[LegacyUG] Locations in England
I have a copy of a 1901 England census from Ancestry.com and the location is: Administrative County: Lancaster Civil Parish of Chatburn Ecclesiastical Parish of Christ Church Chatburn. How would I list this in the Location field of Legacy in keeping with the recommendation for 4 fields (city; county; state or province; country)? Also, would the country be England or United Kingdom? I tried a couple of options but when I clicked on the Geo Location List button, it didn't seem to find it. Thanks, Brian The information contained in this message is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, dissemination or copying of this information is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and delete the message from your system. Thank you. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations in England
Brian Beddor wrote: I have a copy of a 1901 England census from Ancestry.com and the location is: Administrative County: Lancaster Civil Parish of Chatburn Ecclesiastical Parish of Christ Church Chatburn. How would I list this in the Location field of Legacy in keeping with the recommendation for 4 fields (city; county; state or province; country)? Also, would the country be England or United Kingdom? I tried a couple of options but when I clicked on the Geo Location List button, it didn't seem to find it. Thanks, Brian Brian, As has been said many times on this list the *American* 4 field system is for America (and it doesn't always apply there so I am told). It may apply in your case, I'll look in a minute, but even if it happens to it will not for many, many locations in the UK. And on to my hobby horse :-) The UK is the United Kingdom of Great Broitain and Northerm Ireland, comprising the *countries* of England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales; it is a Kingdom not a country, and over here we do not have states. So the answer to this part of your question is that the country is England *not England GB and *not* England UK. The next tier is the county, in this case the Aministrative County of Lancaster, which for our current purposes is actually called Lancashire - yeh, I know, it's in our blood to complicate things :-). When looking at parishes it is normal for us to look at the civil parish rather than the ecclesiastical as the latter may just be the name of a church. In this case they are the same, but that is happenchance. So, The full location is: Chatburn, Lancashire, England. Like I said - forget 4 fields, it doesn't apply, and to make it so would be incorrect. Incidentally the 4 field system doesn't work for most of Europe either. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations in England
Brian Beddor wrote: I have a copy of a 1901 England census from Ancestry.com and the location is: Administrative County: Lancaster Civil Parish of Chatburn Ecclesiastical Parish of Christ Church Chatburn. How would I list this in the Location field of Legacy in keeping with the recommendation for 4 fields (city; county; state or province; country)? Also, would the country be England or United Kingdom? I tried a couple of options but when I clicked on the Geo Location List button, it didn't seem to find it. This is where Ron Ferguson and I would denigrate the use of the Geo Location Database to assist in forming the Location. If you used it, you would be presented with 3 options a) Chatburn,, Lancashire, England b) Chatburn, Lancashire, England, Great Britain c) Chatburn, Lancashire, England, United Kingdom There are many semantic reasons why options b) and c) are meaningless, some of which have been mentioned here at various times. Mainly, the United Kingdom and Great Britain are *not* countries per se. They are political units. You could almost say they were akin to NAFTA! Option a) is the least offensive - but still wrong, since England doesn't, and never has had, States or Provinces, and a County in England is something totally different to a County in a State in America. I suppose the nearest unit of English local government to an American County, would be an District or Local Council. So, you're really left with this (always supposing that you're aware that Lancaster is an old name for Lancashire as well as being the name of a town in its' own right) Chatburn, Lancashire, England This system then allows for large towns that have several parishes in them and small towns and villages that perhaps only have one. You just put the parish name in front of the town E.g. Christ Church, Chatburn, Lancaster, England The confusion comes from trying to impose a standard for naming places that can not fit with the conventions used in England, Scotland and Wales. Ireland too! But that's a separate matter. Oh for the day when we English can pick which labels *we* want to assign to each of the 9 possible elements of a Location! And do away with these futile attempts at the Americanisation of the home country. -- Best regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations in England
As you know, Legacy is optimized for four part locations. But you can enter more than that if you want. GEO just will not find it. You could enter something like (and I am exaggerating): Brownsville, Apple Parish, Northern Earth, Countryside, England, Earth If you want to. That is six parts. Will GEO find that? Not by a long shot, but it works. Some people use a location like this: Palestine Cemetery, Paducah, McCracken County, Kentucky, USA Yes it works, but it won't sort properly with the other locations, so I alter that a little bit. Instead I use: Palestine Cemetery, McCracken County, Kentucky, USA And that is also four parts. This is personal preferance, but to me anyway, Great Britain includes England, Ireland, Scotland. By avoiding Great Britain and using either England, Ireland, or Scotland instead, you pretty much narrow down the area. I *try* to avoid using Great Britain for that reason. But it comes down to this: What do *you* prefer? Decide and use that. You didn't ask but for that census you provided, I would use (Again this is personal preferance): Ecclesiastical Parish of Christ Church Chatburn, Civil Parish of Chatburn, Lancaster, England. But that is entirely up to you. Does this help? Robert At 2009-10-18 09:04 AM, you wrote: I have a copy of a 1901 England census from Ancestry.com and the location is: Administrative County: Lancaster Civil Parish of Chatburn Ecclesiastical Parish of Christ Church Chatburn. How would I list this in the Location field of Legacy in keeping with the recommendation for 4 fields (city; county; state or province; country)? Also, would the country be England or United Kingdom? I tried a couple of options but when I clicked on the Geo Location List button, it didn't seem to find it. Thanks, Brian Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Locations in England
Another Brian on the list? OhmyGod! Brian in CA -Original Message- From: Brian Beddor [mailto:bbed...@japsolson.com] Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:05 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Locations in England I have a copy of a 1901 England census from Ancestry.com and the location is: Administrative County: Lancaster Civil Parish of Chatburn Ecclesiastical Parish of Christ Church Chatburn. How would I list this in the Location field of Legacy in keeping with the recommendation for 4 fields (city; county; state or province; country)? Also, would the country be England or United Kingdom? I tried a couple of options but when I clicked on the Geo Location List button, it didn't seem to find it. Thanks, Brian Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations in England
Robert, Great Britain does *not* include Ireland neither Northern Ireland nor the Repulic of Ireland, and never has. Great Britain comprises only England, Scotland and Wales. Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom, but the Republic has not been since 1921/22. Great Britain should not be confused with the British Isles which includes all 5, (and more) and is nor never has been a country, but simply a geographical area. If you wish to accurately name our locations then I suggest that a study be made of http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~jimella/counties.htm As you know, we are old and established countries, and have therefore a long history of development during which there have been many changes in names dating back to pre Roman times (AD50 - AD410), whilst these may prove to be somewhat confusing to non-Brits. they have a long history. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ Robert Carneal USA wrote: As you know, Legacy is optimized for four part locations. But you can enter more than that if you want. GEO just will not find it. You could enter something like (and I am exaggerating): Brownsville, Apple Parish, Northern Earth, Countryside, England, Earth If you want to. That is six parts. Will GEO find that? Not by a long shot, but it works. Some people use a location like this: Palestine Cemetery, Paducah, McCracken County, Kentucky, USA Yes it works, but it won't sort properly with the other locations, so I alter that a little bit. Instead I use: Palestine Cemetery, McCracken County, Kentucky, USA And that is also four parts. This is personal preferance, but to me anyway, Great Britain includes England, Ireland, Scotland. By avoiding Great Britain and using either England, Ireland, or Scotland instead, you pretty much narrow down the area. I *try* to avoid using Great Britain for that reason. But it comes down to this: What do *you* prefer? Decide and use that. You didn't ask but for that census you provided, I would use (Again this is personal preferance): Ecclesiastical Parish of Christ Church Chatburn, Civil Parish of Chatburn, Lancaster, England. But that is entirely up to you. Does this help? Robert At 2009-10-18 09:04 AM, you wrote: I have a copy of a 1901 England census from Ancestry.com and the location is: Administrative County: Lancaster Civil Parish of Chatburn Ecclesiastical Parish of Christ Church Chatburn. How would I list this in the Location field of Legacy in keeping with the recommendation for 4 fields (city; county; state or province; country)? Also, would the country be England or United Kingdom? I tried a couple of options but when I clicked on the Geo Location List button, it didn't seem to find it. Thanks, Brian Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Locations in England
Many thanks to Ron for explaining this concept of the UK as it is much misunderstood by a majority of Americans. And has Ron has noted, American made software does not easily accommodate European or other world areas traditions for geographic and political subdivision descriptions. I'm sure there is UK made software that does not easily accommodate American naming patterns. In any event, Legacy is flexible enough to allow the user to adopt their own patterns. Maybe one day there'll be an add-on package for different world-wide locations that would rename all these default fields for geographic and political subdivisions, similar to a language package. Brian in CA (a different Brian than the original message) -Original Message- Brian, As has been said many times on this list the *American* 4 field system is for America (and it doesn't always apply there so I am told). It may apply in your case, I'll look in a minute, but even if it happens to it will not for many, many locations in the UK. And on to my hobby horse :-) The UK is the United Kingdom of Great Broitain and Northerm Ireland, comprising the *countries* of England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales; it is a Kingdom not a country, and over here we do not have states. So the answer to this part of your question is that the country is England *not England GB and *not* England UK. The next tier is the county, in this case the Aministrative County of Lancaster, which for our current purposes is actually called Lancashire - yeh, I know, it's in our blood to complicate things :-). When looking at parishes it is normal for us to look at the civil parish rather than the ecclesiastical as the latter may just be the name of a church. In this case they are the same, but that is happenchance. So, The full location is: Chatburn, Lancashire, England. Like I said - forget 4 fields, it doesn't apply, and to make it so would be incorrect. Incidentally the 4 field system doesn't work for most of Europe either. Ron Ferguson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations in England
Ron Ferguson wrote When looking at parishes it is normal for us to look at the civil parish rather than the ecclesiastical as the latter may just be the name of a church. In this case they are the same, but that is happenchance. So, The full location is: Chatburn, Lancashire, England. Like I said - forget 4 fields, it doesn't apply, and to make it so would be incorrect. Incidentally the 4 field system doesn't work for most of Europe either. Then, of course, there is the additional complication that the Civil Parish of the Census doesn't necessarily tie in with any other named area or the Civil Parish of the Census might include streets which are not normally considered to be part that named area, and the Civil Parish boundaries and names can change from one Census to the next! On top of that, you have some instances where only a Civil Parish is given, and some where there is additionally a town or city. So, as Ron says, forget the concept of one size fits all and as a popular quiz show host used to say, say what you see. Personally, I don't always use the Civil Parish as part of the Location for a Census Event, although I do always use it, with the County, in the Source Citation. For example, in at least one English Census there is a Civil Parish of Oxton and Claughton. Because I was born and bred in that area I know which streets were in which area, so I might put Barnard Road, Oxton, Birkenhead, Cheshire, England in the Location field (note I always include the street address in the Location!) but Oxton and Claughton, Cheshire in the Source Citation. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Locations in England
Hi Ron, Thanks for sharing the difference between a country and a kingdom -- something that I should know. I understand that the American system has 4 fields and that others might not. My impression was that in order to use the Geo Location that one was still suppose to use 4 fields but have a bank followed by a comma when there were only 3 fields. I'm just trying to figure out how to use the Geo Locator for places in England and don't seem to be able to get it to work. Appreciating your advice, Brian (the 3rd? Brian) -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Ron Ferguson Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 9:40 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations in England Brian Beddor wrote: I have a copy of a 1901 England census from Ancestry.com and the location is: Administrative County: Lancaster Civil Parish of Chatburn Ecclesiastical Parish of Christ Church Chatburn. How would I list this in the Location field of Legacy in keeping with the recommendation for 4 fields (city; county; state or province; country)? Also, would the country be England or United Kingdom? I tried a couple of options but when I clicked on the Geo Location List button, it didn't seem to find it. Thanks, Brian Brian, As has been said many times on this list the *American* 4 field system is for America (and it doesn't always apply there so I am told). It may apply in your case, I'll look in a minute, but even if it happens to it will not for many, many locations in the UK. And on to my hobby horse :-) The UK is the United Kingdom of Great Broitain and Northerm Ireland, comprising the *countries* of England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales; it is a Kingdom not a country, and over here we do not have states. So the answer to this part of your question is that the country is England *not England GB and *not* England UK. The next tier is the county, in this case the Aministrative County of Lancaster, which for our current purposes is actually called Lancashire - yeh, I know, it's in our blood to complicate things :-). When looking at parishes it is normal for us to look at the civil parish rather than the ecclesiastical as the latter may just be the name of a church. In this case they are the same, but that is happenchance. So, The full location is: Chatburn, Lancashire, England. Like I said - forget 4 fields, it doesn't apply, and to make it so would be incorrect. Incidentally the 4 field system doesn't work for most of Europe either. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp The information contained in this message is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, dissemination or copying of this information is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and delete the message from your system. Thank you. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Locations in England
Hi Mike, Well son-of-a-gun I must have had a typo! I had tried the a) before and the Geo Locator didn't find anything. But this time it did! And it the bottom left corner appeared a button labeled See also and when I clicked that it gave me all 3 of the options you listed. Must have been operator error (Brian error)! I think I'll use the a) format. Appreciating the help, Brian (the 3rd? Brian) -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Mike Fry Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 9:59 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations in England Brian Beddor wrote: I have a copy of a 1901 England census from Ancestry.com and the location is: Administrative County: Lancaster Civil Parish of Chatburn Ecclesiastical Parish of Christ Church Chatburn. How would I list this in the Location field of Legacy in keeping with the recommendation for 4 fields (city; county; state or province; country)? Also, would the country be England or United Kingdom? I tried a couple of options but when I clicked on the Geo Location List button, it didn't seem to find it. This is where Ron Ferguson and I would denigrate the use of the Geo Location Database to assist in forming the Location. If you used it, you would be presented with 3 options a) Chatburn,, Lancashire, England b) Chatburn, Lancashire, England, Great Britain c) Chatburn, Lancashire, England, United Kingdom There are many semantic reasons why options b) and c) are meaningless, some of which have been mentioned here at various times. Mainly, the United Kingdom and Great Britain are *not* countries per se. They are political units. You could almost say they were akin to NAFTA! Option a) is the least offensive - but still wrong, since England doesn't, and never has had, States or Provinces, and a County in England is something totally different to a County in a State in America. I suppose the nearest unit of English local government to an American County, would be an District or Local Council. So, you're really left with this (always supposing that you're aware that Lancaster is an old name for Lancashire as well as being the name of a town in its' own right) Chatburn, Lancashire, England This system then allows for large towns that have several parishes in them and small towns and villages that perhaps only have one. You just put the parish name in front of the town E.g. Christ Church, Chatburn, Lancaster, England The confusion comes from trying to impose a standard for naming places that can not fit with the conventions used in England, Scotland and Wales. Ireland too! But that's a separate matter. Oh for the day when we English can pick which labels *we* want to assign to each of the 9 possible elements of a Location! And do away with these futile attempts at the Americanisation of the home country. -- Best regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp The information contained in this message is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, dissemination or copying of this information is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and delete the message from your system. Thank you. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Locations in England
