Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342]
contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] i have router sim 2.1 and switch sim + ccno sim i can burn you one :-d i dont sell pirate software . i am helping you to study :-) poeple please dont say i am pirater wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hi to all, > For anybody who own a RouterSim 3.0. I am planning to invest $250.00 buying > RouterSim 3.0 router simulator to preopare for my CCNA certification. Can I > burn a copy of this as my back-up? Can I simultaneously install this to two > hard drives (i.e, to a desk top and to a lap top)? > Please educate me. > > Thanks, > Val Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=11359&t=11342 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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No matter how you slice it, it is still piracy. When you steal, yes steal, from one person/company/institution/etc it matters not what you do with it afterwards (the Robin Hood complex), the original owner has still suffered a loss. However, since you appear to reside in Hong Kong, I am not surprised at your attitude. Hong Kong has long been a source of pirated software and other copywrited material. To answer the original poster's question: You cannot install it on two machines at once. The CD comes with an installation diskette that tracks the installs. You can however, uninstall it from one machine and then install it on another. BTW, I understand that Ver 3.0 is much better than the previous versions, with the previously unavailable ability to change the topology of the network. HTH, Prof. Tom Lisa, CCAI Community College of Southern Nevada Cisco Regional Networking Academy PHIMHONGKONG wrote: > contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] i have router sim 2.1 and switch sim + ccno > sim > i can burn you one > :-d > i dont sell pirate software . i am helping you to study :-) > > poeple please dont say i am pirater > > wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Hi to all, > > For anybody who own a RouterSim 3.0. I am planning to invest $250.00 > buying > > RouterSim 3.0 router simulator to preopare for my CCNA certification. Can > I > > burn a copy of this as my back-up? Can I simultaneously install this to > two > > hard drives (i.e, to a desk top and to a lap top)? > > Please educate me. > > > > Thanks, > > Val Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=11366&t=11342 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Personally, I think it's good to help people and there is a difference being profiting from someones else's work and helping people trying to learn. When I was in school, all the students went in together and bought transcender for the ccna. We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all copied it to use from our school burner. It was registered in a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and learning and him helping us. Not cheating or pirating. Right or wrong, that's what we did. And I will also add that transcender's high points are the excellent explanations at the end of each question. The questions themselves were not geared in a way however to prepare a student for what was coming and the structure of what the real questions were about. If you didn't study the explanations, you might fall into that trap of memorizing and not learning. People will probably disagree with me also... Jennifer Cribbs. [been there, done that] 7/8/2001 2:46:10 PM, "PHIMHONGKONG" wrote: >contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] i have router sim 2.1 and switch sim + ccno >sim >i can burn you one >:-d >i dont sell pirate software . i am helping you to study :-) > >poeple please dont say i am pirater > > wrote in message >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... >> Hi to all, >> For anybody who own a RouterSim 3.0. I am planning to invest $250.00 >buying >> RouterSim 3.0 router simulator to preopare for my CCNA certification. Can >I >> burn a copy of this as my back-up? Can I simultaneously install this to >two >> hard drives (i.e, to a desk top and to a lap top)? >> Please educate me. >> >> Thanks, >> Val Have a great day!! Jennifer Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=11367&t=11342 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I used the RouterSim 2.0. You can install it on different machines...but in order to use it on the other machine you have to remove the license and install it on the other. I did this..but with the 2.0 version is screwed me outright. What I mean is that I removed the license off of my laptop and tried to install it on my desktop system. It wouldn't install.. I then tried to reinstall it back on my laptop..nope! I tried reinstalling the entire program..NOPE! It wouldn't work at all now. I tried customer service... no help! I was out the money I paid for it. I hope 3.0 is much better in that regard. Bottom line: You can install the program on multiple systems and use the single license when you want to enable it on that particular system. -Eric Varner Bell Network Services MCNE, CCNA, CCNA 3 tests left for NP - Original Message - From: Tom Lisa To: Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 4:25 PM Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > No matter how you slice it, it is still piracy. When you steal, yes steal, > from one > person/company/institution/etc it matters not what you do with it afterwards > (the Robin Hood complex), the original owner has still suffered a loss. > > However, since you appear to reside in Hong Kong, I am not surprised at your > attitude. Hong Kong has long been a source of pirated software and other > copywrited material. > > To answer the original poster's question: You cannot install it on two > machines at > once. The CD comes with an installation diskette that tracks the installs. > You can > however, uninstall it from one machine and then install it on another. BTW, > I understand that Ver 3.0 is much better than the previous versions, with the > previously unavailable ability to change the topology of the network. > > HTH, > Prof. Tom Lisa, CCAI > Community College of Southern Nevada > Cisco Regional Networking Academy > > > PHIMHONGKONG wrote: > > > contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] i have router sim 2.1 and switch sim + ccno > > sim > > i can burn you one > > :-d > > i dont sell pirate software . i am helping you to study :-) > > > > poeple please dont say i am pirater > > > > wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Hi to all, > > > For anybody who own a RouterSim 3.0. I am planning to invest $250.00 > > buying > > > RouterSim 3.0 router simulator to preopare for my CCNA certification. > Can > > I > > > burn a copy of this as my back-up? Can I simultaneously install this to > > two > > > hard drives (i.e, to a desk top and to a lap top)? > > > Please educate me. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Val Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=11373&t=11342 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Well, here is another flame war starting... Here is my $0.03 (yes that's three cents, the $0.02 has been overtaken due to increased costs due to illegal use of $0.02, with people not paying for the licenscing fees) I don't advocate piracy. However I am in bitter opposition of the following: overpricedware spinware Overpriced and spinware fall in the same category, this is the type of software that gets advertised extensively, and is released admist a fair amount of spin. However the software fails to deliver it's advertised hype. Some companies offer money-back guarantee's on software that fails to deliver and fulfill the need expected by the consumer. The vast majority however DO NOT. If a company wants to charge another company $15,000 to provide a service, and the service provider fails to provide the service expected, the purchasing company can usually hold the provider in court on charges of amoung other things, fraud, misrepresentation, and unethical business practices. All penalties which usually recover the expense of the hiring provider plus legal fees. This however does not exist for software. You can go out and purchase some $15,000 piece of software with no money back gaurantee. And no reasonable time to discover if on the long run, the software will suffice the need. Under these instances, if the software house is unwilling to provide a trial copy, it's obvious that a consumer is left with overwheliming pressure to pirate the software, and see if it will work, and if does, pay the software maker for it's efforts. Now, let's take it down to the $150.00 level. The kind of level that mainstream consumer software lives at. I still disagree that this software should have a no return policy. And that piracy geared torwards evaluating the software without committment to purchase the software first will continue to happen, and I would say at vigor. And I personally understand it, however I contend that if a user derives benefit directly or indirectly from the continued use of the software, that they should buy a licensed copy and reward the maker for their efforts. That the courts would say that you might have copied the software, and that justifies the software maker's actions, means that you are being proven guilty of the crime of theft without evidence or cause to pass down that judgement, and violates the whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing. Next time you buy a piece of junk software admist a bunch or marketting hype at a local retailer, try to return it. Watch them tell you that you can't due to the fact that you might have copied it. The sad thing is that most of us comply with this gross infrigment of our constitutional rights and say "oh ok". Consumers must quit taking this as the norm. Again, I don't advocate piracy. However I would encourage evaluation of software when there is no other way to determine if the licensing cost is worth the investment, and that after a period of time, that the user either completly remove the software or pay for it. I had a friend once that sued a retailer on their no - return policy and had them settle before it ever went to court. not a big settlement, but in my opinion, an indication that the retailers KNOW it's wrong. In this light, even though I disagree with continued illegal use of pirated software when the software is providing a benefit, and the countries who support it, it is my steadfast conclusion at this time that it has a place in our society, until the rules are changed to restore constitutional rights to the citizens of our country. ""Tom Lisa"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > No matter how you slice it, it is still piracy. When you steal, yes steal, > from one > person/company/institution/etc it matters not what you do with it afterwards > (the Robin Hood complex), the original owner has still suffered a loss. > > However, since you appear to reside in Hong Kong, I am not surprised at your > attitude. Hong Kong has long been a source of pirated software and other > copywrited material. > > To answer the original poster's question: You cannot install it on two > machines at > once. The CD comes with an installation diskette that tracks the installs. > You can > however, uninstall it from one machine and then install it on another. BTW, > I understand that Ver 3.0 is much better than the previous versions, with the > previously unavailable ability to change the topology of the network. > > HTH, > Prof. Tom Lisa, CCAI > Community College of Southern Nevada > Cisco Regional Networking Academy > > > PHIMHONGKONG wrote: > > > contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] i have router sim 2.1 and switch sim + ccno > > sim > > i can burn you one > > :-d > > i dont sell pirate software . i am helping you to study :-) > > > > poeple please dont say i am pirater > > > > wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Hi to all, > > > For anybody who own a RouterSim 3.0.
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In today's litigious world, I'm surprised that anyone would go onto a respected mailing list and publicly admit that they're guilty of software piracy and provide enough details to be tracked down. Then further implicate the school by using their equipment and further implicate a "co-instructor" at the school. I'm sure it wouldn't take much sleuthing to find the school, the co-instructor's name and the entire "ring". I'm not saying I'm lily white but I don't advertise my indiscretions to the world. I'm sure a company like Cisco does not want it to be known that a school allowed (either explicitly or through negligence) software piracy had anything to do with the academy. At the end of the day it is theft, we can all debate the problems of obtaining affordable training/schooling, but at the end of the debate - it is theft. The school could be sued, the academy could be withdrawn, the co-instructor could lose his job and legal expenses could make whatever profit you thought you made unavailable for a long time. Why would you want to tell us about it? Kevin Wigle - Original Message - From: "Jennifer Cribbs" To: Sent: Sunday, 08 July, 2001 17:42 Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > Personally, I think it's good to help people and there is a difference being > profiting from someones else's work and > helping people trying to learn. When I was in school, all the students went > in together and bought transcender for the > ccna. We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all copied it to > use from our school burner. It was registered in > a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and learning and > him helping us. Not cheating or pirating. > Right or wrong, that's what we did. And I will also add that transcender's > high points are the excellent explanations at > the end of each question. The questions themselves were not geared in a way > however to prepare a student for what > was coming and the structure of what the real questions were about. If you > didn't study the explanations, you might fall > into that trap of memorizing and not learning. > > People will probably disagree with me also... > > Jennifer Cribbs. > [been there, done that] > > 7/8/2001 2:46:10 PM, "PHIMHONGKONG" wrote: > > >contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] i have router sim 2.1 and switch sim + ccno > >sim > >i can burn you one > >:-d > >i dont sell pirate software . i am helping you to study :-) > > > >poeple please dont say i am pirater > > > > wrote in message > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > >> Hi to all, > >> For anybody who own a RouterSim 3.0. I am planning to invest $250.00 > >buying > >> RouterSim 3.0 router simulator to preopare for my CCNA certification. Can > >I > >> burn a copy of this as my back-up? Can I simultaneously install this to > >two > >> hard drives (i.e, to a desk top and to a lap top)? > >> Please educate me. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Val > Have a great day!! > Jennifer Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=11395&t=11342 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Kevin, I am not saying I am guilty of anything...You are! When you are in a semester of school virtually inexperienced in the computer realm, things happen. I am merely replying to a mail that was posted here. You think it is a soft piracy ring??...and it will be my fault they get caught??...I don't think so Kevin. You are the one who is wrong. I was the student on a learning quest. And if I was wrong and this is the worst thing I ever do, then I won't worry or lose sleep over it. There are so few indescretions in my life that this one just kinda sticks out and came to mind...Sorry for the stress my post caused you. Jennifer 7/8/2001 8:41:46 PM, "Kevin Wigle" wrote: >In today's litigious world, I'm surprised that anyone would go onto a >respected mailing list and publicly admit that they're guilty of software >piracy and provide enough details to be tracked down. > >Then further implicate the school by using their equipment and further >implicate a "co-instructor" at the school. > >I'm sure it wouldn't take much sleuthing to find the school, the >co-instructor's name and the entire "ring". > >I'm not saying I'm lily white but I don't advertise my indiscretions to the >world. I'm sure a company like Cisco does not want it to be known that a >school allowed (either explicitly or through negligence) software piracy had >anything to do with the academy. > >At the end of the day it is theft, we can all debate the problems of >obtaining affordable training/schooling, but at the end of the debate - it >is theft. The school could be sued, the academy could be withdrawn, the >co-instructor could lose his job and legal expenses could make whatever >profit you thought you made unavailable for a long time. > >Why would you want to tell us about it? > >Kevin Wigle > > >- Original Message - >From: "Jennifer Cribbs" >To: >Sent: Sunday, 08 July, 2001 17:42 >Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > >> Personally, I think it's good to help people and there is a difference >being >> profiting from someones else's work and >> helping people trying to learn. When I was in school, all the students >went >> in together and bought transcender for the >> ccna. We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all copied it to >> use from our school burner. It was registered in >> a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and learning and >> him helping us. Not cheating or pirating. >> Right or wrong, that's what we did. And I will also add that >transcender's >> high points are the excellent explanations at >> the end of each question. The questions themselves were not geared in a >way >> however to prepare a student for what >> was coming and the structure of what the real questions were about. If >you >> didn't study the explanations, you might fall >> into that trap of memorizing and not learning. >> >> People will probably disagree with me also... >> >> Jennifer Cribbs. >> [been there, done that] >> >> 7/8/2001 2:46:10 PM, "PHIMHONGKONG" wrote: >> >> >contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] i have router sim 2.1 and switch sim + >ccno >> >sim >> >i can burn you one >> >:-d >> >i dont sell pirate software . i am helping you to study :-) >> > >> >poeple please dont say i am pirater >> > >> > wrote in message >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... >> >> Hi to all, >> >> For anybody who own a RouterSim 3.0. I am planning to invest $250.00 >> >buying >> >> RouterSim 3.0 router simulator to preopare for my CCNA certification. >Can >> >I >> >> burn a copy of this as my back-up? Can I simultaneously install this to >> >two >> >> hard drives (i.e, to a desk top and to a lap top)? >> >> Please educate me. