Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
box wrote: > I see a lot of you using Gentoo as a desktop and using a different OS > for a server. > I use gentoo for my home server. It's safe as long as you don't touch glibc ;-) (I've been bitten by 2.3.2-r6 ... g... ) Regards, Norberto pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:16:09 -0500 box <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I see a lot of you using Gentoo as a desktop and using a different OS > for a server. > > Which is the best OS for a server? > Does anybody use Gentoo as a server? > Is *BSD better for server application? > > Just curious. > > > > On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 20:45, b stephen harding wrote: > > On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 07:47:58 -0400 > > Eric Livingston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I'm curious regarding the penetration of linux as a comprehensive > > > solution for all computing tasks in a normal day. i.e. what > > > percentage of Linux users are 100% linux, or even 100% Gentoo for > > > that matter. > > > > gentoo on my home desktop > > gentoo on my work IBM Thinkpad > > gentoo on my wifes destop > > Mitel SME on my home server I'd use gentoo as a server, but I lack the confidence to make it usable and secure. The choice of Mitel SME was pure out of convenience. -- bruce pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
I see a lot of you using Gentoo as a desktop and using a different OS for a server. Which is the best OS for a server? Does anybody use Gentoo as a server? Is *BSD better for server application? Just curious. On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 20:45, b stephen harding wrote: > On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 07:47:58 -0400 > Eric Livingston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm curious regarding the penetration of linux as a comprehensive > > solution for all computing tasks in a normal day. i.e. what percentage > > of Linux users are 100% linux, or even 100% Gentoo for that matter. > > gentoo on my home desktop > gentoo on my work IBM Thinkpad > gentoo on my wifes destop > Mitel SME on my home server -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 07:47:58 -0400 Eric Livingston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm curious regarding the penetration of linux as a comprehensive > solution for all computing tasks in a normal day. i.e. what percentage > of Linux users are 100% linux, or even 100% Gentoo for that matter. gentoo on my home desktop gentoo on my work IBM Thinkpad gentoo on my wifes destop Mitel SME on my home server -- bruce pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
031021 Tyler Cunningham wrote: > sadly Windows will remain as widly used as it is for >= 2 yr more. > so many people buy their computers from makers like Dell > and just use it for email, internet, word processing and video games. > Until major PC makers decide to start selling PCs with Linux pre-installed, > the majority just aren't going to use it. exactly: most people decide to "buy a new computer" & accept whatever OS they find in it, which today is nearly always M$. it won't be long, however, before the salesman tells them: "We've got this one with the latest Windows 2005 for CAD 900 & there's this other one with Linux for CAD 600 ... ". that's when baron Bill's goose wb finally cooked. > Mandrake is the closest to the perfect desktop distro for new users. > once they reach 10 they'll have all the little bugs & quirks worked out no, they'll replace the 9.2 bugs'n'quirks with 10.0 bugs'n'quirks, just as they've been doing since 6.1 (smile). i'm a 100 % Linux user. i suffered from govt cuts 1996-9 & was forced to rely on my trusty XT + a university IRIX system & missed the whole Windows 95 revolution. as soon as i could afford it, i built a fairly upto-date machine, installed Win98 + Office2000, which i never used, & almost at once installed Mandrake 6.2 , which did everything i was used to on the XT + IRIX & more. later, i updated to Mdk 8.2 , then 9.0 . during the past summer, i built another much faster machine & would have installed Mdk 9.2 , but they no longer publish it on the I/net right away. so faced with a 6 wk wait & having broadband & a hi-speed machine, i decided to have a go at Gentoo, which proved very easy to install & has the extra advantage that i have just those items i really want, not 2 K packages taking up 2,5 GB with things i never use. XFCE 4.0 won't be included in Mdk 9.2 & OO 1.1 only just made it: i have both compiled for my own hardware. Gentoo Linux is the future! -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
Andrej Kacian a écrit : Yes, and think about the perfection when Mandrake 95 will be released in future! I am 100% linux. My yesterday experience convinced me in fine. I just received a notebook, with Windblows XP installed (pre). Launched it just to see. Fine. It worked for 20 minutes and crashed, why I don't know. My answer to question "Do you want to send a report to Microsoft ?" was "20 minutes enough, tomorrow I'll put Linux on that box". I few hours later it was done. Just a problem with ACPI (see my previous thread)... Fabien -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:03:40 -0700 Tyler Cunningham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mandrake is the closest to the perfect desktop oriented distro for new > users. I think once they reach 10 they'll have all the little bugs and > quirks worked out and anyone will be able to use it. Yes, and think about the perfection when Mandrake 95 will be released in future! -- /~\ The ASCIIAndrej "Ticho" Kacian \ / Ribbon Campaign GnuPG public key ID: 7CD93FE2 (pgp.mit.edu) X Against HTML Key fingerprint: / \ Email! E87D 9DEF 2A23 6FFB 7AD9 542F 4253 3A46 7CD9 3FE2 "I don't understand that attitude. Don't we want email that has dancing bears, cute little videos, musical tunes, animated waving hands, sixty fonts, and looks like it's been done with crayolas? Good grief, man, think like a three year old!" -- Norm Reitzel discussing HTML email pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
At 01:03 AM 10/22/2003, you wrote: > I tend to differ with you Hall. As Linux gains in popularity, more > and more presently "windows only" software packages will be ported > over. In 2 or three years, I think anyone who wants to escape the > "evil empire will be able to do so easily. > Contrary to my signature, There is a Win98 box sitting on the floor > next to my desk. The only time I fire it up is for a high end CAD > program that a former employer supplied my with. If I wanted to spend > some big bucks, I could buy a comparable CAD app for Linux (Pro/E > Wildfire) but I don't have the cash to spare at this time. > Probably within a year, there will be an open source parametric CAD > application I check the as yet unnamed project's progress from time > to time) and I will be able to turn the 98 box into an entertainment > server. Who's making this secret CAD app ?? Mail me directly if you don't want to say it publically As for Pro/E on Linux, how long do you think PTC will remain in business ?? They're on shaky ground and have been for sometime. That's one reason my employer is exploring other 3D-modeling apps (we currently use Pro/E). Think AutoCAD will be ported to Linux anytime soon ?? It *is* THE 2D CAD application in the world. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
Hi guys, just a thought ... what about fighting this flamewar on IRC for instance. Gentoo HAS some IRC channels, I'm sure. It's annoying delete all this OT stuff from my list archive. Regards Frank Btw: Me: At home RedHat8, Gentoo - at work Redhat, Gentoo, Sloaris, SCO and some dedicated firewalls. Cant tell abnything about the percentage. Sure, some WindBlows too for some customers. Something about pro soft. There definitively is a lotalotalot out there, much is commercial, but for Linux available too. See SGI, Sun, IBM, and so on. ... but I'll nobody blame-shame if s/he's using the soft s/he's familiar with. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