Hi Robert, I was aware that I could put just about anything that I wanted into the location field -- but as you say, GEO wouldn't always find it. I was trying to enter it in a way that GEO would find it and that I could, at some point, map it. I've now properly entered it and GEO found it. I should also go back and re-read the difference between Core and Core + locations in GEO -- that confuses me as well. Thanks for the input and help, Brian (the 3rd? Brian) -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Robert Carneal USA Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 10:10 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations in England As you know, Legacy is optimized for four part locations. But you can enter more than that if you want. GEO just will not find it. You could enter something like (and I am exaggerating): Brownsville, Apple Parish, Northern Earth, Countryside, England, Earth If you want to. That is six parts. Will GEO find that? Not by a long shot, but it works. Some people use a location like this: Palestine Cemetery, Paducah, McCracken County, Kentucky, USA Yes it works, but it won't sort properly with the other locations, so I alter that a little bit. Instead I use: Palestine Cemetery, McCracken County, Kentucky, USA And that is also four parts. This is personal preferance, but to me anyway, Great Britain includes England, Ireland, Scotland. By avoiding Great Britain and using either England, Ireland, or Scotland instead, you pretty much narrow down the area. I *try* to avoid using Great Britain for that reason. But it comes down to this: What do *you* prefer? Decide and use that. You didn't ask but for that census you provided, I would use (Again this is personal preferance): Ecclesiastical Parish of Christ Church Chatburn, Civil Parish of Chatburn, Lancaster, England. But that is entirely up to you. Does this help? Robert At 2009-10-18 09:04 AM, you wrote: I have a copy of a 1901 England census from Ancestry.com and the location is: Administrative County: Lancaster Civil Parish of Chatburn Ecclesiastical Parish of Christ Church Chatburn. How would I list this in the Location field of Legacy in keeping with the recommendation for 4 fields (city; county; state or province; country)? Also, would the country be England or United Kingdom? I tried a couple of options but when I clicked on the Geo Location List button, it didn't seem to find it. Thanks, Brian Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp The information contained in this message is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, dissemination or copying of this information is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and delete the message from your system. Thank you. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations in England
Brian Beddor wrote I'm just trying to figure out how to use the Geo Locator for places in England and don't seem to be able to get it to work. I use the GL occasionally and if it doesn't produce the output I want (ie, if it includes extra commas) I just select the radio button for Master, and delete the extra comma(s). -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations in England
It doesn't work terribly well for England because it doesn't have too many places in it. Main towns are there, but villages in general are not. If you have lots of ancestors living with a few miles and want to distinguish their locations, it is not very helpful. If you are happy with Nottingham for instance, it is all right.John 2009/10/18 Brian Beddor bbed...@japsolson.com Hi Ron, Thanks for sharing the difference between a country and a kingdom -- something that I should know. I understand that the American system has 4 fields and that others might not. My impression was that in order to use the Geo Location that one was still suppose to use 4 fields but have a bank followed by a comma when there were only 3 fields. I'm just trying to figure out how to use the Geo Locator for places in England and don't seem to be able to get it to work. Appreciating your advice, Brian (the 3rd? Brian) -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Ron Ferguson Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 9:40 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations in England Brian Beddor wrote: I have a copy of a 1901 England census from Ancestry.com and the location is: Administrative County: Lancaster Civil Parish of Chatburn Ecclesiastical Parish of Christ Church Chatburn. How would I list this in the Location field of Legacy in keeping with the recommendation for 4 fields (city; county; state or province; country)? Also, would the country be England or United Kingdom? I tried a couple of options but when I clicked on the Geo Location List button, it didn't seem to find it. Thanks, Brian Brian, As has been said many times on this list the *American* 4 field system is for America (and it doesn't always apply there so I am told). It may apply in your case, I'll look in a minute, but even if it happens to it will not for many, many locations in the UK. And on to my hobby horse :-) The UK is the United Kingdom of Great Broitain and Northerm Ireland, comprising the *countries* of England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales; it is a Kingdom not a country, and over here we do not have states. So the answer to this part of your question is that the country is England *not England GB and *not* England UK. The next tier is the county, in this case the Aministrative County of Lancaster, which for our current purposes is actually called Lancashire - yeh, I know, it's in our blood to complicate things :-). When looking at parishes it is normal for us to look at the civil parish rather than the ecclesiastical as the latter may just be the name of a church. In this case they are the same, but that is happenchance. So, The full location is: Chatburn, Lancashire, England. Like I said - forget 4 fields, it doesn't apply, and to make it so would be incorrect. Incidentally the 4 field system doesn't work for most of Europe either. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp The information contained in this message is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, dissemination or copying of this information is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and delete the message from your system. Thank you. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations in England
At first I was real OCD about trying to make every location have 4 parts. I got over it. All of my Germany locations have 3 :) :) michele - Original Message - From: Brian Beddor bbed...@japsolson.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 5:26 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Locations in England Hi Ron, Thanks for sharing the difference between a country and a kingdom -- something that I should know. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations in England
As a person who has locations in all six sets of GEO, I have found that what I do is find the location in whatever 'format' the GEO wants, copy and paste the Lon and Lat, then change the loation to the way I WANT it. It is only a tool. I also use the 'what it was called then' for historical places, some places having - Original Message From: Michele Lewis cranberryf...@charter.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 4:12:19 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations in England At first I was real OCD about trying to make every location have 4 parts. I got over it. All of my Germany locations have 3 :) :) michele - Original Message - From: Brian Beddor bbed...@japsolson.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 5:26 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Locations in England Hi Ron, Thanks for sharing the difference between a country and a kingdom -- something that I should know. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations in England
Thanks, Ron. You just saved me looking like an idiot on the B-G Forum. I was just getting ready to ask this same question. A nice addition to Legacy might be a change to the master list page. When you edit a location a template pops up. Enter the country and the proper fields then pop up to fill in. Kind of like the source templates. Maybe somebody should suggest it. (I've already made too many suggestions they don't like... grin) Jim On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Ron Ferguson rnldfe...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Brian Beddor wrote: I have a copy of a 1901 England census from Ancestry.com and the location is: Administrative County: Lancaster Civil Parish of Chatburn Ecclesiastical Parish of Christ Church Chatburn. How would I list this in the Location field of Legacy in keeping with the recommendation for 4 fields (city; county; state or province; country)? Also, would the country be England or United Kingdom? I tried a couple of options but when I clicked on the Geo Location List button, it didn't seem to find it. Thanks, Brian Brian, As has been said many times on this list the *American* 4 field system is for America (and it doesn't always apply there so I am told). It may apply in your case, I'll look in a minute, but even if it happens to it will not for many, many locations in the UK. And on to my hobby horse :-) The UK is the United Kingdom of Great Broitain and Northerm Ireland, comprising the *countries* of England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales; it is a Kingdom not a country, and over here we do not have states. So the answer to this part of your question is that the country is England *not England GB and *not* England UK. The next tier is the county, in this case the Aministrative County of Lancaster, which for our current purposes is actually called Lancashire - yeh, I know, it's in our blood to complicate things :-). When looking at parishes it is normal for us to look at the civil parish rather than the ecclesiastical as the latter may just be the name of a church. In this case they are the same, but that is happenchance. So, The full location is: Chatburn, Lancashire, England. Like I said - forget 4 fields, it doesn't apply, and to make it so would be incorrect. Incidentally the 4 field system doesn't work for most of Europe either. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations and County names before formation
Interesting thread. I am curious about a detail trying to list the name of a place within a timeframe, though. (Without starting a discussion on whether states who seceded from the U.S. were or were not still a part of the U.S.A, please!!) Would you simply put C.S.A. after South Carolina when an even happened in 1863? Or would you spell out Confederate States of America ? (assuming that some readers of your data might not automatically understand what the initials mean) Just came home from the NEAGS swap meet in Gadsden, Alabama. Heard a lot of compliments on Legacy while I was there! Penny Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations and County names before formation
Penny, I use country names in my database only when entering data for distant cousins who migrated to Canada or who just happened to die in the Phillipines, as all my people were otherwise in what became the US long before it became the US (my most recent immigrant arrived about 1760). So once in Virginia, always in Virginia, regardless of whether it was Virginia in 1743, 1862, or 1910. This is consistent with standard genealogy writing practices in the US: if you are writing about a US family, you include city or township (if known/relevant), county, state but you don't include USA. If I were dealing with more recent immigrant families, and corresponding frequently with cousins in other countries, I might add the country, particularly if I needed to distinguish between, say, Georgia the state in the US and Georgia the country. Trying to put on a non-Americo-centric hat here, my guess is I would probably use a similar system if I were dealing with a family who never left, say, Canada or England. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Locations and County names before formation
HI Gene, Thanks! Brian -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Gene Young Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:40 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations and County names before formation Brian Beddor wrote: Hi Gene, Just curious -- do you know if when using the Mapping feature, whether it will find and map it OK if the location listed is Ninety-Six District, South Carolina, USA? Or would one have to put in a current location for VitualEarth to properly find it? You would have to use the current names. -- Gene Y. n2kvs Researching Young, Zies, Harer Cox with Legacy Family Tree http://h1.ripway.com/egptech/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp The information contained in this message is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, dissemination or copying of this information is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and delete the message from your system. Thank you. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations and County names before formation
You can still use the historical location name and locate manually by clicking the right mouse button. -- Richard Van Wasshnova http://www.gencircles.com/users/vanwasshnova http://gw.geneanet.org/vanwasshnova -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Gene Young Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:40 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations and County names before formation Brian Beddor wrote: Hi Gene, Just curious -- do you know if when using the Mapping feature, whether it will find and map it OK if the location listed is Ninety-Six District, South Carolina, USA? Or would one have to put in a current location for VitualEarth to properly find it? You would have to use the current names. -- Gene Y. n2kvs Researching Young, Zies, Harer Cox with Legacy Family Tree http://h1.ripway.com/egptech/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations and County names before formation
As I use United States in my long location, I might use Confederate States for the long, but in the short names, I usually only use the smallest by itself. At present, the only situation I have, other than township doubles, is family members moving from Plymouth, England, to Plymouth, Massachusetts; and I know to recheck the reports. Rich in LA CA --- On Sat, 4/11/09, Penny Hayes pe...@povertyhill.us wrote: From: Penny Hayes pe...@povertyhill.us Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations and County names before formation To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 12:58 AM Interesting thread. I am curious about a detail trying to list the name of a place within a timeframe, though. (Without starting a discussion on whether states who seceded from the U.S. were or were not still a part of the U.S.A, please!!) Would you simply put C.S.A. after South Carolina when an even happened in 1863? Or would you spell out Confederate States of America ? (assuming that some readers of your data might not automatically understand what the initials mean) Just came home from the NEAGS swap meet in Gadsden, Alabama. Heard a lot of compliments on Legacy while I was there! Penny Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Locations and County names before formation
I'd like to have suggestions for how to record location counties for older records when the county wasn't formed yet. Examples: 1) John Smith is born in an area that is now Newberry County, SC, however, he was born pre-1785, and at that time Newberry County did not exist. His area was called the Ninety-Six District in South Carolina. 2) Susan Smith is born in the Fayette County area of Texas in 1830. Texas was not even a state then. I have been recording the locations as if the current counties and states existed at the time. What are suggestions for being more accurate in the location field? Sometimes I just add a note in the research notes. Thanks, Kathleen Norris
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations and County names before formation
vonkate tds.net wrote: I'd like to have suggestions for how to record location counties for older records when the county wasn't formed yet. Examples: 1) John Smith is born in an area that is now Newberry County, SC, however, he was born pre-1785, and at that time Newberry County did not exist. His area was called the Ninety-Six District in South Carolina. He was born in Ninety-Six District, South Carolina, USA and in the notes indicate. This area is now part of Newberry County, S.C. 2) Susan Smith is born in the Fayette County area of Texas in 1830. Texas was not even a state then. As above, using the designation of the area at the time of the event, with an explanation in the notes. -- Gene Y. n2kvs Researching Young, Zies, Harer Cox with Legacy Family Tree http://h1.ripway.com/egptech/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations and County names before formation
I'd use separate location names ... Bryan, Brazos, TX, USA ... for current references ... Bryan (BF), Brazos, TX, USA ... Before Formation ... for historical references ... These sort together ... have the proper county and state ... you can put what you like in the short location name ... I've posted on this subject regarding addresses in cities ... check the archives ... I like my method ... it works well for me ... not everyone agrees. Regards Bob vonkate tds.net wrote: I'd like to have suggestions for how to record location counties for older records when the county wasn't formed yet. Examples: 1) John Smith is born in an area that is now Newberry County, SC, however, he was born pre-1785, and at that time Newberry County did not exist. His area was called the Ninety-Six District in South Carolina. 2) Susan Smith is born in the Fayette County area of Texas in 1830. Texas was not even a state then. I have been recording the locations as if the current counties and states existed at the time. What are suggestions for being more accurate in the location field? Sometimes I just add a note in the research notes. Thanks, Kathleen Norris Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Locations and County names before formation
