[CTRL] US Warships Dispatched to Korea

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

U.S. Ship Moves Into Korean Waters

By PAUL SHIN
.c The Associated Press

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) - A U.S. Navy ship sailed into South Korean waters
today, two days after a deadly naval clash between the two Koreas in the
Yellow Sea.

The USS Vincennes left its base in Yokosuka, Japan, on Wednesday and was to
be joined Friday by another guided-missile cruiser, the USS Mobile Bay.

The two ships, carrying a total of 760 crew members, were dispatched to
``contribute to peace in the region'' and will stay in the area until
tensions are reduced, said Lt. Jeff Davis, a U.S. 7th Fleet spokesman.

Two U.S. nuclear-powered submarines - the USS Kamehameha and USS Buffalo -
also arrived at South Korea's main naval base of Chinhae late Wednesday, but
Davis said it was a routine port call not related to the clash.

A small number of additional U.S. EA-6B electronic warfare jets were also
added to existing air patrols, Defense Department spokesman Capt. Mike
Doubleday said in Washington.

But tensions appeared to be easing along the disputed Yellow Sea border off
the Korean peninsula's western coast, as North Korean ships stayed away for
the second straight day.

The disputed zone is a rich crab fishing ground claimed by both Koreas as
their territorial waters. An armistice that ended the 1950-53 Korean War
never outlined the maritime border.

Five North Korean fishing boats were spotted operating on their side of the
border early today, but the ships were not moving south, South Korea's
Defense Ministry said.

``There have been no further provocative North Korean moves,'' ministry
spokesman Brig. Gen. Cha Young-koo said.

Tension that began to build 10 days ago exploded Tuesday when warships of
both Koreas exchanged fire. One North Korean gunboat sank and several others
were heavily damaged. About 30 sailors from the North were believed to have
died, a U.S. defense official said in Washington, speaking on condition of
anonymity.

Seven South Korean soldiers were wounded, none seriously, when two of their
ships were raked by North Korean fire.

Tuesday's confrontation clouded the prospect of a meeting between the two
Koreas, set for Monday in Beijing. The meeting would be the first government
contact between the two rivals in 14 months.

The Beijing meeting was called to discuss aid to the famine-hit communist
country and the reunion of millions of separated family members in the
divided Korean peninsula.

The U.N. Command unilaterally demarcated the sea frontier in 1953 and created
a buffer zone to avoid clashes.

But since the late 1970s, North Korea has been sending fishing boats and
naval ships into the zone 20 to 30 times a year. But when challenged by South
Korean patrol boats, they usually withdraw quickly.

The peninsula was divided into communist North Korea and capitalist South
Korea in 1945. Their border is the world's most heavily armed, with nearly 2
million troops on both sides.

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] Rome and Mecca

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

Two Faiths Eyed in 21st Century

By CARL HARTMAN
.c The Associated Press


WASHINGTON (AP) - Christianity and Islam, and what happens between them, will
set the shape of the next century more than nations will, says Francis
Cardinal George, the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Chicago.

