Re: [gentoo-user] 2.6.0-test2 results
Lewis Cawthorne wrote: heya all, new guy here... anyone know what happened to the davicom drivers in the 2.5.75 and 2.6-0-test2 kernels? I ran across this same issue. Its under the Tulip sub-category in the Network Cards section -- Andrew Gaffney -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: 2.4.19 headers?
Adam Mercer wrote: No, you should be using the headers from the kernel that glibc was built against not the kernel you have installed. Where does glibc find the kernel headers when it is emerged? Does the ebuild carry it's own headers? Or does it depend on a kernel header ebuild which is emerged automatically if not present? mg -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 2.4.19 headers?
On Saturday 02 August 2003 22:58, Adam Mercer wrote: On Sat, Aug 02, 2003 at 03:34:38PM -0500, Kurt V. Hindenburg wrote: Why is gentoo still using the headers from 2.4.19??? Shouldn't we be using the headers of the kernel we have installed?? No, you should be using the headers from the kernel that glibc was built against not the kernel you have installed. People keep saying this, but on my machine I built glibc from stage1 install and have only every used 2.4.20 - does the glibc ebuild for some reason use headers within the glibc package rather than those installed? -- Tom Wesley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 2.4.19 headers?
On Sun, 3 Aug 2003, Tom Wesley wrote: On Saturday 02 August 2003 22:58, Adam Mercer wrote: On Sat, Aug 02, 2003 at 03:34:38PM -0500, Kurt V. Hindenburg wrote: Why is gentoo still using the headers from 2.4.19??? Shouldn't we be using the headers of the kernel we have installed?? No, you should be using the headers from the kernel that glibc was built against not the kernel you have installed. People keep saying this, but on my machine I built glibc from stage1 install and have only every used 2.4.20 - does the glibc ebuild for some reason use headers within the glibc package rather than those installed? Could one hope that someone who understand this stuff would really explain it? Yes, I know about Linus's mail about it, but it helps only those who already know more than half of it. And what does the expression the headers from the kernel that glibc was built against means? a) The headers that were present when glibc was compiled (regardless of what kernel was used to compile it and what kernel one is using now)? b) The headers corresponding to the kernel that was active when glibc was compiled? c) Something else? I guess the answer is a), because I upgraded glibc with kernel 2.4.21 and the headers are from 2.4.19, and I can't upgrade kernel-headers. Still, guessing is not knowing. Enlightement about this would be usefull to several generations of linuxers, and it would help to kill the bad zombie Linus talks about...:) -- Jorge Almeida -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Clarifying meaning of x86 and ~x86
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 19:02:39 +0200 Thorsten Kampe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, I've never seen -x86 seen either. And since Gentoo is x86-optimized, you probably never will. But maybe you'll see -ppc sometime Where can I read about that? http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=33534 -- Linux inside NP: nothing -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 2.6.0-test2 results
Hello, I also tried 2.6.0-test2. 1) Here the matroxfb does not switch to the correct resolution. It remails at [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Documentation doesn't say that anything has changed. 2) The bubblemon WindomMaker dockapp often crashes with a floating point exeption. Except of this it works fine. Michael Collins Richey wrote: 2.6.0-test2 is 100% stable on my desktop system (ext3). I note two little extras: 1) bash filename completion no longer beeps when there are duplicates. If you hit tab again, you still get the duplicates list as before. Don't know what is causing this - probably something else they've changed in the kernel config. 2) One of the many free gratis configuration changes that the good kernel folks threw my way is ACPI. It works like a champ, but it tooks some digging to find where it is enabled. The major category (power management, or whatever category they call it) gives no indication that power management has been enabled, but if you drill down to the ACPI section, there it is. Needless to say, this was not in the 2.4.x kernel config that I used for the original make oldconfig! Also, AFAIK, there is no support yet for nvidia cards. I'm using the nv support built into xfree. Since I'm not a gamester, that's no big deal. -- panic(Oh boy, that early out of memory?); 2.2.16 /usr/src/linux/arch/mips/mm/init.c -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] emerge -uDp world
Why does portage want to emerge package which I do not have installed when I do a emerge -uDp world. I tought that the -u switch only would search for installed ebuilds. emerge -Dup world These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating world dependencies ...done! [ebuild N] dev-util/indent-2.2.9 [ebuild N] net-libs/linc-1.0.3 [ebuild N] gnome-base/ORBit2-2.6.3 [ebuild N] gnome-base/gconf-2.2.1 [ebuild N] gnome-base/bonobo-activation-2.2.3 [ebuild N] gnome-base/libbonobo-2.2.3 [ebuild N] gnome-base/libgnomecanvas-2.2.1 [ebuild N] dev-libs/libxslt-1.0.31 [ebuild N] gnome-base/gnome-mime-data-2.2.1 [ebuild N] net-nds/portmap-5b-r7 [ebuild N] app-admin/fam-oss-2.6.10-r1 [ebuild N] gnome-base/gnome-vfs-2.2.5 [ebuild N] gnome-base/libgnome-2.2.3 [ebuild N] gnome-base/libbonoboui-2.2.3 [ebuild N] gnome-base/libgnomeui-2.2.2 [ebuild N] media-sound/grip-3.1.1-r1 [ebuild N] x11-themes/gnome-icon-theme-1.0.6 [ebuild N] x11-themes/gtk-engines-2.2.0 [ebuild N] x11-themes/gnome-themes-2.2.2-r1 [ebuild N] dev-db/mysql-4.0.14 [ebuild U ] dev-perl/Storable-2.07-r1 [2.07] [ebuild N] x11-misc/commonbox-utils-0.4 [ebuild N] x11-themes/commonbox-styles-0.6 [ebuild N] x11-wm/blackbox-0.65.0-r1 [ebuild U ] x11-libs/qt-3.1.2-r4 [3.1.2-r3] [ebuild U ] sys-apps/coreutils-5.0-r1 [5.0] [ebuild N] net-mail/pine-4.56 [ebuild N] net-p2p/dctc-0.85.4 Thanks! -- Don't take life to seriously, You'll never get out alive Tobias Olsson e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq#: 4178528 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: etc-update and fstab...
* Steven Elling (2003-08-03 07:03 +0200) On Saturday 02 August 2003 15:23, Stephane Brossier wrote: I emerge some ebuilds yesterday, and then i got a warning that I should run etc-update to merge some files. I used the -5 option which automaticall merge the files, and it seems it deleted some of my config files such as /etc/fstab. One of my questions about etc-update and portage is, why etc-update / portage even consider critical files like /etc/fstab for a update? It seems to me that files like this should never be considered for upgrades because they are static in nature, only need to be set up once, and if changes do need to be made it is because the admin of the box has changed the hardware configuration. This is in fact the point it is all about. There is no sense in updating fstab or /etc/passwd so these types of files should be always omitted. Another possibility would be to have etc-update issue a red warning when used with -5. Just another point: is the -5 useful at all? I mean, has anyone used that in a senseful way? If you really want to overwrite, you could have done 'CONFIG_PROTECT=-* emerge -u whatever', right? By the way: I never use etc-update. If I didn't configure the service, I just overwrite the config file, otherwise I do it manually. Thorsten -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: etc-update and fstab...
begin quote On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 12:50:42 +0200 Thorsten Kampe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is in fact the point it is all about. There is no sense in updating fstab or /etc/passwd so these types of files should be always omitted. Another possibility would be to have etc-update issue a red warning when used with -5. thats the point of being root. It allows you to do stupid things without getting in your way. But, I digress. passwd should be updated, at least until we get a very solid account management scheme with UID:name assignations to add, since, there is a point in sometimes updating system services ( forking out more basic stuff to users other than root for example) The fact that people use tools with sharp edges in a careless manner is unfortunate, but I'm not a believer in putting warningsigns on chainsaws as : Do not stop the rotating chain with your hands , neither am I a fan of are you truly sure you want to do this? dialogs, as they inspire careless use of tools by accustoming people to never read warnings. For a reason to upgrade fstab globally? perhaps changing defaults for some subentries? add recommendations for other mountpoints? or add supermount/automount support ? I can imagine a lot of reasons. I can also imagine a lot of reasons why a user should be careful when they see passwd fstab shadow and other files on the list to be updated. automation is an option. in this case, using -5 in etc-update is equal to doing rm -fr on files. its possible, but custom says you don't do that as root. //Spider -- begin .signature This is a .signature virus! Please copy me into your .signature! See Microsoft KB Article Q265230 for more information. end pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] 2.4.19 headers?
begin quote On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 10:59:41 +0100 (WEST) those who already know more than half of it. And what does the expression the headers from the kernel that glibc was built against It means that glibc needs a -static- set of headers that -do not change- in the life of glibc. They live a life outside the kernels, and nothing that uses a kernel should care about it. Some network tools care for them to get ICMP codes and so on, and that is all well and good. the headers may become updated when theres a major update of glibc. If you decide that latest is greatest go, hack up your headers. Then go recursively rebuild glibc and everything that you find breaking. But remember. You are root. Root is alone. //Spider. -- begin .signature This is a .signature virus! Please copy me into your .signature! See Microsoft KB Article Q265230 for more information. end pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] postfix meta-x.de ???
begin quote On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 03:56:31 +0200 Kees Bergwerf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do I receive email from that program? My messages is received here in the mailing list! I have received it myself. So I don't understand why this postfix program is sending email to ME??? I did not send something to it :-( Because somone has their /var full. its a response to you, because you sent the message that caused it. Please can somebody do something about it We have. Thats why you get the error and it doesn't go to the list, where it will cause a reply from the mail-server, which will cause a reply from the mailserver which will cause a reply from the mailserver. Recursion, n see recursion //Spider -- begin .signature This is a .signature virus! Please copy me into your .signature! See Microsoft KB Article Q265230 for more information. end pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] 2.4.19 headers?
