date:20080627

What I have done is in the past, before I loaded
Chronology with all the good stuff, was, on a paper I
had the 'genealogy' of the counties of Massachusetts,
and with that I had a 'postit' note remembering the
most used ones. Some counties split/created within 10
years of the American Revolution, which meant a 3-4
split for most towns. It ain't fun, but it is better
than going into a re-check once a year or so.
Rich in LA CA
--- Heather Stovold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 No Ron, I am not suggesting that.  The information
 would be filled in
 by the user.   Basically, I get tired of always
 having to think when I
 enter a place on what it was called at the time.
   I use the smae
 locations a lot, but I always have to sit and think
 - especially if
 I've been working in another area for a while.  
 (example of my
 thoughts  ok - this is in Medicine Hat, Alberta
 - but wait, it
 wasn't Alberta until 1905, before that it was
 NWT  oh - this birth
 was IN 1905 - was that before or after it became a
 province - I better
 go check online (or in my chronology screen, if I
 have it in a
 timeline)).   Sure - I would need to do the research
 the first time -
 but if I put it all in for the locations I use, then
 I wouldn't have
 to check, and check, and check...For Ontario, I
 am doing a lot of
 stuff in around the years that it kept changing, and
 I can NEVER
 remember (was it Upper Canada first, or Canada West
 first) - I just
 get sick of always having to look it up.
 
 So - just the short answer - I'd expect the users to
 be putting in the
 information as it comes up - but the program can
 check, if you have
 indicated that a physical location had more than one
 name at various
 dates
 
 
 On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 2:08 AM, ronald ferguson
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Heather,
 
  Please clarify. I do hope you are not suggesting
 that Legacy should produce/include every change in a
 location throughout time and the world. I suspect
 that I might need a mainframe!
 
 
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RE: [LegacyUG] More basic questions

2008-06-27 Thread Gorski Ian

Hi All,
I've been trying to follow this thread for a while...

1. I used Locations to record Suburbs, Towns/Cities, State, Country.
Please note I'm in Australia and have ancestors in Great Britain and
Europe.

2. I used Address for Street address for residence, cemeteries etc.  So
that I can visit the area and perhaps even find a particular house.

I've just ordered V7 and I'd like to map a house or a cemetery rather
that a suburb or town.  
Please correct me if I don't understand, but to do this I need to put
the whole address into the location field.  Correct?

Do I need to input the geographic coordinates?  How does the mapping
tool find the location?  (Sorry, Perhaps I should read the manual when I
get it)

To take the problem further - if I have located a headstone and want to
be able to find it again or map it - do I have to create a new location
e.g. Grave 1 Row 3, etc. And record the coordinates?

Thanks for any clarification  :-)
 
Ian Gorski 
Brisbane, Queensland, Australia

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Of Wendy Howard
Sent: Friday, 27 June 2008 3:22 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] More basic questions

Hi Jane,

1  3 - How you do your place names is up to you, but you will 
find recommendations which may help you decide what you're going to do.

Outside of the USA, you will find that the four-place 
convention you've described doesn't work too well, and many of 
us not in the USA don't use it.  Even within the USA, there 
are a few places where it doesn't work I understand (from 
reading this list).  But if you want to use the Geo-location 
Database (GLDb), it is needed, and many do use that 
convention.  Think about where your research is taking you, 
and perhaps that will help you decide which way you want to work.

I don't use the four-field convention.  When I only know the 
location of an event in general terms, I put in what I know 
without placeholder commas, even if it is only the country.  
Works fine for me, and I don't use the GLDb.  I'm sure there 
are limitations in this method, but whatever they are they 
don't bother me at this point in time.

For places within a town or city, you can put them in the 
Location field or you can put the details in the address field 
- see the + next to birth, christening, etc fields, or the 
house icon in the marriage window.

2 - The description field, separate from the notes field, lets 
you format the text more than if there was only the one field. 
 You can customise the sentence construction, either for all 
instances of a particular event or for one occurance of it.

Don't feel that you *have* to put something in the description 
field just because it is there.  You might have events where 
you don't want to use it, and that is fine.

For census events, I have settled on a format where I put the 
age and occupation in the description field, and have the 
sentence read: 
[HeShe] appeared on the census [onDate] [inPlace] as a 
[Desc].[Sources] [Notes].  This means that my 
3x-great-grandfather Robert IRELAND's entry in the 1851 
England census reads: He appeared on the census in
1851 in Langtoft, Yorkshire, England as a 36-year-old 
blacksmith.  The description field contains 36-year-old 
blacksmith, and there is nothing in the notes.  The full 
transcription of the household is in the Source Text, and 
prints in the endnotes.

There are many ways of presenting census events in your 
database, and this is one I have settled on after reading this 
list for a while and reading the examples others have posted.

Don't forget to look up the Help when you've got questions - 
I've learned a lot from reading the notes there, as well as 
from this list.

Hope this helps.  :-)

Kind Regards,
Wendy Howard
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Re: [LegacyUG] Date Calculator

I suspect it might be, but Legacy didn't like it. I
left it as is, and checked the Potential Problems box.
It is on a second cousin, so may never worry about it.
I would not expect the calendar program to be that
particular about the exceptions rules with locations. 
Thank you 
Rich in LA CA
--- Heather Stovold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Feb 30th was a real date in a couple of coutries at
 a couple of
 specific times..   there is a chance it was one
 of those
 
 http://www.timeanddate.com/date/february-30.html
 
 Probably in Legacy (to make this on topic) you would
 have to turn off
 the date check on these instances, and make good
 notes for people.
 
 
 
 On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 8:26 AM, RICHARD SCHULTHIES
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I was only reporting an unresolvable error, not
  judging his lifestyle, or sobriety.
  Rich in LA CA
  --- ronald ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  Go on, Rich he'd probably had a few pints may
 even a
  2 day session!
 
 
  Ron Ferguson
 
   Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:40:27 -0700
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Date Calculator
   To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
  
   I have a church record that the priest had done
   baptisms on February 30, then the next day was
  March
   1. He obviously thought the whole day that year
  had
   extra days in February. So if he ever found his
   mistake, he did not tell anyone?
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RE: [LegacyUG] English counties


Heather,

Ah, thank you for the clarification; I was a bit concerned!

I am not sure whether something like this can be incorpoarated and have not the 
time at present to think it through. Off the top of my head, I would think that 
one would still have to close the screen in use and go to another screen, which 
is similar to using the chronology screen as suggested.


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 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 15:44:00 -0500
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] English counties

 No Ron, I am not suggesting that. The information would be filled in
 by the user. Basically, I get tired of always having to think when I
 enter a place on what it was called at the time. I use the smae
 locations a lot, but I always have to sit and think - especially if
 I've been working in another area for a while. (example of my
 thoughts ok - this is in Medicine Hat, Alberta - but wait, it
 wasn't Alberta until 1905, before that it was NWT oh - this birth
 was IN 1905 - was that before or after it became a province - I better
 go check online (or in my chronology screen, if I have it in a
 timeline)). Sure - I would need to do the research the first time -
 but if I put it all in for the locations I use, then I wouldn't have
 to check, and check, and check... For Ontario, I am doing a lot of
 stuff in around the years that it kept changing, and I can NEVER
 remember (was it Upper Canada first, or Canada West first) - I just
 get sick of always having to look it up.

 So - just the short answer - I'd expect the users to be putting in the
 information as it comes up - but the program can check, if you have
 indicated that a physical location had more than one name at various
 dates


 On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 2:08 AM, ronald ferguson  wrote:

 Heather,

 Please clarify. I do hope you are not suggesting that Legacy should 
 produce/include every change in a location throughout time and the world. I 
 suspect that I might need a mainframe!


 Ron Ferguson


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Re: [LegacyUG] Question about sourcing books

IMHO, put your paragraph starting with 'Each volume'
in the either thet Publication area, or the notes
area, or both. I am guessing on the NP stuff, but it
frequently means No Progeny (in Latin?) ND may mean No
Descendants. One may mean no adult heirs, or no adult
male heirs. You might check if the book has a prefix
or index taht might show the abbreviations used.
Rich in LA CA
--- Chuck Arbogast [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello,
   I have just recently received a book on CD that
 has my family
 history.  I have a few questions about how to source
 this book on CD.
 Actually there are 5 CD's, one for each volume. 
 This is a pdf version
 of the original hardback version.  So, I chose,
 Book, authored
 (reprint), then Two authors, then CD/DVD book
 (text).  I believe
 this is the correct source path.  I have multiple
 questions about this
 source and source output.
 
 Here is the Footnote/Endnote Citation:
 Charles Joseph Eades and Frances (Yeager) Dunham Ph.
 D., Descendants
 of Michael Arbogast (ca. 1734-1812), 5 Volumes , IV:
 578 (2880);
 (N.p.: n.p., n.d.).
 
 My questions:
   Is this the correct way to source this book on CD?
 
   What if there are more than two authors?
 
   Each volume is on a separate CD containing one pdf
 file.  The page
 number is 578 in the pdf file but at the bottom of
 the text is the
 page number and it has   2880, hence why I put 578
 (2880).  Is this
 correct way of doing it?  Volume III pdf last page
 in the text says
 2304 and the first page in the Volume IV pdf text
 has 2305.  So, each
 pdf has page numbers in the text that don't
 correspond with the actual
 page number in the pdf.  My guess is on the original
 hard back volumes
 the page that I want to source would be 2880, so I
 was a little
 confused which one to use.  Any help would be
 appreciated.
 
   And last but not least, what does (N.p.: n.p.,
 n.d.) mean at the
 very end of that source?
 
 Again, any answers or opinions are appreciated.
 
 Thanks,
 Chuck Arbogast
 
 
 
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RE: [LegacyUG] Very Basic Questions


Elizabeth,

I have never run a Location Report and, like you, I include information in the 
location field which could include the parish, cemetery, road etc. and in the 
Location List have them read from right to left, so that each is easily found 
and compared. There have never been any problems and it works better with the 
VE mapping and, in my view, reads better in reports.

Yes, I do have a long list of locations and also must have a 100+ for each of 
Eccles and St Helens, Lancashire, but so what? If the length of the list was 
limited then we could have a problem but realistically it isn't.


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 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:23:50 -0500
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Very Basic Questions
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com

 I had never actually run a Location Report, so I did, all 66 pages of
 it. There are 146 Philadelphia Locations in it that are street
 addresses. Is this a high or low number of pages for this report? My
 ancestors seem to have moved around a bit, and this particular crowd
 mostly only arrived in the 1880's or 1890's. The group that has been
 here longer all lived out in the country.

 Elizabeth C

 Thomas Herson wrote:
 So do you have at least 60 lines for Philadelphia in your Location
 Report?

 - Original Message - From: Elizabeth Cunningham
 
 To: 
 Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 4:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Very Basic Questions


 I must have at least 60 different street addresses for Philadelphia
 (15 of them for one grandfather!) so I always put the street address
 in before the city, county, state and country. I'll bet anyone with
 relatives in big cities has the same problem. And I add the cemetery
 name too, if necessary (or in one case of mine, the Philadelphia
 Hospital for the Insane at Byberry.)

 Elizabeth C

 --- On Wed, 6/25/08, Art Seddon  wrote:
 From: Art Seddon 
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Very Basic Questions
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 10:37 PM
 Hi Jane,

 I have any number of location entries with 5 or more
 fields, such as:
 Oakwood Memorial Cemetery, Chatsworth, Los Angeles,
 California, USA


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Re: [LegacyUG] Very Basic Questions

Depends on how many individuals you have in the DB. In
one parish of mine in Norway I have 4418 individuals
in at least one of the 37 farms in the parish. In any
case it doesn't 
Rich in LA CA
--- Elizabeth Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 I had never actually run a Location Report, so I
 did, all 66 pages of 
 it.  There are 146 Philadelphia Locations in it that
 are street 
 addresses.  Is this a high or low number of pages
 for this report?  My 
 ancestors seem to have moved around a bit, and this
 particular crowd 
 mostly only arrived in the 1880's or 1890's.   The
 group that has been 
 here longer all lived out in the country.
 
   Elizabeth C
 
 Thomas Herson wrote:
  So do you have at least 60 lines for Philadelphia
 in your Location 
  Report?
 
  - Original Message - From: Elizabeth
 Cunningham 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
  Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 4:17 PM
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Very Basic Questions
 
 
  I must have at least 60 different street
 addresses for Philadelphia 
  (15 of them for one grandfather!) so I always put
 the street address 
  in before the city, county, state and country. 
 I'll bet anyone with 
  relatives in big cities has the same problem. And
 I add the cemetery 
  name too, if necessary (or in one case of mine,
 the Philadelphia 
  Hospital for the Insane at Byberry.)
 
