FW: FW: NOT EDITABLE ON WINDOWS 10: The Lingering-Lock Case
This response, below, suggests that there may be permission settings that also interfere with some applications after an Upgrade to Windows 10. Although the OP previously reported that some of the ODF documents on her system were editable (i.e., not locked and evidently not read-only), it appears that there was something else going on. There may be some detail in the OP response that I misinterpreted, as well. In this case, there is not enough detail on isolated causes and we must remain on the alert for other cases where we can work with an user in seeing how to isolate the root cause(s) of any observed difficulty. So far, we have not found an OpenOffice-specific problem related to files being locked or read-only after Windows 10 upgrading. The only cases brought to our attention are Windows 10 related (and not just about OpenOffice) or they are about unreleased locks that were already there but only noticed after the upgrade. There is an issue about the quality of the display that some folks see in OpenOffice rendering of some fonts that seems specific to OpenOffice. That is being tracked down separately. - Dennis From: Janet Monk [mailto:janm...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 01:56 To: orc...@apache.org Subject: Re: FW: NOT EDITABLE ON WINDOWS 10: The Lingering-Lock Case no what I'm saying is that after spending hours on the phone with Microsoft support the technician eventually went into permissions Advanced Settings and clicked off the child permission blockage which gave the administrator full control and so far it seems to be working. regards Janet On 12 August 2015 at 18:22, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org mailto:orc...@apache.org wrote: Janet, Thank you for your follow-up. Are you saying that with this week’s updates to Windows 10, your problem disappeared? It was not necessary for you to take any other action? - Dennis From: Janet Monk [mailto:janm...@gmail.com mailto:janm...@gmail.com ] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 08:40 To: orc...@apache.org mailto:orc...@apache.org Subject: Re: FW: NOT EDITABLE ON WINDOWS 10: The Lingering-Lock Case Here I am again. My problems with Open Office and Corel Video Studio appeared to have been solved by Microsoft adjusting the permission settings. Thank you for your help. regards Janet On 10 August 2015 at 00:35, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org mailto:orc...@apache.org wrote: Here is the procedure for you to try. I have more questions: 1. I don't know if this will work as described for a file in a OneDrive folder. Let us know if it works. 2. I don't know about .odb files either. Let us know if that works too. 3. And let us know what does not work. So far we have not found a defect in OpenOffice. We must keep looking. 4. What are your questions now? Regards, - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org mailto:orc...@apache.org ] Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 13:46 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org mailto:dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: NOT EDITABLE ON WINDOWS 10: The Lingering-Lock Case [ … ]
RE: FW: NOT EDITABLE ON WINDOWS 10: The Lingering-Lock Case
Janet, Thank you for your follow-up. Are you saying that with this week’s updates to Windows 10, your problem disappeared? It was not necessary for you to take any other action? - Dennis From: Janet Monk [mailto:janm...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 08:40 To: orc...@apache.org Subject: Re: FW: NOT EDITABLE ON WINDOWS 10: The Lingering-Lock Case Here I am again. My problems with Open Office and Corel Video Studio appeared to have been solved by Microsoft adjusting the permission settings. Thank you for your help. regards Janet On 10 August 2015 at 00:35, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org mailto:orc...@apache.org wrote: Here is the procedure for you to try. I have more questions: 1. I don't know if this will work as described for a file in a OneDrive folder. Let us know if it works. 2. I don't know about .odb files either. Let us know if that works too. 3. And let us know what does not work. So far we have not found a defect in OpenOffice. We must keep looking. 4. What are your questions now? Regards, - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org mailto:orc...@apache.org ] Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 13:46 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org mailto:dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: NOT EDITABLE ON WINDOWS 10: The Lingering-Lock Case After upgrading to Windows 10, some users notice that they have files OpenOffice reports as not editable. There is a report that the named file is locked for editing. (This is slightly different than saying the files are read-only.) WHEN THIS IS HAPPENING TO YOU ... If you followed the procedure given in the message, REPORTING Windows 10 Upgrade Issues: BASIC SITUATION and you find that *some* of your existing files are locked for editing while *others* including new ones you make are completely usable, try this procedure. TRY THIS 1. With any locked for editing file open, use File | Save As ... to save the file in the same place with a modification of the name. Then use Windows File Explorer to find the location of the locked version and delete it. This protects against opening the wrong one at a future time. 2. For any document that was described as locked for editing when you opened it, close the document if it is open and perform the following procedure. a. Note the location of the folder for the document. Open that folder in the Windows File Explorer. b. That folder probably has a hidden file named .~lock.your-file-name#, where your-file-name is the name of the file (without the folder part) that you found locked for editing. Use the File Explorer to delete that file. c. If you don't see such a file, it may be that File Explorer is not showing them to you. Here's how to make certain that they are visible: (i) In the Windows File Explorer window that is opened to the folder that has the file, select the View tab. (ii) In the Layout section of the View options, select Details. You can always change the view of folders to any other case later. Use Details for troubleshooting, as in this case. (iii) In the Show/hide section of the View options, CHECK File name extensions and Hidden items. (iv) That should reveal any hidden lock files in the folder you are viewing. Delete the ones that apply to documents you are using in Apache OpenOffice. IF YOU DON'T SUCCEED If you have different messages when opening a file in OpenOffice, please create a new message. This message and replies are solely about Windows 10 and locked for editing messages. If your situation is as described at the top of this message and this procedure does not work, please reply to this message on dev@openoffice.apache.org mailto:dev@openoffice.apache.org so we can explore further with you. If you reply directly to me, that will be permission for me to forward your message to the list as I see fit. - Dennis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org mailto:dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org mailto:dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
NOT EDITABLE ON WINDOWS 10: The Lingering-Lock Case - Update
Corrections to the wording in IF YOU DON'T SUCCEED -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org] Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 13:46 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: NOT EDITABLE ON WINDOWS 10: The Lingering-Lock Case After upgrading to Windows 10, some users notice that they have files OpenOffice reports as not editable. There is a report that the named file is locked for editing. (This is slightly different than saying the files are read-only.) WHEN THIS IS HAPPENING TO YOU ... If you followed the procedure given in the message, REPORTING Windows 10 Upgrade Issues: BASIC SITUATION and you find that *some* of your existing files are locked for editing while *others* including new ones you make are completely usable, try this procedure. TRY THIS 1. With any locked for editing file open, use File | Save As ... to save the file in the same place with a modification of the name. Then use Windows File Explorer to find the location of the locked version and delete it. This protects against opening the wrong one at a future time. 2. For any document that was described as locked for editing when you opened it, close the document if it is open and perform the following procedure. a. Note the location of the folder for the document. Open that folder in the Windows File Explorer. b. That folder probably has a hidden file named .~lock.your-file-name#, where your-file-name is the name of the file (without the folder part) that you found locked for editing. Use the File Explorer to delete that file. c. If you don't see such a file, it may be that File Explorer is not showing them to you. Here's how to make certain that they are visible: (i) In the Windows File Explorer window that is opened to the folder that has the file, select the View tab. (ii) In the Layout section of the View options, select Details. You can always change the view of folders to any other case later. Use Details for troubleshooting, as in this case. (iii) In the Show/hide section of the View options, CHECK File name extensions and Hidden items. (iv) That should reveal any hidden lock files in the folder you are viewing. Delete the ones that apply to documents you are using in Apache OpenOffice. IF YOU DON'T SUCCEED If you have different messages when opening a file in OpenOffice, please report that in a separate email to this list. This message and replies to it are solely about Windows 10 and locked for editing messages. Please help us keep the different symptoms and their causes separate. If your situation is as described at the top of this message and this procedure does not work, please reply to this message on dev@openoffice.apache.org so we can explore further with you. If any replies are directly to me and not the list, that will be permission for me to forward your message to the list as I see fit. - Dennis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Simple code practice to get started
Jason, use the more-comprehensive advice from Regina. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Jason Marshall [mailto:j_k_marshall_2...@live.com] Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 11:20 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: RE: Simple code practice to get started Dear Dennis Thank you for looking at this problem. [ ... ] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
FW: REPORTING Windows 10 Upgrade Issues: BASIC SITUATION
Janet Monk sent her response directly to me. I am forwarding it to the list with permission. I have a response for the *.odt files that I will post at once. The *.odb files may be trickier. [ … ] From: Janet Monk [mailto:janm...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 02:05 To: orc...@apache.org Subject: Re: REPORTING Windows 10 Upgrade Issues: BASIC SITUATION 1. I am having problems with Corel Video Studio - some functions do not work. 1 Windows 10 home processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4460 CPU@3.20 GHz 3.20 GHz 3.20 installed memory RAM 6.00 GB System type 64bit- Operating system, x64-based processor Pen and touch no pen or touch input is available for this display 2 Open Office 4.1.1 Apache openoffice 4.1.1 1617669 rev 10 items Items (odt) saved on OneDrive work and are not read only Databases (odb) open but are not editable None of the databases identify themselves as non editable. They cant be edited or added to. There are no read only files on this list of 10 items 10 C:\Users\Janet\Documents\Books read\Books read 2013.odt 9 C:\Users\Janet\Documents\Diary2015\August 2015.odt 8 C:\Users\Janet\OneDrive\2.odt 7 C:\Users\Janet\Documents\Books read\Books read.odb 6 C:\Users\Janet\Documents\Film sseen\Films.odb 5 C:\Users\Janet\Documents\ Film sseen\Films2015.odb 4 C:\Users\Janet\Documents\Books read\Books2015toMarch.odb 3 C:\Users\Janet\OneDrive\August 2015.odt 2 C:\Users\Janet\Documents\cultural events and music\Cultural events2015.odb 1 C:\Users\Janet\OneDrive\Untitled 1.odt The files : 2,4, 5,6,7,8,9 and10 open but are not editable Regards\Janet [ ... ] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
NOT EDITABLE ON WINDOWS 10: The Lingering-Lock Case
After upgrading to Windows 10, some users notice that they have files OpenOffice reports as not editable. There is a report that the named file is locked for editing. (This is slightly different than saying the files are read-only.) WHEN THIS IS HAPPENING TO YOU ... If you followed the procedure given in the message, REPORTING Windows 10 Upgrade Issues: BASIC SITUATION and you find that *some* of your existing files are locked for editing while *others* including new ones you make are completely usable, try this procedure. TRY THIS 1. With any locked for editing file open, use File | Save As ... to save the file in the same place with a modification of the name. Then use Windows File Explorer to find the location of the locked version and delete it. This protects against opening the wrong one at a future time. 2. For any document that was described as locked for editing when you opened it, close the document if it is open and perform the following procedure. a. Note the location of the folder for the document. Open that folder in the Windows File Explorer. b. That folder probably has a hidden file named .~lock.your-file-name#, where your-file-name is the name of the file (without the folder part) that you found locked for editing. Use the File Explorer to delete that file. c. If you don't see such a file, it may be that File Explorer is not showing them to you. Here's how to make certain that they are visible: (i) In the Windows File Explorer window that is opened to the folder that has the file, select the View tab. (ii) In the Layout section of the View options, select Details. You can always change the view of folders to any other case later. Use Details for troubleshooting, as in this case. (iii) In the Show/hide section of the View options, CHECK File name extensions and Hidden items. (iv) That should reveal any hidden lock files in the folder you are viewing. Delete the ones that apply to documents you are using in Apache OpenOffice. IF YOU DON'T SUCCEED If you have different messages when opening a file in OpenOffice, please create a new message. This message and replies are solely about Windows 10 and locked for editing messages. If your situation is as described at the top of this message and this procedure does not work, please reply to this message on dev@openoffice.apache.org so we can explore further with you. If you reply directly to me, that will be permission for me to forward your message to the list as I see fit. - Dennis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
REPORTING Windows 10 Upgrade Issues: BASIC SITUATION
We are reading reports of some users being able to edit in OpenOffice after upgrading to Windows 10. We have not been able to reproduce the situation from that information alone. Many of us have upgraded to Windows 10 without difficulty. If you or someone you know is having this problem show up in OpenOffice, please help us by working with the Windows 10 computer that is involved. Reply only to dev@openoffice.apache.org and not to individuals. If you reply to me, I will assume that I have permission to post your reply to this list and personally forward it to the list. BASIC SITUATION INFORMATION This is a little lengthy. It is to obtain just the basics. Depending on the basic information, there will be follow-ups to obtain further details. 1. SCOPE OF PROBLEM Have you noticed this problem on files other than those you use with OpenOffice? If you don't know or if you only use OpenOffice to work on documents, no problem. If you can easily determine that this problem goes beyond OpenOffice, it is important to know that. If you notice the problem with other files and applications let us know. That is very important. Because you are having the difficulty with OpenOffice either way, please go through the remainder of this procedure anyhow. 1. SYSTEM CONFIGURATION In Windows 10, right click on the Windows button (leftmost symbol on the task bar), and then select System. Please report the following information from the display that appears. Windows edition The name of the edition (complete first line below Windows edition): System Processor: Installed memory (RAM): System type: Pen and Touch: 2. OPEN OFFICE CONFIGURATION Now left click on the Windows button On the left sidebar of the Start display that shows all programs, scroll down to the letter O where you see a folder named OpenOffice. If you don't see a list of all programs, click the All apps item at the bottom of the sidebar to show the list. If you do not see a left sidebar at all, click the menu button (a stack of three horizontal lines) in the upper-left corner of the start page. What is the full name of that OpenOffice folder (including any version number)?: Click on the OpenOffice entry in the all-programs entry. In the list that opens up, click on the first entry, for OpenOffice itself. Do not click on any of the individual components. OpenOffice should open and present its dashboard view. This provides a white frame including buttons for the six types of documents processed by OpenOffice. At the top of the opened OpenOffice window, there is a menu row. Click on the Help item. In the little pop-down list that opens, click About OpenOffice What is the version information in the About ... OpenOffice display that opens up? Name and version of the software (e.g., Apache OpenOffice 4.1.1: Rev. number (in line below name and version number) if any (e.g., 1617669): Click OK on the About ...OpenOffice display. On the dashboard, there is a diagram of a file folder with an arrow emerging from it. Click on the down pointer to the right of that image. (Not the folder, the down pointer). Do you see a list of the last few documents you worked on? How many items are in the list (default maximum is 10): IF THERE ARE NONE, STOP HERE. Let us know the information requested above and there will be a follow-up question. IF THERE ARE ITEMS IN THE LIST, CONTINUE. The items in the list are numbered. This information will be important later. Write down the numbers and the full names of the files at each number. You may have to put your mouse over any name that has been abbreviated to see the full name. The full names are important for forensic work. PLEASE REVIEW ALL OF THE QUESTIONS BELOW SO YOU CAN WORK THROUGH THE LIST ONLY ONCE: How many will open by clicking on their filenames in that list (do this in reverse order)?: (This is about opening in any mode, editable or not. To go through them one at a time, you will have to close the opened one without attempting any changes, then re-open OpenOffice to try the next one.) This procedure cannot open a file that has been moved from where it was last used in OpenOffice. OpenOffice will report this. How many of those are there? How many of those open with no problem and no indication they cannot be edited?: How many of those that open are identified as being read-only or not editable?: How do you determine that they are not editable? That is, what is the indication in the opened-document window. Is it the same for all of the documents that open read-only? Include the list of documents that open but that are not editable. The follow-up will ask you to narrow in on those files to see what about them is a problem. THAT'S MANY QUESTIONS When we see your response, we will have other questions about the locations of those documents, or of other OpenOffice
REPORTING Windows 10 Upgrade Issues: BASIC SITUATION - Correction
We are reading reports of some users *not* being able to edit in OpenOffice after upgrading to Windows 10. We have not been able to reproduce the situation from that information alone. Many of us have upgraded to Windows 10 without difficulty. If you or someone you know is having this problem show up in OpenOffice, please help us by working with the Windows 10 computer that is involved. Reply only to dev@openoffice.apache.org and not to individuals. If you reply to me, I will assume that I have permission to post your reply to this list and personally forward it to the list. BASIC SITUATION INFORMATION This is a little lengthy. It is to obtain just the basics. Depending on the basic information, there will be follow-ups to obtain further details. 1. SCOPE OF PROBLEM Do you see this problem using files in applications other than OpenOffice? If you notice the problem with other files and applications let us know. That is very important. Because you are having the difficulty with OpenOffice either way, please go through the remainder of this procedure anyhow. 1. SYSTEM CONFIGURATION In Windows 10, right click on the Windows button (leftmost symbol on the task bar), and then select System. Please report the following information from the display that appears. Windows edition The name of the edition (complete first line below Windows edition): System Processor: Installed memory (RAM): System type: Pen and Touch: 2. OPEN OFFICE CONFIGURATION Now left click on the Windows button On the left sidebar of the Start display that shows all programs, scroll down to the letter O where you see a folder named OpenOffice. If you don't see a list of all programs, click the All apps item at the bottom of the sidebar to show the list. If you do not see a left sidebar at all, click the menu button (a stack of three horizontal lines) in the upper-left corner of the start page. What is the full name of that OpenOffice folder (including any version number)?: Click on the OpenOffice entry in the all-programs entry. In the list that opens up, click on the first entry, for OpenOffice itself. Do not click on any of the individual components. OpenOffice should open and present its dashboard view. This provides a white frame including buttons for the six types of documents processed by OpenOffice. At the top of the opened OpenOffice window, there is a menu row. Click on the Help item. In the little pop-down list that opens, click About OpenOffice What is the version information in the About ... OpenOffice display that opens up? Name and version of the software (e.g., Apache OpenOffice 4.1.1: Rev. number (in line below name and version number) if any (e.g., 1617669): Click OK on the About ...OpenOffice display. On the dashboard, there is a diagram of a file folder with an arrow emerging from it. Click on the down pointer to the right of that image. (Not the folder, the down pointer). Do you see a list of the last few documents you worked on? How many items are in the list (default maximum is 10): IF THERE ARE NONE, STOP HERE. Let us know the information requested above and there will be a follow-up question. IF THERE ARE ITEMS IN THE LIST, CONTINUE. The items in the list are numbered. This information will be important later. Write down the numbers and the full names of the files at each number. You may have to put your mouse over any name that has been abbreviated to see the full name. The full names are important for forensic work. PLEASE REVIEW ALL OF THE QUESTIONS BELOW SO YOU CAN WORK THROUGH THE LIST ONLY ONCE: How many will open by clicking on their filenames in that list (do this in reverse order)?: (This is about opening in any mode, editable or not. To go through them one at a time, you will have to close the opened one without attempting any changes, then re-open OpenOffice to try the next one.) This procedure cannot open a file that has been moved from where it was last used in OpenOffice. OpenOffice will report this. How many of those are there? How many of those open with no problem and no indication they cannot be edited?: How many of those that open are identified as being read-only or not editable?: How do you determine that they are not editable? That is, what is the indication in the opened-document window. Is it the same for all of the documents that open read-only? Include the list of documents that open but that are not editable. The follow-up will ask you to narrow in on those files to see what about them is a problem. THAT'S MANY QUESTIONS When we see your response, we will have other questions about the locations of those documents, or of other OpenOffice documents that you tried to open that are not on that list of recent documents. Thank you for reporting your difficulty. Your answers will be instrumental in helping us to narrow down the case to
RE: REPORTING Windows 10 Upgrade Issues: BASIC SITUATION
Thanks max, you are correct about the missing not. Thanks. I'll correct that. We don't know if it is a global change of permissions, or some change related to account privileges, so far. The SCOPE OF PROBLEM section is intended to identify that case. Does that help? This is apparently a rare problem, not something done in all upgrades. We want to understand it. If it is not specific to OpenOffice, it is still important to support OpenOffice users in finding a resolution. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Max Merbald [mailto:max.merb...@gmx.de] Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 10:46 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: REPORTING Windows 10 Upgrade Issues: BASIC SITUATION Hello Dennis, I think in the first line of your text you mean, reports of some users NOT being able to edit in Openoffice after upgrading to Win 10. This is what I read from the mails in this list. I must say I haven't had any problems at all after I upgraded to Win 10; everything is in correct working order. As to the read-only files, maybe people who experience this should check in their file explorer if the files in the folder they are using for OpenOffice are set to read only. Seems like the likeliest thing to me. Max Am 08.08.2015 um 19:28 schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton: We are reading reports of some users being able to edit in OpenOffice after upgrading to Windows 10. We have not been able to reproduce the situation from that information alone. Many of us have upgraded to Windows 10 without difficulty. If you or someone you know is having this problem show up in OpenOffice, please help us by working with the Windows 10 computer that is involved. Reply only to dev@openoffice.apache.org and not to individuals. If you reply to me, I will assume that I have permission to post your reply to this list and personally forward it to the list. BASIC SITUATION INFORMATION This is a little lengthy. It is to obtain just the basics. Depending on the basic information, there will be follow-ups to obtain further details. 1. SCOPE OF PROBLEM Have you noticed this problem on files other than those you use with OpenOffice? If you don't know or if you only use OpenOffice to work on documents, no problem. If you can easily determine that this problem goes beyond OpenOffice, it is important to know that. If you notice the problem with other files and applications let us know. That is very important. Because you are having the difficulty with OpenOffice either way, please go through the remainder of this procedure anyhow. 1. SYSTEM CONFIGURATION In Windows 10, right click on the Windows button (leftmost symbol on the task bar), and then select System. Please report the following information from the display that appears. Windows edition The name of the edition (complete first line below Windows edition): System Processor: Installed memory (RAM): System type: Pen and Touch: 2. OPEN OFFICE CONFIGURATION Now left click on the Windows button On the left sidebar of the Start display that shows all programs, scroll down to the letter O where you see a folder named OpenOffice. If you don't see a list of all programs, click the All apps item at the bottom of the sidebar to show the list. If you do not see a left sidebar at all, click the menu button (a stack of three horizontal lines) in the upper-left corner of the start page. What is the full name of that OpenOffice folder (including any version number)?: Click on the OpenOffice entry in the all-programs entry. In the list that opens up, click on the first entry, for OpenOffice itself. Do not click on any of the individual components. OpenOffice should open and present its dashboard view. This provides a white frame including buttons for the six types of documents processed by OpenOffice. At the top of the opened OpenOffice window, there is a menu row. Click on the Help item. In the little pop-down list that opens, click About OpenOffice What is the version information in the About ... OpenOffice display that opens up? Name and version of the software (e.g., Apache OpenOffice 4.1.1: Rev. number (in line below name and version number) if any (e.g., 1617669): Click OK on the About ...OpenOffice display. On the dashboard, there is a diagram of a file folder with an arrow emerging from it. Click on the down pointer to the right of that image. (Not the folder, the down pointer). Do you see a list of the last few documents you worked on? How many items are in the list (default maximum is 10): IF THERE ARE NONE, STOP HERE. Let us know the information requested above and there will be a follow-up question. IF THERE ARE ITEMS IN THE LIST, CONTINUE. The items in the list are numbered. This information will be important later. Write down the numbers