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Val >> Have a great day!! >> Jennifer Have a great day!! Jennifer Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=11401&t=11342 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I am not used to being a defender of my actions Kevin. I am stopping this. We don't feel the same and I do not want to be placed in the positon of having to defend a point in my personal history that you disagree with me about. Maybe I shouldn't have said anything, but I am not used to keeping secrets either. I am an honest person and it is pointless to continue this. I should not have even replied to your baited question. After accusations, answers are pointless, for accusations only breed a heated response, and I am not going to get caught up in that. 7/8/2001 11:43:43 PM, Jennifer Cribbs wrote: >Kevin, > >I am not saying I am guilty of anything...You are! When you are in a semester of school virtually inexperienced in the >computer realm, things happen. I am merely replying to a mail that was posted here. > >You think it is a soft piracy ring??...and it will be my fault they get caught??...I don't think so Kevin. You are the one >who is wrong. I was the student on a learning quest. And if I was wrong and this is the worst thing I ever do, then I >won't worry or lose sleep over it. > >There are so few indescretions in my life that this one just kinda sticks out and came to mind...Sorry for the stress my >post caused you. > >Jennifer > > > > > >7/8/2001 8:41:46 PM, "Kevin Wigle" wrote: > >>In today's litigious world, I'm surprised that anyone would go onto a >>respected mailing list and publicly admit that they're guilty of software >>piracy and provide enough details to be tracked down. >> >>Then further implicate the school by using their equipment and further >>implicate a "co-instructor" at the school. >> >>I'm sure it wouldn't take much sleuthing to find the school, the >>co-instructor's name and the entire "ring". >> >>I'm not saying I'm lily white but I don't advertise my indiscretions to the >>world. I'm sure a company like Cisco does not want it to be known that a >>school allowed (either explicitly or through negligence) software piracy had >>anything to do with the academy. >> >>At the end of the day it is theft, we can all debate the problems of >>obtaining affordable training/schooling, but at the end of the debate - it >>is theft. The school could be sued, the academy could be withdrawn, the >>co-instructor could lose his job and legal expenses could make whatever >>profit you thought you made unavailable for a long time. >> >>Why would you want to tell us about it? >> >>Kevin Wigle >> >> >>- Original Message - >>From: "Jennifer Cribbs" >>To: >>Sent: Sunday, 08 July, 2001 17:42 >>Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] >> >> >>> Personally, I think it's good to help people and there is a difference >>being >>> profiting from someones else's work and >>> helping people trying to learn. When I was in school, all the students >>went >>> in together and bought transcender for the >>> ccna. We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all copied it to >>> use from our school burner. It was registered in >>> a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and learning and >>> him helping us. Not cheating or pirating. >>> Right or wrong, that's what we did. And I will also add that >>transcender's >>> high points are the excellent explanations at >>> the end of each question. The questions themselves were not geared in a >>way >>> however to prepare a student for what >>> was coming and the structure of what the real questions were about. If >>you >>> didn't study the explanations, you might fall >>> into that trap of memorizing and not learning. >>> >>> People will probably disagree with me also... >>> >>> Jennifer Cribbs. >>> [been there, done that] >>> >>> 7/8/2001 2:46:10 PM, "PHIMHONGKONG" wrote: >>> >>> >contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] i have router sim 2.1 and switch sim + >>ccno >>> >sim >>> >i can burn you one >>> >:-d >>> >i dont sell pirate software . i am helping you to study :-) >>> > >>> >poeple please dont say i am pirater >>> > >>> > wrote in message >>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... >>> >> Hi to all, >>> >> For anybody who own a RouterSim 3.0. I am planning to invest $250.00 >>> >buying >>> >> RouterSim 3.0 router simulator to preopare for my CCNA certification. >>Can >>> >I >>> >> burn a copy of this as my back-up? Can I simultaneously install this to >>> >two >>> >> hard drives (i.e, to a desk top and to a lap top)? >>> >> Please educate me. >>> >> >>> >> Thanks, >>> >> Val >>> Have a great day!! >>> Jennifer >Have a great day!! >Jennifer > Have a great day!! Jennifer Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=11405&t=11342 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jennifer, I'm not condemning you. I've read your posts and I thought you a rational person. But just read this "We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all copied it to use from our school burner. It was registered in a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and learning and him helping us. Not cheating or pirating. Right or wrong, that's what we did. " Can't get much closer to a confession than that. "We" normally includes the person talking but I'll let the lawyers haggle that one. Anyway, think of all the people on this list that make this list such a great place for learning. Howard Berkowitz, Author and Instructor Tom Lisa, Author and Instructor Priscilla Oppenheimer, Author and Instructor Not to mention the many CCIE's on the list. They give their time freely to the list which is as good as it gets. On the other hand, some people still want to steal from them and others. I just can't seem to reconcile how anybody can steal their work and then post to a mailing list where they contribute freely. The Transcenders are not their work but the pricipal is the same. Like I said, I have used "evaluation" software so I'm not saying I'm above the same issues, but I have bought legal copies of anything I found to be useful. Also, I don't post to a publc place that may unwittingly cast suspicion on other people. And just one more thing, if you continue to post to a public email list or participate in any public endeavor - then you should be prepared to have people question your actions and for you to defend them. Such debates normally are not meant to destroy the other person but to gain more insight or impart advice/knowledge. Take this as you will. Kevin Wigle - Original Message - From: "Jennifer Cribbs" To: Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:45 AM Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > I am not used to being a defender of my actions Kevin. I am stopping this. > We don't feel the same and I do not want > to be placed in the positon of having to defend a point in my personal > history that you disagree with me about. Maybe I > shouldn't have said anything, but I am not used to keeping secrets either. I > am an honest person and it is pointless to > continue this. I should not have even replied to your baited question. > After accusations, answers are pointless, for > accusations only breed a heated response, and I am not going to get caught > up in that. > > 7/8/2001 11:43:43 PM, Jennifer Cribbs wrote: > > >Kevin, > > > >I am not saying I am guilty of anything...You are! When you are in a > semester of school virtually inexperienced in the > >computer realm, things happen. I am merely replying to a mail that was > posted here. > > > >You think it is a soft piracy ring??...and it will be my fault they get > caught??...I don't think so Kevin. You are the one > >who is wrong. I was the student on a learning quest. And if I was wrong > and this is the worst thing I ever do, then I > >won't worry or lose sleep over it. > > > >There are so few indescretions in my life that this one just kinda sticks > out and came to mind...Sorry for the stress my > >post caused you. > > > >Jennifer > > > > > > > > > > > >7/8/2001 8:41:46 PM, "Kevin Wigle" wrote: > > > >>In today's litigious world, I'm surprised that anyone would go onto a > >>respected mailing list and publicly admit that they're guilty of software > >>piracy and provide enough details to be tracked down. > >> > >>Then further implicate the school by using their equipment and further > >>implicate a "co-instructor" at the school. > >> > >>I'm sure it wouldn't take much sleuthing to find the school, the > >>co-instructor's name and the entire "ring". > >> > >>I'm not saying I'm lily white but I don't advertise my indiscretions to the > >>world. I'm sure a company like Cisco does not want it to be known that a > >>school allowed (either explicitly or through negligence) software piracy > had > >>anything to do with the academy. > >> > >>At the end of the day it is theft, we can all debate the problems of > >>obtaining affordable training/schooling, but at the end of the debate - it > >>is theft. The school could be sued, the academy could be withdrawn, the > >>co-instructor could lose his job and legal expenses could make whatever > >>profit you thought you made unavailable for a long time. > >> > >>Why would you want to
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Rational or otherwise, an already convicted thief or not, I have withdrawn my subscription from groupstudy.. 7/9/2001 8:42:33 AM, "Kevin Wigle" wrote: >Jennifer, > >I'm not condemning you. I've read your posts and I thought you a rational >person. > >But just read this > >"We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all copied it to >use from our school burner. It was registered in >a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and learning and >him helping us. Not cheating or pirating. >Right or wrong, that's what we did. " > >Can't get much closer to a confession than that. "We" normally includes the >person talking but I'll let the lawyers haggle that one. > >Anyway, think of all the people on this list that make this list such a >great place for learning. > >Howard Berkowitz, Author and Instructor > >Tom Lisa, Author and Instructor > >Priscilla Oppenheimer, Author and Instructor > >Not to mention the many CCIE's on the list. > >They give their time freely to the list which is as good as it gets. > >On the other hand, some people still want to steal from them and others. > >I just can't seem to reconcile how anybody can steal their work and then >post to a mailing list where they contribute freely. The Transcenders are >not their work but the pricipal is the same. > >Like I said, I have used "evaluation" software so I'm not saying I'm above >the same issues, but I have bought legal copies of anything I found to be >useful. Also, I don't post to a publc place that may unwittingly cast >suspicion on other people. > >And just one more thing, if you continue to post to a public email list or >participate in any public endeavor - then you should be prepared to have >people question your actions and for you to defend them. Such debates >normally are not meant to destroy the other person but to gain more insight >or impart advice/knowledge. > >Take this as you will. > >Kevin Wigle > > >- Original Message - >From: "Jennifer Cribbs" >To: >Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:45 AM >Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > >> I am not used to being a defender of my actions Kevin. I am stopping >this. >> We don't feel the same and I do not want >> to be placed in the positon of having to defend a point in my personal >> history that you disagree with me about. Maybe I >> shouldn't have said anything, but I am not used to keeping secrets either. >I >> am an honest person and it is pointless to >> continue this. I should not have even replied to your baited question. >> After accusations, answers are pointless, for >> accusations only breed a heated response, and I am not going to get caught >> up in that. >> >> 7/8/2001 11:43:43 PM, Jennifer Cribbs wrote: >> >> >Kevin, >> > >> >I am not saying I am guilty of anything...You are! When you are in a >> semester of school virtually inexperienced in the >> >computer realm, things happen. I am merely replying to a mail that was >> posted here. >> > >> >You think it is a soft piracy ring??...and it will be my fault they get >> caught??...I don't think so Kevin. You are the one >> >who is wrong. I was the student on a learning quest. And if I was wrong >> and this is the worst thing I ever do, then I >> >won't worry or lose sleep over it. >> > >> >There are so few indescretions in my life that this one just kinda sticks >> out and came to mind...Sorry for the stress my >> >post caused you. >> > >> >Jennifer >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >7/8/2001 8:41:46 PM, "Kevin Wigle" wrote: >> > >> >>In today's litigious world, I'm surprised that anyone would go onto a >> >>respected mailing list and publicly admit that they're guilty of >software >> >>piracy and provide enough details to be tracked down. >> >> >> >>Then further implicate the school by using their equipment and further >> >>implicate a "co-instructor" at the school. >> >> >> >>I'm sure it wouldn't take much sleuthing to find the school, the >> >>co-instructor's name and the entire "ring". >> >> >> >>I'm not saying I'm lily white but I don't advertise my indiscretions to >the >> >>world. I'm sure a company like Cisco does not want it to be known tha
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Give it a rest huh Maybe you to ought to take your spat off-line. - Original Message - From: "Kevin Wigle" To: Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 9:48 AM Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > Jennifer, > > I'm not condemning you. I've read your posts and I thought you a rational > person. > > But just read this > > "We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all copied it to > use from our school burner. It was registered in > a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and learning and > him helping us. Not cheating or pirating. > Right or wrong, that's what we did. " > > Can't get much closer to a confession than that. "We" normally includes the > person talking but I'll let the lawyers haggle that one. > > Anyway, think of all the people on this list that make this list such a > great place for learning. > > Howard Berkowitz, Author and Instructor > > Tom Lisa, Author and Instructor > > Priscilla Oppenheimer, Author and Instructor > > Not to mention the many CCIE's on the list. > > They give their time freely to the list which is as good as it gets. > > On the other hand, some people still want to steal from them and others. > > I just can't seem to reconcile how anybody can steal their work and then > post to a mailing list where they contribute freely. The Transcenders are > not their work but the pricipal is the same. > > Like I said, I have used "evaluation" software so I'm not saying I'm above > the same issues, but I have bought legal copies of anything I found to be > useful. Also, I don't post to a publc place that may unwittingly cast > suspicion on other people. > > And just one more thing, if you continue to post to a public email list or > participate in any public endeavor - then you should be prepared to have > people question your actions and for you to defend them. Such debates > normally are not meant to destroy the other person but to gain more insight > or impart advice/knowledge. > > Take this as you will. > > Kevin Wigle > > > - Original Message - > From: "Jennifer Cribbs" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:45 AM > Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > > > I am not used to being a defender of my actions Kevin. I am stopping > this. > > We don't feel the same and I do not want > > to be placed in the positon of having to defend a point in my personal > > history that you disagree with me about. Maybe I > > shouldn't have said anything, but I am not used to keeping secrets either. > I > > am an honest person and it is pointless to > > continue this. I should not have even replied to your baited question. > > After accusations, answers are pointless, for > > accusations only breed a heated response, and I am not going to get caught > > up in that. > > > > 7/8/2001 11:43:43 PM, Jennifer Cribbs wrote: > > > > >Kevin, > > > > > >I am not saying I am guilty of anything...You are! When you are in a > > semester of school virtually inexperienced in the > > >computer realm, things happen. I am merely replying to a mail that was > > posted here. > > > > > >You think it is a soft piracy ring??...and it will be my fault they get > > caught??...I don't think so Kevin. You are the one > > >who is wrong. I was the student on a learning quest. And if I was wrong > > and this is the worst thing I ever do, then I > > >won't worry or lose sleep over it. > > > > > >There are so few indescretions in my life that this one just kinda sticks > > out and came to mind...Sorry for the stress my > > >post caused you. > > > > > >Jennifer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >7/8/2001 8:41:46 PM, "Kevin Wigle" wrote: > > > > > >>In today's litigious world, I'm surprised that anyone would go onto a > > >>respected mailing list and publicly admit that they're guilty of > software > > >>piracy and provide enough details to be tracked down. > > >> > > >>Then further implicate the school by using their equipment and further > > >>implicate a "co-instructor" at the school. > > >> > > >>I'm sure it wouldn't take much sleuthing to find the school, the > > >>co-instructor's name and the entire "ring". > > >> > > >>I'm not saying I'm lily white but I don't adv
