Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj the honest and forthright

[I am the eternal]

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:10 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:

> > Vaj's posts are a lot closer to "hate mail" than
> > the posts that correct his many misstatements.
>
> That's the word; hate mail !
>
>
Actually, I received a nice, friendly email from Vaj a couple of days ago.
Of course he wanting something, just like Barry did when Barry sent me those
unsolicited pictures of unclothed children in sexual situations a month
ago.  I guess Vaj is being hit on from so many sides by the junkyard dog and
her friends that he'd actually stoop to attempt to be nice to me.   Oh well,
I'll take kindness from any place I can get it, even if it's not sincere and
won't last.

At least the email from Vaj wasn't like the stuff from Barry that could have
wound me up in both state and federal prison had I not immediately taken out
my hard drive, destroyed it, bought a new one and re-imaged it from a backup
prior to receipt of the unwanted "gifts".

Has anyone else on FFL received unsolicited child porn from Barry?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj the honest and forthright

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11  
wrote:
>
> exactly. he thinks the 12 of us who have called him on his BS are
> upset and hateful towards him. nothing could be further from the
> truth. we think he is an arrogant little jerk parading around like
> some great teacher, and trashing the Maharishi and TM in the process.
> 
> he is a delusional little fellow who lives in his head, thinking as he
> said that only he knows the truth, and the rest of us are ignorant
> fools - really pathetic stuff. 

Yes, Vaj loves to send hatemail to this group.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj the honest and forthright

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> 
> > When someone is given (or in this case takes) a title,
> > as per the previous description by the Dalai Lama on
> > the qualifications of a teacher which flipped everyone
> > out so much,
> 
> In fact, as Vaj knows, *nobody* was "flipped out" by
> the Dalai Lama's description, or disturbed by it in
> the slightest. Some of us were annoyed at the way Vaj
> tried to use it to dump on MMY.
> 
> 
> > One case and point
> 
> ("case in point")
> 
>  brought this home very clearly just recently.  
> > Someone had posted links to old lectures of MMY. One
> > was on mantra from the Rishikesh days. So I listened
> > to them to see how they were. And the guy had no idea
> > how to answer. Very nervous with much nervous laughter.
> 
> Or, what Vaj is pleased to describe as nervousness.
> 
>  MMY biographer Paul Mason later described it and I
> > thought how refreshing it was that someone else had
> > the exact same impression. Here I was expecting some
> > great explanations,
> 
> How many here believe Vaj was "expecting some great
> explanations" from Maharishi?
> 
> And how many think whatever MMY had said, Vaj would
> have found some way to trash it?
> 
> My memory of this episode is that someone asked MMY
> whether he got the mantras from Guru Dev, and MMY
> laughed and said he didn't know what mantras Guru
> Dev used because they were given out privately. If
> that's what Vaj is referring to, he's seriously
> misrepresenting the exchange.
> 
>  but not so. Of course  
> > I've already brought up the asana course thing--they
> > were written by a gym teacher.
> 
> Here's how Vaj brought up what he calls the "asana
> course thing" before:
> 
> "If M. was a yogi, he could have easily written a
> brilliant book [on hatha yoga] or even better a
> course with his sharp intellect. But this is clearly
> not the case. Instead they found a HS gym teacher
> to do so and those formed the sets used for rounding.
> I'm sure many here have the booklets (which now
> circulate in PDF form)."
> 
> So Vaj knew, when he first mentioned it, that it
> wasn't a "course" at all, much less a book.  It was
> a few sheets with crude stick-figure-like drawings
> to serve as aides-memoirs of the postures (which
> were actually demonstrated by TM teachers to course
> participants).
> 
> At the time, it was pointed out to Vaj that the asana
> sheets were never intended to be anything remotely
> like a "course" or "book" on hatha yoga, nor did
> they require any deep knowledge of it. It was
> something a gym teacher with some knowledge of very
> basic, simple yoga asanas *could* put together on
> his own and make the drawings for, most likely with
> guidance from MMY as to which postures to use. For
> this purpose, there was zero need for MMY to do any
> more than that.
> 
> The point of the asanas in rounding, at least at the
> time they were introduced and for years after that
> (there may have been recent changes, for all I know)
> was simply to make for a bit of physical activity
> between meditations. There was no concern whatsoever
> about how meditators did them, just that they go
> approximately through the motions to move the body
> around some.
> 
> Later, MMY *did* come out with an actual hatha yoga
> course, but that wasn't what the gym teacher Vaj is
> talking about helped with. Vaj is attempting to
> make readers think MMY had a highschool gym teacher
> create a whole course or book on hatha yoga, but that
> wasn't the case at all, as he knows.
> 
>  These are very touchy things to even mention here  
> > (apparently)
> 
> They're "touchy" because they're mostly bullshit.
> 
> > --and will probably drive more hate mail
> 
> Vaj's posts are a lot closer to "hate mail" than
> the posts that correct his many misstatements.

That's the word; hate mail !

Re: [FairfieldLife] Feds Finally Getting Serious About H1B Abuses

[I am the eternal]

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:15 AM, gullible fool  wrote:

>
> Maybe a third of the IT workers at Fidelity Investments are on visa
> from India, in spite of the fact that it is illegal for a company to hire
> someone on visa when a qualified American is available.
>
>
>
It is illegal to hire someone on an H1B when there is a qualified American,
but the Houston Chronicle  has exposed this scam many times.  Texas is a
fast track state (of course) and TI used to be a major employer of H1Bs
before it because the universal rage.  The Chronicle took the ads in
newspapers (including itself) and in journals and found "candidates".  It
arranged for universities to "grant" degrees in the very studies stated in
the ads and also got companies to "vouch" that the candidates had received
the experience required there.  The Chronicle then sent in the candidates.
They were turned down as unqualified.

Of course this scam is no longer necessary.  A company only has to say it
looked.  No more running bogus ads, "reviewing" resumes or "interviewing"
candidates.  That's how the H1B carnival became the circus it is.

Now the managers who were instrumental in this big charade are losing their
jobs.  Breaks my heart.

AIG was jammed full of Indians.  The incompetent kind, of course.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal 
 wrote:
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:16 PM, bob_brigante 

> wrote:
> > http://snipurl.com/ca3pq  [www_zwire_com]
> >
> > Fairfield Ledger article on bust
> >
> 
> North of Chico, eh?  Herb Caen, who wrote *Don't Call it Frisco* 
and was a
> long time writer for the San Francisco Chronicle wrote a trip 
report on
> Chico.  I read it years ago when I was in SF.  He said that Chico 
is the
> kind of town where they sell Velveta Cheese in the gourmet food 
section of
> the supermarket.  He said he went into an Italian Restaurant and 
ordered
> pasta.  He asked if he could have it cooked al dente. The waitress 
came back
> and told him that she could only offer it with tomato sauce or 
alfredo.
> 
> One of the "boys" is 29.  Either he was held back some grades or 
he's not
> that recent a graduate of the Maharishi School.
> 
> Well, at least they kept their loot in a safe.  Honor amongst...
> 
> Hash oil.  Probably to sell to Amrita, if they are still in 
Fairfield, eh?
>



Fairfield and Iowa City, places where people from California and 
Texas etc have frequented, have some OK Mexican restaurants. But I 
ate one time at a "Mexican" restaurant in Ottumwa and they used 
American cheese for their enchiladas -- I nearly ralphed, but for 
locals who have never eaten authentic cuisine, it seems to make em 
happy. But I'm pretty sure that almost anyplace in CA, even out in 
the sticks in Chico, is more sophisticated than any place (other than 
FF and IC) in Iowa.

The "boys" should have stuck to a doctor's prescription and six 
plants:

http://snipurl.com/ca7pf  [www_redding_com] 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Feds Finally Getting Serious About H1B Abuses

[gullible fool]

Maybe a third of the IT workers at Fidelity Investments are on visa from India, 
in spite of the fact that it is illegal for a company to hire someone on visa 
when a qualified American is available. 
 
These days, Fidelity is experiencing its karma return, as it lays off thousands 
of employees while what's left of the unemployed and underemployed middle class 
removes its money out of the markets. 
 
"Revenue at family-controlled Fidelity is down sharply because of the decline 
in financial markets last year..."
 
http://www.boston.com/jobs/news/articles/2009/02/03/fidelity_layoffs_slated_to_start/
 
"Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only 
love." 
 
- Amma  

--- On Wed, 2/18/09, I am the eternal  wrote:

From: I am the eternal 
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Feds Finally Getting Serious About H1B Abuses
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 10:03 PM

Last week I received an email from MUM asking me to employ MUM coop
students, who are having problems finding coop jobs primarily in the
Computer Science area.  It turns out that MUM receives $20,000 of the
coop situation and without the money, they are hurting big time.  I
thought about this.  Then I went and looked at some CVs.  Hmm.  I'm
going to employ someone who came here to take work away from an
American?  It took all of my will power to prevent me from firing an
email back to MUM telling them where they can shove their coop
program.

Well, finally the Feds are starting to do something about the most
amazing H1B abuses that have gone on for years.  H1Bs lower the wage
scale in the US because in complete violation of INS/Homeland Security
regulations, H1Bs are brought into the US to work for as little as 40%
of the going wage for the skillset.  But then again trying to find a
competent H1B in the computer or engineering fields is pretty damn
hard, so I guess they get paid what they're worth.

Before anyone brings up the word "protectionism", take a look at what
other countries do to bar foreign workers in their country.  India is
an excellent example.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/02/feds-finally-cracking-down-on-h-1b-abuses.ars


Feds (finally) cracking down on H-1B abuses

It took a major recession with accelerating unemployment to make it
happen, but the feds are finally getting serious about cracking down
on abuses of the H-1B immigrant visa program. Still, Ars argues that
we should "mend it, not end it," especially with American job losses
mounting.

By Jon Stokes | Last updated February 16, 2009 8:30

Back before I gave up on the beat, I used to write quite a bit about
abuses of the H-1B program, particularly by technology companies who
exploited the program and foreign-born workers for cheap labor. Why
did I give up? Covering the issue became a waste of time, because the
government wouldn't actively investigate the program, and a mere
shouting match between nativist anti-H-1B activists and the program's
supporters is only interesting for so long when there are no new
developments. But this past Thursday, there was, at long last, a real
development: a federal grand jury indicted 11 people in six states for
using the H-1B program to commit immigration fraud, and specifically
for violating prevailing wage laws.

"What we found here is that some folks have found some ways to make
misrepresentations to the government that disadvantage American
workers who did not have the opportunity to apply for the real jobs
that existed," US Citizenship and Immigration Services official
Michael Aytes told CNN-IBN.

All 11 of those indicted were Indian nationals who worked for Vision
Systems Group, and there are at least five other companies under
investigation.

An Iowa US Attorney involved in the case told BusinessWeek that the
government is only "at the tip of the iceberg" with these initial
investigations and expects to uncover much more fraud.

If even half of what I heard from programmers during my H-1B coverage
days was true, then not only is there plenty of fraud to investigate,
but some of the biggest names in technology have been guilty of
abusing the program to varying degrees at different times.

The most common abuse scenario goes something like this: a company
looking to hire a low- or mid-level programmer posts a job
advertisement containing some patently ridiculous set of
qualifications, like 20 years of Java programming experience (Java
hasn't even been around that long) and a Ph.D. in computer science.
Upon getting no responses, the company applies to the federal
government to fill the position with an H-1B worker on the grounds
that it can't find any qualified Americans. Having hired the H-1B
worker, the company may pay him less than the advertised wage, or it
may offer him no benefits, or his working conditions may be poor, or
some combination of these and other factors, yet the immigrant worker
sticks it out for a set number of years in hopes of getting a green
c

[FairfieldLife] See Atlantis in Google Earth

[bob_brigante]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2255989.ece

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot

[I am the eternal]

On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:16 PM, bob_brigante 
wrote:
> http://snipurl.com/ca3pq  [www_zwire_com]
>
> Fairfield Ledger article on bust
>

North of Chico, eh?  Herb Caen, who wrote *Don't Call it Frisco* and was a
long time writer for the San Francisco Chronicle wrote a trip report on
Chico.  I read it years ago when I was in SF.  He said that Chico is the
kind of town where they sell Velveta Cheese in the gourmet food section of
the supermarket.  He said he went into an Italian Restaurant and ordered
pasta.  He asked if he could have it cooked al dente. The waitress came back
and told him that she could only offer it with tomato sauce or alfredo.

One of the "boys" is 29.  Either he was held back some grades or he's not
that recent a graduate of the Maharishi School.

Well, at least they kept their loot in a safe.  Honor amongst...

Hash oil.  Probably to sell to Amrita, if they are still in Fairfield, eh?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot

[bob_brigante]

http://snipurl.com/ca3pq  [www_zwire_com] 

Fairfield Ledger article on bust

[FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot

[Joe Smith]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal 
> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Joe Smith  wrote:
> > > It's not possible to transcend while stoned on pot because as
any pot
> > > head will tell you, there's this constant flow or stream of
> > > consciousness-thoughts while stoned, the opposite of settled
> > > awareness. The whole cycle of settling down, having a thought,
feeling
> > > the mantra on a subtle level, settling down, etc. can't be achieved
> > > while stuck in an astral-thought kaleidoscope. Being stoned is the
> > > antithesis of quiet mind-transcendental consciousness.
> 
> Your opinions appear to be based on hersay, not direct experience.
> Caveat emptor. 

Pure Consciousness or Stoned Consciousness, you decide.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EzMjbP3248&eurl=http://fractalenlightenment.blogspot.com/2008/10/smoking-pot-part-of-indian-culture.html
 

 


  

[FairfieldLife] Some of the 77 Deadly Sins

[arhatafreespeech]

Feb. 19
The Cascades
View from my window in Port Townsend, Washington (taken from nearby)

Some of the 77 Deadly Sins
.. Fear 
   What’s illusion and what’s practical fear.  Is the greatest 
   fear the fear of one’s fear? 
.. Doubt 
   When does doubt cross the line into judgment or illusion?  Is self doubt the 
root 
   of all  unnecessary concerns? 
.. Judgment  
   How much unnecessary misery is created by the ripple effect of  judgments 
that 
   merely represent one’s own ignorance? 
..
 Gluttony  
   Unchecked consumption.  What are it’s implications? Economic crash?
.. Happiness 
   Glee over things done or acquired at the expense of others rational 
sensitivities. 
 
   Unexamined reasons to be happy or just a shield for real discontent? 
.. Moods 
   Frequent negative behavior that reflects unconcern for others. 
..  Hidden Agendas 
   Attempting by thought or action to do things that adversely affect others 
that 
   aren’t prepared of
 expecting 
  such. 
.. False Love 
   Love is consistent and never ending. 
.. Worry 
   Why worry when practical concern is available? 
.. Denial 
   To not see what needs to be seen. 
.. Narrow mindedness 
   Not being open to the whole picture and all the possibilities. 
.. Religion 
   Religiousness is to be open to truths apart from the ancient dictums and 
their   alterations by those peddling belief systems. 
.. Unconsciousness
 Arhata
http://www.freedomofspeech.netfirms.com/


  

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Randy or Kirk

[emptybill]

Posted by: "Kirk" kirk_bernha...@cox.net 
   tripura_kirk 
   Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:16 am
(PST)
Billy, I am liking your style.  I am yoni-whipped alright.
I like it that way.



Kirk,



You can thank yourself. I have read and enjoyed your posts, including
their stream-of-mind presentation. As a result I decided it would be ok
for me to loosen up a bit with my own posts. I don't really have a
style – that's for writers.



Please don't misunderstand my comments to you. When I said, "you
are a yoni, not a yogi" I wasn't specifically talking about your
personality or life circumstances. How could I? You and I have never
met, at least in this life. I get the scent of some past connection
though. Maybe last life we both cruised the Kafurstendamm searching for
middle- eastern types to beat up. However, in this life we have never
shared a bottle of fine whiskey while trading linked verses back and
forth. That means I can only speculate.

So many tasks to perform, so little time to teleport into the heart of
the sun.



My actual meaning was that we are all yonis, which is a shakta view. We
are non-denominational vaginas waiting to be filled by god's
logoi-spermatikoi or seminal raisons or eidetic intelligences or
whatever you want to call them. Why else would we go out of our way to
get shaktipat except that we realized that behind our bravado we are
like bridal virgins, no manner how brutalized we have been treated or
have ourselves become.


I used to think we were all mother fuckers – Plato's fallen
souls coupling with matter (materia-mater). Now I'm not so sure. It
is not a gender definition but a condition of self-recognition, even
destiny. I remember back in the good `ole days, before material
worlds manifested, when we circled through the cosmos with the gods and
took our rest at the celestial banquet as two fisted soma drinkers. Now
look at us – puny little jivas trapped in organic coffins, all the
while self-proclaiming our luscious independence. Not really a man among
us – just happens that some of us have dicks and therefore try to
declare, "I'm like Shiva."

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Mayan Prophecies and why the world will not end in 2012

[Bhairitu]

Ah but it looks like a good season ahead for apocalyptic films.  I saw 
the trailer for this yesterday when I saw "The International":
http://www.knowing-themovie.com/

And we have Cormac McCarthy's "The Road" coming out on film this year 
too.  So make yourself a big bowl of popcorn, sit back and watch the 
world end...


