[LIB] wakwaking my 70CT from hibernation
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 06:07:57 -0300 From: Jose Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: wakwaking my 70CT from hibernation Hi all.. I'm thinking about giving a purpose for my retired 70CT .. I'm thinking about putting it in my car's trunk and connecting to some sort of in-dash LCD screen and a trackball and use it as a 15GB mp3 player .. Here in Brazil we have the robbery problem and we must camouflage all the hardware not to get them stolen, that's why the need to put it in the trunk .. My question is.. does anybody here have managed to make a Libretto wake up without using the power button..?? I can put my libby to hibernate perfectly in Linux but there's no way to wake it ... Pressing a mouse button to wake it would be all I want ... Any help?? Thanks .. JA Tavares
Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:43:18 +0100 From: Philip Nienhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions Raymond wrote: Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:53:13 +1100 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions and Hi Raymond: Sounds like a plan but I think you may have a couple of issues. I think Win98 is one of those operating systems that needs the drive overlay to work properly on the Libretto otherwise it can't see above the 8G mark (or can't see it properly or something - it was a while ago but I remember headaches in that area). I'm afraid I have to disagree here. Even plain DOS can see all of my 60 GB HD inside my Lib110, w/o drive overlay - as long as the extended partition type is 0x0f rather than 0x05 and the partition scheme (MBR) has been cooked in a modern desktop. Using DOS / Win98 FDISK in a desktop, the 0x0f type is default so no worries there. (0x0f apparently signals DOS to invoke int13 extensions.) The second issue you may have is AFAIK Win98's implementation of FAT32 doesn't work for partitions over 32GB due to its limit on cluster size so you'll need to split your 91GB'odd chunk of space into at least 3 partitions (unless you want to install, say, Win2k which in my experience responds somewhat faster than 98 anyway on the L100, perhaps due to better memory management). I'm afraid you mix up things here too. Perhaps you're right for Win95. But Win98 is quite happy with huge FAT32 partitions. It is Win2000 XP that refuse to format partitions 32 GB with FAT32, they insist on NTFS. For no good reason, as they happily read FAT32 on 32 GB partitions. See: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=184006 http://www.allensmith.net/Storage/HDDlimit/FAT32.htm for some limits. Philip Good luck! - Raymond
Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions and
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:36:12 +0100 From: Philip Nienhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions and [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 20:40:37 -0600 (CST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions and Hello Philip Nienhuis and thank you again for additional information. You're welcome. snip For testing and information gathering I used your (Philip Nienhuis) method, inside another Libretto 100CT, I created the largest partition FDISK would allow. (20GB Toshiba HD was used for testing) FDISK reports Total disk space is 7978Mbytes (1Mbyte = 1048576 bytes) Sounds familiar :-) On my current working 100Gig HDD, the first partition I created with Data Lifeguard Tools is seen by FDISK as 7538Mbytes and again FDISK is reporting the Total Disk Space is 7978Mbytes (1 Mbyte = 1048576) Makes sense. I realize the method you (Philip Nienhuis) stated would be more disk space efficient. Though less efficient, my current HDD setup should theoretically have plenty of space for my BIOS Hibernation file with a 500 meg (meg=1048Kb) gap there. In my current understanding, as long as the start of my second partition is out of reach of the Hibernation BIOS Routines +/- 8Gig bug, it should be safe. Based on the above information, does anyone disagree? :) No. After all, 100GB is a lot. 0.5 GB less wouldn't be discernable. Success, Philip
Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:43:05 +1100 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions At 10:44 AM 16/11/2005 -0800, you wrote: Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:43:18 +0100 From: Philip Nienhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions Raymond wrote: Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:53:13 +1100 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions and Hi Raymond: Sounds like a plan but I think you may have a couple of issues. I think Win98 is one of those operating systems that needs the drive overlay to work properly on the Libretto otherwise it can't see above the 8G mark (or can't see it properly or something - it was a while ago but I remember headaches in that area). I'm afraid I have to disagree here. Even plain DOS can see all of my 60 GB HD inside my Lib110, w/o drive overlay - as long as the extended partition type is 0x0f rather than 0x05 and the partition scheme (MBR) has been cooked in a modern desktop. Using DOS / Win98 FDISK in a desktop, the 0x0f type is default so no worries there. (0x0f apparently signals DOS to invoke int13 extensions.) I think that may have been the issue then - I stick to partitioning on the target machine. I'm almost certain if you FDISK the drive in the Libretto and run Win98, it won't see beyond 8G. Having said THAT, I do recall sticking to that policy BECAUSE I initially tried partitioning on another machine then finding I had issues when I moved back to the Libretto. I can't remember specifics though (I haven't touched Win98 in years!) but I recall it had something to do with mismatches in partition sizes being reported by various disk tools. Does this work if you make the first primary partition in the Libretto, put the drive in another machine then write the extended partition then put it back into the Libretto and write the logical partitions? The second issue you may have is AFAIK Win98's implementation of FAT32 doesn't work for partitions over 32GB due to its limit on cluster size so you'll need to split your 91GB'odd chunk of space into at least 3 partitions (unless you want to install, say, Win2k which in my experience responds somewhat faster than 98 anyway on the L100, perhaps due to better memory management). I'm afraid you mix up things here too. Perhaps you're right for Win95. But Win98 is quite happy with huge FAT32 partitions. It is Win2000 XP that refuse to format partitions 32 GB with FAT32, they insist on NTFS. For no good reason, as they happily read FAT32 on 32 GB partitions. That's almost certainly a mixup on my part then ... as you say, I know Win2k and XP won't do a 32GB FAT32 partition (except it doesn't actually tell you until it gets partway through the formatting process). Thanks for the correction! - Raymond --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | | ICQ: 31756092 | www.raybot.net | \~/
Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:05:18 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions Win2k and XP won't do a 32GB FAT32 partition (except it doesn't actually tell you until it gets partway through the formatting process). saw ths too. PM7 (whch s really old) wll happly format fat32 as bg as you want. forgve the spellng. my ceyboard lost 3 letters.
[LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions and Outline
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:34:09 -0600 (CST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions and Outline Hello Everyone... I have a few questions/ideas relative to hibernation on the Libretto 110CT. I understand that BIOS Hibernation on the Libretto is unable to see a drive larger than 8.4 gig. I also understand that BIOS Hibernation can not be completely disabled on the Libretto. My understanding is that Libretto BIOS Hibernation can be executed completely independently of the OS. Thermally or via detection of low battery are the two ways individuals from this website have stated. Procedure: Duplication of Windows 98 from a single partition 20gig drive to a 100gig Toshiba Drive. With two issues. Issue 1. Leaving the BIOS Hibernation space around the 8.4gig area of the drive, between partitions one and two. Issue 2. Preservation of my current full Windows Installation. No overlay necessary or used. Basically I want to do a hard drive upgrade with partition split AND space to accommodate the hibernation area around the 8.4Gig area of the drive. These are my questions... Question 1. How does the Libretto decide where to put the hibernation area. example: Go to end of HDD (or as much as it can see 8.4) and write the contents backwards or just back up and start to write towards the end? (direction likely doesn't make difference) example: Go to end of partition and write hibernation data? Question 2. I do not have a utility to examine the hard drive data to locate the cylinders where hibernation is being written, though I have seen were several have done just that. There is ONE 20Gig partition on my current working drive. So... Does anyone see why the following installation would not work. a. Put Original (20Gig Toshiba) HDD and new HDD (100Gig Toshiba) into a desktop computer with modern BIOS to correctly see all of both hard drives. b. Booted from OnTrack Disk Manager floppy disk. Defined the three following partitions with OnTrack Disk Manager on the Toshiba 100Gig Drive. 7.9GB (Boot and Windows Drive) 500MB (For spacer) 91MB (or to end of visible drive) Note: I chose 500 meg to space the beginning of the 91MB partition theoretically outside where the Libretto BIOS Hibernation routines can see. c. Rebooted into Windows Safe Mode from Boot Menu of Functional 20Gig Drive, which contains my original Working Windows Partition with configuration and data trimmed below 8gig. Opened a DOS Box and executed XClone program to duplicate the only partition on HDD 1, C: (20 gig drive) onto the first partition (7.9gig) of HDD2. (Although not documented, while XClone doesn't work in DOS, it does work in Windows Safe Mode... or more accurately, I have used it in Windows Safe Mode several times with no issues. I have never had any failure with XClone) d. Loaded Fdisk and deleted the 500MB partition of HDD 2 between the 7.9GB and 91GB partitions. I realize this should not be necessary, but I chose to do it anyway just to simulate space at the end of my partition. Also keep it from accidentally being formatted or used in some way. Status: No problems at this time. As stated above, I do not know how to verify if it is hibernating in the area I left blank. Although I have read the archives, I do not know or have any of the utilities described to locate the hibernation data. Any suggestions that anyone cares to offer about this installation would be appreciated. Thank you, John Martin Attached files are not permitted on this list, attachment has been removed.
Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions and
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 23:22:05 +0100 From: Philip Nienhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions and Outline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:34:09 -0600 (CST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions and Outline Hello Everyone... I have a few questions/ideas relative to hibernation on the Libretto 110CT. I understand that BIOS Hibernation on the Libretto is unable to see a drive larger than 8.4 gig. I also understand that BIOS Hibernation can not be completely disabled on the Libretto. My understanding is that Libretto BIOS Hibernation can be executed completely independently of the OS. Thermally or via detection of low battery are the two ways individuals from this website have stated. Procedure: Duplication of Windows 98 from a single partition 20gig drive to a 100gig Toshiba Drive. With two issues. Issue 1. Leaving the BIOS Hibernation space around the 8.4gig area of the drive, between partitions one and two. Issue 2. Preservation of my current full Windows Installation. No overlay necessary or used. Basically I want to do a hard drive upgrade with partition split AND space to accommodate the hibernation area around the 8.4Gig area of the drive. These are my questions... Question 1. How does the Libretto decide where to put the hibernation area. example: Go to end of HDD (or as much as it can see 8.4) and write the contents backwards or just back up and start to write towards the end? (direction likely doesn't make difference) John: Just a hunch: it writes towards the end. The difference *does* make a difference: Speed. Writing ( reading) backwards is terribly inefficient. Hibernation proceeds as follows: 1. Hibernation routine requests disk size from BIOS HD size routine 2. BIOS HD size routine cheats a bit, and gives an answer which leaves sufficient space for hibernation to anyone who's asking. The size of the cheat depends on another BIOS routine, i.e. the one which returns RAM size 3. Hibernation routine knows about the cheat and begins writing the RAM image starting at the next sector beyond the reported HD size. Now, not only does the BIOS HD size routine cheat, it also contains the 8 GB bug. Yes confusing, but these are two different things (see below for more). BTW one thing is sure: the hibernation image is one contiguous file (i.e., no holes or gaps in it). example: Go to end of partition and write hibernation data? Question 2. I do not have a utility to examine the hard drive data to locate the cylinders where hibernation is being written, though I have seen were several have done just that. There is ONE 20Gig partition on my current working drive. So... Does anyone see why the following installation would not work. Just a hint in advance: clearly state what MB type you mean: digital (= base 10.24, formally called MiB) or SI (base 10.0). Makes quite a difference once in the GB realms. Other than that, I suppose the setup below should be OK. a. Put Original (20Gig Toshiba) HDD and new HDD (100Gig Toshiba) into a desktop computer with modern BIOS to correctly see all of both hard drives. b. Booted from OnTrack Disk Manager floppy disk. Defined the three following partitions with OnTrack Disk Manager on the Toshiba 100Gig Drive. 7.9GB (Boot and Windows Drive) 500MB (For spacer) 91MB (or to end of visible drive) Note: I chose 500 meg to space the beginning of the 91MB partition theoretically outside where the Libretto BIOS Hibernation routines can see. c. Rebooted into Windows Safe Mode from Boot Menu of Functional 20Gig Drive, which contains my original Working Windows Partition with configuration and data trimmed below 8gig. Opened a DOS Box and executed XClone program to duplicate the only partition on HDD 1, C: (20 gig drive) onto the first partition (7.9gig) of HDD2. (Although not documented, while XClone doesn't work in DOS, it does work in Windows Safe Mode... or more accurately, I have used it in Windows Safe Mode several times with no issues. I have never had any failure with XClone) d. Loaded Fdisk and deleted the 500MB partition of HDD 2 between the 7.9GB and 91GB partitions. I realize this should not be necessary, but I chose to do it anyway just to simulate space at the end of my partition. Also keep it from accidentally being formatted or used in some way. Status: No problems at this time. As stated above, I do not know how to verify if it is hibernating in the area I left blank. Although I have read the archives, I do not know or have any of the utilities described to locate the hibernation data. Any suggestions that anyone cares to offer about this installation would be appreciated. I would do it (and have done it several times) this way: 1. Put 100 GB HD in Libretto. Do not use Ontrack or EZ-drive or whatever, delete/deinstall it. 2. Use DOS FDISK to make
Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions and
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:44:11 -0800 (PST) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions and My easy way was to stick the drive in, make a small partiion, install windows, then run a disk zeroing program that would zero out all of the bytes where I wanted (ie. all empty unused space), then open Notepad, type in a line like Librettos are great!, hibernate to disk, then restart, then use Winhex to search the sectors on the HD for this string. You will immediately know exactly where the hibernation data is being stored on the HD. adorable toshiba libretto The latest news and information for the Toshiba Libretto owner. http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions and
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 20:40:37 -0600 (CST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions and Hello Philip Nienhuis and thank you again for additional information. I apologize for my inaccuracy relative to Megabytes. (and likely other areas I don't even realize inaccuracy) I too prefer accuracy. I am aware of its importance in this case. As a programmer from years past, I am well aware of this continual confusion of what a megabyte is. Somewhat before Megabyte Floppies (like back in the Days of the 8 inch Floppy Disk) a meg was practically theory and it was 2^20. Relative to electronics (another life long hobby) Mega was 1,000,000 for capacitance and resistance etc. My inaccuracy in this case is ignorance of which method the software is using. I see that FDISK indicates it. I suppose that Data Lifeguard Tools, EZ Drive Software, and other software might offer this information if I looked for it specifically. Before this project of wanting to restore Hibernation Functionality while protecting my data (from hibernation I was not aware could not be disabled), most of the information I am learning from this web sites huge collection of information, did not matter. //end of ramble The point: For testing and information gathering I used your (Philip Nienhuis) method, inside another Libretto 100CT, I created the largest partition FDISK would allow. (20GB Toshiba HD was used for testing) FDISK reports Total disk space is 7978Mbytes (1Mbyte = 1048576 bytes) On my current working 100Gig HDD, the first partition I created with Data Lifeguard Tools is seen by FDISK as 7538Mbytes and again FDISK is reporting the Total Disk Space is 7978Mbytes (1 Mbyte = 1048576) I realize the method you (Philip Nienhuis) stated would be more disk space efficient. Though less efficient, my current HDD setup should theoretically have plenty of space for my BIOS Hibernation file with a 500 meg (meg=1048Kb) gap there. In my current understanding, as long as the start of my second partition is out of reach of the Hibernation BIOS Routines +/- 8Gig bug, it should be safe. Based on the above information, does anyone disagree? :) Thank you, John Martin Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 23:22:05 +0100 From: Philip Nienhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions and Outline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:34:09 -0600 (CST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions and Outline Hello Everyone... I have a few questions/ideas relative to hibernation on the Libretto 110CT. I understand that BIOS Hibernation on the Libretto is unable to see a drive larger than 8.4 gig. I also understand that BIOS Hibernation can not be completely disabled on the Libretto. My understanding is that Libretto BIOS Hibernation can be executed completely independently of the OS. Thermally or via detection of low battery are the two ways individuals from this website have stated. Procedure: Duplication of Windows 98 from a single partition 20gig drive to a 100gig Toshiba Drive. With two issues. Issue 1. Leaving the BIOS Hibernation space around the 8.4gig area of the drive, between partitions one and two. Issue 2. Preservation of my current full Windows Installation. No overlay necessary or used. Basically I want to do a hard drive upgrade with partition split AND space to accommodate the hibernation area around the 8.4Gig area of the drive. These are my questions... Question 1. How does the Libretto decide where to put the hibernation area. example: Go to end of HDD (or as much as it can see 8.4) and write the contents backwards or just back up and start to write towards the end? (direction likely doesn't make difference) John: Just a hunch: it writes towards the end. The difference *does* make a difference: Speed. Writing ( reading) backwards is terribly inefficient. Hibernation proceeds as follows: 1. Hibernation routine requests disk size from BIOS HD size routine 2. BIOS HD size routine cheats a bit, and gives an answer which leaves sufficient space for hibernation to anyone who's asking. The size of the cheat depends on another BIOS routine, i.e. the one which returns RAM size 3. Hibernation routine knows about the cheat and begins writing the RAM image starting at the next sector beyond the reported HD size. Now, not only does the BIOS HD size routine cheat, it also contains the 8 GB bug. Yes confusing, but these are two different things (see below for more). BTW one thing is sure: the hibernation image is one contiguous file (i.e., no holes or gaps in it). example: Go to end of partition and write hibernation data? Question 2. I do not have a utility to examine the hard drive data to locate the cylinders where hibernation
Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:53:13 +1100 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions and Sounds like a plan but I think you may have a couple of issues. I think Win98 is one of those operating systems that needs the drive overlay to work properly on the Libretto otherwise it can't see above the 8G mark (or can't see it properly or something - it was a while ago but I remember headaches in that area). The second issue you may have is AFAIK Win98's implementation of FAT32 doesn't work for partitions over 32GB due to its limit on cluster size so you'll need to split your 91GB'odd chunk of space into at least 3 partitions (unless you want to install, say, Win2k which in my experience responds somewhat faster than 98 anyway on the L100, perhaps due to better memory management). Good luck! - Raymond At 02:22 PM 15/11/2005 -0800, you wrote: Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 23:22:05 +0100 From: Philip Nienhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions and Outline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:34:09 -0600 (CST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions and Outline Hello Everyone... I have a few questions/ideas relative to hibernation on the Libretto 110CT. I understand that BIOS Hibernation on the Libretto is unable to see a drive larger than 8.4 gig. I also understand that BIOS Hibernation can not be completely disabled on the Libretto. My understanding is that Libretto BIOS Hibernation can be executed completely independently of the OS. Thermally or via detection of low battery are the two ways individuals from this website have stated. Procedure: Duplication of Windows 98 from a single partition 20gig drive to a 100gig Toshiba Drive. With two issues. Issue 1. Leaving the BIOS Hibernation space around the 8.4gig area of the drive, between partitions one and two. Issue 2. Preservation of my current full Windows Installation. No overlay necessary or used. Basically I want to do a hard drive upgrade with partition split AND space to accommodate the hibernation area around the 8.4Gig area of the drive. These are my questions... Question 1. How does the Libretto decide where to put the hibernation area. example: Go to end of HDD (or as much as it can see 8.4) and write the contents backwards or just back up and start to write towards the end? (direction likely doesn't make difference) John: Just a hunch: it writes towards the end. The difference *does* make a difference: Speed. Writing ( reading) backwards is terribly inefficient. Hibernation proceeds as follows: 1. Hibernation routine requests disk size from BIOS HD size routine 2. BIOS HD size routine cheats a bit, and gives an answer which leaves sufficient space for hibernation to anyone who's asking. The size of the cheat depends on another BIOS routine, i.e. the one which returns RAM size 3. Hibernation routine knows about the cheat and begins writing the RAM image starting at the next sector beyond the reported HD size. Now, not only does the BIOS HD size routine cheat, it also contains the 8 GB bug. Yes confusing, but these are two different things (see below for more). snip --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | | ICQ: 31756092 | www.raybot.net | \~/
Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 21:47:37 -0600 (CST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions Hello Raymond and thank you for the warning. I have been using this Toshiba 100GB drive for about three weeks in a couple of configurations. One configuration I used for a while was as a full single partition. It was nicely strange to see 80GB free on C. None of the programs I use had any data issues that surfaced during this time. I filled the drive to 1 gig free and had no visible problems. The only tool I use after drive swaps and modifications is a DOS run of Scandisk and Windows Scandisk with full surface scans. Can you (Raymond or anyone of course) tell me what symptoms I might watch for or any ways I might test for issues in this area? I don't recall seeing anything I felt was an issue in the archives, but I did not retain all of it. Thank you, John Martin Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:53:13 +1100 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions and Sounds like a plan but I think you may have a couple of issues. I think Win98 is one of those operating systems that needs the drive overlay to work properly on the Libretto otherwise it can't see above the 8G mark (or can't see it properly or something - it was a while ago but I remember headaches in that area). The second issue you may have is AFAIK Win98's implementation of FAT32 doesn't work for partitions over 32GB due to its limit on cluster size so you'll need to split your 91GB'odd chunk of space into at least 3 partitions (unless you want to install, say, Win2k which in my experience responds somewhat faster than 98 anyway on the L100, perhaps due to better memory management). Good luck! - Raymond At 02:22 PM 15/11/2005 -0800, you wrote: Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 23:22:05 +0100 From: Philip Nienhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions and Outline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:34:09 -0600 (CST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions and Outline Hello Everyone... I have a few questions/ideas relative to hibernation on the Libretto 110CT. I understand that BIOS Hibernation on the Libretto is unable to see a drive larger than 8.4 gig. I also understand that BIOS Hibernation can not be completely disabled on the Libretto. My understanding is that Libretto BIOS Hibernation can be executed completely independently of the OS. Thermally or via detection of low battery are the two ways individuals from this website have stated. Procedure: Duplication of Windows 98 from a single partition 20gig drive to a 100gig Toshiba Drive. With two issues. Issue 1. Leaving the BIOS Hibernation space around the 8.4gig area of the drive, between partitions one and two. Issue 2. Preservation of my current full Windows Installation. No overlay necessary or used. Basically I want to do a hard drive upgrade with partition split AND space to accommodate the hibernation area around the 8.4Gig area of the drive. These are my questions... Question 1. How does the Libretto decide where to put the hibernation area. example: Go to end of HDD (or as much as it can see 8.4) and write the contents backwards or just back up and start to write towards the end? (direction likely doesn't make difference) John: Just a hunch: it writes towards the end. The difference *does* make a difference: Speed. Writing ( reading) backwards is terribly inefficient. Hibernation proceeds as follows: 1. Hibernation routine requests disk size from BIOS HD size routine 2. BIOS HD size routine cheats a bit, and gives an answer which leaves sufficient space for hibernation to anyone who's asking. The size of the cheat depends on another BIOS routine, i.e. the one which returns RAM size 3. Hibernation routine knows about the cheat and begins writing the RAM image starting at the next sector beyond the reported HD size. Now, not only does the BIOS HD size routine cheat, it also contains the 8 GB bug. Yes confusing, but these are two different things (see below for more). snip --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | | ICQ: 31756092 | www.raybot.net | \~/ Attached files are not permitted on this list, attachment has been removed.
[LIB] Stand by / Hibernation Errors
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 21:31:18 -0300 From: Eduardo Duca [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Stand by / Hibernation Errors Machine: Libretto 110CT, 64MB RAM, 4.3G HD, Enhanced port replicator, Batt 1200mAh What happens...? I am having problems with one of the most useful functionalities of any notebook that they are Standby (Suspend to RAM) and Hibernating (Suspend to Disk). (as all know has 4 LEDs in the superior part of the panel of LCD the first of the POWER that is green while linked and orange blinking while in state of Standby (suspend to RAM), the close is LED of HD that spares comments (its lights when this reading is obviate). The third are LED of the battery that is green while this carried and orange while carrying and finally the one of fork expresses indicating that this using for the socket.) Them hour they perfectly work and hour they don't work or they work partially as I describe below. I remember that when I bought Libretto the Suspend to Disk (Hibernate) it didn't work any in way for the previous owner's fact to have removed the partition for this end of HD. I gave a resize with partition magic and I left a good part for BIOS to recreate the partition, for only then to see what remained to extend the partition of Windows again (with what it just remained type left about 80 megas.. BIOS used about 78 for the partition of suspending... oh I re-extended the partition for the 2megas what remained) didn't I do badly, right? It came with Windows 98. I formatted, I tested with Windows 2000 and it gave the same problems regarding hibernation and standby, but for other reason I ended up re-formatting again and going back to WIN98SE. Then we are going the description of what happens with each one. 1 - Suspend to RAM (standby): It rarely works... This configured correctly in BIOS in Hibernate and marked the option Suspend to Ram when I close... (That in the hardware setup that settles and it is in the control panel of Windows). But I already tested also in the option SUSPEND TO RAM of BIOS and of the in the same. The following can happen when I close the panel or it arrives the time programmed for the standby in the manager of energy or it does tie choosing to enter in standby for the menu to begin: a. Everything ok: I close the panel or etc. LED of the POWER of green it passes for orange, the panel LCD fades and Libretto is in standby. When I open the panel or of some form wake up the notebook, it returns the life usually, the light orange blinking if it turns green and some seconds later (sometimes many delaying a mouthful) Windows this as and where I had left. (but that everything is rare to happen) b. Its goes, but it returns with mistake: I close the panel of LCD or I enter in some way in the standby (suspend to RAM), LED of the POWER it is orange blinking, and when I turn it on turn with the error message in the screen Resume failure.. etc and squeeze any key, he restarts Windows of the I begin. c. It goes, but it doesn't return: I close the panel or of the time of the Power Management to enter in standby or choose in the menu to begin. LED of the POWER of green it passes for orange and it is blinking... everything ok. When I wake up the libretto LED returns the green being, the one of HD blinks very fast, but the notebook doesn't wake up. It is as if it locked the screen nor it lights is turned off even (without being black with the lit bottom and nor with cursor blinking nor anything). The only form of leaving of that to press and to hold the button of the POWER to turn off, and turn on again. In this case when Turn ON appears the message in the screen RESUME FAILURE PRESS ANY KEY TO CONTINUES and when pressing any key Windows it restarts of the I begin. (it is the case that more happens) d. doesn't go: When entering in the standby mode (suspend to RAM) the screen of LCD turns off, HD turns off, but LED of the POWER it doesn't change for orange. It continues green and lit. When pressing button POWER again no turn on it continues with green LED and with the extinguished panel and turned off HD. Only pressing and holding it POWER for him to turn off, awaiting some time for then turn on again. (If it tries turn on soon LED is soon afterwards green but HD no it wakes up and the screen doesn't, being in the same way as if the libretto didn't turn on or it woke up) e. it enters and it restarts: It enters in Standby mode, green LED is orange, it blinks two or three times and then it becomes green again, powering on the libretto and already appearing the message in the screen of it RESUME FAILURE PRESS ANY KEY TO CONTINUES. 2 - Suspend to Disk (Hibernate): Half of the times works or little more than that. The configuration as I already said is in HIBERNATE in BIOS (in spite of it ties not to have seen difference of none of the options to have tested with all of them today), in the Windows Power Management this activates
[LIB] No hibernation in W98SE on L100
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 21:50:13 + From: Matthew Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: No hibernation in W98SE on L100 For the life of me, I can't figure out how to get my L100 running W98SE to hibernate. I used to just Start Shut down Standby on my other Libbys. The left LED would blink orange for 5 minutes of so, and then the graphic would pop up showing data being written to the HDD for hibernation, and the system would shut down. I've tried setting hibernmation in BIOS and in Toshiba Power Saver, but had no success. Andyone run into this problem? Matt Libretto list info: Libretto list archive #1: http://www.technoir.nu/cgi-bin/libretto.cgi Libretto list archive #2: http://www.mail-archive.com/libretto@basiclink.com/ To unsubscribe: http://www.technoir.nu/libretto/list/2004/msg01419.html
Re: [LIB] No hibernation in W98SE on L100
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 15:11:17 -0700 (PDT) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] No hibernation in W98SE on L100 For me, it was a no-brainer. Simply make sure HIBERNATION is turned on in the Power Settings in the Contro l Panel (and the same settings for panel close/power button = hibernate). That's it. Press the button or close the LCD panel and the system hibernates to disk in a few seconds. adorable toshiba libretto The latest news and information for the Toshiba Libretto owner. http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [LIB] No hibernation in W98SE on L100
Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 01:38:52 + From: Matthew Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] No hibernation in W98SE on L100 From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] For me, it was a no-brainer. Simply make sure HIBERNATION is turned on in the Power Settings in the Contro l Panel (and the same settings for panel close/power button = hibernate). That's it. Press the button or close the LCD panel and the system hibernates to disk in a few seconds. Okay... Thanks David. That's all in the Windows Control Panel Power Management settings. I had been hunting around in the Libby's BIOS and Toshiba Power Saver settings where there are also references to hibernation. Tweaking the settings in the latter had no affect. But setting hibernation for system and panel close in the Windows power settings does get it going... Odd... I guess Windows sets the Libby BIOS, but the Libby BIOS doesn't fully enable hibernation in Windows. However as I write, I put the L70 into hibernation via the power switch while the system was docked in the EPR. And as soon as the hibernation process was completed, it instantly woke itself up with an error windows reporting Explorer had performed an illegal operation and would be shut down... :-/ Has anyone seen that problem? I think there's something wrong with this EPR. It's acted odd since I got it 2-3 years back. Once in a while PC cards either not recognized at all, have problems operating in it, or don't work in it at all. The last big problem I had with it was with those 4-5 USB 2.0 data link cables I tested a while back. Attempting to transfer data with the USB 2.0 card in the EPR always resulted in the system going into Windows' blue screen and freezing. Are there any utilities that test these EPRs for proper functioning? Matt Libretto list info: Libretto list archive #1: http://www.technoir.nu/cgi-bin/libretto.cgi Libretto list archive #2: http://www.mail-archive.com/libretto@basiclink.com/ To unsubscribe: http://www.technoir.nu/libretto/list/2004/msg01419.html
Re: [LIB] Spontaneous Hibernation
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 21:20:44 +0200 From: Christian Gennerat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Spontaneous Hibernation [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : An interesting problem is now occurring on my L100CT/W2K/64MB/40GB. Within a few minutes of a stable W2K Desktop, W2K hibernation occurs w/o any user input. The power settings are for monitor blanking first, followed by Standby after 10 minutes or so - no hibernation mode is selected in the power settings under any circumstance. If I initiate some activity (mouse, keyboard, software) after W2K loads, everything proceeds normally, and if unattended for the requisite time, the screen blanks and Standby happens as it should. The Resume process works as it should after one of these unexpected hibernations, so no real harm done. Any thoughts? Not a serious problem, but curious, anyway. Only self-defense against overheating -- -- Christian Gennerat
Re: [LIB] Spontaneous Hibernation