Speaking to a Library of Congress conference on ``Frontiers of the Mind in
the 21st Century,'' he foresaw a decline in the importance of national
governments.

```In the next millennium,'' the cardinal predicted on Wednesday, ``as the
modern nation state is relativized and national sovereignty is displaced into
societal arrangements still to be invented, it will be increasingly evident
that the major faiths are carriers of culture.

And he added:

``The conversation between Christianity and Islam is not yet far advanced,
but its outcome will determine what the globe will look like a century from
now.''

His view of Islam's importance was endorsed by Algerian-born Mohammed Arkoun,
a retired professor of the history of Islamic thought at the Sorbonne in
Paris.

``Islam is important by its human dimensions,'' he said in an interview. `It
covers many societies, from Indonesia and the Philippines to Morocco, from
the Caucasus and Tajikistan to South Africa. Islam is everywhere. Islam and
Christianity are the only two religions which spread all over the world.
Judaism didn't spread. Buddhism spread in Asia...

``That's why it's so essential that a special dialogue, a special exchange
exist between these two religions without of course neglecting the other
religions.

Michael Fishbane, who teaches Jewish studies at the University of Chicago,
criticized what he saw as too much emphasis on Catholicism.

``It unfortunately divides up the globe between Islam and Catholicism,'' he
said after the session. ``It doesn't take into account Taoism, all forms of
Confucianism, all types of Christianity that exist in China and will emerge
in the next century.''

Cardinal George denounced what he called the ``divorce of freedom from
truth'' in the western democracies.

``In the millions of abortions annually,'' he said, ``the divorce of human
reproduction from the embrace of human love, the increased application of the
death penalty, the practice of euthanasia, the conviction that handicapped
people are better off dead, the seemingly indiscriminate and sometimes
disproportionate use of the military, the gun violence in the streets of our
cities and the corridors of our schools - in all these we see the fruits of
what the Pope has called `the culture of Death'..

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] KLA LAUNCHES REVERSE ETHNIC CLEANSING (fwd)

[Bill Kingsbury]

 -Caveat Lector-

  [ 'Our' media tells us the fleeing Serbs are burning
  Kosovar Albanian homes -- while covering for the Albanian
  KLA rebels who are burning the Kosovar Serb's homes to force
  them to flee...   Now, how about all those 'mass graves' --
  are they the graves of Kosovar Serb civilians who have been
  Cleansed by compassionate Clinton's 'NATO allies', the KLA? ]


 -forwarded message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999
 Subj: [RuMills] STRATFOR analysis: FRANKENATO's MONSTER

 From: Jack Perrine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999
 Subj: Another marvelous STRATFOR analysis: FRANKENATO's MONSTER

 [ Another marvelous analysis from STRATFOR that gets down to
 the cold reality of the real world   --Jack ]

 990616

 Frankenato's Monster

 NATO's decision to exploit the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA)
 during Operation Allied Force to maintain pressure on Serbian
 forces on the ground is coming back to haunt it.  While Albania
 helped create the KLA, NATO nurtured it, and now that the KLA
 is running amok, NATO must tame or destroy it.  Much to NATO's
 chagrin, the KLA did not simply accept NATO control over the
 province, lay down its arms, and join the UN sponsored
 political process.  Rather, seizing the opportunity and the
 initiative, the KLA has poured into the province ahead of NATO
 and on the heels of withdrawing Serbs - filling the power
 vacuum and establishing de facto control.  KLA forces have
 seized control of two border crossing points into Albania, as
 well as most of the towns and villages of southern Kosovo
 including nearly all of Prizren.  The KLA has presented its
 own "interim government," and has as yet refused to disarm.
 Worse, multiple sources report the KLA are carrying out
 reprisal attacks against Serbs, burning Serbian homes and
 setting in motion a mass exodus of Serbs from the province.

 NATO has now reportedly negotiated a settlement with the KLA,
 whereby the KLA will be disarmed, though the document will not
 be signed for another three days and it is unknown how long the
 agreement will take to be carried out after that.  In the
 meantime, NATO continues to explain its inability to control
 the KLA and defend ethnic Serbs by arguing that it does not
 have sufficient forces in place to control the province.  In
 fact, refugees report that NATO controls little more than the
 main roads to Pristina.  And to be more precise, it is not
 simply that NATO does not have enough troops to establish a
 presence throughout Kosovo.  NATO does not have enough troops
 to confront and forcibly disarm the KLA throughout Kosovo.

 While the KLA has said it may agree to demilitarization, and
 hand over its heavy weapons, it has steadfastly refused to
 give up small arms.  And why should it?  As far as the KLA
 is concerned, it is the victor.  NATO has confirmed this by
 declaring the Serbs defeated.  The KLA fought, with NATO's
 assistance, for an independent Kosova.  NATO says it won, and
 so the KLA is establishing its independent Kosova.  If NATO
 has different ideas, what is it going to do, go to war against
 the KLA?

 The problem is, while NATO used the KLA, it did not share the
 KLA's goals.  Despite what Serbs believe about Washington's
 insidious desire for a Greater Albania, for the Clinton
 administration, Kosovo was little more than a clumsy and
 distracted attempt to avoid the same condemnation it received
 for failing to respond to claims of genocide in Rwanda.  Now
 it is caught in the potential hypocrisy of presiding over a
 reverse ethnic cleansing in Kosovo and the redrawing of the map
 of the region along ethnic lines.  And even if mysterious dark
 forces in Washington have somehow duped the naïve Stratfor on
 this count, and Clinton actually flies the KLA flag in his
 bedroom, they have not changed the fact that NATO is not merely
 the U.S.  It also includes countries like Greece and Italy,
 who with aspiring NATO member Macedonia are appalled at the
 prospect of either a KLA-dominated independent Kosova or a
 Greater Albania.

 The KLA is a monumental problem for NATO, with the potential to
 divide and discredit the alliance more deeply than the bombing
 campaign.  Not only can NATO politically not afford to live
 down to Belgrade's claims that it was truly fighting to
 dismember Serbia, nor abide the Serbian and Russian military
 responses to a de facto KLA "victory," its individual members
 can not tolerate such a dismemberment or victory either.  That
 said, NATO has now been presented with the prospect that the
 ground casualties it sought so hard to avoid sustaining will
 come, not from the Serbs, but from uncooperative Kosovar
 Albanians.



 ...and we also have these intriguing items from STRATFOR :

 1817 GMT 990616

 Russian UN Ambassador Sergei Lavrov says that the issue of
 KLA demilitarization will be approached at the UN SECURITY
 COUNCIL meeting.  Lavrov said the KLA rebels are "violati

[CTRL] THE REAL VICTORS IN KOSOVO (fwd)

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999
 Subj: ForeignCorrespondent THE REAL VICTORS IN KOSOVO

Foreign Correspondent

  Inside Track On World News
By International Syndicated Columnist & Broadcaster
 Eric Margolis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
www.foreigncorrespondent.com

 THE REAL VICTORS IN KOSOVO
 By
 Eric Margolis  13 June 1999


 Geneva -- Everyone involved in the strange Kosovo conflict is
 claiming victory - except for its chief victims, the Albanians.

 Serbia's ruler, Slobodan Milosevic, has saved his own skin, evaded
 prosecution for war crimes, and managed, at least for now, to keep
 Kosovo, which was 93% Albanian until this year's ethnic terror,
 under Serb sovereignty.  NATO's promises to the Kosovars of a
 future vote on independence have been forgotten in the rush to end
 the war.

 The muddled accord almost certainly assures continued violence in
 Kosovo and a legion of future troubles for the Balkans.  Many of
 the one million Albanian refugees are afraid to return to Kosovo,
 whose borders will remain under Serb military and police control,
 thus cementing Milosevic's terrorism.  Albanians know once NATO
 loses interest in Kosovo, the Serbs will be back.

 Milosevic, who keeps power by creating trouble, will now turn his
 perpetual- motion crisis machine on neighboring Montenegro,
 unstable Macedonia, Bosnia, and Serbia's forgotten Muslim region of
 Sanjak.  He will emerge from the war a hero and inspiration to the
 growing force of racism among Balkan Slavs and the Greeks.

 The `peace' deal is being hailed as a triumph of sensible
 internationalism by the curious, ad hoc alliance of groups that
 opposed the war:  leftists, right-wing isolationists,
 anti-Americans, and Muslim-haters.  Far from a triumph, it is a
 craven surrender to expediency by NATO's weak-willed leaders.  At
 the same time, the western democracies have not only invited Russia
 and China to meddle in the Balkans, they are relying on them as
 `partners in peace.'

 Misery loves company; so do repressive regimes.  It was no
 coincidence semi-communist Russia, and fully communist China,
 sprang to the defense of Serbia, Europe's last communist state.
 Nor that Moscow and Beijing reacted furiously to NATO's
 half-hearted intervention in Kosovo to protect human rights.
 Both are major violators of human rights and persecutors of
 restive minorities.

 Five years ago, the 1.2 million Muslim Chechens rose up against
 250 years of savage Russian oppression.  During World War II,
 80% of Chechens were massacred, starved, or deported en masse in
 railroad cars to concentration camps by Stalin.  To crush Chechen
 resistance, in 1994 Russian carpet bombing and heavy artillery
 killed 50,000 to 100,000 Chechen civilians.  Torture and executions
 were widespread.  Virtually all Chechen cities, towns, and villages
 were leveled in a horrifying prelude to Kosovo.

 Russian parliamentarians recently accused President Boris Yeltsin
 of major war crimes in Chechnya.  Yet this same leader, and the
 same army that committed these atrocities, have been invited by
 NATO to join the Kosovo peacekeeping force.  The Russian
 contingent, which was said to eventually number 10,000 troops, will
 be the second largest military force after the British.  Far from
 keeping peace, the Russians will promote the interests of the
 outlaw Serb regime and, of course, Moscow's own centuries-old
 strategic ambitions in the Balkans, as Russia's seizure of Pristina
 airport showed this weekend.

 China has been enlisted in the `peace process' because its support
 in the UN Security Council is essential for diplomatic cover.  The
 accidental bombing of China's embassy in Belgrade presented Beijing
 with a golden opportunity, which the Chinese immediately seized, to
 put America on the psychological defensive.  China's contrived rage
 over this trivial incident helped distract attention from China's
 theft of US nuclear secrets, and deflected world condemnation over
 the anniversary of the Tienanmen massacre.  Russia and China now
 hold veto power over the UN operation in Kosovo.

 More important, China is currently waging an intensifying campaign
 of repression against the Uighurs, a Turkic Muslim people, the
 majority in China's sensitive western province, Sinkiang --
 formerly Eastern Turkistan.  The Uighurs have rebelled against
 heavy-handed Chinese rule, and Bejing's campaign to swamp the
 region with Han Chinese settlers, repeating the process of Chinese
 ethnic inundation in Inner Mongolia and Tibet.

 China recently executed a score of Uighurs, arrested hundreds of
 suspected nationalists, and imposed martial law in many regions of
 Sinkiang.  While Chinese repression in Tibet has provoked worldwide
 protest, its equally brutal policies in Sinkiang remain almost
 unknown.  Not surprisingly, NATO intervention to save the Kosovars
 from Serb ethnic terror set off a

[CTRL] Kosovo's underground airbase

[Bill Kingsbury]

 -Caveat Lector-

 [ Is this where the Serbs stashed their supply of
 Soviet Inter-Continental Ballistic Missiles (ICBMs),
 technology left behind from the old Soviet Union ?
 Ref: independent reports by Joseph Farah on 4-19-99
  and Sherman H. Skolnick on 4-13-99... ]

from:
http://www.stratfor.com/crisis/kosovo/commentary/c9906121647.htm?section=3


 Possible Goal of Russian Troops

 1647 GMT, 990612

 The race to Pristina may have been significant for more than simple
 political reasons.  In the hills outside Pristina is a massive
 underground airbase, built to withstand both Soviet invasion and
 nuclear bombardment.  The complex is one of the most valuable
 military facilities not only in Kosovo, but also in Yugoslavia as a
 whole.  Yet, under the terms of the UN Security Council resolution,
 it will fall under the control of KFOR.  Given that Yugoslav forces
 hope one day to return to Kosovo, and would prefer not to have to
 rout the KLA or its successor from the airbase, Yugoslav military
 officials may have requested the Russian sprint to Pristina to
 guarantee that the base fell under the control of friendly KFOR
 troops.





.

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] Bush's genealogical chart (from 350 BC)

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

 from:  http://www.totse.com/files/FA020/histchr2.htm
(15 other charts omitted from this excerpt -
 see the footnote, below, for a summary)

 History of the 1st century - genealogical charts

 THE FOLLOWING CHART TRACES THE DESCENT OF THE AMERICAN PRESIDENTS
 'GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH' AND 'FRANKLIN DELANO ROOSEVELT' FROM
 'PHILIP OF MACEDONIA' ( CIRCA 350 B.C.E. ).  DEMONSTRATING DIRECT
 DESCENT FROM THE MAIN CORE OF 'INNER-CICLE' FAMILIES.

 PHILIP OF MACEDONIA
 M. OLYMPIAS & PHILINNA
 _|_
 | |
 LAGOS (THE RABBIT) ALEXANDER THE GREAT
 M. CONCUBINE? M. ROXANNA & STATIRA
 |
 PTOLEMY SOTER 1
 M. BERENICE
 |
 PTOLEMY PHILADELPHUS 2
 M. ARSINOE
 M. CONCUBINE?
 |
 PTOLEMY EUERGETES 3
 M. BERENICE
 |
 PTOLEMY PHILOPATER 4
 M. ARSINOE 3
 |
 PTOLEMY EPIPHANES 5
 M. CLEOPATRA 1
 |
 PTOLEMY PHYSICON 7
 M. CLEOPATRA 2
 M. CLEOPATRA 3
 |
 PTOLEMY LATHYRUS 8
 M. CLEOPATRA 4
 |
 PTOLEMY AULETES 11
 M. EUPATRIA (DAUGHTER OF MITHERIDATES)
 __|_
 | |
 ARSINOE CLEOPATRA 7 (THE CLEOPATRA)
 M. MENNEUS M. JULIUS CAESAR
 | N. MARK ANTONY
 PTOLEMY BAR MENNEUS
 M. CONCUBINE?
 M. ALEXANDRIA REGENT
 |
 MARIAMNE 1
 M. KING HEROD (THE GREAT)
 |
 ARISTOBULUS
 M. BERENICE
 |
 MARIAMNE (ARRIA THE ELDER)
 M. T. FLAVIUS SABINUS 2
 |
 MARIAMNE (CAECINA ARRIA THE YOUNGER)
 M. SILLIUS DOMITIUS
 M. GAIUS CALPERNIUS PISO
 M. LUCIUS CALPERNIUS PISO
 CONTINUED

 MARIAMNE (CAECINA ARRIA THE YOUNGER)
 M. GAIUS CALPERNIUS (CAESONINUS) PISO
 |
 ARRIUS (ANTONINUS) CALPERNIUS PISO (JOSEPHUS)
 M. BOIONIA PROCILLA SERVILIA
 |
 POMPEIA PLOTINA CLAUDIA PHOEBE PISA
 M. CORELIUS RUFUS
 M. TRAJAN (THE EMPEROR)
 |
 DOMITIA LUCILLA 2
 M. JULIANUS CALPERNIUS PISO
 |
 MARCUS AURELIUS (THE EMPEROR)
 M. FAUSTINA 2
 |
 CRISPUS COMMODUS
 M. BRUTTIA CRISPINA
 |
 CLAUDIA CRISPINA
 M. EUTROPIUS
 |
 CLOVIS CONSTANTIUS 1 (CLORUS)
 M. THEODORA
 M. ST. HELENA
 |
 | |
 THE EMPEROR CONSTANTINE 1 (THE GREAT) CONSTANTINA
 M. LICINIUS
 |
 LICINIANUS
 M. CONCUBINE?
 |
 VALENTINIAN 1
 M. JUSTINA
 |
 VALENTINA JUSTINA
 M. THEODOSIUS MAGNUS 1
 |
 'ARCHADIUS' CLAUDIUS CLAUDIANUS
 M. EUDOXIA
 M. SIEGSE
 |
 MEROVECH MEROVEE (THE YOUNG)
 M. CONCUBINE?
 |
 CHIDERICH CLAUDIOS 1
 M. ANDOVERA
 |
 CLOVIS 1
 M. EVOCHILDE
 M. CLOTHILDE

 CLOVIS 1 (d. 511 C.E.)
 M. EVOCHILDE
 M. CLOTHILDA
 |
 CHLOTHAR 1
 M. RADEGUNDA
 |
 CHILPERIC 1
 M. GALSWITHA
 M. FREDEGONDE
 |
 CHLOTHAR 2
 M. ( 3 WIVES )
 |
 DAGOBERT 1
 M. ( 5 WIVES )
 |
 SIGISBERT 3
 M. IMMACHILDE
 |
 DAGOBERT 2
 M. MATHILDE
 M. GISELLE DE RAZES
 |
 SIGISBERT 4
 M. MAGDALA
 |
 SIGISBERT 5
 M. CONCUBINE?
 |
 BERA 3
 M. OLBA
 |
 GUILLAUME
 M. ( 2 WIVES )
 |
 BERA 4
 M. ROMILLE
 |
 ARGILA
 M. REVERGE
 |
 BERA 5
 M. CONCUBINE?
 |
 HILDERIC 1
 M. CONCUBINE?
 |
 SIGISBERT 6 ('PRINCE URSUS')
 M. ROTILDE

 SIGISBERT 6 ('PRINCE URSUS')
 M. ROTILDE
 |
 GUILLAUME 2
 M. IDOINE
 |
 GUILLAUME 3
 M. CONCUBINE?
 |
 ARNAUD
 M. CONCUBINE?
 |
 BERA 6
 M. CONCUBINE?
 |
 SIGISBERT 7
 M. CONCUBINE?
 |
 HUGUES 1
 M. ANNA
 |
 JEAN (JOHN) 1
 M. ISABEL
 |
 HUGUES
 M. AGNES
 |
 EUSTACHE 1
 M. MAHAUDE DE LOUVAIN
 |
 EUSTACHE 2
 M. IDE DE ARDENNES
 |
 BALDWIN 2
 M. CONCUBINE?
 |
 MELISENDE
 M. FULK 5 OF ANJOU
 |
 GEOFFREY PLANTAGENET (THE FAIR) OF ANJOU
 M. MATILDA
 |
 HENRY 2 (KING OF ENGLAND)
 M. ALIX DE PORHOET
 M. ELEANOR OF AQUITAINE
 |
 JOHN (c. 1199-1216) *
 M. ISABELLA OF ANGOULEME

 JOHN (SON OF HENRY 2, c. 1199-1216) *
 M. ISABELLA OF ANGOULEME
 |
 HENRY 3
 M. ELEANOR OF PROVENCE
 |
 EDWARD 1 (c. 1290)
 M. MARGARET OF FRANCE & ELEANOR OF CASTILE
 _|
 | |
 EDWARD 2 (c. 1307-1327) ELIZABTH
 M. M. FERGUS, LORD OF GALLOWAY
 |
 UCHTRED OF GALLOWAY
 M. GUNNILDE OF DUNBAR (DES. ETHELRED 2, d.1016)
 |
 ROLAND, LORD OF GALLOWAY
 M. ELENA DE MORVILLE
 |
 ALAN, LORD OF GALLOWAY
 M. DAUGHTER OF HUGH DE LACY, EARL OF ULSTER
 |
 HELEN OF GALLOWAY
 M. ROGER DE QUINCY (DES. HENRY 1, FR.,d.1060)
 |
 ELIZABETH DE QUINCY
 M. ALEXANDER COMYN, 2ND EARL OF BUCHAN
 |
 ELIZABETH COMYN
 M. GILBERT DE UMFREVILLE
 |
 ROBERT DE UMFREVILLE
 M. LUCY DE KYME
 |
 ELIZABETH DE UMFREVILLE
 M. GILBERT DE BOROGHDON
 |
 ELEANOR DE BOROGHDON
 M. HENRY TALBOYS
 |
 WALTER TALBOYS
 M. MARGRET TALBOYS
 M. JOAN TALBOYS = ANDREW LUTTRELL
 |
 SIR JOHN TALBOYS
 M. AGNES COKEFIELD
 M. HAWISE LUTTRELL = SIR GODFREY HILTON
 |
 JOHN TALBOYS
 M. KATHRINE CIBTHORPE
 |
 MARGARET TALBOYS *
 M. JOHN AYSCOUGH *

 MARGARET TALBOYS *
 M. JOHN AYSCOUGH *
 |
 ELIZABETH AYSCOUGH
 M. WILLIAM BOOTH
 |
 JOHN BOOTH
 M. ANNE THIMBLEBY
 |
 ELEANOR BOOTH
 M. EDWARD HAMBY
 |
 WILLIAM HAMBY
 M. MARGARET BLEWETT
 |
 ROBERT HAMBY
 M. ELIZABETH ARNOLD
 |
 CATHERINE HAMBY OF MASS.
 M. EDWARD HUTCHINSON
 |
 ELISHA HUTCHINSON
 M. HANNAH HAWKINS (1)
 M. ELIZABETH CLARKE (2)
 ___|___
 | |
 EDWARD HUTCHINSON HANNAH HUTCHINSON
 M. LYDIA FOSTER M. JOHN RUCK
 | |
 ELIZABETH HUTCHINSON HANNAH RUCK
 M. NATHANIEL ROBBINS M. THEOPH

[CTRL] RUSSIAN MILITARY'S GROWING ROLE

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

 http://nw3.nai.net/~virtual/sot/unrep.htm


 Military Granted Larger Formal Role
 in Russian Foreign Policy

 1554 GMT, 990615

 Russian President Boris Yeltsin has reportedly approved agreements
 reached at the meeting of the Russian Security Council, which state
 that the Foreign Ministry will coordinate all of Russia's future
 Kosovo activities with other government offices.  According to
 Russian Prime Minister Sergei Stepashin, "Synchronization of the
 performance of the Foreign Ministry, the military, and the
 government is the rigid algorithm whose performance started today."

 First, this is a very public, clear, and appalling admission on the
 part of Stepashin and Yeltsin that a massive rift opened inside the
 Kremlin over Russian foreign policy.  Despite the personal
 assurances of Russian Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov that Russian
 troops would not enter Kosovo without first coordinating with NATO,
 Russian troops did just that, sweeping in ahead of NATO forces and
 seizing Slatina airbase near Pristina.  Just who ordered the
 Russian troops into Kosovo is a matter of some confusion.
 Certainly Russian envoy Viktor Chernomyrdin was out of the loop,
 as, it appears, was Ivanov.  The official Russian story is that
 Yeltsin approved the decision to send troops, but left it up to the
 Russian General Staff to decide the time.  An equally plausible
 option was that the Russian military, sick and tired of the Russian
 moderates' handling of the Kosovo crisis as well as broader foreign
 policy, presented the deployment as a fait accompli to Yeltsin.
 Yeltsin, always the political weathervane, saw which way the wind
 was blowing and embraced the Army's move, promoting the maneuver's
 commander to Colonel General.

 Whatever transpired, the Russian deployment pulled the rug out from
 under the Foreign Ministry, which scrambled as quickly as NATO to
 figure out what had happened.  It then demanded a meeting of
 Russia's Security Council to guarantee that something like this
 does not happen again.  So now, it has been resolved that the
 Foreign Ministry will coordinate all of Russia's future Kosovo
 activities with other government offices.  A victory for the
 Foreign Ministry and Russia's moderates?  Not likely.  The Foreign
 Ministry did not have its demands met in the Security Council
 meeting -- the Defense Ministry did.

 One of the basic principles of civilian governments is the
 supremacy of the government over the military.  The civilian
 foreign policy apparatus makes decisions and the military is
 deployed as needed to carry out those decisions.  The military may
 think the civilian leadership is saturated with idiots, but it
 obeys orders.  Now, in Russia, the Foreign Ministry must coordinate
 all future Kosovo activities with the Defense Ministry.  Far from
 reining in the Russian military, this agreement gives the military
 a significant formal say in Russian foreign policy.  What should
 have been considered a massive overstep of the political process
 and the chain of command -- with the Russian commander in Kosovo
 court martialed, not promoted -- instead has resulted in the
 elevation of the military in the Russian political process.


 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 © 1998, 1999 Stratfor, Inc. All rights reserved.





.

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] The Balkan Trap and the Russian Right

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

 from:  http://nw3.nai.net/~virtual/sot/unrep.htm

 The Balkan Trap, by J. Adams

 Below is an editorial I wrote for my school newspaper that was
 published in February of 1994 under the title:  "Involvement With
 Serbia Will Trigger World War Three".  I'm presenting here even
 though it is five-years-old because the main points and the
 arguments made are just as relevant, if not more relevant, today as
 they were five years ago.  The only thing which might be different
 is my conviction is much less today that Vladimir Zhirinovsky will
 necessarily be the nationalist dictator brought to power in a
 Russian coup.  It could be some other candidate like Russian Prime
 Minister Yevgeny Primakov (which would be through a palace coup).

 ---

  The Balkan Trap

By J. Adams
  February, 1994

 -

"If we presume the coming transformation of the Communist
Party into the Russian Orthodox Party of the Soviet Union,
we would obtain truly the ideal state, one which would
fulfill the historical destiny of the Russian people.  It
is a question of the Orthodoxization of the entire world."

(Gennadii Shimanov)

"The messianic significance of Russia in relation to the
West is beyond doubt.  Slavophilism alone can still save
the West from parliamentarism, unbelief, and dynamite."

 (Aleksei Kireev)

   (Quotes taken from opening page of Alexander Yanov's
   'The Russian Challenge and the Year 2000'.)

 -

 As the West prepares to take military action against the Serbs, the
 world holds its breath wondering what will happen next.  For anyone
 who knows the truth, however, the future is clear. Western military
 intervention in the Balkans is being intentionally provoked by the
 Russian- backed Serbs in order to trigger world war three.

 The general strategy is to provoke the West into taking military
 action against Russia's slavic brethren in order to create a
 pretext for a Zhirinovsky coup and massive Russian military
 aggression against the West.

 Notably, Zhirinovsky visited Serbia the week prior to the current
 crisis and declared that he would consider any action by NATO
 against Serbia an act of war against Russia.  More specifically,
 Zhirinovsky proclaimed:  "If a single bomb falls on Serbia we will
 consider that an attack on Russia".  Last year I wrote an editorial,
 entitled "A Time For War", in which I warned that Russia is
 setting a trap so that, when Western military action is taken
 against the Serbs, "a militant neofacist dictator can be brought to
 power in Russia... That dictator - and I'll even tell you his name:
 Vladimir Zhirinovsky - can then be used to launch a third world war
 against Israel, America, and the Western allies...".  Unfortunately,
 everyone appears to be ignoring the meaning of my editorials as
 well as the implications of "The Zhirinovsky Connection".

 The reason I was able to anticipate the crisis the world is
 currently being drawn into a year ago is because I believe the
 world has been totally deceived.  As I see it, ever since Mikhail
 Gorbachev came to power in the mid-1980's and introduced his "New
 Thinking", Russia has been living by its old thinking in a new and
 far more dangerous form.  One way to explain the unbelievable
 reversal in Russia's behavior over the past decade most likely
 stems from the "Russian Idea".  In his books, 'The Russian New
 Right' (1978), and 'The Russian Challenge and the Year 2000'
 (1987), Sovietologist Alexander Yanov describes an ideological
 transformation that was taking place at the top of the Soviet power
 structure during the 1970's and early 1980's.  This transformation
 stemmed from Russia's historical messianic complex.  According to
 the "New Right", Russia's mission is to save the world from the
 evils of liberalism and democracy by waging an apocalyptic war
 against the West so that a global orthodox dictatorship can be
 established.  Before doing this, however, communism needed to be
 overthrown and the Soviet empire disbanded so that Russia could get
 back to its "spiritual roots".

 As I see it, when Gorbachev rose to power in 1985, the program of
 the Russian Right (Slavophiles), not the Left (Westernizers), began
 to be implemented.  Gorbachev's "New Thinking", based upon the
 Russian Idea, was a long-term plan to bring about exactly what we
 see today:  communism is overthrown, the Soviet empire disbanded,
 and, now that the West is most vulnerable, Russia is about to have
 Zhirinovsky launch world war three.  After the dust settles and the
 West is defeated, Gorbachev will undoubtedly reemerge to power and
 claim he is saving the world from self-destruction. 

[CTRL] Terrorist Attack from Bin Laden Expected

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

bin Laden May Be Planning Attack

By JOHN DIAMOND
.c The Associated Press


WASHINGTON (AP) - Suspected terrorist Osama bin Laden is in the advanced
stages of planning another terrorist operation, U.S. intelligence has
concluded, though the timing and location of the strike are unknown.

A U.S. official who spoke today on condition of anonymity said bin Laden, who
the United States blames as ordering last year's bombings of American
embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, is clearly planning another attack. Last
week, he was placed on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted List of fugitives.

Because of the difficulty of launching an operation at targets in the United
States, bin Laden is expected to focus on targets in poorer countries where
security is weaker, intelligence officials have concluded.

A U.S. official said there have been indications in recent weeks that bin
Laden has been moving unspecified materials that could be used in a terrorist
attack, and that U.S. facilities in African nations, such as Ghana or
Mozambique, could be targets.

But the official stressed that there is no clear intelligence on the timing
or target of any impending attack.

CIA Director George Tenet said in February ``there is not the slightest
doubt'' that bid Laden, ``his worldwide allies, and his sympathizers are
planning further attacks against'' the United States ``at any time.''

``We are anticipating bombing attempts ... but his operatives are also
capable of kidnappings and assassinations,'' Tenet said.

ABC-TV quoted U.S. intelligence officials Wednesday as saying they believe
Bin Laden is suffering from Marfan's syndrome, an illness that would put him
at risk of having a stroke.

But an official discounted the notion that any illness bin Laden suffers may
be causing the exiled Saudi to accelerate his plans for any terrorist action.

Bin Laden, an exiled Saudi millionaire, has openly declared his hostility to
the United States for its support of Israel and for the presence of U.S.
troops in the Persian Gulf region.

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] "War Crimes" Inquiry Delayed

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

  NATO (meaning the US and Britain) rushes to get to the scene of alleged
"atrocities" BEFORE the UN investigators.
 Their invasion of the crime scene suggests "tampering with the
evidence."


War Crimes Tribunal Probes Delayed

By ANTHONY DEUTSCH
.c The Associated Press

THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) - With efforts to establish a peacekeeping
headquarters in limbo and refugees flooding back to Kosovo, the war crimes
tribunal for Yugoslavia said Wednesday it has been forced to delay
investigations.

Speed is essential for the U.N. court, which had hoped to have investigators
in the region two days ago.

Deputy prosecutor Graham Blewitt warned that evidence of atrocities in the
region may be destroyed if crime scenes aren't swiftly and properly secured.
If work is substantially delayed and winter comes to the region early, some
evidence may never be found, he said.

Blewitt said he hopes investigators will be able to begin on-site operations
within two days.

Causing the delay are troubles the Kosovo peacekeeping force has had in
setting up its headquarters, where at least 150 tribunal investigators are
supposed to be housed.

The Russians' presence at Pristina airport, the planned headquarters site,
has prevented the peacekeepers from setting up there. Tension between NATO
and Russia heightened Wednesday, with Moscow saying it had sent a third batch
of troops to the airport,

Blewitt told reporters the mass return of refugees to Kosovo and the influx
of journalists also could pose problems by causing evidence about atrocities
to be damaged or discredited.

``Any person who arrives at a crime scene and starts picking up the evidence
and interfering with it compromises our ability,'' he said. ``It makes it
easier for an accused ... to say it was planted.''

Once in Kosovo, tribunal investigators will seek evidence to buttress refugee
reports of mass murders, rapes and the plundering of homes and property. The
allegations led to last month's indictments of Yugoslav President Slobodan
Milosevic and four senior associates on charges of crimes against humanity.

Blewitt said the charges against Milosevic and the eventual indictments of
others meant ``a change of government is going to be inevitable in
Yugoslavia.''

The tribunal hopes to eventually have 12 to 14 teams of about 10 people each
operating throughout Kosovo. Some 40 forensic experts from the United States,
Britain, France, Sweden, Norway and the Netherlands have already agreed to
aid the court, Blewitt said.

Time is of the essence.

``When winter comes and the snow starts to fall, that puts an end to any
ability to collect or observe the evidence on the ground,'' he said. He
stressed that bullet casings, shell fragments and human remains need to be
gathered swiftly.

Although most of the investigators are waiting to begin their work, there are
already a few tribunal staffers in Kosovo setting up basic facilities without
a permanent base of operations.

Kosovo peace force troops, meanwhile, are themselves securing sites - a job
the tribunal had anticipated doing itself.

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] Mindcontrol Email list under mindcontrol example 2

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

Assistant List Moderator Jim Drapeou of a mindcontrol list
likes to control what people, hes working to discredit victims who tell their
stories.
I recently wrote:
<< Who said it was a flame? Are you saying my opinions are flame. Im highly
 insulted,
 I see your agenda, only views to discredit mindcontrol victims allowed
 everyone elses opinions dont count.
 =
 He writes back:
"Personal opinion is ok.
 However, your comments were nothing more
 than an outright attack on Gene.
 This constitutes a flame, which there is
 zero tolerance for on this list.
 Jim Drapeou
 Assistant List Moderator [MC]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] "

So I wrote to Jim:
"Now Jim I know youre opinoins are valid from your view point just a Chistian
views are as valid as a Jews just as an Afrcan American s views are as valid
as a Caucasian. Some people believe that thier opinions from thier
perspectives are more valid than others or somehow are more correct. Is the
glass half empty or is it half full?
No from my perspective expressing my views are not flames and when a person
believes that someones opinions or suggestions for professional help are
insultive it may be  a sign of  a serious illness like paranoia or denail. We
must look into
ourselves  for our own  implants
 http://members.tripod.com/~mdars/delga2b.htm">http://members.tripod.com/
~mdars/delga2b.htm

or that inner voice which may not even be our own, see our anger and
hostility at the things we dont understand, like to pretend arent real.
Then when we grasp reality firmly perhaps we should take medicine if we
feel that people who express thier opions are wrong.
 Dr. Mengelee thought all Jewish people were not capable of expressing thier
opinions but I think people in concentration camps had valid opinions becuase
its wrong to experiment on people from my perspective. I would never tell a
vicitm of Dr.Mengelee that he was a liar nor would I tell a soldier who
liberated a camp that he
was a liar or his opinions were wrong or say that that his views on a
discussion list were flames. Dr Mengelee might want me to follw the rules set
up by his particular medical code but I would disagree."

But  Again my opinions have been censored  by a mindcontrol email list by the
assistant list moderator:
<>

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] "Gun Control," Pentagon Style

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

U.S. Ammunition Sold to Civilians

By TOM RAUM
.c The Associated Press


WASHINGTON (AP) - Some 100,000 rounds of armor-piercing ammunition were
transferred from the military to the civilian market over the past year, a
congressional study found.

The transfer was done under a government program set up to help the military
dispose of surplus and obsolete ammunition, said the study released Wednesday
by the Democratic minority of the House Government Reform Committee.

The report said the Pentagon sells surplus .50-caliber shells designed for
long-range military sniper weapons for $1 a ton to a West Virginia
manufacturing company.

Talon Manufacturing dismantled 98 percent of the rounds for scrap, but it
refurbished the remaining 2 percent and offered them for sale, including to
foreign military and civilian buyers, the report said.

``The sale of armor piercing ammunition in the civilian market poses a threat
to public safety,'' said the report, while acknowledging that no laws are
being violated.

The Colombian and Brazilian military were listed by the report as Talon's
foreign military customers, purchasing a total of 203,000 rounds over the
past year. The company also refurbished and sold back to the U.S. military
35,000 rounds, the report said.

``We're doing nothing wrong. I'm not sure what the issue is,'' said John
Connor, a Talon executive.

The company also issued a written statement saying its operations ``are
conducted according to contract and or appropriate statutory or regulatory
requirements.''

``Talon does not buy ammunition from the government but is paid by the
government to demilitarize ammunition as established by contract,'' the
statement said, disputing the report's claim that the government sells the
surplus ammunition for $1 a ton.

Rep. Rod Blagojevich, D-Ill., who with Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif.,
commissioned the study, said the program allowing high-powered ammunition to
pass from the military into civilian hands may not be illegal - but should
be.

``This shows an unhealthy relationship between the Pentagon and gun
dealers,'' Blagojevich said.

The report was based partly on an undercover investigation by the General
Accounting Office, the investigative branch of Congress.

It said one unidentified dealer boasted in a tape-recorded conversation that
the ammunition would ``go through six inches of steel up to a 45-degree angle
at 1,000 yards'' and could easily go through bulletproof glass or an armored
limousine.

Despite its firepower, .50-caliber ammunition is virtually unregulated, the
report said.

``The investigation showed that the U.S. military is indirectly arming
civilians with some of the most powerful and destructive ammunition currently
available,'' the report said.

Talon is permitted to refurbish the ammunition and sell it in the civilian
market under the Department of Defense's Conventional Demilitarization
Program.

Talon has an exclusive agreement with the Pentagon. From the 98 percent of
.50-calibre ammunition that it dismantles for scrap the company manufactures
an explosive used in road construction, the report said.

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] IMF Banker Negotiated Kosovo Peace

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

Banker Worked On Kosovo Diplomacy

By TONY CZUCZKA
.c The Associated Press


BONN, Germany (AP) - An investment banker with ties to Russia went on a
secret mission to Belgrade in May as part of diplomatic efforts to persuade
Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic to accept a peace plan for Kosovo, a
German official said Wednesday.

The London banker, Peter Castenfelt, met Milosevic with the consent of Russia
and Germany shortly before Yugoslavia agreed June 3 to the peace plan
presented by official mediators, according to two men involved in the
diplomatic effort.

One of those two, German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder's foreign policy
adviser, Michael Steiner, said he met Castenfelt before and after the
banker's seven-day trip to Belgrade starting May 29. Steiner said Castenfelt
had only a limited impact and had no mandate to negotiate peace terms.

``It would be naive to believe that Milosevic only needed new explanations in
order for him to say: Now I'm ready to make peace,'' Steiner said Wednesday.

Two main factors persuaded the Yugoslav leader to give in, Steiner said.

``One was the military pressure, which increased sharply in the final
phase,'' he said. ``The second element was that Moscow signaled very clearly
that (Milosevic) could not count on military or political support.''

A second man involved in the diplomatic effort, Karl Kaiser, said Wednesday
that the mission helped secure the agreement reached by Milosevic and Martti
Ahtisaari, the Finnish president and European Union peace envoy.

Kaiser was a foreign policy adviser to Schroeder during his election
campaign. He said he introduced Castenfelt to Steiner and Wolfgang Ischinger,
a senior German Foreign Ministry official.

Castenfelt has acted as an intermediary between the International Monetary
Fund and Russia in the past, Kaiser said. His connection to Russia helped him
in his meeting with the Yugoslav president, Kaiser said.

``Castenfelt helped explain positions that Milosevic subsequently agreed
to,'' he said. ``We paved the way.''

Castenfelt tried to put peace conditions set out by Western powers and Russia
in a positive light for Milosevic, Kaiser said.

He stressed, for example, that the international force being sent to Kosovo
was under a United Nations mandate, something Milosevic had demanded, Kaiser
said.

Castenfelt, who reportedly met Milosevic once during his stay, also discussed
efforts by diplomats to coordinate crucial details about the pullout of
Yugoslav forces from Kosovo, the end of NATO's air war and the arrival of the
international peacekeeping force, Kaiser said.

Castenfelt could not be reached for comment on his reported diplomatic
efforts.

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] More Mass Graves

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

Mass Grave Probe Opens in Sri Lanka

BY GEMUNU AMARASINGHE
.c The Associated Press

JAFFNA, Sri Lanka (AP) - Workers began digging Wednesday at a suspected site
of a mass grave thought to hold the remains of nearly 300 minority Tamils who
disappeared while in military custody three years ago.

Relatives of the missing people watched the excavation together with five
Western observers, including a representative from Amnesty International.

The Sri Lankan government ordered the digging after a soldier convicted last
year of the rape and murder of a Tamil family told judges he had helped bury
the victims of other soldiers.

The convicted soldier, Lance Cpl. Somaratne Rajapakse, was brought in
handcuffs to the excavation site. Raising his right hand, he pointed out
spots where he claimed to have helped bury the bodies.

More than 58,000 people have been killed in fighting between the government
and Tamil Tiger rebels since 1983. The rebels have been fighting to establish
a separate homeland for Sri Lanka's minority Tamils, accusing the majority
Sinhalese of widespread discrimination in education and jobs.

The rebels seized the Jaffna peninsula at the island nation's northern tip in
1990 and proclaimed a government for more than 1 million people, mostly
Tamils, living in northern Sri Lanka.

The army recaptured the area in 1996 after a 50-day offensive, and some 600
Tamils disappeared while in military custody. The army has been in control of
the area since then, but rebels continue intermittent attacks from
surrounding jungles.

A Jaffna court on Wednesday permitted Sri Lanka's Justice Ministry to start
the excavation at Chemmani near Jaffna, 185 miles north of Colombo, the Sri
Lankan capital.

Amnesty International had accused the government of stalling the digging, but
the government blamed delays on floods and difficulty in finding specialists.

Investigators said that during two hours of digging Wednesday, workers found
part of a human body - a man's knee.

The army said it had cleared the area of land mines, which are used both by
the rebels and the army.

The digging will resume Thursday.

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] Marines vs KLA

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

 "``We are enforcing peace in Kosovo and the mandate says all personnel
will be disarmed,'' Eiland said."
 That's NOT what the mandate says, by expert reading -- but the KLA is
now the biggest threat to peace in Kosovo, and NATO permitting more
"atrocities" to occur in an "ethnic cleansing" of Serb civilians, with Serb
refugees in the tens of thousands, with the UN present as observers, would be
just TOO embarrassing for the US ...


U.S. Marines Disarm KLA Group

ZEGRA, Yugoslavia (AP) - U.S. Marines were forced to take weapons away from
about 200 Kosovo Liberation Army fighters on Wednesday in one of the Marines'
first peacekeeping activities in Kosovo.

Marines from Company K, Battalion Landing Team 38, negotiated with the group
in this village 30 miles southeast of the provincial capital of Pristina, but
the rebels were unwilling to give up their weaponry, said Capt. David Eiland.

The fighters relented under threat from armored personnel carriers and Cobra
attack helicopters. Six leaders of the KLA group were taken away in handcuffs
near the farming village of Zegra, said Eiland.

``In the end, we had to physically take their weapons away from them,'' he
said. ``They did not want to surrender their weapons. Their leaders would not
let them do it and we had to deploy Marines to take the weapons away from
them.''

No one was injured during the confrontation.

``We are enforcing peace in Kosovo and the mandate says all personnel will be
disarmed,'' Eiland said.

``We draw no lines. We treat everyone the same, regardless if it's KLA, if
it's Albanian, if it's Serbian, it does not matter to us,'' he said. ``We
will disarm the people who have weapons.''

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] Bush's genealogical chart (from 350 BC)

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 99-06-17 04:50:33 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> from:  http://www.totse.com/files/FA020/histchr2.htm
>(15 other charts omitted from this excerpt -
> see the footnote, below, for a summary)

What a crock.  This "genealogy" combines a phony Piso/Herodian link (courtesy
of "Reuchlin"'s anti-Christian argument) with a totally unsupportable
Claudian-Merovingian link (courtesy of PoS propagandists) and then weaves in
elements from Settipani's speculative and highly debatable B.C. genealogy.
Two frauds + a wild guess.

Nearer to home, if there IS a Roosevelt-Bush link, I'd like to see any
evidence for it.

Posted to any genealogy newsgroup, this would raise gales of disdainful
laughter.

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] Milocevic, take a bow.

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

What hath Milocevic wrought?  Since taking power 12 years ago,
he's accomplished a great deal for his people.  He's started
and lost four wars.  He's overseen the total breakup of the
old Republic of the Southern Slavs, 'balkanized' into its
constituent components.  He's seen Serbs expelled from those
breakaway states by the hundreds of thousands, seen thousands
more suffer from atrocities at the hands of vengeful non-Serbs
in retribution for the atrocities of Serb soldiers and militias.
He's given the remaining Serbs a land that's shrunken, shattered,
impoverished, emasculated, isolated, reviled; its infrastructure
destroyed; its fields and waters poisoned; its literati purged;
its role as a regional power minimized.  He's fucked the Serbs.

Could one man be this incompetent, all on his own?  Was he
driven only by a greed for power, to transform himself from a
communist aparatchik into a suicidal nationalist?  Or has he
achieved his goal: the denaturing of Serbia?  Who does he work
for, really?  Whose interests are served by turning the Balkans
into a swarm of microstates; by inserting Mujahadin activists
and NATO soldiers into Southeast Europe; by demonstrating that
Russia is defanged, impotent, irrelevant to European affairs?

For two millennia, the former Yugoslavia was the fault line
between Western and Eastern Europe; for 3/4 of that time, the
knife-edge between Catholic & Orthodox Xianity; for 2/3 of that
time, the spear-point where Islam prods Xianity.  Like Palestine
where the 3 continents of Europe, Asia and Africa converge, the
Balkans are deceptively complex - often a neglected backwater,
sometime the strategic bone of contention between multiple
forces.  Events there are not just of local concern, they echo
and reverberate around the world.  Players there become global
actors.  Who fed Milocevic his script?  Who directed the play?

Milocevic, take a bow.  You've played your part superbly.

* [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.sonic.net/~ric * ICQ# 19633976 *
*
*** SkeptiChat: sliding down the razor-blade of life ***
now featuring SkeptiNews: All The News That's Fit To Question
email INFO or SUBSCRIBE SKEPTICHAT to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] (4/4) InfoWar -- PROMIS, Justice Dept., Mafia, Bush/Clinton

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

 "A.  For reasons of national security right now, judge,
I cannot answer that.
 "Q.  I am not talking about government programs.
I'm talking about private companies.
 "A.  Well, sometimes private companies--. You might not
believe this, but those that you THINK are private are really
owned by the United States government."


Earl Brian Convicted in California

  by J. Orlin Grabbe

 Earl Brian, the man who marketed the stolen
PROMIS software all over the world, has been convicted
of financial fraud.  I reported on Brian's indictment in "Part
27:  Allegations Regarding Vince Foster, the NSA, and
Banking Transactions Spying."
 Brian was convicted on 10 out of 13 counts on
which he was tried.  This occurred despite the efforts of
convicted felon, and former Justice Department attorney,
Webster Hubbell.  Hubbell placed his man in the local
U.S. attorney's office. This attorney was supposed to
ensure that Brian did not get convicted on any of the
charges.  But the jury did their job, and the Justice
Department thus screwed-up their intended screw-up.  And
Brian is going to jail.
 Each count carries a minimum 9 years in prison, so
the 53-year old Brian is facing 90 years in prison.  He is
also under indictment in Canada.
 Think what this means.  Faced with the prospect of
spending the rest of his life in prison, Brian will
undoubtedly want to cut a deal.  If he cuts a deal, he will
necessarily testify against former Attorney General Ed
Meese, as well as Los Angeles mafia mogul George
Pender.
 If Meese and Pender then try to cut deals, they will
testify against George Bush.  This will mean the end of
George Bush's drug-and-arms dealing career.  George
Bush, who recently threw his support to Bob Dole, will go
the way of Bill Clinton and other dodo birds--as well he
should.
 There is a curious thing about this case.  The court
is not releasing any information on which counts Brian was
convicted.  The court is apparently under political pressure
to make the convictions go away.  That's why you haven't
heard about it on some of the media Brian once owned,
such as CNBC. (Brian was the previous owner of
Financial News Network, which was merged into the
present network. Come on Bill Griffeth and Sue Herera!
Give us the news about your former boss!  Hell, I used to
watch you guys on channel 64 in Philadelphia.)
 Brian marketed the PROMIS software--which was
stolen by "trickery, deceit, and fraud," according to federal
bankruptcy Judge George Bason--to intelligence
organizations around the world.  This included Israel and
Iraq, the latter deal facilitated by arms dealer Carlos
Cardoen.
 He also made a sale of PROMIS to the government
of Brazil.  In the deposition of Charles Hayes, (Inslaw and
Hamilton versus the United States of America, United
States Court of Federal Claims, Congressional Reference
No. 95-338X) is the following exchange:

Q.  Do you have any documents in your possession that
pertain to computer software called FOIMS? . . .

A. . . . What you call FOIMS is PROMIS Enhanced
software, whether you like it or not. . . . Now, whether it's
called FOIMS, TECS or whatever it's called, to me it--you
can take a Chevrolet emblem off of a Chevrolet car, ma'am, and
you can put Ford on it, but its still Chevrolet. . . .

Q.  Do you know Doctor Earl Brian?

A.  I met Earl Brian, yes, ma'am.

Q.  When did you meet him?

A.  In Brazil.

Q.  When?

A.  In the '80's.

Q.  What did Doctor Brian look like?

A.  Big tall fellow.  Got a big foot on him too.

Q.  How did you meet him?

A.  He was selling some software.

Q.  In Brazil?

A.  Yes, ma'am.

Q.  And what type of software was that?

A.  PROMIS.

Q.  So Doctor Brian was selling PROMIS in Brazil?

A.  Uh huh (affirmative response).

Q.  Who was he trying to sell it to?

A.  Brazilian government.  . . .

Q.  So you--the reason you know it was PROMIS was
because Doctor Brian said it was PROMIS?

A.  In front of everybody there, yes, ma'am.

Q.  Did he say it was INSLAW's PROMIS?

A.  No.

Q.  Are you aware of any other companies that developed
a product called PROMIS?

A.  For reasons of national security right now, I will not
answer that.

Q.  I am not talking about government programs.

A.  What did I just say, ma'am?

Q.  I'm talking about private companies.

A.  Well, sometimes private companies, you might not
believe this, Ms. Cook, but those that you think are private is
owned by the United States government.  Either that or somebody
told me awful wrong.

Q.  So did you sign an agreement with Doctor Brian not to
disclose anything about this?

A.  No, ma'am, I signed no agreements at any time.  Didn't
ever, and never will as long as the day I live, sign a
contract or anything else with Mr. Earl Brian.

Q.  Which Brailian government agencies did he try to sell
PROMIS to?

A.  Well, you don't sell it to agencies.  They are not like
over here, ma'am, they don't have agencies over there.
Brazil and the 

[CTRL] (1/4) InfoWar -- IMF/Echelon/PROMIS/Mossad/Bush-Clinton/FEMA

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

NATO - What For ?

FRANCE: U.S. Accused of 'Promis' Information Warfare Program

Brussels LE VIF/L'EXPRESS in French, 9 May 97 pp  74-82
[Interview with Fabrizio Calvi and Thierry Pfister, authors of
book L'Oeil de Washington (The Eye of Washington), by Denis
Jeambar and Yves Stavrides; place and date not given: "Espionage:
How Washington Booby-Trapped All the World's Computers"]

[Translated Text] How far can a government go?  Democracies have
settled that issue of the desire for power in principle: The
state of law, situated at the heart of their institutional
mechanisms, forms their boundaries. But that framework is in fact
more virtual than real, and laws or treaties are very fragile
barriers when it comes to containing the appetite for conquest.
All democracies have their shadowy areas known as the secret
police or as espionage networks. Those instruments for protecting
national interests are also weapons of conquest. All states
use them, but then again, might makes right. L'Oeil de
Washington (The Eye of Washington) by Fabrizio Calvi and Thierry
Pfister, soon to be published by the Albin Michel Publishing
House, is an almost incredible illustration of that. Following an
unusually rigorous investigation, the two journalists reveal how
the United States penetrated and booby-trapped the computer
systems of its enemies and allies. This unprecedented espionage
