Re: [ilugd] I am not able to send mail through postfix
s:[127.0.0.1]:10024 but either its not configured or not running. So postfix is not able to connect to it and is generating the following message in the logs: Feb 15 12:16:20 satishmalanch postfix/smtp[7203]: connect to 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:10024: > Connection refused > Feb 15 12:16:21 satishmalanch postfix/smtp[7203]: B69AA160FEB: to=< > satishmala...@gmail.com>, relay=none, delay=0.46, > delays=0.39/0.07/0/0,dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (connect to > 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:10024:Connection refused) So make sure that amavis service is running else comment out the content_filter option in main.cf and reload postfix. HTH, -- Manish Kathuria ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Unable to fetchmail through fetchmail
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Satish Kr Malanch wrote: > Dear all, > > i am getting follwoing error with fetchamil : > > i trying to setup postfix+dovecote+squirrellmail+fetchmail from otherserver > > > Checking for mail on server(s) with command fetchmail -v -f > '/home/auth/.fetchmailrc' .. > > fetchmail: couldn't time-check the run-control file > fetchmail: lstat: /home/auth/.fetchmailrc: Permission denied > > > plz help > What user are you running the fetchmail command as ? Make sure that this user owns the .fetchmailrc file and also has access to the same. Thanks, Manish ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Qmail Help
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Vijay Thakur wrote: > Thanks for the reply. As a newbie things are not clear for me. So let me > explain the my confusion in detail. > > I have a Public and Static IP Address.What will be the Hostname of my Qmail > Server if my registered domain name is > xyz.com. You can assign any name to it but mail.xyz.com would be somewhat conventional and preferable. Is there any other requirement at server end except Public & > Static IP and FQDN. > > What kind of requirement ? > There are MX Records, A Records, NS Records, SRV Records Tabs in my Domain > Control Panel. Can you elaborate > the options and entries. There must be a Help Section in your Domain Control Panel which should explain the options available. Else you can refer to the following links to learn more about DNS and various types of records: http://dnsuniversity.com/ http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/dnsrecords.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_DNS_record_types http://compnetworking.about.com/od/dns_domainnamesystem/DNS_Domain_Name_System.htm > > Thanks > > Vijay Thakur > Delhi >> Today's Topics: >> >>1. Qmail Help (Vijay Thakur) >>2. Re: Qmail Help (Manish Kathuria) >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Vijay Thakur wrote: >> > Hello All Friends, >> > >> > I have configure Qmail server by following the steps from : >> > http://www.qmailtoaster.com in my Centos 5.6 Server. >> > All is working fine in LAN as per the given steps at Qmail Toaster. Now I >> > want to access my mail server globally like all other >> > E-mail Services e.g. Yahoo, Gmail etc. I have a registered domain. >> > >> > Kindly guide that what things need to change in the server to access it >> in >> > a fancy way like mail.abc.com (webmail) or globally in >> > outlook,thunderbird, evolution etc.. >> > >> > >> > With Warm Wishes, >> > >> > Vijay Thakur >> >> You need to configure DNS for your domain and create an address record >> like mail.yourdomain.com which should point to your server's IP >> address. In order to make it globally accessible over the internet, >> you should ideally have a public and static IP address pointing to the >> server. Further, in order to receive incoming mails for your domain, >> you should also specify the server (mail.yourdomain.com) as the MX for >> your domain in the DNS records. >> >> -- Manish Kathuria www.tuxtechnologies.co.in ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Qmail Help
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Vijay Thakur wrote: > Hello All Friends, > > I have configure Qmail server by following the steps from : > http://www.qmailtoaster.com in my Centos 5.6 Server. > All is working fine in LAN as per the given steps at Qmail Toaster. Now I > want to access my mail server globally like all other > E-mail Services e.g. Yahoo, Gmail etc. I have a registered domain. > > Kindly guide that what things need to change in the server to access it in > a fancy way like mail.abc.com (webmail) or globally in > outlook,thunderbird, evolution etc.. > > > With Warm Wishes, > > Vijay Thakur You need to configure DNS for your domain and create an address record like mail.yourdomain.com which should point to your server's IP address. In order to make it globally accessible over the internet, you should ideally have a public and static IP address pointing to the server. Further, in order to receive incoming mails for your domain, you should also specify the server (mail.yourdomain.com) as the MX for your domain in the DNS records. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
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Re: [ilugd] Open Source Mesh VPN
On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Arjun Venkatraman wrote: > Looking for an open source vpn tool that can set up mesh networks. > Hamachi is nice but its limited by license. > OpenVPN doesnt seem to support mesh > PeerVPN is my best bet so far...anyone used it? > > > Regards > Arjun > Have a look at CloudVPN (http://dev.e-x-a.org/projects/cloudvpn/wiki/Cloudvpn-page) and N2N (http://www.ntop.org/n2n/), though it uses a Supernode for routing. -- Manish Kathuria ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] ISPunity: featured in efytimes.com
> Great application.. Just few months back somebody asked me this question > that can we have multiple connection on a single computer and i was > confused in ethernet and NIC and all... but now i can tell them that YES > there is a solution for that. > > But just to get the knowledge can you explain the theory behind it?? If > possible here... > > -- > Regards > RAKESH KUMAR > http://raakeshkumar.wordpress.com For theoretical background, you can refer to the following documents: Nano-Howto to use more than one independent Internet connection by Christoph Simon - http://www.ssi.bg/~ja/nano.txt Alternative Routes and Dead Gateway Detection for Linux - http://www.ssi.bg/~ja/dgd-usage.txt LARTC HOWTO - http://www.lartc.org/lartc.html#LARTC.RPDB.MULTIPLE-LINKS I think most of the solutions are based on them. You can also go through the LARTC Mailing List (no longer active) Archives which has numerous discussions on this topic. Thanks, -- Manish Kathuria ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] bud
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[ilugd] bud
hey buddy my boss showed me this incredible article that will change your life I currently earning $4k /mo working online less than an hour a day and its risk free getting the kit which is about $2 for shipping http://twurl.nl/s4n8eh No one should have to stress in these tough economic times your buddy Manish ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Question about SWAP and tempfs
It's no hard and fast rule that swap space should be 2xRAM size. In your case, having a 48 GB RAM means that you can live with any amount of swap space. You don't need 96 GB at all. Because 96 GB of swap space means that much of swapping, and if your system is gonna do that much of swapping, then it will die in sometime. Also you can decrease or increase the tmpfs size but i wouldn't recommend. As tmpfs allocates the size dynamically, so if you need RAM then it will swap the pages in tmpfs to swap space and you will get more memory to work with. Still i you want to play with tmpfs then change the parameters in the /etc/fstab file. mount -t tmpfs -o size=1G,nr_inodes=10K,mode=0700 tmpfs /space In this example it will use only 1G of RAM for tmpfs. Hope this helped. In case of any further queries feel free to ping me at manish01...@gmail.com, as i don't check this ID for months :) ~ManishYahoo! --- On Mon, 4/25/11, Rakesh Kumar wrote: From: Rakesh Kumar Subject: Re: [ilugd] Question about SWAP and tempfs To: "The Linux-Delhi mailing list" Date: Monday, April 25, 2011, 2:37 PM [...] On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Amit Sharma wrote: > Hi, > > Couple of questions: > > 1. SWAP partition must always be 2 x RAM? My machien has 48 GB RAM. I have > to create 96GB SWAP partition? Isn't 4 GB or 8 GB good enough? > [...] SWAP partition should be and not "must be" 2 x RAM. It's a rule of thumb that you should have this much RAM. Your swap size depends upon the applications you are gonna use. I agree with Ankit and would suggest that 8-10 GB swap is enough and keep monitoring it. As i know modern kernels comes with a parameter *swappiness* and it's parameters varies from 1 to 100. Higher values lead to more pages being swapped, and lower values lead to more applications being kept in memory, even if they are idle. By default it's set to 60(not sure) so you can change it also to see if it fits you. > > 2. tempfs consumes half of RAM i.e. 24GB in my case as I have 48 GB of > physical RAM installed. Can I reduce it to say 8GB? Can it be done? How? Is > it recommended to reduce tempfs? > regards, > Amit Sharma > > > Thanks and Regards, > Amit Sharma > > ___ > Ilugd mailing list > Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org > http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd > -- Regards RAKESH KUMAR http://www.openwebtech.in http://raakeshkumar.wordpress.com ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] [LONG] Re: Large Debian installations in India
2011/4/1 Raj Mathur (राज माथुर): > Background: > > The client is a large call-out business headquartered in NOIDA with call > centres in 5 other cities in India, including New Delhi. �At the time we > started, they had no IT or automation on the call floor at all. > > Before you see the words "call centre" and freak out, let me assure you > that this is one of those professional ones -- any telecaller found > calling a DNC number is immediately and publicly terminated. �In fact, > preventing calling of DNC was one of the reasons they wanted to give up > manual calling and switch to an IT solution where call-outs could be > controlled. > > All the implementation decisions were taken by Tirveni and I in > conjunction with the client's technical team. �We decided to go with > Asterisk for the telephony part and Linux desktops with headsets for the > tele-callers. > > To answer the specific questions Sudhanwa and Nirmalya put up: > [snip: answers to technical questions (100 lines)] > We were lucky to partner with a very competent networking company for > the LAN portion. �The switch/VLAN design they did is also responsible > for the smoothness of the whole operation. > > To sum up, it is possible to run call-out (and by extension call-in) > centres using purely FOSS tools and technologies. �The two most > important things you need are: > > - A competent team or consultant who understands the technologies and > stumbling blocks involved, and > - Commitment from the organisation's management and technical leaders to > the solution. > > Given these, there is no reason why a FOSS solution cannot surpass > proprietary, commercial solutions in features and performance, and > undercut it thoroughly where pricing is concerned. > This is great. Congratulations! Are you also planning to document the experience and approach as a case study suitable for PHBs? Looking forward to see it in the likes of DQ, PCQ, LFYs, Profit etc. Congrats again. -- Manish ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Ubuntu 10.04 got crashed
On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 9:47 PM, Narendra Sisodiya wrote: > On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Mehul Ved wrote: > >> On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Narendra wrote: >> > On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Rakesh Kumar wrote: >> > >> >> Hi, >> >>One of my friend was using ubuntu 10.04. Today she tried to update >> > >> > >> > my observation >> > rule number one >> > 1) never upgrade Ubuntu , always reinstall.. >> >> Stupid rule. > > > I repeat - golden rule, follow it or get trouble.. > http://www.google.co.in/search?q=ubuntu+upgrade+10.04+to+10.10+failed > > Google says - 1,96,000 Results. , > > http://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&q=ubuntu+%2B+upgrade+%2B+failed > Google says - 15,00,000 Results > > I guess u are lucky,,, please add me to the lucky list. i have been upgrading ubuntu since 8.04 to 10.10 without any trouble (except thinkpad specific features breaking but then there are kind souls that share workarounds / solutions on thinkwiki.) may be running no exotic harware and upgrade only after a few weeks of release might have something to do wit hit. ;-) cheers! -- manish ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Buying a New Dell Laptop Without Windows
On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 12:12 AM, Narendra Sisodiya wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 11:04 PM, subodh wrote:
>
>> Can I buy a Dell laptop without the Windows Operating System so
>> that i can cut cost on that?