RE: STATE OF AOO: Overall Bugzilla Activity through July 2015
Marcus, the queries I did for identification of open issues found only issues with no resolution of any kind. That automatically excluded issues with any of DUPLICATE, ..., WON'T FIX, and CLOSED status. Older open issues, some from long before Apache OpenOffice was established, continue to receive discussion and comments and, even in 2015, sometimes become resolved, including with fixes. I think it is good to hold onto the history simply to be able to reflect that. I agree that immediate concerns are best explored by looking more deeply into the 2015 issues and discussions to gain better perspective. I suspect the older open issues to look more closely at first are ones that are still being discussed, including being duplicated by new issue reports. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 05:18 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: STATE OF AOO: Overall Bugzilla Activity through July 2015 Thanks for generating the numbers. Even when it is no surprise that we have many unsolved issues, it's always good to know the current values. In general I agree with Juergen and Roberto, we should focus on the newer times of AOO. Suggestion: To get rid of old issues we need to close all issues that are already in a state short before closure [*]: Duplicate, Irreproducible, Obsolete, Not_an_issue, Verified, Wont_fix As second step we can close all issues that are in status Resolved and last updated months/years ago. Then we have a much lower base of open issues and can filter better about age, importantance and severity. Finally it's then easier to decide what to do with the remaining open issues. [*] This makes it necessary to stop all BZ notification mails. Otherwise we get flooded by billions of mails and get hit by the Infra team all summer long. ;-) Marcus [ ... ] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: [DISCUSS] RE: [DISCUSS] Calendar for New chair of AOO
A member of the PMC has objected to changing the date for closing nominations, leaving it at August 16. I think that is a sufficient basis for leaving things as they are. I am aligned with that too. - Dennis -Original Message- From: jan i [mailto:j...@apache.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 11:05 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Cc: Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] RE: [DISCUSS] Calendar for New chair of AOO Hi it seems there are different opinions on how to handle the rest of the chair election process. I suggested a timeline, in the beginning, but I cannot see consensus, so I will not change the timeline, [ ... ] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: For Information: Reported Windows 10 problems
These accounts don't provide enough information to nail anything down to root causes, and some of the forum cases are not resolved one way or the other yet. My main desktop machine upgraded (with my permission) to Windows 10 Pro x64 on the evening of July 29. I already had AOO 4.1.1 and LibreOffice 4.3.5.2 installed. I just did some random opening of existing .odt and .ods files in both applications. I just opened all AOO applications from the menu window. I am unable to find any of these problems. I don't dispute that others are having some sort of trouble. I am saying it is not something I can isolate any evidence for. We need to have someone who can work with us to resolve a Bugzilla on a specific case, being able to provide screen shots or other useful information on exactly what is happening, what the messages are, etc. We also need to keep other reports separate unless the detailed actual situations are confirmed to be the same. I am happy to work with anyone who is able to do that and has a demonstrated case of post-upgrade difficulties that we can nail down. - Dennis PS: When getting the Windows File Explorer properties for a folder, the Read-only attribute box will tend to have a black square in it. This does not mean that all of the files are read only. This may be misleading some folks into thinking that is their problem. Only if there is a check-mark in the box are the files in the folder all set to read-only. (The black box apparently means there might be some read-only files in the folder below, and those are usually system files, not everything.) PPS: I have seen reports that Windows 10 Home (not Pro) has increased security safeguards. I don't know if this is related or not. PPPS: I have not attempted any fresh installs of anything. I will install a later version of LibreOffice to see if there are problems there. Based on my experience so far, I do not expect any. -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:r...@robweir.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 05:47 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: For Information: Reported Windows 10 problems I see this as well: http://www.cnet.com/forums/discussions/windows-10-changed-all-my-documents-to-read-only/ The test to do is check the file in Windows Explorer. Right click and go to the Properties panel. If it is marked read only there, with AOO not even running, then it is an OS issue. -Rob On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 3:51 AM, Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie wrote: I should stat by saying that I do not now use Windows other than an old version for access to archived files in old formats, so what I write below is based on a quick analysis from memory of recent Forum postings. There are a number of reported Windows 10 problems, some of which are being laid at the door of OpenOffice although they may be generic W10 upgrade difficulties and/or user problems with that upgrade. I list below some of the recent threads. The most common problem is that the W10 upgrade leaves all OpenOffice files (and, from other reports, other application files) in read-only form; this read-only may possibly be removable but there is no clear 100% effective path to do this (from the reports below) Other reports are of inability to open OO applications - Calc apparently being the most commonly affected. https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9t=78470 https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6t=78450 https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15t=78432 https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15t=78445 -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: [DISCUSS] RE: [DISCUSS] Calendar for New chair of AOO
The August Board meeting is on August 19 and I suspect that a resolution to the Board must be provided on or before August 17. (I couldn't find a different deadline other than 2 days before.) My sense is that it is very important to be consistent and deliberate. For me, August 16 closing of nominations is an established, public date. There might be some generous lazy consensus period for reaching a different nomination-closing date so long as there are no further nominations or any request for the full time to accept nominations. Apart from concern that we demonstrate care in making any alterations, I am neutral with regard to the change of the closing date. As the only current nominee, it is awkward for me to say any more than that. - Dennis -Original Message- From: jan i [mailto:j...@apache.org] Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 11:25 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] RE: [DISCUSS] Calendar for New chair of AOO On 3 August 2015 at 19:59, Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote: On 08/03/2015 12:48 PM, Roberto Galoppini wrote: It seems to me that so far we have only one candidate. Given the actual situation I'd prefer us to consider the option to speed this up. We have many things to do, ranging from the Digital signing to go out with a new release, if we can close this we could probably focus on technical matters only. Does anyone have a problem to speed up this process? A big +1 from me, although I'm neither a committer nor a PMC member, I am a director, and would love to see AOO move past this road block, and potential source of controversy, and on to doing what the project was chartered to do. +1 from me, provided the PMC is in agreement on it. Please remember the original date was 16 August, so there might be candidates out there waiting (just like Dennis was not nominated the first day). In case the PMC decides to close for more candidates, I suggest a 72 hour (+weekend if needed) lazy consensus, and then I can make the needed resolution to board, we might even make it to the August board meeting. rgds jan i. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: [DISCUSS] RE: [DISCUSS] Calendar for New chair of AOO
Good point concerning closing nominations with time remaining for discussion of the candidates prior to any [VOTE]. Perhaps that can just be 7 days from the last accepted-/self-nomination or August 16, whichever is later. I think it is prudent to find some slack in the process, in case there is anything unexpected. - Dennis -Original Message- From: jan i [mailto:j...@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 15:38 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; orc...@apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] RE: [DISCUSS] Calendar for New chair of AOO On Thursday, July 30, 2015, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: It looks like two mileposts are the same, with August 16 (17 days from now) including Discuss. they are only partly the same. new candidates ends august 16th, giving the PMC tine to discuss. I suggest that the Discussion ends August 23 be removed. If you do that candidates entering the last days have hardly time to be discussed. I suggest that we can then have Voting ends backed up to August 28, 12 days from August 16. ok with me, if there is PMC consensus. [ ... ] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: [DISCUSS] RE: [DISCUSS] Calendar for New chair of AOO
Let me correct my clumsy wording. Here's another try. I think a full week of discussion with all known candidates can occur by having the discussion end on August 16, when nominations close, or 7 days after the last accepted-/self- nomination, whichever is later. Another way to say this is Discussion will end 7 days after the last accepted-/self- Nomination, and no earlier than August 16. Since August 16 is already on the books, that would not change, but we might find some slack post-August 16. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2015 15:27 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] RE: [DISCUSS] Calendar for New chair of AOO Good point concerning closing nominations with time remaining for discussion of the candidates prior to any [VOTE]. Perhaps that can just be 7 days from the last accepted-/self-nomination or August 16, whichever is later. I think it is prudent to find some slack in the process, in case there is anything unexpected. - Dennis -Original Message- From: jan i [mailto:j...@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 15:38 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; orc...@apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] RE: [DISCUSS] Calendar for New chair of AOO On Thursday, July 30, 2015, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: It looks like two mileposts are the same, with August 16 (17 days from now) including Discuss. they are only partly the same. new candidates ends august 16th, giving the PMC tine to discuss. I suggest that the Discussion ends August 23 be removed. If you do that candidates entering the last days have hardly time to be discussed. I suggest that we can then have Voting ends backed up to August 28, 12 days from August 16. ok with me, if there is PMC consensus. [ ... ] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: [DISCUSSION] ODF Plugfest, September 2015
On reflection, I need to be here in Seattle for my wife's already-scheduled departure to Italy on September 17. My attendance at this Plugfest is not an option, even with coverage of my travel and expenses. Sorry. I would have enjoyed attending were it feasible. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2015 07:29 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] ODF Plugfest, September 2015 (was RE: [NOMINATION] Dennis Hamilton ... ) On 01/08/2015 Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: I do not have the means to travel to The Netherlands for this event. Well, the project does have funds to spend on events and they have to be spent, so funding is only a matter of a discussion/vote/consensus here. Don't worry about this. [ ... ] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
[NOMINATION] Dennis Hamilton (was [DISCUSS] Would you like to be the new chair ...)
I am gratified by the endorsements made to me on this thread. I accept nomination for recommendation as the next Chair for Apache OpenOffice. Jan's August 16 milestone should give us time to identify other's willing to serve as Chair and address any questions that the AOO community may have for all of us. Having served on the PMC since Valentine Day 2015, I thought it would be useful to update the statement that I provided on January 25. RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE CHAIR My promise, if selected, is to faithfully deliver on the responsibilities of a PMC Chair as specified at http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair. I understand that the Chair is not an executive in any form, and that, apart from the accountability to the Board and facilitation of deliberations, the Chair serves as an ordinary member of the PMC. APPROACH TO APACHE OPEN OFFICE My promise is to serve as an effective member of the PMC with particular attention to PMC responsibilities to the Foundation and also to the cultivation of a sustainable, thriving project. This will also require a clear-eyed assessment of what our capabilities and capacity for development are and what the feasible opportunities are. I returned to AOO (and Corinthia) last year because of some ideas I had for furthering the interoperability among ODF-support products of all kinds. I have dabbled with the code but it is clear to me that the learning curve is too steep for me at this stage of my life. I will focus on those activities that I am already equipped to perform, including improvement of interoperability testing and test materials. I am also interested in QA and how user support can be broadened with materials brought current and highly-available. That will be more than enough for me to tackle by way of personal contribution over the next year or so. - Dennis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
[DISCUSSION] ODF Plugfest, September 2015 (was RE: [NOMINATION] Dennis Hamilton ... )
Roberto mentions the forthcoming ODF Plugfest to be held September 15-16 at the Hague. WHAT THE ODF PLUGFEST IS Information about the Plugfest is on this Wiki page: http://plugtest.opendocsociety.org/doku.php?id=plugfests:201509_thehague:info. To see how these have operated, it is useful to look at the programs of prior plugfests starting with the two in 2009 (although some of the historical material seems to consist of placeholders). I have not been to any of these except vicariously as a member of the OASIS ODF Interoperability and Conformance (OIC) Technical Committee and as a participant in some of the planning. I see three matters that are useful to be present for. Anyone could attend to participate as a contributor to Apache OpenOffice in those events: 1. The presentations on ODF adoption and also on developments of the ODF specifications 2. The subsequent presentations on implementation efforts, where 8 are listed so far, including Apache OpenOffice. 3. The Interop testing that occupies the remainder of the first day and all of the second day. For this, it is desirable to show up with demonstration and test documents to interchanges and then inspect implementations. This activity tends to be conducted in confidence, regrettably. There is a sample scenario template to use in presenting tests. AOO PARTICIPATION For AOO, it would be good to have some simple presentation of status for (2) and to have some contributions (3) of tests or exemplary documents for which interoperability is a concern. Roberto has been on the calls for organization of the Plugtest and it is valuable that he is doing so. His keeping us apprised of what AOO might do to contribute and to participate will be very helpful. I think if we create a portfolio of tests and a few slides on the status of AOO by mid-September, anyone could be present as an AOO participant. The Plugfests are obviously more amenable to participation by ODF experts and implementers that are based in Europe and we have able members of the AOO community there. MY PERSONAL PARTICIPATION I have always wanted to go to a Plugfest and never managed to arrange it. I think we have many able spokespersons. I do not have the means to travel to The Netherlands for this event. I am willing to go, although it would be valuable to at least have someone more technically involved around interoperability testing. I don't think it is necessary to have someone be an official of some form, whether PMC member or a Chair. Here at dev@ we can work up a status report that anyone could deliver and also development of any contributions to the interoperability testing that would be useful for cross-implementation demonstration/confirmation in those sessions. I am happy to cooperate in any way I can in the development of such materials. I trust Roberto will continue to participate on the calls (since they tend to be at 6am in my local time). - Dennis PS: Roberto may have been reminded of this because Rob Weir recalled meeting me at an ODF Plugfest. There never has been one of those in the United States. Rob and I met for the first time at an ISO/IEC JTC1 SC34 plenary and Working Group meetings in Bellevue, Washington, near Redmond. I had the pleasure of showing Rob some of the sights in downtown Seattle on the day ahead of those events. PPS: Coincidentally, the day *after* the ODF Plugfest, my wife is traveling to Firenze for three weeks in Tuscany, centered on a pottery workshop in Certaldo. I won't be on that trip. -Original Message- From: Roberto Galoppini [mailto:roberto.galopp...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 13:21 To: dev dev@openoffice.apache.org; orc...@apache.org Subject: Re: [NOMINATION] Dennis Hamilton (was [DISCUSS] Would you like to be the new chair ...) [ ... ] Unrelated to the nomination: Dennis how about being AOO representative at the upcoming ODF Plugfest, to be held in on September 15th in The Hague? I've attended a phone call meeting a couple of weeks ago, it seems like this is shaping nicely, and I guess you would be our best spokeperson over there. thoughts? [ ... ] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
[DISCUSS] RE: [DISCUSS] Would you like to be the new chair of AOO ?
This is not a nomination statement. It is a comment and a procedural suggestion. COMMENT Jan, I am certain that you gave deep consideration to your decision to resign. I trust that you have other pursuits that are more satisfying and that you can now provide full devotion to. I wish you good fortune in all endeavors that you commit your considerable energies to. For me, your continued participation on the PMC, at whatever level you choose, will be welcome. PROPOSAL Two things, 1. If there is only one nominee at the end of discussion, I suggest that a (5-day or 7-day) lazy consensus period, not a [VOTE], be conducted for that candidate. This allows discussion on the specific candidate, including response to any objections, and the achievement of consensus without the awful situation that Louis Suarez-Potts endured in the previous determination of a Chair recommendation. 2. I think candidates should be current PMC members (although that could simply be a matter of stated qualifications in the process we are starting now). I base that on neither of the previous candidates being current PMC members. I found, for myself, on joining the PMC after the previous election, that I was definitely missing background and understanding of the status of the PMC and issues it was being faced with. I also missed seeing the way the outgoing Chair (i.e., Andrea Pescetti) provided examples as a PMC Chair. For those who consider this role, please consult and embrace the definition of PMC Chair responsibilities at https://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair. - Dennis -Original Message- From: jan i [mailto:j...@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 03:39 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: [DISCUSS] Would you like to be the new chair of AOO ? Hi. I will resign at the board meeting in September, so the current schedule looks like: Accept/Nominate/Discuss candidates until August 16th Discussion ends August 23th Voting ends September 4th Resolution send to board September 5th. New chair takes over immediately after the board meeting. [ ... ] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: [DISCUSS] RE: [DISCUSS] Calendar for New chair of AOO
It looks like two mileposts are the same, with August 16 (17 days from now) including Discuss. I suggest that the Discussion ends August 23 be removed. I suggest that we can then have Voting ends backed up to August 28, 12 days from August 16. This allows some slack time in case there is more to figure out before submitting the resolution to the board by Saturday, September 5. (Also, please note that this is on a major Holiday weekend in the United States, with Monday September 7 being the US Labor Day celebration.) - Dennis -Original Message- From: jan i [mailto:j...@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 03:39 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: [DISCUSS] Would you like to be the new chair of AOO ? Hi. I will resign at the board meeting in September, so the current schedule looks like: Accept/Nominate/Discuss candidates until August 16th Discussion ends August 23th Voting ends September 4th Resolution send to board September 5th. New chair takes over immediately after the board meeting. [ ... ] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: 4.1.2_release_blocker requested: [Issue 122712] PDF Export dialog too tall for some monitor screens
+1 also -Original Message- From: jan i [mailto:j...@apache.org] Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2015 05:17 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: 4.1.2_release_blocker requested: [Issue 122712] PDF Export dialog too tall for some monitor screens On 18 July 2015 at 00:53, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: [ ... ] I've temporarily posted screenshots, before and after applying the patch, at http://people.apache.org/~pescetti/tmp/2015-07-i122712/ (I used the Italian version since strings tend to be longer and some localization issues may appear) Everything looks fine to me. We usually don't want to change the interface in a x.y.2 release, but here all strings and options remain exactly the same, they are just moved around for better visibility at some resolutions. Shall we use this rearranged layout for 4.1.2? +1 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Open office Calc crashing
It need not be the same bug. An SEH Exception: Access Violation usually means that the hardware detected an invalid access. See https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms679329(v=vs.85).aspx. In general, an Access Violation is not recoverable, which is how it shows up as an OpenOffice 4.x.x - Fatal Error. The underlying cause is usually some sort of data violation or pointer error. It can come and go because, although there is a defect, it depends on the memory layout at a given time and it also depends on what the hardware checks are and whether they are enabled. It can well be data dependent and involve what the user is doing and the nature of the document being worked on. These should be treated as crashers. But we must be aware that this is a generic notification and it could have a different root cause from one report to another. Also, they need not be newly-introduced bugs, but ones that simply had not been caught as access violations until the storage allocation of the program changed. Examples that could but would not always trigger this are (1) access to previously- released or unallocated memory, (2) accesses that go off the end of the stack, and (3) reads/writes off the end of something where the storage off that end is not readable by the current process or not writeable as data. When there is no detected access violation, it is likely that something is being silently corrupted. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 09:33 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Cc: binny.ja...@firmusoft.co.in Subject: Re: Open office Calc crashing Binny James wrote: May I know why this coming: I am working in a Windows 8 64 bit I was working with calc Is it this bug? https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=125567 It is reported and confirmed only with Impress so far, but your report looks quite similar to it. See the link above for a detailed discussion. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: How to commit changes to 410 branch?
