Re: [gentoo-user] 2.6.0-test2 results

2003-08-03 Thread Andrew Gaffney
Lewis Cawthorne wrote:
heya all,

new guy here...  anyone know what happened to the
davicom drivers in the 2.5.75 and 2.6-0-test2 kernels?
I ran across this same issue. Its under the Tulip sub-category in the 
Network Cards section

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[gentoo-user] Re: 2.4.19 headers?

2003-08-03 Thread Martin Gramatke
Adam Mercer wrote:

 No, you should be using the headers from the kernel that glibc was built
 against not the kernel you have installed.

Where does glibc find the kernel headers when it is emerged? Does the ebuild
carry it's own headers? Or does it depend on a kernel header ebuild which
is emerged automatically if not present?

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Re: [gentoo-user] 2.4.19 headers?

2003-08-03 Thread Tom Wesley
On Saturday 02 August 2003 22:58, Adam Mercer wrote:
 On Sat, Aug 02, 2003 at 03:34:38PM -0500, Kurt V. Hindenburg wrote:
  Why is gentoo still using the headers from 2.4.19???  Shouldn't we be
  using the headers of the kernel we have installed??

 No, you should be using the headers from the kernel that glibc was built
 against not the kernel you have installed.


People keep saying this, but on my machine I built glibc from stage1 install 
and have only every used 2.4.20 - does the glibc ebuild for some reason use 
headers within the glibc package rather than those installed?

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Re: [gentoo-user] 2.4.19 headers?

2003-08-03 Thread Jorge Almeida
On Sun, 3 Aug 2003, Tom Wesley wrote:

 On Saturday 02 August 2003 22:58, Adam Mercer wrote:
  On Sat, Aug 02, 2003 at 03:34:38PM -0500, Kurt V. Hindenburg wrote:
   Why is gentoo still using the headers from 2.4.19???  Shouldn't we be
   using the headers of the kernel we have installed??
 
  No, you should be using the headers from the kernel that glibc was built
  against not the kernel you have installed.
 
 
 People keep saying this, but on my machine I built glibc from stage1 install 
 and have only every used 2.4.20 - does the glibc ebuild for some reason use 
 headers within the glibc package rather than those installed?
 
 
Could one hope that someone who understand this stuff would really 
explain it? Yes, I know about Linus's mail about it, but it helps only 
those who already know more than half of it. And what does the expression 
the headers from the kernel that glibc was built against means?
a) The headers that were present when glibc was compiled (regardless of 
what kernel was used to compile it and what kernel one is using now)?
b) The headers corresponding to the kernel that was active when glibc was 
compiled?
c) Something else?

I guess the answer is a), because I upgraded glibc with kernel 2.4.21 and 
the headers are from 2.4.19, and I can't upgrade kernel-headers.
Still, guessing is not knowing.
Enlightement about this would be usefull to several generations of 
linuxers, and it would help to kill the bad zombie Linus talks about...:)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Clarifying meaning of x86 and ~x86

2003-08-03 Thread Sebastian Hungerecker
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 19:02:39 +0200
Thorsten Kampe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Okay, I've never seen -x86 seen either.
And since Gentoo is x86-optimized, you probably never will. But maybe
you'll see -ppc sometime

 Where can I read about that?
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=33534

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Re: [gentoo-user] 2.6.0-test2 results

2003-08-03 Thread Michael Gruetzner
Hello,

I also tried 2.6.0-test2.

1) Here the matroxfb does not switch to the correct resolution. It 
remails at [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Documentation doesn't say that anything has 
changed.

2) The bubblemon WindomMaker dockapp often crashes with a floating point 
exeption.

Except of this it works fine.

Michael

Collins Richey wrote:
2.6.0-test2 is 100% stable on my desktop system (ext3).

I note two little extras:

1) bash filename completion no longer beeps when there are duplicates.
If you hit tab again, you still get the duplicates list as before. Don't
know what is causing this - probably something else they've changed in
the kernel config.
2) One of the many free gratis configuration changes that the good
kernel folks threw my way is ACPI.  It works like a champ, but it tooks
some digging to find where it is enabled.  The major category (power
management, or whatever category they call it) gives no indication that
power management has been enabled, but if you drill down to the ACPI
section, there it is.  Needless to say, this was not in the 2.4.x kernel
config that I used for the original make oldconfig! 

Also, AFAIK, there is no support yet for nvidia cards.  I'm using the nv
support built into xfree.  Since I'm not a gamester, that's no big deal.


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[gentoo-user] emerge -uDp world

2003-08-03 Thread Tobias Olsson
Why does portage want to emerge package which I do not have installed
when I do a emerge -uDp world. I tought that the -u switch only would
search for installed ebuilds.
emerge -Dup world

These are the packages that I would merge, in order:

Calculating world dependencies ...done!
[ebuild  N] dev-util/indent-2.2.9
[ebuild  N] net-libs/linc-1.0.3
[ebuild  N] gnome-base/ORBit2-2.6.3
[ebuild  N] gnome-base/gconf-2.2.1
[ebuild  N] gnome-base/bonobo-activation-2.2.3
[ebuild  N] gnome-base/libbonobo-2.2.3
[ebuild  N] gnome-base/libgnomecanvas-2.2.1
[ebuild  N] dev-libs/libxslt-1.0.31
[ebuild  N] gnome-base/gnome-mime-data-2.2.1
[ebuild  N] net-nds/portmap-5b-r7
[ebuild  N] app-admin/fam-oss-2.6.10-r1
[ebuild  N] gnome-base/gnome-vfs-2.2.5
[ebuild  N] gnome-base/libgnome-2.2.3
[ebuild  N] gnome-base/libbonoboui-2.2.3
[ebuild  N] gnome-base/libgnomeui-2.2.2
[ebuild  N] media-sound/grip-3.1.1-r1
[ebuild  N] x11-themes/gnome-icon-theme-1.0.6
[ebuild  N] x11-themes/gtk-engines-2.2.0
[ebuild  N] x11-themes/gnome-themes-2.2.2-r1
[ebuild  N] dev-db/mysql-4.0.14
[ebuild U ] dev-perl/Storable-2.07-r1 [2.07]
[ebuild  N] x11-misc/commonbox-utils-0.4
[ebuild  N] x11-themes/commonbox-styles-0.6
[ebuild  N] x11-wm/blackbox-0.65.0-r1
[ebuild U ] x11-libs/qt-3.1.2-r4 [3.1.2-r3]
[ebuild U ] sys-apps/coreutils-5.0-r1 [5.0]
[ebuild  N] net-mail/pine-4.56
[ebuild  N] net-p2p/dctc-0.85.4
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[gentoo-user] Re: etc-update and fstab...

2003-08-03 Thread Thorsten Kampe
* Steven Elling (2003-08-03 07:03 +0200)
 On Saturday 02 August 2003 15:23, Stephane Brossier wrote:
 I emerge some ebuilds yesterday, and then i got a warning that I
 should run etc-update to merge some files.

 I used the -5 option which automaticall merge the files,
 and it seems it deleted some of my config files such
 as /etc/fstab.

 One of my questions about etc-update and portage is, why etc-update / 
 portage even consider critical files like /etc/fstab for a update?

 It seems to me that files like this should never be considered for upgrades 
 because they are static in nature, only need to be set up once, and if 
 changes do need to be made it is because the admin of the box has changed 
 the hardware configuration.

This is in fact the point it is all about. There is no sense in
updating fstab or /etc/passwd so these types of files should be
always omitted. Another possibility would be to have etc-update issue
a red warning when used with -5.

Just another point: is the -5 useful at all? I mean, has anyone used
that in a senseful way? If you really want to overwrite, you could
have done 'CONFIG_PROTECT=-* emerge -u whatever', right?

By the way: I never use etc-update. If I didn't configure the
service, I just overwrite the config file, otherwise I do it manually.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: etc-update and fstab...

2003-08-03 Thread Spider
begin  quote
On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 12:50:42 +0200
Thorsten Kampe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 This is in fact the point it is all about. There is no sense in
 updating fstab or /etc/passwd so these types of files should be
 always omitted. Another possibility would be to have etc-update issue
 a red warning when used with -5.

thats the point of being root. It allows you to do stupid things without
getting in your way.


But, I digress.  passwd should be updated, at least until we get a very
solid account management scheme with UID:name assignations to add,
since, there is a point in sometimes updating system services ( forking
out more basic stuff to users other than root for example)

The fact that people use tools with sharp edges in a careless manner is
unfortunate, but I'm not a believer in putting warningsigns on chainsaws
as : Do not stop the rotating chain with your hands , neither am I a
fan of  are you truly sure you want to do this?  dialogs, as they
inspire careless use of tools by accustoming people to never read
warnings.

For a reason to upgrade fstab globally?  perhaps changing defaults for
some subentries? add recommendations for other mountpoints?  or add
supermount/automount support ? 

I can imagine a lot of reasons. I can also imagine a lot of reasons why
a user should be careful when they see passwd fstab shadow and
other files on the list to be updated.

automation is an option. in this case, using -5 in etc-update is equal
to doing rm -fr  on files.   its possible, but custom says you don't do
that as root.


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Re: [gentoo-user] 2.4.19 headers?

2003-08-03 Thread Spider
begin  quote
On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 10:59:41 +0100 (WEST)
 

 those who already know more than half of it. And what does the
 expression the headers from the kernel that glibc was built against

It means that glibc needs a -static- set of headers that -do not change-
in the life of glibc. 

They live a life outside the kernels, and nothing that uses a kernel
should care about it.  Some network tools care for them to get ICMP
codes and so on, and that is all well and good. 

the headers may become updated when theres a major update of glibc.

If you decide that latest is greatest  go, hack up your headers. Then
go recursively rebuild glibc and everything that you find breaking.

But remember. You are root. Root is alone.


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Re: [gentoo-user] postfix meta-x.de ???

2003-08-03 Thread Spider
begin  quote
On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 03:56:31 +0200
Kees Bergwerf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Why do I receive email from that program? My messages is received here
 in the mailing list! I have received it myself. So I don't understand
 why this postfix program is sending email to ME??? I did not send
 something to it :-(


Because somone has their /var full. 
its a response to you, because you sent the message that caused it.

 
 Please can somebody do something about it
We have.  Thats why you get the error and it doesn't go to the list,
where it will cause a reply from the mail-server, which will cause a
reply from the mailserver which will cause a reply from the
mailserver.



Recursion, n
   see recursion

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Re: [gentoo-user] 2.4.19 headers?

