Re: length of command-line
On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 02:21:47PM -0700, Tyler Regas wrote: >> The question was about length of command lines, and that's what I >> answered. How does that relate to GUIs? > >It relates to GUIs in that I would not think to use the command that you >suggested. I simply saw an interesting component to the thread and followed >it. The main reason I posted it is that people often don't think to use xargs which is one of the more useful programs around, far more efficient than find's -exec argument which is often overused. The beauty of mailing lists like this is that there are often pearls amongst the discussion of politics and other OT stuff. In particular I had forgotten the ctrl-alt-esc sequence in X-windows which allows one to nuke any window, and have used it several times in the last few days when I had frozen windows (opera6 in downloads mostly). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Government is actually the worst failure of civilized man. There has never been a really good one, and even those that are most tolerable are arbitrary, cruel, grasping and unintelligent. -- H. L. Mencken ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: an interesting experience
On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 04:32:40PM -0500, Kurt Wall wrote: ... >A plant originally used in the American southeast as roadside cover, >until governments discovered that it grows very rapidly, is >impossible to kill, and entombs everything in its path in a very >attractive, leafy vine. I had a friend who lived just north of Atlanta who went away for a few weeks, and when he returned his car was totally covered with kudzu. The first time I saw it was when driving to a race at Road Atlanta, and the phone poles looked like green pyramid tents where kudzu had grown up over and around them. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 http://www.celestial.com/ The question is, why are politicians so eager to be president? What is it about the job that makes it worth revealing, on national television, that you have the ethical standards of a slime-coated piece of industrial waste? -- Dave Barry, "On Presidential Politics" ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: length of command-line
On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 05:28:04PM -0700, Tyler Regas wrote:
>> The main reason I posted it is that people often don't think to use xargs
>> which is one of the more useful programs around, far more efficient than
>> find's -exec argument which is often overused.
>
>What are the benefits of using xargs as opposed to the -exec option? Take
>this from the POV of a guy who doesn't spend much time in the CLI :)
Primarily that it doesn't exec the command for each file, but groups them
together. These two commands should do the same thing, but the second will
only exec the grep command a few times while the first will do it for every
file (the exec format may not be correct since I rarely use it).
find . -type f -exec 'grep -l pattern {} \;' > /tmp/list
find . -type f -print | grep -l pattern > /tmp/list
>> The beauty of mailing lists like this is that there are often pearls
>> amongst the discussion of politics and other OT stuff. In particular I had
>> forgotten the ctrl-alt-esc sequence in X-windows which allows one to nuke
>> any window, and have used it several times in the last few days when I had
>> frozen windows (opera6 in downloads mostly).
>
>You are very correct. I personally use xkill as its not dependant on a key
>sequence, but then I use a nasty mix of KDE and GNOME with a rather complex
>Mac-like keyboard shortcut set .
I think that the ctrl-alt-esc uses xkill.
Bill
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Re: opinions on this iptables script
On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 01:40:09PM -0500, Matthew Carpenter wrote: >That's what I mean by "nasty"... Retaliation (albeit mild). That's the >way to go IMHO. Just haven't had the time to automate one. One of our ISP customers was being mail bombed from an ISP, and when I called their technical contact to have them disconnect the modem for that customer he told me that he couldn't tell which modem corresponded to that IP address (he was running NT of course :-). My suggestion was to disconnect modems until the attack stopped to which he replied, ``how will I know when it's stopped''. I told him he would know when the messages stopped coming into his postmaster address as I pressed to active the deliver script to forward that message to him... (the problem stopped shortly after then when the NT system crashed). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``...I'm not one of those who think Bill Gates is the devil. I simply suspect that if Microsoft ever met up with the devil, it wouldn't need an interpreter.'' -- Nick Petreley ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Large cracks in the Windoze, a fud warning.
On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 02:05:55PM -0500, Matthew Carpenter wrote: >Note that I just read an article in which Ballmer is quoted as stating >that Windows 2000 is more stable than Linux, among other BS. Laughable, >but public perception is no laughing matter when the whole world is >involved. It's probably more stable if one considers the stability of a box sitting on the shelf, and the likelihood of the shelf being displaced in an earthquake. The mass of the licenses and other paper in the box make it a better paper weight. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``We shouldn't elect a President; we should elect a magician.'' Will Rogers ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Gimp
On Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 12:58:07PM -0500, Lee wrote: >Recently a friend saw a preview of Linux on the Tech tv channel. He was >particularly impressed with the portion devoted to GIMP and he asked me >to install my version of SuSe 7.2 on his box. He likes Linux, but has a >problem that I am not familiar with as I don't use Gimp much. Once Gimp >has been opened how does he load photo files from the cdrom or windows >side of the dual boot. Using FreeDisk it's possible to open the windows >photo files, but can't find a way to load them in Gimp or save them back >to the windows file after they have been worked on. You can mount the windows partition as a directory under Linux, then read the files directly from the hard drive. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority it is time to pause and reflect.'' -- Mark Twain ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: init and defunct process cleanup
On Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 10:18:53AM -0800, Net Llama wrote: >My understanding is that defunct processes are zombies, and can't be >cleaned up with a reboot. Anything can be cleared with a reboot. Zombie processes are generally children that have been forked from a parent process where the child process has quit, but the parent hasn't executed a wait() call to clear it's dead children. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Nobody wants to be called common people, especially common people.'' Will Rogers ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Mutt is being a bad dog...
On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 09:07:57PM -0500, Joel Hammer wrote: >Here is what I have in my .muttrc file. This seems to take care of this >problem for me. I am doing almost the same thing as you. > >set hostname=hammershome.com >my_hdr From: Joel Hammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> One really neat thing you can do with mutt is use ``hooks'' which allow you to specify headers based on things like who the message is to. Here's a little bit from my muttrc file: ### mutt hooks ## Defaults send-hook ~A my_hdr Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] send-hook ~A my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] # people who have a problem because of spam filters send-hook "~t exmsft.com" my_hdr Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] send-hook "~t exmsft.com" my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] end This will send my normal headers to everybody but people in the exmsft.com domain which uses mail servers that are frequently on my black-hole lists (at least it did before the @home/AT&T debacle). These people will get different From: and Reply-To: headers. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything. (Joseph Stalin) ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Fwd: SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002
On Tue, Feb 05, 2002 at 12:17:38AM +1130, Mike Andrew wrote: >On Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:41, Burns MacDonald wrote: > >> frontal lobotomy can produce a Windows OS clone. > >You're opinion is always worth respecting Burns but that's a cheap throway >shot at explaining away the need to make an OS user friendly. A killer line >to knock out opposition. (anyway, it takes a real idiot to create 10million >lines of code and call it Windows, a lobotomy would have reduced the line >count) The arcane blitheringly stupid cli syntax of Linux can get consigned >to the dustbin where it deserved to be 20 years ago. The cli is an >embarassment to those who use it... Bovine defacation! Doug Gwyn put it best when he said ``GUIs make simple things simple, and complex things impossible''. I'm not saying that GUIs aren't useful for many things, and I certainly would find life a lot harder without them. On the other hand, there are many things I can do much more easily and quickly from the command line than I can poking through endless menus and screens to accomplish the same thing. It's a lot easier to copy all the text files in a directory to a floppy by typing ``cp *.txt /auto/floppy'' than it is to select them with a GUI, right-click copy, go find the floppy in another file manager, then right-click paste. How many times have you been selecting files from a dialog box with ctrl-leftclick, only to let up on the ctrl key, and loose all the ones you had selected? Some applications are by nature GUI. GUIs make the infrequently performed system administration jobs more convenient. GUIs make it extremely difficult if not impossible to automate jobs. The best GUI administration tools are basically front ends for command line programs, and either display or log the commands they execute so that jobs that are done frequently can be repeated very quickly by putting those commands in a script. As an example of this, I frequently have to burn CDs containing all the vendor updates for a system along with all of the software we've written for installations, and the directory this is in has gotten too large to fit on a single CDrom so I have to exclude some files and directories. I did this with xcdroast, tweaking patterns until I got it right, then put the commands it used to make the ISO file system, burn, and verify the CD into a short script that I can now execute from the command line in less time than it takes to get xcdroast past the initial greeting screen (less people time, not the time to actually do the processing). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ A fake fortuneteller can be tolerated. But an authentic soothsayer should be shot on sight. Cassandra did not get half the kicking around she deserved. -- R.A. Heinlein ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Wierd mail problem... [Solved]
On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 12:05:15PM -0500, Bill Day wrote: >Well, it seems to be taken care of now. Some rogue message from co.kr >(spam) that everytime I tried to get, no matter what client I used, it would >cause my connection to drop. had isp remove all messages in it and all seems >good now. This may be a case where using IMAP would have solved the problem since it doesn't move messages to the client until you specifically open the message to view it. IMAP just gets the basic header information from each document so your mail client can display the messages available. When one of ISP customers gets a problem like this, I usually have them open the customer's mailbox with mutt so they can see and delete the offending messages. This can cause problems though because one of our ISP's customers asked one of their support people to fix his mailbox. The support person told him that she would have to look at his mail messages to fix it. She found a bunch of kiddie porn in the mail, and now the customer's a guest of the state. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Government is actually the worst failure of civilized man. There has never been a really good one, and even those that are most tolerable are arbitrary, cruel, grasping and unintelligent. -- H. L. Mencken ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Wierd mail problem...