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Well, believe it or not I'm sorry that you feel that you have to unsubscribe from the list. I was attempting to enjoin you in a debate about what many people, not just yourself - consider acceptable practice. I wish you good fortune in your future endeavours. Kevin Wigle - Original Message - From: "Jennifer Cribbs" To: "Kevin Wigle" ; Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:04 AM Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > Rational or otherwise, an already convicted thief or not, I have withdrawn my subscription from groupstudy.. > > 7/9/2001 8:42:33 AM, "Kevin Wigle" wrote: > > >Jennifer, > > > >I'm not condemning you. I've read your posts and I thought you a rational > >person. > > > >But just read this > > > >"We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all copied it to > >use from our school burner. It was registered in > >a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and learning and > >him helping us. Not cheating or pirating. > >Right or wrong, that's what we did. " > > > >Can't get much closer to a confession than that. "We" normally includes the > >person talking but I'll let the lawyers haggle that one. > > > >Anyway, think of all the people on this list that make this list such a > >great place for learning. > > > >Howard Berkowitz, Author and Instructor > > > >Tom Lisa, Author and Instructor > > > >Priscilla Oppenheimer, Author and Instructor > > > >Not to mention the many CCIE's on the list. > > > >They give their time freely to the list which is as good as it gets. > > > >On the other hand, some people still want to steal from them and others. > > > >I just can't seem to reconcile how anybody can steal their work and then > >post to a mailing list where they contribute freely. The Transcenders are > >not their work but the pricipal is the same. > > > >Like I said, I have used "evaluation" software so I'm not saying I'm above > >the same issues, but I have bought legal copies of anything I found to be > >useful. Also, I don't post to a publc place that may unwittingly cast > >suspicion on other people. > > > >And just one more thing, if you continue to post to a public email list or > >participate in any public endeavor - then you should be prepared to have > >people question your actions and for you to defend them. Such debates > >normally are not meant to destroy the other person but to gain more insight > >or impart advice/knowledge. > > > >Take this as you will. > > > >Kevin Wigle > > > > > >- Original Message - > >From: "Jennifer Cribbs" > >To: > >Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:45 AM > >Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > > > > >> I am not used to being a defender of my actions Kevin. I am stopping > >this. > >> We don't feel the same and I do not want > >> to be placed in the positon of having to defend a point in my personal > >> history that you disagree with me about. Maybe I > >> shouldn't have said anything, but I am not used to keeping secrets either. > >I > >> am an honest person and it is pointless to > >> continue this. I should not have even replied to your baited question. > >> After accusations, answers are pointless, for > >> accusations only breed a heated response, and I am not going to get caught > >> up in that. > >> > >> 7/8/2001 11:43:43 PM, Jennifer Cribbs wrote: > >> > >> >Kevin, > >> > > >> >I am not saying I am guilty of anything...You are! When you are in a > >> semester of school virtually inexperienced in the > >> >computer realm, things happen. I am merely replying to a mail that was > >> posted here. > >> > > >> >You think it is a soft piracy ring??...and it will be my fault they get > >> caught??...I don't think so Kevin. You are the one > >> >who is wrong. I was the student on a learning quest. And if I was wrong > >> and this is the worst thing I ever do, then I > >> >won't worry or lose sleep over it. > >> > > >> >There are so few indescretions in my life that this one just kinda sticks > >> out and came to mind...Sorry for the stress my > >> >post caused you. > >> > > >> >Jennifer > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >&
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Fine. That is still your take on it. Since you are talking to one person, why don't you speak to that person? I wouldn't assume the rest of the group needs to hear your view on the morality of piracy. - Original Message - From: "Kevin Wigle" To: "Curtis Phillips" ; Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:24 AM Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > This is not a spat. > > It was a serious discussion that needs to be addressed everytime it comes > up. > > Kevin Wigle > > - Original Message - > From: "Curtis Phillips" > To: "Kevin Wigle" ; > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:07 AM > Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > > > Give it a rest huh > > > > Maybe you to ought to take your spat off-line. > > > > > > ----- Original Message - > > From: "Kevin Wigle" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 9:48 AM > > Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > > > > > > Jennifer, > > > > > > I'm not condemning you. I've read your posts and I thought you a > rational > > > person. > > > > > > But just read this > > > > > > "We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all copied it to > > > use from our school burner. It was registered in > > > a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and learning > and > > > him helping us. Not cheating or pirating. > > > Right or wrong, that's what we did. " > > > > > > Can't get much closer to a confession than that. "We" normally includes > > the > > > person talking but I'll let the lawyers haggle that one. > > > > > > Anyway, think of all the people on this list that make this list such a > > > great place for learning. > > > > > > Howard Berkowitz, Author and Instructor > > > > > > Tom Lisa, Author and Instructor > > > > > > Priscilla Oppenheimer, Author and Instructor > > > > > > Not to mention the many CCIE's on the list. > > > > > > They give their time freely to the list which is as good as it gets. > > > > > > On the other hand, some people still want to steal from them and others. > > > > > > I just can't seem to reconcile how anybody can steal their work and then > > > post to a mailing list where they contribute freely. The Transcenders > are > > > not their work but the pricipal is the same. > > > > > > Like I said, I have used "evaluation" software so I'm not saying I'm > above > > > the same issues, but I have bought legal copies of anything I found to > be > > > useful. Also, I don't post to a publc place that may unwittingly cast > > > suspicion on other people. > > > > > > And just one more thing, if you continue to post to a public email list > or > > > participate in any public endeavor - then you should be prepared to have > > > people question your actions and for you to defend them. Such debates > > > normally are not meant to destroy the other person but to gain more > > insight > > > or impart advice/knowledge. > > > > > > Take this as you will. > > > > > > Kevin Wigle > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Jennifer Cribbs" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:45 AM > > > Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > > > > > > > > > I am not used to being a defender of my actions Kevin. I am stopping > > > this. > > > > We don't feel the same and I do not want > > > > to be placed in the positon of having to defend a point in my personal > > > > history that you disagree with me about. Maybe I > > > > shouldn't have said anything, but I am not used to keeping secrets > > either. > > > I > > > > am an honest person and it is pointless to > > > > continue this. I should not have even replied to your baited > question. > > > > After accusations, answers are pointless, for > > > > accusations only breed a heated response, and I am not going to get > > caught > > > > up in that. > > > > > > > > 7/8/2001 11:43:43 PM, Jennifer Cribbs wrote: > > > > > > > > >Kevin, > > > > > > > > > >I am not saying I am guilty of anything...Y
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"Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone." Or something. Karl - Original Message - From: "Curtis Phillips" To: Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 3:22 PM Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > Give it a rest huh > > Maybe you to ought to take your spat off-line. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Kevin Wigle" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 9:48 AM > Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > > > Jennifer, > > > > I'm not condemning you. I've read your posts and I thought you a rational > > person. > > > > But just read this > > > > "We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all copied it to > > use from our school burner. It was registered in > > a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and learning and > > him helping us. Not cheating or pirating. > > Right or wrong, that's what we did. " > > > > Can't get much closer to a confession than that. "We" normally includes > the > > person talking but I'll let the lawyers haggle that one. > > > > Anyway, think of all the people on this list that make this list such a > > great place for learning. > > > > Howard Berkowitz, Author and Instructor > > > > Tom Lisa, Author and Instructor > > > > Priscilla Oppenheimer, Author and Instructor > > > > Not to mention the many CCIE's on the list. > > > > They give their time freely to the list which is as good as it gets. > > > > On the other hand, some people still want to steal from them and others. > > > > I just can't seem to reconcile how anybody can steal their work and then > > post to a mailing list where they contribute freely. The Transcenders are > > not their work but the pricipal is the same. > > > > Like I said, I have used "evaluation" software so I'm not saying I'm above > > the same issues, but I have bought legal copies of anything I found to be > > useful. Also, I don't post to a publc place that may unwittingly cast > > suspicion on other people. > > > > And just one more thing, if you continue to post to a public email list or > > participate in any public endeavor - then you should be prepared to have > > people question your actions and for you to defend them. Such debates > > normally are not meant to destroy the other person but to gain more > insight > > or impart advice/knowledge. > > > > Take this as you will. > > > > Kevin Wigle > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Jennifer Cribbs" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:45 AM > > Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > > > > > > I am not used to being a defender of my actions Kevin. I am stopping > > this. > > > We don't feel the same and I do not want > > > to be placed in the positon of having to defend a point in my personal > > > history that you disagree with me about. Maybe I > > > shouldn't have said anything, but I am not used to keeping secrets > either. > > I > > > am an honest person and it is pointless to > > > continue this. I should not have even replied to your baited question. > > > After accusations, answers are pointless, for > > > accusations only breed a heated response, and I am not going to get > caught > > > up in that. > > > > > > 7/8/2001 11:43:43 PM, Jennifer Cribbs wrote: > > > > > > >Kevin, > > > > > > > >I am not saying I am guilty of anything...You are! When you are in a > > > semester of school virtually inexperienced in the > > > >computer realm, things happen. I am merely replying to a mail that was > > > posted here. > > > > > > > >You think it is a soft piracy ring??...and it will be my fault they get > > > caught??...I don't think so Kevin. You are the one > > > >who is wrong. I was the student on a learning quest. And if I was > wrong > > > and this is the worst thing I ever do, then I > > > >won't worry or lose sleep over it. > > > > > > > >There are so few indescretions in my life that this one just kinda > sticks > > > out and came to mind...Sorry for the stress my > > > >post caused you. > > > > > > > >Jennifer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >7/8/2001
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This is not a spat. It was a serious discussion that needs to be addressed everytime it comes up. Kevin Wigle - Original Message - From: "Curtis Phillips" To: "Kevin Wigle" ; Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:07 AM Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > Give it a rest huh > > Maybe you to ought to take your spat off-line. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Kevin Wigle" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 9:48 AM > Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > > > Jennifer, > > > > I'm not condemning you. I've read your posts and I thought you a rational > > person. > > > > But just read this > > > > "We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all copied it to > > use from our school burner. It was registered in > > a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and learning and > > him helping us. Not cheating or pirating. > > Right or wrong, that's what we did. " > > > > Can't get much closer to a confession than that. "We" normally includes > the > > person talking but I'll let the lawyers haggle that one. > > > > Anyway, think of all the people on this list that make this list such a > > great place for learning. > > > > Howard Berkowitz, Author and Instructor > > > > Tom Lisa, Author and Instructor > > > > Priscilla Oppenheimer, Author and Instructor > > > > Not to mention the many CCIE's on the list. > > > > They give their time freely to the list which is as good as it gets. > > > > On the other hand, some people still want to steal from them and others. > > > > I just can't seem to reconcile how anybody can steal their work and then > > post to a mailing list where they contribute freely. The Transcenders are > > not their work but the pricipal is the same. > > > > Like I said, I have used "evaluation" software so I'm not saying I'm above > > the same issues, but I have bought legal copies of anything I found to be > > useful. Also, I don't post to a publc place that may unwittingly cast > > suspicion on other people. > > > > And just one more thing, if you continue to post to a public email list or > > participate in any public endeavor - then you should be prepared to have > > people question your actions and for you to defend them. Such debates > > normally are not meant to destroy the other person but to gain more > insight > > or impart advice/knowledge. > > > > Take this as you will. > > > > Kevin Wigle > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Jennifer Cribbs" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:45 AM > > Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > > > > > > I am not used to being a defender of my actions Kevin. I am stopping > > this. > > > We don't feel the same and I do not want > > > to be placed in the positon of having to defend a point in my personal > > > history that you disagree with me about. Maybe I > > > shouldn't have said anything, but I am not used to keeping secrets > either. > > I > > > am an honest person and it is pointless to > > > continue this. I should not have even replied to your baited question. > > > After accusations, answers are pointless, for > > > accusations only breed a heated response, and I am not going to get > caught > > > up in that. > > > > > > 7/8/2001 11:43:43 PM, Jennifer Cribbs wrote: > > > > > > >Kevin, > > > > > > > >I am not saying I am guilty of anything...You are! When you are in a > > > semester of school virtually inexperienced in the > > > >computer realm, things happen. I am merely replying to a mail that was > > > posted here. > > > > > > > >You think it is a soft piracy ring??...and it will be my fault they get > > > caught??...I don't think so Kevin. You are the one > > > >who is wrong. I was the student on a learning quest. And if I was > wrong > > > and this is the worst thing I ever do, then I > > > >won't worry or lose sleep over it. > > > > > > > >There are so few indescretions in my life that this one just kinda > sticks > > > out and came to mind...Sorry for the stress my > > > >post caused you. > > > > > > > >Jennifer > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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What !!! Now this is ridiculous Jennifer- unless you're getting hate mail the rest us are not seeing, no one else on this list cares. I enjoy you posts & am surprised Kevin has carried things this far... Phil - Original Message - From: "Jennifer Cribbs" To: Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:18 AM Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > Rational or otherwise, an already convicted thief or not, I have withdrawn > my subscription from groupstudy.. > > 7/9/2001 8:42:33 AM, "Kevin Wigle" wrote: > > >Jennifer, > > > >I'm not condemning you. I've read your posts and I thought you a rational > >person. > > > >But just read this > > > >"We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all copied it to > >use from our school burner. It was registered in > >a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and learning and > >him helping us. Not cheating or pirating. > >Right or wrong, that's what we did. " > > > >Can't get much closer to a confession than that. "We" normally includes the > >person talking but I'll let the lawyers haggle that one. > > > >Anyway, think of all the people on this list that make this list such a > >great place for learning. > > > >Howard Berkowitz, Author and Instructor > > > >Tom Lisa, Author and Instructor > > > >Priscilla Oppenheimer, Author and Instructor > > > >Not to mention the many CCIE's on the list. > > > >They give their time freely to the list which is as good as it gets. > > > >On the other hand, some people still want to steal from them and others. > > > >I just can't seem to reconcile how anybody can steal their work and then > >post to a mailing list where they contribute freely. The Transcenders are > >not their work but the pricipal is the same. > > > >Like I said, I have used "evaluation" software so I'm not saying I'm above > >the same issues, but I have bought legal copies of anything I found to be > >useful. Also, I don't post to a publc place that may unwittingly cast > >suspicion on other people. > > > >And just one more thing, if you continue to post to a public email list or > >participate in any public endeavor - then you should be prepared to have > >people question your actions and for you to defend them. Such debates > >normally are not meant to destroy the other person but to gain more insight > >or impart advice/knowledge. > > > >Take this as you will. > > > >Kevin Wigle > > > > > >- Original Message - > >From: "Jennifer Cribbs" > >To: > >Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:45 AM > >Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > > > > >> I am not used to being a defender of my actions Kevin. I am stopping > >this. > >> We don't feel the same and I do not want > >> to be placed in the positon of having to defend a point in my personal > >> history that you disagree with me about. Maybe I > >> shouldn't have said anything, but I am not used to keeping secrets either. > >I > >> am an honest person and it is pointless to > >> continue this. I should not have even replied to your baited question. > >> After accusations, answers are pointless, for > >> accusations only breed a heated response, and I am not going to get caught > >> up in that. > >> > >> 7/8/2001 11:43:43 PM, Jennifer Cribbs wrote: > >> > >> >Kevin, > >> > > >> >I am not saying I am guilty of anything...You are! When you are in a > >> semester of school virtually inexperienced in the > >> >computer realm, things happen. I am merely replying to a mail that was > >> posted here. > >> > > >> >You think it is a soft piracy ring??...and it will be my fault they get > >> caught??...I don't think so Kevin. You are the one > >> >who is wrong. I was the student on a learning quest. And if I was wrong > >> and this is the worst thing I ever do, then I > >> >won't worry or lose sleep over it. > >> > > >> >There are so few indescretions in my life that this one just kinda sticks > >> out and came to mind...Sorry for the stress my > >> >post caused you. > >> > > >> >Jennifer > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >7/8/2001 8:41:46 PM, "Kevin Wigle" wr
