my country: -Certainly it will be asked one topic that you never have heard about; this is to test your capacity to look the CD documentation and find an answer. Certainly you should know all you can, because there is no time to search on the CD. The IOS on the lab is about to change. 12.2. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=71921t=71919 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab !!! [7:71919]
anyone who is serious about CCIE lab prep should become familiar with this site: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ start your reading here. everything yoiu need to know can be found somewhere within the links provided. H T wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, Can any one help us about the lab topics? Cheers, Heiman. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=71930t=71919 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ccie lab swap for 9/2 [7:71750]
i am scheduled to take the lab exam on sept. 2nd...is anyone interested in swapping w/ me? i am scheduled to take a bootcamp from 8/11-15 i'd like to take the exam immediately following that, preferably 8/21 or 22 or during the wk of 8/25...if u r interested, pls contact me asap...thx Timur M. Mirza Principal Network Engineer ITNS Core Team, Verizon Wireless 15505-B Sand Canyon Avenue Irvine, California 92602 Desk/Vmail: 949.286.6623 Mobile: 949.697.7964 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=71750t=71750 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab - Boson Router Simulator [7:66367]
I just wanted to let you know that I purchased the Boson Router Simulator when I was preparing for my CCNP exams. Looking back, I feel it was certainly not worth the investment. I thought that this may save me some money over buying a couple of routers on eBay, but I would have been better off with the routers. I spent a lot of time trying to figure out what was wrong with the simulator. Things as simple as configuring a P-P Frame Relay circuit. I was never able to get frame-relay to activate. Some IP routes would not refresh correctly until a different routing protocol was loaded and unloaded. I could go into more detail, but I do not think it is necessary. Then I would have to document these issues and send them on to tech support and wait a day or so for a response. It seemed to slow me down in my progress. Do not get me wrong, the simulator is a good idea (I think if you are trying to get your CCNA). For the complex scenarios we have to learn for the CCNP or CCIE, there is no replacement other than a network of actual routers. Hope this helps! Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=66977t=66367 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab study group in Cincinnati? [7:66431]
I would have been interested, however, with less than 29 days until my first attempt in RTP, and a new project looming with work, I don't think I can work in any extra time. If I tank too badly on the Lab, I'll let you know, and maybe we can work something out prior to my second attempt. Good luck! Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=66517t=66431 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CCIE Lab study group in Cincinnati? [7:66431]
Anyone interested? Timothy T. Lewis CCNP, CCDP, MCDBA, MCSE (2000) 1771 West Mason Morrow Rd. Lebanon, OH 45036 X Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=66431t=66431 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BGP exam in prep. for the CCIE Lab!! [7:66432]
Hello,The new BGP exam(beta) for the CCIP exam is a great one (imho) in prep. for the actual CCIE Lab.It really tests your skill and deep understanding of your BGP knowledge..133 questions in 250 minutes (slightly less than 2 minutes per question), which I think was not enough.Diagrams after diagrams.The testing site refused to give me just plain white sheets of paper and also refused for me to take my color pens, even my normal pens!!.. So it was a real 'drag' trying to draw diagrams in the provided plastic sheets as it smudges and no place to write but on my knees!!. Reminded me so much of that 'dreaded place' that many us have been or will be soon ;- since I had the similiar experience there!!!Uuh!! how my wrists hurt since they are hanging on the edge of that stupid desk!! I have taken over 30 exams in my professional career starting with the CNA/CNE 3 way back in 1995 with no problem in acquiring generous sheets of white paper and plenty of space to write...But this one??Anyways, the results are going to be mailed in a couple of weeks. Just prep'd. for a week since someone last week posted this new exam info. on this site...And as Monday the 31st was the last day, I decided to take it on Friday (lest I failed and could retake it on Monday again!!) But since I am going to know the results in a couple of weeks, I might just chill for now and pray I passedhopefully I did ;-Anyone else who has taken the exam, any feedback?Sincerely,CN The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=66432t=66432 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: BGP exam in prep. for the CCIE Lab!! [7:66432]
Willy. Wow!! you teach the BGP and MPLS courses!! Where??? Awesome!! I've just begun my MPLS study which will be the last exam for the CCIP...Then I am going to head back to study for the CCIE Lab which I will take once Mr. Solie comes out with his PSV II .. When Mr. Solie ?? :-) I have 2 study guides from Cisco for the MPLS: one that says MPLS Concepts and the other that says MPLS/VPNDo I need to study both of these for the MPLS exam or just the first one will suffice? If both, then do I need any additional books from Cisco Press to supplement what I have? Like Advanced VPN by Allwyn or MPLS Traffic Engineering book?? Thank you for your help. Sincerely, CN From: Willy Schoots To: 'Cisco Nuts' Subject: RE: BGP exam in prep. for the CCIE Lab!! [7:66432] Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 17:03:12 +0100 Hi CN, I took the beta exam some while back (begin of February). I found it a relatively easy exam for someone that has followed the course (CBCR / BGP 3.0). The reason that I found it easy is because there are no questions not covered in the course and also not too many strange/unclear questions. I agree with you that it had a lot of questions with diagrams and that therefore the time was a constraint. Cheers, Willy Schoots PS: My judgment may colored by the fact that I teach this course and that it is one of my favorite courses to teach (together with the MPLS course). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cisco Nuts Sent: zaterdag 29 maart 2003 14:58 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: BGP exam in prep. for the CCIE Lab!! [7:66432] Hello,The new BGP exam(beta) for the CCIP exam is a great one (imho) in prep. for the actual CCIE Lab.It really tests your skill and deep understanding of your BGP knowledge..133 questions in 250 minutes (slightly less than 2 minutes per question), which I think was not enough.Diagrams after diagrams.The testing site refused to give me just plain white sheets of paper and also refused for me to take my color pens, even my normal pens!!.. So it was a real 'drag' trying to draw diagrams in the provided plastic sheets as it smudges and no place to write but on my knees!!. Reminded me so much of that 'dreaded place' that many us have been or will be soon ;- since I had the similiar experience there!!!Uuh!! how my wrists hurt since they are hanging on the edge of that stupid desk!! I have taken over 30 exams in my professional career starting with the CNA/CNE 3 way back in 1995 with no problem in acquiring generous sheets of white paper and plenty of space to write...But this one??Anyways, the results are going to be mailed in a couple of weeks. Just prep'd. for a week since someone last week posted this new exam info. on this site...And as Monday the 31st was the last day, I decided to take it on Friday (lest I failed and could retake it on Monday again!!) But since I am going to know the results in a couple of weeks, I might just chill for now and pray I passedhopefully I did ;-Anyone else who has taken the exam, any feedback?Sincerely,CN The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=66452t=66432 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CCIE Lab - Boson Router Simulator [7:66367]
Any experience with this? How close to the real thing is Boson's Router Simulator for the CCIE Lab? Does the software allow me to cover all aspects of the blue print for the CCIE lab? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=66367t=66367 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab IOS Feature Set? [7:66304]
ENTERPRISE/FW/IDS PLUS IPSEC 56121-5-t14 This is what I have in my home lab c3620-jo3s56i-mz.121-5.T14.bin ENTERPRISE/FW/IDS PLUS IPSEC 56 (64D/16F) c2600-io3s56i-mz.121-5.T14.bin IP/FW/IDS PLUS IPSEC 56 (48D/16F) c2500-jos56i-l.121-5.T14.bin ENTERPRISE/FW PLUS IPSEC 56 (16D/16F) c4500-js56i-mz.121-5.T14.bin ENTERPRISE PLUS IPSEC 56 (32D/16F) c1700-o3sy56i-mz.121-5.T14.bin IP/FW/IDS PLUS IPSEC 56 (32D/8F) c3550-i5k2l2q3-tar.121-13.EA1.tar c2950-i6q4l2-tar.121-13.EA1.tar C.Q.Nguyen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The Long and Winding Road Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 11:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab IOS Feature Set? [7:66304] Mike Mihalas wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I am in the process of putting together a CCIE practice lab. I have a bunch of 2500 routers with varying memory. I know the lab uses 12.1 but my question is what feature set do I need? Will IP do what I need or do I need IP Plus, or even Enterprise. Since IPX is gone will just the basic IP image do all I need? you want to be able to practice with all of the various routing protocols, as you accountable for them. that usually means Enterprise Plus. Thanks, Mike Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=66376t=66304 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab - Boson Router Simulator [7:66367]