As still a somewhat new Linux user (first installed it in June of this year), I think sadly Windows will remain as widly used as it is for at least a couple more years. More and more people are switching to Linux every day, which is great. But the fact of the matter is so many people buy their computers from makers like Dell and just use their computer for email, internet, word processing and video games. Yes Linux is up to the task of all of that (the gaming thing being the only limiting factor), people just see no reason to even think about something like Linux. Until Linux becomes a little more widely known and major PC makers decide to start selling PCs with Linux pre-installed, the majority just aren't going to use it. It is well on it's way to becoming a completely suitable replacement to Windows. Email and internet browsing is just the same, just different programs. Instant Messaging is just as good, if not better with GAIM and aMSN and such. Open Office is a perfect alternative to MS Office. MPlayer supports all the major media types and plays dvds. Linux has everything the desktop user needs, and I think that will start to be realized. I think Mandrake is the closest to the perfect desktop oriented distro for new users. I think once they reach 10 they'll have all the little bugs and quirks worked out and anyone will be able to use it. I'm really looking forward to the next few years of Linux and see how far it expands and reaches new people. Wow that was long, I'm done now... On 07:03 Wed 22 Oct , Jimmy Rosen wrote: > Hi, > I'd be interested in a link to the open source CAD app in development, if > you've got the time. > > Thanks > Jimmy > > > On Wednesday 22 October 2003 01.53, Ernie Schroder wrote: > > On Tuesday 21 October 2003 09:16 am, Hall Stevenson wrote: > > > > > > > I've been using (dual-booting ... :-) ) Linux and Windows (98, ME, > > > 2000, XP) for 5 years. I don't believe Linux will replace Windows > > > anytime soon. > > > > > > > > > Hall > > > > > > > > > -- > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > > > > I tend to differ with you Hall. As Linux gains in popularity, more > > and more presently "windows only" software packages will be ported > > over. In 2 or three years, I think anyone who wants to escape the > > "evil empire will be able to do so easily. > > Contrary to my signature, There is a Win98 box sitting on the floor > > next to my desk. The only time I fire it up is for a high end CAD > > program that a former employer supplied my with. If I wanted to spend > > some big bucks, I could buy a comparable CAD app for Linux (Pro/E > > Wildfire) but I don't have the cash to spare at this time. > > Probably within a year, there will be an open source parametric CAD > > application I check the as yet unnamed project's progress from time > > to time) and I will be able to turn the 98 box into an entertainment > > server. > > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > > -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
Hi, I'd be interested in a link to the open source CAD app in development, if you've got the time. Thanks Jimmy On Wednesday 22 October 2003 01.53, Ernie Schroder wrote: > On Tuesday 21 October 2003 09:16 am, Hall Stevenson wrote: > > > > I've been using (dual-booting ... :-) ) Linux and Windows (98, ME, > > 2000, XP) for 5 years. I don't believe Linux will replace Windows > > anytime soon. > > > > > > Hall > > > > > > -- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > > I tend to differ with you Hall. As Linux gains in popularity, more > and more presently "windows only" software packages will be ported > over. In 2 or three years, I think anyone who wants to escape the > "evil empire will be able to do so easily. > Contrary to my signature, There is a Win98 box sitting on the floor > next to my desk. The only time I fire it up is for a high end CAD > program that a former employer supplied my with. If I wanted to spend > some big bucks, I could buy a comparable CAD app for Linux (Pro/E > Wildfire) but I don't have the cash to spare at this time. > Probably within a year, there will be an open source parametric CAD > application I check the as yet unnamed project's progress from time > to time) and I will be able to turn the 98 box into an entertainment > server. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
100% at home and whatever I have to deal with at work. Chris - Original Message - From: "Eric Livingston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 6:47 AM Subject: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux? > I'm curious regarding the penetration of linux as a comprehensive solution > for all computing tasks in a normal day. i.e. what percentage of Linux users > are 100% linux, or even 100% Gentoo for that matter. > > I know a couple of folks who are 100% linux, but the circumstances seem > rare - i.e. they are server admins in small shops that use Red Hat for > server work, they don't have to deal with user desktops (which are windows, > but handled by somebody else), and they use only linux at home (they aren't > avid gamers, either, so the few linux titles available are sufficient). But > that particular combination can't be that common, can it? > > I, for instance, run three Gentoo boxes at home, including my server and a > desktop-configured "play" box. However, the vast majority of my time is > spent on my XP-based company notebook computer (that also has Gentoo in a > VMWare virtual machine). My work environment is a hodgepodge of stuff, > including Windows, Solaris, Linux, and even a couple of Mac X's. We're a > software development firm so we have to keep a lot of stuff kicking around > to accomodate clients. > > Also, I'm an avid gamer, and thus at this point I must have Windows to play > the various games I enjoy. > > So, I'm a long, long way from a day where I could get by touching nothing > but Linux day in and day out. It would be fair to say, even, that my > "default" environment is Windows. How about you all? > > Eric > > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.528 / Virus Database: 324 - Release Date: 10/16/2003 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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>... > Probably within a year, there will be an open source parametric CAD >application I check the as yet unnamed project's progress from time >to time) >... unnamed, but can you tell me where I can find some information myself about this? -rex -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 07:47:58AM -0400, Eric Livingston wrote: > I'm curious regarding the penetration of linux as a comprehensive > solution for all computing tasks in a normal day. i.e. what percentage > of Linux users are 100% linux, or even 100% Gentoo for that matter. Well, I'll chime in with my story, in case anyone is interested. I started using Linux back in '95 or '96, when I was in high school. At the time I ran a bulletin board system (aka "BBS", does anyone remember those?). Therein lied a need for a decent multi-tasking system (run the BBS but also do work/play at the same time). I first used DESQview under MS DOS 6.22, then DESQview/X (under same DOS). Those were okay, but I wanted more... So I tried Windows 3.11. Ha! That "OS" definately did not have any usable multitasking capabilities. I finally heard about Linux, and installed Slackware. I believe the Linux kernel version was in the 2.0.36 range or so at the time (I could be mistaken). Anyway, BBSes were going out of style in favor of the Internet, so the BBS hobby got replaced by the "playing in Linux" hobby. Until my sophomore year of college, I dual-booted Windows 95 and Linux. I basically kept Windows around until I could do everything I needed under Linux. Away went Windows! I also switched to Debian about the same time. Since ditching Windows, I've also picked up OpenBSD. I use OpenBSD for my firewall/gateway/NAT box. The main reason for OpenBSD is that I find their firewall (pf) much easier to setup than Linux iptables... plus that security reputation is awfully attractive. Just last week I switched to Gentoo (although the live Debian install is still available; I'm just keeping it around for config files and such). At work, unfortunately, I have to use Windows 2000. There's certainly too much beauracracy for me to even *try* get Linux on my system. Not to mention I do development exclusively for Windows customers. I think I could get by with OpenOffice.org for the most part, but my group works with a handful of MS Access databases, complete with forms and VB script and all that. Damn vendor lock-in. Every now and then I think about looking for a job where I could actually do Linux development. :) Matt -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
On Tuesday 21 October 2003 09:16 am, Hall Stevenson wrote: > > I've been using (dual-booting ... :-) ) Linux and Windows (98, ME, > 2000, XP) for 5 years. I don't believe Linux will replace Windows > anytime soon. > > > Hall > > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list I tend to differ with you Hall. As Linux gains in popularity, more and more presently "windows only" software packages will be ported over. In 2 or three years, I think anyone who wants to escape the "evil empire will be able to do so easily. Contrary to my signature, There is a Win98 box sitting on the floor next to my desk. The only time I fire it up is for a high end CAD program that a former employer supplied my with. If I wanted to spend some big bucks, I could buy a comparable CAD app for Linux (Pro/E Wildfire) but I don't have the cash to spare at this time. Probably within a year, there will be an open source parametric CAD application I check the as yet unnamed project's progress from time to time) and I will be able to turn the 98 box into an entertainment server. -- Regards, Ernie 100% Microsoft and Intel free -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 09:55:35AM -0400, Chris Bare wrote:
> BS. What you already know is easier to use. I think Linux has a
> different learning curve than windows. Initially it's tough, but once
> you get some basic concepts (editing a file, find, grep) the curve
> flattens out. I think with windows the curve is constant because
> everything has config windows hidden in different places that work
> slightly differently.
I wish more people felt this way. I think "what you already know is
easier to use" is a profound statement. Folks that argue about Windows'
"ease of use" say all I have to do is open this, click here, click this
tab, click okay, click... And I say, in Linux, all I have to do is open
this file, add these lines...
Unix sys-admining just seems easier to me because I know where every
program option can be found, where every config file may be located.