I saw this on dev@ a.o and have not read later things here. Forgive me if there are other recommendations. I trust any solution Kay comes up with. My suggestion: Copy 4.1.0 to a 4.1.2 branch. Staunch the problems of difficulty synchronizing source to distributions and also allow a way to make a release-specific retro-active patch if necessary to issue one. I don't know if you can commit individual changes, by copying from trunk to a branch. Someone here should know. Or copy trunk to a 4.1.2 branch, assuming all the mods in it belong in 4.1.2. That would be ideal. We are digging a hole for ourselves and anyone who needs to audit our stuff otherwise. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 12:48 To: OOoDev Apache Subject: How to commit changes to 410 branch? It seems we are still using the 410 branch for the 4.1.2 release. There have been quite a number of changes to trunk since the 4.1.1 release that I feel ALL these should be incorporated into 4.1.2. How do we get the changes from trunk into the 410 branch easily? It seems we could use -- svn copy my changes https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branches/AOO410/trunk/my changes and do a commit on https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branches/AOO410/my changes once this is done? If not, how do we do this without actually making the 410 branch local? Wouldn't it be easier just to tag when we're ready to do the release instead of all this back porting? -- MzK We can all sleep easy at night knowing that somewhere at any given time, the Foo Fighters are out there fighting Foo. -- David Letterman - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: [Q] Question about Mailarchive
With regard to the disclosure of email addresses in various ways via Apache Software Foundation Services, the disclosure of email addresses is rather widespread. It appears that the MBox option for obscuring e-mail addresses applies only to the From: field of an archived post. There is no obfuscation of email addresses or anything else in the body of a message. In a reply or forwarding, a sender's email address is also likely exposed. If someone wants to harvest these email addresses, the easiest way is to subscribe to the list and harvest everything in the messages in the form they are forwarded to list subscribers. This is easier and won't reveal itself in the archive-server logs. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Mathias Röllig [mailto:mroellig.n...@gmx.net] Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 15:40 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: [Q] Question about Mailarchive Hello Andrea! All things against spambots are good things, isn't it? Still this wouldn't solve the problem, since other mirroring services are not guaranteed to conceal addresses. This will result into the question who owns the data and who have the right to mirror public the messages. But this is another discussion. I note that Bugzilla is the first forum for me that post ALL of its registered usernames and corresponding email addresses via mail archive to the internet. Thank you! Regards, Mathias - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: July board report [and CVE-2015-1774].
THE TL;DR: I agree. The extensive lag to availability of 4.1.2 is far more pertinent at the level of the Board Report. The existence of CVE-2015-1774 does not change that and should not overshadow it. I think featuring CVE-2015-1774 in the report exaggerates its importance and ignores the deliberation that accompanied our announcement of a straightforward CVE-2015-1774 mitigation, http://www.openoffice.org/security/cves/CVE-2015-1774.html. - Dennis MORE MUSINGS We are not talking about a defect for which there is a known exploit and there would be very few users, if any, who might encounter one, were one worth developing. While Simon has expressed his own perspective on how dangerous the related defect is and what users are exposed to, that is not the consensus of the AOO security team and those who have oversight on its deliberations. That does not mean we shouldn't take further steps. It just means we have concluded there is no emergency. It would probably be a simpler and more-fruitful action to simply make this web page, http://www.openoffice.org/security/, the bulletins, and their translations more prominent and easily found on our web site. Also, with respect to CVE-2015-1774, I think the population of concern is those who use old (ca. 1999 and earlier) Korean-language HWP documents and are happily using OO.o 2.4 through 3.4 releases, remaining ignorant of AOO 4.1.2 and already-repaired LibreOffice distributions. We can do what we are able to do, when we do it, yet there is little to be done for folks who have no desire or even means to replace their OpenOffice software. -Original Message- From: jan i [mailto:j...@apache.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 06:20 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: July board report. On 30 June 2015 at 14:45, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 1:38 PM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: On 30 June 2015 at 13:54, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:51 PM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: Hi. It is again time to make a board report, you can find my proposal at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/2015+July comments and changes are welcome. Should the fact CVE-2015-1774 is still unresolved in the released version be mentioned? It is kind of obvious, no new release so of course it is still unresolved. The previous Board report was issued just before the CVE was made public, and is thus not mentioned. Given it's been unresolved for four months, two public, shouldn't it be mentioned this time? Allow me to correct your statement, it is not unresolved. We discussed it on this list and a workaround has been provided. That is the important part, had we not issued a workaround (and please do remember the theoretical nature of the problem), then it would have been escalated through other channels. But apart from that it is not custom to mention CVE in board reports, independent of their status. I have nothing against mentioning it, if the community at large feels it is needed, even though it would be exceptional. rgds jan i. Thanks, Simon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Background to Cooperation: ASF/AOO Principles, Policies, Practices
Thanks Jan, it is valuable to comprehend just how narrow individual exceptions are. Comment in-line -Original Message- From: jan i [mailto:j...@apache.org] Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 14:53 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; orc...@apache.org Subject: Re: Background to Cooperation: ASF/AOO Principles, Policies, Practices On 28 June 2015 at 19:49, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: [ ... ] An example of an exception that is specific to the Apache OpenOffice project is the distribution of convenience binaries that have writing-aid plug-ins bundled with them that are not themselves under a license that is acceptable for source-code releases. There are a number of specific, delimited provisions under which this action is found consistent with Apache principles although it is an exception to a general policy. This practice was only introduced after obtaining review and eventual concurrence via the list on which legal and license questions are discussed. orcmid The narrowness of the exception for these plug-ins is that they contain no code, they deliver data in a general format that can be used in a well-defined technique, and that they are completely replaceable. Users can also install additional ones of their choosing and remove/disable the ones that are provided in the binary distributions as a convenience. It is also the case that, if one inspects the plug-in (using a form of Zip package), one would encounter all applicable license information and there would be no confusion over the license that is specific to them material conveyed by a given plug-in. /orcmid I would be very careful about interpreting the above extract. The plugins do contains quite a lot of code, and some of them like the dictionaries are not really optional. We actually deliver plugins as part of our own exe, so we do distribute some of the plugins without a special license. But legal has looked at what we deliver and accepted it, so no need to detail that further. You also use the word narrowness, as if these exceptions are written in stone, that is not the case, we can always ask for other exceptions if needed (whether we get them is a different matter). orcmid The specific *individual* exception is very narrow. That is what I meant. And exceptions always apply to specific cases. For example, the one I linked to is about a situation with Apache OpenOffice and it was asked with respect to writing aids, GPL dictionaries in particular. The title of the issue is Aggregation of GPL dictionaries with Apache OpenOffice, https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-117, and the question is, specifically can Apache OpenOffice include GPL spell-checking dictionaries with its binary releases?. Of course there can be more exceptions, each reviewed and approved or disallowed with respect to individual cases. And the exception granted to AOO for the particular case is not an extension of policy. That is the point of my remarks here. On reflection, I also think that is why Sam Ruby did not discuss the prospect of other licenses being comingled in those [dictionary] plug-ins. That was not part of the request and legal was not about to expand the scope of LEGAL-117 scope beyond what was asked for. My observations about other mingled licenses at the time would best have gone back to the [P]PMC (the origin of the exception request). PS: I don't think legal has looked at what AOO delivers. They considered the request and assume that the [P]PMC requested what it actually needed and only what it actually needed and proposed to do. This is not a blanket exception for all manner of plug-ins having GPL licenses and it applies specifically to AOO binary distributions. /orcmid rgds jan i. [ ... ] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: ODF 1.2 is published ISO standard since 2015-06-17
Thanks Regina, that is great news. A few somewhat serious items: 1. It is not necessary to pay the ISO/IEC Swiss Franks tax for those documents. They are available as Publicly Available standards at http://standards.iso.org/ittf/PubliclyAvailableStandards/index.html. (Scroll way down to ISO/IEC 26300-1:2015 and those below.) 2. There was an agreement that the previous ODF 1.1 Standards (and the Addenda/Corrigenda) would remain available as ISO/IEC 26300:20?? (not 2015). That does not seem to have happened. 3. There is a fourth document, having no part number, that provides important information about the three parts that are published. (I suppose, technically, it is ISO/IEC 26300-0:2015). The problem with this ungainly part being omitted is that it includes the Conformance Requirements for ODF 1.2 that apply to parts 1-3. I don't believe those have been moved. Because of this, I recommend that folks download the authoritative ODF 1.2 specifications from OASIS, since the text is presumably identical, with substitution of ISO/IEC covers and front matter. The full set of all forms of the OASIS ODF 1.2 specifications can be downloaded in a handy Zip, with the necessary schemas and all parts -- PDF, ODT, and HTML. Go to http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/os/ and take what you want or get the entire package by downloading OpenDocument-v1.2-os.zip. I will forward these comments to SC34 WG6 and the OASIS ODF TC Comment List. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Regina Henschel [mailto:rb.hensc...@t-online.de] Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 11:34 To: AOO dev; LO dev fdo Subject: ODF 1.2 is published ISO standard since 2015-06-17 Hi all, only to inform you: ODF 1.2 is a published ISO standard since 2015-06-17. It has the numbers ISO/IEC 26300-1:2015, ISO/IEC 26300-2:2015, and ISO/IEC 26300-3:2015. http://www.iso.org/iso/home/store/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=66363 Kind regards Regina - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Background to Cooperation: ASF/AOO Principles, Policies, Practices
Before getting into specifics about how AOO practices fit ASF Principles, it may be useful to consider that there is a hierarchy from principles to policies to practices. It is useful to consider how exceptions arise and are put into practice too. - Dennis PRINCIPLES ABOVE POLICIES For this discussion, it is useful to consider principles as a fundamental source and foundation of chains of reasoning about policies and then practices that then conform to those policies. Principles are behind what we do that matters. There is room for arbitrariness where no principle is contradicted and there may be many ways to provide policies that are consistent with the essential principles. Consider principles to be abstract and high-level with policies being (more) specific and narrowing. It is often the case that one senses principles in the background of the policies that are announced and enacted. Do not expect sharp boundaries. The greatest principle is in the mission of the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) to provide software for the public good (http://www.apache.org/foundation/). How the ASF has declared itself to operate in the public interest in providing such software is the context for its principles and policies. A great place to see the kinds of principled approaches applicable to Apache Projects is the Maturity Model for Apache Projects, http://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html. You can see the mix around degrees of specificity there. There are principles about what one would be able to observe about a given Apache Project, without specifying the details about what would be observed. There are some quite specific policies. Examples: Items CD10-CD50 do not say how those qualities of code are achieved and demonstrable. One can perceive these as principles leaving it up to other policies and project practices to demonstrate their satisfaction. Item LC10 about releases being under the Apache License, version 2.0, is a specific policy. It is useful to explore all of these items from CD10 (on code) to IN20 (on contributors acting as themselves and not as members of organizations). There is more about principles to be found in * How the ASF Works, http://apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html, with some varying detail. Review the role of Project Management Committees (PMC) under Foundation Structure. Review the Project Management and Collaboration section, especially the principled Philosophy subsection. * The Getting Started for Contributors page, http://community.apache.org/contributors/ has more information about this and the Project Independence section links to specific policies and practices. PRACTICES AND EXCEPTIONS There are many practices that support how the ASF pursues its mission. The use of mailing lists is one example. The use of services supported on Apache infrastructure is another. There can be exceptions to policy and deviations among practices. Exceptions tend to be very specific and not generalized. (I suspect a generalization would be a change/amendment of policy and a serious review of any conflicts with established principles.) An example of an exception that is specific to the Apache OpenOffice project is the distribution of convenience binaries that have writing-aid plug-ins bundled with them that are not themselves under a license that is acceptable for source-code releases. There are a number of specific, delimited provisions under which this action is found consistent with Apache principles although it is an exception to a general policy. This practice was only introduced after obtaining review and eventual concurrence via the list on which legal and license questions are discussed. Finally, it is important to understand the community focus and information about it, http://community.apache.org/. Conduct of projects is highly decentralized and projects have considerable freedom and variation *so long as* the prevailing principles, policies, and related processes are honored. Exceptions must be very narrowly and specifically defined and do require pre-approval. It is valuable to find a way to operate without any exceptions. That will come up when specific opportunities for cooperation and collaboration are considered. -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 13:58 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: AOO Principles for Cooperation among ODF Projects [ ... ] I want to address what the aspirations of the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) are in terms of its principles and policies, and how they arise in the character of Apache projects. When I appeal to principles that are bedrock for the Apache Software Foundation, I will provide references and locations where those are presented and discussed already. The idea is to identify fundamental principles behind the framework which AOO
AOO Principles for Cooperation among ODF Projects
In April, Andrea Pescetti provided a great blog post on prospects for cooperative work among users with shared interest in the OpenOffice code base, Collaboration is in our DNA: https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/collaboration_is_in_our_dna. That topic and related matters have been discussed from time-to-time in private discussions of the Apache OpenOffice PMC. There is agreement that it is best, and timely, to have this discussion in the entire Apache OpenOffice community. That means discussing collaboration and cooperation prospects here on dev@ openoffice.apache.org. I propose to kick that off now. - Dennis BACKGROUND AND SKETCH I am a member of the AOO PMC and also an ASF Committer. This note and the others I will offer are my personal opinions and analysis. I am *not* speaking for the PMC in any manner. I am simply expressing my suggestions on how to articulate a foundation for collaboration. This is to bootstrap a discussion that matters to the PMC, I trust, and that will be valuable to the AOO community and other on-lookers. I want to address what the aspirations of the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) are in terms of its principles and policies, and how they arise in the character of Apache projects. When I appeal to principles that are bedrock for the Apache Software Foundation, I will provide references and locations where those are presented and discussed already. The idea is to identify fundamental principles behind the framework which AOO and all ASF Projects operate within and which cooperative activities are expected to be consistent with. The idea is to use that as a basis for exploring and bootstrapping some actual cooperative activities. Here's what I see in a progression of discussions about principles and areas for action. 1. The ASF Principles on how code of others is accepted into ASF Projects and how it is respected. 2. The ASF Principles on source code and what kind of licenses are required on source code that is part of a release. 3. The possibilities for cooperation on source code that cannot be used directly in an ASF Project release and how that can be handled in distribution of binaries. The preferences for optional dependency as opposed to essential dependencies and where they apply. Dependencies that are disallowed on principle (and for which only very specific, narrow exceptions are considered, if ever). 4. Other forms of cooperation that are mutually beneficial and provide important reduction of duplicate efforts, magnified impact of contributor efforts, etc. These include security, incident reporting (bug reports) and analysis, and QA for starters. There is also one that is important to me personally and that is cooperation on interoperability assessment and documentation that expands the quality of support for ODF (and, potentially, OOXML). End-user-facing support is also a gigantic opportunity for improved support of users here and elsewhere. Developer-facing support such as hackathons, plugfests, and interop demos and cross-pollination at organized events is also opportune. 5. The prospect for some sort of federation around the openoffice.org code base and perhaps interoperable/reference ODF implementation. That's my thinking. I offer this overall sketch as context for the initial introduction of topics to follow. - Dennis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: [Q] Question about Mailarchive
The email addresses of submitters and those who have CC'd themselves are certainly visible to anyone who creates a Bugzilla account (there are no limitations), just as to anyone who subscribes to an issues@ list or accesses an issues@ list archive. People should understand that there is no email-account privacy for email addresses used in those contexts. That applies to forums and wikis that projects operate or are affiliated with projects. (One difficulty we have is people who write to users@ without realizing they are writing to a mailing list. That does not happen too often though.) There is no policy that involves hiding of email addresses. There is a desire for transparency and also visible provenance of contributions. As Jan remarked, an alias is one semi-transparent way to contribute in a manner that does not reveal one's personal email account or identification. (Apache committers automatically have @apache.org email addresses as aliases, although they are amazingly under-used.) Folks who choose to operate anonymously will have difficulty participating in Apache Projects, although one can register an alias so long as an actual identification is recorded with the Secretary of the ASF. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Mathias Röllig [mailto:mroellig.n...@gmx.net] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 05:18 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: [Q] Question about Mailarchive Hello! A special case is bugzilla. Bugzilla not intends to be a mailing list. It seems it is a closed forum which shows sender addresses only for people who are logged in. Bugzilla posts will be streamed into a mailing list - and there is the problem. We do it with bugzilla and also with subversion. I actually do not see the problem, bugzilla/subversion are as such is also public, and anybody can go in and read the content, even without a user. I do not talk about the content - only about the email addresses. And these are not public in bugzilla. Regards Mathias - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: [Q] Question about Mailarchive
I don't recall seeing a privacy policy as part of creating a Bugzilla account. If you look at the home page at https://bz.apache.org/ooo/ and are logged in, notice that it shows your email address as who is logged in and who you would be logging out. On a bug page, if you click to see who is on a CC list, you will see a list of email addresses. Although names are shown for submitters, the values of those links are mailto: URLs with the email addresses, and you can also see that if you mouse-over those links. There is some obfuscation in the HTML code on those pages, so scraping the web page does not find URLs easily. For example, in the CC List for an issue, the @ is in the HTML as #64; the character code of that character. So a harvester would have to know that possibility when searching for email addresses. The address displays with @ but that is not what will be found if scanning the web page. Also, requiring that an user be logged in also inhibits most of the links and that appears to be a common Bugzilla implementation behavior. Also, I am able to see CC Lists without logging in at the AOO Bugzilla and at a non-ASF Bugzilla that I use. This obfuscation won't solve the fact that emails and archives based on the Bugzilla issues and comments on them will reveal email addresses. Those present the user-chosen name and the email address that the user employed. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Mathias Röllig [mailto:mroellig.n...@gmx.net] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 16:25 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: [Q] Question about Mailarchive Hello! It seems, we are talking about different things. There is no policy that involves hiding of email addresses. There is [...] Is this clear for anybody who create an account for bugzilla? Folks who choose to operate anonymously will have difficulty [...] I'm not talking about anonymity. The problem is the visibility of email addresses for spambots. - Mathias - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: AOO Principles for Cooperation among ODF Projects
Thanks Jan, - Commenting inline to - From: jan i [mailto:j...@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 15:40 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; orc...@apache.org Subject: Re: AOO Principles for Cooperation among ODF Projects On 25 June 2015 at 22:58, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: [ ... ] 3. The possibilities for cooperation on source code that cannot be used directly in an ASF Project release and how that can be handled in distribution of binaries. The preferences for optional dependency as opposed to essential dependencies and where they apply. Dependencies that are disallowed on principle (and for which only very specific, narrow exceptions are considered, if ever). I can follow your other points but not this one. Apache does pr rule not do binary releases. If a binary is provided it is a convenience NOT a release. Single PMC members (or others) might provide binary releases on their own behalf. This is actually a point where the AOO PMC walk on a very sharp sword, so the wording here is extremely important. I find your other point very good discussions point, so maybe we should leave the binary release for a moment. orcnote I carefully used the term distributions for binaries. I will make that more clear when we get to this. I will not speak of binary releases. I should have made that more specific. There are practices that *do* extend to binary distributions made by projects, even though they are not releases. We can get into that later. /orcnote [ ... ] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: DChanges 2014 Papers and ODF Conformance/Compliance Assurance
