[e-gold-list] Viking sword (real not ornament) for sale!
http://goldbarter.com/viewauction.jsp?id=174 Viking style sword, not an antique but a good modern replica, damascus pattern welded steel, sharp edged and sturdy enough to do real cutting (eg: cutting tatami mats or cola bottles). Usable for home defence. Yours for a minimum bid of 20 grams (used to be 30), there are currently no bids so you could possibly walk away with it for that much! --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Buy a Viking sword with gold
http://goldbarter.com/viewauction.jsp?id=174 See it, believe it, buy it. E-gold and GoldMoney accepted. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: what a joke ..
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this crap http://www.standardreserve.com/ gonna affect e-gold badly? Can e-gold make some sort of press release that they're at an arms length from Standard Reserve and totally disown them? To those holding SR: - If your currency provider is the same guy as your wealth storer, your cambio and your card issuer - If there aren't audits - If the value is stored not in physical mass-for-mass gold in a trusted vault, but in Enron-able numeric abstractions such as dollars - If the system's fractional reserve even in principle ...then what did you expect? Might this hurt e-gold? Might, but it ought not to. Who SHOULD this hurt? The other currencies who meet my above criteria. Sure they may be honest now, but who's to know they'll never slip and hire a thief? --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: First ZKS, now PGP (Network Associates)
James M. Ray wrote: http://www.nai.com/other/jump/customer-faq.asp It's interesting (to me, anyway...) that Hushmail somehow finds a way to survive. It's probably just a coincidence Hush accepts e-gold -- and was the only one that ever did, right? ;^) What amazes me is that hushmail has survived their disastrous version 2 release which needs one specific patchlevel of internet explorer to run at all. Before they did that, I was a fan. If only there were a don't wanna upgrade option... --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you know that e-metal is a wonderful holiday gift? Avoid the hassle this year!
[e-gold-list] After 911
I'm interested to hear if anyone has (considered, non-kneejerk) ideas as to what impact the 911 attack and the govt's reactions will have on e-gold as a system. Is the new anti money laundering talk likely to make any hassle? --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you know that e-metal is a wonderful holiday gift? Avoid the hassle this year!
[e-gold-list] Re: List DEAD :-(
Goldlist Cynic wrote: Looks like the new moderation rules have finally done their dirty work... Even the valiant efforts of JPMay have been to no avail... Its very sad. Hmm Roughly remembered/paraphrased from a Terry Pratchett book: `Dwarves sing about gold all the time' `But what is there to sing about? um, it's yellow, it glitters, you can spend it on stuff... I'm all out' `If you tried that, you'd get lynched for improvising. Mostly they sing gold gold gold. Sometimes if they're feeling adventurous they add a chorus of gold gold gold gold.' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you know that e-metal is a wonderful holiday gift? Avoid the hassle this year!
[e-gold-list] Re: UK deposits for gold!
Graham Kelly wrote: Guys, I'm now accepting UK depsits for gold, into my HSBC account. Details are at my site. Call me if you have any questions! You definitely have my interest. Is this: - a UK bank account that will allow transfers using the normal UK-mainland-internal method of sort code and account number? - denominated in pounds sterling? - free to transfer into, just like a normal mainland account transfer? Also, can you do tansfers out from that account? What is your buy and sell percentage over the spot price of gold? What is your normal money-gold turnaround speed? I though I'd ask you on the list since the replies may be of more general interest. BTW: I don't see info concerning that account on your site yet --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you know that you can spend e-gold to help the victims of terror at: http://www.freedomhound.com:80/servlet/echannel?Request=RenderID=443149Data=1292
[e-gold-list] Re: Gold-backed Digital Currency
C. Cormier - Ormetal Inc. wrote: Thus the gold price would have to rise to roughly $5500 per ounce ($25/1.26 * $275) for each unit of fiat currency to be 100% backed by gold. Demand draws supply - if gold got that valuable, sources would be found, and the supply would reinflate. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you know that e-gold Ltd. stores more gold on behalf of customers than many countries? See http://www.gold.org/Gra/Gra1.htm and the e-gold Examiner at http://www.e-gold.com/examiner.html for details.
[e-gold-list] Re: GBC
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you familiar with those self-storage units you see by the highway where for $30 a month you can rent a garage-like room with a lock -- and you can store say your excess furniture, old bikes, etc, in the storage unit? e-gold is *exactly* like that. It is *exactly*, *precisely* the same business model. Not the same - the primary use of storage sheds is not to transfer fractional ownership of the contents. Perhaps the best category name would be gold ownership transfer system. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you know that e-gold Ltd. stores more gold on behalf of customers than many countries? See http://www.gold.org/Gra/Gra1.htm and the e-gold Examiner at http://www.e-gold.com/examiner.html for details.
[e-gold-list] Re: Call for NAME SUGGESTION - latest DGC
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone have a good name idea? 1mdc-checking? 1mdc-bucks? metagrams --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you know that e-gold Ltd. stores more gold on behalf of customers than many countries? See http://www.gold.org/Gra/Gra1.htm and the e-gold Examiner at http://www.e-gold.com/examiner.html for details.
[e-gold-list] Re: What happens with the Golden Raffle?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People have spent *millions of dollars* developing and marketing online raffles, and then gotten lke 5 entries. Here's a guess as to why - it would be my motivation to reach the same decision: - if you play an online casino and always lose, you know they're crooked, you kick up a fuss and drag their name through the mud, such that they go out of business. Or you shrug and pick a different casino. - if you play an online lottery and always lose, that's *normal*. No way of tellng if they're just pocketing the money and pretending. It says Joe Blow of Limping Injun, Texas won $10,000 last week but do you trust that? I wouldn't. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you know that the new e-gold Secure Random Keypad can help you to protect your passphrase from both keystroke mouse- click sniffing trojan viruses? You can find out more about computer security at: http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/home_networks.html
[e-gold-list] Re: Proportion of HYIP scam to legitimate transactions
Viking Coder wrote: Can you list 300 legitimate merchants that accept e-gold? I notice the thunderous silence in response to Julian Dibbel's question of a few days ago! Here's a short list of e-gold accepting merchants... Something that's missing from your list: reputation. A couple of little user votable graphs on each - I trust them thus much, their stuff is thus much good qualty Could be worth implementing. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you know that the new e-gold Secure Random Keypad can help you to protect your passphrase from both keystroke mouse- click sniffing trojan viruses? You can find out more about computer security at: http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/home_networks.html
[e-gold-list] Re: Online lotteries are NOT flops
Alexis Golzman wrote: (2) Instead of paying for the bet, you would have to visit some sponsor sites. Anyone has suggestions about the number of sites that bettors would be willing to visit? You have a business model based on advertising? Erm, experience seems to suggest this is a bad idea. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you know that the new e-gold Secure Random Keypad can help you to protect your passphrase from both keystroke mouse- click sniffing trojan viruses? You can find out more about computer security at: http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/home_networks.html
[e-gold-list] Re: The Chevronetz
Viking Coder wrote: It's happening exactly like I thought it would. First, the spend page and then the home page... how long until there are multiple popups when the home page, or the spend page or any other page, is loaded? All of this on a paid service who's fees aren't being reduced. Popups, pop-unders etc are for sites that *have* to annoy people into clicking adverts, since it's their sole source of income. Politely mentioning something is not the same as screaming it in your ear. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you know that the new e-gold Secure Random Keypad can help you to protect your passphrase from both keystroke mouse- click sniffing trojan viruses? You can find out more about computer security at: http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/home_networks.html
[e-gold-list] Re: The Chevronetz
GoldSpender wrote: Not all yet know about the crisis coming in the US, What crisis? but I know and the best decision would be buying Gold (and also Chervonetzes) or Deutsch Marks (DEM) and later Euro EUR. DMs will have to be exchanged for euros, they'll stop being spendable. I've heard about the french francs, that the banks have been instructed to tell the taxmen about any exchanges, so les francs libres are being turned rapidly into saleable commodities or invested in house improvements, etc. Dunno if same applies to germany, but caution would be indicated. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you know that the new e-gold Secure Random Keypad can help you to protect your passphrase from both keystroke mouse- click sniffing trojan viruses? You can find out more about computer security at: http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/home_networks.html
[e-gold-list] Re: the full story
major bosco wrote: So -- I guess it's OK for these GBC's to be under the thumb of the Royal Family and the BOE, but get one ounce within 100 miles of a US border and people start screaming bloddy murder! Forget the bank of england. Two places to fear: - the EU, because they are a bunch of tax-happy reds, who are pushing to wipe out tax havens and harmonize everyone's taxes. - the USA, because it wants to tax worldwide income, and so must snoop worldwide. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-Bullion Article
