Re: Star Office 7
Chong Yu Meng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Wed, 05 Nov 2003 10:16:09 +0800 Bruce Marshall wrote: Well gee... I guess at 65 and having bought from Sun, I feel 2. times better than you do... :-) That's amazing ! I thought most of the people on this list were in their 30's, because you guys sound so young ! I'm probably the youngest here, I expect (I'm 34). But I am also very aware of time being in short supply , but money is also one of my main worries! Grow up doesn't have to mean dry up. These good folks sound so young because they still get excited about learning new stuff. (Some of us are just getting selective about what new stuff to bother with.) My G'ma took her first computer class at 80. It never occured to her that she might be old until she helped sign her daughter up for senior citizens. I just assume that the list are all "My kind of people" and have fun with new stuff. -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Novell buys SuSE!
"Leon A. Goldstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tue, 04 Nov 2003 17:55:29 -0500 Collins Richey wrote: The feedback on Linux Today is a mixture of SCO take your [EMAIL PROTECTED] and stuff it, KDE will die (the Novel/XIMIAN connection), and bemoaning the loss of European control of a major linux distro. I would think(hope) that Novell has learned something since the Unix debacle. The initial press release indicates that Novell will push the desktop offerings. Since RedHat has chosen to concentrate on servers, this merger (if well executed) could provide the impetus to bring linux to a lot more of the commercial desktop user market. Maybe you won't need to signup with MS, Roger, to hasten the demise of MS! Some of us remember what happened to DR DOS and Word Perfect after Novell bought them. It is not auspicious IMHO. Back in those days Novell had other options and revenue streams. Those represented a attempt to move WAY out of their core business. Today things are different. Novell is flailing away in a desperate attempt to remain relevant in corporate IT and as a business. I think the acquisition nicely complements the only things they have left to offer their customers. -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Has open software gone nuts?
Collins Richey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:38:07 -0600 http://www.forbes.com/2003/10/14/cz_dl_1014linksys.html This type of legal-schmegal wrangling is what we expect from SCO and its brethren. It smells no better when it comes from OSS. If copyrights are not enforced the courts rule that they are not enforcable. The GPL is very clear that if you choose to use GPL code, you must release your changes, with source, to the general community. You can always choose to write your own. This does have bearing on the SCO circus. If the GPL is not defended, some elements of the case get even more muddy and linux could lose more than just the FUD war. -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Stupid RPM, or just me???
James McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fri, 10 Oct 2003 23:27:17 +1000 Collins Richey wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 18:25:36 -0500 Michael Hipp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Could somebody tell me what I'm doing wrong, or is RPM a Microsoft conspiracy to make Linux look bad: I love it! Will file this away. RPM, like any other software product, has syntax that must be learned. That being said, any package manager that does not do dependancy resolution is borken, from my perspective. So that raises a question. What application can replace rpm and provide dependency resolution? Suggestions anyone. I am probably confused, but isn't this an issue that apt-get is supposed to fix? -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
RE: SCO Woes III: 6 weeks later. I still can't buy a license from SCO.
Condon Thomas A KPWA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thu, 9 Oct 2003 16:19:08 -0700 Hasn't it occurred to you that they don't want to sell you a license because if their IP claims are proven false... they could be charged with fraud?? It's just more smoke and mirrors. Fraud is a criminal charge. It would only be fraud if it could be proven that they had *intent* to defraud in full knowledge that they had no valid claim to the IP. Proving that they just weren't mistaken (which so far is not illegal) would be extremely difficult. Their *civil* liability, in the event they are proven wrong, is entirely another matter. Perhaps we'd best all start documenting our emotional stress and other symptoms to support the class action suit they should be receiving as soon as they are determined to be in error. Hey, if someone can collect $10M because you did not warning them that the hot coffee they just bought is hot, you ought to be able to collect for this kind of #^&%^, er, FUD. This is making a *HUGE* assumption, i.e. that there will be some entity, with money, to collect from when the FUD settles. Of course it could help to keep the thing from rising from the grave once we drive a stake through it's heart. -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mounting a Novell Files system partition
Ben Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fri, 03 Oct 2003 07:13:34 -0500 I need to mount a disk partition that has ben formatted in NWFS-386. Anyone got any idea how do to that? Be gentle with me since I know absolutely nothing about Novell, except how to spell it ... Looking at the partition types in fdisk I get type 'bb' and 'c1' as novell partitions. I can't figure which it which right now but one is the old netware 2.15c version file system and the other is netware 3.x file system. The problem may be if large blocks were used. In 3.11 and later there is a really cool way to store big chunks in blocks and store all the bits and pieces from the files in a single large block. Big performance improvement but I don't know of anything other than netware and one of those *REALLY* expensive drive recovery places that could read it. Is it possible to load netware and recover the drive? Netware is small, should fit in the swap partition. -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Backing up debian
Joel Hammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tue, 30 Sep 2003 22:45:58 -0400 I am finally making my cheapo lindows box into a honest machine by installing a backup program. I just mount a drive on another computer, run find -newer somedate and tar them and zip them. Works OK. I fine tune what files to tar with sed /file/d. Now, my question is, on a debian machine, since I would be restoring from CD for the operating system and I will download almost all my software from the warehouse, what do I really need to backup? I have to get my boot directory and /usr/local and /root and /home, but anything else? I would want at least one good backup of /etc. I snapshopt mine every other week so I don't have to go back forever with incremental. -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: from an sco press release today
Collins Richey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:27:30 -0600 On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:13:12 -0400 dep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: that having been said, i have every confidence in the ability of david boies to do for sco what he did for algore. Excuse me? I thought the only thing he did for algore was to push him to questionable election practices (recounting only certain districts) that the Supremes had to resolve. I think that was the point. This guy does for law what a frightened octopus does to water as far as clarity is concerned. He did get M$ labeled as a monopoly. That was effective. -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: recording wavs
Michael Hipp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mon, 29 Sep 2003 07:49:16 -0500 Squabsy wrote: I still don't understand why any of the above limits would create a problem when I'm trying to record a wav file that would be 500k at most. I would propose a test: - Create or find a test file of about 1M bytes - Do this over and and over ... 'cat 1mfile >> bigfile.wav' and see if the problem can be reproduced as that file grows (and outside of sound card and recording software issues). Be sure to do it in the same user account, directory and partition as the recording. I have updated to a newer Kernal but it doesn't seem to have made any differance. How would I go about increasing the file size limit ? Why does it need so much space to create a wav in linux. The wav file takes the same amount of space on Linux as it would on any other O/S - it's a relatively simple calculation of bits x channels x rate x time = file size. This will eventually turn out to be something simple (they always do) and you'll feel good for the experience of having persisted thru it ;-) I propose yet another test. Use knoppix and try recording again. I am not ready to retire my col or SuSE systems but I kinda like the way knoppix works. -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: cablemodem and wireless network
Ken Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sun, 28 Sep 2003 11:03:39 -0700 Ted Ozolins wrote: A router would only be used if more than one computer is hooked up to the cable modem. ( hopefully with some kind of a firewall) Although I have a linksys 4 port which does make an excellent firewall, with port forwarding and stuff like that. Quite useful, and setup is accessable using a web browser. I like the SMC routers with the printer and backup modem dialout capability. One potential gotcha, sometimes the cable modem connection to the router needs a crossover cable rather than a straight through. -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: X-server sounds
Brad De Vries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:08:56 -0700 (PDT) I have a RH7.3 box and a WinXP box running Cygwin. While sitting at the XP box, running Cygwin, I can make a connection to the RH box using the Cygwin X-server and run all the normal X stuff. However, I can not get the sound from any X-client applications to come through to the speakers on the XP box. 1) Is this concept even possible? 2) If so, any ideas on how? The original X specification predates sound on most computers. To the best of my (limited) knowledge, transmitting sound has never been incorporated into the X specification. I think the concept is not currently possible with X. There are a few alternatives to X in various stages of alpha test. Some of those may do sound. (I read about them in Linux Magazine a few months back so I know they exist. That is enough to start looking if I need them.) -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT: Here we go again ...