As Kartik pointed out: most models without Windows preinstalled are
likely to be underpowered.
>> Also it is unfare to forcefully sell windows to customer who are
>> unware of the choices.
There is not force involved. Ignorance is no excuse for getting
fleeced. And you will find that unfair does not imply illegal.
>> Some step similar to European Union in case of web browser choice(
>> http://mynetx.net/#!/2042/eu-settles-web-browser-arguement-with-microsoft)
>> should be taken.
>>
>>
> This can be tried.. but this need a good amount of effort and legal
> work. we may need to hire legal services . This if we able to take
> Windows refund then it will be a "small revolution" in nehru place
> in the content of FOSS.. {infact india} I am willing to provide any
> help you need in this case !
I tried getting a refund about two years ago. Even spoke to a couple
of lawyers but few understand the issue. Majority of my efforts were
meant to make Lenovo see my point (which, of course, they did not
see.) I did not try filing a simple complaint to a consumer court
which I think I should have. There was a suggestion to publish the
story but was warned that most publications will not do so (including
LFY) for various reasons.
Here are some suggestions to make your case air-tight. Document
everything: video tape box opening, first boot, license text and your
rejection of it (if you choose to do so ;-). Try and have a couple of
witnesses around while you do it. State clearly why you think you
should get the refund, send refund request to the vendor with evidence
of your disagreement with license requesting an acknowledgement, wait
for some reasonable period. Hopefully you get a favorable response or
at the very least an acknowledgment that they received your
request. File a complaint in consumer court with all the evidence,
request sent to vendor and their acknowledgement (if you do get that)
and their resposne (if they rejected your refund request.)
You will find it's not an easy battle and your life and work will get
in the way pretty soon. Sadly, not all of us have the tenacity (or
conviction) of a Stallman. :-( Please understand I am not trying to
dissuade you; I am just trying to prepare you for what you might face
if you do choose to pursue this.
All the best!
--
Manish
PS: I am willing to contribute a reasonable sum towards legal fees if
it does come to that.
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[ilugd] linux
when i make virtual m/c on my system(redhat). it require tcp/ip of ipv4 and ipv6. i have no net connection. so what manual setting i should give in them so that i can make virtual m/c on my system. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] LVM and ext3 size relationship
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Sirtaj Singh Kang wrote: > Hi all, > > I'd like some assistance in understanding the relationship between > the size of an LVM2 logical volume and ext3. > > If I want to grow an ext3 fs by size X in mb, how do I calculate > the size Y by which I have to first resize the LVM volume on which > it resides? Most sources I've read online say something like "make > it a little bigger just to be safe" but I'm hoping there is a > better and more accurate formula than that. does -L option of lvextend not serve the purpose? i use it to resize [increase ;-)] the size of LVs before resizing/inflating the filesystem (xfs). or did i just misread your question? hth -- manish ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] RHEL bootable via pen drive....
Hi Team ! Is it possible to make boot able pen drive for Red Hat Linux Enterprise Edition 5.0 or any other red hat older version?? if so than how as i didn't able to do so Regards, Manish ,Hiet,Ghaziabad ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] LDAP server configuration in Red Hat
hw to configure the LDAP server in red hat enterprise linux ,any one guide me the URL /pdf or any way to configure this for my college /campus . regards, manish,hitech institute ,ghaziabad ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Efax
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Anupama wrote: > Hi, > > How can one send and receive fax using the efax utility? I have ubuntu 8.04 > and have downloaded efax and efax-gtk. Do i need to download a soft modem? > Any help in this regard is appreciated. > > Thanks > Anupama > > You would need a modem capable of sending faxes (fax modem). The term soft modem does not refer to a software which you can download. It stands for software modem, which uses the host system's resources for processing. Many of the laptops come with an inbuilt modem (which is mostly a soft modem). In case you don't have a modem already, make sure you either buy a hardware modem or a software modem supported on Linux since soft modems have been problematic on Linux. Once you are able to make your modem work on your distribution, configure efax. You can refer to the man page and the following links for help: http://www.cce.com/efax/documentation/efax.txt http://efax-gtk.sourceforge.net/README http://www.linuxfocus.org/English/July2002/article249.shtml -- Manish Kathuria ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] Email archival without mailing list software
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Saurabh Nanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Read my thoughts at > http://nandz.blogspot.com/2008/10/email-archival-without-mailing-list.html > -- does anyone know of something similar that exists already? > MailArchive (http://www.mailarchiva.com/) having Open Source and Enterprise Editions. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] K3b Burn Bootable CD
Thanks for the reply.. But this does not work. I googled and found that a Boot image is to be included. But whatever boot images I downloaded, did not work.. :-(.. Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] K3b Burn Bootable CD
Hi, I am trying to burn a Win XP bootable CD in K3B. I have the WinXp cd dump. How do I burn this on a CD so that the it becomes bootable? regards, Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Need Technical Help - for creating custom Linux Distro
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 8:07 AM, Goldwyn Rodrigues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Kiran K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> >> I never worked ever building a custom Linux Distro. If there is anyone who >> want to volunteer you are welcome. Or possible if you have any suggestions >> or ideas on the same please feel free to communicate with me. >> > > You may look at customizing Linux distributions off the shelf, Suse > Studio (http://www.susestudio.com) is one such example, though it is > still in Alpha stage now. > You can also have a look at the following: http://www.rpath.com/rbuilder/project/rpath/ http://wiki.rpath.com/wiki/rPath_Linux -- Manish Kathuria Tux Technologies http://www.tuxtechnologies.co.in/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Command Line PNR Enquiry Script
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 8:31 PM, narendra sisodiya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Anurag <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> 2008/7/15 Shamail Tayyab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> > Warning: No one is authorised to make any type of commercial usage like >> > putting web advertisements or SMS service and >> > Reproducing/Transmitting/Storing in its database, any content of >> > www.indianrail.gov.in <http://www.indianrail.gov.in> website, without >> > prior written permission from Indian Railways. Violators will be >> > severely prosecuted. >> I don't think the perl script created should violate the copyright since its just an alternate means of querying the site using a text browser. > What about erail.in , they just have fast access and using iframes in very > efficient manner in term of GUI. Train searching is very very easy job on > that site, I do not is this legal or not. > I think it is legal as for display purpose they are using Iframes . Just checked up the site erail.in and the speed is really amazing. Its all the more impressive considering the fact that they are using the official Indian Railways / IRCTC site located in India in real time and forwarding the results through a server hosted in the US. But what's the legal status in view of the notice displayed on the official site ? -- Manish Kathuria ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] DUAL BOOT DILEMMA
There is no way out of this situation without losing anything. There are different scenarios and different solution for everyone of this. If u have something specific to ask then may be i could help but explaining every scenario will jam my fingers. So reply back if anything specific questions. ~Manish Yahoo! --- On Wed, 6/4/08, Sudev Barar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Errr aashish good form to bottom post and if you were successful in problem solving put out the final sollution so that it is available to all who face similar problems. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From: Sudev Barar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [ilugd] DUAL BOOT DILEMMA To: "The Linux-Delhi mailing list" <ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org> Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 9:43 AM 2008/6/4 aashish khanna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > GUYS thanx alot for ur time and advice, and sorry to those who got pissed > off my silly questions..u've all been a gr8 help Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] squidguard config
On Tue, 2008-06-03 at 15:29 +0530, sarvandra kumar wrote: > hi all > i want to configure squidGuard on RHEL 4 as any one can help me > to configure squidGurd simple step by step Please follow the steps in http://www.squidguard.org/Doc/ Since you are using RHEL, you can also try to install it through a RPM for your distribution version. HTH, -- Manish Kathuria www.tuxtechnologies.co.in ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] DUAL BOOT DILEMMA
5. but during the boot on selecting the "other" it shows rootnoverify(hd0,4) chainloader +1 This line is correct. At the installation time it shows u r selecting hda5. b'coz operating system starts the count from 1 but at the boot it will show 4 b'coz BIOS starts the count from 0 and hence it stays to 4. *** As windows boot is considered u won't be able to boot windows from D drive. Sorry but windows S***KS. Windows scans for ur hard drive and expected some minimal file in the primary partition that means C. So u can't run windows without C drive. U can play with all ur hard drive but u have to save the C drive for windows if u need windows on ur system. If u need further help then feel free to mail me on "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" as i check yahoo mails very rare. Hope u r still alive (help me out ,i NEED a dual boot else my sister will slit my throat) ... :) ~Manish Yahoo! --- On Tue, 6/3/08, aashish khanna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: aashish khanna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [ilugd] DUAL BOOT DILEMMA To: "The Linux-Delhi mailing list" <ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org> Date: Tuesday, June 3, 2008, 10:16 PM dude...the command asks fort the password and then says the user is not a sudoer...and in the root it does not recognize the command On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Mehul Ved <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:48:13AM -0400, aashish khanna wrote: > > also mehul how to reapair MBR???is it by using windows install CD? > > Yes, from the windows CD go to the repair mode. Just search for fixboot > and fixmbr you should get a lot of results. > But, before that it would do a lot of good to post the output of > sudo fdisk -l > from your distro. > -- > It seems like once people grow up, they have no idea what's cool. > -- Calvin > > ___ > ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org > http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd > Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 > Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi > http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ > ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Fwd: Fwd: M$ Tax Refund Quest
On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 10:41 PM, Manish wrote: [snip] > So I guess there are going to be two parts to > this effort/fight: short term and long term. > The short term part needs to be dealt with in > MRTP and/or consumer court. BTW, meanwhile > Lenovo is figuring out their address in India > that can receive a legal notice. > But what about the long term issue? Who/which > organization needs to be influenced/educated to > implement it? Do we even attempt it? How? Do > we discuss it here at all since the list is for > "Linux and Linux-related issues" and this may be > considered off-topic. IMHO, it's not since it's > about computing freedom. Lenovo finally sent an address for legal notice. And I just spoke to a local lawyer. Here are the minutes: - Explained the situation to him. - He said that vendor can not disown the product and this is tantamount to cheating. - He suggested approaching high court since consumer forums are not equipped for this. - My suggestion of approaching consumer forum/MRTP was not taken very enthusiastically. - He told that many cases in consumer forums drag from 3 months to over an year. - He suggested also filing for damages as well for lost time and mental peace. - I told him that I am not primarily after financial damages (and determining fair price of Windows would be another long debate) and would like Lenovo to admit that what they did was wrong and issue a written apology. - I also that I wish a PIL could be filed since it is a general practice/problem and most consumers either are not aware or do not bother and are taken for a ride. - He reaffirmed that High Court would be the right place. - He told that INR 12,000.00 would be the charges for the whole case including serving legal notice, court appearances etc. I would appreciate advice from the list at this point. It's the first step I need help with rest will take it's own natural logical course. -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] M$ Tax Refund Quest