Rick Archer wrote:
>  THE WORLD WILL NOT END IN 2012
> By Carlos Barrios
>
> Carlos Barrios was born into a Spanish family on El Altiplano, the highlands
> of Guatemala. His home was in Huehuetenango, also the dwelling place of the
> Maya Mam tribe.
>
> With other Maya and other indigenous tradition keepers, the Mam carry part
> of the old ways on Turtle Island (North America).
>
> They are keepers of time, authorities on remarkable calendars that are
> ancient, elegant and relevant.Mr Barrios is a historian, an anthropologist
> and investigator. After studying with traditional elders for 25 years since
> the age of 19, he has also became a Mayan Ajq'ij, a ceremonial priest and
> spiritual guide, Eagle Clan.
>
> Years ago, along with his brother, Gerardo, Carlos initiated an
> investigation into the different Mayan calendars. He studied with many
> teachers. He says his brother Gerardo interviewed nearly 600 traditional
> Mayan elders to widen their scope of knowledge.
>
> "Anthropologists visit the temple sites," Mr. Barrios says, "and read the
> inscriptions and make up stories about the Maya, but they do not read the
> signs correctly. It's just their imagination... Other people write about
> prophecy in the name of the Maya. They say that the world will end in
> December 2012. The Mayan elders are angry with this. The world will not end.
> It will be transformed. The indigenous have the calendars, and know how to
> accurately interpret it, not others.
>
> The Mayan Calendars comprehension of time, seasons, and cycles has proven
> itself to be vast and sophisticated. The Maya understand 17 different
> calendars, some of them charting time accurately over a span of more than
> ten million years. The calendar that has steadily drawn global attention
> since 1987 is called the Tzolk'in or Cholq'ij.
>
> Devised ages ago and based on the cycle of the Pleiades, it is still held as
> sacred.
> With the indigenous calendars, native people have kept track of important
> turning points in history.
>
> For example, the day keepers who study the calendars identified an important
> day in the year One Reed, Ce Acatal, as it was called by the Mexicans. That
> was the day when an important ancestor was prophesied to return, "coming
> like a butterfly. " In the western calendar, the One Reed date correlates to
> Easter Sunday, April 21, 1519 the day that Hernando Cortez and his fleet of
> 11 Spanish galleons arrived from the East at what is today called Vera Cruz,
> Mexico.
>
> When the Spanish ships came toward shore, native people were waiting and
> watching to see how it would go.
>
> The billowing sails of the ships did indeed remind the scouts of butterflies
> skimming the ocean surface. In this manner was a new era initiated, an era
> they had anticipated through their calendars. The Maya termed the new era
> the Nine Bolomtikus, or nine Hells of 52 years each.
> As the nine cycles unfolded, land and freedom were taken from the native
> people.
>
> Disease and disrespect dominated.
>
> What began with the arrival of Cortez, lasted until August 16, 1987 - a date
> many people recall as Harmonic Convergence. Millions of people took
> advantage of that date to make ceremony in sacred sites, praying for a
> smooth transition to a new era, the World of the Fifth Sun.
>
> >From that 1987 date until now, Mr. Barrios says, we have been in a time when
> the right arm of the materialistic world is disappearing, slowly but
> inexorably. We are at the cusp of the era when peace begins, and people live
> in harmony with Mother Earth. We are no longer in the World of the Fourth
> Sun, but we are not yet in the World of the Fifth Sun. This is the time
> in-between, the time of transition.
>
> As we pass through transition there is a colossal, global convergence of
> environmental destruction, social chaos, war, and ongoing Earth changes.
>
> All this, Mr .Barrios says, was foreseen via the simple, spiral mathematics
> of the Mayan calendars. "It will change," Mr. Barrios observes.
>
> "Everything will change." He said Mayan Day keepers view the DEC. 21,2012
> date as a rebirth, the start of the World of the Fifth Sun. It will be the
> start of a new era resulting from and signified by the solar meridian
> crossing the galactic equator, and the earth aligning itself with
> the center of the galaxy.
>
> At sunrise on December 21, 2012 for the first time in 26,000 years the Sun
> rises to conjunct the intersection of the Milky Way and the plane of the
> ecliptic. This cosmic cross is considered to be an embodiment of the Sacred
> Tree, The Tree of L

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj the honest and forthright

[Peter]

You all should worship at the lotus feet of Sri Vaj because he is delightfully 
squeezing-out the last of your samskaras and is actually your Sat Guru.


--- On Thu, 2/19/09, enlightened_dawn11  wrote:

> From: enlightened_dawn11 
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj the honest and forthright
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, February 19, 2009, 7:57 PM
> exactly. he thinks the 12 of us who have called him on his
> BS are
> upset and hateful towards him. nothing could be further
> from the
> truth. we think he is an arrogant little jerk parading
> around like
> some great teacher, and trashing the Maharishi and TM in
> the process.
> 
> he is a delusional little fellow who lives in his head,
> thinking as he
> said that only he knows the truth, and the rest of us are
> ignorant
> fools - really pathetic stuff. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
>  wrote:
> > 
> > > When someone is given (or in this case takes) a
> title,
> > > as per the previous description by the Dalai Lama
> on
> > > the qualifications of a teacher which flipped
> everyone
> > > out so much,
> > 
> > In fact, as Vaj knows, *nobody* was "flipped
> out" by
> > the Dalai Lama's description, or disturbed by it
> in
> > the slightest. Some of us were annoyed at the way Vaj
> > tried to use it to dump on MMY.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[FairfieldLife] Noa and Mira on Dutch TV

[Arhata Osho]

    




Noa and Mira on Dutch TV
Jewish-Israeli singer Achinoam Nini (“Noa”) and Palestinian-Israeli performer 
Mira Awad sing “A word” about tomorrow. 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj the honest and forthright

[Vaj]

On Feb 19, 2009, at 6:16 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:




The TM mythos is filled with the tacit implication or even insistence
that MMY was fully enlightened. In fact during his death ceremonies
they kept repeating that he wasn't just enlightened, but the most
enlightened rishi of all yugas!





Doesn't MMY need to be enlightened under TM theory?  How else could he
rediscover what he claimed were lost mediation techniques?


I think it's understood by most reasonable and objective folks who've  
done a little lookin', that "TM is nothing new under the sun", it's  
not something he's "restored", in fact it's a ubiquitous form of basic  
meditation.


There are still many people who will repeat, matter-a-factly, that TM  
is a form of "Vedic" meditation, but nothing could be farther from the  
truth. Movement representatives will still parrot this obviously false  
information. Most of them probably either aren't aware of the fact (we  
were always told NOT to investigate the Vedas or "Vedic texts" on our  
own, as it would just "confuse" us) or if they are, they're afraid to  
go against what the founder said or they are out-and-out TB's.




 And
rediscover and correct Ayurveda?  Or, as the TMO says in information I
was reading recently: "Maharishi completely restored the thousands of
years-old scattered Vedic Literature for the total significance of its
theory and practice, and organized it in the form of a complete
science of consciousness. Maharishi's Vedic Science includes the
restoration of the ancient Vedic system of health care, which offers a
science and technology for unfolding perfection in life, using methods
that are completely free from harmful side effects."


This is particularly incorrect in regards to Ayurveda, which he  
diluted, although he did help popularize it. Dr. Pete tells an  
interesting story of a Vaidya or scholar that came and gave a lecture  
on Ayurveda at MIU IIRC and later when the tapes were made, they  
edited out so much of what the speakers lecture said that didn't jive  
with official movement "think" that it no longer even resembled what  
the guy was actually saying!



Vaj, I take it that you are saying that MMY is not a Yogi under the
applicable traditions.  I don't think anyone really disputes that.


Oh my heavens Ruth, prepare to be stoned! He was a yogi who lived in  
the Valley of the Saints and then came to the land of mud to bring to  
TM to the world, based on a recurring thought he kept having while  
trying to meditate.


Actually one of the Shankaracharya's of Jyotir Math IIRC and a fellow  
student of SBS has come out and said that MMY was not trained as a yogi.



One of the few things that does not bother me about MMY is the
breaking from tradition, going from being a secretary to a teacher.
If someone feels that they have something of value to teach, fine by
me, even if they are not in the right caste or do not have the right
background.  However, it is of relevance in evaluating his educational
background on topics where he professed knowledge, such as asanas or
the siddhis or vedic science.


And assuming titles. How do you feel when someone who's not a  
physicians calls themselves a "doctor" (and infers they are a medical  
doctor).


When it comes to mantra yoga, mantras can be authentically given by  
puja. But there's a bit more to mantra yoga than what we were lead to  
believe.



I have never been clear on how he came up with transcendental
meditation, i.e., the routine and the mantras.  What did he say  
about it?


The party line is he got them from Swami Brahmananda. The only  
problems with that is that Swami Brahmananda's oral teachings are in  
opposition to what MMY taught, although MMY does pepper his teachings  
with bits and pieces of authentic information and wisdom, most of  
which is well known by spiritual Indians.


One of his most interesting faux pas is the claim that other  
meditation techniques have traditionally taught some form of forced  
concentration, meditation that involves straining. It's a red herring-- 
of course having read or heard that, you're almost afraid to try  
anything else! Here's the whole spiel, which is easily refutable as  
hype and posturing, but it's still a pretty entertaining read:


http://tinyurl.com/34bras

" By the process of comparing his own direct experience of
the actual goal of meditation with the common understanding then
available, it became clear to Maharishi that the common idea of
what meditation was supposed to be was in fact a complete
distortion of the original meaning of the ancient procedure.
Procedures of concentration or of forcing the mind to be free of
content, with or without the use of a sensory medium such as an
auditory or visual focus, seemed to him to lead away from,
rather than toward, the desired result. At every stage of
experimentation, Maharishi held to the guideline given him by
his master that maximum

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj the honest and forthright

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity  
wrote:

> Vaj, I take it that you are saying that MMY is
> not a Yogi under the applicable traditions.  I
> don't think anyone really disputes that.

Nobody disputes that this is what Vaj says, no.
Some of us think it's absurd to take what he says
as gospel, however.

> One of the few things that does not bother me
> about MMY is the breaking from tradition, going
> from being a secretary to a teacher. If someone
> feels that they have something of value to teach,
> fine by me, even if they are not in the right
> caste or do not have the right background.

Excellent. Vaj disagrees with you.

  However, it is of relevance in evaluating his
> educational background on topics where he professed
> knowledge, such as asanas

He didn't "profess knowledge of asanas" at the time
Vaj was referring to. The whole bit about the gym
teacher is one of Vaj's many big fat red herrings.

 or the siddhis or vedic science. 
> 
> I have never been clear on how he came up with
> transcendental meditation, i.e., the routine and
> the mantras.  What did he say about it?

The introductory essay by Larry Domash to the first
volume of the Collected Papers relates what MMY
wanted on the record about how he came up with the
"routine." (The mantras, of course, are standard
bija mantras; no big mystery about them.)

Here's the first half of the essay as posted back
in the 1990s on alt.meditation.transcendental:

http://tinyurl.com/34zns4

The whole thing is interesting reading, but if you
want to get quickly to the part I mentioned, search
for the phrase "unusually talented student" and
start reading there.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj the honest and forthright

[ruthsimplicity]

>From Vaj via email, as his post apparently didn't go through:

On Feb 19, 2009, at 6:16 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> The TM mythos is filled with the tacit implication or even insistence  
>> that MMY was fully enlightened. In fact during his death ceremonies  
>> they kept repeating that he wasn't just enlightened, but the most  
>> enlightened rishi of all yugas!
>>
>>
>
>
> Doesn't MMY need to be enlightened under TM theory?  How else could he
> rediscover what he claimed were lost mediation techniques?

I think it's understood by most reasonable and objective folks who've
done a little lookin', that "TM is nothing new under the sun", it's
not something he's "restored", in fact it's a ubiquitous form of basic
meditation.

There are still many people who will repeat, matter-a-factly, that TM
is a form of "Vedic" meditation, but nothing could be farther from the
truth. Movement representatives will still parrot this obviously false
information. Most of them probably either aren't aware of the fact (we
were always told NOT to investigate the Vedas or "Vedic texts" on our
own, as it would just "confuse" us) or if they are, they're afraid to
go against what the founder said or they are out-and-out TB's.


>  And
> rediscover and correct Ayurveda?  Or, as the TMO says in information I
> was reading recently: "Maharishi completely restored the thousands of
> years-old scattered Vedic Literature for the total significance of its
> theory and practice, and organized it in the form of a complete
> science of consciousness. Maharishi's Vedic Science includes the
> restoration of the ancient Vedic system of health care, which offers a
> science and technology for unfolding perfection in life, using methods
> that are completely free from harmful side effects."

This is particularly incorrect in regards to Ayurveda, which he
diluted, although he did help popularize it. Dr. Pete tells an
interesting story of a Vaidya or scholar that came and gave a lecture
on Ayurveda at MIU IIRC and later when the tapes were made, they
edited out so much of what the speakers lecture said that didn't jive
with official movement "think" that it no longer even resembled what
the guy was actually saying!

> Vaj, I take it that you are saying that MMY is not a Yogi under the
> applicable traditions.  I don't think anyone really disputes that. 

Oh my heavens Ruth, prepare to be stoned! He was a yogi who lived in
the Valley of the Saints and then came to the land of mud to bring to
TM to the world, based on a recurring thought he kept having while
trying to meditate.

Actually one of the Shankaracharya's of Jyotir Math IIRC and a fellow
student of SBS has come out and said that MMY was not trained as a yogi.

> One of the few things that does not bother me about MMY is the
> breaking from tradition, going from being a secretary to a teacher. 
> If someone feels that they have something of value to teach, fine by
> me, even if they are not in the right caste or do not have the right
> background.  However, it is of relevance in evaluating his educational
> background on topics where he professed knowledge, such as asanas or
> the siddhis or vedic science. 

And assuming titles. How do you feel when someone who's not a
physicians calls themselves a "doctor" (and infers they are a medical
doctor).

When it comes to mantra yoga, mantras can be authentically given by
puja. But there's a bit more to mantra yoga than what we were lead to
believe.

> I have never been clear on how he came up with transcendental
> meditation, i.e., the routine and the mantras.  What did he say
about it?

The party line is he got them from Swami Brahmananda. The only
problems with that is that Swami Brahmananda's oral teachings are in
opposition to what MMY taught, although MMY does pepper his teachings
with bits and pieces of authentic information and wisdom, most of
which is well known by spiritual Indians.

One of his most interesting faux pas is the claim that other
meditation techniques have traditionally taught some form of forced
concentration, meditation that involves straining. It's a red
herring--of course having read or heard that, you're almost afraid to
try anything else! Here's the whole spiel, which is easily refutable
as hype and posturing, but it's still a pretty entertaining read:

http://tinyurl.com/34bras

" By the process of comparing his own direct experience of 
the actual goal of meditation with the common understanding then 
available, it became clear to Maharishi that the common idea of 
what meditation was supposed to be was in fact a complete 
distortion of the original meaning of the ancient procedure. 
Procedures of concentration or of forcing the mind to be free of 
content, with or without the use of a sensory medium such as an 
auditory or visual focus, seemed to him to lead away from, 
rather than toward, the desired result. At every stage of 
experimentation, Mahar

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj the honest and forthright

[Vaj]

On Feb 19, 2009, at 6:16 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:




The TM mythos is filled with the tacit implication or even insistence
that MMY was fully enlightened. In fact during his death ceremonies
they kept repeating that he wasn't just enlightened, but the most
enlightened rishi of all yugas!





Doesn't MMY need to be enlightened under TM theory?  How else could he
rediscover what he claimed were lost mediation techniques?


I think it's understood by most reasonable and objective folks who've  
done a little lookin', that "TM is nothing new under the sun", it's  
not something he's "restored", in fact it's a ubiquitous form of basic  
meditation.


There are still many people who will repeat, matter-a-factly, that TM  
is a form of "Vedic" meditation, but nothing could be farther from the  
truth. Movement representatives will still parrot this obviously false  
information. Most of them probably either aren't aware of the fact (we  
were always told NOT to investigate the Vedas or "Vedic texts" on our  
own, as it would just "confuse" us) or if they are, they're afraid to  
go against what the founder said or they are out-and-out TB's.




 And
rediscover and correct Ayurveda?  Or, as the TMO says in information I
was reading recently: "Maharishi completely restored the thousands of
years-old scattered Vedic Literature for the total significance of its
theory and practice, and organized it in the form of a complete
science of consciousness. Maharishi's Vedic Science includes the
restoration of the ancient Vedic system of health care, which offers a
science and technology for unfolding perfection in life, using methods
that are completely free from harmful side effects."


This is particularly incorrect in regards to Ayurveda, which he  
diluted, although he did help popularize it. Dr. Pete tells an  
interesting story of a Vaidya or scholar that came and gave a lecture  
on Ayurveda at MIU IIRC and later when the tapes were made, they  
edited out so much of what the speakers lecture said that didn't jive  
with official movement "think" that it no longer even resembled what  
the guy was actually saying!



Vaj, I take it that you are saying that MMY is not a Yogi under the
applicable traditions.  I don't think anyone really disputes that.


Oh my heavens Ruth, prepare to be stoned! He was a yogi who lived in  
the Valley of the Saints and then came to the land of mud to bring to  
TM to the world, based on a recurring thought he kept having while  
trying to meditate.


Actually one of the Shankaracharya's of Jyotir Math IIRC and a fellow  
student of SBS has come out and said that MMY was not trained as a yogi.



One of the few things that does not bother me about MMY is the
breaking from tradition, going from being a secretary to a teacher.
If someone feels that they have something of value to teach, fine by
me, even if they are not in the right caste or do not have the right
background.  However, it is of relevance in evaluating his educational
background on topics where he professed knowledge, such as asanas or
the siddhis or vedic science.


And assuming titles. How do you feel when someone who's not a  
physicians calls themselves a "doctor" (and infers they are a medical  
doctor).


When it comes to mantra yoga, mantras can be authentically given by  
puja. But there's a bit more to mantra yoga than what we were lead to  
believe.



I have never been clear on how he came up with transcendental
meditation, i.e., the routine and the mantras.  What did he say  
about it?


The party line is he got them from Swami Brahmananda. The only  
problems with that is that Swami Brahmananda's oral teachings are in  
opposition to what MMY taught, although MMY does pepper his teachings  
with bits and pieces of authentic information and wisdom, most of  
which is well known by spiritual Indians.