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Sorry i thought you said PRAT! - Original Message - From: "Kevin Wigle" To: Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 3:30 PM Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > This is not a spat. > > It was a serious discussion that needs to be addressed everytime it comes > up. > > Kevin Wigle > > - Original Message - > From: "Curtis Phillips" > To: "Kevin Wigle" ; > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:07 AM > Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > > > Give it a rest huh > > > > Maybe you to ought to take your spat off-line. > > > > > > - Original Message ----- > > From: "Kevin Wigle" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 9:48 AM > > Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > > > > > > Jennifer, > > > > > > I'm not condemning you. I've read your posts and I thought you a > rational > > > person. > > > > > > But just read this > > > > > > "We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all copied it to > > > use from our school burner. It was registered in > > > a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and learning > and > > > him helping us. Not cheating or pirating. > > > Right or wrong, that's what we did. " > > > > > > Can't get much closer to a confession than that. "We" normally includes > > the > > > person talking but I'll let the lawyers haggle that one. > > > > > > Anyway, think of all the people on this list that make this list such a > > > great place for learning. > > > > > > Howard Berkowitz, Author and Instructor > > > > > > Tom Lisa, Author and Instructor > > > > > > Priscilla Oppenheimer, Author and Instructor > > > > > > Not to mention the many CCIE's on the list. > > > > > > They give their time freely to the list which is as good as it gets. > > > > > > On the other hand, some people still want to steal from them and others. > > > > > > I just can't seem to reconcile how anybody can steal their work and then > > > post to a mailing list where they contribute freely. The Transcenders > are > > > not their work but the pricipal is the same. > > > > > > Like I said, I have used "evaluation" software so I'm not saying I'm > above > > > the same issues, but I have bought legal copies of anything I found to > be > > > useful. Also, I don't post to a publc place that may unwittingly cast > > > suspicion on other people. > > > > > > And just one more thing, if you continue to post to a public email list > or > > > participate in any public endeavor - then you should be prepared to have > > > people question your actions and for you to defend them. Such debates > > > normally are not meant to destroy the other person but to gain more > > insight > > > or impart advice/knowledge. > > > > > > Take this as you will. > > > > > > Kevin Wigle > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Jennifer Cribbs" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:45 AM > > > Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > > > > > > > > > I am not used to being a defender of my actions Kevin. I am stopping > > > this. > > > > We don't feel the same and I do not want > > > > to be placed in the positon of having to defend a point in my personal > > > > history that you disagree with me about. Maybe I > > > > shouldn't have said anything, but I am not used to keeping secrets > > either. > > > I > > > > am an honest person and it is pointless to > > > > continue this. I should not have even replied to your baited > question. > > > > After accusations, answers are pointless, for > > > > accusations only breed a heated response, and I am not going to get > > caught > > > > up in that. > > > > > > > > 7/8/2001 11:43:43 PM, Jennifer Cribbs wrote: > > > > > > > > >Kevin, > > > > > > > > > >I am not saying I am guilty of anything...You are! When you are in a > > > > semester of school virtually inexperienced in the > > > > >computer realm, things happen. I am merely replying to a mail that > was > > > >
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I think it is "he who is without sim" - Original Message - From: "hal9001" To: Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 7:30 AM Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone." > > Or something. > > Karl > - Original Message - > From: "Curtis Phillips" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 3:22 PM > Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > > > Give it a rest huh > > > > Maybe you to ought to take your spat off-line. > > > > > > ----- Original Message - > > From: "Kevin Wigle" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 9:48 AM > > Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > > > > > > Jennifer, > > > > > > I'm not condemning you. I've read your posts and I thought you a > rational > > > person. > > > > > > But just read this > > > > > > "We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all copied it to > > > use from our school burner. It was registered in > > > a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and learning > and > > > him helping us. Not cheating or pirating. > > > Right or wrong, that's what we did. " > > > > > > Can't get much closer to a confession than that. "We" normally includes > > the > > > person talking but I'll let the lawyers haggle that one. > > > > > > Anyway, think of all the people on this list that make this list such a > > > great place for learning. > > > > > > Howard Berkowitz, Author and Instructor > > > > > > Tom Lisa, Author and Instructor > > > > > > Priscilla Oppenheimer, Author and Instructor > > > > > > Not to mention the many CCIE's on the list. > > > > > > They give their time freely to the list which is as good as it gets. > > > > > > On the other hand, some people still want to steal from them and others. > > > > > > I just can't seem to reconcile how anybody can steal their work and then > > > post to a mailing list where they contribute freely. The Transcenders > are > > > not their work but the pricipal is the same. > > > > > > Like I said, I have used "evaluation" software so I'm not saying I'm > above > > > the same issues, but I have bought legal copies of anything I found to > be > > > useful. Also, I don't post to a publc place that may unwittingly cast > > > suspicion on other people. > > > > > > And just one more thing, if you continue to post to a public email list > or > > > participate in any public endeavor - then you should be prepared to have > > > people question your actions and for you to defend them. Such debates > > > normally are not meant to destroy the other person but to gain more > > insight > > > or impart advice/knowledge. > > > > > > Take this as you will. > > > > > > Kevin Wigle > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Jennifer Cribbs" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:45 AM > > > Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > > > > > > > > > I am not used to being a defender of my actions Kevin. I am stopping > > > this. > > > > We don't feel the same and I do not want > > > > to be placed in the positon of having to defend a point in my personal > > > > history that you disagree with me about. Maybe I > > > > shouldn't have said anything, but I am not used to keeping secrets > > either. > > > I > > > > am an honest person and it is pointless to > > > > continue this. I should not have even replied to your baited > question. > > > > After accusations, answers are pointless, for > > > > accusations only breed a heated response, and I am not going to get > > caught > > > > up in that. > > > > > > > > 7/8/2001 11:43:43 PM, Jennifer Cribbs wrote: > > > > > > > > >Kevin, > > > > > > > > > >I am not saying I am guilty of anything...You are! When you are in a > > > > semester of school virtually inexperienced in the > > > > >computer realm, things happen. I am merely replying to a mail that > was > > > > posted here. > > > > > > >
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Perfectionist! - Original Message - From: "Donald B Johnson jr" To: Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 4:01 PM Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > I think it is "he who is without sim" > > > > - Original Message - > From: "hal9001" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 7:30 AM > Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > > > "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone." > > > > Or something. > > > > Karl > > - Original Message ----- > > From: "Curtis Phillips" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 3:22 PM > > Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > > > > > > Give it a rest huh > > > > > > Maybe you to ought to take your spat off-line. > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Kevin Wigle" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 9:48 AM > > > Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > > > > > > > > > Jennifer, > > > > > > > > I'm not condemning you. I've read your posts and I thought you a > > rational > > > > person. > > > > > > > > But just read this > > > > > > > > "We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all copied it to > > > > use from our school burner. It was registered in > > > > a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and learning > > and > > > > him helping us. Not cheating or pirating. > > > > Right or wrong, that's what we did. " > > > > > > > > Can't get much closer to a confession than that. "We" normally > includes > > > the > > > > person talking but I'll let the lawyers haggle that one. > > > > > > > > Anyway, think of all the people on this list that make this list such > a > > > > great place for learning. > > > > > > > > Howard Berkowitz, Author and Instructor > > > > > > > > Tom Lisa, Author and Instructor > > > > > > > > Priscilla Oppenheimer, Author and Instructor > > > > > > > > Not to mention the many CCIE's on the list. > > > > > > > > They give their time freely to the list which is as good as it gets. > > > > > > > > On the other hand, some people still want to steal from them and > others. > > > > > > > > I just can't seem to reconcile how anybody can steal their work and > then > > > > post to a mailing list where they contribute freely. The Transcenders > > are > > > > not their work but the pricipal is the same. > > > > > > > > Like I said, I have used "evaluation" software so I'm not saying I'm > > above > > > > the same issues, but I have bought legal copies of anything I found to > > be > > > > useful. Also, I don't post to a publc place that may unwittingly cast > > > > suspicion on other people. > > > > > > > > And just one more thing, if you continue to post to a public email > list > > or > > > > participate in any public endeavor - then you should be prepared to > have > > > > people question your actions and for you to defend them. Such debates > > > > normally are not meant to destroy the other person but to gain more > > > insight > > > > or impart advice/knowledge. > > > > > > > > Take this as you will. > > > > > > > > Kevin Wigle > > > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > > From: "Jennifer Cribbs" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:45 AM > > > > Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not used to being a defender of my actions Kevin. I am > stopping > > > > this. > > > > > We don't feel the same and I do not want > > > > > to be placed in the positon of having to defend a point in my > personal > > > > > history that you disagree with me about. Maybe I > > > > > shouldn't have said anything, but I am not used to keeping secrets > > > either. > > > > I > > > > > am an honest person and it is pointless to > > > > > continue this. I should no
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All righty then, let talk about some like uh, routers and stuff. :> Come back Jen. -Original Message- From: Circusnuts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 9:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] What !!! Now this is ridiculous Jennifer- unless you're getting hate mail the rest us are not seeing, no one else on this list cares. I enjoy you posts & am surprised Kevin has carried things this far... Phil - Original Message - From: "Jennifer Cribbs" To: Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:18 AM Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > Rational or otherwise, an already convicted thief or not, I have withdrawn > my subscription from groupstudy.. > > 7/9/2001 8:42:33 AM, "Kevin Wigle" wrote: > > >Jennifer, > > > >I'm not condemning you. I've read your posts and I thought you a rational > >person. > > > >But just read this > > > >"We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all copied it to > >use from our school burner. It was registered in > >a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and learning and > >him helping us. Not cheating or pirating. > >Right or wrong, that's what we did. " > > > >Can't get much closer to a confession than that. "We" normally includes the > >person talking but I'll let the lawyers haggle that one. > > > >Anyway, think of all the people on this list that make this list such a > >great place for learning. > > > >Howard Berkowitz, Author and Instructor > > > >Tom Lisa, Author and Instructor > > > >Priscilla Oppenheimer, Author and Instructor > > > >Not to mention the many CCIE's on the list. > > > >They give their time freely to the list which is as good as it gets. > > > >On the other hand, some people still want to steal from them and others. > > > >I just can't seem to reconcile how anybody can steal their work and then > >post to a mailing list where they contribute freely. The Transcenders are > >not their work but the pricipal is the same. > > > >Like I said, I have used "evaluation" software so I'm not saying I'm above > >the same issues, but I have bought legal copies of anything I found to be > >useful. Also, I don't post to a publc place that may unwittingly cast > >suspicion on other people. > > > >And just one more thing, if you continue to post to a public email list or > >participate in any public endeavor - then you should be prepared to have > >people question your actions and for you to defend them. Such debates > >normally are not meant to destroy the other person but to gain more insight > >or impart advice/knowledge. > > > >Take this as you will. > > > >Kevin Wigle > > > > > >- Original Message - > >From: "Jennifer Cribbs" > >To: > >Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:45 AM > >Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > > > > >> I am not used to being a defender of my actions Kevin. I am stopping > >this. > >> We don't feel the same and I do not want > >> to be placed in the positon of having to defend a point in my personal > >> history that you disagree with me about. Maybe I > >> shouldn't have said anything, but I am not used to keeping secrets either. > >I > >> am an honest person and it is pointless to > >> continue this. I should not have even replied to your baited question. > >> After accusations, answers are pointless, for > >> accusations only breed a heated response, and I am not going to get caught > >> up in that. > >> > >> 7/8/2001 11:43:43 PM, Jennifer Cribbs wrote: > >> > >> >Kevin, > >> > > >> >I am not saying I am guilty of anything...You are! When you are in a > >> semester of school virtually inexperienced in the > >> >computer realm, things happen. I am merely replying to a mail that was > >> posted here. > >> > > >> >You think it is a soft piracy ring??...and it will be my fault they get > >> caught??...I don't think so Kevin. You are the one > >> >who is wrong. I was the student on a learning quest. And if I was wrong > >> and this is the worst thing I ever do, then I > >> >won't worry or lose sleep over it. > >> > > >> >There are so few indescretions in my life that this one just kinda sticks > >> out and came to mind...Sorry for th
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I have worked so hard studying and have loved all the wonderful contributions from the people that make this site special. But I am not a thief Phil...I really am not. We bought the disk..We didn't steal it. We all paid money that we had saved so we could study and pass our tests. We had a wonderful instructor that cared about us and helped us. They had special group studies on varied topics that people could participate in if they chose. We had dinners together. We were all involved together on a common mission of getting through our classes and passing our first cert together. I was not trying to implicate anything or anybody. Academically, it was a great environment and too bad more aren't the same and are conductive to learning. Since those times are past, this group, without it being a formal classroom is the closest thing I have to college. And right now, I am just discouraged... It is greatly distracting me from what my goals are. I do not mind a debate but over pertinent issues that matter in the long run from a 'cert viewpoint' but this is not one of those issues, but it is, like I said, very distracting for me from a personal standpoint regarding my studying. I have never even read one of Howards, Priscilla's or Tom's books, but I bet they are good. Of course, I am only assuming that based on the answers I have seen posted by them on this site and the 'free' study material compiled by them posted on certificationzone.com that is available on a monthly basis that I have read. Those people are why I stayed, because you can learn from them. But I have not stolen anything from them Phil as was implied by Wigle. And you are right..this is ridiculousI enjoy this site too much for one Wigle to run me off. I guess I will just wait for the dark blue sedan to pull up with all the haggling lawyers Jenn 7/9/2001 9:30:48 AM, "Circusnuts" wrote: >What !!! > >Now this is ridiculous Jennifer- unless you're getting hate mail the >rest us are not seeing, no one else on this list cares. > >I enjoy you posts & am surprised Kevin has carried things this far... >Phil > >- Original Message ----- >From: "Jennifer Cribbs" >To: >Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:18 AM >Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > >> Rational or otherwise, an already convicted thief or not, I have withdrawn >> my subscription from groupstudy.. >> >> 7/9/2001 8:42:33 AM, "Kevin Wigle" wrote: >> >> >Jennifer, >> > >> >I'm not condemning you. I've read your posts and I thought you a >rational >> >person. >> > >> >But just read this >> > >> >"We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all copied it to >> >use from our school burner. It was registered in >> >a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and learning and >> >him helping us. Not cheating or pirating. >> >Right or wrong, that's what we did. " >> > >> >Can't get much closer to a confession than that. "We" normally includes >the >> >person talking but I'll let the lawyers haggle that one. >> > >> >Anyway, think of all the people on this list that make this list such a >> >great place for learning. >> > >> >Howard Berkowitz, Author and Instructor >> > >> >Tom Lisa, Author and Instructor >> > >> >Priscilla Oppenheimer, Author and Instructor >> > >> >Not to mention the many CCIE's on the list. >> > >> >They give their time freely to the list which is as good as it gets. >> > >> >On the other hand, some people still want to steal from them and others. >> > >> >I just can't seem to reconcile how anybody can steal their work and then >> >post to a mailing list where they contribute freely. The Transcenders >are >> >not their work but the pricipal is the same. >> > >> >Like I said, I have used "evaluation" software so I'm not saying I'm >above >> >the same issues, but I have bought legal copies of anything I found to be >> >useful. Also, I don't post to a publc place that may unwittingly cast >> >suspicion on other people. >> > >> >And just one more thing, if you continue to post to a public email list >or >> >participate in any public endeavor - then you should be prepared to have >> >people question your actions and for you to defend them. Such debates >> >normally are not meant to destroy the other person but to gain more >insight >> >or impart advice/