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: [snip] >>Does that sound reasonable? :) > > Just thinking. If I am the manufacturer, would I > care if you accept or do not accept the EULA? As > long as you don't violate the terms of the EULA > (no matter that you did not accept it). I guess a manufacturer doesn't care either ways, as long s/he does not have to refund/credit anything. If there's a violation (attributable to consumer) then MS deals with it, not manufacturer. -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] M$ Tax Refund Quest
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Raj Mathur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > So here's my counter-proposal to Lenovo, MS, and any other interested > party: > > My terms of buying a computer from you: > > I will willingly buy and use your computer with Winduhs or any other OS > pre-installed, but I will not accept the EULA. If this is OK by you, > then I will not ask for a refund on Winduhs either. > > Does that sound reasonable? :) Very. - Refund clause is an integral part of the license. - MS passes on the responsibility that it entails to OEMs. - OEMs ignore the clause, hence the license. - Now, how can it be binding on consumers alone? Either consumer gets a refund or s/he has "bought" the right to ignore (you accept but ignore) the EULA as well. hehe. -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Fwd: [Ilugc] Fwd: M$ Tax Refund Quest
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 3:57 PM, sudhanwa Jogalekar wrote: [snip] > Lets have a Hall of Shame list also for such > companies/devices. At least people can look at > the list and decide NOT to purchase those > devices. Every time someone purchases anything > other than the list, a mail should be send to > the manufacturer mentioning the hall of shame > list and why he/she has chosen product which is > NOT part of the list. If the companies can > improve on their policies from such feedback > mails, it will be bonus!! I am sure this will help but will require that the number of people who do this is size-able and matter to OEMs. IMHO, a statutory requirement of "No/Free OS" option or at the very least a simple, enforceable, documented and time-bound refund process is what we really really need. -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] [COMMERCIAL] Fwd: Yahoo req “UNI X/Linux” for “Tech Lead/Engineering Manager ” position for Banglore Location
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Re: [ilugd] [OT] M$ Tax Refund Quest
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 12:41 AM, Naresh Narang wrote: [snip] > > This is great effort and will help community at large > but I think this OT discussion has gone too far for > this list and Linux's survival is not dependent on MS > bashing. Just a quick clarifications. I do not think I have engaged in MS bashing so far (except for the one line don/goon imagery.) > Please take this discussion to some relevant > list. Sure, if sufficient number of members are of this opinion. -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] M$ Tax Refund Quest
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Raj Mathur wrote: [snip] > > Oh, are you saying that the application/web site has been designed and > implemented by these Foundation dudes? If that is the case I'm > thoroughly disappointed -- I'd have thought that the luminaries behind > the Foundation (on the aboutus page) would have just a tiny bit of a > clue. Yes. :) >From the aboutus page: "Krishna Rupanagunta - Chief Operating Officer: ... At eGovernments Foundation he not only takes care of operations but also leads the eGov Financial product suite." "Manu Srivastava - Director Product Development: ... He has architected and developed many of the eGov products such as - Property Tax Information System which is live in cities such as Bangalore, Delhi etc." Anand Shankar's excellent suggestion of suggesting clauses for RFPs is the right way forward, IMHO. (see: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi/19091/match=suggest+certain+clauses+rfps) But I agree, this, coming from /these/ folks, is disappointing. -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] M$ Tax Refund Quest
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 7:37 AM, Raj Mathur wrote: > Sent a mail to the Municipal Corporation of Delhi > yesterday, whose web site > (http://www.mcdpropertytax.in/staff/index.jsp) > requires you to use IE to file property tax. > Let's see what (if anything) happens. I think a better place/people to address this one would be the fountainhead behind this site--eGovernments Foundation, based in Bangalore, founded by Nandan Nilekani. And solving the problem here should help dozens of such sites run for various municipalities across the country. I wonder how much leverage MCD would have to get this sorted out, if at all. http://www.egovernments.org/aboutus.htm May be a separate thread or wiki page to follow this one up? -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Fwd: [Ilugc] Fwd: M$ Tax Refund Quest
On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Praveen A wrote: > Looks like I have to keep forwarding :-( Interesting observation from ilugc. Thank you. Is there anything that I can do to help? > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Kapil Hari Paranjape <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2008/5/17 > Subject: Re: [Ilugc] Fwd: [ilugd] M$ Tax Refund Quest > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [snip] > > If you want to buy a high-end laptop then your best option is to ask > for a Windows refund from the manufacturer _after_ buying the machine > as the member of ilugd is doing. > > You need to be quite careful to ensure that the EULA is not > accepted. Often the vendor will _helpfully_ unpack and install the > system for you and click through the EULA acceptance. It is not clear > that this acceptance is legally binding on you. Its not even clear > what the Indian courts think about click-through licenses! I think both Microsoft and OEMs are trying to take advantage of docile/unaware Indian consumers. How? Because Microsoft has a very clear refund policy for their North American customers. (see: http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/productrefund/refund.mspx) No similar policy exists on their Indian website or for Indian consumers. And for preloaded copies Microsoft has left the decision to OEMs. Lenovo has not published any refund policy on their website (I did search) and conveniently rejected the refund request by saying that their refund policy is not to refund! This is outrageous and unacceptable and has to be against some law. > I think that our best hope is to convince the manufacturers that > these are a few isolated cases and it is simplest for them to settle > the amount whenever it is asked for. You can also argue that if a > large number of people are asking for the refund it means that they > should drop condition (a) above. > > This is only one aspect of the "Microsoft Eco-System". I just hope Indian government and law is not part of this ecosystem. And I also hope the law has enough teeth to ensure that consumers are protected against such unfair practices. -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Looking for some webcam application in GNU/Linux
On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 4:01 AM, Ashish Shukla wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi, > > I'm running GNOME 2.20 on Gentoo Linux and I'm looking for a webcam > application in GNU/Linux, which can do capture streaming video and still > photograph, something like Cheese in GNOME 2.22. If not able to > streaming video capture, at least able to capture a still photograph. I > want to use it with my v4l2, UVC Webcam. > > Has anyone aware of any such application ? guvcview works for me: http://developer.berlios.de/projects/guvcview/ -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] ilugd Digest, Vol 62, Issue 25
Kamal, This email was titled differently so missed to see this earlier. On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 9:21 PM, Kamal Dave wrote: > > Manish/ List > Under the Consumer protection act, action can be initiated against such > bundling > > for the benefit of all, > > [As per section 2 (c) (i) > "complaint" means any allegation in writing made by a complainant that— > an unfair trade practice or a restrictive trade practice has been adopted by > any trader or service provider; Complaint to whom: authorities or vendor? Is email considered "in writing"? > and as per section 2(nnn)Restrictive Trade practice is > (nnn)"restrictive trade practice" means a trade practice which tends > to bring about manipulation of price or conditions of delivery or to affect > flow of supplies in the market relating to goods or services in such a manner > as to impose on the consumers unjustified costs or restrictions and shall > include— > (a) delay beyond the > period agreed to by a trader in supply of such goods or in providing the > services which has led or is likely to lead to rise in the price; > (b) any trade practice which requires a consumer > to buy, hire or avail of any goods or, as the case may be, services as > condition precedent to buying, hiring or availing of other goods or services;] Can I interpret (b) to mean that Lenovo requiring that I purchase a Windows license as a precedent to buying their laptop as a restrictive practice? > Therefore action under consumer protection act be initiated. No > lawyer is needed in contesting the case, so you can choose the forum > where you wish to initiate proceedings. You mean, I represent myself? :) That will be some experience. BTW, generally, how much time does a case take in a consumer court? I do not think a consumer court would be empowered to rule beyond this specific case to hit at the root cause and prevent such cases from happening again. For example, like my earlier suggestion (in a separate email) of requiring vendors to publish a refund policy as a pamphlet and bundle with the machine. I would love to be wrong on this. > Civil Courts and as also said by Sudev, you can alternatively go > before the Monopolies and Restrictive Trade Commission with your > complaint. Who sends notice to Lenovo and when? What's the first step? Thanks for your expert advice. Appreciate it. -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 10:54 PM, Manish wrote: > On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Raj Mathur wrote: >> On Tuesday 13 May 2008, Manish wrote: >> > I am going to remove their name from the Hall of Shame. >> >> Hmm, instead of removing it, why not make a section that prominently >> displays the names of organisations who have listened to the community >> and made their sites FOSS-friendly? That might encourage more >> organisations to follow suit: ``See? If IDBI and ICICI can do it, so >> can you!''. >> >> You might also consider adding a short history of the correspondence you >> had with them, which can be used by people trying to get other sites to >> be more open. And once again, nice work! > > Excellent idea! Will do it as soon as I find sufficient free time to > summarize. Finally done! Made an entry to "Successes" section and full story here: http://wiki.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/HowIDBIWasWonBack -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Fwd: Fwd: M$ Tax Refund Quest
Warning: long email (143 lines) Consolidating many emails. Atanu> I need some info before I can take this up as a story... Could you be a little more specific please? Atanu> When you buy a pre-bundled Windoze and boot it for Atanu> the first time, does this licence pop up, or the Atanu> machine starts normally, and you have to access Atanu> the licence somewhere to have a look at it? You power it up and the second screen (first one is language selection, I think) displays two licenses (in small text boxes where you need to scroll a lot, possibly to discourage from reading it): first one is the MS EULA and second one is Lenovo terms and conditions. There are check-marks to indicate your acceptance to the licenses under each one. There's no other means to indicate your refusal other than switching the machine off. Unless both are agreed to the "Next" button does not get activated. I took a picture of the screen at that stage but it's about 2 megs. @Niyam: Thanks for everything. Seriously, I couldn't have spread it so far and wide and got involved so many people and publications on my own. Sudev> Manish do not feel that you are being made a murga Sudev> but "hum tumhare peeche hain" ;-) :) Thank you. I really appreciate the sentiment. Mr. Rao> 1. Most OEMs sell laptops with Linux/DOS preloaded Mr. Rao> on them. So you don't *have* to buy a Vista Mr. Rao> machine. As Dhiraj pointed out, hardware vendors do not offer high-end models with GNU/Linux. What if what you want does not come without Windows? Do you buy and compromise (i.e. pay M$ tax) or not buy and compromise (i.e. buy an inferior machine?) Aage kuan peeche khayee. Kenneth> I do not see why we should not reward those Kenneth> manufacturers that treat linux with respect and Kenneth> buy hardware from them. Maybe a small sacrifice Kenneth> that one will not get the 'exact' config one Kenneth> wants - but then, that is the price of freedom ... If the machine in question suits your needs, absolutely. But that's not the point. See more below. Anupam> Or maybe 'punish' the ones that don't by asking Anupam> for refunds.. Just as effective in my opinion and Anupam> you can buy whatever machine you want.. I agree except that it's not punishment. It's just being fair. I compared the refund/credit statements of Windows XP and Windows Vista EULAs. ,[ Windows XP (on a machine with functioning Vista) ] | IF YOU DO NOT AGREE, DO NOT INSTALL OR USE THE PRODUCT; YOU MAY RETURN | IT TO YOUR PLACE OF PURCHASE FOR A FULL REFUND. ` ,[ Windows Vista (on a "virgin" machine) ] | IF YOU DO NOT ACCEPT THEM, DO NOT USE THE SOFTWARE. INSTEAD, CONTACT | THE MANUFACTURER OR INSTALLER TO DETERMINE THEIR RETURN POLICY FOR A | REFUND OR CREDIT. ` The choice of words is telling. Microsoft seems to have left the decision to refund at OEM's/installers' discretion (at least in the case of machines preloaded with Vista.) And OEMs may conveniently choose not to refund at all! What galls me are the statements like these: "Nevertheless, 140 million PCs have sold with paid copies installed." (http://money.cnn.com/2008/05/02/technology/Kirkpatrick_Microsoft.fortune/index.htm?section=money_fastforward) Paid my foot, I feel I have been pick pocketed by Lenovo on Microsoft's behalf. Imagine MS as some kind of don and L as servile sucking up local goon collecting "hafta" (extortion money) or pick pocketing for the don. :) >From my perspective, the whole issue boils down to these arguments/points to be settled. 1. Is it legal for OEMs to bundle software with the machines AND charge for it and require consumers to agree to a license before they can use it (after having paid)? 2. Are the terms of the Windows license (EULA) enforceable in India? 3. If a customer does not agree to the license required to use the bundled software, then does/should the consumer have a right to refund? 4. Are the terms of the license legally binding on only the paying consumers or also on the vendor (OEM)? 5. Can OEMs refuse to be bound by the terms and conditions of a software license _they_ bundled and charged for (agreed they did not author it but they did charge for it)? If OEMs are exempt then how can the terms be binding on consumer? 6. What is the fair price of Windows to be refunded? In my opinion, it should be at par with the market price or OEMs need to disclose the price at which they bought licenses (for legal entities to determine the fair price.) In case it turns out that this land does have a fair law and has not sold out to corporates at the expense of consumers, then following is what I expect to get out of this Mahabharat when/if this ends. Short term/this specific case --