On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 04:11:22PM -0500, David A. Bandel wrote: ... >There are one or two pop3 servers (cucipop comes to mind) that will >exhibit this behavior when an e-mail is larger than 2Mb. But if that's >the case, you have idiots working in the ISP who should limit incoming >mail (sendmail will do this) to under 2Mb in size but haven't. While I agree with the sentiment, it doesn't work in the Real World(tm) where customers insist on using e-mail to do file transfers instead of ftp. They bitch like crazy with 2MB limits, and many ISPs kick this up to 8MB or so. I don't know how many times I've gotten calls where some idiot's mailed the family photo album as a Word document full of BMP attachments. Then they wondered why they could never retrieve their mail from the server -- even it it's on the same LAN! The last time I had to fix one of these, the user's mailbox was well over 100MB, and contained three copies of the same 33MB message. I always point them to my on-line help page on this, but it never seems to go any good. As they say, ``you can always tell a Harvard Man, but not much''. http://www.celestial.com/on-line-help/mailfiles.html Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.'' -- Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-188 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Fwd: SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002
On Tue, Feb 05, 2002 at 11:44:48AM +1130, Mike Andrew wrote: >On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 04:34, Bill Campbell wrote: >> It's a lot easier to copy all the text files in a directory to a >> floppy by typing ``cp *.txt /auto/floppy'' than it is to select them with a >> GUI, right-click copy, go find the floppy in another file manager, then > >It's a lot easier to make a typo, too. Yabbut with command history, it's easy to fix it and rerun the command. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.'' -- Frederick Douglass. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Sylpheed vs courier-imap and shared mailboxes
Is anybody here using sylpheed with courier-imap, managing folders on the IMAP server? In particular, I'm interested in using shared folders, but don't see them at all using sylpheed-0.7.0. The sylpheed-0.7.0claw release appears to handle shared folders, but I haven't built it yet to try it on the servers. My goal is to encourage business users to keep their folders on the IMAP server where they may be accessible from their normal desktops, and via a webmail or IMAP interface when away from the office as well (and I can still use mutt on my mailboxes since I'll run it on the server :-). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Independent self-reliant people would be a counterproductive anachronism in the collective society of the future where people will be defined by their associations.'' 1896 John Dewey, educational philosopher, proponent of modern public schools. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Fwd: SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002
On Tue, Feb 05, 2002 at 05:16:29AM -0500, Matthew Carpenter wrote: >unless of course you meant to type >rm -rf *.bak > >and accidently typed > >rm -rf * (and hit return prematurely) > >DOH! Experience is the best teacher :-). I learned a long time ago (1) to always ``cd'' to a directory before doing an ``rm *'' in that directory instead of ``rm dir/*'' since a space after the slash does nasty things, and (2) to think really hard before using the ``*'' to make sure I've typed it correctly. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ When only cops have guns, it's called a ``police state''. -- Claire Wolfe, "101 Things To Do Until The Revolution" ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Suggested module for PCI LAN Card..?
On Tue, Feb 05, 2002 at 07:02:52AM -0500, Jerry McBride wrote: >On Mon, 04 Feb 2002 18:16:23 -0600 Michael Hipp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> According to LinkSys support page they work fine with the ne2000 driver. >> Link: >> http://www.linksys.com/support/support.asp?spid=26 >> > >If it's the lne100tx, it'll work better with the tulip drivers... We stopped using the LinkSys NICs because they didn't work all that well with the Tulip drivers unless you used ones with their patches. It's been a couple of years since we last tried this so they may be better now. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. At best he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe and not make messes in the house. -- Lazarus Long, "Time Enough for Love" ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: DNS issues again
On Tue, Feb 05, 2002 at 05:38:20PM -0500, Douglas J Hunley wrote: >Looks like there's something wrong with the DNS for linux.nf (yes, again). >Unfortunately, it's not something I have access to. Bear with us as the issue >gets resolved and we implement secondary DNS servers. Sorry Considering that a query for name servers for linux.nf resports two, ns1.nf and ns2.nf, and queries for the IP addresses of these two servers reports the same IP address, 203.12.249.100, I think you have a bit of a problem. I would be happy to do secondary DNS for linux.nf if necessary. We have three authoritative servers here running djbdns. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ The Constitution is a written instrument. As such, its meaning does not alter. That which it meant when it was adopted, it means now. -- SOUTH CAROLINA v. US, 199 U.S. 437, 448 (1905) ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: new ibm ad
On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 09:55:27PM -0500, dep wrote: >new ibm linux ad, based on basketball: > >"how can anybody that good play for peanuts?" >"loves the game." >just now on of all places the weather channel. Anybody else see yesterday's Silicon Spin show on techtv? Dvorak was talking to people from IBM, HP, and an open standards guy about Linux in the Enterprise. I found it pretty interesting. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``When dealing with any spammer, one must always keep in mind that you are dealing with someone who makes their living through forgery, fraud, theft, subterfuge and obfuscation. Stated simply, spammers lie.'' David Ritz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: new ibm ad
On Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 07:23:09PM -0500, Ian wrote: ... >I've not watched Silicon Spin in a long time...from the site it looks >like you have to watch it at specific times...the only thing I see in >the archives are a month old. Am I not seeing a link or something? The main broadcast daily is at 15:00 U.S. Eastern time (12:00 Pacific), and it's rebroadcast several times a day. I have our DirecTV Satellite TiVo set to record the noon show daily, then watch later so I can skip the ads. BTW: The TiVo systems are Linux based. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ With Congress, every time they make a joke it's a law; and every time they make a law it's a joke. -- Will Rogers ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: 7 copies of nscd?
On Sun, Feb 10, 2002 at 08:02:04PM -0600, Michael Hipp wrote: >Is it normal to have 7 copies of nscd (name service cache daemon) running >at all times? Not on our systems, but then we're running djbdns so don't need additional caching (or to keep an eye out for this week's CERT advisory on BIND :-). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ DOS: n., A small annoying boot virus that causes random spontaneous system crashes, usually just before saving a massive project. Easily cured by UNIX. See also MS-DOS, IBM-DOS, DR-DOS. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Comcast mail
On Tue, Feb 12, 2002 at 12:06:17AM -0500, Joel Hammer wrote: >What a @#$%^ service. I use my hammershome address for most of my stuff but >my daughter needs an email address, too. I suppose she'll need to use aol. There are other e-mail alternatives to AOL (I can tell from your e-mail address you're either a goat-herder or a cartoonist -- Scott Adams). We set up our cable customer's e-mail to send/receive all their e-mail through one of our mail servers using uucp over tcp/ip either through their own registered domain names or through a subdomain of one of our domains. This is pretty easy to set up Linux/Unix systems. I know, you say uucp's an obsolete protocol, but it works very well, isn't blocked by any ISPs I've encountered (many responsible ISPs block outgoing port 25 to prevent spamming by their customers or their open mail relays), and doesn't even require a network connection, plain dialup is OK. We have been providing uucp e-mail connections to people in the Puget Sound area since 1984, and still have dialup customers who have not network connection at all. One of which, luckypet.com, has a co-located web site that sends orders to them by e-mail which come to our system, ours dials theirs using a normal character dialup (e.g. not PPP), sends the e-mails where they're processed by their SCO OpenServer system automatically. I have also been working with Caldera's Volution Messaging Server here. This makes it reasonably easy to set up e-mail only accounts which are accessible externally via POP/IMAP clients, and also has a webmail interface using horde/imp. The major problem with this now is that there are some modifications necessary to allow external POP/IMAP clients to relay mail through the server after reading mail. This can be done by adding whosond support to the cyrus-imap, and postfix servers. We haven't been pushing this type of service, largely because I've never been able to figure what it's worth for people to have reliable e-mail addresses that aren't tied into a specific ISP, are Linux Friendly, etc. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your consul, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget ye were our countrymen.'' -- Samuel Adams (American Patriot) ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Reading Documents with Various editors
On Tue, Feb 12, 2002 at 07:55:35PM -0600, Michael Hipp wrote: >Good summary, Joel. Do you have a copy of OpenOffice handy to try also? > >Joel Hammer pontificated eloquently: >> We got at memo a work today, a 300 word memo in Word that was 45 KB >> long. It has a small corporate logo on it. I decided to experiment. >> Using Word97, I saved it in four formats, DOC, HTM, RFT, and TXT, with >> the following file sizes: >[big snip] > >Michael >Microsoft Windows XP: Just say no. Yup. My wife brought home a couple of .xls files last night that she couldn't read on any of the machines at $herjob or on her Windows machine. I tried with StarOffice, NeXS, and Applixware, none of which could handle it. My conclusion was that it had to come from Office XP (strings did a pretty decent of extracting things that could be imported into something useful). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ A paranoid is a man who knows a little of what's going on. -- William S. Burroughs ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Comcast mail
On Tue, Feb 12, 2002 at 08:59:39PM -0600, Michael Hipp wrote: >Joel Hammer pontificated eloquently: >> How is this different from a thing like Register.com? Register.com >> seems to provide similar sames services, and for the same price ($36.00 >> per year). > >Not real familiar with Register.com, but ultimately it looks about the >same. Only diff is that R.com you actually buy a domain name rather than >just renting an email address off an existing domain of theirs (like at >mailbank.com). Either way, for a nominal fee you get out of being email >shackled to your ISP. and sells your e-mail address to every spamming slime in the world? Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``I have no reason to suppose that he, who would take away my Liberty, would not when he had me in his Power, take away everything else.'' John Locke ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Comcast mail
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 07:20:44AM -0500, Joel Hammer wrote: >With register.com, you own your domain name. Register.com doesn't know what >your email address is, necessarily. There should be working e-mail addresses in the Admin, Technical, and Billing information in their ``whois'' database. Network Solutions seems to sell their whois database to every marketing sleaze on the planet. Register.com appears to be the registrar for far too many spamhauses, and their abuse people have never made any constructive response to complaints about spam advertising sites where they're the registrar. They don't seem to do any checking on the contact information they publish in their ``whois'' data so the spammer's contact info is frequently totally bogus. >Joel > >> >mailbank.com). Either way, for a nominal fee you get out of being email >> >shackled to your ISP. >> >> and sells your e-mail address to every spamming slime in the world? >> >___ >Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users >Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. > -- Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 "Avoid revolution or expect to get shot. Mother and I will grieve, but we will gladly buy a dinner for the National Guardsman who shot you." -- Dr. Paul Williamson, father of a Kent State student ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Comcast mail
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 01:46:01PM -0500, Tim Wunder wrote: > >FYI, Joel: >I just went to http://www.comcast.net and was allowed to go to member >services and create additional users. Got the same names as before. I >had to use MSIE, since the page wouldn't load properly in Mozilla. There was an article in the Seattle Times this morning on Comcast tracking the web sites their customers visit. I read the whole thing, but if they're using something like akami to proxy web requests, this would be easy for them to do. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``The children who know how to think for themselves spoil the harmony of the collective society that is coming, where everyone would be interdependent.'' 1899 John Dewey, educational philosopher, proponent of modern public schools. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Comcast mail
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 02:43:06PM -0500, Tim Wunder wrote: >Bill Campbell wrote: ... >> There was an article in the Seattle Times this morning on Comcast tracking >> the web sites their customers visit. I read the whole thing, but if >> they're using something like akami to proxy web requests, this would be >> easy for them to do. >> > >Really? Even if you don't use their proxy server? I can't say for sure as I've never looked at the details of how the akami servers work. I know that Akami installs their own servers at the ISP's site, and their servers gradually mirror major web sites (the owners of these web sites pay Akami for this, and the servers don't cost the ISP anything beyond rack space and power). My guess is that requests to port 80 are diverted to the local Akami servers. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Never chastise a Windows user...just smile at them kindly as you would a disadvantaged child.'' WBM ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: SysAdmin Day
On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 11:10:54PM +0800, Auyeung at Technet wrote: >Sure you understand a term I often use in Hong Kong --- >Life time warranty --- free upgrades , ( hardware and software ) , 24 x7 >support , > no-question-ask rework! > A 50/50 warranty, 50 feet or 50 seconds. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ There's no trick to being a humorist when you have the whole government working for you. -- Will Rogers ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Caldera eWorkstation 3.1
On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 04:58:17AM +, Collins Richey wrote: ... >I don't rember. Bernstein's home page is http://cr.yp.to/djbdns.html. >BTW, the 3.1 Beta did have bind installed. That was the way I ran it >initially. You might check out http://support.celestial.com/doc/djbdns/. I moved all of our systems to djbdns several months ago, and like it a lot better than BIND. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority it is time to pause and reflect.'' -- Mark Twain ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Win4Lin
On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 11:17:01AM -0400, Michael W. Holdeman wrote: >uname responds with >Linux 2.4.5-win4lin > >There are no errors when booting teh kernel, and there were no errors >compiling or patching. The installer just states it is not a win4lin enabled >kernel. It also does not come up with a dist. name or version either? >I jave successfully compiled 2.4.4 win4lin patched kernels with both eD2.4 >and sybil, so I don't understand teh problem. My eDesktop 2.4 kernel reports 2.2.14w4l, and the Win4lin scripts are looking for the w4l suffix. I haven't installed SuSe 7.2 (going to this weekend) so can't say about that. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Capitalism works primarily because most of the ways that a company can be scum end up being extremely bad for business when there's working competition.'' -rra ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: opinions on different MTA
On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 10:48:23AM -0700, Net Llama wrote: >I've heard good things about Exim & Postfix. Sendmail is the beast that >its always been. We've been using smail-3.2 for almost ten years on various flavors of Unix and Linux. I'm strongly considering going with Postfix, but it's not going to be a minor project since I have a lot of utilities that probably use too many smail features. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.'' Robert Heinlein ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: what are you doing about the ORBS mess?
On Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 10:59:03AM -0400, Douglas J. Hunley wrote: >I finally landed a new job and have been really busy this week. I just got >caught up (kinda) and am at a loss about the ORBS thing. My current >sendmail.cf uses blackholes.mail-abuse.org for it's DNS spam blocking. Should >I swith that to or.orbl.org? What have you guys done about it? >Please don't chime in w/ "you shouldn't do that. it censorship" or any of >that other crap. If that's what you want to talk about, go to /. >I have sites to run and policies to follow. Thanks ORBS is semi-dead, and the people running the old DNS servers don't appear to be too happy about the number of queries. I just saw a note on an ISP list that they've got one server returning positive for any IP address queried. We haven't used ORBS for several years because I consider their testing of sites that haven't sent spam to be a form of network abuse, similar to port scanning. MAPS is going away from their free service to a pay since they've got huge expenses (mostly legal bills), and the individuals who've been financing this out of their own pockets aren't going to continue. I gather that they will still give free service to individuals and hobby type users. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Good luck to all you optimists out there who think Microsoft can deliver 35 million lines of quality code on which you can operate your business.'' -- John C. Dvorak ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: wuftpd
On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 07:13:34PM +0800, Auyeung at Technet wrote: >Please excuse me if I have asked a stupid question: >Would I get any ownership issues? Ownership isn't generally the issue, but chroot is if you're using anonymous ftp. Why don't you just mount the other file system under the ~ftp/pub directory? Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Imagine if every Thursday your shoes exploded if you tied them the usual way. This happens to us all the time with computers, and nobody thinks of complaining. -- Jef Raskin http://jefraskin.com/ ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Multipage images with convert
On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 09:40:01PM -0600, Kurt Wall wrote: >--- >% Could someone show me the command using convert (Part of the >ImageMagick >% package) to combine two or more tiff files into one large tiff file, >or >% best yet, a large jpg file, which will display in a browser like >netscape? > >In general, "convert fromfile.tiff tofile.jpeg". The magic >incantation depends on what you want to do. I think you may >prefer the "montage" command, another part of ImageMagick. >"combine" may also do what you want: > >combine fig1.tiff fig2.tiff combined.tiff The tiffcp command is probably better for this purpose. tiffcp [ options ] src1.tif ... srcN.tif dst.tif This is in the tiff-utils package on my eDesktop 2.4 system. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``There is nothing as stupid as an educated man if you get him off the thing he was educated in.'' Will Rogers ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Reiser FS
On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 01:36:41PM -0500, David A. Bandel wrote: ... >reiserfs will work on any partition -- caveat: your kernel must be >compiled with reiserfs included (not a module). Then even /boot can be >reiserfs. It would probably be better to have a separate ext2 /boot partition if one wants to boot different versions of Linux off the same /boot partition. We do this to avoid any potential 1024 segment problems, sharing /boot amongst multiple Linux versions. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ When I hear a man applauded by the mob I always feel a pang of pity for him. All he has to do to be hissed is to live long enough. -- H.L. Mencken, ``Minority Report'' ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: We're being scanned (and attacked)
On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 08:58:45PM -0500, Bill Day wrote: >I received some rather wierd hits on my webserver today as welll, a lot of >hits from different ips all containing a line of capital NNN > >anyone else see anything like this... exactly one of the messages was as >follows: There's been a lot of this going around. I think the attached CERT advisory that just came in discusses this. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views ... which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering. -- Doctor Who, "Face of Evil" -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- CERT Advisory CA-2001-19 "Code Red" Worm Exploiting Buffer Overflow In IIS Indexing Service DLL Original release date: July 19, 2001 Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected Systems running Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 and Windows 2000 with IIS 4.0 or IIS 5.0 enabled Overview The CERT/CC has received reports of new self-propagating malicious code that exploits certain configurations of Microsoft Windows susceptible to the vulnerability described in CERT advisory CA-2001-13 Buffer Overflow In IIS Indexing Service DLL. These reports indicate that the "Code Red" worm may have already affected as many as 225,000 hosts, and continues to spread rapidly. Description In examples we have seen, the "Code Red" worm attack proceeds as follows: * The victim host is scanned for TCP port 80 by the "Code Red" worm. * The attacking host sends a crafted HTTP GET request to the victim, attempting to exploit a buffer overflow in the Indexing Service described in CERT advisory CA-2001-13 * If the exploit is successful, the worm begins executing on the victim host. Initially, the existence of the c:\notworm file is checked. Should this file be found, the worm ceases execution. * If c:\notworm is not found, the worm begins spawning threads to scan seemingly random IP addresses for hosts listening on TCP port 80, exploiting any vulnerable hosts it finds. * If the victim host's default language is English, then after 100 scanning threads have started and a certain period of time has elapsed following infection, all web pages served by the victim host are defaced with the message HELLO! Welcome to http://www.worm.com! Hacked By Chinese! * If the victim host's default language is not English, the worm will continue scanning but no defacement will occur. System Footprint The "Code Red" worm can be identified on victim machines by the presence of the following string in IIS log files: /default.ida?N NN NN NNN%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u6858%ucbd3% u7801%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u9090%u8190%u00c3%u0003%u8b00%u531 b%u53ff%u0078%u%u00=a Additionally, web pages on victim machines may be defaced with the following message: HELLO! Welcome to http://www.worm.com! Hacked By Chinese! The text of this page is stored exclusively in memory and is not written to disk. Therefore, searching for the text of this page in the file system may not detect compromise. Network Footprint A host running an active instance of the "Code Red" worm scans random IP addresses on port 80/TCP looking for other hosts to infect. Additional detailed analysis of this worm has been published by eEye Digital Security at http://www.eeye.com. Impact In addition to web site defacement, infected systems may experience performance degradation as a result of the scanning activity of this worm. Non-compromised systems and networks that are being scanned by other hosts infected by the "Code Red" worm may experience severe denial of service. This occurs because each instance of the "Code Red" worm uses the same random number generator seed to create the list of IP addresses it scans. Therefore, all victim hosts scan the same IP addresses. Furthermore, it is important to note that while the "Code Red" worm appears to merely deface web pages on affected systems and attack other systems, the IIS indexing vulnerability it exploits can be used to execute arbitr
Re: We're being scanned (and attacked)
On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 11:08:36PM -0400, dep wrote: >On Thursday 19 July 2001 09:58 pm, Bill Day wrote: >| I received some rather wierd hits on my webserver today as welll, >| a lot of hits from different ips all containing a line of capital >| NNN > >more here: >http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-6616583.html > >this is a big one. I think that this same worm also knocks out Cisco routers that have their web interface enabled. It may be a coincidence, but our upstream provider's routers got hosed today, and the QWest people said that they were having problems with all their DSL connections where they're using little Cisco boxes (I heard this from a customer who's DSL was hit repeatedly today). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Everybody is ignorant, only on different subjects.'' Will Rogers ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Reiser FS
On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 10:59:56AM -0400, Michael W. Holdeman wrote: > >I found when installing Suse 7.2 pro on my laptop and configured much the >same way (reiser for /, /boot, /home, everything) that it worked fine for IDE >disks, but if /boot was Reiser on a SCSI you had to load teh ReiserFS as a >module and boot using initrd. It's been my experience that any modular SCSI kernel requires initrd. Requiring the reiserfs module makes sense, but may not have been the killer. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.'' Robert Heinlein ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: Re: Reiser FS
On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 09:08:23PM -0700, Shawn Tayler wrote: >On Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:28:33 -0700, Bill Campbell wrote: > >>It's been my experience that any modular SCSI kernel requires >>initrd. Requiring the reiserfs module makes sense, but may not >>have been the killer. > >So if this is the case, then I would need to create a new initrd for >2.4.6 if I were to compile one? If so, how do you go about creating >the new initrd from the 2.4.6 source? I guess a trip to the Steps is >in order On caldera systems, use /usr/libexec/modules/mkinitrd.sh which is part of the modutils RPM. It should determine which modules are necessary to boot, and build the appropriate initrd files in your current directory. >stayler > > > >===END FORWARDED MESSAGE=== > > >___ >http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc >->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users > -- Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happened.'' - Sir Winston Churchill ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: software piracy
On Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 06:14:03AM -0700, Linuxism CHANG wrote: >This is not copyright. This is tax. And this is what >Micro$oft wanna be in the future. Our kids are doomed >to be the slaves of M$ empire. So sad... See: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20010715 Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws.'' EDWARD ABBEY (1927-1989) ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Linux Courses
On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 06:14:29AM -0700, Shawn Tayler wrote: >On Fri, 27 Jul 2001 05:10:29 -0600, Kurt Wall wrote: > >>4. They keep spamming me. >> >>Kurt > >Now there's a good reason! ROFLMAO ;-) It's sufficient to keep me from buying anything from anybody. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``You know the one thing that's wrong with this country? Everyone gets a chance to have their fair say.'' -Bill Clinton, May 29, 1993, The White House ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Kdevelop & ZLIB
On Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 03:28:05PM +1130, Mike Andrew wrote: >David Bandel and I had an earlier brief exchange on the list about zlib, or >more correctly, the suspected ack of zlib . For the curious, zlib >contains the compression schemes used on ppp dialup (as an eg) Shouldn't you be looking for libz-devel? I just built the latest versions from the OpenLinux3.1 Workstation distribution on OpenServer, and several older versions of Caldera while compiling rpm-3.0.6 for these platforms, and it's working find. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything. (Joseph Stalin) ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New book -The Unix Guide to Defenestration
On Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 01:21:44AM -0500, Jim Conner wrote: >This book as an interesting theory why businesses and people use/adopt >Windows and how to change that mind set. I just read the blurb here not the >book. Just thought I'd pass this along in case there are those that haven't >seen it. > >http://linuxpr.com/releases/3999.html It's more than a theory. I first realized this back when I was DP Manager for a Navy Contractor in the D.C. area where I prided myself on maintaining a low-cost operation using Burroughs Medium Systems machines. The IBM 360s of the time required multiple systems engineers just to figure out the JCL and keep OS/360 running while our system basically ``Just Ran''. It hadn't dawned on me that the company I worked for was working on CPFF (Cost Plus Fixed Fee) government contracts -- the higher the costs they could justify, the higher their fee. Shortly after I installed our first Caldera OpenLinux 1.3 (or was it 1.2) system in September 1997 at a law office, their office manager called to ask me if they might be having problems that we weren't fixing. When I asked her what she meant her comment was that all the other law firms in this suite had their computer people there at least a couple of times a week to fix problems caused by Windows. I told her that I would be glad to come by every week if they wanted me to, but there wasn't anything to do there (their machine was rebooted twice in the first year of operation, the first after 6 months when the janitor pulled the power cord out of the server, the 2nd 6 months later when the main board in the server failed). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 http://www.celestial.com/ You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence. -- Charles A. Beard ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: libz
On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 01:59:50PM +1130, Mike Andrew wrote: > >got bounced for the umpteenth time, here goes again > >On Tuesday 31 July 2001 15:59, Bill Campbell wrote: >> Shouldn't you be looking for libz-devel? I just built the latest versions >> from the OpenLinux3.1 Workstation distribution on OpenServer, and several >> older versions of Caldera while compiling rpm-3.0.6 for these platforms, >> and it's working find. > >Yes, absolutely. In my long rambling piece, the bottom line was that RH7.x >does NOT supply -devel, and I suspect(ed) other distros don't, based on >evidence out of www.rpmfind.net I'm pretty ignorant of RH issues. I think I have most of their boxed sets on the shelf going back to 4.2 or so, but have never installed them on anything. >I understand the word 'built' above, and COL never had this issue either. I >am not aware of eW3.1 anything. It would appear from above that it too (at >least) does not supply an rpm thereof? The RPMs are there on the latest versions of Caldera. OpenLinux3.1 Workstation loads up with most of the development libraries necessary by default. >BTW Bill, you are a *very* difficult person to contact offline. I keep >getting bounced, one was the now infamous relay denied, others weren't, so If >you think I was being impolite not answering your earlier messages to me, you >have a part answer going back six months. If thing bounce too badly, could you go to my web pages and use our contact form to give me the IP addresses that are being blocked? Hit the feedback tag in the bottom left frame. We get hammered pretty hard here with spam, largely because we've been providing e-mail connectivity for people in the Seattle area since the mid-'80s. At one time we were providing uucp dialup e-mail and news feeds to some fairly large companies here (Aldus and Mannesmann Tally were probably the biggest), and to one BBS site that became an ISP with hundreds of customers. We get hit by at least 50 new open relays every day with mail to these ancient subdomains because the ``millions of clean e-mail address'' CDs seem have a lot of addresses scraped from old usenet postings. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Liberty don't work as good in practice as it does in speeches.'' Will Rogers ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Replies are all bouncing
On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 01:20:09PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... >I haven't watched this thread, but the code red worm should not affect you >if you use *nix as your mail and web servers Actually one of my Linux-only customers was affected by this last week, not because of anything to do with Linux, but because they're on ADSL with a Cisco DSL ``modem'' which was hit. It appears that some Cisco equipment runs a web server that was vulnerable to the attack. Of course I have to ask why anybody wouldn't have already either turned off the web interface on their router, or at least put in filters to restrict access to it to just those people who should be doing the administration? Then again, I've never been able to figure out why responsible people run Windows on anything critical. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ When you have an efficient government, you have a dictatorship. -- Harry Truman ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: NIC Addresses
On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 12:24:28PM -0500, Jason Joines wrote: > Is there a way to obtain the IP address associated with a given >NIC address? I have used arping to go the other way but haven't found >anything that does this. You might run ``arp -an'' piped through grep. This should show the MAC addresses of anything your machine's been talking to recently. This may well not show systems where there's a switch which limits traffic by essentially creating virtual paths between pairs of machines. A CBE (Crude But Effective) way to get everything on your network in your ARP tables would be to ping the broadcast address. Everybody should respond (unless of course somebody's been smart enough to block broadcast packets at routers). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government's ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees.'' -President Bill Clinton, August 12, 1993 ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Replies are all bouncing
On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 08:53:04PM -0500, Jim Conner wrote: >I was refering to Code Red being a bandwidth hog as it's infecting IIS and >probing other boxes. Then again, I could be wrong. That's certainly one problem with it. The other major thing it was doing last week is attacking some Cisco routers which have their web server turned on to the world. We have a customer who's on a DSL connection with a Cisco box connecting to the DSL which bounced several times before their DSL provider figured out what was going on, and had him disable the server. Our upstream provider had a significant outage on the same day which they said was due to routing problems which could be related. Personally I think Cisco is to routers what Microsoft is to desktops. We configure routers so that all access to their admin servers is filtered to prevent access except from specific sites. We're now using Linux boxes with WAN cards in new installations, and these are only accessible with secure shell. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Democracy, n.: A government of the masses. Authority derived through mass meeting or any other form of direct expression. Results in mobocracy. Attitude toward property is communistic... negating property rights. Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether it is based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences. Result is demagogism, license, agitation, discontent, anarchy. -- U. S. Army Training Manual No. 2000-25 (1928-1932), since withdrawn. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: X-windows programming problem, viewfax
On Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 08:06:11PM -0400, dep wrote: >On Friday 03 August 2001 07:44 pm, Bill Campbell wrote: > >| The problem is that I get nothing on the display when running under >| Caldera OpenLinux 3.1 Workstation, XFree86-4.0.2-11, with >| kdebase2-2.1-14. > >i can't deconstruct the code, but i'm curious -- can the files be >viewed in anything else, as, say, the kde viewer or xpdf? (i think >xpdf can open ps files.) i'm wondering if you lost tiff support. Viewing the files isn't the problem because I'm actually running the X- client on an OpenLinux 2.3 system where I'm running mutt in an xterm from my OpenLinux 3.1 workstation (all using ssh of course). It has to be something in the way it's handling the display since there are many other X clients running on this same server displaying properly on my workstation. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Scientists are explorers. Philosophers are tourists.'' -- Richard Feynman ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: X-windows programming problem, viewfax
On Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 10:52:00PM -0400, Bruce Marshall wrote: ... >Just about anything can open a tiff file... I just click on a fax in Kmail >and it either brings up Pixie or Gimp... I forget which. Sure, but none of the are nearly as fast as viewfax, not within orders of magnitude. It's a bare essentials fax viewer that's great for reviewing incoming faxes to see whether they warrant using other tools. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Government is actually the worst failure of civilized man. There has never been a really good one, and even those that are most tolerable are arbitrary, cruel, grasping and unintelligent. -- H. L. Mencken ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Interesting Article
On Sat, Aug 04, 2001 at 11:45:55AM -0400, burns wrote: ... >The problem is not tcp/ip itself, but how MS purportedly intends to allow raw >socket access in XP - in other words it's not the highway, but how MS is >building the on ramps. Raw socket access isn't a problem in itself. Steve Gibson notes that this is something that's been available on Unix and Linux systems for years. Many of the attacks by script kiddies could be eliminated if ISPs put in elementary packet filters on their routers and RAS systems where the prohibit outgoing packets with source addresses that couldn't be coming through that port. The simplest case is the ISP blocking any outgoing packets at their border router that has a source address that isn't on their network. They can also set filters with radius to refuse packets from a dialup connection with a source address that isn't the one assigned to the port. The IP filters should also reject any incoming packets from the outside world that have a source address on the interior networks. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Few skills are so well rewarded as the ability to convince parasites that they are victims. -- Thomas Sowell ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Interesting Article
On Sat, Aug 04, 2001 at 12:57:23PM -0500, Alan Jackson wrote: ... >One does have to be a little careful about making assumptions, however. My >brother-in-law has a Hughes satellite connection, and he was unable to >get past the security at 2 different websites, because his outbound >packets were coming down the phone line and his incoming packets were >taking a completely different route, from the satellite. I couldn't >renew my prescription over the web when we visited with them because of this. >Merck was very responsive when I complained, however. That shouldn't make any difference as the packets are going through two different paths. We're using Linux boxes with WAN cards for routers, with ipchains rules on each interface. We know what all the local subnets, and only accept incoming packets that with destination addresses in our local subnets, rejecting anything destined for addresses that aren't on assigned subnets, and for the network and broadcast addresses of these subnets which avoids the so-called ``smurf'' DoS attacks. Likewise we only allow traffic to and from our customer's routed subnets that have apppropriate source and destination addresses. Incoming packets with destination addresses that are for any of the network, broadcast, or unassigned subnets within our valid class C networks are rejected an logged along with any that are for valid destination addresses but to ports 137-139 and similar ones that can cause problems. There has been a major increase in cracking activity since the first of August. I just checked our border router, and we've logged over 9,200 rejected packets since midnight, plus another 53,344 in the first three days of August averaging almost 17,500 per day. Just for fun, I checked for the entire month of July, and we only had 50,303 rejections for the entire month. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Democracy Is Mob Rule with Income Taxes'' ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Back again in Linux
