[CTRL] US Warships Dispatched to Korea
-Caveat Lector- U.S. Ship Moves Into Korean Waters By PAUL SHIN .c The Associated Press SEOUL, South Korea (AP) - A U.S. Navy ship sailed into South Korean waters today, two days after a deadly naval clash between the two Koreas in the Yellow Sea. The USS Vincennes left its base in Yokosuka, Japan, on Wednesday and was to be joined Friday by another guided-missile cruiser, the USS Mobile Bay. The two ships, carrying a total of 760 crew members, were dispatched to ``contribute to peace in the region'' and will stay in the area until tensions are reduced, said Lt. Jeff Davis, a U.S. 7th Fleet spokesman. Two U.S. nuclear-powered submarines - the USS Kamehameha and USS Buffalo - also arrived at South Korea's main naval base of Chinhae late Wednesday, but Davis said it was a routine port call not related to the clash. A small number of additional U.S. EA-6B electronic warfare jets were also added to existing air patrols, Defense Department spokesman Capt. Mike Doubleday said in Washington. But tensions appeared to be easing along the disputed Yellow Sea border off the Korean peninsula's western coast, as North Korean ships stayed away for the second straight day. The disputed zone is a rich crab fishing ground claimed by both Koreas as their territorial waters. An armistice that ended the 1950-53 Korean War never outlined the maritime border. Five North Korean fishing boats were spotted operating on their side of the border early today, but the ships were not moving south, South Korea's Defense Ministry said. ``There have been no further provocative North Korean moves,'' ministry spokesman Brig. Gen. Cha Young-koo said. Tension that began to build 10 days ago exploded Tuesday when warships of both Koreas exchanged fire. One North Korean gunboat sank and several others were heavily damaged. About 30 sailors from the North were believed to have died, a U.S. defense official said in Washington, speaking on condition of anonymity. Seven South Korean soldiers were wounded, none seriously, when two of their ships were raked by North Korean fire. Tuesday's confrontation clouded the prospect of a meeting between the two Koreas, set for Monday in Beijing. The meeting would be the first government contact between the two rivals in 14 months. The Beijing meeting was called to discuss aid to the famine-hit communist country and the reunion of millions of separated family members in the divided Korean peninsula. The U.N. Command unilaterally demarcated the sea frontier in 1953 and created a buffer zone to avoid clashes. But since the late 1970s, North Korea has been sending fishing boats and naval ships into the zone 20 to 30 times a year. But when challenged by South Korean patrol boats, they usually withdraw quickly. The peninsula was divided into communist North Korea and capitalist South Korea in 1945. Their border is the world's most heavily armed, with nearly 2 million troops on both sides. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Rome and Mecca
-Caveat Lector- Two Faiths Eyed in 21st Century By CARL HARTMAN .c The Associated Press WASHINGTON (AP) - Christianity and Islam, and what happens between them, will set the shape of the next century more than nations will, says Francis Cardinal George, the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Chicago. Speaking to a Library of Congress conference on ``Frontiers of the Mind in the 21st Century,'' he foresaw a decline in the importance of national governments. ```In the next millennium,'' the cardinal predicted on Wednesday, ``as the modern nation state is relativized and national sovereignty is displaced into societal arrangements still to be invented, it will be increasingly evident that the major faiths are carriers of culture. And he added: ``The conversation between Christianity and Islam is not yet far advanced, but its outcome will determine what the globe will look like a century from now.'' His view of Islam's importance was endorsed by Algerian-born Mohammed Arkoun, a retired professor of the history of Islamic thought at the Sorbonne in Paris. ``Islam is important by its human dimensions,'' he said in an interview. `It covers many societies, from Indonesia and the Philippines to Morocco, from the Caucasus and Tajikistan to South Africa. Islam is everywhere. Islam and Christianity are the only two religions which spread all over the world. Judaism didn't spread. Buddhism spread in Asia... ``That's why it's so essential that a special dialogue, a special exchange exist between these two religions without of course neglecting the other religions. Michael Fishbane, who teaches Jewish studies at the University of Chicago, criticized what he saw as too much emphasis on Catholicism. ``It unfortunately divides up the globe between Islam and Catholicism,'' he said after the session. ``It doesn't take into account Taoism, all forms of Confucianism, all types of Christianity that exist in China and will emerge in the next century.'' Cardinal George denounced what he called the ``divorce of freedom from truth'' in the western democracies. ``In the millions of abortions annually,'' he said, ``the divorce of human reproduction from the embrace of human love, the increased application of the death penalty, the practice of euthanasia, the conviction that handicapped people are better off dead, the seemingly indiscriminate and sometimes disproportionate use of the military, the gun violence in the streets of our cities and the corridors of our schools - in all these we see the fruits of what the Pope has called `the culture of Death'.. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] KLA LAUNCHES REVERSE ETHNIC CLEANSING (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- [ 'Our' media tells us the fleeing Serbs are burning Kosovar Albanian homes -- while covering for the Albanian KLA rebels who are burning the Kosovar Serb's homes to force them to flee... Now, how about all those 'mass graves' -- are they the graves of Kosovar Serb civilians who have been Cleansed by compassionate Clinton's 'NATO allies', the KLA? ] -forwarded message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 Subj: [RuMills] STRATFOR analysis: FRANKENATO's MONSTER From: Jack Perrine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 Subj: Another marvelous STRATFOR analysis: FRANKENATO's MONSTER [ Another marvelous analysis from STRATFOR that gets down to the cold reality of the real world --Jack ] 990616 Frankenato's Monster NATO's decision to exploit the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) during Operation Allied Force to maintain pressure on Serbian forces on the ground is coming back to haunt it. While Albania helped create the KLA, NATO nurtured it, and now that the KLA is running amok, NATO must tame or destroy it. Much to NATO's chagrin, the KLA did not simply accept NATO control over the province, lay down its arms, and join the UN sponsored political process. Rather, seizing the opportunity and the initiative, the KLA has poured into the province ahead of NATO and on the heels of withdrawing Serbs - filling the power vacuum and establishing de facto control. KLA forces have seized control of two border crossing points into Albania, as well as most of the towns and villages of southern Kosovo including nearly all of Prizren. The KLA has presented its own "interim government," and has as yet refused to disarm. Worse, multiple sources report the KLA are carrying out reprisal attacks against Serbs, burning Serbian homes and setting in motion a mass exodus of Serbs from the province. NATO has now reportedly negotiated a settlement with the KLA, whereby the KLA will be disarmed, though the document will not be signed for another three days and it is unknown how long the agreement will take to be carried out after that. In the meantime, NATO continues to explain its inability to control the KLA and defend ethnic Serbs by arguing that it does not have sufficient forces in place to control the province. In fact, refugees report that NATO controls little more than the main roads to Pristina. And to be more precise, it is not simply that NATO does not have enough troops to establish a presence throughout Kosovo. NATO does not have enough troops to confront and forcibly disarm the KLA throughout Kosovo. While the KLA has said it may agree to demilitarization, and hand over its heavy weapons, it has steadfastly refused to give up small arms. And why should it? As far as the KLA is concerned, it is the victor. NATO has confirmed this by declaring the Serbs defeated. The KLA fought, with NATO's assistance, for an independent Kosova. NATO says it won, and so the KLA is establishing its independent Kosova. If NATO has different ideas, what is it going to do, go to war against the KLA? The problem is, while NATO used the KLA, it did not share the KLA's goals. Despite what Serbs believe about Washington's insidious desire for a Greater Albania, for the Clinton administration, Kosovo was little more than a clumsy and distracted attempt to avoid the same condemnation it received for failing to respond to claims of genocide in Rwanda. Now it is caught in the potential hypocrisy of presiding over a reverse ethnic cleansing in Kosovo and the redrawing of the map of the region along ethnic lines. And even if mysterious dark forces in Washington have somehow duped the naïve Stratfor on this count, and Clinton actually flies the KLA flag in his bedroom, they have not changed the fact that NATO is not merely the U.S. It also includes countries like Greece and Italy, who with aspiring NATO member Macedonia are appalled at the prospect of either a KLA-dominated independent Kosova or a Greater Albania. The KLA is a monumental problem for NATO, with the potential to divide and discredit the alliance more deeply than the bombing campaign. Not only can NATO politically not afford to live down to Belgrade's claims that it was truly fighting to dismember Serbia, nor abide the Serbian and Russian military responses to a de facto KLA "victory," its individual members can not tolerate such a dismemberment or victory either. That said, NATO has now been presented with the prospect that the ground casualties it sought so hard to avoid sustaining will come, not from the Serbs, but from uncooperative Kosovar Albanians. ...and we also have these intriguing items from STRATFOR : 1817 GMT 990616 Russian UN Ambassador Sergei Lavrov says that the issue of KLA demilitarization will be approached at the UN SECURITY COUNCIL meeting. Lavrov said the KLA rebels are "violati
[CTRL] THE REAL VICTORS IN KOSOVO (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 Subj: ForeignCorrespondent THE REAL VICTORS IN KOSOVO Foreign Correspondent Inside Track On World News By International Syndicated Columnist & Broadcaster Eric Margolis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> www.foreigncorrespondent.com THE REAL VICTORS IN KOSOVO By Eric Margolis 13 June 1999 Geneva -- Everyone involved in the strange Kosovo conflict is claiming victory - except for its chief victims, the Albanians. Serbia's ruler, Slobodan Milosevic, has saved his own skin, evaded prosecution for war crimes, and managed, at least for now, to keep Kosovo, which was 93% Albanian until this year's ethnic terror, under Serb sovereignty. NATO's promises to the Kosovars of a future vote on independence have been forgotten in the rush to end the war. The muddled accord almost certainly assures continued violence in Kosovo and a legion of future troubles for the Balkans. Many of the one million Albanian refugees are afraid to return to Kosovo, whose borders will remain under Serb military and police control, thus cementing Milosevic's terrorism. Albanians know once NATO loses interest in Kosovo, the Serbs will be back. Milosevic, who keeps power by creating trouble, will now turn his perpetual- motion crisis machine on neighboring Montenegro, unstable Macedonia, Bosnia, and Serbia's forgotten Muslim region of Sanjak. He will emerge from the war a hero and inspiration to the growing force of racism among Balkan Slavs and the Greeks. The `peace' deal is being hailed as a triumph of sensible internationalism by the curious, ad hoc alliance of groups that opposed the war: leftists, right-wing isolationists, anti-Americans, and Muslim-haters. Far from a triumph, it is a craven surrender to expediency by NATO's weak-willed leaders. At the same time, the western democracies have not only invited Russia and China to meddle in the Balkans, they are relying on them as `partners in peace.' Misery loves company; so do repressive regimes. It was no coincidence semi-communist Russia, and fully communist China, sprang to the defense of Serbia, Europe's last communist state. Nor that Moscow and Beijing reacted furiously to NATO's half-hearted intervention in Kosovo to protect human rights. Both are major violators of human rights and persecutors of restive minorities. Five years ago, the 1.2 million Muslim Chechens rose up against 250 years of savage Russian oppression. During World War II, 80% of Chechens were massacred, starved, or deported en masse in railroad cars to concentration camps by Stalin. To crush Chechen resistance, in 1994 Russian carpet bombing and heavy artillery killed 50,000 to 100,000 Chechen civilians. Torture and executions were widespread. Virtually all Chechen cities, towns, and villages were leveled in a horrifying prelude to Kosovo. Russian parliamentarians recently accused President Boris Yeltsin of major war crimes in Chechnya. Yet this same leader, and the same army that committed these atrocities, have been invited by NATO to join the Kosovo peacekeeping force. The Russian contingent, which was said to eventually number 10,000 troops, will be the second largest military force after the British. Far from keeping peace, the Russians will promote the interests of the outlaw Serb regime and, of course, Moscow's own centuries-old strategic ambitions in the Balkans, as Russia's seizure of Pristina airport showed this weekend. China has been enlisted in the `peace process' because its support in the UN Security Council is essential for diplomatic cover. The accidental bombing of China's embassy in Belgrade presented Beijing with a golden opportunity, which the Chinese immediately seized, to put America on the psychological defensive. China's contrived rage over this trivial incident helped distract attention from China's theft of US nuclear secrets, and deflected world condemnation over the anniversary of the Tienanmen massacre. Russia and China now hold veto power over the UN operation in Kosovo. More important, China is currently waging an intensifying campaign of repression against the Uighurs, a Turkic Muslim people, the majority in China's sensitive western province, Sinkiang -- formerly Eastern Turkistan. The Uighurs have rebelled against heavy-handed Chinese rule, and Bejing's campaign to swamp the region with Han Chinese settlers, repeating the process of Chinese ethnic inundation in Inner Mongolia and Tibet. China recently executed a score of Uighurs, arrested hundreds of suspected nationalists, and imposed martial law in many regions of Sinkiang. While Chinese repression in Tibet has provoked worldwide protest, its equally brutal policies in Sinkiang remain almost unknown. Not surprisingly, NATO intervention to save the Kosovars from Serb ethnic terror set off a
[CTRL] Kosovo's underground airbase
-Caveat Lector- [ Is this where the Serbs stashed their supply of Soviet Inter-Continental Ballistic Missiles (ICBMs), technology left behind from the old Soviet Union ? Ref: independent reports by Joseph Farah on 4-19-99 and Sherman H. Skolnick on 4-13-99... ] from: http://www.stratfor.com/crisis/kosovo/commentary/c9906121647.htm?section=3 Possible Goal of Russian Troops 1647 GMT, 990612 The race to Pristina may have been significant for more than simple political reasons. In the hills outside Pristina is a massive underground airbase, built to withstand both Soviet invasion and nuclear bombardment. The complex is one of the most valuable military facilities not only in Kosovo, but also in Yugoslavia as a whole. Yet, under the terms of the UN Security Council resolution, it will fall under the control of KFOR. Given that Yugoslav forces hope one day to return to Kosovo, and would prefer not to have to rout the KLA or its successor from the airbase, Yugoslav military officials may have requested the Russian sprint to Pristina to guarantee that the base fell under the control of friendly KFOR troops. . DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Bush's genealogical chart (from 350 BC)
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.totse.com/files/FA020/histchr2.htm (15 other charts omitted from this excerpt - see the footnote, below, for a summary) History of the 1st century - genealogical charts THE FOLLOWING CHART TRACES THE DESCENT OF THE AMERICAN PRESIDENTS 'GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH' AND 'FRANKLIN DELANO ROOSEVELT' FROM 'PHILIP OF MACEDONIA' ( CIRCA 350 B.C.E. ). DEMONSTRATING DIRECT DESCENT FROM THE MAIN CORE OF 'INNER-CICLE' FAMILIES. PHILIP OF MACEDONIA M. OLYMPIAS & PHILINNA _|_ | | LAGOS (THE RABBIT) ALEXANDER THE GREAT M. CONCUBINE? M. ROXANNA & STATIRA | PTOLEMY SOTER 1 M. BERENICE | PTOLEMY PHILADELPHUS 2 M. ARSINOE M. CONCUBINE? | PTOLEMY EUERGETES 3 M. BERENICE | PTOLEMY PHILOPATER 4 M. ARSINOE 3 | PTOLEMY EPIPHANES 5 M. CLEOPATRA 1 | PTOLEMY PHYSICON 7 M. CLEOPATRA 2 M. CLEOPATRA 3 | PTOLEMY LATHYRUS 8 M. CLEOPATRA 4 | PTOLEMY AULETES 11 M. EUPATRIA (DAUGHTER OF MITHERIDATES) __|_ | | ARSINOE CLEOPATRA 7 (THE CLEOPATRA) M. MENNEUS M. JULIUS CAESAR | N. MARK ANTONY PTOLEMY BAR MENNEUS M. CONCUBINE? M. ALEXANDRIA REGENT | MARIAMNE 1 M. KING HEROD (THE GREAT) | ARISTOBULUS M. BERENICE | MARIAMNE (ARRIA THE ELDER) M. T. FLAVIUS SABINUS 2 | MARIAMNE (CAECINA ARRIA THE YOUNGER) M. SILLIUS DOMITIUS M. GAIUS CALPERNIUS PISO M. LUCIUS CALPERNIUS PISO CONTINUED MARIAMNE (CAECINA ARRIA THE YOUNGER) M. GAIUS CALPERNIUS (CAESONINUS) PISO | ARRIUS (ANTONINUS) CALPERNIUS PISO (JOSEPHUS) M. BOIONIA PROCILLA SERVILIA | POMPEIA PLOTINA CLAUDIA PHOEBE PISA M. CORELIUS RUFUS M. TRAJAN (THE EMPEROR) | DOMITIA LUCILLA 2 M. JULIANUS CALPERNIUS PISO | MARCUS AURELIUS (THE EMPEROR) M. FAUSTINA 2 | CRISPUS COMMODUS M. BRUTTIA CRISPINA | CLAUDIA CRISPINA M. EUTROPIUS | CLOVIS CONSTANTIUS 1 (CLORUS) M. THEODORA M. ST. HELENA | | | THE EMPEROR CONSTANTINE 1 (THE GREAT) CONSTANTINA M. LICINIUS | LICINIANUS M. CONCUBINE? | VALENTINIAN 1 M. JUSTINA | VALENTINA JUSTINA M. THEODOSIUS MAGNUS 1 | 'ARCHADIUS' CLAUDIUS CLAUDIANUS M. EUDOXIA M. SIEGSE | MEROVECH MEROVEE (THE YOUNG) M. CONCUBINE? | CHIDERICH CLAUDIOS 1 M. ANDOVERA | CLOVIS 1 M. EVOCHILDE M. CLOTHILDE CLOVIS 1 (d. 511 C.E.) M. EVOCHILDE M. CLOTHILDA | CHLOTHAR 1 M. RADEGUNDA | CHILPERIC 1 M. GALSWITHA M. FREDEGONDE | CHLOTHAR 2 M. ( 3 WIVES ) | DAGOBERT 1 M. ( 5 WIVES ) | SIGISBERT 3 M. IMMACHILDE | DAGOBERT 2 M. MATHILDE M. GISELLE DE RAZES | SIGISBERT 4 M. MAGDALA | SIGISBERT 5 M. CONCUBINE? | BERA 3 M. OLBA | GUILLAUME M. ( 2 WIVES ) | BERA 4 M. ROMILLE | ARGILA M. REVERGE | BERA 5 M. CONCUBINE? | HILDERIC 1 M. CONCUBINE? | SIGISBERT 6 ('PRINCE URSUS') M. ROTILDE SIGISBERT 6 ('PRINCE URSUS') M. ROTILDE | GUILLAUME 2 M. IDOINE | GUILLAUME 3 M. CONCUBINE? | ARNAUD M. CONCUBINE? | BERA 6 M. CONCUBINE? | SIGISBERT 7 M. CONCUBINE? | HUGUES 1 M. ANNA | JEAN (JOHN) 1 M. ISABEL | HUGUES M. AGNES | EUSTACHE 1 M. MAHAUDE DE LOUVAIN | EUSTACHE 2 M. IDE DE ARDENNES | BALDWIN 2 M. CONCUBINE? | MELISENDE M. FULK 5 OF ANJOU | GEOFFREY PLANTAGENET (THE FAIR) OF ANJOU M. MATILDA | HENRY 2 (KING OF ENGLAND) M. ALIX DE PORHOET M. ELEANOR OF AQUITAINE | JOHN (c. 1199-1216) * M. ISABELLA OF ANGOULEME JOHN (SON OF HENRY 2, c. 1199-1216) * M. ISABELLA OF ANGOULEME | HENRY 3 M. ELEANOR OF PROVENCE | EDWARD 1 (c. 1290) M. MARGARET OF FRANCE & ELEANOR OF CASTILE _| | | EDWARD 2 (c. 1307-1327) ELIZABTH M. M. FERGUS, LORD OF GALLOWAY | UCHTRED OF GALLOWAY M. GUNNILDE OF DUNBAR (DES. ETHELRED 2, d.1016) | ROLAND, LORD OF GALLOWAY M. ELENA DE MORVILLE | ALAN, LORD OF GALLOWAY M. DAUGHTER OF HUGH DE LACY, EARL OF ULSTER | HELEN OF GALLOWAY M. ROGER DE QUINCY (DES. HENRY 1, FR.,d.1060) | ELIZABETH DE QUINCY M. ALEXANDER COMYN, 2ND EARL OF BUCHAN | ELIZABETH COMYN M. GILBERT DE UMFREVILLE | ROBERT DE UMFREVILLE M. LUCY DE KYME | ELIZABETH DE UMFREVILLE M. GILBERT DE BOROGHDON | ELEANOR DE BOROGHDON M. HENRY TALBOYS | WALTER TALBOYS M. MARGRET TALBOYS M. JOAN TALBOYS = ANDREW LUTTRELL | SIR JOHN TALBOYS M. AGNES COKEFIELD M. HAWISE LUTTRELL = SIR GODFREY HILTON | JOHN TALBOYS M. KATHRINE CIBTHORPE | MARGARET TALBOYS * M. JOHN AYSCOUGH * MARGARET TALBOYS * M. JOHN AYSCOUGH * | ELIZABETH AYSCOUGH M. WILLIAM BOOTH | JOHN BOOTH M. ANNE THIMBLEBY | ELEANOR BOOTH M. EDWARD HAMBY | WILLIAM HAMBY M. MARGARET BLEWETT | ROBERT HAMBY M. ELIZABETH ARNOLD | CATHERINE HAMBY OF MASS. M. EDWARD HUTCHINSON | ELISHA HUTCHINSON M. HANNAH HAWKINS (1) M. ELIZABETH CLARKE (2) ___|___ | | EDWARD HUTCHINSON HANNAH HUTCHINSON M. LYDIA FOSTER M. JOHN RUCK | | ELIZABETH HUTCHINSON HANNAH RUCK M. NATHANIEL ROBBINS M. THEOPH
[CTRL] RUSSIAN MILITARY'S GROWING ROLE
-Caveat Lector- http://nw3.nai.net/~virtual/sot/unrep.htm Military Granted Larger Formal Role in Russian Foreign Policy 1554 GMT, 990615 Russian President Boris Yeltsin has reportedly approved agreements reached at the meeting of the Russian Security Council, which state that the Foreign Ministry will coordinate all of Russia's future Kosovo activities with other government offices. According to Russian Prime Minister Sergei Stepashin, "Synchronization of the performance of the Foreign Ministry, the military, and the government is the rigid algorithm whose performance started today." First, this is a very public, clear, and appalling admission on the part of Stepashin and Yeltsin that a massive rift opened inside the Kremlin over Russian foreign policy. Despite the personal assurances of Russian Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov that Russian troops would not enter Kosovo without first coordinating with NATO, Russian troops did just that, sweeping in ahead of NATO forces and seizing Slatina airbase near Pristina. Just who ordered the Russian troops into Kosovo is a matter of some confusion. Certainly Russian envoy Viktor Chernomyrdin was out of the loop, as, it appears, was Ivanov. The official Russian story is that Yeltsin approved the decision to send troops, but left it up to the Russian General Staff to decide the time. An equally plausible option was that the Russian military, sick and tired of the Russian moderates' handling of the Kosovo crisis as well as broader foreign policy, presented the deployment as a fait accompli to Yeltsin. Yeltsin, always the political weathervane, saw which way the wind was blowing and embraced the Army's move, promoting the maneuver's commander to Colonel General. Whatever transpired, the Russian deployment pulled the rug out from under the Foreign Ministry, which scrambled as quickly as NATO to figure out what had happened. It then demanded a meeting of Russia's Security Council to guarantee that something like this does not happen again. So now, it has been resolved that the Foreign Ministry will coordinate all of Russia's future Kosovo activities with other government offices. A victory for the Foreign Ministry and Russia's moderates? Not likely. The Foreign Ministry did not have its demands met in the Security Council meeting -- the Defense Ministry did. One of the basic principles of civilian governments is the supremacy of the government over the military. The civilian foreign policy apparatus makes decisions and the military is deployed as needed to carry out those decisions. The military may think the civilian leadership is saturated with idiots, but it obeys orders. Now, in Russia, the Foreign Ministry must coordinate all future Kosovo activities with the Defense Ministry. Far from reining in the Russian military, this agreement gives the military a significant formal say in Russian foreign policy. What should have been considered a massive overstep of the political process and the chain of command -- with the Russian commander in Kosovo court martialed, not promoted -- instead has resulted in the elevation of the military in the Russian political process. [EMAIL PROTECTED] © 1998, 1999 Stratfor, Inc. All rights reserved. . DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Balkan Trap and the Russian Right
-Caveat Lector- from: http://nw3.nai.net/~virtual/sot/unrep.htm The Balkan Trap, by J. Adams Below is an editorial I wrote for my school newspaper that was published in February of 1994 under the title: "Involvement With Serbia Will Trigger World War Three". I'm presenting here even though it is five-years-old because the main points and the arguments made are just as relevant, if not more relevant, today as they were five years ago. The only thing which might be different is my conviction is much less today that Vladimir Zhirinovsky will necessarily be the nationalist dictator brought to power in a Russian coup. It could be some other candidate like Russian Prime Minister Yevgeny Primakov (which would be through a palace coup). --- The Balkan Trap By J. Adams February, 1994 - "If we presume the coming transformation of the Communist Party into the Russian Orthodox Party of the Soviet Union, we would obtain truly the ideal state, one which would fulfill the historical destiny of the Russian people. It is a question of the Orthodoxization of the entire world." (Gennadii Shimanov) "The messianic significance of Russia in relation to the West is beyond doubt. Slavophilism alone can still save the West from parliamentarism, unbelief, and dynamite." (Aleksei Kireev) (Quotes taken from opening page of Alexander Yanov's 'The Russian Challenge and the Year 2000'.) - As the West prepares to take military action against the Serbs, the world holds its breath wondering what will happen next. For anyone who knows the truth, however, the future is clear. Western military intervention in the Balkans is being intentionally provoked by the Russian- backed Serbs in order to trigger world war three. The general strategy is to provoke the West into taking military action against Russia's slavic brethren in order to create a pretext for a Zhirinovsky coup and massive Russian military aggression against the West. Notably, Zhirinovsky visited Serbia the week prior to the current crisis and declared that he would consider any action by NATO against Serbia an act of war against Russia. More specifically, Zhirinovsky proclaimed: "If a single bomb falls on Serbia we will consider that an attack on Russia". Last year I wrote an editorial, entitled "A Time For War", in which I warned that Russia is setting a trap so that, when Western military action is taken against the Serbs, "a militant neofacist dictator can be brought to power in Russia... That dictator - and I'll even tell you his name: Vladimir Zhirinovsky - can then be used to launch a third world war against Israel, America, and the Western allies...". Unfortunately, everyone appears to be ignoring the meaning of my editorials as well as the implications of "The Zhirinovsky Connection". The reason I was able to anticipate the crisis the world is currently being drawn into a year ago is because I believe the world has been totally deceived. As I see it, ever since Mikhail Gorbachev came to power in the mid-1980's and introduced his "New Thinking", Russia has been living by its old thinking in a new and far more dangerous form. One way to explain the unbelievable reversal in Russia's behavior over the past decade most likely stems from the "Russian Idea". In his books, 'The Russian New Right' (1978), and 'The Russian Challenge and the Year 2000' (1987), Sovietologist Alexander Yanov describes an ideological transformation that was taking place at the top of the Soviet power structure during the 1970's and early 1980's. This transformation stemmed from Russia's historical messianic complex. According to the "New Right", Russia's mission is to save the world from the evils of liberalism and democracy by waging an apocalyptic war against the West so that a global orthodox dictatorship can be established. Before doing this, however, communism needed to be overthrown and the Soviet empire disbanded so that Russia could get back to its "spiritual roots". As I see it, when Gorbachev rose to power in 1985, the program of the Russian Right (Slavophiles), not the Left (Westernizers), began to be implemented. Gorbachev's "New Thinking", based upon the Russian Idea, was a long-term plan to bring about exactly what we see today: communism is overthrown, the Soviet empire disbanded, and, now that the West is most vulnerable, Russia is about to have Zhirinovsky launch world war three. After the dust settles and the West is defeated, Gorbachev will undoubtedly reemerge to power and claim he is saving the world from self-destruction.