I looked into the simulator... but there were not a great deal of CCIE labs AT ALL... but that was the demo I was looking at and they are constantly updating the software... but for instance BGP was unsupported need I say more? LOL... again... they may support it now and it would be nice of them to do so.. because its not a BAD product... you can TOTALLY design a lab how you want it 11 routers (whichever series u want) and whatever kinda switches u want... but limited on the protocol support side... if they've fixed that it would be great. the version I saw just wasn't THERE yet. are you looking into for the written also or just the lab? just my 2cents. -- ThaCoolest, CCNP, CCIE wannabe .Johan Bornman wrote: Any experience with this? How close to the real thing is Boson's Router Simulator for the CCIE Lab? Does the software allow me to cover all aspects of the blue print for the CCIE lab? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=66387t=66367 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CCIE Lab IOS Feature Set? [7:66304]
I am in the process of putting together a CCIE practice lab. I have a bunch of 2500 routers with varying memory. I know the lab uses 12.1 but my question is what feature set do I need? Will IP do what I need or do I need IP Plus, or even Enterprise. Since IPX is gone will just the basic IP image do all I need? Thanks, Mike Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=66304t=66304 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab IOS Feature Set? [7:66304]
Mike Mihalas wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I am in the process of putting together a CCIE practice lab. I have a bunch of 2500 routers with varying memory. I know the lab uses 12.1 but my question is what feature set do I need? Will IP do what I need or do I need IP Plus, or even Enterprise. Since IPX is gone will just the basic IP image do all I need? you want to be able to practice with all of the various routing protocols, as you accountable for them. that usually means Enterprise Plus. Thanks, Mike Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=66307t=66304 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CCIE lab equipment question [7:64670]
I am asembling an CCIE lab at work and just found http://www.horizondatacom.com has any one used them, and if so what is your experince At least the price looks good, I have assembled the folowing list and would like some comments on it, I already have 2x1005, 2x1003, 2610, 2511-RJ access server with the equipment below I am looking to get a lot more routers and ethernet ports, also a frame switch, and ATM capability, the only thing I need in adition to this is another router with ATM, the 7200 will be great, and I think the price is good for that class of router Part Number DescriptionEach Total CISCO2501CISCO 2501 Router W/1 Ethernet.. $250.00$1,000.00 CISCO2522Cisco 2522 Router 1 Ethernet, .. $600.00$600.00 CISCO2610Cisco 2610 Modular Router W/1 .. $650.00$1,300.00 CISCO7206Cisco7206 Modular Router 6-Slo.. $1,900.00 $1,900.00 PA-2HCisco 7200/7500 2-Port High Sp.. $600.00$600.00 PA-4ECisco 7000/7200/7500 4-Port Et.. $350.00$350.00 PA-FE-FX Cisco 7200/7500 Single-Port Fa.. $250.00$250.00 A100 Cisco LightStream 100 ATM Swit.. $495.00$495.00 PA-A1-OC3MM Cisco 7200/7500 1-Port ATM OC3.. $250.00$250.00 VIC-2FXS Cisco 2-Port Foreign Exchange .. $195.00$390.00 WIC-1T CISCO1600/2600/3600 WIC-1T 1-P.. $150.00$300.00 Subtotal $7,435.00 Any comments on the equipment or horizondatacom would be welcome Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=64670t=64670 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Workbook for CCIE Lab [7:63822]
Regarding a workbook(ex$B!'(BCertificationZone.com) for CCIE Lab, is it good for CCIE Lab? Is it valuable to buy ? If there is another to recommend to buy , please tell me ! Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=63822t=63822 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Workbook for CCIE Lab [7:63822]
Masaru Umetsu wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Regarding a workbook(ex$B!'(BCertificationZone.com) for CCIE Lab, is it good for CCIE Lab? Is it valuable to buy ? If there is another to recommend to buy , please tell me ! ah, the perfect opportunity to throw in my own few bucks worth. no offense to any of the producers of CCIE practice labs. The vendors with whom I am familiar have all done an excellent job in mimicking the Real Thing. IP Expert, Hello Computers, Bootcamp are all first rate products. However, buyers should be aware that each of these vendors have crafted their labs around an equipment rack which they maintain, and hope to make money renting to you. The real lab has a few routers and a couple of switches. Not the dozen or so that these vendors require for their labs. OK. I exaggerate a bit. But not much. I believe I am accurate when I state that it can be difficult to simulate these vendor pods with your home rack. Nor do I think you need to, but that's another story. Buyers and sekkers of practice materials should also do a google search on CCIE practice labs and see what you can find. There are LOTS of materials out there. My own opinion, to be taken with the appropriate measure of salt: with all due respect to the vendors of practice labs, it really doesn't make much difference whose you use. They all sport lists of successful candidates who used their materials and offer testamonials. Obviously, all of the vendors are doing something right. There are people who use their materials and succeed. The real key is practice, practice, practice, and then read up on why the answer is what it is, then practice some more. It is incredibly important to understand alternatives. And how to attain reachability. And how to research something you've never heard of on the doc CD, and what to do when your routing table is a disaster, and when you see route flapping, and default routes pointing to the wrong router, or your routing protocol does not communicate with another router the way that it should. Oh - BTW - never underestimate the value of the free stuff on CCO. The config guides, the design guides, the stuff in the TAC section, if you have access to that. Or www.fatkid.com, for that matter. Best wishes. Chuck still stuck at 21,000 feet or so. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=63825t=63822 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CCIE Lab?? [7:62915]
TEAM, Which lab workbook (RS) do you guys recommend for preparing for the lab...I want to buy only one(which one). If possible I would like your response with valid information based on your experience with any of the products mention below. I am very interesting in (Hello Computers and CCBootcamp) a - Hello Computers b - CCBootcamp c - Boson d - IPExperts As always I really appreciate your input on this matter. Thanks, Juan Blanco Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=62915t=62915 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cisco Packet Magazine and the CCIE Lab [7:62994]
ket_department09186a0080142dfb.html#title Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=62994t=62994 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab - I have seen he future and it is.... [7:62776]
I've had those before...once! Not very good. Would not want to build a network on them. Logan, Harold wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I think your problem with the dipping dots analogy is that dipping dots have to be served from the bottom up; there's no such thing as Top-Down Dipping Dot Design. Hal -Original Message- From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 2:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab - I have seen he future and it is [7:62776] Glad you're not depressed and are continuing your quest. You should consider being a writer. Your writing is really good, although the dipping dots ice cream analogy is just not working for me. I just can't imagine freeze-dried ice cream for one thing. Does it use dotted-decimal notation? ;-) Priscilla Charles Riley wrote: Thanks to all who wrote in. My Kafkaseque post yesterday apparently touched a chord (or nerve) with several folks. I was hoping to start an OT discussion on those Dippin' Dots ice cream, and draw analogies to networking. Heck, I would even settle for Howard asking a variation of his favorite question: what is the ice cream you are trying to eat? In all seriousness, I haven't abandoned all hope yet, it has just lessened in importance and intensity for me. In response to CN's question, I have attempted the lab at least once, Brussels, way back when the lab was a two day lab, and the numbers were still quad digits.Without violating the NDA, let's just say that I will never forgive ISDN for what it did to me. As far as my motives for CCIE chasing, the main reason I am persisting is that not only have I invested time, money, and freeze dried ice cream, but the CCIE quest motivates me to study topics that I don't necessarily deal with on a daily basis, and to practice exotic configurations with those that I do. OSPF through a GRE tunnel over an ISDN DBU to the Dippin' Dots website, anyone? Thanks, Charles Cisco Nuts wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hello Charles, With due respect I ask, why did you abandon your quest for the CCIE? I am curious as to how many times you actually hit the Lab? Sincerely, CN From: Charles Riley Reply-To: Charles Riley To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab - I have seen he future and it is [7:62776] Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:19:54 GMT Chuck, Your post reminds me of those weird little ice cream stands that I sometimes see at the mall and various carnivals. It's called something like Dipping Dots - The Ice Cream of the Future. The initial human instinct is much like the Cro-Magnon humanoids encountering the monolith at the beginning of 2001: A Space Odyssey (sp): jump up and down with excitement until you realize it's just freeze dried ice cream. Rounding out that analogy, the CCIE of the future will probably be reduced to being the CCNP of today. Regardless, I have spent too much time and money to abandon the quest for CCIE now, but frankly, if I hadn't invested as much as I have, I would most likely abandon the quest in favor of broadening into other areas. I really don't see much market value for the CCIE anymore, especially with Cisco hellbent on making it a meatgrinding cash cow. Your java console and one way only to configure experience kind of bears this out. Sorry for the depressing post, just wanted to share. Charles The Long and Winding Road wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Been spending this weekend on what was once the Cisco Advanced SE Training ( ASET ) set of labs. These are available for those whose Cisco account team approves - there are a few conditions which can be found in the wee places of certification training. The program is run by Lab Gear ( the only link I have is www.labgear.net, but this is a login page ) There are a number of labs of CCIE level, look, and feel. Supposed to be real equipment, but the access is via java script windows, not terminal emulation. This makes for some interesting situations. The windows show or provide output only when they are active. So if you had two router sessions open, and you made changes on one router that would generate systems messages of one sort or another you would not see those messages on the other. also, I have yet to find a way to generate output from debugging commands. Things like term mon and logging of one kind or another have not been successful. so no debug ip routing and debug ip ospf adj. As with the real lab, there are a series of tasks to be completed. Grading is done via a s
