[e-gold-list] Re: What flaws does egold have? Seriously?
Suzanna, Don't worry, Omnipay has recently lowered their Inexchange requirements for the general public. This move was most certainly only completed after studying the flaws in their current service. The total lack of customer support, failure to respond to e-mails and phone calls, losing wires for weeks, this is all BOUND to change any day now. By lowering their inexchange requirements, OmniPay is effectively taking business away from the established Market Makers who DO believe in exceptional customer service. They would obviously not do this if they were not prepared for the onslaught of associated problems of such a move. Perhaps you missed Reid Jackson's news briefing on this list a few days ago detailing their recent decision. Since he is the manger of operations, I am quite sure he took the time to contemplate the reactions such a move would evoke from the market.As Danny Taggart pointed out:lower prices means more business, more phone calls, more e-mails, more research requirements, etc. Surely this was all planned for and they are most likely hiring additional staff as we speak to meet this demand. Why don't you just call them now? They have a wonderful voice mail system that you can wait on hold withuntil they are prepared to serve their customers in an efficient and professional manner. Should be any day now ;0) Eric - Original Message - From: Suzanna To: e-gold Discussion Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 1:31 PM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: What flaws does egold have? Seriously? I don't know. I know one may have been a trojan virus situation, but the other two were password retrieval hacking jobs. Egold is aware of this problem and are doing NOTHING about it. Nor will they even help the victims get their funds back. If they had just responded immediatly to the calls, emails and faxes of these people, the funds could have been traced and retrieved before leaving the system. But No... it took days for egold to respond. If you guys have any inside clout with egold, perhaps you could get them to do something about this problem. Here are two of the account numbers that funds were siphoned off into: 08/29/200014:11 Payment Made 593147 Gold -19.315735 148757 19.315753 oz 273.60 To: Cees Huisman NL 1632 and 2/8/0105:43 Payment Made 1963567 Gold -56.660528 132992 1,762.312402 g 262.80 To: MetalSavings deposit accountMerchant Reference #: 723 Memo: credit to acct#143 Any ideas? - Original Message - From: Viking Coder To: e-gold Discussion Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 9:01 PM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: What flaws does egold have? Seriously? Yes, it should be addressed... for some reason it hasn't been and it happens all the time! Do you mean people are hacking into e-gold's server and, without any foreknowledge of the passphrase, extracting money out of somebody's account?This is a very serious charge/matter and should be attended toimmeadiately.ORDo you mean people are sending out harvester viruses, like a version ofthe ILOVEYOU virus, that ask people for their e-gold acct# passphrase invarious assundry ways? These viruses could even take the form ofkeystroke loggers that get inserted into the system's Startup calls whenthe unknown executable is run, or when somebody is using MS Outlook andreceives (a simple preview without even opening the mail is sometimesenough) said virus-ladden email.Using MS Outlook without turning off several of it's 'conveniences' issomewhat similar to having the 'convenience' of having a house that willautomatically open it's doors whenever somebody approaches the house. Thisis great for your wanted visitors. However, when a thief approaches yourhouse...There is nothing that e-gold can do this. You are warned that you shouldnever disclose your passphrase to anybody but e-gold. You are cautioned tonever run executables from unknown/untrusted sources. If you do, er,well...Viking CoderWorth Two Cents?http://www.2cw.org/VikingCoder---You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]---You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Apology
Everyone, I just wanted to take a quick second and apologize for my recent lack of respect for the rules of the discussion list. I have let a little feud that has been festering between myself and another individual get out of control. I do not want to see a "flamer war" raging in front of other people that are obviously not interested in the disgust two people have seemed to acquire for one another. These lists are not the place for such activity and my remarks as of late have been less than professional. I do apologize for this and will curtail my postings. Now...let the real "E-GOLD DISCUSSIONS" rage on! Most apologetically, Eric GaitherPresidentGaithmans Gold Nation, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] (317) 788-8580 Voice(317) 788-8581 Faxhttp://businesses.msn.com/GEGE/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: and wouldn't TWC be to die for!
Khurram, Once again, I applaud your rationalizations! Too little effort appears to be aimed at attracting the larger merchant organizations to accept e-gold. As a fellow Market Maker, it appears that the bulk of e-gold use is still limited to the many investment games/ponzis/pyramid programs out there. The list of accepting merchants DOES appear to be growing on the directory page, however, I have yet to see a major household name brand merchant added: J.C. Penny, Sears, Maytag, Calgon, GM, Ford, etc. Perhaps this will soon change as it appears the G. Matyjewicz and the SR team are pushing to get these merchants on board. While they are promoting SR-AUG, it is backed by e-gold, therefore indirectly e-gold use is being promoted. I have always been a believer that the MM's should focus on the act of the exchange. "IMHO" it should be those that developed the currency that negotiate with the merchants to accept it. You are a wise man far beyond your years, Mr. Khan! With Great Respect, Eric - Original Message - From: "Khurram Khan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "e-gold Discussion" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 12:29 AM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: and wouldn't TWC be to die for! --- Douglas Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll bet well over 100 people on this list send money to TimeWarner Communications every month too. Imagine TWC's (and other utilities') overhead relating to acceptance of mailed checks: - latency for check to arrive via mail, - human beings to open envelopes and manually transcribe posting information into operator interface, - prepare deposits and take to bank, - deal with overdraft checks... I wonder if this means that some marketing dollars are going to be spent to attract some large businesses. e-gold/ GSR's main marketing objective seems to be to attract Market Makers who will go out and attract people to use the currency. This just doesn't work. While MM's may be able to attract small mom and pop shops and individuals, they can not attract large business. Coming from a MM, is sounds like a sales pitch. "Hey I sell this stuff, so can you accept it" Coming from the company that issues the stuff can be a little different then the everyday telemarketing sales pitch. Khurram Khan _ Get email for your site --- http://www.everyone.net --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: and wouldn't TWC be to die for!
Craig, I agree with your points. And it appears, even so if indirectly, you are also supportive of the notion that the effort to promote e-gold's acceptance for big ticket items seems to have stalled. No wait: ..."patient appears to be in a state of non-response to verbal stimuli. Life supportive interventions have been implemented. Vent support initiated. IV fluids with a gtt rate 150 cc's per hour. Nourishment via Peg tube 250 cc bolus q 6 hours. Foley cath. Ted hose. Oral care q 2 hours. At this point, we have done all we can. It is up to the patient now..." There comes a point when outside efforts do well to maintain, but an internal desire to thrive and grow must come from the "patient". Once a "patient gives up the will to live, imminent death is soon to follow. E-gold "users" are growing, "accounts" are growing, but as you pointed out, there is a backsliding in people ACCEPTING e-gold. That is, until you consider the games/schemes/ponzis. Like a virus, they seem to multiply at an alarming speed. Perhaps a new desire for growth WILL come from within now that some competitors have joined the field. GoldMoney, Wise Assets, who is next? Eric - Original Message - From: "SnowDog" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "e-gold Discussion" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 8:16 AM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: and wouldn't TWC be to die for! Once again, I applaud your rationalizations! Too little effort appears to be aimed at attracting the larger merchant organizations to accept e-gold. As a fellow Market Maker, it appears that the bulk of e-gold use is still limited to the many investment games/ponzis/pyramid programs out there. I believe there will always be two kinds of money in this world, because there are two fundamental types of transactions: 1) Consumer controlled transactions, where the Consumer will demand the final say in the transaction; 2) Seller controlled transactions, where the Seller will demand the final say in the transaction. Transactions which are driven by consumers include relatively small value items with large price mark-ups. With consumer merchandise, sellers can accept some charge-backs and bounced checks, and still make a profit, because their mark-up is high, and their sales increase substantially when they allow the consumer to use his credit card. For these types of 'soft money' transactions, people can use credit cards, personal checks, money orders, and the new third party payment services, like PayPal. However, one would never consider using a credit card to purchase a new car, or a house, or to make a payroll, or make a B-2-B payment. These types of high-dollar transactions, where the seller cannot afford to have a payment reversed, will be controlled by the seller, and he has a need for 'hard money' which he can rely on to fulfill the transaction without the possibility of a reversal. This is where e-gold comes in. E-gold is TOO expensive to be used to purchase consumer merchandise, and will probably NEVER be used for this purpose. However, it is PERFECT for a large-value, low-markup transaction, and will probably find its niche here. A consumer will not want to spend his e-gold on a new toy, but he will be glad to use it for a new car, a vacation, perhaps a new house, to make a payroll, and perform other business transactions. Do you realize that the average number of listings on eBay, which accept e-gold, have FALLEN in the past year, even though e-gold is now 5 to 10 times larger than when I started counting the number of eBay auctions which take e-gold? Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Gold Sale
Good Afternoon! I have some bits of information that may be of great interest to all of you gold buffs out there! We are conducting a test of some new software for our exchange service and thought we would try it out with a smallgift to the e-gold community. Today, Gaithmans Gold Nation, Inc. is having our first ever "gold sale" and minor price reduction. This is a one day only market/software test, so it may not be repeated. E-gold and SR-AUG- 4.5% for payment by bank wire and cash deposit. Funding will be SAME DAY. (Meaning: you will have the gold in your e-gold or SR accountTODAY) This is a 3% reduction in our standard "Priority Service"fee. IF you are interested, please notify me as soon as possible as supplies are limited and I expect to complete this by end of today's business. Again, SAME DAY funding at 4.5% (save 3%) for bank wire and cash deposit and receive the gold TODAY. To all of you chess players out there, this might be a great time to pick up some e-gold to prepare yourselves for the new chess game that is being developed that accepts e-gold! OR, buy some Capuline coffee, pick up some goods from Amazon.com via www.Bananagold.com (try anyone one of the "commerce by proxy" sites), get a new website from www.Yourhost.com, pick up something warm and fuzzy from www.ReallyCuteBears.com , a new plant fromwww.MoonPlants.com , the possibilities are endless! Take a look at the e-gold directory page yourself and see what you can do with your new e-gold supply: http://www.e-gold.com/unsecure/links.htm Remember: E-gold and SR-AUG at 4.5% funded TODAY...going...going Gaithmans...Get There! Warmest Regards, Eric Gaither, President Gaithmans Gold Nation, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://businesses.com/GEGE/ (317) 788-8580 Voice *To qualify for the SAME DAY funding at 4.5%, payment must be made by bank wire or cash deposit to a Gaithmans approved affiliate. Please review our website for a complete listing of payment options, instructions, and locations! --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Omnipay Non-Response and Delay Problem
