Re: Comcast mail
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 07:20:44AM -0500, Joel Hammer wrote: With register.com, you own your domain name. Register.com doesn't know what your email address is, necessarily. There should be working e-mail addresses in the Admin, Technical, and Billing information in their ``whois'' database. Network Solutions seems to sell their whois database to every marketing sleaze on the planet. Register.com appears to be the registrar for far too many spamhauses, and their abuse people have never made any constructive response to complaints about spam advertising sites where they're the registrar. They don't seem to do any checking on the contact information they publish in their ``whois'' data so the spammer's contact info is frequently totally bogus. Joel mailbank.com). Either way, for a nominal fee you get out of being email shackled to your ISP. and sells your e-mail address to every spamming slime in the world? ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. -- Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 Avoid revolution or expect to get shot. Mother and I will grieve, but we will gladly buy a dinner for the National Guardsman who shot you. -- Dr. Paul Williamson, father of a Kent State student ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Comcast mail
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 01:46:01PM -0500, Tim Wunder wrote: snip FYI, Joel: I just went to http://www.comcast.net and was allowed to go to member services and create additional users. Got the same names as before. I had to use MSIE, since the page wouldn't load properly in Mozilla. There was an article in the Seattle Times this morning on Comcast tracking the web sites their customers visit. I read the whole thing, but if they're using something like akami to proxy web requests, this would be easy for them to do. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``The children who know how to think for themselves spoil the harmony of the collective society that is coming, where everyone would be interdependent.'' 1899 John Dewey, educational philosopher, proponent of modern public schools. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Comcast mail
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 02:43:06PM -0500, Tim Wunder wrote: Bill Campbell wrote: ... There was an article in the Seattle Times this morning on Comcast tracking the web sites their customers visit. I read the whole thing, but if they're using something like akami to proxy web requests, this would be easy for them to do. Really? Even if you don't use their proxy server? I can't say for sure as I've never looked at the details of how the akami servers work. I know that Akami installs their own servers at the ISP's site, and their servers gradually mirror major web sites (the owners of these web sites pay Akami for this, and the servers don't cost the ISP anything beyond rack space and power). My guess is that requests to port 80 are diverted to the local Akami servers. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Never chastise a Windows user...just smile at them kindly as you would a disadvantaged child.'' WBM ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Comcast mail
On Tue, Feb 12, 2002 at 12:06:17AM -0500, Joel Hammer wrote: What a @#$%^ service. I use my hammershome address for most of my stuff but my daughter needs an email address, too. I suppose she'll need to use aol. There are other e-mail alternatives to AOL (I can tell from your e-mail address you're either a goat-herder or a cartoonist -- Scott Adams). We set up our cable customer's e-mail to send/receive all their e-mail through one of our mail servers using uucp over tcp/ip either through their own registered domain names or through a subdomain of one of our domains. This is pretty easy to set up Linux/Unix systems. I know, you say uucp's an obsolete protocol, but it works very well, isn't blocked by any ISPs I've encountered (many responsible ISPs block outgoing port 25 to prevent spamming by their customers or their open mail relays), and doesn't even require a network connection, plain dialup is OK. We have been providing uucp e-mail connections to people in the Puget Sound area since 1984, and still have dialup customers who have not network connection at all. One of which, luckypet.com, has a co-located web site that sends orders to them by e-mail which come to our system, ours dials theirs using a normal character dialup (e.g. not PPP), sends the e-mails where they're processed by their SCO OpenServer system automatically. I have also been working with Caldera's Volution Messaging Server here. This makes it reasonably easy to set up e-mail only accounts which are accessible externally via POP/IMAP clients, and also has a webmail interface using horde/imp. The major problem with this now is that there are some modifications necessary to allow external POP/IMAP clients to relay mail through the server after reading mail. This can be done by adding whosond support to the cyrus-imap, and postfix servers. We haven't been pushing this type of service, largely because I've never been able to figure what it's worth for people to have reliable e-mail addresses that aren't tied into a specific ISP, are Linux Friendly, etc. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your consul, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget ye were our countrymen.'' -- Samuel Adams (American Patriot) ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Reading Documents with Various editors
On Tue, Feb 12, 2002 at 07:55:35PM -0600, Michael Hipp wrote: Good summary, Joel. Do you have a copy of OpenOffice handy to try also? Joel Hammer pontificated eloquently: We got at memo a work today, a 300 word memo in Word that was 45 KB long. It has a small corporate logo on it. I decided to experiment. Using Word97, I saved it in four formats, DOC, HTM, RFT, and TXT, with the following file sizes: [big snip] Michael Microsoft Windows XP: Just say no. Yup. My wife brought home a couple of .xls files last night that she couldn't read on any of the machines at $herjob or on her Windows machine. I tried with StarOffice, NeXS, and Applixware, none of which could handle it. My conclusion was that it had to come from Office XP (strings did a pretty decent of extracting things that could be imported into something useful). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ A paranoid is a man who knows a little of what's going on. -- William S. Burroughs ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Comcast mail
On Tue, Feb 12, 2002 at 08:59:39PM -0600, Michael Hipp wrote: Joel Hammer pontificated eloquently: How is this different from a thing like Register.com? Register.com seems to provide similar sames services, and for the same price ($36.00 per year). Not real familiar with Register.com, but ultimately it looks about the same. Only diff is that R.com you actually buy a domain name rather than just renting an email address off an existing domain of theirs (like at mailbank.com). Either way, for a nominal fee you get out of being email shackled to your ISP. and sells your e-mail address to every spamming slime in the world? Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``I have no reason to suppose that he, who would take away my Liberty, would not when he had me in his Power, take away everything else.'' John Locke ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: new ibm ad
On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 09:55:27PM -0500, dep wrote: new ibm linux ad, based on basketball: how can anybody that good play for peanuts? loves the game. just now on of all places the weather channel. Anybody else see yesterday's Silicon Spin show on techtv? Dvorak was talking to people from IBM, HP, and an open standards guy about Linux in the Enterprise. I found it pretty interesting. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``When dealing with any spammer, one must always keep in mind that you are dealing with someone who makes their living through forgery, fraud, theft, subterfuge and obfuscation. Stated simply, spammers lie.'' David Ritz [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: new ibm ad
On Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 07:23:09PM -0500, Ian wrote: ... I've not watched Silicon Spin in a long time...from the site it looks like you have to watch it at specific times...the only thing I see in the archives are a month old. Am I not seeing a link or something? The main broadcast daily is at 15:00 U.S. Eastern time (12:00 Pacific), and it's rebroadcast several times a day. I have our DirecTV Satellite TiVo set to record the noon show daily, then watch later so I can skip the ads. BTW: The TiVo systems are Linux based. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ With Congress, every time they make a joke it's a law; and every time they make a law it's a joke. -- Will Rogers ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Suggested module for PCI LAN Card..?
On Tue, Feb 05, 2002 at 07:02:52AM -0500, Jerry McBride wrote: On Mon, 04 Feb 2002 18:16:23 -0600 Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to LinkSys support page they work fine with the ne2000 driver. Link: http://www.linksys.com/support/support.asp?spid=26 If it's the lne100tx, it'll work better with the tulip drivers... We stopped using the LinkSys NICs because they didn't work all that well with the Tulip drivers unless you used ones with their patches. It's been a couple of years since we last tried this so they may be better now. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. At best he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe and not make messes in the house. -- Lazarus Long, Time Enough for Love ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: DNS issues again
On Tue, Feb 05, 2002 at 05:38:20PM -0500, Douglas J Hunley wrote: Looks like there's something wrong with the DNS for linux.nf (yes, again). Unfortunately, it's not something I have access to. Bear with us as the issue gets resolved and we implement secondary DNS servers. Sorry Considering that a query for name servers for linux.nf resports two, ns1.nf and ns2.nf, and queries for the IP addresses of these two servers reports the same IP address, 203.12.249.100, I think you have a bit of a problem. I would be happy to do secondary DNS for linux.nf if necessary. We have three authoritative servers here running djbdns. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ The Constitution is a written instrument. As such, its meaning does not alter. That which it meant when it was adopted, it means now. -- SOUTH CAROLINA v. US, 199 U.S. 437, 448 (1905) ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT Fwd: SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002
On Tue, Feb 05, 2002 at 12:17:38AM +1130, Mike Andrew wrote: On Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:41, Burns MacDonald wrote: frontal lobotomy can produce a Windows OS clone. You're opinion is always worth respecting Burns but that's a cheap throway shot at explaining away the need to make an OS user friendly. A killer line to knock out opposition. (anyway, it takes a real idiot to create 10million lines of code and call it Windows, a lobotomy would have reduced the line count) The arcane blitheringly stupid cli syntax of Linux can get consigned to the dustbin where it deserved to be 20 years ago. The cli is an embarassment to those who use it... Bovine defacation! Doug Gwyn put it best when he said ``GUIs make simple things simple, and complex things impossible''. I'm not saying that GUIs aren't useful for many things, and I certainly would find life a lot harder without them. On the other hand, there are many things I can do much more easily and quickly from the command line than I can poking through endless menus and screens to accomplish the same thing. It's a lot easier to copy all the text files in a directory to a floppy by typing ``cp *.txt /auto/floppy'' than it is to select them with a GUI, right-click copy, go find the floppy in another file manager, then right-click paste. How many times have you been selecting files from a dialog box with ctrl-leftclick, only to let up on the ctrl key, and loose all the ones you had selected? Some applications are by nature GUI. GUIs make the infrequently performed system administration jobs more convenient. GUIs make it extremely difficult if not impossible to automate jobs. The best GUI administration tools are basically front ends for command line programs, and either display or log the commands they execute so that jobs that are done frequently can be repeated very quickly by putting those commands in a script. As an example of this, I frequently have to burn CDs containing all the vendor updates for a system along with all of the software we've written for installations, and the directory this is in has gotten too large to fit on a single CDrom so I have to exclude some files and directories. I did this with xcdroast, tweaking patterns until I got it right, then put the commands it used to make the ISO file system, burn, and verify the CD into a short script that I can now execute from the command line in less time than it takes to get xcdroast past the initial greeting screen (less people time, not the time to actually do the processing). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ A fake fortuneteller can be tolerated. But an authentic soothsayer should be shot on sight. Cassandra did not get half the kicking around she deserved. -- R.A. Heinlein ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Wierd mail problem... [Solved]
On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 12:05:15PM -0500, Bill Day wrote: Well, it seems to be taken care of now. Some rogue message from co.kr (spam) that everytime I tried to get, no matter what client I used, it would cause my connection to drop. had isp remove all messages in it and all seems good now. This may be a case where using IMAP would have solved the problem since it doesn't move messages to the client until you specifically open the message to view it. IMAP just gets the basic header information from each document so your mail client can display the messages available. When one of ISP customers gets a problem like this, I usually have them open the customer's mailbox with mutt so they can see and delete the offending messages. This can cause problems though because one of our ISP's customers asked one of their support people to fix his mailbox. The support person told him that she would have to look at his mail messages to fix it. She found a bunch of kiddie porn in the mail, and now the customer's a guest of the state. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Government is actually the worst failure of civilized man. There has never been a really good one, and even those that are most tolerable are arbitrary, cruel, grasping and unintelligent. -- H. L. Mencken ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Wierd mail problem...
