[FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > MMY's personality is very much a product of his > > time > > > and culture. It has nothing to do with anything > > > "cosmic". Blazing Brahman expresses itself through > > an > > > aging, slightly senile, lower-caste, 89 year old > > Hindu > > > man who has run a spiritual movement with an iron > > fist > > > for the past 50 years. > > > > Boy, I think this is an important point. > > > > Peter, would it also be correct to phrase it > > slightly differently and say, This is *how* > > Blazing Brahman is expressing itself through > > this particular aging, slightly senile, > > lower-caste, 89-year-old Hindu man who has > > run a spiritual movement with an iron fist > > for the past 50 years? > > Yes, better stated your way. > > > > > > I mean, obviously one has to think MMY has > > *realized* Blazing Brahman in order to make > > either of these two statements. > > > > But people tend to look at the *expression*, > > find it to be much less than what they think > > of as "perfection" in a relative sense, and > > on that basis assume MMY has *not* realized > > Brahman. > > Agreed. If you're looking for relative perfection in a > realized master, good luck! For example in a > residential Art of Living course I took about a year > ago with SSRS in residence, I was bothered by his > casual manner in talking about funny stories from his > ashram and people throwing themselves at his feet. He > wasn't making fun of them or anything but was talking > about the difficulty in walking around and how much > time it took to go from one end of his ashram to > another. Very funny, very cute story. But I was amazed > at part of my own reaction. I wanted him to be more > serious and aloof and not have the reaction he did. > Just some silly relative ideal of what a guru should > be. My attachment, my problem, not his. > Yes. Funny what a process that is- engaging with a guru, and coming to terms with who he or she is, vs who we want them to be. *Paradoxically* I never had the slightest inclination to be in Maharishi's physical presence. and *paradoxically* the only guru who lived up to my expectations when I met him face to face was Brahmananda Saraswati aka Guru Dev (who was the only one I ever met face-to-face...). The embodiment of gentleness, love, friendliness, compassion and an absolute pillar of resolve, tenacity, steadfastness, and no compromise. > > > > Of course whether he has or hasn't is still > > one's individual take; it's just that the take > > shouldn't be based, it seems to me, on the > > perceived distance of the expression from what > > they would consider relative perfection. > > The first time I saw MMY in 1972 my mind blew wide > open and left absolutely no doubts about his Realized > status. And in every ensuing contact with him over the > years this has happened over and over again with the > experience getting deeper and deeper everytime. > > > > > So what should it be based on?? I assume > > realized people and nonrealized people have > > different ways of evaluating MMY's state of > > consciousness. > > Your own direct experience...only! > > > > > From my unrealized perspective, it's a > > combination of a gut hunch, and my awe at the > > depth, comprehensiveness, and internal > > consistency of his teaching on the nature and > > mechanics of consciousness (including its > > implementation in the TM technique), as well > > as the teaching'sextraordinary explanatory value. > > Right, you find great value in his teachings. > > > > It just doesn't seem possible to me that a person, > > no matter how brilliant their mind, could come up > > with such a teaching purely on an intellectual > > basis. It has to be coming from some basis in > > higher intuitive knowledge (or Knowledge, to > > distinguish it from intellectual knowledge). > > Ageed! > > > > Of course, that's still based on a sense of how > > close MMY's expression comes to my idea of > > relative perfection, which is what I just said > > you shouldn't do. > > I don't think we can ever, to a complete degree, get > away from this. In fact, it perhaps is a foolish > "spiritual "ideal. > > > > Now I'm trying to figure out on what basis I think > > evaluating his teaching on the nature and mechanics > > of consciousness is a more appropriate criterion on > > which to have an opinion of his realization, versus > > evaluating the sensibleness of his political and > > social pronouncements and what he's been doing with > > the TMO. > > > > Help me out here. They're both measuring what MMY > > expresses against a personal idea of relative > > perfection. Why should choosing one *type* of > > expression over another make a difference? Or > > are both approaches essentially absurd? > > > > Obviou
[FairfieldLife] Good for the goose, good for the gander (was Re: Yagna By Choice Payback)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- Patrick Gillam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I marvel at my assholeness to this day. > > > > We're all marvelous assholes at times, aren't we? Like > > when I'm driving along singing a bhajan and a guy cuts > > in front of me, brakes too hard or does something to > > violate my driving ideal and I scream at him and give > > him the finger. Ha! What a jerk! > > I've always felt that developing a sense of comfort > with (and forgiveness for) one's assholiness is far > more important to spiritual progress than developing > a feel (almost always illusory) for one's holiness. Sometimes I'm a jerk from my own wellspring of ego, but sometimes - to tie this back to Peter's original mention of projective identification - I buy into someone else's ego projection, and that's what surprises me. It's like I witness it, too, often. Projective identification again: > The person in question unconsciously > projects a unintegrated/disowned aspect of their > personality onto others and provokes them into > responding/behaving in accord with that unintegrated > part. I guess I can be manipulated by another person like that because the "unintegrated/disowned aspect of their personality" is living in me. Another opportunity for forgiveness, I suppose. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India
On Dec 14, 2005, at 2:08 PM, jyouells2000 wrote:It's odd. If Maharishi's so right-wing how come almost everyone connected with him in the West leans so far left? It's a strange thing. It is. It's just the paradox of Brahman, so stop worrying. And he just has a funny way of showing his compassion. All is well.Is there great difference between a Christian fundie school kid who quotes the bible, talks of the Big Bang and tells about Jesus and a MSAE kid who quotes scientific literature, talks about AGNI and unified field theory to sell you his idea from M.? Both are conditioned dogmas. Call it Pavlov's meditator. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > snip > > > > Maharishi has evolved into pure paradox, > > transcending my intellect, > > and leaving me as the innocent witness to his > > actions. Like a master- > > disciple relationship only in the transcendent; > > ONLY in the > > transcendent. Pure Paradox. > > Absolutely. You got it! Nothing of value on the > surface at all. It's all sentimentality and ego up > there, but deep in the heart is that pulse of Brahman > that just PULLS you into it and flattens all the > bullshit of the personality. Pure Shiva whirling in > absolute stillness destroying all boundaries. Ha Yeah! > Tomorrow night meditate under the full moon for a few > hours For a few *hours*?? No can do my friend- full moons already exert a very powerful influence on me, very much like flooring the accelerator, so just a glance will be enough. Often times when the moon is full, the world begins to turn absolutely transparent, and unless exhausted, sleep eludes me. and watch that cosmic dance unfold in your > awareness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ~--> > > Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? > > Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM > > > --- -~-> > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Dec 14, 2005, at 10:27 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I said Ayatolla Maharishi , not Ghengis Maharishi! LOL! my point > > being that he sounds more like any other fundamentalist from any > > other religion. Maybe a little more Islamic like with his throw out > > the Christians by force sentiment. But you are right , it's like he > > is calling in air strikes on his own position. Only thing is with > > such speak he only damages his own image, which I suppose could be > > a false image in some peoples eyes. > > The parallels are striking. What is Maharishi Vedic Science but > Maharishi Creation Science--Creation Science with a different mask. But the big question is...do they have Think & Draw? :) Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Dec 14, 2005, at 10:27 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I said Ayatolla Maharishi , not Ghengis Maharishi! LOL! my point > > being that he sounds more like any other fundamentalist from any > > other religion. Maybe a little more Islamic like with his throw out > > the Christians by force sentiment. But you are right , it's like he > > is calling in air strikes on his own position. Only thing is with > > such speak he only damages his own image, which I suppose could be > > a false image in some peoples eyes. > > The parallels are striking. What is Maharishi Vedic Science but > Maharishi Creation Science--Creation Science with a different mask. > The Christian Creation Science adherents will sometime point out the > similarity to the Big Bang and Genesis. For The Mahesh Creation > Science people it's the first word of the Rig Veda "Agni" as Hindu > Quantum Cosmology. Similarly the first word of Genesis, Bereshith, is > said to show the sequential unfolding of Creation. How different is > "Natural Law" and it's caste system than a right-wing theocracy in > this country which seeks to legalize millions of illegal aliens to > create a new slave class for their republican corporate slave-mongers? > > Both are a right-wing political phenomena wedded with religion. > It's odd. If Maharishi's so right-wing how come almost everyone connected with him in the West leans so far left? It's a strange thing. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India
--- tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > jim_flanegin writes; snipped > Maharishi has evolved into pure paradox, > transcending my intellect, > and leaving me as the innocent witness to his > actions. Like a master- > disciple relationship only in the transcendent; > ONLY in the > transcendent. Pure Paradox. > > Tom T responds: > This is the value of Brahman. Only Brahman can hold > those extreme > values inside one human mind and live with that > paradox. If you have > any doubt left about the nature of Brahman see above > and ponder on > that for a while. This is the exposition and playing > out of the > Jaimini sutras. On the hand is the realtive loony > toon character and > on the other hand is the blazing brillance of pure > Shiva, go try and > figure it out and you can't. That is the definition > of Brahman. > I once heard a 23 year old, FF born and raised, > describe her > enlightenment as "delightful confusion". Delightful > because it was and > confusion because the mind was never going to figure > it out. Not now > Not ever. Tom T That's what you don't think! > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for > Healthy Drug-Free Living. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > jim_flanegin writes; snipped > Maharishi has evolved into pure paradox, transcending my intellect, > and leaving me as the innocent witness to his actions. Like a master- > disciple relationship only in the transcendent; ONLY in the > transcendent. Pure Paradox. > > Tom T responds: > This is the value of Brahman. Only Brahman can hold those extreme > values inside one human mind and live with that paradox. If you have > any doubt left about the nature of Brahman see above and ponder on > that for a while. This is the exposition and playing out of the > Jaimini sutras. On the hand is the realtive loony toon character and > on the other hand is the blazing brillance of pure Shiva, go try and > figure it out and you can't. That is the definition of Brahman. > I once heard a 23 year old, FF born and raised, describe her > enlightenment as "delightful confusion". Delightful because it was and > confusion because the mind was never going to figure it out. Not now > Not ever. Tom T > Along the lines of 'delightful confusion', the literally funny thing is (and I think you've mentioned this before Tom also...), is that whenever the intellect tries to make sense of the paradox that is Brahman, all that results is this little percolation of bliss. Many times a day I will juxtapose two complete opposites in my mind, the intellect will try for a resolution, going deeper and deeper, finally give up, bounce into the transcendent, back out again, and I'll break into a smile or small chuckle at this universal infinite joke... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 1032 Members