Joe, Hi, Joe! I must admit, even the best of the Market Makers occasionally get bogged down in fulfilling orders and have lapses in quality customer service from time to time. I must admit I have had my share of "breakdowns" in my history as a Market Maker! I sympathize with your situation. Please understand the Omnipay is a rather large company now and deals with a great volume of orders on a daily basis. From time to time, "situations" such as your's do arise. I am sure it was a simple oversight, not a personal grudge or attempt to keep your funds from you. Perhaps on your next exchange you might want to consider employing the services of one of the many smaller, independent Market Makers. Most of us put our emphasis on "quality" vs. "quantity" and dedicate ourselves to providing outstanding support (prompt replies to questions, answering calls, quick turn-around times) to our clients in return for slightly higher rates. Take a look at the e-gold directory page and scan the dozen or so independent MM's listed there. If you are serious about your desire for quality Customer Service, I humbly ask that you consider Gaithmans: http://businesses.msn.com/GEGE/ Regardless of your decision, I wish you the best with your on-line ventures and electronic currency transactions! Hang in there, many of e-gold, Ltd's and GSR's (dba Omnipay) staff read this discussion list daily. I am confident one of them will see your posting and take necessary steps to correct the situation! Respectfully, Eric Gaither, President Gaithmans Gold Nation, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "E. Barnes" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "e-gold Discussion" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 11:44 PM Subject: [e-gold-list] Omnipay Non-Response and Delay Problem I recent transferred gold to Omnipay's account and ordered a check. THIRTEEN days later, the check was processed. I've queried Omnipay via email as to the ridiculous wait and have had no response. I long ago quit bothering with their 800 number as no one ever answers nor do they ever call back. Has anyone else been having this problem? --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Omnipay Non-Response and Delay Problem
Mr. Barnes, I would like to second Khurram's suggestion. PaybyGold is an excellent service that allows you a great deal of flexibility in payment by check with e-gold. Khurram's service comes highly recommended! Respectfully, Eric Gaither, President Gaithmans Gold Nation, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Khurram Khan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "e-gold Discussion" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 12:34 PM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Omnipay Non-Response and Delay Problem Hello Mr. Barnes, Perhaps you would like to try PayByGold. It offers a similar servie to OmniPay. Order a check and have it sent to anywhere you want. Khurram --- "E. Barnes" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recent transferred gold to Omnipay's account and ordered a check. THIRTEEN days later, the check was processed. I've queried Omnipay via email as to the ridiculous wait and have had no response. I long ago quit bothering with their 800 number as no one ever answers nor do they ever call back. Has anyone else been having this problem? --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get email for your site --- http://www.everyone.net --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: 1st South African exchange provider now open - great rates, low hassle!
Hello, I woould also like to welcome "SA-EgoldXchange" to this list. I am curious, though, have you been contacted *yet* by Barry Downey or Reid Jackson about using the word "e-gold" in your company name? They trademarked the word (several words) and are very strict about companies using the word in their name. Just curious. Welcome and good luck with your ventures! Eric - Original Message - From: "shupperd1" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "e-gold Discussion" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 4:23 PM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: 1st South African exchange provider now open - great rates, low hassle! Welcome aboard, we are glad to have you with us!! James Shupperd Money to Gold, and Gold to Money, Pays Referral Comissions Directly to Your eGold account. the FASTEST funding on the net. www.fastgold.net Stay informed about all the latest egold investments, games, and scams. BE INFORMED!!! http://www.e-told.com/?157585 Are you part of The Gold Foundation? If not you need to be. A solid membership that I run. Ask me for the details. God Bless You and Yours, James Shupperd Contact me anytime ICQ # 99212386 Aol Instant Messenger: James Shupperd - Original Message - From: "Georg Ritschl" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "e-gold Discussion" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 7:14 AM Subject: [e-gold-list] 1st South African exchange provider now open - great rates, low hassle! E-Gold enthusiasts from Southern Africa used to have to face considerable hurdles in order to convert their Rands into ounzes of shining e-metal. This is now over! SA-EgoldXchange accepts bank transfers, cheques and cash in South African currency and is located in Johannesburg South Africa. Considering the costs of international wire transfers and losses by conversion of rands into US-Dollar, the service fees are unbeatable: They are starting with just 5% based on E-Gold's published E-Metal/U$ Dollar exchange rate, based on the same day's conversion rate ZAR/U$D as published by Standard Bank South Africa. The website is at www.sa-egoldxchange.com SA-EgoldXchange - a venture of Contour Marketing cc. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Question
Hello, Is anyone else experiencing a problem while trying to do a spend with e-gold today? I keep getting a message that says : "Error Out of memory" and a few strange codes. Just curious! Eric --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Fw: ACCEPT CREDIT CARDS FOR ONLY$29.95 FLAT!
Hello Gold Community! Please be on the watch for this company and the individuals mentioned in this mass e-mail they send out from time to time. The company is a scam as its owner/operator is: Mr. Raymond Chambers President ACH Financing, Inc. 1-800--750-1462 The company is a bogus front for a credit card scam. To make a long story short (and spare you from the boring details) they are issuing fake Merchant Provider contracts to small businesses. If anyone wants the long winded, bore you to tears, detailed story, contact me directly. Otherwise, my professional recommendation is stay away from them! This is public service announcement brought to you by the friendly staff of Gaithmans Gold Nation, Inc. Gaithmans: where Exceptional Customer Service is the standard!** Eric Gaither, President Gaithmans Gold Nation, Inc. (317) 788-8580 Voice (317) 788-8581 Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://businesses.msn.com/GEGE/ **Taxes, titles, tags not included. Some assembly required. Do not take this product and attempt to operate heavy equipment. Minor side effects include giggling, smiling, and funny noises erupting from the corners of your oral cavity! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Eric Gaither, E-Gold Exchange [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 9:14 AM Subject: ACCEPT CREDIT CARDS FOR ONLY$29.95 FLAT! ***PRINT AND READ OFF LINE*** With $10 Billion in e-Commerce sales - Isn't It Time You Started Making Money On The Internet? ACH Financing is a leader in the Internet transaction processing industry. For the merchant who wants to get online fast with a limited start-up budget, ACH Financing Inc is the best choice. - 99% merchant approval rate - Virtual Checks - Real-time Processing - Competitive Rates - Unsurpassed Customer Service 24 hours a day - All eCommerce Solutions WORLDWIDE ACCEPTANCE! How To Accept Credit Cards Checks On The Internet Off-line for only $29.95 per month flat!! 3 Easy Steps To Your Merchant Account International Telephone Check Electronic Payment Merchant System Dear Web Entrepreneur/New Business Owner! Thank you for responding to our advertisement "Would You Like to Accept Credit Cards Check Processing For only $29.95 per month flat!" Worldwide Acceptance! 30 Day FREE trial! Guaranteed Funds! No Charge Backs! 24 Hour Funds Availabilty! (Telephone Check Credit Card Payment Merchant System) The enclosed information will give you the information you need about our Telephone Check Credit Card Payment System service. If there are any additional questions you need to have answered, please feel free to contact us at our main office and some one will be happy to assist you. Our office hours are 8:30am to 4:30pm Monday through Friday eastern standard time. "IMPORTANT MESSAGE" As a special bonus to the readers of this colum. the first 500 merchants that respond to this offer within 10 business days will receive a FREE BONUS GIFT CREDIT CARD MERCHANT ACCOUNT just for trying this system. "Don't Delay! ACT NOW! Accounts are being filled on a first come first serve basis. If You've ever thought about making EXTRA GUARANTEED 20,000- $30,000 per month from accepting credit cards electronic check payments in your business Here's your chance to do it!" CALL NOW! 1-800--750-1462 THANK YOU, Mr. Raymond Chambers President ACH Financing, Inc. We are a registered financial institution and MEMBER for the following FDIC insured banks: First National Bank of Central Florida Longwood Fl; Humboldt Bank, Eureka CA; Redding Bank of Commerce, Redding CA; Tehama Bank. Red Bluff,CA: Bank of Oakland, Oakland CA: Debit Network Sponsorship: Florida International Bank, Miami, Fl; Hudson United Bank, Union City, NJ; Bank of America Westmister CA; Compass Bank, Jacksonville Fl; Important Notice: Clients outside USA are required to open a $1,000 USA security deposit bank account with ACH Financing Inc to accept electronic payments. This requirement has been made a standard practice by the USA Federal Reserve Banking System. Announcing the Greatest Payment System Since the Credit Card! Attention Businesses... Accept Personal Business Electronic Payments Over The Telephone (or by fax on-line) for Your Orders, Payments, Collections Donations Worldwide! Accept e-payment over the phone (or by fax online) just like credit cards but without the charge back problems! Increase your advertising sale results by 200 % or more! Telephone Check E-Payment System prepares the payments for you and can have them deposited, electronically into your bank account within 24 hours...all at a low cost fixed flat rate of $29.95 per month! Don't lose that very important IMPULSE SALE because your customer doesn't have a credit card or has no credit available to make a purchase! *Elim
[e-gold-list] Bogus Company
Public Service Announcement from Gaithmans: Please be aware of (yet another!) bogus company claiming to process credit cards and ACH transactions for your company. The company is bogus and is run by a couple of scammers who used to work in the credit card industry. The company is called ACH Finance. The pair running the company is Charles Chambers and his brother, Raymond Chambers. They are knowledgeable of industry guidelines, terminology, and protocols. This company does a mass e-mailing from time to time that claims to be able to process credit cards and ACH transactions. They have an office in Jacksonville, FL (which I visited) and supposedly one in New Jersey. Here is how their scam works: 1. You pay initial application fee of $69.95 for a merchant provider contract. 2. They will process your first order and deliver the funds to your predesignated checking or savings account giving you the impression the company can do what they claim to do. 3. All further orders are billed, but you WILL NOT receive the funds. They will then claim it is: a. A problem within the "system". They will "fix" it. b. A "flag" was placed on your account by the Federal Reserve system. Again, they will "fix" it. c. Their "fix" was "re-flagged" by a higher administrator. Again, they will "fix" it. d. At this point, they stop returning calls and e-mails. This continues until you finally realize that they are a bogus company. Also, they use the name "Bryants Financial Services" to make your first deposit to your account. This is different from the company name "ACH Finance" on the contracts. Last, and this is the best part! The company inputs your initial check that you paid your application fee with into Versa Check. Instead of billing your account by ACH transaction (which is what the contract states), they issue their own paper checks (harder to stop payment on if you do not know what number they will be!) and continue to attempt to withdraw a monthly fee of $159.00 USD from your account. I have contacted the authorities (since they are issuing checks, this is now fraud) in Jacksonville and at my bank. Our bank will be contacting their receiving bank to reclaim our funds. PLEASE be hesitant before doing any business with ACH Finance, Charles Chambers, or Raymond Chambers. They use the office number of (904) 786-7082 in Jacksonville. Respectfully, Eric Gaither, President Gaithman's Gold Exchange, Inc. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: GoldMoney is Open
