Re: Stus-List Reverse Flow on Transom Bilge Outflow

[Gary Russell]

Hi Alex,
 We had the exact same problem with Expresso when we first got her and
solved the problem with a loop in the bilge pump line that entered the
transom and was routed up to just below the deck level before returning
down to the bilge pump.  No more problem.  No valves of any kind required.

Gary
S/V Expresso
'75 C&C 35 Mk II


On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 11:31 PM, Alex Giannelia  wrote:

> WE had a race years ago, where we sucked water into the manual bilge pump
> going 10+ kts downwind under the kite.  Had to run the electric and hand
> pump to get the water to go back out again, made me think that you might
> need one of those vacuum breaks in the bilge pump outflow.  Any lister
> tried those?
>
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Re: Stus-List 35-3 spin pole downhaul question

[Jake Brodersen]

Graham,

We use a double ended downhaul.  It runs from a pair of blocks mounted just
aft of the anchor locker, along the sides of the cabin (at deck level), to
the cockpit coaming.  I probably have three fairleads on each side.  No real
contact occurs with the cabin or deck when the system is under load.  The
double ended system makes it easier to adjust without a winch, especially
since we do end-for-end gybes.  If the downhaul went all the way to the bow,
a single line would work fine.

Jake

Jake Brodersen
C&C 35 Mk-III
"Midnight Mistress
Hampton VA




-Original Message-
From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
On Behalf Of Graham Collins
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 8:50 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List 35-3 spin pole downhaul question

A question, somewhat specific for the other 35-3 owners.

When we use our spin pole the pole downhaul is run from the pole, down to a
snatch block on the foredeck (padeye on the deck), and back along the side
of the cabin through a couple of fairleads (usually starboard side, but can
do it on the other side as well).  We use a single run of 3/8" for this.

I'm not hugely happy with this as it drags on the forward corner of the
cabin side (forward of the hatch).

Any better routing methods for this?

My apologies, I'm probably doing a crap job describing it.

--
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Re: Stus-List 35-3 spin pole downhaul question

[Joel Aronson]

Tim,

SS tape?  Where do you buy it?  Hope you are back on the water!

Joel
Sent from my iPad

On Sep 12, 2012, at 1:06 AM, Tim Goodyear  wrote:

We have a single line arrangement to starboard on Mojito.  We have a
turning block for the foreguy foreward of the anchor locker and then (fair)
leads back to the clutches on the starboard side of the companionway.  2:1
doesn't seem to be necessary as long as you have someone in the pit
position, and we don't foul the cabin top at all.  If it does, why not add
some stainless tape to save chafing?

Tim
Mojito
1984 C&C 35-3

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 10:24 PM, Dennis C.  wrote:

>  Not a 35-3 but perhaps a solution you'd consider.
>
> Touche's pole downhaul is doubled so it can be adjusted from either side.
> It does not run across the cabin but instead runs down the deck just inside
> the toe rails.
>
> The 2:1 downhaul runs through a single swivel block with snapshackle that
> clips to the bridle ring.  The two ends are run down to 2 swivel single
> blocks attached to the foredeck padeye on a single springhook.  From each
> single block, a line runs down each side of the boat through single blocks
> which are  attached to stanchion bases by springhooks.  From the stanchions
> just forward of the cockpit, the lines run to angled camcleats on either
> side of the cabin.  The two ends are tied together in the cockpit and
> usually tossed below into the cabin.  The lines are easily reached and
> adjusted by the guy trimmer as required.
>
> The whole system is removed between regattas.
>
> Dennis C.
>
>   --
> *From:* Joel Aronson 
> *To:* "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 11, 2012 8:03 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 35-3 spin pole downhaul question
>
> I understand it.  I have the same setup only on starboard.  Only
> solutions I can think of are to add another fairlead or to use a
> length of line or wire to raise up the snatch block.
>
> Joel
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Sep 11, 2012, at 8:49 PM, Graham Collins 
> wrote:
>
> > A question, somewhat specific for the other 35-3 owners.
> >
> > When we use our spin pole the pole downhaul is run from the pole, down
> to a snatch block on the foredeck (padeye on the deck), and back along the
> side of the cabin through a couple of fairleads (usually starboard side,
> but can do it on the other side as well).  We use a single run of 3/8" for
> this.
> >
> > I'm not hugely happy with this as it drags on the forward corner of the
> cabin side (forward of the hatch).
> >
> > Any better routing methods for this?
> >
> > My apologies, I'm probably doing a crap job describing it.
> >
> > --
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> > Secret Plans
> > C&C 35-III #11
> >
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Re: Stus-List 35-3 spin pole downhaul question

[Morgenstern, Keith E CIV SEA 08 NR]

Our downhaul arrangement has many similarities on my 35-3.

But instead of running the line down the toerail, we run it along the
cabin sides.

I mounted two small-ish eye straps about 1.5" forward of each corner of
the forward hatch, and have a block on each.  
The deck and cabin liner come together in that area, so it is very
strong.
Plus, that way there isn't any hardware in the middle of the foredeck to
trip people up.

The down-haul is double-ended so you can adjust it from either tack.

Then there are two fair-leads (bullseyes) on the cabin top, mounted
between the shrouds and the mast so that they don't get snagged by jib
sheets and the like.

The only downsides are that
1) occasionally when you go to close the forward hatch, you have to move
aside the blocks mounted close by, but no biggie.
And
2) when you go to pull the spinnaker down the hatch, there is a set of
lines closeby, but we've never really had problems with that.

-Keith M

-Original Message-
From: Dennis C. [mailto:capt...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 22:25
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List 35-3 spin pole downhaul question

Not a 35-3 but perhaps a solution you'd consider.

Touche's pole downhaul is doubled so it can be adjusted from either
side.  It does not run across the cabin but instead runs down the deck
just inside the toe rails.


The 2:1 downhaul runs through a single swivel block with snapshackle
that clips to the bridle ring.  The two ends are run down to 2 swivel
single blocks attached to the foredeck padeye on a single springhook.
>From each single block, a line runs down each side of the boat through
single blocks which are  attached to stanchion bases by springhooks.
>From the stanchions just forward of the cockpit, the lines run to angled
camcleats on either side of the cabin.  The two ends are tied together
in the cockpit and usually tossed below into the cabin.  The lines are
easily reached and adjusted by the guy trimmer as required.

The whole system is removed between regattas.

Dennis C.





From: Joel Aronson 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"  
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List 35-3 spin pole downhaul question


I understand it.  I have the same setup only on starboard.  Only
solutions I can think of are to add another fairlead or to use a
length of line or wire to raise up the snatch block.

Joel
Sent from my iPad

On Sep 11, 2012, at 8:49 PM, Graham Collins
 wrote:

> A question, somewhat specific for the other 35-3 owners.
>
> When we use our spin pole the pole downhaul is run from the
pole, down to a snatch block on the foredeck (padeye on the deck), and
back along the side of the cabin through a couple of fairleads (usually
starboard side, but can do it on the other side as well).  We use a
single run of 3/8" for this.
>
> I'm not hugely happy with this as it drags on the forward
corner of the cabin side (forward of the hatch).
>
> Any better routing methods for this?
>
> My apologies, I'm probably doing a crap job describing it.
>
> --
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C&C 35-III #11
>
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Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure

[djhaug...@juno.com]

Okay so,  Here is what I think may have happened.  I think, when I let go of 
the wheel to help furl the headsail, the rudder swung hard to port and went 
right past the stop.   This allowed the chain to roll right off the sprocket.   
When I was playing around with trying to get it back, I got the chain to cable 
fitting to go back over the steering shaft and the stop spindle on the rudder 
post wheel to slip back by the stop on the bulkhead.  What good is a stop if it 
doesn't stop anything?  Anyway I guess I should have engaged the break or tied 
off the wheel before I let it go.   I'm going to head down tonight and try and 
remove the cable and chain to order a new one.  I'm also going to get in the 
water and have a look at the prop and shaft as there is some mysterious 
vibration happening now...I wonder if the rudder managed to swing so far as to 
have bent the brand new $500.00 shaft I just installed...  Or maybe it bent the 
strut... The wife is pretty disgusted in the whole ordeal.  she feels we wasted 
and entire summer working on this boat only to have this happen and we're not 
done working on it and we can't go sailing because we need to make ANOTHER 
repair and waste more great weather working on the boat.   I think she has also 
lost confidence in the boat...  I tried to take all the blame myself saying we 
didn't do enough shake down sailing and that it was my fault for letting go of 
the wheel and allowing the rudder to swing...  Her take is that we should be 
able to let go of the wheel in a troubled situation and not worry about 
becoming disabled...I tend to agree.  As much as we both like the wheel I'm 
considering going back to the tiller...or I need to beef up the stops or find a 
better solution to prevent this from happening again.  I think, knowing what I 
know now, I will be more careful about tying the wheel off.  Or...I don't 
know,...  it is hard to believe this has never happened before... Any insights 
are always appreciated...  Don't worry about hurting my delicate 
sensibilities...  LOL I have to try and get the boat back in the wife's good 
graces or I could really end up in a Catalina Danny  

-- Original Message --
From: Martin DeYoung 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:34:53 +

Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure

[Rich Knowles]

Danny. I don't understand how the rudder could have swung by the stop if the 
boat was moving forward. 

Rich 

On 2012-09-12, at 12:32, "djhaug...@juno.com"  wrote:

Okay so,  Here is what I think may have happened.  I think, when I let go of 
the wheel to help furl the headsail, the rudder swung hard to port and went 
right past the stop.   This allowed the chain to roll right off the sprocket.   
When I was playing around with trying to get it back, I got the chain to cable 
fitting to go back over the steering shaft and the stop spindle on the rudder 
post wheel to slip back by the stop on the bulkhead.  What good is a stop if it 
doesn't stop anything?  Anyway I guess I should have engaged the break or tied 
off the wheel before I let it go.  
 
I'm going to head down tonight and try and remove the cable and chain to order 
a new one.  I'm also going to get in the water and have a look at the prop and 
shaft as there is some mysterious vibration happening now...I wonder if the 
rudder managed to swing so far as to have bent the brand new $500.00 shaft I 
just installed...  Or maybe it bent the strut...
 
The wife is pretty disgusted in the whole ordeal.  she feels we wasted and 
entire summer working on this boat only to have this happen and we're not done 
working on it and we can't go sailing because we need to make ANOTHER repair 
and waste more great weather working on the boat.   I think she has also lost 
confidence in the boat...  I tried to take all the blame myself saying we 
didn't do enough shake down sailing and that it was my fault for letting go of 
the wheel and allowing the rudder to swing...  Her take is that we should be 
able to let go of the wheel in a troubled situation and not worry about 
becoming disabled...I tend to agree.  As much as we both like the wheel I'm 
considering going back to the tiller...or I need to beef up the stops or find a 
better solution to prevent this from happening again.  I think, knowing what I 
know now, I will be more careful about tying the wheel off.  Or...I don't 
know,...  it is hard to believe this has never happened before...
 
Any insights are always appreciated...  Don't worry about hurting my delicate 
sensibilities...  LOL
 
I have to try and get the boat back in the wife's good graces or I could really 
end up in a Catalina
 
Danny
 
 


-- Original Message --
From: Martin DeYoung 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:34:53 +

Friends don’t let friends buy Catalina’s, Hunter’s, or Bayliner’s.

 

MartinCalypso

1971 C&C 43

Seattle

From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:56 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure

 

I hear ya, Russ...  I'm not letting beat though...came close and the wife is 
saying..."Now I know why people buy the brand new Catalina..."  e

 

you could have 2 or 3 catalinas for the price of the Sabre that I covet!

 

If it hadn't been for the rough seas, the fast response of Tow BoatUS and the 
comfort level of my wife...I'd have dropped down below.  As it turns out, if I 
had removed the cable or pulled the pin in the pedestal I probably would have 
had control again.  I guess the thing is that, I had ot done anything with the 
steering sytem so I was not at all familiar with it...I should have known 
better.

 

I just hope my wife forgives the Viking pretty quickly or she'll be pushing 
even harder for the Catlina...At least she isn't get out of boating all 
together!  if worse comes to worse a catlina is better than no boat at all!!!  
LOL

 

You can't beat the speed though...we were hitting 9 knots with the currents 
with just the head sail before all hell broke loose!  lets see a catlina do 
that!  LOL

 

Danny

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Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure

[Della Barba, Joe]

The stops on my boat work well and prevent exactly the kind of thing that 
happened to you.
As for your wife..not sure I have a fix for that that 
doesn't involve a lot of money.
If it makes you feel any better, my wife has over the years put up with  - 
sometimes with good humor and sometimes not -
A failed fuel pump that I fixed with an outboard squeeze bulb. She had to 
squeeze the whole way home or steer while I squeezed. SQUEEZE HARDER DON'T LET 
IT GO SOFT was yelled frequently to encourage maintenance of fuel pressure :)
An engine that died on the last day of our cruise about 10 yards from the 
mooring. This then entailed putting the engine in the dinghy, dragging it up on 
the dock, and using a tree to hoist it into her car. Everything was going great 
until the A4- lacking a front oil seal - dumped a quart of oil in her car. This 
same cruise involved several days with a heat index around 108-110 and 100% 
humidity at night. We tried watching a movie at night in the cockpit for more 
air and 1,000 moths landed on the TV.  And then the engine was in the shop and 
my basement for 2 months getting fixed.
A fuel fill hose that popped a leak and dumped several gallons of gas into the 
bilge.
A bilge pump that for some reason - after a decade of good service - decided to 
siphon INTO the boat and caused my wife to step into almost knee-deep water 
around 0200 when she got up to use the head.
More engine malfunctions than I can count until I finally gave the damn thing 
away and got another one. My wife actually accused me of LIKING these issues 
because one day I was dancing around yelling "I AM A GOD OF ENGINES" after a 
successful MacGyver fix of some ignition malfunction.

Even brand new boats have all kinds of issues. Anyone who buys a used boat or 
airplane has a year or two of getting everything fixed and even then it is 
always an adventure. A lot of cash will get you a new boat, but it isn't easy 
to fix the expectation that old boats (and airplanes and antique cars and 1960s 
British motorcycles) will run like a Honda Civic.

Cruising- (cruzing) Verb. The act of doing boat repairs in exotic locations

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I

From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 8:32 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure

Okay so,  Here is what I think may have happened.  I think, when I let go of 
the wheel to help furl the headsail, the rudder swung hard to port and went 
right past the stop.   This allowed the chain to roll right off the sprocket.   
When I was playing around with trying to get it back, I got the chain to cable 
fitting to go back over the steering shaft and the stop spindle on the rudder 
post wheel to slip back by the stop on the bulkhead.  What good is a stop if it 
doesn't stop anything?  Anyway I guess I should have engaged the break or tied 
off the wheel before I let it go.

I'm going to head down tonight and try and remove the cable and chain to order 
a new one.  I'm also going to get in the water and have a look at the prop and 
shaft as there is some mysterious vibration happening now...I wonder if the 
rudder managed to swing so far as to have bent the brand new $500.00 shaft I 
just installed...  Or maybe it bent the strut...

The wife is pretty disgusted in the whole ordeal.  she feels we wasted and 
entire summer working on this boat only to have this happen and we're not done 
working on it and we can't go sailing because we need to make ANOTHER repair 
and waste more great weather working on the boat.   I think she has also lost 
confidence in the boat...  I tried to take all the blame myself saying we 
didn't do enough shake down sailing and that it was my fault for letting go of 
the wheel and allowing the rudder to swing...  Her take is that we should be 
able to let go of the wheel in a troubled situation and not worry about 
becoming disabled...I tend to agree.  As much as we both like the wheel I'm 
considering going back to the tiller...or I need to beef up the stops or find a 
better solution to prevent this from happening again.  I think, knowing what I 
know now, I will be more careful about tying the wheel off.  Or...I don't 
know,...  it is hard to believe this has never happened before...

Any insights are always appreciated...  Don't worry about hurting my delicate 
sensibilities...  LOL

I have to try and get the boat back in the wife's good graces or I could really 
end up in a Catalina

Danny




-- Original Message --
From: Martin DeYoung mailto:mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com>>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:34:53 +
Friends don't let friends buy Catalina's, Hunter's, or Bayliner's.

MartinCalypso
1971 C&C 

Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure

[dwight veinot]

Danny

The axles in the pulleys for the steering cable below deck are built to fail
when stressed hard as when the rudder goes over hard.I know this from
experience with my Edson system on my 35 MKII.the axles in the pulleys on my
boat have a small circumferential cut that creates the weakest link which I
believe was intentional in the design.nonetheless the stop could also have
been dislodged but if the rudder went hard and fast all the way to the stop
I would suggest you check to make sure the axles in the below deck pulleys
are still good..I broke one axle but with some difficulty I was still able
to steer the boat.that's when I discovered that using the emergency tiller
on a 35 MKII is not easy and requires removing the wheel.I was trying the
reverse power of my H5 Autoprop propeller for the first time not realizing
how much more power it had than my old 2 blade folding Martec prop and the
boat developed such quick speed the wheel slipped right through my wife's
hands spinning her sideways and causing her to crack her elbow pretty hard
on the cockpit coaming.painful and bruised but thankfully no breaks and she
was a good sport about it.I manufactured and installed a new axle in the
pulley, adjusted the tension on the cable and have been going OK ever since
that happened about 7 years ago

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

  _  

From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
On Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com
Sent: September 12, 2012 9:32 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure

 

Okay so,  Here is what I think may have happened.  I think, when I let go of
the wheel to help furl the headsail, the rudder swung hard to port and went
right past the stop.   This allowed the chain to roll right off the
sprocket.   When I was playing around with trying to get it back, I got the
chain to cable fitting to go back over the steering shaft and the stop
spindle on the rudder post wheel to slip back by the stop on the bulkhead.
What good is a stop if it doesn't stop anything?  Anyway I guess I should
have engaged the break or tied off the wheel before I let it go.  