on 12/14/05 12:23 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Is it even possible to join the group now? How do you find the group > if you aren't already a member? Someone has to tell you about it and provide the URL of the home page. You won't find it by searching. That's a pity, because we've gotten some high quality members who found us that way. For instance, Paula Youmans found us by searching on "Patanjali." Many people find the group my searching on Maharishi, Transcendental Meditation, etc. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India
On Dec 14, 2005, at 1:01 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:And yet I suspect you'd have to admit that this is a subjective feeling. I spent a lot of time around Maharishi as well, and never felt anything from him that I would attribute to enlightenment, whereas I have with other people. Go figure. I think the bottom line may be that if we could react to everyone we meet (including ourselves) by cutting them the same slack we give to those we consider enlightened, the world might be a better place. :-) In the tradition I practice in, it is considered one of the aspects of the manifestations of staying in the state of unity to be able to see others in their enlightened forms. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India
jim_flanegin writes; snipped Maharishi has evolved into pure paradox, transcending my intellect, and leaving me as the innocent witness to his actions. Like a master- disciple relationship only in the transcendent; ONLY in the transcendent. Pure Paradox. Tom T responds: This is the value of Brahman. Only Brahman can hold those extreme values inside one human mind and live with that paradox. If you have any doubt left about the nature of Brahman see above and ponder on that for a while. This is the exposition and playing out of the Jaimini sutras. On the hand is the realtive loony toon character and on the other hand is the blazing brillance of pure Shiva, go try and figure it out and you can't. That is the definition of Brahman. I once heard a 23 year old, FF born and raised, describe her enlightenment as "delightful confusion". Delightful because it was and confusion because the mind was never going to figure it out. Not now Not ever. Tom T Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 1032 Members
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > snip > > > > Maharishi has evolved into pure paradox, > > transcending my intellect, > > and leaving me as the innocent witness to his > > actions. Like a master- > > disciple relationship only in the transcendent; > > ONLY in the > > transcendent. Pure Paradox. > > Absolutely. You got it! Nothing of value on the > surface at all. It's all sentimentality and ego up > there, but deep in the heart is that pulse of Brahman > that just PULLS you into it and flattens all the > bullshit of the personality. Pure Shiva whirling in > absolute stillness destroying all boundaries. And yet I suspect you'd have to admit that this is a subjective feeling. I spent a lot of time around Maharishi as well, and never felt anything from him that I would attribute to enlightenment, whereas I have with other people. Go figure. I think the bottom line may be that if we could react to everyone we meet (including ourselves) by cutting them the same slack we give to those we consider enlightened, the world might be a better place. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India
--- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: snip > > Maharishi has evolved into pure paradox, > transcending my intellect, > and leaving me as the innocent witness to his > actions. Like a master- > disciple relationship only in the transcendent; > ONLY in the > transcendent. Pure Paradox. Absolutely. You got it! Nothing of value on the surface at all. It's all sentimentality and ego up there, but deep in the heart is that pulse of Brahman that just PULLS you into it and flattens all the bullshit of the personality. Pure Shiva whirling in absolute stillness destroying all boundaries. Ha Tomorrow night meditate under the full moon for a few hours and watch that cosmic dance unfold in your awareness. > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? > Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India
--- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > MMY's personality is very much a product of his > time > > and culture. It has nothing to do with anything > > "cosmic". Blazing Brahman expresses itself through > an > > aging, slightly senile, lower-caste, 89 year old > Hindu > > man who has run a spiritual movement with an iron > fist > > for the past 50 years. > > Boy, I think this is an important point. > > Peter, would it also be correct to phrase it > slightly differently and say, This is *how* > Blazing Brahman is expressing itself through > this particular aging, slightly senile, > lower-caste, 89-year-old Hindu man who has > run a spiritual movement with an iron fist > for the past 50 years? Yes, better stated your way. > > I mean, obviously one has to think MMY has > *realized* Blazing Brahman in order to make > either of these two statements. > > But people tend to look at the *expression*, > find it to be much less than what they think > of as "perfection" in a relative sense, and > on that basis assume MMY has *not* realized > Brahman. Agreed. If you're looking for relative perfection in a realized master, good luck! For example in a residential Art of Living course I took about a year ago with SSRS in residence, I was bothered by his casual manner in talking about funny stories from his ashram and people throwing themselves at his feet. He wasn't making fun of them or anything but was talking about the difficulty in walking around and how much time it took to go from one end of his ashram to another. Very funny, very cute story. But I was amazed at part of my own reaction. I wanted him to be more serious and aloof and not have the reaction he did. Just some silly relative ideal of what a guru should be. My attachment, my problem, not his. > > Of course whether he has or hasn't is still > one's individual take; it's just that the take > shouldn't be based, it seems to me, on the > perceived distance of the expression from what > they would consider relative perfection. The first time I saw MMY in 1972 my mind blew wide open and left absolutely no doubts about his Realized status. And in every ensuing contact with him over the years this has happened over and over again with the experience getting deeper and deeper everytime. > > So what should it be based on?? I assume > realized people and nonrealized people have > different ways of evaluating MMY's state of > consciousness. Your own direct experience...only! > > From my unrealized perspective, it's a > combination of a gut hunch, and my awe at the > depth, comprehensiveness, and internal > consistency of his teaching on the nature and > mechanics of consciousness (including its > implementation in the TM technique), as well > as the teaching'sextraordinary explanatory value. Right, you find great value in his teachings. > > It just doesn't seem possible to me that a person, > no matter how brilliant their mind, could come up > with such a teaching purely on an intellectual > basis. It has to be coming from some basis in > higher intuitive knowledge (or Knowledge, to > distinguish it from intellectual knowledge). Ageed! > > Of course, that's still based on a sense of how > close MMY's expression comes to my idea of > relative perfection, which is what I just said > you shouldn't do. I don't think we can ever, to a complete degree, get away from this. In fact, it perhaps is a foolish "spiritual "ideal. > > Now I'm trying to figure out on what basis I think > evaluating his teaching on the nature and mechanics > of consciousness is a more appropriate criterion on > which to have an opinion of his realization, versus > evaluating the sensibleness of his political and > social pronouncements and what he's been doing with > the TMO. > > Help me out here. They're both measuring what MMY > expresses against a personal idea of relative > perfection. Why should choosing one *type* of > expression over another make a difference? Or > are both approaches essentially absurd? > > Obviously I've gone off on something of a tangent > here... Yeah, but a good tangent I think, ultimately, the value of a guru/master is in him/her functioning as a catalyst for one's own realization. This is appreciated by people as their experiences with the body of techniques offered, the intellectual knowledge, and the transcendent darshan experiences with the master. > > > > > > > The value of our interaction > > with him has nothing to do with the "surface" of > this > > relationship. This "surface" always varies from > guru > > to guru and is quite irrelevent to the > transcendent > > value of the relationship. MMY doesn't give a damn > > about your personality. It is utterly irrelevent > to > > your Realization. > > > > --- Premanand Paul Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > I have received an email relating to a press > > > conference
[FairfieldLife] Good for the goose, good for the gander (was Re: Yagna By Choice Payback)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- Patrick Gillam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I marvel at my assholeness to this day. > > We're all marvelous assholes at times, aren't we? Like > when I'm driving along singing a bhajan and a guy cuts > in front of me, brakes too hard or does something to > violate my driving ideal and I scream at him and give > him the finger. Ha! What a jerk! I've always felt that developing a sense of comfort with (and forgiveness for) one's assholiness is far more important to spiritual progress than developing a feel (almost always illusory) for one's holiness. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Good for the goose, good for the gander (was Re: Yagna By Choice Payback)