On Sat, Aug 04, 2001 at 04:15:01PM -0700, Shawn Tayler wrote: >On Sun, 5 Aug 2001 08:57:54 +1000, Keith Antoine wrote: > >> >>Essentially what I have at the moment is, I delete some icons on the K bar >>and substitute those that I want on there. On reboot all is back to what it >>was, they are not kept. Granted this has ben answered already, so acn you >>point me please. How are you exiting from kde? Are you doing it from the K-start, or using ctrl-alt-backspace? >On a related side note, other than the automounter in services (which >is gone but didn't effect this), how do I get the Drive icons to go >away as well as the "autoloader" to stop opening browser windows when a >CD is placed in a drive?It keeps opening up and then can't see the >volume as the device doesn't get mounted at all, let alone /auto/sr0, >etc The desktop icons are in your $HOME/Desktop2 or $HOME/Desktop directory, and can be deleted with any file manager or even using the CLI ``rm filename'' command. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happened.'' - Sir Winston Churchill ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: blocking ranges of ports
On Sun, Aug 05, 2001 at 09:57:29PM -0700, Steve Jardine wrote: >I find myself in need of using ipchains to block a whole section of ports. Lets >say, 61000 to 61300. Can anyone offer up a chain script that could accomplish >this task? Just separate the low and high port number with colons. This blocks outgoing traffic on our router on the netbui ports 137-139. ipchains -F wan_OUT ipchains -A wan_OUT -d 0.0.0.0/0 137:139 -p tcp -j REJECT -l ... Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Cutting the space budget really restores my faith in humanity. It eliminates dreams, goals, and ideals and lets us get straight to the business of hate, debauchery, and self-annihilation. -- Johnny Hart ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: adobe pdf virus
On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 09:08:17AM -0400, Steve Thompson - UG wrote: >i don't quite understand this logic. i can see where you don't want to >reload if you get a virus, BUT if i get a linux virus and it deletes >everything in my home. i'm gonna lose everything that is important. i can >reload my workstation and setup the firewalls and such. i dont want to lose >my important stuff. i understand from a server standpoint, but everyone >saysno big deal, you'll only lose whats in your user id, well thats the >important stuff to me. i just burn it to a cd as a backup. anyway my >0.02c If one is truly paranoid about dealing with things like this, it's easy enough to set up a user on the system specifically for internet use, and do all browsing as that user. It's even easy to do using ssh. ``ssh -l safeuser -f opera'' will start up opera running as safeuser in safeuser's home directory. This way only things under that home directory is vulnerable. Of course no security is worth a damn if one doesn't have good verified backups. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ "A man full of faith is simply one who has lost (or never had) the capacity for clear and realistic thought. He is not a mere ass; he is actually ill. Worse, he is incurable." H.L. Mencken ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Ode to the Spellchecker
On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 07:38:49AM -0600, Glenn Williams wrote: Wasn't it Mark Twain who said that anybody who could only spell a word one way lacked imagination? Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ DOS: n., A small annoying boot virus that causes random spontaneous system crashes, usually just before saving a massive project. Easily cured by UNIX. See also MS-DOS, IBM-DOS, DR-DOS. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Article
On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 06:39:31PM -0500, Randy Donohoe wrote: >Excellent >article.http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=01/08/10/1441239 Gives me a nice blank page using Opera. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Capitalism works primarily because most of the ways that a company can be scum end up being extremely bad for business when there's working competition.'' -rra ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Article
On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 08:04:25PM +, Dave Ayers wrote: ... >Opera does this for me sometimes. Just open another window >momentarily and then back to the one that wouldn't display. It'll >be there. It's sorta wierd. I did get it up on opera eventually. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Democracy extends the sphere of individual freedom, Democracy attaches all possible value to each man, while socialism makes each man a mere agent, a mere number. Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word: equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.'' de Tocqueville == 1848 ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: cp950
On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 10:09:49AM -0500, Ronnie Gauthier wrote: >So why sent it? Or at least gzip it to 100k instead of making hundreds of people pay to get almost a megabyte of data in their mailbox. BTW: I limit the size of messages to the technical lists I manage to 40K and something like this would have been bounced to me for approval (which I would have bounced back to the sender with a short lesson in netiquette :-). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ One man's brain plus one other will produce one half as many ideas as one man would have produced alone. These two plus two more will produce half again as many ideas. These four plus four more begin to represent a creative meeting, and the ratio changes to one quarter as many ... -- Anthony Chevins ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Remote xterm
On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 05:08:13AM -0700, Nate Cole wrote: >Here's a question for all you X experts. We use Linux as >Workstations and Unix for servers here at work. For remote >xterm-ing, there are two different scenarios: > >1. rsh server xterm (assuming DISPLAY is set properly on >server user account to point to the workstation) >2. xterm -e rlogin server (xterm is local Linux) Use ssh/rlogin, not rsh/rlogin. It's easier to start X clients on local and remote machines since one doesn't have to worry about DISPLAY and xhosts. It's also secure (I didn't say more because the ``r'' commands aren't). To start a remote xterm: ssh -f systemname /usr/bin/X11/xterm To run the xterm locally logging into the remote system xterm -e slogin systemname & I usually do the first on the LAN, and the second when I'm going across a slower link (BTW ssh uses compression on the connection which is a big win running X clients over slower links). I'm answering this e-mail in an xterm running on one of our internal machines on Mercer Island, and I'm in Santa Cruz at Caldera forum. The performance is extremely good. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ It is necessary for the welfare of society that genius should be privileged to utter sedition, to blaspheme, to outrage good taste, to corrupt the youthful mind, and generally to scandalize one's uncles. -- George Bernard Shaw ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Easy hook up of a laptop to a home network
On Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 01:05:18PM -0600, Andrew Mathews wrote: >David Aikema wrote: >> >> On August 25, 2001 07:41 pm, Andrew Mathews wrote: >> >> > You could consider using a hub that has a BNC connector to connect your >> > existing coax network and 10BaseT for the laptop. That would allow you >> > to migrate from thinnet to 10BaseT without having to recable >> > immediately. Consider a wireless network in the long run though. >> >> Too much in the way of $$$ for me. > >Understandable. It's a fixed asset if you have a home with cabling >already run. The hub with BNC works a treat for this type of problem. They're cheap, and reliable (as reliable as coax networks can be with their tendency to have flakey connections). A Compex 10BaseT 8-port hub with BNC connector cost about $35.00 three years ago (Compex part number TP1008C). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ If the Democrats had wanted Gore to be president, they should have voted for impeachment. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: [COLUG] HP's linux announcement
On Tue, Aug 28, 2001 at 05:48:58PM -0400, Douglas J. Hunley wrote: > >-- Forwarded Message -- >Subject: [COLUG] HP's linux announcement >Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 15:34:02 -0400 >From: edunagin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: colug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >you know, if on reads this one would think that linux is VERY insucure >and not a very good operating system, unless one has the HP >version I daresay that if you put almost any Linux distribution up on the Internet in its default configuration, it will be rootkitted within 24 hours. The most recent releases of Caldera are pretty tight, but I can't say about the current versions of RH, SuSE, etc. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. At best he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe and not make messes in the house. -- Lazarus Long, "Time Enough for Love" ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Food for thought, OpenSource beyond Linux
This article raises some very interesting points: http://www.infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/01/08/27/010827opnoise.xml?0830tham Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Good luck to all you optimists out there who think Microsoft can deliver 35 million lines of quality code on which you can operate your business.'' -- John C. Dvorak ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Reiserfs vs NFS (problems?)
When I was at Caldera Forum in Santa Cruz last week, somebody mentioned that there are potential problems with reiserfs file systems if they're mounted via NFS on other systems. I would like to use some kind of file system that doesn't require lengthy fscks on large RAID arrays (hardware or software), but these large file systems are accessed almost exclusively via NFS. If the reiserfs isn't trustworthy in this application, what are the alternatives? Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Liberals love to say things like, 'We're just asking everyone to pay their fair share.' But government is not about asking. It is about telling. The difference is fundamental. It is the difference between making love and being raped, between working for a living and being a slave.'' Dr. Thomas Sowell, Forbes, July 1994 ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: The 'mv' command
On Sun, Sep 02, 2001 at 10:48:48PM -0400, Tim Wunder wrote: >What does the 'mv' command actually do? >I've always been under the impression that it simply renames the >file/directory, but I get the feeling there's more to it than that. The ``mv'' command does different things depending on the arguments. ``mv file1 path_to/file2'' renames file1 as file2, but will actually move the file if the destination is on a different file system. ``mv file1 [file2 ...] directory'' moves the file(s) to the directory which may be on a different file system. This is very much more powerful than the DOS ``ren'' command that just renames files. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Instead of giving money to found colleges to promote learning, why don't they pass a constitutional amendment prohibiting anybody from learning anything? If it works as good as the Prohibition one did, why, in five years we would have the smartest race of people on earth. -- The Best of Will Rogers ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Modem suggestion
On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 11:15:18AM -0500, Jean Sagi wrote: >Does anyone have a suggestion for a new linux modem for desktop use? >What about an us-robotics? (I've been told there are a lot of winmodems of >this mark) What about Haton? (I don't know how to write it, but is supposed >to be good on linux). Personally I prefer the MultiTech external modems (I had a very bad experience with USR support years ago so avoid them like the plague). There's nothing Linux-specific about a modem other than it's not a winmodem. External modems should all be OS neutral, and I much prefer them because (a) I can reset them when the wedge without rebooting the machine, and (b) I can see what's going by looking at the blinking lights. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``It's time to feed the hogs'' -- Unintended Consequences ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: HP to buy Compaq?!?