dep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sat, 20 Sep 2003 11:37:54 -0400 for a touch of perspective: http://www.suntimes.com/output/roeser/cst-edt-roes20.html My last comment on this topic. I lived in Missouri while Ashcroft was Governor. I met him several times working with youth in government. While Ashcroft is a political animal, he is also a man of deep religous conviction and impecable integrity. If he were not, he would have stayed in the senate. His sense of honor did not allow him to counter Jean Carnahan's mud when she was newly widowed. That said, I KNOW that the media about Ashcroft is lies and possibilities. My concern is the steady encroachment of law against liberties that has taken place over the past decade. With people afraid, our liberties can dwindle faster, if we let them. I am not going down without a fight. -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Upgrading RH8 to RH9 - accounts?
Kurt Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:52:53 -0400 Quoth Alma J Wetzker: Michael Hipp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:23:07 -0500 Net Llama! wrote: Why would you need to cheat? Are you using the 'upgrade' optoin from the RH9 Installer, or do you mean, reload the box fresh with RH9? If you're reloading, then you need to backup all of /home and backup /etc/passwd, /etc/group & /etc/shadow So if I backup the files mentioned above and by Keith Morse, the accounts will be there just as they were before and won't have to be re-entered? That should keep all your data. Owner information may be a problem with the /home stuff depending in how you do it (a real backup that preserves owner/group data as opposed to a cp from a backup CD for instance.). I think the accounts need to exist for the data to keep the owners. The files and directories will retain the UIDs and GIDs, so when the proper password and group files are restored, the UIDs and GIDs will map to the appropriate names. I thought that if I cp'd stuff to a CDR that the owner changed to who cp'd the files. I haven't tried gziping them and uzgziping but I thought the owner was the one who did the restore. (I vaguely remember an option on *zip to preserve owner, but I never used it.) I know with tar or cpio ownership can be preserved. Is the owner preserved now regardless of how the restore is done? -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Upgrading RH8 to RH9 - accounts?
Michael Hipp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:23:07 -0500 Net Llama! wrote: Why would you need to cheat? Are you using the 'upgrade' optoin from the RH9 Installer, or do you mean, reload the box fresh with RH9? If you're reloading, then you need to backup all of /home and backup /etc/passwd, /etc/group & /etc/shadow Yes, sorry, wrong word. I'm doing a clean install of RH9. (I don't trust upgrades.) So if I backup the files mentioned above and by Keith Morse, the accounts will be there just as they were before and won't have to be re-entered? That should keep all your data. Owner information may be a problem with the /home stuff depending in how you do it (a real backup that preserves owner/group data as opposed to a cp from a backup CD for instance.). I think the accounts need to exist for the data to keep the owners. Can you install RH9 on the new disk and then mount the old disk and mv the stuff that way? (I don't know, I am asking.) -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT: Here we go again ...
"David A. Bandel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:34:28 -0500 On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 07:21:25 -0500 Michael Hipp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] But I'm dreaming again. If that flagship of New Americanism (Dept. of Homeland Implosion) can't see it, then likely will few others. You're scary. Is this what Americans (US Citizens in this context) think of this Homeland Security thing? If so, holy fsck. I have to wonder if the solution to all our problems is more bureaucrats. The only thing scarier is an efficient bureaucracy. My Dad, who grew up in East Germany until the wall went up, is scared. He is familiar with the real SS and, even worse, the Russians. I am not real sure what the options are. It is not a Dem. vs GOP thing, it is a government vs citizen thing. Our watchdog NGO's are more concerned with crosses on government property (Arlington will be next) than any freedoms promised in the constitution. Thanks to our wonderful foreign policy over the past two decades, there are a small group of nuts who want to kill me bacause of where I was born. The economy is not real great anywhere either. I try to work with the system but it feels like climbing uphill in peanut butter. The line from Casablanca is "They're sleeping everywhere in America." Heaven help us. Homeland Security, since its inception, has looked and sounded like a new Nazi SS. I didn't server 20 years in the US Military to have the US turned into a police state, but it looks more and more like that every day. To wit: The feds had been after a major drug manufacturer (a chemist who was making crack, etc, in large quantities). I agree he should be jailed forever. But ... The feds couldn't catch him under the normal rules, so they relabeled him a chemical weapons manufacturer and grabbed him under the new anti-terrorism laws. I'm sorry, but this abuse of power by power-hungry agencies is way beyond reasonable. While I'm glad the bastard´s in jail, I'm extremely unhappy with the way he got there. Welcome to the Police State of America (where you might be next for using Linux instead of M$). I expect the RIAA will start pushing to label file sharers as terrorists next. I'm appalled and disgusted and glad to be living outside the US at this point in time. -- Alma Sure the US constitution has its flaws, but it is a damned sight better than what we have now. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: A contented linux user
Collins Richey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sun, 14 Sep 2003 10:34:04 -0600 [ snips ] On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 09:50:49 -0400 Joel Hammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I can't help but compare this situation to the drug industry. We Americans pay more for pharmaceuticals because we respect copyright laws ... This can't go on, and already Americans are finding out ways to buy cheaper drugs from Canada. This will of course lead to fundelmental changes in the pharmaceutical industry, that is to say, a lot less drug research and a lot fewer new drugs. Wrong, in true American fashion, this will only lead to new draconian laws that make it highly illegal for Americans to purchase cheaper drugs from abroad. The American drug companies will be protected at all costs. Extant laws will do. If the drug companies change any step in the production or packaging of the product, the FDA must reaprove the process. So changing the final packaging will make the drugs illegal in the US. Problem solved. -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
SCO speaks the truth
Darl explains his open letter to the OSS community. http://computerworld.com/newsletter/0,4902,84819,00.html?nlid=PM My take on it is that he isn't telling us which code is infringing because he doesn't want it removed. What he wants is a revenue stream from linux sales. Check it out, straight from the horses mouth. -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
RE: GTK Ticked-Off
Condon Thomas A KPWA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:53:22 -0700 James McDonald wrote: Yes, in an ideal world there would be a stable API for everything, and new versions would not be a big problem. Pigs will fly first. In the interests of equal time, "the rules" allow breaking compatibility between major revisions, and the jump from 1.x to 2.x certainly qualifies as a major revision. It would be nice if greater effort were expeneded to ensure backward API compatibility. I noticed that in some of the backwardly compatible API's developers are saddled with the good and the bad from a previous implementation and the extra effort to maintain compatibility. Doesn't the re-implementation of certain API's help to create what could be a great leap forward when the newer version comes out I'm not a developer but isn't gtk2 far superior to gtk1.x? Backward compatibility is fine, as long as it doesn't limit you. How long did Windows really have DOS as its base because of backward compatibility and how long did that hold back *real* PC advances? [How many of you fought the "extended memory" wars to get around 640K?] One working method of advancing while maintaining the API backward compatibility is to "deprecate" functions -- to mark them as no longer the approved method, and flag them as a warning in the compiler, but continue to honor them. You provide the "new" function with a different name, and you write the API the way you now think it should be, but you don't remove the old one. The documentation should also include a link between deprecated functions and the new functions that should replace them. See the Java development model for examples of this. I don't see how backward compatibility is a limiting factor. (I have needed to maintain and upgrade libraries and API's in a business setting.) The tasks you need to accomplish are largely the same, no matter the version. New functions are always new and create incentive for the new library. Why do the function calls/parameters need to change at all? If you need more/fewer parameters or to change the name to make it fit into a naming scheme, you simply keep the old call as a call to the new function (preserving assumptions for parameter changes). The examples of DOS or LIM/EMS/DPCI are not germaine. Those legacy relics existed either because a proprietary scheme was trying to take control of the technology or because development focus resisted changing of underlying structure while advancing on other fronts (working on interface while keeping DOS vs fixing OS for stability) ((Yes I know, stability != Windoze, but that was the goal)) In the case of memory wars, several products soon came out, using the 386, that supported ALL memory access schemes. -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Why Microsoft has to go ...