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Yes Messers - Sue, Grabbit and Runne. I find it amazing that there are those who slavishly chase around and brown nose themselves with big business and the powerful who are quite capable of protecting themselves. Sad. Now every one say after me: "Seig Heil". K - Original Message - From: "Jennifer Cribbs" To: Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 4:12 PM Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > I have worked so hard studying and have loved all the wonderful > contributions from the people that make this site > special. But I am not a thief Phil...I really am not. We bought the > disk..We didn't steal it. We all paid money that we > had saved so we could study and pass our tests. We had a wonderful > instructor that cared about us and helped us. > They had special group studies on varied topics that people could > participate in if they chose. We had dinners > together. We were all involved together on a common mission of getting > through our classes and passing our first cert > together. I was not trying to implicate anything or anybody. Academically, > it was a great environment and too bad more > aren't the same and are conductive to learning. > > Since those times are past, this group, without it being a formal classroom > is the closest thing I have to college. And > right now, I am just discouraged... > > It is greatly distracting me from what my goals are. I do not mind a debate > but over pertinent issues that matter in the > long run from a 'cert viewpoint' but this is not one of those issues, but it > is, like I said, very distracting for me from a > personal standpoint regarding my studying. I have never even read one of > Howards, Priscilla's or Tom's books, but I > bet they are good. Of course, I am only assuming that based on the answers > I have seen posted by them on this site > and the 'free' study material compiled by them posted on > certificationzone.com that is available on a monthly basis that I > have read. Those people are why I stayed, because you can learn from them. > But I have not stolen anything from > them Phil as was implied by Wigle. > > And you are right..this is ridiculousI enjoy this site too much for one > Wigle to run me off. > I guess I will just wait for the dark blue sedan to pull up with all the > haggling lawyers > > Jenn > > > > > > 7/9/2001 9:30:48 AM, "Circusnuts" wrote: > > >What !!! > > > >Now this is ridiculous Jennifer- unless you're getting hate mail the > >rest us are not seeing, no one else on this list cares. > > > >I enjoy you posts & am surprised Kevin has carried things this far... > >Phil > > > >- Original Message - > >From: "Jennifer Cribbs" > >To: > >Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:18 AM > >Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > > > > >> Rational or otherwise, an already convicted thief or not, I have withdrawn > >> my subscription from groupstudy.. > >> > >> 7/9/2001 8:42:33 AM, "Kevin Wigle" wrote: > >> > >> >Jennifer, > >> > > >> >I'm not condemning you. I've read your posts and I thought you a > >rational > >> >person. > >> > > >> >But just read this > >> > > >> >"We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all copied it to > >> >use from our school burner. It was registered in > >> >a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and learning and > >> >him helping us. Not cheating or pirating. > >> >Right or wrong, that's what we did. " > >> > > >> >Can't get much closer to a confession than that. "We" normally includes > >the > >> >person talking but I'll let the lawyers haggle that one. > >> > > >> >Anyway, think of all the people on this list that make this list such a > >> >great place for learning. > >> > > >> >Howard Berkowitz, Author and Instructor > >> > > >> >Tom Lisa, Author and Instructor > >> > > >> >Priscilla Oppenheimer, Author and Instructor > >> > > >> >Not to mention the many CCIE's on the list. > >> > > >> >They give their time freely to the list which is as good as it gets. > >> > > >> >On the other hand, some people still want to steal from them and others. > >> > > >> >I just can't seem to reconcile how anybody can steal their work
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Yeah Jen is staying!!! Now could someone please give me some tips on how to take my two 4006 with RSM and make them as close to redundant as possible. I need to run HSRP on the RSM if possible. Thanks, Steve -Original Message- From: Jennifer Cribbs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] I have worked so hard studying and have loved all the wonderful contributions from the people that make this site special. But I am not a thief Phil...I really am not. We bought the disk..We didn't steal it. We all paid money that we had saved so we could study and pass our tests. We had a wonderful instructor that cared about us and helped us. They had special group studies on varied topics that people could participate in if they chose. We had dinners together. We were all involved together on a common mission of getting through our classes and passing our first cert together. I was not trying to implicate anything or anybody. Academically, it was a great environment and too bad more aren't the same and are conductive to learning. Since those times are past, this group, without it being a formal classroom is the closest thing I have to college. And right now, I am just discouraged... It is greatly distracting me from what my goals are. I do not mind a debate but over pertinent issues that matter in the long run from a 'cert viewpoint' but this is not one of those issues, but it is, like I said, very distracting for me from a personal standpoint regarding my studying. I have never even read one of Howards, Priscilla's or Tom's books, but I bet they are good. Of course, I am only assuming that based on the answers I have seen posted by them on this site and the 'free' study material compiled by them posted on certificationzone.com that is available on a monthly basis that I have read. Those people are why I stayed, because you can learn from them. But I have not stolen anything from them Phil as was implied by Wigle. And you are right..this is ridiculousI enjoy this site too much for one Wigle to run me off. I guess I will just wait for the dark blue sedan to pull up with all the haggling lawyers Jenn 7/9/2001 9:30:48 AM, "Circusnuts" wrote: >What !!! > >Now this is ridiculous Jennifer- unless you're getting hate mail the >rest us are not seeing, no one else on this list cares. > >I enjoy you posts & am surprised Kevin has carried things this far... >Phil > >- Original Message ----- >From: "Jennifer Cribbs" >To: >Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:18 AM >Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > >> Rational or otherwise, an already convicted thief or not, I have withdrawn >> my subscription from groupstudy.. >> >> 7/9/2001 8:42:33 AM, "Kevin Wigle" wrote: >> >> >Jennifer, >> > >> >I'm not condemning you. I've read your posts and I thought you a >rational >> >person. >> > >> >But just read this >> > >> >"We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all copied it to >> >use from our school burner. It was registered in >> >a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and learning and >> >him helping us. Not cheating or pirating. >> >Right or wrong, that's what we did. " >> > >> >Can't get much closer to a confession than that. "We" normally includes >the >> >person talking but I'll let the lawyers haggle that one. >> > >> >Anyway, think of all the people on this list that make this list such a >> >great place for learning. >> > >> >Howard Berkowitz, Author and Instructor >> > >> >Tom Lisa, Author and Instructor >> > >> >Priscilla Oppenheimer, Author and Instructor >> > >> >Not to mention the many CCIE's on the list. >> > >> >They give their time freely to the list which is as good as it gets. >> > >> >On the other hand, some people still want to steal from them and others. >> > >> >I just can't seem to reconcile how anybody can steal their work and then >> >post to a mailing list where they contribute freely. The Transcenders >are >> >not their work but the pricipal is the same. >> > >> >Like I said, I have used "evaluation" software so I'm not saying I'm >above >> >the same issues, but I have bought legal copies of anything I found to be >> >useful. Also, I don't post to a publc place that may unwittingly cast >> >suspicion on other people. >> > >
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Jennifer, It seems to me that you are taking Kevin's words too harshly and I hope you reconsider your decision to leave the group. You contributions are always welcome. In this case, Kevin was simply warning you about the dangers of pirating training software and/or materials and then posting to that effect on a mailing list. At some point, we've all done similar things whether it was training materials, desktop software, or games. The point is that a large number of people that create those training materials are contributors to this list. What if it had been CertificationZone material that had been pirated? I'm sure that would upset more than a few list members! Or maybe it was Sybex or McGraw-Hill or Wiley materials. We have authors from all of those companies on this list. Kevin was simply suggesting that it might not be wise to admit to pirating training materials in a forum made up so largely of people that create training materials!That seems to be wise advice. Okay, enough of that! Let's get back to some technical discussions! Regards, John >>> "Kevin Wigle" 7/9/01 8:31:36 AM >>> Well, believe it or not I'm sorry that you feel that you have to unsubscribe from the list. I was attempting to enjoin you in a debate about what many people, not just yourself - consider acceptable practice. I wish you good fortune in your future endeavours. Kevin Wigle - Original Message - From: "Jennifer Cribbs" To: "Kevin Wigle" ; Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:04 AM Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > Rational or otherwise, an already convicted thief or not, I have withdrawn my subscription from groupstudy.. > > 7/9/2001 8:42:33 AM, "Kevin Wigle" wrote: > > >Jennifer, > > > >I'm not condemning you. I've read your posts and I thought you a rational > >person. > > > >But just read this > > > >"We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all copied it to > >use from our school burner. It was registered in > >a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and learning and > >him helping us. Not cheating or pirating. > >Right or wrong, that's what we did. " > > > >Can't get much closer to a confession than that. "We" normally includes the > >person talking but I'll let the lawyers haggle that one. > > > >Anyway, think of all the people on this list that make this list such a > >great place for learning. > > > >Howard Berkowitz, Author and Instructor > > > >Tom Lisa, Author and Instructor > > > >Priscilla Oppenheimer, Author and Instructor > > > >Not to mention the many CCIE's on the list. > > > >They give their time freely to the list which is as good as it gets. > > > >On the other hand, some people still want to steal from them and others. > > > >I just can't seem to reconcile how anybody can steal their work and then > >post to a mailing list where they contribute freely. The Transcenders are > >not their work but the pricipal is the same. > > > >Like I said, I have used "evaluation" software so I'm not saying I'm above > >the same issues, but I have bought legal copies of anything I found to be > >useful. Also, I don't post to a publc place that may unwittingly cast > >suspicion on other people. > > > >And just one more thing, if you continue to post to a public email list or > >participate in any public endeavor - then you should be prepared to have > >people question your actions and for you to defend them. Such debates > >normally are not meant to destroy the other person but to gain more insight > >or impart advice/knowledge. > > > >Take this as you will. > > > >Kevin Wigle > > > > > >- Original Message - > >From: "Jennifer Cribbs" > >To: > >Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:45 AM > >Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > > > > >> I am not used to being a defender of my actions Kevin. I am stopping > >this. > >> We don't feel the same and I do not want > >> to be placed in the positon of having to defend a point in my personal > >> history that you disagree with me about. Maybe I > >> shouldn't have said anything, but I am not used to keeping secrets either. > >I > >> am an honest person and it is pointless to > >> continue this. I should not have even replied to your baited question. > >> After accusations, answers are pointless, for > >> accusations only breed a heated response, and I am not g
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Hal, the blue sedan is here and there getting outwhat do I do?? Jenn p.s. [Anyone know anything about yahoo mail and anonyminity issues?] 7/9/2001 10:12:30 AM, "hal9001" wrote: >Yes Messers - Sue, Grabbit and Runne. > >I find it amazing that there are those who slavishly chase around and brown >nose themselves with big business and the powerful who are quite capable of >protecting themselves. Sad. Now every one say after me: >"Seig Heil". > >K >- Original Message - >From: "Jennifer Cribbs" >To: >Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 4:12 PM >Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > >> I have worked so hard studying and have loved all the wonderful >> contributions from the people that make this site >> special. But I am not a thief Phil...I really am not. We bought the >> disk..We didn't steal it. We all paid money that we >> had saved so we could study and pass our tests. We had a wonderful >> instructor that cared about us and helped us. >> They had special group studies on varied topics that people could >> participate in if they chose. We had dinners >> together. We were all involved together on a common mission of getting >> through our classes and passing our first cert >> together. I was not trying to implicate anything or anybody. >Academically, >> it was a great environment and too bad more >> aren't the same and are conductive to learning. >> >> Since those times are past, this group, without it being a formal >classroom >> is the closest thing I have to college. And >> right now, I am just discouraged... >> >> It is greatly distracting me from what my goals are. I do not mind a >debate >> but over pertinent issues that matter in the >> long run from a 'cert viewpoint' but this is not one of those issues, but >it >> is, like I said, very distracting for me from a >> personal standpoint regarding my studying. I have never even read one of >> Howards, Priscilla's or Tom's books, but I >> bet they are good. Of course, I am only assuming that based on the >answers >> I have seen posted by them on this site >> and the 'free' study material compiled by them posted on >> certificationzone.com that is available on a monthly basis that I >> have read. Those people are why I stayed, because you can learn from >them. >> But I have not stolen anything from >> them Phil as was implied by Wigle. >> >> And you are right..this is ridiculousI enjoy this site too much for >one >> Wigle to run me off. >> I guess I will just wait for the dark blue sedan to pull up with all the >> haggling lawyers >> >> Jenn >> >> >> >> >> >> 7/9/2001 9:30:48 AM, "Circusnuts" wrote: >> >> >What !!! >> > >> >Now this is ridiculous Jennifer- unless you're getting hate mail >the >> >rest us are not seeing, no one else on this list cares. >> > >> >I enjoy you posts & am surprised Kevin has carried things this far... >> >Phil >> > >> >- Original Message - >> >From: "Jennifer Cribbs" >> >To: >> >Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:18 AM >> >Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] >> > >> > >> >> Rational or otherwise, an already convicted thief or not, I have >withdrawn >> >> my subscription from groupstudy.. >> >> >> >> 7/9/2001 8:42:33 AM, "Kevin Wigle" wrote: >> >> >> >> >Jennifer, >> >> > >> >> >I'm not condemning you. I've read your posts and I thought you a >> >rational >> >> >person. >> >> > >> >> >But just read this >> >> > >> >> >"We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all copied it to >> >> >use from our school burner. It was registered in >> >> >a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and learning >and >> >> >him helping us. Not cheating or pirating. >> >> >Right or wrong, that's what we did. " >> >> > >> >> >Can't get much closer to a confession than that. "We" normally >includes >> >the >> >> >person talking but I'll let the lawyers haggle that one. >> >> > >> >> >Anyway, think of all the people on this list that make this list such >a >> >> >great place for l
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I was hoping to just let it die but the "Seig Heil" is just a little over the top. What is so difficult to understand about buying a single copy of any piece of software and then burning copies? (and then telling the world about it) The scenario I painted doesn't require much imagination. And I'm not trying to run anybody off. But what I said should "distract" anybody that does this openly. Kevin Wigle - Original Message - From: "hal9001" To: Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 11:27 AM Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > Yes Messers - Sue, Grabbit and Runne. > > I find it amazing that there are those who slavishly chase around and brown > nose themselves with big business and the powerful who are quite capable of > protecting themselves. Sad. Now every one say after me: > "Seig Heil". > > K > - Original Message - > From: "Jennifer Cribbs" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 4:12 PM > Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > > > I have worked so hard studying and have loved all the wonderful > > contributions from the people that make this site > > special. But I am not a thief Phil...I really am not. We bought the > > disk..We didn't steal it. We all paid money that we > > had saved so we could study and pass our tests. We had a wonderful > > instructor that cared about us and helped us. > > They had special group studies on varied topics that people could > > participate in if they chose. We had dinners > > together. We were all involved together on a common mission of getting > > through our classes and passing our first cert > > together. I was not trying to implicate anything or anybody. > Academically, > > it was a great environment and too bad more > > aren't the same and are conductive to learning. > > > > Since those times are past, this group, without it being a formal > classroom > > is the closest thing I have to college. And > > right now, I am just discouraged... > > > > It is greatly distracting me from what my goals are. I do not mind a > debate > > but over pertinent issues that matter in the > > long run from a 'cert viewpoint' but this is not one of those issues, but > it > > is, like I said, very distracting for me from a > > personal standpoint regarding my studying. I have never even read one of > > Howards, Priscilla's or Tom's books, but I > > bet they are good. Of course, I am only assuming that based on the > answers > > I have seen posted by them on this site > > and the 'free' study material compiled by them posted on > > certificationzone.com that is available on a monthly basis that I > > have read. Those people are why I stayed, because you can learn from > them. > > But I have not stolen anything from > > them Phil as was implied by Wigle. > > > > And you are right..this is ridiculousI enjoy this site too much for > one > > Wigle to run me off. > > I guess I will just wait for the dark blue sedan to pull up with all the > > haggling lawyers > > > > Jenn > > > > > > > > > > > > 7/9/2001 9:30:48 AM, "Circusnuts" wrote: > > > > >What !!! > > > > > >Now this is ridiculous Jennifer- unless you're getting hate mail > the > > >rest us are not seeing, no one else on this list cares. > > > > > >I enjoy you posts & am surprised Kevin has carried things this far... > > >Phil > > > > > >- Original Message - > > >From: "Jennifer Cribbs" > > >To: > > >Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:18 AM > > >Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > > > > > > > >> Rational or otherwise, an already convicted thief or not, I have > withdrawn > > >> my subscription from groupstudy.. > > >> > > >> 7/9/2001 8:42:33 AM, "Kevin Wigle" wrote: > > >> > > >> >Jennifer, > > >> > > > >> >I'm not condemning you. I've read your posts and I thought you a > > >rational > > >> >person. > > >> > > > >> >But just read this > > >> > > > >> >"We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all copied it to > > >> >use from our school burner. It was registered in > > >> >a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and learning > and > > >> >him helping us. Not cheating or pira