C. Cormier - Ormetal Inc. wrote: But what can they do if the corporation is operating outside the country and has no asset in the country They will mumble about aiding tax evasion or construe the website as operating inside the USA. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-Bullion Article
C. Cormier - Ormetal Inc. wrote: On 21 Jul 2001, at 18:22, Julian Morrison wrote: They will mumble about aiding tax evasion Well...then explain why the MONEX, FIDELITRADE and other bullion dealers in the US have been selling gold for cash since they exist and have not been shut down... Why would a GBC issuer be? How many people speed on the roads? Nearly everyone. When the police want to harass someone, when they want an excuse to stop them, they'll pull them over for speeding. Likewise when they want to pad the budget with ticket fines. When the law is not objective, it becomes a weapon to use at whim. The laws surrounding the concept of money laundering and tax evasion are VERY not objective, and mostly a judgement call by the very folks who stand to gain from finding probable cause. or construe the website as operating inside the USA. Doesn't make sense in law. The location of the website is where the operations take place. The users are the visitors. The only thing the governement can do is to forbid their citizens to buy these currencies. You don't grok. They don't need a reason, they need an excuse. One they have siezed your computers, smashed up your offices searching, and arrested the personnel, they have plenty of time to find reasons. Even if they have to give up the prosecution the USA law currently will let them stubbornly hang onto computers as evidence, and require *you* to expensively and laboriously sue for their return. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Fw: [GoldMoney News] Buying LBMA bars
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, this changes everything. It's huge! Ok, please explain: how does this help as versus buying from an MM or from Omnipay? Or is this a thing that MMs themselves would be doing? --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: On Crooks vs. honest people
Craig Spencer wrote: Julian Morrison wrote: a) If you do business with unidentified people, you can be dragged into their crimes, you can be swindled, and you can help crime in general prosper. Strictly speaking the problem is not that they are unidentified. It is that they are criminals. Identification may filter out some of the criminals but it does not filter out all of them and it interferes with some perfectly legitimate business. The main problem with (a) assuming you're smart enough not to buy into a scam is that of unidirectional anonymity. They know and can tell that they dealt with you; you don't know them from Adam. I don't see why unidirectional anonymity *per se* is a problem. Unless you mean it allows the innocent, identified party to be scapegoated for the crimes of the unknown. ??? Exactly. They can drag you into their mess, you can't see them beforehand and avoid the problem. Then the cops come knocking at *your* door, come to take away your servers as evidence and to ask you all sorts of irritating questions. [... automated double-blind MM ...] That would be a good business. But I don't see it as addressing the crime problem. It's one half of the possible solution: near-perfect money laundering. The only people with any records of the transaction per se are e-gold, and the two parties. You just matched them up via some double-blind system that prevents you from having the opportunity to log anything that could incriminate you. Much like Hushmail's concept. I think this is a good and promising idea. But I am not sure it is a complete solution. It would have to be tried and its consequences observed. [... path server suggeston ...] I find the potential in this very promising. But how effective this method actually would be can only only be discovered by trying it. Hmm. A good trust provider would be doing most if not all of that, plus tracking user ratings and comments a-la ebay, but it would have to be designed to be less tediously technical in day-to-day use. A good quality reputation system could be set up perhaps rather similar to e-gold's spend system: to log them in you hand them over to the reputation provider with some details (who you are, what you want them qualified for, etc), they handle the authentication, and pass the user back across plus their pseudonym and rep rating. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: On Crooks vs. honest people
Dale Pond wrote: Craig Spencer wrote: Strictly speaking the problem is not that they are unidentified. It is that they are criminals. Identification may filter out some of the criminals but it does not filter out all of them and it interferes with some perfectly legitimate business. A broader view encompasses the definition of crime and criminal. And who is in charge of interpreting those definitions. Solution: use a purely selfish definition. A criminal is someone who causes an MM problems: by fraud, by nonpayment, by dragging them into external legal trouble, etc etc. Plus a criminal is a scammer, as every MM has a vested interest in pushing scammers out of the system - they give the system a bad name and scare off other more legit users. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: On Crooks vs. honest people
Julian Morrison wrote: Craig Spencer wrote: Julian Morrison wrote: a) If you do business with unidentified people, you can be dragged into their crimes, you can be swindled, and you can help crime in general prosper. Strictly speaking the problem is not that they are unidentified. It is that they are criminals. Identification may filter out some of the criminals but it does not filter out all of them and it interferes with some perfectly legitimate business. Oops, forgot to finish this para. Identification is a problem if it drags you into their mess. Them being a criminal is a separate problem, and one that can quite possibly be left to law enforcement and old fashioned detective skills or stings to prevent. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] On Crooks vs. honest people
The problem: a) If you do business with unidentified people, you can be dragged into their crimes, you can be swindled, and you can help crime in general prosper. b) If you force identity and audit trail of all people, you leave people no way to bypass pseudocrimes such as being unwilling to be bled white by elected thieves. Plus you have to raise your prices to cover the workload of playing detective over every transaction. Analysis: The main problem with (a) assuming you're smart enough not to buy into a scam is that of unidirectional anonymity. They know and can tell that they dealt with you; you don't know them from Adam. So the solution focusing on (a) is *bidirectional anonymity*. For example an automated MM system that matches want to buy against want to sell in such a way as to make an audit trail impossible. The problem with (b) comes in two parts: first, the state requiring you to prevent pseudocrimes, second the waste of time and effort. To the first part, the solution is validated pseudonymous reputation. To the second, an external service providing reputation services. You only deal through them, and so you can evaluate the trustworthiness of a mask without being required to inform on its wearer. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: just FWIW
SnowDog wrote: Alright, all you 'want ta hold e-gold back spend page purists'. What's the matter with that? SHOW ME THE PROBLEM! :) From someone who has done numerous back-to-back spends for a couple of hours on end, I can give you my personal opinion that I want that confirmation page to come up as quick as possible, without any delays. E-gold has suffered tremendous growing pains in the past, so much so that e-gold 'spends' would not always complete. When the page timed-out, the user would have to go check the history to make sure the spend did NOT go through, and then re-do the spend. Moreover, because the system was slow, the history wouldn't update immediately, either. Therefore, on one occasion, a spend that I made, timed-out on the confirmation page, and did NOT show up in the history. I RE-MADE the spend, only to find that I had double-spent. Needless to say that the receiver did not return the extra spend. [Doesn't it always seem to happen that way?] I had thought that JP wanted the ads to go on the page used to 'fill-out' the spend. Though I may have some objections to this, I certainly believe that the Confirmation Page should NOT be touched. How about Google style plain-text-only ads? Those would load with the page and so be fast. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Ah, reporters
James M. Ray wrote: http://news.independent.co.uk/digital/update/story.jsp?story=79745 If you don't have any facts, why waste valuable time asking for them? Just skim a few articles and then dream up whatever sounds right! I don't like the tone of these recent news articles. ungovernable, money laundering and other statist blatherings. Well they're right about one thing - this idea of digital gold money is well and truly out there, and I suspect the free market will find routes around any attempt to stomp or subvert it. I just hope the current companies have structured themselves to be hard to stomp. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: More competition
C. Cormier - Ormetal Inc. wrote: On 25 Jun 2001, at 9:07, Sidd wrote: Hmm, it would be very interesting to know if James Turk will try to defend his Patent against these guys... Who knows what plans Mr. Turk has. We know he has another patent coming up. Maybe he is waiting for it to act. Maybe he thinks that for now, other GBC are more allies than foes. Or maybe he's just using it as a defensive measure? Patent cross-licensing is the usual way to rebuff patent-based lawsuits. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: More competition
C. Cormier - Ormetal Inc. wrote: On 25 Jun 2001, at 3:02, Julian Morrison wrote: Patent cross-licensing Hello Julian, Can you explain what you mean by the above ? Jack has a patent on butt scratching and sues Jill. Jill points out that Jack picks his nose, for which she has a patent, and she'll sue if he continues his lawsuit. Jack offers to license Jill to scratch her butt, provided she licenses him to pick his nose. This is called a patent cross-licensing agreement. Jack and Jill now have a cosy little cartel from which to stomp anyone who doesn't have their own patents to use as bargaining chips. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: More competition
Dagny Taggart wrote: e-gold does not have a patent in anything. So what do they have to offer? Defensive patents are there to protect against patent lawsuits, not to start them. If that's what he's doing, he's only sitting on the patent as a means to wrangle a ceasefire if some other company attacks. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Spamming E-Gold accounts.