 

I'm going to head down tonight and try and remove the cable and chain to
order a new one.  I'm also going to get in the water and have a look at the
prop and shaft as there is some mysterious vibration happening now...I
wonder if the rudder managed to swing so far as to have bent the brand new
$500.00 shaft I just installed...  Or maybe it bent the strut...

 

The wife is pretty disgusted in the whole ordeal.  she feels we wasted and
entire summer working on this boat only to have this happen and we're not
done working on it and we can't go sailing because we need to make ANOTHER
repair and waste more great weather working on the boat.   I think she has
also lost confidence in the boat...  I tried to take all the blame myself
saying we didn't do enough shake down sailing and that it was my fault for
letting go of the wheel and allowing the rudder to swing...  Her take is
that we should be able to let go of the wheel in a troubled situation and
not worry about becoming disabled...I tend to agree.  As much as we both
like the wheel I'm considering going back to the tiller...or I need to beef
up the stops or find a better solution to prevent this from happening again.
I think, knowing what I know now, I will be more careful about tying the
wheel off.  Or...I don't know,...  it is hard to believe this has never
happened before...

 

Any insights are always appreciated...  Don't worry about hurting my
delicate sensibilities...  LOL

 

I have to try and get the boat back in the wife's good graces or I could
really end up in a Catalina

 

Danny

 

 



-- Original Message --
From: Martin DeYoung 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:34:53 +

Friends don't let friends buy Catalina's, Hunter's, or Bayliner's. 

 

MartinCalypso

1971 C&C 43

Seattle

  _  

From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
On Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:56 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure

 

I hear ya, Russ...  I'm not letting beat though...came close and the wife is
saying..."Now I know why people buy the brand new Catalina..."  e

 

you could have 2 or 3 catalinas for the price of the Sabre that I covet!

 

If it hadn't been for the rough seas, the fast response of Tow BoatUS and
the comfort level of my wife...I'd have dropped down below.  As it turns
out, if I had removed the cable or pulled the pin in the pedestal I probably
would have had control again.  I guess the thing is that, I had ot done
anything with the steering sytem so I was not at all familiar with it...I
should have known better.

 

I just hope my wife forg

Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure

[Gary Nylander]

I don't know how others handle situations like this, but I never leave the 
wheel without firming up the brake. I just don't want the rudder to do 
anything, period

Gary
  - Original Message - 
  From: djhaug...@juno.com 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 8:32 AM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure


  Okay so,  Here is what I think may have happened.  I think, when I let go of 
the wheel to help furl the headsail, the rudder swung hard to port and went 
right past the stop.   This allowed the chain to roll right off the sprocket.   
When I was playing around with trying to get it back, I got the chain to cable 
fitting to go back over the steering shaft and the stop spindle on the rudder 
post wheel to slip back by the stop on the bulkhead.  What good is a stop if it 
doesn't stop anything?  Anyway I guess I should have engaged the break or tied 
off the wheel before I let it go.  

  I'm going to head down tonight and try and remove the cable and chain to 
order a new one.  I'm also going to get in the water and have a look at the 
prop and shaft as there is some mysterious vibration happening now...I wonder 
if the rudder managed to swing so far as to have bent the brand new $500.00 
shaft I just installed...  Or maybe it bent the strut...

  The wife is pretty disgusted in the whole ordeal.  she feels we wasted and 
entire summer working on this boat only to have this happen and we're not done 
working on it and we can't go sailing because we need to make ANOTHER repair 
and waste more great weather working on the boat.   I think she has also lost 
confidence in the boat...  I tried to take all the blame myself saying we 
didn't do enough shake down sailing and that it was my fault for letting go of 
the wheel and allowing the rudder to swing...  Her take is that we should be 
able to let go of the wheel in a troubled situation and not worry about 
becoming disabled...I tend to agree.  As much as we both like the wheel I'm 
considering going back to the tiller...or I need to beef up the stops or find a 
better solution to prevent this from happening again.  I think, knowing what I 
know now, I will be more careful about tying the wheel off.  Or...I don't 
know,...  it is hard to believe this has never happened before...

  Any insights are always appreciated...  Don't worry about hurting my delicate 
sensibilities...  LOL

  I have to try and get the boat back in the wife's good graces or I could 
really end up in a Catalina

  Danny




  -- Original Message --
  From: Martin DeYoung 
  To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
  Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:34:53 +



  Friends don't let friends buy Catalina's, Hunter's, or Bayliner's. 



  MartinCalypso

  1971 C&C 43

  Seattle


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Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com
  Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:56 AM
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure



  I hear ya, Russ...  I'm not letting beat though...came close and the wife is 
saying..."Now I know why people buy the brand new Catalina..."  e



  you could have 2 or 3 catalinas for the price of the Sabre that I covet!



  If it hadn't been for the rough seas, the fast response of Tow BoatUS and the 
comfort level of my wife...I'd have dropped down below.  As it turns out, if I 
had removed the cable or pulled the pin in the pedestal I probably would have 
had control again.  I guess the thing is that, I had ot done anything with the 
steering sytem so I was not at all familiar with it...I should have known 
better.



  I just hope my wife forgives the Viking pretty quickly or she'll be pushing 
even harder for the Catlina...At least she isn't get out of boating all 
together!  if worse comes to worse a catlina is better than no boat at all!!!  
LOL



  You can't beat the speed though...we were hitting 9 knots with the currents 
with just the head sail before all hell broke loose!  lets see a catlina do 
that!  LOL



  Danny



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Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure

[HONEYSAIL]

I was thinking the same, it is impossible for this to happen when in  
forward motion. More to the story???
 
 
In a message dated 9/12/2012 8:52:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
r...@sailpower.ca writes:

Danny. I don't understand how the rudder could have swung by the stop if  
the boat was moving forward. 

Rich 

On 2012-09-12, at 12:32, "_djhaughey@juno.com_ (mailto:djhaug...@juno.com) 
" <_djhaughey@juno.com_ (mailto:djhaug...@juno.com) >  wrote:




Okay so,  Here is what I think may have happened.  I think,  when I let go 
of the wheel to help furl the headsail, the rudder swung hard to  port and 
went right past the stop.   This allowed the chain to  roll right off the 
sprocket.   When I was playing around with trying  to get it back, I got the 
chain to cable fitting to go back over the steering  shaft and the stop 
spindle on the rudder post wheel to slip back by  the stop on the bulkhead.  
What 
good is a stop if it doesn't stop  anything?  Anyway I guess I should have 
engaged the break or tied off the  wheel before I let it go.  
 
I'm going to head down tonight and try and remove the cable and chain to  
order a new one.  I'm also going to get in the water and have a look at  the 
prop and shaft as there is some mysterious vibration happening now...I  
wonder if the rudder managed to swing so far as to have bent the brand new  
$500.00 shaft I just installed...  Or maybe it bent the strut...
 
The wife is pretty disgusted in the whole ordeal.  she feels we  wasted and 
entire summer working on this boat only to have this happen and  we're not 
done working on it and we can't go sailing because we need to make  ANOTHER 
repair and waste more great weather working on the boat.   I  think she has 
also lost confidence in the boat...  I tried to take all  the blame myself 
saying we didn't do enough shake down sailing and that it was  my fault for 
letting go of the wheel and allowing the rudder to swing...  Her take is that 
we should be able to let go of the wheel in a troubled  situation and not 
worry about becoming disabled...I tend to agree.  As  much as we both like 
the wheel I'm considering going back to the tiller...or I  need to beef up the 
stops or find a better solution to prevent this from  happening again.  I 
think, knowing what I know now, I will be more  careful about tying the wheel 
off.  Or...I don't know,...  it is  hard to believe this has never happened 
before...
 
Any insights are always appreciated...  Don't worry about hurting my  
delicate sensibilities...  LOL
 
I have to try and get the boat back in the wife's good graces or I could  re
ally end up in a Catalina
 
Danny
 
 


-- Original Message --
From: Martin DeYoung  <_mdeyoung@deyoungmfg.com_ 
(mailto:mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com) >
To:  "_cnc-list@cnc-list.com_ (mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com) " 
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Subject:  Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012  17:34:53 +


Friends don’t let  friends buy Catalina’s, Hunter’s, or Bayliner’s.  
 
MartinCalypso 
1971 C&C  43 
Seattle
 
  

 
From: _cnc-list-bounces@cnc-list.com_ 
(mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com)   [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] 
On Behalf Of _djhaughey@juno.com_ 
(mailto:djhaug...@juno.com) 
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012  5:56 AM
To: _cnc-list@cnc-list.com_ (mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com) 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain  and wire pedestal failure
 
I hear ya, Russ...  I'm not letting beat  though...came close and the wife 
is saying..."Now I know why people buy the  brand new Catalina..."  e
 

 
you could have 2 or 3 catalinas for the price of the  Sabre that I covet!
 

 
If it hadn't been for the rough seas, the fast  response of Tow BoatUS and 
the comfort level of my wife...I'd have dropped  down below.  As it turns 
out, if I had removed the cable or pulled the  pin in the pedestal I probably 
would have had control again.  I guess the  thing is that, I had ot done 
anything with the steering sytem so I was not at  all familiar with it...I 
should have known better.
 

 
I just hope my wife forgives the Viking pretty quickly  or she'll be 
pushing even harder for the Catlina...At least she isn't get out  of boating 
all 
together!  if worse comes to worse a catlina is better  than no boat at 
all!!!  LOL
 

 
You can't beat the speed though...we were hitting 9  knots with the 
currents with just the head sail before all hell broke loose!  lets see a 
catlina 
do that!  LOL
 

 
Danny



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Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure

[djhaug...@juno.com]

Well, we were moving forward on a beam reach,   I eased the sheet and began 
furling.  When I was done furling I returned the helm, grabbed the wheel put 
the engine in reverse, as I need to do that to open the blades of the prop, and 
then into forward,  The boat turned to port and when I tried to straighten out 
she was stuck, then I gave a good pull and the wheel was stuck at first, then 
start spinning with no effect on the rudder.  That is my perspective, what else 
happened, I don't know...

-- Original Message --
From: honeys...@aol.com
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:55:35 -0400 (EDT)


I was thinking the same, it is impossible for this to happen when in forward 
motion. More to the story??? In a message dated 9/12/2012 8:52:01 A.M. Eastern 
Daylight Time, r...@sailpower.ca writes:Danny. I don't understand how the 
rudder could have swung by the stop if the boat was moving forward. 

Rich 
On 2012-09-12, at 12:32, "djhaug...@juno.com"  wrote:

 Okay so,  Here is what I think may have happened.  I think, when I let go of 
the wheel to help furl the headsail, the rudder swung hard to port and went 
right past the stop.   This allowed the chain to roll right off the sprocket.   
When I was playing around with trying to get it back, I got the chain to cable 
fitting to go back over the steering shaft and the stop spindle on the rudder 
post wheel to slip back by the stop on the bulkhead.  What good is a stop if it 
doesn't stop anything?  Anyway I guess I should have engaged the break or tied 
off the wheel before I let it go.   I'm going to head down tonight and try and 
remove the cable and chain to order a new one.  I'm also going to get in the 
water and have a look at the prop and shaft as there is some mysterious 
vibration happening now...I wonder if the rudder managed to swing so far as to 
have bent the brand new $500.00 shaft I just installed...  Or maybe it bent the 
strut... The wife is pretty disgusted in the whole ordeal.  she feels we wasted 
and entire summer working on this boat only to have this happen and we're not 
done working on it and we can't go sailing because we need to make ANOTHER 
repair and waste more great weather working on the boat.   I think she has also 
lost confidence in the boat...  I tried to take all the blame myself saying we 
didn't do enough shake down sailing and that it was my fault for letting go of 
the wheel and allowing the rudder to swing...  Her take is that we should be 
able to let go of the wheel in a troubled situation and not worry about 
becoming disabled...I tend to agree.  As much as we both like the wheel I'm 
considering going back to the tiller...or I need to beef up the stops or find a 
better solution to prevent this from happening again.  I think, knowing what I 
know now, I will be more careful about tying the wheel off.  Or...I don't 
know,...  it is hard to believe this has never happened before... Any insights 
are always appreciated...  Don't worry about hurting my delicate 
sensibilities...  LOL I have to try and get the boat back in the wife's good 
graces or I could really end up in a Catalina Danny  

-- Original Message --
From: Martin DeYoung 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:34:53 +

 
Friends don’t let friends buy Catalina’s, Hunter’s, or 
Bayliner’s. 
 
MartinCalypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle
From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:56 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
 
I hear ya, Russ...  I'm not letting beat though...came close and the wife is 
saying..."Now I know why people buy the brand new Catalina..."  e
 
you could have 2 or 3 catalinas for the price of the Sabre that I covet!
 
If it hadn't been for the rough seas, the fast response of Tow BoatUS and the 
comfort level of my wife...I'd have dropped down below.  As it turns out, if I 
had removed the cable or pulled the pin in the pedestal I probably would have 
had control again.  I guess the thing is that, I had ot done anything with the 
steering sytem so I was not at all familiar with it...I should have known 
better.
 
I just hope my wife forgives the Viking pretty quickly or she'll be pushing 
even harder for the Catlina...At least she isn't get out of boating all 
together!  if worse comes to worse a catlina is better than no boat at all!!!  
LOL
 
You can't beat the speed though...we were hitting 9 knots with the currents 
with just the head sail before all hell broke loose!  lets see a catlina do 
that!  LOL
 
Danny
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Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure

[djhaug...@juno.com]

This is great stuff!!

-- Original Message --
From: "Della Barba, Joe" 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:52:10 -0400

Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure

[Joel Aronson]

Danny
As my ex will tell you I know even less about women than I know about boats
but you might consider offering to have the boat re surveyed to assure her
it is seaworthy.

Joel Aronson


On Sep 12, 2012, at 9:22 AM, "djhaug...@juno.com" 
wrote:

This is great stuff!!

-- Original Message --
From: "Della Barba, Joe" 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:52:10 -0400

The stops on my boat work well and prevent exactly the kind of thing that
happened to you.

As for your wife..not sure I have a fix for that that doesn’t
involve a lot of money.

If it makes you feel any better, my wife has over the years put up with  -
sometimes with good humor and sometimes not –

A failed fuel pump that I fixed with an outboard squeeze bulb. She had to
squeeze the whole way home or steer while I squeezed. SQUEEZE HARDER DON’T
LET IT GO SOFT was yelled frequently to encourage maintenance of fuel
pressure J

An engine that died on the last day of our cruise about 10 yards from the
mooring. This then entailed putting the engine in the dinghy, dragging it
up on the dock, and using a tree to hoist it into her car. Everything was
going great until the A4- lacking a front oil seal – dumped a quart of oil
in her car. This same cruise involved several days with a heat index around
108-110 and 100% humidity at night. We tried watching a movie at night in
the cockpit for more air and 1,000 moths landed on the TV.  And then the
engine was in the shop and my basement for 2 months getting fixed.

A fuel fill hose that popped a leak and dumped several gallons of gas into
the bilge.

A bilge pump that for some reason – after a decade of good service –
decided to siphon INTO the boat and caused my wife to step into almost
knee-deep water around 0200 when she got up to use the head.

More engine malfunctions than I can count until I finally gave the damn
thing away and got another one. My wife actually accused me of LIKING these
issues because one day I was dancing around yelling “I AM A GOD OF ENGINES”
after a successful MacGyver fix of some ignition malfunction.



Even brand new boats have all kinds of issues. Anyone who buys a used boat
or airplane has a year or two of getting everything fixed and even then it
is always an adventure. A lot of cash will get you a new boat, but it isn’t
easy to fix the expectation that old boats (and airplanes and antique cars
and 1960s British motorcycles) will run like a Honda Civic.



Cruising- (cruzing) Verb. The act of doing boat repairs in exotic locations



*Joe Della Barba*

Coquina

C&C 35 MK I



*From:* cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
*On Behalf Of *djhaug...@juno.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 12, 2012 8:32 AM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure



Okay so,  Here is what I think may have happened.  I think, when I let go
of the wheel to help furl the headsail, the rudder swung hard to port
and went right past the stop.   This allowed the chain to roll right off
the sprocket.   When I was playing around with trying to get it back, I got
the chain to cable fitting to go back over the steering shaft and the stop
spindle on the rudder post wheel to slip back by the stop on the bulkhead.
 What good is a stop if it doesn't stop anything?  Anyway I guess I should
have engaged the break or tied off the wheel before I let it go.



I'm going to head down tonight and try and remove the cable and chain to
order a new one.  I'm also going to get in the water and have a look at the
prop and shaft as there is some mysterious vibration happening now...I
wonder if the rudder managed to swing so far as to have bent the brand new
$500.00 shaft I just installed...  Or maybe it bent the strut...