The PDF of the paper about RCT (Repaired Change-Tracking), Tracked Changes: Navigating the Document-Format Anti-Pattern, provides a pattern-like model for the interoperability assurance for WYSIWYG document using standard document-file formats. The author's final submission version is available for download in the bibliographic entry at http://nfoworks.org/notes/2015/06/n150601.htm. A key finding in this paper is that in the absence of a profiled envelope in which there is interoperability assurance when interchanging documents using a format such as ODF, there is no prospect for such interchange working properly with change-tracking in the files. Conditions on which such an envelope can be established and change-tracking accomplished in a dependable way are sketched. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2015 16:24 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: DChanges 2014 Papers and ODF Conformance/Compliance Assurance I took advantage of Corinthia as a place to build up materials on ODF Conformance/Compliance Assurance testing of software products, since creating profiles of feature compliance figures in the scope of the Apache Corinthia (incubating) project. The material is relevant, of course, to Apache OpenOffice and other implementations of ODF. The proposed structure for development of files, procedures, and assessments is at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/Corinthia/ODF. I have updated the ODF Conformance/Compliance Assurance Helix sketch there. The connected treatment of ODF 1.2 Conformance that has been linked from that sketch has also been updated. That overview is at http://nfoworks.org/notes/2014/06/n140602.htm and a trial diagram of the different conformance layers is at http://nfoworks.org/notes/2014/06/n140602b.htm. I am starting to put more effort into this material, including coming up with minimal test cases as baby steps. My papers from DChanges 2014 are also relevant to this effort. Although the Anti-Pattern paper is about repairing change-tracking, a key conclusion is that one can't achieve an envelope within which interoperable interchange of changed-tracked documents is possible without have a surrounding envelope in which there is reliable interchange without any change tracking. The Anti-Pattern paper provides a sketch of how one can establish that, and some principles that must be honored. I have not put authors versions of my DChanges 2014 papers on-line yet. I will do so in the coming week. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 10:50 To: d...@corinthia.incubator.apache.org Subject: DChanges 2014 Papers Available The final versions of papers on change-tracking from DChanges2014 have been published. You can see the table of contents of the proceedings at http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=2723147 by selecting to see the Table of Contents. [ ... ] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Apache@ OSCON 2015 - Booth Goodies
Kay, If it works for Melissa, it would be better to ship new OpenOffice pins to her, mainly because I will be traveling by bus. Also, she is likely to be there before I am. I don't think we ran out last year. Melissa would know. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 8, 2015 13:23 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Apache@ OSCON 2015 - Booth Goodies On 06/06/2015 04:30 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Um, 1.5 diameter, as asked. Silly keyboard. Bad keyboard. Bad. OK, fine. (those dang keyboards! ;) ) Now 2 more questions -- * how many do we need? Last time, the order was for 200. * where to ship? Last time, I shipped to Melissa's address. Would it be better to ship to you instead? -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2015 15:34 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: RE: Apache@ OSCON 2015 - Booth Goodies Kay, 1.4 diameter for the AOO seagull buttons would be superb! - Dennis -Original Message- From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2015 14:54 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Apache@ OSCON 2015 - Booth Goodies On Jun 5, 2015 11:06 PM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: On Saturday, June 6, 2015, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: OSCON 2015 is near upon us. I am offering to do booth duty again this year. I had a great time and am happy to do it again. I have one request. Can we have bigger Apache OpenOffice buttons? The little ones are nice, but I find they are difficult to put one. The design need not change, but it would be good to have bigger ones. Is that easy to accomplish? It is a good idea and we have the budget to make it happen. All we need is someone doing it. rgds jan i I'll be happy to check on this. Would 1 1/2 be better? [ ... ] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- MzK We can all sleep easy at night knowing that somewhere at any given time, the Foo Fighters are out there fighting Foo. -- David Letterman - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: [Discuss] Review and improve graphics memory handling
I've never understood this business of having multiple releases as progressions on the same code branch. It seems far more confusing than having a branch or tag that corresponds to the release identifier. It also helps if there is a need for a patch release at a particular branch. It also makes check-out of a specific release branch easier. And it is easy to confirm the archive of the released source against its SVN. Although there is a lot of code involved, I thought SVN used a Copy on Write strategy so copying code into a branch does not create actual copies but links, with copies made only when a difference is introduced at either end of the link. Am I mistaken? I don't have much skin in this game. It just strikes me that there is a high risk of confusion and possible error this way. Even if a 412 is built from a copy of 411, rather than the trunk, with changes then cherry-picked into it, it seems easier to inspect and to understand. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2015 18:57 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: [Discuss] Review and improve graphics memory handling On 02/06/2015 armin.le.gr...@me.com wrote: AFAIU AOO410 branch goes on for 411, 412, 413... versions. One branch for next mid-number change, e.g. AOO420 would need a new one. For AOO411 we have no extra branch AFAIK, only a revision number in AOO410 branch. I would keep that schema - the goal of micro releases is minor changes/stability, no need for a new branch I'm OK with this. I will commit changes to the existing AOO410 branch instead of creating AOO412 then. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Apache@ OSCON 2015 - Booth Goodies
Um, 1.5 diameter, as asked. Silly keyboard. Bad keyboard. Bad. -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2015 15:34 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: RE: Apache@ OSCON 2015 - Booth Goodies Kay, 1.4 diameter for the AOO seagull buttons would be superb! - Dennis -Original Message- From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2015 14:54 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Apache@ OSCON 2015 - Booth Goodies On Jun 5, 2015 11:06 PM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: On Saturday, June 6, 2015, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: OSCON 2015 is near upon us. I am offering to do booth duty again this year. I had a great time and am happy to do it again. I have one request. Can we have bigger Apache OpenOffice buttons? The little ones are nice, but I find they are difficult to put one. The design need not change, but it would be good to have bigger ones. Is that easy to accomplish? It is a good idea and we have the budget to make it happen. All we need is someone doing it. rgds jan i I'll be happy to check on this. Would 1 1/2 be better? [ ... ] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Apache@ OSCON 2015 - Booth Goodies
Kay, 1.4 diameter for the AOO seagull buttons would be superb! - Dennis -Original Message- From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2015 14:54 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Apache@ OSCON 2015 - Booth Goodies On Jun 5, 2015 11:06 PM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: On Saturday, June 6, 2015, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: OSCON 2015 is near upon us. I am offering to do booth duty again this year. I had a great time and am happy to do it again. I have one request. Can we have bigger Apache OpenOffice buttons? The little ones are nice, but I find they are difficult to put one. The design need not change, but it would be good to have bigger ones. Is that easy to accomplish? It is a good idea and we have the budget to make it happen. All we need is someone doing it. rgds jan i I'll be happy to check on this. Would 1 1/2 be better? [ ... ] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Apache@ OSCON 2015 - Booth Goodies
OSCON 2015 is near upon us. I am offering to do booth duty again this year. I had a great time and am happy to do it again. I have one request. Can we have bigger Apache OpenOffice buttons? The little ones are nice, but I find they are difficult to put one. The design need not change, but it would be good to have bigger ones. Is that easy to accomplish? - Dennis -Original Message- From: Melissa Warnkin [mailto:missywarn...@yahoo.com.INVALID] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2014 08:29 To: d...@community.apache.org; ksch...@apache.org Subject: Re: Apache@ OSCON question Hi Kay, What kind of project giveaways are you thinking of? Let me know - I'll be more than happy to accommodate this if I can. Please be sure to contact brand management if approval is needed!!! As Ross mentioned, I'm the primary booth staffer, but there are always a handful of volunteers that help at the booth (staffing during breaks/lunch and help with the setup/teardown). Shane will be my sidekick at the booth this year. If you or others from your project will be attending OSCON and would like to be present at the booth at a specific time to talk to the attendees, just let me know. We could always send out a broadcast via social media about stop by the ASF's booth at XXX to speak with the reps from Project XXX. That goes for the other projects as well!! It's always great to have someone from the community at the booth to answer technical questions!! Please let me know if you have any further questions. Have a great day - speak soon, ~Melissa From: Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com To: d...@community.apache.org; ksch...@apache.org Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 11:07 PM Subject: Re: Apache@ OSCON question We have foundation giveaways but generally not specific projects (the table isn't big enough;-) Usually we just have Melissa staff it and answer general questions about the ASF. Wherever possible she connects people asking about specific projects to attendees at the conference. In theory we could be more organized giving specific projects a time slot for example. But we would someone to help Melissa manage this. If there is something you would like to do let us know. On 19 June 2014 17:08, k...@apache.org ksch...@apache.org wrote: I just saw in the May Board minutes that Apache has applied for a booth at OSCON. Can we get a small update on this? Should projects provide give-aways of some sort if we have them? What's typically handled at the Apache booth at OSCON. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
DChanges 2014 Papers and ODF Conformance/Compliance Assurance
I took advantage of Corinthia as a place to build up materials on ODF Conformance/Compliance Assurance testing of software products, since creating profiles of feature compliance figures in the scope of the Apache Corinthia (incubating) project. The material is relevant, of course, to Apache OpenOffice and other implementations of ODF. The proposed structure for development of files, procedures, and assessments is at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/Corinthia/ODF. I have updated the ODF Conformance/Compliance Assurance Helix sketch there. The connected treatment of ODF 1.2 Conformance that has been linked from that sketch has also been updated. That overview is at http://nfoworks.org/notes/2014/06/n140602.htm and a trial diagram of the different conformance layers is at http://nfoworks.org/notes/2014/06/n140602b.htm. I am starting to put more effort into this material, including coming up with minimal test cases as baby steps. My papers from DChanges 2014 are also relevant to this effort. Although the Anti-Pattern paper is about repairing change-tracking, a key conclusion is that one can't achieve an envelope within which interoperable interchange of changed-tracked documents is possible without have a surrounding envelope in which there is reliable interchange without any change tracking. The Anti-Pattern paper provides a sketch of how one can establish that, and some principles that must be honored. I have not put authors versions of my DChanges 2014 papers on-line yet. I will do so in the coming week. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 10:50 To: d...@corinthia.incubator.apache.org Subject: DChanges 2014 Papers Available The final versions of papers on change-tracking from DChanges2014 have been published. You can see the table of contents of the proceedings at http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=2723147 by selecting to see the Table of Contents. [ ... ] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Forum administrators alias / mailing list
I favor option (2) but I think that may be confusing from an administrative perspective. In that case, I join Jan in favoring option (3) An advantage of option (2) is that it can always be retargeted as necessary. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2015 02:26 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Forum administrators alias / mailing list Our latest Board report contained an automatically generated section with all available mailing lists. One of them, named forum-admin AT openoffice.apache.org, is currently unused. It was created as a more official replacement for the current e-mail address used by forum administrators, aoo.forum.en AT gmail.com. What shall we do with it? 1) We subscribe all forum moderators (I mean: the people who now have access to the Gmail address) to it individually, aiming at replacing the Gmail address. 2) We forward it to the Gmail address, thus keeping all current processes in place but giving users the reassurance that they are contacting admins through a recognizable channel. This is my favorite solution since it won't modify any existing workflow. 3) We simply drop the mailing list and we continue using the Gmail address. The list is configured to let all messages through, so moderators of the list merely manage subscribers. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Moving forward.
+1 Thanks Andreas, -Original Message- From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 04:11 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Moving forward. [ ... ] So I'm volunteering for the part Identify what we want (and can have) in 4.1.2 and update Bugzilla accordingly. This, of course, after community discussion. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: CVE-2015-1774: OpenOffice HWP Filter Remote Execution and DoS Vulnerability
Andreas, Simply wait, for now, I think. It sometimes takes quite a while for updates to be placed at the Mitre CVE entry. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2015 09:23 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: CVE-2015-1774: OpenOffice HWP Filter Remote Execution and DoS Vulnerability On 25/04/2015 Herbert Duerr wrote: CVE-2015-1774 OpenOffice HWP Filter Remote Code Execution and Denial of Service [ ... ] Note that the CVE link http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=2015-1774 still lists this vulnerability number as reserved. Should the link be different? Or should we simply wait that it is made public? Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: MediaWiki missing new account icon/Link?
I think it happens by specifying login and there is an avenue to account creation then. I however, don't want to logout and remove my account to see if that is it [;). -Original Message- From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 10:18 To: OOo Apache Subject: MediaWiki missing new account icon/Link? Hello all -- I know we're basically whitelisting both CWiki and MWiki accounts, but currently I do not find a Register link on any OpenOffice Wiki (https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Main_Page) pages. Was this removed and I didn't notice? If some alternate means of account registration is used, shouldn't this be mentioned on the main page? -- - MzK “What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable?” -- John Green, An Abundance of Katherines - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: ruby uno to control openoffice
I think we have a misunderstanding somehow.
I need to take some time to reflect on what you have discovered and also look
at the codee.
I have pressure to complete some other commitments.
After April 15, I will dig deeper.
Thank you for your digging into this. It has been instructive.
Namaste,
- Dennis
-Original Message-
From: Brick Ma [mailto:brickman...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 04:30
To: dev; Dennis Hamilton
Subject: Re: ruby uno to control openoffice
Hi,Dennis
I replace openoffice 3.4.1 to openoffice4.1.1.
static const ::sal_Int16 OPTIONAL = (sal_Int16)256;//still I commented line
Runo can open a writer with no error .
There are may be errors later since i commented that line .But the main
problem seems is that the openoffice version
is not right.
I want to share my pleasure with you and the community.
Thanks for all the help.
cheers
On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 11:26 PM, Brick Ma brickman...@gmail.com wrote:
10 files in C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft SDKs\Windows\v7.0A\Include
has #define OPTIONAL.
I don't know how to do with these files,then i replaced all the OPTIONAL
to XOPTIONAL.Compile is OK,but the script shows the same error .Maybe
something else wrong?
-Brick
On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 2:52 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton
dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:
Yes, the (#define OPTIONAL OPTIONAL) will break many things, even if it
removes a parser error message.
Where the error occurred the first time, there are many lines the same.
See if you can find either declarations or #define statements for any of
those capitalized names that do not fail.
There may be clues there.
- Dennis
-Original Message-
From: Brick Ma [mailto:brickman...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 08:47
To: dev; Dennis Hamilton
Subject: Re: ruby uno to control openoffice
I wrote a line(#define OPTIONAL OPTIONAL) in PropertyAttribute.hdl.
It seems works.
E:\RUNO-master\include\com/sun/star/beans/PropertyAttribute.hdl(3) :
warning C40
05: 'OPTIONAL' : macro redefinition
C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft
SDKs\Windows\v7.0A\include\windef.h(84) //got u
: see previous definition of 'OPTIONAL'
There is another error shows as follows.
C:\OpenOffice\Basis\sdk\include\systools/win32/snprintf.h(85) : error
C2375: 'ru
by_snprintf' : redefinition; different linkage
c:\ruby-2.2\include\ruby-2.2.0\ruby/ruby.h(1809) : see declaration
of 'r
uby_snprintf'
Rename snprintf in snprintf.h or ruby_snprintf in ruby.h compiles.
But when i try to open a document,error comes out.
code:
require 'uno'
data = {'type' = 'socket', 'host' = 'localhost',
'port' = 2083, 'protocol' = 'urp'}
ctx = Uno::Connector.connect(data) //runo can connect to openoffice,if
openoffice is not ready,runo will say no connection.
smgr = ctx.getServiceManager
desktop = smgr.createInstanceWithContext(
com.sun.star.frame.Desktop,ctx) //error comes
doc = desktop.loadComponentFromURL(private:factory/swriter, _blank, 0,
[])
doc.getText.setString(Hello Ruby!)
error:
runo_exception_exception, 0
#Uno::Com::Sun::Star::Uno::RuntimeException:
Uno::Com::Sun::Star::Uno::RuntimeE
xception
t.rb:6:in `method_missing': Uno::Com::Sun::Star::Uno::RuntimeException
(Uno::Com
::Sun::Star::Uno::RuntimeException)
from t.rb:6:in `main'
shell returned 1
:in `method_missing': Uno::Com::Sun::Star::Uno::RuntimeException (Uno::Com
::Sun::Star::Uno::RuntimeException)
from t.rb:6:in `main'
shell returned 1
The same error as i met before.
Oh,what should i do?
-Brick
On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 2:08 AM, Brick Ma brickman...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for your patient and detailed reply,Dennis.
You are right.OPTIONAL was replaced by preprocessor.
cl /P yields module.i
OPTIONAL was disappeard in module.i
But i have not found where is #define OPTIONAL .
I will search again tomorrow.
-brick
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton
dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:
You cannot disable the preprocessor. That will cause *everything* to
fail.
Some place, there is a
#define OPTIONAL value
That you want to work. It might be in an #include file. Ideally, it
is
in the same file where it is being used, but that may be unlikely.
You need to find all of the places in the code that uses that header
and
uses OPTIONAL and it is not in anything like #ifdef OPTIONAL but some
usage
where it is clear that a variable or expression form is expected in
regular
code. That is likely the one place where you are seeing the failure.
The clean fix is to change the name in both places. Most programs are
careful to do this in the first place, to avoid conflicts with other
usage
of a similar term.
Because this is an .hdl, it may be more complicated than that. There
may
also be failures elsewhere that are undetected because they do not
cause a
syntax error.
I am
RE: Need help with strings
Hi! You are digging into my favorite subject. I am assuming you are talking about strings within the MathML and that it is in some form of XML. In that case: If it is XML, the encoding can be specified in the ? ... ? XML prologue. Sniffing for this prologue will determine such things as whether UTF8 or UTF16, and big-endian or little-endian. If single-byte, that will usually mean some kind of code page which has a subset of ASCII as a common subset of a larger encoding, such as Western European. In that case, one can read the content of the prefix to see what it says, because it should be in a simple, pure ASCII form. Even if it is a double-byte character encoding, such as Shift-JIS, the prologue only needs the single-byte portions that are the same as ASCII. The default, however, depends on the MIME type of the XML file. Text/xml and application/xml have different defaults. Also, MIME types can have parameters that specify character sets. The way Windows manages this also includes using a Unicode prefix on UTF8 (big-endian, I think). These are not uniformly used across platforms. Internally, because ODF and AOO are Unicode based, it is necessary to translate all arriving text into Unicode for internal storage and use by the application. To do otherwise, lies madness. There are difficulties with this, because Unicode allows local specializations. This comes up in craziness around Symbol fonts that do not have common Unicode correspondence. (Bullets in AOO have this disease.) I have probably provided more information than you require. I love this subject. I have not looked at your code. - Dennis PS: The default representation of XML inside OOXML is UTF16 as I recall. I could be mistaken. -Original Message- From: Regina Henschel [mailto:rb.hensc...@t-online.de] Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 12:02 To: AOO dev Subject: Need help with strings Hi all, I'm going to improve the MathML type detection. Currently there exist files, that can be opened or imported fine, when the type detection would allow it. https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126230 I have attached a C++ file to show what I want to do. The problem is, that MathML does not need to be encoded in utf-8 but can have any other encoding. For example MS Windows Math Input Control exports formulas in utf-16. So my question is, which kind of string can I use, that is able to detect/use utf-16 and has the needed methods similar to C++ string methods find, rfind, insert, substring, clear, erase? Does AOO has such kind of string? It is possible to get the encoding from the MathML file or set default utf-8, in case that information is needed for to instantiate a string object. Kind regards Regina - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: ruby uno to control openoffice
Yes, the (#define OPTIONAL OPTIONAL) will break many things, even if it removes
a parser error message.
Where the error occurred the first time, there are many lines the same. See if
you can find either declarations or #define statements for any of those
capitalized names that do not fail.
There may be clues there.
- Dennis
-Original Message-
From: Brick Ma [mailto:brickman...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 08:47
To: dev; Dennis Hamilton
Subject: Re: ruby uno to control openoffice
I wrote a line(#define OPTIONAL OPTIONAL) in PropertyAttribute.hdl.
It seems works.
E:\RUNO-master\include\com/sun/star/beans/PropertyAttribute.hdl(3) :
warning C40
05: 'OPTIONAL' : macro redefinition
C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft
SDKs\Windows\v7.0A\include\windef.h(84) //got u
: see previous definition of 'OPTIONAL'
There is another error shows as follows.
C:\OpenOffice\Basis\sdk\include\systools/win32/snprintf.h(85) : error
C2375: 'ru
by_snprintf' : redefinition; different linkage
c:\ruby-2.2\include\ruby-2.2.0\ruby/ruby.h(1809) : see declaration
of 'r
uby_snprintf'
Rename snprintf in snprintf.h or ruby_snprintf in ruby.h compiles.
But when i try to open a document,error comes out.
code:
require 'uno'
data = {'type' = 'socket', 'host' = 'localhost',
'port' = 2083, 'protocol' = 'urp'}
ctx = Uno::Connector.connect(data) //runo can connect to openoffice,if
openoffice is not ready,runo will say no connection.
smgr = ctx.getServiceManager
desktop = smgr.createInstanceWithContext(
com.sun.star.frame.Desktop,ctx) //error comes
doc = desktop.loadComponentFromURL(private:factory/swriter, _blank, 0,
[])
doc.getText.setString(Hello Ruby!)
error:
runo_exception_exception, 0
#Uno::Com::Sun::Star::Uno::RuntimeException:
Uno::Com::Sun::Star::Uno::RuntimeE
xception
t.rb:6:in `method_missing': Uno::Com::Sun::Star::Uno::RuntimeException
(Uno::Com
::Sun::Star::Uno::RuntimeException)
from t.rb:6:in `main'
shell returned 1
:in `method_missing': Uno::Com::Sun::Star::Uno::RuntimeException (Uno::Com
::Sun::Star::Uno::RuntimeException)
from t.rb:6:in `main'
shell returned 1
The same error as i met before.
Oh,what should i do?
-Brick
On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 2:08 AM, Brick Ma brickman...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for your patient and detailed reply,Dennis.
You are right.OPTIONAL was replaced by preprocessor.
cl /P yields module.i
OPTIONAL was disappeard in module.i
But i have not found where is #define OPTIONAL .
I will search again tomorrow.
-brick
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton
dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:
You cannot disable the preprocessor. That will cause *everything* to
fail.
