Re: [expert] Netscape from KDE

[Icebreaker]

Correct me if I'm wrong (which I am frequently ;) )

The system call from perl should execute the command
from your current directory.  Thus, it shouldn't need to
reset the working directory (unless I've misunderstood
you).  Btw, why does it need to reset the working 
directory, just curious.  


>I know perl, but your script isn't equivalent; it doesn't reset the
>working
>directory, which is the whole point of the script.
>
>While I write lots of things in perl (I even wrote a maze-generation
>program in perl!), I don't actually know how to get it to change the
>working directory in-line for the perl code.
>
>Do you?

>> > #! /bin/csh -f
>> >
>> > cd /home/bts/xfer
>> > /usr/bin/netscape $*
>> >

Re: [expert] two questions...

[Icebreaker]

Just on an off shot, is your sound card configured correctly?

>From what I see, both problems are related.


-Original Message-
From: Joe Heafner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, April 10, 2000 5:55 PM
Subject: [expert] two questions...


>Hello.
>
>1) I can't seem to enable desktop sounds in an Enlightenment (Gnome)
>session. I try to enable the sounds, but I get an error message about
>not being able to communicate with the esound daemon.
>
>2) In my .xsession-errors file, I see lots of lines about an maudio file
>that can't be opened. What's this all about?
>
>Thanks.
>-- 
>Joe Heafner -- Astronomy/Physics Instructor 828-327-7000, ext. 4246
>My Book 
>My Home Page 
>CVAC Home Page 
>Linux! Why did it take me so long to try it?
>

Re: [expert] Encrypt utility missing....

[Icebreaker]

Sorry,
I misunderstood what you were saying.
it should be in /bin, /usr/bin, /sbin, /usr/sbin
do a 'locate encrypt'

Mine lib for it is in /usr/lib so it should be in /usr/bin
>>
>> Seems that the file utilty, encrypt is missing from the distro.  If it is
>>not, where is that file located at?  For I cannot for life of me locate
>that
>>utility which I needed for my script for the adduser.
>>
>> So.. I hope you can locate it and point me to the correct direction so I
>>can grab it and use it.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [expert] Encrypt utility missing....

[Jean-Louis Debert]

Russell \"Elik\" Rademacher wrote:
> 
> Hey Guys guess what.
> 
> Seems that the file utilty, encrypt is missing from the distro.  If it is
> not, where is that file located at?  For I cannot for life of me locate that
> utility which I needed for my script for the adduser.

Are you sure it's a standalone utility ? As far as I remember, the
crypt()
function is part of the (g)libc, so you can use it in any development
environment.
As to Mandrake, I guess that it also uses PAM modules, so have a look 
into this too ...


-- 
Jean-Louis Debert[EMAIL PROTECTED]
74 Annemasse  France
old Linux fan

Re: [expert] Office Suite for Linux

[Pj]

As a Linux newbie I think it's very important to understand the
differences between A nd B for instance as it relates to accomplishing a
task. Using the correct terminology helps to get us there. 

I've lived in different parts of the US. The one thing I notice is that
a common item like a screwdriver or file can be called by a different
name in the different regions. Don't ask a guy from the Ozarks for a
"flat bastard"- ask for the smallest contact file he has. (BTW, it's
also an indestructable nail file.) And don't call a Yankee, "boy."  

>From what I've understand of Linux it seems to have nuances and plenty
of them. We are never to old to learn. 

Pj

Re: [expert] Dial on demand

[Wang Jian]

Your dreaming has been reality for quite a while :-)

I currently use diald and it works great.

Tuesday, April 11, 2000, 9:35:25 AM, you wrote:

RB> It seems to me that I read something the other day about a module or
RB> something to setup dial on demand for a ppp firewall/router. Is there
RB> such a thing or am I just dreaming?




-- 
  lark

RE: [expert] Dial on demand

[Russ Johnson]

You're probably thinking of diald. However, diald is no longer needed. Put
"ondemand" in your ppp "options" file, and ppp will dial on demand.

Read the pppd man page for specifics. You may also want to look at persist
and I think it's "idle".

Russ

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Richard Bonebrake
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 6:35 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [expert] Dial on demand


It seems to me that I read something the other day about a module or
something to setup dial on demand for a ppp firewall/router. Is there
such a thing or am I just dreaming?

Re: [expert] Netscape from KDE

[Icebreaker]

ok, to switch the working directory back, you can do one of three things
1st  system(cd [dir]);
2nd chdir (dirname)
for this one, you may need to set the umask.
remember with umask, you are turning OFF bits, so
set it reverse of what you would chmod
3rd chroot (dirname)
this one may also need to have the umask set.

The last two would only make sence if you were doing a lot more stuff in the
script.  The first one, you'd enter it just like you would on the command
line except 'system ('  and ')' surround the command.  There are tons of
other ways you can pretty much do this, but I think these are the easiest.

As for perl, I've pretty much converted most of my other scripts to it.
IMHO, it is a lot more powerful than any other scripting/interpreted
language I've seen (and yes I've seen Java)
-Original Message-
From: Brian T. Schellenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 12:01 AM
Subject: Re: [expert] Netscape from KDE


>
>I know perl, but your script isn't equivalent; it doesn't reset the
>working
>directory, which is the whole point of the script.
>
>While I write lots of things in perl (I even wrote a maze-generation
>program in perl!), I don't actually know how to get it to change the
>working directory in-line for the perl code.
>
>Do you?
>
>Moreover, it *IS* successfully executing the netscape from within the
>browse command as demonstrated by the fact that:
>
>a) It works when I type "browse" in a shell prompt.
>b) It works when I type "browse" at the command prompt.
>c) It works even from the kpanel when there's a Netscape
>   process already up.
>
>So it seems pretty far-fetched to me to suppose that re-writing it in
>perl
>would fix anything.  Nonetheless if you'll tell me how to do it, I'm
>willing
>to give it a shot.
>
>Icebreaker wrote:
>>
>> This might work better:
>> This is the code, rename it to your script name and make it accessable
>> (backup your old one)
>> Also, make sure the path to perl is correct.  To see type:
>> 'which perl'
>>  |
>> \/
>> #!/usr/bin/perl -w
>>
>> ###
>> # perl script to start netscape
>> ###
>>
>> # this may need quotes around the path, use double quotes
>> system (/usr/bin/netscape);
>>
>> #end of code
>>
>> the script calls the system to execute the command.
>> It should work, let me know if it doesn't.  If you want to learn more
about
>> perl go to www.perl.com
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Brian T. Schellenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: Monday, April 10, 2000 2:48 PM
>> Subject: [expert] Netscape from KDE
>>
>> >
>> >I have a very simple "browse" command, like this:
>> >
>> > #! /bin/csh -f
>> >
>> > cd /home/bts/xfer
>> > /usr/bin/netscape $*
>> >
>> >If I type it in in a shell, it works fine.
>> >If I type it in the pop-up KDE command window, it works fine.
>> >But from my panel, it doesn't work fine.
>> >
>> >Under execute I have this:
>> >
>> >/home/bts/bin/browse
>> >
>> >Now, here's the weird part . . .
>> >
>> >If I already have a Netscape window up, it works fine from kpanel, so
>> >I *know* that netscape is getting executed--it can hook up to an
>> >already-existant netscape process without trouble.
>> >
>> >But my "browse" command fails from kpanel if there's no netscape up
>> >already.
>> >
>> >Any ideas?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >--
>> >"Brian, the man from babbleon-on"   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >Brian T. Schellenberger http://www.babbleon.org
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>
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Re: [expert] Office Suite for Linux

[Brian T. Schellenberger]

Well, I would argue that if it is not well-known, it is by definition
not useful.

Language is useful only if shared and, as my posting demonstrated, this
distinction
is simply not being observed in the real world.

My guess: This is a distinction that was once observed but has fallen
out of use.
It's a bit like the way I cringe when "hacker" is used for "cracker,"
but presumably
one that was lost earlier (ie, before my time).

I've finally had to admit that the battle to make "hacker" primarly a
compliment
has been lost, as has the battle for the word "gay" to mean
"happy-go-lucky."  I
suggest you might want to similarly adjust to what "emulator" means now,
even if
it's "wrong."


Ron Stodden wrote:
> 
> "Brian T. Schellenberger" wrote:
> >
> > I don't think so.
> >
> > I've been in the computer field professionally for 19 years, and I have
> > never heard this distinction raised.
> 
> One can always learn.  It is a useful distinction, but not
> well-known.
> 
> Re your professional 19 years, mine are 37.
> 
> --
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Ron. [AU] - sent by Linux.

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Re: [expert] Encrypt utility missing....

[Icebreaker]

Are you trying to compile something?  Encrypt must be included with the
system, or it wouldn't work.  The passwd utility depends on this.  If you're
trying to compile, make sure you are adding the call for the encrypt
library.  It must be explicitly called, consult your How-To's and/or
compiler man page.  I think it is called with either -lcrypt, or -lencrypt.

But it is there :)

-Original Message-
From: Russell "Elik" Rademacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, April 10, 2000 9:57 PM
Subject: [expert] Encrypt utility missing


>Hey Guys guess what.
>
> Seems that the file utilty, encrypt is missing from the distro.  If it is
>not, where is that file located at?  For I cannot for life of me locate
that
>utility which I needed for my script for the adduser.
>
> So.. I hope you can locate it and point me to the correct direction so I
>can grab it and use it.
>
> Thanks.
>
>

Re: [expert] Dial on demand

[Eugene C. Zesch]

Richard Bonebrake wrote:
> 
> It seems to me that I read something the other day about a module or
> something to setup dial on demand for a ppp firewall/router. Is there
> such a thing or am I just dreaming?

Yes, you can put a demand option in /etc/ppp/options,
along with anidle  xxx  option to kill the connection after xxx
seconds of inactivity. Works like a charm. See man ppp or
http://www.nic.com/~cannon/Linux/#dod
 
Gene

Re: [expert] Encrypt utility missing....

