Re: Which file system am I using?
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 07:46:59 -0500 Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, mount shows that my original disk is reiserfs. My new partition is ext2, whichI just created with fdisk. There is no choice for reiserfs or ext3 with fdisk. Does one simple run mkfs to get the file system of choice? man is your friend. mke2fs -j /dev/xxx create a new ext3 fs tune2fs -j /dev/xxx convert an ext2 to ext3 fs (add the journal) -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Apache log probe?
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 21:35:47 -0800 Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/19/03 21:07, Collins Richey wrote: On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:56:39 -0800 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins Richey wrote: On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:37:56 -0800 Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/19/03 17:07, Ken Moffat wrote: Anyone have a clue ? What is this, from my apache/access.log? 217.210.77.107 - - [19/Nov/2003:02:07:29 -0800] SEARCH /\x90\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02 \xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02 \xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\ Google is your friend: http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum39/1626.htm An even better friend is plastic or cold hard cash to sign up! g I'll passuntil I'm employed again. I'm lost. Could you not access the link? Yes. the link said sign up to view the listings with an icon to the right to inquire for payment. That's bizarre. That's not at all what i get. All I get is a page inviting subscription and telling the reasons for converting to a subscription service, but ... AHA!!! There is a brief blurb at the top of the page indicating that I am getting this page because they don't like my ISP! So, it turns out that they are just another example of sites that don't like comcast and presume that all comcast users are spammers. Horseshit. I'll not reopen that rant. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
XFS filesystem revisited
FYI. From time to time we have threads about the use of various filesystems (usually degrades rapidly to my fs is better than your fs). I just happened to be reviewing the current Gentoo Handbook - a work in progress, and I noted the following recommendation for XFS (a favorite of many on this list). 4.i. Creating Filesystems ... [ other fs descriptions] XFS is a filesystem with metadata journaling that is fully supported under Gentoo Linux's xfs-sources kernel. It comes with a robust feature-set and is optimized for scalability. We only recommend using this filesystem on Linux systems with high-end SCSI and/or fibre channel storage and a uninterruptible power supply. Because XFS aggressively caches in-transit data in RAM, improperly designed programs (those that don't take proper precautions when writing files to disk and there are quite a few of them) can lose a good deal of data if the system goes down unexpectedly. ... [ other fs desciptions ] It is interesting that this recommendation is only present for XFS among the journaled filesystem choices. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: XFS filesystem revisited
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 19:47:08 -0500 Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins, I get the feeling that the Gentoo people are not very interested in XFS and they don't want us using it - although this doc is better than the previous one in which they discourged us from using it. I think they should have the journaling warning on all the journalling systems or none. For what it's worth I've used from the very first Gentoo box and it has worked well - no loses. A couple times I've had to recover (due to X locking up) I booted to the liveCD and ran xfs_check and xfs_repair if necessary. What Gentoo failed to mention is that xfs_repair tells me if there is pending information in the log and that I need to mount and then umount the partition. I do that, the data is committed and xfs_repair fixes it. Collins Richey wrote: FYI. From time to time we have threads about the use of various filesystems (usually degrades rapidly to my fs is better than your fs). I just happened to be reviewing the current Gentoo Handbook - a work in progress, and I noted the following recommendation for XFS (a favorite of many on this list). 4.i. Creating Filesystems ... [ other fs descriptions] XFS is a filesystem with metadata journaling that is fully supported under Gentoo Linux's xfs-sources kernel. It comes with a robust feature-set and is optimized for scalability. We only recommend using this filesystem on Linux systems with high-end SCSI and/or fibre channel storage and a uninterruptible power supply. Because XFS aggressively caches in-transit data in RAM, improperly designed programs (those that don't take proper precautions when writing files to disk and there are quite a few of them) can lose a good deal of data if the system goes down unexpectedly. ... [ other fs desciptions ] It is interesting that this recommendation is only present for XFS among the journaled filesystem choices. Brett, Good to hear positive comments. On the other hand, data reported on gentoo usually has a factual basis, i.e. not crafted from whole cloth, so somebody must have had rather unusual experience(s) with the product. BTW, let me emphasize, I'm neither a fan of nor opposed to XFS. Gentoo tends to be fairly conservative with their recommendations (example: they do not recommend gentoo for a production server, which has certainly not stopped many users who contentedly run gentoo servers). The same may well apply to XFS which works well except under whatever unusual circumstances the documenters know. The other possibility, as Lonnie suggested, is that they based the recommendation on an early version of XFS. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Problems printing out PDF files
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:46:47 -0500 Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My daughter is printing out pdf applications for grad school. We get various errors with acroread, but basically some documents don't print. Here is one type of error. If I print the document to a file, here is what I get with gv. Error: /invalidfont in -dict- [[ snipped ] What version of acroread and other software (kernel, xft, etc.). -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [InterLUG] AOL now in the Linux PC business
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:11:35 -0800 Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 19 November 2003 02:00 pm, Kurt Wall wrote: Consuming 0.7K bytes, Henry Keultjes blathered: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 http://www.aolcheckout.com/aol-pc/aol01.asp?srccode=subp1b447695vc id=a1 No Linux there... Not only that, it's AOL Optimized. Translated: does nothing and slowly. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: One reason why I should have a Linux laptop
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:08:00 +1100 James McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks, For those of you in an admin role you may sympathize with this. I just had to change the IP addresses on a series of radios linking the sites of the company I work at. Because we only have windows I had to take a laptop up to the radio repeater site and use it to change each ip address. The problem was that windows (w2k) will allow you to change your ip address once but if you try it again it prompts for a reboot So in short each time I had to change my IP so I could connect to each radios subnet... I had to reboot g. Now if I had linux on the laptop the job would have taken considerably less time because I wouldn't have had to reboot once... viv la revolution Linux is a better tool for admin than window imo. Please clarify: you were maybe expecting something different from windows??? -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
RedHat losing customers?
SearchEnterpriseLinux: Fury Brims Over Red Hat Support Changes Nov 19, 2003, 21 :00 UTC (18 Talkback[s]) (1795 reads) http://linuxtoday.com/it_management/2003111901926NWRHSW brief excerpt --- McAdam isn't the only one looking for a new distributor. Schunk GmbH and Co. of Germany, a manufacturer of grippers, rotary actuators, linear units and accessories for the automation market, is also looking at moving its SAP systems from 100 Red Hat servers -- versions 6.2 to 9 -- to Debian and SuSE Linux servers. It is a shame to treat your customers this way. We have just paid the support fee -- which will [lose] its use for us after [Jan. 4] and probably before, said Dieter Heilenz, an IT manager with Schunk. A supplier can do this [only] once to us. --- Sounds identical to the reasoning that some customers cite for moving off M$ products. We've been screwed, and it won't happen again. Is Novell/SUSE the only linux offering that does not have a death wish? -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Apache log probe?
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:37:56 -0800 Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/19/03 17:07, Ken Moffat wrote: Anyone have a clue ? What is this, from my apache/access.log? 217.210.77.107 - - [19/Nov/2003:02:07:29 -0800] SEARCH /\x90\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02 \xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb 1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\ Google is your friend: http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum39/1626.htm An even better friend is plastic or cold hard cash to sign up! g I'll pass until I'm employed again. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Apache log probe?