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 18:20:37 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Spontaneous Hibernation Christian Gennerat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 21:20:44 +0200 From: Christian Gennerat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Spontaneous Hibernation [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : An interesting problem is now occurring on my L100CT/W2K/64MB/40GB. Within a few minutes of a stable W2K Desktop, W2K hibernation occurs w/o any user input. The power settings are for monitor blanking first, followed by Standby after 10 minutes or so - no hibernation mode is selected in the power settings under any circumstance. If I initiate some activity (mouse, keyboard, software) after W2K loads, everything proceeds normally, and if unattended for the requisite time, the screen blanks and Standby happens as it should. The Resume process works as it should after one of these unexpected hibernations, so no real harm done. Any thoughts? Not a serious problem, but curious, anyway. Only self-defense against overheating -- -- Christian Gennerat Well, this occurs immediately after booting (or resuming) from a dead-cold status - so I strongly doubt whether it's had a chance to overheat. Besides, wouldn't overheating trigger a BIOS hibernation, rather than a W2K hibernation? And as I said, if any activity occurs after booting, like mouse movement or program-launching, the problem hibernation doesn't happen. So that would preclude overheating as a cause to, I think. Still wondering... Lee
[LIB] Spontaneous Hibernation
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 12:18:51 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Spontaneous Hibernation Hello all, An interesting problem is now occurring on my L100CT/W2K/64MB/40GB. Within a few minutes of a stable W2K Desktop, W2K hibernation occurs w/o any user input. The power settings are for monitor blanking first, followed by Standby after 10 minutes or so - no hibernation mode is selected in the power settings under any circumstance. If I initiate some activity (mouse, keyboard, software) after W2K loads, everything proceeds normally, and if unattended for the requisite time, the screen blanks and Standby happens as it should. The Resume process works as it should after one of these unexpected hibernations, so no real harm done. Any thoughts? Not a serious problem, but curious, anyway. Lee
Re: [LIB] 50CT and hibernation
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 8:28:46 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] 50CT and hibernation Stefan- It looks as though you made your end partition a linux one-it shouldn't be formatted as anything, just blank/empy space. At least that's what I've always done. I usually leave 50megs just to be on the safe side. Sean From: Stefan Katletz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/08/31 Tue PM 04:36:21 EDT To: Libretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LIB] 50CT and hibernation Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:36:14 +0200 From: Stefan Katletz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 50CT and hibernation Hi! I've finally upgraded my 50ct (32mb ram) with a 30GB hard disk and installed linux (Suse 8.0). Everything seems to be running fine except for hibernation: as long as the libretto is only suspended (ram is still powered and one of the leds is flashing) it recovers fine. But when it is hibernated and I switch it on again I get the error message: Warning. Can't restore hibernated state I think I have left enough empty space on the hard disk for hibernation, so is this a linux problem? How can I test hibernation in win98se (which is installed on the first partition)? BTW, in the manual I read that you should run a test program. Anyone got a copy? thanks for any suggestions stefan here is my partition table: Disk /dev/hda: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 3648 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes Device BootStart EndBlocks Id System /dev/hda1 1 1016 8160988+ b Win95 FAT32 /dev/hda2 1030 1059240975 82 Linux swap /dev/hda3 * 1060 2334 10241437+ 83 Linux /dev/hda4 2335 3648 10554705 83 Linux ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest ** ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] 50CT and hibernation
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 20:56:58 +0200 From: Stefan Katletz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] 50CT and hibernation Hi Sean, that's why I left a gap from cylinder 1017 to 1029, that's roughly 109MB and should be more than enough. Initially it was smaller, but then I had data corruption after hibernation. At least it doesn't write into the linux partition anymore... As Christian wrote, this shouldn't be the problem anyway. How do I hibernate under win98se? Maybe the bios of the 50ct doesn't support hibernation on large hard disks (8GB)? regards stefan On Wed, 2004-09-01 at 14:30, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 8:28:46 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] 50CT and hibernation Stefan- It looks as though you made your end partition a linux one-it shouldn't be formatted as anything, just blank/empy space. At least that's what I've always done. I usually leave 50megs just to be on the safe side. Sean ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
[LIB] 50CT and hibernation
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:36:14 +0200 From: Stefan Katletz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 50CT and hibernation Hi! I've finally upgraded my 50ct (32mb ram) with a 30GB hard disk and installed linux (Suse 8.0). Everything seems to be running fine except for hibernation: as long as the libretto is only suspended (ram is still powered and one of the leds is flashing) it recovers fine. But when it is hibernated and I switch it on again I get the error message: Warning. Can't restore hibernated state I think I have left enough empty space on the hard disk for hibernation, so is this a linux problem? How can I test hibernation in win98se (which is installed on the first partition)? BTW, in the manual I read that you should run a test program. Anyone got a copy? thanks for any suggestions stefan here is my partition table: Disk /dev/hda: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 3648 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes Device BootStart EndBlocks Id System /dev/hda1 1 1016 8160988+ b Win95 FAT32 /dev/hda2 1030 1059240975 82 Linux swap /dev/hda3 * 1060 2334 10241437+ 83 Linux /dev/hda4 2335 3648 10554705 83 Linux ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Hibernation Area Setup Dual Boot OS Setup
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:53:50 -0700 (PDT) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hibernation Area Setup Dual Boot OS Setup 1. HIBERNATION AREA SETUP Are you saying that this needs to be an actual separate hard drive partition With it's own drive letter (E:, etc) ?? No. Simply leave it unpartitioned -- ie. unused. Create your other partitions around this space. Partition Magic and Ranish Partition Manager and Linux partitioning software can all do this for you. If you do create a partition on this area, you can simply resize that partition using the above to move it outside of this hibernation area. Partition Information for Disk 1:57,223.7 Megabytes Volume PartTypeStatusSize MBPartSect # StartSect TotalSects = C:FAT32X Pri,Boot 40,656.7 0 1 63 83,264,832 ExtendedX Pri 12,009.5 0 0 83,264,895 24,595,515 Info: MBR Partition Table not in sequential order. EPBRLog 12,009.5 None -- 83,264,895 24,595,515 D:BACKUP FAT32 Log 12,009.5 83,264,895 0 83,264,958 24,595,452 Unallocated Pri 4,557.5 None -- 107,860,410 9,333,765 Based upon the above, what should I do to create this hibernation area properly. Please be explicit as I'm not an expert in this kind of thing! Here, the C: drive is too big (40GB) and overlays the 8GB boundary. You'll have to resize it down 8GB. Leave space after (eg. 128MB or more) for the hibernation data. Then use the rest of the HD for the extended partition. I can't say 'exactly' where the hibernation partition is since I believe it varies slightly depending on HD size and so forth, but if you leave the 1000-1100 cylinders free (try it, can't guarentee w/o testing), then you should be okay. (Otherwise, you'll have to do what I did earlier -- wipe drive space between 7-9GB empty - zeros - hibernate - unhibernate - examine HD with WinHex and see where the hibernation data was written.) 2. DUAL (Or Tri) BOOT OS SETUP Currently, have Win98SE installed as my OS. Thought I'd use Win2K (or WinXP) on another partition and Linux on another partition. Unless fellow Libretterati think it would make more sense to put Win2K (or WinXP) on my current partition and the Linux on another. Thus eliminating Win98SE altogether. So do I just use PartitionMagic to create another partition and then install OS there? Or do I need to do some other setup things as in Item 1 above regarding hibernation area, etc? Simply avoid putting a partition on the 8GB area, and you can do the above just fine -- three primary partitions for the three OSs. Doesn't matter and will work fine. Rather excessive to have both W98 and W2k on the same computer however, so I'd just pick one or the other and not install both -- unless there's just some program you have that wants the other. = adorable toshiba libretto The latest news and information for the Toshiba Libretto owner. http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Hibernation Area Setup Dual Boot OS Setup
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 19:42:32 -0700 From: Mark Srebnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hibernation Area Setup Dual Boot OS Setup Will give this a shot David! Thanks for all your help!! Mark on 6/8/04 2:53 PM, David Chien at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:53:50 -0700 (PDT) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hibernation Area Setup Dual Boot OS Setup 1. HIBERNATION AREA SETUP Are you saying that this needs to be an actual separate hard drive partition With it's own drive letter (E:, etc) ?? No. Simply leave it unpartitioned -- ie. unused. Create your other partitions around this space. Partition Magic and Ranish Partition Manager and Linux partitioning software can all do this for you. If you do create a partition on this area, you can simply resize that partition using the above to move it outside of this hibernation area. Partition Information for Disk 1:57,223.7 Megabytes Volume PartTypeStatusSize MBPartSect # StartSect TotalSects = C:FAT32X Pri,Boot 40,656.7 0 1 63 83,264,832 ExtendedX Pri 12,009.5 0 0 83,264,895 24,595,515 Info: MBR Partition Table not in sequential order. EPBRLog 12,009.5 None -- 83,264,895 24,595,515 D:BACKUP FAT32 Log 12,009.5 83,264,895 0 83,264,958 24,595,452 Unallocated Pri 4,557.5 None -- 107,860,410 9,333,765 Based upon the above, what should I do to create this hibernation area properly. Please be explicit as I'm not an expert in this kind of thing! Here, the C: drive is too big (40GB) and overlays the 8GB boundary. You'll have to resize it down 8GB. Leave space after (eg. 128MB or more) for the hibernation data. Then use the rest of the HD for the extended partition. I can't say 'exactly' where the hibernation partition is since I believe it varies slightly depending on HD size and so forth, but if you leave the 1000-1100 cylinders free (try it, can't guarentee w/o testing), then you should be okay. (Otherwise, you'll have to do what I did earlier -- wipe drive space between 7-9GB empty - zeros - hibernate - unhibernate - examine HD with WinHex and see where the hibernation data was written.) 2. DUAL (Or Tri) BOOT OS SETUP Currently, have Win98SE installed as my OS. Thought I'd use Win2K (or WinXP) on another partition and Linux on another partition. Unless fellow Libretterati think it would make more sense to put Win2K (or WinXP) on my current partition and the Linux on another. Thus eliminating Win98SE altogether. So do I just use PartitionMagic to create another partition and then install OS there? Or do I need to do some other setup things as in Item 1 above regarding hibernation area, etc? Simply avoid putting a partition on the 8GB area, and you can do the above just fine -- three primary partitions for the three OSs. Doesn't matter and will work fine. Rather excessive to have both W98 and W2k on the same computer however, so I'd just pick one or the other and not install both -- unless there's just some program you have that wants the other. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Hibernation Area Setup Dual Boot OS Setup
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 17:42:11 +0200 From: Philip Nienhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hibernation Area Setup Dual Boot OS Setup Mark Srebnik wrote: Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 11:20:57 -0700 From: Mark Srebnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Hibernation Area Setup Dual Boot OS Setup Thanks Matt and Philip for your recent advice on getting my new 60 GB hard drive working properly with EZ-Drive and about hibernation area setup. Have some questions about properly setting up hibernation area and would greatly appreciate some more advice. Don't want to screw up my hard drive! It's working well at the moment (knock on wood...). Also, have question about dual boot setup for other OS'es 1. HIBERNATION AREA SETUP When you said to: set aside 71MB partition space around the 8 GB boundary so your Libretto doesn't write over data there and referred to hibernation area Are you saying that this needs to be an actual separate hard drive partition ?? With it's own drive letter (E:, etc) ?? Or is this just some special area you create on the partition I've already created? The most illuminating answer is this: The Libretto BIOS hibernation routine couldn't care less what's in that area, it'll simply overwrite anything there. So, it is up to you decide what to put there. I did assign a partition and assigned it type A0 (= IBM hibernation partition, whatever it may be. It happened to appear in Linux fdisk's partiton type list, and when I saw it I thought: Aha). But you can leave the space just empty as well. Do not assign it a type which is native to any operating system you run. Below is a copy of my partition info report from PartitionMagic, so you can see info on how drive is setup now: : snipped Based upon the above, what should I do to create this hibernation area properly. Please be explicit as I'm not an expert in this kind of thing! Sorry I never bother, I just only look at cylinder numbers as that's what all operating systems agree on. The more since you mentioned Linux below. And in addition you've used EZ-drive, that's the moment I give up helping because then all disk info is translated while the BIOS hibernation stuff doesn't use EZ-drive. I have no experience with it. Other people on the list may help you here. BTW, only Microsoft allows partitions to not coincide with cylinder boundaries, so only with M$ OSes CHS-stuff is needed (up to 8 GB, beyond that it doesn't work for MBRs anyway). Partition boot sectors are irrelevant here. A message or so ago I wrote down the (not translated) GB numbers cylinder numbers (both mean the same thing) which you should keep free. Just do that. Now just bite the bullet... 2. DUAL (Or Tri) BOOT OS SETUP Currently, have Win98SE installed as my OS. Thought I'd use Win2K (or WinXP) on another partition and Linux on another partition. Unless fellow Libretterati think it would make more sense to put Win2K (or WinXP) on my current partition and the Linux on another. Thus eliminating Win98SE altogether. Well I personally wouldn't remove Win98, because when one installs Win2K besides Win98, locked system files from the one can easily be fiddled with from the other (as long as the primary C: partition is FAT or FAT32). But that implies one is willing to fiddle around. Otherwise, there is no need to keep Win98, I suppose. Just a hint: I found out it is possible to share most if not all programs between Win98 and Win2K (provided these programs are compatible with both OSs), simply in C:\Program Files. Turns out even IE6SP1 and Outlook and Netmeeting and everything else M$-specific can be shared. Same applies to the swap file. Also antivirus definitions updated in one OS appear updated in the other, too! Just install first in Win98 and then again in Win2K (in the same location), so that both have the proper registry keys. Some programs do not need registry keys, once installed in the one OS they just work by copying shortcuts from the other. On my Libretto/Windows web page I've outlined how to proceed with several programs. It may be needed to edit some registry keys, i.e. the Program Files directory, just go ahead and try. Philip ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] MaxBlast allegedly able to move Lib100 hibernation area?
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:33:05 -0800 (PST) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] MaxBlast allegedly able to move Lib100 hibernation area? Without EZ-Drive installed, FDISK reports the total size of the HDD as being 8GB, though it reports the correct sizes for logical drives on an extended partition that spans the 8GB boundary. Check with microsoft. recall there was some fdisk update for windows DOS or something that fixed this problem on large HDs = adorable toshiba libretto The latest news and information for the Toshiba Libretto owner. http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] MaxBlast allegedly able to move Lib100 hibernation area?
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 04:55:26 + From: Matt Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] MaxBlast allegedly able to move Lib100 hibernation area? From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Without EZ-Drive installed, FDISK reports the total size of the HDD as being 8GB, though it reports the correct sizes for logical drives on an extended partition that spans the 8GB boundary. Check with microsoft. recall there was some fdisk update for windows DOS or something that fixed this problem on large HDs Hmmm... Okay. But if I do that, is there any reason I'd still need to install EZ-DRIVE again if I'm just running flavors of Windows? Matt _ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] MaxBlast allegedly able to move Lib100 hibernation area?
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 14:31:36 -0800 (PST) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] MaxBlast allegedly able to move Lib100 hibernation area? For me this is sufficient proof that it is the extended partition type 5 rather than f which hampers plain DOS access to FAT partitions 8 GB in my case. oooh! sounds like more juicy information to keep in mind! Looks like this 8GB thing is becoming 'tougher' to deal with than a simple partition-and-go! (one reason why you should still use EZ-Drive if you don't understand this thread - at least this program will get you going w/o any problems) This is a very good find -- probably why I remember reading some people having problems and others not with partitioning 8GB HDs under DOS, but couldn't figure out what was the difference. (Guess this means I'll have to get a new 80GB HD to test out everything we've learned thus far soon) = adorable toshiba libretto The latest news and information for the Toshiba Libretto owner. http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] MaxBlast allegedly able to move Lib100 hibernation area?