2003-08-03 Thread Jorge Almeida
On Sun, 3 Aug 2003, Spider wrote:

 begin  quote
 On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 10:59:41 +0100 (WEST)
  
 
  those who already know more than half of it. And what does the
  expression the headers from the kernel that glibc was built against
 
 It means that glibc needs a -static- set of headers that -do not change-
 in the life of glibc. 
 
 They live a life outside the kernels, and nothing that uses a kernel
 should care about it.  Some network tools care for them to get ICMP
 codes and so on, and that is all well and good. 
 
 the headers may become updated when theres a major update of glibc.
 
 If you decide that latest is greatest  go, hack up your headers. Then
 go recursively rebuild glibc and everything that you find breaking.
 

I wouldn't dream of doing that!
So, a) is the answer to my question. Right?
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Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-sources

2003-08-03 Thread Ralph F. De Witt
On Saturday 02 August 2003 07:36 pm, Heschi Kreinick wrote:
 Does anyone know when the gento-sources 2.4.21 will come out?

 When it's ready. In the meantime you can use pfeifer-sources, which is the
 development branch for gentoo-sources.
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Personal I think we should not persue a 2.4.21 kernel, but should be working 
on a 2.6 kernel so that it will be ready when it reach release status. Since 
we are progressing so slowly on 2.4.21 I think resources would be better 
spent on 2.6.
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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -uDp world

2003-08-03 Thread Renat Golubchyk
Hi!

 Why does portage want to emerge package which I do not have installed
 when I do a emerge -uDp world. I tought that the -u switch only would
 search for installed ebuilds.

Well if an updated package has a new dependency then it will be emerged.


 emerge -Dup world

 These are the packages that I would merge, in order:

 Calculating world dependencies ...done!
 [ebuild  N] dev-util/indent-2.2.9
 [ebuild  N] net-libs/linc-1.0.3
 [ebuild  N] gnome-base/ORBit2-2.6.3
 [ebuild  N] gnome-base/gconf-2.2.1
 [ebuild  N] gnome-base/bonobo-activation-2.2.3
 [ebuild  N] gnome-base/libbonobo-2.2.3
 [ebuild  N] gnome-base/libgnomecanvas-2.2.1
 [ebuild  N] dev-libs/libxslt-1.0.31
 [ebuild  N] gnome-base/gnome-mime-data-2.2.1
 [ebuild  N] net-nds/portmap-5b-r7
 [ebuild  N] app-admin/fam-oss-2.6.10-r1
 [ebuild  N] gnome-base/gnome-vfs-2.2.5
 [ebuild  N] gnome-base/libgnome-2.2.3
 [ebuild  N] gnome-base/libbonoboui-2.2.3
 [ebuild  N] gnome-base/libgnomeui-2.2.2
 [ebuild  N] media-sound/grip-3.1.1-r1
 [ebuild  N] x11-themes/gnome-icon-theme-1.0.6
 [ebuild  N] x11-themes/gtk-engines-2.2.0
 [ebuild  N] x11-themes/gnome-themes-2.2.2-r1
 [ebuild  N] dev-db/mysql-4.0.14
 [ebuild U ] dev-perl/Storable-2.07-r1 [2.07]
 [ebuild  N] x11-misc/commonbox-utils-0.4
 [ebuild  N] x11-themes/commonbox-styles-0.6
 [ebuild  N] x11-wm/blackbox-0.65.0-r1
 [ebuild U ] x11-libs/qt-3.1.2-r4 [3.1.2-r3]
 [ebuild U ] sys-apps/coreutils-5.0-r1 [5.0]
 [ebuild  N] net-mail/pine-4.56
 [ebuild  N] net-p2p/dctc-0.85.4

 Thanks!

Better do emerge -Dupv world so that you can see the USE flags.


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[gentoo-user] pppoe configuration

2003-08-03 Thread vp_admin
Hi!
I am kind of new to gentoo but I had all versions of linux installed on my box 
since I first came in touch with linux about 2 years ago. One problem about 
linux allways seemed to be the support of certain hardware and if there is an 
appropriate driver available for the hardware the configuration involves so 
many steps and such a deep knowledge of the low-level tools and config-files 
that the mortal pc-user will simply give up and turn away from it in disgust 
in favour of the instable, proprietary microsoft Windows versions. Well this 
is slowly changing but I assume that linux will never be as simple to 
configure as windows but it turn in will never be as instable as windows.

now back to the subject of my email. When installing gentoo I could setup the 
adsl-connection (provider is the german telecom) on the 
installation-environment (The one which is only temporary and only exists in 
the core) without the slightest hassle. I just set up the whole thing with 
rp-pppoe (root# adsl-setup) and triggered off the internet connection with 
root# adsl-start .
 everything worked fine and I chrooted to my real gentoo environment and 
proceeded with downloading and installing software. After kernel-compilation 
(I made sure all internet-related protocols and the ethernet-driver 
sis900.o were selected) I rebooted but could not get the internet going. 
while booting, the kernel told me that it could not bring up the eth0 (my 
ethernet card).Then I thought, maybe there is something special about the 
gentoo kernel and tried the following: I just started from CD again and 
copied the kernel config file of the CD-Version to my own kernel with:
root# cat /proc/config  /usr/src/linux/.config 
I then changed a few values regarding the filesystems and soundsupport etc. 
and recompiled the kernel! Everything seemed fine I didn't get any error 
messages on startup like couldn't bring up Eth0 again but again I couldn't 
trigger off any internetconnection.
after trying adsl-start there allways comes  TIME OUT  ... . I tried 
various things from re-configuration of rp-pppoe to reinstalling software and 
recompiling the Kernel-values. Nothing seems to help. The funny thing is it 
is possible for me to bootup the installation-Cd and chroot from there to my 
real gentoo environment without setting up the pppoe on the cd-environment 
and  then do 
root # env-update and 
root # source /etc/profile 
etc. and start internetconnection right away from the chroot-environment. 
Doesn't that say that there is nothing wrong with the configuration of my 
real gentoo-environment but rather with the kernel?

I would be very, very greatful if someone helped me out of this situation 
since I am really stuck here! Even now that I am writing this email, I have 
booted from cd and then chrooted into this here, rather than booting from my 
own kernel.

By the way, while running 
root# ifconfig -a 
(when booted from the real kernel) eth0 is up and running. ppp0 isn't there! 
Is there anyone outthere able to help me out?

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Re: [gentoo-user] pppoe configuration

2003-08-03 Thread Andrew Gaffney
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
now back to the subject of my email. When installing gentoo I could setup the 
adsl-connection (provider is the german telecom) on the 
installation-environment (The one which is only temporary and only exists in 
the core) without the slightest hassle. I just set up the whole thing with 
rp-pppoe (root# adsl-setup) and triggered off the internet connection with 
root# adsl-start .
 everything worked fine and I chrooted to my real gentoo environment and 
proceeded with downloading and installing software. After kernel-compilation 
(I made sure all internet-related protocols and the ethernet-driver 
sis900.o were selected) I rebooted but could not get the internet going. 
while booting, the kernel told me that it could not bring up the eth0 (my 
ethernet card).Then I thought, maybe there is something special about the 
gentoo kernel and tried the following: I just started from CD again and 
copied the kernel config file of the CD-Version to my own kernel with:
root# cat /proc/config  /usr/src/linux/.config 
I then changed a few values regarding the filesystems and soundsupport etc. 
and recompiled the kernel! Everything seemed fine I didn't get any error 
messages on startup like couldn't bring up Eth0 again but again I couldn't 
trigger off any internetconnection.
after trying adsl-start there allways comes  TIME OUT  ... . I tried 
various things from re-configuration of rp-pppoe to reinstalling software and 
recompiling the Kernel-values. Nothing seems to help. The funny thing is it 
is possible for me to bootup the installation-Cd and chroot from there to my 
real gentoo environment without setting up the pppoe on the cd-environment 
Ok, first off, did you follow the steps in the Install Guide to setup 
your LAN IP? Set it to something like 192.168.0.1. Second, make sure you 
enable *ALL* PPP related options in the kernel, including the ones that 
say something about serial line. I had this same issue.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Virtual mail howto unable to get phpmyadmin working

2003-08-03 Thread Matthias F. Brandstetter
-- quoting Jim Bailey --
 I have tried using the exact syntax used in the  Code listing 8.3:
 Configuring phpMyAdmin down to using '$password' exactly and adding
 the correct mysql password in clear text inplace of the above.[1]

You have to enter the exact pwd in clear text into 
/etc/phpmyadmin/config.inc.php ($cfg['Servers'][$i]['controlpass'], 
and maybe $cfg['Servers'][$i]['password'] as well), did you tried 
that?

I can say, this howto is somewhat outdated, but I managed to bring 
such a virtual mail system to work with this doc some weeks ago, so I 
know it's doable... :)

Feel free to ask again, if you need more info!
Greetings, Matthias

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Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-sources

2003-08-03 Thread Chris I
On 2003.08.03 08:47, Ralph F. De Witt wrote:
Personal I think we should not persue a 2.4.21 kernel, but should be
working on a 2.6 kernel so that it will be ready when it reach 
release status.
Since we are progressing so slowly on 2.4.21 I think resources would 
be better spent on 2.6.
I don't think this is the greatest idea, but its not terribly bad. It 
would be best to get gentoo-sources at 2.4.21 (or 2.4.22, whatever), 
and keep it at 2.4. Automagically changing the generation of one's 
kernel on their system (with a -u world) is a rather bad idea for 
several reasons:

1. It is a major change. Alot of things either do not work (having alot 
of trouble with radeonfb, myself), or work very differently 
(lm_sensors). Users will be upset if this change is not blatantly 
obvious to them. They might as well switch to using the HURD and 
getting everything working the same :)

2. Some changes should not be automatic. There are still people using 
gcc 2.x. Should there be a 2.6 kernel, it should definately be labelled 
under a different name from gentoo-sources, not merely a version 
change. I could see portage bringing in gentoo-sources-2.6.0 and 
people would jump and point wow, lookie that bg change, and do a 
`make oldconfig` on a .config from a previous generation of kernel.

3. There already are 2.6 kernels in the tree (im sure you know this 
though :), they just havent been renamed from development-sources to 
whatever the new name would be. There isnt a whole lot of reason to 
maintain an alternate patchset as the kernel has alot of cool things in 
the kernel source itself now (preempt, etc). Should you wish for 
'bleeding-edge' patches on the new series, try mm-sources, which is 
updated every three days or so with updates.

Now, dispite my claims above, I use 2.6 (and went through hell to get 
it to work on my laptop). I find the power management is alot better 
than with 2.4. I've been using 2.5 kernels for a few months on my 
desktop with varying success (do not even have a backup 2.4 to fall 
back to, my backup kernel is also dev-sources).