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A good 5 hrs sleep is all anybody needs Or the answer might be : "Same as you...to read and write". Jenn 7/9/2001 10:58:06 AM, "Kazan, Naim" wrote: >I thought the freaks come out at night. Why are you people up so early >for > > >Naim Kazan >Fidelity Investments FISC-T >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >212-335-5586 > > >-Original Message- >From: Jennifer Cribbs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 11:56 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > >Hal, the blue sedan is here and there getting outwhat do I do?? > >Jenn > >p.s. [Anyone know anything about yahoo mail and anonyminity issues?] > >7/9/2001 10:12:30 AM, "hal9001" wrote: > >>Yes Messers - Sue, Grabbit and Runne. >> >>I find it amazing that there are those who slavishly chase around and brown >>nose themselves with big business and the powerful who are quite capable of >>protecting themselves. Sad. Now every one say after me: >>"Seig Heil". >> >>K >>- Original Message - >>From: "Jennifer Cribbs" >>To: >>Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 4:12 PM >>Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] >> >> >>> I have worked so hard studying and have loved all the wonderful >>> contributions from the people that make this site >>> special. But I am not a thief Phil...I really am not. We bought the >>> disk..We didn't steal it. We all paid money that we >>> had saved so we could study and pass our tests. We had a wonderful >>> instructor that cared about us and helped us. >>> They had special group studies on varied topics that people could >>> participate in if they chose. We had dinners >>> together. We were all involved together on a common mission of getting >>> through our classes and passing our first cert >>> together. I was not trying to implicate anything or anybody. >>Academically, >>> it was a great environment and too bad more >>> aren't the same and are conductive to learning. >>> >>> Since those times are past, this group, without it being a formal >>classroom >>> is the closest thing I have to college. And >>> right now, I am just discouraged... >>> >>> It is greatly distracting me from what my goals are. I do not mind a >>debate >>> but over pertinent issues that matter in the >>> long run from a 'cert viewpoint' but this is not one of those issues, but >>it >>> is, like I said, very distracting for me from a >>> personal standpoint regarding my studying. I have never even read one of >>> Howards, Priscilla's or Tom's books, but I >>> bet they are good. Of course, I am only assuming that based on the >>answers >>> I have seen posted by them on this site >>> and the 'free' study material compiled by them posted on >>> certificationzone.com that is available on a monthly basis that I >>> have read. Those people are why I stayed, because you can learn from >>them. >>> But I have not stolen anything from >>> them Phil as was implied by Wigle. >>> >>> And you are right..this is ridiculousI enjoy this site too much for >>one >>> Wigle to run me off. >>> I guess I will just wait for the dark blue sedan to pull up with all the >>> haggling lawyers >>> >>> Jenn >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 7/9/2001 9:30:48 AM, "Circusnuts" wrote: >>> >>> >What !!! >>> > >>> >Now this is ridiculous Jennifer- unless you're getting hate mail >>the >>> >rest us are not seeing, no one else on this list cares. >>> > >>> >I enjoy you posts & am surprised Kevin has carried things this far... >>> >Phil >>> > >>> >- Original Message - >>> >From: "Jennifer Cribbs" >>> >To: >>> >Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:18 AM >>> >Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] >>> > >>> > >>> >> Rational or otherwise, an already convicted thief or not, I have >>withdrawn >>> >> my subscription from groupstudy.. >>> >> >>> >> 7/9/2001 8:42:33 AM, "Kevin Wigle" wrote: >>> >> >>> >> >Jennifer, >>> >> > >>> >> >I'm not condemning you. I've read your posts and
RE: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342]
Has anyone configured dual MSFC's on a 6509 with HA, HSRP capabilities with success. I'm reading through this document... http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/cat6000/sft_6_1/configgd /redund.htm#49378 It seems somewhat straight forward. Any opinions Robert -Original Message- From: Steve Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 11:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] Yeah Jen is staying!!! Now could someone please give me some tips on how to take my two 4006 with RSM and make them as close to redundant as possible. I need to run HSRP on the RSM if possible. Thanks, Steve -Original Message- From: Jennifer Cribbs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] I have worked so hard studying and have loved all the wonderful contributions from the people that make this site special. But I am not a thief Phil...I really am not. We bought the disk..We didn't steal it. We all paid money that we had saved so we could study and pass our tests. We had a wonderful instructor that cared about us and helped us. They had special group studies on varied topics that people could participate in if they chose. We had dinners together. We were all involved together on a common mission of getting through our classes and passing our first cert together. I was not trying to implicate anything or anybody. Academically, it was a great environment and too bad more aren't the same and are conductive to learning. Since those times are past, this group, without it being a formal classroom is the closest thing I have to college. And right now, I am just discouraged... It is greatly distracting me from what my goals are. I do not mind a debate but over pertinent issues that matter in the long run from a 'cert viewpoint' but this is not one of those issues, but it is, like I said, very distracting for me from a personal standpoint regarding my studying. I have never even read one of Howards, Priscilla's or Tom's books, but I bet they are good. Of course, I am only assuming that based on the answers I have seen posted by them on this site and the 'free' study material compiled by them posted on certificationzone.com that is available on a monthly basis that I have read. Those people are why I stayed, because you can learn from them. But I have not stolen anything from them Phil as was implied by Wigle. And you are right..this is ridiculousI enjoy this site too much for one Wigle to run me off. I guess I will just wait for the dark blue sedan to pull up with all the haggling lawyers Jenn 7/9/2001 9:30:48 AM, "Circusnuts" wrote: >What !!! > >Now this is ridiculous Jennifer- unless you're getting hate mail the >rest us are not seeing, no one else on this list cares. > >I enjoy you posts & am surprised Kevin has carried things this far... >Phil > >- Original Message ----- >From: "Jennifer Cribbs" >To: >Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:18 AM >Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > >> Rational or otherwise, an already convicted thief or not, I have withdrawn >> my subscription from groupstudy.. >> >> 7/9/2001 8:42:33 AM, "Kevin Wigle" wrote: >> >> >Jennifer, >> > >> >I'm not condemning you. I've read your posts and I thought you a >rational >> >person. >> > >> >But just read this >> > >> >"We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all copied it to >> >use from our school burner. It was registered in >> >a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and learning and >> >him helping us. Not cheating or pirating. >> >Right or wrong, that's what we did. " >> > >> >Can't get much closer to a confession than that. "We" normally includes >the >> >person talking but I'll let the lawyers haggle that one. >> > >> >Anyway, think of all the people on this list that make this list such a >> >great place for learning. >> > >> >Howard Berkowitz, Author and Instructor >> > >> >Tom Lisa, Author and Instructor >> > >> >Priscilla Oppenheimer, Author and Instructor >> > >> >Not to mention the many CCIE's on the list. >> > >> >They give their time freely to the list which is as good as it gets. >> > >> >On the other hand, some people still want to steal from them and others. >> > >> >I just can't seem to reconcile how anybody can steal their work and then >> >post to a mailing list where they contr
Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342]
Oh dear, not YOU, particularly but there are people in this world that Marx described as "useful fools", these people thus unwittingly allow despots etc get into positions of power and privilege. You might consider your position in the great order of things and you might consider say Mr Gates, his position and how he got there! However! It was rather good of you Kevin to to consider giving the matter a rest as I realise what a bunch of crepuscular low life's we must all seem to you and your lofty but quite laudable ideals. You be a great help in an ideal world...but that's just the point.an deal world. Jennifer I gather wearing plenty of Garlic and carrying a cross is a great help, on the other hand that could be something to do with bats, they come out in the dark don't they. GIVE IT UP! FINISH IT! Plase! Karl Reichmarshall of my little abode! Or so my wife says. - Original Message - From: "Kevin Wigle" To: "hal9001" ; Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 4:49 PM Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > I was hoping to just let it die but the "Seig Heil" is just a little over > the top. > > What is so difficult to understand about buying a single copy of any piece > of software and then burning copies? (and then telling the world about it) > > The scenario I painted doesn't require much imagination. > > And I'm not trying to run anybody off. But what I said should "distract" > anybody that does this openly. > > Kevin Wigle > > > ----- Original Message - > From: "hal9001" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 11:27 AM > Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > > > Yes Messers - Sue, Grabbit and Runne. > > > > I find it amazing that there are those who slavishly chase around and > brown > > nose themselves with big business and the powerful who are quite capable > of > > protecting themselves. Sad. Now every one say after me: > > "Seig Heil". > > > > K > > - Original Message - > > From: "Jennifer Cribbs" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 4:12 PM > > Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > > > > > > I have worked so hard studying and have loved all the wonderful > > > contributions from the people that make this site > > > special. But I am not a thief Phil...I really am not. We bought the > > > disk..We didn't steal it. We all paid money that we > > > had saved so we could study and pass our tests. We had a wonderful > > > instructor that cared about us and helped us. > > > They had special group studies on varied topics that people could > > > participate in if they chose. We had dinners > > > together. We were all involved together on a common mission of getting > > > through our classes and passing our first cert > > > together. I was not trying to implicate anything or anybody. > > Academically, > > > it was a great environment and too bad more > > > aren't the same and are conductive to learning. > > > > > > Since those times are past, this group, without it being a formal > > classroom > > > is the closest thing I have to college. And > > > right now, I am just discouraged... > > > > > > It is greatly distracting me from what my goals are. I do not mind a > > debate > > > but over pertinent issues that matter in the > > > long run from a 'cert viewpoint' but this is not one of those issues, > but > > it > > > is, like I said, very distracting for me from a > > > personal standpoint regarding my studying. I have never even read one > of > > > Howards, Priscilla's or Tom's books, but I > > > bet they are good. Of course, I am only assuming that based on the > > answers > > > I have seen posted by them on this site > > > and the 'free' study material compiled by them posted on > > > certificationzone.com that is available on a monthly basis that I > > > have read. Those people are why I stayed, because you can learn from > > them. > > > But I have not stolen anything from > > > them Phil as was implied by Wigle. > > > > > > And you are right..this is ridiculousI enjoy this site too much for > > one > > > Wigle to run me off. > > > I guess I will just wait for the dark blue sedan to pull up with all the > > > haggling lawyers > > > > > > Jenn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7/9/2001 9:30:48 AM, &qu
Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342]
Yowza! Come on, people, give Kevin a break! I think most are missing the point he tried to make in the first place. He wasn't necessarily calling Jennifer a criminal and coming down on her for it, he simply was saying that it might not be wise to pirate training materials and then mention it on a mailing list the includes a *large* number of people that create or contribute to training materials! That just makes sense! Kevin was attempting to make Jennifer more aware of the list environment, that's all. So, everyone, back to your corners and unruffle your feathers! :-) >>> "hal9001" 7/9/01 11:05:08 AM >>> Oh dear, not YOU, particularly but there are people in this world that Marx described as "useful fools", these people thus unwittingly allow despots etc get into positions of power and privilege. You might consider your position in the great order of things and you might consider say Mr Gates, his position and how he got there! However! It was rather good of you Kevin to to consider giving the matter a rest as I realise what a bunch of crepuscular low life's we must all seem to you and your lofty but quite laudable ideals. You be a great help in an ideal world...but that's just the point.an deal world. Jennifer I gather wearing plenty of Garlic and carrying a cross is a great help, on the other hand that could be something to do with bats, they come out in the dark don't they. GIVE IT UP! FINISH IT! Plase! Karl Reichmarshall of my little abode! Or so my wife says. - Original Message - From: "Kevin Wigle" To: "hal9001" ; Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 4:49 PM Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > I was hoping to just let it die but the "Seig Heil" is just a little over > the top. > > What is so difficult to understand about buying a single copy of any piece > of software and then burning copies? (and then telling the world about it) > > The scenario I painted doesn't require much imagination. > > And I'm not trying to run anybody off. But what I said should "distract" > anybody that does this openly. > > Kevin Wigle > > > - Original Message - > From: "hal9001" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 11:27 AM > Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > > > Yes Messers - Sue, Grabbit and Runne. > > > > I find it amazing that there are those who slavishly chase around and > brown > > nose themselves with big business and the powerful who are quite capable > of > > protecting themselves. Sad. Now every one say after me: > > "Seig Heil". > > > > K > > - Original Message - > > From: "Jennifer Cribbs" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 4:12 PM > > Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > > > > > > I have worked so hard studying and have loved all the wonderful > > > contributions from the people that make this site > > > special. But I am not a thief Phil...I really am not. We bought the > > > disk..We didn't steal it. We all paid money that we > > > had saved so we could study and pass our tests. We had a wonderful > > > instructor that cared about us and helped us. > > > They had special group studies on varied topics that people could > > > participate in if they chose. We had dinners > > > together. We were all involved together on a common mission of getting > > > through our classes and passing our first cert > > > together. I was not trying to implicate anything or anybody. > > Academically, > > > it was a great environment and too bad more > > > aren't the same and are conductive to learning. > > > > > > Since those times are past, this group, without it being a formal > > classroom > > > is the closest thing I have to college. And > > > right now, I am just discouraged... > > > > > > It is greatly distracting me from what my goals are. I do not mind a > > debate > > > but over pertinent issues that matter in the > > > long run from a 'cert viewpoint' but this is not one of those issues, > but > > it > > > is, like I said, very distracting for me from a > > > personal standpoint regarding my studying. I have never even read one > of > > > Howards, Priscilla's or Tom's books, but I > > > bet they are good. Of course, I am only assuming that based on the > > answers > > > I have seen posted by them on this site > > > and the 'free' study material compiled by them posted on > > > certificationzone.com that is ava
Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342]