One of his most interesting faux pas is the claim that other  
meditation techniques have traditionally taught some form of forced  
concentration, meditation that involves straining. It's a red herring-- 
of course having read or heard that, you're almost afraid to try  
anything else! Here's the whole spiel, which is easily refutable as  
hype and posturing, but it's still a pretty entertaining read:


http://tinyurl.com/34bras

" By the process of comparing his own direct experience of
the actual goal of meditation with the common understanding then
available, it became clear to Maharishi that the common idea of
what meditation was supposed to be was in fact a complete
distortion of the original meaning of the ancient procedure.
Procedures of concentration or of forcing the mind to be free of
content, with or without the use of a sensory medium such as an
auditory or visual focus, seemed to him to lead away from,
rather than toward, the desired result. At every stage of
experimentation, Maharishi held to the guideline given him by
his master that maximum

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj the honest and forthright

[enlightened_dawn11]

exactly. he thinks the 12 of us who have called him on his BS are
upset and hateful towards him. nothing could be further from the
truth. we think he is an arrogant little jerk parading around like
some great teacher, and trashing the Maharishi and TM in the process.

he is a delusional little fellow who lives in his head, thinking as he
said that only he knows the truth, and the rest of us are ignorant
fools - really pathetic stuff. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> 
> > When someone is given (or in this case takes) a title,
> > as per the previous description by the Dalai Lama on
> > the qualifications of a teacher which flipped everyone
> > out so much,
> 
> In fact, as Vaj knows, *nobody* was "flipped out" by
> the Dalai Lama's description, or disturbed by it in
> the slightest. Some of us were annoyed at the way Vaj
> tried to use it to dump on MMY.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj the devious and dishonest

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > So, it's all about Jim.
> > >
> > 
> > I like Jim.  Enlightened Dawn, if you are Jim,
> 
> The biggest tell for me is the use of the term "THE Maharishi" by a
> person who is an insider enough to want to defend attacks on him.  It
> is a deceptive affectation that is incongruent for the level of TM
> involvement. 
> 
> You can disguise writing style but it is more difficult to mask POV.
> 


Well, I've been chastised for saying "The Maharishi" and I think I invented the
term "MMY" but who knows?


Lawson

[FairfieldLife] Why isn't unemployment higher?

[I am the eternal]

We offshored it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/17/AR2009021702769_pf.html

The Dysfunctional Duo

By Harold Meyerson
Wednesday, February 18, 2009; A13

We are hemorrhaging jobs just now, but by historic standards,
unemployment may look a little low. The official unemployment rate
(which understates actual unemployment, to be sure) is at 7.6 percent,
a far cry from the 10 percent-plus during the downturn of the early
1980s. In those years, Midwestern manufacturing shed more jobs than it
is shedding today. Where's the comparable unemployment now?

It's out there, and then some. Only, it's in East Asia. We've offshored it.

In China, where exports dropped 17.5 percent in January, tens of
thousands of factories have closed, and the government estimates that
20 million migrant workers -- rural Chinese who moved to manufacturing
zones for the work -- have lost their jobs. Japan, Hong Kong,
Singapore and Taiwan all project declines in their gross domestic
products this year.

The problem is that East Asia is one big export platform, and its
mega-importer -- the United States -- has stopped buying. If the
emblematic image of the Great Depression was that of Americans lined
up for bread or living in urban shantytowns, the signature image of
the current collapse is the acres of Japanese-made cars gathering dust
in the immense parking lots abutting the Los Angeles and Long Beach
harbors. According to Morgan Stanley economists, exports account for
47 percent of the output of East Asia's developing economies. Here in
the United States, consumption accounted for more than 70 percent of
our GDP on the eve of our consumer meltdown.

The solution for East Asia, and China in particular, is to change its
economic strategy. Instead of relying so heavily on exports, China
will have to increase its domestic consumption. It will have to invest
in upgrading its infrastructure and establish social insurance
programs so that its citizens, instead of hoarding money, will be able
to spend more. It will have to allow wage levels to rise, creating a
more stable domestic market for its goods.

Devising a successful economic strategy for the United States is a
good deal trickier. When our economic elites offshored much of our
manufacturing sector to East Asia and other cheap-labor lands, and
took arms against union labor here at home, they ensured that most of
the American jobs created over the past quarter-century would come in
retail and service sectors that paid less than manufacturing. Every
year for the past couple of decades, we've added lots more
sales-clerk, cashier and fast-food jobs than we've created in high
technology or energy. Yet Americans have been able to maintain
middle-class living standards -- not through rising income but through
rising debt, available to us because China has funneled the immense
revenue it amassed selling us goods back to us in the form of loans
that we can no longer repay.

At the center of the global meltdown, then, is the misshapen economic
codependency of the United States and China. Each has followed a
fundamentally unstable economic model, with one nation suppressing
wages so that it could export more and the other living on borrowed
funds so that it could purchase more. Despite the sharply different
roles that each nation carved for itself, though, a shared
characteristic allowed them to chart their ultimately disastrous
course.

What do the United States and China have in common? They are the only
two major economic powers that are resolutely hostile to unions. In
China, any unions not controlled by the state are outlawed, which is
why so many protests about unpaid wages and the like take the form of
riots; there's no legal way to enforce workers' rights. In the United
States for the past 30 years, business has been implacably opposed to
labor, routinely violating the National Labor Relations Act rather
than permitting employees to join unions.

Over the past few years, as global alliances of unions have begun to
win agreements with global corporations, there's been one major
impediment to such accords. "I always look at the percentage of a
company's revenues from two nations, China and the U.S.," says Ron
Oswald of the International Union of Food Workers, "in deciding
whether to push for an international agreement." That's what happens
when worker organizing is all but forbidden.

But suppose that China and the United States did have powerful unions.
In China, such unions might have pushed for higher wages, social
insurance and more domestic consumption. Here, such unions would have
preserved more of a manufacturing sector and boosted wages in the
service and retail sectors, so that American consumers could have
relied more on income than on credit to make their purchases. The two
nations would have had more sustainable economic strategies. And the
world economy might not now be plunging into what, so far, appears to
be a bottomless pit.

meyers...@washpost.c

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj the honest and forthright

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:

> When someone is given (or in this case takes) a title,
> as per the previous description by the Dalai Lama on
> the qualifications of a teacher which flipped everyone
> out so much,

In fact, as Vaj knows, *nobody* was "flipped out" by
the Dalai Lama's description, or disturbed by it in
the slightest. Some of us were annoyed at the way Vaj
tried to use it to dump on MMY.


> One case and point

("case in point")

 brought this home very clearly just recently.  
> Someone had posted links to old lectures of MMY. One
> was on mantra from the Rishikesh days. So I listened
> to them to see how they were. And the guy had no idea
> how to answer. Very nervous with much nervous laughter.

Or, what Vaj is pleased to describe as nervousness.

 MMY biographer Paul Mason later described it and I
> thought how refreshing it was that someone else had
> the exact same impression. Here I was expecting some
> great explanations,

How many here believe Vaj was "expecting some great
explanations" from Maharishi?

And how many think whatever MMY had said, Vaj would
have found some way to trash it?

My memory of this episode is that someone asked MMY
whether he got the mantras from Guru Dev, and MMY
laughed and said he didn't know what mantras Guru
Dev used because they were given out privately. If
that's what Vaj is referring to, he's seriously
misrepresenting the exchange.

 but not so. Of course  
> I've already brought up the asana course thing--they
> were written by a gym teacher.

Here's how Vaj brought up what he calls the "asana
course thing" before:

"If M. was a yogi, he could have easily written a
brilliant book [on hatha yoga] or even better a
course with his sharp intellect. But this is clearly
not the case. Instead they found a HS gym teacher
to do so and those formed the sets used for rounding.
I'm sure many here have the booklets (which now
circulate in PDF form)."

So Vaj knew, when he first mentioned it, that it
wasn't a "course" at all, much less a book.  It was
a few sheets with crude stick-figure-like drawings
to serve as aides-memoirs of the postures (which
were actually demonstrated by TM teachers to course
participants).

At the time, it was pointed out to Vaj that the asana
sheets were never intended to be anything remotely
like a "course" or "book" on hatha yoga, nor did
they require any deep knowledge of it. It was
something a gym teacher with some knowledge of very
basic, simple yoga asanas *could* put together on
his own and make the drawings for, most likely with
guidance from MMY as to which postures to use. For
this purpose, there was zero need for MMY to do any
more than that.

The point of the asanas in rounding, at least at the
time they were introduced and for years after that
(there may have been recent changes, for all I know)
was simply to make for a bit of physical activity
between meditations. There was no concern whatsoever
about how meditators did them, just that they go
approximately through the motions to move the body
around some.

Later, MMY *did* come out with an actual hatha yoga
course, but that wasn't what the gym teacher Vaj is
talking about helped with. Vaj is attempting to
make readers think MMY had a highschool gym teacher
create a whole course or book on hatha yoga, but that
wasn't the case at all, as he knows.

 These are very touchy things to even mention here  
> (apparently)

They're "touchy" because they're mostly bullshit.

> --and will probably drive more hate mail

Vaj's posts are a lot closer to "hate mail" than
the posts that correct his many misstatements.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj the devious

[billy jim]

 Normal   0  Here are some thoughts for your consideration about 
using the term "yogi": 
   
  Definitions of these kinds of terms depend on the context in which such a 
term is used. Wiki definitions are often useful for a quick introduction to a 
topic. However they are sometimes inaccurate when taken as authoritative. 
   
  We use the term “yogi” here in the West in a rather casual way. We use it to 
identify someone who engages in some kind of serious practice of yoga, whether 
that practice is Hindu or Buddhist.
   
  In the past the situation was different – particularly in India. “Yogi” was a 
term only used for someone who was enlightened – whether that meant yoked to 
Bhagavan or united in Brahman. It was not a term used for a practitioner of 
yoga. The term used for a serious practitioner (sadhaka) of yoga was “tapasin” 
– a term meaning someone who practiced tapasya (either particular kinds of 
austerities or practiced yoga in an austere, rigorous manner). 
   

Perhaps this way of using the term is less prevelant in contemporary times 
since Indian culture has become influenced by Western ideas. 



  Tibetans are less formal about these designations. They use the term “yogi” 
to differentiate a serious practitioner from a mere scholar. However they more 
generally use the term Ngakpa (a Mantrin or mantrika) - meaning a practitioner 
of mantras. However this does not mean that someone only practices mantra and 
nothing else. Rather it means someone whose whole life is devoted to yoga 
practice. 
   
  This Tibetan definition may sound similar to our own but is much more 
challenging way of practicing than most of us are willing to do. The 
foundational practices (so called preliminaries) for taking up Tantric 
discipline begins with sets of 100,000 repetitions for each of four or five 
separate types of practice - prostrations being only one type. When we consider 
that full prostrations on the floor (danda pranams) are the norm then for we 
begin to see it all in a different way. And that is just to get started. 
   
   
  Posted by: "BillyG." wg...@yahoo.com   wgm4u   Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:57 am 
(PST)   Even I am a Yogi, only because I meditate. It's really a generic term
 and he certainly NEVER said he was a Guru or a Sat-Guru, he's offering
 *Yoga-lite for modernity*, the only Yoga modernity is capable of
 getting any benefit from, at its present state of evolution. I think
 in the context you're speaking you mean a *realized* Yogi, or Jivan
 Mukti, yes?
 
 From Wiki:
 
 A yogi (Sanskrit, feminine root: yogini) is a term for a male
 practitioner of various forms of spiritual practice. In contemporary
 English yogin is an alternative rendering for the word yogi. In
 Hinduism it refers to an adherent of Yoga. The word is also often used
 in the Buddhist context to describe Buddhist monks or a householders
 devoted to meditation. Chatral Rinpoche for example is a famous
 wandering yogi from Tibet
   

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj the honest and forthright

[Sal Sunshine]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:


The TM mythos is filled with the tacit implication or even insistence
that MMY was fully enlightened. In fact during his death ceremonies
they kept repeating that he wasn't just enlightened, but the most
enlightened rishi of all yugas!


Yeah, but could he boogie?

Sal

Re: [FairfieldLife] "NAFTA is not good for America"

[I am the eternal]

On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 3:07 PM, shempmcgurk  wrote:
> Well, that's what Obama said during the campaign.
>
> Now that he's in Canada today, Obama makes it sound like it's the best
> thing since sliced bread.  "I love this country", said Obama (and he
> wasn't referring to the United States).

You can't be impeached for lying during your campaign.  It's expected.
 We're going to be lied to by a candidate whether they pass or fail
the brown paper bag test.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is the revolt beginning? Call for a new "tea party"

[I am the eternal]

On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 2:54 PM, BillyG.  wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> wrote:
>>
>> Is Obama rewarding "bad behavior" with his new loan plan?
>>
>> "If government spending can stimulate the economy, why don't we spend
>> $1 trillion an hour so we can make $1.5 trillion an hour?"
>>
>> http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1039849853
>
> Our problems have been solved, we just passed them along to our
> children!!  Let's party!

Let's party?  Let's continue the party that went on for 10 years when
people traded up and up and up into houses they could never have
previously afforded AND THEY KNEW IT.  Let's party with everyone who
refinanced their house over and over again so they could qualify for
yet larger home equity loans.  Of course these people aren't to blame
for biting off so much more then they could ever chew.  It was the
appraisers/loan officers/bankers/AIG fault.  So let's bail these home
"owners" out.  Let's not let the value of their homes reset to where
it was a decade ago.  That would be wrong.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot

[Robert]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "guyfawkes91"  
wrote:
>
> 
> > These are counter-revolutionairies that are nothing better than 
> > mobsters.  This simply should not be tolerated by any of us.  It 
is 
> > tedious to recount the horrors of their world in our society.  
The 
> > addiction, the character depravity, their extortions, and yes the 
> > lawlessness, enslavement, the murder, and the orphaned. 
> > 
> > This kind of illegal drug cultural behavior of thinking they 
could 
> > and even should run a drug grow house is incipit pernicious mob 
rule 
> > that is a direct threat to all our American communal freedoms 
which 
> > we have fought for and won for so long and so hard.   Yield not 
to 
> > that of these mobster counter-revolutionaries.  They absolutely 
> > should not be tolerated. This is the price of all our liberty.  
Stand 
> > firm fellow citizens.
> > 
> > Jai Guru Dev,
> >
> Satire so close to the edge we'd almost believe you really thought 
that.
>
Ya Know, these guy's are novices compared to the real gangsters of 
history;
Where are the Al Capones, and the machine guns...the blood and death.
The boozers, the drunks, that good 'ol moonshine?
Remember to leave a bottle of beer for the 'Hungry Ghosts'..
Did you have a good Valentines Day?
R.G.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Can foreign nationals come into the U.S. and work on campaigns?

[I am the eternal]

On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 3:09 PM, shempmcgurk  wrote:
> I saw Obama's press conference on TV today with Canadian Prime
> Minister Stephen Harper.  Curiously, towards the end of it, Obama
> thanked those Canadians that crossed the border to work on his
> campaign.
>
> Is that legal?

Under NAFTA you can come across the border to work.  All you need to
do is show some sort of credential.  If you want to work as an
engineer, for example, show proof that you've graduated from an
engineering school.  There are so many Canadians and Mexicans working
in the US under NAFTA you just wouldn't believe it.  As a matter of
fact, Indians often tell me that they are planning on going to Canada
(and bringing the whole family from India) to take up residence there,
as Canada doesn't have as stringent rules (yeah, like the US does),
then cross back into the US to work in the US under NAFTA.

We already have solid proof that Obama wasn't much of a constitutional
lawyer because he announced that he was going to overturn as many laws
as possible.  Now if we ralllyyy stretch the
definition of executive order we can apply the term "laws" to them but
attorneys speak precisely and law professors speak even more
precisely.  There's a whole lot we've not been able to find out about
Obama so precisely what he did doesn't really much matter now.  We're
stuck with him.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can foreign nationals come into the U.S. and work on campaigns?

[Robert]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > That's it, shemp...Obama got through a grueling campaign
> > and won a near-landslide victory all while using illegal workers.
> 
> [snip]
> 
> Hey, Sal, do you ANY idea what a "landslide" is?
> 
> If you did, you'd know that Obama had neither a landslide nor 
a "near" 
> landslide.
> 
Well, I'm not sure what you would consider a 'Landslide'...
Reagan had a so-called landslide in '84.
But, then again, he was just so 'white' and wore a cowboy hat...
What a guy he was..
Too bad he was demented and senile...

At least we can say, that he didn't steal the election, like that 
incompetent guy from Texas, who should have stuck with owning a 
baseball team.
R.G.
> But keep dreaming...
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is the revolt beginning? Call for a new "tea party"

[Bhairitu]

BillyG. wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> wrote:
>   
>> Is Obama rewarding "bad behavior" with his new loan plan?
>>
>> "If government spending can stimulate the economy, why don't we spend 
>> $1 trillion an hour so we can make $1.5 trillion an hour?"
>>
>> http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1039849853
>> 
>
> Our problems have been solved, we just passed them along to our
> children!!  Let's party! 
You guys have children?  Poor kids.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj the honest and forthright

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> The TM mythos is filled with the tacit implication or even insistence  
> that MMY was fully enlightened. In fact during his death ceremonies  
> they kept repeating that he wasn't just enlightened, but the most  
> enlightened rishi of all yugas!
> 
>


Doesn't MMY need to be enlightened under TM theory?  How else could he
rediscover what he claimed were lost mediation techniques?  And
rediscover and correct Ayurveda?  Or, as the TMO says in information I
was reading recently: "Maharishi completely restored the thousands of
years-old scattered Vedic Literature for the total significance of its
theory and practice, and organized it in the form of a complete
science of consciousness. Maharishi's Vedic Science includes the
restoration of the ancient Vedic system of health care, which offers a
science and technology for unfolding perfection in life, using methods
that are completely free from harmful side effects."

Vaj, I take it that you are saying that MMY is not a Yogi under the
applicable traditions.  I don't think anyone really disputes that. 
One of the few things that does not bother me about MMY is the
breaking from tradition, going from being a secretary to a teacher. 
If someone feels that they have something of value to teach, fine by
me, even if they are not in the right caste or do not have the right
background.  However, it is of relevance in evaluating his educational
background on topics where he professed knowledge, such as asanas or
the siddhis or vedic science. 