Re: CCIE Lab - I have seen he future and it is.... [7:62776]
Hello Charles, With due respect I ask, why did you abandon your quest for the CCIE? I am curious as to how many times you actually hit the Lab? Sincerely, CN From: Charles Riley Reply-To: Charles Riley To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab - I have seen he future and it is [7:62776] Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:19:54 GMT Chuck, Your post reminds me of those weird little ice cream stands that I sometimes see at the mall and various carnivals. It's called something like Dipping Dots - The Ice Cream of the Future. The initial human instinct is much like the Cro-Magnon humanoids encountering the monolith at the beginning of 2001: A Space Odyssey (sp): jump up and down with excitement until you realize it's just freeze dried ice cream. Rounding out that analogy, the CCIE of the future will probably be reduced to being the CCNP of today. Regardless, I have spent too much time and money to abandon the quest for CCIE now, but frankly, if I hadn't invested as much as I have, I would most likely abandon the quest in favor of broadening into other areas. I really don't see much market value for the CCIE anymore, especially with Cisco hellbent on making it a meatgrinding cash cow. Your java console and one way only to configure experience kind of bears this out. Sorry for the depressing post, just wanted to share. Charles The Long and Winding Road wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Been spending this weekend on what was once the Cisco Advanced SE Training ( ASET ) set of labs. These are available for those whose Cisco account team approves - there are a few conditions which can be found in the wee places of certification training. The program is run by Lab Gear ( the only link I have is www.labgear.net, but this is a login page ) There are a number of labs of CCIE level, look, and feel. Supposed to be real equipment, but the access is via java script windows, not terminal emulation. This makes for some interesting situations. The windows show or provide output only when they are active. So if you had two router sessions open, and you made changes on one router that would generate systems messages of one sort or another you would not see those messages on the other. also, I have yet to find a way to generate output from debugging commands. Things like term mon and logging of one kind or another have not been successful. so no debug ip routing and debug ip ospf adj. As with the real lab, there are a series of tasks to be completed. Grading is done via a script. This is the point of most interest. Actually, I suspect a lot of the current CCIE Lab grading is done using scripting tools. I believe the proctors still physically examine equipment configurations for some things, but I could be wrong. It is of interest because to judge from the script outputs I am seeing, there appears to be an assumption that there is one and only one way to do things. I'm not sure this is always true. I am not sure that this results in an entirely accurate grade. But more importantly, given my experience with the java consoles and the manner in which these labs must be done, I am not sure I like where this is headed. Something Brian Dennis and Brad Ellis and some other people started talking about back when the CCIE Lab went from two days to one - something about the longer term goal being to do the test remotely, and having people show up at Sylvan or some other testing center and log in remotely. If the Lab Gear approach is any indication, this is not ready for real live testing. I experienced far too many problems with terminal ( javascript ) sessions disconnecting mysteriously. With 8 open windows, it sometimes got to be very hard to find the session ( router ) I was looking for. Cut and paste is a real pain. You have to open a scratchpad window, which is associated with the javascript console window. cutting and pasting is done to this wind. there are scratchpad windows associated with each java wind, so if you had a scratchpad open for every router session, that makes for a LOT of junk to fight your way through looking for what you want. then there is the problem of actually moving what you want to copy and paste. highlight and control c control v or alt e paste don't work. you have to click on buttons on the java consoles to copy to and from routers. beyond that, there is the problems of whether or not the script answer is the right answer. For example, in one lab, a particular instruction requires that the rip routers on a particular segment have to use the neighbor statement to see eachother ( and prevent other routers on that segment from joining into the RIP domain ) well, the problem is, one of those routers is connected to another RIP router via a different interface. need a neighbor statement there too, but the script does not cover this, nor does th
Re: CCIE Lab - I have seen he future and it is.... [7:62776]
Thanks to all who wrote in. My Kafkaseque post yesterday apparently touched a chord (or nerve) with several folks. I was hoping to start an OT discussion on those Dippin' Dots ice cream, and draw analogies to networking. Heck, I would even settle for Howard asking a variation of his favorite question: what is the ice cream you are trying to eat? In all seriousness, I haven't abandoned all hope yet, it has just lessened in importance and intensity for me. In response to CN's question, I have attempted the lab at least once, Brussels, way back when the lab was a two day lab, and the numbers were still quad digits.Without violating the NDA, let's just say that I will never forgive ISDN for what it did to me. As far as my motives for CCIE chasing, the main reason I am persisting is that not only have I invested time, money, and freeze dried ice cream, but the CCIE quest motivates me to study topics that I don't necessarily deal with on a daily basis, and to practice exotic configurations with those that I do. OSPF through a GRE tunnel over an ISDN DBU to the Dippin' Dots website, anyone? Thanks, Charles Cisco Nuts wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hello Charles, With due respect I ask, why did you abandon your quest for the CCIE? I am curious as to how many times you actually hit the Lab? Sincerely, CN From: Charles Riley Reply-To: Charles Riley To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab - I have seen he future and it is [7:62776] Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:19:54 GMT Chuck, Your post reminds me of those weird little ice cream stands that I sometimes see at the mall and various carnivals. It's called something like Dipping Dots - The Ice Cream of the Future. The initial human instinct is much like the Cro-Magnon humanoids encountering the monolith at the beginning of 2001: A Space Odyssey (sp): jump up and down with excitement until you realize it's just freeze dried ice cream. Rounding out that analogy, the CCIE of the future will probably be reduced to being the CCNP of today. Regardless, I have spent too much time and money to abandon the quest for CCIE now, but frankly, if I hadn't invested as much as I have, I would most likely abandon the quest in favor of broadening into other areas. I really don't see much market value for the CCIE anymore, especially with Cisco hellbent on making it a meatgrinding cash cow. Your java console and one way only to configure experience kind of bears this out. Sorry for the depressing post, just wanted to share. Charles The Long and Winding Road wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Been spending this weekend on what was once the Cisco Advanced SE Training ( ASET ) set of labs. These are available for those whose Cisco account team approves - there are a few conditions which can be found in the wee places of certification training. The program is run by Lab Gear ( the only link I have is www.labgear.net, but this is a login page ) There are a number of labs of CCIE level, look, and feel. Supposed to be real equipment, but the access is via java script windows, not terminal emulation. This makes for some interesting situations. The windows show or provide output only when they are active. So if you had two router sessions open, and you made changes on one router that would generate systems messages of one sort or another you would not see those messages on the other. also, I have yet to find a way to generate output from debugging commands. Things like term mon and logging of one kind or another have not been successful. so no debug ip routing and debug ip ospf adj. As with the real lab, there are a series of tasks to be completed. Grading is done via a script. This is the point of most interest. Actually, I suspect a lot of the current CCIE Lab grading is done using scripting tools. I believe the proctors still physically examine equipment configurations for some things, but I could be wrong. It is of interest because to judge from the script outputs I am seeing, there appears to be an assumption that there is one and only one way to do things. I'm not sure this is always true. I am not sure that this results in an entirely accurate grade. But more importantly, given my experience with the java consoles and the manner in which these labs must be done, I am not sure I like where this is headed. Something Brian Dennis and Brad Ellis and some other people started talking about back when the CCIE Lab went from two days to one - something about the longer term goal being to do the test remotely, and having people show up at Sylvan or some other testing center and log in remotely. If the Lab Gear approach is any indication, this is not ready for real live testing. I experienced far too many problems with terminal ( javascript ) sessio