[CTRL] Terrorist Attack from Bin Laden Expected
-Caveat Lector- bin Laden May Be Planning Attack By JOHN DIAMOND .c The Associated Press WASHINGTON (AP) - Suspected terrorist Osama bin Laden is in the advanced stages of planning another terrorist operation, U.S. intelligence has concluded, though the timing and location of the strike are unknown. A U.S. official who spoke today on condition of anonymity said bin Laden, who the United States blames as ordering last year's bombings of American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, is clearly planning another attack. Last week, he was placed on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted List of fugitives. Because of the difficulty of launching an operation at targets in the United States, bin Laden is expected to focus on targets in poorer countries where security is weaker, intelligence officials have concluded. A U.S. official said there have been indications in recent weeks that bin Laden has been moving unspecified materials that could be used in a terrorist attack, and that U.S. facilities in African nations, such as Ghana or Mozambique, could be targets. But the official stressed that there is no clear intelligence on the timing or target of any impending attack. CIA Director George Tenet said in February ``there is not the slightest doubt'' that bid Laden, ``his worldwide allies, and his sympathizers are planning further attacks against'' the United States ``at any time.'' ``We are anticipating bombing attempts ... but his operatives are also capable of kidnappings and assassinations,'' Tenet said. ABC-TV quoted U.S. intelligence officials Wednesday as saying they believe Bin Laden is suffering from Marfan's syndrome, an illness that would put him at risk of having a stroke. But an official discounted the notion that any illness bin Laden suffers may be causing the exiled Saudi to accelerate his plans for any terrorist action. Bin Laden, an exiled Saudi millionaire, has openly declared his hostility to the United States for its support of Israel and for the presence of U.S. troops in the Persian Gulf region. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] "War Crimes" Inquiry Delayed
-Caveat Lector- NATO (meaning the US and Britain) rushes to get to the scene of alleged "atrocities" BEFORE the UN investigators. Their invasion of the crime scene suggests "tampering with the evidence." War Crimes Tribunal Probes Delayed By ANTHONY DEUTSCH .c The Associated Press THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) - With efforts to establish a peacekeeping headquarters in limbo and refugees flooding back to Kosovo, the war crimes tribunal for Yugoslavia said Wednesday it has been forced to delay investigations. Speed is essential for the U.N. court, which had hoped to have investigators in the region two days ago. Deputy prosecutor Graham Blewitt warned that evidence of atrocities in the region may be destroyed if crime scenes aren't swiftly and properly secured. If work is substantially delayed and winter comes to the region early, some evidence may never be found, he said. Blewitt said he hopes investigators will be able to begin on-site operations within two days. Causing the delay are troubles the Kosovo peacekeeping force has had in setting up its headquarters, where at least 150 tribunal investigators are supposed to be housed. The Russians' presence at Pristina airport, the planned headquarters site, has prevented the peacekeepers from setting up there. Tension between NATO and Russia heightened Wednesday, with Moscow saying it had sent a third batch of troops to the airport, Blewitt told reporters the mass return of refugees to Kosovo and the influx of journalists also could pose problems by causing evidence about atrocities to be damaged or discredited. ``Any person who arrives at a crime scene and starts picking up the evidence and interfering with it compromises our ability,'' he said. ``It makes it easier for an accused ... to say it was planted.'' Once in Kosovo, tribunal investigators will seek evidence to buttress refugee reports of mass murders, rapes and the plundering of homes and property. The allegations led to last month's indictments of Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic and four senior associates on charges of crimes against humanity. Blewitt said the charges against Milosevic and the eventual indictments of others meant ``a change of government is going to be inevitable in Yugoslavia.'' The tribunal hopes to eventually have 12 to 14 teams of about 10 people each operating throughout Kosovo. Some 40 forensic experts from the United States, Britain, France, Sweden, Norway and the Netherlands have already agreed to aid the court, Blewitt said. Time is of the essence. ``When winter comes and the snow starts to fall, that puts an end to any ability to collect or observe the evidence on the ground,'' he said. He stressed that bullet casings, shell fragments and human remains need to be gathered swiftly. Although most of the investigators are waiting to begin their work, there are already a few tribunal staffers in Kosovo setting up basic facilities without a permanent base of operations. Kosovo peace force troops, meanwhile, are themselves securing sites - a job the tribunal had anticipated doing itself. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Mindcontrol Email list under mindcontrol example 2
-Caveat Lector- Assistant List Moderator Jim Drapeou of a mindcontrol list likes to control what people, hes working to discredit victims who tell their stories. I recently wrote: << Who said it was a flame? Are you saying my opinions are flame. Im highly insulted, I see your agenda, only views to discredit mindcontrol victims allowed everyone elses opinions dont count. = He writes back: "Personal opinion is ok. However, your comments were nothing more than an outright attack on Gene. This constitutes a flame, which there is zero tolerance for on this list. Jim Drapeou Assistant List Moderator [MC] [EMAIL PROTECTED] " So I wrote to Jim: "Now Jim I know youre opinoins are valid from your view point just a Chistian views are as valid as a Jews just as an Afrcan American s views are as valid as a Caucasian. Some people believe that thier opinions from thier perspectives are more valid than others or somehow are more correct. Is the glass half empty or is it half full? No from my perspective expressing my views are not flames and when a person believes that someones opinions or suggestions for professional help are insultive it may be a sign of a serious illness like paranoia or denail. We must look into ourselves for our own implants http://members.tripod.com/~mdars/delga2b.htm">http://members.tripod.com/ ~mdars/delga2b.htm or that inner voice which may not even be our own, see our anger and hostility at the things we dont understand, like to pretend arent real. Then when we grasp reality firmly perhaps we should take medicine if we feel that people who express thier opions are wrong. Dr. Mengelee thought all Jewish people were not capable of expressing thier opinions but I think people in concentration camps had valid opinions becuase its wrong to experiment on people from my perspective. I would never tell a vicitm of Dr.Mengelee that he was a liar nor would I tell a soldier who liberated a camp that he was a liar or his opinions were wrong or say that that his views on a discussion list were flames. Dr Mengelee might want me to follw the rules set up by his particular medical code but I would disagree." But Again my opinions have been censored by a mindcontrol email list by the assistant list moderator: <> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] "Gun Control," Pentagon Style
-Caveat Lector- U.S. Ammunition Sold to Civilians By TOM RAUM .c The Associated Press WASHINGTON (AP) - Some 100,000 rounds of armor-piercing ammunition were transferred from the military to the civilian market over the past year, a congressional study found. The transfer was done under a government program set up to help the military dispose of surplus and obsolete ammunition, said the study released Wednesday by the Democratic minority of the House Government Reform Committee. The report said the Pentagon sells surplus .50-caliber shells designed for long-range military sniper weapons for $1 a ton to a West Virginia manufacturing company. Talon Manufacturing dismantled 98 percent of the rounds for scrap, but it refurbished the remaining 2 percent and offered them for sale, including to foreign military and civilian buyers, the report said. ``The sale of armor piercing ammunition in the civilian market poses a threat to public safety,'' said the report, while acknowledging that no laws are being violated. The Colombian and Brazilian military were listed by the report as Talon's foreign military customers, purchasing a total of 203,000 rounds over the past year. The company also refurbished and sold back to the U.S. military 35,000 rounds, the report said. ``We're doing nothing wrong. I'm not sure what the issue is,'' said John Connor, a Talon executive. The company also issued a written statement saying its operations ``are conducted according to contract and or appropriate statutory or regulatory requirements.'' ``Talon does not buy ammunition from the government but is paid by the government to demilitarize ammunition as established by contract,'' the statement said, disputing the report's claim that the government sells the surplus ammunition for $1 a ton. Rep. Rod Blagojevich, D-Ill., who with Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., commissioned the study, said the program allowing high-powered ammunition to pass from the military into civilian hands may not be illegal - but should be. ``This shows an unhealthy relationship between the Pentagon and gun dealers,'' Blagojevich said. The report was based partly on an undercover investigation by the General Accounting Office, the investigative branch of Congress. It said one unidentified dealer boasted in a tape-recorded conversation that the ammunition would ``go through six inches of steel up to a 45-degree angle at 1,000 yards'' and could easily go through bulletproof glass or an armored limousine. Despite its firepower, .50-caliber ammunition is virtually unregulated, the report said. ``The investigation showed that the U.S. military is indirectly arming civilians with some of the most powerful and destructive ammunition currently available,'' the report said. Talon is permitted to refurbish the ammunition and sell it in the civilian market under the Department of Defense's Conventional Demilitarization Program. Talon has an exclusive agreement with the Pentagon. From the 98 percent of .50-calibre ammunition that it dismantles for scrap the company manufactures an explosive used in road construction, the report said. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] IMF Banker Negotiated Kosovo Peace
-Caveat Lector- Banker Worked On Kosovo Diplomacy By TONY CZUCZKA .c The Associated Press BONN, Germany (AP) - An investment banker with ties to Russia went on a secret mission to Belgrade in May as part of diplomatic efforts to persuade Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic to accept a peace plan for Kosovo, a German official said Wednesday. The London banker, Peter Castenfelt, met Milosevic with the consent of Russia and Germany shortly before Yugoslavia agreed June 3 to the peace plan presented by official mediators, according to two men involved in the diplomatic effort. One of those two, German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder's foreign policy adviser, Michael Steiner, said he met Castenfelt before and after the banker's seven-day trip to Belgrade starting May 29. Steiner said Castenfelt had only a limited impact and had no mandate to negotiate peace terms. ``It would be naive to believe that Milosevic only needed new explanations in order for him to say: Now I'm ready to make peace,'' Steiner said Wednesday. Two main factors persuaded the Yugoslav leader to give in, Steiner said. ``One was the military pressure, which increased sharply in the final phase,'' he said. ``The second element was that Moscow signaled very clearly that (Milosevic) could not count on military or political support.'' A second man involved in the diplomatic effort, Karl Kaiser, said Wednesday that the mission helped secure the agreement reached by Milosevic and Martti Ahtisaari, the Finnish president and European Union peace envoy. Kaiser was a foreign policy adviser to Schroeder during his election campaign. He said he introduced Castenfelt to Steiner and Wolfgang Ischinger, a senior German Foreign Ministry official. Castenfelt has acted as an intermediary between the International Monetary Fund and Russia in the past, Kaiser said. His connection to Russia helped him in his meeting with the Yugoslav president, Kaiser said. ``Castenfelt helped explain positions that Milosevic subsequently agreed to,'' he said. ``We paved the way.'' Castenfelt tried to put peace conditions set out by Western powers and Russia in a positive light for Milosevic, Kaiser said. He stressed, for example, that the international force being sent to Kosovo was under a United Nations mandate, something Milosevic had demanded, Kaiser said. Castenfelt, who reportedly met Milosevic once during his stay, also discussed efforts by diplomats to coordinate crucial details about the pullout of Yugoslav forces from Kosovo, the end of NATO's air war and the arrival of the international peacekeeping force, Kaiser said. Castenfelt could not be reached for comment on his reported diplomatic efforts. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] More Mass Graves
-Caveat Lector- Mass Grave Probe Opens in Sri Lanka BY GEMUNU AMARASINGHE .c The Associated Press JAFFNA, Sri Lanka (AP) - Workers began digging Wednesday at a suspected site of a mass grave thought to hold the remains of nearly 300 minority Tamils who disappeared while in military custody three years ago. Relatives of the missing people watched the excavation together with five Western observers, including a representative from Amnesty International. The Sri Lankan government ordered the digging after a soldier convicted last year of the rape and murder of a Tamil family told judges he had helped bury the victims of other soldiers. The convicted soldier, Lance Cpl. Somaratne Rajapakse, was brought in handcuffs to the excavation site. Raising his right hand, he pointed out spots where he claimed to have helped bury the bodies. More than 58,000 people have been killed in fighting between the government and Tamil Tiger rebels since 1983. The rebels have been fighting to establish a separate homeland for Sri Lanka's minority Tamils, accusing the majority Sinhalese of widespread discrimination in education and jobs. The rebels seized the Jaffna peninsula at the island nation's northern tip in 1990 and proclaimed a government for more than 1 million people, mostly Tamils, living in northern Sri Lanka. The army recaptured the area in 1996 after a 50-day offensive, and some 600 Tamils disappeared while in military custody. The army has been in control of the area since then, but rebels continue intermittent attacks from surrounding jungles. A Jaffna court on Wednesday permitted Sri Lanka's Justice Ministry to start the excavation at Chemmani near Jaffna, 185 miles north of Colombo, the Sri Lankan capital. Amnesty International had accused the government of stalling the digging, but the government blamed delays on floods and difficulty in finding specialists. Investigators said that during two hours of digging Wednesday, workers found part of a human body - a man's knee. The army said it had cleared the area of land mines, which are used both by the rebels and the army. The digging will resume Thursday. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Marines vs KLA
-Caveat Lector- "``We are enforcing peace in Kosovo and the mandate says all personnel will be disarmed,'' Eiland said." That's NOT what the mandate says, by expert reading -- but the KLA is now the biggest threat to peace in Kosovo, and NATO permitting more "atrocities" to occur in an "ethnic cleansing" of Serb civilians, with Serb refugees in the tens of thousands, with the UN present as observers, would be just TOO embarrassing for the US ... U.S. Marines Disarm KLA Group ZEGRA, Yugoslavia (AP) - U.S. Marines were forced to take weapons away from about 200 Kosovo Liberation Army fighters on Wednesday in one of the Marines' first peacekeeping activities in Kosovo. Marines from Company K, Battalion Landing Team 38, negotiated with the group in this village 30 miles southeast of the provincial capital of Pristina, but the rebels were unwilling to give up their weaponry, said Capt. David Eiland. The fighters relented under threat from armored personnel carriers and Cobra attack helicopters. Six leaders of the KLA group were taken away in handcuffs near the farming village of Zegra, said Eiland. ``In the end, we had to physically take their weapons away from them,'' he said. ``They did not want to surrender their weapons. Their leaders would not let them do it and we had to deploy Marines to take the weapons away from them.'' No one was injured during the confrontation. ``We are enforcing peace in Kosovo and the mandate says all personnel will be disarmed,'' Eiland said. ``We draw no lines. We treat everyone the same, regardless if it's KLA, if it's Albanian, if it's Serbian, it does not matter to us,'' he said. ``We will disarm the people who have weapons.'' DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush's genealogical chart (from 350 BC)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-06-17 04:50:33 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > from: http://www.totse.com/files/FA020/histchr2.htm >(15 other charts omitted from this excerpt - > see the footnote, below, for a summary) What a crock. This "genealogy" combines a phony Piso/Herodian link (courtesy of "Reuchlin"'s anti-Christian argument) with a totally unsupportable Claudian-Merovingian link (courtesy of PoS propagandists) and then weaves in elements from Settipani's speculative and highly debatable B.C. genealogy. Two frauds + a wild guess. Nearer to home, if there IS a Roosevelt-Bush link, I'd like to see any evidence for it. Posted to any genealogy newsgroup, this would raise gales of disdainful laughter. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Milocevic, take a bow.
-Caveat Lector- What hath Milocevic wrought? Since taking power 12 years ago, he's accomplished a great deal for his people. He's started and lost four wars. He's overseen the total breakup of the old Republic of the Southern Slavs, 'balkanized' into its constituent components. He's seen Serbs expelled from those breakaway states by the hundreds of thousands, seen thousands more suffer from atrocities at the hands of vengeful non-Serbs in retribution for the atrocities of Serb soldiers and militias. He's given the remaining Serbs a land that's shrunken, shattered, impoverished, emasculated, isolated, reviled; its infrastructure destroyed; its fields and waters poisoned; its literati purged; its role as a regional power minimized. He's fucked the Serbs. Could one man be this incompetent, all on his own? Was he driven only by a greed for power, to transform himself from a communist aparatchik into a suicidal nationalist? Or has he achieved his goal: the denaturing of Serbia? Who does he work for, really? Whose interests are served by turning the Balkans into a swarm of microstates; by inserting Mujahadin activists and NATO soldiers into Southeast Europe; by demonstrating that Russia is defanged, impotent, irrelevant to European affairs? For two millennia, the former Yugoslavia was the fault line between Western and Eastern Europe; for 3/4 of that time, the knife-edge between Catholic & Orthodox Xianity; for 2/3 of that time, the spear-point where Islam prods Xianity. Like Palestine where the 3 continents of Europe, Asia and Africa converge, the Balkans are deceptively complex - often a neglected backwater, sometime the strategic bone of contention between multiple forces. Events there are not just of local concern, they echo and reverberate around the world. Players there become global actors. Who fed Milocevic his script? Who directed the play? Milocevic, take a bow. You've played your part superbly. * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.sonic.net/~ric * ICQ# 19633976 * * *** SkeptiChat: sliding down the razor-blade of life *** now featuring SkeptiNews: All The News That's Fit To Question email INFO or SUBSCRIBE SKEPTICHAT to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] (4/4) InfoWar -- PROMIS, Justice Dept., Mafia, Bush/Clinton
-Caveat Lector- "A. For reasons of national security right now, judge, I cannot answer that. "Q. I am not talking about government programs. I'm talking about private companies. "A. Well, sometimes private companies--. You might not believe this, but those that you THINK are private are really owned by the United States government." Earl Brian Convicted in California by J. Orlin Grabbe Earl Brian, the man who marketed the stolen PROMIS software all over the world, has been convicted of financial fraud. I reported on Brian's indictment in "Part 27: Allegations Regarding Vince Foster, the NSA, and Banking Transactions Spying." Brian was convicted on 10 out of 13 counts on which he was tried. This occurred despite the efforts of convicted felon, and former Justice Department attorney, Webster Hubbell. Hubbell placed his man in the local U.S. attorney's office. This attorney was supposed to ensure that Brian did not get convicted on any of the charges. But the jury did their job, and the Justice Department thus screwed-up their intended screw-up. And Brian is going to jail. Each count carries a minimum 9 years in prison, so the 53-year old Brian is facing 90 years in prison. He is also under indictment in Canada. Think what this means. Faced with the prospect of spending the rest of his life in prison, Brian will undoubtedly want to cut a deal. If he cuts a deal, he will necessarily testify against former Attorney General Ed Meese, as well as Los Angeles mafia mogul George Pender. If Meese and Pender then try to cut deals, they will testify against George Bush. This will mean the end of George Bush's drug-and-arms dealing career. George Bush, who recently threw his support to Bob Dole, will go the way of Bill Clinton and other dodo birds--as well he should. There is a curious thing about this case. The court is not releasing any information on which counts Brian was convicted. The court is apparently under political pressure to make the convictions go away. That's why you haven't heard about it on some of the media Brian once owned, such as CNBC. (Brian was the previous owner of Financial News Network, which was merged into the present network. Come on Bill Griffeth and Sue Herera! Give us the news about your former boss! Hell, I used to watch you guys on channel 64 in Philadelphia.) Brian marketed the PROMIS software--which was stolen by "trickery, deceit, and fraud," according to federal bankruptcy Judge George Bason--to intelligence organizations around the world. This included Israel and Iraq, the latter deal facilitated by arms dealer Carlos Cardoen. He also made a sale of PROMIS to the government of Brazil. In the deposition of Charles Hayes, (Inslaw and Hamilton versus the United States of America, United States Court of Federal Claims, Congressional Reference No. 95-338X) is the following exchange: Q. Do you have any documents in your possession that pertain to computer software called FOIMS? . . . A. . . . What you call FOIMS is PROMIS Enhanced software, whether you like it or not. . . . Now, whether it's called FOIMS, TECS or whatever it's called, to me it--you can take a Chevrolet emblem off of a Chevrolet car, ma'am, and you can put Ford on it, but its still Chevrolet. . . . Q. Do you know Doctor Earl Brian? A. I met Earl Brian, yes, ma'am. Q. When did you meet him? A. In Brazil. Q. When? A. In the '80's. Q. What did Doctor Brian look like? A. Big tall fellow. Got a big foot on him too. Q. How did you meet him? A. He was selling some software. Q. In Brazil? A. Yes, ma'am. Q. And what type of software was that? A. PROMIS. Q. So Doctor Brian was selling PROMIS in Brazil? A. Uh huh (affirmative response). Q. Who was he trying to sell it to? A. Brazilian government. . . . Q. So you--the reason you know it was PROMIS was because Doctor Brian said it was PROMIS? A. In front of everybody there, yes, ma'am. Q. Did he say it was INSLAW's PROMIS? A. No. Q. Are you aware of any other companies that developed a product called PROMIS? A. For reasons of national security right now, I will not answer that. Q. I am not talking about government programs. A. What did I just say, ma'am? Q. I'm talking about private companies. A. Well, sometimes private companies, you might not believe this, Ms. Cook, but those that you think are private is owned by the United States government. Either that or somebody told me awful wrong. Q. So did you sign an agreement with Doctor Brian not to disclose anything about this? A. No, ma'am, I signed no agreements at any time. Didn't ever, and never will as long as the day I live, sign a contract or anything else with Mr. Earl Brian. Q. Which Brailian government agencies did he try to sell PROMIS to? A. Well, you don't sell it to agencies. They are not like over here, ma'am, they don't have agencies over there. Brazil and the
[CTRL] (1/4) InfoWar -- IMF/Echelon/PROMIS/Mossad/Bush-Clinton/FEMA
-Caveat Lector- NATO - What For ? FRANCE: U.S. Accused of 'Promis' Information Warfare Program Brussels LE VIF/L'EXPRESS in French, 9 May 97 pp 74-82 [Interview with Fabrizio Calvi and Thierry Pfister, authors of book L'Oeil de Washington (The Eye of Washington), by Denis Jeambar and Yves Stavrides; place and date not given: "Espionage: How Washington Booby-Trapped All the World's Computers"] [Translated Text] How far can a government go? Democracies have settled that issue of the desire for power in principle: The state of law, situated at the heart of their institutional mechanisms, forms their boundaries. But that framework is in fact more virtual than real, and laws or treaties are very fragile barriers when it comes to containing the appetite for conquest. All democracies have their shadowy areas known as the secret police or as espionage networks. Those instruments for protecting national interests are also weapons of conquest. All states use them, but then again, might makes right. L'Oeil de Washington (The Eye of Washington) by Fabrizio Calvi and Thierry Pfister, soon to be published by the Albin Michel Publishing House, is an almost incredible illustration of that. Following an unusually rigorous investigation, the two journalists reveal how the United States penetrated and booby-trapped the computer systems of its enemies and allies. This unprecedented espionage operation, suddenly revealed in this flabbergasting book, shows that the democratic ideal remains a very weak rampart against the will to dominate. [LE VIF/L'EXPRESS] Spies by the dozen, crooked politicians, games of consequences, bizarre suicides, arms merchants, drug traffickers, and all of it on a global scale! There is a shock right at the start: The U.S. and Israeli intelligence services reportedly have been booby-trapping all of the world's computer systems since the 1980's! After reading your book, one wonders if one might have been dreaming. [Answer] The story seems incredible, but it is true. It is backed by two investigating committees in the United States: the one in the House of Representatives and the one in the Senate. By three trials. By proof. By statements by the participants, although they are not necessarily presentable--that is typical of secret operations of this kind. The Inslaw case is a taboo subject, with its load of disinformation and with its gray areas, unverifiable statements, and ghosts. We had to clean things up. Because it is a shameful affair. The manipulators and especially the manipulated cannot be proud of it. In THE NEW YORK TIMES on 21 April 1991, an honest man whose integrity is beyond dispute and who--for good reason--had access to the CIA published a fantastic article titled "A High-Tech Watergate." That man knows what he is talking about. He is Elliot Richardson, a former attorney general under Richard Nixon, and at the time he refused to cover up the Watergate scandal and resigned in a blaze of publicity. Today Richardson is the attorney for the victim in that crazy story: Bill Hamilton, owner of the Inslaw computer company. [LE VIF/L'EXPRESS] In his case, everything started with an ordinary industrial property lawsuit. [Answer] Exactly. Hamilton is a former agent of the National Security Agency (NSA). The NSA, based at Fort Meade, Maryland, is the electronic wiretapping center of the planet. Trained as an engineer, Hamilton worked for the NSA in Vietnam. He left the NSA and started his company in the early 1970's. That was before the era of minicomputers. Microcomputers had not yet appeared. To combat crime, the Justice Department--like the CIA and the FBI--was dreaming of a software package that would make incompatible things compatible. Every prosecutor's office had its own data, files, and day-to-day operations. In plain language, was it possible to devise software that would interconnect all the prosecutors' offices and all their files and data? The department then issued a call for tenders and launched a program to finance the project. So, using public money, Bill Hamilton developed software known as Promis. There were fantastic breakthroughs in computers in the late 1970's and early 1980's, as computers went from eight to 16 bits--bits being a reflection of the power of the machines: their speed of execution. [LE VIF/L'EXPRESS] That did not prevent Carter from halting the program. [Answer] True. When Reagan arrived at the White House in 1980, the program had been halted. But using private funds--and that is another ambiguous aspect of the affair--Hamilton developed a 32-bit version using a Vax VMS computer. His improved software, Promis, then became a miraculous object. From one state to another and from one country to another, it could read utility bills, check up on financial flows in and out of bank accounts, and track people as they entered and left territories. It could do everything! It could learn everything about anyone! Hamilton got the contract to equip U.S. prosec
[CTRL] (2/4) InfoWar -- PROMIS, Reaganbush, FEMA, "Rex [19]84"
"PROMIS was in use at a 6,100-square-foot command center built on the sixth floor of the Justice Department. Oliver North had a similar, but smaller, White House operations room that was connected by computer link to the DOJ's command center. "Using the computers in his command center, North tracked known dissidents and potential troublemakers within the United States as part of "REX '84," a domestic emergency preparedness program, commissioned under Reagan's Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), according to sources and published reports. "Using PROMIS, sources point out, North could have compiled a database of everyone who had ever been surveilled for political dissent, for example, or anyone who had ever refused to pay their taxes. Compared to PROMIS, Richard Nixon's enemies list or Sen. Joe McCarthy's blacklist look downright crude. "This operation was so sensitive that when Rep. Jack Brooks asked North about it during the Iran-Contra hearings, the hearing was immediately suspended pending a secret conference. When the hearings were reconvened, the whole subject of North's FEMA activities was excluded from further discussion." - The INSLAW Octopus By Richard L. Fricker Wired magazine, Mar 1993 The House Judiciary Committee lists these crimes as among the possible violations perpetrated by "high-level Justice officials and private individuals": >> Conspiracy to commit an offense >> Fraud >> Wire fraud >> Obstruction of proceedings before departments, agencies and committees >> Tampering with a witness >> Retaliation against a witness >> Perjury >> Interference with commerce by threats or violence >> Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) violations >> Transportation of stolen goods, securities, moneys >> Receiving stolen goods SIDEBARS to the Inslaw Article Earl W. Brian - The Consumate Insider Dr. Earl W. Brian has made quite a career of riding Reagan and Meese's coattails. After a stint in Vietnam, where he worked as a combat physician in the unit that supplied air support for Operation Phoenix, Brian returned to California with a chest full of ribbons and a waiting job - as Secretary of Health - with then-Governor Reagan's administration. (Operation Phoenix, a well-documented CIA political assassination program, used computers to track "enemies" in Vietnam.) In 1974, Brian resigned his cabinet post with Governor Reagan to run for the Senate against Alan Cranston. After his defeat, Brian moved into the world of business and soon ran into trouble. His flagship company, Xionics, was cited by the Security and Exchange Commission for issuing press releases designed to boost stock prices with exaggerated or bloated information. The SEC also accused Xionics of illegally paying "commissions" to brokers, according to SEC documents. At the close of the Reagan governorship, Brian was involved in a public scandal having to do with - surprise - stolen computer tapes. The tapes, which contained records of 70,000 state welfare files, were eventually returned - Brian claimed he had a right to them under a contract signed in the last hours of the administration. (Brian said he just wanted to develop a better way of doing welfare business.) In 1980, Brian formed Biotech Capital Corp., a venture capital firm designed to invest in biological and medical companies. Ultimately, Brian has invested in and owned several companies, including FNN (Financial News Network) and UPI, both of which ended up in dire financial straits. Ursula Meese, who like her husband knew Brian from the Reagan cabinet, was an early investor in Biotech, using $15,000 (borrowed from Edwin Thomas, a Meese aide in the White House and another Reaganite from California) to purchase 2,000 shares on behalf of the Meese's two children, according to information made public during Meese's confirmation hearings for Attorney General. It is those Reagan-Meese connections that continue to drag Brian into the Inslaw affair. For why would Brian, of all people, be the recipient of stolen PROMIS? PROMIS, after all, was a major part in government automation contracts estimated at $3 billion, according to Inslaw President Bill Hamilton. That's quite a political plum. One possibility is Ed and Ursula Meese's financial connections to Brian. Another is a payoff for Brian's role in the October Surprise Even if he manages to evade the Inslaw allegations, Brian may still be in hot water. As of this writing, Financial News Network's financial dealings were under investigation by a Los Angeles Grand Jury, according to sources who have testified before it. - RLF What A Surprise! Earl W. Brian says he wasn't in Paris in October 1980, but investors were told a different story As Inslaw President Bill Hamilton moved his company from non-profit status to the private sector in 1980, Ronald Reagan was running for President, negotiati
[CTRL] (3/4) InfoWar -- PROMIS, Vince Foster, Web Hubbell, Hillary Clinton
-Caveat Lector- VINCE FOSTER'S FREQUENT TRAVELS Editorial Investigative reporter Evans Ambrose-Pritchard of the London Telegraph has obtained information on the travel records of White House aide Vince Foster, who was found dead in Fort Marcy Park in 1993. The travel records show, to the surprise of everybody including Foster's family, that he had frequent travels to Switzerland. The last travel was scheduled to take place after the date Foster was found dead. What did Foster do in Switzerland that was so secret that he could not even tell his wife about it? Nobody knows for sure, but we have some pretty good indications from the work that Foster was involved in right up to his death. As Deputy White House Counsel, Foster worked in the office of Bernard Nussbaum, who was fired when his attempts to block the Whitewater investigation became public. In that office, Foster was involved in every scandal that this gruesome administration was involved in during its first year: Travelgate, Waco, Whitewater, Inslaw, in addition to those that have yet to become public. Jerry Seper of the Washington Times has obtained FBI interview transcripts of Foster's wife in which she claims that Foster was "horrified" over what had happened in Waco. But earlier released testimony reveals that Foster had more on his mind. He was seeking a psychiatrist that would not reveal top secret information. A psychiatrist told the FBI that he was contacted four days before the death of Vince Foster by his sister, Sheila Anthony, who worked in the Justice Department. Anthony explained that Foster was working on "Top Secret" issues at the White House and "that his depression was directly related to highly sensitive and confidential matters" One of those top secret affairs might have been the Inslaw scandal. Inslaw was a software company that developed management software, PROMIS, that could be used as a case management system and could be used to track international banking funds. PROMIS was stolen by the Justice Department and distributed to other agencies without permission from Inslaw. With the help of the highly respected lawyer, former Attorney General Elliot Richardson, Inslaw sued the Justice Department, but received no fair treatment in the courts. Congress started to look into the issue. The Justice Department appointed Nicholas Bua to look into the allegations by Inslaw, but he found no merit to the charges of theft by the Justice Department. Inslaw considered the Bua report an internal Justice Department whitewash, and submitted a 90-page rebuttal to the Bua report. The Bua rebuttal said that Inslaw had 11 people who would swear under oath that the company's software had been stolen by the Justice Department - if an investigation was done by someone outside of the Justice Department. This is where Vince Foster enters the picture. The Bua rebuttal was given to Associate Attorney General Webster Hubbell on July 12, 1993. According to John Crudele of the New York Post, Hubbell and Foster owned a small amount of stock in the Arkansas company Systematics that was also illegally selling the software. And both Hubbell and Foster had done lawyering for Systematics. Did the Bua rebuttal have anything to do with Foster's death? Foster would not have been the first person in the Inslaw scandal to die. On August 10, 1991, just as he was about to receive information linking Iran-Contra to the Inslaw scandal, investigative reporter Danny Casolaro was found with his wrists slit in the bathtub of a hotel room in West Virginia. Were Foster's frequent travels to Switzerland (he had 500,000 miles with one airline company alone!) linked to Inslaw and Mena, i.e. international money laundering of drug money entering Arkansas? A brief review of the investigation of the death of Vince Foster reveals that indeed there seem to be powerful forces blocking a full disclosure of the circumstances surrounding his death: (1) Foster's office was searched and files removed just a few hours after his body was found. After Rodriguez started an aggressive interrogation of Park Police officers who conducted the initial investigation, he resigned, allegedly because his investigation was thwarted by superiors. The only remaining hope for full disclosure appears to be full and unlimited hearings by the Senate Special Whitewater Committee, which has scheduled hearings for June or July. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright f
[CTRL] Paranoid Talk Show Host Hides From Art Bell Fans In Montana Bunker
-Caveat Lector- Paranoid Talk Show Host Hides From Art Bell Fans In Montana Bunker Pigdog Journal (www.pigdog.org) Jabber Streams 1999-06-17 04:13:32 by El Snatcher In the fine tradition of the Unibomber and the Montana Freemen, "reverse speech" expert and talk show host, David Oates, has retreated to a Montana compound in fear for his life. -more- http://www.pigdog.org/auto/jabber_streams_Paranoid_Talk_Show_Host_Hides_From_Art_Bell_Fans_In_Montana_Bunker.html -- .^^. "I don't like the feel of ! .\/. ! [the sun] on my skin." (. oo .)--Christopher Walken `{""}' DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Socialized medicine: Cuba
-Caveat Lector- "Damian B. Cooper" wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > At 07:58 AM 6/16/99 -0700, nurev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > > >Maryland health officials who toured Cuban health facilities last week > >say the country has infant mortality, immunization and life expectancy > >rates far better than Baltimore's, despite the country's waning > >resources. Baltimore Health Commissioner Dr. Peter Beilenson, who > >organized the trip in conjunction with the Baltimore Orioles' baseball > >games against the Cuban national team, said, "For a country that's > >basically quite poor, their health statistics are tremendous. And they > >do it with a tiny percentage of the resources we have." > > Duh? Who creates those "tremendous statistics" that show how > wonderful the Cuban health system is? > > Might it be... the Cuban government. > > I would say that Dr. Beilenson just fell off the turnip wagon. > > DBC What do you care if Cuba has a good health care system for it's citizens? You are not paying for it. Why try so hard to demean it? You come off silly trying. Cuba's system works for all of its citizens, and your country's system only works for citizens with money. Almost half the population has no health care, or insufficient health care. In a 7 trillion dollar economy. Joshua2 DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Revising Capitalism/ rebuttal.