[Tom Berkley]

There is no executable encrypt on my system but it adds users without
any problem. If you want to find something use the locate command (ie
locate encrypt). If locate barfs, run updatedb first. Then locate will
find anything on your system in a very few seconds.

Tom

Russell \"Elik\" Rademacher wrote:
> 
> Hey Guys guess what.
> 
> Seems that the file utilty, encrypt is missing from the distro.  If it is
> not, where is that file located at?  For I cannot for life of me locate that
> utility which I needed for my script for the adduser.
> 
> So.. I hope you can locate it and point me to the correct direction so I
> can grab it and use it.
> 
> Thanks.

Re: [expert] KDE RPM dependencies

[Tom Berkley]

Interesting. I have a complete kde install and there is no dpkg file to
be found anywhere on my system. I also do not understand what you mean
when you say that you installed a minimal installation.

Tom

PS
Hint ( different from an insult): Most problems with linux are operator
related problems. I have a very high iq, several degrees, and lots of
experience with computers and this is still true for me. Careful with
your assumptions.

Charles Curley wrote:
> 
> Arrgh.
> 
> I have installed a minimal installation of KDE, with the idea that if I
> need something I can just install it. This isn't working because the
> dependcies don't seem to be enforced.
> 
> Case in point: I decided to rey the KDE RPM manager, so I installed it. No
> problem, except that when I go to find something, I get: "Kprocess error:
> can't find dpkg." If you have to kave dpkg to run kpackage, shouldn't it
> be a dependency enforced at install time?
> 
> --
> 
> -- C^2
> 
> No windows were crashed in the making of this email.
> 
> Looking for fine software and/or web pages?
> http://w3.trib.com/~ccurley

Re: [expert] failed to stat /net

[Tom Berkley]

You may just want to visit the following website and get version 6.0 in
rpm format:
http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/aladdin/get601.html
I think that you will find that 6.0 has what you want and it works.

Tom


Klar Brian D Contr MSG/SWS wrote:
> 
> What is this telling me
> 
> [root@Mrroboto brian]# rpm -Uvh ghostscript-hp8xx-5.50-5.i386.rpm --force
> failed to stat /net: Input/output error
> 
> Brian D. Klar - CVE
> OTS
> WPAFB
> (937)257-5773
> 937-973-3125 (Pager)

Re: [expert] Wine Is Not an Emulator

[Brian T. Schellenberger]

The reason that *anybody* would care ('cause I'd imagine that by the end
of
the thread a lot of people were wondering the same thing) is because the
original post was discussing the speed of execution.

An emulator is inherently slow; an API is not.

However, if you want to run no Windows software, you don't care about
that, either.

I admire your detachment, but there's still software aplenty that is
under Windows that's not under Linux yet.  Though less every day.


Bill Beauchemin wrote:
> 
> Who cares if WINE is an emulator or not. I run Linux to get away from
> those crappy Winblows apps that MicroSnot shoves at ya with all there
> bugs. Why would I want to go backwards.
> 
> Bill Beauchemin
> Sunnyvale MDC Control Center
> GlobalCenter
> (a Global Crossing company)
> 888-541-9888



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Re: [expert] Netscape from KDE

[Brian T. Schellenberger]

I know perl, but your script isn't equivalent; it doesn't reset the
working
directory, which is the whole point of the script.

While I write lots of things in perl (I even wrote a maze-generation
program in perl!), I don't actually know how to get it to change the
working directory in-line for the perl code.

Do you?

Moreover, it *IS* successfully executing the netscape from within the
browse command as demonstrated by the fact that:

a) It works when I type "browse" in a shell prompt.
b) It works when I type "browse" at the command prompt.
c) It works even from the kpanel when there's a Netscape
   process already up.

So it seems pretty far-fetched to me to suppose that re-writing it in
perl
would fix anything.  Nonetheless if you'll tell me how to do it, I'm
willing
to give it a shot.

Icebreaker wrote:
> 
> This might work better:
> This is the code, rename it to your script name and make it accessable
> (backup your old one)
> Also, make sure the path to perl is correct.  To see type:
> 'which perl'
>  |
> \/
> #!/usr/bin/perl -w
> 
> ###
> # perl script to start netscape
> ###
> 
> # this may need quotes around the path, use double quotes
> system (/usr/bin/netscape);
> 
> #end of code
> 
> the script calls the system to execute the command.
> It should work, let me know if it doesn't.  If you want to learn more about
> perl go to www.perl.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Brian T. Schellenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Monday, April 10, 2000 2:48 PM
> Subject: [expert] Netscape from KDE
> 
> >
> >I have a very simple "browse" command, like this:
> >
> > #! /bin/csh -f
> >
> > cd /home/bts/xfer
> > /usr/bin/netscape $*
> >
> >If I type it in in a shell, it works fine.
> >If I type it in the pop-up KDE command window, it works fine.
> >But from my panel, it doesn't work fine.
> >
> >Under execute I have this:
> >
> >/home/bts/bin/browse
> >
> >Now, here's the weird part . . .
> >
> >If I already have a Netscape window up, it works fine from kpanel, so
> >I *know* that netscape is getting executed--it can hook up to an
> >already-existant netscape process without trouble.
> >
> >But my "browse" command fails from kpanel if there's no netscape up
> >already.
> >
> >Any ideas?
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >"Brian, the man from babbleon-on"   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Brian T. Schellenberger http://www.babbleon.org
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> >

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Re: [expert] Netscape from KDE

[Brian T. Schellenberger]

John Aldrich wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, you wrote:
> > I have a very simple "browse" command, like this:
> >
> >   #! /bin/csh -f
> >
> >   cd /home/bts/xfer
> >   /usr/bin/netscape $*
> >
> Ok. I'll bite. Why the shell script? Why not just tell
> Netscape to execute directly and then put the default
> "download" directory to /home/bts/xfer? Netscape DOES have
> a default download directory, you know...
> John

Well, no, actually, I didn't know that.
I just reviewed the options I can find in netscape, as a matter of fact,
and I don't see anything to control that.  Nor can I find anything about
it in the on-line help.

If you can tell me how, though, I'd appreciate knowing about it . . . as
you surmised, the reason I change the directory is to set the default
download location.

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[expert] Need someone to point DNS

[Orlando Lewis]

Does anyone know of a quality service that will point DNS to an IP address?

[expert] Dial on demand

[Richard Bonebrake]

It seems to me that I read something the other day about a module or
something to setup dial on demand for a ppp firewall/router. Is there
such a thing or am I just dreaming?

Re: [expert] Office Suite for Linux

[Lane Lester]

I'm very interested in the Subject of this thread and a bit disappointed that
it has wandered afield into the nature of WINE.

I installed Corel WordPerfect Office 2000 for Linux today, and it looks great.
I'm sure I'll find shortcomings, but this is a great package for $88.
(TigerDirect $108-$20 rebate).
-- 
Lane

Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA
Using Linux to get where I want to go...

RE: [expert] Can't Break X Autostart

[Lane Lester]

Brian T. Schellenberger said:
> Also, w/r/t to your previous comment on the same topic, he pasted in a
> big of his init script.  He seems to start at runlevel 3 and then get
> mysteriously switched to runlevel 5.

> Nonetheless, pasting in his entire /etc/inittab and /etc/lilo.conf
> files is probably good advice . . .

I sent my lilo.conf, and my inittab is below my sig.
-- 
Lane

Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA
Using Linux to get where I want to go...

id:3:initdefault:

# System initialization.
si::sysinit:/etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit

l0:0:wait:/etc/rc.d/rc 0
l1:1:wait:/etc/rc.d/rc 1
l2:2:wait:/etc/rc.d/rc 2
l3:3:wait:/etc/rc.d/rc 3
l4:4:wait:/etc/rc.d/rc 4
l5:5:wait:/etc/rc.d/rc 5
l6:6:wait:/etc/rc.d/rc 6

# Things to run in every runlevel.
# commented out by Lane
# ud::once:/sbin/update

# Trap CTRL-ALT-DELETE
ca::ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t3 -r now

# Run gettys in standard runlevels
1:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty1
2:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty2
3:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty3
4:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty4
5:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty5
6:2345:respawn:/sbin/mgetty ttyS1

# Run xdm in runlevel 5
# xdm is now a separate service
#x:5:respawn:/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon
#x:5:respawn:ps alwf > /root/ps-output

Re: [expert] Can't Break X Autostart

[Lane Lester]

Brian T. Schellenberger said:
> I didn't mean rc.local; I meant /etc/rc.d/init.d

That directory holds the following:
anacron* gpm*   linuxconf-setup@ postfix* usb*
apmd*halt*  lpd* postgresql*  vmware*
atd* inet*  mandrake_everytime*  random*  xfs*
autofs*  innd*  mandrake_firstime*   routed*  xntpd*
crond*   keytable*  mysql*   single*
dhcpd*   killall*   netfs*   smb*
fonttastic*  kudzu* network* snmpd*
functions*   ldap*  numlock* syslog*

I wonder if it could be the linuxconf-setup link. Just before the switch to
runlevel 5, there is some linuxconf stuff, including a line I don't remember
from the original install, "Dropin's commands" or something like that. I =did=
install a newer version of linuxconf.
-- 
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Using Linux to get where I want to go...

Re: [expert] Office Suite for Linux

[Stephen F. Bosch]

Sheldon Lee-Wen wrote:

> Whatever version there is for linux. I think it's 5.5.6 beta 2.
> Anyhow, for some reason yesterday it stopped working. My luck eh.

It heard you complain about the UI. Serves you right.

*grin*

-Stephen-

Re: [expert] Where are all the FIXES for XXXX BUGS????