Re: [ilugd] M$ Tax Refund Quest
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Praveen A wrote: > 2008/5/14 Naresh Narang: >>> Let's replace the case of Winduhs with, say, a >>> bundled Reliance/Tata >>> PCMCIA data card in a special offer. Having bought >>> a laptop with one >>> of those cards, would you then be able to claim a >>> refund on it because >>> you didn't want to use it? If not, then how is the >>> case of Winduhs >>> different? > > Windows EULA explicitly states that you can get a refund if you don't > agree to it. Slight correction. It only asks you to contact the reseller for their refund or credit policy, not that you _can_ get it. It's then upto the reseller's refund/credit policy (which may not exist or be simply to deny such requests). I guess they are only required by law to keep this clause there but may not be required to refund/credit anything. :) -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] up nic registration forms [OT}
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 3:27 PM, PJ wrote: > Manish writes: >> >> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 1:29 PM, PJ wrote: > >> > UP is a state that if it was a country would be in the top 6 by population >> > ranking. >> >> UP is #1 actually (ref: http://cyberjournalist.org.in/census/cenindia.html) > > I meant country as subset of world, not state as subset of country. > > So UP alone should be in the top 6 of countries by population if it > were a country is my assertion. You are right. Sorry, I misunderstood you. -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] up nic registration forms
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:32 PM, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: > >> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 > > Raj seems to have moved on in life. :-P That was quite some time ago.. http://article.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi/13673/match=automatically+grab+sender+addresses+kmail And the move produced kbbdb: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi/13693/match=addresses+kmail -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] up nic registration forms
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 6:50 PM, Raj Mathur wrote: > On Wednesday 14 May 2008, PJ wrote: >> I'm having trouble viewing the pdf documents on >> >> http://registryoffice.up.nic.in/ >> >> (other than the marriage registration document). Eg: click on the >> 'certified copy" link. The pdf doc that comes up renders as >> gobbledygook. > > I could be wrong, but my guess is that the documents are Hindi with some > proprietary font. Don't know enough about PDF to try to dissect > them... > > Anyone with a Winduhs computer who can check whether the PDFs render in > vanilla Winduhs? Checked on Adobe Reader 8.0 Win X SP2. Same gobbledygook. > P.S. Are we renaming this list to ilugd-activists ? :) Personally, I am beginning to feel like one. -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] up nic registration forms
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 1:29 PM, PJ wrote: > I'm having trouble viewing the pdf documents on > > http://registryoffice.up.nic.in/ > > (other than the marriage registration document). Eg: click on the 'certified > copy" link. The pdf doc that comes up renders as gobbledygook. > > I'd like to contact them, but the contact, instead of being plain html is > pdf, > rendered - you guessed it - as gobbledygook. > > Clicking around further to try and find out who should take credit for this, > I see that most of the site is pdfs that can't be rendered. How unfathomable. > Why would anyone do that? My eyebrows crawled right up my scalp and over to > the > back of my head in astonishment. > > UP is a state that if it was a country would be in the top 6 by population > ranking. UP is #1 actually (ref: http://cyberjournalist.org.in/census/cenindia.html) > So providing such crap service without getting its producers lynched > by an outraged mob is really pretty damned impressive. > > If anyone can figure out how to complain about this, do let me know. Try this http://nicsu.up.nic.in/ -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] M$ Tax Refund Quest
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 4:57 PM, Tanveer Singh wrote: [snip] > > Its the official policy of most major newpapers/magazines not to post > anything against advertisers. So unless there is a major court case and > convictions etc., the story will not be published. Sorry for questioning your statement but why are you so sure? Do you have any direct experience? -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] M$ Tax Refund Quest
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Linux Lingam wrote: > [snip] > > > > Meanwhile try to get a story posted on slashdot. > > > in the days of sincere and professional journalism, > newspapers and magazines would get their journalists to get on the > phone, and/or chase down legal experts, and industry experts, to get a > multi-dimensional, unbiased, investigative report, with citations, > references, documentation, and basically, hard-nosed journalism > at-work. Industry experts? As in folks from Infosys, Wipro, HCL, TCS, NASSCOM, ...? Same folks who genuflected before MS and voted for OOXML? > Express Computer, LinuxForYou, PCQuest, DataQuest, PCWorld, Chip, Digit > The Hindu, Times of India, Hindustan Times, Economic Times... > > i *wonder* who among them understand the news-worthiness of this > story, and appreciate the due-diligence and persistence required to > handle this story? You do. And you are a journalist. And I am not kidding. > freedom of the press > is not too different > from freedom in software. > > or is Lenovo or microsoft or more important as an advertiser? Rahul from LFY can help us get an insight into this. -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] M$ Tax Refund Quest
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 10:43 PM, Manish wrote: [snip] > Yes, I was aware that it had Windows pre-installed. The > advertisements did not say that I will have to agree to a separate > (restrictive) license nor did it list the terms of the license > anywhere I could read before I made the purchase (I will have to > double check this.) I had access to the terms (unacceptable) only > after I had purchased the notebook. :) Just checked. Lenovo website does not display the Windows EULA anywhere and nor does it warn users that they would be required to agree to a license with terms that are not known to them at the time of making a purchase. And anyways anything they say on their website is suspect since I also found this gem at their website: "Lenovo assumes no responsibility regarding the accuracy of the information that is provided by Lenovo and use of such information is at the recipient's own risk." Oh Lenovo, why do you not take responsibility for the accuracy of a website that is totally under your control and used to conduct your business for profit. You only want to have customers pay you in good faith and then you betray them by not agreeing to terms of a license that _you_ bundle. Simply amazing. I have had better experience with people and projects that have simply given away their fruits of labor both in terms of speed and quality of response and they did take "accuracy" of their work and statements personally. In another context: I just had someone visit me claiming to "verify" details that I provided in a credit card application in my own handwriting. Earlier also the company had a data entry operator call and verify the same details. This dude is not even carrying any ID and when I refused to share any details then he tells me, "No problem sir it is anyways not required, just formality". Their agent also had similar attitude when I was filling out the forms. Why are we doing this? Why are we wasting so much energy, money and time on appearance's on sham? It's the same everywhere I see: passport offices, employment contracts, rental agreements, income-tax office, everywhere. Disrespect and casual attitude towards everything. And you are supposed to take it without a whimper. If you question these practices and attitudes and make a noise then they look at you as if they have never seen a Vogon before. Isn't all of this somehow related? Disrespect, thoughtlessness and crass attitude towards customers, employees, citizens, procedure, propriety, patients, students, ... Promise I won't repeat such off-topic stuff. I just had to get it out of the system. May be I should start a blog to vent. And I think I should not be seeking just a refund from Lenovo but also a personal and printed apology. -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] M$ Tax Refund Quest
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:26 AM, Raj Mathur wrote: > On Wednesday 14 May 2008, Manish wrote: > > [snip] > > > It's not Microsoft who is supposed to refund but the reseller (as I > > understand from the license.) Besides the license asks to contact > > the "manufacturer or installer", if you do not agree to the license, > > "to determine their return policy for a refund or credit". And then > > they tell you that the policy is to not refund. How contrivedly > > convenient. > > Ah, then you're very much within your rights to get a refund or credit. > After all, they can't blame you for following the instructions on the > licence itself! I certainly hope so. > As a multitude of other people on this list have pointed out, the > consumer courts are probably the best place to take this issue to. > However, I'd let the vendor know that I was planning to approach the > consumer court beforehand, to give them a chance to be > gentlemen/gentlewomen/gentlepersons-of-indeterminate-gender, play nice > and refund the money before their name gets dragged in the mud. I have just been told not to waste their and my time about pursuing this further with them since "The management have made the decision, and we are not refunding you for the Operating System. This decision is final." I have told them that I intend to take this issue to Indian consumer court and have also requested them to share their Indian correspondence address so that a legal notice can be served on them. > On a side note, if this becomes common I wonder what changes MS is going > to make in their licence? :) Will they remove the ``if you do not > agree'' section altogether? Or are they required by law to keep it > there? None whatsoever. I suspect the clause exists because of US law and not because Indian law requires it which is why they sound so confident about brushing it off. Hence my repeated suspicion if it is binding under Indian law. Guess there's only one way to find out. > IANAL, TINLA. Ack. -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] M$ Tax Refund Quest
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > On 14-May-08, at 2:37 AM, Linux Lingam wrote: > > > hence the helpful 'decline' or 'do not accept' button or equivalent, > > provided by the user-friendly microsoft. > > this is no longer provided - accept or switch off I wish would just ask incredulously "Are you really sure you are not nuts?!" and then delete the partition with the payload upon confirmation. -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] M$ Tax Refund Quest
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Praveen A wrote: > 2008/5/13 Raj Mathur : > > > On a side note, if this becomes common I wonder what changes MS is going > > to make in their licence? :) Will they remove the ``if you do not > > agree'' section altogether? Or are they required by law to keep it > > there? > > Windows Vista EULA does not have an option like this. Which Vista EULA does not? Because Vista Business does. Please see my earlier email for verbatim quote. -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] M$ Tax Refund Quest
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 4:34 AM, Mani A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > > I bought an ACER laptop (Aspire 4520) that was supposed to have Linpus > Linux installed as per all documents and the sealed packaging. But > inside they had installed Win XP + M$word without even a sticker or a > CD... apparently an Indian OEM edition. I did want a refund on that, > but they have simply refused to reply after "promising to get back to > you after consultation" and questions about details of the purchase. I would love to know what happens next. > In your case, their refusal is illegal as there is a refund clause, > but no trace of contradictions to that anywhere. By refusing the > refund, they are violating the M$ license. Ask for a refund from M$ > too. The specific statement reads: "By using the software, you accept these terms. If you do not accept them, do not use the software. Instead, contact the manufacturer or installer to determine their return policy for a refund or credit". So far so good. And then the installer tells you: "This is a management decision that we are not refunding the operating system that bundles with the laptop". So there you have your refund/credit policy. Sounds like: "You can shove it where you want. You have paid, now we care a damn." It stings. -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] M$ Tax Refund Quest