On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 12:19:46PM -0400, Wil McGilvery wrote: >Selling hardware is high maintenance and low margins. It's hard to make a >living that way. Brand name boxes have a reputation of being harder to >upgrade or add components to and they are more expensive. White boxes are >less expensive and easier to upgrade. I've always found Compaq and HP to be a PITA to work with because lots of things are proprietary, require special drivers, and even use non-standard mounting hardware. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Lord, the money we do spend on Government and it's not one bit better than the government we got for one third the money twenty years ago.'' Will Rogers ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: German Linux site hacked
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 08:40:13AM -0600, Kurt Wall wrote: >Mike Andrew wrote: >> On Wednesday 05 September 2001 07:44, Ronnie Gauthier wrote: >> > Might be, like you said, where you grew up. But. there is a whole big >> > world out there, where you didnt grow up. But everyone that knows sports >> > knows what soccer is, ;-) even us yanks that know what football really is. >> >> Huh? You mean you watch Aussie Rules too? 50 million Americans are baffled by >> this game each week. > >And well we should be. Looks like a gang rape with a balloon, brazenly >called a football, thrown in for good measure. And a guy in an ice-cream vendor's suit who gets to throw his arms up every time there's a goal. -- Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Nobody wants to be called common people, especially common people.'' Will Rogers ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Linux Ad
On Sat, Sep 08, 2001 at 05:34:59AM -0400, Jerry McBride wrote: ... >I wonder what the price difference would be between on s390 and a warehouse >full of pc's and windows... :') Or a bunch of Sun E-1000s (nee Starfire). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``We shouldn't elect a President; we should elect a magician.'' Will Rogers ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: NFS / network performance
On Sun, Sep 09, 2001 at 07:23:31AM -0500, Rick Sivernell wrote: ... >8 port hub at 10 mb I've seen huge improvements in performance replacing hubs with switches, particularly where there's a lot of NFS usage. The first time we did this was about four years ago in an office where they had about 8 diskless Linux workstations booting off an SCO OpenServer box on a 10BaseT network. Replacing the 10BaseT hub with a 10BaseT switch there fixed problems we had when booting the diskless workstations, and we're still running the same server unchanged. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Liberty don't work as good in practice as it does in speeches.'' Will Rogers ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: GIF files
On Sun, Sep 09, 2001 at 10:37:32PM -0500, Ronnie Gauthier wrote: >Yor problem is that you are not indexing your file before you try to save it. >You must, alt-i or right click your image then image>mode>indexed, use the >window to index the file, then save as a gif file. The more recent versions of gimp will do this type of conversion on the fly when saving to file formats that require it, and won't change the working copy of the file. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Never chastise a Windows user...just smile at them kindly as you would a disadvantaged child.'' WBM ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Linux Ad
On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 05:59:29AM -0700, Shawn Tayler wrote: >Absofrellinglutely That is the pattern That's been the pattern since the IBM 360 mainframes that required an army of systems programmers to keep them running (and another army to figure out the JCL). We were running Burroughs systems with MCP that required minimal support people, and were very efficient in terms of the hardware requirements. There's lots of job security in these arcane, inefficient, and buggy systems. Just look at the industry that's grown up to apply bandaids to DOS/Windows faults (Norton, McAfee, etc.). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Basic Definitions of Science: If it's green or wiggles, it's biology. If it stinks, it's chemistry. If it doesn't work, it's physics. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fw: Re: Help starting KDE2.2
On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 10:29:55PM -0600, Collins Richey wrote: ... >My brain finally kicked in gear. I haven't run Caldera in a while. >If you reinstall X, you can then run startx just like on a normal >distro. It's a lot easier than that with Caldera 3.1. I posted details on how to do this about a week ago. The X server has to be setuid root, create a /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc file, copy /etc/X11/xinit/xintirc to $HOME/.xinitrc and tailor to suit. I'm attaching my xinitrc and xserverrc files again. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Intellectually, teachers fall between education theorists and bright cocker spaniels. (Probably closer to the education theorists. The AKC has been doing wonders with spaniels.) If you think I'm kidding look at the GREs for education majors, whose scores are the lowest of all fields, and remember that these are the smart ones.'' -- http://www.FredOnEverything.net #!/bin/sh # $XConsortium: xinitrc.cpp,v 1.4 91/08/22 11:41:34 rws Exp $ userresources=$HOME/.Xresources usermodmap=$HOME/.Xmodmap sysresources=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/.Xresources sysmodmap=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/.Xmodmap # merge in defaults and keymaps if [ -f $sysresources ]; then xrdb -merge $sysresources fi if [ -f $sysmodmap ]; then xmodmap $sysmodmap fi if [ -f $userresources ]; then xrdb -merge $userresources fi if [ -f $usermodmap ]; then xmodmap $usermodmap fi # start some nice programs # exec /usr/bin/startkde exec /usr/bin/startxfce twm & xclock -geometry 50x50-1+1 & xterm -geometry 80x50+494+51 & xterm -geometry 80x20+494-0 & exec xterm -geometry 80x66+0+0 -name login #!/bin/bash XAUTH=$HOME/.Xauthority MKCOOKIE=/usr/bin/mcookie touch $XAUTH for host in localhost $HOSTNAME $HOST; do xauth add $host/unix:0 . `$MKCOOKIE` xauth add $host:0 . `$MKCOOKIE` done xauth add :0.0 . `$MKCOOKIE` # exec Xwrapper -auth $XAUTH :0 exec X -auth $XAUTH :0
Re: New York WTC
On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 06:14:45PM -0400, dep wrote: ... >i sincerely hope that all terrorists limit their flight instruction >to that which they receive from microsoft flight simulator, which is >no more like flying than a playstation nascar game is like racing >automobiles. Once the plane's in the air flying it isn't difficult, particularly if you don't worry about landing it safely. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Democracy, n.: A government of the masses. Authority derived through mass meeting or any other form of direct expression. Results in mobocracy. Attitude toward property is communistic... negating property rights. Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether it is based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences. Result is demagogism, license, agitation, discontent, anarchy. -- U. S. Army Training Manual No. 2000-25 (1928-1932), since withdrawn. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 12:42:45AM -0400, Bruce Marshall wrote: >On Wednesday 12 September 2001 0:19 am, dep wrote: >> ah. in recent years i've flown out of HPN. danbury is just too weird, >> though the restaurant is very good. > >Weird is right... I can tell many a story of rainy nights circling that >mother, or drilling down thru the 'hole' that always seemed to exist right >over the airport. Remember all of the accidents there including the guy who >tried to 'drill' a hole through the mountain on final approach to 26. >Didn't work out too well. That sounds easy compared to my friend Skip who lands his restored Luscombe on the mountain next to Mount Mohawk up in the NW corner of Connecticut. The strip he flies out of makes the cow pasture I flew an Aronca Champ out of seem huge by comparison. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Government is actually the worst failure of civilized man. There has never been a really good one, and even those that are most tolerable are arbitrary, cruel, grasping and unintelligent. -- H. L. Mencken ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 06:38:23AM +0200, Zoki (News) wrote: ... >Couldn't it be e.g. the extreme right? After having seen a documentary on >TV I was amazed with the degree of their organisation: Underground >computer network, military training, etc, etc... More likely the extreme left, who've already turned the U.S. into a Fascist police state, and might want an excuse to take what few liberties that are left in the name of security. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``If the future navigation system [for interactive networked services on the NII] looks like something from Microsoft, it will never work.'' (Chairman of Walt Disney Television & Telecommunications) ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 01:27:49AM -0400, dep wrote: >On Wednesday 12 September 2001 00:49, Bill Campbell wrote: > >| That sounds easy compared to my friend Skip who lands his restored >| Luscombe on the mountain next to Mount Mohawk up in the NW corner >| of Connecticut. The strip he flies out of makes the cow pasture I >| flew an Aronca Champ out of seem huge by comparison. > >hell, bill, you can fly a champ on a string on a nice day! i remember >some people in fort lauderdale, back when executive was chiefly an >experimental airport, who landed a champ one day, pulled the limb out >of the hole in the fuselage fabric, patched it with duct tape, and >took off again. True enough. The only plane I can think of with a lower stall speed was the aircoupe. >which is to say that if my sister ever gives hers up, i'll be first >in line to get it. I always wanted a Citabria, but spent all my time and money racing Formula cars instead. If you want to see me in my bearded racing days, this shot was taken at the 4th of 1972 July Lime Rock SCCA Nationals: http://www.celestial.com/images/hawke_frieda_steve.jpg Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ The day-to-day travails of the IBM programmer are so amusing to most of us who are fortunate enough never to have been one -- like watching Charlie Chaplin trying to cook a shoe. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 01:31:56AM -0400, dep wrote: >On Wednesday 12 September 2001 00:59, Bruce Marshall wrote: > >| Oh pshawBack when I was a cropduster (true) we all used to >| fly over to the nearest dairy on boring afternoons to partake of a >| sundae. Hardly big enuff field to get into let alone get out of... >| no strip at all. > >an old girlfriend's father, a great pilot who now does computer crash >reconstructions for a living, was a cropduster in georgia, and she >used to talk about the lights in their house going out, and her mom >saying, "he must have hit another powerline." My uncle Brownie knocked power out to a large section of Danville Virginia flying under a bridge across the Dan River. He had already patched the burn holes in the fabric by the time the police got to the air field to see who had done it. Of course being a test pilot, he was probably a bit crazier than the average pilot. I got curious a couple of weeks ago, and did a search on him on google, finding that he was the did the first test flights of the Douglas Skyraider. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``The only freedom which deserves the name, is that of pursuing our own good in our own way, so long as we do not attempt to deprive others of theirs, or impede their efforts to obtain it.'' -- John Stuart Mill, 1859 ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: wtc2.org?