It's easy to document as well ("Program X should have its config file
installed in /some/path/config_file_name"). It's really asking a lot of
someone to try and remember where every config option is buried in a
dialog. If you miss a tab or the "Advanced..." button or whatever
inconsistent scheme your GUI-based config utility uses, you're probably
missing have of the goodies. Plus, it's pretty hard to document (and
keep that documentation up to date) when you have to decribe a "click
trail" for every config option.
Of course, not all GUI configs are bad (I like 'em sometimes myself). I
mainly feel that Unix has an undeserved repuation of being "difficult to
configure". I think if you can know and understand Unix configuration
basics, you've really learned *concepts* rather than wrote procedures.
But understanding such concepts gives a more in-depth knowledge of how
the computer works, which ultimately (in theory) should empower you with
getting more out of your system (more productivity, etc).
I'll stop ranting now :)
Matt
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Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 14:23, Norbert Kamenicky wrote: > The first and the last as well windblows which exasperated my nerves > and poluted my PC was 3.11., ( it was enough to catch A.W.A.S. - > untreatable Aided Windblows Allergy Syndrome - for all my life. ) > triplebooted with Coherent (really nice unix, distributed including > manuals > and C compiler on about 9 floppies !) and SCO (yes, today the one hated > unix co.). > > First Linux I had was Slackware ( beganing of 90' - I do not remember > it exactly), > later changed to RH, tried Mandrake (but it tasted somehow windblows like, > so I never used it as the main system). > > Half a year ago I decided to try Gentoo on my Mandrake partition ... > 'cause reinstalling the system with every new release makes me unhappy, > so RH partition was K.I.A. by mke2fs soon as well :-), > > Gentoo is the only system on my HDD today and probably > it will not change ... (if something better not squeeze it) > > noro > > > > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list Slackware was first introduced in 93. There wasn't any Linux until 91 :) -- Owen Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
Norbert Kamenicky wrote: > The first and the last as well windblows which exasperated my nerves > and poluted my PC was 3.11., I never really minded 3.11, most of my stuff was dos based anyway, but what I did do in it was pleasant enough. Win95 really got my goat though, twas like a great sporty kit car ... with a reliant robin chassis. Rick Kitty5 NewMedia http://Kitty5.com POV-Ray News & Resources http://Povray.co.uk TEL : +44 (01270) 501101 - ICQ : 15776037 PGP Public Key http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x231E1CEA -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
begin quote On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:02:45 -0400 Hall Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 11:18 AM 10/21/2003, you wrote: > >The downside is Debian is VERY slow to release stuff into their > >"stable" > >branch > > As an example, Debian's "stable" branch includes KDE v2.2. > kdebase-3.1.3 made into unstable on July 30th. When did KDE release > v3.1.3 ?? Debian (stable) is shipping Gnome 1.4; unstable seems to > have a mix of Gnome v2.1 and 2.2 stuff. No., They finally, the 14th of october got nautilus marked as unstable and can now ship that... Yy. *cough* > I ran Debian (unstable) for a couple of years and it was rock-solid. > Problem was even the unstable branch took "too long", IMO, to get new > versions of software. With KDE 3.x, it was probably months after > release. > And even then, you had to use unofficial APT repositories to get the > stuff. Yeah.. Debian is unfriendly with this. Their package select tools are horrid at best as well ( tell me how to list the installerscript that belongs to a program, please. Needed that info today, and manpages for dpkg wasn't helpful ) even funnier is how their moving targets disables a lot of things like installing -dev packages to the old, but stable systemwide , packages you have installed. Yet another debianism is /etc/alternatives, which is a nightmare from the third world.. *cough* as it is I have been thrown into a world of half-stable half-unstable and some custom, software at work, and they tell me to manage it. Its interesting to learn debian the awful way. (now why is $prefix listed in a lot of the wrapperscripts? oops, bad packaing. bah. thirdparty sources ;./ ) //Spider Not so happy monk -- begin .signature This is a .signature virus! Please copy me into your .signature! See Microsoft KB Article Q265230 for more information. end pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
On Tuesday 21 October 2003 07:47 am, Eric Livingston wrote: > I'm curious regarding the penetration of linux as a comprehensive solution > for all computing tasks in a normal day. i.e. what percentage of Linux > users are 100% linux, or even 100% Gentoo for that matter. I'm 99% linux! I use it at work for 100% and at home, I use it for my personal client, server. My wife uses 2000xp and my son uses win-me... That's 2 windows users out of almost 100 linux users that I deal with on a daily basis. -- ** Registered Linux User Number 185956 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&safe=off&group=linux Join me in chat at #linux-users on irc.freenode.net This email account no longers accepts attachments or messages containing html. 4:38pm up 20 days, 20:31, 7 users, load average: 0.01, 0.04, 0.00 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
begin quote On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 08:48:21 -0400 "Eric Livingston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does that include work as well? I'm really curious about folks who > have managed to convert to Linux not just at home (which is far > easier) but also at work, so that 100% of their own computing time in > both work and play is done in a linux environment. I'm one of them, I run 100% linux at home now ( three or four machines, depends on when they work ;) I've run OpenBSD for a while, and I haven't had a working installation of windows since... *ponder* well, before year 2000 or so, I've borrowed Win2k machines to play Civ3 and Warcraft 3 when they appeared, but never used them actively... Work is even worse, its a 100% Linux solution :-) > For example, an administrator who runs 100% linux at home, but works > in both Linux and Windows server at work would not be 100% Linux by > this definition. Nor would an admin that has 100% Linux servers, but > also admins 10 Windows-based client machines in his office. mm. i'm 100% linux in that case. > I'm really wondering how many folks out there are so fully converted > to Linux in both work and play that they would literally be unfamiliar > with XP, for instance, having never used it. Yep, thats about me. I've installed win2k for a few people who are too afraid to touch the mouse when theres more than five lines of text and a checkbox, (and taken money for it) but never beyond booting, running update, reboot, update, reboot. > > There was a slashdot article a few weeks back that probably planted > the seed for this question. It was a review of Windows XP by someone > who claimed they hadn't used Windows even once in six years. Wasn't that Hemos? > I wondered - how many technically proficient people out there could > make a living and carry on at work and play with computers and *never* > use anything but linux in 6 years? I suppose if you relaxed it a bit > and talked about never using Windows (but allowing for Solaris & Mac) > it would be easier. But I'm curious about folks who literally never > touch another OS besides Linux in their home and work environments. It is I'd love to get a hand on a Mac OS X box or more, I think it'd be a great experience. :) //Spider -- begin .signature This is a .signature virus! Please copy me into your .signature! See Microsoft KB Article Q265230 for more information. end pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
The first and the last as well windblows which exasperated my nerves and poluted my PC was 3.11., ( it was enough to catch A.W.A.S. - untreatable Aided Windblows Allergy Syndrome - for all my life. ) triplebooted with Coherent (really nice unix, distributed including manuals and C compiler on about 9 floppies !) and SCO (yes, today the one hated unix co.). First Linux I had was Slackware ( beganing of 90' - I do not remember it exactly), later changed to RH, tried Mandrake (but it tasted somehow windblows like, so I never used it as the main system). Half a year ago I decided to try Gentoo on my Mandrake partition ... 'cause reinstalling the system with every new release makes me unhappy, so RH partition was K.I.A. by mke2fs soon as well :-), Gentoo is the only system on my HDD today and probably it will not change ... (if something better not squeeze it) noro -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
Eric Livingston wrote: > I'm curious regarding the penetration of linux as a comprehensive solution > for all computing tasks in a normal day. i.e. what percentage of Linux > users are 100% linux, or even 100% Gentoo for that matter. 100% Gentoo Linux here :-) 4 boxes: Pentium II, Pentium III, K6-500, Pentium MMX 15:26:49 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: (~) $ ssh zeddmore uptime 15:33:19 up 20 days, 2:58, 1 user, load average: 2.14, 2.13, 1.33 15:33:19 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: (~) $ ssh stantz uptime 15:33:26 up 4:23, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 15:33:26 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: (~) $ ssh gozer uptime 15:33:32 up 53 min, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.02, 0.01 15:33:40 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: (~) $ uptime 15:33:42 up 4 days, 23:11, 1 user, load average: 0.01, 0.06, 0.02 Regards, Norberto pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