On Sun, 3 Aug 2003, Spider wrote: begin quote On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 10:59:41 +0100 (WEST) those who already know more than half of it. And what does the expression the headers from the kernel that glibc was built against It means that glibc needs a -static- set of headers that -do not change- in the life of glibc. They live a life outside the kernels, and nothing that uses a kernel should care about it. Some network tools care for them to get ICMP codes and so on, and that is all well and good. the headers may become updated when theres a major update of glibc. If you decide that latest is greatest go, hack up your headers. Then go recursively rebuild glibc and everything that you find breaking. I wouldn't dream of doing that! So, a) is the answer to my question. Right? -- Jorge Almeida -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-sources
On Saturday 02 August 2003 07:36 pm, Heschi Kreinick wrote: Does anyone know when the gento-sources 2.4.21 will come out? When it's ready. In the meantime you can use pfeifer-sources, which is the development branch for gentoo-sources. -Heschi -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list Personal I think we should not persue a 2.4.21 kernel, but should be working on a 2.6 kernel so that it will be ready when it reach release status. Since we are progressing so slowly on 2.4.21 I think resources would be better spent on 2.6. -- Yours, Ralph. It said Use Windows XP or better, so I installed Gentoo Linux 1.4 Register Linux User 168814 ICQ #49993234 AIM ralphdewitt jabber.org ralphdewitt GPG Public Key available at hkp://blackhole.pca.dfn.de Key id = 0DE2 085D Kernel version 2.4.20-gentoo-r2 Current Linux uptime: 4 days 2 hours 53 minutes. pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -uDp world
Hi! Why does portage want to emerge package which I do not have installed when I do a emerge -uDp world. I tought that the -u switch only would search for installed ebuilds. Well if an updated package has a new dependency then it will be emerged. emerge -Dup world These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating world dependencies ...done! [ebuild N] dev-util/indent-2.2.9 [ebuild N] net-libs/linc-1.0.3 [ebuild N] gnome-base/ORBit2-2.6.3 [ebuild N] gnome-base/gconf-2.2.1 [ebuild N] gnome-base/bonobo-activation-2.2.3 [ebuild N] gnome-base/libbonobo-2.2.3 [ebuild N] gnome-base/libgnomecanvas-2.2.1 [ebuild N] dev-libs/libxslt-1.0.31 [ebuild N] gnome-base/gnome-mime-data-2.2.1 [ebuild N] net-nds/portmap-5b-r7 [ebuild N] app-admin/fam-oss-2.6.10-r1 [ebuild N] gnome-base/gnome-vfs-2.2.5 [ebuild N] gnome-base/libgnome-2.2.3 [ebuild N] gnome-base/libbonoboui-2.2.3 [ebuild N] gnome-base/libgnomeui-2.2.2 [ebuild N] media-sound/grip-3.1.1-r1 [ebuild N] x11-themes/gnome-icon-theme-1.0.6 [ebuild N] x11-themes/gtk-engines-2.2.0 [ebuild N] x11-themes/gnome-themes-2.2.2-r1 [ebuild N] dev-db/mysql-4.0.14 [ebuild U ] dev-perl/Storable-2.07-r1 [2.07] [ebuild N] x11-misc/commonbox-utils-0.4 [ebuild N] x11-themes/commonbox-styles-0.6 [ebuild N] x11-wm/blackbox-0.65.0-r1 [ebuild U ] x11-libs/qt-3.1.2-r4 [3.1.2-r3] [ebuild U ] sys-apps/coreutils-5.0-r1 [5.0] [ebuild N] net-mail/pine-4.56 [ebuild N] net-p2p/dctc-0.85.4 Thanks! Better do emerge -Dupv world so that you can see the USE flags. Cheers, Renat -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] pppoe configuration
Hi! I am kind of new to gentoo but I had all versions of linux installed on my box since I first came in touch with linux about 2 years ago. One problem about linux allways seemed to be the support of certain hardware and if there is an appropriate driver available for the hardware the configuration involves so many steps and such a deep knowledge of the low-level tools and config-files that the mortal pc-user will simply give up and turn away from it in disgust in favour of the instable, proprietary microsoft Windows versions. Well this is slowly changing but I assume that linux will never be as simple to configure as windows but it turn in will never be as instable as windows. now back to the subject of my email. When installing gentoo I could setup the adsl-connection (provider is the german telecom) on the installation-environment (The one which is only temporary and only exists in the core) without the slightest hassle. I just set up the whole thing with rp-pppoe (root# adsl-setup) and triggered off the internet connection with root# adsl-start . everything worked fine and I chrooted to my real gentoo environment and proceeded with downloading and installing software. After kernel-compilation (I made sure all internet-related protocols and the ethernet-driver sis900.o were selected) I rebooted but could not get the internet going. while booting, the kernel told me that it could not bring up the eth0 (my ethernet card).Then I thought, maybe there is something special about the gentoo kernel and tried the following: I just started from CD again and copied the kernel config file of the CD-Version to my own kernel with: root# cat /proc/config /usr/src/linux/.config I then changed a few values regarding the filesystems and soundsupport etc. and recompiled the kernel! Everything seemed fine I didn't get any error messages on startup like couldn't bring up Eth0 again but again I couldn't trigger off any internetconnection. after trying adsl-start there allways comes TIME OUT ... . I tried various things from re-configuration of rp-pppoe to reinstalling software and recompiling the Kernel-values. Nothing seems to help. The funny thing is it is possible for me to bootup the installation-Cd and chroot from there to my real gentoo environment without setting up the pppoe on the cd-environment and then do root # env-update and root # source /etc/profile etc. and start internetconnection right away from the chroot-environment. Doesn't that say that there is nothing wrong with the configuration of my real gentoo-environment but rather with the kernel? I would be very, very greatful if someone helped me out of this situation since I am really stuck here! Even now that I am writing this email, I have booted from cd and then chrooted into this here, rather than booting from my own kernel. By the way, while running root# ifconfig -a (when booted from the real kernel) eth0 is up and running. ppp0 isn't there! Is there anyone outthere able to help me out? please write any reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks in advance, momesana. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] pppoe configuration
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: now back to the subject of my email. When installing gentoo I could setup the adsl-connection (provider is the german telecom) on the installation-environment (The one which is only temporary and only exists in the core) without the slightest hassle. I just set up the whole thing with rp-pppoe (root# adsl-setup) and triggered off the internet connection with root# adsl-start . everything worked fine and I chrooted to my real gentoo environment and proceeded with downloading and installing software. After kernel-compilation (I made sure all internet-related protocols and the ethernet-driver sis900.o were selected) I rebooted but could not get the internet going. while booting, the kernel told me that it could not bring up the eth0 (my ethernet card).Then I thought, maybe there is something special about the gentoo kernel and tried the following: I just started from CD again and copied the kernel config file of the CD-Version to my own kernel with: root# cat /proc/config /usr/src/linux/.config I then changed a few values regarding the filesystems and soundsupport etc. and recompiled the kernel! Everything seemed fine I didn't get any error messages on startup like couldn't bring up Eth0 again but again I couldn't trigger off any internetconnection. after trying adsl-start there allways comes TIME OUT ... . I tried various things from re-configuration of rp-pppoe to reinstalling software and recompiling the Kernel-values. Nothing seems to help. The funny thing is it is possible for me to bootup the installation-Cd and chroot from there to my real gentoo environment without setting up the pppoe on the cd-environment Ok, first off, did you follow the steps in the Install Guide to setup your LAN IP? Set it to something like 192.168.0.1. Second, make sure you enable *ALL* PPP related options in the kernel, including the ones that say something about serial line. I had this same issue. -- Andrew Gaffney -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Virtual mail howto unable to get phpmyadmin working
-- quoting Jim Bailey -- I have tried using the exact syntax used in the Code listing 8.3: Configuring phpMyAdmin down to using '$password' exactly and adding the correct mysql password in clear text inplace of the above.[1] You have to enter the exact pwd in clear text into /etc/phpmyadmin/config.inc.php ($cfg['Servers'][$i]['controlpass'], and maybe $cfg['Servers'][$i]['password'] as well), did you tried that? I can say, this howto is somewhat outdated, but I managed to bring such a virtual mail system to work with this doc some weeks ago, so I know it's doable... :) Feel free to ask again, if you need more info! Greetings, Matthias -- Matthias F. Brandstetter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] now playing HOUSEMUSIQUE - Deep Underground House Grooves from NETMUSIQUE -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-sources
On 2003.08.03 08:47, Ralph F. De Witt wrote: Personal I think we should not persue a 2.4.21 kernel, but should be working on a 2.6 kernel so that it will be ready when it reach release status. Since we are progressing so slowly on 2.4.21 I think resources would be better spent on 2.6. I don't think this is the greatest idea, but its not terribly bad. It would be best to get gentoo-sources at 2.4.21 (or 2.4.22, whatever), and keep it at 2.4. Automagically changing the generation of one's kernel on their system (with a -u world) is a rather bad idea for several reasons: 1. It is a major change. Alot of things either do not work (having alot of trouble with radeonfb, myself), or work very differently (lm_sensors). Users will be upset if this change is not blatantly obvious to them. They might as well switch to using the HURD and getting everything working the same :) 2. Some changes should not be automatic. There are still people using gcc 2.x. Should there be a 2.6 kernel, it should definately be labelled under a different name from gentoo-sources, not merely a version change. I could see portage bringing in gentoo-sources-2.6.0 and people would jump and point wow, lookie that bg change, and do a `make oldconfig` on a .config from a previous generation of kernel. 3. There already are 2.6 kernels in the tree (im sure you know this though :), they just havent been renamed from development-sources to whatever the new name would be. There isnt a whole lot of reason to maintain an alternate patchset as the kernel has alot of cool things in the kernel source itself now (preempt, etc). Should you wish for 'bleeding-edge' patches on the new series, try mm-sources, which is updated every three days or so with updates. Now, dispite my claims above, I use 2.6 (and went through hell to get it to work on my laptop). I find the power management is alot better than with 2.4. I've been using 2.5 kernels for a few months on my desktop with varying success (do not even have a backup 2.4 to fall back to, my backup kernel is also dev-sources). I had to go through a bit of trouble to get my synaptics touchpad working. It wasnt hard, it was just different than with 2.4 -- it threw it into a ps/2 compat mode, which i thought was how the device normally worked, wheras I had to change it to use a different mouse driver and protocol. Getting pcmcia working also was not hard, just different. There is also little documentation for 2.5/2.6_test kernels online in this area: google returns hundreds of lkml and lkml-archived posts about xyz not working. Eventually I got my wireless card working, but not everyone has an hour or two to spend getting a brand new kernel to work properly, and i'm willing to bet that people will say i want the new kernel, but only if i can have it work _exactly_ like the old one As I said, framebuffer, at least for me, refuses to work no matter how hard I try, wheras with 2.4 it worked with so little effort it was eerie. This, I think, is due to the fact that the radeonfb is being worked on (was forked) again, and something broke compatability with either my 7500 mobility, or the flat panel on the laptop. I agree that having 2.6 in gentoo is a great idea, but look at how long it took to switch from having gcc 2.x to having gentoo install gcc 3.2 as the new default compiler. 3.0 and 3.1 were around for people to use, but switching users cold-turkey was avoided. At this stage, anybody wanting to use 2.6 knows it is in portage. It said Use Windows XP or better, so I installed Gentoo Linux 1.4 This is, indeed, the funniest thing I have ever heard in my life, and I am actually writing it down on a post-it so I will never forget it. :) -Chris I pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Where does ./configure scripts find libs and headers
-- quoting Andy -- Where does ./configure script of application find headers and libs. And how can I change this paths? I think you have to give more information -- what application you want to compile, what headers and libs are needed and so on. Some ./configure scripts are able to use config options, like ./configure --with-headers=/path/to/headers. Try ./configure --help or if this doesn't give any useful info, look into the configure script itself. Sometimes, the vendors/programmers homepages do have some useful info on that as well. Or maybe there is an README or INSTALL file in the source directory? Greetings, Matthias -- Matthias F. Brandstetter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] now playing HOUSEMUSIQUE - Deep Underground House Grooves from NETMUSIQUE -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] window focus in fluxbox
I have fluxbox as my WM. When I'm using Mozilla, if I switch windows by using Mozilla's 'Window' menu, the new one comes to the front, but the old one still has focus in the background until I click in the new one. Is there a way to have focus transferred to the new window when it comes to the front? -- Andrew Gaffney -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: etc-update and fstab...