The wife is pretty disgusted in the whole ordeal.  she feels we wasted and
entire summer working on this boat only to have this happen and we're not
done working on it and we can't go sailing because we need to make ANOTHER
repair and waste more great weather working on the boat.   I think she has
also lost confidence in the boat...  I tried to take all the blame myself
saying we didn't do enough shake down sailing and that it was my fault for
letting go of the wheel and allowing the rudder to swing...  Her take is
that we should be able to let go of the wheel in a troubled situation and
not worry about becoming disabled...I tend to agree.  As much as we both
like the wheel I'm considering going back to the tiller...or I need to beef
up the stops or find a better solution to prevent this from happening
again.  I think, knowing what I know now, I will be more careful about
tying the wheel off.  Or...I don't know,...  it is hard to believe this has
never happened before...



Any insights are always appreciated...  Don't worry about hurting my
delicate sensibilities...  LOL



I have to try and get the boat back in the wife's

Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure

[djhaug...@juno.com]

Everything under there looks perfect.  As I was looking down into the pedestal, 
with a flashlight,  I could see one side of the chain straight down and the 
starboard side chin seemed to disappear toward midshipsI'm thinking that is 
hanging up inside the pedestal...

-- Original Message --
From: dwight veinot 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 09:53:18 -0300

Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure

[djhaug...@juno.com]

this will be my practice form now on, let me tell you...  I did stress this 
point to the wife as well...

-- Original Message --
From: "Gary Nylander" 
To: 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:53:43 -0400


I don't know how others handle situations like this, but I never leave the 
wheel without firming up the brake. I just don't want the rudder to do 
anything, period Gary- Original Message -From: 
djhaughey@juno.comTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comSent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 
8:32 AMSubject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure Okay so,  
Here is what I think may have happened.  I think, when I let go of the wheel to 
help furl the headsail, the rudder swung hard to port and went right past the 
stop.   This allowed the chain to roll right off the sprocket.   When I was 
playing around with trying to get it back, I got the chain to cable fitting to 
go back over the steering shaft and the stop spindle on the rudder post wheel 
to slip back by the stop on the bulkhead.  What good is a stop if it doesn't 
stop anything?  Anyway I guess I should have engaged the break or tied off the 
wheel before I let it go.   I'm going to head down tonight and try and remove 
the cable and chain to order a new one.  I'm also going to get in the water and 
have a look at the prop and shaft as there is some mysterious vibration 
happening now...I wonder if the rudder managed to swing so far as to have bent 
the brand new $500.00 shaft I just installed...  Or maybe it bent the strut... 
The wife is pretty disgusted in the whole ordeal.  she feels we wasted and 
entire summer working on this boat only to have this happen and we're not done 
working on it and we can't go sailing because we need to make ANOTHER repair 
and waste more great weather working on the boat.   I think she has also lost 
confidence in the boat...  I tried to take all the blame myself saying we 
didn't do enough shake down sailing and that it was my fault for letting go of 
the wheel and allowing the rudder to swing...  Her take is that we should be 
able to let go of the wheel in a troubled situation and not worry about 
becoming disabled...I tend to agree.  As much as we both like the wheel I'm 
considering going back to the tiller...or I need to beef up the stops or find a 
better solution to prevent this from happening again.  I think, knowing what I 
know now, I will be more careful about tying the wheel off.  Or...I don't 
know,...  it is hard to believe this has never happened before... Any insights 
are always appreciated...  Don't worry about hurting my delicate 
sensibilities...  LOL I have to try and get the boat back in the wife's good 
graces or I could really end up in a Catalina Danny  

-- Original Message --
From: Martin DeYoung 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:34:53 +

 

Re: Stus-List Yanmar question

[jim aridas]

"FORE"

From: f...@postaudio.net
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:55:01 -0500
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Yanmar question

Probably came off one of those cruise ships with a practice tee on the stern...

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(


On Sep 11, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Martin DeYoung wrote:










On a 1980 C&C 36 with a Yanmar engine I experienced a cooling water blockage 
underway (bound for
Seattle from the San Juan Islands).  After checking the usual suspects and not 
finding anything amiss I focused on the raw water intake.  When I pulled the 
raw water inlet to strainer hose a golf
 tee shot out of the fitting.  A frick’n golf tee got sucked up and stuck fat 
end down to effectively block the flow.

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Re: Stus-List Fuel cap

[Dennis C.]

Alan,

Can't find RC Marine anywhere.  I see Perko, Suncor, Scandvik, Whitecap, 
Attwood and Orcas Marine but no RC Marine.

Perhaps you'll have to change the whole fitting??

Dennis C.




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> From: Alan Bergen 
>To: C&C Photoalbum email list  
>Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 12:36 AM
>Subject: Stus-List Fuel cap
> 
>
>I need an RC Marine fuel cap for my boat.  I've tried three different caps, 
>but none of them fit.  anyone have a source for one?
>
>
>Alan Bergen
>C&C 35 Mk III Thirsty
>Rose City YC
>Portland, OR
>
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Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure

[Rich Knowles]

Why do you need to put the engine in reverse to open the prop?  The blades open 
easier and faster when you simply rev to the point centrifugal action opens the 
blades and they bite and open fully, provided the speed of the boat is slower 
than what it would be under power. 

This still does not explain the chain jumping off the sprocket. I suggest 
taking a close look again at the entire cable path. Also check that the bolts 
holding the binnacle in place are all intact. A few years back on a heavy air 
reach I had the two aft bolts securing it to the cockpit
 break allowing the binnacle to tilt forward and the cable to loosen 
significantly. 

Rich 

On 2012-09-12, at 13:21, "djhaug...@juno.com"  wrote:

Well, we were moving forward on a beam reach,   I eased the sheet and began 
furling.  When I was done furling I returned the helm, grabbed the wheel put 
the engine in reverse, as I need to do that to open the blades of the prop, and 
then into forward,  The boat turned to port and when I tried to straighten out 
she was stuck, then I gave a good pull and the wheel was stuck at first, then 
start spinning with no effect on the rudder.  That is my perspective, what else 
happened, I don't know...

-- Original Message --
From: honeys...@aol.com
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:55:35 -0400 (EDT)

I was thinking the same, it is impossible for this to happen when in forward 
motion. More to the story???
 
In a message dated 9/12/2012 8:52:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
r...@sailpower.ca writes:
Danny. I don't understand how the rudder could have swung by the stop if the 
boat was moving forward. 

Rich 

On 2012-09-12, at 12:32, "djhaug...@juno.com"  wrote:

 
Okay so,  Here is what I think may have happened.  I think, when I let go of 
the wheel to help furl the headsail, the rudder swung hard to port and went 
right past the stop.   This allowed the chain to roll right off the sprocket.   
When I was playing around with trying to get it back, I got the chain to cable 
fitting to go back over the steering shaft and the stop spindle on the rudder 
post wheel to slip back by the stop on the bulkhead.  What good is a stop if it 
doesn't stop anything?  Anyway I guess I should have engaged the break or tied 
off the wheel before I let it go.  
 
I'm going to head down tonight and try and remove the cable and chain to order 
a new one.  I'm also going to get in the water and have a look at the prop and 
shaft as there is some mysterious vibration happening now...I wonder if the 
rudder managed to swing so far as to have bent the brand new $500.00 shaft I 
just installed...  Or maybe it bent the strut...
 
The wife is pretty disgusted in the whole ordeal.  she feels we wasted and 
entire summer working on this boat only to have this happen and we're not done 
working on it and we can't go sailing because we need to make ANOTHER repair 
and waste more great weather working on the boat.   I think she has also lost 
confidence in the boat...  I tried to take all the blame myself saying we 
didn't do enough shake down sailing and that it was my fault for letting go of 
the wheel and allowing the rudder to swing...  Her take is that we should be 
able to let go of the wheel in a troubled situation and not worry about 
becoming disabled...I tend to agree.  As much as we both like the wheel I'm 
considering going back to the tiller...or I need to beef up the stops or find a 
better solution to prevent this from happening again.  I think, knowing what I 
know now, I will be more careful about tying the wheel off.  Or...I don't 
know,...  it is hard to believe this has never happened before...
 
Any insights are always appreciated...  Don't worry about hurting my delicate 
sensibilities...  LOL
 
I have to try and get the boat back in the wife's good graces or I could really 
end up in a Catalina
 
Danny
 
 


-- Original Message --
From: Martin DeYoung 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:34:53 +

 

Friends don’t let friends buy Catalina’s, Hunter’s, or Bayliner’s.

 

MartinCalypso

1971 C&C 43

Seattle

From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:56 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure

 

I hear ya, Russ...  I'm not letting beat though...came close and the wife is 
saying..."Now I know why people buy the brand new Catalina..."  e

 

you could have 2 or 3 catalinas for the price of the Sabre that I covet!

 

If it hadn't been for the rough seas, the fast response of Tow BoatUS and the 
comfort level of my wife...I'd have dropped down below.  As it turns out, if I 
had removed the cable or pulled the pin in the pedestal I probably would have 
had control again.  I 

Stus-List Seeking Mooring/Slip between City Island and Point Judith

[bob]

My partner, Beverly Genader, and I are new to your forum.  We are not new to 
C&Cs, our current one being my fifth.  We hope to meet you at the Mystic event. 

We are considering moving our boat from Lake Ontario to Long Island Sound.  
Great sailing on the lake but with it being two feet lower than normal our 
season is over. 

We are looking for a reasonably-priced mooring or slip between City Island and 
Point Judith that would handle our 6.5 foot draft.  Probably closer to Mystic 
since Beverly lives in Stonington and has sailed out of Mystic for a number of 
years. 

We appreciate any suggestions. 


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Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure

[Rich Knowles]

Danny, have you been in the bilge to closely look at the entire steering

Rich 

On 2012-09-12, at 13:24, "djhaug...@juno.com"  wrote:

Everything under there looks perfect.  As I was looking down into the pedestal, 
with a flashlight,  I could see one side of the chain straight down and the 
starboard side chin seemed to disappear toward midshipsI'm thinking that is 
hanging up inside the pedestal...

-- Original Message --
From: dwight veinot 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 09:53:18 -0300

 

Danny

The axles in the pulleys for the steering cable below deck are built to fail 
when stressed hard as when the rudder goes over hard…I know this from 
experience with my Edson system on my 35 MKII…the axles in the pulleys on my 
boat have a small circumferential cut that creates the weakest link which I 
believe was intentional in the design…nonetheless the stop could also have been 
dislodged but if the rudder went hard and fast all the way to the stop I would 
suggest you check to make sure the axles in the below deck pulleys are still 
good..I broke one axle but with some difficulty I was still able to steer the 
boat…that’s when I discovered that using the emergency tiller on a 35 MKII is 
not easy and requires removing the wheel…I was trying the reverse power of my 
H5 Autoprop propeller for the first time not realizing how much more power it 
had than my old 2 blade folding Martec prop and the boat developed such quick 
speed the wheel slipped right through my wife’s hands spinning her sideways and 
causing her to crack her elbow pretty hard on the cockpit coaming…painful and 
bruised but thankfully no breaks and she was a good sport about it…I 
manufactured and installed a new axle in the pulley, adjusted the tension on 
the cable and have been going OK ever since that happened about 7 years ago

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com
Sent: September 12, 2012 9:32 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure

 

Okay so,  Here is what I think may have happened.  I think, when I let go of 
the wheel to help furl the headsail, the rudder swung hard to port and went 
right past the stop.   This allowed the chain to roll right off the sprocket.   
When I was playing around with trying to get it back, I got the chain to cable 
fitting to go back over the steering shaft and the stop spindle on the rudder 
post wheel to slip back by the stop on the bulkhead.  What good is a stop if it 
doesn't stop anything?  Anyway I guess I should have engaged the break or tied 
off the wheel before I let it go.  

 

I'm going to head down tonight and try and remove the cable and chain to order 
a new one.  I'm also going to get in the water and have a look at the prop and 
shaft as there is some mysterious vibration happening now...I wonder if the 
rudder managed to swing so far as to have bent the brand new $500.00 shaft I 
just installed...  Or maybe it bent the strut...

 

The wife is pretty disgusted in the whole ordeal.  she feels we wasted and 
entire summer working on this boat only to have this happen and we're not done 
working on it and we can't go sailing because we need to make ANOTHER repair 
and waste more great weather working on the boat.   I think she has also lost 
confidence in the boat...  I tried to take all the blame myself saying we 
didn't do enough shake down sailing and that it was my fault for letting go of 
the wheel and allowing the rudder to swing...  Her take is that we should be 
able to let go of the wheel in a troubled situation and not worry about 
becoming disabled...I tend to agree.  As much as we both like the wheel I'm 
considering going back to the tiller...or I need to beef up the stops or find a 
better solution to prevent this from happening again.  I think, knowing what I 
know now, I will be more careful about tying the wheel off.  Or...I don't 
know,...  it is hard to believe this has never happened before...

 

Any insights are always appreciated...  Don't worry about hurting my delicate 
sensibilities...  LOL

 

I have to try and get the boat back in the wife's good graces or I could really 
end up in a Catalina

 

Danny

 

 



-- Original Message --
From: Martin DeYoung 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:34:53 +

Friends don’t let friends buy Catalina’s, Hunter’s, or Bayliner’s.

 

MartinCalypso

1971 C&C 43

Seattle

From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:56 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure

 

I hear ya, Russ...  I'm not let

Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure

[djhaug...@juno.com]

This isn't a bad idea either...maybe get an updated value for insurance as well.

-- Original Message --
From: Joel Aronson 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 09:25:59 -0400


DannyAs my ex will tell you I know even less about women than I know about 
boats but you might consider offering to have the boat re surveyed to assure 
her it is seaworthy.�
 
Joel Aronson 
On Sep 12, 2012, at 9:22 AM, "djhaug...@juno.com"  wrote:
  This is great stuff!!

-- Original Message --
From: "Della Barba, Joe" 
 To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:52:10 -0400

 
The stops on my boat work well and prevent exactly the kind of thing that 
happened to you.
As for your 
wife..not sure 
I have a fix for that that doesn�t involve a lot of money.
If it makes you feel any better, my wife has over the years put up with� 
- sometimes with good humor and sometimes not �
A failed fuel pump that I fixed with an outboard squeeze bulb. She had to 
squeeze the whole way home or steer while I squeezed. SQUEEZE HARDER 
DON�T LET IT GO SOFT was yelled frequently to encourage maintenance of 
fuel pressure J
An engine that died on the last day of our cruise about 10 yards from the 
mooring. This then entailed putting the engine in the dinghy, dragging it up on 
the dock, and using a tree to hoist it into her car. Everything was going great 
until the A4- lacking a front oil seal � dumped a quart of oil in her 
car. This same cruise involved several days with a heat index around 108-110 
and 100% humidity at night. We tried watching a movie at night in the cockpit 
for more air and 1,000 moths landed on the TV.� And then the engine was 
in the shop and my basement for 2 months getting fixed.
A fuel fill hose that popped a leak and dumped several gallons of gas into the 
bilge.
A bilge pump that for some reason � after a decade of good service 
� decided to siphon INTO the boat and caused my wife to step into almost 
knee-deep water around 0200 when she got up to use the head.
More engine malfunctions than I can count until I finally gave the damn thing 
away and got another one. My wife actually accused me of LIKING these issues 
because one day I was dancing around yelling �I AM A GOD OF 
ENGINES� after a successful MacGyver fix of some ignition malfunction. 
�
Even brand new boats have all kinds of issues. Anyone who buys a used boat or 
airplane has a year or two of getting everything fixed and even then it is 
always an adventure. A lot of cash will get you a new boat, but it isn�t 
easy to fix the expectation that old boats (and airplanes and antique cars and 
1960s British motorcycles) will run like a Honda Civic.
�
Cruising- (cruzing) Verb. The act of doing boat repairs in exotic locations
�
Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
�
From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 8:32 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
�
Okay so, �Here is what I think may have happened. �I think, when 
I let go of the wheel to help furl the headsail, the rudder swung hard to port 
and�went�right past the stop. � This allowed the chain to 
roll right off the�sprocket. � When I was playing around with 
trying to get it back, I got the chain to cable fitting to go back over the 
steering shaft and the stop spindle on the rudder post wheel 
to�slip�back by the stop on the bulkhead. �What good is a 
stop if it doesn't stop anything? �Anyway I guess I should have engaged 
the break or tied off the wheel before I let it go. �
�
I'm going to head down tonight and try and remove the cable and chain to order 
a new one. �I'm also going to get in the water and have a look at the 
prop and shaft as there is some mysterious vibration happening now...I wonder 
if the rudder managed to swing so far as to have bent the brand new $500.00 
shaft I just installed... �Or maybe it bent the strut...
�
The wife is pretty disgusted in the whole ordeal. �she feels we wasted 
and entire summer working on this boat only to have this happen and we're not 
done working on it and we can't go sailing because we need to make ANOTHER 
repair and waste more great weather working on the boat. � I think she 
has also lost confidence in the boat... �I tried to take all the blame 
myself saying we didn't do enough shake down sailing and that it was my fault 
for letting go of the wheel and allowing the rudder to swing... �Her 
take is that we should be able to let go of the wheel in a troubled situation 
and not worry about becoming disabled...I tend to agree. �As much as we 
both like the wheel I'm considering going back to the tiller...or I need to 
beef up the stops or find a better solution to prevent this from happening 
again. �I think, knowing 

Re: Stus-List Reverse Flow on Transom Bilge Outflow

[dreuge]

Hi,

A loop is a good idea, a vented loop even better, but a cost effective solution 
would be to install a simple check valve.  If it is installed down near an 
automatic pump, then you have the added benefit of the valve keeping the hose 
water from filling back into the bilge after the pump shuts off.