Hall Stevenson wrote: Newbies (or people who don't RTFM) do *not* go over well on Debian's user mailing list. Don't expect much help there especially in cases where "--help" or "man command" fully explain things. debian-user usually isn't too bad about flaming people. debian-devel... definitely. (Of course, that would be why one's called -devel and one's called -user, but... anyway... GRIN.) I think almost all distos have tons of people hanging around in IRC channels that will help with live chat. irc.debian.org resolves to the network Debian's "semi-official" IRC stuff is on, in #debian. Haven't had a need to go begging for help in #gentoo but there's one of those on that same IRC network, and there's probably some doc somewhere that says what the "official" gentoo IRC servers are... There's also a very knowledgeable IRC bot in the #debian channel named "apt"... it can answer a billion weird questions about debian. A hidden gem of Debian support that few people mention. Nate -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 21:47, Eric Livingston wrote: > I'm curious regarding the penetration of linux as a comprehensive solution > for all computing tasks in a normal day. i.e. what percentage of Linux users > are 100% linux, or even 100% Gentoo for that matter. > > I know a couple of folks who are 100% linux, but the circumstances seem > rare - i.e. they are server admins in small shops that use Red Hat for > server work, they don't have to deal with user desktops (which are windows, > but handled by somebody else), and they use only linux at home (they aren't > avid gamers, either, so the few linux titles available are sufficient). But > that particular combination can't be that common, can it? > > I, for instance, run three Gentoo boxes at home, including my server and a > desktop-configured "play" box. However, the vast majority of my time is > spent on my XP-based company notebook computer (that also has Gentoo in a > VMWare virtual machine). My work environment is a hodgepodge of stuff, > including Windows, Solaris, Linux, and even a couple of Mac X's. We're a > software development firm so we have to keep a lot of stuff kicking around > to accomodate clients. > > Also, I'm an avid gamer, and thus at this point I must have Windows to play > the various games I enjoy. > > So, I'm a long, long way from a day where I could get by touching nothing > but Linux day in and day out. It would be fair to say, even, that my > "default" environment is Windows. How about you all? > > Eric > > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > Gentoo at home Debian at work, though I do run M$ word via cxoffice to use company templates for documents :/ As for games I mainly stick to mame (xmame-gl) and occasionally warcraft III via winex. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
Hi, I have one computer, gentoo only. No need for another OS. Glück Auf Volker -- Conclusions In a straight-up fight, the Empire squashes the Federation like a bug. Even with its numerical advantage removed, the Empire would still squash the Federation like a bug. Accept it. -Michael Wong -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
@ Work & home - 100% linux :)
gaming can be a bit restrictive, but it's getting better. (My gf does
have a windows laptop though - despite my best efforts!)
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Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
At 11:58 AM 10/21/2003, you wrote: I will have a test on Debian if times allows I'll warn you now: Newbies (or people who don't RTFM) do *not* go over well on Debian's user mailing list. Don't expect much help there especially in cases where "--help" or "man command" fully explain things. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
Eric Livingston ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Does that include work as well? I'm really curious about folks who have > managed to convert to Linux not just at home (which is far easier) but also > at work, so that 100% of their own computing time in both work and play is > done in a linux environment. Well, my work is at home (I'm not an IT man :-) Sincerely, Gour > I'm really wondering how many folks out there are so fully converted to > Linux in both work and play that they would literally be unfamiliar with XP, > for instance, having never used it. Never touched XP. > There was a slashdot article a few weeks back that probably planted the seed > for this question. It was a review of Windows XP by someone who claimed they > hadn't used Windows even once in six years. I have stalled on Win98 and don't know much above it. > I wondered - how many technically proficient people out there could make a > living and carry on at work and play with computers and *never* use anything > but linux in 6 years? I suppose if you relaxed it a bit and talked about > never using Windows (but allowing for Solaris & Mac) it would be easier. But > I'm curious about folks who literally never touch another OS besides Linux > in their home and work environments. As wrote earlier, my use of Win is/was sporadic since many years I was using OS/2 (btw, I'm sure there are many OS/2 converts in Linux community :-) Sincerely, Gour -- Gour [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User #278493 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
At 11:18 AM 10/21/2003, you wrote: The downside is Debian is VERY slow to release stuff into their "stable" branch As an example, Debian's "stable" branch includes KDE v2.2. kdebase-3.1.3 made into unstable on July 30th. When did KDE release v3.1.3 ?? Debian (stable) is shipping Gnome 1.4; unstable seems to have a mix of Gnome v2.1 and 2.2 stuff. I ran Debian (unstable) for a couple of years and it was rock-solid. Problem was even the unstable branch took "too long", IMO, to get new versions of software. With KDE 3.x, it was probably months after release. And even then, you had to use unofficial APT repositories to get the stuff. Regards Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
Hi Nate, Thanks for your information. I will have a test on Debian if times allows B.R. Stephen Nate Duehr wrote: Stephen Liu wrote: I was Windows + Mandrake then Windows + Redhat and am now turning to Gentoo. I never run Debian before. I am interested to know what is the difference between Gentoo and Debian. Debian - mainly a binary distribution with source packages available for rebuild of anything requiring a rebuild, excellent package management system, fully-documented policy and procedure for build/installation locations, as well as the the Debian Free Software Guidelines (DFSG) for ensuring software meets the highest standards of Free Software availability for inclusion in the main distribution. The downside is Debian is VERY slow to release stuff into their "stable" branch, but 99% of the time, their "testing" and even "unstable" branches are both usable on non-production machines. Packages can be backported from unstable to stable pretty easily by installing the source packages and re-building. Gentoo - source-based distro still working on their procedures and documentation, showing promise, but not there yet. Has excellent support for a lot of newer software that's not exactly stable yet, and even some non-Free software that has questionable licensing. (I'm sure I'll need the flame suit on for this one, but Debian's development process is MUCH more mature than Gentoo's... the discussions on Gentoo-Dev are stuff Debian dealt with and came up with policy on some four or five years ago.) In general, I run Debian on production boxes and Gentoo on development or desktop machines right now. They're both Linux. And as I always say, Linux is Linux. It really comes down to whether or not you have time to wait for machines to rebuild their binaries every week or so and whether or not you can handle that amount of change to your production servers that often. Many companies can't even think about doing that many updates. I can accept this on a desktop machine - I can't on servers. It's ultimately a personal choice - the underlying software packages are the same on all Linux'es. Nate, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