burns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 01 Sep 2003 08:53:06 -0400 On Mon, 2003-09-01 at 02:33, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: On 30 Aug 2003 21:32:16 -0400 burns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Nothing fishy here. The patents are intellectual property and assets of the corporation. As such they are the property of the investors and the creditors. Selling them to your wife is illegal in this instance. Not if the investors agree to do so. How many can there be in a company of two employees? They would still have to get the OK from their investors - that IP is probably what their investors bought into in the first place. A company of 2 people has no other value. I think the point is that the patents are all the company really has and M$ is stealling them. I know that big money tends to play legal games to get the things they want but this makes no sense. The license should cost less than the legal fees. Plus, the bad publicity and already being in legal trouble with the feds. Somebody at M$ is clearly not thinking. -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: FTp -- WTF ?!?! ..More Info
Aaron Grewell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Wed, 27 Aug 2003 13:10:36 -0700 Ben Duncan wrote: Ok, did that. I have been testing some more. This GETS weird. All files GOING thru the Laptops ftpd services take about 4 seconds EACH regardless of size. ie. a 20MB file transfered in 4 seconds, a 20K file - 4 seconds, a 1K file 4 seconds, and a (GET this !!!) 40 BYTE file - 4 seconds. Now the LARGEST I have played with, has been the 20MB file. Well, it's a 100MB network, right? Probably without any other traffic, too. Try an ISO or something like that. It probably takes a few seconds to handshake and all that. Are you sure the 20MB file came through alright? It didn't get truncated or anything? This is probably totally off base. Have you checked for dropped packets on the eth0 card? It sounds like data is moving well but the control port is having problems with the next file to transfer for the directory. Just a thought... -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Ideas for Mail and Calendaring for 50,000 Users
Jason Joines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:00:25 -0500 We just got a new CIO at the university where I work. One thing he is about to do is get rid of all the different mail systems and have one big combined system for all employees and students. That'll be about 50,000 users. At the moment the predominant faculty/staff mail system is Lotus Domino on windows 2k and the predominant system for students is Sun Internet Mail Server on Solaris. He intends to replace these with ms exchange on windows 2k. There is a small chance he will listen to suggestions to consider non-exchange options. Any suggestions? Thanks, Jason Joines The recent virii incidents ought to be sufficiently fresh to make a point about downtime vulnerability. At the U of MN students can connect inside the firewall. A single machine infected outside and then logging in inside will compleatly bypass the firewall. I am not sure about cost savings specifically but linux should mean fewer machines, therefore fewer support resources, therefore fewer ongoing costs. In the current economy, universities seem to be getting squeezed pretty good. It all depends on the CIO's goal. If he wants to have the largest staff and biggest budget, stress the threat of downtime. (It is already assumed that he is susceptible to FUD, at least from M$.) If he wants to show efficiency and budget cutting know how, stress simplicity and cost savings. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: WeLoveTheSCOInformationMinister
Kurt Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tue, 26 Aug 2003 19:49:26 -0400 Quoth Alma J Wetzker: Ken Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mon, 25 Aug 2003 20:42:56 -0700 I guess I just don't see how sco can even think of suing when they have released distros under the gpl. It defies logic! Not at all. SCO's premise is that the GPL is invalid. This is a perfect demonstration of the difference between reasoning logically and reasoning correctly. Maybe it's just my day to be dense, but I'm not seeing much difference between reasoning logically and reasoning correctly. And certainly not when applied to SCO's current course of action, which is neither reasonable, logical, nor correct. Kurt Your point is quite apt, Kurt. SCO has changed the initial assumptions and the laws of cause and effect in their world. Thereby making their arguments very logical and reasonable. Those changes are manditory if logic is to be satisfied. The simple fact that it is crazy to make the assumptions they are making hasn't penetrated yet. Their world may deflate entirely before it does, if ever. -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: WeLoveTheSCOInformationMinister
Ken Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mon, 25 Aug 2003 20:42:56 -0700 Tony Alfrey wrote: Why, send in your licensing fee to SCO for all the stolen IP stuff you have in your linux boxen, and I'm sure they'll get right back to you. Jeeze (slap to head), why didn't I think of that? I'll get my checkbook out right now. I guess I just don't see how sco can even think of suing when they have released distros under the gpl. It defies logic! Not at all. SCO's premise is that the GPL is invalid. This is a perfect demonstration of the difference between reasoning logically and reasoning correctly. -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SCO fizzles
burns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 25 Aug 2003 17:05:28 -0400 On Mon, 2003-08-25 at 11:42, Stuart Biggerstaff wrote: And they have also bought SCO licensing that it didn't really look like they need. When was that and for what? Right about the same time Micro$oft paid SCO for IP license rights, Sun also plunked down a few million for the same thing. The news got swallowed up on the linux forums because M$ paid money. Sun was right in there. (I can't remember if it was $4.5 or $2 million but it was to license new stuff over and above their existing contracts.) -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SCO fizzles
burns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 24 Aug 2003 20:14:38 -0400 On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 16:02, Alma J Wetzker wrote: My guess is that they are not as involved as we would like to believe. Much as SCO's blathering is to the benefit of M$, I don't think they are orchestrating it. Sun is also a backer of SCO with _LOTS_ to lose if linux catches on. Remember that Caldera was birthed by a lawsuit with M$ over DR-DOS not working with Windoze. (They won for big bucks.) I just can't see where logic would lead you to believe that Sun is more likely than MS to be in cahoots with SCO. The available indications, albeit circumstantial, point in exactly the opposite direction. Sloppy language, sorry. I really don't think either company is involved other than giving $$$ to SCO. To me it looks like the razor cuts to SCO's arrogance and stupidity without any help from an outside source. (Other than cheers.) -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SCO fizzles
Richard Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 23 Aug 2003 18:13:13 -0800 On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 15:21, Bill Campbell wrote: It appears to me that the SCO folks like Darl may be trying to establish a possible insanity defense if they're ever charged with attempting to manipulate their stock price. Their most recent charges that IBM is orchestrating the opposition is about the most ridiculous thing I've heard in ages. Come to think of it though, this may be an indication that it really is Microsoft that's behind much of SCO's posturing considering that it was found that M$ was in fact paying people to write letters to the editor and similar activities during their anti-trust trials. An insanity defense makes a certain amount of sense. Perhaps, however, the recent lunatic ravings of Darl McBride to the SCO forum members that IBM is orchestrating the open source response to the SCO -v- IBM suit may have a less obvious purpose - a first strike to divert attention away from the puppeteers at Microsoft who are pulling SCO's strings, i.e. lie first, lie loud, lie often and repeatedly, and chances are good - well, you get the picture. Out of curiosity, except for a few reports of cash infusions for useless licenses and outdated tech, there seems to have been a fair amount of silence on the MS/SCO connection. Any ideas why? My guess is that they are not as involved as we would like to believe. Much as SCO's blathering is to the benefit of M$, I don't think they are orchestrating it. Sun is also a backer of SCO with _LOTS_ to lose if linux catches on. Remember that Caldera was birthed by a lawsuit with M$ over DR-DOS not working with Windoze. (They won for big bucks.) The current SCO management does not seem to have a clue how the industry works. That plus equal parts greed and stupidity are sufficient reason for their actions and claims. Much as I _WANT_ M$ to be involved and, more importantly, caught driving this thing it is a far simpler explanation that Darl and Co. are incompetent and want to drive their stock value up anyway. Think about it. They are not old men. Where are they ever going to work as executives again? -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: backing up windows