On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 14:33:58 +1200, in gmane.linux.gentoo.user, David Friggens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...etc-update...] This is IMO the most very frustrating part of the way Gentoo works. 50*ACK :- [..] I've always found it more than satisfactory. etc-update automatically merges any trivial changes and then I use the interactive merge option (3, I think) to make sure my settings don't get overridden. How do I recognize trivial changes? Only upt to 3 lines affected? Then there are no trivial changes;-) [..] (*) Select the number of the file The selection list is very often too long to fit on a screen; the beginning of the list is rolled off the screen - not very clean. (*) Select 3) Interactively merge original with update (*) Update diff-by-diff how you like Admittedly this bit is the most unintuitive at first as it doesn't tell you what the options are. But if you type ? it gives you the list: ed: Edit then use both versions, each decorated with a header. eb: Edit then use both versions. el: Edit then use the left version. er: Edit then use the right version. e: Edit a new version. l: Use the left version. r: Use the right version. s: Silently include common lines. v: Verbosely include common lines. q: Quit. Usually a mix of r and l is all that's needed. Quite often I get confused which side is old (left?) and new, respectively. Also I lose track of the logical context, so I would have to trust the mechanics of sdiff _blindly_ - well, I don't! I copy the ._cfg-file to config.new and edit that manually (I re-inject my modifications). BTW, I don't understand the options beginning with 'e' (edit [then...]). Maybe it would be easier safer with vim-diff (seeing everything in context), but I would have to learn vim in the first place :-) Best regards, -Heribert -- Heribert Slama Muttenz, Switzerland -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Enabeling hyperthreading
Hello, I've got a Pentium4 mPGA478 and I'd like to enable hyperthreading. The output of dmesg tells me, that hyperthreading is disabled and smp motherboard not found. My motherboard is a Fujitsu-Siemens D1527 with hyperthreading support. According to /proc/cpuinfo the cpu should also support hyperthreading(the ht flag is set). What do I have to do to enable hyperthreading? Thanks Michael -- /* Binary compatibility is good American knowhow fuckin' up. */ 2.2.16 /usr/src/linux/arch/sparc/kernel/sunos_ioctl.c -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] How to unmerge gnome?
Hi As an open minded KDE user, I take a look at gnome from time to time. But now I'm running out of disk space, so I decided to remove gnome. After trying emerge -C gnome and seeing still a lot of gnome-base packages installed I unmerged these by hand by emerge -C packagename. But now a emerge -Dup world wants to bring all of them back. So I guess there are one or two packages that needs some of the gnome-base packages, causing emerge to try to install the whole desktop environment again. How do I find out which packages these are: Is there a possibilty to search for search for unfullfilled dependencies in emerge? I've looked at the documentation at gentoo.org and the man pages but found nothing. Any help? Frank -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How to unmerge gnome?
Frank, I *think* that qpkg program from gentoolkit (emerge gentoolkit) will show you deps... I could be wrong, but something in that toolkit did it. Best, -Riyad Frank Hellmuth wrote: Hi As an open minded KDE user, I take a look at gnome from time to time. But now I'm running out of disk space, so I decided to remove gnome. After trying emerge -C gnome and seeing still a lot of gnome-base packages installed I unmerged these by hand by emerge -C packagename. But now a emerge -Dup world wants to bring all of them back. So I guess there are one or two packages that needs some of the gnome-base packages, causing emerge to try to install the whole desktop environment again. How do I find out which packages these are: Is there a possibilty to search for search for unfullfilled dependencies in emerge? I've looked at the documentation at gentoo.org and the man pages but found nothing. Any help? Frank -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: etc-update and fstab...
On Sun, 2003-08-03 at 09:27, Heribert Slama wrote: This is IMO the most very frustrating part of the way Gentoo works. 50*ACK :- Glad to know I'm not alone. ;-) How do I recognize trivial changes? Only upt to 3 lines affected? Then there are no trivial changes;-) There aren't any trivial changes! If a 1-line change can bring your machine down, then EVERY single line must be chacked with the greatest of care. Quite often I get confused which side is old (left?) and new, respectively. My problem too! I hate to take up bandwidth offering nothing new, but hopefully the gods will be reading this and understanding that some/many/most of us have great concerns about this set of tools. Cheers, Mark -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How to unmerge gnome?
Am Sonntag, 3. August 2003 19:11 schrieb Riyad Kalla: Frank, I *think* that qpkg program from gentoolkit (emerge gentoolkit) will show you deps... I could be wrong, but something in that toolkit did it. Thanks Ryiad for your quick reply! qpkg gnome -q -U what was I'm looking for (hopefully :) Frank -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 2.6.0-test2 results
Tried 2.6.0 beta 2 but couldn't get em8300-libraries or em8300-modules to happen at all. A total no-go. Went back to 2.4.21 because viewing films on the Dxr3 plugged into the telly is now an accepted part of family life. Anyone else with a Dxr3 find the same probs in compiling the em8300 stuff with 2.6.0? -- Ian Tindale -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Enabeling hyperthreading
start by compiling kernel with smp support. On Sun, 2003-08-03 at 19:54, Michael Gruetzner wrote: Hello, I've got a Pentium4 mPGA478 and I'd like to enable hyperthreading. The output of dmesg tells me, that hyperthreading is disabled and smp motherboard not found. My motherboard is a Fujitsu-Siemens D1527 with hyperthreading support. According to /proc/cpuinfo the cpu should also support hyperthreading(the ht flag is set). What do I have to do to enable hyperthreading? Thanks Michael -- Alexandru N. Barloiu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dale Media -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How to unmerge gnome?
Am Sonntag, 3. August 2003 19:31 schrieb Frank Hellmuth: Thanks Ryiad for your quick reply! qpkg gnome -q -U what was I'm looking for (hopefully :) Hmmm... Now I've unmerged all dependencies shown by the above command, but emerge world still wants to install the gnome deskop environment. Any further hints? Frank -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: etc-update and fstab...
On 03 Aug 2003 10:19:26 -0700, in gmane.linux.gentoo.user, Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [..] I hate to take up bandwidth offering nothing new, but hopefully the gods will be reading this and understanding that some/many/most of us have great concerns about this set of tools. An update tool for config files would have to understand syntax and constraints (on values) of all applications - that'd be asking too much. There are quite a few Gentoo developers fond of XML:- Config files could be distributed XML-ized, the application-specific final format could be generated from it. User modifications should (only) be applied with an XML-Editor (text-mode!g) to the XML file, then the final format be re-generated. Best regards, -Heribert -- Heribert Slama Muttenz, Switzerland -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: etc-update and fstab...