I have never been clear on how he came up with transcendental
meditation, i.e., the routine and the mantras.  What did he say about it?
 




>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can foreign nationals come into the U.S. and work on campaigns?

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  
wrote:


[snip]

> That's it, shemp...Obama got through a grueling campaign
> and won a near-landslide victory all while using illegal workers.

[snip]

Hey, Sal, do you ANY idea what a "landslide" is?

If you did, you'd know that Obama had neither a landslide nor a "near" 
landslide.

But keep dreaming...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can foreign nationals come into the U.S. and work on campaigns?

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "boo_lives"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> wrote:
> >
> > I saw Obama's press conference on TV today with Canadian Prime 
> > Minister Stephen Harper.  Curiously, towards the end of it, Obama 
> > thanked those Canadians that crossed the border to work on his 
> > campaign.
> > 
> > Is that legal?
> 
> let's see, I wonder how knows more about the legalities of
> presidential campaigns, shemp or obama?  



You would think Obama seeing as he is both the president and 
allegedly a constitutional professor...but we've seen how much his 
expertise in this area has influenced the goofs he has made on the 
campaign trail (claiming that a president could override existing 
legislation).

No harm in asking the question.



> 
> What's up shemp, given up on claiming obama isn't american?


You're confusing me with others on this forum who questioned Obama's 
birth certificate (I never did).




> 
> > 
> > I'm a Canadian citizen living in the U.S. (and I do NOT have dual 
> > citizenship) who pays my taxes to the U.S. government and as far 
as I 
> > know I am not allowed to contribute monitarily to candidates or 
> > campaigns in the U.S. (I say this because every time I get a 
phone 
> > soliticitation during campaigns asking for money that as soon as 
I 
> > tell them I am a foreign national and not a U.S. citizen, it 
abruptly 
> > ends the call).  
> > 
> > I'm probably allowed to volunteer my time (stuffing envelopes, 
etc.) 
> > but I'm not even sure about that.  But are non-residents, non-
> > citizens allowed to do that?
> > 
> > 'Cause if they aren't then Obama today thanked foreign visitors 
to 
> > the U.S. for participating in illegal activities (and before 
Bongo 
> > Brazil goes postal on me, hey, I'm just asking...I do NOT know 
the 
> > rules!)
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj the honest and forthright

[Vaj]

On Feb 19, 2009, at 1:57 PM, BillyG. wrote:


No, an actual yogi, as in an practitioner and realizer of yoga-
darshana as opposed to someone without any of the aforementioned, but
nonetheless promotes him or herself as a "yogi".


MMY never claimed to be enlightened, if anything he suggested
otherwise when he made the comment that even a Doctor who was sick
could prescribe medicine for a sick person, paraphrased.


The TM mythos is filled with the tacit implication or even insistence  
that MMY was fully enlightened. In fact during his death ceremonies  
they kept repeating that he wasn't just enlightened, but the most  
enlightened rishi of all yugas!



Even I am a Yogi, only because I meditate.  It's really a generic term
and he certainly NEVER said he was a Guru or a Sat-Guru, he's offering
*Yoga-lite for modernity*, the only Yoga modernity is capable of
getting any benefit from, at its present state of evolution. I think
in the context you're speaking you mean a *realized* Yogi, or Jivan
Mukti, yes?


When someone is given (or in this case takes) a title, as per the  
previous description by the Dalai Lama on the qualifications of a  
teacher which flipped everyone out so much, they know the texts as  
lineally taught and the states of consciousness, all the meditative  
experiences, that go along with it. Because they possess both relative  
and experiential knowledge, they can authentically teach (i.e. not  
just make things up as they go along or stumble through things). In  
many cases it also indicates that they've received certain  
initiations, depending on your tradition, what that means might vary.  
Then the student is left with both authentic experiential knowledge of  
yoga-vidya and the texts to jog their own memories and a way to pass  
it on.


One case and point brought this home very clearly just recently.  
Someone had posted links to old lectures of MMY. One was on mantra  
from the Rishikesh days. So I listened to them to see how they were.  
And the guy had no idea how to answer. Very nervous with much nervous  
laughter. MMY biographer Paul Mason later described it and I thought  
how refreshing it was that someone else had the exact same impression.  
Here I was expecting some great explanations, but not so. Of course  
I've already brought up the asana course thing--they were written by a  
gym teacher. These are very touchy things to even mention here  
(apparently)--and will probably drive more hate mail--but it's this  
type of thing I was referring to.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot

[guyfawkes91]

> These are counter-revolutionairies that are nothing better than 
> mobsters.  This simply should not be tolerated by any of us.  It is 
> tedious to recount the horrors of their world in our society.  The 
> addiction, the character depravity, their extortions, and yes the 
> lawlessness, enslavement, the murder, and the orphaned. 
> 
> This kind of illegal drug cultural behavior of thinking they could 
> and even should run a drug grow house is incipit pernicious mob rule 
> that is a direct threat to all our American communal freedoms which 
> we have fought for and won for so long and so hard.   Yield not to 
> that of these mobster counter-revolutionaries.  They absolutely 
> should not be tolerated. This is the price of all our liberty.  Stand 
> firm fellow citizens.
> 
> Jai Guru Dev,
>
Satire so close to the edge we'd almost believe you really thought that. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mayan Prophecies and why the world will not end in 2012

[Kirk]

That's what he said.

- Original Message - 
From: "enlightened_dawn11" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 3:29 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Mayan Prophecies and why the world will not 
end in 2012


> this mythic and cosmic battle between dark forces and light outlined
> here sounds similar to the TMO's advice to live in a house with an
> east facing door.
>
> it is a construct for those of us who accept the fictional reality
> that the universe is external to us, foreign to us, and that we must
> en masse react to this fictional construct with specific activities.
>
> doesn't make a bit of sense to me-- just an empty drama for those not
> willing to live in the moment.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>>
>>  THE WORLD WILL NOT END IN 2012
>> By Carlos Barrios
>>
>> Carlos Barrios was born into a Spanish family on El Altiplano, the
> highlands
>> of Guatemala. 
>
>
>
> 
>
> To subscribe, send a message to:
> fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com
>
> Or go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
> and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj the devious and dishonest

[BillyG.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "boo_lives"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG."  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > On Feb 19, 2009, at 3:13 AM, sparaig wrote:
> > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm sorry, I would have to stand by what I said.
> > > >>
> > > >> Have you ever met a real yogi?
> > > >>
> > > >> On Feb 18, 2009, at 7:30 PM, shukra69 wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> see Vaj's recent comments about Maharishi for the hypocrisy
of his
> > > >>> crying "ad hominin" and "debate"
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > "Real Yogi"...? Is that like a "Real Christian" or a "Real  
> > > > Buddhist" or a
> > > > "Real Unitarian-Universalist"...?
> > > 
> > > No, an actual yogi, as in an practitioner and realizer of yoga- 
> > > darshana as opposed to someone without any of the aforementioned,
> but  
> > > nonetheless promotes him or herself as a "yogi".
> > 
> > MMY never claimed to be enlightened, if anything he suggested
> > otherwise when he made the comment that even a Doctor who was sick
> > could prescribe medicine for a sick person, paraphrased.
> > 
> Oh come on, everyone in the tmo thinks mmy is fully enlightened and he
> has encouraged that - lately the official line at their boring
> ceremonies has been "the most enlightened sage to ever walk the
> earth".  The doctor comment was in response to a question about how tm
> teachers who obviously weren't enlightened could teach tm, ie not
> enlightened like he was.

Don't recall the context of that remark, you may be right, though I
still contend MMY never said he was enlightened, though it's true he
never said he wasn't. 

And, yes, I agree with you, the tmorg treats MMY like a Sat-Guru and
they don't even know what a Sat-Guru (True realized Guru) is, but MMY
NEVER claimed to be a Sat-Guru, or even a Guru for that matter to my
knowledge.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can foreign nationals come into the U.S. and work on campaigns?

[Sal Sunshine]

On Feb 19, 2009, at 3:33 PM, boo_lives wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
wrote:


I saw Obama's press conference on TV today with Canadian Prime
Minister Stephen Harper.  Curiously, towards the end of it, Obama
thanked those Canadians that crossed the border to work on his
campaign.

Is that legal?


let's see, I wonder how knows more about the legalities of
presidential campaigns, shemp or obama?

What's up shemp, given up on claiming obama isn't american?


Bingo.

That's it, shemp...Obama got through a grueling campaign
and won a near-landslide victory all while using illegal workers.  And
the Republicans, shrinking violets that they are, were just
too darned polite to mention it.

Call the cops--quick.

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can foreign nationals come into the U.S. and work on campaigns?

[boo_lives]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
wrote:
>
> I saw Obama's press conference on TV today with Canadian Prime 
> Minister Stephen Harper.  Curiously, towards the end of it, Obama 
> thanked those Canadians that crossed the border to work on his 
> campaign.
> 
> Is that legal?

let's see, I wonder how knows more about the legalities of
presidential campaigns, shemp or obama?  

What's up shemp, given up on claiming obama isn't american?

> 
> I'm a Canadian citizen living in the U.S. (and I do NOT have dual 
> citizenship) who pays my taxes to the U.S. government and as far as I 
> know I am not allowed to contribute monitarily to candidates or 
> campaigns in the U.S. (I say this because every time I get a phone 
> soliticitation during campaigns asking for money that as soon as I 
> tell them I am a foreign national and not a U.S. citizen, it abruptly 
> ends the call).  
> 
> I'm probably allowed to volunteer my time (stuffing envelopes, etc.) 
> but I'm not even sure about that.  But are non-residents, non-
> citizens allowed to do that?
> 
> 'Cause if they aren't then Obama today thanked foreign visitors to 
> the U.S. for participating in illegal activities (and before Bongo 
> Brazil goes postal on me, hey, I'm just asking...I do NOT know the 
> rules!)
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mayan Prophecies and why the world will not end in 2012

[enlightened_dawn11]

this mythic and cosmic battle between dark forces and light outlined 
here sounds similar to the TMO's advice to live in a house with an 
east facing door. 

it is a construct for those of us who accept the fictional reality 
that the universe is external to us, foreign to us, and that we must 
en masse react to this fictional construct with specific activities.

doesn't make a bit of sense to me-- just an empty drama for those not 
willing to live in the moment.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
>  THE WORLD WILL NOT END IN 2012
> By Carlos Barrios
> 
> Carlos Barrios was born into a Spanish family on El Altiplano, the 
highlands
> of Guatemala. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj the devious and dishonest

[boo_lives]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG."  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On Feb 19, 2009, at 3:13 AM, sparaig wrote:
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I'm sorry, I would have to stand by what I said.
> > >>
> > >> Have you ever met a real yogi?
> > >>
> > >> On Feb 18, 2009, at 7:30 PM, shukra69 wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> see Vaj's recent comments about Maharishi for the hypocrisy of his
> > >>> crying "ad hominin" and "debate"
> > >>
> > >
> > > "Real Yogi"...? Is that like a "Real Christian" or a "Real  
> > > Buddhist" or a
> > > "Real Unitarian-Universalist"...?
> > 
> > No, an actual yogi, as in an practitioner and realizer of yoga- 
> > darshana as opposed to someone without any of the aforementioned,
but  
> > nonetheless promotes him or herself as a "yogi".
> 
> MMY never claimed to be enlightened, if anything he suggested
> otherwise when he made the comment that even a Doctor who was sick
> could prescribe medicine for a sick person, paraphrased.
> 
Oh come on, everyone in the tmo thinks mmy is fully enlightened and he
has encouraged that - lately the official line at their boring
ceremonies has been "the most enlightened sage to ever walk the
earth".  The doctor comment was in response to a question about how tm
teachers who obviously weren't enlightened could teach tm, ie not
enlightened like he was.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is the revolt beginning? Call for a new "tea party"

[Mike Dixon]

--- On Thu, 2/19/09, BillyG.  wrote:

From: BillyG. 
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is the revolt beginning? Call for a new "tea party"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, February 19, 2009, 8:54 PM






--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, "shempmcgurk" 
wrote:
>
> Is Obama rewarding "bad behavior" with his new loan plan?
> 
> "If government spending can stimulate the economy, why don't we spend 
> $1 trillion an hour so we can make $1.5 trillion an hour?"
> 
> http://www.cnbc. com/id/15840232? video=1039849853

Our problems have been solved, we just passed them along to our
children!! Let's party! 


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[FairfieldLife] Can foreign nationals come into the U.S. and work on campaigns?

[shempmcgurk]

I saw Obama's press conference on TV today with Canadian Prime 
Minister Stephen Harper.  Curiously, towards the end of it, Obama 
thanked those Canadians that crossed the border to work on his 
campaign.

Is that legal?

I'm a Canadian citizen living in the U.S. (and I do NOT have dual 
citizenship) who pays my taxes to the U.S. government and as far as I 
know I am not allowed to contribute monitarily to candidates or 
campaigns in the U.S. (I say this because every time I get a phone 
soliticitation during campaigns asking for money that as soon as I 
tell them I am a foreign national and not a U.S. citizen, it abruptly 
ends the call).  

I'm probably allowed to volunteer my time (stuffing envelopes, etc.) 
but I'm not even sure about that.  But are non-residents, non-
citizens allowed to do that?

'Cause if they aren't then Obama today thanked foreign visitors to 
the U.S. for participating in illegal activities (and before Bongo 
Brazil goes postal on me, hey, I'm just asking...I do NOT know the 
rules!)

[FairfieldLife] "NAFTA is not good for America"

[shempmcgurk]

Well, that's what Obama said during the campaign.

Now that he's in Canada today, Obama makes it sound like it's the best 
thing since sliced bread.  "I love this country", said Obama (and he 
wasn't referring to the United States).

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is the revolt beginning? Call for a new "tea party"

[BillyG.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
wrote:
>
> Is Obama rewarding "bad behavior" with his new loan plan?
> 
> "If government spending can stimulate the economy, why don't we spend 
> $1 trillion an hour so we can make $1.5 trillion an hour?"
> 
> http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1039849853

Our problems have been solved, we just passed them along to our
children!!  Let's party! 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj the devious and dishonest

[ruthsimplicity]

.
> 
> But hey, I said that a very long time ago and I don't remember why 
> you made me say something like that ! Things change you know, and I'm 
> sure your friends are happy to be a friend with you !
>
Why thank you Nabby!

[FairfieldLife] Is the revolt beginning? Call for a new "tea party"

[shempmcgurk]

Is Obama rewarding "bad behavior" with his new loan plan?

"If government spending can stimulate the economy, why don't we spend 
$1 trillion an hour so we can make $1.5 trillion an hour?"

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1039849853

Re: [FairfieldLife] Up to 15 in 1

[Bhairitu]

Duveyoung wrote:
> A.  it controls up to 15 electronic units and gives you a
> "one touch" ability to set up your gizmos instantly.  To watch a DVD,
> I used to have to get my flat screen TV's remote and change the input
> to DVD, get the DVD powered up with its remote, use another remote to
> control the sound from the amp, and another remote from Charter
> Communications to change channels etc.  And then if I wanted to pause
> the DVD and check the TV guide, I'd have to switch it all back to the
> TV again.
I see that Charter Communications is filing for bankruptcy. 
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-10167010-75.html

I suspect most of the cable companies will be in trouble before the year 
is over.  Like cutting out Starbucks people are beginning to look at 
their cable bills and cutting back.  Many of these companies bought and 
built out older systems as if the economy was going to be good forever.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The third eye and the Pineal gland.

[enlightened_dawn11]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG."  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
>  wrote:
> >
> > again, i respectfully differ. all 7 must be open in order to 
achieve 
> > CC, the result of which then ripens through devotion into GC, 
and 
> > then further into UC. 
> > 
> > as long as any chakras are unopened, or uncleared, there cannot 
be a 
> > reliable direct channel between the individual and the universal 
> > energies; no permanent sustainable enlightenment. once this 
channel 
> > is open and sustained, we are off and running so to speak, 
merging 
> > first from the duality of CC, to the refined duality of GC into 
the 
> > oneness of UC. 
> 
> I don't believe that is true, though since neither of us is there 
it
> will always be conjecture, at any rate, what you are saying is
> basically what MMY taught, but you must remember he never 
correlated 
> the states of realization with the chakras so you need to name your
> source?
> 
> You must remember CC is only Self Realization, that is Soul
> Realization, it doesn't embrace the World Soul or GC until the
> experience overflows the individual nervous system and takes on the
> 'reflection' of the world nervous system. Unity (or PC) is, like 
you
> mentioned, immanent AND transcendent.
> 
> CC is only realization of Being on the level of the individual 
ONLY,
> Quote: "The silence which is experienced in cosmic consciousness, 
and
> which separates the Self from activity, is on an infinitely smaller
> scale, for it is on the level of *individual* existence."  MMY Gita
> CHVI vs3.
> 
> With all due respect, here again perhaps the bubble diagram has
> confused you. It's an interesting subject because MMY never spoke 
in
> detail what is at the source of thought, per se IMO and based on my
> research.
>
Oh Ok-- thanks for the clarification. you could be right, based on 
what MMY has said above.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The third eye and the Pineal gland.

[BillyG.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
>
> ---The 3-rd eye chakra can open up into pure Consciousness (as say 
> the Sant Mat Gurus); when controlled out of body travel allows 
> the "Soul" (composite of subtle bodies minus the physical body); to 
> discard lower sheaths as it travels like a rocket into the Beyond, 
> finally transcending on hearing the celestial Music of the Spheres.
> If a claimant to Enlightenment can't perform this Sidhi, then she is 
> only in a lower stage of Enlightenment.


As MMY said, CC is a *milestone* on the path of enlightenment, but
just the beginning...

[FairfieldLife] Re: The third eye and the Pineal gland.