Vince Callaway wrote: The idea hitting all of the e-gold accounts may seem like a good way to advertise except for 2 issues. First, how many of you actually look at your history (exchange providers excluded). Secondly, E-Gold does not notify people when money is placed in their account. Unless someone just happens to view their history a 1 mg of gold difference in balance is un-noticable. They wont even realize it is there. So, e-gold, howsabout a notify me when I get paid toggle in the user options? --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: egold is a shit currency for scams and hyips
PowerClicks wrote: why would merchants push a payment system which delays the sale? How does e-gold delay the sale? I guess he meant that the customer must first acquire some e-gold before he can spend it. A slower process than with a credit card. Exactly. You must first acquire e-gold which is slow. The only way to do this relatively quickly if to fund using a credit card, but then what's the point? And funding by CC is still a real hassle. If they decide to fund by check or wire, then why not send such payment directly to merchant? So you dump in a wodge of money and use it in small amounts until you need to refill. And it's useful as a money store and a means to speculate on gold as well. Hardly rocket science. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: June 20, 2001
SnowDog wrote: 2) Any business could use the feature, but they would have to pay E-Gold for its use. The idea here is that E-Gold could set the price to allow businesses to 'Broadcast' messages to ALL account holders which subscribe to this service, (and subscriptions would be added automatically, requiring the user to turn them OFF manually -- maybe even at a cost to the account holder). However, the PRICE should be set by E-Gold SO HIGH that ONLY MegaCorp Int'l could afford it. This would allow major advertisers to reach the e-gold database through its mailing list, but would deny most Mom and Pop stores the opportunity, unless they want to pay the exorbitant cost. Total waste of time, and irritating to the users. Sending spamdonations is as simple as incrementing a counter and as cheap as minimum spend * number of customers. Nothing e-gold can do to stop it either, except screw up micropayments by raising the minimum spend. On the other hand, making people pay to avoid being spammed by some official list will just annoy the hell out of them, and make them switch to GoldMoney. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: June 20, 2001
Ken Griffith wrote: Yeah, it's a cool idea if someone does it to you once. But, if you start getting five to ten ad spends a day it will clutter up your financial statements real fast. I think I would get pretty po'ed about it. But it is possible now, isn't it. There's a good solution to this: e-gold should add the ability to categorize spends so as to make agregating or ignoring a slew of spamdonations easier. show all, show spams, show MMs, show purchases... etc. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: egold is a shit currency for scams and hyips
C. Cormier - Ormetal Inc. wrote: I am betting that we will see a massive move to gold and private money in the coming decade. Which will annoy the national governments enough that they'll likely try and legislate GCs into the ground, or at least tie them and regulate them and require so much snooping on the customers as to effectively nationalize them by default. E-gold and GoldMoney both are going to have to be prepared to be more than a tad stubborn if they want to survive as businesses or useful currencies. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: June 20, 2001
Viking Coder wrote: Being forced to dig around in the acct pages just to turn off that 'convenience' would also annoy the hell out of people. So it's offered as an option in the setup screens, notify me if somebody pays me, and the default is don't. Spends will still go onto the statements, they just won't result in users recieving emails. Or perhaps even better: (*) never notify me, I'll read it online if I want to ( ) always notify me ( ) only notify when I recieve more than [_] grams All who want e-gold to be turned into a get-paid-to-read-mail program, please raise your hand. With the idea of spamdonations being out there now and trivial to implement, I see little way to prevent it. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: June 20, 2001
SnowDog wrote: All who want e-gold to be turned into a get-paid-to-read-mail program, please raise your hand. With the idea of spamdonations being out there now and trivial to implement, I see little way to prevent it. I think everyone would go for it, if they could choose the amount of gold that would have to be spent to their account before they would be notified. Set the value at 10 grams and make a fortune. Of course, at that price, you probably wouldn't get any spam payments. It would become a matter of bidding, almost. Set it low and you could make like a whale and scoop up a slew of tiny spam payments. Set it high and catch a few bif fish. And from the advertisers perspectives, they would have to work out an optimal spend amount that people are interested in, or have opt in for larger amounts lists, and so on. I'm all for it. If I don't want spam I can just set it up to one kilo. Anyone who wants to send me one kilo of gold, I will gladly read whatthefuckever they choose to attach to it :-) Only trouble wth this is that the ad people are blinded to the amount they need to spend. Perhaps another of those nifty graphs of accounts-by-mass? So for e-gold what they should do is - allow email notifies of spends along with the memo - allow turning it off or setting a minimum - graph the minima by number of accounts --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Notifications
Viking Coder wrote: So it's offered as an option in the setup screens, notify me if somebody pays me, and the default is don't. Spends will still go onto the statements, they just won't result in users recieving emails. That still requires e-gold to spend time resources on making e-gold a better get-paid-to-read-email system rather than a better private digital currency. Notifications are useful for more than spam - for example, they are an excellent automation tool, and useful for ordinary people so they can see when their MM comes though with the goods, etc etc. Even with no change to anything, microdonation and memo spamming are trivial and show in the statement pages. [...]If e-gold included the option in the sign-up screen, that would be an official action. They would be officially recognizing and endorsing the fact that account holders will be spammed mercilessly. No, its effect would be that they could *choose* to be spammed, *mercifully*, as well as any non spam usefulness. That is, notifications will be under their sole control, even if the money comes in anyway. And it will have the effect of pushing up donation amounts in order to persuade people to take notice. One thing I think a few people haven't realized about the acct spamming is that you only have 50 characters to work with. So? You can still do enough with that. One other point about acct spamming is that you don't know which 95,000 accts are funded, so you would have to spend to every single account. That would destroy that valuable fact on the stats page. It would show that there are 250,000 accts of which 250,000 are funded. No means possible of preventing that, unfortunately. The number funded by more than X will become more useful instead. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: June 20, 2001.