How do I recognize trivial changes? Only upt to 3 lines affected? Then there are no trivial changes;-) There aren't any trivial changes! If a 1-line change can bring your machine down, then EVERY single line must be chacked with the greatest of care. Spoken like someone who recently installed gentoo, and never had to look at a bunch of files where the only thing that had changed was the CVS header. I'm quite pleased with the automerging support. Quite often I get confused which side is old (left?) and new, respectively. My problem too! Then use a different diff command. You can change it in etc-update.conf. I don't have any suggestions but there have to be more out there. To the person who said -5 is useless, I disagree that. Every time I do an upgrade of XFree there's a buch of X config files modified that I don't care about. I merge the files I've modified, then -5 the rest of them. To the person (people) who think /etc/fstab never changes, older versions of baselayout required tmpfs mounted at /mnt/.init.d/ . New versions (maybe not in stable yet) don't. How do you suggest those changes get pointed out to the user? You're complaining that the automated tools don't do what you want them to--and now people are suggesting that fstab get run through *sed*?? Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me. If you don't like etc-update, edit the files manually. If you have a concrete suggestion for improving etc-update, feel free to say something. Etc-update is by no means perfect, but I don't see an obvious way to improve it. You might try the menu-based mode, which has been in development for quite some time. That will, at least, fix the too many files to fit on the screen problem. -Heschi -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] kdelibs Build Failure During Upgrade
On Sunday 03 August 2003 00:29, Steven Elling wrote: On Saturday 02 August 2003 04:05, Tom Wesley wrote: On Saturday 02 August 2003 01:23, Steven Elling wrote: snip Has anyone else seen this? Why is the build trying to use '/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.2.2/libstdc++.la' when I have gcc-3.2.3-r1 install and not 3.2.2? Is the problem still there in 3.1.3? I'll let the build run tonight and let you know. The build did complete successfully and eveything appears to be working. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How to unmerge gnome?
On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 19:47:07 +0200 Frank Hellmuth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm... Now I've unmerged all dependencies shown by the above command, but emerge world still wants to install the gnome deskop environment. Any further hints? Do you have the gnome USE flag set? Try USE=-gnome emerge world -uvp and see what happens. -- Ian Truelsen Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: ihtruelsen Homepage: http://www.ihtruelsen.dyndns.org -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How to unmerge gnome?
Am Sonntag, 3. August 2003 20:02 schrieb Ian Truelsen: On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 19:47:07 +0200 Frank Hellmuth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm... Now I've unmerged all dependencies shown by the above command, but emerge world still wants to install the gnome deskop environment. Any further hints? Do you have the gnome USE flag set? Try USE=-gnome emerge world -uvp and see what happens. With -gnome it's less packages that emerge wants to install but still I see [ebuild N] gnome-base/ORBit-0.5.17 +nls [ebuild N] gnome-base/gnome-libs-1.4.2 -doc +nls +kde [ebuild N] gnome-base/libglade-0.17-r6 +nls -bonobo [ebuild N] gnome-base/gnome-print-0.37 +nls [ebuild N] gnome-base/gnome-mime-data-2.2.1 [ebuild N] gnome-base/gnome-common-1.2.4-r3 [ebuild N] gnome-base/oaf-0.6.10 +nls [ebuild N] gnome-base/gconf-1.0.8-r5 +nls [ebuild N] gnome-base/gnome-vfs-1.0.5-r3 +ssl +nls [ebuild N] gnome-extra/gal-0.24 +nls -doc [ebuild N] gnome-base/bonobo-1.0.22 +nls [ebuild N] gnome-base/control-center-1.4.0.5-r1 +nls [ebuild N] gnome-base/libghttp-1.0.9-r3 [ebuild N] gnome-extra/gtkhtml-1.1.10 +nls -gnome I know some of them are needed by everyday applications like xmms and gimp but to see what's happening I've even unmerged them. qpkg gnome -q -U and qpkg gnome -q -I shows now no unresolved dependecies at all, but still emerge wants to install the above listed packages. Frank -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: etc-update and fstab...
On Sunday 03 August 2003 05:50, Thorsten Kampe wrote: Just another point: is the -5 useful at all? I mean, has anyone used that in a senseful way? If you really want to overwrite, you could have done 'CONFIG_PROTECT=-* emerge -u whatever', right? Yes, -5 is useful. When there are a considerable amount of config files to update, I go through and selectively merge the files I care about then use -5 to merge the rest I don't care about. Doing it this way saves time and hassle. You don't have to choose a file, do -1, answer yes and move on to the next for all the files you don't care about. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] mozilla firebird confusion
hi all, on my gentoo installation, there seems to be 4 mozilla-firebird ebuilds. most of the names are intuitive. but can you tell me the difference between net-www/MozillaFirebird and net-www/mozilla-firebird ? tia anupam -- ...mathematicians do it smoothly and continuously or discretely in groups and in fields. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: etc-update and fstab...
On Sun, 2003-08-03 at 10:56, Heschi Kreinick wrote: How do I recognize trivial changes? Only upt to 3 lines affected? Then there are no trivial changes;-) There aren't any trivial changes! If a 1-line change can bring your machine down, then EVERY single line must be chacked with the greatest of care. Spoken like someone who recently installed gentoo, and never had to look at a bunch of files where the only thing that had changed was the CVS header. I'm quite pleased with the automerging support. Oh, completely true!! I admit that I am not a programmer, and I actually think the world would be better if I never had to look at a CVS header file! ;-) Quite often I get confused which side is old (left?) and new, respectively. My problem too! Then use a different diff command. You can change it in etc-update.conf. This presumes that I have enough background to: 1) Know that it can be changed 2) Know what some options are 3) Feel confident that the change won't somehow cause the whole thing to break my machine. I fail on all three counts! ;-) ;-) I don't have any suggestions but there have to be more out there. To the person who said -5 is useless, I disagree that. I agree. I've only modified just a couple of files by hand, so I look for those, use -3 on them, and then use -5 on everything that's left. Every time I do an upgrade of XFree there's a buch of X config files modified that I don't care about. I merge the files I've modified, then -5 the rest of them. To the person (people) who think /etc/fstab never changes, older versions of baselayout required tmpfs mounted at /mnt/.init.d/ . New versions (maybe not in stable yet) don't. How do you suggest those changes get pointed out to the user? I agree completely that fstab needs at times, like recently, to be updated. However, for all the smart tools around here, I think it amazingly dense that etc-update -5 will replace a working partition number like /dev/hda6 with something like /dev/boot! It certainly should be able to find out which partitions I'm using for which purpose: /dev/hda6 /boot ext3 noauto,noatime 1 1 It requires me to remember which partition is which. Possibly fine for programmers and hardware techs, but not so nice for users. You're complaining Nothing I said was intended to be a complaint, so much as a statement that some of us find this part of the tools less refined than much of the Gentoo system. I'm not a programmer, don't have a real clue how to make it better. Sorry if it sounded negative. It wasn't meant to. How else could I express this desire to see this part of Gentoo get better? that the automated tools don't do what you want them to--and now people are suggesting that fstab get run through *sed*?? I don't know 'sed' and didn't suggest anything about it, even though I know you're just making an example. Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me. If you don't like etc-update, edit the files manually. If you have a concrete suggestion for improving etc-update, feel free to say something. Etc-update is by no means perfect, but I don't see an obvious way to improve it. Nor I really. I just think that throwing away user edits to fstab because possibly etc-update want to change a comment in the file is radical. I do think that some sort of editor that would show the changes side by side would be an improvement, but I don't know what tools would do that today. You might try the menu-based mode, which has been in development for quite some time. That will, at least, fix the too many files to fit on the screen problem. -Heschi Heschi, You've been very helpful in the past, and I know you will continue to be. Sorry if I sounded like I'm picking on this stuff. It's not my intention. I've had etc-update break my machine twice. I'm learning to be more careful. I'd like fewer people in the future to have these problems. With best regards, Mark -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: etc-update and fstab...
Mark Knecht: This presumes that I have enough background to: 1) Know that it can be changed 2) Know what some options are 3) Feel confident that the change won't somehow cause the whole thing to break my machine. I fail on all three counts! ;-) ;-) Then I think you would be better off with another distro. -- Magnus Nordseth -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: etc-update and fstab...
On Sunday 03 August 2003 06:33, Spider wrote: thats the point of being root. It allows you to do stupid things without getting in your way. And that is fine. I wouldn't have it any other way. But, I digress. passwd should be updated, at least until we get a very solid account management scheme with UID:name assignations to add, since, there is a point in sometimes updating system services ( forking out more basic stuff to users other than root for example) I don't think passwd should be updated by etc-update. For one, would a system administrator edit the passwd file to add or delete a user, system or daemon account or replace it completely? I know I wouldn't because of the inherent danger in doing so. As a system administrator, I try to avoid editing the passwd and group files manually and use useradd, userdel, usermod, groupadd, groupdel, groupmod, etc. instead. I think Gentoo should behave like any good sensible sys admin and use useradd, userdel, usermod, groupadd, groupdel, groupmod, etc. to make updates when system services are added, removed or changed. UNIX and Linux already have a solid account management scheme so why reinvent the wheel? If the tools provided work, use them. The fact that people use tools with sharp edges in a careless manner is unfortunate, but I'm not a believer in putting warningsigns on chainsaws as : Do not stop the rotating chain with your hands , neither am I a fan of are you truly sure you want to do this? dialogs, as they inspire careless use of tools by accustoming people to never read warnings. Cough, Cough... Windows... Cough, Cough. For a reason to upgrade fstab globally? perhaps changing defaults for some subentries? add recommendations for other mountpoints? or add supermount/automount support ? OK. But as I stated in an earlier post, you cannot count on the user's system having the same mount / dump options or mount points. Neither can you count on a user's system using the same devices for the filesystems. I use SCSI in some system and IDE in others, plus, swap space is the first patition on my drives. Now, I'm not saying that updates to fstab shouldn't be made. I'm just saying the updates should be presented to the user in a different way. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: etc-update and fstab...
On Sun, 2003-08-03 at 11:40, Magnus Nordseth wrote: Then I think you would be better off with another distro. You're welcome to your opinion, but you're also 3 emails behind. Gentoo runs fine for me. Thanks, Mark -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: etc-update and fstab...