On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 04:11:22PM -0500, David A. Bandel wrote: ... There are one or two pop3 servers (cucipop comes to mind) that will exhibit this behavior when an e-mail is larger than 2Mb. But if that's the case, you have idiots working in the ISP who should limit incoming mail (sendmail will do this) to under 2Mb in size but haven't. While I agree with the sentiment, it doesn't work in the Real World(tm) where customers insist on using e-mail to do file transfers instead of ftp. They bitch like crazy with 2MB limits, and many ISPs kick this up to 8MB or so. I don't know how many times I've gotten calls where some idiot's mailed the family photo album as a Word document full of BMP attachments. Then they wondered why they could never retrieve their mail from the server -- even it it's on the same LAN! The last time I had to fix one of these, the user's mailbox was well over 100MB, and contained three copies of the same 33MB message. I always point them to my on-line help page on this, but it never seems to go any good. As they say, ``you can always tell a Harvard Man, but not much''. http://www.celestial.com/on-line-help/mailfiles.html Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.'' -- Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-188 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT Fwd: SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002
On Tue, Feb 05, 2002 at 11:44:48AM +1130, Mike Andrew wrote: On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 04:34, Bill Campbell wrote: It's a lot easier to copy all the text files in a directory to a floppy by typing ``cp *.txt /auto/floppy'' than it is to select them with a GUI, right-click copy, go find the floppy in another file manager, then It's a lot easier to make a typo, too. Yabbut with command history, it's easy to fix it and rerun the command. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.'' -- Frederick Douglass. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Sylpheed vs courier-imap and shared mailboxes
Is anybody here using sylpheed with courier-imap, managing folders on the IMAP server? In particular, I'm interested in using shared folders, but don't see them at all using sylpheed-0.7.0. The sylpheed-0.7.0claw release appears to handle shared folders, but I haven't built it yet to try it on the servers. My goal is to encourage business users to keep their folders on the IMAP server where they may be accessible from their normal desktops, and via a webmail or IMAP interface when away from the office as well (and I can still use mutt on my mailboxes since I'll run it on the server :-). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Independent self-reliant people would be a counterproductive anachronism in the collective society of the future where people will be defined by their associations.'' 1896 John Dewey, educational philosopher, proponent of modern public schools. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Gimp
On Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 12:58:07PM -0500, Lee wrote: Recently a friend saw a preview of Linux on the Tech tv channel. He was particularly impressed with the portion devoted to GIMP and he asked me to install my version of SuSe 7.2 on his box. He likes Linux, but has a problem that I am not familiar with as I don't use Gimp much. Once Gimp has been opened how does he load photo files from the cdrom or windows side of the dual boot. Using FreeDisk it's possible to open the windows photo files, but can't find a way to load them in Gimp or save them back to the windows file after they have been worked on. You can mount the windows partition as a directory under Linux, then read the files directly from the hard drive. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority it is time to pause and reflect.'' -- Mark Twain ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: init and defunct process cleanup
On Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 10:18:53AM -0800, Net Llama wrote: My understanding is that defunct processes are zombies, and can't be cleaned up with a reboot. Anything can be cleared with a reboot. Zombie processes are generally children that have been forked from a parent process where the child process has quit, but the parent hasn't executed a wait() call to clear it's dead children. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Nobody wants to be called common people, especially common people.'' Will Rogers ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: opinions on this iptables script
On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 01:40:09PM -0500, Matthew Carpenter wrote: That's what I mean by nasty... Retaliation (albeit mild). That's the way to go IMHO. Just haven't had the time to automate one. One of our ISP customers was being mail bombed from an ISP, and when I called their technical contact to have them disconnect the modem for that customer he told me that he couldn't tell which modem corresponded to that IP address (he was running NT of course :-). My suggestion was to disconnect modems until the attack stopped to which he replied, ``how will I know when it's stopped''. I told him he would know when the messages stopped coming into his postmaster address as I pressed ENTER to active the deliver script to forward that message to him... (the problem stopped shortly after then when the NT system crashed). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``...I'm not one of those who think Bill Gates is the devil. I simply suspect that if Microsoft ever met up with the devil, it wouldn't need an interpreter.'' -- Nick Petreley ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Large cracks in the Windoze, a fud warning.
On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 02:05:55PM -0500, Matthew Carpenter wrote: Note that I just read an article in which Ballmer is quoted as stating that Windows 2000 is more stable than Linux, among other BS. Laughable, but public perception is no laughing matter when the whole world is involved. It's probably more stable if one considers the stability of a box sitting on the shelf, and the likelihood of the shelf being displaced in an earthquake. The mass of the licenses and other paper in the box make it a better paper weight. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``We shouldn't elect a President; we should elect a magician.'' Will Rogers ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: New Address, Job OT
On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 10:17:27AM -0500, Michael Scottaline wrote: ... Yeah, I know he heated Philly (kids too) but I thoght that's why he put it on his gravestone (even Philly beats the grave..., but just barely...) My favorite line from the show ``Chorus Line'' was ``suicide in Buffalo is redundant''. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``We maintain that the very foundation of our way of life is what we call free enterprise,'' said Cash McCall, ``but when one of our citizens show enough free enterprise to pile up a little of that profit, we do our best to make him feel that he ought to be ashamed of himself.'' -- Cameron Hawley ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: length of command-line
On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 10:56:42AM -0700, Tyler Regas wrote: ... Yes, but is that a limitation of the shell or is it a limitation of ls? The DOS limitation resides in the command environment itself. It might even be a sort of throttle for ls that limits incoming args to prevent swamping the system. That lline of yours would certainly do it :) Actually I think it's a kernel limit on the maximum size of command line and environment space. SCO OpenServer used to be limited to about 5000 characters, but made this a configurable parameter several years ago. See the man pages for ``xargs'' for information on ways to deal with huge numbers of arguments. As an example to find all the files containing some pattern this will work on most *ix boxes: find . -type f -print | xargs grep -l pattern Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``I don't make jokes, I just watch the Government and report the facts...'' Will Rogers ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: length of command-line
On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 01:47:29PM -0700, Tyler Regas wrote: SNIP See the man pages for ``xargs'' for information on ways to deal with huge numbers of arguments. As an example to find all the files containing some pattern this will work on most *ix boxes: find . -type f -print | xargs grep -l pattern Sorry to say, Bill, but I'm a GUI snob. It may be faster to have a console The question was about length of command lines, and that's what I answered. How does that relate to GUIs? Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Bagdikian's Observation: Trying to be a first-rate reporter on the average American newspaper is like trying to play Bach's St. Matthew Passion on a ukelele. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: length of command-line
On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 02:21:47PM -0700, Tyler Regas wrote: The question was about length of command lines, and that's what I answered. How does that relate to GUIs? It relates to GUIs in that I would not think to use the command that you suggested. I simply saw an interesting component to the thread and followed it. The main reason I posted it is that people often don't think to use xargs which is one of the more useful programs around, far more efficient than find's -exec argument which is often overused. The beauty of mailing lists like this is that there are often pearls amongst the discussion of politics and other OT stuff. In particular I had forgotten the ctrl-alt-esc sequence in X-windows which allows one to nuke any window, and have used it several times in the last few days when I had frozen windows (opera6 in downloads mostly). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Government is actually the worst failure of civilized man. There has never been a really good one, and even those that are most tolerable are arbitrary, cruel, grasping and unintelligent. -- H. L. Mencken ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: an interesting experience
On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 04:32:40PM -0500, Kurt Wall wrote: ... A plant originally used in the American southeast as roadside cover, until governments discovered that it grows very rapidly, is impossible to kill, and entombs everything in its path in a very attractive, leafy vine. I had a friend who lived just north of Atlanta who went away for a few weeks, and when he returned his car was totally covered with kudzu. The first time I saw it was when driving to a race at Road Atlanta, and the phone poles looked like green pyramid tents where kudzu had grown up over and around them. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 http://www.celestial.com/ The question is, why are politicians so eager to be president? What is it about the job that makes it worth revealing, on national television, that you have the ethical standards of a slime-coated piece of industrial waste? -- Dave Barry, On Presidential Politics ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: length of command-line
On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 05:28:04PM -0700, Tyler Regas wrote:
The main reason I posted it is that people often don't think to use xargs
which is one of the more useful programs around, far more efficient than
find's -exec argument which is often overused.
What are the benefits of using xargs as opposed to the -exec option? Take
this from the POV of a guy who doesn't spend much time in the CLI :)
Primarily that it doesn't exec the command for each file, but groups them
together. These two commands should do the same thing, but the second will
only exec the grep command a few times while the first will do it for every
file (the exec format may not be correct since I rarely use it).
find . -type f -exec 'grep -l pattern {} \;' /tmp/list
find . -type f -print | grep -l pattern /tmp/list
The beauty of mailing lists like this is that there are often pearls
amongst the discussion of politics and other OT stuff. In particular I had
forgotten the ctrl-alt-esc sequence in X-windows which allows one to nuke
any window, and have used it several times in the last few days when I had
frozen windows (opera6 in downloads mostly).