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:56:39 -0800 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins Richey wrote: On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:37:56 -0800 Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/19/03 17:07, Ken Moffat wrote: Anyone have a clue ? What is this, from my apache/access.log? 217.210.77.107 - - [19/Nov/2003:02:07:29 -0800] SEARCH /\x90\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02 \xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb 1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\ Google is your friend: http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum39/1626.htm An even better friend is plastic or cold hard cash to sign up! g I'll pass until I'm employed again. I'm lost. Could you not access the link? Yes. the link said sign up to view the listings with an icon to the right to inquire for payment. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Hooray
LinuxToday (Nov 18, 2003, 20:00 UTC) (4004 reads) (10 talkbacks) (feedback) But in a filing yesterday the SCO Group gave a strong hint that while it anticipates riches from IP licenses, its current business is falling apart... -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SO 7: importing postscript
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:52:23 -0500 Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I do this same sort of thing with convert. (It's part of the imagemagick package.) convert file.ps file.jpg and then import into SO. Works fine and can be scripted. But, I would really like to know why these eps files look fine in gv but so bad in SO. Joel On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 10:18:15PM +0100, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote: Joel Hammer wrote: gs is used by ps2epsi. Is there a way to tweak gs to make things look better when imported into SO ? As I've said in another thread (and keep saying), my all time favourite in handling ps/pdf stuff is GSview (http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/gsview/), a frontend to gs. You may open your.ps in GSview, go to file|convert and get access to a variety of output devices, e. g. 'jpeggray' which outputs your.jpg in your resulution of choice, and this you may import into OO. It all takes two or three mouse clicks and a few seconds. I thought to try this myself, but I'm stumped. How are you importing a .ps file under OO? I only get it to open as the actual PS code (text version). -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: xfce4 build error
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 07:43:39 -0600 Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: List Trying to upgrade xfce to xfce4 on gentoo, I get the following error on compile. Is there some env var missing that gentoo may not be setting? Any one else update to xfce4 on gentoo. cheers if gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I..-I/usr/include/startup-notification-1.0 -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/include/xfce4 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/include/xfce4 -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/X11R6/include -I../common -DPACKAGE_LOCALE_DIR=\/usr/share/locale\ -DDATADIR=\/usr/share/xfwm4\ -march=pentium3 -O3 -pipe -MT xfwm4-events.o -MD-MP -MF .deps/xfwm4-events.Tpo \ -c -o xfwm4-events.o `test -f 'events.c' || echo './'`events.c; \ then mv -f .deps/xfwm4-events.Tpo .deps/xfwm4-events.Po; \ else rm -f .deps/xfwm4-events.Tpo; exit 1; \ fi In file included from client.c:51: startup_notification.h:31:22: libsn/sn.h: No such file or directory In file included from events.c:46: startup_notification.h:31:22: libsn/sn.h: No such file or directory make[2]: *** [xfwm4-events.o] Error 1 make[2]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs make[2]: *** [xfwm4-client.o] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/xfwm4-4.0.0/work/xfwm4-4.0.0/src' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/xfwm4-4.0.0/work/xfwm4-4.0.0' make: *** [all] Error 2 !!! ERROR: xfce-base/xfwm4-4.0.0 failed. !!! Function src_compile, Line 31, Exitcode 2 !!! (no error message) On my system, this is in /usr/include/startup-notification-1.0/libsn and qpkg -f usr/include/startup-notification-1.0/libsn indicates that this is a part of x11-libs/startup-notification. For now, emerge startup-notification. Not quite sure why xfce4 is looking for this or why it's not listed as a dependancy in the ebuild(s). I suggest you search and then open a bugzilla report for this. HTH. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: virii
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:19:27 -0500 Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not new. It's been around awhile. It hit hard, slacked off and seems to be picking up again. With Christmas coming I imagine a lot of people have bought brand new boxes from Dell, etc. with XP and are providing a lot of new targets for these trojans to infect and annoy us G. Bob Hemus wrote: The server from which I receive my mail started using postini.com for a mail filter. Up 'til yesterday they mostly screened spam with an occasional virus, may one or two a week. Starting late Thursday through Friday there were 29 messages that they had flagged for spam. Have you folks been bombarded like that? I just downloaded my mail again and their was another patch for M$ with this header: I receive only one a few weeks ago sent to my wife's email address; none to my own address. Being a wary M$ user, I dispatched it forthwith to the trash. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: TextMaker
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 05:08:09 -0500 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Consuming 0.3K bytes, Kurt Wall blathered: Has anyone received their TextMaker $11.11 download instructions yet? I've not seen mine... Works everytime - I send this message, and the license informaiton arrives. Hey, I thought I had that method patented! g Mine came through in about a day and a half. I had to try about 3 times to get into the download site. Unlike my prior attempt a few months ago, the authorization code worked first time out of the chute. You gotta love the installation - simplicity personified. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: gentoo news
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 07:06:32 -0500 Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 13 November 2003 22:58 pm, Collins Richey wrote: Gentoo for PowerPC G5 now available Posted on 11 November 2003 by pvdabeel We're proud to announce the availability of the Gentoo for PowerPC G5 32-bit LiveCD. ISOs are now available on our main OSU mirror. There he goes again...:-) old hackers never die, they just run gentoo. :-) -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: rms: 'i'm clueless, dammit!'
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:04:23 -0500 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quoth James McDonald: | But why is RMS so dogged about the distinction? he has that far-away look of the true believer, the staunch idealogue who is untroubled by minor details such as reality. Ever the diplomt; I would have said because he is an a##hole. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
way ot
I'm too much of an email/etc youngster to understand shortcuts like :-) and ;-) My google searches have produced no results. Where are these defined? -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
A First Look: Next-Generation Debian Installer
FYI Some Breaking News.. A First Look: Next-Generation Debian Installer http://www.linmagau.org For those of you who aren't familiar with the site, it's work bookmarking. linmagau issues a lot of informative howto reports. As a side note, they are quite debian-centric. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spamassassin's sa-learn
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 07:34:36 -0600 Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: M.W. Chang wrote: It seems that mozilla's built-in bayesian filter works better than SpamAssassin. Until now, SA failed to identify many Chinese spam while mozilla can correctly move them into the Junk folder on reception. I've been using Moz Firebird as my only email for quite some time now. And have been somewhat disappointed in the filters. It catches alot of the junk right away, but it doesn't seem to be learning. I get the same spam from the same scammers every day and no matter how many times I flag it as junk it continues to show up. But it is a 0.7 Beta so I don't want to be critical of it, just hope they flesh it out in the near future. Agrred. Since Mozilla have indicated that Firebird is the once-and-future-browser, it would seem that improvements are to be expected. I've been using Firebird since it's early days, and it's quite good. Nevertheless, 0.7 has more of a propensity to just go poof (TM) than earlier versions; segfault I presume. Perhaps I should resume the practice of getting the CVS versions. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: way ot
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:42:40 -0500 Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 14 November 2003 9:19 am, Collins Richey wrote: :-) and ;-) A smile (on its side) and a smile with a wink. Many thanks to all who responded. As usual, I'm way behind the times. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: way ot
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:27:46 -0500 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quoth Collins Richey: | I'm too much of an email/etc youngster to understand shortcuts like | | :-) and ;-) | | My google searches have produced no results. | | Where are these defined? do a search on emoticons. Aha, thanks. Since I never heard of an emoticon, that's probably why I didn't find anything on google. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spamassassin's sa-learn
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:51:20 -0700 Myles Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 10:23:16AM -0500, Bruce Marshall wrote: Hmmm I don't think I've ever seen .7 go poof Perhaps it's your . naw I won't go there... :-) But it's been rock solid here. I've been getting the same problem as Collins myself (on Slackware 9.1). Being too lazy to build it myself, I've been using the pre-built version with xft enabled. I just attributed it to that fact. Did you build your own by any chance? HAND Myles Nope... just downloaded the tarball.. Running it on both SuSE 9.0 and 8.2 Hmmm... then it must be something else that Collins and I have in common. My hardware: Athlon 1800+ 1.5GB PC2700 DDR RAM (Samsung) nVidia Geforce2 MX 400 (using nvidia drivers) PS/2 keyboard USB wheel mouse (Logitech) using IMPS/2 protocol I've run Memtest86 on the RAM, one stick at a time and all three at once, with no errors - even after 48 hours. FWIW, I'm not running a 2.6 kernel yet. My symptoms are that X keeps crashing with no errors showing in the logs. It's gotten so bad I gave up using X several days ago and gone back to the basics as my signature suggests. My hardware is similar but PC133 ram, only PS/2 stuff, no USB at present, using the nvidia 4496 drivers, Kernel 2.6.test8. The kernel frequently logs some non-critical errors generated by the nvidia crap, but X never dies, nor do any apps fail for the most part. When I say poof, I should be more specific - maybe 3 times in 3 months. The failures are random - once after a download completed; the other times retreiving a new page with several tabs open. I'm using a binary installed via a standard gentoo package. Other than this I can give Firebird 0.7 a clean bill of health, well almost. I do encounter the occasional url with a webpage that doesn't format very well, but that's probably due to some ie6-specific stuff in the page. In your case, Myles, I would suspect nvidia drivers, USB mouse, combination of all of the above with acpi, or ???, probably nothing to do with Firebird. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: StarOffice 7 user question
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 23:35:23 -0500 Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just tried to time the starts on three machines. The older version of Star Office (6.0) let me count to 15 (one one thousand, two one thousand, etc) before it was started on a 1 gig duron with 256meg. SO 5.2 on an .8 gig Athlon and 770 megs took so long I thought it wasn't going to start (got to over 20 counting before I gave up counting, but it finally started, maybe in 25 secs.) On a 1 gig duron with 650megs SO 7.0 started up by the time I got to 5. So, startup time is reduced by 66% in my tests, which I consider official and final. I can't compare SO 6 and SO 7 on the same machine because SO 7 removed SO 6 when it was installed. The improvements are similar with OO. I run an AthlonXP 1800+ with 512M. Earlier versions of OO took 20+ seconds to initialize. OO 1.1.0 takes 5.5 seconds on initial startup, 3.5 seconds on subsequent startups. On prior versions, there was a substantial difference between source-compiled code (10+ hours and 5 Gig temporary space, ouch) and binary code from OO, but this is less noticeable now that OO has cleaned up their code. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fedora getting some bad reviews
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:03:00 -0600 Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins Richey wrote: If my memory serves me correctly, fedora is using the same philosophy that RH used in the past. RH releases (at least until very recently) have always needed more time in the oven. In the past that was true of RH in my experience, but since about 7.1 their releases have all been very stable. RH9 is terrific. Course, Fedora isn't RH - that's the official line anyway. This is one reason I prefer the gentoo model - incremental releases (that usually aren't too painful) over a long period. Unlike the RH approach, gentoo doesn't mark a new compiler release as stable for common use until most all packages work with the new compiler. Yes; there are some definite advantages. Disadvantages too. In theory Fedora is somewhat more geared toward an incremental model (faster releases with incremental updates along the way). I suppose we will just have to wait and see what becomes of our favorite distro. Do any of those alternative dictionaries say that patience is a four-letter word? :-) Yeah, and I definitely don't have the four-letter-word it takes to wade through 400+ postings a day on the fedora-users list to keep current! Silly me, I thought the gentoo-users group was a firehose. And the one missing element in RH-centric distros is a common repository of RPMs for anything outside the core products. I've gotten spoiled by the gentoo repository. Given the size of their CD set, I would presume that SuSE is much better than RH in this respect. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE Linux 9.0 Professional Update - night 1
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:43:37 +0100 Roger Oberholtzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 22:09, Andrew L. Gould wrote: I think Gentoo and Debian can upgrade themselves without release cd's; but how much breakage occurs in the process? I have never had breakage in Gentoo. The incremental approach makes it better, I think. I do recall a problem with a glibc update on Gentoo that hosed some systems. That was before my Gentoo days. In the almost 2 years I have used Gentoo, the system has never barfed. I only install stable releases (95% true). I've been using gentoo for a lot longer than that. There are occasional rough spots even on the stable release. The beauty with gentoo is that critical bugs get fixed rapidly. If you do as I do, let recommended upgrades age a week or two, you almost never encounter problems. Most of the problems are with new kde/gnome releases (always buggy). Since I don't use either on a regular basis, new releases are not critical for my system. With the complex interrelationships of software, no one can get it 100% right; someone always has the right combination of software to break things, even those things that have been thoroughly tested. Your alternative is the Debian approach, where nothing is declared stable until its too old to be of current interest and operational on every architecture that debian supports. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: rms: i'm clueless, dammit!