Craig, There are many of us who are GREATLY appreciative of the fact that you do read User Agreements. Your insight is well respected and I, for one, usually gain something from the facts you point out in these lengthy, jargon filled, CYA, we-have-you-by-the-short-hair agreements that are so prevelant in today's world! Eric From: "SnowDog" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "e-gold Discussion" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: GoldMoney is Open Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 19:31:37 -0600 that is a fairly high payment fee isn't it? that's higher than e-gold right -- can anyone do an anlysis? Am I the only one who reads the User Agreement? :) The break-even point is at $500. With a $500 payment, both sides charge 50 cents. Above $500, E-Gold charges a lesser rate because they cap their fee at 50 cents. Below $500, GoldMoney charges a lesser fee because they charge 1/10th of 1 percent per transaction. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: ACCT FUNDING
PeelPee, (me says) BOLLOCKS ON THE TECHNICALITY, and please reread where I mentioned the part about TRUST! In retrospect, the method is probably unsuited for sticklers and worrywarts. e-gold DOES rock! ... cheers! Yes, I agree, e-gold does rock! Unfortunately, I cannot agree on the "Bullocks on the technicality" part. As a merchant, I am constantly facing risks when it comes to accepting credit card payments. There is SOOO much fraud out there when scum bags and crooks use cards to buy items, then "chargeback" the sale (keeping the items) or claim they never authorized the transaction (again, keeping the items) to have it removed from their bill. Trust does go along way in this world (or, should I say USED to go along way in this world!). It is unfortunate that our payment systems have had to go to such extremes to create a system like e-gold, which negates the trust factor as e-gold payments are always good and non-reputable. Like it or not, e-gold fills a void that has been created by the loss of that basic characteristic-- TRUST. As a merchant, I prefer to accept e-gold because I have learned (the hard way!) that I cannot always trust the endorser. I am sure there are many other merchants out there who can tell you many horror stories about such incidents with their own businesses. It is too bad that e-gold does not have a debit or credit card directly attached to their accounts. However, a great new company called Standard Reserve DOES have that deficiency covered. IF you would like to sign up for a Standard Reserve account that DOES have a debit card attached to it, I can help you with this! (As well as Graham Kelly's GoldNow company. We are both Agents for Standard Reserve now!) Best of luck with your on-line ventures! Respectfully, Eric - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 11:45 AM Subject: [e-gold-list] ACCT FUNDING (Eric Gaither, Gaithman's E-Gold Exchange) Date: Fri, Feb 2, 2001, 10:06am (EST-1) To: Subject: Re: [e-gold-list] e-gold ACCT FUNDING (Eric says) This is technically against the user agreement of your friend's credit/debit card. Much the same as it is a "rule breaker" as a merchant to process the charges of a third party merchant on your own credit card terminal. Your friend, in buying FOR you on his credit card, then seeking re-imbursement from you with e-gold, could later claim he did not receive the goods or services he paid for with HIS card and attempt to "chargeback" his purchase. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Graham Kelly - ????
Hello, Peter Brett wrote: . . . Does anyone know anything about Graham Kelly and the GoldNow.st people?? As a rival of Graham Kelly and GoldNow, I feel a small comment is warranted for Mr. Brett. I have had the pleasure of meeting Mr. and Mrs. Kelly both personally and professionally. I think you will be hard pressed to find a businessman or businesswoman who uphold such high standards of quality customer service and order fulfillment. Many of my clients utilize the services of GoldNow and have had nothing but glowing reviews of all facets of the service received from GoldNow. If you have not been able to receive a reply by e-mail, I suggest you follow Mr. Bradley's suggestion: If some confusion is arising via E-mail, try contacting them over the internet via ICQ at ICQ #17337361 or use a cheap/free ip phone/FAX service to send him a FAX at +1(312)777-4270. The Kelly's have operations in several continents and many countries. Your e-mail may just not have been able to be answered at this time due to the volume of e-mails they receive daily. Did your e-mail contain the following information: 1. Your full name and address? 2. Your e-gold account name and number? 3. The order number you received from their website? 4. The method of payment used, the amount sent, and the dates of your transaction? 5. Your e-mail address and phone number so you could be contacted in return? As a fellow Market Maker, we here at Gaithman's receive many e-mails every day for such situations. However, most fail to contain the necessary info to track down payments such as yours. Also, please remember that "transactions take time", especially if you are now requesting a refund. I wish you the best and have full confidence in Mr. and Mrs. Kelly and their company GoldNow. I am sure there is a simple explanation to your situation. Have a great day, Mr. Brett! Eric Gaither, President Gaithman's Gold Exchange, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: PECB [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 10:44 AM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Graham Kelly - My problem is that I sent Graham 300 over a week ago,. . . . . . I now haven't heard from them since last Friday, despite asking for a status update. (and actually asking for my money back!) . . . -- While I haven't met the Kelly's, they are my friendly competitors and my E-mail communications with them have been excellent. Also I've head nothing but good things about them from clients they referred to me, when they couldn't help that particular person at the time. If some confusion is arising via E-mail, try contacting them over the internect via ICQ at ICQ #17337361 or use a cheap/free ip phone/FAX service to send him a FAX at +1(312)777-4270. Also keep in mind that settling banking transactions between countries can take a week or more (even wires can have significant lag time) -- so just cause it's been a week don't assume foul play is afoot. Plus, if you've asked to have your transaction reversed (which apparrently you have) this can cause further delays that have nothing to do with the merits of GoldNow. Regards, Parker E.C. Bradley President Gold-Age, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gold-age.net Need e-gold? Give Gold-Age a try! --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: The offer still stands (sincerely!)
Hello, e-gold as a system is trustworthy. How can a e-gold payment be "good" one moment and then not "good" later? I did not mean to imply e-gold payments are not "good" as there is gold backing them. I was speaking more from a "moralistic" viewpoint because of the amount of scams people are pulling on Market Makers. I am not referring to things like the "programs" out there, after all, "buyer beware": How many times have you heard about the following situation? Some people are told that they can double their money in 48 hrs - 45 days. They each give a US $100 bill. They soon find out they were scammed. They then begin complaining griping to high heaven that the USD is not trustworthy because they were scammed. I am referring to people who are using counterfeit checks, charging back credit card purchases, supplying bogus money orders, counterfeit USD, and so on. This costs SOMEONE in the Gold Economy a loss (yes, almost always a Market Maker) because of the time it can take to be declared "bogus" by a bank or financial institution. (Checks can be reversed fourteen days later, charge backs 6 months later, PayPal, oh, FORGET PayPal) Those losses then have to be passed on somewhere. Guess who eventually pays for it? What do you think Inexchange expenses are for? I love how everyone is quietly implying that the Market Makers are NOT doing enough to keep from getting hit. (Stop taking these payment methods, only take referred clients, use PGP, just take bank wires,) Guess what folks? These counterfeiters and scammers don't just affect the Market Makers. They affect you as well. When was the last time you were able to buy e-gold for SPOT price? If you are getting repeatedly scammed be credit cards, checks, etc... then don't accept them anymore. Don't complain that e-gold is untrustworthy anymore. This is an argument that obviously cannot be solved in a simple manner such as just saying "stop accepting xyz payments." I have (four times so far) revamped the payment methods I accept. Each time, thieves have simply designed new methods to cheat. Does this sound like I am crying "victim"? Yes, on one hand I have been victimized by people trying to obtain e-gold fraudulently. No, I do not shirk the fact that I have certain responsibilities to "know my endorsers". Currently, the best method to do so, is to validate their ID with a Driver's License, photocopies of cc's, SS #, etc.. However, certain groups are now proficient at counterfeiting those documents as well. (You would be amazed at what people can counterfeit!) By the way, classifying all hackers as untrustworthy evildoers is the same as classifying all gun owners as cold murderers. Yes, you are correct. My sincere apologies to all of you legitimate hackers out there that are simply "hacking" for non-criminal reasons. I happen to know some of the best "hackers" out there are responsible for some great technological breakthroughs and other noble achievements. I applaud your "thinking outside the box" and using "non-traditional methods" to acheive what has not yet been done or thought could not be done. The irony to all of this that a massive debate has been sparked by MM's desires to have e-gold users ID'd. It is not that we care WHO you are or WHERE you are from, or WHAT you are going to do with your e-gold. We just need to know that we have a recourse if your payment is bad. Quite the double edged sword: give people a currency that is non-reputable in exchange for the *crap* (fiat monies) they trade in now. No matter what policies or procedures we have in place, thieves find ways around it. Want proof: ask ANY Market Maker (even e-gold or GSR) if they have a full proof method to stop this from happening. In fact, my guess is this is EXACTLY why Market Makers were called for in the first place: insulation from fiat monies. So, keep your anonymity, keep your privacy, keep your financial affairs private. In return, all we ask is that you keep your BOGUS PAYMENTS to yourself as well! This message was brought to you by the fine folks of: Anti-Scam. Anti-Scam: We are the worlds only full-proof, anti-scam payment verification service. We GUARANTEE to keep your company from being cheated, duped, or hit by counterfeiters. We can detect all forms of bad checks, bogus money orders, charge back schemes, and counterfeit cash. That is right! With our proven 100% effective perfect methods, rip offs are a thing of the past. Anti-Scam: www.nosuchplace on earth.com Happy New Years! Eric - Original Message - From: Viking Coder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 3:32 AM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: The offer still stands (sincerely!) However, e-gold is now rampant with thieves, counterfeiters, and hackers who have obtained their gold stores illegally. The trust is then gone. Sure the payment is "good" at the
[e-gold-list] Re: Interesting Respons to My Rant
John, I would be very interested in reading this message you received! Eric - Original Message - From: Destiny Worldwide Net [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 9:30 AM Subject: [e-gold-list] Interesting Respons to My Rant The responses via private email to my rant against SR and BB have all been positive, except for one. I have been around long enough to not believe in coincidences anymore. Within HOURS of my rant, I received an email from BB [I will not disclose the agency at this point, does it matter?]. Is this just a coincidence, or was this a result of a spy at SR who was outraged at what I said? Or is there a government stooge on this list [probably]? How interesting. this almost VERIFIES what Dale Pond said about spies at SR. Maybe even their principals don't know, or maybe this is their defense against freedom loving competition. So, was this nasty note from BB a coincidence, or a result of my posting here? You can make up your own mind. Well, I have this message for the imbicilic government stooge and lacky who sent me an email: WE ARE NOT INTIMIDATED BY YOU. Get a life, bother someone in your jurisdiction who cares what you think! I will use my freedom of speech to say whatever I please regardless of what you or other jerks like you think! John -It's FINALLY HERE!-- The financial resource you've been waiting for! Internet based OFFSHORE BANKING that gives you high rates of interest [up to 15%/yr.] and the flexibility to pay bills through the net and send and receive money through the net. Debit cards also available! Much more! Find details at http://www.offshorearnings.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] The offer still stands (sincerely!)