You are very correct. I personally use xkill as its not dependant on a key
sequence, but then I use a nasty mix of KDE and GNOME with a rather complex
Mac-like keyboard shortcut set G.
I think that the ctrl-alt-esc uses xkill.
Bill
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Re: Linux Mag OT
On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 10:40:35AM -0500, Bruce Marshall wrote: ... What version of Opera? It fails on my 5.0. I did get it to work under Win/Netscape/4.7 but it fails on Win/Netscape/6.2 with Not init'd I got it to work here with Netscape Communicator 4.75 (Caldera eDesktop 2.4). It didn't work on Mozilla 0.94, and when I went to view source, it said the browser didn't have java enabled although there was an open window where it appeared to be attempting to load applets. Under Opera 5.0 it says not init'd Under Win/Opera/6.0 it says invalid bytecode Linux Opera 6.0 came up with a blank screen, but I don't think I've got java configured properly for it. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``The only freedom which deserves the name, is that of pursuing our own good in our own way, so long as we do not attempt to deprive others of theirs, or impede their efforts to obtain it.'' -- John Stuart Mill, 1859 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Congress to look at software liability? OT
On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 11:18:45AM -0500, Joel Hammer wrote: This must be the dumbest idea in a long time. This is like holding a builder liable because someone broke into his building by digging under the foundation or smashing a window. DUMB. Not dumb if the builder puts locks on doors that don't work or leaves gaping holes in the building so that the triple-locked doors are worthless. On the other hand, we stopped marketing the accounting systems I developed because of the potential liability problems. We had a situation where a customer had five years of acccounting data on-line (wholesale furniture using our integrated system), had a hard drive problem, then attempted to make backups -- using the only good tapes they had, wiping out all their backups. I had told them not to use those tapes, and warned them weeks before that their hard drive was getting flakey so we could schedule a replacement. We had done everything in our power to prevent the problem from getting really critical, but that wouldn't have kept them from suing Celestial and costing us a ton of money defending ourselves. BTW: I did manage to get all their data off the system, and restored on another hard disk in spite of their efforts to destroy it. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``It's time to feed the hogs'' -- Unintended Consequences ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Large cracks in the Windoze, a fud warning.
On Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 11:05:23AM -0500, Bruce Marshall wrote: On Saturday 19 January 2002 10:57 am, Bruce Marshall wrote: In fact, checking with www.barkto.com, there is a better explaination of what really happened than I just gave from memory. I correct myself. The what really happened link on that page deals with the events of CIS committing suicide by lumping some very successful forums together and killing others. It was a dumb move because it took less than 24 hours for those successful forums to re-invent themselves as private news groups at no cost. Most of the members left CIS at this point. I left after 13 years of CIS usage. I was a ``co-moderator'' on the CIS SCOFORUM group for several years, and quit when they made it difficult-to-impossible for me to deal with CIS from my *ix boxen (at that time SCO OpenServer). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``People from East Germany have found the West so confusing. It's so much easier when you have only one party.'' -- Linus Torvalde, Linux Expo Canada when asked about confusion over many Linux distributions. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: ingenuity sought
On Sun, Jan 13, 2002 at 12:20:43PM -0500, dep wrote: thanks, everybody, for the multitude of good ideas and scripts. you will be amused to know that it was pointed out to me in no uncertain terms that i must go through and cull out the not-great pictures anyway, so i'd have to view them individually anyway, so i did a save-as and did all of them manually. and i shall not shoot a wedding digitally ever again. I could generalize to never shoot a wedding again -- I did far too much of that when I was in college as it was one of my primary sources of income. Digital has to be easier to handle than the 4x5 sheet film from a Linhoff Super Teknica (and press 40 flash bulbs were a pain :-). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Ah, you know the type. They like to blame it all on the Jews or the Blacks, 'cause if they couldn't, they'd have to wake up to the fact that life's one big, scary, glorious, complex and ultimately unfathomable crapshoot -- and the only reason THEY can't seem to keep up is they're a bunch of misfits and losers.'' -- A analysis of Neo-Nazis, from The Badger comic ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Irc Idea
On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 07:00:43AM +1000, Keith Antoine wrote: On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:19,Kurt Wall scribed: Scribbling feverishly on January 13, Lavinius Romio Petru managed to emit: How about an IRC channel for us ? realtime problem fixing can be better but we will still post here so search engines can find us ? IRC poses significant security risks, primarily to IRC clients. Beyond that, I would not object but would not use it myself. Kurt Neither would I.. I'll 3rd that. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ My brother sent me a postcard the other day with this big satellite photo of the entire earth on it. On the back it said: ``Wish you were here''. -- Steven Wright ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: 12 steps
On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 10:34:54AM -0600, Schmeits, Roger wrote: I found this extremely funny simply because I have been in AA for several years. good for a chuckle. http://www.cio.com/archive/010102/shop.html Other than the fact that the page should have been run through demoroniser.pl to fix some characters, it's great (I'll see your AA and raise you 15 years in Al-Anon :-). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Democracy Is Mob Rule with Income Taxes'' ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Maxtor 80 meg drive
On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 09:30:02AM -0800, Net Llama wrote: Still about $20 above its value. No. Several hundred dollars above its value considering the damage it can do. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Liberty don't work as good in practice as it does in speeches.'' Will Rogers ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Sendmail question
On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 04:34:42PM -0600, Stuart Biggerstaff wrote: Is there a straightforward way to have e-mail sent to nonexistent addresses forwarded to root or another account? We would like to be able to collect these to possibly forward to the users. I don't do sendmail, but did see an /etc/maildomains file on a system I did some other work on which provides for mapping mail for multiple domains with default addresses if there isn't a match. The file for this is in the format: [EMAIL PROTECTED] some_valid_email_address [EMAIL PROTECTED] another_valid_email_address example.com an_address_where_anything_else_goes. I thought this was a pretty neat way to handle virtual domains, and implemented this in smail-3.2 using the rewrite driver. This probably isn't the best way to handle several thousand primary addresses on a system though. It lends itself best to virtual domains with limited numbers of users. This could be used though if one has a capability similar to smail's smart_user variable which will forward unknown local addresses to another mail server for handling (or another instance of the server on the same machine, but listening on another NIC). I know we could set up aliases for deleted former users and maybe for incorrect spellings we could anticipate, but that wouldn't get all possibilities. Deleted or expired are fairly easy to handle by aliasing the address so that they get forwarded to a script that returns some useful message. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority it is time to pause and reflect.'' -- Mark Twain ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Maxtor 80 meg drive
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 07:51:25PM -0500, Joel Hammer wrote: Can someone point me to an up to date discussion on how to partition a disk this size? I want to use this disk as my primary drive (newer, faster, bigger) and I need some information on partitioning it. I use LILO. Are you sure you don't mean an 80GB drive? I probably have a couple of 70MB Maxtor MFM drives sitting around as door stops left over from my Tandy 6000 days. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``No matter how much I may exaggerate it, it must have a certain amount of truth...Now rumor travels fast but it don't stay put as long as truth'' Will Rogers ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Really handy but unsolicted tips for vi (vim)
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 08:57:53PM -0500, Joel Hammer wrote:
The more I learn about vi the better it becomes.
Another neat vi tricks session.
To put the output of any command in your text, type the command
on a line, the press ``!!shRETURN''.
calESC!!shRETURN
January 2002
Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
1 2 3 4 5
6 7 8 9 10 11 12
13 14 15 16 17 18 19
20 21 22 23 24 25 26
27 28 29 30 31
To expand bash shell commands so that they're portable, try
putting echo in front of the command, then do ``!!bashENTER''.
mkdir /usr/local/{bin,lib,sbin}
converts to this.
mkdir /usr/local/bin /usr/local/lib /usr/local/sbin
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Re: new Steps! (1/4)
On Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 07:32:08AM -0500, Douglas J Hunley wrote: ... Getting page not found on Bill Campbell. guess I should have elaborated on the most of em part. a couple of editors haven't got their info in to me yet. but it's coming. I'll get something later today or tomorrow. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun.'' -- Buckminster Fuller ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: new Steps! (1/4)
On Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 09:17:48PM -0500, Douglas J Hunley wrote: Bill Campbell babbled on about: I'll get something later today or tomorrow. no hurry. hell, you don't have to if you don't want to. just tell me you don't so I can remove the link. No problem -- other than putting together something like that's been on my to-do list for far longer than I care to admit. The outline looks like a pretty good starting place. Finding a more-or-less current pic that doesn't look like crap is another story... If you want one from my racing days, here's one from almost 30 years ago (72 Lime Rock). http://www.celestial.com/images/hawke_frieda_steve.jpg Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Our Foreign dealings are an Open Book, generally a Check Book.'' Will Rogers ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: exchange 5.5
On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 01:46:13PM -0500, Douglas J Hunley wrote: Tim Wunder babbled on about: You mean Groupware? Funny, I'm starting to look into this myself. Not as a replacement for Exchange, but as a new installation. I've found some that look interesting, but haven't tried any yet: does IMP fall in there anywhere? it's part of Horde (www.horde.org I think) IMP is a web mail product allowing one to set up a web interface to one or more servers running IMAP. It has several nice features including the ability to access multiple servers, and to send mail using different domain names depending on the server selected (the same server may be used with different domain names). We're running a pretty old version (at least a year) on php3 so I can't say if the current version is any better. Horde also has a ``project management'' web interface which we've tried, but found pretty lame. I really want to find a real project management package for Linux that handles resource levelling, allocation of fixed assets, etc. We used TimeLine for Windows for several years, but (a) it doesn't seem to be available now, and (b) I really don't want to run Windows applications Our only Windows box ceased to boot over a month ago, and I haven't had any serious need for any Windows application (it still runs RedHat 7.1 just fine). I'm waiting for my brother to get back from Maui to deal with the Windows side of it. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Freedom from prices is freedom from responsibility. You can simply pass laws, using the magic wand of government to satisfy your own desires at unspecified costs to be paid by others.'' -- Thomas Sowell Aug 2000 ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: IT jobs Florida
On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 07:40:56PM -0500, Kurt Wall wrote: On January 03, Randy enlightened our ignorance thusly: [...] The 70's were hell on brain cells, I think, it's all just a blur. The normal conversation went something like what are these I don't know just take a couple:). I think I remember that... I certainly recall taking more than just two of anything that came by. If one was good, then two was better, and twenty was perfect. ;-) That any brain cells survived is fscking amazing. I knew that I was in bad shape when Boone's Farm tasted good. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Basic Definitions of Science: If it's green or wiggles, it's biology. If it stinks, it's chemistry. If it doesn't work, it's physics. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Internet Server Sanctions
On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 07:23:10PM +, Ronnie Gauthier wrote: Not quite right. If I set up IBM.com in my dns anyone on my network would go where my records point to and nothing can supercede them except a lawsuit. Not internic, your ISP, IBM or anyone. There are actually legitmate reasons one might do something like this. I had a case last week when one of my friend's DSL connection got hosed, and their upstream took several days to fix it, giving them a fixed IP dialup in the interim. We're the primary backup MX forwarder for their domain, but not a secondary DNS server. I just set up authoritative DNS for them here using djbdns (lot's easier and more secure than bind) with a primary MX record pointing to their dynamic dialup, and this got their mail flowing in the interim. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ It's very glamorous to raise millions of dollars, until it's time for the venture capitalist to suck your eyeballs out. -- Peter Kennedy, chairman of Kraft Kennedy. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: otchristmas and its HOT!