Some place, there is a
#define OPTIONAL value
That you want to work. It might be in an #include file. Ideally, it is
in the same file where it is being used, but that may be unlikely.
You need to find all of the places in the code that uses that header and
uses OPTIONAL and it is not in anything like #ifdef OPTIONAL but some usage
where it is clear that a variable or expression form is expected in regular
code. That is likely the one place where you are seeing the failure.
The clean fix is to change the name in both places. Most programs are
careful to do this in the first place, to avoid conflicts with other usage
of a similar term.
Because this is an .hdl, it may be more complicated than that. There may
also be failures elsewhere that are undetected because they do not cause a
syntax error.
I am not where I can look right now. Nose around. There should be some
related definitions in the same part of the source tree.
- Dennis
-Original Message-
From: Brick Ma [mailto:brickman...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 08:06
To: dev; dennis.hamil...@acm.org
Subject: Re: ruby uno to control openoffice
But with the same PropertyAttribute.hdl i had built c++ sample
DocumentLoader.cxx,and it works .
How can i disable this feature of pre-processor
-Brick
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 11:56 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:
It appears that OPTIONAL is defined to empty string in a pre-processor
definition.
This is probably a conflict with use of OPTIONAL as a way of controlling
code inclusion and not as name of a feature in a bit flag [;).
- Dennis
-Original Message-
From: Brick Ma [mailto:brickman...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 07:09
To: dev
Subject: ruby uno to control openoffice
Hi,All
There is a runo on github developed by hanya.
Ruby-UNO (Ruby-OpenOffice) native bridge.
http://wiki.github.com/hanya/RUNO/
I spend days to build the runo on window 7
with ActiveScriptRuby2.2, openoffice 3.4 and vs2010.
i got this error which i dont understand why .
E:\RUNO-master\include\com/sun/star/beans/PropertyAttribute.hdl(20) :
error
C2513: 'const short' : no variable declared before
RE: ruby uno to control openoffice
You cannot disable the preprocessor. That will cause *everything* to fail.
Some place, there is a
#define OPTIONAL value
That you want to work. It might be in an #include file. Ideally, it is in the
same file where it is being used, but that may be unlikely.
You need to find all of the places in the code that uses that header and uses
OPTIONAL and it is not in anything like #ifdef OPTIONAL but some usage where it
is clear that a variable or expression form is expected in regular code. That
is likely the one place where you are seeing the failure.
The clean fix is to change the name in both places. Most programs are careful
to do this in the first place, to avoid conflicts with other usage of a similar
term.
Because this is an .hdl, it may be more complicated than that. There may also
be failures elsewhere that are undetected because they do not cause a syntax
error.
I am not where I can look right now. Nose around. There should be some
related definitions in the same part of the source tree.
- Dennis
-Original Message-
From: Brick Ma [mailto:brickman...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 08:06
To: dev; dennis.hamil...@acm.org
Subject: Re: ruby uno to control openoffice
But with the same PropertyAttribute.hdl i had built c++ sample
DocumentLoader.cxx,and it works .
How can i disable this feature of pre-processor
-Brick
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 11:56 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:
It appears that OPTIONAL is defined to empty string in a pre-processor
definition.
This is probably a conflict with use of OPTIONAL as a way of controlling
code inclusion and not as name of a feature in a bit flag [;).
- Dennis
-Original Message-
From: Brick Ma [mailto:brickman...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 07:09
To: dev
Subject: ruby uno to control openoffice
Hi,All
There is a runo on github developed by hanya.
Ruby-UNO (Ruby-OpenOffice) native bridge.
http://wiki.github.com/hanya/RUNO/
I spend days to build the runo on window 7
with ActiveScriptRuby2.2, openoffice 3.4 and vs2010.
i got this error which i dont understand why .
E:\RUNO-master\include\com/sun/star/beans/PropertyAttribute.hdl(20) : error
C2513: 'const short' : no variable declared before '='
but in PropertyAttribute.hdl the line 20 is as the same style as other
line
static const ::sal_Int16 MAYBEVOID = (sal_Int16)1;
static const ::sal_Int16 BOUND = (sal_Int16)2;
static const ::sal_Int16 CONSTRAINED = (sal_Int16)4;
static const ::sal_Int16 TRANSIENT = (sal_Int16)8;
static const ::sal_Int16 READONLY = (sal_Int16)16;
static const ::sal_Int16 MAYBEAMBIGUOUS = (sal_Int16)32;
static const ::sal_Int16 MAYBEDEFAULT = (sal_Int16)64;
static const ::sal_Int16 REMOVEABLE = (sal_Int16)128;
static const ::sal_Int16 REMOVABLE = (sal_Int16)128;
static const ::sal_Int16 OPTIONAL = (sal_Int16)256;//line 20 error1
I commented line 20 ,build is OK.Then i try to open a docment.But error
comes.
require 'uno'
data = {'type' = 'socket', 'host' = 'localhost',
'port' = 2083, 'protocol' = 'urp'}
ctx = Uno::Connector.connect(data)
smgr = ctx.getServiceManager
desktop = smgr.createInstanceWithContext(
com.sun.star.frame.Desktop,ctx)//here error2 comes out
doc = desktop.loadComponentFromURL(private:factory/swriter, _blank, 0,
[])
doc.getText.setString(Hello Ruby!)
I really want to make it work.Buy it seems kind of hard for me now.
Did error1 yield error2 or something else wrong.
Any help would be appreciated.
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RE: Please join me in congratulating Marcus.
+1 Congratulations, Marcus! -Original Message- From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 04:51 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Please join me in congratulating Marcus. jan i wrote: Marcus is now member of Apache Software Foundation. Marcus was invited after the yearly membership meeting and accepted. Congratulations, Marcus! And I hope we can soon admit more people from OpenOffice (this means nothing, but I'll use it to mean people whose primary activity at Apache is within the OpenOffice project) into the Apache membership. As recent discussions (CMS, to name just one) show, it is important that OpenOffice feels part of the Apache Foundation, not to receive orders from it, but on the contrary, to do its part in improving it. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: ruby uno to control openoffice
It appears that OPTIONAL is defined to empty string in a pre-processor
definition.
This is probably a conflict with use of OPTIONAL as a way of controlling code
inclusion and not as name of a feature in a bit flag [;).
- Dennis
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Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 07:09
To: dev
Subject: ruby uno to control openoffice
Hi,All
There is a runo on github developed by hanya.
Ruby-UNO (Ruby-OpenOffice) native bridge.
http://wiki.github.com/hanya/RUNO/
I spend days to build the runo on window 7
with ActiveScriptRuby2.2, openoffice 3.4 and vs2010.
i got this error which i dont understand why .
E:\RUNO-master\include\com/sun/star/beans/PropertyAttribute.hdl(20) : error
C2513: 'const short' : no variable declared before '='
but in PropertyAttribute.hdl the line 20 is as the same style as other line
static const ::sal_Int16 MAYBEVOID = (sal_Int16)1;
static const ::sal_Int16 BOUND = (sal_Int16)2;
static const ::sal_Int16 CONSTRAINED = (sal_Int16)4;
static const ::sal_Int16 TRANSIENT = (sal_Int16)8;
static const ::sal_Int16 READONLY = (sal_Int16)16;
static const ::sal_Int16 MAYBEAMBIGUOUS = (sal_Int16)32;
static const ::sal_Int16 MAYBEDEFAULT = (sal_Int16)64;
static const ::sal_Int16 REMOVEABLE = (sal_Int16)128;
static const ::sal_Int16 REMOVABLE = (sal_Int16)128;
static const ::sal_Int16 OPTIONAL = (sal_Int16)256;//line 20 error1
I commented line 20 ,build is OK.Then i try to open a docment.But error
comes.
require 'uno'
data = {'type' = 'socket', 'host' = 'localhost',
'port' = 2083, 'protocol' = 'urp'}
ctx = Uno::Connector.connect(data)
smgr = ctx.getServiceManager
desktop = smgr.createInstanceWithContext(
com.sun.star.frame.Desktop,ctx)//here error2 comes out
doc = desktop.loadComponentFromURL(private:factory/swriter, _blank, 0,
[])
doc.getText.setString(Hello Ruby!)
I really want to make it work.Buy it seems kind of hard for me now.
Did error1 yield error2 or something else wrong.
Any help would be appreciated.
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RE: Source code build help
Hello Buddhi, I think Regina or Ariel may have the information you require. Also, see https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO, https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Step_by_step#Windows_7, and https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Building_on_Windows. I think you have to build using CygWin and there are many dependencies to set up. It would be good to apply a QA view to this and help to improve the documentation so beginners can be more successful [;). I am slow at this. Tell me how I could help. - Dennis PS: I think the Windows build can be possible to use the new Visual Studio 2013 Community Edition to build, and use batch files within CygWin that can also be used natively for command-line building. (Community Edition apparently will not build for XP though.) But the current procedures do not support this and I have made poor progress on that. This could be a step toward being able to build 64-bit for Windows. -Original Message- From: Buddhi Eashwarage [mailto:buddhie...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 04:44 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Source code build help Hi, I'm working on AOO QA tasks.So i like to build the source code and try.Specially i like to contribute on Writer application.So i think in eclipse i can build the code.Is it?And i'm using windows 7 environment at the moment.If anyone can give me a small guide to that i admire it.Like to say i'm from a development background, so i think i can catch it easily. Kind Regards, Buddhi Eashwarage - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
FW: ACNA Presentation Template
Any replies should go to d...@community.apache.org - Dennis -Original Message- From: Rich Bowen [mailto:rbo...@rcbowen.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 07:44 To: dev Subject: Fwd: ACNA Presentation Template Hey, OpenOffice folks, any chance you can update last year's presentation template for ACNA2015? Thanks. Forwarded Message Subject: ACNA Presentation Template Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2015 09:26:30 -0500 From: Shawn McKinney smckin...@apache.org Reply-To: apachecon-disc...@apache.org To: apachecon-disc...@apache.org Hello, Is there a presentation template available for upcoming ACNA in austin? Thanks Shawn smckin...@apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: [DISCUSS] Java 8 and AOO
Larry, that's great. I saw that in a screen shot that showed both of them installed. Please add that link to Bugzilla issue 126130. If you don't have an account there, let me know and I will do it. Oh, and MAC users need to know that they can have multiple JRE installations, so there is no need to uninstall a later one or fear that installing a Java 6 VM is going to limit them from the latest somehow. Some reporters seem to get snarled up with that and bounce out of the Java 6 update page because there is so much encouragement to go download the latest (Java 8 now). - Dennis -Original Message- From: Larry Gusaas [mailto:larry.gus...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 20:54 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Java 8 and AOO On 2015-03-17, 6:41 PM Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: The problems I've seen reported are apparently all on MacOS. Something about needing a legacy Java 6 to work and there is no way for the user to accomplish that, apparently. Apache OpenOffice works with Java 8, but you also need to have Java 6 installed. Java 6 for Macs was provided by Apple, not Oracle. To download it go to http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1572 -- _ Larry I. Gusaas Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada Website: http://larry-gusaas.com An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs. - Edgard Varese - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Google Summer of Code for Apache OpenOffice
Submission of applications by students opened on March 16 and the student's proposed statement of work must be finalized by March 27. It appears that there is not much opportunity to have identified areas for AOO and also establish mentors so that students have something to apply for and make their own proposals. This should have been in preparation a month ago. Also this, http://s.apache.org/DEi. There is much activity on the ment...@community.apache.org list at this time. It might be good to subscribe to mentors-community now and be prepared for next time. There are also other student project opportunities that arise on different schedules. - Dennis -Original Message- From: jan i [mailto:j...@apache.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 00:15 To: dev Subject: Re: Google Summer of Code for Apache OpenOffice On 17 March 2015 at 07:08, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: Hi seems Google Summer of Code is in high peak nowadays, but I think if we are willing to get some help we need to promote the program. I think a good blogpost could be a good first step. Maybe some articles could follow up and get the ball rolling. In general a good idea, but a bit late, the students are already starting to select projects. At this moment I know we dont have any tasks that students can do but I think a good think tank could get us to where we want to go. Well let us start with the beginning, I do not think we have any mentors, at least no one signed up, and I am not sure new mentors can be added so late in the process. [ ... ] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: [DISCUSS] Java 8 and AOO
Here's more detail:
Issue 126130 seems to be all about the problem of having Java 8 (or
intentionally upgrading to Java 8) on MacOS and having attempt used of the JVM
from AOO lead to a fault somewhere. Users either can't get the recommended
Java 6 or misunderstand the site's advice.
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126130.
This could be some sort of configuration handshake in the startup of the JVM,
yet it seems more complicated than that.
Issue 115200 began back in the days of OOo 3.2.1 and discussion started and
ended in 2010, evidently with a happy outcome for some. Mac OSX then too.
This page is credited with providing a fix, but about upgrading to Java 6.
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ/Platform/Mac_OS_X_10.6.
Has anyone learned of anything different with regard to these Mac OSX problems?
- Dennis
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From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org]
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 17:42
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] Java 8 and AOO
The problems I've seen reported are apparently all on MacOS. Something about
needing a legacy Java 6 to work and there is no way for the user to accomplish
that, apparently.
Are there others?
Do you think the message is from AOO instead of the OS?
There is also a crasher in Base, apparently, but not certain it is the same
situation.
{None of this represents deep knowledge on my part.}
- Dennis
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From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 15:58
To: OOo Apache
Subject: [DISCUSS] Java 8 and AOO
We've had a few reports of issues with Java 8 and AOO, especially with Base.
Can anyone currently using Java 8 with AOO confirm this?
Current Java requirements are here:
http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/sys_reqs_aoo41.html
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RE: [DISCUSS] Java 8 and AOO
The problems I've seen reported are apparently all on MacOS. Something about
needing a legacy Java 6 to work and there is no way for the user to accomplish
that, apparently.
Are there others?
Do you think the message is from AOO instead of the OS?
There is also a crasher in Base, apparently, but not certain it is the same
situation.
{None of this represents deep knowledge on my part.}
- Dennis
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From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 15:58
To: OOo Apache
Subject: [DISCUSS] Java 8 and AOO
We've had a few reports of issues with Java 8 and AOO, especially with Base.
Can anyone currently using Java 8 with AOO confirm this?
Current Java requirements are here:
http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/sys_reqs_aoo41.html
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[DISCUSS] #2 Organization around Capacity/Accountability
Since resolving Priority #1, we have not returned to Andrea's list of priorities. The #2 from the list seems critical to everything else. 2) Internal reorganization: people say what they are going to do to drive the project forward (so an active approach rather than the I don't have time, but someone should... approach which is not working). I started looking at this for myself and have to face what my capacities are and where I can commit myself. I am still looking at what I have to say for myself. I know that I have far more interests than capacity and I must see what I can do to provide a realistic statement. It is different to separate out areas of concern. We all have many concerns and desires concerning Apache OpenOffice. Rather, we want to look at where each of us, can act directly and influence the course of the project by direct contributions that are in our power to make. - Dennis LONGER LITTLE ESSAY I think each of us, particularly but not only the Apache OpenOffice committers, need to look at where we are already equipped (have the capability at hand) to take action. It would be useful to somehow have a roster that allows us all to see what that those capabilities are in understanding work in progress and helping to be realistic in what our combined efforts can produce. And each of us can identify how much capacity we have for carrying out work and report what that is too. This is not like promising to do something or create schedules. It is so we are clear what the capacity for the project is as a volunteer activity. And as capacity or interest changes, that can be kept visible and the project community can adjust however it is able. We have skills far beyond those of working on the code (and are probably limited in that important area), and all of those capacities are important to understand. I put Capacity/Commitment in the subject and realized that we are not collecting commitments (although they are welcome when offered). I think Accountability is the correct term. I mean that we provide an account for ourselves and our what we are working on, and do not go invisible. It is only in providing an account, so others know the state of affairs. There is no judgment being made. It is all right to change personal plans, have life happen, and even choose to do something different, whether for the project or not. It is all right to fail. Some will simply proceed with time available and *any* contribution is valuable. The account is for mutual visibility and some certainty, not for being assessed. I think knowing what actions folks are considering and where effort is available is important to allow us to coordinate among our interests better. -Original Message- From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 09:56 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Short-term priorities for OpenOffice [ ... ] 2) Internal reorganization: people say what they are going to do to drive the project forward (so an active approach rather than the I don't have time, but someone should... approach which is not working). 3) Re-alignment between PMC and active community (the PMC, not the Chair, steers the project; so people who work must be in the PMC and people in the PMC should confirm they are still interested in being there). 4) External reorganization: decide how we see OpenOffice as part of a larger ecosystem, so what we can do in terms of collaboration with other projects that are from Apache or from outside Apache. 5) Release OpenOffice 4.1.2 (all of this must produce something for our users!). This has a number of significant subtasks and preliminary tasks (Release manager, digital signing...) but it would be pointless to address them now. [ ... ] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone?