I had to go through a bit of trouble to get my synaptics touchpad 
working. It wasnt hard, it was just different than with 2.4 -- it threw 
it into a ps/2 compat mode, which i thought was how the device normally 
worked, wheras I had to change it to use a different mouse driver and 
protocol.

Getting pcmcia working also was not hard, just different. There is also 
little documentation for 2.5/2.6_test kernels online in this area: 
google returns hundreds of lkml and lkml-archived posts about xyz not 
working. 
Eventually I got my wireless card working, but not everyone has an hour 
or two to spend getting a brand new kernel to work properly, and i'm 
willing to bet that people will say i want the new kernel, but only if 
i can have it work _exactly_ like the old one

As I said, framebuffer, at least for me, refuses to work no matter how 
hard I try, wheras with 2.4 it worked with so little effort it was 
eerie. This, I think, is due to the fact that the radeonfb is being 
worked on (was forked) again, and something broke compatability with 
either my 7500 mobility, or the flat panel on the laptop.

I agree that having 2.6 in gentoo is a great idea, but look at how long 
it took to switch from having gcc 2.x to having gentoo install gcc 3.2 
as the new default compiler. 3.0 and 3.1 were around for people to use, 
but switching users cold-turkey was avoided.

At this stage, anybody wanting to use 2.6 knows it is in portage. 
It said Use Windows XP or better, so I installed Gentoo Linux 1.4
This is, indeed, the funniest thing I have ever heard in my life, and I 
am actually writing it down on a post-it so I will never forget it. :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Where does ./configure scripts find libs and headers

2003-08-03 Thread Matthias F. Brandstetter
-- quoting Andy --
 Where does ./configure script of application
 find headers and libs.

 And how can I change this paths?

I think you have to give more information -- what application you 
want to compile, what headers and libs are needed and so on.

Some ./configure scripts are able to use config options, like 
./configure --with-headers=/path/to/headers. Try ./configure 
--help or if this doesn't give any useful info, look into the 
configure script itself. Sometimes, the vendors/programmers homepages 
do have some useful info on that as well. Or maybe there is an README 
or INSTALL file in the source directory?

Greetings, Matthias

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[gentoo-user] window focus in fluxbox

2003-08-03 Thread Andrew Gaffney
I have fluxbox as my WM. When I'm using Mozilla, if I switch windows by 
using Mozilla's 'Window' menu, the new one comes to the front, but the 
old one still has focus in the background until I click in the new one. 
Is there a way to have focus transferred to the new window when it comes 
to the front?

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[gentoo-user] Re: etc-update and fstab...

2003-08-03 Thread Heribert Slama
On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 14:33:58 +1200, in gmane.linux.gentoo.user, David
Friggens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[...etc-update...]

 This is IMO the most very frustrating part of the way Gentoo works.
50*ACK :-
[..]

I've always found it more than satisfactory. etc-update automatically
merges any trivial changes and then I use the interactive merge option
(3, I think) to make sure my settings don't get overridden.

How do I recognize trivial changes? Only upt to 3 lines affected?
Then there are no trivial changes;-)

[..]

(*) Select the number of the file

The selection list is very often too long to fit on a screen; the
beginning of the list is rolled off the screen - not very clean.

(*) Select 3) Interactively merge original with update
(*) Update diff-by-diff how you like
Admittedly this bit is the most unintuitive at first as it doesn't
tell you what the options are. But if you type ? it gives you the
list:
ed: Edit then use both versions, each decorated with a header.
eb: Edit then use both versions.
el: Edit then use the left version.
er: Edit then use the right version.
e:  Edit a new version.
l:  Use the left version.
r:  Use the right version.
s:  Silently include common lines.
v:  Verbosely include common lines.
q:  Quit.
Usually a mix of r and l is all that's needed.

Quite often I get confused which side is old (left?) and new,
respectively. Also I lose track of the logical context, so I would
have to trust the mechanics of sdiff _blindly_ - well, I don't!
I copy the ._cfg-file to config.new and edit that manually (I
re-inject my modifications).

BTW, I don't understand the options beginning with 'e' (edit
[then...]).

Maybe it would be easier  safer with vim-diff (seeing everything in
context), but I would have to learn vim in the first place :-)

Best regards,
-Heribert

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[gentoo-user] Enabeling hyperthreading

2003-08-03 Thread Michael Gruetzner
Hello,

I've got a Pentium4 mPGA478 and I'd like to enable hyperthreading. The 
output of dmesg tells me, that hyperthreading is disabled and smp 
motherboard not found. My motherboard is a Fujitsu-Siemens D1527 with 
hyperthreading support. According to /proc/cpuinfo the cpu should also 
support hyperthreading(the ht flag is set).
What do I have to do to enable hyperthreading?

Thanks
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[gentoo-user] How to unmerge gnome?

2003-08-03 Thread Frank Hellmuth
Hi

As an open minded KDE user, I take a look at gnome from time to time. But now 
I'm running out of disk space, so I decided to remove gnome. After trying 
emerge -C gnome and seeing still a lot of gnome-base packages installed I 
unmerged these by hand by emerge -C packagename.

But now a emerge -Dup world wants to bring all of them back. So I guess 
there are one or two packages that needs some of the gnome-base packages, 
causing emerge to try to install the whole desktop environment again.

How do I find out which packages these are: Is there a possibilty to search 
for search for unfullfilled dependencies in emerge? I've looked at the 
documentation at gentoo.org and the man pages but found nothing.

Any help?

Frank


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Re: [gentoo-user] How to unmerge gnome?

2003-08-03 Thread Riyad Kalla
Frank, I *think* that qpkg program from gentoolkit (emerge gentoolkit) 
will show you deps... I could be wrong, but something in that toolkit 
did it.

Best,
-Riyad
Frank Hellmuth wrote:

Hi

As an open minded KDE user, I take a look at gnome from time to time. But now 
I'm running out of disk space, so I decided to remove gnome. After trying 
emerge -C gnome and seeing still a lot of gnome-base packages installed I 
unmerged these by hand by emerge -C packagename.

But now a emerge -Dup world wants to bring all of them back. So I guess 
there are one or two packages that needs some of the gnome-base packages, 
causing emerge to try to install the whole desktop environment again.

How do I find out which packages these are: Is there a possibilty to search 
for search for unfullfilled dependencies in emerge? I've looked at the 
documentation at gentoo.org and the man pages but found nothing.

Any help?

Frank

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: etc-update and fstab...

2003-08-03 Thread Mark Knecht
On Sun, 2003-08-03 at 09:27, Heribert Slama wrote:
 
  This is IMO the most very frustrating part of the way Gentoo works.
   50*ACK :-

Glad to know I'm not alone. ;-)


 How do I recognize trivial changes? Only upt to 3 lines affected?
 Then there are no trivial changes;-)

There aren't any trivial changes! If a 1-line change can bring your
machine down, then EVERY single line must be chacked with the greatest
of care.


 Quite often I get confused which side is old (left?) and new,
 respectively.

My problem too!

I hate to take up bandwidth offering nothing new, but hopefully the gods
will be reading this and understanding that some/many/most of us have
great concerns about this set of tools.

Cheers,
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Re: [gentoo-user] How to unmerge gnome?

2003-08-03 Thread Frank Hellmuth
Am Sonntag, 3. August 2003 19:11 schrieb Riyad Kalla:
 Frank, I *think* that qpkg program from gentoolkit (emerge gentoolkit)
 will show you deps... I could be wrong, but something in that toolkit
 did it.

Thanks Ryiad for your quick reply!

qpkg gnome -q -U

what was I'm looking for (hopefully :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] 2.6.0-test2 results

2003-08-03 Thread Ian Tindale

Tried 2.6.0 beta 2 but couldn't get em8300-libraries or em8300-modules to happen at 
all. A total no-go.
Went back to 2.4.21 because viewing films on the Dxr3 plugged into the telly is now an 
accepted part of family life. Anyone else with a Dxr3 find the same probs in compiling 
the em8300 stuff with 2.6.0?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Enabeling hyperthreading

2003-08-03 Thread Alexandru N. Barloiu
start by compiling kernel with smp support.

On Sun, 2003-08-03 at 19:54, Michael Gruetzner wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I've got a Pentium4 mPGA478 and I'd like to enable hyperthreading. The 
 output of dmesg tells me, that hyperthreading is disabled and smp 
 motherboard not found. My motherboard is a Fujitsu-Siemens D1527 with 
 hyperthreading support. According to /proc/cpuinfo the cpu should also 
 support hyperthreading(the ht flag is set).
 What do I have to do to enable hyperthreading?
 
 Thanks
 Michael
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Re: [gentoo-user] How to unmerge gnome?

2003-08-03 Thread Frank Hellmuth
Am Sonntag, 3. August 2003 19:31 schrieb Frank Hellmuth:
 Thanks Ryiad for your quick reply!

 qpkg gnome -q -U

 what was I'm looking for (hopefully :)

Hmmm... Now I've unmerged all dependencies shown by the above command, but 
emerge world still wants to install the gnome deskop environment.

Any further hints?

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[gentoo-user] Re: etc-update and fstab...

2003-08-03 Thread Heribert Slama
On 03 Aug 2003 10:19:26 -0700, in gmane.linux.gentoo.user, Mark
Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[..]

I hate to take up bandwidth offering nothing new, but hopefully the gods
will be reading this and understanding that some/many/most of us have
great concerns about this set of tools.

An update tool for config files would have to understand syntax
and constraints (on values) of all applications - that'd be asking
too much.

There are quite a few Gentoo developers fond of XML:-  Config files
could be distributed XML-ized, the application-specific final
format could be generated from it. User modifications should (only)
be applied with an XML-Editor (text-mode!g) to the XML file, then
the final format be re-generated.

Best regards,
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: etc-update and fstab...

2003-08-03 Thread Heschi Kreinick
  How do I recognize trivial changes? Only upt to 3 lines affected?
  Then there are no trivial changes;-)

 There aren't any trivial changes! If a 1-line change can bring your
 machine down, then EVERY single line must be chacked with the greatest
 of care.

Spoken like someone who recently installed gentoo, and never had to look at
a bunch of files where the only thing that had changed was the CVS header.
I'm quite pleased with the automerging support.

  Quite often I get confused which side is old (left?) and new,
  respectively.

 My problem too!

Then use a different diff command. You can change it in etc-update.conf. I
don't have any suggestions but there have to be more out there.
To the person who said -5 is useless, I disagree that. Every time I do an
upgrade of XFree there's a buch of X config files modified that I don't care
about. I merge the files I've modified, then -5 the rest of them.
To the person (people) who think /etc/fstab never changes, older versions of
baselayout required tmpfs mounted at /mnt/.init.d/ . New versions (maybe not
in stable yet) don't. How do you suggest those changes get pointed out to
the user?