SnowDog wrote: Only trouble wth this is that the ad people are blinded to the amount they need to spend. Perhaps another of those nifty graphs of accounts-by-mass? So for e-gold what they should do is - allow email notifies of spends along with the memo - allow turning it off or setting a minimum - graph the minima by number of accounts Right! This feature, (giving businesses the option to SPAM E-Gold's Email Addresses), Spam their *accounts* - an importat distinction; everyone gets it, not everyone gets emailed about it. The others will still see it in theor statements, if they bother reading them. This would also be very hmm humble spam. It would only have fifty character with which to convince you. Kinda like working within Haiku form, it could encourage some virtuosity by the spammers :-) would also give the businesses purchasing these spam-payments a 'Preview' of: 1) How much it will cost them; 2) How many email addresses will receive the emails; By graphing, they get to calculate effectively how much area under the graph they're prepared to pay for. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] User settable minimum spend?
Here's another thought. For those who're appalled by the idea of spamdonations and the fact that it's currently unstoppable, here's another thought: egold could let you lock down how much minimum you're willing to recieve in each of the metal types, anything above the absolute floor which is e-golds own minimum. A spend to you of less than that amount would simply give an error. This together with the notification minimum would allow you to say thus much I'm willing to read for, thus much I'm not even willing to let it clutter my statement page. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: June 20, 2001.
SnowDog wrote: Spam their *accounts* - an importat distinction; everyone gets it, not everyone gets emailed about it. The others will still see it in theor statements, if they bother reading them. Actually, I was thinking it would be more elaborate than that: It would be a special function that could be accessed by anyone wishing to use it, but the payments would be made ONLY to those whose 'value limit' was reached by the sender and they would be able to send an email with much more information in it to the email address, along with an associated payment to their account. Won't solve the problem of spamdonations by microdonating to every account, unfortunately. That being what set off the discussion in the first place. Plus, having the spams be as limited as memos will help put some sense into them; it's hard to waffle and drop buzzwords in one single short sentence. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] What'd I win?
Viking Coder wrote: If they want a halfass currency with elastic attached, which they can jerk back out of the merchant's hands post facto, then the *merchants* will be quite justified in telling them to take a running jump, once they see an alternative is available. DING, DING, DING!!! We have a winner! Oo, oo, what'd I win? :-D The consumer gets a method of spending over the internet that doesn't leave them wide open for fraud. Their account can only accessed if they allow it. Read one of my other posts before responding to that last statment. Not sure which post you're referring to. The problem that sparked this whole discussion is that it's trivial to *push* money into people's accounts without their permission. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: June 20, 2001
Viking Coder wrote: giving businesses the option to SPAM E-Gold's Email Addresses Am I the only one who doesn't want e-gold to officially turn into yet another place to receive SPAM from? There are two ways that a program like this could be implemented. [...] There are other ways. The simplest: [x] notify me by email for spends worth more than [1] [USD] [ ] do not let me recieve any spend worth less than [__0.1] [USD] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: New E-Gold SPAM - Payment System
Viking Coder wrote: Leave e-gold alone! Let it be a currency PERIOD It already is vulnerable to push spamming. All of my suggestions at least are simply ways to moderate this vulnerability, although some others have suggested expanding the vulnerability, which I disagree with. I agree with you that selling actual ability to spam is bad. This is different from letting people choose how to moderate the ablity of others to spend them money. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: New E-Gold SPAM - Payment System
SnowDog wrote: I want e-gold to remain a currency, plain and simple. I don't want them to turn into some sort of ad house/paid-to-read program. Let e-gold ltd. do what it does best, be a accounting system for it's private digital currency. I think you're missing the point a little bit. I think what we're suggesting is that E-Gold, (without changing their current Spend Fuction), implent a new function which will give businesses the option of spamming the entire e-gold list of email addresses by PAYING the receivers to receive their email messages! I'm not suggesting this, I'm suggesting only notifications and perhaps minimum-spend-allowed options so the user can regulate the intrinsic and pre-existing capability of including spam inside spend memos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: What'd I win?
Viking Coder wrote: Oo, oo, what'd I win? :-D A goldfish. Delivery will cost 1Kg gold. :) Don't kid, there are probably Koi carp worth that much... The problem that sparked this whole discussion is that it's trivial to *push* money into people's accounts without their permission. What I've been ranting and raving against hasn't been spam spends. I've been going off about e-gold becoming yet another email spam outlet. I don't have a problem with you're discussing. I don't it will be taken up seriously though. I can't see it having a high success rate for getting new customers. Well I totally agree that the idea of e-gold actully handling spam as a separate service is stupid. It basically would dilute their mission, undermine their profitability, cost money for hardware, and annoy the users. I was only talking about spam spends, which is a corollary of the existing system not a whole 'nuther boondoggle hung off the side. The closest I'd go to endorsing spam would be perhaps to propose a new metaspend that says (a) get me a blind handle to all accounts matching these search criteria, then (b) spend thus much to each of them. Allowable search criteria being only funded with more than X grams and won't refuse a spend of Y grams The advantage of this is that users choose how much they're willing to let you send them, so they're likely to pay more attention to the spams. Plus your search can rule out anyone who can't afford the widget you're selling. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: clever
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good idea, but I tried it already. I used a pool of known e-gold accounts to test how many people would read the message. Only one did out of ~ 80 tests. Next? One in eighty is a droolable return rate on blind spam. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: June 20, 2001
Viking Coder wrote: There are two ways that a program like this could be implemented. [...] There are other ways. The simplest: [x] notify me by email for spends worth more than [1] [USD] [ ] do not let me recieve any spend worth less than [__0.1] [USD] You're talking about something completely different than what SnowDog was proposing. He was talking about selling the e-mail addresses of e-gold account holders. You're talking about receiving email notifications of payments received. However, you both have the same intention; turning e-gold into a paid-to-read outlet. Not quite. I'm thinking how to give users some market clout against a system which already allows some form of pay-to-read by pushing spam donations. Minimum amount of silver will add up to nearly nothing even spamming the whole numberspace, so many spams are possible. My suggestions make it so it's only commercially viable to send *much more* than that. Which means less spams, more money to the users, happiness all round, world peace, and a libertarian US president. Ahem. Sorry, got carried away there :-) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: turn 'em off!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am just saying there exists no non-cottage-industry EREs. Hence, e-gold should say since e-gold is currently only used for HYIPs (let's call a spade a spade) and a couple of novelty sites, and we really want some non-cottage-industry egold related enterprises, we need to make an advertising channel for enterprises to reach e-gold users I think you have it back assward there. What e-gold should do is say hey, currently were excellently suited to cottage industries - and small web vendors are a vast market in aggregate. Lets push e-gold as the ultimate way to run a mom-and-pop shop! --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: turn 'em off!