-Caveat Lector- SCIO-LTD wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > - Original Message - > From: nurev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, June 11, 1999 3:20 AM > Subject: Re: [CTRL] Revising Capitalism/ rebuttal. > > > -Caveat Lector- > > > > SCIO-LTD wrote: snip> > > I don't think I care to dispense with my value judgments, and there > > was > > nothing puerile about pointing out your self serving statements. > > Everything you say is purile, you have less sense than I previous supposed, > as you have so aptly shown. > >snip> > > We are saying the same thing. Greedy GE and greedy Westinghouse > > compete to > > sell you a refrigerator by offering you a lower price. This is the " > > Magical > > Mystical Market " at work. This of course is bullshit, since the > > companies > > are part of an oligopoly and often collude to fix prices. > some are some aren't. At the top genius. In almost every field and industry, 80% of the market is in the hands of only three, four, or five companies. No one cares about the little piglets until they are worth being bought out. > > > > But Capitalists keep spouting on and on about " invisible hands " and > > other > > superstitious crap. > agreeded > > snip> > > The Pope has finally started to gently chastise capitalism now that he > > is no > > longer afraid of being put out of the lucrative god business by the > > Commies. > > He must after all. Jesus did say that it's easier for a camel to hump > > a > > Dachshund, than for a rich man to get to heaven. > > No He didn't, (that's biblical bullshit, your's for that matter for > misquoting the Word, what an idiot you are, He said it is easier for a camel > to go through the eye of the needle than for a rich man to enter into the > kindom of heaven. No, you are very mistaken. You must be using one of those Christian bibles translated into some European language. In the original Aramaic ( which I read )Jeshua states very unambiguously - " It is easier for a camel to hump a Dachshund, than for a rich man to get to heaven." Whereby the diciples chant in response " urrg ahrg, urrg ahrg, unh unh unh." -- Joshua2: Original Aramaic ver. snip> > > Oh please. Sell it somewhere else. This is a list which is more than > > familiar > > with the machinations of businessmen. Go to the archives and save the > > bullshit. > dismissive aren't we, especially since again you haven't a clue about what > your talking about. > And yes I've been to archives, it really doesn't say much about businessmen, > fool. snip> > > > it is only is when the rights of others are > > > violated in its acquisition. > > > > Now you've got it. If one can get rich from one's own labor, then one > > deserves > > all that he worked for. If one gets rich off of someone else's labor, > > that is > > theft. There is not enough time in a lifetime to accumulate fortunes > > based on > > one's own work. > Wrong, but you really won't know that you're not wealthy. = These are the rules of big business. Get a monopoly; let society work for you; and remember that the best of all business is politics." -- Confessions of a Monopolist by Frederick C. Howe == > > > Wealth is good and desirable. > > > > Even that is a wrong assumption. Although I'm sure you need to believe > > otherwise. Wealth in society behaves like a dense star in space. It > > distorts > > EVERYTHING towards itself. This is why the rich get richer, wealth > > concentrates > > into the hands of the very few, the have nots become a destabilizing > > force, and civilizations collapse. > Dense star in space, are you off your fucking rocker, heh, heh, heh(there > coming to take me away ha ha), Dude the only thing that is distorted is you > views. civilizations collapse for a variety of reasons. Yes that's right. A variety of reasons. Historian Arnold Toynbee studied 21 past civilizations, looking for common factors in their demise. The two most important ones were the EXTREME CONCENTRATION OF WEALTH, and inflexibility in the face of changing conditions within and around them. snip> > > > The fact that we can communicate our ideas is an advance. > > > > Yes it's an advance. So what. Beating drums was also an advance. > > Television > > was an advance with enormous potential. Look what capitalist > > innovators did > > to the best damn learning tool ever invented to date. If businesses > > are > > permitted to control and dominate the NET, then its potential will be > > pissed > > away too. > beating drums an advance? Of course it was an advance. A great technological advance in long distance communication. > You're really going out of your way to prove your > ignorance, so far as the net it's too late. Unfortunately, you are right. But it doesn't need to remain
Re: [CTRL] class act
-Caveat Lector- William Hugh Tunstall wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > -- Forwarded message - > Citation: The Nation April 8 1996, v262, n14, p3(1) > Title: Class act.(comments by Chairman and Chief Executive >Officer Robert Eaton of Chrysler Corp.)(Editorial) > > COPYRIGHT The Nation Company Inc. 1996 > Comes now Robert Eaton, chairman and C.E.O. of Chrysler, to decry the > "demonization of corporate America" before an appreciative bevy of execs at > the Detroit Economic Club. "Empty-headed, tub-thumping populism," complains > Eaton, has declared "open season" on virtuous C.E.O.s. He is particularly > aggrieved at stories on corporate downsizing in Newsweek, Business Week and > The New York Times. His mother used to be proud that her son was a "big shot." > Now she tells friends her son has a "front office job." "Demagogues," warned > Eaton, are herding us "down the path to class warfare." Class warfare is one of the few things the elites are truly afraid of. CEO's would like to believe that they have successfully brainrinsed the public into thinking that they, the public, could also get some privileges like the wealthy class does. This works on Libertarians, Objectivists, Yuppies, and the desperately greedy. But alas, most people have grudgingly concluded that they will not achieve great wealth and power due to social, and personal reasons. It is the increase in the numbers of these people who are becoming receptive to the idea of class war. The elites can not win a class war. They know history. EAT THE RICH Joshua2 > Really? For more than twenty years, the overclass that Eaton represents has > waged unrelenting class war on working people. Workers, wages have fallen in > recessions and in recoveries. Productivity has gone up, profits are at record > heights, but wages continue to fall. Profitable companies continue to lay > offworkers. Middle-aged workers are now twice as likely to be permanently > separated from an employer than they were two decades ago. Too often, the > result is not bruised feelings at the ski chalet, but dashed hopes, lost homes > and broken families. > Eaton made $6.2 million in 1994. Twenty years ago, C.E.O.s at large > companies were paid about 35 times the pay of the average U.S. worker. Today, > that ratio has exploded to 187 times as much. In Germany and Japan the > comparable ratio is 21 and 16, respectively. No other industrialized nation > has witnessed either the decline of wages suffered by America's working people > or the soaring of its executives, pay. No other country suffers the extreme > inequality now found in the United States. That, Mr. Eaton, is class warfare. > Americans, Eaton allows, do have "rational fears about holding on to a good > job if they have one, and getting one if they don,t," but don,t blame > C.E.O.s-rapacious shareholders make us do it. Shareholding, Eaton notes, is > increasingly dominated by institutional investors--mutual funds and pension > funds that demand short-term returns. In this "equalitarian" securities > market, Eaton reassured his audience, the new ownership of corporate America > is "most of America," which should "burst the bluster of the > redistribution-of-wealth crowd." Well, not exactly. Federal Reserve data show > that in 1989 the top 10 percent of Americans controlled 80 percent of the > financial assets of the country. Since then stocks have nearly doubled in > value and made the top 10 percenters seriously rich. > Eaton argues that the business of business is to make money. Profitable > companies like Chrysler compete, hire and pay workers and serve their > communities. But Chrysler survives today because the government--industrial > policy]--bailed it out when it was facing bankruptcy. Reagan's quotas on > Japanese auto imports--protectionism]--allowed the auto industry to revive. > Chrysler's workers have decent pay, pensions, health care and profit-sharing > plans not because of Eaton's benevolence but because they are represented by > the United Auto Workers--unions]--which exacted these benefits. If the 89 > percent of the private work force that is not organized had similar union > representation, then declining wages in the midst of rising productivity would > be less of an issue. And that, Mr. Eaton, is class warfare. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holo
[CTRL] Pilots admit targetting civillians.
-Caveat Lector- Spanish Fighter Pilots Admit NATO Purposely Attacks Civilian Targets June 14, 1999 Articulo 20 (Spain-weekly) By Jose Luis Morales (?) The pilots of Spanish planes who participated in bombing raids against Yugoslavia do not feel like "supermen" nor masters of aerospace. Quite the contrary, they say that our forces play to the tune of music played by the North Americans, and accuse NATO of having honoured with medals the bombing of civilian targets, what they otherwise name "collateral damages". Captain Adolfo Luis Martin de la Hoz, who returned to Spain at the end of May after having participated in the bombings from the beginning, an "authentic expert for the dreadful F-18", the war plane most often used in the war strategy of "scorched land" in the Balkans, is very categoric: "First of all, I want to make it clear that the majority, I say the majority, of my colleagues, even if not all, are against the war in general and against this war of barbarity in particular." Martin de la Hoz says that he and his colleagues "are burnt out". "A few days ago, there appeared in the papers certain statements of Commander Maches Michavilla, who is now in the air base at Aviano with the pilots who replaced us, in which he said that our main helper in the air was mental and physical health. But I tell you that our worst enemies are our own authorities, the Defence Minister and all his team, the members of the Government, who know nothing about war and go along with it without informing themselves about anything and, what is gravest, who are guilty of lying to the Spanish people through the papers, radio and television, foreign correspondents and press agencies." The suspicions that NATO's repeated bombings of civilian victims and non-military targets are not the result of war "errors", are confirmed by Captain Martin de la Hoz: "Several times our colonel protested to NATO chiefs as to why they select targets which are not military targets. They threw him out with curses, saying that we should know that the North Americans would lodge a complaint to the Spanish Army, once through Brussels and again to the Defence Minister. But there is more, and I want to tell it to the whole world: once there was a coded order from the North American military that we should drop anti-personnel bombs over the localities of Prishtine (Pristina) and Nish (Nis). The colonel refused it altogether and, a couple of days later, the transfer order came. But what I say now is nothing compared to what I shall have to say when the time comes." The Spanish military denounces that "the Spanish Government not only does not try to inform themselves, but that they also accept the false reports that are edited for them in Aviano, where there is a sort of military press cabinet in the hands of North American generals and functionaries. Ever since we arrived in Italy - the captain goes on - there is no end to humiliations and insults. The only order-givers are the North American generals, and no one else. We are zeroes, just as our replacements are going to be. But there is still more to that. Here, they say that several operations were directed by Spanish commanders and pilots. Lies over lies. All the missions that we flew, every single one, were planned by high U.S. military authorities. Even more, they were all planned in detail, including attacking planes, targets and type of ammunition that we have to drop. We never directed anything, and our missions were limited to flying over the borders of Macedonia, Albania, Bosnia and Slovakia (Slovenia?)." Government's lies None of the pilots presently stationed at Aviano, who replaced those who went to the Italian base shortly before the start of war, last March 23, were there with a clear conscience, says the Spanish military. "It is being written to saturation that the disciplined and patriotic Spanish pilots - according to Minister Eduardo Serra - are concentrating on the complexity of their war missions". But we read so many discrepancies, so many lies, that we agreed to not read a single newspaper until we return. Our anger is enormous. The President of the government, the Minister of Foreign Affairs and the Defence Minister are lying brazenly each time they talk about the war. Some of us are of another opinion and believe that they do not inform themselves, because the North Americans - the White House, the Pentagon, the CIA, the Embassy or military information service, whoever, do not inform them about anything. How should they inform themselves if our own Javier Solana has not informed himself since the war broke out? Solana is a puppet who has been put there by the Yanquis to do what they tell him he must do. And so he does, standing straight befo
[CTRL] Postscript: InfoWar -- Echelon/PROMIS and Y2K
-Caveat Lector- You say you have enough things to be paranoid about? Hey, I'll give you one more. The Y2K Problem, real or manufactured, is the IDEAL medium for realizing one of the greatest absolute-power fantasies of Orwellian oligarchs (those rich fat old white guys sipping martinis at the CFR, Bilderbergers, Trilateral Commission, IMF, etc.). Just consider this scenario (I won't stick my neck out so far as to call it a "prediction") ... On or about December 31, 1999, as we're all more or less expecting by now, in the US and around the world, important information management systems will falter and fail -- but when those systems are up and running again, SOME information contained in all their databases will NOT be exactly the same as before. Certain bits of data will have disappeared, becoming NON-information. Other bits of data will have appeared "out of nowhere," inserted unobstrusively, and these will afterward be accepted and defended as genuine, valid "information." Discrepancies will be noted by some, but of course, since individually produced "paper records" can always be falsified more easily than the (NB) COHERENTLY CROSS-REFERRABLE information stored in a variety of different "unconnected" databases, it will be argued that anyone claiming some computerized records have actually been DELETED or CHANGED are simply conspiracy-minded lunatics, "paranoid." But they'll be RIGHT ... Imagine the POSSIBILITIES, given the potentials of ECHELON, and PROMIS, with its "trapdoor" and e-bugging microchip, plus an army of "hackers" marshalled under the auspices of NSA and the CIA and/or the 'Octopus.' (Notice that the government is giving INORDINATE attention to finding and corralling "hackers," while simultaneously studying the art of "hacking" PROACTIVELY, under the guise of "national defense.") Remember what happened to Sandra Bullock's character in the movie THE NET? Now, imagine it happening in real life, but on a COLLECTIVE scale, systematically .. And what better COVER for such an event than "Y2K," a temporary "shutdown"? DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Thursday #1
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990617a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : Insufficient mood-altering drugs were consumed to produce this bulletin. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Virtual L.A.: A traffic-less trip - A virtual city could be valuable for police and firefighters, quickly mapping the best route to an emergency: http://cnn.com/TECH/ptech/9906/13/virtual.la/index.html : Is Los Angeles or any other major city better visited in person or in VR? For realism, should a sim include virtual smog, virtual drive-by shootings, virtual street people, virtual random police actions, virtual earthquakes? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Researchers, mediums study communication with the dead. (U-WIRE) TUCSON, AZ. A team of U.Arizona scientists & students conducted a unique experiment, probing the possibility of an afterlife by studying how mediums commune with the dead. Researchers at the U.Az. Human Energy Systems Lab invited a panel of mediums to meet 10 people whose loved ones recently died. The mediums tried to receive info from the deceased without prior knowledge of them and while under observation. http://news.excite.com/news/uw/990616/odd-85 : Do you want to talk to your deceased relatives? Would you prefer they stay quiet? Can you squeeze any secrets out of them? Do you trust mediums? Why? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # NEW BIOTECH CANCER WEAPON NEEDS KICK-START. Imagine if we could send an agent shooting through the bloodstream to find cancer cells and target them for destruction, leaving healthy tissue intact. That is an overly simplified explanation of an exciting new biotech approach to fighting cancer: www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=13341 # Surgery continues into robot age. (BBC) A robot is being used to help surgeons perform tricky heart bypasses more accurately - just the latest in a series of innovations bringing such technology into the operating theatre. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_37/370836.stm : Would you rather be operated on by nano-robots, macro-robots, humans, ETs, teams of the above? Does your HMO or health insurer pay for robotic surgery? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # NOT THE REAL THING: THE NOCEBO EFFECT IN EUROPE. The "nocebo" effect can be seen in a recent panic about Coca-Cola products in Europe. No real health problems have been found, yet several countries have restricted the sale of the products after some teenagers got sick. I think once they heard about the symptoms, they started thinking they were ill - the "nocebo" effect in action. http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=13346 # ASPIRIN-LIKE DRUGS ARE 15TH LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH IN U.S. Aspirin and related drugs kill almost as many people every year as AIDS and are resp- onsible for a "silent epidemic." Ulcers caused by such drugs kill about 16,500 people in the United States each year. Includes ibuprofen, aspirin and competitors: http://cnn.com/HEALTH/9906/16/health.aspirin.reut/ : Would you rather be sickened/offed by a placebo, nocebo, painkiller, pain, dread, hired assassin, careless medico, gov't agent, deity, demon, elf, me? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # GM crops a 'risk' to organic plants. (BBC) There is a "real risk" that GM crops can contaminate organic crops, according to UK govt backed research. See http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_371000/371353.stm # Organic pesticide may aid GM crops. (BBC) A new, super-deadly pesticide used by organic farmers may be of great use in the genetic modification of crops. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_37/370682.stm : Would you like to see all lifeforms on Earth contaminated by genetic mods? Would evolution accelerate? Would new, stronger, smarter entities emerge? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Country To Scrap Booze-Free "Holy Hour". DUBLIN (Reuters) Ireland, better known for alcoholism than abstinence, looks ready to scrap its traditionally dry "Holy Hour" with the announcement of a gov't-backed Intoxicating Liquor Bill. The bill scraps Sunday afternoon closing, permits extended Saturday night drinking hours and allow once-off all-night opening for New Year's Eve to mark the year 2000. http://news.excite.com/news/r/990617/07/odd-alcohol : Does your belief system prescribe or proscribe intoxication? Are certain chemicals specified? Are your chemical-usage doctrines contradictory? Fun? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # First cloned human embryo revealed. (BBC) Details of 1st human embryo to be cloned are released - made using a cell from a man's leg and a cow's egg. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_371000/371378.stm # Chimps are cultured creatures. (BBC) Chimpanzees are shown for the first time to have a culture as rich & as varied as humans. I'll be a monkey's uncle: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/e
Re: [CTRL] Bush's genealogical chart (from 350 BC)
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Das GOAT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > from: http://www.totse.com/files/FA020/histchr2.htm > >(15 other charts omitted from this excerpt - > > see the footnote, below, for a summary) > > What a crock. This "genealogy" combines a phony Piso/Herodian link > (courtesy of "Reuchlin"'s anti-Christian argument) with a totally > unsupportable Claudian-Merovingian link (courtesy of PoS propagandists) > and then weaves in elements from Settipani's speculative and highly > debatable B.C. genealogy. Two frauds + a wild guess. > Nearer to home, if there IS a Roosevelt-Bush link, I'd like to see any > evidence for it. > Posted to any genealogy newsgroup, this would raise gales of disdainful > laughter. While this charting is bogus, there's a germ of truth: all humans are related to all other humans, if you go back far enough. Mathematically, tracing back 'n' generations, you have '2^n' ancestors. Let's say that the total number of human beings who've ever lived is roughly 10 billion [1^10], and that one generation equals 20 years. Punch the calculator and you'll see that 2^33= 0.86^10 and 2^34= 1.72^10 -- thus, somewhere between 33 and 34 generations (660-680 years) back, you've most likely shared an ancestor with every other human on the planet. This math obviously breaks down when we consider population isolates, small groups that have had NO contact with other humans for a longer period. But in general, especially with mainstream Eurasian populations, we can safely say that EVERYONE who reproduced over 1000 years ago is an ancestor of yours, and EVERYONE now alive is your cousin. Now, if you're the kind of guy who goes to family reunions to pick up chicks, this ain't no big thang, eh? DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] WHY WHITES ARE LEADERLESS [media lords] get educated b4 it's too late!
-Caveat Lector- WHY WHITES ARE LEADERLESS In 1950 no normal white American could have seen the storm clouds that were just over the horizon. They lived in a world that was as close to perfect as any society has ever been. The streets of most cities and towns in the US were fairly safe. Women could walk their streets from one place to another, even at night, and feel quite safe. Most people left their keys in the ignitions of their cars when they were not driving. Many houses never had a locked front door. Our kids went to schools that were second to none in the world, and the most hazardous things which would be flying around in those schools were spitballs. The population was 90% white and so were the movies and television shows. Hitchhikers found it easy and fairly safe to travel, and drivers felt comfortable picking them up because there was very little likelihood of the hitchhiker being violent. Americans gave more per capita charity dollars than any other people on earth. No one starved in the US unless they chose to. There were no "Will Work For Food" signs on the street corners with some slug attached to it who flips you off if you actually offer him work. Financially most Americans were the envy of the rest of the world. The number of interracial crimes were very small compared with today. In fact, one would have to look very long and hard to find even one area where white Americans were worse off than they are today! Things looked rosy, for as far as anyone could see into the future. Medicine was improving almost daily. Cars were getting fancier and housework was getting easier as invention after invention was brought out, or improved for that task. There was no way that the chaos that was to be unleashed upon white America could have been predicted, or if predicted, believed in 1950. Imagine where we would be if the liberal insanity had not set in. What if there never had been integration? What if feminism had not destroyed the American family? What if we had not borrowed 3 trillion dollars to throw away on welfare? What if we had spent our money on space exploration and colonization instead of using it to destroy our inner cities? What if we had continued following the procedure which created our superb interstate highway system, i.e. to spend highway money on our highways instead of dysfunctional social programs? Think of the near utopia of having great schools, exceptional infrastructure, a nearly all white nation, low crime, safe and clean neighborhoods, and a people who would kill rather than stand and watch while their flag was being burned. What if? But alas, instead we must face the massive decay of our society. We must face the reality of rot overcoming the once near-utopia, to where today our schools have metal detectors and more drugs than a pharmacy, and illiterate kids show up with guns to shoot their classmates. Thanks to liberalism we have highways that are in disrepair, chuck-holed, and far less dependable than they once were. Our rail system is a joke compared with what it should be. The percentage of whites has decreased from nine tenths, to less than three quarters and is now just over two thirds of the population. We have a president which celebrates in glee at the thought that we whites will be less than half of the population in just a few short decades. As the number of nonwhites in our country has increased, the crime rate has gone up right along with it. Drive-by shootings are commonplace in many nonwhite neighborhoods. Far from the days when the killing of a "mere" 7 men was called the "St. Valentine's Day Massacre," today we have hundreds of murders every week in our country. Our "Supreme Court" has ruled that burning the flag is not an act but rather "speech" while real speech is under attack by groups like the ADL. If that were not bad enough, today the clouds on the horizon are even more menacing than the hurricane which is upon us this very minute! We are destined to see our land overwhelmed with the nonwhite hordes, which will completely wash away the greatness of this land. The near utopia which was so bright in 1950, will be no more than a dying memory in the minds of the members of the dying white race. That is our future. That is what we and our children, if we have any, have to look forward to. Do you have that picture clear in your mind? Do you see your house and your family being attacked by nonwhite gang members in another few decades? You will be older then. Perhaps you will no longer be living, but if you are, you will not be able to defend yourself as well as today. An old man being beaten by thugs who hate your whiteness. This is your future as envisioned by the Media Lords and your president. I received an email today which asked, "Where are the Conservative leaders? What are people like Trent Lott, Bob Barr and others, doing?" Have you wondered the same thin
Re: [CTRL] 666 ? the Mark of the Beast or just another wrong numb er?
-Caveat Lector- Hello all! First time caller here... This is perhaps Prophecy 101 to some, but if you put the American States (which is now under jewish control in three main areas- banking, industry and goverment [tv and media functioning as propaganda ministry under the government] along with the European Union, then you have the Beast rising out of the seas [people of the world] and the False Prophet under the guise of the false Roman Catholic Church under John Paul II's leadership, then you have somewhat of a fulfillment of the prophecies. Tony Blair and his ilk, including Clinton, are puppets. I think I'd take Tony any day over ole' country boy, Clinton. Yes, Catholics out here [those who know] know that this 'Church' under JPII is false, and therefore Antichrist. Protestants can't quite understand it because they have been out of the 'fold' so to speak and can't see the forest for the trees. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Andrew Hennessey Sent: Monday, June 14, 1999 6:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] 666 ? the Mark of the Beast or just another wrong numb er? -Caveat Lector- >The Beast is not an individual, it is a political/military/economic system. > The Anti-Christ rises up and takes control of the Beast with the help of >the False Prophet, who leads a world-wide pagan/apostatic Christian >religious system. >The Anti-Christ will be possessed by Satan himself, who's goal has always >been to "be like the Most High" and to be worshipped by all. well thats Tony Blair then ... his ears and eyes have changed shape since the general election a last year - his pre-election photos show him having normal shaped eyes: after the election, he is seen with his right eye substantially more open and rounded. His ears stick out more now for some reason. Before the election Tory posters portrayed Blair as a demon with red eyes and I know that some CIA field operative [but this is another story :)] decribed the UK as being 666 egyptian royal miles in length. Andrew Hennessey DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] UKs imminent slaughter ??
-Caveat Lector- No way! you are right-on Andrew, do not retract or second guess yourself!! I like the way you think and see things, say, are you a crypto-jew?! Everyone is!! I think, therefore I'm jewish... [can we say humor(?)] If nothing stops them, this IS the natural way for things to progress! The False Prophet does play an integral part in ushering in the NWO. hey, NWO = NOW. what is next? WHO? I'm sure that a ministry will surface with these letters, some sort of Ministry Office building complex called the World Homeless Organization, a sorting place for relocating homeless people and those without adequate retirement money. WHO centers. WHOnder where they'll go? -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Andrew Hennessey Sent: Monday, June 14, 1999 4:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] UKs imminent slaughter ?? -Caveat Lector- > >Just a LITTLE paranoid there >The catholic church is mega-wealthy, let 'em build a new soup kitchen... > >Bill yeah, maybe you're right Andrew > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] "Sit down and shut up, and be glad that your free."
-Caveat Lector- 'Bloodless battles are raging, in the arena of our minds, crimes of deceit perpetrating, forcefeeding poisonous lies. Misinformation is a virus, infecting the following herd. The age of control is upon us, caged with ideas, and chained by words. This has been a test, do not adjust your set, believers have a choice, to follow or be lead... In television we're trusting, the power to teach wrong and right, you need not share your oppinion, one will be given to you, sit down and shut up, and wait instructions, you will be told what to do. Please disregard all the vermin, those who speak not the good word, Media Lords will determine, all that is fit to be heard, now we return to our program, already in progress you see, listen and pay close. Sit down and shut up, and be glad that your free.-Believers have a Choice from Faith is in Season' http://www.mourningtheancient.com/master.htm Bard Visit me at: The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm Federal Government defined: a benefit/subsidy protection racket! DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Every UM student/employee and /
or Alumni on earth who does not agree and PUBLICLY CONFESS that MARK TOWNLEY, son of DR. CHARLES ORLEFF TOWNLEY of Port Huron, Michigan, shot and killed DR. MARTIN L. KING, together with all his/her friends/family DESERVES the DEATH PENALTY and to BURN IN THE FIRES OF HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY! God Damn AMERICA!! God Damn MICHIGAN God Damn PORT HURON, MICHIGAN!! God Damn the UNIVERSITY of MICHIGAN!! God Damn the UNITED NATIONS!!! God Damn every JEW/CHRISTIAN/MUSLIM and/or FREEMASON ON EARTH Every Person on Earth who 'Worships God' deserves the SAME Because 'GOD' does not instantly strike dead every human being who tells any LIE as soon as he tells that LIE! God Damn Your Souls For ALL ETERNITY!!!
[CTRL] Fw: Food for thought
-Caveat Lector- > The Balkanization of America > > June 16, 1999 > > > Whoever it was who first said, "Tell a lie loud enough and long enough and > people will believe it" sure had it right. For at least the last decade we > have been constantly told, "America's strength is in its diversity." We > have heard that lie for so long we have come to believe it. Believing it > will be our undoing. > > America's strength is not in diversity, but in unity. We are not called The > Diverse States of America, but the United States of America. The things > that used to unite us have been uprooted, however. In the name of > multiculturalism the glue that held us together is cracking. The result > will be a fractured America. It has already begun. > > According to informed estimates, by the year 2025 there will be at least 12 > states with less than 60 percent Caucasian population while other states > will have in excess of 85 percent. In cities like Las Vegas, Los Angeles > and others the great divide is already taking shape. More than 25% of > California's population is now foreign-born. Ten of its cities are so > diverse that no ethnic group comprises a majority. The trend will continue. > > America has always been a nation of immigrants. That is not the problem. > The problem is that now the value system that had united us has been > stripped away. The American heritage is no more. We have lost our identity. > And, a nation without an identity has lost its moorings. We are rudderless, > without direction. > > When our country was young and full of promise, the famous French > philosopher, Alexis de Tocqueville said, " I do not know whether all the > Americans have sincere faith in their religion, for who can search the > human heart? But I am certain that they hold it to be indispensable to the > maintenance of republican institutions. This opinion is not peculiar to a > class of citizens or to a party, but it belongs to the whole nation and to > every rank of society." > > There it is. There is the glue that made us The United States of America. > Our Christian faith and heritage is the cement that united people of > different ethnicity and culture. Past immigrants assimilated themselves > into a common American culture. Our grandparents were free to worship God > in their own way but they understood that faith in God and the Christian > value system were at the heart of this country's existence. All that is > lost to us today. There is no Christian culture in the mainstream of > American society today. The departure of our common heritage is turning our > nation into the western Balkans. > > The December 1994 issue of The Marine Corps Gazette carried a commentary by > William Lind, Major John Schmitt, USMCR, and Col. Gary Wilson, USMCR. The > article is titled, "Fourth Generation Warfare: Another Look." > > In their commentary they say: > > "In the United States of America, our traditional, Western, Judeo-Christian > culture is collapsing. It is not collapsing because it failed. On the > contrary, it has given us the freest and most prosperous society in human > history. Rather, it is collapsing because we are abandoning it. > > "Starting in the mid-1960's, we have thrown away the values, morals, and > standards that define traditional Western culture. In part, this has been > driven by cultural radicals, people who hate our Judeo-Christian culture. > Dominant in the elite, especially in the universities, the media, and the > entertainment industry? the cultural radicals have successfully pushed an > agenda of moral relativism, militant secularism, and sexual and social > 'liberation.' This agenda has slowly codified into a new ideology, usually > known as 'multiculturalism' or 'political correctness,' that is in essence > Marxism translated from economic in social and cultural terms. > > "This new, cultural Marxism has had remarkable success in discrediting > America's common culture and substituting for it cultural fragmentation > based on ethnic groups, gender, sexual identity, and class. If this trend > continues, Americans will increasingly find they have less in common with > each other as Americans. National identity will weaken. Other, mutually > hostile identities will strengthen until the nation comes apart: region vs. > region, minority vs. minority, and gang vs. gang. When a nation comes apart > at its cultural seams, eventually it turns on itself and fights." > > These men conclude their remarks by warning, "The next real war we fight is > likely to be on American soil." > > I hope and pray that these men are wrong. Without a dramatic reversal of > our current plunge into secularism and multiculturalism, however, I fear > that they aren't. > > Wouldn't it be nice to hear some political leaders call our nation back to > our common heritage? Instead, they brag about our prosperous economy as if > that were the foundation of our survival. It isn't. It took a massacre to > bring prayer back into a scho
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Every UM student/employee and /
-Caveat Lector- Re: Rattlesnake Slang/John Wright: In this letter he wrote, Mr. Wright has committed one crime in the state of Ohio, presuming the law is still on the books Years ago when I was a Clerk of Court in a small town, an arrest order came across my desk (I wore 5 hats almost)whereby the officer wanted to arrest a man for calling him "Chicken Shit" cop - and this man was a local insurance broker who had only received a $2.00 parking ticket, on which he wrote the message, signed his name, but refused to pay the $2.00. He had not paid his fine, nor did he come to courtso The case escalated: He now wanted the guy arrested for using profanity..and I thought profanity, that is using God's name in vainhow is "Chicken Shit Cop" profanity - does this Officer believe he has attained a God like status? Well, this was in 1960and my boss, an attorney during the daytime called to see what was newand I told him I had a profanity warrant.he said "pay the two dollars, and I will pay you back"...which I did. But the officer wanted to with a passion, pursue the profanity charge, and of course, the Mayor/Judge refused to permit this to happen. Years later, inbetween tours in the Mayors Office, I pulled my car out of the garage to sell where it had been sitting for 10 years...but the tags expiredsuddenly at my door was an officer with a ticket.he was very flattering saying "are you sure that is your birthdate" - he thought I was so much youngerwell, who could get angry at him. Instead, I called the Police and said I would not pay any fine, I would not come to Court, and they threatened to take my car and tow it awayand it was then, I had my greatest moment.I said "I am going to sit shotgun on my car and you will never take me alive, coppers" Well, that night the City Council President and the husband of another City Council Member, came to my home and pushed m car back into the garageand the newly elected Mayor, paid my ticketand you can be sure the first arrest warrant for not appearing in Court, was mine...my old political enemies saw to that.instead, I was told the Mayor said I will take care of that, and out of his own pocket paid a bond forfeiture.the charge, my license plate was expired sitting in my own driveway. Later that day, though, several people dropped to buy it - and it was not for salehad only been driven a year, but the traffic was just too intolerable and I had been rearended three days straight, just waiting for a light to change. Though I have never even held a gun but once in my life, and would not have one in my home (I have a friendly pit bull, strictly defensive of course).the happiest day of my life was when I said "You;'ll never take me alive coppers"and hung up. I laffed all daynobody took me serious, however. When I read Mr. Wrights letter, and he says "God Damn" over, and over again, now that, is profanity and you know, he could be put in the slammer too, for that one. But why is this man, that upset and disturbed.I hope he does not live in Ohio, because one of these "Chicken Shit" cops might arrest him for using profanity, inasmuch as some of them seem to be playing God in the many roles they play in daily living Now too, how is that for a separtion of Church and State. Mr. Wright, God Loves Americans, well maybe with a few exceptions - and I am waiting for that lightning bolt to hit one of them in the arse. Praise, the Lord. Colleen DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Feds Selling Armor-Piercing Bullets
-Caveat Lector- Feds Selling Armor-Piercing Bullets UPI 16-JUN-99 CHICAGO, June 16 (UPI) _ The United States military is inadvertently selling .50-caliber armor-piercing ammunition to the public, providing at least 100,000 rounds of surplus military supplies in the past year alone. A report by the General Accounting Office contends the Pentagon is selling excess and obsolete stocks of the brass-covered shells for $1 per ton to West Virginia-based Talon Manufacturing Co. The Chicago Tribune obtained a summary of the report, which notes that Talon is supposed to dismantle the shells and sell them for scrap. Instead, some of the shells were reassembled and sold to groups ranging from armies in Brazil and Columbia to civilian weapons dealers. Some of the latter ammunition wound up being sold to gun owners through the Internet. Ammunition also was purchased by federal agents posing as potential buyers of .50-caliber shells who contacted gun dealers across the U.S. ``Fifty-caliber armor-piercing ammunition has little, if any, legitimate sporting or recreational use,'' the report said. Another 35,000 rounds of refurbished ammunition was sold back to the U.S. Army. ``The investigation showed that the U.S. military is indirectly arming civilians with some of the most powerful and destructive ammunition currently available,'' reads the report, which was requested by Reps. Rod Blagojevich, D-Ill., and Henry Waxman, D-Calif. Blagojevich, who in the past has tried to pass laws banning the civilian sale of surplus M-1 rifles and other military weapons, says he hopes the report puts pressure on the Pentagon to crack down on their surplus sales. ``It is my personal view that the purpose of the United States military is to provide for the national security,'' Blagojevich said. ``It is not to augment the use of weapons on the street.'' _- Copyright 1999 by United Press International. All rights reserved. _- = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Every UM student/employee and /
-Caveat Lector- I believe, I believe, I believe that man did shoot Martin Luther King.take me off your list. Colleen Jones.. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] John McCain-Manchurian Candidate?