Re: CCIE Lab - I have seen he future and it is.... [7:62776]
Glad you're not depressed and are continuing your quest. You should consider being a writer. Your writing is really good, although the dipping dots ice cream analogy is just not working for me. I just can't imagine freeze-dried ice cream for one thing. Does it use dotted-decimal notation? ;-) Priscilla Charles Riley wrote: Thanks to all who wrote in. My Kafkaseque post yesterday apparently touched a chord (or nerve) with several folks. I was hoping to start an OT discussion on those Dippin' Dots ice cream, and draw analogies to networking. Heck, I would even settle for Howard asking a variation of his favorite question: what is the ice cream you are trying to eat? In all seriousness, I haven't abandoned all hope yet, it has just lessened in importance and intensity for me. In response to CN's question, I have attempted the lab at least once, Brussels, way back when the lab was a two day lab, and the numbers were still quad digits.Without violating the NDA, let's just say that I will never forgive ISDN for what it did to me. As far as my motives for CCIE chasing, the main reason I am persisting is that not only have I invested time, money, and freeze dried ice cream, but the CCIE quest motivates me to study topics that I don't necessarily deal with on a daily basis, and to practice exotic configurations with those that I do. OSPF through a GRE tunnel over an ISDN DBU to the Dippin' Dots website, anyone? Thanks, Charles Cisco Nuts wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hello Charles, With due respect I ask, why did you abandon your quest for the CCIE? I am curious as to how many times you actually hit the Lab? Sincerely, CN From: Charles Riley Reply-To: Charles Riley To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab - I have seen he future and it is [7:62776] Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:19:54 GMT Chuck, Your post reminds me of those weird little ice cream stands that I sometimes see at the mall and various carnivals. It's called something like Dipping Dots - The Ice Cream of the Future. The initial human instinct is much like the Cro-Magnon humanoids encountering the monolith at the beginning of 2001: A Space Odyssey (sp): jump up and down with excitement until you realize it's just freeze dried ice cream. Rounding out that analogy, the CCIE of the future will probably be reduced to being the CCNP of today. Regardless, I have spent too much time and money to abandon the quest for CCIE now, but frankly, if I hadn't invested as much as I have, I would most likely abandon the quest in favor of broadening into other areas. I really don't see much market value for the CCIE anymore, especially with Cisco hellbent on making it a meatgrinding cash cow. Your java console and one way only to configure experience kind of bears this out. Sorry for the depressing post, just wanted to share. Charles The Long and Winding Road wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Been spending this weekend on what was once the Cisco Advanced SE Training ( ASET ) set of labs. These are available for those whose Cisco account team approves - there are a few conditions which can be found in the wee places of certification training. The program is run by Lab Gear ( the only link I have is www.labgear.net, but this is a login page ) There are a number of labs of CCIE level, look, and feel. Supposed to be real equipment, but the access is via java script windows, not terminal emulation. This makes for some interesting situations. The windows show or provide output only when they are active. So if you had two router sessions open, and you made changes on one router that would generate systems messages of one sort or another you would not see those messages on the other. also, I have yet to find a way to generate output from debugging commands. Things like term mon and logging of one kind or another have not been successful. so no debug ip routing and debug ip ospf adj. As with the real lab, there are a series of tasks to be completed. Grading is done via a script. This is the point of most interest. Actually, I suspect a lot of the current CCIE Lab grading is done using scripting tools. I believe the proctors still physically examine equipment configurations for some things, but I could be wrong. It is of interest because to judge from the script outputs I am seeing, there appears to be an assumption that there is one and only one way to do things. I'm not sure this is always true. I am not sure that this results in an entirely accurate grade. But more importantly, given my experience with the java consoles and the manner in which these labs must be done, I am not sure I like where this is h
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I disagree, it sounds to me like Chuck is pursuing the IE for the right reasons. If his goal was to learn enough to pass the lab, and he has learned most of what he set out to learn, I can't really fault him for being discouraged. It's very frustrating having spent months or even years learning how to do 4-way IGP redistribution with no routing loops and all those other difficult but possible scenarios we subject ourself to, only to fail the lab because in a low-time high-stress environment you couldn't think of which OSPF over frame config would meet the bassackwards requirements on the lab. It's Cisco's program, and they can do whatever they want with it. But my learning curve has drastically changed since I started studying for the lab, and there are other pursuits that I'd like to go after once I'm done with the lab. Really my primary motivation at this point is that I'm not a quitter, and I want to finish what I started. I'm not pursuing the IE so I can get a better job or so I can get promoted at my current one. I teach CCNA and CCNP classes, and when I pass the lab I'll still be teaching CCNA and CCNP classes. Having studied for the lab helps me do a much better job as an instructor, but having a number behind my name won't make a lick of difference to anyone but me. -Original Message- From: Amazing [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab - I have seen he future and it is [7:62776] actually, i think you have it backwardsthe CCNP of tomorrow will be the CCIE of todayCCC tests are getting harder...the bar is being raised if what you state is truly the way you truly feel, then you were in pursuit of the CCIE for the wrong reason in the first place. sorry you're so depressed. Charles Riley wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Chuck, Your post reminds me of those weird little ice cream stands that I sometimes see at the mall and various carnivals. It's called something like Dipping Dots - The Ice Cream of the Future. The initial human instinct is much like the Cro-Magnon humanoids encountering the monolith at the beginning of 2001: A Space Odyssey (sp): jump up and down with excitement until you realize it's just freeze dried ice cream. Rounding out that analogy, the CCIE of the future will probably be reduced to being the CCNP of today. Regardless, I have spent too much time and money to abandon the quest for CCIE now, but frankly, if I hadn't invested as much as I have, I would most likely abandon the quest in favor of broadening into other areas. I really don't see much market value for the CCIE anymore, especially with Cisco hellbent on making it a meatgrinding cash cow. Your java console and one way only to configure experience kind of bears this out. Sorry for the depressing post, just wanted to share. Charles The Long and Winding Road wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Been spending this weekend on what was once the Cisco Advanced SE Training ( ASET ) set of labs. These are available for those whose Cisco account team approves - there are a few conditions which can be found in the wee places of certification training. The program is run by Lab Gear ( the only link I have is www.labgear.net, but this is a login page ) There are a number of labs of CCIE level, look, and feel. Supposed to be real equipment, but the access is via java script windows, not terminal emulation. This makes for some interesting situations. The windows show or provide output only when they are active. So if you had two router sessions open, and you made changes on one router that would generate systems messages of one sort or another you would not see those messages on the other. also, I have yet to find a way to generate output from debugging commands. Things like term mon and logging of one kind or another have not been successful. so no debug ip routing and debug ip ospf adj. As with the real lab, there are a series of tasks to be completed. Grading is done via a script. This is the point of most interest. Actually, I suspect a lot of the current CCIE Lab grading is done using scripting tools. I believe the proctors still physically examine equipment configurations for some things, but I could be wrong. It is of interest because to judge from the script outputs I am seeing, there appears to be an assumption that there is one and only one way to do things. I'm not sure this is always true. I am not sure that this results in an entirely accurate grade. But more importantly, given my experience with the java consoles and the manner in which these labs must be done, I am not sure I like where thi