Viking Coder wrote: [...]Everybody keeps saying how powerful the gold economy will be several years from now, and then coming up with schemes to make it pre-maturely happen today. Agreed, it's a bad idea to rush adoption speed - you need a minimum number of *working* *trusted* sites taking e-gold at a mom-and-pop level before it can expand again. Otherise people will come in, see it as a one trick wonder, or as a nifty solution in search of a problem, and ignore it in droves. It's exactly the same thing as the fluff over e-commerce before it was actually useful, or the big fuss about WAP phones when there's about three sites that support them. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold is mom and pop.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you have it back assward there. What e-gold should do is say hey, currently were excellently suited to cottage industries - and small web vendors are a vast market in aggregate. Lets push e-gold as the ultimate way to run a mom-and-pop shop! I think you are PERFECTLY RIGHT, Julian. Although you miss my drift. Clearly, that is exactly where e-gold wants to be. And should be - for now. And, that's exactly where it will remain. 1) Technophiles and libertarians come in early for politics, fun, money storage, investment, etc 2) Small vendors and niche vendors come for the simplicity, there are enough users to support them 3) Small vendors pull in people to buy niche or local goods 4) Some large vendor starts to support e-gold 5) People come in, attracted by the large vendor, and find a viable cluster of small vendors as well, and so they think it worthwhile to stay 6) More large vendors come in, to get the drop on the competition 7) It becomes mainstream The problem being that trying to jump straight in at stage 4 will dump you back out at stage 5 when people see it's a one trick pony. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold is, and will remain, mom and pop.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I doubt 4) Some large vendor starts to support e-gold will happen while the sole business model is: your new e-gold related venture can ... reach everyone on the e-gold mailing list!!! Q. How do ordinary people find out about ordinary nifty new sites on the internet A. By: - word of mouth - banner ads - news stories - they search on google - they browse directories like dmoz.org and its derivatives, or yahoo - they opt in to announce lists - spam, but mostly this gets ignored So enhancements possible already to help spread the word: - tell aquaintances about it, get them to tell their aquaintances - set up mutual banner ad rotation servers - talk to journalists - volunteer to be a dmoz.org editor for an e-gold sites node, then tell people about the page and get them to submit their pages for listing - set up an e-gold spam list, and ask people to join it from your sites That's a good start, no? Then maybe later you can talk e-gold into putting a subscribe me to the e-gold spam list button, or at least listing it on their own mini directory. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: egold is a shit currency for scams and hyips
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (4) i said, Oh, there's no method for reaching egold users (5) they said what a fucking stupid conversation this is Suggestion: e-gold should have an e-gold adverts list with a check-button to autosubscibe you on the account creation pages. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: ads on spend page
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, why are there 0 businesses that take e-gold? Zero businesses that accept e-gold? I can find a couple of hundred. Craig mate, I mean serious ones. Rather than cottage industry ones (like my crap ones, like Banana). (Thats the perfect illustration ... Amazon, no, jp's crap home-cottage Banana that makes $12 a year, yes) Nothing wrong with cottage industry as a stage in the bootstrapping of e-gold towards broader usefulness. Are you talking about just consumer-merchandise type of businesses? This isn't e-gold's niche because the cost of purchasing something through e-gold involves an exchange fee which is overwhelming. When e-gold becomes more popular, the demand for consumer merchandise will climb, but right now, the chief movers of e-gold will probably be small businesses for business-type payments. You're saying that e-gold is just not RIGHT for corporate businesses at this time, it's only right for cottage-industry businesses ... I guess you're right. It's very useful to big corps as well I suspect - as a cheap and accessible way to invest in gold. Maybe as a way to move big onceoff payments. Not as a mass payment tech; there simply isn't the following yet. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: What's the stance on Adult Sites
Samuel Mc Kee wrote: As I recall, Jim Ray said a couple of years back that he thought the Seven Deadly Sins (all of them vices, IMO) might be the key to promoting e-gold--sloth, lust, greed, vanity, and so on. Wrath is one of them, and the more e-gold grows, the more the banking system will feel my wrath. pride: self judgement as good. reward for virtue. envy: mostly silly, the product of lack of ambition (ambition would say okay, how to actually *get* it...) gluttony: fun in moderation. lust: virtue. very saleable. anger: virtue, if justified. useful advertising tactic. greed: virtue. also very saleable. sloth: can be a virtue, especially in programmers; see the Camel Book. Jim Ray, you said you want to harness Sloth: here's a suggestion. write a Perl module for all the things e-gold's external interface can do, one which handles the web requests using LWP, and upload it to CPAN. oh, we can do e-gold with a standard module right here, I won't have to reinvent the wheel says the coder, and uses it in preference to the competition. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Associated Press article - the journalist has done his homework!!!
Michael Moore wrote: Paul, Here is your article complete with photo of Doug Jackson http://wire.ap.org/?FRONTID=HOMESITE=FLROCenter=Go I can send you the whole copy if you wish. This is in the FloridaToday.com Site. My e-gold account number is 129542 (Goldtoday) Kind regards, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gold-today.com Here to be exact: http://www.floridatoday.com/news/business/stories/2001/jun/bus061801b.htm --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Article, money laundering
That AP article has a lot of waffling from law enforcement types about the potential for money laundering and statements from e-gold personnel indicating a willingness to roll over and play dead. Shame on you! I've said it before and I'll stand by it: money laundering is a *fundamental human right*. The whole fuss is just a BS cover story for the real intent, which is to have zero financial privacy, meaning zero ability to shelter from thieving taxes and idiot prohibitionist laws. Zero right to spend your own money without the politician's permission. The money laundering laws aren't there to prevent large scale mob laundering, which is what they're sold as, because the mob can bypass them using thousands of small transactions. They're there to stop individuals excercising their freedom. E-gold, if you're reading this, please STOP collaborating with this privacy invasion. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Associated Press article - the journalist has done his homework!!!
Luc Van den Borre wrote: There's an article on Slashdot right now: If you support my stance on the right to launder money, please vote up this slashdot comment: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=01/06/18/0229227cid=109 --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Article, money laundering
SnowDog wrote: I've said it before and I'll stand by it: money laundering is a *fundamental human right*. Kind of a strange quote since the act of laundering money is to take 'dirty' money and attempt to make it look like 'clean' money. Since dirty money is defined as money raised through illegal activity, then by saying that money laundering is a fundamental human right is to say that illegal activity is a fundamental human right. How can you not arrive at this deduction? For exactly the same reason as there is a protection in the USA against unreasonable searches and seizures: there are freedoms which it is necessary to keep clear of government interference even though it hinders law enforcement. Economic freedom is absolutely tied to personal and political freedom; the right to *refuse to play along* is a requirement for a system where the individual people, not politicians, are sovereign. It is impossible to be free in a panopticon, and there is no other way to actually prevent money laundering. Given the choice between a police state and a place where criminals sometimes get away, I much prefer the company of the criminals. Besides there is the simple matter of rights: it is NOBODY'S DAMN BUSINESS to whom or for what I exchange my property. It is between me and them and maybe the currency issuer. Period. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Associated Press article - the journalist has done his homework!!!
Craig Spencer wrote: Forgive my ignorance... but how do I do that? CCS Julian Morrison wrote: Luc Van den Borre wrote: There's an article on Slashdot right now: If you support my stance on the right to launder money, please vote up this slashdot comment: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=01/06/18/0229227cid=109 If you don't know, you probably can't. You'd need slashdot moderator points, which you get for posting high-moderated comments. Some of your geekier friends at work may have them, especially the slacker types who read slashdot instead of doing work ;-) Even if you don't have moderator points, you can still post replies. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: eCurrency Trade Association Inc.
Michael Moore wrote: 5. I will never disparage the Association or it's members or clients in any way. Which translates to I will not slag off OSGold despite them backing HYIPs and being a currency that calls itself `gold' but denominates value in dollars, and other such antics. 9. I will not use the Association as a platform for any other philosophical or political agenda. Why not? --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Accreditation vs Licensing
Ken Griffith wrote: As was pointed out before, licensing by the government has never proved to be a screen against bad operators. Instead it is used by the established bad operators to keep out the competition. There are plenty of incompetent licensed attourneys, doctors, and plumbers out there... Plus government licensing is much more prone to corruption and squeaking through at the minimum pass level, since it's binary (you have a license or you don't), coercive, and run by someone who won't go out of business if their word is seen as worthless. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: eCurrency Trade Association Inc.