Craig, Actually, thank you for your reply. I hope I did not appear "harsh" or "conceited" as I do appreciate your offering suggestions. Sometimes I reply a "little to quickly" and my replies are often mistaken for criticisms or insult. To the contrary, I just enjoy engaging in a good debate! You are sooo right about things not working in their current state. I personally have been hit for close to $18 K in bad checks (not counting the ones I never even bothered to deposit) this MONTH alone. These were from people in the US, all the details panned out (banks verified funds available, addresses, so on) but they turned out to be counterfeits of legitimates. My point being for every method we come up with to verify a payment or endorser, scammers then sidestep and move on. It is currently impossible to know all of our endorsers. We must rely on "fresh blood" coming into the system to grow the Gold Economy. If you think about it, I believe there are currently less than 100,000 funded active e-gold accounts. That is a drop in the bucket compared to the global economy with fiat currency, yes? Now, the trick is to convert the rest of "old economy" (fiat users) into converting into the Gold Economy (bullion users). To do so, we must accept their currency (checks, money orders, credit cards, etc.) to issue them gold currency. Since no one has a method to verify these masses in a *cost effective* manner, we have to engage in a huge amount of trust/risk. Identification verification scares off a certain amount of scammers. Therefore, less risk. Less risk then equals improved efficiency in converting to the Gold Economy. Improved efficiency then means a faster growing Gold Economy with a better *trust model* as the Gold Economy payments are non-reputable.You then do not need to know your endorser as there payments are ALWAYS good or they cannot pay. We must find a way to build that trust at the start instead of waiting until the end. Does that make sense? And yes, your right, it does not appear anyone is working on solving that at the moment. I personally am too busy with the currency conversion. Therefore, I rely on ID verification (again, mostly just to scare off the undesirables) until something else comes along. Let me say that I appreciate your sarcasm and the "put up or shut up" offer. And it is likely deserved; especially from the point of view of someone "in the trenches". Again, I did not mean to be so blunt, but yes, I am in the trenches and my enemies (hackers, thieves, counterfeiters, etc.) are a massive force to fight in such a battle. It is not unlike WW II. The Allies tried to rely on the "gentleman's war" tactics: bullets, tanks, bombs, grenades and sheer numbers. Axis powers used mustard gas, ethnogenocide, starvation. We Market Makers (I like to think) try to uphold certain principals and values while still engaging in this war. Our opposing forces just meet those tactics with something more brutal at every turn. It seems something of an "atom bomb" type influence will be needed to rid us of these types (scammers, thieves, counterfeiters) once and for all. Problem with that? Symbolically the atom bomb was the opening of the Cold War. See where I am going with this? Technology that is so powerful usually becomes destructive by the sheer nature of the fear it then instills in the side without the technology which then races to create something of equal or more strength. If we create a method to verify all endorsers *cost effectively* and quickly, that means we can id someone, anyone, anywhere, rather quickly. Imagine the fear such technology would spread. Look at all the postings on this list ALONE from people who fear giving out their SS #. Such technology would ultimately lead someone to create opposing technology for those who DO NOT want to be able to be identified so easily. I guess what is needed is the best of both worlds. A method to verify someone is "trustworthy" when making payment without needing to know *who they are* in a sense. The e-gold system does that partially. A payment can only be made if it is backed by the appropriate gold stores. However, e-gold is now rampant with thieves, counterfeiters, and hackers who have obtained their gold stores illegally. The trust is then gone. Sure the payment is "good" at the moment, but it ultimately cost someone (Market Makers, GSR, fellow e-gold users) a great deal because the gold was stolen from them. Back to square one, yes? Please consider my offer in your spare time. I am always looking for a better, faster, cheaper way to work. If you have some thoughts, please share. If they work, I will share the returns with you. Together we can make this a better system I am confident of that. Have a great New Years, Craig, and I wish you health and fortune in the very near future! With Great Respect, Eric - Original Message - From: Craig
[e-gold-list] Re: The offer still stands (sincerely!)
Dale, Yes, you are correct about this (more than you probably know!): Seems the market makers, by accepting checks and credit cards, are open to fraud and scammers by the very nature of checks and credit cards. Why accept them at all? I admit this allows for quicker growth of the number of gold accounts and convenience for customers but such a practice opens up to "low life" types. However, as the "portal" from the *Old Economy* to the Gold Economy, Market Makers have to accept the traditional methods of payment to operate. (Some refer to us as a "currency conversion service") Believe it or not, MANY people out there still do not maintain a regular checking or savings account due to their financial status or educational back ground. Some simply still fear banks and financial institutions as a result of the American Depression when banks collapsed along with their investors monies. Why not accept only bank wire and Western Union transfers? We are always streamlining our payment options. Did you know that money orders and postal orders can be counterfeited? Checks can be reversed up to 30 days (in some cases) later? Credit cards can be "charged back" months down the road? Bank wires ca be reversed for up to 24 hours? Even cold hard cash can be counterfeited. (And W/U is SOOO expensive it is not cost effective, not to mention they do not like people using it for e-gold transactions!) So, as we know it, there is no *safe* payment method for the Old Economy payments yet. Again, that is the brilliance of e-gold. But, converting to e-gold safely is the hard part. Optionally I could have these wired directly to an e-gold based debit card account if such a thing were properly available and affordable. We are all waiting with baited breath for this to be reality. If you catch wind of it happening, please let me know! Have a great new year's celebration! Eric - Original Message - From: Dale Pond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 2:07 PM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: The offer still stands (sincerely!) "Eric Gaither, Gaithman's E-Gold Exchange" wrote: You are sooo right about things not working in their current state. I personally have been hit for close to $18 K in bad checks (not counting the ones I never even bothered to deposit) this MONTH alone. These were from people in the US, all the details panned out (banks verified funds available, addresses, so on) but they turned out to be counterfeits of legitimates. Now, the trick is to convert the rest of "old economy" (fiat users) into converting into the Gold Economy (bullion users). To do so, we must accept their currency (checks, money orders, credit cards, etc.) to issue them gold currency. If we create a method to verify all endorsers *cost effectively* and quickly, that means we can id someone, anyone, anywhere, rather quickly. Imagine the fear such technology would spread. Look at all the postings on this list ALONE from people who fear giving out their SS #. Such technology would ultimately lead someone to create opposing technology for those who DO NOT want to be able to be identified so easily. I guess what is needed is the best of both worlds. A method to verify someone is "trustworthy" when making payment without needing to know *who they are* in a sense. I am always looking for a better, faster, cheaper way to work. If you have some thoughts, please share. If they work, I will share the returns with you. Hi Eric, This discussion is very positive bringing out a lot of hithertofore unknown details at least to me. Seems the market makers, by accepting checks and credit cards, are open to fraud and scammers by the very nature of checks and credit cards. Why accept them at all? I admit this allows for quicker growth of the number of gold accounts and convenience for customers but such a practice opens up to "low life" types. Why not accept only bank wire and Western Union transfers? These are all paid for before remitting so we are back to an asset based and verified currency. This one tactic would eliminate a broad array of risk. I can transfer funds from my bank to any other bank with a single phone call. That's not too inconvenient for me to do. I realize some would like to eliminate banks and the FED involvement as soon as possible. I agree. But until there is a viable and global alternative we must use what we have at hand. In fact the sales from my internet online catalog are wired directly to my bank from another bank. Optionally I could have these wired directly to an e-gold based debit card account if such a thing were properly available and affordable. -- Regards, Dale Pond Delta Spectrum Research http://www.SVPvril.com Sympathe
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold
Sidd, I agree with you on the fact it was copied and pasted. I did not mean to imply it was written specifically for E-biz ventures. Reid, I am sorry if that was misconstrued. What I meant was the volume of spends being done to E-biz on a nightly basis caused many a technical problem for e-gold and its servers. The fact that e-biz was shut down (again!) and that e-gold is down today leads me to believe there may have been a connection between the two as far as an accounting or data round up by a governmental agency.( I am probably wrong, but can anyone tell us the facts?) I hope I am wrong. So, to prove my sincerity on that, I offer the same challenge I offer ALL THE TIME: Attention Reid Jackson: PLEASE post a notice on the E-gold website at ALL times when the system is down (or expected to be down) with an explanation. This will prevent speculation, rumor spreading, and general distrust from spreading like wildfire in these situations. Or, did I miss the public posting e-gold would be down today? Or, did I miss the current explanation posted somewhere as to why it is down? I have been rather busy today, so perhaps I overlooked that. The small red "Recent Outages" link on the front page still does not "do the trick". Can I prove that statement? Can I back up my challenge for this thought? You bet! e-biz is shut down and the e-gold site is down. I wonder if the two are related? Sounds like someone does not know. If HE doesn't know, and poses these kinds of questions on the discussion lists. I can only imagine the rumors that are spreading NOW! By the way, Destiny Worldwide and those tired of Elwyn Jenkin's postings, although you are sick of SR's postings on this list at least they have the courtesy to keep the general public informed. (hint, hint) This is why I feel it is such a disappointment that outside of Jim Ray, GSR and E-gold are strangely silent on discussion lists that are for the sole purpose of promoting e-gold and its uses! Would this not be a great place for Reid Jackson (or anyone at GSR) to say: Attention e-gold users! We are experiencing a technical difficulty. Do not be alarmed. The Market Makers are not hording your funds. We expect to be operational again in. Just some food for thought. Eric - Original Message - From: Sidd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 5:44 PM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: e-gold Eric Wrote: Did you ever see the public apology Reid Jackson posted on the e-biz site? Oops! Eric, that public apology was addressed to the e-gold list, and was merely COPIED by the operators of e-biz to their site. The apology did not in ANY way refer to e-biz at all, it was a GENERAL APOLOGY to ALL e-gold users... Amazing how easy it is to lead people astray... Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: SR Identity