--- Patrick Gillam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- Peter wrote: > > > > projective > > identification. The person in question > unconsciously > > projects a unintegrated/disowned aspect of their > > personality onto others and provokes them into > > responding/behaving in accord with that > unintegrated > > part. People have a tendency to "go off" on the > person > > in question thus perpetuating the abuse he > experiences > > This reminds me of a problem I've noticed in myself. > > I've found myself treating people the way they I > suspect > they wish to be treated, rather than in a way that > reflects > my ideals. > > I recall an example from years ago when lurkman and > I just got done sledding on a hill in front of a > museum > that was showing a slavery retrospective. We're > white. > As we piled our gear into the car, a black man came > out of the museum, reasonably and visibly upset. His > > car was parked next to ours. I opened our car door > carelessly and it bumped the rubber bumper of the > black man's car. He jumped out, furious, and > examined > his car for damage. Thank God I hit the rubber, and > there was no scuff. But did I explain? Did I > apologize? > Did I try to palliate his outrage? No. I thought of > it, > but decided, "He wants to feel put upon. I won't > spoil > it for him." > > I felt like I was part of a larger matrix and had no > > individual will. > > We drove away without a word. > > I marvel at my assholeness to this day. We're all marvelous assholes at times, aren't we? Like when I'm driving along singing a bhajan and a guy cuts in front of me, brakes too hard or does something to violate my driving ideal and I scream at him and give him the finger. Ha! What a jerk! > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? > Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > MMY's personality is very much a product of his time > > and culture. It has nothing to do with anything > > "cosmic". Blazing Brahman expresses itself through an > > aging, slightly senile, lower-caste, 89 year old Hindu > > man who has run a spiritual movement with an iron fist > > for the past 50 years. > > Boy, I think this is an important point. > > Peter, would it also be correct to phrase it > slightly differently and say, This is *how* > Blazing Brahman is expressing itself through > this particular aging, slightly senile, > lower-caste, 89-year-old Hindu man who has > run a spiritual movement with an iron fist > for the past 50 years? > > I mean, obviously one has to think MMY has > *realized* Blazing Brahman in order to make > either of these two statements. > > But people tend to look at the *expression*, > find it to be much less than what they think > of as "perfection" in a relative sense, and > on that basis assume MMY has *not* realized > Brahman. > > Of course whether he has or hasn't is still > one's individual take; it's just that the take > shouldn't be based, it seems to me, on the > perceived distance of the expression from what > they would consider relative perfection. > Brilliant posts Judy, and Peter! ...we're back to 'the meaty stuff'... I have watched my own evolution of my perceptions of Maharishi's expressions, and what has happened is I kept trying to have an opinion about him, where he was headed, what his initiatives mean, why the people around him do what they do, and despite my best intentions, I am now in a 'watching what comes next, fascinated' mode. Maharishi has managed to transcend everything I have ever felt or thought about him, and now my experience is that of watching Shiva incarnate. However, lest you think, 'aha, Jim is making an opinion of Maharishi again...', this is really just a way to express my current perception. As we might imagine, Shiva incarnating has as much to do with the Infinite as He does with discrete actions. I also want to make the strong point that the only way I am now able to just be with Maharishi's actions is by previously attending to all of my impressions of him, and watching them dissolve, one by one by one. Is this a less certain way of watching Maharishi? Yes. Because there is no reserved parking space for me anymore, with regard to my judgement of him. He is what he is, whatever that is. Kind of like watching a tree grow from a sapling and trying to predict exactly what it will look like as it grows, which is impossible, because it continues to change. How do we judge the sky? Is it Hurricane Katrina, or a sunny day at the beach? Maharishi has evolved into pure paradox, transcending my intellect, and leaving me as the innocent witness to his actions. Like a master- disciple relationship only in the transcendent; ONLY in the transcendent. Pure Paradox. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India
On Dec 14, 2005, at 10:59 AM, authfriend wrote:as well as the teaching'sextraordinary explanatory value. There's a Freudian slip if ever I saw one! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] 1032 Members
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] 1032 Members on 12/14/05 10:23 AM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or maybe it's just different keywords. :) Sal The adult classification blocks the group from coming up in search results. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There is no question that MMY disparages Britain, the issue has already > provoked much discussion on FFL. Since he has broadcast anti- British > propaganda, it would be grossly irresponsible and incredible if this > information were suppressed. It would be interesting to know the exact > wording of his transmissions to those in India. > > > > > > Is this how you conduct research for your published books? > To fish for > > corroboration by broadcasting the above without requiring your > source to be specific > > regarding date of speech, or week, or month, even, is grossly > irresponsible, and certainly > > lowers your credibility as a biographical author. > > > So, if MMY lost it and later decided he had said too much in public, its not his perogative to edit the remarks that he doesn't want remembered? And of course, since we don't have access to the raw footage, we don't even know if these remarks were actually said in the first place... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India
There is no question that MMY disparages Britain, the issue has already provoked much discussion on FFL. Since he has broadcast anti-British propaganda, it would be grossly irresponsible and incredible if this information were suppressed. It would be interesting to know the exact wording of his transmissions to those in India. > Is this how you conduct research for your published books? To fish for > corroboration by broadcasting the above without requiring your source to be specific > regarding date of speech, or week, or month, even, is grossly irresponsible, and certainly > lowers your credibility as a biographical author. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] 1032 Members
Or maybe it's just different keywords. :) Sal On Dec 14, 2005, at 9:50 AM, Rick Archer wrote: It wasn't sudden. Sign-ups keep trickling in, but they've slowed since our category reclassification, because you can no longer find FFL by searching for keywords in its description.
[FairfieldLife] Read along with Tom
"The experience of the Self, or "self-referral," means that our internal reference point is our own spirit, and not the object of our experience. The opposite of self-referral is object-referral. In object-referral we are always influenced by objects outside the Self, which include situations, circumstances, people, and things. In object-referral we are constantly seeking the approval of others. Our thinking and our behavior are always in anticipation of a response. It is therefore fear-based. In object-referral we also feel an intense need to control things. We feel an intense need for external power. The need for approval, the need to control things, and the need for external power are needs that are based on fear. This kind of power is not the power of pure potentiality, or the power of the Self, or /real/ power. When we experience the power of the Self, there is an absence of fear, there is no compulsion to control, and no struggle for approval or external power. In object-referral, your internal reference point is your ego. The ego, however, is not who you really are. The ego is your self-image; it is your social mask; it is the role you are playing. Your social mask thrives on approval. It wants to control, and it is sustained by power, because it lives in fear. Your true Self, which is your spirit, your soul, is completely free of those things. It is immune to criticism, it is unfearful of any challenge, and it feels beneath no one. And yet, it is also humble and feels superior to no one, because it recognizes that everyone else is the same Self, the same spirit in different disguises. That's the essential difference between object-referral and self-referral. In self-referral, you experience your true being, which is unfearful of any change, has respect for all people, and feels beneath no one. Self-power is therefore true power. Power based on object-referral, however, is false power. Being ego-based power, it lasts only as long as the object of reference is there. If you have a certain title -- if you're the president of the country or the chairman of a corporation -- or if you have a lot of money, the power you enjoy goes with the title, with the job, with the money. Ego-based power will only last as long as those things last. As soon as the title, the job, the money go way, so does the power. Self-power, on the other hand, is permanent, because it is based on the knowledge of the Self. And there are certain characteristics of self-power. It draws people to you, and it also draws things that you want to you. It magnetizes people, situations, and circumstances to support your desires. This is also called support from the laws of nature. It is the support of divinity; it is the support that comes from being in the state of grace. Your power is such that you enjoy a bond with people, and people enjoy a bond with you. Your power is that of bonding -- a boding that comes from true love." --Deepak Chropa, The Seven Spiritual Laws of Success To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Good for the goose, good for the gander (was Re: Yagna By Choice Payback)
--- Peter wrote: > > projective > identification. The person in question unconsciously > projects a unintegrated/disowned aspect of their > personality onto others and provokes them into > responding/behaving in accord with that unintegrated > part. People have a tendency to "go off" on the person > in question thus perpetuating the abuse he experiences This reminds me of a problem I've noticed in myself. I've found myself treating people the way they I suspect they wish to be treated, rather than in a way that reflects my ideals. I recall an example from years ago when lurkman and I just got done sledding on a hill in front of a museum that was showing a slavery retrospective. We're white. As we piled our gear into the car, a black man came out of the museum, reasonably and visibly upset. His car was parked next to ours. I opened our car door carelessly and it bumped the rubber bumper of the black man's car. He jumped out, furious, and examined his car for damage. Thank God I hit the rubber, and there was no scuff. But did I explain? Did I apologize? Did I try to palliate his outrage? No. I thought of it, but decided, "He wants to feel put upon. I won't spoil it for him." I felt like I was part of a larger matrix and had no individual will. We drove away without a word. I marvel at my assholeness to this day. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Good for the goose, good for the gander (was Re: Yagna By Choice Payback)