[yifuxero]

---The 3-rd eye chakra can open up into pure Consciousness (as say 
the Sant Mat Gurus); when controlled out of body travel allows 
the "Soul" (composite of subtle bodies minus the physical body); to 
discard lower sheaths as it travels like a rocket into the Beyond, 
finally transcending on hearing the celestial Music of the Spheres.
If a claimant to Enlightenment can't perform this Sidhi, then she is 
only in a lower stage of Enlightenment.


 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11  
wrote:
>
> again, i respectfully differ. all 7 must be open in order to 
achieve 
> CC, the result of which then ripens through devotion into GC, and 
> then further into UC. 
> 
> as long as any chakras are unopened, or uncleared, there cannot be 
a 
> reliable direct channel between the individual and the universal 
> energies; no permanent sustainable enlightenment. once this channel 
> is open and sustained, we are off and running so to speak, merging 
> first from the duality of CC, to the refined duality of GC into the 
> oneness of UC. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG."  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > i respectfully disagree. third eye experiences account for all 
> of our 
> > > psychic experiences and the ability to see into celestial 
> worlds, 
> > > which even unenlightened people can develop. it is not the 
> opening of 
> > > the third eye which allows us to consciously transcend to pure 
> > > consciousness, but the opening of the next chakra, the crown, 
> which 
> > > enables this. 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG."  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > By opening this door, (the Ajna chakra) one consciously 
> transcends to
> > > > pure consciousness. MMY never spoke much about this because 
it 
> is a
> > > > very high state of spiritual development, and few (if any) 
> meditators
> > > > of any discipline have reached this lofty state of 
> consciousness.
> > > > 
> > > > Charlie used to say the number of people enlightened on this 
> planet
> > > > could stand under a small umbrella.
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k_0Hwn7yac&feature=related
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.crystalinks.com/thirdeyepineal.html
> > 
> > I think what you said is more accurate, though I think
> > Self-Realization (MMY's CC) is actually realized by opening the 
> 6th; 
> > upon opening the 7th, Unity is achieved.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The third eye and the Pineal gland.

[BillyG.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
 wrote:
>
> again, i respectfully differ. all 7 must be open in order to achieve 
> CC, the result of which then ripens through devotion into GC, and 
> then further into UC. 
> 
> as long as any chakras are unopened, or uncleared, there cannot be a 
> reliable direct channel between the individual and the universal 
> energies; no permanent sustainable enlightenment. once this channel 
> is open and sustained, we are off and running so to speak, merging 
> first from the duality of CC, to the refined duality of GC into the 
> oneness of UC. 

I don't believe that is true, though since neither of us is there it
will always be conjecture, at any rate, what you are saying is
basically what MMY taught, but you must remember he never correlated 
the states of realization with the chakras so you need to name your
source?

You must remember CC is only Self Realization, that is Soul
Realization, it doesn't embrace the World Soul or GC until the
experience overflows the individual nervous system and takes on the
'reflection' of the world nervous system. Unity (or PC) is, like you
mentioned, immanent AND transcendent.

CC is only realization of Being on the level of the individual ONLY,
Quote: "The silence which is experienced in cosmic consciousness, and
which separates the Self from activity, is on an infinitely smaller
scale, for it is on the level of *individual* existence."  MMY Gita
CHVI vs3.

With all due respect, here again perhaps the bubble diagram has
confused you. It's an interesting subject because MMY never spoke in
detail what is at the source of thought, per se IMO and based on my
research.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj the devious and dishonest

[BillyG.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Feb 19, 2009, at 3:13 AM, sparaig wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm sorry, I would have to stand by what I said.
> >>
> >> Have you ever met a real yogi?
> >>
> >> On Feb 18, 2009, at 7:30 PM, shukra69 wrote:
> >>
> >>> see Vaj's recent comments about Maharishi for the hypocrisy of his
> >>> crying "ad hominin" and "debate"
> >>
> >
> > "Real Yogi"...? Is that like a "Real Christian" or a "Real  
> > Buddhist" or a
> > "Real Unitarian-Universalist"...?
> 
> No, an actual yogi, as in an practitioner and realizer of yoga- 
> darshana as opposed to someone without any of the aforementioned, but  
> nonetheless promotes him or herself as a "yogi".

MMY never claimed to be enlightened, if anything he suggested
otherwise when he made the comment that even a Doctor who was sick
could prescribe medicine for a sick person, paraphrased.

Even I am a Yogi, only because I meditate.  It's really a generic term
and he certainly NEVER said he was a Guru or a Sat-Guru, he's offering
*Yoga-lite for modernity*, the only Yoga modernity is capable of
getting any benefit from, at its present state of evolution. I think
in the context you're speaking you mean a *realized* Yogi, or Jivan
Mukti, yes?

>From Wiki:

A yogi (Sanskrit, feminine root: yogini) is a term for a male
practitioner of various forms of spiritual practice. In contemporary
English yogin is an alternative rendering for the word yogi. In
Hinduism it refers to an adherent of Yoga. The word is also often used
in the Buddhist context to describe Buddhist monks or a householders
devoted to meditation. Chatral Rinpoche for example is a famous
wandering yogi from Tibet.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj the devious and dishonest

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity  
> > 
> > 
> > > Because the topics here are very personal, I can understand if 
someone
> > > wants to try a new identity.  Especially if they felt they were
> > picked> on for their beliefs and feelings.  Jim believes that he 
is
> > > enlightened.  He got a lot of flak for that.
> > 
> > Both Jim and ED gave and give a much as they get in that regard.  
I
> > guess you have never been at the business end of both barrels.  I
> > think if you are going to mix it up with people and be aggressive 
then
> > a level playing field is more appropriate.  But I get your point 
too.
> 
> 
> Yes, I haven't been at the business end of both barrels from Jim or
> EDawn.  So I am much more understanding.  It is very easy to get 
your
> back up when under attack.  I know from experience here and regret 
it.
>  Oddly, Nabby has said the absolutely worst things to me, for 
example,
> saying that he did not understand why my TB friends would be friends
> with a person like me.  But Nabby is so out there with his peculiar
> posts and apparently peculiar beliefs that it doesn't bug me, it 
just
> fascinates me. I kinda feel he is like the pet dog who was once
> abused,  you want to rub him behind the ears and make him better, 
but
> you don't because he might bite.

But hey, I said that a very long time ago and I don't remember why 
you made me say something like that ! Things change you know, and I'm 
sure your friends are happy to be a friend with you ! 

Re: [FairfieldLife] John Cole gets email from Hillary Clinton supporters

[Sal Sunshine]

On Feb 19, 2009, at 11:44 AM, do.rflex wrote:


The weirdest thing is these are allegedly lefties- but at no time
during the past eight years did I get the steady email trashing me for
voting for Bush. Just weird. The Clinton cult is a strange, strange  
thing.


The lefties from hell!

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: The third eye and the Pineal gland.

[enlightened_dawn11]

again, i respectfully differ. all 7 must be open in order to achieve 
CC, the result of which then ripens through devotion into GC, and 
then further into UC. 

as long as any chakras are unopened, or uncleared, there cannot be a 
reliable direct channel between the individual and the universal 
energies; no permanent sustainable enlightenment. once this channel 
is open and sustained, we are off and running so to speak, merging 
first from the duality of CC, to the refined duality of GC into the 
oneness of UC. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG."  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
>  wrote:
> >
> > i respectfully disagree. third eye experiences account for all 
of our 
> > psychic experiences and the ability to see into celestial 
worlds, 
> > which even unenlightened people can develop. it is not the 
opening of 
> > the third eye which allows us to consciously transcend to pure 
> > consciousness, but the opening of the next chakra, the crown, 
which 
> > enables this. 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG."  wrote:
> > >
> > > By opening this door, (the Ajna chakra) one consciously 
transcends to
> > > pure consciousness. MMY never spoke much about this because it 
is a
> > > very high state of spiritual development, and few (if any) 
meditators
> > > of any discipline have reached this lofty state of 
consciousness.
> > > 
> > > Charlie used to say the number of people enlightened on this 
planet
> > > could stand under a small umbrella.
> > > 
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k_0Hwn7yac&feature=related
> > > 
> > > http://www.crystalinks.com/thirdeyepineal.html
> 
> I think what you said is more accurate, though I think
> Self-Realization (MMY's CC) is actually realized by opening the 
6th; 
> upon opening the 7th, Unity is achieved.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj the devious and dishonest

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
 wrote:
>
> i think Vaj was hoping that he could be our resident and pet Dalai 
> Lama, dispensing wisdom, and clearing the haze of ignorance from our 
> eyes.
> 
I doubt it.  He like others shares his point of view.  You strongly
disagree with it.  How about mellowing out?Why not instead of
using this place as a place to rant, use it as a place to make your
case as to why TM is good ? My biggest complaint about this place is
the mind-reading that goes on.  Give a try at not making assumptions
about why people post what they post and see where it leads.



 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj the devious and dishonest

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity  
> 
> 
> > Because the topics here are very personal, I can understand if someone
> > wants to try a new identity.  Especially if they felt they were
> picked> on for their beliefs and feelings.  Jim believes that he is
> > enlightened.  He got a lot of flak for that.
> 
> Both Jim and ED gave and give a much as they get in that regard.  I
> guess you have never been at the business end of both barrels.  I
> think if you are going to mix it up with people and be aggressive then
> a level playing field is more appropriate.  But I get your point too.


Yes, I haven't been at the business end of both barrels from Jim or
EDawn.  So I am much more understanding.  It is very easy to get your
back up when under attack.  I know from experience here and regret it.
 Oddly, Nabby has said the absolutely worst things to me, for example,
saying that he did not understand why my TB friends would be friends
with a person like me.  But Nabby is so out there with his peculiar
posts and apparently peculiar beliefs that it doesn't bug me, it just
fascinates me. I kinda feel he is like the pet dog who was once
abused,  you want to rub him behind the ears and make him better, but
you don't because he might bite. 



 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The third eye and the Pineal gland.

[BillyG.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Feb 19, 2009, at 12:04 PM, BillyG. wrote:
> 
> > By opening this door, (the Ajna chakra) one consciously transcends to
> > pure consciousness. MMY never spoke much about this because it is a
> > very high state of spiritual development, and few (if any) meditators
> > of any discipline have reached this lofty state of consciousness.
> >
> > Charlie used to say the number of people enlightened on this planet
> > could stand under a small umbrella.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k_0Hwn7yac&feature=related
> >
> > http://www.crystalinks.com/thirdeyepineal.html
> 
> The Pineal and Melatonin
> 
> . . . there is a small gland in the brain called the pineal in which  
> the soul exercises its
> function more particularly than in any other part.
> Rene´ Descartes (1596–1650)1
> 
> In the seventeenth century, it was plausible to suggest that the  
> pineal gland was
> the ``seat of the soul.'' Why? Look where it sat: right in the  
> midline, just below the
> back end of the corpus callosum. From this central location, the  
> pineal was
> flanked on either side by a bulging thalamus, and could look down on  
> the superior
> colliculus.
> 
> Still, it seemed rather small to account for a soul—a mere 8 mm or so  
> long.
> The fact that its glandular structure shrunk after puberty also  
> contributed to its
> being viewed as a kind of vestigial structure, corresponding to the  
> rudimentary
> third eye of some lower vertebrates.
> 
> Had Descartes known about melatonin, he might have been surprised.  
> Indeed,
> its unusual hormonal properties have surprised many contemporary  
> neurobiologists.
> First characterized by Aaron Lerner in 1958, melatonin has since been
> shown to be an important hormone that activates specific receptors  
> both in brain
> and body.
> 
> After it was found that melatonin was made from serotonin, it was  
> then discovered
> that the first step in this conversion involved a particular  
> transferase enzyme.
> This enzyme was induced by norepinephrine (via cyclic AMP). Moreover,
> a different enzyme was involved in the second step. Its activity was  
> markedly
> reduced by the amount of ambient light.
> 
> How is this relevant to current meditation research? These two steps  
> in melatonin
> synthesis inform us that meditation's stress-relieving effects might  
> reduce
> melatonin levels by reducing the release of norepinephrine. On the  
> other hand,
> melatonin levels could increase if you closed your eyes during  
> meditation and
> reduced the amount of light.
> 
> Zen-Brain Reflections by James Austin, MD
> 
> Certain types of meditation will therefore reduce stress hormones in  
> the body, others actually increase stress hormone levels!

I appreciate you're not a dope Vaj and have used your God given
intelligence to research this subject thoroughly. I mean, if you can't
think out of the box (the box being the teachings of the TMorg and
MMY's only) you might just as well be a cult member.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The third eye and the Pineal gland.

[BillyG.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
 wrote:
>
> i respectfully disagree. third eye experiences account for all of our 
> psychic experiences and the ability to see into celestial worlds, 
> which even unenlightened people can develop. it is not the opening of 
> the third eye which allows us to consciously transcend to pure 
> consciousness, but the opening of the next chakra, the crown, which 
> enables this. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG."  wrote:
> >
> > By opening this door, (the Ajna chakra) one consciously transcends to
> > pure consciousness. MMY never spoke much about this because it is a
> > very high state of spiritual development, and few (if any) meditators
> > of any discipline have reached this lofty state of consciousness.
> > 
> > Charlie used to say the number of people enlightened on this planet
> > could stand under a small umbrella.
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k_0Hwn7yac&feature=related
> > 
> > http://www.crystalinks.com/thirdeyepineal.html

I think what you said is more accurate, though I think
Self-Realization (MMY's CC) is actually realized by opening the 6th; 
upon opening the 7th, Unity is achieved.

[FairfieldLife] John Cole gets email from Hillary Clinton supporters

[do.rflex]

The Joy Of Blogging
by John Cole

One of the real joys of blogging is the mail, and since Obama was
inaugurated, every single day I get spammed email from Clinton
supporters about "how all my whoring for Obama" paid off or something
to that effect, complete with a cut and paste of an entire Glenn
Greenwald post (I read him every day as it is, folks, so you can save
yourself the time) and a little note explaining to me that Obama's
human rights sins are worse than the Bush era and might even rival the
Khmer Rouge.

Seriously. Nowhere does it seem to occur to them that as Hillary is
working with Obama, there is no reason to think that were she
President things would be much different. Nor has it occurred to any
of them that the first few weeks of an administration is a touch early
to judge the record and overall direction.

The weirdest thing is these are allegedly lefties- but at no time
during the past eight years did I get the steady email trashing me for
voting for Bush. Just weird. The Clinton cult is a strange, strange thing.

~~ John Cole, former Republican  
http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=17441

Re: [FairfieldLife] The third eye and the Pineal gland.

[Vaj]

On Feb 19, 2009, at 12:04 PM, BillyG. wrote:


By opening this door, (the Ajna chakra) one consciously transcends to
pure consciousness. MMY never spoke much about this because it is a
very high state of spiritual development, and few (if any) meditators
of any discipline have reached this lofty state of consciousness.

Charlie used to say the number of people enlightened on this planet
could stand under a small umbrella.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k_0Hwn7yac&feature=related

http://www.crystalinks.com/thirdeyepineal.html


The Pineal and Melatonin

. . . there is a small gland in the brain called the pineal in which  
the soul exercises its

function more particularly than in any other part.
Rene´ Descartes (1596–1650)1

In the seventeenth century, it was plausible to suggest that the  
pineal gland was
the ‘‘seat of the soul.’’ Why? Look where it sat: right in the  
midline, just below the
back end of the corpus callosum. From this central location, the  
pineal was
flanked on either side by a bulging thalamus, and could look down on  
the superior

colliculus.

Still, it seemed rather small to account for a soul—a mere 8 mm or so  
long.
The fact that its glandular structure shrunk after puberty also  
contributed to its
being viewed as a kind of vestigial structure, corresponding to the  
rudimentary

third eye of some lower vertebrates.

Had Descartes known about melatonin, he might have been surprised.  
Indeed,
its unusual hormonal properties have surprised many contemporary  
neurobiologists.

First characterized by Aaron Lerner in 1958, melatonin has since been
shown to be an important hormone that activates specific receptors  
both in brain

and body.

After it was found that melatonin was made from serotonin, it was  
then discovered
that the first step in this conversion involved a particular  
transferase enzyme.

This enzyme was induced by norepinephrine (via cyclic AMP). Moreover,
a different enzyme was involved in the second step. Its activity was  
markedly

reduced by the amount of ambient light.

How is this relevant to current meditation research? These two steps  
in melatonin
synthesis inform us that meditation’s stress-relieving effects might  
reduce
melatonin levels by reducing the release of norepinephrine. On the  
other hand,
melatonin levels could increase if you closed your eyes during  
meditation and

reduced the amount of light.

Zen-Brain Reflections by James Austin, MD

Certain types of meditation will therefore reduce stress hormones in  
the body, others actually increase stress hormone levels!

[FairfieldLife] Before Marriage Think About....

[arhatafreespeech]

that this is what you may get with it:









THE SEVEN DEADLY SINS




 

Men 
  1. Lust 2. Gluttony
3. Sloth

4. Anger
5. Pride 
6. Envy
 7. Greed
 Women
 1. Pride 2. Envy 3. Anger 4. Lust 
5. Gluttony 6. Avarice 7. Sloth








  
Focus on the first couple of man and woman sins and, expect those
 aspects for a normal marriage to have those. 
When Pride meets Lust

http://www.freedomofspeech.netfirms.com/


  

[FairfieldLife] A grammarians comment on YS III 37 (38)

[cardemaister]

Both [Vyaasa and Bhoja -- card] refer to the same. Omanand Teerth's
commentary says that "te" refers to the above mentioned six siddhis.
Let's confirm this from

1. Vyaasa Bhashya - प्रातिभादयः - the likes of Praatibha 
(which is the
first of the six siddhis) - hence refering to the six siddhis
2. BhojavRtti - प्राक्प्रतिपादिताः  - 
"pratipaadita" means stated or
mentioned and "praak" - means before. So it translates to "those
stated (just) before (this sutra)" which should refer to the siddhis
mentioned in the preceding sutra ततः 
प्रातिभश्रावणवेदनादर्शास्वादवार्ता.