[Nitin Raja Bhatia]

Whats with g++'s  location??

shouldn't it be  /usr/lib/libg++.so.* instead of 
/usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libg++.so.*
update me if I am wrong.

Cheers,
Raja

On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, Pj wrote:
> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:41:14 -0500
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> From: Pj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [expert] Where are all the FIXES for  BUGS
> 
> Be patient. This list does have developers who do listen. One of them
> might even talk to you privately to address your concerns. Mandrake
> rocks as you will find out in due time. 
> 
> Pj
> Alen Salamun wrote:
> > 
> > Hi!
> > 
> > I have never seen a single "Update" for some critical bugs like:
> > 
> > - g++ won't compile (includes not found)
> > - kernel won't compile if make mrproper not issued before
> > - uucp has wrong privileges on /var/log...
> > - fetchmail is missing rmail
> > - kpilot DOESN'T WORK AT ALL! (Jpilot works OK)
> > ...
> > 
> > So what is the policy of updates by MANDRAKE? Hey I REALLY like
> this
> > distribution and started recomending it all over, but this is not the
> > right way
> > 
> > bye, Alen
> > --
> > *---*
> > *E-Mail: Alen Salamun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>*
> > *   LiNUX - The choice of GNU Generation!   *
> > *---*
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Re: [expert] Office Suite for Linux

[Ron Stodden]

"Brian T. Schellenberger" wrote:
> 
> I don't think so.
> 
> I've been in the computer field professionally for 19 years, and I have
> never heard this distinction raised.  

One can always learn.  It is a useful distinction, but not
well-known.

Re your professional 19 years, mine are 37.

-- 

Regards,

Ron. [AU] - sent by Linux.

[expert] Encrypt utility missing....

[Russell \"Elik\" Rademacher]

Hey Guys guess what.

Seems that the file utilty, encrypt is missing from the distro.  If it is
not, where is that file located at?  For I cannot for life of me locate that
utility which I needed for my script for the adduser.

So.. I hope you can locate it and point me to the correct direction so I
can grab it and use it.

Thanks.

[expert] KDE RPM dependencies

[Charles Curley]

Arrgh.

I have installed a minimal installation of KDE, with the idea that if I
need something I can just install it. This isn't working because the
dependcies don't seem to be enforced.

Case in point: I decided to rey the KDE RPM manager, so I installed it. No
problem, except that when I go to find something, I get: "Kprocess error:
can't find dpkg." If you have to kave dpkg to run kpackage, shouldn't it
be a dependency enforced at install time?

-- 

-- C^2

No windows were crashed in the making of this email.

Looking for fine software and/or web pages?
http://w3.trib.com/~ccurley

Re: [expert] Where are all the FIXES for XXXX BUGS????

[Pj]

Be patient. This list does have developers who do listen. One of them
might even talk to you privately to address your concerns. Mandrake
rocks as you will find out in due time. 

Pj
Alen Salamun wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> I have never seen a single "Update" for some critical bugs like:
> 
> - g++ won't compile (includes not found)
> - kernel won't compile if make mrproper not issued before
> - uucp has wrong privileges on /var/log...
> - fetchmail is missing rmail
> - kpilot DOESN'T WORK AT ALL! (Jpilot works OK)
> ...
> 
> So what is the policy of updates by MANDRAKE? Hey I REALLY like this
> distribution and started recomending it all over, but this is not the
> right way
> 
> bye, Alen
> --
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> *E-Mail: Alen Salamun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>*
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[expert] Sparc/Ultra kernel fails with kernel panic at boot

[Leif Sawyer]

i used elftoaout and net'booted the kernel.  It's
still failing in the same area of the kernel, which is
interesting...

>> esp0: IRQ3,7e0 SCSI ID 7 Clk 40Mhz CCF=8 TOut 167  NCR53C9XF (espfast)
>> IRQ: Trying to share non-PCI bucket
>> Kernel panic: Cannot acquire ESP irq line
>> Press L1-A to return to the boot prom

hmm..  i'm beginning to think that Ultra's aren't that great of a box
anymore..

Thanks for your help.. i'm not sure what else to try at this point, and it
doesn't
seem like there are many other souls out there who are attempting/running
this.

Leif

> -Original Message-
> From: Aaron Dewell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 11:56 AM
> To: Leif Sawyer
> Subject: RE: Sparc/Linux users out there...
>
>
>
> Give this image a shot.  It's ELF, so you'll have to load it
> from SILO, not from the PROM, or run elftoaout on it before
> loading it.
>
> If it doesn't work, let me know and I'll try it again.
>
>

Re: [expert] Office Suite for Linux

[Sheldon Lee-Wen]

> Well, now that Adobe owns it, the UI might improve -- they're on version
> 6, is that what you have installed?

Whatever version there is for linux. I think it's 5.5.6 beta 2.
Anyhow, for some reason yesterday it stopped working. My luck eh.

Sheldon.

Re: [expert] Netscape from KDE

[Icebreaker]

This might work better:
This is the code, rename it to your script name and make it accessable
(backup your old one)
Also, make sure the path to perl is correct.  To see type:
'which perl'
 |
\/
#!/usr/bin/perl -w

###
# perl script to start netscape
###

# this may need quotes around the path, use double quotes
system (/usr/bin/netscape);

#end of code

the script calls the system to execute the command.
It should work, let me know if it doesn't.  If you want to learn more about
perl go to www.perl.com

-Original Message-
From: Brian T. Schellenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, April 10, 2000 2:48 PM
Subject: [expert] Netscape from KDE


>
>I have a very simple "browse" command, like this:
>
> #! /bin/csh -f
>
> cd /home/bts/xfer
> /usr/bin/netscape $*
>
>If I type it in in a shell, it works fine.
>If I type it in the pop-up KDE command window, it works fine.
>But from my panel, it doesn't work fine.
>
>Under execute I have this:
>
>/home/bts/bin/browse
>
>Now, here's the weird part . . .
>
>If I already have a Netscape window up, it works fine from kpanel, so
>I *know* that netscape is getting executed--it can hook up to an
>already-existant netscape process without trouble.
>
>But my "browse" command fails from kpanel if there's no netscape up
>already.
>
>Any ideas?
>
>
>
>--
>"Brian, the man from babbleon-on"   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Brian T. Schellenberger http://www.babbleon.org
>Support http://www.eff.org. Support decss defendents.
>Support http://www.programming-freedom.org. Boycott amazon.com.
>

[expert] reverse DNS

[Pj]

Regarding reverse DNS: I've noticed that some SPAM messages with bogux
names and addresses are using reverse numbers in the message headers. 
the sequence is fake, but the numbers are real. 

If anyone understands how this bogus stuff gets thru I'd like to know.
You can post me privately if you don't want to start a thread. 

Pj 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [expert] LILO & IDE CD-Writer

[Lane Lester]

John Aldrich said:
>  > Actually, I included =only= the cd-writer (hdc) in lilo.conf. That's just
>  > one of the strange things about the unspecified zip (hdd) being
>  > "captured" by the ide-scsi thing.
>  >
>  Probably because the Zip will work with SCSI emulation just
>  as well as the CDR. You might try SPECIFYING the Zip drive
>  as well...

Hey, that's an interesting idea! I'll try it a bit later. Right now I've
managed to screw up the install of Corel WordPerfect Office 2000 for Linux that
came today, and I'm trying to salvage that. 
-- 
Lane

Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA
Using Linux to get where I want to go...

Re: [expert] time/date (OT)

[Leopold Palomo]

After all of this information I only want to put a URL that put useful
information an a list of time server than can help for this proposes

http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/

Leo


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Re: [expert] LILO & IDE CD-Writer

[Lane Lester]

Larry Sword said:
>  I suppose it doesn't hurt to ask: You have set the jumper switches on the
>  cd-rom and zip drive to the correct master and slave configuration?

It sure doesn't hurt me!  Yes, both the BIOS and Win98 recognize the drives
correctly.
-- 
Lane

Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA
Using Linux to get where I want to go...

Re: [expert] Where are all the FIXES for XXXX BUGS????

[Alen Salamun]

John Aldrich wrote:
> Which version of Mandrake do you have? They do not appear
> to put out updates for older versions (i.e. 6.0, 6.1/6.5)
Hi!

I am using 7.0! And ofcourse, I would think they'll support the newest
version...
Hmmm...Maybe the lack people doing it...

Bye, Alen
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Re: [expert] What is going on with BUG tracking??

[Stephen F. Bosch]

Alen Salamun wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> I have submited over a dozen of bugs, THAT ARE NOT IN BUG ARCHIVE YET
> and got no replay, and bugs are not added! What is going on on this
> field??

That's because they were evaluated and found not to be bugs.

You are attributing configuration errors to bugs. I suggest you go back
to the drawing board, or come back to the list with a specific
description of your problems so that we can help you out.

-Stephen-

Re: [expert] Several Problems

[John Connell]

> Next thing is, is there a site or something where I can order this?
>
> The local computer dealer adds heafty charges on ordering, let alone his
> personal markup


Phoebe Microsystems external modem with the TI chipset is model #
CMV1456VQE-XV90.
You can order this by calling Hi-Tech USA and ask Phoebe (coincidence!) to
order you one, make sure you tell her it is the one with the TI chipset. It
is also a good idea to email a confirmation as her English is a little hard
to understand. I had mine within a weeks time. $52 with $10 shipping. I live
in Michigan and they are in California. You can get thier phone # from thier
website---
http://www.hitech-usa.com/

Re: [expert] Several Problems

[Pj]

Phoebe modems and a list of distributors: 

http://www.phoebemicro.com/ 

PJ

[expert] cron and rmmod?

