[FairfieldLife] Re: World Poll Favors Obama 4 to 1

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > "People outside the US would prefer Barack Obama to become US 
> > president ahead of John McCain, a BBC World Service poll suggests.
> > 
> > Democrat Mr Obama was favoured by a four-to-one margin across the 
> > 22,500 people polled in 22 countries."
> > 
> > More here:
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7606100.stm
> > 
> > So will this news make dumb-dumbs even more belligerent?
> 
> 
> Only US citizens can vote for president.  So, the world 
> opinion doesn't count.


It's not often on this forum that a seemingly
rhetorical question is so definitively answered. :-)

Anyone who believes that what the world thinks
of America "doesn't count" has lost touch with
reality. America owes its rape-the-planet-so-
that-we-can-drive-big-cars lifestyle to the
willingness of the rest of the world to be 
raped. The former victims are starting to 
carry Mace and fight back. And what they think
"doesn't count?"

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vote for Keith Olberman

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I will never forgive NBC, for letting these two disgusting
> women-hating Obama strokers launch daily characters assassination 
> on Hillary and now another woman, Palin.

I try to ignore this turkey, but seeing her name
in the From line is like standing by the railroad
tracks and seeing them broken and hearing a train
in the distance. Part of you wants to watch the
latest train wreck.

'Fess up, Rick. raunchydog is really a male wish-
I'd-been-born-a-woman crossdresser, right? No real
woman could be this stupid.

[FairfieldLife] Cell as modem?

[bob_brigante]

"Penny-pinchers who can get high-speed cell service at home may be
tempted to scrap their Internet providers and use their phones as
wireless modems. Nic Covey, an analyst with Nielsen Mobile, said:
"If you're on a 3G network, it becomes an interesting
possibility."

The networks certainly like the fact that more people connect to the Web
with their cellphones. Mr. Covey said that 43 percent of those with
mobile data cards use them most often at home, and 59 percent of them
might ditch their home Internet providers as a result.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/11/technology/personaltech/11smart.html

[FairfieldLife] A perspective on 9/11

[Jonathan Chadwick]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH-qQbxRTds&feature=related
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9csiLMRRhRA
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MML55s0exHM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3MG5vPoV54
 
>From Wikipedia:
 
David Ray Griffin (born 1939) is a retired professor of philosophy of religion 
and theology at Claremont Graduate University. Along with John B. Cobb, Jr. he 
is considered a foundational thinker in Process theology. A longtime resident 
of Santa Barbara, California, was a full-time academic from 1973 until April 
2004 and is currently a co-director of the Center for Process Studies, founded 
on the process philosophies of Alfred North Whitehead and Charles Hartshorne.
 
Griffin grew up in a small town in Oregon, where he was an active participant 
in his Disciples of Christ church. After deciding to become a minister, Griffin 
entered Northwest Christian College, but became disenchanted with the 
conservative-fundamentalist theology that was taught there. While getting his 
master’s degree in counseling from the University of Oregon, Griffin attended a 
lecture series delivered by Paul Tillich at the Graduate Theological Union in 
Berkeley, California. At this time, Griffin made his decision to focus on 
philosophical theology. He eventually attended the Claremont Graduate 
University, where Griffin received his Ph.D. in 1970.
 
As a student in Claremont, Griffin was initially interested in Eastern 
religions, particularly Vedanta. However, he started to become a process 
theologian while attending John B. Cobb's seminar on Whitehead’s philosophy. 
According to Griffin, process theology, as presented by Cobb, “provided a way 
between the old supernaturalism, according to which God miraculously 
interrupted the normal causal processes now and then, and a view according to 
which God is something like a cosmic hydraulic jack, exerting the same pressure 
always and everywhere (which described rather aptly the position to which I had 
come)", (Primordial Truth and Postmodern Theology). While applying Whitehead’s 
thought to the traditional theological subjects of christology and theodicy, 
Griffin found that process theology also provided a sound basis for addressing 
contemporary social and ecological issues.
 
After teaching theology and Eastern religions at the University of Dayton, 
Griffin came to appreciate the distinctively postmodern aspects of Whitehead’s 
thought. In particular, Griffin found Whitehead’s nonsensationist epistemology 
and panexperientialist ontology immensely helpful in addressing the major 
problems of modern philosophy, including the problems of mind-body interaction, 
the interaction between free and determined things, the emergence of experience 
from nonexperiencing matter, and the emergence of time in the evolutionary 
process. In 1973, Griffin returned to Claremont to establish, with Cobb, the 
Center for Process Studies.
 
While on research leave in 1980-81 at Cambridge University and Berkeley, the 
contrast between modernity and postmodernity became central to his work. Many 
of Griffin’s writings are devoted to developing postmodern proposals for 
overcoming the conflicts between religion and modern science. Griffin came to 
believe that much of the tension between religion and science was not only the 
result of reactionary supernaturalism, but also the mechanistic worldview 
associated with the rise of modern science in the seventeenth century. In 1983, 
Griffin started the Center for a Postmodern World in Santa Barbara, and became 
editor of the SUNY Series in Constructive Postmodern Philosophy.














  

[FairfieldLife] ahaMkaara and asmitaa?

[cardemaister]

>From Bhojadeva's comment on YS I 17:

na caahaMkaaraasmitayorbhedaH shan.kaniiyaH

An attempt at word-for-word "translation":

not(na) and(ca) difference (bhedaH) between
ahaMkaara and asmitaa (ahaMkaara-asmitayoH)
to be doubtful (shan.kaniiyaH)

My guess is that might mean something like:

And the difference between ahaMkaara and asmitaa
should not be doubtful.

 zaGkanIya [= shan.kaniiya, i.e: shang-kaniiya] mfn. to be distrusted
or suspected or apprehended (n. impers.) , doubtful , questionable
Ka1v. Hit. Sarvad. &c

Anyone know what is the difference? Bhoja tries to explain it to me
but it seems too difficult for me to even try to translate.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra: Palin is "the reverse of Barack Obama"

[raunchydog]

"Dumbf8ckistan" Is this the place where independent voters reside?
Learn this well, all high and mighty elitists, Obama can't win without
the working class and independent voters. An insult like this
demonstrates why Democrats don't win elections. Every liberal elite
who thinks he knows better than the common folk what is best for the
country, contributes to another Democratic loss.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Janet Luise" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Thanks for posting that. I was so disappointed to see that Palin got
> so many more votes than my man Biden on some recent poll. I'm about to
> believe our New York Friend who thinks most Americans live in
> Dumbf8ckistan -- a place where you want everyone to think the same way
> you do & would rather have a President you could having a beer with
> rather than one who was a lot SMARTER than you might be.  The
> Republicans are saying so many lies & don't even care that they're
> lies because people are going to vote on personality or some emotional
> thing.
> 
> This article sort of cheered me up.  Maharishi  always insisted that a
> country gets what they deserve.  in 2000 we were so equally divided in
> the US.  Who's winning now?  DIdn't he say American would get what
> they deserved in 2008? I'm trying to remind myself that this is a
> LESSON WORLD to put us through whatever lessons we need to learn in
> order to get closer to God realization...
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM slaying lawsuit court hearing

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> This whole event was such a preventable tragedy. Obviously MUM had 
no response prepared for such an event (the Killian cheek stabbing) 
most likely because it would imply a possible "weakness" which could 
lead one to question the perfection of TM, TM-Siddhis, and the ideal 
society established in Fairfield. They even tried to minimize 
Killian's injuries by telling him nothing was needed (he had a 
friggin' hole in his cheek!) and entered denial by not reporting this 
felonious assault to the local police. Then when Sem is floridly 
psychotic in the dining hall they still fail to contact the police to 
have him committed to a psychiatric facility, but instead hand him 
off to a dean (Wysong) who hasn't a clue what to do with him because 
he has no training or experience with psychosis. Wysong leaves Sem 
alone so he can do his program and the rest is history. This is 
awful, this is so tragic and MUM is so profoundly negligent; a bunch 
of incompetent fools. Truly
>  fools. And it looks like they're trying to fight this in court? My 
God, a jury will destroy MUM with punitive damages. 



I'm using my 49th posting on this because it's such an important 
issue.

Yes, Peter, I agree wholeheartedly with your observation that MUM "is 
so profoundly negligent."

But I disagree with you when you said above: "Obviously MUM had no 
response prepared for such an event."  They most certainly did have a 
response prepared for such an event but the problem was that they 
didn't follow it.  And that response was what was written in 
MUM's "Annual Safety Report and Bulletin, Fall 2003": 

"Campus Safety promptly reports ALL criminal actions to the 
appropriate state, local or federal authorities for assistance and/or 
prosecution." (my emphasis)

In other words: Zero tolerance for any breaking of the law and 
immediate contact with the police.

...and they didn't follow it for the reason you gave: that it would 
show "weakness" about the effectiveness of the various TMO programs.

But I'm also convinced that because the reporting would have skewered 
1% stats for the Maharishi Effect that there was a predisposition NOT 
to report the first attack, which was on Killian earlier in the day.  
And this was even more reprehensible than the "weakness" reason 
because it shows a conflict of interest between the promotion of TM --
 through the advertising of the Maharishi Effect -- and the orderly 
conducting of Campus activities and the safety of its students.

As for the civil case coming to trial?  I would be very surprised if 
MUM and its attorneys don't settle before that happens.  But I hope 
the Butler family holds out for the full amount that they are asking 
for with the intention of getting maximum publicity out of a trial if 
they don't get the full amount.








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> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 5:56 PM
> > http://www.ottumwa.com/local/local_story_253215632.html
> > 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: World Poll Favors Obama 4 to 1

[raunchydog]

"dumb-dumbs" Insulting the American voter from an elitist ivory tower
doesn't win votes for Obama. 
 
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > "People outside the US would prefer Barack Obama to become US 
> president 
> > ahead of John McCain, a BBC World Service poll suggests.
> > 
> > Democrat Mr Obama was favoured by a four-to-one margin across the 
> 22,500 
> > people polled in 22 countries."
> > 
> > More here:
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7606100.stm
> > 
> > So will this news make dumb-dumbs even more belligerent?
> >
> 
> Only US citizens can vote for president.  So, the world opinion doesn't 
> count.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Little Houses ...

[John]

This article is not realistic.  If a person has a family, the natural 
progression in life is to have a bigger home to shelter the family 
and children.  Thus, family life is a big responsibility.

If the author wants a simple life, he should remain a bachelor and 
can live as simply as he mentioned in the article.






--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Anyone living in such --100-200 sf "upscale" house? Anything in FF?
> 
> I have always been attracted to small living spaces. Fits my mind 
perhaps.
> 
> 
> IN his 20s, Michael Janzen made pottery and lived in a cabin in 
rural
> California that he estimates was "about the size of a two-car 
garage."
> After he married, he went into Web design for a bank, and now at 40
> has all the trappings of a successful homeowner: in-ground pool, 
maid
> service, a yard landscaped with Japanese black pine bonsai trees. 
His
> 1,800-square-foot home in Fair Oaks, Calif., a one-story model by
> Streng Brothers, midcentury builders in the Eichler mold, is of a 
kind
> coveted by fans of modern design.
> 
> Karie Hamilton for The New York Times
> 
> Others choose to actually live in theirs, like Dee Williams, whose
> 84-square-foot knotty-pine house has a tight but cozy interior.
> Enlarge This Image
> Karie Hamilton for The New York Times
> 
> So why has Mr. Janzen spent the summer building an 80-square-foot
> "tiny house" out of free stuff he found on Craigslist?
> 
> There he is on nights and weekends, designing a floor plan whose
> dimensions are measured not in feet but inches, nailing scavenged 
wood
> pallets together for the frame, or fixing up an old trailer to serve
> as the foundation. The initial reaction from his wife, Julia: "Is 
this
> a Unabomber building?"
> 
> Not exactly. According to Mr. Janzen, he came to the realization 
that
> "I don't want this life — the life of someone who's working too hard
> to pay a large mortgage to live in this house." The catalyst, he 
said,
> was watching the value of his home plummet with the rest of the real
> estate market, while the time and money required to maintain the
> property only increased. "The energy cost is enormous," he 
said, "and
> the bigger your property gets, the more there is to do."
> 
> Which is why Mr. Janzen has become interested in the small house
> movement, whose adherents believe in minimizing one's footprint —
> structural as well as carbon — by living in spaces that are smaller
> than 1,000 square feet and, in some cases, smaller than 100. Tiny
> houses have been a fringe curiosity for a decade or more, but 
devotees
> believe the concept's time has finally arrived.
> 
> "It's a very exciting moment," said Shay Salomon, a green builder in
> Tucson, Ariz., and the author of "Little House on a Small Planet"
> (Lyons Press, 2006), "because it feels like a chapter of American
> history might be ending, the chapter called `Bigger is Better.' I'm
> not the Gallup poll, but I hear the same story over and over: We got
> rid of that big house, and now I have time to see my husband. 
Before,
> we used to work all week and then we'd spend the weekend on the 
house."
> 
> Gregory Paul Johnson, a founder of the Small House Society in Iowa
> City, said that the notion of very small houses becoming popular was
> "an absurdity" five years ago. "But there are so many powerful 
forces
> at work right now," he added, "like rising energy costs and the
> mortgage crisis. I think people want small homes because they cost
> less to purchase, maintain, heat."
> 
> In July, Mr. Johnson, who lives in a 140-square-foot house made by 
the
> Tumbleweed Tiny House Company of Sebastopol, Calif., took to the 
road
> to promote his vision of living small, along with Jay Shafer,
> Tumbleweed's founder. The two men drove from Victoria, British
> Columbia, to San Diego, pulling Mr. Shafer's house behind them on a
> trailer. (Tiny houses, which rarely have foundations, are often 
built
> on trailers.)
> 
> Along the way they stopped to hold workshops and give (very brief)
> home tours. Some events drew hundreds of people. "It seems like
> everybody is fascinated by the idea of living in a tiny house," said
> Mr. Shafer, who started Tumbleweed eight years ago. "But for a long
> time, I was just selling the dream."
> 
> His business is still modest, but in the past year Mr. Shafer has 
sold
> five houses and 50 sets of plans, up from a yearly average of one
> house. The houses range in size from about 70 to nearly 800 square
> feet, cost $20,000 to $90,000 to build, and resemble birdhouses: 
boxy
> shape, wood siding and high, pitched roof.
> 
> Other builders also report increased demand. Brad Kittel, owner of
> Tiny Texas Houses in Luling, Tex., said he had built 10 homes this
> year, up from four in all of 2007.
> 
> In recent years, small dwellings have begun to get the high-design
> treatment, which could attract more people. The London-based 
designer
> Nina Tolstrup built the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra: Palin is "the reverse of Barack Obama"

[Janet Luise]

Thanks for posting that. I was so disappointed to see that Palin got
so many more votes than my man Biden on some recent poll. I'm about to
believe our New York Friend who thinks most Americans live in
Dumbf8ckistan -- a place where you want everyone to think the same way
you do & would rather have a President you could having a beer with
rather than one who was a lot SMARTER than you might be.  The
Republicans are saying so many lies & don't even care that they're
lies because people are going to vote on personality or some emotional
thing.