Hence here प्रातिभादयः and 
प्राक्प्रतिपादिताः both refer to same six 
siddhis.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The third eye and the Pineal gland.

[enlightened_dawn11]

i respectfully disagree. third eye experiences account for all of our 
psychic experiences and the ability to see into celestial worlds, 
which even unenlightened people can develop. it is not the opening of 
the third eye which allows us to consciously transcend to pure 
consciousness, but the opening of the next chakra, the crown, which 
enables this. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG."  wrote:
>
> By opening this door, (the Ajna chakra) one consciously transcends to
> pure consciousness. MMY never spoke much about this because it is a
> very high state of spiritual development, and few (if any) meditators
> of any discipline have reached this lofty state of consciousness.
> 
> Charlie used to say the number of people enlightened on this planet
> could stand under a small umbrella.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k_0Hwn7yac&feature=related
> 
> http://www.crystalinks.com/thirdeyepineal.html
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj the devious and dishonest

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity  
wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > So, it's all about Jim.
> > 
> > I like Jim.  Enlightened Dawn, if you are Jim,
> 
> The biggest tell for me is the use of the term "THE
> Maharishi" by a person who is an insider enough to
> want to defend attacks on him.

I don't think it's that much of a "tell," nor do
I think one has to be an "insider" to defend MMY
if one feels he's being unfairly maligned.

 
> You can disguise writing style but it is more
> difficult to mask POV.

It's actually very difficult to disguise writing
style consistently, especially when you're writing
many short contributions one after another quite
rapidly. ED's writing style is *very* different
from Jim's.

This is iffy, but to me ED's seems like a female
writing style. I couldn't tell you why, but it's
a very strong impression. Men trying to write as
if they were women typically aren't very good at
it and usually give themselves away at some point
by saying something a woman would be unlikely to
say, or in a way a woman would be unlikely to put
it. And I haven't seen any such giveaways from ED.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by POV, but it
seems to me the content of ED's posts and the
style of her of interactions with others are not
like Jim's at all.

ED's concerned with different things than Jim was;
her posts have a very different set of emphases. 
Just for one thing, Jim repeatedly insisted he was
enlightened, whereas ED has not.

ED is also a lot more aggressive; she obviously
enjoys being confrontational and frequently provokes
it, whereas Jim didn't. He'd do it when he felt he
had to, but he didn't revel in it as ED does.

And her writing is a whole lot clearer. I couldn't
figure out what the hell Jim was talking about much
of the time when he was describing his experiences,
but I don't have trouble following ED's descriptions.

You may recall that ED went after me pretty nastily
not long after she arrived for fighting with Barry.
Jim, in contrast, LOVED how I dealt with Barry. We
had long friendly discussions in private email both
before and after he left FFL (he continued to read it
for a while and would send me his comments on whatever
was going on).

He emailed me from his Jim Flanegin address when he
was posting here as Jim, and from his Sandiego address
when he was posting here as Sandiego--but signed the
emails "Jim"--so he wasn't trying to hide from me that
he was Sandiego; he took it for granted that I knew.
ED has never contacted me by email.

Early on, ED revealed one thing about herself that is
not consistent with what we know about Jim: she has a
4-year-old son. Jim has a single nearly adult daughter,
and I don't believe he ever mentioned having a very
young son too.

As to "editing" her writing to reveal as little as
possible about herself, there could be all kinds of
reasons for wanting to maintain her privacy. But I
suspect part of it is that she knows it drives Barry
batty that she won't respond to his demands to give
us specifics about her TM involvement, and she enjoys
watching him fulminate.

All that said, I wouldn't be astonished to learn that
ED *has* been on FFL before under a different name,
but I'm just about positive she isn't Jim. I could be
wrong, but the contrasts between them are so many
that creating and sustaining the ED persona would have
to involve a great deal of attention and planning,
both in general and in terms of planting red herrings--
and I really doubt Jim would care enough to put so much
effort into it, or would even have the discipline and
persistence to sustain it.

[FairfieldLife] The third eye and the Pineal gland.

[BillyG.]

By opening this door, (the Ajna chakra) one consciously transcends to
pure consciousness. MMY never spoke much about this because it is a
very high state of spiritual development, and few (if any) meditators
of any discipline have reached this lofty state of consciousness.

Charlie used to say the number of people enlightened on this planet
could stand under a small umbrella.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k_0Hwn7yac&feature=related

http://www.crystalinks.com/thirdeyepineal.html

[FairfieldLife] Buncha Bigots

[raunchydog]

"Eric Holder, America's first African American Attorney General under
America's first black President, said in a speech to Department of
Justice employees celebrating Black History Month, that we are a
"nation of cowards"  because we don't like to talk candidly about
race.  This is wrong on so many levels...

Barack Obama should not be president because he's black, Eric Holder
should not be attorney general for that reason, either.  Because that
issue was promoted as justification for their attaining their
respective positions, many of us were offended, while, to be honest,
many more felt vindicated.  The disappointment was not limited to
people of any particular group, though African Americans
disproportionately embraced the counter opinion.  Just as many men
felt, and still feel, that Hillary Clinton was the better Democratic
choice, and many white Republicans felt similarly about John McCain,
many black Americans, like me, feel that Barack Obama was not.  Race
and gender most often had nothing to do with it.

I call our president Black Obama because his racial background played
far too large a part in his election.  When he secured the nomination
of his party, fraudulently in my opinion, that fraud was validated by
"the historic nature of his candidacy," blah, blah, blah.  His, and
his campaign's, deliberate, subtle, and blatant exploitation of his
racial background was shameful to me.   Race should never trump
integrity.  Just because we've never had a black president is no
reason to embrace this one.

Yet, once he was elected, all sorts of racial baggage was either laid
at his feet, or more often, exonerated, while the legacy of the Civil
Rights Movement's triumphs was awarded to him simply because of who
his father happened to be.  His own lack of accomplishment,
experience, preparedness and qualification was magically rendered
irrelevant because he's a black man."
Read more:  http://tinyurl.com/dmdvaj

[FairfieldLife] Re: The L Word, episode 108: "Where's my stimulus package?"

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
 wrote:
>
> i absolutely love "my name is earl", and his ex-wife is hilarious! 
> even bought the first series dvd. i can't think of the actor's name 
> who plays earl but he was also excellent in a movie that came out in 
> 2001, "Big Trouble".

Jason Lee http://tinyurl.com/d86hj

[FairfieldLife] The Mayan Prophecies and why the world will not end in 2012

[Rick Archer]

 THE WORLD WILL NOT END IN 2012
By Carlos Barrios

Carlos Barrios was born into a Spanish family on El Altiplano, the highlands
of Guatemala. His home was in Huehuetenango, also the dwelling place of the
Maya Mam tribe.

With other Maya and other indigenous tradition keepers, the Mam carry part
of the old ways on Turtle Island (North America).

They are keepers of time, authorities on remarkable calendars that are
ancient, elegant and relevant.Mr Barrios is a historian, an anthropologist
and investigator. After studying with traditional elders for 25 years since
the age of 19, he has also became a Mayan Ajq'ij, a ceremonial priest and
spiritual guide, Eagle Clan.

Years ago, along with his brother, Gerardo, Carlos initiated an
investigation into the different Mayan calendars. He studied with many
teachers. He says his brother Gerardo interviewed nearly 600 traditional
Mayan elders to widen their scope of knowledge.

"Anthropologists visit the temple sites," Mr. Barrios says, "and read the
inscriptions and make up stories about the Maya, but they do not read the
signs correctly. It's just their imagination... Other people write about
prophecy in the name of the Maya. They say that the world will end in
December 2012. The Mayan elders are angry with this. The world will not end.
It will be transformed. The indigenous have the calendars, and know how to
accurately interpret it, not others.

The Mayan Calendars comprehension of time, seasons, and cycles has proven
itself to be vast and sophisticated. The Maya understand 17 different
calendars, some of them charting time accurately over a span of more than
ten million years. The calendar that has steadily drawn global attention
since 1987 is called the Tzolk'in or Cholq'ij.

Devised ages ago and based on the cycle of the Pleiades, it is still held as
sacred.
With the indigenous calendars, native people have kept track of important
turning points in history.

For example, the day keepers who study the calendars identified an important
day in the year One Reed, Ce Acatal, as it was called by the Mexicans. That
was the day when an important ancestor was prophesied to return, "coming
like a butterfly. " In the western calendar, the One Reed date correlates to
Easter Sunday, April 21, 1519 the day that Hernando Cortez and his fleet of
11 Spanish galleons arrived from the East at what is today called Vera Cruz,
Mexico.

When the Spanish ships came toward shore, native people were waiting and
watching to see how it would go.

The billowing sails of the ships did indeed remind the scouts of butterflies
skimming the ocean surface. In this manner was a new era initiated, an era
they had anticipated through their calendars. The Maya termed the new era
the Nine Bolomtikus, or nine Hells of 52 years each.
As the nine cycles unfolded, land and freedom were taken from the native
people.

Disease and disrespect dominated.

What began with the arrival of Cortez, lasted until August 16, 1987 - a date
many people recall as Harmonic Convergence. Millions of people took
advantage of that date to make ceremony in sacred sites, praying for a
smooth transition to a new era, the World of the Fifth Sun.

>From that 1987 date until now, Mr. Barrios says, we have been in a time when
the right arm of the materialistic world is disappearing, slowly but
inexorably. We are at the cusp of the era when peace begins, and people live
in harmony with Mother Earth. We are no longer in the World of the Fourth
Sun, but we are not yet in the World of the Fifth Sun. This is the time
in-between, the time of transition.

As we pass through transition there is a colossal, global convergence of
environmental destruction, social chaos, war, and ongoing Earth changes.

All this, Mr .Barrios says, was foreseen via the simple, spiral mathematics
of the Mayan calendars. "It will change," Mr. Barrios observes.

"Everything will change." He said Mayan Day keepers view the DEC. 21,2012
date as a rebirth, the start of the World of the Fifth Sun. It will be the
start of a new era resulting from and signified by the solar meridian
crossing the galactic equator, and the earth aligning itself with
the center of the galaxy.

At sunrise on December 21, 2012 for the first time in 26,000 years the Sun
rises to conjunct the intersection of the Milky Way and the plane of the
ecliptic. This cosmic cross is considered to be an embodiment of the Sacred
Tree, The Tree of Life, a tree remembered in all the world's spiritual
traditions.

Some observers say this alignment with the heart of the galaxy in 2012 will
open a channel for cosmic energy to flow through the earth, cleansing it and
all that dwells upon it, raising all to a higher level of vibration.

This process has already begun, Mr. Barrios suggested.

"Change is accelerating now, and it will continue to accelerate. " If the
people of the earth can get to this 2012 date in good shape, without having
destroyed

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj the devious and dishonest

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity  


> Because the topics here are very personal, I can understand if someone
> wants to try a new identity.  Especially if they felt they were
picked> on for their beliefs and feelings.  Jim believes that he is
> enlightened.  He got a lot of flak for that.

Both Jim and ED gave and give a much as they get in that regard.  I
guess you have never been at the business end of both barrels.  I
think if you are going to mix it up with people and be aggressive then
a level playing field is more appropriate.  But I get your point too.


  Not surprisingly he was
> defensive.  If he wanted to escape that trap one way is a new
identity.  
> 
> I like Jim because he answered my questions, did not try to be cute or
> score points.  In return, I tried to be respectful of him.

wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
>  wrote:
> >
> > Most of the people who use
> > other screen names that I interact with here have connected with me
> > through email, so I know I am dealing with a real person.  I
> > appreciate that.  We are dealing with very personal topics here so for
> > me, anything that helps me understand who I am communicating with
> > helps me focus my writing.  
> > 
> > Whether ED is really Jim or not the poster is spending some editing
> > attention to make sure we know very little about them personally.  A
> > technique that is much more effective without a long history of
> > interaction.
> > 
> > But hey, I could be wrong, I often am!
> > 
> 
> Because the topics here are very personal, I can understand if someone
> wants to try a new identity.  Especially if they felt they were picked
> on for their beliefs and feelings.  Jim believes that he is
> enlightened.  He got a lot of flak for that.  Not surprisingly he was
> defensive.  If he wanted to escape that trap one way is a new
identity.  
> 
> I like Jim because he answered my questions, did not try to be cute or
> score points.  In return, I tried to be respectful of him.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj the devious and dishonest

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
 wrote:
>
> Most of the people who use
> other screen names that I interact with here have connected with me
> through email, so I know I am dealing with a real person.  I
> appreciate that.  We are dealing with very personal topics here so for
> me, anything that helps me understand who I am communicating with
> helps me focus my writing.  
> 
> Whether ED is really Jim or not the poster is spending some editing
> attention to make sure we know very little about them personally.  A
> technique that is much more effective without a long history of
> interaction.
> 
> But hey, I could be wrong, I often am!
> 

Because the topics here are very personal, I can understand if someone
wants to try a new identity.  Especially if they felt they were picked
on for their beliefs and feelings.  Jim believes that he is
enlightened.  He got a lot of flak for that.  Not surprisingly he was
defensive.  If he wanted to escape that trap one way is a new identity.  

I like Jim because he answered my questions, did not try to be cute or
score points.  In return, I tried to be respectful of him.  

[FairfieldLife] Re: The L Word, episode 108: "Where's my stimulus package?"

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
wrote:
>
> The latest season to be released on DVD (season 5?) reached new 
> heights in terms of chutzpah.
> 
> I'm referring specifically to Sybil Shephard and her real life 
> daughter, Clementine Ford.
> 
> The mother/daughter thespian team's two characters -- who are also 
> mother/daughter characters -- both "convert" to lesbianism in the 
> course of the series.
> 
> I find that a tad distasteful that Shephard would see fit to play a 
> lesbian alongside her daughter, especially since they both end up 
> bedding the same character.
> 
> High on the icky factor.

Oh Shemp, Where's your sense of humor? Sybil is a riot in L-Word. Jane
Lynch who plays Joyce, her earnest lovesick girlfriend is even
funnier. Both have terrific comedic timing and together provided some
of the best laugh out loud scenes on L-word. http://tinyurl.com/am5eru 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj the devious and dishonest

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"
>  wrote:
> >
> > So, it's all about Jim.
> >
> 
> I like Jim.  Enlightened Dawn, if you are Jim,

The biggest tell for me is the use of the term "THE Maharishi" by a
person who is an insider enough to want to defend attacks on him.  It
is a deceptive affectation that is incongruent for the level of TM
involvement. 

You can disguise writing style but it is more difficult to mask POV.

 Although I have had good interactions with Jim as well, I prefer a
more upfront interaction with people here. Any squirrelly factor tends
to detract from the communication for me.  Most of the people who use
other screen names that I interact with here have connected with me
through email, so I know I am dealing with a real person.  I
appreciate that.  We are dealing with very personal topics here so for
me, anything that helps me understand who I am communicating with
helps me focus my writing.  

Whether ED is really Jim or not the poster is spending some editing
attention to make sure we know very little about them personally.  A
technique that is much more effective without a long history of
interaction.

But hey, I could be wrong, I often am!



 I am glad you came
> back.  I couldn't stay away either.  
> 
> Be cool.  Keep in mind what Kirk said try not to bait or be baited.  I
> am going to give it a shot myself. :)
>

[FairfieldLife] Swiss bank UBS agrees to name wealthy US tax evaders

[do.rflex]

In the hush-hush world of Swiss banking, the unthinkable is happening:
secrets are spilling into the open. 

UBS, the largest bank in Switzerland, agreed on Wednesday to divulge
the names of well-heeled Americans whom the authorities suspect of
using offshore accounts at the bank to evade taxes. 

The bank admitted conspiring to defraud the Internal Revenue Service
and agreed to pay $780 million to settle a sweeping federal
investigation into its activities.

It is unclear how many of its clients' names UBS will divulge. Federal
prosecutors have been examining about 19,000 accounts at the bank, but
UBS ultimately may disclose the identities of only a few hundred
customers.

But to some, turning over any names at all heralds the end of the
secret Swiss bank account, whose traditions date to the Middle Ages.

"The Swiss are saying that this is the end of Swiss banking as they
knew it," said Jack Blum, an offshore tax specialist. "Nobody will
trust the security of the Swiss bank account."

As part of the settlement, UBS agreed to cooperate with a broad
summons issued by the Justice Department to turn over the names. Under
the terms of a so-called deferred prosecution agreement, the bank and
its executives could be indicted if UBS didn't identify the customers.

UBS has said it is closing the offshore accounts of its American
clients. But under the deal with the United States authorities, the
bank must provide periodic written evidence of that to prosecutors.
UBS earned $200 million annually from the business.

Prosecutors suspect that from late 2002 to 2007, UBS helped American
clients illegally hide $20 billion, letting them evade $300 million a
year in taxes.

In a striking admission, UBS said that from 2000 through 2007, some of
its private bankers and managers had "participated in a scheme to
defraud the United States" and the I.R.S. by helping American clients
set up and conceal offshore accounts. The scheme involved falsifying
or not properly obtaining or filing certain tax forms required of both
the bank and its clients.

UBS's offshore private banking business once employed some 60 private
bankers in Lugano, Zurich and Geneva. Prosecutors claimed UBS referred
clients to lawyers and accountants who set up secret offshore entities
to conceal assets from the I.R.S.

UBS urged some American clients to destroy records and to stash
watches, jewelry and artwork that they had bought with money hidden
offshore in safe deposit boxes in Switzerland. The bank also
encouraged them to use Swiss credit cards so the I.R.S. could not
track purchases. In a statement on Wednesday, Peter Kurer, the
chairman of UBS, said that "UBS sincerely regrets the compliance
failures in its U.S. cross-border business that have been identified
by the various government investigations in Switzerland and the U.S.,
as well as our own internal review. We accept full responsibility for
these improper activities."