-Caveat Lector- This from http://www.harvest-trust.org/mccain.htm">www.harvest-trust.com >The Manchurian Candidate I knew Senator John McCain's father when Admiral John S. McCain Jr. was the Commander in Chief of the Pacific (CINCPAC). I sincerely believe that Admiral McCain, if he were alive, would tell you exactly what I am about to tell you. Admiral McCain always put his country first and foremost above all other issues. The fact that Senator John McCain was shot down and captured over North Vietnam does not make him a hero. The goal of any pilot is to not get shot down. The fact that he was a Prisoner of War does not make him a hero. The goal of all military personnel is to not become a POW. The fact that he endured prison, torture, and brainwashing for all that time makes him a survival hero in my humble opinion. I am very happy that he survived and that he was able to return home. However, Senator John McCain was tortured and brainwashed by the communists for over 5 years. Regardless of what you may have been told, or what you may believe, no one, not anyone on this earth can withstand torture and brainwashing without breaking down, giving up information, and permanent damage to the mind... usually to traditional belief systems and thought processes in the areas of religion, philosophy, and politics. By his own admission Senator John McCain, while a POW, traded information for special medical treatment which no other POW received. He made public statements while a POW detrimental to the United States Navy and the United States of America. Many brainwashing victims become fractured personalities programmed to perform some task or tasks in the future. Their programming can be activated by audio, visual, or other types of stimulation. These are facts not conjecture. Anyone can confirm these facts with a little research. Remember, what is known about torture and brainwashing is old information, and it is terrifying. I have no access to what is still kept secret. I have no knowledge of what can be done to a victim using the state of the art techniques which are held in the strictest secrecy by all nations. I doubt that Senator McCain knows the extent of the damage done to his mind... and according to all the studies and facts available concerning torture and brainwashing he could not have anything other than a damaged mind. The movie may have been fiction... but Senator John McCain is without any doubt the real Manchurian Candidate. When I look at his voting record in the United States Senate I do not see a conservative Republican. I see a record that reveals a closet socialist, a proponent of the New World Order. Love him if you must, honor him if you can, respect him in his office, but don't ever vote for him again. It was a mistake to put him in the Senate. It would be a much bigger mistake to put a man who has been tortured and brainwashed for over 5 years in the White House. William Cooper DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] OEN 6/17/99
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ http://www.aci.net/kalliste/">The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe - Today's Lesson From The Rosetta Stone by E. A. Wallis Budge In the ninth year of the reign of Ptolemy V. Epiphanes, who reigned from 203-181 B.C., the priests of all the gods of Upper and Lower Egypt assembled at Memphis, presumably in the great temple of Ptah, the Blacksmith-god of that city, the capital of the northern half of the kingdom. By whose wish or order they assembled it is not known, but the definite object of this great Council of Priests was the commemoration, for the first time, of the accession of Ptolemy V to the throne of Egypt. The King was then only about twelve years of age, but during the six years of his reign under the direction of Agathocles, Sosibus, Tlepolemus, Aristomenes, Scopas and others, the affairs of the kingdom had on the whole prospered. The abuses of the government of Ptolemy IV had been corrected, revolts had been crushed, and important reforms in the administration of the Army and Navy had taken place. The King had spent his royal revenues lavishly on behalf of the State and his people, he had abolished many taxes and substantially reduced others, he had given bounties to every grade in the Army, he had restored law and order in the country, and had restored all the ancient rites and privileges and revenues of the priests, and had shown himself to be pious and a devout worshipper of all the gods of his country. All these facts were universally admitted. One of the first acts of the priests was to celebrate the ancient Set Festival, i.e., the "Festival of the Tail." This Festival was celebrated every thirty years, or after any very great event, or whenever the King wished to obtain a renewal of his life from the gods, and the physical and spiritual power to rule with justice and righteousness, the highly symbolic ceremonies of this Festival being duly performed according to ancient use and wont. This solemn Office having been performed, the Council of Priests proceeded to review the good works which the boy King had performed, and they decided that the services which he had rendered to Egypt and to the clergy and laity were so valuable that additional honours should be paid to him in all the principal temples of the country. They then drafted in Greek a Decree in which the good deeds of the King and the honours which they proposed to pay him were carefully enumerated. They further ordered that a copy of it, together with translations, written both in the modern language and script of Egypt (i.e. in Demotic or, New Egyptian), and in the ancient language and script (i.e. the hieroglyphs or, Old Egyptian) should be engraved upon a tablet of hard stone, and set up in every temple of the first, second and third class in Egypt. This Decree, as found on the Rosetta Stone, is dated on the fourth day of the Greek month Xandikos = the eighteenth day of the second month (Mechis) of the Egyptian season of Per-T = March 27, 196 B.C. = Year 2000 APL Singapore Simulates Y2K Emergency However, Los Angeles survived ABOARD THE APL SINGAPORE - At 4:58 Tuesday morning, in the foggy solitude of San Pedro Bay off the Southern California coast, a two-way radio started squawking in the engine control room of this 64,000-ton cargo ship with an alarming message from the captain: ''Ron, the engine is not responding.'' That same instant, a piercing klaxon and a series of flashing lights alerted Chief Engineer Ron Gerde to the crisis at hand: The Singapore, hauling 1,109 massive steel containers stuffed with everything from tennis shoes made in Malaysia to stereo equipment from Taiwan, had hit a digital iceberg. A Year 2000 computer glitch had crashed a critical electronic system that controls engine thrust, causing the vessel, whose bow-to-stern measurement exceeds the length of three football fields, to head uncontrollably toward the Port of Los Angeles. This time, though, the computer failure was only a simulation. The Singapore's owner, APL Ltd., was staging this emergency at the behest of the U.S. Coast Guard. The drill, the first in a series of port inspections across the United States, illustrates a new focus in Year 2000 mobilization. Many businesses and government agencies are in the home stretch in repairing and testing their computer systems. They have done everything they can to become ''Y2K-compliant.'' But suppose that is not enough? Facing the prospect of computer crashes despite all of their preparation, they are staging elaborate simulations to get ready for the worst. On Tuesday, Mr. Gerde and his staff faced the daunting task of demonstrating that the Singapore, which has computer systems rivaling those of an airplane, could hastily operate the old-fashioned way. They would have to communicate with the captain, standing six decks above on the bridge, with a nonelectric telephone. They would have to descend into the depths of the engine bay a
[CTRL] The Carlyle Group
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.thecarlylegroup.com/ http://www.thecarlylegroup.com/">The Carlyle Group - R. K. Mellon Family In addition to its own unique network of relationships, Carlyle directly benefits from the equally unique network of its minority owner, the Richard King Mellon Family. The R. K. Mellon Family is one of the nation's oldest and most respected investors and allows Carlyle to share in its substantial deal generating capacity. Among the companies which the R. K. Mellon Family helped found are The Mellon Bank, Gulf Oil, Alcoa, and First Boston. Currently the R. K. Mellon Family has extensive investments throughout the U.S. and international markets, as does the Richard King Mellon Foundation. - WASHINGTON, DC HONG KONG LONDON MILAN MOSCOW MUNICH NEW YORK NEWPORT BEACH PARIS RIYADH SEOUL The Carlyle Group is a private global investment firm, based in Washington, D.C., which originates, structures and acts as lead equity investor in management-led buyouts, strategic minority equity investments, equity private placements, consolidations and build-ups, and growth capital financings. Formed in 1987, The Carlyle Group has invested over $2.4 billion of equity in 92 transactions. These transactions have an aggregate acquisition value of over $9.3 billion. The annualized return on these investments is in excess of 32%. The firm currently has more than $3.5 billion of capital under management by separate teams dedicated to management-led buyouts and strategic minority investments, venture capital, real estate and European investment opportunities. The firm conducts its investment activities through focused industry groups which leverage the extensive operating, corporate and governmental experience of its partners. Carlyle's extensive transaction experience and network of global partners is a source of corporate opportunities unparalleled in the private equity investment community. Our goal is a simple one -- to generate extraordinary investment returns, while maintaining our good name and the good name of our partners. Carlyle's industry focus includes the following industries: Aerospace Consumer Products Defense Electronics Environmental Services Healthcare Information Technology Internet Real Estate Telecommunications Carlyle Funds Overview Carlyle Partners Leveraged Capital Fund I, L.P. Carlyle Partners II, L.P. Carlyle Venture Partners, L.P. Carlyle - Real Estate Carlyle - Europe Carlyle - Offset About Carlyle Managing Directors Carlyle Offices Return to Top Home | Recent News | Carlyle Funds | Managing Director Biographies - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Science At Its Best, Security At Its Worst: A Report on Security Problems at the U.S. Department of Energy,"
-Caveat Lector- from: http://jya.com/pfiab-doe.htm http://jya.com/pfiab-doe.htm">PFIAB Report: Science At Its Best, Security At - 15 June 1999. Thanks to the White House Office of the PFIAB (202) 456-2352. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 15:34:33 -0400 Subject: PFIAB RPT See attached file: Report of Presidents Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, "Science At Its Best, Security At Its Worst: A Report on Security Problems at the U.S. Department of Energy," June, 1999: http://jya.com/pfiab-doe.pdf (72 pages; 420K) See attached file: Unclassified Appendix to PFIAB Report: http://jya.com/pfiab-appx.pdf (34 pages; 191K) Or, both the Report and Annex in a Zipped file: http://jya.com/pfiab-doe.zip (432K) [Conversion in progress of PDF to HTML] SCIENCE AT ITS BEST __ SECURITY AT ITS WORST A Report on Security Problems at the U.S. Department of Energy [Presidential Seal] A Special Investigative Panel Presidents Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board JUNE 1999 ABSTRACT On March 18, 1999, President William J. Clinton requested that the Presidents Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board (PFIAB) undertake an inquiry and issue a report on the security threat at the Department of Energys weapons labs and the adequacy of the measures that have been taken to address it. Specifically, the President asked the PFIAB to address the nature of the present counterintelligence security threat, the way in which it has evolved over the last two decades and the steps we have taken to counter it, as well as to recommend any additional steps that may be needed. He also asked the PFIAB to deliver its completed report to the Congress, and to the fullest extent possible consistent with our national security, release an unclassified version to the public. In response, the Honorable Warren B. Rudman, Chairman of PFIAB, appointed board members Ms. Ann Z. Caracristi, Dr. Sidney Drell, and Mr. Stephen Friedman to form the Special Investigative Panel and obtained detailees from several federal agencies (CIA, DOD, FBI) to augment the work of the PFIAB staff. Over the past three months, the panel and staff interviewed more than 100 witnesses, reviewed more than 700 documents encompassing thousands of pages, and conducted onsite research and interviews at five of the Department of Energys national laboratories and plants: Livermore, Los Alamos, Oak Ridge, Pantex, and Sandia. The panel has produced a report and an appendix of supporting documents, both of which are unclassified to the fullest extent possible. A large volume of classified material, which was also reviewed and distilled for this report, has been relegated to a second appendix that is available only to authorized recipients. This report examines: The 20year history of security and counterintelligence issues at the DOE national laboratories, with an emphasis on the five labs that focus on weaponsrelated research; The inherent tension between security concerns and scientific freedom at the labs and its effect on the institutional culture and efficacy of the Department; The growth and evolution of the foreign intelligence threat to the national labs, particularly in connection with the Foreign Visitors Program of the labs; The implementation and effectiveness of Presidential Decision Directive No. 61, the reforms instituted by Secretary of Energy Bill Richardson, and other related initiatives; and, Additional measures that should be taken to improve security and counterintelligence at the labs. PANEL MEMBERS The Honorable Warren B. Rudman, Chairman of the Presidents Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board. Senator Rudman is a partner in the law firm of Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton, and Garrison. From 1980 to 1992, he served in the U.S. Senate, where he was a member of the Select Committee on Intelligence. Previously, he was Attorney General of New Hampshire. Ms. Ann Z. Caracristi, board member. Ms. Caracristi, of Washington, DC, is a former Deputy Director of the National Security Agency, where she served in a variety of senior management positions over a 40year career. She is currently a member of the DCI/Secretary of Defense Joint Security Commission and recently chaired a DCI Task Force on intelligence training. She was a member of the Aspin/Brown Commission on the Roles and Capabilities of the Intelligence Community. Dr. Sidney D. Drell, board member. Dr. Drell, of Stanford, California is an Emeritus Professor of Theoretical Physics and a Senior Fellow a
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #2
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990617b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : No entranced mediums were awakened during the production of this bulletin. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Serbian Orthodox Patriarch To Settle In Kosovo. The head of Serbia's Orthodox Church said he is moving to western Kosovo and appealed to Serbs not to flee the province. Patriarch Pavle made his announcement amid an exodus from Kosovo of Serbs fearing reprisals by ethnic Albanians expelled en masse from the province by Serb security forces. Kosovo's only Serbian Orthodox bishop was among those fleeing for his safety. Out of the frying pan: http://cnn.com/WORLD/europe/9906/16/BC-YUGOSLAVIA-PATRIARCH.reut/ : Does your belief system encourage self-sacrifice, martyrdom? Is Patriarch Pavle angling for sainthood? Should all religious leaders be martyred? When? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Meningitis milestone reached. (BBC) Scientists have completed a DNA map of the deadliest meningitis bacterium, preparing the way for new vaccines. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_371000/371547.stm @ Links - Sanger Centre: http://www.sanger.ac.uk/ @ Meningitis Research Foundation: http://www.meningitis.org.uk/ : Would you rather make a meningitis vaccine, or build a better bacterium? Does DNA mapping of pathogens let you grow stronger, faster, deadlier bugs? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Dusty Jupiter moon gives clues to interplanetary rings. Jupiter's moon Ganymede is covered by thin clouds of fine dust knocked from its surface by interplanetary meteors, scientists with NASA's Galileo spacecraft say. The finding could explain the formation of dust rings throughout the solar system, including some of the more obscure rings around Saturn, as well as dust structures visible around Jupiter and its moons. Dust pervades the solar system: www.cnn.com/TECH/space/9906/16/dust.on.ganymede/index.html : Is interplanetary dust the debris left behind by highly-polluting UFOs; a sign that a deity was too sloppy/lazy to clean up after itself; unhealthy? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ Physics from UFO Data. Research on the UFO phenomenon is proposed in which UFO targets are treated on a par with astronomical objects having no fixed coordinates. Specifically oriented monitoring techniques/strategies invol- ving small telescopes connected to CCD detectors, spectrographs & photon- counting photometers are presented. Expected exposure-times for acquiring a good S/N ratio of the target using all the proposed instruments is also evaluated. Finally, information expected to come from data analysis are presented & discussed in detail. www.ufodatanet.org/report/ufophys_e.htm : Have you ever engaged in rigorous UFO research? Have you ever suppressed such research; disseminated disinformation; used coercive tactics; killed? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ What Are UFOs Really? Discussion of the true nature of ufos as exterior- ised projections from the collective unconscious - within the Berkeleian metaverse, of course. http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~ursa/philos/ufo1.htm @ Psi Informatics - emerging field of studying psi phenomena from an infor- matic perspective. http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~ursa/philos/psi-inf.htm : Is a coherent philosophy all that's necessary to grok the paranormal? Can you grow mental structures to contain the otherwise inexplicable? Is it fun? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ The Truth About Comet Lee. There have been some wild statements made about Comet Lee [officially known as C/1999H1 (Lee)]. These are simply bogus, false statements by people who must have some agenda other than the truth. Truth: Comet Lee's orbit is not erratic; it is well-known. The comet will not hit the Earth or come any place close to it. Comet Lee (or any comet) won't cause coronal mass ejections. And Comet Lee's orbit is not affected by them. The comet is not expected to brighten. http://encke.jpl.nasa.gov/ @ Also: Frantic BS: http://www.millenngroup.com/repository/cometary/lee.htm : Would you rather that Comet Lee did or didn't destroy life on Earth? Would you prefer another disaster? When? Are you trying to invoke a disaster? Why? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ SkeptiLinks: @ Therapy for Adults Molested as Children: Beyond Survival http://www.sidran.org/digicart/products/brta.html @ A New Paradigm for Evolutionary Psychology: The Centrality of Domain-General Mechanisms for Conceptualizing Human Adaptation: http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/gearyrev.html # Cypherpunk breaks CIA's crypto code in statue: http://www.nytimes.com/library/tech/99/06/biztech/articles/16code.html # 'Thousands' massacred in Kosovo by Serbs: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_371000/371336.stm # China rejects US apology - bombing of Beograd embassy 'not OK': http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/en
[CTRL] Fwd: S&B #1 (1833-1985)
Title: YALE SKULL AND BONES MEMBERSHIP LIST (1833-1985) Name YEAR INITIATED William M. Bolos (Bouliaratis) S&B 1947 Frederick Randolph Abbe S&B 1848 Donlan Vincent Aberg, Jr.S&B 1952 Peter Mark AbramsS&B 1983 David Campion AchesonS&B 1943 Stephen H. Ackerman S&B 1957 John Sidney Acosta S&B 1921 Charles Edward Adams S&B 1904 Charles Hemmenway Adams S&B 1866 Frederick Baldwin Adams S&B 1862 Frederick Baldwin Adams S&B 1900 Frederick Baldwin Adams, Jr. S&B 1932 George Webster Adams S&B 1904 Lewis G. Adams S&B 1920 Mason Tyler AdamsS&B 1899 Stephen AdamsS&B 1959 Bernard I. AfoijuS&B 1967 Roger S. Ahlbrandt, Jr. S&B 1963 William Aichison S&B 1848 Edwin Edgerton Aiken S&B 1881 William Pope Aiken S&B 1853 Paul Berer Albritton S&B 1978 Owen Franklin Aldis S&B 1874 Malcolm Pratt AldrichS&B 1922 Eben Alexander S&B 1873 James Strange Alexander CFR21/S&B 1882 William DeWitt Alexander S&B 1855 William Felix Alexander S&B 1851 Mehdi Raza Ali S&B 1965 Archibald J. Allen, Jr. S&B 1945 Arthur Dwight Allen S&B 1901 Arthur Huntington Allen S&B 1873 Calvin Durand Allen S&B 1913 Charles Edward Allen II S&B 1958/CFR Clarence Emir Allen, Jr. S&B 1913 Daniel Allen S&B 1926 Frederick Wintrop Allen S&B 1900 Henry Elisha Allen S&B 1924 John DeWitt Hamilton Allen S&B 1876 Parker Breese Allen S&B 1919 Walter Allen S&B 1863 William Palmer Allen S&B 1880 Charles Booth Alling, Jr.S&B 1947 Robert Seaman Allison, Jr. S&B 1930 Samuel Perkins Allison S&B 1847 Allan Wallace Ames S&B 1918 Sullivan Dobb Ames S&B 1899 John Arnold Amundson S&B 1880 Edwin Alexander Anderson S&B 1835 Thomas Hill Anderson S&B 1951 Edward W. Andrews, Jr. S&B 1945W John Wallingford Andrews, Jr.S&B 1870 John Wolcott Andrews S&B 1876 Paul James AndrieS&B 1984 Benjamin Harris Anthony S&B 1886 George Frederick Baer Appel S&B 1924 Rushton L. ArdreyS&B 1925 Charles Jesup Arms S&B 1863 John Hulett ArnotS&B 1885 Matthias Hollenback ArnotS&B 1856 Robert E. Arras, Jr. S&B 1969 Frank Davis Asburn S&B 1925 Victor Henderson AsheS&B 1967 Alan Thompson AshenfelterS&B 1975 Albert Blackhurst Ashforth S&B 1929 Thomas William Ludlow Ashley S&B 1948 David E. Austen S&B 1931 Roy Leslie AustinS&B 1968 Samuel Monroe Austin S&B 1980 Frederick Charles AveroffS&B 1974 Benjamin F. AveryS&B 1914 Charles Hammond AveryS&B 1875 William Anderson Aycrigg III S&B 1942 Henry Harper Babcock S&B 1853 James Anthony Babst S&B 1971 Samuel H. Back S&B 1962 Joseph Willes Backus S&B 1846 Paul Bradford Badger S&B 1911 Walter Irving Badger S&B 1882 Philip Horton Bailey S&B 1897 Richard Wheeler BakerS&B 1913 Howard Malcolm Baldridge S&B 1918 George William Baldwin S&B 1853 Henry DeForest Baldwin S&B 1885 Roger Sherman BaldwinS&B 1847 Sherman Baldwin S&B 1919 Simeon Eren Baldwin S&B 1861 David George BallS&B 1960/CFR Howard D. Banks S&B 1956 Henry Clay Bannard S&B 1869 Otto Tremont Bannard S&B 1876 Mark R. BaranS&B 1978 Alan Sidney Barasch S&B 1973 Julius Adolphus Baratte S&B 1843 Richard Mason Barge S&B 1974 Richard P. Baribault S&B 1949 George Payson Barker S&B 1856 Philip Gol
[CTRL] Fwd: S&B #2 (1833-1985)
Title: YALE SKULL AND BONES MEMBERSHIP LIST (1833-1985) Name YEAR INITIATED James Kittredge Lombard S&B 1854 Cornelius Ennis Lombardi S&B 1911 George B. Longstreth S&B 1930 David B. LonsdorfS&B 1973 Allen M. LookS&B 1927 Frank Byron Look S&B 1930 Charles Edwin Lord BB/S&B 1949 Franklin Atkins Lord S&B 1898 George DeForest Lord S&B 1854 Oswald B. Lord FR/S&B 1926 William Galey Lord S&B 1922 Winston Bao Lord BB/S&B 1959/TC David Harold LorensonS&B 1979 Vernon R. Loucks, Jr.S&B 1957 Anthony Hookey Loughran S&B 1957 Ralph Frank Love S&B 1951 Winslow Meston Lovejoy S&B 1925 Joseph LovellS&B 1844 August Sidney Lovett S&B 1913 Robert Ambercrombie Lovett CFR/S&B 1918 Sidney LovettS&B 1950 Henry Robinson Luce BB/CFR/S&B 1920 Charles Pinckeny Luckey S&B 1950 Charles Pinckney Luckey S&B 1923 William Ludden S&B 1850 Chauncey F. Lufkin S&B 1951 Dan Wende Lufkin S&B 1953 Elgood Moulton LufkinS&B 1925 Peter Wende Lufkin, Sr. S&B 1949 Richard John Luman S&B 1925 Richard Anthony Lumpkin S&B 1957 Stover Boardman Lunt S&B 1921 Peter A. LuskS&B 1960 William Thompson LuskS&B 1924 Karl Evan Lutz S&B 1972 William A. Lydgate S&B 1931 Chester Smith Lyman S&B 1837 Chester Wolcott LymanS&B 1882 Dennis Patrick Lynch S&B 1964 R. Vincent Lynch S&B 1945 Charles James Lynde S&B 1838 George Armstrong LyonS&B 1900 Ranald MacDonald II S&B 1915 Richard J. MacDonald S&B 1972 Richard Gesrtle Mack S&B 1948 Kenneth Malcolm MacKenzieS&B 1975 Kenneth MacLean, Jr. S&B 1961 Archibald MacLeish S&B 1915 William H. MacLeish S&B 1950 George Boardman MacLellanS&B 1835 George Boardman MacLellanS&B 1858 Alexander MacWhorter S&B 1842 B. Patrick MaddenS&B 1969 John Beckwith Madden S&B 1941 P. Patrick MaddenS&B 1969 Thomas Skinner Maffitt S&B 1899 James McDevitt Magee S&B 1899 John Gillespie Magee S&B 1906 Benjamin Drake Magruder S&B 1856 Guy Ward Mallon S&B 1885 Henry Neil MallonS&B 1917 John Howard Mallon S&B 1919 Thomas Ridgway MallonS&B 1945W Barton Lee Mallory, Jr. S&B 1928 William Neely MalloryS&B 1924 Terence R. MalloyS&B 1956 William DeForest Manice S&B 1851 Newton Spaulding Manross S&B 1850 Howard Mansfield S&B 1871 Hirman Edward Manville, Jr. S&B 1929 Daniel March S&B 1840 David Leonard Marinelli S&B 1978 Vicent Marmaduke S&B 1852 William Lee MarshS&B 1963 John Birnie Marshall S&B 1953 Samuel Davies Marshall S&B 1833 George Greene Martin S&B 1893 George Lockwood Martin S&B 1836 Joseph Howard Marvin S&B 1876 Joseph Howard Marvin S&B 1836 Alfred Bishop Mason S&B 1871 Henry Burratt Mason S&B 1870 Frederick Ellsworth Mather S&B 1833 Craig MathewsS&B 1951 Philip Mathias IIS&B 1955 Francis Otto Matthessen S&B 1923 Albert Matthews S&B 1842 Fred W. Mattlin S&B 1973 Charles Theodore Mayer S&B 1951 Michael B. Mayor S&B 1959 William Andrew McAfeeS&B 1982 Alexander McAndrew S&B 1913 Wilber McBride S&B 1882 Jonathan Evans McBridge S&B 1964 Henry McCall S&B 1840 Revell McCallum S&B 1924 Robert Davis McCallum, Jr. S&B 1968 C
Re: [CTRL] Feds Selling Armor-Piercing Bullets
-Caveat Lector- Nothing is done by accident; for instance years ago, the US government sold old paper money to a man from Texas.rather than burn the stuff it was shredded and sold Why? The environment and smoke pollution. I called the Secret Service after my sister gave me a jar of paper supposedly consisting of the remains of a million dollars, and asked what the biggest secret was, in making money. Why the paper, of course.so this paper could be recycledand of course this was in a time frame when the CIA was making phoney money, maybe not phoney money, but real money using old plates, which they used overseas. Now all this stuff is illegal; and there is not a law on the books that protects any government agent and that is why when an agent is caught breaking the law, they don't know you now. I wonder if the Feds still sell that guy in Dallas the paper money.and as for the Talon Company - did they buy the brass bullets on a bid, or is this just another front organization for the MAFIA/CIA organization... Frankly, it seems to me our government is getting a little lax when it permits neutron bomb secrets to lie around where the Chinese can "steal" them; and when they sell old ammunition which is supposed to be "recycled" and is not, and when they permit their troops to be used to protect what at the US Open.may be it is Tiger Woodsdid you go to Muirfield where from his last game at Muirfield, he went from 60th place to number one this daybut a lot of people wondered about his being spoon fed informationwell it was a good course, but when VJ Singh insisted they pull up a flag, and something was wrongwell let us say Woods is not that good - depends on which way the wind is blowing...but one wonder why VJ Singh had them pull a flag, only to find something was wrongwhat was it, I wonder.and now troops at the US Open? Does this mean Tiger Woods is just another political pawn who was let in to spice up the game of golf and the next step is the riots? The game of Golf now needs protection; the game meant for gentlemanwhat happened - if you had seen Tiger's display at the end of the game, well - golf thanks to Tiger's PR men, is turning into World Wide Wrestlingbut some of the old pros, I believe, have withheld their talents long enough. And now is a war to begin at the US Open? Will they send in Black Panzers - to protect the game of golf? Too late I am afraidit is no longer a gentlemans game...Fuzzy Zoeller in his own way was rightGolf is now going to be used to promote race relations - forget class and watch now for Tiger's club throwing everytime he meets defeatand check those balls for magnetswonder what made all those poles stick. So, Golfersthe Yankees are comingthe men in black and the black helicopters, at the game where Eisenhower once said "I hope golf is always a gentleman's game". Well thanks to Tiger Woods, it is not - look for more club throwing, fist shakingbut do not look anymore for the good ones to hold backwhy the troops at the US Open? Just getting ready for golf to turn into soccerthe hucksters have arrived - or perhaps someone else realized what happened at Muirfield. Colleen DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Food for thought
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > The Balkanization of America <...> > > There it is. There is the glue that made us The United States of > > America. Our Christian faith and heritage is the cement that united > > people of different ethnicity and culture. Past immigrants assimilated > > themselves into a common American culture. Our grandparents were free > > to worship God in their own way but they understood that faith in God > > and the Christian value system were at the heart of this country's > > existence. All that is lost to us today. There is no Christian culture > > in the mainstream of American society today. The departure of our > > common heritage is turning our nation into the western Balkans. And here we have it: The Big Lie. "Murka wuz a xian cuntry but now all the spiks'n'spooks'n'raggys'n'qweerz are tearing out our gutz." [Slightly paraphrased] A lightly-disguised call for a State Church,' which of course is unconstitutional; so if the author of the above ever took an oath to Protect and Defend the US Constitution, that oath was shredded with the expression of that sentiment. The Big Lie. And the truth? America has never been a 'christian' nation. Pre-independence, the British North American colonies were primarily Protestant - but not monolithically. Scads of competing sects, all denouncing each other, purging themselves of dissenters, provoked fierce conflict between High-Churchers & Low-Churchers & Non-Conformists. The Founders were a loose collection of theists, deists and atheists. Around the time of the US Civil War, increasing numbers of Catholics immigrated - and were often portrayed by their Prod brethren as pagan, polytheistic, even subhuman [see the images of the Irish as apes in newspaper cartoons of the day.] Pre-TV, there was no "common American culture" - the various regions kept distinct dialects, values, politics, preferences. Even now, with the nation wired up the yazoo, commonality of culture exists mainly in shopping malls and cinemaplexes - see THE NINE NATIONS OF NORTH AMERICA for an explication of the diversity. What's the main factor common to most Americans? FLIGHT! We or our ancestors fled from somewhere, 'escaping' from the draft, bad debts, bad marriages, bad weather, bad faith, bad something-or-other. And of course many were brought here involuntarily, and have/had nowhere to return. So we're looking over our shoulders at a grim past. THAT is what binds us together - not an agreement as to the number, nature and intentions of whatever deities we can imagine. The Big Lie. It's the shout of conspirators, demagogues, power-heads. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Milocevic, take a bow.]