I wish I could retire but I can't because I've not got a job, bummer eh! K - Original Message - From: "John Neiberger" To: Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 6:35 PM Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > Yowza! Come on, people, give Kevin a break! I think most are missing > the point he tried to make in the first place. He wasn't necessarily > calling Jennifer a criminal and coming down on her for it, he simply was > saying that it might not be wise to pirate training materials and then > mention it on a mailing list the includes a *large* number of people > that create or contribute to training materials! > > That just makes sense! Kevin was attempting to make Jennifer more > aware of the list environment, that's all. > > So, everyone, back to your corners and unruffle your feathers! :-) > > >>> "hal9001" 7/9/01 11:05:08 AM >>> > Oh dear, not YOU, particularly but there are people in this world that > Marx > described as "useful fools", these people thus unwittingly allow > despots etc > get into positions of power and privilege. > > You might consider your position in the great order of things and you > might > consider say Mr Gates, his position and how he got there! > > However! It was rather good of you Kevin to to consider giving the > matter a > rest as I realise what a bunch of crepuscular low life's we must all > seem to > you and your lofty but quite laudable ideals. You be a great help in > an > ideal world...but that's just the point.an deal world. > > Jennifer I gather wearing plenty of Garlic and carrying a cross is a > great > help, on the other hand that could be something to do with bats, they > come > out in the dark don't they. > > GIVE IT UP! FINISH IT! Pleeeease! > > Karl > > Reichmarshall of my little abode! Or so my wife says. > - Original Message - > From: "Kevin Wigle" > To: "hal9001" ; > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 4:49 PM > Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > > > I was hoping to just let it die but the "Seig Heil" is just a little > over > > the top. > > > > What is so difficult to understand about buying a single copy of any > piece > > of software and then burning copies? (and then telling the world > about it) > > > > The scenario I painted doesn't require much imagination. > > > > And I'm not trying to run anybody off. But what I said should > "distract" > > anybody that does this openly. > > > > Kevin Wigle > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "hal9001" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 11:27 AM > > Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > > > > > > Yes Messers - Sue, Grabbit and Runne. > > > > > > I find it amazing that there are those who slavishly chase around > and > > brown > > > nose themselves with big business and the powerful who are quite > capable > > of > > > protecting themselves. Sad. Now every one say after me: > > > "Seig Heil". > > > > > > K > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Jennifer Cribbs" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 4:12 PM > > > Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > > > > > > > > > I have worked so hard studying and have loved all the wonderful > > > > contributions from the people that make this site > > > > special. But I am not a thief Phil...I really am not. We bought > the > > > > disk..We didn't steal it. We all paid money that we > > > > had saved so we could study and pass our tests. We had a > wonderful > > > > instructor that cared about us and helped us. > > > > They had special group studies on varied topics that people > could > > > > participate in if they chose. We had dinners > > > > together. We were all involved together on a common mission of > getting > > > > through our classes and passing our first cert > > > > together. I was not trying to implicate anything or anybody. > > > Academically, > > > > it was a great environment and too bad more > > > > aren't the same and are conductive to learning. > > > > > > > > Since those times are past, this group, without it being a > formal > > > classroom > > > > is the closest thing I have to college. And > > > > right now, I am just discouraged... > >
RE: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342]
Hummm, imagine my disappointment when looking for an actual evaluation of the product. Can someone enlighten me as to the value of (the new) RouterSim on it's merits? Best, G. VP OGC Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=11556&t=11342 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342]
At 01:41 PM 7/9/01, hal9001 wrote: >I wish I could retire but I can't because I've not got a job, bummer eh! > >K Do you get paid for your work? Shouldn't Transcendor creators also get paid? Priscilla >- Original Message - >From: "John Neiberger" >To: >Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 6:35 PM >Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > > > Yowza! Come on, people, give Kevin a break! I think most are missing > > the point he tried to make in the first place. He wasn't necessarily > > calling Jennifer a criminal and coming down on her for it, he simply was > > saying that it might not be wise to pirate training materials and then > > mention it on a mailing list the includes a *large* number of people > > that create or contribute to training materials! > > > > That just makes sense! Kevin was attempting to make Jennifer more > > aware of the list environment, that's all. > > > > So, everyone, back to your corners and unruffle your feathers! :-) > > > > >>> "hal9001" 7/9/01 11:05:08 AM >>> > > Oh dear, not YOU, particularly but there are people in this world that > > Marx > > described as "useful fools", these people thus unwittingly allow > > despots etc > > get into positions of power and privilege. > > > > You might consider your position in the great order of things and you > > might > > consider say Mr Gates, his position and how he got there! > > > > However! It was rather good of you Kevin to to consider giving the > > matter a > > rest as I realise what a bunch of crepuscular low life's we must all > > seem to > > you and your lofty but quite laudable ideals. You be a great help in > > an > > ideal world...but that's just the point.an deal world. > > > > Jennifer I gather wearing plenty of Garlic and carrying a cross is a > > great > > help, on the other hand that could be something to do with bats, they > > come > > out in the dark don't they. > > > > GIVE IT UP! FINISH IT! Plase! > > > > Karl > > > > Reichmarshall of my little abode! Or so my wife says. > > - Original Message - > > From: "Kevin Wigle" > > To: "hal9001" ; > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 4:49 PM > > Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > > > > > > I was hoping to just let it die but the "Seig Heil" is just a little > > over > > > the top. > > > > > > What is so difficult to understand about buying a single copy of any > > piece > > > of software and then burning copies? (and then telling the world > > about it) > > > > > > The scenario I painted doesn't require much imagination. > > > > > > And I'm not trying to run anybody off. But what I said should > > "distract" > > > anybody that does this openly. > > > > > > Kevin Wigle > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "hal9001" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 11:27 AM > > > Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > > > > > > > > > Yes Messers - Sue, Grabbit and Runne. > > > > > > > > I find it amazing that there are those who slavishly chase around > > and > > > brown > > > > nose themselves with big business and the powerful who are quite > > capable > > > of > > > > protecting themselves. Sad. Now every one say after me: > > > > "Seig Heil". > > > > > > > > K > > > > - Original Message - > > > > From: "Jennifer Cribbs" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 4:12 PM > > > > Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have worked so hard studying and have loved all the wonderful > > > > > contributions from the people that make this site > > > > > special. But I am not a thief Phil...I really am not. We bought > > the > > > > > disk..We didn't steal it. We all paid money that we > > > > > had saved so we could study and pass our tests. We had a > > wonderful > > > > > instructor that cared about us and helped us. > > > > > They had special group studies on varied topics that people > > could > > > > > participate in if they chose. We
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Not you as well Pris. Lets just leave it! K - Original Message - From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" To: "hal9001" ; Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:18 PM Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > At 01:41 PM 7/9/01, hal9001 wrote: > >I wish I could retire but I can't because I've not got a job, bummer eh! > > > >K > > Do you get paid for your work? Shouldn't Transcendor creators also get paid? > > Priscilla > > >- Original Message - > >From: "John Neiberger" > >To: > >Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 6:35 PM > >Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > > > > > > Yowza! Come on, people, give Kevin a break! I think most are missing > > > the point he tried to make in the first place. He wasn't necessarily > > > calling Jennifer a criminal and coming down on her for it, he simply was > > > saying that it might not be wise to pirate training materials and then > > > mention it on a mailing list the includes a *large* number of people > > > that create or contribute to training materials! > > > > > > That just makes sense! Kevin was attempting to make Jennifer more > > > aware of the list environment, that's all. > > > > > > So, everyone, back to your corners and unruffle your feathers! :-) > > > > > > >>> "hal9001" 7/9/01 11:05:08 AM >>> > > > Oh dear, not YOU, particularly but there are people in this world that > > > Marx > > > described as "useful fools", these people thus unwittingly allow > > > despots etc > > > get into positions of power and privilege. > > > > > > You might consider your position in the great order of things and you > > > might > > > consider say Mr Gates, his position and how he got there! > > > > > > However! It was rather good of you Kevin to to consider giving the > > > matter a > > > rest as I realise what a bunch of crepuscular low life's we must all > > > seem to > > > you and your lofty but quite laudable ideals. You be a great help in > > > an > > > ideal world...but that's just the point.an deal world. > > > > > > Jennifer I gather wearing plenty of Garlic and carrying a cross is a > > > great > > > help, on the other hand that could be something to do with bats, they > > > come > > > out in the dark don't they. > > > > > > GIVE IT UP! FINISH IT! Plase! > > > > > > Karl > > > > > > Reichmarshall of my little abode! Or so my wife says. > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Kevin Wigle" > > > To: "hal9001" ; > > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 4:49 PM > > > Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > > > > > > > > > I was hoping to just let it die but the "Seig Heil" is just a little > > > over > > > > the top. > > > > > > > > What is so difficult to understand about buying a single copy of any > > > piece > > > > of software and then burning copies? (and then telling the world > > > about it) > > > > > > > > The scenario I painted doesn't require much imagination. > > > > > > > > And I'm not trying to run anybody off. But what I said should > > > "distract" > > > > anybody that does this openly. > > > > > > > > Kevin Wigle > > > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > > From: "hal9001" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 11:27 AM > > > > Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes Messers - Sue, Grabbit and Runne. > > > > > > > > > > I find it amazing that there are those who slavishly chase around > > > and > > > > brown > > > > > nose themselves with big business and the powerful who are quite > > > capable > > > > of > > > > > protecting themselves. Sad. Now every one say after me: > > > > > "Seig Heil". > > > > > > > > > > K > > > > > - Original Message - > > > > > From: "Jennifer Cribbs" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 4:12 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: Rou
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Yes, I have that configuration at a customer's site that I configured. (Dual MSFC's in a HSRP pair on Cat 6509's) It has been working well. Let me know what your questions are, and maybe I can help. __ Thomas Crowe Senior Systems Engineer / Architect CTS - Atlanta Phone: 770-664-3900 ext 45 Cell: 404-277-4089 __ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Lopez, Robert Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] Has anyone configured dual MSFC's on a 6509 with HA, HSRP capabilities with success. I'm reading through this document... http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/cat6000/sft_6_1/configgd /redund.htm#49378 It seems somewhat straight forward. Any opinions Robert -Original Message- From: Steve Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 11:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] Yeah Jen is staying!!! Now could someone please give me some tips on how to take my two 4006 with RSM and make them as close to redundant as possible. I need to run HSRP on the RSM if possible. Thanks, Steve -Original Message- From: Jennifer Cribbs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] I have worked so hard studying and have loved all the wonderful contributions from the people that make this site special. But I am not a thief Phil...I really am not. We bought the disk..We didn't steal it. We all paid money that we had saved so we could study and pass our tests. We had a wonderful instructor that cared about us and helped us. They had special group studies on varied topics that people could participate in if they chose. We had dinners together. We were all involved together on a common mission of getting through our classes and passing our first cert together. I was not trying to implicate anything or anybody. Academically, it was a great environment and too bad more aren't the same and are conductive to learning. Since those times are past, this group, without it being a formal classroom is the closest thing I have to college. And right now, I am just discouraged... It is greatly distracting me from what my goals are. I do not mind a debate but over pertinent issues that matter in the long run from a 'cert viewpoint' but this is not one of those issues, but it is, like I said, very distracting for me from a personal standpoint regarding my studying. I have never even read one of Howards, Priscilla's or Tom's books, but I bet they are good. Of course, I am only assuming that based on the answers I have seen posted by them on this site and the 'free' study material compiled by them posted on certificationzone.com that is available on a monthly basis that I have read. Those people are why I stayed, because you can learn from them. But I have not stolen anything from them Phil as was implied by Wigle. And you are right..this is ridiculousI enjoy this site too much for one Wigle to run me off. I guess I will just wait for the dark blue sedan to pull up with all the haggling lawyers Jenn 7/9/2001 9:30:48 AM, "Circusnuts" wrote: >What !!! > >Now this is ridiculous Jennifer- unless you're getting hate mail the >rest us are not seeing, no one else on this list cares. > >I enjoy you posts & am surprised Kevin has carried things this far... >Phil > >- Original Message - >From: "Jennifer Cribbs" >To: >Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:18 AM >Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > >> Rational or otherwise, an already convicted thief or not, I have withdrawn >> my subscription from groupstudy.. >> >> 7/9/2001 8:42:33 AM, "Kevin Wigle" wrote: >> >> >Jennifer, >> > >> >I'm not condemning you. I've read your posts and I thought you a >rational >> >person. >> > >> >But just read this >> > >> >"We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all copied it to >> >use from our school burner. It was registered in >> >a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and learning and >> >him helping us. Not cheating or pirating. >> >Right or wrong, that's what we did. " >> > >> >Can't get much closer to a confession than that. "We" normally includes >the >> >person talking but I'll let the lawyers haggle that one. >> > >> >Anyway, think of all the people on this list that make this list such a >> >great place for learning. >> > >> >Howard Be