Hi Gene, Just curious -- do you know if when using the Mapping feature, whether it will find and map it OK if the location listed is Ninety-Six District, South Carolina, USA? Or would one have to put in a current location for VitualEarth to properly find it? Thanks, Brian -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Gene Young Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 3:47 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations and County names before formation vonkate tds.net wrote: I'd like to have suggestions for how to record location counties for older records when the county wasn't formed yet. Examples: 1) John Smith is born in an area that is now Newberry County, SC, however, he was born pre-1785, and at that time Newberry County did not exist. His area was called the Ninety-Six District in South Carolina. He was born in Ninety-Six District, South Carolina, USA and in the notes indicate. This area is now part of Newberry County, S.C. 2) Susan Smith is born in the Fayette County area of Texas in 1830. Texas was not even a state then. As above, using the designation of the area at the time of the event, with an explanation in the notes. -- Gene Y. n2kvs Researching Young, Zies, Harer Cox with Legacy Family Tree http://h1.ripway.com/egptech/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp The information contained in this message is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, dissemination or copying of this information is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and delete the message from your system. Thank you. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations and County names before formation
Brian Beddor wrote: Hi Gene, Just curious -- do you know if when using the Mapping feature, whether it will find and map it OK if the location listed is Ninety-Six District, South Carolina, USA? Or would one have to put in a current location for VitualEarth to properly find it? You would have to use the current names. -- Gene Y. n2kvs Researching Young, Zies, Harer Cox with Legacy Family Tree http://h1.ripway.com/egptech/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations and County names before formation
The map uses latitude and longitude, so if you have those, it does not matter what you call the location, the map will find it. Carolyn - Original Message - From: Gene Youngmailto:n2...@cfl.rr.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.commailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations and County names before formation Brian Beddor wrote: Hi Gene, Just curious -- do you know if when using the Mapping feature, whether it will find and map it OK if the location listed is Ninety-Six District, South Carolina, USA? Or would one have to put in a current location for VitualEarth to properly find it? You would have to use the current names. -- Gene Y. n2kvs Researching Young, Zies, Harer Cox with Legacy Family Tree http://h1.ripway.com/egptech/http://h1.ripway.com/egptech/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations and County names before formation
Kathleen, The generally accepted standard is to record locations as they were at the time the event occurred. You can add a note indicating where the location is currently. This is important in order to locate additional relevant records. In many cases, the records will still be in the old place, not the new place. For example, I have an ancestor who was living in what is now Henry Co., Iowa as early as 1835. Relevant records for that time period are in Des Moines Co., not Henry Co. (and may be in Michigan and/or Wisconsin, not Iowa). Connie Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations and County names before formation
I make extensive use of Wikipedia for clarifying place names for certain times. Before I upset anyone, let me make it clear that, yes, I understand that Wikipedia can be edited by anyone with an account. My English professor maintains that Wikipedia cannot be considered a reliable source. But articles that are well-sourced CAN be reliably used as a jump-off point for further clarification and research. To tie this to Legacy, I will find out the location as it was known at the time of the event, e.g. Haines Township, Northumberland County, Pennsylvania. I note any identifying information in the Add/Edit Location screen, Haines Township is now located in Centre County, PA. I have a separate listing for the location as it is known today, Haines Township, Centre County, Pennsylvania. I make sure to check Do not auto geo-code, and when I locate the coordinates myself, I check Verified. It's what works for me! Roxanne Baird Chattanooga, TN, USA --- On Fri, 4/10/09, vonkate tds.net vonk...@tds.net wrote: From: vonkate tds.net vonk...@tds.net Subject: [LegacyUG] Locations and County names before formation To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 4:30 PM I'd like to have suggestions for how to record location counties for older records when the county wasn't formed yet. Examples: 1) John Smith is born in an area that is now Newberry County, SC, however, he was born pre-1785, and at that time Newberry County did not exist. His area was called the Ninety-Six District in South Carolina. 2) Susan Smith is born in the Fayette County area of Texas in 1830. Texas was not even a state then. I have been recording the locations as if the current counties and states existed at the time. What are suggestions for being more accurate in the location field? Sometimes I just add a note in the research notes. Thanks, Kathleen Norris Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Locations - when a village becomes a city
Steve, Thank you for your response. I will continue on my current path. I started on this long trek almost 30 years ago (with many breaks in the action). I always had the locations as they are in present day but once I ran the county verifier, I found the errors in that line of thinking. So I am now in the process of fixing all of my locations, adding as you suggested, notes giving the historical changes. Not an easy task but I'm making progress. I've got 3 centuries of events in Detroit which started as a French fort, then became part of British North America, Northwest Territory, Indiana Territory and Michigan Territory before the State of Michigan was formed. Imagine straightening all of those events out! Mary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Voght Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 3:43 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations - when a village becomes a city This is a classic issue of accuracy versus clarity, and there are people on this group that fall on both sides of the divide, so you'll probably get a few different opinions on this question. My own take is that genealogy is an attempt to record events and facts in their contemporary setting (variant spellings and all), and not to second-guess details or bring them into the present, so to speak. Thus, your proposed solution of using several location names makes the most sense to me, with the added suggestion that you use the location notes field (accessible via the Master Location List) to provide some of the historical detail that you've mentioned here about Tonawanda and North Tonawanda. The downside to this solution is that it can be difficult to locate old records based on the location, because although a person might have died in Wheatfield in 1865, you'll need to know that the records are now located in the City of North Tonawanda. Thus you will need to be careful about adding notes with such details regarding the current setting of locations that no longer exist or have changed names (and don't even get me started on the added complication of there also being a Town of Tonawanda!) The converse argument suggests that you stick with modern names for events regardless of the time when they occurred, which can make things somewhat easier to read through (thus it reads that the person lived in NT for their entire life, versus jumping around to various location names which at first glance can make it seem like they moved, even though it was merely the civil boundaries that moved.) Taking this route can lead to complications down the road when someone realizes that there was no such location as North Tonawanda in 1855, and questions the accuracy of your data. Best of luck, Steve On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 5:29 PM, M. Brenzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess that the List Posting Error Notification was true for me. I somehow was unsubscribed from the list. I have received no messages for days. I sent this message to the list on Saturday and when I didn't get it back, I realized that I hadn't received messages in awhile. --- Just wondering whether others have encountered something like this and if so, how they've handled it - The city in which I live became a city in 1897. Prior to that, it was a village. Would you list it once without the title of village or city, add it to all events and facts that occurred there regardless of when in its history and add location notes giving the dates in which the transition took place? Prior to being a village, it was part of a neighboring town. This occurred when it split from other wards of another village. And to further complicate things, the 3 other wards were in a different county across the Erie Canal! Here are the details - 1854 - Village of Tonawanda formed with 3 wards in Erie County (which later became City of Tonawanda) and 1 ward in Niagara County 1857 - ward in Niagara County split from village and became part of Town of Wheatfield 1865 - Village of North Tonawanda formed 1897 - City of North Tonawanda established I was thinking of having the following locations: Tonawanda, Erie County, New York, USA (for all events that occurred in the 3 wards of the village and in the future City of Tonawanda) Tonawanda, Niagara County, New York, USA (for those events in the 1 ward of the village between 1854 and 1857) Wheatfield, Niagara County, New York, USA (for those events between 1857 and 1865) North Tonawanda, Niagara County, New York, USA (for everything since 1865) Does this make sense? Thanks! Mary *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations - For Marie
WHat I am hearing, may be that some of you may not know that each report has a place to choose to use short locations within themselves. To cover all bases, you need to find the choice in every report, then, not change back. This is in addition to having the choice to use no small or small in general 'everywhere'. Rich in LA CA --- On Thu, 9/11/08, Kirsten Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Kirsten Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LegacyUG] Locations - For Marie To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 10:43 PM Marie: If I'm understanding the situation, I think that it's an either/or thing. You can choose one or the other to show in a report but the selection doesn't carry over to other report types. Hopefully someone will correct me if I'm wrong about this but that's the way it appears to work, and that also seems to correspond with Help. I don't see an option for first time, etc. and can't explain why you would have different results in your Publishing Center Descendant Book Report unless it might be the way the location was originally entered. This probably isn't much help, but I think the software is operating the way it's supposed to. Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marie Connelly Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 3:33 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Reports Aren't Just Fine-Kirsten Kirsten: I think I may be misunderstanding how the location show up in reports. I thought that in any report the first time the program used the long form, e.g. Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts then if you put in a short form such as Boston, Massachusetts when you originally entered the location the program would use that for the rest of the report. -Publishing Center Descendant Book Report sometimes uses the long form and sometimes uses the short form. -A regular Descendant Book Report uses long form not short. -A regular Descendant Narrative uses the short form. Marie --- On Thu, 9/11/08, Kirsten Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Kirsten Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Reports Aren't Just Fine-Kirsten To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 5:30 PM Marie: I haven't ever tried that option, but I can have a look tonight. Which report specifically are you referring to? Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marie Connelly Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 12:22 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Reports Aren't Just Fine-Kirsten Kirsten, Have you also found that even if you've set it up so short location names should be used after the first time that you always get the long location name? Marie Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Locations - For Marie
Marie: If I'm understanding the situation, I think that it's an either/or thing. You can choose one or the other to show in a report but the selection doesn't carry over to other report types. Hopefully someone will correct me if I'm wrong about this but that's the way it appears to work, and that also seems to correspond with Help. I don't see an option for first time, etc. and can't explain why you would have different results in your Publishing Center Descendant Book Report unless it might be the way the location was originally entered. This probably isn't much help, but I think the software is operating the way it's supposed to. Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marie Connelly Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 3:33 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Reports Aren't Just Fine-Kirsten Kirsten: I think I may be misunderstanding how the location show up in reports. I thought that in any report the first time the program used the long form, e.g. Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts then if you put in a short form such as Boston, Massachusetts when you originally entered the location the program would use that for the rest of the report. -Publishing Center Descendant Book Report sometimes uses the long form and sometimes uses the short form. -A regular Descendant Book Report uses long form not short. -A regular Descendant Narrative uses the short form. Marie --- On Thu, 9/11/08, Kirsten Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Kirsten Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Reports Aren't Just Fine-Kirsten To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 5:30 PM Marie: I haven't ever tried that option, but I can have a look tonight. Which report specifically are you referring to? Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marie Connelly Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 12:22 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Reports Aren't Just Fine-Kirsten Kirsten, Have you also found that even if you've set it up so short location names should be used after the first time that you always get the long location name? Marie Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations Order Input
Go to Master Location List. Then on the bottom pick Sort. There are the nine fields. In the discussions about the field naming, we refer to a different system, because I tws what it was called years ago in other programs. ySo to translate what I was writing. Loc1 = City Loc2 = County Loc3 = State Loc4 = Country Loc5 = Smaller than city Loc 6-9 = Even smaller places? This is definitely USA based system. Rich in LA CA --- Robert57P via Gmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can you tell if you are using LOC4 or LOC3 or LOC-whatever? Is that by doing a GEDCOM export? Or opening a copy of the legacy database in Access? or ?? Bob - Original Message - From: Mary Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations Order Input On 6/29/08, John Magyari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I go to the Master Location and try to do sort it appears it wants LOC4 to be Country LOC3 to be State LOC2 to be County LOC1 to be City Actually, in reverse sort those are LOC9, 8, 7, and 6. In other words, you could have 5 more smaller locations. Mary Young Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations Order Input
IMHO, I have decided that any discernible location is similar to a town. A good example is Buckingham Palace, since its permanent employees/residents constitute a town size population, and it keeps track of BMD on its own, and some castles have multiple church records in the various chapels. In the USA, there are some cemeteries with over 1 burials, so the same 'size' criterion is met. The disinctions are becoming hazier instead of clearing up. I always close this discussion with the reccomendation to, which ever you use, a 3,4, or 5 field, to be consistant. Rich in LA CA --- David Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 29 Jun 2008 at 21:17, RICHARD SCHULTHIES LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com wrote: The present setup is to reccommend to enter the country in loc4, state in loc3, county in loc2 and city in loc1. Those who have bascally European locations, put the country in loc3, the province/county in loc2, and city in loc1. There are no ROCK HARD rules at this time. The most important thing is to be consistent in your own DB. Choose one of the two above, and you should have o problems. I have just been tidying these up - mostly British locations but used country in Loc4 had trouble deciding what to put for loc3 sometimes. However, mostly I have been putting 4=country,3=county,2=city,1=address including house number. Which leads me to the question - is there any rule/convention about what constitutes a Location what constitutes an Address? These days with high resolution aerial photography once can get down to individual houses quite often. Seems locations are more general then addresses as far as Legacy is concerned? But will addresses show up in the maps? Dave Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations Order Input
How can you tell if you are using LOC4 or LOC3 or LOC-whatever? Is that by doing a GEDCOM export? Or opening a copy of the legacy database in Access? or ?? Bob - Original Message - From: Mary Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations Order Input On 6/29/08, John Magyari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I go to the Master Location and try to do sort it appears it wants LOC4 to be Country LOC3 to be State LOC2 to be County LOC1 to be City Actually, in reverse sort those are LOC9, 8, 7, and 6. In other words, you could have 5 more smaller locations. Mary Young Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Locations Order Input