On Tuesday 21 October 2003 11:47 am, Eric Livingston wrote: > I'm curious regarding the penetration of linux as a comprehensive > solution for all computing tasks in a normal day. i.e. what percentage > of Linux users are 100% linux, or even 100% Gentoo for that matter. 00:06:01 up 8 days, 6:16, 7 users, load average: 1.03, 0.89, 0.51 i occasionly had to boot into windows (98) to visit one particular website that only works properly with ie, but i just found out i can use konquerer (netscape 4.29 and mozilla 1.4 don't work). so, i'm now 100% linux, and 100% gentoo at the moment. before i discovered mplayer i tended to keep my computer running windows so i could watch dvds, and everything else i did was within cygwin (unless browsing the internet when lynx couldn't cut it). gentoo makes installing mplayer a total breeze (it wasn't fun installing on suse 8.3). > I'm really wondering how many folks out there are so fully converted to > Linux in both work and play that they would literally be unfamiliar with > XP, for instance, having never used it. i've only used it on other people's computers, as i'm the resident computer guru here in these army barracks, and they're all too ignorant to go to support.microsoft.com. xp seems very strange to me, as i never got past 98. On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, tony Scharf wrote: > I am NOT 100% linux, and I will tell you why: I am a musician. > currently, there are NO apps that can even come close to comparing to > the capability and features of their windows/mac counterparts. what apps do you use in windows? i am an electronic musician, and all i use is linux. i do use cool edit 96 under wine for audiofile editing. > I personaly would love to see linux compete in the audio realm, but with > the current hardware support being as abysmal as it is, and the simple > fact that the music apps are VERY far behind, I dont see it happening > anytime soon. I am currently emersing myself in C++ so that I can > eventually contribute to these projects. hardware support being abysmal? what hardware are you using? something like the creamware pulsar? check out the linux-audio-user (lau) and linux-audio-dev (lad) lists. -dave (I*NT*x) i try to do too much, without really doing much of anything. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 14:44, Frank R Callaghan wrote: > 100% YES, 75% gentoo 25% RH ( I had a lot of trouble geting WinTV working so > I'm a little worried about convering that system to gentoo) > > I have to maintain lots of windoze crud systems at work - but don't have to > use one ;) linux servers (were NT4 - converted, no body ever noticed) > life is good :) Nobody noticed! Bloody hell your gentoo servers must crash a lot. :P Cheers Dg -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
Stephen Liu wrote: I was Windows + Mandrake then Windows + Redhat and am now turning to Gentoo. I never run Debian before. I am interested to know what is the difference between Gentoo and Debian. Debian - mainly a binary distribution with source packages available for rebuild of anything requiring a rebuild, excellent package management system, fully-documented policy and procedure for build/installation locations, as well as the the Debian Free Software Guidelines (DFSG) for ensuring software meets the highest standards of Free Software availability for inclusion in the main distribution. The downside is Debian is VERY slow to release stuff into their "stable" branch, but 99% of the time, their "testing" and even "unstable" branches are both usable on non-production machines. Packages can be backported from unstable to stable pretty easily by installing the source packages and re-building. Gentoo - source-based distro still working on their procedures and documentation, showing promise, but not there yet. Has excellent support for a lot of newer software that's not exactly stable yet, and even some non-Free software that has questionable licensing. (I'm sure I'll need the flame suit on for this one, but Debian's development process is MUCH more mature than Gentoo's... the discussions on Gentoo-Dev are stuff Debian dealt with and came up with policy on some four or five years ago.) In general, I run Debian on production boxes and Gentoo on development or desktop machines right now. They're both Linux. And as I always say, Linux is Linux. It really comes down to whether or not you have time to wait for machines to rebuild their binaries every week or so and whether or not you can handle that amount of change to your production servers that often. Many companies can't even think about doing that many updates. I can accept this on a desktop machine - I can't on servers. It's ultimately a personal choice - the underlying software packages are the same on all Linux'es. Nate, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
Hi Nathan, I was Windows + Mandrake then Windows + Redhat and am now turning to Gentoo. I never run Debian before. I am interested to know what is the difference between Gentoo and Debian. Thanks B.R. Stephen Liu Van Eps, Nathan D. (James Tower) wrote: I was 100% slackware, then 100% debian, and now 100% gentoo. I have to use NT at work though...blech. -Nathan -Original Message- From: Patrick Marquetecken Op di 21-10-2003, om 13:47 schreef Eric Livingston: I'm curious regarding the penetration of linux as a comprehensive solution for all computing tasks in a normal day. i.e. what percentage of Linux users are 100% linux, or even 100% Gentoo for that matter. One year ago i did the switch to 100% Linux (it was hard), as a Sun Solaris sysadmin with a few Windows servers and Macintosh I can work with Linux all the time. At work I can use samba an rdesktop, nfs and if al my Mac's are switch to Mac X , Linux will rule them all. :-) At home it feels that I can do more then when I was using Windows, the only program I'm missing is Adobe Photoshop. Patrick -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
Eric Livingston wrote: For example, an administrator who runs 100% linux at home, but works in both Linux and Windows server at work would not be 100% Linux by this definition. Nor would an admin that has 100% Linux servers, but also admins 10 Windows-based client machines in his office. I am pretty close. All home machines are either Linux or MacOS X. Work laptop is dual-boot WinXP and Linux. At work I take care of about 80 Linux and Solaris machines. Why keep the XP boot partition around? Choice. If there is a tool that requires it, I have the option. Being a single-OS person today would be career suicide -- always use the best tool for the job at hand. I have one specific thing that forces me to boot to XP (or run Excel under an emulator, at the very least) -- a password protected Excel spreadsheet someone at the company puts out. Can't open it in anything but real Excel, AFAIK. Nate, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
At home I'm 100% linux, at work we have 70% linux and 30% windows. -Mads On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:29:48 -0400 "a park" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > at home, 100% linux. at work 100% windows (to my dismay). > > andrew > > _ > Enjoy MSN 8 patented spam control and more with MSN 8 Dial-up Internet > Service. Try it FREE for one month! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup > > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > > -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
Hello, Am Dienstag, 21. Oktober 2003 13:47 schrieb Eric Livingston: > I'm curious regarding the penetration of linux as a comprehensive solution > for all computing tasks in a normal day. i.e. what percentage of Linux > users are 100% linux, or even 100% Gentoo for that matter. > > I know a couple of folks who are 100% linux, but the circumstances seem > rare - i.e. they are server admins in small shops that use Red Hat for > server work, they don't have to deal with user desktops (which are windows, > but handled by somebody else), and they use only linux at home (they aren't > avid gamers, either, so the few linux titles available are sufficient). But > that particular combination can't be that common, can it? > > I, for instance, run three Gentoo boxes at home, including my server and a > desktop-configured "play" box. However, the vast majority of my time is > spent on my XP-based company notebook computer (that also has Gentoo in a > VMWare virtual machine). My work environment is a hodgepodge of stuff, > including Windows, Solaris, Linux, and even a couple of Mac X's. We're a > software development firm so we have to keep a lot of stuff kicking around > to accomodate clients. > > Also, I'm an avid gamer, and thus at this point I must have Windows to play > the various games I enjoy. > > So, I'm a long, long way from a day where I could get by touching nothing > but Linux day in and day out. It would be fair to say, even, that my > "default" environment is Windows. How about you all? > > Eric I'm 100% Linux (Gentoo) @work. There is a WinNT Box standing besides me, but it is turned off since at least 1 year. I will install Gentoo on it in the near future, as our hole company (the technical team) migrates to Linux (free choice of distribution :-) ). @home I am 80% Linux (Gentoo), 5% HPUX (on a HP Apollo) and 15% Windows. The later is for gaming stuff. I do not use wine. My wife is 100% Linux, because she doesn't like gaming on PCs, and she feels much more comfortable with KDE than with the windows gui and software. Hand, Michael -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
> I'm really wondering how many folks out there are so fully converted to > Linux in both work and play that they would literally be unfamiliar with XP, > for instance, having never used it. > > There was a slashdot article a few weeks back that probably planted the seed > for this question. It was a review of Windows XP by someone who claimed they > hadn't used Windows even once in six years. > I've never used windows XP. I've *seen* it on other people's systems, and couldn't get past the bubblegum colors. I have never used windows for work. Since 1989 I've worked for companies that do Unix (and later linux) software development. My first workstation was an NCD X terminal attached to an IBM RS6000. Later, my desktop machine was always a PC running only some flavor of unix or linux. At home I do have a win98 box to run video editing software (adobe premiere) on. As someone else mentioned about music, the Linux video editing software is way behind the windows stuff, but I'm surprised at how much progress it has made in the past couple of years. Also at home I have 1 mandrake box I use as my main desktop, and a gentoo system I will eventually migrate to. I also have a gentoo laptop. My girlfriend runs mandrake with VMware for word. Other than word. she uses only Linux programs for mail, web etc. Unfortunately the reports she writes for work do not work right under openwriter, abiwriter etc. So I have used windows, but generally find it incredibly confusing to try to administer. Linux is a snap. The whole "easier to use" think is BS. What you already know is easier to use. I think Linux has a different learning curve than windows. Initially it's tough, but once you get some basic concepts (editing a file, find, grep) the curve flattens out. I think with windows the curve is constant because everything has config windows hidden in different places that work slightly differently. -- Chris Bare [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