operation, suddenly revealed in this flabbergasting book, shows
that the democratic ideal remains a very weak rampart against the
will to dominate.

[LE VIF/L'EXPRESS] Spies by the dozen, crooked politicians, games
of consequences, bizarre suicides, arms merchants, drug
traffickers, and all of it on a global scale! There is a shock
right at the start: The U.S. and Israeli intelligence services
reportedly have been booby-trapping all of the world's computer
systems since the 1980's! After reading your book, one wonders if
one might have been dreaming.

[Answer] The story seems incredible, but it is true. It is backed
by two investigating committees in the United States: the one in
the House of Representatives and the one in the Senate. By three
trials. By proof. By statements by the participants, although
they are not necessarily presentable--that is typical of secret
operations of this kind. The Inslaw case is a taboo subject, with
its load of disinformation and with its gray areas, unverifiable
statements, and ghosts. We had to clean things up. Because it is
a shameful affair. The manipulators and especially the
manipulated cannot be proud of it. In THE NEW YORK TIMES on
21 April 1991, an honest man whose integrity is beyond dispute
and who--for good reason--had access to the CIA published a
fantastic article titled "A High-Tech Watergate." That man knows
what he is talking about. He is Elliot Richardson, a former
attorney general under Richard Nixon, and at the time he refused
to cover up the Watergate scandal and resigned in a blaze of
publicity. Today Richardson is the attorney for the victim in
that crazy story: Bill Hamilton, owner of the Inslaw computer
company.

[LE VIF/L'EXPRESS] In his case, everything started with
an ordinary industrial property lawsuit.

[Answer] Exactly. Hamilton is a former agent of the National
Security Agency (NSA). The NSA, based at Fort Meade, Maryland, is
the electronic wiretapping center of the planet. Trained as an
engineer, Hamilton worked for the NSA in Vietnam. He left the NSA
and started his company in the early 1970's. That was before the
era of minicomputers.  Microcomputers had not yet appeared. To
combat crime, the Justice Department--like the CIA and the
FBI--was dreaming of a software package that would make
incompatible things compatible. Every prosecutor's office had its
own data, files, and day-to-day operations. In plain language,
was it possible to devise software that would interconnect all
the prosecutors' offices and all their files and data? The
department then issued a call for tenders and launched a
program to finance the project. So, using public money, Bill
Hamilton developed software known as Promis. There were
fantastic breakthroughs in computers in the late 1970's and
early 1980's, as computers went from eight to 16 bits--bits
being a reflection of the power of the machines: their speed
of execution.

[LE VIF/L'EXPRESS] That did not prevent Carter from halting the
program.

[Answer] True. When Reagan arrived at the White House in 1980,
the program had been halted. But using private funds--and that is
another ambiguous aspect of the affair--Hamilton developed a
32-bit version using a Vax VMS computer. His improved software,
Promis, then became a miraculous object. From one state to
another and from one country to another, it could read utility
bills, check up on financial flows in and out of bank accounts,
and track people as they entered and left territories. It could
do everything! It could learn everything about anyone! Hamilton
got the contract to equip U.S. prosec

[CTRL] (2/4) InfoWar -- PROMIS, Reaganbush, FEMA, "Rex [19]84"

[Anonymous]

 "PROMIS was in use at a 6,100-square-foot command center
built on the sixth floor of the Justice Department.  Oliver North
had a similar, but smaller, White House operations room that was
connected by computer link to the DOJ's command center.
 "Using the computers in his command center, North tracked
known dissidents and potential troublemakers within the United
States as part of "REX '84," a domestic emergency preparedness
program, commissioned under Reagan's Federal Emergency Management
Agency (FEMA), according to sources and published reports.
 "Using PROMIS, sources point out, North could have compiled
a database of everyone who had ever been surveilled for political
dissent, for example, or anyone who had ever refused to pay their
taxes.  Compared to PROMIS, Richard Nixon's enemies list or Sen.
Joe McCarthy's blacklist look downright crude.
 "This operation was so sensitive that when Rep. Jack Brooks
asked North about it during the Iran-Contra hearings, the hearing
was immediately suspended pending a secret conference. When the
hearings were reconvened, the whole subject of North's FEMA
activities was excluded from further discussion."

-

The INSLAW Octopus

By Richard L. Fricker
Wired magazine, Mar 1993

The House Judiciary Committee lists these crimes as among the
possible violations perpetrated by "high-level Justice officials
and private individuals":
>> Conspiracy to commit an offense
>> Fraud
>> Wire fraud
>> Obstruction of proceedings before departments, agencies and
committees
>> Tampering with a witness
>> Retaliation against a witness
>> Perjury
>> Interference with commerce by threats or violence
>> Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO)
violations
>> Transportation of stolen goods, securities, moneys
>> Receiving stolen goods





SIDEBARS to the Inslaw Article

Earl W. Brian - The Consumate Insider

 Dr. Earl W. Brian has made quite a career of riding Reagan
and Meese's coattails. After a stint in Vietnam, where he worked
as a combat physician in the unit that supplied air support for
Operation Phoenix, Brian returned to California with a chest full
of ribbons and a waiting job - as Secretary of Health - with
then-Governor Reagan's administration. (Operation Phoenix,
a well-documented CIA political assassination program, used
computers to track "enemies" in Vietnam.)
 In 1974, Brian resigned his cabinet post with Governor
Reagan to run for the Senate against Alan Cranston. After his
defeat, Brian moved into the world of business and soon ran into
trouble. His flagship company, Xionics, was cited by the Security
and Exchange Commission for issuing press releases designed to
boost stock prices with exaggerated or bloated information. The
SEC also accused Xionics of illegally paying "commissions"
to brokers, according to SEC documents.
 At the close of the Reagan governorship, Brian was involved
in a public scandal having to do with - surprise - stolen
computer tapes. The tapes, which contained records of 70,000
state welfare files, were eventually returned - Brian claimed he
had a right to them under a contract signed in the last hours of
the administration. (Brian said he just wanted to develop
a better way of doing welfare business.)
 In 1980, Brian formed Biotech Capital Corp., a venture
capital firm designed to invest in biological and medical
companies. Ultimately, Brian has invested in and owned several
companies, including FNN (Financial News Network) and UPI, both
of which ended up in dire financial straits.
 Ursula Meese, who like her husband knew Brian from the
Reagan cabinet, was an early investor in Biotech, using $15,000
(borrowed from Edwin Thomas, a Meese aide in the White House and
another Reaganite from California) to purchase 2,000 shares on
behalf of the Meese's two children, according to information made
public during Meese's confirmation hearings for Attorney
General.
 It is those Reagan-Meese connections that continue to drag
Brian into the Inslaw affair. For why would Brian, of all people,
be the recipient of stolen PROMIS? PROMIS, after all, was a major
part in government automation contracts estimated at $3 billion,
according to Inslaw President Bill Hamilton. That's quite a
political plum.
 One possibility is Ed and Ursula Meese's financial
connections to Brian.  Another is a payoff for Brian's role in
the October Surprise Even if he manages to evade the Inslaw
allegations, Brian may still be in hot water.  As of this
writing, Financial News Network's financial dealings were under
investigation by a Los Angeles Grand Jury, according to sources
who have testified before it. - RLF

What A Surprise!

 Earl W. Brian says he wasn't in Paris in October 1980, but
investors were told a different story
 As Inslaw President Bill Hamilton moved his company from
non-profit status to the private sector in 1980, Ronald Reagan
was running for President, negotiati

[CTRL] (3/4) InfoWar -- PROMIS, Vince Foster, Web Hubbell, Hillary Clinton

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

   VINCE FOSTER'S FREQUENT TRAVELS
 Editorial

Investigative reporter Evans Ambrose-Pritchard of the  London
Telegraph has obtained information on the travel records of White
House aide Vince Foster, who was found dead in Fort Marcy Park in
1993.

The  travel  records  show,  to  the  surprise  of  everybody
including  Foster's  family,  that  he  had  frequent  travels to
Switzerland. The last travel was scheduled to  take  place  after
the date Foster was found dead.

What did Foster do in Switzerland that was so secret that  he
could not even tell his wife about it? Nobody knows for sure, but
we have some pretty good indications from the  work  that  Foster
was involved in right up to his death.

As Deputy White House Counsel, Foster worked in the office of
Bernard  Nussbaum,  who  was fired when his attempts to block the
Whitewater investigation became public. In  that  office,  Foster
was  involved  in every scandal that this gruesome administration
was  involved  in  during  its  first  year:  Travelgate,   Waco,
Whitewater,  Inslaw, in addition to those that have yet to become
public.

Jerry  Seper  of  the  Washington  Times  has  obtained   FBI
interview  transcripts  of Foster's wife in which she claims that
Foster was "horrified"  over  what  had  happened  in  Waco.  But
earlier  released  testimony  reveals that Foster had more on his
mind. He was seeking a psychiatrist that  would  not  reveal  top
secret  information.  A  psychiatrist  told  the  FBI that he was
contacted four days before the  death  of  Vince  Foster  by  his
sister,  Sheila  Anthony,  who  worked in the Justice Department.
Anthony explained that Foster was working on "Top Secret"  issues
at  the White House and "that his depression was directly related
to highly sensitive and confidential matters"

One of those top secret affairs might have  been  the  Inslaw
scandal.  Inslaw was a software company that developed management
software, PROMIS, that could be used as a case management  system
and  could  be  used to track international banking funds. PROMIS
was stolen by the Justice Department  and  distributed  to  other
agencies  without  permission  from  Inslaw. With the help of the
highly  respected  lawyer,   former   Attorney   General   Elliot
Richardson,  Inslaw  sued the Justice Department, but received no
fair treatment in the courts.  Congress started to look into  the
issue. The Justice Department appointed Nicholas Bua to look into
the allegations by Inslaw, but he found no merit to  the  charges
of  theft  by  the  Justice Department. Inslaw considered the Bua
report an internal Justice Department whitewash, and submitted  a
90-page  rebuttal  to  the Bua report. The Bua rebuttal said that
Inslaw had  11  people  who  would  swear  under  oath  that  the
company's software had been stolen by the Justice Department - if
an investigation was done  by  someone  outside  of  the  Justice
Department.

This is where  Vince  Foster  enters  the  picture.  The  Bua
rebuttal  was given to Associate Attorney General Webster Hubbell
on July 12, 1993.  According to John  Crudele  of  the  New  York
Post,  Hubbell  and  Foster  owned a small amount of stock in the
Arkansas company Systematics that was also illegally selling  the
software.  And  both  Hubbell  and  Foster had done lawyering for
Systematics.

Did the Bua rebuttal have anything to do with Foster's death?
Foster would not have been the first person in the Inslaw scandal
to die.  On August 10, 1991, just as  he  was  about  to  receive
information   linking   Iran-Contra   to   the   Inslaw  scandal,
investigative reporter Danny Casolaro  was found with his  wrists
slit in the bathtub of a hotel room in West Virginia.

Were Foster's frequent travels to Switzerland (he had 500,000
miles with one airline company alone!) linked to Inslaw and Mena,
i.e.  international  money  laundering  of  drug  money  entering
Arkansas?

A brief review of the investigation of  the  death  of  Vince
Foster  reveals  that  indeed  there  seem  to be powerful forces
blocking a full disclosure of the circumstances  surrounding  his
death:

(1) Foster's office was searched and files  removed  just  a  few
hours  after his body was found.  After  Rodriguez  started
an aggressive interrogation  of  Park Police officers who
conducted the initial investigation, he resigned, allegedly
because  his investigation was thwarted by superiors.

The only remaining hope for full  disclosure  appears  to  be
full  and  unlimited  hearings  by  the Senate Special Whitewater
Committee, which has scheduled hearings for June or July.

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
f

[CTRL] Paranoid Talk Show Host Hides From Art Bell Fans In Montana Bunker

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

Paranoid Talk Show Host Hides From Art Bell Fans In Montana Bunker

Pigdog Journal (www.pigdog.org)

Jabber Streams

1999-06-17 04:13:32

by El Snatcher

In the fine tradition of the Unibomber and the Montana Freemen,
"reverse speech" expert and talk show host, David Oates, has retreated
to a Montana compound in fear for his life.
-more-

http://www.pigdog.org/auto/jabber_streams_Paranoid_Talk_Show_Host_Hides_From_Art_Bell_Fans_In_Montana_Bunker.html

--

 .^^.  "I don't like the feel of
 ! .\/. !  [the sun] on my skin."
 (. oo .)--Christopher Walken
  `{""}'

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] Socialized medicine: Cuba

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

"Damian B. Cooper" wrote:
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> At 07:58 AM 6/16/99 -0700,  nurev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > -Caveat Lector-
> >
> >Maryland health officials who toured Cuban health facilities last week
> >say the country has infant mortality, immunization and life expectancy
> >rates far better than Baltimore's, despite the country's waning
> >resources. Baltimore Health Commissioner Dr. Peter Beilenson, who
> >organized the trip in conjunction with the Baltimore Orioles' baseball
> >games against the Cuban national team, said, "For a country that's
> >basically quite poor, their health statistics are tremendous. And they
> >do it with a tiny percentage of the resources we have."
>
> Duh? Who creates those "tremendous statistics" that show how
> wonderful the Cuban health system is?
>
> Might it be... the Cuban government.
>
> I would say that Dr. Beilenson just fell off the turnip wagon.
>
> DBC

What do you care if Cuba has a good health care system for it's
citizens? You are not paying for it. Why try so hard to demean
it? You come off silly trying. Cuba's system works for all of its
citizens, and your country's system only works for citizens with
money. Almost half the population has no health care, or insufficient
health care. In a 7 trillion dollar economy.

Joshua2

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] Revising Capitalism/ rebuttal.

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

SCIO-LTD wrote:
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> - Original Message -
> From: nurev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 1999 3:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] Revising Capitalism/ rebuttal.
>
> > -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > SCIO-LTD wrote:
snip>
> > I don't think I care to dispense with my value judgments, and there
> > was
> > nothing puerile about pointing out your self serving statements.
>
> Everything you say is purile, you have less sense than I previous supposed,
> as you have so aptly shown.
> >snip>
> > We are saying the same thing. Greedy GE and greedy Westinghouse
> > compete to
> > sell you a refrigerator by offering you a lower price. This is the "
> > Magical
> > Mystical Market " at work. This of course is bullshit, since the
> > companies
> > are part of an oligopoly and often collude to fix prices.
>  some are some aren't.

At the top genius. In almost every field and industry, 80%
of the market is in the hands of only three, four, or five companies.
No one cares about the little piglets until they
are worth being bought out.

> >
> > But Capitalists keep spouting on and on about " invisible hands " and
> > other
> > superstitious crap.
> agreeded
> >
snip>

> > The Pope has finally started to gently chastise capitalism now that he
> > is no
> > longer afraid of being put out of the lucrative god business by the
> > Commies.
> > He must after all. Jesus did say that it's easier for a camel to hump
> > a
> > Dachshund, than for a rich man to get to heaven.
>
> No He didn't, (that's biblical bullshit, your's for that matter for
> misquoting the Word, what an idiot you are, He said it is easier for a camel
> to go through the eye of the needle than for a rich man to enter into the
> kindom of heaven.

No, you are very mistaken. You must be using one of those Christian
bibles
translated into some European language. In the original Aramaic (
which I
read )Jeshua states very unambiguously - " It is easier for a camel to
hump
a Dachshund, than for a rich man to get to heaven." Whereby the
diciples
chant in response " urrg ahrg, urrg ahrg, unh unh unh."
-- Joshua2: Original Aramaic ver.

snip>
> > Oh please. Sell it somewhere else. This is a list which is more than
> > familiar
> > with the machinations of businessmen. Go to the archives and save the
> > bullshit.
> dismissive aren't we, especially since again you haven't a clue about what
> your talking about.
> And yes I've been to archives, it really doesn't say much about businessmen,
> fool.
snip>
> > > it is only is when the rights of others are
> > > violated in its acquisition.
> >
> > Now you've got it. If one can get rich from one's own labor, then one
> > deserves
> > all that he worked for. If one gets rich off of someone else's labor,
> > that is
> > theft. There is not enough time in a lifetime to accumulate fortunes
> > based on
> > one's own work.
> Wrong, but you really won't know that you're not wealthy.

=
 These are the rules of big business. Get a monopoly;
let society work for you; and remember that the best
of all business is politics."
--  Confessions of a Monopolist  by Frederick C. Howe
==

> > > Wealth is good and desirable.
> >
> > Even that is a wrong assumption. Although I'm sure you need to believe
> > otherwise. Wealth in society behaves like a dense star in space. It
> > distorts
> > EVERYTHING towards itself. This is why the rich get richer, wealth
> > concentrates
> > into the hands of the very few, the have nots become a destabilizing
> > force, and civilizations collapse.
> Dense star in space, are you off your fucking rocker, heh, heh, heh(there
> coming to take me away ha ha), Dude the only thing that is distorted is you
> views.   civilizations collapse for a variety of reasons.

Yes that's right. A variety of reasons.

Historian Arnold Toynbee studied 21 past civilizations,
looking for common factors in their demise. The two most
important ones were the EXTREME CONCENTRATION OF WEALTH,
and inflexibility in the face of changing conditions
within and around them.


snip>
> > > The fact that we can communicate our ideas is an advance.
> >
> > Yes it's an advance. So what. Beating drums was also an advance.
> > Television
> > was an advance with enormous potential. Look what capitalist
> > innovators did
> > to the best damn learning tool ever invented to date. If businesses
> > are
> > permitted to control and dominate the NET, then its potential will be
> > pissed
> > away too.
> beating drums an advance?

Of course it was an advance. A great technological advance in long
distance
communication.

> You're really going out of your way to prove your
> ignorance, so far as the net it's too late.

Unfortunately, you are right. But it doesn't need to remain

Re: [CTRL] class act

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> -- Forwarded message -
>   Citation: The Nation April 8 1996, v262, n14, p3(1)
>  Title: Class act.(comments by Chairman and Chief Executive
>Officer  Robert Eaton of Chrysler Corp.)(Editorial)
> 
> COPYRIGHT The Nation Company Inc. 1996
>   Comes now Robert Eaton, chairman and C.E.O. of Chrysler, to decry the
> "demonization of corporate America" before an appreciative bevy of execs at
> the Detroit Economic Club. "Empty-headed, tub-thumping populism," complains
> Eaton, has declared "open season" on virtuous C.E.O.s. He is particularly
> aggrieved at stories on corporate downsizing in Newsweek, Business Week and
> The New York Times. His mother used to be proud that her son was a "big shot."
> Now she tells friends her son has a "front office job." "Demagogues," warned
> Eaton, are herding us "down the path to class warfare."

Class warfare is one of the few things the elites are truly afraid of.
CEO's
would like to believe that they have successfully brainrinsed the
public into
thinking that they, the public, could also get some privileges like
the wealthy
class does. This works on Libertarians, Objectivists, Yuppies, and the
desperately greedy. But alas, most people have grudgingly concluded
that they
will not achieve great wealth and power due to social, and personal
reasons. It
is the increase in the  numbers of these people who are becoming
receptive to
the idea of class war.

The elites can not win a class war. They know history.

EAT THE RICH

Joshua2


>   Really? For more than twenty years, the overclass that Eaton represents has
> waged unrelenting class war on working people. Workers, wages have fallen in
> recessions and in recoveries. Productivity has gone up, profits are at record
> heights, but wages continue to fall. Profitable companies continue to lay
> offworkers. Middle-aged workers are now twice as likely to be permanently
> separated from an employer than they were two decades ago. Too often, the
> result is not bruised feelings at the ski chalet, but dashed hopes, lost homes
> and broken families.
>   Eaton made $6.2 million in 1994. Twenty years ago, C.E.O.s at large
> companies were paid about 35 times the pay of the average U.S. worker. Today,
> that ratio has exploded to 187 times as much. In Germany and Japan the
> comparable ratio is 21 and 16, respectively. No other industrialized nation
> has witnessed either the decline of wages suffered by America's working people
> or the soaring of its executives, pay. No other country suffers the extreme
> inequality now found in the United States. That, Mr. Eaton, is class warfare.
>   Americans, Eaton allows, do have "rational fears about holding on to a good
> job if they have one, and getting one if they don,t," but don,t blame
> C.E.O.s-rapacious shareholders make us do it. Shareholding, Eaton notes, is
> increasingly dominated by institutional investors--mutual funds and pension
> funds that demand short-term returns. In this "equalitarian" securities
> market, Eaton reassured his audience, the new ownership of corporate America
> is "most of America," which should "burst the bluster of the
> redistribution-of-wealth crowd." Well, not exactly. Federal Reserve data show
> that in 1989 the top 10 percent of Americans controlled 80 percent of the
> financial assets of the country. Since then stocks have nearly doubled in
> value and made the top 10 percenters seriously rich.
>   Eaton argues that the business of business is to make money. Profitable
> companies like Chrysler compete, hire and pay workers and serve their
> communities. But Chrysler survives today because the government--industrial
> policy]--bailed it out when it was facing bankruptcy. Reagan's quotas on
> Japanese auto imports--protectionism]--allowed the auto industry to revive.
> Chrysler's workers have decent pay, pensions, health care and profit-sharing
> plans not because of Eaton's benevolence but because they are represented by
> the United Auto Workers--unions]--which exacted these benefits. If the 89
> percent of the private work force that is not organized had similar union
> representation, then declining wages in the midst of rising productivity would
> be less of an issue. And that, Mr. Eaton, is class warfare.

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holo

[CTRL] Pilots admit targetting civillians.

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

Spanish Fighter Pilots Admit NATO Purposely Attacks Civilian Targets

June 14, 1999
Articulo 20 (Spain-weekly)
By Jose Luis Morales (?)


   The pilots of Spanish planes who participated in bombing
raids against Yugoslavia do not feel like "supermen" nor masters of
aerospace. Quite the contrary, they say that our forces play to the tune
of music played by the North Americans, and accuse NATO of having
honoured with medals the bombing of civilian targets, what they
otherwise name "collateral damages".

Captain Adolfo Luis Martin de la Hoz, who returned to
Spain at the end of May after having participated in the bombings from
the beginning, an "authentic expert for the dreadful F-18", the war
plane most often used in the war strategy of "scorched land" in the
Balkans, is very categoric: "First of all, I want to make it clear that
the majority, I say the majority, of my colleagues, even if not all, are
against the war in general and against this war of barbarity in
particular."



Martin de la Hoz says that he and his colleagues "are
burnt out".

"A  few days ago, there appeared in the papers certain
statements of Commander Maches Michavilla, who is now in the air base at
Aviano with the pilots who replaced us, in which he said that our main
helper in the air was mental and physical health. But I tell you that
our worst enemies are our own authorities, the Defence Minister and all
his team, the members of the Government, who know nothing about war and
go along with it without informing themselves about anything and, what
is gravest, who are guilty of lying to the Spanish people through the
papers, radio and television, foreign correspondents and press
agencies."



   The suspicions that NATO's repeated bombings of
civilian victims and non-military targets are not the result of war
"errors", are confirmed by Captain Martin de la Hoz:

  "Several times our colonel protested to NATO chiefs as
to why they select targets which are not military targets. They threw
him out with curses, saying that we should know that the North Americans
would lodge a complaint to the Spanish Army, once through Brussels and
again to the Defence Minister. But there is more, and I want to tell it
to the whole world: once there was a coded order from the North American
military that we should drop anti-personnel bombs over the localities of
Prishtine (Pristina) and Nish (Nis). The colonel refused it altogether
and, a couple of days later, the transfer order came. But what I say now
is nothing compared to what I shall have to say when the time comes."



   The Spanish military denounces that "the Spanish
Government not only does not try to inform themselves, but that they
also accept the false reports that are edited for them in Aviano, where
there is a sort of military press cabinet in the hands of North American
generals and functionaries. Ever since we arrived in Italy - the captain
goes on - there is no end to humiliations and insults. The only
order-givers are the North American generals, and no one else. We are
zeroes, just as our replacements are going to be.



But there is still more to that. Here, they say that
several operations were directed by Spanish commanders and pilots. Lies
over lies. All the missions that we flew, every single one, were planned
by high U.S. military authorities. Even more, they were all planned in
detail, including attacking planes, targets and type of ammunition that
we have to drop. We never directed anything, and our missions were
limited to flying over the borders of Macedonia, Albania, Bosnia and
Slovakia (Slovenia?)."



Government's lies



  None of the pilots presently stationed at Aviano, who
replaced those who went to the Italian base shortly before the start of
war, last March 23, were there with a clear conscience, says the Spanish
military.

   "It is being written to saturation that the
disciplined and patriotic Spanish pilots - according to Minister Eduardo
Serra - are concentrating on the complexity of their war missions".

But we read so many discrepancies, so many lies,
that we agreed to not read a single newspaper until we return. Our anger
is enormous. The President of the government, the Minister of Foreign
Affairs and the Defence Minister are lying brazenly each time they talk
about the war. Some of us are of another opinion and believe that they
do not inform themselves, because the North Americans - the White House,
the Pentagon, the CIA, the Embassy or military information service,
whoever, do not inform them about anything. How should they inform
themselves if our own Javier Solana has not informed himself since the
war broke out?



   Solana is a puppet who has been put there by the
Yanquis to do what they tell him he must do. And so he does, standing
straight befo

[CTRL] Postscript: InfoWar -- Echelon/PROMIS and Y2K

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

You say you have enough things to be paranoid about?  Hey, I'll give you one
more.

The Y2K Problem, real or manufactured, is the IDEAL medium for realizing one
of the greatest absolute-power fantasies of Orwellian oligarchs (those rich
fat old white guys sipping martinis at the CFR, Bilderbergers, Trilateral
Commission, IMF, etc.).  Just consider this scenario (I won't stick my neck
out so far as to call it a "prediction") ...

On or about December 31, 1999, as we're all more or less expecting by now, in
the US and around the world, important information management systems will
falter and fail -- but when those systems are up and running again, SOME
information contained in all their databases will NOT be exactly the same as
before.  Certain bits of data will have disappeared, becoming
NON-information. Other bits of data will have appeared "out of nowhere,"
inserted unobstrusively, and these will afterward be accepted and defended as
genuine, valid "information."  Discrepancies will be noted by some, but of
course, since individually produced "paper records" can always be falsified
more easily than the (NB) COHERENTLY CROSS-REFERRABLE information stored in a
variety of different "unconnected" databases, it will be argued that anyone
claiming some computerized records have actually been DELETED or CHANGED are
simply conspiracy-minded lunatics, "paranoid."  But they'll be RIGHT ...

Imagine the POSSIBILITIES, given the potentials of ECHELON, and PROMIS, with
its "trapdoor" and e-bugging microchip, plus an army of "hackers" marshalled
under the auspices of NSA and the CIA and/or the 'Octopus.'  (Notice that the
government is giving INORDINATE attention to finding and corralling
"hackers," while simultaneously studying the art of "hacking" PROACTIVELY,
under the guise of "national defense.")

Remember what happened to Sandra Bullock's character in the movie THE NET?
Now, imagine it happening in real life, but on a COLLECTIVE scale,
systematically ..

And what better COVER for such an event than "Y2K," a temporary "shutdown"?

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] Skeptic News - Thursday #1

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

SkeptiNews 990617a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
: Insufficient mood-altering drugs were consumed to produce this bulletin.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Virtual L.A.: A traffic-less trip - A virtual city could be valuable for
  police and firefighters, quickly mapping the best route to an emergency:
  http://cnn.com/TECH/ptech/9906/13/virtual.la/index.html

: Is Los Angeles or any other major city better visited in person or in VR?
For realism, should a sim include virtual smog, virtual drive-by shootings,
virtual street people, virtual random police actions, virtual earthquakes?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Researchers, mediums study communication with the dead. (U-WIRE) TUCSON,
AZ. A team of U.Arizona scientists & students conducted a unique experiment,
probing the possibility of an afterlife by studying how mediums commune with
the dead. Researchers at the U.Az. Human Energy Systems Lab invited a panel
of mediums to meet 10 people whose loved ones recently died. The mediums
tried to receive info from the deceased without prior knowledge of them
and while under observation. http://news.excite.com/news/uw/990616/odd-85

: Do you want to talk to your deceased relatives? Would you prefer they stay
quiet? Can you squeeze any secrets out of them? Do you trust mediums? Why?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# NEW BIOTECH CANCER WEAPON NEEDS KICK-START. Imagine if we could send an
  agent shooting through the bloodstream to find cancer cells and target
  them for destruction, leaving healthy tissue intact. That is an overly
  simplified explanation of an exciting new biotech approach to fighting
  cancer: www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=13341

# Surgery continues into robot age. (BBC) A robot is being used to help
  surgeons perform tricky heart bypasses more accurately - just the latest
  in a series of innovations bringing such technology into the operating
  theatre. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_37/370836.stm

: Would you rather be operated on by nano-robots, macro-robots, humans, ETs,
teams of the above? Does your HMO or health insurer pay for robotic surgery?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# NOT THE REAL THING: THE NOCEBO EFFECT IN EUROPE. The "nocebo" effect can
be seen in a recent panic about Coca-Cola products in Europe. No real health
problems have been found, yet several countries have restricted the sale of
the products after some teenagers got sick. I think once they heard about
the symptoms, they started thinking they were ill - the "nocebo" effect in
action. http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=13346

# ASPIRIN-LIKE DRUGS ARE 15TH LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH IN U.S.  Aspirin and
  related drugs kill almost as many people every year as AIDS and are resp-
  onsible for a "silent epidemic." Ulcers caused by such drugs kill about
  16,500 people in the United States each year. Includes ibuprofen, aspirin
  and competitors: http://cnn.com/HEALTH/9906/16/health.aspirin.reut/

: Would you rather be sickened/offed by a placebo, nocebo, painkiller, pain,
dread, hired assassin, careless medico, gov't agent, deity, demon, elf, me?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# GM crops a 'risk' to organic plants. (BBC) There is a "real risk" that GM
  crops can contaminate organic crops, according to UK govt backed research.
  See http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_371000/371353.stm

# Organic pesticide may aid GM crops. (BBC) A new, super-deadly pesticide
  used by organic farmers may be of great use in the genetic modification of
  crops. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_37/370682.stm

: Would you like to see all lifeforms on Earth contaminated by genetic mods?
Would evolution accelerate? Would new, stronger, smarter entities emerge?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Country To Scrap Booze-Free "Holy Hour". DUBLIN (Reuters)  Ireland, better
known for alcoholism than abstinence, looks ready to scrap its traditionally
dry "Holy Hour" with the announcement of a gov't-backed Intoxicating Liquor
Bill. The bill scraps Sunday afternoon closing, permits extended Saturday
night drinking hours and allow once-off all-night opening for New Year's Eve
to mark the year 2000. http://news.excite.com/news/r/990617/07/odd-alcohol

: Does your belief system prescribe or proscribe intoxication? Are certain
chemicals specified? Are your chemical-usage doctrines contradictory? Fun?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# First cloned human embryo revealed. (BBC) Details of 1st human embryo to
  be cloned are released - made using a cell from a man's leg and a cow's
  egg. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_371000/371378.stm

# Chimps are cultured creatures. (BBC) Chimpanzees are shown for the first
  time to have a culture as rich & as varied as humans. I'll be a monkey's
  uncle: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/e

Re: [CTRL] Bush's genealogical chart (from 350 BC)

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

- Original Message -
From: Das GOAT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> > from:  http://www.totse.com/files/FA020/histchr2.htm
> >(15 other charts omitted from this excerpt -
> > see the footnote, below, for a summary)
>
> What a crock.  This "genealogy" combines a phony Piso/Herodian link
> (courtesy of "Reuchlin"'s anti-Christian argument) with a totally
> unsupportable Claudian-Merovingian link (courtesy of PoS propagandists)
> and then weaves in elements from Settipani's speculative and highly
> debatable B.C. genealogy.  Two frauds + a wild guess.
> Nearer to home, if there IS a Roosevelt-Bush link, I'd like to see any
> evidence for it.
> Posted to any genealogy newsgroup, this would raise gales of disdainful
> laughter.

While this charting is bogus, there's a germ of truth: all humans are
related to all other humans, if you go back far enough.  Mathematically,
tracing back 'n' generations, you have '2^n' ancestors.  Let's say that
the total number of human beings who've ever lived is roughly 10 billion
[1^10], and that one generation equals 20 years. Punch the calculator
and you'll see that 2^33= 0.86^10 and 2^34= 1.72^10 -- thus, somewhere
between 33 and 34 generations (660-680 years) back, you've most likely
shared an ancestor with every other human on the planet.

This math obviously breaks down when we consider population isolates,
small groups that have had NO contact with other humans for a longer
period.  But in general, especially with mainstream Eurasian populations,
we can safely say that EVERYONE who reproduced over 1000 years ago is
an ancestor of yours, and EVERYONE now alive is your cousin.  Now, if
you're the kind of guy who goes to family reunions to pick up chicks,
this ain't no big thang, eh?

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] WHY WHITES ARE LEADERLESS [media lords] get educated b4 it's too late!

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

WHY WHITES ARE LEADERLESS






In 1950 no normal white American could have seen the storm clouds that were
just over the horizon. They lived in a world that was as close to perfect as
any society has ever been. The streets of most cities and towns in the US
were fairly safe. Women could walk their streets from one place to another,
even at night, and feel quite safe. Most people left their keys in the
ignitions of their cars when they were not driving. Many houses never had a
locked front door. Our kids went to schools that were second to none in the
world, and the most hazardous things which would be flying around in those
schools were spitballs.

The population was 90% white and so were the movies and television shows.
Hitchhikers found it easy and fairly safe to travel, and drivers felt
comfortable picking them up because there was very little likelihood of the
hitchhiker being violent. Americans gave more per capita charity dollars
than any other people on earth. No one starved in the US unless they chose
to. There were no "Will Work For Food" signs on the street corners with some
slug attached to it who flips you off if you actually offer him work.
Financially most Americans were the envy of the rest of the world. The
number of interracial crimes were very small compared with today. In fact,
one would have to look very long and hard to find even one area where white
Americans were worse off than they are today!

Things looked rosy, for as far as anyone could see into the future. Medicine
was improving almost daily. Cars were getting fancier and housework was
getting easier as invention after invention was brought out, or improved for
that task. There was no way that the chaos that was to be unleashed upon
white America could have been predicted, or if predicted, believed in 1950.

Imagine where we would be if the liberal insanity had not set in. What if
there never had been integration? What if feminism had not destroyed the
American family? What if we had not borrowed 3 trillion dollars to throw
away on welfare? What if we had spent our money on space exploration and
colonization instead of using it to destroy our inner cities? What if we had
continued following the procedure which created our superb interstate
highway system, i.e. to spend highway money on our highways instead of
dysfunctional social programs? Think of the near utopia of having great
schools, exceptional infrastructure, a nearly all white nation, low crime,
safe and clean neighborhoods, and a people who would kill rather than stand
and watch while their flag was being burned. What if?

But alas, instead we must face the massive decay of our society. We must
face the reality of rot overcoming the once near-utopia, to where today our
schools have metal detectors and more drugs than a pharmacy, and illiterate
kids show up with guns to shoot their classmates. Thanks to liberalism we
have highways that are in disrepair, chuck-holed, and far less dependable
than they once were. Our rail system is a joke compared with what it should
be. The percentage of whites has decreased from nine tenths, to less than
three quarters and is now just over two thirds of the population. We have a
president which celebrates in glee at the thought that we whites will be
less than half of the population in just a few short decades. As the number
of nonwhites in our country has increased, the crime rate has gone up right
along with it. Drive-by shootings are commonplace in many nonwhite
neighborhoods. Far from the days when the killing of a "mere" 7 men was
called the "St. Valentine's Day Massacre," today we have hundreds of murders
every week in our country. Our "Supreme Court" has ruled that burning the
flag is not an act but rather "speech" while real speech is under attack by
groups like the ADL.

If that were not bad enough, today the clouds on the horizon are even more
menacing than the hurricane which is upon us this very minute! We are
destined to see our land overwhelmed with the nonwhite hordes, which will
completely wash away the greatness of this land. The near utopia which was
so bright in 1950, will be no more than a dying memory in the minds of the
members of the dying white race. That is our future. That is what we and our
children, if we have any, have to look forward to. Do you have that picture
clear in your mind? Do you see your house and your family being attacked by
nonwhite gang members in another few decades? You will be older then.
Perhaps you will no longer be living, but if you are, you will not be able
to defend yourself as well as today. An old man being beaten by thugs who
hate your whiteness. This is your future as envisioned by the Media Lords
and your president.

I received an email today which asked, "Where are the Conservative leaders?
What are people like Trent Lott, Bob Barr and others, doing?" Have you
wondered the same thin

Re: [CTRL] 666 ? the Mark of the Beast or just another wrong numb er?

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

Hello all! First time caller here...

This is perhaps Prophecy 101 to some, but if you put the American States
(which is now under jewish control in three main areas- banking, industry
and goverment [tv and media functioning as propaganda ministry under the
government] along with the European Union, then you have the Beast rising
out of the seas [people of the world] and the False Prophet under the guise
of the false Roman Catholic Church under John Paul II's leadership, then you
have somewhat of a fulfillment of the prophecies. Tony Blair and his ilk,
including Clinton, are puppets. I think I'd take Tony any day over ole'
country boy, Clinton.

Yes, Catholics out here [those who know] know that this 'Church' under JPII
is false, and therefore Antichrist.
Protestants can't quite understand it because they have been out of the
'fold' so to speak and can't see the forest for the trees.

-Original Message-
From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Andrew Hennessey
Sent: Monday, June 14, 1999 6:07 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [CTRL] 666 ? the Mark of the Beast or just another wrong
numb er?


 -Caveat Lector-

>The Beast is not an individual, it is a political/military/economic system.
> The Anti-Christ rises up and takes control of the Beast with the help of
>the False Prophet, who leads a world-wide pagan/apostatic Christian
>religious system.
>The Anti-Christ will be possessed by Satan himself, who's goal has always
>been to "be like the Most High" and to be worshipped by all.

well thats Tony Blair then ... his ears and eyes have changed shape since
the general election a last year - his pre-election photos show him having
normal shaped eyes: after the election, he is seen with his right eye
substantially more open and rounded.
His ears stick out more now for some reason.
Before the election Tory posters portrayed Blair as a demon with red eyes
and I know that some CIA field operative [but this is another story :)]
decribed the UK as being 666 egyptian royal miles in length.

Andrew Hennessey

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting
propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and
outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to
readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] UKs imminent slaughter ??

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

No way! you are right-on Andrew, do not retract or second guess yourself!!

I like the way you think and see things, say, are you a crypto-jew?!
Everyone is!! I think, therefore I'm jewish... [can we say humor(?)] If
nothing stops them, this IS the natural way for things to progress!

The False Prophet does play an integral part in ushering in the NWO. hey,
NWO = NOW. what is next? WHO? I'm sure that a ministry will surface with
these letters, some sort of Ministry Office building complex called the
World Homeless Organization, a sorting place for relocating homeless people
and those without adequate retirement money. WHO centers. WHOnder where
they'll go?

-Original Message-
From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Andrew Hennessey
Sent: Monday, June 14, 1999 4:22 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [CTRL] UKs imminent slaughter ??


 -Caveat Lector-

>
>Just a LITTLE paranoid there
>The catholic church is mega-wealthy, let 'em build a new soup kitchen...
>
>Bill

yeah, maybe you're right

Andrew

>

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting
propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and
outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to
readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] "Sit down and shut up, and be glad that your free."

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-



  'Bloodless battles are raging, in the arena of our minds, crimes of
deceit perpetrating, forcefeeding poisonous lies. Misinformation is a virus,
infecting the following herd. The age of control is upon us, caged with
ideas, and chained by words. This has been a test, do not adjust your set,
believers have a choice, to follow or be lead... In television we're
trusting, the power to teach wrong and right, you need not share your
oppinion, one will be given to you, sit down and shut up, and wait
instructions, you will be told what to do. Please disregard all the vermin,
those who speak not the good word, Media Lords will determine, all that is
fit to be heard, now we return to our program, already in progress you see,
listen and pay close. Sit down and shut up, and be glad that your
free.-Believers have a Choice from Faith is in Season'

http://www.mourningtheancient.com/master.htm

Bard

Visit me at:
The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government
http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm

Federal Government defined:
a benefit/subsidy protection racket!

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] Fwd: Every UM student/employee and /

[Anonymous]

or Alumni on earth who does not agree and
PUBLICLY CONFESS that

MARK TOWNLEY, son of DR. CHARLES ORLEFF TOWNLEY of Port Huron, Michigan,

shot and killed DR. MARTIN L. KING,

 together
with all his/her friends/family

DESERVES the DEATH PENALTY and to
BURN IN THE FIRES OF HELL FOR ALL
ETERNITY!

God Damn AMERICA!!
God Damn MICHIGAN
God Damn PORT HURON, MICHIGAN!!
God Damn the UNIVERSITY of MICHIGAN!!
God Damn the UNITED NATIONS!!!
God Damn every JEW/CHRISTIAN/MUSLIM
and/or FREEMASON ON EARTH

Every Person on Earth who 'Worships God'
deserves the SAME

Because 'GOD' does not instantly strike dead
every human being who tells any LIE as soon
as he tells that LIE!

God Damn Your Souls For ALL ETERNITY!!!

[CTRL] Fw: Food for thought

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

> The Balkanization of America
>
> June 16, 1999
>
>
> Whoever it was who first said, "Tell a lie loud enough and long enough and
> people will believe it" sure had it right. For at least the last decade we
> have been constantly told, "America's strength is in its diversity." We
> have heard that lie for so long we have come to believe it. Believing it
> will be our undoing.
>
> America's strength is not in diversity, but in unity. We are not called The
> Diverse States of America, but the United States of America. The things
> that used to unite us have been uprooted, however. In the name of
> multiculturalism the glue that held us together is cracking. The result
> will be a fractured America. It has already begun.
>
> According to informed estimates, by the year 2025 there will be at least 12
> states with less than 60 percent Caucasian population while other states
> will have in excess of 85 percent. In cities like Las Vegas, Los Angeles
> and others the great divide is already taking shape. More than 25% of
> California's population is now foreign-born. Ten of its cities are so
> diverse that no ethnic group comprises a majority. The trend will continue.
>
> America has always been a nation of immigrants. That is not the problem.
> The problem is that now the value system that had united us has been
> stripped away. The American heritage is no more. We have lost our identity.
> And, a nation without an identity has lost its moorings. We are rudderless,
> without direction.
>
> When our country was young and full of promise, the famous French
> philosopher, Alexis de Tocqueville said, " I do not know whether all the
> Americans have sincere faith in their religion, for who can search the
> human heart? But I am certain that they hold it to be indispensable to the
> maintenance of republican institutions. This opinion is not peculiar to a
> class of citizens or to a party, but it belongs to the whole nation and to
> every rank of society."
>
> There it is. There is the glue that made us The United States of America.
> Our Christian faith and heritage is the cement that united people of
> different ethnicity and culture. Past immigrants assimilated themselves
> into a common American culture. Our grandparents were free to worship God
> in their own way but they understood that faith in God and the Christian
> value system were at the heart of this country's existence. All that is
> lost to us today. There is no Christian culture in the mainstream of
> American society today. The departure of our common heritage is turning our
> nation into the western Balkans.
>
> The December 1994 issue of The Marine Corps Gazette carried a commentary by
> William Lind, Major John Schmitt, USMCR, and Col. Gary Wilson, USMCR. The
> article is titled, "Fourth Generation Warfare: Another Look."
>
> In their commentary they say:
>
> "In the United States of America, our traditional, Western, Judeo-Christian
> culture is collapsing. It is not collapsing because it failed. On the
> contrary, it has given us the freest and most prosperous society in human
> history. Rather, it is collapsing because we are abandoning it.
>
> "Starting in the mid-1960's, we have thrown away the values, morals, and
> standards that define traditional Western culture. In part, this has been
> driven by cultural radicals, people who hate our Judeo-Christian culture.
> Dominant in the elite, especially in the universities, the media, and the
> entertainment industry? the cultural radicals have successfully pushed an
> agenda of moral relativism, militant secularism, and sexual and social
> 'liberation.' This agenda has slowly codified into a new ideology, usually
> known as 'multiculturalism' or 'political correctness,' that is in essence
> Marxism translated from economic in social and cultural terms.
>
> "This new, cultural Marxism has had remarkable success in discrediting
> America's common culture and substituting for it cultural fragmentation
> based on ethnic groups, gender, sexual identity, and class. If this trend
> continues, Americans will increasingly find they have less in common with
> each other as Americans. National identity will weaken. Other, mutually
> hostile identities will strengthen until the nation comes apart: region vs.
> region, minority vs. minority, and gang vs. gang. When a nation comes apart
> at its cultural seams, eventually it turns on itself and fights."
>
> These men conclude their remarks by warning, "The next real war we fight is
> likely to be on American soil."
>
> I hope and pray that these men are wrong. Without a dramatic reversal of