You're complaining that the automated tools don't do what you want them
to--and now people are suggesting that fstab get run through *sed*?? Sounds
like a recipe for disaster to me. If you don't like etc-update, edit the
files manually. If you have a concrete suggestion for improving etc-update,
feel free to say something. Etc-update is by no means perfect, but I don't
see an obvious way to improve it. You might try the menu-based mode, which
has been in development for quite some time. That will, at least, fix the
too many files to fit on the screen problem.
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Re: [gentoo-user] kdelibs Build Failure During Upgrade

2003-08-03 Thread Steven Elling
On Sunday 03 August 2003 00:29, Steven Elling wrote:
 On Saturday 02 August 2003 04:05, Tom Wesley wrote:
  On Saturday 02 August 2003 01:23, Steven Elling wrote:
  snip
 
   Has anyone else seen this?
  
   Why is the build trying to use
   '/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.2.2/libstdc++.la' when I have
   gcc-3.2.3-r1 install and not 3.2.2?
 
  Is the problem still there in 3.1.3?

 I'll let the build run tonight and let you know.

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Re: [gentoo-user] How to unmerge gnome?

2003-08-03 Thread Ian Truelsen
On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 19:47:07 +0200
Frank Hellmuth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hmmm... Now I've unmerged all dependencies shown by the above command,
 but emerge world still wants to install the gnome deskop environment.
 
 Any further hints?
 
Do you have the gnome USE flag set? Try USE=-gnome emerge world -uvp
and see what happens.

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Re: [gentoo-user] How to unmerge gnome?

2003-08-03 Thread Frank Hellmuth
Am Sonntag, 3. August 2003 20:02 schrieb Ian Truelsen:
 On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 19:47:07 +0200

 Frank Hellmuth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hmmm... Now I've unmerged all dependencies shown by the above command,
  but emerge world still wants to install the gnome deskop environment.
 
  Any further hints?

 Do you have the gnome USE flag set? Try USE=-gnome emerge world -uvp
 and see what happens.

With -gnome it's less packages that emerge wants to install but still I see

[ebuild  N] gnome-base/ORBit-0.5.17  +nls
[ebuild  N] gnome-base/gnome-libs-1.4.2  -doc +nls +kde
[ebuild  N] gnome-base/libglade-0.17-r6  +nls -bonobo
[ebuild  N] gnome-base/gnome-print-0.37  +nls
[ebuild  N] gnome-base/gnome-mime-data-2.2.1
[ebuild  N] gnome-base/gnome-common-1.2.4-r3
[ebuild  N] gnome-base/oaf-0.6.10  +nls
[ebuild  N] gnome-base/gconf-1.0.8-r5  +nls
[ebuild  N] gnome-base/gnome-vfs-1.0.5-r3  +ssl +nls
[ebuild  N] gnome-extra/gal-0.24  +nls -doc
[ebuild  N] gnome-base/bonobo-1.0.22  +nls
[ebuild  N] gnome-base/control-center-1.4.0.5-r1  +nls
[ebuild  N] gnome-base/libghttp-1.0.9-r3
[ebuild  N] gnome-extra/gtkhtml-1.1.10  +nls -gnome

I know some of them are needed by everyday applications like xmms and gimp 
but to see what's happening I've even unmerged them. 

qpkg gnome -q -U

and

qpkg gnome -q -I

shows now no unresolved dependecies at all, but still emerge wants to install 
the above listed packages.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: etc-update and fstab...

2003-08-03 Thread Steven Elling
On Sunday 03 August 2003 05:50, Thorsten Kampe wrote:
 Just another point: is the -5 useful at all? I mean, has anyone used
 that in a senseful way? If you really want to overwrite, you could
 have done 'CONFIG_PROTECT=-* emerge -u whatever', right?

Yes, -5 is useful.  When there are a considerable amount of config files 
to update, I go through and selectively merge the files I care about then 
use -5 to merge the rest I don't care about.  Doing it this way saves 
time and hassle.  You don't have to choose a file, do -1, answer yes and 
move on to the next for all the files you don't care about.


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[gentoo-user] mozilla firebird confusion

2003-08-03 Thread Anupam Kapoor
hi all,
on my gentoo installation, there seems to be 4 mozilla-firebird
ebuilds. most of the names are intuitive. but can you tell me the
difference between
   net-www/MozillaFirebird and
   net-www/mozilla-firebird ?

tia
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: etc-update and fstab...

2003-08-03 Thread Mark Knecht
On Sun, 2003-08-03 at 10:56, Heschi Kreinick wrote:
   How do I recognize trivial changes? Only upt to 3 lines affected?
   Then there are no trivial changes;-)
 
  There aren't any trivial changes! If a 1-line change can bring your
  machine down, then EVERY single line must be chacked with the greatest
  of care.
 
 Spoken like someone who recently installed gentoo, and never had to look at
 a bunch of files where the only thing that had changed was the CVS header.
 I'm quite pleased with the automerging support.

Oh, completely true!! I admit that I am not a programmer, and I actually
think the world would be better if I never had to look at a CVS header
file! ;-)

 
   Quite often I get confused which side is old (left?) and new,
   respectively.
 
  My problem too!
 
 Then use a different diff command. You can change it in etc-update.conf. 

This presumes that I have enough background to:

1) Know that it can be changed
2) Know what some options are
3) Feel confident that the change won't somehow cause the whole thing to
break my machine.

I fail on all three counts! ;-) ;-)

 I
 don't have any suggestions but there have to be more out there.
 To the person who said -5 is useless, I disagree that. 

I agree. I've only modified just a couple of files by hand, so I look
for those, use -3 on them, and then use -5 on everything that's left.

 Every time I do an
 upgrade of XFree there's a buch of X config files modified that I don't care
 about. I merge the files I've modified, then -5 the rest of them.
 To the person (people) who think /etc/fstab never changes, older versions of
 baselayout required tmpfs mounted at /mnt/.init.d/ . New versions (maybe not
 in stable yet) don't. How do you suggest those changes get pointed out to
 the user?

I agree completely that fstab needs at times, like recently, to be
updated. However, for all the smart tools around here, I think it
amazingly dense that etc-update -5 will replace a working partition
number like /dev/hda6 with something like /dev/boot! It certainly should
be able to find out which partitions I'm using for which purpose:

/dev/hda6 /boot ext3   noauto,noatime 1 1

It requires me to remember which partition is which. Possibly fine for
programmers and hardware techs, but not so nice for users.


 You're complaining 

Nothing I said was intended to be a complaint, so much as a statement
that some of us find this part of the tools less refined than much of
the Gentoo system. I'm not a programmer, don't have a real clue how to
make it better. Sorry if it sounded negative. It wasn't meant to. How
else could I express this desire to see this part of Gentoo get better?

 that the automated tools don't do what you want them
 to--and now people are suggesting that fstab get run through *sed*?? 

I don't know 'sed' and didn't suggest anything about it, even though I
know you're just making an example.

 Sounds
 like a recipe for disaster to me. If you don't like etc-update, edit the
 files manually. If you have a concrete suggestion for improving etc-update,
 feel free to say something. Etc-update is by no means perfect, but I don't
 see an obvious way to improve it. 

Nor I really. I just think that throwing away user edits to fstab
because possibly etc-update want to change a comment in the file is
radical.

I do think that some sort of editor that would show the changes side by
side would be an improvement, but I don't know what tools would do that
today.

 You might try the menu-based mode, which
 has been in development for quite some time. That will, at least, fix the
 too many files to fit on the screen problem.
 -Heschi

Heschi,
   You've been very helpful in the past, and I know you will continue to
be. Sorry if I sounded like I'm picking on this stuff. It's not my
intention. I've had etc-update break my machine twice. I'm learning to
be more careful. I'd like fewer people in the future to have these
problems.

With best regards,
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: etc-update and fstab...

2003-08-03 Thread Magnus Nordseth
Mark Knecht:
 
 This presumes that I have enough background to:
 
 1) Know that it can be changed
 2) Know what some options are
 3) Feel confident that the change won't somehow cause the whole thing to
 break my machine.
 
 I fail on all three counts! ;-) ;-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: etc-update and fstab...

2003-08-03 Thread Steven Elling
On Sunday 03 August 2003 06:33, Spider wrote:
 thats the point of being root. It allows you to do stupid things without
 getting in your way.

And that is fine.  I wouldn't have it any other way.


 But, I digress.  passwd should be updated, at least until we get a very
 solid account management scheme with UID:name assignations to add,
 since, there is a point in sometimes updating system services ( forking
 out more basic stuff to users other than root for example)

I don't think passwd should be updated by etc-update.  For one, would a 
system administrator edit the passwd file to add or delete a user, system 
or daemon account or replace it completely?  I know I wouldn't because of 
the inherent danger in doing so.  As a system administrator, I try to avoid 
editing the passwd and group files manually and use useradd, userdel, 
usermod, groupadd, groupdel, groupmod, etc. instead.

I think Gentoo should behave like any good sensible sys admin and use 
useradd, userdel, usermod, groupadd, groupdel, groupmod, etc. to make 
updates when system services are added, removed or changed.  UNIX and Linux 
already have a solid account management scheme so why reinvent the wheel?  
If the tools provided work, use them.


 The fact that people use tools with sharp edges in a careless manner is
 unfortunate, but I'm not a believer in putting warningsigns on chainsaws
 as : Do not stop the rotating chain with your hands , neither am I a
 fan of  are you truly sure you want to do this?  dialogs, as they
 inspire careless use of tools by accustoming people to never read
 warnings.

Cough, Cough... Windows... Cough, Cough.


 For a reason to upgrade fstab globally?  perhaps changing defaults for
 some subentries? add recommendations for other mountpoints?  or add
 supermount/automount support ?

OK.  But as I stated in an earlier post, you cannot count on the user's 
system having the same mount / dump options or mount points.  Neither can 
you count on a user's system using the same devices for the filesystems.  I 
use SCSI in some system and IDE in others, plus, swap space is the first 
patition on my drives.

Now, I'm not saying that updates to fstab shouldn't be made.  I'm just 
saying the updates should be presented to the user in a different way.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: etc-update and fstab...

2003-08-03 Thread Mark Knecht
On Sun, 2003-08-03 at 11:40, Magnus Nordseth wrote:

 Then I think you would be better off with another distro.

You're welcome to your opinion, but you're also 3 emails behind.