I received the SDCard with the 150GB SVN dump from Rob in yesterday's postal delivery. Herbert Duerr has also provided some tips on using the Zipped git repo that he created. I will set up a notebook for keeping track of everything I (attempt to) do. It will be interesting to watch that SVN dump load into a local FSFS SVN that I will create. I am taking my time and will probably not have any further report until the end of April. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:r...@robweir.com] Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 11:09 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Spam (8.03):Re: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone? On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 4:55 AM, Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Rob Weir wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: I agree with this -- it's history for every derivative of OO.o, not just AOO. [ ... ] sharing the responsibility for preserving the code history of the former OpenOffice.org project, TDF would be happy to help keeping those legacy repos publicly available for posterity. It is indeed of great help for ongoing development, to be able to re-trace the history of individual code changes. This is good to know. We have now several offers to host/preserve the data. First step, for me at least, is to get a copy of the dump of to Dennis. He's volunteered to take a closer look and compare to what Herbert has. If it ends up what I have is important then we can discuss the best way to distribute it further. [ ... ] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Information
Thanks for the information. It is not clear what can be done about this. There will be some investigation to determine what can be done. - Dennis I notice that Yahoo has already determined that they cannot recommend the site. It is interesting what http://us.com has as a business model also. I see some fine print at the bottom of the big yellow button that leads to this page, http://www.openoffice.us.com/openoffice/disclaimer.php. Were you offered a clear opportunity to decline the additional content that their DownloadAdmin included along with Apache OpenOffice? - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dewey Monroe [mailto:dmonroe2...@att.net] Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 23:12 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Information I just wanted to let you know that I made the mistake of attempting to download OO 4.1.1 from the following site [ ... ] . Doing this caused numerous problems with other programs and numerous infections which had to be removed. I know, my bad. However, these unscrupulous bastards are causing a tarnish on the good you folks are doing. You might want to look into it. By the way, Open Office 4.1.1 is great, Thanks for the good work. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Need to integrate OpenOffice writer in java project
Apache OpenOffice is written primarily in C++. There are means to integration with Java. There is an API that is available as part of the OpenOffice SDK. See this information: http://www.openoffice.org/api/SDK/. Note that this page has not been updated since 2008 and there may be difficulties integrating on your platform. However, if you expect for the UI of OpenOffice to be made available to on-line clients from a server, that is not something OpenOffice will do directly. There are ways to run it remotely but it involves having (or creating) user accounts for each connected user so that there is no conflict with user profile information (and also controlling where documents can be found and saved). The server must provide the means for having the GUI of the running instance of OpenOffice tied to a remote console. If you want to embed the editor in your project's own on-line connection and UI, much like a Rich Text Editor, the OpenOffice SDK might not be enough. Also, since you want to be editing Word and Excel documents, your users may not be so satisfied with the different interface of OpenOffice (or they might love it!). You should know that Apache OpenOffice does not save files in OOXML at this time. OOXML can only be imported. There are fewer limitations for .doc and .xls. - Dennis PS: You have reached a public mailing list. Please reply directly to the list so other volunteers can also contribute to your question. If you have many more question, it is recommended that you subscribe to the list if you have not already. -Original Message- From: Sharoon D. Dcunha [mailto:sharoon.dcu...@laurusis.com] Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 02:24 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Need to integrate OpenOffice writer in java project Hi There, This is Sharoon from Laurus Infosystems Bangalore, India. I am glad to know that your derivatives like StarOffice are being integrated to certain products and solutions. I have few queries which you probably can resolve: I need an inline editor to be integrated to my java J2EE project that can edit word and excel documents online and save it without being downloaded. Are there any utilities like API's or jars that you provide to integrate ? Are there any dependencies while using it(framework or database wise)? Is it open source or paid software? Waiting for your reply . Thanks Regards, Sharoon D. D'cunha Software Engineer Grade -I Laurus Infosystems (India) Pvt. Ltd. Plot No. 100 - 101 Export Promotion Industrial Park | Whitefield Bangalore - 560 066 | India T +91 9743780935 E sharoon.dcu...@laurusis.commailto:sharoon.dcu...@laurusis.com W laurusis.com A better future through Innovation LEGAL NOTICE: Unless expressly stated otherwise, this message is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. Access to this e-mail by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not an addressee, any disclosure or copying of the contents of this e-mail or any action taken (or not taken) in reliance on it is unauthorized and may be unlawful. If you are not an addressee, please delete this e-mail and inform the sender immediately. Laurus Infosystems (India) Private Limited, with its principal place of business at Plot No. 100-101, Export Promotion Industrial Park, Whitefield, Bangalore 560066. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Need help on bookmark writter
Purushottam, Please allow for time differences. You are dealing with an international community. An experiment for you to try is to do it using Apache OpenOffice Writer. Create an image in text. Select it. Use the bookmark feature to set a bookmark. If it allows it, save it and reload it to verify that the bookmark is still there. See if you can replace the image and have the bookmark be preserved. The ODF specification allows two kinds of bookmark targets. There can be a single point in the document flow that is the target. That is the common case. There is also a feature to mark the start and the subsequent end of a bookmark span. I think you want the image (anchor) inside of that. You should be able to see what happens by examining the content.xml file of the generated ODT. Then see how to accomplish that using the OpenOffice SDK. - Dennis -Original Message- From: purushottam kumar [mailto:purushottam.ku...@pankanis.com] Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 23:16 To: dennis.hamil...@acm.org Cc: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Need help on bookmark writter Hi Dennis, Thanks for your quick response. Actually i have a openOffice template in doc or in odt format that may contains some text, images and tables. There will be some marker in that doc which i need to replace dynamically for different users using openOffice SDK. For text markers i have achieved this task using user fields. In the same way for images i am thinking to have a dummy images in my doc, so that i can change that dummy images with a particular user image at runtime. For this , i am thinking to achieve this task using bookmark, but i am not sure weather we can fill any bookmark with some image or not. Please guide me , how can i achieve this. PS: i am using openoffice sdk for this. Regards, Purushottam On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 10:48 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: Please say more. Are you saying you want the bookmark to be on an image so it can be referred to using the bookmark? Is the problem that the bookmark exists already and you want to replace the text with an image? Did you place the bookmark on a range of text or just at a point in the text? What you cannot do is use an image as the name of the bookmark. If the image is anchored to text, you can bookmark where the image is. You can also use the Navigator to go to images without bookmarking them. (See View Navigator) You can also link to images without using bookmarks to do it. - Dennis PS: You have reached a public mailing list on which volunteers contribute to questions from other users like themselves. For any follow-up, please reply to dev@openoffice.apache.org where expert users can offer further advice and others can learn the solutions others have found. -Original Message- From: purushottam kumar [mailto:purushottam.ku...@pankanis.com] Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 07:51 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; dev-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Need help on bookmark writter Hello Sir, I want to replace the content of a bookmark with an image instead of some text. Is this possible in Openoffice? Please help. Regards, Purushottam 9922008483 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
FW: [Issue 95672] Look and feel of the education website
More spam on the Bugzilla. -Original Message- From: bugzi...@apache.org [mailto:bugzi...@apache.org] Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 04:37 To: iss...@openoffice.apache.org Subject: [Issue 95672] Look and feel of the education website https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=95672 johnhomes s...@wensil.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||s...@wensil.com --- Comment #3 from johnhomes s...@wensil.com --- godd now the site is more appealing for the visitors that want to learn about the project. http://www.fixithere.net/xbox-live-customer-support-phone-number-uk/ -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the issue. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Double licence ALv2.0 and CC-BY-SA 3.0
Is it correct to assume that we are speaking of documentation and, specifically, material for the OpenOffice.org wiki and web site? If the idea is to maintain the core material on only one place, you need to decide what is the upstream source. It seems to me that means the place with the most-permissive licensing. Namely, the AOO sites. If that is the case, the note below applies, I think. - Dennis Documentation Licensing on AOO sites I recommend that no license be added to the material, so that the default license on materials for those sites would apply. You are already contributing under your iCLA. See http://www.openoffice.org/license.html and the bottom of these pages, https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Main_Page. Other licenses are for legacy content and are not used for new content. I am operating on the assumption that dual-licensed material are not acceptable in that form as contributions into ASF Project repositories and sites for the same reason that Category B materials are isolated. Share Alike is at least Category B and is arguably Category X. Whether someone makes a derivative under CC-BY-SA (with International 4.0 preferable to 3.0) is their business, provided the minimal attribution requirements of ALv2 are satisfied. Of course you are also free to contribute elsewhere under any license you choose, so long as it is your original work (in the sense that is used in Copyright nomenclature). -Original Message- From: Guy Waterval [mailto:waterval@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 04:41 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Double licence ALv2.0 and CC-BY-SA 3.0 Hi Michael, Hi all, 2015-03-11 12:14 GMT+01:00 RA Stehmann anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de: [...] But: if a user creates a derived work and puts it unter CC-BY_SA only, Apache can't use the derived work. (Use includes also improve and share.) So the problem is the use of improvements. This is the problem I thought. For cliparts extensions it's not an issue, because they can be produced under different licences as they stay external to the AOO project itself. But a documentation on OpenOffice is more sensible because the improvements could quickly produce 2 different versions, which is not really interesting. Regards -- gw - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Need help on bookmark writter
Please say more. Are you saying you want the bookmark to be on an image so it can be referred to using the bookmark? Is the problem that the bookmark exists already and you want to replace the text with an image? Did you place the bookmark on a range of text or just at a point in the text? What you cannot do is use an image as the name of the bookmark. If the image is anchored to text, you can bookmark where the image is. You can also use the Navigator to go to images without bookmarking them. (See View Navigator) You can also link to images without using bookmarks to do it. - Dennis PS: You have reached a public mailing list on which volunteers contribute to questions from other users like themselves. For any follow-up, please reply to dev@openoffice.apache.org where expert users can offer further advice and others can learn the solutions others have found. -Original Message- From: purushottam kumar [mailto:purushottam.ku...@pankanis.com] Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 07:51 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; dev-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Need help on bookmark writter Hello Sir, I want to replace the content of a bookmark with an image instead of some text. Is this possible in Openoffice? Please help. Regards, Purushottam 9922008483 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: community communication versus private PMC communication, WAS: PMC FAQ update
I am not certain exactly what issue is proposed to be discussed here. If you mean the over-use of private@ by the PMC, is there an issue to discuss? Those of us on the PMC need to be attentive to minimizing private@ discussions and bring to dev@ every discussion that is not one of the special cases requiring discreet usage of private@. Talking about it here doesn't seem necessary. Who would disagree? Those of us with PMC accountability need to make it so. It is expected of all PMCs. - Dennis More background, since volumes of private@ usage have been presented. There are two matters that have been brought here recently although they had wandered in and out of private@: 1. The changes to the PMC FAQ, involving a small comedy of errors (my synopsis) 2. The concerns about the openoffice.org/why page on the cost of compliance which also involved the Legal list and some private@ chiding by ASF officials The other major sources of recent volume on private@ involved private matters. Sometimes these are resolved entirely without any public discussion (e.g., handling a request for or dealing with an issue about trademark usage, votes to add new committers and/or PMC members). Generally, sometimes there is a privately-raised concern that is discussed until it is noticed that it has turned into a discussion that belongs on dev@ and not private@. It would be good to catch those earlier. It is up to the PMC to be vigilant and execute on those. Anything that involves policies impacting the project itself clearly must come to dev@ if there is ever any sort of proposition that involves conduct of the project and alignment of the community. A variety of privately-raised concerns simply come and go, however, even if there is a significant flurry of discussion at first. There are some routine items that arise from time to time on private@ but do not seem to introduce any major spurt in volume. With regard to the relative silence of other PMCs, I suggest that Apache OpenOffice has much greater reach into diverse communities and corresponding areas of concern compared to many Apache projects. We are not homogenous and we deal with many levels of participation and direction, much simply on account of the magnitude of the software, the sites, the intended users, and the history. We could be not so driven although I expect that would not resonate on dev@, user@, or the forums. -Original Message- From: jan i [mailto:j...@apache.org] Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2015 01:11 To: jan i Cc: dev Subject: community communication versus private PMC communication, WAS: PMC FAQ update Just realized, that many might jump over the old subject. This issue is an important issue and should not be hidden behind another subject. rgds jan i. [ ... ] You are opening a very important issue here. This moderator subject was, but should never have been discussed in private. During my first round as PMC, and now in my second round, I can see the private@ is being wrongly used (in my opinion, with my PMC hat on) to have long discussions which could just as well be public. I am convinced that the PMC is NOT doing this on purpose, but simply because they forget. Without disclosing content here are some interesting numbers: private@aoo compared to dev@aoo March: 53 on private@, 93 on dev@ Feb: 347 on private@, 400 on dev@ Jan: 111 on private@, 542 on dev@ Numbers are taken from the mail archives, and might be off by a couple. I am a member of several projects and it is fair to say that none of the other private lists I follow have a similar relationship. Typically private@ in the projects I follow count for 5-10% of the mails. I agree with Simon that we have a community issue here (thanks Simon for pointing it out, I had not made the connection between moderators and the use of private@) Some of the PMC are trying to stop the mail flood and remind the PMC group to make the thread publicly, but it seems to be something that takes time. I for one will do, as I did in the beginning of this thread (and got quite flamed for it) disclose my own opinion and as much as I can from private@ without breaking the rules. I believe it is high time to discuss this issue openly...and hopefully not only contributors but also comitters will raise their voice. rgds jan I. S. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: community communication versus private PMC communication, WAS: PMC FAQ update
I'll ask one more time. What action is expected here on dev@ to impact how the PMC uses private@ ? I can't speak to what the volumes of private@ messages are without knowing what those discussions were. In the cases I have seen since I joined the PMC in February, discussions that should be here have ended up here. It is not unusual for something that starts legitimately on private@ to advance to something that should be brought to dev@. It perhaps could have started on dev@ but didn't. Once it starts on private@ it sometimes takes a little thrashing around before we catch ourselves and the topic is reframed in a form for dev@ (i.e., without breaking confidences). There is no way for dev@ subscribers who are not on the PMC to know there are discussions that should be on dev@ yet remain on private@. The PMC has to police itself. Any one of us can declare here that inappropriate use of private@ is happening, but anyone not on private@ has no means to assess the facts and determine how serious it might be in any particular case. - Dennis -Original Message- From: jan i [mailto:j...@apache.org] Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2015 10:03 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; dennis.hamil...@acm.org Subject: Re: community communication versus private PMC communication, WAS: PMC FAQ update On Saturday, March 7, 2015, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: I am not certain exactly what issue is proposed to be discussed here. If you mean the over-use of private@ by the PMC, is there an issue to discuss? Those of us on the PMC need to be attentive to minimizing private@ discussions and bring to dev@ every discussion that is not one of the special cases requiring discreet usage of private@. Talking about it here doesn't seem necessary. Who would disagree? Those of us with PMC accountability need to make it so. It is expected of all PMCs. Well look at the numbers, I did not publish the numbers for 2014, but you will see a high number of mails on private@ so it seems that not all agree to keep private@ low. [ ... ] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: PMC FAQ update
-- replying below to -- From: jan i [mailto:j...@apache.org] Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 06:03 To: dev Subject: Re: PMC FAQ update On 6 March 2015 at 14:36, Dave Barton d...@tasit.net wrote: [ ... ] OK! One last attempt to clarify and resolve a trivial issue, that has become clouded in misunderstanding and mistranslated into some kind of bike-shedding subject. It is _NOT_ about anyone WANTING to be recognised, or having their name listed somewhere. It is _NOT_ about limiting the number of moderators and there is no need for any existing moderators to step back. There is _NO_ need to show moderators email addresses, the list owner address works perfectly well. It is _NOT_ important where the information is made available. The one and only thing I suggested is that we have a simple, easy way for any of us to check ensure that we have adequate list moderator coverage. if that is the only purpose, then it is a lot easier to look at the mail list configuration files, which are available to any infrastructure or infra-interest committer of which there are plenty in this project. All that needs to be done is whenever somebody stops being a moderator (which happens with a jira ticket) check it there are still sufficient moderators. So for that purpose we really do not need an extra list. orcmid I say the purpose is for transparency and sustainability in a way that these arrangements are visible to our public and interested parties without depending on membership in or ceremonies of any priesthood. The effort involved in maintenance is out of a commitment to provide that without requiring tacit knowledge of infrastructure operations or anything else. Of course, it would be handy to have documentation on how one adds and removes administrators of this kind where newcomers could find it. That would be much more involved and it is not being asked for. /orcmid [ ... ] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: PMC FAQ update
I am aligned with Simon and Louis on this. Part of the reason for knowing who moderators and administrators are is for transparency. Civil names (sometimes pseudonyms, such as RGB-ES) could be used, although (optional?) Apache IDs are very handy too. Another reason is so if someone goes missing or there is some sort of turnover, it is possible to easily determine that replacements or additions are required in order to have adequate coverage. That is related to sustainability. One cannot address sustainability if it is unknown who the incumbents are and where it is useful to add/train additional contributors. It is not necessary to supply email addresses, which is apparently the main concern, especially because some folks use private email addresses that are not widely-published for some mailings. (Those who have an Apache ID often do not use the corresponding email address, even on private lists, and it always makes determination of binding votes all the more tricky.) Knowing who is on the PMC and who is the Chair is a different matter and that is easily found, just as it is easy to determine who are the committers on Apache OpenOffice. In all of these cases, the Apache ID is easy to determine even if it is not listed. I fail to understand why anonymity is important for any of these list administration roles, even for private@ and security@. From my perspective, visibility comes with taking on those duties, especially since there is unusual karma involved. And having it recorded in a public page that is kept current goes with the importance of having the information current and readily available. I definitely agree this is a conversation for dev@. - Dennis -Original Message- From: jan i [mailto:j...@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2015 07:39 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: PMC FAQ update [ ... ] If people want to tell the world what they do in such detail, they should publish it, we should not publish peoples names without the consent of the people. My concern is not so much having the list of names, but more that it is forced to participate. If people added themself to the list it would be ok because it would be their own choice. rgds jan i [ ... ] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: [DISCUSS] Inappropriate Compliance Costs
+1 Yes, that is pretty clean, especially with regard to the tone. -Original Message- From: marcus [mailto:mar...@apache.org] Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 14:10 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Cc: Jim Jagielski Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Inappropriate Compliance Costs Am 03/01/2015 01:31 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: On 23/02/2015 Andrea Pescetti wrote: This is the proposed new version of http://www.openoffice.org/why/why_compliance.html I've put the page online. It incorporates the suggestions made in this thread. The only significant changes are in the For Developers section, that I copy/paste below for review (even if it is online, we can of course change it at any time). thanks a lot for your text. I hope that this topic is now finsihed with this. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone?
These days, it is probably cheaper and safer to split the data onto a couple of 64GB USB Flash drives, or compressed onto a single one. I keep forgetting how economical, and easier to mail, that those have become. Meanwhile, I have put Rob in touch with a participant in collecting material for the Computer History Museum. It seems that there may be a meaningful check with the materials that Herbert Duerr have collected as well. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2015 12:51 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: RE: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone? Oh, duh ... @rob, I can send you a 500GB USB drive or even a 1.5TB SATA drive. Not sure what format you could put on it, assuming you run Linux. NTFS is preferable but FAT32 might work on the USB drive. Sometimes there are filename incompatibilities (such as : in filenames in an SVN). - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2015 12:29 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: RE: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone? orcmid Is the source code in this SVN identified as LGPL, along with any THIRDPARTY notice in the manner that Sun provided those? This strikes me as sufficient to distribute it or house it somewhere. Whether the Computer History Museum would preserve such a thing seems possible, simply in compliance with the licenses that apply to the source. It would be up to their officials whether to do that or not. I have had a couple of contacts there. I will ask about this case. Meanwhile, there are a couple of things we could try to preserve the file(s) off-premise for you. I can provide you with an FTP account and a folder location if you want to try putting it on a web location I have, although I Think installing it as an SVN reload might be best. I'd Have to learn how to bring up SVN there, though. Another way would be to put it on OneDrive. I'm told I have 1TB available. It probably can't go up as a single file, though, and it could be tedious to break up. Other thoughts? /orcmid - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: [PROPOSAL] move repo to Git.
I'm going to add my +1 to this proposal. It occurred to me, when looking into the old OOo SVN dumps that Rob has, that there may be many more downstream users that are on Git and that our being on Git would facilitate accepting appropriately-offered pull requests to the AOO repository. It seems this is a lower-friction way of sending fixes upstream than going the patch creation and submission route. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Jürgen Schmidt [mailto:jogischm...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 04:01 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] move repo to Git. [ ... ] If possible to get a git repo only it make sense. That means we don't have to move any webpage related stuff into git. Just the pure code is relevant her. +1 for a git repo Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone?
In addition to the other options for preserving the old SVN dumps mentioned in the attachment, it is also possible to supply the files to the Computer History Museum in Mountain View, California. This will not make them available on-line, but it will preserve them in their catalog and have them available for use by historians and researchers. This is a means of preservation as a backstop to any approach that also provides access but is vulnerable to obsolescence. Although CHM mostly collects gear and papers, they also collect software and have been known to scrape web sites of individuals in order to preserve those and their downloads. (They also collect verbal history through video interviews, such as their series of interviews with Donald Knuth. I believe Grady Booch did their interview with John Backus, and there are doubtless others, such as Sir Tony Hoare.) I'm not clear what protocol is required to make a clean contribution in the case of the OO.o SVN though. @Rob: You put in a great effort to make the SVN that was loaded as part of the Oracle grant. Does this include that work or is this something else that you found in the OO.o materials? - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 14:11 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: RE: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone? -- replying inline to -- From: Rob Weir [mailto:r...@robweir.com] Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 12:38 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone? On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 7:22 PM, Marcus marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: IMHO this is an invaluable source of our history that we shouldn't loose. I agree with this -- it's history for every derivative of OO.o, not just AOO. Please save it at a location where it cannot be deleted by accident. So, the best would be indeed somewhere on a server/disk that is controlled/accessible at apache.org. One issue may be licensing, as the work stored on Rob's disk was not the one approved by Oracle to be relicensed for use by Apache. Even if that can be resolved, the image probably also includes portions that were not included in the code identified for relicensing approval. I'm no expert on Apache policies but it seems possible either of those conditions could make the file inappropriate for storage by Apache directly. It is not exactly the syllabic nucleus of the Vulcan language, but it could be useful. If someone can offer a better long-term place for this, please chime in. An SVN dump file is a text file, so I could gzip it down to something a bit smaller, maybe 50 GB. It could be even more useful, of course, if hosted as an actual (read-only) repository, to consult the history of the code base. I'll hold on to it for now, but note that this is not currently in any controlled data center. It is just sitting at home on a shelf, susceptible to the whims of fire, water, wind, the fates and cats. It would be good to get it under suitable curation. orcmid Three prospects (worst to best?) 1. I just saw mention of an Apache branch on a file-sharing service, not a code repository, but 50GB might be a reach. 2. I have a web hosting service that promises unlimited storage and no bandwidth usage limit (though I think instantaneous bandwidth is limited). They also support CVS, SVN, and GIT, but I think I would have to install the SVN myself. I could easily create an FTP account just for transfer and preservation of that specific content though. Not certain about curation. Just another mirror for preservation purposes. 3. I think SourceForge might be able to swallow this and set it up as a read-only SVN. Although the Apache Extras there are set up mainly as a download service, there is no reason that it could not have a repo too. This would be perfect so long as it is workable for them. /orcmid Regards, -Rob S. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone?
Oh, duh ... @rob, I can send you a 500GB USB drive or even a 1.5TB SATA drive. Not sure what format you could put on it, assuming you run Linux. NTFS is preferable but FAT32 might work on the USB drive. Sometimes there are filename incompatibilities (such as : in filenames in an SVN). - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2015 12:29 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: RE: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone? orcmid Is the source code in this SVN identified as LGPL, along with any THIRDPARTY notice in the manner that Sun provided those? This strikes me as sufficient to distribute it or house it somewhere. Whether the Computer History Museum would preserve such a thing seems possible, simply in compliance with the licenses that apply to the source. It would be up to their officials whether to do that or not. I have had a couple of contacts there. I will ask about this case. Meanwhile, there are a couple of things we could try to preserve the file(s) off-premise for you. I can provide you with an FTP account and a folder location if you want to try putting it on a web location I have, although I Think installing it as an SVN reload might be best. I'd Have to learn how to bring up SVN there, though. Another way would be to put it on OneDrive. I'm told I have 1TB available. It probably can't go up as a single file, though, and it could be tedious to break up. Other thoughts? /orcmid - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone?