I agree completely that fstab needs at times, like recently, to be updated. However, for all the smart tools around here, I think it amazingly dense that etc-update -5 will replace a working partition number like /dev/hda6 with something like /dev/boot! It certainly should be able to find out which partitions I'm using for which purpose: /dev/hda6 /boot ext3 noauto,noatime 1 1 It requires me to remember which partition is which. Possibly fine for programmers and hardware techs, but not so nice for users. This is the core of the problem. You're asking for specialized treatment for fstab. It might be doable. OK, so that goes in, and the next question is, what about rc.conf, and modules.d/alsa, and, and, and... Someone else pointed out that there is no standard format to config files in Unix. That's why this question is not easily, maybe at all, solvable. Maybe with some sort of plugin architecture, where each package supplies its own config updater for etc-update to run. But inevitably those updaters are going to have bugs. So people will have to check their configs after they're updated, and really, how much more time does it take to merge them by hand than just checking whether the merge was done correctly? that the automated tools don't do what you want them to--and now people are suggesting that fstab get run through *sed*?? I don't know 'sed' and didn't suggest anything about it, even though I know you're just making an example. Sorry, this was my poor attempt to address half a dozen posts without responding to each of them--it wasn't really directed at you. I do think that some sort of editor that would show the changes side by side would be an improvement, but I don't know what tools would do that today. This is exactly what merge interactively does. I think it's option 3 once you've selected a file to update. Someone else posted a more detailed explanation. I think the real problem that this has pointed out is that people expect etc-update to update config files for you. It doesn't. It doesn't even *try*. Used to be that Portage just printed something like: There are config files to be updated! use find -name .__cfg* to find them. Well, people weren't too happy with that. Surprise. So someone wrote etc-update, which basically did the find for you and gave you a couple options on how to handle the new one--delete the update, blindly accept the changes, or merge them with a diff command. But etc-update was in gentoolkit, and newbies never found it. And then they posted annoying messages to lists and groups about how stupid having to find config files manually was. So etc-update was moved into the portage package, and the help message was updated to mention it instead. So that brings us to today, where we have messages (these are the most recent in a long series of how -5 clobbered my system) about how stupid etc-update is. Well, yeah. It's not supposed to be smart. You're supposed to be. But OTOH, I'd say that it's sort of a documentation bug that this isn't explained very clearly anywhere, and I guess auto-merge is not obviously synonymous with DESTROY YOUR CONFIG FILES!! BAHAHAHAHAH!!'. Maybe someone should write a config file manual for the user docs section. But there's not anything wrong with etc-update, just with people's understanding of how it should be used. Hope that clears things up. -Heschi (PS: Mark: I may write angry-sounding emails, but generally that's just my style. If I'm really frustrated I don't write anything at all. No hard feelings on my side--I wrote because I thought your points, and other people's, were worth addressing.) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: etc-update and fstab...
begin quote On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 13:56:03 -0500 Steven Elling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think passwd should be updated by etc-update. Neither Do I. But that doesn't mean that you shouldn't get it, since portage -shouldnt- try to be smart on what files are suggested to update and not, but just do its thing, leaving such decisions to root, who is capable of doing them. portage will not remove a modified configfile (passwd) but will allow emerge baselayout, if you tell it to.Trying to be smart in cases like this will only lead to confusion and complexity. using etc-update is -optional- and a lot of people don't use it, some use another system (I know of one script which used vimdiff for example, I've seen others with diffstat.) OK. But as I stated in an earlier post, you cannot count on the user's system having the same mount / dump options or mount points. Neither can you count on a user's system using the same devices for the filesystems. I use SCSI in some system and IDE in others, plus, swap space is the first patition on my drives. that is why our default fstab has /dev/ROOT and /dev/BOOT, stopping such problematic things from happening. Unfortunately people still think that /dev/ROOT is a great harddrive to use, and thus assign it. Now, I'm not saying that updates to fstab shouldn't be made. I'm just saying the updates should be presented to the user in a different way. it is, its presented as /etc/._cfg.fstab //Spider -- begin .signature This is a .signature virus! Please copy me into your .signature! See Microsoft KB Article Q265230 for more information. end pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] 2.4.19 headers?
begin quote On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 13:04:01 +0100 (WEST) Jorge Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a) The headers that were present when glibc was compiled (regardless of what kernel was used to compile it and what kernel one is using now)? -- I wouldn't dream of doing that! So, a) is the answer to my question. Right? Yes, that is correct. //Spider -- begin .signature This is a .signature virus! Please copy me into your .signature! See Microsoft KB Article Q265230 for more information. end pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Enabeling hyperthreading
Alexandru N. Barloiu wrote: start by compiling kernel with smp support. This is what I tried first. Sorry, I forgot to mention that. On Sun, 2003-08-03 at 19:54, Michael Gruetzner wrote: Hello, I've got a Pentium4 mPGA478 and I'd like to enable hyperthreading. The output of dmesg tells me, that hyperthreading is disabled and smp motherboard not found. My motherboard is a Fujitsu-Siemens D1527 with hyperthreading support. According to /proc/cpuinfo the cpu should also support hyperthreading(the ht flag is set). What do I have to do to enable hyperthreading? Thanks Michael -- /* Binary compatibility is good American knowhow fuckin' up. */ 2.2.16 /usr/src/linux/arch/sparc/kernel/sunos_ioctl.c -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 2.4.19 headers?
On Sun, 3 Aug 2003, Spider wrote: begin quote On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 13:04:01 +0100 (WEST) Jorge Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a) The headers that were present when glibc was compiled (regardless of what kernel was used to compile it and what kernel one is using now)? -- I wouldn't dream of doing that! So, a) is the answer to my question. Right? Yes, that is correct. //Spider Thanks. -- Jorge Almeida -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Enabeling hyperthreading
Michael Gruetzner wrote: I've got a Pentium4 mPGA478 and I'd like to enable hyperthreading. The output of dmesg tells me, that hyperthreading is disabled and smp motherboard not found. My motherboard is a Fujitsu-Siemens D1527 with hyperthreading support. According to /proc/cpuinfo the cpu should also support hyperthreading(the ht flag is set). What do I have to do to enable hyperthreading? Don't know about your particular board, but usually you have to enable HT somewhere below OS level. It'll either be a BIOS option or (less likely) a jumper on the motherboard somewhere -- don't know if you have the motherboard manual? Once you've done that you should see two virtual CPUs in /proc/cpuinfo. HTH, -- Ciaran McCreesh mail: ciaranm*firedrop#org#uk -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: 2.4.19 headers?
Spider wrote: begin quote On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 13:04:01 +0100 (WEST) Jorge Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a) The headers that were present when glibc was compiled (regardless of what kernel was used to compile it and what kernel one is using now)? So, a) is the answer to my question. Right? Yes, that is correct. This does not really enlighten me. What does 'were present' mean? I assume you mean 'were used'. But then I still don't know which one these are. A self-contained kernel-header ebuild, possibly of a fixed version dependend on the glibc ebuild version? Or is it a collection of headers inside the glibc ebuild itself? Or are these the headers that /usr/src/linux links to? In the first case, we should better rebuild the glibc after the recent kernel header update, isn't it? Except it was a very minor update. mg -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] mozilla firebird confusion
Anupam Kapoor wrote: hi all, on my gentoo installation, there seems to be 4 mozilla-firebird ebuilds. most of the names are intuitive. but can you tell me the difference between net-www/MozillaFirebird and net-www/mozilla-firebird ? tia anupam There are three Mozilla Firebird applications in portage. (1) mozilla-firebird :- build most recent milestone from source (2) mozilla-firebird-bin :- extract most recent milestone from binary package (3) mozilla-firebird-cvs :- build most recent cvs (development) code from source -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -uDp world
Tobias Olsson wrote: Why does portage want to emerge package which I do not have installed That's easy. Simple answer: use flags. Emerge ufed and run it to select and deselect use flags to your liking. Turn off gnome (and maybe gtk,gtk2) if you don't wish to use it and it won't install new gnome packages. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 2.4.19 headers?
On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 22:03:20 +0200 Spider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: begin quote On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 13:04:01 +0100 (WEST) Jorge Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a) The headers that were present when glibc was compiled (regardless of what kernel was used to compile it and what kernel one is using now)? -- I wouldn't dream of doing that! So, a) is the answer to my question. Right? Yes, that is correct. If the kernel headers are updated, say from 2.4.18 to 2.4.19-r1, as is my case, do I need to rebuild glibc, or anything, to avoid unpleasantness? -- Ian Truelsen Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: ihtruelsen Homepage: http://www.ihtruelsen.dyndns.org -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-sources
Ralph F. De Witt wrote: On Saturday 02 August 2003 07:36 pm, Heschi Kreinick wrote: Does anyone know when the gento-sources 2.4.21 will come out? When it's ready. In the meantime you can use pfeifer-sources, which is the development branch for gentoo-sources. -Heschi -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list Personal I think we should not persue a 2.4.21 kernel, but should be working on a 2.6 kernel so that it will be ready when it reach release status. Since we are progressing so slowly on 2.4.21 I think resources would be better spent on 2.6. That's just plain silly. It is impossible to gather, create or apply arrange desired patches onto a 2.6 kernel before the code has been finalised and frozen into a milestone. It's asking someone to work with a kernel that doesn't exist. Any patches prepared now may be utterly useless later on. With regards. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: 2.4.19 headers?
begin quote On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 22:39:25 +0200 Martin Gramatke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A not so good evening. This does not really enlighten me. Frankly I'm not sure its even within my power to enlighten you. What does 'were present' mean? it means, present. As in being located in /usr/include/linux at the time of the time of emerge glibc . I assume you mean 'were used'. Are used. glibc doesn't care about what the linux headers are. Things that depend on glibc however, do at build-time. This is why you should have consistency between the OS headers (linux in this case) and the glibc. But then I still don't know which one these are. A self-contained kernel-header ebuild, possibly of a fixed version dependend on the glibc ebuild version? Would you ever to read the previous parts the question is about the package called linux-headers of which would give the impression it is infact headers from the linux kernel existing in a self contained ebuild. Or is it a collection of headers inside the glibc ebuild itself? No. Or are these the headers that /usr/src/linux links to? Where did /usr/src/linux come into the discussion? the linux-headers have -NOTHING- to do with the usr/src/linux files. They are far to moving a target for care here. In the first case, we should better rebuild the glibc after the recent kernel header update, isn't it? Except it was a very minor update. Were you ever to read a ChangeLog you would realize that the actual data contained inside the linux-headers did not at any point change, the build was updated to provide a virtual/os-headers Which is necessary for future versatility in the operating system. //Spider -- begin .signature This is a .signature virus! Please copy me into your .signature! See Microsoft KB Article Q265230 for more information. end pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] NFS problems
On July 31, 2003 12:30 pm, Christopher Egner wrote: Now I would assume the (everyone) means what it says, everyone can access it. However when I do: mount fanny:/vol/data/home /mnt/home I get: mount: RPC: Authentication error; why = Client credential too weak Are there settings that might be misconfigured or something that I need to change anywhere? I remember that the default settings for NFS under NetBSD used encryption that would only allow NFS mounting by other NetBSD machines. You had to turn off encryption to allow another platform that did not use encrypted NFS (eg. Linux). HTH, Brian -- Lackland's Laws: (1) Never be first. (2) Never be last. (3) Never volunteer for anything pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: [gentoo-user] 2.4.19 headers?