I have also seen boats which use only one hose for both electric bilge pumps 
and deck mounted hand bilge pumps (like the Whale Gusher 10).   That is, the 
electric bilge pump hose is routed to the hand pump and then out .  This set up 
is nice as the hand pump acts like a check valve allowing water to flow only 
out, and it uses only one through hole.  


-
Paul E.
s/v Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL

On Sep 12, 2012, at 8:53 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:

>> WE had a race years ago, where we sucked water into the manual bilge pump
>> going 10+ kts downwind under the kite.  Had to run the electric and hand
>> pump to get the water to go back out again, made me think that you might
>> need one of those vacuum breaks in the bilge pump outflow.  Any lister
>> tried those?
>> 
>> ALEX GIANNELIA

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Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure

[djhaug...@juno.com]

I have been down there but I'm going down again this afternoon.  Everything 
seems tight and normal from that perspective.  I'll get the chain back on today 
and probably have a look at the prop from the water...  It I nice day for a 
swim here today!!

-- Original Message --
From: Rich Knowles 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 09:55:50 -0400


Danny, have you been in the bilge to closely look at the entire steering

Rich 
On 2012-09-12, at 13:24, "djhaug...@juno.com"  wrote:

 Everything under there looks perfect.  As I was looking down into the 
pedestal, with a flashlight,  I could see one side of the chain straight down 
and the starboard side chin seemed to disappear toward midshipsI'm thinking 
that is hanging up inside the pedestal...

-- Original Message --
From: dwight veinot 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 09:53:18 -0300

 

Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure

[djhaug...@juno.com]

I have and all looked normal...I'm heading down this afternoon for another look 
and a dive.  It is a really nice day near 80 today so, its a good day for a 
swim!

-- Original Message --
From: Rich Knowles 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 09:55:50 -0400


Danny, have you been in the bilge to closely look at the entire steering

Rich 
On 2012-09-12, at 13:24, "djhaug...@juno.com"  wrote:

 Everything under there looks perfect.  As I was looking down into the 
pedestal, with a flashlight,  I could see one side of the chain straight down 
and the starboard side chin seemed to disappear toward midshipsI'm thinking 
that is hanging up inside the pedestal...

-- Original Message --
From: dwight veinot 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 09:53:18 -0300

 

Re: Stus-List ST4000 wheel drive problem

[wwadjo...@aol.com]

Had same problem this summer. Culprit are 1/16 inch diameter roller pins.  
Can't remember length. Ace hardware carried them. Also Fastenal stores carry.  
Hope yhis helps. 
Bill Walker
36
Evening Star. 

- Reply message -
From: "Tortuga" 
To: 
Subject: Stus-List ST4000 wheel drive problem
Date: Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:52 am
During our last sail, the wheel drive for the Autohelm
ST4000 on our 1979 30 mk1 stopped engaging. When I moved the drive lever into 
the
engage position it seemed to not catch, although it stayed in position. The
unit was clicking away but the wheel was not engaged.


I put a note on the Raymarine tech forum, asking whether
I should take the wheel drive apart. I received a reply, asking “What color is 
the wheel drive, Black or Gray?”
I replied that I thought it was black faded to dark gray.


I received
another reply, "There is no adjustment on black wheel drives, and
unfortunately no parts available any longer as well.  Sometimes with those
symptoms, changing the belt might help, again there are no parts available but
there is a company…"


I took the
wheel drive apart and found that the cam mechanism was rotating on the shaft 
connecting
it to the drive lever Once there were 2 pins which passed through the cam and
the shaft to prevent the cam from free-rotating. They had been worn down or
snapped off. The remains were still lodged in the shaft. 


As a
temporary fix, I cut 2 thin brads to length and shoved them through the cam and
shaft, then placed them both back into the drive wheel assembly, jammed the
wheel drive back together and put the drive lever back on. 


I haven’t
had a chance yet to try it out because of the winds and rain from Leslie.  


I have
contacted CMC Electronics to ask about a replacement drive eccentric assembly. I
was told someone there will call me back. 


My apologies if this has been discussed too many times before. Is it a
common problem? What are my chances of finding a replacement assembly? 


Thanks

Derek Kennedy
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Re: Stus-List ST4000 wheel drive problem

[Pete Shelquist]

I had that issue with mine and made the same repair.  It worked until other
parts started to fail, which were not commercially available either and I
had to build.  I ended up replacing the ST4000 with under-deck model.  It
took a bit of work, but is a 1000x better.

 

 

 

From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
On Behalf Of Tortuga
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:53 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List ST4000 wheel drive problem

 

During our last sail, the wheel drive for the Autohelm ST4000 on our 1979 30
mk1 stopped engaging. When I moved the drive lever into the engage position
it seemed to not catch, although it stayed in position. The unit was
clicking away but the wheel was not engaged.

 

I put a note on the Raymarine tech forum, asking whether I should take the
wheel drive apart. I received a reply, asking "What color is the wheel
drive, Black or Gray?" I replied that I thought it was black faded to dark
gray.

 

I received another reply, "There is no adjustment on black wheel drives, and
unfortunately no parts available any longer as well.  Sometimes with those
symptoms, changing the belt might help, again there are no parts available
but there is a company."

 

I took the wheel drive apart and found that the cam mechanism was rotating
on the shaft connecting it to the drive lever Once there were 2 pins which
passed through the cam and the shaft to prevent the cam from free-rotating.
They had been worn down or snapped off. The remains were still lodged in the
shaft. 

 

As a temporary fix, I cut 2 thin brads to length and shoved them through the
cam and shaft, then placed them both back into the drive wheel assembly,
jammed the wheel drive back together and put the drive lever back on. 

 

I haven't had a chance yet to try it out because of the winds and rain from
Leslie.  

 

I have contacted CMC Electronics to ask about a replacement drive eccentric
assembly. I was told someone there will call me back. 

 

My apologies if this has been discussed too many times before. Is it a
common problem? What are my chances of finding a replacement assembly? 

 

Thanks

 

Derek Kennedy

C&C 30 mk 1

Ballantyne's Cove, NS

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Re: Stus-List ST4000 wheel drive problem

[Della Barba, Joe]

Electrically the new gray ones are the same – just a motor that runs one way or 
another ;)

Joe Della Barba

From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of wwadjo...@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 11:12 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List ST4000 wheel drive problem

Had same problem this summer. Culprit are 1/16 inch diameter roller pins.  
Can't remember length. Ace hardware carried them. Also Fastenal stores carry.  
Hope yhis helps.
Bill Walker
36
Evening Star.
- Reply message -
From: "Tortuga" mailto:tortugas...@gmail.com>>
To: mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Subject: Stus-List ST4000 wheel drive problem
Date: Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:52 am

During our last sail, the wheel drive for the Autohelm ST4000 on our 1979 30 
mk1 stopped engaging. When I moved the drive lever into the engage position it 
seemed to not catch, although it stayed in position. The unit was clicking away 
but the wheel was not engaged.

I put a note on the Raymarine tech forum, asking whether I should take the 
wheel drive apart. I received a reply, asking “What color is the wheel drive, 
Black or Gray?” I replied that I thought it was black faded to dark gray.

I received another reply, "There is no adjustment on black wheel drives, and 
unfortunately no parts available any longer as well.  Sometimes with those 
symptoms, changing the belt might help, again there are no parts available but 
there is a company…"

I took the wheel drive apart and found that the cam mechanism was rotating on 
the shaft connecting it to the drive lever Once there were 2 pins which passed 
through the cam and the shaft to prevent the cam from free-rotating. They had 
been worn down or snapped off. The remains were still lodged in the shaft.

As a temporary fix, I cut 2 thin brads to length and shoved them through the 
cam and shaft, then placed them both back into the drive wheel assembly, jammed 
the wheel drive back together and put the drive lever back on.

I haven’t had a chance yet to try it out because of the winds and rain from 
Leslie.

I have contacted CMC Electronics to ask about a replacement drive eccentric 
assembly. I was told someone there will call me back.

My apologies if this has been discussed too many times before. Is it a common 
problem? What are my chances of finding a replacement assembly?

Thanks

Derek Kennedy
C&C 30 mk 1
Ballantyne's Cove, NS
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Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure

[djhaug...@juno.com]

well, I have a fellow Viking 33 owner who has been sailing his Viking 33 since 
1983.  We have the identical engine and props on our boats.  It was his 
direction that I "must" goose the boat in reverse to open the prop and then 
shift into forward.  I must say, I have tried it without shifting into reverse 
and she vibrates like mad.  The reverse thing works well. I'll report back 
after today's inspection.

-- Original Message --
From: Rich Knowles 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 09:47:42 -0400


Why do you need to put the engine in reverse to open the prop?  The blades open 
easier and faster when you simply rev to the point centrifugal action opens the 
blades and they bite and open fully, provided the speed of the boat is slower 
than what it would be under power.  This still does not explain the chain 
jumping off the sprocket. I suggest taking a close look again at the entire 
cable path. Also check that the bolts holding the binnacle in place are all 
intact. A few years back on a heavy air reach I had the two aft bolts securing 
it to the cockpit break allowing the binnacle to tilt forward and the cable to 
loosen significantly. 
Rich 
On 2012-09-12, at 13:21, "djhaug...@juno.com"  wrote:

 Well, we were moving forward on a beam reach,   I eased the sheet and began 
furling.  When I was done furling I returned the helm, grabbed the wheel put 
the engine in reverse, as I need to do that to open the blades of the prop, and 
then into forward,  The boat turned to port and when I tried to straighten out 
she was stuck, then I gave a good pull and the wheel was stuck at first, then 
start spinning with no effect on the rudder.  That is my perspective, what else 
happened, I don't know...

-- Original Message --
From: honeys...@aol.com
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:55:35 -0400 (EDT)

 
I was thinking the same, it is impossible for this to happen when in forward 
motion. More to the story??? In a message dated 9/12/2012 8:52:01 A.M. Eastern 
Daylight Time, r...@sailpower.ca writes:Danny. I don't understand how the 
rudder could have swung by the stop if the boat was moving forward. 

Rich 
On 2012-09-12, at 12:32, "djhaug...@juno.com"  wrote:

 Okay so,  Here is what I think may have happened.  I think, when I let go of 
the wheel to help furl the headsail, the rudder swung hard to port and went 
right past the stop.   This allowed the chain to roll right off the sprocket.   
When I was playing around with trying to get it back, I got the chain to cable 
fitting to go back over the steering shaft and the stop spindle on the rudder 
post wheel to slip back by the stop on the bulkhead.  What good is a stop if it 
doesn't stop anything?  Anyway I guess I should have engaged the break or tied 
off the wheel before I let it go.   I'm going to head down tonight and try and 
remove the cable and chain to order a new one.  I'm also going to get in the 
water and have a look at the prop and shaft as there is some mysterious 
vibration happening now...I wonder if the rudder managed to swing so far as to 
have bent the brand new $500.00 shaft I just installed...  Or maybe it bent the 
strut... The wife is pretty disgusted in the whole ordeal.  she feels we wasted 
and entire summer working on this boat only to have this happen and we're not 
done working on it and we can't go sailing because we need to make ANOTHER 
repair and waste more great weather working on the boat.   I think she has also 
lost confidence in the boat...  I tried to take all the blame myself saying we 
didn't do enough shake down sailing and that it was my fault for letting go of 
the wheel and allowing the rudder to swing...  Her take is that we should be 
able to let go of the wheel in a troubled situation and not worry about 
becoming disabled...I tend to agree.  As much as we both like the wheel I'm 
considering going back to the tiller...or I need to beef up the stops or find a 
better solution to prevent this from happening again.  I think, knowing what I 
know now, I will be more careful about tying the wheel off.  Or...I don't 
know,...  it is hard to believe this has never happened before... Any insights 
are always appreciated...  Don't worry about hurting my delicate 
sensibilities...  LOL I have to try and get the boat back in the wife's good 
graces or I could really end up in a Catalina Danny  

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From: Martin DeYoung 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:34:53 +

 
Friends don’t let friends buy Catalina’s, Hunter’s, or 
Bayliner’s. 
 
MartinCalypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle
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Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:56 A

Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure

[Frederick G Street]

I agree -- times like this the autopilot comes in very handy, and I like it 
better than the brake.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Sep 12, 2012, at 7:53 AM, Gary Nylander wrote:

> I don't know how others handle situations like this, but I never leave the 
> wheel without firming up the brake. I just don't want the rudder to do 
> anything, period

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Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure

[Chuck S]

I feel for you. I hope you won't get discouraged. Fixing up an old boat is 
always worth the time and effort. It raises the resell value and I'm sure you 
learned a lot which is priceless. I suggest you do your next shakedown without 
the wife, so you can work out some bugs and know all your systems are working 
and she can enjoy a less adventuress sail. (Though I envy you. My wife doesn't 
come sailing anymore. She gets queasy at the dock, and just doesn't enjoy 
sailing.) I know a couple got a 24 foot O'Day for free and spent 4 years fixing 
it up before their first sail. I see many boats never leave the dock. 

Do you have an autopilot? Edson also sells a short cable stop that would 
prevent your problem. The cable gets attached to the quadrant and to a 
structural boat member, and simply goes taught when the runner turns past 30 
degrees or so. I also ran my furling line back to the wheel, and a set of 
winches so I can do it all myself at the wheel. It takes time to get a boat the 
way you want it, and how you want it changes over time, so it's never done. 
It's always improving. I moved my traveller twice till I was happy with it. I 
did so much drilling and filling, I know the whole boat inside and out. 

Last thought: You didn't miss much cruising time working on the boat. The 
middle of summer is too hot, no wind, and too high humidity to enjoy without 
AC. Sept/Oct is the best sailing time of the year. The water is still warm 
enough for swimming, winds are more dependable, nights cool enough to allow a 
blanket for good sleeping aboard. I'm sure you'll fix this recent steering 
problem and be back out before you know it. 



Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Atlantic City, NJ 
- Original Message -
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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 8:32:07 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure 


Okay so, Here is what I think may have happened. I think, when I let go of the 
wheel to help furl the headsail, the rudder swung hard to port and went right 
past the stop. This allowed the chain to roll right off the sprocket. When I 
was playing around with trying to get it back, I got the chain to cable fitting 
to go back over the steering shaft and the stop spindle on the rudder post 
wheel to slip back by the stop on the bulkhead. What good is a stop if it 
doesn't stop anything? Anyway I guess I should have engaged the break or tied 
off the wheel before I let it go. 

I'm going to head down tonight and try and remove the cable and chain to order 
a new one. I'm also going to get in the water and have a look at the prop and 
shaft as there is some mysterious vibration happening now...I wonder if the 
rudder managed to swing so far as to have bent the brand new $500.00 shaft I 
just installed... Or maybe it bent the strut... 

The wife is pretty disgusted in the whole ordeal. she feels we wasted and 
entire summer working on this boat only to have this happen and we're not done 
working on it and we can't go sailing because we need to make ANOTHER repair 
and waste more great weather working on the boat. I think she has also lost 
confidence in the boat... I tried to take all the blame myself saying we didn't 
do enough shake down sailing and that it was my fault for letting go of the 
wheel and allowing the rudder to swing... Her take is that we should be able to 
let go of the wheel in a troubled situation and not worry about becoming 
disabled...I tend to agree. As much as we both like the wheel I'm considering 
going back to the tiller...or I need to beef up the stops or find a better 
solution to prevent this from happening again. I think, knowing what I know 
now, I will be more careful about tying the wheel off. Or...I don't know,... it 
is hard to believe this has never happened before... 

Any insights are always appreciated... Don't worry about hurting my delicate 
sensibilities... LOL 

I have to try and get the boat back in the wife's good graces or I could really 
end up in a Catalina 

Danny 




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From: Martin DeYoung  
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"  
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure 
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:34:53 + 






Friends don’t let friends buy Catalina’s, Hunter’s, or Bayliner’s. 




MartinCalypso 

1971 C&C 43 

Seattle 




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Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:56 AM 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure 




I hear ya, Russ... I'm not letting beat though...came close and the wife is 
saying..."Now I know why people buy the brand new Catalina..." e 





you could have 2 or 3 catalinas for the price of the Sabre that I covet! 





If it hadn't been for the rough seas, the fast response of Tow BoatUS and the 
comfort level of my wife...I'd have dropped down below. As it 

Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure

[Frederick G Street]

Just remember that the chain/wire "crosses over" inside the pedestal; the cable 
from the port side of the quadrant comes over the starboard side of the 
sprocket, and vice versa.

Otherwise, your steering will be even more interesting next time you go out...  
 :^)

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Sep 12, 2012, at 8:24 AM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote:

> Everything under there looks perfect.  As I was looking down into the 
> pedestal, with a flashlight,  I could see one side of the chain straight down 
> and the starboard side chin seemed to disappear toward midshipsI'm 
> thinking that is hanging up inside the pedestal...

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Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure

[djhaug...@juno.com]

I know...I have my new autopilot sitting at home in the box...that'll be going 
on in pretty short order!

-- Original Message --
From: Frederick G Street 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 10:16:43 -0500

I agree -- times like this the autopilot comes in very handy, and I like it 
better than the brake.
Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^( 
On Sep 12, 2012, at 7:53 AM, Gary Nylander wrote:I don't know how others handle 
situations like this, but I never leave the wheel without firming up the brake. 
I just don't want the rudder to do anything, period  
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Re: Stus-List ST4000 wheel drive problem

[Rich Knowles]

There is a chance that CMC will help you. Ask to speak to Joey. He has lots of 
used stuff lying around. 