> > Does that include work as well? I'm really curious about folks who have > managed to convert to Linux not just at home (which is far easier) but also > at work, so that 100% of their own computing time in both work and play is > done in a linux environment. > > For example, an administrator who runs 100% linux at home, but works in > both Linux and Windows server at work would not be 100% Linux by this > definition. Nor would an admin that has 100% Linux servers, but also admins > 10 Windows-based client machines in his office. > > I'm really wondering how many folks out there are so fully converted to > Linux in both work and play that they would literally be unfamiliar with > XP, > for instance, having never used it. > > There was a slashdot article a few weeks back that probably planted the > seed > for this question. It was a review of Windows XP by someone who claimed > they > hadn't used Windows even once in six years. > > I wondered - how many technically proficient people out there could make a > living and carry on at work and play with computers and *never* use > anything > but linux in 6 years? I suppose if you relaxed it a bit and talked about > never using Windows (but allowing for Solaris & Mac) it would be easier. > But > I'm curious about folks who literally never touch another OS besides Linux > in their home and work environments. > hi i am using linux both at home and also at work! i am able to be in an office, where i can choose my OS by myself. so one day i said to me: let's break with windows and move over to linux completely. what can I say? i am happy with it! sure, at home i have one system, there is still a w2k OS installed on one hd, but thats only for some games or friends that are not familiar with linux. for the normal work at the office and at home i am using linux 100%. ok, at work i have still to do with windows-systems, because all of our customers using it for their computers, so i have to work sometimes on their machines, but as often i can use linux, i will use it! do you know knoppix? that is a really great distro, and this linux i can even boot on these windows-systems, i do not like. so from my point of view, i can say i am using linux at home and at work for 100% for the normal day-work... regards, martin -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
100% YES, 75% gentoo 25% RH ( I had a lot of trouble geting WinTV working so I'm a little worried about convering that system to gentoo) I have to maintain lots of windoze crud systems at work - but don't have to use one ;) linux servers (were NT4 - converted, no body ever noticed) life is good :) > >-Original Message- > > From: Patrick Marquetecken > > >Op di 21-10-2003, om 13:47 schreef Eric Livingston: > >> I'm curious regarding the penetration of linux as a > > > >comprehensive solution > > > >> for all computing tasks in a normal day. i.e. what > > > >percentage of Linux users > > > >> are 100% linux, or even 100% Gentoo for that matter. > > > > > > > >One year ago i did the switch to 100% Linux (it was hard), as a Sun > >Solaris sysadmin with a few Windows servers and Macintosh I can work > >with Linux all the time. > >At work I can use samba an rdesktop, nfs and if al my Mac's are switch > >to Mac X , Linux will rule them all. :-) > > > >At home it feels that I can do more then when I was using Windows, the > >only program I'm missing is Adobe Photoshop. > > > >Patrick > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
At 09:31 AM 10/21/2003, you wrote: However, whether it's because of work pressure or whatnot, the "fictitious admin" in my example does not use linux 100% of the time - whether he likes it or not. I think I feel this way after subscribing to the debian-user mailing list for so many years. As you know, Debian is rather die-hard "free or else" when it comes to software. I doubt you'll see nforce-audio or nforce-net APT packages (from Debian) anytime soon. Anyway, many, many of the people on that list suggest that they'd QUIT their job before they'd use "Microsuck's proprietary, insecure, bloatware". I've seen many responses to people commenting that they have to use Windows at work for some reason or another and people tell them to quit !! I put my family (for some reason I suspect many *nix die-hards are single !! :-) ) before my software ideaology. I'm using WinXP here at work, typing this message in Eudora, and I'm not ashamed of that ! When I get home, I've got (3) Linux boxes, two that dual-boot (one won't much longer). Machine # 4 is my wife's, running XP, and likely to stay that way. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 04:47, Eric Livingston wrote: > I'm curious regarding the penetration of linux as a comprehensive solution > for all computing tasks in a normal day. i.e. what percentage of Linux users > are 100% linux, or even 100% Gentoo for that matter. > I am a hardware guy, so I'm not sure my vote counts much here. I run 3 machines at home. 1 is Gentoo, one XP, one ME. I am not 100% Linux, for two reasons: 1) I have to keep two home machine running Windows to do my composing and recording. There are no Linux apps that come close to Pro Tools for functionality, and I have another machine running GigaStudio and Reaktor that are Windows apps. No way to run them under Linux. 2) My main home machine is Linux, for doing email mostly. I browse on this machine, but out-of-the-box Linux setup is not very good for browsing the web. Gentoo doesn't some set up for any form of audio, and I need Alsa for my recording work, so KDE and Gnome environments don't work well for me without customization. Mozilla doesn't even come set up to view a pdf file on-line without configuration. It's just too difficult for us end-user types, and I don't get that anyone in the Linux development world is all that interested in making a distribution that solves these problems out of the box, so I guess it won't happen. As I said though, I'm not a software guy, so it's difficult for me to get things configured. Since this is the case I end up doing most 'fun' browsing from my Windows XP machine. That said, when some distribution out there takes us end-user types seriously and fixes these problems, then I'll probably go 100% Linux for my day-in/day-out computer. I'll have Windows XP around for the next few years at least to run Pro Tools and other Windows audio apps, so I have no reason to do the work myself. I'd rather write music than configure computers. As for work, we tried to switch, but couldn't. The problem is no M$ Office compatible applications that are 100% compatible with Word and Excel, so we have to run the real ones. I haven't looked into Crossover Office yet, but plan too. - Mark -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
On 2003.10.21 13:47, Eric Livingston wrote: I'm curious regarding the penetration of linux as a comprehensive solution for all computing tasks in a normal day. i.e. what percentage of Linux users are 100% linux, or even 100% Gentoo for that matter. I'm 100% linux, not 100% Gentoo. Working in Remote Sensing / Geographic Information Systems (GIS), and mainly writing my own programs/scripts, this is probably relatively easy, as I don't have to do much wordprocessing/spreadsheets/etc. Very rarely I have to cheat to 1) open some msdocument that has such weirdo layoutings that openoffice or abiword cannot open it reliably; 2) convert some undisclosed propriatory dataformat of some rs/gis software firm that only runs on windows (or we only have a windows license for). Luckily, not all my colleages are linux-only :-) These are the stats: - my desktop at work: P4 1.5 GHz with Gentoo; - our file/printserver at work (which I administer): P4 2.something GHz Debian stable with some extra backports; - our 2 internet servers: P4's with Debian stable - our sloppy home pc: P2 200 MHz with Debian stable with extra's. Usually I am very comfortable running only linux. I can do everything and more I could do on a windows pc, write dvd's, email, etc. and linux is definitely easier for the hardcore (read: no visual-anything drag'n'drop childplay) programmers like us ;-) Our internet servers need to be stable and easily manageble by ssh, and do not have the need for fancy and newest features. So debian it is, and debian it will be. Our printer/file server is debian and works ok but might someday go Gentoo. However, I don't see many reasons not to stay debian. My old home pc should be easy-use and easy install, and I don't fancy week-long compiles on it, so it will remain debian too probably... :) Cheers, Vincent. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