Gentoo runs fine for me.

Thanks,
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: etc-update and fstab...

2003-08-03 Thread Heschi Kreinick
 I agree completely that fstab needs at times, like recently, to be
 updated. However, for all the smart tools around here, I think it
 amazingly dense that etc-update -5 will replace a working partition
 number like /dev/hda6 with something like /dev/boot! It certainly should
 be able to find out which partitions I'm using for which purpose:

 /dev/hda6 /boot ext3   noauto,noatime 1 1

 It requires me to remember which partition is which. Possibly fine for
 programmers and hardware techs, but not so nice for users.

This is the core of the problem. You're asking for specialized treatment for
fstab. It might be doable. OK, so that goes in, and the next question is,
what about rc.conf, and modules.d/alsa, and, and, and...
Someone else pointed out that there is no standard format to config files in
Unix. That's why this question is not easily, maybe at all, solvable. Maybe
with some sort of plugin architecture, where each package supplies its own
config updater for etc-update to run. But inevitably those updaters are
going to have bugs. So people will have to check their configs after they're
updated, and really, how much more time does it take to merge them by hand
than just checking whether the merge was done correctly?

  that the automated tools don't do what you want them
  to--and now people are suggesting that fstab get run through *sed*??

 I don't know 'sed' and didn't suggest anything about it, even though I
 know you're just making an example.
Sorry, this was my poor attempt to address half a dozen posts without
responding to each of them--it wasn't really directed at you.

 I do think that some sort of editor that would show the changes side by
 side would be an improvement, but I don't know what tools would do that
 today.
This is exactly what merge interactively does. I think it's option 3 once
you've selected a file to update. Someone else posted a more detailed
explanation.


I think the real problem that this has pointed out is that people expect
etc-update to update config files for you. It doesn't. It doesn't even
*try*.
Used to be that Portage just printed something like: There are config files
to be updated! use find -name .__cfg* to find them. Well, people weren't
too happy with that. Surprise. So someone wrote etc-update, which basically
did the find for you and gave you a couple options on how to handle the new
one--delete the update, blindly accept the changes, or merge them with a
diff command. But etc-update was in gentoolkit, and newbies never found it.
And then they posted annoying messages to lists and groups about how stupid
having to find config files manually was. So etc-update was moved into the
portage package, and the help message was updated to mention it instead.

So that brings us to today, where we have messages (these are the most
recent in a long series of how -5 clobbered my system) about how stupid
etc-update is. Well, yeah. It's not supposed to be smart. You're supposed to
be. But OTOH, I'd say that it's sort of a documentation bug that this isn't
explained very clearly anywhere, and I guess auto-merge is not obviously
synonymous with DESTROY YOUR CONFIG FILES!! BAHAHAHAHAH!!'. Maybe someone
should write a config file manual for the user docs section. But there's not
anything wrong with etc-update, just with people's understanding of how it
should be used.

Hope that clears things up.
-Heschi

(PS: Mark: I may write angry-sounding emails, but generally that's just my
style. If I'm really frustrated I don't write anything at all. No hard
feelings on my side--I wrote because I thought your points, and other
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: etc-update and fstab...

2003-08-03 Thread Spider
begin  quote
On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 13:56:03 -0500
Steven Elling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I don't think passwd should be updated by etc-update.

Neither Do I.  But that doesn't mean that you shouldn't get it, since
portage -shouldnt- try to be smart on what files are suggested to
update and not, but just do its thing, leaving such decisions to root,
who is capable of doing them.

portage will not remove a modified configfile (passwd) but will allow
emerge baselayout, if you tell it to.Trying to be smart in cases
like this will only lead to confusion and complexity.

using etc-update is -optional- and a lot of people don't use it, some
use another system (I know of one script which used vimdiff for
example, I've seen others with diffstat.) 

 
 OK.  But as I stated in an earlier post, you cannot count on the
 user's system having the same mount / dump options or mount points. 
 Neither can you count on a user's system using the same devices for
 the filesystems.  I use SCSI in some system and IDE in others, plus,
 swap space is the first patition on my drives.


that is why our default fstab has /dev/ROOT and /dev/BOOT, stopping such
problematic things from happening.  Unfortunately people still think
that /dev/ROOT is a great harddrive to use, and thus assign it.



 
 Now, I'm not saying that updates to fstab shouldn't be made.  I'm just
 
 saying the updates should be presented to the user in a different way.
it is, its presented as /etc/._cfg.fstab


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Re: [gentoo-user] 2.4.19 headers?

2003-08-03 Thread Spider
begin  quote
On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 13:04:01 +0100 (WEST)
Jorge Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


   a) The headers that were present when glibc was compiled
   (regardless of  what kernel was used to compile it and what kernel
   one is using now)?

--
 I wouldn't dream of doing that!
 So, a) is the answer to my question. Right?

Yes, that is correct.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Enabeling hyperthreading

2003-08-03 Thread Michael Gruetzner
Alexandru N. Barloiu wrote:
start by compiling kernel with smp support.

This is what I tried first. Sorry, I forgot to mention that.


On Sun, 2003-08-03 at 19:54, Michael Gruetzner wrote:

Hello,

I've got a Pentium4 mPGA478 and I'd like to enable hyperthreading. The 
output of dmesg tells me, that hyperthreading is disabled and smp 
motherboard not found. My motherboard is a Fujitsu-Siemens D1527 with 
hyperthreading support. According to /proc/cpuinfo the cpu should also 
support hyperthreading(the ht flag is set).
What do I have to do to enable hyperthreading?

Thanks
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Re: [gentoo-user] 2.4.19 headers?

2003-08-03 Thread Jorge Almeida
On Sun, 3 Aug 2003, Spider wrote:

 begin  quote
 On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 13:04:01 +0100 (WEST)
 Jorge Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
a) The headers that were present when glibc was compiled
(regardless of  what kernel was used to compile it and what kernel
one is using now)?
 
 --
  I wouldn't dream of doing that!
  So, a) is the answer to my question. Right?
 
 Yes, that is correct.
 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Enabeling hyperthreading

2003-08-03 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
Michael Gruetzner wrote:
I've got a Pentium4 mPGA478 and I'd like to enable hyperthreading. The 
output of dmesg tells me, that hyperthreading is disabled and smp 
motherboard not found. My motherboard is a Fujitsu-Siemens D1527 with 
hyperthreading support. According to /proc/cpuinfo the cpu should also 
support hyperthreading(the ht flag is set).
What do I have to do to enable hyperthreading?
Don't know about your particular board, but usually you have to enable 
HT somewhere below OS level. It'll either be a BIOS option or (less 
likely) a jumper on the motherboard somewhere -- don't know if you have 
the motherboard manual? Once you've done that you should see two virtual 
CPUs in /proc/cpuinfo.

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[gentoo-user] Re: 2.4.19 headers?

2003-08-03 Thread Martin Gramatke
Spider wrote:

 begin  quote
 On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 13:04:01 +0100 (WEST)
 Jorge Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
   a) The headers that were present when glibc was compiled
   (regardless of  what kernel was used to compile it and what kernel
   one is using now)?

 So, a) is the answer to my question. Right?

 Yes, that is correct.

This does not really enlighten me. What does 'were present' mean? I assume
you mean 'were used'. But then I still don't know which one these are. A
self-contained kernel-header ebuild, possibly of a fixed version dependend
on the glibc ebuild version? Or is it a collection of headers inside the
glibc ebuild itself? Or are these the headers that /usr/src/linux links to?

In the first case, we should better rebuild the glibc after the recent
kernel header update, isn't it? Except it was a very minor update.

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Re: [gentoo-user] mozilla firebird confusion

2003-08-03 Thread Dhruba Bandopadhyay
Anupam Kapoor wrote:
hi all,
on my gentoo installation, there seems to be 4 mozilla-firebird
ebuilds. most of the names are intuitive. but can you tell me the
difference between
   net-www/MozillaFirebird and
   net-www/mozilla-firebird ?
tia
anupam
There are three Mozilla Firebird applications in portage.

(1) mozilla-firebird :- build most recent milestone from source
(2) mozilla-firebird-bin :- extract most recent milestone from binary 
package
(3) mozilla-firebird-cvs :- build most recent cvs (development) code 
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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -uDp world

2003-08-03 Thread Dhruba Bandopadhyay
Tobias Olsson wrote:
Why does portage want to emerge package which I do not have installed
That's easy.  Simple answer: use flags.

Emerge ufed and run it to select and deselect use flags to your liking. 
 Turn off gnome (and maybe gtk,gtk2) if you don't wish to use it and it 
won't install new gnome packages.

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Re: [gentoo-user] 2.4.19 headers?

2003-08-03 Thread Ian Truelsen
On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 22:03:20 +0200
Spider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 begin  quote
 On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 13:04:01 +0100 (WEST)
 Jorge Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
a) The headers that were present when glibc was compiled
(regardless of  what kernel was used to compile it and what
kernel one is using now)?
 
 --
  I wouldn't dream of doing that!
  So, a) is the answer to my question. Right?
 
 Yes, that is correct.
 
If the kernel headers are updated, say from 2.4.18 to 2.4.19-r1, as is
my case, do I need to rebuild glibc, or anything, to avoid
unpleasantness?

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Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-sources

2003-08-03 Thread Dhruba Bandopadhyay
Ralph F. De Witt wrote:
On Saturday 02 August 2003 07:36 pm, Heschi Kreinick wrote:

Does anyone know when the gento-sources 2.4.21 will come out?
When it's ready. In the meantime you can use pfeifer-sources, which is the
development branch for gentoo-sources.
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Personal I think we should not persue a 2.4.21 kernel, but should be working 
on a 2.6 kernel so that it will be ready when it reach release status. Since 
we are progressing so slowly on 2.4.21 I think resources would be better 
spent on 2.6.
That's just plain silly.  It is impossible to gather, create or apply 
arrange desired patches onto a 2.6 kernel before the code has been 
finalised and frozen into a milestone.  It's asking someone to work with 
a kernel that doesn't exist.  Any patches prepared now may be utterly 
useless later on.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: 2.4.19 headers?

2003-08-03 Thread Spider
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On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 22:39:25 +0200
Martin Gramatke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A not so good evening.


 This does not really enlighten me.
Frankly I'm not sure its even within my power to enlighten you.  


  What does 'were present' mean? 
it means, present. As in being located in /usr/include/linux at the time
of the time of  emerge  glibc .

 I assume you mean 'were used'. 
Are used.  glibc doesn't care about what the linux headers are. Things
that depend on glibc however, do at build-time. This is why you should
have consistency between the OS headers (linux in this case) and the
glibc.