Michael Moore wrote: 5. I will never disparage the Association or it's members or clients in any way. Which translates to I will not slag off OSGold despite them backing HYIPs and being a currency that calls itself `gold' but denominates value in dollars, and other such antics. To clear up any misunderstanding Julian, Definition of Disparage:To speak slightingly of. New World Dictionary. Definition of Member: A person who is or belongs to a group Definition of Client. A person or customer who purchases services from someone or something. Nowhere is osgold mentioned as being a member (which they are not, not being a Market Maker, or Exchange Provider or Cambio) or a client. Only Market Makers, Exchange Providers Cambios are members. Ah, my mistake, I apologise. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: don't get keyboard sniffed
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, the overall topic is so completely ridiculous on so many levels (example, reindeer cannot fly; man has in fact explored the north pole; we know where all known gifts actually came from etc) that it is important to realize that even the statement santa claus is nonsensical because he couldn't fit down the chimney is sort of ridiculous in itself, because, it ignores how incredibly ridiculous the rest of the topic is. *grins* http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~dufour/HUMOR/Santas.html (*) the normal variation in the earth's temperature is spectacular and massive. For example, we happen to be in a 10 thousand year gap between two **ICE AGES**. This is just one of TENS OF THOUSANDS of such ongoing cycles. And also pretty fast - I've heard TV documentaries where they discussed evidence that shows a complete switch out of an ice age taking less than 100 years. Also I recall the flap before global warming was fear of a new *ice age* being due roundabout now. Be amusing if one filled into the hole of the other so to speak :-) (*) Just for example, FIFTEEN THOUSAND scientists have now signed a petition pointing out that global warming is trivial idiocy. N scientists have signed a petition is meaningless either way, pro or con - adding numbers doesn't support arguments (which obviously also goes for the every schoolboy knows approach of many GW theorists). (*) the amount of CO2 put out by humans is utterly, utterly dwarfed by natural processes CO2 isn't the only greenhouse gas, so's water, methane, etc. Why does global warming exist? Quite simply, to raise taxes. ENVIRONMENTALISM IS THE LAST ATTEMPT OF SOCIALISM TO GAIN CONTROL. I posit you're underestimating the opposition here. I hung out with green types a tad when I was younger, and one of the things I noticed (that drove me off infact) was how common pure technophobia was. And by tech, I mean anything literally more advanced than sitting nude in a nud puddle, scrabbling for roots. It was subtle, unstated, but universal, that *rational thought* was considered an unfair advantage, and one that ought to be banned. Merely taxing the economy back to hovels and hand-carts was at most a step in the right direction. Result: they do a Milliken on Doug, and slap a 30% tax on e-gold transactions. e-gold inc needs to be damn sure it can hop jurisdictions and hide behind secrecy mechanisms such as ZKS freedom to the extent that it can blow a phbbbt at the taxers and simply refuse to reveal anything or cooperate to any extent. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: don't get keyboard sniffed
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Think of it as a Pascal's wager kind of thing - maybe you'll be wrong trying to do your part to combat global warming, but conserving energy and promoting alternative fuels can be its own reward - and if you're right it helps in the big picture too! The Pascal's wager calculations you make need to be weighted against (a) damage to the principle of private property (b) the economic devastation, famine, power cuts, and destruction of opportunity inherent in GW gas bans/taxes. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: UK and other countries banking
Frank Zuchristian wrote: Euro Gold Line is presently setting up accounts in several countries, of which the UK will probably be the first. Hopefully these should start to appear as early as next week. When the country becomes available, there will be adjustments made to the rate schedule for that country. The way the system works, we effectivley will be picking up the cost of transfer, however as these are bulk transfers it will be far cheaper than what our clients now have to pay individually. The last item that we are dealing with is to include the BTW/VAT/IVA in our pricing. We will announce, on this list when these issues are resolved. http://www.eurogoldline.nl BTW, investment gold is supposed to be vAT free. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] UK internal MM for cash?
For MMs (eg: eurogoldline) thinking of setting up to recieve UK funds, a good approach could be to accept funds as cash sent via insured post. The chances of cash not clearing are near zilch, especially with hard-to-forge British money. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Second account number is useless.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nothing is easier than looking through a keyboard sniffer file and finding out what's going on, it's like reading someone's mind. You can see their common typos, etc. Experiment with any keyboard sniffer for ten minutes and you'll immediately get the idea. You could invest in an operating system that's harder to hack - perhaps even cook up your own with NSA secure linux, if you're particularly paranoid. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: America, no longer the land of the free.
James M. Ray wrote: At 04:13 PM -0700 06/10/2001, Craig Spencer wrote: ... Gold is one of the greatest threats to the whole socialist world view. Hmm. Maybe I was wrong to use the word socialist (since hardly any socialists call themselves socialist anyway, these days). What I meant is that e-gold is useful no matter what our politics, and for it to dominate as I think it will, it has to be seen as something besides a system made for a political minority like the long-time inhabitants of the e-gold list. Hmm. I think Craig's right to call you on that - the statist sorts *don't care* about useful. Laissez faire is about as proven-useful as a thing can get: there is a near perfect correlation of freedom, non-corruption, and prosperity. Doesn't make them like it. Gold likewise. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Another thought on the nature of freedom
Craig Spencer wrote: In that spirit, I understand very well that they need money to support the Party, but I don't think they need it until 2006. I'm going to send them a post-dated check--dated 15 April 2006--along with a letter explaining why. I encourage others to do the same. Another feature of the cut is that it only lasts until 2011 and then the rates return to the present ones. So perhaps you should make them a loan for the 5 years between 2006 and 2011 instead of a gift. As if, by that time, any of this is really going to happen ... As if, by that time, income or savings based taxes will even be an option available to them :-) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Hey e-gold, a small usability suggestion
On the balance page, when one picks a currency, the page refresh should set a cookie - and that page should always from then on load with the chosen currency, until it's changed again. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: America, no longer the land of the free.
Viking Coder wrote: Do you really think that slavery produces wealth? Yeah, but not for the slaves. Slavery always destroys *potential* wealth, by nullifying the potential creative contributions of the slaves. It also weakens the incentive toward technical and scientific progress by allowing problems to be brute-forced. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: America, no longer the land of the free.
offshoresurfer wrote: The US legal system throws more people in jail than in any other country of the world, yet the US crime rates are some of the highest too. How many of them are for halfassed pseudocrimes such as tax evasion, drug use, whoring, gambling or ignoring silly bureaucratic BS? Or dumb three strikes laws? Directly that crowds the bad guys out of the jails. Indirectly, it undermines the perception that the law is run by and for the good guys, and it encorages a childish reactance by treating adults as children. Harsh punishment is about the only thing you can't blame it on, in the land of the Plea Bargain. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: consensual crimes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The US legal system throws more people in jail than in any other country of the world, yet the US crime rates are some of the highest too. Right -- they get thrown in jail for consensual crimes, ie, crimes with no victims. Who gives a rats ass if someone wants to shove some substance up their nose? Cocaine was completely normal and legal in the US until, what was it, 1928? Read _Aint nobody's business if you do_, a great book! http://www.mcwilliams.com/books/books/aint/ Free online, with the author's consent. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Parker Bradley -- awesome!
C. Cormier - Ormetal Inc. wrote: And I wonder how much is in central bank vaults, Roughly 33,000 tons... in theory. A lot of it has been leased, melted and sold on the market. I wonder how long 'til they run out, if they carry on playing silly buggers with gold prices? --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Parker Bradley -- awesome!