  Elizabeth C
 
  --- On Wed, 6/25/08, Art Seddon
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  From: Art Seddon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Very Basic Questions
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
  Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 10:37 PM
  Hi Jane,
 
  I have any number of location entries with 5 or
 more
  fields, such as:
  Oakwood Memorial Cemetery, Chatsworth, Los
 Angeles,
  California, USA
   

 
 
 
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RE: [LegacyUG] More basic questions


Ian,

Please see below, my answer really relate to GB but I am under the impression 
from Cathy that Aussie is similar.


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 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] More basic questions
 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:33:04 +1000
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com

 Hi All,
 I've been trying to follow this thread for a while...

 1. I used Locations to record Suburbs, Towns/Cities, State, Country.
 Please note I'm in Australia and have ancestors in Great Britain and
 Europe.

Your choice, but I find that the 4 location fields are not much use for 
European locations


 2. I used Address for Street address for residence, cemeteries etc. So
 that I can visit the area and perhaps even find a particular house.

 I've just ordered V7 and I'd like to map a house or a cemetery rather
 that a suburb or town.
 Please correct me if I don't understand, but to do this I need to put
 the whole address into the location field. Correct?

I have found that including the name of the road increses the accuracy no end. 
Very often VE will not find locations of the form parish/town/county/country 


 Do I need to input the geographic coordinates? How does the mapping
 tool find the location? (Sorry, Perhaps I should read the manual when I
 get it)

Again, your choice, if included VE uses them in preference to the location 
field details and hence will be more accurate - but then you have to get them 
entered.

 To take the problem further - if I have located a headstone and want to
 be able to find it again or map it - do I have to create a new location
 e.g. Grave 1 Row 3, etc. And record the coordinates?


I think so, cetainly you will need the co-ordinates.


 Thanks for any clarification :-)

 Ian Gorski
 Brisbane, Queensland, Australia

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Wendy Howard
Sent: Friday, 27 June 2008 3:22 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] More basic questions

Hi Jane,

1  3 - How you do your place names is up to you, but you will
find recommendations which may help you decide what you're going to do.

Outside of the USA, you will find that the four-place
convention you've described doesn't work too well, and many of
us not in the USA don't use it. Even within the USA, there
are a few places where it doesn't work I understand (from
reading this list). But if you want to use the Geo-location
Database (GLDb), it is needed, and many do use that
convention. Think about where your research is taking you,
and perhaps that will help you decide which way you want to work.

I don't use the four-field convention. When I only know the
location of an event in general terms, I put in what I know
without placeholder commas, even if it is only the country.
Works fine for me, and I don't use the GLDb. I'm sure there
are limitations in this method, but whatever they are they
don't bother me at this point in time.

For places within a town or city, you can put them in the
Location field or you can put the details in the address field
- see the + next to birth, christening, etc fields, or the
house icon in the marriage window.

2 - The description field, separate from the notes field, lets
you format the text more than if there was only the one field.
 You can customise the sentence construction, either for all
instances of a particular event or for one occurance of it.

Don't feel that you *have* to put something in the description
field just because it is there. You might have events where
you don't want to use it, and that is fine.

For census events, I have settled on a format where I put the
age and occupation in the description field, and have the
sentence read:
[HeShe] appeared on the census [onDate] [inPlace] as a
[Desc].[Sources] [Notes]. This means that my
3x-great-grandfather Robert IRELAND's entry in the 1851
England census reads: He appeared on the census in
1851 in Langtoft, Yorkshire, England as a 36-year-old
blacksmith. The description field contains 36-year-old
blacksmith, and there is nothing in the notes. The full
transcription of the household is in the Source Text, and
prints in the endnotes.

There are many ways of presenting census events in your
database, and this is one I have settled on after reading this
list for a while and reading the examples others have posted.

Don't forget to look up the Help when you've got questions -
I've learned a lot from reading the notes there, as well as
from this list.

Hope this helps. :-)

Kind Regards,
Wendy Howard
--
Kaiwaka, Northland, New Zealand

Re: [LegacyUG] More basic questions

Here are some comments. to 1. I have locations ' , , ,
Europe' and ' , , , United States'. The program
doesn't care.
2. What I do in Events: Description is a general
comment like: with parents, with family, with mother
and grandfather, on own. Notes, is for more detail
facts like transcripts or quotes. In my census records
I use this style of Source name. 
USA, IL, Cook, Chicago, 1930
NRG, ST, Bynaset, Lovset 1900 Census, which descibes
easily what it includes. I expand the abbreviations in
the Title field. It leps similar sources together.
Rich in LA CA


--- Jane Sarles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Firstly, let me express much gratitude to the very
 helpful answers that 
 have appeared from so many of you.  It is really
 something to have such 
 great help available.
 
 I am trying to batch my newbie questions so as not
 to clutter up the 
 list too badly.
 
 1.  This is the reverse of my first Place
 question.  If one does not 
 know the name of the town, or perhaps, even the name
 of the County, but 
 only the state, do I understand from the demo tour
 that is should be put 
 in by using commas thusly, , Indiana, USA?  Will
 that serve to make 
 my Master Place list all in good order?
 
 2.  In the Event screen, I do not understand the
 distinction between 
 description and notes.  For instance, if the event
 is a census listing, 
 the Event is Census, the Description would also be
 Census, and I 
 guess the note would be the information contained in
 the census 
 listing.  Or would the Description be the
 information contained in the 
 census listing?  The Description and the Notes seem
 to me to be redundant.
 
 3.  In my practice set, I have Helen Holloway dying
 in Shelbyville, 
 Shelby County, Kentucky, USA.  I have put in the
 place, but wish to add 
 the hospital.  However, when I click on the plus
 sign after the place 
 space, nothing happens - no other screen opens up. 
 How do I put the 
 address in?
 
 I am saving all the answers to my questions in a
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RE: [LegacyUG] More basic questions

2008-06-27 Thread Gorski Ian

Thanks Ron,
I haven't used the 4 field format, only what is relevant.  
Looks like I've got a bit of work to do to get pins on maps..  :-)

I'm thinking I could use short locations for more higher level views
e.g. to town/suburb level and use that for most reports.  Perhaps that
could be also used for keeping some addresses private too

Thanks again
Ian 

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Ian,

Please see below, my answer really relate to GB but I am under 
the impression from Cathy that Aussie is similar.


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 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] More basic questions
 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:33:04 +1000
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 Hi All,
 I've been trying to follow this thread for a while...

 1. I used Locations to record Suburbs, Towns/Cities, State, Country.
 Please note I'm in Australia and have ancestors in Great Britain and 
 Europe.

Your choice, but I find that the 4 location fields are not 
much use for European locations


 2. I used Address for Street address for residence, 
cemeteries etc. So 
 that I can visit the area and perhaps even find a particular house.

 I've just ordered V7 and I'd like to map a house or a 
cemetery rather 
 that a suburb or town.
 Please correct me if I don't understand, but to do this I 
need to put 
 the whole address into the location field. Correct?

I have found that including the name of the road increses the 
accuracy no end. Very often VE will not find locations of the 
form parish/town/county/country 


 Do I need to input the geographic coordinates? How does the mapping 
 tool find the location? (Sorry, Perhaps I should read the 
manual when 
 I get it)

Again, your choice, if included VE uses them in preference to 
the location field details and hence will be more accurate - 
but then you have to get them entered.

 To take the problem further - if I have located a headstone and want 
 to be able to find it again or map it - do I have to create a new 
 location e.g. Grave 1 Row 3, etc. And record the coordinates?


I think so, cetainly you will need the co-ordinates.


 Thanks for any clarification :-)

 Ian Gorski
 Brisbane, Queensland, Australia

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Hi Jane,

1  3 - How you do your place names is up to you, but you will find 
recommendations which may help you decide what you're going to do.

Outside of the USA, you will find that the four-place convention 
you've described doesn't work too well, and many of us not 
in the USA 
don't use it. Even within the USA, there are a few places where it 
doesn't work I understand (from reading this list). But if 
you want to 
use the Geo-location Database (GLDb), it is needed, and many do use 
that convention. Think about where your research is taking you, and 
perhaps that will help you decide which way you want to work.

I don't use the four-field convention. When I only know the location 
of an event in general terms, I put in what I know without 
placeholder 
commas, even if it is only the country.
Works fine for me, and I don't use the GLDb. I'm sure there are 
limitations in this method, but whatever they are they don't 
bother me 
at this point in time.

For places within a town or city, you can put them in the Location 
field or you can put the details in the address field
- see the + next to birth, christening, etc fields, or the 
house icon 
in the marriage window.

2 - The description field, separate from the notes field, lets you 
format the text more than if there was only the one field.
 You can customise the sentence construction, either for all 
instances 
of a particular event or for one occurance of it.

Don't feel that you *have* to put something in the description field 
just because it is there. You might have events where you don't want 
to use it, and that is fine.

For census events, I have settled on a format where I put 
the age and 
occupation in the description field, and have the sentence read:
[HeShe] appeared on the census [onDate] [inPlace] as a 
[Desc].[Sources] [Notes]. This means that my 3x-great-grandfather 
Robert IRELAND's entry in the 1851 England census reads: He 
appeared 
on the census in
1851 in Langtoft, Yorkshire, England as a 36-year-old

Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location Mess

I am confused by the way you have the locations set
up, which may be why no one is answering you. You are
allowed to do it whathever way you like. 
Your descriptions do not match your locations. What I
read it as is
Kansas = city
Chautauqua County = county
Chautauqua = state
other = other
country = USA
IMHO, city and state are swapped for the first
problem.
what is the use of 'other'. Is other a smaller than a
city 'place'.
What you might consider doing is finding someone who
is both MS Access literate, and a Legacy user, and
local to you. 
In general, the locations must be separated using the
Access program systems, then renamed, then resent to
Legacy. I haven't played with it in 10 years, so I
would have to relearn the whole thing. 
And the most important question is, have you been
consistant in the field usage as desribed. There are a
ouple of Access whizes on the LUG. maybe one of them
might contact you off-line.
Last question. How many people in your DB? You might
need to go to View, Master Lists, Locations and (after
backing up) go through and edit each location, one at
a time. The list will resort but it should be obvious
which ones haven't been done yet.
Good Luck.
If you want more in depth stuff, send to me off line. 
Rich in LA CA


--- Juli Kearns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 As simply as I can state it, here's an example of my
 problem.
 
 The way things are...
 
 Kansas, Chautauqua County, Chautauqua, other, USA
 city, county, state, other, country
 
 Of course I want...
 
 USA, Kansas, Chautauqua County, Chautauqua, other
 country, state, county, city, other
 
 How this happened was I began doing this way way way
 back when I didn't 
 have  an option for a pre-defined country, state,
 county, city order yet 
 this was the easiest way for me to examine
 populations.
 
 I was hoping to do a fix for this by switching
 everything to generic 
 order, thinking that might wipe out the currently
 applied USA terms,  
 then applying appropriate pre-defined USA sorts to
 the generic 
 terms--but I see that doesn't do it?
 
 Is there anything I can do other than re-entering
 everything...which 
 would be at this point a rather formidable task?  Or
 do I live with it.
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Using Legacy with the New.familsearch

Ed,

I don't know anything specifically about the New.Familysearch DB, but
you you export from it to a GEDCOM file?  If so, you could them import
that into Legacy.  Don't forget to backup before importing or merging
this GEDCOM into your family file.

Also, I seem to remember Sherry or someone from Millennia (the makers
of Legacy) saying here recently that Legacy7 will eventually be able
to link directly to the Familysearch Database when it's fully
available to all, or am I mixing this up with something else?

Regards,

Dermot.

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 Can you import information out of the New.Familysearch data base int Legacy
 7.0
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Re: [LegacyUG] Question about sourcing books

Mary,
  Thanks for that.  It was a case that I didn't notice the scroll bar
to go down to enter that info.

Richard,
  Thanks for your input.

To all,
  Do you have any answers/opinions on the rest of my questions?

Thanks,
Chuck

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 And last but not least, what does (N.p.: n.p., n.d.) mean at the
 very end of that source?

 N.p. = no place
 n.p. = no publisher
 n.d. = no date

 (Because the format is supposed to follow the format of place, publisher, 
 date.)

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Re: [LegacyUG] Citing LONG!! url's

Allen,

This came up here recently, someone else (I think Ronald Ferguson)
said the same as you, and someone else refuted it, so there does seem
to be some confusion.  According to the website that Chap mentioned
(http://www.tiny.cc), Tiny.cc turns a ridiculously long URL into a
tiny URL... short, meaningful and permanent  Note the last word,
permanent.