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:02:06 +0100 From: Philip Nienhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] MaxBlast allegedly able to move Lib100 hibernation area? Matt Hanson wrote: snip From: Philip Nienhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] When I boot DOS and run FDISK it reads the MBR and reports my extended drive partition size correctly (44 GB, just looked) but cannot see the FAT32 partitions 8 GB. Huh... I just read that again. You're saying the 1st FDISK screen reports primary and extended partition info correctly. But then at the bottom of the screen there's an option to have the logical drive info displayed. Are you saying that your FAT32 partitions are logical drives above the 8GB boundary, and FDISK either can't display any data on them, or displays incorrect data? Yes. To be more precise: FDISK shows the correct extended partition size *and* the logical FAT32 partitions below 8 GB, but not the ones above (nor can DOS access the latter). Your question suggests I don't have FAT32 partitions below 8 GB, but I do. Yet this may be due to some tweaking I did there. My extended partition is of type 5, not f as Win9x seems to want (perhaps if it were f some int13 routines are loaded in FDISK which then may see all logical partitions). It is 5 because otherwise OS/2 Warp 3 won't recognize the extended partition at all. Win2K, Linux and -a bit to my surprise- Win98 itself don't seem to care much about the extended partition type. All I know Win98 needs the FAT32 logical partitions beyond 8GB to be of type c rather than b. To answer your question from an earlier post: But if I load Bockey's LDS100CT in DOS FDISK can. I assume you're saying that you did that just before writing about it. Right? You didn't try that when the drive was new, and un-partitioned, did you? The behaviour described is without LDS100CT loaded. I just repeated it but now LDS100CT makes no difference - I guess because it can handle only up-to-32GB HDs, mine is 60 GB. But I remember it did work OK on my 15 GB hard disk: FDISK w/o LDS100CT: not able to see logical FAT32 8 GB FDISK with LDS100CT: able. FYI: I made the complete partitioning scheme on the 60 GB HD without any overlay. I used OS/2 Warp's FDISK, helped a bit by Linux fdisk or Diskdrake to change partition types later on (OS/2 can only make FAT16 (type 6) and HPFS (type 7, just like NTFS) partition types; I needed some partitions to be changed into FAT32 (c) and native linux types (82 and 83) plus a placeholder for thehibernation area (took a0 hex for that, = IBM hibernation partition). OS/2 and Linux fdisk bypass the BIOS. It may look a bit overly complex, but I wanted the entire partition scheme to be made in one action because I had bad experiences with Win98 not properly recognizing FAT32 partitions 8 GB when the logical partitions were made in several different stages. In the end Win98 could properly see use the logical FAT32 partitons beyond 8 GB once they had been formatted by Win2K's disk manager. I just checked the partitions on my problem 20GB HDD with FDISK, and it was able to report the size of both D: and E: logical drives on an extended partition accurately. And that's both with EZ-Drive installed, and with it removed. Can you see what type your extended partition is? Philip ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] MaxBlast allegedly able to move Lib100 hibernation area?
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 02:58:47 + From: Matt Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] MaxBlast allegedly able to move Lib100 hibernation area? From: Philip Nienhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Are you saying that your FAT32 partitions are logical drives above the 8GB boundary, and FDISK either can't display any data on them, or displays incorrect data? Yes. To be more precise: FDISK shows the correct extended partition size *and* the logical FAT32 partitions below 8 GB, but not the ones above (nor can DOS access the latter). Your question suggests I don't have FAT32 partitions below 8 GB, but I do. Yet this may be due to some tweaking I did there. My extended partition is of type 5, not f as Win9x seems to want (perhaps if it were f some int13 routines are loaded in FDISK which then may see all logical partitions). It is 5 because otherwise OS/2 Warp 3 won't recognize the extended partition at all. Win2K, Linux and -a bit to my surprise- Win98 itself don't seem to care much about the extended partition type. All I know Win98 needs the FAT32 logical partitions beyond 8GB to be of type c rather than b. type c rather than b. Perhaps no so. The topic of partition types is relatively new to me. But looking at Partition Magics PartInfo output for my 20GB HDD, the primary partition and all the logical drives there are reported as 0B, or 1B (hidden). Though the next line of data for the 1st 2 logical drives seems to show the same drives as also being of a type 05: Partition Tables == Partition -Begin --End- Start Num Sector # Boot Cyl Head Sect FS Cyl Head Sect Sect Sects -- - -- -- -- 0 0 80 011 0B 324 254 63 635221062 0 1 00 [ 32501] 0F [1023 254 63]5221125 24884685 32501 1873 254 63 5221125 0 00 32511 0B 1015 254 63 5221188 11100852 5221125 1 00101601 05 [1023 254 63] 16322040 208845 101601 1028 254 63 16322040 0 00101611 1B [1023 254 63] 16322103 208782 101611 1028 254 63 16322040 1 00 [102301] 05 [1023 254 63] 16530885 13574925 102901 1873 254 63 16530885 0 00 [102311] 0B [1023 254 63] 16530948 13574862 102911 1873 254 63 Data in brackets indicates: [Large Drive Placeholders] - * Lines following data in brackets indicates: Actual Values - * * - Lines 1 and 3 above aren't described as either [Large Drive Placeholders] or Actual Values Partition Tables == The difference between 0B and 05 would seem to be related to whether the drives are being interpreted with [Large Drive Placeholders] or as Actual Values. But I confess, I dont understand what that means. I was thinking one might be read as Int 13, and one as Ext Int 13. But the information here on partition types doesnt seem to support that assumption: http://www.powerquest.com/support/primus/id4279.cfm The my partition types 05, 0B, 0C, 0F and 1B are defined there as: 05 Extended partition or Extended volume 0B 32-bit FAT 0C 32-bit FAT, EXT INT 13 0F Extended partition, Ext INT 13 1B Hidden 32-bit FAT Bear in mind this PartInfo was run on my corrupted 20GB HDD, and I dont understand why the theres no 2nd line showing the 3rd logical drive as type 05 like the 1st 2. But the 3 primary partitions in my 70CT s 40GB HDD are reported as 0B, 0B and 0C, where the 0C partition contains all space 8GB. I notice that the 1st 2 logical drives on the 20GB are 8GB, and the 3rd 8GB, yet are all referred to as type 0B. So it seems like an extended partition that straddles the 8GB point is considered type 0F 32-bit FAT. If the entire extended partition was 8GB, it would likely be a type 05. Im not clear on why logical drives within the extended partition are defined both as type 05 32-bit FAT, and as *B as 32-bit FAT. I wonder if all logical drives within extended partitions that straddle the 8GB barrier are always going to contain type 0B/05 drives, even the ones beyond 8GB. Or maybe theres a problem with my last logical drive, and it ought to be designated as a type 0C/05 or 0C/0F. To answer your question from an earlier post: But if I load Bockey's LDS100CT in DOS FDISK can. I assume you're saying that you did that just before writing about it. Right? You didn't try that when the drive was new, and un-partitioned, did you? The behaviour described is without LDS100CT loaded. I just repeated it but now LDS100CT makes no difference - I guess because it can handle only up-to-32GB HDs
RE: [LIB] MaxBlast allegedly able to move Lib100 hibernation area?
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:44:03 -0800 (PST) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] MaxBlast allegedly able to move Lib100 hibernation area? Thanks to John M. and David C. for pointing to int 13 extensions for reading on how an older system can be made to see 8GB HDD space. But with no drive overlay loaded, and booting only from a basic MS-DOS FD, why then am I still seeing my 8GB E partition? The BIOS itself can't see 8GB if it's called by regular partitioning programs such as fdisk, and because of this, it can't create partitions beyond 8GB. HOwever, there's nothing in DOS or the BIOS itself that prevents DOS/OS from seeing 8GB as long as the drive partitioning has successfully completed. That said, as far as I understand, once you've created the partitions with or without EZ-Drive, you can use the entire HD because the HD partition tables have the proper data in them. = adorable toshiba libretto The latest news and information for the Toshiba Libretto owner. http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
RE: [LIB] MaxBlast allegedly able to move Lib100 hibernation area?
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:03:57 -0800 (PST) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] MaxBlast allegedly able to move Lib100 hibernation area? Keep in mind that DOS that supports only fat16 (6.22 and earlier; win95 and earlier boot disks) won't be able to work with 8GB HDs. Win95 SR2 and later OSs support FAT32 partitioning, and fdisk when enabled with large drive support will work fine. But, the 8GB BIOS problem of the Toshiba Libretto BIOS still inteferes: Can't make a partition 8GB under DOS. This can occur if the hard disc controller does not fully support the interrupt 13 extensions. In order for a hard disc that is both larger than 8 Gbytes and using the FAT32 file system to be fully addressed, it must support interrupt 13 extensions. The file IO.SYS tests for the presence of interrupt 13 extensions, and if they are not found, uses the default CHS LBA limit of 7.9 Gbytes. This information applies to both ATA and SCSI hard disc drives. = adorable toshiba libretto The latest news and information for the Toshiba Libretto owner. http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
RE: [LIB] MaxBlast allegedly able to move Lib100 hibernation area?
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:19:38 -0800 (PST) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] MaxBlast allegedly able to move Lib100 hibernation area? OS's like Linux, Windows 2K, and XP have no problems partitioning the entire HD 8GB because they bypass the BIOS and check the HD size directly. Thus, if you use one of these OSs, of course it'll partition and work correctly! However, make sure you watch out about the 8GB hibernation boundary and partition around that and/or never do a hardware hibernation to HD - or your data will be overwritten! See Libretto Mailing List archives for more details on this problem. = adorable toshiba libretto The latest news and information for the Toshiba Libretto owner. http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
RE: [LIB] MaxBlast allegedly able to move Lib100 hibernation area?
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 07:33:23 -0700 From: Tory [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] MaxBlast allegedly able to move Lib100 hibernation area? Hi guys - I'm a new user just starting out with my first libby (110ct, 64mb ram, 40gb Fujitsu) I don't know. But the Libretto 100/110 does support int13 extensions, the only crippled one is the disk size function. When I boot DOS and run FDISK it reads the MBR and reports my extended drive partition size correctly (44 GB, just looked) but cannot see the FAT32 partitions 8 GB. But if I load Bockey's LDS100CT in DOS FDISK can. So I guess that EZ-drive left something similar behind which overrides the int13 extended disk size report function. As for Lib 70 (that's where your 40 GB HD was in, isn't it?) I don't know about the BIOS features. Perhaps EZ-drive really left some hidden int13 extensions behind. Would be a neat trick: install EZ-drive, make some fake partitions and then uninstall EZ-drive to end up with a Libretto seeing all of the HD. Better check that DOS fdisk can see all partitions too. If it can, chances are that this trick might work. Mine had no overlay software at all. Fdisked in Linux, installed Win98SE to an ~8gb partition at the front of the drive, with a 30gb extended partition at the end of the drive. Booted with a dos boot disk (Win98 setup disk). Fdisk reports total drive size of 8.x gb, with partitions showing of ~8gb (fat32), 22mb(non dos - Linux boot), 120mb (Non dos - nonsense hibernation space), and a 30gb extended partition. I didn't try to repartition anything from there, but I suspect that FDISK will show whatever the partition table says is supposed to be there, but will only let you actually modify the first 8gb or so. I also think that trying to modify the partition table would probably break it. Something weird had happened to break my 25gb FAT32 partition at the end of the drive, but not the Linux partitions. I've since formatted and am in the process of installing Win2k and Linux - I didn't know how much I'd come to hate Win98 since I'd stopped using it in favor of 2k/XP :) Tory ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] MaxBlast allegedly able to move Lib100 hibernation area?
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 20:21:53 + From: Matt Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] MaxBlast allegedly able to move Lib100 hibernation area? From: Philip Nienhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] When I boot DOS and run FDISK it reads the MBR and reports my extended drive partition size correctly (44 GB, just looked) but cannot see the FAT32 partitions 8 GB. I'm certain that MS-DOS FDISK was not able to see all of the drive space when I 1st got my 2oGB and 40GB HDDs. The 1st thing I did to set them up was to put them in one of my Libs, and use MS-DOS FDISK to create a 8GB primary partition. And at that point FDISK only reported seeing ~8GB. Ill report back on what FDISK is seeing on my L70. But if I load Bockey's LDS100CT in DOS FDISK can. I assume you're saying that you did that just before writing about it. Right? You didn't try that when the drive was new, and un-partitioned, did you? As for Lib 70 (that's where your 40 GB HD was in, isn't it?) Yes. I don't know about the (Lib 70) BIOS features. Perhaps EZ-drive really left some hidden int13 extensions behind. Yeah I wonder. But the Libretto 100/110 does support int13 extensions, the only crippled one is the disk size function. Searching for 'int13 extensions Toshiba Libretto' just now, I found an interesting statement from Ghosts version history specific to the 110CT: https://downloads.binaryresearch.net/asp/sghistory.asp Version 5.1d (6/16/99) Compatibility patch for Toshiba Libretto 110CT Notebook. I have been using a Ghost v5.x. I wonder if I ran into that problem when my problems started. Matt _ Say good-bye to spam, viruses and pop-ups with MSN Premium -- free trial offer! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200359ave/direct/01/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
RE: [LIB] MaxBlast allegedly able to move Lib100 hibernation area?
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 20:32:33 + From: Matt Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] MaxBlast allegedly able to move Lib100 hibernation area? Hi Tory! Welcome to the list. Good to see a few people here and there still getting interested in these little pets. ;-P From: Tory [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mine had no overlay software at all. Are you talking about installing an unpartitioned HDD that was fresh from the factory? Fdisked in Linux, installed Win98SE to an ~8gb partition at the front of the drive, with a 30gb extended partition at the end of the drive. At what point did you create that 30gb extended partition Tory? And with what? Booted with a dos boot disk (Win98 setup disk). Fdisk reports total drive size of 8.x gb, with partitions showing of ~8gb (fat32), 22mb(non dos - Linux boot), 120mb (Non dos - nonsense hibernation space), and a 30gb extended partition. At what point in the process did you install Linux, and set up those extra partitions? Where they created during the installation of Linux? I didn't try to repartition anything from there, but I suspect that FDISK will show whatever the partition table says is supposed to be there, but will only let you actually modify the first 8gb or so. I also think that trying to modify the partition table would probably break it. Yeah... I wouldn't make any modifications with FDISK at that point. Something weird had happened to break my 25gb FAT32 partition at the end of the drive, but not the Linux partitions. H... I'm not following this. When did that 25gb FAT32 partition get created in this process, and how? Matt _ Say good-bye to spam, viruses and pop-ups with MSN Premium -- free trial offer! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200359ave/direct/01/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] MaxBlast allegedly able to move Lib100 hibernation area?
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 00:49:45 + From: Matt Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] MaxBlast allegedly able to move Lib100 hibernation area? From: Philip Nienhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] When I boot DOS and run FDISK it reads the MBR and reports my extended drive partition size correctly (44 GB, just looked) but cannot see the FAT32 partitions 8 GB. Huh... I just read that again. You're saying the 1st FDISK screen reports primary and extended partition info correctly. But then at the bottom of the screen there's an option to have the logical drive info displayed. Are you saying that your FAT32 partitions are logical drives above the 8GB boundary, and FDISK either can't display any data on them, or displays incorrect data? I just checked the partitions on my problem 20GB HDD with FDISK, and it was able to report the size of both D: and E: logical drives on an extended partition accurately. And that's both with EZ-Drive installed, and with it removed. Funny I can read and copy most data from all partitions on this corrupted 20GB HDD in DOS, but DOS programs fail to run. It sure seems like the partitioning problem should be an easy fix if I can figure out what needs tweaking. Matt But if I load Bockey's LDS100CT in DOS FDISK can. So I guess that EZ-drive left something similar behind which overrides the int13 extended disk size report function. As for Lib 70 (that's where your 40 GB HD was in, isn't it?) I don't know about the BIOS features. Perhaps EZ-drive really left some hidden int13 extensions behind. Would be a neat trick: install EZ-drive, make some fake partitions and then uninstall EZ-drive to end up with a Libretto seeing all of the HD. Better check that DOS fdisk can see all partitions too. If it can, chances are that this trick might work. Unless EZ-Drive is leaving something behind when I uninstall it, I can only explain this by thinking that one or more of those 4 boot files might actually support int 13 extensions as part of MS-DOS v7.x (??), or Win4.1 (??) DOS OS. Still I am very curious about MaxBlast II. I had a look at Maxtor and found MaxBlast III, which (as claimed there) only supports Maxtor drives. I guess they mean officially supports. P. _ Click, drag and drop. My MSN is the simple way to design your homepage. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200364ave/direct/01/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
[LIB] MaxBlast allegedly able to move Lib100 hibernation area?