Jim., Frankly,, lets call a spade a spade,, the only reason we require any kind of ID or verification is simply incase your payment goes wrong -- then we have some means of finding you and extracting the payment for the bullion you received (on your word that your payment was good). You may not hear this, but I am giving you a standing ovation as this is precisely what I have been blabbering (but not quite so eloquently parlaying) about. I do not care WHO someone IS, or WHERE they are FROM, all I want to know is WHERE can I find the person if they try to scam my company. People who do not accept fiat monies for conversion to gold do not seem to understand this. (By the way, can I borrow that spade to pay a visit to a few mutual *friends* we both know in a quaint little California town??? I promise to wash it off when I am finished with it!) ;0) If people were honest about the payments that they sent, I would not care if they sent it to me from California's State Penitentiary because it would be a GOOD payment. The ONLY reason we need to id people is because of the rampant fraud going on out there. I will stop clapping now! Eric - Original Message - From: Goldfinger Coin and Bullion Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 5:45 PM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: SR Identity Fact is, any method of payment to an MM (besides cash in hand) leaves a trail back to the payer. Even an "anonymous" reputation system that allowed me to accept a CC or cheque from someone without knowing his identity, would result in the banking transactions revealing his identity to me, so there would be really no point in using the "anonymous" system in the first place! Thus, unless the buyer was using cash to pay me, it would be pointless to use an "anonymous" reputation system, and if he was using cash to pay me... I wouldn't need to know his reputation anyway! Regards, Sidd. Precisely, Gold has always been a bearer instrument, and should stay that way -- what this whole discussion boils down to is this: I really do not care who you are (and have no desire to find out),, so long as you pay for the gold with Cash -- either FRN's or Bank Wire. It's real simple -- If you want to retain anonymity -- then do not request to settle with anything else but Cash, period. Then the exchange provider doesn't have to worry about tracking you down if the payment goes bad,, because the payment will not go bad. Now,, once we have established a business relationship and completed some trades without problems,, then we have some mutual trust built up between us and we both may feel comfortable with alternative means of settlement. Regards, --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold
Reid, Your alive! Oh, I am so happy to know your reading these discussion lists! Now, can you please answer the $65 K dollar question of the day: What is the reason the e-gold website is down and how soon are you projecting it to be back up? My phone has been ringing off the hook (as it always does) when the e-gold website goes down. People ALWAYS think that we *independent* Market Makers are in control of the e-gold website. I spend hours explaining that is not the case. E-gold and GSR are separate companies and THEY control the e-gold website. Actually, perhaps *you* are excessively trusting. I've never posted anything, let alone an apology, to the e-biz site. By the way, interestingly enough, your public apology WAS pasted on the e-biz website for quite sometime. Seeing that e-biz was handling such volume of e-gold, it did appear you wrote that for them. Sounds like you did not. Did you ever ask them to remove it from their site? Or, do you ever review sites? I imagine your a busy guy so maybe not. But, with a title like yours, I would be judicious in my letting people post my words on a public site. Based on the number of page views your apology got from the e-biz site, many a person (myself included initially) thought YOU did do just that. Perhaps *you* could share the truth and enlighten us, yes? What is up with the e-gold website down time? Any expectations for it going back up today? Thanks, Reid! Eric - Original Message - From: Reid Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 6:35 PM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: e-gold Eric Gaither said on Saturday, December 30, 2000 7:34 PM: How trusting you must be in this inter-related world. Yes, there is a good chance the two are not related, however, due to the volume of money e-biz had in e-gold, my thoughts steer to the relation. Did you ever see the public apology Reid Jackson posted on the e-biz site? Actually, perhaps *you* are excessively trusting. I've never posted anything, let alone an apology, to the e-biz site. I *did* post to this list on November 28, 2000 regarding recent e-gold web site performance problems. A similar document was published on the e-gold website and linked to from the e-gold homepage. The version posted to e-gold-list can be located via its web interface: http://www.e-gold.com/unsecure/lists.html Also available in this public archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/e-gold-list@talk.e-gold.com/msg00867.html Somebody apparently posted the text of this document to the e-biz site, judging by the unsolicted e-mail I've received from e-biz customers. If this somebody also modified these words or attempted to make it appear that I posted to the e-biz site, that would not speak well for their character. If somebody knows whether or not this is the case, I suppose I'd be mildly curious. - Reid - --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Standard Reserve and Privacy
George, Please let me be one of the first SR Agents and e-gold Market Makers to publicly thank you for your efforts: Ours is not an anonymous service, never has been, and was never touted as such. Rather, we actually verify that the applicant is who they say they are. We owe that to our agents who take the risk. We need to verify that you are who you say you are. On this list there have been many reports of fraud, rip offs, etc. Ask any of the market makers about the issues with fraud. We are trying to avoid that. I am quite sure I will not be the last. What many individuals who are concerned about privacy do not understand is that the current e-gold system is ripe with abuse. (Sniff..sniff...can't you smell that?) Anonymous services are great and have many wonderful uses, but open up those of us who act as portals into the system to the targeting eyes of thieves, scoundrels and counterfeiters. I do not think it is anyone's business HOW someone spends his or her money. However, as an SR agent and e-gold Market Maker, it IS my business if the payment someone is sending to me to obtain these currencies is legitimate. We have seen a dramatic increase in the use of stolen credit cards, counterfeit checks, bogus money orders, so on and so on! The only way for our company to accept these forms of payment and fund accounts is to know that the person sending the payment is the person they claim to be. John makes several good arguments about BB and the use of SS #'s. I personally am VERY skeptical about giving mine over the Internet no matter WHO is asking and HOW secure they claim to be. I prefer to mail it by snail mail. Is there a chance that a drivers license and/or SS card can be photocopied and notarized as proof of identity? This may ease some of the privacy buffs concerns about hackers hitting the SR on-line databases. To those of you out there that do not want ANYONE to know who you are or HOW you spend you money, I ask you what faith does someone in my line of work have in accepting a payment from you? You have to obtain your e-gold and SR-AUG and SR-USD somewhere with fiat currency. Unless you send cash via mail (which is NOT recommended) certain trust must be demonstrated. Proving to me you are who you claim to be is the basic foundation of any client/service relationship I see as mutually beneficial. This is done by being verified by Standard Reserve's system. Lastly, if you STILL desire to remain 100% anonymous, might I suggest my secret "Invisible Man Formula"? Guaranteed to turn you invisible! No one will know who you are, where you are from, or how you spend your finances. Just send me, oh, $25 K in an unmarked envelope with no information inside in small USD, non-sequential bills. It will work...trust me:0) As always, these are just my opinions and not meant to become part of any routine medical treatment, diet and exercise plan, or for children under the age of 21 years of age. Some assembly required. Batteries not included. Gaithman's Invisible Products: www.nosuchplaceonearth.com Happy New Year! Eric - Original Message - From: George Matyjewicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 1:59 PM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Standard Reserve and Privacy At 01:06 PM 12/29/2000 -0600, Destiny Worldwide wrote: I have noted several things about Standard Reserve, all of which I do not like. We were going to use Standeard Reserve and even introduce clients to it, but it is obvious that Standard reserve intends to play by the rules of Big Brother, something that we abhor: 1. SR is not really opening up to international clients, and you can tell this from their application form. I checked that I was from Costa Rica and therefore did not fill in an SSN as per directions,b ut their system bounced the application for that reason, so I typed in 999-99-. That worked. Standard rEserve needs to learn that it is ILLEGAL to demand a SSN frm soneone, and that the provision of an SSN is 100% voluntary, and they need to make provision for this. By acting like the BB banks, they are showing that they are not part of the freedom movement, but a part of the system most egold users are trying to get themselves out of. Also, SR says that they are doing this to apeal to a larger market. Well, in actuality, the future is AWAY form BB. As the internet grows in power and net currencies based offshore, along with offshore services such as ours, WE will someday become the mainstream, not the other way around. Locating themselves onshore and spending a ton of money to comply with ridiculous US government regulations that force them to SPY on their customers liek the banks is surely the wrong thing to do. It woudl have been better if they had gone in the direction of Goldmoney and located themselves safely OFFSHORE. Even egold eventually
[e-gold-list] Indentity Theft vs. Anonymous services