One of the first things I did with a computer was to calculate the speed of light in furlongs per fortnight. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Our Foreign dealings are an Open Book, generally a Check Book.'' Will Rogers ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Postifx (Was: Re: Is This Thing On?)
On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 01:10:46PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... If David can't figure it out (postfix configuration, that is), I feel much better and less the idiot. I've been using smail-3.2 for years instead of sendmail. Learning Postfix has been on my to-do list for at least a year, but is fairly low priority since smail is working fine for me, and I have quite a bit of supporting code that uses smail's features that will require modification. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``If you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you'' -- Benjamin Franklin ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: On the hunt...
On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 05:37:03PM -0500, Jerry McBride wrote: Would someone that's running eserver 3.1 send me a copy of the kernel .config file? I'd like to look it over for learning purposes. The version used to build the linux-kernel-binary RPM is in /usr/src/linux-2.4.2/arch/i386/defconfig. Copy that to /usr/src/linux/.config then run ``make oldconfig''. If you really want to see how Caldera builds the kernel, grab the SRPMS for it from their ftp site, then do an ``rpm -i xxx'' and ``rpm -bp /usr/src/OpenLinux/SPECS/linux.spec'' which will put the buildable source tree under /usr/src/OpenLinux/BUILD. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ It is practically impossible to teach good programming style to students that have had prior exposure to BASIC: as potential programmers they are mentally mutilated beyond hope of regeneration. -- Dijkstra ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: copying over 50000 files in a directory?
On Thu, Dec 27, 2001 at 10:20:59AM -0500, David A. Bandel wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2001 19:51:45 +0800
Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed into the bitstream:
1. is it possible to have 5 files in a directory?
2. how to copy it given the limit of the cp command?
I'd use the find command:
find . -exec cp {} dest \;
Actually ``find . | cpio -pdumv destdir'' is usually much more efficient as
it doesn't exec a cp command for each file, and it preserves the ownership,
timestamps, etc. of the original file.
On the other hand, 50,000 files in a single directory is probably a Very
Bad Idea(tm). At one time Unix file searches were quadratic WRT the number
of entries in the directory. I think this has improved with more recent
file systems, but I would avoid it in any case.
Bill
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Re: Printer Recommendations
On Mon, Dec 17, 2001 at 10:14:08AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... My sole gripe with the x53 is that the downloadable driver for it from Lexmark requires GTK and GDK libraries: It went in with few problems on a Caldera eDesktop 2.4 system. I did have to make a symlink for the Mosaic libXm, and run ``checkpc\ -f'' to get the permissions correct for it to print. $ ldd libvdk.so.1.2.5 libvdk.so.1.2.5: libgtk-1.2.so.0 = not found libgdk-1.2.so.0 = not found libgmodule-1.2.so.0 = not found libglib-1.2.so.0 = not found I didn't have any library dependency problems on my eDesktop system, but I'm running update gtk and gimp-1.2.1-31. I just compiled gimp-print-4.2.0 which directly supports the Lexmark printers which seems to give considerably better print quality. I haven't built this into the updated gimp rpm yet, but just did a ``make install'' after building. To summarize what I did to get this working on Caldera eDesktop 2.4. #!/bin/sh ln -s /usr/LessTif/Motif1.2/lib/libXm.so.1.0.2 /usr/lib/libXm.so.2 checkpc -f exit 0 Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ The cry has been that when war is declared, all opposition should therefore be hushed. A sentiment more unworthy of a free country could hardly be propagated. If the doctrine be admitted, rulers have only to declare war and they are screened at once from scrutiny ... In war, then, as in peace, assert the freedom of speech and of the press. Cling to this as the bulwark of all our rights and privileges. -- William Ellery Channing ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Printer Recommendations
On Mon, Dec 17, 2001 at 08:22:56AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I opted for a Lexmark color injet (the z53). I have never been satisfied with my Stylus Color 600's rendering of reds, which was one of the reasons I chose the Lexmark. When I'm a bit more flush, I will also buy one of the Lexmark laser printers (the PostScript variety) because most of my printing is text and I need speed and PostScript compatibility. Lexmark also supports Linux with drivers (yes, I know the inkjet drivers are binary only -- BFD); combine support with price and features, and Lexmark won hands down over Epson. I'm glad to hear that because I've been looking at color printers for quite a while, primarily to use from the gimp. I really want to use the Lexmark because we've had excellent results with their laser printers, and their support has been good as well. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.'' Robert Heinlein ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: whois (cont)
On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 09:53:28PM +0800, Chang wrote: Continuing my game with whois servers. I isntalled the proxy.pl at port 43 from www.geektools.com. But I hit a problem: $ whois 203.81.0.1 -h localhost The GeekTools Whois Proxy has encountered an error: Unable to connect to whois.apnic.net. Exiting. I didn't have similar problem using geektools' win32 client (but not via the whois server), though. puzzling.. aren't the linux vresion exactly the same as the win32 version? Timing is most likely the problem. The apnic server often is busy (and when it responds not always useful) Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Few skills are so well rewarded as the ability to convince parasites that they are victims. -- Thomas Sowell ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: excite@home going down?
I just got back from a friend's where I set up a Caldera OpenLinux 3.1 workstation system on ATT@home several months ago (a case of ``friends don't let friends use Windows'' :-). It was a piece of cake to make the transition. I reconfigured the NIC from the static IP address to dhcp, and it Just Worked(tm). The ATT dhcp implementation appears to be standard, and doesn't require the ``-h hostname'' I've seen referenced for Linux configuration on some cable networks. The IP address assigned doesn't have proper reverse DNS yet, and I'm not sure whether it will change if her machine's restarted. Other than that, I just changed the DNS for her domain to point to the new IP address, and her e-mail backlog caught up immediately. We are using the ``obsolete'' uucp protocol over TCP to send and receive e- mail from her system where one of our machines here is the primary MX forwarder for her domain. I did test to see if ATT is blocking port 25 in or out, and it's not -- yet. FWIW, ATT sent out a notice with the basic information for unsupported operating systems. This said to use dhcp, and gave the IP addresses for e- mail and news servers. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ What's this script do? unzip ; touch ; finger ; mount ; gasp ; yes ; umount ; sleep Hint for the answer: not everything is computer-oriented. Sometimes you're in a sleeping bag, camping out. (Contributed by Frans van der Zande.) ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: @Home cutoff starting already?
On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 03:56:19PM -0500, Tim Wunder wrote: Can't seem to access my @home POP mailserver, mail storage services unavailable. I still have access to my PC via the internet and SSH, though, so my access hasn't disappeared yet. Just mail, apparently. I turned off the mail forwarding @ inode.com so at least I'll be able to retreive my mail as long as access stays up. Maybe it's just the standard @home mailserver issues and is unrelated to the hullabaloo between ATT and Excite@home. Then again, maybe not... Nope. It appears that the @home e-mail system's going away (it didn't work all that well in any case :-). The customer I just reconfigured had a notice with a new ATT mailbox. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ When the customer has beaten upon you long enough, give him what he asks for, instead of what he needs. This is very strong medicine, and is normally only required once. -- The Consultant's Curse: ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Linksys Wireless Troubles
On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 04:17:31PM -0800, Vern W Heesch wrote: ... I'm ready to give up and reload windows on my laptop because I am getting nowhere on this. I have spent about 12 hours trying everything I could think of. I loaded pcmcia-cs-3.1.30 and also linux-wlan-ng-0.1.10 and still cannot get it to work. I even went as far as doing a complete reload of OpenLinux3.1. No matter what I do or try, the driver simply won't load. I still get the beep boop thing instead of the beep beep. I realize that I don't know that much about the workings of linux but this is rediculous to spend this much time and effort to get nowhere. What is in the /var/log/messages file when you insert the card? Remove the card, wait a few seconds, reinsert it, wait a few seconds more, then look at /var/log/messages. It will tell you what's going on, and most likely you will see that it's not finding an identification string that it recognizes from the card. Often this is something as simple as the last character of the ID string (e.g. 3c905a vs 3c905b). I have gotten some NICs to work when this occurred by editing the /etc/pcmcia/config file. Find a similar entry, copy it, then change the ID string to be the same as that found in the /var/log/messages file. There's also a file, wireless.opts, in that same directory that may have an affect on wireless, but I've never played with any of these so can't say anything halfway intelligent about it. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Everybody is ignorant, only on different subjects.'' Will Rogers ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: @Home cutoff starting already?