C. Cormier - Ormetal Inc. wrote: On 6 Jun 2001, at 0:42, Julian Morrison wrote: wonder how long 'til they run out, if they carry on playing silly buggers with gold prices? Experts estimations are that the CB's are pretty much done with the leasing at current gold prices. They are starting to understand what mess they have created and what consequences they are about to go through. If they've been sitting on the price and they run right out... should be amusing to watch. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: egold for CASH!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe MMs in popular world cities (ie, probably American cities) could do a RAGING business in selling e-gold at a modest price over spot, for cash. The good thing is, then peope wanting egold can get in instantaneously. The only danger would be counterfeiting! Those folks could also set up to do transactions for cash sent via insured mail, it wouldn't have to be face-to-face. And with cash the ultimate nonrepudiable payment, the premiums could be pretty tight and still stay profitable. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Putting money into e-gold or osgold accounts
Eric J. Gaither wrote: MCF, I have one comment: It is rather COSTLY to be an Exchange Service Provider (or Market Maker, Exchange Agent, Cambio, etc.) due to the fees assessed by the banks, the gold currencies, and paying a staff's wages. Then there are taxes, insurance, and buying gold up front by bank wire. Factor in losses to fraud, webmastering fees, webhosting, site design, marketing, food, water, electricity. Perhaps some market maker could make available a buy-when-paid type of e-gold purchase where they don't buy the gold up front, but batch orders and fulfil them a few days later en masse. This might be able to be done more cheaply. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Putting money into e-gold or osgold accounts
Eric J. Gaither wrote: Julian, Agreed, however, people already complain if their accounts are not funded within HOURS of making a payment. Asking them to wait days Making it upfront - calling it something like SlowCheapGold and saying we guarantee delivery within ONE MONTH of recieving funds would help. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Off shore information
The Snipper wrote: I have read one of Lance Spicers books. The Scams Frauds one. This is a book that many in the e-gold world should read. It specifys who is behind most of these scams that poliferate the e-gold economy. A lot of people will sit up and take notice when they read this I can tell you. There's no need for it - just trash anything that claims to bypass TANSTAAFL. For everthing which passes that test, do your homework before choosing to sign up. Et voila: problem solved. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold access problems
Frank Zuchristian wrote: I noted comments about not being able to access e-gold's site yesterday. On Wednesday for more than half a day, I was not able to access the site, yet at the same time, Paul, Ice Gold reported no problems. Friday morning, and the problems is repeating, I cannot access e-gold. Does anybody know what is happening? Wednesday, I reported it to my cable company thinking it was their problem, but today I am not sure. It sure would be nice if there was some kind of answer, or general statement on what is happening. Have you tried using traceroute etc? Often when that kinda stuff happens it's a confused router somewhere, or some idiot with a JCB has dug through a cable. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Everybody wants to rule the world - Tears For Fears
Bob wrote: Screw the Euro. The euro is in a permanent state of being operated by the reddest organization north of Beijing. As such it will be taxandwasted and politically fiddled to the point of uselessness. Leastaways that's how it looks to me. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: security
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The technology is out there, but so far there hasn't been much implementation of it. I wonder why? Julian's law of security: nobody but spooks will pay for security that calls them an idiot. (Where pays is either in terms of money or of fuss-and-bother.) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: security
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Julian's law of security: nobody but spooks will pay for security that calls them an idiot. Good software makes the security virtually invisible. People don't mind carrying cards around in their wallets. They already do. If someone produced software and smartcards that were EASY to use it would overcome Julian's Law and reduce transaction costs by eliminating a lot of fraud. The catch is the card readers. If PC and MAC manufacturers would start putting out computers or keyboards with built-in smart-card readers it might catch on. You miss the costs. For smart cards: - cost and hassle of buying a reader (although your keyboard idea offsets this) - hassle of installing software - hassle of only being able to get access where there's a card reader For manual challenge-response cards: - hassle of typing stuff into them and reading a LCD For both types: - cost and hassle of getting cards - hassle of guarding cards from pickpockets and burglars - hassle of making sure you always have your card when and where you need it - hassle involved when you inevitably lose your card This is arrayed against a plain password which can be handled easily by any software system that can do console IO. And for which the user can chose the level of security, from post-it note to memorization. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: security
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Julian, for the average consumer there is no doubt you are correct. For a business or bank moving thousands or millions of dollars, the risk of loss is definitely worth the hassle of getting the smart card. Of course. (And this is actually consistent with my law - the *user* is not the one making the decisions on whether to pay in that case.) For the retail merchant the cumulative loss due to credit card fraud (the merchant eats it) may well be worth the hassle of convincing his customers to go through the hassle of getting smart cards and readers. This can be done by offering them a discount or reward, or giving away cards and readers. People will go to amazing hassle to get free stuff! Not trivial though because proper smart cards are Very Fancy Tech right now and hence rather expensive to give as freebies. Hushmail has done a brilliant job of making sophisticated encryption invisible and simple to use for the end user. Of course, Hushmail doesn't solve the particular problem we are talking about (keyboard sniffers) BUT they have shown that encryption can be made popular by embedding it in user friendly software. Keyboard sniffers are trivial to defeat: type the alphabet into one window, cut and paste letters into another, paste the password into its text box, close and delete all temporaries. Due to the fact that e-gold is a small fish in the financial pond, most of the fraud is presently involving credit cards. However, as e-gold increases in popularity, fraud will become more common. I suspect that one the hassle from the fraud reaches a certain threshhold, e-gold will upgrade to a more secure system. Improbable - e-gold can just take the perfectly justifiable position a fool and his money are soon parted and that it's none of their damn business if you can't read simple instructions. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: maples - guaranteed weight?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding the below, my interpretation is that the Canada Government, guarantees that WHEN YOU PURCHASE A MAPLE FROM THEM, it is actually one ounce of actual gold. (That strikes me as entirely unremarkable, actually. For instance Ford motor company totally guarantees that the car you buy really is a car!) What I thought was meant was: That if you buy a Maple from ANYONE, in the future (example, I buy an old one from Jim Ray), the Canada Government then guarantees that it is one ounce --- ie, even if Jim has shaved it or it has been rubbed a bit over the years. (Exactly as the governments guarantee that their money is worth .. their money!) In that way, you could buy and sell Maples, as bullion, WITHOUT ASSAYING them. But -- is that the case? Blatantly it can't be - or any Maple would be a blank check to shave the coins and claim back the difference, over and over again. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Nasty new windows virus that infected my friend' computer
James M. Ray wrote: http://www.free-market.net/forums/e-gold0008/messages/992155539.html Read all about it at the URL above. Take care, this friend was expecting an attachment and made the mistake of opening this thing instead! There's this nice little antivirus program I recommend as a solution, goes by the name of Linux. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Banks, Guns, and Feudal Lords
Viking Coder wrote: The credit card companies have one thing over e-gold that will make it hard to break into the popular offline group; namely, credit. You can use your credit card without having the money on hand; can't do that with e-gold. Do people actually *want* credit? I know I use debit cards by preference. If they do want it, credit with e-gold is simple enough: the traditional borrow, lend approach works well enough (eg:metal savings). Or just plain have at hand a large wodge of the stuff from which to lend (and later recieve back plus interest). Only trouble with either approach is that you have to be careful not run out and have to stall people while waiting for returns. But provided people knew this was a risk, it would work. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Same 'ol