Marcel Rohner, the group chief executive of UBS, said in a statement
that "it is apparent that as an organization we made mistakes and that
our control systems were inadequate."

In January a senior UBS executive, Raoul Weil, was declared a
fugitive, two months after being indicted by a federal judge in
connection with the investigation of the bank. Mr. Weil, a Swiss
citizen, oversaw the cross-border private banking operations from 2002
to 2007.

UBS had fiercely resisted turning over the names, even after some
executives were indicted and implicated in the offshore private
banking business. Swiss law distinguishes broadly between tax
avoidance, tax evasion and tax fraud. Unlike in the United States, tax
evasion is not a criminal offense under Swiss law.

The move by UBS to settle the case, on the eve of a Senate
subcommittee hearing next Tuesday on the matter, signals how close the
bank came to being indicted for not cooperating with prosecutors.
Indictment is a near-certain death knell for corporations.

Of the $780 million that UBS will pay, $380 million represents
disgorgement of profits from its cross-border business. The remainder
represents United States taxes that UBS failed to withhold on the
accounts. The figures include interest, penalties and restitution for
unpaid taxes

As part of the deal, UBS also entered into a consent order with the
Securities and Exchange Commission in which it agreed to charges of
having acted as an unregistered broker-dealer and investment adviser
for Americans.

The settlement caps a painful run for UBS, which suffered more than
$50 billion in losses in the collapse of the American mortgage market
and received a $60 billion bailout from the Swiss government last October.

The bank will not have to pay additional fines and penalties, which
could have brought the deal to more than $1 billion. People briefed on
the issue said the banking crisis and the recession were factors in
this decision by prosecutors.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/19/business/worldbusiness/19ubs.html?_r=2&hp

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj the devious and dishonest

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"
 wrote:
>
> So, it's all about Jim.
>

I like Jim.  Enlightened Dawn, if you are Jim, I am glad you came
back.  I couldn't stay away either.  

Be cool.  Keep in mind what Kirk said try not to bait or be baited.  I
am going to give it a shot myself. :) 

[FairfieldLife] Rant for Shemp

[ruthsimplicity]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxPcJyypUKc

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Randi

[arhatafreespeech]

All Guru-Masters play a game of 'shearing the sheep' for the benefit of the
 1 in a 1000.
Pity the minions who think with their minds when other sources are 
ignored. Get a life!
Arhata












--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Kirk"  wrote:

>

> So, I have anger at MMY and the TMO for fucking with the minds of my

> > friends.  I have anger that the MMY was a guru to those close to him

> > but left all the rank and file to deal with their own problems, like

> > "unstressing, " while asking them to give all to the movement, making

> > false and exaggerated claims to string them along until they were such

> > true believers that will never give it up.   MMY was ultimately

> > responsible for his movement.

> >

> > If MMY had stuck to 2 times 20 TM, I would be fine.  OK, it's a

> > relaxation technique.  But this quest for the constitution of the

> > universe or the unified field or perfect health or enlightenment,  or

> > the strength of an elephant has gone nowhere fast.  Now the movement

> > is filled with the over 50 crowd.  I hope it dies out. It is sick.

> 

> 

> 

> -Actually, I have experiences from the TM Sidhis. I also don't

regret 

> all the money and time I spent on all that shit, to the tune of about 

> 135,000 dollars now and growing. It has prevented me from developing a 

> materialistic mentality. I have though also been extremely lucky in

friends 

> and love. So I cannot judge, and I don't think being judgemental is the 

> particular answer Ruth to Maharishi and TMO and all the bogus stuff

piled on 

> top of the 20x2 which I agree was M's real acheivement, without

which, he 

> could not have competed with other gurus of the time, each of which has 

> their 'technique.'

> 

> Some things TM are really good, like not messing with the mind, not 

> concentrating, etc, some things are almost therefore

contraindicatory like 

> yajnas jyotish gems, sidhis, all of which introduce expectation into

the 

> subtle mind.  So in some ways TM all together with the whole package

is very 

> negative, because it produces a state of constant expectation and

therefore 

> unfulfillment. You can see this dissatisfaction in many TMer's words

here.

> 

> It was looking back on my entire development as a person that I have

seen 

> some influence of the sidhis.  Especially as regards the last five

sutras, 

> minus flying. As for being impatient as nowblowus has said, I did

the entire 

> TM package for close to half my life. that was good enough. Time to

move on. 

> Actually, I feel I was smart for unboarding from the Titanic before

it sank.

> 

> I normally don't get into these pro-anti things but I hate the hoi

polloi 

> ganging up and bullying Vaj and others, some of who have always been my 

> favorite writers here. You give a little boy a hint of a sidhi and

watch 

> them gang up on others.

>



You may have the best attitude--don' t polarize.  I agree, I don't like

the bullying, whether from the pro or anti crowd.  I'll try to avoid

it.  Thanks for helping me step back a bit. 




 

  




 

















  

[FairfieldLife] For Shemp

[ruthsimplicity]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxPcJyypUKc&eurl=http://www.early-retirement.org/forums/f28/ers-getting-screwed-42571.html

http://tinyurl.com/bwmgn4

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj the devious and dishonest

[Richard J. Williams]

So, it's all about Jim.

TurquoiseB wrote:
> > > "...because deep down they know i'm right..."- Vaj
> > 
> > that's some serious delusion going on. this guy has now had 
> > no less than 12 posters call him directly on his BS, and 
> > this is what he comes back with- the adult equivalent of a 
> > child insisting that the whole world is wrong, and he alone 
> > is right (and holds the unvarnished truth).
> 
> While I -- similar to Protestants in Salem, 
> MA -- do not suffer claims of "unvarnished
> truth" to live :-), I think that the "count
> the number of posters dumping on Vaj" game
> calls for another game.
> 
> How many posters here believe that the person
> saying the above is, in fact, our own beloved
> delusional Jim Flangin, he who once posedethed
> as sandiego108, and who now poseth as (ath?)
> enlightened_dawn11?
> 
> If there be more than 12, doth that make Vaj
> the "winner?"  
> 
> Doth it make Jimbo's entire post (poth?) an
> exercise in projection? 
> 
> For example, *who* has it been, historically,
> who has taken the stance here on FFL that "the 
> whole world is wrong, and I am right?" See how 
> funny this game could be?
> 
> I knoweth not the answers (answereths?) to 
> this medieval "How many assholes can pretend
> to be angels dancing on their own pinheads?"
> koan, but suggesteth merely that a re-read
> of this post as if the poster were really
> talking about *himself* would be an 
> entertaining exercise in humor.
>  
> > i think Vaj was hoping that he could be our resident and 
> > pet Dalai Lama, dispensing wisdom, and clearing the haze 
> > of ignorance from our eyes.
> 
> See what I mean? Jimbo disappears, reappearing
> as sandiego108, from whose lofty perch he con-
> tinues to dispense his brand of wisdom on the
> undeserving, ignorant masses of Fairfield Life.
> 
> Enter laughter, so much laughter that sandiego108
> runs away with his tail tucked between his legs,
> just as Jim Flanegin did, foiled in his second 
> attempt to become the resident "dispenser of wisdom," 
> and "clearer of haze."
> 
> Next, enter Dawn, proclaiming, "I'm new here," and
> *in "her" first post*, making claims of knowledge
> about future events that no one here could have
> possibly known, and that no one (probably because
> of their haze of ignorance) suspected -- that Obama
> would win the election. Surely no one other than
> an enlightened being could have foreseen that. :-)
> 
> Follow with more pontifications from on high, never
> with any "backup" from any other source (unlike Vaj),
> only the "pronouncements" of the person presumably
> speaking from the "completion of enlightenment."
> 
> See what I mean about "entertaining?" Whether my
> "count the numbers" game has any more validity than
> Dawn's, you've got to admit that looking at this 
> stuff from the point of view of *projection* is far
> more entertaining that just looking at the surface
> words, right?
> 
> > now that he has backed himself into a very small and cramped 
> > corner, there is nothing for him left to do, except vainly 
> > and pathetically proclaim us all to be insensitive liars in 
> > great denial of the truths that only Vaj perceives (with an 
> > adhominem attack thrown in for good measure). 
> 
> Says the person writing the ad hominem attack, 
> declaring Vaj to be an insensitive liar, and doing
> so from the small, cramped corner he has backed 
> himself into by being afraid to post as who he
> really is.
> 
> Now I ask you -- still part of this exercise in
> entertainment, mind you, not as a declaration of 
> any kind of "truth" -- which is FUNNIER? Vaj 
> doing what Dawn says above, while dressed in men's
> clothes and having used the same ID during his 
> whole time here, or someone so ashamed of their
> past that they have to "dress as" a woman and 
> pretend to be one before they can even summon up
> the balls (which would play hell with the cut of
> her slinky dresses and be positively pornographic
> in a mini-skirt) to post at all?
> 
> I suggest that the latter image is FUNNIER. Whether
> it's true or not I leave to the readers.
> 
> > sounds like every other false teacher i have heard. eventually 
> > their fall from grace becomes everyone else's fault.
> 
> Again, how does this paragraph read when posted by
> someone who consistently refuses to take responsi-
> bility not only for anything he says, but even for
> WHO HE IS? How does it read when written by someone
> whose entire "career" at Fairfield Life has been an
> exercise in making everything "someone else's fault?"
> How does it read when said by someone who has NEVER
> admitted that any of his faux pas and stupid factual
> errors were errors, and that all of them were someone
> else's fault for not being evolved enough to under-
> stand them?
> 
> So that's my little game, proposed in response to
> Dawn's. I think it's not only as valid as Dawn's
> "Let's count the number of people dumping on Vaj"
> game, but FAR more entertaining. I think tha

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Randy

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk"  wrote:
>
> So, I have anger at MMY and the TMO for fucking with the minds of my
> > friends.  I have anger that the MMY was a guru to those close to him
> > but left all the rank and file to deal with their own problems, like
> > "unstressing," while asking them to give all to the movement, making
> > false and exaggerated claims to string them along until they were such
> > true believers that will never give it up.   MMY was ultimately
> > responsible for his movement.
> >
> > If MMY had stuck to 2 times 20 TM, I would be fine.  OK, it's a
> > relaxation technique.  But this quest for the constitution of the
> > universe or the unified field or perfect health or enlightenment,  or
> > the strength of an elephant has gone nowhere fast.  Now the movement
> > is filled with the over 50 crowd.  I hope it dies out. It is sick.
> 
> 
> 
> -Actually, I have experiences from the TM Sidhis. I also don't
regret 
> all the money and time I spent on all that shit, to the tune of about 
> 135,000 dollars now and growing. It has prevented me from developing a 
> materialistic mentality. I have though also been extremely lucky in
friends 
> and love. So I cannot judge, and I don't think being judgemental is the 
> particular answer Ruth to Maharishi and TMO and all the bogus stuff
piled on 
> top of the 20x2 which I agree was M's real acheivement, without
which, he 
> could not have competed with other gurus of the time, each of which has 
> their 'technique.'
> 
> Some things TM are really good, like not messing with the mind, not 
> concentrating, etc, some things are almost therefore
contraindicatory like 
> yajnas jyotish gems, sidhis, all of which introduce expectation into
the 
> subtle mind.  So in some ways TM all together with the whole package
is very 
> negative, because it produces a state of constant expectation and
therefore 
> unfulfillment. You can see this dissatisfaction in many TMer's words
here.
> 
> It was looking back on my entire development as a person that I have
seen 
> some influence of the sidhis.  Especially as regards the last five
sutras, 
> minus flying. As for being impatient as nowblowus has said, I did
the entire 
> TM package for close to half my life. that was good enough. Time to
move on. 
> Actually, I feel I was smart for unboarding from the Titanic before
it sank.
> 
> I normally don't get into these pro-anti things but I hate the hoi
polloi 
> ganging up and bullying Vaj and others, some of who have always been my 
> favorite writers here. You give a little boy a hint of a sidhi and
watch 
> them gang up on others.
>

You may have the best attitude--don't polarize.  I agree, I don't like
the bullying, whether from the pro or anti crowd.  I'll try to avoid
it.  Thanks for helping me step back a bit. 

[FairfieldLife] Emptybill-Tell Us More

[Kirk]

Hey Emptybill, I liked how you described shaktis you know. Can you maybe devote 
a small bit of time and tell us more. Whatever enters your mind? Thank you.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot

[Kirk]

Doug, you've finally lost it.
Can't say I didn't see it coming :)


- Original Message - 
From: "dhamiltony2k5" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 6:29 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing 
Pot



> This kind of illegal drug cultural behavior of thinking they could
> and even should run a drug grow house is incipit pernicious mob rule
> that is a direct threat to all our American communal freedoms which
> we have fought for and won for so long and so hard.   Yield not to
> that of these mobster counter-revolutionaries.  They absolutely
> should not be tolerated. This is the price of all our liberty.  Stand
> firm fellow citizens.
>
> Jai Guru Dev,
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> To subscribe, send a message to:
> fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com
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> Or go to:
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> and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Randy or Kirk

[Kirk]

Billy, I am liking your style.  I am yoni-whipped alright.  
I like it that way.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The L Word, episode 108: "Where's my stimulus package?"

[raunchydog]

Raunchydog's guilty pleasure: "My Name is Earl"
Earl (played by Barry) won a small lottery, and, after an epiphany, he
decides to right all the wrongs from his past. His dim-witted brother
Randy (played by Vaj) helps him cleanse his karma.

Barry: Vaj, we have a lot of work to do. I've trashed talked thousands
of TM'ers for years. Judy's name in on my list 99% of the time. Let's
start with her.

Vaj: Good idea. I almost thought of that myself.

Barry: Well remember the time I threatened to kill her and she called
the police?

Vaj: Yeah. That was fun.

Barry: No Vaj, it wasn't fun. We spent the night in jail and Dawn had
to bail us out.

Vaj: Yeah. She's pretty. I want to get in her pants.

Barry: Later. We have to stay focused.

Vaj: Yeah. O.K. But it will only take a minute.

Barry: Focus.

Vaj: O.K.  I know. Let's buy Dawn flowers.

Barry: No Vaj, we have to do something nice for Judy, besides I think
Dawn is packing.

Vaj: A gun?

Barry: You don't want to know.

Vaj: Guns are scary.

Barry: Vaj, it's not a gun. It's a dildo. It won't kill you, but trust
me, you don't want to get close to it.

Vaj: Dawn. Underpants. Dildo. Gun. Fun.

Barry: Focus.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj the devious and dishonest

[Vaj]

On Feb 19, 2009, at 3:13 AM, sparaig wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:


I'm sorry, I would have to stand by what I said.

Have you ever met a real yogi?

On Feb 18, 2009, at 7:30 PM, shukra69 wrote:


see Vaj's recent comments about Maharishi for the hypocrisy of his
crying "ad hominin" and "debate"




"Real Yogi"...? Is that like a "Real Christian" or a "Real  
Buddhist" or a

"Real Unitarian-Universalist"...?


No, an actual yogi, as in an practitioner and realizer of yoga- 
darshana as opposed to someone without any of the aforementioned, but  
nonetheless promotes him or herself as a "yogi".

[FairfieldLife] Re: Historians Rank the Presidents

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal 
wrote:
>
> On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 11:17 AM, do.rflex  wrote:
> >
> >
> > C-SPAN released the results of its second Historians Survey of
> > Presidential Leadership, in which 65 presidential historians ranked
> > the 42 former occupants of the White House.
> >
> > Key findings: Abraham Lincoln received top billing among the
> > historians, George Washington placed second, while spots three through
> > five were held by Franklin D. Roosevelt, Theodore Roosevelt, and Harry
> > Truman, in that order.
> 
> How interesting that the president who did the most to destroy the
> form of government our founding fathers gave us, a republic and did
> the most to destroy the Bill of Rights and the rest of the US
> Constitution was voted as their top president.   2nd in line for
> destroying our form of government (like packing the Supreme Court) and
> destroying the Constitution was their 5th choice.  Actually, GW Bush
> is way down as an also ran compared to Lincoln and FDR.  He just
> bumbled his way while Lincoln and FDR destroyed with well honed plans.


Of course the historians who did the survey were silly willies and
will be delighted when 'I am the eternal' corrects their sadly
misguided conclusions.

And when 'I am the eternal' notifies them with the good news, I'm sure
he'll be motivated by the same criteria they used:

---Methodology C-SPAN's academic advisors devised a survey in which
participants used a one ("not effective") to ten ("very effective")
scale to rate each president on ten qualities of presidential leadership: 

"Public Persuasion," 

"Crisis Leadership," 

"Economic Management," 

"Moral Authority," 

"International Relations,

" "Administrative Skills," 

"Relations with Congress," 

"Vision/Setting An Agenda," 

"Pursued Equal Justice for All," and 

"Performance Within the Context of His Times."

Surveys were distributed to 147 historians and other professional
observers of the presidency, drawn from a database of C-SPAN's
programming, augmented by suggestions from the academic advisors. 

Sixty-five agreed to participate. 

Participants were guaranteed that individual survey results remain
confidential. Survey responses were tabulated by averaging all
responses in a given category for each president. 