Loryn, But we do hope that most financial criminals will avoid doing business with us.] This is the least we can do for our Agents. For it is our Agents who absorb the risk that enables all of us to move from non-trusted, non-trustable, always-reversible transactions systems to a non-reversible transaction system. Well said! Yes, we agents appreciate the fact you are aware of the risk we are taking. Agents are the portals that allow customers into the Gold Economy. The drawback is that we also make wonderful targets for those you mention: Identity theft is as morally abhorrent as privacy abuse. Credit card fraud studies clearly show a correspondence between identity theft and financial criminal activity. (People who steal others' identities usually have no compunction stealing and scamming other things.) I think MOST of the privacy buffs fear the SS # requirement solely for one main reason: they want this Gold Economy to remain tax free. In the US, using a SS # means that at the end of the year Big Brother will know what you did with your money. If we can overcome that stigma by utilizing the alternate forms of identity verification, we may all be on to something bigger that most of us have conceptualized even to this point. Then again, hats off to the *old days* (before my time!) when a handshake meant your word, and your word meant *something*! Perhaps those days will return someday, until they do, I prefer to know the man/woman on the other end of that reputable payment that arrives in my office mailbox. By the way, my apologies for not getting back to you this afternoon. I was just walking out the door and in the midst of a conversation with a fellow Market Maker. Ironically, he was inquiring how to obtain a court order to hold account values. He had just been scammed by five individuals utilizing PayPal. So much for trusting those you do not know (People who steal others' identities usually have no compunction stealing and scamming other things.) You said it best, Loryn! Feel free to call me if you are still working or have some free time. You have my cell phone number. Eric Gaither - Original Message - From: Loryn E. Jenkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 4:18 PM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Comments on egold sale Destiny Worldwide, and all others interested in doing business with Standard Reserve. Our application form currently demands a SSN because the US-based identity verification service requires it. We use this service because it quickly and cost effectively ascertains the consistency of the identity details. This process quickly tells us the low-risk applications, which we then approve automatically. This process also quickly assists us in identifying suspicious applications. Several applicants have already attempted to use other people's identities. You may be pleased to know that, just last night, an Individual Sovereign opened an account with us. The process was slower, slightly more cumbersome, and certainly more expensive for Standard Reserve ... but we will not turn away any paying customer with whom we can establish a relatively "trusted" relationship. If anyone wishes to do business with Standard Reserve but have serious concerns with sending their SSN to us, please email us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] You will find that the people operating Standard Reserve are somewhat more flexible than our IT bsystem. And, may I add, Standard Reserve management have already begun exploring some *options* for US-based customers who do not wish to divulge their SSN. We have begun discussing the optional use of other notirized forms of identity verification. I can't guarantee when we will implement a more flexible application form, as we still have quite a bit of work to do on our system in order to bring you all the capabilities we dream of providing you, but we will deal with this in due course. People: Destiny Worldwide calls for a return to old-fashioned values of trust; the personnel of Standard Reserve support such a call. We want each of our customers to begin establishing 'trust' with us by revealing who they are. [We're not hung up on obtaining your SSN ... (email us for other means of signing up!) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Money Withheld Without Explanation
Sam,
I am sorry to hear of your experience with Omni-Pay. Due to their size,
they are experiencing "growing pains" with their Customer Service approach.
I would like to recommend that you consider trying one of the recognized
Market Maker services listed on the e-gold directory page. Take a close
look at Git-gold.com, GoldDirectory, GoldNow, GoldToday, GoldFinger Coin and
Bullion, just to name a few.
My service, Gaithman's Gold Exchange, Inc., is one of the recognized
Market Makers as well. We provide complete Inexchange and Outexchange
services with superior "count-on-ability". In fact, our goal is to provide
Exceptional Customer Service "every click of the way" to our clients.
Shop around and ask your friends and colleagues about the individual
Market Maker services. I am confident you will find one that can suit your
needs.
Regardless of your decision, I wish you and yours a wonderful holiday!
Respectfully,
Eric Gaither, President
Gaithman's Gold Exchange, Inc.
http://businesses.msn.com/GEGE/
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From: Privacy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 12:24 PM
Subject: [e-gold-list] Money Withheld Without Explanation
To date, I have two checks ordered to vendors that have not arrived
after 10 days.
I have called Omni-Pay several times, and there is always "no one
available" to take my call, and the message space on their voice
mail is too short to describe the problem without having them call
to query me about my problem, thus adding to the time for resolution,
a delaying tactic I suppose.
This is my first experience with a service failure from Omni-Pay. Given
that I other checks in the pipeline with Omni-Pay it may very well be
my last.
The primary purpose in using both E-gold and Omni-Pay is their
"count-on-ability" which Omni-Pay no longer has with me.
There is no indication that my account has been frozen, nor any
indication of any other problem with the account, only a failure to
keep their service agreement.
Sam
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[e-gold-list] Re: Potential Markets for e-gold [was: Glencannon's wrong, IMO
George, Try it. You are on the ground floor of the Empire State Building and who gets on the elevator with you going (alone - just the two of you) to the 62nd floor, but that person you have been trying to sell on the concept of gold. What are you going to say? What you do for a living? Here's your opportunity to give your "elevator speech" a/k/a/ a 90 second commercial. It depends on who it is. First if it is a wonderfully intelligent and attractive woman who has a great personality AND happens to be wearing something of a Calvin Klein design, first I am going to ask her if she is interested in having this imaginary conversation on the roof of the building, on a little blanket, over some champagne and strawberries (I, of course, would be properly prepared for this and just happen to have a bottle of Moet on hand already chilled!) . Then, I would start off with something clever, something unique, something along the lines of: "Those gems you have for eyes are breathtaking, but can you pay your phone bill with them? No? Well, allow me to enlighten you with the facts about a precious metal you CAN utilize for all of your global financial affairs. Speaking of affairs" ;0) However, if I am stuck in this tiny silver box-like coffin with no possible signs of a fresh oxygen supply or moist alcohol baby wipe (hey, who knows where HIS hands have been!) and my fellow passenger is a sweaty, doughty crumb covered, nicotine stained fingers, coffee breath, hair plug totin', cheap tie wearing used car salesman, I will politely introduce myself as I bend down to (un)tie my shoe. (Notice that move?!?! Try that one for yourselves in any "I REALLY don't want to shake hands with this person" scenario. Works like a charm!) Now that the small talk has been initiated, I would ask my new friend "Finance Freddie" (we will call him "Finance Freddie" or "FF" for simplicity sakes!) how he makes a living? "Previously Owned Vehicle Outlet Specialist? You don't say?"--Me (No one uses the term "used cars" any more!) I will steer the conversation towards how his dealership seeks payment for cars at any one of their ten locations, five of which happen to be overseas I learn. I would then inform of the following facts: "You know, FF, you could do yourself a big favor by considering the acceptance of e-gold for payment from your victims, uh, I mean used car customers. E-gold would eliminate your need to adjust prices in each of your different locations based on local currency. No more converting to Francs, or Pounds, or Yen. Everything would be priced in e-gold and customers from all over the globe would see the same price, no matter what their currency is. They can even check it against their currency on the e-gold website! No more bad checks, forget about credit histories, and no more hassles with a credit card merchant provider contract. E-gold payments are fast and FINAL. The client has to have the e-gold in his account in order to make the payment. I bet you are tired of taking in all those NSF checks and paying all those bank fees for bounced checks, right?" This would also simplify your cash management problems as you could have each dealership in the various countries deposit the funds into their Standard Reserve Net Anywhere account. These funds can then be accessed by your bean counters (ooops! Certified Public Accountants) at the days end by atm machine using the SR debit card. You could in turn send payments to your dealerships via e-gold to buy more cars for your lots, pay your suppliers for parts, and even pay your employees in e-gold so you do not have to worry about the hassles of writing paychecks. No more "my wife washed my pants with my check in it. Can you write me another?" situations. Complete history of Accounts Receivables vs Account Payables would be as easy as clicking your account history. ** By this time, I would be growing nauseas from idea of this never ending cable car ride from Hades continuing on, but, I would evoke the powers given to me by city of Gotham's Halls of Justice as a little boy and transform into marine mammal capable of serving without breathing fresh oxygen! I would hammer poor FF with the facts and figures about e-gold and SR gold. I would pull out my web enabled cell phone and spend a sample payment to building's elevator operator (and quietly e-mail him to please speed this elevator up!) The ability to spend money to anyone, anywhere, at anytime would be included in my rant. By now having convinced FF of my point, I would slide him a business card complete with my e-gold cid number on it. As the doors of my temporary prison cell slide open, I would thank FF as I juggle that cell phone and my car keys and slip out the door knowing I had made a new client and will be receiving "progeny" incentive payments on a regular basis. And that my friends, would be all she wrote! (Or in this
[e-gold-list] RE: why?
Bob, Thanks. Can you pull a few of these out of my back for me?? Ha! Take care, Bob, Happy Holidays to you! Eric - Original Message - From: Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Eric Gaither, Gaithman's E-Gold Exchange [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 4:13 AM Subject: Re: [e-gold-list] RE: why? Eric Gaither, Gaithman's E-Gold Exchange wrote: big snip "Of course, that is just my opinion, folks, I could be wrong! I want to know what you think America..."---Dennis Miller Just a few thoughts. Eric Well put Eric. "You can tell the pioneers. They're the ones with the arrows in their backs" - unknown Bob -- http://www.bearerinstruments.com http://www.bearerinstruments.com/assets/BIMDsPGPkey.txt 650C 51DA 734F 697F 5706 3D6A 7712 BCC9 D1AE 00BA --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: why?