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I think your problem with the dipping dots analogy is that dipping dots have to be served from the bottom up; there's no such thing as Top-Down Dipping Dot Design. Hal -Original Message- From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 2:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab - I have seen he future and it is [7:62776] Glad you're not depressed and are continuing your quest. You should consider being a writer. Your writing is really good, although the dipping dots ice cream analogy is just not working for me. I just can't imagine freeze-dried ice cream for one thing. Does it use dotted-decimal notation? ;-) Priscilla Charles Riley wrote: Thanks to all who wrote in. My Kafkaseque post yesterday apparently touched a chord (or nerve) with several folks. I was hoping to start an OT discussion on those Dippin' Dots ice cream, and draw analogies to networking. Heck, I would even settle for Howard asking a variation of his favorite question: what is the ice cream you are trying to eat? In all seriousness, I haven't abandoned all hope yet, it has just lessened in importance and intensity for me. In response to CN's question, I have attempted the lab at least once, Brussels, way back when the lab was a two day lab, and the numbers were still quad digits.Without violating the NDA, let's just say that I will never forgive ISDN for what it did to me. As far as my motives for CCIE chasing, the main reason I am persisting is that not only have I invested time, money, and freeze dried ice cream, but the CCIE quest motivates me to study topics that I don't necessarily deal with on a daily basis, and to practice exotic configurations with those that I do. OSPF through a GRE tunnel over an ISDN DBU to the Dippin' Dots website, anyone? Thanks, Charles Cisco Nuts wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hello Charles, With due respect I ask, why did you abandon your quest for the CCIE? I am curious as to how many times you actually hit the Lab? Sincerely, CN From: Charles Riley Reply-To: Charles Riley To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab - I have seen he future and it is [7:62776] Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:19:54 GMT Chuck, Your post reminds me of those weird little ice cream stands that I sometimes see at the mall and various carnivals. It's called something like Dipping Dots - The Ice Cream of the Future. The initial human instinct is much like the Cro-Magnon humanoids encountering the monolith at the beginning of 2001: A Space Odyssey (sp): jump up and down with excitement until you realize it's just freeze dried ice cream. Rounding out that analogy, the CCIE of the future will probably be reduced to being the CCNP of today. Regardless, I have spent too much time and money to abandon the quest for CCIE now, but frankly, if I hadn't invested as much as I have, I would most likely abandon the quest in favor of broadening into other areas. I really don't see much market value for the CCIE anymore, especially with Cisco hellbent on making it a meatgrinding cash cow. Your java console and one way only to configure experience kind of bears this out. Sorry for the depressing post, just wanted to share. Charles The Long and Winding Road wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Been spending this weekend on what was once the Cisco Advanced SE Training ( ASET ) set of labs. These are available for those whose Cisco account team approves - there are a few conditions which can be found in the wee places of certification training. The program is run by Lab Gear ( the only link I have is www.labgear.net, but this is a login page ) There are a number of labs of CCIE level, look, and feel. Supposed to be real equipment, but the access is via java script windows, not terminal emulation. This makes for some interesting situations. The windows show or provide output only when they are active. So if you had two router sessions open, and you made changes on one router that would generate systems messages of one sort or another you would not see those messages on the other. also, I have yet to find a way to generate output from debugging commands. Things like term mon and logging of one kind or another have not been successful. so no debug ip routing and debug ip ospf adj. As with the real lab, there are a series of tasks to be completed. Grading is done via a script. This is the point of most interest. Actually, I suspect a lot of the current CCIE Lab grading is done using scripting tools. I believe th
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Been spending this weekend on what was once the Cisco Advanced SE Training ( ASET ) set of labs. These are available for those whose Cisco account team approves - there are a few conditions which can be found in the wee places of certification training. The program is run by Lab Gear ( the only link I have is www.labgear.net, but this is a login page ) There are a number of labs of CCIE level, look, and feel. Supposed to be real equipment, but the access is via java script windows, not terminal emulation. This makes for some interesting situations. The windows show or provide output only when they are active. So if you had two router sessions open, and you made changes on one router that would generate systems messages of one sort or another you would not see those messages on the other. also, I have yet to find a way to generate output from debugging commands. Things like term mon and logging of one kind or another have not been successful. so no debug ip routing and debug ip ospf adj. As with the real lab, there are a series of tasks to be completed. Grading is done via a script. This is the point of most interest. Actually, I suspect a lot of the current CCIE Lab grading is done using scripting tools. I believe the proctors still physically examine equipment configurations for some things, but I could be wrong. It is of interest because to judge from the script outputs I am seeing, there appears to be an assumption that there is one and only one way to do things. I'm not sure this is always true. I am not sure that this results in an entirely accurate grade. But more importantly, given my experience with the java consoles and the manner in which these labs must be done, I am not sure I like where this is headed. Something Brian Dennis and Brad Ellis and some other people started talking about back when the CCIE Lab went from two days to one - something about the longer term goal being to do the test remotely, and having people show up at Sylvan or some other testing center and log in remotely. If the Lab Gear approach is any indication, this is not ready for real live testing. I experienced far too many problems with terminal ( javascript ) sessions disconnecting mysteriously. With 8 open windows, it sometimes got to be very hard to find the session ( router ) I was looking for. Cut and paste is a real pain. You have to open a scratchpad window, which is associated with the javascript console window. cutting and pasting is done to this wind. there are scratchpad windows associated with each java wind, so if you had a scratchpad open for every router session, that makes for a LOT of junk to fight your way through looking for what you want. then there is the problem of actually moving what you want to copy and paste. highlight and control c control v or alt e paste don't work. you have to click on buttons on the java consoles to copy to and from routers. beyond that, there is the problems of whether or not the script answer is the right answer. For example, in one lab, a particular instruction requires that the rip routers on a particular segment have to use the neighbor statement to see eachother ( and prevent other routers on that segment from joining into the RIP domain ) well, the problem is, one of those routers is connected to another RIP router via a different interface. need a neighbor statement there too, but the script does not cover this, nor does the answer configuration show this. anyway, I have seen the future, and the CCIE Lab future looks like it may be heading to these kinds of remote lab settings. -- TANSTAAFL there ain't no such thing as a free lunch Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=62756t=62756 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Chuck, Your post reminds me of those weird little ice cream stands that I sometimes see at the mall and various carnivals. It's called something like Dipping Dots - The Ice Cream of the Future. The initial human instinct is much like the Cro-Magnon humanoids encountering the monolith at the beginning of 2001: A Space Odyssey (sp): jump up and down with excitement until you realize it's just freeze dried ice cream. Rounding out that analogy, the CCIE of the future will probably be reduced to being the CCNP of today. Regardless, I have spent too much time and money to abandon the quest for CCIE now, but frankly, if I hadn't invested as much as I have, I would most likely abandon the quest in favor of broadening into other areas. I really don't see much market value for the CCIE anymore, especially with Cisco hellbent on making it a meatgrinding cash cow. Your java console and one way only to configure experience kind of bears this out. Sorry for the depressing post, just wanted to share. Charles The Long and Winding Road wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Been spending this weekend on what was once the Cisco Advanced SE Training ( ASET ) set of labs. These are available for those whose Cisco account team approves - there are a few conditions which can be found in the wee places of certification training. The program is run by Lab Gear ( the only link I have is www.labgear.net, but this is a login page ) There are a number of labs of CCIE level, look, and feel. Supposed to be real equipment, but the access is via java script windows, not terminal emulation. This makes for some interesting situations. The windows show or provide output only when they are active. So if you had two router sessions open, and you made changes on one router that would generate systems messages of one sort or another you would not see those messages on the other. also, I have yet to find a way to generate output from debugging commands. Things like term mon and logging of one kind or another have not been successful. so no debug ip routing and debug ip ospf adj. As with the real lab, there are a series of tasks to be completed. Grading is done via a script. This is the point of most interest. Actually, I suspect a lot of the current CCIE Lab grading is done using scripting tools. I believe the proctors still physically