[vern]

On looking at my logs I wondered
is it absolutely necessary to have
cron run rmmod -as every ten minutes?
I have a lot of strange hard drive
activity about two minutes after I boot
up.  It's like something is checking out
the file system or something.  But there
is no entry in any log that I can see as to
what this activity is.  Any clues?  No errors
or no problems so far (been running Mdk 7.0
for two days so far) just curious.
Thanks for reading this!
Vern

Re: [expert] How to quit getting mail

[vern]

You can still turn it on and off
from the website I'm back on from
being off for almost a week. 
Vern

On Sun, 09 Apr 2000, you wrote:
> Lee Binkley wrote:
> > 
> > How do you get off this mailing list..
> > please advise.
> 
> How did you get on this mailing list?
> 
> -Stephen-

[expert] Fine tuning my PPP?

[vern]

Hello All!
On modifying my options on the
PPP service to work with my raggedy
old 24K intermittent phone lines.
I've set my MTU, and MRU to 296
to minimize the packet fragmentation.
(I hope) I ran across the "noipx" command
an wondered what "IPX" stood for, do I
need it? And why should I care??   Every
single packet is precious and I need every
clock cycle I can latch on to!
Thanks for any help!
Vern

Re: [expert] Where are all the FIXES for XXXX BUGS????

[Stephen F. Bosch]

Alen Salamun wrote:

> I have never seen a single "Update" for some critical bugs like:
> 
> - g++ won't compile (includes not found)

Is this happening in 7? It doesn't in 6.1.

> - kernel won't compile if make mrproper not issued before
> - uucp has wrong privileges on /var/log...
> - fetchmail is missing rmail
> - kpilot DOESN'T WORK AT ALL! (Jpilot works OK)

Are you sure these are bugs?

-Stephen-

Re: [expert] kppp prevents other X apps from opening

[Stephen F. Bosch]

John Aldrich wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 09 Apr 2000, you wrote:
> > It's a feature, not a critical function. If you use an application that
> > relies on reverse DNS lookups (some IP applications do), then the
> > reverse lookup will fail if your hostname doesn't match the real FQDN.
> > If you have a dialup connection to the internet that causes your
> > hostname to change everytime you call, then you have several choices:
> >
> I repeat my initial question: Name a program which requires
> Reverse Authentication on YOUR side.

Well, I've had this problem with telnet. When hostnames were incorrect,
the telnet connection would hang for some time, then eventually go
through.

Not many people are going to be running telnet services on a dialup, but
I can see it being useful, particularly if somebody cannot afford a
full-time dedicated connection.

> For example, we have a BUNCH of IP addresses that we
> randomly assign to dial-up users. One of them is
> 209.140.61.160, which resolves to:
> "209.1tnt1-160.highertech.net." If I *happened* to be that
> person who got that IP address randomly assigned to me, I
> couldn't be reverse authenticated to a particular machine
> name on my system. For example, my home system is "slave1."
> Try looking up the hostname, "slave1.highertech.net." It
> doesn't exist.

That's right. 

Some applications do a reverse DNS, though, and they'll want to see an
accurate hostname (or they'll be hunting in vain for an IP to match the
IP of the incoming packets - hence telnet's hang).

What kppp does with this feature is automatically configure the hostname
based on the FQDN of the IP you are assigned when you dial-in, so that
these reverse DNS lookups work properly.

-Stephen-

Re: [expert] Wine Is Not an Emulator

[Pj]

LOL!! I'm sorry but I just can't imagine a real windblows program that's
stable. I've found four in six years that I consider reliable. I think
it's kind of a sad epitaph for a OS that coulda, whoulda, shoulda been
great, but failed miserably due to ego and greed, imho. 

Pj
John Aldrich wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, you wrote:
> > Let's see if I got this right: Wine is neither an adapter or emulator,
> > but instead uses API's to allow Windows programs to run on Linux.
> >
> > I think it's a great idea, but I have one question. Will Windows
> > software be just as unpredictable and crash-prone when run under Linux?
> >
> >From what people are saying, Windows software is MUCH more
> stable under Wine than Windows. :-)
> John

Re: [expert] Can't Break X Autostart

[Stephen F. Bosch]

"Brian T. Schellenberger" wrote:
> 
> Actually, we've *already* solved his problem in a practical sense.
> He's got his system operating as he wants it.
> 
> He's just indulging us in trying to solve the mystery of why it was
> acting oddly in the first place, and a re-install won't accomplish
> *that*!

Exactly -- this is a significant learning opportunity.

Poor Lane.

-Stephen-

Re: [expert] Wine Is Not an Emulator

[John Aldrich]

On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, you wrote:
> Who cares if WINE is an emulator or not. I run Linux to get away from
> those crappy Winblows apps that MicroSnot shoves at ya with all there
> bugs. Why would I want to go backwards. 
> 
'Cause there's a few DARN nice programs that are ONLY
available under Windoze -- Forte Agent is one that comes to
mind immediately. Although I haven't yet run Agent under
Wine, I would LOVE to be sure it would work, as that's one
of the few reasons I keep Windows on hand these days...
John

RE: [expert] Where are all the FIXES for XXXX BUGS????

[Andrew Post]

Often the bug fixes end up in Cooker, not on the updates page. You're fairly
safe with Cooker rpms if the version number only differs by the rpm build
number (i.e. 2.2-14 vs. 2.2-15). I agree that Mandrake needs to put more
effort into maintaining the updates page. The bug fixes are usually in
Cooker; someone just needs to test them and make them officially available.

Andrew

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Alen Salamun
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 3:25 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [expert] Where are all the FIXES for  BUGS


Hi!

I have never seen a single "Update" for some critical bugs like:

- g++ won't compile (includes not found)
- kernel won't compile if make mrproper not issued before
- uucp has wrong privileges on /var/log...
- fetchmail is missing rmail
- kpilot DOESN'T WORK AT ALL! (Jpilot works OK)
...

So what is the policy of updates by MANDRAKE? Hey I REALLY like this
distribution and started recomending it all over, but this is not the
right way

bye, Alen
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Re: [expert] Several Problems

[Icebreaker]

Next thing is, is there a site or something where I can order this?

The local computer dealer adds heafty charges on ordering, let alone his
personal markup
-Original Message-
From: John Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, April 10, 2000 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [expert] Several Problems


>
>I am using both a Phoebe Microsytems external with the TI chipset and a USR
>5686-03 external fax modem both work well with Linux (and BeOS).
>
>John
>
>
>> Icebreaker,
>>
>> I can only repeat what has been said about modems. Winmodems don't work
>> in Linux too good. Yes, a win-linux-modem is being developed.
>>
>> The modem that does work for Linux very well, and right now, uses a TI
>> chipset from Texas Instruments. Phoebe internal and external uses it on
>> some models and the USR Sportster external 56K  modem uses it. I can
>> only attest to the USR external. It works in Windows and L-M6.0 without
>> any problems. I turned it on and used KPPP the first time and every time
>> thereafter.
>>
>> The money you spend on a TI chipset will more than make up for the
>> aggravation you are experiencing right now.
>>
>> Pj
>>
>
>

Re: [expert] Where are all the FIXES for XXXX BUGS????

[John Aldrich]

On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, you wrote:
> So what is the policy of updates by MANDRAKE? Hey I REALLY like this
> distribution and started recomending it all over, but this is not the
> right way
> 
Which version of Mandrake do you have? They do not appear
to put out updates for older versions (i.e. 6.0, 6.1/6.5)
once they've come out with a new release they appear to no
longer actively support the previous versions, which is
unfortunate, in my opinion.
At least RedHat will continue to provide updates for
previous releases. :-(
John

Re: [expert] Several Problems

[Glyn Millington]

Hm.

Try the latest kernel on the Cooker. It contains the  module you
need for this (well I have a CMI8738 - and it works.)

Kernel 2.2.15-0.18mdk

Instructions for installing a new kernel are available on
Mandrake User org.

HTH

Glyn M.


On Mon, Apr 10, 2000 at 12:32:05PM -0400, thus spake Icebreaker:

> 2)Sound Card:  C-Media CMI8738/C3DX
> a)it isn't detected when I run sndconfig (pnp autodetector)
> In Win98 it's listed as PCI and Legacy, but in BIOS
> it lists Legacy on the IRQ
> I can't even get this to work
> 
-- 
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   * Douglas Hoftstatder*
   **

[expert] two questions...

[Joe Heafner]

Hello.

1) I can't seem to enable desktop sounds in an Enlightenment (Gnome)
session. I try to enable the sounds, but I get an error message about
not being able to communicate with the esound daemon.

2) In my .xsession-errors file, I see lots of lines about an maudio file
that can't be opened. What's this all about?

Thanks.
-- 
Joe Heafner -- Astronomy/Physics Instructor 828-327-7000, ext. 4246
My Book 
My Home Page 
CVAC Home Page 
Linux! Why did it take me so long to try it?

Re: [expert] LILO & IDE CD-Writer

[Larry Sword]

Lane Lester wrote:

> Brian T. Schellenberger said:
> >  Well, of course, the zip drive *should* be 0,1 and the CD-RW *should*
> >  be 0,0, given that the zip drives on hdd and the CD-RW on hdc (unless,
> >  perhaps, you specified both of them on the lilo.conf in reverse order,
> >  but I'm sure you didn't do that).
>
> Actually, I included =only= the cd-writer (hdc) in lilo.conf. That's just
> one of the strange things about the unspecified zip (hdd) being
> "captured" by the ide-scsi thing.

I suppose it doesn't hurt to ask: You have set the jumper switches on the
cd-rom and zip drive to the correct master and slave configuration?




> --
> Lane
> 
> Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA
> Using Linux to get where I want to go...

[expert] Where are all the FIXES for XXXX BUGS????

[Alen Salamun]

Hi!

I have never seen a single "Update" for some critical bugs like:

- g++ won't compile (includes not found)
- kernel won't compile if make mrproper not issued before
- uucp has wrong privileges on /var/log...
- fetchmail is missing rmail
- kpilot DOESN'T WORK AT ALL! (Jpilot works OK)
...