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:10:33 -0500 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stallman's GNU/Linux operating system ... I am concerned about long-term entrenched confusions such as referring to a version of our GNU OS as 'Linux' RMS get stuffed! -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [EmperorLinux-os-RedHat] do not use : GLIBC update packages ( from Red Hat Network)
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:05:05 -0500 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Consuming 0.8K bytes, Net Llama! blathered: On 11/13/03 17:04, dep wrote: quoth Kurt Wall: | Consuming 2.3K bytes, Net Llama! blathered: | I can vouch for this. My RH9 box is trashed as a result. | | [badly borken glibc] | | Whoops! leave it to redhat. what was it last time? gcc-2.7.6 or something? What last time? Let's not play revisionist historians, ok? Indeed. GCC 2.96; glibc 2.0.7; NPTL; problems running RPM on kernel 2.5. Shall I continue? I actually had fairly good results with fedora and RH7.3, but RH does have a few well recorded problems. Oh well, someone on the list used to fault me for my bleeding edge gentoo. Life has been pretty stable on the bleeding edge. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
gentoo news
Gentoo for PowerPC G5 now available Posted on 11 November 2003 by pvdabeel We're proud to announce the availability of the Gentoo for PowerPC G5 32-bit LiveCD. ISOs are now available on our main OSU mirror. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [EmperorLinux-os-RedHat] do not use : GLIBC update packages ( from Red Hat Network)
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:05:05 -0500 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Consuming 0.8K bytes, Net Llama! blathered: On 11/13/03 17:04, dep wrote: quoth Kurt Wall: | Consuming 2.3K bytes, Net Llama! blathered: | I can vouch for this. My RH9 box is trashed as a result. | | [badly borken glibc] | | Whoops! leave it to redhat. what was it last time? gcc-2.7.6 or something? What last time? Let's not play revisionist historians, ok? Indeed. GCC 2.96; glibc 2.0.7; NPTL; problems running RPM on kernel 2.5. Shall I continue? I'm curious. Until last year I had avoided RH like the plague. Were these glitches only for desktop users, or did they propagate all the fubars to their server releases as well? -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE Linux 9.0 Professional Update - night 1 ot
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:44:47 -0500 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Consuming 0.5K bytes, Terence McCarthy blathered: On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:12:39 -0600 Andrew L. Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I forgot the wink. (I hope I'm not **that** cynical.) :-) Remember Ambrose Beirce (The Devil's Dictionary) A cynic is a man whose faulty vision sees things as they are, and not as they ought to be. :-)) Indeed. Although I personally prefer Bierce's definition of optimist, A proponent of the doctrine that black is white. And the classic (unknown origin): The optimist believes that we live in the best of all possible worlds; the pessimist believes that this is true. Or my favorite: A man has two sons, an optimist and a pessimist. For Christmas he gives the pessimist a bright shiny new bicycle. The pessimist scowls - it will probably break or get stolen or I'll scrape my knee. He gives the optimist a sack of horse turds. The optomist grins from ear to ear - I know there's a pony here somewhere. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
another warm fuzzy from M$
Slashdot: Experiences w/ Drive Imaging Software? Microsoft supplies no method of backing up and restoring fully operational copies of Windows 2000 and Windows XP. Microsoft's advice is to reinstall the operating system and all programs every time you want to move to a new or backup computer. I read that twice before I realized they weren't joking. Makes you want to run out and buy an XP machine right now grin. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
SB PCI 16 (ens1371) sound card with alsa (workaround)
FYI, A few months back I posted a query about getting my sound card to work with alsa (already working with the OSS es1371 module). After endless experimentation and reporting the problem to alsa (basically no response from them, alas and damn), I finally have a workaround. I'm using the alsa modules in the 2.6 kernel, but I imagine this would apply to the separately installed alsa modules for 2.4 as well. The answer to this in a nutshell is that the ens1371 module (or devfsd) is not smart enough to initialize the card properly on the first attempt. All the standard alsa instructions (generating modules, setting up aliases for module loading) are correct as published. If I utilize a boot time runscript or simply issue modprobe snd-ens1371, the sound card clicks to indicate that it is working, but devfsd does not generate the /dev/dsp, etc. entries, so the card is not usable. What I have to do is modprobe snd-ens1371 rmmod snd-ens1371 modprobe snd-ens137 I don't know whether this is a bug with alsa or with devfsd, but at least I have a workaround. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Braindead Windows
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:02:05 -0800 Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 10 November 2003 08:11 pm, Joel Hammer wrote: Yes, I have also found another use for windows. Politics. I have gotten, by default, the job of getting us up and going with digital photography in our pathology department. You have to experience it to believe it, but our IS department is trying to make my life as difficult as possible because I bought a computer from the digital camera company, not through IS. Our IS steals software and hardware from people who buy through them and not straight from the vendor. Seriously. And, of course, IS bids for hardware are slow and over priced. If I suggested linux, they would use that against me for sure and fight like tooth and nail all the way. We are talking seriously computer impaired but politically savvy people. They have to be politically savvy because they keep their jobs despite knowing nothing about computers. I consulted for a place once that, when I told IS I wanted to run linux on the in-house computer they gave me to use, basically threated to fire me. I literally had to hide the linux partition on the box. I'm not there anymore, and I'm sure the partition is still there. They probably can't figure out why the hard disk only appears to be half as big as it is supposed to be. Just another proof of the maxim: If you don't know sh*t, you will be put in charge of those who do. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Love on board
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:48:30 -0500 Chris Kassopulo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Former Caldera CEO Ransom Love joins Progeny board http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/11/11/0333248 I haven't kept track of Progeny, but after visiting their website, one thing is apparent: In spite of the fact that Ian Murdock runs the show, the only reference on their home page to GNU-bleeding-linux is in a link to a news article! There is hope. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Love on board
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:01:57 -0600 Andrew L. Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So yes, he had a hand in many of today's circumstances; however, I choose to disassociate today's SCO from Ransom Love's Caldera that created eDesktop 2.4. (Ahh, the memories of my early newbiness.) Speaking of which, I was wandering through a MicroCenter store just yesterday and found a copy of Caldera OpenLinux between the RedHats and SuSEs. Shades of yesteryear. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
MS cart before the horse
From a Linux Today quote. Microsoft Corp. is preparing a major PR assault over Windows' perceived security failings in which it will criticize Linux for taking too long to fix bugs... Too bad it's not a major assault on the major source of security problems - Windows architecture. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: textmaker for very little money, tuesday only
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:00:35 -0800 Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 11 November 2003 01:23 pm, Kurt Wall wrote: Quoth M.W. Chang: better than open office? Yup, in the same way that single malt scotch is better than Listerine. Kurt On this thread, someone commented that they had pretty good success with OO and textmaker re: Word format docs. Just for grins, I loaded up OO and opened up a Word doc that someone just sent me. Looked pretty wierd in OO but looked perfect with textmaker. I've gone both ways OO-Doc and vice versa. The key to getting good results (for me at least) is to have identical fonts. If you are going to do this on a regular basis, you really need a copy of the Windows fonts available to OO. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: RHEL Fedora Comparison
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:17:37 -0600 Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Red Hat finally put up a fairly well done side-by-side comparison between RH Enterprise Linux, Fedora and the now discontinued RH Linux. http://www.redhat.com/software/rhelorfedora/ I put up a copy a few days ago and ran it for a few days using the default Gnome and Evolution. It's not a bad distro. Easy to install, but a few fatal flaws. It failed to detect my NIC as a Tulip card (picked some off the wall choice), but it did select the appropriate OSS module form my soundcard, and the printer was setup automatically. Also, you get no choice about maintaining your own bootloader! I had to let fedora install its own version of grub (fancy screen format and all) then remerge the grub.conf entries after rebooting. Uses apm (instead of the newer acpi, and surprisingly enough it works. I made the mistake of signing up (for a day or two) for the fedora email list. Lots of good info, but 400 posts a day! Bleeding edge? No way! There's nary a 2.6 kernel in sight. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Novell buys SuSE!