On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 04:14:38PM -0400, Douglas J. Hunley wrote: >Everyone has by now seen the Amazon and PayPal donations I'm sure > >what I want to know, who's willing to put together a contribution site for >the rebuilding of the WTC? I know, skyscrapers are impractical. I know it >will be years before the current mess is cleaned up... I know it would take >like 10 years before the building would open... but wouldn't it be cool? Don't worry, there are plenty of spammers doing just this now. Attempting to scam people out of their money. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``It is our duty still to endeavor to avoid war; but if it shall actually take place, no matter by whom brought on, we must defend ourselves. If our house be on fire, without inquiring whether it was fired from within or without, we must try to extinguish it.'' -- Thomas Jefferson to James Lewis, Jr., 1798. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: My Sentiments on the WTC attack
On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 09:49:30AM -0500, Bill Day wrote: > > >Just so you know the "A.G." for respectives states has been advised by the >U.S. A.G. to investigate the price gougings, which I'm sorry to say that I >seen them as high as $5.85 in Terre Haute. If they want to investigate something, there's a Ponzi Scam that's been going on since the mid '30s in which huge amounts of money have been taken, and use to buy votes. It's called Social Security. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Instead of giving money to found colleges to promote learning, why don't they pass a constitutional amendment prohibiting anybody from learning anything? If it works as good as the Prohibition one did, why, in five years we would have the smartest race of people on earth. -- The Best of Will Rogers ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: scripting/sed help
On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 04:55:53PM -0400, Douglas J. Hunley wrote: >I'm trying to write a script to remove parts of a file and am having >difficulty. The code looks like: >#!/bin/sh > >for i in zh fr de it ja ko pt es >do >for j in `find . -newer .babel -name '*.html' -print` >do >cat $j.$i | sed >'s/http\:\/\/babelfish\.altavista\.com\/urltrurl?lp=en_$i\&url=//g' >> >$j.$i.tmp >mv $j.$i.tmp $j.$i >done >done > >you can see that within the 'sed' I want to use $i... I can't figure out a >way to do this. Anyone? You need to use double quotes around the variables you need to expand. Something like this: sed 's/xxx'"$i"'/yyy'"$j"'/' Be very careful matching the single quotes (perl is a lot easier for this type of thing). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ DOS: n., A small annoying boot virus that causes random spontaneous system crashes, usually just before saving a massive project. Easily cured by UNIX. See also MS-DOS, IBM-DOS, DR-DOS. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: scripting/sed help
On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 05:13:33PM -0400, Gordon McCrae wrote: >User Double quotes (i.e ") instead of single quotes (i.e. ') and it will work. Actually it's more complicated than that because double quotes then require at least doubling all the backwhack characters (one of the joys of doing things like this in shell scripts). >Gordon > >"Douglas J. Hunley" wrote: > >> I'm trying to write a script to remove parts of a file and am having >> difficulty. The code looks like: >> #!/bin/sh >> >> for i in zh fr de it ja ko pt es >> do >> for j in `find . -newer .babel -name '*.html' -print` >> do >> cat $j.$i | sed >> 's/http\:\/\/babelfish\.altavista\.com\/urltrurl?lp=en_$i\&url=//g' >> >> $j.$i.tmp >> mv $j.$i.tmp $j.$i >> done >> done >> >> you can see that within the 'sed' I want to use $i... I can't figure out a >> way to do this. Anyone? >> -- >> Douglas J. Hunley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Linux User #174778 >> Admin: http://hunley.homeip.net/Admin: http://linux.nf/ >> Brainbench Linux Administration Certified >> >> ~~ Now offering Linux admin services for the home user ~~ >> >> My honor student hacked your web site. >> ___ >> http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc >->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users > >___ >http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc >->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users > -- Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.'' ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: Miami Herald Editorial
On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 05:49:33PM -0400, Joel Hammer wrote: >I forgot to mention. The Japanese still view Pearl Harbor as a victory. FDR probably did as well since it finally go the U.S. into the war on the side of Britain, which he had been trying to do for several years (highly illegally I might add). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``It's time to feed the hogs'' -- Unintended Consequences ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Speak Freely voice over IP
Can we talk a bit of Linux here? Has anybody on the list used Speak Freely? It seems to offer some very interesting capabilities including fully encrypted and compressed voice over IP. I stumbled across http://www.fourmilab.ch/speakfree/unix/ while looking for the demoroniser software, http://www.fourmilab.ch/webtools/demoroniser/, a neat program to clean up Micsoft's brain-dead web documents. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``No matter how much I may exaggerate it, it must have a certain amount of truth...Now rumor travels fast but it don't stay put as long as truth'' Will Rogers ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: VOip?
On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 11:27:14AM -0400, Jerry McBride wrote: >Say group, > > >Has anyone here implemented voice over ip? I've been asked to look into it and >from what I can tell it's a badwidth killer. I just ran across this today while looking for the demoroniser script that cleans up Micro$oft's stupid web pages. Right now I'm in the midst of getting things set up so I can try it: http://www.fourmilab.ch/speakfree/unix/ I just got a headset with Microphone so that now I can talk to the computer. Tomorrow I'll be doing some testing. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ It is necessary for the welfare of society that genius should be privileged to utter sedition, to blaspheme, to outrage good taste, to corrupt the youthful mind, and generally to scandalize one's uncles. -- George Bernard Shaw ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 11:04:53AM -0500, Stuart Biggerstaff wrote: >Apparently you never can be too intolerant... > >><http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28620-2001Sep14.html> This just another case of the Witch Doctor's lining their pockets by appealing to the fears and prejudices of the ignorant. They've even kept the Atillas of the world under their power this way. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.'' --George Orwell ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 09:30:51PM -0400, Bruce Marshall wrote: .. > >Exactly. One of the things we *must* give up is the thought that we must be >liked by the world. As long as what we do is correct and proper, let the >world think what it wants. Machiavelli pointed out that you last a lot longer of the people in a position to harm you fear you than if they love you. Fear is often a stronger motivation than greed. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Government spending? I don't know what it's all about. I don't know any more about this thing than an economist does, and, God knows, he doesn't know much. -- Will Rogers ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
The Seventh deadly sin is that if a free society reacts to terrorism by invoking authoritarian methods, it damages itself. But even worse, if free societies in their anxiety to avoid authoritarian excesses, FAIL to arm themselves against the terrorist threat, then the terrorists triumph. The seventh and deadliest sin is that terrorism can sap the will of a civilized society to defend itself. We have seen it happen. We find governments negotiating with terrorists . . . to concede to their demands. We find governments providing ransom money . . . releasing convicted criminals in response to demands . . . conceding them the status of political prisoners. . .. We find newspapers and TV networks placing democratic governments and the terrorists on a level of moral equality. We find governments failing time and again, in their duty to persuade the public that terrorists are not misguided politicians. They are criminals. They are extraordinary criminals, indeed, in that they pose a threat not merely to the individuals they murder without compunction, but to the whole fabric of society. In short, the seventh and deadliest sin of terrorism is its attempt to induce civilization to commit suicide. end of article---- -- Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``It's time to feed the hogs'' -- Unintended Consequences ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Am immodest proposal (forgive me, Mr. Swift)
On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 11:19:38AM -0400, Joel Hammer wrote: ... >Got a mosque in your area? You may well have a terrorist cell. >Mosques are used to raise money for these guys. How many churches in Boston raise money for the IRA? Didn't Hillary recommend clemency for Palestinian terrorists? Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ The day-to-day travails of the IBM programmer are so amusing to most of us who are fortunate enough never to have been one -- like watching Charlie Chaplin trying to cook a shoe. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Am immodest proposal (forgive me, Mr. Swift)
exactly what he wants. That's why he did this. Read his speeches and statements. It's all right there. He really believes Islam would beat the west. It might seem ridiculous, but he figures if he can polarize the world into Islam and the West, he's got a billion soldiers. If the west wreaks a holocaust in those lands, that's a billion people with nothing left to lose, that's even better from Bin Laden's point of view. He's probably wrong, in the end the West would win, whatever that would mean, but the war would last for years and millions would die, not just theirs but ours. Who has the belly for that? Unfortunately, Bin Laden does. Anyone else? In Peace, Tamim Ansary Charles Riggs - Gunsite 1991 - DVC! "Fight Crime - Be armed - Fight back!" President, KC3 - GOA - NRA * A parable for our times: http://www.kc3.org/sheep.htm * Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``It will be of little avail to the people that the laws are made by men of their own choice if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood.'' -James Madison, Federalist Paper #62 ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: web site won't work
On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 05:43:51PM -0500, Alan Jackson wrote: >On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 17:13:26 -0400 Tim Wunder wrote: >> Anyone care to recommend a web design tool for the neophite? > >I've written literally thousands of webpages over the past 9 years (yes, ever >since the beginning), and all I ever use is vim and sometimes the editor in >Netscape. > >But then I've coded many thousands of lines of code, and never used a tool >for that either, except for a text editor. > >Not using the fancy tools helps enforce the KISS principle as a discipline. Check out http://www.fourmilab.ch/webtools/demoroniser/ ``Correct Moronic Microsoft HTML''. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``When dealing with any spammer, one must always keep in mind that you are dealing with someone who makes their living through forgery, fraud, theft, subterfuge and obfuscation. Stated simply, spammers lie.'' David Ritz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: NYC A Close Call
On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 05:56:32PM -0500, Rick Sivernell wrote: >My wife was talking to her mother, as is always on the weekend, my mother in >law told my wife that my brother in laws son who has recent a college grad in >computers, was scheduled to take the flight from Boston Tuesday morning that >crashed in Pennsyvania, I know I misssed spelled the state. He oversleep and >missed his flight. In this one case not being responsible kept him alive. But >I would not want to count on it the rest of my life. We are certainly glad he >is safe. I just missed being a hostage when the Hanafi Muslims took over the D.C B'nai B'rith and a D.C. government building back in the '70s. I was scheduled for a job interview there about a half-hour before they were attacked, but had to reschedule the previous afternoon because of a conflict. When I did the interview about a week later, the person doing the interview was still in bandages from wounds he got during the takeover. Too bad I didn't get the job. They had some pretty interesting Burroughs main frames, and I would have gotten all the Jewish holidays as well as all the usual ones... Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ "A man full of faith is simply one who has lost (or never had) the capacity for clear and realistic thought. He is not a mere ass; he is actually ill. Worse, he is incurable." H.L. Mencken ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC: Not more guns
On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 12:15:24PM -0700, Shawn Tayler wrote: ... >An armed person is a citizen, an unarmed person is a subject. I prefer >to be a citizen. Two wolves and a lamb voting on lunch is a Democracy. Liberty is a well- armed lamb protecting the rights of the minority. (note the quote below was random, not selected to be appropriate to this post -- although I do select the pool of available quotes :-). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.'' -- Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-188 ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I am afraid...
On Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 05:03:09PM -0400, Joel Hammer wrote: >I am afraid of heights (I would hate to have to jump more >than 10 stories) and now airplanes, whether in one or watching them >fly overhead. >People almost invariably choose personal security over "freedom". >Any rational person would. Speak for yourself. I prefer ``Live Free or Die''. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!'' -- Emiliano Zapata. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I am afraid...
On Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 08:14:15PM -0400, Joel Hammer wrote: >> >People almost invariably choose personal security over "freedom". >> >Any rational person would. >> >> Speak for yourself. I prefer ``Live Free or Die''. > The Brazilians understand: http://www.sierratimes.com/archive/files/sep/17/arbz091701.htm Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ The day-to-day travails of the IBM programmer are so amusing to most of us who are fortunate enough never to have been one -- like watching Charlie Chaplin trying to cook a shoe. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: more of the damn kiddies
On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 11:23:41AM -0700, Vern W Heesch wrote: >Excuse my ignorance, but is this any threat to Linux and Apache? It's main danger is that it can fill up your disk with log entries. I turned off the packet logging on our Linux router because our syslog grew 3.5mb in less than a half-hour with packets rejected with destination addresses to unused subnets in one of our class Cs. >On Tuesday 18 September 2001 10:51 am, you wrote: >> See my post on 'new virus" >> >> On Tuesday 18 September 2001 11:15, Sys Admin wrote: >> > I'm seeing a lot of HTTP requests for: >> > /MSADC/root.exe >> > /scripts/root.exe >> > >> > anyone know what exploit the kiddies are looking for? >> > >> > Thanks! >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Douglas J. Hunley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Linux User #174778 >> > Admin: http://hunley.homeip.net/ Admin: http://linux.nf/ >> > Brainbench Linux Administration Certified >> > >> > ~~ Now offering Linux admin services for the home user ~~ >> > >> > DOS: n., A small annoying boot virus that causes random spontaneous >> > system crashes, usually just before saving a massive project. >> > Easily cured by UNIX. See also MS-DOS, IBM-DOS, DR-DOS. >> > ___ >> > http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc >> > ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users >___ >http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc >->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users > -- Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``We'll show the world we are prosperous, even if we have to go broke to do it.'' Will Rogers ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: fighting the worm (enough of this already)
On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 01:43:01PM -0400, Joel Hammer wrote: >Let's take a vote. Does anyone think that current users of windows products >(server or browser) will switch because of this latest worm? >I vote no, because if they didn't switch after the last worm, they don't >have the brains or time to make a switch. It isn't a matter of brains in most cases, but pure ignorance. There's also the matter of job security for the industry that's grown up to put bandaids on the Microsoft plague >It might be time to think whether or not Microsoft has become a security >risk to the country. This is a question? Windows is a threat to any data accessible to the machine. It costs billions every year in time lost waiting for reboots, and recovering data trashed by Windows and the brain-dead Microsoft applications. Check out the paragraph ``Covert use of Windows Machines'' in an article that I wrote back when the I Love You worm hit: http://www.celestial.com/iloveyou/ This was written a couple of years ago. Since then, Microsoft's own servers have been hit for Windows source code (could that be instrumental in perfecting the latest attacks), their servers have been hit by Code Red, and many U.S. Government sites hit as well. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Scientists are explorers. Philosophers are tourists.'' -- Richard Feynman ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] class-action fun
On Sat, Sep 22, 2001 at 11:03:59AM -0400, Joel Hammer wrote: >On Sat, Sep 22, 2001 at 09:19:30AM -0500, Rick Sivernell wrote: >> Talking with my son last night, he swears that there is no other OS that can >> do what M$ or XP can do. Finally after our conversation is about over and I (quoted text reformatted to fit 80 characters). >The best thing with windows users is benign neglect. Let Bill Gates solve >their problems for them. In my house, I just don't support windows anymore. >I don't (re)install and I don't troubleshoot the other members PC's, unless >the problem involves the linux run network. One has finally shifted to >linux for her on line activities (windows just stopped working). Another >had to use linux since windows finally just refused to reinstall on his >computer. Another would dump windows if not for AOL mail services. If any >of your household got the new worm with IE, don't clean it up for them. It >makes your life a lot easier. BTW, XP sounds like MS's first adventure >into a good desktop OS, but, who knows. If I tell my wife I won't fix her Windows box life gets pretty nasty around here (probably because of all my bitching, swearing, and general frustration when I have to fight this idiocy). Even if XP is more secure, etc. the new M$ licensing policies should go a long way towards getting people off Windows. Do they really want to have to pay yearly renewal fees or they can't run their existing systems? I have friends who get everything done they need on WfWG 3.1 or even WordPerfect for DOS, and don't want to pay a yearly Microsoft Tax. Do you want to have to call Microsoft Registration to get keys while reinstalling Windows at 2am on a weekend? Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ A paranoid is a man who knows a little of what's going on. -- William S. Burroughs ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] class-action fun
On Fri, Sep 21, 2001 at 04:44:42PM -0400, Douglas J. Hunley wrote: ... >Sue Microsoft for negligence. > >"But they issued patches for these exploits," you say. > >Yes, but they kept selling freshly pressed OS CD's that were still >defective. I.e., they refused to recall and re-press product that >they acknowledged (presumably this is where the lawyer would argue >about "reasonable consumers" or some such) through patches and >advisories was defective. An excellent example to show that responsible vendors will pull a CD from circulation and replace it when a major security flaw is found was a release of SCO OpenServer several years ago. I was in the beta program for this release, and when I got my FCS (First Customer Ship) CDs I installed them on a local system. My first security checks showed a minor problem, ``/`, and all the system directories had 777 permissions (the default for Win9x)! I immediately sent an e-mail to several of the top people at SCO including Doug Michels, and they IMMEDIATELY recalled all the media kits they had shipped delaying the release several weeks. ... > -> one guy has 55,000 logged Nimda hits on one of his colo'd servers, and > I believe that's unique combined hits (i.e., at ~16 requests per hit), easy > enough to verify). That's easy to believe. Our router (a Linux box) was logging attempts to connect to unused subnets in the two class Cs we have here. I had to turn off logging these rejections in ipchains because our logs were growing 3.5MB about every fifteen minutes! Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Intaxication: Euphoria at getting a refund from the IRS, which lasts until you realize it was your money to start with. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: fighting the worm (enough of this already)
On Fri, Sep 21, 2001 at 09:13:29PM -0400, Joel Hammer wrote: >Well, internet access was down all day at work. Couldn't look up anything >regarding medical literature for our specimen sign outs. Really a problem. >My network server went down so no email, internal or external. Of course, I >just telnet home and use my linux box for email, anyway. They stopped >blocking port 23 after the first day. We did get a >message to leave our computers on so IS can fix them all over the weekend. >One of our friends has the same problem at her work. You allow telnet into your home box? That's a great way to get your system cracked. >Here at my house on @HOME I have had 16885 hits by 729 unique ip's since this >began. (This doesn't count the worm, which gave 377 hits over this same >time.) No damage done, since I use apache and we don't browse with IE. >Over on the samba list, some people have had trouble with their samba >servers, since the windows clients sent the worm to all mounted shares. If >anyone has trouble of that sort, they might look at samba.org, I believe. I thought @HOME had blocked all incoming port 80 traffic to their customers (their contracts say they shouldn't be running servers). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.'' -Alexis de Tocqueville, 1805-1859 ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Windows XP
On Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 10:59:13AM -0400, Joel Hammer wrote: >> >> Is Windows XP a *real* operating system yet, or is it another GUI shell >> running on top of MS-DOS v X.x??? >XP got rave reviews in both the WSJ and the NYTimes. They claimed it was >very stable, ran for weeks without rebooting, etc. >It IS a resource hog. The WSJ article I saw wasn't exactly a rave. While it did say that XP is much more stable than previous versions of Windows (that would be easy), it did say that it was a ``Trojan Horse'' designed to lead you to other Microsoft services. There was a separate article to tell how to minimize this, but basically you can't get away from it. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ When only cops have guns, it's called a ``police state''. -- Claire Wolfe, "101 Things To Do Until The Revolution" ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Windows XP
It seems even the Seattle media is publishing some things that aren't totally pro-Microsoft. http://www.celestial.com/images/winxparticle.jpg Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``We'll show the world we are prosperous, even if we have to go broke to do it.'' Will Rogers ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: M'soft CD topartners about "Competing with Linux"
On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 08:40:36AM +0200, Zoki wrote: > >http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-08-23-014-20-NW-MS > >An excerpt from the CD: > >"Reliability" >Linux is being used for simple tasks such as file/print and static web page >serving. Microsoft customers are using Windows NT Server for demanding, >high performance, mission critical applications such as messaging, data >warehousing, decision support and e-commerce. Less heavily loaded systems >with less complex software suites have high reliability." Demanding as in running Code Red, Nimba, etc.? Reliability as in heavily loaded Linux servers whose uptimes are generally limited by the power company or equipment moves? Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ When only cops have guns, it's called a ``police state''. -- Claire Wolfe, "101 Things To Do Until The Revolution" ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