Ken Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sat, 23 Aug 2003 06:26:56 -0700 Alma J Wetzker wrote: If you open the message while in windoze, then you are infected. The virus NEEDS the OS to respond before it can do it's thing. If the OS doesn't respond, and linux will not respond to a windoze targetted attack unles wine responds, the virus never starts. -- Alma Are these sobig virii Outlook (express) specific, or are other mail clients, say Netscape (on windows) or eudora, vulnerable? In general, any client can be vulnerable. You need to execute the attachment in order to be infected. (Outlook can be configured to execute attachments for you, it was the default last time I used it.) I am not sure, but I think sobig is the same way. The advantage to linux is, even under wine there is a permissions issue to the infection. To be fair, a NT kernel version of windoze could be made secure the same way, I am not sure how usable it would be afterwards -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: backing up windows
Ian Stephen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thu, 21 Aug 2003 22:31:35 -0700 On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 20:41, Keith Antoine wrote: I can transfer files back and forth just as I can from a linux booted system. NO way! Windows files are not executable on Linux, so it is immune to win viruii, this is one of the reasons I use linux. My concern is that the code will execute on Windows and use this Ext2FS to access Linux and do something nasty there. If my dual-boot machine is running Windows (rare, but it happens) and something infected Windows that can read/write the Linux partitions... couldn't that thing have its way with my Linux stuff while the penquin is 'asleep'? The relevent issue is what OS is running when you do your mail. If you run wine and open your mail with exchange, your concerns are valid. If the OS code to activate the virus isn't available on your system, the virus never gets activated. The virus will sit, inert, in your mail until it is deleted. If you open the message while in windoze, then you are infected. The virus NEEDS the OS to respond before it can do it's thing. If the OS doesn't respond, and linux will not respond to a windoze targetted attack unles wine responds, the virus never starts. -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SCO fizzles
Joel Hammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thu, 21 Aug 2003 21:50:19 -0400 Yes, but what will the jury think? Joel On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 07:21:49PM -0600, Collins Richey wrote: http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/smoking-fizzle.html That is the $3,000,000,000.00 question. It is a VERY safe bet that SCO will remove any juror that uses a computer, let alone can read code. So it all comes down to which expert witness is prettier. -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: acixxx problem compiling new kernel 2.4.20
Terence McCarthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:28:46 +0100 On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 09:45:45 -0500 Alma J Wetzker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It is my understanding that the cdrom drives need to be addressed as scsi > devices. No. You only need SCSI emulation if you wish to use a CD writer. As most Linux progs originally were written for Unix type systems where SCSI is very common if not standard, the various CD writing utils look for a SCSI CD writer. SCSI emulation makes the IDE CD writer appear to the software as a SCSI device. Do not compile SCSI support and SCSI emulation into the kernel together. This, at least, is my understanding (I'll be flamed if this is incorrect :)!) That actually makes a lot of sense. I read about this stuff while trying to get the 'R' portion of my CD-R working. It was my first attempt to use ide and several growth opportunities came up. Most systems today just put that stuff in for you automagically so you can ignore it (if it works...). -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What is a staging environment?
James McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:41:39 +1000 burns wrote: After a short break, on the 8th day the Lord invented staging environments. And verily they were wise that used them, even if the scribes and elders knew not. What is a staging environment? I haven't heard of it before in relation to IT. It goes by many names. It is where you have a smaller version of the production system with test data where all changes can be proven to work before they are put into the actual production environment. Sometimes management provides direct support for getting the hardware to set one of these things up. Other times you need to scrounge parts from wherever. Running without one could be "BAD". -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: acixxx problem compiling new kernel 2.4.20
Joel Hammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:18:19 -0400 This is the WalMart special. There may be no scsi devices but there are scsi drivers loaded: lsmod | grep scsi: ide-scsi7696 1 scsi_mod 53420 5 [sr_mod ide-scsi usb-storage sd_mod] ide-mod 153700 4 [ide-cd ide-scsi ide-disk ide-probe-mod] I have the bad feeling that scsi drivers are being used for various tasks, not really for scsi devices scsi. This must be why you need initrd with this kernel. Tne kernel (also 2.4.20) that it comes preinstalled has this in /lib/modules/kernel/drivers/scsi: drwxr-xr-x2 root root 80 Jun 22 15:22 aic7xxx -rw-r--r--1 root root 127076 Jun 19 17:40 aic7xxx_old.o And, int aic7xx, this: aic7xxx.o In modules.dep, this is this entry: /lib/modules/2.4.20/kernel/drivers/scsi/aic7xxx/aic7xxx.o: /lib/modules/2.4.20/kernel/drivers/scsi/scsi_mod.o There must be a reason for this. I'd like to find out. It is my understanding that the cdrom drives need to be addressed as scsi devices. To accomplish this, a software shim is put in place to translate ide type calls to scsi calls. (That would be the ide-scsi thing.) Please bear in mind that my understanding is small... -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: worms worms worms
burns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 18 Aug 2003 00:02:26 -0400 On Sun, 2003-08-17 at 19:06, Alma J Wetzker wrote: every executive I have ever met will spit nails about downtime and the cost to the company until you tell them how much it will cost to fix it. Then the executive goes away, until next time. That's the business we're in and I can tell you that it depends on you're approach. Nobody spends money on technology "just because" anymore. You have to frame it in a credible rationalized business case, comparing the cost of making the system improvements, vs the risk, vs the cost of NOT doing it. This is where we as technologists get lazy and usually fail. Suits are nothing if not predictable. Show them where they can reduce risk and save money and they WILL listen. Tell them about "neat" technology that is "better" and their eyes glaze over. I used to live between the techs wanting neat technology and the execs wanting to not spend money. I was pretty succesful about getting what we needed except on two topics; downtime and time testing patches. Downtime was rare enough on the busines systems that they were impervious to requests to spend to prevent it. Patches they never understood, "Why do you need to test it? It is already installed!" -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: worms worms worms
burns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 17 Aug 2003 23:56:28 -0400 On Sun, 2003-08-17 at 18:49, Alma J Wetzker wrote: see that doesn't happen. What busines apps do we have for linux that make people want to run linux so that they can use that application? Office? Spice? Photoshop? What do we have that is close? I would hardly classify Photoshop as a major business app for anything but the graphics market. It's not really a mainstream "cubicle" app in the same way that MS Office is. Linux has chosen to chase the server market rather than expending most of its energy on the desktop where Windows has a stranglehold. Notwithstanding that, the Gnome and KDE folks continue to move the yardsticks month after month. As far as office productivity apps go, Star Office has shed some of its bloat and Open Office has emerged as a winner. Collaborative calendaring is now available in a fairly polished and attractive form, Outlook clones exist (e.g. Ximian Evolution)and spreadsheet applications are no longer a poor etch-a-sketch drawing. In fact, if you really wanted to, this year there is no good reason why you couldn't switch your office over seamlessly to a Linux desktop. With KDE, even the conversion training would be minimal because it is so similar to Windows. From a desktop perspective, everybody uses office. Unfortunately, everybody also uses some other task specific app without which, the job cannot be done. Office functionality is crucial but it as only the first step. I applaud the decision to target server apps first. It makes the most sense and it is easiest to accomplish. Micro$oft wants to go from the desktop to the server. linux wants to go from the server to the desktop. Nothing gives me more pleasure than to reverse the M$ business model. (I have a dream of writing a SAP-like application for distribution businesses for linux but I just don't have the time with going to school right now.) Eh, Ummm... http://www.sap.com/company/press/press.asp?pressID=39 http://www.sap.com/linux/news.asp http://www.oracle.com/ip/deploy/database/theme_pages/index.html?linux_02032003.html http://www-3.ibm.com/software/data/db2/linux/ http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/library/specsheets/websphere_as_linux.html http://www-3.ibm.com/software/tivoli/products/sys-auto-linux/library.html Or did you mean dot Net, perhaps? ;o) I actually meant what I said. Most of the initiatives above started somewhere other than distribution and have added it so that a checkmark could be put on their features list. Building a distribution centered application with things like manufacturing and accounting added on could be real benefit. All it takes is time... -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: worms worms worms