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 22:35:56 +0100 Roger Oberholtzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been curious what this means for the Ximian desktop. Novell also bought them. Perhaps a merging of the two? Does this mean SuSE will become more Gnome-ish? That would be too bad, IMHO. But I would love to see Evolution grow. Maybe not crash all the time when connecting to an Outhouse server. The irony is that the one part of Evolution I have actually paid for is the one part that does not work. The rest I like very much. Bumped Sylpheed of the desk... I used Ximian Evolution for a few days on fedora core 1. Not bad overall. Really simple to setup folders and filters. The one feature I found difficult to get used to was the display of threads - too little indent after the first entry in a thread, so my weak old eyes couldn't pick out start and stop of a thread very easily. I don't have an Outhouse server to try, thank the good lord. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Braindead Windows
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:28:19 -0600 Alan Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Windows is braindead. But you knew that. Today at work I had some postscript files in an e-mail I wanted to print. The e-mail was on Windows. Futzed around, couldn't find anything that would interpret PostScript. So I called our helpdesk. After a good bit of searching his answer was Adobe Distiller. I thanked him, googled, saw that ghostview/ghostscript was the recommended path, downloaded and installed and in 3 minutes was printing. Gad I detest Microsoft. Yeah, but some love it, especially those who don't have the time to devote to learning how to deal with linux, which does require a few brain cells. I have a friend who is putting together a fairly complex software package for hydrology and river bed research. He does all his work on Windows and even uses Gimp (yes, Virginia, there is GTK+ and Gimp for Windows!) for all his graphics work. The audience he is marketing his software to would have relatively little use for linux. You can pick your friends, and you can pick your nose, but you can't pick your friend's nose. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: textmaker for very little money, tuesday only
On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 13:28, Tony Alfrey wrote: On Sunday 09 November 2003 07:05 am, Collins Richey wrote: snip I'm used to waiting for reponse from user groups re open source products, but IMHO a commerical provider needs to have a little better response than this. Perhaps I'll try again or try to buy it during the Karnival madness. Try it; you'll like it. I got a prompt response from textmaker tech support this time. Per their story, an ex-employee sat on a lot of emails, including mine, so I will try the lottery on Tuesday. -- Collins Fedora core 1 system ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Merging pdf files
Methinks it was dep who recently inquired about tools to merge multiple PDF files. There is now an offering on freshmeat. http://freshmeat.net/projects/mbtpdfasm/?branch_id=45151release_id=141607topic_id=861 Enjoy -- Collins Fedora core 1 system ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: KDE/Netscape Lockup
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 21:42:47 -0800 Shawn Tayler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 07:33:34 -0700 Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] professed: Hmmm! I'm using the same nvidia driver, but no lockups. I do, however, get a lot of error messages in /var/log/messages from the crappy nvidia driver. What sort of errors from the nvidia driver are you getting? I don't see any in /var/log/messages. Here's a sample. Same results on all 2.6 kernels with driver 4496. Nov 7 21:08:57 richeypc3 kernel: in_atomic():1, irqs_disabled():0 Nov 7 21:08:57 richeypc3 kernel: Call Trace: Nov 7 21:08:57 richeypc3 kernel: [__might_sleep+160/208] __might_sleep+0xa0/0x d0 Nov 7 21:08:57 richeypc3 kernel: [c011b120] __might_sleep+0xa0/0xd0 Nov 7 21:08:57 richeypc3 kernel: [__alloc_pages+842/848] __alloc_pages+0x34a/0 x350 Nov 7 21:08:57 richeypc3 kernel: [c013973a] __alloc_pages+0x34a/0x350 Nov 7 21:08:57 richeypc3 kernel: [pte_alloc_one+26/80] pte_alloc_one+0x1a/0x50 Nov 7 21:08:57 richeypc3 kernel: [c011776a] pte_alloc_one+0x1a/0x50 Nov 7 21:08:57 richeypc3 kernel: [pte_alloc_map+64/192] pte_alloc_map+0x40/0xc 0 Nov 7 21:08:57 richeypc3 kernel: [c01412b0] pte_alloc_map+0x40/0xc0 Nov 7 21:08:57 richeypc3 kernel: [remap_page_range+180/464] remap_page_range+0 xb4/0x1d0 Nov 7 21:08:57 richeypc3 kernel: [c01422d4] remap_page_range+0xb4/0x1d0 Nov 7 21:08:57 richeypc3 kernel: [_end+543025151/1068184476] nv_kern_mmap+0x31 4/0x367 [nvidia] Nov 7 21:08:57 richeypc3 kernel: [e0b29463] nv_kern_mmap+0x314/0x367 [nvidia ] Nov 7 21:08:57 richeypc3 kernel: [do_mmap_pgoff+784/1696] do_mmap_pgoff+0x310/ : -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: icewm anyone
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 05:43:51 -0800 (PST) Nate Cole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can actually hop over to http://icesoundmanager.sourceforge.net/ and get some nice utilities. I would highly recommend going to the latest non-pre release, currently 1.2.13. It 'seems' to be much quicker than previous releases. This is really a solid WM IMHO, especially for those that don't need a lot of bloat to go with their wm. Nate --- Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone else use icewm? I've been trying it out for a few weeks, and I like it a lot. One thing I have been unsuccessful (after much googling) in finding out. I have utilities installed that allow you to specify sounds for events, and the information gets saved, but I can't find anything in the config files that actually enables this, so of course I get no sounds. Thanks to all who responded. I'll do a little more research: 1. I'm already on 2.3.16, so I don't know about previous speeds - it doesn't get any better than instantaneous g. 2. I'll check the gentoo ebuild to see what I need to do to get the sound module included. 3. I already have the command center software (gentoo calls it icewm-tools). 4. I'm not especially fond of bloat, and I don't need a desktop full of icons (otherwise I'd just boot Win98), so I'll probably stick with icewm for quite a while. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: icewm anyone
On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 08:01:31 -0700 Myles Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins Richey wrote: 1. I'm already on 2.3.16, so I don't know about previous speeds - it doesn't get any better than instantaneous g. ?? 2.3.16? Is this an IceWM version? If so, I'll have to check it out as I was only aware of a 1.2.x branch :-) -- Ah yes, my old eyes fail me once again. Yes, it is 1.2.13. (goes away mumbling). -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Kernel config question
On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 22:10:59 -0500 Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a little hazy on some steps and what they do. I know I need to issue make dep make clean bzImage modules modules_install when I do a new kernel (on a new system). However, if I have an existing system where I just add an option via make menuconfig what steps do I really have to do? I wouldn't think I'd have to reinstall modules. However, if I specify the option I added to be a module I assume I need to do modules AND modules_install? I would recommend you do bzImage modules and modules_install in every case. I confess that I've gotten spoiled on the 2.6 kernels where very little additional work is done if you change a few config parameters and then remake, but I presume the same applies for 2.4 kernels. Let someone else jump in here. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: question
On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:37:13 -0600 Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am having a problem with su - root or to any user being access denied. I have both root and user, me in wheel. I have recently update gentoo. I did lose my passwd and login for user and passwd for root. Able to login to root with no passwd required. Rebuilt /home/user with superadduser. Am I missing something here? The only way that I am aware of that you could lose ability to login is via the update config files (etc-update) process. Some updates will offer to update password and shadow. You should never do this; always purge these update offerings (fstab is another that is a no no). rant I've never considered it a good idea to offer updates for these files, but thus far gentoo has never come up with a replacement philosophy. /rant A good procedure to follow is to backup /etc before doing etc-update. That being said, are there any meaningful messages in /var/log/messages? If you can login as root with no password, you should be able to issue 'passwd' to set a new root password. Maybe this will fix the problem? Another possibility is that there is a problem with some of the files in /etc/pam.d/ - were any of these replaced recently? check /etc/password and /etc/group to verify that the root user is really in group wheel. HTH. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: /lib/modules - rh7.3 vs rh8.0