-Caveat Lector- Ric Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > > What hath Milocevic wrought? Since taking power 12 years ago, > he's accomplished a great deal for his people. He's started > and lost four wars. He's overseen the total breakup of the > old Republic of the Southern Slavs, 'balkanized' into its > constituent components. He's seen Serbs expelled from those > breakaway states by the hundreds of thousands, seen thousands > more suffer from atrocities at the hands of vengeful non-Serbs > in retribution for the atrocities of Serb soldiers and militias. > He's given the remaining Serbs a land that's shrunken, shattered, > impoverished, emasculated, isolated, reviled; its infrastructure > destroyed; its fields and waters poisoned; its literati purged; > its role as a regional power minimized. He's fucked the Serbs. > > Could one man be this incompetent, all on his own? Was he > driven only by a greed for power, to transform himself from a > communist aparatchik into a suicidal nationalist? Or has he > achieved his goal: the denaturing of Serbia? Who does he work > for, really? Whose interests are served by turning the Balkans > into a swarm of microstates; by inserting Mujahadin activists > and NATO soldiers into Southeast Europe; by demonstrating that > Russia is defanged, impotent, irrelevant to European affairs? > > For two millennia, the former Yugoslavia was the fault line > between Western and Eastern Europe; for 3/4 of that time, the > knife-edge between Catholic & Orthodox Xianity; for 2/3 of that > time, the spear-point where Islam prods Xianity. Like Palestine > where the 3 continents of Europe, Asia and Africa converge, the > Balkans are deceptively complex - often a neglected backwater, > sometime the strategic bone of contention between multiple > forces. Events there are not just of local concern, they echo > and reverberate around the world. Players there become global > actors. Who fed Milocevic his script? Who directed the play? > > Milocevic, take a bow. You've played your part superbly. > I sense, as others have, a scheme to complete the work begun at Versailles in 1919--the concentration of each ethnic, linguistic, and/or cultural group in Europe into its own ministate. It was this notion of Wilson that provoked Clemenceau's famous *mot*, "What! Must every little language have its own country?" When finished, the map of Europe will be a patchwork bearing little resemblance to the national borders we've become used to: the "United Kingdom" will be splintered into separate English, Welsh, Scottish, and Northern Irish states; Northwest Spain and Southwest France will become an independent Basque state; Catalonia will be independent; Italy will be split into at least two new states, Padania in the north and a rump state approximating the ancient Kingdom of the Two Sicilies in the south; the German-speaking South Tyrol may reunite with Austria. Belgium will divide into at least two new states, one Flemish (Dutch) speaking and one French. In Eastern Europe, in addition to the dissolution of Yugoslavia, the Hungarian-speaking regions of Romania (Transylvania), Slovakia, and Serbia (Vojvodina) will be merged with Hungary. Greater Albania will be reconstituted by adding Kosova and the parts of Macedonia and Greece that were stripped away in the 19th century. In Northern Europe, the Sami (Lapp) territories in the north of Finland, Sweden, and Norway will be at least autonomous, possibly independent. Karelia (the historic Finnish homeland, since 1940 part of Russia) will probably be returned to Finland. Of Europe's multilingual states, only Switzerland will survive intact. Any comments? Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and alw
[CTRL] Fw: AANEWS for Thursday, June 17, 1999
-Caveat Lector- from: AMERICAN ATHEISTS subject: AANEWS for June 17, 1999 A M E R I C A N A T H E I S T S AANEWS #591 ~~ 6/17/99 http://www.atheists.org ftp.atheists.org/pub/atheists/ http://www.americanatheist.org - A Service of AMERICAN ATHEISTS "Leading The Way For Atheist Civil Rights And The Separation Of State and Church" -- In This Issue... * Aderholt Commandments Act passes in House * Picket the Promise Keepers, June 26 in Detroit! * Government aid to religious schools -- what's your opinion? * Resources * About this list... HOUSE APPROVES TEN COMMANDMENTS DISPLAY IN STATES The House of Representatives today voted to pass legislation which allows states to display the Ten Commandments in public school classrooms and other official government venues. Introduced as the Ten Commandments Defense Act by Rep. Robert Aderholt of Alabama, the measure was approved 248-180, and was an amendment on a larger package of juvenile justice and gun control legislation still being debated. On Wednesday night, Aderholt told the House that the nation "was founded upon Judeo Christian principles," and that his proposal -- which would legalize the display by states of the Decalogue on public property -- did not favor one religion over another. "We have freedom of religion," declared the combative Alabama congressman, "not freedom from religion." Rep. Bobby Scott (D-Va.) then rose, and pointed out that the act would have little or no impact on juvenile crime, and clearly violated the separation of church and state. "I understand that simply posting the Ten Commandments will not instantly change the moral character of our nation," replied Aderholt. "However, it is an important step to promote morality, and an end of children killing children." The Ten Commandments Defense Act was bogged down last year as legislators took up the matter of the Starr report and the Clinton impeachment fiasco. Aderholt had succeeded in persuading representatives and senators, though, to pass a measure recommending that the Ten Commandments be displayed in classrooms, government buildings and other official venues. That non-binding resolution was in support of Alabama county judge Roy Moore, who has attracted national coverage for displaying a copy of the Commandments in his courtroom, and opening judicial proceedings with a Baptist invocation. In the wake of the Columbine High School shootings in April, Aderholt persuaded key Republicans, including members of the "Values and Action Team" (VAT) to fast-track the Decalogue proposal. Unlike the non-binding capitol resolution which simply supported and "recommended" the display of the Commandments, the Ten Commandments Defense Act would have given the states power to erect such monuments. Dan Carney, an analyst with Congressional Quarterly, told CSPAN that the Aderholt act was attached as an amendment to the juvenile justice crime bill, with the latter becoming "a catchall for everyone's personal agenda." A slew of other amendments attempted to condemn the entertainment industry, or propose rating controls on movies, videos and even musical lyrics. Legislators divided sharply over Aderholt's proposal. Ten Commandments supporter Rep. Bob Barr (R-GA) said recently that had the Decalogue been displayed at Columbine High School, the shootings there in April would not have occurred. Democrats like Rep. Jerrold Nadler of New York, though, warned that the proposal excluded millions of Americans, and asked, "Whose Ten Commandments? The Christian version, the Protestant version or the Jewish version? They're different, you know." Even if the measure wins support in the Senate and becomes law, it is sure to be challenged in the courts. In 1980, the U.S. Supreme Court struck down as unconstitutional a Kentucky law which required schools to post a copy of the Decalogue in all classrooms. Courts have ruled, however, that in courthouses or other settings the Commandments may be displayed if they are "secularized" as part of a setting with other documents such as state constitutions or the Bill of Rights. ** AMERICAN ATHEISTS TO PROTEST PROMISE KEEPERS "SOLEMN ASSEMBLY," SATURDAY, JUNE 26 IN DETROIT American Atheists will hold a peaceful protest at the Promise Keepers rally in Detroit, Michigan on Saturday, June 26, 1999. The demonstration will take place outside the Joe Louis Arena, from 10:00 a.m. to 1:00 p.m. Appropriate signs and banners will be provided in keeping with the theme of this demonstration, and members and supporters of American Atheists are cordially invited. We'll meet on the ground level sidewalk across the street from the main entrance ticket office, ground level. This is a peaceful demonstrat
[CTRL] ACTION PLAN: Executive Orders -- Please Read Very important
-Caveat Lector- Independent American Party of the U.S. ACTION PLAN: Executive Orders http://www.usiap.org/actionitems/executiveorders.html By Elizabeth Christman (MARYLAND) ACTION PLAN Recently Congressman Jack Metcalf (R-2-WA) introduced H.Con.Res 30. This vital legislation reasserts the role and responsibility of Congress to enact laws and appropriate federal dollars. It would curb the infringement of executive power on legislative authority. Furthermore, H.Con.Res 30 will clarify any confusion regarding EOs, by emphasizing Congressional authority granted under Article I, sec 8 of the Constitution. EOs are not authorized by the Constitution. It is time for Congress to address this issue of balance among the three branches of the government. Currently, 46 Congressman have co-sponsored this bill and need more if we hope to have the Speaker take it to a floor vote. It is currently in the Judiciary Committee, Constitution Sub-Committee. If you are concerned about Executive Orders, please do the following: 1. Contact your congressperson and urge them to co-sponsor this bill. 2. Contact Congressman Charles Canady <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chairman of the Constitution Sub-Committee and urge him to co-sponsor, bring it up for a vote with the full committee and report out of sub-committee for a vote to the House floor. 3. Contact Speaker Hastert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> and urge him to bring the resolution to the floor for a vote. Clinton's Executive Orders [Excellent Overview, well-written -- Tam] Is Congressional Authority Slipping? Unfortunately the answer is yes. Faced with a Congress unwilling to grant him super legislative powers the President has unleashed a barrage of Executive Orders (EOs). In fact, he has issued more than 281 of them since taking office. Many of these infringe on the powers and duties reserved exclusively for Congress as dictated by the U.S. Constitution. In fact one EO was rescinded last year due to its disregard for Congressional Authority. Our founding fathers divided the government into three separate but coequal branches. It was their intention that all legislative powers be vested in the Congress. Furthermore, the framers specifically gave the responsibility of spending taxpayer dollars to the peoples representatives. The President is overstepping the constitutional power of his office, by issuing EOs which require the expenditure of federal funds. The American Heritage Rivers Initiative (AHRI) is a great example of our current President usurping the legislative power of the Congress. AHRI was born when President Clinton signed EO 13061. It is a fact that the Constitution requires Congress to first approve all revenue spending. EO 13061 also gives the President the power to reprogram government funds and spend taxpayer money for a project (AHRI) without Congress even having the chance to debate the initiative. I am disturbed that the President continues to try to supersede the Constitution by instituting broad policy initiatives like AHRI. By EO 13061, Clinton purported to give himself the power to take over 10 rivers a year (later extended to 14), whose adjacent lands of indeterminate size would be put under the control of Clinton-appointed River Navigators, each with a salary of $100,000. Congress never authorized this land grab or appropriated any money for it, so Clinton says he will divert funds from 12 departments. This Rivers EO takes governing authority away from states and localities. It threatens private property rights guaranteed by the Fourth and Fifth Amendments. Clinton's surprise grab of 1.7 million acres of Utah land for a national park in 1996 just happened to include a trillion dollars worth of clean-burning, low-sulfur hard coal. Clinton's removal of this huge natural resource from commercial availability tremendously enhanced the value of the second largest source of environmentally-safe coal, which just happens to be owned by Clinton's Indonesian friends the Riadys, who gave millions of dollars to Clinton's presidential campaigns in 1992 and 1996. For the Mexican and Brazilian bailouts, Clinton used executive authority to raid a U.S. Treasury Department fund set up in the 1930s for the specific purpose of being available to stabilize the U.S. dollar. The President certainly was not authorized to give this money to foreign governments so they could make their loan payments due to Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin's old firm, Goldman Sachs. Clinton's EO 12919 of June 3, 1994, entitled National Defense Industrial Resources Preparedness, asserts plenary and dictatorial authority over citizens, food, transportation, energy, health, contracts, materials and resources, to be exercised by the National Security Council and FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency). Many wonder if this EO's real purpose is to grab emergency powers if we are bitten by the Y2K bug. BACKGROUND OF EXECUTIVE ORDERS Many citizens may wonder, what are Executive Orders and where d
[CTRL] Africans Want World Bank, IMF Refrormed
-Caveat Lector- Africans Want Bretton Woods Institutions Refrormed Africa News Service 14-JUN-99 OUAGADOUGOU, Burkina Faso (PANA) (Panafrican News Agency, June 13, 1999) - African researchers have ended a symposium in Ouagadougou on international monetay policy by calling for the need and urgency for reform of the Bretton Woods institutions and curre nt economic order. Convinced that the current world economy is based on competition, the participants recommended that debts owed by African countries be cancelled or suspended until their economies reach a level of efficiency that can make these states solvent. The symposium, on the theme: Rethinking the Bretton Woods Institutions from Africa, was held 9-11 June under the auspices of the Dakar-based Council for the Development of Social Science Research in Africa known as CODESRIA. (The Bretton Woods institutions are IMF and the World Bank). It urged member states to actively participate in the drawing up of a new world economic system. To achieve that goal, the symposium called for the strengthening of the capacities of African financial institutions to prepare them to negotiate with the Bretton Woods institutions. The experts, therefore, urged decision-makers in Africa to establish a research group to chart the continent's future. They also recommended the creation of a "world economic security system" that would have the task of preventing Africa against the risks it is particularly exposed to. The researchers suggested that African nations move "irreversibly" toward economic and monetary integration as they enter the 21st century. Established in Dakar in 1973, CODESRIA is an independent body grouping African researchers in social sciences. Copyright 1999 Panafrican News Agency. Distributed via Africa News Online. = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Milocevic, take a bow.
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Robert Tatman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Ric Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > What hath Milocevic wrought? Since taking power 12 years ago, > > he's accomplished a great deal for his people. He's started > > and lost four wars. He's overseen the total breakup of the > > old Republic of the Southern Slavs, 'balkanized' into its > > constituent components. He's seen Serbs expelled from those > > breakaway states by the hundreds of thousands, seen thousands > > more suffer from atrocities at the hands of vengeful non-Serbs > > in retribution for the atrocities of Serb soldiers and militias. > > He's given the remaining Serbs a land that's shrunken, shattered, > > impoverished, emasculated, isolated, reviled; its infrastructure > > destroyed; its fields and waters poisoned; its literati purged; > > its role as a regional power minimized. He's fucked the Serbs. > > > > Could one man be this incompetent, all on his own? Was he > > driven only by a greed for power, to transform himself from a > > communist aparatchik into a suicidal nationalist? Or has he > > achieved his goal: the denaturing of Serbia? Who does he work > > for, really? Whose interests are served by turning the Balkans > > into a swarm of microstates; by inserting Mujahadin activists > > and NATO soldiers into Southeast Europe; by demonstrating that > > Russia is defanged, impotent, irrelevant to European affairs? > > > > For two millennia, the former Yugoslavia was the fault line > > between Western and Eastern Europe; for 3/4 of that time, the > > knife-edge between Catholic & Orthodox Xianity; for 2/3 of that > > time, the spear-point where Islam prods Xianity. Like Palestine > > where the 3 continents of Europe, Asia and Africa converge, the > > Balkans are deceptively complex - often a neglected backwater, > > sometime the strategic bone of contention between multiple > > forces. Events there are not just of local concern, they echo > > and reverberate around the world. Players there become global > > actors. Who fed Milocevic his script? Who directed the play? > > > > Milocevic, take a bow. You've played your part superbly. > > > I sense, as others have, a scheme to complete the work begun at > Versailles in 1919--the concentration of each ethnic, linguistic, > and/or cultural group in Europe into its own ministate. It was > this notion of Wilson that provoked Clemenceau's famous *mot*, > "What! Must every little language have its own country?" > > When finished, the map of Europe will be a patchwork bearing > little resemblance to the national borders we've become used to: > the "United Kingdom" will be splintered into separate English, > Welsh, Scottish, and Northern Irish states; Northwest Spain and > Southwest France will become an independent Basque state; Cata- > lonia will be independent; Italy will be split into at least > two new states, Padania in the north and a rump state approxi- > mating the ancient Kingdom of the Two Sicilies in the south; the > German-speaking South Tyrol may reunite with Austria. Belgium > will divide into at least two new states, one Flemish (Dutch) > speaking and one French. In Eastern Europe, in addition to the > dissolution of Yugoslavia, the Hungarian-speaking regions of > Romania (Transylvania), Slovakia, and Serbia (Vojvodina) will be > merged with Hungary. Greater Albania will be reconstituted by > adding Kosova and the parts of Macedonia and Greece that were > stripped away in the 19th century. In Northern Europe, the Sami > (Lapp) territories in the north of Finland, Sweden, and Norway > will be at least autonomous, possibly independent. Karelia (the > historic Finnish homeland, since 1940 part of Russia) will prob- > ably be returned to Finland. Of Europe's multilingual states, > only Switzerland will survive intact. > > Any comments? You forgot the partition of Friesland [Frisian language zone] from Holland and Germany; breaking Germany into its old North/Central (Protestant) and South (Catholic) dialect areas; splitting Provence from northern France, Galicia from Spain, Scandia from Sweden, the North Caucasus hodge-podge from Russia; with Corsica and Sardinia set adrift, er granted freedom too; and don't forget the Kurds. And Circassians. Why, just considering the total fragmentation of Russia into language areas should set cartographers salivating. Hmmm, CoEvolution Quarterly / Whole Earth Review devoted an issue to Euro.breakup some years back, but I can't locate that just now... So. How much self-determination is enough? How much can you handle? Who determines just what "self" is doing the self-determining? Is the age of empires & nations past? Will a viable New World Order consist of zillions of small, homogenous states, within regional and global organizations? Will those statelets be organized as cultural regions, bio-regions, virtual regions, industrial zones? Will such statelets be truly self-determined, o
[CTRL] Tanzania: Sex Workers Swarm Refugee Camps, Says UNDP
-Caveat Lector- Tanzania: Sex Workers Swarm Refugee Camps, Says UNDP Inter Press Service 16-JUN-99 DAR ES SALAAM, (Jun. 16) IPS - A new study by the U.N. Development Program (UNDP) shows an increase in the number of commercial sex workers in refugee camps in Tanzania. Hundreds of women from rural and urban Tanzania are streaming into refugee camps in western Kigoma, a province on the border with Burundi and the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC), to practice commercial sex. The camps host more than 70,000 refugees from Burundi and the DRC. "Women craving for wealth are driven by the huge salaries paid to workers of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) and other international and local Non-Governmental Organizations (NGOs) working in the camps," says the study, made available to IPS. "The big salaries paid to UNHCR and NGOs workers have stirred an influx of women dreaming to become rich over night through commercial sex," says the study, conducted by a team of UNDP officials. The trade has attracted women of all social classes, from bar maids, housewives to clerks who turn into hookers at night to supplement their meager incomes, in a country where the minimum wage of 30,000 shillings is hardly enough to feed a family of four. One US Dollar is equal to 1,260 Tanzania shillings. The influx has sparked fears about the spread of AIDs in the refugee camps. Kigoma has been ravaged by the acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS) since the first case of the disease was diagnosed in the East African country in 1983. As of January this year, the Lake Tanganyika province had 2,287 cumulative hospital reported cases of AIDS, according to the UNDP survey. The study shows that during the day Kigoma's fishing, mining and commercial centres conduct normal trading activities "but become hot spots for commercial sex at night." "Interaction of Kigoma people with refugees and the migration of youths from rural to urban centres has fuelled the vulnerability of people to HIV/AIDS infection as guest houses are mostly used for commercial sex," says Elly Ndyetabura, a UNDP program officer. The booming sex industry has its roots on grinding poverty -- up to 50 percent of Tanzania's 32 million population live below the poverty line. The situation has further been compounded by the fact that thousands of youths, unable to obtain jobs in the tight labor market, dodge economic hardships in the rural areas and flock to urban centres hoping to lead better lives. While in the city, they turn to crime and prostitution in order to earn a living. "The uncontrollable rural-urban movement of youths is not only a headache to economic planners but also an obstacle to health-care delivery, particularly the struggle to contain the spread of HIV/AIDS infection in a country with a crippling eight-billion-US-dollar foreign debt," says Ndyetabura. His colleague, Walter Mazzuki, a UNDP program officer, says moral decay and illiteracy have also contributed to the devastating effects of HIV/AIDS infection in Kigoma as girls begin practicing sex at the tender age of 13 or 14 years. He says the practice has resulted into a sharp increase in the number of diagnosed AIDS cases in the age group 15 for women and between 25 and 34 for men. "Sex at a tender age has contributed to increased school drops-outs among girls due to pregnancies and an increasing number of deliveries outside marriages," he explains. Kigoma provincial medical officer, Godfrey Mbaruku, says poor coordination and a lack of commitment by policy makers and government officials have hampered the fight to contain the spread of HIV/AIDS in the region. "Knowledge and understanding of HIV/AIDS is very limited among community members and the leaders at all levels," he says. Tanzania, which hosts up to 800,000 refugees from neighboring countries, has 1.4 million people living with HIV/AIDS. = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matte
Re: [CTRL] Milocevic, take a bow.
-Caveat Lector- -- >From: Ric Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > What hath Milocevic wrought? Since taking power 12 years ago, > he's accomplished a great deal for his people. He's started > and lost four wars. He's overseen the total breakup of the > old Republic of the Southern Slavs, 'balkanized' into its > constituent components. I don't think that Milocevic wishes to start any wars. Why would you suggest that he wished to start them? Do you have evidence that it was he that started these wars? Howard Davis DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Milocevic, take a bow.]
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-06-17 13:25:07 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >When finished, the map of Europe will be a patchwork bearing little >resemblance to the national borders we've become used to Divide and conquer. No rival "superstates" possible if they're all "ministates." DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Milocevic, take a bow.
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Das GOAT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > >When finished, the map of Europe will be a patchwork bearing little > >resemblance to the national borders we've become used to > > Divide and conquer. No rival "superstates" possible if they're all > "ministates." In a wired world, territorial entities are at a terrible disadvantage compared to virtual/corporate entities. The 'state', mini or maxi, is a nice fat target. It can't take evasive action. "It ain't going anywhere soon." A virtual entity can relocate quickly. Territorial states are dinosaurs, too sluggish to survive in a fast-paced world. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Milocevic, take a bow.]
-Caveat Lector- Ric Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You forgot the partition of Friesland [Frisian language zone] from > Holland and Germany; breaking Germany into its old North/Central > (Protestant) and South (Catholic) dialect areas; splitting Provence > from northern France, Galicia from Spain, Scandia from Sweden, the > North Caucasus hodge-podge from Russia; with Corsica and Sardinia > set adrift, er granted freedom too; and don't forget the Kurds. > And Circassians. Why, just considering the total fragmentation > of Russia into language areas should set cartographers salivating. > Umm. Frisia and Provence actually had occurred to me, but somehow the others slipped my mind. BTW, as long as we're adding in the Caucasus, I have a feeling that the Kuban will spin off as an autonomous or independent Cossack homeland. > Hmmm, CoEvolution Quarterly / Whole Earth Review devoted an issue > to Euro.breakup some years back, but I can't locate that just now... > > So. How much self-determination is enough? How much can you handle? > Who determines just what "self" is doing the self-determining? Is > the age of empires & nations past? Will a viable New World Order > consist of zillions of small, homogenous states, within regional > and global organizations? Will those statelets be organized as > cultural regions, bio-regions, virtual regions, industrial zones? > Will such statelets be truly self-determined, or will they be easy > pickings for Corporate States that aren't constrained by physical > boundaries? Are physical states themselves bound for extinction, > replaced by virtual states? How can/do/will humans organize into > groupings that do things impossible for individuals? > > How much will the Reptilioids and Republicans let us get away with? The prime question here, ISTM, is which of the new microstates will become offshore tax and data havens? I can definitely see Padania going this way--it already has the bulk of Italy's financial and information industry. Slovenia seems to be edging in that direction as well. But above and beyond such mental maunderings, "virtual states" are a reality *now*, becoming more real every time we log onto the Internet. The old order is struggling to make its medieval laws adjust to the new model, with only mixed success. ...And what happens when the first commercial space stations (which are only about ten years away) go independent? "Indeed do many things come to pass." Bob PS: As for the Reptilioids/Republicans, hunt up *Gladiator at Law* by Frederik Pohl and C.M. Kornbluth--long out of print, but VERY relevant to our discussions. Note especially the role of the Struldbrugs in manipulating the market... = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Comet Lee on Art Bell's Coast to Coast Last Night
-Caveat Lector- 6/16/99 Wed/Thu: Stewart Best Website: http://www.truinsight.com This is a fascinating show about the Comet Lee and it's possible effects on the Earth later this year. http://ww2.broadcast.com/artbell/abell/9906/ab0616.ram Steve Steve Wingate California Director SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL Anomalous Images and UFO Files http://www.anomalous-images.com DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Milocevic, take a bow.
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Howard R. Davis III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >From: Ric Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > What hath Milocevic wrought? Since taking power 12 years ago, > > he's accomplished a great deal for his people. He's started > > and lost four wars. He's overseen the total breakup of the > > old Republic of the Southern Slavs, 'balkanized' into its > > constituent components. > > I don't think that Milocevic wishes to start any wars. Why would you > suggest that he wished to start them? Do you have evidence that it > was he that started these wars? Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Kosova. Yugoslav/Serb troops and paramilitaries attack, and eventually lose. Slobby controls those troops, ergo, Slobby started and lost the wars. Give him enough time, and pretty soon, there's no 'there' there. The question remains: who was/is Milocevic working for? DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush's genealogical chart (from 350 BC)
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Ric Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From: Das GOAT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > from: http://www.totse.com/files/FA020/histchr2.htm > > > > What a crock. <...> Posted to any genealogy newsgroup, this would > > raise gales of disdainful laughter. > > tracing back 'n' generations, you have '2^n' ancestors. Let's say that > the total number of human beings who've ever lived is roughly 10 billion > [1^10], and that one generation equals 20 years. Punch the calculator > and you'll see that 2^33= 0.86^10 and 2^34= 1.72^10 -- thus, somewhere > between 33 and 34 generations (660-680 years) back, you've most likely > shared an ancestor with every other human on the planet. I must correct meself here - I munged the notation. 10 billion is 1E10 not 1^10. This portion of text, corrected, should read: : tracing back 'n' generations, you have '2^n' ancestors. Let's say that : the total number of human beings who've ever lived is roughly 10 billion : [1E10], and that one generation equals 20 years. Punch the calculator : and you'll see that 2^33= 0.86E10 and 2^34= 1.72E10 -- thus, somewhere : between 33 and 34 generations (660-680 years) back, you've most likely : shared an ancestor with every other human on the planet. My conclusion stands, even if my memory sucks. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] WHAT DOES COLUMBINE SAY ABOUT US?
-Caveat Lector- WHAT DOES COLUMBINE SAY ABOUT US? The president said yesterday that the tragedy at Columbine should make us look critically at ourselves as a society and as a culture. The president saw Tuesday as a day of national shame. I don't see it That way at all. I look at Columbine and I am proud to be an American. I am touched and inspired by the goodness and courage of average people, and the extent to which decency and faith spring from the American breast. I mean no disrespect, and I am not overlooking the great pain Tuesday's carnage wrought on so many lives and families, but as I look at what happened in Littleton I see proof not that things are going wrong in America, but that things are going right. Countless people, from Joe and Betty America to their politicians and commentators, have waxed gravely about what the Columbine murders "say about us." A Utah state legislator said it all started when "they took prayer out of schools." Rosie O'Donnell ranted angrily that we must "stand up to the NRA." A minister at a Denver memorial service said "gun manufacturers must be held accountable for this tragedy." For two days on my radio show I have heard from people who blame abortion, poor parenting, a lack of personal responsibility, Bill Clinton, liberals in general and a growing lack of spirituality in our society. Each of them has seen some great flaw in the American heart that gave rise to the butchers of Columbine. And each of them has been wrong. Because to see the two murderers and the evil they did as a Product of our national soul, and then to simultaneously ignore the hundreds of heroes and the goodness they did is to misrepresent the truth. If the tiny evil minority is a product of this society, so too is the overwhelming good majority. If you look at our failures, you must also look at our successes. I'm humbled to belong to a society which produced a hero teacher who, shot through the chest, his lifeblood glugging away, led a group of students to the barricaded safety of a classroom. For three and a half hours, as he knew he was dying, he calmed the students, and gave them direction. I am proud to know that my country raised the youngsters who clustered around that teacher, tending his wounds as best they could, keeping him conscious, using a cellular phone to call paramedics for advice. I am honored to share citizenship with the boy who thought to pull out the teacher's wallet so that he might look upon pictures of his family as he fought to stay alive. It was this culture which produced another teacher, his charges hiding in A room, brave enough to stand with nothing more than a fire extinguisher t to drive away a threat to his students' safety. The teen-agers who knelt to shield and comfort their wounded classmates Grew up in this society. As they carried the injured to safety and stopped to pray with the frightened, they were acting out of a set of values they learned as Americans. One boy in the library threw themself on top of a fellow student, Whispering to her to be calm, saying he would protect her body with his own. That boy, that hero, grew up in a world with legal guns, violent video games, hateful rock'n'roll, no prayer in schools, countless abortions, grizzly movies, Bill Clinton in the White House and record divorce rates. Yet he, and hundreds of others, acted with the purest of human virtues And in a noble and selfless fashion. What does that "say about us?" It says We are a good people. And while we have weaknesses and challenges, we are fundamentally strong. Our heart is essentially good, our children are raised with natural decency. Lunch ladies shouted directions for students to flee, ninth graders organized into groups for protection, children's cell phones told cops where the shooting was and when it had died down. And in the wake of it all, children with shattered lives stood before cameras and politely and clearly told a nation what they had seen. Strong enough to endure, strong enough to witness. As the tears are wiped away And the shock and grief begin to fade, Columbine will leave me with pride. Pride in the students and teachers of that suburban school, one little community that represents us all. With dignity, compassion and courage. The America those kids grew up in helped them to be some of the best and strongest people in the world. They are not the product of a failed society, they are the offspring of the greatest culture and nation on earth. The President who saw no flaw in himself is too quick to see a flaw in us.Those who hate our way of life, or who seek to use tragedy to advance their political causes, will see deep trouble in the American soul. But their perception is not true. It doesn't reflect us, it reflects them. This is a good land. We are a good people. The children we raise are overwhelmingly de
[CTRL] Two Weeks in Rebel Hands Prompts a New View of Colombian Conflict
-Caveat Lector- Two Weeks in Rebel Hands Prompts a New View of Colombian Conflict AP 17-JUN-99 CALI, Colombia (AP) -- Two weeks of scaling mountains in the cold and rain, herded around by leftist insurgents intent on teaching their captives a lesson, gave Rafael Posada a new view of the Western hemisphere's longest-running civil conflict. The rebel National Liberation Army, or ELN, released Posada and 32 other wet, haggard hostages late Tuesday in mountains south of Cali. The freed hostages had been among 160 parishioners hustled out of the La Maria church on Cali's southern edge on May 30 by the country's second-largest rebel group and trucked into the mountains. Most of those seized were freed that same day. But at least 20 remain captive. Posada, a 50-year-old administrator at the CIAT agricultural research institute in Cali, said the experience gave him a new perspective on Colombia's nearly four decades of class-based war. "I always thought that paying my taxes, working hard, being a good father, that this war wasn't mine. Now I see that this violence is the consequence of an economic model that doesn't work," said Posada, his face was chafed by sun and wind. Introduced to the life of Colombia's rural poor -- with little to eat, not enough good blankets, sleeping on the floor -- helped him understand what draws young peasants to the rebels, Posada said. "When we asked for more blankets they told us 'Thousands of our comrades are in jails, sleeping on the floor awaiting trial.' When we asked, 'Why are we here?' they said that theirs was a social movement to do away with injustice and poverty and that our abduction was part of that," said Posada, who lost nine pounds during the ordeal. The ELN also is holding 24 people from an Avianca domestic flight it hijacked April 12. The rebels claim the mass abductions are to force President Andres Pastrana's government to seriously engage it in peace talks. But Roman Catholic officials on Wednesday accused the ELN of seeking ransoms for some captives. "They want to make money at the expense of the pain and suffering of the hostages," said Isaias Duarte Cancino, the archbishop of Cali. Although admitting privately that ransoms have been sought, no relative of a hostage still being held has confirmed the ransom requests publicly. No known ransoms were paid for the hostages that were freed. "We who were freed think that those who remain captive are going to have to pay ransoms -- although the guerrillas never told us as much," Posada said, adding that those still held were "people of means." The rebels have vowed to release the Avianca hostages later this week, according to the Colombian and international commission that received the freed churchgoers. Cecilia Ruiz, 47, was among those freed Tuesday. Her 20-year-old son Patrick is still being held. "Most Colombians who have the means are leaving the country. After this, I think I would too, if I could," she said. "What future is there for my children, or grandchildren, growing up in such chaos?" Copyright 1999& The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ==
Re: [CTRL] Milocevic, take a bow.
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Robert Tatman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Ric Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You forgot the partition of Friesland [Frisian language zone] from > > Holland and Germany; breaking Germany into its old North/Central > > (Protestant) and South (Catholic) dialect areas; splitting Provence > > from northern France, Galicia from Spain, Scandia from Sweden, the > > North Caucasus hodge-podge from Russia; with Corsica and Sardinia > > set adrift, er granted freedom too; and don't forget the Kurds. > > And Circassians. Why, just considering the total fragmentation > > of Russia into language areas should set cartographers salivating. > > Umm. Frisia and Provence actually had occurred to me, but somehow the > others slipped my mind. BTW, as long as we're adding in the Caucasus, > I have a feeling that the Kuban will spin off as an autonomous or > independent Cossack homeland. There's LOTS of 'homelands' in Russia that'd rather not be run from Moscow. The sooner and deeper they're online, the faster they'll be 'free'. I cooked up a method to destroy the USSR about 20 years ago but nobody listened: CB radio. Airdrop tens of thousands of cheap CBs across the rural regions. People would grab'em, set up ad-hoc nets to coordinate their economic and other activities, leapfrogging past the major development block: lousy communications [roads, phones, etc]. Moscow only 'controls' that vast landmass by being able to direct troops & food & fuel & materials from place to place - and that's never been done well. Provide people with tools to coordinate movement, and Moscow is instantly redundant. Install wireless Net hookups in all those 'homelands', and the Kremlin loses, big-time. > > How much will the Reptilioids and Republicans let us get away with? > > The prime question here, ISTM, is which of the new microstates will > become offshore tax and data havens? I can definitely see Padania > going this way--it already has the bulk of Italy's financial and > information industry. Slovenia seems to be edging in that direction > as well. I don't know if data-sheltering is a good long-term strategy for a ministate; piss off enough maxistates that way, and they'll exert pressure [bombs]. Reagan didn't invade Panama JUST to get Noriega. > But above and beyond such mental maunderings, "virtual states" are a > reality *now*, becoming more real every time we log onto the Internet. > The old order is struggling to make its medieval laws adjust to the > new model, with only mixed success. ...And what happens when the first > commercial space stations (which are only about ten years away) go > independent? "Indeed do many things come to pass." Yup. > PS: As for the Reptilioids/Republicans, hunt up *Gladiator at Law* > by Frederik Pohl and C.M. Kornbluth--long out of print, but VERY > relevant to our discussions. Note especially the role of the Struld- > brugs in manipulating the market... Hmm, I seem to recall that - don't have a copy on hand, but my SF- writer-inlaws might have it stashed in their massive library. As for the "virtual vs physical state" thang, see Heinlein's FRIDAY, eh? Ric "my mother was a test-tube, my father was a knife" Carter DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] WHAT DOES COLUMBINE SAY ABOUT US?