Rich 

On 2012-09-12, at 10:52, Tortuga  wrote:

During our last sail, the wheel drive for the Autohelm ST4000 on our 1979 30 
mk1 stopped engaging. When I moved the drive lever into the engage position it 
seemed to not catch, although it stayed in position. The unit was clicking away 
but the wheel was not engaged.



I put a note on the Raymarine tech forum, asking whether I should take the 
wheel drive apart. I received a reply, asking “What color is the wheel drive, 
Black or Gray?” I replied that I thought it was black faded to dark gray.



I received another reply, "There is no adjustment on black wheel drives, and 
unfortunately no parts available any longer as well.  Sometimes with those 
symptoms, changing the belt might help, again there are no parts available but 
there is a company…"



I took the wheel drive apart and found that the cam mechanism was rotating on 
the shaft connecting it to the drive lever Once there were 2 pins which passed 
through the cam and the shaft to prevent the cam from free-rotating. They had 
been worn down or snapped off. The remains were still lodged in the shaft.



As a temporary fix, I cut 2 thin brads to length and shoved them through the 
cam and shaft, then placed them both back into the drive wheel assembly, jammed 
the wheel drive back together and put the drive lever back on.



I haven’t had a chance yet to try it out because of the winds and rain from 
Leslie. 



I have contacted CMC Electronics to ask about a replacement drive eccentric 
assembly. I was told someone there will call me back.



My apologies if this has been discussed too many times before. Is it a common 
problem? What are my chances of finding a replacement assembly?



Thanks



Derek Kennedy

C&C 30 mk 1

Ballantyne's Cove, NS

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Re: Stus-List Seeking Mooring/Slip between City Island and Point Judith

[Fair, Mike]

I was at Maxwell's for a few months many years ago. Low key laid back at
the time. I moved only to be closer to the MA islands.

Mike

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Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:54 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Seeking Mooring/Slip between City Island and Point
Judith

My partner, Beverly Genader, and I are new to your forum.  We are not
new to C&Cs, our current one being my fifth.  We hope to meet you at the
Mystic event. 

We are considering moving our boat from Lake Ontario to Long Island
Sound.  Great sailing on the lake but with it being two feet lower than
normal our season is over. 

We are looking for a reasonably-priced mooring or slip between City
Island and Point Judith that would handle our 6.5 foot draft.  Probably
closer to Mystic since Beverly lives in Stonington and has sailed out of
Mystic for a number of years. 

We appreciate any suggestions. 


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Re: Stus-List Seeking Mooring/Slip between City Island and Point Judith

[Edd Schillay]

Bob,

On the western end, I can highly recommend my club, MYBC, on City 
Island. Dues are reasonable and you can winter store your boat on site for the 
lowest prices for many miles. 

See: http://www.morrisybc.com (I designed and maintain the website).
  




All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37/40+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website





> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of b...@quickland.us
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:54 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List Seeking Mooring/Slip between City Island and Point
> Judith
> 
> My partner, Beverly Genader, and I are new to your forum.  We are not
> new to C&Cs, our current one being my fifth.  We hope to meet you at the
> Mystic event. 
> 
> We are considering moving our boat from Lake Ontario to Long Island
> Sound.  Great sailing on the lake but with it being two feet lower than
> normal our season is over. 
> 
> We are looking for a reasonably-priced mooring or slip between City
> Island and Point Judith that would handle our 6.5 foot draft.  Probably
> closer to Mystic since Beverly lives in Stonington and has sailed out of
> Mystic for a number of years. 
> 
> We appreciate any suggestions. 
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Re: Stus-List Seeking Mooring/Slip between City Island and Point Judith

[Indigo]

A friend of mine has a slip at a condo in Stonington (separate leases - he does 
not have the condo) that he MAY be interested in sub leasing. What is you 
budget and do you want me to ask him

Jonathan
Indigo - 35mk III
Southport CT


On Sep 12, 2012, at 9:53, b...@quickland.us wrote:

> My partner, Beverly Genader, and I are new to your forum.  We are not new to 
> C&Cs, our current one being my fifth.  We hope to meet you at the Mystic 
> event. 
> 
> We are considering moving our boat from Lake Ontario to Long Island Sound.  
> Great sailing on the lake but with it being two feet lower than normal our 
> season is over. 
> 
> We are looking for a reasonably-priced mooring or slip between City Island 
> and Point Judith that would handle our 6.5 foot draft.  Probably closer to 
> Mystic since Beverly lives in Stonington and has sailed out of Mystic for a 
> number of years. 
> 
> We appreciate any suggestions. 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Reverse Flow on Transom Bilge Outflow

[Morgenstern, Keith E CIV SEA 08 NR]

On a past boat I had good luck with simply putting in the loop, and
poking a very small hole in the top with a needle. If the needle is made
to be red hot, it will melt instead of cut the hose and seal the edges.

The hole doesn't need to be very big to prevent a siphon.

Yes, it is possible that when the pump is running that it may dribble
tiny drops of water.
Who cares...not me.

Keep it simplesilly.

-Keith M


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From: dre...@gmail.com [mailto:dre...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:33
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Reverse Flow on Transom Bilge Outflow

Hi, 

A loop is a good idea, a vented loop even better, but a cost effective
solution would be to install a simple check valve.  If it is installed
down near an automatic pump, then you have the added benefit of the
valve keeping the hose water from filling back into the bilge after the
pump shuts off.

I have also seen boats which use only one hose for both electric bilge
pumps and deck mounted hand bilge pumps (like the Whale Gusher 10).
That is, the electric bilge pump hose is routed to the hand pump and
then out .  This set up is nice as the hand pump acts like a check valve
allowing water to flow only out, and it uses only one through hole.  


-
Paul E.
s/v Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL 

On Sep 12, 2012, at 8:53 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:


WE had a race years ago, where we sucked water into the
manual bilge pump
going 10+ kts downwind under the kite.  Had to run the
electric and hand
pump to get the water to go back out again, made me
think that you might
need one of those vacuum breaks in the bilge pump
outflow.  Any lister
tried those?

ALEX GIANNELIA




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Stus-List Reverse Flow on Transom Bilge Outflow (Gary Russell)

[Alex Giannelia]

Thanks Gary and good to hear from you again!  I will definitely do that, the 
exhaust already does that and someone told me I should put one of those vacuum 
breaks on it, so that is why I thought about it.

My 6 year "deck restoration" project is slowly coming to an end

ALEX GIANNELIA

Phone (416) 203-9858
Fax   (416) 203-9843
Cell   (416) 529-0070

email: a...@airsensing.com
WEB: www.airsensing.com

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   1. Re:  Reverse Flow on Transom Bilge Outflow (Gary Russell)
   2. Re:  35-3 spin pole downhaul question (Jake Brodersen)
   3. Re:  35-3 spin pole downhaul question (Joel Aronson)
   4. Re:  35-3 spin pole downhaul question
  (Morgenstern, Keith E CIV SEA 08 NR)
   5. Re:  Edson chain and wire pedestal failure (djhaug...@juno.com)
   6. Re:  Edson chain and wire pedestal failure (Rich Knowles)
   7. Re:  Edson chain and wire pedestal failure (Della Barba, Joe)
   8. Re:  Edson chain and wire pedestal failure (dwight veinot)


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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 04:55:39 -0400
From: Gary Russell 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Reverse Flow on Transom Bilge Outflow
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Hi Alex,
 We had the exact same problem with Expresso when we first got her and
solved the problem with a loop in the bilge pump line that entered the
transom and was routed up to just below the deck level before returning
down to the bilge pump.  No more problem.  No valves of any kind required.

Gary
S/V Expresso
'75 C&C 35 Mk II


On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 11:31 PM, Alex Giannelia  wrote:

> WE had a race years ago, where we sucked water into the manual bilge pump
> going 10+ kts downwind under the kite.  Had to run the electric and hand
> pump to get the water to go back out again, made me think that you might
> need one of those vacuum breaks in the bilge pump outflow.  Any lister
> tried those?
>
> ALEX GIANNELIA
>
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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 05:56:29 -0400
From: "Jake Brodersen" 
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Subject: Re: Stus-List 35-3 spin pole downhaul question
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Graham,

We use a double ended downhaul.  It runs from a pair of blocks mounted just
aft of the anchor locker, along the sides of the cabin (at deck level), to
the cockpit coaming.  I probably have three fairleads on each side.  No real
contact occurs with the cabin or deck when the system is under load.  The
double ended system makes it easier to adjust without a winch, especially
since we do end-for-end gybes.  If the downhaul went all the way to the bow,
a single line would work fine.

Jake

Jake Brodersen
C&C 35 Mk-III
"Midnight Mistress
Hampton VA




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From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
On Behalf Of Graham Collins
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 8:50 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List 35-3 spin pole downhaul question

A question, somewhat specific for the other 35-3 owners.

When we use our spin pole the pole downhaul is run from the pole, down to a
snatch block on the foredeck (padeye on the deck), and back along the side
of the cabin through a couple of fairleads (usually starboard side, but can
do it on the other side as well).  We use a single run of 3/8" for this.

I'm not hugely happy with this as it drags on the forward corner of the
cabin s

Stus-List Letting go of the wheel

[Alex Giannelia]

idn't do enough shake down sailing and that it was my fault for letting go of 
the wheel and allowing the rudder to swing...  Her take is that we should be 
able to let go of the wheel in a troubled situation and not worry about 
becoming disabled...I tend to agree.  As much as we both like the wheel I'm 
considering going back to the tiller...or I need to beef up the stops or find a 
better solution to prevent this from happening again.  I think, knowing what I 
know now, I will be more careful about tying the wheel off.  Or...I don't 
know,...  it is hard to believe this has never happened before...

  Any insights are always appreciated...  Don't worry about hurting my delicate 
sensibilities...  LOL

  I have to try and get the boat back in the wife's good graces or I could 
really end up in a Catalina

  Danny




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  To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
  Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:34:53 +



  Friends don't let friends buy Catalina's, Hunter's, or Bayliner's.



  MartinCalypso

  1971 C&C 43

  Seattle


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  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure



  I hear ya, Russ...  I'm not letting beat though...came close and the wife is 
saying..."Now I know why people buy the brand new Catalina..."  e



  you could have 2 or 3 catalinas for the price of the Sabre that I covet!



  If it hadn't been for the rough seas, the fast response of Tow BoatUS and the 
comfort level of my wife...I'd have dropped down below.  As it turns out, if I 
had removed the cable or pulled the pin in the pedestal I probably would have 
had control again.  I guess the thing is that, I had ot done anything with the 
steering sytem so I was not at all familiar with it...I should have known 
better.



  I just hope my wife forgives the Viking pretty quickly or she'll be pushing 
even harder for the Catlina...At least she isn't get out of boating all 
together!  if worse comes to worse a catlina is better than no boat at all!!!  
LOL



  You can't beat the speed though...we were hitting 9 knots with the currents 
with just the head sail before all hell broke loose!  lets see a catlina do 
that!  LOL



  Danny



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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:55:35 -0400 (EDT)
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
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I was thinking the same, it is impossible for this to happen when in
forward motion. More to the story???


In a message dated 9/12/2012 8:52:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
r...@sailpower.ca writes:

Danny. I don't understand how the rudder could have swung by the stop if
the boat was moving forward.

Rich

On 2012-09-12, at 12:32, "_djhaughey@juno.com_ (mailto:djhaug...@juno.com)
" <_djhaughey@juno.com_ (mailto:djhaug...@juno.com) >  wrote:




Okay so,  Here is what I think may have happened.  I think,  when I let go
of the wheel to help furl the headsail, the rudder swung hard to  port and
went right past the stop.   This allowed the chain to  roll right off the
sprocket.   When I was playing around with trying  to get it back, I got the
chain to cable fitting to go back over the steering  shaft and the stop
spindle on the rudder post wheel to slip back by  the stop on the bulkhead.  
What
good is a stop if it doesn't stop  anything?  Anyway I guess I should have
engaged the break or tied off the  wheel before I let it go.

I'm going to head down tonight and try and remove the cable and chain to
order a new one.  I'm also going to get in the water and have a look at  the
prop and shaft as there is some mysterious vibration happening now...I
wonder if the rudder managed to swing so far as to have bent the brand new
$500.00 shaft I just installed...  Or maybe it bent the strut...

The wife is pretty disgusted in the whole ordeal.  she feels we  wasted and
entire summer working on this boat only to have this happen and  we're not
done working on it and we can't go sailing because we need to make 

Stus-List What C&C do you have

[dwight veinot]

Alex and others

I don't know if it violates any rules or what others may feel but I really
like it when folks sign their emails to this list and include boat name,
year and model and also location or yacht club.  Lots are already doing it
and hopefully more others will too...helps with getting to know people who
you may never meet and its nice to know where folks do their sailing...like
I didn't know until I read Chuck's post today that folks swim in the ocean
well into October in Atlantic City...I figure it's pretty busy on the water
around where he is sailing

thanks 

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

-Original Message-
From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
On Behalf Of Alex Giannelia
Sent: September 12, 2012 1:20 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Reverse Flow on Transom Bilge Outflow (Gary Russell)

Thanks Gary and good to hear from you again!  I will definitely do that, the
exhaust already does that and someone told me I should put one of those
vacuum breaks on it, so that is why I thought about it.

My 6 year "deck restoration" project is slowly coming to an end

ALEX GIANNELIA

Phone (416) 203-9858
Fax   (416) 203-9843
Cell   (416) 529-0070

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Re: Stus-List What C&C do you have

[Stevan Plavsa]

I concur. I try to do that most times but the boat name isn't one that I
chose so I've been omitting it lately. Once the name change is complete
I'll be sure to start adding it again :)

Steve
1980 C&C 32 Hull 59
Toronto

On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 12:33 PM, dwight veinot <
dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:

> Alex and others
>
> I don't know if it violates any rules or what others may feel but I really
> like it when folks sign their emails to this list and include boat name,
> year and model and also location or yacht club.  Lots are already doing it
> and hopefully more others will too...helps with getting to know people who
> you may never meet and its nice to know where folks do their sailing...like
> I didn't know until I read Chuck's post today that folks swim in the ocean
> well into October in Atlantic City...I figure it's pretty busy on the water
> around where he is sailing
>
> thanks
>
> Dwight Veinot
> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
> On Behalf Of Alex Giannelia
> Sent: September 12, 2012 1:20 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List Reverse Flow on Transom Bilge Outflow (Gary Russell)
>
> Thanks Gary and good to hear from you again!  I will definitely do that,
> the
> exhaust already does that and someone told me I should put one of those
> vacuum breaks on it, so that is why I thought about it.
>
> My 6 year "deck restoration" project is slowly coming to an end
>
> ALEX GIANNELIA
>
> Phone (416) 203-9858
> Fax   (416) 203-9843
> Cell   (416) 529-0070
>
> email: a...@airsensing.com
> WEB: www.airsensing.com
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Seeking Mooring/Slip between City Island and Point Judith

[John Russo]

Bob,

We keep our boat at Captain's Cove Seaport in Black Rock Harbor Bridgeport
CT. About midway between Stonington and City Island. Great place managed by
really good people with to two lifts, excellent mechanics and service and
winter storage on  site. Rates are reasonable and slips are available with
water and power or without on the Island slips, which has free launch
service. We have been there since 2005 and highly recommend it. Check out
the web site.
  
http://www.captainscoveseaport.com/

John Russo
C&C 32
Arpeggio

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On Behalf Of b...@quickland.us
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:54 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Seeking Mooring/Slip between City Island and Point Judith

My partner, Beverly Genader, and I are new to your forum.  We are not new to
C&Cs, our current one being my fifth.  We hope to meet you at the Mystic
event. 

We are considering moving our boat from Lake Ontario to Long Island Sound.
Great sailing on the lake but with it being two feet lower than normal our
season is over. 

We are looking for a reasonably-priced mooring or slip between City Island
and Point Judith that would handle our 6.5 foot draft.  Probably closer to
Mystic since Beverly lives in Stonington and has sailed out of Mystic for a
number of years. 