So what is the policy of updates by MANDRAKE? Hey I REALLY like this
distribution and started recomending it all over, but this is not the
right way

bye, Alen
-- 
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[expert] What is going on with BUG tracking??

[Alen Salamun]

Hi!

I have submited over a dozen of bugs, THAT ARE NOT IN BUG ARCHIVE YET
and got no replay, and bugs are not added! What is going on on this
field??

Bye, Alen
-- 
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*E-Mail: Alen Salamun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>*
*   LiNUX - The choice of GNU Generation!   *
*---*

Re: [expert] Wine Is Not an Emulator

[Bill Beauchemin]

Who cares if WINE is an emulator or not. I run Linux to get away from
those crappy Winblows apps that MicroSnot shoves at ya with all there
bugs. Why would I want to go backwards. 


Bill Beauchemin
Sunnyvale MDC Control Center
GlobalCenter
(a Global Crossing company)
888-541-9888

Re: [expert] Wine Is Not an Emulator

[Brian T. Schellenberger]

Of course, but at least it won't take the entire machine with it.

Pj wrote:
> 
> Let's see if I got this right: Wine is neither an adapter or emulator,
> but instead uses API's to allow Windows programs to run on Linux.
> 
> I think it's a great idea, but I have one question. Will Windows
> software be just as unpredictable and crash-prone when run under Linux?
> 
> Pj
> ibi@#greencis.net

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Re: [expert] Several Problems

[John Connell]

I am using both a Phoebe Microsytems external with the TI chipset and a USR
5686-03 external fax modem both work well with Linux (and BeOS).

John


> Icebreaker,
>
> I can only repeat what has been said about modems. Winmodems don't work
> in Linux too good. Yes, a win-linux-modem is being developed.
>
> The modem that does work for Linux very well, and right now, uses a TI
> chipset from Texas Instruments. Phoebe internal and external uses it on
> some models and the USR Sportster external 56K  modem uses it. I can
> only attest to the USR external. It works in Windows and L-M6.0 without
> any problems. I turned it on and used KPPP the first time and every time
> thereafter.
>
> The money you spend on a TI chipset will more than make up for the
> aggravation you are experiencing right now.
>
> Pj
>

[expert] Upgrade to 7.0 problems

[Daniel Knapp]

Hello all,

I have just upgraded from Mandrake 6.1 to 7.0, and almost everything still
works (some things better than before).  Unfortunately, when I try to run
acrobat reader, or corel wordperfect I get the following error message:

can't load library 'libXt.so.6' 

I don't get this message when I run staroffice, netscape etc.  
I checked for the above library and it seems to have been installed in the
right places on my hard drive.  

I am mystified.

Please help.

Daniel

Re: [expert] LILO & IDE CD-Writer

[John Aldrich]

On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, you wrote:
> 
> Actually, I included =only= the cd-writer (hdc) in lilo.conf. That's just
> one of the strange things about the unspecified zip (hdd) being
> "captured" by the ide-scsi thing.
>
Probably because the Zip will work with SCSI emulation just
as well as the CDR. You might try SPECIFYING the Zip drive
as well...
John

Re: [expert] Wine Is Not an Emulator

[Bug Hunter]

  In brief, yes.   However, it won't take the OS (Linux) with it, in most
cases.  Today, many crashes in windows forces a reboot.  Not so under
wine.


On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, Pj wrote:

> Let's see if I got this right: Wine is neither an adapter or emulator,
> but instead uses API's to allow Windows programs to run on Linux. 
> 
> I think it's a great idea, but I have one question. Will Windows
> software be just as unpredictable and crash-prone when run under Linux? 
> 
> Pj 
> ibi@#greencis.net
> 

Re: [expert] Wine Is Not an Emulator

[John Aldrich]

On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, you wrote:
> Let's see if I got this right: Wine is neither an adapter or emulator,
> but instead uses API's to allow Windows programs to run on Linux. 
> 
> I think it's a great idea, but I have one question. Will Windows
> software be just as unpredictable and crash-prone when run under Linux? 
> 
>From what people are saying, Windows software is MUCH more
stable under Wine than Windows. :-)
John

Re: [expert] Netscape from KDE

[John Aldrich]

On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, you wrote:
> I have a very simple "browse" command, like this:
> 
>   #! /bin/csh -f
> 
>   cd /home/bts/xfer
>   /usr/bin/netscape $*
> 
Ok. I'll bite. Why the shell script? Why not just tell
Netscape to execute directly and then put the default
"download" directory to /home/bts/xfer? Netscape DOES have
a default download directory, you know...
John

Re: [expert] Several Problems

[John Aldrich]

On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, you wrote:
> Ok, I'm currently having several problems with my Linux box
> Here is what I'm running:
> Release:   Mandrake-Linux 6.5
> Kernel:  2.2.13-7mdk
> Machine:  Pentium II 400 MMX
> (need any other info?)
> 
> 1)  Video Card:  Sis 6326
>
Upgrade to the X server in Mandrake 7. It's supposed to
have better support for SIS video chipsets.
John

RE: [expert] Wine Is Not an Emulator

[Steven Smith]

Strangely enough, Pj, depending on the amount of ram and CPU speed. It may
run better. The main problem with Windows based apps is usually resources.
So, you could have a Windows app that runs more reliably under Linux via
WINE etc, than under Windows.

-Original Message-
From: Pj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 12:55 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [expert] Wine Is Not an Emulator


Let's see if I got this right: Wine is neither an adapter or emulator,
but instead uses API's to allow Windows programs to run on Linux. 

I think it's a great idea, but I have one question. Will Windows
software be just as unpredictable and crash-prone when run under Linux? 

Pj 
ibi@#greencis.net

Re: [expert] Office Suite for Linux

[Charles Curley]

On Mon, Apr 10, 2000 at 09:04:26AM -0400, John Aldrich wrote:
-> On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, you wrote:
-> > I'm not quite sure why you want to blast me for simple semantics, but
-> > whatever name you want to give it, it still performs the same function.
-> > 
-> I don't believe it's semantics. I believe there is a
-> distinct difference between an emulator and an API.
->  John


Actually, you are both correct. There is a semantic difference between
emulation and an API. Well, of course.

The important question is, is this semantic difference worthwile?

If you're out sailing and the skipper asks you to trim the main sheet,
please don't take out a knife and start cutting up the sails, OK? Sailing
has very precise terminology, and the terms, trim, main, and sheet all
have meanings specific to sailing. They are important for conveying
concise and accurate information. If you aren't a sailor you may never
care what those meanings are. Any field has its own terminology, even
computers.

I believe that the difference between an emulator and an API is
sufficiently great that I see the use for the two terms. OK?


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Re: [expert] Several Problems

[Pj]

Icebreaker,

I can only repeat what has been said about modems. Winmodems don't work
in Linux too good. Yes, a win-linux-modem is being developed. 

The modem that does work for Linux very well, and right now, uses a TI
chipset from Texas Instruments. Phoebe internal and external uses it on
some models and the USR Sportster external 56K  modem uses it. I can
only attest to the USR external. It works in Windows and L-M6.0 without
any problems. I turned it on and used KPPP the first time and every time
thereafter. 

The money you spend on a TI chipset will more than make up for the
aggravation you are experiencing right now. 

Pj

Re: [expert] Wine Is Not an Emulator

[Mage Grimau]

Not as badly. A lot of Windows apps crash when they call system services,
not from their own bugs.

--- Pj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Let's see if I got this right: Wine is neither an adapter or emulator,
> but instead uses API's to allow Windows programs to run on Linux. 
> 
> I think it's a great idea, but I have one question. Will Windows
> software be just as unpredictable and crash-prone when run under Linux? 
> 
> Pj 
> ibi@#greencis.net
> 

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[expert] LILO & IDE CD-Writer

[Lane Lester]

Brian T. Schellenberger said:
>  Well, of course, the zip drive *should* be 0,1 and the CD-RW *should*
>  be 0,0, given that the zip drives on hdd and the CD-RW on hdc (unless,
>  perhaps, you specified both of them on the lilo.conf in reverse order,
>  but I'm sure you didn't do that).

Actually, I included =only= the cd-writer (hdc) in lilo.conf. That's just
one of the strange things about the unspecified zip (hdd) being
"captured" by the ide-scsi thing.
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[expert] failed to stat /net

[Klar Brian D Contr MSG/SWS]

What is this telling me

[root@Mrroboto brian]# rpm -Uvh ghostscript-hp8xx-5.50-5.i386.rpm --force
failed to stat /net: Input/output error

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Re: [expert] Wine Is Not an Emulator

[Pj]

Let's see if I got this right: Wine is neither an adapter or emulator,
but instead uses API's to allow Windows programs to run on Linux. 

I think it's a great idea, but I have one question. Will Windows
software be just as unpredictable and crash-prone when run under Linux? 

Pj 
ibi@#greencis.net

[expert] Netscape from KDE

[Brian T. Schellenberger]

I have a very simple "browse" command, like this:

#! /bin/csh -f

cd /home/bts/xfer
/usr/bin/netscape $*

If I type it in in a shell, it works fine.
If I type it in the pop-up KDE command window, it works fine.
But from my panel, it doesn't work fine.

Under execute I have this:

/home/bts/bin/browse

Now, here's the weird part . . .

If I already have a Netscape window up, it works fine from kpanel, so 
I *know* that netscape is getting executed--it can hook up to an
already-existant netscape process without trouble.

But my "browse" command fails from kpanel if there's no netscape up
already.

Any ideas?



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[expert] Several Problems

[Icebreaker]

Ok, I'm currently having several problems with my Linux box
Here is what I'm running:
Release:   Mandrake-Linux 6.5
Kernel:  2.2.13-7mdk
Machine:  Pentium II 400 MMX
(need any other info?)