On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 09:45:33 -0800 Bob Hemus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gentle Folks, I was able to get COL and RH 7.3 to use my CD to write, it read with out any problems. When I installed RH 8.0 and inserted a disk every thing froze up. I couldn't control F1,2, or ?anything to get free. Had to power off and re-boot. Sooo, using Lonnie's proverbial, advice I dug into Running Linux and found the drivers are in /lib/modules. Under /cdrom in 7.3 there are 28 files in /usr/src/linux-2.4.18-3/drivers/cdrom/ In RH8.0 there is just one cdrom file. Is it supposed to handle all of the new hardware and ignore my older stuff? Is there any way I can copy the RH7.3 drivers into the RH8.0? Are the drivers some where else in 8.0? am I SOL trying to use 8.0 and just need to upgrade the kernel and applications in my 7.3? So many questions, so little time. After all, I'm 10 years older than Joel, right at the end. It's not the number of modules but the correct modules. Many of the modules in 7.3 may be for specific hardware that you are not using. That being said, you need a number of modules to support CD writing. On most earlier 2.4 kernels you need SCSI emulation and cdrom support. On the latest 2.4 kernels and on 2.6, you can use ATAPI support to write to cdroms, and the scsi emulation support is not needed. You can't copy modules. If the modules are missing, you will need to generate a new kernel .config with the appropriate options and regenerate kernel and modules. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: /lib/modules - rh7.3 vs rh8.0
On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 12:43:19 -0800 Bob Hemus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins Richey wrote: On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 09:45:33 -0800 Bob Hemus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gentle Folks, I was able to get COL and RH 7.3 to use my CD to write, it read with out any problems. When I installed RH 8.0 and inserted a disk every thing froze up. I couldn't control F1,2, or ?anything to get free. Had to power off and re-boot. Sooo, using Lonnie's proverbial, advice I dug into Running Linux and found the drivers are in /lib/modules. Under /cdrom in 7.3 there are 28 files in /usr/src/linux-2.4.18-3/drivers/cdrom/ In RH8.0 there is just one cdrom file. Is it supposed to handle all of the new hardware and ignore my older stuff? Is there any way I can copy the RH7.3 drivers into the RH8.0? Are the drivers some where else in 8.0? am I SOL trying to use 8.0 and just need to upgrade the kernel and applications in my 7.3? So many questions, so little time. After all, I'm 10 years older than Joel, right at the end. It's not the number of modules but the correct modules. Many of the modules in 7.3 may be for specific hardware that you are not using. I thought that was the case. I just thought that the one driver listed was supposed to be a generic, but maybe disregarded older hardware. The modules listed in 7.3 are for various drives. That being said, you need a number of modules to support CD writing. On most earlier 2.4 kernels you need SCSI emulation and cdrom support. On the latest 2.4 kernels and on 2.6, you can use ATAPI support to write to cdroms, and the scsi emulation support is not needed. It's not that I can't write with the drive, it completely freezes up when I try to read it. The modules listed in the sxs are all in the kernel, sg, ide=scsi, scsi_mod, et all. In fact lsmod on both partitions are identical. You can't copy modules. If the modules are missing, you will need to generate a new kernel .config with the appropriate options and regenerate kernel and modules. OK, that I didn't know. If I download the 2.4.22 kernel or the 2.6.4, will this solve my problem? I've got both of these kernels on a CD, but the CDROM won't operate on my 8.0. Takes a fairly long time to download on my old 33.6 mode. Guess I'll try to download a new kernel. 2.6.4 ??? - I don't think this exists, yet. Development kernel is at 2.6.0_test9 and climbing. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: question
On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 20:13:45 -0600 Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins I feel stupid somethings, in passwd root had root,user changed to root,rick all is good again many thanks That's what's great about this group (at least the most recent reincarnation). People usually respond with help instead of making you feel like a dummy. I can't remember how often I've been amazed by my lack of knowledge. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:31:26 -0600 Jack Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed so... -jhb- -Original Message- From: Rick Sivernell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Star Office 7 Oh, I just turned 57 here in Sept. Hope to die doing two things, ... Sex Computers Hmmm! This is a new concept. Maybe a PDA? -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 00:53:11 -0500 Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just bought SO 7 from the lindows warehouse. At $30 bucks I figured why not, SO6 works well. An immediate, and welcome difference, is that it starts up much faster. This is actually important for reading documents on the internet. And, wonder of wonders, it doesn't start a second instance of itself when you click on two documents in the file browser to edit. That was a pain in SO6. And it has a macro recorder as well as an editor. Now, this is progress. Has anyone used SO7? Any impressions? Tips? Only negative experience. Since I get really good results with OpenOffice, I would never pay even $.02 for Star Office. You, on the other hand, may find some particular feature that makes the departure from open software worthwhile. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Novell buys SuSE!
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 07:31:08 -0800 Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 04 November 2003 06:55 am, Douglas J Hunley wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mickey Hill writes Novell today announced it has entered into an agreement to acquire SUSE LINUX, snip The people on the SuSE list are going berserk. Novell stock is up some 30% on the news. Somebody thinks it's a good idea. I'm one of those somebodies! With Novell's customer network and SUSE's fine linux products, this is a marriage made in heaven. Eat your heart out SCO! -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Novell buys SuSE!
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:05:48 +0100 Roger Oberholtzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 09:15:25 -0700 Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm one of those somebodies! With Novell's customer network and SUSE's fine linux products, this is a marriage made in heaven. Eat your heart out SCO! The following is meant with a mixture of humor and seriousness. This is the same Novell that bought Unix from ATT and botched it? Our company has the good fortune of being the kiss of death to every Unix/Linux platform we have chosen. We have been wondering how SuSE was going down after we settled on it. Our 'heritage' for primary platform is: ATT SVR4 - ATT SVR4.2 - Univel UnixWare - Novell UnixWare - SCO UnixWare - Caldera OpenLinux - SuSE Linux. I would love to be wrong here. But ain't no arguing with history. We have even considered doing the world a big favor and going MS. The feedback on Linux Today is a mixture of SCO take your [EMAIL PROTECTED] and stuff it, KDE will die (the Novel/XIMIAN connection), and bemoaning the loss of European control of a major linux distro. I would think(hope) that Novell has learned something since the Unix debacle. The initial press release indicates that Novell will push the desktop offerings. Since RedHat has chosen to concentrate on servers, this merger (if well executed) could provide the impetus to bring linux to a lot more of the commercial desktop user market. Maybe you won't need to signup with MS, Roger, to hasten the demise of MS! -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
a good knoppix mirror
Does anyone have the url for a responsive knoppix mirror? I would like to refresh my copy, but every mirror I try seems to transfer about 3 bytes per minute. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: a good knoppix mirror
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 07:41:15 +1100 James McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins Richey wrote: Does anyone have the url for a responsive knoppix mirror? I would like to refresh my copy, but every mirror I try seems to transfer about 3 bytes per minute. http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/knoppix/ Thanks, trying it now. It's a little faster than the others, but still not the speeds I'm accustomed to for downloads! -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: backup windows partition (fat)
On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 06:48:16 -0800 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike Reinehr wrote: Rather than purchase commercial software, why not just use tar, cp, dd, or partimage? Partimage will back up to a file, and restore a partition. Don't know about 'fat' partition support. I assume it's in there. http://www.sysresccd.org/systools.en.php looks like a nice set of tools that might help. Thanks, partimage is the answer! I was able to run partimage to save the win98 partition, swap out the drive, reboot and fdisk, then restore the image to the new drive. win98 comes up just fine. Unfortunately, after all is said and done, I only gained 2 gig! My spare drive wasn't as large as I remembered groan. Oh well, I'm sure I'll be doing this again when I have some spare change for a new drive. Thanks for the help. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Novell buys SuSE!