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Let me ramble a little about this whole affair. There are no pure answers. Back in the stone age (i.e., mainframes with very limited remote access), how did I get into the more challenging areas? Maybe that environment is too different than today's. There were no certifications. There were no introductory books, much less computer-based training. Also, I was aiming at design and programming, not support. I first did some application programming in college. My day jobs, at first, were as an editor or research assistant. In each of those jobs, I got a little more computer exposure, and devoured every book I could afford. Eventually, I made an internal transfer from the documentation group to the programming group. It was a time of fairly frequent job moves, and I used good personal networking and resume skills to get ever more responsible jobs. My first break into the more technical areas -- mainframe system programming -- was while I was in a database retrieval/user support job, where I read every manual I could get my hands on, and experimented where I could. IBM's internals manuals were technically licensed to the site, and marked restricted. At the same time, new sets of manuals came out for new software release, and I began to stake out the trash can of the head of system programming, retrieving the discarded manuals after each release. Eventually, he found out, was amused, and began to mentor me. The manuals alone wouldn't have been enough to move up; I was constantly getting more theoretical background. Part of this came from reading, but I was active in professional societies like ACM and IEEE, went to every evening seminar I could find, etc. Was this violating copyright? I tend to think not, since I did work at the site to which the materials were licensed, and I used either assigned or discarded materials. I didn't make copies. Let me quote the "hacker ethic," as codified by Stephen Levy. I am _not_ using the term "hacker" here in a positive or negative sense, but in its original meaning, which probably evolved at MIT. -- Access to computers should be unlimited and total. -- All information should be free. -- Mistrust authority - promote decentralization. -- Hackers should be judged by their hacking not bogus criteria such as degrees, age, race, or position. -- You create art and beauty on a computer, -- Computers can change your life for the better. There is some value here, but I can't agree with every point. I don't want unlimited and total access to the computer that is controlling a respirator, bypass pump, or X-ray machine that my life is dependent on. The crux of the ethic, which impacts directly on the current discussion, really is the second point. If all information is free, how do the creators of information live? The GNU idea is that the creators will get consulting and support work to make up for the loss of revenue. Napster and such have the principle that if people can try-before-they buy, it will increase the overall concert income to bands, and probably increase CD sales. True, I like to write. True, my writing helps my overall professional reputation and improves the compensation in my day job. But, it's not worth it to me to give away my time to write and give it away. The basic model of compensation that I have with my publishers is based on royalty on sales. Less sales, less compensation. Sure, there are advances and specific commissions, but the reality is that if I don't sell, I don't earn anything. Now -- there are many people on the list that say "they can't afford the materials" or "just want to learn." From my own experience, I'd rephrase things a bit. There are lots of free materials available for anyone with Internet access -- CCO, RFCs, etc. What is not available free are the shortcuts to specific goals such as certification. If one "just wants to learn," there are huge amounts of material available. It just takes longer. I drive a 1987 Jeep, but my main computer is a Mac G4. I have to make decisions about what I can afford. When I was a beginner, I was able to find mentors, but there weren't shortcuts to good jobs. Let's face it -- the motivation for most people who want to get certified is to improve their income quickly. Nothing wrong with that. But I don't understand how some people could look me in the eye and say "I'm going to take what you produce for part of your income, without compensation, so I can improve my income." Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=11571&t=11342 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 11:58 PM 7/8/01, Jennifer Cribbs wrote: >Kevin, > >I am not saying I am guilty of anything...You are! When you are in a >semester of school virtually inexperienced in the >computer realm, things happen. I am merely replying to a mail that was >posted here. > >You think it is a soft piracy ring??...and it will be my fault they get >caught??...I don't think so Kevin. You are the one >who is wrong. I was the student on a learning quest. And if I was wrong and >this is the worst thing I ever do, then I >won't worry or lose sleep over it. How do you know you won't worry about it? You might become an author or software developer yourself. Perhaps when you get further in your studies you will become a creator instead of a consumer of knowledge. That evolution tends to change people's minds about software piracy, I have found. Priscilla >There are so few indescretions in my life that this one just kinda sticks >out and came to mind...Sorry for the stress my >post caused you. > >Jennifer > > > > > >7/8/2001 8:41:46 PM, "Kevin Wigle" wrote: > > >In today's litigious world, I'm surprised that anyone would go onto a > >respected mailing list and publicly admit that they're guilty of software > >piracy and provide enough details to be tracked down. > > > >Then further implicate the school by using their equipment and further > >implicate a "co-instructor" at the school. > > > >I'm sure it wouldn't take much sleuthing to find the school, the > >co-instructor's name and the entire "ring". > > > >I'm not saying I'm lily white but I don't advertise my indiscretions to the > >world. I'm sure a company like Cisco does not want it to be known that a > >school allowed (either explicitly or through negligence) software piracy had > >anything to do with the academy. > > > >At the end of the day it is theft, we can all debate the problems of > >obtaining affordable training/schooling, but at the end of the debate - it > >is theft. The school could be sued, the academy could be withdrawn, the > >co-instructor could lose his job and legal expenses could make whatever > >profit you thought you made unavailable for a long time. > > > >Why would you want to tell us about it? > > > >Kevin Wigle > > > > > >- Original Message - > >From: "Jennifer Cribbs" > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, 08 July, 2001 17:42 > >Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > > > > >> Personally, I think it's good to help people and there is a difference > >being > >> profiting from someones else's work and > >> helping people trying to learn. When I was in school, all the students > >went > >> in together and bought transcender for the > >> ccna. We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all copied it to > >> use from our school burner. It was registered in > >> a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and learning and > >> him helping us. Not cheating or pirating. > >> Right or wrong, that's what we did. And I will also add that > >transcender's > >> high points are the excellent explanations at > >> the end of each question. The questions themselves were not geared in a > >way > >> however to prepare a student for what > >> was coming and the structure of what the real questions were about. If > >you > >> didn't study the explanations, you might fall > >> into that trap of memorizing and not learning. > >> > >> People will probably disagree with me also... > >> > >> Jennifer Cribbs. > >> [been there, done that] > >> > >> 7/8/2001 2:46:10 PM, "PHIMHONGKONG" wrote: > >> > >> >contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] i have router sim 2.1 and switch sim + > >ccno > >> >sim > >> >i can burn you one > >> >:-d > >> >i dont sell pirate software . i am helping you to study :-) > >> > > >> >poeple please dont say i am pirater > >> > > >> > wrote in message > >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > >> >> Hi to all, > >> >> For anybody who own a RouterSim 3.0. I am planning to invest $250.00 > >> >buying > >> >> RouterSim 3.0 router simulator to preopare for my CCNA certification. > >Can > >> >I > >> >> burn a copy of this as my back-up? Can I simultaneously install this to > >> >two > >> >> hard drives (i.e, to a desk top and to a lap top)? > >> >> Please educate me. > >> >> > >> >> Thanks, > >> >> Val > >> Have a great day!! > >> Jennifer >Have a great day!! >Jennifer Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=11561&t=11342 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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No, no eval available, but there are pretty good screen shots on the Web site, yeah, not the same, I know. My only experience with RouterSim has been with v3, so I can't compare between 2 and 3. However, I found it very useful in studying for the CCNA and I think it helped tremendously in passing it. It really re-inforced the commands in the book, and got me used to a router console / telnet interface, as well as familiarizing me with the commands supported in RS. It simulates a 2621, two 2509s, two 804s (good practice for ISDN), a 1900 and one other slightly higher-end switch (don't have RouterSim in front of me, so I can't tell you which right now). I was slightly disappointed that it doesn't support the whole command set for each router type, but it's a much better range than the e-trainer I got with the Sybex book. I personally think it's a worthwhile investment, particularly since rack time at the available rent-a-router sites can really add up. Oh, and you don't have to follow the labs slavishly; I would make up scenarios based on my current work environment and test them on RS. I feel that if I was in an interview in which I was asked to demonstrate the commands to accomplish such-and-so, on an actual router, I'd be able to. My .02 >>> "Hartnell, George" 07/09/01 12:34PM >>> Hummm, imagine my disappointment when looking for an actual evaluation of the product. Can someone enlighten me as to the value of (the new) RouterSim on it's merits? Best, G. VP OGC Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=11600&t=11342 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Priscilla O., Howard B., Philip H., Thomas C. and the rest, You know, I have just gotten home from work and I just don't know what to say anymore. I have read all these long lists of entries that transpired during the course of the day and I am amazed at the trouble my post has caused..I never meant for this to be. I, as a general rule, try to mind my own business and now because I opened my mouth, my business is everywhere. I have always generated alot of verbal noise. And so now, I guess will be no different. Whether it actually helps or not will remain to be seen. Now, let me tell you my impressions of it all first, and I am going to group all my thoughts of this, in this one e-mail, so in other words this is directed to everyone who has contributed to this thread. I started at the top of the mail list when I opened my account and just started reading downward. At first it seemed that each person was trying to out-do the others in tone and in manner concerning this thread. I could see people criticizing each other and calling each other names that were not involved in the original thread at all. People are making personal attacks on each other and publicly. And I am the reason for this. I am a 43 yr old woman and have never had a problem speaking for myself and trying to be articulate and understood and without have to use mannerisms than are condemning to another individual and who they are. But today, that has been different. I am nearly ashamed of myself as I see what I have caused. I organized all the mail that was actually directed at me in one pile and is also to whom this letter is addressed to, and on the other side, people that were exhibiting condemning attitudes for whatever reason. Howard B., Priscilla O., Thomas C. and Philip H. .this letter is really addressed to all four of you. Now, I can divide you up into two groups. Priscilla and Howard on one side and Thomas and Philip on the other. Thomas and Phillip: Thank you very much for the suggestions of help. I will get back with you. They are both excellent ideas and I have explored some of these options already, but I thank you. Howard: You have had an interesting past and quite varied as you moved up in the computer realm. And you are right, there are tons of free information out there. I have thousands of links saved on disks and on my very full desktop that I explore trying to put all the pieces of networking together for me so I can understand it. The cisco university is one. Technet is another that has proven useful. But the first yr of my academy, was also the first yr I ever touched a computer. That is not an excuse but a fact. I had never heard, except briefly mentioned by an nt instructor, anything about sw piracy. I was a person that had their nose buried in books for hrs on end that lasted yrs at a time. I did not watch tv or the news or anything else. I existed to explore my own interests in books exploring the other topics that held interest for me...Computers was not one of them. It never even crossed my mind that crimes were being committed on computers. When I wasn't reading, I was working or sleeping or raising kids. No computers, no knowledge of the world, no special insight on current events or ethics regarding computer anything. Ignorance, however, is also not an excuse for our deeds as jails are full of people who say they didn't know. And I'll tell you one more thing. I would dearly love to find a trash can like that full of books. I would take them home also. I don't feel that was a violation of a copyright law but I am not an expert on copyright laws so I can't really say for sure. But, on a personal stand, I feel they were free enterprise and going to the incinerator. But this is actually off the subject. To touch briefly on one more point you made, and no Howard, not the guilt trip point, but the one about free knowledge...I only agree with this to a point. Access to 'The Information Highway'...yes, should be free to all. But, not all information in our world should be included on that road. Somethings are harmful, and others should just be private. But the right to explore and learn should be there and should remain there. The computer is a wonderful educational tool for he who wants to learnand I do. I might have been wrong technically in what I did Howard, but I did not have bad or wicked motives toward the makers of transcenders products. I felt at the time I was getting a bargain. That is actually the only thing that crossed my mind. Priscilla: I don't know that in the future I won't worry about it. Up until this point I hadn't been. This had not actually crossed my mind again until i saw the original post with the guy worried about sending router sim 3.0. And I don't know what this may have in store for me in the future. I can't say right now at all. I might like to create. I have already been a creator of some things. 9 oil paintings, and a n
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Welcome to the world of "techno zealots". Most of the time, everyone gets along. HOWEVER, everyone definitely has their opinion and normally does not mind sharing them. Think of this as "techno group therapy". It is almost impossible not to start of passionate discussion sometime or another during your affiliation with any newsgroup. It happens. I have been roasted on several occasions myself. My best words of advice: Do not let it bother and learn from this experience. This is America at her finest!! The free, (sometimes PAINFUL) exchange of ideas and thoughts. My $0.02 worth -- "Through Complexity there is Simplicity, Through Simplicity there is Complexity" David L. Blair - CCNP, CCNA, MCSE, CBE, A+, 3Wizard Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=11704&t=11342 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jennifer, I have no doubt that you are the root (or route) of all evil. Good to see that you have come clean on your life of crime and turned yourself in. Ronnie Biggs beat you to it though, so I'm surprised it's caused so much fuss - just jumping on the band wagon. :-) Hope nobody minds me nipping in to the Software Piracy chat room, but the rest of us are losing out on an education while all the experts are all in here. Anybody coming out to play - this threads long enough. Gaz ""David L. Blair"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Welcome to the world of "techno zealots". Most of the time, everyone gets > along. HOWEVER, everyone definitely has their opinion and normally does not > mind sharing them. Think of this as "techno group therapy". > > It is almost impossible not to start of passionate discussion sometime or > another during your affiliation with any newsgroup. It happens. I have > been roasted on several occasions myself. > > My best words of advice: Do not let it bother and learn from this > experience. > > This is America at her finest!! The free, (sometimes PAINFUL) exchange of > ideas and thoughts. > > > My $0.02 worth > > > -- > "Through Complexity there is Simplicity, >Through Simplicity there is Complexity" > > David L. Blair - CCNP, CCNA, MCSE, CBE, A+, 3Wizard Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=11774&t=11342 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Have you timed the failover? How long did it take? Thomas Crowe wrote: > Yes, I have that configuration at a customer's site that I configured. (Dual > MSFC's in a HSRP pair on Cat 6509's) It has been working well. Let me know > what your questions are, and maybe I can help. > > __ > > Thomas Crowe > Senior Systems Engineer / Architect > CTS - Atlanta > Phone: 770-664-3900 ext 45 > Cell: 404-277-4089 > __ > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Lopez, Robert > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:50 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > Has anyone configured dual MSFC's on a 6509 with HA, HSRP capabilities with > success. I'm reading through this document... > http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/cat6000/sft_6_1/configgd > /redund.htm#49378 > > It seems somewhat straight forward. Any opinions > > Robert > > -Original Message- > From: Steve Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 11:35 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > Yeah Jen is staying!!! > > Now could someone please give me some tips on how to take my two 4006 > with RSM and make them as close to redundant as possible. I need to run > HSRP on the RSM if possible. > > Thanks, > Steve > > -Original Message- > From: Jennifer Cribbs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:13 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > I have worked so hard studying and have loved all the wonderful > contributions from the people that make this site > special. But I am not a thief Phil...I really am not. We bought the > disk..We didn't steal it. We all paid money that we > had saved so we could study and pass our tests. We had a wonderful > instructor that cared about us and helped us. > They had special group studies on varied topics that people could > participate in if they chose. We had dinners > together. We were all involved together on a common mission of getting > through our classes and passing our first cert > together. I was not trying to implicate anything or anybody. > Academically, > it was a great environment and too bad more > aren't the same and are conductive to learning. > > Since those times are past, this group, without it being a formal > classroom > is the closest thing I have to college. And > right now, I am just discouraged... > > It is greatly distracting me from what my goals are. I do not mind a > debate > but over pertinent issues that matter in the > long run from a 'cert viewpoint' but this is not one of those issues, > but it > is, like I said, very distracting for me from a > personal standpoint regarding my studying. I have never even read one > of > Howards, Priscilla's or Tom's books, but I > bet they are good. Of course, I am only assuming that based on the > answers > I have seen posted by them on this site > and the 'free' study material compiled by them posted on > certificationzone.com that is available on a monthly basis that I > have read. Those people are why I stayed, because you can learn from > them. > But I have not stolen anything from > them Phil as was implied by Wigle. > > And you are right..this is ridiculousI enjoy this site too much for > one > Wigle to run me off. > I guess I will just wait for the dark blue sedan to pull up with all the > haggling lawyers > > Jenn > > 7/9/2001 9:30:48 AM, "Circusnuts" wrote: > > >What !!! > > > >Now this is ridiculous Jennifer- unless you're getting hate mail > the > >rest us are not seeing, no one else on this list cares. > > > >I enjoy you posts & am surprised Kevin has carried things this far... > >Phil > > > >- Original Message - > >From: "Jennifer Cribbs" > >To: > >Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:18 AM > >Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342] > > > > > >> Rational or otherwise, an already convicted thief or not, I have > withdrawn > >> my subscription from groupstudy.. > >> > >> 7/9/2001 8:42:33 AM, "Kevin Wigle" wrote: > >> > >> >Jennifer, > >> > > >> >I'm not condemning you. I've read your posts and I thought you a > >rational > >> >person. > >> > > >> >But just read this > >> > > >> >"We couldn'