If the kernel headers are updated, say from 2.4.18 to 2.4.19-r1, as is my case, do I need to rebuild glibc, or anything, to avoid unpleasantness? That should not be necessary, I assume whoever was responsible for that will have tested it thoroughly. The problems you may percieve are not with glibc per-se (it doesn't matter what kernel it has or whatelse) but with possible inconsistencies between the glibc headers and the linux headers. (You really want them to report the same SIGNAME for things) //Spider -- begin .signature This is a .signature virus! Please copy me into your .signature! See Microsoft KB Article Q265230 for more information. end pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: etc-update and fstab...
On Sun, 2003-08-03 at 12:54, Heschi Kreinick wrote: It requires me to remember which partition is which. Possibly fine for programmers and hardware techs, but not so nice for users. This is the core of the problem. You're asking for specialized treatment for fstab. It might be doable. OK, so that goes in, and the next question is, what about rc.conf, and modules.d/alsa, and, and, and... Yes, I agree with your points completely. Absolutely! However I still think that possibly a -5 on /etc/fstab shouldn't be allowed to happen at all as the machine can become highly nonfunctional. I'd suggest, as an outgrowth of this conversation, that maybe that file specifically should be skipped when using -5. That would be no worse than not doing etc-update at all, which it seems is many people's answer to this problem. Beyond that a -3 on fstab could have some special messages about being careful. That's pretty minimal programming (I think!) and would help protect, but not stop, newbies like me from hosing things up too badly. (Am I getting beyond newbie status if I've fixed this problem twice and now know not to do this, as well as having a backup plan just n case I do?) ;-) Even today I could not understand, as we are having this conversation, why the etc-update process was so fixated on replacing my hand crafted fstab file with one that had no new changes and removed all my system information, replacing it with things that were simply not true about my hardware. It seemed timely to see that one more time. As for rc.conf or modules.d/alsa, neither (to the best of my knowledge) make the machine nonfunctional. Good backups, or even just a copy of /etc which is about all I'm doing now to get around this problem, would allow a user to fix things. So that brings us to today, where we have messages (these are the most recent in a long series of how -5 clobbered my system) about how stupid etc-update is. Well, yeah. It's not supposed to be smart. You're supposed to be. I think this is a great point, but if left at this point will never remove the -5 clobbered my system messages. There will always be new users. etc-update and modules-update as Gentoo specific AFAIK actions and new users will trip a lot in the beginning. Hope that clears things up. -Heschi (PS: Mark: I may write angry-sounding emails, but generally that's just my style. If I'm really frustrated I don't write anything at all. No hard feelings on my side--I wrote because I thought your points, and other people's, were worth addressing.) And I thank you for that! - Mark -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Enabeling hyperthreading
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Michael Gruetzner wrote: I've got a Pentium4 mPGA478 and I'd like to enable hyperthreading. The output of dmesg tells me, that hyperthreading is disabled and smp motherboard not found. My motherboard is a Fujitsu-Siemens D1527 with hyperthreading support. According to /proc/cpuinfo the cpu should also support hyperthreading(the ht flag is set). What do I have to do to enable hyperthreading? Don't know about your particular board, but usually you have to enable HT somewhere below OS level. It'll either be a BIOS option or (less likely) a jumper on the motherboard somewhere -- don't know if you have the motherboard manual? Once you've done that you should see two virtual CPUs in /proc/cpuinfo. I also heard about that and so I looked in my Bios(Phoenix) but I couldn't find such an option. Michael HTH, -- /* Binary compatibility is good American knowhow fuckin' up. */ 2.2.16 /usr/src/linux/arch/sparc/kernel/sunos_ioctl.c -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] xmodmap problem
I have a nasty keyboard problem. I had KEYMAP=us in /etc/rc.conf, and changed it to KEYMAP=pt-latin1. I didn't use the US layout without changes (I need accents and stuff like that), and I don't want to use the portuguese layout (which is a crap). What I did before, and would like to keep doing, is to customize some keys to my liking, via xmodmap. In particular, I want to get rid of the KeyCaps key and use it as ModeSwitcher. This worked before, but not any longer: I keep facing a unwelcome KeyCaps key. What is puzzling is that xev agrees with the wanted behavior and not with the actual behavior! According to xev, the key with keycode 66 (the one just under tab and above shift) should work as ModeSwitcher: KeyRelease event, serial 27, synthetic NO, window 0x2a1, root 0x48, subw 0x0, time 4424081, (71,695), root:(74,724), state 0x2, keycode 66 (keysym 0xff7e, Mode_switch), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 bytes: My .bashrc has a line xmodmap $HOME/.Xmodmap , where .Xmodmap contains: (...) clear Lock keycode 66 = Mode_switch (...) Any idea? Or anyone knows of some good documentation about keyboard customizing? -- Jorge Almeida -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] etc-update and fstab...
I don't know how feasible it'd be, but I think if the files that are getting updated could be contextually grouped that that could help quite a bit. So instead of having the list of 25 config files, there are sections A B and C where A is something like system files, be very careful here, B is startup files, you can safely update all of these, and C application files, depending on your configuration you may want to be careful here. The trick would be being able to select -5 for group B, then -3 for group C, and then hand walk group A, or some such combination. Anyway, just a thought. If this isn't doable with the current structure, feel free to toss it aside. Sean signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: etc-update and fstab...
On 03 Aug 2003 11:17:55 -0700 Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ Lot of stuff snipped ] I agree with a lot of stuff on both sides of the argument. I have raised this issue in the past. 1) the current etc-update is a big improvement over past versions. 2) Yes, Gentoo is a distro for those at least somewhat familiar with sysadmin techniques, but it could become somewhat more user friendly with respect to updating config files without any harm. Remarks like you have the wrong distro if you're not an expert like me don't really help anyone, but only confirm the snobbishness of the author. 3) Emerging changes to a lot of run scripts and miscellaneous X scripts that are seldomed modified as a normal rule is one thing, but it is absolute bloody nonsense ever to provide a file that would allow users to inavertently overlay fstab, passwd, users, or anything else that would prevent a successful boot. All it takes is one wrong keystroke, and you're hosed. 4) There really needs to be a standard mechanism that notifies users when a critical config file update is necessary and prompts the user to make the changes manually. The etc-update procedure could be trained to look for files like .*_fix_etc_fstab (or some such naming convention) which files would describe the necessary changes and their reasoning. Just my $.02. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Realtek 8139 not detected at bootup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Im trying to install gentoo on a new box for a m8. While ive installed gentoo many times previously, I havent come across this particular kind of problem. The box is a Shuttle sv24 with an on-board realtek 8139 NIC. The LiveCD [with no special options passed] detects the card on IRQ11 and uses the 8139too module quite happily. The 2 USB hub's are also detected on the same IRQ. For the install, I selected both the realtek 8139too and 8139cp modules just in case. Unfortunately when booting the new install, gentoo doesnt say anything about eth0. When I manually insmod the driver or attempt to assign an IP to the device, it say's the device is unknown/not found. Looking carefully at the dmesg output however, there is a section about conflicting devices on IRQ 11 [and it lists the usb drivers loaded], so I tried disabled the usb hub in the bios [the keyb/mouse are ps2] but this didnt seem to help. The only other message that seemed to be of any relevance was 'ds: no socket driver found' - but after carefully checking the kernel options to that of 2 other gentoo boxen I have, I cant see anything obvious which could be causing the problem. Like I said, I get the impression its an IRQ-level problem as opposed to a driver-level problem, as the hardware isnt even detected, so how can a driver talk to it? For the record I have double and triple checked that the 'allow shared irq's' in menuconfig is checked :P TIA :) - -- Mark -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/LakPzrmqzOOQUj8RArncAKCtmKzp5GZO7ZIk+IBaJrb3wMNPqgCgn4Wj 6S4OW0kjlJqd13QEZU1admI= =W9oL -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-sources
gabriel wrote: On August 2, 2003 07:44 pm, Svein Harald Soleim wrote: Does anyone know when the gento-sources 2.4.21 will come out? the answer is, as always: when it's ready. Next question: when will it be ready? :-) I'm using pfeifer-sources-2.4.21-pre4 for now. Norberto -- $ man women No manual entry for women pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Realtek 8139 not detected at bootup
Most bios allow you to allocate an IRQ for legacy drivers. Try and allocate IRQ11 to the realtek, and the bios should move the USB elsewhere. This seems to happen occaisionally on older boards - newer ones tend to work fine. BillK On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 08:30, Mark Fisher wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Im trying to install gentoo on a new box for a m8. While ive installed gentoo many times previously, I havent come across this particular kind of problem. The box is a Shuttle sv24 with an on-board realtek 8139 NIC. The LiveCD [with no special options passed] detects the card on IRQ11 and uses the 8139too module quite happily. The 2 USB hub's are also detected on the same IRQ. For the install, I selected both the realtek 8139too and 8139cp modules just in case. Unfortunately when booting the new install, gentoo doesnt say anything about eth0. When I manually insmod the driver or attempt to assign an IP to the device, it say's the device is unknown/not found. Looking carefully at the dmesg output however, there is a section about conflicting devices on IRQ 11 [and it lists the usb drivers loaded], so I tried disabled the usb hub in the bios [the keyb/mouse are ps2] but this didnt seem to help. The only other message that seemed to be of any relevance was 'ds: no socket driver found' - but after carefully checking the kernel options to that of 2 other gentoo boxen I have, I cant see anything obvious which could be causing the problem. Like I said, I get the impression its an IRQ-level problem as opposed to a driver-level problem, as the hardware isnt even detected, so how can a driver talk to it? For the record I have double and triple checked that the 'allow shared irq's' in menuconfig is checked :P TIA :) - -- Mark -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/LakPzrmqzOOQUj8RArncAKCtmKzp5GZO7ZIk+IBaJrb3wMNPqgCgn4Wj 6S4OW0kjlJqd13QEZU1admI= =W9oL -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] cups-1.1.19-r1, etc.