-- replying inline to -- From: Rob Weir [mailto:r...@robweir.com] Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 12:38 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone? On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 7:22 PM, Marcus marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: IMHO this is an invaluable source of our history that we shouldn't loose. I agree with this -- it's history for every derivative of OO.o, not just AOO. Please save it at a location where it cannot be deleted by accident. So, the best would be indeed somewhere on a server/disk that is controlled/accessible at apache.org. One issue may be licensing, as the work stored on Rob's disk was not the one approved by Oracle to be relicensed for use by Apache. Even if that can be resolved, the image probably also includes portions that were not included in the code identified for relicensing approval. I'm no expert on Apache policies but it seems possible either of those conditions could make the file inappropriate for storage by Apache directly. It is not exactly the syllabic nucleus of the Vulcan language, but it could be useful. If someone can offer a better long-term place for this, please chime in. An SVN dump file is a text file, so I could gzip it down to something a bit smaller, maybe 50 GB. It could be even more useful, of course, if hosted as an actual (read-only) repository, to consult the history of the code base. I'll hold on to it for now, but note that this is not currently in any controlled data center. It is just sitting at home on a shelf, susceptible to the whims of fire, water, wind, the fates and cats. It would be good to get it under suitable curation. orcmid Three prospects (worst to best?) 1. I just saw mention of an Apache branch on a file-sharing service, not a code repository, but 50GB might be a reach. 2. I have a web hosting service that promises unlimited storage and no bandwidth usage limit (though I think instantaneous bandwidth is limited). They also support CVS, SVN, and GIT, but I think I would have to install the SVN myself. I could easily create an FTP account just for transfer and preservation of that specific content though. Not certain about curation. Just another mirror for preservation purposes. 3. I think SourceForge might be able to swallow this and set it up as a read-only SVN. Although the Apache Extras there are set up mainly as a download service, there is no reason that it could not have a repo too. This would be perfect so long as it is workable for them. /orcmid Regards, -Rob S. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
[DISCUSS] Making Users Awesome
After reading the samples and other discussions about a new book, I have purchased and downloaded the PDF version of Badass: Making Users Awesome There is a sample on the O'Reilly web page for the book, at http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920036593.do. Scroll down the page to Related Content where there is an image of the cover and a page with a clover leaf. That provides the PDF of an useful extract that explains the emphasis of the book. The preview of another section of the book is available at http://www.oreilly.com/free/badass-making-users-awesome.html. I think this book could be valuable in having it be our users (including contributors) be awesome in their experience with Apache OpenOffice and the project. You may find the format of this book, based on the Head Start approach pioneered by the author, awkward or even trivial. I know that it is too easy for me to read through this format very quickly and be left with nothing. I need a way of progressing through this book that includes much reflection and application to situations of concern to me. For finding value in the context of the Apache OpenOffice project, I would like to engage with others in a reading group where the book is worked through chapter by chapter and we examine how the lessons of the book apply to different users and contributors to the Apache OpenOffice project. I am interested in appraisals of the free preview material and also suggestions of how to organize and conduct a reading group specifically around how this could be applied for AOO. - Dennis MORE INFORMATION I don't know how availability of the electronic version works outside of North America. In the US, it is valuable to create a free O'Reilly online account. Account holders receive information about discounted availability and there are regular discounts for subscribers. I used the buy-one, get-one-free code available to subscribers to buy the Badass book and one other with 50% off on the combination. I always have my eye on O'Reilly eBooks and this was a way to get another book of interest at the same time. -- Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org dennis.hamil...@acm.org+1-206-779-9430 https://keybase.io/orcmid PGP F96E 89FF D456 628A X.509 certs used and requested for signed e-mail - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: [DISCUSS] Inappropriate Compliance Costs
Thanks for the analysis Jonathon, 1. The edge case I was thinking of was being able to obtain a bounty of up to $1 million USD. It is actually a formula based on the amount obtained in a settlement that is obtained *without* litigation. The edge case is that happening where the settlement exceeds $10 million USD. We're not talking innocent violation of license terms here, we're talking about willful violations, so I am in some ways unsympathetic. (And I don't think anyone being so willful is interested in this web page, since if they were completely willing to abandon whatever pirated goodies they are clinging to I think it would have happened, considering the level of exposure.) 2. There is an interesting situation with the FSF case, as I recall. The FSF only has standing to litigate in those cases where they have obtained the equivalent of CLAs from contributors. The achievement of the suit that I remember the most about was it having demonstrated that the GPL is indeed enforceable in courts. It's true, of course, that it would be smarter to find permissively-licensed code to use instead, not only ALv2 as an alternative. Of course that's why some FLOSS adherents consider permissive licenses to be corrupt. - Dennis -Original Message- From: jonathon [mailto:toki.kant...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 03:54 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Inappropriate Compliance Costs [ ... ] ### Addressing various issues mentioned in other emails. The page under discussion identifies some worst-case situations that are not representative of what happens, FWIW, as far as SBA compliance is concerned, it does not cover worst case scenarios, but rather, average to _best_ case scenarios. (IOW, if anything, it understates what happens, if the SBA targets your business. Also, contrary to SBA claims, they individuals are also targetted.) As far as FSF compliance is concerned, their formal policy is to work with organizations, and _not_ go to court. Even in court, they are willing to settle at any point during the trial, up to, and including seconds before the judge issues the official verdict.(IOW, if you are in court for a GPL violation filed by FSF, it is either because your attorney is incredibly incompetent, or you are incredibly stubborn.) In both instances, there won't be much, if anything, in the court records. The SBA takes, without going to court, and the FSF simply insists on making changes in the organization's operations, so that it fully complies with _all_ software licenses, not just the FLOSS licenses. What one can find, is FSF and SBA press releases, that describe what happens when they do find violations. I submit that a software producer could distribute binaries under per-seat licenses that were based on software completely under a permissive license and dispute violations of the terms under which those binaries were made available to a customer. Whether or not said producer gets anywhere legally, depends upon the specific license of the binary: * With GNU GPL 2.0, odds are the producer qua plaintiff, gets to pay defendant's court costs; * With BSD, odds are the defendant loses the lawsuit, because they did violate the license; There were a few firms that distributed OOo under a per seat license. They all appear to be out of business. There were, and are some firms that provide LibO AOo support, on a per seat basis. They appear to have an informal policy of allowing a percentage of understatement of seats, whilst providing full support for all seats. [ ... ] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: [DISCUSS] Inappropriate Compliance Costs
I see there is some wordsmithing discussion going on concerning the draft from Andreas. I confess that it is difficult for me to contribute to that considering that I find the entire activity one that requires a more global perspective. Here are a few observations. I am afraid I have nothing useful to contribute beyond this. 1. THE ROLE OF THE ASF Nowhere in this account is there any recognition of the part that the ASF has in what users of releases from Apache Projects can rely on with regard to the provenance of the code and the applicable license(s). In particular, it is very important how the ASF operates in good faith in relying on declarations that contributors make about having the right to make their contributions. 2. SBA AND FSF DISPUTES AND LITIGATION The information about SBA activities, and FSF activities, is not supported by useful information about what specific disputes were and how settlements were obtained without litigation in most cases. The page under discussion identifies some worst-case situations that are not representative of what happens, and does not indicate any specifics about when the reported disputes occurred and how someone could find details of them (including what the actual bounty offer is from SBA and where in the world all this applies). I submit that a software producer could distribute binaries under per-seat licenses that were based on software completely under a permissive license and dispute violations of the terms under which those binaries were made available to a customer. While that may be far-fetched, there is nothing about the licenses that makes it so. 3. THE SMALL MATTER OF PATENTS AND TRADEMARKS I already suggested that anyone who wants to make a derivative of the AOO release has to contend with all of the license that apply to that code (not just ALv2) and be satisfied concerning the safety of their so doing. That is especially the case for a commercial actor having the kind of assets that would have them be vulnerable to a dispute over license conditions. Nowhere is it mentioned about how patents are dealt with in ALv2 and that there still remains the fact that patents not held by contributors can still be infringed by the code or by the employment of the software in processes that constitute infringements of patents held by third parties. Any commercial actor has to be attentive to this matter regardless of the form of open-source license that applies to the software itself. We already know about trademarks and how that can be a factor in what someone can do with the derivative or a distribution that they produce. I submit that commercial actors, especially, will arrange to understand what they need to do to ensure compliance in their activities, and such parties are not going to rely on that web page in such matters. And just today there was a request on the users@ oo.a.o list asking for reassurance that redistribution of AOO within an organization was acceptable. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 07:55 To: 'dev@openoffice.apache.org' Cc: 'Jim Jagielski' Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] Inappropriate Compliance Costs Please note that I have also included Jim Jagielski in this reply, although he has reported that he does not follow dev@ here. I suspect continuing to do this is an intrusion on him, yet providing a BCC or separate forward seems inappropriate as well. orcmid Jim has since asked to be copied on continuing discussion on this topic. /orcmid I have not seen a [Vote][Result] on the currently-open vote on what to do about this page, so it is odd to have a revision in hand while we are still deliberating on what direction to take. That may be an e-mail glitch on my part. orcmid The vote result has now been announced and a majority of the ballots cast favored retention of the web page with modifications and clarifications. /orcmid [ ... ] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: [DISCUSS] Inappropriate Compliance Costs
Please note that I have also included Jim Jagielski in this reply, although he has reported that he does not follow dev@ here. I suspect continuing to do this is an intrusion on him, yet providing a BCC or separate forward seems inappropriate as well. I have not seen a [Vote][Result] on the currently-open vote on what to do about this page, so it is odd to have a revision in hand while we are still deliberating on what direction to take. That may be an e-mail glitch on my part. I want to point out two things only. 1. The OpenOffice Mission I gather that many believe there is an OpenOffice mission to educate users to basic concepts about free, open source software and licenses. I don't believe there is consensus on that matter, although there are clearly many in this community that find it a great thing to be doing. Either way, I would claim that this is not an appropriate mission for an Apache Project. We need to distinguish our personal preferences from what our (especially the PMC) obligations are with respect to how the ASF expects projects to further *its* mission for contributing open-source software in the public interest. I have said this before in one form and another and I will stop here other than to point out that we continue to resist advice from officials of the ASF that find the subject page objectionable. 2. The Purpose of the Page The page at issue is part of a section of the OpenOffice.org site named why/. It is clearly an advocacy section from the days of Sun and Oracle custody. The specific page has it appear that Apache OpenOffice can be cloaked in the flag of Apache License Version 2 goodness and rightness and it leaves adopters with pretty much complete permissive freedom for its binaries (nearly true) and its source code (not true at all). Apache OpenOffice is not a pure ALv2 release. * And that is not just because the presence (or absence) of category B software in the binary distributions is not explained. I fished out the NOTICE and LICENSE files from the current release as it is installed on Windows. (It is not in the obvious place. Look in the folder where the binaries are.) The NOTICE file is 185 lines in 6,025 bytes of plaintext. The LICENSE file is 4,174 lines in 212,394 bytes of plaintext. There are multiple copyright notices and more than 25 license statements (not counting repetitions of the same ones). While this might not matter to someone only using the binaries, it definitely matters to any commercial enterprise that considers mucking with a source release. Finally, concerning the need to build a working binary without dependencies on category B, etc., I notice we are currently dealing with crashers that arise when a JRE is not available. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 16:15 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Cc: Jim Jagielski Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Inappropriate Compliance Costs On 02/02/2015 Andrea Pescetti wrote: I'll propose a rewrite And here we are. It is not the way I would have written it, but it seems a reasonable way to fulfill what I believe to be part of the OpenOffice mission (whatever people think): educating users to basic concepts about free, open source software and licenses. This is the proposed new version of http://www.openoffice.org/why/why_compliance.html meant to will preserve SEO value and informative value, but (hopefully) in a more neutral tone. [ ... ] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: OpenOffice for Firefox OS
-- replying below to -- From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 09:56 To: OOo Apache Subject: Re: OpenOffice for Firefox OS On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 7:56 AM, Marcus marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Hi, the German news service Heise Online has reported yesterday that the company rollApp has made available OpenOffice and LibreOffice on Firefox OS: [ ... ] Interesting! Supposedly, they've segmented OpenOffice into its individual modules to use in the browser. Worth trying out. orcmid It appears that they are running the full app in the cloud and the Firefox OS apps are front-ends, probably 1-to-1 to the Text, Spreadsheet, and Presentation interfaces of the full software in some manner. That also gives them less to have to deal with when porting to iOS and Android. I agree. Worth trying out, especially for how cloud storage solutions fit in. /orcmid -- - MzK An old horse for a long, hard road, a young pony for a quick ride. -- Texas Bix Bender - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: recent BZ changes -- some custom fields missing?
+1 nicely done, Kay and Herbert -Original Message- From: Herbert Duerr [mailto:h...@apache.org] Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 04:23 To: d...@community.apache.org Cc: qa Subject: Re: recent BZ changes -- some custom fields missing? Hi Kay, We had an update to our BZ instance about a month ago. In all honesty, I didn't give the update a thorough review. Now, I see that our Release Blocker button, and Request Review button seem to be missing. Can someone else confirm this? or is it just my situation. Thanks. I can confirm that this was the case. The migration of these bits must have gone wrong: The release-blocker flags were still there, but none were activated, so I re-enabled the 4.1.2-blocker flag. The request-review flag was also still there but there were no groups left that were allowed to request or grant reviews of a patch attachment. I'm not sure what the original setting was, but I think every registered user could request the review and every member with can-confirm rights could grant the review. I reset these bits accordingly. Thanks for finding and reporting these problems! Herbert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qa-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: qa-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Keith McKenna as CWiki admin
+1 and kudos to Keith (Side question: Is there some location where it is known who has the keys/karma to administration various services under AOO?) -Original Message- From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 23:47 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Keith McKenna as CWiki admin This one has been in queue for a long time, sorry Keith... As discussed on the doc list last month, new volunteers often ask for a MWiki account and a CWiki account at the same time. Keith already has privileges to create MWiki accounts, but not to create CWiki accounts. I propose that we give Keith the CWiki admin privileges too, so that we are more efficient in handling new account requests. I'll assume lazy consensus on this. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: [Vote] What should we do with the Why Compliance? page on the website
-Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:r...@robweir.com] Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 11:58 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: [Vote] What should we do with the Why Compliance? page on the website The page in question is here: http://www.openoffice.org/why/why_compliance.html Voting choices are: [ ] Leave the page as it is. [ ] Make changes in that text parts where the facts are wrong or the tone does not fit or ASF rules were broken. [X] Delete the entire page. The vote will last for 72-hours. All are welcome to vote. PMC votes are binding. Please put comments into the parallel [VOTE][DISCUSS] thread. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: [VOTE][DISCUSS] What should we do with the Why Compliance? page on the website
I favor the option proposed by Tim Williams. I think a good interim maneuver is to remove the sidebar link and then we can fuss about the page ad lib. I haven't checked on the notice that Marcus put up just yet. If that stays, it needs to ripple through the translations too. If I have to cast a ballot on the [VOTE] as worded, it will be for deletion. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Tim Williams [mailto:william...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 09:53 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Proposal to change or remove a web page that seems to cause unfruitful discussions. On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 12:44 PM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: [ ... ] I simply do not see the need that AOO goes out alone, on confrontation course with ASF, to explain the difference in licenses seen specifically for our pow. We do not need this kind of pointing fingers. Let other projects use the license they believe in and let us use the license ASF believe in without telling we are better or even different than the others. fwiw, as a lurker here, that approach is much more consistent with the broader culture around here. Leave the provocative stuff to personal blogs and media. I think a good solution is to just delete the page and add a link to the faq[1] to your existing 'free' page[2] - I just don't see any value beyond what's already written between those two. Thanks, --tim [1] - http://www.apache.org/foundation/license-faq.html#WhatDoesItMEAN [2] - http://www.openoffice.org/why/why_free.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice Wiki
I think you are not seeing anything about Unicode because ODF is fully Unicode and so is Apache OpenOffice and it is taken for granted. It came with being based on XML. I think you are asking something not about use of Unicode but perhaps having fonts the support the characters you are interested in, having a helper for finding and introducing those characters, or perhaps having more symbols in that particular insertion feature, in the math functions, etc. If it has to do with Base, that might be a problem with database drivers that are not controlled by OpenOffice. Please be more specific and we can narrow this down to something that we can help clarify with you. Also, let us know what platform/OS you are running Apache OpenOffice on. - Dennis PS: Do not reply to me personally. I do not promise to respond. Please reply to dev@openoffice.apache.org where appropriate participants can contribute to clarifying this. -Original Message- From: Steve Henes [mailto:stevehe...@henes.net] Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 09:29 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice Wiki As hard as it is to find a place on the website showing the improvements in the newest version of Open Office, It is even harder to find a place to let you know that it appears like an attempt to avoid making useful information easy to find I know this is the wrong place to send this to - please forward. I primarily want to know if the newest update will support a useful or very large subset of unicode characters. A search for Unicode on your site provides nothing, so I assume you don't support it. Each time I come to your site, finding anything more than a lot of statements about how wonderful you are is difficult. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Proposal to change or remove a web page that seems to cause unfruitful discussions.
PROPOSAL: Remove the page link from the sidebar, so that the controversial page is no longer reachable from other pages on the site. Do this in all languages having the page. We can then continue this discussion about the page itself, whether it is to be recast in some manner, whether the disclaimer from ASF goes on the top (sort of like a Wikipedia warning) or not, or whether to replace it with a tombstone that refers to some ASF policy page or other flat-footed description of how the Foundation views the variety of open-source license and development models in consistency with its commitment to operation in the public interest. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 11:23 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Spam (11.08):Re: Proposal to change or remove a web page that seems to cause unfruitful discussions. I think we need to rewrite or remove the page. We can talk about the permissive AL. We can suggest that people do their own research and/or seek their own counsel. We could even offer a google link. If we have a vote then here is my +1 to make a change as we should not be offering this type of advice. I write this as an Apache Member and AOO PMC. Rob if you think differently then you ought to be engaging other Apache Members in this discussion. Regards, Dave [ ... ] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Proposal to change or remove a web page that seems to cause unfruitful discussions.
+1 on change or removal It is perhaps more useful to follow the thread view of the conversation that resumed today on the legal-discuss mailing list, http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201502.mbox/thread. Some suggestions have been voiced there too. Anyone can also follow that list via the web archive or subscribing. It is all available to the public. Observers might also be interested in knowing who the participants on that thread happen to be in addition to those whose voices are known on this dev@ list. This http://apache.org/foundation/ may be helpful in terms of the Board composition and the Corporate Officers (listed before all of the PMC chairs). I have already made my views known on this topic and I will not repeat them. I do suggest that the continuing effort to rationalize that page and to consider it a compendium of essential facts that AOO and even ASF has some duty to present is a case of fighting way above our own weight and it would be very good to stop twisting the wound and remove that thorn in some suitable manner. Officials of the ASF have made it clear that this page does not reflect views of the ASF and that its posture is objectionable. For those expressing pique over it being a topic on legal-discuss at all, I am mindful that AOO exists at the pleasure of the ASF, not the reverse, and that alignment of projects with how the ASF sees its public-interest duty to be fulfilled is a very big deal, AOO-exceptionalism notwithstanding. This project is accountable, via its PMC and through its Chair, for demonstrating and preserving that alignment. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Simon Phipps [mailto:si...@webmink.com] Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 08:39 To: dev Subject: Re: Proposal to change or remove a web page that seems to cause unfruitful discussions. On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: Why not just take it down, and re-publish it when there is a more agreeable content on it. That sounds smart to me, +1. I note that on legal-discuss Jim [called the page][1] misrepresentation - maybe he has comments on what the project should do here? S. [1]: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201502.mbox/%3CB5FAC1D8-332E-48FD-A495-5E5C9255A859%40jaguNET.com%3E - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: [RESULT] [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair
1 Andrea -Original Message- From: Rony G. Flatscher (Apache) [mailto:r...@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 06:15 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair On 18.02.2015 20:46, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 08/02/2015 Andrea Pescetti wrote: I will send a resolution for the next Board Meeting (18 February) for replacing me with Jan Iversen. The Board has just approved the resolution, so Jan Iversen is the new OpenOffice PMC Chair (or, to state it in official terms, Jan is the new VP, Apache OpenOffice). I've updated the Foundations records accordingly. Jan is now listed as Chair at http://www.apache.org/foundation/index.html and in internal ASF resources. Congratulations, Jan! And let's continue to work together for the continued success of OpenOffice. Congratulations, Jan! Andrea: thank you very much for your incredible (thoroughful and patient) work as PMC chair for AOO. I have been very impressed by your professionalism, which has been serving the AOO project a lot! I am glad that you keep sticking with the AOO project and looking forward to meeting you on one of those conference occasions again! ---rony - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Updating the wiki theme.