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:59:11 -0500 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quoth Leon A. Goldstein: | Some of us remember what happened to DR DOS and Word Perfect after | Novell bought them. It is not auspicious IMHO. let's hope that there exists an ability to learn. as i understand it, ibm has just invested $50 million in novell, which certainly tells us something. -- DRDOS just plain got MSDOS'd and WIN'd. At the time Novel was flailing around with WordPerfect, no one other than we afficionados really had a vision of linux as a desktop platform with any hopes of competing with MS, so Novel weren't willing to make the investment to do the conversion. According to other articles, IBM has much more riding on the deal than its 2% share would indicate. There are only two possibilities - Novel/SUSE will become a dominent player in the linux marketplace, or they'll go under. I'm betting on the former. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: backup windows partition (fat)
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 17:28:28 -0800 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins Richey wrote: On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 06:48:16 -0800 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike Reinehr wrote: Rather than purchase commercial software, why not just use tar, cp, dd, or partimage? Partimage will back up to a file, and restore a partition. Don't know about 'fat' partition support. I assume it's in there. http://www.sysresccd.org/systools.en.php looks like a nice set of tools that might help. Thanks, partimage is the answer! I was able to run partimage to save the win98 partition, swap out the drive, reboot and fdisk, then restore the image to the new drive. win98 comes up just fine. Unfortunately, after all is said and done, I only gained 2 gig! My spare drive wasn't as large as I remembered groan. Oh well, I'm sure I'll be doing this again when I have some spare change for a new drive. Thanks for the help. With Partimage you might need to resize the filesystem to get the full usage. I seem to remember that if the partition you are restoring to is bigger than the original, you will just use the needed amount. Not sure about that Yeah. Next time I do this I need to defrag the disk, then use parted to shrink it, since I have a fair amount of unused space that I won't ever use in the win98 partition. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 20:12:26 -0500 Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 04 November 2003 20:00 pm, Joel Hammer wrote: On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 08:01:31AM -0700, Collins Richey wrote: Only negative experience. Since I get really good results with OpenOffice, I would never pay even $.02 for Star Office. You, on the other hand, may find some particular feature that makes the departure from open software worthwhile. I have come to the conclusion that my time is worth something. I am now 57, and have only about 5 to 10 years before I get too old to bother much with computers. So, saving time is becoming more important than politics. I am also of the opinion, at least for now, that the open source movement just will not be able to deliver the ease of use of commerical software. What volunteer programmer is going to knock himself out for hours so some lazy non-paying user can have a trouble free software experience? Too often, open source means take it or leave it, blemishes included. I have gotten tired of that. I tip generously at restaurants for good service, so I can't see why I shouldn't pay someone who writes software which saves my time. And, certainly, $30 bucks for a competent suite like Star Office is a bargain. I feel good about supporting both Sun and Lindows, too. Joel Well gee... I guess at 65 and having bought from Sun, I feel 2. times better than you do... :-) I don't know how to do the math. I'm 60 (+++) and have never bought any software for linux (---) since my first Caldera installation. I will probably die at the keyboard, but not anytime soon. I also tip generously, but I'm a cheapskate when it comes to software. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
AutoUpdate
Just found on freshmeat an interesting download and update package for RPM based systems that does dependency checking. http://www.mat.univie.ac.at/~gerald/ftp/autoupdate/index.html -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: a good knoppix mirror
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:09:36 -0700 Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 07:41:15 +1100 James McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins Richey wrote: Does anyone have the url for a responsive knoppix mirror? I would like to refresh my copy, but every mirror I try seems to transfer about 3 bytes per minute. http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/knoppix/ Thanks, trying it now. It's a little faster than the others, but still not the speeds I'm accustomed to for downloads! Ah, (not so sweet) remembrance of 56K modem days. Ouch! Six hours and 78% complete. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: backup windows partition (fat)
On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 20:39:20 -0800 Ted Ozolins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins Richey wrote: Is there an easy way to backup a windows partition then restore it later without gimping anything that windows requires? I have a small hda (hda1 is a win98 partition, the rest is a swap and a linux partition). My active linux systems are on hdb. I want to retain the win98 stuff (rest of hda is not needed) then replace hda with a much larger disk, restore the win98 stuff, redo grub, etc. Booting without hda is no problem, since I have a grub boot disk. I just want to avoid the pain of reinstalling win98 (mucho yucky, worse than configuring sendmail). try and get a copy of ghost. Then you can move the wintendo partition over to the new drive. Less hassle then any back-up scheme. I'm not familiar with ghost. Does this mean create a fat partition on the other drive and then copy, or does ghost do that some other way? Do the from/to partitions need to be identical size? On another note, I just put a new system together and starting the gentoo install as I type. For some reason I could not get my scsi cdrom to boot the live cd. We got arround it and am now waiting for the emerge system to complete. I thought that this wasn't so bad on an AMD 750 Athlon but this 1.8 G Athlon sure seems snappy. Yeah, I'm on the same CPU, and it works great. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
backup windows partition (fat)
Is there an easy way to backup a windows partition then restore it later without gimping anything that windows requires? I have a small hda (hda1 is a win98 partition, the rest is a swap and a linux partition). My active linux systems are on hdb. I want to retain the win98 stuff (rest of hda is not needed) then replace hda with a much larger disk, restore the win98 stuff, redo grub, etc. Booting without hda is no problem, since I have a grub boot disk. I just want to avoid the pain of reinstalling win98 (mucho yucky, worse than configuring sendmail). -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: test message
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:08:14 -0400 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quoth Kurt Wall: | Quoth Keith Morse: | Please ignore. | | Pardon me? Did you say something? No? I didn't think so. hey. cut him a break. he's probably married. -- dep Writing takes no time. It's finding something to say that takes forever. If a tree falls in the forest with no woman present, is the man still at fault? -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
BarbieOS anyone?
Ok, who'll be first to try BarbieOS 1.0? It's debian based; if it's named gnu/barbie, I'll puke. http://linuxtoday.com/developer/2003102400226NWCY -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Gentoo's emerge ported to Slackware 9.1
On 22 Oct 2003 06:39:40 -0400 burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 04:50, James McDonald wrote: What does Emerde mean in French? Merde is french for sh*t. Presumably eMerde is web-enabled sh*t. -- burns And, if it's anything like to original portage, it's good sh*t! -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: A real Gentoo Nugget!
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 05:36:53 -0500 David A. Bandel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 23:01:08 -0400 Jerry McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just found this in the Gentoo Portage Tree and... well... I'm busting at the seams to share what I found The Linux Gazette is there! Yeah, yeah... I know... but I'm a lovable geek! Just emerge linux-gazette for the latest edition or linux-gazette-all for the whole kit-n-kabootle... And the benefit of emerging this would be? Since I can browse this anytime, why do I need it on my harddrive? -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: 'smbmount' hangs
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:31:17 -0400 Jerry McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 20 October 2003 07:37 pm, Michael Hipp wrote: Tim Wunder wrote: I've seen something similar to this on comp.protocols.smb, IIRC Yes, check out: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=enlr=ie=UTF-8threadm=9Xb4b.38159%24 yg.16583965%40news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.netrnum=2prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dfstab%2Bgr oup:comp.protocols.smb%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26group%3Dcomp.proto cols.smb%26selm%3D9Xb4b.38159%2524yg.16583965%2540news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net% 26rnum%3D2 Someone had a similar issue with smb mounts in the fstab file and someone else posted a suitable workaround. Thanks. That seems to be a serviceable workaround, if a bit inelegant. Some more searching based on the lead you gave led me to a chap who said the answer is to a recompile a newer kernel (something like 2.4.21 or better). Bleah. That's too much work. If you ever get around to compiling a new kernel... check out the 2.60 series. Quite nice. Is compiling a kernel more work that screwing around with apps that don't work properly on an older kernel? Second vote for 2.6 kernels. Nothing special, but no bugs have I found in 3 months. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Gentoo's emerge ported to Slackware 9.1
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:39:10 -0600 Myles Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Believe it or not! It's called Emerde... http://freshmeat.net/projects/emerde/?topic_id=41%2C147%2C861 I've downloaded it and will try it out a bit later this week. Our French friends might be offended! -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Irritating Spam/Worm(?)
On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 20:39:20 +0800 Chong Yu Meng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David A. Bandel wrote: Just look at the full header. It shows the originating IP right at the top. Would this be it ? Received: from infomail.es (39038.rad.tsai.es [195.235.39.38]) So, assuming that I wanted to follow up on this, do I send an email to the administrator of that block? Would it do any good ? Regards, pascal chong Maybe, maybe not. There's always the possibility that this is the ip address of an already virus infected windows box! -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I need a distro recommendation!
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 20:43:00 + Robert E. Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Myles Green wrote: I belive it was Robert E. Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] who wrote: snippage Slackware looks like my best option right now... as I've got the Slackware LiveCD loaded on there right now, and it's really fast and really nice looking (it's actually faster than Redhat was running off the disk). Any reason why I shouldn't use slackware or I should use one of the others I've listed (or ones I've forgotten to list?) Ease of use after installation, lack of show-stopping bugs (i.e. no workarounds just to get on the web to get mail- we had that with Redhat on the laptop), and fast setup are of main importance (oh yeah.. free as well). It sounds like you've made your choice already. Add SWARET to keep it (Slackware) updated and you're all set. Although, if he really is computer illiterate you'd best make sure *everything* is set up before turning him loose with it, otherwise you'll run the risk of turning him off of Linux. Slackware can be hard on newbies, or so I'm told (it was my first distro and I still use it shrug). Or, as someone else suggested, leave Windows on it ;o) Well.. He does have some Linux experience to the point that he can use it just like he uses Windows without fear of the thing crashing... SWARET looks pretty cool... if I could train him to use the command line (as it is he gets hung up about the domain/login stuff that appears before the # or $...) He won't be turned off of the OS even though some people unfortunately should be. Do you know if it's possible to use a GUI (actual GUI.. gswaret looks nice but it's still kinda textish) with SWARET? If you can, then Slackware is definitely going on there instead of Debian (as Synaptic is a great little tool). It all depends on what you can tolerate. If you want easy as falling off a log, something like Mandrake is an ok choice. I bit the bullet about 3.5 years ago, installed gentoo, spent several days compiling, and haven't looked back except to experiment with the other distros. Upgrades are almost painless except for compile time. Unlike your experiences, I had very good results with RedHat 7.3, although I haven't tried the later for-pay versions. Now that apt2rpm (sp?) is available to automate RPM stuff, you could stay up to date fairly easily. On the other hand, for a relatively knowledgable user (aye, there's the rub), my second choice would be Slackware. Particularly now that SWARET(sp?) is available to automate your maintenance tasks. Lycoris (Debian based) is supposed to be good also, but once again not free. So the choices are free/not-free, good/sloppy, quick/slow. You may not find an optimal answer. Enjoy. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I need a distro recommendation!
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, Collins Richey wrote: Lycoris (Debian based) is supposed to be good also, but once again not free. Unless they really changed direction, Lycoris is based on Caldera, not Debian. Yeah, that was a brain fart: I meant libranet. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I need a distro recommendation!