This article sort of cheered me up.  Maharishi  always insisted that a
country gets what they deserve.  in 2000 we were so equally divided in
the US.  Who's winning now?  DIdn't he say American would get what
they deserved in 2008? I'm trying to remind myself that this is a
LESSON WORLD to put us through whatever lessons we need to learn in
order to get closer to God realization...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra: Palin is "the reverse of Barack Obama"

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Obama and the Palin Effect
> 
> by Deepak Chopra
> Huffington Post, September 9, 2008
> http://tinyurl.com/5z4p55
> 
> 
> Sometimes politics has the uncanny effect of mirroring the national
> psyche even when nobody intended to do that. This is perfectly
> illustrated by the rousing effect that Gov. Sarah Palin had on the
> Republican convention in Minneapolis this week. 
> 
> On the surface, she outdoes former Vice President Dan Quayle as an
> unlikely choice, given her negligent parochial expertise in the
> complex affairs of governing. Her state of Alaska has less than
> 700,000 residents, which reduces the job of governor to the scale of
> running one-tenth of New York City. By comparison, Rudy Giuliani is 
a
> towering international figure. Palin's pluck has been admired, and 
her
> forthrightness, but her real appeal goes deeper.
> 
> She is the reverse of Barack Obama, in essence his shadow, deriding
> his idealism and exhorting people to obey their worst impulses. 
> 
> In psychological terms the shadow is that part of the psyche that
> hides out of sight, countering our aspirations, virtue, and vision
> with qualities we are ashamed to face: anger, fear, revenge, 
violence,
> selfishness, and suspicion of "the other." For millions of 
Americans,
> Obama triggers those feelings, but they don't want to express them. 
He
> is calling for us to reach for our higher selves, and frankly, that
> stirs up hidden reactions of an unsavory kind.
> 
> (Just to be perfectly clear, I am not making a verbal play out of 
the
> fact that Sen. Obama is black. The shadow is a metaphor widely in 
use
> before his arrival on the scene.) 
> 
> I recognize that psychological analysis of politics is usually not
> welcome by the public, but I believe such a perspective can be 
helpful
> here to understand Palin's message. In her acceptance speech Gov.
> Palin sent a rousing call to those who want to celebrate their
> resistance to change and a higher vision.
> 
> Look at what she stands for:
> 
> --Small town values -- a denial of America's global role, a return 
to
> petty, small-minded parochialism.
> 
> --Ignorance of world affairs -- a repudiation of the need to repair
> America's image abroad.
> 
> --Family values -- a code for walling out anybody who makes a claim
> for social justice. Such strangers, being outside the family, don't
> need to be heeded.
> 
> --Rigid stands on guns and abortion -- a scornful repudiation that
> these issues can be negotiated with those who disagree.
> 
> --Patriotism -- the usual fallback in a failed war.
> 
> --"Reform" -- an italicized term, since in addition to cleaning out
> corruption and excessive spending, one also throws out anyone who
> doesn't fit your ideology.
> 
> Palin reinforces the overall message of the reactionary right, which
> has been in play since 1980, that social justice is liberal-radical,
> that minorities and immigrants, being different from "us" pure
> American types, can be ignored, that progressivism takes too much
> effort and globalism is a foreign threat. 
> 
> The radical right marches under the banners of "I'm all right, 
Jack,"
> and "Why change? Everything's OK as it is." The irony, of course, is
> that Gov. Palin is a woman and a reactionary at the same time. She 
can
> add mom to apple pie on her resume, while blithely reversing forty
> years of feminist progress. 
> 
> The irony is superficial; there are millions of women who stand on 
the
> side of conservatism, however obviously they are voting against 
their
> own good. 
> 
> The Republicans have won multiple national elections by raising 
shadow
> issues based on fear, rejection, hostility to change, and
> narrow-mindedness.
> 
> Obama's call for higher ideals in politics can't be seen in a 
vacuum.
> The shadow is real; it was bound to respond. Not just conservatives
> possess a shadow -- we all do. 
> 
> So what comes next is a contest between the two forces of progress 
and
> inertia. Will the shadow win again, or has its furtive appeal become
> exhausted? No one can predict. 
> 
> The best thing about Gov. Palin is that she brought this conflict to
> light, which makes the upcoming debate honest. It would be a shame 
to
> elect another Reagan, whose smiling persona was a stalking horse for
> the reactionary forces that have brought us to the demoralized state
> we are in. 
> 
> We deserve to see what we are getting, without disguise.
>

Chopra's opinion piece is very insightful.  It makes me think about 
the viability of having Palin as VP, a position which is only a 
heartbeat away from the presidency.

[FairfieldLife] Re: World Poll Favors Obama 4 to 1

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "People outside the US would prefer Barack Obama to become US 
president 
> ahead of John McCain, a BBC World Service poll suggests.
> 
> Democrat Mr Obama was favoured by a four-to-one margin across the 
22,500 
> people polled in 22 countries."
> 
> More here:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7606100.stm
> 
> So will this news make dumb-dumbs even more belligerent?
>

Only US citizens can vote for president.  So, the world opinion doesn't 
count.

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM slaying lawsuit court hearing

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> This whole event was such a preventable tragedy. Obviously MUM had 
no response prepared for such an event (the Killian cheek stabbing) 
most likely because it would imply a possible "weakness" which could 
lead one to question the perfection of TM, TM-Siddhis, and the ideal 
society established in Fairfield. They even tried to minimize 
Killian's injuries by telling him nothing was needed (he had a 
friggin' hole in his cheek!) and entered denial by not reporting this 
felonious assault to the local police. Then when Sem is floridly 
psychotic in the dining hall they still fail to contact the police to 
have him committed to a psychiatric facility, but instead hand him 
off to a dean (Wysong) who hasn't a clue what to do with him because 
he has no training or experience with psychosis. Wysong leaves Sem 
alone so he can do his program and the rest is history. This is 
awful, this is so tragic and MUM is so profoundly negligent; a bunch 
of incompetent fools. Truly
>  fools. And it looks like they're trying to fight this in court? My 
God, a jury will destroy MUM with punitive damages. 
> 
> 

***

MUM really has no role to play now -- the negotiations and handling 
of the court case is being orchestrated by the insurance company. I 
presume that if at all possible there will be an outofcourt on this.




> --- On Wed, 9/10/08, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > From: bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] MUM slaying lawsuit court hearing
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 5:56 PM
> > http://www.ottumwa.com/local/local_story_253215632.html
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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[FairfieldLife] Video footage on Fairfield/TM by Lynch (?)

[bob_brigante]

http://pages.citebite.com/d7a9i9k8lxpd

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Little Houses ...

[Sal Sunshine]

On Sep 10, 2008, at 10:37 PM, new.morning wrote:


With a bit of land, some greenhouses and gardens around the house ---


a loaf of bread, a jug of wine...

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Little Houses ...

[new . morning]

With a bit of land, some greenhouses and gardens around the house ---

pics

http://www.tumbleweedhouses.com/houses/

http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/multimedia/2008/01/modular_homes?slide=4&slideView=4

http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/multimedia/2008/01/modular_homes?slide=5&slideView=5

http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/multimedia/2008/01/modular_homes?slide=6&slideView=6

http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/multimedia/2008/01/modular_homes?slide=7&slideView=7

http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/multimedia/2008/01/modular_homes?slide=9&slideView=9
The 420 sf I don't think is an accident.

http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/multimedia/2008/01/modular_homes?slide=10&slideView=10





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Anyone living in such --100-200 sf "upscale" house? Anything in FF?
> 
> I have always been attracted to small living spaces. Fits my mind
perhaps.
> 
> 
> IN his 20s, Michael Janzen made pottery and lived in a cabin in rural
> California that he estimates was "about the size of a two-car garage."
> After he married, he went into Web design for a bank, and now at 40
> has all the trappings of a successful homeowner: in-ground pool, maid
> service, a yard landscaped with Japanese black pine bonsai trees. His
> 1,800-square-foot home in Fair Oaks, Calif., a one-story model by
> Streng Brothers, midcentury builders in the Eichler mold, is of a kind
> coveted by fans of modern design.
> 
> Karie Hamilton for The New York Times
> 
> Others choose to actually live in theirs, like Dee Williams, whose
> 84-square-foot knotty-pine house has a tight but cozy interior.
> Enlarge This Image
> Karie Hamilton for The New York Times
> 
> So why has Mr. Janzen spent the summer building an 80-square-foot
> "tiny house" out of free stuff he found on Craigslist?
> 
> There he is on nights and weekends, designing a floor plan whose
> dimensions are measured not in feet but inches, nailing scavenged wood
> pallets together for the frame, or fixing up an old trailer to serve
> as the foundation. The initial reaction from his wife, Julia: "Is this
> a Unabomber building?"
> 
> Not exactly. According to Mr. Janzen, he came to the realization that
> "I don't want this life — the life of someone who's working too hard
> to pay a large mortgage to live in this house." The catalyst, he said,
> was watching the value of his home plummet with the rest of the real
> estate market, while the time and money required to maintain the
> property only increased. "The energy cost is enormous," he said, "and
> the bigger your property gets, the more there is to do."
> 
> Which is why Mr. Janzen has become interested in the small house
> movement, whose adherents believe in minimizing one's footprint —
> structural as well as carbon — by living in spaces that are smaller
> than 1,000 square feet and, in some cases, smaller than 100. Tiny
> houses have been a fringe curiosity for a decade or more, but devotees
> believe the concept's time has finally arrived.
> 
> "It's a very exciting moment," said Shay Salomon, a green builder in
> Tucson, Ariz., and the author of "Little House on a Small Planet"
> (Lyons Press, 2006), "because it feels like a chapter of American
> history might be ending, the chapter called `Bigger is Better.' I'm
> not the Gallup poll, but I hear the same story over and over: We got
> rid of that big house, and now I have time to see my husband. Before,
> we used to work all week and then we'd spend the weekend on the house."
> 
> Gregory Paul Johnson, a founder of the Small House Society in Iowa
> City, said that the notion of very small houses becoming popular was
> "an absurdity" five years ago. "But there are so many powerful forces
> at work right now," he added, "like rising energy costs and the
> mortgage crisis. I think people want small homes because they cost
> less to purchase, maintain, heat."
> 
> In July, Mr. Johnson, who lives in a 140-square-foot house made by the
> Tumbleweed Tiny House Company of Sebastopol, Calif., took to the road
> to promote his vision of living small, along with Jay Shafer,
> Tumbleweed's founder. The two men drove from Victoria, British
> Columbia, to San Diego, pulling Mr. Shafer's house behind them on a
> trailer. (Tiny houses, which rarely have foundations, are often built
> on trailers.)
> 
> Along the way they stopped to hold workshops and give (very brief)
> home tours. Some events drew hundreds of people. "It seems like
> everybody is fascinated by the idea of living in a tiny house," said
> Mr. Shafer, who started Tumbleweed eight years ago. "But for a long
> time, I was just selling the dream."
> 
> His business is still modest, but in the past year Mr. Shafer has sold
> five houses and 50 sets of plans, up from a yearly average of one
> house. The houses range in size from about 70 to nearly 800 square
> feet, cost $20,000 to $90,000 to build, and resemble birdhouses: boxy
> 

[FairfieldLife] Little Houses ...

[new . morning]

Anyone living in such --100-200 sf "upscale" house? Anything in FF?

I have always been attracted to small living spaces. Fits my mind perhaps.


IN his 20s, Michael Janzen made pottery and lived in a cabin in rural
California that he estimates was "about the size of a two-car garage."
After he married, he went into Web design for a bank, and now at 40
has all the trappings of a successful homeowner: in-ground pool, maid
service, a yard landscaped with Japanese black pine bonsai trees. His
1,800-square-foot home in Fair Oaks, Calif., a one-story model by
Streng Brothers, midcentury builders in the Eichler mold, is of a kind
coveted by fans of modern design.

Karie Hamilton for The New York Times

Others choose to actually live in theirs, like Dee Williams, whose
84-square-foot knotty-pine house has a tight but cozy interior.
Enlarge This Image
Karie Hamilton for The New York Times

So why has Mr. Janzen spent the summer building an 80-square-foot
"tiny house" out of free stuff he found on Craigslist?

There he is on nights and weekends, designing a floor plan whose
dimensions are measured not in feet but inches, nailing scavenged wood
pallets together for the frame, or fixing up an old trailer to serve
as the foundation. The initial reaction from his wife, Julia: "Is this
a Unabomber building?"

Not exactly. According to Mr. Janzen, he came to the realization that
"I don't want this life — the life of someone who's working too hard
to pay a large mortgage to live in this house." The catalyst, he said,
was watching the value of his home plummet with the rest of the real
estate market, while the time and money required to maintain the
property only increased. "The energy cost is enormous," he said, "and
the bigger your property gets, the more there is to do."

Which is why Mr. Janzen has become interested in the small house
movement, whose adherents believe in minimizing one's footprint —
structural as well as carbon — by living in spaces that are smaller
than 1,000 square feet and, in some cases, smaller than 100. Tiny
houses have been a fringe curiosity for a decade or more, but devotees
believe the concept's time has finally arrived.

"It's a very exciting moment," said Shay Salomon, a green builder in
Tucson, Ariz., and the author of "Little House on a Small Planet"
(Lyons Press, 2006), "because it feels like a chapter of American
history might be ending, the chapter called `Bigger is Better.' I'm
not the Gallup poll, but I hear the same story over and over: We got
rid of that big house, and now I have time to see my husband. Before,
we used to work all week and then we'd spend the weekend on the house."

Gregory Paul Johnson, a founder of the Small House Society in Iowa
City, said that the notion of very small houses becoming popular was
"an absurdity" five years ago. "But there are so many powerful forces
at work right now," he added, "like rising energy costs and the
mortgage crisis. I think people want small homes because they cost
less to purchase, maintain, heat."

In July, Mr. Johnson, who lives in a 140-square-foot house made by the
Tumbleweed Tiny House Company of Sebastopol, Calif., took to the road
to promote his vision of living small, along with Jay Shafer,
Tumbleweed's founder. The two men drove from Victoria, British
Columbia, to San Diego, pulling Mr. Shafer's house behind them on a
trailer. (Tiny houses, which rarely have foundations, are often built
on trailers.)

Along the way they stopped to hold workshops and give (very brief)
home tours. Some events drew hundreds of people. "It seems like
everybody is fascinated by the idea of living in a tiny house," said
Mr. Shafer, who started Tumbleweed eight years ago. "But for a long
time, I was just selling the dream."

His business is still modest, but in the past year Mr. Shafer has sold
five houses and 50 sets of plans, up from a yearly average of one
house. The houses range in size from about 70 to nearly 800 square
feet, cost $20,000 to $90,000 to build, and resemble birdhouses: boxy
shape, wood siding and high, pitched roof.

Other builders also report increased demand. Brad Kittel, owner of
Tiny Texas Houses in Luling, Tex., said he had built 10 homes this
year, up from four in all of 2007.

In recent years, small dwellings have begun to get the high-design
treatment, which could attract more people. The London-based designer
Nina Tolstrup built the 388-square-foot Tiny Beach Chalet, which has
drawn attention on design blogs. One of the stars of the Museum of
Modern Art's current exhibit on prefabricated houses is the Micro
Compact Home, a 73-square-foot cube by the British architect Richard
Horden.

"When you build small you can spend money on higher-quality
materials," said Jared Volpe, a Web designer in North Ferrisburgh,
Vt., who runs the blog smallhousestyle.com. Mr. Volpe said he is often
amazed at how aesthetically pleasing many of the latest small homes
are. In the year since he started his blog he has received increasing
numbe

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vote for Keith Olberman

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Let's see if we can change this...Olberman was recently downgraded
(censored)
> for his political commentary on MSNBC. Let's show Keith that we
appreciate
> his standing up for democracy and common sense during the Bush years.
>
> At http://siouxcityjournal.com   there is
a vote going on for Keith Olberman,
> Like him or Don't Like him.
>
> Scroll down the page to see it and vote.>>

I can't see the voting thingy. He still has his show -   
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odb09esH8z4


OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM slaying lawsuit court hearing

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> http://www.ottumwa.com/local/local_story_253215632.html

>

I wonder, if this works for the family (which I totally understand their
approach) will the anti-TM'rs here then call for ...oh33 times as
big an action against Virginia Tech (33 or more killed by one man), Uni.
of Iowa, Uni. of California, Columbine, etc, etc.

The problem is not MUM, the problem is that America is a horribly evil
and violent place. Only raising collective consiousness will change
that...and Ravi Shankar and Ammachi do not have the juice to do that.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] MUM slaying lawsuit court hearing

[Peter]

This whole event was such a preventable tragedy. Obviously MUM had no response 
prepared for such an event (the Killian cheek stabbing) most likely because it 
would imply a possible "weakness" which could lead one to question the 
perfection of TM, TM-Siddhis, and the ideal society established in Fairfield. 
They even tried to minimize Killian's injuries by telling him nothing was 
needed (he had a friggin' hole in his cheek!) and entered denial by not 
reporting this felonious assault to the local police. Then when Sem is floridly 
psychotic in the dining hall they still fail to contact the police to have him 
committed to a psychiatric facility, but instead hand him off to a dean 
(Wysong) who hasn't a clue what to do with him because he has no training or 
experience with psychosis. Wysong leaves Sem alone so he can do his program and 
the rest is history. This is awful, this is so tragic and MUM is so profoundly 
negligent; a bunch of incompetent fools. Truly
 fools. And it looks like they're trying to fight this in court? My God, a jury 
will destroy MUM with punitive damages. 


--- On Wed, 9/10/08, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] MUM slaying lawsuit court hearing
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 5:56 PM
> http://www.ottumwa.com/local/local_story_253215632.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To subscribe, send a message to:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Or go to: 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
> and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 

  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vote for Keith Olberman

[raunchydog]

The media has been completely in the tank for Obama for months, and
nothing more than a mouthpiece for their corporate and government
allies.  But, with the pick of Palin as VP the Obama campaign went
into hyperdrive, spewing the vile misogynistic hatred they usually
reserved for Hillary. 

Olbermann and Matthews have been having tingling mental sex with
Barack Obama the entire year.  Now they will step down from anchoring
election news, after they let these two jerks run wild throughout the
entire primary season, helping the DNC to "select" a loser for the
Democratic Party.

I will never forgive NBC, for letting these two disgusting
women-hating Obama strokers launch daily characters assassination on
Hillary and now another woman, Palin.