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Bill Richer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > WHAT DOES COLUMBINE SAY ABOUT US? I once heard that there were 'mad-dog' murderers around even before there were videogames, movies, TV, cultural corruption? Is this true? DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Nazi Slaves Demand Fair Payment from German Firms
-Caveat Lector- Nazi Slaves Demand Fair Payment from German Firms Reuters 17-JUN-99 BONN, June 17 (Reuters) - Nazi-era slave workers demanded on Thursday that German firms speed up compensation negotiations and pay all former forced labourers equally rather than discriminate between those living in the West and the East. Former slave workers told a news conference that continuing delays were hurtful. "It is making me relive the terror of living in a camp," Salvtore Bertorelli, who was forced to work for a German chemical firm. The news conference was held as German Chancellery Minister Bodo Hombach, Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder's right-hand man, sat down with industry and claimants' lawyers in Bonn. The working group meeting was to discuss how to share out a compensation fund set up by 16 of Germany's biggest firms. Last week, the firms announced plans to pay work camp survivors according to whether they were slaves -- whom the Nazis intended to work to death -- or forced labourers. Earlier payments would be deducted and the final amount adjusted for cost of living differences between eastern Europe and the West. "This three-way distinction reminds me of the Nazis' separation of people into categories, sub-human and super-human," said Eduard Szobski, a Pole forced to work for Daimler-Benz AG, now DaimlerChrysler AG (DCXGn.F). The German companies also said only survivors imprisoned for more than six months would be compensated. The German support group for Nazi-era slave labourers said this plan would not give the companies immunity from new claims, which is one of the firms' and German government's main demands. Lothar Evers, head of the group, said the German government had lost sight of the key need to compensate the survivors. "Hombach is only intent on... protecting German industry against U.S. claims," Evers said. Some of Germany biggest firms, such as carmakers BMW AG (BMWG.F) and DaimlerChrysler and electronics giant Siemens AG (SIEG.F), have pledged to participate in the fund. Since the war, the German state has paid substantial sums in compensation to survivors of Nazi concentration camps, most recently those living in Eastern Europe, who until the fall of communism had not been recompensed. U.S. lawyers have submitted their own plan for how the firms' fund should be distributed. Under this plan, around 1.5 million survivors of Nazi camps would receive a quick and equal initial minimum payment, with additional compensation paid to those who suffered particular hardships. Evers said there could be no final deal until survivors without a U.S. lawyer were also represented at the talks. The working group meeting in Bonn on Thursday was the first time the sides had returned to the negotiating table since U.S. lawyers marched out of talks in Washington last week in protest against the German plan. A summit is planned for June 22. No news conference was planned for after Thursday's meeting. Copyright 1999 Reuters Limited.All rights reserved. = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF C
[CTRL] Cuckoo Over Kosovo
-Caveat Lector- Dear Brigade, "There is, strange to say, an anti-nationalist element on the right, epitomized by The Wall Street Journal, that views nation-states as obsolete and envisions a world without borders governed by free trade and market principles Whenever a group like the Serbs threatens this emerging order by putting love of country and attachment to the land above the globalist vision, it becomes necessary to bomb them to an appreciation of international harmony"... GO PAT GO Linda -- The Boston Herald June 14, 1999 Why the right went cuckoo over Kosovo By Don Feder Now that the war is over, it must be asked why so many conservatives went cuckoo over Kosovo. While such stalwarts as Pat Buchanan and House Majority Leader Tom DeLay were allied with the angels, Bill Kristol, editor of The Weekly Standard, The National Review's John O'Sullivan and the editorial pages of The Wall Street Journal enlisted in Bill Clinton's cluster-bomb crusade and clamored for a ground war. A May 13 ad in The New York Times ("Only Ground Troops Will End Ethnic Cleansing in Kosovo") saw Kristol and O'Sullivan in bed with such notorious non-thinkers as Bianca Jagger, Susan Sontag, Michael Lerner and former U.S. Rep. Stephen Solarz. The left knew exactly what it was doing. Because America has no security interests in the Balkans (making our involvement purely philanthropic), the establishment left embraced it with gusto. At the same time, the anti-war left - always suspicious of projections of American power - remained true to its 1960s roots and opposed intervention. The reaction of many on the right can only be explained as miscalculation, a tendency to see everything from a Munich-Cold War perspective and a desire to validate their humanity. They fail to understand that every tyrant isn't about to plunge the world into an inferno. "This century has taught us where unchecked aggression leads," they intoned. And if we hadn't stopped Slobo in Kosovo (his own country, lest we forget), he would have what? Gotten sassy with Montenegro? Menaced Macedonia? Intervention was the correct response to communism. Marxism had declared war on the West. Moscow, which incited and supported Third World insurgencies, had nuclear weapons and missiles. In the postwar era, the red tide surged higher and higher. While often mishandled, our involvement in Korea, Vietnam and Central America were justified in terms of national survival. Whatever else he may be, Milosevic is no threat to the West. However objectionable his methods, in trying to thwart the establishment of another Islamic republic in Europe, he was doing us a favor. When the Cold War ended, some conservatives forgot how to think strategically. Firepower should be saved for real threats (China, for instance), not wasted on conflicts that don't concern us. There is, strange to say, an anti-nationalist element on the right, epitomized by The Wall Street Journal, that views nation-states as obsolete and envisions a world without borders governed by free trade and market principles. Whenever a group like the Serbs threatens this emerging order by putting love of country and attachment to the land above the globalist vision, it becomes necessary to bomb them to an appreciation of international harmony. Finally, many conservatives are driven to prove their virtue. By supporting the bombing of Yugoslavia, they were in effect saying, "We're not heartless reactionaries, we care about suffering Albanians and are willing to commit America's military might to their succor." Throughout the Cold War, the left taunted conservatives with the accusation that they didn't really care about freedom, they just hated communism. During the Gulf War, it was said the right was willing to trade blood for oil. Kosovo gave guilty conservatives a chance to refute these charges. America doesn't rely on Kosovo's coal mines for energy. The Serbs aren't part of an international conspiracy. Other than the balderdash about the Balkans being part of Europe, which interventionists waved feebly from time to time, it was clear that Kosovo was a charity case. This appealed to conservatives desperate to prove their altruism. Some conservatives attempt to establish humanitarian credentials by supporting open borders. ("Sure we're opposed to affirmative action. But it's not because we're racists. We favor increased immigration. There's no reason for America to remain an ethnically European nation.") The same urge led others to embrace American intervention in a conflict that could not conceivably be further removed from our vital interests. Kosovo revealed a fault line on the right. On one side stand the internationalists and those who share Clinton's conviction that our armed forces are a social service agency and America must transform the world into a multicultural college campus. On the other are the nationalists who believe empir
[CTRL] Fwd: RM990617 Irish news - Thursday 17 June
Sinn Fein News for anyone interested in what is going on in Ireland Colleen IRISH NEWS ROUND-UP http://irlnet.com/rmlist/ Thursday, 17 June, 1999 1. BLOODY SUNDAY TRIBUNAL URGED TO APPEAL COURT RULING 2. Long march 3. Loyalist supremacy complex 4. Sinn Fein doubles its vote in 26-County EU elections 5. O Caolain praise for supporters 6. Fresh wave of military assaults on Chiapas villages 7. Analysis: A formidable force --- >> BLOODY SUNDAY TRIBUNAL URGED TO APPEAL COURT RULING In a ruling which has eroded public confidence in the second inquiry into the 1972 Bloody Sunday massacre, a High Court in London today ruled that 17 former soldiers should be allowed to remain anonymous when they give evidence. The soldiers are due to appear before the new Bloody Sunday Inquiry to explain their actions on the day in Derry when they shot and killed 14 peaceful nationalist protestors. The chairman of the new inquiry, Lord Saville, had previously ruled that their identities should be disclosed. The High Court ruling has been strongly criticised by the families of those killed and wounded; they said that the interest of justice had not been served. The Sinn Fein chairman described the ruling as "a significant blow". Mitchel McLaughlin said that he very much hoped that the enquiry would challenge the decision. The court ruled that the Saville Tribunal's decision was legally flawed, when it said that the ex-soldiers, mainly from the Parachute Regiment, must reveal their names when they give evidence. Last month, Lord Saville, who is chairing the three-man Tribunal of Inquiry into Bloody Sunday, ruled that the men should be named, unless there were special reasons to justify their anonymity. The British Ministry of Defence challenged Saville's ruling at a cost of over #1 million. The families of those killed and wounded on Bloody Sunday said the interest of justice had not been served. In a statement, they said that they were very disappointed that the High Court in England saw fit to intervene. They said that they would make strong representations to the enquiry to appeal the decision immediately. SMEAR CAMPAIGN In another development, families are to take legal action against a second English newspaper, which is backing the soldiers in their fight. The families have already been granted a temporary injunction against the Daily Telegraph prohibiting it from publishing libellous material about the relatives of the Bloody Sunday dead. They are also applying for a similar injunction against the Daily Mail. In the High Court in Belfast today, a lawyer for three relatives applied for the injunction against the Daily Telegraph to be made permanent. Michael Lavery, QC, said that the British Army was resisting the Saville inquiry and was being supported by the Daily Telegraph, which claimed the inquiry was a sop to the IRA. He said that the revelation that the names of five former soldiers had been given to the families was followed by the Daily Telegraph claiming that the names had been passed to the IRA and the former soldiers "were as good as dead." Their prominent involvement with the Saville inquiry was not out of vindictiveness, he said. "It is simply to get at the truth of what happened in 1972," said Mr Lavery. "Far from wishing any harm to these former soldiers, they are very anxious that no harm should come to them because that might frustrate the purpose of the inquiry." --- >> Loyalist walk to supremacy Loyalists are attempting to up the ante in the run up to Drumcree by planning a "long walk" throughout the Six Counties. Members of the Protestant Orange Order based at Drumcree have laid siege to the nationalist Garvaghy Road in Portadown since their parade was rerouted down a parallel road by the independent Parades Commission last July. Now loyalists are planning the long walk from Derry on Thursday 24 June and after making its way through Limavady, Coleraine, Ballymoney, Ballymena, Antrim, Lisburn and Lurgan arrive in Portadown in time for the participants to take part in Drumcree march on 4 July. Announcing plans for the long march at a press conference yesterday, DUP assembly member said "This is only the first stage. There will be another in September and a third sometime in the millennium." Spokesperson Jonathan Bell added: "No one should be offended if the march passes through nationalist areas". Berry recently threatened that Orangemen would walk the Garvaghy Road no matter what in a clear message that this march has more to do with unionist supremacy than civil rights. The proposed route for the march, which will also link up with feeder parades, has antagonised nationalists. Their proposed route will take them through Greysteel, the
Re: [CTRL] UKs imminent slaughter ??
-Caveat Lector- hi, I am always ready to listen to sanity in this mad world, but I do have a horrible suspicion that I'm right somewhere there - and thanks for the support there maybe I'm one of the lost Benjamite Tribe ??? The Columbine High school massacre gun control equivalent was the Dunblane primary school massacre in Scotland 2-3 years ago ... by a 'loner' with masonic connections. The immediate effect was to eradicate all guns from the people of the UK. I used to think that the UK was always several years behind the USA in terms of culture, entertainment, social trends, but you've got to hand it to Death Star UK - its ALL tightly sewn up now. In keeping with the UNESCO and WHO healthy START, healthy CITIZEN programme, social devaints a la Global 2000 will be allocated a social worker come policeman to help them determine their re-education and health needs. Homeless Bills are on the agenda at the moment, as well as a general trend in UK TV, Commercial UK MUSIC/POP to portray Mental Illness in the most biased and horrific way. The local mental Hospital has a 'patient tracking unit' - lets put it this way, it wasn't called 'out patient follow up' I would not be surprised under those circumstances to hear of someone going berserk real soon - in fact the UK introduced the new diagnosis of 'Dangerous Personality Disorder' for which diagnosis you can be locked up indefinitely. If some 'Dangerous Personality' driven to the brink of madness because of social injustice to his 'mental' disability, his benefits cut, his pension stripped under the new legislation, his mental health - perhaps manipulated by suggestions, programming and other MONARCH stuff - does snap and run amok, then the quick response will literally be LEGISLATION, TAGGING, TRACKING, and New Filing Systems - operated from some central facility considered benevolent. And unfortunately - the place I fingered Fits the Bill exactly .. :) DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Deja Vu, Deja vu?
-Caveat Lector- >From http://www.centraleurope.com/ > Budapest Backs Autonomy Plan For Serbia's Ethnic Hungarians > > BUDAPEST, Jun 17, 1999 -- (Agence France Presse) Hungarian Prime > Minister Viktor Orban said Wednesday he backs an autonomy plan > proposed by a 300,000-member ethnic Hungarian minority in Serbia, > following the Kosovo crisis. > > He called for agreement on the status of the Hungarian community in > the northern Serbian province of Vojvodina. > > "I can see a realistic chance for an accord on the situation of the > Vojvodina Hungarians as well, in the framework of the Kosovo > settlement," Orban told state radio. > > He welcomed the fact that Vojvodina Hungarians had worked out a > concrete autonomy plan. "To win the support of Western decision-makers > for these ideas is the duty and responsibility of the Hungarian > government," he said. > > Budapest has been seriously concerned about the impact of the Kosovo > crisis on the Vojvodina Hungarians. Hungary joined NATO shortly before > Operation Allied Force began on March 24. > > Vojvodina Hungrian community leader Jozsef Kasza said in Budapest last > week that the autonomy plan was jointly worked out by Vojvodina ethnic > Hungarian and Hungarian government experts. > > Orban warned that large numbers of Serb settlers could flood into the > Vojvodina after the Kosovo conflict, citing a similar effect following > the 1991-95 Bosnian war. > > "The 250,000 Serb refugees who settled there considerably spoilt the > interest-safeguarding capacity of the Vojvodina Hungarians." > > "It is a realistic danger that the events of three years ago (after > the Bosnian war) could be repeated in the Vojvodina, although in a > less dramatic form," he added. > > Ethnic Hungarians currently represent some 18 percent of the > population of the Vojvodina, a province which enjoyed considerable > autonomy before Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic scrapped it in > 1991. ((c) 1999 Agence France Presse) <> > U.S. Military Data Cartridge Found On Hungarian Trash Heap > > BUDAPEST, Jun 17, 1999 -- (Reuters) A classified U.S. military data > cartridge has been found in a scrapyard in Budapest, the U.S. embassy > in Budapest confirmed Wednesday. > > The cartridge, labeled "Secret, U.S. Government Property", was found > in a metal case closed with a digital lock, and was wrapped in a > mailbag of the U.S. Defense Department, according to news reports. > > "U.S. government property marked secret has been found," an embassy > official confirmed to AFP, declining to give further details. > > The cartridge was found by a worker in a scrapyard that collects metal > from around the Taszar airbase in southern Hungary, used by U.S. > troops. He took it to a Hungarian TV station, which passed it on to > the U.S. embassy. > > The station broadcast a report on the find, showing the Walkman-sized > silver and black cartridge, on which could also be read the > inscription "This medium is classified protected from unauthorized > disclosure in compliance with applicable executive orders, statutes > and regulations." > > The bag also contained two keys and the password necessary for > decoding the message on the Colorado DT-1000 type data cartridge, > according to the TV2 private television station. > > But experts, who estimated that the cartridge had been discarded 12-18 > months ago, said it was unlikely non-experts could retrieve the > information stored in the cartridge. > > "The person who stored the keys and the password alongside the > cartridge failed to respect the most basic rules of secrecy," expert > Janos Kis told AFP. > > The keys, which must be inserted into a special decoder, and the > secret password which must be typed in to decode the information on > the cartridge, should not be stored together, he explained. > > "But it is highly unlikely that any device used by civilians in > Hungary could decode or read the data cartridge," Kis said. > > The Taszar base has operated since 1995 as a supply base for US troops > in the International Forces (IFOR), then Stabilization Forces (SFOR) > peacekeeping forces in Bosnia. From May this year, U.S. marines used > it for bombing mission in neighboring Yugoslavia. > > The TV station involved blacked out the faces of all U.S. officials > involved, in its report on the find. ((c) 1999 Reuters) A<>E<>R ~~~ The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + A merely fallen enemy may rise again, but the reconciled one is truly vanquished. -Johann Christoph Schiller, German Writer (1759-1805) + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + It is preoccupation with possessions, more than anything else, that prevents us from living freely and nobly. -Bertrand Russell + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Everyone has the right...to
[CTRL] Mirror, Mirror
-Caveat Lector- >From www.theatlantic.com/issues/99jun/9906mirror.htm The Mirror of Dorian Gray > Mirrors never lie, they say. But how much truth do we really want? > > by Cullen Murphy > > FREUD. Durkheim. Levi-Strauss. Mead. Lorenz. Bettelheim. Spock. > Skinner. And now the Walter siblings, of Manhattan, whose names may > one day join these others on the edifice of self-understanding. John > Walter, whose background is in physics and computer science, and > Catherine Walter, whose background is in cultural anthropology, are > the progenitors of the Hair Part Theory, an exploration of > psycho-behavioral dynamics to which a friend recently drew my > attention. The Hair Part Theory states, > > > > The way a person parts [his or her] hair is related to many > subconscious associations when assessed by others. Each hair part type > initiates cycles of behavior toward, and response from, the > individual. Over time, these cycles affect personality development. > > > > The underlying premise of the Hair Part Theory is that parting one's > hair on the left calls subliminal attention to left-hemisphere brain > processes -- associated with logic, verbal acuity, and "activities > traditionally attributed to masculinity in our culture" -- and tends > to be regarded as natural for men. Similarly, parting one's hair on > the right evokes right-hemisphere processes -- associated with visual, > artistic, and musical skills, and "nonlinear tasks traditionally > attributed to femininity in our culture" -- and tends to be regarded > as natural for women. > > Discuss this article in Post & Riposte. > > More on arts & culture in The Atlantic Monthly and Atlantic Unbound. > > > Related links: > > "Hair Part Theory: What Is Your Hair Part Saying About You?", by John > Walter and Catherine Walter (1998) "The Effects of Hair Parting on > Social Appraisal and Personal Development." > > True Mirror > The official Web site of the True Mirror, hosted by John and Catherine > Walter. Features customer testimonials, press releases, the "Hair Part > Theory," and an order form. > > > I don't intend to get drawn into a debate on differences between the > sexes; the Hair Part Theory has to do with cultural perceptions, not > biological realities. The Walters' point is merely that the "wrong" > hair part can play against type, sometimes in a way that proves subtly > advantageous but more often in a way that creates vague discomfort in > onlookers and may lead to being shunned. Being shunned, in turn, may > reinforce eccentricity and other abnormal behavior. > > Margaret Thatcher's left-side part supposedly enhanced her aura of > strength and will; Hillary Clinton's left-side part seems to produce a > more brittle version of the same effect. The right-side parts of > Robert Kennedy, Laurence Olivier, Gary Cooper, and Lou Gehrig added an > intriguingly soft dimension to otherwise solid, confident personas. > But Jimmy Carter's right-side part may have reinforced perceptions of > inadequacy; he didn't switch hair-part side to the left until halfway > through his presidency -- too late. Overall, six American Presidents > maintained right-side parts throughout their term in office; three of > them (James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, and Warren G. Harding) are > deemed by historians to be among our worst, and two others (John Tyler > and Chester Arthur) are deemed to be inconsequential. (The sixth was > Ronald Reagan.) Bill Clinton's brushed-back coiffure defies rigid > analysis, but manifests a "right emphasis." Other well-known > right-parters: Major Frank Burns, of M*A*S*H; John Tesh; MAD > magazine's Alfred E. Neuman; Al Gore; Macaulay Culkin; Regis Philbin. > In the movies Clark Kent parts his hair on the right. Appropriately, > Superman parts his hair on the left. > > The origins of the Hair Part Theory lie in John Walter's adolescence, > when he remedied a seemingly intractable deficiency in social standing > by the simple expedient of changing his hair part from right to left. > Simultaneously, Walter experienced an epiphany regarding the insidious > role played by the common household mirror, which had shown him in > reverse all those years. > > Moved by his experience, Walter embarked on a crusade to create a > mirror that would show objects not in reverse but as they actually > appear to observers -- an effect one sometimes encounters accidentally > through a freak alignment of mirrors in a hotel bathroom. A patent for > a nonreversing mirror had in fact been issued in England, in 1887; an > actual prototype has never been found and may never have been made. > Walter tackled the problem anew. The result is the True Mirror, which > "shows you what you look like to others" and thus "allows you to gain > an accurate sense of yourself." > > * * * > > > Not long ago, finding myself in New York City, where the Walter > siblings have set up a workshop, I decided to buy a True Mirror. The > workshop fronted on a dark alley a block or so of
[CTRL] Hack-tivism
-Caveat Lector- >From Christian Science Monitor > FRIDAY, JUNE 18, 1999 > > e-mail this story to a friend > > > USA > > Newest tool for social protest: the Internet > > Crashing Web sites, known as 'hactivism,' gains popularity, angers > traditional activists > > Paul Van Slambrouck > Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor > > SAN FRANCISCO > > > > When the industrial powers and Russia start their annual summit in > Cologne, Germany, today, protesters will ride bikes in London, perform > street theater in Chile, and manipulate a giant puppet in San > Francisco. > > Pretty much the usual stuff when the G-8 gathers. But on the fringes > of this worldwide protest against the forces of "corporate > globalization" is something new. > > It's the fledgling field of "hactivism," which blends Internet > technology with the social protest producing new tools and methods > that are not only annoying their targets - usually government and > institutional Web sites - but also the ranks of traditional activists. > > Ricardo Dominguez is a leading proponent of hactivism and his New > York-based Electronic Disturbance Theater plans to conduct what he > calls a "virtual sit-in" today at the same as the global protests > against the G-8. > > Mr. Dominguez's target is the Mexican government and its treatment of > the people of Chiapas. Those who want to join the sit-in are > encouraged to download free software that allows computers to > repeatedly call up a Mexican government Web site, thus overloading its > server and impairing its ability to function. > > CHIAPAS: Hactivists, protesting Mexico's treatment of > Zapatistas (shown), are overloading the government Web site. SCOTT > SADY/AP/FILE > -- > -- > > > In addition, the theater's "electronic civil disobedience" will > include a function so participants can ask the government Web site to > do a search for "truth," presumably to tie it up further and make the > symbolic point that the government is lying about the Zapatistas. > > "Our intent is disturbance. We want to slow [the Web site] down and > make them aware that there is a large community worldwide that knows > what they're doing," says Dominguez. > > Hactivists are a different breed from pure hackers, who invade > computer systems usually out of mischief or to demonstrate > vulnerabilities. But as the tools of hackers become more widely > available, people with political objectives are increasingly using > them and the Internet to attack their enemies. > > The backdrop to this activism is an exploding use of the Internet by > social movements. Because it can reach more people, more rapidly and > less expensively than other forms of communication, the Internet is > revolutionizing the way activists organize campaigns. > > But hactivists like Dominguez are continually searching for more > potent uses of today's technology to make a statement. He's an actor > and artist and sees his form of electronic civil disobedience as akin > to traditional uses of street theater to call attention to social > problems. > > However, many social activists are either ambivalent or downright > hostile toward this new form of protest. > > "I think it's idiotic," says Ted Lewis, director of the Mexico program > at the Global Exchange, a social-justice group based in San Francisco. > "The problem with this tool, this use of the Internet, is that it's > not constructive. To simply close down a Web site is not good Internet > etiquette and if it gets turned around, it'll hurt free speech on the > Internet." > > The Electronic Disturbance Theater is not alone in disrupting Web > sites. During the height of NATO's attacks on Yugoslavia, for > instance, the official NATO Web site was bombarded with requests meant > to overload it. Dominguez says a group of Serbs and Albanians used EDT > software for attacks on the NATO site. > > David Ronfeldt, a Rand specialist in the use of technology to support > the Zapatistas in Mexico, says the flooding and defacing of Web sites > is clearly on the rise. But it is difficult to know which are truly > organized political acts and which are just lone acts of vandalism. > > Further, he says, "it remains to be seen whether they become an > effective or divisive force" within leftist protest circles. > > Harry Cleaver at the University of Texas in Austin has studied the use > of the Internet and social movements and concludes that the kind of > actions espoused by EDT have been widely shunned by social activists > of all stripes. Though it has gained some favor in Italy, attacking > Web sites is not generally being embraced as a legitimate protest > tactic, he says. > > Some activists see room for attacks on Web sites, but only when it's > part of a strategy with a clear purpose. "Who does it support? That's > the key question," says Bob Schmitt, a manager of the Technology > Project in Helena, Mont. > > Dominguez says his grou
Re: [CTRL] WHY WHITES ARE LEADERLESS [media lords] get educated b4 it's too late!
-Caveat Lector- I think that you have a serious problem sir. You confuse deliberate machinations of government with its victims. Keep your prejudice. Looking for Scapegoats is the Classic occupation of the impotent. Andrew Hennessey DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Ohio OBM '97 CAFR Page
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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #3
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990617c - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : No envenomed reptiles were utilized during production of this bulletin. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # BRAIN SURGERY SANS SCALPEL. New imaging technology and gamma-radiation treatments could make the surgical skull saw as obsolete as leeches. www.wired.com/news/news/email/explode-infobeat/technology/story/20273.html # Why size mattered for Einstein. (BBC) The secret of Einstein's immense intellect may finally have been found - his brain was wider than average. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_371000/371698.stm : Would you have liked to have operated on Einstein's brain? Would you use a scalpel, laser, raygun? Why are they squelching news of his alien implant? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ THE ORGANIZATION PLAN. "One can still ask, all other things being equal, or else in the long run, or else on the average, what form of organization of human groups is best? ...I propose to try to learn from human history. Human history over the last 13,000 years comprises tens of thousands of dif- ferent experiments. Each human society represents a different natural exper- iment in organizing human groups. Human societies have been organized very differently, and the outcomes have been very different. Some societies have been much more productive and innovative than others. What can we learn from these natural experiments of history that will help us all get rich? I prop- ose to go over two batches of natural experiments that will give you ins- ights into how to get rich." www.feedmag.com/essay/es227_master.html?alert : Would you rather be judged for success on your wealth, power, technology, lack of alien interventions, spiritual achievements, sex appeal, meanness? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # US House OKs posting of Ten Commandments. WASHINGTON (AP) Congress, trying to deter juvenile crime, voted to permit display of the Ten Commandments in schools as lawmakers headed toward a showdown on gun control. One law- maker, Rep. Bob Barr, R-Ga., said recently that if the Ten Commandments had been posted at Columbine High School, the April 20 massacre there would never have happened. The amendment's sponsor didn't go that far. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559972451-987 : Is Barr a moron? If politicos can lie, steal, adulterize, kill, why can't kids? Do your belief system's rules affect your behavior? Always? Are alien implants or HAARP more effective than the various versions of commandments? Do you prefer Jewish, Christian, Protestant, Adventist, Discordian versions? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Free To Duel, Drink, Beg & Blaspheme. ROME (Reuters) Italians are finally free to duel, insult the flag, get drunk or beg nastily without fear of criminal conviction. The parliament of this bureaucratic Roman Catholic country passed a law decriminalizing some 100 minor offenses, including blasphemy and insulting a public official. Drunkenness and "insulting behaviour" toward the deceased are no longer crimes, while offering to ghost-write a student's thesis and "incitement to libertinism" no longer carry prison terms. http://news.excite.com/news/r/990617/10/odd-crimes : Does your belief system ban these behaviours? Do you follow the rules? Do you pay more attention to secular, holy or moral laws? What do the voices in your head tell you? Are they louder when you're drunk? What public official will you insult, now that it's no longer illegal? Will you duel, beg, fart? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Bigfoot Community Living In Ohio Forest, Say Locals. "I have seen the creature nine times," Gilbert said. "I have been in situations that have nearly scared me to death." http://www.jeffrense.com/ufo4/bigfootcom.htm # Dead-Looking Snakes Can Strike Back. BOSTON (Reuters) - Rattlesnakes can take revenge on those who attack'em even if their heads have been chopped off and they appear to be dead. www.jeffrense.com/ufo4/snakeback.htm : Would you rather deal with a live Yeti or a dead rattlesnake? Do rattlers or bigfeet live in your community? Which're more bothersome? Are you biased? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Protestants arrested in Mexico. SAN CRISTOBAL DE LAS CASAS, Mexico (AP) - 13 Protestants who angered residents of an Indian village in south Mexico by trying to build a new church have been arrested. The arrests were yet another episode in a long history of religious conflict in the Chiapas region. Many residents see their unique mixture of Catholicism and traditional Maya Indian beliefs as crucial to cultural survival. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559963470-1c6 : Does your belief system promote cultural genocide? Which cultures would you like to destroy? Do you need help from Reptoids, Bilderbergers, CIA, m
[CTRL] Billionaires
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message - Citation: Forbes Oct 13 1997, v160, n8, p148(2) Author: Conlin, Michelle Title: When billionaires become a dime a dozen. (includes related article on criteria used to determine the Forbes 400)(Forbes 400) by Michelle Conlin COPYRIGHT 1997 Forbes Inc. FIFTEEN YEARS AGO we started compiling these lists of the 400 richest Americans. In 1982 we identified 13 Americans as billionaires. This year we count 170 billionaires. Over the same period the price of admission to The Forbes Four Hundred has quintupled, to $475 million. It would seem that wealth is following a sort of Moore's Law of its own. Intel's Gordon Moore predicted that silicon power would double every 18 months. If wealth isn't compounding at that rate, it certainly is growing at a faster clip than at any other time in history. Last year, on average, Bill Gates' net worth grew by an astounding $400 million every week. Michael Dell's net worth increased fivefold, to $5.5 billion. But computer magnates aren't the only people benefiting from the Silicon Revolution. As we report elsewhere (see p. 98) people in businesses far removed from computer making and designing are building success by applying computers to mundane businesses. Financial services entrepreneurs also made big gains, backing up Peter Drucker's claim that the retail end of finance will become increasingly important. This year we add three newcomers from that field: Sanford Weill of the Travelers Group, Richard Strong of Strong Capital Management and Julian Robertson of Tiger Management. Irene Pennington, at 97, becomes the oldest new member in the history of The Four Hundred. And one of the feistiest, too. Nine months before the death of her husband, oil baron Doc Pennington, the nonagenarian took control of the family fortune, promptly fired his cronies and smartly reinvested his $600 million, much of which was thought to have been languishing in local checking accounts. Though the stock market boomed and technology soared, economist Joseph Schumpeter's rule of creative destruction still prevailed. The very factors that made new enterpreneurs rich swept older entrepreneurs from their perches. "Some of the wealthy can't stand success," says original Silicon Valley seed-money man Arthur Rock. "They squander away their assets with bad investments." Thus 43 of last year's 400 were put out of the club this year. Of 1982's original 400, only 106 remain on the list. Membership seesaws, too. Rock himself fell off the 400 in 1987 but returns this year, largely on the strength of his Intel holdings. Also returning, thanks to Walt Disney Co.'s compensation committee: option- supercharged Michael Eisner. When he announced that he planned to give $1 billion to United Nations programs, media magnate Ted Turner said he was deliberately demoting himself on the list. Until we see the exact color of Ted's money, however, we are leaving our estimate of his wealth at $3.5 billion and leaving him in 28th place. If he really does fork over $1 billion in cash or stock, he'll drop down to the 55th spot. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #3
-Caveat Lector- Well they are going to post the Ten Commandmantsthey should begin in the congress and the Federal Buildings Start with the IRS; I usualy make the sign of the cross when I go in thereand I assure you they are san humour, san pit, sans everything.. Let us all insist the sign of the Cross be placed upon the entrance to the IRSor the sign of the Mojoeither one would be appropriate. Loved that story Rick. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Milocevic, take a bow.
-Caveat Lector- > I don't think that Milocevic wishes to start any wars. Why would you suggest that he wished to start them? Do you have evidence that it was he that started these wars? In one sense, NATO started this war in '91 when it recognized Slovenia and Croatia, thereby touching off the Yugolavian Civil War. In another sense, the IMF started this war when they crashed the Yugoslav economy. Before the IMF yanked the rug out, Yugoslavs got along with each other just fine, even with the ones who raped grandma and burned her alive, because it was of direct economic advantage of each and every one of them to do so. They were all living better that they did when they fought, some very much better. But in yet another sense, Milosovic started this war because before the IMF yanked the rug out, long before he was president, he was chief among the FRY bureaucrats who made the deal that let the IMF get its grip on the edge of the rug in the first place. But to hear network news tell it, the war was started three months ago by "the Serbs," by which they mean "Milosovic" and not "the Serbian people" who NATO has been murdering wholesale but "has nothing against" because their beef is "with Milosovic," whom they are distinctly not murdering. The Serbian people, BTW, are only about 60% ethnic Serb. "War," as the man said, "is peace." "The past was erased, the erasure was forgotten, the lie became truth." "Ignorance is strength." "Freedom is slavery." Oh yeah, and (I almost forgot), "Work makes you free." DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Milocevic, take a bow.
-Caveat Lector- >Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Kosova. Yugoslav/Serb troops and paramilitaries attack, and eventually lose. Slobby controls those troops, ergo, Slobby started and lost the wars. Virginia, Georgia, North and South Carolina, Alabama. Union/Yankee troops and paramilitaries attack, and eventually win. Lincoln controls those troops, ergo, Lincoln started and won the war. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Milocevic, take a bow.]