Regards,

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 Could you use tinyurl ?
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Re: [LegacyUG] Question about sourcing books

Chuck,

Regarding the page numbers, I would use the number that is displayed
on the page itself (i.e. 2880) rather than 578, as, in my opinion,
that number is only for that particular volume, but it sounds like
it's one big book that had to be split over 5 CDs as it was too big.

That's how I'd do it, anyway, but what do I know!!

Regards,

Dermot.

2008/6/27 Chuck Arbogast [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Mary,
  Thanks for that.  It was a case that I didn't notice the scroll bar
 to go down to enter that info.

 Richard,
  Thanks for your input.

 To all,
  Do you have any answers/opinions on the rest of my questions?

 Thanks,
 Chuck

 On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 10:27 PM, Mary Moyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Chuck

 And last but not least, what does (N.p.: n.p., n.d.) mean at the
 very end of that source?

 N.p. = no place
 n.p. = no publisher
 n.d. = no date

 (Because the format is supposed to follow the format of place, publisher, 
 date.)

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Re: [LegacyUG] Locations

2008-06-27 Thread s2f

Gene - Looks great, will try it out. Thanks.  

The only flaw I've encountered is when a county was formed out of  two or more 
parent counties.  Since I don't know a town, I propose to add both county's to 
that position in the location.  e.g., Yancey county, NC was formed from 
Buncombe and Burke Counties, so my location will become ',Buncombe or Burke, 
North Carolina, USA'. This of course requires that the 'USA County 
Verification' feature be turned off to allow the program to accept this entry.  
If I later decide to run the County verification, by turning this feature back 
on, I would have to understand that the dual (or more) county's in the errors 
would have to be ignored in the resultant report. Not a complete solution, but 
it will force me to research both county records for the original data should 
the need arise to do so.

Thanks again,

Bob

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GREAT SITE!!
 Thanks
 Keith
 
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  Seems as though each time I review a section of the videos, I wind up
  having to correct hundreds of records to bring my files into some semblance
  of standardization.  I just ran the 'USA County Verification' and have 27
  pages of discrepancies!!  The bulk of them have to do with USA county's 
  that
  were not in existence at the time the event data was used - some of this
  data from well-recognized genealogist's research.  I know that Geoff
  indicates that an 'animap' program is available for about $80 that would
  provide this information, but this is beginning to become a 'Barbie'
  package. :-) - you know where there is no end of stuff to buy for her.
   I even went to the US Geological Service (USGS) but their data is so
  convoluted and condensedthat it is almost unuseable for my purposes.
 
   I know I could go to the next higher level in the 'location' format but
  that removes some good information.  i.e., instead of  ',Unicoi, Tennessee,
  USA', I could go with ',,Tennessee, USA', but I would like to pinpoint the
  location at the time of the event.  Right now, I am changing county's that 
  I
  know about, but are there any alternative suggestions out there?
  Bob
 
 
 
  Go to
 
  http://www.familyhistory101.com/map_county.html
 
  It will show the progression of county formations so you can see what county
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  It is free.
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] More basic questions



Gorski Ian wrote
I've just ordered V7 and I'd like to map a house or a cemetery rather 
that a suburb or town. Please correct me if I don't understand, but to 
do this I need to put the whole address into the location field. 
Correct?


Do I need to input the geographic coordinates?  How does the mapping 
tool find the location?  (Sorry, Perhaps I should read the manual when 
I get it)


To take the problem further - if I have located a headstone and want to 
be able to find it again or map it - do I have to create a new location 
e.g. Grave 1 Row 3, etc. And record the coordinates?


You don't necessarily need to put the street address into the location 
field in order to get the precise spot marked on the map. For each event 
with a location there will be a separate marker on the map and you can 
position each one precisely where you want it for that particular event.


If you have a marker on a particular town where a burial took place you 
can move the marker to pinpoint the cemetery.  If you then get the 
co-ordinates of the exact plot you can enter them into Legacy and 
position the marker even more precisely.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Question about sourcing books

Chuck,

I just read over my reply to you and it didn't make sense even to me
(and I wrote it!!), so I'll try it again.

Regarding the page numbers, I would use the number that is displayed
on the page itself (i.e., 2880) rather than 578.  In my opinion, 578
is the pdf-generated number which shows that the particular page is
the 578th in this portion of the document, but 2880 is the page number
of the original book.  The fact that the book had to be split over 5
CDs when transferred to PDF is incidental, and it's page numbering is,
therefore, incidental also.

Sorry for the repetition, but hopefully this makes more sense.

Regards,

Dermot.

 2008/6/27 Chuck Arbogast [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Mary,
  Thanks for that.  It was a case that I didn't notice the scroll bar
 to go down to enter that info.

 Richard,
  Thanks for your input.

 To all,
  Do you have any answers/opinions on the rest of my questions?

 Thanks,
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Re: [LegacyUG] Question about sourcing books



Chuck Arbogast wrote
Charles Joseph Eades and Frances (Yeager) Dunham Ph. D., Descendants of 
Michael Arbogast (ca. 1734-1812), 5 Volumes , IV: 578 (2880); (N.p.: 
n.p., n.d.).



 What if there are more than two authors?


I would copy that Endnote/Footnote from the Preview, then switch to the 
Overrides tab and paste that text into the top box, then add and Name 
of Third Author before the first comma.


Then you'd  need to copy the Subsequent Citation and Bibliography and 
paste into the appropriate boxes.  Don't forget to tick the boxes for 
Use this customised ...


 Each volume is on a separate CD containing one pdf file.  The page 
number is 578 in the pdf file but at the bottom of the text is the page 
number and it has   2880, hence why I put 578 (2880). Is this correct 
way of doing it?  Volume III pdf last page in the text says 2304 and 
the first page in the Volume IV pdf text has 2305.  So, each pdf has 
page numbers in the text that don't correspond with the actual page 
number in the pdf.  My guess is on the original hard back volumes the 
page that I want to source would be 2880, so I was a little confused 
which one to use.  Any help would be appreciated.


Where an additional number has been added to a document, such as a 
page number which is stamped on in addition to a printed number, I 
believe it is best practice to indicate that by something like page 3 
(stamped).  In your case, I think it would be a good idea to use both 
numbers, as you have done, but indicate that one is the .pdf page 
number.  I think I'd enter the page number as 2880 (pdf page 578).


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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location Mess

2008-06-27 Thread Juli Kearns


RICHARD SCHULTHIES wrote:

I am confused by the way you have the locations set
up, which may be why no one is answering you. You are
allowed to do it whathever way you like. 
Your descriptions do not match your locations. What I

read it as is
Kansas = city
Chautauqua County = county
Chautauqua = state
other = other
country = USA
IMHO, city and state are swapped for the first
problem.
  
Right. 

what is the use of 'other'. Is other a smaller than a
city 'place'.
  

I was dealing with a  lot of reservation data.

What you might consider doing is finding someone who
is both MS Access literate, and a Legacy user, and
local to you. 
In general, the locations must be separated using the

Access program systems, then renamed, then resent to
Legacy. 

My brother happens to be a  software developer.  I'll give him a call.

Thanks!

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RE: [LegacyUG] Gedstar Pro 3.2 and Legacy 7 -- problems with conversion

2008-06-27 Thread Kathy Wallace

I did that after hearing back from Doug Gordon at GHCS Software.  It worked
perfectly.  I'm happy again.  Thanks for the reply.

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Gedstar Pro 3.2 and Legacy 7 -- problems with
conversion

I have converted legacy 7 file using Gedstar Pro 3.2 on a Vista computer.
All worked ok.  I converted direct from the Legacy 7 file not from Gedcom.
Try converting from the Legacy 7 data file.

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Subject: [LegacyUG] Gedstar Pro 3.2 and Legacy 7 -- problems with conversion

Any Gedstar Pro users who have upgraded to Legacy 7?  To complicate matters
I also changed computers and the new one is running Vista.

Legacy 7 is running fine so far on Vista.  I moved my Palm Pilot application
over to the new machine and have updated my Legacy file a lot lately so
decided to put Gedstar Pro on.  I'd bought Gedstar 3.1 and had used that
successfully with Legacy 6 on Windows XP.  When I went to download the
software I found that version 3.2 is available so downloaded that.  It
installed ok - on computer and Palm Pilot.  I exported my data file to a
gedcom file and proceeded to convert the file to Gedstar Pro format.  I got
an error message:

Line found in Gedcom without a level #

File TCGedparse.cpp  line 183.

I've messaged the software vendor but haven't had a response.  I don't know
if the problem is with my data file, the Gedstar software or if it is some
Vista incompatibility.  I can say that I seem to have been able to export
the same gedcom file to my old computer - still running Legacy 6.   I really
miss not having my data file on my Palm Pilot - and it has just been 24 hrs.
Suggestions appreciated.

Kathy

Ottawa, Canada.

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Re: [LegacyUG] More basic questions


Jenny M Benson wrote:

Gorski Ian wrote

I've just ordered V7 and I'd like to map a house or a cemetery rather
that a suburb or town. Please correct me if I don't understand, but
to do this I need to put the whole address into the location field.
Correct?

Do I need to input the geographic coordinates?  How does the mapping
tool find the location?  (Sorry, Perhaps I should read the manual
when I get it)

To take the problem further - if I have located a headstone and want
to be able to find it again or map it - do I have to create a new
location e.g. Grave 1 Row 3, etc. And record the coordinates?


You don't necessarily need to put the street address into the location
field in order to get the precise spot marked on the map. For each
event with a location there will be a separate marker on the map and
you can position each one precisely where you want it for that
particular event.
If you have a marker on a particular town where a burial took place
you can move the marker to pinpoint the cemetery.  If you then get the
co-ordinates of the exact plot you can enter them into Legacy and
position the marker even more precisely.


Are you saying the map marker is linked to the event, not the location?

I thought the marker was linked to the location name.  In that case if you
1. entered the burial town as NYC, ,NY,USA
2. put the cemetery name in the address field
3. moved the marker to pinpoint the exact cemtery location

the marker would now have moved to that cemetery location for every other 
event that referenced the city of NY and that would be wrong for all the 
other events linked to that location.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Personal E-mail Master Source Template (lumping vs. splitting)

2008-06-27 Thread Ann Parsons

Geoff,

Regarding when one has several letters from one person.
  Would it be possible to adapt the SourceWriter for those of us that that 
do our correspondence somewhat as one would do a book.
  The sender would be thought of same as one would the name of the book.
  Then each letter would be a separate detail (where one would put the page 
#) such as Email from John Smith to Jane Doe 14 June 2006 re: marriage of 
Charlotte M. Jones  Vince Brown.
  Detail text could be such as According to the Humboldt County Marriage 
Index 1920-1928, Vince Brown married Charlotte Jones 9 May 1925. License 
T-182.

Ann Parsons
New Mexico, USA


- Original Message - 
From: Gail Nestor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 12:53 PM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Personal E-mail Master Source Template (lumping vs. 
splitting)


 Hi Geoff, I agree with others that it would be nice to have the option
 to enter the sender, recipient, and subject matter information within
 the source detail rather than in the master source.  I would much
 rather lump all e-mails under a single master source like Nestor
 Research Files rather than having a separate source for each note I
 receive.

 I realize that I can type the details into the Text/Comments field of
 the Source Detail screen to sort of get around this, but then I lose
 the order of the components.  Maybe we could provide a button on the
 master source screen that would allow the user to access the same
 template at the source detail level instead of the master source
 level.

 Also, I noticed there is an extra comma right after e-address as
 follows: (E-ADDRESS),  STREET ADDRESS FOR PRIVATE USE,] in the
 output.  I'm going to wait on converting these sources for now.  It
 sounds like others would find this useful as well.

 Gail Rich Nestor
 Smyrna, Georgia
 www.roots2buds.net 




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Re: [LegacyUG] More basic questions

2008-06-27 Thread Gene Young

Jane Sarles wrote:

3. In my practice set, I have Helen Holloway dying in Shelbyville,
Shelby County, Kentucky, USA. I have put in the place, but wish to add
the hospital. However, when I click on the plus sign after the place
space, nothing happens - no other screen opens up. How do I put the
address in?

This seems to be the only question not directly addressed so I will attempt to
help you with it.

When you click on the plus sign a small box should pop up giving three choices.

Death Address
Death Notes
Death Pictures

Selecting Death Address gives you the opportunity to select, or add, a
location address.
Selecting Death Notes opens a notes field tied directly to this individuals
death.
Selecting Death Pictures allows you to add pictures that you feel should be associated with that
individuals death.