Other employees of NBC find them embarrassing enough to speak out,
even accusing MSNBC, the sexist biased Obama network, of acting like
"heroin addicts". http://tinyurl.com/5l54r3


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Let's see if we can change this...Olberman was recently downgraded
(censored)
> for his political commentary on MSNBC. Let's show Keith that we
appreciate
> his standing up for democracy and common sense during the Bush years.
> 
> At http://siouxcityjournal.com there is a vote going on for Keith
Olberman,
> Like him or Don't Like him.
> 
> Scroll down the page to see it and vote.
> 
> He had gained in popularity since I first received the post to 40%
positive 60% negative.
>

[FairfieldLife] Bees do the wave to scare away predators

[off_world_beings]

Bees do the wave to scare away predators:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp8tLPDMUyg


OffWorld

Re: [FairfieldLife] Unfit for High Office

[Sal Sunshine]

On Sep 10, 2008, at 8:24 PM, do.rflex wrote:


And today McCain comes out with this rancid, race-baiting ad based on
another lie. Willie Horton looks mild by comparison. (And remember,
President George H.W. Bush never ran the Willie Horton ad himself. It
was an outside group. He wasn't willing to degrade himself that far.)

As TPM Reader JM said below, at least Horton actually was released on
a furlough. This is ugly stuff. And this is an ugly person. There's
clearly no level of sleaze this guy won't stoop to to win this  
election.


Here's the response from the Obama campaign, and I think
it's a pretty good one:

"It is shameful and downright perverse for the McCain campaign to use  
a bill that was written to protect young children from sexual  
predators as a recycled and discredited political attack against a  
father of two young girls - a position that his friend Mitt Romney  
also holds. Last week, John McCain told Time magazine he couldn't  
define what honor was. Now we know why."


No kidding.

http://tinyurl.com/6hdps8

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Ron Paul & Ralph Nader joint interview on CNN - Wolf Blitzer

[off_world_beings]

Ron Paul & Ralph Nader joint interview on CNN - Wolf Blitzer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yKL1NvDGt0


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[FairfieldLife] "What the 9/11 Commission Report did to us."

[off_world_beings]

"What the 9/11 Commission Report did to us."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SB4V1sDjyI




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[FairfieldLife] Re: 911 conspiracy films

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> bob_brigante wrote:
> > "But the most annoying thing about the movies—and the
Truthers—is that
> > the actual truth, in all its awful complexity, isn't enough for
them.
> > No matter that 3,000 Americans died because of bungling and
blowback,
> > or that the Bush administration twisted their deaths into pretexts
for
> > unnecessary war and executive power run amok. The Truthers want
more.
> > They've missed the real lesson of the Bush administration, which is
not
> > that a secretive cabal runs the White House, but that its diabolic
> > intent has been trumped by its staggering incompetence. Seven years
on,
> > the neocon notion that imperial power can reshape reality has been
> > fully exposed as a fantasy. Yet the Truthers cling to the myth of
> > official omnipotence, making them some of the last Americans who
still
> > believe that this administration could successfully pull off
anything
> > bigger than T-ball on the South Lawn.
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/63fe9z
> >
> > from:
> > http://www.motherjones.com//arts/feature/2008/09/media-jones
> > -the-truth-is-out-there.html
> What this shows is how little the writer knows about the 9-11 truth
> movement. There are numerous theories about who was really behind 9-11
> not just one. There are all kinds of gaps and flaws in the "official
> version" of 9-11. The latest video in the 9-11 truth movement is
"Fabled
> Enemies" which is presented more like an attorney giving a final
> summation to a journey and you can draw your own conclusions. It *is*
> pretty clear that the Bush administration was given advance warning of
> an attack and why they chose to ignore it is a mystery (unless they
> wanted to use it to their advantage). >>

And then add to that afore-knowledge that Cheney ordered any fighter
planes in the vicinity to stay on the ground. This is against protocol
for such an attack. Period.

< attacks used as a pretext to armed conflict. >>

Yes, including the Vietnam war, according to recently declassified
government documents.

< be any different? In fact you might just look at the recent "false
flag"
> attacks by Georgia on Ossetia for starters.>>

Especially when there is a lot of money to be made. Some people are so
naive to think that no-one could do this, but its been done before in
recent history, and there are people in the world so calous that they
could plan and do it to their own people.

And what about the Anthrax attack. That was not done by that guy that
"committed suicide" , and the investigation has been deliberately
unsuccessful. What about the British scientist who was crucial to this
whole affair and had evidence that someone didn't want to come out,
"committing suicide" in a way that no-one commits suicide and is
virtually impossibe.

What about the high end call girls who were about to spill the beans  on
a bunch of Washington insiders who also "committed suicide" after
stating emphatically that they would not commit suicide, (when asked
because of previous incidents)



> What I would like to know is why you would chose to believe that 19
Arab
> terrorists armed with all things just box cutters could have been
> responsible for 9-11? >

And how come at least 6 of the 'hikackers' are alive and well and living
and working as ordinary people in the middle east and have never had any
connection to any criminal activity?

 passengers took down flight 93 when during the recent terrorist court
> case the military prosecutor said the flight was shot down? Rumsfield
> made numerous slips to the press saying it was shot down. They lie too
> us. They lied to us about WMDs. They lied to us about Iraq. How can
you
> believe on 9-11?
>
> But then some people believe the marketing bullshit of the TMO.>

I only believe in peer-reviewed research published in respected
scientific journals of which TM has more than any other technique,
pharmaceutical medicine, or anythingby far. Nothing else under the
sun comes remotely close, and the NIH have given 20 million in research
funding because of this, and TM is a recmmended rehabilitation technique
by the state of Missouri, and Dr. Lybimov, hugely respected
nueroscientist of Russia was astounded by the EEG patterns. In addition,
modern physics comes to the same conclusions that Maharishi expounded
about the reality of existence.

But hey, some joker with a bachelors degree in biology says different,
so you believe him over all the real experts.

OffWorld


>
> Fabled Enemies:
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2144933190875239407
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: 911 conspiracy films

[off_world_beings]

Maybe, but can anyone here explain how one of the hijackers that went
with the plane into that massive ball of flame on hitting one of the
towers, from which NOTHING was recovered of the aicraft, somehow,
dropped his passport in that ball of flame, the passport wisked itself
out of there, dropped to the ground and was picked up on hood of a car
on the ground amongst the endless dust, completely unscorched or damaged
in any way, by a policemen. Then the CIA post this finding of the
passport as further proof of their claim of who the hijackers were.
This alone is beyond belief, but I suppose by some miracle the
hijacker's passport could have landed there, in perfect condition, as
the ONLY thing that survived the explosion and massive ball of fire
(yeah rightno chance).

BUT, then it is discovered that this hijacker is alive and well and
working as a pilot or something in the middle east. He was not there.

Can someone here please give me a rational explanation for these known
facts?

OffWorld

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> "But the most annoying thing about the movies—and the
Truthers—is that
> the actual truth, in all its awful complexity, isn't enough for them.
> No matter that 3,000 Americans died because of bungling and blowback,
> or that the Bush administration twisted their deaths into pretexts for
> unnecessary war and executive power run amok. The Truthers want more.
> They've missed the real lesson of the Bush administration, which is
not
> that a secretive cabal runs the White House, but that its diabolic
> intent has been trumped by its staggering incompetence. Seven years
on,
> the neocon notion that imperial power can reshape reality has been
> fully exposed as a fantasy. Yet the Truthers cling to the myth of
> official omnipotence, making them some of the last Americans who still
> believe that this administration could successfully pull off anything
> bigger than T-ball on the South Lawn.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/63fe9z 
>
> from:
> http://www.motherjones.com//arts/feature/2008/09/media-jones

> -the-truth-is-out-there.html
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfit for High Office

[off_world_beings]

I've never seen anyone lie so much as John McCain does. Almost every
sentence he says is a lie. And then you look into his political career
and you find a lot of lies there too. Then you wonder about the truth of
his Vietnam imprisonment. Then you find out that many veterans who were
in that camp say he is lying about what was done to him, and that no-one
liked him there because he was so volatile and explosive. The Vietnamese
claimed he opened up immediatly and started telling them strategic
secrets.

Its hard to believe anyone who is lying every day now and it is obvious
to everyone.

OffWorld

like a canary and --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>
>
> Unfit for High Office
>
> One of the interesting aspects of this campaign is watching the scales
> fall from the eyes of many of John McCain's closest admirers among the
> veteran DC press corps. I'm not talking about the freaks on Fox News
> or any of the sycophants at the AP. I'm talking about, let's say, the
> better sort of reporters and commentators in the 45 to 65 age bracket.
>
> To the extent that the press was McCain's base (and in many though now
> sillier respects it still is) this was the base of the base. And
> talking to a number of them I can understand why that was, at least in
> the sense of the person he was then presenting himself as.
>
> But over the last ... maybe six weeks, in various conversations with
> these folks, the change is palpable. Whether it will make any
> difference in the tone of coverage in the dominant media I do not
> know. But it is sinking in.
>
> All politicians stretch the truth, massage it into the best fit with
> their message. But, let's face it, John McCain is running a campaign
> almost entirely based on straight up lies. Not just exaggerations or
> half truths but the sort of straight up, up-is-down mind-blowers we've
> become so accustomed to from the current occupants of the White House.
>
> And today McCain comes out with this rancid, race-baiting ad based on
> another lie. Willie Horton looks mild by comparison. (And remember,
> President George H.W. Bush never ran the Willie Horton ad himself. It
> was an outside group. He wasn't willing to degrade himself that far.)
>
> As TPM Reader JM said below, at least Horton actually was released on
> a furlough. This is ugly stuff. And this is an ugly person. There's
> clearly no level of sleaze this guy won't stoop to to win this
election.
>
> And let's be frank. He might win it. This is clearly a testing time
> for Obama supporters.
>
> But I want to return to a point I made a few years ago during the
> Social Security battle with President Bush. Winning and losing is
> never fully in one's control -- not in politics or in life. What is
> always within our control is how we fight and bear up under pressure.
>
> It's easy to get twisted up in your head about strategy and message
> and optics. But what is already apparent is that John McCain is
> running the sleaziest, most dishonest and race-baiting campaign of our
> lifetimes. So let's stopped being shocked and awed by every new
> example of it. It is undignified.
>
> What can we do? We've got a dangerously reckless contender for the
> presidency and a vice presidential candidate who distinguished her
> self by abuse of office even on the comparatively small political
> stage of Alaska.
>
> They've both embraced a level of dishonesty that disqualifies them for
> high office. Democrats owe it to the country to make clear who these
> people are. No apologies or excuses. If Democrats can say at the end
> of this campaign that they made clear exactly how and why these two
> are unfit for high office they can be satisfied they served their
country.
>
> --Josh Marshall
> Links here: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/215224.php

>

[FairfieldLife] Unfit for High Office

[do.rflex]

Unfit for High Office

One of the interesting aspects of this campaign is watching the scales
fall from the eyes of many of John McCain's closest admirers among the
veteran DC press corps. I'm not talking about the freaks on Fox News
or any of the sycophants at the AP. I'm talking about, let's say, the
better sort of reporters and commentators in the 45 to 65 age bracket.

To the extent that the press was McCain's base (and in many though now
sillier respects it still is) this was the base of the base. And
talking to a number of them I can understand why that was, at least in
the sense of the person he was then presenting himself as.

But over the last ... maybe six weeks, in various conversations with
these folks, the change is palpable. Whether it will make any
difference in the tone of coverage in the dominant media I do not
know. But it is sinking in.

All politicians stretch the truth, massage it into the best fit with
their message. But, let's face it, John McCain is running a campaign
almost entirely based on straight up lies. Not just exaggerations or
half truths but the sort of straight up, up-is-down mind-blowers we've
become so accustomed to from the current occupants of the White House.

And today McCain comes out with this rancid, race-baiting ad based on
another lie. Willie Horton looks mild by comparison. (And remember,
President George H.W. Bush never ran the Willie Horton ad himself. It
was an outside group. He wasn't willing to degrade himself that far.)

As TPM Reader JM said below, at least Horton actually was released on
a furlough. This is ugly stuff. And this is an ugly person. There's
clearly no level of sleaze this guy won't stoop to to win this election.

And let's be frank. He might win it. This is clearly a testing time
for Obama supporters.

But I want to return to a point I made a few years ago during the
Social Security battle with President Bush. Winning and losing is
never fully in one's control -- not in politics or in life. What is
always within our control is how we fight and bear up under pressure.

It's easy to get twisted up in your head about strategy and message
and optics. But what is already apparent is that John McCain is
running the sleaziest, most dishonest and race-baiting campaign of our
lifetimes. So let's stopped being shocked and awed by every new
example of it. It is undignified.

What can we do? We've got a dangerously reckless contender for the
presidency and a vice presidential candidate who distinguished her
self by abuse of office even on the comparatively small political
stage of Alaska.

They've both embraced a level of dishonesty that disqualifies them for
high office. Democrats owe it to the country to make clear who these
people are. No apologies or excuses. If Democrats can say at the end
of this campaign that they made clear exactly how and why these two
are unfit for high office they can be satisfied they served their country.

--Josh Marshall
Links here: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/215224.php

[FairfieldLife] "I don't vote for people just because they have a uterus"

[frosty . mage]

Commentary: It's not Hillary's role to attack Sarah Palin

By Jane Condon
Special to CNN

Editor's Note: Jane Condon is a comedian who has appeared on "The 
View," "Girl's Night Out" and "Last Comic Standing." Visit her Web 
site.

GREENWICH, Connecticut (CNN) -- What's great about the campaign now 
is that I don't have a dog in the fight.

I am (and always will be) a Hillary Clinton supporter. Now that Our 
Girl has had her chance, I and many of the quiet women like me will 
vanish into the woodwork.

We never really were that political. We just knew she was the most 
qualified person running for president. And yes, she was a women, so 
we felt called to help her. (Finally, one of ours!)

She played in the big leagues, and she lost. Obama won and had every 
right to pick his own vice president. Well, we women felt a little 
dissed that he didn't even vet Our Girl. But again, that's his choice.

I believe if he'd picked Our Girl, he would have won the national 
election. (Eighteen million is a lot of voters. She, most likely, 
would have delivered Ohio, Pennsylvania, Indiana, Florida and 
Michigan to him.)

If Obama had picked Our Girl, most likely, Sarah Palin would not have 
been the vice presidential choice. Sensing the national hunger for a 
female candidate, however, the Republicans (or let's give the man 
credit -- John McCain) picked one instead.

Here's the tricky part. Women do not consider women interchangeable. 
Hillary and Sarah are about as far apart as two candidates could be. 
Hillary is pro-choice, pro-gun control and pro-gay. Sarah is pro-
life, pro-gun and anti-gay.

Hillary supporters would rarely become Sarah girls. But, out of 
curiosity, like the rest of America, they did listen to her 
convention speech. And, by any measure, Gov. Palin gave a helluva 
speech.

All her family challenges became positives. She had her Down syndrome 
child, and now she is the advocate for children with special needs. 
Her eldest son doesn't go to college? She's a military mom! He's 
going to Iraq! And her teenage daughter who became pregnant? Well, 
Sarah's messy family began to look like everyone else's messy family, 
and thus she awakened the quiet women of her party. The Conservative 
Christians. The Hockey Moms. They are so energized you can feel it.

I'll say this: I like the cut of your jib, Sarah Palin. You're smart 
and funny and feisty. I get the feeling that nobody pushes around The 
Sarah. (And we women are tired of being pushed around.)

I can't vote for you because we are on the opposite side of the 
issues. I don't vote for people just because they have a uterus. But 
I sincerely hope you and your quiet women have a great ride, just the 
way we did. Give 'em hell, Sarah!

This week, the drums are beating for Hillary to attack Sarah. I don't 
think she should. I don't think she would. Being the pit bull is the 
job of the vice presidential candidate.

Obama's people made their choice after a long, exhaustive search. I 
wish Sen. Joe Biden luck. Although he clearly has more knowledge and 
experience than the governor of Alaska, he has a delicate task ahead. 
If he uses too heavy a hand with Sarah, women will turn on him. I 
don't envy him his job.

How can Hillary help the ticket though? The dust will eventually 
settle on the Sarah phenomenon. Hillary should do as she has always 
done -- articulate the issues. Soldier on.

Trust the American people, in the end, to ask who is on their side. 
Who feels the same way about health care, taxes, the economy and 
Iraq? About gun control, gays and choice?