Craig and Everyone, GSR has positioned themselves so that they do not act as judge and jury on accusations of fraud and the gold sitting in the questionable account does NOT belong to GSR. They're out. If you were GSR, would you trust another wire from an operation that recently left you short $150,000? Sincerely, Craig Maybe I am sticking my nose in here, but, as far as trusting an operation that left someone $150,000 short, it was my understanding that those funds never left the e-gold system. (aka OutExchanged) By the way, what do you mean "They're out"??? Did the funds leave the e-gold system? Were they outexchanged somehow? Doesn't GSR have the ability to track where the funds were spent? IF they were outexchanged, they know who outexchanged them, right? Mr. Moore was just as much a victim of this scam as were the banks that honored the checks, the banks that released the funds, and GSR. Mr. Moore did not write these checks, he just accepted them for deposit. How long was it before he was notified about the checks being bad? Was it not something over 15 days? This is not unlike the methods PayPal uses to accuse Market Makers of accepting fraudulent funds from someone who uses a bogus credit card to fund their PayPal account, then by e-gold. My point? Well, it seems to me that the Market Makers are the individuals who are tasked with bringing in the "fresh faces" to the e-gold system and Gold Economy. How so? Market Makers are the services that allow outsiders to change their currency to e-gold and become a "player" so to speak. Without new users, how long would e-gold last? IF there are only less than 100 K active accounts, could it last without adding new funds to the economy? Since GSR are increasing their InExchange requirements, this in effect, distances them from reputable forms of payment. (Smart move!) As you know, no matter what policy you have in place, no matter how careful your company, we are ALL victim to scams from time to time. We, the Market Makers, simply do not have the ability to be protected with a wall of payment processors as GSR is putting into place in the form of Market Makers. GSR obviously knows the cost of accepting direct payment from its clients---fraud and bank fees. IS there really another reason this "pie" is so quickly shared? (Meaning? Why else do they offer Market Makers a chance to make a profit off of something that they could do themselves?) Now, I am not shirking responsibility here, I am just stating that it appears to me that Mr. Moore followed the rules of the game. He deposited the checks. He waited until his bank cleared those checks. He even waited a few more days THEN released the funds to the scumbag's e-gold account. It was the banks that then took those funds back from GSR, not Mr. Moore. (Or, did I get this story all wrong? Did Mike actually take the funds back from GSR? If so, how in the world did he pull that off? Mike, if you DID do that, can I give you a list of...just kidding!) It was my understanding that Mike was then accused of having been a co-conspirator to this whole scam. (Remember, this all took place during the IR Summit in October. Mr. Moore generously financed a banquet with Mr. Kelly for the event even though he DID NOT ATTEND! Pretty brazen if he was attempting to scam GSR, wouldn't you say?) Why do people think that someone who has been working like hell to promote e-gold and bring users into the system daily would suddenly be out to steal from the hand that feeds them? $150,000 may seem like a large amount, but how long will that get you by in today's world? Why would someone risk jail time, a successful company, continued profit, and possible future endeavors for a one time payout? Would you give up your business for a one time score of $150 K? I wouldn't, that money would only last a year or two. I would rather earn a legitimate living and play be the rules. I am quite sure Mr. Moore feels the same. So, where is my little diatribe leading? It amazes me that as soon as something happens and a Market Maker is hit by a scam, he suddenly finds himself having fingers pointed at him. Craig, if I remember correctly, didn't PayPal shut your account down for a few weeks for one reason or another? Does that mean that GSR should not trust you anymore? OR your clients should not trust you because a company took action against you that was beyond your control? (or even comprehension?) How does that relate? Another entity took action against other peoples' funds that happened to involve your company, yes? This is what happened with Goldtoday, no? A bank reversed a wire (or took the funds back somehow) because he accepted a bad check and released funds AFTER it cleared. Should this not have been the banks fault that honored the check? Shouldn't they have taken the loss on that? I agree with everyone that an arbitration body is needed to hold funds when a
[e-gold-list] RE: Update on your Standard Reserve Instant Anywhere Account
Hello All! Wow...Sidd, you are a man of many critiques! I would like to say that I am impressed by the response you posted on this list detailing all the flaws with the Standard Reserve system. You appear to have found numerous glitches in their *new* system. As a Market Maker, I want to know that I am working with the *best* available software and systems. Deduct one point from SR. Now, what has TRULY amazed me (anyone else feel this way?) was that Standard Reserve appears to pay attention to what its critics are saying and even has the time to respond! Loryn Jenkins gets my vote hands down for responsiveness to client needs! Add ten point for SR! It appears to me that what everyone wants (or at least those who care enough to be vocal on these lists!) is a company that has a *quality* product AS WELL AS the customer support to back it up. Truthfully, the programming is a little over my head, but I can't remember the last time a few of the other companies (who shall remain nameless!) took the time to respond to their critics in such a fashion. Loryn Jenkins...I applaud you for your approach and your responsiveness! Looks like the "dawn of a new day" is just about to take place! Anyone else tired of the void we have been enveloped in for far too long? Thanks for listening! Eric - Original Message - From: Elwyn Jenkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 9:48 PM Subject: [e-gold-list] RE: Update on your Standard Reserve Instant Anywhere Account Sidd, and everyone else who wants a better Standard Reserve, You are absolutely correct with every one of your criticisms ... far more than you know. Standard Reserve is a startup company in search of first round funding. We currently have extremely limited technical resources, but huge, huge plans. I am proud of what Standard Reserve has accomplished in the last three months. We have: * designed a corporate structure that protects the assets of account holders, even if Standard Reserve goes broke, * achieved the approval from banking partners and Federal US Banking Regulators for an international debit card issuing program (PayPal, with all their money, have not yet achieved this!), * implemented the interaction between Standard Reserve and the debit card processor * bartered for a ten-seat, 16-hour per day phone-based help desk, * provide email-based customer service 18 to 20 hours per day, * revamped an existing on-line accounting system, * are in the process of building an attractive affiliates program (just a few more weeks yet), * implemented a certification program for Agents (aka Market Makers) to raise the level of professionalism, * are implementing an Agent-in-the-box product to assist current and would-be Agents to smoothly and automatically operate their business, * launched the Gold Economy Magazine to spear-head the promotion of the gold economy. Our focus *is* on developing a far better user experience than is currently available in the gold economy. So you can guess that I certainly am not pleased with the current engineering of our web site. I am desperately unhappy that Netscape users effectively cannot use our system. (We're releasing an updated site next week that will work across all major browsers.) And I am certainly not pleased with our user interface. The next few months will see us re-engineering the key problem areas as quickly as we can. Like you, I am not pleased to release software whose quality is below par. Unfortunately, investors care nothing for software quality. They care for an operating, functioning business. I would always like to work out software problems carefully prior to releasing a system or company. Our financial situation demanded that we enter the market place ASAP. We've did it. And we're scrambling. I apologise to everyone for the software quality. But if you have a problem, let us know: you'll find us *responsive*. Sidd, I would like to respond to some specific points you made. And in each of them your comment is absolutely correct. User interface issues: -- (1) No unit of measure on "Add Funds" feature. We'll certainly modify this within the week. Mark my words. (2) Cannot choose between grams and dollars. Standard Reserve believe that it is in the long-term best interests of the gold economy for people to begin thinking of values in terms of gold. For far too long, people using e-gold have been talking about "spending me dollars worth of gold." "Dollars worth of gold" depreciates the notion of gold, and makes it of less import than one's national currency. To foster this world-view, we made a decision a few months ago, to remove the "x currency worth of" features from our spend forms. In our system, you get to spend in dollars, or you spend in gold. It isn't particularly friendly for most people:
[e-gold-list] RE: How's the speed of Omni Pay been with getting $ via wire or checks?
Jeff,
May I suggest you consider Gaithman's Gold Exchange, Inc? We offer a
complete gold exchange service site and can OutExchange your e-gold for you
the same business day with a wire initiated to your checking or savings
account. We charge a $1.00 USD per $100 e-gold you wish to "cash out" but
we PAY for the wire fee out of our commission if you are in the
USA.International wires range from $20 USD to $35 USD depending on location
of receiving bank.
We also strive to provide "exceptional customer service every click of
the way" to our clients. If you are interested, please review our website
for more information:
http://businesses.msn.com/GEGE/
Please look at the page titled "To Sell Your Gold". IF you have any
questions, please let us know.
Respectfully,
Eric Gaither, President
Gaithman's Gold Exchange.Inc.
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- Original Message -
From: Sidd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 3:59 AM
Subject: [e-gold-list] RE: How's the speed of Omni Pay been with getting $
via wire or checks?
Hi Jeff,
I would strongly suggest you use one of the approved Market maker to
convert your e-gold to cash and you should have no problems getting
your cash within a day or so.
Cheers,
Sidd.
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jeffrey
Rocke
Sent: Thursday, 7 December 2000 15:31
To: e-gold Discussion
Subject: [e-gold-list] How's the speed of Omni Pay been with getting $
via wire or checks?
I was wondering if anyone could reply to this post simply to let me
know
how the service has been with getting their money out of their e-gold
accounts using Omni Pay? I have some money coming in at mid month
that
will be for Christmas and I need to make sure I can get it relatively
fast.
Please help.