 But then I still don't know which  one  these are. A self-contained
 kernel-header ebuild, possibly of a fixed version dependend on the
 glibc ebuild version?

Would you ever to read the previous parts the question is about the
package called linux-headers of which would give the impression it is
infact headers from the linux kernel existing in a self contained
ebuild.


  Or is it a collection  of headers inside the  glibc ebuild itself? 
No.

 Or are these the headers that /usr/src/linux  links to?
Where did /usr/src/linux come into the discussion?   the linux-headers
have -NOTHING- to do with the usr/src/linux files. They are far to
moving a target for care here.



 In the first case, we should better rebuild the glibc after the recent
 kernel header update, isn't it? Except it was a very minor update.

Were you ever to read a ChangeLog you would realize that the actual data
contained inside the linux-headers did not at any point change, the
build was updated to provide a virtual/os-headers Which is necessary for
future versatility in the operating system.



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Re: [gentoo-user] NFS problems

2003-08-03 Thread Brian Richardson
On July 31, 2003 12:30 pm, Christopher Egner wrote:
 Now I would assume the (everyone) means what it says, everyone can
 access it. However when I do:

 mount fanny:/vol/data/home /mnt/home

 I get:
 mount: RPC: Authentication error; why = Client credential too weak

 Are there settings that might be misconfigured or something that I need
 to change anywhere?

I remember that the default settings for NFS under NetBSD used encryption that 
would only allow NFS mounting by other NetBSD machines. You had to turn off 
encryption to allow another platform that did not use encrypted NFS (eg. 
Linux).

HTH,
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Re: [gentoo-user] 2.4.19 headers?

2003-08-03 Thread Spider

 If the kernel headers are updated, say from 2.4.18 to 2.4.19-r1, as is
 my case, do I need to rebuild glibc, or anything, to avoid
 unpleasantness?
 
That should not be necessary, I assume whoever was responsible for that
will have tested it thoroughly.

The problems you may percieve are not with glibc per-se  (it doesn't
matter what kernel it has or whatelse) but with possible inconsistencies
between the glibc headers and the linux headers.  (You really want them
to report the same SIGNAME for things)



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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: etc-update and fstab...

2003-08-03 Thread Mark Knecht
On Sun, 2003-08-03 at 12:54, Heschi Kreinick wrote:
 
  It requires me to remember which partition is which. Possibly fine for
  programmers and hardware techs, but not so nice for users.
 
 This is the core of the problem. You're asking for specialized treatment for
 fstab. It might be doable. OK, so that goes in, and the next question is,
 what about rc.conf, and modules.d/alsa, and, and, and...

Yes, I agree with your points completely. Absolutely! However I still
think that possibly a -5 on /etc/fstab shouldn't be allowed to happen at
all as the machine can become highly nonfunctional. I'd suggest, as an
outgrowth of this conversation, that maybe that file specifically should
be skipped when using -5. That would be no worse than not doing
etc-update at all, which it seems is many people's answer to this
problem.

Beyond that a -3 on fstab could have some special messages about being
careful. That's pretty minimal programming (I think!) and would help
protect, but not stop, newbies like me from hosing things up too badly.

(Am I getting beyond newbie status if I've fixed this problem twice and
now know not to do this, as well as having a backup plan just n case I
do?) ;-) 

Even today I could not understand, as we are having this conversation,
why the etc-update process was so fixated on replacing my hand crafted
fstab file with one that had no new changes and removed all my system
information, replacing it with things that were simply not true about my
hardware. It seemed timely to see that one more time.

As for rc.conf or modules.d/alsa, neither (to the best of my knowledge)
make the machine nonfunctional. Good backups, or even just a copy of
/etc which is about all I'm doing now to get around this problem, would
allow a user to fix things.


 So that brings us to today, where we have messages (these are the most
 recent in a long series of how -5 clobbered my system) about how stupid
 etc-update is. Well, yeah. It's not supposed to be smart. You're supposed to
 be. 

I think this is a great point, but if left at this point will never
remove the -5 clobbered my system messages. There will always be new
users. etc-update and modules-update as Gentoo specific AFAIK actions
and new users will trip a lot in the beginning.


 Hope that clears things up.
 -Heschi
 
 (PS: Mark: I may write angry-sounding emails, but generally that's just my
 style. If I'm really frustrated I don't write anything at all. No hard
 feelings on my side--I wrote because I thought your points, and other
 people's, were worth addressing.)

And I thank you for that!

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Re: [gentoo-user] Enabeling hyperthreading

2003-08-03 Thread Michael Gruetzner
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Michael Gruetzner wrote:

I've got a Pentium4 mPGA478 and I'd like to enable hyperthreading. The 
output of dmesg tells me, that hyperthreading is disabled and smp 
motherboard not found. My motherboard is a Fujitsu-Siemens D1527 with 
hyperthreading support. According to /proc/cpuinfo the cpu should also 
support hyperthreading(the ht flag is set).
What do I have to do to enable hyperthreading?


Don't know about your particular board, but usually you have to enable 
HT somewhere below OS level. It'll either be a BIOS option or (less 
likely) a jumper on the motherboard somewhere -- don't know if you have 
the motherboard manual? Once you've done that you should see two virtual 
CPUs in /proc/cpuinfo.

I also heard about that and so I looked in my Bios(Phoenix) but I 
couldn't find such an option.

Michael


HTH,


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[gentoo-user] xmodmap problem

2003-08-03 Thread Jorge Almeida
I have a nasty keyboard problem. I had KEYMAP=us in /etc/rc.conf, and 
changed it to KEYMAP=pt-latin1. I didn't use the US layout without 
changes (I need accents and stuff like that), and I don't want to use the 
portuguese layout (which is a crap). What I did before, and would like to 
keep doing, is to customize some keys to my liking, via xmodmap. In 
particular, I 
want to get rid of the KeyCaps key and use it as ModeSwitcher. This worked 
before, but not any longer: I keep facing a unwelcome KeyCaps key. What is 
puzzling is that xev agrees with the wanted behavior and not with the 
actual behavior! According to xev, the key with keycode 66 (the one just 
under tab and above shift) should work as ModeSwitcher:

KeyRelease event, serial 27, synthetic NO, window 0x2a1,
root 0x48, subw 0x0, time 4424081, (71,695), root:(74,724),
state 0x2, keycode 66 (keysym 0xff7e, Mode_switch), same_screen YES,
XLookupString gives 0 bytes:  

My .bashrc has a line 
  xmodmap $HOME/.Xmodmap
, where .Xmodmap contains:
(...)
clear Lock
keycode 66 = Mode_switch
(...)

Any idea? Or anyone knows of some good documentation about keyboard 
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Re: [gentoo-user] etc-update and fstab...

2003-08-03 Thread Sean Johnson
I don't know how feasible it'd be, but I think if the files that are
getting updated could be contextually grouped that that could help quite
a bit.

So instead of having the list of 25 config files, there are sections A B
and C where A is something like system files, be very careful here, B
is startup files, you can safely update all of these, and C
application files, depending on your configuration you may want to be
careful here.

The trick would be being able to select -5 for group B, then -3 for
group C, and then hand walk group A, or some such combination.

Anyway, just a thought. If this isn't doable with the current structure,
feel free to toss it aside.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: etc-update and fstab...

2003-08-03 Thread Collins Richey
On 03 Aug 2003 11:17:55 -0700
Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[ Lot of stuff snipped ]

I agree with a lot of stuff on both sides of the argument.  I have
raised this issue in the past.

1) the current etc-update is a big improvement over past versions.

2) Yes, Gentoo is a distro for those at least somewhat familiar with
sysadmin techniques, but it could become somewhat more user friendly
with respect to updating config files without any harm.  Remarks like
you have the wrong distro if you're not an expert like me don't really
help anyone, but only confirm the snobbishness of the author.

3) Emerging changes to a lot of run scripts and miscellaneous X scripts
that are seldomed modified as a normal rule is one thing, but it is
absolute bloody nonsense ever to provide a file that would allow users
to inavertently overlay fstab, passwd, users, or anything else that
would prevent a successful boot.  All it takes is one wrong
keystroke, and you're hosed.

4) There really needs to be a standard mechanism that notifies users
when a critical config file update is necessary and prompts the user
to make the changes manually. The etc-update procedure could be trained
to look for files like .*_fix_etc_fstab (or some such naming convention)
which files would describe the necessary changes and their reasoning.

Just my $.02.

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[gentoo-user] Realtek 8139 not detected at bootup

2003-08-03 Thread Mark Fisher
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Im trying to install gentoo on a new box for a m8.  While ive installed gentoo 
many times previously, I havent come across this particular kind of problem.

The box is a Shuttle sv24 with an on-board realtek 8139 NIC.  The LiveCD [with 
no special options passed] detects the card on IRQ11 and uses the 8139too 
module quite happily.  The 2 USB hub's are also detected on the same IRQ.

For the install, I selected both the realtek 8139too and 8139cp modules just 
in case.  Unfortunately when booting the new install, gentoo doesnt say 
anything about eth0.  When I manually insmod the driver or attempt to assign 
an IP to the device, it say's the device is unknown/not found.

Looking carefully at the dmesg output however, there is a section about 
conflicting devices on IRQ 11 [and it lists the usb drivers loaded], so I 
tried disabled the usb hub in the bios [the keyb/mouse are ps2] but this 
didnt seem to help.

The only other message that seemed to be of any relevance was 'ds: no socket 
driver found' - but after carefully checking the kernel options to that of 2 
other gentoo boxen I have, I cant see anything obvious which could be causing 
the problem.

Like I said, I get the impression its an IRQ-level problem as opposed to a 
driver-level problem, as the hardware isnt even detected, so how can a driver 
talk to it?  For the record I have double and triple checked that the 'allow 
shared irq's' in menuconfig is checked :P

TIA :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-sources

2003-08-03 Thread Norberto BENSA
gabriel wrote:
 On August 2, 2003 07:44 pm, Svein Harald Soleim wrote:
  Does anyone know when the gento-sources 2.4.21 will come out?

 the answer is, as always: when it's ready.

Next question: when will it be ready? :-)

I'm using pfeifer-sources-2.4.21-pre4 for now.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Realtek 8139 not detected at bootup

2003-08-03 Thread William Kenworthy
Most bios allow you to allocate an IRQ for legacy drivers.  Try and
allocate IRQ11 to the realtek, and the bios should move the USB
elsewhere.  This seems to happen occaisionally on older boards - newer
ones tend to work fine.

BillK

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 Im trying to install gentoo on a new box for a m8.  While ive installed gentoo 
 many times previously, I havent come across this particular kind of problem.
 