Bob wrote: The Republican promise reneged -- by Jacob Halbrooks For years the Republicans have been promising less government and lower taxes, but with control of Congress and now the White House, they have not delivered. Halbrooks explains why they are not honoring, and will never honor, this promise. (05/01) http://www.geocities.com/libertarian_press/republicans.html They must be at it again (since the beginning of this year): U.S. Money Growth: Words Unnecessary http://www.goldensextant.com/commentary16.html#anchor84178 It takes a while to load, but worth the wait. Bush is probably the most libertarian leader that could currently be electable. He has already done a lot of very sensible things - dropping kyoto, relaxing green blocks on power production, scuppering the OECD all your money are belong to us initiative, etc. Enemy of my enemy, and don't look gift horses in the mouth. For the moment at least. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Same 'ol
Bob wrote: relaxing green blocks on power production, The latest I read is the Artic is now off limits (again) to new oil production. He reneged again. Nah. At most he'll greenwash it. Al G. woulda slapped in nationwide price fixing, and tried to force the electricity industry to employ unionized workers by the thousands to pedal their way to power generation on excercise bikes. Or made public power contribution and healthy excercise pedalling compulsory by every household. Or just plain told everyone to go back to horse-and-buggy and hand-waved fans. scuppering the OECD all your money are belong to us initiative, etc. Scuppered not. The battle isn't won yet. The OECD is taking a new tack. But Bush is their enemy - he sees plainly enough that the USA is the worlds biggest tax haven and stands the most in harm's way. Enemy of my enemy, and don't look gift horses in the mouth. For the moment at least. Well, I stretched my brain as far as possible to see Bush as a gift horse, and couldn't pull off that feat. Gift horse: as in getting something for nothing? I don't believe I can get something for nothing. Particularly from a politician or a government. Gift horse as in: getting a helluva lot more than anyone could have expected. Most politicians would have handwaved kyoto through and at most stalled the ratification. Most would have compromised away the tax cut idea into a blatant tax raise plus handouts for their good buddies. Most would have dropped the missile protection thing by now. Modulo the deliberate weakness of the executive in a checks-and-blances system, Bush basically seems to have taken the I said it so I'll do it attitude that's normally only prevalent in politicians with no chance of ever getting a chance to do. He's just about as far from Libertarianism as Gore is. That's silly. Nobody could say the Moon is only a short walk away, but it's still kinda near compared to Andromeda. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Banks, Guns, and Feudal Lords
Much nastyness. But in any free enough system, bypassing all that cruft carries a competitive advantage. I predict by 2020 fiat money will be an amusing anachronism. I also predict laws will try to put the genie back in the bottle between now and then - I hope e-gold, goldmoney etc have taken steps to guard themselves against any local (or UN/OECD/etc international) sneaky confiscation attempts and ownership bans. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Banks, Guns, and Feudal Lords
Viking Coder wrote: I predict by 2020 fiat money will be an amusing anachronism. Remember JPM's last stats contest? http://www.mail-archive.com/e-gold-list@talk.e-gold.com/msg03208.html If e-gold continues to grow at the phenomenal rate it has had for the past 2 years, e-gold's usage will match that of the Swiss France in 2 years (May 2003). This same growth rate will have e-gold's usage match that of the US Dollar in early 2005. My pessimism in estimate is basically allowing for thieving-bastard laws trying to ban or tax or hyper-regulate e-gold, plus the rather broad cultural gap between popular online and popular offline. That is unless e-gold can bridge that gap early and grow fast enough to do an end-run around the legislatures. They'll know they're safe at last when it reaches the point where giving them grief would trigger an instant no-confidence recession. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: capped accounts
Samuel Mc Kee wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Viking Coder You don't need to prove identity to create an e-gold account. However, Omnipay has decided that before they will exchange large amounts of gold for fiat cash they will know who you are. Does this mean that if I want to redeem a 400 oz. bar of gold (if I have that much in my e-gold account) I don't need to prove identity? You need to keep a valid snail-mail address and phone number in your e-gold account (according to the user agreement), which is used amongst other things when mailing you the gold. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Western Union QuickPay......
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately the US government seemed rather scared of this system that allowed people to transfer their money easily into a real free market... Specifically, I attended the Shorex Offshore Conference in Monaco in 1997 when Western Union just launched Quickpay and were keen to promote it to the offshore industry. Later they set up offshore banks (including Paritate Bank, Latvia and Swiss American Bank, Antigua) with Quickpay. Subsequently, both these accounts - and Omnipay's I believe - were cancelled by WU, presumably under pressure from Big Brother. They must be smeggin' *terrified* of e-gold. Infinitely faster than WU, scales better both up and down, offshore, unreported, and not even based in the pleasantly controllable dollar economy. Ain't squat Mr Greenspan can do about the price of gold without actually releasing honest physical gold into the market. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: capped accounts
SnowDog wrote: Also, in paragraph one above, why didn't e-gold/Omni just go with the if the password fits, tough tittie model? What went wrong? Would you want to cash-out an account for over 1 million dollars without even getting a copy of the guy's driver's license? Why not, if the e-gold / cash is provably in there and available? --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: One other thought on HYIPs
Gerardo S. Esguerra wrote: My point was that you CAN earn by giving money and doing nothing. It's called gambling. And the only way to win is to own the casino. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Any Maples today?
C. Cormier - Ormetal Inc. wrote: On 14 May 2001, at 13:49, Steve Renner wrote: Canadian Maple Leafs, are just bullion coins, and as such have no intrinsic value other than the spot price of gold. They are reportable and confiscatable by the Canadian Government. Where did you get that? They are not reportable and not can not be confiscated unless there is a special law voted on. Even then, it would likely take more than a law. Heck they can't even properly confiscate peoples' guns since a recent victim disarmament law. What chance would they have taking people's gold coins? --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: One other thought on HYIPs
Gerardo S. Esguerra wrote: Yes, gambling also is another way, and I've studied methods (work?) that can make you win even if you don't own the casino No, all those do is make you get dragged out back by muscular and unintelligent men, who proceed to hit you until you (a) explain your system (b) see the error of your ways (c) return the money. A certain amount of grovelling, frenzied apology, and piteous pleas for mercy may also be involved. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Well, BB is at work again - maybe?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's a BB ? Here's my .02 cents worth. I have been watching e-gold's behaviour over the past few months and my feeling is that the company is just another BB operation. I am amazed at the callous disregard they have for their customers and I am moving all my funds out as soon as they come in. As for OSgold's smell, it is a helluva lot sweeter than the foul odor emanating out of e-gold. Kaare Bursell Bona-fide Business Which is of course irksome to those less so. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: OsGold Guaranteed Investments
Eve wrote: Special Indeed! I see OSGold not only offers storage of our money but also ways to increase it. * Guaranteed Investment Opportunities * Business Start-Ups and Advice From professionals * Discounts on Business Start-ups and hosting options * OffShore Banking Options * And SO MUCH MORE This shower constitutes the competition of which e-gold is (according to some) afraid? *pfft, choke, laughing* Perhaps my cynicism is showing? --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Tril's E-Gold Directory
Michael Moore wrote: Steve, I am sorry to hear you have had problems with Heap of Gold. Tril has made a useful list of gold related links but the list of market makers are not accredited. It strikes me that list of all market makers and list of accredited market makers are both useful things to have, so long as there is explict warning of accreditation or the lack thereof. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: Guaranteed investments
Samuel Mc Kee wrote: Just skimming the FAQ raises a few alarming red flags. Most notably, here's another program that asks people to send _cash_ through the mail to complete strangers. Oh yeah, that's something a responsible adult would do. Right. I'd do so in some circumstances - it's a good way to avoid involving the Feds. Which cuts both ways. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