on 12/14/05 9:01 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > But my suggestion was a real one. I suspect that > the Yagyas By Choice people would have nothing > to do with him if they were aware of how he's > been using the energy they've been sending his > way. We'll see how things turn out. We can only > hope for the best, for all concerned. Unless they can be bought. Chances are he's their top-paying customer. They might feel as he does that yagyas are the solution to all his problems, however severe they may be. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > MMY's personality is very much a product of his time > and culture. It has nothing to do with anything > "cosmic". Blazing Brahman expresses itself through an > aging, slightly senile, lower-caste, 89 year old Hindu > man who has run a spiritual movement with an iron fist > for the past 50 years. Boy, I think this is an important point. Peter, would it also be correct to phrase it slightly differently and say, This is *how* Blazing Brahman is expressing itself through this particular aging, slightly senile, lower-caste, 89-year-old Hindu man who has run a spiritual movement with an iron fist for the past 50 years? I mean, obviously one has to think MMY has *realized* Blazing Brahman in order to make either of these two statements. But people tend to look at the *expression*, find it to be much less than what they think of as "perfection" in a relative sense, and on that basis assume MMY has *not* realized Brahman. Of course whether he has or hasn't is still one's individual take; it's just that the take shouldn't be based, it seems to me, on the perceived distance of the expression from what they would consider relative perfection. So what should it be based on?? I assume realized people and nonrealized people have different ways of evaluating MMY's state of consciousness. >From my unrealized perspective, it's a combination of a gut hunch, and my awe at the depth, comprehensiveness, and internal consistency of his teaching on the nature and mechanics of consciousness (including its implementation in the TM technique), as well as the teaching'sextraordinary explanatory value. It just doesn't seem possible to me that a person, no matter how brilliant their mind, could come up with such a teaching purely on an intellectual basis. It has to be coming from some basis in higher intuitive knowledge (or Knowledge, to distinguish it from intellectual knowledge). Of course, that's still based on a sense of how close MMY's expression comes to my idea of relative perfection, which is what I just said you shouldn't do. Now I'm trying to figure out on what basis I think evaluating his teaching on the nature and mechanics of consciousness is a more appropriate criterion on which to have an opinion of his realization, versus evaluating the sensibleness of his political and social pronouncements and what he's been doing with the TMO. Help me out here. They're both measuring what MMY expresses against a personal idea of relative perfection. Why should choosing one *type* of expression over another make a difference? Or are both approaches essentially absurd? Obviously I've gone off on something of a tangent here... The value of our interaction > with him has nothing to do with the "surface" of this > relationship. This "surface" always varies from guru > to guru and is quite irrelevent to the transcendent > value of the relationship. MMY doesn't give a damn > about your personality. It is utterly irrelevent to > your Realization. > > --- Premanand Paul Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > I have received an email relating to a press > > conference in which MMY > > allegedly "made himself look and sound like an Ill > > tempered raving > > lunatic." Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India
There are 150 million Muslims in india.!! Does Maharishi wants to throw them out too.?? Maharishi also seems to hate the German efficiency. He criticised it a couple of times in his speeches. OriginalMessage- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:27:47 EST Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The British in India I said Ayatolla Maharishi , not Ghengis Maharishi! LOL! my point being that he sounds more like any other fundamentalist from any other religion. Maybe a little more Islamic like with his throw out the Christians by force sentiment. But you are right , it's like he is calling in air strikes on his own position. Only thing is with such speak he only damages his own image, which I suppose could be a false image in some peoples eyes. Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India
on 12/14/05 7:36 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Snip > I think this is a Big Spiritual Mistake. I think that > anyone's life is really about the "raw footage" of > that life -- the clean parts *and* the messy parts. > And I think that this is even more true when dealing > with enlightenment. The enlightened *aren't* all > squeaky clean. They fart and shit like other people, > and as far as I can tell they make messy mistakes > like other people. I believe that "editing" their > lives to make it appear as they don't is a disservice > to the enlightened themselves, and to people who seek > enlightenment and hope to find it in their example. Your post reminds me of why Oprah Winfrey is such a spiritual person. My wife has been watching her 6-DVD 20th Anniversary special - highlights of her past 20 years. Oprah's heart is wide open. She feels others' pain as her own. And she is brutally honest with herself in front of 20 million people, sometimes appearing without makeup, talking about her weight problems, etc. Very inspiring lady. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] 1032 Members
on 12/14/05 7:23 AM, lurkernomore20002000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > You know, we suddenly jumped from 1000 members to 1032. I wonder if > we're being "monitored". I certainly hope so. We've had a good two > weeks of postings. It wasn't sudden. Sign-ups keep trickling in, but they've slowed since our category reclassification, because you can no longer find FFL by searching for keywords in its description. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] The British in India
On Dec 14, 2005, at 10:27 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I said Ayatolla Maharishi , not Ghengis Maharishi! LOL! my point being that he sounds more like any other fundamentalist from any other religion. Maybe a little more Islamic like with his throw out the Christians by force sentiment. But you are right , it's like he is calling in air strikes on his own position. Only thing is with such speak he only damages his own image, which I suppose could be a false image in some peoples eyes.The parallels are striking. What is Maharishi Vedic Science but Maharishi Creation Science--Creation Science with a different mask. The Christian Creation Science adherents will sometime point out the similarity to the Big Bang and Genesis. For The Mahesh Creation Science people it's the first word of the Rig Veda "Agni" as Hindu Quantum Cosmology. Similarly the first word of Genesis, Bereshith, is said to show the sequential unfolding of Creation. How different is "Natural Law" and it's caste system than a right-wing theocracy in this country which seeks to legalize millions of illegal aliens to create a new slave class for their republican corporate slave-mongers?Both are a right-wing political phenomena wedded with religion. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The British in India
In a message dated 12/14/05 8:53:47 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can you say Ayatolla Maharishi?Kickin' wimpy waking state ass and taken noprisoners!! That's my Maha! Callin' in an airstrike onhis own position. Balls the size of France, man! Hewill do anything, ANYTHING, to crack your ignorance. I said Ayatolla Maharishi , not Ghengis Maharishi! LOL! my point being that he sounds more like any other fundamentalist from any other religion. Maybe a little more Islamic like with his throw out the Christians by force sentiment. But you are right , it's like he is calling in air strikes on his own position. Only thing is with such speak he only damages his own image, which I suppose could be a false image in some peoples eyes. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >snip > > > > > I think this is a Big Spiritual Mistake. I think > > that > > anyone's life is really about the "raw footage" of > > that life -- the clean parts *and* the messy parts. > > And I think that this is even more true when dealing > > with enlightenment. The enlightened *aren't* all > > squeaky clean. They fart and shit like other people, > > and as far as I can tell they make messy mistakes > > like other people. I believe that "editing" their > > lives to make it appear as they don't is a > > disservice > > to the enlightened themselves, and to people who > > seek > > enlightenment and hope to find it in their example. > > > > I don't know whether the press conferences in ques- > > tion are being edited to remove the "messy" parts, > > but it is *completely* consistent with TM movement > > history that they are. I have certainly seen the > > edits > > done on other tapes and books over the years. And > > I'm > > just rappin' about this because I think it's a > > mistake, > > a disservice to the person being edited, and to the > > seekers who are forced to view an edited version > > of life. IMO, real life is always better. > > > > Just my opinion, > > > > Unc > > Excellent post. When I did video production in Ffld I > used to interact on a regular basis with MIU's video > production department. On a near regular basis I would > see raw MMY footage being edited to remove sections > that did not adhere to top administrators' ideal of > what MMY should say. Usually international did this > but every once in a while MIU video would edit some of > these tapes. I also saw them do this on a Triguna tape > where the edit completely reversed his intended > meaning. The person editing the tape showed me the raw > footage and the finished product. He told me that he > was directly told by someone in the MIU administration > to edit particular parts of the tape. > This is my experience too. What MMY say alive is very different from what is published from the TMO - either by video or press release. The "heavy" stuff is taken out. Ingegerd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ~--> > > Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? > > Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM > > > --- -~-> > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice Payback
--- Tom Pall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Tom, you gotta leave that geisha by the stream, > man. > > She's too heavy to carry all this time. > > -Pete the Vet > > You have to learn that there are sometimes long > lasting consequences > to your actions. Consequences which aren't > dispelled by your usual > quip or in the usual TMO/MUM or announcement of > reversal or denial > anything ever happened which seems to part of your > upbringing or MIU > experiences. Sometimes if you deride a person > enough they rightfully > develop a grudge. And they decide that you are as > bad and hopeless > and hateful a person as you characterized and > gloated over and over > again that they were. > > Joke while you can. While FF still has a Life at > Yahoo. Stop smokin' me up, Tom! I refuse to play a part in your psyche anymore. It is very difficult to resist. You are a powerful dude, seriously! I wish you only the best, but please stop leaving little and medium sized poo-poos all over the carpet here. > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne > Moore. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL's Adult Yahoo Category
--- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 12/13/05 10:24 PM, anonymousff at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > BTW, the posts of Rudra Joe were enough to get > this group an Adult > > rating or deletion years ago. It just took a > while for Yahoo to catch > > on. > > That's true Tom, but some of your posts have been > far more egregious. Most > people don't have a problem with discussions about > sex and drugs in the > proper context, but very few people tolerate racism > and bigotry in any > context. Skokie may resent, but tolerate, an adult > book store, but when the > Nazis decide to march there, it's a different story. > Racy posts such as > Rudra Joe's have been a tiny fraction of the total > here. It is dishonest and > mean-spirited to try to characterize the group as > predominated by that kind > of post. You haven't always been treated kindly by > the people here, but if > you could see yourself as others see you, you would > understand why. I try to > keep in mind the difficulties you've been through > when you're being hostile, > and to express appreciation when it is deserved, as > I did in the previous > post. But I feel it is petty and small minded to > spend your energies trying > to destroy the group. Stop lashing out at the world > and you'll find it a > nicer place. You have been added to "the list", Rick! > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? > Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Good for the goose, good for the gander (was Re: Yagna By Choice Payback)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Your attempt is admirable, Barry, but it won't > help. Hope does spring eternal, but trying to make a > rational end-run around someone's seemingly disturbed > psychology usually doesn't work as I've discovered in > my profession. To help, first there has to be a good > therapeutic relationship and the person in question > must recognize, to some extent, that not all is quite > right in their head. Neither of these criteria seem to > be fulfilled in this case. I also noticed you started > to do what I did and get caught up in what > psychoanalytic thought calls projective > identification. The person in question unconsciously > projects a unintegrated/disowned aspect of their > personality onto others and provokes them into > responding/behaving in accord with that unintegrated > part. People have a tendency to "go off" on the person > in question thus perpetuating the abuse he experiences > and recreating this abuse in a repetition compulsion > that unconsciously seeks to resolve the original abuse > in current relationships. Unless this is consciously > recognized, it just continues on and on and on until > that complex of samskaras are disolved. I wouldn't say > the person in question has MPD/DID, but we are > experiencing the extremes of unintegrated aspects of a > personality damaged by severe abuse. I wish him the > best too and will refrain from making wise-ass cracks > at his expense in the future because this simply > re-traumatizes the person rather than giving insight. I had nothing in mind as high-falutin' as you describe in psychoanalytic terms. In my exper- ience those who mistreat others consistently have no concept of what their actions would feel like if someone did the exact same thing to them. I was hoping that Tom was still together enough to *feel* what it would be like if someone did to him what he's been attempting to do to the people on FFL. But my suggestion was a real one. I suspect that the Yagyas By Choice people would have nothing to do with him if they were aware of how he's been using the energy they've been sending his way. We'll see how things turn out. We can only hope for the best, for all concerned. > --- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > This is like watching Robin Williams doing his > > > schizophrenia comedy routine, with two > > personalities > > > in the same being arguing back and forth with each > > > other. Except that Robin's routine is funny, and > > > this is very sad and very scary indeed. Get some > > > help, Tom, and by that I don't mean "Spend more > > > money on yagyas." As far as I can tell, you're > > > getting closer and closer to being one of those > > > guys we read about who "snaps" one day and decides > > > to kill all the people he believes are > > "persecuting" > > > him. > > > > > > This is beyond allowing your tortured Inner Child > > > to scream in public, Tom...this is verging on > > full- > > > blown insanity. Please get help. I've tried to > > > support your occasional positive actions here on > > > FFL, but I'm really worried about you. > > > > > > Unc/Barry > > > > Tom, > > > > Because I really *am* concerned about you, I'm > > going to point out something that doesn't seem > > to have occurred to you. It's becoming really > > painful to see you acting out what seems to be > > Multiple Personality Disorder here on this forum, > > posting under two different names, and with two > > obviously different personalities, poles apart, > > and with one polar post appearing within minutes > > of another one, equally polar but in the opposite > > direction. In my book this is not an indication > > of someone who is getting "better" as a result > > of yagyas, but worse. > > > > And you've taken it upon yourself to try to act > > out your resentment at people here telling you > > the truth about some of the things you post here > > by trying to get the forum itself removed from > > Yahoo. That is simply unacceptable, and in my > > book is yet another symptom of a serious mental > > disorder that needs treatment. > > > > Here's the thing that probably has not occurred > > to you. What if someone here, someone who actually > > cares about you and is interested in your welfare, > > took it upon himself or herself to email the posts > > you made here yesterday under two different names to > > > > the provider of the yagyas you seem to hold so dear? > > From what you have said in your posts about them, > > they seem to be ethical people who are genuinely > > concerned that their service has the greatest > > possible benefit for those paying for them. > > > > How do you think they'd react to discovering that > > one of their clients is reacting to their services > > by acting out in a way that Western psychologists > > would characterize as
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guide to the Perplexed? Perhaps?
--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Natan > Ophir" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > Being new to this group, I would appreciate if > someone posts a key > > > to explain who is against whom, or pro and > contra TMO, or pushing > > > which agenda. Would be kind of handy for > newcomers. A simple Guide > > > to the Perplexed. > > > > With all due respect, I think the credo of this > group > > is that people should make such determinations for > > *themselves*, not rely on others to do it for > them. > > > > Uh-oh, Judy and Unc agreed on something... Another sign of the rising sattva in the collective consciousness of the world! > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? > Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL's Adult Yahoo Category
Rick, you really need to get rid of this guy. --- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > It's a minor annoyance to most of us but one > fellow in the UK > said > > he reads > > > FFL on a public library computer and can no > longer get in > because of its > > > "adult" classification. If this is the result of > someone > complaining to > > > Yahoo, then I'd say they have a serious case of > "if you don't > play > > my way > > > I'm taking my football and going home" syndrome. > Multiply that > tendency > > > 1,000 times and you have a terrorist blowing up > innocent people. > > > > > > > Because there's a total lack of civility seen in > other groups, > because > > there are people who get their rocks off by > playing "now I've got > you, > > so sonofabitch", because there are "Drs" who > should keep their > > diagnosis to their own unfortunate clients and not > to FFL, there > are > > people out to get FFL closed down in the belief > that freedom of > speech > > does not include deriding and belittling people > over and over and > > over again. If this is such a spiritual group, > why aren't people > > called when they do such things to people? It's > possible that > someone > > tried to get FFL closed down because of someone > posting > inappropriate > > material then someone complained once again to > Yahoo. Rick knows > the > > whole story, only he's keeping it quiet. Quiet is > something Rick > > should not be. He's the group owner and moderator. > Quiet makes him > > accomplice. Posting rules doesn't cut it. > Cutting someone down > when > > they go on the attack is what needs to be done. > > > > Unless, until FFL polices itself, there will be > people trying > > everything they can to get FFL closed down, > including interviewing > > with and being hired by Yahoo so they can then > have the power to > pull > > the plug on not only FFL but all the members with > Yahoo email > > addresses so the group can't reform. > > > > Characterize it (character, what an interesting > word) as a "play > by my > > rules or I take my ball home" if you wish. Read > the posts and > tell me > > if there has been sufficient civility to warrant > FFL continuing > > another second. > > > > Play by the rules of civility or the group will be > closed down, if > > bribes, calling in favors from friends in infamous > families, and > > endless number of complaints against Yahoo don't > close don't this > > group, nothing will. Play by the rules of > civility and people > won't > > feel they've entered a minefield where whatever > they post will be > > pounced upon again and again and again. And won't > feel the need to > > stiffle "free" speech. Or spend their free time > networking to find > > just the right person to get the plug pulled on > FFL. > > > > Terrorists? Disappointed you can't access FFL > from a public > library? > > Blame the major flippant posters of FFL for that. > If you go to the > > site and suddenly it's no longer there, blame said > posters for > that as > > well. And blame yourself for not saying "cut that > out" in > response to > > the uncivil posts. > > > > BTW, the posts of Rudra Joe were enough to get > this group an Adult > > rating or deletion years ago. It just took a > while for Yahoo to > catch > > on. > > > > Get it? > > > Oh darn...it got posted. I was ranting a bit folks, > again, and > didn't mean to hit the send key. I really must stop > being so sneaky > and making vague threats to you all. My buttons got > pushed, > especially by Rudra Joe, way back when. And Dr. > Pete- who I now > acknowledge really nailed it when he addressed my > posting several > back. > > And that stuff I just said about 'if bribes, calling > in favors from > friends in infamous families, and endless number of > complaints > against Yahoo don't close don't this group, nothing > will. Play by > the rules of civility...etc '. I really overstepped > my bounds, and > realize that empty threats don't amount to much, > especially > anaonymously... > > So anyway, keep up the free exchange of ideas, and I > will try my > best to restrain myself in the future...I for one > really hope we are > able to get this site back to a non-Adult Category > again. Cheers. > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for > Healthy Drug-Free Living. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED
Re: [FairfieldLife] The British in India
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 12/14/05 5:41:23 A.M. Central > Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > I am not exaggerating at all either. He made > himself > look > and > sound like an Ill tempered raving lunatic > > > Can you say Ayatolla Maharishi? Kickin' wimpy waking state ass and taken no prisoners!! That's my Maha! Callin' in an airstrike on his own position. Balls the size of France, man! He will do anything, ANYTHING, to crack your ignorance. > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] The British in India