+1 Nice idea and great attention to progressive staging. - Dennis -Original Message- From: acolor...@gmail.com [mailto:acolor...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Alexandro Colorado Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 14:41 To: dev Subject: Updating the wiki theme. I would like to update the wiki theme to the one that we use on the homepage. ATM the wiki theme uses the very old OpenOffice.org, we are going 4-5 years in Apache and still have the same look and feel. I would like to get a new theme on the wiki for current style. First step should be to 'create' a theme that can be hacked and tested. Then change it to the default by the wiki admin. The old wiki would still be available and enabled by users that preffer the old one, but new theme could become the default once reaching a functional style. Please comment. -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor 882C 4389 3C27 E8DF 41B9 5C4C 1DB7 9D1C 7F4C 2614 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: [PROPOSAL] move repo to Git.
We use Git on the Corinthia incubator. For Apache committers, there is not much difference in how one makes commits and it is much easier to work on branches for anyone. Using clones does add a step between change and commits at the Apache origin repo, as Yuri observes. Users of SVN who have not delved into Git may find some of this helpful with regard to the main effects. - Dennis THERE ARE BASICS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME BUT ... The nomenclature is different. Clone is the counterpart of the SVN check-out. Commit is not the counterpart of SVN commit. A Git clone is a local full repository and a working directory with the files that are initialized to the current head of that clone. The working directory is essentially a particular view into the clone repository along with any changes made in that working directory that have not yet been committed to the clone repo itself. My experience is that what I just said broke my brain. I had to let go of how I look at using SVN and just let that soak in as I began to understand how Git has local operation work. I have a clone of the Apache-hosted Git on my windows desktop. It serves me just like an SVN working copy, and even looks the same in terms of what I see in working folders (except I use TortoiseGit for one, TortoiseSVN for the other). Now, when I have worked on changes in that working copy, a commit goes to the *local* clone, not to the Apache origin. This works without my having to be online or even connected (unless the clone is on a network share). I usually use the GitHub for Windows application to do this, even though the Apache origin repo is not on GitHub. The GitHub app works fine with all Git repos on my system. The value of the GitHub application is that it shows me quickly what local working material is not committed and lets me selectively choose what to commit and write the commit message. This is still done on the clone. The other value of the GitHub application is that it shows me whether there are changes at the origin that I have not synced with, as well as showing how many commits I have not pushed to the origin. In a single Sync operation, I can pull down all the recent changes from the origin and, because I am a committer, directly push my recent changes up to the origin. Any conflicts will not impact the origin, but will require me to fix them locally first. A safer way, is to pull down the changes from the origin first, to ensure there are no collisions, then do a push (or a sync because it is just handy) to line up mine and the origin. I found that it took some baby steps, but I now do that easily and without effort. The big difference, which does not intrude on ordinary processes such as I have described, is when you want to revert a commit to the clone. The Clone has the *complete* history of the origin repro, as of the latest sync. You can dig into it entirely locally. And if there is some sort of disaster, someone with a good clone can completely restore the origin or otherwise preserve the repo (but for origin changes not synced at the time of disruption). You could, in principle, also fork a project by having a clone that you never/rarely sync to the origin but that you continue to pull down origin changes from. There is probably some set of git operations and options to make all of that work and allow the pulls down from the upstream origin to be reviewed and pushed to the fork's origin repo. I can imagine such a structure where patches made to the upstream origin's code could be made available via pull requests to that origin but the unique material on the fork is not offered. I've not dug into git enough to know how to pull all of that off, but that would work in cases of externals that AOO relies on and that we have had to patch to work as an AOO dependency. We would want to provide some upstream patches to an external git repo for the originating project to accept or not when are changes are general fixes or improvements. BRANCHING IS EASY AND OFTEN The difference about branches is profound, especially for a large repo such as the Apache SVN. In SVN, there is essentially a full copy of some part of the repo. It is not *literally* a copy, but as either a branch file or the original file change, the branch file does become a separate copy. However, a checkout of the branch is definitely a full copy. Messy. With Git, when you start a branch in a clone, nothing happens. Basically, your working copy, currently identical in the branch and the trunk (often called master in Git repos), just sits there but it is labeled the branch. You can work on the branch and when you commit locally, you are committing to the branch. If you switch back to the master, you will see the master without any of the branch changes. If you switch back to the branch, your local working folder will have the master from the point the branch started, updated
RE: website security certificate
I just checked https://openoffice.org and https://www.openoffice.org and saw no certificate problems. I also did a Google search on Open Office and saw no suspicious links in the first results. All the ones to Apache OpenOffice locations work just fine. Your search will also produce results for organizations and sites that have nothing to do with Apache OpenOffice. Please redo the google search and tell us the URL that you attempted to access. That is, can you see what the link is in the entry. It is usually right under the heading of the search-result entry. If that doesn't work, tell us what the search term was (what you typed to Google) and what the heading of the result you tried is. Also, what browser are you using? This is usually what determines there is a security certificate discrepancy. -Original Message- From: Brenda Bergman [mailto:brendaleewilk...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 07:28 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: website security certificate When I was trying to go onto your website from a google search is said their was an issue with your security certificate and recommended not continuing to the site. Thought I'd let you know in case it's killing your traffic. Brenda - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: [RESULT] [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair
+1 and Hip, Hip, Hooray! -Original Message- From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 11:47 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair On 08/02/2015 Andrea Pescetti wrote: I will send a resolution for the next Board Meeting (18 February) for replacing me with Jan Iversen. The Board has just approved the resolution, so Jan Iversen is the new OpenOffice PMC Chair (or, to state it in official terms, Jan is the new VP, Apache OpenOffice). I've updated the Foundations records accordingly. Jan is now listed as Chair at http://www.apache.org/foundation/index.html and in internal ASF resources. Congratulations, Jan! And let's continue to work together for the continued success of OpenOffice. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: website security certificate
With Brenda's permission, I am reporting her direct replies to me back to the list. I also have a jpg screen image that I will need to upload somewhere, such as into a Bugzilla issue. In a follow-up along with the message below I learned that 1. The browser is Firefox 2. The URL is https://www.openoffice.org 3. From the screen capture, the message that arrives most-recently is as follows, with the home page visible and a pop-under beneath the address bar (which has a caution ! sign in front of the URL): 3.1 This website does not supply identity information. 3.2 and beneath that, The connection to this web site is not fully secure because it contains unencrypted elements (such as images). 3.3 There is a help button and a More Information ... button. Now that I think about it, that is all you would see that is relevant in the .jpg, so I won't bother to upload it. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Brenda [blissfulh...@live.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 13:07 To: dennis.hamil...@acm.org Subject: Re: website security certificate It said something like the security certificate was for another website, I think. I tried it twice and it did it both times but once I decided to go ahead to the website, since I had been on it before, it hasn't done it again (I'm assuming b/c my browser saved my preferences) but it is showing a warning up near the domain address bar. I attached a screen shot of the warning. Normally, I wouldn't go on a website if I got that warning (b/c the warning screen from google recommended NOT continuing to the site) but since I've used Open Office before I did. Brenda -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 1:12 PM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Cc: brendaleewilk...@hotmail.com Subject: RE: website security certificate [ ... ] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Moving code from oooforum to mwiki
Sorry, I meant can we give credit to the source. It appears it is DannyB. And also from the oooForum, with particular title? Credit should be given on wiki pages having the moved content. - Dennis -Original Message- From: acolor...@gmail.com [mailto:acolor...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Alexandro Colorado Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 13:58 To: dev; Dennis Hamilton Subject: Re: Moving code from oooforum to mwiki On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: It seems to me that the mwiki is the best place, based on the origin of whatever the code examples are. Putting it on the SVN of the code repro is inappropriate because of license requirements. Putting it on the web site is more work. Do we know who the original contributors are for these, and can we preserve their attribution? No DannyB has been off the radar for 10+ years. - Dennis -Original Message- From: acolor...@gmail.com [mailto:acolor...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Alexandro Colorado Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 12:24 To: dev Subject: Re: Moving code from oooforum to mwiki On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 3:17 PM, Marcus marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 02/17/2015 08:56 PM, schrieb Alexandro Colorado: Is more than code, there is an explanation and tutorials going into each code. Also these files are not indivdiual so you need to reference to other pieces of code to being able to run. even then it would be in good hands in SVN. The AOO code is also splitup into many different files resp. file types. And only when they work together we get a run-able binary at the end. I didn't mean refferenced as depencencies, I meant referenced as in 'how to run' this piece of code. This could only be added as comments on code which becomes a bit of a hassle when you dealing with multiple files. Marcus On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:53 PM, jan ij...@apache.org wrote: On Tuesday, February 17, 2015, Alexandro Coloradoj...@oooes.org wrote: Just to inform the community that works with Python, I am in the process of moving some of the relevant code that used to be hosted on oooforum. Since the past issues with that forum I am copy-pasting the code to the mwiki so it can be hosted so in case oooforum goes away forever, these code can still be survived and reused. Same is going with other sites and tutorials. I encourage people that want to contribute with this efforts, or want to review and maybe update this code since its pretty old and might not be useful with the current versions of PyUNO. Would it not be better to put it in svn? rgds jan i Links are here: https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Python Primarily on PyUNO Modules. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor 882C 4389 3C27 E8DF 41B9 5C4C 1DB7 9D1C 7F4C 2614 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor 882C 4389 3C27 E8DF 41B9 5C4C 1DB7 9D1C 7F4C 2614 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: OOo4Kids OOoLight Status
-- replying in-line to -- From: jan i [mailto:j...@apache.org] Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 14:27 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; dennis.hamil...@acm.org Subject: Re: OOo4Kids OOoLight Status On Tuesday, February 17, 2015, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: +1, Nice thinking, Guy. Perhaps a bit more work and resource to make this customizable, and a great idea. This also matters for enterprise deployments and such. That, along with customized template sets can be very important in certain areas of application. We still have the original resource problem to solve, yet it is nice to see thoughtful definition taking place. Do we (AOO) have to solve that, or is it the project (being downstream to AOO) ? To me it sounds like a downstream adaptation. orcmid I confess I was thinking of customizations as something that could be added without having to rebuild the code. That would require building-in of a technique for customization. The starter and intermediates might well be introduced in that manner, though part of the default build. I suppose that means creation of an extension point unless it is practical to skin the product using the existing extension machinery. I also suppose that there has to be versioning of an extension point and concerns for future distributions breaking existing customizations. /orcmid rgds jan i [ ... ] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: OOo4Kids OOoLight Status
+1, Nice thinking, Guy. Perhaps a bit more work and resource to make this customizable, and a great idea. This also matters for enterprise deployments and such. That, along with customized template sets can be very important in certain areas of application. We still have the original resource problem to solve, yet it is nice to see thoughtful definition taking place. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Guy Waterval [mailto:waterval@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 13:00 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: OOo4Kids OOoLight Status Hi Jan, Hi all, 2015-02-16 10:26 GMT+01:00 jan i j...@apache.org: In order to keep it (as AOO) we. need to know - is the brand registred and eho has the current right to the brand - can we as AOO provide resources to keep this alive I think it is a good downstream project, but I do not currently see a possibility to add this to the AOO project. Hi Jan, Hi all, Many thanks for the proposition. But I think (personal opinion, I don't speak for educoo) that it would be a waste of ressources, as we don't actually have the needed dev capacity to assist in such a process. For me, the best way is to maintain the availability of OOoLight and OOo4Kids (they are always usable), but the users should be informed (for transparency purpose) that their developpement is currently discontinued due to a lack of developers. Regarding a possible personalization of the UI of AOO to fit it better for Kids or users with low needs, here are some thoughts. Please, consider that it is not a request but only some thoughts to enhance the use of profiles and get again more flexibility to AOO. All this can perfectly be managed manually. Reading the posts of jonathon and Dennis, perhaps a possible way : Command : Tools Options Appearance Select UI-Profile ... opens the Dialogbox Available UI-Profiles. Dialogbox Available UI-Profiles Lists the existing profiles from the AOO_4.1\User\OpenOffice4\ directory (Windows example) and allows to activate, delete or export one of them or allows to add a new one. Button Add a new Profile ... : opens the dialogbox Add a new Profile to add a new Profile to the list. Button Activate profile : - renames the actual activ profile user and restores its original name. - renames the choosen profile as user and stores its original name in a memory. - restarts AOO with the choosen profile. Button Cancel to quit. Button Delete : to suppress a selected profile after advertisement (Do you really want to suppress the sected profile ?). Button Export : creates a zip archive of the selected profile in the list to can save and share it with other users, or send a corrupt profile for expertise. Button Help : displays an information text about what is a profile and what is stored in it. It's not so clear for most users (me included). An opportunity to clarify definitely this question. Dialogbox Add a new UI Profile Allows to install a new Profile in the AOO_4.1\User\OpenOffice4\ directory - Button Browse near an editing zone to search the new Profile (.zip file) to install. - Button OK : unzip the choosen .zip file and installs the resultant directory to the AOO_4.1\User\OpenOffice4\ directory. Returns to the dialogbox Available UI-Profiles and actualizes the list. - Button Cancel to quit and return to the dialogbox Available UI-Profiles without modifications. Possible interests : - more flexibility with a single product. No reduction of size, but most computers currently support AOO without any problem. - adaptable UI in a school context or for users with low needs. - for advanced users, possibility to create more sophisticated profiles (integrating sets of special templates or galleries, etc. ) for specific purposes (i.e. lawyers, translators, specific technical needs), and shareable with other colleagues. Some questions about that : - Interest or not, from a marketing point of view, for instance? - Feasability : easy or not easy task ? Cost of ressources acceptable or not ?Unreachable objectiv ? - Implementation directly in the AOO code obligatory or possible installation through an extension ChangeProfile ? - Standard profiles could be created inside the users mailing list, after discussion, to select the commands to integrate by default in the the different standard levels. Certainly not a trivial work to select the commands. After that, an advanced user can always refine the standard profiles or replace them with its own personal profiles. Thank you to have read this piece of bad English up to the end ;-) Regards -- gw - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: OOo4Kids OOoLight Status
I recommend something more neutral such as Starter, Intermediate, and Full or some equivalent, so it is about the interface, not the user of it. The default on an install could be Starter in the absence of an existing user configuration. Should we consider having the skins simply be options on a single binary, especially since they should all be able to consume the same ODF files? This should mean that the same localizations would work and be done once for a release. The help system might be specialized based on the skin selection, but that is an isolatable provision. There would also be no explosion in the builds and problems of users having to choose among them. I am assuming there would be no dramatic difference in the chrome so the move among levels is not startling in terms of appearance, but more in availability of menus, sidebars, some dialogs, etc. And, of course, this is yet one more interesting area where we would have to find developers that are equipped and available to work on something like this. - Dennis THINKING OUT LOUD [To help with interchange, the configuration file could be used to signal which level was used to produce a document, so that the consumer has some idea what might be needed to edit all of its features. Having this be smooth in all directions takes some more thought.] My limited sense of OOo4Kids is that it is not just the build of OpenOffice but the packaging of extensions and other aids that matters. The downside of a single distribution is that it does not become smaller than the current one. I don't know if that matters for an OOo4Kids clone or not. OT: This is a problem that Microsoft Office has attempted to address in a variety of ways over the years. The idea is not to confront new users and the very occasional users with a plethora of choices and complex menus. One attempt involved progressive disclosure of additional options and choices based on what an *individual* user tended to use, so it was personalized and dynamic. Like it or not, the ribbon was the replacement for all that. One useful feature about the ribbon is that it can be collapsed and almost all of the application window used for the document being worked on. The context (right-click) menu provides a variety of immediate actions depending on where the cursor is and the ribbon can be recalled when needed. And there are substantial provisions for customization, including simple tuning by users who put features they use often on a quick-start bar next to the window title. I put a sample screen capture about this at https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126098#c9. -Original Message- From: jan i [mailto:j...@apache.org] Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 01:26 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: OOo4Kids OOoLight Status On Monday, February 16, 2015, RA Stehmann anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de wrote: On 15.02.2015 23:14, Guy Waterval wrote: You could reduce the number of options here. For instance OOoLight is not necessary. The differences with OOo4Kids are too small. Novice, Intermediate and Advanced (AOO without modifications) should be enough (personal opinion). IMO the brand (OOoLight) should be kept and a special skin, so adults need not to use a kiddy skin, if they want to use a lighter office suit. In order to keep it (as AOO) we. need to know - is the brand registred and eho has the current right to the brand - can we as AOO provide resources to keep this alive I think it is a good downstream project, but I do not currently see a possibility to add this to the AOO project. rgds jan i But this may not be important. Regards Michael -- Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Bugzilla on mailing list
Do you mean that you do not receive a direct copy of the Bugzilla notice where you are the creator or on the CC list for an issue? I just submitted a Bugzilla comment. I received two copies: the list copy and a direct copy on [Issue 126098]. Perhaps there was a change that interferes with mail rules you are using? - Dennis -Original Message- From: FR web forum [mailto:ooofo...@free.fr] Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 02:02 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Bugzilla on mailing list Hello list, Since Bugzilla maintenance, I see notifications in issues@ mailing list. But I don't receive any e-mails. Did you have same problem? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: [PROPOSAL] move repo to Git.
-- replying in-line to -- From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 10:01 To: OOo Apache Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] move repo to Git. [ ... ] I'm just curious about these statements. Have potential new developers remarked on this to you? Since most IDEs support a variety of version control mechanisms, I'm wondering how the suggestion to switch to git might have emerged. But, again, I have never used git and it might be the coolest thing ever -- I have NO idea! :) orcmid I think there are many developers who only use Git and clamor for the familiar. There is also tool religion involved. It takes some brain rewiring to get your head around how git works for an user, but it becomes easy after that. The plus is that every working copy has the entire history, not just the latest of things. Synchronizing with a master is an interesting process, and handling branches is particularly easy if you are careful. Collisions are handled in an intriguing way too. It is easy to start a branch in a working copy for testing an idea and getting it working, then merging it back to the main branch before synchronizing with an upstream master. This doesn't clutter the upstream and if you are careful to keep pulling down any changes from upstream before merging your branch, it can go very nicely. I did a Microsoft Virtual Academy on-line class on Git support in Visual Studio. That was a trip. /orcmid - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: [PROPOSAL] move repo to Git.
Got it. Sorry for wasting everyone's time. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 04:49 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] move repo to Git. Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: OK. Then what is the point of github_team.txt? Vanity only. People will see the Apache badge when looking at your Github profile. So this has little in common with this discussion, which is about two tools (svn and git) both hosted at Apache. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: [PROPOSAL] move repo to Git.
-- replying in-line to -- From: jan i [mailto:j...@apache.org] Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 13:36 To: dev; Dennis Hamilton Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] move repo to Git. On 14 February 2015 at 22:27, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: Corinthia has its code tree (not web site) on Git. There is a mirror on GitHub as Apache/incubator-corinthia. Even then I was unable to do a push to the mirror although I went through the ceremony to pair my Apache ID and my GitHub ID. From that factoid, I have to conclude that all mirrors are read-only or my pairing is not working. I am not certain how to tell the difference. Well I did tell you earlieryou cannot push to a mirror, you have to push to the canonical repo (git://git.apache.org/incubator-corinthia.git) This is true for any GIT repo, and not only ASF. orcmid OK. Then what is the point of github_team.txt? I notice that I am listed as a member of the Apache project at GitHub although github_team.txt still lists my application as pending. (I did just change my entry at GitHub to Public from Private.) /orcmid rgds jan I. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 10:41 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] move repo to Git. [ ... ] 2. Although I have paired my apache.org ID and my GitHub ID and it was confirmed a couple of months ago, I cannot do a Sync that pushes a small change from my computer to the GitHub repo. So I get that there is no good way to push to GitHub for this repo. [ ... ] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: [PROPOSAL] move repo to Git.
Corinthia has its code tree (not web site) on Git. There is a mirror on GitHub as Apache/incubator-corinthia. Even then I was unable to do a push to the mirror although I went through the ceremony to pair my Apache ID and my GitHub ID. From that factoid, I have to conclude that all mirrors are read-only or my pairing is not working. I am not certain how to tell the difference. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 10:41 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] move repo to Git. [ ... ] 2. Although I have paired my apache.org ID and my GitHub ID and it was confirmed a couple of months ago, I cannot do a Sync that pushes a small change from my computer to the GitHub repo. So I get that there is no good way to push to GitHub for this repo. [ ... ] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