Thanks,
Jeff
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[e-gold-list] Re: gitgold.net - SCAM
Mr. Moore, I would like to second what you so eloquently verbalized: The "piker" who is harassing the Andersons is but mere lint on this earth's large dryer screen. He should be rolled between a large pair of fingers and flicked into the nearest waste basket. As a Market Maker and competitor of the Andersons at GitGold.com, I would like for it to be known I have known the Anderson's for a few months now. I find them to be genuine (and generous) professionals. I have complete faith in their service and manners. The poor excuse for a scammer website is full of holes, inconsistencies, grammatical errors, and complete bad taste. I will vouch for the Andersons and their service. If anyone would like a character reference, there are many of us who will vouch for them. If I may be of assistance, Dave and Jane, please feel free to contact me. With Great Respect, Eric Gaither, President Gaithman's Gold Exchange, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (317) 782-1945 Voice - Original Message - From: Michael Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 11:57 PM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: gitgold.net - SCAM Jim, gitgold.net and gitgold.org are a scam by a ignorant small time piker. gitgold.com is the bona fide site run by the very fine and upstanding Andersons and has nothing to do with the small time piker who porports to run gitgold net or org. Kind regards, Michael Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gold-today.com Sign up with e-gold today and get grams of e-gold here. https://www.e-gold.com/newacct/newaccount.asp?cid=129542 - Original Message - From: "Jim Peta" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "e-gold Discussion" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 3:48 AM Subject: [e-gold-list] gitgold.net - SCAM The first thing - I wanted to transfer funds via PayPal. I entered all gitgold.net's e-mail addresses and received the following message: "This recipient is not yet registered or verified. He or she will receive the money or money request after opening an account with this email address." Then I wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and received the following message: "You can send the money at [EMAIL PROTECTED] the account will be registered after your transaction. This is a new service." But before submitting this message, I decided to e-mail my credit card information to fund my e-gold account. I received the following message: "Your credit cards is invalid. Please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you have a problem with this transaction." But my card is fully functional I know it EXACTLY! Of course, I did a very foolish step so I will have to get a new card in the bank. Then I wrote: "I just read some messages about your service on the e-gold list. They are not the best opinion about you. I hope you are not fraudulent. So I am still waiting for my account to be funded. Are you going to fund it? Or should I perform legal actions?" And received the following crap: "Listen Hass Hole Fuck You Have a great day. David Anderson gitgold.net gitgold.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]" --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Cheap and easy way to put money into egold
John, I would like to also recommend www.Gold-Today.com as a good source for getting into e-gold. 9.5% is a good rate for Inexchanges. Good service and great staff! Eric Gaither Gaithman's Gold Exchange, Inc. - Original Message - From: Michael Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 11:58 PM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Cheap and easy way to put money into egold I recommend www.gold-today.com 9.5% less for larger amounts Kind regards, Michael Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gold-today.com Sign up with e-gold today and get grams of e-gold here. https://www.e-gold.com/newacct/newaccount.asp?cid=129542 - Original Message - From: "shupperd1" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "e-gold Discussion" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 7:55 AM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Cheap and easy way to put money into egold Send the amount you want +12% to my paypal account [EMAIL PROTECTED] I will fund you within 10 minutes in most cases. there is a $7 min fee. I also take Money orders, and Cashiers checks. I will fund you the moment I get them. Send the amount you want plus 10% to James Shupperd 14579 Pueblo Drive Manteca, CA 95336 209-825-6622 Personal Checks take 7 days to clear. If you need to use a visa/ mc I will take them, however the fee is 15% and you will be funded within 12hrs. Wire transfers are also available @ 10% God Bless You :o) James Shupperd - Original Message - From: "John Sherrer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "e-gold Discussion" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 7:56 AM Subject: [e-gold-list] Cheap and easy way to put money into egold Is their an easy way to put money into egold without spending a lot of money. I have looked at goldfinger. They do not seem easy to use.. John --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Question
Hello, If anyone is looking to sell e-gold, I can buy it today via bank wire for USD. Please contact me ASAP at : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I will pay for the bank wire if someone has the right amount of e-gold to sell. First person to respond with the right amount wins the USD for their e-gold! Thanks in advance! Eric Gaither, President Gaithman's E-gold Exchange, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (317) 782-1945 Voice --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Metal to Metal
Gary, You are correct. I did not mean to imply 100,000 people paid into E65 via e-gold. But e-gold was an option. I still have a printed page with the payment instructions. One of the methods to pay was by e-gold. I am looking at the paperwork now, but it just has the e-gold link button printed on it. It did not advertise the account number. I believe it was automatically filled in when you selected that payment option. Sort of like E Mutual Fun was done. Eric From: "gary" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "gary" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "e-gold Discussion" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Metal to Metal Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 14:21:13 -0400 I don't think he was talking about 100,000 people paying into E65 by e-gold as e-gold was never (as far as I know) a method of payment for E65. I think he was just addressing Mike about the E65 program. Gary - Original Message - From: "Craig Haynie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "e-gold Discussion" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2000 1:02 PM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Metal to Metal 100,000 people? There aren't even 100,000 e-gold accounts. There are only 30,000 funded gold accounts, and most people don't unfund the small amounts of e-gold left in their account. So I doubt if more than 10,000 people in the e-gold economy would have ever joined 1 single program. Craig - Original Message - From: "Eric Gaither" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "e-gold Discussion" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2000 11:25 AM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Metal to Metal Mike, I am still curious about the state of affairs of the E65 program you were/are running. You took in payment from over 100,000 people at $5 e-gold per person. Are you making any progress...or..just spending all of these peoples' funds? Curious, Eric From: "Mike Poulos" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Mike Poulos" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "e-gold Discussion" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [e-gold-list] Metal to Metal Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:53:54 +0700 Use to be that we were able to exchange one metal to an other. Now, it seems that we can not do that. How can one change one metal to an other? Even small amounts. Thanks MIKE --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _NetZero Free Internet Access and Email__ http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Dissapointed...
Parker, Does this mean the date I requested with Miss Sweden is off? I just finished pressing my tuxedo, waxing my car, and I have been doing sit-ups for THREE WEEKS to look great! *Sigh*! You win some...you lose some... ;0) Back to the drawing board! Eric p.s. This remark is, of course, a lighthearted attempt to bring a smile from those of us who have our own horror stories from dealing with the seemingly incompetent processing companies! No offense, or direct accusation that Gold Age runs a dating service, was intended! From: "R. A. Hettinga" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "e-gold Discussion" [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: "e-gold Discussion" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [e-gold-list] A lesson in book-entry settlement Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 12:20:29 -0400 Forwarded without (too much) comment, except that I can't wait until the auditors see *this* one on IBUC's books. :-). For those who don't know them Gold-Age is one of the new gold exchanges instituted in the e-gold system so that e-gold itself can concentrate on the wholesale end of things. Cheers, RAH --- begin forwarded text Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:58:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Gold-Age [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Subject: Gold-Age CC-statement Warning Dear Valued Customer, Between 09/01/2000 and today (09/26/2000) you placed an order with Gold-Age. If your order was approved and your credit card billed, something similar to the following may show up on your credit card statement transaction description. "Gold-Age, LLC: Dating/Escort Services" This is obviously incorrect!!! It should read something like: "Gold-Age, LLC: Precious Metals, coins, etc." or some similar phrase indicating that we deal in precious metals. What happened is that our credit card processor put the wrong business description codes into the credit card networks when they set up our account. The error has been corrected and any future CC-statements should have the correct business description on them. Thank you for your time, and thank you for using Gold-Age. Regards, Parker E.C. Bradley President Gold-Age, LLC -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gold-age.net -- --- end forwarded text -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: C'mon guys! OR how to improve your SEX life
Is anyone else having EXTREME difficulty logging on the e-gold website tonight? Is this a "scheduled outage" or just a "downtime" that was unplanned? Just Curious, Eric From: "Graham Kelly" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "e-gold Discussion" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [e-gold-list] C'mon guys! OR "how to improve your SEX life" Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 02:55:29 + Guys, How about we all sell something on eBay, with the objective of accepting e-gold payments? e-gold is well thought of in the market place... how about we really start promoting it? As I have said before, e-gold is a tiger, and we have it by the tail. Sooner or later, world markets will get a shock when they discover the worlds best kept secret called e-gold! Charles, for Gods sake, I want some shares... There are 343 listed items, accepting e-gold payments, for sale on eBay. Out of 1.7 MILLION items! These are mostly from about 5 sellers! What would happen if we ALL sell something... Jim, you lead the way, and put up some of those gold platinum coins you are hoarding away! You might even make a BIG profit! (I assume you guys are interested in making a profit?) Go for it! Find some stuff in the house you don't need, and offer it for sale, with e-gold as a payment option. Or go find a supplier, keen to sell his products, and who knows... you might even find yourself in a NEW business... and God FORBID, you might become self employed, and have to give up the dumb 9-5 JOB you have lumbered yourself with for the last 19 years. (When I did this, even my SEX life improved!!! ) My ad; http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=446790016 Make me an offer that I CAN'T refuse. Cheers! Graham Kelly www.GoldNow.St V/Mail Fax; +1(312)777-4270 --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Catch Up
Donald Henson, Thanks for the question concering the back log many of us MM's faced due to E-GOLD'S downtime. I, for one, am very happy to see the newly added link to the bottom of the e-gold webpage explaining the recent problems. (Honestly, though, I find it rather "cheesy" that they just pasted a portion of an e-mail J. Ray sent out ealier in the week rather than taking the time to actually write up one for the page!) I can not speak for the other MM's, but my service, Gaithman's E-gold Exchange, Inc., is already caught up from the back log. I spent a great deal of the holiday weekend getting spends in to catch up. I think I was able to process roughly 1 to 2 an hour on Friday and Saturday. It seems the problems are fixed and the system is "back to normal"...for now. Respectfully, Eric Gaither, President Gaithman's E-gold Exchange, Inc. From: "Donald D. Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "e-gold Discussion" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [e-gold-list] Catch Up Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 14:49:15 -0600 I wonder if the marketmakers on the list would care to make a statement about when they expect to be caught up after the recent problems with e-gold. Donald D. Henson, Managing Director, WEPIN "A sovereign individual views law as damage and routes around it." Visit WEPIN Store http://www.wepin.com/ today! --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: E-Gold
AAAGGGHH!! I am a spicey beef stick fanatic! Plase do not put a "kink" into this supply line. Nothing helps me get through an e-gold down time like "tearing into a Slim Jim"! E From: "McKee, Sam" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "e-gold Discussion" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: E-Gold Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:38:04 -0400 The outage doesn't just inconvenience existing customers. It may bring to a screeching halt my plans to bring into the E-Gold economy a business that sells tasty, high-cholesterol goodies of the sort frowned upon by BB health nazi types. I'm putting the finishing touches on an e-catalog and am hoping to persuade the client to accept E-Gold there (and possibly even pay me in E-Gold). If E-Gold is still down this discussion will not go well. This could be a tragedy for E-Golders who like spicy beef sticks. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