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 23:38:50 +0100 From: Philip Nienhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: MaxBlast allegedly able to move Lib100 hibernation area? Here's an excerpt from a message from Dr. Xin Feng in a reaction to a maybe too snappy message by me: (http://www.fixup.net/talk/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=39) quote 2) Once you installed an overlay program (at least the MaxBlast II, I tested it), hibernation will go to the real end of the drive, not the end of the first 8GB. I'm very sure about this, no worry. No need to leave any space between for hibernation as long as you installed overlay and partition the drive in Libretto with FDISK. /quote So Xin says that MaxBlast II (downloadable from Maxtor) fixes the biggest PITA with Libretto 100/110 disk partitioning. I find it a bit hard to believe though not impossible, but if it is true, I'll withdraw my negative remarks on disk managers immediately and recommend MaxBlast II. (I find it hard to believe because the 8 GB limit is only inside the BIOS hibernation routines; I can't imagine that MaxBlast (or for that matter, any other disk manager) is able to distinguish between write requests to the 8 GB hibernation area originating from the BIOS hibernation routines, which must be redirected to the end of the HD, and write requests to this area from user space or even the OS which are to be taken literally (and in case of DOS, vectored through the same BIOS disk routines/interrupts as used by BIOS hibernation). If indeed MaxBlast II can, it must have been specially tailored to the Libretto 100/110 as AFAIK these are the only PCs suffering from this very unique BIOS limitation.) Anybody out there with a blank 8 GB HD willing to try check it out? (as my 60 GB HD is quite completely furnished and populated by now, I don't feel much need to play with it.) Philip ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
RE: [LIB] MaxBlast allegedly able to move Lib100 hibernation area?
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 03:43:23 + From: Matt Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] MaxBlast allegedly able to move Lib100 hibernation area? From: Philip Nienhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here's an excerpt from a message from Dr. Xin Feng in a reaction to a maybe too snappy message by me: (http://www.fixup.net/talk/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=39) My head's still spinning from tests and reading up on MBRs and partitioning. But I just read through that thread on Xin's forum Philip, and saw the 3rd point he made in responding to your post: 3) Even if you partitioned a drive as described in 1), DOS scandisk will still kill all the partitions after the first 8GB. Without an overlay, DOS simply cannot see more than BIOS can, no matter how you partitioned the drive. snip 1st. I think you correctly replied saying that scandisk most probably didn't delete any partitions. I don't think scandisk is capable of modifying partition table data, is it? I've let scandisk run in DOS many, many times after a system lockup on my L100 with the 20GB HDD and 3 partitions, and it's always scanned C:. D:, and 8GB E: clearing up problems without any problems. But 2ndly... Xin's saying that DOS isn't capable of seeing any more than the 8GB HDD that the Lib's BIOS is capable of seeing. That's what I'd been assuming for years now. But as I reported in my last post to the list here, I've removed EZ-DRIVE from my 40GB HBB, booted it from a FD with only command.com, drvspace.bin, io.sys and msdos.sys on it, and was able to access my 8GB E: partition and copy files from it back to the A: FD! Thanks to John M. and David C. for pointing to int 13 extensions for reading on how an older system can be made to see 8GB HDD space. But with no drive overlay loaded, and booting only from a basic MS-DOS FD, why then am I still seeing my 8GB E partition? Unless EZ-Drive is leaving something behind when I uninstall it, I can only explain this by thinking that one or more of those 4 boot files might actually support int 13 extensions as part of MS-DOS v7.x (??), or Win4.1 (??) DOS OS. Matt _ Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage 4 plans to choose from! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
[LIB] Enlightenment: (not)-Hibernation in W98
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 11:32:00 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Enlightenment: (not)-Hibernation in W98 Just found this topic title on Toshiba's Support Bulletins list: Win98/98SE Hibernation/Standby Features not Supported on the Libretto 100CT whichs starts saying: The Hibernation and Standby features are not supported in Windows 98and 98SE on the Libretto 100CT. We recommend that you disable theHibernate and Standby features by following this procedure: and then goes on to describe disabling hibernation in W98. Guess we should be reading these bulletins. On the other hand, there is also a bulletin titled: Hibernation Mode no longer works in Windows 95/98 which says: With the Infrared Monitor enabled, hibernation mode no longer shuts off the Libretto on the 70CT and the 100CT. and: The following procedure will fix the hibernation mode on the 70CT and the 100CT Libretto computers. Boot the computer into Windows 95/98. Click Start/Settings/Control Panel. Double click the Infrared icon. Click the Options folder. In the Options folder, remove the check mark in the field Enable infrared communications. Click OK. Restart Windows 95/98. Once Windows 95/98 restarts the hibernation mode will work properly. COMMENTS: With the infrared port enabled, hibernation mode will not work due to the infrared polling continuously searching for a remote infrared port to connect to. Disabling the infrared will let the computer hibernate properly. The first bulletin is dated 2000, the second is dated 1999. Took 'em awhile to figure out that it ain't gonna work, I guess. I'll try disabling the IR, see what happens. Lee ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
[LIB] Msgsrv32.exe hibernation problems on L100
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 21:36:31 + From: Matt Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Msgsrv32.exe hibernation problems on L100 I've been having a lot of trouble trying to get my 100 to hibernate, and come out of hibernation without locking up. A CTRL-ALT-DEL brings up the 'Close Program window showing Msgsrv32.exe not responding. Same happens coming out of standby. I'm running Windows 98SE. The only way I can get the system to hibernate is to go into Windows Power Management, go to the 'Hibernate' tab and enable it, apply the setting, and then on the 'Advanced' tab set the power button to hibernate the system when it's pressed. Setting hibernation in BIOS or through Toshiba 'Power Saver' has no affect. I'm wondering if this may have something to do with the fact that I haven't yet replaced the 100's dead battery. I've restored an old Ghost image, and re-loaded W98SE, and still the problem persists. I can go into and come out of standby (suspend/resume?) without any problems BEFORE I set hibernation. After any further attempts to standby of hinernate, the system locks up after resuming. It seems only restoring the OS via image or full installation is the only way to get standby back. Any suggestions much appreciated. Matt _ Has one of the new viruses infected your computer? Find out with a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Take the FreeScan now! http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Msgsrv32.exe hibernation problems on L100
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 21:12:09 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Msgsrv32.exe hibernation problems on L100 In a message dated 11/19/03 2:40:39 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've been having a lot of trouble trying to get my 100 to hibernate, and come out of hibernation without locking up. A CTRL-ALT-DEL brings up the 'Close Program window showing Msgsrv32.exe not responding. Same happens coming out of standby. I'm running Windows 98SE. The only way I can get the system to hibernate is to go into Windows Power Management, go to the 'Hibernate' tab and enable it, apply the setting, and then on the 'Advanced' tab set the power button to hibernate the system when it's pressed. Setting hibernation in BIOS or through Toshiba 'Power Saver' has no affect. I'm wondering if this may have something to do with the fact that I haven't yet replaced the 100's dead battery. I've restored an old Ghost image, and re-loaded W98SE, and still the problem persists. I can go into and come out of standby (suspend/resume?) without any problems BEFORE I set hibernation. After any further attempts to standby of hinernate, the system locks up after resuming. It seems only restoring the OS via image or full installation is the only way to get standby back. Any suggestions much appreciated. Matt The problems you describe match those I had when I installed the Toshiba utility (hairy light bulb) *after* installing the Windows 98 Power Saver driver. Other than that, I can't offer much advice. Except to say that I have the Power Saver settings you mentioned (Hibernation Enabled with the power button set to hibernate when pressed) as standard set-up on my L100. Based on the research and advice I got when installing W98se, I believe those settings are required. FYI, my L100's hibernation has gotten flakey - sometimes it works, sometimes it won't resume. Standby still works, though. If I ever get the chance to install the 40GB drive I've got, I'm going to really, really try to get W98 set up right: dual-booting with W2K. Lee ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Msgsrv32.exe hibernation problems on L100
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 06:15:46 + From: Matt Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Msgsrv32.exe hibernation problems on L100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The problems you describe match those I had when I installed the Toshiba utility (hairy light bulb) *after* installing the Windows 98 Power Saver driver. Hmmm Interesting. I was wondering if there may have been a conflict between the Windows and Toshiba power utilities. But my search thorugh the archives didn't come up with many posts on the problem. Maybe I need to try a few other search terms. I'll look into not loading the Tosh power drivers. Other than that, I can't offer much advice. Except to say that I have the Power Saver settings you mentioned (Hibernation Enabled with the power button set to hibernate when pressed) as standard set-up on my L100. Based on the research and advice I got when installing W98se, I believe those settings are required. That was the only way I found I could get the 100 to hibernate. And I can't remember if I ever put the 100 into hibnerantion in the past. FYI, my L100's hibernation has gotten flakey - sometimes it works, sometimes it won't resume. Standby still works, though. Power management under Windows has always been flaky on a lot of various systems I've worked on. Esp. setting a timeout to shut down the monitor and HDD that always seem to forget what they're supposed to be doing. I've discovered I can just go in and load a different power scheme with different timeout values, and things start working again. If I ever get the chance to install the 40GB drive I've got, I'm going to really, really try to get W98 set up right: dual-booting with W2K. Well... other than the unstable Windows power management and dead battery, I'm looking at the possibility that an improperly set hibernation area on my 20GB HDD might have caused the problem. I had set a hidden partition for hibernation, hibernated, woke the system up, and found I had lost the partition after it. Partition Magic's PartInfo utility reported problems with partition structures. It appears that somehow that was somehow the reason for my hibernation/lockup problems. I thought I had been getting so good at setting that hibernation area using PM and WinHex after reading what Lewin Edwards had written wrote on how to calculate cylinders, sectors and heads. I got the 40GB's hibernation area set up on my L70 working well, and thought the old 20 on the 100 would be a cakewalk. But the data W98SE writes at the beginning and end of the hibernation area is not the same on the 70CT as it is on the 100CT for some reason. On the 70, I found that W98SE was actually starting the beginning of the hibernation with characters HIBERNATION in upper case. Made doing a text search for where it started really easy. So now after hibernating and recovering a few times as I write, I guess I'll try tweaking the parameters of the hibernation area once again. Matt _ Need a shot of Hank Williams or Patsy Cline? The classic country stars are always singing on MSN Radio Plus. Try one month free! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: RE: [LIB] Hibernation partition
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 9:10:46 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE: [LIB] Hibernation partition From: Fisher, Dave (IBM) [EMAIL PROTECTED] overlay software Not strictly true... I put a 20Gb drive into my CT100 and made as large a partition as I could using a plain DOS boot disk and FDISK. This created a partition which was 8Gb minus the space for the hibernation partition. I then rebooted and loaded Partition Magic (I imagine other freeware partition tools would work just as well). I then created a 200Mb partition at the end of the first one and marked it HIDDEN, then created a partition after that one to fill the rest of the disk. I then loaded Win98SE and it could see both the partitions and use all the disk... no overlay software required. Yup, I do the same with W98SE and Linux. But remember that once booted, neither linux, W98SE, and W2k+later use the bios to talk to the disc. Effectively they are their own overlay :) Neil - Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
RE: [LIB] Hibernation partition
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:42:35 -0700 (PDT) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] Hibernation partition David... Can you explain how Dave got PM to see the 8.4GB area of his HDD? And how he's able to get by without overlay? What's happening is that w/o another program such as EZ-Drive or PM, the Libretto BIOS incorrectly reports the max size of the HD through standard INT (Interrrupt) calls by software. Thus, fdisk, etc. can't create a partition bigger than 8.4GB because it can't see beyond that point - a bug in the BIOS. However, once the partitions are created (eg. has been done and reported successful when one takes the libretto HD and partitions it on the desktop then uses it in the Libretto), most programs read the size information from the partition data written on the HD alone, and works with that. --- Now while programs such as PM will let you partition 8.4GB and OSs such as Windows 2000/XP/Linux will see the entire HD regardless of size (they've got more intelligent HD size detection routines - they access the raw HD information as the HD reports, bypassing the BIOS reports), I can't guarentee that OSs other than W2K/XP/Linux will properly handle and work with data stored on a HD w/o a drive manager that has been partitioned 8.4GB by PM. That said, it's been done before (see Archives) and apparently, nobody's complained yet. me, I'm just careful and use the EZ-Drive overlay the moment I smell trouble (ie. BIOS problems). Figure EZ-Drive was designed exactly to prevent problems from bad/old/incompatible BIOSs, and my HD has been running perfectly fine for years with it with Win98SE. = adorable toshiba libretto The latest news and information for the Toshiba Libretto owner. http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Hibernation partition
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 23:53:56 -0700 (PDT) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hibernation partition Unformattted, unpartitioned, unused period. that's how you leave that hibernation space 'free' for the Libretto. Anything else would introduce formattting that would get destoryed the moment you hibernate. = adorable toshiba libretto The latest news and information for the Toshiba Libretto owner. http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
RE: [LIB] Hibernation partition
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:05:07 +0100 From: Fisher, Dave (IBM) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] Hibernation partition You need drive overlay software to work around the Lib's 8.4GB BIOS limitation. Many list members have used the free EZ-Drive v9.09W successfully. Not strictly true... I put a 20Gb drive into my CT100 and made as large a partition as I could using a plain DOS boot disk and FDISK. This created a partition which was 8Gb minus the space for the hibernation partition. I then rebooted and loaded Partition Magic (I imagine other freeware partition tools would work just as well). I then created a 200Mb partition at the end of the first one and marked it HIDDEN, then created a partition after that one to fill the rest of the disk. I then loaded Win98SE and it could see both the partitions and use all the disk... no overlay software required. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
RE: [LIB] Hibernation partition
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:59:58 + From: Matt Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] Hibernation partition From: Fisher, Dave (IBM) [EMAIL PROTECTED] You need drive overlay software to work around the Lib's 8.4GB BIOS limitation. Many list members have used the free EZ-Drive v9.09W successfully. Not strictly true... I put a 20Gb drive into my CT100 and made as large a partition as I could using a plain DOS boot disk and FDISK. This created a partition which was 8Gb minus the space for the hibernation partition. I then rebooted and loaded Partition Magic (I imagine other freeware partition tools would work just as well). I then created a 200Mb partition at the end of the first one and marked it HIDDEN, then created a partition after that one to fill the rest of the disk. I then loaded Win98SE and it could see both the partitions and use all the disk... no overlay software required. David... Can you explain how Dave got PM to see the 8.4GB area of his HDD? And how he's able to get by without overlay? Matt _ Concerned that messages may bounce because your Hotmail account has exceeded its 2MB storage limit? Get Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
RE: [LIB] Hibernation partition
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 05:07:34 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] Hibernation partition Thank you Lewin, this really helps! Now to get partition Magic 8. Dick Sullivan Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:57:27 -0400 From: Lewin A.R.W. Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hibernation partition Matt Hanson, or anyone else who may know, what do you make the partition at the 8G barrier for hibernation. Is it a logical drive (like H), or unformatted blank space, or what? It doesn't have to be anything; it doesn't even have to be covered by a ptable entry. The reason for putting it in the ptable is so that you know where it is, and nothing else encroaches on it. -- -- Lewin A.R.W. Edwards ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
[LIB] Hibernation partition
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:03:57 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Hibernation partition Matt Hanson, or anyone else who may know, what do you make the partition at the 8G barrier for hibernation. Is it a logical drive (like H), or unformatted blank space, or what? I have to upgrade my Partition Magic to ver 8, and I might as well get it right the first time. Kind regards, Dick Sullivan ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Hibernation partition
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:57:27 -0400 From: Lewin A.R.W. Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hibernation partition Matt Hanson, or anyone else who may know, what do you make the partition at the 8G barrier for hibernation. Is it a logical drive (like H), or unformatted blank space, or what? It doesn't have to be anything; it doesn't even have to be covered by a ptable entry. The reason for putting it in the ptable is so that you know where it is, and nothing else encroaches on it. -- -- Lewin A.R.W. Edwards (http://www.larwe.com/) Learn how to develop high-end embedded systems on a budget! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0750676094/zws-20 ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
[LIB] BIOs Hibernation with XP Pro