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Re: Stus-List What C&C do you have

[Edd Schillay]

I concur as well -- and add a link if your boat has a website or blog. :-)


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37/40+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
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On Sep 12, 2012, at 12:50 PM, Stevan Plavsa wrote:

> I concur. I try to do that most times but the boat name isn't one that I 
> chose so I've been omitting it lately. Once the name change is complete I'll 
> be sure to start adding it again :)
> 
> Steve
> 1980 C&C 32 Hull 59
> Toronto
> 
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 12:33 PM, dwight veinot 
>  wrote:
> Alex and others
> 
> I don't know if it violates any rules or what others may feel but I really
> like it when folks sign their emails to this list and include boat name,
> year and model and also location or yacht club.  Lots are already doing it
> and hopefully more others will too...helps with getting to know people who
> you may never meet and its nice to know where folks do their sailing...like
> I didn't know until I read Chuck's post today that folks swim in the ocean
> well into October in Atlantic City...I figure it's pretty busy on the water
> around where he is sailing
> 
> thanks
> 
> Dwight Veinot
> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
> On Behalf Of Alex Giannelia
> Sent: September 12, 2012 1:20 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List Reverse Flow on Transom Bilge Outflow (Gary Russell)
> 
> Thanks Gary and good to hear from you again!  I will definitely do that, the
> exhaust already does that and someone told me I should put one of those
> vacuum breaks on it, so that is why I thought about it.
> 
> My 6 year "deck restoration" project is slowly coming to an end
> 
> ALEX GIANNELIA
> 
> Phone (416) 203-9858
> Fax   (416) 203-9843
> Cell   (416) 529-0070
> 
> email: a...@airsensing.com
> WEB: www.airsensing.com
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List What C&C do you have

[Hoyt, Mike]

Dwight

People swim in Halifax Harbour in May - but it is not always intentional

Mike
Nut Case 1987 J27 150 sail 70507  Barrachois Harbour Yacht Club,
Barrachois, Nova Scotia, CANADA
Crew of Koobalibra 2007 C&C115 59115 Royal Nova Scotia Yacht Squadron,
Halifax, Nova Scotia, CANADA
Former owner Full Tilt 2 1979 Hinterhoeller Niagara 26 002 Barrachois
Harbour Yacht Club
Former owner Monkey Bear 1974 Paceship P23 - no club
Former family boat Blue Horizon No 1 1981 C&C36, Royal Nova Scotia Yacht
Squadron, Halifax Nova Scotia
Former owner Full Tilt McVay Minuette - Royal Nova Scotia Yacht Squadron

-Original Message-
From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight veinot
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 1:34 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List What C&C do you have

Alex and others

I don't know if it violates any rules or what others may feel but I
really
like it when folks sign their emails to this list and include boat name,
year and model and also location or yacht club.  Lots are already doing
it
and hopefully more others will too...helps with getting to know people
who
you may never meet and its nice to know where folks do their
sailing...like
I didn't know until I read Chuck's post today that folks swim in the
ocean
well into October in Atlantic City...I figure it's pretty busy on the
water
around where he is sailing

thanks 

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

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Re: Stus-List What C&C do you have

[dwight veinot]

Mike
I see you had a few boats during your time...I would have been happy just to
know about now...but thanks anyway

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

-Original Message-
From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike
Sent: September 12, 2012 2:39 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List What C&C do you have

Dwight

People swim in Halifax Harbour in May - but it is not always intentional

Mike
Nut Case 1987 J27 150 sail 70507  Barrachois Harbour Yacht Club,
Barrachois, Nova Scotia, CANADA
Crew of Koobalibra 2007 C&C115 59115 Royal Nova Scotia Yacht Squadron,
Halifax, Nova Scotia, CANADA
Former owner Full Tilt 2 1979 Hinterhoeller Niagara 26 002 Barrachois
Harbour Yacht Club
Former owner Monkey Bear 1974 Paceship P23 - no club
Former family boat Blue Horizon No 1 1981 C&C36, Royal Nova Scotia Yacht
Squadron, Halifax Nova Scotia
Former owner Full Tilt McVay Minuette - Royal Nova Scotia Yacht Squadron

-Original Message-
From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight veinot
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 1:34 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List What C&C do you have

Alex and others

I don't know if it violates any rules or what others may feel but I
really
like it when folks sign their emails to this list and include boat name,
year and model and also location or yacht club.  Lots are already doing
it
and hopefully more others will too...helps with getting to know people
who
you may never meet and its nice to know where folks do their
sailing...like
I didn't know until I read Chuck's post today that folks swim in the
ocean
well into October in Atlantic City...I figure it's pretty busy on the
water
around where he is sailing

thanks 

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

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Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire failure + wife issues

[Martin DeYoung]

Another spooking the wife at sea story:

Delivering a C&C 39 back from Hawaii in 1979, my wife's first Pacific crossing, 
we experienced:

Refrigeration failure and loss of food (ended up rationing food for 2 weeks)
Galley fire (2 dry chemical ext. to put it out)
A4 engine failure (middle of taking a short cut through the NE Pac. High i.e. 
very light wind)
Water shortage (had 24 days of water took 29 to land in Seattle)

We did have some magical days and nights of gentle sailing while working our 
way out of the NE Pacific high.  All on board survived the trial and 
tribulations but comfort was sacrificed

My best sales job to date was convincing her to make another trip (Honolulu to 
San Francisco) in 1981.

How to regain her confidence in an older C&C for anything more than a light air 
day trip? Hell'if I know.  Failed that test myself.  I'm wired for adventure 
sailing, local or long distance.  She's wired for comfort and social 
sailing/boating.

Best ideas I have come up with in over 30 years of working on the problem is to 
fly her to the destination while me and my salty friends sail the boat and 
experience all the good and less good of voyaging under sail.

Martin
Calypso
1971 C&C 43, hull #1
Seattle

From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 5:52 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure

The stops on my boat work well and prevent exactly the kind of thing that 
happened to you.
As for your wife..not sure I have a fix for that that 
doesn't involve a lot of money.
If it makes you feel any better, my wife has over the years put up with  - 
sometimes with good humor and sometimes not -
A failed fuel pump that I fixed with an outboard squeeze bulb. She had to 
squeeze the whole way home or steer while I squeezed. SQUEEZE HARDER DON'T LET 
IT GO SOFT was yelled frequently to encourage maintenance of fuel pressure :)
An engine that died on the last day of our cruise about 10 yards from the 
mooring. This then entailed putting the engine in the dinghy, dragging it up on 
the dock, and using a tree to hoist it into her car. Everything was going great 
until the A4- lacking a front oil seal - dumped a quart of oil in her car. This 
same cruise involved several days with a heat index around 108-110 and 100% 
humidity at night. We tried watching a movie at night in the cockpit for more 
air and 1,000 moths landed on the TV.  And then the engine was in the shop and 
my basement for 2 months getting fixed.
A fuel fill hose that popped a leak and dumped several gallons of gas into the 
bilge.
A bilge pump that for some reason - after a decade of good service - decided to 
siphon INTO the boat and caused my wife to step into almost knee-deep water 
around 0200 when she got up to use the head.
More engine malfunctions than I can count until I finally gave the damn thing 
away and got another one. My wife actually accused me of LIKING these issues 
because one day I was dancing around yelling "I AM A GOD OF ENGINES" after a 
successful MacGyver fix of some ignition malfunction.

Even brand new boats have all kinds of issues. Anyone who buys a used boat or 
airplane has a year or two of getting everything fixed and even then it is 
always an adventure. A lot of cash will get you a new boat, but it isn't easy 
to fix the expectation that old boats (and airplanes and antique cars and 1960s 
British motorcycles) will run like a Honda Civic.

Cruising- (cruzing) Verb. The act of doing boat repairs in exotic locations

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
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Re: Stus-List What C&C do you have

[Hoyt, Mike]

Dwight

Sarcasm may not be my strong point but I try to use it occasionally.

Put me down for the 115 as the current C&C for me as I sail on it far
more than my own boat.  Is a handful but a really nice boat to be on ...
And that will be in 2 hours ... 

-Original Message-
From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight veinot
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 3:21 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List What C&C do you have

Mike
I see you had a few boats during your time...I would have been happy
just to
know about now...but thanks anyway

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

-Original Message-
From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike
Sent: September 12, 2012 2:39 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List What C&C do you have

Dwight

People swim in Halifax Harbour in May - but it is not always intentional

Mike
Nut Case 1987 J27 150 sail 70507  Barrachois Harbour Yacht Club,
Barrachois, Nova Scotia, CANADA
Crew of Koobalibra 2007 C&C115 59115 Royal Nova Scotia Yacht Squadron,
Halifax, Nova Scotia, CANADA
Former owner Full Tilt 2 1979 Hinterhoeller Niagara 26 002 Barrachois
Harbour Yacht Club
Former owner Monkey Bear 1974 Paceship P23 - no club
Former family boat Blue Horizon No 1 1981 C&C36, Royal Nova Scotia Yacht
Squadron, Halifax Nova Scotia
Former owner Full Tilt McVay Minuette - Royal Nova Scotia Yacht Squadron

-Original Message-
From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight veinot
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 1:34 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List What C&C do you have

Alex and others

I don't know if it violates any rules or what others may feel but I
really
like it when folks sign their emails to this list and include boat name,
year and model and also location or yacht club.  Lots are already doing
it
and hopefully more others will too...helps with getting to know people
who
you may never meet and its nice to know where folks do their
sailing...like
I didn't know until I read Chuck's post today that folks swim in the
ocean
well into October in Atlantic City...I figure it's pretty busy on the
water
around where he is sailing

thanks 

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

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Re: Stus-List ST4000 wheel drive problem

[Dennis C.]

Monitor eBay. The drive units show up regularly. I sold one a few months ago.  
Won't be cheap. 

Dennis C.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 12, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Tortuga  wrote:

> During our last sail, the wheel drive for the Autohelm ST4000 on our 1979 30 
> mk1 stopped engaging. When I moved the drive lever into the engage position 
> it seemed to not catch, although it stayed in position. The unit was clicking 
> away but the wheel was not engaged.
> 
> 
> 
> I put a note on the Raymarine tech forum, asking whether I should take the 
> wheel drive apart. I received a reply, asking “What color is the wheel drive, 
> Black or Gray?” I replied that I thought it was black faded to dark gray.
> 
> 
> 
> I received another reply, "There is no adjustment on black wheel drives, and 
> unfortunately no parts available any longer as well.  Sometimes with those 
> symptoms, changing the belt might help, again there are no parts available 
> but there is a company…"
> 
> 
> 
> I took the wheel drive apart and found that the cam mechanism was rotating on 
> the shaft connecting it to the drive lever Once there were 2 pins which 
> passed through the cam and the shaft to prevent the cam from free-rotating. 
> They had been worn down or snapped off. The remains were still lodged in the 
> shaft.
> 
> 
> 
> As a temporary fix, I cut 2 thin brads to length and shoved them through the 
> cam and shaft, then placed them both back into the drive wheel assembly, 
> jammed the wheel drive back together and put the drive lever back on.
> 
> 
> 
> I haven’t had a chance yet to try it out because of the winds and rain from 
> Leslie.  
> 
> 
> 
> I have contacted CMC Electronics to ask about a replacement drive eccentric 
> assembly. I was told someone there will call me back.
> 
> 
> 
> My apologies if this has been discussed too many times before. Is it a common 
> problem? What are my chances of finding a replacement assembly?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> Derek Kennedy
> 
> C&C 30 mk 1
> 
> Ballantyne's Cove, NS
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Re: Stus-List What C&C do you have

[dwight veinot]

Mike
Good luck tonight, might be quite light but it will be fun as long as you
can keep the boat moving...pass on best wishes to Dave and Woody; I sailed
with those guys quite a bit years ago on a 34R

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

-Original Message-
From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike
Sent: September 12, 2012 3:25 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List What C&C do you have

Dwight

Sarcasm may not be my strong point but I try to use it occasionally.

Put me down for the 115 as the current C&C for me as I sail on it far
more than my own boat.  Is a handful but a really nice boat to be on ...
And that will be in 2 hours ... 

-Original Message-
From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight veinot
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 3:21 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List What C&C do you have

Mike
I see you had a few boats during your time...I would have been happy
just to
know about now...but thanks anyway

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

-Original Message-
From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike
Sent: September 12, 2012 2:39 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List What C&C do you have

Dwight

People swim in Halifax Harbour in May - but it is not always intentional

Mike
Nut Case 1987 J27 150 sail 70507  Barrachois Harbour Yacht Club,
Barrachois, Nova Scotia, CANADA
Crew of Koobalibra 2007 C&C115 59115 Royal Nova Scotia Yacht Squadron,
Halifax, Nova Scotia, CANADA
Former owner Full Tilt 2 1979 Hinterhoeller Niagara 26 002 Barrachois
Harbour Yacht Club
Former owner Monkey Bear 1974 Paceship P23 - no club
Former family boat Blue Horizon No 1 1981 C&C36, Royal Nova Scotia Yacht
Squadron, Halifax Nova Scotia
Former owner Full Tilt McVay Minuette - Royal Nova Scotia Yacht Squadron

-Original Message-
From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight veinot
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 1:34 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List What C&C do you have

Alex and others

I don't know if it violates any rules or what others may feel but I
really
like it when folks sign their emails to this list and include boat name,
year and model and also location or yacht club.  Lots are already doing
it
and hopefully more others will too...helps with getting to know people
who
you may never meet and its nice to know where folks do their
sailing...like
I didn't know until I read Chuck's post today that folks swim in the
ocean
well into October in Atlantic City...I figure it's pretty busy on the
water
around where he is sailing

thanks 

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

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Re: Stus-List What C&C do you have

[Hoyt, Mike]

Thanks Dwight

Bruce now has a Sabre 34 and races wih Ross on a J120.  You can probably
hear bruce all the way from St Margarets Bay! 

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[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight veinot
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 3:31 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List What C&C do you have

Mike
Good luck tonight, might be quite light but it will be fun as long as
you
can keep the boat moving...pass on best wishes to Dave and Woody; I
sailed
with those guys quite a bit years ago on a 34R

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

-Original Message-
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[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike
Sent: September 12, 2012 3:25 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List What C&C do you have

Dwight

Sarcasm may not be my strong point but I try to use it occasionally.

Put me down for the 115 as the current C&C for me as I sail on it far
more than my own boat.  Is a handful but a really nice boat to be on ...
And that will be in 2 hours ... 

-Original Message-
From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight veinot
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 3:21 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List What C&C do you have

Mike
I see you had a few boats during your time...I would have been happy
just to
know about now...but thanks anyway

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

-Original Message-
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[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike
Sent: September 12, 2012 2:39 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List What C&C do you have

Dwight

People swim in Halifax Harbour in May - but it is not always intentional

Mike
Nut Case 1987 J27 150 sail 70507  Barrachois Harbour Yacht Club,
Barrachois, Nova Scotia, CANADA
Crew of Koobalibra 2007 C&C115 59115 Royal Nova Scotia Yacht Squadron,
Halifax, Nova Scotia, CANADA
Former owner Full Tilt 2 1979 Hinterhoeller Niagara 26 002 Barrachois
Harbour Yacht Club
Former owner Monkey Bear 1974 Paceship P23 - no club
Former family boat Blue Horizon No 1 1981 C&C36, Royal Nova Scotia Yacht
Squadron, Halifax Nova Scotia
Former owner Full Tilt McVay Minuette - Royal Nova Scotia Yacht Squadron

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[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight veinot
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 1:34 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List What C&C do you have

Alex and others

I don't know if it violates any rules or what others may feel but I
really
like it when folks sign their emails to this list and include boat name,
year and model and also location or yacht club.  Lots are already doing
it
and hopefully more others will too...helps with getting to know people
who
you may never meet and its nice to know where folks do their
sailing...like
I didn't know until I read Chuck's post today that folks swim in the
ocean
well into October in Atlantic City...I figure it's pretty busy on the
water
around where he is sailing

thanks 

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

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Re: Stus-List ST4000 wheel drive problem

[Tim Sippel]

Well if you end up buying a new autohelm ... I'll take the LCD control
unit of your hands ...

 

Tim Sippel 

C&C 33MKII 

Matico 






 

 

From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C.
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 2:29 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List ST4000 wheel drive problem

 

Monitor eBay. The drive units show up regularly. I sold one a few months
ago.  Won't be cheap. 

 

Dennis C.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 12, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Tortuga  wrote:

During our last sail, the wheel drive for the Autohelm ST4000 on
our 1979 30 mk1 stopped engaging. When I moved the drive lever into the
engage position it seemed to not catch, although it stayed in position.
The unit was clicking away but the wheel was not engaged.

 

I put a note on the Raymarine tech forum, asking whether I
should take the wheel drive apart. I received a reply, asking "What
color is the wheel drive, Black or Gray?" I replied that I thought it
was black faded to dark gray.

 

I received another reply, "There is no adjustment on black wheel
drives, and unfortunately no parts available any longer as well.
Sometimes with those symptoms, changing the belt might help, again there
are no parts available but there is a company..."

 

I took the wheel drive apart and found that the cam mechanism
was rotating on the shaft connecting it to the drive lever Once there
were 2 pins which passed through the cam and the shaft to prevent the
cam from free-rotating. They had been worn down or snapped off. The
remains were still lodged in the shaft. 

 

As a temporary fix, I cut 2 thin brads to length and shoved them
through the cam and shaft, then placed them both back into the drive
wheel assembly, jammed the wheel drive back together and put the drive
lever back on. 

 

I haven't had a chance yet to try it out because of the winds
and rain from Leslie.  

 

I have contacted CMC Electronics to ask about a replacement
drive eccentric assembly. I was told someone there will call me back. 

 

My apologies if this has been discussed too many times before.
Is it a common problem? What are my chances of finding a replacement
assembly? 

 

Thanks

 

Derek Kennedy

C&C 30 mk 1

Ballantyne's Cove, NS

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Re: Stus-List Seeking Mooring/Slip between City Island and Point Judith

[Richard Walter]

Bob,

INDIGO and her crew are very happy at Noank Village Boatyard in Noank (part of 
Groton, CT.

http://www.noankvillageboatyard.com/

We are on a mooring and have been there for 6+ years. They are family owned, 
family-oriented, and great people. Their staff is friendly, knowledgeable, and 
helpful. Before hurricane Irene in 2011, they did rapid haul outs of almost 100 
boats in three days! Many new folks have come in recently, many citing 
unhappiness with other local yards.

It is a 10-minute steam down the Mystic River to Fishers Island Sound and quick 
runs to many of New England's cruising destinations (Block Island, Cuttyhunk, 
Martha's Vineyard, Nantucket, Shelter Island and the Forks of Long Island).

Feel free to mention our names if you contact them. We couldn't be happier!