Lol, I have the same card. So you're saying it's a pain to get the gatos stuff working with the DRM stuff ? That's a shame.. cause I got the DRM working, but haven't tried the gatos stuff yet. How do you find it ? Jeff. On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 10:27, gabriel wrote: > i'm using the ati all-in-wonder radeon. since i use the tv features of > the card far more often than the 3d features, putting up with the > cryptic instructions from the gatos folks to install drm just wasn't > worth it. > > > On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 09:10, Jeff MacDonald wrote: > > Which radeon do you have ? I have a 7500 and quake 3 works just dandy in > > linux for me. > > > > JEff. > > > > > > On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 10:02, gabriel wrote: > > > On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 08:48, Eric Livingston wrote: > > > > Does that include work as well? I'm really curious about folks who have > > > > managed to convert to Linux not just at home (which is far easier) but also > > > > at work, so that 100% of their own computing time in both work and play is > > > > done in a linux environment. > > > > > > i use gentoo @home AND @work almost entirely. the exception both at > > > home and work is adobe photoshop. it doesn't work right in wine and > > > gimp just isn't good enough yet. i use photoshop on a mac & windows > > > @work and on a windows partition @home. i also use the same partition > > > (to a limited extent) for games (mostly quakeIII (doesn't play nice with > > > my radeon in linux) and starcraft). > > > > > > for me it's all about photoshop. even though linux is my preferred > > > development environment, if i want to make that project easy on the > > > eyes, i still need windows. > > > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
> >For example, an administrator who runs 100% linux at home, but works in > >both Linux and Windows server at work would not be 100% Linux by this > >definition. Nor would an admin that has 100% Linux servers, but also admins > >10 Windows-based client machines in his office. > > I have to disagree with your arguement there. This fictious admin can't be > "faulted" for having to use Windows at work, for instance. He may not have > the option there (may not be his final decision or there may be no *usable* > Linux replacement). Don't get me wrong! I'm not faulting anybody for using Windows or any other non-Linux OS. I absolutely agree that many folks who would otherwise love to use Linux 100% can't do so because of external pressures from work or whatever to use Windows or something else. I'm in that situation exactly - I could never be 100% linux right now due to the nature of my work (IT consulting, which requires Windows, Solaris, etc. to be able to work with the largest number of clients). However, whether it's because of work pressure or whatnot, the "fictitious admin" in my example does not use linux 100% of the time - whether he likes it or not. I'm wondering how many folks have "escaped" into a world of 100% linux, having somehow avoided being forced by work, etc, to use other OSs (and, of course, being willing to not play any of the PC-based games that run only on Windows). -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
at home, 100% linux. at work 100% windows (to my dismay). andrew _ Enjoy MSN 8 patented spam control and more with MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service. Try it FREE for one month! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
i'm using the ati all-in-wonder radeon. since i use the tv features of the card far more often than the 3d features, putting up with the cryptic instructions from the gatos folks to install drm just wasn't worth it. On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 09:10, Jeff MacDonald wrote: > Which radeon do you have ? I have a 7500 and quake 3 works just dandy in > linux for me. > > JEff. > > > On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 10:02, gabriel wrote: > > On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 08:48, Eric Livingston wrote: > > > Does that include work as well? I'm really curious about folks who have > > > managed to convert to Linux not just at home (which is far easier) but also > > > at work, so that 100% of their own computing time in both work and play is > > > done in a linux environment. > > > > i use gentoo @home AND @work almost entirely. the exception both at > > home and work is adobe photoshop. it doesn't work right in wine and > > gimp just isn't good enough yet. i use photoshop on a mac & windows > > @work and on a windows partition @home. i also use the same partition > > (to a limited extent) for games (mostly quakeIII (doesn't play nice with > > my radeon in linux) and starcraft). > > > > for me it's all about photoshop. even though linux is my preferred > > development environment, if i want to make that project easy on the > > eyes, i still need windows. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
At 09:10 AM 10/21/2003, you wrote: Oh, and I'm gonna get lynched for this, but I actually like a couple of the Microsoft games out there, like Rally Challenge or flight sim. So yes, there is an XP partition on my drive. Only by the narrow (or is it close ?) minded :-) Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
I was 100% slackware, then 100% debian, and now 100% gentoo. I have to use NT at work though...blech. -Nathan >-Original Message- >From: Patrick Marquetecken > >Op di 21-10-2003, om 13:47 schreef Eric Livingston: >> I'm curious regarding the penetration of linux as a >comprehensive solution >> for all computing tasks in a normal day. i.e. what >percentage of Linux users >> are 100% linux, or even 100% Gentoo for that matter. > >> >One year ago i did the switch to 100% Linux (it was hard), as a Sun >Solaris sysadmin with a few Windows servers and Macintosh I can work >with Linux all the time. >At work I can use samba an rdesktop, nfs and if al my Mac's are switch >to Mac X , Linux will rule them all. :-) > >At home it feels that I can do more then when I was using Windows, the >only program I'm missing is Adobe Photoshop. > >Patrick -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
Which radeon do you have ? I have a 7500 and quake 3 works just dandy in linux for me. JEff. On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 10:02, gabriel wrote: > On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 08:48, Eric Livingston wrote: > > Does that include work as well? I'm really curious about folks who have > > managed to convert to Linux not just at home (which is far easier) but also > > at work, so that 100% of their own computing time in both work and play is > > done in a linux environment. > > i use gentoo @home AND @work almost entirely. the exception both at > home and work is adobe photoshop. it doesn't work right in wine and > gimp just isn't good enough yet. i use photoshop on a mac & windows > @work and on a windows partition @home. i also use the same partition > (to a limited extent) for games (mostly quakeIII (doesn't play nice with > my radeon in linux) and starcraft). > > for me it's all about photoshop. even though linux is my preferred > development environment, if i want to make that project easy on the > eyes, i still need windows. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
At 08:48 AM 10/21/2003, you wrote: For example, an administrator who runs 100% linux at home, but works in both Linux and Windows server at work would not be 100% Linux by this definition. Nor would an admin that has 100% Linux servers, but also admins 10 Windows-based client machines in his office. I have to disagree with your arguement there. This fictious admin can't be "faulted" for having to use Windows at work, for instance. He may not have the option there (may not be his final decision or there may be no *usable* Linux replacement). I've been using (dual-booting ... :-) ) Linux and Windows (98, ME, 2000, XP) for 5 years. I don't believe Linux will replace Windows anytime soon. Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
I use Gentoo 99% of the time, but occasionaly have to startup vmware with XP for the occasional webpage that will only cooperate with IE. Oh, and I'm gonna get lynched for this, but I actually like a couple of the Microsoft games out there, like Rally Challenge or flight sim. So yes, there is an XP partition on my drive. Jeff. On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 10:05, Eric Marchionni wrote: > Eric Livingston wrote: > > >I'm curious regarding the penetration of linux as a comprehensive solution > >for all computing tasks in a normal day. i.e. what percentage of Linux users > >are 100% linux, or even 100% Gentoo for that matter. > > > >Eric > > > > > i'm 100% linux. i used to boot into w2k for gaming purposes. but since i > don't like > the new counter-strike version anymore i'm totally microsoft-free :-D > > cheers > eric > > ps: please start a new thread next time and don't just answer to another > thread > and change the topic. this breaks my and others thread-view. thanx! > > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