Don't ask me what to enter in these fields as those questions tend to start flame wars among the
No I'm right! crowd. Enter what you feel should go there and what YOU are comfortable with. As
long as you do not stray too far from generally accepted practices and the end result is
understandable you will be OK.

If the small pop up box does not appear to give you the above choices you should contact Millenia
Support directly.

There are a small number of people on this list who are always negative and criticizing everyone who
doesn't do it their way. I would suggest you take what they say with a grain of salt and if they
say The rules say to do it this way just remember that this is your hobby and there are no RULES
that you MUST follow. Only suggestions to help you be organized and consistently understandable.

I hope this helps get you going and good luck.
--
Gene Y.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Very Basic Questions

I have never gotten straight what the address fields were for.  I had 
understood they were for keeping track of members who are alive and to 
be mailed to.  What is the difference between location and address?


  Elizabeth C

Thomas Herson wrote:
The number of pages is high for the intended use of the location 
fields. You have 146 locations where one should suffice for 
Philadelphia.  The street addresses are intended to be put in the 
address fields, not the location fields. But, since most people on 
this list pay no attention whatsoever to the instructions and do as 
they please, there's no harm in your doing what you please :)


- Original Message - From: Elizabeth Cunningham 
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Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Very Basic Questions

I had never actually run a Location Report, so I did, all 66 pages of 
it. There are 146 Philadelphia Locations in it that are street 
addresses.  Is this a high or low number of pages for this report?  
My ancestors seem to have moved around a bit, and this particular 
crowd mostly only arrived in the 1880's or 1890's.   The group that 
has been here longer all lived out in the country.


 Elizabeth C







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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7 Cannot set Location for Document Files

2008-06-27 Thread Brian/Support


Pat,

The problem you reported with the location of document files has been 
fixed and will be available in the next update.


Brian
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Brian/Support wrote:

Pat,

The problem you reported has been tested and is confirmed as a bug. A 
report has been recorded in our problem tracking system so this can be 
fixed. Susan forwarded this to our Bug reporting system.


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Pat Walker wrote:
I just realized that when I change the directory/location for Document 
Files--it does not show up--after being saved.  Anyone else have this 
problem?  Am I doing something wrong?  I click on change (have even 
tried reset, then change) and then browse to the location of my 
document files.


Then I click save and when I go back into Options, Customize, 
Locations, the Documents Files box is blank.


Thanks






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Re: [LegacyUG] Very Basic Questions

2008-06-27 Thread Bill

--- On Thu, 6/26/08, Dennis M. Kowallek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Dennis M. Kowallek [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Very Basic Questions
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 4:27 PM
 Ruth's reply to me must have gotten filtered out.

 But my answer to her would be different
 strokes. I participate in this
 hobby for my own enjoyment, and am not concerned one way or
 the other
 about future generations trying to use my
 research.

 -- 

 Dennis

Dennis

My sentiments exactly. No one in my family has any interest in genealogy, so 
all my work will probably be lost. 

Bill

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RE: [LegacyUG] Question about sourcing books

2008-06-27 Thread Margaret Couch

Just a tip for citing publications while you are learning what might go
where - try looking the title up on the internet to see how they are
catalogued by some libraries or publishers, for example this from Williamson
County Public Library

Author: Eades, Charles Joseph.  
Title: Descendants of Michael Arbogast (ca. 1734-1812) [electronic resource]
/ compiled by Charles Joseph Eades, with research assistance from Amanda
(Arbogast) Forbes. 
Publisher: Franklin, Tenn. : Westbrook Pub., c1995.

Descript 5 volumes. 
Note Includes index. 
Contents Vol. I - John Arbogast. Vol. II - David Arbogast, Michael Arbogast,
Peter Arbogast. Vol. III - Mary Arbogast, Dorothy Arbogast, Henry Arbogast,
George Arbosgast. Vol. IV - Adam Arbogast. Vol. V - Combined index. 
Subject Biography -- Arbogast family.  
 Arbogast family.  
Co-author Forbes, Amanda Arbogast.  

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Re: [LegacyUG] Citing LONG!! url's

I only cite the short URL (www.ancestry.com).  There are two reasons.  For 
one thing Ancesty (or whoever) could easily reorganize their website and 
then the URL wouldn't work.  If you go to the main site, you can find the 
document because you know the particulars and could easily search for the 
info.


Also, Ancestry and the like are subscription services.  If you don't have a 
subscription you won't be able to access it anyway.


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[LegacyUG] fixing locations in imported file

In order to get locations properly stated in my 4000+ file that I have 
imported into Legacy, it appears I must go through and change all those 
for whom I have


(example)   Marshall Co. ALA to

 , Marshall County, Alabama, USA

A daunting task indeed.

Otherwise, I fear I will not be able to use the new Mapping feature, 
even when I find out what it is and how to use it.


Jane Sarles






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Re: [LegacyUG] fixing locations in imported file

2008-06-27 Thread Beth Gay


Hi Jane,

Which program and version were you using prior to Legacy? Depending on 
the program it may be easier to resolve the place names in your previous 
program and then import.


Best,
Beth G.
Auburn, Alabama

Jane Sarles wrote:
In order to get locations properly stated in my 4000+ file that I have 
imported into Legacy, it appears I must go through and change all 
those for whom I have


(example)   Marshall Co. ALA to

 , Marshall County, Alabama, USA

A daunting task indeed.

Otherwise, I fear I will not be able to use the new Mapping feature, 
even when I find out what it is and how to use it.


Jane Sarles













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Re: [LegacyUG] fixing locations in imported file

2008-06-27 Thread Mary Fowler Leek

Jane,

Are you referring to 4000 locations or 4000 people with locations?

Just work through the Master location list, and do a few at a time. It won't 
take as long as it seems (maybe :-)

On the off chance you don't know this, changing through the master location 
list will automatically change the location in every entry that uses it.

Mary
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jane Sarles 
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
  Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 8:11 AM
  Subject: [LegacyUG] fixing locations in imported file


  In order to get locations properly stated in my 4000+ file that I have 
  imported into Legacy, it appears I must go through and change all those 
  for whom I have

  (example)   Marshall Co. ALA to

, Marshall County, Alabama, USA

  A daunting task indeed.

  Otherwise, I fear I will not be able to use the new Mapping feature, 
  even when I find out what it is and how to use it.

  Jane Sarles





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RE: [LegacyUG] Using Legacy with the New.familsearch

2008-06-27 Thread GBallard

Dermot  Ed,

Dermot is correct that Legacy will Sync with new.familysearch.org when it is
released to the general public.  It is now in a limited or Beta release,
but it is getting closer to it's full release.

Glen Ballard 

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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using Legacy with the New.familsearch

Ed,

I don't know anything specifically about the New.Familysearch DB, but you
you export from it to a GEDCOM file?  If so, you could them import that into
Legacy.  Don't forget to backup before importing or merging this GEDCOM into
your family file.

Also, I seem to remember Sherry or someone from Millennia (the makers of
Legacy) saying here recently that Legacy7 will eventually be able to link
directly to the Familysearch Database when it's fully available to all, or
am I mixing this up with something else?

Regards,

Dermot.

2008/6/27 Ed maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Can you import information out of the New.Familysearch data base int 
 Legacy 7.0 Ed Maurer

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Re: [LegacyUG] fixing locations in imported file

When I switched from FTM to Legacy I went through and changed all the 
locations (I am right at 4000 in my file).


Long form:  Purvis, Lamar County, Mississippi, USA
Short form:  Purvis, Lamar Co, MS

It took me a while but I am glad I did it.  Everything is uniform now.  I 
can opt to use the short form in reports.


michele


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Subject: [LegacyUG] fixing locations in imported file



In order to get locations properly stated in my 4000+ file that I have
imported into Legacy, it appears I must go through and change all those
for whom I have

(example)   Marshall Co. ALA to

 , Marshall County, Alabama, USA

A daunting task indeed.

Otherwise, I fear I will not be able to use the new Mapping feature,
even when I find out what it is and how to use it.

Jane Sarles






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RE: [LegacyUG] fixing locations in imported file


Jane,

It is not a problem. Go to SearchSearch and Replace, Select Lists-Location and 
change ALA to Alabama then repeat using Location List - Short

Might take you a couple of minutes though :-)


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 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:11:37 -0400
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Subject: [LegacyUG] fixing locations in imported file

 In order to get locations properly stated in my 4000+ file that I have
 imported into Legacy, it appears I must go through and change all those
 for whom I have

 (example) Marshall Co. ALA to

 , Marshall County, Alabama, USA

 A daunting task indeed.

 Otherwise, I fear I will not be able to use the new Mapping feature,
 even when I find out what it is and how to use it.

 Jane Sarles


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RE: [LegacyUG] Dealing with unknown names

2008-06-27 Thread La Nell Shores

Jenny, 
There are a total of 13 standardization warnings.  I am asking for the
ability to globally turn off each one individually.  Right now, you can
either turn them all on or off.  

I really like most of the warnings, just not the ones that warn me of, 1)
Check for illegal characters in the name field, 2) Too many dashes in the
name field and 3) Mixed case.  Plus, I get this one - Surname: If you are
guessing a name, you should put your guess in the Research Notes, not a name
field.  If you do not know the name, leave the field blank.  Put nicknames
and alternate names in the AKA field - every time I use [--?--] for an
unknown name

I am asking to be able to turn off each of the 13 standardization warnings
individually, globally, in order to keep all the rest in force for the whole
database.  I want to do this in the OptionsCustomizeOtherTurn off or on
Optional Reminder Messages, not on each individuals information screen.

I hope this made it clear what I am asking for.
La Nell

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 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Dealing with unknown names


La Nell Shores wrote
From the amount of chatter on this subject, there must be a bunch of us 
who use , [--?--], or some other form of notation to 
indicate Unknown names.  If we all would submit a suggest a new 
feature to support, indicating that we would like to be able to turn 
off the standardization warnings individually, maybe they would hear us 
and fix it to our liking.

I must be misunderstanding what it is you are asking for because we can 
already turn off the standardization warnings individually.

You can uncheck any of the Standardisations you don't want to check for 
- such as illegal characters or too many dashes.  You can run a PP 
report with particular options checked and then mark each individual 
Mark as not a problem or you can tick the box on an Individual's page 
for Exclude from potential problems.

What more do you want?
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Re: [LegacyUG] More basic questions

2008-06-27 Thread Heather Stovold

1 - If you are using the 4 place level convention, then yes, if you
only know the state you would put in the extra commas..., ,
Indiana, USA.But it is up to you if you are going to do it that
way or not.  Just be consistant.   (btw, I do use the 4 levels like
that)

2. -  It does depend a lot on the event on if there is a big
difference from the Description field or Notes.   For the most part, I
would use the Description field.   For instance, using the Description
field for the Religion event, you get a sentance (shown at the bottom
of the event screen, and in various reports) that says He was
Anglican from 1841 to 1856.   If I put Anglican in the notes the
sentance would say He had a religion from 1841 to 1856. Anglican.
For the Census event, it looks like the description field is for the
name of the census - I don't use it, but just tried filling it in.
With the description blank it says He appeared on the census
in..  If I put in, say Canadian - it says He appeared on the
Canadian census in...

I generally only use the event notes to put in something unusual to
note.For instance, I have someone that was partially listed in a
sentance, and then crossed out and another family member put in the
same line.   So, in the notes of the event, I commented on that.

On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 9:23 PM, Jane Sarles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Firstly, let me express much gratitude to the very helpful answers that have
 appeared from so many of you.  It is really something to have such great
 help available.

 I am trying to batch my newbie questions so as not to clutter up the list
 too badly.

 1.  This is the reverse of my first Place question.  If one does not know
 the name of the town, or perhaps, even the name of the County, but only the
 state, do I understand from the demo tour that is should be put in by using
 commas thusly, , Indiana, USA?  Will that serve to make my Master Place
 list all in good order?

 2.  In the Event screen, I do not understand the distinction between
 description and notes.  For instance, if the event is a census listing, the
 Event is Census, the Description would also be Census, and I guess the
 note would be the information contained in the census listing.  Or would the
 Description be the information contained in the census listing?  The
 Description and the Notes seem to me to be redundant.

 3.  In my practice set, I have Helen Holloway dying in Shelbyville, Shelby
 County, Kentucky, USA.  I have put in the place, but wish to add the
 hospital.  However, when I click on the plus sign after the place space,
 nothing happens - no other screen opens up.  How do I put the address in?