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 20:35:58 -0400 Leon A. Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob Raymond wrote: Leon A. Goldstein wrote: Bob Raymond wrote inter alia: Debian... I'm also willing to try it... but I just have a bad taste in my mouth after the last time I tried it (though that was several years ago- I just hated having to wait for up to date versions to make it into stable, which I'm definitely going to be using on someone else's machine). You can download a free copy of Libranet 2.7 and try it. No telling if it will run your sound though. Libranet 2.8/2.8.1 added ALSA. Well... Intel I810 sound works with OSS.. but one of my big gripes with Redhat was that it didn't have ALSA, so sound kept cutting out all the time at first. I don't particularly like admin'ing his machine when I have a million of my own things to be doing, so since Slackware and Debian seem to have ALSA for free, plus from what I've read (and seen in the case of Debian with that ancient Potato) they seem to be really stable, I'll give them a try first. Thanks tho Bob Raymond Libranet 2.7 set up sound during installation on my P4 box, also with i810 sound. You can always gor the Knoppix route too. Having once tried true debian myself (what a POS), I have to agree with Leon. If you want debian, get libranet. The other possibility is to install from KNOPPIX and then upgrade. I did this once, and it was ok. But then, as you already said, Slack will do nicely -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I need a distro recommendation!
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 20:35:58 -0400 Leon A. Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob Raymond wrote: Leon A. Goldstein wrote: Bob Raymond wrote inter alia: Debian... I'm also willing to try it... but I just have a bad taste in my mouth after the last time I tried it (though that was several years ago- I just hated having to wait for up to date versions to make it into stable, which I'm definitely going to be using on someone else's machine). You can download a free copy of Libranet 2.7 and try it. No telling if it will run your sound though. Libranet 2.8/2.8.1 added ALSA. Well... Intel I810 sound works with OSS.. but one of my big gripes with Redhat was that it didn't have ALSA, so sound kept cutting out all the time at first. I don't particularly like admin'ing his machine when I have a million of my own things to be doing, so since Slackware and Debian seem to have ALSA for free, plus from what I've read (and seen in the case of Debian with that ancient Potato) they seem to be really stable, I'll give them a try first. Thanks tho Bob Raymond Libranet 2.7 set up sound during installation on my P4 box, also with i810 sound. You can always gor the Knoppix route too. One final shot on this. Leon, I know you have used libranet for a long time. Does libranet get around the debian stable = hopelessly antequated problem pretty well, i.e. relatively current packages are available? -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I need a distro recommendation!
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:57:29 -0700 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins Richey wrote: One final shot on this. Leon, I know you have used libranet for a long time. Does libranet get around the debian stable = hopelessly antequated problem pretty well, i.e. relatively current packages are available? I'll second Leon's Libranet recommendation. And Yes, the packages in Libranet 2.8/2.8.1 are quite up to date. They base it on 'testing' now, with many 'unstable' packages included. (Not that they are unstable, just from the unstable branch). And if you get the freebie, 2.7, you can always change the /etc/apt/sources.list file to reflect the testing or unstable branch and go at it, updating the whole thing if you want to. (but careful, you can screw things up totally sometimes) Those who don't like debian should look at Libranet, which has a good install and is up to date, with a bunch of good users on a forum and mailing list. Thanks for the additional info. If you get the paid-up version, does libranet provide updates from time to time to keep you up to date, or do you have to monitor the debian sites to find out what's going on? The primary reason I stick with gentoo is the ease of updating. A few times a week, I run 'emerge sync' (update the list of available packages) and 'emerge -pu world' (list the new stable updates that are available based on what I have installed). Is that type of operation easy on libranet/debian? -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: yet another .pdf question
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 23:17:29 -0400 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quoth Net Llama!: | You could always print the pages to postscript, and then open it with | ghostview. that i have done. i've even used ps2pdf to make the resulting file into a .pdf. but the thing has big black bands across every page when opened with acrobat. the whole purpose is to make it portable, and .ps isn't as portable as .pdf is. -- Bummer! OpenOffice allows you to create a pdf, but you can't read one! You might try http://www.pdf995.com/ on a WinBlast machine to convert the file to .doc or something else. It looks like there is a free version. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Has open software gone nuts?
http://www.forbes.com/2003/10/14/cz_dl_1014linksys.html This type of legal-schmegal wrangling is what we expect from SCO and its brethren. It smells no better when it comes from OSS. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Has open software gone nuts?
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, Collins Richey wrote: http://www.forbes.com/2003/10/14/cz_dl_1014linksys.html This type of legal-schmegal wrangling is what we expect from SCO and its brethren. It smells no better when it comes from OSS. I see nothing wrong with it. How would you propose that the GPL be enforced? What I read from this is an interpretation of the GPL that could loosely be expressed as what is mine is mine, what is yours is also mine. I personally don't believe that such an interpretation has any real benefit, although I'm certain that proponents of the GPL might disagree. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SMPEG SOLVED
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 01:17:47 -0700 Ted Ozolins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James McDonald wrote: Firstly IANAE (I am not an expert) but when I get undefined reference errors I look at all the -l statements in the compile command line and make sure I have a corresponding libm or libSDL or libpthread etc in /usr/lib (or wherever your distro keeps your libraries) and also that I have the development headers for those packages installed. I went looking for the devel-libs and I didn't have them. Once I downloaded and compiled those it all worked just fine. Dang! impatience can sure slow things downG Ah, the marvels, once again, of distros and package managers that don't do dependancy resolution for you! On my accursed distro, I never have to worry about this grin. I might want a different approach on a server, but for a PODU (plain ole desktop user), it's great that when I install a package everything necessary is installed. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Stupid RPM, or just me???
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 23:27:17 +1000 James McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins Richey wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 18:25:36 -0500 Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could somebody tell me what I'm doing wrong, or is RPM a Microsoft conspiracy to make Linux look bad: I love it! Will file this away. RPM, like any other software product, has syntax that must be learned. That being said, any package manager that does not do dependancy resolution is borken, from my perspective. So that raises a question. What application can replace rpm and provide dependency resolution? Suggestions anyone. As far as I know, there is no hope for RPM based distros. gentoo (portage), debian (apt-get), slackware (suaret), or the xxxBSD (ports) are the only possibilities that I'm aware of. I failed to mention the other borken problem with RPM. RPM insists on looking at system libraries only from the perspective of a spec file instead of detecting the existing libraries, so RPMs have to be designed for a specific distro. With this particular flaw, I find it amazing the the LSB has accepted RPM as the package manager to support! -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Stupid RPM, or just me???
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:51:56 -0400 Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/10/2003 9:27 AM, I believe that James McDonald wrote: Collins Richey wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 18:25:36 -0500 Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could somebody tell me what I'm doing wrong, or is RPM a Microsoft conspiracy to make Linux look bad: I love it! Will file this away. RPM, like any other software product, has syntax that must be learned. That being said, any package manager that does not do dependancy resolution is borken, from my perspective. So that raises a question. What application can replace rpm and provide dependency resolution? Suggestions anyone. apt4rpm Tell us more! Does apt4rpm really run the dependancy chains and download prerequisites? That would make RPM almost tolerable. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Nvidia and kernel 2.4.6?
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 00:45:39 +1000 James McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken Moffat wrote: Anyone using kernel 2.4.6 with Nvidia drivers? Just wonder if it works Thanks. I tried the Nvidia drivers under 2.6test2 and they failed to compile Using the default X nv driver works but the OpenGL support is (subjectively) slower than the closed source nvidia drivers. (Running chromium bsu is vslow) Hmm jas I am going to check http://www.nvidia.com Nope no mention of any 2.5 or 2.6 support... so looks like it's the XFree86 drivers or nothing. No, no! Works just fine on 2.5.x through 2.6.0-test6 (several months now). I'm using nvidia-kernel-1.0.4496-r3 and nvidia-glx-1.0.4496, but I've heard that the next lower versions will work also. These are masked, so you will need ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Nvidia and kernel 2.4.6?
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:47:23 -0600 Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 00:45:39 +1000 James McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken Moffat wrote: Anyone using kernel 2.4.6 with Nvidia drivers? Just wonder if it works Thanks. I tried the Nvidia drivers under 2.6test2 and they failed to compile Using the default X nv driver works but the OpenGL support is (subjectively) slower than the closed source nvidia drivers. (Running chromium bsu is vslow) Hmm jas I am going to check http://www.nvidia.com Nope no mention of any 2.5 or 2.6 support... so looks like it's the XFree86 drivers or nothing. No, no! Works just fine on 2.5.x through 2.6.0-test6 (several months now). I'm using nvidia-kernel-1.0.4496-r3 and nvidia-glx-1.0.4496, but I've heard that the next lower versions will work also. These are masked, so you will need ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86. I get easily confused. My instructions were for what you need to do on gentoo. Just go to the nvidia site and get the downloads. As I remember it, nvidia packs both -kernel and -glx in the same tarball. Follow their instructions. There are probably RPMs, too, but I've never checked that out. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Nvidia and kernel 2.4.6?