examine equipment configurations for some things, but I could be wrong. It is of interest because to judge from the script outputs I am seeing, there appears to be an assumption that there is one and only one way to do things. I'm not sure this is always true. I am not sure that this results in an entirely accurate grade. But more importantly, given my experience with the java consoles and the manner in which these labs must be done, I am not sure I like where this is headed. Something Brian Dennis and Brad Ellis and some other people started talking about back when the CCIE Lab went from two days to one - something about the longer term goal being to do the test remotely, and having people show up at Sylvan or some other testing center and log in remotely. If the Lab Gear approach is any indication, this is not ready for real live testing. I experienced far too many problems with terminal ( javascript ) sessions disconnecting mysteriously. With 8 open windows, it sometimes got to be very hard to find the session ( router ) I was looking for. Cut and paste is a real pain. You have to open a scratchpad window, which is associated with the javascript console window. cutting and pasting is done to this wind. there are scratchpad windows associated with each java wind, so if you had a scratchpad open for every router session, that makes for a LOT of junk to fight your way through looking for what you want. then there is the problem of actually moving what you want to copy and paste. highlight and control c control v or alt e paste don't work. you have to click on buttons on the java consoles to copy to and from routers. beyond that, there is the problems of whether or not the script answer is the right answer. For example, in one lab, a particular instruction requires that the rip routers on a particular segment have to use the neighbor statement to see eachother ( and prevent other routers on that segment from joining into the RIP domain ) well, the problem is, one of those routers is connected to another RIP router via a different interface. need a neighbor statement there too, but the script does not cover this, nor does the answer configuration show this. anyway, I have seen the future, and the CCIE Lab future looks like it may be heading to these kinds of remote lab settings. -- TANSTAAFL there ain't no such thing as a free lunch Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=62776t=62776 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription in
Re: CCIE Lab - I have seen he future and it is.... [7:62776]
Charles Riley wrote: I think you may have overreacted and scared everybody away! :-) Chuck, Rounding out that analogy, the CCIE of the future will probably be reduced to being the CCNP of today. They can still make CCIE much harder than CCNP and if it is much harder, it will be more valued (probably). Regardless, I have spent too much time and money to abandon the quest for CCIE now, but frankly, if I hadn't invested as much as I have, I would most likely abandon the quest in favor of broadening into other areas. I really don't see much market value for the CCIE anymore, especially with Cisco hellbent on making it a meatgrinding cash cow. They're just trying to save money, be more profitable. We are all trying to do that in these awful economic times. Your java console and one way only to configure experience kind of bears this out. But we don't know if it will be that bad. They could do a good job with this, even if it is somewhat automated. They've got some really smart people working for them. I would say, continue with your plans (as you said you were going to) and don't get depressed! Watch for black/white thinking, over-reacting, generalizing etc. Those can lead to depression Priscilla Sorry for the depressing post, just wanted to share. Charles The Long and Winding Road wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Been spending this weekend on what was once the Cisco Advanced SE Training ( ASET ) set of labs. These are available for those whose Cisco account team approves - there are a few conditions which can be found in the wee places of certification training. The program is run by Lab Gear ( the only link I have is www.labgear.net, but this is a login page ) There are a number of labs of CCIE level, look, and feel. Supposed to be real equipment, but the access is via java script windows, not terminal emulation. This makes for some interesting situations. The windows show or provide output only when they are active. So if you had two router sessions open, and you made changes on one router that would generate systems messages of one sort or another you would not see those messages on the other. also, I have yet to find a way to generate output from debugging commands. Things like term mon and logging of one kind or another have not been successful. so no debug ip routing and debug ip ospf adj. As with the real lab, there are a series of tasks to be completed. Grading is done via a script. This is the point of most interest. Actually, I suspect a lot of the current CCIE Lab grading is done using scripting tools. I believe the proctors still physically examine equipment configurations for some things, but I could be wrong. It is of interest because to judge from the script outputs I am seeing, there appears to be an assumption that there is one and only one way to do things. I'm not sure this is always true. I am not sure that this results in an entirely accurate grade. But more importantly, given my experience with the java consoles and the manner in which these labs must be done, I am not sure I like where this is headed. Something Brian Dennis and Brad Ellis and some other people started talking about back when the CCIE Lab went from two days to one - something about the longer term goal being to do the test remotely, and having people show up at Sylvan or some other testing center and log in remotely. If the Lab Gear approach is any indication, this is not ready for real live testing. I experienced far too many problems with terminal ( javascript ) sessions disconnecting mysteriously. With 8 open windows, it sometimes got to be very hard to find the session ( router ) I was looking for. Cut and paste is a real pain. You have to open a scratchpad window, which is associated with the javascript console window. cutting and pasting is done to this wind. there are scratchpad windows associated with each java wind, so if you had a scratchpad open for every router session, that makes for a LOT of junk to fight your way through looking for what you want. then there is the problem of actually moving what you want to copy and paste. highlight and control c control v or alt e paste don't work. you have to click on buttons on the java consoles to copy to and from routers. beyond that, there is the problems of whether or not the script answer is the right answer. For example, in one lab, a particular instruction requires that the rip routers on a particular segment have to use the neighbor statement to see eachother ( and prevent other routers on that segment from joining into the RIP domain ) well, the problem is, one of those routers is connected to another RIP router via a different interface. need a neighbor statement there too, but the scr
Re: CCIE Lab - I have seen he future and it is.... [7:62776]
actually, i think you have it backwardsthe CCNP of tomorrow will be the CCIE of todayCCC tests are getting harder...the bar is being raised if what you state is truly the way you truly feel, then you were in pursuit of the CCIE for the wrong reason in the first place. sorry you're so depressed. Charles Riley wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Chuck, Your post reminds me of those weird little ice cream stands that I sometimes see at the mall and various carnivals. It's called something like Dipping Dots - The Ice Cream of the Future. The initial human instinct is much like the Cro-Magnon humanoids encountering the monolith at the beginning of 2001: A Space Odyssey (sp): jump up and down with excitement until you realize it's just freeze dried ice cream. Rounding out that analogy, the CCIE of the future will probably be reduced to being the CCNP of today. Regardless, I have spent too much time and money to abandon the quest for CCIE now, but frankly, if I hadn't invested as much as I have, I would most likely abandon the quest in favor of broadening into other areas. I really don't see much market value for the CCIE anymore, especially with Cisco hellbent on making it a meatgrinding cash cow. Your java console and one way only to configure experience kind of bears this out. Sorry for the depressing post, just wanted to share. Charles The Long and Winding Road wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Been spending this weekend on what was once the Cisco Advanced SE Training ( ASET ) set of labs. These are available for those whose Cisco account team approves - there are a few conditions which can be found in the wee places of certification training. The program is run by Lab Gear ( the only link I have is www.labgear.net, but this is a login page ) There are a number of labs of CCIE level, look, and feel. Supposed to be real equipment, but the access is via java script windows, not terminal emulation. This makes for some interesting situations. The windows show or provide output only when they are active. So if you had two router sessions open, and you made changes on one router that would generate systems messages of one sort or another you would not see those messages on the other. also, I have yet to find a way to generate output from debugging commands. Things like term mon and logging of one kind or another have not been successful. so no debug ip routing and debug ip ospf adj. As with the real lab, there are a series of tasks to be completed. Grading is done via a script. This is the point of most interest. Actually, I suspect a lot of the current CCIE Lab grading is done using scripting tools. I believe the proctors still physically examine equipment configurations for some things, but I could be wrong. It is of interest because to judge from the script outputs I am seeing, there appears to be an assumption that there is one and only one way to do things. I'm not sure this is always true. I am not sure that this results in an entirely