 The box is a Shuttle sv24 with an on-board realtek 8139 NIC.  The LiveCD [with 
 no special options passed] detects the card on IRQ11 and uses the 8139too 
 module quite happily.  The 2 USB hub's are also detected on the same IRQ.
 
 For the install, I selected both the realtek 8139too and 8139cp modules just 
 in case.  Unfortunately when booting the new install, gentoo doesnt say 
 anything about eth0.  When I manually insmod the driver or attempt to assign 
 an IP to the device, it say's the device is unknown/not found.
 
 Looking carefully at the dmesg output however, there is a section about 
 conflicting devices on IRQ 11 [and it lists the usb drivers loaded], so I 
 tried disabled the usb hub in the bios [the keyb/mouse are ps2] but this 
 didnt seem to help.
 
 The only other message that seemed to be of any relevance was 'ds: no socket 
 driver found' - but after carefully checking the kernel options to that of 2 
 other gentoo boxen I have, I cant see anything obvious which could be causing 
 the problem.
 
 Like I said, I get the impression its an IRQ-level problem as opposed to a 
 driver-level problem, as the hardware isnt even detected, so how can a driver 
 talk to it?  For the record I have double and triple checked that the 'allow 
 shared irq's' in menuconfig is checked :P
 
 TIA :)
 
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Re: [gentoo-user] cups-1.1.19-r1, etc.

2003-08-03 Thread Ernie Schroder
On Saturday 02 August 2003 06:28 pm, Collins Richey wrote:
 On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 22:20:48 +0100

 Peter Ruskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Saturday 02 Aug 2003 22:21, Collins Richey wrote:
   New versions of cups, ghostscript, gimp-print, foomatic... have
   been released. Has anyone tried them, and does cups still work?
 
  Yes, they work OK here

 Thanks.


They work fine though, the print option disappeared from the gimp until 
I rebooted. I think that restarting cupsd would have taken care of that 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Realtek 8139 not detected at bootup

2003-08-03 Thread Denny Schierz
hi,

try to disable the pnp option in the bios, in most cases it solves the
problem.

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 Im trying to install gentoo on a new box for a m8.  While ive installed gentoo 
 many times previously, I havent come across this particular kind of problem.

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Re: [gentoo-user] etc-update and fstab...

2003-08-03 Thread David Mallwitz
On Sunday 03 August 2003 05:36 pm, Ian Tindale wrote:
 I'd like some sort of flag system which says to etc-update:
 I've chosen to alter this file myself before, at some point in time
 or
 I've never touched this file in my life before, in fact, I didn't
 know it even existed.

 Of course, it's not a foolproof system - it wouldn't catch files that
 I have indirectly altered using Webmin, for example, but it would go
 some way.

chattr +i filename is your friend.

I started doing this awhile back when etc-update decided that one of the 
'trvial changes' it was going to make before asking me for input 
overwrote /usr/lib/sasl2/smtpd.conf on my mail server.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: etc-update and fstab...

2003-08-03 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Sunday 03 August 2003 20:33, Spider wrote:
 begin  quote
 On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 12:50:42 +0200

 Thorsten Kampe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  This is in fact the point it is all about. There is no sense in
  updating fstab or /etc/passwd so these types of files should be
  always omitted. Another possibility would be to have etc-update issue
  a red warning when used with -5.

 thats the point of being root. It allows you to do stupid things without
 getting in your way.


 But, I digress.  passwd should be updated, at least until we get a very
 solid account management scheme with UID:name assignations to add,
 since, there is a point in sometimes updating system services ( forking
 out more basic stuff to users other than root for example)

Actually, ebuild's use the command enewuser to add users. Those users which 
are added are never removed automatically. Here's the line from quake3 for 
example:

enewuser q3 -1 /bin/bash /opt/quake3 ${GAMES_GROUP}

As to the automation of merging changes, it seems most people use -3 to update 
files they are interested in and then -5 for files they aren't. It would seem 
to me that the files that root hasn't touched are known to portage through 
the /var/db/pkg/section/package/CONTENTS file. Perhaps, -5 should be run 
automatically on files that haven't been touched? Or better yet, emerge 
should only protect config files which have changed.

Just my $0.02.

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[gentoo-user] sys-kernel/linux-headers-2.4.19-r1

2003-08-03 Thread blade-
Hi all, I am updating world at the moment, it is upgrading kernel 
headers from sys-kernel/linux-headers-2.4.19 to 
sys-kernel/linux-headers-2.4.19-r1.
I have vanilla-sources 2.4.21, why does it use 2.4.19 headers, and if it 
is a security fix or something as i saw something about a kernel 
security risk the other day, will I have to re-compile my kernel for it 
to take effect.

Thanks.

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[gentoo-user] Re: etc-update and fstab...

2003-08-03 Thread Heribert Slama
On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 15:54:37 -0400, in gmane.linux.gentoo.user,
Heschi Kreinick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Just a few remarks on selected issues:

 [..]
... So people will have to check their configs after they're
updated, and really, how much more time does it take to merge them by hand
than just checking whether the merge was done correctly?

My latest #emerge -u system threw **58** config files at me:- I
had to check every item; about 30 files belonged to X and were never
customized - but this had to be verified (easy but boringsigh).
For the remaining files I used an editor.


[]
 Maybe someone
should write a config file manual for the user docs section. But there's not
anything wrong with etc-update, just with people's understanding of how it
should be used.

The missing doc is what's wrong with etc-update. Maybe using a
difference editor as the default choice instead of sdiff, would make
things easier for newcomers.

Best regards,
-Heribert

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[gentoo-user] OT: Gimp printing

2003-08-03 Thread Ernie Schroder
Hi All, 
I have some layouts in tiff and jpeg format that I want to print 
full size with gimp. They are about 10 1/2 inches square and gimp will 
not let me print to a scale that would not fit between my margins. I 
can overcome this by cropping the images and taping them together but 
this is a royal pain. It would seem that the gimp should allow me to 
set any scale I want for printing. Does anyone know what I'm not 
seeing?
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[gentoo-user] Re: etc-update and fstab...

2003-08-03 Thread Heribert Slama
On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 16:26:55 -0600, in gmane.linux.gentoo.user,
Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[..]

4) There really needs to be a standard mechanism that notifies users
when a critical config file update is necessary and prompts the user
to make the changes manually. [..]

The first run of #emerge pkg should install nothing but a Memo to
User (text file) and display it. Emerge knows the versions
installed and could include only as much hints as needed for the
intended version jump. Today, I'm forced to remember a feature in a
GWN issued weeks or months ago.

Best regards,
-Heribert

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[gentoo-user] Re: etc-update and fstab...

2003-08-03 Thread Heribert Slama
On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 13:56:03 -0500, in gmane.linux.gentoo.user,
Steven Elling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[..]

I don't think passwd should be updated by etc-update.  For one, would a 
system administrator edit the passwd file to add or delete a user, system 
or daemon account or replace it completely?  I know I wouldn't because of 
the inherent danger in doing so.  As a system administrator, I try to avoid 
editing the passwd and group files manually and use useradd, userdel, 
usermod, groupadd, groupdel, groupmod, etc. instead.

ACK. But once came in a new group (+passwd) file with an enlarged
set of standard group names (gid  1000). One of these names had
already been in the previous file but with a different gid (IRC it
was 'slocate'; luckily only 2 items in the filesystem needed special
treatment, to get the right gid number into their inodes.)


Best regards,
-Heribert

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Re: [gentoo-user] sys-kernel/linux-headers-2.4.19-r1

2003-08-03 Thread Renat Golubchyk
Hi!

On Monday 04 August 2003 03:08, blade- wrote:
 Hi all, I am updating world at the moment, it is upgrading kernel
 headers from sys-kernel/linux-headers-2.4.19 to
 sys-kernel/linux-headers-2.4.19-r1.
 I have vanilla-sources 2.4.21, why does it use 2.4.19 headers, and if it
 is a security fix or something as i saw something about a kernel
 security risk the other day, will I have to re-compile my kernel for it
 to take effect.

 Thanks.

There was a thread on this just recently. Check the archived version here:
http://news.gmane.org/onethread.php?group=gmane.linux.gentoo.userroot=%3C200308021535.01996.khindenburg%40cherrynebula.net%3E

If you can't copy the link (because it's too long) here is the first message 
of the thread:
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/41976


Cheers,
Renat


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[gentoo-user] pyzor spamassassin

2003-08-03 Thread Jonathan Nichols
Anybody managed to get the two working fine from the ebuilds? I'm having 
problems with pyzor right now..

spamd[20383]: [debug] Found Razor2 part: part=0 noresponse
spamd[20383]: [debug] leaving helper-app run mode
spamd[20383]: [debug] Razor2 results: spam? 0  highest cf score: 0
spamd[20383]: [debug] executable for pyzor was found at /usr/bin/pyzor
spamd[20383]: [debug] Pyzor is available: /usr/bin/pyzor
spamd[20383]: [debug] entering helper-app run mode
spamd[20383]: [debug] Pyzor: got response: Traceback (most recent call 
last):
spamd[20383]: [debug] leaving helper-app run mode
spamd[20383]: [debug] Pyzor: couldn't grok response Traceback (most 
recent call last):

Checked permissions/etc. Error still happening. Googled. Tried stuff 
that worked before (permissions, running pyzor discover etc).. still 
broken.
pyzor works ok from the command line.

Anybody seen this? :)
-jonathan
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[gentoo-user] Error building kdelibs-3.1.3

2003-08-03 Thread D.J. Bolderman
I'm trying to upgrade kde 3.1.2 to 3.1.3, but something goes wrong
with kdelibs:

/bin/sh ../../libtool --silent --mode=link --tag=CXX g++
-Wnon-virtual-dtor -Wno-long-long -Wundef -Wall -pedantic -W
-Wpointer-arith -Wwrite-strings -ansi -D_XOPEN_SOURCE=500
-D_BSD_SOURCE -Wcast-align -Wconversion -DNDEBUG -DNO_DEBUG -O2
-march=athlon-tbird -O3 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-exceptions
-fno-check-new  -DQT_NO_TRANSLATION -DQT_CLEAN_NAMESPACE
-DQT_NO_ASCII_CAST -DQT_NO_COMPAT-o kio_http.la.closure
kio_http_la_closure.lo -L/usr/X11R6/lib -L/usr/qt/3/lib
-L/usr/kde/3.1/lib  -module -avoid-version -module -no-undefined -R
/usr/kde/3.1/lib -R /usr/qt/3/lib -R /usr/X11R6/lib  http.lo
httpfilter.lo ../../kio/libkio.la -lz 
.libs/http.o: file not recognized: File format not recognized
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[4]: *** [kio_http.la.closure] Error 1
make[4]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs
make[4]: Leaving directory
`/var/tmp/portage/kdelibs-3.1.3/work/kdelibs-3.1.3/kioslave/http'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/var/tmp/portage/kdelibs-3.1.3/work/kdelibs-3.1.3/kioslave/http'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/var/tmp/portage/kdelibs-3.1.3/work/kdelibs-3.1.3/kioslave'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/var/tmp/portage/kdelibs-3.1.3/work/kdelibs-3.1.3'
make: *** [all] Error 2

Ehmm...anyone experiencing this too ?