On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 08:07:56PM -0500, Tim Wunder wrote: Previously, Bill Campbell chose to write: Nope. It appears that the @home e-mail system's going away (it didn't work all that well in any case :-). The customer I just reconfigured had a notice with a new ATT mailbox. Not from what I've heard/read, at least with Comcast (who's my cable provider). But if you're right, that could only be a good thing. I've had particularly vexing problems with @Home's mail service. This particular problem turned out to be simply another in a long list of periodic mail outages... It's entirely possible that most of the changes will be to the @home customers serviced by ATT (see today's www.userfriendly.org strip -- and serviced may be the type people growing up on farms know :-). The things I've read recently lead me to believe that ATT has been attempting to buy the @home assets at a very low price, but then if nobody else is in the bidding that's OK by me. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``...I'm not one of those who think Bill Gates is the devil. I simply suspect that if Microsoft ever met up with the devil, it wouldn't need an interpreter.'' -- Nick Petreley ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: excite@home going down?
On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 07:35:50AM -0500, Kurt Wall wrote: ... Register your domain name with a domain name registrar. Mail that can't be delivered to you right away gets queued for later delivery. When your upstream provider goes away, you point DNS at a new provider and, presto, your mail gets delivered. To make this reliable one must have at least one backup MX (Mail eXchange) forwarder that will accept mail when your main server isn't reachable. Furthermore your broadband provider must allow incoming and outgoing SMTP traffic to your site. I know that @home here in the Seattle area blocks outgoing port 25 so if one runs the mail server it must use the provider's mail server as a smart host. Some of the providers have their mail servers configured to refuse to accept mail with From: or Reply-To: addresses that aren't in their domains (haven't the spamming thieves made life wonderful :-). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ The only logical reason to take guns away from responsible people is to give irresponsible people an edge in the perpetration of their crimes against us. -- The Idaho Observer, Vol. 1, No. 2 February 1997 ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: html editor (was Opera 6 available)
On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 08:03:00AM -0500, Kurt Wall wrote: Declan Moriarty wrote: % % If you need a wysiwyg editor, you're like me - not an expert. There will be % Unix heads who chew matchsticks and do all this in emacs with a quiet % contempt for such editors. Get the book, or print the manual; Years ago I got We could always start an emacs versus vi war. ;-) Just to keep things interesting around here. And that logically restarts the GNU/info vs rest-of-the-world war/man. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``We maintain that the very foundation of our way of life is what we call free enterprise,'' said Cash McCall, ``but when one of our citizens show enough free enterprise to pile up a little of that profit, we do our best to make him feel that he ought to be ashamed of himself.'' -- Cameron Hawley ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: excite@home going down?
On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 10:41:47PM -0500, Joel Hammer wrote: It is hard to believe that they wouldn't want to maintain service without interruption. After all, we are already installed, and shell out $$ every month for the service. We should be a cash cow for somebody. This is certainly disgusting, but, that is the capitalist system. However, to avoid my email address getting whacked, for $35 dollars a year I have my own domain name (HammersHome.com), which won't change even if @HOME goes away. I think that is a good investment. When I installed a Linux system for one of my wife's friends a couple of months ago I had already set up a domain for her. The guy installing the system for ATT said we were smart not to use their mail system. She's never accessed her mail account so I imagine it's full of spam. All her mail goes through our servers via uucp over tcp so she never touches the @home mail system. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``When dealing with any spammer, one must always keep in mind that you are dealing with someone who makes their living through forgery, fraud, theft, subterfuge and obfuscation. Stated simply, spammers lie.'' David Ritz [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SPAM Denial
On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 04:48:50PM -0500, Matthew Carpenter wrote: I'm looking for a little help turning on blackholing on my email server (running sendmail). It looks like the m4 files are there for it, but I am looking for someone who has implemented it on eS or COL S3.1. I am running both. I'm planning to implement blacklisting as well as procmail to ditch any additional SPAM or junk mail which are legit but unwanted. Can't say about sendmail as we're running smail-3.2 with tcp_wrappers and RBL support. Postfix appears to have good support as well. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Government is actually the worst failure of civilized man. There has never been a really good one, and even those that are most tolerable are arbitrary, cruel, grasping and unintelligent. -- H. L. Mencken ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Web Server Working?
On Thu, Nov 22, 2001 at 02:48:23PM -0500, Kurt Wall wrote: ... Could my provider be blocking port 80? Easily. Many responsible providers started blocking port 80 in response to Code Red and Nimbda since clueless windows users (but then I repeat myself) were running vulnerable web servers, often without knowing the servers were running. When I looked at my apache logs for Code Red/Nimbda attempts, I was amazed at the percentage that were cable or DSL sites in the U.S., given that Code Red was NT/w2k specific and didn't attack the older Windows viruses. I didn't think there were that many NT/w2k systems in this type of installation. If your contract doesn't forbid you to run any kind of server, and you can find somebody with a clue at your ISP, then you should probably be able to get them to unblock your system. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ With Congress, every time they make a joke it's a law; and every time they make a law it's a joke. -- Will Rogers ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Reading material..
On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 09:01:32AM -0600, John Hiemenz wrote: Just noting a (unusually high) number of linux articles in the latest Computerworld. http://www.computerworld.com/itresources/rcheadlines I generally agree with the articles Nicholas Petreley writes, but this week he makes exceptional sense. Are you talking about the article on Microsoft DLL problems? What's surprising about that? IBM was an early adopter of creating needlessly complex software to lock people into their main frames. When people figured out bisync -- bad enough in its own right, they introduced SNA to make it even more difficult for outside vendors to communicate with IBM gear. Microsoft has just carried this a bit further. Even IBM didn't use different calling parameters and return codes for the same system calls depending on the software release and patch level. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``The children who know how to think for themselves spoil the harmony of the collective society that is coming, where everyone would be interdependent.'' 1899 John Dewey, educational philosopher, proponent of modern public schools. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: backup software recommendations?
On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 08:44:31AM -0600, John Hiemenz wrote: ... I've been using BackupEDGE from Microlite for years on SCO OpenServer and now use it as well on my linux boxen. No fancy guis or anything, but it does the job well for me. You beat me to it. BackupEdge probably has the best recovery ability under Linux and OpenServer around. It's easy to go from cold iron to a fully partitioned system reloading from backups in a minute or two with edge. The current version also support DVD-RAM which allows almost instantaneous recovery of any file on the backup media. The DVD-RAM cartridges hold 4.7gb uncompressed, are rated at 100,000 writes by the lawyers (engineers say it's a lot higher than that), and cost less than Travan tapes. SCSI DVD-RAM drives can be had for about $350.00, and ATAPI units are a bit less than that (I had a bit of a problem with ATAPI last week on a Caldera eDesktop 2.4 system, and the support people at Microlite were very helpful to diagnose the problem, and update the edge.tape program to fix it). We're building most of our new systems with the DVD-RAM drives instead of a CDROM and SCSI tape drive, and installing BackupEdge. The total cost for the DVD-RAM and Edge is comparable to a DDS-3 SCSI drive. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Guns are no more responsible for killing people than the spoon is responsible for making Rosie O'Donnell fat.'' ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: backup software recommendations?
On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 01:06:33PM -0500, Douglas J Hunley wrote: John Hiemenz babbled on about: I've been using BackupEDGE from Microlite for years on SCO OpenServer and now use it as well on my linux boxen. No fancy guis or anything, but it does the job well for me. got a link? is their a trial version? thanks http://www.microlite.com They have 60 day demo versions on-line. The demos have all the capabilities of the paid-for versions, and will always restore a backup even if the demo has expired. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``It's time to feed the hogs'' -- Unintended Consequences ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Cable Net Access
On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 05:48:10PM -0500, Kurt Wall wrote: Okay, so now I have cable access -- it's a beautiful thing after dial-up purgatory -- with a static IP. Theoretically, even though it isn't permitted, I can run server services. The installer set up one of my Windows boxes and gave it this truly byzantine hostname but it seems to me that I should be able to assign that static IP to a Linux box and then update DNS through my domain registrar. That is, I'm proposing using my own host name and their IP address. Can I do that? You may want to do it as a CNAME to avoid reverse lookup mismatches. Some of the cable providers are blocking port 80 and port 25 to their customer's machines, largely in response to Code Red, and to avoid problems with customer's misconfigured MTAs being used for spam relays. I set up a friend's OpenLinux 3.1 Workstation system on ATT (@HOME) cable a month or so ago, and found that port 25 was definately blocked here in Washington. I just route mail to and from her domain through one of our servers using uucp over TCP to get it in and out of her system. BTW: She's a 60+ psychologist, and I weaned her from Windows with this system. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 http://www.celestial.com/ I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forego their use. -- Galileo Galilei ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Using Linux w/ Dell PowerEdge 500SC
On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 01:16:09PM -0600, Ian Marchak wrote: Hi All, A recent addition to the office, a Dell PowerEdge 500SC is slotted to be used as a file server for a group of engineers moving in w/ us. The machine came to us w/out an OS and I am considering (strongly) implimenting Linux, as this machine will never be part of the corporate network so it doesn't have to be a corp spec box. Dell themselves have tested RH 7.1 w/ this hardware and have included a few errata regarding this, nothing serious, how to enable the Travan drive, how to enable DMA100, no problems, maninly tuning tips. Travan drives have a nasty habit of failing after about a year of daily backups. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ A fake fortuneteller can be tolerated. But an authentic soothsayer should be shot on sight. Cassandra did not get half the kicking around she deserved. -- R.A. Heinlein ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: 19 Rack Mounting Fasteners