accurate grade. But more importantly, given my experience with the java consoles and the manner in which these labs must be done, I am not sure I like where this is headed. Something Brian Dennis and Brad Ellis and some other people started talking about back when the CCIE Lab went from two days to one - something about the longer term goal being to do the test remotely, and having people show up at Sylvan or some other testing center and log in remotely. If the Lab Gear approach is any indication, this is not ready for real live testing. I experienced far too many problems with terminal ( javascript ) sessions disconnecting mysteriously. With 8 open windows, it sometimes got to be very hard to find the session ( router ) I was looking for. Cut and paste is a real pain. You have to open a scratchpad window, which is associated with the javascript console window. cutting and pasting is done to this wind. there are scratchpad windows associated with each java wind, so if you had a scratchpad open for every router session, that makes for a LOT of junk to fight your way through looking for what you want. then there is the problem of actually moving what you want to copy and paste. highlight and control c control v or alt e paste don't work. you have to click on buttons on the java consoles to copy to and from routers. beyond that, there is the problems of whether or not the script answer is the right answer. For example, in one lab, a particular instruction requires that the rip routers on a particular segment have to use the neighbor statement to see eachother ( and prevent other routers on that segment from joining into the RIP domain ) well, the problem is, one of those routers is connected to another RIP router via a different
DVMRP in the CCIE Lab - ??? [7:62585]
Hello, Is DVMRP covered at all in the new CCIE Lab? Any other new/odd topics? Ex. MRM or PGM?? Thank you. Sincerely, CN _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=62585t=62585 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: DVMRP in the CCIE Lab - ??? [7:62585]
Uh oh. Someone on this list probably pooped their pants after reading CN's message because of the NDA. :-) Probably the most you'll get out of anyone is that it is possible that DVMRP is covered in the new CCIE lab because anything is fair game. Since the Cisco IOS software supports PIM-to-DVMRP interaction, there is a chance you'll see it depending on the lab you get. Shawn K. -Original Message- From: Cisco Nuts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: DVMRP in the CCIE Lab - ??? [7:62585] Hello, Is DVMRP covered at all in the new CCIE Lab? Any other new/odd topics? Ex. MRM or PGM?? Thank you. Sincerely, CN _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=62590t=62585 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: DVMRP in the CCIE Lab - ??? [7:62585]
Ooops!! It should be my pant ;- I did not mean anyone to violate the dreaded NDA. My question should have read: is DVMRP a part of the CCIE topics for the Lab? The reason is that I see a lot of DVMRP material in the cmd. and config. guide but not on other topics MOSPF etc. I guess, then I will have to cover it in my studies for the Lab. Thank you, George for clarifying that!!! Sincerely, CN From: Kaminski, Shawn G Reply-To: Kaminski, Shawn G To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: DVMRP in the CCIE Lab - ??? [7:62585] Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 17:26:04 GMT Uh oh. Someone on this list probably pooped their pants after reading CN's message because of the NDA. :-) Probably the most you'll get out of anyone is that it is possible that DVMRP is covered in the new CCIE lab because anything is fair game. Since the Cisco IOS software supports PIM-to-DVMRP interaction, there is a chance you'll see it depending on the lab you get. Shawn K. -Original Message- From: Cisco Nuts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: DVMRP in the CCIE Lab - ??? [7:62585] Hello, Is DVMRP covered at all in the new CCIE Lab? Any other new/odd topics? Ex. MRM or PGM?? Thank you. Sincerely, CN _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=62597t=62585 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DVMRP in the CCIE Lab - ??? [7:62585]
Cisco Nuts wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Ooops!! It should be my pant ;- I did not mean anyone to violate the dreaded NDA. My question should have read: is DVMRP a part of the CCIE topics for the Lab? The reason is that I see a lot of DVMRP material in the cmd. and config. guide but not on other topics MOSPF etc. I think I can answer this one without violating NDA. MOSPF is not covered in the lab because Cisco has chosen not to support MOSPF in IOS. Surely you would agree that it is not easy to test something in the lab that is not actually supported within Cisco gear.To digress, I am not aware of a single mainstream vendor that currently supports MOSPF (if anybody knows of one, I would like to hear it). Other than that, anything within Cisco gear that is actually supported is fair game. I guess, then I will have to cover it in my studies for the Lab. Thank you, George for clarifying that!!! Sincerely, CN From: Kaminski, Shawn G Reply-To: Kaminski, Shawn G To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: DVMRP in the CCIE Lab - ??? [7:62585] Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 17:26:04 GMT Uh oh. Someone on this list probably pooped their pants after reading CN's message because of the NDA. :-) Probably the most you'll get out of anyone is that it is possible that DVMRP is covered in the new CCIE lab because anything is fair game. Since the Cisco IOS software supports PIM-to-DVMRP interaction, there is a chance you'll see it depending on the lab you get. Shawn K. -Original Message- From: Cisco Nuts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: DVMRP in the CCIE Lab - ??? [7:62585] Hello, Is DVMRP covered at all in the new CCIE Lab? Any other new/odd topics? Ex. MRM or PGM?? Thank you. Sincerely, CN _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=62600t=62585 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DVMRP in the CCIE Lab - ??? [7:62585]
Cisco Nuts wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hello, Is DVMRP covered at all in the new CCIE Lab? Any other new/odd topics? Ex. MRM or PGM?? I'm just dying to talk about some things I did NOT see in the Lab my last trip through. I was quite surprised. Having said that, I'm sure the proctors or their spies will make sure I get totally screwed next time through. ;- I can see it now. Apollo. Vines. ISO IGRP :O Thank you. Sincerely, CN _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=62601t=62585 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: DVMRP in the CCIE Lab - ??? [7:62585]
I think I can answer this one without violating NDA. MOSPF is not covered in the lab because Cisco has chosen not to support MOSPF in IOS. Surely you would agree that it is not easy to test something in the lab that is not actually supported within Cisco gear.To digress, I am not aware of a single mainstream vendor that currently supports MOSPF (if anybody knows of one, I would like to hear it). Be careful what you wish for, there are commands related to MOSPF http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios122/122cgcr/fipr _c/ipcprt2/1cfospf.htm#1001605 -- David C Prall [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dcp.dcptech.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=62603t=62585 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DVMRP in the CCIE Lab - ??? [7:62585]
David C Prall wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I think I can answer this one without violating NDA. MOSPF is not covered in the lab because Cisco has chosen not to support MOSPF in IOS. Surely you would agree that it is not easy to test something in the lab that is not actually supported within Cisco gear.To digress, I am not aware of a single mainstream vendor that currently supports MOSPF (if anybody knows of one, I would like to hear it). Be careful what you wish for, there are commands related to MOSPF http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios122/122cgcr/fipr _c/ipcprt2/1cfospf.htm#1001605 I knew somebody was going to come back with that. To reiterate, the ability to ignore MOSPF LSA's is clearly not the same as actually supporting MOSPF. Supporting MOSPF means, well, the ability to actually run MOSPF - i.e. the ability to actually build an mroute table from type6 LSA's. -- David C Prall [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dcp.dcptech.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=62607t=62585 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DVMRP in the CCIE Lab - ??? [7:62585]
Cisco Nuts wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hello, Is DVMRP covered at all in the new CCIE Lab? Any other new/odd topics? Ex. MRM or PGM?? Thank you. on a more serious note, suppose you were asked to connect one of the routers in your pod to a DVMRP source. Do you know where you would look to find the commands? this gets back to having spent some time reading the documentation - the config guides and command references, just to get a feel for what's there and where to find it. I can guarantee that you will see at least one task in your lab that you have never heard of before, at least not if you haven't spend some time familiarizing yourself with what is in the docs. focus on the core topics - you know what they are. And also become familiar with the doc CD. You can pick up a couple of easy points if you have an idea where to look. I did. For all the good it did me :- Sincerely, CN _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=62615t=62585 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MOSPF (was RE: DVMRP in the CCIE Lab - ??? [7:62585]