Hillary is reminding me to vote for the Democrats, because their 
issues and positions are my issues and positions. Tip O'Neill, late 
Speaker of the House, always said that people liked to be asked for 
their vote. That should be Hillary's job. Ask for our vote, and we 
will give it to you. Or perhaps I should say, your party.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/10/condon.palin/index.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra: Palin is "the reverse of Barack Obama"

[gandalfaragorn]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Obama and the Palin Effect
> 
> by Deepak Chopra
> Huffington Post, September 9, 2008
> http://tinyurl.com/5z4p55
> 
> 
> Sometimes politics has the uncanny effect of mirroring the national
> psyche even when nobody intended to do that. This is perfectly
> illustrated by the rousing effect that Gov. Sarah Palin had on the
> Republican convention in Minneapolis this week. 
> 
> On the surface, she outdoes former Vice President Dan Quayle as an
> unlikely choice, given her negligent parochial expertise in the
> complex affairs of governing. Her state of Alaska has less than
> 700,000 residents, which reduces the job of governor to the scale of
> running one-tenth of New York City. By comparison, Rudy Giuliani is a
> towering international figure. Palin's pluck has been admired, and her
> forthrightness, but her real appeal goes deeper.
> 
> She is the reverse of Barack Obama, in essence his shadow, deriding
> his idealism and exhorting people to obey their worst impulses. 
> 
> In psychological terms the shadow is that part of the psyche that
> hides out of sight, countering our aspirations, virtue, and vision
> with qualities we are ashamed to face: anger, fear, revenge, violence,
> selfishness, and suspicion of "the other." For millions of Americans,
> Obama triggers those feelings, but they don't want to express them. He
> is calling for us to reach for our higher selves, and frankly, that
> stirs up hidden reactions of an unsavory kind.
> 
> (Just to be perfectly clear, I am not making a verbal play out of the
> fact that Sen. Obama is black. The shadow is a metaphor widely in use
> before his arrival on the scene.) 
> 
> I recognize that psychological analysis of politics is usually not
> welcome by the public, but I believe such a perspective can be helpful
> here to understand Palin's message. In her acceptance speech Gov.
> Palin sent a rousing call to those who want to celebrate their
> resistance to change and a higher vision.
> 
> Look at what she stands for:
> 
> --Small town values -- a denial of America's global role, a return to
> petty, small-minded parochialism.
> 
> --Ignorance of world affairs -- a repudiation of the need to repair
> America's image abroad.
> 
> --Family values -- a code for walling out anybody who makes a claim
> for social justice. Such strangers, being outside the family, don't
> need to be heeded.
> 
> --Rigid stands on guns and abortion -- a scornful repudiation that
> these issues can be negotiated with those who disagree.
> 
> --Patriotism -- the usual fallback in a failed war.
> 
> --"Reform" -- an italicized term, since in addition to cleaning out
> corruption and excessive spending, one also throws out anyone who
> doesn't fit your ideology.
> 
> Palin reinforces the overall message of the reactionary right, which
> has been in play since 1980, that social justice is liberal-radical,
> that minorities and immigrants, being different from "us" pure
> American types, can be ignored, that progressivism takes too much
> effort and globalism is a foreign threat. 
> 
> The radical right marches under the banners of "I'm all right, Jack,"
> and "Why change? Everything's OK as it is." The irony, of course, is
> that Gov. Palin is a woman and a reactionary at the same time. She can
> add mom to apple pie on her resume, while blithely reversing forty
> years of feminist progress. 
> 
> The irony is superficial; there are millions of women who stand on the
> side of conservatism, however obviously they are voting against their
> own good. 
> 
> The Republicans have won multiple national elections by raising shadow
> issues based on fear, rejection, hostility to change, and
> narrow-mindedness.
> 
> Obama's call for higher ideals in politics can't be seen in a vacuum.
> The shadow is real; it was bound to respond. Not just conservatives
> possess a shadow -- we all do. 
> 
> So what comes next is a contest between the two forces of progress and
> inertia. Will the shadow win again, or has its furtive appeal become
> exhausted? No one can predict. 
> 
> The best thing about Gov. Palin is that she brought this conflict to
> light, which makes the upcoming debate honest. It would be a shame to
> elect another Reagan, whose smiling persona was a stalking horse for
> the reactionary forces that have brought us to the demoralized state
> we are in. 
> 
> We deserve to see what we are getting, without disguise.
>
Deepak, an immigrant to this country like me, and one who has made a
lot of bucks off the fair people of this country (somewhat unlike me),
is letting his success get to this head. He wishes the USA would march
lock, stock and barrel in line with the rest of like-minded people in
the World. I think I will think for myself on this one. 

So long Deepak! Don't worry, your simplistic, elitist political
analysis will continue to get you cozy interviews on talk shows and
sell your books and "p

[FairfieldLife] World Poll Favors Obama 4 to 1

[Bhairitu]

"People outside the US would prefer Barack Obama to become US president 
ahead of John McCain, a BBC World Service poll suggests.

Democrat Mr Obama was favoured by a four-to-one margin across the 22,500 
people polled in 22 countries."

More here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7606100.stm

So will this news make dumb-dumbs even more belligerent?

[FairfieldLife] Matt Damon on Sarah Palin

[Bhairitu]

"You do the actuary tables--there's a one-out-of-three chance, if not 
more, that McCain doesn't survive his first term, and it will be 
President Palin."

"It's like a really bad Disney movie," he continued. "'I'm just a hockey 
mom from Alaska,' and she's the President! And it's like, she's facing 
down Vladimir Putin using the...folks stuff she learned at the hockey 
rink. You know, it's absurd."

More here:
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Matt_Damon_terrified_by_possibility_of_0910.html

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[FairfieldLife] Deepak Chopra: Palin is "the reverse of Barack Obama"

[do.rflex]

Obama and the Palin Effect

by Deepak Chopra
Huffington Post, September 9, 2008
http://tinyurl.com/5z4p55


Sometimes politics has the uncanny effect of mirroring the national
psyche even when nobody intended to do that. This is perfectly
illustrated by the rousing effect that Gov. Sarah Palin had on the
Republican convention in Minneapolis this week. 

On the surface, she outdoes former Vice President Dan Quayle as an
unlikely choice, given her negligent parochial expertise in the
complex affairs of governing. Her state of Alaska has less than
700,000 residents, which reduces the job of governor to the scale of
running one-tenth of New York City. By comparison, Rudy Giuliani is a
towering international figure. Palin's pluck has been admired, and her
forthrightness, but her real appeal goes deeper.

She is the reverse of Barack Obama, in essence his shadow, deriding
his idealism and exhorting people to obey their worst impulses. 

In psychological terms the shadow is that part of the psyche that
hides out of sight, countering our aspirations, virtue, and vision
with qualities we are ashamed to face: anger, fear, revenge, violence,
selfishness, and suspicion of "the other." For millions of Americans,
Obama triggers those feelings, but they don't want to express them. He
is calling for us to reach for our higher selves, and frankly, that
stirs up hidden reactions of an unsavory kind.

(Just to be perfectly clear, I am not making a verbal play out of the
fact that Sen. Obama is black. The shadow is a metaphor widely in use
before his arrival on the scene.) 

I recognize that psychological analysis of politics is usually not
welcome by the public, but I believe such a perspective can be helpful
here to understand Palin's message. In her acceptance speech Gov.
Palin sent a rousing call to those who want to celebrate their
resistance to change and a higher vision.

Look at what she stands for:

--Small town values -- a denial of America's global role, a return to
petty, small-minded parochialism.

--Ignorance of world affairs -- a repudiation of the need to repair
America's image abroad.

--Family values -- a code for walling out anybody who makes a claim
for social justice. Such strangers, being outside the family, don't
need to be heeded.

--Rigid stands on guns and abortion -- a scornful repudiation that
these issues can be negotiated with those who disagree.

--Patriotism -- the usual fallback in a failed war.

--"Reform" -- an italicized term, since in addition to cleaning out
corruption and excessive spending, one also throws out anyone who
doesn't fit your ideology.

Palin reinforces the overall message of the reactionary right, which
has been in play since 1980, that social justice is liberal-radical,
that minorities and immigrants, being different from "us" pure
American types, can be ignored, that progressivism takes too much
effort and globalism is a foreign threat. 

The radical right marches under the banners of "I'm all right, Jack,"
and "Why change? Everything's OK as it is." The irony, of course, is
that Gov. Palin is a woman and a reactionary at the same time. She can
add mom to apple pie on her resume, while blithely reversing forty
years of feminist progress. 

The irony is superficial; there are millions of women who stand on the
side of conservatism, however obviously they are voting against their
own good. 

The Republicans have won multiple national elections by raising shadow
issues based on fear, rejection, hostility to change, and
narrow-mindedness.

Obama's call for higher ideals in politics can't be seen in a vacuum.
The shadow is real; it was bound to respond. Not just conservatives
possess a shadow -- we all do. 

So what comes next is a contest between the two forces of progress and
inertia. Will the shadow win again, or has its furtive appeal become
exhausted? No one can predict. 

The best thing about Gov. Palin is that she brought this conflict to
light, which makes the upcoming debate honest. It would be a shame to
elect another Reagan, whose smiling persona was a stalking horse for
the reactionary forces that have brought us to the demoralized state
we are in. 

We deserve to see what we are getting, without disguise.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Where in the World in Joe Biden?

[raunchydog]

Joe is in Nashua, N.H! Joe Biden spoke to a group of supporters today,
one of which said he was glad Biden was VP and not Hillary. Biden
replied,"Make no mistake about this, Hillary Clinton is as qualified
or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States
of America. Let's get that straight"

He continued, "She's a truly close personal friend and she is
qualified to be President of the United States of America, she's
easily qualified to be Vice President of the United States of America
and quite frankly it might have been a better pick than me. She's
first rate. No, I mean that sincerely, she's first rate."

Yep. Not ready for prime time. He's too honest. It's probably why
Obama has to do the heavy lifting attacking Palin.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6h4rfs
> Why is Barack the attack dog on Palin?  I thought that was Joe's job,
> VP to VP.  Is Barack running for VP?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Harvard graduate speaks with forked tongue

[raunchydog]

"I could only see the folks behind him but there were plenty of
whites. Not just an AA audience." 

Raleigh, NC is absolutely AA territory and he was playing his Ebonics
thang to the hilt. When whites show up at a predominately AA event, it
wouldn't have been unusual, given his campaign's record of using
stagecraft to make him look good, to use the few whites in attendance
as a backdrop.

"I don't think he was flipping Hillary the bird. He often lightly
scratches his face with one or another finger while speaking."

Yes, just like a golfer's waggle, teeing up the ball. A few light
scratches, first the baby finger to the right side of his nose at 20
seconds and the crowd doesn't laugh at the gesture. At 1:20, he says,
"I know she ahh, Sen. Clinton, she looked in her element" and the
crowd did not laugh at the line. Instead they laughed, or rather
hooted as if they were told a dirty joke, when he paused to put his
right middle finger to his right cheek and slyly smile at their response. 

Obama made a vulgar gesture in reference to Hillary. He was sneaky
about it so he could claim innocence. That's why you didn't see it.

"Brushing off his shoulders was not an offensive gesture. He was
illustrating what I find to be an admirable quality"

Really? Surely, you gest. Jay-Z is a popular rapper with AA's and
Spencer Ackerman, a young white male media Obamaton blogger, called
Obama's gesture "perhaps the coolest subliminal cultural reference in
the history of American politics." http://tinyurl.com/68q3ac

"You seem to get your jollies from wallowing in negativity."

You think? Reduce me to wallowing if you must. But, someone ought to
be giving the Obot echo chamber that resides here a viewpoint
differing from their own. Free speech, right? I didn't expect to be
popular for bursting anyone's bubble. "Just a Spoon Full of Sugar
Makes the Medicine go Down." Open wide. 








--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of raunchydog
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 12:50 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Harvard graduate speaks with forked tongue
> 
>  
> 
> Rick, Obama's AA audience absolutely understood Ebonics in Raleigh,
> NC. Based on the cheering response from his AA audience, he delivered
> a super cool dog whistle when he flipped Hillary the bird and brushed
> his shoulders off, as if she were some kind of filth.
> http://tinyurl.com/5tmhov Clearly, they loved the reference to his
> favorite rapper Jay-Z http://tinyurl.com/5ch9ba He was so happy with
> himself, I just wanted to smack him. In the video, he mimics Hillary
> sticking him with a knife but in truth, he is the one wielding the
> knife. He is the master of snide insult so he can get away with it.
> "Throw the rock, hide the hand." He's hip, he's cool, he's Superfly
> http://tinyurl.com/6eqlty 




> 
> I just rewatched the video:
> 
> 1.   I could only see the folks behind him but there were plenty of
> whites. Not just an AA audience.
> 
> 2.   I don't think he was flipping Hillary the bird. He often
lightly
> scratches his face with one or another finger while speaking.
> 
> 3.   Brushing off his shoulders was not an offensive gesture. He was
> illustrating what I find to be an admirable quality - his ability to
> maintain equanimity under attack. He keeps his cool in trying
circumstances
> - a quality the President should have.
> 
> You once said in an email, with reference to Hillary, "I love her! I
love
> her! I love her!" If you really did, you would respect her enough to
follow
> her lead and support Obama. I don't think she's just doing so
because she
> has to, but because she sincerely cares about the country and Obama's
> positions on most matters are close to hers and the polar opposite of
> McCain's. She'll play a prominent role in an Obama administration. Four
> years of McCain will pretty much finish us off. Your opposition to
Obama at
> this point reveals nothing but rigidity a distain for both Hillary and
> country. You seem to get your jollies from wallowing in negativity.
>

[FairfieldLife] CME credit for MUM health course

[bob_brigante]

http://www.tmhealthconference.org/

[FairfieldLife] Toss-up territory for Mc/O

[bob_brigante]

  [[Toss-Up Territory]]

http://tinyurl.com/5r427k 

[FairfieldLife] MUM slaying lawsuit court hearing

[bob_brigante]

http://www.ottumwa.com/local/local_story_253215632.html

[FairfieldLife] Vote for Keith Olberman

[Rick Archer]

Let's see if we can change this...Olberman was recently downgraded (censored)
for his political commentary on MSNBC. Let's show Keith that we appreciate
his standing up for democracy and common sense during the Bush years.

At http://siouxcityjournal.com there is a vote going on for Keith Olberman,
Like him or Don't Like him.

Scroll down the page to see it and vote.

He had gained in popularity since I first received the post to 40% positive 60% 
negative.

[FairfieldLife] Shoot Bambi in Fairfield...

[bob_brigante]

http://tinyurl.com/6mfnal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Harvard graduate speaks with forked tongue

[raunchydog]

They all have corporate strings but everyone here seems to think Obama
is the only one without them. Hillary would have been more electable
than Obama and she clearly won the hearts of lunch bucket Dems. She
can relate to the working class and has been consistently defending
the rights of women and children for 30 years. So I can trust her to
keep her promises.  Obama has no record, he hides records, he flip
flops constantly, he is snide and sneaky, he appeals only to the
elite, youth and the "creative class" and he has had to spin as hard
as he can to run away from his nasty associations. I don't trust him
to keep his promises. I don't trust his pal Zbigniew Brzezinski. It
boils down to character, authenticity and trustworthiness. I don't
agree with McCain/Palin but at least they have lived honorable lives,
and do in fact put "Country First." That my friend, will be the
perception of the American voter on election day. Obama should be up
in the polls by 15 points and he is sinking fast because of a GIRL. LOL.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  
> 
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of raunchydog
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 1:42 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Harvard graduate speaks with forked tongue
> 
>  
> 
> Rick, Send me the email. 
> 
> I searched my archives but couldn't find it. it was in some group
email you
> sent out.
> 
> I think my writing style is better than that.
> Try not to out me by making references to personal emails. What makes
> you think Obama is any better for the county than McCain? 
> 
> Or Hillary. She's less corporate controlled? Would Gore or Kerry
have been
> better than Bush? You bet. Hey, give me Kucinich or Ron Paul, but if
we're
> going to be realistic and get someone elected, that person is going
to have
> to play the political game and make compromises. Maybe once they're
in they
> won't have to play it as much.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] 911 conspiracy films

[Bhairitu]

bob_brigante wrote:
> "But the most annoying thing about the movies—and the Truthers—is that 
> the actual truth, in all its awful complexity, isn't enough for them. 
> No matter that 3,000 Americans died because of bungling and blowback, 
> or that the Bush administration twisted their deaths into pretexts for 
> unnecessary war and executive power run amok. The Truthers want more. 
> They've missed the real lesson of the Bush administration, which is not 
> that a secretive cabal runs the White House, but that its diabolic 
> intent has been trumped by its staggering incompetence. Seven years on, 
> the neocon notion that imperial power can reshape reality has been 
> fully exposed as a fantasy. Yet the Truthers cling to the myth of 
> official omnipotence, making them some of the last Americans who still 
> believe that this administration could successfully pull off anything 
> bigger than T-ball on the South Lawn.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/63fe9z
>
> from:
> http://www.motherjones.com//arts/feature/2008/09/media-jones
> -the-truth-is-out-there.html
What this shows is how little the writer knows about the 9-11 truth 
movement. There are numerous theories about who was really behind 9-11 
not just one. There are all kinds of gaps and flaws in the "official 
version" of 9-11. The latest video in the 9-11 truth movement is "Fabled 
Enemies" which is presented more like an attorney giving a final 
summation to a journey and you can draw your own conclusions. It *is* 
pretty clear that the Bush administration was given advance warning of 
an attack and why they chose to ignore it is a mystery (unless they 
wanted to use it to their advantage). History is full of "false flag" 
attacks used as a pretext to armed conflict. Why would the 21st century 
be any different? In fact you might just look at the recent "false flag" 
attacks by Georgia on Ossetia for starters.