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 2:37 AM, Linux Lingam wrote: > [snip] > > start publicly documenting every step, and auditing the time and > effort. you could even blog about it in advance. Primary reason I did not do it in public (other than just seeking advice) was to not let them blame me for malice and trying to extort when they would have complied easily. The dealer knows that I did not agree to the license. I am reasonable sure they would attest to that (unless these companies decide to OOXMLize them.) Lenovo's own service center knows this since I have been there already (motherboard replacement). > set that first precedent in an indian court of law. > > oh well, this should work easily. > no one is against you for not breaking the law. not even microsoft. > they should and most probably will honour your request for a refund. > it's no big deal. To Lenovo's credit (sort of), they did offer to refund the cost of the whole laptop so I can buy one without Windows. This was/is unacceptable since that means (and they agree) getting an inferior machine. It's not Microsoft who is supposed to refund but the reseller (as I understand from the license.) Besides the license asks to contact the "manufacturer or installer", if you do not agree to the license, "to determine their return policy for a refund or credit". And then they tell you that the policy is to not refund. How contrivedly convenient. There is something very wrong going on here... it seems all premeditated (yes, despite Hanlon's razor.) I naively thought that we may have to bitch about the actual cost to be refunded and not the fact that they need to refund (or credit.) Why on earth does that "refund or credit" statement exist in the license? Is it enforcable? -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Raj Mathur wrote: > On Tuesday 13 May 2008, Manish wrote: > > [snip] > > > A small win. I am glad to inform that IDBI have finally come through > > on their promise. Login tested successfully from Firefox 2 on > > Windows and Firefox 3 on Ubuntu. :) > > Congratulations! This would be a success story in itself :) Thank you. Will also try to have them change the notice on the page that declares that it works best with IE. Let's see how that goes. > > I am going to remove their name from the Hall of Shame. > > Hmm, instead of removing it, why not make a section that prominently > displays the names of organisations who have listened to the community > and made their sites FOSS-friendly? That might encourage more > organisations to follow suit: ``See? If IDBI and ICICI can do it, so > can you!''. > > You might also consider adding a short history of the correspondence you > had with them, which can be used by people trying to get other sites to > be more open. And once again, nice work! Excellent idea! Will do it as soon as I find sufficient free time to summarize. I also owe IDBI helpdesk and management a thank you note to let them know that their efforts and understanding is appreciated (may be also a small 2 cm ad in a newspaper.. how much will it cost anyway, right?) -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] M$ Tax Refund Quest
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Raj Mathur wrote: > On Tuesday 13 May 2008, Manish wrote: > > [snip] > > > Thanks. What I am beginning to wonder is if it's okay under Indian > > law to bundle products (that too from different companies.) Feels > > like arm twisting to me.. and it hurts. But if it's okay under law > > then I am not sure I have a case. > > Playing the Devil's Advocate here for a bit: > > When you bought the laptop, you must have both seen advertisements for > it in the papers, trade journals, etc, and received a proforma invoice. > The ads and the invoice would have clearly listed out the features of > the product, and Winduhs would have been included in that list. > > Therefore, I can question your capability to refuse to accept one of the > known, listed features of the laptop after delivery. It would be a > different matter if after receiving the laptop you were surprised out > of your wits and said, ``Oh my $deity, this has Windows!'', but that > didn't happen, did it? :) Yes, I was aware that it had Windows pre-installed. The advertisements did not say that I will have to agree to a separate (restrictive) license nor did it list the terms of the license anywhere I could read before I made the purchase (I will have to double check this.) I had access to the terms (unacceptable) only after I had purchased the notebook. :) > Let's replace the case of Winduhs with, say, a bundled Reliance/Tata > PCMCIA data card in a special offer. Having bought a laptop with one > of those cards, would you then be able to claim a refund on it because > you didn't want to use it? If not, then how is the case of Winduhs > different? Depends on the terms of the special offer, I guess. -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Manish wrote: > On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Manish wrote: > > I have been following up with IDBI bank on the same issue for past few > > weeks (they move slower than frozen molasses going uphill). They were > > told about Hall of Shame and their entry there. I am getting nowhere > > with them and am considering moving to AXIS bank. Here's the latest > > correspondance. > > An encouraging update from IDBI on the above issue: > > "We wish to inform you that the necessary rectification is under > process and you can log in to your Internet Banking account using > Linux and Firfox within 10 days. Kindly bear with us." A small win. I am glad to inform that IDBI have finally come through on their promise. Login tested successfully from Firefox 2 on Windows and Firefox 3 on Ubuntu. :) I am going to remove their name from the Hall of Shame. -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] M$ Tax Refund Quest
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Anand Shankar wrote: > > Should we not act contractually: > > 1. Order the PC/Laptop, stating the intention. > 2. Ask the Commissioning Engineer to Click No, when prompted to accept > License > 3. Ask the commissioning engineer to sign the installation report, > 4. Inform the OEM with the installation report. > 5. Quote the License Agreement stating Refund Clause. I like the way you think. And of course, this would be ideal, except: 1. You probably will not get the laptop since the model you like comes only with Windows preinstalled. 2. The installation engineer will not agree to click "No" since it's your laptop and there no issue at the moment (btw, there's no "No".) 3. There will be no installation report since they do not have to "install" anything on a preloaded notebook. I have already offered to get the physical verification done by their service engineers at their service center and courier the media to them at my expense. But none of this matters since they have refused the refund outright on the grounds that the OS is bundled with the notebook. -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] M$ Tax Refund Quest
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 6:18 PM, Sudev Barar wrote: > 2008/5/13 Manish > > > > > Is the practice of "tying" or "bundling" illegal under Indian laws? Do > > we have any lawyers on the list? Should this be taken up in consumer > > court or elsewhere? Suggestions please. > > > Consumer court is better. Haing dealt with them in past as a defendant > I think if you can raise the hackles of judge in your sympathy they > can really push the defendants. Plus it gives you additional platform > to appeal in case of adverse judgement. > Caution I am not a lawyer. Thanks. What I am beginning to wonder is if it's okay under Indian law to bundle products (that too from different companies.) Feels like arm twisting to me.. and it hurts. But if it's okay under law then I am not sure I have a case. I am sure many people on the list have bought notebooks and use GNU/Linux exclusively; why have they taken it lying down? (Or perhaps they dual boot in secret. :-p) Any pointers/links to how one should prepare the case for consumer court? Is a lawyer required? Who (and when) will send notice to Lenovo? Sorry for too many questions. :-/ -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Where do I get tar.gz for these libraries
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Tanveer Singh wrote: > Well I don't have a choice since at work I cannot get root access. Otherwise > rpm -ivh is the best option I think. > But the bright side is that I can choose what to build. > As for how maintainable is this setup, for big packages like kde etc., there > are actually no issues. > The .la problem cropped up just because of the bug in Redhat Enterprise 4. > Otherwise on a normal system, building from source is actually not tough at > all. > I used to have gentoo on my home machine. > So if you take care of all dependencies(this is done by going through the > docs) its easy work. > But building from sources sure takes time, and in the end using the package > manager is a better option. > but then if you want to go bleeding edge build from sources. Hmm. Running a live CD under virtualbox? Nah.. you will need to modprobe vboxdrv and you do not have root... BTW, Please remember to post when you do figure out the libxine-dev and linxine-dbg issue. -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] M$ Tax Refund Quest
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:25 PM, Manish wrote: > Hello All, > >Just wanted to share a quick update on my quest to reclaim M$ > tax. > >I have been following up with Lenovo customer care for past > few days (email and phone) and today I got a call from some > executive from Lenovo Singapore. He wanted to ask why I > disagreed with the license and told that this is unusual and > there is no process/policy as of now. I told him that I felt > more powerful, creative and in-control on my preferred OS and > that I would have appreciated Lenovo much more if they gave > customer wider choice including buying the machine with no OS. > He assured me that he would follow it up and keep me posted. I think we are coming to a point where I need legal advice. Is the practice of "tying" or "bundling" illegal under Indian laws? Do we have any lawyers on the list? Should this be taken up in consumer court or elsewhere? Suggestions please. -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Where do I get tar.gz for these libraries
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Tanveer Singh wrote: > Meanwhile I think I am getting a phd in building kde. > I had to copy the libacl.la to a private dir, change the path to .so for > libattr(its in /usr/lib instead of /lib but libattr.la says its in /lib). > Then I had to do a sed s:/lib/libattr.la:/private/dir/libattr.la:g on all > the kde .la files in my $KDEDIR to build it. > Redhat enterprise sure comes with some quirckyness. All the best! Just one question: apart from the fun of it how maintainable is this setup? Do you document/script each step to be able to repeat later? That's two questions, oh well. -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Where do I get tar.gz for these libraries
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Tanveer Singh wrote: > I build everything from sources. I guess I have to try and look at > ./configure options. > Anyways I am amazed that I can easily download rpm and .deb packages for > libxine-dev and libxine-dbg individually, but can't do the same for > tar.gz...?? I did look at configure options and tried searching xine-devel as well for clues with no luck. May be it's because I do not understand xine architecture. Perhaps you could use sources extracted from deb package using dpkg-deb -x? -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Where do I get tar.gz for these libraries
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Tanveer Singh wrote: > On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Manish wrote: > > > On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Tanveer Singh wrote: > > > > Googling suggested that libxine-dev and libxine-dbg should be built > > and this > > > > will fix this random problem. > > > > However googling for these 2 libs turned up packages, either red-hat > > or > > > > debian etc.,etc., > > > > I am unable to find source tar.gz for these libs. > > > > any idea, where to get source tar.gz for libxine-dev and libxine-dbg > > etc., > > > > Does this help? > > http://hg.debian.org/hg/ > > http://xinehq.de/index.php/releases > > > > -- Manish > > Nope. > First link does not have anything, and second link has xine-lib which I > installed from source. > I need libxine-dev and libxine-dbg > Is libxine-dev a part of xinelib? If so, is there any special configure > option. I didn't find any. README in win32 directory of xine-lib-1.2 and http://xinehq.de/index.php/faq#AEN72 seems to suggest that it is. But then I never built anything this big from sources. -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Where do I get tar.gz for these libraries
> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Tanveer Singh wrote: > > Googling suggested that libxine-dev and libxine-dbg should be built and > > this > > will fix this random problem. > > However googling for these 2 libs turned up packages, either red-hat or > > debian etc.,etc., > > I am unable to find source tar.gz for these libs. > > any idea, where to get source tar.gz for libxine-dev and libxine-dbg etc., Does this help? http://hg.debian.org/hg/ http://xinehq.de/index.php/releases -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux for the geek gods?