 I am saving all the answers to my questions in a folder on my email titled
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Re: [LegacyUG] Using Legacy with the New.familsearch

2008-06-27 Thread Ed maurer


Hi to all and Dermot:
As a family worker here in the Seattle area we I guess are getting 
education  on how to use it when in Septembeer this area weill be open to 
all the members of the Church and they said it will be open in some form to 
non members also.



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Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 2:04 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using Legacy with the New.familsearch



Ed,

I don't know anything specifically about the New.Familysearch DB, but
you you export from it to a GEDCOM file?  If so, you could them import
that into Legacy.  Don't forget to backup before importing or merging
this GEDCOM into your family file.

Also, I seem to remember Sherry or someone from Millennia (the makers
of Legacy) saying here recently that Legacy7 will eventually be able
to link directly to the Familysearch Database when it's fully
available to all, or am I mixing this up with something else?

Regards,

Dermot.

2008/6/27 Ed maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Can you import information out of the New.Familysearch data base int 
Legacy

7.0
Ed Maurer

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Re: [LegacyUG] Using Legacy with the New.familsearch

Is it going to work the same what as the IGI search works now within Legacy?

michele

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Dermot  Ed,

Dermot is correct that Legacy will Sync with new.familysearch.org when it 
is
released to the general public.  It is now in a limited or Beta 
release,

but it is getting closer to it's full release.

Glen Ballard

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Re: [LegacyUG] Dealing with unknown names



La Nell Shores wrote
There are a total of 13 standardization warnings.  I am asking for the 
ability to globally turn off each one individually.  Right now, you can 
either turn them all on or off.


Rather by chance, I have happened on what you are talking about - which 
is the Optional Reminder Message concerning Standardisation.  I had 
presumed you were talking about the options for a Potential Problems 
Report.


I haven't had that switched on - as I didn't have the Display Potential 
Problems message switched on with version 6.  I just run a PPR every now 
and then and can select what warnings I do or don't want.

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Re: [LegacyUG] More basic questions



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

Are you saying the map marker is linked to the event, not the location?


Sorry.  Please ignore my earlier post.  I think my brain was not fully 
engaged!

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Re: [LegacyUG] Very Basic Questions

2008-06-27 Thread Mary Fowler Leek

I would hope you would consider sharing, at some later date, your research with 
Ancestry or Rootsweb or your local library genealogical research dept. and or 
your county Genealogical Society. Also please consider printing and leaving a 
copy or two for your family. Sometimes young family members don't become 
interested in their family history until they're older and have more time to 
reflect.

While I agree about doing it for your own pleasure and interest, after the 
hundreds of hours of time and money invested in your hobby, it would be a shame 
for your work to be lost to future researchers. I have benefited so much from 
older generations who have added a bit here and there, the earlier data 
encouraged me to continue adding to the family history.

I gather, source and format my research to my liking but I am going to share my 
results, on the off chance it might benefit someone down the road.

Mary


  From: Bill 

  Dennis

  My sentiments exactly. No one in my family has any interest in genealogy, so 
all my work will probably be lost. 

  Bill


  --- On Thu, 6/26/08, Dennis M. Kowallek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 4:27 PM
   Ruth's reply to me must have gotten filtered out.
   
   But my answer to her would be different
   strokes. I participate in this
   hobby for my own enjoyment, and am not concerned one way or
   the other
   about future generations trying to use my
   research.
   
   Dennis





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Re: [LegacyUG] fixing locations in imported file

2008-06-27 Thread Randolph Clark

Not true.

On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Jane Sarles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In order to get locations properly stated in my 4000+ file that I have
 imported into Legacy, it appears I must go through and change all those for
 whom I have

 (example)   Marshall Co. ALA to

  , Marshall County, Alabama, USA

 A daunting task indeed.

 Otherwise, I fear I will not be able to use the new Mapping feature, even
 when I find out what it is and how to use it.

 Jane Sarles




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Re: [LegacyUG] Citing LONG!! url's

2008-06-27 Thread Elsie Saar



I don't know the right way, but I put www.Ancestry.com, and then the 
name of the database I found it in. Surely one (not you) could get 
carried away with this stuff. The genealogy police and come after me, 
I'm not afraid.  :-))  My sources are my sources, enough to let me 
find the info again. If I write a book, I'll face the sources issue 
then. This is supposed to be fun. For the real serious genealogists on 
this list, I'm sure this source writer is an excellent tool.


Elsie



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Keith Bage

Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 11:59 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Citing LONG!! url's


I am using the new source writer to cite an online obituary and in 
the
source detail I'm asked to enter the specific url. In this case 
the url is
from Ancestry (see below). Surely this can;t be the right url to 
reference?

How are others doing this? Any advice?

http://www.ancestry.com/search/obit/view.aspx?db=web-obituarykw=bagepid=67
41758url=http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll%3Fdb%3dweb-obituary%252
c%26rank%3d0%26_80004002%3d%26_80004003%3dbage%26gsco%3d1%252cAll%2bCountrie
s%26gspl%3d1%252c%2b%26_8204%3d%26_810002A3%3d%26_810002A2%3d%26_810002A
1%3d%26rg_83004031-int%3d%26rs_83004031-int%3d1%26_81004013%3d%26_81004012%3
d%26_81004011%3d%26_81004033%3d%26_81004032%3d%26_81004031%3d%26_8012%3d
%26_8013%3d%26_F0002717%3d%26gskw%3d%26prox%3d1%26_F0002716%3d%26ti%3d0%
26ti.si%3d0%26gss%3dangs-d


Keith Bage
BAGE one-name study (Goons registered #4451)
www.bage.org.uk






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Re: [LegacyUG] fixing locations in imported file

2008-06-27 Thread Judy


Jane~

I had to do the same thing when I switched from FTM.  The Search and 
Replace feature that Legacy offers will help.  SearchSearch and Replace 
Lists-Location.  Check exact match and replace only found text with 
replacement text.  Try it on your sample database, FIRST, to get a feel of 
how it works and if the end result is what you want.


Best of luck.

Judy



In order to get locations properly stated in my 4000+ file that I have 
imported into Legacy, it appears I must go through and change all those 
for whom I have


(example)   Marshall Co. ALA to

 , Marshall County, Alabama, USA

A daunting task indeed.

Otherwise, I fear I will not be able to use the new Mapping feature, 
even when I find out what it is and how to use it.


Jane Sarles





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Re: [LegacyUG] fixing locations in imported file

I was speaking of 4000+ people in the data base.  I have started through 
the process.  I also decided to order the deluxe version, so I no doubt 
will be peppering the list with questions.  Or maybe not, since I also 
get a manual and a training disc.  I may never need to ask another 
question. (big grin).


Jane


Mary Fowler Leek wrote:

Jane,
 
Are you referring to 4000 locations or 4000 people with locations?
 
Just work through the Master location list, and do a few at a time. It 
won't take as long as it seems (maybe :-)
 
On the off chance you don't know this, changing through the master 
location list will automatically change the location in every entry 
that uses it.
 
Mary


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*Sent:* Friday, June 27, 2008 8:11 AM
*Subject:* [LegacyUG] fixing locations in imported file

In order to get locations properly stated in my 4000+ file that I
have
imported into Legacy, it appears I must go through and change all
those
for whom I have

(example)   Marshall Co. ALA to

  , Marshall County, Alabama, USA

A daunting task indeed.

Otherwise, I fear I will not be able to use the new Mapping
feature,
even when I find out what it is and how to use it.

Jane Sarles

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Re: [LegacyUG] Citing LONG!! url's

2008-06-27 Thread Elsie Saar

Don, I'm with you here. URLs change, websites come and go. The website 
gets the info from somewhere and that is what I source.  For census, I 
use census citations as NARA does, doesn't matter if I saw it on NARA, 
on Ancestry, or at my local county clerk's office. It is still the 
same document.


I am a firm believer in sourcing, everything gets sourced in my 
database but I try to keep it to the basics. Life is short at my 
tender of age of 63.


Elsie




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Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 10:40 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Citing LONG!! url's



Don:

No protest.  What you've said is basically what Ms. Mills says too.

Kirsten

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Cook

Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 2:25 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Citing LONG!! url's


Keith,

I for one have long ago abandoned any attempt to use URL's of this 
nature in
citations. You have pointed to one problem and the other is that 
with the
nature of URL's and web-design and re-design and re-design and ... 
the URL

by its very nature has little or no permanence to it.

From what I can see you are looking at an obituary on Ancestry.com
referencing a Bage. To me, the citation would require that you 
acknowledge
that it was from Ancestry.com and the search parameters that will 
allow
others to locate it, such as the name, where published originally, 
date
published, etc. These items should be taken from the item viewed not 
the

ones you used for the search, it can be different.

Many of these issues are being foisted off on us because E. S. Mills 
says
this is the way it should be and we all are jumping on it.  Let's 
hope she

doesn't write a new book or we'll all be converting again.

I expect this reply to evoke a storm of protest ... so be it!

Don

From: Keith Bage
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 12:58 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Citing LONG!! url's


I am using the new source writer to cite an online obituary and in 
the
source detail I'm asked to enter the specific url. In this case 
the url is
from Ancestry (see below). Surely this can;t be the right url to 
reference?

How are others doing this? Any advice?

http://www.ancestry.com/search/obit/view.aspx?db=web-obituarykw=bagepid=67
41758url=http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll%3Fdb%3dweb-obituary%252
c%26rank%3d0%26_80004002%3d%26_80004003%3dbage%26gsco%3d1%252cAll%2bCountrie
s%26gspl%3d1%252c%2b%26_8204%3d%26_810002A3%3d%26_810002A2%3d%26_810002A
1%3d%26rg_83004031-int%3d%26rs_83004031-int%3d1%26_81004013%3d%26_81004012%3
d%26_81004011%3d%26_81004033%3d%26_81004032%3d%26_81004031%3d%26_8012%3d
%26_8013%3d%26_F0002717%3d%26gskw%3d%26prox%3d1%26_F0002716%3d%26ti%3d0%
26ti.si%3d0%26gss%3dangs-d


Keith Bage
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Re: [LegacyUG] Locations

2008-06-27 Thread Penny

I guess I'm just plain old fashioned.  LOL

When Legacy informs me I've erred on original location county names, I refer to 
my old 
stand-bys: The Red Book or Everton's Handy Guide for Genealogists.  Both 
have U.S. 
county formation dates and parent-counties.

I thought everybody had at least one copy of one of these on their bookshelves, 
but I 
guess the computer-age has changed that.  Go figure! ;)

Penny





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Re: [LegacyUG] fixing locations in imported file

2008-06-27 Thread Roberta Wunder

Using Search and Replace will correct this quickly.

Tell it to search locations and change Co. to County, ALA to Alabama etc.
Easy as pie.

Roberta Wunder

On 6/27/08, Beth Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Jane,

Which program and version were you using prior to Legacy? Depending on the
program it may be easier to resolve the place names in your previous program
and then import.

Best,
Beth G.
Auburn, Alabama

Jane Sarles wrote:

In order to get locations properly stated in my 4000+ file that I have
imported into Legacy, it appears I must go through and change all those for
whom I have

(example) Marshall Co. ALA to

, Marshall County, Alabama, USA

A daunting task indeed.

Otherwise, I fear I will not be able to use the new Mapping feature,
even when I find out what it is and how to use it.

Jane Sarles

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[LegacyUG] Locations addresses - some problems in following standard procedures

2008-06-27 Thread Pat Hickin


Dear Legacy Users:

I recently got the CDs including training videos for Leg7.

Yesterday I watched the one that includes directions for locations/places. 


I hadn't been doing them right at all.

So I started with my Master Location List.


I'm sorry to write such a long letter with so many questions but they're 
all so inter-related, I couldn't see a good way to break it up.


These are some problems I encountered right off the bat:

#1: I hadn't been following the four fields consistently: Town, county, 
state, country.
For one thing in Virginia, since the 1929 constitution, if you live in a 
1st-class city you do NOT live in a county -- e.g., Roanoke City is not 
in Roanoke County, they are totally separate jurisdictions. So in those 
cases there are only 3 fields.  So I think in that case I just need to 
enter them as follows:

, City of Roanoke, VA, USA.
Salem, Roanoke County, VA, USA (which violates the rule to omit the word 
county when you specify a town).  Agree?


#2: In the past, I haven't been entering the country at all since all my 
ancestral lines came to this country before the Revolution and I have 
very little info on the families while they were still in the Germanies, 
British isles -- and nobody came from anywhere else. Since we are 
supposed to enter location names as they WERE at the time, this creates 
a whole bunch of problems for me.  Obviously I can't enter USA as a 
country until 1776 or so.  And I don't know how to find the official 
names of the communities, provinces, etc.,  in the Germanies/Holland.  
For the ones who came from the British  isles,  I either don't even 
know  where they were born or again don't know how to find  the  proper 
terminology.  I think the Brits all came  in the 1600s.