On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 07:12:12PM -0500, Ian wrote: Bill Campbell wrote: ... How long is a rope? Depends on where you cut it. ;) Some racks that are commonly used in the telco industry use an odd size screw, number 12 if I remember correctly, that typically isn't available at the local hardware store. Last time I needed these, I got a bunch at Graybar. These are typically the aluminum standing post racks with pre- threaded holes. I am used to dealing with avionics racks with nicely documented standard fastener and hole sizes, instead of just a hole. Just spoiled I guess. The ones that just have a round hole are usually designed to use fasteners that have a captive nut and clip arrangement that slides onto the side rails (and up and down as you're trying to insert heavy equipment :-). The better computer racks have square holes with snap-in captive nuts, spaced for 1U minimum panels. I've plenty of metal screws and taps, I'll just make 'em whatever size I need. Yeah. I have a rack like that that I bought on the cheap with lots of tapped holes. It's a real PITA to use, and I just passed up a 20U rack on wheels at RE*PC today because it used the same mounting brackets. The telco rack rails with number 12 screws are OK because the screws are large enough, coarse thread, and have an unthreaded guide area at the end to make it fairly easy to get them started. The smaller machine screws can be a plain bitch to get started while trying to get a heavy chassis lined up properly. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Things in our country run in spite of government. Not by aid of it!'' Will Rogers ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: 19 Rack Mounting Fasteners
On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 01:31:29PM -0500, Ian wrote: Hi all, simple question I hope... We are in the process of integrating a group of engineers who were on-site with a customer into our office. I need to install some of the equipment they've brought with them into our server racks and I need fasteners to do this. I forgot to bring a sample with me, and although I can find nuts and bolts that will do the job, I'd like to get the correct size fasteners and I've no idea what size the bolts normally used are...anyone out there do this on a regular basis and remember what the size is? How long is a rope? Some racks that are commonly used in the telco industry use an odd size screw, number 12 if I remember correctly, that typically isn't available at the local hardware store. Last time I needed these, I got a bunch at Graybar. These are typically the aluminum standing post racks with pre- threaded holes. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Few skills are so well rewarded as the ability to convince parasites that they are victims. -- Thomas Sowell ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Caldera Workstion 3.1's sshd
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 09:44:14PM +0800, Toylet [sleepy] wrote: ok.it's really using hosts.allow, but not /etc/inet.d ... strange... Programs can run as daemons, still using tcp_wrappers by compiling them with the tcp_wrappers support. We do this with smail-3.2 and ssh. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.'' -Thomas Jefferson ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Indianapolis ISPs
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 11:08:51AM -0600, Kurt Wall wrote: List, If anyone here lives in the Indianapolis (Indiana, USoA) area, can you recommend ISPs to use, to avoid, and, in either case, explain why? I am relocating there in mid-November and would appreciate your input. If you're a local call to Knightstown, you might try one of our customers, http://www.knightstown.net. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Liberals love to say things like, 'We're just asking everyone to pay their fair share.' But government is not about asking. It is about telling. The difference is fundamental. It is the difference between making love and being raped, between working for a living and being a slave.'' Dr. Thomas Sowell, Forbes, July 1994 ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: kernel bonk
On Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 11:28:16PM -0700, Tony Alfrey wrote: ... It blew up. I built the drivers into the kernel instead. That works. I'll need to study the mkinitrd script simply to know how it works. Thanks!! The mkinitrd script in the Caldera modutils RPM has been broken since the 2.2 betas. It fails if any of the directories in /etc/modules contain whitespace (many do). I submitted patches to fix this at least two years ago, but they've never been applied. This can be fixed easily by editing /usr/libexec/modules/mkinitrd.sh adding double quotes around each instance of $latest: latest=`ls -art /etc/modules/*/*rootfs 2/dev/null | tail -1` if [ -n $latest -a -s /$latest ]; then ... Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Never chastise a Windows user...just smile at them kindly as you would a disadvantaged child.'' WBM ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: pointers for an SCO question
On Sat, Sep 29, 2001 at 01:20:45PM -0700, Keith Morse wrote: Besides to hell do any of the list members have any recommendations for helping to resolve SCO questions? I'm working with an church that have moved from a SCO openserver 5.0 that provided dumb terminal access for Word Perfect to a windows based network. The box itself is relatively new and appears to have a 3com nic in it, but the scoadmin refuses to configure it. Any references, pointers, answers would be greatly appreciated. You have to be a bit more specific than that. What's the output of the ``uname -X'' command? This will give the full version number. The current version is 3.2v5.0.6. The program to configure NICs is ``netconfig''. OpenServer is fairly picky about what it will support. I've found that it pays to stick to things like the later 3C509 ISA cards with Plug-n-Pray turned off (early versions of the firmware on these wouldn't stay turned off). Some of the SMC 10/100 PCI cards cards work well as do older SMC/Western Digital 3000 series. ISA NE2000 clones can be a problem, and netconfig won't let you set them at any of the higher IRQs. I spent a good part of an afternoon recently going through my parts shelves before I found a NIC that would work properly with 3.2v5.0.5, finally getting it to work with the 3c509. Unless you really want to run OpenServer, I would suggest loading Linux on the box. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ The pinnacle of open systems is: when moving from vendor to vendor, the design flaws stay the same. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: M'soft CD topartners about Competing with Linux
On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 08:40:36AM +0200, Zoki wrote: http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-08-23-014-20-NW-MS An excerpt from the CD: Reliability Linux is being used for simple tasks such as file/print and static web page serving. Microsoft customers are using Windows NT Server for demanding, high performance, mission critical applications such as messaging, data warehousing, decision support and e-commerce. Less heavily loaded systems with less complex software suites have high reliability. Demanding as in running Code Red, Nimba, etc.? Reliability as in heavily loaded Linux servers whose uptimes are generally limited by the power company or equipment moves? Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ When only cops have guns, it's called a ``police state''. -- Claire Wolfe, 101 Things To Do Until The Revolution ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Windows XP
On Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 10:59:13AM -0400, Joel Hammer wrote: Is Windows XP a *real* operating system yet, or is it another GUI shell running on top of MS-DOS v X.x??? XP got rave reviews in both the WSJ and the NYTimes. They claimed it was very stable, ran for weeks without rebooting, etc. It IS a resource hog. The WSJ article I saw wasn't exactly a rave. While it did say that XP is much more stable than previous versions of Windows (that would be easy), it did say that it was a ``Trojan Horse'' designed to lead you to other Microsoft services. There was a separate article to tell how to minimize this, but basically you can't get away from it. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ When only cops have guns, it's called a ``police state''. -- Claire Wolfe, 101 Things To Do Until The Revolution ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] class-action fun
On Sat, Sep 22, 2001 at 11:03:59AM -0400, Joel Hammer wrote: On Sat, Sep 22, 2001 at 09:19:30AM -0500, Rick Sivernell wrote: Talking with my son last night, he swears that there is no other OS that can do what M$ or XP can do. Finally after our conversation is about over and I (quoted text reformatted to fit 80 characters). The best thing with windows users is benign neglect. Let Bill Gates solve their problems for them. In my house, I just don't support windows anymore. I don't (re)install and I don't troubleshoot the other members PC's, unless the problem involves the linux run network. One has finally shifted to linux for her on line activities (windows just stopped working). Another had to use linux since windows finally just refused to reinstall on his computer. Another would dump windows if not for AOL mail services. If any of your household got the new worm with IE, don't clean it up for them. It makes your life a lot easier. BTW, XP sounds like MS's first adventure into a good desktop OS, but, who knows. If I tell my wife I won't fix her Windows box life gets pretty nasty around here (probably because of all my bitching, swearing, and general frustration when I have to fight this idiocy). Even if XP is more secure, etc. the new M$ licensing policies should go a long way towards getting people off Windows. Do they really want to have to pay yearly renewal fees or they can't run their existing systems? I have friends who get everything done they need on WfWG 3.1 or even WordPerfect for DOS, and don't want to pay a yearly Microsoft Tax. Do you want to have to call Microsoft Registration to get keys while reinstalling Windows at 2am on a weekend? Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ A paranoid is a man who knows a little of what's going on. -- William S. Burroughs ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] class-action fun
On Fri, Sep 21, 2001 at 04:44:42PM -0400, Douglas J. Hunley wrote: ... Sue Microsoft for negligence. But they issued patches for these exploits, you say. Yes, but they kept selling freshly pressed OS CD's that were still defective. I.e., they refused to recall and re-press product that they acknowledged (presumably this is where the lawyer would argue about reasonable consumers or some such) through patches and advisories was defective. An excellent example to show that responsible vendors will pull a CD from circulation and replace it when a major security flaw is found was a release of SCO OpenServer several years ago. I was in the beta program for this release, and when I got my FCS (First Customer Ship) CDs I installed them on a local system. My first security checks showed a minor problem, ``/`, and all the system directories had 777 permissions (the default for Win9x)! I immediately sent an e-mail to several of the top people at SCO including Doug Michels, and they IMMEDIATELY recalled all the media kits they had shipped delaying the release several weeks. ... - one guy has 55,000 logged Nimda hits on one of his colo'd servers, and I believe that's unique combined hits (i.e., at ~16 requests per hit), easy enough to verify). That's easy to believe. Our router (a Linux box) was logging attempts to connect to unused subnets in the two class Cs we have here. I had to turn off logging these rejections in ipchains because our logs were growing 3.5MB about every fifteen minutes! Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Intaxication: Euphoria at getting a refund from the IRS, which lasts until you realize it was your money to start with. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: fighting the worm (enough of this already)
On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 01:43:01PM -0400, Joel Hammer wrote: Let's take a vote. Does anyone think that current users of windows products (server or browser) will switch because of this latest worm? I vote no, because if they didn't switch after the last worm, they don't have the brains or time to make a switch. It isn't a matter of brains in most cases, but pure ignorance. There's also the matter of job security for the industry that's grown up to put bandaids on the Microsoft plague It might be time to think whether or not Microsoft has become a security risk to the country. This is a question? Windows is a threat to any data accessible to the machine. It costs billions every year in time lost waiting for reboots, and recovering data trashed by Windows and the brain-dead Microsoft applications. Check out the paragraph ``Covert use of Windows Machines'' in an article that I wrote back when the I Love You worm hit: http://www.celestial.com/iloveyou/ This was written a couple of years ago. Since then, Microsoft's own servers have been hit for Windows source code (could that be instrumental in perfecting the latest attacks), their servers have been hit by Code Red, and many U.S. Government sites hit as well. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Scientists are explorers. Philosophers are tourists.'' -- Richard Feynman ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I am afraid...
On Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 08:14:15PM -0400, Joel Hammer wrote: People almost invariably choose personal security over freedom. Any rational person would. Speak for yourself. I prefer ``Live Free or Die''. The Brazilians understand: http://www.sierratimes.com/archive/files/sep/17/arbz091701.htm Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ The day-to-day travails of the IBM programmer are so amusing to most of us who are fortunate enough never to have been one -- like watching Charlie Chaplin trying to cook a shoe. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: more of the damn kiddies
On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 11:23:41AM -0700, Vern W Heesch wrote: Excuse my ignorance, but is this any threat to Linux and Apache? It's main danger is that it can fill up your disk with log entries. I turned off the packet logging on our Linux router because our syslog grew 3.5mb in less than a half-hour with packets rejected with destination addresses to unused subnets in one of our class Cs. On Tuesday 18 September 2001 10:51 am, you wrote: See my post on 'new virus On Tuesday 18 September 2001 11:15, Sys Admin wrote: I'm seeing a lot of HTTP requests for: /MSADC/root.exe /scripts/root.exe anyone know what exploit the kiddies are looking for? Thanks! -- Douglas J. Hunley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Linux User #174778 Admin: http://hunley.homeip.net/ Admin: http://linux.nf/ Brainbench Linux Administration Certified ~~ Now offering Linux admin services for the home user ~~ DOS: n., A small annoying boot virus that causes random spontaneous system crashes, usually just before saving a massive project. Easily cured by UNIX. See also MS-DOS, IBM-DOS, DR-DOS. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``We'll show the world we are prosperous, even if we have to go broke to do it.'' Will Rogers ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I am afraid...
On Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 05:03:09PM -0400, Joel Hammer wrote: I am afraid of heights (I would hate to have to jump more than 10 stories) and now airplanes, whether in one or watching them fly overhead. People almost invariably choose personal security over freedom. Any rational person would. Speak for yourself. I prefer ``Live Free or Die''. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!'' -- Emiliano Zapata. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Am immodest proposal (forgive me, Mr. Swift)
On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 11:19:38AM -0400, Joel Hammer wrote: ... Got a mosque in your area? You may well have a terrorist cell. Mosques are used to raise money for these guys. How many churches in Boston raise money for the IRA? Didn't Hillary recommend clemency for Palestinian terrorists? Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ The day-to-day travails of the IBM programmer are so amusing to most of us who are fortunate enough never to have been one -- like watching Charlie Chaplin trying to cook a shoe. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Am immodest proposal (forgive me, Mr. Swift)
a billion soldiers. If the west wreaks a holocaust in those lands, that's a billion people with nothing left to lose, that's even better from Bin Laden's point of view. He's probably wrong, in the end the West would win, whatever that would mean, but the war would last for years and millions would die, not just theirs but ours. Who has the belly for that? Unfortunately, Bin Laden does. Anyone else? In Peace, Tamim Ansary Charles Riggs - Gunsite 1991 - DVC! Fight Crime - Be armed - Fight back! President, KC3 - GOA - NRA * A parable for our times: http://www.kc3.org/sheep.htm * Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``It will be of little avail to the people that the laws are made by men of their own choice if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood.'' -James Madison, Federalist Paper #62 ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: web site won't work
On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 05:43:51PM -0500, Alan Jackson wrote: On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 17:13:26 -0400 Tim Wunder wrote: Anyone care to recommend a web design tool for the neophite? I've written literally thousands of webpages over the past 9 years (yes, ever since the beginning), and all I ever use is vim and sometimes the editor in Netscape. But then I've coded many thousands of lines of code, and never used a tool for that either, except for a text editor. Not using the fancy tools helps enforce the KISS principle as a discipline. Check out http://www.fourmilab.ch/webtools/demoroniser/ ``Correct Moronic Microsoft HTML''. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``When dealing with any spammer, one must always keep in mind that you are dealing with someone who makes their living through forgery, fraud, theft, subterfuge and obfuscation. Stated simply, spammers lie.'' David Ritz [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: NYC A Close Call
On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 05:56:32PM -0500, Rick Sivernell wrote: My wife was talking to her mother, as is always on the weekend, my mother in law told my wife that my brother in laws son who has recent a college grad in computers, was scheduled to take the flight from Boston Tuesday morning that crashed in Pennsyvania, I know I misssed spelled the state. He oversleep and missed his flight. In this one case not being responsible kept him alive. But I would not want to count on it the rest of my life. We are certainly glad he is safe. I just missed being a hostage when the Hanafi Muslims took over the D.C B'nai B'rith and a D.C. government building back in the '70s. I was scheduled for a job interview there about a half-hour before they were attacked, but had to reschedule the previous afternoon because of a conflict. When I did the interview about a week later, the person doing the interview was still in bandages from wounds he got during the takeover. Too bad I didn't get the job. They had some pretty interesting Burroughs main frames, and I would have gotten all the Jewish holidays as well as all the usual ones... Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ A man full of faith is simply one who has lost (or never had) the capacity for clear and realistic thought. He is not a mere ass; he is actually ill. Worse, he is incurable. H.L. Mencken ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC: Not more guns
On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 12:15:24PM -0700, Shawn Tayler wrote: ... An armed person is a citizen, an unarmed person is a subject. I prefer to be a citizen. Two wolves and a lamb voting on lunch is a Democracy. Liberty is a well- armed lamb protecting the rights of the minority. (note the quote below was random, not selected to be appropriate to this post -- although I do select the pool of available quotes :-). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.'' -- Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-188 ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
to terrorism by invoking authoritarian methods, it damages itself. But even worse, if free societies in their anxiety to avoid authoritarian excesses, FAIL to arm themselves against the terrorist threat, then the terrorists triumph. The seventh and deadliest sin is that terrorism can sap the will of a civilized society to defend itself. We have seen it happen. We find governments negotiating with terrorists . . . to concede to their demands. We find governments providing ransom money . . . releasing convicted criminals in response to demands . . . conceding them the status of political prisoners. . .. We find newspapers and TV networks placing democratic governments and the terrorists on a level of moral equality. We find governments failing time and again, in their duty to persuade the public that terrorists are not misguided politicians. They are criminals. They are extraordinary criminals, indeed, in that they pose a threat not merely to the individuals they murder without compunction, but to the whole fabric of society. In short, the seventh and deadliest sin of terrorism is its attempt to induce civilization to commit suicide. end of article -- Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``It's time to feed the hogs'' -- Unintended Consequences ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 11:04:53AM -0500, Stuart Biggerstaff wrote: Apparently you never can be too intolerant... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28620-2001Sep14.html This just another case of the Witch Doctor's lining their pockets by appealing to the fears and prejudices of the ignorant. They've even kept the Atillas of the world under their power this way. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.'' --George Orwell ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 09:30:51PM -0400, Bruce Marshall wrote: .. Exactly. One of the things we *must* give up is the thought that we must be liked by the world. As long as what we do is correct and proper, let the world think what it wants. Machiavelli pointed out that you last a lot longer of the people in a position to harm you fear you than if they love you. Fear is often a stronger motivation than greed. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Government spending? I don't know what it's all about. I don't know any more about this thing than an economist does, and, God knows, he doesn't know much. -- Will Rogers ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: scripting/sed help
On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 04:55:53PM -0400, Douglas J. Hunley wrote: I'm trying to write a script to remove parts of a file and am having difficulty. The code looks like: #!/bin/sh for i in zh fr de it ja ko pt es do for j in `find . -newer .babel -name '*.html' -print` do cat $j.$i | sed 's/http\:\/\/babelfish\.altavista\.com\/urltrurl?lp=en_$i\url=//g' $j.$i.tmp mv $j.$i.tmp $j.$i done done you can see that within the 'sed' I want to use $i... I can't figure out a way to do this. Anyone? You need to use double quotes around the variables you need to expand. Something like this: sed 's/xxx'$i'/yyy'$j'/' Be very careful matching the single quotes (perl is a lot easier for this type of thing). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ DOS: n., A small annoying boot virus that causes random spontaneous system crashes, usually just before saving a massive project. Easily cured by UNIX. See also MS-DOS, IBM-DOS, DR-DOS. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Speak Freely voice over IP
Can we talk a bit of Linux here? Has anybody on the list used Speak Freely? It seems to offer some very interesting capabilities including fully encrypted and compressed voice over IP. I stumbled across http://www.fourmilab.ch/speakfree/unix/ while looking for the demoroniser software, http://www.fourmilab.ch/webtools/demoroniser/, a neat program to clean up Micsoft's brain-dead web documents. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``No matter how much I may exaggerate it, it must have a certain amount of truth...Now rumor travels fast but it don't stay put as long as truth'' Will Rogers ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: VOip?
On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 11:27:14AM -0400, Jerry McBride wrote: Say group, Has anyone here implemented voice over ip? I've been asked to look into it and from what I can tell it's a badwidth killer. I just ran across this today while looking for the demoroniser script that cleans up Micro$oft's stupid web pages. Right now I'm in the midst of getting things set up so I can try it: http://www.fourmilab.ch/speakfree/unix/ I just got a headset with Microphone so that now I can talk to the computer. Tomorrow I'll be doing some testing. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ It is necessary for the welfare of society that genius should be privileged to utter sedition, to blaspheme, to outrage good taste, to corrupt the youthful mind, and generally to scandalize one's uncles. -- George Bernard Shaw ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: wtc2.org?