What I would like to know is why you would chose to believe that 19 Arab 
terrorists armed with all things just box cutters could have been 
responsible for 9-11? And what about the lie or myth that a bunch of 
passengers took down flight 93 when during the recent terrorist court 
case the military prosecutor said the flight was shot down? Rumsfield 
made numerous slips to the press saying it was shot down. They lie too 
us. They lied to us about WMDs. They lied to us about Iraq. How can you 
believe on 9-11?

But then some people believe the marketing bullshit of the TMO.

Fabled Enemies:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2144933190875239407




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[FairfieldLife] Obama Responds to phony "Lipstick on a Pig" issue

[do.rflex]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLgm1I8bVVE

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why jobs have gone overseas.

[martyboi]

Yes actually, I am in upper-management in an electronics manufacturing
facility in California, where I have worked for 21 years. And, I have
spent a lot of time in Asia: Taiwan, Thailand, Philippines, etc. 

I have just returned, on Aug 22, from spending a month in Asia (where
we own a home btw and the in-laws own two factories). In these places
I have observed employees in all capacities, primarily production
facilities and I can tell you without reservation that the basic
motivating factors for workers in Asia - as elsewhere - are the desire
to feed their family and keep their job – not some kind of honor which
is somehow missing from American workers. 

And yes, the simple fact of life is that workers are cheaper - which
is why businesses go there. In Philippines, for example, the average
wage is $60.00 US a month. Sometimes they "secretly" pay a weekly
bribe to their manager to keep their job. If the factory owner finds
cheaper workers, they will pack up and move in a minute to places like
PRC.

Asia also has its share of employee theft, sabotage, and "slackers"
it's just that they don't last very long - and there's plenty of
replacements. It's really not very different from the USA at all, in
that regard. People are people wherever you go.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Harvard graduate speaks with forked tongue

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> How does this happen?
> 
> You grow up in a white family in a white neighbourhood (except for 
the 
> period when you're in Indonesia surrounded by Indonesians) and you 
> attend a white school.  You're the only Black on your highschool 
> basketball team.
> 
> Then, after college, you attend, for graduate school, Harvard 
> University law school.
> 
> Ebonics is NOT a part of the culture of ANY of the above.
> 
> And keep in mind that one's speech patterns are developed -- 
engrained 
> like a vriti on your brain -- by the time you're seven and pretty 
much 
> written in stone by the time you're 15.
> 
> Why then does Barack Obama resort to ebonics when he is in front of 
> certain crowds?  His wife doesn't talk like that and his kids 
certainly 
> don't.  Ebonics is NOT his culture!
> 
> So why does he effect his speech in such a false way?  Who is he 
trying 
> to kid?
>

***

Although it's true that Hawaii does not have many people who would 
identify themselves as African-American (about 2%, I think), HI is 
primarily a mixed-race environment, so it's certainly not true that O 
grew up in a white environment/schools:

http://tinyurl.com/6bhd5d

Regarding O's use of localisms in his speeches to particular groups:

When in Rome, do as the Romans -- it's old advice which politicians 
follow all the time.

[FairfieldLife] 911 conspiracy films

[bob_brigante]

"But the most annoying thing about the movies—and the Truthers—is that 
the actual truth, in all its awful complexity, isn't enough for them. 
No matter that 3,000 Americans died because of bungling and blowback, 
or that the Bush administration twisted their deaths into pretexts for 
unnecessary war and executive power run amok. The Truthers want more. 
They've missed the real lesson of the Bush administration, which is not 
that a secretive cabal runs the White House, but that its diabolic 
intent has been trumped by its staggering incompetence. Seven years on, 
the neocon notion that imperial power can reshape reality has been 
fully exposed as a fantasy. Yet the Truthers cling to the myth of 
official omnipotence, making them some of the last Americans who still 
believe that this administration could successfully pull off anything 
bigger than T-ball on the South Lawn.

http://tinyurl.com/63fe9z

from:
http://www.motherjones.com//arts/feature/2008/09/media-jones
-the-truth-is-out-there.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: You know BluRay has arrived....

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> When Uwe Boll's Z-movies are being released on the format. :-D
> I watched most of "Postal" last night on BluRay.  And that was
> after watching J.J. Abrams ("Lost") new seires pilot for "Fringe"
> on Fox.  
> Fringe deals with "fringe science" and is about a woman government
> agent who works with a scientist who is released from a mental
> hospital and his son who is enlisted to help and investigate 
> terrorist and criminal events involving "fringe science" such as
> mind transfer, dark matter, reanimation, etc.  It appears the
> episodes will be more stand alone than serial like with "Lost". 
> If you missed the pilot it will be running again on Sunday evening
> on Fox. http://www.fringetelevision.com/

I could only handle about 20 minutes of Fringe before turning off the
TV. Stressy shows that create lots of tension in my body no longer
have any appeal. I still enjoy 'Bones' and 'House', but I ditched '24'
and 'Prison Break'. 

As for hi-def digital TV, I really hadn't paid any attention to it.
But, we recently purchased our first HDTV LCD flat screen, and I'm
blown away by the viewing experience. I can flip back and forth
between the analog Fox 15 and the digital simulcast version, and the
difference is stunning. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad "Lipstick on a Pig"

[Sal Sunshine]

On Sep 10, 2008, at 2:47 PM, geezerfreak wrote:

You rest your case with this little ditty from Rupert Murdoch's  
Australian?


Have a good rest. You need it.


Line of the week, geez!  Welcome back.

Sal

[FairfieldLife] You know BluRay has arrived....

[Bhairitu]

When Uwe Boll's Z-movies are being released on the format.   :-D   I 
watched most of "Postal" last night on BluRay.  And that was after 
watching J.J. Abrams ("Lost") new seires pilot for "Fringe" on Fox.  
Fringe deals with "fringe science" and is about a woman government agent 
who works with a scientist who is released from a mental hospital and 
his son who is enlisted to help and investigate terrorist and criminal 
events involving "fringe science" such as mind transfer, dark matter, 
reanimation, etc.  It appears the episodes will be more stand alone than 
serial like with "Lost".   If you missed the pilot it will be running 
again on Sunday evening on Fox.
http://www.fringetelevision.com/

I also saw "Bangkok Dangerous" on Monday at the local digital cinema and 
thought it was fairly good.  You can save it for a rental if you want 
but it is fairly entertaining.  Hollywood for once didn't lean too much 
on the original Asian directors (the Pang Brothers) to Americanize the 
film (outside of apparently less nudity than the original which I think 
I saw but need to rent again).
There are lots of nice location scenes of Bangkok and much of the flavor 
of an Asian film (which typically flummoxes dumb Americans -- oops there 
I go again).

Season two of "The Sarah Connor Chronicles" started Monday night for all 
you Summer Glau fans.  I suspect a rerun too if you missed it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad "Lipstick on a Pig"

[frosty . mage]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> It's difficult to explain away Obama's "lipstick on a pig" remark 
that
> he wasn't referring to Palin. But, what follows is equally damning 
in
> Obama's own words, "You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper
> called change, it's still gonna stink after eight years." Women get 
it
> that Obama was referring to a woman's lady-parts as stinky fish. 

The politics of manufactured outrage don't get any more ridiculous 
than that.


Obama
> just lost the election. Bets are on.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  
wrote:
> > >
> > > Are you saying our glorious presidential candidate, Obama, 
calling his
> > > opponent's VP pick a pig is not sexist?  
> > 
> > 
> > He didn't call Palin a pig, idiot.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad "Lipstick on a Pig"

[geezerfreak]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Back at-cha geezer. Stupid is not getting it his snide piggy insult
> will have an impact on his poll numbers for women voters. Believe me,
> the women get it. Piggy men never will. Excusing his behavior and
> pretending this is not even a gaffe, just common parlance, ensures you
> will head for the fainting couch when he loses the election.  Check
> this out: http://tinyurl.com/5e6x9v I rest my case.
> 
You rest your case with this little ditty from Rupert Murdoch's Australian?

Have a good rest. You need it.

[FairfieldLife] The GOP Loves The Heartland To Death (Today's WSJ)

[geezerfreak]

The GOP 
Loves the Heartland 
To Death
By THOMAS FRANK
September 10, 2008; Page A13
It tells us something about Sarah Palin's homage to small-town America, 
delivered to an 
enthusiastic GOP convention last week, that she chose to fire it up with an 
unsourced 
quotation from the all-time champion of fake populism, the belligerent 
right-wing 
columnist Westbrook Pegler.

"We grow good people in our small towns, with honesty and sincerity and 
dignity," the 
vice-presidential candidate said, quoting an anonymous "writer," which is to 
say, Pegler, 
who must have penned that mellifluous line when not writing his more 
controversial stuff. 
As the New York Times pointed out in its obituary of him in 1969, Pegler once 
lamented 
that a would-be assassin "hit the wrong man" when gunning for Franklin 
Roosevelt.


Corbis
Small-town America.
There's no evidence that Mrs. Palin shares the trademark Pegler bloodlust -- 
except 
maybe when it comes to moose and wolves. Nevertheless, the red-state myth that 
Mrs. 
Palin reiterated for her adoring audience owes far more to the venomous spirit 
of Pegler 
than it does to Norman Rockwell.

Small town people, Mrs. Palin went on, are "the ones who do some of the hardest 
work in 
America, who grow our food and run our factories and fight our wars." They are 
authentic; 
they are noble, and they are her own: "I grew up with those people."

But what really defines them in Mrs. Palin's telling is their enemies, the 
people who 
supposedly "look down" on them. The opposite of the heartland is the loathsome 
array of 
snobs and fakers, "reporters and commentators," lobbyists and others who make 
up "the 
Washington elite."

Presumably the various elite Washington lobbyists who have guided John McCain's 
presidential campaign were exempt from Mrs. Palin's criticism. As would be 
former House 
Speaker Dennis Hastert, now a "senior adviser" to the Dickstein Shapiro lobby 
firm, who 
hymned the "Sarah Palin part of the party" thus: "Their kids aren't going to go 
to Ivy 
League schools. Their sons leave high school and join the military to serve our 
country. 
Their husbands and wives work two jobs to make sure the family is sustained."

Generally speaking, though, when husbands and wives work two jobs each it is 
not merely 
because they are virtuous but because working one job doesn't earn them enough 
to get 
by. The two-job workers in Middle America aren't spurning the Ivy League and 
joining the 
military straight out of high school just because they're people of principle, 
although many 
of them are. It is because they can't afford to do otherwise.

Leave the fantasy land of convention rhetoric, and you will find that 
small-town America, 
this legendary place of honesty and sincerity and dignity, is not doing very 
well. If you 
drive west from Kansas City, Mo., you will find towns where Main Street is 
largely boarded 
up. You will see closed schools and hospitals. You will hear about depleted 
groundwater 
and massive depopulation.

And eventually you will ask yourself, how did this happen? Did Hollywood do 
this? Was it 
those "reporters and commentators" with their fancy college degrees who wrecked 
Main 
Street, U.S.A.?

No. For decades now we have been electing people like Sarah Palin who claimed 
to love 
and respect the folksy conservatism of small towns, and yet who have 
unfailingly enacted 
laws to aid the small town's mortal enemies.

Without raising an antitrust finger they have permitted fantastic concentration 
in the 
various industries that buy the farmer's crops. They have undone the New Deal 
system of 
agricultural price supports in favor of schemes called "Freedom to Farm" and 
loan 
deficiency payments -- each reform apparently designed to secure just one thing 
out of 
small town America: cheap commodities for the big food processors. Richard 
Nixon's 
Agriculture Secretary Earl Butz put the conservative attitude toward small 
farmers most 
bluntly back in the 1970s when he warned, "Get big or get out."

A few days ago I talked politics with Donn Teske, the president of the Kansas 
Farmers 
Union and a former Republican. Barack Obama may come from a big city, he 
admits, but 
the Farmers Union gives him a 100% rating for his votes in Congress. John 
McCain gets a 
0%. "If any farmer in the Plains States looked at McCain's voting record on ag 
issues," Mr. 
Teske says, "no one would vote for him."

Now, Mr. McCain is known for his straight talk with industrial workers, telling 
them their 
jobs are never coming back, that the almighty market took them away for good, 
and that 
retraining is their only hope.

But he seems to think that small-town people can be easily played. Just choose 
a running 
mate who knows how to skin a moose and all will be forgiven. Drive them off the 
land, 
shutter their towns, toss their life chances into the grinders of big 
agriculture . . . and 
praise their values. The TV eminences will coo in appreciation of 

[FairfieldLife] McCain: War War War and More War

[do.rflex]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdJUCU1UH2w

[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad "Lipstick on a Pig"

[raunchydog]

Back at-cha geezer. Stupid is not getting it his snide piggy insult
will have an impact on his poll numbers for women voters. Believe me,
the women get it. Piggy men never will. Excusing his behavior and
pretending this is not even a gaffe, just common parlance, ensures you
will head for the fainting couch when he loses the election.  Check
this out: http://tinyurl.com/5e6x9v I rest my case.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> >
> > To be sure this is a silly topic, but it is significant in that it
> > could be a turning point in Obama's campaign. In a few days we will
> > know the impact of his snide reference to Palin as a pig. I wager he
> > loses even more women voters as a result of this stupid gaffe. Women
> > aren't buying his excuses anymore. Was Obama scripted making his pig
> > remark with Sarah in mind?  Not a "made-up controversy"? Check out
> > http://tinyurl.com/6676lj There is a picture of a pig wearing lipstick
> > and glasses on the DEMOCRATIC PARTY'S website. You'd think they would
> > be smart enough to stop digging the very deep hole they started. Fish
> > start to stink from the head. This is not the Democratic Party I knew.
> > McCain is fighting back and it ain't pretty.
http://tinyurl.com/69al2h 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It is complete idiocy that his topic is even being discussed. 
> > > > We look like morons in the eyes of the world.
> > > > How about moving on to the real issues?
> > > 
> Raunch...it wasn't it a gaffe and it wasn't snide. It's a very
common remark...one that 
> McCain has made many times. Much ado about nada. But apparently
you're too stupid to 
> figure that out.
>

[FairfieldLife] McCain: War War War and More War

[do.rflex]

[FairfieldLife] I am Gloria, hear me roar...Steinem on Palin

[Susan]

Subject: Fw: I am Gloria, hear me roar...Steinem on Palin
 




I am Gloria, hear me roar...Steinem on Palin:





 








>From the Los Angeles Times

Opinion

Palin: wrong woman, wrong message

Sarah Palin shares nothing but a chromosome with Hillary Clinton. She is

Phyllis Schlafly, only younger.

 

September 4, 2008

 

Here's the good news: Women have become so politically powerful that even

the anti-feminist right wing -- the folks with a headlock on the Republican

Party -- are trying to appease the gender gap with a first-ever female vice

president. We owe this to women -- and to many men too -- who have picketed,

gone on hunger strikes or confronted violence at the polls so women can

vote. We owe it to Shirley Chisholm, who first took the "white-male-only"

sign off the White House, and to Hillary Rodham Clinton, who hung in there

through ridicule and misogyny to win 18 million votes.

 

But here is even better news: It won't work. This isn't the first time a

boss has picked an unqualified woman just because she agrees with him and

opposes everything most other women want and need. Feminism has never been

about getting a job for one woman. It's about making life more fair for

women everywhere. It's not about a piece of the existing pie; there are too

many of us for that. It's about baking a new pie.

 

Selecting Sarah Palin, who was touted all summer by Rush Limbaugh, is no way

to attract most women, including die-hard Clinton supporters. Palin shares

nothing but a chromosome with Clinton . Her down-home, divisive and deceptive

speech did nothing to cosmeticize a Republican convention that has more than

twice as many male delegates as female, a presidential candidate who is

owned and operated by the right wing and a platform that opposes pretty much

everything Clinton 's candidacy stood for -- and that Barack Obama's still

does. To vote in protest for McCain/Palin would be like saying, "Somebody

stole my shoes, so I'll amputate my legs."

 

This is not to beat up on Palin. I defend her right to be wrong, even on

issues that matter most to me. I regret that people say she can't do the job

because she has children in need of care, especially if they wouldn't say

the same about a father. I get no pleasure from imagining her in the

spotlight on national and foreign policy issues about which she has zero

background, with one month to learn to compete with Sen. Joe Biden's 37

years' experience.








Palin has been honest about what she doesn't know. When asked last month

about the vice presidency, she said, "I still can't answer that question

until someone answers for me: What is it exactly that the VP does every

day?" When asked about Iraq , she said, "I haven't really focused much on the

war in Iraq ."