Legacy 7 Deluxe I noticed that one can set nine fields for locations I'd like to be able to set Loc1, Loc2, Loc3, Loc4, Loc5, Loc6, Loc7, Loc8, Loc9 with Country, State, County, City, Street, Address#, Apt#, Room, Bed # 1) How would I set the above parameters in the proper order?? A) Country, State, County, City, Street, Address#, Apt#, Room, Bed # or B ) Bed #, Room, Apt#, Address#, Street, City , County, State, Country or C) Some other logically way and then based on known info input subsets of above. When I go to the Master Location and try to do sort it appears it wants LOC4 to be Country LOC3 to be State LOC2 to be County LOC1 to be City I want it so I can use all nine fields if known and then to be able to using MAPPING 2) Can I specify for mapping use all locations except Apt#, Room, Bed of what is know? jdm Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Locations Order Input
You cause it to show in the reverse order by using the Sort button and selecting to read right to left and then click the check box next to the Sort button. Reports to the list have already indicated that using street number and street, number will work with VE. Without trying the other three I have no idea whether they would hinder the mapping - my instinct says probably yes. I doubt if anybody else knows either so you will have to try it to find out. The accurate answer to point (2) is No. Ron Ferguson _ New Blog: Free Contacts Database for use with Open Office http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 13:58:13 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Locations Order Input Legacy 7 Deluxe I noticed that one can set nine fields for locations I'd like to be able to set Loc1, Loc2, Loc3, Loc4, Loc5, Loc6, Loc7, Loc8, Loc9 with Country, State, County, City, Street, Address#, Apt#, Room, Bed # 1) How would I set the above parameters in the proper order?? A) Country, State, County, City, Street, Address#, Apt#, Room, Bed # or B ) Bed #, Room, Apt#, Address#, Street, City , County, State, Country or C) Some other logically way and then based on known info input subsets of above. When I go to the Master Location and try to do sort it appears it wants LOC4 to be Country LOC3 to be State LOC2 to be County LOC1 to be City I want it so I can use all nine fields if known and then to be able to using MAPPING 2) Can I specify for mapping use all locations except Apt#, Room, Bed of what is know? jdm _ Great deals on almost anything at eBay.co.uk. Search, bid, find and win on eBay today! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl001004ukm/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations Order Input
On 29 Jun 2008 John Magyari wrote: I noticed that one can set nine fields for locations I'd like to be able to set Loc1, Loc2, Loc3, Loc4, Loc5, Loc6, Loc7, Loc8, Loc9 with Country, State, County, City, Street, Address#, Apt#, Room, Bed # 1) How would I set the above parameters in the proper order?? Click on Sort then set Direction of Sort to be Right to Left. Doing this disables the Pre-defined USA sorts and permits locations and addresses to function just fine with Visual Earth. It also sorts all locations/addresses together correctly no matter how many parts they have. The only disadvantage -- if it is one -- is that users who don't want to include the country in their locations will find them sorting incorrectly. Cheers, -- Dave -- David Naylor, Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada. --- Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations Order Input
On 6/29/08, John Magyari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I go to the Master Location and try to do sort it appears it wants LOC4 to be Country LOC3 to be State LOC2 to be County LOC1 to be City Actually, in reverse sort those are LOC9, 8, 7, and 6. In other words, you could have 5 more smaller locations. Mary Young Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations Order Input
The present setup is to reccommend to enter the country in loc4, state in loc3, county in loc2 and city in loc1. Those who have bascally European locations, put the country in loc3, the province/county in loc2, and city in loc1. There are no ROCK HARD rules at this time. The most important thing is to be consistent in your own DB. Choose one of the two above, and you should have o problems. Rich in LA CA --- John Magyari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Legacy 7 Deluxe I noticed that one can set nine fields for locations I'd like to be able to set Loc1, Loc2, Loc3, Loc4, Loc5, Loc6, Loc7, Loc8, Loc9 with Country, State, County, City, Street, Address#, Apt#, Room, Bed # 1) How would I set the above parameters in the proper order?? A) Country, State, County, City, Street, Address#, Apt#, Room, Bed # or B ) Bed #, Room, Apt#, Address#, Street, City , County, State, Country or C) Some other logically way and then based on known info input subsets of above. When I go to the Master Location and try to do sort it appears it wants LOC4 to be Country LOC3 to be State LOC2 to be County LOC1 to be City I want it so I can use all nine fields if known and then to be able to using MAPPING 2) Can I specify for mapping use all locations except Apt#, Room, Bed of what is know? jdm Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations Order Input
On 29 Jun 2008 at 21:17, RICHARD SCHULTHIES LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com wrote: The present setup is to reccommend to enter the country in loc4, state in loc3, county in loc2 and city in loc1. Those who have bascally European locations, put the country in loc3, the province/county in loc2, and city in loc1. There are no ROCK HARD rules at this time. The most important thing is to be consistent in your own DB. Choose one of the two above, and you should have o problems. I have just been tidying these up - mostly British locations but used country in Loc4 had trouble deciding what to put for loc3 sometimes. However, mostly I have been putting 4=country,3=county,2=city,1=address including house number. Which leads me to the question - is there any rule/convention about what constitutes a Location what constitutes an Address? These days with high resolution aerial photography once can get down to individual houses quite often. Seems locations are more general then addresses as far as Legacy is concerned? But will addresses show up in the maps? Dave Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations
Gene - Looks great, will try it out. Thanks. The only flaw I've encountered is when a county was formed out of two or more parent counties. Since I don't know a town, I propose to add both county's to that position in the location. e.g., Yancey county, NC was formed from Buncombe and Burke Counties, so my location will become ',Buncombe or Burke, North Carolina, USA'. This of course requires that the 'USA County Verification' feature be turned off to allow the program to accept this entry. If I later decide to run the County verification, by turning this feature back on, I would have to understand that the dual (or more) county's in the errors would have to be ignored in the resultant report. Not a complete solution, but it will force me to research both county records for the original data should the need arise to do so. Thanks again, Bob GeoSci [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gene GREAT SITE!! Thanks Keith On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Gene Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems as though each time I review a section of the videos, I wind up having to correct hundreds of records to bring my files into some semblance of standardization. I just ran the 'USA County Verification' and have 27 pages of discrepancies!! The bulk of them have to do with USA county's that were not in existence at the time the event data was used - some of this data from well-recognized genealogist's research. I know that Geoff indicates that an 'animap' program is available for about $80 that would provide this information, but this is beginning to become a 'Barbie' package. :-) - you know where there is no end of stuff to buy for her. I even went to the US Geological Service (USGS) but their data is so convoluted and condensedthat it is almost unuseable for my purposes. I know I could go to the next higher level in the 'location' format but that removes some good information. i.e., instead of ',Unicoi, Tennessee, USA', I could go with ',,Tennessee, USA', but I would like to pinpoint the location at the time of the event. Right now, I am changing county's that I know about, but are there any alternative suggestions out there? Bob Go to http://www.familyhistory101.com/map_county.html It will show the progression of county formations so you can see what county a town was in during a particular time frame. It is free. -- Gene Y. n2kvs Researching Young, Zies, Harer Cox with Legacy Family Tree http://h1.ripway.com/egptech/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- Surnames: McKain, Horn, Riale, Ulrich, Erisman, Leiphart, Reed and Henry Website: http://home.comcast.net/~geosci64 EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] McCain-McKane-O'Kane DNA Group 1 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations
I guess I'm just plain old fashioned. LOL When Legacy informs me I've erred on original location county names, I refer to my old stand-bys: The Red Book or Everton's Handy Guide for Genealogists. Both have U.S. county formation dates and parent-counties. I thought everybody had at least one copy of one of these on their bookshelves, but I guess the computer-age has changed that. Go figure! ;) Penny Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Locations addresses - some problems in following standard procedures
Dear Legacy Users: I recently got the CDs including training videos for Leg7. Yesterday I watched the one that includes directions for locations/places. I hadn't been doing them right at all. So I started with my Master Location List. I'm sorry to write such a long letter with so many questions but they're all so inter-related, I couldn't see a good way to break it up. These are some problems I encountered right off the bat: #1: I hadn't been following the four fields consistently: Town, county, state, country. For one thing in Virginia, since the 1929 constitution, if you live in a 1st-class city you do NOT live in a county -- e.g., Roanoke City is not in Roanoke County, they are totally separate jurisdictions. So in those cases there are only 3 fields. So I think in that case I just need to enter them as follows: , City of Roanoke, VA, USA. Salem, Roanoke County, VA, USA (which violates the rule to omit the word county when you specify a town). Agree? #2: In the past, I haven't been entering the country at all since all my ancestral lines came to this country before the Revolution and I have very little info on the families while they were still in the Germanies, British isles -- and nobody came from anywhere else. Since we are supposed to enter location names as they WERE at the time, this creates a whole bunch of problems for me. Obviously I can't enter USA as a country until 1776 or so. And I don't know how to find the official names of the communities, provinces, etc., in the Germanies/Holland. For the ones who came from the British isles, I either don't even know where they were born or again don't know how to find the proper terminology. I think the Brits all came in the 1600s. Is there any way to add USA at one fell swoop to all locations with a post-1776 date? #3: For European locations, can one add a comma where one would ordinarily put a country/nation-- i.e., in the last field? #4: When I am going to change a location in the Master Location List and I click to show a list of everyone who will be affected by the change, how do I print the list? I don't see a way to do that except to take a screenshot and print that out. (To explain why I need this E.g., I have had some entries that read Haymakertown, Fincastle PO, Amsterdam Twp., Botetourt Co., VA. This info from mid-19th century census returns. SO-O-O if I'm to put the address under the + sign I can make the change in the Master Location List to the recommended standard, I'll change the MLL entry to Amsterdam, Botetourt, VA, USA. BUT then I have to edit each individual to add street address if given, Haymakertown, Fincastle PO as the address. HOWEVER, if the entry is for the marriage field or an event field there isn't a + SIGN to enter the address under!! So in that case do you add it in the note field for the event? #5: Another problem -- if I have already made the change from the MLL, i find it difficult to know which events I should add the specific address to. Any suggestions? #6: An additional problem, I can go from the list of affected individuals to their main info screens, but I do not see a way to get into their marriage info from the affected individuals list -- am I right about this? #7: Why isn't there a + SIGN for EVERY location? #8: An additional problem. Virginia didn't HAVE townships before 1869 or after 1900. They were instituted during Reconstruction when carpetbaggers and scalawags wrote the state constitution and tried to remake Virginia in the image of New England. So before 1869 and after 1900 I need to enter the location info as Haymakertown, Botetourt, VA, USA. Haymakertown is ca 6.5 miles from Fincastle, the county seat, and about the same distance from the VILLAGE of Amsterdam, which is different from Amsterdam Twp., which covered about 1/3 Botetourt County. To me it's important to distinguish among the three, especially because culturally the three were very different. Fincastle was settled by English and Scots-Irish, often slaveholders, whereas the village of Amsterdam was settled by Pennsylvanians of German and Dutch (from Holland) ancestry, mostly plain people -- primarily pacifist Dunkards/Tunkers who opposed slaveholding -- the two cultures were very different and to this day there is very little intermarriage between the two groups. Haymakertown is a country/farming hamlet not strongly identified with either group (to my mind at least). It seems to me the best way to handle this is to list all of the locations, regardless of time period as Haymakertown, Botetourt, VA, USA and then under the + sign say in the notes Haymakertown was served by the Fincastle P.O. and was in the township of Amsterdam between 1869 and 1901. I don't know how this would print out in a report. Any comments? #9: When I click on a + sign to add the address, the window at the top in the blue bar says Birth Address:
[LegacyUG] Locations
Seems as though each time I review a section of the videos, I wind up having to correct hundreds of records to bring my files into some semblance of standardization. I just ran the 'USA County Verification' and have 27 pages of discrepancies!! The bulk of them have to do with USA county's that were not in existence at the time the event data was used - some of this data from well-recognized genealogist's research. I know that Geoff indicates that an 'animap' program is available for about $80 that would provide this information, but this is beginning to become a 'Barbie' package. :-) - you know where there is no end of stuff to buy for her. I even went to the US Geological Service (USGS) but their data is so convoluted and condensedthat it is almost unuseable for my purposes. I know I could go to the next higher level in the 'location' format but that removes some good information. i.e., instead of ',Unicoi, Tennessee, USA', I could go with ',,Tennessee, USA', but I would like to pinpoint the location at the time of the event. Right now, I am changing county's that I know about, but are there any alternative suggestions out there? Bob Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems as though each time I review a section of the videos, I wind up having to correct hundreds of records to bring my files into some semblance of standardization. I just ran the 'USA County Verification' and have 27 pages of discrepancies!! The bulk of them have to do with USA county's that were not in existence at the time the event data was used - some of this data from well-recognized genealogist's research. I know that Geoff indicates that an 'animap' program is available for about $80 that would provide this information, but this is beginning to become a 'Barbie' package. :-) - you know where there is no end of stuff to buy for her. I even went to the US Geological Service (USGS) but their data is so convoluted and condensedthat it is almost unuseable for my purposes. I know I could go to the next higher level in the 'location' format but that removes some good information. i.e., instead of ',Unicoi, Tennessee, USA', I could go with ',,Tennessee, USA', but I would like to pinpoint the location at the time of the event. Right now, I am changing county's that I know about, but are there any alternative suggestions out there? Bob Go to http://www.familyhistory101.com/map_county.html It will show the progression of county formations so you can see what county a town was in during a particular time frame. It is free. -- Gene Y. n2kvs Researching Young, Zies, Harer Cox with Legacy Family Tree http://h1.ripway.com/egptech/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Bob: If you're working with a number of early lines, Animap is worth every penny. Otherwise, I've found that sometimes USGenWeb county sites may have the answers on boundary changes and sometimes even Wikipedia can help. If you have some that are particularly troublesome, write to me off-list with the location and date and I'll do a few lookups. Kirsten [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 12:22 PM To: Legacy Subject: [LegacyUG] Locations Seems as though each time I review a section of the videos, I wind up having to correct hundreds of records to bring my files into some semblance of standardization. I just ran the 'USA County Verification' and have 27 pages of discrepancies!! The bulk of them have to do with USA county's that were not in existence at the time the event data was used - some of this data from well-recognized genealogist's research. I know that Geoff indicates that an 'animap' program is available for about $80 that would provide this information, but this is beginning to become a 'Barbie' package. :-) - you know where there is no end of stuff to buy for her. I even went to the US Geological Service (USGS) but their data is so convoluted and condensedthat it is almost unuseable for my purposes. I know I could go to the next higher level in the 'location' format but that removes some good information. i.e., instead of ',Unicoi, Tennessee, USA', I could go with ',,Tennessee, USA', but I would like to pinpoint the location at the time of the event. Right now, I am changing county's that I know about, but are there any alternative suggestions out there? Bob Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Gene GREAT SITE!! Thanks Keith On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Gene Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems as though each time I review a section of the videos, I wind up having to correct hundreds of records to bring my files into some semblance of standardization. I just ran the 'USA County Verification' and have 27 pages of discrepancies!! The bulk of them have to do with USA county's that were not in existence