> our current plunge into secularism and multiculturalism, however, I fear
> that they aren't.
>
> Wouldn't it be nice to hear some political leaders call our nation back to
> our common heritage? Instead, they brag about our prosperous economy as if
> that were the foundation of our survival. It isn't. It took a massacre to
> bring prayer back into a scho

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Every UM student/employee and /

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

Re:  Rattlesnake Slang/John Wright:

In this letter he wrote, Mr. Wright  has committed one crime in the
state of Ohio, presuming the law is still on the books

Years ago when I was a Clerk of Court in a small town, an arrest order
came across my desk (I wore 5 hats almost)whereby the officer wanted
to arrest a man for calling him "Chicken Shit" cop - and this man was a
local insurance broker who had only received a $2.00 parking ticket, on
which he wrote the message, signed his name, but refused to pay the
$2.00.
He had not paid his fine, nor did he come to courtso

The case escalated:  He now wanted the guy arrested for using
profanity..and I thought profanity, that is using God's name in
vainhow is "Chicken Shit Cop" profanity - does this Officer believe
he has attained a God like status?

Well, this was in 1960and my boss, an attorney during the daytime
called to see what was newand I told him I had a profanity
warrant.he said "pay the two dollars, and I will pay you
back"...which I did.   But the officer wanted to with a passion, pursue
the profanity charge, and of course, the Mayor/Judge refused to permit
this to happen.

Years later, inbetween tours in the Mayors Office,  I pulled my car out
of the garage to sell where it had been sitting for 10 years...but the
tags expiredsuddenly at my door was an officer with a ticket.he
was very flattering saying "are you sure that is your birthdate" -
he thought I was so much youngerwell, who could get angry at him.

Instead, I called the Police and said I would not pay any fine, I would
not come to Court, and they threatened to take my car and tow it
awayand it was then, I had my greatest moment.I said "I am going
to sit shotgun on my car and you will never take me alive, coppers"

Well, that night the City Council President and the husband of another
City Council Member, came to my home and pushed m car back into the
garageand the newly elected Mayor, paid my ticketand you can be
sure the first arrest warrant for not appearing in Court, was mine...my
old political enemies saw to that.instead, I was told the Mayor said
I will take care of that, and out of his own pocket paid a bond
forfeiture.the charge, my license plate was expired sitting in my
own driveway.  Later that day, though, several people dropped to buy it
- and it was not for salehad only been driven a year, but the
traffic was just too intolerable and I had been rearended three days
straight, just waiting for a light to change.

Though I have never even held a gun but once in my life, and would not
have one in my home (I have a friendly pit bull, strictly defensive of
course).the happiest day of my life was when I said "You;'ll never
take me alive coppers"and hung up.

I laffed all daynobody took me serious, however.

When I read Mr. Wrights letter, and he says "God Damn" over, and
over again, now that, is profanity and you know, he could be put in the
slammer too, for that one.

But why is this man, that upset and disturbed.I hope he does not
live in Ohio, because one of these "Chicken Shit" cops might arrest him
for using profanity, inasmuch as some of them seem to be playing God in
the many roles they play in daily living

Now too, how is that for a separtion of Church and State.   Mr. Wright,
God Loves Americans, well maybe with a few exceptions - and I am waiting
for that lightning bolt to hit one of them in the arse.   Praise, the
Lord.

Colleen

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] Feds Selling Armor-Piercing Bullets

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

Feds Selling Armor-Piercing Bullets


UPI
16-JUN-99

CHICAGO, June 16 (UPI) _ The United States military is inadvertently selling
.50-caliber armor-piercing ammunition to the public, providing at least
100,000 rounds of surplus military supplies in the past year alone.

A report by the General Accounting Office contends the Pentagon is selling
excess and obsolete stocks of the brass-covered shells for $1 per ton to West
Virginia-based Talon Manufacturing Co.

The Chicago Tribune obtained a summary of the report, which notes that Talon
is supposed to dismantle the shells and sell them for scrap. Instead, some of
the shells were reassembled and sold to groups ranging from armies in Brazil
and Columbia to civilian weapons dealers.

Some of the latter ammunition wound up being sold to gun owners through the
Internet. Ammunition also was purchased by federal agents posing as potential
buyers of .50-caliber shells who contacted gun dealers across the U.S.

``Fifty-caliber armor-piercing ammunition has little, if any, legitimate
sporting or recreational use,'' the report said.

Another 35,000 rounds of refurbished ammunition was sold back to the U.S.
Army.

``The investigation showed that the U.S. military is indirectly arming
civilians with some of the most powerful and destructive ammunition currently
available,'' reads the report, which was requested by Reps. Rod Blagojevich,
D-Ill., and Henry Waxman, D-Calif.

Blagojevich, who in the past has tried to pass laws banning the civilian sale
of surplus M-1 rifles and other military weapons, says he hopes the report
puts pressure on the Pentagon to crack down on their surplus sales.

``It is my personal view that the purpose of the United States military is to
provide for the national security,'' Blagojevich said. ``It is not to augment
the use of weapons on the street.'' _-

Copyright 1999 by United Press International.

All rights reserved. _-



=
Robert F. Tatman
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Remove "nospam" from the address to reply.

NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is
distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in
receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For

more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml

POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND
UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS.
RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP.


Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at 
http://webmail.netscape.com.

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Every UM student/employee and /

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

I believe, I believe, I believe that man did shoot Martin Luther
King.take me off your list.

Colleen Jones..

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] John McCain-Manchurian Candidate?

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

This from http://www.harvest-trust.org/mccain.htm">www.harvest-trust.com


>The Manchurian Candidate

I knew Senator John McCain's father when Admiral John S. McCain Jr. was the
Commander in Chief of the Pacific (CINCPAC). I sincerely believe that Admiral
McCain, if he were alive, would tell you exactly what I am about to tell you.
Admiral McCain always put his country first and foremost above all other
issues.

The fact that Senator John McCain was shot down and captured over North
Vietnam does not make him a hero. The goal of any pilot is to not get shot
down. The fact that he was a Prisoner of War does not make him a hero. The
goal of all military personnel is to not become a POW. The fact that he
endured prison, torture, and brainwashing for all that time makes him a
survival hero in my humble opinion. I am very happy that he survived and that
he was able to return home.

However, Senator John McCain was tortured and brainwashed by the communists
for over 5 years. Regardless of what you may have been told, or what you may
believe, no one, not anyone on this earth can withstand torture and
brainwashing without breaking down, giving up information, and permanent
damage to the mind... usually to traditional belief systems and thought
processes in the areas of religion, philosophy, and politics.

By his own admission Senator John McCain, while a POW, traded information for
special medical treatment which no other POW received. He made public
statements while a POW detrimental to the United States Navy and the United
States of America.

Many brainwashing victims become fractured personalities programmed to
perform some task or tasks in the future. Their programming can be activated
by audio, visual, or other types of stimulation. These are facts not
conjecture. Anyone can confirm these facts with a little research.

Remember, what is known about torture and brainwashing is old information,
and it is terrifying. I have no access to what is still kept secret. I have
no knowledge of what can be done to a victim using the state of the art
techniques which are held in the strictest secrecy by all nations.

I doubt that Senator McCain knows the extent of the damage done to his
mind... and according to all the studies and facts available concerning
torture and brainwashing he could not have anything other than a damaged
mind. The movie may have been fiction... but Senator John McCain is without
any doubt the real Manchurian Candidate.

When I look at his voting record in the United States Senate I do not see a
conservative Republican. I see a record that reveals a closet socialist, a
proponent of the New World Order.

Love him if you must, honor him if you can, respect him in his office, but
don't ever vote for him again. It was a mistake to put him in the Senate. It
would be a much bigger mistake to put a man who has been tortured and
brainwashed for over 5 years in the White House.

William Cooper


DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] OEN 6/17/99

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

from:
http://www.aci.net/kalliste/
http://www.aci.net/kalliste/">The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe
-
Today's Lesson From The Rosetta Stone

by E. A. Wallis Budge


In the ninth year of the reign of Ptolemy V. Epiphanes, who reigned from
203-181 B.C., the priests of all the gods of Upper and Lower Egypt
assembled at Memphis, presumably in the great temple of Ptah, the
Blacksmith-god of that city, the capital of the northern half of the
kingdom. By whose wish or order they assembled it is not known, but the
definite object of this great Council of Priests was the commemoration,
for the first time, of the accession of Ptolemy V to the throne of
Egypt. The King was then only about twelve years of age, but during the
six years of his reign under the direction of Agathocles, Sosibus,
Tlepolemus, Aristomenes, Scopas and others, the affairs of the kingdom
had on the whole prospered. The abuses of the government of Ptolemy IV
had been corrected, revolts had been crushed, and important reforms in
the administration of the Army and Navy had taken place. The King had
spent his royal revenues lavishly on behalf of the State and his people,
he had abolished many taxes and substantially reduced others, he had
given bounties to every grade in the Army, he had restored law and order
in the country, and had restored all the ancient rites and privileges
and revenues of the priests, and had shown himself to be pious and a
devout worshipper of all the gods of his country. All these facts were
universally admitted.

One of the first acts of the priests was to celebrate the ancient Set
Festival, i.e., the "Festival of the Tail." This Festival was celebrated
every thirty years, or after any very great event, or whenever the King
wished to obtain a renewal of his life from the gods, and the physical
and spiritual power to rule with justice and righteousness, the highly
symbolic ceremonies of this Festival being duly performed according to
ancient use and wont. This solemn Office having been performed, the
Council of Priests proceeded to review the good works which the boy King
had performed, and they decided that the services which he had rendered
to Egypt and to the clergy and laity were so valuable that additional
honours should be paid to him in all the principal temples of the
country. They then drafted in Greek a Decree in which the good deeds of
the King and the honours which they proposed to pay him were carefully
enumerated. They further ordered that a copy of it, together with
translations, written both in the modern language and script of Egypt
(i.e. in Demotic or, New Egyptian), and in the ancient language and
script (i.e. the hieroglyphs or, Old Egyptian) should be engraved upon a
tablet of hard stone, and set up in every temple of the first, second
and third class in Egypt. This Decree, as found on the Rosetta Stone, is
dated on the fourth day of the Greek month Xandikos = the eighteenth day
of the second month (Mechis) of the Egyptian season of Per-T = March 27,
196 B.C.
=

Year 2000

APL Singapore Simulates Y2K Emergency

However, Los Angeles survived

ABOARD THE APL SINGAPORE - At 4:58 Tuesday morning, in the foggy
solitude of San Pedro Bay off the Southern California coast, a two-way
radio started squawking in the engine control room of this 64,000-ton
cargo ship with an alarming message from the captain: ''Ron, the engine
is not responding.''
That same instant, a piercing klaxon and a series of flashing lights
alerted Chief Engineer Ron Gerde to the crisis at hand: The Singapore,
hauling 1,109 massive steel containers stuffed with everything from
tennis shoes made in Malaysia to stereo equipment from Taiwan, had hit a
digital iceberg.

A Year 2000 computer glitch had crashed a critical electronic system
that controls engine thrust, causing the vessel, whose bow-to-stern
measurement exceeds the length of three football fields, to head
uncontrollably toward the Port of Los Angeles.

This time, though, the computer failure was only a simulation. The
Singapore's owner, APL Ltd., was staging this emergency at the behest of
the U.S. Coast Guard. The drill, the first in a series of port
inspections across the United States, illustrates a new focus in Year
2000 mobilization.

Many businesses and government agencies are in the home stretch in
repairing and testing their computer systems. They have done everything
they can to become ''Y2K-compliant.'' But suppose that is not enough?
Facing the prospect of computer crashes despite all of their
preparation, they are staging elaborate simulations to get ready for the
worst.

On Tuesday, Mr. Gerde and his staff faced the daunting task of
demonstrating that the Singapore, which has computer systems rivaling
those of an airplane, could hastily operate the old-fashioned way.

They would have to communicate with the captain, standing six decks
above on the bridge, with a nonelectric telephone. They would have to
descend into the depths of the engine bay a

[CTRL] The Carlyle Group

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

from:
http://www.thecarlylegroup.com/
http://www.thecarlylegroup.com/">The Carlyle Group
-

R. K. Mellon Family

In addition to its own unique network of relationships, Carlyle directly
benefits from the equally unique network of its minority owner, the
Richard King Mellon Family. The R. K. Mellon Family is one of the
nation's oldest and most respected investors and allows Carlyle to share
in its substantial deal generating capacity. Among the companies which
the R. K. Mellon Family helped found are The Mellon Bank, Gulf Oil,
Alcoa, and First Boston. Currently the R. K. Mellon Family has extensive
investments throughout the U.S. and international markets, as does the
Richard King Mellon Foundation.
-
WASHINGTON, DC
HONG KONG • LONDON • MILAN • MOSCOW • MUNICH
NEW YORK • NEWPORT BEACH • PARIS • RIYADH • SEOUL


The Carlyle Group is a private global investment firm, based in
Washington, D.C., which originates, structures and acts as lead equity
investor in management-led buyouts, strategic minority equity
investments, equity private placements, consolidations and build-ups,
and growth capital financings. Formed in 1987, The Carlyle Group has
invested over $2.4 billion of equity in 92 transactions. These
transactions have an aggregate acquisition value of over $9.3
billion. The annualized return on these investments is in excess of 32%.
The firm currently has more than $3.5 billion of capital under
management by separate teams dedicated to management-led buyouts and
strategic minority investments, venture capital, real estate and
European investment opportunities. The firm conducts its investment
activities through focused industry groups which leverage the extensive
operating, corporate and governmental experience of its partners.
Carlyle's extensive transaction experience and network of global
partners is a source of corporate opportunities unparalleled in the
private equity investment community. Our goal is a simple one -- to
generate extraordinary investment returns, while maintaining our good
name and the good name of our partners.

Carlyle's industry focus includes the following industries:

Aerospace • Consumer Products • Defense Electronics

Environmental Services • Healthcare • Information Technology

Internet • Real Estate • Telecommunications






•Carlyle Funds •Overview
•Carlyle Partners Leveraged Capital Fund I, L.P.
•Carlyle Partners II, L.P.
•Carlyle Venture Partners, L.P.
•Carlyle - Real Estate
•Carlyle - Europe
•Carlyle - Offset •About Carlyle
•Managing Directors
•Carlyle Offices


Return to Top
Home | Recent News | Carlyle Funds | Managing Director Biographies



-
Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
Omnia Bona Bonis,
All My Relations.
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
Roads End
Kris

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] Science At Its Best, Security At Its Worst: A Report on Security Problems at the U.S. Department of Energy,"

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

from:
http://jya.com/pfiab-doe.htm
http://jya.com/pfiab-doe.htm">PFIAB Report: Science At Its Best,
Security At

-
15 June 1999. Thanks to the White House Office of the PFIAB (202)
456-2352.





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 15:34:33 -0400
Subject: PFIAB RPT

See attached file: Report of Presidents Foreign Intelligence Advisory
Board, "Science At Its Best, Security At Its Worst: A Report on Security
Problems at the U.S. Department of Energy," June, 1999:
http://jya.com/pfiab-doe.pdf (72 pages; 420K)

See attached file: Unclassified Appendix to PFIAB Report:
http://jya.com/pfiab-appx.pdf (34 pages; 191K)

Or, both the Report and Annex in a Zipped file:
http://jya.com/pfiab-doe.zip (432K)





[Conversion in progress of PDF to HTML]

SCIENCE AT ITS BEST
__

SECURITY AT ITS WORST


A Report on Security Problems at the
U.S. Department of Energy



[Presidential Seal]






A Special Investigative Panel


President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board



JUNE 1999








ABSTRACT


On March 18, 1999, President William J. Clinton requested that the
President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board (PFIAB) undertake an
inquiry and issue a report on “the security threat at the Department of
Energy’s weapons labs and the adequacy of the measures that have been
taken to address it.”

Specifically, the President asked the PFIAB to “address the nature of
the present counterintelligence security threat, the way in which it has
evolved over the last two decades and the steps we have taken to counter
it, as well as to recommend any additional steps that may be needed.” He
also asked the PFIAB “to deliver its completed report to the Congress,
and to the fullest extent possible consistent with our national
security, release an unclassified version to the public.”

In response, the Honorable Warren B. Rudman, Chairman of PFIAB,
appointed board members Ms. Ann Z. Caracristi, Dr. Sidney Drell, and Mr.
Stephen Friedman to form the Special Investigative Panel and obtained
detailees from several federal agencies (CIA, DOD, FBI) to augment the
work of the PFIAB staff. Over the past three months, the panel and staff
interviewed more than 100 witnesses, reviewed more than 700 documents
encompassing thousands of pages, and conducted onsite research and
interviews at five of the Department of Energy’s national laboratories
and plants: Livermore, Los Alamos, Oak Ridge, Pantex, and Sandia.

The panel has produced a report and an appendix of supporting documents,
both of which are unclassified to the fullest extent possible. A large
volume of classified material, which was also reviewed and distilled for
this report, has been relegated to a second appendix that is available
only to authorized recipients. This report examines:
The 20–year history of security and counterintelligence issues at the
DOE national laboratories, with an emphasis on the five labs that focus
on weapons–related research;

The inherent tension between security concerns and scientific freedom at
the labs and its effect on the institutional culture and efficacy of the
Department;

The growth and evolution of the foreign intelligence threat to the
national labs, particularly in connection with the Foreign Visitor’s
Program of the labs;

The implementation and effectiveness of Presidential Decision Directive
No. 61, the reforms instituted by Secretary of Energy Bill Richardson,
and other related initiatives; and,

Additional measures that should be taken to improve security and
counterintelligence at the labs.




PANEL MEMBERS


The Honorable Warren B. Rudman, Chairman of the President’s Foreign
Intelligence Advisory Board. Senator Rudman is a partner in the law firm
of Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton, and Garrison. From 1980 to 1992, he
served in the U.S. Senate, where he was a member of the Select Committee
on Intelligence. Previously, he was Attorney General of New Hampshire.

Ms. Ann Z. Caracristi, board member. Ms. Caracristi, of Washington, DC,
is a former Deputy Director of the National Security Agency, where she
served in a variety of senior management positions over a 40–year
career. She is currently a member of the DCI/Secretary of Defense Joint
Security Commission and recently chaired a DCI Task Force on
intelligence training. She was a member of the Aspin/Brown Commission on
the Roles and Capabilities of the Intelligence Community.

Dr. Sidney D. Drell, board member. Dr. Drell, of Stanford, California is
an Emeritus Professor of Theoretical Physics and a Senior Fellow a

[CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #2

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

SkeptiNews 990617b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
: No entranced mediums were awakened during the production of this bulletin.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Serbian Orthodox Patriarch To Settle In Kosovo. The head of Serbia's
  Orthodox Church said he is moving to western Kosovo and appealed to Serbs
  not to flee the province. Patriarch Pavle made his announcement amid an
  exodus from Kosovo of Serbs fearing reprisals by ethnic Albanians expelled
  en masse from the province by Serb security forces. Kosovo's only Serbian
  Orthodox bishop was among those fleeing for his safety. Out of the frying
  pan: http://cnn.com/WORLD/europe/9906/16/BC-YUGOSLAVIA-PATRIARCH.reut/

: Does your belief system encourage self-sacrifice, martyrdom? Is Patriarch
Pavle angling for sainthood? Should all religious leaders be martyred? When?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Meningitis milestone reached. (BBC) Scientists have completed a DNA map
  of the deadliest meningitis bacterium, preparing the way for new vaccines.
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_371000/371547.stm
@ Links - Sanger Centre: http://www.sanger.ac.uk/
@ Meningitis Research Foundation: http://www.meningitis.org.uk/

: Would you rather make a meningitis vaccine, or build a better bacterium?
Does DNA mapping of pathogens let you grow stronger, faster, deadlier bugs?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Dusty Jupiter moon gives clues to interplanetary rings. Jupiter's moon
  Ganymede is covered by thin clouds of fine dust knocked from its surface
  by interplanetary meteors, scientists with NASA's Galileo spacecraft say.
  The finding could explain the formation of dust rings throughout the solar
  system, including some of the more obscure rings around Saturn, as well as
  dust structures visible around Jupiter and its moons. Dust pervades the
  solar system: www.cnn.com/TECH/space/9906/16/dust.on.ganymede/index.html

: Is interplanetary dust the debris left behind by highly-polluting UFOs; a
sign that a deity was too sloppy/lazy to clean up after itself; unhealthy?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ Physics from UFO Data. Research on the UFO phenomenon is proposed in which
  UFO targets are treated on a par with astronomical objects having no fixed
  coordinates. Specifically oriented monitoring techniques/strategies invol-
  ving small telescopes connected to CCD detectors, spectrographs & photon-
  counting photometers are presented. Expected exposure-times for acquiring
  a good S/N ratio of the target using all the proposed instruments is also
  evaluated. Finally, information expected to come from data analysis are
  presented & discussed in detail. www.ufodatanet.org/report/ufophys_e.htm

: Have you ever engaged in rigorous UFO research? Have you ever suppressed
such research; disseminated disinformation; used coercive tactics; killed?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ What Are UFOs Really? Discussion of the true nature of ufos as exterior-
  ised projections from the collective unconscious - within the Berkeleian
  metaverse, of course. http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~ursa/philos/ufo1.htm
@ Psi Informatics - emerging field of studying psi phenomena from an infor-
  matic perspective. http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~ursa/philos/psi-inf.htm

: Is a coherent philosophy all that's necessary to grok the paranormal? Can
you grow mental structures to contain the otherwise inexplicable? Is it fun?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ The Truth About Comet Lee. There have been some wild statements made about
  Comet Lee [officially known as C/1999H1 (Lee)]. These are simply bogus,
  false statements by people who must have some agenda other than the truth.
  Truth: Comet Lee's orbit is not erratic; it is well-known. The comet will
  not hit the Earth or come any place close to it. Comet Lee (or any comet)
  won't cause coronal mass ejections. And Comet Lee's orbit is not affected
  by them. The comet is not expected to brighten. http://encke.jpl.nasa.gov/
@ Also: Frantic BS: http://www.millenngroup.com/repository/cometary/lee.htm

: Would you rather that Comet Lee did or didn't destroy life on Earth? Would
you prefer another disaster? When? Are you trying to invoke a disaster? Why?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

SkeptiLinks:

@ Therapy for Adults Molested as Children: Beyond Survival
  http://www.sidran.org/digicart/products/brta.html
@ A New Paradigm for Evolutionary Psychology: The Centrality of
  Domain-General Mechanisms for Conceptualizing Human Adaptation:
  http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/gearyrev.html

# Cypherpunk breaks CIA's crypto code in statue:
  http://www.nytimes.com/library/tech/99/06/biztech/articles/16code.html
# 'Thousands' massacred in Kosovo by Serbs:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_371000/371336.stm
# China rejects US apology - bombing of Beograd embassy 'not OK':
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/en

[CTRL] Fwd: S&B #1 (1833-1985)

[Anonymous]

Title: 








YALE SKULL AND BONES MEMBERSHIP LIST (1833-1985)

Name  YEAR INITIATED

William M. Bolos (Bouliaratis)   S&B 1947
Frederick Randolph Abbe  S&B 1848
Donlan Vincent Aberg, Jr.S&B 1952
Peter Mark AbramsS&B 1983
David Campion AchesonS&B 1943
Stephen H. Ackerman  S&B 1957
John Sidney Acosta   S&B 1921
Charles Edward Adams S&B 1904
Charles Hemmenway Adams  S&B 1866
Frederick Baldwin Adams  S&B 1862
Frederick Baldwin Adams  S&B 1900
Frederick Baldwin Adams, Jr. S&B 1932
George Webster Adams S&B 1904
Lewis G. Adams   S&B 1920
Mason Tyler AdamsS&B 1899
Stephen AdamsS&B 1959
Bernard I. AfoijuS&B 1967
Roger S. Ahlbrandt, Jr.  S&B 1963
William Aichison S&B 1848
Edwin Edgerton Aiken S&B 1881
William Pope Aiken   S&B 1853
Paul Berer Albritton S&B 1978
Owen Franklin Aldis  S&B 1874
Malcolm Pratt AldrichS&B 1922
Eben Alexander   S&B 1873
James Strange Alexander  CFR21/S&B 1882
William DeWitt Alexander S&B 1855
William Felix Alexander  S&B 1851
Mehdi Raza Ali   S&B 1965
Archibald J. Allen, Jr.  S&B 1945
Arthur Dwight Allen  S&B 1901
Arthur Huntington Allen  S&B 1873
Calvin Durand Allen  S&B 1913
Charles Edward Allen II  S&B 1958/CFR
Clarence Emir Allen, Jr. S&B 1913
Daniel Allen S&B 1926
Frederick Wintrop Allen  S&B 1900
Henry Elisha Allen   S&B 1924
John DeWitt Hamilton Allen   S&B 1876
Parker Breese Allen  S&B 1919
Walter Allen S&B 1863
William Palmer Allen S&B 1880
Charles Booth Alling, Jr.S&B 1947
Robert Seaman Allison, Jr.   S&B 1930
Samuel Perkins Allison   S&B 1847
Allan Wallace Ames   S&B 1918
Sullivan Dobb Ames   S&B 1899
John Arnold Amundson S&B 1880
Edwin Alexander Anderson S&B 1835
Thomas Hill Anderson S&B 1951
Edward W. Andrews, Jr.   S&B 1945W
John Wallingford Andrews, Jr.S&B 1870
John Wolcott Andrews S&B 1876
Paul James AndrieS&B 1984
Benjamin Harris Anthony  S&B 1886
George Frederick Baer Appel  S&B 1924
Rushton L. ArdreyS&B 1925
Charles Jesup Arms   S&B 1863
John Hulett ArnotS&B 1885
Matthias Hollenback ArnotS&B 1856
Robert E. Arras, Jr. S&B 1969
Frank Davis Asburn   S&B 1925
Victor Henderson AsheS&B 1967
Alan Thompson AshenfelterS&B 1975
Albert Blackhurst Ashforth   S&B 1929
Thomas William Ludlow Ashley S&B 1948
David E. Austen  S&B 1931
Roy Leslie AustinS&B 1968
Samuel Monroe Austin S&B 1980
Frederick Charles AveroffS&B 1974
Benjamin F. AveryS&B 1914
Charles Hammond AveryS&B 1875
William Anderson Aycrigg III S&B 1942
Henry Harper Babcock S&B 1853
James Anthony Babst  S&B 1971
Samuel H. Back   S&B 1962
Joseph Willes Backus S&B 1846
Paul Bradford Badger S&B 1911
Walter Irving Badger S&B 1882
Philip Horton Bailey S&B 1897
Richard Wheeler BakerS&B 1913
Howard Malcolm Baldridge S&B 1918
George William Baldwin   S&B 1853
Henry DeForest Baldwin   S&B 1885
Roger Sherman BaldwinS&B 1847
Sherman Baldwin  S&B 1919
Simeon Eren Baldwin  S&B 1861
David George BallS&B 1960/CFR
Howard D. Banks  S&B 1956
Henry Clay Bannard   S&B 1869
Otto Tremont Bannard S&B 1876
Mark R. BaranS&B 1978
Alan Sidney Barasch  S&B 1973
Julius Adolphus Baratte  S&B 1843
Richard Mason Barge  S&B 1974
Richard P. Baribault S&B 1949
George Payson Barker S&B 1856
Philip Gol

[CTRL] Fwd: S&B #2 (1833-1985)

[Anonymous]

Title: 








YALE SKULL AND BONES MEMBERSHIP LIST (1833-1985)

Name  YEAR INITIATED

James Kittredge Lombard  S&B 1854
Cornelius Ennis Lombardi S&B 1911
George B. Longstreth S&B 1930
David B. LonsdorfS&B 1973
Allen M. LookS&B 1927
Frank Byron Look S&B 1930
Charles Edwin Lord   BB/S&B 1949
Franklin Atkins Lord S&B 1898
George DeForest Lord S&B 1854
Oswald B. Lord   FR/S&B 1926
William Galey Lord   S&B 1922
Winston Bao Lord BB/S&B 1959/TC
David Harold LorensonS&B 1979
Vernon R. Loucks, Jr.S&B 1957
Anthony Hookey Loughran  S&B 1957
Ralph Frank Love S&B 1951
Winslow Meston Lovejoy   S&B 1925
Joseph LovellS&B 1844
August Sidney Lovett S&B 1913
Robert Ambercrombie Lovett   CFR/S&B 1918
Sidney LovettS&B 1950
Henry Robinson Luce  BB/CFR/S&B 1920
Charles Pinckeny Luckey  S&B 1950
Charles Pinckney Luckey  S&B 1923
William Ludden   S&B 1850
Chauncey F. Lufkin   S&B 1951
Dan Wende Lufkin S&B 1953
Elgood Moulton LufkinS&B 1925
Peter Wende Lufkin, Sr.  S&B 1949
Richard John Luman   S&B 1925
Richard Anthony Lumpkin  S&B 1957
Stover Boardman Lunt S&B 1921
Peter A. LuskS&B 1960
William Thompson LuskS&B 1924
Karl Evan Lutz   S&B 1972
William A. Lydgate   S&B 1931
Chester Smith Lyman  S&B 1837
Chester Wolcott LymanS&B 1882
Dennis Patrick Lynch S&B 1964
R. Vincent Lynch S&B 1945
Charles James Lynde  S&B 1838
George Armstrong LyonS&B 1900
Ranald MacDonald II  S&B 1915
Richard J. MacDonald S&B 1972
Richard Gesrtle Mack S&B 1948
Kenneth Malcolm MacKenzieS&B 1975
Kenneth MacLean, Jr. S&B 1961
Archibald MacLeish   S&B 1915
William H. MacLeish  S&B 1950
George Boardman MacLellanS&B 1835
George Boardman MacLellanS&B 1858
Alexander MacWhorter S&B 1842
B. Patrick MaddenS&B 1969
John Beckwith Madden S&B 1941
P. Patrick MaddenS&B 1969
Thomas Skinner Maffitt   S&B 1899
James McDevitt Magee S&B 1899
John Gillespie Magee S&B 1906
Benjamin Drake Magruder  S&B 1856
Guy Ward Mallon  S&B 1885
Henry Neil MallonS&B 1917
John Howard Mallon   S&B 1919
Thomas Ridgway MallonS&B 1945W
Barton Lee Mallory, Jr.  S&B 1928
William Neely MalloryS&B 1924
Terence R. MalloyS&B 1956
William DeForest Manice  S&B 1851
Newton Spaulding Manross S&B 1850
Howard Mansfield S&B 1871
Hirman Edward Manville, Jr.  S&B 1929
Daniel March S&B 1840
David Leonard Marinelli  S&B 1978
Vicent Marmaduke S&B 1852
William Lee MarshS&B 1963
John Birnie Marshall S&B 1953
Samuel Davies Marshall   S&B 1833
George Greene Martin S&B 1893
George Lockwood Martin   S&B 1836
Joseph Howard Marvin S&B 1876
Joseph Howard Marvin S&B 1836
Alfred Bishop Mason  S&B 1871
Henry Burratt Mason  S&B 1870
Frederick Ellsworth Mather   S&B 1833
Craig MathewsS&B 1951
Philip Mathias IIS&B 1955
Francis Otto Matthessen  S&B 1923
Albert Matthews  S&B 1842
Fred W. Mattlin  S&B 1973
Charles Theodore Mayer   S&B 1951
Michael B. Mayor S&B 1959
William Andrew McAfeeS&B 1982
Alexander McAndrew   S&B 1913
Wilber McBride   S&B 1882
Jonathan Evans McBridge  S&B 1964
Henry McCall S&B 1840
Revell McCallum  S&B 1924
Robert Davis McCallum, Jr.   S&B 1968
C

Re: [CTRL] Feds Selling Armor-Piercing Bullets

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

Nothing is done by accident; for instance years ago, the US government
sold old paper money to a man from Texas.rather than burn the stuff
it was shredded and sold Why?  The environment and smoke pollution.

I called the Secret Service after my sister gave me a jar of paper
supposedly consisting of the remains of a million dollars, and asked
what the biggest secret was, in making money.

Why the paper, of course.so this paper could be recycledand of
course this was in a time frame when the CIA was making phoney money,
maybe not phoney money, but real money using old plates, which they used
overseas.

Now all this stuff is illegal; and there is not a law on the books that
protects any government agent and that is why when  an agent is caught
breaking the law, they don't know you now.

I wonder if the Feds still sell that guy in Dallas the paper
money.and as for the Talon Company - did they buy the brass bullets
on a bid, or is this just another front organization for the MAFIA/CIA
organization...

Frankly, it seems to me our government is getting a little lax when it
permits neutron bomb secrets to lie around where the Chinese can "steal"
them; and when they sell old ammunition which is supposed to be
"recycled" and is not, and when they permit their troops to be used to
protect what at the US Open.may
be it is Tiger Woodsdid you go to Muirfield where from his last game
at Muirfield, he went from 60th place to number one this daybut a
lot of people wondered about his being spoon fed informationwell it
was a good course, but when VJ Singh insisted they pull up a flag, and
something was wrongwell let us say Woods is not that good  - depends
on which way the wind is blowing...but one wonder why VJ Singh had them
pull a flag, only to find something was wrongwhat was it, I
wonder.and now troops at the US Open?   Does this mean Tiger Woods
is just another political pawn who was let in to spice up the game of
golf and the next step is the riots?

The game of Golf now needs protection; the game meant for
gentlemanwhat happened - if you had seen Tiger's display at the end
of the game, well - golf thanks to Tiger's PR men, is turning into World
Wide Wrestlingbut some of the old pros, I believe, have withheld
their talents long enough.  And now is a war to begin at the US Open?
Will they send in Black Panzers - to protect the game of golf?  Too late
I am afraidit is no longer a gentlemans game...Fuzzy Zoeller in his
own way was rightGolf is now going to be used to promote race
relations - forget class and watch now for Tiger's club throwing
everytime he meets defeatand check those balls for magnetswonder
what made all those poles stick.

So, Golfersthe Yankees are comingthe men in black and the black
helicopters, at the game where Eisenhower once said "I hope golf is
always a gentleman's game".

Well thanks to Tiger Woods, it is not - look for more club throwing,
fist shakingbut do not look anymore for the good ones to hold
backwhy the troops at the US Open?   Just getting ready for golf to
turn into soccerthe hucksters have arrived - or perhaps someone else
realized what happened at Muirfield.

Colleen

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] Fw: Food for thought

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

- Original Message -
From: day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> > The Balkanization of America
<...>
> > There it is. There is the glue that made us The United States of
> > America. Our Christian faith and heritage is the cement that united
> > people of different ethnicity and culture. Past immigrants assimilated
> > themselves into a common American culture. Our grandparents were free
> > to worship God in their own way but they understood that faith in God
> > and the Christian value system were at the heart of this country's
> > existence. All that is lost to us today. There is no Christian culture
> > in the mainstream of American society today. The departure of our
> > common heritage is turning our nation into the western Balkans.

And here we have it: The Big Lie.  "Murka wuz a xian cuntry but now
all the spiks'n'spooks'n'raggys'n'qweerz are tearing out our gutz."
[Slightly paraphrased]  A lightly-disguised call for a State Church,'
which of course is unconstitutional; so if the author of the above
ever took an oath to Protect and Defend the US Constitution, that
oath was shredded with the expression of that sentiment.

The Big Lie.  And the truth?  America has never been a 'christian'
nation.  Pre-independence, the British North American colonies were
primarily Protestant - but not monolithically.  Scads of competing
sects, all denouncing each other, purging themselves of dissenters,
provoked fierce conflict between High-Churchers & Low-Churchers &
Non-Conformists.  The Founders were a loose collection of theists,
deists and atheists.  Around the time of the US Civil War, increasing
numbers of Catholics immigrated - and were often portrayed by their
Prod brethren as pagan, polytheistic, even subhuman [see the images
of the Irish as apes in newspaper cartoons of the day.]  Pre-TV,
there was no "common American culture" - the various regions kept
distinct dialects, values, politics, preferences.  Even now, with
the nation wired up the yazoo, commonality of culture exists mainly
in shopping malls and cinemaplexes - see THE NINE NATIONS OF NORTH
AMERICA for an explication of the diversity.

What's the main factor common to most Americans?  FLIGHT!  We or our
ancestors fled from somewhere, 'escaping' from the draft, bad debts,
bad marriages, bad weather, bad faith, bad something-or-other.  And
of course many were brought here involuntarily, and have/had nowhere
to return.  So we're looking over our shoulders at a grim past.  THAT
is what binds us together - not an agreement as to the number, nature
and intentions of whatever deities we can imagine.

The Big Lie.  It's the shout of conspirators, demagogues, power-heads.

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Milocevic, take a bow.]

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

Ric Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> What hath Milocevic wrought?  Since taking power 12 years ago,
> he's accomplished a great deal for his people.  He's started
> and lost four wars.  He's overseen the total breakup of the
> old Republic of the Southern Slavs, 'balkanized' into its
> constituent components.  He's seen Serbs expelled from those
> breakaway states by the hundreds of thousands, seen thousands
> more suffer from atrocities at the hands of vengeful non-Serbs
> in retribution for the atrocities of Serb soldiers and militias.
> He's given the remaining Serbs a land that's shrunken, shattered,
> impoverished, emasculated, isolated, reviled; its infrastructure
> destroyed; its fields and waters poisoned; its literati purged;
> its role as a regional power minimized.  He's fucked the Serbs.
>
> Could one man be this incompetent, all on his own?  Was he
> driven only by a greed for power, to transform himself from a
> communist aparatchik into a suicidal nationalist?  Or has he
> achieved his goal: the denaturing of Serbia?  Who does he work
> for, really?  Whose interests are served by turning the Balkans
> into a swarm of microstates; by inserting Mujahadin activists
> and NATO soldiers into Southeast Europe; by demonstrating that
> Russia is defanged, impotent, irrelevant to European affairs?
>
> For two millennia, the former Yugoslavia was the fault line
> between Western and Eastern Europe; for 3/4 of that time, the
> knife-edge between Catholic & Orthodox Xianity; for 2/3 of that
> time, the spear-point where Islam prods Xianity.  Like Palestine
> where the 3 continents of Europe, Asia and Africa converge, the
> Balkans are deceptively complex - often a neglected backwater,
> sometime the strategic bone of contention between multiple
> forces.  Events there are not just of local concern, they echo
> and reverberate around the world.  Players there become global
> actors.  Who fed Milocevic his script?  Who directed the play?
>
> Milocevic, take a bow.  You've played your part superbly.
>
I sense, as others have, a scheme to complete the work begun at Versailles in
1919--the concentration of each ethnic, linguistic, and/or cultural group in
Europe into its own ministate. It was this notion of Wilson that provoked
Clemenceau's famous *mot*, "What! Must every little language have its own
country?"

When finished, the map of Europe will be a patchwork bearing little
resemblance to the national borders we've become used to: the "United Kingdom"
will be splintered into separate English, Welsh, Scottish, and Northern Irish
states; Northwest Spain and Southwest France will become an independent Basque
state; Catalonia will be independent; Italy will be split into at least two
new states, Padania in the north and a rump state approximating the ancient
Kingdom of the Two Sicilies in the south; the German-speaking South Tyrol may
reunite with Austria. Belgium will divide into at least two new states, one
Flemish (Dutch) speaking and one French. In Eastern Europe, in addition to the
dissolution of Yugoslavia, the Hungarian-speaking regions of Romania
(Transylvania), Slovakia, and Serbia (Vojvodina) will be merged with Hungary.
Greater Albania will be reconstituted by adding Kosova and the parts of
Macedonia and Greece that were stripped away in the 19th century. In Northern
Europe, the Sami (Lapp) territories in the north of Finland, Sweden, and
Norway will be at least autonomous, possibly independent. Karelia (the
historic Finnish homeland, since 1940 part of Russia) will probably be
returned to Finland. Of Europe's multilingual states, only Switzerland will
survive intact.

Any comments?

Bob

=
Robert F. Tatman
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Remove "nospam" from the address to reply.

NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is
distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in
receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For

more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml

POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND
UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS.
RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP.


Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at 
http://webmail.netscape.com.

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and alw

[CTRL] Fw: AANEWS for Thursday, June 17, 1999

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

from: AMERICAN ATHEISTS
subject: AANEWS for June 17, 1999

 A M E R I C A N   A T H E I S T S
 AANEWS
  #591 ~~ 6/17/99
http://www.atheists.org
   ftp.atheists.org/pub/atheists/
 http://www.americanatheist.org

-
   A Service of AMERICAN ATHEISTS
   "Leading The Way For Atheist Civil Rights
And The Separation Of State and Church"
--

   In This Issue...
   * Aderholt Commandments Act passes in House
   * Picket the Promise Keepers, June 26 in Detroit!
   * Government aid to religious schools -- what's your opinion?
   * Resources
   * About this list...

   HOUSE APPROVES TEN COMMANDMENTS DISPLAY IN STATES

The House of Representatives today voted to pass legislation which
allows states to display the Ten Commandments in public school
classrooms and other official government venues.  Introduced as the
Ten Commandments Defense Act by Rep.  Robert Aderholt of Alabama, the
measure was approved 248-180, and was an amendment on a larger package
of juvenile justice and gun control legislation still being debated.

On Wednesday night, Aderholt told the House that the nation "was
founded upon Judeo Christian principles," and that his proposal --
which would legalize the display by states of the Decalogue on public
property -- did not favor one religion over another.  "We have freedom
of religion," declared the combative Alabama congressman, "not freedom
from religion."  Rep.  Bobby Scott (D-Va.) then rose, and pointed out
that the act would have little or no impact on juvenile crime, and
clearly violated the separation of church and state.  "I understand
that simply posting the Ten Commandments will not instantly change the
moral character of our nation," replied Aderholt.  "However, it is an
important step to promote morality, and an end of children killing
children."

The Ten Commandments Defense Act was bogged down last year as
legislators took up the matter of the Starr report and the Clinton
impeachment fiasco.  Aderholt had succeeded in persuading
representatives and senators, though, to pass a measure recommending
that the Ten Commandments be displayed in classrooms, government
buildings and other official venues.  That non-binding resolution was
in support of Alabama county judge Roy Moore, who has attracted
national coverage for displaying a copy of the Commandments in his
courtroom, and opening judicial proceedings with a Baptist invocation.

In the wake of the Columbine High School shootings in April, Aderholt
persuaded key Republicans, including members of the "Values and Action
Team" (VAT) to fast-track the Decalogue proposal.  Unlike the
non-binding capitol resolution which simply supported and
"recommended" the display of the Commandments, the Ten Commandments
Defense Act would have given the states power to erect such monuments.

Dan Carney, an analyst with Congressional Quarterly, told CSPAN that
the Aderholt act was attached as an amendment to the juvenile justice
crime bill, with the latter becoming "a catchall for everyone's
personal agenda."  A slew of other amendments attempted to condemn the
entertainment industry, or propose rating controls on movies, videos
and even musical lyrics.

Legislators divided sharply over Aderholt's proposal.  Ten
Commandments supporter Rep.  Bob Barr (R-GA) said recently that had
the Decalogue been displayed at Columbine High School, the shootings
there in April would not have occurred.  Democrats like Rep.  Jerrold
Nadler of New York, though, warned that the proposal excluded millions
of Americans, and asked, "Whose Ten Commandments?  The Christian
version, the Protestant version or the Jewish version?  They're
different, you know."

Even if the measure wins support in the Senate and becomes law, it is
sure to be challenged in the courts.  In 1980, the U.S.  Supreme Court
struck down as unconstitutional a Kentucky law which required schools
to post a copy of the Decalogue in all classrooms.  Courts have ruled,
however, that in courthouses or other settings the Commandments may be
displayed if they are "secularized" as part of a setting with other
documents such as state constitutions or the Bill of Rights.

 **

  AMERICAN ATHEISTS TO PROTEST PROMISE KEEPERS "SOLEMN
  ASSEMBLY," SATURDAY, JUNE 26 IN DETROIT

American Atheists will hold a peaceful protest at the Promise Keepers
rally in Detroit, Michigan on Saturday, June 26, 1999.  The
demonstration will take place outside the Joe Louis Arena, from 10:00
a.m.  to 1:00 p.m.  Appropriate signs and banners will be provided in
keeping with the theme of this demonstration, and members and
supporters of American Atheists are cordially invited.

We'll meet on the ground level sidewalk across the street from the
main entrance ticket office, ground level.  This is a peaceful
demonstrat

[CTRL] ACTION PLAN: Executive Orders -- Please Read Very important

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

Independent  American Party of the U.S.  ACTION PLAN: Executive Orders
http://www.usiap.org/actionitems/executiveorders.html
By Elizabeth Christman (MARYLAND)


ACTION PLAN

Recently Congressman Jack Metcalf (R-2-WA) introduced H.Con.Res 30.
This vital legislation reasserts the role and responsibility of Congress to
enact laws and appropriate federal dollars. It would curb the
infringement of executive power on legislative authority. Furthermore,
H.Con.Res 30 will clarify any confusion regarding EOs, by emphasizing
Congressional authority granted under Article I, sec 8 of the Constitution.

EOs are not authorized by the Constitution. It is time for Congress to
address this issue of balance among the three branches of the
government.

Currently, 46 Congressman have co-sponsored this bill and need more if
we hope to have the Speaker take it to a floor vote. It is currently in
the Judiciary Committee, Constitution Sub-Committee.

If you are concerned about Executive Orders, please do the following:
1. Contact your congressperson and urge them to co-sponsor this bill.
2. Contact Congressman Charles Canady
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chairman of the Constitution
Sub-Committee and urge him to co-sponsor, bring it up for a vote
with the full committee and report out of sub-committee for a vote
to the House floor.
3. Contact Speaker Hastert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> and urge him
to bring the resolution to the floor for a vote.


Clinton's Executive Orders  [Excellent Overview, well-written -- Tam]

Is Congressional Authority Slipping? Unfortunately the answer is yes.
Faced with a Congress unwilling to grant him super legislative powers
the President has unleashed a barrage of Executive Orders (EOs). In
fact, he has issued more than 281 of them since taking office. Many of
these infringe on the powers and duties reserved exclusively for
Congress as dictated by the U.S. Constitution. In fact one EO was
rescinded last year due to its disregard for Congressional Authority.

Our founding fathers divided the government into three separate but
coequal branches. It was their intention that all legislative powers be
vested in the Congress. Furthermore, the framers specifically gave the
responsibility of spending taxpayer dollars to the people’s
representatives. The President is overstepping the constitutional power
of his office, by issuing EOs which require the expenditure of federal
funds.

The American Heritage Rivers Initiative (AHRI) is a great example of our
current President usurping the legislative power of the Congress. AHRI
was born when President Clinton signed EO 13061. It is a fact that the
Constitution requires Congress to first approve all revenue spending. EO
13061 also gives the President the power to reprogram government funds
and spend taxpayer money for a project (AHRI) without Congress even
having the chance to debate the initiative. I am disturbed that the
President continues to try to supersede the Constitution by instituting
broad policy initiatives like AHRI.

By EO 13061, Clinton purported to give himself the power to take over 10
rivers a year (later extended to 14), whose adjacent lands of
indeterminate size would be put under the control of Clinton-appointed
River Navigators, each with a salary of $100,000. Congress never
authorized this land grab or appropriated any money for it, so Clinton
says he will divert funds from 12 departments.

This Rivers EO takes governing authority away from states and
localities. It threatens private property rights guaranteed by the
Fourth and Fifth Amendments.

Clinton's surprise grab of 1.7 million acres of Utah land for a national
park in 1996 just happened to include a trillion dollars worth of
clean-burning, low-sulfur hard coal. Clinton's removal of this huge
natural resource from commercial availability tremendously enhanced the
value of the second largest source of environmentally-safe coal, which
just happens to be owned by Clinton's Indonesian friends the Riadys, who
gave millions of dollars to Clinton's presidential campaigns in 1992 and
1996.

For the Mexican and Brazilian bailouts, Clinton used executive authority
to raid a U.S. Treasury Department fund set up in the 1930s for the
specific purpose of being available to stabilize the U.S. dollar. The
President certainly was not authorized to give this money to foreign
governments so they could make their loan payments due to Treasury
Secretary Robert Rubin's old firm, Goldman Sachs.

Clinton's EO 12919 of June 3, 1994, entitled National Defense Industrial
Resources Preparedness, asserts plenary and dictatorial authority over
citizens, food, transportation, energy, health, contracts, materials and
resources, to be exercised by the National Security Council and FEMA
(Federal Emergency Management Agency). Many wonder if this EO's real