MMY's personality is very much a product of his time and culture. It has nothing to do with anything "cosmic". Blazing Brahman expresses itself through an aging, slightly senile, lower-caste, 89 year old Hindu man who has run a spiritual movement with an iron fist for the past 50 years. The value of our interaction with him has nothing to do with the "surface" of this relationship. This "surface" always varies from guru to guru and is quite irrelevent to the transcendent value of the relationship. MMY doesn't give a damn about your personality. It is utterly irrelevent to your Realization. --- Premanand Paul Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have received an email relating to a press > conference in which MMY > allegedly "made himself look and sound like an Ill > tempered raving > lunatic." > Does anyone know of such a conference and do they > have a transcript? > > Follows an extract of the email received:- > > 'It might interest you to know that during the > summer of 2004 > I > was watching a free live transmission of a Maharishi > Press conference > from > Holland to India. I had been watching these free > for a limited time > Maharishi press conferences for about the whole > summer. In each > session, > John Hagelin of MUM was fielding questions from the > press for > Maharishi. > Maharishi would then give a thorough answer and/or > message that was > very > pleasing to hear. However, one day as I was > watching a special > broadcast of > the Maharishi speaking to India, he absolutely lost > it (so to speak) > and > began what amounted to be a complete 30-45 minute > tyrannical speech > about > how India is still being kept down by its Britisher > foreigners and > their > "religion of suffering"-Christianity. > > I was stunned when he started advocating that > Indians begin to > angrily > and > forcibly directly threaten "Britishers" and > "Christians" (namely > women) > by > explaining that if they didn't leave India > immediately > their, "Husbands > and > children's lives would be in great danger". And > that was only one > small > quote. I watched in disbelief as he threw all > caution to the wind and > started chastising the Indian Press and basically > all of India for > "copying > the West" and becoming less "Spiritual". He was out > of control to > tell > you > the truth. I am not exaggerating at all either. He > made himself > look > and > sound like an Ill tempered raving lunatic. > Literally trying to incite > violence? I was stunned at how much disrespect and > open contempt he > was > displaying towards "Britishers" and westerners in > general. It was > unthinkable, the things that he was saying. He was > openly instructing > others to "throw the bloody Britishers out or they > will pay a heavy > price > for staying", mainly he explained because of British > involvement in > the > War > in Iraq and the fact that these democratically run > foreign countries > were > dragging the spirituality of India and her people > down. Also he kept > on > repeating "get away from democracy" "get away from > democracy".' > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne > Moore. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] The British in India
In a message dated 12/14/05 5:41:23 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am not exaggerating at all either. He made himself look andsound like an Ill tempered raving lunatic Can you say Ayatolla Maharishi? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Good for the goose, good for the gander (was Re: Yagna By Choice Payback)
Your attempt is admirable, Barry, but it won't help. Hope does spring eternal, but trying to make a rational end-run around someone's seemingly disturbed psychology usually doesn't work as I've discovered in my profession. To help, first there has to be a good therapeutic relationship and the person in question must recognize, to some extent, that not all is quite right in their head. Neither of these criteria seem to be fulfilled in this case. I also noticed you started to do what I did and get caught up in what psychoanalytic thought calls projective identification. The person in question unconsciously projects a unintegrated/disowned aspect of their personality onto others and provokes them into responding/behaving in accord with that unintegrated part. People have a tendency to "go off" on the person in question thus perpetuating the abuse he experiences and recreating this abuse in a repetition compulsion that unconsciously seeks to resolve the original abuse in current relationships. Unless this is consciously recognized, it just continues on and on and on until that complex of samskaras are disolved. I wouldn't say the person in question has MPD/DID, but we are experiencing the extremes of unintegrated aspects of a personality damaged by severe abuse. I wish him the best too and will refrain from making wise-ass cracks at his expense in the future because this simply re-traumatizes the person rather than giving insight. --- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > This is like watching Robin Williams doing his > > schizophrenia comedy routine, with two > personalities > > in the same being arguing back and forth with each > > other. Except that Robin's routine is funny, and > > this is very sad and very scary indeed. Get some > > help, Tom, and by that I don't mean "Spend more > > money on yagyas." As far as I can tell, you're > > getting closer and closer to being one of those > > guys we read about who "snaps" one day and decides > > to kill all the people he believes are > "persecuting" > > him. > > > > This is beyond allowing your tortured Inner Child > > to scream in public, Tom...this is verging on > full- > > blown insanity. Please get help. I've tried to > > support your occasional positive actions here on > > FFL, but I'm really worried about you. > > > > Unc/Barry > > Tom, > > Because I really *am* concerned about you, I'm > going to point out something that doesn't seem > to have occurred to you. It's becoming really > painful to see you acting out what seems to be > Multiple Personality Disorder here on this forum, > posting under two different names, and with two > obviously different personalities, poles apart, > and with one polar post appearing within minutes > of another one, equally polar but in the opposite > direction. In my book this is not an indication > of someone who is getting "better" as a result > of yagyas, but worse. > > And you've taken it upon yourself to try to act > out your resentment at people here telling you > the truth about some of the things you post here > by trying to get the forum itself removed from > Yahoo. That is simply unacceptable, and in my > book is yet another symptom of a serious mental > disorder that needs treatment. > > Here's the thing that probably has not occurred > to you. What if someone here, someone who actually > cares about you and is interested in your welfare, > took it upon himself or herself to email the posts > you made here yesterday under two different names to > > the provider of the yagyas you seem to hold so dear? > From what you have said in your posts about them, > they seem to be ethical people who are genuinely > concerned that their service has the greatest > possible benefit for those paying for them. > > How do you think they'd react to discovering that > one of their clients is reacting to their services > by acting out in a way that Western psychologists > would characterize as having episodes of multiple > personality disorder? How do you think they'd > react to learning that one of their clients is > trying his best to act out his hurt and rage by > harming other people rather than helping them? > > I somehow suspect that they might think twice about > accepting future payments from you, and conducting > future yagyas for you. I somehow suspect they would > be *shocked* to learn who it was they were really > dealing with, and might wish to not involve them- > selves and their karma with someone who is obviously > having some serious mental problems. > > In other words, they might just cut you off at the > pump, Tom. > > A word to the wise. I am not going to write such > an email. I trust to your higher nature, and to > that higher nature "winning out" if you realize > that if someone else were to do to you what you > have so blithely done to others here that it would > be painful and
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India
--- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >snip > > I think this is a Big Spiritual Mistake. I think > that > anyone's life is really about the "raw footage" of > that life -- the clean parts *and* the messy parts. > And I think that this is even more true when dealing > with enlightenment. The enlightened *aren't* all > squeaky clean. They fart and shit like other people, > and as far as I can tell they make messy mistakes > like other people. I believe that "editing" their > lives to make it appear as they don't is a > disservice > to the enlightened themselves, and to people who > seek > enlightenment and hope to find it in their example. > > I don't know whether the press conferences in ques- > tion are being edited to remove the "messy" parts, > but it is *completely* consistent with TM movement > history that they are. I have certainly seen the > edits > done on other tapes and books over the years. And > I'm > just rappin' about this because I think it's a > mistake, > a disservice to the person being edited, and to the > seekers who are forced to view an edited version > of life. IMO, real life is always better. > > Just my opinion, > > Unc Excellent post. When I did video production in Ffld I used to interact on a regular basis with MIU's video production department. On a near regular basis I would see raw MMY footage being edited to remove sections that did not adhere to top administrators' ideal of what MMY should say. Usually international did this but every once in a while MIU video would edit some of these tapes. I also saw them do this on a Triguna tape where the edit completely reversed his intended meaning. The person editing the tape showed me the raw footage and the finished product. He told me that he was directly told by someone in the MIU administration to edit particular parts of the tape. > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? > Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > The profile of the TMO is "business" and "cult". That is > > > what > > > > > > > ordinary people seemore and more, when they hear the > prices > > > and > > > > > > > learn what the TMO stands for. > > > > > > > An Indian Muslim came to me and learned Transcendental > > > > > Meditation > > > > > > > some weeks ago. (I am an Independent TM-Teacher). He had > > > first > > > > > > > checked out the TMO - and when he came to me, he > said: "I > > do > > > > not > > > > > > > want to be a part of a cult with Rajas and stuff. I do > not > > > want > > > > > to > > > > > > > be a part of an organisation who has over-prized their > > > courses. > > > > > I > > > > > > > just want to learn Transcendental Meditation". > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, unless things have changed, you can just learn > > > > > > Transcendental Meditation from the TMO without having to > > > > > > become part of a cult with Rajas and stuff (although of > > > > > > course you'll have to pay the TMO's prices). > > > > > > > > > > > > Did this gentleman really think learning TM from the TMO > > > > > > would mean joining a cult? Or was he just looking for a > > > > > > lower price? > > > > > > > > > > He had the image that the TMO was a cult. He could not > accept > > > that. > > > > > He is a businessman - and he could easily have paid the > price of > > > > > the TMO. > > > > > > > > But you explained to him that learning TM from the TMO > > > > wouldn't mean he'd have to join a cult, right? > > > > > > No, I did not. I do not argue about the TMO with people. The > only > > > thing I say is that I am not a part of the TMO because I do not > > > agree with the course fee. I do not say anything negative about > the > > > TMO. To explain what the TMO are or not are, is not my > > > responsibility. People see what they see and make their own > > > thoughts. > > > > Oh, I wasn't suggesting that you *argue* with him, just > > that you let him know what the facts are with regard to > > that particular concern. > > And what are the facts? Is it yours and mine subjective meaning or > is it what people learn from the TMO itself? I'm not sure I understand the question. Most people who learn TM pay their money, get their instruction, and go off and practice on their own without having any further contact with the TMO, except perhaps for an occasional checking session. Surely you would agree that this is a fact, not a subjective impression? Wherever the TMO may be on the cult scale, it exists to teach people to meditate, not to recruit them into the organization, unlike, say, the Moonies. You have to make a decision to become more involved; and if, like your student, you're wary of being drawn in to start with, it's highly unlikely that you will be. Seems to me the number of teachers who have become independent, or would like to be able to teach without having to go along with all the nutty stuff, is evidence of what I'm pointing out. > I think I do the TMO a great favour not to say anything. > Ingegerd > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India