1)  Video Card:  Sis 6326
a)I can only use 800x600
which is fine, but I get drawing
errors when I use any other mode
but my card claims it can support them
I turned off my acceleration, which helped,
but not completely
b)I cannot display certain fonts
ie. fixed, clean, ...
The only terminal emulator I can run is Kvt,
because I can change the font ( I'm using
courier bold (it also won't display normal
weight text in Kvt))
2)Sound Card:  C-Media CMI8738/C3DX
a)it isn't detected when I run sndconfig (pnp autodetector)
In Win98 it's listed as PCI and Legacy, but in BIOS
it lists Legacy on the IRQ
I can't even get this to work

3)Modem (possibly kernel)
a)I know it is a winmodem, but apparently there is a module
available through www.linmodems.org ltmodem568
When I try to install the module, it reports several unresolved symbols.
Here is the report:
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol bh_mask
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol request_region
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol schedule_timeout
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol __wake_up
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol pcibios_read_config_byte
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol tty_unregister_driver
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol __generic_copy_from_user
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol tty_std_termios
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol schedule
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol bh_active
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol kmalloc
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol tty_register_driver
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol probe_irq_off
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol release_region
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol kfree_s
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol tty_get_baud_rate
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol __get_free_pages
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol boot_cpu_data
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol pcibios_present
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol free_irq
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol pcibios_read_config_dword
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol timer_table
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol panic
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol free_pages
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol do_gettimeofday
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol register_console
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol bh_base
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol do_SAK
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol cap_bset
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol interruptible_sleep_on
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol request_irq
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol tty_flip_buffer_push
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol __verify_write
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol tty_hangup
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol pci_find_device
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol simple_strtoul
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol sprintf
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol tty_hung_up_p
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol check_region
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol jiffies
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol pcibios_read_config_word
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol tty_wait_until_sent
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol printk
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol add_timer
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol timer_active
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol __const_udelay
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol bh_mask_count
> ./ltmodem.o: unresolved symbol probe_irq_on

Recently, someone else sugguested that I am using the secure kernel, and I
need the 'normal' one.  Which one is the normal one???  I reinstalled my
orriginal kernel (listed above).

Also, could someone please explain BeroList.  I can set up the list, but
when I try to mail to it.  I get an undeliverable message error.


Laterz!
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Re: [expert] Office Suite for Linux

[Deryk Barker]

Thus spake Michael Holt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

> I believe it's just semantics (IMHO).

Given that the word "semantics" relates to *meaning* I fail to see how
anything can be "just" semantics.

(Sorry, this is one of my pet peeves)
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Re: [expert] Wine Is Not an Emulator

[John Aldrich]

On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, you wrote:
> Well is it an adaptor or an emulator?
> 
> On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, Tom Berkley mewed:
> > Exactly. If you add a what is essentially a new library, would you call
> > that an emulator. No, its just a library of api functionality. Would you
> > call a c, or c++, or fortran compiler an emulator.
> > 
Neither. It's an API.
John

Re: [expert] J Serve or Jakarta

[Alan Shoemaker]

Pjall true :-)

Alan


Pj wrote:
> 
> Alan,
> 
> I think the most important event concerning this issue is Jean-Michel
> said he would take the time to fix it. One of the best things about this
> list is the willingness of the users to talk to each other and thrash
> out the problems so the software developers can make changes.
> 
> As far as the distro version goes, there are days that I do good to
> remember I have L-M. Come to think of it, I really don't KNOW which
> version I have for sure. :-) But regardless of the name or number-
> L-M rocks!
> 
> Pj

Re: [expert] Ethernet

[John Aldrich]

On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, you wrote:
> Hi !
> 
> Several minutes after boot I got the message:
> eth0: transmit timed out, tx_status 00 status \ 
> e000.
> What does it mean? This machine still 
> independent from the LAN but has a NIC (3com 
> Vortex or Boomerang)
>
It means that it's trying to talk to a network, and since
you don't have a network, the NIC times out trying to talk
to the non-existant network. Ignore it, or better yet, turn
off the LAN stuff in the startup sequence. This could
probably be done with Netcfg or Linuxconf. But, you'd need
to be root to use both of these tools to change that
setting. Just turn the Ethernet stuff OFF completely and
you should never get that message again.
John

Re: [expert] Wine Is Not an Emulator

[Vic]

Well is it an adaptor or an emulator?

On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, Tom Berkley mewed:
> Exactly. If you add a what is essentially a new library, would you call
> that an emulator. No, its just a library of api functionality. Would you
> call a c, or c++, or fortran compiler an emulator.
> 
> Tom
> 
> Russ Johnson wrote:
> > 
> > Play on words or not, that's what the Wine team says it stands for.
> > 
> > To emulate, aren't you faking it? If they don't fake it, but actually have
> > the APIs, then it's not emulation, it's real. Hence, not emulation.
> > 
> > If it was hardware, then I'd say it had to be emulation. Since we're talking
> > software, the line is blurred. For a program designed to run on a Z80
> > processor to run on a 6802 requires an emulator. For a program that requires
> > Windows on a x86 processor to run on Linux on an x86, requires APIs. If
> > those APIs exist in Linux, then you aren't emulating, you are simply
> > providing what the program requires, under a different OS. The underlying
> > architecture is still the same.
> > 
> > Russ
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Holt
> > Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2000 9:12 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [expert] Office Suite for Linux
> > 
> > AARGH!  That's simply a play on words  You stated the fact yourself
> > - the program that's NORMALLY executed on a WINDOWS platform is allowed
> > now to run on a LINUX platform.  You EMULATE the Windows enviroment so
> > that you can run that program in a Linux enviroment.
> > 
> > ~Mike~
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Re: [expert] Office Suite for Linux

[John Aldrich]

On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, you wrote:
> I'm not quite sure why you want to blast me for simple semantics, but
> whatever name you want to give it, it still performs the same function.
> 
I don't believe it's semantics. I believe there is a
distinct difference between an emulator and an API.
John

Re: [expert] kppp prevents other X apps from opening

[John Aldrich]

On Sun, 09 Apr 2000, you wrote:
> It's a feature, not a critical function. If you use an application that
> relies on reverse DNS lookups (some IP applications do), then the
> reverse lookup will fail if your hostname doesn't match the real FQDN.
> If you have a dialup connection to the internet that causes your
> hostname to change everytime you call, then you have several choices:
>
I repeat my initial question: Name a program which requires
Reverse Authentication on YOUR side.  I know that some
sites will try to reverse authenticate you, but they really
only need to reverse-authenticate the IP that you're coming
from.
For example, we have a BUNCH of IP addresses that we
randomly assign to dial-up users. One of them is
209.140.61.160, which resolves to:
"209.1tnt1-160.highertech.net." If I *happened* to be that
person who got that IP address randomly assigned to me, I
couldn't be reverse authenticated to a particular machine
name on my system. For example, my home system is "slave1."
Try looking up the hostname, "slave1.highertech.net." It
doesn't exist.
The ONLY program I've had problems with authentication on
was IRC, and I fixed that by enabling the Identd daemon as
well as opening up that port on my ISDN router whenever I
run IRC (which is almost never! )
John

Re: [expert] Office Suite for Linux

[John Aldrich]

On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, you wrote:
> AARGH!  That's simply a play on words  You stated the fact yourself
> - the program that's NORMALLY executed on a WINDOWS platform is allowed
> now to run on a LINUX platform.  You EMULATE the Windows enviroment so
> that you can run that program in a Linux enviroment.
> 
I disagree. There's a BIG difference between "emulating"
Windows and having a Windows API that FOOLS Windows
programs into thinking they are running under Windows.
Slight semantic difference, but significant.
John

Re: [expert] Office Suite for Linux

[Charles Curley]

On Sun, Apr 09, 2000 at 09:12:16PM -0700, Michael Holt wrote:
-> AARGH!  That's simply a play on words  You stated the fact yourself
-> - the program that's NORMALLY executed on a WINDOWS platform is allowed
-> now to run on a LINUX platform.  You EMULATE the Windows enviroment so
-> that you can run that program in a Linux enviroment.

Not quite. In computer science, "emulator" is a term of art, and has a
specific meaning. It means a program which lets one processor execute the
instruction set of another. Thus, a program that let you run Atari ST
programs on PCs would be an emulator.

DOSEMU is, striclty speaking, not an emulator in that it does not
translate real mode instructions to protected mode instructions. All
DOSEMU does is set up a virtual machine, using the native capabilities of
the i386 processor. This is why DOSEMU does not run on non-Intel
processors.

>From what I understand, in the case of WINE, both Windows and Linux code
run in protected mode, so there is no processor instruction translation
issue. Some Windows apps run in a virtual machine, and there translation
is handled by the processor, not by WINE. WINE provides an API, but does
not emulate.





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RE: [expert] kppp prevents other X apps from opening

[Stephen Clingerman]

Title: RE: [expert] kppp prevents other X apps from opening





I solved this problem by giving my machine a name other than localhost.


Steve Clingerman


-Original Message-
From: Stephen F. Bosch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2000 9:46 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [expert] kppp prevents other X apps from opening



John Aldrich wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 09 Apr 2000, you wrote:
>
> Such as? I don't use a modem for my internet, so I'm unaware of any problems
> with turning OFF the "autoconfigure hostname." Please enlighten me as to what
> problems you encounter after turning it off.
> John


It's a feature, not a critical function. If you use an application that
relies on reverse DNS lookups (some IP applications do), then the
reverse lookup will fail if your hostname doesn't match the real FQDN.
If you have a dialup connection to the internet that causes your
hostname to change everytime you call, then you have several choices:


1. give up using the application entirely
2. manually reassign the hostname every time (a royal pain)
3. let (in this case) kppp do it for you dynamically.


It's a neat idea, although not so neat if it interferes with X =).


To be fair, it's not something most people need, but if you work in
datacom...