Collins Richey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sat, 16 Aug 2003 19:18:15 -0600 On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 19:42:26 -0500 Alma J Wetzker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [ other stuff snipped - see the thread for details ] I agree with the sentiment but the reality is much harsher. Most linux apps just aren't up to their windoze counterparts. This is especially true for personal productivity apps. The server stuff is much closer. It would help to know exactly what you mean by "personal productivity apps". There are still functions that I need for school reports that I have not found in Koffice or Open Office. Adobe Photoshop can be simulated but it is a kludge. I can't find anything like a recent or complete version of spice. My version of xine tends to pause every once in a while. Is there a quickbooks like app that is well supported? Personal productivity apps, to me, are the horizontal apps that any business person would use for documents to spreadsheets all the way to the business/department specific functions that users would run in the course of a typical week ON THEIR PERSONAL MACHINE. All of this is true, but companies have to deal with the (negative) business payoff of loosing business productivity and/or data every time a script kiddo comes up with a new worm. There is a also big business payoff in terms of licensing fees. every executive I have ever met will spit nails about downtime and the cost to the company until you tell them how much it will cost to fix it. Then the executive goes away, until next time. The only true option to pursue for linux desktop adoption is to continue interoperability plans with the M$ network du jour (com, dcom, .net...) and start building functionality into linux friendly architectures. It requires long term thinking and a dedication to the strategy. It also requires better personal productivity apps. One thing that would help (I've mentioned this frequently) would be for the major open source support products (glibc, gcc, and the desktop products like kde and gnome, perhaps even the kernel) to stop the practice of changing the interfaces and releasing non-compatible new versions every couple of years. even Microsoft has been cured of this churn of API's and standards (I know they do have relapses but they are learning to kick the habit.) There is a dearth of long term thinking in the business world. How to cook the books for the current quarter is about as long term as it gets. -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: worms worms worms
Bill Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sat, 16 Aug 2003 17:56:23 -0700 On Sat, Aug 16, 2003, Alma J Wetzker wrote: I agree with the sentiment but the reality is much harsher. Most linux apps just aren't up to their windoze counterparts. This is especially true for personal productivity apps. The server stuff is much closer. Linux is great for the server applications, and I have been using *ix desktop applications for years (but how many people actually prefer vi and groff to word processors :-). We're installing quite a few Apple systems running OS X for desktop applications, and it's hard to beat the eMac for cost-effective workstations. I'm going to find it hard to resist buying one of the new dual processor G5s when panther is released. Like Oracle, SAP, BAAN, SSA, informix, SAS, etc.? Many server applications are close and there are substitutes. But several of the more horizontal apps either don't run on linux or are not quite as good. The cogent argument for change doesn't address busines use. There is LOTS of custom code running in busines. The life span of that code is 15 - 20 years. Converting to C/Java/Perl/Python/??? is a huge undertaking and has no busines payoff. It also halts improvements for a year or two. No busines on the planet can afford that in todays market. And heaven help the companies that have gone to outsourcing, they have effectively zero say in infrastructure decisions. Most of the custom applications were originally written for *ix platforms before Microsoft bought several of the major players in Unix accounting software and killed the Unix versions (e.g. RealWorld). That is not my experience. Most of the custom apps I have worked on were PC based or mainframe based and then migrated to PC's. I am not claiming that is the majority of the installed base, that is just my experience. Are the apps written for *ix being migrated? If so, is the new target linux? Microsoft is spending as much money as it takes to see that doesn't happen. What busines apps do we have for linux that make people want to run linux so that they can use that application? Office? Spice? Photoshop? What do we have that is close? -- Alma (I have a dream of writing a SAP-like application for distribution businesses for linux but I just don't have the time with going to school right now.) ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: northeast power outage
I am not sure that regulation or de-regulation is really the problem. It seems to me to be this strange, hybrid, government solution that is both and neither. If we want competition, deregulate the WHOLE thing and allow competition. If we want regulation, stop pretending that the power companies should turn a profit and be listed on the exchanges. Anything else is silly and doesn't work very well. -- Alma Jack Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sat, 16 Aug 2003 10:32:55 -0500 No, I don't think we disagree on this. I just didn't expound on the underlying reason for the current mess in the power system. That is DE-REGULATION of the industry. -jhb- From: Tom Marinis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jack Berger wrote: The truth is that everyone wants/loves/needs electricity, but no one wants to pay for it in terms of building the necessary infrastructure to support it (NIMBY)... I don't agree with you. However, the case for modernization for something is made everyday in government circles. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: worms worms worms
Collins Richey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sat, 16 Aug 2003 09:21:20 -0600 On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 08:57:12 -0500 "David A. Bandel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I know a lot of folks who don't want to patch their computers because some of these patches come with changed EULAs they don't want to accept. Unfortunately, they also can't change over to Linux because some programs they use/need are only written for M$. Catch-22. Isolating these systems off-network is also not an option since many folks need to share the hundreds of files used by these systems with offices in different countries. Basically, they're screwed and just have to make do. So they spend thousands hoping the anti-virus folks can keep up (which they can't). A really lamentable situation. The essential situation is this. Using M$ products is a recipe for disaster (when will the latest worm strike again?), in spite of the fact that some of the products provide a useful function that is frequently more user friendly than almost equivalent open source products. So how does one convince users that they need to look for ways to divest themselves of the products they feel (some truth, some ignorance) they cannot do without? There are solutions in most cases, but most users are so locked into the M$ mentality that they won't even make the effort. I agree with the sentiment but the reality is much harsher. Most linux apps just aren't up to their windoze counterparts. This is especially true for personal productivity apps. The server stuff is much closer. The cogent argument for change doesn't address busines use. There is LOTS of custom code running in busines. The life span of that code is 15 - 20 years. Converting to C/Java/Perl/Python/??? is a huge undertaking and has no busines payoff. It also halts improvements for a year or two. No busines on the planet can afford that in todays market. And heaven help the companies that have gone to outsourcing, they have effectively zero say in infrastructure decisions. The only true option to pursue for linux desktop adoption is to continue interoperability plans with the M$ network du jour (com, dcom, .net...) and start building functionality into linux friendly architectures. It requires long term thinking and a dedication to the strategy. It also requires better personal productivity apps. We still have a long way to go before linux is a viable choice for a busines desktop. -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: worms worms worms