Richard & Meg Walter
s/v INDIGO
1978 36-footer
Noank, CT
Noank Village Boatyard

--- On Wed, 9/12/12, b...@quickland.us  wrote:

From: b...@quickland.us 
Subject: Stus-List Seeking Mooring/Slip between City Island and Point Judith
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 9:53 AM

My partner, Beverly Genader, and I are new to your forum.  We are not new to 
C&Cs, our current one being my fifth.  We hope to meet you at the Mystic event. 

We are considering moving our boat from Lake Ontario to Long Island Sound.  
Great sailing on the lake but with it being two feet lower than normal our 
season is over. 

We are looking for a reasonably-priced mooring or slip between City Island and 
Point Judith that would handle our 6.5 foot draft.  Probably closer to Mystic 
since Beverly lives in Stonington and has sailed out of Mystic for a number of 
years. 

We appreciate any suggestions. 


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Stus-List Fw: Fuel pump

[Persuasion]

Thanks for the suggestions Rich and Martin.  I thought the question would bring 
more responses from those who installed an electric pump.  On my cruise I met a 
guy who couldn’t say enough about switching to an electric pump.  Any way I’ve 
decide to replace the pump in kind and perhaps I’ll buy an electric one as a 
spare.

Thanks again;
Mike
S/V Persuasion
C&C 37 K/CB 

From: Martin DeYoung 
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 8:29 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel pump

Mike,

 

I did not see any reply specific to Yanmar fuel pumps but here is what I used 
on Calypso to lift the fuel from the tank:

Walbro Variable Frequency Reciprocating Fuel Pump, p/n FRB-22-2.  It was +- 
$110.00 at Fisheries Supply, Seattle and online.

 

I ran that pump for about 150 hours last year and it worked great.  For 
Calypso’s Perkins 4-108 the lift pump draws the fuel from the tank and pushes 
towards the engine mounted mechanical pump.  If the mech pump fails the 
electric will fill in however if the mech’s bellows fails the electrical pump 
could pump fuel into the crankcase.  Prepping for our trip around Vancouver 
Island I replaced both pumps and carried spare fuel system parts.

 

Back in the 980’s I owned a 1980 C&C 36 that had an apparent electrical lift 
pump failure (engine died at idle) that turned out to be a blown fuse hidden on 
the back of the engine.  Took me 90 minutes to find that one.  Fuse blew 
sometime during a 6 hour motor, at night (lights and radar running).  The mech 
fuel pump was able to keep up at cruise RPM but not at idle.

 

Martin

Calypso

1971 C&C 43

Seattle




From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of Persuasion
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 6:10 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Fuel pump

 

Hi.  I need help selecting an inline lift (fuel) pump.  While on our annual 
vacation our engine (3HM30F) started acting funny.  After running for 20+ 
minutes in the 2000-2200 rpm range the throttle would become unresponsive when 
put back to idle.  I would have to work the throttle to get the engine to idle 
and it would have to be 1000 rpm or more to keep from stalling.  Also; I’d have 
to put the tranny in neutral.  After a couple of minutes the throttle would 
return to normal.  If running in the 1500-1800 range there are no throttle 
issues.  I have notices that the engine cranks a little longer than usual 
before staring.  Perhaps 4-6 revolutions instead on the normal 2.  Anyway while 
on vacation the mechanic that replaced two copper washers on a couple of banjo 
fittings for $200.00 said my lift pump was gone.  Fortunately his $190.00 pump 
didn’t arrive on time.  Torrenson had one for less than $90.00.  

 

After spending another week in the Kingston/Thousand Island area we returned 
home without any issues but then again I kept the rpm below 2K and it was all 
down hill so to speak.

 

Not sure is the lift pump is truly shot but for peace of mind I’m going to 
install an electric fuel pump and I’m looking for recommendations.  Any 
particular make/model, gph, etc.

 

Mike
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Re: Stus-List {} Individual Canadian digital raster charts?

[Colin Kilgour]

Tom,

let us know if you have any success.  The Canadian digital chart market is
a colossal screw up.  Years ago, the government awarded a monopoly on
electronic chart distribution to some outfit out of Newfoundland, and for
years, those folks have been charging a king's ransom for the charts.  I
had heard a while ago of some initiative to break that situation, but
frankly haven't followed it closely since my boat hasn't been in Canada in
almost 3 years.

It'd be nice if they could make them freely available as NOAA does for US
charts.

Cheers
Colin


On Saturday, February 11, 2012, Tom Lochhaas  wrote:
> Anyone know if anyone sells individual CHS digital charts? Making a short
visit to Yarmouth, NS, area this summer and desire charts 4240-4244 but
don't feel like buying the full ATL06 region for $175. I like raster charts
for use with my laptop navigation programs.
> Second best, I also use an Android tablet and have the Navionics USA app
and can get the USA/Canada charting app for a mere $15, which should cover
that area in vector charts, but I still prefer raster charts that match my
paper charts. Anyone know of any Android apps that cover Canada using
raster charts? (Couldn't see any on Android Market.)
> Thanks!
> By the way, for anyone new on Android, I've just published a comparative
review of 5 different charting apps for US waters:
http://sailing.about.com/od/SailingApps/a/5-Android-Apps-For-Boat-Charts-And-Navigation.htm
>
> Tom Lochhaas
> LF38, Topanga II
> Sailing.About.com
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Re: Stus-List Seeking Mooring/Slip between City Island and Point Judith

[John and Maryann Read]

Bob

Have had Mystic and Noank as home ports for many, many years.  Let's talk at
the rendezvous

Cheers



John and Maryann
Legacy III
1982 C&C 34
Noank, CT

-Original Message-
From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
On Behalf Of John Russo
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:54 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Seeking Mooring/Slip between City Island and Point
Judith

Bob,

We keep our boat at Captain's Cove Seaport in Black Rock Harbor Bridgeport
CT. About midway between Stonington and City Island. Great place managed by
really good people with to two lifts, excellent mechanics and service and
winter storage on  site. Rates are reasonable and slips are available with
water and power or without on the Island slips, which has free launch
service. We have been there since 2005 and highly recommend it. Check out
the web site.
  
http://www.captainscoveseaport.com/

John Russo
C&C 32
Arpeggio

-Original Message-
From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
On Behalf Of b...@quickland.us
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:54 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Seeking Mooring/Slip between City Island and Point Judith

My partner, Beverly Genader, and I are new to your forum.  We are not new to
C&Cs, our current one being my fifth.  We hope to meet you at the Mystic
event. 

We are considering moving our boat from Lake Ontario to Long Island Sound.
Great sailing on the lake but with it being two feet lower than normal our
season is over. 

We are looking for a reasonably-priced mooring or slip between City Island
and Point Judith that would handle our 6.5 foot draft.  Probably closer to
Mystic since Beverly lives in Stonington and has sailed out of Mystic for a
number of years. 

We appreciate any suggestions. 


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Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire failure + wife issues

[djhaug...@juno.com]

Yea, I think she is more pissed off than anything.  "we wasted the whole summer 
and it still needs work!"  I told I didn't mind working on the boat but, she 
does!  LOL Okay.I got the wire and chain back on the sprocket with not too much 
effort and the things moved nicely, as they are supposed to.  Took most of my 
time getting the 4th compass bolt out...I'll be replacing them.I didn't like 
the looks of it all the chain wasn't bad but, dry and it looked old.  I got it 
off pretty easily and I'll get a new chain and wire assembly.The stops...not 
great...they were another hack job.  I'll be beefing them up this fall after 
she gets hauled.  I'll post some pics in the morning.  I'm not too sure how 
great they came out.I did take a swim and all looks fine down there.  One of my 
zincs has come loose.  I'm betting that is the cause of the vibration.  I'll 
have to dive again with an allen wrench and either tighten it up or remove it 
(I have two on there.   One in front and one behind the strut).Hopefully I can 
get all my parts tomorrow and install on friday and I'll be able to sail this 
weekend.  it supposed to be pretty calm.  8 to 10 knots and 1ft seas.  The 
newport boat show is this weekend as well.  we'll probably be hitting that 
too.Danny 

-- Original Message --
From: Martin DeYoung 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire failure + wife issues
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 18:21:11 +


Another spooking the wife at sea story:
 
Delivering a C&C 39 back from Hawaii in 1979, my wife’s first Pacific 
crossing, we experienced:
 
Refrigeration failure and loss of food (ended up rationing food for 2 weeks)
Galley fire (2 dry chemical ext. to put it out)
A4 engine failure (middle of taking a short cut through the NE Pac. High i.e. 
very light wind)
Water shortage (had 24 days of water took 29 to land in Seattle)
 
We did have some magical days and nights of gentle sailing while working our 
way out of the NE Pacific high.  All on board survived the trial and 
tribulations but comfort was sacrificed
 
My best sales job to date was convincing her to make another trip (Honolulu to 
San Francisco) in 1981.
 
How to regain her confidence in an older C&C for anything more than a light air 
day trip? Hell’if I know.  Failed that test myself.  I’m wired for 
adventure sailing, local or long distance.  She’s wired for comfort and 
social sailing/boating.
 
Best ideas I have come up with in over 30 years of working on the problem is to 
fly her to the destination while me and my salty friends sail the boat and 
experience all the good and less good of voyaging under sail.
 
Martin
Calypso
1971 C&C 43, hull #1
Seattle
From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 5:52 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
 
The stops on my boat work well and prevent exactly the kind of thing that 
happened to you.
As for your 
wife..not sure 
I have a fix for that that doesn’t involve a lot of money.
If it makes you feel any better, my wife has over the years put up with  - 
sometimes with good humor and sometimes not –
A failed fuel pump that I fixed with an outboard squeeze bulb. She had to 
squeeze the whole way home or steer while I squeezed. SQUEEZE HARDER 
DON’T LET IT GO SOFT was yelled frequently to encourage maintenance of 
fuel pressure J
An engine that died on the last day of our cruise about 10 yards from the 
mooring. This then entailed putting the engine in the dinghy, dragging it up on 
the dock, and using a tree to hoist it into her car. Everything was going great 
until the A4- lacking a front oil seal – dumped a quart of oil in her 
car. This same cruise involved several days with a heat index around 108-110 
and 100% humidity at night. We tried watching a movie at night in the cockpit 
for more air and 1,000 moths landed on the TV.  And then the engine was in the 
shop and my basement for 2 months getting fixed.
A fuel fill hose that popped a leak and dumped several gallons of gas into the 
bilge.
A bilge pump that for some reason – after a decade of good service 
– decided to siphon INTO the boat and caused my wife to step into almost 
knee-deep water around 0200 when she got up to use the head.
More engine malfunctions than I can count until I finally gave the damn thing 
away and got another one. My wife actually accused me of LIKING these issues 
because one day I was dancing around yelling “I AM A GOD OF 
ENGINES” after a successful MacGyver fix of some ignition malfunction. 
 
Even brand new boats have all kinds of issues. Anyone who buys a used boat or 
airplane has a year or two of getting everything fixed and even then it is 
always an adventure. A lot of cash will get you a new boat, but it isn’t 
easy to fix the expectation that old boats (and airplanes and antique cars and 
1960s British motorcycles) 

Re: Stus-List What C&C do you have

[Mark G]

I've seen my older posts to this list when I included my full name, location, 
boat model and hull number come up in Google searches.  That's why I no longer 
do it.

Mark

- Original Message -
From: dwight veinot 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 16:33:55 - (UTC)
Subject: Stus-List What C&C do you have

Alex and others

I don't know if it violates any rules or what others may feel but I really
like it when folks sign their emails to this list and include boat name,
year and model and also location or yacht club.  Lots are already doing it
and hopefully more others will too...helps with getting to know people who
you may never meet and its nice to know where folks do their sailing...like
I didn't know until I read Chuck's post today that folks swim in the ocean
well into October in Atlantic City...I figure it's pretty busy on the water
around where he is sailing

thanks 

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

-Original Message-
From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
On Behalf Of Alex Giannelia
Sent: September 12, 2012 1:20 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Reverse Flow on Transom Bilge Outflow (Gary Russell)

Thanks Gary and good to hear from you again!  I will definitely do that, the
exhaust already does that and someone told me I should put one of those
vacuum breaks on it, so that is why I thought about it.

My 6 year "deck restoration" project is slowly coming to an end

ALEX GIANNELIA

Phone (416) 203-9858
Fax   (416) 203-9843
Cell   (416) 529-0070

email: a...@airsensing.com
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Stus-List Running a wire down the mast

[tim]

Hi,

   I'm in the process of replacing the annometer on top of my mast.When up 
there (I'm on a mooring), I cut the existing communications wire, for which 
slipped out of my hands and went down the mast.  Oh no (grumbling).  Seeking 
advice for what is the best way to run a new wire down the mast w/o unstepping. 
 I cant tell if the mast is stuffed with foam.  The existing wire was 
relatively hard to pull out the bottom of the mast.

Thanks for your thoughts and advice.

Tim Welsh
1976 29' Mk1 S/V Sly Fox
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Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire failure + wife issues

[Martin DeYoung]

Danny,

RE the zincs in front and back of the strut:

Some people say having zincs in front and back of the strut, especially if very 
close could reduce the sea water flow that helps cool and lube the cutlass 
bearing.  I have not tested the hypothesis myself but just in case I place 
shaft zincs (tapered) forward of the strut with several inches of clearance.

Martin
Calypso
1971 C&C 43, hull #1
Seattle

From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 5:38 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire failure + wife issues

Yea, I think she is more pissed off than anything.  "we wasted the whole summer 
and it still needs work!"  I told I didn't mind working on the boat but, she 
does!  LOL

Okay.
I got the wire and chain back on the sprocket with not too much effort and the 
things moved nicely, as they are supposed to.  Took most of my time getting the 
4th compass bolt out...I'll be replacing them.
I didn't like the looks of it all the chain wasn't bad but, dry and it looked 
old.  I got it off pretty easily and I'll get a new chain and wire assembly.
The stops...not great...they were another hack job.  I'll be beefing them up 
this fall after she gets hauled.  I'll post some pics in the morning.  I'm not 
too sure how great they came out.
I did take a swim and all looks fine down there.  One of my zincs has come 
loose.  I'm betting that is the cause of the vibration.  I'll have to dive 
again with an allen wrench and either tighten it up or remove it (I have two on 
there.   One in front and one behind the strut).
Hopefully I can get all my parts tomorrow and install on friday and I'll be 
able to sail this weekend.  it supposed to be pretty calm.  8 to 10 knots and 
1ft seas.

The newport boat show is this weekend as well.  we'll probably be hitting that 
too.
Danny



-- Original Message --
From: Martin DeYoung 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire failure + wife issues
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 18:21:11 +
Another spooking the wife at sea story:

Delivering a C&C 39 back from Hawaii in 1979, my wife's first Pacific crossing, 
we experienced:

Refrigeration failure and loss of food (ended up rationing food for 2 weeks)
Galley fire (2 dry chemical ext. to put it out)
A4 engine failure (middle of taking a short cut through the NE Pac. High i.e. 
very light wind)
Water shortage (had 24 days of water took 29 to land in Seattle)

We did have some magical days and nights of gentle sailing while working our 
way out of the NE Pacific high.  All on board survived the trial and 
tribulations but comfort was sacrificed

My best sales job to date was convincing her to make another trip (Honolulu to 
San Francisco) in 1981.

How to regain her confidence in an older C&C for anything more than a light air 
day trip? Hell'if I know.  Failed that test myself.  I'm wired for adventure 
sailing, local or long distance.  She's wired for comfort and social 
sailing/boating.

Best ideas I have come up with in over 30 years of working on the problem is to 
fly her to the destination while me and my salty friends sail the boat and 
experience all the good and less good of voyaging under sail.

Martin
Calypso
1971 C&C 43, hull #1
Seattle

From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 5:52 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure

The stops on my boat work well and prevent exactly the kind of thing that 
happened to you.
As for your wife..not sure I have a fix for that that 
doesn't involve a lot of money.
If it makes you feel any better, my wife has over the years put up with  - 
sometimes with good humor and sometimes not -
A failed fuel pump that I fixed with an outboard squeeze bulb. She had to 
squeeze the whole way home or steer while I squeezed. SQUEEZE HARDER DON'T LET 
IT GO SOFT was yelled frequently to encourage maintenance of fuel pressure :)
An engine that died on the last day of our cruise about 10 yards from the 
mooring. This then entailed putting the engine in the dinghy, dragging it up on 
the dock, and using a tree to hoist it into her car. Everything was going great 
until the A4- lacking a front oil seal - dumped a quart of oil in her car. This 
same cruise involved several days with a heat index around 108-110 and 100% 
humidity at night. We tried watching a movie at night in the cockpit for more 
air and 1,000 moths landed on the TV.  And then the engine was in the shop and 
my basement for 2 months getting fixed.
A fuel fill hose that popped a leak and dumped several gallons of gas into the 
bilge.
A bilge pump that for some reason - after a decade of good service - decided to 
siphon INTO the boat

Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire failure + wife issues

[Joel Aronson]

Stay away from the Catalina's!