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Pratul Kalia wrote: > Recently there was a thread about Mandriva being an easy to use, > beginner distro. And, I remember "lawgon" writing its not much used by > geeks, as it isn't hack friendly? :D > In response, let me ask the list, what distros do you recommend for > geeks then? Someone who likes to get his hands dirty, and feels happy > to do so? What should he/she use? Troll trying to start a distro war? :) Just kidding. I think you can get your hands sufficiently dirty with LFS: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] M$ Tax Refund Quest
Hello All, Just wanted to share a quick update on my quest to reclaim M$ tax. I have been following up with Lenovo customer care for past few days (email and phone) and today I got a call from some executive from Lenovo Singapore. He wanted to ask why I disagreed with the license and told that this is unusual and there is no process/policy as of now. I told him that I felt more powerful, creative and in-control on my preferred OS and that I would have appreciated Lenovo much more if they gave customer wider choice including buying the machine with no OS. He assured me that he would follow it up and keep me posted. -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Ubuntu 8.04 is Out !!!
On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Sudev Barar wrote: > Now only to get my stylus touch screen working. Does this help? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=731839 -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] suggest a CMS
On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 7:32 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > On 02-May-08, at 6:40 PM, Raj Mathur wrote: > > > Yes, yes, we all know how to judiciously edit a quote so it seems > > to be > > saying something other than the original intended meaning and then > > reply to the distorted meaning! > > > > However, I'm sure you'll continue asserting that Plone is > > ``hackproof'' > > despite all the available evidence, so no more on this thread from me. > > interesting how people on the losing side of an argument start > getting personal ... no more from me also Err.. losing side? How come? BTW, I do not care who `wins' but I am curious how you arrived at this conclusion. -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Women and Linux
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Vikram Ranade wrote: > Came across this article that caught my eye. > about a linux community for women. > There is even a chapter in india! (not a large group though) > > www.linuxchix.org/india.html > For a second I thought I was having déjà vu. :-) -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Anand Shankar wrote: > I believe most of these banks/institutions would be outsourcing this > work. Could we suggest certain clauses in RFPs which can take care of > this situation? Should we suggest a community standardised "Acceptance > Testing Framework" so as to resolve this issue more decently? At least > then we can ask these organisations to adhere to this framework. Very sensible. +1 If it can right amount of technical details wrapped in right kind of legalese then most outsourcers should be able to plug it in their RFPs quite easily. -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Advice on buying a laptop and reclaiming M$ tax
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 8:57 AM, Manish wrote: > > I am on the lookout for a laptop that plays nice with Linux and have > zeroed in on three choices: Lenovo Thinkpad R61 [1], Dell XPS M1330 > [2] and Sony Vaio CR [3]. I am not sure how compatible they are with > Debian. Some web-search does suggest that almost all of them can be > made to work but I would appreciate advice from the real world as > well. Thanks to everyone who responded. I have purchased Thinkpad R61, for better or worse. Keyboard light, trackpoint, excellent keyboard and solid construction swayed me. Sending this email from Ubuntu 8.04 Live CD. Still wondering if I should install Ubuntu or Debian. I do not want to get caught up in upgrade cycles but the work that has gone in to simplify/beautify Ubuntu is definitely attractive. Debian may require some homework before it is fully tuned to my choice but may be less work in the long run.. Sorry, I just got lost in thought. Definitely do not wish to start any distro wars. > Web search also did not come up with any instances of anyone ever > having `reclaimed' the M$ tax in India. Has that ever been attempted? I started this experiment today. -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 8:14 AM, Anupam Jain wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Manish wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Manish wrote: > > > I have been following up with IDBI bank on the same issue for past few > > > weeks (they move slower than frozen molasses going uphill). They were > > > told about Hall of Shame and their entry there. I am getting nowhere > > > with them and am considering moving to AXIS bank. Here's the latest > > > correspondance. > > > > An encouraging update from IDBI on the above issue: > > > > "We wish to inform you that the necessary rectification is under > > process and you can log in to your Internet Banking account using > > Linux and Firfox within 10 days. Kindly bear with us." > > > > :) > > Goes to show good intentions on the part of the bank, they actually > want to retain customers and are open to feedback. Assuming this is > the case with most organisations, I wish more Linux users would > complain when things don't work with free software. Complaining really > does work! > Possibly. But they sent this response only after I had had enough (approx. 3 months) and my language and tone showed that I was at the end of the line and told them that I will kill my account within next week. > > Reminds me of my college days when instead of using Matlab, I made it > a point to do all my assignments in Octave and explicitly print > *Generated using Octave* on every single graph I submitted. I'm not > sure if I brought about a big change but atleast I had fun explaining > what Octave is to people :) :) I am making lots of official reports using PDFLatex now, not (just) because it's cool but also because MS Word was sucking life out of me. Emacs and LaTeX have really made it lots of things easy for me. > Passive Resistance is the key to all problems. It is not possible to > bring about change by compromising (using Wine/ie4Linux/Dual-booting > etc.). Make the effort on behalf of all Linux users and keep fighting > the good fight. > > > :) Absolutely. I have started discussions/debate with Lenovo starting this afternoon to see if I can reclaim M$ tax (Vista Business). I am not against their installing the OS but not giving me a choice to buy the computer with an alternate or no OS. It's not for them to decide what software I am going to run on my computer. I'm writing this email from the same laptop using Ubuntu 8.04. Let's see how it goes. I hope I have enough patience. -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 7:42 AM, Sudev Barar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/4/29 Yashpal Nagar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > > An encouraging update from IDBI on the above issue: > > > > > > "We wish to inform you that the necessary rectification is under > > > process and you can log in to your Internet Banking account using > > > Linux and Firfox within 10 days. Kindly bear with us." > > Sometimes showing the stick has better results than using it. > I guess. Let's wait and watch for 10 days. :) -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Manish wrote: > I have been following up with IDBI bank on the same issue for past few > weeks (they move slower than frozen molasses going uphill). They were > told about Hall of Shame and their entry there. I am getting nowhere > with them and am considering moving to AXIS bank. Here's the latest > correspondance. An encouraging update from IDBI on the above issue: "We wish to inform you that the necessary rectification is under process and you can log in to your Internet Banking account using Linux and Firfox within 10 days. Kindly bear with us." :) -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Ubuntu 8.04 is Out !!!