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:03:56 +1000 James McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins Richey wrote: On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 00:45:39 +1000 James McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken Moffat wrote: Anyone using kernel 2.4.6 with Nvidia drivers? Just wonder if it works Thanks. I tried the Nvidia drivers under 2.6test2 and they failed to compile Using the default X nv driver works but the OpenGL support is (subjectively) slower than the closed source nvidia drivers. (Running chromium bsu is vslow) Hmm jas I am going to check http://www.nvidia.com Nope no mention of any 2.5 or 2.6 support... so looks like it's the XFree86 drivers or nothing. No, no! Works just fine on 2.5.x through 2.6.0-test6 (several months now). I'm using nvidia-kernel-1.0.4496-r3 and nvidia-glx-1.0.4496, but I've heard that the next lower versions will work also. These are masked, so you will need ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86. So you didn't use the nvidia monolithic *.run file package but the individual kernel / glx packages? Maybe that was why I couldn't get it to compile as I used the *.run package. Can you explain what the ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 line is. Is it an environment variable or something int he packages you need to set? Sorry for the confusion - these were gentoo instructions. I believe that gentoo just downloads the *.run package and then installs it as two separate elements. The key to it is to get level 4496 (or perhaps 1 level lower). Anything prior to that won't work on the 2.6 kernels. Since gentoo packages everything automatically, I haven't really kept track of the alternative installation methods. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SCO Woes III: 6 weeks later. I still can't buy a license from SCO.
On Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:57:53 -0400 M. Drew Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] (by way of Douglas J Hunley[EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 SCO Woes III: 6 weeks later. I still can't buy a license from SCO. by Drew I can't believe that a sales force is this incompetent, or instead of that possibility, that SCO could be so blatantly outright in their lying about license availability. Darl, reading this? Sell me a license. If it is in fact available, fire your sales force for incompetence. I can certainly believe all of the above (incompetence+lying). Darl would have to fire himself first. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: RH9 and xedit
On Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:30:09 -0400 (EDT) Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 9 Oct 2003, Tim Wunder wrote: On 10/9/2003 1:13 PM, I believe that Net Llama! wrote: On Thu, 9 Oct 2003, Michael Hipp wrote: Net Llama! wrote: Now that I've started to deploy RH9 on several boxes, the lack of xedit has started to annoy me a lot. I like xedit, because its a bare bones X text editor. Anyone know why RH9 doesn't include xedit (which i thought was part of XFree86)? Anyone know how i could get xedit without building XFree86 from source? Did older versions of RH include it? Could you just copy it from an older one? RH-7.3 does. I know i could try copying the binary, but i'm just puzzled as to why its missing. Hmmm... FWIW, it's there in RHL 8.0. /usr/X11R6/bin/xedit $ rpm -qf /usr/X11R6/bin/xedit XFree86-tools-4.2.1-21 Maybe you don't have XFree86-tools installed... $ rpm -q XFree86-tools XFree86-tools-4.3.0-2 Can't help you with RedHat, but gentoo installs it as a standard part of xfree-4.3.0-r2. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Stupid RPM, or just me???
On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 18:25:36 -0500 Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could somebody tell me what I'm doing wrong, or is RPM a Microsoft conspiracy to make Linux look bad: I love it! Will file this away. RPM, like any other software product, has syntax that must be learned. That being said, any package manager that does not do dependancy resolution is borken, from my perspective. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: sharing an inbox in kmail
On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 11:33:07 -0400 Herb DeLong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My ISP lets us have two email addresses at no extra charge. She has her's and I have mine. True enough, but the originator of this thread specifically said that he uses a common address for family to respond with items of interest to both of them. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: TEST
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 23:22:33 +1000 James McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: burns wrote: OK, when? LOL sheesh... I think I'll write a bogus request for help next time something like. Guys, I'm tired of Linux and I realize that microsoft has been badly maligned and really should be given a second chance. How do I transfer my data away from Linux accross to my new Windows XP installation that is just so much more user friendly. Yours Sincerely [EMAIL PROTECTED] Can't resist! Currently you can't access your old data from XP. Merely wait until your XP is cracked, and then you won't be able to access anything. grin -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: TEST
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 09:30:59 -0400 Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/3/2003 9:22 AM, I believe that James McDonald wrote: burns wrote: OK, when? LOL sheesh... I think I'll write a bogus request for help next time something like. Guys, I'm tired of Linux and I realize that microsoft has been badly maligned and really should be given a second chance. How do I transfer my data away from Linux accross to my new Windows XP installation that is just so much more user friendly. Yours Sincerely [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wasn't there a time when this list required a story if you sent a test post? Am I really remembering that, or have I not had enough coffee, yet? Of course. A bare TEST message (with or without [please] ignore) simply means reply with wiseass remarks! -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: TEST
On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 17:02:59 +0100 Terence McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 07:37:54 -0600 Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course. A bare TEST message (with or without [please] ignore) simply means reply with wiseass remarks! OK, so when do we get some? Check the archives. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mozilla Java Plugin
On 03 Oct 2003 13:32:43 -0400 Allan Rabenau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have installed RH 9, and am using Mozilla 1.2.1. I have downloaded Java j2re-1_4_2.01 and would like to add it as a plugin to the Mozilla, but I can't find any instructions. There is an sxs addressing this idea, but it refers to files that are not in this release; it may be out of date. There is a How to Set Up Mozilla sxs but when it comes to java it simply says Install Acrobat, JRE or JDE. I assume I have to make a link in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins but have tried several .so files that I could find in the j2re folders, to no avail. Can anyone assist? Put the following link in /path/to/mozilla/plugins javaplugin_oji.so - /opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.1/jre/plugin/i386/mozilla/javaplugin_oji.so Adjust the reference as required for your java version. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
M$ lawsuti as seen on Slashdot
Reuters reports that a California-based lawsuit alleges the Redmond software giant produces software with little concern for security and that their products are highly susceptible to, 'massive, cascading failures.' Should Microsoft's software be treated any differently than, say, automobiles? They probably won't get anywhere with the lawsuit, but at least someone other than linux enthusiasts is beginning to notice what a POS M$ software is. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: recording wavs (or aiffs)
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:34:08 +0100 Squabsy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Should I need to do a HD install of knoppix to get it working ? No, although you will need to remount a partition read/write. Excuse me denseness but I tried last night to do this using various parameters with the mount command but failed miserably. the partition I would like to remount is on dev/hdb2 what should the command look like ?mount try: mount -w /dev/hdb2 -o remount -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE vs Knoppix
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:18:00 -0400 (EDT) Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Squabsy wrote: I am currently using SuSE 8.2 personal and apart from the now well documented problem I am havving recording Wavs I am getting on reasonably ok with it. I have read a lot of favourable press recently about knoppix and wondered if anyone would care to comment on the realative advantages/disadvantages of Suse Vs Knoppix KNOPPIX Is debian based, SuSE is, well, SuSE. I love KNOPPIX for recovery purposes, but i'd never use Debian on a regular basis. The entire religious 'Gnu/Linux' zealotry combined with what i feel is completely stupid packaging give me a bad taste in my mouth from Debian. I'm a huge Redhat fan, although i know some others on this list are not. Just curious. Has Redhat ever given up the philosophy it's a new version, it must be ready for prime time? I know they have released less than reliable versions in the past. Example, there is a new version of GCC that breaks a lot of packages. Is Redhat storming ahead with this like they did a couple of years ago? I'm pretty much isolated from this stuff on gentoo stable, but I read about lots of grief from the early adopters. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE vs Knoppix
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 14:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Ken Moffat wrote: KNOPPIX Is debian based, SuSE is, well, SuSE. I love KNOPPIX for recovery purposes, but i'd never use Debian on a regular basis. The entire religious 'Gnu/Linux' zealotry combined with what i feel is completely stupid packaging give me a bad taste in my mouth from Debian. I'm a huge Redhat fan, although i know some others on this list are not. Gotta ask. What is so stupid about what I consider the best packaging/updating scheme out there. (sorry, haven't tried gentoo) You can keep debian updated using only a couple of commands once in a while. (apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade) Not if you want to compile from source. I want what I install to be optomized for my hardware environment. I've yet to find any easy way of doing that in Debian. I hear a lot about debian zealotry. Guess I don't see that, but am certainly open to an explanation... Calling it 'Gnu/Linux' for starters. Some rather ridiculous requirements about GPL licensing. Here's a typical example. I read a glowing review of Knoppix and it's offerings on pick-a-site (I can't remember). There were several dozen comments from various people with positive comments. About third in a row was a typical Debian zealot griping - How dare Knoppix call itself a Debian distro when Knoppix packages some closed software packages with its distro! I don't usually reply to these things, but I felt much better after registering for the service and letting the Debian guy know where he could stuff his opinion. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: from an sco press release today
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:13:12 -0400 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that having been said, i have every confidence in the ability of david boies to do for sco what he did for algore. Excuse me? I thought the only thing he did for algore was to push him to questionable election practices (recounting only certain districts) that the Supremes had to resolve. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE vs Knoppix
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:03:06 -0600 Andrew Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ken Moffat wrote: | Collins Richey wrote: | | Debian zealot griping - How dare Knoppix call itself a Debian distro | when | Knoppix packages some closed software packages with its distro! | | I don't usually reply to these things, but I felt much better after | registering | for the service and letting the Debian guy know where he could stuff his | opinion. | | | | | There are those, but there are also the rest of us... :-) | 50% of the time I'm agreeing with Collins' method, the other 50% I'm the *other* guy. Hey, if you agree with me 50% of the time, you should definitely seek treatment soonest grin. All kidding aside, I have difficulty playing with those who have rigid opinions. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