Thanks,
Dick




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Re: [gentoo-user] Error building kdelibs-3.1.3

2003-08-03 Thread Kurt V. Hindenburg
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On Sunday 03 August 2003 11:09 pm, D.J. Bolderman wrote:
| I'm trying to upgrade kde 3.1.2 to 3.1.3, but something goes wrong
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I upgraded tot 3.1.3 last week.  I didn't have any problems compiling.

CFLAGS=-march=athlon -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer

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[gentoo-user] eth0 problems after installing gentoo 1.4rc4

2003-08-03 Thread Farrell Farahbod
first, i have used linux for close to five years, but this is the first
time i have tried any distro other than redhat. :) i know a fair amount
about linux, and i have compiled programs before, but i am not an
expert, as you will probably realize by the end of this email :)

so on to the problem.

i successfully installed gentoo linux 1.4rc4, and its on a dual boot
pc... redhat9/gentoo. i installed it from a stage2 tarball, and had it
optimized for my athlon-xp cpu. the live cd worked perfectly with my
nic, all i had to do was boot with gentoo nodhcp and run net-setup
eth0 to configure my nic, as i have a static IP. it seems my nic uses
the 8139too kernel module, as lsmod on the live cd, and on redhat9,
both seemed to use that module. i did what the gentoo install docs said,
putting a line containing 8139too to /etc/modules.autoload, edited
/etc/conf.d/net to have my ip, gateway, etc all in it as it's
in-document comments told me to, and edited /etc/hosts, /etc/hostname
/etc/dnsdomainname, etc...here are my settings:

Static IP: 192.168.1.105
Network Device: eth0
Gateway: 192.168.1.1 (a linksys router--NOT performing dns services)
Broadcast: 192.168.1.255
Netmask: 255.255.255.0
DNS: 64.105.166.122 (NOTE: this is NOT a personal dns...it does NOT
cover my home lan...its from my isp.)

the problem is, i cant ping anothing but my mechine. ping localhost/ping
192.168.1.105 work, but ping 192.168.1.1/ping google.com don't work! i
dont know what is causing this! :/

after tring to seek help in #gentoo on irc.freenode.net, i didn't have
any success.

i am not sure if this is my problem, but when i run route on gentoo,
it prints this:

Kernel IP Routing Table
DestinationGateway  Genmask Flags  Metic Ref Use Iface
192.168.1.0*  255.255.255.0 U0  00   
eth0
loopbacklocalhost   255.0.0.0   UG  0  00lo
default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG  1  00   
eth0

shouldn't the top entry by 192.168.1.1not 192.168.1.0??

also, when i am shown the login screen, it says: This is farrell.(none)
(Linux i686...) but it should read farrell.freemans.org! :( farrell is
my hostname, freemans.org is the domainname in my home LAN (NOT on the
internet!) i set /etc/hostname, and /etc/dnsdomain correctly...at least
as best i can tell. and i setup /etc/hosts correctly, afaik.

here are two screenshots (literally ^_-) of my screen showing this, in
case you don't quite get what i was saying earlier about route, my
hostname, etc:

http://reblended.com/www/upgrdman/01.jpg
http://reblended.com/www/upgrdman/02.jpg

and lastly, here is my /etc/conf.d/net file:

# /etc/conf.d/net:
# $Header: /home/cvsroot/gentoo-src/rc-scripts/etc/conf.d/net,v 1.7
2002/11/18 19:39:22 azarah Exp $
 
# Global config file for net.* rc-scripts
 
# This is basically the ifconfig argument without the ifconfig $iface
#
iface_eth0=192.168.1.105 broadcast 192.168.1.255 netmask 255.255.255.0
#iface_eth1=207.170.82.202 broadcast 207.0.255.255 netmask 255.255.0.0
 
# For DHCP set iface_eth? to dhcp
# For passing options to dhcpcd use dhcpcd_eth?
#
#iface_eth0=dhcp
#dhcpcd_eth0=...
 
# For adding aliases to a interface
#
#alias_eth0=192.168.0.3 192.168.0.4
 
# NB:  The next is only used for aliases.
#
# To add a custom netmask/broadcast address to created aliases,
# uncomment and change accordingly.  Leave commented to assign
# defaults for that interface.
#
#broadcast_eth0=192.168.0.255 192.168.0.255
#netmask_eth0=255.255.255.0 255.255.255.0
 
 
# For setting the default gateway
#
gateway=eth0/192.168.1.1
 

thanks,

farrell farahbod


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[gentoo-user] emerge error

2003-08-03 Thread Stephen Turner
hey im having trouble, ive been rsyncing for 3-4 days now and still come
up with a bad perl package which seems to stop me from updating, :( ive
run this box for quite some time so not sure if that matters anyways i
attatched the output if you need one where i also try to emerge -U let me
know, thanks for any help you can give! great distro!

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These are the packages that I would merge, in order:

Calculating world dependencies    ...done!
[ebuild  N   ] sys-devel/gnuconfig-20030708  
[ebuildU ] sys-devel/patch-2.5.9 [2.5.4-r5] 
[ebuildU ] sys-devel/libtool-1.4.3-r1 [1.4.1-r10] 
[blocks B] dev-perl/File-Spec-0.84-r1 (from pkg dev-lang/perl-5.8.0-r12)
[ebuildU ] dev-lang/perl-5.8.0-r12 [5.8.0-r10] 
[ebuildU ] sys-apps/gawk-3.1.3 [3.1.2-r3] 
[ebuildU ] sys-kernel/linux-headers-2.4.19-r1 [2.4.19] 
[ebuildU ] sys-devel/automake-1.7.5-r2 [1.7.2] 
[ebuildU ] net-print/cups-1.1.19-r1 [1.1.19] 
[ebuildU ] app-text/ghostscript-7.05.6-r3 [7.05.6-r2] 
[ebuildU ] x11-wm/fvwm-2.4.16-r1 [2.4.14] 
[ebuild  N   ] dev-libs/nspr-4.3  
[ebuild  N   ] dev-libs/nss-3.8  
[ebuildU ] net-im/gaim-0.66-r3 [0.63-r1] 
[ebuildU ] x11-libs/qt-3.1.2-r4 [3.1.2-r3] 
[ebuildU ] gnome-base/ORBit2-2.6.2 [2.6.1] 
[ebuildU ] dev-perl/File-Spec-0.84-r1 [0.82] 
[ebuildU ] dev-perl/Test-Harness-2.28-r1 [2.28] 
[ebuildU ] dev-perl/PDL-2.4.0-r1 [2.4.0] 
[ebuildU ] sys-apps/hdparm-5.4 [5.3-r2] 


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Re: [gentoo-user] eth0 problems after installing gentoo 1.4rc4

2003-08-03 Thread Dan Foster
Hot Diggety! Farrell Farahbod was rumored to have written:
 first, i have used linux for close to five years, but this is the first
 time i have tried any distro other than redhat. :) i know a fair amount
 about linux, and i have compiled programs before, but i am not an
 expert, as you will probably realize by the end of this email :)

You're doing just fine.
 
 i am not sure if this is my problem, but when i run route on gentoo,
 it prints this:
 
 Kernel IP Routing Table
 DestinationGateway  Genmask Flags  Metic Ref Use Iface
 192.168.1.0*  255.255.255.0 U0  00   
 eth0
 loopbacklocalhost   255.0.0.0   UG  0  00lo
 default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG  1  00   
 eth0

Looks sane.
 
 shouldn't the top entry by 192.168.1.1not 192.168.1.0??

Nah, it's referring to a whole subnet, saying anything destined for an IP
in that /24 netblock will exit through eth0. This is necessary to make the
default route work properly.

The default route itself is pointed at 192.168.1.1, and the flags looks
fine.
 
 also, when i am shown the login screen, it says: This is farrell.(none)

That's a known bug with agetty, I believe... someone submitted a patch
for this on this mailing list a few weeks ago. Cosmetic but trivially
fixed if you apply the patch. Mail me if you need a copy of the email
with patch and installation instructions, if you can handle the patch
utility.

But first, double check the next suggestion (see below).

 (Linux i686...) but it should read farrell.freemans.org! :( farrell is
 my hostname, freemans.org is the domainname in my home LAN (NOT on the
 internet!) i set /etc/hostname, and /etc/dnsdomain correctly...at least
 as best i can tell. and i setup /etc/hosts correctly, afaik.

See if /etc/env.d/01hostname has the FQDN defined there.
 
 and lastly, here is my /etc/conf.d/net file:

Looks perfect.

So, considering your settings looks to be exactly as it should be...  I'm
going to guess that either it's a eth0 issue in some way OR it's a linksys
issue of some sort with NAT.

Just to double check -- you don't have ipchains or a similar firewall
utility loaded and enabled on your box?

Can you post the output of:

# ifconfig eth0

and

# lsmod 

Which kernel tree package are you using? gentoo-sources?

-Dan

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[gentoo-user] Bzip problem

2003-08-03 Thread Robert Arroyo i Andreu
Hello,

I have a problem with unpacking bzip2 packages.

# emerge -u portage
Calculating dependencies ...done!
 emerge (1 of 1) sys-apps/portage-2.0.48-r5 to /
 md5 src_uri ;-) portage-2.0.48-r5.tar.bz2
 Unpacking source...
 Unpacking portage-2.0.48-r5.tar.bz2 to 
/var/tmp/portage/portage-2.0.48-r5/work
tar: This does not look like a tar archive
tar: Skipping to next header
tar: Archive contains obsolescent base-64 headers
tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors

bzip2: I/O or other error, bailing out.  Possible reason follows.
bzip2: Broken pipe
Input file = /usr/portage/distfiles/portage-2.0.48-r5.tar.bz2, output 
file = (stdout)

!!! ERROR: sys-apps/portage-2.0.48-r5 failed.
!!! Function unpack, Line 294, Exitcode 2
!!! failure unpacking portage-2.0.48-r5.tar.bz2

I have deleted source, ebuilds, and dunno what to do

Thx,

Robert


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