purpose is to grab emergency powers if we are bitten by the Y2K bug.

BACKGROUND OF EXECUTIVE ORDERS

Many citizens may wonder, what are Executive Orders and where d

[CTRL] Africans Want World Bank, IMF Refrormed

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

Africans Want Bretton Woods Institutions Refrormed


Africa News Service
14-JUN-99

OUAGADOUGOU, Burkina Faso (PANA) (Panafrican News Agency, June 13, 1999) -
African researchers have ended a symposium in Ouagadougou on international
monetay policy by calling for the need and urgency for reform of the Bretton
Woods institutions and curre nt economic order.

Convinced that the current world economy is based on competition, the
participants recommended that debts owed by African countries be cancelled or
suspended until their economies reach a level of efficiency that can make
these states solvent.

The symposium, on the theme: Rethinking the Bretton Woods Institutions from
Africa, was held 9-11 June under the auspices of the Dakar-based Council for
the Development of Social Science Research in Africa known as CODESRIA.

(The Bretton Woods institutions are IMF and the World Bank).

It urged member states to actively participate in the drawing up of a new
world economic system.

To achieve that goal, the symposium called for the strengthening of the
capacities of African financial institutions to prepare them to negotiate with
the Bretton Woods institutions.

The experts, therefore, urged decision-makers in Africa to establish a
research group to chart the continent's future.

They also recommended the creation of a "world economic security system" that
would have the task of preventing Africa against the risks it is particularly
exposed to.

The researchers suggested that African nations move "irreversibly" toward
economic and monetary integration as they enter the 21st century.

Established in Dakar in 1973, CODESRIA is an independent body grouping African
researchers in social sciences.

Copyright 1999 Panafrican News Agency. Distributed via Africa News Online.


=
Robert F. Tatman
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Remove "nospam" from the address to reply.

NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is
distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in
receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For

more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml

POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND
UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS.
RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP.


Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at 
http://webmail.netscape.com.

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] Milocevic, take a bow.

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

- Original Message -
From: Robert Tatman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Ric Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > What hath Milocevic wrought?  Since taking power 12 years ago,
> > he's accomplished a great deal for his people.  He's started
> > and lost four wars.  He's overseen the total breakup of the
> > old Republic of the Southern Slavs, 'balkanized' into its
> > constituent components.  He's seen Serbs expelled from those
> > breakaway states by the hundreds of thousands, seen thousands
> > more suffer from atrocities at the hands of vengeful non-Serbs
> > in retribution for the atrocities of Serb soldiers and militias.
> > He's given the remaining Serbs a land that's shrunken, shattered,
> > impoverished, emasculated, isolated, reviled; its infrastructure
> > destroyed; its fields and waters poisoned; its literati purged;
> > its role as a regional power minimized.  He's fucked the Serbs.
> >
> > Could one man be this incompetent, all on his own?  Was he
> > driven only by a greed for power, to transform himself from a
> > communist aparatchik into a suicidal nationalist?  Or has he
> > achieved his goal: the denaturing of Serbia?  Who does he work
> > for, really?  Whose interests are served by turning the Balkans
> > into a swarm of microstates; by inserting Mujahadin activists
> > and NATO soldiers into Southeast Europe; by demonstrating that
> > Russia is defanged, impotent, irrelevant to European affairs?
> >
> > For two millennia, the former Yugoslavia was the fault line
> > between Western and Eastern Europe; for 3/4 of that time, the
> > knife-edge between Catholic & Orthodox Xianity; for 2/3 of that
> > time, the spear-point where Islam prods Xianity.  Like Palestine
> > where the 3 continents of Europe, Asia and Africa converge, the
> > Balkans are deceptively complex - often a neglected backwater,
> > sometime the strategic bone of contention between multiple
> > forces.  Events there are not just of local concern, they echo
> > and reverberate around the world.  Players there become global
> > actors.  Who fed Milocevic his script?  Who directed the play?
> >
> > Milocevic, take a bow.  You've played your part superbly.
> >
> I sense, as others have, a scheme to complete the work begun at
> Versailles in 1919--the concentration of each ethnic, linguistic,
> and/or cultural group in Europe into its own ministate. It was
> this notion of Wilson that provoked Clemenceau's famous *mot*,
> "What! Must every little language have its own country?"
>
> When finished, the map of Europe will be a patchwork bearing
> little resemblance to the national borders we've become used to:
> the "United Kingdom" will be splintered into separate English,
> Welsh, Scottish, and Northern Irish states; Northwest Spain and
> Southwest France will become an independent Basque state; Cata-
> lonia will be independent; Italy will be split into at least
> two new states, Padania in the north and a rump state approxi-
> mating the ancient Kingdom of the Two Sicilies in the south; the
> German-speaking South Tyrol may reunite with Austria. Belgium
> will divide into at least two new states, one Flemish (Dutch)
> speaking and one French. In Eastern Europe, in addition to the
> dissolution of Yugoslavia, the Hungarian-speaking regions of
> Romania (Transylvania), Slovakia, and Serbia (Vojvodina) will be
> merged with Hungary. Greater Albania will be reconstituted by
> adding Kosova and the parts of Macedonia and Greece that were
> stripped away in the 19th century. In Northern Europe, the Sami
> (Lapp) territories in the north of Finland, Sweden, and Norway
> will be at least autonomous, possibly independent. Karelia (the
> historic Finnish homeland, since 1940 part of Russia) will prob-
> ably be returned to Finland. Of Europe's multilingual states,
> only Switzerland will survive intact.
>
> Any comments?

You forgot the partition of Friesland [Frisian language zone] from
Holland and Germany; breaking Germany into its old North/Central
(Protestant) and South (Catholic) dialect areas; splitting Provence
from northern France, Galicia from Spain, Scandia from Sweden, the
North Caucasus hodge-podge from Russia; with Corsica and Sardinia
set adrift, er granted freedom too; and don't forget the Kurds.
And Circassians.  Why, just considering the total fragmentation
of Russia into language areas should set cartographers salivating.

Hmmm, CoEvolution Quarterly / Whole Earth Review devoted an issue
to Euro.breakup some years back, but I can't locate that just now...

So.  How much self-determination is enough?  How much can you handle?
Who determines just what "self" is doing the self-determining?  Is
the age of empires & nations past?  Will a viable New World Order
consist of zillions of small, homogenous states, within regional
and global organizations?  Will those statelets be organized as
cultural regions, bio-regions, virtual regions, industrial zones?
Will such statelets be truly self-determined, o

[CTRL] Tanzania: Sex Workers Swarm Refugee Camps, Says UNDP

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

Tanzania: Sex Workers Swarm Refugee Camps, Says UNDP


Inter Press Service
16-JUN-99

DAR ES SALAAM, (Jun. 16) IPS - A new study by the U.N. Development Program
(UNDP) shows an increase in the number of commercial sex workers in refugee
camps in Tanzania.

Hundreds of women from rural and urban Tanzania are streaming into refugee
camps in western Kigoma, a province on the border with Burundi and the
Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC), to practice commercial sex.

The camps host more than 70,000 refugees from Burundi and the DRC.

"Women craving for wealth are driven by the huge salaries paid to workers of
the UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) and other international and
local Non-Governmental Organizations (NGOs) working in the camps," says the
study, made available to IPS.

"The big salaries paid to UNHCR and NGOs workers have stirred an influx of
women dreaming to become rich over night through commercial sex," says the
study, conducted by a team of UNDP officials.

The trade has attracted women of all social classes, from bar maids,
housewives to clerks who turn into hookers at night to supplement their meager
incomes, in a country where the minimum wage of 30,000 shillings is hardly
enough to feed a family of four.

One US Dollar is equal to 1,260 Tanzania shillings.

The influx has sparked fears about the spread of AIDs in the refugee camps.

Kigoma has been ravaged by the acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS)
since the first case of the disease was diagnosed in the East African country
in 1983. As of January this year, the Lake Tanganyika province had 2,287
cumulative hospital reported cases of AIDS, according to the UNDP survey.

The study shows that during the day Kigoma's fishing, mining and commercial
centres conduct normal trading activities "but become hot spots for commercial
sex at night."

"Interaction of Kigoma people with refugees and the migration of youths from
rural to urban centres has fuelled the vulnerability of people to HIV/AIDS
infection as guest houses are mostly used for commercial sex," says Elly
Ndyetabura, a UNDP program officer.

The booming sex industry has its roots on grinding poverty -- up to 50 percent
of Tanzania's 32 million population live below the poverty line.

The situation has further been compounded by the fact that thousands of
youths, unable to obtain jobs in the tight labor market, dodge economic
hardships in the rural areas and flock to urban centres hoping to lead better
lives.

While in the city, they turn to crime and prostitution in order to earn a
living.

"The uncontrollable rural-urban movement of youths is not only a headache to
economic planners but also an obstacle to health-care delivery, particularly
the struggle to contain the spread of HIV/AIDS infection in a country with a
crippling eight-billion-US-dollar foreign debt," says Ndyetabura.

His colleague, Walter Mazzuki, a UNDP program officer, says moral decay and
illiteracy have also contributed to the devastating effects of HIV/AIDS
infection in Kigoma as girls begin practicing sex at the tender age of 13 or
14 years.

He says the practice has resulted into a sharp increase in the number of
diagnosed AIDS cases in the age group 15 for women and between 25 and 34 for
men.

"Sex at a tender age has contributed to increased school drops-outs among
girls due to pregnancies and an increasing number of deliveries outside
marriages," he explains.

Kigoma provincial medical officer, Godfrey Mbaruku, says poor coordination and
a lack of commitment by policy makers and government officials have hampered
the fight to contain the spread of HIV/AIDS in the region.

"Knowledge and understanding of HIV/AIDS is very limited among community
members and the leaders at all levels," he says.

Tanzania, which hosts up to 800,000 refugees from neighboring countries, has
1.4 million people living with HIV/AIDS.








=
Robert F. Tatman
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Remove "nospam" from the address to reply.

NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is
distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in
receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For

more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml

POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND
UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS.
RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP.


Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at 
http://webmail.netscape.com.

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matte

Re: [CTRL] Milocevic, take a bow.

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

--
>From: Ric Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> What hath Milocevic wrought?  Since taking power 12 years ago,
> he's accomplished a great deal for his people.  He's started
> and lost four wars.  He's overseen the total breakup of the
> old Republic of the Southern Slavs, 'balkanized' into its
> constituent components.

   I don't think that Milocevic wishes to start any wars. Why would you
suggest that he wished to start them? Do you have evidence that it was he
that started these wars?

Howard Davis

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Milocevic, take a bow.]

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 99-06-17 13:25:07 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>When finished, the map of Europe will be a patchwork bearing little
>resemblance to the national borders we've become used to

Divide and conquer.  No rival "superstates" possible if they're all
"ministates."

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] Milocevic, take a bow.

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

- Original Message -
From: Das GOAT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> >When finished, the map of Europe will be a patchwork bearing little
> >resemblance to the national borders we've become used to
>
> Divide and conquer.  No rival "superstates" possible if they're all
> "ministates."

In a wired world, territorial entities are at a terrible disadvantage
compared to virtual/corporate entities.  The 'state', mini or maxi,
is a nice fat target.  It can't take evasive action.  "It ain't going
anywhere soon."  A virtual entity can relocate quickly.  Territorial
states are dinosaurs, too sluggish to survive in a fast-paced world.

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Milocevic, take a bow.]

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

Ric Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You forgot the partition of Friesland [Frisian language zone] from
> Holland and Germany; breaking Germany into its old North/Central
> (Protestant) and South (Catholic) dialect areas; splitting Provence
> from northern France, Galicia from Spain, Scandia from Sweden, the
> North Caucasus hodge-podge from Russia; with Corsica and Sardinia
> set adrift, er granted freedom too; and don't forget the Kurds.
> And Circassians.  Why, just considering the total fragmentation
> of Russia into language areas should set cartographers salivating.
>

Umm. Frisia and Provence actually had occurred to me, but somehow the others
slipped my mind. BTW, as long as we're adding in the Caucasus, I have a
feeling that the Kuban will spin off as an autonomous or independent Cossack
homeland.

> Hmmm, CoEvolution Quarterly / Whole Earth Review devoted an issue
> to Euro.breakup some years back, but I can't locate that just now...
>
> So.  How much self-determination is enough?  How much can you handle?
> Who determines just what "self" is doing the self-determining?  Is
> the age of empires & nations past?  Will a viable New World Order
> consist of zillions of small, homogenous states, within regional
> and global organizations?  Will those statelets be organized as
> cultural regions, bio-regions, virtual regions, industrial zones?
> Will such statelets be truly self-determined, or will they be easy
> pickings for Corporate States that aren't constrained by physical
> boundaries?  Are physical states themselves bound for extinction,
> replaced by virtual states?  How can/do/will humans organize into
> groupings that do things impossible for individuals?
>
> How much will the Reptilioids and Republicans let us get away with?

The prime question here, ISTM, is which of the new microstates will become
offshore tax and data havens? I can definitely see Padania going this way--it
already has the bulk of Italy's financial and information industry. Slovenia
seems to be edging in that direction as well.

But above and beyond such mental maunderings, "virtual states" are a reality
*now*, becoming more real every time we log onto the Internet. The old order
is struggling to make its medieval laws adjust to the new model, with only
mixed success. ...And what happens when the first commercial space stations
(which are only about ten years away) go independent? "Indeed do many things
come to pass."

Bob

PS: As for the Reptilioids/Republicans, hunt up *Gladiator at Law* by Frederik
Pohl and C.M. Kornbluth--long out of print, but VERY relevant to our
discussions. Note especially the role of the Struldbrugs in manipulating the
market...


=
Robert F. Tatman
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Remove "nospam" from the address to reply.

NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is
distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in
receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For

more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml

POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND
UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS.
RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP.


Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at 
http://webmail.netscape.com.

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] Comet Lee on Art Bell's Coast to Coast Last Night

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

6/16/99 Wed/Thu: Stewart Best
Website: http://www.truinsight.com

This is a fascinating show about the Comet Lee and it's possible effects on
the Earth later this year.

http://ww2.broadcast.com/artbell/abell/9906/ab0616.ram

Steve


Steve Wingate

California Director
SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL

Anomalous Images and UFO Files
http://www.anomalous-images.com

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] Milocevic, take a bow.

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

- Original Message -
From: Howard R. Davis III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >From: Ric Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> > What hath Milocevic wrought?  Since taking power 12 years ago,
> > he's accomplished a great deal for his people.  He's started
> > and lost four wars.  He's overseen the total breakup of the
> > old Republic of the Southern Slavs, 'balkanized' into its
> > constituent components.
>
> I don't think that Milocevic wishes to start any wars. Why would you
> suggest that he wished to start them? Do you have evidence that it
> was he that started these wars?

Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Kosova.  Yugoslav/Serb
troops and paramilitaries attack, and eventually lose.  Slobby
controls those troops, ergo, Slobby started and lost the wars.
Give him enough time, and pretty soon, there's no 'there' there.

The question remains: who was/is Milocevic working for?

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] Bush's genealogical chart (from 350 BC)

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

- Original Message -
From: Ric Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> From: Das GOAT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> > > from:  http://www.totse.com/files/FA020/histchr2.htm
> >
> > What a crock. <...> Posted to any genealogy newsgroup, this would
> > raise gales of disdainful laughter.
>
> tracing back 'n' generations, you have '2^n' ancestors.  Let's say that
> the total number of human beings who've ever lived is roughly 10 billion
> [1^10], and that one generation equals 20 years. Punch the calculator
> and you'll see that 2^33= 0.86^10 and 2^34= 1.72^10 -- thus, somewhere
> between 33 and 34 generations (660-680 years) back, you've most likely
> shared an ancestor with every other human on the planet.

I must correct meself here - I munged the notation.  10 billion is
1E10 not 1^10.  This portion of text, corrected, should read:

: tracing back 'n' generations, you have '2^n' ancestors. Let's say that
: the total number of human beings who've ever lived is roughly 10 billion
: [1E10], and that one generation equals 20 years. Punch the calculator
: and you'll see that 2^33= 0.86E10 and 2^34= 1.72E10 -- thus, somewhere
: between 33 and 34 generations (660-680 years) back, you've most likely
: shared an ancestor with every other human on the planet.

My conclusion stands, even if my memory sucks.

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] WHAT DOES COLUMBINE SAY ABOUT US?

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

  WHAT DOES COLUMBINE SAY ABOUT US?

  The president said yesterday that the tragedy at Columbine should make us
look critically at ourselves as a society and as a culture.

  The president saw Tuesday as a day of national shame.  I don't see it
  That way at all.

  I look at Columbine and I am proud to be an American.  I am touched and
  inspired by the goodness and courage of average people, and the extent to
  which decency and faith spring from the American breast.

  I mean no disrespect, and I am not overlooking the great pain Tuesday's
  carnage wrought on so many lives and families, but as I look at what
  happened in Littleton I see proof not that things are going wrong in
  America, but that things are going right.

  Countless people, from Joe and Betty America to their politicians and
  commentators, have waxed gravely about what the Columbine murders "say
about us."  A Utah state legislator said it all started when "they took
prayer out of schools."  Rosie O'Donnell ranted angrily that we must "stand
up to the NRA."  A minister at a Denver memorial service said "gun
manufacturers must be held accountable for this tragedy."

  For two days on my radio show I have heard from people who blame
  abortion, poor parenting, a lack of personal responsibility, Bill Clinton,
liberals in general and a growing lack of spirituality in our society.  Each
of them has seen some great flaw in the American heart that gave rise to the
butchers of Columbine.  And each of them has been wrong.  Because to see the
two murderers and the evil they did as a Product of our national soul, and
then to simultaneously ignore the hundreds of heroes and the goodness they
did is to misrepresent the truth.  If the tiny evil minority is a product of
this society, so too is the overwhelming good majority.

  If you look at our failures, you must also look at our successes.  I'm
  humbled to belong to a society which produced a hero teacher who, shot
  through the chest, his lifeblood glugging away, led a group of students
  to the barricaded safety of a classroom.  For three and a half hours, as he
  knew he was dying, he calmed the students, and gave them direction.

  I am proud to know that my country raised the youngsters who clustered
  around that teacher, tending his wounds as best they could, keeping him
  conscious, using a cellular phone to call paramedics for advice.  I am
  honored to share citizenship with the boy who thought to pull out the
  teacher's wallet so that he might look upon pictures of his family as he
  fought to stay alive.

  It was this culture which produced another teacher, his charges hiding in
  A room, brave enough to stand with nothing more than a fire extinguisher t
to drive away a threat to his students' safety.

  The teen-agers who knelt to shield and comfort their wounded classmates
  Grew up in this society.  As they carried the injured to safety and stopped
to pray with the frightened, they were acting out of a set of values they
  learned as Americans.

  One boy in the library threw themself on top of a fellow student,
  Whispering to her to be calm, saying he would protect her body with his
own.  That boy, that hero, grew up in a world with legal guns, violent video
games, hateful rock'n'roll, no prayer in schools, countless abortions,
grizzly movies, Bill Clinton in the White House and record divorce rates.

  Yet he, and hundreds of others, acted with the purest of human virtues
  And in a noble and selfless fashion.  What does that "say about us?"  It
says We are a good people.  And while we have weaknesses and
challenges, we are fundamentally strong.  Our heart is essentially good, our
children are raised with natural decency.

  Lunch ladies shouted directions for students to flee, ninth graders
  organized into groups for protection, children's cell phones told cops
  where the shooting was and when it had died down.

  And in the wake of it all, children with shattered lives stood before
  cameras and politely and clearly told a nation what they had seen.
  Strong enough to endure, strong enough to witness.  As the tears are wiped
away And the shock and grief begin to fade, Columbine will leave me with
pride. Pride in the students and teachers of that suburban school, one little
  community that represents us all.

  With dignity, compassion and courage.  The America those kids grew up in
helped them to be some of the best and strongest people in the world.
  They are not the product of a failed society, they are the offspring of the
  greatest culture and nation on earth.

  The President who saw no flaw in himself is too quick to see a flaw in
  us.Those who hate our way of life, or who seek to use tragedy to advance
  their political causes, will see deep trouble in the American soul.  But
their
  perception is not true.   It doesn't reflect us, it reflects them.

  This is a good land.  We are a good people.  The children we raise are
  overwhelmingly de

[CTRL] Two Weeks in Rebel Hands Prompts a New View of Colombian Conflict

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

Two Weeks in Rebel Hands Prompts a New View of Colombian Conflict


AP
17-JUN-99


CALI, Colombia (AP) -- Two weeks of scaling mountains in the cold and rain,
herded around by leftist insurgents intent on teaching their captives a
lesson, gave Rafael Posada a new view of the Western hemisphere's
longest-running civil conflict.


The rebel National Liberation Army, or ELN, released Posada and 32 other wet,
haggard hostages late Tuesday in mountains south of Cali.


The freed hostages had been among 160 parishioners hustled out of the La Maria
church on Cali's southern edge on May 30 by the country's second-largest rebel
group and trucked into the mountains.


Most of those seized were freed that same day. But at least 20 remain captive.



Posada, a 50-year-old administrator at the CIAT agricultural research
institute in Cali, said the experience gave him a new perspective on
Colombia's nearly four decades of class-based war.


"I always thought that paying my taxes, working hard, being a good father,
that this war wasn't mine. Now I see that this violence is the consequence of
an economic model that doesn't work," said Posada, his face was chafed by sun
and wind.


Introduced to the life of Colombia's rural poor -- with little to eat, not
enough good blankets, sleeping on the floor -- helped him understand what
draws young peasants to the rebels, Posada said.


"When we asked for more blankets they told us 'Thousands of our comrades are
in jails, sleeping on the floor awaiting trial.' When we asked, 'Why are we
here?' they said that theirs was a social movement to do away with injustice
and poverty and that our abduction was part of that," said Posada, who lost
nine pounds during the ordeal.


The ELN also is holding 24 people from an Avianca domestic flight it hijacked
April 12.


The rebels claim the mass abductions are to force President Andres Pastrana's
government to seriously engage it in peace talks. But Roman Catholic officials
on Wednesday accused the ELN of seeking ransoms for some captives.


"They want to make money at the expense of the pain and suffering of the
hostages," said Isaias Duarte Cancino, the archbishop of Cali.


Although admitting privately that ransoms have been sought, no relative of a
hostage still being held has confirmed the ransom requests publicly. No known
ransoms were paid for the hostages that were freed.


"We who were freed think that those who remain captive are going to have to
pay ransoms -- although the guerrillas never told us as much," Posada said,
adding that those still held were "people of means."


The rebels have vowed to release the Avianca hostages later this week,
according to the Colombian and international commission that received the
freed churchgoers.


Cecilia Ruiz, 47, was among those freed Tuesday. Her 20-year-old son Patrick
is still being held.


"Most Colombians who have the means are leaving the country. After this, I
think I would too, if I could," she said. "What future is there for my
children, or grandchildren, growing up in such chaos?"


Copyright 1999& The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may
not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.







=
Robert F. Tatman
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Remove "nospam" from the address to reply.

NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is
distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in
receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For

more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml

POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND
UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS.
RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP.


Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at 
http://webmail.netscape.com.

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
==

Re: [CTRL] Milocevic, take a bow.

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

- Original Message -
From: Robert Tatman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Ric Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > You forgot the partition of Friesland [Frisian language zone] from
> > Holland and Germany; breaking Germany into its old North/Central
> > (Protestant) and South (Catholic) dialect areas; splitting Provence
> > from northern France, Galicia from Spain, Scandia from Sweden, the
> > North Caucasus hodge-podge from Russia; with Corsica and Sardinia
> > set adrift, er granted freedom too; and don't forget the Kurds.
> > And Circassians.  Why, just considering the total fragmentation
> > of Russia into language areas should set cartographers salivating.
>
> Umm. Frisia and Provence actually had occurred to me, but somehow the
> others slipped my mind. BTW, as long as we're adding in the Caucasus,
> I have a feeling that the Kuban will spin off as an autonomous or
> independent Cossack homeland.

There's LOTS of 'homelands' in Russia that'd rather not be run from
Moscow.  The sooner and deeper they're online, the faster they'll be
'free'.  I cooked up a method to destroy the USSR about 20 years ago
but nobody listened: CB radio.  Airdrop tens of thousands of cheap CBs
across the rural regions.  People would grab'em, set up ad-hoc nets
to coordinate their economic and other activities, leapfrogging past
the major development block: lousy communications [roads, phones,
etc].  Moscow only 'controls' that vast landmass by being able to
direct troops & food & fuel & materials from place to place - and
that's never been done well.  Provide people with tools to coordinate
movement, and Moscow is instantly redundant.  Install wireless Net
hookups in all those 'homelands', and the Kremlin loses, big-time.

> > How much will the Reptilioids and Republicans let us get away with?
>
> The prime question here, ISTM, is which of the new microstates will
> become offshore tax and data havens? I can definitely see Padania
> going this way--it already has the bulk of Italy's financial and
> information industry. Slovenia seems to be edging in that direction
> as well.

I don't know if data-sheltering is a good long-term strategy for a
ministate; piss off enough maxistates that way, and they'll exert
pressure [bombs].  Reagan didn't invade Panama JUST to get Noriega.

> But above and beyond such mental maunderings, "virtual states" are a
> reality *now*, becoming more real every time we log onto the Internet.
> The old order is struggling to make its medieval laws adjust to the
> new model, with only mixed success. ...And what happens when the first
> commercial space stations (which are only about ten years away) go
> independent? "Indeed do many things come to pass."

Yup.

> PS: As for the Reptilioids/Republicans, hunt up *Gladiator at Law*
> by Frederik Pohl and C.M. Kornbluth--long out of print, but VERY
> relevant to our discussions. Note especially the role of the Struld-
> brugs in manipulating the market...

Hmm, I seem to recall that - don't have a copy on hand, but my SF-
writer-inlaws might have it stashed in their massive library.  As for
the "virtual vs physical state" thang, see Heinlein's FRIDAY, eh?

  Ric "my mother was a test-tube, my father was a knife" Carter

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] WHAT DOES COLUMBINE SAY ABOUT US?

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

- Original Message -
From: Bill Richer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>   WHAT DOES COLUMBINE SAY ABOUT US?

I once heard that there were 'mad-dog' murderers around even before
there were videogames, movies, TV, cultural corruption? Is this true?

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] Nazi Slaves Demand Fair Payment from German Firms

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

Nazi Slaves Demand Fair Payment from German Firms


Reuters
17-JUN-99

BONN, June 17 (Reuters) - Nazi-era slave workers demanded on Thursday that
German firms speed up compensation negotiations and pay all former forced
labourers equally rather than discriminate between those living in the West
and the East.

Former slave workers told a news conference that continuing delays were
hurtful.

"It is making me relive the terror of living in a camp," Salvtore Bertorelli,
who was forced to work for a German chemical firm.

The news conference was held as German Chancellery Minister Bodo Hombach,
Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder's right-hand man, sat down with industry and
claimants' lawyers in Bonn.

The working group meeting was to discuss how to share out a compensation fund
set up by 16 of Germany's biggest firms.

Last week, the firms announced plans to pay work camp survivors according to
whether they were slaves -- whom the Nazis intended to work to death -- or
forced labourers.

Earlier payments would be deducted and the final amount adjusted for cost of
living differences between eastern Europe and the West.

"This three-way distinction reminds me of the Nazis' separation of people into
categories, sub-human and super-human," said Eduard Szobski, a Pole forced to
work for Daimler-Benz AG, now DaimlerChrysler AG (DCXGn.F).

The German companies also said only survivors imprisoned for more than six
months would be compensated.

The German support group for Nazi-era slave labourers said this plan would not
give the companies immunity from new claims, which is one of the firms' and
German government's main demands.

Lothar Evers, head of the group, said the German government had lost sight of
the key need to compensate the survivors.

"Hombach is only intent on... protecting German industry against U.S. claims,"
Evers said.

Some of Germany biggest firms, such as carmakers BMW AG (BMWG.F) and
DaimlerChrysler and electronics giant Siemens AG (SIEG.F), have pledged to
participate in the fund.

Since the war, the German state has paid substantial sums in compensation to
survivors of Nazi concentration camps, most recently those living in Eastern
Europe, who until the fall of communism had not been recompensed.

U.S. lawyers have submitted their own plan for how the firms' fund should be
distributed. Under this plan, around 1.5 million survivors of Nazi camps would
receive a quick and equal initial minimum payment, with additional
compensation paid to those who suffered particular hardships.

Evers said there could be no final deal until survivors without a U.S. lawyer
were also represented at the talks.

The working group meeting in Bonn on Thursday was the first time the sides had
returned to the negotiating table since U.S. lawyers marched out of talks in
Washington last week in protest against the German plan. A summit is planned
for June 22.

No news conference was planned for after Thursday's meeting.


Copyright 1999 Reuters Limited.All rights reserved.





=
Robert F. Tatman
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Remove "nospam" from the address to reply.

NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is
distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in
receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For

more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml

POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND
UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS.
RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP.


Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at 
http://webmail.netscape.com.

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF C

[CTRL] Cuckoo Over Kosovo

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

Dear Brigade,

"There is, strange to say, an anti-nationalist element on the right,
epitomized
by The Wall Street Journal, that views nation-states as obsolete and
envisions a world without borders governed by free trade and market
principles   Whenever a group like the Serbs threatens this emerging
order
by putting love of country and attachment to the land above the globalist
vision, it becomes necessary to bomb them to an appreciation of
international harmony"...

GO PAT GO
Linda

--

The Boston Herald

June 14, 1999

Why the right went cuckoo over Kosovo

By Don Feder

Now that the war is over, it must be asked why so many conservatives went
cuckoo over Kosovo.

While such stalwarts as Pat Buchanan and House Majority Leader Tom
DeLay were allied with the angels, Bill Kristol, editor of The Weekly
Standard, The National Review's John O'Sullivan and the editorial pages of
The Wall Street Journal enlisted in Bill Clinton's cluster-bomb crusade and
clamored for a ground war.

A May 13 ad in The New York Times ("Only Ground Troops Will End Ethnic
Cleansing in Kosovo") saw Kristol and O'Sullivan in bed with such notorious
non-thinkers as Bianca Jagger, Susan Sontag, Michael Lerner and former
U.S. Rep. Stephen Solarz.

The left knew exactly what it was doing. Because America has no security
interests in the Balkans (making our involvement purely philanthropic), the
establishment left embraced it with gusto. At the same time, the anti-war
left
- always suspicious of projections of American power - remained true to its
1960s roots and opposed intervention.

The reaction of many on the right can only be explained as miscalculation, a
tendency to see everything from a Munich-Cold War perspective and a desire
to validate their humanity.

They fail to understand that every tyrant isn't about to plunge the world
into
an inferno.

"This century has taught us where unchecked aggression leads," they
intoned. And if we hadn't stopped Slobo in Kosovo (his own country, lest we
forget), he would have what? Gotten sassy with Montenegro? Menaced
Macedonia?

Intervention was the correct response to communism. Marxism had declared
war on the West. Moscow, which incited and supported Third World
insurgencies, had nuclear weapons and missiles.

In the postwar era, the red tide surged higher and higher. While often
mishandled, our involvement in Korea, Vietnam and Central America were
justified in terms of national survival.

Whatever else he may be, Milosevic is no threat to the West. However
objectionable his methods, in trying to thwart the establishment of another
Islamic republic in Europe, he was doing us a favor.

When the Cold War ended, some conservatives forgot how to think
strategically. Firepower should be saved for real threats (China, for
instance),
not wasted on conflicts that don't concern us.

There is, strange to say, an anti-nationalist element on the right,
epitomized
by The Wall Street Journal, that views nation-states as obsolete and
envisions a world without borders governed by free trade and market
principles.

Whenever a group like the Serbs threatens this emerging order by putting
love of country and attachment to the land above the globalist vision, it
becomes necessary to bomb them to an appreciation of international
harmony.

Finally, many conservatives are driven to prove their virtue.

By supporting the bombing of Yugoslavia, they were in effect saying, "We're
not heartless reactionaries, we care about suffering Albanians and are
willing
to commit America's military might to their succor."

Throughout the Cold War, the left taunted conservatives with the accusation
that they didn't really care about freedom, they just hated communism.
During the Gulf War, it was said the right was willing to trade blood for
oil.

Kosovo gave guilty conservatives a chance to refute these charges.

America doesn't rely on Kosovo's coal mines for energy. The Serbs aren't
part of an international conspiracy. Other than the balderdash about the
Balkans being part of Europe, which interventionists waved feebly from time
to time, it was clear that Kosovo was a charity case. This appealed to
conservatives desperate to prove their altruism.

Some conservatives attempt to establish humanitarian credentials by
supporting open borders. ("Sure we're opposed to affirmative action. But it's
not because we're racists. We favor increased immigration. There's no
reason for America to remain an ethnically European nation.")

The same urge led others to embrace American intervention in a conflict that
could not conceivably be further removed from our vital interests.

Kosovo revealed a fault line on the right. On one side stand the
internationalists and those who share Clinton's conviction that our armed
forces are a social service agency and America must transform the world
into a multicultural college campus. On the other are the nationalists who
believe empir

[CTRL] Fwd: RM990617 Irish news - Thursday 17 June

[Anonymous]

Sinn Fein News for anyone interested in what is going on in Ireland

Colleen




IRISH NEWS ROUND-UP
http://irlnet.com/rmlist/

Thursday, 17 June, 1999


1.  BLOODY SUNDAY TRIBUNAL URGED TO APPEAL COURT RULING
2.  Long march
3.  Loyalist supremacy complex
4.  Sinn Fein doubles its vote in 26-County EU elections
5.  O Caolain praise for supporters
6.  Fresh wave of military assaults on Chiapas villages
7.  Analysis: A formidable force


---


>> BLOODY SUNDAY TRIBUNAL URGED TO APPEAL COURT RULING


 In a ruling which has eroded public confidence in the second inquiry into
 the 1972 Bloody Sunday massacre, a High Court in London today ruled that 17
 former soldiers should be allowed to remain anonymous when they give
 evidence.

 The soldiers are due to appear before the new Bloody Sunday Inquiry to
 explain their actions on the day in Derry when they shot and killed 14
 peaceful nationalist protestors. The chairman of the new inquiry, Lord
 Saville, had previously ruled that their identities should be disclosed.

 The High Court ruling has been strongly criticised by the families of those
 killed and wounded; they said that the interest of justice had not been
 served.

 The Sinn Fein chairman described the ruling as "a significant blow".
 Mitchel McLaughlin said that he very much hoped that the enquiry would
 challenge the decision.

 The court ruled that the Saville Tribunal's decision was legally flawed,
 when it said that the ex-soldiers, mainly from the Parachute Regiment, must
 reveal their names when they give evidence.

 Last month, Lord Saville, who is chairing the three-man Tribunal of Inquiry
 into Bloody Sunday, ruled that the men should be named, unless there were
 special reasons to justify their anonymity.  The British Ministry of
 Defence challenged Saville's ruling at a cost of over #1 million.

 The families of those killed and wounded on Bloody Sunday said the interest
 of justice had not been served. In a statement, they said that they were
 very disappointed that the High Court in England saw fit to intervene. They
 said that they would make strong representations to the enquiry to appeal
 the decision immediately.

 SMEAR CAMPAIGN

 In another development, families are to take legal action against a second
 English newspaper, which is backing the soldiers in their fight. The
 families have already been granted a temporary injunction against the Daily
 Telegraph prohibiting it from publishing libellous material about the
 relatives of the Bloody Sunday dead.

 They are also applying for a similar injunction against the Daily Mail. In
 the High Court in Belfast today, a lawyer for three relatives applied for
 the injunction against the Daily Telegraph to be made permanent.

 Michael Lavery, QC, said that the British Army was resisting the Saville
 inquiry and was being supported by the Daily Telegraph, which claimed the
 inquiry was a sop to the IRA. He said that the revelation that the names of
 five former soldiers had been given to the families was followed by the
 Daily Telegraph claiming that the names had been passed to the IRA and the
 former soldiers "were as good as dead."

 Their prominent involvement with the Saville inquiry was not out of
 vindictiveness, he said. "It is simply to get at the truth of what happened
 in 1972," said Mr Lavery. "Far from wishing any harm to these former
 soldiers, they are very anxious that no harm should come to them because
 that might frustrate the purpose of the inquiry."


---


>> Loyalist walk to supremacy


 Loyalists are attempting to up the ante in the run up to Drumcree by
 planning a "long walk" throughout the Six Counties.

 Members of the Protestant Orange Order based at Drumcree have laid siege to
 the nationalist Garvaghy Road in Portadown since their parade was rerouted
 down a parallel road by the independent Parades Commission last July.

 Now loyalists are planning the long walk from Derry on Thursday 24 June
 and after making its way through Limavady, Coleraine, Ballymoney,
 Ballymena, Antrim, Lisburn and Lurgan arrive in Portadown in time for the
 participants to take part in Drumcree march on 4 July.

 Announcing plans for the long march at a press conference yesterday, DUP
 assembly member said "This is only the first stage. There will be another
 in September and a third sometime in the millennium." Spokesperson Jonathan
 Bell added: "No one should be offended if the march passes through
 nationalist areas".

 Berry recently threatened that Orangemen would walk the Garvaghy Road no
 matter what in a clear message that this march has more to do with unionist
 supremacy than civil rights.

 The proposed route for the march, which will also link up with feeder
 parades, has antagonised nationalists.

 Their proposed route will take them through Greysteel, the

Re: [CTRL] UKs imminent slaughter ??

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

hi,

I am always ready to listen to sanity in this mad world, but I do have a
horrible suspicion that I'm right somewhere there - and thanks for the
support there  maybe I'm one of the lost Benjamite Tribe ???
The Columbine High school massacre gun control equivalent was the Dunblane
primary school massacre in Scotland 2-3 years ago ... by a 'loner' with
masonic connections. The immediate effect was to eradicate all guns from
the people of the UK.
I used to think that the UK was always several years behind the USA in terms
of culture, entertainment, social trends, but you've got to hand it to
Death Star UK - its ALL tightly sewn up now.
In keeping with the UNESCO and WHO healthy START, healthy CITIZEN programme,
social devaints a la Global 2000 will be allocated a social worker come
policeman to help them determine their re-education and health needs.
Homeless Bills are on the agenda at the moment, as well as a general trend
in UK TV, Commercial UK MUSIC/POP  to portray Mental Illness in the most
biased and horrific way.
The local mental Hospital has a 'patient tracking unit' - lets put it this
way, it wasn't called 'out patient follow up'
I would not be surprised under those circumstances to hear of someone going
berserk real soon - in fact the UK introduced the new diagnosis of
'Dangerous Personality Disorder' for which diagnosis you can be locked up
indefinitely.
If some 'Dangerous Personality' driven to the brink of madness because of
social injustice to his 'mental' disability, his benefits cut, his pension
stripped under the new legislation, his mental health - perhaps manipulated
by suggestions, programming and other MONARCH stuff - does snap and run amok,
then the quick response will literally be LEGISLATION, TAGGING, TRACKING, and
New Filing Systems - operated from some central facility considered
benevolent.
And unfortunately - the place I fingered Fits the Bill exactly .. :)

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] Deja Vu, Deja vu?

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

>From http://www.centraleurope.com/

> Budapest Backs Autonomy Plan For Serbia's Ethnic Hungarians
>
> BUDAPEST, Jun 17, 1999 -- (Agence France Presse) Hungarian Prime
> Minister Viktor Orban said Wednesday he backs an autonomy plan
> proposed by a 300,000-member ethnic Hungarian minority in Serbia,
> following the Kosovo crisis.
>
> He called for agreement on the status of the Hungarian community in
> the northern Serbian province of Vojvodina.
>
> "I can see a realistic chance for an accord on the situation of the
> Vojvodina Hungarians as well, in the framework of the Kosovo
> settlement," Orban told state radio.
>
> He welcomed the fact that Vojvodina Hungarians had worked out a
> concrete autonomy plan. "To win the support of Western decision-makers
> for these ideas is the duty and responsibility of the Hungarian
> government," he said.
>
> Budapest has been seriously concerned about the impact of the Kosovo
> crisis on the Vojvodina Hungarians. Hungary joined NATO shortly before
> Operation Allied Force began on March 24.
>
> Vojvodina Hungrian community leader Jozsef Kasza said in Budapest last
> week that the autonomy plan was jointly worked out by Vojvodina ethnic
> Hungarian and Hungarian government experts.
>
> Orban warned that large numbers of Serb settlers could flood into the
> Vojvodina after the Kosovo conflict, citing a similar effect following
> the 1991-95 Bosnian war.
>
> "The 250,000 Serb refugees who settled there considerably spoilt the
> interest-safeguarding capacity of the Vojvodina Hungarians."
>
> "It is a realistic danger that the events of three years ago (after
> the Bosnian war) could be repeated in the Vojvodina, although in a
> less dramatic form," he added.
>
> Ethnic Hungarians currently represent some 18 percent of the
> population of the Vojvodina, a province which enjoyed considerable
> autonomy before Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic scrapped it in
> 1991. ((c) 1999 Agence France Presse)



<>

> U.S. Military Data Cartridge Found On Hungarian Trash Heap
>
> BUDAPEST, Jun 17, 1999 -- (Reuters) A classified U.S. military data
> cartridge has been found in a scrapyard in Budapest, the U.S. embassy
> in Budapest confirmed Wednesday.
>
> The cartridge, labeled "Secret, U.S. Government Property", was found
> in a metal case closed with a digital lock, and was wrapped in a
> mailbag of the U.S. Defense Department, according to news reports.
>
> "U.S. government property marked secret has been found," an embassy
> official confirmed to AFP, declining to give further details.
>
> The cartridge was found by a worker in a scrapyard that collects metal
> from around the Taszar airbase in southern Hungary, used by U.S.
> troops. He took it to a Hungarian TV station, which passed it on to
> the U.S. embassy.
>
> The station broadcast a report on the find, showing the Walkman-sized
> silver and black cartridge, on which could also be read the
> inscription "This medium is classified protected from unauthorized
> disclosure in compliance with applicable executive orders, statutes
> and regulations."
>
> The bag also contained two keys and the password necessary for
> decoding the message on the Colorado DT-1000 type data cartridge,
> according to the TV2 private television station.
>
> But experts, who estimated that the cartridge had been discarded 12-18
> months ago, said it was unlikely non-experts could retrieve the
> information stored in the cartridge.
>
> "The person who stored the keys and the password alongside the
> cartridge failed to respect the most basic rules of secrecy," expert
> Janos Kis told AFP.
>
> The keys, which must be inserted into a special decoder, and the
> secret password which must be typed in to decode the information on
> the cartridge, should not be stored together, he explained.
>
> "But it is highly unlikely that any device used by civilians in
> Hungary could decode or read the data cartridge," Kis said.
>
> The Taszar base has operated since 1995 as a supply base for US troops
> in the International Forces (IFOR), then Stabilization Forces (SFOR)
> peacekeeping forces in Bosnia. From May this year, U.S. marines used
> it for bombing mission in neighboring Yugoslavia.
>
> The TV station involved blacked out the faces of all U.S. officials
> involved, in its report on the find. ((c) 1999 Reuters)


A<>E<>R
~~~
The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking
new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
A merely fallen enemy may rise again, but the reconciled
one is truly vanquished. -Johann Christoph Schiller,
   German Writer (1759-1805)
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
It is preoccupation with possessions, more than anything else, that
prevents us from living freely and nobly. -Bertrand Russell
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
"Everyone has the right...to