 

She was elected governor largely because the incumbent was unpopular, and

she's won over Alaskans mostly by using unprecedented oil wealth to give a

$1,200 rebate to every resident. Now she is being praised by McCain's

campaign as a tax cutter, despite the fact that Alaska has no state income

or sales tax. Perhaps McCain has opposed affirmative action for so long that

he doesn't know it's about inviting more people to meet standards, not

lowering them. Or perhaps McCain is following the Bush administration habit,

as in the Justice Department, of putting a job candidate's views on "God,

guns and gays" ahead of competence. The difference is that McCain is filling

a job one 72-year-old heartbeat away from the presidency.

 

So let's be clear: The culprit is John McCain. He may have chosen Palin out

of change-envy, or a belief that women can't tell the difference between

form and content, but the main motive was to please right-wing ideologues;

the same ones who nixed anyone who is now or ever has been a supporter of

reproductive freedom. If that were not the case, McCain could have chosen a

woman who knows what a vice president does and who has thought about Iraq ;

someone like Texas Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison or Sen. Olympia Snowe of Maine..

McCain could have taken a baby step away from right-wing patriarchs who

determine his actions, right down to opposing the Violence Against Women

Act.

 

Palin's value to those patriarchs is clear: She opposes just about every

issue that women support by a majority or plurality. She believes that

creationism should be taught in public schools but disbelieves global

warming; she opposes gun control but supports government control of women's

wombs; she opposes stem cell research but approves "abstinence-only"

programs, which increase unwanted births, sexually transmitted diseases and

abortions; she tried to use taxpayers' millions for a state program to shoot

wolves from the air but didn't spend enough money to fix a state school

system with the lowest high-school graduation rate in the nation; she runs

with a candidate who opposes the Fair Pay Act but supports $500 million in

subsidies for a

[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad "Lipstick on a Pig"

[geezerfreak]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> To be sure this is a silly topic, but it is significant in that it
> could be a turning point in Obama's campaign. In a few days we will
> know the impact of his snide reference to Palin as a pig. I wager he
> loses even more women voters as a result of this stupid gaffe. Women
> aren't buying his excuses anymore. Was Obama scripted making his pig
> remark with Sarah in mind?  Not a "made-up controversy"? Check out
> http://tinyurl.com/6676lj There is a picture of a pig wearing lipstick
> and glasses on the DEMOCRATIC PARTY'S website. You'd think they would
> be smart enough to stop digging the very deep hole they started. Fish
> start to stink from the head. This is not the Democratic Party I knew.
> McCain is fighting back and it ain't pretty. http://tinyurl.com/69al2h 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > It is complete idiocy that his topic is even being discussed. 
> > > We look like morons in the eyes of the world.
> > > How about moving on to the real issues?
> > 
Raunch...it wasn't it a gaffe and it wasn't snide. It's a very common 
remark...one that 
McCain has made many times. Much ado about nada. But apparently you're too 
stupid to 
figure that out.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Harvard graduate speaks with forked tongue

[Rick Archer]

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of raunchydog
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 1:42 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Harvard graduate speaks with forked tongue

 

Rick, Send me the email. 

I searched my archives but couldn't find it. it was in some group email you
sent out.

I think my writing style is better than that.
Try not to out me by making references to personal emails. What makes
you think Obama is any better for the county than McCain? 

Or Hillary. She's less corporate controlled? Would Gore or Kerry have been
better than Bush? You bet. Hey, give me Kucinich or Ron Paul, but if we're
going to be realistic and get someone elected, that person is going to have
to play the political game and make compromises. Maybe once they're in they
won't have to play it as much.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Putin blames US for Georgia role

[Bhairitu]

TurquoiseB wrote:
> This was expected; it's what they've done for
> some time now, and is straight out of Karl Rove's
> well-known and well-documented "bag of tricks."
> However, the part that is curious to me is how
> Vladimir Putin seems to be "playing along."
>   
Not from what  I've read and I certainly stick to the MSM propaganda.  
Locally we had a 12 year old girl who returned here escaping the 
Georgian invasion of Ossetia.  She was in Ossetia visiting her 
grandmother for the summer.  She made it very clear the invasion was 
Georgian and not Russian.  Putin has made statements that the Georgian 
leader is a US puppet.  His main US man is involved in McCain's 
campaign.  As I've said here before I think the NeoCons are in a suicide 
pact that if they can't rule the world then they'll nuke it into 
annihilation.   Putin knows that and does not want to become engaged in 
a nuclear exchange.  And also Russia or Russian along with Chinese 
practically own the US from financing our debt.

In another post you mentioned that US military leaders wouldn't allow 
such an exchange but we know that BushCo has been purging the military 
of generals opposed to such exchanges. It is also said in the 
"conspiracy circles" that Putin, Russian and many Asian countries are 
tired of the old European families (the "illuminati", NWO or whatever 
you want to call them) calling the shots and the time for the showdown 
is now.  I say good riddance to these old world elitists who believe 
they are better than anyone else.

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SENT ism and not allowed it to become the  
big tent it can and should be (...)."


All it tells me is that in the pendulum of women and mens politics  
the pendulum has swung in the female direction to something called  
"feminism" in an attempt redress an imbalance. But woe to her who  
actually believes that a pendulum swung in her direction truly  
represents a balanced perspective. It's merely a new polarity, also  
waiting to swing once again the other way, hoping for some eventual  
balance. But this old-style feminism is a form of imbalance. It was  
popular in the 60's I hear.


Reminds me of the Joe Jackson lyrics:

Man makes a gun -
man goes to war
Man can kill and man can drink
And man can take a whore
Kill all the blacks -
Kill all the reds
And if there's war between the sexes
Then there'll be no people left

And so it goes -
go round again
But now and then we wonder who the real men are

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedaland for Sale

[jyouells2000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000"  wrote:
> >
> > Are you trying to say that in these modern times, fraud 
> > is an efficient technique for spiritual growth?   
> 
> It is if it's Vedic Fraud.
> 
> Get a checking.
>

Now you've done it! A Vedic Checking Account.
The mind boggles. Does anyone know the $<=>Raam exchange rate?
 
Don't put that idea in the air! 

JohnY

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why jobs have gone overseas.

[Bhairitu]

TurquoiseB wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> And you have?  Have you also been in management?  What I said 
>> has been much discussed by economic and social scientists so 
>> it is nothing new. I was just raising the point again. And yes, 
>> it is not true 100% by any means.
>> 
>
> Not 100% true, but as Bhairitu says, enough true
> that hundreds of thousands of words have been written
> about it in the financial trades.
>
> Do you know how American cars are sold in Japan? (This
> one used to burn the asses of American auto workers when
> I was consulting in Detroit and used to run into them.)
> They are shipped to Japan from the US factory, where
> they are immediately sent to a Japanese factory where
> they are disassembled and then put back together by
> Japanese. That's the only way they can get the Japanese
> to buy them.
>
> A bit racist and my-country-first-ish on their part?
> Possibly. But as someone who has driven American cars
> and Japanese cars and who could never even be PAID
> to drive an American car again, I think that there
> is some truth to it.
>   
On the exception my Subaru was "assembled" in the US though at a 
non-union shop which touts its ecological record in their TV ads.  
"Assembled" is probably the right word as many of these cars are 
probably robot built and the workers there oversee the robot operation.  
There is probably some minor hand finishing but I'm all for subhuman 
tedious jobs being done by automation.  I've never heard of any union 
organizing at Subaru's plant so I bet the workers are well treated too.  
This is something that tech companies learned and why they have never 
been union organized.  Treat your workers well and you'll get great 
products and work.  If you team build the workers themselves will come 
to you and ask to boot the slacker out of the shop.  That happened at 
the company where I worked and had to fire a few slackers.

My Subaru is over 10 years old and except for the driver's side carpet 
wearing out has had no problems.  OTOH, a friend's Saturn started 
falling apart a couple years after they acquired it.  I remember my 
relatives Cadillac falling apart after a couple years too.  Not all the 
workers fault but also just poor design (which I understand is often 
political at the US car companies).

Another exception using my HDTV example is Vizio which assembles their 
TVs in Los Angeles and has a good reputation for a well built set.  So 
it can be done.  Again probably the solution is to team build and self 
empower your employees and build a good working environment.
> You live there, martyboi...I don't. I'm really curious.
> Based on your experience not only in factory settings
> but in other workplaces, do you think that there is 
> much of a "quality-first" mindset in American workers?
>
> I did not find that there was. It was a rare worker
> whose work ethic placed "doing a good job" over "do 
> the least I have to to get by." I'm sorry, but I'm
> being honest here.
>   
I find a difference between companies when you deal with the staff or 
CSRs.  Comcast is lousy at support and many of their people are 
contractors and there are some job websites where former contractors and 
employees complain about how they are treated.  I once did a temp job at 
drug store chain and the manager was a real asshole to his people 
particularly the women (this was before sexual harassment laws were in 
effect).  He couldn't bother me as the rule was the temps were 
off-limits and my agency was my employer.

There are just still companies around that believe in the bonehead 18th 
century style of management.
> To balance things, I find a lot of the latter mindset
> here in Spain, and found too much of it in France.
>
> Somewhere along the line -- probably in the Rama trip --
> I got hooked on the "work as sadhana" mindset. Working
> at my "Day Job" is, for me, no different than meditating
> or performing any of the other spiritual practices I
> still enjoy. There is JUST as much opportunity for mind-
> fulness and the joy that comes from doing your best in
> writing good computer documentation as there is in
> my daily spiritual practices. 
>   
Well, in yours and my line of work your probably become absorbed in it 
and it becomes less of a job and more of an artform.  That's what 
programming is like to me.  Of course you sometimes have a client who 
doesn't want the job done right, just a slap happy version because it 
will cost him more to do it right though it would most likely result in 
more sales.  I have an issue like that going on right now in my work.  
Sometimes thats just the balancing act we find ourselves in.
> One of the reasons I've been able to work as a consultant
> and not as an employee for 25 years is that I really,
> really try to DO A GOOD JOB. I feel personally pained
> when a misspelled word or an out-of-date screenshot
> appears in one of my manuals. Then I try t

[FairfieldLife] Re: Harvard graduate speaks with forked tongue

[Richard J. Williams]

Curtis wrote: 
> Like when Bush tries to sound like a cowboy 
> hick unlike everyone else in his family? 
> 
Joe Biden just can't help but gaff and lie on 
the stage or when he's at the podium. What 
surprises me is that Joe took seven days to 
pull off this big gaff. With Joe acting drunk 
on the stage, I'd say the Dem gaff-o-meter is 
about a '10'.

Send in the clowns!

Joe Biden Drunk?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TBNeNHHXEY

[FairfieldLife] Right-Wing Terror Film Delivered To Swing-State NYT Readers

[TurquoiseB]

For those here who thought my "all that the 
Republicans have to sell is fear" rap was
off the mark:

http://tinyurl.com/5gva9q

[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad "Lipstick on a Pig"

[Richard J. Williams]

John Manning wrote:
> When she became mayor of Wasilla it had zero 
> debt. She left it with a $20 million debt.
>
You need to stop the lying, Mr. Manning.
>
"Yes, she did push for and approve the Wasilla 
Sports Center. Yes, it did cost a lot of money. 
(People keep saying $20 million, that article 
says $14.5 million, but then they also added a 
$1.2 million dollar food service/kitchen piece. 
This year, after Palin was out of office as mayor.)
 
Yes, the city went into debt to do it (how did 
you buy your house, bunkie?) and raised the city 
sales tax from 2 percent to 2.5 percent to pay 
for it. Yes, the city is paying it off early."

Separating Palin Fact from Palin Fiction:
http://tinyurl.com/6m7kzo 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Harvard graduate speaks with forked tongue

[raunchydog]

Rick, Send me the email. I think my writing style is better than that.
Try not to out me by making references to personal emails. What makes
you think Obama is any better for the county than McCain? They are
both corporately controlled and Obama is particularly suspect with
scary dude, Zbigniew Brzezinski, at the helm of his national security
policy. http://tinyurl.com/6yqfju

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > You once said in an email, with reference to Hillary, "I 
> > love her! I love her! I love her!" If you really did, you 
> > would respect her enough to follow her lead and support 
> > Obama. 
> 
> Bingo.
> 
> > I don't think she's just doing so because she has to, but 
> > because she sincerely cares about the country and Obama's
> > positions on most matters are close to hers and the polar 
> > opposite of McCain's. She'll play a prominent role in an 
> > Obama administration. 
> 
> Exactly. While the Whiners For Hillary are putting their
> "love" for Hillary above the love for country. 
> 
> > Four years of McCain will pretty much finish us off. Your 
> > opposition to Obama at this point reveals nothing but 
> > rigidity a distain for both Hillary and country. You seem 
> > to get your jollies from wallowing in negativity.
> 
> BPD, I tell you. There seems to be an epidemic
> of it.
>

[FairfieldLife] Palin > Putin

[cardemaister]

Ya only hafta change the 'a' to 'u' and add
the "t:n viiva", and Palin has become Putin! Huh!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Palin is feminism's greatest leap forward since Madonna

[shempmcgurk]

Paglia's column is one of the best I've ever read.

Is any one else reminded of Vladimir Nabokov when they read her, like 
I am?  Her turn of phrase is precious and reminds me of the way 
Nabokov looks at the world in every page of "Lolita"!



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Fresh blood for the vampire
> 
> by Camille Paglia
> 
> (...)
> 
> Conservative though she may be, I felt that Palin represented an  
> explosion of a brand new style of muscular American feminism. At 
her  
> startling debut on that day, she was combining male and female  
> qualities in ways that I have never seen before. And she was 
somehow  
> able to seem simultaneously reassuringly traditional and gung-ho  
> futurist. In terms of redefining the persona for female authority 
and  
> leadership, Palin has made the biggest step forward in feminism 
since  
> Madonna channeled the dominatrix persona of high-glam Marlene  
> Dietrich and rammed pro-sex, pro-beauty feminism down the throats 
of  
> the prissy, victim-mongering, philistine feminist establishment.
> 
> In the U.S., the ultimate glass ceiling has been fiendishly  
> complicated for women by the unique peculiarity that our president  
> must also serve as commander in chief of the armed forces. Women 
have  
> risen to the top in other countries by securing the leadership of  
> their parties and then being routinely promoted to prime minister  
> when that party won at the polls. But a woman candidate for 
president  
> of the U.S. must show a potential capacity for military affairs 
and  
> decision-making. Our president also symbolically represents the  
> entire history of the nation -- a half-mystical role often filled  
> elsewhere by a revered if politically powerless monarch.
> 
> As a dissident feminist, I have been arguing since my arrival on 
the  
> scene nearly 20 years ago that young American women aspiring to  
> political power should be studying military history rather than  
> taking women's studies courses, with their rote agenda of never- 
> ending grievances. I have repeatedly said that the politician who  
> came closest in my view to the persona of the first woman 
president  
> was Sen. Dianne Feinstein, whose steady nerves in crisis were  
> demonstrated when she came to national attention after the mayor 
and  
> a gay supervisor were murdered in their City Hall offices in San  
> Francisco. Hillary Clinton, with her schizophrenic alteration of  
> personae, has never seemed presidential to me -- and certainly not 
in  
> her bland and overpraised farewell speech at the Democratic  
> convention (which skittered from slow, pompous condescension to  
> trademark stridency to unseemly haste).
> 
> Feinstein, with her deep knowledge of military matters, has true  
> gravitas and knows how to shrewdly thrust and parry with pesky TV  
> interviewers. But her style is reserved, discreet, mandarin. Sarah  
> Palin is like Annie Oakley, a brash ambassador from America's 
pioneer  
> past. She immediately reminded me of the frontier women of the  
> Western states, which first granted women the right to vote after 
the  
> Civil War -- long before the federal amendment guaranteeing 
universal  
> woman suffrage was passed in 1919. Frontier women faced the same  
> harsh challenges and had to tackle the same chores as men did --  
> which is why men could regard them as equals, unlike the genteel,  
> corseted ladies of the Eastern seaboard, which fought granting 
women  
> the vote right to the bitter end. (...)
> 
> http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2008/09/10/palin/print.html
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Harvard graduate speaks with forked tongue

[raunchydog]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and to your eye, Obama is
flawless.  Based on endless flip flops, to me he is just a pol you
can't trust keep his promise to take out the garbage in D.C. On ABC
last Sunday, Obama was asked on "This Week" to name changes he planned
as president that would be unpopular with his party, the Illinois
senator responded by calling for a bigger military. Now that's change
you can believe in.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of raunchydog
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 12:50 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Harvard graduate speaks with forked tongue
> 
>  
> 
> Rick, Obama's AA audience absolutely understood Ebonics in Raleigh,
> NC. Based on the cheering response from his AA audience, he delivered
> a super cool dog whistle when he flipped Hillary the bird and brushed
> his shoulders off, as if she were some kind of filth.
> http://tinyurl.com/5tmhov Clearly, they loved the reference to his
> favorite rapper Jay-Z http://tinyurl.com/5ch9ba He was so happy with
> himself, I just wanted to smack him. In the video, he mimics Hillary
> sticking him with a knife but in truth, he is the one wielding the
> knife. He is the master of snide insult so he can get away with it.
> "Throw the rock, hide the hand." He's hip, he's cool, he's Superfly
> http://tinyurl.com/6eqlty
> 
> I just rewatched the video:
> 
> 1.   I could only see the folks behind him but there were plenty of
> whites. Not just an AA audience.
> 
> 2.   I don't think he was flipping Hillary the bird. He often
lightly
> scratches his face with one or another finger while speaking.
> 
> 3.   Brushing off his shoulders was not an offensive gesture. He was
> illustrating what I find to be an admirable quality - his ability to
> maintain equanimity under attack. He keeps his cool in trying
circumstances
> - a quality the President should have.
> 
> You once said in an email, with reference to Hillary, "I love her! I
love
> her! I love her!" If you really did, you would respect her enough to
follow
> her lead and support Obama. I don't think she's just doing so
because she
> has to, but because she sincerely cares about the country and Obama's
> positions on most matters are close to hers and the polar opposite of
> McCain's. She'll play a prominent role in an Obama administration. Four
> years of McCain will pretty much finish us off. Your opposition to
Obama at
> this point reveals nothing but rigidity a distain for both Hillary and
> country. You seem to get your jollies from wallowing in negativity.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad "Lipstick on a Pig"

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> To be sure this is a silly topic, but it is significant in that it
> could be a turning point in Obama's campaign. 