Joel Aronson


On Sep 12, 2012, at 8:39 PM, "djhaug...@juno.com" 
wrote:

Yea, I think she is more pissed off than anything.  "we wasted the whole
summer and it still needs work!"  I told I didn't mind working on the boat
but, she does!  LOL

Okay.
I got the wire and chain back on the sprocket with not too much effort and
the things moved nicely, as they are supposed to.  Took most of my time
getting the 4th compass bolt out...I'll be replacing them.
I didn't like the looks of it all the chain wasn't bad but, dry and it
looked old.  I got it off pretty easily and I'll get a new chain and wire
assembly.
The stops...not great...they were another hack job.  I'll be beefing them
up this fall after she gets hauled.  I'll post some pics in the morning.
I'm not too sure how great they came out.
I did take a swim and all looks fine down there.  One of my zincs has come
loose.  I'm betting that is the cause of the vibration.  I'll have to dive
again with an allen wrench and either tighten it up or remove it (I have
two on there.   One in front and one behind the strut).
Hopefully I can get all my parts tomorrow and install on friday and I'll be
able to sail this weekend.  it supposed to be pretty calm.  8 to 10 knots
and 1ft seas.

The newport boat show is this weekend as well.  we'll probably be hitting
that too.
Danny



-- Original Message --
From: Martin DeYoung 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire failure + wife issues
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 18:21:11 +

Another spooking the wife at sea story:



Delivering a C&C 39 back from Hawaii in 1979, my wife’s first Pacific
crossing, we experienced:



Refrigeration failure and loss of food (ended up rationing food for 2 weeks)

Galley fire (2 dry chemical ext. to put it out)

A4 engine failure (middle of taking a short cut through the NE Pac. High
i.e. very light wind)

Water shortage (had 24 days of water took 29 to land in Seattle)



We did have some magical days and nights of gentle sailing while working
our way out of the NE Pacific high.  All on board survived the trial and
tribulations but comfort was sacrificed



My best sales job to date was convincing her to make another trip (Honolulu
to San Francisco) in 1981.



How to regain her confidence in an older C&C for anything more than a light
air day trip? Hell’if I know.  Failed that test myself.  I’m wired for
adventure sailing, local or long distance.  She’s wired for comfort and
social sailing/boating.



Best ideas I have come up with in over 30 years of working on the problem
is to fly her to the destination while me and my salty friends sail the
boat and experience all the good and less good of voyaging under sail.



Martin

Calypso

1971 C&C 43, hull #1

Seattle
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*From:* cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
*On Behalf Of *Della Barba, Joe
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 12, 2012 5:52 AM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure



The stops on my boat work well and prevent exactly the kind of thing that
happened to you.

As for your wife..not sure I have a fix for that that doesn’t
involve a lot of money.

If it makes you feel any better, my wife has over the years put up with  -
sometimes with good humor and sometimes not –

A failed fuel pump that I fixed with an outboard squeeze bulb. She had to
squeeze the whole way home or steer while I squeezed. SQUEEZE HARDER DON’T
LET IT GO SOFT was yelled frequently to encourage maintenance of fuel
pressure J

An engine that died on the last day of our cruise about 10 yards from the
mooring. This then entailed putting the engine in the dinghy, dragging it
up on the dock, and using a tree to hoist it into her car. Everything was
going great until the A4- lacking a front oil seal – dumped a quart of oil
in her car. This same cruise involved several days with a heat index around
108-110 and 100% humidity at night. We tried watching a movie at night in
the cockpit for more air and 1,000 moths landed on the TV.  And then the
engine was in the shop and my basement for 2 months getting fixed.

A fuel fill hose that popped a leak and dumped several gallons of gas into
the bilge.

A bilge pump that for some reason – after a decade of good service –
decided to siphon INTO the boat and caused my wife to step into almost
knee-deep water around 0200 when she got up to use the head.

More engine malfunctions than I can count until I finally gave the damn
thing away and got another one. My wife actually accused me of LIKING these
issues because one day I was dancing around yelling “I AM A GOD OF ENGINES”
after a successful MacGyver fix of some ignition malfunction.



Even brand new boats have all kinds of issues. Anyone who buys a used boat
or airplane has a year or two of getting everything fixed and even then it
is always an adventure. A lot of cash will get you a new b

Re: Stus-List Running a wire down the mast

[Joel Aronson]

TackTick?

Joel Aronson


On Sep 12, 2012, at 8:47 PM, tim  wrote:

  Hi,

   I'm in the process of replacing the annometer on top of my mast.When
up there (I'm on a mooring), I cut the existing communications wire, for
which slipped out of my hands and went down the mast.  Oh no (grumbling).
Seeking advice for what is the best way to run a new wire down the mast w/o
unstepping.  I cant tell if the mast is stuffed with foam.  The existing
wire was relatively hard to pull out the bottom of the mast.

Thanks for your thoughts and advice.

Tim Welsh
1976 29' Mk1 S/V Sly Fox
Malletts Bay, VT.

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Re: Stus-List Running a wire down the mast

[Martin DeYoung]

Tim,

Take a look back in the cnc-list archives as there was several discussions of 
mast wiring in the last few months.  Select the archive list by topic and the 
search will go fast.  Maybe one of the suggestions will work out for you.

Martin
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of tim
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 5:48 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Running a wire down the mast

Hi,

   I'm in the process of replacing the annometer on top of my mast.When up 
there (I'm on a mooring), I cut the existing communications wire, for which 
slipped out of my hands and went down the mast.  Oh no (grumbling).  Seeking 
advice for what is the best way to run a new wire down the mast w/o unstepping. 
 I cant tell if the mast is stuffed with foam.  The existing wire was 
relatively hard to pull out the bottom of the mast.

Thanks for your thoughts and advice.

Tim Welsh
1976 29' Mk1 S/V Sly Fox
Malletts Bay, VT.
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Re: Stus-List Reverse Flow on Transom Bilge Outflow

[Gary Russell]

My experience with check valves is not good.  It dramatically reduces the
flow rate and can fail.  The loop is free and it works without restricting
the flow rate.
Gary
S/V Expresso
'75 C&C 35 Mk ii


On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:32 AM,  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> A loop is a good idea, a vented loop even better, but a cost effective
> solution would be to install a simple check valve.  If it is installed down
> near an automatic pump, then you have the added benefit of the valve
> keeping the hose water from filling back into the bilge after the pump
> shuts off.
>
> I have also seen boats which use only one hose for both electric bilge
> pumps and deck mounted hand bilge pumps (like the Whale Gusher 10).   That
> is, the electric bilge pump hose is routed to the hand pump and then out .
>  This set up is nice as the hand pump acts like a check valve allowing
> water to flow only out, and it uses only one through hole.
>
>
> -
> Paul E.
> s/v Johanna Rose
> Carrabelle, FL
>
> On Sep 12, 2012, at 8:53 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>
> WE had a race years ago, where we sucked water into the manual bilge pump
> going 10+ kts downwind under the kite.  Had to run the electric and hand
> pump to get the water to go back out again, made me think that you might
> need one of those vacuum breaks in the bilge pump outflow.  Any lister
> tried those?
>
> ALEX GIANNELIA
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Running a wire down the mast

[Dennis C.]

I run halyards and wires in masts several times a year.  Ouse a 6-8 inch piece 
off bicycle chain and 50 lb monofilament fishing line. At the bottom, my helper 
has a coat hanger hook and a hemostat. 

Dennis C. 
Touché 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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On Sep 12, 2012, at 7:47 PM, "tim"  wrote:

> Hi,
>  
>I'm in the process of replacing the annometer on top of my mast.When 
> up there (I'm on a mooring), I cut the existing communications wire, for 
> which slipped out of my hands and went down the mast.  Oh no (grumbling).  
> Seeking advice for what is the best way to run a new wire down the mast w/o 
> unstepping.  I cant tell if the mast is stuffed with foam.  The existing wire 
> was relatively hard to pull out the bottom of the mast.
>  
> Thanks for your thoughts and advice.
>  
> Tim Welsh
> 1976 29' Mk1 S/V Sly Fox
> Malletts Bay, VT.
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Re: Stus-List ST4000 wheel drive problem

[Eric Frank]

Hi Derek,

Don't get rid of the LCD control unit if that is still working.  You can buy a 
new wheel on ebay as another lister mentioned.  That's because when the LCD 
drive unit fails, you have to buy a new wheel, new fluxgate compass, new LCD 
monitor (which requires a bigger hole) and a "computer" that now is required.  
Total cost is about $1450, although I got it all from Defender for about $1000.

The wheel (a new gray one, which is perfectly compatible with your old display) 
costs about $400-500 US on ebay.  Raymarine won't fix the old display, so they 
make you buy an entirely new unit - the pieces are not available separately.  
So that's why you will see just the wheels and just the flux gate compasses on 
ebay.  I bought a new wheel on ebay when my old wheel failed (like yours) but 
then my LCD display failed this spring, so I had to buy the whole new package.  
I then had a brand new spare wheel and compass.  Because of all this, I bet you 
could sell a working but old LCD control unit for several hundred dollars.  I 
would have bought it in a flash.  The new unit certainly has more features and 
settings, and has accelerometers as well as the flux gate compass, but the old 
unit worked fine for my purposes.

Bill Walker, who wrote you about his similar problem, fixed his old wheel as he 
described, and it works fine.  I sent him my new wheel in response to his 
questions on the list (I had already replaced the old one with one I bought on 
ebay) and in return went sailing with him this summer.  A nice guy, and his 
repair has worked fine, so he hasn't used the wheel I gave him.  I would try 
fixing yours the way he describes.

Let me know if you need more information, but do contact Bill - very helpful 
guy.

Good luck,

Eric

Eric Frank
Cat's Paw
C&C 35 Mk II
Mattapoisett, MA


> On Sep 12, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Tortuga  wrote:
> 
>   During our last sail, the wheel drive for the Autohelm ST4000 on
> our 1979 30 mk1 stopped engaging. When I moved the drive lever into the
> engage position it seemed to not catch, although it stayed in position.
> The unit was clicking away but the wheel was not engaged.
>   I put a note on the Raymarine tech forum, asking whether I
> should take the wheel drive apart. I received a reply, asking "What
> color is the wheel drive, Black or Gray?" I replied that I thought it
> was black faded to dark gray.
>   I received another reply, "There is no adjustment on black wheel
> drives, and unfortunately no parts available any longer as well.
> Sometimes with those symptoms, changing the belt might help, again there
> are no parts available but there is a company…"
>   I took the wheel drive apart and found that the cam mechanism
> was rotating on the shaft connecting it to the drive lever Once there
> were 2 pins which passed through the cam and the shaft to prevent the
> cam from free-rotating. They had been worn down or snapped off. The
> remains were still lodged in the shaft. 
>   As a temporary fix, I cut 2 thin brads to length and shoved them
> through the cam and shaft, then placed them both back into the drive
> wheel assembly, jammed the wheel drive back together and put the drive
> lever back on. 
>   I haven't had a chance yet to try it out because of the winds
> and rain from Leslie.  
>   I have contacted CMC Electronics to ask about a replacement
> drive eccentric assembly. I was told someone there will call me back. 
>   My apologies if this has been discussed too many times before.
> Is it a common problem? What are my chances of finding a replacement
> assembly? 
> 
>   Thanks
>   Derek Kennedy
>   C&C 30 mk 1
>   Ballantyne's Cove, NS
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Re: Stus-List What C&C do you have

[Colin Kilgour]

Dwight,

Many on the list will know Bojangles IV as my Gulfstar 50, currently
based in Tortola, but generally transient since Sep 2009.

If I can figure out how to put an email signature on my gmail, I'll do
that so that the guys who don't know me can put some context together.

If anyone's interested (Edd?) our long outdated blog of our Caribbean
cruising is at www.sailbojangles.ca. We also have some photo montages
on youtube (search Bojangles IV Caribbean adventure)

Cheers
Colin Kilgour
Bojangles IV
Gulfstar 50 ketch
Toronto - Currently on a ball in Tortola, BVI

(Former owner of BIBENDUM, C&C 33-II)


On 9/12/12, Mark G  wrote:
>
> I've seen my older posts to this list when I included my full name,
> location, boat model and hull number come up in Google searches.  That's why
> I no longer do it.
>
> Mark
>
> - Original Message -
> From: dwight veinot 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Sent: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 16:33:55 - (UTC)
> Subject: Stus-List What C&C do you have
>
> Alex and others
>
> I don't know if it violates any rules or what others may feel but I really
> like it when folks sign their emails to this list and include boat name,
> year and model and also location or yacht club.  Lots are already doing it
> and hopefully more others will too...helps with getting to know people who
> you may never meet and its nice to know where folks do their sailing...like
> I didn't know until I read Chuck's post today that folks swim in the ocean
> well into October in Atlantic City...I figure it's pretty busy on the water
> around where he is sailing
>
> thanks
>
> Dwight Veinot
> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
> On Behalf Of Alex Giannelia
> Sent: September 12, 2012 1:20 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List Reverse Flow on Transom Bilge Outflow (Gary Russell)
>
> Thanks Gary and good to hear from you again!  I will definitely do that,
> the
> exhaust already does that and someone told me I should put one of those
> vacuum breaks on it, so that is why I thought about it.
>
> My 6 year "deck restoration" project is slowly coming to an end
>
> ALEX GIANNELIA
>
> Phone (416) 203-9858
> Fax   (416) 203-9843
> Cell   (416) 529-0070
>
> email: a...@airsensing.com
> WEB: www.airsensing.com
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Newly Aquired CnC 25 MKII

[Colin Kilgour]

For hatches, I second Bob's recommendation for Hammerhead.

Website is hatchrepair.com

Yes the hatch oem is A&H, but they are really expensive.  The dude at
Hammerhead is an ex-A&H employee and does good work.

Cheers
Colin


On 9/8/12, Brent Driedger  wrote:
> It's a crappy job but the hours put in will save you misery down the road.
> Re-bed the toe rail. Find a friend and the two of you remove it from tip to
> tail. Clean the surfaces very well. Place butyl tape on the toe rail and
> re-apply. I used 1/8 butyl on mine and its been squishing out a little every
> year since. 1/16 may be better. It can be bought at any window supplier,
> adhesive supplier or RV centre.  Stay away from silicone at all costs. It is
> a sealant only, not an adhesive and it only works were the joint is not
> exposed to the weather. Exposed silicone will collect dirt and peel off
> within a year or two. If you need to silicone seal a fitting, place the goo
> on it, tighten the fitting just a bit and let it harden, then tighten it all
> up later. Think of it as a gasket material only. For a stronger adhesive
> bond use a polyurethane like 3M 4200. This stuff sets up fairly hard but can
> be removed. Stay away from 3M 5200 as it will never come apart.
>
> Cheers
>
> Brent Driedger
> C&C 27-V
> s/V Wild Rover
>
>
>
> On 2012-09-08, at 7:37 PM, Helen Abbott wrote:
>
>> Robert:
>>
>> 1. Use this contact for your hatch repair:
>>
>> gcha...@hhns.ca
>>
>> 2. Butyl tape for the toerail sealant.if the yacht shop doesn't have
>> any, check out the RV dealers.
>>
>> 3. Running rigging.you will figure that out.
>>
>> Bob Abbott
>> AZURA
>> C&C 32 - 84
>> Halifax, N.S.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2012/09/08 5:21 PM, Robert Coffelt wrote:
>>> Being new to this please excuse my inevitable inaccurate use of
>>> nomenclature. I am, however, a retired aircraft mechanic so I do have a
>>> good knowledge of machinery so I'm hoping that will aid me in getting and
>>> keeping my new, to me, boat operating well. I have many questions and
>>> here's a couple to   start.
>>> 1. Hatch repair. I can't find mfg. or model. I do need a new round seal
>>> and the bottom fitting on the extension strut. The fitting is cracked.
>>> The seal is as good as gone. It would also be nice to replace the glass
>>> and be able to see the world through it. I've found various seal
>>> materials on line some out of this world expensive.
>>>
>>> 2. A good sealant for inbd. side of the toe rail. The previous owner has
>>> used West Marine sealant (silicone) and is coming off. Is there a better
>>> product that will last a year or so until I can rebed the toe rails? 3M
>>> 5200 perhaps?
>>>
>>> 3. Good source for lines. The halyards and sheets need replacement. Once
>>> again I've been on line looking. There is such a variety where to start?
>>> I would require type, length, diameter and some splicing information. The
>>> slicing I would leave to a pro.
>>>
>>> That's enough for a start. I'll be using this boat on the Columbia and
>>> Willamette Rivers no salt. I'm a photographer, hobby, and I think this
>>> boat will make a great platform for photographing the wildlife, people,
>>> shipping etc. and just plain exploring. I welcome all knowledge and
>>> opinions on the above.
>>>
>>> Bob C
>>>
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Stus-List Head Trouble

[OldSteveH]

I've had this disgusting problem a few times and attributed it to someone
over-flushing the head, but I think there's a problem with the head:

After a few days post-pump-out the head has back filled with blackwater
while sailing and once while at anchor.
First few times this happened I chalked it up to a guest over-flushing, got
it pumped and went on my way.

The Jabsco head is 3 years old. The system was completely redone by previous
owner.
It was a very well done job, no mickey mouse stuff on the surface, all new
hoses and recommissioned blackwater tank.
I checked the Jabsco manual and all appears to be piped correctly.

The last trip was the last straw. I had to go below every 10 minutes and
scoop some very disgusting water out of the bowl and pour down sink drain
otherwise it would have overflowed. After a couple of hours of this the
shine wears off, believe me.

So - my plan is to take out the pump/valve assembly and look for a failed
seal.
Should the head discharge hose-to-tank have a check valve in it? I think not
because it would become fouled with solids.
I'm aware of principles of siphoning but short of drawing a diagram I don't
think siphoning is the problem.
I can't think of anything besides a failed seal.

Help!


Steve Hood
S/V Diamond Girl
C&C 34
Lions Head ON





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