at the time the event data was used - some of this data from well-recognized genealogist's research. I know that Geoff indicates that an 'animap' program is available for about $80 that would provide this information, but this is beginning to become a 'Barbie' package. :-) - you know where there is no end of stuff to buy for her. I even went to the US Geological Service (USGS) but their data is so convoluted and condensedthat it is almost unuseable for my purposes. I know I could go to the next higher level in the 'location' format but that removes some good information. i.e., instead of ',Unicoi, Tennessee, USA', I could go with ',,Tennessee, USA', but I would like to pinpoint the location at the time of the event. Right now, I am changing county's that I know about, but are there any alternative suggestions out there? Bob Go to http://www.familyhistory101.com/map_county.html It will show the progression of county formations so you can see what county a town was in during a particular time frame. It is free. -- Gene Y. n2kvs Researching Young, Zies, Harer Cox with Legacy Family Tree http://h1.ripway.com/egptech/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- Surnames: McKain, Horn, Riale, Ulrich, Erisman, Leiphart, Reed and Henry Website: http://home.comcast.net/~geosci64 EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] McCain-McKane-O'Kane DNA Group 1 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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I don't know about alternatives. I bought Animap in 1999 and upgrades when needed. IMHO, you cannot do USA locations, using the name at date of document, without a lot of extra busy work. I have also used the data from there to enhance my Chronology Timelines. Rich in LA CA --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems as though each time I review a section of the videos, I wind up having to correct hundreds of records to bring my files into some semblance of standardization. I just ran the 'USA County Verification' and have 27 pages of discrepancies!! The bulk of them have to do with USA county's that were not in existence at the time the event data was used - some of this data from well-recognized genealogist's research. I know that Geoff indicates that an 'animap' program is available for about $80 that would provide this information, but this is beginning to become a 'Barbie' package. :-) - you know where there is no end of stuff to buy for her. I even went to the US Geological Service (USGS) but their data is so convoluted and condensedthat it is almost unuseable for my purposes. I know I could go to the next higher level in the 'location' format but that removes some good information. i.e., instead of ',Unicoi, Tennessee, USA', I could go with ',,Tennessee, USA', but I would like to pinpoint the location at the time of the event. Right now, I am changing county's that I know about, but are there any alternative suggestions out there? Bob Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Since the Locations are basically city, county, state, country' (at least for the USA) how do users treat a burial location that is on a family farm? Lots of my earlier ancestors were buried on the family farm or in a family plot, e.g., 'Booth family Cemetery, Washington, Tennessee, USA'. This isn't a recognized location in the geo locations, and just putting in the ',Washington, Tennessee, USA' doesn't really locate it. Should I just put a note with directions in for each individual? Bob Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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wrote Since the Locations are basically city, county, state, country' (at least for the USA) how do users treat a burial location that is on a family farm? Lots of my earlier ancestors were buried on the family farm or in a family plot, e.g., 'Booth family Cemetery, Washington, Tennessee, USA'. This isn't a recognized location in the geo locations, and just putting in the ',Washington, Tennessee, USA' doesn't really locate it. Should I just put a note with directions in for each individual? Granted I am not in the USA, but I wouldn't treat this case any differently to any other burial. I'd put the Town, County and Country in the Location field and the street address (in your case, Booth Family Cemetery) in the Address field. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Hi group, Just a lurker here who has gained a lot of information on how to best utilize Legacy. In fact, at work I tell people to go to the web site and check it instead of buying another program- I Work for a large retail store that provides software etc. However, being a totally nut case with family history/genealogy- I must point customers to the best program - in the long Run they will be happy and return to buy a computer from me J I found out that I had entered places incorrect- now I enter them City,County,State, Country- Here is my questions: 1. How should I enter State and Country prior to the United States being formed? 2. How should I enter those family members from another Country IE I have ancestors from Norway- They were located on Hanes Farm, Solumn Parish, Telemark, Norway- is this the correct way to enter it? How should I enter those from England? I am trying to clean up my data base prior to receiving the download instructions for my upgrade from V. 6 to V. 7- BTW if you all love Virtual Earth from Microsoft- check out Google maps- some of the large cities in the US have been photographed- enter the address street city and state- it will Take you to the house and you can actually view it- so if you are lucky and your ancestor's home is still there, you can see it- it gives you an idea of the house that they lived in Thanks for your help Shelly Crosby Illinois Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Shelly: You're on the right track with your locations. As you've discovered, the city-county-state-country format doesn't necessarily work outside the US. The farm name is very important for Norwegian locations so I would stick with what you have. Others on the list are much more qualified to speak to English locations. I think you just need to recognize that you may have different formats for different countries and try to be consistent from country to country. For early American locations you first need to decide on a cutoff date. I use 4 Jul 1776 because it's so recognizable but it's probably historically incorrect. (Simply declaring independence didn't make it a fact.) Nevertheless, for US locations prior to 1776 or whatever date, you can use city, county, and province. You'll have to decide whether you want to use the placeholder commas or not. I think the most convenient way to find official names of provinces is Wikipedia but be aware that even these changed over time. An alternate that some use is to put British North America or BNA in the country position, although this is really not a country name. The abbreviation can be confusing, and the full term gets tedious to read in reports while I think that most readers would recognize where Massachusetts Bay Colony was without the BNA designation (although our Australian friends may disagree). Just some things to think about. Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michelle Crosby Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 8:58 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Locations Hi group, Just a lurker here who has gained a lot of information on how to best utilize Legacy. In fact, at work I tell people to go to the web site and check it instead of buying another program- I Work for a large retail store that provides software etc. However, being a totally nut case with family history/genealogy- I must point customers to the best program - in the long Run they will be happy and return to buy a computer from me J I found out that I had entered places incorrect- now I enter them City,County,State, Country- Here is my questions: 1. How should I enter State and Country prior to the United States being formed? 2. How should I enter those family members from another Country IE I have ancestors from Norway- They were located on Hanes Farm, Solumn Parish, Telemark, Norway- is this the correct way to enter it? How should I enter those from England? I am trying to clean up my data base prior to receiving the download instructions for my upgrade from V. 6 to V. 7- BTW if you all love Virtual Earth from Microsoft- check out Google maps- some of the large cities in the US have been photographed- enter the address street city and state- it will Take you to the house and you can actually view it- so if you are lucky and your ancestor's home is still there, you can see it- it gives you an idea of the house that they lived in Thanks for your help Shelly Crosby Illinois Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Shelly I cannot advise on USA locations but on non American locations I would recommend that you forget all about the standard four fields, switch off the geo-verifier and only use it if you cannot find a place. Then enter the location as it should be eg. for the UK (we do not use this btw - only England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales): House, Hamlet/Village, Parish/District, Town/City, County, Country ie. 2 Park Street, Winton, Eccles, Salford, Lancashire, England You could, of course, put the house elswhere but do note that within Eccles there is more than one Park Street, each being in one of the old villages/hamlets. Ron Ferguson _ New Blog: Free Contacts Database for use with Open Office http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Locations Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 22:57:31 -0500 Hi group, Just a lurker here who has gained a lot of information on how to best utilize Legacy. In fact, at work I tell people to go to the web site and check it instead of buying another program- I Work for a large retail store that provides software etc… However, being a totally “nut” case with family history/genealogy- I must point customers to the best program – in the long Run they will be happy and return to buy a computer from me J I found out that I had entered places incorrect- now I enter them City,County,State, Country- Here is my questions: 1. How should I enter State and Country prior to the United States being formed? 2. How should I enter those family members from another Country IE I have ancestors from Norway- They were located on Hanes Farm, Solumn Parish, Telemark, Norway- is this the correct way to enter it? How should I enter those from England? I am trying to clean up my data base prior to receiving the download instructions for my upgrade from V. 6 to V. 7- BTW if you all love Virtual Earth from Microsoft- check out Google maps- some of the large cities in the US have been photographed- enter the address street city and state- it will Take you to the house and you can actually view it- so if you are lucky and your ancestor’s home is still there, you can see it- it gives you an idea of the house that they lived in Thanks for your help Shelly Crosby Illinois _ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl001002ukm/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Shelly, Re: 2 Park Street, Winton, Eccles, Salford, Lancashire, England On reflection, for the address I gave I should have added: Previously: 2 Park Street, Winton, Eccles, Lancashire, England Previously, 2 Park Street, Winton, Barton upon Irwell, Lancashire, England (at this time Winton was a hamlet in the parish of Barton upon Irwell) Note also that commas for missing USA style entries are not used at all - since it won't work properly in the geo-locator why bother (and for me they look horrible) Ron Ferguson _ New Blog: Free Contacts Database for use with Open Office http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Locations Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 09:51:48 +0100 Shelly I cannot advise on USA locations but on non American locations I would recommend that you forget all about the standard four fields, switch off the geo-verifier and only use it if you cannot find a place. Then enter the location as it should be eg. for the UK (we do not use this btw - only England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales): House, Hamlet/Village, Parish/District, Town/City, County, Country ie. 2 Park Street, Winton, Eccles, Salford, Lancashire, England You could, of course, put the house elswhere but do note that within Eccles there is more than one Park Street, each being in one of the old villages/hamlets. Ron Ferguson _ New Blog: Free Contacts Database for use with Open Office http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Locations Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 22:57:31 -0500 Hi group, Just a lurker here who has gained a lot of information on how to best utilize Legacy. In fact, at work I tell people to go to the web site and check it instead of buying another program- I Work for a large retail store that provides software etc… However, being a totally “nut” case with family history/genealogy- I must point customers to the best program – in the long Run they will be happy and return to buy a computer from me J I found out that I had entered places incorrect- now I enter them City,County,State, Country- Here is my questions: 1. How should I enter State and Country prior to the United States being formed? 2. How should I enter those family members from another Country IE I have ancestors from Norway- They were located on Hanes Farm, Solumn Parish, Telemark, Norway- is this the correct way to enter it? How should I enter those from England? I am trying to clean up my data base prior to receiving the download instructions for my upgrade from V. 6 to V. 7- BTW if you all love Virtual Earth from Microsoft- check out Google maps- some of the large cities in the US have been photographed- enter the address street city and state- it will Take you to the house and you can actually view it- so if you are lucky and your ancestor’s home is still there, you can see it- it gives you an idea of the house that they lived in Thanks for your help Shelly Crosby Illinois _ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl001009ukm/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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In addition to comments already made about entry for Norwegian locations, the farms were divided into sections called a bruk. In order to correctly identify a location the format would be bruk under farm name, parish, fylke, country. In your example of Hanes farm in Solum, Telemark, I would enter: Hanes, Solum, Telemark, Norway. Hanes was later divided into two separate farms, søndre and nordre. To make them easier to find, I would use Hanes Nordre and Hanes Søndre rather than Søndre Hanes format, but that is just my choice. This displays easier in the location list and makes finding it easier to have all the farm locations display together in the list. For a bruk, I use this format: Hella u/Hanes Nordre, Solum, Telemark, Norway LIll Ann Elizabeth Cunningham wrote: I wanted to add that I cannot just use city, county, state, country either. I have to use streets. I have at least 15 different street addresses inside the city of Philadelphia for my grandfather, and leaving them out would make the lists a lot less useful, so I always add street addresses first in a location when I have them. I think Philadelphia has had numbered street addresses for at least 150 years, probably longer, and it is 27 miles long and 15 miles wide, so just using city will not do. (For those who are sticklers for accuracy, Philadelphia used to be smaller, but the city and county became the same in 1854.) I would think for Norwegian use you could just add the farm name first, just as I add the street address first. I have not run into problems using the extra information this way. I have also entered cemeteries using the cemetery name first, then the street address, then the city, county etc. Legacy has not penalized me for this. Elizabeth C Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.4/1475 - Release Date: 5/30/2008 2:53 PM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Ray Campbell wrote: I know how to do that but it is not what I want. I want to enter it by sequence of keys typed. Then I am not restricted to just 10 locations What you're after is not part of Legacy. What you want is a so-called 'Keyboard Enhancer' as an add-on to your system. These generally allow you assign a certain sequence of keypresses to a hot-key. Pressing the hot-key inserts the keypress sequence into whatever it is you're editing at the time. IMHO they are of limited use unless backed up by a predictive dictionary that learns from your specific usage. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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It would, but there is a way of doing it on Legacy that works great and I can't remember how I did it. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations Why not put in what you want (LSSST) then later on go to search and replace? Wouldn't that do what you are wanting? Myrna Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1273 - Release Date: 12/02/2008 9:31 AM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Why not put in what you want (LSSST) then later on go to search and replace? Wouldn't that do what you are wanting? Myrna Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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You can't set the short locations to the abbreviations, and then the key strokes you refer to would bring up the short location identification? Then in the long location name you could have it spelled out completely, so there's no confusion of what you meant? On Feb 12, 2008 7:10 AM, Ray Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it has the ability, because I have been using it for the last year and then I went and accidently merged my locations by accident and the ones I had set up for this went in the merge. Now I can't remember how I did it. Ray I have over 140,000 individuals on my database so when I start typing a location I get quite a few diferent ones filling in automatically in turn as a type in characters. But not the right ones. Usually I have to delete part of one of them if I want to save time and then type more in till I get what I want or just keep typing everything in. So that is why I want to use the sequence of key thing. It is built into Legacy but I can't remeber how to set it up again. Oh well, someday I will. In the meantime I guess I'll start merging location names and maybe I can get everything working like yours till someone finds what it is I want and posts it or something. I am looking forward to the new Legacy 7. It will probably be much better with larger amounts of individuals in it. Ray Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations
Yes, it has the ability, because I have been using it for the last year and then I went and accidently merged my locations by accident and the ones I had set up for this went in the merge. Now I can't remember how I did it. Ray - Original Message - From: Cathy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 11:02 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations Hi Ray, I don't think Legacy has ever had the ability you refer to. MS Word does if you set it up. It may be in Legacy connected to Autocorrect in the Spell checking - again if you've set it up. See the Help file and you'll find an auto correct file in the Dictionaries folder. Another option: When you've started typing so that you've reached a location close to what you want, click the down arrow and you'll be taken to the Master Location list at that point and can then choose the one you actually want. Cathy At 12:07 PM 12/02/2008, you wrote: I have over 140,000 individuals on my database so when I start typing a location I get quite a few diferent ones filling in automatically in turn as a type in characters. But not the right ones. Usually I have to delete part of one of them if I want to save time and then type more in till I get what I want or just keep typing everything in. So that is why I want to use the sequence of key thing. It is built into Legacy but I can't remeber how to set it up again. Oh well, someday I will. In the meantime I guess I'll start merging location names and maybe I can get everything working like yours till someone finds what it is I want and posts it or something. I am looking forward to the new Legacy 7. It will probably be much better with larger amounts of individuals in it. Ray Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1271 - Release Date: 11/02/2008 8:16 AM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations
Ray Campbell wrote Entering the same location in Legacy 6 gets pretty tiresome. Is there a way I can enter key letters in the location area such as NWT for birth location and have it enter Northwest Territories or enter RRS for Red River Settlement, MB, Canada. I would like to make a few of these for entering certain locations into the birth locations and death locations. I would choose an abbreviation that is not likely to be repeated and which makes sense to you and use that and then every now and then use Search and Replace. Find where - Locations Find What - RRS Replacement Text - Red River Settlement, MB, Canada -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations
Thanks Teresa But it still is not what I want. What I did before is just type a sequence of keys (EXAMPLE) such as lsssc and then it would display Louise Street, Saskatoon, SK, Canada or what ever you wanted it to type in and what ever sequence of keys you want to use. In this case I used the first letters of each word. It works great for me, when I have to put in location and cemeteries, location and church or location of birth or death or just a location. Now this can be done as I have done it with Legacy 6, but I have forgotten how I did it. Guess I am getting to old to remember everything (LOL). If any one knows could you please post it Ray - Original Message - From: Teresa Keough To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations From the Tips and Tricks section of Legacy Manual (p. 381), To memorize a field make sure the cursor is anywhere within the field and press Shift-F9. To play back the value, place the cursor in the desired field and press F9. This also works for two additional keys, Shift-F11 and Shift-F12. Note that Shift-F8 is the repeat key. - Original Message - From: Gene Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 5:54 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations Ray Campbell wrote: Hi Entering the same location in Legacy 6 gets pretty tiresome. Is there a way I can enter key letters in the location area such as NWT for birth location and have it enter Northwest Territories or enter RRS for Red River Settlement, MB, Canada. I would like to make a few of these for entering certain locations into the birth locations and death locations. Ray No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1270 - Release Date: 2/10/2008 12:21 PM Create a dummy location called NWT. Enter this as the location for as many places as you need. When finished, go to the master location list and merge NWT into the correct location (Northwest Territories). Then recreate the dummy location for the next time. -- Gene Y. n2kvs Researching Young, Zies, Harer Cox with Legacy Family Tree http://h1.ripway.com/egptech/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1271 - Release Date: 11/02/2008 8:16 AM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations
Yes, I know that, but my sequence of keys works for me out here and typing in a sequence of keys is much faster, that's why I wanted to know how I could set it up. I have done it before but I just can't remember how I did it and it worked very well for me. Ray . - Original Message - From: ronald ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 7:49 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Locations Ray, Your request makes an awful lot of assumptions. such as there being nowhere else in the rest of the world which uses the abreviations NWT and RRS (over here NWT is a television station btw). You can repeat the last entry of a field by clicking the name of the field in both the Individual Screen and the Events Screen. You can also use the drop down menus should you so wish. Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk New Blog: Open Legacy Family File with Open Office View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 06:47:53 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LegacyUG] Locations To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Hi Entering the same location in Legacy 6 gets pretty tiresome. Is there a way I can enter key letters in the location area such as NWT for birth location and have it enter Northwest Territories or enter RRS for Red River Settlement, MB, Canada. I would like to make a few of these for entering certain locations into the birth locations and death locations. Ray _ Get Hotmail on your mobile, text MSN to 63463! http://mobile.uk.msn.com/pc/mail.aspx Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1271 - Release Date: 11/02/2008 8:16 AM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations
Ray Campbell wrote: Hi Entering the same location in Legacy 6 gets pretty tiresome. Is there a way I can enter key letters in the location area such as NWT for birth location and have it enter Northwest Territories or enter RRS for Red River Settlement, MB, Canada. I would like to make a few of these for entering certain locations into the birth locations and death locations. Ray Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1270 - Release Date: 2/10/2008 12:21 PM Create a dummy location called NWT. Enter this as the location for as many places as you need. When finished, go to the master location list and merge NWT into the correct location (Northwest Territories). Then recreate the dummy location for the next time. -- Gene Y. n2kvs Researching Young, Zies, Harer Cox with Legacy Family Tree http://h1.ripway.com/egptech/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations
Hi Ray, I don't think Legacy has ever had the ability you refer to. MS Word does if you set it up. It may be in Legacy connected to Autocorrect in the Spell checking - again if you've set it up. See the Help file and you'll find an auto correct file in the Dictionaries folder. Another option: When you've started typing so that you've reached a location close to what you want, click the down arrow and you'll be taken to the Master Location list at that point and can then choose the one you actually want. Cathy At 12:07 PM 12/02/2008, you wrote: I have over 140,000 individuals on my database so when I start typing a location I get quite a few diferent ones filling in automatically in turn as a type in characters. But not the right ones. Usually I have to delete part of one of them if I want to save time and then type more in till I get what I want or just keep typing everything in. So that is why I want to use the sequence of key thing. It is built into Legacy but I can't remeber how to set it up again. Oh well, someday I will. In the meantime I guess I'll start merging location names and maybe I can get everything working like yours till someone finds what it is I want and posts it or something. I am looking forward to the new Legacy 7. It will probably be much better with larger amounts of individuals in it. Ray Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations
I have over 140,000 individuals on my database so when I start typing a location I get quite a few diferent ones filling in automatically in turn as a type in characters. But not the right ones. Usually I have to delete part of one of them if I want to save time and then type more in till I get what I want or just keep typing everything in. So that is why I want to use the sequence of key thing. It is built into Legacy but I can't remeber how to set it up again. Oh well, someday I will. In the meantime I guess I'll start merging location names and maybe I can get everything working like yours till someone finds what it is I want and posts it or something. I am looking forward to the new Legacy 7. It will probably be much better with larger amounts of individuals in it. Ray - Original Message - From: Al Mallory [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations When I am inputting a location that is already in my location list, the full location will autofill after the first few letters. If I use your example - Louise Street, Saskatoon, SK, Canada, after I enter it once all I have to do for any record is to enter lou and the location autofills with Louise Street, Saskatoon, SK, Canada. How many letters you need to enter depends on what else you have in your location DB - I have London so that comes up first but I just continue and enter the u and Louise St ...etc . autofills. I know this isn't exactly what your asking for but it seems just as efficient and easy. I don't think I ever enter more then a few letters before each location fills. I'm pretty new to Legacy so I'm not sure if I've turned on some feature, but I assumed it was just part of the system. On Feb 11, 2008 11:43 AM, Ray Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Teresa But it still is not what I want. What I did before is just type a sequence of keys (EXAMPLE) such as lsssc and then it would display Louise Street, Saskatoon, SK, Canada or what ever you wanted it to type in and what ever sequence of keys you want to use. In this case I used the first letters of each word. It works great for me, when I have to put in location and cemeteries, location and church or location of birth or death or just a location. Now this can be done as I have done it with Legacy 6, but I have forgotten how I did it. Guess I am getting to old to remember everything (LOL). If any one knows could you please post it Ray - Original Message - From: Teresa Keough To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations From the Tips and Tricks section of Legacy Manual (p. 381), To memorize a field make sure the cursor is anywhere within the field and press Shift-F9. To play back the value, place the cursor in the desired field and press F9. This also works for two additional keys, Shift-F11 and Shift-F12. Note that Shift-F8 is the repeat key. - Original Message - From: Gene Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 5:54 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations Ray Campbell wrote: Hi Entering the same location in Legacy 6 gets pretty tiresome. Is there a way I can enter key letters in the location area such as NWT for birth location and have it enter Northwest Territories or enter RRS for Red River Settlement, MB, Canada. I would like to make a few of these for entering certain locations into the birth locations and death locations. Ray No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1270 - Release Date: 2/10/2008 12:21 PM Create a dummy location called NWT. Enter this as the location for as many places as you need. When finished, go to the master location list and merge NWT into the correct location (Northwest Territories). Then recreate the dummy location for the next time. -- Gene Y. n2kvs Researching Young, Zies, Harer Cox with Legacy Family Tree http://h1.ripway.com/egptech/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1271 - Release Date
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations
If it's a location you've used before, doesn't it auto-fill? If you haven't used it before I think you just have to type it in. JL http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/ Ray Campbell wrote: I know how to do that but it is not what I want. I want to enter it by sequence of keys typed. Then I am not restricted to just 10 locations - Original Message - From: Tim Rosenlof [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 1:04 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Locations Or right clicking just to the left of the location, and it will show the last 10 locations used. Right click on the in. -Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ronald ferguson Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:49 AM To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Locations Ray, Your request makes an awful lot of assumptions. such as there being nowhere else in the rest of the world which uses the abreviations NWT and RRS (over here NWT is a television station btw). You can repeat the last entry of a field by clicking the name of the field in both the Individual Screen and the Events Screen. You can also use the drop down menus should you so wish. Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk New Blog: Open Legacy Family File with Open Office View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 06:47:53 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LegacyUG] Locations To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Hi Entering the same location in Legacy 6 gets pretty tiresome. Is there a way I can enter key letters in the location area such as NWT for birth location and have it enter Northwest Territories or enter RRS for Red River Settlement, MB, Canada. I would like to make a few of these for entering certain locations into the birth locations and death locations. Ray _ Get Hotmail on your mobile, text MSN to 63463! http://mobile.uk.msn.com/pc/mail.aspx Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1271 - Release Date: 11/02/2008 8:16 AM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations
On 11 Feb 2008 Gene Young wrote: Ray Campbell wrote: Entering the same location in Legacy 6 gets pretty tiresome. Is there a way I can enter key letters in the location area such as NWT for birth location and have it enter Northwest Territories or enter RRS for Red River Settlement, MB, Canada. I would like to make a few of these for entering certain locations into the birth locations and death locations. Create a dummy location called NWT. Enter this as the location for as many places as you need. When finished, go to the master location list and merge NWT into the correct location (Northwest Territories). Then recreate the dummy location for the next time. Why go to all this!!? Like so many other things the feature needed is already in Legacy. Simply right-click on the field name and a menu of the 10 last-typed entries will appear, then all that's needed is to (left) click on the one you want. Cheers, -- Dave N. -- David Naylor, Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada. --- Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations
When I am inputting a location that is already in my location list, the full location will autofill after the first few letters. If I use your example - Louise Street, Saskatoon, SK, Canada, after I enter it once all I have to do for any record is to enter lou and the location autofills with Louise Street, Saskatoon, SK, Canada. How many letters you need to enter depends on what else you have in your location DB - I have London so that comes up first but I just continue and enter the u and Louise St ...etc . autofills. I know this isn't exactly what your asking for but it seems just as efficient and easy. I don't think I ever enter more then a few letters before each location fills. I'm pretty new to Legacy so I'm not sure if I've turned on some feature, but I assumed it was just part of the system. On Feb 11, 2008 11:43 AM, Ray Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Teresa But it still is not what I want. What I did before is just type a sequence of keys (EXAMPLE) such as lsssc and then it would display Louise Street, Saskatoon, SK, Canada or what ever you wanted it to type in and what ever sequence of keys you want to use. In this case I used the first letters of each word. It works great for me, when I have to put in location and cemeteries, location and church or location of birth or death or just a location. Now this can be done as I have done it with Legacy 6, but I have forgotten how I did it. Guess I am getting to old to remember everything (LOL). If any one knows could you please post it Ray - Original Message - From: Teresa Keough To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations From the Tips and Tricks section of Legacy Manual (p. 381), To memorize a field make sure the cursor is anywhere within the field and press Shift-F9. To play back the value, place the cursor in the desired field and press F9. This also works for two additional keys, Shift-F11 and Shift-F12. Note that Shift-F8 is the repeat key. - Original Message - From: Gene Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 5:54 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations Ray Campbell wrote: Hi Entering the same location in Legacy 6 gets pretty tiresome. Is there a way I can enter key letters in the location area such as NWT for birth location and have it enter Northwest Territories or enter RRS for Red River Settlement, MB, Canada. I would like to make a few of these for entering certain locations into the birth locations and death locations. Ray No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1270 - Release Date: 2/10/2008 12:21 PM Create a dummy location called NWT. Enter this as the location for as many places as you need. When finished, go to the master location list and merge NWT into the correct location (Northwest Territories). Then recreate the dummy location for the next time. -- Gene Y. n2kvs Researching Young, Zies, Harer Cox with Legacy Family Tree http://h1.ripway.com/egptech/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1271 - Release Date: 11/02/2008 8:16 AM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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I know how to do that but it is not what I want. I want to enter it by sequence of keys typed. Then I am not restricted to just 10 locations - Original Message - From: Tim Rosenlof [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 1:04 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Locations Or right clicking just to the left of the location, and it will show the last 10 locations used. Right click on the in. -Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ronald ferguson Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:49 AM To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Locations Ray, Your request makes an awful lot of assumptions. such as there being nowhere else in the rest of the world which uses the abreviations NWT and RRS (over here NWT is a television station btw). You can repeat the last entry of a field by clicking the name of the field in both the Individual Screen and the Events Screen. You can also use the drop down menus should you so wish. Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk New Blog: Open Legacy Family File with Open Office View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 06:47:53 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LegacyUG] Locations To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Hi Entering the same location in Legacy 6 gets pretty tiresome. Is there a way I can enter key letters in the location area such as NWT for birth location and have it enter Northwest Territories or enter RRS for Red River Settlement, MB, Canada. I would like to make a few of these for entering certain locations into the birth locations and death locations. Ray _ Get Hotmail on your mobile, text MSN to 63463! http://mobile.uk.msn.com/pc/mail.aspx Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1271 - Release Date: 11/02/2008 8:16 AM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Locations