How about run windows for life? -- Alma burns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 16 Aug 2003 04:23:29 -0400 The people that write and launch these programs in the wild should caught and forced to do something really unpleasant for a very long time. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: How to setup clusters
Aaron Grewell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:31:26 -0700 On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 19:54:44 -0500 Ben Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> emitted these signals: I set up a Mosix one about 2 years ago for a trade show. Not a problem and I really liked it. Another vote for Mosix. My office workstation is currently a Mosix cluster. I got tired of my compiles bogging the CPU (made my MP3's skip), so I grabbed a couple of spare machines and lashed them all together with Mosix. Now when I run a compile it runs on the unloaded CPU's instead of the one with all my eye-candy on it. Who needs XFCE? I just add nodes! ;) Just make sure the other nodes are in the other room, otherwise it gets a bit loud. It will also keep you warm in winter. It sounds like I need to give that a try. I live in Minnesota so keeping warm in the winter is a serious consideration! ;) -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: How to setup clusters
"Net Llama!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fri, 08 Aug 2003 21:03:34 -0700 On 08/08/03 20:38, Alma J Wetzker wrote: "Net Llama!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fri, 08 Aug 2003 15:26:25 -0700 On 08/08/03 15:04, Alma J Wetzker wrote: Our IEEE chapter at school is going to setup a linux cluster. Does anyone have any experience/advice/interesting opinions about doing so? I am wondering if there is a good distro or any other wonderfulnes that will make the thing fun and last the semester. What do you plan to use it for? 'clusters' have *ALOT* of different meanings and uses, and that is heavily dependent on how you set one up. We plan on using it to learn how to setup clusters. Let me rephrase. You're asking 'how do i setup a cluster'. I stated that there is no such thing as one type of cluster. Its as if you asked 'how do i create software?'. There's not a single type of software, or even a single programming language to write the software. Sorry Lonnie, I do know the difference but I really don't have a single type of cluster in mind. What I meant to ask is if anyone on the list has setup a cluster, if so, what type and what distribution was used? I would like to setup a cluster consisting of a single virtual machine as I think that can be the most flexible. As I am not the only person working on the project I can't be more specific for a few weeks. I am just trying to use personal resources in addition to google and other various search engines and 900 pages of documentation. My personal interest is distributed applications, so a virtual machine running a database would be good. But we don't have the disk space to make it worthwhile. I hope to use more than one configuration before we are done. Well, there are alot of different types of databases out there, some with excellent clustering support, some without. Oracle & DB2 have pretty decent distributed processing support. The amount of diskspace isn't really an issue unless you plan to start dumping large chunks of data into the DB. Otherwise, a database will remain as small as you want it to. Most of my paid work has been Oracle where I end up using triggers and stuff to accomplish what I need to get done. I am trying to figure out MySQL right now and perhaps PostgreSQL next year. Most of my test data is quite large as I need to test MANY configurations and options. Like i already said, clusters are not a singular thing, like apache, or fortran programming. Its a very broad field, and you need to think about what part of it you're interested in persuing, as there isn't a single method that applies to everything. A cluster is just more than one physical computer working together to accomplish a single task. Be it data storage, numerical computation, graphic rendering, or something else altogether. Once you figure that out with a degree of specificity, then you can move towards determining how to set one up. Since I don't know, or care, which direction I am going with this, ANY help or direction from the list is valuable. (Especially questions like yours!) Thanks! -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: google fun
Net Llama! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:31:02 -0400 (EDT) http://www.google.com/search?q=speed+of+light+in+furlongs+per+fortnight The story goes that at NASA a management droid was briefing some senior engineers using a bewildering array of terms and units. The engineers were obviously unimpressed. Finally one of the senior engineers raised his hand and asked him to express the speed in furlongs per fortnight. "furlongs per fortnight" is a standard way to of saying "cut the crap" -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
How to setup clusters
Our IEEE chapter at school is going to setup a linux cluster. Does anyone have any experience/advice/interesting opinions about doing so? I am wondering if there is a good distro or any other wonderfulnes that will make the thing fun and last the semester. -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SCO scares me...
Jerry McBride <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sun, 10 Aug 2003 11:07:43 -0400 In the September issue of WIRED, Darl McBride in the HOT SEAT says... WIRED: Give me the summary brief. McBride: "The world is moving to a Unix operating environment, and SCO owns the IP rights to it, When you snap off a branch from the Unix tree and try to graft it onto the Linux tree, that's out-of-bounds. It's time to step up and claim the ownership rights that are rightly ours." Holyshit. I know they make claim to "their unix code in linux" but what is the REAL attitude towards Linux. Is Linux seen as a competitor to Unix (SCO) and as such they want it also? I tell ya' Darl could have chosen better words than what he did. I wonder if Darl is ever curious about life outside his head? Does he even know that an alternative reality exists? My understanding is that SCO's biggest competitor is M$. M$'s biggest problem is linux. So SCO makes a deal with M$ to get rid of linux. Does Darl really believe that he can litigate himself a piece of the linux revenue stream in perpetuity, just because he wants to? -- Alma Don't worry Jerry, we don't hold you resposible for deranged, pathetic individuals. No matter what their name. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: How to setup clusters
"Net Llama!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fri, 08 Aug 2003 15:26:25 -0700 On 08/08/03 15:04, Alma J Wetzker wrote: Our IEEE chapter at school is going to setup a linux cluster. Does anyone have any experience/advice/interesting opinions about doing so? I am wondering if there is a good distro or any other wonderfulnes that will make the thing fun and last the semester. What do you plan to use it for? 'clusters' have *ALOT* of different meanings and uses, and that is heavily dependent on how you set one up. We plan on using it to learn how to setup clusters. My personal interest is distributed applications, so a virtual machine running a database would be good. But we don't have the disk space to make it worthwhile. I hope to use more than one configuration before we are done. -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Logon time limits
Is there a way to set logon time limits for up to a set number of hours in an arbitrary time period (like a week)? The goal is to limit logon time for the kids over a week to cut down on fighting over the computers on the network. I really don't want to confine them to a set time period each day because that will not help them learn to budget their own time. TIA -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Samba doesn't start on SuSE 8.2
Thanks Matt, I have that setup and it looks like it should work, but I need to stop and restart both processes before it actually works. (SuSE also doesn't seem to pickup netbios over IPX like Caldera did so that is causing some changes...) It bothers me but I won't be digging into it until after finals next Friday. Monitoring the traffic on this list constitutes my only break from the books. This is saved and I will puzzle it out next weekend. -- Alma Matthew Carpenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fri, 1 Aug 2003 01:47:19 -0400 chkconfig smb on chkconfig nmb on They separated the file service from the name service so they both need to be started... The chkconfig utility is quite nice. On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:33:43 -0500 Alma J Wetzker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am testing out SuSE and I still can't get samba to startup automagically on reboot. (Something about xinetd that I still need to chase down..., or maybe figure out how to start webmin...) ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Unknown host error message when trying to ping Internet