On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 7:10 AM, Sudev Barar wrote: > On 24/04/2008, Amit Karpe wrote: > > Hello , > > Check out Ubuntu 8.04 at ubuntu.com > > > > Look for release note http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes > > Download it from http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download > > Also read all these features > > http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/804features/ > > Been using the beta for past few weeks and found it good. It auto > detected most of the hardware on my laptop including the in famous > broadcom wireless. Things not working > Finger print scanner I am not an Ubuntu user nor do I have a finger print scanner but came across this, might be of help: http://www.ubuntu-unleashed.com/2008/04/get-your-fingerprint-reader-to-work-in.html -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Sudev Barar wrote: > On 22/04/2008, Shiv wrote: > > will not be able to access our Net banking service through Mozilla and > > Linux browser. However to access our Net banking services we recommend > > Internet explorer browser version to be 5.5 and 6 and we would also > request > > you to kindly check if your Internet Explorer browser is configured for > > JAVA applet. > > Try with Konqueror. It further has a feature of reporting itself a IE. > Try if this works. Many a times I am told that the site will not work > with Linux simply because they have not tried it. Sometimes telling > them that you are using firefox on windows will get you more inputs. > > However if they are actively allowing only IE browser you need to read > their terms very carefully and then proceed to tell them that you are > proposing their name for Hall Of Shame. See the response. > I have been following up with IDBI bank on the same issue for past few weeks (they move slower than frozen molasses going uphill). They were told about Hall of Shame and their entry there. I am getting nowhere with them and am considering moving to AXIS bank. Here's the latest correspondance. , | On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Vijaya Sonawane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > We request you to please use Internet Explorer version above 5.5 , | > resolution 800*600 so that you can log successfully. | | Can you please suggest where can I get a copy of Internet Explorer | that runs on Linux? Or are you suggesting that I should buy MS | Windows just so that I can use IDBI bank website (Windows costs anywhere | from Rs. 4,495.00 to Rs. 11,500.00. Reference: | http://shopping.rediff.com/shop/subcategory.jsp?cgrfnbr=7498)! | | Does IDBI have a reimbursement or discount policy to assist | customers with this? Else why do you expect a customer to spend this | obscene amount of money (on an operating system that I do not otherwise | need) just to access your website? | | Your website used to function just fine earlier before the | `upgrade' like so many other banks'. | | I think now you may either: | | 1. Offer to reimburse me for the cost of the MS Windows operating | system. | 2. Let me know if/when your website will be free of this artificial | `requirement'. | or 3. escalate and include your management on this communication. | | Vijaya> Assuring you the best of our services at all times. | Vijaya> We look forward to a mutually rewarding relationship. | | Absolutely. I am counting on that. | | Thank you, | -- Manish ` -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Advice on buying a laptop and reclaiming M$ tax
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Pawan Sood wrote: > On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Manish wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I am on the lookout for a laptop that plays nice with Linux and have > > zeroed in on three choices: Lenovo Thinkpad R61 [1], Dell XPS M1330 > > [2] and Sony Vaio CR [3]. I am not sure how compatible they are with > > Debian. Some web-search does suggest that almost all of them can be > > made to work but I would appreciate advice from the real world as > > well. > > > > Web search also did not come up with any instances of anyone ever > > having `reclaimed' the M$ tax in India. Has that ever been attempted? > > > > Thank you, > > -- Manish > > I have Lenovo R61 and FC8 x86_64 is installed in dual boot with Vista Business. > I have observed that in FC8 the Fn+F5 combination does not start the > inbuilt bluetooth. However, if I keep the Bluetooth module in on > position while shutting down the Laptop in Vista and then boot it in > FC8, the bluetooth works fine thereafter. Thanks for the tip. I am also leaning towards R61 (7734A17). It's good except in the looks department. Earlier at one workplace I have used T61 and I think R61 shares it's trackpoint with three buttons, light on the monitor with excellent keyboard. Has WiFi been a problem for you and does hibernation work? -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Advice on buying a laptop and reclaiming M$ tax
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 9:37 PM, Yashpal Nagar wrote: > Asus Eee PC 900 seems to be a great deal if you really serious about > Linux as the OS & value for money. > First, I thought it's kinda like a toy and then I found out that people installed Debian on this and that it runs Firefox and Emacs, has WiFi and boots very fast.. what else does one need? > I have no idea when it would hit in Indian market, but appears to be > promising, comes with 20GB (Solid State Disk, read more about SSD ), > Intel processor, 1GB RAM preloaded with Linux. > This is the key question and I need to get a laptop in a hurry. I wish I could wait for it. :( -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Advice on buying a laptop and reclaiming M$ tax
Hello, I am on the lookout for a laptop that plays nice with Linux and have zeroed in on three choices: Lenovo Thinkpad R61 [1], Dell XPS M1330 [2] and Sony Vaio CR [3]. I am not sure how compatible they are with Debian. Some web-search does suggest that almost all of them can be made to work but I would appreciate advice from the real world as well. Web search also did not come up with any instances of anyone ever having `reclaimed' the M$ tax in India. Has that ever been attempted? Thank you, -- Manish 1. http://www-604.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?storeId=1356&catalogId=-356&langId=356&categoryId=4611686018425111790&seriesid=2137107&referer=4611686018425096212&productId=4611686018425530312 2. http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/featured_notebook4?c=in&cs=indhs1&l=en&s=dhs 3. http://www.sony.co.in/product/vgn-cr35g/sku/vgn-cr35g%252Fl%2Be1?site=hp_en_IN_i ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Gartner says Open source will quietly take over
On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 11:09 AM, Gaurav Mishra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> open source is now official: > > >> > > >> http://www.microsoft.com/opensource/heroes/nimish.mspx > > >> > > > > > > Official ? How ? > > > > > > Completely missed your point !, If microsoft talks about open > > > source it`s > > > official :P > > > > > > This is so wrong statement. > > Man, Go and read Cathedral and Bazaar again. > > For rest of ILUGD crowd. FLOSS community has nothing to do with microsoft > and microsoft is just another properiatery software company. If microsoft > talks about Open source, no big deal > ROTFLMAO. *wiping tears*. Thank you. Oh, you are serious, aren't you. Kenneth was being sarcastic, bro, because Free Software does not need recognition/approval from entities like Gartner[1] to be meaningful. -- Manish http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/03/gartner-price-fixing-accusation/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] convert ?
On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Mehul Ved <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > Yes, I have done it so many times with quite a few distros, especially > happened 3 times with me when ubuntu was just released. Their servers > are hammered so badly that I get pathetic download speeds. So, after > quitting wget, even though the download is partially finished, I got > hold of the torrent of the same release and pointed it to download at > the same location where the partially downloaded file was. > > Another couple of times I have used it to generate a clean iso out of > sub-standards CD/DVD's supplied by technology magazines. A minor portion of > data was unreadable but majority of the data was very much readable from > the disc. Thus, rather than throwing away the whole disc as useless one > can create an ISO from it using dd or K3B or whatever your favourite > tool is. Obtained the torrent for the same and pointed it to the iso. > The torrent client checked the iso and discarded pieces that didn't match > the checksum. Thus, I only needed to download whatever wasn't readable > from the media. Brilliant! Thanks for sharing. -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] convert ?
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Nalin Savara wrote: > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Sharninder wrote: > > > > > (2) I pointed out that wget supports the above "get files in pieces" > > > > use-case-- through the -c command-line switch and hence is > > sufficient. > > > > > > BS. if you would learn not to top post, I would elaborate. But while > > > you are investigating what is a top post, you could also investigate > > > the difference between a distributed download and a resumed download > > > - and the meaning of BS > > > > lol > > > > Keep laughing man... and yes; when I first saw that message; I was tempted > to write a small snippet of code to take a torrent file and a partially wget > gotten file---> and to convert the partially wget-ten file to a partially > gotten torrent. So why didn't you? > But ok reading that mail; I could see that the obvious reason that > question is being asked is because the user doesnt seem to be aware that you > can do 'resumed downloads' with wget. -c seems to continue broken downloads of a /single/ file (as in one piece). Where as a torrent is a, well.. torrent[1]. The below excerpt from the wget man page about -c option does not directly or indirectly suggest what you claim. ,[ Excerpt from wget(1) ]--- | -c | --continue | Continue getting a partially-downloaded file. This is useful when you want to finish up a download started by a pre- | vious instance of Wget, or by another program. For instance: | | wget -c ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/ls-lR.Z | | If there is a file named ls-lR.Z in the current directory, Wget will assume that it is the first portion of the remote | file, and will ask the server to continue the retrieval from an offset equal to the length of the local file. | | Note that you don't need to specify this option if you just want the current invocation of Wget to retry downloading a | file should the connection be lost midway through. This is the default behavior. -c only affects resumption of down- | loads started prior to this invocation of Wget, and whose local files are still sitting around. | | Without -c, the previous example would just download the remote file to ls-lR.Z.1, leaving the truncated ls-lR.Z file | alone. | | Beginning with Wget 1.7, if you use -c on a non-empty file, and it turns out that the server does not support contin- | ued downloading, Wget will refuse to start the download from scratch, which would effectively ruin existing contents. | If you really want the download to start from scratch, remove the file. | | Also beginning with Wget 1.7, if you use -c on a file which is of equal size as the one on the server, Wget will | refuse to download the file and print an explanatory message. The same happens when the file is smaller on the server | than locally (presumably because it was changed on the server since your last download attempt)---because ``continu- | ing'' is not meaningful, no download occurs. | | On the other side of the coin, while using -c, any file that's bigger on the server than locally will be considered an | incomplete download and only "(length(remote) - length(local))" bytes will be downloaded and tacked onto the end of | the local file. This behavior can be desirable in certain cases---for instance, you can use wget -c to download just | the new portion that's been appended to a data collection or log file. | | However, if the file is bigger on the server because it's been changed, as opposed to just appended to, you'll end up | with a garbled file. Wget has no way of verifying that the local file is really a valid prefix of the remote file. | You need to be especially careful of this when using -c in conjunction with -r, since every file will be considered as | an "incomplete download" candidate. | | Another instance where you'll get a garbled file if you try to use -c is if you have a lame HTTP proxy that inserts a | ``transfer interrupted'' string into the local file. In the future a ``rollback'' option may be added to deal with | this case. | | Note that -c only works with FTP servers and with HTTP servers that support the "Range" header. ` After all the bluster, you owe teaching us how to continue an interrupted torrent download using wget. -- Manish 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segmented_downloading ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] OOXML approved as international standard
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 6:48 PM, Nishant Sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- Nishant Sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > The evil has happened :-( > > Here is the press release by ISO: > > http://www.iso.org/iso/pressrelease.htm?refid=Ref1123 > Here's an interesting take on the relevance (or not) of standardization organizations. From the post: "What is interesting is that TeX, LaTeX, OGG/Vorbis, OGG/Theora, Perl, Python, PHP, Ruby, OCaml, are not standardized by any organization. Yet everybody knows that they are "self-standardized" by the free availability of extensive documentation and/or a by free-as-in-freedom unobfuscated reference implementation." Full post: http://bjacob.livejournal.com/5086.html -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] question abt relevance... is BSD ok on ILUGD ? posix apis ? *nix ?