At 9:55 PM + 2/6/03, David C Prall wrote: I think I can answer this one without violating NDA. MOSPF is not covered in the lab because Cisco has chosen not to support MOSPF in IOS. Surely you would agree that it is not easy to test something in the lab that is not actually supported within Cisco gear.To digress, I am not aware of a single mainstream vendor that currently supports MOSPF (if anybody knows of one, I would like to hear it). Be careful what you wish for, there are commands related to MOSPF http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios122/122cgcr/fipr _c/ipcprt2/1cfospf.htm#1001605 -- David C Prall [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dcp.dcptech.com But this command is only to ignore MOSPF. The only commercial implementation I knew of was Proteon's, although it might be in some versions of GateD. The only place I ever saw it used was in some relatively small NASA control center applications. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=62619t=62585 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
preparation tips for ccie lab [7:62434]
Hi all, Passed the written and am prepraring to crack the hardest part. I appreciate any tips and recommendation on where to start(equipment is not my concern at this point) and what is the best study strategy in terms of time allocation, focusing areas, good study materials, etc. Thanks in advance Paul Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=62434t=62434 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CCIE Lab requriements [7:60498]
Hello, I checked the cisco web site and find only 2600,3600 routers and 3550 Switches for the RS Practical Exam. I want to know how many wud I need, say to set up atleast 50% lab of the one in the Cisco exam. Anyone who has attended the CCIE lab cud pls help me in this. My intension in setting up lab is to have clear understanding and practical implementation of technologies tested in this lab. Also what all stimulators from exam point of view may be needed. Can we emulate ATM cloud using any of the routers like we can with a frame relay by using a cisco 4000 series router? If yes which router and what card wud be needed. I currently have one 2600 with 8 port A/S card and one 3550 switch and can get one 3600 with WIC-1T from a friend of mine for a couple of days, along with one back to back cable . What all do u think I shud add on? Any help is appreciated. Thanks, Murali Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=60498t=60498 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab requriements [7:60498]
yes, good equipment list . but , I think ... may be add the equipment . it is a atm module : nm-1atm-25 voice module isdn simulator good luck ! Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=60543t=60498 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Security CCIE LAB [7:60553]
Hi, Just a question, looking at the list of equipments for this LAB I see PIX with version 5.2, this brings to me a question should we use the conduit or the last access-list commands ? Thanks and Regards, BF Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=60553t=60553 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Security CCIE LAB [7:60553]
Since both are allowed in 5.2, you should be able to use either set of commands if asked. Having said that, the trend is definitely toward access-lists rather than the conduit format in the real world. IIRC, the new FWSM module doesn't allow conduits at all. Frank Jimenez, CCIE #5738 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bruno Fernandes Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 7:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Security CCIE LAB [7:60553] Hi, Just a question, looking at the list of equipments for this LAB I see PIX with version 5.2, this brings to me a question should we use the conduit or the last access-list commands ? Thanks and Regards, BF Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=60561t=60553 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: CCIE LAB Study partner - UK [7:60116]
Happy New Year group study members ... Is anyone currently studying for the CCIE Lab in the UK? I have 9 Cisco routers / ISDN simulator / most of the CCIE Preparation library and plenty of hands-on experience under my belt and 12 PC to generate plenty of traffic. I am looking for a study partner with ATM, Catalyst 3550 switches and Voice Equipment or someone willing to share the expense of buying those gears. Please contact me off-line if you are interested. My lab is scheduled for October 29 2003. Thank you, Pierre-Alex Guanel tel +44 (0)1695 725408 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=60116t=60116 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CCIE lab equipment for sale [7:60036]
Dear all, I'm selling my cisco lab equipment which contains the following: 1 - Cisco 2610 router, 1 Ethernet, 4 Port Serial card, 2 T1 WIC cards.(32 Mem 8 Flash). 1 - Cisco 2610 router, 1 Ethernet, 3 T1 WIC cards, 1 ISDN card.(32 Mem 8 Flash). 1 - Cisco 2610 router, 1 Ethernet, 16 Asynchronous Serial Line card, 1 Serial card, 1 T1 WIC card.(32 Mem 8 Flash). + Octal cable. 1 - CIsco 2524 router, 1 Ethernet, 1 56k card, 1 ISDN card.(32 Mem 8 Flash). 1 - Cisco 1601 router, 1 Ethernet, 1 ISDN card.(6 Mem 8 Flash). 1 - Cisco 1601R router, 1 Ethernet, 1 56k card.(8 Mem 4 Flash). 1- CIsco 2912 switch. + various cross-over cables for lan, 56k, T1 cards. I would like to get $7,000 USD. All equipment works perfectly fine. Please send all e-mails to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you. _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemailxAPID=42PS=47575PI=7324DI=7474SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsgHL=1216hotmailtaglines_addphotos_3mf Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=60036t=60036 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CCIE Lab Study Materials - including 3550 labs [7:59683]
Appears to be freely available. At least, I found the link after a google search on Bruce Caslow, found a link to the study site, and was able to download these with no problems. Authored by the good folks at netmasters / netcraftsmen, some of whom we know as Caslow, Pavlichenko, and Inghram, good folks all. http://www.netmasterclass.net/site/lib.php Also - don't forget the for-profit folks - NLI / b.o.o.t.c.a.m.p, Lamer Networks, various auctions on you know where, IP Expert, Hello Computers, Gett Labs, and of course Cert Zone, where my own materials for which I was paid are available. Don't forget to take some time for yourselves and for your families and friends these next couple of weeks! Chuck -- TANSTAAFL there ain't no such thing as a free lunch Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=59683t=59683 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CCIE Lab Prep [7:59427]
Hi, There is a good opportunity for those who are preparing for their CCNP CCIE exams/lab to own and run your school in Toronto and prepare for the exams.(EARN as you LEARN)You may need to add a few pieces of cisco equipt.If you are genuinely interested please send me an email. Mohammad Ruhi __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=59427t=59427 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2 x 3550 in new CCIE lab ? [7:59166]
I think that it is true. And both might be running EMI. -- Leonardo Furtado Network Engineering and Security Architecture Thomas Muller wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hallo, I've heard rumors that there are now 2 x 3550 in the new (post Nov 4, 2002) CCIE lab. Can anyone confirm this ? Thomas M|ller [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging more http://www.gmx.net +++ NEU: Mit GMX ins Internet. Rund um die Uhr f|r 1 ct/ Min. surfen! Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=59252t=59166 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What Terminal Emulator is used in the CCIE lab? [7:59267]
What Terminal Emulator is used in the CCIE lab? Can you have multiple sessions (screens) open? Also, I assume it's a workstation with a keyboard, not a nasty laptop. Any info? Thanks Paul Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=59267t=59267 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2 x 3550 in new CCIE lab ? [7:59166]
Hallo, I've heard rumors that there are now 2 x 3550 in the new (post Nov 4, 2002) CCIE lab. Can anyone confirm this ? Thomas M|ller [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging more http://www.gmx.net +++ NEU: Mit GMX ins Internet. Rund um die Uhr f|r 1 ct/ Min. surfen! Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=59166t=59166 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2 x 3550 in new CCIE lab ? [7:59166]
I have heard there are two, but then again if you ask the ccie team they won't tell you directly, at least they wouldn't tell me a week ago what the exact number of each peice of equipment was. Jason Thomas Muller wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hallo, I've heard rumors that there are now 2 x 3550 in the new (post Nov 4, 2002) CCIE lab. Can anyone confirm this ? Thomas M|ller [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging more http://www.gmx.net +++ NEU: Mit GMX ins Internet. Rund um die Uhr f|r 1 ct/ Min. surfen! Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=59196t=59166 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CCIE Lab Test in Canada? [7:59145]
He group, I live in Toronto, I was told that Canadian have to got to Halifax for CCIE LAB test, is it true? Or can I go to U.S. for the test? If I can, what is the nearest City in U.S.? Thanks a lot. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=59145t=59145 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab Test in Canada? [7:59145]
Raleigh, NC www.cisco.com/ccie Victor Jia wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... He group, I live in Toronto, I was told that Canadian have to got to Halifax for CCIE LAB test, is it true? Or can I go to U.S. for the test? If I can, what is the nearest City in U.S.? Thanks a lot. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=59146t=59145 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab Test in Canada? [7:59145]
Don't know where the closest lab is but Halifax was closed down some time ago. I don't think there are any labs in Canada anymore. Kevin Wigle - Original Message - From: Victor Jia To: Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 8:42 PM Subject: CCIE Lab Test in Canada? [7:59145] He group, I live in Toronto, I was told that Canadian have to got to Halifax for CCIE LAB test, is it true? Or can I go to U.S. for the test? If I can, what is the nearest City in U.S.? Thanks a lot. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=59149t=59145 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