This sounds very similar to my setup. I am running SuSE 8.2 pro with a SMC NAT router. The router is the DHCP server and also holds the DNS pointer. /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1 localhost # 192.168.2.7 awetzker.weg.org awetzker 192.168.2.1 hub router 192.168.2.10 crunch.weg.org crunch 192.168.2.4 almaw.weg.org almaw 192.168.2.35tigger.weg.org tigger 192.168.2.19 merlin.weg.org merlin 192.168.2.245 laser /etc/resolv.conf # # Generated by DHCP boot script # search weg.org nameserver 192.168.2.1 netstat -r Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway GenmaskFlags MSS Window irtt Iface 192.168.2.0 *255.255.255.0 U 40 0 0 eth0 127.0.0.0*255.0.0.0 U 40 0 0 lo default hub 0.0.0.0UG 40 0 0 eth0 This is the default config after the setup found everything. It is working fine. FWIW -- Alma I am trying to set up a Suse 8.2 desktop box, (Bob, address 192.168.1.33) but am having trouble connecting to the Internet. I am not running a firewall on it. I can ping an Internet address by IP address without problem. When I try to ping by hostname I receive the error message "unknown host." I can ping other machines local to my network by both IP address and hostname without problem. One of the other machines in the network (Sam, address 192.168.1.2, RH 7.3) has no problems when pinging the Internet, either by IP address or hostname, and it can ping the Suse box without problem. My Internet access is through a NAT gateway/firewall box with address 192.168.1.1 (Bill) on the internal net card, and whatever address assigned to tthe external card by my ISP using DHCP. From the firewall box, I can ping the Suse box, the RH box, and the Internet using both IP address and hostname, all without problems, The configuration files for the Suse box are set up as follows: /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1 localhost 192.168.1.1bill.mynet.net bill 192.168.1.2sam.mynet.netsam 192.168.1.33bob.mynet.net bob # special IPv6 addresses ::1 localhost ipv6-localhost ipv6-loopback fe00::0 ipv6-localnet ff00::0 ipv6-mcastprefix ff02::1 ipv6-allnodes ff02::2 ipv6-allrouters /etc/host.conf order hosts, bind multi on /etc/resolv.conf nameserver 216.229.33.250 nameserver 216.229.33.251 search local local /etc/nsswitch.conf passwd: compat group: compat hosts: files dns networks: files dns services: files protocols: files rpc:files ethers:files netmasks: files netgroup: files publickey:files bootparams: files automount: files nis aliases:files The output of netstat -nr Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window irtt face 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 Can anyone help me figure out what is going on? BOF ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
What was it about eD 2.4?
Speaking for myself, I liked the fact that I could configure everything from the GUI either with an app or the web. The configuration tools left the comments in the config files so that you could edit those manually. If you edited the config files, you could still use the GUI tools to configure other things later WITHOUT losing manual updates. For instance, in caldera I could use webmin or an extension of the kde to configure what services to start or stop and when. I am testing out SuSE and I still can't get samba to startup automagically on reboot. (Something about xinetd that I still need to chase down..., or maybe figure out how to start webmin...) I liked the binaries being compiled from the sources shipped. (Not as big an issue as it used to be.) And the testing that went into the whole package being stable running the apps that shipped with the product. I even liked the comercial apps that shipped with the product. And I still need a novell client. (That disappeared after eD 2.4) FWIW -- Alma What was it about eD 2.4? Tina M Berendt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thu, 31 Jul 2003 13:49:11 -0400 Given the recent interest in resurrecting and maintaining the old Caldera distro, I thought I'd take a minute to ask everyone to quantify what it was about eD (or eS) that was so great. Was it the file layout? The installer? The GUI tools? What? I used and loved eD, but find it hard to say why I felt it was so nice. I *think* a lot of my fondness has to do simply with familiarity... once I learned "the Caldera way" on OpenLinux, eD was such a natural progression that I think a lot of my 'it was so great' is simply because I *knew* it.. however, I now 'know' SuSE, but don't have the same warm fuzzy when talking about it as I do when talking about eD It seems to me that it would be a *lot* easier to start with a current base system (perhaps LFS based) and then mold it to be whatever it was about eD that everyone liked instead of taking an old eD and upgrading it (remember that eD wasn't even ready for 2.4.x and 2.6.x is right around the corner). So, what *specifically* made eD so great? ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: network problem: internet sharing
Matt, No offense taken. I was just getting a col box on the net (I mostly do development so the net wasn't critical) and I wanted to share the dialup connection with other machines on the home network. All the FAQ's and howto's told me how to setup ipchains. So I went and found ipchains and loaded it up. nothing ever worked right. I do know IP networking but I don't know *nix real well. I finally asked for help and was told, bluntly, to pay attention and use iptables. (See 'if linux were cars') After reading up on iptables and fiddling some more it still was not working the way I wanted and 3 - 4 weeks had gone by. A $60 SMC router will handle modem dialout, act as a print server and act as a dhcp server. As far as I am concerned, that fixes the problem and I get what I want from the network. I still don't know what was not setup correctly on my part but I don't care enough to find out. (I really don't have the time.) With Keith's setup, I was concerned that the network cards in the linux box might not be routing across each other. I like to setup a separate logical network segment for each card if only for ease of maintenance. For instance: eth0192.168.0.1nm 255.255.255.0 eth1192.168.1.1nm 255.255.255.0 My background is CPM, DOS and Novell along with some embedded stuff. I have tended to do software links between applications that are not supposed to talk to each other. Doing system admin stuff is new to me and not terribly exciting for its own sake. I know I don't fit in but I am learning alot. -- Alma Matthew Carpenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Wed, 23 Jul 2003 12:23:18 -0400 I'd be interested in hearing your experience. My company has invested a lot into Linux as a firewall/router/NAT device because we can depend on them better than just about anything else available. Short of Hardware failure, Linux firewalls/routers/NAT devices are one of the most powerful and reliable on the market, being able to do complex firewalling, IDS/IDP, NAT (both directions), reporting, and much more. The only times I have found Linux not function well in this roll has been resulting from a lack of basic education. The workstations behind it weren't configured for IP or there wasn't a DHCP server or the DHCP configuration wasn't handing out a default route correctly. No offense to you, Alma... I know I must be sounding like a biggot at the moment (sounding the trumpet while on the Linux list and all), but most problems I've found have been lack of knowledge about how a TCP/IP network works, including configuration and routing. And Microsoft tries to automate it... but AUTO is a four-letter word, because AUTO only works part of the time. And the AUTO methods tend to make you not consider some potential problem areas because they work sometimes. While I'm not sure what is going on at Keith's I have to say that in the event of "random" or "inconsistent" issues, most problems I've dealt with have been a Windows problem. My biggest unknown here is Mandrake, since Mandrake is attempting to be a Microsoft competitor, they may be attempting some "automated" stuff. I'm not sure whether this was covered or not, but if you have the XP box set to dynamic, you need a DHCP server. If it is hard-set to 192.168.1.2, it needs to have the correct netmask (most often chosen as 255.255.255.0 but if generated by network class, it could be 255.255.0.0), Default Gateway of 192.168.1.2, and DNS servers need to be set to whatever the Linux box is being handed in DHCP. Otherwise, you can point to mine: 69.33.10.245 and 69.33.10.246. Again, no offense to anyone here. Thanks, Matt ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Process select for SuSE 8.2
I am looking at an upgrade path from Caldera WS 3.1.1 and have been playing with SuSE pro 8.2. Is there a graphical utility to switch on or off applications at boot time? Things like Samba or MySQL? In col there was webmin, and kde gave me a way through system settings. I can't find anything similar is SuSE, am I missing something? If so where is it? (I have read the printed manuals and tried every menu option under kde and gnome that root has access to [I think]) Thanks! -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [OT] I can't belive this can be happen ????????