Hi Entering the same location in Legacy 6 gets pretty tiresome. Is there a way I can enter key letters in the location area such as NWT for birth location and have it enter Northwest Territories or enter RRS for Red River Settlement, MB, Canada. I would like to make a few of these for entering certain locations into the birth locations and death locations. Ray Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Locations
Or right clicking just to the left of the location, and it will show the last 10 locations used. Right click on the in. -Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ronald ferguson Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:49 AM To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Locations Ray, Your request makes an awful lot of assumptions. such as there being nowhere else in the rest of the world which uses the abreviations NWT and RRS (over here NWT is a television station btw). You can repeat the last entry of a field by clicking the name of the field in both the Individual Screen and the Events Screen. You can also use the drop down menus should you so wish. Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk New Blog: Open Legacy Family File with Open Office View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 06:47:53 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LegacyUG] Locations To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Hi Entering the same location in Legacy 6 gets pretty tiresome. Is there a way I can enter key letters in the location area such as NWT for birth location and have it enter Northwest Territories or enter RRS for Red River Settlement, MB, Canada. I would like to make a few of these for entering certain locations into the birth locations and death locations. Ray _ Get Hotmail on your mobile, text MSN to 63463! http://mobile.uk.msn.com/pc/mail.aspx Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Locations
Ray, Your request makes an awful lot of assumptions. such as there being nowhere else in the rest of the world which uses the abreviations NWT and RRS (over here NWT is a television station btw). You can repeat the last entry of a field by clicking the name of the field in both the Individual Screen and the Events Screen. You can also use the drop down menus should you so wish. Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk New Blog: Open Legacy Family File with Open Office View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 06:47:53 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LegacyUG] Locations To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Hi Entering the same location in Legacy 6 gets pretty tiresome. Is there a way I can enter key letters in the location area such as NWT for birth location and have it enter Northwest Territories or enter RRS for Red River Settlement, MB, Canada. I would like to make a few of these for entering certain locations into the birth locations and death locations. Ray _ Get Hotmail on your mobile, text MSN to 63463! http://mobile.uk.msn.com/pc/mail.aspx Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations
From the Tips and Tricks section of Legacy Manual (p. 381), To memorize a field make sure the cursor is anywhere within the field and press Shift-F9. To play back the value, place the cursor in the desired field and press F9. This also works for two additional keys, Shift-F11 and Shift-F12. Note that Shift-F8 is the repeat key. - Original Message - From: Gene Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 5:54 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations Ray Campbell wrote: Hi Entering the same location in Legacy 6 gets pretty tiresome. Is there a way I can enter key letters in the location area such as NWT for birth location and have it enter Northwest Territories or enter RRS for Red River Settlement, MB, Canada. I would like to make a few of these for entering certain locations into the birth locations and death locations. Ray No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1270 - Release Date: 2/10/2008 12:21 PM Create a dummy location called NWT. Enter this as the location for as many places as you need. When finished, go to the master location list and merge NWT into the correct location (Northwest Territories). Then recreate the dummy location for the next time. -- Gene Y. n2kvs Researching Young, Zies, Harer Cox with Legacy Family Tree http://h1.ripway.com/egptech/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations (Registration Districts)
Cathy Redish wrote When you record locations esp. english ones, and a location could be a church and/or a registration district and/or a census parish, do you record them as distinct locations eg.. St. Leonards Church, London; St. Leonards Registration District, London and St. Leonards Parish, London or do you lump them? For a start, I don't include Addresses in my Locations, so the name of the Church would go in Address and the Registration District/Census Parish etc in the Location. When I know the exact Location, I put Church name and street in Address and usually Town, County, Country (for English addresses) in Location. With a Census, my Sentence is worded to included Civil Parish of prior to the Location. When I only know the Registration District I only use that in the Location field, in the form Wirral RD, but I have recently thought that I should change this to read Wirral Registration District. A related question wherre St. xxx and Saint xxx refer to the same location what do you record? I always use the abbreviation St in Addresses and Locations because one hardly ever sees it written in full in such circumstances. -- Jenny M Benson Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations (Registration Districts)
Thanks to everyone for their replies. I will set up separate locations, which is going to involve a massive review of my data. I can do a lot of other clean-up at the same time using ideas I have read here. I remember programming a KDF-9 using paper tape! Cathy, Dundas, Ontario Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations (Registration Districts)
I don't go back as far as some, but the high school I attended had the identical system with hollerith cards that Doris Day destroyed in the movie with Cary Grant. Our teacher made sure we saw it. Rich in LA CA --- Cathy Redish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to everyone for their replies. I will set up separate locations, which is going to involve a massive review of my data. I can do a lot of other clean-up at the same time using ideas I have read here. I remember programming a KDF-9 using paper tape! Cathy, Dundas, Ontario Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Locations (Registration Districts)
LUG: When you record locations esp. english ones, and a location could be a church and/or a registration district and/or a census parish, do you record them as distinct locations eg.. St. Leonards Church, London; St. Leonards Registration District, London and St. Leonards Parish, London or do you lump them? A related question wherre St. xxx and Saint xxx refer to the same location what do you record? Many thanks Cathy (Dundas, Ontario) Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations (Registration Districts)
Cathy If I know the address for an event such as a BMD certificate or known Census address I use the location full e.g. St. Leonards Church, Shoreditch, London If I am recording and event such as the St Catherine Index Ref: then I use the location as Shoreditch R.D. or an unknown location found in a Census as Shoreditch C.D. This is a short hand way of knowing to what the location refers. - Original Message - From: Cathy Redish To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:22 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Locations (Registration Districts) LUG: When you record locations esp. english ones, and a location could be a church and/or a registration district and/or a census parish, do you record them as distinct locations eg.. St. Leonards Church, London; St. Leonards Registration District, London and St. Leonards Parish, London or do you lump them? A related question wherre St. xxx and Saint xxx refer to the same location what do you record? Many thanks Cathy (Dundas, Ontario) Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Buy Now Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1182 - Release Date: 12/12/2007 11:29 a.m. Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations (Registration Districts)
If I mean a Registration District, I always include Registration District in the location. The District is so much bigger than town or parish of the same name. Earlier I didn't and was quite misled. Why did they marry in Yeovil was a question in my mind for a long time. When I addressed it properly, I realised the marriage was in the Yeovil registration district, not Yeovil and on checking the places within it, I was able to guess a more probable parish and check those parish records and there was the marriage. If I'm referring to the Church it would be St Leonard's Church, St Leonards, London, England. Others would put the church name in the address rather than the location/place field. It's up to you whether you use the abbreviation St or the full Saint. Some places have a convention of using one or the other. I usually use St unless I know it is usually written in full. Cathy At 09:22 AM 13/12/2007, you wrote: LUG: When you record locations esp. english ones, and a location could be a church and/or a registration district and/or a census parish, do you record them as distinct locations eg.. St. Leonards Church, London; St. Leonards Registration District, London and St. Leonards Parish, London or do you lump them? A related question wherre St. xxx and Saint xxx refer to the same location what do you record? Many thanks Cathy (Dundas, Ontario) Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations (Registration Districts)
IMHO, it sounds like St. Leonards Church is a religious organization and St. Leonards Parish, London may be a governmental unit, both in the same town? Do they have their file cabinets in the same room, building, neighborhood? If not, they just have the same name. ( I am trying to simplify a question to ask before lumping similar names together.) Rich in LA CA --- Cathy Redish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LUG: When you record locations esp. english ones, and a location could be a church and/or a registration district and/or a census parish, do you record them as distinct locations eg.. St. Leonards Church, London; St. Leonards Registration District, London and St. Leonards Parish, London or do you lump them? A related question wherre St. xxx and Saint xxx refer to the same location what do you record? Many thanks Cathy (Dundas, Ontario) Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Locations (Registration Districts)
David, I would counsel against using abbreviations. To many of us RD does *not* mean Registration District but Rural District a branch of local government from around 1894 to 1974. There is also UD for Urban District. Similarly I had difficulty understanding what was meant by CD until I guessed it meant Civil District. If I, as someone born and bred in England with some 20 years involvement in local government, is having problems then I suspect many more will. I would strongly recommend that one does not abbreviate the various branches of local administration or registration. The three examples which Cathy gives are distinct entities. St Leonards Church, London is clearly a specific place (albeit incomplete as it does not say what district of London); St Leonards Registration District is not a geographical area as such but an administrative area set up purely for registration purposes and St Leonards Parish could be either an ecclesiastical parish or a local government parish (ie. civil) amd there is no way of telling the difference from the information supplied. Thus, the three cannot be lumped as they are not the same location. The first two are easy to enter: the first as it stands and the second with Registration District included. For the third to be unique it needs to state whether it is an ecclesiastical or civil parish. BTW in general I use St Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk *New Blog* Protect Your PC View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations (Registration Districts) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:52:46 +1300 Cathy If I know the address for an event such as a BMD certificate or known Census address I use the location full e.g. St. Leonards Church, Shoreditch, London If I am recording and event such as the St Catherine Index Ref: then I use the location as Shoreditch R.D. or an unknown location found in a Census as Shoreditch C.D. This is a short hand way of knowing to what the location refers. - Original Message - From: Cathy Redish To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:22 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Locations (Registration Districts) LUG: When you record locations esp. english ones, and a location could be a church and/or a registration district and/or a census parish, do you record them as distinct locations eg.. St. Leonards Church, London; St. Leonards Registration District, London and St. Leonards Parish, London or do you lump them? A related question wherre St. xxx and Saint xxx refer to the same location what do you record? Many thanks Cathy (Dundas, Ontario) _ Who's friends with who and co-starred in what? http://www.searchgamesbox.com/celebrityseparation.shtml Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Locations--(W)VA
Actually, this doesn't help. What chronology entries are you talking about? Are you talking about creating your own timeline? Mary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RICHARD SCHULTHIES Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:17 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Locations--(W)VA Yes. In one instance, in Kentucky, in 1817, my ancestor died in New Liberty, Gallatin County. In 1819 Owen County was created from four counties, but New Liberty was split in half, his portion stayed in Gallatin. In 1820 Census, his widow was found in Gallatin paying taxes. In 1821, Gallatin gave portions (including rest of New Liberty area) to Owen County. In 1821, she has left Tax lists of Gallatin and joined Owen County. It was very confusing until I found that the portion of New Liberty they had lived in was renamed in the 1850s? as Wheatley. Before that, in 1830, the family moved in 3 groups over 4 years to Indiana. They never learned (?) the place they lived, was no longer called New Liberty. Everyone in the family, to this day, is still calling the homestead as in New Liberty. Imagine my confusion and frustration when we went to visit it, 1500 miles, and were searching twenty miles away from where the place actually was. I have created matching Chronology entries stating this, so they can be added into any report on this family which might be a person needing the tax list, probate stuff, but if person doesn't need this, I can easily not print paragraphs of info. (No deleting, just unticking.) I was going to PDF it, but am having problems unrelated with my printer at the moment. I had planned on PDF to insert to this, but will fix later. Hope this helps. I have created a grouping of each state my family is in, to pick and choose which needs to be there each time. The land mentioned above, was included in about a dozen counties in Virginia, then 8 counties in Kentucky. I have not yet found all records in the various counties, so am not sure what my count will be. Rich in LA CA --- M. Brenzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard, May I ask what you mean by putting your boundary changes in the chronology tabs? Mary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RICHARD SCHULTHIES Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 2:03 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations--(W)VA I put all my boundary 'changes' in the chronology tabs so they can be added quickly (or not) to the specific report. Rich in LA CA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations--(W)VA
Dev wrote As far as Legacy is concerned, I don't think Legacy treats (W)VA and VA any differently. At least I haven't been able to duplicate Pat's problem. Maybe Pat could be more specific about which descendant report is the problem (Descendant Chart, Descendants Book Report, Descendant Narrative Book Report, etc.). Well, I haven't been able to duplicate the problem either. l've just tried two descendant reports (one a .pdf from reports, all reports, book reports, descendants) the other, just clicking on the Descendant tab in family view, and choosing a .txt file and both included W(VA) without a problem!! Sometimes I think writing to Legacy UG is similar to calling a mechanic when you have a strange auto problem -- the problem seems to solve itself without anybody doing anything that is different. Thanks for everybody's input anyway -- and I appreciated the various ideas about how they handle changing county boundaries. I suppose at some point I'll have to go through my files and try to make those consistent. I Imagine I could spend the entire rest of my life trying to get those straightened out! -- Pat - Original Message - From: Dev Null [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations--(W)VA - Original Message From: Michele Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 3:07:47 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations--(W)VA I stand corrected :) I outlined the accepted standard in genealogical reseach and the way Legacy also assumes you will document your locations. know there are those out there that do their own thing and that is their choice. However, it does make it more difficult to exchange info back and forth. I do agree with you about the consistency. Certainly, if you plan on submitting your data to an organization that expects a certain format, you will want to follow their guidelines. As far as Legacy is concerned, I don't think Legacy treats (W)VA and VA any differently. At least I haven't been able to duplicate Pat's problem. Maybe Pat could be more specific about which descendant report is the problem (Descendant Chart, Descendants Book Report, Descendant Narrative Book Report, etc.). Info exchange is always problematic. I never trust this info and look at every piece of data regardless of its source (and always end up modifying things to match my style). -- Dev +++ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Locations--(W)VA