[CTRL] Mirror, Mirror

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

>From www.theatlantic.com/issues/99jun/9906mirror.htm

The Mirror of Dorian Gray
> Mirrors never lie, they say. But how much truth do we really want?
>
> by Cullen Murphy
>
> FREUD. Durkheim. Levi-Strauss. Mead. Lorenz. Bettelheim. Spock.
> Skinner. And now the Walter siblings, of Manhattan, whose names may
> one day join these others on the edifice of self-understanding. John
> Walter, whose background is in physics and computer science, and
> Catherine Walter, whose background is in cultural anthropology, are
> the progenitors of the Hair Part Theory, an exploration of
> psycho-behavioral dynamics to which a friend recently drew my
> attention. The Hair Part Theory states,
>
>
>
> The way a person parts [his or her] hair is related to many
> subconscious associations when assessed by others. Each hair part type
> initiates cycles of behavior toward, and response from, the
> individual. Over time, these cycles affect personality development.
>
>
>
> The underlying premise of the Hair Part Theory is that parting one's
> hair on the left calls subliminal attention to left-hemisphere brain
> processes -- associated with logic, verbal acuity, and "activities
> traditionally attributed to masculinity in our culture" -- and tends
> to be regarded as natural for men. Similarly, parting one's hair on
> the right evokes right-hemisphere processes -- associated with visual,
> artistic, and musical skills, and "nonlinear tasks traditionally
> attributed to femininity in our culture" -- and tends to be regarded
> as natural for women.
>
> Discuss this article in Post & Riposte.
>
> More on arts & culture in The Atlantic Monthly and Atlantic Unbound.
>
>
> Related links:
>
> "Hair Part Theory: What Is Your Hair Part Saying About You?", by John
> Walter and Catherine Walter (1998) "The Effects of Hair Parting on
> Social Appraisal and Personal Development."
>
> True Mirror
> The official Web site of the True Mirror, hosted by John and Catherine
> Walter. Features customer testimonials, press releases, the "Hair Part
> Theory," and an order form.
>
>
> I don't intend to get drawn into a debate on differences between the
> sexes; the Hair Part Theory has to do with cultural perceptions, not
> biological realities. The Walters' point is merely that the "wrong"
> hair part can play against type, sometimes in a way that proves subtly
> advantageous but more often in a way that creates vague discomfort in
> onlookers and may lead to being shunned. Being shunned, in turn, may
> reinforce eccentricity and other abnormal behavior.
>
> Margaret Thatcher's left-side part supposedly enhanced her aura of
> strength and will; Hillary Clinton's left-side part seems to produce a
> more brittle version of the same effect. The right-side parts of
> Robert Kennedy, Laurence Olivier, Gary Cooper, and Lou Gehrig added an
> intriguingly soft dimension to otherwise solid, confident personas.
> But Jimmy Carter's right-side part may have reinforced perceptions of
> inadequacy; he didn't switch hair-part side to the left until halfway
> through his presidency -- too late. Overall, six American Presidents
> maintained right-side parts throughout their term in office; three of
> them (James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, and Warren G. Harding) are
> deemed by historians to be among our worst, and two others (John Tyler
> and Chester Arthur) are deemed to be inconsequential. (The sixth was
> Ronald Reagan.) Bill Clinton's brushed-back coiffure defies rigid
> analysis, but manifests a "right emphasis." Other well-known
> right-parters: Major Frank Burns, of M*A*S*H; John Tesh; MAD
> magazine's Alfred E. Neuman; Al Gore; Macaulay Culkin; Regis Philbin.
> In the movies Clark Kent parts his hair on the right. Appropriately,
> Superman parts his hair on the left.
>
> The origins of the Hair Part Theory lie in John Walter's adolescence,
> when he remedied a seemingly intractable deficiency in social standing
> by the simple expedient of changing his hair part from right to left.
> Simultaneously, Walter experienced an epiphany regarding the insidious
> role played by the common household mirror, which had shown him in
> reverse all those years.
>
> Moved by his experience, Walter embarked on a crusade to create a
> mirror that would show objects not in reverse but as they actually
> appear to observers -- an effect one sometimes encounters accidentally
> through a freak alignment of mirrors in a hotel bathroom. A patent for
> a nonreversing mirror had in fact been issued in England, in 1887; an
> actual prototype has never been found and may never have been made.
> Walter tackled the problem anew. The result is the True Mirror, which
> "shows you what you look like to others" and thus "allows you to gain
> an accurate sense of yourself."
>
> *  *  *
>
>
> Not long ago, finding myself in New York City, where the Walter
> siblings have set up a workshop, I decided to buy a True Mirror. The
> workshop fronted on a dark alley a block or so of

[CTRL] Hack-tivism

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

>From Christian Science Monitor


> FRIDAY, JUNE 18, 1999
>
> e-mail this story to a friend
>
>
> USA
>
> Newest tool for social protest: the Internet
>
> Crashing Web sites, known as 'hactivism,' gains popularity, angers
> traditional activists
>
> Paul Van Slambrouck
> Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
>
> SAN FRANCISCO
>
> 
>
> When the industrial powers and Russia start their annual summit in
> Cologne, Germany, today, protesters will ride bikes in London, perform
> street theater in Chile, and manipulate a giant puppet in San
> Francisco.
>
> Pretty much the usual stuff when the G-8 gathers. But on the fringes
> of this worldwide protest against the forces of "corporate
> globalization" is something new.
>
> It's the fledgling field of "hactivism," which blends Internet
> technology with the social protest producing new tools and methods
> that are not only annoying their targets - usually government and
> institutional Web sites - but also the ranks of traditional activists.
>
> Ricardo Dominguez is a leading proponent of hactivism and his New
> York-based Electronic Disturbance Theater plans to conduct what he
> calls a "virtual sit-in" today at the same as the global protests
> against the G-8.
>
> Mr. Dominguez's target is the Mexican government and its treatment of
> the people of Chiapas. Those who want to join the sit-in are
> encouraged to download free software that allows computers to
> repeatedly call up a Mexican government Web site, thus overloading its
> server and impairing its ability to function.
>
> CHIAPAS: Hactivists, protesting Mexico's treatment of
> Zapatistas (shown), are overloading the government Web site. SCOTT
> SADY/AP/FILE
> --
> --
>
>
> In addition, the theater's "electronic civil disobedience" will
> include a function so participants can ask the government Web site to
> do a search for "truth," presumably to tie it up further and make the
> symbolic point that the government is lying about the Zapatistas.
>
> "Our intent is disturbance. We want to slow [the Web site] down and
> make them aware that there is a large community worldwide that knows
> what they're doing," says Dominguez.
>
> Hactivists are a different breed from pure hackers, who invade
> computer systems usually out of mischief or to demonstrate
> vulnerabilities. But as the tools of hackers become more widely
> available, people with political objectives are increasingly using
> them and the Internet to attack their enemies.
>
> The backdrop to this activism is an exploding use of the Internet by
> social movements. Because it can reach more people, more rapidly and
> less expensively than other forms of communication, the Internet is
> revolutionizing the way activists organize campaigns.
>
> But hactivists like Dominguez are continually searching for more
> potent uses of today's technology to make a statement. He's an actor
> and artist and sees his form of electronic civil disobedience as akin
> to traditional uses of street theater to call attention to social
> problems.
>
> However, many social activists are either ambivalent or downright
> hostile toward this new form of protest.
>
> "I think it's idiotic," says Ted Lewis, director of the Mexico program
> at the Global Exchange, a social-justice group based in San Francisco.
> "The problem with this tool, this use of the Internet, is that it's
> not constructive. To simply close down a Web site is not good Internet
> etiquette and if it gets turned around, it'll hurt free speech on the
> Internet."
>
> The Electronic Disturbance Theater is not alone in disrupting Web
> sites. During the height of NATO's attacks on Yugoslavia, for
> instance, the official NATO Web site was bombarded with requests meant
> to overload it. Dominguez says a group of Serbs and Albanians used EDT
> software for attacks on the NATO site.
>
> David Ronfeldt, a Rand specialist in the use of technology to support
> the Zapatistas in Mexico, says the flooding and defacing of Web sites
> is clearly on the rise. But it is difficult to know which are truly
> organized political acts and which are just lone acts of vandalism.
>
> Further, he says, "it remains to be seen whether they become an
> effective or divisive force" within leftist protest circles.
>
> Harry Cleaver at the University of Texas in Austin has studied the use
> of the Internet and social movements and concludes that the kind of
> actions espoused by EDT have been widely shunned by social activists
> of all stripes. Though it has gained some favor in Italy, attacking
> Web sites is not generally being embraced as a legitimate protest
> tactic, he says.
>
> Some activists see room for attacks on Web sites, but only when it's
> part of a strategy with a clear purpose. "Who does it support? That's
> the key question," says Bob Schmitt, a manager of the Technology
> Project in Helena, Mont.
>
> Dominguez says his grou

Re: [CTRL] WHY WHITES ARE LEADERLESS [media lords] get educated b4 it's too late!

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

I think that you have a serious problem sir.
You confuse deliberate machinations of government with its victims.
Keep your prejudice.
Looking for Scapegoats is the Classic occupation of the impotent.

Andrew Hennessey

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] Ohio OBM '97 CAFR Page

[Anonymous]

http://www.state.oh.us/obm/finfiles/cafr97.htm

Title: Ohio OBM '97 CAFR Page







Ohio Comprehensive Annual Financial Report -
1997 

Complete Ohio 1997 CAFR (1770832 bytes)*
This file contains all sections of the published CAFR for 1997. 

Introductory Section (621332 bytes)*
The introductory section of the CAFR contains the letter of transmittal, pie charts of
expenditures and revenues, certificate of achievement, a listing of state officials, and
an organization chart for Ohio. 

Financial Section 


  Independent Auditors' Report (573672 bytes)* 
  General Purpose Financial Statements (303238 bytes)* 
  Combining Financial Statements and Schedules ( 397725 bytes)* 


Statistical Section (121718 bytes)*
The statistical section provides supplemental historic data on various topics including
revenues by source, expenditures by function, bonded debt, personal income, population,
unemployment, etc.

* These files were
created in Adobe's ".PDF" format. You will need Adobe's FREE Acrobat Reader
to view and/or print them. 



Return to OBM Front Page

State of Ohio Front Page

[CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #3

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

SkeptiNews 990617c - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
: No envenomed reptiles were utilized during production of this bulletin.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# BRAIN SURGERY SANS SCALPEL. New imaging technology and gamma-radiation
  treatments could make the surgical skull saw as obsolete as leeches.
  www.wired.com/news/news/email/explode-infobeat/technology/story/20273.html

# Why size mattered for Einstein. (BBC) The secret of Einstein's immense
  intellect may finally have been found - his brain was wider than average.
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_371000/371698.stm

: Would you have liked to have operated on Einstein's brain? Would you use a
scalpel, laser, raygun? Why are they squelching news of his alien implant?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ THE ORGANIZATION PLAN. "One can still ask, all other things being equal,
or else in the long run, or else on the average, what form of organization
of human groups is best? ...I propose to try to learn from human history.
Human history over the last 13,000 years comprises tens of thousands of dif-
ferent experiments. Each human society represents a different natural exper-
iment in organizing human groups. Human societies have been organized very
differently, and the outcomes have been very different. Some societies have
been much more productive and innovative than others. What can we learn from
these natural experiments of history that will help us all get rich? I prop-
ose to go over two batches of natural experiments that will give you ins-
ights into how to get rich." www.feedmag.com/essay/es227_master.html?alert

: Would you rather be judged for success on your wealth, power, technology,
lack of alien interventions, spiritual achievements, sex appeal, meanness?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# US House OKs posting of Ten Commandments. WASHINGTON (AP) Congress, trying
  to deter juvenile crime, voted to permit display of the Ten Commandments
  in schools as lawmakers headed toward a showdown on gun control. One law-
  maker, Rep. Bob Barr, R-Ga., said recently that if the Ten Commandments
  had been posted at Columbine High School, the April 20 massacre there
  would never have happened. The amendment's sponsor didn't go that far.
  See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559972451-987

: Is Barr a moron? If politicos can lie, steal, adulterize, kill, why can't
kids? Do your belief system's rules affect your behavior? Always? Are alien
implants or HAARP more effective than the various versions of commandments?
Do you prefer Jewish, Christian, Protestant, Adventist, Discordian versions?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Free To Duel, Drink, Beg & Blaspheme. ROME (Reuters) Italians are finally
  free to duel, insult the flag, get drunk or beg nastily without fear of
  criminal conviction. The parliament of this bureaucratic Roman Catholic
  country passed a law decriminalizing some 100 minor offenses, including
  blasphemy and insulting a public official. Drunkenness and "insulting
  behaviour" toward the deceased are no longer crimes, while offering to
  ghost-write a student's thesis and "incitement to libertinism" no longer
  carry prison terms. http://news.excite.com/news/r/990617/10/odd-crimes

: Does your belief system ban these behaviours? Do you follow the rules? Do
you pay more attention to secular, holy or moral laws? What do the voices in
your head tell you? Are they louder when you're drunk? What public official
will you insult, now that it's no longer illegal? Will you duel, beg, fart?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Bigfoot Community Living In Ohio Forest, Say Locals. "I have seen the
  creature nine times," Gilbert said. "I have been in situations that have
  nearly scared me to death." http://www.jeffrense.com/ufo4/bigfootcom.htm

# Dead-Looking Snakes Can Strike Back. BOSTON (Reuters) - Rattlesnakes can
  take revenge on those who attack'em even if their heads have been chopped
  off and they appear to be dead. www.jeffrense.com/ufo4/snakeback.htm

: Would you rather deal with a live Yeti or a dead rattlesnake? Do rattlers
or bigfeet live in your community? Which're more bothersome? Are you biased?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Protestants arrested in Mexico. SAN CRISTOBAL DE LAS CASAS, Mexico (AP) -
  13 Protestants who angered residents of an Indian village in south Mexico
  by trying to build a new church have been arrested. The arrests were yet
  another episode in a long history of religious conflict in the Chiapas
  region. Many residents see their unique mixture of Catholicism and
  traditional Maya Indian beliefs as crucial to cultural survival. See
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559963470-1c6

: Does your belief system promote cultural genocide? Which cultures would
you like to destroy? Do you need help from Reptoids, Bilderbergers, CIA, m

[CTRL] Billionaires

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

-- Forwarded message -

  Citation: Forbes Oct 13 1997, v160, n8, p148(2)
Author:  Conlin, Michelle
 Title: When billionaires become a dime a dozen. (includes related
article on criteria used to determine the Forbes
   400)(Forbes 400) by Michelle Conlin

COPYRIGHT 1997 Forbes Inc.
FIFTEEN YEARS AGO we started compiling these lists of the 400 richest
Americans. In 1982 we identified 13 Americans as billionaires. This year we
count 170 billionaires. Over the same period the price of admission  to The
Forbes Four Hundred has quintupled, to $475 million.
It would seem that wealth is following a sort of Moore's Law of its own.
Intel's Gordon Moore predicted that silicon power would double every 18
months. If wealth isn't compounding at that rate, it certainly is growing at a
faster clip than at any other time in history. Last year, on average, Bill
Gates' net worth grew by an astounding $400 million every week. Michael Dell's
net worth increased fivefold, to $5.5 billion.
But computer magnates aren't the only people benefiting from the Silicon
Revolution. As we report elsewhere (see p. 98) people in businesses far
removed from computer making and designing are building success by applying
computers to mundane businesses.
Financial services entrepreneurs also made big gains, backing up Peter
Drucker's claim that the retail end of finance will become increasingly
important. This year we add three newcomers from that field: Sanford Weill of
the Travelers Group, Richard Strong of Strong Capital Management and Julian
Robertson of Tiger Management.
Irene Pennington, at 97, becomes the oldest new member in the history  of The
Four Hundred. And one of the feistiest, too. Nine months before  the death of
her husband, oil baron Doc Pennington, the nonagenarian  took control of the
family fortune, promptly fired his cronies and smartly reinvested his $600
million, much of which was thought to have been languishing in local checking
accounts.
Though the stock market boomed and technology soared, economist Joseph
Schumpeter's rule of creative destruction still prevailed. The very factors
that made new enterpreneurs rich swept older entrepreneurs from their perches.
"Some of the wealthy can't stand success," says original Silicon Valley
seed-money man Arthur Rock. "They squander away their assets with bad
investments." Thus 43 of last year's 400 were put out of the club this year.
Of 1982's original 400, only 106 remain on  the list.
Membership seesaws, too. Rock himself fell off the 400 in 1987 but returns
this year, largely on the strength of his Intel holdings. Also returning,
thanks to Walt Disney Co.'s compensation committee: option- supercharged
Michael Eisner.
When he announced that he planned to give $1 billion to United Nations
programs, media magnate Ted Turner said he was deliberately demoting himself
on the list. Until we see the exact color of Ted's money, however, we are
leaving our estimate of his wealth at $3.5 billion and leaving him in 28th
place. If he really does fork over $1 billion in cash or stock, he'll drop
down to the 55th spot.

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #3

[Colleen Jones]

 -Caveat Lector-

Well they are going to post the Ten Commandmantsthey should begin in
the congress and the Federal Buildings

Start with the IRS; I usualy make the sign of the cross when I go in
thereand I assure you they are san humour, san pit, sans
everything..

Let us all insist the sign of the Cross be placed upon the entrance to
the IRSor the sign of the Mojoeither one would be appropriate.

Loved that story Rick.

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] Milocevic, take a bow.

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

>   I don't think that Milocevic wishes to start any wars. Why would you
suggest that he wished to start them? Do you have evidence that it was he
that started these wars?


In one sense, NATO started this war in '91 when it recognized Slovenia and
Croatia, thereby touching off the Yugolavian Civil War.

In another sense, the IMF started this war when they crashed the Yugoslav
economy. Before the IMF yanked the rug out, Yugoslavs got along with each
other just fine, even with the ones who raped grandma and burned her
alive, because it was of direct economic advantage of each and every one
of them to do so. They were all living better that they did when they
fought, some very much better.

But in yet another sense, Milosovic started this war because before the
IMF yanked the rug out, long before he was president, he was chief among
the FRY bureaucrats who made the deal that let the IMF get its grip on the
edge of the rug in the first place.

But to hear network news tell it, the war was started three months ago by
"the Serbs," by which they mean "Milosovic" and not "the Serbian people"
who NATO has been murdering wholesale but "has nothing against" because
their beef is "with Milosovic," whom they are distinctly not murdering.

The Serbian people, BTW, are only about 60% ethnic Serb.

"War," as the man said, "is peace."

"The past was erased, the erasure was forgotten, the lie became truth."

"Ignorance is strength."

"Freedom is slavery."

Oh yeah, and (I almost forgot), "Work makes you free."

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] Milocevic, take a bow.

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

>Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Kosova.  Yugoslav/Serb troops and
paramilitaries attack, and eventually lose.  Slobby controls those troops,
ergo, Slobby started and lost the wars.

Virginia, Georgia, North and South Carolina, Alabama.   Union/Yankee
troops and paramilitaries attack, and eventually win. Lincoln controls
those troops, ergo, Lincoln started and won the war.

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Milocevic, take a bow.]