-Stephen-

Re: [expert] Office Suite for Linux

[Charles Curley]

On Sun, Apr 09, 2000 at 11:22:02PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
-> On Sun, Apr 09, 2000 at 14:57 -0500, Pj wrote:
-> > Sheldon
-> > 
-> > I just read something on one of the securtiy sites that a virus can
-> > cause files to *grow.* Unfotunately I forgot where I saw the info or the
-> > name/type of the virus.
-> >  .. Pj

Correct, even in the case of Word macro viruses.



-> > 
-> > Sheldon Lee Wen wrote:
-> > 
-> > > Yes, I have used word for large files
-> > > and I've used it since msword version 6.0
-> > > ..snip
-> > > 
-> > > I've had msword for some reason grow
-> > > the file size without reason. Once the file size
-> > > grew to 63MB. I had to cut and paste everything
-> > > to a new file (and then spend hours reformatting)
-> > > and the size went down to ~20MB.
-> > >snip... 
-> > > 
-> 
-> It might have been a virus but there is a much more direct
-> reason:
-> During editing a Word doc Word doesn't erase parts you erase and
-> replaces them with the new text. It just adds the new text and
-> hides the old. If you look at a doc which has been edited
-> several times you'll see all the old contents in it (if you look
-> at it with a "normal" editor. That behaviour caused some
-> embarrassing moments.
-> 
-> Imagine you send a doc containing some prizes with refunds. Now
-> you just edit that document and send it to another customer with
-> less refunds. The second customer knows about Word and opens the
-> doc in the old NC editor. Great!
-> 
-> I learned some nice stuff about a former boss's opinions
-> regarding his employees that way.
-> 
-> But we all do not need to worry. Or is there a Word user on this
-> list? ;-)

This is a known problem with Word. The workaround -- other than not using
Word -- is to turn off fast saves. A fast save simply copies the memory
image to disk, holes and old data and all.

It also saves memory which has been allocated but not used. This means
that it saves whatever happened to be in that memory before Word got ahold
of it, so it is very insecure.

The "slow" save compacts the data before saving it, eliminating the
unsecure data.

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Re: [expert] The ongoing tradition of "weird & wacky" Ver 7.0-2 problems continues

[Brian T. Schellenberger]

Well, of course, the zip drive *should* be 0,1 and the CD-RW *should*
be 0,0, given that the zip drives on hdd and the CD-RW on hdc (unless,
perhaps, you specified both of them on the lilo.conf in reverse order,
but I'm sure you didn't do that).

However, I'm afraid we've reached the limits of my expertise, so since
you aren't that interested in pursuing the issue at this time, I'll
drop it here . . .

On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, you wrote:
| Brian T. Schellenberger said:
| >  Is the zip drive 0,0 or 0,1?
| 
| 0,0
| 
| >  
| >  Have you tried
| >  
| >  cdrecord -scanbus
| 
| I did, but all I remember was that it didn't lead to a solution at the time.
| I'm not booted with ide-scsi right now, because it screws up other things
| (fstab stuff) that I don't want to change right now.
| 
| XCDroast has a nice feature that shows how the devices are being perceived by
| the system. As I think I said, I suspect that the cd-writer first gets 0,0 and
| then the zip replaces it.
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Re: [expert] Office Suite for Linux

[Brian T. Schellenberger]

I don't think so.

I've been in the computer field professionally for 19 years, and I have
never heard this distinction raised.  Perhaps it's made in Electrical
Engineering circles, but in computer science and the general population,
the distinction seems to be that an emlator emulates hardware, and a
simulator drives active hardware that immerses the human in the
experience; eg,

"Flight simulator", "Motion simultor", and so forth.

Anyway, Mandrake uses the term as I do; eg,

[bts@i7500 ~]# grep emulator allpkgs
Summary : A free, portable Mac II emulator
Basilisk II is a free, portable, Open Source 68k Mac emulator. It requires
Summary : A DOS emulator.
Dosemu is a DOS emulator.  Once you've installed dosemu, start the DOS
emulator by typing in the dos command.
Summary : A FreeDOS hdimage for dosemu, a DOS emulator, to use.
Generally, the dosemu DOS emulator requires either that your system
Eterm is a color vt102 terminal emulator intended as an xterm
Summary : A Kanji (Japanese character set) terminal emulator for X.
The kterm package provides a terminal emulator for the Kanji Japanese
Install kterm if you need a Kanji character set terminal emulator.
or terminal emulator.
Summary : rxvt - terminal emulator in an X window
Rxvt is a VT100 terminal emulator for X.  It is intended as a replacement
Summary : A color VT102 terminal emulator for the X Window System.
Rxvt is a color VT102 terminal emulator for the X Window System.
terminal emulators.  Certain programs use the /etc/termcap file to
Drum machine emulator for the K Desktop Environment.
Summary : MS-Windows emulator
Wine, the Windows emulator, allows running win 3.*, win95, winNT programs
Summary : MS-Windows emulator (version whith debug info)
Wine, the Windows emulator, allows running win 3.*, win95, winNT programs
Summary : An X Window System based IBM 3278/3279 terminal emulator.
IBM 3278/3279 terminal emulator.
Summary : A DOS emulator for the X Window System.
Xdosemu is a version of the dosemu DOS emulator that runs with the X


[There are no matches whatsoever for simulator.]


On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, you wrote:
| Michael Holt wrote:
| > 
| > AARGH!  That's simply a play on words  You stated the fact yourself
| > - the program that's NORMALLY executed on a WINDOWS platform is allowed
| > now to run on a LINUX platform.  You EMULATE the Windows enviroment so
| > that you can run that program in a Linux enviroment.
| 
| Wrong!  In this industry 'emulate' has been defined for decades as
| representing a hardware implementation of something else.  If the
| implementation is done in software, then the proper terminology is
| 'simulation'.BTW, WINE is neither.
| 
| -- 
| 
| Regards,
| 
| Ron. [AU] - sent by Linux.
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Re: [expert] Can't Break X Autostart

[Brian T. Schellenberger]

Drat!  

I didn't mean rc.local; I meant /etc/rc.d/init.d

On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, you wrote:
| Brian T. Schellenberger said:
| >  Yes, but what rc.5 has is irrelevent; the question is: "why are we
| >  using rc.5 in the *first* place? -- what's putting us into run-level 5?"
| >  
| >  Do you have an init in the rc.local at all?(Possibly linked in for
| >  run-level 3.)  I suspect not, and that 'init' is some "special" magical
| >  string that will require a more expert expert than me to decipher, but
| >  I figured we could eliminate the obvious first.
| 
| I don't see anything like that in rc.local (copied below sig).
| -- 
| Lane
| 
| Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA
| Using Linux to get where I want to go...
| 
| #!/bin/sh
| #
| # This script will be executed *after* all the other init scripts.
| # You can put your own initialization stuff in here if you don't
| # want to do the full Sys V style init stuff.
| 
| if [ -f /etc/mandrake-release ]; then
| R=$(cat /etc/mandrake-release)
| 
| arch=$(uname -m)
| a="a"
| case "_$arch" in
|   _a*) a="an";;
|   _i*) a="an";;
| esac
| 
| NUMPROC=`egrep -c "^cpu[0-9]+" /proc/stat`
| if [ "$NUMPROC" -gt "1" ]; then
|   SMP="$NUMPROC-processor "
|   [ "$NUMPROC" = "2" ] && \
|   SMP="Bi-processor "
|   if [ "$NUMPROC" = "8" -o "$NUMPROC" = "11" ]; then
|   a="an"
|   else
|   a="a"
|   fi
| fi
| 
| # This will overwrite /etc/issue at every boot.  So, make any changes you
| # want to make to /etc/issue here or you will lose them when you reboot.
| 
| if [ -x /usr/bin/linux_logo ];then
|   /usr/bin/linux_logo -c -n -f > /etc/issue
|   echo "" >> /etc/issue
| else
|   > /etc/issue
| fi
| echo "$R" >> /etc/issue
| echo "Kernel $(uname -r) on $a $SMP$(uname -m) / \l" >> /etc/issue
| 
| echo "Welcome to %h" > /etc/issue.net
| echo "$R" >> /etc/issue.net
| echo "Kernel $(uname -r) on $a $SMP$(uname -m)" >> /etc/issue.net
| fi
| #insmod ide-scsi
| #modprobe ide-scsi
| /usr/local/sbin/ledd 1>/dev/null 2>&1 &
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RE: [expert] J Serve or Jakarta

[Russell \"Elik\" Rademacher]

Hello Jean-Michel.

Thanks.  It is very helpful for you to help solve it.  Also...it explains
why you haven't responded to my direct emails in the past.  So I forgive you
on that. :)  I be looking forward to seeing the results for this.  If you
actually make it work, then I guess I have to make a lottery for the
deserving people on the list for the year worth of hosting and 250 megs of
space.

Just that my client been hounding at me for past month and my other two
clients is asking for it, and frankly, I do not want to switch distros when
I am hooked to Mandrake. :)



> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jean-Michel Dault
> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 1:48 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [expert] J Serve or Jakarta
>
>
>
> Okay, so it's my fault... I designed the Mandrake Apache package and some
> patches make Jserve incompatible.
>
> Problem is, I have been travelling over the past 2 months. This week it's
> the Linux-Expo in Montreal, but on Thursday, I plan 5 hours to solve the
> problem.
>
> Tell Russell I take care of him, I promise! =)
>
> Jean-Michel Dault
> Corporate Developer
> MandrakeSoft inc.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>

Re: [expert] Office Suite for Linux

[Brian T. Schellenberger]

But it's not an emulator.

It's a compatibility library.

That is, in has the Windows API but it doesn't actually emulate the
hardware or processor or anything like that, which is what is so darned
slow on emulators.

(To see the effect, use vmware; if using a compute-bound application
it's nearly full-speed; if using an i/o-bound application, it's slow as
the dickens.   Why?  Because it emulates the hardware (i/o) but not the
processor.)