i do! :) On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 13:47, Eric Livingston wrote: > I'm curious regarding the penetration of linux as a comprehensive solution > for all computing tasks in a normal day. i.e. what percentage of Linux users > are 100% linux, or even 100% Gentoo for that matter. > > I know a couple of folks who are 100% linux, but the circumstances seem > rare - i.e. they are server admins in small shops that use Red Hat for > server work, they don't have to deal with user desktops (which are windows, > but handled by somebody else), and they use only linux at home (they aren't > avid gamers, either, so the few linux titles available are sufficient). But > that particular combination can't be that common, can it? > > I, for instance, run three Gentoo boxes at home, including my server and a > desktop-configured "play" box. However, the vast majority of my time is > spent on my XP-based company notebook computer (that also has Gentoo in a > VMWare virtual machine). My work environment is a hodgepodge of stuff, > including Windows, Solaris, Linux, and even a couple of Mac X's. We're a > software development firm so we have to keep a lot of stuff kicking around > to accomodate clients. > > Also, I'm an avid gamer, and thus at this point I must have Windows to play > the various games I enjoy. > > So, I'm a long, long way from a day where I could get by touching nothing > but Linux day in and day out. It would be fair to say, even, that my > "default" environment is Windows. How about you all? > > Eric > > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > -- Regards, Redeeman () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\- against microsoft attachments -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
Eric Livingston wrote: I'm curious regarding the penetration of linux as a comprehensive solution for all computing tasks in a normal day. i.e. what percentage of Linux users are 100% linux, or even 100% Gentoo for that matter. Eric i'm 100% linux. i used to boot into w2k for gaming purposes. but since i don't like the new counter-strike version anymore i'm totally microsoft-free :-D cheers eric ps: please start a new thread next time and don't just answer to another thread and change the topic. this breaks my and others thread-view. thanx! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 08:48, Eric Livingston wrote: > Does that include work as well? I'm really curious about folks who have > managed to convert to Linux not just at home (which is far easier) but also > at work, so that 100% of their own computing time in both work and play is > done in a linux environment. i use gentoo @home AND @work almost entirely. the exception both at home and work is adobe photoshop. it doesn't work right in wine and gimp just isn't good enough yet. i use photoshop on a mac & windows @work and on a windows partition @home. i also use the same partition (to a limited extent) for games (mostly quakeIII (doesn't play nice with my radeon in linux) and starcraft). for me it's all about photoshop. even though linux is my preferred development environment, if i want to make that project easy on the eyes, i still need windows. -- never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups - unknown -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
> > I'm curious regarding the penetration of linux as a comprehensive solution > > for all computing tasks in a normal day. i.e. what percentage of Linux users > > are 100% linux, or even 100% Gentoo for that matter. > > From the beginning of '99 when I switched to Linux (1st SuSE) (from OS/2) I > just have to use one Folio Infobase on Win98 (hope I'll be able to replace it > by encoding documents in XML) and some BBS-like reader (both of them I run > under Gentoo :-). Besides that I use to have MinGW installed in order for test > some Ruby dev stuff. Otherwise - 100% Gentoo :) > > Sincerely, > Gour Does that include work as well? I'm really curious about folks who have managed to convert to Linux not just at home (which is far easier) but also at work, so that 100% of their own computing time in both work and play is done in a linux environment. For example, an administrator who runs 100% linux at home, but works in both Linux and Windows server at work would not be 100% Linux by this definition. Nor would an admin that has 100% Linux servers, but also admins 10 Windows-based client machines in his office. I'm really wondering how many folks out there are so fully converted to Linux in both work and play that they would literally be unfamiliar with XP, for instance, having never used it. There was a slashdot article a few weeks back that probably planted the seed for this question. It was a review of Windows XP by someone who claimed they hadn't used Windows even once in six years. I wondered - how many technically proficient people out there could make a living and carry on at work and play with computers and *never* use anything but linux in 6 years? I suppose if you relaxed it a bit and talked about never using Windows (but allowing for Solaris & Mac) it would be easier. But I'm curious about folks who literally never touch another OS besides Linux in their home and work environments. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
Eric Livingston ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > I'm curious regarding the penetration of linux as a comprehensive solution > for all computing tasks in a normal day. i.e. what percentage of Linux users > are 100% linux, or even 100% Gentoo for that matter. >From the beginning of '99 when I switched to Linux (1st SuSE) (from OS/2) I just have to use one Folio Infobase on Win98 (hope I'll be able to replace it by encoding documents in XML) and some BBS-like reader (both of them I run under Gentoo :-). Besides that I use to have MinGW installed in order for test some Ruby dev stuff. Otherwise - 100% Gentoo :) Sincerely, Gour -- Gour [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User #278493 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
im currently using 2 machines running linux, 3 not. my work machine, which i have no control over, runs win2k, my home workstation runs winxp, but will be running gentoo later. my server runs redhat 9, my new vserver runs redhat 9 and my sisters machine runs win98 and my parents machine runs redhat 8. i have 2 machines at home with no OS or hard drive, but im planing to get these running gentoo using that nfs and net card boot idea. i should be using 6 linux boxen soon and only one windows box. my sister wont let me install linux on her system. pity. i will be using vmware with win2k or xp. im getting there. Lotas Smartman, MCP www.lotas-smartman.net www.the-hairy-one.com www.lsn-blog.tk -Original Message- From: Patrick Marquetecken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Gentoo-user <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:11:52 +0200 Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux? > Op di 21-10-2003, om 13:47 schreef Eric Livingston: > > I'm curious regarding the penetration of linux as a comprehensive > solution > > for all computing tasks in a normal day. i.e. what percentage of > Linux users > > are 100% linux, or even 100% Gentoo for that matter. > > > > One year ago i did the switch to 100% Linux (it was hard), as a Sun > Solaris sysadmin with a few Windows servers and Macintosh I can work > with Linux all the time. > At work I can use samba an rdesktop, nfs and if al my Mac's are switch > to Mac X , Linux will rule them all. :-) > > At home it feels that I can do more then when I was using Windows, the > only program I'm missing is Adobe Photoshop. > > Patrick > > -- > Insufficient facts always invite danger. > -- Spock, "Space Seed", stardate 3141.9 > > PGP Key: http://users.pandora.be/rivendell/marquetp.gpg > Fingerprint = 2792 057F C445 9486 F932 3AEA D3A3 1B0C 1059 273B > ICQ# 316932703 > Registered Linux User #44550 > http://counter.li.org > -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
Op di 21-10-2003, om 13:47 schreef Eric Livingston: > I'm curious regarding the penetration of linux as a comprehensive solution > for all computing tasks in a normal day. i.e. what percentage of Linux users > are 100% linux, or even 100% Gentoo for that matter. > One year ago i did the switch to 100% Linux (it was hard), as a Sun Solaris sysadmin with a few Windows servers and Macintosh I can work with Linux all the time. At work I can use samba an rdesktop, nfs and if al my Mac's are switch to Mac X , Linux will rule them all. :-) At home it feels that I can do more then when I was using Windows, the only program I'm missing is Adobe Photoshop. Patrick -- Insufficient facts always invite danger. -- Spock, "Space Seed", stardate 3141.9 PGP Key: http://users.pandora.be/rivendell/marquetp.gpg Fingerprint = 2792 057F C445 9486 F932 3AEA D3A3 1B0C 1059 273B ICQ# 316932703 Registered Linux User #44550 http://counter.li.org signature.asc Description: Dit berichtdeel is digitaal ondertekend
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How many of you are 100% Linux?
On Tuesday 21 October 2003 11:47 am, Eric Livingston wrote: > I'm curious regarding the penetration of linux as a comprehensive solution > for all computing tasks in a normal day. i.e. what percentage of Linux > users are 100% linux, or even 100% Gentoo for that matter. > I am NOT 100% linux, and I will tell you why: I am a musician. currently, there are NO apps that can even come close to comparing to the capability and features of their windows/mac counterparts. At home, I use one PC for Music, while all the rest of my computers (my server, and my communications machine) are all on gentoo. I also have a laptop that I use for work, and its running windows 2k at the moment because I have current running projects that require .net development (yeah..yeah..snicker all you want, ive got to pay the bills somehow while I get up to speed on the unix world). For all my general applications: office, communications, music, and surfing - I am 100% gentoo. I personaly would love to see linux compete in the audio realm, but with the current hardware support being as abysmal as it is, and the simple fact that the music apps are VERY far behind, I dont see it happening anytime soon. I am currently emersing myself in C++ so that I can eventually contribute to these projects. Tony -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