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

>hunt up *Gladiator at Law* by Frederik Pohl and C.M. Kornbluth--long out
of print, but VERY relevant to our discussions. Note especially the role
of the Struldbrugs in manipulating the market...

Check out  by Hakim Bey. It's in print. It's the definitive study of
the Temporary Autonomous Zone, in history and today. Most relevant. Very
inspirational.

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] *NEW*revelation by klintoon former bodyguard, L.D.Brown [London Times]

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

CIA 'tried to buy IRA ceasefire'
by Phelim AcAleer and Kevin Dowling

A FORMER member of Bill Clinton's security staff has alleged that the
American government backed a Central Intelligence Agency scheme to buy off
the IRA to encourage a ceasefire in Northern Ireland.
L Douglas Brown, a former Arkansas state trooper and CIA contractor, claims
in his new book Crossfire
http://209.207.145.74/crossfire/
that the plan involved the establishment of electronics factories near the
border to provide jobs for nationalists and channel money to the terrorist
organisation. Brown also claims he was offered a well-paid job in the
project as an inducement not to give evidence against Clinton in the
investigation being conducted by Kenneth Starr, the special prosecutor.

The illicit funding claim was denied yesterday by Ken Livingstone, the
Labour MP, who was a consultant to the scheme. But the left-wing MP for
Brent East in London did corroborate key parts of Brown's story about the
project, which was to use Russian satellite technology to develop mobile
telephones. The plan was abandoned in 1996, after five years of secret
planning and research, because of technical difficulties.

Nancy Soderberg, formerly Clinton's key adviser on Ireland, was also
involved.

According to Brown's account, he was approached in 1996 by John McBrearty, a
wealthy businessman who has close links to the American government and its
agencies. Brown claims he was offered $300,000 to join Geosys, a firm
controlled by McBrearty. He says he refused, because he believed it was a
bid to dissuade him from giving evidence on Clinton's womanising.

In the book he reproduces a written job offer from McBrearty, which said
that Geosys would build a number of large factories south of the border. It
added: "What we are looking at here is jobs for the boys in exchange for a
ceasefire, the peace process and a diplomatic triumph for the US."

Brown says McBrearty had made it clear the plan was a two-edged sword - to
provide jobs for nationalists and secretly fund the IRA. He declined the
offer and subsequently made a number of accusations against Clinton, for
whom he worked until 1992.

Livingstone said this weekend that Brown's account distorted the Geosys
project and denied that it was an attempt to channel funds to the IRA. The
MP said he was approached by McBrearty because he had contacts in Ireland
and in Russia. He said the plan was to build seven 60,000 sq ft factories,

so as to create jobs in areas of high unemployment and remove one of the
causes of conflict.

McBrearty, who had an office at Pembroke Road, Dublin, wanted to create a
mobile phone which would rely entirely on redundant Russian satellites to
process calls. This would reduce the cost of phone calls as they would not
be reliant on terrestrial lines. It would also make them immune from
interference by governments.

According to Livingstone, the scheme was in an advanced stage before it was
shelved. The Russian defence ministry had given permission for its redundant
satellites to be used. He said the project had huge potential. "They would
have sold millions and the business was to be set up as a non-profit
corporation with me as chairman. All the profits were to be ploughed into
projects such as UN disaster relief and to alleviate famines," he said.

"It was a peace phone. It means you can phone anybody in the world who has a
similar phone without the state interfering or blocking it."

The software was to have been created in Russia and the equipment assembled
in Ireland. Livingstone said the American government offered to provide the
necessary start-up capital.

"The Clinton White House had agreed to put up between $100m and $150m. The
link with them was Soderberg. It was made clear there would be no problem
getting money from the White House," he said. Soderberg, now an American
ambassador at the United Nations, was Clinton's main adviser on Ireland at
the time.

"Initially there would have been tens of thousands of jobs and then hundreds
of thousands and these would all be people with good jobs who would then, it
was hoped, put the war behind them. In the end the technology wasn't
advanced enough," Livingstone said.

McBrearty put a deposit on planes he would need to transport the material
from Russia before the project collapsed.

The American brought a prototype of the phone to Britain. Livingstone said:
"He came to my house in north London and we set it up in my back garden and
pointed it towards the Russian satellite, which is due south. I phoned Tony
Benn and got through. Then I phoned a friend in Canada and it blew every
electrical gadget in my house."

Soderberg declined to comment on the claims but a senior White House source
said the project would have been exactly the kind of initiative the Clinton
administration would have wanted to promote.

http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/99/05/02/stiireire02003.html?99
9

Bard

Visit me at:
The Center for Ex

[CTRL] "CROSSFIRE" by L. D. Brown [former klintoon bodyguard] gotta read this!

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

(Note:  L.D. Brown was the guest of Ray Briem Talk Show tonight, 5-7PM
Pacific, 870AM KIEV, Glendale-Los Angeles, and listened, on my way home from
work, to Mr. Brown being interviewed by Mr. Briem.)  WOW! What a show!

Witness in the Clinton Investigation
BY L.D. BROWN

Now subject to news coverage in the London Sunday Times with its revelation
of a covert White House operation in Northern Ireland. GO TO:
http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/99/05/02/stiireire02003.html?99
9




L.D. Brown has been a witness to almost all the alleged offenses circling
around Bill Clinton in Arkansas: misuse of state funds for sexual liaisons,
Whitewater, illegal campaign fundraising and bribery, as well as cocaine use
and cocaine smuggling. And through his ultimate cooperation with prosecutors
and congressional investigators, Brown has learned the inside story on
Robert Fiske's and Kenneth Starr's operations and on congressional hearings.
But most of all, L.D. Brown can tell the story of the methods used by the
Clinton White House to control potentially damaging witnesses. Most of what
is written in this book has been told under penalty of perjury to
investigators for Congress and the Office of Independent Counsel.
Documentation for many events has been included in an appendix. However
incredible some details may seem, they are backed up by evidence. When the
investigation of President Clinton started, Brown came under fire from both
sides: from the Clintonistas who wanted him to keep his mouth shut and from
the "Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy" who wanted him to say what they wanted to
hear. With this book he returns the fire--in both directions.


This book will answer the questions:
What did the C. I. A. know about cocaine smuggling at Mena, Arkansas, and
when did it know it?
What did Bill Clinton know about cocaine smuggling at Mena, Arkansas?
Who was Brown sent to assassinate in Mexico?
What is the secret relationship between Bill Clinton and George Bush?
What is the relationship between Mike Wallace and the C. I. A.?
What Democrat U.S. Senator overheard the President threatening to "sick the
I.R.S." on L.D. Brown?
What Republican U.S. Senator promised L.D. Brown a job in return for
cooperation?
What clandestine operation of the White House National Security Council was
aimed at diverting revenues from food aid to support the Irish Republican
Army?
What two specific intelligence jobs was L.D. Brown offered by the White
House in return for his silence?
Who asked Brown to collaborate with James Carville and for what purpose?
>From whom did Brown collect money as Bill Clinton's "bag man"?
How did Brown end up receiving money from the "Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy"?
What White House employee, other than Monica Lewinsky, was transferred to
the Pentagon when her affair with the President was revealed in court?

Excerpts from Crossfire:
* * *
"The Boca Raton Resort had several bars which were first class and full of
patrons. With the conference being over, Bill felt a little more at ease in
the hotel, not fearing being seen drunk or womanizing by any of the other
governors. We met a couple of people in the bar and Bill stepped out for a
few minutes, long enough for me to become concerned. As I went to look for
him, I first checked the bathroom. I called his name but got no answer. Just
as I was about to leave, I saw his number 13s protruding from under one of
the stalls. 'Bill, are you okay?' I asked, knowing there couldn't be another
foot that big in Boca Raton. 'Yeah, yeah L. D., these damned sinuses are
killing me!' As I retreated to the bar, I realized what was going on. Bill
knew that with my prior experiences in drug enforcement I didn't tolerate
illicit drug use--particularly 'nose candy.'"

* * *
"'C'mon, L. D., let's go take a leak,' the Senator commanded as Justin and I
got up from the table. An aide of the Senator also got up. He apparently
never went anywhere without a staff person. We walked to the rest room while
the Senator had his arm around my neck. I was beginning to think that he
liked me a little too much and was wondering if I might have to tell him
that I peed alone when we got inside. What happened next I have never told
for the public record before this. I am glad my lawyer was there as I'm sure
he'll be by my side when I tell it again."


* * *
Publication of the book has taken more than a year because several
publishers, who started negotiations on publication, later withdrew from the
project. The charges made in the book against members of both sides of the
political aisle are explosive.

To get the book out despite its allegations against prominent political
figures, L. D. Brown has had to contract its publication himself.
Publication date: April 23, 1999. Now shipping.


Orders Accepted Now:
A special 20% discount on the list price of $14.95 is offered on all orders
placed through this web site. T

[CTRL] Covert White House Operation in Northern Ireland

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

 L.D. Brown:
Crossfire: Witness in the Clinton Investigation
In this memoir, the former Clinton employee for the first time tells the
full story of what really happened in Arkansas, how it was covered up, and
why the Office of Independent Counsel has done nothing about it. He also
reveals the efforts of the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" to enlist him for
their cause. (296 pages. Published April 1999)
Order your copy today! | See other books/videos for sale.


Covert White House Operation in Northern Ireland
Former Intelligence Operative Reveals Airplanes-for-Food Scheme



By MARVIN LEE



While in public mediating as a neutral arbitrator between the two sides of
the conflict in Northern Ireland, the White House has run a covert operation
aimed at supporting one side financially.

That revelation was made last week by a former intelligence operative who
was asked to join the operation in 1997. L.D. Brown in his new book
"Crossfire," released last week, recounts how that offer was made to him at
2 a.m. on a bus in the English countryside by an intelligence operative by
the name of T. John McBrearty.

"He would fly in food to the former Soviet states and in return he would
receive airplane parts. At times, he said, he would receive entire airplanes
like an intact Sukhoi-29 fighter which he said he had flown to Ireland where
he maintained an office," Brown writes of McBrearty, who proceeded to
outline who was behind the operation:



"You know L. D., we could use a man like you in this operation," he said, as
I was now leaning toward him to catch every word. Going deeper, he asked me,
"You know what a proprietary is don't you?" I knew that after I had flown on
the airplane trips with [Barry] Seal and the subsequent Iran-Contra hearings
that proprietaries were the cutout fake airline companies C. I. A. set up to
facilitate their business. I was waiting for the other shoe to drop, or
maybe the gun to go off. Here I was in the middle of the English
countryside, alone with a guy who had obviously been sent by the C. I. A. to
get me involved in another operation--and Bill Clinton was involved in some
way.
The connection to Bill Clinton and the White House would become more obvious
to Brown through the names of some involved in the operation, including
Clinton financial backer Jackson Stephens:


I would soon learn that it would also be an attempt to keep me out of the
country. John said I would accompany him on airplane trips out of the
country as well. He told me he would soon be flying to Brazzaville, Congo
with a load of food for example. "You've heard of Southern Air Transport?"
he asked, again knowing my answer. "Sure, in Florida," I answered, familiar
with S. A. T. having been a C. I. A. proprietary. "Well, I fly some of these
airplane parts to Florida. You know, Jack Stephens buys some of them, and we
go on from there." He was referring to Jackson Stephens the billionaire
Clinton supporter at whose house I had met John Glenn. But there was more.
"L. D., a lady by the name of Nancy Soderberg is involved in this. She works
for Clinton as an adviser on Northern Ireland," he explained, as the
machinations of how the operation worked began to unfold. John told me of a
plant that makes electronic equipment in Ireland near the border with
Northern Ireland. Being familiar with the 'troubles' between the Northern
Protestants and the Catholic Irish Republicans, I realized what he was
saying. The goal was to provide employment to the Irish near the border who
were sympathetic to the Irish Republicans. The money made from the airplane
trips would fund these activities. He told me Soderberg would soon be
leaving her position and would be focusing on the operation.

Nancy Soderberg was at the time deputy staff director at the White House
National Security Council.

But McBrearty had a more immediate role for Brown: "I want you to call James
 Carville and work with him to get the intelligence agencies off our ass."

L.D. Brown, who at the time was studying for a Ph.D. in England and was
looking for a job, considered the offer for a while and stayed in contact
with McBrearty. Brown consulted friends, some knowledgeable in the field of
intelligence, for advice. They warned him of potential hidden motives for
getting him involved in the operation. Through those consultations, however,
part of the story leaked to the press causing Brown to fear potential
consequences to him and his family. R. Emmett Tyrrell, editor of the
American Spectator, wrote of a $300,000 offer to L. D. Brown from the
Clinton administration, without revealing details of the offer.

Those details have not been revealed until the release of Brown's book last
week.




[L. D. Brown's book "Crossfire," released Friday of last week, is available
from http://crossfirebook.com (not ava

[CTRL] Fwd: (en) 'WE WON'T GO TO KOSOVO' - The Movement of Draft Refusal and Desertion i

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

 
  A - I N F O S  N E W S  S E R V I C E
http://www.ainfos.ca/
 

Introduction
The sudden appearance of working class resistance to the war effort in
central Serbia in late May should be an inspiration to proletarians in
all the war-affected countries. In the immediate term it probably wonit
be, but we owe it to our class brothers and sisters in this region to
spread the spirit of their struggle as best we can. The conscript
soldiers who deserted, their relatives and other proletarians who have
physically attacked the media and local government (and even the
occasional general!) showed an admirable lack of patriotism, a real
spirit of defeatism - they  showed that they literally didnit care if
itheiri country was invaded by foreign troops. They didn't merely
quibble about the rate of killings but stated loudly and clearly that
they wanted the war to end and for all conscripts to return from the
front.

The following chronology takes its information from two main sources.
The first is the Montenegrin daily newspaper Vijesti (iNewsi). This is
the original source of almost all the news stories which have appeared
in the Western press. Like most newspapers these days it has a web site:
http://www.vijesti.cg.yu which contains all the main stories. Itis only
in Serbo-Croat. The second is the web site iFree Serbia - other voices
from Serbiai (http://www.xs4all.nl/cfreeserb/eyewitness/e-30031999.html)
which is produced by Serbian democratic oppositionists. They claim to
have a Krusevac correspondent. Their accounts seem to tally pretty well
with the accounts in Vijesti. The articles are available in Serbo-Croat
and English. Bits of information have also been gleaned from Serbian
newspapers which have web sites, notably Vreme (the well-known
oppositionist weekly magazine from Belgrade) and Nezavisna Svetlost from
Kragujevac. The media record of this movement seems to cease on 25 May.
Does this mean it was completely crushed by state repression? PossiblyO
If anyone has any further information, please let us know. At the moment
there is only information about the repression following the movement.
Three reservists have been sentenced to four years in jail by a military
tribunal in Nis. A further 24 are under investigation.

The movement seemed to be centred on two towns in central Serbia:
Krusevac and the much smaller Aleksandrovac, which are only about 20km
apart. To a lesser extent it seems to have spread over a much wider
region. The other towns definitely affected were: Raska, Prokuplje,
Kraljevo, Baljevac, Vranje, Vrnjacka Banja. We can be sure there were
others. It is hard to say if it had much of an impact on the working
class in the rest of Serbia. Naturally, the official national Serbian
media said very little about the main events of the movement, but could
not avoid mentioning that desertion and anti-war demos had happened. The
main political parties even made press statements about it. Itis certain
that some people in Belgrade heard about it directly - from telephone
calls from relatives and, more importantly, from soldiers returning from
leave - but they were only a small minority of the population.

It must not be forgotten that when the cycle of war began in Yugoslavia
in 1991 central Serbia was a region where there were many collective
revolts by conscript soldiers. The biggest, which involved 7000
reservists refusing to move from their army base, was in Kragujevac
which is about 50km North West of Krusevac. It is also a region where
there have been numerous strikes by industrial workers against the
conditions of austerity brought about by war, including in munitions
factories and other sectors of industry directly involved in war
production.

Throughout the almost continuous state of war which has existed in
Serbia since 1991 there has always been a high level of draft-dodging
and insubordination on the part of conscripts. This partly explains why
Milosevic has had to make so much use of mercenaries, local nationalist
militias and gangster warlords (such as Arkan) for his military
adventures, rather than the regular Yugoslav Army (VJ). It is also a
major reason for the "neutral" position taken by the Montenegrin
government during the NATO assault - according to a parliamentary
resolution of June 1998, the Montenegrin state is obliged to prevent the
use of Montenegrin territory by the VJ in the event of "military actions
by the international community". The level of draft dodging in
Montenegro has been even higher than in Serbia. In Niksic in February
1999 around 600 men were called up over a few days , only 5 or 6
responded! Opposition to the VJ has often taken a very public form. In
February 1999 the family of a soldier killed in Kosovo placed an
announcement in Montenegro's largest circulation daily newspaper Pobjeda
denouncing "failed politics" as "the reason that the

[CTRL] Thank goodness for the Line-Item Veto!

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

House approves school display of Ten Commandments



By DAVID ESPO
The Associated Press
06/17/99 10:13 PM Eastern

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Searching for a way to curb youth violence, the House
approved legislation Thursday night permitting the Ten Commandments to be
posted in schools and other state and local facilities and moved toward a
showdown over gun control.

The vote was 287-139 for the anti-violence measure, which includes a variety
of get-tough provisions related to juvenile crime as well as the declaration
permitting states to display the Biblical commandments.

Critics said that measure was unconstitutional, but its sponsor, Rep. Robert
Aderholt, R-Ala., countered that it would "promote morality and work toward
an end of children killing children."

Earlier, in a second victory for the entertainment industry in as many days,
the House rejected a proposal to require labeling of violent content in
entertainment products such as video games.

For the second night in a row, lawmakers worked late into the evening
fashioning their response to shootings at a Colorado high school and
elsewhere. Repeatedly, lawmakers in both parties lamented cases of "children
killing children."

Other provisions in the bill would toughen penalties for juvenile offenders,
make it easier to try some juveniles as adults and require federal
prosecutors to devote increased time and money to pursuing gun-related
crimes. The legislation envisions the federal government spending $1.5
billion over the next three years in grants to states to help combat juvenile
crime.

In addition, the measure explicitly permits religious symbols to be included
in the design of a memorial on any public school campus to commemorate anyone
slain there. That provision was offered by Rep. Thomas Tancredo, a Colorado
Republican who represents the area where this spring's shootings occurred.

Passage led immediately to debate of a companion bill on gun control, the
focus of a pitched political battle between the forces of the White House and
gun control on one side and the National Rifle Association on the other.

"We lost more kids yesterday because of school violence than we lost in
Kosovo and Bosnia put together the last three years," said Democratic Leader
Dick Gephardt of Missouri, citing statistics that show 13 children die each
day because of youth violence. Earlier, Gephardt paid grudging respect to the
work of the NRA.

"I'm in admiration of what they're able to do," he said at a news conference,
referring to an organization that has poured an estimated $14 million into
political campaigns in the past decade.

"You've got members (of Congress) who are looking at a big independent
expenditure that can be run against them, at votes that can be implemented
against them" if they defy the organization's wishes, he added.

For its part, the NRA issued a letter to members of the House detailing its
position on a variety of proposed amendments. It said it "very strongly
supports" a provision advanced by Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich., which it said
"does not include any gun control provisions."

Dingell's proposal would curtail existing requirements for sales at gun
shows, partly by redefining a gun show, and partly by giving the government
only 24 hours to complete a background check, rather than the current three
business days.

An alternative, backed by the White House, would retain the provisions
approved by the Senate last month. They would require mandatory background
checks for all purchases at gun shows, closing what supporters said was a
loophole left in the 1993 Brady Bill.

In addition, votes were expected on proposals to require that a safety device
be sold with all handguns, to raise the minimum age for purchase of a handgun
from 18 to 21 and to ban the importation of high capacity ammunition clips.

Lawmakers and aides in both parties agreed the outcome was virtually
impossible to predict, and that in the end, it was possible that nothing
would command a majority on final passage.

As an indication of the uncertainty, Dingell told reporters that even if his
NRA-backed gun show proposal passed, he would probably oppose final passage
of the measure if it contained any other gun control provision.

Even if those additional provisions fail in the House, he said "I might" vote
against his own bill on final passage.

The vote on the Ten Commandments was largely along party lines, with 203
Republicans and 45 Democrats in favor and 164 Democrats, one independent and
15 Republicans against.

Aderholt said the commandments "represent the very cornerstone of Western
civilization and the basis of our legal system here in America."

But Rep. Robert Scott, D-Va., countered that the proposal sought "to elevate
one particular religion over all others," an effort that he said was
"blatantly unconstitutional."

The Supreme Court struck down a Kentucky state law that required posting the
Ten Commandments in every public school classroom, ruling

Re: [CTRL] Milocevic, take a bow.

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

- Original Message -
From: nessie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> >Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Kosova.  Yugoslav/Serb troops
> >and paramilitaries attack, and eventually lose.  Slobby controls those
> >troops, ergo, Slobby started and lost the wars.
>
> Virginia, Georgia, North and South Carolina, Alabama.   Union/Yankee
> troops and paramilitaries attack, and eventually win. Lincoln controls
> those troops, ergo, Lincoln started and won the war.

Who's Milocevic working for?  Who pays him to lose?
Who was Lincoln working for?  Who paid him to win?

Nobody here faces the point:  Milocevic has presided over the
dismemberment of Yugoslavia, the emasculation of Serbia, and
he's done so with great effort.  Why?  Who benefits?

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] SNOW JOB: THE CIA, COCAINE, AND BILL CLINTON Part 2: The Money Trail

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

How the CIA laundered millions in drug profits from Mena and paid for
Clinton's 1992 election campaign.

http://www.esotericworldnews.com/snowjob1.htm

Bard

Visit me at:
The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government
http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm

Federal Government defined:
a benefit/subsidy protection racket!

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] Thank goodness for the Line-Item Veto!

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

William Shannon wrote:
 House approves school display of Ten Commandments
 By DAVID ESPO
 WASHINGTON (AP) -- Searching for a way to curb youth violence,
 the House approved legislation Thursday night permitting the
 Ten Commandments to be posted in schools and other state and
 local facilities and moved toward a showdown over gun control.



The line-item veto is unconstitutional.
Why would you imply ITS use anyhow?  This entire exercise is
UNCONSTITUTIONAL, but then few truly give a shit about the
Constitution and its plainly written limitations.

Regard$,
--MJ

An unconstitutional act is not a law; it confers no rights; it
imposes no duties; it affords no protection; it creates no
office; it is, in legal contemplation, as inoperative as though
it had never been passed. -- Norton v. Shelby, 118 US 425, 442 (1886).

Congress cannot, under pretext of executing delegated power, pass
laws for the accomplishment of objects not entrusted to the Federal
Government. -- Linder v. US, 268 US 5, 17 (1925).

No doctrine can be sound that releases a legislature from the
control of a constitution. ...although always liable to be
altered by the people who formed it, [it] is not alterable
by any other authority; certainly not by those chosen by the
people to carry it into effect. This is so vital a principle,
and has been so justly the pride of our popular government,
that a denial of it cannot possibly last long or spread far.
-- James Madison (1825)

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] Fw: AANEWS for Thursday, June 17, 1999

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

- Original Message -
From: CobolMage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>HOUSE APPROVES TEN COMMANDMENTS DISPLAY IN STATES
<...>
> Legislators divided sharply over Aderholt's proposal.  Ten
> Commandments supporter Rep.  Bob Barr (R-GA) said recently that had
> the Decalogue been displayed at Columbine High School, the shootings
> there in April would not have occurred.

Is Barr a total moron?  If the Constitution is posted in schools,
does that prevent treason?  Does the decalogue prevent sin?  If
politicians can lie and steal and adulterize and bring death down
on humanity, why can't schoolkids?  Should Barr ad Hyde, those
adulterous hypocrites, be stoned to death by angry mobs?

> Democrats like Rep. Jerrold Nadler of New York, though, warned that
> the proposal excluded millions of Americans, and asked, "Whose Ten
> Commandments?  The Christian version, the Protestant version or the
> Jewish version?  They're different, you know."

Don't the Adventists and Discordians have their own versions too?
Do Orthodox and Catholic versions differ?  What about the Klingon
version?  Will schools get to choose which versions to post?  Will
factional fights erupt over decalogue versions?  Is this an excuse
for holy wars in public schools?  Will the death count rise?

"Prevent violence - SUBMIT!!"

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] Milocevic, take a bow.

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

>Milocevic has presided over the dismemberment of Yugoslavia, the
emasculation of Serbia, and
he's done so with great effort.


Milosevic has resisted the dismemberment of Yugolavia and the emasculation
of Serbia. He's done so with great ineptness.


>Why?

He's no Tito. On the other hand, he could be as ept as Geronimo and still
be at a serious disadvantage, so maybe it doesn't matter.

As to whether he was on the take this whole time and is really just a
hired boogyman a la Saddam or Khadaffi, who knows? Could be. Things like
that do happen. NATO does need a boogyman of his description just to
justify its existance. On the other hand, why pay when he'll work for free
and there's a dozen guys waiting to take his place.

The important thing to remember, though, is that he's no more a dictator
than is Clinton or Blair. Yugoslavia, like the US and UK, is ruled by an
oligarchy not an individual.


>Who benefits?

The Western military-industrial complex (particularly the producers of
"smart" weapons), the IMF, the WB, various wholesalers of heroin, the
police who work for them, and whoever ends up hiring the now impoverished
Yugoslavs at Indonesian level wages.

Oh yeah, and the Russian general who took the Pristina air base without a
shot and only two hundred guys. He's winner, that one. His star is on the
rise. What a move! Trust the Russians to pass a pawn just as end game
begins. These guys are formidable players, always thinking ahead.

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] Fw: SNET: [piml] Not My War

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

- Original Message -
From: Ed Wolfe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 1999 8:14 PM
Subject: SNET: [piml] Not My War


>
> ->  SNETNEWS  Mailing List
>
> "The contrast between truth and propaganda was so dramatic that we all
> received an education in how war disinformation works."
>
>  THURSDAY JUNE 17 1999
>
>   Not my war
> by Llewellyn Rockwell
>
>   The aftermath of the war on Yugoslavia is not
>   following the typical pattern. Usually, the
>   commander in chief basks in the glow of
>   victory. Medals are handed out, parades
>   organized, speeches given to the masses.
>   Veterans are heralded as preservers of
>   freedom. The national soul swells in patriotic
>   fervor. The merchants of death gain a new lease
>   on life.
>
>   Not this time. This is no victory glow, no
>   parades, no flag waving. Outside the
>   mainstream media, there is a curious lack of
>   any bragging at all. There are no yellow
>   ribbons adorning trees. Indeed, veterans of this
>   war are more pitied than praised. Veterans of
>   past wars are rushing to repudiate the whole
>   mess.
>
>   As regards the "national soul," it is pretty much
>   what it was before and during the war:
>   skeptical of any pronouncement from D.C.
>   Meanwhile, Congress has moved on to the
>   usual civic pieties: promising to reform a
>   smattering of failed programs, dreaming up
>   new ways to regulate our lives, and celebrating
>   Rosa Parks. Even Clinton seems to be backing
>   away from the topic of the war.
>
>   What gives?
>
>   This war never enjoyed wide or deep public
>   support, and for good reason. It was an attack
>   on a far-away sovereign country that never did
>   anything to any American. No interests of this
>   country were threatened, or even affected, by
>   the 600-year-long struggle between Christians
>   and Muslims over Kosovo. The U.S. bombing
>   was simply an aggression of the sort the
>   Russians used to accuse us of.
>
>   Even now, it is difficult to know the real reason
>   for intervention, since no one believes that the
>   Clinton administration cares about
>   human-rights violations. You can't take
>   anti-brutality sermons seriously when the
>   preacher is simultaneously bombing hospitals,
>   schools, and water systems, and killing
>   innocents as a war tactic. Far from giving rise to
>   nationalist pride, U.S. behavior forms a pit in
>   your stomach.
>
>   Clinton tried to draw on antique war myths
>   and accuse his opponents of appeasement in
>   the face of evil. But it didn't fly. His poll ratings
>   actually declined during the war, an
>   astounding fact in light of the tendency of war
>   to unite a country behind the ruling regime.
>   And these numbers are from phone polls that
>   dramatically under-assess the level of
>   dissatisfaction with existing government
>   policy. The war was supported with intensity
>   by very few, mostly those who had something
>   to gain from it.
>
>   Even according to NATO's own stated aims,
>   the war was not a success. The final treaty steps
>   away from the absurd demands made in the
>   Rambouilett talks. And from a humane point of
>   view, the war was catastrophic, with thousands
>   dead and an entire society in ruins. The lack of
>   public celebration of victory reflects a
>   widespread acknowledgment of this.
>
>   The truth about this war was not being spread
>   by mainstream organs of opinion, of course.
>   But thanks to the Internet, this was the first war
>   in which a sizeable number of Americans had
>   access to alternative media. News from
>   anti-war sites was just as accessible as that
>   from pro-war sites (again, the mainstream
>   media). So there was no need to rely on the
> 

[CTRL] Opel

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

R >>


>
>
> World Socialist Web Site www.wsws.org
>
> --
> --
>
>
> WSWS : News & Analysis : Europe : Germany
>
> German trade unions vote for job cuts
>
> New Opel (GM) plant in Rüsselsheim means 4,000 fewer jobs
>
> By Helmut Arens
> 18 June 1999
>
> Back to screen version
>
> In a press statement on May 26, Robert Hendry, the head of the board
> of directors for General Motors Germany, announced that the new Opel
> plant to be located in Rüsselsheim, Germany, would cost 820 million DM
> and employ 4,000 fewer workers and white-collar employees than the
> existing plant.
>
> This year parent company General Motors plans to start construction of
> one of the world's most modern auto plants on the present Rüsselsheim
> site with its century-long Opel tradition. Production will be based on
> the latest model of "streamlined production”, flexible, multi-skilled
> staff, constant quality control and "just in time” production methods
> in existence, up to now, only in the east German Eisenach factory. The
> old Rüsselsheim plant, which 20 years ago employed 43,000 workers, is
> no longer viable and will be totally demolished.
>
> The new fabrication line will be erected in close proximity to the old
> site; the installation for the body works and the finishing assembly
> line are to be finished by 2002, the new paint works some time later.
>
> Wolfgang Strinz from the Opel board of directors told the Frankfurter
> Rundschau that per vehicle production costs in the old factory at
> Rüsselsheim were 35 percent higher than in Eisenach. The "Eisenach
> model” was developed when General Motors took over the Wartburg works
> following the collapse of East Germany, closed it down, and set up the
> world's most modern manufacturing vehicle plant employing fewer than
> one-third of the 10,000 original Wartburg work force.
>
> Workers in the new Opel plant will face completely transformed
> conditions. Although group work has already been implemented, the
> management also wants to retain three-shift operations. Where
> previously two separate assembly lines were in place for the Vectra
> and Omega auto models, future operations will be constructed on a
> single line in which a 40 percent productivity increase is to be
> reached producing the same annual total of 275,000 vehicles. The
> 10,500 workers at present employed in the fabrication plant will be
> cut to 6,500, and more and more pressure will be placed upon them.
>
> Rudolf Müller, works council president, spoke positively about the
> decision, telling the press it had long been awaited. The
> representatives of the work force had been demanding a complete
> overhaul of production methods. To be sure, he "regretted” that 4,000
> fewer workers would be employed in 2002, but the new plant was the
> only correct option and the old works had no future. He maintained
> that job cuts would not entail direct redundancies, but would be
> carried through by the more socially acceptable methods of not
> replacing workers who retired or encouraging older workers to leave
> through early retirement. But even if this is the case, it means that
> ever-fewer workers will be producing under increasingly stressful
> conditions, while a growing army of unemployed is put on the street.
>
> In a recent agreement on maintaining the site, management and the
> works council expanded the early retirement scheme and pension rules
> for employees of the original Opel plant. Fifty-eight-year-old workers
> can volunteer for the pension and 57-year-old workers as well as
> 60-year-old white collar employees are eligible for a part-time
> pension.
>
> Opel trade union works council members and representatives of IG
> Metall (the metal workers union) took part in an international works
> council convention in Detroit on the last weekend in May. Opel was
> represented by Müller, his deputy Klaus Franz and
> IG-Metall-functionary Thomas Klebe. (All three are members of the
> board of directors.) At present General Motors has plans to set up
> rationalised production methods in Canada and in the US, where
> downsizing will occur.
>
> The German works council members concluded that General Motors should
> be urged to develop a method to secure jobs over a longer period of
> time. They argued that with the help of modern technical innovation,
> quality work and a highly motivated staff it must be possible to win
> back a greater share of the world market. To effect this it was
> necessary to tie the interests of the firm to national commercial
> considerations. Müller said an all-round strategy was not only in the
> interests of defending jobs but also of capital because, in an
> international game of global players, only those who took into account
> the peculiarities of the national market could survive.
>
> For this reason the Rüsselsheim works committee had supported the
> appointment of Robert Hendry t

[CTRL] (Fwd) [FAIR-L] ACTION ALERT: THE NEW YORK TIMES' YAWNING GAP

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

--- Forwarded Message Follows ---
Date sent:  Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:10:22 -0400
Send reply to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From:   FAIR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject:[FAIR-L] ACTION ALERT: THE NEW YORK TIMES' YAWNING GAP
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 FAIR-L
Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting
   Media analysis, critiques and news reports




ACTION ALERT: THE NEW YORK TIMES' YAWNING GAP:
 Between Glowing Portrait of Western Idealism and Reality of U.S.
 Policy

 June 17, 1999

 In the June 13 New York Times "Week in Review," Michael Wines
 cautioned that despite America's "victory over Communism and
 inhumanity" in Kosovo, all is not well in the world. Americans often
 perceive their morals as universal, Wines says, but in fact there is "a
 yawning gap between the West and much of the world on the value of a
 single human life."

 According to Wines, the war in Yugoslavia "only underscored the deep
 ideological divide between an idealistic New World bent on ending
 inhumanity and an Old World equally fatalistic about unending conflict."

 Amongst the "anti-West club" of Syria, Libya, Iraq, China and India,
 Russians stand out "by temperament, history and current attitudes" as a
 particularly amoral people, says Wines. As evidence of this, Wines cites
 the anti-Jewish pogroms of the early 1900s, the Soviet policy of ethnic
 gerrymandering and forced migration, and the large-scale ethnic conflicts
 that spread through the Soviet Union as it collapsed.

 Yet Wines ignores examples from U.S. history that would have
 questioned the U.S.'s commitment to "ending brutality" and the actual
 "value of a single human life" for U.S. policymakers.

 Earlier this year, the New York Times ran several stories and
 editorials on the release of a report by the Guatemalan Historical
 Clarification Commission, a report that, in the words of a front-page
 Times story (2/26/99):

 "concluded that the United States gave money and training to a
 Guatemalan military that committed 'acts of genocide' against the
 Mayans during the most brutal armed conflict in Central America,
 Guatemala's 36-year civil war The panel also found evidence that the
 United States had knowledge of genocide and still supported the
 Guatemalan military."