Is there any way to add USA at one fell swoop to all locations with a 
post-1776 date?


#3: For European locations, can one add a comma where one would 
ordinarily put a country/nation-- i.e., in the last field?


#4: When I am going to change a location in the Master Location List and 
I click to show a list of everyone who will be affected by the change, 
how do I print the list?   I don't see a way to do that except to take a 
screenshot and print that out.
(To explain why I need this  E.g., I have had some entries that 
read Haymakertown, Fincastle PO, Amsterdam Twp., Botetourt Co., VA. This 
info from mid-19th century census returns.  SO-O-O if I'm to put the 
address under the + sign I can make the change in the Master Location 
List to the recommended standard, I'll change the MLL entry to 
Amsterdam, Botetourt, VA, USA.  BUT then I have to edit each individual 
to add street address if given, Haymakertown, Fincastle PO as the 
address.  HOWEVER, if the entry is for the marriage field or an event 
field there isn't  a + SIGN to enter the address under!!  So in that 
case do you add it in the note field for the event?


#5: Another problem -- if I have already made the change from the MLL, i 
find it difficult to know which events I should add the specific address 
to. Any suggestions?


#6: An additional problem, I can go from the list of affected 
individuals to their main info screens, but I do not see a way to get 
into their marriage info from the affected individuals list -- am I 
right about this?


#7: Why isn't there a + SIGN for EVERY location?

#8: An additional problem.  Virginia didn't HAVE townships before 1869 
or after 1900.  They were instituted during Reconstruction when 
carpetbaggers and scalawags wrote the state constitution and tried 
to remake Virginia in the image of New England.  So before 1869 and 
after 1900 I need to enter the location info as Haymakertown, Botetourt, 
VA, USA.  Haymakertown is ca 6.5 miles from Fincastle, the county seat, 
and about the same distance from the VILLAGE of Amsterdam, which is 
different from Amsterdam Twp., which covered 
about 1/3 Botetourt County. 

To me it's important to distinguish among the three, especially because 
culturally the three were very different.  Fincastle was settled by  
English and  Scots-Irish, often slaveholders, whereas the village of 
Amsterdam was settled by  Pennsylvanians of German and Dutch (from 
Holland) ancestry, mostly plain people -- primarily pacifist 
Dunkards/Tunkers who opposed slaveholding -- the two cultures were very 
different and to this day there is very little intermarriage between the 
two groups.  Haymakertown is a country/farming hamlet not strongly 
identified with either group (to my mind at least).


It seems to me the best way to handle this is to list all of the 
locations, regardless of time period as Haymakertown, Botetourt, VA, USA
and then under the + sign say in the notes Haymakertown was served by 
the Fincastle P.O.  and was in the township of Amsterdam between 1869 
and 1901. I don't know how this would print out in a report.
Any comments? 

#9: When I click on a + sign to add the address, the window at the top 
in the blue bar says Birth Address:

Re: [LegacyUG] More basic questions

2008-06-27 Thread Elsie Saar



Jane, in the event screen for census, under the description I might 
write living with her parents at 65 Main St. and in the notes I 
might write The census indicates she is married but her husband is 
not listed at this address for this census or some other information. 
For an event such as Military Service, I might write in the 
description, served in the Civil War and in the notes I might add 
enlisted in 1862 as a private for three months service, discharged in 
1963. Fought at the battles of Gettysburg, 


For a census listing, I list each individual bit of information as an 
event. Just my way. I have an event for residence, education, 
occupation, real estate (I enter whether he owned - mortgaged or 
free - or rented his home), marital status, etc.


My opinion is that my genealogy database is my tool for keeping all my 
facts straight. I use it as I want to use it. I follow the program for 
consistency but then add my own notes. If I find someone in 
WorldConnect and have not proven it, I will probably add their name as 
William (WC) Smith. Same with (IGI).  That way I know I need to do 
more work on this person. If I share my database, the person gets it 
with all the warts as genealogy is never finished.


Hope this helps. Just my humble way of doing things.
Elsie




2.  In the Event screen, I do not understand the distinction between 
description and notes.  For instance, if the event is a census 
listing, the Event is Census, the Description would also be 
Census, and I guess the note would be the information contained in 
the census listing.  Or would the Description be the information 
contained in the census listing?  The Description and the Notes seem 
to me to be redundant.






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Re: [LegacyUG] Question about sourcing books

Margaret,
  Thanks for the tip.  That would be a good place to help on how to
source it.  I was wanting to use the source writer for all of my
souces so I would be somewhat forced to be consistant.  Although, I
know that even the source writer allows for some flexability.

Thanks again for the tip,
Chuck

On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Margaret Couch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Just a tip for citing publications while you are learning what might go
 where - try looking the title up on the internet to see how they are
 catalogued by some libraries or publishers, for example this from Williamson
 County Public Library

 Author: Eades, Charles Joseph.
 Title: Descendants of Michael Arbogast (ca. 1734-1812) [electronic resource]
 / compiled by Charles Joseph Eades, with research assistance from Amanda
 (Arbogast) Forbes.
 Publisher: Franklin, Tenn. : Westbrook Pub., c1995.

 Descript 5 volumes.
 Note Includes index.
 Contents Vol. I - John Arbogast. Vol. II - David Arbogast, Michael Arbogast,
 Peter Arbogast. Vol. III - Mary Arbogast, Dorothy Arbogast, Henry Arbogast,
 George Arbosgast. Vol. IV - Adam Arbogast. Vol. V - Combined index.
 Subject Biography -- Arbogast family.
  Arbogast family.
 Co-author Forbes, Amanda Arbogast.

 --
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[LegacyUG] Error Rebuilding Marriage List (Error 3022)

2008-06-27 Thread Cary

Hello, All.

Is anyone familiar with this error and what I need to do to fix it?

I've come across this error when merging gedcoms into my family file and while 
doing a check/repair.

Thanks in advance.

CR






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Re: [LegacyUG] Citing LONG!! url's

2008-06-27 Thread Kris Strotman

   For Ancestry.com, I use the source given on the Ancestry.com summary page 
(which is just after clicking view record and just before clicking view 
original image).  Below the summary of information is a listing for Source 
Citation and Source Information. For census records I use the source 
citation info for the *source detail* in census events and I use the source 
information for the *master source list*.  I am a lumper and have only one 
master source for each year of the census, e.g. 1930 Federal Census (where I 
put the Source Information data), with the specifics given in the source 
detail for that particular census event (where I put the Source Citation 
data).  I am not using the new source writer; I do not intend to publish my 
research; just want family to know where I found particular information.  This 
avoids the need for a very lengthy url and attendant problems already 
discussed.  I use that same system for any records found on
 Ancestry.
   BTW, I found the description field in Census events to be a great place to 
put the word Federal or Iowa State defining term.  It makes for a nice 
printout on reports.

Kris in Texas




--- On Fri, 6/27/08, Michele Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Michele Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Citing LONG!! url's
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 7:25 AM
 I only cite the short URL (www.ancestry.com).  There are two
 reasons.  For 
 one thing Ancesty (or whoever) could easily reorganize
 their website and 
 then the URL wouldn't work.  If you go to the main
 site, you can find the 
 document because you know the particulars and could easily
 search for the 
 info.
 
 Also, Ancestry and the like are subscription services.  If
 you don't have a 
 subscription you won't be able to access it anyway.
 
 michele 


  



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Re: [LegacyUG] fixing locations in imported file

The videos are GREAT.  (I have the Version 6 videos but I am sure the 
version 7 are just as good)


michele


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Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] fixing locations in imported file



I was speaking of 4000+ people in the data base.  I have started through
the process.  I also decided to order the deluxe version, so I no doubt
will be peppering the list with questions.  Or maybe not, since I also
get a manual and a training disc.  I may never need to ask another
question. (big grin).

Jane


Mary Fowler Leek wrote:

Jane,

Are you referring to 4000 locations or 4000 people with locations?

Just work through the Master location list, and do a few at a time. It
won't take as long as it seems (maybe :-)

On the off chance you don't know this, changing through the master
location list will automatically change the location in every entry
that uses it.

Mary

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mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
*Sent:* Friday, June 27, 2008 8:11 AM
*Subject:* [LegacyUG] fixing locations in imported file

In order to get locations properly stated in my 4000+ file that I
have
imported into Legacy, it appears I must go through and change all
those
for whom I have

(example)   Marshall Co. ALA to

  , Marshall County, Alabama, USA

A daunting task indeed.

Otherwise, I fear I will not be able to use the new Mapping
feature,
even when I find out what it is and how to use it.

Jane Sarles

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RE: [LegacyUG] Error Rebuilding Marriage List (Error 3022)

2008-06-27 Thread Sherry/Support

Cary,

Go to our website at http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp  Solutions by
Error Number, where you'll find a solution to this error message, among
others.

Thanks for using Legacy.

Sherry
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We are changing the world of genealogy!

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cary
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 11:23 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Error Rebuilding Marriage List (Error 3022)

Hello, All.
 
Is anyone familiar with this error and what I need to do to fix it?
 
I've come across this error when merging gedcoms into my family file and
while doing a check/repair.
 
Thanks in advance.
 
CR
 




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Re: [LegacyUG] Very Basic Questions

2008-06-27 Thread JLB


There are 3 different Master Address lists.  Mailing, Event and Repository.
JL
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html

Elizabeth Cunningham wrote:
I have never gotten straight what the address fields were for.  I had 
understood they were for keeping track of members who are alive and to 
be mailed to.  What is the difference between location and address?


  Elizabeth C

Thomas Herson wrote:
The number of pages is high for the intended use of the location 
fields. You have 146 locations where one should suffice for 
Philadelphia.  The street addresses are intended to be put in the 
address fields, not the location fields. But, since most people on 
this list pay no attention whatsoever to the instructions and do as 
they please, there's no harm in your doing what you please :)


- Original Message - From: Elizabeth Cunningham 
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Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Very Basic Questions

I had never actually run a Location Report, so I did, all 66 pages 
of it. There are 146 Philadelphia Locations in it that are street 
addresses.  Is this a high or low number of pages for this report?  
My ancestors seem to have moved around a bit, and this particular 
crowd mostly only arrived in the 1880's or 1890's.   The group that 
has been here longer all lived out in the country.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Question about sourcing books

Jenny,
  Thanks for the suggestion.  That is definatly a work around.  I
don't know how often it would come up but it could happen, so I guess
I thought that Legacy could build that in to the program.  Maybe in an
update. :)
  I thought that it would be best to have both page numbers too, I
just didn't know if there was a best practice.  I might just add the
word pdf page # to my notation to make clear which page it would be.
 My first thought is that I'm sourcing the pdf, not the book, so I
should use the pdf's page number but since the real page numbers
from the book are on the pdf, I was uncertain.

Thanks for your input,
Chuck

On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:15 AM, Jenny M Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Chuck Arbogast wrote

 Charles Joseph Eades and Frances (Yeager) Dunham Ph. D., Descendants of
 Michael Arbogast (ca. 1734-1812), 5 Volumes , IV: 578 (2880); (N.p.: n.p.,
 n.d.).


  What if there are more than two authors?

 I would copy that Endnote/Footnote from the Preview, then switch to the
 Overrides tab and paste that text into the top box, then add and Name of
 Third Author before the first comma.

 Then you'd  need to copy the Subsequent Citation and Bibliography and paste
 into the appropriate boxes.  Don't forget to tick the boxes for Use this
 customised ...

  Each volume is on a separate CD containing one pdf file.  The page number
 is 578 in the pdf file but at the bottom of the text is the page number and
 it has   2880, hence why I put 578 (2880). Is this correct way of doing it?
  Volume III pdf last page in the text says 2304 and the first page in the
 Volume IV pdf text has 2305.  So, each pdf has page numbers in the text that
 don't correspond with the actual page number in the pdf.  My guess is on the
 original hard back volumes the page that I want to source would be 2880, so
 I was a little confused which one to use.  Any help would be appreciated.

 Where an additional number has been added to a document, such as a page
 number which is stamped on in addition to a printed number, I believe it is
 best practice to indicate that by something like page 3 (stamped).  In
 your case, I think it would be a good idea to use both numbers, as you have
 done, but indicate that one is the .pdf page number.  I think I'd enter the
 page number as 2880 (pdf page 578).