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 05:32:44 -0500 From: Nick Rees [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LIB] BIOs Hibernation with XP Pro Hi, I've just upgraded my 110CT to 64MB RAM and a 40GB HDD. Having installed XP Pro with multiple partitions (each partition has a different purpose, System, Documents, Games, etc.) i'm wanting to configure the system for BIOS hibernation. Basically I like the idea of pressing the power switch and hibernating my machine that I could do with the 98SE installation that I had previously. I'm not using EZ-BIOS or anything like it as XP sees the entire disk with no problem. My questions are : 1) Can I get BIOS hibernation to work with XP? 2) Can I get the power switch to hibernate my system? 3) Where should I reserve disk space for the hibernation partition? I have a copy of Partition Magic 7 running on the machine, it's helped to create the partition layout that I have. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Kind regards, Nick Rees. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] BIOs Hibernation with XP Pro
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 09:36:28 -0400 From: Lawrence Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] BIOs Hibernation with XP Pro Answers to your questions: (1) No, you can not. XP has its own hibernation methods. (2) Yes. Once you turn on the hibernation on XP, you can config your power button as hibernation. (3) If you're using XP hibernation, it will save into file system. XP will reserve that space for you. If you intend to use BIOS hibernation, it's maybe too late for you. BIOS hibernation always writes to the disc location starts with cylinder number 1024 no matter how you partition your disc which means if ever there is a BIOS hibernation (like when battery is almost drained), you data near that location will be overwritten. - Original Message - From: Nick Rees [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Libretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 6:35 AM Subject: [LIB] BIOs Hibernation with XP Pro Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 05:32:44 -0500 From: Nick Rees [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LIB] BIOs Hibernation with XP Pro Hi, I've just upgraded my 110CT to 64MB RAM and a 40GB HDD. Having installed XP Pro with multiple partitions (each partition has a different purpose, System, Documents, Games, etc.) i'm wanting to configure the system for BIOS hibernation. Basically I like the idea of pressing the power switch and hibernating my machine that I could do with the 98SE installation that I had previously. I'm not using EZ-BIOS or anything like it as XP sees the entire disk with no problem. My questions are : 1) Can I get BIOS hibernation to work with XP? 2) Can I get the power switch to hibernate my system? 3) Where should I reserve disk space for the hibernation partition? I have a copy of Partition Magic 7 running on the machine, it's helped to create the partition layout that I have. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Kind regards, Nick Rees. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest ** ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] BIOS Hibernation with XP Pro
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 09:41:26 -0500 From: Nick Rees [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] BIOS Hibernation with XP Pro Hi, thanks for your reply Lawrence. I was going to ask about the BIOS hibernation, as I left it running for a few hours and when I returned it had hibernated itself using the BIOS method. How can I configure the power button as the hibernation trigger? There doesn't appear to be the usual power button/close lid options that i've seen previously. I know XP saves to a file on the root of C when it hibernates, seen that happen before. I have also reserved some space at the 1024 cylinder boundary in case of BIOS hibernation so I don't lose any data. As i've got 64MB i've actually reserved 100MB just in case. It's a 40GB disk, 100MB is nothing . . . Kind regards, Nick. Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 09:36:28 -0400 From: Lawrence Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] BIOs Hibernation with XP Pro Answers to your questions: (1) No, you can not. XP has its own hibernation methods. (2) Yes. Once you turn on the hibernation on XP, you can config your power button as hibernation. (3) If you're using XP hibernation, it will save into file system. XP will reserve that space for you. If you intend to use BIOS hibernation, it's maybe too late for you. BIOS hibernation always writes to the disc location starts with cylinder number 1024 no matter how you partition your disc which means if ever there is a BIOS hibernation (like when battery is almost drained), you data near that location will be overwritten. - Original Message - From: Nick Rees [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Libretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 6:35 AM Subject: [LIB] BIOs Hibernation with XP Pro Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 05:32:44 -0500 From: Nick Rees [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LIB] BIOs Hibernation with XP Pro Hi, I've just upgraded my 110CT to 64MB RAM and a 40GB HDD. Having installed XP Pro with multiple partitions (each partition has a different purpose, System, Documents, Games, etc.) i'm wanting to configure the system for BIOS hibernation. Basically I like the idea of pressing the power switch and hibernating my machine that I could do with the 98SE installation that I had previously. I'm not using EZ-BIOS or anything like it as XP sees the entire disk with no problem. My questions are : 1) Can I get BIOS hibernation to work with XP? 2) Can I get the power switch to hibernate my system? 3) Where should I reserve disk space for the hibernation partition? I have a copy of Partition Magic 7 running on the machine, it's helped to create the partition layout that I have. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Kind regards, Nick Rees. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest ** ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest ** -- ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] BIOS Hibernation with XP Pro
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:50:20 -0400 From: Lawrence Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] BIOS Hibernation with XP Pro Assume you have ACPI enabled and properly updated BIOS (version 8.0 or later) before install XP. Go to control panel \ Power options. Make sure hibernation is turned on in Hibernate page. Then go to Advanced page, you can configure what action to take when you press power button or close the lid. - Original Message - From: Nick Rees [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Libretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [LIB] BIOS Hibernation with XP Pro Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 09:41:26 -0500 From: Nick Rees [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] BIOS Hibernation with XP Pro Hi, thanks for your reply Lawrence. I was going to ask about the BIOS hibernation, as I left it running for a few hours and when I returned it had hibernated itself using the BIOS method. How can I configure the power button as the hibernation trigger? There doesn't appear to be the usual power button/close lid options that i've seen previously. I know XP saves to a file on the root of C when it hibernates, seen that happen before. I have also reserved some space at the 1024 cylinder boundary in case of BIOS hibernation so I don't lose any data. As i've got 64MB i've actually reserved 100MB just in case. It's a 40GB disk, 100MB is nothing . . . Kind regards, Nick. Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 09:36:28 -0400 From: Lawrence Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] BIOs Hibernation with XP Pro Answers to your questions: (1) No, you can not. XP has its own hibernation methods. (2) Yes. Once you turn on the hibernation on XP, you can config your power button as hibernation. (3) If you're using XP hibernation, it will save into file system. XP will reserve that space for you. If you intend to use BIOS hibernation, it's maybe too late for you. BIOS hibernation always writes to the disc location starts with cylinder number 1024 no matter how you partition your disc which means if ever there is a BIOS hibernation (like when battery is almost drained), you data near that location will be overwritten. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] BIOs Hibernation with XP Pro
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:51:11 + From: Matthew Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] BIOs Hibernation with XP Pro From: Nick Rees [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Libretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] My questions are : 1) Can I get BIOS hibernation to work with XP? 2) Can I get the power switch to hibernate my system? 3) Where should I reserve disk space for the hibernation partition? Real quick, as I'm flying out the door... I have XP pro set up on my o/ced 100CT, and hibernation came as a part of the default installation... well, for me at least. I haven't tried the power switch, but 'Start Turn Off Computer Hibernate (You have to hold down the Shift button over 'Standby' there)' does it for me. If you let the mouse pointer float over 'Standby' for an info balloon pops up. Matt _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] BIOS Hibernation with XP Pro
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 23:50:27 + From: Matthew Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] BIOS Hibernation with XP Pro From: Lawrence Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] Assume you have ACPI enabled and properly updated BIOS (version 8.0 or later) before install XP. Go to control panel \ Power options. Make sure hibernation is turned on in Hibernate page. Then go to Advanced page, you can configure what action to take when you press power button or close the lid. Great tip! Thanks Lawrence. Matt _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 08:06:52 -0400 From: Gennadiy Tsygan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 Deleting cookies or temp files will not give you Blue screen. The worst effect of loosing cookies will be that web sites remembering you login and preferences will forget them until you login manually next time. I had the Blue screen because Windows page file was damaged by hibernation. Deleting cookies will not save any significant amount of space anyway. - Original Message - From: Renita Herrmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Libretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 1:56 AM Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 22:55:28 -0700 From: Renita Herrmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 I just have to say, I stomped 6 dozen cookies and no bsod. No chocolate chips, they all had to go. Really, though, no problems. I went back and counted them (still in the recycle bin, I'm am superstitious! That was 3 weeks ago. R - Original Message - From: neil barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Libretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:40:06 + From: neil barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:30:39 +0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 The critical thing being though (I suspect) that you were stomping them when the system was running, rather than pausing it mid-operation, stomping them, and completing the operation. Enquiring minds want to know... You're dead right. I'm not thinking there could never be a glitch - just that my hunch is it would never be terminal, and that as it would be restricted to IE, cookies, history, and other temporary Internet files, nothing would be lost that's of any value to me. I think you may be thinking optimistically - if you build a separate partition, there must be a file system data structure - the FAT - and if you stomp that, then you *will* get a bsod, if not then, then next time the files are accessed. _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest ** ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest ** ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:38:44 + From: neil barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 08:06:52 -0400 From: Gennadiy Tsygan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 Deleting cookies or temp files will not give you Blue screen. The worst effect of loosing cookies will be that web sites remembering you login and preferences will forget them until you login manually next time. I had the Blue screen because Windows page file was damaged by hibernation. Deleting cookies will not save any significant amount of space anyway. My point is not that the cookies and temp files are required, but that you'll get a blue screen if you destroy the files system on which they are stored. If the FAT points to something that isn't there, it will read garbage back to the program - if it can parse it at all, it won't be happy with what it parses. If it can't it will probably crash - people don't seem to test things by throwing random numbers at them anymore :) If the fat is damaged, then it will in all likelyhood bluescreen when the file access occurs as the pointers will be all over the place. _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 00:38:09 +0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 Deleting cookies will not save any significant amount of space anyway. The suggestion was not just cookies, it was cookies + history + temporary Internet files ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 00:38:03 +0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 My point is not that the cookies and temp files are required, but that you'll get a blue screen if you destroy the files system on which they are stored. If the FAT points to something that isn't there, it will read garbage back to the program - if it can parse it at all, it won't be happy with what it parses. If it can't it will probably crash - people don't seem to test things by throwing random numbers at them anymore :) If the fat is damaged, then it will in all likelyhood bluescreen when the file access occurs as the pointers will be all over the place. Is the FAT info always at the beginning of the partition? (ie, if the emergency harware-hibernate space fell in the *middle* of a cookies-history-temporary Internet files partition...) ? ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:06:51 + From: neil barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 00:38:03 +0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 Is the FAT info always at the beginning of the partition? (ie, if the emergency harware-hibernate space fell in the *middle* of a cookies-history-temporary Internet files partition...) ? I believe so - still gonna complain if you trash a file though... _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:57:19 + From: Matthew Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 From: Gennadiy Tsygan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Deleting cookies or temp files will not give you Blue screen. The worst effect of loosing cookies will be that web sites remembering you login and preferences will forget them until you login manually next time. I had the Blue screen because Windows page file was damaged by hibernation. Deleting cookies will not save any significant amount of space anyway. From: neil barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] The critical thing being though (I suspect) that you were stomping them when the system was running, rather than pausing it mid-operation, stomping them, and completing the operation. Neil, I'm not quite sure what you mean when you say, ..stomping them when the system was running, rather than pausing it mid-operation... I've deleted cookies many many times during a Windows session by just clicking in the Windows Explorer frame with the list of cookies, doing a CTRL-A to select-all, and SHIFT-DEL to delete permanently. But what do you mean by. ..rather than pausing it mid-operation...? You obviously have something nefarious up your sleeve in Gatesian terms. Just what are you intending to pause mid-operation? Matt (I'll probably find you've already addressed this by the time I get through all of today's many posts!) _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 20:02:39 + From: Matthew Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 From: neil barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] If the fat is damaged, then it will in all likelyhood bluescreen when the file access occurs as the pointers will be all over the place. And what did you have in mind to do that would cause this to happen? M. _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 22:38:45 + From: neil barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 20:02:39 + From: Matthew Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 From: neil barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] If the fat is damaged, then it will in all likelyhood bluescreen when the file access occurs as the pointers will be all over the place. And what did you have in mind to do that would cause this to happen? Oh, just chewin' the fat... I'm not doing anything, but it's been proposed to put a temp filesystem into the hibernation area. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 22:42:34 + From: neil barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:57:19 + From: Matthew Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 From: Gennadiy Tsygan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Deleting cookies or temp files will not give you Blue screen. The worst effect of loosing cookies will be that web sites remembering you login and preferences will forget them until you login manually next time. I had the Blue screen because Windows page file was damaged by hibernation. Deleting cookies will not save any significant amount of space anyway. From: neil barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] The critical thing being though (I suspect) that you were stomping them when the system was running, rather than pausing it mid-operation, stomping them, and completing the operation. Neil, I'm not quite sure what you mean when you say, ..stomping them when the system was running, rather than pausing it mid-operation... I've deleted cookies many many times during a Windows session by just clicking in the Windows Explorer frame with the list of cookies, doing a CTRL-A to select-all, and SHIFT-DEL to delete permanently. But what do you mean by. ..rather than pausing it mid-operation...? You obviously have something nefarious up your sleeve in Gatesian terms. Just what are you intending to pause mid-operation? Matt See the earlier reply - the proposal is to share a filesystem with cookies and temp files on it and the hibernation partition. file system accesses should be atomic (i.e. they start, complete, and stop and nothing happens to the structure of the filesystem while they do it) but the hibernation can interrupt the process between (say) a read and a write, or between a write and a FAT update. Or, the data that the FAT points to *after* the hibernation is not the same as was there before. This is generally a Bad Thing[tm] _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 10:13:44 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 At 06:41 AM 26/04/2002 -0700, you wrote: Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:38:44 + From: neil barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 08:06:52 -0400 From: Gennadiy Tsygan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 Deleting cookies or temp files will not give you Blue screen. The worst effect of loosing cookies will be that web sites remembering you login and preferences will forget them until you login manually next time. I had the Blue screen because Windows page file was damaged by hibernation. Deleting cookies will not save any significant amount of space anyway. My point is not that the cookies and temp files are required, but that you'll get a blue screen if you destroy the files system on which they are stored. If the FAT points to something that isn't there, it will read garbage back to the program - if it can parse it at all, it won't be happy with what it parses. If it can't it will probably crash - people don't seem to test things by throwing random numbers at them anymore :) If the fat is damaged, then it will in all likelyhood bluescreen when the file access occurs as the pointers will be all over the place. Actually, I don't think this is a valid point because as long as the first few meg of the disk isn't affected, the FAT will be intact. Its just that some things that it points at will be stuffed. This