-Caveat Lector- >hunt up *Gladiator at Law* by Frederik Pohl and C.M. Kornbluth--long out of print, but VERY relevant to our discussions. Note especially the role of the Struldbrugs in manipulating the market... Check out by Hakim Bey. It's in print. It's the definitive study of the Temporary Autonomous Zone, in history and today. Most relevant. Very inspirational. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] *NEW*revelation by klintoon former bodyguard, L.D.Brown [London Times]
-Caveat Lector- CIA 'tried to buy IRA ceasefire' by Phelim AcAleer and Kevin Dowling A FORMER member of Bill Clinton's security staff has alleged that the American government backed a Central Intelligence Agency scheme to buy off the IRA to encourage a ceasefire in Northern Ireland. L Douglas Brown, a former Arkansas state trooper and CIA contractor, claims in his new book Crossfire http://209.207.145.74/crossfire/ that the plan involved the establishment of electronics factories near the border to provide jobs for nationalists and channel money to the terrorist organisation. Brown also claims he was offered a well-paid job in the project as an inducement not to give evidence against Clinton in the investigation being conducted by Kenneth Starr, the special prosecutor. The illicit funding claim was denied yesterday by Ken Livingstone, the Labour MP, who was a consultant to the scheme. But the left-wing MP for Brent East in London did corroborate key parts of Brown's story about the project, which was to use Russian satellite technology to develop mobile telephones. The plan was abandoned in 1996, after five years of secret planning and research, because of technical difficulties. Nancy Soderberg, formerly Clinton's key adviser on Ireland, was also involved. According to Brown's account, he was approached in 1996 by John McBrearty, a wealthy businessman who has close links to the American government and its agencies. Brown claims he was offered $300,000 to join Geosys, a firm controlled by McBrearty. He says he refused, because he believed it was a bid to dissuade him from giving evidence on Clinton's womanising. In the book he reproduces a written job offer from McBrearty, which said that Geosys would build a number of large factories south of the border. It added: "What we are looking at here is jobs for the boys in exchange for a ceasefire, the peace process and a diplomatic triumph for the US." Brown says McBrearty had made it clear the plan was a two-edged sword - to provide jobs for nationalists and secretly fund the IRA. He declined the offer and subsequently made a number of accusations against Clinton, for whom he worked until 1992. Livingstone said this weekend that Brown's account distorted the Geosys project and denied that it was an attempt to channel funds to the IRA. The MP said he was approached by McBrearty because he had contacts in Ireland and in Russia. He said the plan was to build seven 60,000 sq ft factories, so as to create jobs in areas of high unemployment and remove one of the causes of conflict. McBrearty, who had an office at Pembroke Road, Dublin, wanted to create a mobile phone which would rely entirely on redundant Russian satellites to process calls. This would reduce the cost of phone calls as they would not be reliant on terrestrial lines. It would also make them immune from interference by governments. According to Livingstone, the scheme was in an advanced stage before it was shelved. The Russian defence ministry had given permission for its redundant satellites to be used. He said the project had huge potential. "They would have sold millions and the business was to be set up as a non-profit corporation with me as chairman. All the profits were to be ploughed into projects such as UN disaster relief and to alleviate famines," he said. "It was a peace phone. It means you can phone anybody in the world who has a similar phone without the state interfering or blocking it." The software was to have been created in Russia and the equipment assembled in Ireland. Livingstone said the American government offered to provide the necessary start-up capital. "The Clinton White House had agreed to put up between $100m and $150m. The link with them was Soderberg. It was made clear there would be no problem getting money from the White House," he said. Soderberg, now an American ambassador at the United Nations, was Clinton's main adviser on Ireland at the time. "Initially there would have been tens of thousands of jobs and then hundreds of thousands and these would all be people with good jobs who would then, it was hoped, put the war behind them. In the end the technology wasn't advanced enough," Livingstone said. McBrearty put a deposit on planes he would need to transport the material from Russia before the project collapsed. The American brought a prototype of the phone to Britain. Livingstone said: "He came to my house in north London and we set it up in my back garden and pointed it towards the Russian satellite, which is due south. I phoned Tony Benn and got through. Then I phoned a friend in Canada and it blew every electrical gadget in my house." Soderberg declined to comment on the claims but a senior White House source said the project would have been exactly the kind of initiative the Clinton administration would have wanted to promote. http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/99/05/02/stiireire02003.html?99 9 Bard Visit me at: The Center for Ex
[CTRL] "CROSSFIRE" by L. D. Brown [former klintoon bodyguard] gotta read this!
-Caveat Lector- (Note: L.D. Brown was the guest of Ray Briem Talk Show tonight, 5-7PM Pacific, 870AM KIEV, Glendale-Los Angeles, and listened, on my way home from work, to Mr. Brown being interviewed by Mr. Briem.) WOW! What a show! Witness in the Clinton Investigation BY L.D. BROWN Now subject to news coverage in the London Sunday Times with its revelation of a covert White House operation in Northern Ireland. GO TO: http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/99/05/02/stiireire02003.html?99 9 L.D. Brown has been a witness to almost all the alleged offenses circling around Bill Clinton in Arkansas: misuse of state funds for sexual liaisons, Whitewater, illegal campaign fundraising and bribery, as well as cocaine use and cocaine smuggling. And through his ultimate cooperation with prosecutors and congressional investigators, Brown has learned the inside story on Robert Fiske's and Kenneth Starr's operations and on congressional hearings. But most of all, L.D. Brown can tell the story of the methods used by the Clinton White House to control potentially damaging witnesses. Most of what is written in this book has been told under penalty of perjury to investigators for Congress and the Office of Independent Counsel. Documentation for many events has been included in an appendix. However incredible some details may seem, they are backed up by evidence. When the investigation of President Clinton started, Brown came under fire from both sides: from the Clintonistas who wanted him to keep his mouth shut and from the "Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy" who wanted him to say what they wanted to hear. With this book he returns the fire--in both directions. This book will answer the questions: What did the C. I. A. know about cocaine smuggling at Mena, Arkansas, and when did it know it? What did Bill Clinton know about cocaine smuggling at Mena, Arkansas? Who was Brown sent to assassinate in Mexico? What is the secret relationship between Bill Clinton and George Bush? What is the relationship between Mike Wallace and the C. I. A.? What Democrat U.S. Senator overheard the President threatening to "sick the I.R.S." on L.D. Brown? What Republican U.S. Senator promised L.D. Brown a job in return for cooperation? What clandestine operation of the White House National Security Council was aimed at diverting revenues from food aid to support the Irish Republican Army? What two specific intelligence jobs was L.D. Brown offered by the White House in return for his silence? Who asked Brown to collaborate with James Carville and for what purpose? >From whom did Brown collect money as Bill Clinton's "bag man"? How did Brown end up receiving money from the "Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy"? What White House employee, other than Monica Lewinsky, was transferred to the Pentagon when her affair with the President was revealed in court? Excerpts from Crossfire: * * * "The Boca Raton Resort had several bars which were first class and full of patrons. With the conference being over, Bill felt a little more at ease in the hotel, not fearing being seen drunk or womanizing by any of the other governors. We met a couple of people in the bar and Bill stepped out for a few minutes, long enough for me to become concerned. As I went to look for him, I first checked the bathroom. I called his name but got no answer. Just as I was about to leave, I saw his number 13s protruding from under one of the stalls. 'Bill, are you okay?' I asked, knowing there couldn't be another foot that big in Boca Raton. 'Yeah, yeah L. D., these damned sinuses are killing me!' As I retreated to the bar, I realized what was going on. Bill knew that with my prior experiences in drug enforcement I didn't tolerate illicit drug use--particularly 'nose candy.'" * * * "'C'mon, L. D., let's go take a leak,' the Senator commanded as Justin and I got up from the table. An aide of the Senator also got up. He apparently never went anywhere without a staff person. We walked to the rest room while the Senator had his arm around my neck. I was beginning to think that he liked me a little too much and was wondering if I might have to tell him that I peed alone when we got inside. What happened next I have never told for the public record before this. I am glad my lawyer was there as I'm sure he'll be by my side when I tell it again." * * * Publication of the book has taken more than a year because several publishers, who started negotiations on publication, later withdrew from the project. The charges made in the book against members of both sides of the political aisle are explosive. To get the book out despite its allegations against prominent political figures, L. D. Brown has had to contract its publication himself. Publication date: April 23, 1999. Now shipping. Orders Accepted Now: A special 20% discount on the list price of $14.95 is offered on all orders placed through this web site. T
[CTRL] Covert White House Operation in Northern Ireland
-Caveat Lector- L.D. Brown: Crossfire: Witness in the Clinton Investigation In this memoir, the former Clinton employee for the first time tells the full story of what really happened in Arkansas, how it was covered up, and why the Office of Independent Counsel has done nothing about it. He also reveals the efforts of the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" to enlist him for their cause. (296 pages. Published April 1999) Order your copy today! | See other books/videos for sale. Covert White House Operation in Northern Ireland Former Intelligence Operative Reveals Airplanes-for-Food Scheme By MARVIN LEE While in public mediating as a neutral arbitrator between the two sides of the conflict in Northern Ireland, the White House has run a covert operation aimed at supporting one side financially. That revelation was made last week by a former intelligence operative who was asked to join the operation in 1997. L.D. Brown in his new book "Crossfire," released last week, recounts how that offer was made to him at 2 a.m. on a bus in the English countryside by an intelligence operative by the name of T. John McBrearty. "He would fly in food to the former Soviet states and in return he would receive airplane parts. At times, he said, he would receive entire airplanes like an intact Sukhoi-29 fighter which he said he had flown to Ireland where he maintained an office," Brown writes of McBrearty, who proceeded to outline who was behind the operation: "You know L. D., we could use a man like you in this operation," he said, as I was now leaning toward him to catch every word. Going deeper, he asked me, "You know what a proprietary is don't you?" I knew that after I had flown on the airplane trips with [Barry] Seal and the subsequent Iran-Contra hearings that proprietaries were the cutout fake airline companies C. I. A. set up to facilitate their business. I was waiting for the other shoe to drop, or maybe the gun to go off. Here I was in the middle of the English countryside, alone with a guy who had obviously been sent by the C. I. A. to get me involved in another operation--and Bill Clinton was involved in some way. The connection to Bill Clinton and the White House would become more obvious to Brown through the names of some involved in the operation, including Clinton financial backer Jackson Stephens: I would soon learn that it would also be an attempt to keep me out of the country. John said I would accompany him on airplane trips out of the country as well. He told me he would soon be flying to Brazzaville, Congo with a load of food for example. "You've heard of Southern Air Transport?" he asked, again knowing my answer. "Sure, in Florida," I answered, familiar with S. A. T. having been a C. I. A. proprietary. "Well, I fly some of these airplane parts to Florida. You know, Jack Stephens buys some of them, and we go on from there." He was referring to Jackson Stephens the billionaire Clinton supporter at whose house I had met John Glenn. But there was more. "L. D., a lady by the name of Nancy Soderberg is involved in this. She works for Clinton as an adviser on Northern Ireland," he explained, as the machinations of how the operation worked began to unfold. John told me of a plant that makes electronic equipment in Ireland near the border with Northern Ireland. Being familiar with the 'troubles' between the Northern Protestants and the Catholic Irish Republicans, I realized what he was saying. The goal was to provide employment to the Irish near the border who were sympathetic to the Irish Republicans. The money made from the airplane trips would fund these activities. He told me Soderberg would soon be leaving her position and would be focusing on the operation. Nancy Soderberg was at the time deputy staff director at the White House National Security Council. But McBrearty had a more immediate role for Brown: "I want you to call James Carville and work with him to get the intelligence agencies off our ass." L.D. Brown, who at the time was studying for a Ph.D. in England and was looking for a job, considered the offer for a while and stayed in contact with McBrearty. Brown consulted friends, some knowledgeable in the field of intelligence, for advice. They warned him of potential hidden motives for getting him involved in the operation. Through those consultations, however, part of the story leaked to the press causing Brown to fear potential consequences to him and his family. R. Emmett Tyrrell, editor of the American Spectator, wrote of a $300,000 offer to L. D. Brown from the Clinton administration, without revealing details of the offer. Those details have not been revealed until the release of Brown's book last week. [L. D. Brown's book "Crossfire," released Friday of last week, is available from http://crossfirebook.com (not ava
[CTRL] Fwd: (en) 'WE WON'T GO TO KOSOVO' - The Movement of Draft Refusal and Desertion i
-Caveat Lector- A - I N F O S N E W S S E R V I C E http://www.ainfos.ca/ Introduction The sudden appearance of working class resistance to the war effort in central Serbia in late May should be an inspiration to proletarians in all the war-affected countries. In the immediate term it probably wonit be, but we owe it to our class brothers and sisters in this region to spread the spirit of their struggle as best we can. The conscript soldiers who deserted, their relatives and other proletarians who have physically attacked the media and local government (and even the occasional general!) showed an admirable lack of patriotism, a real spirit of defeatism - they showed that they literally didnit care if itheiri country was invaded by foreign troops. They didn't merely quibble about the rate of killings but stated loudly and clearly that they wanted the war to end and for all conscripts to return from the front. The following chronology takes its information from two main sources. The first is the Montenegrin daily newspaper Vijesti (iNewsi). This is the original source of almost all the news stories which have appeared in the Western press. Like most newspapers these days it has a web site: http://www.vijesti.cg.yu which contains all the main stories. Itis only in Serbo-Croat. The second is the web site iFree Serbia - other voices from Serbiai (http://www.xs4all.nl/cfreeserb/eyewitness/e-30031999.html) which is produced by Serbian democratic oppositionists. They claim to have a Krusevac correspondent. Their accounts seem to tally pretty well with the accounts in Vijesti. The articles are available in Serbo-Croat and English. Bits of information have also been gleaned from Serbian newspapers which have web sites, notably Vreme (the well-known oppositionist weekly magazine from Belgrade) and Nezavisna Svetlost from Kragujevac. The media record of this movement seems to cease on 25 May. Does this mean it was completely crushed by state repression? PossiblyO If anyone has any further information, please let us know. At the moment there is only information about the repression following the movement. Three reservists have been sentenced to four years in jail by a military tribunal in Nis. A further 24 are under investigation. The movement seemed to be centred on two towns in central Serbia: Krusevac and the much smaller Aleksandrovac, which are only about 20km apart. To a lesser extent it seems to have spread over a much wider region. The other towns definitely affected were: Raska, Prokuplje, Kraljevo, Baljevac, Vranje, Vrnjacka Banja. We can be sure there were others. It is hard to say if it had much of an impact on the working class in the rest of Serbia. Naturally, the official national Serbian media said very little about the main events of the movement, but could not avoid mentioning that desertion and anti-war demos had happened. The main political parties even made press statements about it. Itis certain that some people in Belgrade heard about it directly - from telephone calls from relatives and, more importantly, from soldiers returning from leave - but they were only a small minority of the population. It must not be forgotten that when the cycle of war began in Yugoslavia in 1991 central Serbia was a region where there were many collective revolts by conscript soldiers. The biggest, which involved 7000 reservists refusing to move from their army base, was in Kragujevac which is about 50km North West of Krusevac. It is also a region where there have been numerous strikes by industrial workers against the conditions of austerity brought about by war, including in munitions factories and other sectors of industry directly involved in war production. Throughout the almost continuous state of war which has existed in Serbia since 1991 there has always been a high level of draft-dodging and insubordination on the part of conscripts. This partly explains why Milosevic has had to make so much use of mercenaries, local nationalist militias and gangster warlords (such as Arkan) for his military adventures, rather than the regular Yugoslav Army (VJ). It is also a major reason for the "neutral" position taken by the Montenegrin government during the NATO assault - according to a parliamentary resolution of June 1998, the Montenegrin state is obliged to prevent the use of Montenegrin territory by the VJ in the event of "military actions by the international community". The level of draft dodging in Montenegro has been even higher than in Serbia. In Niksic in February 1999 around 600 men were called up over a few days , only 5 or 6 responded! Opposition to the VJ has often taken a very public form. In February 1999 the family of a soldier killed in Kosovo placed an announcement in Montenegro's largest circulation daily newspaper Pobjeda denouncing "failed politics" as "the reason that the
[CTRL] Thank goodness for the Line-Item Veto!
-Caveat Lector- House approves school display of Ten Commandments By DAVID ESPO The Associated Press 06/17/99 10:13 PM Eastern WASHINGTON (AP) -- Searching for a way to curb youth violence, the House approved legislation Thursday night permitting the Ten Commandments to be posted in schools and other state and local facilities and moved toward a showdown over gun control. The vote was 287-139 for the anti-violence measure, which includes a variety of get-tough provisions related to juvenile crime as well as the declaration permitting states to display the Biblical commandments. Critics said that measure was unconstitutional, but its sponsor, Rep. Robert Aderholt, R-Ala., countered that it would "promote morality and work toward an end of children killing children." Earlier, in a second victory for the entertainment industry in as many days, the House rejected a proposal to require labeling of violent content in entertainment products such as video games. For the second night in a row, lawmakers worked late into the evening fashioning their response to shootings at a Colorado high school and elsewhere. Repeatedly, lawmakers in both parties lamented cases of "children killing children." Other provisions in the bill would toughen penalties for juvenile offenders, make it easier to try some juveniles as adults and require federal prosecutors to devote increased time and money to pursuing gun-related crimes. The legislation envisions the federal government spending $1.5 billion over the next three years in grants to states to help combat juvenile crime. In addition, the measure explicitly permits religious symbols to be included in the design of a memorial on any public school campus to commemorate anyone slain there. That provision was offered by Rep. Thomas Tancredo, a Colorado Republican who represents the area where this spring's shootings occurred. Passage led immediately to debate of a companion bill on gun control, the focus of a pitched political battle between the forces of the White House and gun control on one side and the National Rifle Association on the other. "We lost more kids yesterday because of school violence than we lost in Kosovo and Bosnia put together the last three years," said Democratic Leader Dick Gephardt of Missouri, citing statistics that show 13 children die each day because of youth violence. Earlier, Gephardt paid grudging respect to the work of the NRA. "I'm in admiration of what they're able to do," he said at a news conference, referring to an organization that has poured an estimated $14 million into political campaigns in the past decade. "You've got members (of Congress) who are looking at a big independent expenditure that can be run against them, at votes that can be implemented against them" if they defy the organization's wishes, he added. For its part, the NRA issued a letter to members of the House detailing its position on a variety of proposed amendments. It said it "very strongly supports" a provision advanced by Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich., which it said "does not include any gun control provisions." Dingell's proposal would curtail existing requirements for sales at gun shows, partly by redefining a gun show, and partly by giving the government only 24 hours to complete a background check, rather than the current three business days. An alternative, backed by the White House, would retain the provisions approved by the Senate last month. They would require mandatory background checks for all purchases at gun shows, closing what supporters said was a loophole left in the 1993 Brady Bill. In addition, votes were expected on proposals to require that a safety device be sold with all handguns, to raise the minimum age for purchase of a handgun from 18 to 21 and to ban the importation of high capacity ammunition clips. Lawmakers and aides in both parties agreed the outcome was virtually impossible to predict, and that in the end, it was possible that nothing would command a majority on final passage. As an indication of the uncertainty, Dingell told reporters that even if his NRA-backed gun show proposal passed, he would probably oppose final passage of the measure if it contained any other gun control provision. Even if those additional provisions fail in the House, he said "I might" vote against his own bill on final passage. The vote on the Ten Commandments was largely along party lines, with 203 Republicans and 45 Democrats in favor and 164 Democrats, one independent and 15 Republicans against. Aderholt said the commandments "represent the very cornerstone of Western civilization and the basis of our legal system here in America." But Rep. Robert Scott, D-Va., countered that the proposal sought "to elevate one particular religion over all others," an effort that he said was "blatantly unconstitutional." The Supreme Court struck down a Kentucky state law that required posting the Ten Commandments in every public school classroom, ruling
Re: [CTRL] Milocevic, take a bow.
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: nessie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Kosova. Yugoslav/Serb troops > >and paramilitaries attack, and eventually lose. Slobby controls those > >troops, ergo, Slobby started and lost the wars. > > Virginia, Georgia, North and South Carolina, Alabama. Union/Yankee > troops and paramilitaries attack, and eventually win. Lincoln controls > those troops, ergo, Lincoln started and won the war. Who's Milocevic working for? Who pays him to lose? Who was Lincoln working for? Who paid him to win? Nobody here faces the point: Milocevic has presided over the dismemberment of Yugoslavia, the emasculation of Serbia, and he's done so with great effort. Why? Who benefits? DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] SNOW JOB: THE CIA, COCAINE, AND BILL CLINTON Part 2: The Money Trail
-Caveat Lector- How the CIA laundered millions in drug profits from Mena and paid for Clinton's 1992 election campaign. http://www.esotericworldnews.com/snowjob1.htm Bard Visit me at: The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm Federal Government defined: a benefit/subsidy protection racket! DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Thank goodness for the Line-Item Veto!
-Caveat Lector- William Shannon wrote: House approves school display of Ten Commandments By DAVID ESPO WASHINGTON (AP) -- Searching for a way to curb youth violence, the House approved legislation Thursday night permitting the Ten Commandments to be posted in schools and other state and local facilities and moved toward a showdown over gun control. The line-item veto is unconstitutional. Why would you imply ITS use anyhow? This entire exercise is UNCONSTITUTIONAL, but then few truly give a shit about the Constitution and its plainly written limitations. Regard$, --MJ An unconstitutional act is not a law; it confers no rights; it imposes no duties; it affords no protection; it creates no office; it is, in legal contemplation, as inoperative as though it had never been passed. -- Norton v. Shelby, 118 US 425, 442 (1886). Congress cannot, under pretext of executing delegated power, pass laws for the accomplishment of objects not entrusted to the Federal Government. -- Linder v. US, 268 US 5, 17 (1925). No doctrine can be sound that releases a legislature from the control of a constitution. ...although always liable to be altered by the people who formed it, [it] is not alterable by any other authority; certainly not by those chosen by the people to carry it into effect. This is so vital a principle, and has been so justly the pride of our popular government, that a denial of it cannot possibly last long or spread far. -- James Madison (1825) DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: AANEWS for Thursday, June 17, 1999
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: CobolMage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >HOUSE APPROVES TEN COMMANDMENTS DISPLAY IN STATES <...> > Legislators divided sharply over Aderholt's proposal. Ten > Commandments supporter Rep. Bob Barr (R-GA) said recently that had > the Decalogue been displayed at Columbine High School, the shootings > there in April would not have occurred. Is Barr a total moron? If the Constitution is posted in schools, does that prevent treason? Does the decalogue prevent sin? If politicians can lie and steal and adulterize and bring death down on humanity, why can't schoolkids? Should Barr ad Hyde, those adulterous hypocrites, be stoned to death by angry mobs? > Democrats like Rep. Jerrold Nadler of New York, though, warned that > the proposal excluded millions of Americans, and asked, "Whose Ten > Commandments? The Christian version, the Protestant version or the > Jewish version? They're different, you know." Don't the Adventists and Discordians have their own versions too? Do Orthodox and Catholic versions differ? What about the Klingon version? Will schools get to choose which versions to post? Will factional fights erupt over decalogue versions? Is this an excuse for holy wars in public schools? Will the death count rise? "Prevent violence - SUBMIT!!" DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Milocevic, take a bow.
-Caveat Lector- >Milocevic has presided over the dismemberment of Yugoslavia, the emasculation of Serbia, and he's done so with great effort. Milosevic has resisted the dismemberment of Yugolavia and the emasculation of Serbia. He's done so with great ineptness. >Why? He's no Tito. On the other hand, he could be as ept as Geronimo and still be at a serious disadvantage, so maybe it doesn't matter. As to whether he was on the take this whole time and is really just a hired boogyman a la Saddam or Khadaffi, who knows? Could be. Things like that do happen. NATO does need a boogyman of his description just to justify its existance. On the other hand, why pay when he'll work for free and there's a dozen guys waiting to take his place. The important thing to remember, though, is that he's no more a dictator than is Clinton or Blair. Yugoslavia, like the US and UK, is ruled by an oligarchy not an individual. >Who benefits? The Western military-industrial complex (particularly the producers of "smart" weapons), the IMF, the WB, various wholesalers of heroin, the police who work for them, and whoever ends up hiring the now impoverished Yugoslavs at Indonesian level wages. Oh yeah, and the Russian general who took the Pristina air base without a shot and only two hundred guys. He's winner, that one. His star is on the rise. What a move! Trust the Russians to pass a pawn just as end game begins. These guys are formidable players, always thinking ahead. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: SNET: [piml] Not My War
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Ed Wolfe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 1999 8:14 PM Subject: SNET: [piml] Not My War > > -> SNETNEWS Mailing List > > "The contrast between truth and propaganda was so dramatic that we all > received an education in how war disinformation works." > > THURSDAY JUNE 17 1999 > > Not my war > by Llewellyn Rockwell > > The aftermath of the war on Yugoslavia is not > following the typical pattern. Usually, the > commander in chief basks in the glow of > victory. Medals are handed out, parades > organized, speeches given to the masses. > Veterans are heralded as preservers of > freedom. The national soul swells in patriotic > fervor. The merchants of death gain a new lease > on life. > > Not this time. This is no victory glow, no > parades, no flag waving. Outside the > mainstream media, there is a curious lack of > any bragging at all. There are no yellow > ribbons adorning trees. Indeed, veterans of this > war are more pitied than praised. Veterans of > past wars are rushing to repudiate the whole > mess. > > As regards the "national soul," it is pretty much > what it was before and during the war: > skeptical of any pronouncement from D.C. > Meanwhile, Congress has moved on to the > usual civic pieties: promising to reform a > smattering of failed programs, dreaming up > new ways to regulate our lives, and celebrating > Rosa Parks. Even Clinton seems to be backing > away from the topic of the war. > > What gives? > > This war never enjoyed wide or deep public > support, and for good reason. It was an attack > on a far-away sovereign country that never did > anything to any American. No interests of this > country were threatened, or even affected, by > the 600-year-long struggle between Christians > and Muslims over Kosovo. The U.S. bombing > was simply an aggression of the sort the > Russians used to accuse us of. > > Even now, it is difficult to know the real reason > for intervention, since no one believes that the > Clinton administration cares about > human-rights violations. You can't take > anti-brutality sermons seriously when the > preacher is simultaneously bombing hospitals, > schools, and water systems, and killing > innocents as a war tactic. Far from giving rise to > nationalist pride, U.S. behavior forms a pit in > your stomach. > > Clinton tried to draw on antique war myths > and accuse his opponents of appeasement in > the face of evil. But it didn't fly. His poll ratings > actually declined during the war, an > astounding fact in light of the tendency of war > to unite a country behind the ruling regime. > And these numbers are from phone polls that > dramatically under-assess the level of > dissatisfaction with existing government > policy. The war was supported with intensity > by very few, mostly those who had something > to gain from it. > > Even according to NATO's own stated aims, > the war was not a success. The final treaty steps > away from the absurd demands made in the > Rambouilett talks. And from a humane point of > view, the war was catastrophic, with thousands > dead and an entire society in ruins. The lack of > public celebration of victory reflects a > widespread acknowledgment of this. > > The truth about this war was not being spread > by mainstream organs of opinion, of course. > But thanks to the Internet, this was the first war > in which a sizeable number of Americans had > access to alternative media. News from > anti-war sites was just as accessible as that > from pro-war sites (again, the mainstream > media). So there was no need to rely on the >
[CTRL] Opel
-Caveat Lector-R >> > > > World Socialist Web Site www.wsws.org > > -- > -- > > > WSWS : News & Analysis : Europe : Germany > > German trade unions vote for job cuts > > New Opel (GM) plant in Rüsselsheim means 4,000 fewer jobs > > By Helmut Arens > 18 June 1999 > > Back to screen version > > In a press statement on May 26, Robert Hendry, the head of the board > of directors for General Motors Germany, announced that the new Opel > plant to be located in Rüsselsheim, Germany, would cost 820 million DM > and employ 4,000 fewer workers and white-collar employees than the > existing plant. > > This year parent company General Motors plans to start construction of > one of the world's most modern auto plants on the present Rüsselsheim > site with its century-long Opel tradition. Production will be based on > the latest model of "streamlined production, flexible, multi-skilled > staff, constant quality control and "just in time production methods > in existence, up to now, only in the east German Eisenach factory. The > old Rüsselsheim plant, which 20 years ago employed 43,000 workers, is > no longer viable and will be totally demolished. > > The new fabrication line will be erected in close proximity to the old > site; the installation for the body works and the finishing assembly > line are to be finished by 2002, the new paint works some time later. > > Wolfgang Strinz from the Opel board of directors told the Frankfurter > Rundschau that per vehicle production costs in the old factory at > Rüsselsheim were 35 percent higher than in Eisenach. The "Eisenach > model was developed when General Motors took over the Wartburg works > following the collapse of East Germany, closed it down, and set up the > world's most modern manufacturing vehicle plant employing fewer than > one-third of the 10,000 original Wartburg work force. > > Workers in the new Opel plant will face completely transformed > conditions. Although group work has already been implemented, the > management also wants to retain three-shift operations. Where > previously two separate assembly lines were in place for the Vectra > and Omega auto models, future operations will be constructed on a > single line in which a 40 percent productivity increase is to be > reached producing the same annual total of 275,000 vehicles. The > 10,500 workers at present employed in the fabrication plant will be > cut to 6,500, and more and more pressure will be placed upon them. > > Rudolf Müller, works council president, spoke positively about the > decision, telling the press it had long been awaited. The > representatives of the work force had been demanding a complete > overhaul of production methods. To be sure, he "regretted that 4,000 > fewer workers would be employed in 2002, but the new plant was the > only correct option and the old works had no future. He maintained > that job cuts would not entail direct redundancies, but would be > carried through by the more socially acceptable methods of not > replacing workers who retired or encouraging older workers to leave > through early retirement. But even if this is the case, it means that > ever-fewer workers will be producing under increasingly stressful > conditions, while a growing army of unemployed is put on the street. > > In a recent agreement on maintaining the site, management and the > works council expanded the early retirement scheme and pension rules > for employees of the original Opel plant. Fifty-eight-year-old workers > can volunteer for the pension and 57-year-old workers as well as > 60-year-old white collar employees are eligible for a part-time > pension. > > Opel trade union works council members and representatives of IG > Metall (the metal workers union) took part in an international works > council convention in Detroit on the last weekend in May. Opel was > represented by Müller, his deputy Klaus Franz and > IG-Metall-functionary Thomas Klebe. (All three are members of the > board of directors.) At present General Motors has plans to set up > rationalised production methods in Canada and in the US, where > downsizing will occur. > > The German works council members concluded that General Motors should > be urged to develop a method to secure jobs over a longer period of > time. They argued that with the help of modern technical innovation, > quality work and a highly motivated staff it must be possible to win > back a greater share of the world market. To effect this it was > necessary to tie the interests of the firm to national commercial > considerations. Müller said an all-round strategy was not only in the > interests of defending jobs but also of capital because, in an > international game of global players, only those who took into account > the peculiarities of the national market could survive. > > For this reason the Rüsselsheim works committee had supported the > appointment of Robert Hendry t
[CTRL] (Fwd) [FAIR-L] ACTION ALERT: THE NEW YORK TIMES' YAWNING GAP
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date sent: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:10:22 -0400 Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: FAIR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject:[FAIR-L] ACTION ALERT: THE NEW YORK TIMES' YAWNING GAP To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAIR-L Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting Media analysis, critiques and news reports ACTION ALERT: THE NEW YORK TIMES' YAWNING GAP: Between Glowing Portrait of Western Idealism and Reality of U.S. Policy June 17, 1999 In the June 13 New York Times "Week in Review," Michael Wines cautioned that despite America's "victory over Communism and inhumanity" in Kosovo, all is not well in the world. Americans often perceive their morals as universal, Wines says, but in fact there is "a yawning gap between the West and much of the world on the value of a single human life." According to Wines, the war in Yugoslavia "only underscored the deep ideological divide between an idealistic New World bent on ending inhumanity and an Old World equally fatalistic about unending conflict." Amongst the "anti-West club" of Syria, Libya, Iraq, China and India, Russians stand out "by temperament, history and current attitudes" as a particularly amoral people, says Wines. As evidence of this, Wines cites the anti-Jewish pogroms of the early 1900s, the Soviet policy of ethnic gerrymandering and forced migration, and the large-scale ethnic conflicts that spread through the Soviet Union as it collapsed. Yet Wines ignores examples from U.S. history that would have questioned the U.S.'s commitment to "ending brutality" and the actual "value of a single human life" for U.S. policymakers. Earlier this year, the New York Times ran several stories and editorials on the release of a report by the Guatemalan Historical Clarification Commission, a report that, in the words of a front-page Times story (2/26/99): "concluded that the United States gave money and training to a Guatemalan military that committed 'acts of genocide' against the Mayans during the most brutal armed conflict in Central America, Guatemala's 36-year civil war The panel also found evidence that the United States had knowledge of genocide and still supported the Guatemalan military." There is ample evidence to suggest that the U.S. is selective in its objection to governments that orchestrate violence against internal minorities. In 1992, at the height of Turkey's repression of its Kurdish minority, a State Department spokesperson summarized U.S. policy (National Journal, 4/15/95): "There is no question of halting U.S. military assistance to Turkey. The U.S. sees nothing objectionable in a friendly or allied country using American weapons to secure internal order or to repel an attack against its territorial unity." Wines could have calculated the value the U.S. places on "a single human life" by examining the U.S.'s policy of imposing sanctions on Iraq. While malnutrition was almost unknown in Iraq before the Gulf War, "from 1991 to 1998, children under 5 were dying from malnutrition-related diseases in numbers ranging from a conservative 2,690 per month to a more realistic 5,357 per month," according to U.N. figures (Seattle Post Intelligencer, 5/11/99). When 60 Minutes (5/12/96) asked Secretary of State Madeline Albright whether sanctions that left half a million Iraqi children dead were "worth it," Albright replied, "I think this is a very hard choice. But the price--we think the price is worth it." A graphic demonstration of the Western attitude toward human life came in the closing days of the war in Yugoslavia--after Belgrade had already agreed to withdraw its forces from Kosovo, and all that remained to be worked out were the technical details of an international occupation--when the U.S. carpet-bombed two battalions of Yugoslavian soldiers gathered in an open field near the Albanian border, who were skirmishing with KLA fighters. News reports indicated that the number of soldiers killed as a result in this meaningless battle was in the hundreds (AP, 6/9/99). ( You can read the Week in Review article in its entirety at: http://www.nytimes.com/library/review/061399rights-review.html ) ACTION: Please write to the New York Times and let it know that its readers deserve better than simplistic, self-congratulatory analysis. Encourage the Times to provide more thorough and accurate analysis of the U.S.'s role in ethnic conflicts around the world. New York Times 229 W. 43rd St., New York, NY 10036 Phone: 212-556-1748 Fax: 212-556-3738 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Additional contacts: --Michael Wines mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --Jonathan Landman Editor, Week in Review mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Feel free to respond to FAIR ( [EMA
[CTRL] Only Just Begun ?