> On Dec 14, 2005, at 6:37 AM, Premanand Paul Mason wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I have received an email relating to a press conference in which > > MMY allegedly "made himself look and sound like an Ill tempered > > raving lunatic." > > Does anyone know of such a conference and do they have a > > transcript? > > The ones I've watched seem edited now. Maybe that's why? Vaj, your comment (and recent events here on FFL) have left me thinking about a fine film I saw recently, one that IMO has profound implications in many areas of life, including the spiritual search and one's own spiritual sadhana. The film is called "The Final Cut," and it stars Robin Williams (brilliant! in one of his subdued, introverted roles) as a "cutter." In this slightly future story, parents have the option of fit- ting their kids with a Zoe chip, a bio-organic device that records everything they see and do from the moment of birth to the moment of their deaths. Then, when the wearer of the Zoe chip dies, his or her loved ones can ask a "cutter" to make a "Rememory" film of the high- lights of the person's life. And therein lies the problem -- the idea of "highlights," of the necessity to EDIT a person's life to make it more palatable to the loved ones who want to view por- tions of it. Robin's character is the best at what he does, and he's willing to take on *anybody's* life and edit it to remove the offending parts. He thinks of himself as a "sin eater," as in the old (I think) Jewish tradition. I think we see this "editing" of life all the time. All around us, but especially in spiritual traditions. There is a tendency for people to compartmentalize their lives, and show only one small aspect of themselves to the people they care about, while revealing other, less savory aspects of themselves to those that they *don't* care about. You need go no further than recent schizo- phrenic remarks made here on FFL to understand what I'm talking about. How would that person *feel* if people he cared about knew what he did and what he said to amuse himself at other people's expense. But he feels safe doing it, because he doesn't believe they'll find out. They don't read FFL. Similarly, there is a *huge* tendency in spiritual traditions to "edit" the lives of their founders. If the teacher does or says something "messy," there are teams of people whose job it is to "edit it out," to make it appear as if the messy thing never happened. This certainly happens with video- and audiotape; I have seen various "generations" of the same tape come and go, the later generations hugely different from the original as TBs labor to remove all the parts that could be considered "messy." And what's even worse is the "self editing" that the TBs sometimes perform on *themselves*. They *refuse* to accept the veracity of stories that seem "messy," that seem contradictory to the way that they'd like to think of their teacher. I think this is a Big Spiritual Mistake. I think that anyone's life is really about the "raw footage" of that life -- the clean parts *and* the messy parts. And I think that this is even more true when dealing with enlightenment. The enlightened *aren't* all squeaky clean. They fart and shit like other people, and as far as I can tell they make messy mistakes like other people. I believe that "editing" their lives to make it appear as they don't is a disservice to the enlightened themselves, and to people who seek enlightenment and hope to find it in their example. I don't know whether the press conferences in ques- tion are being edited to remove the "messy" parts, but it is *completely* consistent with TM movement history that they are. I have certainly seen the edits done on other tapes and books over the years. And I'm just rappin' about this because I think it's a mistake, a disservice to the person being edited, and to the seekers who are forced to view an edited version of life. IMO, real life is always better. Just my opinion, Unc Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 1032 Members
You know, we suddenly jumped from 1000 members to 1032. I wonder if we're being "monitored". I certainly hope so. We've had a good two weeks of postings. lurk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Good for the goose, good for the gander (was Re: Yagna By Choice Payback)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: snip > > I wish you nothing but the best. Really. But > you're out of control, dude, and it's messing > with this discussion forum, which I treasure. > Act out on your own time and in the privacy of > your own home, Tom. When you do it here, and > threaten to make "here" go away, you're treading > on thin ice. > > Barry Wright Nice piece. lurk > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have received an email relating to a press conference in which MMY > allegedly "made himself look and sound like an Ill tempered raving > lunatic." > Does anyone know of such a conference and do they have a transcript? > > Follows an extract of the email received:- > > 'It might interest you to know that during the summer of 2004 > I > was watching a free live transmission of a Maharishi Press conference > from > Holland to India. I had been watching these free for a limited time > Maharishi press conferences for about the whole summer. In each > session, > John Hagelin of MUM was fielding questions from the press for > Maharishi. > Maharishi would then give a thorough answer and/or message that was > very > pleasing to hear. However, one day as I was watching a special > broadcast of > the Maharishi speaking to India, he absolutely lost it (so to speak) > and > began what amounted to be a complete 30-45 minute tyrannical speech > about > how India is still being kept down by its Britisher foreigners and > their > "religion of suffering"-Christianity. > > I was stunned when he started advocating that Indians begin to > angrily > and > forcibly directly threaten "Britishers" and "Christians" (namely > women) > by > explaining that if they didn't leave India immediately > their, "Husbands > and > children's lives would be in great danger". And that was only one > small > quote. I watched in disbelief as he threw all caution to the wind and > started chastising the Indian Press and basically all of India for > "copying > the West" and becoming less "Spiritual". He was out of control to > tell > you > the truth. I am not exaggerating at all either. He made himself > look > and > sound like an Ill tempered raving lunatic. Literally trying to incite > violence? I was stunned at how much disrespect and open contempt he > was > displaying towards "Britishers" and westerners in general. It was > unthinkable, the things that he was saying. He was openly instructing > others to "throw the bloody Britishers out or they will pay a heavy > price > for staying", mainly he explained because of British involvement in > the > War > in Iraq and the fact that these democratically run foreign countries > were > dragging the spirituality of India and her people down. Also he kept > on > repeating "get away from democracy" "get away from democracy".' > Is this how you conduct research for your published books? To fish for corroboration by broadcasting the above without requiring your source to be specific regarding date of speech, or week, or month, even, is grossly irresponsible, and certainly lowers your credibility as a biographical author. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] The British in India
The ones I've watched seem edited now. Maybe that's why?On Dec 14, 2005, at 6:37 AM, Premanand Paul Mason wrote:I have received an email relating to a press conference in which MMY allegedly "made himself look and sound like an Ill tempered raving lunatic." Does anyone know of such a conference and do they have a transcript? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have received an email relating to a press conference in which MMY > allegedly "made himself look and sound like an Ill tempered raving > lunatic." > Does anyone know of such a conference and do they have a transcript? > > Follows an extract of the email received:- > > 'It might interest you to know that during the summer of 2004 > I > was watching a free live transmission of a Maharishi Press conference > from > Holland to India. I had been watching these free for a limited time > Maharishi press conferences for about the whole summer. In each > session, > John Hagelin of MUM was fielding questions from the press for > Maharishi. > Maharishi would then give a thorough answer and/or message that was > very > pleasing to hear. However, one day as I was watching a special > broadcast of > the Maharishi speaking to India, he absolutely lost it (so to speak) > and > began what amounted to be a complete 30-45 minute tyrannical speech > about > how India is still being kept down by its Britisher foreigners and > their > "religion of suffering"-Christianity. > > I was stunned when he started advocating that Indians begin to > angrily > and > forcibly directly threaten "Britishers" and "Christians" (namely > women) > by > explaining that if they didn't leave India immediately > their, "Husbands > and > children's lives would be in great danger". And that was only one > small > quote. I watched in disbelief as he threw all caution to the wind and > started chastising the Indian Press and basically all of India for > "copying > the West" and becoming less "Spiritual". He was out of control to > tell > you > the truth. I am not exaggerating at all either. He made himself > look > and > sound like an Ill tempered raving lunatic. Literally trying to incite > violence? I was stunned at how much disrespect and open contempt he > was > displaying towards "Britishers" and westerners in general. It was > unthinkable, the things that he was saying. He was openly instructing > others to "throw the bloody Britishers out or they will pay a heavy > price > for staying", mainly he explained because of British involvement in > the > War > in Iraq and the fact that these democratically run foreign countries > were > dragging the spirituality of India and her people down. Also he kept > on > repeating "get away from democracy" "get away from democracy".' > I have not heard that special conference. But what he says about Brithishers and Democracy has been repeated over and over again through the last years. I have heard him use a language that is far from spiritual and that is one of the reasons that I stopped to listen to his speaches. He is not in balance. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The British in India