actually caused me a few problems working with a Compaq machine once ... I deleted the existing (whole disk) partition, re-created it a few meg up (in preparation to add the diagnostics partition at the beginning of the disk) but things stuffed up ... ran a disk diagnostics tool and it picked up the OLD copy of the FAT (because I hadn't erased the beginning of the disk yet) ... *sigh* file systems do weird things don't they? - Raymond P.S. I'm running a bit behind on the list, apologies if I'm answering questions that have already been answered! --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 10:10:55 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 At 05:11 AM 26/04/2002 -0700, you wrote: Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 08:06:52 -0400 From: Gennadiy Tsygan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 Deleting cookies or temp files will not give you Blue screen. The worst effect of loosing cookies will be that web sites remembering you login and preferences will forget them until you login manually next time. I had the Blue screen because Windows page file was damaged by hibernation. Deleting cookies will not save any significant amount of space anyway. I don't think the problem is deleting the cookies or temp files. That in itself isn't a problem because Windows will just recreate them as necessary or whatnot. The danger is if they're corrupted. Windows sees the file there, it sees that the header is intact (which is quite possible) so it might just assume the file is fine ... then it hits the corruption. Written properly, it should just junk the file and start again however you don't know what might happen ... especially if the file is mainly text (such as a cookie) and gets partially overwritten with text (quite possible if you've got a lot of text in RAM). Its a bit like the good ol' C programmer's nightmare ... you've got a pointer which is wrong but you don't know it and it gives you the right answer most of the time because it just so happens to point to stuff that looks awful similar to what it was supposed to point to so your program doesn't actually realize anything is wrong until you have to demonstrate it to your boss ... - Raymond P.S. I'm running a bit behind on the list, apologies if I'm answering questions that have already been answered! --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 10:36:42 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 At 01:01 PM 26/04/2002 -0700, you wrote: Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:57:19 + From: Matthew Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 From: Gennadiy Tsygan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Deleting cookies or temp files will not give you Blue screen. The worst effect of loosing cookies will be that web sites remembering you login and preferences will forget them until you login manually next time. I had the Blue screen because Windows page file was damaged by hibernation. Deleting cookies will not save any significant amount of space anyway. From: neil barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] The critical thing being though (I suspect) that you were stomping them when the system was running, rather than pausing it mid-operation, stomping them, and completing the operation. Neil, I'm not quite sure what you mean when you say, ..stomping them when the system was running, rather than pausing it mid-operation... I've deleted cookies many many times during a Windows session by just clicking in the Windows Explorer frame with the list of cookies, doing a CTRL-A to select-all, and SHIFT-DEL to delete permanently. But what do you mean by. ..rather than pausing it mid-operation...? You obviously have something nefarious up your sleeve in Gatesian terms. Just what are you intending to pause mid-operation? Like you say, Neil has probably answered this but I might as well add my bit ... when its partway through writing something, it expects what it just wrote to still be there when it gets back to writing it after a hibernation. If it isn't then once it finishes it goes back to check or analyze something, it finds what it wrote to be missing and it freaks. Now being the well written software that it is, Internet Explorer is likely to start swearing at you before stomping its feet and walking out, knocking the whole setup over as it goes. - Raymond P.S. I'm running a bit behind on the list, apologies if I'm answering questions that have already been answered! --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 23:58:50 -0400 From: Gennadiy Tsygan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 I need to stress that my experiences are based solely on my L110 running WinXP. With XP and Win2000 hibernation is controlled by the OS, so hardware hibernation is a rare, emergency occasion. That's why an occasional blue screen is acceptable. The risk of ruining filesystem exists, but it didn't happen in my test on NTFS. System bluescreened , I rebooted and everything worked fine. Cookies and temp files just don't take enough room to count for useable savings. Of course, you can assign 80 MB temp files, but it will be a waste itself. I found that even 5MB is adequate. To fill out the hibernation space I will use a swapfile or some files I don't mind loosing, like copies of MP3's from my home PC. With MP3 files no blue screen should happen. This is how my partitions look like. -8.3GB C:\--140MB E:\3.5GB D:\-- My point is not that the cookies and temp files are required, but that you'll get a blue screen if you destroy the files system on which they are stored. If the FAT points to something that isn't there, it will read garbage back to the program - if it can parse it at all, it won't be happy with what it parses. If it can't it will probably crash - people don't seem to test things by throwing random numbers at them anymore :) If the fat is damaged, then it will in all likelyhood bluescreen when the file access occurs as the pointers will be all over the place. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Hibernation / EZ-BIOS strangeness
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 02:48:33 -0500 From: Lines, Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hibernation / EZ-BIOS strangeness I left space at the very end of the drive and, guess what, no corruption. And - it then un-hibernated to exactly where it was before??? Hi David, That's the really strange thing that I cannot understand and leads me to believe I'm smoking something. Unhibernate works perfectly, and it couldn't possibly do so without extended int13. It *could* have been something else, admittedly. I installed partition magic 7 and it notified me that the CHS reported for my large partition didn't match some other count, and fixed it. I then resized the partition down, and no corruption has happened since. Very strange. The reason I ask is that the FAQ seems to hint that the end of a large drive would be used, as does Dr Xin. But I'm probably reading that wrong ;-) Cheers, Nick. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Hibernation / EZ-BIOS strangeness
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:31:27 +0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hibernation / EZ-BIOS strangeness I left space at the very end of the drive and, guess what, no corruption. And - it then un-hibernated to exactly where it was before??? That's the really strange thing that I cannot understand and leads me to believe I'm smoking something. Unhibernate works perfectly, and it couldn't possibly do so without extended int13. When I partitioned and formatted my 30GB drive, then re-installed my Win'98 (no overlays, managers, utilities - zilch) 4.3GB, I was able to access the entire 30GB of the big drive via a PCcard caddy. Even DOS could see it. However, glitches quickly developed and then it disappeared. Neil put forward a very likely and entirely plausible sounding explanation which I am at a loss to repeat, other than to cut'n'paste it below. Maybe the same thing (or something similar) is happening? - Libretto 110, 4.3GB HDD, Win'98, no other software involved - external HDD caddy with PCcard connection - 30GB Fujitsu HDD - 3 partitions, all FDISK'd in L110 as follows:- - 1 - 7.77GB FAT32 - FDISK'd from DOS with Win'98 boot diskette - 2 - 78.2MB FAT32 - FDISK'd with Win'2K - 3 - remainder (20+ GB) FAT32 - FDISK'd with Win'2K 7.77GB = 8,348,737,536 bytes 78.2MB = 82,073,600 bytes The Libretto running Win'98 / Windows Explorer showed all three partitions on the external HDD(!!!) straight away when the PCcard was inserted. I copied 3GB of data (39,792 files, 2,888 folders) from the (internal) 4.3GB HDD to the first (sub-8GB) partition on the (external) 30GB HDD - no problems. Then, on the external 30GB drive - still using Win'98 / Windows Explorer - I copied the same 3GB of data from the first (sub-8GB) partition to the third (last 20GB) partition - but this time a handful of files were rejected as uncopyable - bad links / bad files names. A short while after this was completed, while playing around and looking for signs of anything being amiss, all three partitions of the external HDD disappeared from Windows Explorer and could not be persuaded to return no matter what. Trust me, I tried everything. Finally I removed the 4.3GB HDD from the Libretto, replaced it with the 30GB HDD and ran Win'2K - a check of the copied files threw up a further handful of errors on the third (last 20GB) partition. No problems were found with the external caddy setup when the 4.3GB HDD was subsequently installed and plugged into the PCcard slot of the Win'2K powered Libretto. Howzat? Tentative conclusion: w98 is probably getting the disk info from the partition table - so it sees the presence of the post 8G space - but it isn't immune from the ills of the 8G bios when it's accessing it. Now I'm tempted to ask - knowing full well that the MS answer is 'it's fixed in W2k and later' - what the hell MS were playing at when they claim that the disk drivers are 32 bit? As logically, if they don't use the bios as claimed (which is why you have to get drivers for e.g. ata100 drives), it should not be affected by the bios limitations. Presumably w98 still has some bits working in contemptability mode. Thanks, MS! Neil ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Hibernation / EZ-BIOS strangeness
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 17:46:30 + From: Matthew Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hibernation / EZ-BIOS strangeness From: Lines, Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] I left space at the very end of the drive and, guess what, no corruption. And - it then un-hibernated to exactly where it was before??? Hi David, That's the really strange thing that I cannot understand and leads me to believe I'm smoking something. Unhibernate works perfectly, and it couldn't possibly do so without extended int13. It *could* have been something else, admittedly. I installed partition magic 7 and it notified me that the CHS reported for my large partition didn't match some other count, and fixed it. I then resized the partition down, and no corruption has happened since. Nick, If I recall correctly (always have to qualify my poor memory recollections), I was warned not to use PM for some operations with drive overlay software installed. Seems you're experiences were positive though! Matt _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Hibernation / EZ-BIOS strangeness
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:36:00 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hibernation / EZ-BIOS strangeness At 10:51 AM 24/04/2002 -0700, you wrote: Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 17:46:30 + From: Matthew Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hibernation / EZ-BIOS strangeness From: Lines, Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] I left space at the very end of the drive and, guess what, no corruption. And - it then un-hibernated to exactly where it was before??? Hi David, That's the really strange thing that I cannot understand and leads me to believe I'm smoking something. Unhibernate works perfectly, and it couldn't possibly do so without extended int13. It *could* have been something else, admittedly. I installed partition magic 7 and it notified me that the CHS reported for my large partition didn't match some other count, and fixed it. I then resized the partition down, and no corruption has happened since. Nick, If I recall correctly (always have to qualify my poor memory recollections), I was warned not to use PM for some operations with drive overlay software installed. Seems you're experiences were positive though! That was probably me. In the end I did manage to get PM working with EZ-Bios but only just ... when I ran it, it also reported a pile of errors, I told EZ-Bios to fix them (after using Norton Ghost to take a sector-by-sector image of the whole hard drive just in case!) ... it all still seems to be working at the moment. I don't recall EZ-Bios causing any changes to the way my L50 or L100 hibernated, they seemed to have the same abilities and problems before and after I put the 20 gig hard drive in ... - Raymond --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:20:59 +0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 May be the best way to approch partitioning with minimal waste of the useable space will be to make the hibernation space sized to safe 150 MB, create partition and put Windows pagefile on it (Optimal pagefile size = 2.5xRAM). I can't remember exactly, but I don't think that loss of the pagefile will cause damage to the OS. What is your opinion? If you hibernate, the OS gets stopped short. When it comes back, it will try and carry on where it left off, and will expect the swap files to be where it left them. Only you'll have just trashed them with the hibernate data... Blue screen of death seems a likely next option... I was about to (attempt to) say exactly the same thing. I wondered about using it for IE's Cookie/History/Temporary Internet files. ? ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 08:40:10 + From: neil barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:20:59 +0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 and carry on where it left off, and will expect the swap files to be where it left them. Only you'll have just trashed them with the hibernate data... Blue screen of death seems a likely next option... I was about to (attempt to) say exactly the same thing. I wondered about using it for IE's Cookie/History/Temporary Internet files. ? Though it would be nice to trash those cookies as a rule, I suspect that stomping on files that are in use either side of the hibernation event, no matter how useless they are, is probably going to cause hiccups. Might be a nice experiment for someone who uses IE? Neil _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:50:35 +0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 Though it would be nice to trash those cookies as a rule, I suspect that stomping on files that are in use either side of the hibernation event, no matter how useless they are, is probably going to cause hiccups. Might be a nice experiment for someone who uses IE? Before I got my 30GB HDD, and when my 4.3GB was fit to burst, I did a lot of Cookie/History/Temporary Internet file stomping; although it may not have been the most scientific of appraisals, it left me with a relatively confident hunch that they are unequivocally stompable (ie in a way that I know page/swap files are not). As far as I could tell, it's all stuff that IE looks for and, if it's been zapped, recreates a default setup. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
[LIB] Hibernation / EZ-BIOS strangeness
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:00:12 -0500 From: Lines, Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LIB] Hibernation / EZ-BIOS strangeness hi all Just thought I'd report some findings back to you. I installed a 20GB drive into my 50CT and, after *much* cursing (we're talking cursing on a grand scale here) I got the right EZBIOS working. However, data on my large partition at the end of my drive (9GB-20GB) was getting corrupted, despite it being well out of range of the standard hibernation area at cylinder 1016-1024 or thereabouts. I left space at the very end of the drive and, guess what, no corruption. So I'm guessing my 50 is hibernating by making calls through the EZ-BIOS int13 replacement. but this doesn't really make sense - how does it know to use the extended int13 when reloading on resume My brain hurts. If anyone has the canonical answer to this, it would be appreciated. And if someone wants to send me a drive walker or other mythical beast, I'll do the search and find out exactly where the thing is hibernating to... Nick. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Hibernation / EZ-BIOS strangeness
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:35:28 +0400 From: Gennadiy Tsygan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hibernation / EZ-BIOS strangeness This is exactly what I noticed. Hibernation killed my OS installed in the beginning of the second partition! The OS was WinXP, so I didn't have to use EZBIOS - hi all Just thought I'd report some findings back to you. I installed a 20GB drive into my 50CT and, after *much* cursing (we're talking cursing on a grand scale here) I got the right EZBIOS working. However, data on my large partition at the end of my drive (9GB-20GB) was getting corrupted, despite it being well out of range of the standard hibernation area at cylinder 1016-1024 or thereabouts. I left space at the very end of the drive and, guess what, no corruption. So I'm guessing my 50 is hibernating by making calls through the EZ-BIOS int13 replacement. but this doesn't really make sense - how does it know to use the extended int13 when reloading on resume My brain hurts. If anyone has the canonical answer to this, it would be appreciated. And if someone wants to send me a drive walker or other mythical beast, I'll do the search and find out exactly where the thing is hibernating to... Nick. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest ** ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Hibernation / EZ-BIOS strangeness
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:48:42 +0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hibernation / EZ-BIOS strangeness I left space at the very end of the drive and, guess what, no corruption. And - it then un-hibernated to exactly where it was before??? ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:49:09 + From: neil barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:50:35 +0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 Though it would be nice to trash those cookies as a rule, I suspect that stomping on files that are in use either side of the hibernation event, no matter how useless they are, is probably going to cause hiccups. Might be a nice experiment for someone who uses IE? Before I got my 30GB HDD, and when my 4.3GB was fit to burst, I did a lot of Cookie/History/Temporary Internet file stomping; although it may not have been the most scientific of appraisals, it left me with a relatively confident hunch that they are unequivocally stompable (ie in a way that I know page/swap files are not). As far as I could tell, it's all stuff that IE looks for and, if it's been zapped, recreates a default setup. The critical thing being though (I suspect) that you were stomping them when the system was running, rather than pausing it mid-operation, stomping them, and completing the operation. Enquiring minds want to know... Neil _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