Each of the ten categories was given equal weighting in the total scores. 

http://www.c-span.org/Content/PDF/C-SPANpresidentialsurveyPR021509.pdf

[FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot

[dhamiltony2k5]

several-maharishi-
> > graduates-busted-for-growing-pot/
> > > 
> > > http://is.gd/jOCY
> > >
> > 
> > ***
> > 
> > I can't believe anybody is so out of it that they would start a 
>grow 
> > operation without being aware of utility co./cop cooperation in 
> > monitoring high electricity usage. Didn't these guys read one of 
>the 
> > weed magazines while boning up on how to grow? (bought at a 
>newstand 
> > with cash, not by subscription, of course: 
> > http://www.potsmokersnet.com/magazines/ ).
> > 
> > Even with the new harsher penalties, Canada is still the place 
>for 
> > grow ops, and with the larglely unpoliced border, anybody foolish 
> > enough to be in the drug biz faces much lighter penalties:
> > 
> > http://snipurl.com/c38mw  [www2_canada_com] 
> > 
> > They still might do OK if they only face state charges, since Cal 
>has 
> > to reduce its prison population by 1/3, 50,000 inmates, so they 
>won't 
> > do their full term. Federal charges? Fuhgeddaboutit...your ass 
>will 
> > do almost all the time.
> >
> 
> 
 They may have believed that "support of nature" would keep them out 
>of jail.
> 
> 
> L.
>


These are counter-revolutionairies that are nothing better than 
mobsters.  This simply should not be tolerated by any of us.  It is 
tedious to recount the horrors of their world in our society.  The 
addiction, the character depravity, their extortions, and yes the 
lawlessness, enslavement, the murder, and the orphaned. 

This kind of illegal drug cultural behavior of thinking they could 
and even should run a drug grow house is incipit pernicious mob rule 
that is a direct threat to all our American communal freedoms which 
we have fought for and won for so long and so hard.   Yield not to 
that of these mobster counter-revolutionaries.  They absolutely 
should not be tolerated. This is the price of all our liberty.  Stand 
firm fellow citizens.

Jai Guru Dev,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Astronaut in Bed with Big Oil?

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
wrote:
>
> Schmitt in bed with big oil...
> 
> Every pro-global warming scientist in bed with big government (from 
> whom they get their grants)...


Back up your claim, Magoo, with verifiable objective documentation.




> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > Don't be too surprised that former Apollo astronaut Harrison Schmitt
> > publicly denounced the entire scientific community around climate 
> science.
> > 
> > Schmitt provided Fox News another climate denier moment this week 
> when
> > he said, "I don't think the human effect [of climate change] is
> > significant compared to the natural effect." Schmitt is also 
> speaking
> > at a climate denier conference next month sponsored by none other 
> than
> > the notorious Heartland Institute.
> > 
> > Desmog Blog readers will recall the hilariously unethical stunt 
> pulled
> > by the Heartland Institute last year when they produced a list of 
> 500
> > scientists who apparently disputed climate change. The problem was
> > that most of these individuals no idea that their reputations were
> > being dragged through the mud by an astroturf group that has so far
> > received almost $800,000 from Exxon.
> > 
> > Enter Harrison Schmitt. Most media coverage of this story has rather
> > lazily reported Schmitt only as a former astronaut and one of the 
> last
> > people to walk on the moon. A lot has happened since 1972. It turns
> > out that Schmitt was the Chairman and President of the Annapolis
> > Center For Science-Based Public Policy between 1994 and 1998, and
> > remains "Chairman Emeritus".
> > 
> > This may be a lucrative gig given that the Annapolis Centre has
> > received more than $860,000 in funding from ExxonMobil since 1998. 
> But
> > what does money have to do with anything?
> > 
> > Schmitt has also been keeping some very dubious company.
> > 
> > Sallie Baliunas is listed as a member of the Science and Economic
> > Advisory Council of the Annapolis Center. She is described by
> > ExxonSecrets as a "darling of the anti-climate movement, Baliunas 
> has
> > been a central scientist in the fight against action on climate
> > change. She is used by virtually all of the Exxon-funded front 
> groups
> > as their scientific expert."
> > 
> > Baliunas is associated with a veritable constellation of
> > industry-funded groups opposing carbon regulation including: the
> > Heritage Foundation, the Competitive Enterprise Institute, the
> > American Petroleum Institute, and of course the Heartland Institute.
> > 
> > The Annapolis Center also honored none other that Senator James 
> Inhofe
> > for "his work in promoting science-based public policy" – a
> > distinction so absurd it almost deserves a laugh track.
> > 
> > Lastly, the Annapolis Center has also spent considerable effort
> > calling into question the well-known link between air pollution and
> > asthma, the impacts of mercury pollution, and the dangers of 
> pesticide
> > residue on food.
> > 
> > Why Schmitt has chosen to associate himself with such an 
> organization
> > since 1994 is of course for you to judge.
> > 
> > One thing is certain: the media coverage of his supposed revelation
> > around climate science seems now much more like a PR stunt in 
> advance
> > of the industry-funded denier conference.
> > 
> > If only the media had access to the Internet…
> > 
> > Links at:
> > http://www.desmogblog.com/former-astronaut-harrison-schmitt-big-oil-
> global-warming
> > 
> > http://snipurl.com/c54mm
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] 'Eloheim on What am I afraid of?'

[Robert]

The last three Eloheim meetings have focused on our relationship with fear.  
Eloheim has made it clear that a major step in the Spiritual Journey at this 
time is to learn that fears are “options not mandates.”
Recently a wonderful volunteer has come forward to transcribe some of the 
Eloheim materials.  This allows me to offer Eloheim quotes to supplement the 
videos I have already provided. A lot of your fears, and this means everybody, 
are fears about:
“I won’t be able to handle it. I won’t be able to handle it therefore it has to 
be bad. This is bad because I can’t handle it.” 

Where the reality that is being handed to you now is, “This too shall teach me. 
And I don’t know what I’m capable of handling until the moment arises because 
I’ve never been “challenged” this way at the vibrational level I’m currently 
occupying.” 

This is one of the key components of this discussion tonight. Please take this 
with you. You have not experienced your world from the vibrational level that 
you are currently occupying with the supporting vibration of the planet at the 
level the planet is currently occupying. You’ve never had to deal with life 
from this place, therefore any fear you have of not being able to handle it is 
actually negated by the reality of,

“I don’t know what I can handle. I have not been asked to handle this yet.” 

So you’re afraid of something because at a previous vibrational level and/or a 
past life you were not able to do it. .. you’re still carrying that 
reluctance,”I’m not capable, I’m not capable.” 

When the moment arises that you have to deal with something and you bring this 
high vibrational attention to it, with the insight of the Soul, conscious of 
the fears that you’re experiencing, all of a sudden they fall away. 

We saw this happen with Veronica when her cat went missing, she didn’t think 
she could handle it, she didn’t think she could do the things that she’s done 
in the process of looking for the cat, she found herself crawling around 
underneath the house, she thought,  “I never in a million years would have 
thought I would find myself underneath the house,” but there she was underneath 
the house. She literally sat there with a flashlight thinking, “I’m under a 
house! How can I be under a house? I should be afraid!” But she recognized, 
that uncomfortable, yes. Afraid no. Uncomfortable, yes; Not a preference; 
Wouldn’t do it again given the choice. 

But making the choice to get up and make a speech, or climb underneath the 
house with a flashlight or believe in your own human ability to believe in your 
own body’s connection to the truth; That’s what you’re being asked. 

That’s why we’re talking about this tonight. Because the fears are telling you, 
“you can’t” and the “you” they’re talking to is a previous version of you. 

And if you don’t get conscious of the fact that the “you” that fear is talking 
to isn’t who you are [now], it’ll be more challenging than it needs to be for 
you to deal with the things that come up. Understood?

So you are here saying, “I’m well, yet I fear being unwell,” but the reality is 
that the vibrational level that you’re able to maintain is the ‘well vibration’ 
and the fear of the old you somehow coming back and taking that away from you 
is just the body saying, “we’re really unsure of what’s going on here.” 

That’s where you reassure your body: We’re on the path; Let’s be conscious. And 
when the fear comes up you say,  “Yup, that’s the old fear, that’s the old me, 
the old me lived that way.  I don’t live that way anymore. How do I live? I 
live from insight, I live from consciousness and I live from awareness that 
fears are not controlling me, they’re simply advising me. And I can say yes or 
no to their advice.”
 
 
 If you would like to see video from this meeting, please follow this link: 
http://eloheim.wordpress.com/2009/02/01/eloheim-transforming-fear-1-28-09/
Eloheim did mini sessions with everyone in the room.  They asked, “What are you 
afraid of?”

http://eloheim.wordpress.com/2009/02/17/eloheim-transcript-what-are-you-afraid-of/


  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot

[dhamiltony2k5]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Smith"  
wrote:
>
> >
 It's not possible to transcend while stoned on pot because as any pot
> head will tell you, there's this constant flow or stream of
> consciousness-thoughts while stoned, the opposite of settled
> awareness. The whole cycle of settling down, having a thought, feeling
> the mantra on a subtle level, settling down, etc. can't be achieved
> while stuck in an astral-thought kaleidoscope. Being stoned is the
> antithesis of quiet mind-transcendental consciousness.
>

I hear you, brother Joe Smith.  Like, say you are running one of these 
TM-movement capitals now and a pot-head comes in along with $2,500 cash 
in hand wanting to start meditation.   Like why even bother?  What a 
waste of time & if the person was taught and had no experience, they'd 
proly think they knew everything about it, stop meditating and have 
missed their chance.

JGD, -Doug

[FairfieldLife] Repost: Maharishi's interview on Finnish TV 1973

[cardemaister]

http://www.yle.fi/player/player.jsp?name=El%E4v%E4+arkisto%2F01081_1

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot

[I am the eternal]

On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 2:04 AM, sparaig  wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>>
>> The kids arrested included the sons of Fairfield's meditating mayor and
>> Board of Education member:
>> http://www.insidebayarea.com/california/ci_11685597
>>
>
> When I was on my Siddhis course, several of the high school students
> were thrown off the course because they had been discovered to have
> smoked pot within 6 months of the course.
>
> That included the son and daughter of two different MIU professors.
>
>
> The kids were upset, but they said their parents just rolled their eyes  at 
> the whole
> thing and didn't say much about it.
>
> As my walk'n'talk partner commented: they're enlightened kids but still kids.
>

Enlightened kids my ass.  Spoiled brats.  I remember the kids who had
Ru parents.  The children would scream and throw tantrums.  Couldn't
quiet them down or teach them to be quiet because that would destroy
their little hearts.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj the devious and dishonest

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
 wrote:
>
> > "...because deep down they know i'm right..."- Vaj
> 
> that's some serious delusion going on. this guy has now had 
> no less than 12 posters call him directly on his BS, and 
> this is what he comes back with- the adult equivalent of a 
> child insisting that the whole world is wrong, and he alone 
> is right (and holds the unvarnished truth).

While I -- similar to Protestants in Salem, 
MA -- do not suffer claims of "unvarnished
truth" to live :-), I think that the "count
the number of posters dumping on Vaj" game
calls for another game.

How many posters here believe that the person
saying the above is, in fact, our own beloved
delusional Jim Flangin, he who once posedethed
as sandiego108, and who now poseth as (ath?)
enlightened_dawn11?

If there be more than 12, doth that make Vaj
the "winner?"  

Doth it make Jimbo's entire post (poth?) an
exercise in projection? 

For example, *who* has it been, historically,
who has taken the stance here on FFL that "the 
whole world is wrong, and I am right?" See how 
funny this game could be?

I knoweth not the answers (answereths?) to 
this medieval "How many assholes can pretend
to be angels dancing on their own pinheads?"
koan, but suggesteth merely that a re-read
of this post as if the poster were really
talking about *himself* would be an 
entertaining exercise in humor.
 
> i think Vaj was hoping that he could be our resident and 
> pet Dalai Lama, dispensing wisdom, and clearing the haze 
> of ignorance from our eyes.

See what I mean? Jimbo disappears, reappearing
as sandiego108, from whose lofty perch he con-
tinues to dispense his brand of wisdom on the
undeserving, ignorant masses of Fairfield Life.

Enter laughter, so much laughter that sandiego108
runs away with his tail tucked between his legs,
just as Jim Flanegin did, foiled in his second 
attempt to become the resident "dispenser of wisdom," 
and "clearer of haze."

Next, enter Dawn, proclaiming, "I'm new here," and
*in "her" first post*, making claims of knowledge
about future events that no one here could have
possibly known, and that no one (probably because
of their haze of ignorance) suspected -- that Obama
would win the election. Surely no one other than
an enlightened being could have foreseen that. :-)

Follow with more pontifications from on high, never
with any "backup" from any other source (unlike Vaj),
only the "pronouncements" of the person presumably
speaking from the "completion of enlightenment."

See what I mean about "entertaining?" Whether my
"count the numbers" game has any more validity than
Dawn's, you've got to admit that looking at this 
stuff from the point of view of *projection* is far
more entertaining that just looking at the surface
words, right?

> now that he has backed himself into a very small and cramped 
> corner, there is nothing for him left to do, except vainly 
> and pathetically proclaim us all to be insensitive liars in 
> great denial of the truths that only Vaj perceives (with an 
> adhominem attack thrown in for good measure). 

Says the person writing the ad hominem attack, 
declaring Vaj to be an insensitive liar, and doing
so from the small, cramped corner he has backed 
himself into by being afraid to post as who he
really is.

Now I ask you -- still part of this exercise in
entertainment, mind you, not as a declaration of 
any kind of "truth" -- which is FUNNIER? Vaj 
doing what Dawn says above, while dressed in men's
clothes and having used the same ID during his 
whole time here, or someone so ashamed of their
past that they have to "dress as" a woman and 
pretend to be one before they can even summon up
the balls (which would play hell with the cut of
her slinky dresses and be positively pornographic
in a mini-skirt) to post at all?

I suggest that the latter image is FUNNIER. Whether
it's true or not I leave to the readers.

> sounds like every other false teacher i have heard. eventually 
> their fall from grace becomes everyone else's fault.

Again, how does this paragraph read when posted by
someone who consistently refuses to take responsi-
bility not only for anything he says, but even for
WHO HE IS? How does it read when written by someone
whose entire "career" at Fairfield Life has been an
exercise in making everything "someone else's fault?"
How does it read when said by someone who has NEVER
admitted that any of his faux pas and stupid factual
errors were errors, and that all of them were someone
else's fault for not being evolved enough to under-
stand them?

So that's my little game, proposed in response to
Dawn's. I think it's not only as valid as Dawn's
"Let's count the number of people dumping on Vaj"
game, but FAR more entertaining. I think that my
game is far more entertaining even than Judy's
recent, "I've shown my good faith by dumping on
Nabby; now it's your turn to reward me by dumping
on Barry" game. :-)

And remember...this is just a game. A fiction

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama on emptiness

[Richard M]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
>
> Dalai Lama Quote of the Week
> 
> 
> How does an emptiness appear to a mind when it ascertains an 
> emptiness?
> 
> If one has a mistaken view of an emptiness, equating it with a 
> vacuity which is a nothingness, this is not the ascertainment of an 
> emptiness. Or, even if one has developed a proper understanding of 
an 
> emptiness as merely a lack of inherent existence, still, when the 
> vacuity which is a lack of inherent existence appears, one may 
> subsequently lose sight of the original understanding. This vacuity 
> then becomes a mere nothingness with the original understanding of 
> the negation of inherent existence being lost completely. Therefore, 
> this is not the ascertainment of an emptiness either. Also, even if 
> the meaning of an emptiness has been ascertained, but the 
> thought, 'This is an emptiness,' appears, then one is apprehending 
> the existence of an emptiness which is a positive thing. Therefore, 
> that consciousness then becomes a conventional valid cogniser and 
not 
> the ascertainment of an emptiness. The Condensed Perfection of 
Wisdom 
> Sutra says, 'Even if a Bodhisattva realises, "These aggregates are 
> empty," he is acting on signs of conventionalities and does not have 
> faith in the state of non-production.'
> 
> Further, 'an emptiness' is a negative [an absence] which must be 
> ascertained through the mere elimination of the object of negation, 
> that is, inherent existence. Negatives are of two types: affirming 
> negatives in which some other positive phenomenon is implied in 
place 
> of the object of negation, and non-affirming negatives in which no 
> other positive phenomenon is implied in place of the object of 
> negation. An emptiness is an instance of the latter; therefore, a 
> consciousness cognising an emptiness necessarily ascertains the mere 
> negative or absence of the object of negation. What appears to the 
> mind is a clear vacuity accompanied by the mere thought, 'These 
> concrete things as they now appear to our minds do not exist at 
all.' 
> The mere lack of inherent existence or mere truthlessness which is 
> the referent object of this consciousness is an emptiness; 
therefore, 
> such a mind ascertains an emptiness.
> 
> --from The Buddhism of Tibet by the Dalai Lama, translated and 
edited 
> by Jeffrey Hopkins, published by Snow Lion Publications
>

Thanks for posting this.

Though I find Marek's more worldly example of bagels works better for 
my level of spiritual development and concentration span.

"In my funky example of the bagel's hole, it (self) is defined by what 
surrounds it but is in itself without attributes."

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj the devious and dishonest

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> I'm sorry, I would have to stand by what I said.
> 
> Have you ever met a real yogi?
> 
> On Feb 18, 2009, at 7:30 PM, shukra69 wrote:
> 
> > see Vaj's recent comments about Maharishi for the hypocrisy of his
> > crying "ad hominin" and "debate"
>

"Real Yogi"...? Is that like a "Real Christian" or a "Real Buddhist" or a
"Real Unitarian-Universalist"...?


L

[FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal  wrote:
>
> On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Joe Smith  wrote:
> > It's not possible to transcend while stoned on pot because as any pot
> > head will tell you, there's this constant flow or stream of
> > consciousness-thoughts while stoned, the opposite of settled
> > awareness. The whole cycle of settling down, having a thought, feeling
> > the mantra on a subtle level, settling down, etc. can't be achieved
> > while stuck in an astral-thought kaleidoscope. Being stoned is the
> > antithesis of quiet mind-transcendental consciousness.
> 
> Hmm.  That's interesting.  When the guys passed around the joints in
> my sophomore year in college I gave it a try.  I got very, very
> concerned that I could not hold a thought.  I would be thinking then
> I'd be gone for God knows how long.  I'd come back, desperately try to
> have and hold on to another thought.  I was sort of like Sisyphus.
>

I got sicker'n a dog. Turned out my one official pot try was of Tai stick, laced
with opium.

And I'm goofy enough naturally that I don't need such stuff. At parties,
everyone always wanted to know what drugs I was doing.

L

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