I have received an email relating to a press conference in which MMY allegedly "made himself look and sound like an Ill tempered raving lunatic." Does anyone know of such a conference and do they have a transcript? Follows an extract of the email received:- 'It might interest you to know that during the summer of 2004 I was watching a free live transmission of a Maharishi Press conference from Holland to India. I had been watching these free for a limited time Maharishi press conferences for about the whole summer. In each session, John Hagelin of MUM was fielding questions from the press for Maharishi. Maharishi would then give a thorough answer and/or message that was very pleasing to hear. However, one day as I was watching a special broadcast of the Maharishi speaking to India, he absolutely lost it (so to speak) and began what amounted to be a complete 30-45 minute tyrannical speech about how India is still being kept down by its Britisher foreigners and their "religion of suffering"-Christianity. I was stunned when he started advocating that Indians begin to angrily and forcibly directly threaten "Britishers" and "Christians" (namely women) by explaining that if they didn't leave India immediately their, "Husbands and children's lives would be in great danger". And that was only one small quote. I watched in disbelief as he threw all caution to the wind and started chastising the Indian Press and basically all of India for "copying the West" and becoming less "Spiritual". He was out of control to tell you the truth. I am not exaggerating at all either. He made himself look and sound like an Ill tempered raving lunatic. Literally trying to incite violence? I was stunned at how much disrespect and open contempt he was displaying towards "Britishers" and westerners in general. It was unthinkable, the things that he was saying. He was openly instructing others to "throw the bloody Britishers out or they will pay a heavy price for staying", mainly he explained because of British involvement in the War in Iraq and the fact that these democratically run foreign countries were dragging the spirituality of India and her people down. Also he kept on repeating "get away from democracy" "get away from democracy".' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guide to the Perplexed? Perhaps?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Natan Ophir" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > Being new to this group, I would appreciate if someone posts a key > > > to explain who is against whom, or pro and contra TMO, or pushing > > > which agenda. Would be kind of handy for newcomers. A simple Guide > > > to the Perplexed. > > > > With all due respect, I think the credo of this group > > is that people should make such determinations for > > *themselves*, not rely on others to do it for them. > > Uh-oh, Judy and Unc agreed on something... LOL. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Good for the goose, good for the gander (was Re: Yagna By Choice Payback)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is like watching Robin Williams doing his > schizophrenia comedy routine, with two personalities > in the same being arguing back and forth with each > other. Except that Robin's routine is funny, and > this is very sad and very scary indeed. Get some > help, Tom, and by that I don't mean "Spend more > money on yagyas." As far as I can tell, you're > getting closer and closer to being one of those > guys we read about who "snaps" one day and decides > to kill all the people he believes are "persecuting" > him. > > This is beyond allowing your tortured Inner Child > to scream in public, Tom...this is verging on full- > blown insanity. Please get help. I've tried to > support your occasional positive actions here on > FFL, but I'm really worried about you. > > Unc/Barry Tom, Because I really *am* concerned about you, I'm going to point out something that doesn't seem to have occurred to you. It's becoming really painful to see you acting out what seems to be Multiple Personality Disorder here on this forum, posting under two different names, and with two obviously different personalities, poles apart, and with one polar post appearing within minutes of another one, equally polar but in the opposite direction. In my book this is not an indication of someone who is getting "better" as a result of yagyas, but worse. And you've taken it upon yourself to try to act out your resentment at people here telling you the truth about some of the things you post here by trying to get the forum itself removed from Yahoo. That is simply unacceptable, and in my book is yet another symptom of a serious mental disorder that needs treatment. Here's the thing that probably has not occurred to you. What if someone here, someone who actually cares about you and is interested in your welfare, took it upon himself or herself to email the posts you made here yesterday under two different names to the provider of the yagyas you seem to hold so dear? >From what you have said in your posts about them, they seem to be ethical people who are genuinely concerned that their service has the greatest possible benefit for those paying for them. How do you think they'd react to discovering that one of their clients is reacting to their services by acting out in a way that Western psychologists would characterize as having episodes of multiple personality disorder? How do you think they'd react to learning that one of their clients is trying his best to act out his hurt and rage by harming other people rather than helping them? I somehow suspect that they might think twice about accepting future payments from you, and conducting future yagyas for you. I somehow suspect they would be *shocked* to learn who it was they were really dealing with, and might wish to not involve them- selves and their karma with someone who is obviously having some serious mental problems. In other words, they might just cut you off at the pump, Tom. A word to the wise. I am not going to write such an email. I trust to your higher nature, and to that higher nature "winning out" if you realize that if someone else were to do to you what you have so blithely done to others here that it would be painful and really fuck with your life. A word to the wise. Grow the fuck up. Stop this infantile acting out, and allow people here to continue to have their little discussions, free from interference from you. If you keep acting like an out-of-control child, sooner or later someone here is going to do exactly what I have suggested, and you'll start to actually *feel* the effects of your own karma. I don't think you'd like that. I honestly think that the best thing you could possibly do at this point is offer an apology to the people of Fairfield Life and refrain from posting here for some time. Concentrate on your own life and helping it to evolve, in the way that seems best to you. We will all wish you the best in that endeavor, and look forward to seeing a new and improved Tom Pall when you choose to return, if you do. But don't keep fucking with people who wish you well and pray for your well-being, Tom. If you do, in time one of them is going to decide that what's good for the goose is good for the gander, and use your own methods against you. It won't be me, but it will be someone. Get it? I wish you nothing but the best. Really. But you're out of control, dude, and it's messing with this discussion forum, which I treasure. Act out on your own time and in the privacy of your own home, Tom. When you do it here, and threaten to make "here" go away, you're treading on thin ice. Barry Wright Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > The profile of the TMO is "business" and "cult". That is what > > > > > ordinary people seemore and more, when they hear the prices and > > > > > learn what the TMO stands for. > > > > > An Indian Muslim came to me and learned Transcendental > > Meditation > > > > > some weeks ago. (I am an Independent TM-Teacher). He had first > > > > > checked out the TMO - and when he came to me, he said: "I do > > not > > > > > want to be a part of a cult with Rajas and stuff. I do not want > > to > > > > > be a part of an organisation who has over-prized their courses. > > I > > > > > just want to learn Transcendental Meditation". > > > > > > > > Of course, unless things have changed, you can just learn > > > > Transcendental Meditation from the TMO without having to > > > > become part of a cult with Rajas and stuff (although of > > > > course you'll have to pay the TMO's prices). > > > > > > > > Did this gentleman really think learning TM from the TMO > > > > would mean joining a cult? Or was he just looking for a > > > > lower price? > > > > > > > Actually I've seen the "Rajas and Stuff" stop interested folks from > > > learning TM. People who were once enthusiastic about learning spend > > a > > > couple of hours surfing the web and then never mention TM again. I'd > > > bet that happens far more often than we know. > > > > > > JohnY > > > > > > > IF the Rajas stops them, anything would stop them. > > > > I actually think that the TMO doesn't really want to teach anyone in > the West the TM Technique. The impossible contrast between the what > they say and what they do seems to generate funds in an almost magical > way. Obscure the reality, milk the true believers, prosper in real > estate. It's unbelievable! We're so Deeevine, Our Actions are Soo > Subtle. You Dunderheads just don't UnderSTAND! Oh, and by the way we > do accept MasterCard and Visa (to promote World Peace, of course.) > > JohnY I think you are right.The TMO is more and more like a Religion mixed with Non-Democratic Ideas. I think it is hard for a true Muslim and other Religions to accept that. And also people who want Democracy. It seems that TM as an easy, effortless technique to release stress and strain, is over-shadowed by all this weird things. When I do the Puja as a part of the Initiation, I explain that this belong to an old Tradition, because TM belongs to an old Vedic Tradition. Everybody accept it. What people is reacting on, is the Rajas, the Focus on money, among lot of other things. Ingegerd > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The profile of the TMO is "business" and "cult". That is > > what > > > > > > ordinary people seemore and more, when they hear the prices > > and > > > > > > learn what the TMO stands for. > > > > > > An Indian Muslim came to me and learned Transcendental > > > > Meditation > > > > > > some weeks ago. (I am an Independent TM-Teacher). He had > > first > > > > > > checked out the TMO - and when he came to me, he said: "I > do > > > not > > > > > > want to be a part of a cult with Rajas and stuff. I do not > > want > > > > to > > > > > > be a part of an organisation who has over-prized their > > courses. > > > > I > > > > > > just want to learn Transcendental Meditation". > > > > > > > > > > Of course, unless things have changed, you can just learn > > > > > Transcendental Meditation from the TMO without having to > > > > > become part of a cult with Rajas and stuff (although of > > > > > course you'll have to pay the TMO's prices). > > > > > > > > > > Did this gentleman really think learning TM from the TMO > > > > > would mean joining a cult? Or was he just looking for a > > > > > lower price? > > > > > > > > He had the image that the TMO was a cult. He could not accept > > that. > > > > He is a businessman - and he could easily have paid the price of > > > > the TMO. > > > > > > But you explained to him that learning TM from the TMO > > > wouldn't mean he'd have to join a cult, right? > > > > No, I did not. I do not argue about the TMO with people. The only > > thing I say is that I am not a part of the TMO because I do not > > agree with the course fee. I do not say anything negative about the > > TMO. To explain what the TMO are or not are, is not my > > responsibility. People see what they see and make their own > > thoughts. > > Oh, I wasn't suggesting that you *argue* with him, just > that you let him know what the facts are with regard to > that particular concern. And what are the facts? Is it yours and mine subjective meaning or is it what people learn from the TMO itself? I think I do the TMO a great favour not to say anything. Ingegerd > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [...] > I actually think that the TMO doesn't really want to teach anyone in > the West the TM Technique. The impossible contrast between the what > they say and what they do seems to generate funds in an almost magical > way. Obscure the reality, milk the true believers, prosper in real > estate. It's unbelievable! We're so Deeevine, Our Actions are Soo > Subtle. You Dunderheads just don't UnderSTAND! Oh, and by the way we > do accept MasterCard and Visa (to promote World Peace, of course.) > > JohnY > Is that the attitude of the recerted teachers or even of the rajahs themselves? Sad, if so. OTOH, my impression is that MOST participants have some clue about how silly it looks to most people. As my son says: you're offended by the wearing of funny hats, secret handshakes, etc? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guide to the Perplexed? Perhaps?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Natan Ophir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Being new to this group, I would appreciate if someone posts a key > > to explain who is against whom, or pro and contra TMO, or pushing > > which agenda. Would be kind of handy for newcomers. A simple Guide > > to the Perplexed. > > With all due respect, I think the credo of this group > is that people should make such determinations for > *themselves*, not rely on others to do it for them. > Uh-oh, Judy and Unc agreed on something... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