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[LegacyUG] Potential problems

One that keeps coming up is Born before parents marriage.  I cannot 
figure out how to exclude this (in Legacy 5).  I know perfectly well 
they were born before parents married, and in one case I am not sure the 
parents ever married.  How can I exclude this from Potential Problems? 
or do I just ignore it every time?


  Elizabeth C



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[LegacyUG] Sourcewriter - INTERVIEWS

When you select the interview option in the Sourcewriter there are only two 
options, audio/visual and transcripts.  What about face to face interviews, 
telephone interviews and email?  How do you enter those?


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Re: [LegacyUG] Question about sourcing books

Dermont,
  I understand what your saying and do agree to a point.  Page 578 is
the page on the pdf, however the pdf's were not split up due to size
constraints.  The actual book, hard back edition, is broken into 5
volumes, so that is why the CD version is in 5 CD's, you could get
them one one CD or they could have combined them into one pdf but they
chose to stick with the format of the hard back book to generate the
pdf's for the CD version.  What is confusing to me is why they didn't
renumber each Volume in the hard back version.  That is what I was
confused about.  I guess the main question is what am I sourcing, the
pdf of the volume of the book or the actual volume of the book.  Based
on the source writer options, I thought soucing the actual item I held
in my possesion was correct thus the CD pdf.  But the pdf is just a
scanned version of the actual pages in the book.  I may have just made
it more confusing but I'm not sure the best way to source it.

Thanks for your input,
Chuck

On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 5:35 AM, Dermot McGlone
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Chuck,

 I just read over my reply to you and it didn't make sense even to me
 (and I wrote it!!), so I'll try it again.

 Regarding the page numbers, I would use the number that is displayed
 on the page itself (i.e., 2880) rather than 578.  In my opinion, 578
 is the pdf-generated number which shows that the particular page is
 the 578th in this portion of the document, but 2880 is the page number
 of the original book.  The fact that the book had to be split over 5
 CDs when transferred to PDF is incidental, and it's page numbering is,
 therefore, incidental also.

 Sorry for the repetition, but hopefully this makes more sense.

 Regards,

 Dermot.

  2008/6/27 Chuck Arbogast [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Mary,
  Thanks for that.  It was a case that I didn't notice the scroll bar
 to go down to enter that info.

 Richard,
  Thanks for your input.

 To all,
  Do you have any answers/opinions on the rest of my questions?

 Thanks,
 Chuck



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Re: [LegacyUG] More basic questions


Heather,

Often, I write several paragraphs that relate to or discuss an event 
(such as emigration, will, etc.)  So that long stretch of text would go 
in Description in that case?


Jane Sarles

Heather Stovold wrote:

1 - If you are using the 4 place level convention, then yes, if you
only know the state you would put in the extra commas..., ,
Indiana, USA.But it is up to you if you are going to do it that
way or not.  Just be consistant.   (btw, I do use the 4 levels like
that)

2. -  It does depend a lot on the event on if there is a big
difference from the Description field or Notes.   For the most part, I
would use the Description field.   For instance, using the Description
field for the Religion event, you get a sentance (shown at the bottom
of the event screen, and in various reports) that says He was
Anglican from 1841 to 1856.   If I put Anglican in the notes the
sentance would say He had a religion from 1841 to 1856. Anglican.
For the Census event, it looks like the description field is for the
name of the census - I don't use it, but just tried filling it in.
With the description blank it says He appeared on the census
in..  If I put in, say Canadian - it says He appeared on the
Canadian census in...

I generally only use the event notes to put in something unusual to
note.For instance, I have someone that was partially listed in a
sentance, and then crossed out and another family member put in the
same line.   So, in the notes of the event, I commented on that.

On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 9:23 PM, Jane Sarles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

Firstly, let me express much gratitude to the very helpful answers that have
appeared from so many of you.  It is really something to have such great
help available.

I am trying to batch my newbie questions so as not to clutter up the list
too badly.

1.  This is the reverse of my first Place question.  If one does not know
the name of the town, or perhaps, even the name of the County, but only the
state, do I understand from the demo tour that is should be put in by using
commas thusly, , Indiana, USA?  Will that serve to make my Master Place
list all in good order?

2.  In the Event screen, I do not understand the distinction between
description and notes.  For instance, if the event is a census listing, the
Event is Census, the Description would also be Census, and I guess the
note would be the information contained in the census listing.  Or would the
Description be the information contained in the census listing?  The
Description and the Notes seem to me to be redundant.

3.  In my practice set, I have Helen Holloway dying in Shelbyville, Shelby
County, Kentucky, USA.  I have put in the place, but wish to add the
hospital.  However, when I click on the plus sign after the place space,
nothing happens - no other screen opens up.  How do I put the address in?

I am saving all the answers to my questions in a folder on my email titled
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[LegacyUG] Married names

I don't really like the statement that appears in reports:   Another 
name for Susie Sample was Susie Smith.  How can one get rid of that 
statement.  It would be OK to say Her married name was Susie Smith.  
but better to be able to choose whether or not to include any statement 
about her married name.  It is usually obvious.


I checked the archives, and the Help section, but did not see this 
dealt with directly.  Perhaps I am overlooking it.


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Re: [LegacyUG] fixing locations in imported file

When did you change from FTM to Legacy and how do you evaluate the their 
respective strengths and weaknesses?


Jeff

Michele Lewis wrote:

When I switched from FTM to Legacy I went through and changed all the
locations (I am right at 4000 in my file).

Long form:  Purvis, Lamar County, Mississippi, USA
Short form:  Purvis, Lamar Co, MS

It took me a while but I am glad I did it.  Everything is uniform
now.  I can opt to use the short form in reports.

michele


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Subject: [LegacyUG] fixing locations in imported file



In order to get locations properly stated in my 4000+ file that I
have imported into Legacy, it appears I must go through and change
all those for whom I have

(example)   Marshall Co. ALA to

 , Marshall County, Alabama, USA

A daunting task indeed.

Otherwise, I fear I will not be able to use the new Mapping
feature, even when I find out what it is and how to use it.

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[LegacyUG] Searching for a word anywhere

The Search tool permits all sorts of complex searching, but is there a way 
to search for a word or phrase in any and ALL fields?


I am looking for where I recall mentioning a certain town which is not found 
as part of the locations list.  I do not know where I used it.  It might 
have been in one of the sources, or a note or detail somewhere.  How could I 
look for globally it in Legacy?


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RE: [LegacyUG] Potential problems


Elizabeth,

If I remember correctly Legacy 5 is the same as Legacy 6. Go to the Individual 
Screen, click Exclude from Potential Probelms and tick the box born before 
parents' marriage (or something very similar).


Ron Ferguson

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 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:37:43 -0500
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 Subject: [LegacyUG] Potential problems
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com

 One that keeps coming up is Born before parents marriage. I cannot
 figure out how to exclude this (in Legacy 5). I know perfectly well
 they were born before parents married, and in one case I am not sure the
 parents ever married. How can I exclude this from Potential Problems?
 or do I just ignore it every time?

 Elizabeth C


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Re: [LegacyUG] Error Rebuilding Marriage List (Error 3022)



Cary wrote

Is anyone familiar with this error and what I need to do to fix it?


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Re: [LegacyUG] More basic questions

2008-06-27 Thread Elizabeth Richardson



You don't necessarily need to put the street address into the location 
field in order to get the precise spot marked on the map. For each event 
with a location there will be a separate marker on the map and you can 
position each one precisely where you want it for that particular event.




So what can you then do with the map?

Elizabeth
researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson)  Thompson




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Re: [LegacyUG] Potential problems

2008-06-27 Thread Joseph




Check you dates.  I've gotten these before and I had inadvertantly 
entered the wrong century.  Such as the parent's birth date is entered 
as 1959 instead of 1859 and the child born at 1875.  and a first glance 
it appears good


Hope this helps you.

Joseph



Elizabeth Cunningham wrote:
One that keeps coming up is Born before parents marriage.  I cannot 
figure out how to exclude this (in Legacy 5).  I know perfectly well 
they were born before parents married, and in one case I am not sure 
the parents ever married.  How can I exclude this from Potential 
Problems? or do I just ignore it every time?


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Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcewriter - INTERVIEWS



Michele Lewis wrote
When you select the interview option in the Sourcewriter there are only 
two options, audio/visual and transcripts.  What about face to face 
interviews, telephone interviews and email?  How do you enter those?


Face-to-face *is* Visual, isn't it?!  And Audio just means over the 
telephone or something.

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Re: [LegacyUG] fixing locations in imported file

2008-06-27 Thread Gary Templeman

And even better that doing two changes is to put in the full string Co. 
ALA or whatever. No need to change Co. and ALA as seperate events. Choosing 
the appropriate search parameters and case sensitivity not only allows for 
fewer passes, but prevents anomalies such as trying to change Ca to 
California and getting Californialifornia.


Gary Templeman

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Using Search and Replace will correct this quickly.

Tell it to search locations and change Co. to County, ALA to Alabama etc.
Easy as pie.

Roberta Wunder


On 6/27/08, Beth Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi Jane,

Which program and version were you using prior to Legacy? Depending on 
the
program it may be easier to resolve the place names in your previous 
program

and then import.

Best,
Beth G.
Auburn, Alabama

Jane Sarles wrote:


In order to get locations properly stated in my 4000+ file that I have
imported into Legacy, it appears I must go through and change all those 
for

whom I have

(example)   Marshall Co. ALA to

 , Marshall County, Alabama, USA

A daunting task indeed.

Otherwise, I fear I will not be able to use the new Mapping feature,
even when I find out what it is and how to use it.

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RE: [LegacyUG] Question about sourcing books

2008-06-27 Thread Kirsten Bowman

Chuck:

A simple solution might be to use both.  In the page field you could use
something like this:  578 (.pdf), 2880 (book).  This is similar to the
recommended format for census citations where there are page numbers both
penned and stamped.

Kirsten

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Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 10:20 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Question about sourcing books


Dermont,
  I understand what your saying and do agree to a point.  Page 578 is
the page on the pdf, however the pdf's were not split up due to size
constraints.  The actual book, hard back edition, is broken into 5
volumes, so that is why the CD version is in 5 CD's, you could get
them one one CD or they could have combined them into one pdf but they
chose to stick with the format of the hard back book to generate the
pdf's for the CD version.  What is confusing to me is why they didn't
renumber each Volume in the hard back version.  That is what I was
confused about.  I guess the main question is what am I sourcing, the
pdf of the volume of the book or the actual volume of the book.  Based
on the source writer options, I thought soucing the actual item I held
in my possesion was correct thus the CD pdf.  But the pdf is just a
scanned version of the actual pages in the book.  I may have just made
it more confusing but I'm not sure the best way to source it.

Thanks for your input,
Chuck

On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 5:35 AM, Dermot McGlone
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Chuck,

 I just read over my reply to you and it didn't make sense even to me
 (and I wrote it!!), so I'll try it again.

 Regarding the page numbers, I would use the number that is displayed
 on the page itself (i.e., 2880) rather than 578.  In my opinion, 578
 is the pdf-generated number which shows that the particular page is
 the 578th in this portion of the document, but 2880 is the page number
 of the original book.  The fact that the book had to be split over 5
 CDs when transferred to PDF is incidental, and it's page numbering is,
 therefore, incidental also.

 Sorry for the repetition, but hopefully this makes more sense.

 Regards,

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Re: [LegacyUG] Dealing with unknown names

2008-06-27 Thread Robert57P via Gmail

That's one advantage of keeping both Legacy 6 and Legacy 7 installed and 
runable (vs letting version 7 overlay version 6).  If you discover an oddity 
like this (one that wouldn't be noticed right away), you can always start up 
both versions and do some comparisons between them to see if it is you or if 
it is the program.

Bob

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  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
  Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 5:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Dealing with unknown names


  Ron, It's in the Descendant Narrative Book Report where the lines no longer 
show or print. I'm talking about lines I've actually typed into the name field 
in Legacy, like this .  not the option we can tick in Legacy to 
include lines for missing info in the reports.

  Ironically, it appears they do show up and print in the Descendant Book 
report? This doesn't make much sense. My favorite report is the Descendant 
Narrative Book report and the one I use all the time.

  Well, double checked to be certain I was using the exact same font and 
discovered one was a different font face. Changing to the identical font face 
used in Descendant Report fixed things. Now I'm getting my typed underline in 
both reports in both report styles. Yea

  Now, if I can just figure out another little oddity in report formatting, 
I'll be good to go.

  Thanks so much for letting me know you weren't able to duplicate. I had 
switched back and forth, trying to figure out if anything was different and had 
convinced myself I was using the same settings everywhere. So happy to have 
this cleared up.