On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, you wrote:
| AARGH!  That's simply a play on words  You stated the fact yourself
| - the program that's NORMALLY executed on a WINDOWS platform is allowed
| now to run on a LINUX platform.  You EMULATE the Windows enviroment so
| that you can run that program in a Linux enviroment.
| 
| ~Mike~
| 
| Ron Stodden wrote:
| 
| > Michael Holt wrote:
| > >
| > > Well, in my dictionary 'WINE' stands for WINdows Emulator.
| >
| > No.  WINE is an acronym for:
| >
| > WINE Is Not an Emulator.
| >
| > This follows the GNU recursive model:
| >
| > GNU is Not Unix.
| >
| > Wine is not an emulator or a simulator - Windows programs directly
| > execute on a Linux implementation of the Windows Application Program
| > Interface (API), and should run just as fast (maybe faster?) as they
| > do under an MS API implementation.
| >
| > --
| >
| > Regards,
| >
| > Ron. [AU] - sent by Linux.
| 
| --
| Michael Holt
| [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: [expert] Can't Break X Autostart

[Brian T. Schellenberger]

Actually, we've *already* solved his problem in a practical sense.
He's got his system operating as he wants it.

He's just indulging us in trying to solve the mystery of why it was
acting oddly in the first place, and a re-install won't accomplish
*that*!

Also, w/r/t to your previous comment on the same topic, he pasted in a
big of his init script.  He seems to start at runlevel 3 and then get
mysteriously switched to runlevel 5.

Nonetheless, pasting in his entire /etc/inittab and /etc/lilo.conf
files is probably good advice . . .

On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, you wrote:
| Of course, this all begs the question...
| 
| Why spends days debugging this when a simple reinstall (an hour) would most
| likely fix it?
| 
| That's one of the reasons I always design my systems so that I can reinstall
| the OS without destroying any of my data. One of the powers of Linux. I'm
| able to backup a few scripts, re-install the OS, and then restore those
| scripts. Less that 2 hours later, my entire system is back up and running.
| 
| Of course, there's probably a simple explanation as to *WHY* this is
| happening, and it would be shorter to fix that... Once we know what's
| happening.
| 
| Russ
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Re: [expert] Can't Break X Autostart

[Lane Lester]

Brian T. Schellenberger said:
>  Yes, but what rc.5 has is irrelevent; the question is: "why are we
>  using rc.5 in the *first* place? -- what's putting us into run-level 5?"
>  
>  Do you have an init in the rc.local at all?  (Possibly linked in for
>  run-level 3.)  I suspect not, and that 'init' is some "special" magical
>  string that will require a more expert expert than me to decipher, but
>  I figured we could eliminate the obvious first.

I don't see anything like that in rc.local (copied below sig).
-- 
Lane

Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA
Using Linux to get where I want to go...

#!/bin/sh
#
# This script will be executed *after* all the other init scripts.
# You can put your own initialization stuff in here if you don't
# want to do the full Sys V style init stuff.

if [ -f /etc/mandrake-release ]; then
R=$(cat /etc/mandrake-release)

arch=$(uname -m)
a="a"
case "_$arch" in
_a*) a="an";;
_i*) a="an";;
esac

NUMPROC=`egrep -c "^cpu[0-9]+" /proc/stat`
if [ "$NUMPROC" -gt "1" ]; then
SMP="$NUMPROC-processor "
[ "$NUMPROC" = "2" ] && \
SMP="Bi-processor "
if [ "$NUMPROC" = "8" -o "$NUMPROC" = "11" ]; then
a="an"
else
a="a"
fi
fi

# This will overwrite /etc/issue at every boot.  So, make any changes you
# want to make to /etc/issue here or you will lose them when you reboot.

if [ -x /usr/bin/linux_logo ];then
/usr/bin/linux_logo -c -n -f > /etc/issue
echo "" >> /etc/issue
else
> /etc/issue
fi
echo "$R" >> /etc/issue
echo "Kernel $(uname -r) on $a $SMP$(uname -m) / \l" >> /etc/issue

echo "Welcome to %h" > /etc/issue.net
echo "$R" >> /etc/issue.net
echo "Kernel $(uname -r) on $a $SMP$(uname -m)" >> /etc/issue.net
fi
#insmod ide-scsi
#modprobe ide-scsi
/usr/local/sbin/ledd 1>/dev/null 2>&1 &

Re: [expert] The ongoing tradition of "weird & wacky" Ver 7.0-2 problems continues

[Lane Lester]

Brian T. Schellenberger said:
>  Is the zip drive 0,0 or 0,1?

0,0

>  
>  Have you tried
>  
>  cdrecord -scanbus

I did, but all I remember was that it didn't lead to a solution at the time.
I'm not booted with ide-scsi right now, because it screws up other things
(fstab stuff) that I don't want to change right now.

XCDroast has a nice feature that shows how the devices are being perceived by
the system. As I think I said, I suspect that the cd-writer first gets 0,0 and
then the zip replaces it.
-- 
Lane

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Using Linux to get where I want to go...

RE: [expert] Can't Break X Autostart

[Lane Lester]

Russ Johnson said:

>  /etc/inittab is the file that controls how init works. You can override
>  inittab by specifying a parameter at the lilo prompt. So, that being the
>  case, let's see what's in the /etc/lilo.conf file. All of it.

You got it!

boot = /dev/hda
timeout = 200
prompt
  vga = extended
  read-only
other = /dev/hda3
  label = win
image = /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.14-15mdk
  label = mx
  vga = normal
  append = "mem=124M"
#  append = "hdc=ide-scsi mem=124M"
  root = /dev/hdb8
  read-only
image = /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.14-15mdk
  label = mc
  vga = normal
  append = "init 3"
  root = /dev/hdb8
  read-only
image = /mnt/mandrake2boot/vmlinuz
  label = m2
  vga = normal
  append = "mem=124M"
  root = /dev/hda7

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[expert] Ethernet

[Deim Ágoston]

Hi !

Several minutes after boot I got the message:
eth0: transmit timed out, tx_status 00 status \ 
e000.
What does it mean? This machine still 
independent from the LAN but has a NIC (3com 
Vortex or Boomerang)
Thanks,
Ago

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Re: [expert] Wine Is Not an Emulator

[Stephen F. Bosch]

Michael Holt wrote:
 
> I concede - rather, I give up - who really cares?

You're not a technician, are you? Terminology matters. If it's not
consistent, people make mistakes and things go boom (just ask the Jet
Propulsion Laboratory).

I understand the distinction between emulator and API.

-Stephen-

Re: [expert] Office Suite for Linux

[Ron Stodden]

Michael Holt wrote:
> 
> AARGH!  That's simply a play on words  You stated the fact yourself
> - the program that's NORMALLY executed on a WINDOWS platform is allowed
> now to run on a LINUX platform.  You EMULATE the Windows enviroment so
> that you can run that program in a Linux enviroment.

Wrong!  In this industry 'emulate' has been defined for decades as
representing a hardware implementation of something else.  If the
implementation is done in software, then the proper terminology is
'simulation'.BTW, WINE is neither.

-- 

Regards,

Ron. [AU] - sent by Linux.

Re: [expert] No Mouse Pointer in XFree86 Version 4

[Dennis Robertson]

Dennis Robertson wrote:
> 
> Hello List,
> I am running L-M7.0 and have just installed XFree86 version4.  All went
> well except for the mouse pointer.  The mouse is an M$ serial
> IntelliMouse at com1.  The first few times I started up I couldn't see
> the mouse pointer at all but if I clicked the left button I could see a
> small white spot on the startup screen.  The other two buttons worked
> normally.
> Now I have a white square about 20mm square and the top left corner is
> the actual pointer and it works.  XF86Config reads:
> #  Identifier and Driver
> Identifier   "Mouse1"
> Driver   "mouse"
> Option  "Protocol"  "IntelliMouse"
> Option  "Device"   "/dev/mouse"
> I have read man XF86Config and tried Option "CorePointer".  I tried
> "/dev/ttyS0".  I have read the archives without any joy.
> Can anyone tell me how to make the mouse pointer normal again, please?
> TIA.

Sorry, unintentional repeat.  Finger trouble. Please disregard.
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[expert] --set-selecion under MDK?

[Deim Ágoston]

Hi !

Does the $SUBJECT or something similar available under 
Mandrake ? I wouldn't like to manually choose the packages every 
time I'm installing a box by my style. So, is it available to give the 
pckages names to the rpm to install packages that I like and 
uninstall what's unneccecary for me ? I read through tha man rpm 
but I didn't find it. Maybe I misread it.
Bye,
Ago

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Re: [expert] J Serve or Jakarta

[Pj]

Alan,

I think the most important event concerning this issue is Jean-Michel
said he would take the time to fix it. One of the best things about this
list is the willingness of the users to talk to each other and thrash
out the problems so the software developers can make changes. 

As far as the distro version goes, there are days that I do good to
remember I have L-M. Come to think of it, I really don't KNOW which
version I have for sure. :-) But regardless of the name or number-
L-M rocks! 

Pj

Re: [expert] Office Suite for Linux

[Alan Shoemaker]

MichaelJohn's not blasting you!  He's telling you that your
dictionary is incorrect.  He's telling you that the folks who
originated and named and programmed WINE called it WINE for a
certain reason and what that reason is.  That's all.

Alan


Michael Holt wrote:
> 
> I'm not quite sure why you want to blast me for simple semantics, but
> whatever name you want to give it, it still performs the same function.
> 
> ~Mike~
> 
> John Aldrich wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 09 Apr 2000, you wrote:
> > > Well, in my dictionary 'WINE' stands for WINdows Emulator.
> > >
> > Wrong. WINE stands for "Wine Is Not an Emulator." Go check it out.
> > John
> 
> --
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