McCain and his crew, led by Karl Rove acolytes, are doing everything
to keep the discussion off issues. 

[snip loser PUMA crapola]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Harvard graduate speaks with forked tongue

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> You once said in an email, with reference to Hillary, "I 
> love her! I love her! I love her!" If you really did, you 
> would respect her enough to follow her lead and support 
> Obama. 

Bingo.

> I don't think she's just doing so because she has to, but 
> because she sincerely cares about the country and Obama's
> positions on most matters are close to hers and the polar 
> opposite of McCain's. She'll play a prominent role in an 
> Obama administration. 

Exactly. While the Whiners For Hillary are putting their
"love" for Hillary above the love for country. 

> Four years of McCain will pretty much finish us off. Your 
> opposition to Obama at this point reveals nothing but 
> rigidity a distain for both Hillary and country. You seem 
> to get your jollies from wallowing in negativity.

BPD, I tell you. There seems to be an epidemic
of it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedaland for Sale

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Are you trying to say that in these modern times, fraud 
> is an efficient technique for spiritual growth?   

It is if it's Vedic Fraud.

Get a checking.

[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad "Lipstick on a Pig"

[raunchydog]

To be sure this is a silly topic, but it is significant in that it
could be a turning point in Obama's campaign. In a few days we will
know the impact of his snide reference to Palin as a pig. I wager he
loses even more women voters as a result of this stupid gaffe. Women
aren't buying his excuses anymore. Was Obama scripted making his pig
remark with Sarah in mind?  Not a "made-up controversy"? Check out
http://tinyurl.com/6676lj There is a picture of a pig wearing lipstick
and glasses on the DEMOCRATIC PARTY'S website. You'd think they would
be smart enough to stop digging the very deep hole they started. Fish
start to stink from the head. This is not the Democratic Party I knew.
McCain is fighting back and it ain't pretty. http://tinyurl.com/69al2h 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" 
> wrote:
> >
> > It is complete idiocy that his topic is even being discussed. 
> > We look like morons in the eyes of the world.
> > How about moving on to the real issues?
> 
> OK. 15 bullet items down on the main CNN page:
> 
> Man eats 23,000 Big Macs in 36 years
> http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/09/10/big.macs.record.ap/index.html
> 
> Slow News Yuga, dude.  :-)
>

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Harvard graduate speaks with forked tongue

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of raunchydog
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 12:50 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Harvard graduate speaks with forked tongue

 

Rick, Obama's AA audience absolutely understood Ebonics in Raleigh,
NC. Based on the cheering response from his AA audience, he delivered
a super cool dog whistle when he flipped Hillary the bird and brushed
his shoulders off, as if she were some kind of filth.
http://tinyurl.com/5tmhov Clearly, they loved the reference to his
favorite rapper Jay-Z http://tinyurl.com/5ch9ba He was so happy with
himself, I just wanted to smack him. In the video, he mimics Hillary
sticking him with a knife but in truth, he is the one wielding the
knife. He is the master of snide insult so he can get away with it.
"Throw the rock, hide the hand." He's hip, he's cool, he's Superfly
http://tinyurl.com/6eqlty

I just rewatched the video:

1.   I could only see the folks behind him but there were plenty of
whites. Not just an AA audience.

2.   I don't think he was flipping Hillary the bird. He often lightly
scratches his face with one or another finger while speaking.

3.   Brushing off his shoulders was not an offensive gesture. He was
illustrating what I find to be an admirable quality - his ability to
maintain equanimity under attack. He keeps his cool in trying circumstances
- a quality the President should have.

You once said in an email, with reference to Hillary, "I love her! I love
her! I love her!" If you really did, you would respect her enough to follow
her lead and support Obama. I don't think she's just doing so because she
has to, but because she sincerely cares about the country and Obama's
positions on most matters are close to hers and the polar opposite of
McCain's. She'll play a prominent role in an Obama administration. Four
years of McCain will pretty much finish us off. Your opposition to Obama at
this point reveals nothing but rigidity a distain for both Hillary and
country. You seem to get your jollies from wallowing in negativity.

[FairfieldLife] The Republicans are keeping these dolls very quiet...

[TurquoiseB]

The reason is that they're concerned that people
will notice that the Sarah Palin action figure 
dolls give better News interview than she does.

http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/09/09/its-official-palin-is-a-super-star/?icid=100214839x1209064546x1200517304

or

http://tinyurl.com/6lb97b

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedaland for Sale

[jyouells2000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote:
> > Actually, Nab, if your reasoning is correct, I'd rather believe that
> > Maharishi is a fraud. Because if he believed this, it indicates that
> he
> > did not believe and or understand his own teaching.
> >
> > JohnY
>
> "The Movement belongs to those that move"
>
> You don't seem to have moved out of the 70's. What you are reffering
to
> are old, old instructions.

Are you trying to say that in these modern times, fraud is an efficient
technique for spiritual growth?   Must be some ancient secret vedic
technique.  Isn't truthfulness timeless or was it only in accord with
the laws of nature in the 70's?

My rationalizer just doesn't seem to go that far.


JohnY

[FairfieldLife] Thought this might be relevant to the "whiny victim" posts lately

[TurquoiseB]

[ The whole article is very worth reading IMO, but
if you're pressed for time, search ahead for the
string "ruthless decision." ]


Why Some Survive Disaster and Some Die
By John Blake, CNN

(Sept. 8) -- Deborah Scaling Kiley still can't break free from 
that night. She can't shake the screams, the image of the 
frothing water turning red, and the sounds of sharks attacking 
the man who had just been sitting next to her.

She still can't forget blurting out the Lord's Prayer to block 
out the cries of the man dying in front of her.

In October 1982, Deborah Kiley and Brad Cavanaugh survived five 
days drifting at sea without food or water after the yacht they 
were in capsized. Their three sailing companions died. Author 
Laurence Gonzales studies survivor stories like these to explore 
why some people make it and others don't.

"As long as I kept saying those words, I knew I was all right," 
she says today. "It was my only proof that I had not gone mad."

Kiley would survive that night, clinging to a dingy in the 
Atlantic Ocean for five days without food and water. But so 
have others in circumstances that seemed as hopeless. They 
are the amazing characters who seem to surface during every 
manmade or natural disaster -- those who survive against all 
odds.

What do these survivors share in common? 

That's the question that the author Laurence Gonzales has long 
tried to answer. Whenever a disaster hits -- a cyclone in Myanmar; 
an earthquake in China; a climbing accident in Alaska -- Gonzales 
scans the headlines for the stories of those survivors who made 
it out alive when all others perished.

"I know when something big happens, I know the kind of stories 
that are playing out and the people who emerge from them with 
similar stories," he says.

Gonzales looks for people like Ma Yuanjiang, a 31-year-old power 
plant executive who survived seven days buried under rubble by 
drinking his urine and eating paper after a massive earthquake 
struck China in May. He studies survivors like Ari Afrizal, a 
construction worker who survived the 2005 Tsunami by clinging 
to a raft for two weeks in the Indian Ocean.

Gonzales explains what makes these survivors special in "Deep 
Survival," a book that dissects the psychological and spiritual 
transformation that takes place within people who survive against 
all odds.

Most of these survivors share the same traits, Gonzales says.

A rescuer helps Chris Marino, 12, in the Atlantic Ocean Sunday. 
Marino and his father, Walter, spent 12 hours floating overnight 
before being found separately eight miles off of central Florida. 
Walter had pursued Chris after currents swept the boy away while 
swimming. 

"These are people who tend to have a view of the world that does 
not paint them as a victim," he says. "They're not whiners who 
are always complaining about the bad things that are happening 
to them and expecting to get rescued."

Gonzales says at least 75 percent of people caught in a 
catastrophe either freeze or simply wander in a daze.

"The first thing people do when something bad happens is to be 
in denial," Gonzales says. "People who make good survivors tend 
to get through that phase quickly. They accept the evidence of 
their senses."

Gonzales says many of the disaster survivors he studied weren't 
the most skilled, the strongest or the most experienced in their 
group.

Those who seemed best suited for survival -- the strongest or 
most skilled -- were often the first to die off in life-or-
death struggles, he says. Experience and physical strength 
can lead to carelessness. The Rambo types, a Navy SEAL tells 
Gonzales, are often the first to go.

Small children and inexperienced climbers, for example, often 
survive emergencies in the wilderness far better than their 
stronger or adult counterparts, he says.

They survive because they're humble, Gonzales says. They know 
when to rest, when they shouldn't try something beyond their 
capabilities, when it's wise to be afraid.

"Humility can keep you out of trouble," Gonzales says. "If you 
go busting into the wilderness with the attitude that you know 
what's going on, you're liable to miss important cues."

Survivors tend to be independent thinkers as well. When 
hijacked planes hit the World Trade Center during the 
September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, hundreds of workers 
were trapped in the towers. Gonzales says security told many 
of them to stay put and wait for rescue.

Most of those who heeded the directions from security died, 
he says. Most of the survivors decided to ignore security 
protocol. They headed downstairs through a smoke-filled 
stairwell and didn't wait to be rescued.

"They were not rule followers, they thought for themselves 
and had an independent frame of mind," Gonzales says.

Survivors also shared another trait -- strong family bonds. 
Many reported they were motivated to endure hardships by a 
desire to see a loved one, Gonzales says.

Gonzales cites the story of Vikto

[FairfieldLife] Re: Harvard graduate speaks with forked tongue

[raunchydog]

Rick, Obama's AA audience absolutely understood Ebonics in Raleigh,
NC. Based on the cheering response from his AA audience, he delivered
a super cool dog whistle when he flipped Hillary the bird and brushed
his shoulders off, as if she were some kind of filth.
http://tinyurl.com/5tmhov  Clearly, they loved the reference to his
favorite rapper Jay-Z http://tinyurl.com/5ch9ba He was so happy with
himself, I just wanted to smack him. In the video, he mimics Hillary
sticking him with a knife but in truth, he is the one wielding the
knife. He is the master of snide insult so he can get away with it.
"Throw the rock, hide the hand." He's hip, he's cool, he's Superfly
http://tinyurl.com/6eqlty

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of shempmcgurk
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 11:24 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Harvard graduate speaks with forked tongue
> 
>  
> 
> Why then does Barack Obama resort to ebonics when he is in front of 
> certain crowds? His wife doesn't talk like that and his kids certainly 
> don't. Ebonics is NOT his culture!
> 
> So why does he effect his speech in such a false way? Who is he trying 
> to kid?
> 
> I agree with you on this one. He's a well-educated, articulate guy
and he
> should speak as such and not try to dumb down for the idiocracy.
Hillary did
> the same thing, and looked ridiculous doing it. Bush does it all the
time,
> but he's being authentic.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad "Lipstick on a Pig"

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> It is complete idiocy that his topic is even being discussed. 
> We look like morons in the eyes of the world.
> How about moving on to the real issues?

OK. 15 bullet items down on the main CNN page:

Man eats 23,000 Big Macs in 36 years
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/09/10/big.macs.record.ap/index.html

Slow News Yuga, dude.  :-)

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[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad "Lipstick on a Pig"

[geezerfreak]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Are you saying our glorious presidential candidate, Obama,
> > > calling his opponent's VP pick a pig is not sexist?
> > 
> > How very Fox news of you.  Fortunately for those of us who can
> > read, your (and the conservative media's) attempt to twist what
> > he said into a schoolyard insult is obvious.  Sara does not own
> > the rights to the term "lipstick" and anytime it is referenced
> > it isn't about her.
> 
> Nobody said that "anytime" it's referenced it's about
> her. raunchydog is saying--and I agree--that *this*
> time it was about her. He phrased it carefully to give
> himself plausible deniability--just as when he gave
> Hillary the finger, thinly disguised as a cheek-scratch,
> awhile back--and combined it with a painfully artificial
> bit of body language, rubbing his forehead as if he were
> searching for the right words, then artfully pausing to
> let the words sink in.
> 
> Since the Republican convention and for some time to
> come, lipstick = Palin, in any political context. She
> made it her motto with her crack about the difference
> between a pit bull and a hockey mom.
> 
> His audience got the reference immediately. There's
> no question it was intentional.
> 
> To be fair, Palin isn't above schoolyard insults
> either. The difference is, she wouldn't pretend she
> wasn't delivering one. She wouldn't hide her glee,
> she'd be openly laughing along with her audience.
> 
> And FWIW, it's not just the conservative media that's
> calling him on it. Feminist lefties (male and female)
> are as well.
>
It is complete idiocy that his topic is even being discussed. We look like 
morons in the 
eyes of the world.
How about moving on to the real issues?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Putin blames US for Georgia role

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "guyfawkes91" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> The most interesting thing, trying to keep roughly to the 
> topic of FFL...

Get a checking, dude.  :-)

> ...is how the TMO will explain a McCain win if America is 
> supposed to be Invincible. Add that to the hurricane service 
> resuming as normal and the record number of tornados this 
> year and people have to do some pretty advance mental 
> asanas to keep believing in the ME.

A good point. Something to look forward to.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Harvard graduate speaks with forked tongue

[curtisdeltablues]

> Did you also shake your head from side to side the way Indians do? 
I> did, and that seemed to also help!

I never got used to that nonverbal for "yes"  It faked me out every
time since it looked like a Western "no!"


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > > So why does he effect his speech in such a false way?  Who is he
> > trying> to kid?
> > 
> > Like when Bush tries to sound like a cowboy hick unlike everyone 
> else
> > in his family? Or when Palin drops her "g's" when she is talk'n 
> about
> > hunt'n and fish'n? 
> > 
> > It's a public speaking rapport thing and it works live.  Like when 
> we
> > were in India and found out that Taxi guys understood us better when
> > we imitated their pidgin English and accent.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Did you also shake your head from side to side the way Indians do?  I 
> did, and that seemed to also help!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >  Better rapport.  Except
> > when Madonna uses her phony British accent.  That doesn't work at 
> all.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > How does this happen?
> > > 
> > > You grow up in a white family in a white neighbourhood (except 
> for the 
> > > period when you're in Indonesia surrounded by Indonesians) and 
> you 
> > > attend a white school.  You're the only Black on your highschool 
> > > basketball team.
> > > 
> > > Then, after college, you attend, for graduate school, Harvard 
> > > University law school.
> > > 
> > > Ebonics is NOT a part of the culture of ANY of the above.
> > > 
> > > And keep in mind that one's speech patterns are developed -- 
> engrained 
> > > like a vriti on your brain -- by the time you're seven and pretty 
> much 
> > > written in stone by the time you're 15.
> > > 
> > > Why then does Barack Obama resort to ebonics when he is in front 
> of 
> > > certain crowds?  His wife doesn't talk like that and his kids 
> certainly 
> > > don't.  Ebonics is NOT his culture!
> > > 
> > > So why does he effect his speech in such a false way?  Who is he 
> trying 
> > > to kid?
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Putin blames US for Georgia role

[guyfawkes91]

> From the "what's good for the planet" side, Obama
> is the clear choice. But I can see that from the 
> "what's good for Russia" side, McCain would be the
> preferable choice because, in terms of strategy in
> a nuclear age, he is *exactly* the kind of enemy
> you want to have -- someone who is so predictable
> that you know before he does how he's going to
> react to everything.
>
OK so McCain gets in on the back of Palin and immediately bombs Iran
because he's a "fighter" so he has to start fights. That means the
Straits of Hormuz are shut and oil goes to $200. Is that good or bad
for Russia? Is that good or bad for the planet? 