On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 04:14:38PM -0400, Douglas J. Hunley wrote: Everyone has by now seen the Amazon and PayPal donations I'm sure what I want to know, who's willing to put together a contribution site for the rebuilding of the WTC? I know, skyscrapers are impractical. I know it will be years before the current mess is cleaned up... I know it would take like 10 years before the building would open... but wouldn't it be cool? Don't worry, there are plenty of spammers doing just this now. Attempting to scam people out of their money. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``It is our duty still to endeavor to avoid war; but if it shall actually take place, no matter by whom brought on, we must defend ourselves. If our house be on fire, without inquiring whether it was fired from within or without, we must try to extinguish it.'' -- Thomas Jefferson to James Lewis, Jr., 1798. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 12:42:45AM -0400, Bruce Marshall wrote: On Wednesday 12 September 2001 0:19 am, dep wrote: ah. in recent years i've flown out of HPN. danbury is just too weird, though the restaurant is very good. Weird is right... I can tell many a story of rainy nights circling that mother, or drilling down thru the 'hole' that always seemed to exist right over the airport. Remember all of the accidents there including the guy who tried to 'drill' a hole through the mountain on final approach to 26. Didn't work out too well. That sounds easy compared to my friend Skip who lands his restored Luscombe on the mountain next to Mount Mohawk up in the NW corner of Connecticut. The strip he flies out of makes the cow pasture I flew an Aronca Champ out of seem huge by comparison. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Government is actually the worst failure of civilized man. There has never been a really good one, and even those that are most tolerable are arbitrary, cruel, grasping and unintelligent. -- H. L. Mencken ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 01:27:49AM -0400, dep wrote: On Wednesday 12 September 2001 00:49, Bill Campbell wrote: | That sounds easy compared to my friend Skip who lands his restored | Luscombe on the mountain next to Mount Mohawk up in the NW corner | of Connecticut. The strip he flies out of makes the cow pasture I | flew an Aronca Champ out of seem huge by comparison. hell, bill, you can fly a champ on a string on a nice day! i remember some people in fort lauderdale, back when executive was chiefly an experimental airport, who landed a champ one day, pulled the limb out of the hole in the fuselage fabric, patched it with duct tape, and took off again. True enough. The only plane I can think of with a lower stall speed was the aircoupe. which is to say that if my sister ever gives hers up, i'll be first in line to get it. I always wanted a Citabria, but spent all my time and money racing Formula cars instead. If you want to see me in my bearded racing days, this shot was taken at the 4th of 1972 July Lime Rock SCCA Nationals: http://www.celestial.com/images/hawke_frieda_steve.jpg Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ The day-to-day travails of the IBM programmer are so amusing to most of us who are fortunate enough never to have been one -- like watching Charlie Chaplin trying to cook a shoe. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 01:31:56AM -0400, dep wrote: On Wednesday 12 September 2001 00:59, Bruce Marshall wrote: | Oh pshawBack when I was a cropduster (true) we all used to | fly over to the nearest dairy on boring afternoons to partake of a | sundae. Hardly big enuff field to get into let alone get out of... | no strip at all. an old girlfriend's father, a great pilot who now does computer crash reconstructions for a living, was a cropduster in georgia, and she used to talk about the lights in their house going out, and her mom saying, he must have hit another powerline. My uncle Brownie knocked power out to a large section of Danville Virginia flying under a bridge across the Dan River. He had already patched the burn holes in the fabric by the time the police got to the air field to see who had done it. Of course being a test pilot, he was probably a bit crazier than the average pilot. I got curious a couple of weeks ago, and did a search on him on google, finding that he was the did the first test flights of the Douglas Skyraider. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``The only freedom which deserves the name, is that of pursuing our own good in our own way, so long as we do not attempt to deprive others of theirs, or impede their efforts to obtain it.'' -- John Stuart Mill, 1859 ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Linux Ad
On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 05:59:29AM -0700, Shawn Tayler wrote: Absofrellinglutely That is the pattern That's been the pattern since the IBM 360 mainframes that required an army of systems programmers to keep them running (and another army to figure out the JCL). We were running Burroughs systems with MCP that required minimal support people, and were very efficient in terms of the hardware requirements. There's lots of job security in these arcane, inefficient, and buggy systems. Just look at the industry that's grown up to apply bandaids to DOS/Windows faults (Norton, McAfee, etc.). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Basic Definitions of Science: If it's green or wiggles, it's biology. If it stinks, it's chemistry. If it doesn't work, it's physics. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fw: Re: Help starting KDE2.2
On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 10:29:55PM -0600, Collins Richey wrote: ... My brain finally kicked in gear. I haven't run Caldera in a while. If you reinstall X, you can then run startx just like on a normal distro. It's a lot easier than that with Caldera 3.1. I posted details on how to do this about a week ago. The X server has to be setuid root, create a /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc file, copy /etc/X11/xinit/xintirc to $HOME/.xinitrc and tailor to suit. I'm attaching my xinitrc and xserverrc files again. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Intellectually, teachers fall between education theorists and bright cocker spaniels. (Probably closer to the education theorists. The AKC has been doing wonders with spaniels.) If you think I'm kidding look at the GREs for education majors, whose scores are the lowest of all fields, and remember that these are the smart ones.'' -- http://www.FredOnEverything.net #!/bin/sh # $XConsortium: xinitrc.cpp,v 1.4 91/08/22 11:41:34 rws Exp $ userresources=$HOME/.Xresources usermodmap=$HOME/.Xmodmap sysresources=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/.Xresources sysmodmap=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/.Xmodmap # merge in defaults and keymaps if [ -f $sysresources ]; then xrdb -merge $sysresources fi if [ -f $sysmodmap ]; then xmodmap $sysmodmap fi if [ -f $userresources ]; then xrdb -merge $userresources fi if [ -f $usermodmap ]; then xmodmap $usermodmap fi # start some nice programs # exec /usr/bin/startkde exec /usr/bin/startxfce twm xclock -geometry 50x50-1+1 xterm -geometry 80x50+494+51 xterm -geometry 80x20+494-0 exec xterm -geometry 80x66+0+0 -name login #!/bin/bash XAUTH=$HOME/.Xauthority MKCOOKIE=/usr/bin/mcookie touch $XAUTH for host in localhost $HOSTNAME $HOST; do xauth add $host/unix:0 . `$MKCOOKIE` xauth add $host:0 . `$MKCOOKIE` done xauth add :0.0 . `$MKCOOKIE` # exec Xwrapper -auth $XAUTH :0 exec X -auth $XAUTH :0
Re: NFS / network performance
On Sun, Sep 09, 2001 at 07:23:31AM -0500, Rick Sivernell wrote: ... 8 port hub at 10 mb I've seen huge improvements in performance replacing hubs with switches, particularly where there's a lot of NFS usage. The first time we did this was about four years ago in an office where they had about 8 diskless Linux workstations booting off an SCO OpenServer box on a 10BaseT network. Replacing the 10BaseT hub with a 10BaseT switch there fixed problems we had when booting the diskless workstations, and we're still running the same server unchanged. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Liberty don't work as good in practice as it does in speeches.'' Will Rogers ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Linux Ad
On Sat, Sep 08, 2001 at 05:34:59AM -0400, Jerry McBride wrote: ... I wonder what the price difference would be between on s390 and a warehouse full of pc's and windows... :') Or a bunch of Sun E-1000s (nee Starfire). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``We shouldn't elect a President; we should elect a magician.'' Will Rogers ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: German Linux site hackedotot
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 08:40:13AM -0600, Kurt Wall wrote: Mike Andrew wrote: On Wednesday 05 September 2001 07:44, Ronnie Gauthier wrote: Might be, like you said, where you grew up. But. there is a whole big world out there, where you didnt grow up. But everyone that knows sports knows what soccer is, ;-) even us yanks that know what football really is. Huh? You mean you watch Aussie Rules too? 50 million Americans are baffled by this game each week. And well we should be. Looks like a gang rape with a balloon, brazenly called a football, thrown in for good measure. And a guy in an ice-cream vendor's suit who gets to throw his arms up every time there's a goal. -- Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Nobody wants to be called common people, especially common people.'' Will Rogers ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: HP to buy Compaq?!?
On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 12:19:46PM -0400, Wil McGilvery wrote: Selling hardware is high maintenance and low margins. It's hard to make a living that way. Brand name boxes have a reputation of being harder to upgrade or add components to and they are more expensive. White boxes are less expensive and easier to upgrade. I've always found Compaq and HP to be a PITA to work with because lots of things are proprietary, require special drivers, and even use non-standard mounting hardware. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Lord, the money we do spend on Government and it's not one bit better than the government we got for one third the money twenty years ago.'' Will Rogers ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: The 'mv' command
On Sun, Sep 02, 2001 at 10:48:48PM -0400, Tim Wunder wrote: What does the 'mv' command actually do? I've always been under the impression that it simply renames the file/directory, but I get the feeling there's more to it than that. The ``mv'' command does different things depending on the arguments. ``mv file1 path_to/file2'' renames file1 as file2, but will actually move the file if the destination is on a different file system. ``mv file1 [file2 ...] directory'' moves the file(s) to the directory which may be on a different file system. This is very much more powerful than the DOS ``ren'' command that just renames files. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Instead of giving money to found colleges to promote learning, why don't they pass a constitutional amendment prohibiting anybody from learning anything? If it works as good as the Prohibition one did, why, in five years we would have the smartest race of people on earth. -- The Best of Will Rogers ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Modem suggestion
On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 11:15:18AM -0500, Jean Sagi wrote: Does anyone have a suggestion for a new linux modem for desktop use? What about an us-robotics? (I've been told there are a lot of winmodems of this mark) What about Haton? (I don't know how to write it, but is supposed to be good on linux). Personally I prefer the MultiTech external modems (I had a very bad experience with USR support years ago so avoid them like the plague). There's nothing Linux-specific about a modem other than it's not a winmodem. External modems should all be OS neutral, and I much prefer them because (a) I can reset them when the wedge without rebooting the machine, and (b) I can see what's going by looking at the blinking lights. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``It's time to feed the hogs'' -- Unintended Consequences ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Food for thought, OpenSource beyond Linux
This article raises some very interesting points: http://www.infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/01/08/27/010827opnoise.xml?0830tham Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Good luck to all you optimists out there who think Microsoft can deliver 35 million lines of quality code on which you can operate your business.'' -- John C. Dvorak ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Reiserfs vs NFS (problems?)
When I was at Caldera Forum in Santa Cruz last week, somebody mentioned that there are potential problems with reiserfs file systems if they're mounted via NFS on other systems. I would like to use some kind of file system that doesn't require lengthy fscks on large RAID arrays (hardware or software), but these large file systems are accessed almost exclusively via NFS. If the reiserfs isn't trustworthy in this application, what are the alternatives? Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Liberals love to say things like, 'We're just asking everyone to pay their fair share.' But government is not about asking. It is about telling. The difference is fundamental. It is the difference between making love and being raped, between working for a living and being a slave.'' Dr. Thomas Sowell, Forbes, July 1994 ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