Pat -- Are you sure you are using ( ) and not [ ] which would mark the item as private? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pat Hickin Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 2:33 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations--(W)VA Dev wrote As far as Legacy is concerned, I don't think Legacy treats (W)VA and VA any differently. At least I haven't been able to duplicate Pat's problem. Maybe Pat could be more specific about which descendant report is the problem (Descendant Chart, Descendants Book Report, Descendant Narrative Book Report, etc.). Well, I haven't been able to duplicate the problem either. l've just tried two descendant reports (one a .pdf from reports, all reports, book reports, descendants) the other, just clicking on the Descendant tab in family view, and choosing a .txt file and both included W(VA) without a problem!! Sometimes I think writing to Legacy UG is similar to calling a mechanic when you have a strange auto problem -- the problem seems to solve itself without anybody doing anything that is different. Thanks for everybody's input anyway -- and I appreciated the various ideas about how they handle changing county boundaries. I suppose at some point I'll have to go through my files and try to make those consistent. I Imagine I could spend the entire rest of my life trying to get those straightened out! -- Pat - Original Message - From: Dev Null [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations--(W)VA - Original Message From: Michele Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 3:07:47 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations--(W)VA I stand corrected :) I outlined the accepted standard in genealogical reseach and the way Legacy also assumes you will document your locations. know there are those out there that do their own thing and that is their choice. However, it does make it more difficult to exchange info back and forth. I do agree with you about the consistency. Certainly, if you plan on submitting your data to an organization that expects a certain format, you will want to follow their guidelines. As far as Legacy is concerned, I don't think Legacy treats (W)VA and VA any differently. At least I haven't been able to duplicate Pat's problem. Maybe Pat could be more specific about which descendant report is the problem (Descendant Chart, Descendants Book Report, Descendant Narrative Book Report, etc.). Info exchange is always problematic. I never trust this info and look at every piece of data regardless of its source (and always end up modifying things to match my style). -- Dev +++ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Locations--(W)VA
Richard, May I ask what you mean by putting your boundary changes in the chronology tabs? Mary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RICHARD SCHULTHIES Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 2:03 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations--(W)VA I put all my boundary 'changes' in the chronology tabs so they can be added quickly (or not) to the specific report. Rich in LA CA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Locations--(W)VA
Yes. In one instance, in Kentucky, in 1817, my ancestor died in New Liberty, Gallatin County. In 1819 Owen County was created from four counties, but New Liberty was split in half, his portion stayed in Gallatin. In 1820 Census, his widow was found in Gallatin paying taxes. In 1821, Gallatin gave portions (including rest of New Liberty area) to Owen County. In 1821, she has left Tax lists of Gallatin and joined Owen County. It was very confusing until I found that the portion of New Liberty they had lived in was renamed in the 1850s? as Wheatley. Before that, in 1830, the family moved in 3 groups over 4 years to Indiana. They never learned (?) the place they lived, was no longer called New Liberty. Everyone in the family, to this day, is still calling the homestead as in New Liberty. Imagine my confusion and frustration when we went to visit it, 1500 miles, and were searching twenty miles away from where the place actually was. I have created matching Chronology entries stating this, so they can be added into any report on this family which might be a person needing the tax list, probate stuff, but if person doesn't need this, I can easily not print paragraphs of info. (No deleting, just unticking.) I was going to PDF it, but am having problems unrelated with my printer at the moment. I had planned on PDF to insert to this, but will fix later. Hope this helps. I have created a grouping of each state my family is in, to pick and choose which needs to be there each time. The land mentioned above, was included in about a dozen counties in Virginia, then 8 counties in Kentucky. I have not yet found all records in the various counties, so am not sure what my count will be. Rich in LA CA --- M. Brenzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard, May I ask what you mean by putting your boundary changes in the chronology tabs? Mary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RICHARD SCHULTHIES Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 2:03 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations--(W)VA I put all my boundary 'changes' in the chronology tabs so they can be added quickly (or not) to the specific report. Rich in LA CA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Locations--(W)VA
Hi Richard, To clarify - I think you mean you've created your own timelines that can be added to relevant chronologies? Sounds like a good solution. Cathy At 09:16 AM 16/11/2007, you wrote: Yes. In one instance, in Kentucky, in 1817, my ancestor died in New Liberty, Gallatin County. In 1819 Owen County was created from four counties, but New Liberty was split in half, his portion stayed in Gallatin. In 1820 Census, his widow was found in Gallatin paying taxes. In 1821, Gallatin gave portions (including rest of New Liberty area) to Owen County. In 1821, she has left Tax lists of Gallatin and joined Owen County. It was very confusing until I found that the portion of New Liberty they had lived in was renamed in the 1850s? as Wheatley. Before that, in 1830, the family moved in 3 groups over 4 years to Indiana. They never learned (?) the place they lived, was no longer called New Liberty. Everyone in the family, to this day, is still calling the homestead as in New Liberty. Imagine my confusion and frustration when we went to visit it, 1500 miles, and were searching twenty miles away from where the place actually was. I have created matching Chronology entries stating this, so they can be added into any report on this family which might be a person needing the tax list, probate stuff, but if person doesn't need this, I can easily not print paragraphs of info. (No deleting, just unticking.) I was going to PDF it, but am having problems unrelated with my printer at the moment. I had planned on PDF to insert to this, but will fix later. Hope this helps. I have created a grouping of each state my family is in, to pick and choose which needs to be there each time. The land mentioned above, was included in about a dozen counties in Virginia, then 8 counties in Kentucky. I have not yet found all records in the various counties, so am not sure what my count will be. Rich in LA CA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Locations--(W)VA
Correct. I must have not been clear in my previous messages? --- Cathy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Richard, To clarify - I think you mean you've created your own timelines that can be added to relevant chronologies? Sounds like a good solution. Cathy At 09:16 AM 16/11/2007, you wrote: Yes. In one instance, in Kentucky, in 1817, my ancestor died in New Liberty, Gallatin County. In 1819 Owen County was created from four counties, but New Liberty was split in half, his portion stayed in Gallatin. In 1820 Census, his widow was found in Gallatin paying taxes. In 1821, Gallatin gave portions (including rest of New Liberty area) to Owen County. In 1821, she has left Tax lists of Gallatin and joined Owen County. It was very confusing until I found that the portion of New Liberty they had lived in was renamed in the 1850s? as Wheatley. Before that, in 1830, the family moved in 3 groups over 4 years to Indiana. They never learned (?) the place they lived, was no longer called New Liberty. Everyone in the family, to this day, is still calling the homestead as in New Liberty. Imagine my confusion and frustration when we went to visit it, 1500 miles, and were searching twenty miles away from where the place actually was. I have created matching Chronology entries stating this, so they can be added into any report on this family which might be a person needing the tax list, probate stuff, but if person doesn't need this, I can easily not print paragraphs of info. (No deleting, just unticking.) I was going to PDF it, but am having problems unrelated with my printer at the moment. I had planned on PDF to insert to this, but will fix later. Hope this helps. I have created a grouping of each state my family is in, to pick and choose which needs to be there each time. The land mentioned above, was included in about a dozen counties in Virginia, then 8 counties in Kentucky. I have not yet found all records in the various counties, so am not sure what my count will be. Rich in LA CA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations--(W)VA
An example would be John Doe was born 1 January 1760 in Berkeley Co. If it would print out what's in the database it would be saying, John Doe was born 1 January 1760 in Berkeley Co., (W)VA. Thanks, Pat - Original Message - From: Randy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations--(W)VA Can you provide a concrete example? Thanks. At 09:32 AM 11/13/2007, you wrote: In printing out a descendant report, Legacy is omitting the state IF and only IF it is (W)VA! Since it is customary to write the state that way when an event occurred in a part of Virginia that was in Virginia prior to 1863, but became part of West Virginia after that state was created, I'd prefer not to have to change all my (W)VAs to Virginia. Why is Legacy taking it upon itself to omit the state, and is there any way I can over-ride this so that the state appears as written?? Thanks for your help! -- Pat Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations--(W)VA
It should be John Doe born 01 Jan 1760, Berkeley Co, VA (WV did not exist at that time). It isn't proper to put that W in there to imdicate that Berkeley ended up in WV. You always document the location name that was correct AT THE TIME THE EVENT TOOK PLACE. Let's say he died in that same location in 1860. That would look like this, died 01 Jan 1860, Berkeley Co, WV For example, James Elexander Simmons born 22 Feb 1870 Marion Co, MS James Elexander Simmons died 28 Dec 1937 Lamar Co, MS He was born and died in the same house. He literally never moved. This same principle is used even if the state boundary shifted. It isn't a big deal. If you were to write a narrative account you could put a blurb in there explaining the change in state lines but for data entry into your file it isn't proper. michele - Original Message - From: Pat Hickin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations--(W)VA An example would be John Doe was born 1 January 1760 in Berkeley Co. If it would print out what's in the database it would be saying, John Doe was born 1 January 1760 in Berkeley Co., (W)VA. Thanks, Pat - Original Message - From: Randy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations--(W)VA Can you provide a concrete example? Thanks. At 09:32 AM 11/13/2007, you wrote: In printing out a descendant report, Legacy is omitting the state IF and only IF it is (W)VA! Since it is customary to write the state that way when an event occurred in a part of Virginia that was in Virginia prior to 1863, but became part of West Virginia after that state was created, I'd prefer not to have to change all my (W)VAs to Virginia. Why is Legacy taking it upon itself to omit the state, and is there any way I can over-ride this so that the state appears as written?? Thanks for your help! -- Pat Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations--(W)VA
- Original Message From: Michele Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 2:02:39 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations--(W)VA You always document the location name that was correct AT THE TIME THE EVENT TOOK PLACE. Never say you always anything. It is up to each of us to make our own decisions on how to document things. I use , , VA (now WV). But I have no problem with your method or anyone else's. Just be consistent. -- Dev +++ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations--(W)VA
I stand corrected :) I outlined the accepted standard in genealogical reseach and the way Legacy also assumes you will document your locations. I know there are those out there that do their own thing and that is their choice. However, it does make it more difficult to exchange info back and forth. I do agree with you about the consistency. michele - Original Message - From: Dev Null [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations--(W)VA - Original Message From: Michele Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 2:02:39 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations--(W)VA You always document the location name that was correct AT THE TIME THE EVENT TOOK PLACE. Never say you always anything. It is up to each of us to make our own decisions on how to document things. I use , , VA (now WV). But I have no problem with your method or anyone else's. Just be consistent. -- Dev +++ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations--(W)VA
- Original Message From: Michele Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 3:07:47 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations--(W)VA I stand corrected :) I outlined the accepted standard in genealogical reseach and the way Legacy also assumes you will document your locations. know there are those out there that do their own thing and that is their choice. However, it does make it more difficult to exchange info back and forth. I do agree with you about the consistency. Certainly, if you plan on submitting your data to an organization that expects a certain format, you will want to follow their guidelines. As far as Legacy is concerned, I don't think Legacy treats (W)VA and VA any differently. At least I haven't been able to duplicate Pat's problem. Maybe Pat could be more specific about which descendant report is the problem (Descendant Chart, Descendants Book Report, Descendant Narrative Book Report, etc.). Info exchange is always problematic. I never trust this info and look at every piece of data regardless of its source (and always end up modifying things to match my style). -- Dev +++ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations--(W)VA
I put all my boundary 'changes' in the chronology tabs so they can be added quickly (or not) to the specific report. Rich in LA CA You always document the location name that was correct AT THE TIME THE EVENT TOOK PLACE. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations--(W)VA
I used to change all my locations to 'current' until in the United Kingdom, they changed the century old Shire/County boundaries. The way I found out was by buying a new atlas, and saw all the NEW divisions. The same has happened in France, Sweden (2 times), Germany, Soviet Union, and many I haven't found yet. I am not going to change my database JUST because some government has decided to streamline their processes. Once it is correct(?) in my system, I will never change it. Rich in LA CA --- Michele Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I stand corrected :) I outlined the accepted standard in genealogical reseach and the way Legacy also assumes you will document your locations. I know there are those out there that do their own thing and that is their choice. However, it does make it more difficult to exchange info back and forth. I do agree with you about the consistency. michele Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Locations--(W)VA
In printing out a descendant report, Legacy is omitting the state IF and only IF it is (W)VA! Since it is customary to write the state that way when an event occurred in a part of Virginia that was in Virginia prior to 1863, but became part of West Virginia after that state was created, I'd prefer not to have to change all my (W)VAs to Virginia. Why is Legacy taking it upon itself to omit the state, and is there any way I can over-ride this so that the state appears as written?? Thanks for your help! -- Pat Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations--(W)VA
You record the location as it was when the event took place. If the event took place in 1861 then the location is VA. It doesn't matter that in 1863 it would have been in WV. You always record the correct location AT THE TIME OF THE EVENT. michele - Original Message - From: Pat Hickin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUG LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 9:32 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] Locations--(W)VA In printing out a descendant report, Legacy is omitting the state IF and only IF it is (W)VA! Since it is customary to write the state that way when an event occurred in a part of Virginia that was in Virginia prior to 1863, but became part of West Virginia after that state was created, I'd prefer not to have to change all my (W)VAs to Virginia. Why is Legacy taking it upon itself to omit the state, and is there any way I can over-ride this so that the state appears as written?? Thanks for your help! -- Pat Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations--(W)VA
Can you provide a concrete example? Thanks. At 09:32 AM 11/13/2007, you wrote: In printing out a descendant report, Legacy is omitting the state IF and only IF it is (W)VA! Since it is customary to write the state that way when an event occurred in a part of Virginia that was in Virginia prior to 1863, but became part of West Virginia after that state was created, I'd prefer not to have to change all my (W)VAs to Virginia. Why is Legacy taking it upon itself to omit the state, and is there any way I can over-ride this so that the state appears as written?? Thanks for your help! -- Pat Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