On Saturday 02 August 2003 06:28 pm, Collins Richey wrote: On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 22:20:48 +0100 Peter Ruskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 02 Aug 2003 22:21, Collins Richey wrote: New versions of cups, ghostscript, gimp-print, foomatic... have been released. Has anyone tried them, and does cups still work? Yes, they work OK here Thanks. They work fine though, the print option disappeared from the gimp until I rebooted. I think that restarting cupsd would have taken care of that too -- Regards, Ernie 100% Microsoft and Intel free -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Realtek 8139 not detected at bootup
hi, try to disable the pnp option in the bios, in most cases it solves the problem. On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 02:30, Mark Fisher wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Im trying to install gentoo on a new box for a m8. While ive installed gentoo many times previously, I havent come across this particular kind of problem. -- cu denny Gnupg key can be found under pgp.mit.edu, key ID 0x73137598 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] etc-update and fstab...
On Sunday 03 August 2003 05:36 pm, Ian Tindale wrote: I'd like some sort of flag system which says to etc-update: I've chosen to alter this file myself before, at some point in time or I've never touched this file in my life before, in fact, I didn't know it even existed. Of course, it's not a foolproof system - it wouldn't catch files that I have indirectly altered using Webmin, for example, but it would go some way. chattr +i filename is your friend. I started doing this awhile back when etc-update decided that one of the 'trvial changes' it was going to make before asking me for input overwrote /usr/lib/sasl2/smtpd.conf on my mail server. Dave -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: etc-update and fstab...
On Sunday 03 August 2003 20:33, Spider wrote:
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On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 12:50:42 +0200
Thorsten Kampe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is in fact the point it is all about. There is no sense in
updating fstab or /etc/passwd so these types of files should be
always omitted. Another possibility would be to have etc-update issue
a red warning when used with -5.
thats the point of being root. It allows you to do stupid things without
getting in your way.
But, I digress. passwd should be updated, at least until we get a very
solid account management scheme with UID:name assignations to add,
since, there is a point in sometimes updating system services ( forking
out more basic stuff to users other than root for example)
Actually, ebuild's use the command enewuser to add users. Those users which
are added are never removed automatically. Here's the line from quake3 for
example:
enewuser q3 -1 /bin/bash /opt/quake3 ${GAMES_GROUP}
As to the automation of merging changes, it seems most people use -3 to update
files they are interested in and then -5 for files they aren't. It would seem
to me that the files that root hasn't touched are known to portage through
the /var/db/pkg/section/package/CONTENTS file. Perhaps, -5 should be run
automatically on files that haven't been touched? Or better yet, emerge
should only protect config files which have changed.
Just my $0.02.
Jason
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[gentoo-user] sys-kernel/linux-headers-2.4.19-r1
Hi all, I am updating world at the moment, it is upgrading kernel headers from sys-kernel/linux-headers-2.4.19 to sys-kernel/linux-headers-2.4.19-r1. I have vanilla-sources 2.4.21, why does it use 2.4.19 headers, and if it is a security fix or something as i saw something about a kernel security risk the other day, will I have to re-compile my kernel for it to take effect. Thanks. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: etc-update and fstab...
On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 15:54:37 -0400, in gmane.linux.gentoo.user, Heschi Kreinick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a few remarks on selected issues: [..] ... So people will have to check their configs after they're updated, and really, how much more time does it take to merge them by hand than just checking whether the merge was done correctly? My latest #emerge -u system threw **58** config files at me:- I had to check every item; about 30 files belonged to X and were never customized - but this had to be verified (easy but boringsigh). For the remaining files I used an editor. [] Maybe someone should write a config file manual for the user docs section. But there's not anything wrong with etc-update, just with people's understanding of how it should be used. The missing doc is what's wrong with etc-update. Maybe using a difference editor as the default choice instead of sdiff, would make things easier for newcomers. Best regards, -Heribert -- Heribert Slama Muttenz, Switzerland -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] OT: Gimp printing
Hi All, I have some layouts in tiff and jpeg format that I want to print full size with gimp. They are about 10 1/2 inches square and gimp will not let me print to a scale that would not fit between my margins. I can overcome this by cropping the images and taping them together but this is a royal pain. It would seem that the gimp should allow me to set any scale I want for printing. Does anyone know what I'm not seeing? -- Regards, Ernie 100% Microsoft and Intel free -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: etc-update and fstab...
On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 16:26:55 -0600, in gmane.linux.gentoo.user, Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [..] 4) There really needs to be a standard mechanism that notifies users when a critical config file update is necessary and prompts the user to make the changes manually. [..] The first run of #emerge pkg should install nothing but a Memo to User (text file) and display it. Emerge knows the versions installed and could include only as much hints as needed for the intended version jump. Today, I'm forced to remember a feature in a GWN issued weeks or months ago. Best regards, -Heribert -- Heribert Slama Muttenz, Switzerland -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: etc-update and fstab...
On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 13:56:03 -0500, in gmane.linux.gentoo.user, Steven Elling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [..] I don't think passwd should be updated by etc-update. For one, would a system administrator edit the passwd file to add or delete a user, system or daemon account or replace it completely? I know I wouldn't because of the inherent danger in doing so. As a system administrator, I try to avoid editing the passwd and group files manually and use useradd, userdel, usermod, groupadd, groupdel, groupmod, etc. instead. ACK. But once came in a new group (+passwd) file with an enlarged set of standard group names (gid 1000). One of these names had already been in the previous file but with a different gid (IRC it was 'slocate'; luckily only 2 items in the filesystem needed special treatment, to get the right gid number into their inodes.) Best regards, -Heribert -- Heribert Slama Muttenz, Switzerland -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] sys-kernel/linux-headers-2.4.19-r1
Hi! On Monday 04 August 2003 03:08, blade- wrote: Hi all, I am updating world at the moment, it is upgrading kernel headers from sys-kernel/linux-headers-2.4.19 to sys-kernel/linux-headers-2.4.19-r1. I have vanilla-sources 2.4.21, why does it use 2.4.19 headers, and if it is a security fix or something as i saw something about a kernel security risk the other day, will I have to re-compile my kernel for it to take effect. Thanks. There was a thread on this just recently. Check the archived version here: http://news.gmane.org/onethread.php?group=gmane.linux.gentoo.userroot=%3C200308021535.01996.khindenburg%40cherrynebula.net%3E If you can't copy the link (because it's too long) here is the first message of the thread: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/41976 Cheers, Renat -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] pyzor spamassassin
Anybody managed to get the two working fine from the ebuilds? I'm having problems with pyzor right now.. spamd[20383]: [debug] Found Razor2 part: part=0 noresponse spamd[20383]: [debug] leaving helper-app run mode spamd[20383]: [debug] Razor2 results: spam? 0 highest cf score: 0 spamd[20383]: [debug] executable for pyzor was found at /usr/bin/pyzor spamd[20383]: [debug] Pyzor is available: /usr/bin/pyzor spamd[20383]: [debug] entering helper-app run mode spamd[20383]: [debug] Pyzor: got response: Traceback (most recent call last): spamd[20383]: [debug] leaving helper-app run mode spamd[20383]: [debug] Pyzor: couldn't grok response Traceback (most recent call last): Checked permissions/etc. Error still happening. Googled. Tried stuff that worked before (permissions, running pyzor discover etc).. still broken. pyzor works ok from the command line. Anybody seen this? :) -jonathan -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Error building kdelibs-3.1.3