[LIB] Drive Partitioning (Was: Hardware Hibernation)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:12:25 +0400 From: Gennadiy Tsygan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Drive Partitioning (Was: Hardware Hibernation) I decided to put our discussion to the test. Take a look what I did and post you comments! 1 Boot with Partition Magic and create max size (8.4GB) FAT32 partition 2 Install XP 3 Boot with Partition Magic and shrink existing partition 70 MB from its end 4 Boot XP. Use Disk Administrator to create 150 MB NTFS partition after existing one. Assign letter E. Creat folder TEMP 5 Create NTFS partition for the rest of the drive. Assign letter D 6 Change user and system TEMP and TMP enviroment variables to point to E:\temp 7 Assign swap file sized 70-120 MB to E: and remove it from C: 8 Change Temporary Internet files to E: Test procedure 1 Normally hybernate XP. 2 Reboot with DOS floppy 3 BIOS hybernate the PC 4 Resume 5 Reboot in XP Got BSOD STOP 0x0077 KERNEL_STACK_IMAGE_ERROR 7 Hard reboot 8 Chose delete restoration data when prompted and Boot XP ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Drive Partitioning (Was: Hardware Hibernation)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:36:48 +0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Drive Partitioning (Was: Hardware Hibernation) I decided to put our discussion to the test. Take a look what I did and post you comments! Um! All I can say is that when I went through all this, I was thinking one step at a time, and testing each step as I went along. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:40:06 + From: neil barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:30:39 +0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 The critical thing being though (I suspect) that you were stomping them when the system was running, rather than pausing it mid-operation, stomping them, and completing the operation. Enquiring minds want to know... You're dead right. I'm not thinking there could never be a glitch - just that my hunch is it would never be terminal, and that as it would be restricted to IE, cookies, history, and other temporary Internet files, nothing would be lost that's of any value to me. I think you may be thinking optimistically - if you build a separate partition, there must be a file system data structure - the FAT - and if you stomp that, then you *will* get a bsod, if not then, then next time the files are accessed. _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 06:12:15 +0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 I think you may be thinking optimistically - if you build a separate partition, there must be a file system data structure - the FAT - and if you stomp that, then you *will* get a bsod, if not then, then next time the files are accessed. Agreed - so yes, the worst case scenario could be worse than I described. So, my revised hunch / further speculation... ;-) Everything on that partition is expendable - what would the worst case now be? That the partition needs formatting? I also suspect that might actually never happen - if the FAT is right at the beginning, and the hibernation data is written (starting) from the end of the partition, backwards - and the space you have to reserve (78MB) is several MB bigger than the amount of data actually written... ? ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 06:45:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Kevin McClelland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 On Sun, 21 April 2002, Gennadiy Tsygan wrote Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 23:08:48 -0400 From: Gennadiy Tsygan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 I guess that Windows overrides the BIOS because selection has no effect while in Windows. I checked the power button before OS was loaded and it worked as you said. Still have no idea why hardwarehibernation doesn't work under Windows. I used a L100 before, it had WinXP loaded on a second partition. Once it went into hibernation and killed the XP completely. Bu my current L110 just doesn't hibernate. How hibernate works will also depend on your OS. Win9x uses BIOS hibernation to the hidden hibernation partition, while Win2K creates a file to hibernate, and ignores the BIOS. I think Win2K will only hibernate using BIOS when battery power is exhausted. The last time I installed Win9x on my L100, it took some time to get hibernation to even show up under power save settings. Had to make sure I had the correct power save drivers from Toshiba. - Get your free @Elvis e-mail account at Elvis.com! http://www.elvis.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:24:45 +0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 I think Win2K will only hibernate using BIOS when battery power is exhausted. As I understand it, Win'2K *cannot* do a BIOS hibernate. Also, Win'2K cannot intercept the hardware hibernate - no OS can. So, your Libretto gets too hot and does a thermal shutdown - there are no options for this, you can't configure it to do something else instead, and you can't disable it. It just hibernates where the BIOS thinks the end of the HDD is, even if that is actually in the middle of your drive, and no matter if that space is reserved for the hibernation dump or filled with your precious data. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re[2]: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 19:42:00 +0400 From: Gennadiy Tsygan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re[2]: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 Yes, I understand the hibernation idea. I just found it strange that 100 hibernated when battery died (and screwed my OS in process), while 110 simply shuts down. Not a big deal, because XP hibernation is faster. The whole purpose of the excersize was to make sure that this time I got the partitioning right. I think Win2K will only hibernate using BIOS when battery power is exhausted. As I understand it, Win'2K *cannot* do a BIOS hibernate. Also, Win'2K cannot intercept the hardware hibernate - no OS can. So, your Libretto gets too hot and does a thermal shutdown - there are no options for this, you can't configure it to do something else instead, and you can't disable it. It just hibernates where the BIOS thinks the end of the HDD is, even if that is actually in the middle of your drive, and no matter if that space is reserved for the hibernation dump or filled with your precious data. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:05:57 +0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 Yes, I understand the hibernation idea. I just found it strange that 100 hibernated when battery died (and screwed my OS in process), while 110 simply shuts down. Sounds like on the 100, both Win'2K(?) Alarm settings were disabled, plus the OS was using the space that the BIOS regards as the hibernation zone? On the later system, are you saying it won't attempt to hibernate, or that it tries to hibernate but does not succeed? BTW for me, the easiest way to do a BIOS hibernate (for hibernation space testing purposes, etc) is to boot from a floppy to a DOS prompt, then switch off with the power button in the lid. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re[2]: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 22:17:39 +0400 From: Gennadiy Tsygan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re[2]: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 Sounds like on the 100, both Win'2K(?) Alarm settings were disabled, plus the OS was using the space that the BIOS regards as the hibernation zone? Yes, only OS was XP- almost the same thing as 2000 On the later system, are you saying it won't attempt to hibernate, or that it tries to hibernate but does not succeed? On 110 it doesn't try, just shuts down. BTW for me, the easiest way to do a BIOS hibernate (for hibernation space testing purposes, etc) is to boot from a floppy to a DOS prompt, then switch off with the power button in the lid. I powered L110 off during the OS selection menu and it hibernated OK. Looks like I am safe, but to be sure I think, I will have to fill up both partitions, hibernate, and run scandisk. I still have doubts about the crash of the old L100. I had the largest possible first partition with Win98 and second partition with XP. After hibernation XP was dead. But shouldn't the hibernation data be written in the end of the first partition, not in the beginning of the second one? Or may be my first partition was a little smaller and second one started a little earlier? ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 01:51:58 +0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 I powered L110 off during the OS selection menu and it hibernated OK. Looks like I am safe, but to be sure I think, I will have to fill up both partitions, hibernate, and run scandisk. No! - Scandisk will only report problems if file system data is overwritten. What I suggest is:- Create first partition from DOS boot disk, and select size one step below the maximum available (so approx 8GB, less 7 MB). Install Win'2K. Create 7MB buffer partition (7MB FAT is smallest partition possible). Create 78MB partition (71MB proved too small on my L110/64MB RAM) Create another 7MB buffer partition Completely fill the 7MB and 78MB partitions with .JPG files. Power down; boot from floppy; hibernate. Re-boot to Win'2K. View the .JPG files (thumbnails in Windows Explorer). The .JPGs in the 78MB partition should be trashed. The .JPGs in the 7MB partitions should be OK. I still have doubts about the crash of the old L100. I had the largest possible first partition with Win98 and second partition with XP. After hibernation XP was dead. How big was the space you left between the partitions? But shouldn't the hibernation data be written in the end of the first partition, not in the beginning of the second one? I think the hibernation data is written from the end of the disk backwards, towards the beginning - so it's the same starting point for the write no matter how much memeory you have installed, and a different amount of space is reserved depending on how much memory you have installed. So yes, if it overwrites something, most likely is the beginning of the following partition. Or may be my first partition was a little smaller and second one started a little earlier? Check for evidence in the 7GB buffer partitions. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: Re[2]: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 15:02:06 -0400 From: Lawrence Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 - Original Message - From: Gennadiy Tsygan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Libretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 2:21 PM Subject: Re[2]: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 I powered L110 off during the OS selection menu and it hibernated OK. Looks like I am safe, but to be sure I think, I will have to fill up both partitions, hibernate, and run scandisk. I still have doubts about the crash of the old L100. I had the largest possible first partition with Win98 and second partition with XP. After hibernation XP was dead. But shouldn't the hibernation data be written in the end of the first partition, not in the beginning of the second one? Or may be my first partition was a little smaller and second one started a little earlier? Sounds like you misunderstand how Lib BIOS hibernation works. It writes data to a specific location (specifically a specific cylinder number) in the disk no matter how the disk is partitioned. When create a partition that includes that location, the BIOS hibernation will overwrite that partition data. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 19:22:29 + From: Matthew Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 On Sun, 21 April 2002, Gennadiy Tsygan wrote Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 23:08:48 -0400 From: Gennadiy Tsygan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 I guess that Windows overrides the BIOS because selection has no effect while in Windows. I checked the power button before OS was loaded and it worked as you said. Still have no idea why hardwarehibernation doesn't work under Windows. I used a L100 before, it had WinXP loaded on a second partition. Once it went into hibernation and killed the XP completely. Bu my current L110 just doesn't hibernate. The fact that hibernation killed XP could possibly have been due to the L110's BIOS forcing hibernation on a HDD bigger than 8GB with drive overlay software set up to access the 8GB area. If you don't create a small 40MB-80MB hibernation partition at the 8GB boundry, the L110 BIOS will write over any data there that's there. If the L110 BIOS has some reason like loosing battery power, it can override settings in W2000 (am not sure about XP) to write hibernation at the end of the HDD, and will write it to the 8GB where it thinks the HDD space ends. Matt _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 20:41:04 -0400 From: Gennadiy Tsygan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 May be the best way to approch partitioning with minimal waste of the useable space will be to make the hibernation space sized to safe 150 MB, create partition and put Windows pagefile on it (Optimal pagefile size = 2.5xRAM). I can't remember exactly, but I don't think that loss of the pagefile will cause damage to the OS. What is your opinion? ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 06:06:56 + From: neil barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 20:41:04 -0400 From: Gennadiy Tsygan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 May be the best way to approch partitioning with minimal waste of the useable space will be to make the hibernation space sized to safe 150 MB, create partition and put Windows pagefile on it (Optimal pagefile size = 2.5xRAM). I can't remember exactly, but I don't think that loss of the pagefile will cause damage to the OS. What is your opinion? If you hibernate, the OS gets stopped short. When it comes back, it will try and carry on where it left off, and will expect the swap files to be where it left them. Only you'll have just trashed them with the hibernate data... Blue screen of death seems a likely next option... Neil (I haven't tried this, but it seems likely) _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 23:08:48 -0400 From: Gennadiy Tsygan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hardware hibernation in L110 I guess that Windows overrides the BIOS because selection has no effect while in Windows. I checked the power button before OS was loaded and it worked as you said. Still have no idea why hardwarehibernation doesn't work under Windows. I used a L100 before, it had WinXP loaded on a second partition. Once it went into hibernation and killed the XP completely. Bu my current L110 just doesn't hibernate. I want to check if I partitioned my 12GB HD correctly and trying to invoke Libretto's hibernation by disabling Windows service and using discharged battery. I tried all power-up modes in BIOS (boot, hibernate, resume), but laptop simply shuts off when battery is depleted. It hibernated only when battery died while I was in BIOS. What is the way to control the hibernation? And what those power-up modes mean? Thanks Boot Starts the way a normal computer would. hibernate: Records all it needs to know to the Harddisk. You should get a nice image as it reads what it needs from the HD, or writes to it. resume: Power down all subsystem, but keep memory active Power button well send into each mode depending on how bios is configured. Pressing and holding the power button in will force a cold boot, if data on harddrive gets scrambled. Lid can also be configured in bios to start resume, or send it into resume mode. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Hibernation re W2000
Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 19:02:47 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Hibernation re W2000 At 01:55 AM 9/03/2002 -0800, you wrote: Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:06:33 - From: George Derby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Hibernation re W2000 I have XP which is a pretty version of W2000 on my computer - both XP and W2000 have their own hibernation arrangements and bypass the Bios - the bios hibernation, I understand no longer follows the rules as before. ... until your libby needs to do an emergency hibernation before the OS starts up (such as if say you have a STOP error on bootup and don't realize it). On a similar note, for some reason my L100 doesn't seem to want to hibernate when its battery runs out, it just shuts off (and reboots with 'cannot restore hibernated state') ... anyone else had this problem? I can get it to hibernate manually (in Windows APM, set it to hibernate on button press then press the power button for instance). For that matter, is there a nice APM utility (such as the Linux APM command) that can do things like list battery life left, manually hibernate (I know Xin has a utility but under 98 it only suspends), etc.? - Raymond --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Now hibernation under win2k ?
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 14:40:34 + From: Jon C [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Now hibernation under win2k ? Hi Konrad I've got a L110 running Win2k SP2 and the Win2k hibernation works fine with my libby... As far as I know, the Toshiba hibernation is disabled by Win2k's ACPI. Also the Win2k hibernation data is stored in a 64mb file on your Windows drive rather than at the end of the disk Toshiba's hibernation puts it. Jon Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:35:05 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Now hibernation under win2k ? So, I upgraded to win2k SP2, still had my original problem with cpuinf32. Fixed that and now I noticed that hibernation does not work properly under win2k Namely, when hibernating, win2k hibernation takes over instead of the Toshiba hibernation (the disk saving picture thing). Also, when waking up from hibernation, it never makes it, just sits there and then suggests to discard hibernation data and restart. I would liek to fix this, works otherwise quite well. If not, I have a disk image of my 98 install and might revert to that. Does anyine have the Toshiba hibernation working properly under win2k ? Thanks Konrad Szwab, EE Systems Engineer / Network Administrator Alcon Houston, (713) 295 4329 ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest ** -- ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Now hibernation under win2k ?
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 08:44:33 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Now hibernation under win2k ? At 11:15 AM 1/03/2002 -0800, you wrote: Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 14:44:01 -0500 From: Pres Waterman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Now hibernation under win2k ? ... How do you diagnose a general a device or program will not allow standby. Please shut that device or program off and try again ( more or less ) error message? I mean, I can tell because it always happens with Street Atlas when tracking in the serial port, but I would like to know if it can be forced Well Xin at www.fixup.net (?) has a number of executables that can force hibernation/suspend under Win9x/2k ... I had the same problem with the IrDA driver holding open the serial port and disabling 'normal' hibernation but I think Xin's 'try then force' version does a similar thing as the libby's own 'critical suspend' thingy (such as battery low) and forces its way round. He does make a mention that it IS risky ... after all, the libby is resisting suspend for a reason ... but I use it because often I suspend, shut the lid and put the libby back in its box whilst its still in the process of suspending (when I'm in a hurry) and I DON'T want it to still be running when its in an enclosed box! - Raymond --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] L100 Hibernation
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 06:54:50 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] L100 Hibernation At 08:53 AM 27/02/2002 -0800, you wrote: Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:49:38 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: L100 Hibernation Got it. Go to power settings adnaced and select when press power button to hibernate instead of shutdown. Duh. Heh perhaps I should read my emails in reverse order so I don't end up answering emails that have been answered. Just out of interest, did you apply both the Win95 power saver thingy (bundled in Win95 controls) as well as the WIn98 power saver thingy or did you just apply the 98 version? - Raymond --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
APOLOGY! 100CT, W98, Disk Manager Hibernation [LIB]
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 18:50:12 +0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: APOLOGY! 100CT, W98, Disk Manager Hibernation [LIB] No, no, NO! How could this complete misinformaiton exist, just because is sounds similar? I agree completely - what a shambles, it's a disgrace! Whoever posted such codswallop deserves to be thrown off the list! What are you looking at me like that for? OK, OK, apologies, I confess - I'm the guilty party ;-) The problem I had was with Msmsgs / MSMSGS.EXE and *not* Msgsrv32 Sorry! In a feeble attempt at mitigation, I can only add that I did e-mail Lee direct not long after to the effect I've just come to the conclusion that msgsrv32 Is NOT the problem I had - but you're dead right, I failed to send something similar to the list... so: SORRY SORRY SORRY BTW the Msmsgs / MSMSGS.EXE *was* an uninvited PITA. Check your task list - it creeps up on you unexpectedly ;-) ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