 There is ample evidence to suggest that the U.S. is selective in its
 objection to governments that orchestrate violence against internal
 minorities. In 1992, at the height of Turkey's repression of its Kurdish
 minority, a State Department spokesperson summarized U.S. policy
 (National Journal, 4/15/95):

 "There is no question of halting U.S. military assistance to Turkey. The
 U.S. sees nothing objectionable in a friendly or allied country using
 American weapons to secure internal order or to repel an attack against
 its territorial unity."

 Wines could have calculated the value the U.S. places on "a single
 human life" by examining the U.S.'s policy of imposing sanctions on
 Iraq. While malnutrition was almost unknown in Iraq before the Gulf
 War, "from 1991 to 1998, children under 5 were dying from
 malnutrition-related diseases in numbers ranging from a conservative
 2,690 per month to a more realistic 5,357 per month," according to U.N.
 figures (Seattle Post Intelligencer, 5/11/99). When 60 Minutes (5/12/96)
 asked Secretary of State Madeline Albright whether sanctions that left
 half a million Iraqi children dead were "worth it," Albright replied, "I
 think this is a very hard choice. But the price--we think the price is
 worth it."

 A graphic demonstration of the Western attitude toward human life came in
 the closing days of the war in Yugoslavia--after Belgrade had already
 agreed to withdraw its forces from Kosovo, and all that remained to be
 worked out were the technical details of an international
 occupation--when the U.S. carpet-bombed two battalions of Yugoslavian
 soldiers gathered in an open field near the Albanian border, who were
 skirmishing with KLA fighters. News reports indicated that the number of
 soldiers killed as a result in this meaningless battle was in the
 hundreds (AP, 6/9/99).

 ( You can read the Week in Review article in its entirety at:
  http://www.nytimes.com/library/review/061399rights-review.html )


ACTION: Please write to the New York Times and let it know that its
readers deserve better than simplistic, self-congratulatory analysis.
Encourage the Times to provide more thorough and accurate analysis of the
U.S.'s role in ethnic conflicts around the world. 

 New York Times
 229 W. 43rd St., New York, NY 10036
 Phone: 212-556-1748
 Fax: 212-556-3738
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Additional contacts:

--Michael Wines
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

--Jonathan Landman
 Editor, Week in Review
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]



   --


Feel free to respond to FAIR ( [EMA

[CTRL] Only Just Begun ?

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

>From wsws.org


>
>
> World Socialist Web Site www.wsws.org
>
> --
> --
>
>
> WSWS : News & Analysis : Europe : The Balkan Crisis
>
> Kosovan "mass graves" agitation: US media seeks to justify NATO war
>
> By the Editorial Board
> 18 June 1999
>
> Back to screen version
>
> As NATO forces extend their reach throughout Kosovo, the American and
> British media are seeking to bludgeon public opinion and justify the
> war against Yugoslavia after the fact. At the center of this
> propaganda effort is a series of reports on alleged mass grave sites
> found by NATO soldiers and Kosovo Liberation Army guerrillas.
>
> The two most important American daily newspapers, the New York Times
> and the Washington Post, each published lengthy and lurid reports
> Wednesday about the extent of the carnage wrought in Kosovo during the
> ten weeks between the onset of the NATO bombing and the Yugoslav
> capitulation. Similar reports appeared on the American television
> networks.
>
> In addition to reinforcing the Clinton administration's claims that
> American warplanes dropped tens of thousands of tons of bombs on
> Yugoslavia for "humanitarian" reasons, the press campaign over alleged
> Serb atrocities provides a pretext to justify the expulsion of the
> 200,000 Kosovan Serbs from the province. This process has already
> begun, with tens of thousands of Serb civilians fleeing as KLA forces
> take over towns in the south and east of Kosovo.
>
> There has been little coverage of the flight of the Serbs, which will
> escalate as NATO and KLA forces enter the more heavily Serb-populated
> areas in northeastern Kosovo and along the northern border with
> Montenegro and Serbia proper.
>
> Equally significant is the abandonment of any media reporting from
> within Serbia on the casualties of the US-NATO bombing campaign. For
> every heart-rending article about the deaths of Albanian civilians in
> the ethnic civil war in Kosova, an equally moving account could be
> provided of the deaths of Serbian civilians under NATO bombing.
>
> Moreover, the suffering and death in Serbia will continue, as the
> long-term impact of the destruction of electricity, water supplies,
> roads, bridges, hospitals and the basic infrastructure of modern life
> is felt. It is all but impossible to estimate the ultimate effect of
> environmental contamination caused by the destruction of oil
> refineries and storage depots and the radiation released by US
> missiles containing depleted uranium.
>
> The current US-NATO propaganda campaign makes no attempt to square
> today's atrocity stories with yesterday's. A case in point is
> Thursday's release by the British foreign office of an estimate that
> 10,000 Albanian Kosovars had been killed in 130 separate massacres, a
> figure that was given enormous international publicity.
>
> David Gowan, a British government spokesman on the investigation into
> war crimes charges in Kosovo, said, "It's very difficult to give an
> overall number but what's clear is that the picture is far worse than
> we thought." This comment is inexplicable except as an attempt to
> extract the maximum propaganda value from the pictures now coming out
> of Kosovo. The British estimate actually represents a lowering, by at
> least a factor of ten, of the most farfetched claims made during the
> war, when US and NATO officials declared that between 100,000 and
> 225,000 Albanian men were missing and potentially murdered.
>
> Nor is there any reason to believe that the figure of 10,000 is
> accurate. The press accounts of the British claim conceal the fact
> that Whitehall prepared this estimate several weeks ago, based on
> "military and media reports as well as interviews with refugees in
> Albania and Macedonia." In other words, the figure of 10,000 is not
> based on any tabulation of graves or bodies actually found in Kosovo,
> although media reports give that impression.
>
> Official US statements on the alleged death toll in Kosovo are equally
> suspect. Pentagon spokesman Mike Doubleday said NATO soldiers had
> "come upon or heard about 90 suspected mass grave sites since entering
> Kosovo on Saturday." There are a sufficient number of qualifiers in
> that sentence to send up many warning flags. What initially appears to
> be significant evidence of several thousand deaths turns out to be
> more rumor and speculation than fact: these are "suspected" sites,
> some only "heard about," which troops have "come upon"—i.e., not
> investigated.
>
> What becomes a "suspected" mass grave site, more often than not, is a
> claim or suspicion voiced by someone from the KLA—officer, soldier,
> interpreter—to a NATO military commander, who in turn communicates it
> to an American or British reporter. No one in this chain is an
> objective observer. All have a vested interest in depicting the
> conditions in Kosovo in as dark and incriminating a fashion as

[CTRL] After Math

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

>From www.iwpr.net

> Seselj At The Gates
>
> Having resigned from the Serbian government and disassociated himself
> from the peace agreement, Vojislav Seselj is now poised to bid for
> power.
>
> By a journalist in Novi Sad
> (Published on July 16, 1999)
>
> The resignation of Serbia's deputy Prime Minister Vojislav Seselj and
> the withdrawal of his ultra-nationalist Serbian Radical Party (SRS)
> from the government is subject of much speculation among what remains
> of Yugoslavia's chattering classes.
>
> Is this, political analysts wonder, a step towards the oft-predicted
> civil war in Serbia? Or is it yet another cynical ploy by Yugoslav
> President Slobodan Milosevic to retain power by presenting himself as
> the moderate alternative to Seselj?
>
> The SRS--which has the second largest political presence in the
> Serbian parliament with 75 deputies and held 15 out of 35 ministerial
> posts in government--pulled out of the ruling coalition because it
> could not accept the terms of the peace agreement ending the war in
> Kosovo.
>
> In explaining his resignation, Seselj claimed the peace accord was a
> total capitulation to NATO's demands and while he did not mention
> Milosevic by name, he made it clear that he held the President
> personally responsible.
>
> In an interview for the biggest-selling Belgrade daily Glas Javnosti,
> Seselj forecast a stormy period ahead for Serbia, saying that after
> Kosovo there will come similar temptations in Montenegro, Sandzak and
> Vojvodina. And he warned darkly that the greatest risk to Serbia would
> now come from "traitors" who would be working against the interests of
> the country with American encouragement. Seselj also predicted
> instances of food rationing and social unrest.
>
> In contrast, Milosevic has been travelling the length and breadth of
> Serbia, extolling the virtues of the peace agreement, promising
> economic rebirth and seemingly presenting himself as the one man who
> can keep Seselj's extremism at bay.
>
> A number of analysts see the apparent conflict between the two men as
> nothing more than a co-ordinated ploy designed to bolster Milosevic's
> position. However, although Seselj has in the past served Milosevic in
> this way, others believe that the radical is now positioning himself
> ready for the day when Milosevic can no longer control Serbian
> society.
>
> In the working class suburbs of the largest Serbian cities, the
> electoral bedrock of the ruling parties, the population is already on
> the verge of hunger. Moreover, the prospects are worse since,
> according to official statistics, some 500,000 workers lost their jobs
> during the war. An estimated 50 per cent of the population are now out
> of work.
>
> In these circumstances, it is difficult to see how the employment and
> reconstruction programme drawn up by the Serbian parliament can have
> much impact. If, therefore, Milosevic's promises prove hollow and
> conditions deteriorate as predicted, Seselj may well make a bid for
> power. In such a case, the threat of civil war becomes real.
>
> Some people here are already comparing the situation in Serbia today
> to the Weimar years in Germany at the end of the First World War. Like
> Germany, Serbia has been defeated militarily and humiliated, its
> economy is in tatters and it faces massive social dislocation.
>
> At the same time, like Germans in the aftermath of the First World
> War, Serbs have not understood the real causes of their defeat and are
> convinced that they have suffered an injustice which they did not
> deserve.
>
> In the absence of any objective reporting, Seselj stands to be the
> ultimate beneficiary of the frustration felt by ordinary Serbs.
> Indeed, the greater Serbia's social and political disintegration, the
> better his chances of gaining power.
>
> In this respect, his appeal does indeed resemble that of Hitler who
> managed to win over Germany's defeated and humiliated population with
> his demagogic populism. Moreover, like Hitler, Seselj could achieve
> his goals via the democratic process.
>
> In Serbia's last presidential elections in 1996, Seselj was narrowly
> defeated by Milosevic's candidate Milan Milutinovic in a poll which
> observers believe was marred by widespread fraud in the latter's
> favour. Moreover, since then, Seselj's popularity has risen among the
> electorate and he has acquired key allies in the upper echelons of the
> police and army.
>
> The author is an independent journalist from Novi Sad whose identity
> has been concealed.
>
>
>
> 
>
> © Institute of War & Peace Reporting


A<>E<>R
~~~
The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking
new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
A merely fallen enemy may rise again, but the reconciled
one is truly vanquished. -Johann Christoph Schiller,
   German Writer (1759-1805)
+ + + + 

[CTRL] (Fwd) ZNet Commentary, June 18 Mokhiber and Weissman

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

--- Forwarded Message Follows ---
From:   "Michael Albert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject:ZNet Commentary, June 18 Mokhiber and Weissman
Date sent:  Thu, 17 Jun 1999 23:23:37 +0100

Here is today's ZNet Commentary Delivery from Mokhiber and Weissman.
The
attached file is the same material in nicely formatted html so that
you
can read it in your browser if you wish.

To pass this comment along to friends, relatives, etc. please note
that
the Commentaries are a premium sent to monthly donors to Z/ZNet and
that
to learn more about the project folks can consult ZNet
(http://www.zmag.org) and specifically the Commentary Page
(http://www.zmag.org/Commentaries/donorform.htm).

Here then is today's ZNet Commentary...


--


ZNet Commentary, June 18, 1999
Laurence Summers, The World Bank and Us.

Russell Mokhiber and Robert Weissman

"Just between you and me, shouldn't the World Bank be encouraging
more
migration of the dirty industries to the LDCs [least developed
countries]?"

So wrote Treasury Secretary-designee Lawrence Summers, then the chief
economist at the World Bank, in a 1991 World Bank internal memorandum
arguing for the transfer of waste and dirty industries from
industrialized
to developing countries.

There's more: "I think the economic logic behind dumping a load of
toxic
waste in the lowest wage country is impeccable and we should face up to
that. ... I've always thought that underpopulated countries in Africa are
vastly underpolluted; their air quality is vastly inefficiently low
compared to Los Angeles or Mexico City."

After the memo was leaked, Summers apologized, saying it was intended to
be ironic and that it was offered as a thought experiment. Later reports
suggest that someone else actually wrote the memo, although Summers' name
appeared on it.

But here is the question that remains unanswered, and that should be atop
the list of questions posed by the senators who have to confirm Summers'
appointment to replace outgoing Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin: "Ironic
or not, from your point of view, what was wrong with the logic of the
memo?"

The notion that poor countries should import pollution and waste is just
an unsavory application of the economic theory of the U.S. Treasury
Department, shared also by the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and, to a
lesser extent, the World Bank. In this worldview, poor countries should
exploit their "comparative advantage" of low wages, or access to natural
resources, or lower environmental standards.

While few countries have "developed" with this approach, it has proved
very effective for companies like Nike, which has taken advantage of low
wages throughout Asia, or even GM, which produces cars and trucks in
Mexico with the same technology as in Michigan but with lower-wage
workers. Makers of polluting technologies such as incinerators that are
being phased out in industrialized countries have also benefited, because
they are able to stay in business by selling to Third World countries.
U.S. manufacturers that wanted to escape environmental regulations (like
furniture makers who use toxic glues, solvents and paints) have
capitalized by shifting from places like Los Angeles to Mexico. For a
time, per Summers' suggestion, there was a thriving international trade in
toxic waste, but that has largely been eradicated, thanks to environmental
activists who helped get enacted a global treaty to ban hazardous waste
exports from rich to poor countries (the United States has not signed).

At the heart of the Treasury-IMF-Bank approach is the idea that developing
countries should concentrate their effort on exports, rather than
production for local needs. A related core idea is that countries should
allow foreign capital to move into and out of the country without
restraint. Those two policy prescriptions contributed in significant
measure to the Asian economic crisis, which was precipitated by a sudden
withdrawal of foreign capital from Asian markets, itself a result in part
of over-investment in production for export.

The solution of Summers, Rubin and Federal Reserve Chair Alan Greenspan
(anointed the "Committee to Save the World" by Time Magazine) was for
Asian countries to do more of the same (while making some internal
financial reforms and shutting down or selling off bankrupt enterprises).
Again, multinational corporations and foreign investors are doing well.
U.S. firms like Fairchild Semiconductors, Hartford Life and GE Capital,
for example, have made unprecedented purchases of Korean assets.

The overall result of the Committee's global financial crisis management,
according to most news accounts including the many beatifying Rubin
following his retirement announcement, has been a steadying of the
economic crisis. In fact, while stock prices are now rising in the Asian
countries, so is unemployment and 

[CTRL] Lying

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

from www.philosophynews.com/philosopheye


> June 15, 1999
>
> Is it ever right to lie? The philosophy of deception
>
> by ROBERT C. SOLOMON
>
>
>
> RELATED LINKS
> * Love : Emotion, Myth, and Metaphor, by Robert C. Solomon
> * Morality and the Good Life, by Robert C. Solomon, et al
>
>
>
> Is it ever right to lie? Is a lie told to embellish an otherwise
> tedious narrative just as wrong as a lie told to cover up a misdeed
> and avoid punishment? Is a lie told in desperation any less wrong than
> a calculated, merely convenient lie? Is a lie told out of
> self-deception more or less wrong than a clear-headed, tactical lie?
> (Is the former even a lie?) Are all lies wrong? Or does deception
> serve such important functions as protecting us from harm, especially
> emotional harm?
>
> Let's start with the basics: Is it ever right to lie? Common sense
> surely says "Yes, sometimes." But legions of philosophers and other
> moralists have answered "No," and then tried to make sense of this
> indefensible position. Insisting that lying is always wrong -- as
> Thomas Aquinas and Immanuel Kant did, for example -- appeals to our
> desire for absolutes. But then, of course, what about the example from
> freshman philosophy: The Nazis come to your door asking if your are
> hiding a Jewish family. Your are. Should you say "No"? Or, on a
> mundane level, your spouse or lover walks in with an utterly silly new
> hairdo and asks, "Do you like it?" Does morality dictate that you ruin
> the evening? Or can you, in both cases, finesse the answer, not lying
> but not telling the truth, either, perhaps by avoiding an answer to
> the question?
>
> If a person would lie about one thing, does it follow that he or she
> would lie about another? That depends. The demand for honesty is
> contextual. It depends on what the truth concerns. The Bible tells us
> not to bear false witness against our neighbor. Perjury, we can agree,
> is wrong: The consequences can be awful. In a trial, a jury's
> assumption that a person who lies about one thing will lie about
> another is perfectly justified.
>
> But it seems to me absolutely crucial to distinguish here between
> public and private life. Perjury, by it very nature, is public, as is
> politics. Sex, with a few obvious exceptions, is part of our private
> life. And just about everyone is less than forthright about sex. Lying
> about sex, while it may have grave significance for people in an
> intimate relationship, has nothing to do with one's public
> credibility. Indeed, when publicly asked a rudely inappropriate
> question about one's private (adult, consensual) sex life, it seems to
> me not only natural but even obligatory to lie, finesse, or refuse to
> answer.
>
> Friedrich Nietzsche once asked, "Why must we have truth at any cost,
> anyway?" It was an odd question, coming from the philosopher who
> prided himself, above all, on his brutal honesty, and it is an obscene
> question, in any case, for a profession that sees itself as seeking
> solely the truth. Even philosophers who challenge the very idea of
> truth -- not just Nietzsche and the Buddhist Nagarjuna, but also
> Jacques Derrida and Richard Rorty -- are unforgiving when it comes to
> deception, misrepresentation, and "creative misreadings," at least of
> their own work. Philosophers in general insist on the truth even if
> they do not believe in "the Truth." They despise deception and
> ridicule self-deception.
>
> The Australian philosopher Tony Coady probably speaks for most
> philosophers when he writes, "Dishonesty has always been perceived in
> our culture, and in all cultures but the most bizarre, as a central
> human vice." But, he adds, "we should note that this perception is
> consistent with a certain hesitancy about what constitutes a lie and
> with the more than sneaking suspicion that there might be a number of
> contexts in which lying is actually justified." Plato defended "the
> noble lie," and the English ethicist Henry Sidgwick suggested that a
> "high-minded lie" in the direction of humility might do us all a great
> deal of good.
>
> Not all untruths are malicious. Telling the truth can complicate or
> destroy social relationships. It can undermine precious collective
> myths. Honesty can be cruel. Sometimes, deception is not a vice but a
> social virtue, and systematic deception is an essential part of the
> order of the (social) world. In many countries -- Japan and Western
> Samoa, for example -- social harmony is valued far more than
> truthfulness as such. To tell another person what he or she wants to
> hear, rather than what one might actually feel or believe, is not only
> permitted but expected.
>
> Could we not begin to see our own enlightened emphasis on "seeking the
> truth at all costs" (as Ernst Jones wrote admiringly of Sigmund Freud)
> as one more ethnocentric peculiarity, another curious product of our
> strong sense of individualism, and a dangerously unsociable
> 

[CTRL] Did NATO ever produce that Pilot? RE: [CTRL] Warp Speed

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

Speaking about disinformation, am I mistaken, or has NATO and the US still
failed to produce the pilot who was "rescued" from that plane that was shot
down in the first days of the NATO offensive against Serbia? If they have
not, does it not suggest that the pilot was killed and that NATO and
traitors Cohen, Clinton, et al just lied to keep up the myth of the
casualty-less war? Does anyone know anything about that pilot?

> -Original Message-
> From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> Behalf Of Alamaine Ratliff
> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 8:08 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [CTRL] Warp Speed
>
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> >From AFP via Yahoo!
>
> <>
>
>
> > Media group charges NATO "distorted the truth" in Kosovo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > PARIS, June 15 (AFP) - The media organisation Reporters sans
> > Frontieres (Reporters without Borders, RSF) Tuesday criticized NATO
> > for "distorting the truth," and giving "false information and
> > impossible-to-check figures," about the war in Yugoslavia.
> >
> > In a report called "War in Yugoslavia, NATO's media blunders," the
> > group, which is based in Paris, questioned whether it was a matter of
> > "mistakes" or if the alliance made "deliberate attempts at
> > disinformation."
> >
> > "False information, exorbitant and impossible-to-check figures and the
> > use of debatable historical references have strengthened doubts about
> > the goodwill of certain western political and military leaders," RSF
> > said in a communique.
> >
> > In one example, the group cites NATO confirmation concerning the death
> > of ethnic Albanian leader Fehmi Agani along with five others.
> >
> > British General David Wilby had said at NATO headquarters in Brussels
> > the report came from a "very reliable source" in Kosovo, which his
> > department had checked carefully.
> >
> > "Wilby's source turned out to be the London-based Kosovo Information
> > Centre, which is run by Kosovar exiles," the report said, adding that
> > "one of them, Hafiz Gagica, had said the same day that Ibrahim Rugova
> > had been wounded and his whereabouts were not known."
> >
> > Agani was in fact killed, but some days later, while Rugova
> > subsequently met with Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic, bringing
> > blanket media coverage the Yugoslav leader was able to capitalize on.
> >
> > "Making a rumor official in this way, during the first week of
> > bombing, would appear to be less the result of a mistake than of a
> > deliberate decision; to tip the balance in favor of NATO air strikes
> > on Yugoslavia at a time when public opinion was still very sceptical
> > about their effectiveness," the report said.
> >
> > Another example cited was the April 14 air strike on a convoy which
> > killed 75 people according to Serb sources.
> >
> > After German Defense Minister Rudolf Scharping initially accused Serb
> > planes of the attack, NATO acknowledged the strike, saying "that
> > apparently one of its planes dropped a bomb on a civilian vehicle
> > travelling with a convoy."
> >
> > On April 19, NATO admitted "it had hit two convoys with the help of
> > about a dozen planes that dropped a total of nine bombs," RSF said,
> > adding that the alliance made public a recording of a pilot
> > responsible for hitting the first.
> >
> > He said the vehicles in question were "of a military type," but two
> > days later NATO admitted the recording had no connection with the
> > bombing of the convoys.
> >
> > RSF says "other features of western communication are approximate
> > figures, debatable historic references and the use of vocabulary that
> > has the aim of making the adversary appear monstrous."
> >
> > "The term 'genocide' has been used systematically by British Prime
> > Minister Tony Blair, and in Germany officials have compared the
> > Milosevic government to that of Hitler," the report adds.
> >
> > "These historical references have led to protests from experts," RSF
> > said.
> >
> > "On April 27, NATO officials themselves admitted - although not in so
> > many words - that their communication strategy had failed," it added,
> > while also noting that "the workings of the propaganda machine hold no
> > secrets for the Serbs."
> >
> > "While remaining the defender of a 'just cause' in the eyes of western
> > public opinion, NATO has not shown goodwill in its relations with the
> > media, and has distorted the truth on several occasions," RSF charged.
> >
> > "It is obvious that in time of war, the information provided by one
> > side or the other may be liable to be used as a propaganda tool," it
> > said.
> >
> > "But it could still be hoped that a coalition of democracies, which
> > claims to have right on its side, would behave with more integrity
> > than the dictatorship it is fighting against," the group concluded.
>
>
> A<>E<>R
> ~~~
> The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking
> new landscapes but in havin

Re: [CTRL] False Opposition of Conservative Organizations

[Anonymous]

Sorry 
to reply through this email, but I couldn't get the relevant e-mail from 
"books" to let me reply. There is no question that all big money in 
the conservative movement goes to phony operations like the Heritage Foundation. 
If anyone has any information on who underwrite the basic budgets of these False 
Opposition operations, I would like to know it. I know on informed researcher 
who says that Richard Mellon Scaife is a bagman for much of the money. Does 
anyone have any solid info on this vital subject? Jim Condit 
Jr.

-Original Message-From: Conspiracy Theory Research 
List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of booksSent: 
Monday, June 14, 1999 6:43 PMTo: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [CTRL] GLOBAL CONSPIRACY - THE 
FREEDOM TO MAKE SLAVES


PLEASE SEND THIS MESSAGE TO THE WORLD:GLOBAL CONSPIRACY - THE 
FREEDOM TO MAKE 
SLAVES--ON THE 
SURFACE, EVERYTHING SEEMS PRETTY GOOD RIGHT NOW EASTERN EUROPE, RUSSIA 
AND CHINA ARE FIRMLY UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE IMF/WORLD BANK AND THE 
INTERNATIONAL CORPORATIONS, REBELLIOUS YUGOSLAVIA HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO 
HEEL,  MOST ECONOMIES ARE FUNCTIONING FAIRLY WELL AND SO ON.  BUT 
DARE TO SCRATCH THE SURFACE AND IT DOESN'T TAKE A GENIOUS TO SEE THAT THE 
MASSES OF THE PEOPLE ARE VIRTUAL SLAVES, PAYING THE VAST BULK OF THEIR 
MEAGER WAGES ONE WAY OR ANOTHER TO THEIR RICH AND SUPER-RICH SLAVE MASTERS, 
IF NOT IN TAXES, THEN IN INTEREST AND DEBT CAUSED BY MONEY PRINTING PRIVATE 
BANKERS.  AT THE ROOT OF THE GLOBAL CRISIS IS WHAT KARL MARX CALLED 
"THE PROPERTY QUESTION" BUT NOBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THE ROOT 
CAUSE OF POVERTY AND PROPERTYLESSNESS, AND ANY MENTION OF BIBLE SLAVE LAW, 
OR THE JEWS AND THEIR JUDEO-CHRISTIAN PROSELYTES, OR THE MUSLIMS, IS 
TABOO... OR WORSE.  THERE IS NOTHING RACIAL OR HATEFUL ABOUT SCHOLARLY 
TRUTH.  THERE IS NOTHING RACIST ABOUT NATIONALISM - AT LEAST THERE DOES 
NOT NEED TO BE.  ECONOMIC AND FINANCIAL SLAVERY IS AT THE HEART OF THE 
GLOBAL CRISIS.  KARL MARX CALLED ECONOMIC AND FINANCIAL SLAVERY 
"THE EXPLOITATION OF LABOUR".  THOSE OF YOU INTERESTED IN 
TRUTH AND IN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS REALLY CAUSING THE MESS THE WORLD 
IS IN, AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO STOP THE EVER ONWARD MARCH OF WHAT 
ADOLPH HITLER CALLED "THE SLAVE'S YOKE OF INTERNATIONAL CAPITAL AND ITS 
MASTERS, THE JEWS", READ ON.   UNTIL THE ADVOCATES OF THE 
FREEDOM OF RELIGION  ARE WILLING TO FACE THE TRUTH ABOUT BIBLE SLAVE 
LAW THERE WILL BE NO SOLUTION TO THE GLOBAL CRISIS.AMERICA IS 
BANKRUPT - SO... WHO CARES?AS AMERICA GOES, SO GOES THE WORLD.  
IN ORDER TO CHANGE THE WORLD YOU MUST FIRST CHANGE AMERICA.AMERICA 
IS BANKRUPT.  >From the lowest courts to the Supreme Court, to the 
Federal Reserve interest/debt/tax slavery banking system, America has been 
taken over by the Jews and their Judeo-christian proselytes.  To 
understand how this could happen you must understand Bible Slave 
Law.   It is common knowledge that it was WWII that bailed America 
out of the great depression of the1930's but in order to get a deeper 
understanding of the IMF/World Bank economic and financial necessity of war 
one must understand the religious roots behind the global 
"military/industrial complex" and the IMF/World Bank economic and 
financial dependence upon war for its survival and what is really behind the 
conflict between nationalism and internationalsim.  The American Civil 
War, WWI and WWII, the Korean war, the Viet Nam war, and recent the Balkans 
war were all fundamentally faught for the same economic and financial 
reasons, behind which are deeply rooted religious conflicts.  President 
Eisenhower warned America not to become dependent upon the "the 
military-industrial complex" but how could Zionist America do 
otherwise?  Without constant expansion of the Zionist inspired 
IMF/World Bank interest/debt/tax slavery money system, the 
military-industrial economic system will collapse. There is, however, a 
solution (see The Debt Free and Tax Free Amendment and The Debt Free Money 
System Chart below).  THE FOLLOWING ARTICLE, BY LEE CHENEY, 
APPEARED IN "BRITAIN & OVERSEAS", THE QUARTERLY JOURNAL OF THE 
ECONOMIC RESEARCH COUNCIL, LONDON, ON PAGE 19-21 OF THE SPRING 1999 ISSUE 
(VOL.29, NO.1):    There is an old saying that if 
people are told a lie often enough they will come to believe that lie to be 
true.  The truth is that it is an outright lie to tell people that 
banks do not print money when banks make loans.    Every even 
half educated person in economics and finance understands the accounting 
process of "loan created deposits" (bank printed money in the 
context of M1, M2, M3, C, L, etc.).   Some people try to tell us 
that "the no

Re: [CTRL] Lying

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

The question of whether it is ever right to lie
is TOTALLY and DIRECTLY related to the
(passive and/or active) LIAR(s)'  belief or lack of belief in
'GOD'
 ..and whether or not the 'GOD' the
LIAR claims to 'believe in' is an
ALMIGHTY GOD   or
a
CONTINGENT GOD or GOD OF CONTINGENCY

I see no reason why any Human (and therefore
totally contingent) Being  should NOT lie

unless  the  LIAR claims to 'believe in GOD'

Then,  the next  question is, is the 'GOD'
the liar claims to 'believe in'  CONTINGENT,
and if so, then I guess a  CONTINGENT GOD
has the same right to lie as a/any other
CONTINGENT/HUMAN Being - (Basically
the 'doing a lesser evil to forstall a greater
evil' arguement)

But if the LIAR Claims that the GOD he
claims to 'believe in' is ALMIGHTY...
then no CONTINGENCY/'LESSER EVIL'
Arguement is valid  and

That LIAR Deserves to burn in HELL FOR ALL
ETERNITY and the
 'GOD' he worships also DESERVES TO BURN IN HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY for
the INFINITE/UNFORGIVABLE CRIME of
Creating the Filthy Lying Human Race in
the First Place..

I do not believe in God - either Contingent or
Almighty - but I do believe that every Human Being on Earth who
will/does not openly and
publicly confess that MARK TOWNLEY, son
of DR. CHARLES ORLEFF TOWNLEY OF
PORT HURON< MICHIGAN is the TRUE
ASSASSIN OF DR> MARTIN LUTHER KING!!!
(Acting of course on the orders of Lyndon Johnson/Hoover/McNamara/33rd
Degree
Freemasonry, etc)

deserves to burn in Hell for ALL ETERNITY!!!

Why??? Because I'm SPITEFUL and my
NATTALSNAKE WON'T MAKE LOVE TO ME!!!

DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] : Re: Further Disclosures By NSC's Dr. Michael Wolf

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

>
>>UFOTruth - http://UFOTruth.listbot.com
>>
>>More questions and rantings about the info in this article:
>>
>>
>>>FURTHER DISCLOSURES BY CONSULTANT TO NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL'S
>>>SPECIAL [UFO/ET] STUDIES GROUP, DR. MICHAEL WOLF
>>>by Richard Boylan, Ph.D.
>>>
>>>(c)1999
>>
>>(snip)
>>
>>
>>> The UN maintains an unacknowledged Special Intelligence Branch,
>which
>>>is involved in working with all countries and their intelligence
>>>services around extraterrestrial matters. Dr. Wolf revealed that he
>is
>>>negotiating with an official within the UN's Security Council staff
>to
>>>have the UN release UFO information it possesses in 1999. This
>>>official has advanced degrees, and has been given "incredible
>powers"
>>>during her ET encounters. He says, "The UN people know everything
>>>(about the visiting ETS). And (Apollo astronauts) Edgar Mitchell and
>>>Gordon Cooper have made appeals to the UN to let the truth be
>known."
>>> He added that a "Cabal" is a significant part of the problem. The
>>>Cabal is a rogue group of private industry, intelligence and
>military
>>>officials who have aggressively misused national security secrecy to
>>>achieve illegal monopoly over extraterrestrial technology. The Cabal
>>>is so entrenched, that it is hard for official government to remove
>>>them. Some of the Cabalistas are very high military officers, while
>>>others hold leadership positions as Senators and Congressmen,
>>>predominantly but not exclusively of Republican party membership.
>>>"They want Clinton out of the loop [of detailed UFO/ET
>information],"
>>>Wolf said, because the President has given private indication of
>being
>>>prepared to make public announcement of UFO reality as his departing
>>>message, if he is forced out of office.
>>
>>Rich, when was this interview by Wolf given?  Before of after the
>impeachment?  Is this why the Pres. wasn't removed from office because
>the
>>Coverup didn't want to be exposed?
>>
>Lucia,
>
>The interview occurred during the Lewinski Scandal, but before the
>Final Vote on Impeachment.
>
>>> Dr. Wolf became quite excited as he shared with me signals he has
>>>been receiving recently, that "Something is coming, so big that the
>>>government will have to announce UFO reality."  When I pressed him
>for
>>>a timeline for the big event, he replied, "six months to 1-1/2
>years."
>>
>>Again, when did he say this?  Where are we in this "big event"
>timeline?
>
>
>I would say that we are several (4-5 months) into this rough
>timeline.
>
>>> He added that besides adequate public psychological preparation
>about
>>>ET presence, there is another condition: that any such public
>>>announcement of ET presence "has to be in agreement with the
>>>(extraterrestrial) Council of the (ET) Elders." The Council is the
>>>ruling body of the Federation of benign extraterrestrial races that
>in
>>>contact with Earth, sort of like a galactic UN Security Council. The
>>>Council is in ongoing communication with the governments of Earth
>>>through our UN's designated emissaries.
>>
>>Who?  Which UN designated emissaries?  Who designated them?
>
>
>Tavarisch Lucia,
>You are not cleared for that level of information.
>Neither am I.
>
>>> The extraterrestrial Federation is working collaboratively with
>world
>>>governments to gradually prepare the general population to accept
>the
>>>reality of, and presence of, extraterrestrial races on Earth. The
>>>Federation has wished to avoid any mass panic or major disruption of
>>>society that could have come from a premature announcement. And the
>>>time is now near, if not already arrived, for the world public to
>>accept contact with races from the stars.
>>> The ET Federation has another precondition before they are willing
>to
>>>present themselves openly: Peace on Earth.
>>
>>Pardon me, (I'm still in my raging mood here) but that is just so
>much BS.
>>I don't think that's going to happen in the near forseeable future.
>And I
>>don't think it's going to happen BEFORE they reveal themselves.
>Obviously
>>this interview occurred before NATO started the bombing of Kosovo.  I
>>personally don't think that the war makers are going to give it up
>just
>>because some ETs tell them to.   "Business as usual" has to be
>interrupted
>>by a significant ET presence so that the Shift towards the Light can
>have an opportunity to take place.
>
>The ETs, being exquisitely spiritually advanced, take very
>seriously the matter of moral responsibility -- precisely, that humans
>exercise our moral responsibility and not just let the motherships
>come in and do the right thing for us. Such would be ACOA "enabling",
>capisce?
>
>>> They are unwilling, short
>>>of a global cataclysm, to show themselves publicly, until all major
>>>conflicts on Earth have been peacefully resolved.
>>
>>What, do we need to be on the brink of total destruction before
>they'll come
>>forward and say, "oh, by the way, we've had dealings with