I'm trying to upgrade kde 3.1.2 to 3.1.3, but something goes wrong with kdelibs: /bin/sh ../../libtool --silent --mode=link --tag=CXX g++ -Wnon-virtual-dtor -Wno-long-long -Wundef -Wall -pedantic -W -Wpointer-arith -Wwrite-strings -ansi -D_XOPEN_SOURCE=500 -D_BSD_SOURCE -Wcast-align -Wconversion -DNDEBUG -DNO_DEBUG -O2 -march=athlon-tbird -O3 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new -DQT_NO_TRANSLATION -DQT_CLEAN_NAMESPACE -DQT_NO_ASCII_CAST -DQT_NO_COMPAT-o kio_http.la.closure kio_http_la_closure.lo -L/usr/X11R6/lib -L/usr/qt/3/lib -L/usr/kde/3.1/lib -module -avoid-version -module -no-undefined -R /usr/kde/3.1/lib -R /usr/qt/3/lib -R /usr/X11R6/lib http.lo httpfilter.lo ../../kio/libkio.la -lz .libs/http.o: file not recognized: File format not recognized collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[4]: *** [kio_http.la.closure] Error 1 make[4]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs make[4]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/kdelibs-3.1.3/work/kdelibs-3.1.3/kioslave/http' make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/kdelibs-3.1.3/work/kdelibs-3.1.3/kioslave/http' make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/kdelibs-3.1.3/work/kdelibs-3.1.3/kioslave' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/kdelibs-3.1.3/work/kdelibs-3.1.3' make: *** [all] Error 2 Ehmm...anyone experiencing this too ? Thanks, Dick -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Error building kdelibs-3.1.3
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 03 August 2003 11:09 pm, D.J. Bolderman wrote: | I'm trying to upgrade kde 3.1.2 to 3.1.3, but something goes wrong | with kdelibs: I upgraded tot 3.1.3 last week. I didn't have any problems compiling. CFLAGS=-march=athlon -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer - -- ^^^ Kurt There is no good nor evil; there is only power. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/Ld/b0cAvx3ELfKARAkCKAJ4jrynPcQE6amJ4BCNJY0ur11HqtgCgkHE/ yUUGYXZjMmDJekbpFv1Ifv0= =nP4A -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] eth0 problems after installing gentoo 1.4rc4
first, i have used linux for close to five years, but this is the first time i have tried any distro other than redhat. :) i know a fair amount about linux, and i have compiled programs before, but i am not an expert, as you will probably realize by the end of this email :) so on to the problem. i successfully installed gentoo linux 1.4rc4, and its on a dual boot pc... redhat9/gentoo. i installed it from a stage2 tarball, and had it optimized for my athlon-xp cpu. the live cd worked perfectly with my nic, all i had to do was boot with gentoo nodhcp and run net-setup eth0 to configure my nic, as i have a static IP. it seems my nic uses the 8139too kernel module, as lsmod on the live cd, and on redhat9, both seemed to use that module. i did what the gentoo install docs said, putting a line containing 8139too to /etc/modules.autoload, edited /etc/conf.d/net to have my ip, gateway, etc all in it as it's in-document comments told me to, and edited /etc/hosts, /etc/hostname /etc/dnsdomainname, etc...here are my settings: Static IP: 192.168.1.105 Network Device: eth0 Gateway: 192.168.1.1 (a linksys router--NOT performing dns services) Broadcast: 192.168.1.255 Netmask: 255.255.255.0 DNS: 64.105.166.122 (NOTE: this is NOT a personal dns...it does NOT cover my home lan...its from my isp.) the problem is, i cant ping anothing but my mechine. ping localhost/ping 192.168.1.105 work, but ping 192.168.1.1/ping google.com don't work! i dont know what is causing this! :/ after tring to seek help in #gentoo on irc.freenode.net, i didn't have any success. i am not sure if this is my problem, but when i run route on gentoo, it prints this: Kernel IP Routing Table DestinationGateway Genmask Flags Metic Ref Use Iface 192.168.1.0* 255.255.255.0 U0 00 eth0 loopbacklocalhost 255.0.0.0 UG 0 00lo default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 1 00 eth0 shouldn't the top entry by 192.168.1.1not 192.168.1.0?? also, when i am shown the login screen, it says: This is farrell.(none) (Linux i686...) but it should read farrell.freemans.org! :( farrell is my hostname, freemans.org is the domainname in my home LAN (NOT on the internet!) i set /etc/hostname, and /etc/dnsdomain correctly...at least as best i can tell. and i setup /etc/hosts correctly, afaik. here are two screenshots (literally ^_-) of my screen showing this, in case you don't quite get what i was saying earlier about route, my hostname, etc: http://reblended.com/www/upgrdman/01.jpg http://reblended.com/www/upgrdman/02.jpg and lastly, here is my /etc/conf.d/net file: # /etc/conf.d/net: # $Header: /home/cvsroot/gentoo-src/rc-scripts/etc/conf.d/net,v 1.7 2002/11/18 19:39:22 azarah Exp $ # Global config file for net.* rc-scripts # This is basically the ifconfig argument without the ifconfig $iface # iface_eth0=192.168.1.105 broadcast 192.168.1.255 netmask 255.255.255.0 #iface_eth1=207.170.82.202 broadcast 207.0.255.255 netmask 255.255.0.0 # For DHCP set iface_eth? to dhcp # For passing options to dhcpcd use dhcpcd_eth? # #iface_eth0=dhcp #dhcpcd_eth0=... # For adding aliases to a interface # #alias_eth0=192.168.0.3 192.168.0.4 # NB: The next is only used for aliases. # # To add a custom netmask/broadcast address to created aliases, # uncomment and change accordingly. Leave commented to assign # defaults for that interface. # #broadcast_eth0=192.168.0.255 192.168.0.255 #netmask_eth0=255.255.255.0 255.255.255.0 # For setting the default gateway # gateway=eth0/192.168.1.1 thanks, farrell farahbod -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] emerge error
hey im having trouble, ive been rsyncing for 3-4 days now and still come up with a bad perl package which seems to stop me from updating, :( ive run this box for quite some time so not sure if that matters anyways i attatched the output if you need one where i also try to emerge -U let me know, thanks for any help you can give! great distro! = *// No cows were injured in the making of this message *// __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating world dependencies ...done! [ebuild N ] sys-devel/gnuconfig-20030708 [ebuildU ] sys-devel/patch-2.5.9 [2.5.4-r5] [ebuildU ] sys-devel/libtool-1.4.3-r1 [1.4.1-r10] [blocks B] dev-perl/File-Spec-0.84-r1 (from pkg dev-lang/perl-5.8.0-r12) [ebuildU ] dev-lang/perl-5.8.0-r12 [5.8.0-r10] [ebuildU ] sys-apps/gawk-3.1.3 [3.1.2-r3] [ebuildU ] sys-kernel/linux-headers-2.4.19-r1 [2.4.19] [ebuildU ] sys-devel/automake-1.7.5-r2 [1.7.2] [ebuildU ] net-print/cups-1.1.19-r1 [1.1.19] [ebuildU ] app-text/ghostscript-7.05.6-r3 [7.05.6-r2] [ebuildU ] x11-wm/fvwm-2.4.16-r1 [2.4.14] [ebuild N ] dev-libs/nspr-4.3 [ebuild N ] dev-libs/nss-3.8 [ebuildU ] net-im/gaim-0.66-r3 [0.63-r1] [ebuildU ] x11-libs/qt-3.1.2-r4 [3.1.2-r3] [ebuildU ] gnome-base/ORBit2-2.6.2 [2.6.1] [ebuildU ] dev-perl/File-Spec-0.84-r1 [0.82] [ebuildU ] dev-perl/Test-Harness-2.28-r1 [2.28] [ebuildU ] dev-perl/PDL-2.4.0-r1 [2.4.0] [ebuildU ] sys-apps/hdparm-5.4 [5.3-r2] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] eth0 problems after installing gentoo 1.4rc4
Hot Diggety! Farrell Farahbod was rumored to have written: first, i have used linux for close to five years, but this is the first time i have tried any distro other than redhat. :) i know a fair amount about linux, and i have compiled programs before, but i am not an expert, as you will probably realize by the end of this email :) You're doing just fine. i am not sure if this is my problem, but when i run route on gentoo, it prints this: Kernel IP Routing Table DestinationGateway Genmask Flags Metic Ref Use Iface 192.168.1.0* 255.255.255.0 U0 00 eth0 loopbacklocalhost 255.0.0.0 UG 0 00lo default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 1 00 eth0 Looks sane. shouldn't the top entry by 192.168.1.1not 192.168.1.0?? Nah, it's referring to a whole subnet, saying anything destined for an IP in that /24 netblock will exit through eth0. This is necessary to make the default route work properly. The default route itself is pointed at 192.168.1.1, and the flags looks fine. also, when i am shown the login screen, it says: This is farrell.(none) That's a known bug with agetty, I believe... someone submitted a patch for this on this mailing list a few weeks ago. Cosmetic but trivially fixed if you apply the patch. Mail me if you need a copy of the email with patch and installation instructions, if you can handle the patch utility. But first, double check the next suggestion (see below). (Linux i686...) but it should read farrell.freemans.org! :( farrell is my hostname, freemans.org is the domainname in my home LAN (NOT on the internet!) i set /etc/hostname, and /etc/dnsdomain correctly...at least as best i can tell. and i setup /etc/hosts correctly, afaik. See if /etc/env.d/01hostname has the FQDN defined there. and lastly, here is my /etc/conf.d/net file: Looks perfect. So, considering your settings looks to be exactly as it should be... I'm going to guess that either it's a eth0 issue in some way OR it's a linksys issue of some sort with NAT. Just to double check -- you don't have ipchains or a similar firewall utility loaded and enabled on your box? Can you post the output of: # ifconfig eth0 and # lsmod Which kernel tree package are you using? gentoo-sources? -Dan -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Bzip problem
Hello, I have a problem with unpacking bzip2 packages. # emerge -u portage Calculating dependencies ...done! emerge (1 of 1) sys-apps/portage-2.0.48-r5 to / md5 src_uri ;-) portage-2.0.48-r5.tar.bz2 Unpacking source... Unpacking portage-2.0.48-r5.tar.bz2 to /var/tmp/portage/portage-2.0.48-r5/work tar: This does not look like a tar archive tar: Skipping to next header tar: Archive contains obsolescent base-64 headers tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors bzip2: I/O or other error, bailing out. Possible reason follows. bzip2: Broken pipe Input file = /usr/portage/distfiles/portage-2.0.48-r5.tar.bz2, output file = (stdout) !!! ERROR: sys-apps/portage-2.0.48-r5 failed. !!! Function unpack, Line 294, Exitcode 2 !!! failure unpacking portage-2.0.48-r5.tar.bz2 I have deleted source, ebuilds, and dunno what to do Thx, Robert -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