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Nalin Savara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > Hope I havent hurt any1 but am just a techie... leading lites of dis list > plz adviz... The line above did hurt my eyes. -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] My dilemma
On Wed, 2008-03-05 at 23:18 +0530, Nalin Savara wrote: > Windows Vista checks online to see if the copy was activated-- and whether > it is being used by the same guy/hardware for which it was activated-- > chances are you need to apart from giving your friend the CD need to phone > microsoft and ask them to transfer the activation. > > Vista OEM version detecting online that it's running on hardware on which it > is not activated could lead to your own Vista activation being revoked. > > This has existed since the days of WinXP... > > Regards, > > Nalin > Further, if its a Dell CD (should be DVD rather), you will not be able to use the media to install Windows VHP on any other hardware besides Dell systems. Majority of the OS Disks supplied by Dell are for re-installation on their own hardware only. Regards, Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] plz unsubscribe me
Can any one tell me what is the process to get out from this mailing List. plz unsubscribe me. -- Manish Popli ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] : Y! Messenger project
On Feb 12, 2008 11:18 AM, Ravi Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > No, mails can be sent to anywhere, but when you breach security by > > sending > > > mails-attachments(docs) outside the trusted list of domains, then it is > > > easily filtered by administrator, who can watch in archive for the sent > > > attachments. > > > > Hmm. And accessing non-work emails like gmail at work ;) ? Sorry for > > splitting hairs but the fundamental logic seemed flawed hence these > > questions to clarify understanding. > > > > > I can't figure out what's bubbling in your beautiful mind. Please make it > clear. Where do you doubt, and most prominently how do you doubt, rather > than saying "the logic seems flawed". > Heh. I often wonder the utility of trying to limit functionality of a useful piece of software in the name of policy/security. I have seen this being done numerous times in an attempt to appease/impress some customers or higher management. IMHO, trying to lock down features/functionalities only has net impact on the end-user productivity and just makes people look for ways to outsmart them. I am not implying that security should not be paid attention to. On the contrary, if there has to be a lockdown, then it should be comprehensive. When I see your emails coming from gmail (assuming you were at work at the time) and this discussion about trying to limit file transfer features.. it just seems.. contradictory. No offense to you or your company but that's just how it seems. -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [Fwd: Re: [TAG] Version control for /etc]
On Feb 12, 2008 6:41 PM, Raj Shekhar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What was the question again? While researching for a version control system for my home directory (I selected Mercurial) I found that some people were concerned about VCS leaving conflict markers in config files potentially causing lots of trouble. But I think if it's single machine/user then conflicts should not occur. I would use git or mercurial for the job. But please do your own test and research before using it on any important machine. -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] : Y! Messenger project
On Feb 11, 2008 12:17 PM, Ravi Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > No, there is private owned Mail server. So Yahoo Mail is not required. > > :) > > > > And it delivers emails only to specified domains? > > > > -- > > Manish > > PS: Please refrain from top posting. > > > No, mails can be sent to anywhere, but when you breach security by sending > mails-attachments(docs) outside the trusted list of domains, then it is > easily filtered by administrator, who can watch in archive for the sent > attachments. Hmm. And accessing non-work emails like gmail at work ;) ? Sorry for splitting hairs but the fundamental logic seemed flawed hence these questions to clarify understanding. -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] : Y! Messenger project
On Feb 11, 2008 12:02 PM, Ravi Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Feb 11, 2008 11:57 AM, Manish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Feb 11, 2008 11:24 AM, Ravi Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > I am in sort of stupid project. As my company doesn't allow Y! messenger > > > just to be following ISO standards, which says 'external chat software > > and > > > file-sharing software should not be allowed in corporate, as it would > > leak > > > the private documents". > > > > And email? > > > No, there is private owned Mail server. So Yahoo Mail is not required. :) And it delivers emails only to specified domains? -- Manish PS: Please refrain from top posting. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] : Y! Messenger project
On Feb 11, 2008 11:24 AM, Ravi Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > I am in sort of stupid project. As my company doesn't allow Y! messenger > just to be following ISO standards, which says 'external chat software and > file-sharing software should not be allowed in corporate, as it would leak > the private documents". And email? -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Which wi-fi PCI card?
On 1/29/08, Amit Sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > My vendor told me that D-Link's G510 which is 54 mbps is not supported by > Linux instead G520 which is 108mbps is supported. > > Since i have Access Points of 54 mbps hence i would like to install 54mbps > PCI cards only. Is my vendor correct in saying that Linux supports only 108 > mbps PCI cards? No, he is totally incorrect and is misguiding you. The linux support for a pci wireless card is not dependent upon the speed. It is the chip on the card which matters. Find out which chip is the card using and then check whether there is a linux driver for that wireless chip available or not. You may refer to the following sites: http://linuxwireless.org/ http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/ There are some wireless cards which don't have a linux driver but you can configure most of them with ndiswrapper which uses the windows drivers. http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/ > regards, > amit Also, using the latest kernels would help since there a number of wireless drivers have been added in the newer kernels. -- Manish Kathuria Tux Technologies http://www.tuxtechnologies.co.in/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] problem with Squid ACL based on MAC Address
On 1/15/08, sarvandra kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi All, > > I;ve following configuration in squid(2.6 STABLE18) to apply acl based > on clients mac address: > > acl mac arp 00:R4:5T:9F:8D:7C > http_access mac deny > > while applying new setting it throw error which is:- > > 2007/08/23 10:21:35| aclParseAclLine: Invalid ACL type 'arp' > FATAL: Bungled squid.conf line 1821: acl mac arp 00:C0:9F:7C:D8:8C > Squid Cache (Version 2.5.STABLE6): Terminated abnormally. > > How can I use mac address to apply acls. > > Kindly provide solution. > with regards > sarvandra poswal > It's possible that squid was not compiled with support for acls based on MAC address. You can enable it by recompiling with the option --enable-arp-acl. -- Manish Kathuria Tux Technologies http://www.tuxtechnologies.co.in/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux RAID issues (was) Re: Linux graphic PC!
On Jan 4, 2008 11:25 AM, Sandip Bhattacharya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > I have been having some terrible time with Linux RAID recently on > Ubuntu. I dont like major changes being done on such critical components > without testing. > [snip] > Now I am having serious doubts on using RAID on Ubuntu atleast, and am > thinking of moving the server to either Debian or better still > FreeBSD(better because I suspect the Ubuntu issues might have some > influence from changes in Debian unstable). > > How have others Linux RAID experience in recent Linux distros been? > Running raid1 on Debian unstable for past 4 months. No issues. Worst I have had to face was a general system slowdown for sometime after some power failures while the array synced. -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] New Year Project - "DIY Desktop"
On Dec 31, 2007 10:34 PM, Mithun Bhattacharya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - Original Message > From: Manish [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On SMPS, my rule of thumb is: "the bigger the better", since one may > add more devices (drives, cards, fans etc.) in future. Actually same > goes for chassis too, the more the number of fans the better. I > prefer to let the budget constrain the choice. > > __ > > Unfortunately that is the kind of answer I am getting in google. I am not > sure whether I am asking the wrong question but I definitely believe there > should be some sort of calculation involved. After all shouldnt my power > requirement should be different if I have two graphics card versus 5 hard > disk versus a barebone PC ? > Not sure if you have seen this already: http://www.firingsquad.com/guides/power_supply/page2.asp HTH -- Manish HTH ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] New Year Project - "DIY Desktop"
On Dec 31, 2007 10:18 PM, Mithun Bhattacharya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I did search for "DIY Desktop" on google and got overwhelmed by the number of > results it returned. > > Basically I am looking for pointers to how to build the ideal desktop. Few > things for which I dont seem to find answers are: > 1. How do I calculate SMP required - I am not even sure what all draws power > inside a computer !! > 2. How do I figure out which chasis is good for my needs - I dont see much > focus on air flow, number of fan required. Intel says BTX is the recommended > chasis configuration for the latest CPU's but I cant find any chassis > optimized for BTX configuration. > 3. I do know the CPU, memory, hard disk, graphics and sound capabilities > required - what else do I need to worry about ? > > If anyone has lately given thoughts on these do share the info. > On SMPS, my rule of thumb is: "the bigger the better", since one may add more devices (drives, cards, fans etc.) in future. Actually same goes for chassis too, the more the number of fans the better. I prefer to let the budget constrain the choice. -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] ICICI Netbanking and Firefox 2.0 (or where to get Firefox 1.5)
Hi, i m using firefox 2.0.0.10 and doing net banking (ICICI bank) and don't face any issues ever. Sometime there is a server side issues which results to a timeout. For that u just try after sometime and it will work Regards Manish Kumar YAHOO! Saurabh Nanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, Has anyone been able to successfully transact on the ICICI Netbanking website using Firefox 2.0. By transact I mean able to transfer funds, etc. Basically anything that requires: (a) your transaction password to be entered, or (b) the debit card grid verification to be performed). My session has consistently been timed out immediately after (a) above. While Googling around, I came across a forum where someone claimed that due to a JS error the session times out in Firefox 2.0, but the site works on Firefox 1.5. Does anyone know where I can get a Firefox 1.5 package (or tarball) for Ubuntu Feisty Fawn. I've been trying to search for it, but in vain. Help will be appreciated, Saurabh. -- http://nandz.blogspot.com http://foodieforlife.blogspot.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Network programming..
On Dec 27, 2007 3:34 PM, Shamail Tayyab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > H >Is it possible to have a direct connection between two computers over the > internet, without involvement of a central server (where both the systems > are part of different networks) > Yes. -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Plan for Freed.in 2008
On Dec 16, 2007 10:31 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 16-Dec-07, at 7:47 AM, Raj Shekhar wrote: > > >> why not make it truly open - allowing edits without a login? And it > >> looks like you are getting an extra copy of this reply. > > > > As the lolcats would say > > > > ' > > I'm in yur wikiz, > > spamming it to death > > if you mean that one cannot keep a wiki spam free if one allows non- > logged-in users to post, explain these: > > http://en.wikipedia.org <- no login needed to edit I guess either the wiki has to be not so popular to be of interest to spammers or there have to be people watching over it. For example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Spam Though there's nothing wrong in requiring contributors to register (as long as their email addresses are kept private), IMHO. -- Manish > http://code.djangoproject.com <- no login needed to edit > http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/ <- no login needed to edit > http://registration.fossconf.in/code/ <- no login needed to > edit ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] should the licenses be trivialised?
On Dec 14, 2007 1:38 PM, Manish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Shirish> > 3. Making sure whatever I say gets attributed to whatever I'm > saying. > > Kenneth> which means that in this quote - I have to attribute the quoted > Kenneth> material to you. I don't have the time to do this, so sue me > > Shirish, out of curiousity, how do you want list responses to attribute your > text to you? The way I did above? If I did not use your name, would I be in > violation? > > -- > Manish > I share Kenneth and Kazim's thoughts. Attribution section of the license text at http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ says "You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor". Since the licensor has not explicitly specified how he wanted to be attributed despite request, I do not know of the `correct' way of doing that. FWIW, it makes responding to his future emails a non-option for me. -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] should the licenses be trivialised?
Shirish> > 3. Making sure whatever I say gets attributed to whatever I'm saying. Kenneth> which means that in this quote - I have to attribute the quoted Kenneth> material to you. I don't have the time to do this, so sue me Shirish, out of curiousity, how do you want list responses to attribute your text to you? The way I did above? If I did not use your name, would I be in violation? -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