I agree that Putin & co might prefer McCain + Palin because the
average level of intelligence goes up when they leave a room. Dim
people do dim things and Russia has definitely benefited from having
Bush in charge. But they might prefer Obama simply because they can
have an intelligent conversation with him.

The most interesting thing, trying to keep roughly to the topic of FFL
is how the TMO will explain a McCain win if America is supposed to be
Invincible. Add that to the hurricane service resuming as normal and
the record number of tornados this year and people have to do some
pretty advance mental asanas to keep believing in the ME.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why jobs have gone overseas.

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> And you have?  Have you also been in management?  What I said 
> has been much discussed by economic and social scientists so 
> it is nothing new. I was just raising the point again. And yes, 
> it is not true 100% by any means.

Not 100% true, but as Bhairitu says, enough true
that hundreds of thousands of words have been written
about it in the financial trades.

Do you know how American cars are sold in Japan? (This
one used to burn the asses of American auto workers when
I was consulting in Detroit and used to run into them.)
They are shipped to Japan from the US factory, where
they are immediately sent to a Japanese factory where
they are disassembled and then put back together by
Japanese. That's the only way they can get the Japanese
to buy them.

A bit racist and my-country-first-ish on their part?
Possibly. But as someone who has driven American cars
and Japanese cars and who could never even be PAID
to drive an American car again, I think that there
is some truth to it.

You live there, martyboi...I don't. I'm really curious.
Based on your experience not only in factory settings
but in other workplaces, do you think that there is 
much of a "quality-first" mindset in American workers?

I did not find that there was. It was a rare worker
whose work ethic placed "doing a good job" over "do 
the least I have to to get by." I'm sorry, but I'm
being honest here.

To balance things, I find a lot of the latter mindset
here in Spain, and found too much of it in France.

Somewhere along the line -- probably in the Rama trip --
I got hooked on the "work as sadhana" mindset. Working
at my "Day Job" is, for me, no different than meditating
or performing any of the other spiritual practices I
still enjoy. There is JUST as much opportunity for mind-
fulness and the joy that comes from doing your best in
writing good computer documentation as there is in
my daily spiritual practices. 

One of the reasons I've been able to work as a consultant
and not as an employee for 25 years is that I really,
really try to DO A GOOD JOB. I feel personally pained
when a misspelled word or an out-of-date screenshot
appears in one of my manuals. Then I try to do a better
job next time.

But my perception of America, when I lived there (and I
haven't for six years now), was that the majority of
workers in *any* setting that I got to know were not
only content to do the least they could possibly get
away with on the job, but took pleasure in discovering
the limits of *how much* they could get away with. This
experience has not left me with a propensity to buy
American products and rely on American software. 

(Actually, to be fair, I have found more nerds in the
software development workplace who cared about quality
than in any other. A lot of nerds really CARE. And a 
lot don't.)

Anyway, sorry to ramble, but I found that anyone even
*challenged* that the American work ethic was substandard
fascinating. I've never met anyone *since* the Detroit
auto workers who were pissed that Japan needed to rebuild
the cars they built who believed that "built in America"
was a good thing. 

> martyboi wrote:
> > Bhairitu, I found this post shockingly out of touch to the 
> > point of being pure mythology and feel impelled to reply. 
> > I think you have neither been to an Asian nor American 
> > factory of any sort. It's really just not that way at all.
> >
> > Bhairitu  wrote:
> >   
> >> It's not always that workers are cheaper in other countries.  Its
often 
> >> that they have a different attitude towards their work due to a 
> >> different cultural mindset.  Who might you think would do a
better job 
> >> of assembling your new TV: Jimmy the Slacker down the street who is 
> >> belligerent has hell and thinks he is too good for such a job
(but does 
> >> nothing to get a better one) and thus thinks its cool to spit on
your 
> >> TV's motherboard or the Asian worker who thinks doing a good job is 
> >> honorable?
> >>
> >> 
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Yet one more example of Republican hypocrisy...

[Sal Sunshine]

as if you needed any, but these examples are just too nauseating

to let pass:

–“This is a very personal matter for the family. We should all  
respect the love they have for the child and the desire all parents  
would have for their children’s privacy.”


–“The media should respect Bristol’s privacy. That’s always been the  
tradition and practice when it comes to the children of candidates.”

.
.–“The children of candidates do not choose to run for office and be  
thrust into the spotlight.”


John McCain, all from the last 2 weeks re: the Palin family

"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno."

John McCain, June 25, 1998

http://tinyurl.com/5ct9bv

[FairfieldLife] Re: Harvard graduate speaks with forked tongue

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > So why does he effect his speech in such a false way?  Who is he
> trying> to kid?
> 
> Like when Bush tries to sound like a cowboy hick unlike everyone 
else
> in his family? Or when Palin drops her "g's" when she is talk'n 
about
> hunt'n and fish'n? 
> 
> It's a public speaking rapport thing and it works live.  Like when 
we
> were in India and found out that Taxi guys understood us better when
> we imitated their pidgin English and accent.




Did you also shake your head from side to side the way Indians do?  I 
did, and that seemed to also help!





>  Better rapport.  Except
> when Madonna uses her phony British accent.  That doesn't work at 
all.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> wrote:
> >
> > How does this happen?
> > 
> > You grow up in a white family in a white neighbourhood (except 
for the 
> > period when you're in Indonesia surrounded by Indonesians) and 
you 
> > attend a white school.  You're the only Black on your highschool 
> > basketball team.
> > 
> > Then, after college, you attend, for graduate school, Harvard 
> > University law school.
> > 
> > Ebonics is NOT a part of the culture of ANY of the above.
> > 
> > And keep in mind that one's speech patterns are developed -- 
engrained 
> > like a vriti on your brain -- by the time you're seven and pretty 
much 
> > written in stone by the time you're 15.
> > 
> > Why then does Barack Obama resort to ebonics when he is in front 
of 
> > certain crowds?  His wife doesn't talk like that and his kids 
certainly 
> > don't.  Ebonics is NOT his culture!
> > 
> > So why does he effect his speech in such a false way?  Who is he 
trying 
> > to kid?
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Harvard graduate speaks with forked tongue

[curtisdeltablues]

> So why does he effect his speech in such a false way?  Who is he
trying> to kid?

Like when Bush tries to sound like a cowboy hick unlike everyone else
in his family? Or when Palin drops her "g's" when she is talk'n about
hunt'n and fish'n? 

It's a public speaking rapport thing and it works live.  Like when we
were in India and found out that Taxi guys understood us better when
we imitated their pidgin English and accent.  Better rapport.  Except
when Madonna uses her phony British accent.  That doesn't work at all.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> How does this happen?
> 
> You grow up in a white family in a white neighbourhood (except for the 
> period when you're in Indonesia surrounded by Indonesians) and you 
> attend a white school.  You're the only Black on your highschool 
> basketball team.
> 
> Then, after college, you attend, for graduate school, Harvard 
> University law school.
> 
> Ebonics is NOT a part of the culture of ANY of the above.
> 
> And keep in mind that one's speech patterns are developed -- engrained 
> like a vriti on your brain -- by the time you're seven and pretty much 
> written in stone by the time you're 15.
> 
> Why then does Barack Obama resort to ebonics when he is in front of 
> certain crowds?  His wife doesn't talk like that and his kids certainly 
> don't.  Ebonics is NOT his culture!
> 
> So why does he effect his speech in such a false way?  Who is he trying 
> to kid?
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why jobs have gone overseas.

[Bhairitu]

And you have?  Have you also been in management?  What I said has been 
much discussed by economic and social scientists so it is nothing new.  
I was just raising the point again.  And yes, it is not true 100% by any 
means.


martyboi wrote:
> Bhairitu, I found this post shockingly out of touch to the point of
> being pure mythology and feel impelled to reply. I think you have
> neither been to an Asian nor American factory of any sort. It's really
> just not that way at all.
>
>
>
>
> Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> It's not always that workers are cheaper in other countries.  Its often 
>> that they have a different attitude towards their work due to a 
>> different cultural mindset.  Who might you think would do a better job 
>> of assembling your new TV: Jimmy the Slacker down the street who is 
>> belligerent has hell and thinks he is too good for such a job (but does 
>> nothing to get a better one) and thus thinks its cool to spit on your 
>> TV's motherboard or the Asian worker who thinks doing a good job is 
>> honorable?
>>
>> 
>
>
>
>   

RE: [FairfieldLife] Harvard graduate speaks with forked tongue

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of shempmcgurk
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 11:24 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Harvard graduate speaks with forked tongue

 

Why then does Barack Obama resort to ebonics when he is in front of 
certain crowds? His wife doesn't talk like that and his kids certainly 
don't. Ebonics is NOT his culture!

So why does he effect his speech in such a false way? Who is he trying 
to kid?

I agree with you on this one. He's a well-educated, articulate guy and he
should speak as such and not try to dumb down for the idiocracy. Hillary did
the same thing, and looked ridiculous doing it. Bush does it all the time,
but he's being authentic.

[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad "Lipstick on a Pig"

[raunchydog]

Put fingers in your ears, and sing la, la, la, la. That will help keep
you comfortably wrapped in your cocoon of ignorance. What's the matter
are you afraid of lady-parts?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> >
> > It's difficult to explain away Obama's "lipstick on a pig" 
> > remark that he wasn't referring to Palin. But, what follows 
> > is equally damning in Obama's own words, "You can wrap an 
> > old fish in a piece of paper called change, it's still 
> > gonna stink after eight years." Women get it that Obama 
> > was referring to a woman's lady-parts as stinky fish. Obama
> > just lost the election. Bets are on.
> 
> I was trying real hard to click Next immediately 
> whenever I saw your name in the From column, but
> I must have been focused on the left part of the
> screen when this one came up, so I read it.
> 
> This settles my decision to put you in the "Try
> to never bother to read their posts" category.
> 
> You're more insane than the person you agree with
> on this forum, and that's saying a lot.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: A feminist who whines about misogyny aimed at her...

[raunchydog]

Back at-cha, Barky! What's that high pitched mewing sound emanating
from The One?  Oh right, the Race Card. Fortunately, Republicans took
that over-played weapon out his arsenal the day Obama said he didn't
look like the guys on dollar bills. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > 
> > ...or who allows others to so whine on her behalf,
> > is like is like a marathoner complaining that the
> > race is too long and too hard.
> > 
> > If you want to win at the task you've set for your-
> > self, JUST DO IT. Don't whine about the obstacles;
> > they're part of the game. Ignore them and win anyway. 
> > 
> > That's what a guy would do.
> 
> "We know what kind of campaign they're going to run. They're
> going to try to make you afraid. They're going to try to make
> you afraid of me. He's young and inexperienced and he's got a
> funny name. And did I mention he's black?"--Barack Obama,
> June 21, 2008
> 
> "What they're going to try to do is make you scared of me.
> You know, he doesn't look like all those other presidents on
> the dollar bills."--Barack Obama, July 31, 2008
>

[FairfieldLife] Harvard graduate speaks with forked tongue

[shempmcgurk]

How does this happen?

You grow up in a white family in a white neighbourhood (except for the 
period when you're in Indonesia surrounded by Indonesians) and you 
attend a white school.  You're the only Black on your highschool 
basketball team.

Then, after college, you attend, for graduate school, Harvard 
University law school.

Ebonics is NOT a part of the culture of ANY of the above.

And keep in mind that one's speech patterns are developed -- engrained 
like a vriti on your brain -- by the time you're seven and pretty much 
written in stone by the time you're 15.

Why then does Barack Obama resort to ebonics when he is in front of 
certain crowds?  His wife doesn't talk like that and his kids certainly 
don't.  Ebonics is NOT his culture!

So why does he effect his speech in such a false way?  Who is he trying 
to kid?

[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad "Lipstick on a Pig"

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It's difficult to explain away Obama's "lipstick on a pig" 
> remark that he wasn't referring to Palin. But, what follows 
> is equally damning in Obama's own words, "You can wrap an 
> old fish in a piece of paper called change, it's still 
> gonna stink after eight years." Women get it that Obama 
> was referring to a woman's lady-parts as stinky fish. Obama
> just lost the election. Bets are on.

I was trying real hard to click Next immediately 
whenever I saw your name in the From column, but
I must have been focused on the left part of the
screen when this one came up, so I read it.

This settles my decision to put you in the "Try
to never bother to read their posts" category.

You're more insane than the person you agree with
on this forum, and that's saying a lot.

[FairfieldLife] Re: A feminist who whines about misogyny aimed at her...

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> ...or who allows others to so whine on her behalf,
> is like is like a marathoner complaining that the
> race is too long and too hard.
> 
> If you want to win at the task you've set for your-
> self, JUST DO IT. Don't whine about the obstacles;
> they're part of the game. Ignore them and win anyway. 
> 
> That's what a guy would do.

"We know what kind of campaign they're going to run. They're
going to try to make you afraid. They're going to try to make
you afraid of me. He's young and inexperienced and he's got a
funny name. And did I mention he's black?"--Barack Obama,
June 21, 2008

"What they're going to try to do is make you scared of me.
You know, he doesn't look like all those other presidents on
the dollar bills."--Barack Obama, July 31, 2008

[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad "Lipstick on a Pig"

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It's difficult to explain away Obama's "lipstick on a pig" remark that
> he wasn't referring to Palin. But, what follows is equally damning in
> Obama's own words, "You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper
> called change, it's still gonna stink after eight years." Women get it
> that Obama was referring to a woman's lady-parts as stinky fish. Obama
> just lost the election. Bets are on.


Dude, you are being the sexist, disgusting, pig here.  I'm guessing
you haven't had much actual contact with the opposite sex if that is 
your immediate association.


> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" 
wrote:
> > >
> > > Are you saying our glorious presidential candidate, Obama,
calling his
> > > opponent's VP pick a pig is not sexist?  
> > 
> > 
> > He didn't call Palin a pig, idiot.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad "Lipstick on a Pig"

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It's difficult to explain away Obama's "lipstick on a pig" remark that
> he wasn't referring to Palin. But, what follows is equally damning in
> Obama's own words, "You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper
> called change, it's still gonna stink after eight years." Women get it
> that Obama was referring to a woman's lady-parts as stinky fish. 


You seem to have a persecution complex and a big chip on your shoulder.


Obama
> just lost the election. Bets are on.


Bananas.


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" 
wrote:
> > >
> > > Are you saying our glorious presidential candidate, Obama,
calling his
> > > opponent's VP pick a pig is not sexist?  
> > 
> > 
> > He didn't call Palin a pig, idiot.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: McCains New ad "Lipstick on a Pig"

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Are you saying our glorious presidential candidate, Obama,
> > > calling his opponent's VP pick a pig is not sexist?
> > 
> > How very Fox news of you.  Fortunately for those of us who can
> > read, your (and the conservative media's) attempt to twist what
> > he said into a schoolyard insult is obvious.  Sara does not own
> > the rights to the term "lipstick" and anytime it is referenced
> > it isn't about her.
> 
> Nobody said that "anytime" it's referenced it's about
> her. raunchydog is saying--and I agree--that *this*
> time it was about her.

This insult, and the middle finger thing are out of character for the
guy.  Calling her a "pig?"  What possible purpose would that serve? 
would the anti pork vote get awakened?  You may disagree with his
politics but he is not a complete dumbass.

We all see this through our filters I guess.  To me this seems like
such a stretch.  I saw the "offending" clip of his middle finger an it
seems so crazy to me.  I film all my shows and am often horrified by
what I see.  We don't live with eyes outside of us and gestures feel
different inside.  More importantly it is out of character for Obama
and serves no purpose, except as a tool for people who want to try to
make Sara out to be a martyr. I guess seeing how that strategy worked
for the Hillary camp doesn't serve as a cautionary tale.   


 He phrased it carefully to give
> himself plausible deniability--just as when he gave
> Hillary the finger, thinly disguised as a cheek-scratch,
> awhile back--and combined it with a painfully artificial
> bit of body language, rubbing his forehead as if he were
> searching for the right words, then artfully pausing to
> let the words sink in.
> 
> Since the Republican convention and for some time to
> come, lipstick = Palin, in any political context. She
> made it her motto with her crack about the difference
> between a pit bull and a hockey mom.
> 
> His audience got the reference immediately. There's
> no question it was intentional.
> 
> To be fair, Palin isn't above schoolyard insults
> either. The difference is, she wouldn't pretend she
> wasn't delivering one. She wouldn't hide her glee,
> she'd be openly laughing along with her audience.
> 
> And FWIW, it's not just the conservative media that's
> calling him on it. Feminist lefties (male and female)
> are as well.
>