In reguards to SCO, we have to remember that SUN is paying a good chunk of SCO's legal fees. The traditional *nix vendors have had some very profitable niches gutted by Windoze. They are starting to see the same from linux and M$ has also noticed. I think they are all working to shut down linux on the "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" theory. The only problem is who has the dagger and who has the back between SUN and M$? Any bets? -- Alma Re: [OT] I can't belive this can be happen ronnie gauthier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:06:49 -0500 On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 06:04:34 -0400 - Michael Scottaline <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote the following Re: Re: [OT] I can't belive this can be happen I dont think that anything seen on the surface is SCO's real intention. Linux has taken a huge bite out of the *nix market and as a result commercial UNIX is not worth as much as it once was and related incomes are also dropping fast. Now we all know that if there is any bad code in the kernal any developer has already seen it(or cant reliably prove they didnt) and it will be difficult to continue as is. SCO could possibly stop the distribution of any kernal 2.4 and later. Which is what they want to, and will if a judge allows/agrees to it. But I dont think they want license fees because surely their planned binary only distribution is a violation of the GPL and they will be barred from distributing it. Now we have a mexican stand off with UNIX the clear winner. I dont believe in a conspiricy around every corner but... SCO did not plan this alone M$ was much happier when it was a *nix/Win playing field M$ would do anything in its power to make it so again As Captain Picard would say, "Make it so number one". ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: network problem: internet sharing
Re: network problem: internet sharing Keith Antoine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:58:48 -0400 On Tuesday 22 July 2003 12:25 am, Alma J Wetzker wrote: Keith, The modem goes to the linux box through an ethernet card. The linux box works. The linux box has a second ethernet card that is connected to the XP box elsewhere. The XP box can ping the linux box. (I hope this is correct.) yes Can the XP box ping an address on the wild wild web? (Using the ip address as the name will not work.) If it can then the issue could be the linux box not routing the DNS lookup correctly. If you cannot then the linux box is not acting as a router and it should be. [snip] Do not aplogise for being a newbie as all of us in this list were new at one stage or another. I have managed to stuff things up very well now, after playing around with XP on both machines. I need to reinstall XP on this dual boot machine, however on linux I can ping 192.168.0.2 but cannot ping 192.168.0.1 from the downstairs XP. No point in looking to net when I cannot reach this machine. I have used another nic on the downstairs machine, also got another cable. No go. If I can ping one way why not the other ? I am not sure what is going on. Just to clarify some basics; each card in a machine needs its own ip address, ideally, each card should be on its own subnet. (that may not be a requirement but it sure makes things easier to administer. It also sounds like what you have.) I am not certain, but the iptables script that David B. sent should do the routing. I can't put my finger on it exactly but it sounds to me as though the linux box is still not working correctly. If the XP box can be pinged it means the protocol is setup correctly (if not compleatly) and loaded. Ping seems to work from the XP box (it doesn't error out) but gets lost somewhere. I am not convinced it is getting lost in the XP layers. That leads me back to the linux box not behaving like you want it to. My own experience is that I could never get the linux boxes to route correctly when I tried what you are doing. I found it easier for my peace of mind and blood pressure to invest in a router (SMC) and share the connection that way. Linux or windows is just a dhcp client and only the router cares. YMMV -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: network problem: internet sharing
Keith, I know I am just the clueless newbie here but before you reinstall XP I just want to clarify the problem in my head. The modem goes to the linux box through an ethernet card. The linux box works. The linux box has a second ethernet card that is connected to the XP box elsewhere. The XP box can ping the linux box. (I hope this is correct.) Can the XP box ping an address on the wild wild web? (Using the ip address as the name will not work.) If it can then the issue could be the linux box not routing the DNS lookup correctly. If you cannot then the linux box is not acting as a router and it should be. I am NOT suggesting that the XP install is perfect but I still have my doubts that it is the entire problem given the above picture in my head. If you can ping the web from the XP box, it may be the DNS stuff not configured correctly somewhere. I would think that is easier to fix than doing a reinstall. (Although I would suggest a clean install rather than an upgrade from dos to NT, which is what 98 to XP is.) -- Alma Keith Antoine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tue, 22 Jul 2003 07:43:16 -0400 On Monday 21 July 2003 08:11 am, Gary Wilson wrote: --- Collins Richey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The WinXP wizard for networking detected it's place on my LAN (Netgear router) automagically, setup for DHCP, and even enabled File and Printer Sharing without any of the screwing around I've had to do in the past. Only 1 reboot. I was able to copy all the The secret here is that you got XP Pro, which has full networking support. It can still get tricky. If the automatic settings don't work, manual configuration is a real dog and it will keep trying to go back to the automatic settings. XP Home edition has minimal networking support. It's a dog and should be banned from all computer systems, along with Windows ME, its close cousin. You can boot up with Knoppix and get the same kind of automatic networking and Samba support is built in. It has Linneighborhood installed and has almost always found other computers on the network for me. Gary I am sure that others here will know what I mean when I say that Daughter was brought up in a office with windows. So I REALLY hesitate to give her anything else. I am already blamed for upgrading from 98. It is a temporary networking as she graduates as a teacher in Nov and can go anywhere in Queensland then. Oh! for peace a nd quiet again. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: DSL Gotcha
Subject: Re: DSL Gotcha Keith Morse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mon, 21 Jul 2003 15:17:18 -0700 (PDT) On Sun, 20 Jul 2003, Kurt Wall wrote: Quoth Raymond Russell: On 7/20/03 0:03, "Kurt Wall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't have DSL any more but when I did my installer used CAT-5 cable and put RJ11 connectors on it, this helped a lot. I was far out from the CO so I needed every little bit of help. I'm 12,269 feet from the CO. Which, to me, seems odd that another measely 25 feet makes any difference at all. I am taking my transmition lines class for my EE degree this summer. The line length and termination characteristics make a *HUGE* difference to the signal quality. The phone company can balance the line to close to your home (I am not sure how close) but what happens inside is difficult to adjust for. I used to think that any length of cat 5 was perfectly fine and good but that just ain't so. If you are at the wrong point in the signal wavelength, you will have problems. -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: XP to XP
Keith, How is your network setup? You have a cable connected to a cable modem. From there is it ethernet or usb? does it go to a computer (which one?) or a router? (or maybe a hub?) The answers may have some bearing on how to setup your machines. I use a SMC router and my clients all get their ip and dns stuff from the dhcp server in the router. I did need to setup the dns in the router but that only needs to be done once. -- Alma At 05:53 PM 19/07/2003 -0700, you wrote: On 07/19/03 17:19, Keith Antoine wrote: Just checked the downstairs machine and that can piong this upstairs machine under XP on both, but its not seeing the net. It appears not to be able to resolve the addresses. I do not have any DNS settings downstairs as I do not have any stable IP I can use. Can you explain how you have no DNS IP address? XP uses dhcp to setup its network therefore ther is no dns shown. As I do not have any IP's that I can use there are non on the lan machine downstairs. Skippy ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