-Caveat Lector- >From wsws.org > > > World Socialist Web Site www.wsws.org > > -- > -- > > > WSWS : News & Analysis : Europe : The Balkan Crisis > > Kosovan "mass graves" agitation: US media seeks to justify NATO war > > By the Editorial Board > 18 June 1999 > > Back to screen version > > As NATO forces extend their reach throughout Kosovo, the American and > British media are seeking to bludgeon public opinion and justify the > war against Yugoslavia after the fact. At the center of this > propaganda effort is a series of reports on alleged mass grave sites > found by NATO soldiers and Kosovo Liberation Army guerrillas. > > The two most important American daily newspapers, the New York Times > and the Washington Post, each published lengthy and lurid reports > Wednesday about the extent of the carnage wrought in Kosovo during the > ten weeks between the onset of the NATO bombing and the Yugoslav > capitulation. Similar reports appeared on the American television > networks. > > In addition to reinforcing the Clinton administration's claims that > American warplanes dropped tens of thousands of tons of bombs on > Yugoslavia for "humanitarian" reasons, the press campaign over alleged > Serb atrocities provides a pretext to justify the expulsion of the > 200,000 Kosovan Serbs from the province. This process has already > begun, with tens of thousands of Serb civilians fleeing as KLA forces > take over towns in the south and east of Kosovo. > > There has been little coverage of the flight of the Serbs, which will > escalate as NATO and KLA forces enter the more heavily Serb-populated > areas in northeastern Kosovo and along the northern border with > Montenegro and Serbia proper. > > Equally significant is the abandonment of any media reporting from > within Serbia on the casualties of the US-NATO bombing campaign. For > every heart-rending article about the deaths of Albanian civilians in > the ethnic civil war in Kosova, an equally moving account could be > provided of the deaths of Serbian civilians under NATO bombing. > > Moreover, the suffering and death in Serbia will continue, as the > long-term impact of the destruction of electricity, water supplies, > roads, bridges, hospitals and the basic infrastructure of modern life > is felt. It is all but impossible to estimate the ultimate effect of > environmental contamination caused by the destruction of oil > refineries and storage depots and the radiation released by US > missiles containing depleted uranium. > > The current US-NATO propaganda campaign makes no attempt to square > today's atrocity stories with yesterday's. A case in point is > Thursday's release by the British foreign office of an estimate that > 10,000 Albanian Kosovars had been killed in 130 separate massacres, a > figure that was given enormous international publicity. > > David Gowan, a British government spokesman on the investigation into > war crimes charges in Kosovo, said, "It's very difficult to give an > overall number but what's clear is that the picture is far worse than > we thought." This comment is inexplicable except as an attempt to > extract the maximum propaganda value from the pictures now coming out > of Kosovo. The British estimate actually represents a lowering, by at > least a factor of ten, of the most farfetched claims made during the > war, when US and NATO officials declared that between 100,000 and > 225,000 Albanian men were missing and potentially murdered. > > Nor is there any reason to believe that the figure of 10,000 is > accurate. The press accounts of the British claim conceal the fact > that Whitehall prepared this estimate several weeks ago, based on > "military and media reports as well as interviews with refugees in > Albania and Macedonia." In other words, the figure of 10,000 is not > based on any tabulation of graves or bodies actually found in Kosovo, > although media reports give that impression. > > Official US statements on the alleged death toll in Kosovo are equally > suspect. Pentagon spokesman Mike Doubleday said NATO soldiers had > "come upon or heard about 90 suspected mass grave sites since entering > Kosovo on Saturday." There are a sufficient number of qualifiers in > that sentence to send up many warning flags. What initially appears to > be significant evidence of several thousand deaths turns out to be > more rumor and speculation than fact: these are "suspected" sites, > some only "heard about," which troops have "come upon"i.e., not > investigated. > > What becomes a "suspected" mass grave site, more often than not, is a > claim or suspicion voiced by someone from the KLAofficer, soldier, > interpreterto a NATO military commander, who in turn communicates it > to an American or British reporter. No one in this chain is an > objective observer. All have a vested interest in depicting the > conditions in Kosovo in as dark and incriminating a fashion as
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-Caveat Lector- >From www.iwpr.net > Seselj At The Gates > > Having resigned from the Serbian government and disassociated himself > from the peace agreement, Vojislav Seselj is now poised to bid for > power. > > By a journalist in Novi Sad > (Published on July 16, 1999) > > The resignation of Serbia's deputy Prime Minister Vojislav Seselj and > the withdrawal of his ultra-nationalist Serbian Radical Party (SRS) > from the government is subject of much speculation among what remains > of Yugoslavia's chattering classes. > > Is this, political analysts wonder, a step towards the oft-predicted > civil war in Serbia? Or is it yet another cynical ploy by Yugoslav > President Slobodan Milosevic to retain power by presenting himself as > the moderate alternative to Seselj? > > The SRS--which has the second largest political presence in the > Serbian parliament with 75 deputies and held 15 out of 35 ministerial > posts in government--pulled out of the ruling coalition because it > could not accept the terms of the peace agreement ending the war in > Kosovo. > > In explaining his resignation, Seselj claimed the peace accord was a > total capitulation to NATO's demands and while he did not mention > Milosevic by name, he made it clear that he held the President > personally responsible. > > In an interview for the biggest-selling Belgrade daily Glas Javnosti, > Seselj forecast a stormy period ahead for Serbia, saying that after > Kosovo there will come similar temptations in Montenegro, Sandzak and > Vojvodina. And he warned darkly that the greatest risk to Serbia would > now come from "traitors" who would be working against the interests of > the country with American encouragement. Seselj also predicted > instances of food rationing and social unrest. > > In contrast, Milosevic has been travelling the length and breadth of > Serbia, extolling the virtues of the peace agreement, promising > economic rebirth and seemingly presenting himself as the one man who > can keep Seselj's extremism at bay. > > A number of analysts see the apparent conflict between the two men as > nothing more than a co-ordinated ploy designed to bolster Milosevic's > position. However, although Seselj has in the past served Milosevic in > this way, others believe that the radical is now positioning himself > ready for the day when Milosevic can no longer control Serbian > society. > > In the working class suburbs of the largest Serbian cities, the > electoral bedrock of the ruling parties, the population is already on > the verge of hunger. Moreover, the prospects are worse since, > according to official statistics, some 500,000 workers lost their jobs > during the war. An estimated 50 per cent of the population are now out > of work. > > In these circumstances, it is difficult to see how the employment and > reconstruction programme drawn up by the Serbian parliament can have > much impact. If, therefore, Milosevic's promises prove hollow and > conditions deteriorate as predicted, Seselj may well make a bid for > power. In such a case, the threat of civil war becomes real. > > Some people here are already comparing the situation in Serbia today > to the Weimar years in Germany at the end of the First World War. Like > Germany, Serbia has been defeated militarily and humiliated, its > economy is in tatters and it faces massive social dislocation. > > At the same time, like Germans in the aftermath of the First World > War, Serbs have not understood the real causes of their defeat and are > convinced that they have suffered an injustice which they did not > deserve. > > In the absence of any objective reporting, Seselj stands to be the > ultimate beneficiary of the frustration felt by ordinary Serbs. > Indeed, the greater Serbia's social and political disintegration, the > better his chances of gaining power. > > In this respect, his appeal does indeed resemble that of Hitler who > managed to win over Germany's defeated and humiliated population with > his demagogic populism. Moreover, like Hitler, Seselj could achieve > his goals via the democratic process. > > In Serbia's last presidential elections in 1996, Seselj was narrowly > defeated by Milosevic's candidate Milan Milutinovic in a poll which > observers believe was marred by widespread fraud in the latter's > favour. Moreover, since then, Seselj's popularity has risen among the > electorate and he has acquired key allies in the upper echelons of the > police and army. > > The author is an independent journalist from Novi Sad whose identity > has been concealed. > > > > > > © Institute of War & Peace Reporting A<>E<>R ~~~ The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + A merely fallen enemy may rise again, but the reconciled one is truly vanquished. -Johann Christoph Schiller, German Writer (1759-1805) + + + +
[CTRL] (Fwd) ZNet Commentary, June 18 Mokhiber and Weissman
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: "Michael Albert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject:ZNet Commentary, June 18 Mokhiber and Weissman Date sent: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 23:23:37 +0100 Here is today's ZNet Commentary Delivery from Mokhiber and Weissman. The attached file is the same material in nicely formatted html so that you can read it in your browser if you wish. To pass this comment along to friends, relatives, etc. please note that the Commentaries are a premium sent to monthly donors to Z/ZNet and that to learn more about the project folks can consult ZNet (http://www.zmag.org) and specifically the Commentary Page (http://www.zmag.org/Commentaries/donorform.htm). Here then is today's ZNet Commentary... -- ZNet Commentary, June 18, 1999 Laurence Summers, The World Bank and Us. Russell Mokhiber and Robert Weissman "Just between you and me, shouldn't the World Bank be encouraging more migration of the dirty industries to the LDCs [least developed countries]?" So wrote Treasury Secretary-designee Lawrence Summers, then the chief economist at the World Bank, in a 1991 World Bank internal memorandum arguing for the transfer of waste and dirty industries from industrialized to developing countries. There's more: "I think the economic logic behind dumping a load of toxic waste in the lowest wage country is impeccable and we should face up to that. ... I've always thought that underpopulated countries in Africa are vastly underpolluted; their air quality is vastly inefficiently low compared to Los Angeles or Mexico City." After the memo was leaked, Summers apologized, saying it was intended to be ironic and that it was offered as a thought experiment. Later reports suggest that someone else actually wrote the memo, although Summers' name appeared on it. But here is the question that remains unanswered, and that should be atop the list of questions posed by the senators who have to confirm Summers' appointment to replace outgoing Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin: "Ironic or not, from your point of view, what was wrong with the logic of the memo?" The notion that poor countries should import pollution and waste is just an unsavory application of the economic theory of the U.S. Treasury Department, shared also by the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and, to a lesser extent, the World Bank. In this worldview, poor countries should exploit their "comparative advantage" of low wages, or access to natural resources, or lower environmental standards. While few countries have "developed" with this approach, it has proved very effective for companies like Nike, which has taken advantage of low wages throughout Asia, or even GM, which produces cars and trucks in Mexico with the same technology as in Michigan but with lower-wage workers. Makers of polluting technologies such as incinerators that are being phased out in industrialized countries have also benefited, because they are able to stay in business by selling to Third World countries. U.S. manufacturers that wanted to escape environmental regulations (like furniture makers who use toxic glues, solvents and paints) have capitalized by shifting from places like Los Angeles to Mexico. For a time, per Summers' suggestion, there was a thriving international trade in toxic waste, but that has largely been eradicated, thanks to environmental activists who helped get enacted a global treaty to ban hazardous waste exports from rich to poor countries (the United States has not signed). At the heart of the Treasury-IMF-Bank approach is the idea that developing countries should concentrate their effort on exports, rather than production for local needs. A related core idea is that countries should allow foreign capital to move into and out of the country without restraint. Those two policy prescriptions contributed in significant measure to the Asian economic crisis, which was precipitated by a sudden withdrawal of foreign capital from Asian markets, itself a result in part of over-investment in production for export. The solution of Summers, Rubin and Federal Reserve Chair Alan Greenspan (anointed the "Committee to Save the World" by Time Magazine) was for Asian countries to do more of the same (while making some internal financial reforms and shutting down or selling off bankrupt enterprises). Again, multinational corporations and foreign investors are doing well. U.S. firms like Fairchild Semiconductors, Hartford Life and GE Capital, for example, have made unprecedented purchases of Korean assets. The overall result of the Committee's global financial crisis management, according to most news accounts including the many beatifying Rubin following his retirement announcement, has been a steadying of the economic crisis. In fact, while stock prices are now rising in the Asian countries, so is unemployment and
[CTRL] Lying
-Caveat Lector- from www.philosophynews.com/philosopheye > June 15, 1999 > > Is it ever right to lie? The philosophy of deception > > by ROBERT C. SOLOMON > > > > RELATED LINKS > * Love : Emotion, Myth, and Metaphor, by Robert C. Solomon > * Morality and the Good Life, by Robert C. Solomon, et al > > > > Is it ever right to lie? Is a lie told to embellish an otherwise > tedious narrative just as wrong as a lie told to cover up a misdeed > and avoid punishment? Is a lie told in desperation any less wrong than > a calculated, merely convenient lie? Is a lie told out of > self-deception more or less wrong than a clear-headed, tactical lie? > (Is the former even a lie?) Are all lies wrong? Or does deception > serve such important functions as protecting us from harm, especially > emotional harm? > > Let's start with the basics: Is it ever right to lie? Common sense > surely says "Yes, sometimes." But legions of philosophers and other > moralists have answered "No," and then tried to make sense of this > indefensible position. Insisting that lying is always wrong -- as > Thomas Aquinas and Immanuel Kant did, for example -- appeals to our > desire for absolutes. But then, of course, what about the example from > freshman philosophy: The Nazis come to your door asking if your are > hiding a Jewish family. Your are. Should you say "No"? Or, on a > mundane level, your spouse or lover walks in with an utterly silly new > hairdo and asks, "Do you like it?" Does morality dictate that you ruin > the evening? Or can you, in both cases, finesse the answer, not lying > but not telling the truth, either, perhaps by avoiding an answer to > the question? > > If a person would lie about one thing, does it follow that he or she > would lie about another? That depends. The demand for honesty is > contextual. It depends on what the truth concerns. The Bible tells us > not to bear false witness against our neighbor. Perjury, we can agree, > is wrong: The consequences can be awful. In a trial, a jury's > assumption that a person who lies about one thing will lie about > another is perfectly justified. > > But it seems to me absolutely crucial to distinguish here between > public and private life. Perjury, by it very nature, is public, as is > politics. Sex, with a few obvious exceptions, is part of our private > life. And just about everyone is less than forthright about sex. Lying > about sex, while it may have grave significance for people in an > intimate relationship, has nothing to do with one's public > credibility. Indeed, when publicly asked a rudely inappropriate > question about one's private (adult, consensual) sex life, it seems to > me not only natural but even obligatory to lie, finesse, or refuse to > answer. > > Friedrich Nietzsche once asked, "Why must we have truth at any cost, > anyway?" It was an odd question, coming from the philosopher who > prided himself, above all, on his brutal honesty, and it is an obscene > question, in any case, for a profession that sees itself as seeking > solely the truth. Even philosophers who challenge the very idea of > truth -- not just Nietzsche and the Buddhist Nagarjuna, but also > Jacques Derrida and Richard Rorty -- are unforgiving when it comes to > deception, misrepresentation, and "creative misreadings," at least of > their own work. Philosophers in general insist on the truth even if > they do not believe in "the Truth." They despise deception and > ridicule self-deception. > > The Australian philosopher Tony Coady probably speaks for most > philosophers when he writes, "Dishonesty has always been perceived in > our culture, and in all cultures but the most bizarre, as a central > human vice." But, he adds, "we should note that this perception is > consistent with a certain hesitancy about what constitutes a lie and > with the more than sneaking suspicion that there might be a number of > contexts in which lying is actually justified." Plato defended "the > noble lie," and the English ethicist Henry Sidgwick suggested that a > "high-minded lie" in the direction of humility might do us all a great > deal of good. > > Not all untruths are malicious. Telling the truth can complicate or > destroy social relationships. It can undermine precious collective > myths. Honesty can be cruel. Sometimes, deception is not a vice but a > social virtue, and systematic deception is an essential part of the > order of the (social) world. In many countries -- Japan and Western > Samoa, for example -- social harmony is valued far more than > truthfulness as such. To tell another person what he or she wants to > hear, rather than what one might actually feel or believe, is not only > permitted but expected. > > Could we not begin to see our own enlightened emphasis on "seeking the > truth at all costs" (as Ernst Jones wrote admiringly of Sigmund Freud) > as one more ethnocentric peculiarity, another curious product of our > strong sense of individualism, and a dangerously unsociable >
[CTRL] Did NATO ever produce that Pilot? RE: [CTRL] Warp Speed
-Caveat Lector- Speaking about disinformation, am I mistaken, or has NATO and the US still failed to produce the pilot who was "rescued" from that plane that was shot down in the first days of the NATO offensive against Serbia? If they have not, does it not suggest that the pilot was killed and that NATO and traitors Cohen, Clinton, et al just lied to keep up the myth of the casualty-less war? Does anyone know anything about that pilot? > -Original Message- > From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of Alamaine Ratliff > Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 8:08 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [CTRL] Warp Speed > > > -Caveat Lector- > > >From AFP via Yahoo! > > <> > > > > Media group charges NATO "distorted the truth" in Kosovo > > > > > > > > > > PARIS, June 15 (AFP) - The media organisation Reporters sans > > Frontieres (Reporters without Borders, RSF) Tuesday criticized NATO > > for "distorting the truth," and giving "false information and > > impossible-to-check figures," about the war in Yugoslavia. > > > > In a report called "War in Yugoslavia, NATO's media blunders," the > > group, which is based in Paris, questioned whether it was a matter of > > "mistakes" or if the alliance made "deliberate attempts at > > disinformation." > > > > "False information, exorbitant and impossible-to-check figures and the > > use of debatable historical references have strengthened doubts about > > the goodwill of certain western political and military leaders," RSF > > said in a communique. > > > > In one example, the group cites NATO confirmation concerning the death > > of ethnic Albanian leader Fehmi Agani along with five others. > > > > British General David Wilby had said at NATO headquarters in Brussels > > the report came from a "very reliable source" in Kosovo, which his > > department had checked carefully. > > > > "Wilby's source turned out to be the London-based Kosovo Information > > Centre, which is run by Kosovar exiles," the report said, adding that > > "one of them, Hafiz Gagica, had said the same day that Ibrahim Rugova > > had been wounded and his whereabouts were not known." > > > > Agani was in fact killed, but some days later, while Rugova > > subsequently met with Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic, bringing > > blanket media coverage the Yugoslav leader was able to capitalize on. > > > > "Making a rumor official in this way, during the first week of > > bombing, would appear to be less the result of a mistake than of a > > deliberate decision; to tip the balance in favor of NATO air strikes > > on Yugoslavia at a time when public opinion was still very sceptical > > about their effectiveness," the report said. > > > > Another example cited was the April 14 air strike on a convoy which > > killed 75 people according to Serb sources. > > > > After German Defense Minister Rudolf Scharping initially accused Serb > > planes of the attack, NATO acknowledged the strike, saying "that > > apparently one of its planes dropped a bomb on a civilian vehicle > > travelling with a convoy." > > > > On April 19, NATO admitted "it had hit two convoys with the help of > > about a dozen planes that dropped a total of nine bombs," RSF said, > > adding that the alliance made public a recording of a pilot > > responsible for hitting the first. > > > > He said the vehicles in question were "of a military type," but two > > days later NATO admitted the recording had no connection with the > > bombing of the convoys. > > > > RSF says "other features of western communication are approximate > > figures, debatable historic references and the use of vocabulary that > > has the aim of making the adversary appear monstrous." > > > > "The term 'genocide' has been used systematically by British Prime > > Minister Tony Blair, and in Germany officials have compared the > > Milosevic government to that of Hitler," the report adds. > > > > "These historical references have led to protests from experts," RSF > > said. > > > > "On April 27, NATO officials themselves admitted - although not in so > > many words - that their communication strategy had failed," it added, > > while also noting that "the workings of the propaganda machine hold no > > secrets for the Serbs." > > > > "While remaining the defender of a 'just cause' in the eyes of western > > public opinion, NATO has not shown goodwill in its relations with the > > media, and has distorted the truth on several occasions," RSF charged. > > > > "It is obvious that in time of war, the information provided by one > > side or the other may be liable to be used as a propaganda tool," it > > said. > > > > "But it could still be hoped that a coalition of democracies, which > > claims to have right on its side, would behave with more integrity > > than the dictatorship it is fighting against," the group concluded. > > > A<>E<>R > ~~~ > The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking > new landscapes but in havin
Re: [CTRL] False Opposition of Conservative Organizations
Sorry to reply through this email, but I couldn't get the relevant e-mail from "books" to let me reply. There is no question that all big money in the conservative movement goes to phony operations like the Heritage Foundation. If anyone has any information on who underwrite the basic budgets of these False Opposition operations, I would like to know it. I know on informed researcher who says that Richard Mellon Scaife is a bagman for much of the money. Does anyone have any solid info on this vital subject? Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message-From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of booksSent: Monday, June 14, 1999 6:43 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [CTRL] GLOBAL CONSPIRACY - THE FREEDOM TO MAKE SLAVES PLEASE SEND THIS MESSAGE TO THE WORLD:GLOBAL CONSPIRACY - THE FREEDOM TO MAKE SLAVES--ON THE SURFACE, EVERYTHING SEEMS PRETTY GOOD RIGHT NOW EASTERN EUROPE, RUSSIA AND CHINA ARE FIRMLY UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE IMF/WORLD BANK AND THE INTERNATIONAL CORPORATIONS, REBELLIOUS YUGOSLAVIA HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO HEEL, MOST ECONOMIES ARE FUNCTIONING FAIRLY WELL AND SO ON. BUT DARE TO SCRATCH THE SURFACE AND IT DOESN'T TAKE A GENIOUS TO SEE THAT THE MASSES OF THE PEOPLE ARE VIRTUAL SLAVES, PAYING THE VAST BULK OF THEIR MEAGER WAGES ONE WAY OR ANOTHER TO THEIR RICH AND SUPER-RICH SLAVE MASTERS, IF NOT IN TAXES, THEN IN INTEREST AND DEBT CAUSED BY MONEY PRINTING PRIVATE BANKERS. AT THE ROOT OF THE GLOBAL CRISIS IS WHAT KARL MARX CALLED "THE PROPERTY QUESTION" BUT NOBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THE ROOT CAUSE OF POVERTY AND PROPERTYLESSNESS, AND ANY MENTION OF BIBLE SLAVE LAW, OR THE JEWS AND THEIR JUDEO-CHRISTIAN PROSELYTES, OR THE MUSLIMS, IS TABOO... OR WORSE. THERE IS NOTHING RACIAL OR HATEFUL ABOUT SCHOLARLY TRUTH. THERE IS NOTHING RACIST ABOUT NATIONALISM - AT LEAST THERE DOES NOT NEED TO BE. ECONOMIC AND FINANCIAL SLAVERY IS AT THE HEART OF THE GLOBAL CRISIS. KARL MARX CALLED ECONOMIC AND FINANCIAL SLAVERY "THE EXPLOITATION OF LABOUR". THOSE OF YOU INTERESTED IN TRUTH AND IN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS REALLY CAUSING THE MESS THE WORLD IS IN, AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO STOP THE EVER ONWARD MARCH OF WHAT ADOLPH HITLER CALLED "THE SLAVE'S YOKE OF INTERNATIONAL CAPITAL AND ITS MASTERS, THE JEWS", READ ON. UNTIL THE ADVOCATES OF THE FREEDOM OF RELIGION ARE WILLING TO FACE THE TRUTH ABOUT BIBLE SLAVE LAW THERE WILL BE NO SOLUTION TO THE GLOBAL CRISIS.AMERICA IS BANKRUPT - SO... WHO CARES?AS AMERICA GOES, SO GOES THE WORLD. IN ORDER TO CHANGE THE WORLD YOU MUST FIRST CHANGE AMERICA.AMERICA IS BANKRUPT. >From the lowest courts to the Supreme Court, to the Federal Reserve interest/debt/tax slavery banking system, America has been taken over by the Jews and their Judeo-christian proselytes. To understand how this could happen you must understand Bible Slave Law. It is common knowledge that it was WWII that bailed America out of the great depression of the1930's but in order to get a deeper understanding of the IMF/World Bank economic and financial necessity of war one must understand the religious roots behind the global "military/industrial complex" and the IMF/World Bank economic and financial dependence upon war for its survival and what is really behind the conflict between nationalism and internationalsim. The American Civil War, WWI and WWII, the Korean war, the Viet Nam war, and recent the Balkans war were all fundamentally faught for the same economic and financial reasons, behind which are deeply rooted religious conflicts. President Eisenhower warned America not to become dependent upon the "the military-industrial complex" but how could Zionist America do otherwise? Without constant expansion of the Zionist inspired IMF/World Bank interest/debt/tax slavery money system, the military-industrial economic system will collapse. There is, however, a solution (see The Debt Free and Tax Free Amendment and The Debt Free Money System Chart below). THE FOLLOWING ARTICLE, BY LEE CHENEY, APPEARED IN "BRITAIN & OVERSEAS", THE QUARTERLY JOURNAL OF THE ECONOMIC RESEARCH COUNCIL, LONDON, ON PAGE 19-21 OF THE SPRING 1999 ISSUE (VOL.29, NO.1): There is an old saying that if people are told a lie often enough they will come to believe that lie to be true. The truth is that it is an outright lie to tell people that banks do not print money when banks make loans. Every even half educated person in economics and finance understands the accounting process of "loan created deposits" (bank printed money in the context of M1, M2, M3, C, L, etc.). Some people try to tell us that "the no
Re: [CTRL] Lying
-Caveat Lector- The question of whether it is ever right to lie is TOTALLY and DIRECTLY related to the (passive and/or active) LIAR(s)' belief or lack of belief in 'GOD' ..and whether or not the 'GOD' the LIAR claims to 'believe in' is an ALMIGHTY GOD or a CONTINGENT GOD or GOD OF CONTINGENCY I see no reason why any Human (and therefore totally contingent) Being should NOT lie unless the LIAR claims to 'believe in GOD' Then, the next question is, is the 'GOD' the liar claims to 'believe in' CONTINGENT, and if so, then I guess a CONTINGENT GOD has the same right to lie as a/any other CONTINGENT/HUMAN Being - (Basically the 'doing a lesser evil to forstall a greater evil' arguement) But if the LIAR Claims that the GOD he claims to 'believe in' is ALMIGHTY... then no CONTINGENCY/'LESSER EVIL' Arguement is valid and That LIAR Deserves to burn in HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY and the 'GOD' he worships also DESERVES TO BURN IN HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY for the INFINITE/UNFORGIVABLE CRIME of Creating the Filthy Lying Human Race in the First Place.. I do not believe in God - either Contingent or Almighty - but I do believe that every Human Being on Earth who will/does not openly and publicly confess that MARK TOWNLEY, son of DR. CHARLES ORLEFF TOWNLEY OF PORT HURON< MICHIGAN is the TRUE ASSASSIN OF DR> MARTIN LUTHER KING!!! (Acting of course on the orders of Lyndon Johnson/Hoover/McNamara/33rd Degree Freemasonry, etc) deserves to burn in Hell for ALL ETERNITY!!! Why??? Because I'm SPITEFUL and my NATTALSNAKE WON'T MAKE LOVE TO ME!!! DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] : Re: Further Disclosures By NSC's Dr. Michael Wolf
-Caveat Lector- > >>UFOTruth - http://UFOTruth.listbot.com >> >>More questions and rantings about the info in this article: >> >> >>>FURTHER DISCLOSURES BY CONSULTANT TO NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL'S >>>SPECIAL [UFO/ET] STUDIES GROUP, DR. MICHAEL WOLF >>>by Richard Boylan, Ph.D. >>> >>>(c)1999 >> >>(snip) >> >> >>> The UN maintains an unacknowledged Special Intelligence Branch, >which >>>is involved in working with all countries and their intelligence >>>services around extraterrestrial matters. Dr. Wolf revealed that he >is >>>negotiating with an official within the UN's Security Council staff >to >>>have the UN release UFO information it possesses in 1999. This >>>official has advanced degrees, and has been given "incredible >powers" >>>during her ET encounters. He says, "The UN people know everything >>>(about the visiting ETS). And (Apollo astronauts) Edgar Mitchell and >>>Gordon Cooper have made appeals to the UN to let the truth be >known." >>> He added that a "Cabal" is a significant part of the problem. The >>>Cabal is a rogue group of private industry, intelligence and >military >>>officials who have aggressively misused national security secrecy to >>>achieve illegal monopoly over extraterrestrial technology. The Cabal >>>is so entrenched, that it is hard for official government to remove >>>them. Some of the Cabalistas are very high military officers, while >>>others hold leadership positions as Senators and Congressmen, >>>predominantly but not exclusively of Republican party membership. >>>"They want Clinton out of the loop [of detailed UFO/ET >information]," >>>Wolf said, because the President has given private indication of >being >>>prepared to make public announcement of UFO reality as his departing >>>message, if he is forced out of office. >> >>Rich, when was this interview by Wolf given? Before of after the >impeachment? Is this why the Pres. wasn't removed from office because >the >>Coverup didn't want to be exposed? >> >Lucia, > >The interview occurred during the Lewinski Scandal, but before the >Final Vote on Impeachment. > >>> Dr. Wolf became quite excited as he shared with me signals he has >>>been receiving recently, that "Something is coming, so big that the >>>government will have to announce UFO reality." When I pressed him >for >>>a timeline for the big event, he replied, "six months to 1-1/2 >years." >> >>Again, when did he say this? Where are we in this "big event" >timeline? > > >I would say that we are several (4-5 months) into this rough >timeline. > >>> He added that besides adequate public psychological preparation >about >>>ET presence, there is another condition: that any such public >>>announcement of ET presence "has to be in agreement with the >>>(extraterrestrial) Council of the (ET) Elders." The Council is the >>>ruling body of the Federation of benign extraterrestrial races that >in >>>contact with Earth, sort of like a galactic UN Security Council. The >>>Council is in ongoing communication with the governments of Earth >>>through our UN's designated emissaries. >> >>Who? Which UN designated emissaries? Who designated them? > > >Tavarisch Lucia, >You are not cleared for that level of information. >Neither am I. > >>> The extraterrestrial Federation is working collaboratively with >world >>>governments to gradually prepare the general population to accept >the >>>reality of, and presence of, extraterrestrial races on Earth. The >>>Federation has wished to avoid any mass panic or major disruption of >>>society that could have come from a premature announcement. And the >>>time is now near, if not already arrived, for the world public to >>accept contact with races from the stars. >>> The ET Federation has another precondition before they are willing >to >>>present themselves openly: Peace on Earth. >> >>Pardon me, (I'm still in my raging mood here) but that is just so >much BS. >>I don't think that's going to happen in the near forseeable future. >And I >>don't think it's going to happen BEFORE they reveal themselves. >Obviously >>this interview occurred before NATO started the bombing of Kosovo. I >>personally don't think that the war makers are going to give it up >just >>because some ETs tell them to. "Business as usual" has to be >interrupted >>by a significant ET presence so that the Shift towards the Light can >have an opportunity to take place. > >The ETs, being exquisitely spiritually advanced, take very >seriously the matter of moral responsibility -- precisely, that humans >exercise our moral responsibility and not just let the motherships >come in and do the right thing for us. Such would be ACOA "enabling", >capisce? > >>> They are unwilling, short >>>of a global cataclysm, to show themselves publicly, until all major >>>conflicts on Earth have been peacefully resolved. >> >>What, do we need to be on the brink of total destruction before >they'll come >>forward and say, "oh, by the way, we've had dealings with