  Mary

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To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 12:53 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Dealing with unknown names



Mary,

In which reports are the lines not showing up? They are OK in mine - I have 
only looked at the Preview though, so is it something that happens on printing 
etc. (You can tell I prefer not to use them!)


Ron Ferguson


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RE: [LegacyUG] Very Basic Questions

2008-06-27 Thread M. Brenzel

That is correct, Thomas.  It does increase the number of locations that the
program needs to keep track of.  But it is a relational database and being
of such design, it can keep track of them quite nicely.  And... you can
attach them to as many events, facts or people that you need to.  I use the
same approach that Ron uses and by putting the address in the location
field, I don't have to click on the '+' every time I want to put the
specific address that someone lived at during the 1910 census or the name of
the church in which my grandparents were married back in 1914.

Mary
 
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Tom,

There is absolutely nothing which says that this *has* to be the case. This
limitation is only suggested because American Geo-locations use that format.
Legacy is international.

I put the full address in the Location Field and only use the Address Fields
for current names and addresses etc.


Ron Ferguson

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Very Basic Questions
 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:59:03 -0400

 The location (including burial) field is intended for city/town/village,
 county, state, country.

 The address field is used to identify more specific locations within a
 location, such as names of cemeteries, hospitals, etc.

 Placing address items within the location field (with or without a comma)
 greatly increases the number of locations that the program has to keep
track
 of.

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 Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 11:43 AM
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Very Basic Questions


 What is the advantage of using the address option rather than just naming
 the cemetery itself in the Burial field?

 Jeff

 Thomas Herson wrote:
 I just don't understand why you would leave out the country and I
 don't understand why you don't just use the address option for the
 specific cemetery (or hospital or other specific location name). The
 program provides for these things. Why not make use of them?

 - Original Message -
 From: Bill 
 To: 
 Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 10:34 AM
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Very Basic Questions


 I do it basicly like you, but I leave the comma out after cemetery;
 Oakwood Memorial Cemetery Chatsworth, Los Angeles, California.
 That leaves all my locations cinsistant with the form in Legacy
 minus USA --- On Wed, 6/25/08, Art Seddon  wrote:

 From: Art Seddon 
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Very Basic Questions
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 10:37 PM
 Hi Jane,

 I have any number of location entries with 5 or more
 fields, such as:
 Oakwood Memorial Cemetery, Chatsworth, Los Angeles,
 California, USA



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Re: [LegacyUG] Error Rebuilding Marriage List (Error 3022)

2008-06-27 Thread Cary


Oh, lol.  I checked the website but must have missed that section.

Thank you and I'm still loving Legacy after all these years!

Cary

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Cary,

Go to our website at http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp  Solutions by
Error Number, where you'll find a solution to this error message, among
others.

Thanks for using Legacy.

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Subject: [LegacyUG] Error Rebuilding Marriage List (Error 3022)

Hello, All.

Is anyone familiar with this error and what I need to do to fix it?

I've come across this error when merging gedcoms into my family file and
while doing a check/repair.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Very Basic Questions

But when I enter residence as an event, the place shows up in the 
Location list.  How else can I show a grandfather who moved every year 
and  had his first 4 children in 4 different towns if I don't use 
residence as an event? 
  
 Elizabeth C
  
JLB wrote:
There are 3 different Master Address lists.  Mailing, Event and 
Repository.

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Elizabeth Cunningham wrote:
I have never gotten straight what the address fields were for.  I had 
understood they were for keeping track of members who are alive and 
to be mailed to.  What is the difference between location and address?


  Elizabeth C

Thomas Herson wrote:
The number of pages is high for the intended use of the location 
fields. You have 146 locations where one should suffice for 
Philadelphia.  The street addresses are intended to be put in the 
address fields, not the location fields. But, since most people on 
this list pay no attention whatsoever to the instructions and do as 
they please, there's no harm in your doing what you please :)


- Original Message - From: Elizabeth Cunningham 
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I had never actually run a Location Report, so I did, all 66 pages 
of it. There are 146 Philadelphia Locations in it that are street 
addresses.  Is this a high or low number of pages for this report?  
My ancestors seem to have moved around a bit, and this particular 
crowd mostly only arrived in the 1880's or 1890's.   The group that 
has been here longer all lived out in the country.


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Re: [LegacyUG] More basic questions



Jane Sarles wrote
Often, I write several paragraphs that relate to or discuss an event 
(such as emigration, will, etc.)  So that long stretch of text would go 
in Description in that case?


I use the Description field to make a basic statement about the Event 
and the Notes field to elaborate if necessary.  If you are writing 
several paragraphs, I think they should definitely go in the Notes.


In the case of Emigration I put the name of the country to which the 
person emigrated in Description and if I had details such as how he 
travelled, why he went etc, these would go in Notes.


For a Will I don't use the Description field at all.  I write a summary 
of the contents of the Will in the Notes field.


If someone features in a newspaper Birth or Death Announcement or 
Obituary or similar, I put the name of the publication in the 
Description field and in the Notes I transcribe the Announcement or 
Obit.


That's just a few examples.  In many cases I don't use the Notes field 
at all and in some cases I don't use the Description.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Searching for a word anywhere

2008-06-27 Thread Dennis M . Kowallek

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:44:27 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

The Search tool permits all sorts of complex searching, but is there a way 
to search for a word or phrase in any and ALL fields?

I am looking for where I recall mentioning a certain town which is not found 
as part of the locations list.  I do not know where I used it.  It might 
have been in one of the sources, or a note or detail somewhere.  How could I 
look for globally it in Legacy?

I don't know about V7, but what you want is not available in V6. The way
to get around this is to export your entire database to a GEDCOM file.
Then open the GEDCOM in any word processor and search for the text you
are looking for.
 
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RE: [LegacyUG] Very Basic Questions


Elizabeth,

That is exactly how I do it, and have been for years, without any problems or 
regrets. I have no intention of changing, and I would suggest that if you are 
happy with the way it works for you, and the outputs you get in your reports 
etc. then carry on as you are.

At the end of the day there is no right nor wrong way there are ways that suit 
some and ways that suit others but it is *always your decision*. 


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 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:21:03 -0500
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Very Basic Questions
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com

 But when I enter residence as an event, the place shows up in the
 Location list. How else can I show a grandfather who moved every year
 and had his first 4 children in 4 different towns if I don't use
 residence as an event?

 Elizabeth C

 JLB wrote:
 There are 3 different Master Address lists. Mailing, Event and
 Repository.
 JL
 JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
 http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html

 Elizabeth Cunningham wrote:
 I have never gotten straight what the address fields were for. I had
 understood they were for keeping track of members who are alive and
 to be mailed to. What is the difference between location and address?

 Elizabeth C

 Thomas Herson wrote:
 The number of pages is high for the intended use of the location
 fields. You have 146 locations where one should suffice for
 Philadelphia. The street addresses are intended to be put in the
 address fields, not the location fields. But, since most people on
 this list pay no attention whatsoever to the instructions and do as
 they please, there's no harm in your doing what you please :)

 - Original Message - From: Elizabeth Cunningham
 
 To: 
 Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 8:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Very Basic Questions

 I had never actually run a Location Report, so I did, all 66 pages
 of it. There are 146 Philadelphia Locations in it that are street
 addresses. Is this a high or low number of pages for this report?
 My ancestors seem to have moved around a bit, and this particular
 crowd mostly only arrived in the 1880's or 1890's. The group that
 has been here longer all lived out in the country.

 Elizabeth C


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Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcewriter - INTERVIEWS

2008-06-27 Thread Elizabeth Richardson

No, first of all, the option is audio/video (not visual), which means 
recorded. I would think the information gleaned from a face to face meeting 
would be something more like Personal Knowledge of the individual 
providing the information. I think Geoff said they would be adding 
templates, perhaps this is an area they will be addressing. Since I haven't 
seen EE, it's also possible Ms Mills didn't address the possibility that 
research might include discussing the subject with actual people and she 
doesn't have a format for this situation. And, if I may insert here, just 
because the Source Writer is available, doesn't mean you're stuck using it. 
Perhaps there are just some sources which don't fit it well, and you could 
simply use the old format to record your information.


Elizabeth
researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson

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Michele Lewis wrote
When you select the interview option in the Sourcewriter there are only 
two options, audio/visual and transcripts.  What about face to face 
interviews, telephone interviews and email?  How do you enter those?


Face-to-face *is* Visual, isn't it?!  And Audio just means over the 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Question about sourcing books

Kirsten,
  Thanks for the recomendation.  I will probably end up doing
something like what you describe.
Chuck

On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 4:58 PM, Kirsten Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Chuck:

 A simple solution might be to use both.  In the page field you could use
 something like this:  578 (.pdf), 2880 (book).  This is similar to the
 recommended format for census citations where there are page numbers both
 penned and stamped.

 Kirsten

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 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Question about sourcing books


 Dermont,
  I understand what your saying and do agree to a point.  Page 578 is
 the page on the pdf, however the pdf's were not split up due to size
 constraints.  The actual book, hard back edition, is broken into 5
 volumes, so that is why the CD version is in 5 CD's, you could get
 them one one CD or they could have combined them into one pdf but they
 chose to stick with the format of the hard back book to generate the
 pdf's for the CD version.  What is confusing to me is why they didn't
 renumber each Volume in the hard back version.  That is what I was
 confused about.  I guess the main question is what am I sourcing, the
 pdf of the volume of the book or the actual volume of the book.  Based
 on the source writer options, I thought soucing the actual item I held
 in my possesion was correct thus the CD pdf.  But the pdf is just a
 scanned version of the actual pages in the book.  I may have just made
 it more confusing but I'm not sure the best way to source it.

 Thanks for your input,
 Chuck

 On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 5:35 AM, Dermot McGlone
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Chuck,

 I just read over my reply to you and it didn't make sense even to me
 (and I wrote it!!), so I'll try it again.

 Regarding the page numbers, I would use the number that is displayed
 on the page itself (i.e., 2880) rather than 578.  In my opinion, 578
 is the pdf-generated number which shows that the particular page is
 the 578th in this portion of the document, but 2880 is the page number
 of the original book.  The fact that the book had to be split over 5
 CDs when transferred to PDF is incidental, and it's page numbering is,
 therefore, incidental also.

 Sorry for the repetition, but hopefully this makes more sense.

 Regards,

 Dermot.






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[LegacyUG] Finding Locations with GeoCodes - V.6.2

2008-06-27 Thread Gene Wheeler

I would like to find all of my locations that have had geocodes 
added.  I don't want Legacy 7 to export them when I finally 
upgrade.  Can anyone help with this?  I can't find a means to 
search on this.  Thanks.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Error Rebuilding Marriage List (Error 3022)

2008-06-27 Thread Cary

My question was already answered, officer.  



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Cary wrote

Is anyone familiar with this error and what I need to do to fix it?


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Re: [LegacyUG] Potential problems


Thanks

  Elizabeth C

ronald ferguson wrote:

Elizabeth,

If I remember correctly Legacy 5 is the same as Legacy 6. Go to the Individual Screen, click 
Exclude from Potential Probelms and tick the box born before parents' 
marriage (or something very similar).


Ron Ferguson

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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:37:43 -0500
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Subject: [LegacyUG] Potential problems
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com

One that keeps coming up is Born before parents marriage. I cannot
figure out how to exclude this (in Legacy 5). I know perfectly well
they were born before parents married, and in one case I am not sure the
parents ever married. How can I exclude this from Potential Problems?
or do I just ignore it every time?

Elizabeth C




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Re: [LegacyUG] Searching for a word anywhere

Thank you for replying and for your suggestion. Actually since asking I 
found another round-about way to do it.


I've had on my PC a search tool called Agent Ransack. Besides being 
speedier than Windows own search tool, it has several advantages including 
the ability to search for text anywhere.  So I made it search in the Legacy 
file for the name of the town I needed and it of course found the text and 
showed me the places in the Legacy file where it was located - which of 
course allowed me to then find it within Legacy. So all is well, but thanks 
fot the gedcom suggestion.  That would certainly be another way to do it.


Jeff

Dennis M. Kowallek wrote:

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:44:27 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


The Search tool permits all sorts of complex searching, but is there
a way to search for a word or phrase in any and ALL fields?

I am looking for where I recall mentioning a certain town which is
not found as part of the locations list.  I do not know where I used
it.  It might have been in one of the sources, or a note or detail
somewhere.  How could I look for globally it in Legacy?


I don't know about V7, but what you want is not available in V6. The
way
to get around this is to export your entire database to a GEDCOM file.
Then open the GEDCOM in any word processor and search for the text you
are looking for. 






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[LegacyUG] Mapping feature and geocode